From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Fri Jul 1 15:22:57 2016 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. Labarre) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 09:22:57 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] 19th Annual Mock Trial Message-ID: <01d701d1d3ac$73a7fdc0$5af7f940$@labarrelaw.com> All rise! You are all cordially invited to the 19th Annual Mock Trial taking place here at the Convention this afternoon from 4:15 to 5:45 in Panzacola Ballroom G-1. Come hear the case of Bucksome and Bleader v. Bodacious Burgers Inc. and Good Feeling Medical Clinic Inc. At issue in this case is the way inaccessible health kiosks and inaccessible restaurant services ruin the lives of two fine blind people. Our Judge this afternoon will be the Federation's Immediate Past President, Dr. Marc Maurer. Admission is $5 and supports the National Association of Blind Lawyers. As usual, we think there will be lots of laughs while addressing serious discrimination issues that we as blind people face. Scott LaBarre, President NABL slabarre at labarrelaw.com From nabs.president at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 17:56:47 2016 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Sean Whalen) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 11:56:47 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Meeting Tonight! Come Out or Tune in! Message-ID: <006401d1d3c1$f02fac20$d08f0460$@gmail.com> Good afternoon, I am writing to invite everybody to take part in the NABS Annual Meeting tonight at 7:00pm, with registration opening at 6:00. The meeting is located in Panzacola Ballroom G-1. We have a number of informative and inspiring presentations lined up, and we would love to see many of you at the meeting. Check out the attached agenda (also pasted below) to see what will be covered tonight. If you are unable to attend but are interested in learning what NABS is up to, you can stream the meeting at the following link: http://kjscradio.com/classic/r adio.php. Big thanks to the folks at KJSC Radio for managing the streaming for us! Hope to see many of you tonight at the meeting! Take care, Sean Sean Whalen President, National Association of Blind Students (608) 957-7337 @nabslink www.nabslink.org National Association of Blind Students A Division of the National Federation of the Blind Annual Seminar and Business Meeting July 1, 2016 7:00 Welcome and Call to Order - Sean Whalen, President, National Association of Blind Students 7:05 A Message from Our President - Mark A. Riccobono, President, National Federation of the Blind 7:20 Reading is Fundamental: Accessible Sources of Reading Material - Representatives from NFB Newsline, Bookshare, and Learning Ally 7:30 Coming Full Circle: My Journey in NABS Leadership - Candice Chapman, 1st Vice President, National Association of Blind Students 7:40 PAC it Up - Scott LaBarre, Chair, PAC Committee 7:45 Students in the Cloud: Accessibility of Popular Web-Based Applications - Amy Mason, Access Technology Specialist, Jernigan Institute, National Federation of the Blind 8:00 Meet the Class of 2016 Part I - Patti Gregory-Chang, Chair, NFB Scholarship Committee 8:15 Casting Your Own Private Ballot This Fall - Charlie Brown, HAVA Program Manager, NFB Jernigan Institute 8:20 Leadership and Partnership: Building Stronger Student Divisions and State Affiliates through Collaboration - Panel of Affiliate and Student Leaders 8:40 Glimpsing Our Future through a Window to the Past: NABS Update - Sean Whalen, President, National Association of Blind Students 8:55 Meet the Class of 2016 Part II - Patti Gregory-Chang, Chair, NFB Scholarship Committee 9:05 Making Work Work: Gaining Respect and Perspective - Ryan Strunk, Lead Accessibility Consultant, Target Corporation 9:15 Laying Down the Law: NFB's Work to Ensure an Equal Education for Blind Students - Mehgan Sidhu, General Counsel, National Federation of the Blind 9:25 My Evolution in the Federation - Shannon Cantan, President, Hawaii Association of Blind Students 9:35 Announcements 9:50 Elections 10:30 Adjourn -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone From rloew at ETS.ORG Fri Jul 1 23:20:10 2016 From: rloew at ETS.ORG (Loew, Ruth C) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 23:20:10 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] ETS at Convention Message-ID: Hi -- I'm with ETS (Educational Testing Service), and as many of you know, I lurk on this list. I also attend Convention every year, and this year I'll be in Orlando through Monday. If you have questions about accommodations or practice materials for the GRE, TOEFL, Praxis, TExES, GACE, or HiSET tests, feel free to contact me. I'll be glad to meet with you during Convention. Email RLoew at ets.org or text me at 215-527-7442. My colleague Morgan Murray is here as well until tomorrow morning. Her cell is 908-256-4787 and email is mmurray001 at ets.org. Ruth Loew, ETS Sent using OWA for iPhone ________________________________ This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may contain privileged or confidential information. It is solely for use by the individual for whom it is intended, even if addressed incorrectly. If you received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender; do not disclose, copy, distribute, or take any action in reliance on the contents of this information; and delete it from your system. Any other use of this e-mail is prohibited. Thank you for your compliance. ________________________________ From jim.hulme at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 23:37:10 2016 From: jim.hulme at gmail.com (James Hulme) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 19:37:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Stream of NABS Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for sharing this message Chris Nusbaum. Thunder and lightning continue to pour throughout the Northeast tonight.....esp. New Jersey. On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L wrote: > Hello All: > > As those of you who are at convention may know, there was a power outage > at the hotel which caused the audio equipment in our ballroom to fry. We > are working as hard as we can to get a stream going by the time the meeting > begins. However, it may be that we can only get a recording on my iPhone. > Stay tuned for info. Thank you for your patience. > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jim.hulme%40gmail.com > From pompey2010 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 2 00:58:48 2016 From: pompey2010 at yahoo.com (Bobbi Pompey) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 20:58:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NCABS is Throwing a Pie in the Face of Your Favorite NFB Presidents!!! Table A43 Message-ID: Hello Fellow Federationists and Happy National Convention!!! Do you would want to see James Brown from Tennessee, Sean Whalen from the National Association of Blind Students, or another NFB Affiliate or Division President get pied in the face? Then the NFB of NC table is the place for you!!! The North Carolina Association of Blind Students (or NCABS) is having a Pie the President fundraiser! Simply stop by the NFB of NC table (A43) and place money (of any amount) in the jar of the president that you want to see get hit in the face with a whipped cream pie!! That's it! And the president who receives the most money will be pied! See you there!!!! Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 http://bobbialpompey.webs.com From chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com Sat Jul 2 04:30:12 2016 From: chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com (chelsea peahl) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 04:30:12 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Utah student taffy Message-ID: Hello all, Utah association of blind students are selling salt water taffy made in utah! Only $2 a bag and you support our student division! Chelsea Peahl From mkvnfb94 at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 19:21:24 2016 From: mkvnfb94 at gmail.com (Mariya Vasileva) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 14:21:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] I have a fear that I've lost confidence in myself. Message-ID: <6FD311BC-E95D-4370-84FD-DEC3E7B18E74@gmail.com> Sent from my iPhone Hi all. Let me start off by saying that I am a proud graduate of blind inc! With that being said, I am proud of the skills and confidence I've gained. I do believe though, I've lost some of that confidence since my graduation due to the business of college. Spacifically in the area of cooking, ever my mom came came to live with me, I've relied on her for this, and that's part of my issue. But is that really it? I feel like I'm starting from scratch like my training was worthless. From sandragayer7 at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 19:32:37 2016 From: sandragayer7 at gmail.com (Sandra Gayer) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 20:32:37 +0100 Subject: [nabs-l] I have a fear that I've lost confidence in myself. In-Reply-To: <6FD311BC-E95D-4370-84FD-DEC3E7B18E74@gmail.com> References: <6FD311BC-E95D-4370-84FD-DEC3E7B18E74@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Mariya, You're not the only visually impaired person to feel like that in new surroundings. With me, it's mobility. That's always the most difficult piece of the puzzle to acquire in a new building or living space. Did you make notes during your training about ways of conducting yourself which would transfer over to different cookers, for example? You know what they say about confidence? Just pretend you've got some for a bit and something will spark! Very best wishes, Sandra. On 7/2/16, Mariya Vasileva via NABS-L wrote: > > > Sent from my iPhone > Hi all. Let me start off by saying that I am a proud graduate of blind inc! > With that being said, I am proud of the skills and confidence I've gained. I > do believe though, I've lost some of that confidence since my graduation due > to the business of college. Spacifically in the area of cooking, ever my mom > came came to live with me, I've relied on her for this, and that's part of > my issue. But is that really it? I feel like I'm starting from scratch like > my training was worthless. > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gmail.com > -- Soprano Singer www.sandragayer.com Broadcast Presenter www.insightradio.co.uk/music-box.html Voiceover Artist www.archangelvoices.co.uk/content/sandra-gayer From christgirl813 at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 20:08:46 2016 From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 15:08:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] I have a fear that I've lost confidence in myself. In-Reply-To: References: <6FD311BC-E95D-4370-84FD-DEC3E7B18E74@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello, my name is Kayla. I have trouble being confident as well. I did not go to an NFB center, but I did go to a rehabilitation center, but lately, I feel kind of out of it. I go to a community college and I've changed my major a few times. I suppose I feel like I don't fit. On 7/2/16, Sandra Gayer via NABS-L wrote: > Hello Mariya, You're not the only visually impaired person to feel > like that in new surroundings. With me, it's mobility. That's always > the most difficult piece of the puzzle to acquire in a new building or > living space. Did you make notes during your training about ways of > conducting yourself which would transfer over to different cookers, > for example? > > You know what they say about confidence? Just pretend you've got some > for a bit and something will spark! > > Very best wishes, > Sandra. > > On 7/2/16, Mariya Vasileva via NABS-L wrote: >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> Hi all. Let me start off by saying that I am a proud graduate of blind >> inc! >> With that being said, I am proud of the skills and confidence I've gained. >> I >> do believe though, I've lost some of that confidence since my graduation >> due >> to the business of college. Spacifically in the area of cooking, ever my >> mom >> came came to live with me, I've relied on her for this, and that's part >> of >> my issue. But is that really it? I feel like I'm starting from scratch >> like >> my training was worthless. >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Soprano Singer > www.sandragayer.com > > Broadcast Presenter > > www.insightradio.co.uk/music-box.html > > Voiceover Artist > > www.archangelvoices.co.uk/content/sandra-gayer > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com > From desai1shikha at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 20:27:26 2016 From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 16:27:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] I have a fear that I've lost confidence in myself. In-Reply-To: References: <6FD311BC-E95D-4370-84FD-DEC3E7B18E74@gmail.com> Message-ID: Same here! I graduated from lcb and i am an adult but my parents are still treating me like a kid. I am not able to live the life that I want to live. I want to go to my friends wedding in August at Maryland and my parents won't let me go. This is really frustrating me because even though i am an adult i am being treated like a kid. I told my friend i will be there at his wedding but i am scared to ask my parents again! I really need some advice! This is also lowering my confidence and self asteam. Shikha. > On Jul 2, 2016, at 4:08 PM, Kayla James via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello, my name is Kayla. I have trouble being confident as well. I did > not go to an NFB center, but I did go to a rehabilitation center, but > lately, I feel kind of out of it. > I go to a community college and I've changed my major a few times. I > suppose I feel like I don't fit. > >> On 7/2/16, Sandra Gayer via NABS-L wrote: >> Hello Mariya, You're not the only visually impaired person to feel >> like that in new surroundings. With me, it's mobility. That's always >> the most difficult piece of the puzzle to acquire in a new building or >> living space. Did you make notes during your training about ways of >> conducting yourself which would transfer over to different cookers, >> for example? >> >> You know what they say about confidence? Just pretend you've got some >> for a bit and something will spark! >> >> Very best wishes, >> Sandra. >> >>> On 7/2/16, Mariya Vasileva via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> Hi all. Let me start off by saying that I am a proud graduate of blind >>> inc! >>> With that being said, I am proud of the skills and confidence I've gained. >>> I >>> do believe though, I've lost some of that confidence since my graduation >>> due >>> to the business of college. Spacifically in the area of cooking, ever my >>> mom >>> came came to live with me, I've relied on her for this, and that's part >>> of >>> my issue. But is that really it? I feel like I'm starting from scratch >>> like >>> my training was worthless. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gmail.com >> >> >> -- >> Soprano Singer >> www.sandragayer.com >> >> Broadcast Presenter >> >> www.insightradio.co.uk/music-box.html >> >> Voiceover Artist >> >> www.archangelvoices.co.uk/content/sandra-gayer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/desai1shikha%40gmail.com From philso1003 at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 20:34:50 2016 From: philso1003 at gmail.com (Phil) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 16:34:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Best exhibit booths at convention so far Message-ID: Hey guys, What are some of the best booths at exhibit hall this year? If someone is on a tight schedule, what are your top-5 or top-10 must visit booth picks? Thanks. Phil From gallagher123123 at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 21:23:33 2016 From: gallagher123123 at gmail.com (Cullen Gallagher) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 17:23:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Best exhibit booths at convention so far In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <76CAA294-4E9D-4B83-BFC1-7B0BB1328864@gmail.com> For me, I had to visit Humanware and VFO freedom scientific. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 2, 2016, at 4:34 PM, Phil via NABS-L wrote: > > Hey guys, > > What are some of the best booths at exhibit hall this year? If someone > is on a tight schedule, what are your top-5 or top-10 must visit booth > picks? > > Thanks. > > Phil > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gallagher123123%40gmail.com From mkvnfb94 at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 21:32:59 2016 From: mkvnfb94 at gmail.com (Mariya Vasileva) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 16:32:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] I have a fear that I've lost confidence in myself. In-Reply-To: References: <6FD311BC-E95D-4370-84FD-DEC3E7B18E74@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54D1F9FF-6C2C-43A9-AAD2-738C9746A111@gmail.com> Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 2, 2016, at 14:32, Sandra Gayer via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello Mariya, You're not the only visually impaired person to feel > like that in new surroundings. With me, it's mobility. That's always > the most difficult piece of the puzzle to acquire in a new building or > living space. Did you make notes during your training about ways of > conducting yourself which would transfer over to different cookers, > for example? > > You know what they say about confidence? Just pretend you've got some > for a bit and something will spark! > > Very best wishes, > Sandra. > >> On 7/2/16, Mariya Vasileva via NABS-L wrote: >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> Hi all. Let me start off by saying that I am a proud graduate of blind inc! >> With that being said, I am proud of the skills and confidence I've gained. I >> do believe though, I've lost some of that confidence since my graduation due >> to the business of college. Spacifically in the area of cooking, ever my mom >> came came to live with me, I've relied on her for this, and that's part of >> my issue. But is that really it? I feel like I'm starting from scratch like >> my training was worthless. >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gmail.com > > > -- > Soprano Singer > www.sandragayer.com > > Broadcast Presenter > > www.insightradio.co.uk/music-box.html > > Voiceover Artist > > www.archangelvoices.co.uk/content/sandra-gayer > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mkvnfb94%40gmail.com No, I didn't. I focused on my studies over the last year, and I didn't do much cooking. When I recently got in to it, I've done mistakes then fully focused production, which leads me to believe this. Plus, I feel like my mom is giving me the impression that my training was worthless. From hope.paulos at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 22:24:08 2016 From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 18:24:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Best exhibit booths at convention so far In-Reply-To: <76CAA294-4E9D-4B83-BFC1-7B0BB1328864@gmail.com> References: <76CAA294-4E9D-4B83-BFC1-7B0BB1328864@gmail.com> Message-ID: <498AE5C3-A035-45D2-B884-7C2F40CA3053@gmail.com> What did you think of the L-Braille, Cullen? Hope Paulos > On Jul 2, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Cullen Gallagher via NABS-L wrote: > > For me, I had to visit Humanware and VFO freedom scientific. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 2, 2016, at 4:34 PM, Phil via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hey guys, >> >> What are some of the best booths at exhibit hall this year? If someone >> is on a tight schedule, what are your top-5 or top-10 must visit booth >> picks? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Phil >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gallagher123123%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com From violingirl30794 at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 00:07:05 2016 From: violingirl30794 at gmail.com (Abby Bolling) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 20:07:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A story Message-ID: <37C2D4CE-7E52-42B7-9940-CA1F06DB20DA@gmail.com> Hi all, I am currently at NFB convention, and have spent some time in the exhibit hall. I won't mention any names here to protect the privacy of this person. I was approached by a young man who was having a hard time. I stood and talked with him for a while. He had been to an NFB center before, but was unable to finish the curriculum. Since he had been pulled from the program, he has been told "You can't do, — something — because your blind." He could not understand why he was feeling so confused in this environment. I was able to figure out that he has been told he can't do something, but then came to convention, and is seeing all these blind people being all kinds of independent. He then asked me if there was something wrong with him , which I said absolutely not. I depressed to him that he can be independent, he has all the tools to become self-sufficient and independent, he just needs to learn how to use these tools. He asked to visit the Blind Inc. table which I took him too. but I am wondering if there was anything else I should have said or done for him? Sent from my iPhone From rhondaprincess at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 01:00:00 2016 From: rhondaprincess at gmail.com (Rhonda Cruz) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 18:00:00 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] I have a fear that I've lost confidence in myself. In-Reply-To: References: <6FD311BC-E95D-4370-84FD-DEC3E7B18E74@gmail.com> Message-ID: hi my name is Rhonda, nice to meet you. you can gane back your confiadiance back. in cooking. thinking of you. I belive in you. I practice cooking as well. I do basic mails, for for many years, good luck to you,my family. I have not been totally blind. On 7/2/16, Sandra Gayer via NABS-L wrote: > Hello Mariya, You're not the only visually impaired person to feel > like that in new surroundings. With me, it's mobility. That's always > the most difficult piece of the puzzle to acquire in a new building or > living space. Did you make notes during your training about ways of > conducting yourself which would transfer over to different cookers, > for example? > > You know what they say about confidence? Just pretend you've got some > for a bit and something will spark! > > Very best wishes, > Sandra. > > On 7/2/16, Mariya Vasileva via NABS-L wrote: >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> Hi all. Let me start off by saying that I am a proud graduate of blind >> inc! >> With that being said, I am proud of the skills and confidence I've gained. >> I >> do believe though, I've lost some of that confidence since my graduation >> due >> to the business of college. Spacifically in the area of cooking, ever my >> mom >> came came to live with me, I've relied on her for this, and that's part >> of >> my issue. But is that really it? I feel like I'm starting from scratch >> like >> my training was worthless. >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Soprano Singer > www.sandragayer.com > > Broadcast Presenter > > www.insightradio.co.uk/music-box.html > > Voiceover Artist > > www.archangelvoices.co.uk/content/sandra-gayer > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rhondaprincess%40gmail.com > -- Have freedom. and listen to your hart Smilely. Rhonda & Mya.. From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu Sun Jul 3 12:21:15 2016 From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 08:21:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A story In-Reply-To: <37C2D4CE-7E52-42B7-9940-CA1F06DB20DA@gmail.com> References: <37C2D4CE-7E52-42B7-9940-CA1F06DB20DA@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey Abby, welcome to convention. I don't think there's anything else to do without knowing the whole story. But thank you for being a beacon for this young man. I'm sure it meant a lot to him. Best regards Derek Manners Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 2, 2016, at 8:07 PM, Abby Bolling via NABS-L wrote: > > > Hi all, > I am currently at NFB convention, and have spent some time in the exhibit hall. > I won't mention any names here to protect the privacy of this person. > I was approached by a young man who was having a hard time. > I stood and talked with him for a while. He had been to an NFB center before, but was unable to finish the curriculum. Since he had been pulled from the program, he has been told "You can't do, — something — because your blind." > He could not understand why he was feeling so confused in this environment. I was able to figure out that he has been told he can't do something, but then came to convention, and is seeing all these blind people being all kinds of independent. > He then asked me if there was something wrong with him , which I said absolutely not. I depressed to him that he can be independent, he has all the tools to become self-sufficient and independent, he just needs to learn how to use these tools. > He asked to visit the Blind Inc. table which I took him too. but I am wondering if there was anything else I should have said or done for him? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dmanners%40jd16.law.harvard.edu From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 14:12:19 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 10:12:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] I have a fear that I've lost confidence in myself. In-Reply-To: <54D1F9FF-6C2C-43A9-AAD2-738C9746A111@gmail.com> References: <6FD311BC-E95D-4370-84FD-DEC3E7B18E74@gmail.com> <54D1F9FF-6C2C-43A9-AAD2-738C9746A111@gmail.com> Message-ID: <032501d1d46b$bf23d200$3d6b7600$@gmail.com> Start with baby steps first. Make a sandwitch, or make a shake. Get a braille cookbook. You'll get to experiment more when you get out on your own. Use a crock pot and cook something in that. Wash off a sweet potato, and heat it in the microwave. Those are just a few ideas. Make it easy, you want layups and slam dunks right now; make it easy on yourself and don't cook something involved. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mariya Vasileva via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 5:33 PM To: sandragayer7 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Mariya Vasileva Subject: Re: [nabs-l] I have a fear that I've lost confidence in myself. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 2, 2016, at 14:32, Sandra Gayer via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello Mariya, You're not the only visually impaired person to feel > like that in new surroundings. With me, it's mobility. That's always > the most difficult piece of the puzzle to acquire in a new building or > living space. Did you make notes during your training about ways of > conducting yourself which would transfer over to different cookers, > for example? > > You know what they say about confidence? Just pretend you've got some > for a bit and something will spark! > > Very best wishes, > Sandra. > >> On 7/2/16, Mariya Vasileva via NABS-L wrote: >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> Hi all. Let me start off by saying that I am a proud graduate of blind inc! >> With that being said, I am proud of the skills and confidence I've >> gained. I do believe though, I've lost some of that confidence since >> my graduation due to the business of college. Spacifically in the >> area of cooking, ever my mom came came to live with me, I've relied >> on her for this, and that's part of my issue. But is that really it? >> I feel like I'm starting from scratch like my training was worthless. >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gm >> ail.com > > > -- > Soprano Singer > www.sandragayer.com > > Broadcast Presenter > > www.insightradio.co.uk/music-box.html > > Voiceover Artist > > www.archangelvoices.co.uk/content/sandra-gayer > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mkvnfb94%40gmail.c > om No, I didn't. I focused on my studies over the last year, and I didn't do much cooking. When I recently got in to it, I've done mistakes then fully focused production, which leads me to believe this. Plus, I feel like my mom is giving me the impression that my training was worthless. _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From rhondaprincess at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 13:47:02 2016 From: rhondaprincess at gmail.com (Rhonda Cruz) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 06:47:02 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] A story In-Reply-To: References: <37C2D4CE-7E52-42B7-9940-CA1F06DB20DA@gmail.com> Message-ID: hi abby. you did a great job. for helping that young man out.. I hope you have a great time at convention. On 7/3/16, Derek Manners via NABS-L wrote: > Hey Abby, welcome to convention. I don't think there's anything else to do > without knowing the whole story. But thank you for being a beacon for this > young man. I'm sure it meant a lot to him. > > Best regards > Derek Manners > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 2, 2016, at 8:07 PM, Abby Bolling via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> >> Hi all, >> I am currently at NFB convention, and have spent some time in the exhibit >> hall. >> I won't mention any names here to protect the privacy of this person. >> I was approached by a young man who was having a hard time. >> I stood and talked with him for a while. He had been to an NFB center >> before, but was unable to finish the curriculum. Since he had been pulled >> from the program, he has been told "You can't do, — something — because >> your blind." >> He could not understand why he was feeling so confused in this >> environment. I was able to figure out that he has been told he can't do >> something, but then came to convention, and is seeing all these blind >> people being all kinds of independent. >> He then asked me if there was something wrong with him , which I said >> absolutely not. I depressed to him that he can be independent, he has all >> the tools to become self-sufficient and independent, he just needs to >> learn how to use these tools. >> He asked to visit the Blind Inc. table which I took him too. but I am >> wondering if there was anything else I should have said or done for him? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dmanners%40jd16.law.harvard.edu > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rhondaprincess%40gmail.com > -- Have freedom. and listen to your hart Smilely. Rhonda & Mya.. From mkvnfb94 at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 14:08:53 2016 From: mkvnfb94 at gmail.com (Mariya Vasileva) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 09:08:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] I have a fear that I've lost confidence in myself. In-Reply-To: <032501d1d46b$bf23d200$3d6b7600$@gmail.com> References: <6FD311BC-E95D-4370-84FD-DEC3E7B18E74@gmail.com> <54D1F9FF-6C2C-43A9-AAD2-738C9746A111@gmail.com> <032501d1d46b$bf23d200$3d6b7600$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8E8D8BDA-862C-4E5B-9D37-A43642F63992@gmail.com> Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 2, 2016, at 09:12, justin via NABS-L wrote: > > Start with baby steps first. Make a sandwitch, or make a shake. Get a > braille cookbook. > You'll get to experiment more when you get out on your own. > Use a crock pot and cook something in that. > Wash off a sweet potato, and heat it in the microwave. > Those are just a few ideas. > Make it easy, you want layups and slam dunks right now; make it easy on > yourself and don't cook something involved. > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mariya Vasileva > via NABS-L > Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 5:33 PM > To: sandragayer7 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Cc: Mariya Vasileva > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] I have a fear that I've lost confidence in myself. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Jul 2, 2016, at 14:32, Sandra Gayer via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Hello Mariya, You're not the only visually impaired person to feel >> like that in new surroundings. With me, it's mobility. That's always >> the most difficult piece of the puzzle to acquire in a new building or >> living space. Did you make notes during your training about ways of >> conducting yourself which would transfer over to different cookers, >> for example? >> >> You know what they say about confidence? Just pretend you've got some >> for a bit and something will spark! >> >> Very best wishes, >> Sandra. >> >>> On 7/2/16, Mariya Vasileva via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> Hi all. Let me start off by saying that I am a proud graduate of blind > inc! >>> With that being said, I am proud of the skills and confidence I've >>> gained. I do believe though, I've lost some of that confidence since >>> my graduation due to the business of college. Spacifically in the >>> area of cooking, ever my mom came came to live with me, I've relied >>> on her for this, and that's part of my issue. But is that really it? >>> I feel like I'm starting from scratch like my training was worthless. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gm >>> ail.com >> >> >> -- >> Soprano Singer >> www.sandragayer.com >> >> Broadcast Presenter >> >> www.insightradio.co.uk/music-box.html >> >> Voiceover Artist >> >> www.archangelvoices.co.uk/content/sandra-gayer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mkvnfb94%40gmail.c >> om > No, I didn't. I focused on my studies over the last year, and I didn't do > much cooking. When I recently got in to it, I've done mistakes then fully > focused production, which leads me to believe this. Plus, I feel like my mom > is giving me the impression that my training was worthless. > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mkvnfb94%40gmail.com The thing is, I've done all that in training, it's just when I dove in to my classes and my mom came to live with me, I slacked. Now, I'm cutting not straight, saute meat like as if it's my first time, wrap something in dough with much more mistake than done right, I light a gas stove and apparently only get just gas and not flame on low and fkr all this, I get criticised and lectured for all this like it's my first time. And to top it all off, I vet told that my training was worthless and that while there, I didn't have a cooking class. From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 14:42:01 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 10:42:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] I have a fear that I've lost confidence in myself. In-Reply-To: <8E8D8BDA-862C-4E5B-9D37-A43642F63992@gmail.com> References: <6FD311BC-E95D-4370-84FD-DEC3E7B18E74@gmail.com> <54D1F9FF-6C2C-43A9-AAD2-738C9746A111@gmail.com> <032501d1d46b$bf23d200$3d6b7600$@gmail.com> <8E8D8BDA-862C-4E5B-9D37-A43642F63992@gmail.com> Message-ID: <032c01d1d46f$e5409b90$afc1d2b0$@gmail.com> Right, but just get your rhythm back. Then, when you have sated your appatite, then take your time and practice. Give yourself a little breathing room. Maybe you can practice when she is not around. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mariya Vasileva via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 10:09 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Mariya Vasileva Subject: Re: [nabs-l] I have a fear that I've lost confidence in myself. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 2, 2016, at 09:12, justin via NABS-L wrote: > > Start with baby steps first. Make a sandwitch, or make a shake. Get a > braille cookbook. > You'll get to experiment more when you get out on your own. > Use a crock pot and cook something in that. > Wash off a sweet potato, and heat it in the microwave. > Those are just a few ideas. > Make it easy, you want layups and slam dunks right now; make it easy > on yourself and don't cook something involved. > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mariya > Vasileva via NABS-L > Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 5:33 PM > To: sandragayer7 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students > mailing list > Cc: Mariya Vasileva > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] I have a fear that I've lost confidence in myself. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Jul 2, 2016, at 14:32, Sandra Gayer via NABS-L >>> >> wrote: >> >> Hello Mariya, You're not the only visually impaired person to feel >> like that in new surroundings. With me, it's mobility. That's always >> the most difficult piece of the puzzle to acquire in a new building >> or living space. Did you make notes during your training about ways >> of conducting yourself which would transfer over to different >> cookers, for example? >> >> You know what they say about confidence? Just pretend you've got some >> for a bit and something will spark! >> >> Very best wishes, >> Sandra. >> >>> On 7/2/16, Mariya Vasileva via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> Hi all. Let me start off by saying that I am a proud graduate of >>> blind > inc! >>> With that being said, I am proud of the skills and confidence I've >>> gained. I do believe though, I've lost some of that confidence since >>> my graduation due to the business of college. Spacifically in the >>> area of cooking, ever my mom came came to live with me, I've relied >>> on her for this, and that's part of my issue. But is that really it? >>> I feel like I'm starting from scratch like my training was worthless. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40g >>> m >>> ail.com >> >> >> -- >> Soprano Singer >> www.sandragayer.com >> >> Broadcast Presenter >> >> www.insightradio.co.uk/music-box.html >> >> Voiceover Artist >> >> www.archangelvoices.co.uk/content/sandra-gayer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mkvnfb94%40gmail. >> c >> om > No, I didn't. I focused on my studies over the last year, and I didn't > do much cooking. When I recently got in to it, I've done mistakes then > fully focused production, which leads me to believe this. Plus, I feel > like my mom is giving me the impression that my training was worthless. > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 > 0gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mkvnfb94%40gmail.c > om The thing is, I've done all that in training, it's just when I dove in to my classes and my mom came to live with me, I slacked. Now, I'm cutting not straight, saute meat like as if it's my first time, wrap something in dough with much more mistake than done right, I light a gas stove and apparently only get just gas and not flame on low and fkr all this, I get criticised and lectured for all this like it's my first time. And to top it all off, I vet told that my training was worthless and that while there, I didn't have a cooking class. _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From jab2bs at mtmail.mtsu.edu Sun Jul 3 14:38:24 2016 From: jab2bs at mtmail.mtsu.edu (James Alan Boehm) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 14:38:24 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Best exhibit booths at convention so far In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The Tennessee affiliate table which is a 34 has a great tech bundle raffle and also has some awesome cane accessories, customizing, and Bluetooth speakers another cool gadgets James Alan Boehm Phone: 901-483-1515 Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com Refer NFB correspondences to: secretary at nfb-tn.org "Blindness never limits- Low expectations do! Live the life you want!" > On Jul 2, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Phil via NABS-L wrote: > > Hey guys, > > What are some of the best booths at exhibit hall this year? If someone > is on a tight schedule, what are your top-5 or top-10 must visit booth > picks? > > Thanks. > > Phil > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jab2bs%40mtmail.mtsu.edu From Vyingling at nfb.org Sun Jul 3 18:59:44 2016 From: Vyingling at nfb.org (Yingling, Valerie) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 18:59:44 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking students who have completed Algebra 1 to help with Pearson user testing at convention In-Reply-To: References: , , <5A233508-78FA-4CAA-A9AF-C14F9769B6F3@nfb.org>, Message-ID: <38127B49-1BF5-4C95-87A2-2B60B6840E5F@nfb.org> At convention? We need your help tonight, July 3rd, from 7:30 to 9pm! As a part of the NFB's work with Pearson, we are helping to recruit participants for Pearson's user studies during the NFB convention. We are really excited about this opportunity and need to try to recruit as many qualified participants as possible. We are seeking students who completed Algebra 1 or a higher level math class this past school year to help with the user testing. Students should be at or near grade level and should be screen access software users and/or Braille and Nemeth readers. Participants will receive a $150 gift card and will help with the development of accessible digital tools and content. Visit the recruitment tool to participate, or contact Valerie Yingling with questions: vyingling at nfb.org. Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. From taylorarndt99 at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 00:37:54 2016 From: taylorarndt99 at gmail.com (Taylor Arndt) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 20:37:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] College research in seeking input Message-ID: Hi, So I am starting to do college research, and I think I'm going to go out-of-state. I live in Michigan, but winters are very hard for me to handle due to some other problems. So does anybody know what universities in Florida have a good disability services offices? Thank you and I appreciate all input that I'm given as I don't know any of the colleges Sent from my iPhone From kenia.flores101 at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 01:00:29 2016 From: kenia.flores101 at gmail.com (Kenia Flores) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 20:00:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] College research in seeking input In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Taylor, Unfortunately, I am not familiar with any universities in Florida. I recently graduated high school and went through the college search and application process. I would strongly urge you to explore the website of disability services at the schools you are considering. I did that and found it extremely helpful. You can also try to contact someone at the university who can answer any questions you may have. I hope this helps. Best, Kenia On 7/3/16, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L wrote: > Hi, > > So I am starting to do college research, and I think I'm going to go > out-of-state. I live in Michigan, but winters are very hard for me to handle > due to some other problems. So does anybody know what universities in > Florida have a good disability services offices? Thank you and I appreciate > all input that I'm given as I don't know any of the colleges > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kenia.flores101%40gmail.com > -- Sincerely, Kenia Flores From taylorarndt99 at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 01:22:57 2016 From: taylorarndt99 at gmail.com (Taylor Arndt) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 21:22:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] College research in seeking input In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you, and I will do that. I'm planning to make a whole bunch of phone calls this week but also I have to deal with the problem of state residency this should be very fun Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 3, 2016, at 9:00 PM, Kenia Flores via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Taylor, > > Unfortunately, I am not familiar with any universities in Florida. I > recently graduated high school and went through the college search and > application process. I would strongly urge you to explore the website > of disability services at the schools you are considering. I did that > and found it extremely helpful. You can also try to contact someone at > the university who can answer any questions you may have. I hope this > helps. > > Best, > Kenia > >> On 7/3/16, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L wrote: >> Hi, >> >> So I am starting to do college research, and I think I'm going to go >> out-of-state. I live in Michigan, but winters are very hard for me to handle >> due to some other problems. So does anybody know what universities in >> Florida have a good disability services offices? Thank you and I appreciate >> all input that I'm given as I don't know any of the colleges >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kenia.flores101%40gmail.com > > > -- > Sincerely, > Kenia Flores > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/taylorarndt99%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 01:59:05 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 21:59:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] College research in seeking input In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000601d1d4ce$7b9949d0$72cbdd70$@gmail.com> Are you just dead set on Florida? Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Taylor Arndt via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:23 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Taylor Arndt Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College research in seeking input Thank you, and I will do that. I'm planning to make a whole bunch of phone calls this week but also I have to deal with the problem of state residency this should be very fun Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 3, 2016, at 9:00 PM, Kenia Flores via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Taylor, > > Unfortunately, I am not familiar with any universities in Florida. I > recently graduated high school and went through the college search and > application process. I would strongly urge you to explore the website > of disability services at the schools you are considering. I did that > and found it extremely helpful. You can also try to contact someone at > the university who can answer any questions you may have. I hope this > helps. > > Best, > Kenia > >> On 7/3/16, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L wrote: >> Hi, >> >> So I am starting to do college research, and I think I'm going to go >> out-of-state. I live in Michigan, but winters are very hard for me to >> handle due to some other problems. So does anybody know what >> universities in Florida have a good disability services offices? >> Thank you and I appreciate all input that I'm given as I don't know >> any of the colleges >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kenia.flores101%4 >> 0gmail.com > > > -- > Sincerely, > Kenia Flores > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/taylorarndt99%40gm > ail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From nelsonsam68 at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 01:29:48 2016 From: nelsonsam68 at gmail.com (Sam Nelson) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 20:29:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Sharing a blog post regarding audio description of disability centered TV show Message-ID: <009501d1d593$8e0eabd0$aa2c0370$@com> Hi everyone, I hope you're doing well. This may be slightly off topic but likely something some of you would be interested in. The accessibile digital media project is an advocacy group who's goal it is to make all programs audio described. We're working very hard with those at netflicks and apple, and many audio describers have been in contact with us and we're making great strides. Our latist focus is the popular ABC family drama Switched at birth which centers on the deaf community. Below is a post where I share my thoughts on the show, and why I can't really watch it as of yet due to lack of audio description. I won't repeat myself as I incourage people to view and comment on the link as well as share. The best thing you can do is contact Tracy at Netflicks. The more people that push for this the more likely they'll at least not be able to ignore us. So many shows are audio described now with netflicks and itunes. It's very hard to understand how an obviously disability centered show is not accessible to people of all disabilities. We believe this will eventually happen. As the show is ending in 2017 it won't happen on TV, but in online media platforms. Any support is so appreciated. Even if it's passing the link along to interested others. https://netflixproject.wordpress.com/2016/06/14/why-we-want-audio-descriptio n-on-switched-at-birth/ Thank you. Sam --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From dandrews at visi.com Mon Jul 4 02:52:26 2016 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2016 21:52:26 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [BANA-Announce] Music Braille Code, 2015 Now Available on the BANA Website! Message-ID: >BANA logo > > > >Publication Announcement > > > > > >MUSIC BRAILLE CODE, 2015 NOW AVAILABLE! > > > >June 30, 2016 >Immediate Release > >BANA is extremely pleased to announce the >publication of the expanded Braille Music Code, >2015. This completely revised publication is >available for free download in two electronic >versions­PDF and BRF, which are available on the >BANA website at >http://www.brailleauthority.org/music/music.html. >Hardcopy versions will be produced and sold by >the American Printing House for the Blind. > >BANA expresses its gratitude to the dedicated >members of our Music Braille Committee whose >remarkable commitment, diligence, and expertise >made this publication a reality. > >NOTE: This press release is available in HTML on >the BANA website at >http://www.brailleauthority.org/music/music.html > >You can follow the work of BANA by signing up >for BANA-Announce, a one-way email list that >disseminates news and information. 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Name: 78c5416.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 5276 bytes Desc: not available URL: From taylorarndt99 at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 04:41:43 2016 From: taylorarndt99 at gmail.com (Taylor Arndt) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 00:41:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] College research in seeking input In-Reply-To: <000601d1d4ce$7b9949d0$72cbdd70$@gmail.com> References: <000601d1d4ce$7b9949d0$72cbdd70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <98E17BBB-B333-498A-AEC9-4750EDABF173@gmail.com> Sort of, but here's the problem I have to go somewhere warm because I cannot really navigate in the winter by myself as I have other medical conditions that can prevent me from trying to navigate in the snow and I have to find somewhere down south that will not have snow or very cold Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 2, 2016, at 9:59 PM, justin via NABS-L wrote: > > Are you just dead set on Florida? > > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Taylor Arndt > via NABS-L > Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:23 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Taylor Arndt > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College research in seeking input > > Thank you, and I will do that. I'm planning to make a whole bunch of phone > calls this week but also I have to deal with the problem of state residency > this should be very fun > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Jul 3, 2016, at 9:00 PM, Kenia Flores via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Hi Taylor, >> >> Unfortunately, I am not familiar with any universities in Florida. I >> recently graduated high school and went through the college search and >> application process. I would strongly urge you to explore the website >> of disability services at the schools you are considering. I did that >> and found it extremely helpful. You can also try to contact someone at >> the university who can answer any questions you may have. I hope this >> helps. >> >> Best, >> Kenia >> >>> On 7/3/16, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> So I am starting to do college research, and I think I'm going to go >>> out-of-state. I live in Michigan, but winters are very hard for me to >>> handle due to some other problems. So does anybody know what >>> universities in Florida have a good disability services offices? >>> Thank you and I appreciate all input that I'm given as I don't know >>> any of the colleges >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kenia.flores101%4 >>> 0gmail.com >> >> >> -- >> Sincerely, >> Kenia Flores >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/taylorarndt99%40gm >> ail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/taylorarndt99%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 05:16:08 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 01:16:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] College research in seeking input In-Reply-To: <98E17BBB-B333-498A-AEC9-4750EDABF173@gmail.com> References: <000601d1d4ce$7b9949d0$72cbdd70$@gmail.com> <98E17BBB-B333-498A-AEC9-4750EDABF173@gmail.com> Message-ID: <005201d1d4ea$02126210$06372630$@gmail.com> Okay. Just keep other states in mind that also don't have snow. But yes, Florida is one of the best. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Taylor Arndt via NABS-L Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:42 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Taylor Arndt Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College research in seeking input Sort of, but here's the problem I have to go somewhere warm because I cannot really navigate in the winter by myself as I have other medical conditions that can prevent me from trying to navigate in the snow and I have to find somewhere down south that will not have snow or very cold Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 2, 2016, at 9:59 PM, justin via NABS-L wrote: > > Are you just dead set on Florida? > > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Taylor > Arndt via NABS-L > Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:23 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: Taylor Arndt > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College research in seeking input > > Thank you, and I will do that. I'm planning to make a whole bunch of > phone calls this week but also I have to deal with the problem of > state residency this should be very fun > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Jul 3, 2016, at 9:00 PM, Kenia Flores via NABS-L >>> >> wrote: >> >> Hi Taylor, >> >> Unfortunately, I am not familiar with any universities in Florida. I >> recently graduated high school and went through the college search >> and application process. I would strongly urge you to explore the >> website of disability services at the schools you are considering. I >> did that and found it extremely helpful. You can also try to contact >> someone at the university who can answer any questions you may have. >> I hope this helps. >> >> Best, >> Kenia >> >>> On 7/3/16, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> So I am starting to do college research, and I think I'm going to go >>> out-of-state. I live in Michigan, but winters are very hard for me >>> to handle due to some other problems. So does anybody know what >>> universities in Florida have a good disability services offices? >>> Thank you and I appreciate all input that I'm given as I don't know >>> any of the colleges >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kenia.flores101% >>> 4 >>> 0gmail.com >> >> >> -- >> Sincerely, >> Kenia Flores >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/taylorarndt99%40g >> m >> ail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 > 0gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/taylorarndt99%40gm > ail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From taylorarndt99 at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 05:15:24 2016 From: taylorarndt99 at gmail.com (Taylor Arndt) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 01:15:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] College research in seeking input In-Reply-To: <005201d1d4ea$02126210$06372630$@gmail.com> References: <000601d1d4ce$7b9949d0$72cbdd70$@gmail.com> <98E17BBB-B333-498A-AEC9-4750EDABF173@gmail.com> <005201d1d4ea$02126210$06372630$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9F72C721-08D8-4A74-9C0A-4A367CE3A81D@gmail.com> I will, but I'm also going off of how good the blind services are in the state and I have relatives there anyway so my residency might get a sped up no? Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 3, 2016, at 1:16 AM, justin via NABS-L wrote: > > Okay. Just keep other states in mind that also don't have snow. But yes, > Florida is one of the best. > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Taylor Arndt > via NABS-L > Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:42 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Taylor Arndt > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College research in seeking input > > Sort of, but here's the problem I have to go somewhere warm because I cannot > really navigate in the winter by myself as I have other medical conditions > that can prevent me from trying to navigate in the snow and I have to find > somewhere down south that will not have snow or very cold > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 2, 2016, at 9:59 PM, justin via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Are you just dead set on Florida? >> >> Justin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Taylor >> Arndt via NABS-L >> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:23 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Taylor Arndt >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College research in seeking input >> >> Thank you, and I will do that. I'm planning to make a whole bunch of >> phone calls this week but also I have to deal with the problem of >> state residency this should be very fun >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Jul 3, 2016, at 9:00 PM, Kenia Flores via NABS-L >>>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Taylor, >>> >>> Unfortunately, I am not familiar with any universities in Florida. I >>> recently graduated high school and went through the college search >>> and application process. I would strongly urge you to explore the >>> website of disability services at the schools you are considering. I >>> did that and found it extremely helpful. You can also try to contact >>> someone at the university who can answer any questions you may have. >>> I hope this helps. >>> >>> Best, >>> Kenia >>> >>>> On 7/3/16, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> So I am starting to do college research, and I think I'm going to go >>>> out-of-state. I live in Michigan, but winters are very hard for me >>>> to handle due to some other problems. So does anybody know what >>>> universities in Florida have a good disability services offices? >>>> Thank you and I appreciate all input that I'm given as I don't know >>>> any of the colleges >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kenia.flores101% >>>> 4 >>>> 0gmail.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sincerely, >>> Kenia Flores >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/taylorarndt99%40g >>> m >>> ail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 >> 0gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/taylorarndt99%40gm >> ail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/taylorarndt99%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 14:22:17 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 10:22:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] backing up files Message-ID: <000101d1d536$4dbedf80$e93c9e80$@gmail.com> How do you folks back of files besides an external harddrive? I'm using JAWS. Justin From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu Mon Jul 4 14:26:05 2016 From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 10:26:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] backing up files In-Reply-To: <000101d1d536$4dbedf80$e93c9e80$@gmail.com> References: <000101d1d536$4dbedf80$e93c9e80$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, I use dropbox and Google drive. God bless.--Christina > On Jul 3, 2016, at 10:22, justin via NABS-L wrote: > > How do you folks back of files besides an external harddrive? I'm using > JAWS. > > Justin > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu From nelsonsam68 at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 15:47:43 2016 From: nelsonsam68 at gmail.com (Sam Nelson) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 10:47:43 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] test Message-ID: <006001d1d60b$67efad00$37cf0700$@com> Hey Wondering if people get this. Sent something last night and not sure if it went through. Thanks. Sam --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From taylorarndt99 at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 16:05:42 2016 From: taylorarndt99 at gmail.com (Taylor Arndt) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 12:05:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] test In-Reply-To: <006001d1d60b$67efad00$37cf0700$@com> References: <006001d1d60b$67efad00$37cf0700$@com> Message-ID: Got it Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 4, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Sam Nelson via NABS-L wrote: > > Hey > > Wondering if people get this. Sent something last night and not sure if it > went through. > > Thanks. > > Sam > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/taylorarndt99%40gmail.com From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu Mon Jul 4 16:08:11 2016 From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 12:08:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] test In-Reply-To: <006001d1d60b$67efad00$37cf0700$@com> References: <006001d1d60b$67efad00$37cf0700$@com> Message-ID: <30EA3CF2-A466-47E0-92A3-1123F91932BE@houghton.edu> Got it God bless.--Christina > On Jul 4, 2016, at 11:47, Sam Nelson via NABS-L wrote: > > Hey > > Wondering if people get this. Sent something last night and not sure if it > went through. > > Thanks. > > Sam > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu From nelsonsam68 at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 16:09:04 2016 From: nelsonsam68 at gmail.com (Sam Nelson) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 11:09:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] test In-Reply-To: References: <006001d1d60b$67efad00$37cf0700$@com> Message-ID: <006501d1d60e$630b82c0$29228840$@com> Hi Taylor, Thanks so much. Good that my e-mail did get through then. Sam -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Taylor Arndt via NABS-L Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:06 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Taylor Arndt Subject: Re: [nabs-l] test Got it Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 4, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Sam Nelson via NABS-L wrote: > > Hey > > Wondering if people get this. Sent something last night and not sure > if it went through. > > Thanks. > > Sam > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/taylorarndt99%40gm > ail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nelsonsam68%40gmail.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From nelsonsam68 at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 16:14:02 2016 From: nelsonsam68 at gmail.com (Sam Nelson) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 11:14:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] test In-Reply-To: <30EA3CF2-A466-47E0-92A3-1123F91932BE@houghton.edu> References: <006001d1d60b$67efad00$37cf0700$@com> <30EA3CF2-A466-47E0-92A3-1123F91932BE@houghton.edu> Message-ID: <006601d1d60f$14988b50$3dc9a1f0$@com> Cool. Ok. Could people if they have a moment take a look at the message I sent last night around getting switched at birth audio described. Would really appreciate it! -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christina Moore via NABS-L Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:08 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Christina Moore Subject: Re: [nabs-l] test Got it God bless.--Christina > On Jul 4, 2016, at 11:47, Sam Nelson via NABS-L wrote: > > Hey > > Wondering if people get this. Sent something last night and not sure > if it went through. > > Thanks. > > Sam > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16% > 40houghton.edu _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nelsonsam68%40gmail.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From laurel.stockard at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 16:23:26 2016 From: laurel.stockard at gmail.com (Laurel) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 11:23:26 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] College research in seeking input In-Reply-To: <9F72C721-08D8-4A74-9C0A-4A367CE3A81D@gmail.com> References: <000601d1d4ce$7b9949d0$72cbdd70$@gmail.com> <98E17BBB-B333-498A-AEC9-4750EDABF173@gmail.com> <005201d1d4ea$02126210$06372630$@gmail.com> <9F72C721-08D8-4A74-9C0A-4A367CE3A81D@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Taylor, Good luck with your college search. I've heard good things about Florida State University, apparently they are extremely blind friendly there. I know it's not Florida, but if you ever want to look at the University of Oklahoma, I can vouch for the fact that their disability services are excellent, and Norman is a very blind friendly town. Good luck in your search, Laurel On 7/4/16, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L wrote: > I will, but I'm also going off of how good the blind services are in the > state and I have relatives there anyway so my residency might get a sped up > no? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 3, 2016, at 1:16 AM, justin via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Okay. Just keep other states in mind that also don't have snow. But >> yes, >> Florida is one of the best. >> Justin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Taylor Arndt >> via NABS-L >> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:42 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Taylor Arndt >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College research in seeking input >> >> Sort of, but here's the problem I have to go somewhere warm because I >> cannot >> really navigate in the winter by myself as I have other medical >> conditions >> that can prevent me from trying to navigate in the snow and I have to >> find >> somewhere down south that will not have snow or very cold >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 2, 2016, at 9:59 PM, justin via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> Are you just dead set on Florida? >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Taylor >>> Arndt via NABS-L >>> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:23 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Cc: Taylor Arndt >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College research in seeking input >>> >>> Thank you, and I will do that. I'm planning to make a whole bunch of >>> phone calls this week but also I have to deal with the problem of >>> state residency this should be very fun >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On Jul 3, 2016, at 9:00 PM, Kenia Flores via NABS-L >>>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Taylor, >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, I am not familiar with any universities in Florida. I >>>> recently graduated high school and went through the college search >>>> and application process. I would strongly urge you to explore the >>>> website of disability services at the schools you are considering. I >>>> did that and found it extremely helpful. You can also try to contact >>>> someone at the university who can answer any questions you may have. >>>> I hope this helps. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Kenia >>>> >>>>> On 7/3/16, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> So I am starting to do college research, and I think I'm going to go >>>>> out-of-state. I live in Michigan, but winters are very hard for me >>>>> to handle due to some other problems. So does anybody know what >>>>> universities in Florida have a good disability services offices? >>>>> Thank you and I appreciate all input that I'm given as I don't know >>>>> any of the colleges >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kenia.flores101% >>>>> 4 >>>>> 0gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sincerely, >>>> Kenia Flores >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/taylorarndt99%40g >>>> m >>>> ail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 >>> 0gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/taylorarndt99%40gm >>> ail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/taylorarndt99%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com > From jsoro620 at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 19:18:46 2016 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 15:18:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] backing up files In-Reply-To: <000101d1d536$4dbedf80$e93c9e80$@gmail.com> References: <000101d1d536$4dbedf80$e93c9e80$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <005b01d1d628$e35242b0$a9f6c810$@gmail.com> Justin, Though I also rely on apps like Dropbox to keep things synchronized like the other person suggested, Dropbox itself should never be used as a backup system. It's better to use an external hard drive like you mentioned along with a dedicated online backup service like Carbonite. I used Carbonite for a couple years and found it accessible. I dropped it though after I hooked up an external drive to my router and back up files that way. To keep things fairly automated, I use a program called Bbvckup. You can also use another free program called SyncToy, made by Microsoft. If you need installation files for either, let me know. Bvckup is not completely accessible but is doable with JAWS cursor maneuvering. Joe -- Musings of a Work in Progress: www.JoeOrozco.com/ Twitter: @ScribblingJoe -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of justin via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 10:22 AM To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: justin Subject: [nabs-l] backing up files How do you folks back of files besides an external harddrive? I'm using JAWS. Justin _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com From jsoro620 at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 19:34:56 2016 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 15:34:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] College research in seeking input In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006801d1d62b$253a2380$6fae6a80$@gmail.com> Hi Taylor, Sometimes I feel I'm in the minority on this subject. It makes total sense to move to a warmer state for health conditions. However, I've never been a big fan of narrowing the scope on universities based on the quality of their disability services. That may sound a little counterintuitive. Wouldn't it make sense to go somewhere where your tests will be administered without issue, things embossed, etc.? And yet remember the step after college is likely the job market. Unless you're working in the blindness or general disability field, it's unlikely the office will come ready with special accommodations already built in, so college could provide a perfect training ground when it really will be up to you to procure Braille, screen reading software and so forth. The disability service at my undergrad at Texas State was mediocre at best. I sometimes felt jealous of my friends at the University of Texas or Texas A&M where the offices were both larger and far more accommodating. Yet I did not strike out into the real world feeling at a disadvantage. Would I have enjoyed the better services? Absolutely, but dealing with mediocre service also taught me how to be a better advocate. When I went to grad school, my program was held off campus; therefore, I never even dropped in on the disability office. It's funny because on graduation day one of their representatives came up to me and was appalled I had never once called on them to administer anything, not even my comps at the end of the program. Now, that was my experience. I would never suggest you need to do the same because I did it that way. My only point is that accommodations are things you can usually work out no matter where you go. The bigger consideration, in my personal opinion, should be the quality of the program you're interested in pursuing. Does a school possess the strength to give you a good preparation for your chosen field? That's the kind of characteristic more likely to have a lasting impact on your future. That consideration could then be followed by the pedestrian accessibility of the campus in relation to off campus amenities. Is the area safe? Does the school have a decent career services office for job search after graduation? If they have all that and also happen to boast an excellent disability services office, so much the better. Anyway, just a few thoughts worth considering. Best, Joe -- Musings of a Work in Progress: www.JoeOrozco.com/ Twitter: @ScribblingJoe -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Taylor Arndt via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:23 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Taylor Arndt Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College research in seeking input Thank you, and I will do that. I'm planning to make a whole bunch of phone calls this week but also I have to deal with the problem of state residency this should be very fun Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 3, 2016, at 9:00 PM, Kenia Flores via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Taylor, > > Unfortunately, I am not familiar with any universities in Florida. I > recently graduated high school and went through the college search and > application process. I would strongly urge you to explore the website > of disability services at the schools you are considering. I did that > and found it extremely helpful. You can also try to contact someone at > the university who can answer any questions you may have. I hope this > helps. > > Best, > Kenia > >> On 7/3/16, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L wrote: >> Hi, >> >> So I am starting to do college research, and I think I'm going to go >> out-of-state. I live in Michigan, but winters are very hard for me to >> handle due to some other problems. So does anybody know what >> universities in Florida have a good disability services offices? >> Thank you and I appreciate all input that I'm given as I don't know >> any of the colleges >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kenia.flores101%4 >> 0gmail.com > > > -- > Sincerely, > Kenia Flores > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/taylorarndt99%40gm > ail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 23:00:38 2016 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 19:00:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] I have a fear that I've lost confidence in myself. In-Reply-To: <032c01d1d46f$e5409b90$afc1d2b0$@gmail.com> References: <6FD311BC-E95D-4370-84FD-DEC3E7B18E74@gmail.com> <54D1F9FF-6C2C-43A9-AAD2-738C9746A111@gmail.com> <032501d1d46b$bf23d200$3d6b7600$@gmail.com> <8E8D8BDA-862C-4E5B-9D37-A43642F63992@gmail.com> <032c01d1d46f$e5409b90$afc1d2b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Maria and all, I've never been to an NFB center-or any training center for that matter, but I've had to learn a lot of independent living skills on my own through trial and error. Much of this learning happened when I was living away from home because in my home my parents were unintentionally sheltering me a bit from learning what I needed to know. I think that although this is a very frustrating situation for us as blind people trying to gain independence, it is important to remember that as misguided as these actions are they are well-intended. Justin is exactly right about starting with baby steps. Maybe if sandwitches or salads are too small for your taste you could do something else simple enough to make. For me in my sophomore year it was grilled cheeses on the stove top since I had never really used it before. Start practicing when she's out and unable to get in your way or stop you. If you do it at times when she'll be gone for longer, you'll have the freedom to also make any mistakes and learn from them, refresh on your center training without feeling rushed, etc. One thing I did once I felt more comfortable with food prep at school was start showing my family what I could do. I found that even if mom called while I was cooking chicken for dinner or dad knew I was picking up stuff at the store to make a dish for a party that they didn't see or taste my cooking for themselves. They only really stopped badgering me about cooking after I just took over the kitchen a few times and produced food with good results. I still take advantage of them being out of the house sometimes to do this, but when they come home to discover a pan of fresh brownies on the stove and see that I haven't burned myself or singed anything in our house, they just enjoy the food like they would if my sighted brother or sister had made it. Maybe you can just decide to make the dinner for you and your mom one night so she doesn't have to cook it when she comes home. I'm sure that would come across as a nice gesture at the least, and it would be a way to get your foot in the door to cook more regularly. I think sometimes our families need to see we can do things without them because our whole lives, especially if they're our parents, they have been used to doing things for us. That being said, I can empathize with how confidence can ebb and flow. For me it is very frustrating living in my parents house over the summer because I'm very cut off from public transportation in my part of town. I'm even outside of paratransit zoning for my city, so I have no way to independently leave my suburb unless I take an Oober. I do much better at my college where I can use a combination of fixed route bussing, university shuttles, and paratransit or oober to get around, but at some points I just feel like I have cabin fever/can't go anywhere really because I'm so cut off back at home. I get my parents were more concerned with the schools and the neighborhood when we moved where we are and I was too young for them to think about me independently traveling much of anywhere, but sometimes I wish they would have taken the bus lines into consideration. I know my neighborhood well enough to walk to a convenience store/a few restaurants/places like a playground and the library, but especially since we're right off a highway exit that's about all there is. Good luck! On 7/2/16, justin via NABS-L wrote: > Right, but just get your rhythm back. Then, when you have sated your > appatite, then take your time and practice. > Give yourself a little breathing room. > Maybe you can practice when she is not around. > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mariya > Vasileva > via NABS-L > Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 10:09 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Mariya Vasileva > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] I have a fear that I've lost confidence in myself. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 2, 2016, at 09:12, justin via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Start with baby steps first. Make a sandwitch, or make a shake. Get a >> braille cookbook. >> You'll get to experiment more when you get out on your own. >> Use a crock pot and cook something in that. >> Wash off a sweet potato, and heat it in the microwave. >> Those are just a few ideas. >> Make it easy, you want layups and slam dunks right now; make it easy >> on yourself and don't cook something involved. >> Justin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mariya >> Vasileva via NABS-L >> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 5:33 PM >> To: sandragayer7 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students >> mailing list >> Cc: Mariya Vasileva >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] I have a fear that I've lost confidence in myself. >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Jul 2, 2016, at 14:32, Sandra Gayer via NABS-L >>>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello Mariya, You're not the only visually impaired person to feel >>> like that in new surroundings. With me, it's mobility. That's always >>> the most difficult piece of the puzzle to acquire in a new building >>> or living space. Did you make notes during your training about ways >>> of conducting yourself which would transfer over to different >>> cookers, for example? >>> >>> You know what they say about confidence? Just pretend you've got some >>> for a bit and something will spark! >>> >>> Very best wishes, >>> Sandra. >>> >>>> On 7/2/16, Mariya Vasileva via NABS-L wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> Hi all. Let me start off by saying that I am a proud graduate of >>>> blind >> inc! >>>> With that being said, I am proud of the skills and confidence I've >>>> gained. I do believe though, I've lost some of that confidence since >>>> my graduation due to the business of college. Spacifically in the >>>> area of cooking, ever my mom came came to live with me, I've relied >>>> on her for this, and that's part of my issue. But is that really it? >>>> I feel like I'm starting from scratch like my training was worthless. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40g >>>> m >>>> ail.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Soprano Singer >>> www.sandragayer.com >>> >>> Broadcast Presenter >>> >>> www.insightradio.co.uk/music-box.html >>> >>> Voiceover Artist >>> >>> www.archangelvoices.co.uk/content/sandra-gayer >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mkvnfb94%40gmail. >>> c >>> om >> No, I didn't. I focused on my studies over the last year, and I didn't >> do much cooking. When I recently got in to it, I've done mistakes then >> fully focused production, which leads me to believe this. Plus, I feel >> like my mom is giving me the impression that my training was worthless. >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 >> 0gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mkvnfb94%40gmail.c >> om > The thing is, I've done all that in training, it's just when I dove in to > my > classes and my mom came to live with me, I slacked. Now, I'm cutting not > straight, saute meat like as if it's my first time, wrap something in dough > with much more mistake than done right, I light a gas stove and apparently > only get just gas and not flame on low and fkr all this, I get criticised > and lectured for all this like it's my first time. And to top it all off, I > vet told that my training was worthless and that while there, I didn't have > a cooking class. > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti Shelton From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Tue Jul 5 02:41:47 2016 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 22:41:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook security Message-ID: Hi all, I know this isn't academic or school-related, but I'm wondering how you all screen for potentially fake or malicious facebook accounts in your friend requests. Sometimes I find it difficult to figure out if the request is coming from someone I know who just has their privacy settings set high, or if it is a copy of that person's account that is being controled by a pirate. For example: I just got a request tonight from a woman I've known for a long time. I've seen her on facebook before in my suggested friends but didn't make the move to friend her myself as I was volunteering in a semi-professional capacity under her. When I got the request from her I couldn't see any of the details I would have expected to see on her profile, but I wasn't sure if it was a privacy thing or if it was fake. I searched and found that someone had created a second account, but I couldn't go by mutual friends to figure out which one was real as mutual friends had apparently friended this other account. I ended up accepting, quickly looking at the profile, and deciding it was a fake before I quickly unfriended again. I know sighted people use pictures to figure out very easily if accounts are fake or not, but obviously we don't have that option. Furthermore, it is hard when the person being hacked is blind because not all blind people choose to even use profile and cover photos on their real facebook pages, making them look like they might be the fake account when they are not. I really don't want to be friending these pirates and playing russian roulette because I know that compromises your own account security, and while I don't post a lot on facebook I do use it for messaging so I wouldn't want to be hacked myself. I'll be interested to hear the methods you all use. Thanks. From dandrews at visi.com Tue Jul 5 02:54:35 2016 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2016 21:54:35 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] test In-Reply-To: <006001d1d60b$67efad00$37cf0700$@com> References: <006001d1d60b$67efad00$37cf0700$@com> Message-ID: Gmail doesn't show you copies of your posts, so it looks like it didn't go out. Dave At 10:47 AM 7/4/2016, you wrote: >Hey > > Wondering if people get this. Sent something last night and not sure if it >went through. > > Thanks. > > Sam From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Wed Jul 6 16:41:42 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 12:41:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] College research in seeking input Message-ID: <577d34da.c49a240a.87ad6.362f@mx.google.com> Hi Taylor thanks for your message. UCF has an excellent office that accommodates the needs of students with disabilities. Each semester I get my books ahead of time so I can start reading before classes begin. From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Wed Jul 6 16:41:41 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 12:41:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A story Message-ID: <577d34d8.c49a240a.87ad6.362e@mx.google.com> Hi Abby thanks for your message. I think you did everything the right way. Sometimes it helps others to see blind people doing things on their own. From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Wed Jul 6 16:41:38 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 12:41:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] I have a fear that I've lost confidence in myself. Message-ID: <577d34d6.c49a240a.87ad6.362c@mx.google.com> Hi Maria thanks for your message. I often feel like I have lost confidence in certain areas as well. Since my return from Summer camp in 2010 I have tried to regain some of my independence. When I first started attending UCf I learned the route from the parking lot to the library. By the time I began my first internship I was able to walk from the parking lot to the library on my own. You will gain your confidence with time. From kestomberg at coe.edu Wed Jul 6 16:57:50 2016 From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 12:57:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] College research in seeking input In-Reply-To: <577d34da.c49a240a.87ad6.362f@mx.google.com> References: <577d34da.c49a240a.87ad6.362f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <6E0FBE1A-1190-4026-8B18-13351BA8421D@coe.edu> Hello! I would like to take this time to say that I absolutely agree with Joe! There are a billion and one things to consider when researching colleges. What is Financial Aid like? Is it smabbl or large? Does it have the program you want to pursue? Are the people friendly? Will you be happy there? For me, Disabbility Services was a very minor component of my college search. I figured that no matter what, I would find a way to work with the DSS office. I'm glad I didn't think about it too much. The DSS Office is fantastic now, but when I first went to college, it was not as good as it could have been. I'm glad that this gave me the opportunity to advocate for my needs. I feel that this makes me better prepared for my future. I hope I didn't overwhelm you! Just some things to think about. :) Good luck in your college search! Kennedy Kennedy Stomberg (218)295-2391 > On Jul 6, 2016, at 12:41 PM, roanna bacchus via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Taylor thanks for your message. UCF has an excellent office that accommodates the needs of students with disabilities. Each semester I get my books ahead of time so I can start reading before classes begin. > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu From christgirl813 at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 02:48:09 2016 From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 21:48:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight Message-ID: What are some ways that blind people can do to lose weight? The exercise videos I'm finding are so visual on Youtube. Can anyone help? From kcj21 at bellsouth.net Thu Jul 7 04:36:50 2016 From: kcj21 at bellsouth.net (Kaley Jemison) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 00:36:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Kayla, the majority of weight loss comes from changing your diet. Try giving up sodas and juices and only drink water. Eat healthier, smaller meals, and foods high in fiber. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 6, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Kayla James via NABS-L wrote: > > What are some ways that blind people can do to lose weight? The > exercise videos I'm finding are so visual on Youtube. Can anyone help? > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth.net From sandragayer7 at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 07:48:45 2016 From: sandragayer7 at gmail.com (Sandra Gayer) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 08:48:45 +0100 Subject: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Kayla, There is a range of audio workouts designed for blind and partially sighted people on a website called Blind Alive: www.blindalive.com They explain everything and there are no pictures or visuals of any kind. If you don't mind spending a small amount of money, I'd recommend it. Very best wishes, Sandra. On 7/7/16, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L wrote: > Hi Kayla, the majority of weight loss comes from changing your diet. Try > giving up sodas and juices and only drink water. Eat healthier, smaller > meals, and foods high in fiber. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 6, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Kayla James via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> What are some ways that blind people can do to lose weight? The >> exercise videos I'm finding are so visual on Youtube. Can anyone help? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth.net > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gmail.com > -- Soprano Singer www.sandragayer.com Broadcast Presenter www.insightradio.co.uk/music-box.html Voiceover Artist www.archangelvoices.co.uk/content/sandra-gayer From christgirl813 at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 10:21:20 2016 From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 05:21:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, I know about diet. I'm taking the President's Challenge to try and help and I do my best to follow the USDA's dietary guidelines. On 7/6/16, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L wrote: > Hi Kayla, the majority of weight loss comes from changing your diet. Try > giving up sodas and juices and only drink water. Eat healthier, smaller > meals, and foods high in fiber. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 6, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Kayla James via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> What are some ways that blind people can do to lose weight? The >> exercise videos I'm finding are so visual on Youtube. Can anyone help? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth.net > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com > From jsoro620 at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 10:57:10 2016 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 06:57:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Our members out in Colorado run a company called We Fit Wellness. Among other services, they sell a thumb drive with a training program and relevant literature. I think it's something like twenty dollars, and while I cannot personally testify to how well it's laid out, as I've not yet seen the content, I have spoken to several people who found the program very useful. They also run a podcast. WeFitWellness.com is their website. My own recommendations would be to: 1. Drink plenty of water. Drinking water especially before meals will cut down on larger appetites. 2. Try to break up your day so that you're not sitting still for extended periods. I'm not a huge fan of these seven and two-minute workouts people love, but if you buy into them, they're one way to break up the routine. 3. Do not eat before going to bed to give your body a greater chance of burning calories. 4. Consider breaking up the three traditional meals into six or so smaller snacking breaks so that you're never feeling really hungry. 5. I just read about this yesterday, not sure if it's true, but apparently eating grapefruits in the morning helps speed up your metabolism. 6. Gym memberships are only as good as your willingness to use them. Putting aside considerations of accessible equipment, I find machines can be more detrimental than free weights or basic calisthenics because of their rigidity in movement. I have never injured muscles doing basic exercises with tools like stretch bands. Also, if you get into the habit of using your own weight to power through workout routines, you're more likely to keep up your regiment when you travel. I'm generally wary of the latest trends in health and wellness. After a while it all starts to sound like gimmicks, but I've learned the best programs to follow are those that will not completely deprive you of the food you enjoy. The point is never to punish yourself but rather to get you feeling more comfortable with making reasonable sacrifices to keep your body healthy. I hope that helps, Joe On 7/7/16, Kayla James via NABS-L wrote: > Yes, I know about diet. I'm taking the President's Challenge to try > and help and I do my best to follow the USDA's dietary guidelines. > > On 7/6/16, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L wrote: >> Hi Kayla, the majority of weight loss comes from changing your diet. Try >> giving up sodas and juices and only drink water. Eat healthier, smaller >> meals, and foods high in fiber. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Kayla James via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> What are some ways that blind people can do to lose weight? The >>> exercise videos I'm finding are so visual on Youtube. Can anyone help? >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com > From christgirl813 at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 11:15:19 2016 From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 06:15:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It does. I'm not sure about joining a health club or anything like that, unless I can find a sport in my area. Other than that, I'd rather exercise at home. I like calisthenics, too, and I try doing them and walking and sometimes trying to dance. I'm just worried I won't lose weight. I guess it's a vanity thing. I want to lose a certain amount of weight before school starts up. It would be nice to purchase smaller sizes and feel pretty again. But now, health problems have cropped up in my family, so, of course, I want to be healthy, too. Anyway, thank you for helping, guys. Sorry for ranting. On 7/7/16, Joe Orozco via NABS-L wrote: > Our members out in Colorado run a company called We Fit Wellness. > Among other services, they sell a thumb drive with a training program > and relevant literature. I think it's something like twenty dollars, > and while I cannot personally testify to how well it's laid out, as > I've not yet seen the content, I have spoken to several people who > found the program very useful. They also run a podcast. > WeFitWellness.com is their website. > > My own recommendations would be to: > > 1. Drink plenty of water. Drinking water especially before meals will > cut down on larger appetites. > > 2. Try to break up your day so that you're not sitting still for > extended periods. I'm not a huge fan of these seven and two-minute > workouts people love, but if you buy into them, they're one way to > break up the routine. > > 3. Do not eat before going to bed to give your body a greater chance > of burning calories. > > 4. Consider breaking up the three traditional meals into six or so > smaller snacking breaks so that you're never feeling really hungry. > > 5. I just read about this yesterday, not sure if it's true, but > apparently eating grapefruits in the morning helps speed up your > metabolism. > > 6. Gym memberships are only as good as your willingness to use them. > Putting aside considerations of accessible equipment, I find machines > can be more detrimental than free weights or basic calisthenics > because of their rigidity in movement. I have never injured muscles > doing basic exercises with tools like stretch bands. Also, if you get > into the habit of using your own weight to power through workout > routines, you're more likely to keep up your regiment when you travel. > > I'm generally wary of the latest trends in health and wellness. After > a while it all starts to sound like gimmicks, but I've learned the > best programs to follow are those that will not completely deprive you > of the food you enjoy. The point is never to punish yourself but > rather to get you feeling more comfortable with making reasonable > sacrifices to keep your body healthy. > > I hope that helps, > > Joe > > > On 7/7/16, Kayla James via NABS-L wrote: >> Yes, I know about diet. I'm taking the President's Challenge to try >> and help and I do my best to follow the USDA's dietary guidelines. >> >> On 7/6/16, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L wrote: >>> Hi Kayla, the majority of weight loss comes from changing your diet. Try >>> giving up sodas and juices and only drink water. Eat healthier, smaller >>> meals, and foods high in fiber. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Kayla James via NABS-L >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> What are some ways that blind people can do to lose weight? The >>>> exercise videos I'm finding are so visual on Youtube. Can anyone help? >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com > From sgermano at asu.edu Thu Jul 7 12:36:23 2016 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 07:36:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am not totally blind but when I wanted to lose weight I changed my diet and then started lifting weights. I actually ended up being a top national level competitive bodybuilder. Most gyms have personal trainers that can teach you and help with the layout of the gym. Also you could get a workout partner. Most people who lift like to workout with a partner. Suzanne On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L wrote: > Hi Kayla, the majority of weight loss comes from changing your diet. Try > giving up sodas and juices and only drink water. Eat healthier, smaller > meals, and foods high in fiber. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 6, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Kayla James via NABS-L > wrote: > > > > What are some ways that blind people can do to lose weight? The > > exercise videos I'm finding are so visual on Youtube. Can anyone help? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth.net > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 12:44:11 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 08:44:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I like to walk on treadmill. Sent from my iPad > On Jul 7, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L wrote: > > I am not totally blind but when I wanted to lose weight I changed my diet > and then started lifting weights. I actually ended up being a top national > level competitive bodybuilder. Most gyms have personal trainers that can > teach you and help with the layout of the gym. Also you could get a workout > partner. Most people who lift like to workout with a partner. > > Suzanne > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L > wrote: > >> Hi Kayla, the majority of weight loss comes from changing your diet. Try >> giving up sodas and juices and only drink water. Eat healthier, smaller >> meals, and foods high in fiber. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Kayla James via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> What are some ways that blind people can do to lose weight? The >>> exercise videos I'm finding are so visual on Youtube. Can anyone help? >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com From christgirl813 at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 12:56:39 2016 From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 07:56:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Don't you have to give up certain foods to do bodybuilding? Like, important ones like fruit and dairy. On 7/7/16, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L wrote: > I like to walk on treadmill. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Jul 7, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> I am not totally blind but when I wanted to lose weight I changed my diet >> and then started lifting weights. I actually ended up being a top >> national >> level competitive bodybuilder. Most gyms have personal trainers that can >> teach you and help with the layout of the gym. Also you could get a >> workout >> partner. Most people who lift like to workout with a partner. >> >> Suzanne >> >> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L >> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Kayla, the majority of weight loss comes from changing your diet. Try >>> giving up sodas and juices and only drink water. Eat healthier, smaller >>> meals, and foods high in fiber. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Kayla James via NABS-L >>>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> What are some ways that blind people can do to lose weight? The >>>> exercise videos I'm finding are so visual on Youtube. Can anyone help? >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com > From sgermano at asu.edu Thu Jul 7 13:19:44 2016 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 08:19:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I only gave those up for part of the 12 - 16 weeks that i dieted for competition. When trying to get into contest shape you need to eat only unprocessed food and those that do not raise blood sugar. I did every a free day every two weeks so i did have dairy then. On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Kayla James via NABS-L wrote: > Don't you have to give up certain foods to do bodybuilding? Like, > important ones like fruit and dairy. > > On 7/7/16, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L > > wrote: > > I like to walk on treadmill. > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > >> On Jul 7, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L < > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >> wrote: > >> > >> I am not totally blind but when I wanted to lose weight I changed my > diet > >> and then started lifting weights. I actually ended up being a top > >> national > >> level competitive bodybuilder. Most gyms have personal trainers that can > >> teach you and help with the layout of the gym. Also you could get a > >> workout > >> partner. Most people who lift like to workout with a partner. > >> > >> Suzanne > >> > >> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L > >> > >>> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Kayla, the majority of weight loss comes from changing your diet. > Try > >>> giving up sodas and juices and only drink water. Eat healthier, smaller > >>> meals, and foods high in fiber. > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>>>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Kayla James via NABS-L > >>>>> > > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> What are some ways that blind people can do to lose weight? The > >>>> exercise videos I'm finding are so visual on Youtube. Can anyone help? > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> NABS-L mailing list > >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> NABS-L: > >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth.net > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> NABS-L mailing list > >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> NABS-L: > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NABS-L mailing list > >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> NABS-L: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > NABS-L: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From jsoro620 at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 14:25:23 2016 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:25:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Suzanne brings up a great point. There are, as far as I know, four types of exercise: endurance, strength, balance, and flexibility. Certain exercises have the benefit of cross-applying to different types of training. Weight lifting would naturally best serve strength, but if what you're looking for is a means to drop weight to fit into certain clothes, endurance could be your focus for its ability to improve your circulatory system and generally improve your fitness. There are multiple activities you could tackle for endurance. Someone mentioned the treadmill. I enjoy using that but prefer the elliptical myself. Regardless, the idea here is not just to get on the machine and walk for fifteen minutes or so. Move at a fast clip to actually give your body a good workout. Otherwise you're better off strolling around the neighborhood and enjoy a better scenery. What I sometimes do is hop on, get into a fast jog for a couple minutes, then spend the next few minutes going full out sprint. Get your heart rate and lungs working overtime. Dial it back to catch your breath and then crank it up again for a good cardio routine. Of course, remember to keep it within your ability. Don't overdo any of it, and drink plenty of water. There are other activities you can do for endurance. Mowing the lawn, raking and digging can knock out chores around the house and provide a great workout. You can also dance, swim, and climb stairs or hills. If you can find someone to go tandem biking with, that can be a perfect endurance exercise. If you do lift weights, remember to give your muscles a chance to recuperate. Focus on specific muscles on different days of the week. The only part of the body I'm aware of that you can exercise every day without strain is the abdomen. Yeah, it's going to feel awful the first few days, but once your abdominal muscles become acclimated, you will not feel anywhere near as sore. My own workout routine rarely goes beyond half an hour and usually hovers around twenty minutes. I do a mix of sit-ups, pushups, burpees, lunges, squats, and planks. I'll usually wrap it up with a go at the elliptical machine. Whatever you do, find the routine that best fits your ability and your schedule. Three times a week is usually sufficient. I am not at all a fitness expert. I read enough articles and talked to enough enthusiasts to figure out how to do things right but then developed the regiment that best serves my lifestyle. And, while exercise can go a long way in helping you feel better about your image, don't forget to make health and fitness the primary purpose for working out. Do it for your own peace of mind and not for the purpose of looking a certain way because that could become a steep hill. If we think about it that way, there's usually something else and something else beyond that we feel we need to do to fit someone else's image of what we ought to look like. Good luck! Joe On 7/7/16, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L wrote: > I only gave those up for part of the 12 - 16 weeks that i dieted for > competition. When trying to get into contest shape you need to eat only > unprocessed food and those that do not raise blood sugar. I did every a > free day every two weeks so i did have dairy then. > > On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Kayla James via NABS-L > wrote: > >> Don't you have to give up certain foods to do bodybuilding? Like, >> important ones like fruit and dairy. >> >> On 7/7/16, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L > >> wrote: >> > I like to walk on treadmill. >> > >> > Sent from my iPad >> > >> >> On Jul 7, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L < >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> I am not totally blind but when I wanted to lose weight I changed my >> diet >> >> and then started lifting weights. I actually ended up being a top >> >> national >> >> level competitive bodybuilder. Most gyms have personal trainers that >> >> can >> >> teach you and help with the layout of the gym. Also you could get a >> >> workout >> >> partner. Most people who lift like to workout with a partner. >> >> >> >> Suzanne >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L >> >> >> >>> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hi Kayla, the majority of weight loss comes from changing your diet. >> Try >> >>> giving up sodas and juices and only drink water. Eat healthier, >> >>> smaller >> >>> meals, and foods high in fiber. >> >>> >> >>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> >> >>>>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Kayla James via NABS-L >> >>>>> > >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> What are some ways that blind people can do to lose weight? The >> >>>> exercise videos I'm finding are so visual on Youtube. Can anyone >> >>>> help? >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> NABS-L mailing list >> >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >>>> for >> >>> NABS-L: >> >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth.net >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> NABS-L mailing list >> >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>> NABS-L: >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> NABS-L mailing list >> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> NABS-L: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > NABS-L mailing list >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > NABS-L: >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com > From danielle.montour1 at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 16:31:22 2016 From: danielle.montour1 at gmail.com (Danielle Montour) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 12:31:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Kayla, What Joe mentioned about endurance is absolutely spot on, As was his point regarding having 5 to 6 mini meals a day as opposed to three large ones. As a young woman who routinely gets looked at by men followed by the exclamation, "Damn, she's thick!,"I want to make sure to set a few things Straight. The first thing that stood out to me was when you associated the word pretty with the word small. Sometimes, healthy bodies aren't tiny. For years, I looked very much like a gymnast. Then, I started developing a lot (and I do mean a lot) of muscle. After four intense years of struggling with my own image, I have come to realize that what is healthy for others May not be healthy for me. I need a lot of fuel, and in my life, it means not being a size two. Please remember during your weight-loss journey that you may never be as small as you once were and that this doesn't constitute as a failure. When you embark on this journey, please do it for yourself and not for the image you once had or wish you had now. That is so important, because being cute, pretty, sexy, or beautiful isn't exclusive to being big or small. The second is that, If given the opportunity, your body will let you know what it needs and what it doesn't. It will let you know when it is hungry and when it no longer needs food. It will let you know when it is tired and when it has enough energy to do an extra lap. It will let you know if it has been overworked to the extreme and when it just has a healthy burn. Take time to listen. Each and everyone of these methods for weight-loss are highly individualized based on what your body needs. Beyond this, people in this conversation, particularly Joe, have said everything I otherwise would. As someone who has been where you are now, I will be cheering you on every step of the way. Best of luck, beautiful. Danielle Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 7, 2016, at 10:25, Joe Orozco via NABS-L wrote: > > Suzanne brings up a great point. There are, as far as I know, four > types of exercise: endurance, strength, balance, and flexibility. > Certain exercises have the benefit of cross-applying to different > types of training. Weight lifting would naturally best serve strength, > but if what you're looking for is a means to drop weight to fit into > certain clothes, endurance could be your focus for its ability to > improve your circulatory system and generally improve your fitness. > > There are multiple activities you could tackle for endurance. Someone > mentioned the treadmill. I enjoy using that but prefer the elliptical > myself. Regardless, the idea here is not just to get on the machine > and walk for fifteen minutes or so. Move at a fast clip to actually > give your body a good workout. Otherwise you're better off strolling > around the neighborhood and enjoy a better scenery. What I sometimes > do is hop on, get into a fast jog for a couple minutes, then spend the > next few minutes going full out sprint. Get your heart rate and lungs > working overtime. Dial it back to catch your breath and then crank it > up again for a good cardio routine. Of course, remember to keep it > within your ability. Don't overdo any of it, and drink plenty of > water. > > There are other activities you can do for endurance. Mowing the lawn, > raking and digging can knock out chores around the house and provide a > great workout. You can also dance, swim, and climb stairs or hills. If > you can find someone to go tandem biking with, that can be a perfect > endurance exercise. > > If you do lift weights, remember to give your muscles a chance to > recuperate. Focus on specific muscles on different days of the week. > The only part of the body I'm aware of that you can exercise every day > without strain is the abdomen. Yeah, it's going to feel awful the > first few days, but once your abdominal muscles become acclimated, you > will not feel anywhere near as sore. > > My own workout routine rarely goes beyond half an hour and usually > hovers around twenty minutes. I do a mix of sit-ups, pushups, burpees, > lunges, squats, and planks. I'll usually wrap it up with a go at the > elliptical machine. > > Whatever you do, find the routine that best fits your ability and your > schedule. Three times a week is usually sufficient. I am not at all a > fitness expert. I read enough articles and talked to enough > enthusiasts to figure out how to do things right but then developed > the regiment that best serves my lifestyle. And, while exercise can go > a long way in helping you feel better about your image, don't forget > to make health and fitness the primary purpose for working out. Do it > for your own peace of mind and not for the purpose of looking a > certain way because that could become a steep hill. If we think about > it that way, there's usually something else and something else beyond > that we feel we need to do to fit someone else's image of what we > ought to look like. > > Good luck! > > Joe > > >> On 7/7/16, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L wrote: >> I only gave those up for part of the 12 - 16 weeks that i dieted for >> competition. When trying to get into contest shape you need to eat only >> unprocessed food and those that do not raise blood sugar. I did every a >> free day every two weeks so i did have dairy then. >> >> On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Kayla James via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >>> Don't you have to give up certain foods to do bodybuilding? Like, >>> important ones like fruit and dairy. >>> >>> On 7/7/16, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L > >>> wrote: >>>> I like to walk on treadmill. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>>> On Jul 7, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L < >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I am not totally blind but when I wanted to lose weight I changed my >>> diet >>>>> and then started lifting weights. I actually ended up being a top >>>>> national >>>>> level competitive bodybuilder. Most gyms have personal trainers that >>>>> can >>>>> teach you and help with the layout of the gym. Also you could get a >>>>> workout >>>>> partner. Most people who lift like to workout with a partner. >>>>> >>>>> Suzanne >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L >>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Kayla, the majority of weight loss comes from changing your diet. >>> Try >>>>>> giving up sodas and juices and only drink water. Eat healthier, >>>>>> smaller >>>>>> meals, and foods high in fiber. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Kayla James via NABS-L >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What are some ways that blind people can do to lose weight? The >>>>>>> exercise videos I'm finding are so visual on Youtube. Can anyone >>>>>>> help? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth.net >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montour1%40gmail.com From alpineimagination at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 17:35:33 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 10:35:33 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille Message-ID: <577e92e7.4e18620a.5c4ed.ffffb929@mx.google.com> Hi All, I was wondering if anyone at convention who went to the exhibit hall, saw the Neo-Braille, presented by Irie AT. It is a notetaker that is so new that many people have not heard of it. In fact, I never heard it announced anywhere else at convention, so if I hadn't gone to their table I probably never would have heard about it myself. If you did see it, I would appreciate it if you could tell me your opinion on it and whether you feel it would make a good notetaker. I currently have a Braille note and am looking within the next year of either getting the one I just described, or a Braille sense U 2. Thanks. Vejas From kmaent1 at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 17:46:57 2016 From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 13:46:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille Message-ID: <577e959a.5229810a.c631b.0c5f@mx.google.com> Yes I did see it. The guy from Irie didn't know much about how the software or user interface works (Irie is only the distributor not the manufacturer), so I don't know how efficient it is to actually use. It is less expensive than the Braillenote Touch though with significantly better memory, processor speed, and running a newer version of Android, and most importantly for me will have the option of a qwerty smart case, so I am very excited to learn more once it actually comes on the market at the end of the month. ----- Original Message ----- From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L References: <577e959a.5229810a.c631b.0c5f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <007301d1d7b5$790d4420$6b27cc60$@gmail.com> How does it stack up to the braille sense u2? Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 1:47 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Karl Martin Adam Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille Yes I did see it. The guy from Irie didn't know much about how the software or user interface works (Irie is only the distributor not the manufacturer), so I don't know how efficient it is to actually use. It is less expensive than the Braillenote Touch though with significantly better memory, processor speed, and running a newer version of Android, and most importantly for me will have the option of a qwerty smart case, so I am very excited to learn more once it actually comes on the market at the end of the month. ----- Original Message ----- From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L >From what I gathered at the exhibit hall, both this new notetaker and the Braille sense have lots more capabilities than the Braillenote Apex does, which is what I have. I didn't really like the Braillenote touch because of the touch screen; it may appeal to a lot of people though. I know that it has a cover with a keyboard, but it makes it heavier than the Apex. Vejas ----- Original Message ----- From: justin via NABS-L References: Message-ID: Thanks, guys. I suppose I have quite a few confidence issues I need to figure out. On 7/7/16, Joe Orozco via NABS-L wrote: > Suzanne brings up a great point. There are, as far as I know, four > types of exercise: endurance, strength, balance, and flexibility. > Certain exercises have the benefit of cross-applying to different > types of training. Weight lifting would naturally best serve strength, > but if what you're looking for is a means to drop weight to fit into > certain clothes, endurance could be your focus for its ability to > improve your circulatory system and generally improve your fitness. > > There are multiple activities you could tackle for endurance. Someone > mentioned the treadmill. I enjoy using that but prefer the elliptical > myself. Regardless, the idea here is not just to get on the machine > and walk for fifteen minutes or so. Move at a fast clip to actually > give your body a good workout. Otherwise you're better off strolling > around the neighborhood and enjoy a better scenery. What I sometimes > do is hop on, get into a fast jog for a couple minutes, then spend the > next few minutes going full out sprint. Get your heart rate and lungs > working overtime. Dial it back to catch your breath and then crank it > up again for a good cardio routine. Of course, remember to keep it > within your ability. Don't overdo any of it, and drink plenty of > water. > > There are other activities you can do for endurance. Mowing the lawn, > raking and digging can knock out chores around the house and provide a > great workout. You can also dance, swim, and climb stairs or hills. If > you can find someone to go tandem biking with, that can be a perfect > endurance exercise. > > If you do lift weights, remember to give your muscles a chance to > recuperate. Focus on specific muscles on different days of the week. > The only part of the body I'm aware of that you can exercise every day > without strain is the abdomen. Yeah, it's going to feel awful the > first few days, but once your abdominal muscles become acclimated, you > will not feel anywhere near as sore. > > My own workout routine rarely goes beyond half an hour and usually > hovers around twenty minutes. I do a mix of sit-ups, pushups, burpees, > lunges, squats, and planks. I'll usually wrap it up with a go at the > elliptical machine. > > Whatever you do, find the routine that best fits your ability and your > schedule. Three times a week is usually sufficient. I am not at all a > fitness expert. I read enough articles and talked to enough > enthusiasts to figure out how to do things right but then developed > the regiment that best serves my lifestyle. And, while exercise can go > a long way in helping you feel better about your image, don't forget > to make health and fitness the primary purpose for working out. Do it > for your own peace of mind and not for the purpose of looking a > certain way because that could become a steep hill. If we think about > it that way, there's usually something else and something else beyond > that we feel we need to do to fit someone else's image of what we > ought to look like. > > Good luck! > > Joe > > > On 7/7/16, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L wrote: >> I only gave those up for part of the 12 - 16 weeks that i dieted for >> competition. When trying to get into contest shape you need to eat only >> unprocessed food and those that do not raise blood sugar. I did every a >> free day every two weeks so i did have dairy then. >> >> On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Kayla James via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >>> Don't you have to give up certain foods to do bodybuilding? Like, >>> important ones like fruit and dairy. >>> >>> On 7/7/16, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L > >>> wrote: >>> > I like to walk on treadmill. >>> > >>> > Sent from my iPad >>> > >>> >> On Jul 7, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L < >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> I am not totally blind but when I wanted to lose weight I changed my >>> diet >>> >> and then started lifting weights. I actually ended up being a top >>> >> national >>> >> level competitive bodybuilder. Most gyms have personal trainers that >>> >> can >>> >> teach you and help with the layout of the gym. Also you could get a >>> >> workout >>> >> partner. Most people who lift like to workout with a partner. >>> >> >>> >> Suzanne >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L >>> >> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Hi Kayla, the majority of weight loss comes from changing your diet. >>> Try >>> >>> giving up sodas and juices and only drink water. Eat healthier, >>> >>> smaller >>> >>> meals, and foods high in fiber. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> >>>>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Kayla James via NABS-L >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> What are some ways that blind people can do to lose weight? The >>> >>>> exercise videos I'm finding are so visual on Youtube. Can anyone >>> >>>> help? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>> >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> >>>> for >>> >>> NABS-L: >>> >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> >>> for >>> >>> NABS-L: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> NABS-L mailing list >>> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> >> NABS-L: >>> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > NABS-L mailing list >>> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > NABS-L: >>> > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com > From sgermano at asu.edu Thu Jul 7 19:19:01 2016 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 14:19:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It is actually better to use strength training to lose weight over cardiovascular like jogging or ellipticals. Weight training has affects on your cells for several hours adter you workout. Cardio on the other hand only burns while you are doing it. Cardio often actually leads to a slow down of metabolism and loss of muscle. It you prefer not to lift weights than high intensity like plyometrics would be a mych netter choice than tradtional forms of cardio. You can get bands and do a pretty intense workout at home. I have some bands that you can conbime together and get the weight to be 100lbs On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Joe Orozco via NABS-L wrote: > Suzanne brings up a great point. There are, as far as I know, four > types of exercise: endurance, strength, balance, and flexibility. > Certain exercises have the benefit of cross-applying to different > types of training. Weight lifting would naturally best serve strength, > but if what you're looking for is a means to drop weight to fit into > certain clothes, endurance could be your focus for its ability to > improve your circulatory system and generally improve your fitness. > > There are multiple activities you could tackle for endurance. Someone > mentioned the treadmill. I enjoy using that but prefer the elliptical > myself. Regardless, the idea here is not just to get on the machine > and walk for fifteen minutes or so. Move at a fast clip to actually > give your body a good workout. Otherwise you're better off strolling > around the neighborhood and enjoy a better scenery. What I sometimes > do is hop on, get into a fast jog for a couple minutes, then spend the > next few minutes going full out sprint. Get your heart rate and lungs > working overtime. Dial it back to catch your breath and then crank it > up again for a good cardio routine. Of course, remember to keep it > within your ability. Don't overdo any of it, and drink plenty of > water. > > There are other activities you can do for endurance. Mowing the lawn, > raking and digging can knock out chores around the house and provide a > great workout. You can also dance, swim, and climb stairs or hills. If > you can find someone to go tandem biking with, that can be a perfect > endurance exercise. > > If you do lift weights, remember to give your muscles a chance to > recuperate. Focus on specific muscles on different days of the week. > The only part of the body I'm aware of that you can exercise every day > without strain is the abdomen. Yeah, it's going to feel awful the > first few days, but once your abdominal muscles become acclimated, you > will not feel anywhere near as sore. > > My own workout routine rarely goes beyond half an hour and usually > hovers around twenty minutes. I do a mix of sit-ups, pushups, burpees, > lunges, squats, and planks. I'll usually wrap it up with a go at the > elliptical machine. > > Whatever you do, find the routine that best fits your ability and your > schedule. Three times a week is usually sufficient. I am not at all a > fitness expert. I read enough articles and talked to enough > enthusiasts to figure out how to do things right but then developed > the regiment that best serves my lifestyle. And, while exercise can go > a long way in helping you feel better about your image, don't forget > to make health and fitness the primary purpose for working out. Do it > for your own peace of mind and not for the purpose of looking a > certain way because that could become a steep hill. If we think about > it that way, there's usually something else and something else beyond > that we feel we need to do to fit someone else's image of what we > ought to look like. > > Good luck! > > Joe > > > On 7/7/16, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L > > wrote: > > I only gave those up for part of the 12 - 16 weeks that i dieted for > > competition. When trying to get into contest shape you need to eat only > > unprocessed food and those that do not raise blood sugar. I did every a > > free day every two weeks so i did have dairy then. > > > > On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Kayla James via NABS-L > > > wrote: > > > >> Don't you have to give up certain foods to do bodybuilding? Like, > >> important ones like fruit and dairy. > >> > >> On 7/7/16, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L > > > >> wrote: > >> > I like to walk on treadmill. > >> > > >> > Sent from my iPad > >> > > >> >> On Jul 7, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L < > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> I am not totally blind but when I wanted to lose weight I changed my > >> diet > >> >> and then started lifting weights. I actually ended up being a top > >> >> national > >> >> level competitive bodybuilder. Most gyms have personal trainers that > >> >> can > >> >> teach you and help with the layout of the gym. Also you could get a > >> >> workout > >> >> partner. Most people who lift like to workout with a partner. > >> >> > >> >> Suzanne > >> >> > >> >> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L > >> >> > >> >>> wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> Hi Kayla, the majority of weight loss comes from changing your diet. > >> Try > >> >>> giving up sodas and juices and only drink water. Eat healthier, > >> >>> smaller > >> >>> meals, and foods high in fiber. > >> >>> > >> >>> Sent from my iPhone > >> >>> > >> >>>>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Kayla James via NABS-L > >> >>>>> > > >> >>>> wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> What are some ways that blind people can do to lose weight? The > >> >>>> exercise videos I'm finding are so visual on Youtube. Can anyone > >> >>>> help? > >> >>>> > >> >>>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>>> NABS-L mailing list > >> >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >> >>>> for > >> >>> NABS-L: > >> >>> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth.net > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>> NABS-L mailing list > >> >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > >> >>> NABS-L: > >> >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> NABS-L mailing list > >> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> >> NABS-L: > >> >> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > NABS-L mailing list > >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> > NABS-L: > >> > > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NABS-L mailing list > >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> NABS-L: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Wed Jul 6 19:57:19 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 15:57:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001201d1d7c0$9aaa9be0$cfffd3a0$@gmail.com> You have to keep the cardio and muscle training balanced in order not to lose muscle, and slow donw metabolism too much. Lift weights three times a week, run thre times a week. justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne Germano via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 3:19 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Suzanne Germano Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight It is actually better to use strength training to lose weight over cardiovascular like jogging or ellipticals. Weight training has affects on your cells for several hours adter you workout. Cardio on the other hand only burns while you are doing it. Cardio often actually leads to a slow down of metabolism and loss of muscle. It you prefer not to lift weights than high intensity like plyometrics would be a mych netter choice than tradtional forms of cardio. You can get bands and do a pretty intense workout at home. I have some bands that you can conbime together and get the weight to be 100lbs On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Joe Orozco via NABS-L wrote: > Suzanne brings up a great point. There are, as far as I know, four > types of exercise: endurance, strength, balance, and flexibility. > Certain exercises have the benefit of cross-applying to different > types of training. Weight lifting would naturally best serve strength, > but if what you're looking for is a means to drop weight to fit into > certain clothes, endurance could be your focus for its ability to > improve your circulatory system and generally improve your fitness. > > There are multiple activities you could tackle for endurance. Someone > mentioned the treadmill. I enjoy using that but prefer the elliptical > myself. Regardless, the idea here is not just to get on the machine > and walk for fifteen minutes or so. Move at a fast clip to actually > give your body a good workout. Otherwise you're better off strolling > around the neighborhood and enjoy a better scenery. What I sometimes > do is hop on, get into a fast jog for a couple minutes, then spend the > next few minutes going full out sprint. Get your heart rate and lungs > working overtime. Dial it back to catch your breath and then crank it > up again for a good cardio routine. Of course, remember to keep it > within your ability. Don't overdo any of it, and drink plenty of > water. > > There are other activities you can do for endurance. Mowing the lawn, > raking and digging can knock out chores around the house and provide a > great workout. You can also dance, swim, and climb stairs or hills. If > you can find someone to go tandem biking with, that can be a perfect > endurance exercise. > > If you do lift weights, remember to give your muscles a chance to > recuperate. Focus on specific muscles on different days of the week. > The only part of the body I'm aware of that you can exercise every day > without strain is the abdomen. Yeah, it's going to feel awful the > first few days, but once your abdominal muscles become acclimated, you > will not feel anywhere near as sore. > > My own workout routine rarely goes beyond half an hour and usually > hovers around twenty minutes. I do a mix of sit-ups, pushups, burpees, > lunges, squats, and planks. I'll usually wrap it up with a go at the > elliptical machine. > > Whatever you do, find the routine that best fits your ability and your > schedule. Three times a week is usually sufficient. I am not at all a > fitness expert. I read enough articles and talked to enough > enthusiasts to figure out how to do things right but then developed > the regiment that best serves my lifestyle. And, while exercise can go > a long way in helping you feel better about your image, don't forget > to make health and fitness the primary purpose for working out. Do it > for your own peace of mind and not for the purpose of looking a > certain way because that could become a steep hill. If we think about > it that way, there's usually something else and something else beyond > that we feel we need to do to fit someone else's image of what we > ought to look like. > > Good luck! > > Joe > > > On 7/7/16, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L > > wrote: > > I only gave those up for part of the 12 - 16 weeks that i dieted for > > competition. When trying to get into contest shape you need to eat > > only unprocessed food and those that do not raise blood sugar. I did > > every a free day every two weeks so i did have dairy then. > > > > On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Kayla James via NABS-L > > > wrote: > > > >> Don't you have to give up certain foods to do bodybuilding? Like, > >> important ones like fruit and dairy. > >> > >> On 7/7/16, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L >> > > > >> wrote: > >> > I like to walk on treadmill. > >> > > >> > Sent from my iPad > >> > > >> >> On Jul 7, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L < > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> I am not totally blind but when I wanted to lose weight I > >> >> changed my > >> diet > >> >> and then started lifting weights. I actually ended up being a > >> >> top national level competitive bodybuilder. Most gyms have > >> >> personal trainers that can teach you and help with the layout of > >> >> the gym. Also you could get a workout partner. Most people who > >> >> lift like to workout with a partner. > >> >> > >> >> Suzanne > >> >> > >> >> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L > >> >> > >> >>> wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> Hi Kayla, the majority of weight loss comes from changing your diet. > >> Try > >> >>> giving up sodas and juices and only drink water. Eat healthier, > >> >>> smaller meals, and foods high in fiber. > >> >>> > >> >>> Sent from my iPhone > >> >>> > >> >>>>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Kayla James via NABS-L > >> >>>>> > > >> >>>> wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> What are some ways that blind people can do to lose weight? > >> >>>> The exercise videos I'm finding are so visual on Youtube. Can > >> >>>> anyone help? > >> >>>> > >> >>>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>>> NABS-L mailing list > >> >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > >> >>>> info for > >> >>> NABS-L: > >> >>> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth. > net > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>> NABS-L mailing list > >> >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > >> >>> info > for > >> >>> NABS-L: > >> >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> NABS-L mailing list > >> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > >> >> info for > >> >> NABS-L: > >> >> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmai > l.com > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > NABS-L mailing list > >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >> > for > >> > NABS-L: > >> > > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gm > ail.com > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NABS-L mailing list > >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >> for > >> NABS-L: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu. > >> edu > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > for > > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail > > .com > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From treyman19 at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 20:24:53 2016 From: treyman19 at gmail.com (Trey Bradley) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 15:24:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Need help Message-ID: Hi I was wondering if there is any one that have a Blaze ET. Please let me know. I am in need of one. Thanks much. Sent from my iPhone From kmaent1 at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 20:27:11 2016 From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 16:27:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille Message-ID: <577ebb27.075a810a.39375.771d@mx.google.com> The Neo is an Android notetaker with the ability to download and use all accessible Android apps from the Google Play Store, just like the Touch. The BrailleSense doesn't have that capability, and it's an older design, so you would have it for fewer years before they come out with the next hardware revision. I didn't really compare the Neo to the BrailleSense in terms of specs because I was mostly looking at the Touch and the Neo. ----- Original Message ----- From: justin via NABS-L References: <577ebb27.075a810a.39375.771d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <007701d1d7cc$11bbb6f0$353324d0$@gmail.com> The neo braille is pretty good then if it is a notetaker which can do what you just said. I did look at the specs, it seemed pretty good, but I'll have to go back through them when I get more time. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 4:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Karl Martin Adam Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille The Neo is an Android notetaker with the ability to download and use all accessible Android apps from the Google Play Store, just like the Touch. The BrailleSense doesn't have that capability, and it's an older design, so you would have it for fewer years before they come out with the next hardware revision. I didn't really compare the Neo to the BrailleSense in terms of specs because I was mostly looking at the Touch and the Neo. ----- Original Message ----- From: justin via NABS-L References: <577ebb27.075a810a.39375.771d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <35924c7fb1b77f458c2ecfbb8011676e@mail.gmail.com> Hello, The notetaker missing in this discussion is the El Braille. This notetaker is a full Windows 10 Machine with 14 cells of refreshable braille, and a promising outlook as it will receive updates at the same time that other Windows 10 devices get updated. Another benefit of this device is the ability for network administrators to easily integrate it into pre-existing networks, and for the blind user to be able to use all business protocols such as exchange, Skype for Business, and other business collaboration packages on the market today. My worry about the group of Android notetakers that are being released to the market today is the possibility of them not being updated. An example of an Android notetaker gone wrong is the APH braille Plus that was released in 2011 running 2.3 gingerbread. At that time gingerbread had been out for 1 year, and Google had already unveiled Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich. Yes I understand it is a lot of work to keep a notetaker up-to-date, but it is really a necessary thing if we are expected to compete on a level playing field. The next question this brings me to is "Do we actually need a notetaker?" I personally have come to the conclusion of no, and have implemented a system using an iPhone, and a braille display for my simple note taker needs. This solution insures that I am using a mainstream device while retaining the lovely braille output we have come to love. Regards David Thomas -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 3:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Karl Martin Adam Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille The Neo is an Android notetaker with the ability to download and use all accessible Android apps from the Google Play Store, just like the Touch. The BrailleSense doesn't have that capability, and it's an older design, so you would have it for fewer years before they come out with the next hardware revision. I didn't really compare the Neo to the BrailleSense in terms of specs because I was mostly looking at the Touch and the Neo. ----- Original Message ----- From: justin via NABS-L References: <577ebb27.075a810a.39375.771d@mx.google.com> <35924c7fb1b77f458c2ecfbb8011676e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm saving up for a braille note touch. That sounds much better then the apex. I've heard about that windows 10 notetaker, and unless you like windows 10, I wouldn't get it. You do know that you have to order a focus 14 braille display for the device to have a braille display. I think Rusia makes that notetaker. On 7/7/16, David Thomas via NABS-L wrote: > Hello, > The notetaker missing in this discussion is the El Braille. This notetaker > is a full Windows 10 Machine with 14 cells of refreshable braille, and a > promising outlook as it will receive updates at the same time that other > Windows 10 devices get updated. Another benefit of this device is the > ability for network administrators to easily integrate it into > pre-existing networks, and for the blind user to be able to use all > business protocols such as exchange, Skype for Business, and other > business collaboration packages on the market today. My worry about the > group of Android notetakers that are being released to the market today is > the possibility of them not being updated. An example of an Android > notetaker gone wrong is the APH braille Plus that was released in 2011 > running 2.3 gingerbread. At that time gingerbread had been out for 1 year, > and Google had already unveiled Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich. Yes I > understand it is a lot of work to keep a notetaker up-to-date, but it is > really a necessary thing if we are expected to compete on a level playing > field. > The next question this brings me to is "Do we actually need a notetaker?" > I personally have come to the conclusion of no, and have implemented a > system using an iPhone, and a braille display for my simple note taker > needs. This solution insures that I am using a mainstream device while > retaining the lovely braille output we have come to love. > Regards > David Thomas > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin > Adam via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 3:27 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Karl Martin Adam > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille > > The Neo is an Android notetaker with the ability to download and use all > accessible Android apps from the Google Play Store, just like the Touch. > The BrailleSense doesn't have that capability, and it's an older design, > so you would have it for fewer years before they come out with the next > hardware revision. I didn't really compare the Neo to the BrailleSense in > terms of specs because I was mostly looking at the Touch and the Neo. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: justin via NABS-L To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 14:37:38 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille > > How does it stack up to the braille sense u2? > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin > Adam via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 1:47 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Karl Martin Adam Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille > > Yes I did see it. The guy from Irie didn't know much about how the > software or user interface works (Irie is only the distributor not the > manufacturer), so I don't know how efficient it is to actually use. It is > less expensive than the Braillenote Touch though with significantly better > memory, processor speed, and running a newer version of Android, and most > importantly for me will have the option of a qwerty smart case, so I am > very excited to learn more once it actually comes on the market at the end > of the month. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 10:35:33 -0700 > Subject: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille > > Hi All, > I was wondering if anyone at convention who went to the exhibit hall, saw > the Neo-Braille, presented by Irie AT. It is a notetaker that is so new > that many people have not heard of it. > In fact, I never heard it announced anywhere else at convention, so if I > hadn't gone to their table I probably never would have heard about it > myself. > If you did see it, I would appreciate it if you could tell me your opinion > on it and whether you feel it would make a good notetaker. I currently > have a Braille note and am looking within the next year of either getting > the one I just described, or a Braille sense U 2. > Thanks. > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia > ms2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/david.thomas%40davidth > etechguy.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 22:15:07 2016 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 18:15:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille In-Reply-To: <35924c7fb1b77f458c2ecfbb8011676e@mail.gmail.com> References: <577ebb27.075a810a.39375.771d@mx.google.com> <35924c7fb1b77f458c2ecfbb8011676e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Vejas and all, I also plan to replace my Braille Note Apex with a new note-taker within the next year or so, so I'm very interested in this thread. I have been intrigued by the Braille Note Touch - Do people have specific opinions/thoughts about its user interface? Is the touch screen intuitive to use? Could most functions be carried out using the keyboard cover if one prefers not to use the touch screen? Thanks for any input! Katie On 7/7/16, David Thomas via NABS-L wrote: > Hello, > The notetaker missing in this discussion is the El Braille. This notetaker > is a full Windows 10 Machine with 14 cells of refreshable braille, and a > promising outlook as it will receive updates at the same time that other > Windows 10 devices get updated. Another benefit of this device is the > ability for network administrators to easily integrate it into > pre-existing networks, and for the blind user to be able to use all > business protocols such as exchange, Skype for Business, and other > business collaboration packages on the market today. My worry about the > group of Android notetakers that are being released to the market today is > the possibility of them not being updated. An example of an Android > notetaker gone wrong is the APH braille Plus that was released in 2011 > running 2.3 gingerbread. At that time gingerbread had been out for 1 year, > and Google had already unveiled Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich. Yes I > understand it is a lot of work to keep a notetaker up-to-date, but it is > really a necessary thing if we are expected to compete on a level playing > field. > The next question this brings me to is "Do we actually need a notetaker?" > I personally have come to the conclusion of no, and have implemented a > system using an iPhone, and a braille display for my simple note taker > needs. This solution insures that I am using a mainstream device while > retaining the lovely braille output we have come to love. > Regards > David Thomas > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin > Adam via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 3:27 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Karl Martin Adam > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille > > The Neo is an Android notetaker with the ability to download and use all > accessible Android apps from the Google Play Store, just like the Touch. > The BrailleSense doesn't have that capability, and it's an older design, > so you would have it for fewer years before they come out with the next > hardware revision. I didn't really compare the Neo to the BrailleSense in > terms of specs because I was mostly looking at the Touch and the Neo. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: justin via NABS-L To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 14:37:38 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille > > How does it stack up to the braille sense u2? > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin > Adam via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 1:47 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Karl Martin Adam Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille > > Yes I did see it. The guy from Irie didn't know much about how the > software or user interface works (Irie is only the distributor not the > manufacturer), so I don't know how efficient it is to actually use. It is > less expensive than the Braillenote Touch though with significantly better > memory, processor speed, and running a newer version of Android, and most > importantly for me will have the option of a qwerty smart case, so I am > very excited to learn more once it actually comes on the market at the end > of the month. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 10:35:33 -0700 > Subject: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille > > Hi All, > I was wondering if anyone at convention who went to the exhibit hall, saw > the Neo-Braille, presented by Irie AT. It is a notetaker that is so new > that many people have not heard of it. > In fact, I never heard it announced anywhere else at convention, so if I > hadn't gone to their table I probably never would have heard about it > myself. > If you did see it, I would appreciate it if you could tell me your opinion > on it and whether you feel it would make a good notetaker. I currently > have a Braille note and am looking within the next year of either getting > the one I just described, or a Braille sense U 2. > Thanks. > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia > ms2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/david.thomas%40davidth > etechguy.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > From louvins at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 22:31:11 2016 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 17:31:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille In-Reply-To: References: <577ebb27.075a810a.39375.771d@mx.google.com> <35924c7fb1b77f458c2ecfbb8011676e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Katie and all. I've talked extensively with Roger Bhem who is a humanware dealer, and he has told me a lot about the touch. Being able to write in braille directly on the touch screen is a very nice feature. Everything can be done the same with the perkins keyboard that is built into the case if you don't want to use the screen. I like that the touch has both options of a screen and keyboard. On 7/7/16, Katie Wang via NABS-L wrote: > Hi Vejas and all, > > I also plan to replace my Braille Note Apex with a new note-taker > within the next year or so, so I'm very interested in this thread. I > have been intrigued by the Braille Note Touch - Do people have > specific opinions/thoughts about its user interface? Is the touch > screen intuitive to use? Could most functions be carried out using the > keyboard cover if one prefers not to use the touch screen? Thanks for > any input! > > Katie > > On 7/7/16, David Thomas via NABS-L wrote: >> Hello, >> The notetaker missing in this discussion is the El Braille. This >> notetaker >> is a full Windows 10 Machine with 14 cells of refreshable braille, and a >> promising outlook as it will receive updates at the same time that other >> Windows 10 devices get updated. Another benefit of this device is the >> ability for network administrators to easily integrate it into >> pre-existing networks, and for the blind user to be able to use all >> business protocols such as exchange, Skype for Business, and other >> business collaboration packages on the market today. My worry about the >> group of Android notetakers that are being released to the market today >> is >> the possibility of them not being updated. An example of an Android >> notetaker gone wrong is the APH braille Plus that was released in 2011 >> running 2.3 gingerbread. At that time gingerbread had been out for 1 >> year, >> and Google had already unveiled Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich. Yes I >> understand it is a lot of work to keep a notetaker up-to-date, but it is >> really a necessary thing if we are expected to compete on a level playing >> field. >> The next question this brings me to is "Do we actually need a notetaker?" >> I personally have come to the conclusion of no, and have implemented a >> system using an iPhone, and a braille display for my simple note taker >> needs. This solution insures that I am using a mainstream device while >> retaining the lovely braille output we have come to love. >> Regards >> David Thomas >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin >> Adam via NABS-L >> Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 3:27 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: Karl Martin Adam >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille >> >> The Neo is an Android notetaker with the ability to download and use all >> accessible Android apps from the Google Play Store, just like the Touch. >> The BrailleSense doesn't have that capability, and it's an older design, >> so you would have it for fewer years before they come out with the next >> hardware revision. I didn't really compare the Neo to the BrailleSense >> in >> terms of specs because I was mostly looking at the Touch and the Neo. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: justin via NABS-L > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> > Date sent: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 14:37:38 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille >> >> How does it stack up to the braille sense u2? >> Justin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin >> Adam via NABS-L >> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 1:47 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Cc: Karl Martin Adam > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille >> >> Yes I did see it. The guy from Irie didn't know much about how the >> software or user interface works (Irie is only the distributor not the >> manufacturer), so I don't know how efficient it is to actually use. It >> is >> less expensive than the Braillenote Touch though with significantly >> better >> memory, processor speed, and running a newer version of Android, and most >> importantly for me will have the option of a qwerty smart case, so I am >> very excited to learn more once it actually comes on the market at the >> end >> of the month. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Date sent: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 10:35:33 -0700 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille >> >> Hi All, >> I was wondering if anyone at convention who went to the exhibit hall, saw >> the Neo-Braille, presented by Irie AT. It is a notetaker that is so new >> that many people have not heard of it. >> In fact, I never heard it announced anywhere else at convention, so if I >> hadn't gone to their table I probably never would have heard about it >> myself. >> If you did see it, I would appreciate it if you could tell me your >> opinion >> on it and whether you feel it would make a good notetaker. I currently >> have a Braille note and am looking within the next year of either getting >> the one I just described, or a Braille sense U 2. >> Thanks. >> Vejas >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma >> il.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia >> ms2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma >> il.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/david.thomas%40davidth >> etechguy.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > From kmaent1 at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 23:41:30 2016 From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 19:41:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille Message-ID: <577ee8b3.05c00d0a.4b1c7.1cf2@mx.google.com> The El-Braille is made (or at least being sold) by Freedom Scientific and it comes with 14 cells of Braille built in--Perhaps there's another version that does not, but I had the 14 cell model in my hands a few days ago at convention. I wouldn't use one because I'm not really a fan of Windows or Jaws and because I want a full sized device with a QWERTY keyboard, but if you want a tiny device that could almost fit in your pocket and you like Windows 10 with Jaws,it looks like a good option. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Hendrickson via NABS-L wrote: Hello, The notetaker missing in this discussion is the El Braille. This notetaker is a full Windows 10 Machine with 14 cells of refreshable braille, and a promising outlook as it will receive updates at the same time that other Windows 10 devices get updated. Another benefit of this device is the ability for network administrators to easily integrate it into pre-existing networks, and for the blind user to be able to use all business protocols such as exchange, Skype for Business, and other business collaboration packages on the market today. My worry about the group of Android notetakers that are being released to the market today is the possibility of them not being updated. An example of an Android notetaker gone wrong is the APH braille Plus that was released in 2011 running 2.3 gingerbread. At that time gingerbread had been out for 1 year, and Google had already unveiled Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich. Yes I understand it is a lot of work to keep a notetaker up-to-date, but it is really a necessary thing if we are expected to compete on a level playing field. The next question this brings me to is "Do we actually need a notetaker?" I personally have come to the conclusion of no, and have implemented a system using an iPhone, and a braille display for my simple note taker needs. This solution insures that I am using a mainstream device while retaining the lovely braille output we have come to love. Regards David Thomas -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 3:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Karl Martin Adam Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille The Neo is an Android notetaker with the ability to download and use all accessible Android apps from the Google Play Store, just like the Touch. The BrailleSense doesn't have that capability, and it's an older design, so you would have it for fewer years before they come out with the next hardware revision. I didn't really compare the Neo to the BrailleSense in terms of specs because I was mostly looking at the Touch and the Neo. ----- Original Message ----- From: justin via NABS-L Hi Katie, It is possible to do everything with the smartcase and not use the screen, though all the humanware reps at convention claim to exclusively use the touch screen. I didn't have the 20 minutes or so of tinkering with it they say you need to get the touch Braille to work, but even so using the screen wasn't horrible. I do think it would get tiring for long typing because you can't rest your fingers on the keys and have to keep your hands suspended though. Best, Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: Katie Wang via NABS-L wrote: Hello, The notetaker missing in this discussion is the El Braille. This notetaker is a full Windows 10 Machine with 14 cells of refreshable braille, and a promising outlook as it will receive updates at the same time that other Windows 10 devices get updated. Another benefit of this device is the ability for network administrators to easily integrate it into pre-existing networks, and for the blind user to be able to use all business protocols such as exchange, Skype for Business, and other business collaboration packages on the market today. My worry about the group of Android notetakers that are being released to the market today is the possibility of them not being updated. An example of an Android notetaker gone wrong is the APH braille Plus that was released in 2011 running 2.3 gingerbread. At that time gingerbread had been out for 1 year, and Google had already unveiled Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich. Yes I understand it is a lot of work to keep a notetaker up-to-date, but it is really a necessary thing if we are expected to compete on a level playing field. The next question this brings me to is "Do we actually need a notetaker?" I personally have come to the conclusion of no, and have implemented a system using an iPhone, and a braille display for my simple note taker needs. This solution insures that I am using a mainstream device while retaining the lovely braille output we have come to love. Regards David Thomas -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 3:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Karl Martin Adam Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille The Neo is an Android notetaker with the ability to download and use all accessible Android apps from the Google Play Store, just like the Touch. The BrailleSense doesn't have that capability, and it's an older design, so you would have it for fewer years before they come out with the next hardware revision. I didn't really compare the Neo to the BrailleSense in terms of specs because I was mostly looking at the Touch and the Neo. ----- Original Message ----- From: justin via NABS-L References: <577ee8b9.05c00d0a.4b1c7.1cf6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <17335203739c829faca7d326b39b5f4c@mail.gmail.com> Hello, You actually don't need a hardware upgrade to update the version of Android on the device. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 6:42 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Karl Martin Adam Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille Hi Katie, It is possible to do everything with the smartcase and not use the screen, though all the humanware reps at convention claim to exclusively use the touch screen. I didn't have the 20 minutes or so of tinkering with it they say you need to get the touch Braille to work, but even so using the screen wasn't horrible. I do think it would get tiring for long typing because you can't rest your fingers on the keys and have to keep your hands suspended though. Best, Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: Katie Wang via NABS-L wrote: Hello, The notetaker missing in this discussion is the El Braille. This notetaker is a full Windows 10 Machine with 14 cells of refreshable braille, and a promising outlook as it will receive updates at the same time that other Windows 10 devices get updated. Another benefit of this device is the ability for network administrators to easily integrate it into pre-existing networks, and for the blind user to be able to use all business protocols such as exchange, Skype for Business, and other business collaboration packages on the market today. My worry about the group of Android notetakers that are being released to the market today is the possibility of them not being updated. An example of an Android notetaker gone wrong is the APH braille Plus that was released in 2011 running 2.3 gingerbread. At that time gingerbread had been out for 1 year, and Google had already unveiled Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich. Yes I understand it is a lot of work to keep a notetaker up-to-date, but it is really a necessary thing if we are expected to compete on a level playing field. The next question this brings me to is "Do we actually need a notetaker?" I personally have come to the conclusion of no, and have implemented a system using an iPhone, and a braille display for my simple note taker needs. This solution insures that I am using a mainstream device while retaining the lovely braille output we have come to love. Regards David Thomas -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 3:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Karl Martin Adam Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille The Neo is an Android notetaker with the ability to download and use all accessible Android apps from the Google Play Store, just like the Touch. The BrailleSense doesn't have that capability, and it's an older design, so you would have it for fewer years before they come out with the next hardware revision. I didn't really compare the Neo to the BrailleSense in terms of specs because I was mostly looking at the Touch and the Neo. ----- Original Message ----- From: justin via NABS-L References: <577ee8b9.05c00d0a.4b1c7.1cf6@mx.google.com> <17335203739c829faca7d326b39b5f4c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <86227EE1-5680-4208-BAFB-1E268EDDAF55@gmail.com> Hi All, I did not get to look at the Neobraille, but I did get a good look at the Braillenote Touch and the Elbraille. Both units were awesome, but I preferred the touch. I have been a Braillenote user for several years now, and I am very pleased with the upgrades done on the touch. I will be receiving a touch very soon, and will let you know what my thoughts are. I look forward to testing it out. Cullen > On Jul 7, 2016, at 8:24 PM, David Thomas via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello, > You actually don't need a hardware upgrade to update the version of > Android on the device. > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin > Adam via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 6:42 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Karl Martin Adam > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille > > Hi Katie, > > It is possible to do everything with the smartcase and not use the screen, > though all the humanware reps at convention claim to exclusively use the > touch screen. I didn't have the 20 minutes or so of tinkering with it > they say you need to get the touch Braille to work, but even so using the > screen wasn't horrible. I do think it would get tiring for long typing > because you can't rest your fingers on the keys and have to keep your > hands suspended though. > > Best, > Karl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Katie Wang via NABS-L To: david.thomas at davidthetechguy.com, National Association of Blind > Students mailing list 18:15:07 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille > > Hi Vejas and all, > > I also plan to replace my Braille Note Apex with a new note-taker within > the next year or so, so I'm very interested in this thread. I have been > intrigued by the Braille Note Touch - Do people have specific > opinions/thoughts about its user interface? Is the touch screen intuitive > to use? Could most functions be carried out using the keyboard cover if > one prefers not to use the touch screen? Thanks for any input! > > Katie > > On 7/7/16, David Thomas via NABS-L wrote: > Hello, > The notetaker missing in this discussion is the El Braille. This > notetaker is a full Windows 10 Machine with 14 cells of refreshable > braille, and a promising outlook as it will receive updates at the same > time that other Windows 10 devices get updated. Another benefit of this > device is the ability for network administrators to easily integrate it > into pre-existing networks, and for the blind user to be able to use all > business protocols such as exchange, Skype for Business, and other > business collaboration packages on the market today. My worry about the > group of Android notetakers that are being released to the market today is > the possibility of them not being updated. An example of an Android > notetaker gone wrong is the APH braille Plus that was released in 2011 > running 2.3 gingerbread. At that time gingerbread had been out for 1 year, > and Google had already unveiled Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich. > Yes I > understand it is a lot of work to keep a notetaker up-to-date, but it is > really a necessary thing if we are expected to compete on a level playing > field. > The next question this brings me to is "Do we actually need a notetaker?" > I personally have come to the conclusion of no, and have implemented a > system using an iPhone, and a braille display for my simple note taker > needs. This solution insures that I am using a mainstream device while > retaining the lovely braille output we have come to love. > Regards > David Thomas > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin > Adam via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 3:27 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Karl Martin Adam > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille > > The Neo is an Android notetaker with the ability to download and use all > accessible Android apps from the Google Play Store, just like the Touch. > The BrailleSense doesn't have that capability, and it's an older design, > so you would have it for fewer years before they come out with the next > hardware revision. I didn't really compare the Neo to the BrailleSense in > terms of specs because I was mostly looking at the Touch and the Neo. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: justin via NABS-L To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 14:37:38 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille > > How does it stack up to the braille sense u2? > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin > Adam via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 1:47 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Karl Martin Adam Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille > > Yes I did see it. The guy from Irie didn't know much about how the > software or user interface works (Irie is only the distributor not the > manufacturer), so I don't know how efficient it is to actually use. It is > less expensive than the Braillenote Touch though with significantly better > memory, processor speed, and running a newer version of Android, and most > importantly for me will have the option of a qwerty smart case, so I am > very excited to learn more once it actually comes on the market at the end > of the month. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 10:35:33 -0700 > Subject: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille > > Hi All, > I was wondering if anyone at convention who went to the exhibit hall, saw > the Neo-Braille, presented by Irie AT. It is a notetaker that is so new > that many people have not heard of it. > In fact, I never heard it announced anywhere else at convention, so if I > hadn't gone to their table I probably never would have heard about it > myself. > If you did see it, I would appreciate it if you could tell me your > opinion on it and whether you feel it would make a good notetaker. I > currently have a Braille note and am looking within the next year of > either getting the one I just described, or a Braille sense U 2. > Thanks. > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia > ms2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/david.thomas% > 40davidth > etechguy.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%4 > 0gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/david.thomas%40davidth > etechguy.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gallagher123123%40gmail.com From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu Fri Jul 8 11:09:47 2016 From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 07:09:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille In-Reply-To: <577ee8b9.05c00d0a.4b1c7.1cf6@mx.google.com> References: <577ee8b9.05c00d0a.4b1c7.1cf6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <33F59C72-C2FE-4D1A-AC6B-F5D344F657E8@houghton.edu> Is that why the keyboard detaches? God bless.--Christina > On Jul 7, 2016, at 19:41, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Katie, > > It is possible to do everything with the smartcase and not use the screen, though all the humanware reps at convention claim to exclusively use the touch screen. I didn't have the 20 minutes or so of tinkering with it they say you need to get the touch Braille to work, but even so using the screen wasn't horrible. I do think it would get tiring for long typing because you can't rest your fingers on the keys and have to keep your hands suspended though. > > Best, > Karl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Katie Wang via NABS-L To: david.thomas at davidthetechguy.com, National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 18:15:07 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille > > Hi Vejas and all, > > I also plan to replace my Braille Note Apex with a new note-taker > within the next year or so, so I'm very interested in this thread. I > have been intrigued by the Braille Note Touch - Do people have > specific opinions/thoughts about its user interface? Is the touch > screen intuitive to use? Could most functions be carried out using the > keyboard cover if one prefers not to use the touch screen? Thanks for > any input! > > Katie > > On 7/7/16, David Thomas via NABS-L wrote: > Hello, > The notetaker missing in this discussion is the El Braille. This notetaker > is a full Windows 10 Machine with 14 cells of refreshable braille, and a > promising outlook as it will receive updates at the same time that other > Windows 10 devices get updated. Another benefit of this device is the > ability for network administrators to easily integrate it into > pre-existing networks, and for the blind user to be able to use all > business protocols such as exchange, Skype for Business, and other > business collaboration packages on the market today. My worry about the > group of Android notetakers that are being released to the market today is > the possibility of them not being updated. An example of an Android > notetaker gone wrong is the APH braille Plus that was released in 2011 > running 2.3 gingerbread. At that time gingerbread had been out for 1 year, > and Google had already unveiled Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich. Yes I > understand it is a lot of work to keep a notetaker up-to-date, but it is > really a necessary thing if we are expected to compete on a level playing > field. > The next question this brings me to is "Do we actually need a notetaker?" > I personally have come to the conclusion of no, and have implemented a > system using an iPhone, and a braille display for my simple note taker > needs. This solution insures that I am using a mainstream device while > retaining the lovely braille output we have come to love. > Regards > David Thomas > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin > Adam via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 3:27 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Karl Martin Adam > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille > > The Neo is an Android notetaker with the ability to download and use all > accessible Android apps from the Google Play Store, just like the Touch. > The BrailleSense doesn't have that capability, and it's an older design, > so you would have it for fewer years before they come out with the next > hardware revision. I didn't really compare the Neo to the BrailleSense in > terms of specs because I was mostly looking at the Touch and the Neo. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: justin via NABS-L To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 14:37:38 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille > > How does it stack up to the braille sense u2? > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin > Adam via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 1:47 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Karl Martin Adam Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille > > Yes I did see it. The guy from Irie didn't know much about how the > software or user interface works (Irie is only the distributor not the > manufacturer), so I don't know how efficient it is to actually use. It is > less expensive than the Braillenote Touch though with significantly better > memory, processor speed, and running a newer version of Android, and most > importantly for me will have the option of a qwerty smart case, so I am > very excited to learn more once it actually comes on the market at the end > of the month. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 10:35:33 -0700 > Subject: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille > > Hi All, > I was wondering if anyone at convention who went to the exhibit hall, saw > the Neo-Braille, presented by Irie AT. It is a notetaker that is so new > that many people have not heard of it. > In fact, I never heard it announced anywhere else at convention, so if I > hadn't gone to their table I probably never would have heard about it > myself. > If you did see it, I would appreciate it if you could tell me your opinion > on it and whether you feel it would make a good notetaker. I currently > have a Braille note and am looking within the next year of either getting > the one I just described, or a Braille sense U 2. > Thanks. > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia > ms2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/david.thomas% > 40davidth > etechguy.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%4 > 0gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 07:31:23 2016 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 03:31:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Tech question about IOS and streaming possibilities Message-ID: Hello all, I don't think there is a way to do this, but I'm nowhere near a genius about tech stuff so I'm hoping I'm wrong. I have seen/heard people stream audio on their computers through virtual audio cable. This is useful for when these people wanted to show a group some audio over a skype call or team talk, for example. As my IPhone is my preferred device for accessing these conference platforms, I'm wondering if there is a way to stream a playing audio file on the IPhone through some other app to make it play through a connection to skype, team talk, etc through IOS? Thanks, for any instructions/suggestions on how to do this, if it is indeed possible. Specs are a 16 gig 6S, still pretty new and up-to-date with the IOS. -- Kaiti Shelton From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Jul 8 13:32:31 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 09:32:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing Message-ID: <012e01d1d91d$2e808a70$8b819f50$@gmail.com> Does anyone know how to record a call on skype? Second, does anyone know of any other general conferencing platforms where the call can be recorded other than skype? Go to meeting does not seem to work with JAWS. Justin From zumbagecko at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 15:22:00 2016 From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 08:22:00 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] creating an installation password for windows 10 Message-ID: <57811698.840e420a.37269.ffffd54f@mx.google.com> Hello all, I would like to know how to creating a separate password for installing or modifying the computer. This way it would let unauthorized people who are using the computer not beable to do changes that affect the computer. From zumbagecko at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 15:22:02 2016 From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 08:22:02 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] blindsquare vs seeing eye gps Message-ID: <5781169a.840e420a.37269.ffffd552@mx.google.com> Hi, I've been interested in buying the Blind square app, but I would like to know the difference between both apps. Which one is better? I had jaws training almost a month ago and discussed about the app. From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 17:54:53 2016 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 13:54:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] College research in seeking input In-Reply-To: <6E0FBE1A-1190-4026-8B18-13351BA8421D@coe.edu> References: <577d34da.c49a240a.87ad6.362f@mx.google.com> <6E0FBE1A-1190-4026-8B18-13351BA8421D@coe.edu> Message-ID: For what it's worth, Phoenix and Tucson, Arizona never get snow and rarely get temps below freezing. The first part of the fall semester can be quite hot, although all major buildings are air-conditioned. Arizona may be another place to consider. Arizona State University has a large disabilities office. In my experience this can be a double-edged sword. They have a lot of resources, but also a lot of students demanding their resources. It is absolutely essential to have a backup plan in place in case the DSO is late getting you materials, whether that be a human reader, a scanner, or one of the libraries at Learning Ally or BookShare. I agree generally with Joe and Kennedy. I also think the most important factor, in addition to quality of degree programs, are the attitudes of the faculty who head up the department where you are likely to be majoring. If they believe in you as a blind student, they will help make the rest of the details fall into place. If you are doing visits, try to schedule time with a faculty member in the department where you are hoping to major. In my opinion this is more important than meeting with the DSO. Best, Arielle On 7/6/16, KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L wrote: > Hello! > I would like to take this time to say that I absolutely agree with Joe! > There are a billion and one things to consider when researching colleges. > What is Financial Aid like? Is it smabbl or large? Does it have the program > you want to pursue? Are the people friendly? Will you be happy there? For > me, Disabbility Services was a very minor component of my college search. I > figured that no matter what, I would find a way to work with the DSS office. > I'm glad I didn't think about it too much. The DSS Office is fantastic now, > but when I first went to college, it was not as good as it could have been. > I'm glad that this gave me the opportunity to advocate for my needs. I feel > that this makes me better prepared for my future. I hope I didn't overwhelm > you! Just some things to think about. :) > Good luck in your college search! > Kennedy > > Kennedy Stomberg > (218)295-2391 > >> On Jul 6, 2016, at 12:41 PM, roanna bacchus via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Hi Taylor thanks for your message. UCF has an excellent office that >> accommodates the needs of students with disabilities. Each semester I get >> my books ahead of time so I can start reading before classes begin. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From mkvnfb94 at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 18:54:44 2016 From: mkvnfb94 at gmail.com (Mariya Vasileva) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 13:54:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Attending school out of state Message-ID: Sent from my iPhone Hi, has anybody attended California State University of Southern California or Embry Riddle Aeronautical University in Daytona, Florida? If so, how is the housing off campus apartment wise as far as decency and pricing are concerned in both states? The same question goes for job prospects, especially in the areas of assistant living senior care and assembly? I'm thinking of moving to either area next year for my undergrad. From sbonenfant2 at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 18:57:21 2016 From: sbonenfant2 at gmail.com (Simon) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 14:57:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing In-Reply-To: <012e01d1d91d$2e808a70$8b819f50$@gmail.com> References: <012e01d1d91d$2e808a70$8b819f50$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6A1F6966-66D1-4ECE-92E8-2E76644B21CB@gmail.com> TeamTalk is a great system, it has great audio quality and a recording function built in Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:32 AM, justin via NABS-L wrote: > > > > Does anyone know how to record a call on skype? > > Second, does anyone know of any other general conferencing platforms where > the call can be recorded other than skype? > > Go to meeting does not seem to work with JAWS. > > Justin > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Jul 9 20:41:25 2016 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 16:41:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight In-Reply-To: <001201d1d7c0$9aaa9be0$cfffd3a0$@gmail.com> References: <001201d1d7c0$9aaa9be0$cfffd3a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1EB4C255AEB94529B2273F3355CE5542@OwnerPC> Justin, Well said. When I had a personal trainer, she said pretty much what you did. In addition to a balanced diet meaning ocasional sweet food and lots of fiber food and medium to low carbs, you should have strength training and cardio. If only cardio, you will lose muscle which seems to be happening to me as I've not done my strength training in a while. Everyone is different. In general though, cardio should be done to burn fat and keep toned and have endurance. Cardio should be done at least 3 times a week for 30 minutes or more. But for weight loss, better to make it five or six days. For lifting weights, 3 times is best, but don't lift in consecutive days because your muscles need time to recover. But actually two times a week is okay and will help with weight loss. When I was able to lose weight, I did twice a week and that worked fine for me for the strength part. My trainer recommended five days of cardio for 30 minutes each or if low intensity do like 45 minutes to 60 minutes. I mean if you fast walked on a treadmill at say 3.5 miles an hour, that is low intensity. But if you combined walking with jogging, you could do less time because its higher intensity. My trainer recommended lifting for 2 to 3 days a week. But if you do lifting, remember to warm up with some cardio and stretch afterward. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: justin via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 3:57 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: justin Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight You have to keep the cardio and muscle training balanced in order not to lose muscle, and slow donw metabolism too much. Lift weights three times a week, run thre times a week. justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne Germano via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 3:19 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Suzanne Germano Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight It is actually better to use strength training to lose weight over cardiovascular like jogging or ellipticals. Weight training has affects on your cells for several hours adter you workout. Cardio on the other hand only burns while you are doing it. Cardio often actually leads to a slow down of metabolism and loss of muscle. It you prefer not to lift weights than high intensity like plyometrics would be a mych netter choice than tradtional forms of cardio. You can get bands and do a pretty intense workout at home. I have some bands that you can conbime together and get the weight to be 100lbs On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Joe Orozco via NABS-L wrote: > Suzanne brings up a great point. There are, as far as I know, four > types of exercise: endurance, strength, balance, and flexibility. > Certain exercises have the benefit of cross-applying to different > types of training. Weight lifting would naturally best serve strength, > but if what you're looking for is a means to drop weight to fit into > certain clothes, endurance could be your focus for its ability to > improve your circulatory system and generally improve your fitness. > > There are multiple activities you could tackle for endurance. Someone > mentioned the treadmill. I enjoy using that but prefer the elliptical > myself. Regardless, the idea here is not just to get on the machine > and walk for fifteen minutes or so. Move at a fast clip to actually > give your body a good workout. Otherwise you're better off strolling > around the neighborhood and enjoy a better scenery. What I sometimes > do is hop on, get into a fast jog for a couple minutes, then spend the > next few minutes going full out sprint. Get your heart rate and lungs > working overtime. Dial it back to catch your breath and then crank it > up again for a good cardio routine. Of course, remember to keep it > within your ability. Don't overdo any of it, and drink plenty of > water. > > There are other activities you can do for endurance. Mowing the lawn, > raking and digging can knock out chores around the house and provide a > great workout. You can also dance, swim, and climb stairs or hills. If > you can find someone to go tandem biking with, that can be a perfect > endurance exercise. > > If you do lift weights, remember to give your muscles a chance to > recuperate. Focus on specific muscles on different days of the week. > The only part of the body I'm aware of that you can exercise every day > without strain is the abdomen. Yeah, it's going to feel awful the > first few days, but once your abdominal muscles become acclimated, you > will not feel anywhere near as sore. > > My own workout routine rarely goes beyond half an hour and usually > hovers around twenty minutes. I do a mix of sit-ups, pushups, burpees, > lunges, squats, and planks. I'll usually wrap it up with a go at the > elliptical machine. > > Whatever you do, find the routine that best fits your ability and your > schedule. Three times a week is usually sufficient. I am not at all a > fitness expert. I read enough articles and talked to enough > enthusiasts to figure out how to do things right but then developed > the regiment that best serves my lifestyle. And, while exercise can go > a long way in helping you feel better about your image, don't forget > to make health and fitness the primary purpose for working out. Do it > for your own peace of mind and not for the purpose of looking a > certain way because that could become a steep hill. If we think about > it that way, there's usually something else and something else beyond > that we feel we need to do to fit someone else's image of what we > ought to look like. > > Good luck! > > Joe > > > On 7/7/16, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L > > wrote: > > I only gave those up for part of the 12 - 16 weeks that i dieted for > > competition. When trying to get into contest shape you need to eat > > only unprocessed food and those that do not raise blood sugar. I did > > every a free day every two weeks so i did have dairy then. > > > > On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Kayla James via NABS-L > > > wrote: > > > >> Don't you have to give up certain foods to do bodybuilding? Like, > >> important ones like fruit and dairy. > >> > >> On 7/7/16, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L >> > > > >> wrote: > >> > I like to walk on treadmill. > >> > > >> > Sent from my iPad > >> > > >> >> On Jul 7, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L < > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> I am not totally blind but when I wanted to lose weight I > >> >> changed my > >> diet > >> >> and then started lifting weights. I actually ended up being a > >> >> top national level competitive bodybuilder. Most gyms have > >> >> personal trainers that can teach you and help with the layout of > >> >> the gym. Also you could get a workout partner. Most people who > >> >> lift like to workout with a partner. > >> >> > >> >> Suzanne > >> >> > >> >> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L > >> >> > >> >>> wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> Hi Kayla, the majority of weight loss comes from changing your diet. > >> Try > >> >>> giving up sodas and juices and only drink water. Eat healthier, > >> >>> smaller meals, and foods high in fiber. > >> >>> > >> >>> Sent from my iPhone > >> >>> > >> >>>>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Kayla James via NABS-L > >> >>>>> > > >> >>>> wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> What are some ways that blind people can do to lose weight? > >> >>>> The exercise videos I'm finding are so visual on Youtube. Can > >> >>>> anyone help? > >> >>>> > >> >>>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>>> NABS-L mailing list > >> >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > >> >>>> info for > >> >>> NABS-L: > >> >>> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth. > net > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>> NABS-L mailing list > >> >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > >> >>> info > for > >> >>> NABS-L: > >> >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> NABS-L mailing list > >> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > >> >> info for > >> >> NABS-L: > >> >> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmai > l.com > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > NABS-L mailing list > >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >> > for > >> > NABS-L: > >> > > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gm > ail.com > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NABS-L mailing list > >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >> for > >> NABS-L: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu. > >> edu > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > for > > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail > > .com > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Jul 9 20:42:47 2016 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 16:42:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Need help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5D0B6656C7014FD381FC09B853A494DD@OwnerPC> I wish I had a Blaze ez. That book reader has a camera to scan stuff; it sounds cool. -----Original Message----- From: Trey Bradley via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 4:24 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: Trey Bradley Subject: [nabs-l] Need help Hi I was wondering if there is any one that have a Blaze ET. Please let me know. I am in need of one. Thanks much. Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Jul 9 20:48:50 2016 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 16:48:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille In-Reply-To: <007701d1d7cc$11bbb6f0$353324d0$@gmail.com> References: <577ebb27.075a810a.39375.771d@mx.google.com> <007701d1d7cc$11bbb6f0$353324d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: hi, sounds neat. Does the neo braille have a braille keyboard and braille display like most notetakers have had that I'm used to? If so, how many cells on its display? I assume it does what most notetakers do now a days wich means you have a word processor, calendar, calculator, and internet connections. What is the neo braille's connectivity options? Does it have usb ports and bluetooth? What about memory card slots to expand its memory? I have an old braille note now. I mean older than the current apex model as rehab bought for me back in college. I am not so sure I'd like human ware's new Braille touch if it has a touch screen. I prefer my braille keyboard with the buttons I can feel. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: justin via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 5:19 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: justin Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille The neo braille is pretty good then if it is a notetaker which can do what you just said. I did look at the specs, it seemed pretty good, but I'll have to go back through them when I get more time. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 4:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Karl Martin Adam Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille The Neo is an Android notetaker with the ability to download and use all accessible Android apps from the Google Play Store, just like the Touch. The BrailleSense doesn't have that capability, and it's an older design, so you would have it for fewer years before they come out with the next hardware revision. I didn't really compare the Neo to the BrailleSense in terms of specs because I was mostly looking at the Touch and the Neo. ----- Original Message ----- From: justin via NABS-L References: <577ebb27.075a810a.39375.771d@mx.google.com><35924c7fb1b77f458c2ecfbb8011676e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Katie, I'm also interested in a new notetaker. But I might just purchase the apex before they stop making them. Does the braille note touch have everything the apex does plus more bells and whistles? How much does the braille note touch cost versus the neo braille? My understanding is the apex has internet capability through wifi built into it. It also has bluetooth connections available to a smart phone or tablet such as an ipod touch or ipad. Also the apex has ability to read NLS books from bard unlike my braille Note. So, I think the apex or new Braille touch would meet my needs. Still interested in the neo braille so I can decide. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Katie Wang via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 6:15 PM To: david.thomas at davidthetechguy.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Katie Wang Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille Hi Vejas and all, I also plan to replace my Braille Note Apex with a new note-taker within the next year or so, so I'm very interested in this thread. I have been intrigued by the Braille Note Touch - Do people have specific opinions/thoughts about its user interface? Is the touch screen intuitive to use? Could most functions be carried out using the keyboard cover if one prefers not to use the touch screen? Thanks for any input! Katie On 7/7/16, David Thomas via NABS-L wrote: > Hello, > The notetaker missing in this discussion is the El Braille. This notetaker > is a full Windows 10 Machine with 14 cells of refreshable braille, and a > promising outlook as it will receive updates at the same time that other > Windows 10 devices get updated. Another benefit of this device is the > ability for network administrators to easily integrate it into > pre-existing networks, and for the blind user to be able to use all > business protocols such as exchange, Skype for Business, and other > business collaboration packages on the market today. My worry about the > group of Android notetakers that are being released to the market today is > the possibility of them not being updated. An example of an Android > notetaker gone wrong is the APH braille Plus that was released in 2011 > running 2.3 gingerbread. At that time gingerbread had been out for 1 year, > and Google had already unveiled Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich. Yes I > understand it is a lot of work to keep a notetaker up-to-date, but it is > really a necessary thing if we are expected to compete on a level playing > field. > The next question this brings me to is "Do we actually need a notetaker?" > I personally have come to the conclusion of no, and have implemented a > system using an iPhone, and a braille display for my simple note taker > needs. This solution insures that I am using a mainstream device while > retaining the lovely braille output we have come to love. > Regards > David Thomas > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin > Adam via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 3:27 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Karl Martin Adam > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille > > The Neo is an Android notetaker with the ability to download and use all > accessible Android apps from the Google Play Store, just like the Touch. > The BrailleSense doesn't have that capability, and it's an older design, > so you would have it for fewer years before they come out with the next > hardware revision. I didn't really compare the Neo to the BrailleSense in > terms of specs because I was mostly looking at the Touch and the Neo. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: justin via NABS-L To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 14:37:38 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille > > How does it stack up to the braille sense u2? > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin > Adam via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 1:47 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Karl Martin Adam Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille > > Yes I did see it. The guy from Irie didn't know much about how the > software or user interface works (Irie is only the distributor not the > manufacturer), so I don't know how efficient it is to actually use. It is > less expensive than the Braillenote Touch though with significantly better > memory, processor speed, and running a newer version of Android, and most > importantly for me will have the option of a qwerty smart case, so I am > very excited to learn more once it actually comes on the market at the end > of the month. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 10:35:33 -0700 > Subject: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille > > Hi All, > I was wondering if anyone at convention who went to the exhibit hall, saw > the Neo-Braille, presented by Irie AT. It is a notetaker that is so new > that many people have not heard of it. > In fact, I never heard it announced anywhere else at convention, so if I > hadn't gone to their table I probably never would have heard about it > myself. > If you did see it, I would appreciate it if you could tell me your opinion > on it and whether you feel it would make a good notetaker. I currently > have a Braille note and am looking within the next year of either getting > the one I just described, or a Braille sense U 2. > Thanks. > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia > ms2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/david.thomas%40davidth > etechguy.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From alpineimagination at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 21:16:19 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 14:16:19 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille Message-ID: <578169a9.450f620a.c7134.ffffd111@mx.google.com> Hi Ashley, The reason I did not like the Braille touch was because of the touch screen, as you have stated. It comes with a case with a keyboard, which can be used, however I liked the Neo-Braille better. It has a keyboard, Braille display and all the features you'd see on a Braille note and more. It gives you access to the Google playstore as well. It can pair up with IDevices. I am not positive about how many USB ports there are, but the flash disk comes with 64 GB, and you can put in an sd card maximum 128 GB. Hope this helps Vejas ----- Original Message ----- From: Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L References: <001201d1d7c0$9aaa9be0$cfffd3a0$@gmail.com> <1EB4C255AEB94529B2273F3355CE5542@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Thank you to everyone who is helping me with this. I walk, do calisthenics (more than walking for this week), and I lifted a kettlebell. I tried the President's Challenge, but I skip two or three days, not in a row, but still... and now I feel guilty. I don't know what's wrong with me. Maybe I'm just depressed or something. But thank you for helping me, guys. You all are very kind. Kayla On 7/9/16, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L wrote: > Justin, > > Well said. When I had a personal trainer, she said pretty much what you did. > > In addition to a balanced diet meaning ocasional sweet food and lots of > fiber food and medium to low carbs, you should have strength training and > cardio. > If only cardio, you will lose muscle which seems to be happening to me as > I've not done my strength training in a while. > > Everyone is different. In general though, cardio should be done to burn fat > > and keep toned and have endurance. Cardio should be done at least 3 times a > > week for 30 minutes or more. But for weight loss, better to make it five or > > six days. > For lifting weights, 3 times is best, but don't lift in consecutive days > because your muscles need time to recover. > But actually two times a week is okay and will help with weight loss. > When I was able to lose weight, I did twice a week and that worked fine for > > me for the strength part. > My trainer recommended five days of cardio for 30 minutes each or if low > intensity do like 45 minutes to 60 minutes. I mean if you fast walked on a > treadmill at say 3.5 miles an hour, that is low intensity. But if you > combined walking with jogging, you could do less time because its higher > intensity. > My trainer recommended lifting for 2 to 3 days a week. > But if you do lifting, remember to warm up with some cardio and stretch > afterward. > > Ashley > > > -----Original Message----- > From: justin via NABS-L > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 3:57 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Cc: justin > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight > > You have to keep the cardio and muscle training balanced in order not to > lose muscle, and slow donw metabolism too much. Lift weights three times a > week, run thre times a week. > > justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne > Germano > via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 3:19 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Suzanne Germano > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight > > It is actually better to use strength training to lose weight over > cardiovascular like jogging or ellipticals. Weight training has affects on > your cells for several hours adter you workout. Cardio on the other hand > only burns while you are doing it. Cardio often actually leads to a slow > down of metabolism and loss of muscle. It you prefer not to lift weights > than high intensity like plyometrics would be a mych netter choice than > tradtional forms of cardio. You can get bands and do a pretty intense > workout at home. I have some bands that you can conbime together and get > the > weight to be 100lbs > > On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Joe Orozco via NABS-L wrote: > >> Suzanne brings up a great point. There are, as far as I know, four >> types of exercise: endurance, strength, balance, and flexibility. >> Certain exercises have the benefit of cross-applying to different >> types of training. Weight lifting would naturally best serve strength, >> but if what you're looking for is a means to drop weight to fit into >> certain clothes, endurance could be your focus for its ability to >> improve your circulatory system and generally improve your fitness. >> >> There are multiple activities you could tackle for endurance. Someone >> mentioned the treadmill. I enjoy using that but prefer the elliptical >> myself. Regardless, the idea here is not just to get on the machine >> and walk for fifteen minutes or so. Move at a fast clip to actually >> give your body a good workout. Otherwise you're better off strolling >> around the neighborhood and enjoy a better scenery. What I sometimes >> do is hop on, get into a fast jog for a couple minutes, then spend the >> next few minutes going full out sprint. Get your heart rate and lungs >> working overtime. Dial it back to catch your breath and then crank it >> up again for a good cardio routine. Of course, remember to keep it >> within your ability. Don't overdo any of it, and drink plenty of >> water. >> >> There are other activities you can do for endurance. Mowing the lawn, >> raking and digging can knock out chores around the house and provide a >> great workout. You can also dance, swim, and climb stairs or hills. If >> you can find someone to go tandem biking with, that can be a perfect >> endurance exercise. >> >> If you do lift weights, remember to give your muscles a chance to >> recuperate. Focus on specific muscles on different days of the week. >> The only part of the body I'm aware of that you can exercise every day >> without strain is the abdomen. Yeah, it's going to feel awful the >> first few days, but once your abdominal muscles become acclimated, you >> will not feel anywhere near as sore. >> >> My own workout routine rarely goes beyond half an hour and usually >> hovers around twenty minutes. I do a mix of sit-ups, pushups, burpees, >> lunges, squats, and planks. I'll usually wrap it up with a go at the >> elliptical machine. >> >> Whatever you do, find the routine that best fits your ability and your >> schedule. Three times a week is usually sufficient. I am not at all a >> fitness expert. I read enough articles and talked to enough >> enthusiasts to figure out how to do things right but then developed >> the regiment that best serves my lifestyle. And, while exercise can go >> a long way in helping you feel better about your image, don't forget >> to make health and fitness the primary purpose for working out. Do it >> for your own peace of mind and not for the purpose of looking a >> certain way because that could become a steep hill. If we think about >> it that way, there's usually something else and something else beyond >> that we feel we need to do to fit someone else's image of what we >> ought to look like. >> >> Good luck! >> >> Joe >> >> >> On 7/7/16, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L > > >> wrote: >> > I only gave those up for part of the 12 - 16 weeks that i dieted for >> > competition. When trying to get into contest shape you need to eat >> > only unprocessed food and those that do not raise blood sugar. I did >> > every a free day every two weeks so i did have dairy then. >> > >> > On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Kayla James via NABS-L > > >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Don't you have to give up certain foods to do bodybuilding? Like, >> >> important ones like fruit and dairy. >> >> >> >> On 7/7/16, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L > >> >> > >> >> wrote: >> >> > I like to walk on treadmill. >> >> > >> >> > Sent from my iPad >> >> > >> >> >> On Jul 7, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L < >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> I am not totally blind but when I wanted to lose weight I >> >> >> changed my >> >> diet >> >> >> and then started lifting weights. I actually ended up being a >> >> >> top national level competitive bodybuilder. Most gyms have >> >> >> personal trainers that can teach you and help with the layout of >> >> >> the gym. Also you could get a workout partner. Most people who >> >> >> lift like to workout with a partner. >> >> >> >> >> >> Suzanne >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L >> >> >> >> >> >>> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> Hi Kayla, the majority of weight loss comes from changing your > diet. >> >> Try >> >> >>> giving up sodas and juices and only drink water. Eat healthier, >> >> >>> smaller meals, and foods high in fiber. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Kayla James via NABS-L >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>> wrote: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> What are some ways that blind people can do to lose weight? >> >> >>>> The exercise videos I'm finding are so visual on Youtube. 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It has a micro SD card slot and a USBC port their might be two, I don't remember). It also charges over the USBC connection not over a micro usb like the Touch. Because it's Android, you can use any Android word processor, browser, etc. as long as it's accessible. They ship it with Google Chrome as the browser and some sort of proprietary word processor that the distributor didn't know much about. HTH, Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L Hi Ashley, As an Apex user, I would definitely suggest getting a newer notetaker like the Touch or the Neo or maybe even the Braillesense. I like my Apex a lot, but the software is hopelessly out of date because it's running Windows CE, which has been dead for years. That means basically every website I go to tells me that my browser is not supported and that I need to upgrade to a modern browser, and a lot of them don't work at all. It still works now, but if you're going to buy something, I wouldn't invest in a notetaker that is at the edge of being obsolete. There are a few things the Touch doesn't do that the Apex does. It no longer reads keyword files, and it now has a separate word processor that defaults to using docx and a braille file reading and writing utility instead of one word processor that can do both. They've also gotten rid of block commands and replaced it with highlighing chunks of text, which I personally find annoying. And the databases from keybase are no longer supported, and there isn't a way of transfering the e-mail or address list databases, though Mike Tindal told me there's a way of uploading my addresses to GMail from the Apex so I'll still have them on the Touch. HTH, Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L wrote: Hello, The notetaker missing in this discussion is the El Braille. This notetaker is a full Windows 10 Machine with 14 cells of refreshable braille, and a promising outlook as it will receive updates at the same time that other Windows 10 devices get updated. Another benefit of this device is the ability for network administrators to easily integrate it into pre-existing networks, and for the blind user to be able to use all business protocols such as exchange, Skype for Business, and other business collaboration packages on the market today. My worry about the group of Android notetakers that are being released to the market today is the possibility of them not being updated. An example of an Android notetaker gone wrong is the APH braille Plus that was released in 2011 running 2.3 gingerbread. At that time gingerbread had been out for 1 year, and Google had already unveiled Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich. Yes I understand it is a lot of work to keep a notetaker up-to-date, but it is really a necessary thing if we are expected to compete on a level playing field. The next question this brings me to is "Do we actually need a notetaker?" I personally have come to the conclusion of no, and have implemented a system using an iPhone, and a braille display for my simple note taker needs. This solution insures that I am using a mainstream device while retaining the lovely braille output we have come to love. Regards David Thomas -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 3:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Karl Martin Adam Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille The Neo is an Android notetaker with the ability to download and use all accessible Android apps from the Google Play Store, just like the Touch. The BrailleSense doesn't have that capability, and it's an older design, so you would have it for fewer years before they come out with the next hardware revision. I didn't really compare the Neo to the BrailleSense in terms of specs because I was mostly looking at the Touch and the Neo. ----- Original Message ----- From: justin via NABS-L References: <5D0B6656C7014FD381FC09B853A494DD@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Personally, I'll not touch a blaze ET. I'd stick with KNFB reader. Paying $800 for a device is just to much for me. Besides, if you're into audible books as I am, the Blaze can't play audible books. Also, downloading bard books on the blaze doesn't work as well as it does on the stream. Some of The Blaze search options for bard aren't available on the blaze, but the stream has them. I'm talking about searching your bard wish list. If the blaze ET could do audible, and CAME without a camera, then I might, just might be interested. On 7/9/16, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L wrote: > I wish I had a Blaze ez. That book reader has a camera to scan stuff; it > sounds cool. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Trey Bradley via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 4:24 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Cc: Trey Bradley > Subject: [nabs-l] Need help > > Hi I was wondering if there is any one that have a Blaze ET. Please let me > know. I am in need of one. Thanks much. > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > From alpineimagination at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 22:06:29 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 15:06:29 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] A Few Dropbox Questions Message-ID: <5781756b.25eb420a.756b5.fffff7d7@mx.google.com> Hi All, I had a few questions about Dropbox. Firstly, I would like to know how you can delete folders and files on the IPhone app. I found a more actions menu, which gives the option of creating another folder, but could not find a way to delete anything. I would also like to know, for these of you who are Braille note Apex users, have you had any luck with Dropbox? Thanks, Vejas From alpineimagination at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 22:10:52 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 15:10:52 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Attending school out of state Message-ID: <57817672.c192240a.cf67f.ca00@mx.google.com> Hj Mariya, I have not been to either of these schools. I would just like to say that in deciding schools, you should consider factors such as school size, public transport, and how good the Disability Services are. I am from California and did apply for a Cal state school. I found that their disability services were good because they have, in the many years they have been around, had many blind students. (They also stressed the importance of knowing Jaws). The school I am going to next year, which is my top school, is much smaller and more community-riented, which appeals to me. The Disability Services have had experience with 2 blind students with 2 very different needs before. It will be a learning curve on both of our parts. Just some things to think about. Vejas ----- Original Message ----- From: Mariya Vasileva via NABS-L References: <57816d33.8a5b810a.306f6.4112@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Karl and all, I agree, do not, under any circumstances get the apex. It’s so slow, and email and web browsing don’t work well at all. I also would not recommend going with a Braillesense at this point. The braillesense also runs Windows CE, and while it isn’t as bad as the apex, Getting a device with a more modern platform I think would serve you better in the long run. I think your best options are the Braillenote touch, Neobraille, Elbraille, and the B2G. So far, my favorite is the Touch. The way Humanware designed the interface is amazing. I will be receiving a touch soon, and I will give you all my opinions on it. Hope this helps, Cullen > On Jul 9, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Ashley, > > As an Apex user, I would definitely suggest getting a newer notetaker like the Touch or the Neo or maybe even the Braillesense. I like my Apex a lot, but the software is hopelessly out of date because it's running Windows CE, which has been dead for years. That means basically every website I go to tells me that my browser is not supported and that I need to upgrade to a modern browser, and a lot of them don't work at all. It still works now, but if you're going to buy something, I wouldn't invest in a notetaker that is at the edge of being obsolete. There are a few things the Touch doesn't do that the Apex does. It no longer reads keyword files, and it now has a separate word processor that defaults to using docx and a braille file reading and writing utility instead of one word processor that can do both. They've also gotten rid of block commands and replaced it with highlighing chunks of text, which I personally find annoying. And the databases from keybase are no longer supported, and there isn't a way of transfering the e-mail or address list databases, though Mike Tindal told me there's a way of uploading my addresses to GMail from the Apex so I'll still have them on the Touch. > > HTH, > Karl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 16:57:10 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille > > Hi Katie, > I'm also interested in a new notetaker. But I might just purchase the apex > before they stop making them. > Does the braille note touch have everything the apex does plus more bells > and whistles? > How much does the braille note touch cost versus the neo braille? > > My understanding is the apex has internet capability through wifi built into > it. It also has bluetooth connections available to a smart phone or tablet > such as an ipod touch or ipad. > Also the apex has ability to read NLS books from bard unlike my braille > Note. > So, I think the apex or new Braille touch would meet my needs. > Still interested in the neo braille so I can decide. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Katie Wang via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 6:15 PM > To: david.thomas at davidthetechguy.com ; National Association of Blind > Students mailing list > Cc: Katie Wang > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille > > Hi Vejas and all, > > I also plan to replace my Braille Note Apex with a new note-taker > within the next year or so, so I'm very interested in this thread. I > have been intrigued by the Braille Note Touch - Do people have > specific opinions/thoughts about its user interface? Is the touch > screen intuitive to use? Could most functions be carried out using the > keyboard cover if one prefers not to use the touch screen? Thanks for > any input! > > Katie > > On 7/7/16, David Thomas via NABS-L wrote: > Hello, > The notetaker missing in this discussion is the El Braille. This notetaker > is a full Windows 10 Machine with 14 cells of refreshable braille, and a > promising outlook as it will receive updates at the same time that other > Windows 10 devices get updated. Another benefit of this device is the > ability for network administrators to easily integrate it into > pre-existing networks, and for the blind user to be able to use all > business protocols such as exchange, Skype for Business, and other > business collaboration packages on the market today. My worry about the > group of Android notetakers that are being released to the market today is > the possibility of them not being updated. An example of an Android > notetaker gone wrong is the APH braille Plus that was released in 2011 > running 2.3 gingerbread. At that time gingerbread had been out for 1 year, > and Google had already unveiled Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich. Yes I > understand it is a lot of work to keep a notetaker up-to-date, but it is > really a necessary thing if we are expected to compete on a level playing > field. > The next question this brings me to is "Do we actually need a notetaker?" > I personally have come to the conclusion of no, and have implemented a > system using an iPhone, and a braille display for my simple note taker > needs. This solution insures that I am using a mainstream device while > retaining the lovely braille output we have come to love. > Regards > David Thomas > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin > Adam via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 3:27 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Karl Martin Adam > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille > > The Neo is an Android notetaker with the ability to download and use all > accessible Android apps from the Google Play Store, just like the Touch. > The BrailleSense doesn't have that capability, and it's an older design, > so you would have it for fewer years before they come out with the next > hardware revision. I didn't really compare the Neo to the BrailleSense in > terms of specs because I was mostly looking at the Touch and the Neo. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: justin via NABS-L To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 14:37:38 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille > > How does it stack up to the braille sense u2? > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin > Adam via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 1:47 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Karl Martin Adam Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille > > Yes I did see it. The guy from Irie didn't know much about how the > software or user interface works (Irie is only the distributor not the > manufacturer), so I don't know how efficient it is to actually use. It is > less expensive than the Braillenote Touch though with significantly better > memory, processor speed, and running a newer version of Android, and most > importantly for me will have the option of a qwerty smart case, so I am > very excited to learn more once it actually comes on the market at the end > of the month. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 10:35:33 -0700 > Subject: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille > > Hi All, > I was wondering if anyone at convention who went to the exhibit hall, saw > the Neo-Braille, presented by Irie AT. It is a notetaker that is so new > that many people have not heard of it. > In fact, I never heard it announced anywhere else at convention, so if I > hadn't gone to their table I probably never would have heard about it > myself. > If you did see it, I would appreciate it if you could tell me your opinion > on it and whether you feel it would make a good notetaker. I currently > have a Braille note and am looking within the next year of either getting > the one I just described, or a Braille sense U 2. > Thanks. > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia > ms2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/david.thomas% > 40davidth > etechguy.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%4 > 0gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gallagher123123%40gmail.com From gallagher123123 at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 22:14:31 2016 From: gallagher123123 at gmail.com (Cullen) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 18:14:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille In-Reply-To: <57816d33.8a5b810a.306f6.4112@mx.google.com> References: <57816d33.8a5b810a.306f6.4112@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I just remembered an advantage to the touch. In a firmware update, KNFB reader will be a part of the touch, so if you enjoy that amazing app, it will be included on the touch. Looking forward to testing that out. Cullen > On Jul 9, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Ashley, > > As an Apex user, I would definitely suggest getting a newer notetaker like the Touch or the Neo or maybe even the Braillesense. I like my Apex a lot, but the software is hopelessly out of date because it's running Windows CE, which has been dead for years. That means basically every website I go to tells me that my browser is not supported and that I need to upgrade to a modern browser, and a lot of them don't work at all. It still works now, but if you're going to buy something, I wouldn't invest in a notetaker that is at the edge of being obsolete. There are a few things the Touch doesn't do that the Apex does. It no longer reads keyword files, and it now has a separate word processor that defaults to using docx and a braille file reading and writing utility instead of one word processor that can do both. They've also gotten rid of block commands and replaced it with highlighing chunks of text, which I personally find annoying. And the databases from keybase are no longer supported, and there isn't a way of transfering the e-mail or address list databases, though Mike Tindal told me there's a way of uploading my addresses to GMail from the Apex so I'll still have them on the Touch. > > HTH, > Karl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 16:57:10 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille > > Hi Katie, > I'm also interested in a new notetaker. But I might just purchase the apex > before they stop making them. > Does the braille note touch have everything the apex does plus more bells > and whistles? > How much does the braille note touch cost versus the neo braille? > > My understanding is the apex has internet capability through wifi built into > it. It also has bluetooth connections available to a smart phone or tablet > such as an ipod touch or ipad. > Also the apex has ability to read NLS books from bard unlike my braille > Note. > So, I think the apex or new Braille touch would meet my needs. > Still interested in the neo braille so I can decide. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Katie Wang via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 6:15 PM > To: david.thomas at davidthetechguy.com ; National Association of Blind > Students mailing list > Cc: Katie Wang > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille > > Hi Vejas and all, > > I also plan to replace my Braille Note Apex with a new note-taker > within the next year or so, so I'm very interested in this thread. I > have been intrigued by the Braille Note Touch - Do people have > specific opinions/thoughts about its user interface? Is the touch > screen intuitive to use? Could most functions be carried out using the > keyboard cover if one prefers not to use the touch screen? Thanks for > any input! > > Katie > > On 7/7/16, David Thomas via NABS-L wrote: > Hello, > The notetaker missing in this discussion is the El Braille. This notetaker > is a full Windows 10 Machine with 14 cells of refreshable braille, and a > promising outlook as it will receive updates at the same time that other > Windows 10 devices get updated. Another benefit of this device is the > ability for network administrators to easily integrate it into > pre-existing networks, and for the blind user to be able to use all > business protocols such as exchange, Skype for Business, and other > business collaboration packages on the market today. My worry about the > group of Android notetakers that are being released to the market today is > the possibility of them not being updated. An example of an Android > notetaker gone wrong is the APH braille Plus that was released in 2011 > running 2.3 gingerbread. At that time gingerbread had been out for 1 year, > and Google had already unveiled Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich. Yes I > understand it is a lot of work to keep a notetaker up-to-date, but it is > really a necessary thing if we are expected to compete on a level playing > field. > The next question this brings me to is "Do we actually need a notetaker?" > I personally have come to the conclusion of no, and have implemented a > system using an iPhone, and a braille display for my simple note taker > needs. This solution insures that I am using a mainstream device while > retaining the lovely braille output we have come to love. > Regards > David Thomas > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin > Adam via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 3:27 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Karl Martin Adam > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille > > The Neo is an Android notetaker with the ability to download and use all > accessible Android apps from the Google Play Store, just like the Touch. > The BrailleSense doesn't have that capability, and it's an older design, > so you would have it for fewer years before they come out with the next > hardware revision. I didn't really compare the Neo to the BrailleSense in > terms of specs because I was mostly looking at the Touch and the Neo. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: justin via NABS-L To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 14:37:38 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille > > How does it stack up to the braille sense u2? > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin > Adam via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 1:47 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Karl Martin Adam Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille > > Yes I did see it. The guy from Irie didn't know much about how the > software or user interface works (Irie is only the distributor not the > manufacturer), so I don't know how efficient it is to actually use. It is > less expensive than the Braillenote Touch though with significantly better > memory, processor speed, and running a newer version of Android, and most > importantly for me will have the option of a qwerty smart case, so I am > very excited to learn more once it actually comes on the market at the end > of the month. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 10:35:33 -0700 > Subject: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille > > Hi All, > I was wondering if anyone at convention who went to the exhibit hall, saw > the Neo-Braille, presented by Irie AT. It is a notetaker that is so new > that many people have not heard of it. > In fact, I never heard it announced anywhere else at convention, so if I > hadn't gone to their table I probably never would have heard about it > myself. > If you did see it, I would appreciate it if you could tell me your opinion > on it and whether you feel it would make a good notetaker. I currently > have a Braille note and am looking within the next year of either getting > the one I just described, or a Braille sense U 2. > Thanks. > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia > ms2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/david.thomas% > 40davidth > etechguy.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%4 > 0gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gallagher123123%40gmail.com From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 22:23:18 2016 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 18:23:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A Few Dropbox Questions In-Reply-To: <5781756b.25eb420a.756b5.fffff7d7@mx.google.com> References: <5781756b.25eb420a.756b5.fffff7d7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi, Vejas, I believe swiping up/down with one finger on the item you're trying to delete should give you that option, just like when you're deleting an email or something else. Sorry I can't answer your question about the Apex as I'm a Sense user, but I hope this solves the IPhone half of the issue for you. On 7/9/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: > Hi All, > I had a few questions about Dropbox. > Firstly, I would like to know how you can delete folders and > files on the IPhone app. I found a more actions menu, which > gives the option of creating another folder, but could not find a > way to delete anything. > I would also like to know, for these of you who are Braille note > Apex users, have you had any luck with Dropbox? > Thanks, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti Shelton From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 22:32:47 2016 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 18:32:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight In-Reply-To: References: <001201d1d7c0$9aaa9be0$cfffd3a0$@gmail.com> <1EB4C255AEB94529B2273F3355CE5542@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi Kayla, Working out is different for everyone, but if you have the money and desire for it, sometimes classes can be great. I took a spinning and core strength class at my university rec center last semester and loved it. I plan to take it again because spinning for me was a fun way to work on cardio, and the instructors were really willing to make their explanations descriptive for me. It did take me a bit longer to learn the four positions we used, but once I learned how I was supposed to be through feedback from my instructor it was easy to follow along. I also took a yoga class and loved that as well. Barre is something I want to try, and cardio drumming is also something I was really jealous of people at National Convention for this year since I wasn't there to try it out. Try to find a class like the spinning and strength one if you can, because they'll work both cardio and strength. That class had us on the bikes for about 40 minutes, then we did stretching and work with small hand weights for the last 10 or 15 minutes. On 7/9/16, Kayla James via NABS-L wrote: > Thank you to everyone who is helping me with this. I walk, do > calisthenics (more than walking for this week), and I lifted a > kettlebell. I tried the President's Challenge, but I skip two or three > days, not in a row, but still... and now I feel guilty. I don't know > what's wrong with me. Maybe I'm just depressed or something. > But thank you for helping me, guys. You all are very kind. > > Kayla > > On 7/9/16, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L wrote: >> Justin, >> >> Well said. When I had a personal trainer, she said pretty much what you >> did. >> >> In addition to a balanced diet meaning ocasional sweet food and lots of >> fiber food and medium to low carbs, you should have strength training and >> cardio. >> If only cardio, you will lose muscle which seems to be happening to me as >> I've not done my strength training in a while. >> >> Everyone is different. In general though, cardio should be done to burn >> fat >> >> and keep toned and have endurance. Cardio should be done at least 3 times >> a >> >> week for 30 minutes or more. But for weight loss, better to make it five >> or >> >> six days. >> For lifting weights, 3 times is best, but don't lift in consecutive days >> because your muscles need time to recover. >> But actually two times a week is okay and will help with weight loss. >> When I was able to lose weight, I did twice a week and that worked fine >> for >> >> me for the strength part. >> My trainer recommended five days of cardio for 30 minutes each or if low >> intensity do like 45 minutes to 60 minutes. I mean if you fast walked on >> a >> treadmill at say 3.5 miles an hour, that is low intensity. But if you >> combined walking with jogging, you could do less time because its higher >> intensity. >> My trainer recommended lifting for 2 to 3 days a week. >> But if you do lifting, remember to warm up with some cardio and stretch >> afterward. >> >> Ashley >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: justin via NABS-L >> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 3:57 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Cc: justin >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight >> >> You have to keep the cardio and muscle training balanced in order not to >> lose muscle, and slow donw metabolism too much. Lift weights three times >> a >> week, run thre times a week. >> >> justin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne >> Germano >> via NABS-L >> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 3:19 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Suzanne Germano >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight >> >> It is actually better to use strength training to lose weight over >> cardiovascular like jogging or ellipticals. Weight training has affects >> on >> your cells for several hours adter you workout. Cardio on the other hand >> only burns while you are doing it. Cardio often actually leads to a slow >> down of metabolism and loss of muscle. It you prefer not to lift weights >> than high intensity like plyometrics would be a mych netter choice than >> tradtional forms of cardio. You can get bands and do a pretty intense >> workout at home. I have some bands that you can conbime together and get >> the >> weight to be 100lbs >> >> On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Joe Orozco via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >>> Suzanne brings up a great point. There are, as far as I know, four >>> types of exercise: endurance, strength, balance, and flexibility. >>> Certain exercises have the benefit of cross-applying to different >>> types of training. Weight lifting would naturally best serve strength, >>> but if what you're looking for is a means to drop weight to fit into >>> certain clothes, endurance could be your focus for its ability to >>> improve your circulatory system and generally improve your fitness. >>> >>> There are multiple activities you could tackle for endurance. Someone >>> mentioned the treadmill. I enjoy using that but prefer the elliptical >>> myself. Regardless, the idea here is not just to get on the machine >>> and walk for fifteen minutes or so. Move at a fast clip to actually >>> give your body a good workout. Otherwise you're better off strolling >>> around the neighborhood and enjoy a better scenery. What I sometimes >>> do is hop on, get into a fast jog for a couple minutes, then spend the >>> next few minutes going full out sprint. Get your heart rate and lungs >>> working overtime. Dial it back to catch your breath and then crank it >>> up again for a good cardio routine. Of course, remember to keep it >>> within your ability. Don't overdo any of it, and drink plenty of >>> water. >>> >>> There are other activities you can do for endurance. Mowing the lawn, >>> raking and digging can knock out chores around the house and provide a >>> great workout. You can also dance, swim, and climb stairs or hills. If >>> you can find someone to go tandem biking with, that can be a perfect >>> endurance exercise. >>> >>> If you do lift weights, remember to give your muscles a chance to >>> recuperate. Focus on specific muscles on different days of the week. >>> The only part of the body I'm aware of that you can exercise every day >>> without strain is the abdomen. Yeah, it's going to feel awful the >>> first few days, but once your abdominal muscles become acclimated, you >>> will not feel anywhere near as sore. >>> >>> My own workout routine rarely goes beyond half an hour and usually >>> hovers around twenty minutes. I do a mix of sit-ups, pushups, burpees, >>> lunges, squats, and planks. I'll usually wrap it up with a go at the >>> elliptical machine. >>> >>> Whatever you do, find the routine that best fits your ability and your >>> schedule. Three times a week is usually sufficient. I am not at all a >>> fitness expert. I read enough articles and talked to enough >>> enthusiasts to figure out how to do things right but then developed >>> the regiment that best serves my lifestyle. And, while exercise can go >>> a long way in helping you feel better about your image, don't forget >>> to make health and fitness the primary purpose for working out. Do it >>> for your own peace of mind and not for the purpose of looking a >>> certain way because that could become a steep hill. If we think about >>> it that way, there's usually something else and something else beyond >>> that we feel we need to do to fit someone else's image of what we >>> ought to look like. >>> >>> Good luck! >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> >>> On 7/7/16, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L >> > >>> wrote: >>> > I only gave those up for part of the 12 - 16 weeks that i dieted for >>> > competition. When trying to get into contest shape you need to eat >>> > only unprocessed food and those that do not raise blood sugar. I did >>> > every a free day every two weeks so i did have dairy then. >>> > >>> > On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Kayla James via NABS-L >> > >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> >> Don't you have to give up certain foods to do bodybuilding? Like, >>> >> important ones like fruit and dairy. >>> >> >>> >> On 7/7/16, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L >> >> >>> > >>> >> wrote: >>> >> > I like to walk on treadmill. >>> >> > >>> >> > Sent from my iPad >>> >> > >>> >> >> On Jul 7, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L < >>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> >> >> wrote: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> I am not totally blind but when I wanted to lose weight I >>> >> >> changed my >>> >> diet >>> >> >> and then started lifting weights. I actually ended up being a >>> >> >> top national level competitive bodybuilder. Most gyms have >>> >> >> personal trainers that can teach you and help with the layout of >>> >> >> the gym. Also you could get a workout partner. Most people who >>> >> >> lift like to workout with a partner. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Suzanne >>> >> >> >>> >> >> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L >>> >> >> >>> >> >>> wrote: >>> >> >> >>> >> >>> Hi Kayla, the majority of weight loss comes from changing your >> diet. >>> >> Try >>> >> >>> giving up sodas and juices and only drink water. Eat healthier, >>> >> >>> smaller meals, and foods high in fiber. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Kayla James via NABS-L >>> >> >>>>> > >>> >> >>>> wrote: >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> What are some ways that blind people can do to lose weight? >>> >> >>>> The exercise videos I'm finding are so visual on Youtube. Can >>> >> >>>> anyone help? >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>> >> >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> >> >>>> info for >>> >> >>> NABS-L: >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth. >>> net >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> >> >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> >> >>> info >>> for >>> >> >>> NABS-L: >>> >> >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >> NABS-L mailing list >>> >> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> >> >> info for >>> >> >> NABS-L: >>> >> >> >>> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmai >>> l.com >>> >> > >>> >> > _______________________________________________ >>> >> > NABS-L mailing list >>> >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> >> > for >>> >> > NABS-L: >>> >> > >>> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gm >>> ail.com >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> NABS-L mailing list >>> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> >> for >>> >> NABS-L: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu. >>> >> edu >>> >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > NABS-L mailing list >>> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> > for >>> > NABS-L: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail >>> > .com >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti Shelton From christgirl813 at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 22:56:23 2016 From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 17:56:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight In-Reply-To: References: <001201d1d7c0$9aaa9be0$cfffd3a0$@gmail.com> <1EB4C255AEB94529B2273F3355CE5542@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Maybe I should get a gym membership. I don't know. On 7/9/16, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L wrote: > Hi Kayla, > > Working out is different for everyone, but if you have the money and > desire for it, sometimes classes can be great. I took a spinning and > core strength class at my university rec center last semester and > loved it. I plan to take it again because spinning for me was a fun > way to work on cardio, and the instructors were really willing to make > their explanations descriptive for me. It did take me a bit longer to > learn the four positions we used, but once I learned how I was > supposed to be through feedback from my instructor it was easy to > follow along. I also took a yoga class and loved that as well. Barre > is something I want to try, and cardio drumming is also something I > was really jealous of people at National Convention for this year > since I wasn't there to try it out. Try to find a class like the > spinning and strength one if you can, because they'll work both cardio > and strength. That class had us on the bikes for about 40 minutes, > then we did stretching and work with small hand weights for the last > 10 or 15 minutes. > > On 7/9/16, Kayla James via NABS-L wrote: >> Thank you to everyone who is helping me with this. I walk, do >> calisthenics (more than walking for this week), and I lifted a >> kettlebell. I tried the President's Challenge, but I skip two or three >> days, not in a row, but still... and now I feel guilty. I don't know >> what's wrong with me. Maybe I'm just depressed or something. >> But thank you for helping me, guys. You all are very kind. >> >> Kayla >> >> On 7/9/16, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L wrote: >>> Justin, >>> >>> Well said. When I had a personal trainer, she said pretty much what you >>> did. >>> >>> In addition to a balanced diet meaning ocasional sweet food and lots of >>> fiber food and medium to low carbs, you should have strength training >>> and >>> cardio. >>> If only cardio, you will lose muscle which seems to be happening to me >>> as >>> I've not done my strength training in a while. >>> >>> Everyone is different. In general though, cardio should be done to burn >>> fat >>> >>> and keep toned and have endurance. Cardio should be done at least 3 >>> times >>> a >>> >>> week for 30 minutes or more. But for weight loss, better to make it five >>> or >>> >>> six days. >>> For lifting weights, 3 times is best, but don't lift in consecutive days >>> because your muscles need time to recover. >>> But actually two times a week is okay and will help with weight loss. >>> When I was able to lose weight, I did twice a week and that worked fine >>> for >>> >>> me for the strength part. >>> My trainer recommended five days of cardio for 30 minutes each or if low >>> intensity do like 45 minutes to 60 minutes. I mean if you fast walked on >>> a >>> treadmill at say 3.5 miles an hour, that is low intensity. But if you >>> combined walking with jogging, you could do less time because its higher >>> intensity. >>> My trainer recommended lifting for 2 to 3 days a week. >>> But if you do lifting, remember to warm up with some cardio and stretch >>> afterward. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: justin via NABS-L >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 3:57 PM >>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>> Cc: justin >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight >>> >>> You have to keep the cardio and muscle training balanced in order not to >>> lose muscle, and slow donw metabolism too much. Lift weights three >>> times >>> a >>> week, run thre times a week. >>> >>> justin >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne >>> Germano >>> via NABS-L >>> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 3:19 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Cc: Suzanne Germano >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight >>> >>> It is actually better to use strength training to lose weight over >>> cardiovascular like jogging or ellipticals. Weight training has affects >>> on >>> your cells for several hours adter you workout. Cardio on the other hand >>> only burns while you are doing it. Cardio often actually leads to a slow >>> down of metabolism and loss of muscle. It you prefer not to lift weights >>> than high intensity like plyometrics would be a mych netter choice than >>> tradtional forms of cardio. You can get bands and do a pretty intense >>> workout at home. I have some bands that you can conbime together and get >>> the >>> weight to be 100lbs >>> >>> On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Joe Orozco via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Suzanne brings up a great point. There are, as far as I know, four >>>> types of exercise: endurance, strength, balance, and flexibility. >>>> Certain exercises have the benefit of cross-applying to different >>>> types of training. Weight lifting would naturally best serve strength, >>>> but if what you're looking for is a means to drop weight to fit into >>>> certain clothes, endurance could be your focus for its ability to >>>> improve your circulatory system and generally improve your fitness. >>>> >>>> There are multiple activities you could tackle for endurance. Someone >>>> mentioned the treadmill. I enjoy using that but prefer the elliptical >>>> myself. Regardless, the idea here is not just to get on the machine >>>> and walk for fifteen minutes or so. Move at a fast clip to actually >>>> give your body a good workout. Otherwise you're better off strolling >>>> around the neighborhood and enjoy a better scenery. What I sometimes >>>> do is hop on, get into a fast jog for a couple minutes, then spend the >>>> next few minutes going full out sprint. Get your heart rate and lungs >>>> working overtime. Dial it back to catch your breath and then crank it >>>> up again for a good cardio routine. Of course, remember to keep it >>>> within your ability. Don't overdo any of it, and drink plenty of >>>> water. >>>> >>>> There are other activities you can do for endurance. Mowing the lawn, >>>> raking and digging can knock out chores around the house and provide a >>>> great workout. You can also dance, swim, and climb stairs or hills. If >>>> you can find someone to go tandem biking with, that can be a perfect >>>> endurance exercise. >>>> >>>> If you do lift weights, remember to give your muscles a chance to >>>> recuperate. Focus on specific muscles on different days of the week. >>>> The only part of the body I'm aware of that you can exercise every day >>>> without strain is the abdomen. Yeah, it's going to feel awful the >>>> first few days, but once your abdominal muscles become acclimated, you >>>> will not feel anywhere near as sore. >>>> >>>> My own workout routine rarely goes beyond half an hour and usually >>>> hovers around twenty minutes. I do a mix of sit-ups, pushups, burpees, >>>> lunges, squats, and planks. I'll usually wrap it up with a go at the >>>> elliptical machine. >>>> >>>> Whatever you do, find the routine that best fits your ability and your >>>> schedule. Three times a week is usually sufficient. I am not at all a >>>> fitness expert. I read enough articles and talked to enough >>>> enthusiasts to figure out how to do things right but then developed >>>> the regiment that best serves my lifestyle. And, while exercise can go >>>> a long way in helping you feel better about your image, don't forget >>>> to make health and fitness the primary purpose for working out. Do it >>>> for your own peace of mind and not for the purpose of looking a >>>> certain way because that could become a steep hill. If we think about >>>> it that way, there's usually something else and something else beyond >>>> that we feel we need to do to fit someone else's image of what we >>>> ought to look like. >>>> >>>> Good luck! >>>> >>>> Joe >>>> >>>> >>>> On 7/7/16, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L >>> > >>>> wrote: >>>> > I only gave those up for part of the 12 - 16 weeks that i dieted for >>>> > competition. When trying to get into contest shape you need to eat >>>> > only unprocessed food and those that do not raise blood sugar. I did >>>> > every a free day every two weeks so i did have dairy then. >>>> > >>>> > On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Kayla James via NABS-L >>> > >>>> > wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> Don't you have to give up certain foods to do bodybuilding? Like, >>>> >> important ones like fruit and dairy. >>>> >> >>>> >> On 7/7/16, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L >>> >> >>>> > >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> > I like to walk on treadmill. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Sent from my iPad >>>> >> > >>>> >> >> On Jul 7, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L < >>>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> >> >> wrote: >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> I am not totally blind but when I wanted to lose weight I >>>> >> >> changed my >>>> >> diet >>>> >> >> and then started lifting weights. I actually ended up being a >>>> >> >> top national level competitive bodybuilder. Most gyms have >>>> >> >> personal trainers that can teach you and help with the layout of >>>> >> >> the gym. Also you could get a workout partner. Most people who >>>> >> >> lift like to workout with a partner. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Suzanne >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>> wrote: >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>> Hi Kayla, the majority of weight loss comes from changing your >>> diet. >>>> >> Try >>>> >> >>> giving up sodas and juices and only drink water. Eat healthier, >>>> >> >>> smaller meals, and foods high in fiber. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>>>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Kayla James via NABS-L >>>> >> >>>>> > >>>> >> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> What are some ways that blind people can do to lose weight? >>>> >> >>>> The exercise videos I'm finding are so visual on Youtube. Can >>>> >> >>>> anyone help? >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> >> >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> >> >>>> info for >>>> >> >>> NABS-L: >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth. >>>> net >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> >>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> >> >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> >> >>> info >>>> for >>>> >> >>> NABS-L: >>>> >> >>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> >> NABS-L mailing list >>>> >> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> >> >> info for >>>> >> >> NABS-L: >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmai >>>> l.com >>>> >> > >>>> >> > _______________________________________________ >>>> >> > NABS-L mailing list >>>> >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> >> > for >>>> >> > NABS-L: >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gm >>>> ail.com >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> NABS-L mailing list >>>> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> >> for >>>> >> NABS-L: >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu. >>>> >> edu >>>> >> >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > NABS-L mailing list >>>> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> > for >>>> > NABS-L: >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail >>>> > .com >>>> > >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti Shelton > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com > From aloshamoorenfb at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 23:33:54 2016 From: aloshamoorenfb at gmail.com (Alosha Moore) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 19:33:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] blindsquare vs seeing eye gps In-Reply-To: <5781169a.840e420a.37269.ffffd552@mx.google.com> References: <5781169a.840e420a.37269.ffffd552@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1EA06B3F-8315-4FD6-8D95-B3ADA6DF01ED@gmail.com> Good evening Petras: I believe most people would choose to pay for one or the other, making it difficult to compare by one person. I personally use BlindSquare in my travels and love it. It's a great app for planning roots as well as exploring new locations spontaneously.One thing I love about blind square, is it's incorporation of other apps such as maps or Google maps, whichever you prefer and Uber or other local public transit options. I've also found it to work accurately abroad and easy to use and would highly recommend it. Best, Alosha. Sent from my iPhone. > On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:22 AM, petras via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi, I've been interested in buying the Blind square app, but I would like to know the difference between both apps. Which one is better? I had jaws training almost a month ago and discussed about the app. > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aloshamoorenfb%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 00:08:09 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 20:08:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] blindsquare vs seeing eye gps In-Reply-To: <1EA06B3F-8315-4FD6-8D95-B3ADA6DF01ED@gmail.com> References: <5781169a.840e420a.37269.ffffd552@mx.google.com> <1EA06B3F-8315-4FD6-8D95-B3ADA6DF01ED@gmail.com> Message-ID: <008f01d1d975$fa2bcab0$ee836010$@gmail.com> Does anyone know anything about how good the Seeing eye gps app is? I hear it is great. Has anyone used it? Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alosha Moore via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:34 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Alosha Moore Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blindsquare vs seeing eye gps Good evening Petras: I believe most people would choose to pay for one or the other, making it difficult to compare by one person. I personally use BlindSquare in my travels and love it. It's a great app for planning roots as well as exploring new locations spontaneously.One thing I love about blind square, is it's incorporation of other apps such as maps or Google maps, whichever you prefer and Uber or other local public transit options. I've also found it to work accurately abroad and easy to use and would highly recommend it. Best, Alosha. Sent from my iPhone. > On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:22 AM, petras via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi, I've been interested in buying the Blind square app, but I would like to know the difference between both apps. Which one is better? I had jaws training almost a month ago and discussed about the app. > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aloshamoorenfb%40gmail.c om _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 00:28:27 2016 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 20:28:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight In-Reply-To: References: <001201d1d7c0$9aaa9be0$cfffd3a0$@gmail.com> <1EB4C255AEB94529B2273F3355CE5542@OwnerPC> Message-ID: It can definitely be worthwhile if you're going to continue to use the membership for a while. The Y is pretty good for having cheap plans, and usually offers some cool classes. Community centers sometimes offer classes at a low cost as well. I'd evaluate whether or not you're willing to commit to a weekly class or not before buying so that you'll know if you are going to get your money's worth. If you have a rec center on your campus that might be the best option, as those plans are probably the cheapest. My university offers ten class passes for $30 and all-access semester passes for $45. If you also just want to set aside time to run on a tredmill and do some weights on your own then the rec center would probably be free. At my school you're free to do independent workouts without payment. On 7/9/16, Kayla James via NABS-L wrote: > Maybe I should get a gym membership. I don't know. > > On 7/9/16, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L wrote: >> Hi Kayla, >> >> Working out is different for everyone, but if you have the money and >> desire for it, sometimes classes can be great. I took a spinning and >> core strength class at my university rec center last semester and >> loved it. I plan to take it again because spinning for me was a fun >> way to work on cardio, and the instructors were really willing to make >> their explanations descriptive for me. It did take me a bit longer to >> learn the four positions we used, but once I learned how I was >> supposed to be through feedback from my instructor it was easy to >> follow along. I also took a yoga class and loved that as well. Barre >> is something I want to try, and cardio drumming is also something I >> was really jealous of people at National Convention for this year >> since I wasn't there to try it out. Try to find a class like the >> spinning and strength one if you can, because they'll work both cardio >> and strength. That class had us on the bikes for about 40 minutes, >> then we did stretching and work with small hand weights for the last >> 10 or 15 minutes. >> >> On 7/9/16, Kayla James via NABS-L wrote: >>> Thank you to everyone who is helping me with this. I walk, do >>> calisthenics (more than walking for this week), and I lifted a >>> kettlebell. I tried the President's Challenge, but I skip two or three >>> days, not in a row, but still... and now I feel guilty. I don't know >>> what's wrong with me. Maybe I'm just depressed or something. >>> But thank you for helping me, guys. You all are very kind. >>> >>> Kayla >>> >>> On 7/9/16, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L wrote: >>>> Justin, >>>> >>>> Well said. When I had a personal trainer, she said pretty much what you >>>> did. >>>> >>>> In addition to a balanced diet meaning ocasional sweet food and lots >>>> of >>>> fiber food and medium to low carbs, you should have strength training >>>> and >>>> cardio. >>>> If only cardio, you will lose muscle which seems to be happening to me >>>> as >>>> I've not done my strength training in a while. >>>> >>>> Everyone is different. In general though, cardio should be done to burn >>>> fat >>>> >>>> and keep toned and have endurance. Cardio should be done at least 3 >>>> times >>>> a >>>> >>>> week for 30 minutes or more. But for weight loss, better to make it >>>> five >>>> or >>>> >>>> six days. >>>> For lifting weights, 3 times is best, but don't lift in consecutive >>>> days >>>> because your muscles need time to recover. >>>> But actually two times a week is okay and will help with weight loss. >>>> When I was able to lose weight, I did twice a week and that worked fine >>>> for >>>> >>>> me for the strength part. >>>> My trainer recommended five days of cardio for 30 minutes each or if >>>> low >>>> intensity do like 45 minutes to 60 minutes. I mean if you fast walked >>>> on >>>> a >>>> treadmill at say 3.5 miles an hour, that is low intensity. But if you >>>> combined walking with jogging, you could do less time because its >>>> higher >>>> intensity. >>>> My trainer recommended lifting for 2 to 3 days a week. >>>> But if you do lifting, remember to warm up with some cardio and stretch >>>> afterward. >>>> >>>> Ashley >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: justin via NABS-L >>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 3:57 PM >>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>> Cc: justin >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight >>>> >>>> You have to keep the cardio and muscle training balanced in order not >>>> to >>>> lose muscle, and slow donw metabolism too much. Lift weights three >>>> times >>>> a >>>> week, run thre times a week. >>>> >>>> justin >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne >>>> Germano >>>> via NABS-L >>>> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 3:19 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>> Cc: Suzanne Germano >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight >>>> >>>> It is actually better to use strength training to lose weight over >>>> cardiovascular like jogging or ellipticals. Weight training has affects >>>> on >>>> your cells for several hours adter you workout. Cardio on the other >>>> hand >>>> only burns while you are doing it. Cardio often actually leads to a >>>> slow >>>> down of metabolism and loss of muscle. It you prefer not to lift >>>> weights >>>> than high intensity like plyometrics would be a mych netter choice than >>>> tradtional forms of cardio. You can get bands and do a pretty intense >>>> workout at home. I have some bands that you can conbime together and >>>> get >>>> the >>>> weight to be 100lbs >>>> >>>> On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Joe Orozco via NABS-L >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Suzanne brings up a great point. There are, as far as I know, four >>>>> types of exercise: endurance, strength, balance, and flexibility. >>>>> Certain exercises have the benefit of cross-applying to different >>>>> types of training. Weight lifting would naturally best serve strength, >>>>> but if what you're looking for is a means to drop weight to fit into >>>>> certain clothes, endurance could be your focus for its ability to >>>>> improve your circulatory system and generally improve your fitness. >>>>> >>>>> There are multiple activities you could tackle for endurance. Someone >>>>> mentioned the treadmill. I enjoy using that but prefer the elliptical >>>>> myself. Regardless, the idea here is not just to get on the machine >>>>> and walk for fifteen minutes or so. Move at a fast clip to actually >>>>> give your body a good workout. Otherwise you're better off strolling >>>>> around the neighborhood and enjoy a better scenery. What I sometimes >>>>> do is hop on, get into a fast jog for a couple minutes, then spend the >>>>> next few minutes going full out sprint. Get your heart rate and lungs >>>>> working overtime. Dial it back to catch your breath and then crank it >>>>> up again for a good cardio routine. Of course, remember to keep it >>>>> within your ability. Don't overdo any of it, and drink plenty of >>>>> water. >>>>> >>>>> There are other activities you can do for endurance. Mowing the lawn, >>>>> raking and digging can knock out chores around the house and provide a >>>>> great workout. You can also dance, swim, and climb stairs or hills. If >>>>> you can find someone to go tandem biking with, that can be a perfect >>>>> endurance exercise. >>>>> >>>>> If you do lift weights, remember to give your muscles a chance to >>>>> recuperate. Focus on specific muscles on different days of the week. >>>>> The only part of the body I'm aware of that you can exercise every day >>>>> without strain is the abdomen. Yeah, it's going to feel awful the >>>>> first few days, but once your abdominal muscles become acclimated, you >>>>> will not feel anywhere near as sore. >>>>> >>>>> My own workout routine rarely goes beyond half an hour and usually >>>>> hovers around twenty minutes. I do a mix of sit-ups, pushups, burpees, >>>>> lunges, squats, and planks. I'll usually wrap it up with a go at the >>>>> elliptical machine. >>>>> >>>>> Whatever you do, find the routine that best fits your ability and your >>>>> schedule. Three times a week is usually sufficient. I am not at all a >>>>> fitness expert. I read enough articles and talked to enough >>>>> enthusiasts to figure out how to do things right but then developed >>>>> the regiment that best serves my lifestyle. And, while exercise can go >>>>> a long way in helping you feel better about your image, don't forget >>>>> to make health and fitness the primary purpose for working out. Do it >>>>> for your own peace of mind and not for the purpose of looking a >>>>> certain way because that could become a steep hill. If we think about >>>>> it that way, there's usually something else and something else beyond >>>>> that we feel we need to do to fit someone else's image of what we >>>>> ought to look like. >>>>> >>>>> Good luck! >>>>> >>>>> Joe >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 7/7/16, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L >>>> > >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > I only gave those up for part of the 12 - 16 weeks that i dieted for >>>>> > competition. When trying to get into contest shape you need to eat >>>>> > only unprocessed food and those that do not raise blood sugar. I did >>>>> > every a free day every two weeks so i did have dairy then. >>>>> > >>>>> > On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Kayla James via NABS-L >>>> > >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >> Don't you have to give up certain foods to do bodybuilding? Like, >>>>> >> important ones like fruit and dairy. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On 7/7/16, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L >>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> >> wrote: >>>>> >> > I like to walk on treadmill. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > Sent from my iPad >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> >> On Jul 7, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L < >>>>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>> >> >> wrote: >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> I am not totally blind but when I wanted to lose weight I >>>>> >> >> changed my >>>>> >> diet >>>>> >> >> and then started lifting weights. I actually ended up being a >>>>> >> >> top national level competitive bodybuilder. Most gyms have >>>>> >> >> personal trainers that can teach you and help with the layout of >>>>> >> >> the gym. Also you could get a workout partner. Most people who >>>>> >> >> lift like to workout with a partner. >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> Suzanne >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >>> wrote: >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >>> Hi Kayla, the majority of weight loss comes from changing your >>>> diet. >>>>> >> Try >>>>> >> >>> giving up sodas and juices and only drink water. Eat healthier, >>>>> >> >>> smaller meals, and foods high in fiber. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Kayla James via NABS-L >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> >> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> What are some ways that blind people can do to lose weight? >>>>> >> >>>> The exercise videos I'm finding are so visual on Youtube. Can >>>>> >> >>>> anyone help? >>>>> >> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >> >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> >> >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>> >> >>>> info for >>>>> >> >>> NABS-L: >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth. >>>>> net >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >> >>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> >> >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>> >> >>> info >>>>> for >>>>> >> >>> NABS-L: >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >>>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >> >> NABS-L mailing list 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00:37:08 2016 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 19:37:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille In-Reply-To: References: <57816d33.8a5b810a.306f6.4112@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I have a braille note apex at the moment, but the only reason I got it, was because I want to upgrade to the touch, if I can come up with the needed money. I got a very good deal on it. I got my apex for 1600. I was able to come up with the money because of some tech-support I gave teaching someone the victor stream. I would most go with the touch. I want one so bad. On 7/9/16, Cullen via NABS-L wrote: > I just remembered an advantage to the touch. In a firmware update, KNFB > reader will be a part of the touch, so if you enjoy that amazing app, it > will be included on the touch. Looking forward to testing that out. > Cullen >> On Jul 9, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Hi Ashley, >> >> As an Apex user, I would definitely suggest getting a newer notetaker like >> the Touch or the Neo or maybe even the Braillesense. I like my Apex a >> lot, but the software is hopelessly out of date because it's running >> Windows CE, which has been dead for years. That means basically every >> website I go to tells me that my browser is not supported and that I need >> to upgrade to a modern browser, and a lot of them don't work at all. It >> still works now, but if you're going to buy something, I wouldn't invest >> in a notetaker that is at the edge of being obsolete. There are a few >> things the Touch doesn't do that the Apex does. It no longer reads >> keyword files, and it now has a separate word processor that defaults to >> using docx and a braille file reading and writing utility instead of one >> word processor that can do both. They've also gotten rid of block >> commands and replaced it with highlighing chunks of text, which I >> personally find annoying. And the databases from keybase are no longer >> supported, and there isn't a way of transfering the e-mail or address list >> databases, though Mike Tindal told me there's a way of uploading my >> addresses to GMail from the Apex so I'll still have them on the Touch. >> >> HTH, >> Karl >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 16:57:10 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille >> >> Hi Katie, >> I'm also interested in a new notetaker. But I might just purchase the >> apex >> before they stop making them. >> Does the braille note touch have everything the apex does plus more bells >> and whistles? >> How much does the braille note touch cost versus the neo braille? >> >> My understanding is the apex has internet capability through wifi built >> into >> it. It also has bluetooth connections available to a smart phone or >> tablet >> such as an ipod touch or ipad. >> Also the apex has ability to read NLS books from bard unlike my braille >> Note. >> So, I think the apex or new Braille touch would meet my needs. >> Still interested in the neo braille so I can decide. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Katie Wang via NABS-L >> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 6:15 PM >> To: david.thomas at davidthetechguy.com ; National Association of Blind >> Students mailing list >> Cc: Katie Wang >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille >> >> Hi Vejas and all, >> >> I also plan to replace my Braille Note Apex with a new note-taker >> within the next year or so, so I'm very interested in this thread. I >> have been intrigued by the Braille Note Touch - Do people have >> specific opinions/thoughts about its user interface? Is the touch >> screen intuitive to use? Could most functions be carried out using the >> keyboard cover if one prefers not to use the touch screen? Thanks for >> any input! >> >> Katie >> >> On 7/7/16, David Thomas via NABS-L wrote: >> Hello, >> The notetaker missing in this discussion is the El Braille. This >> notetaker >> is a full Windows 10 Machine with 14 cells of refreshable braille, and a >> promising outlook as it will receive updates at the same time that other >> Windows 10 devices get updated. Another benefit of this device is the >> ability for network administrators to easily integrate it into >> pre-existing networks, and for the blind user to be able to use all >> business protocols such as exchange, Skype for Business, and other >> business collaboration packages on the market today. My worry about the >> group of Android notetakers that are being released to the market today >> is >> the possibility of them not being updated. An example of an Android >> notetaker gone wrong is the APH braille Plus that was released in 2011 >> running 2.3 gingerbread. At that time gingerbread had been out for 1 >> year, >> and Google had already unveiled Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich. Yes I >> understand it is a lot of work to keep a notetaker up-to-date, but it is >> really a necessary thing if we are expected to compete on a level playing >> field. >> The next question this brings me to is "Do we actually need a notetaker?" >> I personally have come to the conclusion of no, and have implemented a >> system using an iPhone, and a braille display for my simple note taker >> needs. This solution insures that I am using a mainstream device while >> retaining the lovely braille output we have come to love. >> Regards >> David Thomas >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin >> Adam via NABS-L >> Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 3:27 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: Karl Martin Adam >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille >> >> The Neo is an Android notetaker with the ability to download and use all >> accessible Android apps from the Google Play Store, just like the Touch. >> The BrailleSense doesn't have that capability, and it's an older design, >> so you would have it for fewer years before they come out with the next >> hardware revision. I didn't really compare the Neo to the BrailleSense >> in >> terms of specs because I was mostly looking at the Touch and the Neo. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: justin via NABS-L > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> > Date sent: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 14:37:38 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille >> >> How does it stack up to the braille sense u2? >> Justin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin >> Adam via NABS-L >> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 1:47 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Cc: Karl Martin Adam > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille >> >> Yes I did see it. The guy from Irie didn't know much about how the >> software or user interface works (Irie is only the distributor not the >> manufacturer), so I don't know how efficient it is to actually use. It >> is >> less expensive than the Braillenote Touch though with significantly >> better >> memory, processor speed, and running a newer version of Android, and most >> importantly for me will have the option of a qwerty smart case, so I am >> very excited to learn more once it actually comes on the market at the >> end >> of the month. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Date sent: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 10:35:33 -0700 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille >> >> Hi All, >> I was wondering if anyone at convention who went to the exhibit hall, saw >> the Neo-Braille, presented by Irie AT. It is a notetaker that is so new >> that many people have not heard of it. >> In fact, I never heard it announced anywhere else at convention, so if I >> hadn't gone to their table I probably never would have heard about it >> myself. >> If you did see it, I would appreciate it if you could tell me your >> opinion >> on it and whether you feel it would make a good notetaker. I currently >> have a Braille note and am looking within the next year of either getting >> the one I just described, or a Braille sense U 2. >> Thanks. >> Vejas >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma >> il.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia >> ms2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma >> il.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/david.thomas% >> 40davidth >> etechguy.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%4 >> 0gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >> 0earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma >> il.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gallagher123123%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > From christgirl813 at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 01:07:12 2016 From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 20:07:12 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight In-Reply-To: References: <001201d1d7c0$9aaa9be0$cfffd3a0$@gmail.com> <1EB4C255AEB94529B2273F3355CE5542@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I'll have to see. The neighborhood I live in isn't that good. I'd have to go over into the next neighborhood or head to a Y in Chicago. On 7/9/16, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L wrote: > It can definitely be worthwhile if you're going to continue to use the > membership for a while. The Y is pretty good for having cheap plans, > and usually offers some cool classes. Community centers sometimes > offer classes at a low cost as well. I'd evaluate whether or not > you're willing to commit to a weekly class or not before buying so > that you'll know if you are going to get your money's worth. If you > have a rec center on your campus that might be the best option, as > those plans are probably the cheapest. My university offers ten class > passes for $30 and all-access semester passes for $45. If you also > just want to set aside time to run on a tredmill and do some weights > on your own then the rec center would probably be free. At my school > you're free to do independent workouts without payment. > > On 7/9/16, Kayla James via NABS-L wrote: >> Maybe I should get a gym membership. I don't know. >> >> On 7/9/16, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L wrote: >>> Hi Kayla, >>> >>> Working out is different for everyone, but if you have the money and >>> desire for it, sometimes classes can be great. I took a spinning and >>> core strength class at my university rec center last semester and >>> loved it. I plan to take it again because spinning for me was a fun >>> way to work on cardio, and the instructors were really willing to make >>> their explanations descriptive for me. It did take me a bit longer to >>> learn the four positions we used, but once I learned how I was >>> supposed to be through feedback from my instructor it was easy to >>> follow along. I also took a yoga class and loved that as well. Barre >>> is something I want to try, and cardio drumming is also something I >>> was really jealous of people at National Convention for this year >>> since I wasn't there to try it out. Try to find a class like the >>> spinning and strength one if you can, because they'll work both cardio >>> and strength. That class had us on the bikes for about 40 minutes, >>> then we did stretching and work with small hand weights for the last >>> 10 or 15 minutes. >>> >>> On 7/9/16, Kayla James via NABS-L wrote: >>>> Thank you to everyone who is helping me with this. I walk, do >>>> calisthenics (more than walking for this week), and I lifted a >>>> kettlebell. I tried the President's Challenge, but I skip two or three >>>> days, not in a row, but still... and now I feel guilty. I don't know >>>> what's wrong with me. Maybe I'm just depressed or something. >>>> But thank you for helping me, guys. You all are very kind. >>>> >>>> Kayla >>>> >>>> On 7/9/16, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L wrote: >>>>> Justin, >>>>> >>>>> Well said. When I had a personal trainer, she said pretty much what >>>>> you >>>>> did. >>>>> >>>>> In addition to a balanced diet meaning ocasional sweet food and lots >>>>> of >>>>> fiber food and medium to low carbs, you should have strength training >>>>> and >>>>> cardio. >>>>> If only cardio, you will lose muscle which seems to be happening to me >>>>> as >>>>> I've not done my strength training in a while. >>>>> >>>>> Everyone is different. In general though, cardio should be done to >>>>> burn >>>>> fat >>>>> >>>>> and keep toned and have endurance. Cardio should be done at least 3 >>>>> times >>>>> a >>>>> >>>>> week for 30 minutes or more. But for weight loss, better to make it >>>>> five >>>>> or >>>>> >>>>> six days. >>>>> For lifting weights, 3 times is best, but don't lift in consecutive >>>>> days >>>>> because your muscles need time to recover. >>>>> But actually two times a week is okay and will help with weight loss. >>>>> When I was able to lose weight, I did twice a week and that worked >>>>> fine >>>>> for >>>>> >>>>> me for the strength part. >>>>> My trainer recommended five days of cardio for 30 minutes each or if >>>>> low >>>>> intensity do like 45 minutes to 60 minutes. I mean if you fast walked >>>>> on >>>>> a >>>>> treadmill at say 3.5 miles an hour, that is low intensity. But if you >>>>> combined walking with jogging, you could do less time because its >>>>> higher >>>>> intensity. >>>>> My trainer recommended lifting for 2 to 3 days a week. >>>>> But if you do lifting, remember to warm up with some cardio and >>>>> stretch >>>>> afterward. >>>>> >>>>> Ashley >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: justin via NABS-L >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 3:57 PM >>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>> Cc: justin >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight >>>>> >>>>> You have to keep the cardio and muscle training balanced in order not >>>>> to >>>>> lose muscle, and slow donw metabolism too much. Lift weights three >>>>> times >>>>> a >>>>> week, run thre times a week. >>>>> >>>>> justin >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne >>>>> Germano >>>>> via NABS-L >>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 3:19 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>>> Cc: Suzanne Germano >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight >>>>> >>>>> It is actually better to use strength training to lose weight over >>>>> cardiovascular like jogging or ellipticals. Weight training has >>>>> affects >>>>> on >>>>> your cells for several hours adter you workout. Cardio on the other >>>>> hand >>>>> only burns while you are doing it. Cardio often actually leads to a >>>>> slow >>>>> down of metabolism and loss of muscle. It you prefer not to lift >>>>> weights >>>>> than high intensity like plyometrics would be a mych netter choice >>>>> than >>>>> tradtional forms of cardio. You can get bands and do a pretty intense >>>>> workout at home. I have some bands that you can conbime together and >>>>> get >>>>> the >>>>> weight to be 100lbs >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Joe Orozco via NABS-L >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Suzanne brings up a great point. There are, as far as I know, four >>>>>> types of exercise: endurance, strength, balance, and flexibility. >>>>>> Certain exercises have the benefit of cross-applying to different >>>>>> types of training. Weight lifting would naturally best serve >>>>>> strength, >>>>>> but if what you're looking for is a means to drop weight to fit into >>>>>> certain clothes, endurance could be your focus for its ability to >>>>>> improve your circulatory system and generally improve your fitness. >>>>>> >>>>>> There are multiple activities you could tackle for endurance. Someone >>>>>> mentioned the treadmill. I enjoy using that but prefer the elliptical >>>>>> myself. Regardless, the idea here is not just to get on the machine >>>>>> and walk for fifteen minutes or so. Move at a fast clip to actually >>>>>> give your body a good workout. Otherwise you're better off strolling >>>>>> around the neighborhood and enjoy a better scenery. What I sometimes >>>>>> do is hop on, get into a fast jog for a couple minutes, then spend >>>>>> the >>>>>> next few minutes going full out sprint. Get your heart rate and lungs >>>>>> working overtime. Dial it back to catch your breath and then crank it >>>>>> up again for a good cardio routine. Of course, remember to keep it >>>>>> within your ability. Don't overdo any of it, and drink plenty of >>>>>> water. >>>>>> >>>>>> There are other activities you can do for endurance. Mowing the lawn, >>>>>> raking and digging can knock out chores around the house and provide >>>>>> a >>>>>> great workout. You can also dance, swim, and climb stairs or hills. >>>>>> If >>>>>> you can find someone to go tandem biking with, that can be a perfect >>>>>> endurance exercise. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you do lift weights, remember to give your muscles a chance to >>>>>> recuperate. Focus on specific muscles on different days of the week. >>>>>> The only part of the body I'm aware of that you can exercise every >>>>>> day >>>>>> without strain is the abdomen. Yeah, it's going to feel awful the >>>>>> first few days, but once your abdominal muscles become acclimated, >>>>>> you >>>>>> will not feel anywhere near as sore. >>>>>> >>>>>> My own workout routine rarely goes beyond half an hour and usually >>>>>> hovers around twenty minutes. I do a mix of sit-ups, pushups, >>>>>> burpees, >>>>>> lunges, squats, and planks. I'll usually wrap it up with a go at the >>>>>> elliptical machine. >>>>>> >>>>>> Whatever you do, find the routine that best fits your ability and >>>>>> your >>>>>> schedule. Three times a week is usually sufficient. I am not at all a >>>>>> fitness expert. I read enough articles and talked to enough >>>>>> enthusiasts to figure out how to do things right but then developed >>>>>> the regiment that best serves my lifestyle. And, while exercise can >>>>>> go >>>>>> a long way in helping you feel better about your image, don't forget >>>>>> to make health and fitness the primary purpose for working out. Do it >>>>>> for your own peace of mind and not for the purpose of looking a >>>>>> certain way because that could become a steep hill. If we think about >>>>>> it that way, there's usually something else and something else beyond >>>>>> that we feel we need to do to fit someone else's image of what we >>>>>> ought to look like. >>>>>> >>>>>> Good luck! >>>>>> >>>>>> Joe >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7/7/16, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L >>>>> > >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > I only gave those up for part of the 12 - 16 weeks that i dieted >>>>>> > for >>>>>> > competition. When trying to get into contest shape you need to eat >>>>>> > only unprocessed food and those that do not raise blood sugar. I >>>>>> > did >>>>>> > every a free day every two weeks so i did have dairy then. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Kayla James via NABS-L >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> Don't you have to give up certain foods to do bodybuilding? Like, >>>>>> >> important ones like fruit and dairy. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> On 7/7/16, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L >>>>> >> >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> wrote: >>>>>> >> > I like to walk on treadmill. >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > Sent from my iPad >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> >> On Jul 7, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L < >>>>>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>>> >> >> wrote: >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> I am not totally blind but when I wanted to lose weight I >>>>>> >> >> changed my >>>>>> >> diet >>>>>> >> >> and then started lifting weights. I actually ended up being a >>>>>> >> >> top national level competitive bodybuilder. Most gyms have >>>>>> >> >> personal trainers that can teach you and help with the layout >>>>>> >> >> of >>>>>> >> >> the gym. Also you could get a workout partner. Most people who >>>>>> >> >> lift like to workout with a partner. >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> Suzanne >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >>> wrote: >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >>> Hi Kayla, the majority of weight loss comes from changing your >>>>> diet. >>>>>> >> Try >>>>>> >> >>> giving up sodas and juices and only drink water. Eat >>>>>> >> >>> healthier, >>>>>> >> >>> smaller meals, and foods high in fiber. >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>>>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Kayla James via NABS-L >>>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>> >> >>>> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>> >>>>>> >> >>>> What are some ways that blind people can do to lose weight? >>>>>> >> >>>> The exercise videos I'm finding are so visual on Youtube. Can >>>>>> >> >>>> anyone help? >>>>>> >> >>>> >>>>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >> >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> >> >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>> >> >>>> info for >>>>>> >> >>> NABS-L: >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth. >>>>>> net >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >> >>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> >> >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>> >> >>> info >>>>>> for >>>>>> >> >>> NABS-L: >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >>>>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >> 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Kaiti Shelton >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti Shelton > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com > From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 01:14:12 2016 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 21:14:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing In-Reply-To: <6A1F6966-66D1-4ECE-92E8-2E76644B21CB@gmail.com> References: <012e01d1d91d$2e808a70$8b819f50$@gmail.com> <6A1F6966-66D1-4ECE-92E8-2E76644B21CB@gmail.com> Message-ID: I second that Team Talk works great. I have had success using the IOS app and like it well enough. I can't comment on the PC client as I don't use it there, but I'd recommend checking it out. On 7/9/16, Simon via NABS-L wrote: > TeamTalk is a great system, it has great audio quality and a recording > function built in > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:32 AM, justin via NABS-L wrote: >> >> >> >> Does anyone know how to record a call on skype? >> >> Second, does anyone know of any other general conferencing platforms >> where >> the call can be recorded other than skype? >> >> Go to meeting does not seem to work with JAWS. >> >> Justin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti Shelton From oliver.doug1 at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 01:17:46 2016 From: oliver.doug1 at gmail.com (Doug Oliver) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 20:17:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing References: <012e01d1d91d$2e808a70$8b819f50$@gmail.com><6A1F6966-66D1-4ECE-92E8-2E76644B21CB@gmail.com> Message-ID: <023c01d1da48$de782010$0b00a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1> Teamtalk is better. I'd have to agree with that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Cc: "Kaiti Shelton" Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing >I second that Team Talk works great. I have had success using the IOS > app and like it well enough. I can't comment on the PC client as I > don't use it there, but I'd recommend checking it out. > > On 7/9/16, Simon via NABS-L wrote: >> TeamTalk is a great system, it has great audio quality and a recording >> function built in >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:32 AM, justin via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Does anyone know how to record a call on skype? >>> >>> Second, does anyone know of any other general conferencing platforms >>> where >>> the call can be recorded other than skype? >>> >>> Go to meeting does not seem to work with JAWS. >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti Shelton > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 02:05:00 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 22:05:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing In-Reply-To: <023c01d1da48$de782010$0b00a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1> References: <012e01d1d91d$2e808a70$8b819f50$@gmail.com><6A1F6966-66D1-4ECE-92E8-2E76644B21CB@gmail.com> <023c01d1da48$de782010$0b00a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1> Message-ID: <00d101d1d986$4d095f80$e71c1e80$@gmail.com> Dug, hav eyou used it with the pc client? Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug Oliver via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 9:18 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Doug Oliver Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing Teamtalk is better. I'd have to agree with that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Cc: "Kaiti Shelton" Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing >I second that Team Talk works great. I have had success using the IOS > app and like it well enough. I can't comment on the PC client as I > don't use it there, but I'd recommend checking it out. > > On 7/9/16, Simon via NABS-L wrote: >> TeamTalk is a great system, it has great audio quality and a recording >> function built in >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:32 AM, justin via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Does anyone know how to record a call on skype? >>> >>> Second, does anyone know of any other general conferencing platforms >>> where >>> the call can be recorded other than skype? >>> >>> Go to meeting does not seem to work with JAWS. >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmai l.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti Shelton > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From oliver.doug1 at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 01:44:10 2016 From: oliver.doug1 at gmail.com (Doug Oliver) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 20:44:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing References: <012e01d1d91d$2e808a70$8b819f50$@gmail.com><6A1F6966-66D1-4ECE-92E8-2E76644B21CB@gmail.com> <023c01d1da48$de782010$0b00a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1> <00d101d1d986$4d095f80$e71c1e80$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <025b01d1da4c$8e8203b0$0b00a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1> Yes, I have. I in fact use the JAWS scripts for teamtalk. ----- Original Message ----- From: "justin via NABS-L" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Cc: "justin" Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing > Dug, hav eyou used it with the pc client? > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug Oliver > via > NABS-L > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 9:18 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: Doug Oliver > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing > > Teamtalk is better. I'd have to agree with that. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Cc: "Kaiti Shelton" > Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 8:14 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing > > >>I second that Team Talk works great. I have had success using the IOS >> app and like it well enough. I can't comment on the PC client as I >> don't use it there, but I'd recommend checking it out. >> >> On 7/9/16, Simon via NABS-L wrote: >>> TeamTalk is a great system, it has great audio quality and a recording >>> function built in >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:32 AM, justin via NABS-L >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Does anyone know how to record a call on skype? >>>> >>>> Second, does anyone know of any other general conferencing platforms >>>> where >>>> the call can be recorded other than skype? >>>> >>>> Go to meeting does not seem to work with JAWS. >>>> >>>> Justin >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmai > l.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Kaiti Shelton >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 02:19:39 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 22:19:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing In-Reply-To: <025b01d1da4c$8e8203b0$0b00a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1> References: <012e01d1d91d$2e808a70$8b819f50$@gmail.com><6A1F6966-66D1-4ECE-92E8-2E76644B21CB@gmail.com> <023c01d1da48$de782010$0b00a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1> <00d101d1d986$4d095f80$e71c1e80$@gmail.com> <025b01d1da4c$8e8203b0$0b00a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1> Message-ID: <00d201d1d988$59282d80$0b788880$@gmail.com> Can it connect to skype, or call soemone's phone? Can it record like skype? How do I connect wth someone who does not have it? Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug Oliver via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 9:44 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Doug Oliver Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing Yes, I have. I in fact use the JAWS scripts for teamtalk. ----- Original Message ----- From: "justin via NABS-L" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Cc: "justin" Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing > Dug, hav eyou used it with the pc client? > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug Oliver > via > NABS-L > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 9:18 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: Doug Oliver > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing > > Teamtalk is better. I'd have to agree with that. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Cc: "Kaiti Shelton" > Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 8:14 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing > > >>I second that Team Talk works great. I have had success using the IOS >> app and like it well enough. I can't comment on the PC client as I >> don't use it there, but I'd recommend checking it out. >> >> On 7/9/16, Simon via NABS-L wrote: >>> TeamTalk is a great system, it has great audio quality and a recording >>> function built in >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:32 AM, justin via NABS-L >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Does anyone know how to record a call on skype? >>>> >>>> Second, does anyone know of any other general conferencing platforms >>>> where >>>> the call can be recorded other than skype? >>>> >>>> Go to meeting does not seem to work with JAWS. >>>> >>>> Justin >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmai > l.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Kaiti Shelton >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 02:20:03 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 22:20:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing In-Reply-To: <025b01d1da4c$8e8203b0$0b00a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1> References: <012e01d1d91d$2e808a70$8b819f50$@gmail.com><6A1F6966-66D1-4ECE-92E8-2E76644B21CB@gmail.com> <023c01d1da48$de782010$0b00a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1> <00d101d1d986$4d095f80$e71c1e80$@gmail.com> <025b01d1da4c$8e8203b0$0b00a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1> Message-ID: <00d301d1d988$676e0c20$364a2460$@gmail.com> Oh, and how do I get those scripts? Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug Oliver via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 9:44 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Doug Oliver Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing Yes, I have. I in fact use the JAWS scripts for teamtalk. ----- Original Message ----- From: "justin via NABS-L" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Cc: "justin" Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing > Dug, hav eyou used it with the pc client? > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug Oliver > via > NABS-L > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 9:18 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: Doug Oliver > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing > > Teamtalk is better. I'd have to agree with that. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Cc: "Kaiti Shelton" > Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 8:14 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing > > >>I second that Team Talk works great. I have had success using the IOS >> app and like it well enough. I can't comment on the PC client as I >> don't use it there, but I'd recommend checking it out. >> >> On 7/9/16, Simon via NABS-L wrote: >>> TeamTalk is a great system, it has great audio quality and a recording >>> function built in >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:32 AM, justin via NABS-L >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Does anyone know how to record a call on skype? >>>> >>>> Second, does anyone know of any other general conferencing platforms >>>> where >>>> the call can be recorded other than skype? >>>> >>>> Go to meeting does not seem to work with JAWS. >>>> >>>> Justin >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmai > l.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Kaiti Shelton >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From oliver.doug1 at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 01:52:50 2016 From: oliver.doug1 at gmail.com (Doug Oliver) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 20:52:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing References: <012e01d1d91d$2e808a70$8b819f50$@gmail.com><6A1F6966-66D1-4ECE-92E8-2E76644B21CB@gmail.com> <023c01d1da48$de782010$0b00a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1> <00d101d1d986$4d095f80$e71c1e80$@gmail.com><025b01d1da4c$8e8203b0$0b00a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1> <00d201d1d988$59282d80$0b788880$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <02b101d1da4d$c415e040$0b00a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1> you can't, both of you and the other person have to have it and a server to connect to. ----- Original Message ----- From: "justin via NABS-L" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Cc: "justin" Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing > Can it connect to skype, or call soemone's phone? Can it record like > skype? > How do I connect wth someone who does not have it? > Justin > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug Oliver > via > NABS-L > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 9:44 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: Doug Oliver > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing > > Yes, I have. > I in fact use the JAWS scripts for teamtalk. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "justin via NABS-L" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Cc: "justin" > Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:05 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing > > >> Dug, hav eyou used it with the pc client? >> Justin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug Oliver >> via >> NABS-L >> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 9:18 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Doug Oliver >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing >> >> Teamtalk is better. I'd have to agree with that. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Cc: "Kaiti Shelton" >> Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 8:14 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing >> >> >>>I second that Team Talk works great. I have had success using the IOS >>> app and like it well enough. I can't comment on the PC client as I >>> don't use it there, but I'd recommend checking it out. >>> >>> On 7/9/16, Simon via NABS-L wrote: >>>> TeamTalk is a great system, it has great audio quality and a recording >>>> function built in >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:32 AM, justin via NABS-L >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone know how to record a call on skype? >>>>> >>>>> Second, does anyone know of any other general conferencing platforms >>>>> where >>>>> the call can be recorded other than skype? >>>>> >>>>> Go to meeting does not seem to work with JAWS. >>>>> >>>>> Justin >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmai >> l.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Kaiti Shelton >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com From oliver.doug1 at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 01:53:32 2016 From: oliver.doug1 at gmail.com (Doug Oliver) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 20:53:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing References: <012e01d1d91d$2e808a70$8b819f50$@gmail.com><6A1F6966-66D1-4ECE-92E8-2E76644B21CB@gmail.com> <023c01d1da48$de782010$0b00a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1> <00d101d1d986$4d095f80$e71c1e80$@gmail.com><025b01d1da4c$8e8203b0$0b00a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1> <00d301d1d988$676e0c20$364a2460$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <02b701d1da4d$dd6ab570$0b00a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1> You can go to http://dlee.org and find the link that says JAWS scripts, or if your using skype, JAWS scripts for skype respectively. Best, Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "justin via NABS-L" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Cc: "justin" Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing > Oh, and how do I get those scripts? > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug Oliver > via > NABS-L > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 9:44 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: Doug Oliver > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing > > Yes, I have. > I in fact use the JAWS scripts for teamtalk. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "justin via NABS-L" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Cc: "justin" > Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:05 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing > > >> Dug, hav eyou used it with the pc client? >> Justin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug Oliver >> via >> NABS-L >> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 9:18 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Doug Oliver >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing >> >> Teamtalk is better. I'd have to agree with that. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Cc: "Kaiti Shelton" >> Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 8:14 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing >> >> >>>I second that Team Talk works great. I have had success using the IOS >>> app and like it well enough. I can't comment on the PC client as I >>> don't use it there, but I'd recommend checking it out. >>> >>> On 7/9/16, Simon via NABS-L wrote: >>>> TeamTalk is a great system, it has great audio quality and a recording >>>> function built in >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:32 AM, justin via NABS-L >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone know how to record a call on skype? >>>>> >>>>> Second, does anyone know of any other general conferencing platforms >>>>> where >>>>> the call can be recorded other than skype? >>>>> >>>>> Go to meeting does not seem to work with JAWS. >>>>> >>>>> Justin >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmai >> l.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Kaiti Shelton >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 02:25:29 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 22:25:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing In-Reply-To: <02b101d1da4d$c415e040$0b00a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1> References: <012e01d1d91d$2e808a70$8b819f50$@gmail.com><6A1F6966-66D1-4ECE-92E8-2E76644B21CB@gmail.com> <023c01d1da48$de782010$0b00a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1> <00d101d1d986$4d095f80$e71c1e80$@gmail.com><025b01d1da4c$8e8203b0$0b00a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1> <00d201d1d988$59282d80$0b788880$@gmail.com> <02b101d1da4d$c415e040$0b00a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1> Message-ID: <00d501d1d989$2988e780$7c9ab680$@gmail.com> Lkay; so they'd have to download it then. Got you. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug Oliver via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 9:53 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Doug Oliver Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing you can't, both of you and the other person have to have it and a server to connect to. ----- Original Message ----- From: "justin via NABS-L" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Cc: "justin" Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing > Can it connect to skype, or call soemone's phone? Can it record like > skype? > How do I connect wth someone who does not have it? > Justin > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug Oliver > via > NABS-L > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 9:44 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: Doug Oliver > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing > > Yes, I have. > I in fact use the JAWS scripts for teamtalk. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "justin via NABS-L" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Cc: "justin" > Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:05 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing > > >> Dug, hav eyou used it with the pc client? >> Justin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug Oliver >> via >> NABS-L >> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 9:18 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Doug Oliver >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing >> >> Teamtalk is better. I'd have to agree with that. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Cc: "Kaiti Shelton" >> Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 8:14 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing >> >> >>>I second that Team Talk works great. I have had success using the IOS >>> app and like it well enough. I can't comment on the PC client as I >>> don't use it there, but I'd recommend checking it out. >>> >>> On 7/9/16, Simon via NABS-L wrote: >>>> TeamTalk is a great system, it has great audio quality and a recording >>>> function built in >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:32 AM, justin via NABS-L >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone know how to record a call on skype? >>>>> >>>>> Second, does anyone know of any other general conferencing platforms >>>>> where >>>>> the call can be recorded other than skype? >>>>> >>>>> Go to meeting does not seem to work with JAWS. >>>>> >>>>> Justin >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmai >> l.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Kaiti Shelton >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From oliver.doug1 at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 01:57:20 2016 From: oliver.doug1 at gmail.com (Doug Oliver) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 20:57:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing References: <012e01d1d91d$2e808a70$8b819f50$@gmail.com><6A1F6966-66D1-4ECE-92E8-2E76644B21CB@gmail.com> <023c01d1da48$de782010$0b00a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1> <00d101d1d986$4d095f80$e71c1e80$@gmail.com><025b01d1da4c$8e8203b0$0b00a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1> <00d201d1d988$59282d80$0b788880$@gmail.com><02b101d1da4d$c415e040$0b00a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1> <00d501d1d989$2988e780$7c9ab680$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <02e301d1da4e$658e64b0$0b00a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1> yes, they would. ----- Original Message ----- From: "justin via NABS-L" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Cc: "justin" Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing > Lkay; so they'd have to download it then. > Got you. > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug Oliver > via > NABS-L > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 9:53 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: Doug Oliver > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing > > you can't, both of you and the other person have to have it and a server > to > connect to. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "justin via NABS-L" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Cc: "justin" > Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:19 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing > > >> Can it connect to skype, or call soemone's phone? Can it record like >> skype? >> How do I connect wth someone who does not have it? >> Justin >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug Oliver >> via >> NABS-L >> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 9:44 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Doug Oliver >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing >> >> Yes, I have. >> I in fact use the JAWS scripts for teamtalk. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "justin via NABS-L" >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> >> Cc: "justin" >> Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:05 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing >> >> >>> Dug, hav eyou used it with the pc client? >>> Justin >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug Oliver >>> via >>> NABS-L >>> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 9:18 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Cc: Doug Oliver >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing >>> >>> Teamtalk is better. I'd have to agree with that. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Cc: "Kaiti Shelton" >>> Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 8:14 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing >>> >>> >>>>I second that Team Talk works great. I have had success using the IOS >>>> app and like it well enough. I can't comment on the PC client as I >>>> don't use it there, but I'd recommend checking it out. >>>> >>>> On 7/9/16, Simon via NABS-L wrote: >>>>> TeamTalk is a great system, it has great audio quality and a recording >>>>> function built in >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:32 AM, justin via NABS-L >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Does anyone know how to record a call on skype? >>>>>> >>>>>> Second, does anyone know of any other general conferencing platforms >>>>>> where >>>>>> the call can be recorded other than skype? >>>>>> >>>>>> Go to meeting does not seem to work with JAWS. >>>>>> >>>>>> Justin >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>> >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmai >>> l.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Kaiti Shelton >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 02:32:03 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 22:32:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing In-Reply-To: <02e301d1da4e$658e64b0$0b00a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1> References: <012e01d1d91d$2e808a70$8b819f50$@gmail.com><6A1F6966-66D1-4ECE-92E8-2E76644B21CB@gmail.com> <023c01d1da48$de782010$0b00a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1> <00d101d1d986$4d095f80$e71c1e80$@gmail.com><025b01d1da4c$8e8203b0$0b00a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1> <00d201d1d988$59282d80$0b788880$@gmail.com><02b101d1da4d$c415e040$0b00a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1> <00d501d1d989$2988e780$7c9ab680$@gmail.com> <02e301d1da4e$658e64b0$0b00a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1> Message-ID: <00d701d1d98a$14bd7590$3e3860b0$@gmail.com> Thanks Dug. You've been a great help. If I need those scripts I'll ask you. I'm getting a new pc tomorrow, so I don't want to put anything new on this one. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug Oliver via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 9:57 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Doug Oliver Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing yes, they would. ----- Original Message ----- From: "justin via NABS-L" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Cc: "justin" Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing > Lkay; so they'd have to download it then. > Got you. > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug Oliver > via > NABS-L > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 9:53 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: Doug Oliver > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing > > you can't, both of you and the other person have to have it and a server > to > connect to. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "justin via NABS-L" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Cc: "justin" > Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:19 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing > > >> Can it connect to skype, or call soemone's phone? Can it record like >> skype? >> How do I connect wth someone who does not have it? >> Justin >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug Oliver >> via >> NABS-L >> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 9:44 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Doug Oliver >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing >> >> Yes, I have. >> I in fact use the JAWS scripts for teamtalk. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "justin via NABS-L" >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> >> Cc: "justin" >> Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:05 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing >> >> >>> Dug, hav eyou used it with the pc client? >>> Justin >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug Oliver >>> via >>> NABS-L >>> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 9:18 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Cc: Doug Oliver >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing >>> >>> Teamtalk is better. I'd have to agree with that. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Cc: "Kaiti Shelton" >>> Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 8:14 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing >>> >>> >>>>I second that Team Talk works great. I have had success using the IOS >>>> app and like it well enough. I can't comment on the PC client as I >>>> don't use it there, but I'd recommend checking it out. >>>> >>>> On 7/9/16, Simon via NABS-L wrote: >>>>> TeamTalk is a great system, it has great audio quality and a recording >>>>> function built in >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:32 AM, justin via NABS-L >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Does anyone know how to record a call on skype? >>>>>> >>>>>> Second, does anyone know of any other general conferencing platforms >>>>>> where >>>>>> the call can be recorded other than skype? >>>>>> >>>>>> Go to meeting does not seem to work with JAWS. >>>>>> >>>>>> Justin >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>> >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmai >>> l.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Kaiti Shelton >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From oliver.doug1 at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 02:04:31 2016 From: oliver.doug1 at gmail.com (Doug Oliver) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 21:04:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing References: <012e01d1d91d$2e808a70$8b819f50$@gmail.com><6A1F6966-66D1-4ECE-92E8-2E76644B21CB@gmail.com> <023c01d1da48$de782010$0b00a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1> <00d101d1d986$4d095f80$e71c1e80$@gmail.com><025b01d1da4c$8e8203b0$0b00a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1> <00d201d1d988$59282d80$0b788880$@gmail.com><02b101d1da4d$c415e040$0b00a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1> <00d501d1d989$2988e780$7c9ab680$@gmail.com><02e301d1da4e$658e64b0$0b00a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1> <00d701d1d98a$14bd7590$3e3860b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <031301d1da4f$664fea80$0b00a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1> ok. My skype and this goes for anyone that wishes to add me. doliver3183 ----- Original Message ----- From: "justin via NABS-L" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Cc: "justin" Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing > Thanks Dug. > You've been a great help. > If I need those scripts I'll ask you. > I'm getting a new pc tomorrow, so I don't want to put anything new on this > one. > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug Oliver > via > NABS-L > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 9:57 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: Doug Oliver > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing > > yes, they would. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "justin via NABS-L" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Cc: "justin" > Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:25 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing > > >> Lkay; so they'd have to download it then. >> Got you. >> Justin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug Oliver >> via >> NABS-L >> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 9:53 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Doug Oliver >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing >> >> you can't, both of you and the other person have to have it and a server >> to >> connect to. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "justin via NABS-L" >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> >> Cc: "justin" >> Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing >> >> >>> Can it connect to skype, or call soemone's phone? Can it record like >>> skype? >>> How do I connect wth someone who does not have it? >>> Justin >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug Oliver >>> via >>> NABS-L >>> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 9:44 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Cc: Doug Oliver >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing >>> >>> Yes, I have. >>> I in fact use the JAWS scripts for teamtalk. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "justin via NABS-L" >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>> >>> Cc: "justin" >>> Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:05 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing >>> >>> >>>> Dug, hav eyou used it with the pc client? >>>> Justin >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug >>>> Oliver >>>> via >>>> NABS-L >>>> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 9:18 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>> Cc: Doug Oliver >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing >>>> >>>> Teamtalk is better. I'd have to agree with that. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Cc: "Kaiti Shelton" >>>> Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 8:14 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing >>>> >>>> >>>>>I second that Team Talk works great. I have had success using the IOS >>>>> app and like it well enough. I can't comment on the PC client as I >>>>> don't use it there, but I'd recommend checking it out. >>>>> >>>>> On 7/9/16, Simon via NABS-L wrote: >>>>>> TeamTalk is a great system, it has great audio quality and a >>>>>> recording >>>>>> function built in >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:32 AM, justin via NABS-L >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Does anyone know how to record a call on skype? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Second, does anyone know of any other general conferencing platforms >>>>>>> where >>>>>>> the call can be recorded other than skype? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Go to meeting does not seem to work with JAWS. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Justin >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>>> >>>> >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>> >>>> >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmai >>>> l.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Kaiti Shelton >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>>> .com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 03:23:36 2016 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 23:23:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille In-Reply-To: References: <57816d33.8a5b810a.306f6.4112@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Ashley, I agree with the others that it is not a good idea to invest in a Braille Note Apex. Even though it supposedly has email and Internet connectivity, it is not compatible with most websites and email servers. I mostly use mine for reading books and writing documents these days and still really love the unit for these features, but the newer note-takers being discussed on this thread can do so much more. I have actually been contemplating getting a Braille Sense U2 for a while, but now the Touch and the Neobraille have come out I will hold off on making the switch and see what these options might have to offer. Katie On 7/9/16, Joshua Hendrickson via NABS-L wrote: > I have a braille note apex at the moment, but the only reason I got > it, was because I want to upgrade to the touch, if I can come up with > the needed money. I got a very good deal on it. I got my apex for > 1600. I was able to come up with the money because of some > tech-support I gave teaching someone the victor stream. I would most > go with the touch. I want one so bad. > > On 7/9/16, Cullen via NABS-L wrote: >> I just remembered an advantage to the touch. In a firmware update, KNFB >> reader will be a part of the touch, so if you enjoy that amazing app, it >> will be included on the touch. Looking forward to testing that out. >> Cullen >>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Ashley, >>> >>> As an Apex user, I would definitely suggest getting a newer notetaker >>> like >>> the Touch or the Neo or maybe even the Braillesense. I like my Apex a >>> lot, but the software is hopelessly out of date because it's running >>> Windows CE, which has been dead for years. That means basically every >>> website I go to tells me that my browser is not supported and that I >>> need >>> to upgrade to a modern browser, and a lot of them don't work at all. It >>> still works now, but if you're going to buy something, I wouldn't invest >>> in a notetaker that is at the edge of being obsolete. There are a few >>> things the Touch doesn't do that the Apex does. It no longer reads >>> keyword files, and it now has a separate word processor that defaults to >>> using docx and a braille file reading and writing utility instead of one >>> word processor that can do both. They've also gotten rid of block >>> commands and replaced it with highlighing chunks of text, which I >>> personally find annoying. And the databases from keybase are no longer >>> supported, and there isn't a way of transfering the e-mail or address >>> list >>> databases, though Mike Tindal told me there's a way of uploading my >>> addresses to GMail from the Apex so I'll still have them on the Touch. >>> >>> HTH, >>> Karl >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 16:57:10 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille >>> >>> Hi Katie, >>> I'm also interested in a new notetaker. But I might just purchase the >>> apex >>> before they stop making them. >>> Does the braille note touch have everything the apex does plus more >>> bells >>> and whistles? >>> How much does the braille note touch cost versus the neo braille? >>> >>> My understanding is the apex has internet capability through wifi built >>> into >>> it. It also has bluetooth connections available to a smart phone or >>> tablet >>> such as an ipod touch or ipad. >>> Also the apex has ability to read NLS books from bard unlike my braille >>> Note. >>> So, I think the apex or new Braille touch would meet my needs. >>> Still interested in the neo braille so I can decide. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Katie Wang via NABS-L >>> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 6:15 PM >>> To: david.thomas at davidthetechguy.com ; National Association of Blind >>> Students mailing list >>> Cc: Katie Wang >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille >>> >>> Hi Vejas and all, >>> >>> I also plan to replace my Braille Note Apex with a new note-taker >>> within the next year or so, so I'm very interested in this thread. I >>> have been intrigued by the Braille Note Touch - Do people have >>> specific opinions/thoughts about its user interface? Is the touch >>> screen intuitive to use? Could most functions be carried out using the >>> keyboard cover if one prefers not to use the touch screen? Thanks for >>> any input! >>> >>> Katie >>> >>> On 7/7/16, David Thomas via NABS-L wrote: >>> Hello, >>> The notetaker missing in this discussion is the El Braille. This >>> notetaker >>> is a full Windows 10 Machine with 14 cells of refreshable braille, and a >>> promising outlook as it will receive updates at the same time that other >>> Windows 10 devices get updated. Another benefit of this device is the >>> ability for network administrators to easily integrate it into >>> pre-existing networks, and for the blind user to be able to use all >>> business protocols such as exchange, Skype for Business, and other >>> business collaboration packages on the market today. My worry about the >>> group of Android notetakers that are being released to the market today >>> is >>> the possibility of them not being updated. An example of an Android >>> notetaker gone wrong is the APH braille Plus that was released in 2011 >>> running 2.3 gingerbread. At that time gingerbread had been out for 1 >>> year, >>> and Google had already unveiled Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich. Yes I >>> understand it is a lot of work to keep a notetaker up-to-date, but it is >>> really a necessary thing if we are expected to compete on a level >>> playing >>> field. >>> The next question this brings me to is "Do we actually need a >>> notetaker?" >>> I personally have come to the conclusion of no, and have implemented a >>> system using an iPhone, and a braille display for my simple note taker >>> needs. This solution insures that I am using a mainstream device while >>> retaining the lovely braille output we have come to love. >>> Regards >>> David Thomas >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin >>> Adam via NABS-L >>> Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 3:27 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Cc: Karl Martin Adam >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille >>> >>> The Neo is an Android notetaker with the ability to download and use all >>> accessible Android apps from the Google Play Store, just like the Touch. >>> The BrailleSense doesn't have that capability, and it's an older design, >>> so you would have it for fewer years before they come out with the next >>> hardware revision. I didn't really compare the Neo to the BrailleSense >>> in >>> terms of specs because I was mostly looking at the Touch and the Neo. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: justin via NABS-L >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>> >> Date sent: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 14:37:38 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille >>> >>> How does it stack up to the braille sense u2? >>> Justin >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin >>> Adam via NABS-L >>> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 1:47 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Cc: Karl Martin Adam >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille >>> >>> Yes I did see it. The guy from Irie didn't know much about how the >>> software or user interface works (Irie is only the distributor not the >>> manufacturer), so I don't know how efficient it is to actually use. It >>> is >>> less expensive than the Braillenote Touch though with significantly >>> better >>> memory, processor speed, and running a newer version of Android, and >>> most >>> importantly for me will have the option of a qwerty smart case, so I am >>> very excited to learn more once it actually comes on the market at the >>> end >>> of the month. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Date sent: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 10:35:33 -0700 >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille >>> >>> Hi All, >>> I was wondering if anyone at convention who went to the exhibit hall, >>> saw >>> the Neo-Braille, presented by Irie AT. It is a notetaker that is so new >>> that many people have not heard of it. >>> In fact, I never heard it announced anywhere else at convention, so if I >>> hadn't gone to their table I probably never would have heard about it >>> myself. >>> If you did see it, I would appreciate it if you could tell me your >>> opinion >>> on it and whether you feel it would make a good notetaker. I currently >>> have a Braille note and am looking within the next year of either >>> getting >>> the one I just described, or a Braille sense U 2. >>> Thanks. >>> Vejas >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma >>> il.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia >>> ms2%40gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma >>> il.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/david.thomas% >>> 40davidth >>> etechguy.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%4 >>> 0gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >>> 0earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma >>> il.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gallagher123123%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > From jab2bs at mtmail.mtsu.edu Sun Jul 10 03:38:04 2016 From: jab2bs at mtmail.mtsu.edu (James Alan Boehm) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 03:38:04 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] blindsquare vs seeing eye gps In-Reply-To: <008f01d1d975$fa2bcab0$ee836010$@gmail.com> References: <5781169a.840e420a.37269.ffffd552@mx.google.com> <1EA06B3F-8315-4FD6-8D95-B3ADA6DF01ED@gmail.com> <008f01d1d975$fa2bcab0$ee836010$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Good day. Here is my experience with the actual app and then with the companies. As far as apps, I hav eonly used Blind Square. It is relatively easy to use and is very effective. I use it quite often when looking for businesses or buildings on my campus.The Blind Square team are very customer oriented and friendly. If you contact them with an issue, they respond within the day if not sooner. I have been really happy with it’s abilities and features. Now the Seeing Eye app I have not tried. I wanted to though.Last year, I contacted the Sendero and the Seeing Eye app team and asked them if I could have a demo or trail version to see if I like the app before purchasing. After 3 emails and one month later they finally responded. I also told them that I was organizing a state convention and that it would be a great opportunity to promote the app and let some folks try the app; I even offerred to promote and have a discussion on the app. Their reply was, and this was March, that they had already expended all that they could to give out trial or demo version. They said they would not be interested and stated taht people should just purchase the app if they want to try it.Not very customer service oriented. Now notice the difference. I contacted Blind Square They immediately contacted me on the same day and said we would love to have you promote our app at your convention. In fact, they said we will make our app free to all of your attendants at the convention so that anyone can try it out. Plus, they gave us several full version codes that we could give away as door prizes. So here are my thoughts. Blind Square’s customer satisfaction and service far surpasses the other. Also, Blind Square’s app works wonderfully with many great and easy to use features. Thus, I highly recommend the Blind Square app Thanks James Alan Boehm Contact Information: Phone: 901-483-1515 Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com NFB Email: secretary at nfb-tn.org Kustom Cane: kustomcane at gmail.com Blindness never limits-low expectations do! Live the life you want! > On Jul 8, 2016, at 7:08 PM, justin via NABS-L wrote: > > Does anyone know anything about how good the Seeing eye gps app is? > I hear it is great. Has anyone used it? > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alosha Moore > via NABS-L > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:34 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Alosha Moore > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blindsquare vs seeing eye gps > > Good evening Petras: > I believe most people would choose to pay for one or the other, making it > difficult to compare by one person. I personally use BlindSquare in my > travels and love it. It's a great app for planning roots as well as > exploring new locations spontaneously.One thing I love about blind square, > is it's incorporation of other apps such as maps or Google maps, whichever > you prefer and Uber or other local public transit options. I've also found > it to work accurately abroad and easy to use and would highly recommend it. > Best, Alosha. > > Sent from my iPhone. > >> On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:22 AM, petras via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hi, I've been interested in buying the Blind square app, but I would like > to know the difference between both apps. Which one is better? I had jaws > training almost a month ago and discussed about the app. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aloshamoorenfb%40gmail.c > om > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jab2bs%40mtmail.mtsu.edu From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Jul 10 05:17:13 2016 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 01:17:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille In-Reply-To: <57816d33.8a5b810a.306f6.4112@mx.google.com> References: <57816d33.8a5b810a.306f6.4112@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <77D870A59F0F4358B4FC35598BAB774B@OwnerPC> Hi, thanks for the information. Maybe I'll get a used apex since it costs less. Its shocking to me that the new braille note touch from humanware will not read keyword files and they got rid of block commands menu. I love keyword and use block commands menu to manipulate files a lot like inserting smaller files to bigger ones and also deleting or inserting blocks of text. Also surprising to me is they got rid of the databases from keybase; not that I used them much on the braille note empower though, but IMO it was a nice feature. I know humanware had to do something different since as you said windows CE is obselete, but why they had to get rid of keyword, I don't understand. I don't like the idea of buying a touch screen device as I want something tactile to press down on, so the touch does not seem like something for me. I know the braille touch has a keypad to use in place of the touch screen but still I don't like the idea of a visual touch screen on the device. I'll have to research my options including the neo braille. Thanks. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 5:31 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Karl Martin Adam Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille Hi Ashley, As an Apex user, I would definitely suggest getting a newer notetaker like the Touch or the Neo or maybe even the Braillesense. I like my Apex a lot, but the software is hopelessly out of date because it's running Windows CE, which has been dead for years. That means basically every website I go to tells me that my browser is not supported and that I need to upgrade to a modern browser, and a lot of them don't work at all. It still works now, but if you're going to buy something, I wouldn't invest in a notetaker that is at the edge of being obsolete. There are a few things the Touch doesn't do that the Apex does. It no longer reads keyword files, and it now has a separate word processor that defaults to using docx and a braille file reading and writing utility instead of one word processor that can do both. They've also gotten rid of block commands and replaced it with highlighing chunks of text, which I personally find annoying. And the databases from keybase are no longer supported, and there isn't a way of transfering the e-mail or address list databases, though Mike Tindal told me there's a way of uploading my addresses to GMail from the Apex so I'll still have them on the Touch. HTH, Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L wrote: Hello, The notetaker missing in this discussion is the El Braille. This notetaker is a full Windows 10 Machine with 14 cells of refreshable braille, and a promising outlook as it will receive updates at the same time that other Windows 10 devices get updated. Another benefit of this device is the ability for network administrators to easily integrate it into pre-existing networks, and for the blind user to be able to use all business protocols such as exchange, Skype for Business, and other business collaboration packages on the market today. My worry about the group of Android notetakers that are being released to the market today is the possibility of them not being updated. An example of an Android notetaker gone wrong is the APH braille Plus that was released in 2011 running 2.3 gingerbread. At that time gingerbread had been out for 1 year, and Google had already unveiled Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich. Yes I understand it is a lot of work to keep a notetaker up-to-date, but it is really a necessary thing if we are expected to compete on a level playing field. The next question this brings me to is "Do we actually need a notetaker?" I personally have come to the conclusion of no, and have implemented a system using an iPhone, and a braille display for my simple note taker needs. This solution insures that I am using a mainstream device while retaining the lovely braille output we have come to love. Regards David Thomas -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 3:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Karl Martin Adam Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille The Neo is an Android notetaker with the ability to download and use all accessible Android apps from the Google Play Store, just like the Touch. The BrailleSense doesn't have that capability, and it's an older design, so you would have it for fewer years before they come out with the next hardware revision. I didn't really compare the Neo to the BrailleSense in terms of specs because I was mostly looking at the Touch and the Neo. ----- Original Message ----- From: justin via NABS-L References: <012e01d1d91d$2e808a70$8b819f50$@gmail.com><6A1F6966-66D1-4ECE-92E8-2E76644B21CB@gmail.com> Message-ID: Is this similar to skype like you can call people and record the calls? Is this option video too or just audio? I assume you can record it right on your pc. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 9:14 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Kaiti Shelton Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing I second that Team Talk works great. I have had success using the IOS app and like it well enough. I can't comment on the PC client as I don't use it there, but I'd recommend checking it out. On 7/9/16, Simon via NABS-L wrote: > TeamTalk is a great system, it has great audio quality and a recording > function built in > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:32 AM, justin via NABS-L wrote: >> >> >> >> Does anyone know how to record a call on skype? >> >> Second, does anyone know of any other general conferencing platforms >> where >> the call can be recorded other than skype? >> >> Go to meeting does not seem to work with JAWS. >> >> Justin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti Shelton _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Jul 10 05:30:52 2016 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 01:30:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing In-Reply-To: <00d101d1d986$4d095f80$e71c1e80$@gmail.com> References: <012e01d1d91d$2e808a70$8b819f50$@gmail.com><6A1F6966-66D1-4ECE-92E8-2E76644B21CB@gmail.com> <023c01d1da48$de782010$0b00a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1> <00d101d1d986$4d095f80$e71c1e80$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <40C44EFDF068426E8326151FD53C9614@OwnerPC> does the pc client for team talk work well with jaws? -----Original Message----- From: justin via NABS-L Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 10:05 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: justin Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing Dug, hav eyou used it with the pc client? Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug Oliver via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 9:18 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Doug Oliver Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing Teamtalk is better. I'd have to agree with that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Cc: "Kaiti Shelton" Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing >I second that Team Talk works great. I have had success using the IOS > app and like it well enough. I can't comment on the PC client as I > don't use it there, but I'd recommend checking it out. > > On 7/9/16, Simon via NABS-L wrote: >> TeamTalk is a great system, it has great audio quality and a recording >> function built in >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:32 AM, justin via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Does anyone know how to record a call on skype? >>> >>> Second, does anyone know of any other general conferencing platforms >>> where >>> the call can be recorded other than skype? >>> >>> Go to meeting does not seem to work with JAWS. >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmai l.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti Shelton > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Jul 10 05:38:50 2016 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 01:38:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille In-Reply-To: References: <57816d33.8a5b810a.306f6.4112@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hello, I use my notetaker for reading books and writing documents and the documents are primarily for my own notes so I don't need to do anything fancy for formatting. Katie, sounds like you and me use our devices for the same stuff. I have loved and gotten used to the good and simple word processor called keyword and know the braille note touch does not have it. I understand the internet may be limiting. Maybe I'll try someone's apex out and see. I just don't like the idea of buying a braille note touch. I might like the neo braille better. Someone said this new notetaker has a 32 cell display and an sd slot. >From little I've learned, the neo braille would fit my needs, too. I really want my next notetaker to have 32 cells since that's what I'm used to on my Braille note empower. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Katie Wang via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 11:23 PM To: louvins at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Katie Wang Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille Hi Ashley, I agree with the others that it is not a good idea to invest in a Braille Note Apex. Even though it supposedly has email and Internet connectivity, it is not compatible with most websites and email servers. I mostly use mine for reading books and writing documents these days and still really love the unit for these features, but the newer note-takers being discussed on this thread can do so much more. I have actually been contemplating getting a Braille Sense U2 for a while, but now the Touch and the Neobraille have come out I will hold off on making the switch and see what these options might have to offer. Katie On 7/9/16, Joshua Hendrickson via NABS-L wrote: > I have a braille note apex at the moment, but the only reason I got > it, was because I want to upgrade to the touch, if I can come up with > the needed money. I got a very good deal on it. I got my apex for > 1600. I was able to come up with the money because of some > tech-support I gave teaching someone the victor stream. I would most > go with the touch. I want one so bad. > > On 7/9/16, Cullen via NABS-L wrote: >> I just remembered an advantage to the touch. In a firmware update, KNFB >> reader will be a part of the touch, so if you enjoy that amazing app, it >> will be included on the touch. Looking forward to testing that out. >> Cullen >>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Ashley, >>> >>> As an Apex user, I would definitely suggest getting a newer notetaker >>> like >>> the Touch or the Neo or maybe even the Braillesense. I like my Apex a >>> lot, but the software is hopelessly out of date because it's running >>> Windows CE, which has been dead for years. That means basically every >>> website I go to tells me that my browser is not supported and that I >>> need >>> to upgrade to a modern browser, and a lot of them don't work at all. It >>> still works now, but if you're going to buy something, I wouldn't invest >>> in a notetaker that is at the edge of being obsolete. There are a few >>> things the Touch doesn't do that the Apex does. It no longer reads >>> keyword files, and it now has a separate word processor that defaults to >>> using docx and a braille file reading and writing utility instead of one >>> word processor that can do both. They've also gotten rid of block >>> commands and replaced it with highlighing chunks of text, which I >>> personally find annoying. And the databases from keybase are no longer >>> supported, and there isn't a way of transfering the e-mail or address >>> list >>> databases, though Mike Tindal told me there's a way of uploading my >>> addresses to GMail from the Apex so I'll still have them on the Touch. >>> >>> HTH, >>> Karl >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 16:57:10 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille >>> >>> Hi Katie, >>> I'm also interested in a new notetaker. But I might just purchase the >>> apex >>> before they stop making them. >>> Does the braille note touch have everything the apex does plus more >>> bells >>> and whistles? >>> How much does the braille note touch cost versus the neo braille? >>> >>> My understanding is the apex has internet capability through wifi built >>> into >>> it. It also has bluetooth connections available to a smart phone or >>> tablet >>> such as an ipod touch or ipad. >>> Also the apex has ability to read NLS books from bard unlike my braille >>> Note. >>> So, I think the apex or new Braille touch would meet my needs. >>> Still interested in the neo braille so I can decide. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Katie Wang via NABS-L >>> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 6:15 PM >>> To: david.thomas at davidthetechguy.com ; National Association of Blind >>> Students mailing list >>> Cc: Katie Wang >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille >>> >>> Hi Vejas and all, >>> >>> I also plan to replace my Braille Note Apex with a new note-taker >>> within the next year or so, so I'm very interested in this thread. I >>> have been intrigued by the Braille Note Touch - Do people have >>> specific opinions/thoughts about its user interface? Is the touch >>> screen intuitive to use? Could most functions be carried out using the >>> keyboard cover if one prefers not to use the touch screen? Thanks for >>> any input! >>> >>> Katie >>> >>> On 7/7/16, David Thomas via NABS-L wrote: >>> Hello, >>> The notetaker missing in this discussion is the El Braille. This >>> notetaker >>> is a full Windows 10 Machine with 14 cells of refreshable braille, and a >>> promising outlook as it will receive updates at the same time that other >>> Windows 10 devices get updated. Another benefit of this device is the >>> ability for network administrators to easily integrate it into >>> pre-existing networks, and for the blind user to be able to use all >>> business protocols such as exchange, Skype for Business, and other >>> business collaboration packages on the market today. My worry about the >>> group of Android notetakers that are being released to the market today >>> is >>> the possibility of them not being updated. An example of an Android >>> notetaker gone wrong is the APH braille Plus that was released in 2011 >>> running 2.3 gingerbread. At that time gingerbread had been out for 1 >>> year, >>> and Google had already unveiled Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich. Yes I >>> understand it is a lot of work to keep a notetaker up-to-date, but it is >>> really a necessary thing if we are expected to compete on a level >>> playing >>> field. >>> The next question this brings me to is "Do we actually need a >>> notetaker?" >>> I personally have come to the conclusion of no, and have implemented a >>> system using an iPhone, and a braille display for my simple note taker >>> needs. This solution insures that I am using a mainstream device while >>> retaining the lovely braille output we have come to love. >>> Regards >>> David Thomas >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin >>> Adam via NABS-L >>> Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 3:27 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Cc: Karl Martin Adam >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille >>> >>> The Neo is an Android notetaker with the ability to download and use all >>> accessible Android apps from the Google Play Store, just like the Touch. >>> The BrailleSense doesn't have that capability, and it's an older design, >>> so you would have it for fewer years before they come out with the next >>> hardware revision. I didn't really compare the Neo to the BrailleSense >>> in >>> terms of specs because I was mostly looking at the Touch and the Neo. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: justin via NABS-L >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>> >> Date sent: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 14:37:38 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille >>> >>> How does it stack up to the braille sense u2? >>> Justin >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin >>> Adam via NABS-L >>> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 1:47 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Cc: Karl Martin Adam >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille >>> >>> Yes I did see it. The guy from Irie didn't know much about how the >>> software or user interface works (Irie is only the distributor not the >>> manufacturer), so I don't know how efficient it is to actually use. It >>> is >>> less expensive than the Braillenote Touch though with significantly >>> better >>> memory, processor speed, and running a newer version of Android, and >>> most >>> importantly for me will have the option of a qwerty smart case, so I am >>> very excited to learn more once it actually comes on the market at the >>> end >>> of the month. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Date sent: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 10:35:33 -0700 >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille >>> >>> Hi All, >>> I was wondering if anyone at convention who went to the exhibit hall, >>> saw >>> the Neo-Braille, presented by Irie AT. It is a notetaker that is so new >>> that many people have not heard of it. >>> In fact, I never heard it announced anywhere else at convention, so if I >>> hadn't gone to their table I probably never would have heard about it >>> myself. >>> If you did see it, I would appreciate it if you could tell me your >>> opinion >>> on it and whether you feel it would make a good notetaker. I currently >>> have a Braille note and am looking within the next year of either >>> getting >>> the one I just described, or a Braille sense U 2. >>> Thanks. >>> Vejas >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma >>> il.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia >>> ms2%40gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma >>> il.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/david.thomas% >>> 40davidth >>> etechguy.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%4 >>> 0gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >>> 0earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma >>> il.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gallagher123123%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Jul 10 06:01:52 2016 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 02:01:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille In-Reply-To: <57816d31.8a5b810a.306f6.4110@mx.google.com> References: <57816d31.8a5b810a.306f6.4110@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi, thanks. I assume the Neo braille is compatible with all our accessible reading platforms such as learning ally books and NLS books. What a relief it has 32 cells. I'm used to that. So how much does it cost? Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 5:31 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Karl Martin Adam Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille Hi Ashley, The Neo has a Braille Keyboard and a 32 cell display (not sure if they're also selling it with fewer cells to reduce the cost). It has a micro SD card slot and a USBC port their might be two, I don't remember). It also charges over the USBC connection not over a micro usb like the Touch. Because it's Android, you can use any Android word processor, browser, etc. as long as it's accessible. They ship it with Google Chrome as the browser and some sort of proprietary word processor that the distributor didn't know much about. HTH, Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L Just a quick correction, the Touch still has Keyword as its word processor. It just no longer has the proprietary Keyword file type and defaults to DOCX instead. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L From little I've learned, the neo braille would fit my needs, too. I really want my next notetaker to have 32 cells since that's what I'm used to on my Braille note empower. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Katie Wang via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 11:23 PM To: louvins at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Katie Wang Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille Hi Ashley, I agree with the others that it is not a good idea to invest in a Braille Note Apex. Even though it supposedly has email and Internet connectivity, it is not compatible with most websites and email servers. I mostly use mine for reading books and writing documents these days and still really love the unit for these features, but the newer note-takers being discussed on this thread can do so much more. I have actually been contemplating getting a Braille Sense U2 for a while, but now the Touch and the Neobraille have come out I will hold off on making the switch and see what these options might have to offer. Katie On 7/9/16, Joshua Hendrickson via NABS-L wrote: I have a braille note apex at the moment, but the only reason I got it, was because I want to upgrade to the touch, if I can come up with the needed money. I got a very good deal on it. I got my apex for 1600. I was able to come up with the money because of some tech-support I gave teaching someone the victor stream. I would most go with the touch. I want one so bad. On 7/9/16, Cullen via NABS-L wrote: I just remembered an advantage to the touch. In a firmware update, KNFB reader will be a part of the touch, so if you enjoy that amazing app, it will be included on the touch. Looking forward to testing that out. Cullen On Jul 9, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L wrote: Hi Ashley, As an Apex user, I would definitely suggest getting a newer notetaker like the Touch or the Neo or maybe even the Braillesense. I like my Apex a lot, but the software is hopelessly out of date because it's running Windows CE, which has been dead for years. That means basically every website I go to tells me that my browser is not supported and that I need to upgrade to a modern browser, and a lot of them don't work at all. It still works now, but if you're going to buy something, I wouldn't invest in a notetaker that is at the edge of being obsolete. There are a few things the Touch doesn't do that the Apex does. It no longer reads keyword files, and it now has a separate word processor that defaults to using docx and a braille file reading and writing utility instead of one word processor that can do both. They've also gotten rid of block commands and replaced it with highlighing chunks of text, which I personally find annoying. And the databases from keybase are no longer supported, and there isn't a way of transfering the e-mail or address list databases, though Mike Tindal told me there's a way of uploading my addresses to GMail from the Apex so I'll still have them on the Touch. HTH, Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L wrote: Hello, The notetaker missing in this discussion is the El Braille. This notetaker is a full Windows 10 Machine with 14 cells of refreshable braille, and a promising outlook as it will receive updates at the same time that other Windows 10 devices get updated. Another benefit of this device is the ability for network administrators to easily integrate it into pre-existing networks, and for the blind user to be able to use all business protocols such as exchange, Skype for Business, and other business collaboration packages on the market today. My worry about the group of Android notetakers that are being released to the market today is the possibility of them not being updated. An example of an Android notetaker gone wrong is the APH braille Plus that was released in 2011 running 2.3 gingerbread. At that time gingerbread had been out for 1 year, and Google had already unveiled Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich. Yes I understand it is a lot of work to keep a notetaker up-to-date, but it is really a necessary thing if we are expected to compete on a level playing field. The next question this brings me to is "Do we actually need a notetaker?" I personally have come to the conclusion of no, and have implemented a system using an iPhone, and a braille display for my simple note taker needs. This solution insures that I am using a mainstream device while retaining the lovely braille output we have come to love. Regards David Thomas -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 3:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Karl Martin Adam Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille The Neo is an Android notetaker with the ability to download and use all accessible Android apps from the Google Play Store, just like the Touch. The BrailleSense doesn't have that capability, and it's an older design, so you would have it for fewer years before they come out with the next hardware revision. I didn't really compare the Neo to the BrailleSense in terms of specs because I was mostly looking at the Touch and the Neo. ----- Original Message ----- From: justin via NABS-L References: <57816d31.8a5b810a.306f6.4110@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi, According to the website, it costs $4,995. I am looking between the Touch and NeoBraille. God bless.--Christina > On Jul 10, 2016, at 02:01, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi, > thanks. > I assume the Neo braille is compatible with all our accessible reading platforms such as learning ally books and NLS books. > What a relief it has 32 cells. I'm used to that. > > So how much does it cost? > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- From: Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 5:31 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Karl Martin Adam > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille > > Hi Ashley, > > The Neo has a Braille Keyboard and a 32 cell display (not sure if > they're also selling it with fewer cells to reduce the cost). It > has a micro SD card slot and a USBC port their might be two, I > don't remember). It also charges over the USBC connection not > over a micro usb like the Touch. Because it's Android, you can > use any Android word processor, browser, etc. as long as it's > accessible. They ship it with Google Chrome as the browser and > some sort of proprietary word processor that the distributor > didn't know much about. > > HTH, > Karl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 16:48:50 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo > Braille > > hi, > sounds neat. Does the neo braille have a braille keyboard and > braille > display like most notetakers have had that I'm used to? > If so, how many cells on its display? I assume it does what most > notetakers > do now a days wich means you have a word processor, calendar, > calculator, > and internet connections. > What is the neo braille's connectivity options? Does it have usb > ports and > bluetooth? What about memory card slots to expand its memory? > > I have an old braille note now. I mean older than the current > apex model as > rehab bought for me back in college. > I am not so sure I'd like human ware's new Braille touch if it > has a touch > screen. I prefer my braille keyboard with the buttons I can feel. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: justin via NABS-L > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 5:19 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Cc: justin > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo > Braille > > The neo braille is pretty good then if it is a notetaker which > can do what > you just said. I did look at the specs, it seemed pretty good, > but I'll > have to go back through them when I get more time. > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl > Martin > Adam via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 4:27 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Karl Martin Adam Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo > Braille > > The Neo is an Android notetaker with the ability to download and > use all > accessible Android apps from the Google Play Store, just like the > Touch. > The BrailleSense doesn't have that capability, and it's an older > design, so > you would have it for fewer years before they come out with the > next > hardware revision. I didn't really compare the Neo to the > BrailleSense in > terms of specs because I was mostly looking at the Touch and the > Neo. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: justin via NABS-L To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 14:37:38 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo > Braille > > How does it stack up to the braille sense u2? > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl > Martin > Adam via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 1:47 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Karl Martin Adam Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo > Braille > > Yes I did see it. The guy from Irie didn't know much about how > the software > or user interface works (Irie is only the distributor not the > manufacturer), > so I don't know how efficient it is to actually use. It is less > expensive > than the Braillenote Touch though with significantly better > memory, > processor speed, and running a newer version of Android, and most > importantly for me will have the option of a qwerty smart case, > so I am very > excited to learn more once it actually comes on the market at the > end of the > month. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 10:35:33 -0700 > Subject: [nabs-l] Did Anyone At Convention See the Neo Braille > > Hi All, > I was wondering if anyone at convention who went to the exhibit > hall, saw > the Neo-Braille, presented by Irie AT. It is a notetaker that is > so new > that many people have not heard of it. > In fact, I never heard it announced anywhere else at convention, > so if I > hadn't gone to their table I probably never would have heard > about it > myself. > If you did see it, I would appreciate it if you could tell me > your opinion > on it and whether you feel it would make a good notetaker. I > currently have > a Braille note and am looking within the next year of either > getting the one > I just described, or a Braille sense U 2. > Thanks. > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia > ms2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia > ms2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu From mkvnfb94 at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 09:11:22 2016 From: mkvnfb94 at gmail.com (Mariya Vasileva) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 04:11:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing In-Reply-To: <40C44EFDF068426E8326151FD53C9614@OwnerPC> References: <012e01d1d91d$2e808a70$8b819f50$@gmail.com> <6A1F6966-66D1-4ECE-92E8-2E76644B21CB@gmail.com> <023c01d1da48$de782010$0b00a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1> <00d101d1d986$4d095f80$e71c1e80$@gmail.com> <40C44EFDF068426E8326151FD53C9614@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 10, 2016, at 00:30, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L wrote: > > does the pc client for team talk work well with jaws? > > -----Original Message----- From: justin via NABS-L > Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 10:05 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Cc: justin > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing > > Dug, hav eyou used it with the pc client? > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug Oliver via > NABS-L > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 9:18 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Doug Oliver > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing > > Teamtalk is better. I'd have to agree with that. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Cc: "Kaiti Shelton" > Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 8:14 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype/other conferencing > > >> I second that Team Talk works great. I have had success using the IOS >> app and like it well enough. I can't comment on the PC client as I >> don't use it there, but I'd recommend checking it out. >> >>> On 7/9/16, Simon via NABS-L wrote: >>> TeamTalk is a great system, it has great audio quality and a recording >>> function built in >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:32 AM, justin via NABS-L wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Does anyone know how to record a call on skype? >>>> >>>> Second, does anyone know of any other general conferencing platforms >>>> where >>>> the call can be recorded other than skype? >>>> >>>> Go to meeting does not seem to work with JAWS. >>>> >>>> Justin >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmai > l.com >> >> >> -- >> Kaiti Shelton >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mkvnfb94%40gmail.com Ashley, to answer all your questions, yes it works with JAWS. Yes it has a really good recording function built in, and yes it has both video and audio just like Skype. From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 16:57:17 2016 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 12:57:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A Few Dropbox Questions In-Reply-To: References: <5781756b.25eb420a.756b5.fffff7d7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Vejas, Unfortunately, the Apex does not work with Dropbox. Braille Sense should support Dropbox though, and so will the note-takers we have been discussing on the other thread. Katie On 7/9/16, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L wrote: > Hi, Vejas, > > I believe swiping up/down with one finger on the item you're trying to > delete should give you that option, just like when you're deleting an > email or something else. Sorry I can't answer your question about the > Apex as I'm a Sense user, but I hope this solves the IPhone half of > the issue for you. > > On 7/9/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: >> Hi All, >> I had a few questions about Dropbox. >> Firstly, I would like to know how you can delete folders and >> files on the IPhone app. I found a more actions menu, which >> gives the option of creating another folder, but could not find a >> way to delete anything. >> I would also like to know, for these of you who are Braille note >> Apex users, have you had any luck with Dropbox? >> Thanks, >> Vejas >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti Shelton > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > From sgermano at asu.edu Sun Jul 10 17:02:11 2016 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 12:02:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight In-Reply-To: <1EB4C255AEB94529B2273F3355CE5542@OwnerPC> References: <001201d1d7c0$9aaa9be0$cfffd3a0$@gmail.com> <1EB4C255AEB94529B2273F3355CE5542@OwnerPC> Message-ID: You absolutely can lift weights more than 1 day in row. Most people lift 3 days on then 1 off but you can effectively lift weight 4,5,6 days in a row. I have done it for 20 years. Beware if low carb. It is not necessary. On Saturday, July 9, 2016, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L wrote: > Justin, > > Well said. When I had a personal trainer, she said pretty much what you > did. In addition to a balanced diet meaning ocasional sweet food and lots > of fiber food and medium to low carbs, you should have strength training > and cardio. > If only cardio, you will lose muscle which seems to be happening to me as > I've not done my strength training in a while. > > Everyone is different. In general though, cardio should be done to burn > fat and keep toned and have endurance. Cardio should be done at least 3 > times a week for 30 minutes or more. But for weight loss, better to make it > five or six days. > For lifting weights, 3 times is best, but don't lift in consecutive days > because your muscles need time to recover. > But actually two times a week is okay and will help with weight loss. > When I was able to lose weight, I did twice a week and that worked fine > for me for the strength part. > My trainer recommended five days of cardio for 30 minutes each or if low > intensity do like 45 minutes to 60 minutes. I mean if you fast walked on a > treadmill at say 3.5 miles an hour, that is low intensity. But if you > combined walking with jogging, you could do less time because its higher > intensity. > My trainer recommended lifting for 2 to 3 days a week. > But if you do lifting, remember to warm up with some cardio and stretch > afterward. > > Ashley > > > -----Original Message----- From: justin via NABS-L > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 3:57 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Cc: justin > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight > > You have to keep the cardio and muscle training balanced in order not to > lose muscle, and slow donw metabolism too much. Lift weights three times a > week, run thre times a week. > > justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne > Germano > via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 3:19 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: Suzanne Germano > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight > > It is actually better to use strength training to lose weight over > cardiovascular like jogging or ellipticals. Weight training has affects on > your cells for several hours adter you workout. Cardio on the other hand > only burns while you are doing it. Cardio often actually leads to a slow > down of metabolism and loss of muscle. It you prefer not to lift weights > than high intensity like plyometrics would be a mych netter choice than > tradtional forms of cardio. You can get bands and do a pretty intense > workout at home. I have some bands that you can conbime together and get > the > weight to be 100lbs > > On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Joe Orozco via NABS-L > wrote: > > Suzanne brings up a great point. There are, as far as I know, four >> types of exercise: endurance, strength, balance, and flexibility. >> Certain exercises have the benefit of cross-applying to different >> types of training. Weight lifting would naturally best serve strength, >> but if what you're looking for is a means to drop weight to fit into >> certain clothes, endurance could be your focus for its ability to >> improve your circulatory system and generally improve your fitness. >> >> There are multiple activities you could tackle for endurance. Someone >> mentioned the treadmill. I enjoy using that but prefer the elliptical >> myself. Regardless, the idea here is not just to get on the machine >> and walk for fifteen minutes or so. Move at a fast clip to actually >> give your body a good workout. Otherwise you're better off strolling >> around the neighborhood and enjoy a better scenery. What I sometimes >> do is hop on, get into a fast jog for a couple minutes, then spend the >> next few minutes going full out sprint. Get your heart rate and lungs >> working overtime. Dial it back to catch your breath and then crank it >> up again for a good cardio routine. Of course, remember to keep it >> within your ability. Don't overdo any of it, and drink plenty of >> water. >> >> There are other activities you can do for endurance. Mowing the lawn, >> raking and digging can knock out chores around the house and provide a >> great workout. You can also dance, swim, and climb stairs or hills. If >> you can find someone to go tandem biking with, that can be a perfect >> endurance exercise. >> >> If you do lift weights, remember to give your muscles a chance to >> recuperate. Focus on specific muscles on different days of the week. >> The only part of the body I'm aware of that you can exercise every day >> without strain is the abdomen. Yeah, it's going to feel awful the >> first few days, but once your abdominal muscles become acclimated, you >> will not feel anywhere near as sore. >> >> My own workout routine rarely goes beyond half an hour and usually >> hovers around twenty minutes. I do a mix of sit-ups, pushups, burpees, >> lunges, squats, and planks. I'll usually wrap it up with a go at the >> elliptical machine. >> >> Whatever you do, find the routine that best fits your ability and your >> schedule. Three times a week is usually sufficient. I am not at all a >> fitness expert. I read enough articles and talked to enough >> enthusiasts to figure out how to do things right but then developed >> the regiment that best serves my lifestyle. And, while exercise can go >> a long way in helping you feel better about your image, don't forget >> to make health and fitness the primary purpose for working out. Do it >> for your own peace of mind and not for the purpose of looking a >> certain way because that could become a steep hill. If we think about >> it that way, there's usually something else and something else beyond >> that we feel we need to do to fit someone else's image of what we >> ought to look like. >> >> Good luck! >> >> Joe >> >> >> On 7/7/16, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L > > >> wrote: >> > I only gave those up for part of the 12 - 16 weeks that i dieted for >> > competition. When trying to get into contest shape you need to eat >> > only unprocessed food and those that do not raise blood sugar. I did >> > every a free day every two weeks so i did have dairy then. >> > >> > On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Kayla James via NABS-L > > >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Don't you have to give up certain foods to do bodybuilding? Like, >> >> important ones like fruit and dairy. >> >> >> >> On 7/7/16, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L > >> >> > >> >> wrote: >> >> > I like to walk on treadmill. >> >> > >> >> > Sent from my iPad >> >> > >> >> >> On Jul 7, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L < >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> I am not totally blind but when I wanted to lose weight I >> >> >> changed my >> >> diet >> >> >> and then started lifting weights. I actually ended up being a >> >> >> top national level competitive bodybuilder. Most gyms have >> >> >> personal trainers that can teach you and help with the layout of >> >> >> the gym. Also you could get a workout partner. Most people who >> >> >> lift like to workout with a partner. >> >> >> >> >> >> Suzanne >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L >> >> >> >> >> >>> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> Hi Kayla, the majority of weight loss comes from changing your >> > diet. > >> >> Try >> >> >>> giving up sodas and juices and only drink water. Eat healthier, >> >> >>> smaller meals, and foods high in fiber. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Kayla James via NABS-L >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>> wrote: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> What are some ways that blind people can do to lose weight? >> >> >>>> The exercise videos I'm finding are so visual on Youtube. Can >> >> >>>> anyone help? >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >>>> NABS-L mailing list >> >> >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> >> >>>> info for >> >> >>> NABS-L: >> >> >>> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth. >> net >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >>> NABS-L mailing list >> >> >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> >> >>> info >> for >> >> >>> NABS-L: >> >> >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> NABS-L mailing list >> >> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> >> >> info for >> >> >> NABS-L: >> >> >> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmai >> l.com >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > NABS-L mailing list >> >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >> > for >> >> > NABS-L: >> >> > >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gm >> ail.com >> >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> NABS-L mailing list >> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >> for >> >> NABS-L: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu. >> >> edu >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > NABS-L mailing list >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> > for >> > NABS-L: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail >> > .com >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> >> _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From discoduck221 at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 19:38:50 2016 From: discoduck221 at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 15:38:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Relive A Night Of Entertainment From Blind People Around The Country Tonight Message-ID: Greetings All! Whether you attended this year's National Convention of The National Federation Of The Blind or not. Whether you attended the convention but missed this event Or whether you went to the convention and were there when the showcase of talent took place.. You're invited to grab a meal, poor yourself your favorite beverage, and come relive the magic of the Performing Arts Division Of The National Federation Of The Blind's annual Showcase Of Talent, as it will be aired in full tonight starting at 7 PM eastern exclusively on KJSC Radio. During the show, you can... Hear some great songs and instrumental peaces performed by blind musicians and performers from all over the country. Meet our first circus clown. And find out why KJSC Radio had to save the day to keep the talent show from facing a sudden and terrible disaster. All of this and the great entertainment that comes with it all begins att 7 PM eastern on KJSC Radio. We won't be taking callers during this presentation, but you're welcome to tweet us about what you're hearing at kjscradio using the hash tag #padtalentshow16 If you have any comments on the performances, the presentation, or want to say anything during the show, you can also email me at discoduck221 at gmail.com and to tune in, use one of the following methods: 1. Search for KJSC Radio on Tunein. 2. Listen from the Tunein web page directly at http://onj.me/kjscradio or 3. For additional listening options if the first two don't work, go to http://kjscradio.com/classic/radio.php Thanks to Julie and the rest of the Performing Arts Division for letting us be part of this special night with you/! Please tell all your friends and feel free to relive the magic of the NFB16 Showcase Of Talent with us tonight! >From David Dunphy From shawnabraham21 at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 20:09:30 2016 From: shawnabraham21 at gmail.com (Shawn Abraham) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 16:09:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight Message-ID: <5782abaa.5247370a.bef93.fffff192@mx.google.com> You mean different lifts and body parts though, right? ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzanne Germano via NABS-L Hi NABS and NCABS members, I hope you all had an enjoyable 4th of July weekend. The NC Association of Blind Students is having our monthly conference call is tonight at 8pm eastern. Please call 712-432-3900 and enter code 3866158 when prompted. The agenda is as follows: 1. Call to order 2. Attendance 3. Treasurer's report 4. EYE retreat updates 5. Updates from national convention 6. State convention planning 7. Discussion about NFB/blindness philosophy 8. Adjourn We look forward to talking to you all soon! Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 http://bobbialpompey.webs.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Jul 10 22:21:42 2016 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 18:21:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight In-Reply-To: References: <001201d1d7c0$9aaa9be0$cfffd3a0$@gmail.com><1EB4C255AEB94529B2273F3355CE5542@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <05412C7E800049669A2153C4386EEAB4@OwnerPC> Susanne, Do you have something to back that up? Your advice is contrary to research and could hurt a novice exerciser. You should not lift for days in a row unless you work opposite muscles, especially as a novice exerciser which Kayla is. The American College of Sports Medicine recommends 2 or 3 times per week for novice exercisers. Importantly, progress is made during recuperation periods, so if you lift days in a row you cannot let your body recover from its sore muscles. I know from taking a fitness class and research and my former personal trainer. Lifting days in a row is bad for you because muscles need 48 hours to heal. If you are experienced, maybe you can handle more, but even then you should have low intensity days. I advise Kayla to read the guidelines from some real authority such as the American College of Sports Medicine. ACSM certifies many personal trainers and is a recognized authority on sports and fitness guidelines. Read them at http://www.exrx.net/WeightTraining/Guidelines.html. These guidelines from ACSM have been researched and proven effective. I just had to put my two cents in. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 1:02 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Suzanne Germano Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight You absolutely can lift weights more than 1 day in row. Most people lift 3 days on then 1 off but you can effectively lift weight 4,5,6 days in a row. I have done it for 20 years. Beware if low carb. It is not necessary. On Saturday, July 9, 2016, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L wrote: > Justin, > > Well said. When I had a personal trainer, she said pretty much what you > did. In addition to a balanced diet meaning ocasional sweet food and lots > of fiber food and medium to low carbs, you should have strength training > and cardio. > If only cardio, you will lose muscle which seems to be happening to me as > I've not done my strength training in a while. > > Everyone is different. In general though, cardio should be done to burn > fat and keep toned and have endurance. Cardio should be done at least 3 > times a week for 30 minutes or more. But for weight loss, better to make > it > five or six days. > For lifting weights, 3 times is best, but don't lift in consecutive days > because your muscles need time to recover. > But actually two times a week is okay and will help with weight loss. > When I was able to lose weight, I did twice a week and that worked fine > for me for the strength part. > My trainer recommended five days of cardio for 30 minutes each or if low > intensity do like 45 minutes to 60 minutes. I mean if you fast walked on a > treadmill at say 3.5 miles an hour, that is low intensity. But if you > combined walking with jogging, you could do less time because its higher > intensity. > My trainer recommended lifting for 2 to 3 days a week. > But if you do lifting, remember to warm up with some cardio and stretch > afterward. > > Ashley > > > -----Original Message----- From: justin via NABS-L > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 3:57 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Cc: justin > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight > > You have to keep the cardio and muscle training balanced in order not to > lose muscle, and slow donw metabolism too much. Lift weights three times > a > week, run thre times a week. > > justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne > Germano > via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 3:19 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: Suzanne Germano > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight > > It is actually better to use strength training to lose weight over > cardiovascular like jogging or ellipticals. Weight training has affects on > your cells for several hours adter you workout. Cardio on the other hand > only burns while you are doing it. Cardio often actually leads to a slow > down of metabolism and loss of muscle. It you prefer not to lift weights > than high intensity like plyometrics would be a mych netter choice than > tradtional forms of cardio. You can get bands and do a pretty intense > workout at home. I have some bands that you can conbime together and get > the > weight to be 100lbs > > On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Joe Orozco via NABS-L > wrote: > > Suzanne brings up a great point. There are, as far as I know, four >> types of exercise: endurance, strength, balance, and flexibility. >> Certain exercises have the benefit of cross-applying to different >> types of training. Weight lifting would naturally best serve strength, >> but if what you're looking for is a means to drop weight to fit into >> certain clothes, endurance could be your focus for its ability to >> improve your circulatory system and generally improve your fitness. >> >> There are multiple activities you could tackle for endurance. Someone >> mentioned the treadmill. I enjoy using that but prefer the elliptical >> myself. Regardless, the idea here is not just to get on the machine >> and walk for fifteen minutes or so. Move at a fast clip to actually >> give your body a good workout. Otherwise you're better off strolling >> around the neighborhood and enjoy a better scenery. What I sometimes >> do is hop on, get into a fast jog for a couple minutes, then spend the >> next few minutes going full out sprint. Get your heart rate and lungs >> working overtime. Dial it back to catch your breath and then crank it >> up again for a good cardio routine. Of course, remember to keep it >> within your ability. Don't overdo any of it, and drink plenty of >> water. >> >> There are other activities you can do for endurance. Mowing the lawn, >> raking and digging can knock out chores around the house and provide a >> great workout. You can also dance, swim, and climb stairs or hills. If >> you can find someone to go tandem biking with, that can be a perfect >> endurance exercise. >> >> If you do lift weights, remember to give your muscles a chance to >> recuperate. Focus on specific muscles on different days of the week. >> The only part of the body I'm aware of that you can exercise every day >> without strain is the abdomen. Yeah, it's going to feel awful the >> first few days, but once your abdominal muscles become acclimated, you >> will not feel anywhere near as sore. >> >> My own workout routine rarely goes beyond half an hour and usually >> hovers around twenty minutes. I do a mix of sit-ups, pushups, burpees, >> lunges, squats, and planks. I'll usually wrap it up with a go at the >> elliptical machine. >> >> Whatever you do, find the routine that best fits your ability and your >> schedule. Three times a week is usually sufficient. I am not at all a >> fitness expert. I read enough articles and talked to enough >> enthusiasts to figure out how to do things right but then developed >> the regiment that best serves my lifestyle. And, while exercise can go >> a long way in helping you feel better about your image, don't forget >> to make health and fitness the primary purpose for working out. Do it >> for your own peace of mind and not for the purpose of looking a >> certain way because that could become a steep hill. If we think about >> it that way, there's usually something else and something else beyond >> that we feel we need to do to fit someone else's image of what we >> ought to look like. >> >> Good luck! >> >> Joe >> >> >> On 7/7/16, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L > > >> wrote: >> > I only gave those up for part of the 12 - 16 weeks that i dieted for >> > competition. When trying to get into contest shape you need to eat >> > only unprocessed food and those that do not raise blood sugar. I did >> > every a free day every two weeks so i did have dairy then. >> > >> > On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Kayla James via NABS-L > > >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Don't you have to give up certain foods to do bodybuilding? Like, >> >> important ones like fruit and dairy. >> >> >> >> On 7/7/16, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L > >> >> > >> >> wrote: >> >> > I like to walk on treadmill. >> >> > >> >> > Sent from my iPad >> >> > >> >> >> On Jul 7, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L < >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> I am not totally blind but when I wanted to lose weight I >> >> >> changed my >> >> diet >> >> >> and then started lifting weights. I actually ended up being a >> >> >> top national level competitive bodybuilder. Most gyms have >> >> >> personal trainers that can teach you and help with the layout of >> >> >> the gym. Also you could get a workout partner. Most people who >> >> >> lift like to workout with a partner. >> >> >> >> >> >> Suzanne >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L >> >> >> >> >> >>> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> Hi Kayla, the majority of weight loss comes from changing your >> > diet. > >> >> Try >> >> >>> giving up sodas and juices and only drink water. Eat healthier, >> >> >>> smaller meals, and foods high in fiber. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Kayla James via NABS-L >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>> wrote: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> What are some ways that blind people can do to lose weight? >> >> >>>> The exercise videos I'm finding are so visual on Youtube. Can >> >> >>>> anyone help? >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >>>> NABS-L mailing list >> >> >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> >> >>>> info for >> >> >>> NABS-L: >> >> >>> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth. >> net >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >>> NABS-L mailing list >> >> >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> >> >>> info >> for >> >> >>> NABS-L: >> >> >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> NABS-L mailing list >> >> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> >> >> info for >> >> >> NABS-L: >> >> >> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmai >> l.com >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > NABS-L mailing list >> >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >> > for >> >> > NABS-L: >> >> > >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gm >> ail.com >> >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> NABS-L mailing list >> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >> for >> >> NABS-L: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu. >> >> edu >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > NABS-L mailing list >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> > for >> > NABS-L: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail >> > .com >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> >> _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From christgirl813 at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 00:52:54 2016 From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 19:52:54 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight In-Reply-To: <05412C7E800049669A2153C4386EEAB4@OwnerPC> References: <001201d1d7c0$9aaa9be0$cfffd3a0$@gmail.com> <1EB4C255AEB94529B2273F3355CE5542@OwnerPC> <05412C7E800049669A2153C4386EEAB4@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Thank you all for helping me. I don't know about joining a gym. I'd really rather exercise at home or do a sport with friends or something. You know, have fun, not pay to have it. I'm still working on dieting. I don't know if doing the President's Challenge like I've been doing is working. I'm trying to keep up with all dietary guidelines and trying to not pay attention to the scale (I'm actually scared of it now. Does anyone know the ideal weight for a 5:3 female? That's what I am. I probably should start counting calories again, instead of portions. On 7/10/16, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L wrote: > Susanne, > > Do you have something to back that up? Your advice is contrary to research > and could hurt a novice exerciser. > You should not lift for days in a row unless you work opposite muscles, > especially as a novice exerciser which Kayla is. > The American College of Sports Medicine recommends 2 or 3 times per week > for novice exercisers. > Importantly, progress is made during recuperation periods, so if you lift > days in a row you cannot let your body recover from its sore muscles. > > I know from taking a fitness class and research and my former personal > trainer. > > Lifting days in a row is bad for you because muscles need 48 hours to heal. > If you are experienced, maybe you can handle more, but even then you should > > have low intensity days. > I advise Kayla to read the guidelines from some real authority such as the > American College of Sports Medicine. > ACSM certifies many personal trainers and is a recognized authority on > sports and fitness guidelines. > > Read them at http://www.exrx.net/WeightTraining/Guidelines.html. > These guidelines from ACSM have been researched and proven effective. > > I just had to put my two cents in. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: Suzanne Germano via NABS-L > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 1:02 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Suzanne Germano > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight > > You absolutely can lift weights more than 1 day in row. Most people lift 3 > days on then 1 off but you can effectively lift weight 4,5,6 days in a row. > I have done it for 20 years. > > Beware if low carb. It is not necessary. > > On Saturday, July 9, 2016, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L > wrote: > >> Justin, >> >> Well said. When I had a personal trainer, she said pretty much what you >> did. In addition to a balanced diet meaning ocasional sweet food and >> lots >> of fiber food and medium to low carbs, you should have strength training >> and cardio. >> If only cardio, you will lose muscle which seems to be happening to me as >> I've not done my strength training in a while. >> >> Everyone is different. In general though, cardio should be done to burn >> fat and keep toned and have endurance. Cardio should be done at least 3 >> times a week for 30 minutes or more. But for weight loss, better to make >> it >> five or six days. >> For lifting weights, 3 times is best, but don't lift in consecutive days >> because your muscles need time to recover. >> But actually two times a week is okay and will help with weight loss. >> When I was able to lose weight, I did twice a week and that worked fine >> for me for the strength part. >> My trainer recommended five days of cardio for 30 minutes each or if low >> intensity do like 45 minutes to 60 minutes. I mean if you fast walked on >> a >> treadmill at say 3.5 miles an hour, that is low intensity. But if you >> combined walking with jogging, you could do less time because its higher >> intensity. >> My trainer recommended lifting for 2 to 3 days a week. >> But if you do lifting, remember to warm up with some cardio and stretch >> afterward. >> >> Ashley >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: justin via NABS-L >> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 3:57 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Cc: justin >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight >> >> You have to keep the cardio and muscle training balanced in order not to >> lose muscle, and slow donw metabolism too much. Lift weights three times >> >> a >> week, run thre times a week. >> >> justin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne >> Germano >> via NABS-L >> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 3:19 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > > >> Cc: Suzanne Germano >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight >> >> It is actually better to use strength training to lose weight over >> cardiovascular like jogging or ellipticals. Weight training has affects >> on >> your cells for several hours adter you workout. Cardio on the other hand >> only burns while you are doing it. Cardio often actually leads to a slow >> down of metabolism and loss of muscle. It you prefer not to lift weights >> than high intensity like plyometrics would be a mych netter choice than >> tradtional forms of cardio. You can get bands and do a pretty intense >> workout at home. I have some bands that you can conbime together and get >> the >> weight to be 100lbs >> >> On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Joe Orozco via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Suzanne brings up a great point. There are, as far as I know, four >>> types of exercise: endurance, strength, balance, and flexibility. >>> Certain exercises have the benefit of cross-applying to different >>> types of training. Weight lifting would naturally best serve strength, >>> but if what you're looking for is a means to drop weight to fit into >>> certain clothes, endurance could be your focus for its ability to >>> improve your circulatory system and generally improve your fitness. >>> >>> There are multiple activities you could tackle for endurance. Someone >>> mentioned the treadmill. I enjoy using that but prefer the elliptical >>> myself. Regardless, the idea here is not just to get on the machine >>> and walk for fifteen minutes or so. Move at a fast clip to actually >>> give your body a good workout. Otherwise you're better off strolling >>> around the neighborhood and enjoy a better scenery. What I sometimes >>> do is hop on, get into a fast jog for a couple minutes, then spend the >>> next few minutes going full out sprint. Get your heart rate and lungs >>> working overtime. Dial it back to catch your breath and then crank it >>> up again for a good cardio routine. Of course, remember to keep it >>> within your ability. Don't overdo any of it, and drink plenty of >>> water. >>> >>> There are other activities you can do for endurance. Mowing the lawn, >>> raking and digging can knock out chores around the house and provide a >>> great workout. You can also dance, swim, and climb stairs or hills. If >>> you can find someone to go tandem biking with, that can be a perfect >>> endurance exercise. >>> >>> If you do lift weights, remember to give your muscles a chance to >>> recuperate. Focus on specific muscles on different days of the week. >>> The only part of the body I'm aware of that you can exercise every day >>> without strain is the abdomen. Yeah, it's going to feel awful the >>> first few days, but once your abdominal muscles become acclimated, you >>> will not feel anywhere near as sore. >>> >>> My own workout routine rarely goes beyond half an hour and usually >>> hovers around twenty minutes. I do a mix of sit-ups, pushups, burpees, >>> lunges, squats, and planks. I'll usually wrap it up with a go at the >>> elliptical machine. >>> >>> Whatever you do, find the routine that best fits your ability and your >>> schedule. Three times a week is usually sufficient. I am not at all a >>> fitness expert. I read enough articles and talked to enough >>> enthusiasts to figure out how to do things right but then developed >>> the regiment that best serves my lifestyle. And, while exercise can go >>> a long way in helping you feel better about your image, don't forget >>> to make health and fitness the primary purpose for working out. Do it >>> for your own peace of mind and not for the purpose of looking a >>> certain way because that could become a steep hill. If we think about >>> it that way, there's usually something else and something else beyond >>> that we feel we need to do to fit someone else's image of what we >>> ought to look like. >>> >>> Good luck! >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> >>> On 7/7/16, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L >> > >>> wrote: >>> > I only gave those up for part of the 12 - 16 weeks that i dieted for >>> > competition. When trying to get into contest shape you need to eat >>> > only unprocessed food and those that do not raise blood sugar. I did >>> > every a free day every two weeks so i did have dairy then. >>> > >>> > On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Kayla James via NABS-L >> > >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> >> Don't you have to give up certain foods to do bodybuilding? Like, >>> >> important ones like fruit and dairy. >>> >> >>> >> On 7/7/16, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L >> >> >>> > >>> >> wrote: >>> >> > I like to walk on treadmill. >>> >> > >>> >> > Sent from my iPad >>> >> > >>> >> >> On Jul 7, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L < >>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> >> >> wrote: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> I am not totally blind but when I wanted to lose weight I >>> >> >> changed my >>> >> diet >>> >> >> and then started lifting weights. I actually ended up being a >>> >> >> top national level competitive bodybuilder. Most gyms have >>> >> >> personal trainers that can teach you and help with the layout of >>> >> >> the gym. Also you could get a workout partner. Most people who >>> >> >> lift like to workout with a partner. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Suzanne >>> >> >> >>> >> >> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L >>> >> >> >>> >> >>> wrote: >>> >> >> >>> >> >>> Hi Kayla, the majority of weight loss comes from changing your >>> >> diet. >> >>> >> Try >>> >> >>> giving up sodas and juices and only drink water. Eat healthier, >>> >> >>> smaller meals, and foods high in fiber. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Kayla James via NABS-L >>> >> >>>>> > >>> >> >>>> wrote: >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> What are some ways that blind people can do to lose weight? >>> >> >>>> The exercise videos I'm finding are so visual on Youtube. Can >>> >> >>>> anyone help? >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>> >> >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> >> >>>> info for >>> >> >>> NABS-L: >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth. >>> net >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> >> >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> >> >>> info >>> for >>> >> >>> NABS-L: >>> >> >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >> NABS-L mailing list >>> >> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> >> >> info for >>> >> >> NABS-L: >>> >> >> >>> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmai >>> l.com >>> >> > >>> >> > _______________________________________________ >>> >> > NABS-L mailing list >>> >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> >> > for >>> >> > NABS-L: >>> >> > >>> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gm >>> ail.com >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> NABS-L mailing list >>> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> >> for >>> >> NABS-L: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu. >>> >> edu >>> >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > NABS-L mailing list >>> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> > for >>> > NABS-L: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail >>> > .com >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com > From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 01:21:31 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 21:21:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight In-Reply-To: <05412C7E800049669A2153C4386EEAB4@OwnerPC> References: <001201d1d7c0$9aaa9be0$cfffd3a0$@gmail.com><1EB4C255AEB94529B2273F3355CE5542@OwnerPC> <05412C7E800049669A2153C4386EEAB4@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <002301d1db12$8eb843f0$ac28cbd0$@gmail.com> Absolotely, you can lift two or even three days in a row. You just don't use the same body part. For example, if I burn my legs up with squats and other legs exercise, I wouldn't use my legs the next day. I'd bech press, or work with my arms or something. I've been a power lifter, and before my foray into the martial arts, I lifted weights for several years; around ten or so I think. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 6:22 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Ashley Bramlett Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight Susanne, Do you have something to back that up? Your advice is contrary to research and could hurt a novice exerciser. You should not lift for days in a row unless you work opposite muscles, especially as a novice exerciser which Kayla is. The American College of Sports Medicine recommends 2 or 3 times per week for novice exercisers. Importantly, progress is made during recuperation periods, so if you lift days in a row you cannot let your body recover from its sore muscles. I know from taking a fitness class and research and my former personal trainer. Lifting days in a row is bad for you because muscles need 48 hours to heal. If you are experienced, maybe you can handle more, but even then you should have low intensity days. I advise Kayla to read the guidelines from some real authority such as the American College of Sports Medicine. ACSM certifies many personal trainers and is a recognized authority on sports and fitness guidelines. Read them at http://www.exrx.net/WeightTraining/Guidelines.html. These guidelines from ACSM have been researched and proven effective. I just had to put my two cents in. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 1:02 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Suzanne Germano Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight You absolutely can lift weights more than 1 day in row. Most people lift 3 days on then 1 off but you can effectively lift weight 4,5,6 days in a row. I have done it for 20 years. Beware if low carb. It is not necessary. On Saturday, July 9, 2016, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L wrote: > Justin, > > Well said. When I had a personal trainer, she said pretty much what > you did. In addition to a balanced diet meaning ocasional sweet food > and lots of fiber food and medium to low carbs, you should have > strength training and cardio. > If only cardio, you will lose muscle which seems to be happening to me > as I've not done my strength training in a while. > > Everyone is different. In general though, cardio should be done to > burn fat and keep toned and have endurance. Cardio should be done at > least 3 times a week for 30 minutes or more. But for weight loss, > better to make it five or six days. > For lifting weights, 3 times is best, but don't lift in consecutive > days because your muscles need time to recover. > But actually two times a week is okay and will help with weight loss. > When I was able to lose weight, I did twice a week and that worked > fine for me for the strength part. > My trainer recommended five days of cardio for 30 minutes each or if > low intensity do like 45 minutes to 60 minutes. I mean if you fast > walked on a treadmill at say 3.5 miles an hour, that is low intensity. > But if you combined walking with jogging, you could do less time > because its higher intensity. > My trainer recommended lifting for 2 to 3 days a week. > But if you do lifting, remember to warm up with some cardio and > stretch afterward. > > Ashley > > > -----Original Message----- From: justin via NABS-L > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 3:57 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Cc: justin > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight > > You have to keep the cardio and muscle training balanced in order not > to lose muscle, and slow donw metabolism too much. Lift weights three > times a week, run thre times a week. > > justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne > Germano via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 3:19 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > > Cc: Suzanne Germano > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight > > It is actually better to use strength training to lose weight over > cardiovascular like jogging or ellipticals. Weight training has > affects on your cells for several hours adter you workout. Cardio on > the other hand only burns while you are doing it. Cardio often > actually leads to a slow down of metabolism and loss of muscle. It you > prefer not to lift weights than high intensity like plyometrics would > be a mych netter choice than tradtional forms of cardio. You can get > bands and do a pretty intense workout at home. I have some bands that > you can conbime together and get the weight to be 100lbs > > On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Joe Orozco via NABS-L > wrote: > > Suzanne brings up a great point. There are, as far as I know, four >> types of exercise: endurance, strength, balance, and flexibility. >> Certain exercises have the benefit of cross-applying to different >> types of training. Weight lifting would naturally best serve >> strength, but if what you're looking for is a means to drop weight to >> fit into certain clothes, endurance could be your focus for its >> ability to improve your circulatory system and generally improve your fitness. >> >> There are multiple activities you could tackle for endurance. Someone >> mentioned the treadmill. I enjoy using that but prefer the elliptical >> myself. Regardless, the idea here is not just to get on the machine >> and walk for fifteen minutes or so. Move at a fast clip to actually >> give your body a good workout. Otherwise you're better off strolling >> around the neighborhood and enjoy a better scenery. What I sometimes >> do is hop on, get into a fast jog for a couple minutes, then spend >> the next few minutes going full out sprint. Get your heart rate and >> lungs working overtime. Dial it back to catch your breath and then >> crank it up again for a good cardio routine. Of course, remember to >> keep it within your ability. Don't overdo any of it, and drink plenty >> of water. >> >> There are other activities you can do for endurance. Mowing the lawn, >> raking and digging can knock out chores around the house and provide >> a great workout. You can also dance, swim, and climb stairs or hills. >> If you can find someone to go tandem biking with, that can be a >> perfect endurance exercise. >> >> If you do lift weights, remember to give your muscles a chance to >> recuperate. Focus on specific muscles on different days of the week. >> The only part of the body I'm aware of that you can exercise every >> day without strain is the abdomen. Yeah, it's going to feel awful the >> first few days, but once your abdominal muscles become acclimated, >> you will not feel anywhere near as sore. >> >> My own workout routine rarely goes beyond half an hour and usually >> hovers around twenty minutes. I do a mix of sit-ups, pushups, >> burpees, lunges, squats, and planks. I'll usually wrap it up with a >> go at the elliptical machine. >> >> Whatever you do, find the routine that best fits your ability and >> your schedule. Three times a week is usually sufficient. I am not at >> all a fitness expert. I read enough articles and talked to enough >> enthusiasts to figure out how to do things right but then developed >> the regiment that best serves my lifestyle. And, while exercise can >> go a long way in helping you feel better about your image, don't >> forget to make health and fitness the primary purpose for working >> out. Do it for your own peace of mind and not for the purpose of >> looking a certain way because that could become a steep hill. If we >> think about it that way, there's usually something else and something >> else beyond that we feel we need to do to fit someone else's image of >> what we ought to look like. >> >> Good luck! >> >> Joe >> >> >> On 7/7/16, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L > > >> wrote: >> > I only gave those up for part of the 12 - 16 weeks that i dieted >> > for competition. When trying to get into contest shape you need to >> > eat only unprocessed food and those that do not raise blood sugar. >> > I did every a free day every two weeks so i did have dairy then. >> > >> > On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Kayla James via NABS-L >> > > > >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Don't you have to give up certain foods to do bodybuilding? Like, >> >> important ones like fruit and dairy. >> >> >> >> On 7/7/16, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L > >> >> > >> >> wrote: >> >> > I like to walk on treadmill. >> >> > >> >> > Sent from my iPad >> >> > >> >> >> On Jul 7, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L < >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> I am not totally blind but when I wanted to lose weight I >> >> >> changed my >> >> diet >> >> >> and then started lifting weights. I actually ended up being a >> >> >> top national level competitive bodybuilder. Most gyms have >> >> >> personal trainers that can teach you and help with the layout >> >> >> of the gym. Also you could get a workout partner. Most people >> >> >> who lift like to workout with a partner. >> >> >> >> >> >> Suzanne >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L >> >> >> >> >> >>> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> Hi Kayla, the majority of weight loss comes from changing your >> > diet. > >> >> Try >> >> >>> giving up sodas and juices and only drink water. Eat >> >> >>> healthier, smaller meals, and foods high in fiber. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Kayla James via NABS-L >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>> wrote: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> What are some ways that blind people can do to lose weight? >> >> >>>> The exercise videos I'm finding are so visual on Youtube. Can >> >> >>>> anyone help? >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >>>> NABS-L mailing list >> >> >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> >> >>>> info for >> >> >>> NABS-L: >> >> >>> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth. >> net >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >>> NABS-L mailing list >> >> >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> >> >>> info >> for >> >> >>> NABS-L: >> >> >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.ed >> u >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> NABS-L mailing list >> >> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> >> >> info for >> >> >> NABS-L: >> >> >> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gma >> i >> l.com >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > NABS-L mailing list >> >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> >> > info for >> >> > NABS-L: >> >> > >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40g >> m >> ail.com >> >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> NABS-L mailing list >> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >> for >> >> NABS-L: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu. >> >> edu >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > NABS-L mailing list >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> > for >> > NABS-L: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmai >> > l >> > .com >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.ed >> u >> >> _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 > 0gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40eart > hlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. net _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 01:22:02 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 21:22:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight In-Reply-To: <05412C7E800049669A2153C4386EEAB4@OwnerPC> References: <001201d1d7c0$9aaa9be0$cfffd3a0$@gmail.com><1EB4C255AEB94529B2273F3355CE5542@OwnerPC> <05412C7E800049669A2153C4386EEAB4@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <002401d1db12$a194e8c0$e4beba40$@gmail.com> And, I broek the South Carolina state record for deadlift for my age and weight class. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 6:22 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Ashley Bramlett Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight Susanne, Do you have something to back that up? Your advice is contrary to research and could hurt a novice exerciser. You should not lift for days in a row unless you work opposite muscles, especially as a novice exerciser which Kayla is. The American College of Sports Medicine recommends 2 or 3 times per week for novice exercisers. Importantly, progress is made during recuperation periods, so if you lift days in a row you cannot let your body recover from its sore muscles. I know from taking a fitness class and research and my former personal trainer. Lifting days in a row is bad for you because muscles need 48 hours to heal. If you are experienced, maybe you can handle more, but even then you should have low intensity days. I advise Kayla to read the guidelines from some real authority such as the American College of Sports Medicine. ACSM certifies many personal trainers and is a recognized authority on sports and fitness guidelines. Read them at http://www.exrx.net/WeightTraining/Guidelines.html. These guidelines from ACSM have been researched and proven effective. I just had to put my two cents in. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 1:02 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Suzanne Germano Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight You absolutely can lift weights more than 1 day in row. Most people lift 3 days on then 1 off but you can effectively lift weight 4,5,6 days in a row. I have done it for 20 years. Beware if low carb. It is not necessary. On Saturday, July 9, 2016, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L wrote: > Justin, > > Well said. When I had a personal trainer, she said pretty much what > you did. In addition to a balanced diet meaning ocasional sweet food > and lots of fiber food and medium to low carbs, you should have > strength training and cardio. > If only cardio, you will lose muscle which seems to be happening to me > as I've not done my strength training in a while. > > Everyone is different. In general though, cardio should be done to > burn fat and keep toned and have endurance. Cardio should be done at > least 3 times a week for 30 minutes or more. But for weight loss, > better to make it five or six days. > For lifting weights, 3 times is best, but don't lift in consecutive > days because your muscles need time to recover. > But actually two times a week is okay and will help with weight loss. > When I was able to lose weight, I did twice a week and that worked > fine for me for the strength part. > My trainer recommended five days of cardio for 30 minutes each or if > low intensity do like 45 minutes to 60 minutes. I mean if you fast > walked on a treadmill at say 3.5 miles an hour, that is low intensity. > But if you combined walking with jogging, you could do less time > because its higher intensity. > My trainer recommended lifting for 2 to 3 days a week. > But if you do lifting, remember to warm up with some cardio and > stretch afterward. > > Ashley > > > -----Original Message----- From: justin via NABS-L > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 3:57 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Cc: justin > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight > > You have to keep the cardio and muscle training balanced in order not > to lose muscle, and slow donw metabolism too much. Lift weights three > times a week, run thre times a week. > > justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne > Germano via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 3:19 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > > Cc: Suzanne Germano > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight > > It is actually better to use strength training to lose weight over > cardiovascular like jogging or ellipticals. Weight training has > affects on your cells for several hours adter you workout. Cardio on > the other hand only burns while you are doing it. Cardio often > actually leads to a slow down of metabolism and loss of muscle. It you > prefer not to lift weights than high intensity like plyometrics would > be a mych netter choice than tradtional forms of cardio. You can get > bands and do a pretty intense workout at home. I have some bands that > you can conbime together and get the weight to be 100lbs > > On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Joe Orozco via NABS-L > wrote: > > Suzanne brings up a great point. There are, as far as I know, four >> types of exercise: endurance, strength, balance, and flexibility. >> Certain exercises have the benefit of cross-applying to different >> types of training. Weight lifting would naturally best serve >> strength, but if what you're looking for is a means to drop weight to >> fit into certain clothes, endurance could be your focus for its >> ability to improve your circulatory system and generally improve your fitness. >> >> There are multiple activities you could tackle for endurance. Someone >> mentioned the treadmill. I enjoy using that but prefer the elliptical >> myself. Regardless, the idea here is not just to get on the machine >> and walk for fifteen minutes or so. Move at a fast clip to actually >> give your body a good workout. Otherwise you're better off strolling >> around the neighborhood and enjoy a better scenery. What I sometimes >> do is hop on, get into a fast jog for a couple minutes, then spend >> the next few minutes going full out sprint. Get your heart rate and >> lungs working overtime. Dial it back to catch your breath and then >> crank it up again for a good cardio routine. Of course, remember to >> keep it within your ability. Don't overdo any of it, and drink plenty >> of water. >> >> There are other activities you can do for endurance. Mowing the lawn, >> raking and digging can knock out chores around the house and provide >> a great workout. You can also dance, swim, and climb stairs or hills. >> If you can find someone to go tandem biking with, that can be a >> perfect endurance exercise. >> >> If you do lift weights, remember to give your muscles a chance to >> recuperate. Focus on specific muscles on different days of the week. >> The only part of the body I'm aware of that you can exercise every >> day without strain is the abdomen. Yeah, it's going to feel awful the >> first few days, but once your abdominal muscles become acclimated, >> you will not feel anywhere near as sore. >> >> My own workout routine rarely goes beyond half an hour and usually >> hovers around twenty minutes. I do a mix of sit-ups, pushups, >> burpees, lunges, squats, and planks. I'll usually wrap it up with a >> go at the elliptical machine. >> >> Whatever you do, find the routine that best fits your ability and >> your schedule. Three times a week is usually sufficient. I am not at >> all a fitness expert. I read enough articles and talked to enough >> enthusiasts to figure out how to do things right but then developed >> the regiment that best serves my lifestyle. And, while exercise can >> go a long way in helping you feel better about your image, don't >> forget to make health and fitness the primary purpose for working >> out. Do it for your own peace of mind and not for the purpose of >> looking a certain way because that could become a steep hill. If we >> think about it that way, there's usually something else and something >> else beyond that we feel we need to do to fit someone else's image of >> what we ought to look like. >> >> Good luck! >> >> Joe >> >> >> On 7/7/16, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L > > >> wrote: >> > I only gave those up for part of the 12 - 16 weeks that i dieted >> > for competition. When trying to get into contest shape you need to >> > eat only unprocessed food and those that do not raise blood sugar. >> > I did every a free day every two weeks so i did have dairy then. >> > >> > On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Kayla James via NABS-L >> > > > >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Don't you have to give up certain foods to do bodybuilding? Like, >> >> important ones like fruit and dairy. >> >> >> >> On 7/7/16, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L > >> >> > >> >> wrote: >> >> > I like to walk on treadmill. >> >> > >> >> > Sent from my iPad >> >> > >> >> >> On Jul 7, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L < >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> I am not totally blind but when I wanted to lose weight I >> >> >> changed my >> >> diet >> >> >> and then started lifting weights. I actually ended up being a >> >> >> top national level competitive bodybuilder. Most gyms have >> >> >> personal trainers that can teach you and help with the layout >> >> >> of the gym. Also you could get a workout partner. Most people >> >> >> who lift like to workout with a partner. >> >> >> >> >> >> Suzanne >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L >> >> >> >> >> >>> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> Hi Kayla, the majority of weight loss comes from changing your >> > diet. > >> >> Try >> >> >>> giving up sodas and juices and only drink water. Eat >> >> >>> healthier, smaller meals, and foods high in fiber. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Kayla James via NABS-L >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>> wrote: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> What are some ways that blind people can do to lose weight? >> >> >>>> The exercise videos I'm finding are so visual on Youtube. Can >> >> >>>> anyone help? >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >>>> NABS-L mailing list >> >> >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> >> >>>> info for >> >> >>> NABS-L: >> >> >>> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth. >> net >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >>> NABS-L mailing list >> >> >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> >> >>> info >> for >> >> >>> NABS-L: >> >> >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.ed >> u >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> NABS-L mailing list >> >> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> >> >> info for >> >> >> NABS-L: >> >> >> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gma >> i >> l.com >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > NABS-L mailing list >> >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> >> > info for >> >> > NABS-L: >> >> > >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40g >> m >> ail.com >> >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> NABS-L mailing list >> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >> for >> >> NABS-L: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu. >> >> edu >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > NABS-L mailing list >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> > for >> > NABS-L: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmai >> > l >> > .com >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.ed >> u >> >> _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 > 0gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40eart > hlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. net _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 02:58:39 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 22:58:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight In-Reply-To: <5782abaa.5247370a.bef93.fffff192@mx.google.com> References: <5782abaa.5247370a.bef93.fffff192@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <00bc01d1db20$20bc41e0$6234c5a0$@gmail.com> Yes. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shawn Abraham via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 4:10 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Shawn Abraham Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight You mean different lifts and body parts though, right? ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzanne Germano via NABS-L Hi All! This is the email many I've spoken with have been asking about and waiting for, the download link for this year's showcase of talent. The link below is an mp3 file that is about 419 megabytes in size that contains the talent show performances. If anyone wants a copy of just one person's performance from this event, please send me an email to discoduck221 at gmail.com and, depending on what requests I get, I will get those out to individuals this week. In the mean time, you can grab your copy of this year's Showcase Of Talent by visiting http://onj.me/pad2016 Enjoy, and write me off list if you have any problems with the download. >From David Dunphy From sgermano at asu.edu Mon Jul 11 12:06:31 2016 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 07:06:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight In-Reply-To: <002401d1db12$a194e8c0$e4beba40$@gmail.com> References: <001201d1d7c0$9aaa9be0$cfffd3a0$@gmail.com> <1EB4C255AEB94529B2273F3355CE5542@OwnerPC> <05412C7E800049669A2153C4386EEAB4@OwnerPC> <002401d1db12$a194e8c0$e4beba40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Congrats on the deadlift record. On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 8:22 PM, Justin Williams via NABS-L < nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > And, I broek the South Carolina state record for deadlift for my age and > weight class. > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley > Bramlett > via NABS-L > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 6:22 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: Ashley Bramlett > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight > > Susanne, > > Do you have something to back that up? Your advice is contrary to research > and could hurt a novice exerciser. > You should not lift for days in a row unless you work opposite muscles, > especially as a novice exerciser which Kayla is. > The American College of Sports Medicine recommends 2 or 3 times per week > for novice exercisers. > Importantly, progress is made during recuperation periods, so if you lift > days in a row you cannot let your body recover from its sore muscles. > > I know from taking a fitness class and research and my former personal > trainer. > > Lifting days in a row is bad for you because muscles need 48 hours to heal. > If you are experienced, maybe you can handle more, but even then you should > have low intensity days. > I advise Kayla to read the guidelines from some real authority such as the > American College of Sports Medicine. > ACSM certifies many personal trainers and is a recognized authority on > sports and fitness guidelines. > > Read them at http://www.exrx.net/WeightTraining/Guidelines.html. > These guidelines from ACSM have been researched and proven effective. > > I just had to put my two cents in. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: Suzanne Germano via NABS-L > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 1:02 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Suzanne Germano > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight > > You absolutely can lift weights more than 1 day in row. Most people lift 3 > days on then 1 off but you can effectively lift weight 4,5,6 days in a row. > I have done it for 20 years. > > Beware if low carb. It is not necessary. > > On Saturday, July 9, 2016, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L > wrote: > > > Justin, > > > > Well said. When I had a personal trainer, she said pretty much what > > you did. In addition to a balanced diet meaning ocasional sweet food > > and lots of fiber food and medium to low carbs, you should have > > strength training and cardio. > > If only cardio, you will lose muscle which seems to be happening to me > > as I've not done my strength training in a while. > > > > Everyone is different. In general though, cardio should be done to > > burn fat and keep toned and have endurance. Cardio should be done at > > least 3 times a week for 30 minutes or more. But for weight loss, > > better to make it five or six days. > > For lifting weights, 3 times is best, but don't lift in consecutive > > days because your muscles need time to recover. > > But actually two times a week is okay and will help with weight loss. > > When I was able to lose weight, I did twice a week and that worked > > fine for me for the strength part. > > My trainer recommended five days of cardio for 30 minutes each or if > > low intensity do like 45 minutes to 60 minutes. I mean if you fast > > walked on a treadmill at say 3.5 miles an hour, that is low intensity. > > But if you combined walking with jogging, you could do less time > > because its higher intensity. > > My trainer recommended lifting for 2 to 3 days a week. > > But if you do lifting, remember to warm up with some cardio and > > stretch afterward. > > > > Ashley > > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: justin via NABS-L > > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 3:57 PM > > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > > Cc: justin > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight > > > > You have to keep the cardio and muscle training balanced in order not > > to lose muscle, and slow donw metabolism too much. Lift weights three > > times a week, run thre times a week. > > > > justin > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne > > Germano via NABS-L > > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 3:19 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > > > > > Cc: Suzanne Germano > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight > > > > It is actually better to use strength training to lose weight over > > cardiovascular like jogging or ellipticals. Weight training has > > affects on your cells for several hours adter you workout. Cardio on > > the other hand only burns while you are doing it. Cardio often > > actually leads to a slow down of metabolism and loss of muscle. It you > > prefer not to lift weights than high intensity like plyometrics would > > be a mych netter choice than tradtional forms of cardio. You can get > > bands and do a pretty intense workout at home. I have some bands that > > you can conbime together and get the weight to be 100lbs > > > > On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Joe Orozco via NABS-L > > wrote: > > > > Suzanne brings up a great point. There are, as far as I know, four > >> types of exercise: endurance, strength, balance, and flexibility. > >> Certain exercises have the benefit of cross-applying to different > >> types of training. Weight lifting would naturally best serve > >> strength, but if what you're looking for is a means to drop weight to > >> fit into certain clothes, endurance could be your focus for its > >> ability to improve your circulatory system and generally improve your > fitness. > >> > >> There are multiple activities you could tackle for endurance. Someone > >> mentioned the treadmill. I enjoy using that but prefer the elliptical > >> myself. Regardless, the idea here is not just to get on the machine > >> and walk for fifteen minutes or so. Move at a fast clip to actually > >> give your body a good workout. Otherwise you're better off strolling > >> around the neighborhood and enjoy a better scenery. What I sometimes > >> do is hop on, get into a fast jog for a couple minutes, then spend > >> the next few minutes going full out sprint. Get your heart rate and > >> lungs working overtime. Dial it back to catch your breath and then > >> crank it up again for a good cardio routine. Of course, remember to > >> keep it within your ability. Don't overdo any of it, and drink plenty > >> of water. > >> > >> There are other activities you can do for endurance. Mowing the lawn, > >> raking and digging can knock out chores around the house and provide > >> a great workout. You can also dance, swim, and climb stairs or hills. > >> If you can find someone to go tandem biking with, that can be a > >> perfect endurance exercise. > >> > >> If you do lift weights, remember to give your muscles a chance to > >> recuperate. Focus on specific muscles on different days of the week. > >> The only part of the body I'm aware of that you can exercise every > >> day without strain is the abdomen. Yeah, it's going to feel awful the > >> first few days, but once your abdominal muscles become acclimated, > >> you will not feel anywhere near as sore. > >> > >> My own workout routine rarely goes beyond half an hour and usually > >> hovers around twenty minutes. I do a mix of sit-ups, pushups, > >> burpees, lunges, squats, and planks. I'll usually wrap it up with a > >> go at the elliptical machine. > >> > >> Whatever you do, find the routine that best fits your ability and > >> your schedule. Three times a week is usually sufficient. I am not at > >> all a fitness expert. I read enough articles and talked to enough > >> enthusiasts to figure out how to do things right but then developed > >> the regiment that best serves my lifestyle. And, while exercise can > >> go a long way in helping you feel better about your image, don't > >> forget to make health and fitness the primary purpose for working > >> out. Do it for your own peace of mind and not for the purpose of > >> looking a certain way because that could become a steep hill. If we > >> think about it that way, there's usually something else and something > >> else beyond that we feel we need to do to fit someone else's image of > >> what we ought to look like. > >> > >> Good luck! > >> > >> Joe > >> > >> > >> On 7/7/16, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L >> > > >> wrote: > >> > I only gave those up for part of the 12 - 16 weeks that i dieted > >> > for competition. When trying to get into contest shape you need to > >> > eat only unprocessed food and those that do not raise blood sugar. > >> > I did every a free day every two weeks so i did have dairy then. > >> > > >> > On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Kayla James via NABS-L > >> > >> > > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> Don't you have to give up certain foods to do bodybuilding? Like, > >> >> important ones like fruit and dairy. > >> >> > >> >> On 7/7/16, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L >> >> > >> > > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > I like to walk on treadmill. > >> >> > > >> >> > Sent from my iPad > >> >> > > >> >> >> On Jul 7, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L < > >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I am not totally blind but when I wanted to lose weight I > >> >> >> changed my > >> >> diet > >> >> >> and then started lifting weights. I actually ended up being a > >> >> >> top national level competitive bodybuilder. Most gyms have > >> >> >> personal trainers that can teach you and help with the layout > >> >> >> of the gym. Also you could get a workout partner. Most people > >> >> >> who lift like to workout with a partner. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Suzanne > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L > >> >> >> > >> >> >>> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >>> Hi Kayla, the majority of weight loss comes from changing your > >> > > diet. > > > >> >> Try > >> >> >>> giving up sodas and juices and only drink water. Eat > >> >> >>> healthier, smaller meals, and foods high in fiber. > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> Sent from my iPhone > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>>>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Kayla James via NABS-L > >> >> >>>>> > > >> >> >>>> wrote: > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> What are some ways that blind people can do to lose weight? > >> >> >>>> The exercise videos I'm finding are so visual on Youtube. Can > >> >> >>>> anyone help? > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ > >> >> >>>> NABS-L mailing list > >> >> >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > >> >> >>>> info for > >> >> >>> NABS-L: > >> >> >>> > >> >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth. > >> net > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ > >> >> >>> NABS-L mailing list > >> >> >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > >> >> >>> info > >> for > >> >> >>> NABS-L: > >> >> >>> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.ed > >> u > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> >> NABS-L mailing list > >> >> >> NABS-L at 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change your list options or get your account info for > > NABS-L: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 > > 0gmail > > .com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > NABS-L: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40eart > > hlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. > net > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 12:08:59 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 08:08:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight In-Reply-To: References: <001201d1d7c0$9aaa9be0$cfffd3a0$@gmail.com> <1EB4C255AEB94529B2273F3355CE5542@OwnerPC> <05412C7E800049669A2153C4386EEAB4@OwnerPC> <002401d1db12$a194e8c0$e4beba40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001d01d1db6d$02310420$06930c60$@gmail.com> Thanks, Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne Germano via NABS-L Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 8:07 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Suzanne Germano Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight Congrats on the deadlift record. On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 8:22 PM, Justin Williams via NABS-L < nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > And, I broek the South Carolina state record for deadlift for my age > and weight class. > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley > Bramlett via NABS-L > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 6:22 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > > Cc: Ashley Bramlett > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight > > Susanne, > > Do you have something to back that up? Your advice is contrary to > research and could hurt a novice exerciser. > You should not lift for days in a row unless you work opposite > muscles, especially as a novice exerciser which Kayla is. > The American College of Sports Medicine recommends 2 or 3 times per > week for novice exercisers. > Importantly, progress is made during recuperation periods, so if you > lift days in a row you cannot let your body recover from its sore muscles. > > I know from taking a fitness class and research and my former personal > trainer. > > Lifting days in a row is bad for you because muscles need 48 hours to heal. > If you are experienced, maybe you can handle more, but even then you > should have low intensity days. > I advise Kayla to read the guidelines from some real authority such as > the American College of Sports Medicine. > ACSM certifies many personal trainers and is a recognized authority on > sports and fitness guidelines. > > Read them at http://www.exrx.net/WeightTraining/Guidelines.html. > These guidelines from ACSM have been researched and proven effective. > > I just had to put my two cents in. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: Suzanne Germano via NABS-L > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 1:02 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Suzanne Germano > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight > > You absolutely can lift weights more than 1 day in row. Most people > lift 3 days on then 1 off but you can effectively lift weight 4,5,6 days in a row. > I have done it for 20 years. > > Beware if low carb. It is not necessary. > > On Saturday, July 9, 2016, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L > > wrote: > > > Justin, > > > > Well said. When I had a personal trainer, she said pretty much what > > you did. In addition to a balanced diet meaning ocasional sweet > > food and lots of fiber food and medium to low carbs, you should have > > strength training and cardio. > > If only cardio, you will lose muscle which seems to be happening to > > me as I've not done my strength training in a while. > > > > Everyone is different. In general though, cardio should be done to > > burn fat and keep toned and have endurance. Cardio should be done at > > least 3 times a week for 30 minutes or more. But for weight loss, > > better to make it five or six days. > > For lifting weights, 3 times is best, but don't lift in consecutive > > days because your muscles need time to recover. > > But actually two times a week is okay and will help with weight loss. > > When I was able to lose weight, I did twice a week and that worked > > fine for me for the strength part. > > My trainer recommended five days of cardio for 30 minutes each or if > > low intensity do like 45 minutes to 60 minutes. I mean if you fast > > walked on a treadmill at say 3.5 miles an hour, that is low intensity. > > But if you combined walking with jogging, you could do less time > > because its higher intensity. > > My trainer recommended lifting for 2 to 3 days a week. > > But if you do lifting, remember to warm up with some cardio and > > stretch afterward. > > > > Ashley > > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: justin via NABS-L > > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 3:57 PM > > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > > Cc: justin > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight > > > > You have to keep the cardio and muscle training balanced in order > > not to lose muscle, and slow donw metabolism too much. Lift weights > > three times a week, run thre times a week. > > > > justin > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne > > Germano via NABS-L > > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 3:19 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > > > > > Cc: Suzanne Germano > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight > > > > It is actually better to use strength training to lose weight over > > cardiovascular like jogging or ellipticals. Weight training has > > affects on your cells for several hours adter you workout. Cardio on > > the other hand only burns while you are doing it. Cardio often > > actually leads to a slow down of metabolism and loss of muscle. It > > you prefer not to lift weights than high intensity like plyometrics > > would be a mych netter choice than tradtional forms of cardio. You > > can get bands and do a pretty intense workout at home. I have some > > bands that you can conbime together and get the weight to be 100lbs > > > > On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Joe Orozco via NABS-L > > wrote: > > > > Suzanne brings up a great point. There are, as far as I know, four > >> types of exercise: endurance, strength, balance, and flexibility. > >> Certain exercises have the benefit of cross-applying to different > >> types of training. Weight lifting would naturally best serve > >> strength, but if what you're looking for is a means to drop weight > >> to fit into certain clothes, endurance could be your focus for its > >> ability to improve your circulatory system and generally improve > >> your > fitness. > >> > >> There are multiple activities you could tackle for endurance. > >> Someone mentioned the treadmill. I enjoy using that but prefer the > >> elliptical myself. Regardless, the idea here is not just to get on > >> the machine and walk for fifteen minutes or so. Move at a fast clip > >> to actually give your body a good workout. Otherwise you're better > >> off strolling around the neighborhood and enjoy a better scenery. > >> What I sometimes do is hop on, get into a fast jog for a couple > >> minutes, then spend the next few minutes going full out sprint. Get > >> your heart rate and lungs working overtime. Dial it back to catch > >> your breath and then crank it up again for a good cardio routine. > >> Of course, remember to keep it within your ability. Don't overdo > >> any of it, and drink plenty of water. > >> > >> There are other activities you can do for endurance. Mowing the > >> lawn, raking and digging can knock out chores around the house and > >> provide a great workout. You can also dance, swim, and climb stairs or hills. > >> If you can find someone to go tandem biking with, that can be a > >> perfect endurance exercise. > >> > >> If you do lift weights, remember to give your muscles a chance to > >> recuperate. Focus on specific muscles on different days of the week. > >> The only part of the body I'm aware of that you can exercise every > >> day without strain is the abdomen. Yeah, it's going to feel awful > >> the first few days, but once your abdominal muscles become > >> acclimated, you will not feel anywhere near as sore. > >> > >> My own workout routine rarely goes beyond half an hour and usually > >> hovers around twenty minutes. I do a mix of sit-ups, pushups, > >> burpees, lunges, squats, and planks. I'll usually wrap it up with a > >> go at the elliptical machine. > >> > >> Whatever you do, find the routine that best fits your ability and > >> your schedule. Three times a week is usually sufficient. I am not > >> at all a fitness expert. I read enough articles and talked to > >> enough enthusiasts to figure out how to do things right but then > >> developed the regiment that best serves my lifestyle. And, while > >> exercise can go a long way in helping you feel better about your > >> image, don't forget to make health and fitness the primary purpose > >> for working out. Do it for your own peace of mind and not for the > >> purpose of looking a certain way because that could become a steep > >> hill. If we think about it that way, there's usually something else > >> and something else beyond that we feel we need to do to fit someone > >> else's image of what we ought to look like. > >> > >> Good luck! > >> > >> Joe > >> > >> > >> On 7/7/16, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L >> > > >> wrote: > >> > I only gave those up for part of the 12 - 16 weeks that i dieted > >> > for competition. When trying to get into contest shape you need > >> > to eat only unprocessed food and those that do not raise blood sugar. > >> > I did every a free day every two weeks so i did have dairy then. > >> > > >> > On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Kayla James via NABS-L > >> > >> > > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> Don't you have to give up certain foods to do bodybuilding? > >> >> Like, important ones like fruit and dairy. > >> >> > >> >> On 7/7/16, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L >> >> > >> > > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > I like to walk on treadmill. > >> >> > > >> >> > Sent from my iPad > >> >> > > >> >> >> On Jul 7, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L < > >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I am not totally blind but when I wanted to lose weight I > >> >> >> changed my > >> >> diet > >> >> >> and then started lifting weights. I actually ended up being a > >> >> >> top national level competitive bodybuilder. Most gyms have > >> >> >> personal trainers that can teach you and help with the layout > >> >> >> of the gym. Also you could get a workout partner. Most people > >> >> >> who lift like to workout with a partner. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Suzanne > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L > >> >> >> > >> >> >>> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >>> Hi Kayla, the majority of weight loss comes from changing > >> >> >>> your > >> > > diet. > > > >> >> Try > >> >> >>> giving up sodas and juices and only drink water. Eat > >> >> >>> healthier, smaller meals, and foods high in fiber. > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> Sent from my iPhone > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>>>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Kayla James via NABS-L > >> >> >>>>> > > >> >> >>>> wrote: > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> What are some ways that blind people can do to lose weight? > >> >> >>>> The exercise videos I'm finding are so visual on Youtube. > >> >> >>>> Can anyone help? > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ > >> >> >>>> NABS-L mailing list > >> >> >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > >> >> >>>> account info for > >> >> >>> NABS-L: > >> >> >>> > >> >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth. > >> net > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ > >> >> >>> NABS-L mailing list > >> >> >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> >> >>> 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_______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From sgermano at asu.edu Mon Jul 11 12:49:37 2016 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 07:49:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] {Spam?} Re: ways to lose weight In-Reply-To: <05412C7E800049669A2153C4386EEAB4@OwnerPC> References: <001201d1d7c0$9aaa9be0$cfffd3a0$@gmail.com> <1EB4C255AEB94529B2273F3355CE5542@OwnerPC> <05412C7E800049669A2153C4386EEAB4@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I have been lifting for 20 years and worked with some of the top nutritionists and trainers in the country who not only have certifications but also degrees in nutrition and kinesiology. I was a top national level bodybuilder for 5 years and competed at he local level for 5 years. Well when I first started I was overweight and not at all active. I and not even done PE in high school at this time I was 32 years old and 60lbs. over weight. I started working out 3 days on 1 off repeat. I did something like day 1 legs, day 2 Back/biceps, day 3 chest, triceps and delts day off then repeat. I had no issues what so ever doing this but I did get great results. The ACSM also believes in BMI which is archaic and never actually designed to determine if someone was at a healthy level of body fat. For example, when I am extremely lean for competition I am considered obese by BMI standards yet my body fat is 5-6%. I also have personal trainer certification. You have to push your body if you want results. Most people who start working out quit because they see no results which more often than not is because they are not training hard enough. On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 5:21 PM, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L < nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > Susanne, > > Do you have something to back that up? Your advice is contrary to research > and could hurt a novice exerciser. > You should not lift for days in a row unless you work opposite muscles, > especially as a novice exerciser which Kayla is. > The American College of Sports Medicine recommends 2 or 3 times per week > for novice exercisers. > Importantly, progress is made during recuperation periods, so if you lift > days in a row you cannot let your body recover from its sore muscles. > > I know from taking a fitness class and research and my former personal > trainer. > > Lifting days in a row is bad for you because muscles need 48 hours to heal. > If you are experienced, maybe you can handle more, but even then you > should have low intensity days. > I advise Kayla to read the guidelines from some real authority such as the > American College of Sports Medicine. > ACSM certifies many personal trainers and is a recognized authority on > sports and fitness guidelines. > > Read them at http://www.exrx.net/WeightTraining/Guidelines.html. > These guidelines from ACSM have been researched and proven effective. > > I just had to put my two cents in. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano via NABS-L > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 1:02 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Suzanne Germano > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight > > You absolutely can lift weights more than 1 day in row. Most people lift 3 > days on then 1 off but you can effectively lift weight 4,5,6 days in a row. > I have done it for 20 years. > > Beware if low carb. It is not necessary. > > On Saturday, July 9, 2016, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L > wrote: > > Justin, >> >> Well said. When I had a personal trainer, she said pretty much what you >> did. In addition to a balanced diet meaning ocasional sweet food and lots >> of fiber food and medium to low carbs, you should have strength training >> and cardio. >> If only cardio, you will lose muscle which seems to be happening to me as >> I've not done my strength training in a while. >> >> Everyone is different. In general though, cardio should be done to burn >> fat and keep toned and have endurance. Cardio should be done at least 3 >> times a week for 30 minutes or more. But for weight loss, better to make >> it >> five or six days. >> For lifting weights, 3 times is best, but don't lift in consecutive days >> because your muscles need time to recover. >> But actually two times a week is okay and will help with weight loss. >> When I was able to lose weight, I did twice a week and that worked fine >> for me for the strength part. >> My trainer recommended five days of cardio for 30 minutes each or if low >> intensity do like 45 minutes to 60 minutes. I mean if you fast walked on a >> treadmill at say 3.5 miles an hour, that is low intensity. But if you >> combined walking with jogging, you could do less time because its higher >> intensity. >> My trainer recommended lifting for 2 to 3 days a week. >> But if you do lifting, remember to warm up with some cardio and stretch >> afterward. >> >> Ashley >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: justin via NABS-L >> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 3:57 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Cc: justin >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight >> >> You have to keep the cardio and muscle training balanced in order not to >> lose muscle, and slow donw metabolism too much. Lift weights three times >> a >> week, run thre times a week. >> >> justin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne >> Germano >> via NABS-L >> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 3:19 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list < >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > >> Cc: Suzanne Germano >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ways to lose weight >> >> It is actually better to use strength training to lose weight over >> cardiovascular like jogging or ellipticals. Weight training has affects on >> your cells for several hours adter you workout. Cardio on the other hand >> only burns while you are doing it. Cardio often actually leads to a slow >> down of metabolism and loss of muscle. It you prefer not to lift weights >> than high intensity like plyometrics would be a mych netter choice than >> tradtional forms of cardio. You can get bands and do a pretty intense >> workout at home. I have some bands that you can conbime together and get >> the >> weight to be 100lbs >> >> On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Joe Orozco via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Suzanne brings up a great point. There are, as far as I know, four >> >>> types of exercise: endurance, strength, balance, and flexibility. >>> Certain exercises have the benefit of cross-applying to different >>> types of training. Weight lifting would naturally best serve strength, >>> but if what you're looking for is a means to drop weight to fit into >>> certain clothes, endurance could be your focus for its ability to >>> improve your circulatory system and generally improve your fitness. >>> >>> There are multiple activities you could tackle for endurance. Someone >>> mentioned the treadmill. I enjoy using that but prefer the elliptical >>> myself. Regardless, the idea here is not just to get on the machine >>> and walk for fifteen minutes or so. Move at a fast clip to actually >>> give your body a good workout. Otherwise you're better off strolling >>> around the neighborhood and enjoy a better scenery. What I sometimes >>> do is hop on, get into a fast jog for a couple minutes, then spend the >>> next few minutes going full out sprint. Get your heart rate and lungs >>> working overtime. Dial it back to catch your breath and then crank it >>> up again for a good cardio routine. Of course, remember to keep it >>> within your ability. Don't overdo any of it, and drink plenty of >>> water. >>> >>> There are other activities you can do for endurance. Mowing the lawn, >>> raking and digging can knock out chores around the house and provide a >>> great workout. You can also dance, swim, and climb stairs or hills. If >>> you can find someone to go tandem biking with, that can be a perfect >>> endurance exercise. >>> >>> If you do lift weights, remember to give your muscles a chance to >>> recuperate. Focus on specific muscles on different days of the week. >>> The only part of the body I'm aware of that you can exercise every day >>> without strain is the abdomen. Yeah, it's going to feel awful the >>> first few days, but once your abdominal muscles become acclimated, you >>> will not feel anywhere near as sore. >>> >>> My own workout routine rarely goes beyond half an hour and usually >>> hovers around twenty minutes. I do a mix of sit-ups, pushups, burpees, >>> lunges, squats, and planks. I'll usually wrap it up with a go at the >>> elliptical machine. >>> >>> Whatever you do, find the routine that best fits your ability and your >>> schedule. Three times a week is usually sufficient. I am not at all a >>> fitness expert. I read enough articles and talked to enough >>> enthusiasts to figure out how to do things right but then developed >>> the regiment that best serves my lifestyle. And, while exercise can go >>> a long way in helping you feel better about your image, don't forget >>> to make health and fitness the primary purpose for working out. Do it >>> for your own peace of mind and not for the purpose of looking a >>> certain way because that could become a steep hill. If we think about >>> it that way, there's usually something else and something else beyond >>> that we feel we need to do to fit someone else's image of what we >>> ought to look like. >>> >>> Good luck! >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> >>> On 7/7/16, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L >> > >>> wrote: >>> > I only gave those up for part of the 12 - 16 weeks that i dieted for >>> > competition. When trying to get into contest shape you need to eat >>> > only unprocessed food and those that do not raise blood sugar. I did >>> > every a free day every two weeks so i did have dairy then. >>> > >>> > On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Kayla James via NABS-L >> > >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> >> Don't you have to give up certain foods to do bodybuilding? Like, >>> >> important ones like fruit and dairy. >>> >> >>> >> On 7/7/16, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L >> >> >>> > >>> >> wrote: >>> >> > I like to walk on treadmill. >>> >> > >>> >> > Sent from my iPad >>> >> > >>> >> >> On Jul 7, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L < >>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> >> >> wrote: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> I am not totally blind but when I wanted to lose weight I >>> >> >> changed my >>> >> diet >>> >> >> and then started lifting weights. I actually ended up being a >>> >> >> top national level competitive bodybuilder. Most gyms have >>> >> >> personal trainers that can teach you and help with the layout of >>> >> >> the gym. Also you could get a workout partner. Most people who >>> >> >> lift like to workout with a partner. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Suzanne >>> >> >> >>> >> >> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L >>> >> >> >>> >> >>> wrote: >>> >> >> >>> >> >>> Hi Kayla, the majority of weight loss comes from changing your >>> >>> diet. >> >> >> Try >>> >> >>> giving up sodas and juices and only drink water. Eat healthier, >>> >> >>> smaller meals, and foods high in fiber. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Kayla James via NABS-L >>> >> >>>>> > >>> >> >>>> wrote: >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> What are some ways that blind people can do to lose weight? >>> >> >>>> The exercise videos I'm finding are so visual on Youtube. Can >>> >> >>>> anyone help? >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>> >> >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> >> >>>> info for >>> >> >>> NABS-L: >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth. >>> net >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> >> >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> >> >>> info >>> for >>> >> >>> NABS-L: >>> >> >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >> NABS-L mailing list >>> >> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> >> >> info for >>> >> >> NABS-L: >>> >> >> >>> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmai >>> l.com >>> >> > >>> >> > _______________________________________________ >>> >> > NABS-L mailing list >>> >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> >> > for >>> >> > NABS-L: >>> >> > >>> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gm >>> ail.com >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> NABS-L mailing list >>> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> >> for >>> >> NABS-L: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu. >>> >> edu >>> >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > NABS-L mailing list >>> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> > for >>> > NABS-L: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail >>> > .com >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> >> _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From jsoro620 at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 14:19:35 2016 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:19:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] blindsquare vs seeing eye gps In-Reply-To: <5781169a.840e420a.37269.ffffd552@mx.google.com> References: <5781169a.840e420a.37269.ffffd552@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi, I hadn't really seen anyone speak up in favor of the Seeing Eye GPS app. That kind of bums me out, because I was hoping someone could justify the cost. Honestly, I feel like the only blind guy who missed the memo on the wow factor with BlindSquare. I find the app more annoying than helpful and fully confess this could be user idiocy. Like, I just want the damn thing to tell me the next cross street. I would like it to give some sort of audible indication when I'm pointing the phone in the right direction of my intended destination as is true of apps like WhereTo and Ariadne. As things stand, I get more information than I need, and even after configuring the settings to what I think I want, I feel as though the app picks and chooses when to actually be helpful. Again, this could just be me being a moron, so if any current users have suggestions on how to make the app more beneficial, I'd love to hear from you. The Seeing Eye app seems more streamlined, but I hesitate to throw down seventy on what I can currently accomplish with two apps. Still, I'm willing to be persuaded if for no other reason than to keep things straighter in my navigation needs. Thanks in advance, Joe On 7/9/16, petras via NABS-L wrote: > Hi, I've been interested in buying the Blind square app, but I > would like to know the difference between both apps. Which one > is better? I had jaws training almost a month ago and discussed > about the app. > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com > From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 14:33:31 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:33:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] blindsquare vs seeing eye gps In-Reply-To: References: <5781169a.840e420a.37269.ffffd552@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <006301d1db81$3310d3e0$99327ba0$@gmail.com> Yeah, I'd rather pay more for a streamlined experienced. Some reliable sources said that the Seeing eye gps was good, but I think the price is a turn off because people say then can get two or three apps to do what it does. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe Orozco via NABS-L Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 10:20 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Joe Orozco Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blindsquare vs seeing eye gps Hi, I hadn't really seen anyone speak up in favor of the Seeing Eye GPS app. That kind of bums me out, because I was hoping someone could justify the cost. Honestly, I feel like the only blind guy who missed the memo on the wow factor with BlindSquare. I find the app more annoying than helpful and fully confess this could be user idiocy. Like, I just want the damn thing to tell me the next cross street. I would like it to give some sort of audible indication when I'm pointing the phone in the right direction of my intended destination as is true of apps like WhereTo and Ariadne. As things stand, I get more information than I need, and even after configuring the settings to what I think I want, I feel as though the app picks and chooses when to actually be helpful. Again, this could just be me being a moron, so if any current users have suggestions on how to make the app more beneficial, I'd love to hear from you. The Seeing Eye app seems more streamlined, but I hesitate to throw down seventy on what I can currently accomplish with two apps. Still, I'm willing to be persuaded if for no other reason than to keep things straighter in my navigation needs. Thanks in advance, Joe On 7/9/16, petras via NABS-L wrote: > Hi, I've been interested in buying the Blind square app, but I would > like to know the difference between both apps. Which one is better? I > had jaws training almost a month ago and discussed about the app. > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.c > om > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From steve.jacobson at visi.com Mon Jul 11 16:48:34 2016 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:48:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] blindsquare vs seeing eye gps In-Reply-To: References: <5781169a.840e420a.37269.ffffd552@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Joe, My understanding of the two apps is that they overlap but are not really the same. You may find both apps useful. However, you can do a lot of filtering of Blind Square announcements, but I have also found that it seems as though one's preferences don't take effect immediately. Another thing you can do is to reduce the distance Blind Square looks around you for points of interest, and this will also reduce the noise. Best regards, Steve Jacobson -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe Orozco via NABS-L Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 9:20 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Joe Orozco Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blindsquare vs seeing eye gps Hi, I hadn't really seen anyone speak up in favor of the Seeing Eye GPS app. That kind of bums me out, because I was hoping someone could justify the cost. Honestly, I feel like the only blind guy who missed the memo on the wow factor with BlindSquare. I find the app more annoying than helpful and fully confess this could be user idiocy. Like, I just want the damn thing to tell me the next cross street. I would like it to give some sort of audible indication when I'm pointing the phone in the right direction of my intended destination as is true of apps like WhereTo and Ariadne. As things stand, I get more information than I need, and even after configuring the settings to what I think I want, I feel as though the app picks and chooses when to actually be helpful. Again, this could just be me being a moron, so if any current users have suggestions on how to make the app more beneficial, I'd love to hear from you. The Seeing Eye app seems more streamlined, but I hesitate to throw down seventy on what I can currently accomplish with two apps. Still, I'm willing to be persuaded if for no other reason than to keep things straighter in my navigation needs. Thanks in advance, Joe On 7/9/16, petras via NABS-L wrote: > Hi, I've been interested in buying the Blind square app, but I > would like to know the difference between both apps. Which one > is better? I had jaws training almost a month ago and discussed > about the app. > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.co m From lucysirianni at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 17:24:17 2016 From: lucysirianni at gmail.com (Lucy Sirianni) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:24:17 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Sharing Facebook posts with the iPhone and VoiceOver Message-ID: <5783d663.0304620a.4ec25.ffffaf55@mx.google.com> Hi all, Is it possible to share others' Facebook posts using an iPhone with VoiceOver? I have tried to do this by simply clicking on the "Share" link, but I'm not taken to a new page. Is there anything I can do to make this work? Thank you! Lucy Lucy Sirianni Doctoral Candidate and Graduate Student Instructor, Department of English, University of California, Berkeley Vice President of Inclusive Excellence and Social Action, Lydia Maria Child Society From taylorarndt99 at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 19:56:26 2016 From: taylorarndt99 at gmail.com (Taylor Arndt) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 15:56:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] blindsquare vs seeing eye gps In-Reply-To: References: <5781169a.840e420a.37269.ffffd552@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9289C055-CB1D-45A0-A967-CCB286B83C45@gmail.com> That's what I do Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 11, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Steve Jacobson via NABS-L wrote: > > Joe, > > My understanding of the two apps is that they overlap but are not really the > same. You may find both apps useful. However, you can do a lot of > filtering of Blind Square announcements, but I have also found that it seems > as though one's preferences don't take effect immediately. Another thing > you can do is to reduce the distance Blind Square looks around you for > points of interest, and this will also reduce the noise. > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe Orozco via > NABS-L > Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 9:20 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Joe Orozco > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blindsquare vs seeing eye gps > > Hi, I hadn't really seen anyone speak up in favor of the Seeing Eye > GPS app. That kind of bums me out, because I was hoping someone could > justify the cost. Honestly, I feel like the only blind guy who missed > the memo on the wow factor with BlindSquare. I find the app more > annoying than helpful and fully confess this could be user idiocy. > Like, I just want the damn thing to tell me the next cross street. I > would like it to give some sort of audible indication when I'm > pointing the phone in the right direction of my intended destination > as is true of apps like WhereTo and Ariadne. As things stand, I get > more information than I need, and even after configuring the settings > to what I think I want, I feel as though the app picks and chooses > when to actually be helpful. Again, this could just be me being a > moron, so if any current users have suggestions on how to make the app > more beneficial, I'd love to hear from you. The Seeing Eye app seems > more streamlined, but I hesitate to throw down seventy on what I can > currently accomplish with two apps. Still, I'm willing to be persuaded > if for no other reason than to keep things straighter in my navigation > needs. > > Thanks in advance, > > Joe > > >> On 7/9/16, petras via NABS-L wrote: >> Hi, I've been interested in buying the Blind square app, but I >> would like to know the difference between both apps. Which one >> is better? I had jaws training almost a month ago and discussed >> about the app. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.co > m > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/taylorarndt99%40gmail.com From kskristen at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 21:02:20 2016 From: kskristen at gmail.com (Kristen Steele) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:02:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Sharing Facebook posts with the iPhone and VoiceOver In-Reply-To: <5783d663.0304620a.4ec25.ffffaf55@mx.google.com> References: <5783d663.0304620a.4ec25.ffffaf55@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hey, Lucy! Yes, I have shared other friends' posts successfully from my iPhone. Instead of clicking on the post to expand it, there's also a shortcut. If you have VO hints turned on in Settings, it will read the status, then announce, "Two-finger double-tap to interact with this story." Once you two-finger double-tap on that particular status, you will be presented with an alert, asking you to select an action. Swipe until you find Share and double-tap. Then, you will be taken to a page to review/customize your post. (You can also use this shortcut to like or comment on a story more quickly, if you don't want to read the rest of the comments.) HTH, and hope things are going well! :) -- Kristen On 7/11/16, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L wrote: > Hi all, > > Is it possible to share others' Facebook posts using an iPhone > with VoiceOver? I have tried to do this by simply clicking on the > "Share" link, but I'm not taken to a new page. Is there anything > I can do to make this work? > > Thank you! > > Lucy > > Lucy Sirianni > Doctoral Candidate and Graduate Student Instructor, Department of > English, University of California, Berkeley > Vice President of Inclusive Excellence and Social Action, Lydia > Maria Child Society > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kskristen%40gmail.com > From chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com Mon Jul 11 21:43:16 2016 From: chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com (chelsea peahl) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 21:43:16 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] College Math questions Message-ID: Hi NABSters, I have been working as the Braille editor for my university for a few months now. We recently started doing a Braille math book in Nemeth for a student, and with it being our first one, I have a few questions that I am hoping that all of your own experiences can help me with. My experience won't help as much as I would like because I do have limited vision so I've done things differently than this student will need. 1. When using tactiles, how do you prefer them? Do you like every tactile printed, or a general one that just goes over concept. (I ask this because for me, I prefer one that goes over concept whereas someone else likes all of them.) 2. When a problem is graphing, whether it be on a number line or on a graph, do you prefer a reader, or do you prefer to do these on your own with tactile graphing paper? Are these the only options? If not, what other options are there that you like? 3. Do you have any other tips/tricks/ideas that I can do to help this student as well as the rest of the team that is creating this textbook? Please let me know! Thank you! Chelsea Peahl From annajee82 at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 22:49:22 2016 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:49:22 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] College Math questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1543AE39-37A9-454A-9C74-8D872C378CAE@gmail.com> Chelsea, Great questions. Please see answers below: 1. > When using tactiles, how do you prefer them? Do you like every tactile printed, or a general one that just goes over concept. (I ask this because for me, I prefer one that goes over concept whereas someone else likes all of them.) As you stated, different people like different things. I guess it depends on the class but generally I personally would prefer just the minimum. I would talk to the professor and go over what graphs, diagrams, charts, pictures, etc are essential for a student in the class to see. Then I would get tactiles of those. Getting every image in math or science would only be a gigantic pain in the butt for me!! :) However, since you are making a book for another student, it should be up to that student how they want things done. I encourage lots of communication with that particular student. This will ensure that the student will get what works best for him/her. > 2. When a problem is graphing, whether it be on a number line or on a graph, do you prefer a reader, or do you prefer to do these on your own with tactile graphing paper? Are these the only options? If not, what other options are there that you like? This, too, is a personal preference. If it is a class like precalculus for example, I would suggest using tactile graphing paper, because the student ia learning the basics of graphing and the work is detailed. However, in a class like organic chemistry for example, there are many graphs, but they do not need to each be precisely graphed by the student. If the idea is understanding a general trend then I would suggest using a hot glue or puff paint or wiki-sticks with the student. But again that would just be my preference. In graphing trend lines, I would use something like excel to make my own graphs, but not to learn about the graph though. Then of course sometimes if you don't really need to understand much detail about the graph, using a skilled reader is perfectly sufficient. But I would think that if the student needs to do the graphing for a problem, using a reader is probably not the best option in that case. Just my experience, and again I would encourage contacting the student. > 3. Do you have any other tips/tricks/ideas that I can do to help this student as well as the rest of the team that is creating this textbook? I guess not. It would help to know what book or what class this is for. And mainly. As I've said, the student should be dictating how they want all this handled, and it would serve that student well to be in contact with the professor in order to help understand what material is essential for learning the various concepts in the class. Hope this helps a little bit. Thanks, Anna E Givens > On Jul 11, 2016, at 3:43 PM, chelsea peahl via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi NABSters, > I have been working as the Braille editor for my university for a few months now. We recently started doing a Braille math book in Nemeth for a student, and with it being our first one, I have a few questions that I am hoping that all of your own experiences can help me with. My experience won't help as much as I would like because I do have limited vision so I've done things differently than this student will need. > 1. When using tactiles, how do you prefer them? Do you like every tactile printed, or a general one that just goes over concept. (I ask this because for me, I prefer one that goes over concept whereas someone else likes all of them.) > 2. When a problem is graphing, whether it be on a number line or on a graph, do you prefer a reader, or do you prefer to do these on your own with tactile graphing paper? Are these the only options? If not, what other options are there that you like? > 3. Do you have any other tips/tricks/ideas that I can do to help this student as well as the rest of the team that is creating this textbook? Please let me know! > Thank you! > > Chelsea Peahl > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From kestomberg at coe.edu Mon Jul 11 22:55:37 2016 From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 17:55:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] College Math questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0170F27E-1998-4851-80C6-97D99BFF22D5@coe.edu> My best advice would be for you to ask these questions to the student that will be receiving the textbook. Generally speaking, I like the whole tactile drawing NOT just enough for me to understand the concept. I want to feel what the sighted people see. In terms of graphing... I prefer to do graphing problems on my own. But sometimes, human readers are just more efficient. Again, best to ask your student. :) Best of luck! Kennedy Kennedy Stomberg (218)295-2391 > On Jul 11, 2016, at 4:43 PM, chelsea peahl via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi NABSters, > I have been working as the Braille editor for my university for a few months now. We recently started doing a Braille math book in Nemeth for a student, and with it being our first one, I have a few questions that I am hoping that all of your own experiences can help me with. My experience won't help as much as I would like because I do have limited vision so I've done things differently than this student will need. > 1. When using tactiles, how do you prefer them? Do you like every tactile printed, or a general one that just goes over concept. (I ask this because for me, I prefer one that goes over concept whereas someone else likes all of them.) > 2. When a problem is graphing, whether it be on a number line or on a graph, do you prefer a reader, or do you prefer to do these on your own with tactile graphing paper? Are these the only options? If not, what other options are there that you like? > 3. Do you have any other tips/tricks/ideas that I can do to help this student as well as the rest of the team that is creating this textbook? Please let me know! > Thank you! > > Chelsea Peahl > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu From chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com Mon Jul 11 23:22:18 2016 From: chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com (chelsea peahl) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 23:22:18 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] College Math questions In-Reply-To: <0170F27E-1998-4851-80C6-97D99BFF22D5@coe.edu> References: , <0170F27E-1998-4851-80C6-97D99BFF22D5@coe.edu> Message-ID: Thank you for your responses! We have had a particularly hard time remaining in contact with the student so as we weighed our options today, we thought something that could help is getting the opinions of others to get a general idea of what others have liked until we can make contact with the student again, instead of haunting production completely! Thank you so much! Chelsea Peahl > On Jul 11, 2016, at 4:56 PM, KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L wrote: > > My best advice would be for you to ask these questions to the student that will be receiving the textbook. > Generally speaking, I like the whole tactile drawing NOT just enough for me to understand the concept. I want to feel what the sighted people see. > In terms of graphing... I prefer to do graphing problems on my own. But sometimes, human readers are just more efficient. > > Again, best to ask your student. :) > > Best of luck! > Kennedy > > Kennedy Stomberg > (218)295-2391 > >> On Jul 11, 2016, at 4:43 PM, chelsea peahl via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hi NABSters, >> I have been working as the Braille editor for my university for a few months now. We recently started doing a Braille math book in Nemeth for a student, and with it being our first one, I have a few questions that I am hoping that all of your own experiences can help me with. My experience won't help as much as I would like because I do have limited vision so I've done things differently than this student will need. >> 1. When using tactiles, how do you prefer them? Do you like every tactile printed, or a general one that just goes over concept. (I ask this because for me, I prefer one that goes over concept whereas someone else likes all of them.) >> 2. When a problem is graphing, whether it be on a number line or on a graph, do you prefer a reader, or do you prefer to do these on your own with tactile graphing paper? Are these the only options? If not, what other options are there that you like? >> 3. Do you have any other tips/tricks/ideas that I can do to help this student as well as the rest of the team that is creating this textbook? Please let me know! >> Thank you! >> >> Chelsea Peahl >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelsea.peahl%40hotmail.com From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Tue Jul 12 00:45:49 2016 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 20:45:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] College Math questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Chelsea, I hope you are able to get in touch with the student who is requesting this book as each person has different ways of doing things. I have never been able to figure out how to use tactile graphics all that well, and would rather receive a verbal description of something so I can create a mental image of it in my head. Likewise, I find it easier to describe, or more like show with my finger, the elements of a graph to a reader rather than doing it by tactile methods. However, I grew up sighted and not blind, and this may very well be the reason why I prefer to do things the way that I do. Other alternatives for creating graphs for a math class could also include the student providing a detailed accurate written description of the graph, or using an excel spreadsheet to create a graph or number line. I do not have any experience using either one of these alternatives, but they would definitely be some possibilities. Anyway, I hope this helps you find some alternatives for the student who is looking for the braille math book. Warm regards, Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of chelsea peahl via NABS-L Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 5:43 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: chelsea peahl Subject: [nabs-l] College Math questions Hi NABSters, I have been working as the Braille editor for my university for a few months now. We recently started doing a Braille math book in Nemeth for a student, and with it being our first one, I have a few questions that I am hoping that all of your own experiences can help me with. My experience won't help as much as I would like because I do have limited vision so I've done things differently than this student will need. 1. When using tactiles, how do you prefer them? Do you like every tactile printed, or a general one that just goes over concept. (I ask this because for me, I prefer one that goes over concept whereas someone else likes all of them.) 2. When a problem is graphing, whether it be on a number line or on a graph, do you prefer a reader, or do you prefer to do these on your own with tactile graphing paper? Are these the only options? If not, what other options are there that you like? 3. Do you have any other tips/tricks/ideas that I can do to help this student as well as the rest of the team that is creating this textbook? Please let me know! Thank you! Chelsea Peahl _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 01:10:45 2016 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 21:10:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Sharing Facebook posts with the iPhone and VoiceOver In-Reply-To: References: <5783d663.0304620a.4ec25.ffffaf55@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi, Lucy and all, Alternatively, rather than two finger double tap, you can now just swipe up or down with one finger on the post to cycle through these options. Once you hear what you want to do, you then double tap with one finger to perform the action. E.G, if you swipe down once on a post you will hear "Like," If you wanted to like the post, then you would just double tap. Cycling through would give you comments to comment, share, and more options which includes another pop up window with options for saving posts, hiding notifications, etc. HTH. On 7/11/16, Kristen Steele via NABS-L wrote: > Hey, Lucy! > > Yes, I have shared other friends' posts successfully from my iPhone. > Instead of clicking on the post to expand it, there's also a shortcut. > If you have VO hints turned on in Settings, it will read the status, > then announce, "Two-finger double-tap to interact with this story." > Once you two-finger double-tap on that particular status, you will be > presented with an alert, asking you to select an action. Swipe until > you find Share and double-tap. Then, you will be taken to a page to > review/customize your post. (You can also use this shortcut to like or > comment on a story more quickly, if you don't want to read the rest of > the comments.) > > HTH, and hope things are going well! :) > -- > Kristen > > On 7/11/16, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Is it possible to share others' Facebook posts using an iPhone >> with VoiceOver? I have tried to do this by simply clicking on the >> "Share" link, but I'm not taken to a new page. Is there anything >> I can do to make this work? >> >> Thank you! >> >> Lucy >> >> Lucy Sirianni >> Doctoral Candidate and Graduate Student Instructor, Department of >> English, University of California, Berkeley >> Vice President of Inclusive Excellence and Social Action, Lydia >> Maria Child Society >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kskristen%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti Shelton From kskristen at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 02:20:28 2016 From: kskristen at gmail.com (Kristen Steele) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 21:20:28 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Sharing Facebook posts with the iPhone and VoiceOver In-Reply-To: References: <5783d663.0304620a.4ec25.ffffaf55@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Oh, cool! I had never tried it that way and had only followed VOs directions. Thanks for the tip! :) -- Kristen On 7/11/16, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L wrote: > Hi, Lucy and all, > > Alternatively, rather than two finger double tap, you can now just > swipe up or down with one finger on the post to cycle through these > options. Once you hear what you want to do, you then double tap with > one finger to perform the action. E.G, if you swipe down once on a > post you will hear "Like," If you wanted to like the post, then you > would just double tap. Cycling through would give you comments to > comment, share, and more options which includes another pop up window > with options for saving posts, hiding notifications, etc. > > HTH. > > On 7/11/16, Kristen Steele via NABS-L wrote: >> Hey, Lucy! >> >> Yes, I have shared other friends' posts successfully from my iPhone. >> Instead of clicking on the post to expand it, there's also a shortcut. >> If you have VO hints turned on in Settings, it will read the status, >> then announce, "Two-finger double-tap to interact with this story." >> Once you two-finger double-tap on that particular status, you will be >> presented with an alert, asking you to select an action. Swipe until >> you find Share and double-tap. Then, you will be taken to a page to >> review/customize your post. (You can also use this shortcut to like or >> comment on a story more quickly, if you don't want to read the rest of >> the comments.) >> >> HTH, and hope things are going well! :) >> -- >> Kristen >> >> On 7/11/16, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Is it possible to share others' Facebook posts using an iPhone >>> with VoiceOver? I have tried to do this by simply clicking on the >>> "Share" link, but I'm not taken to a new page. Is there anything >>> I can do to make this work? >>> >>> Thank you! >>> >>> Lucy >>> >>> Lucy Sirianni >>> Doctoral Candidate and Graduate Student Instructor, Department of >>> English, University of California, Berkeley >>> Vice President of Inclusive Excellence and Social Action, Lydia >>> Maria Child Society >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kskristen%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti Shelton > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kskristen%40gmail.com > From kmaent1 at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 02:42:37 2016 From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 22:42:37 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Sharing Facebook posts with the iPhone and VoiceOver Message-ID: <57845930.1779810a.956a4.480f@mx.google.com> Hi Lucy, it is definitely possible to do, but I have found that it glitches quite often and simply doesn't react when I tap the share button. Usually waiting a few seconds and tapping the share button again has worked for me. HTH, Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L BANA logo Press Release July 2016 For Immediate Release Contact: Jennifer Dunnam, Chair Braille Authority of North America 612-767-5658 chair at brailleauthority.org BANA Adopts Guidelines at Spring Meeting and Hosts International Council on English Braille The Braille Authority of North America (BANA) held its 2016 spring meeting May 19–21 in Baltimore, Maryland. The Council of Schools and Services for the Blind (COSB), a BANA member organization, hosted the meeting, which was held at the Maryland School for the Blind. BANA welcomed new Board member Jessica Rivera who replaces Barbara Finkelstein as the Associated Services for the Blind (ASB) representative. BANA was honored to have several guests from the braille authorities of Australia and New Zealand as well as a number of local professionals and transcribers who observed the meeting. One of the highlights of BANA’s three-day meeting was the Board’s approval of the eagerly anticipated 2016 revision of Braille Formats: Principles of Print-to Braille Transcription. This work is now being prepared for publication and will be available on the BANA website later this year. Hardcopy versions will be available for purchase at a later date. The BANA Board also approved an expanded version of the previously distributed “Provisional Guidance for Transcription Using the Nemeth Code within UEB Contexts.” The newly adopted document incorporates additional examples as well as modifications based on input from users of the provisional version. This new “Guidance for Transcription Using the Nemeth Code within UEB Contexts” is now available on the BANA website at http://www.brailleauthority.org/mathscience/math-science.html. In addition, the Board approved another guidance document­“Provisional Guidance for Transcription Using the Chemistry Code within UEB Contexts.” This document will be available on the BANA website this summer. Following the BANA meeting, the International Council on English Braille (ICEB) held its Sixth General Assembly. This meeting, which is held every four years, was jointly hosted by BANA and the National Federation of the Blind (NFB) at NFB headquarters in Baltimore. In addition to conducting Council business, this five-day meeting included papers and poster/demonstration presentations from members of organizations representing braille authorities in all eight ICEB member countries. NOTE: This press release is available in HTML on the BANA website at http://www.brailleauthority.org/pressreleases/pr-2016-7.html The Board of BANA consists of appointed representatives from seventeen member organizations of braille producers, transcribers, teachers, and consumers. The mission of the Braille Authority of North America is to assure literacy for tactile readers through the standardization of braille and/or tactile graphics. The purpose of BANA is to promote and to facilitate the uses, teaching, and production of braille. Pursuant to this purpose, BANA will promulgate rules, make interpretations, and render opinions pertaining to braille codes and guidelines for the provisions of literary and technical materials and related forms and formats of embossed materials now in existence or to be developed in the future for the use of blind persons in North America. When appropriate, BANA shall accomplish these activities in international collaboration with countries using English braille. In exercising its function and authority, BANA shall consider the effects of its decisions on other existing braille codes and guidelines, forms and formats; ease of production by various methods; and acceptability to readers. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 30ed0b8f.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 14363 bytes Desc: not available URL: From brice.smith319 at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 04:05:25 2016 From: brice.smith319 at gmail.com (Brice) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 00:05:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] blindsquare vs seeing eye gps In-Reply-To: References: <5781169a.840e420a.37269.ffffd552@mx.google.com> Message-ID: IMO, The Seeing Eye GPS has two advantages: intersection analysis and Google Places integration. BlindSquare only pulls data from Foursquare, and BlindSquare does not give detailed information about intersections. But BlindSquare offers plenty of advantages, too. You can create and manage favorites. You can simulate locations and virtually explore an area anywhere in the world that Foursquare and Open Street Maps has data. There’s a handy “sleep” button in the lower right corner. You can set an Uber directly from the app. These are just a few of many features that make BlindSquare a joy to use, and demonstrate how committed the developer is to user requests and feedback. I didn’t include turn-by-turn directions as an advantage for The Seeing Eye. Why? I find that the directions are often unreliable, and the app has no traffic information or rerouting whatsoever. I like that BlindSquare integrates with Google and Apple Maps because Google and Apple maps are quickly becoming the gold standard in GPS for everyone, everywhere. Google Maps is spot on with ETAs and traffic data, and Apple Maps has several built-in accessibility features. You can explore the layout of streets with your finger, turn tracking on and hear upcoming intersections and points of interest, and swipe and hear your current location which continuously updates. Google and especially Apple maps will do in a pinch if someone can't pay for BlindSquare or The Seeing Eye. So, you decide: do the advantages of The Seeing Eye app justify purchase? On 7/11/16, Joe Orozco via NABS-L wrote: > Hi, I hadn't really seen anyone speak up in favor of the Seeing Eye > GPS app. That kind of bums me out, because I was hoping someone could > justify the cost. Honestly, I feel like the only blind guy who missed > the memo on the wow factor with BlindSquare. I find the app more > annoying than helpful and fully confess this could be user idiocy. > Like, I just want the damn thing to tell me the next cross street. I > would like it to give some sort of audible indication when I'm > pointing the phone in the right direction of my intended destination > as is true of apps like WhereTo and Ariadne. As things stand, I get > more information than I need, and even after configuring the settings > to what I think I want, I feel as though the app picks and chooses > when to actually be helpful. Again, this could just be me being a > moron, so if any current users have suggestions on how to make the app > more beneficial, I'd love to hear from you. The Seeing Eye app seems > more streamlined, but I hesitate to throw down seventy on what I can > currently accomplish with two apps. Still, I'm willing to be persuaded > if for no other reason than to keep things straighter in my navigation > needs. > > Thanks in advance, > > Joe > > > On 7/9/16, petras via NABS-L wrote: >> Hi, I've been interested in buying the Blind square app, but I >> would like to know the difference between both apps. Which one >> is better? I had jaws training almost a month ago and discussed >> about the app. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brice.smith319%40gmail.com > From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 12:13:32 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:13:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] blindsquare vs seeing eye gps In-Reply-To: References: <5781169a.840e420a.37269.ffffd552@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <021401d1dc36$cefc21f0$6cf465d0$@gmail.com> Does blind squared have turn by turn directions? Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brice via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 12:05 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Brice Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blindsquare vs seeing eye gps IMO, The Seeing Eye GPS has two advantages: intersection analysis and Google Places integration. BlindSquare only pulls data from Foursquare, and BlindSquare does not give detailed information about intersections. But BlindSquare offers plenty of advantages, too. You can create and manage favorites. You can simulate locations and virtually explore an area anywhere in the world that Foursquare and Open Street Maps has data. There’s a handy “sleep” button in the lower right corner. You can set an Uber directly from the app. These are just a few of many features that make BlindSquare a joy to use, and demonstrate how committed the developer is to user requests and feedback. I didn’t include turn-by-turn directions as an advantage for The Seeing Eye. Why? I find that the directions are often unreliable, and the app has no traffic information or rerouting whatsoever. I like that BlindSquare integrates with Google and Apple Maps because Google and Apple maps are quickly becoming the gold standard in GPS for everyone, everywhere. Google Maps is spot on with ETAs and traffic data, and Apple Maps has several built-in accessibility features. You can explore the layout of streets with your finger, turn tracking on and hear upcoming intersections and points of interest, and swipe and hear your current location which continuously updates. Google and especially Apple maps will do in a pinch if someone can't pay for BlindSquare or The Seeing Eye. So, you decide: do the advantages of The Seeing Eye app justify purchase? On 7/11/16, Joe Orozco via NABS-L wrote: > Hi, I hadn't really seen anyone speak up in favor of the Seeing Eye > GPS app. That kind of bums me out, because I was hoping someone could > justify the cost. Honestly, I feel like the only blind guy who missed > the memo on the wow factor with BlindSquare. I find the app more > annoying than helpful and fully confess this could be user idiocy. > Like, I just want the damn thing to tell me the next cross street. I > would like it to give some sort of audible indication when I'm > pointing the phone in the right direction of my intended destination > as is true of apps like WhereTo and Ariadne. As things stand, I get > more information than I need, and even after configuring the settings > to what I think I want, I feel as though the app picks and chooses > when to actually be helpful. Again, this could just be me being a > moron, so if any current users have suggestions on how to make the app > more beneficial, I'd love to hear from you. The Seeing Eye app seems > more streamlined, but I hesitate to throw down seventy on what I can > currently accomplish with two apps. Still, I'm willing to be persuaded > if for no other reason than to keep things straighter in my navigation > needs. > > Thanks in advance, > > Joe > > > On 7/9/16, petras via NABS-L wrote: >> Hi, I've been interested in buying the Blind square app, but I would >> like to know the difference between both apps. Which one is better? >> I had jaws training almost a month ago and discussed about the app. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail. >> com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brice.smith319%40g > mail.com > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 17:42:09 2016 From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 13:42:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Meet Some of Our Scholarship Winners in our Latest NABS Blog Post! Message-ID: <013401d1dc64$b7c4bfa0$274e3ee0$@gmail.com> Hey NABSters: I hope all of you have sufficiently recovered from the chaos of national convention, and that you have returned reenergized to continue the work of the Federation. Since leaving Orlando, your new NABS Board has hit the ground running on initiatives old and new, and we are excited to announce that the first blog post of the new Federation year is up for your reading pleasure! In this post, we spotlight a few of this year's scholarship finalists as they reflect on their convention experience and how it has empowered them to keep living the lives they want. Check it out here: http://nabslink.org/content/scholarship-spotlight-part-1-meet-some-our-2016- scholarship-class Happy reading, Chris Chris Nusbaum, President Maryland Association of Blind Students Board Member, National Association of Blind Students Phone: (443) 547-2409 Email: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Twitter: @Chrisn98 and @nabslink The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise expectations for blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you bak. From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 17:51:03 2016 From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 13:51:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Meet Some of Our Scholarship Winners in our Latest NABS Blog Post! In-Reply-To: <013401d1dc64$b7c4bfa0$274e3ee0$@gmail.com> References: <013401d1dc64$b7c4bfa0$274e3ee0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Link: http://nabslink.org/content/scholarship-spotlight-part-1-meet-some-our-2016-scholarship-class Kathryn Webster President, National Association of Blind Students (203) 273-8463 Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 12, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L wrote: > > Hey NABSters: > > > > I hope all of you have sufficiently recovered from the chaos of national > convention, and that you have returned reenergized to continue the work of > the Federation. Since leaving Orlando, your new NABS Board has hit the > ground running on initiatives old and new, and we are excited to announce > that the first blog post of the new Federation year is up for your reading > pleasure! In this post, we spotlight a few of this year's scholarship > finalists as they reflect on their convention experience and how it has > empowered them to keep living the lives they want. Check it out here: > http://nabslink.org/content/scholarship-spotlight-part-1-meet-some-our-2016- > scholarship-class > > > > Happy reading, > > > > Chris > > > > Chris Nusbaum, President > > Maryland Association of Blind Students > > Board Member, National Association of Blind Students > > Phone: (443) 547-2409 > > Email: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com > > Twitter: @Chrisn98 and @nabslink > > > > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the > characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise > expectations for blind people, because low expectations create obstacles > between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; > blindness is not what holds you bak. > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kathrynwebster.nfb%40gmail.com From cape.amanda at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 17:51:05 2016 From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 13:51:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Nfb training centres Message-ID: Hello everyone, For those of you who have attended the NFB training centres recently, what were your experiences like and what was a typical day? Are there shorter programs than for 6-9 months? Was this kind of training more helpful than only relying on rehab centre resources? Thanks, Amanda From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 18:40:20 2016 From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 14:40:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Corrected Link to Scholarship Blog Post Message-ID: <014d01d1dc6c$d88fdaa0$89af8fe0$@gmail.com> http://nabslink.org/content/scholarship-spotlight-part-1-meet-some-our-2016- scholarship-class I apologize for the broken link in my last note. Chris Nusbaum, President Maryland Association of Blind Students Board Member, National Association of Blind Students Phone: (443) 547-2409 Email: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Twitter: @Chrisn98 and @nabslink The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise expectations for blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you bak. From jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 18:56:34 2016 From: jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com (Jason Polansky) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 14:56:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] blindsquare vs seeing eye gps In-Reply-To: <021401d1dc36$cefc21f0$6cf465d0$@gmail.com> References: <5781169a.840e420a.37269.ffffd552@mx.google.com> <021401d1dc36$cefc21f0$6cf465d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <62DC3316-922C-495B-BA0F-93C42080EEB2@gmail.com> I have the seeing eye gps, but have not used blindsquare. I bought seeing eye for $130 for 3 years, about 6 months after it first came out. I don't like how it takes a while to load, but I like how it tells me the upcoming street as I'm walking. When I'm inside a building or in an downtown area with a lot of buildings around, sometimes it does not retrieve my accurate location right away. For some reason, I think it works better when wi-fi and bluetooth are turned on, even when I'm not connected to a wireless network or bluetooth device. The problem with blindsquare is that foursquare pois are not always accurate, but they often times pretty accurate in large indoor locations, like malls and airports. Botton line, you can not depend or rely on the accuracy of a gps app all the time, and good cane skills, orientation, and people skills for retrieving information are still essential to have, and I don't think I would recommend using a gps until theese skills are developed. It's just like the importance of a sighted driver obeying the rules of the road and knowing how to drive safely. A gps won't tell a blind traveler when to cross the street, and it won't tell a sighted driver when to stop at a red light. APH is coming out with an app called narby explorer within the next six months or so I believe. From my understanding, it's going to be a one time $100 purchase, and it's going to kind of combine blindsquare and seeing eye. > On Jul 12, 2016, at 8:13 AM, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: > > Does blind squared have turn by turn directions? > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brice via NABS-L > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 12:05 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Brice > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blindsquare vs seeing eye gps > > IMO, The Seeing Eye GPS has two advantages: intersection analysis and Google Places integration. BlindSquare only pulls data from Foursquare, and BlindSquare does not give detailed information about intersections. > > But BlindSquare offers plenty of advantages, too. You can create and manage favorites. You can simulate locations and virtually explore an area anywhere in the world that Foursquare and Open Street Maps has data. There’s a handy “sleep” button in the lower right corner. You can set an Uber directly from the app. These are just a few of many features that make BlindSquare a joy to use, and demonstrate how committed the developer is to user requests and feedback. > > I didn’t include turn-by-turn directions as an advantage for The Seeing Eye. Why? I find that the directions are often unreliable, and the app has no traffic information or rerouting whatsoever. > > I like that BlindSquare integrates with Google and Apple Maps because Google and Apple maps are quickly becoming the gold standard in GPS for everyone, everywhere. Google Maps is spot on with ETAs and traffic data, and Apple Maps has several built-in accessibility features. You can explore the layout of streets with your finger, turn tracking on and hear upcoming intersections and points of interest, and swipe and hear your current location which continuously updates. Google and especially Apple maps will do in a pinch if someone can't pay for BlindSquare or The Seeing Eye. > > So, you decide: do the advantages of The Seeing Eye app justify purchase? > > > >> On 7/11/16, Joe Orozco via NABS-L wrote: >> Hi, I hadn't really seen anyone speak up in favor of the Seeing Eye >> GPS app. That kind of bums me out, because I was hoping someone could >> justify the cost. Honestly, I feel like the only blind guy who missed >> the memo on the wow factor with BlindSquare. I find the app more >> annoying than helpful and fully confess this could be user idiocy. >> Like, I just want the damn thing to tell me the next cross street. I >> would like it to give some sort of audible indication when I'm >> pointing the phone in the right direction of my intended destination >> as is true of apps like WhereTo and Ariadne. As things stand, I get >> more information than I need, and even after configuring the settings >> to what I think I want, I feel as though the app picks and chooses >> when to actually be helpful. Again, this could just be me being a >> moron, so if any current users have suggestions on how to make the app >> more beneficial, I'd love to hear from you. The Seeing Eye app seems >> more streamlined, but I hesitate to throw down seventy on what I can >> currently accomplish with two apps. Still, I'm willing to be persuaded >> if for no other reason than to keep things straighter in my navigation >> needs. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Joe >> >> >>> On 7/9/16, petras via NABS-L wrote: >>> Hi, I've been interested in buying the Blind square app, but I would >>> like to know the difference between both apps. Which one is better? >>> I had jaws training almost a month ago and discussed about the app. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail. >>> com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brice.smith319%40g >> mail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jpolansky.nfb%40gmail.com From alpineimagination at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 19:15:19 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 12:15:19 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Nfb training centres Message-ID: <578541d1.eb78420a.542a8.ffffacb0@mx.google.com> Hi Amanda, I just graduated from the Louisiana Center for the Blind, a 6 to 9-month program. I went for the full 9 months. There are lots of training centers all over the US, but the top ones, Blind Inc., and the Colorado and Louisiana Centers for the Blind, are NFB sponsored. There are probably some that do go for shorter. You need to look at which center best fits you. You should also consider where you live. I live in California, so to get to Louisiana I had to tour the three California centers to prove that these were not the ones I wanted to go to. I also had to write a justification letter. At LCB, a typical day is from 8 to 5. I would leave the apartments anywhere between 7 and 7 30. We go all day except for our hour lunch break and two ten-minute breaks. After 5 you can do what you want, but there are certain activities you can do afterwards, like computer lab, excersize class and sometimes chapter meetings. Hope this helps. Everyone's experience is different, so hopefully you will be hearing a lot more of them. Vejas ----- Original Message ----- From: Amanda via NABS-L Also to add, while most of NFB training lasts 6 to 9 months, there are certain exceptions. There was a student in training with me who was studying for a GED and went for almost 10, and immersion students lasted 3 months. It also depends on how little or how much your rehab is willing to pay. Vejas ----- Original Message ----- From: Amanda via NABS-L Hello, friends! I am going to be away for a month, and won't be able to check my e-mails too often. So, I am wondering if there is a way to temporarily unsubscribe from the NABS list. Thank you! Kennedy From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 19:44:34 2016 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 15:44:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A Few Dropbox Questions In-Reply-To: References: <5781756b.25eb420a.756b5.fffff7d7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I suppose if you really wanted to access your dropbox folder with the Apex you could connect the two through bluetooth, but that's the best possible solution I can think of. You could still transfer files from the Apex to dropbox, but you might have to do it in a convoluted way like emailing it to the account on your IPhone and then saving it to dropbox once your bluetooth connection is turned on. Hopefully, although it is not ideal, that is a potential fix for you. On 7/10/16, Katie Wang via NABS-L wrote: > Hi Vejas, > > Unfortunately, the Apex does not work with Dropbox. Braille Sense > should support Dropbox though, and so will the note-takers we have > been discussing on the other thread. > > Katie > > > On 7/9/16, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L wrote: >> Hi, Vejas, >> >> I believe swiping up/down with one finger on the item you're trying to >> delete should give you that option, just like when you're deleting an >> email or something else. Sorry I can't answer your question about the >> Apex as I'm a Sense user, but I hope this solves the IPhone half of >> the issue for you. >> >> On 7/9/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> I had a few questions about Dropbox. >>> Firstly, I would like to know how you can delete folders and >>> files on the IPhone app. I found a more actions menu, which >>> gives the option of creating another folder, but could not find a >>> way to delete anything. >>> I would also like to know, for these of you who are Braille note >>> Apex users, have you had any luck with Dropbox? >>> Thanks, >>> Vejas >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Kaiti Shelton >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti Shelton From dandrews at visi.com Tue Jul 12 19:49:13 2016 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 14:49:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Temporarily unsubscribing from NABS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You can put your subscription on hold, just go to your personal options link which is at bottom of each message. Dave At 02:33 PM 7/12/2016, you wrote: >Hello, friends! > >I am going to be away for a month, and won't be able to check my e-mails >too often. So, I am wondering if there is a way to temporarily unsubscribe >from the NABS list. > >Thank you! >Kennedy From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 19:50:30 2016 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 15:50:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Temporarily unsubscribing from NABS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Yes, you can turn mail delivery off without subscribing. The way I found it was to log into the subscription list for the nabs list, click on my email address to go to my subscriptions page, and there is an option below the "Your NABS-L subscription options" section. It is the first option you're presented with, and it will also give you information on how to turn off mail delivery from all the nfbnet mailing lists if you want to do that for a while. You should be able to globally turn it back on again when you're ready to get emails again. HTH. On 7/12/16, STOMBERG, KENNEDY via NABS-L wrote: > Hello, friends! > > I am going to be away for a month, and won't be able to check my e-mails > too often. So, I am wondering if there is a way to temporarily unsubscribe > from the NABS list. > > Thank you! > Kennedy > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti Shelton From alpineimagination at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 20:28:13 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 13:28:13 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] A Few Dropbox Questions Message-ID: <578552e8.8e41240a.7dd6a.3748@mx.google.com> Thanks. I really wasn't expecting much from the Apex because of its software so I'm not that surprised. Using Blueetooth seems to work well. I was also able to delete the files and folders I didn't want. One more question, how do you save an email into Dropbox with the IPhone? This is something that I would really like to be able to do. Vejas ----- Original Message ----- From: Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L wrote: Hi Vejas, Unfortunately, the Apex does not work with Dropbox. Braille Sense should support Dropbox though, and so will the note-takers we have been discussing on the other thread. Katie On 7/9/16, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L wrote: Hi, Vejas, I believe swiping up/down with one finger on the item you're trying to delete should give you that option, just like when you're deleting an email or something else. Sorry I can't answer your question about the Apex as I'm a Sense user, but I hope this solves the IPhone half of the issue for you. On 7/9/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: Hi All, I had a few questions about Dropbox. Firstly, I would like to know how you can delete folders and files on the IPhone app. I found a more actions menu, which gives the option of creating another folder, but could not find a way to delete anything. I would also like to know, for these of you who are Braille note Apex users, have you had any luck with Dropbox? Thanks, Vejas _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine t104%40gmail.com -- Kaiti Shelton _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%4 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine t104%40gmail.com -- Kaiti Shelton _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina tion%40gmail.com From cape.amanda at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 21:06:05 2016 From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 17:06:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Nfb training centres In-Reply-To: <57854275.0744620a.ecbee.ffffcd1c@mx.google.com> References: <57854275.0744620a.ecbee.ffffcd1c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I live in Montreal, Canada. What did you do between 8:00 and 5:00? Thanks, Amanda > On Jul 12, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: > > Also to add, while most of NFB training lasts 6 to 9 months, there are certain exceptions. There was a student in training with me who was studying for a GED and went for almost 10, and immersion students lasted 3 months. It also depends on how little or how much your rehab is willing to pay. > Vejas > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Amanda via NABS-L To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 13:51:05 -0400 > Subject: [nabs-l] Nfb training centres > > > > Hello everyone, > For those of you who have attended the NFB training centres recently, what were your experiences like and what was a typical day? Are there shorter programs than for 6-9 months? Was this kind of training more helpful than only relying on rehab centre resources? > Thanks, > Amanda > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina > tion%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com From alpineimagination at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 21:14:37 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 14:14:37 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Career Aptitude Tests Message-ID: <57855dc8.1159620a.3792.ffffdfa1@mx.google.com> Hi All, I know this isn't completely blindness-related, but I would like to know if anyone knows of any good-quality and accessible career aptitude tests. I know that you can just type it into Google, and I have taken a test in this way, but was wondering if anyone knew of good recommendations. When I enter college next month, I will get support from my career center, but I want to do a little exploration on my own first. The career aptitude test that I already took wasn't very accurate, and the results did not fully match the questions asked. Thanks, Vejas From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 22:16:07 2016 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (sophie trist) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 17:16:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Nfb training centres In-Reply-To: References: <57854275.0744620a.ecbee.ffffcd1c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <611CC7CB-4B3A-4DB0-BEC1-927BB670B29F@gmail.com> Amanda, I'm another recent LCB graduate. There are five classes: braille, technology, travel, home ec, and industrial arts. Braille and technology were combined in a 2-hour block, while every other class was two hours. All students with any sight are required to wear sleepshades. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 12, 2016, at 4:06 PM, Amanda via NABS-L wrote: > > I live in Montreal, Canada. What did you do between 8:00 and 5:00? > Thanks, > > Amanda > >> On Jul 12, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Also to add, while most of NFB training lasts 6 to 9 months, there are certain exceptions. There was a student in training with me who was studying for a GED and went for almost 10, and immersion students lasted 3 months. It also depends on how little or how much your rehab is willing to pay. >> Vejas >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Amanda via NABS-L > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Date sent: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 13:51:05 -0400 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Nfb training centres >> >> >> >> Hello everyone, >> For those of you who have attended the NFB training centres recently, what were your experiences like and what was a typical day? Are there shorter programs than for 6-9 months? Was this kind of training more helpful than only relying on rehab centre resources? >> Thanks, >> Amanda >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina >> tion%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareader%40gmail.com From kmaent1 at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 22:44:36 2016 From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 18:44:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A Few Dropbox Questions Message-ID: <578572e7.c2f00d0a.e1fee.2f27@mx.google.com> The problem with Dropbox and the Apex is actually dropboxes fault. You need to do a visual capcha to sign into Dropbox with a computer, and the Apex can't do that. So I had the Dropbox app on my phone, which is accessible, and would e-mail myself files from my Apex and use my phone to upload them. The Apex can actually download files from Dropbox if you have a link just not sign in to your account. SO I would do the share file by e-mail and then open the e-mail on my Apex and use the link to download the file. This is all as of a bit over a year ago the last time I messed with Dropbox, so things might have changed by now. Best, Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L wrote: Hi Vejas, Unfortunately, the Apex does not work with Dropbox. Braille Sense should support Dropbox though, and so will the note-takers we have been discussing on the other thread. Katie On 7/9/16, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L wrote: Hi, Vejas, I believe swiping up/down with one finger on the item you're trying to delete should give you that option, just like when you're deleting an email or something else. Sorry I can't answer your question about the Apex as I'm a Sense user, but I hope this solves the IPhone half of the issue for you. On 7/9/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: Hi All, I had a few questions about Dropbox. Firstly, I would like to know how you can delete folders and files on the IPhone app. I found a more actions menu, which gives the option of creating another folder, but could not find a way to delete anything. I would also like to know, for these of you who are Braille note Apex users, have you had any luck with Dropbox? Thanks, Vejas _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine t104%40gmail.com -- Kaiti Shelton _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%4 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine t104%40gmail.com -- Kaiti Shelton _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma il.com From alpineimagination at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 23:20:43 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:20:43 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] A Few Dropbox Questions Message-ID: <57857b56.4229620a.e91cb.0dc9@mx.google.com> That's interesting that there's a capcha to sign in every time. It wasn't very obvious. My issue was that the sign-in button just wouldn't work, the bt sign would just stay there, it wouldn't click. Thanks. Vejas ----- Original Message ----- From: Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L wrote: Hi Vejas, Unfortunately, the Apex does not work with Dropbox. Braille Sense should support Dropbox though, and so will the note-takers we have been discussing on the other thread. Katie On 7/9/16, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L wrote: Hi, Vejas, I believe swiping up/down with one finger on the item you're trying to delete should give you that option, just like when you're deleting an email or something else. Sorry I can't answer your question about the Apex as I'm a Sense user, but I hope this solves the IPhone half of the issue for you. On 7/9/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L I think once you do it once your computer is registered so you don't have to again, but with the Apex you can't do it the first time, so... ----- Original Message ----- From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: Hi Vejas, Unfortunately, the Apex does not work with Dropbox. Braille Sense should support Dropbox though, and so will the note-takers we have been discussing on the other thread. Katie On 7/9/16, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L wrote: Hi, Vejas, I believe swiping up/down with one finger on the item you're trying to delete should give you that option, just like when you're deleting an email or something else. Sorry I can't answer your question about the Apex as I'm a Sense user, but I hope this solves the IPhone half of the issue for you. On 7/9/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L References: <578583b4.46e60d0a.c1a6a.ffff93ca@mx.google.com> Message-ID: You can also access your dropBox via the web. So if you establish an account, you might get at it that way. \ Dave At 06:56 PM 7/12/2016, you wrote: >I think once you do it once your computer is registered so you don't >have to again, but with the Apex you can't do it the first time, so... > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing listDate sent: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:20:43 -0700 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Few Dropbox Questions > >That's interesting that there's a capcha to sign in every time. >It wasn't very obvious. My issue was that the sign-in button >just wouldn't work, the bt sign would just stay there, it >wouldn't click. >Thanks. >Vejas > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >listDate sent: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 18:44:36 -0400 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Few Dropbox Questions > >The problem with Dropbox and the Apex is actually dropboxes >fault. You need to do a visual capcha to sign into Dropbox with >a computer, and the Apex can't do that. So I had the Dropbox app >on my phone, which is accessible, and would e-mail myself files >from my Apex and use my phone to upload them. The Apex can >actually download files from Dropbox if you have a link just not >sign in to your account. SO I would do the share file by e-mail >and then open the e-mail on my Apex and use the link to download >the file. This is all as of a bit over a year ago the last time >I messed with Dropbox, so things might have changed by now. > >Best, >Karl >----- Original Message ----- >From: Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Date sent: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 15:44:34 -0400 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Few Dropbox Questions > >I suppose if you really wanted to access your dropbox folder with >the >Apex you could connect the two through bluetooth, but that's the >best >possible solution I can think of. You could still transfer files >from >the Apex to dropbox, but you might have to do it in a convoluted >way >like emailing it to the account on your IPhone and then saving it >to >dropbox once your bluetooth connection is turned on. Hopefully, >although it is not ideal, that is a potential fix for you. > >On 7/10/16, Katie Wang via NABS-L wrote: >Hi Vejas, > >Unfortunately, the Apex does not work with Dropbox. Braille >Sense >should support Dropbox though, and so will the note-takers we >have >been discussing on the other thread. > >Katie > > >On 7/9/16, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L wrote: >Hi, Vejas, > >I believe swiping up/down with one finger on the item you're >trying to >delete should give you that option, just like when you're >deleting an >email or something else. Sorry I can't answer your question >about the >Apex as I'm a Sense user, but I hope this solves the IPhone half >of >the issue for you. > >On 7/9/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: >Hi All, >I had a few questions about Dropbox. >Firstly, I would like to know how you can delete folders and >files on the IPhone app. I found a more actions menu, which >gives the option of creating another folder, but could not find >a >way to delete anything. >I would also like to know, for these of you who are Braille note >Apex users, have you had any luck with Dropbox? >Thanks, >Vejas > >_______________________________________________ >NABS-L mailing list >NABS-L at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >info for >NABS-L: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine >t104%40gmail.com > > > >-- >Kaiti Shelton > >_______________________________________________ >NABS-L mailing list >NABS-L at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >info for >NABS-L: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%4 >0gmail.com > > >_______________________________________________ >NABS-L mailing list >NABS-L at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >info for >NABS-L: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine >t104%40gmail.com > > > >-- >Kaiti Shelton From kaybaycar at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 02:43:23 2016 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 22:43:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A Few Dropbox Questions In-Reply-To: <578583b4.46e60d0a.c1a6a.ffff93ca@mx.google.com> References: <578583b4.46e60d0a.c1a6a.ffff93ca@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I logged into dropbox from a new computer just the other day, and there was no visual capcha to be seen. :) The buttons could have been unlabeled though... I don't think they were, however, I did notice a lot of unlabeled links and things on the website. No Dropbox app for the Braille Note though. On 7/12/16, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L wrote: > I think once you do it once your computer is registered so you > don't have to again, but with the Apex you can't do it the first > time, so... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:20:43 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Few Dropbox Questions > > That's interesting that there's a capcha to sign in every time. > It wasn't very obvious. My issue was that the sign-in button > just wouldn't work, the bt sign would just stay there, it > wouldn't click. > Thanks. > Vejas > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 18:44:36 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Few Dropbox Questions > > The problem with Dropbox and the Apex is actually dropboxes > fault. You need to do a visual capcha to sign into Dropbox with > a computer, and the Apex can't do that. So I had the Dropbox app > on my phone, which is accessible, and would e-mail myself files > from my Apex and use my phone to upload them. The Apex can > actually download files from Dropbox if you have a link just not > sign in to your account. SO I would do the share file by e-mail > and then open the e-mail on my Apex and use the link to download > the file. This is all as of a bit over a year ago the last time > I messed with Dropbox, so things might have changed by now. > > Best, > Karl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 15:44:34 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Few Dropbox Questions > > I suppose if you really wanted to access your dropbox folder with > the > Apex you could connect the two through bluetooth, but that's the > best > possible solution I can think of. You could still transfer files > from > the Apex to dropbox, but you might have to do it in a convoluted > way > like emailing it to the account on your IPhone and then saving it > to > dropbox once your bluetooth connection is turned on. Hopefully, > although it is not ideal, that is a potential fix for you. > > On 7/10/16, Katie Wang via NABS-L wrote: > Hi Vejas, > > Unfortunately, the Apex does not work with Dropbox. Braille > Sense > should support Dropbox though, and so will the note-takers we > have > been discussing on the other thread. > > Katie > > > On 7/9/16, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L wrote: > Hi, Vejas, > > I believe swiping up/down with one finger on the item you're > trying to > delete should give you that option, just like when you're > deleting an > email or something else. Sorry I can't answer your question > about the > Apex as I'm a Sense user, but I hope this solves the IPhone half > of > the issue for you. > > On 7/9/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: > Hi All, > I had a few questions about Dropbox. > Firstly, I would like to know how you can delete folders and > files on the IPhone app. I found a more actions menu, which > gives the option of creating another folder, but could not find > a > way to delete anything. > I would also like to know, for these of you who are Braille note > Apex users, have you had any luck with Dropbox? > Thanks, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine > t104%40gmail.com > > > > -- > Kaiti Shelton > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%4 > 0gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine > t104%40gmail.com > > > > -- > Kaiti Shelton > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina > tion%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie A. McGinnity President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division, Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri "For we walk by faith, not by sight" 2 Cor. 7 From kaybaycar at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 02:43:23 2016 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 22:43:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A Few Dropbox Questions In-Reply-To: <578583b4.46e60d0a.c1a6a.ffff93ca@mx.google.com> References: <578583b4.46e60d0a.c1a6a.ffff93ca@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I logged into dropbox from a new computer just the other day, and there was no visual capcha to be seen. :) The buttons could have been unlabeled though... I don't think they were, however, I did notice a lot of unlabeled links and things on the website. No Dropbox app for the Braille Note though. On 7/12/16, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L wrote: > I think once you do it once your computer is registered so you > don't have to again, but with the Apex you can't do it the first > time, so... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:20:43 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Few Dropbox Questions > > That's interesting that there's a capcha to sign in every time. > It wasn't very obvious. My issue was that the sign-in button > just wouldn't work, the bt sign would just stay there, it > wouldn't click. > Thanks. > Vejas > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 18:44:36 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Few Dropbox Questions > > The problem with Dropbox and the Apex is actually dropboxes > fault. You need to do a visual capcha to sign into Dropbox with > a computer, and the Apex can't do that. So I had the Dropbox app > on my phone, which is accessible, and would e-mail myself files > from my Apex and use my phone to upload them. The Apex can > actually download files from Dropbox if you have a link just not > sign in to your account. SO I would do the share file by e-mail > and then open the e-mail on my Apex and use the link to download > the file. This is all as of a bit over a year ago the last time > I messed with Dropbox, so things might have changed by now. > > Best, > Karl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 15:44:34 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Few Dropbox Questions > > I suppose if you really wanted to access your dropbox folder with > the > Apex you could connect the two through bluetooth, but that's the > best > possible solution I can think of. You could still transfer files > from > the Apex to dropbox, but you might have to do it in a convoluted > way > like emailing it to the account on your IPhone and then saving it > to > dropbox once your bluetooth connection is turned on. Hopefully, > although it is not ideal, that is a potential fix for you. > > On 7/10/16, Katie Wang via NABS-L wrote: > Hi Vejas, > > Unfortunately, the Apex does not work with Dropbox. Braille > Sense > should support Dropbox though, and so will the note-takers we > have > been discussing on the other thread. > > Katie > > > On 7/9/16, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L wrote: > Hi, Vejas, > > I believe swiping up/down with one finger on the item you're > trying to > delete should give you that option, just like when you're > deleting an > email or something else. Sorry I can't answer your question > about the > Apex as I'm a Sense user, but I hope this solves the IPhone half > of > the issue for you. > > On 7/9/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: > Hi All, > I had a few questions about Dropbox. > Firstly, I would like to know how you can delete folders and > files on the IPhone app. I found a more actions menu, which > gives the option of creating another folder, but could not find > a > way to delete anything. > I would also like to know, for these of you who are Braille note > Apex users, have you had any luck with Dropbox? > Thanks, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine > t104%40gmail.com > > > > -- > Kaiti Shelton > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%4 > 0gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine > t104%40gmail.com > > > > -- > Kaiti Shelton > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina > tion%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie A. McGinnity President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division, Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri "For we walk by faith, not by sight" 2 Cor. 7 From kaybaycar at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 02:43:30 2016 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 22:43:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A Few Dropbox Questions In-Reply-To: <578583b4.46e60d0a.c1a6a.ffff93ca@mx.google.com> References: <578583b4.46e60d0a.c1a6a.ffff93ca@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I logged into dropbox from a new computer just the other day, and there was no visual capcha to be seen. :) The buttons could have been unlabeled though... I don't think they were, however, I did notice a lot of unlabeled links and things on the website. No Dropbox app for the Braille Note though. On 7/12/16, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L wrote: > I think once you do it once your computer is registered so you > don't have to again, but with the Apex you can't do it the first > time, so... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:20:43 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Few Dropbox Questions > > That's interesting that there's a capcha to sign in every time. > It wasn't very obvious. My issue was that the sign-in button > just wouldn't work, the bt sign would just stay there, it > wouldn't click. > Thanks. > Vejas > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 18:44:36 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Few Dropbox Questions > > The problem with Dropbox and the Apex is actually dropboxes > fault. You need to do a visual capcha to sign into Dropbox with > a computer, and the Apex can't do that. So I had the Dropbox app > on my phone, which is accessible, and would e-mail myself files > from my Apex and use my phone to upload them. The Apex can > actually download files from Dropbox if you have a link just not > sign in to your account. SO I would do the share file by e-mail > and then open the e-mail on my Apex and use the link to download > the file. This is all as of a bit over a year ago the last time > I messed with Dropbox, so things might have changed by now. > > Best, > Karl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 15:44:34 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Few Dropbox Questions > > I suppose if you really wanted to access your dropbox folder with > the > Apex you could connect the two through bluetooth, but that's the > best > possible solution I can think of. You could still transfer files > from > the Apex to dropbox, but you might have to do it in a convoluted > way > like emailing it to the account on your IPhone and then saving it > to > dropbox once your bluetooth connection is turned on. Hopefully, > although it is not ideal, that is a potential fix for you. > > On 7/10/16, Katie Wang via NABS-L wrote: > Hi Vejas, > > Unfortunately, the Apex does not work with Dropbox. Braille > Sense > should support Dropbox though, and so will the note-takers we > have > been discussing on the other thread. > > Katie > > > On 7/9/16, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L wrote: > Hi, Vejas, > > I believe swiping up/down with one finger on the item you're > trying to > delete should give you that option, just like when you're > deleting an > email or something else. Sorry I can't answer your question > about the > Apex as I'm a Sense user, but I hope this solves the IPhone half > of > the issue for you. > > On 7/9/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: > Hi All, > I had a few questions about Dropbox. > Firstly, I would like to know how you can delete folders and > files on the IPhone app. I found a more actions menu, which > gives the option of creating another folder, but could not find > a > way to delete anything. > I would also like to know, for these of you who are Braille note > Apex users, have you had any luck with Dropbox? > Thanks, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine > t104%40gmail.com > > > > -- > Kaiti Shelton > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%4 > 0gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine > t104%40gmail.com > > > > -- > Kaiti Shelton > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina > tion%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie A. McGinnity President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division, Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri "For we walk by faith, not by sight" 2 Cor. 7 From kaybaycar at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 02:43:35 2016 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 22:43:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A Few Dropbox Questions In-Reply-To: <578583b4.46e60d0a.c1a6a.ffff93ca@mx.google.com> References: <578583b4.46e60d0a.c1a6a.ffff93ca@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I logged into dropbox from a new computer just the other day, and there was no visual capcha to be seen. :) The buttons could have been unlabeled though... I don't think they were, however, I did notice a lot of unlabeled links and things on the website. No Dropbox app for the Braille Note though. On 7/12/16, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L wrote: > I think once you do it once your computer is registered so you > don't have to again, but with the Apex you can't do it the first > time, so... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:20:43 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Few Dropbox Questions > > That's interesting that there's a capcha to sign in every time. > It wasn't very obvious. My issue was that the sign-in button > just wouldn't work, the bt sign would just stay there, it > wouldn't click. > Thanks. > Vejas > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 18:44:36 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Few Dropbox Questions > > The problem with Dropbox and the Apex is actually dropboxes > fault. You need to do a visual capcha to sign into Dropbox with > a computer, and the Apex can't do that. So I had the Dropbox app > on my phone, which is accessible, and would e-mail myself files > from my Apex and use my phone to upload them. The Apex can > actually download files from Dropbox if you have a link just not > sign in to your account. SO I would do the share file by e-mail > and then open the e-mail on my Apex and use the link to download > the file. This is all as of a bit over a year ago the last time > I messed with Dropbox, so things might have changed by now. > > Best, > Karl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 15:44:34 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Few Dropbox Questions > > I suppose if you really wanted to access your dropbox folder with > the > Apex you could connect the two through bluetooth, but that's the > best > possible solution I can think of. You could still transfer files > from > the Apex to dropbox, but you might have to do it in a convoluted > way > like emailing it to the account on your IPhone and then saving it > to > dropbox once your bluetooth connection is turned on. Hopefully, > although it is not ideal, that is a potential fix for you. > > On 7/10/16, Katie Wang via NABS-L wrote: > Hi Vejas, > > Unfortunately, the Apex does not work with Dropbox. Braille > Sense > should support Dropbox though, and so will the note-takers we > have > been discussing on the other thread. > > Katie > > > On 7/9/16, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L wrote: > Hi, Vejas, > > I believe swiping up/down with one finger on the item you're > trying to > delete should give you that option, just like when you're > deleting an > email or something else. Sorry I can't answer your question > about the > Apex as I'm a Sense user, but I hope this solves the IPhone half > of > the issue for you. > > On 7/9/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: > Hi All, > I had a few questions about Dropbox. > Firstly, I would like to know how you can delete folders and > files on the IPhone app. I found a more actions menu, which > gives the option of creating another folder, but could not find > a > way to delete anything. > I would also like to know, for these of you who are Braille note > Apex users, have you had any luck with Dropbox? > Thanks, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine > t104%40gmail.com > > > > -- > Kaiti Shelton > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%4 > 0gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine > t104%40gmail.com > > > > -- > Kaiti Shelton > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina > tion%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie A. McGinnity President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division, Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri "For we walk by faith, not by sight" 2 Cor. 7 From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 05:08:14 2016 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 01:08:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A Few Dropbox Questions In-Reply-To: References: <578583b4.46e60d0a.c1a6a.ffff93ca@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Side note, I really am interested to play around with dropbox on the BrailleSense. I do a ton of my work and communicating through my phone and laptop so I've never had the need to use my BrailleSense for dropbox, but now I'm curious to see how Hims worked around the visual captia that may or may not be there for some people now. I know I have a software update patch to install tomorrow so that will be fun to play with. Glad to hear you were able to find a solution. On 7/12/16, Julie McGinnity via NABS-L wrote: > I logged into dropbox from a new computer just the other day, and > there was no visual capcha to be seen. :) The buttons could have > been unlabeled though... I don't think they were, however, I did > notice a lot of unlabeled links and things on the website. No Dropbox > app for the Braille Note though. > > > On 7/12/16, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L wrote: >> I think once you do it once your computer is registered so you >> don't have to again, but with the Apex you can't do it the first >> time, so... >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list> Date sent: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:20:43 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Few Dropbox Questions >> >> That's interesting that there's a capcha to sign in every time. >> It wasn't very obvious. My issue was that the sign-in button >> just wouldn't work, the bt sign would just stay there, it >> wouldn't click. >> Thanks. >> Vejas >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list> Date sent: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 18:44:36 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Few Dropbox Questions >> >> The problem with Dropbox and the Apex is actually dropboxes >> fault. You need to do a visual capcha to sign into Dropbox with >> a computer, and the Apex can't do that. So I had the Dropbox app >> on my phone, which is accessible, and would e-mail myself files >> from my Apex and use my phone to upload them. The Apex can >> actually download files from Dropbox if you have a link just not >> sign in to your account. SO I would do the share file by e-mail >> and then open the e-mail on my Apex and use the link to download >> the file. This is all as of a bit over a year ago the last time >> I messed with Dropbox, so things might have changed by now. >> >> Best, >> Karl >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 15:44:34 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Few Dropbox Questions >> >> I suppose if you really wanted to access your dropbox folder with >> the >> Apex you could connect the two through bluetooth, but that's the >> best >> possible solution I can think of. You could still transfer files >> from >> the Apex to dropbox, but you might have to do it in a convoluted >> way >> like emailing it to the account on your IPhone and then saving it >> to >> dropbox once your bluetooth connection is turned on. Hopefully, >> although it is not ideal, that is a potential fix for you. >> >> On 7/10/16, Katie Wang via NABS-L wrote: >> Hi Vejas, >> >> Unfortunately, the Apex does not work with Dropbox. Braille >> Sense >> should support Dropbox though, and so will the note-takers we >> have >> been discussing on the other thread. >> >> Katie >> >> >> On 7/9/16, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L wrote: >> Hi, Vejas, >> >> I believe swiping up/down with one finger on the item you're >> trying to >> delete should give you that option, just like when you're >> deleting an >> email or something else. Sorry I can't answer your question >> about the >> Apex as I'm a Sense user, but I hope this solves the IPhone half >> of >> the issue for you. >> >> On 7/9/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L > wrote: >> Hi All, >> I had a few questions about Dropbox. >> Firstly, I would like to know how you can delete folders and >> files on the IPhone app. I found a more actions menu, which >> gives the option of creating another folder, but could not find >> a >> way to delete anything. >> I would also like to know, for these of you who are Braille note >> Apex users, have you had any luck with Dropbox? >> Thanks, >> Vejas >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> NABS-L: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine >> t104%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Kaiti Shelton >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> NABS-L: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%4 >> 0gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> NABS-L: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine >> t104%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Kaiti Shelton >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma >> il.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina >> tion%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma >> il.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Julie A. McGinnity > President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division, > Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri > "For we walk by faith, not by sight" > 2 Cor. 7 > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti Shelton From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 05:35:43 2016 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 01:35:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Part time/campus jobs Message-ID: Hi all, I'm wondering if some of you who have done work study programs at your universities could weigh in on this. Being just 13 credits shy of earning my degree, I'll be a part time student this year. I'd like to find a part time job on campus and do qualify for work study, but there are also a lot of businesses within walking distance or a short bus ride of campus that I could get to. My issue is that I'm having difficulty finding something that I think I can do throughout the semester for a few hours each week that is accessible. I had a somewhat disastrous experience in my sophomore year with work study, where I was hired to work in the computer lab for my department and eventually was let go because due to an inaccessible main work station I wasn't doing anything beyond babysitting the place (while that was a big part of the job and the lab needed to be superfvised and cleaned regularly, I wasn't able to edit and catalog the audio and video files which are processed in the lab as well). A lot of the readily available jobs I'm seeing in the listings are in cafeteria food prep, and I'm slightly hesitant to apply for desk jobs because while I do have secretarial and receptionist experience it has only been at blindness agencies that made sure to supply braille extension lists and the like. I know work study is practice for the real world, and since I qualify for it I have just as much as a claim to a work study position as a sighted student would, but a lot of the jobs seem to be things that present with accessibility barriers that staff will not be invested in sorting out for a short-term student employee, and I'm not sure if battling them for it is really worth it if I can find something that doesn't require so much effort just to get my foot in the door. I'm also looking for something that goes all semester long; the telethon positions were an idea I was going to pursue, but they tend to have pique times of the semester and not do much else. I will say that my university has a wonderful disability services office who I know would help with accessibility where they can. In the last case there were legitimate reasons for the accessibility being an issue that was just beyond anyone's control, but both the DS office and the music department made a good effort to give me equal work opportunities before we saw how unreasonable that would be for a simple work study position. I also know what my rights are and how I should be equally treated, but going into my last few classes and prepping for my internship to follow, I really just don't want to fight a long and hard battle to get into a job to make maybe $50 extra each week. Maybe some would agree, but thinking ahead to my next steps after college, I'm just not all that invested in potentially fighting the good fight like I know I may have to do in the true employment arena. I'm wondering if anyone has experience or positive ideas of jobs that might be innately accessible or easily made accessible. I'd prefer campus jobs but I'm willing to look out in the community as well; I just know the majority of things like food prep and waitressing are probably going to be hard for me to score, as would be working in any type of store since products move and I can't read the packaging. Tutoring is something I've already considered, and if I can find a receptionist position that doesn't have a ton of print filing I could potentially do that. I know the dorms need desk workers and have a sign in sheet, but I might even be able to make the students fill out paperwork more than usual and accommodate that way. What worries me about that position is that the desk workers have to be a little vigilant for anything shady that goes on, and I'm worried that the potential for someone to take advantage of that would be very real and considered a liability. My other idea that I'm still thinking of is tour guide. I don't know if I'd get hired to do that one because they tend to go for the stereotypical campus pride type of kids, and although I don't make a bad poster child for my school I certainly am out of the norm. Still, I know my campus and all its little shortcuts very well and as long as I could get hired, I think I could do that. I'm still interested in hearing what has worked for others in case none of these leads pan out. Thanks in advance. From ligne14 at verizon.net Wed Jul 13 07:29:35 2016 From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 03:29:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Recording for the talent show and this year's NABS members Message-ID: <0OA800DFZSTSJ520@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> Hi all, I hope all your summers are going well. I was just wondering whether there is a link to this year's talent show at the NFB Convention. I would really love to hear the recording, because I've never attended Convention before and am a huge music nerd as well as a piano player myself. I know that it's been posted recently that David Dunphy was going to record it, but I haven't seen him post a link to the recording here. I'm also curious as to who are the new members in NABS? I know that the new President is Kathryn Webster, (I saw it in her new email signature,) but what about everyone else? No one's posted the results of this year's election either. I hope you guys can get bcak to me on these questions. Thanks and enjoy your summers, Sami Pdds. I'm really sorry for waking all of you up so early, but I'm in France right now visiting relatives and it's 93.30 AM here as I'm writing this email. :( From nabs.president at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 10:54:26 2016 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (NABS President) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 06:54:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] New year, new leadership; and we need your help! Message-ID: <037801d1dcf4$ed036a50$c70a3ef0$@gmail.com> NABS family, Happy Wednesday morning fellow students. For those of you who were in Orlando last week, I hope you are catching up on sleep after an incredible week at our National Convention! I am more than enthused to be serving each and every one of you for the next two years as President of the National Association of Blind Students, the proudest and greatest division within the National Federation of the Blind. I am grateful for the support I have received over the past few months, and am eager to embark on a journey with you as we improve the lives of blind students across our nation. In this role, I want to hear from you. I want to truly know your thoughts, concerns, and suggestions as we shape our objectives for the next few years. I would like to take this opportunity to welcome our new leaders. Below, you will find a list of the newly elected officers and board members, as well as which affiliates they will be serving as a state liaison to. To clarify, state liaisons are national student leaders who have the necessary tools to create, grow, and refine student divisions. If you are in a state and have no idea how to get involved in your local student division, we are here to help. If you have questions or simply want to brainstorm ideas with someone, our national student leaders are here to mentor you throughout. President: Kathryn Webster 1st Vice President: Bre Brown Alabama Louisiana Oklahoma South Carolina Vermont West Virginia Wyoming 2nd Vice President: Syed Rizvi Connecticut Florida Georgia Massachusetts North Carolina Puerto Rico Texas Treasurer: Luke Schwinck Illinois Indiana Kansas Montana New York Oregon Virginia Secretary: Michael Ausbun Alaska Idaho Kentucky Missouri Nebraska Nevada Tennessee Board Member 1: Vee Gaspa Delaware Iowa New Hampshire New Jersey New Mexico Wisconsin Board Member 2: Tarik Williams DC Maine Mississippi Pennsylvania Rhode Island Utah Board Member 3: Chris Nusbaum Colorado Hawaii Maryland Michigan Minnesota Washington Board Member 4: Bryan Duarte Arkansas Arizona California North Dakota Ohio South Dakota Congratulations to each of them! And, now, for where you come into play. The National Association of Blind Students has three committees this year, all of which need your help to be successful. I encourage you to consider joining one of our committees, based on your preferences, skill set, and interests. Please do reach out to the committee chairs, contact information listed below, in order to dive into the work of our movement. Fundraising Committee: Chair: Luke Schwinck (luke.schwinck at hotmail.com ) The most important part of any movement is funding that movement. Therefore, the Fundraising Committee of the National Association of Blind Students, a proud division of the National Federation of the Blind, is paramount to effecting positive change for blind students in our nation. This is illustrated by the majority of the NABS Board, beginning with their involvement on the Fundraising Committee. We are seeking passionate, creative, and hardworking students from all corners of the country to learn, and lead alongside President Kathryn Webster and the NABS board. Our vision for this year is to engage in a variety of ventures from grant writing to hosting local and national fundraising events, and everything in between. The majority of our committee’s work is creating, planning, and implementing events such as Monte Carlo Night at national convention and NABS Café at Washington Seminar, as well as making fundraising merchandise decisions. We are anxious to share with you our experience, and knowledge with the sincere hope that you will return the favor. This year on the fundraising committee you can expect to work hard and have a great time doing it! Legislative Committee: Chair: Michael Ausbun (mausbun at nevada.unr.edu) Have you ever found yourself in a class where the materials were inaccessible? Have you ever thought legislation, the political process, or advocating for equality, opportunity, and security for blind students is important? We need your help! The Legislative committee of the National Association of Blind Students is looking for volunteers! We work closely with the Governmental Affairs team at the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute, in order to facilitate the dialogue which leads to the development of equitable policy. We will be focusing on our national agendas from a student’s lens, and need your help doing so! Membership/Communications Committee: Chair: Bre Brown (bbrown at nfbtx.org) Are you interested in communicating with our membership, and facilitating personal and professional development? How about insuring students have access to resources to help them be successful? Join us! The Membership/Communications Committee of the National Association of Blind Students is looking for volunteers! Tasks include, though are not limited to, planning and participating in membership calls, writing and gathering blog posts, generating resources for student toolkits, development of regional student programs, and membership outreach. This is a newly formed committee, so it’s got a lot of reach to get your feet wet in something new and fun! Thank you in advance for your efforts and contributions for ensuring that blind students live the lives we want. Please reach out to me if you have any questions, want to chat, or have an idea you’d like to throw around. I am eager to hear from you! Best, Kathryn Webster President | national Association of Blind Students (203) 273-8463 Nabs.president at gmail.com From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 12:08:13 2016 From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 08:08:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Recording for the talent show and this year's NABS members In-Reply-To: <0OA800DFZSTSJ520@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0OA800DFZSTSJ520@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <29672EC8-D3B2-4B4B-8F0E-8C80D6BFC249@gmail.com> Hi Sami! Here's the downloadable link for the talent show: http://onj.me/pad2016 And I hope my overview message better lays out our new additions to the board. I'm glad you asked! Kathryn Kathryn Webster President, National Association of Blind Students (203) 273-8463 Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 13, 2016, at 3:29 AM, Sami Osborne via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi all, > > I hope all your summers are going well. I was just wondering whether there is a link to this year's talent show at the NFB Convention. I would really love to hear the recording, because I've never attended Convention before and am a huge music nerd as well as a piano player myself. I know that it's been posted recently that David Dunphy was going to record it, but I haven't seen him post a link to the recording here. > > I'm also curious as to who are the new members in NABS? I know that the new President is Kathryn Webster, (I saw it in her new email signature,) but what about everyone else? No one's posted the results of this year's election either. > > I hope you guys can get bcak to me on these questions. > > Thanks and enjoy your summers, > > Sami > > Pdds. I'm really sorry for waking all of you up so early, but I'm in France right now visiting relatives and it's 93.30 AM here as I'm writing this email. :( > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kathrynwebster.nfb%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 12:21:20 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 08:21:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Part time/campus jobs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006501d1dd01$10bc3290$323497b0$@gmail.com> I applaud your DS office, and your music department, but, that's when you would want to look outside of those places. I like Tour Guide, had a good feeling about that, and if you can get the Telephone position, that would give you some work during the semester. Could you Tutor younger college students in the music department; your department is familiar with you and might let you help. Could you work with one of the professors? Maybe something like a GA position, especially if you are going to attend the same college as a grad student? The tour guide is good because if you know the root, and then the shortcuts around it, you can do the tour jus like anyone else. You can tell the same stories, and give the same information if you time everything because you know the campus. My friend told me about a tour guide who was totally blind at a museum in New York. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 1:36 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Kaiti Shelton Subject: [nabs-l] Part time/campus jobs Hi all, I'm wondering if some of you who have done work study programs at your universities could weigh in on this. Being just 13 credits shy of earning my degree, I'll be a part time student this year. I'd like to find a part time job on campus and do qualify for work study, but there are also a lot of businesses within walking distance or a short bus ride of campus that I could get to. My issue is that I'm having difficulty finding something that I think I can do throughout the semester for a few hours each week that is accessible. I had a somewhat disastrous experience in my sophomore year with work study, where I was hired to work in the computer lab for my department and eventually was let go because due to an inaccessible main work station I wasn't doing anything beyond babysitting the place (while that was a big part of the job and the lab needed to be superfvised and cleaned regularly, I wasn't able to edit and catalog the audio and video files which are processed in the lab as well). A lot of the readily available jobs I'm seeing in the listings are in cafeteria food prep, and I'm slightly hesitant to apply for desk jobs because while I do have secretarial and receptionist experience it has only been at blindness agencies that made sure to supply braille extension lists and the like. I know work study is practice for the real world, and since I qualify for it I have just as much as a claim to a work study position as a sighted student would, but a lot of the jobs seem to be things that present with accessibility barriers that staff will not be invested in sorting out for a short-term student employee, and I'm not sure if battling them for it is really worth it if I can find something that doesn't require so much effort just to get my foot in the door. I'm also looking for something that goes all semester long; the telethon positions were an idea I was going to pursue, but they tend to have pique times of the semester and not do much else. I will say that my university has a wonderful disability services office who I know would help with accessibility where they can. In the last case there were legitimate reasons for the accessibility being an issue that was just beyond anyone's control, but both the DS office and the music department made a good effort to give me equal work opportunities before we saw how unreasonable that would be for a simple work study position. I also know what my rights are and how I should be equally treated, but going into my last few classes and prepping for my internship to follow, I really just don't want to fight a long and hard battle to get into a job to make maybe $50 extra each week. Maybe some would agree, but thinking ahead to my next steps after college, I'm just not all that invested in potentially fighting the good fight like I know I may have to do in the true employment arena. I'm wondering if anyone has experience or positive ideas of jobs that might be innately accessible or easily made accessible. I'd prefer campus jobs but I'm willing to look out in the community as well; I just know the majority of things like food prep and waitressing are probably going to be hard for me to score, as would be working in any type of store since products move and I can't read the packaging. Tutoring is something I've already considered, and if I can find a receptionist position that doesn't have a ton of print filing I could potentially do that. I know the dorms need desk workers and have a sign in sheet, but I might even be able to make the students fill out paperwork more than usual and accommodate that way. What worries me about that position is that the desk workers have to be a little vigilant for anything shady that goes on, and I'm worried that the potential for someone to take advantage of that would be very real and considered a liability. My other idea that I'm still thinking of is tour guide. I don't know if I'd get hired to do that one because they tend to go for the stereotypical campus pride type of kids, and although I don't make a bad poster child for my school I certainly am out of the norm. Still, I know my campus and all its little shortcuts very well and as long as I could get hired, I think I could do that. I'm still interested in hearing what has worked for others in case none of these leads pan out. Thanks in advance. _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu Wed Jul 13 12:43:41 2016 From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 08:43:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Part time/campus jobs In-Reply-To: <006501d1dd01$10bc3290$323497b0$@gmail.com> References: <006501d1dd01$10bc3290$323497b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <32FBD22F-09DD-4CDD-9AD6-89EC15A552FF@houghton.edu> Definitely look into the phone position. My school has a couple of different opportunities, one is calling alumni and other donors and the others call prospective students. If you love your college and would enjoy answering incoming/prospective students questions, you can find out about any availability by contacting the admissions office or checking out their webpage if they have one on your school’s website. I’m not sure if it is the same at your school, but mine allows people to schedule themselves in two hour slots throughout the week so that they work times that are convenient for them. You could also get a job teaching some sort of music for an hour or two to new music students through the music school of your college. My school every so often advertises that an uperclass student is looking for students to teach. Tutoring is a great idea too and colleges are always looking for tutors because there is always a need for someone to help struggling students. I would not write off the dining hall right away. If you can handle a fast-paced environment and are willing to learn how the process works, you could get a part-time or even full-time job in the dining hall washing dishes. It is not the greatest job out there but it would be something if you cannot get in anywhere else. Lastly, the tour guide idea sounds phenomenal! I cannot see why that would be challenging for you if you know the campus really well. Don’t sell yourself short as they say. Apply for what you can with confidence and the knowledge that you can do the job that is before you. I hope this is helpful/useful in some way. On Jul 13, 2016, at 08:21, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: > > I applaud your DS office, and your music department, but, that's when you > would want to look outside of those places. I like Tour Guide, had a good > feeling about that, and if you can get the Telephone position, that would > give you some work during the semester. Could you Tutor younger college > students in the music department; your department is familiar with you and > might let you help. Could you work with one of the professors? Maybe > something like a GA position, especially if you are going to attend the same > college as a grad student? The tour guide is good because if you know the > root, and then the shortcuts around it, you can do the tour jus like anyone > else. You can tell the same stories, and give the same information if you > time everything because you know the campus. My friend told me about a > tour guide who was totally blind at a museum in New York. > Justin > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton > via NABS-L > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 1:36 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Kaiti Shelton > Subject: [nabs-l] Part time/campus jobs > > Hi all, > > I'm wondering if some of you who have done work study programs at your > universities could weigh in on this. Being just 13 credits shy of earning > my degree, I'll be a part time student this year. I'd like to find a part > time job on campus and do qualify for work study, but there are also a lot > of businesses within walking distance or a short bus ride of campus that I > could get to. My issue is that I'm having difficulty finding something that > I think I can do throughout the semester for a few hours each week that is > accessible. I had a somewhat disastrous experience in my sophomore year > with work study, where I was hired to work in the computer lab for my > department and eventually was let go because due to an inaccessible main > work station I wasn't doing anything beyond babysitting the place (while > that was a big part of the job and the lab needed to be superfvised and > cleaned regularly, I wasn't able to edit and catalog the audio and video > files which are processed in the lab as well). A lot of the readily > available jobs I'm seeing in the listings are in cafeteria food prep, and > I'm slightly hesitant to apply for desk jobs because while I do have > secretarial and receptionist experience it has only been at blindness > agencies that made sure to supply braille extension lists and the like. I > know work study is practice for the real world, and since I qualify for it I > have just as much as a claim to a work study position as a sighted student > would, but a lot of the jobs seem to be things that present with > accessibility barriers that staff will not be invested in sorting out for a > short-term student employee, and I'm not sure if battling them for it is > really worth it if I can find something that doesn't require so much effort > just to get my foot in the door. I'm also looking for something that goes > all semester long; the telethon positions were an idea I was going to > pursue, but they tend to have pique times of the semester and not do much > else. > > I will say that my university has a wonderful disability services office who > I know would help with accessibility where they can. In the last case there > were legitimate reasons for the accessibility being an issue that was just > beyond anyone's control, but both the DS office and the music department > made a good effort to give me equal work opportunities before we saw how > unreasonable that would be for a simple work study position. I also know > what my rights are and how I should be equally treated, but going into my > last few classes and prepping for my internship to follow, I really just > don't want to fight a long and hard battle to get into a job to make maybe > $50 extra each week. Maybe some would agree, but thinking ahead to my next > steps after college, I'm just not all that invested in potentially fighting > the good fight like I know I may have to do in the true employment arena. > I'm wondering if anyone has experience or positive ideas of jobs that might > be innately accessible or easily made accessible. I'd prefer campus jobs > but I'm willing to look out in the community as well; I just know the > majority of things like food prep and waitressing are probably going to be > hard for me to score, as would be working in any type of store since > products move and I can't read the packaging. > > Tutoring is something I've already considered, and if I can find a > receptionist position that doesn't have a ton of print filing I could > potentially do that. I know the dorms need desk workers and have a sign in > sheet, but I might even be able to make the students fill out paperwork more > than usual and accommodate that way. What worries me about that position is > that the desk workers have to be a little vigilant for anything shady that > goes on, and I'm worried that the potential for someone to take advantage of > that would be very real and considered a liability. My other idea that I'm > still thinking of is tour guide. I don't know if I'd get hired to do that > one because they tend to go for the stereotypical campus pride type of kids, > and although I don't make a bad poster child for my school I certainly am > out of the norm. Still, I know my campus and all its little shortcuts very > well and as long as I could get hired, I think I could do that. > I'm still interested in hearing what has worked for others in case none of > these leads pan out. Thanks in advance. > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu From kaybaycar at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 12:58:24 2016 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 08:58:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Part time/campus jobs In-Reply-To: <006501d1dd01$10bc3290$323497b0$@gmail.com> References: <006501d1dd01$10bc3290$323497b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Kaiti, I held a few different jobs while I was in college. (Sad face! I miss being a student!) I also looked for jobs when I got to grad school and observed a number of interesting places to work. I love the tour guide idea! It would be so cool to be a tour guide, and it would be easy enough to give a sample tour to anyone concerned about how well you know the campus. Does your DSS office have any available desk or other positions? I know some may disagree with me on this because it isn't exactly branching out from the norm for a person with a disability. Still, it would give you work experience, and if you're not looking for anything too involved this semester, it's not an option to overlook. It doesn't hurt to inquire about the receptionist positions. Go visit them and ask what the phones are like and what they use to find phone numbers and take notes. Universities procure technology that can do just about everything, and I know there are products used by receptionists that may be accessible. Tutoring! I loved being a German tutor. You know Spanish right? Or you could tutor other subjects, including music theory and history. The most problematic thing about tutoring is that you get work when people need you. This means you could go for weeks without anyone to tutor, and then all of a sudden, you're leading a tutoring session for five people. I found tutoring to be the most enlightening position to take as a blind person because we must ask our students to read aloud everything to us. Let me tell you... We do a lot of pronunciation work that way. Also, don't discount looking for tutoring opportunities outside of your university. Are you interested in teaching? Your music department could possibly hook you up with some students who wish to take lessons. The University of Missouri is quite proud of its community music program, through which the music students could make money from our music department teaching community members who signed up to study privately with an instructor. Does your school have a career center? In grad school I interviewed at our career center to be a job coach of sorts. This would have involved working on interview skills with students, helping them edit their resumes and cover letters, and talking to them about possible career paths and job openings. We did have a hiring database that was not fully accessible at the time, but your university may have a different process for this. I wanted to work at the career center to improve my own skills and become a job-readiness expert. And let's be real; that's probably why I didn't get the job! :) Another point... Disability services offices work with student accommodations, but they do not handle job-related accommodations. Your ADA coordinator would handle any accessibility concerns as you apply for and work at your new job. I hope this helps! On 7/13/16, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: > I applaud your DS office, and your music department, but, that's when you > would want to look outside of those places. I like Tour Guide, had a good > feeling about that, and if you can get the Telephone position, that would > give you some work during the semester. Could you Tutor younger college > students in the music department; your department is familiar with you and > might let you help. Could you work with one of the professors? Maybe > something like a GA position, especially if you are going to attend the > same > college as a grad student? The tour guide is good because if you know the > root, and then the shortcuts around it, you can do the tour jus like anyone > else. You can tell the same stories, and give the same information if you > time everything because you know the campus. My friend told me about a > tour guide who was totally blind at a museum in New York. > Justin > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton > via NABS-L > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 1:36 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Kaiti Shelton > Subject: [nabs-l] Part time/campus jobs > > Hi all, > > I'm wondering if some of you who have done work study programs at your > universities could weigh in on this. Being just 13 credits shy of earning > my degree, I'll be a part time student this year. I'd like to find a part > time job on campus and do qualify for work study, but there are also a lot > of businesses within walking distance or a short bus ride of campus that I > could get to. My issue is that I'm having difficulty finding something > that > I think I can do throughout the semester for a few hours each week that is > accessible. I had a somewhat disastrous experience in my sophomore year > with work study, where I was hired to work in the computer lab for my > department and eventually was let go because due to an inaccessible main > work station I wasn't doing anything beyond babysitting the place (while > that was a big part of the job and the lab needed to be superfvised and > cleaned regularly, I wasn't able to edit and catalog the audio and video > files which are processed in the lab as well). A lot of the readily > available jobs I'm seeing in the listings are in cafeteria food prep, and > I'm slightly hesitant to apply for desk jobs because while I do have > secretarial and receptionist experience it has only been at blindness > agencies that made sure to supply braille extension lists and the like. I > know work study is practice for the real world, and since I qualify for it > I > have just as much as a claim to a work study position as a sighted student > would, but a lot of the jobs seem to be things that present with > accessibility barriers that staff will not be invested in sorting out for a > short-term student employee, and I'm not sure if battling them for it is > really worth it if I can find something that doesn't require so much effort > just to get my foot in the door. I'm also looking for something that goes > all semester long; the telethon positions were an idea I was going to > pursue, but they tend to have pique times of the semester and not do much > else. > > I will say that my university has a wonderful disability services office > who > I know would help with accessibility where they can. In the last case > there > were legitimate reasons for the accessibility being an issue that was just > beyond anyone's control, but both the DS office and the music department > made a good effort to give me equal work opportunities before we saw how > unreasonable that would be for a simple work study position. I also know > what my rights are and how I should be equally treated, but going into my > last few classes and prepping for my internship to follow, I really just > don't want to fight a long and hard battle to get into a job to make maybe > $50 extra each week. Maybe some would agree, but thinking ahead to my next > steps after college, I'm just not all that invested in potentially fighting > the good fight like I know I may have to do in the true employment arena. > I'm wondering if anyone has experience or positive ideas of jobs that might > be innately accessible or easily made accessible. I'd prefer campus jobs > but I'm willing to look out in the community as well; I just know the > majority of things like food prep and waitressing are probably going to be > hard for me to score, as would be working in any type of store since > products move and I can't read the packaging. > > Tutoring is something I've already considered, and if I can find a > receptionist position that doesn't have a ton of print filing I could > potentially do that. I know the dorms need desk workers and have a sign in > sheet, but I might even be able to make the students fill out paperwork > more > than usual and accommodate that way. What worries me about that position > is > that the desk workers have to be a little vigilant for anything shady that > goes on, and I'm worried that the potential for someone to take advantage > of > that would be very real and considered a liability. My other idea that I'm > still thinking of is tour guide. I don't know if I'd get hired to do that > one because they tend to go for the stereotypical campus pride type of > kids, > and although I don't make a bad poster child for my school I certainly am > out of the norm. Still, I know my campus and all its little shortcuts very > well and as long as I could get hired, I think I could do that. > I'm still interested in hearing what has worked for others in case none of > these leads pan out. Thanks in advance. > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie A. McGinnity President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division, Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri "For we walk by faith, not by sight" 2 Cor. 7 From syedrizvinfb at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 13:02:07 2016 From: syedrizvinfb at gmail.com (Syed Rizvi) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 09:02:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] New year, new leadership; and we need your help! In-Reply-To: <037801d1dcf4$ed036a50$c70a3ef0$@gmail.com> References: <037801d1dcf4$ed036a50$c70a3ef0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: You seem to show a great aptitude for leadership and I believe that this year will be a momentous one for nabs with you as president, momentous... Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 13, 2016, at 6:54 AM, NABS President via NABS-L wrote: > > > > NABS family, > > > > Happy Wednesday morning fellow students. For those of you > who were in Orlando last week, I hope you are catching up on sleep after an > incredible week at our National Convention! > > I am more than enthused to be serving each and every one of you for the next > two years as President of the National Association of Blind Students, the > proudest and greatest division within the National Federation of the Blind. > I am grateful for the support I have received over the past few months, and > am eager to embark on a journey with you as we improve the lives of blind > students across our nation. In this role, I want to hear from you. I want to > truly know your thoughts, concerns, and suggestions as we shape our > objectives for the next few years. > > > > I would like to take this opportunity to welcome our new leaders. Below, you > will find a list of the newly elected officers and board members, as well as > which affiliates they will be serving as a state liaison to. To clarify, > state liaisons are national student leaders who have the necessary tools to > create, grow, and refine student divisions. If you are in a state and have > no idea how to get involved in your local student division, we are here to > help. If you have questions or simply want to brainstorm ideas with someone, > our national student leaders are here to mentor you throughout. > > > > President: Kathryn Webster > > 1st Vice President: Bre Brown > > > Alabama > > > Louisiana > > > Oklahoma > > > South Carolina > > > Vermont > > > West Virginia > > > Wyoming > > 2nd Vice President: Syed Rizvi > > > Connecticut > > > Florida > > > Georgia > > > Massachusetts > > > North Carolina > > > Puerto Rico > > > Texas > > > > Treasurer: Luke Schwinck > > > Illinois > > > Indiana > > > Kansas > > > Montana > > > New York > > > Oregon > > > Virginia > > > > Secretary: Michael Ausbun > > > Alaska > > > Idaho > > > Kentucky > > > Missouri > > > Nebraska > > > Nevada > > > Tennessee > > > > Board Member 1: Vee Gaspa > > > Delaware > > > Iowa > > > New Hampshire > > > New Jersey > > > New Mexico > > > Wisconsin > > > > Board Member 2: Tarik Williams > > > DC > > > Maine > > > Mississippi > > > Pennsylvania > > > Rhode Island > > > Utah > > > > Board Member 3: Chris Nusbaum > > > Colorado > > > Hawaii > > > Maryland > > > Michigan > > > Minnesota > > > Washington > > > > Board Member 4: Bryan Duarte > > > Arkansas > > > Arizona > > > California > > > North Dakota > > > Ohio > > > South Dakota > > > > Congratulations to each of them! And, now, for where you come into play. The > National Association of Blind Students has three committees this year, all > of which need your help to be successful. I encourage you to consider > joining one of our committees, based on your preferences, skill set, and > interests. Please do reach out to the committee chairs, contact information > listed below, in order to dive into the work of our movement. > > > > Fundraising Committee: > > Chair: Luke Schwinck (luke.schwinck at hotmail.com > ) > > The most important part of any movement is funding that movement. > Therefore, the Fundraising Committee of the National Association of Blind > Students, a proud division of the National Federation of the Blind, is > paramount to effecting positive change for blind students in our nation. > This is illustrated by the majority of the NABS Board, beginning with their > involvement on the Fundraising Committee. We are seeking passionate, > creative, and hardworking students from all corners of the country to learn, > and lead alongside President Kathryn Webster and the NABS board. Our vision > for this year is to engage in a variety of ventures from grant writing to > hosting local and national fundraising events, and everything in between. > The majority of our committee’s work is creating, planning, and implementing > events such as Monte Carlo Night at national convention and NABS Café at > Washington Seminar, as well as making fundraising merchandise decisions. We > are anxious to share with you our experience, and knowledge with the sincere > hope that you will return the favor. This year on the fundraising committee > you can expect to work hard and have a great time doing it! > > > > Legislative Committee: > > Chair: Michael Ausbun (mausbun at nevada.unr.edu) > > Have you ever found yourself in a class where the materials were > inaccessible? Have you ever thought legislation, the political process, or > advocating for equality, opportunity, and security for blind students is > important? We need your help! The Legislative committee of the National > Association of Blind Students is looking for volunteers! We work closely > with the Governmental Affairs team at the National Federation of the Blind > Jernigan Institute, in order to facilitate the dialogue which leads to the > development of equitable policy. We will be focusing on our national agendas > from a student’s lens, and need your help doing so! > > > > Membership/Communications Committee: > > Chair: Bre Brown (bbrown at nfbtx.org) > > Are you interested in communicating with our membership, and facilitating > personal and professional development? How about insuring students have > access to resources to help them be successful? Join us! The > Membership/Communications Committee of the National Association of Blind > Students is looking for volunteers! Tasks include, though are not limited > to, planning and participating in membership calls, writing and gathering > blog posts, generating resources for student toolkits, development of > regional student programs, and membership outreach. This is a newly formed > committee, so it’s got a lot of reach to get your feet wet in something new > and fun! > > > > Thank you in advance for your efforts and contributions for ensuring that > blind students live the lives we want. > > Please reach out to me if you have any questions, want to chat, or have an > idea you’d like to throw around. I am eager to hear from you! > > > > Best, > > Kathryn Webster > > President | national Association of Blind Students > > (203) 273-8463 > > Nabs.president at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/syedrizvinfb%40gmail.com From desai1shikha at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 13:09:02 2016 From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 09:09:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] New year, new leadership; and we need your help! In-Reply-To: <037801d1dcf4$ed036a50$c70a3ef0$@gmail.com> References: <037801d1dcf4$ed036a50$c70a3ef0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <62AF462F-6331-41D9-8371-E48FD50CE110@gmail.com> Hey, Can I please get the second Vice President contact information I am from Georgia and I would like to make our student association of Georgia better. Our president is not doing anything and I would like some help on becoming the next president for Georgia. I have tried becoming president in the past but my speach was not convincing. Thanks, Shikha. > On Jul 13, 2016, at 6:54 AM, NABS President via NABS-L wrote: > > > > NABS family, > > > > Happy Wednesday morning fellow students. For those of you > who were in Orlando last week, I hope you are catching up on sleep after an > incredible week at our National Convention! > > I am more than enthused to be serving each and every one of you for the next > two years as President of the National Association of Blind Students, the > proudest and greatest division within the National Federation of the Blind. > I am grateful for the support I have received over the past few months, and > am eager to embark on a journey with you as we improve the lives of blind > students across our nation. In this role, I want to hear from you. I want to > truly know your thoughts, concerns, and suggestions as we shape our > objectives for the next few years. > > > > I would like to take this opportunity to welcome our new leaders. Below, you > will find a list of the newly elected officers and board members, as well as > which affiliates they will be serving as a state liaison to. To clarify, > state liaisons are national student leaders who have the necessary tools to > create, grow, and refine student divisions. If you are in a state and have > no idea how to get involved in your local student division, we are here to > help. If you have questions or simply want to brainstorm ideas with someone, > our national student leaders are here to mentor you throughout. > > > > President: Kathryn Webster > > 1st Vice President: Bre Brown > > > Alabama > > > Louisiana > > > Oklahoma > > > South Carolina > > > Vermont > > > West Virginia > > > Wyoming > > 2nd Vice President: Syed Rizvi > > > Connecticut > > > Florida > > > Georgia > > > Massachusetts > > > North Carolina > > > Puerto Rico > > > Texas > > > > Treasurer: Luke Schwinck > > > Illinois > > > Indiana > > > Kansas > > > Montana > > > New York > > > Oregon > > > Virginia > > > > Secretary: Michael Ausbun > > > Alaska > > > Idaho > > > Kentucky > > > Missouri > > > Nebraska > > > Nevada > > > Tennessee > > > > Board Member 1: Vee Gaspa > > > Delaware > > > Iowa > > > New Hampshire > > > New Jersey > > > New Mexico > > > Wisconsin > > > > Board Member 2: Tarik Williams > > > DC > > > Maine > > > Mississippi > > > Pennsylvania > > > Rhode Island > > > Utah > > > > Board Member 3: Chris Nusbaum > > > Colorado > > > Hawaii > > > Maryland > > > Michigan > > > Minnesota > > > Washington > > > > Board Member 4: Bryan Duarte > > > Arkansas > > > Arizona > > > California > > > North Dakota > > > Ohio > > > South Dakota > > > > Congratulations to each of them! And, now, for where you come into play. The > National Association of Blind Students has three committees this year, all > of which need your help to be successful. I encourage you to consider > joining one of our committees, based on your preferences, skill set, and > interests. Please do reach out to the committee chairs, contact information > listed below, in order to dive into the work of our movement. > > > > Fundraising Committee: > > Chair: Luke Schwinck (luke.schwinck at hotmail.com > ) > > The most important part of any movement is funding that movement. > Therefore, the Fundraising Committee of the National Association of Blind > Students, a proud division of the National Federation of the Blind, is > paramount to effecting positive change for blind students in our nation. > This is illustrated by the majority of the NABS Board, beginning with their > involvement on the Fundraising Committee. We are seeking passionate, > creative, and hardworking students from all corners of the country to learn, > and lead alongside President Kathryn Webster and the NABS board. Our vision > for this year is to engage in a variety of ventures from grant writing to > hosting local and national fundraising events, and everything in between. > The majority of our committee’s work is creating, planning, and implementing > events such as Monte Carlo Night at national convention and NABS Café at > Washington Seminar, as well as making fundraising merchandise decisions. We > are anxious to share with you our experience, and knowledge with the sincere > hope that you will return the favor. This year on the fundraising committee > you can expect to work hard and have a great time doing it! > > > > Legislative Committee: > > Chair: Michael Ausbun (mausbun at nevada.unr.edu) > > Have you ever found yourself in a class where the materials were > inaccessible? Have you ever thought legislation, the political process, or > advocating for equality, opportunity, and security for blind students is > important? We need your help! The Legislative committee of the National > Association of Blind Students is looking for volunteers! We work closely > with the Governmental Affairs team at the National Federation of the Blind > Jernigan Institute, in order to facilitate the dialogue which leads to the > development of equitable policy. We will be focusing on our national agendas > from a student’s lens, and need your help doing so! > > > > Membership/Communications Committee: > > Chair: Bre Brown (bbrown at nfbtx.org) > > Are you interested in communicating with our membership, and facilitating > personal and professional development? How about insuring students have > access to resources to help them be successful? Join us! The > Membership/Communications Committee of the National Association of Blind > Students is looking for volunteers! Tasks include, though are not limited > to, planning and participating in membership calls, writing and gathering > blog posts, generating resources for student toolkits, development of > regional student programs, and membership outreach. This is a newly formed > committee, so it’s got a lot of reach to get your feet wet in something new > and fun! > > > > Thank you in advance for your efforts and contributions for ensuring that > blind students live the lives we want. > > Please reach out to me if you have any questions, want to chat, or have an > idea you’d like to throw around. I am eager to hear from you! > > > > Best, > > Kathryn Webster > > President | national Association of Blind Students > > (203) 273-8463 > > Nabs.president at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/desai1shikha%40gmail.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 13:17:06 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 09:17:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] New year, new leadership; and we need your help! In-Reply-To: <037801d1dcf4$ed036a50$c70a3ef0$@gmail.com> References: <037801d1dcf4$ed036a50$c70a3ef0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <33C5A8B9-AD52-4456-8C30-14A6C553F80F@gmail.com> You have my full support. Sent from my iPad > On Jul 13, 2016, at 6:54 AM, NABS President via NABS-L wrote: > > > > NABS family, > > > > Happy Wednesday morning fellow students. For those of you > who were in Orlando last week, I hope you are catching up on sleep after an > incredible week at our National Convention! > > I am more than enthused to be serving each and every one of you for the next > two years as President of the National Association of Blind Students, the > proudest and greatest division within the National Federation of the Blind. > I am grateful for the support I have received over the past few months, and > am eager to embark on a journey with you as we improve the lives of blind > students across our nation. In this role, I want to hear from you. I want to > truly know your thoughts, concerns, and suggestions as we shape our > objectives for the next few years. > > > > I would like to take this opportunity to welcome our new leaders. Below, you > will find a list of the newly elected officers and board members, as well as > which affiliates they will be serving as a state liaison to. To clarify, > state liaisons are national student leaders who have the necessary tools to > create, grow, and refine student divisions. If you are in a state and have > no idea how to get involved in your local student division, we are here to > help. If you have questions or simply want to brainstorm ideas with someone, > our national student leaders are here to mentor you throughout. > > > > President: Kathryn Webster > > 1st Vice President: Bre Brown > > > Alabama > > > Louisiana > > > Oklahoma > > > South Carolina > > > Vermont > > > West Virginia > > > Wyoming > > 2nd Vice President: Syed Rizvi > > > Connecticut > > > Florida > > > Georgia > > > Massachusetts > > > North Carolina > > > Puerto Rico > > > Texas > > > > Treasurer: Luke Schwinck > > > Illinois > > > Indiana > > > Kansas > > > Montana > > > New York > > > Oregon > > > Virginia > > > > Secretary: Michael Ausbun > > > Alaska > > > Idaho > > > Kentucky > > > Missouri > > > Nebraska > > > Nevada > > > Tennessee > > > > Board Member 1: Vee Gaspa > > > Delaware > > > Iowa > > > New Hampshire > > > New Jersey > > > New Mexico > > > Wisconsin > > > > Board Member 2: Tarik Williams > > > DC > > > Maine > > > Mississippi > > > Pennsylvania > > > Rhode Island > > > Utah > > > > Board Member 3: Chris Nusbaum > > > Colorado > > > Hawaii > > > Maryland > > > Michigan > > > Minnesota > > > Washington > > > > Board Member 4: Bryan Duarte > > > Arkansas > > > Arizona > > > California > > > North Dakota > > > Ohio > > > South Dakota > > > > Congratulations to each of them! And, now, for where you come into play. The > National Association of Blind Students has three committees this year, all > of which need your help to be successful. I encourage you to consider > joining one of our committees, based on your preferences, skill set, and > interests. Please do reach out to the committee chairs, contact information > listed below, in order to dive into the work of our movement. > > > > Fundraising Committee: > > Chair: Luke Schwinck (luke.schwinck at hotmail.com > ) > > The most important part of any movement is funding that movement. > Therefore, the Fundraising Committee of the National Association of Blind > Students, a proud division of the National Federation of the Blind, is > paramount to effecting positive change for blind students in our nation. > This is illustrated by the majority of the NABS Board, beginning with their > involvement on the Fundraising Committee. We are seeking passionate, > creative, and hardworking students from all corners of the country to learn, > and lead alongside President Kathryn Webster and the NABS board. Our vision > for this year is to engage in a variety of ventures from grant writing to > hosting local and national fundraising events, and everything in between. > The majority of our committee’s work is creating, planning, and implementing > events such as Monte Carlo Night at national convention and NABS Café at > Washington Seminar, as well as making fundraising merchandise decisions. We > are anxious to share with you our experience, and knowledge with the sincere > hope that you will return the favor. This year on the fundraising committee > you can expect to work hard and have a great time doing it! > > > > Legislative Committee: > > Chair: Michael Ausbun (mausbun at nevada.unr.edu) > > Have you ever found yourself in a class where the materials were > inaccessible? Have you ever thought legislation, the political process, or > advocating for equality, opportunity, and security for blind students is > important? We need your help! The Legislative committee of the National > Association of Blind Students is looking for volunteers! We work closely > with the Governmental Affairs team at the National Federation of the Blind > Jernigan Institute, in order to facilitate the dialogue which leads to the > development of equitable policy. We will be focusing on our national agendas > from a student’s lens, and need your help doing so! > > > > Membership/Communications Committee: > > Chair: Bre Brown (bbrown at nfbtx.org) > > Are you interested in communicating with our membership, and facilitating > personal and professional development? How about insuring students have > access to resources to help them be successful? Join us! The > Membership/Communications Committee of the National Association of Blind > Students is looking for volunteers! Tasks include, though are not limited > to, planning and participating in membership calls, writing and gathering > blog posts, generating resources for student toolkits, development of > regional student programs, and membership outreach. This is a newly formed > committee, so it’s got a lot of reach to get your feet wet in something new > and fun! > > > > Thank you in advance for your efforts and contributions for ensuring that > blind students live the lives we want. > > Please reach out to me if you have any questions, want to chat, or have an > idea you’d like to throw around. I am eager to hear from you! > > > > Best, > > Kathryn Webster > > President | national Association of Blind Students > > (203) 273-8463 > > Nabs.president at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com From rob.parso3389 at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 15:58:05 2016 From: rob.parso3389 at gmail.com (Robert Parsons ) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 11:58:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] VABS Monthly Conference Call July 15th Message-ID: <000a01d1dd1f$580bd470$08237d50$@gmail.com> Greetings NABS The Virginia Association of Blind Students will hold its monthly conference call meeting on Friday, July 15, 2016 at 7pm. Please join the student officers in their recap of fundraising at National Convention, plans for future fundraising at our state board meeting and state convention, and end-of-year culminating event. Also, get a chance to hear all of the exciting possibilities that may arise from the Student Division's collaborative efforts with chapters throughout the state. The call-in information for the Student Division meeting is 641 715 3655 and the access code is 568305. We hope you will join us and assist with some innovative fundraising and event ideas. Blessings Robert E. Parsons Jr. Vice President, Richmond Chapter National Federation of the Blind of Virginia (NFBV) J. Sargeant Reynolds Community College '17 Alpha Delta Mu National Music and Social Work Fraternity Phi Theta Kappa International Honor Society '15 www.nfbv.org Phone: 804 200 3275 "Persist Until Success Happens." -Thomas Bailey From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 17:54:27 2016 From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 13:54:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A Few Dropbox Questions In-Reply-To: References: <578583b4.46e60d0a.c1a6a.ffff93ca@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <004401d1dd2f$99cceb00$cd66c100$@gmail.com> Kaiti: I've never encountered any inaccessible captchas when signing into Dropbox on any of my devices, and I have installed the app on quite a few machines due to my almost-constant use of Dropbox. To answer your Braille Sense question, however, the Dropbox feature is very convenient. All I needed to do was sign into my Dropbox account by following the prompts on my Braille Sense. Once I was signed in, all my files and folders appeared as they would be displayed normally in File Manager. The only down side I've found in this feature is that, unlike Windows, you can't open and edit a file directly from Dropbox. Rather, you have to download the file and save it to the Braille Sense's internal flash disk. So, it takes a few extra steps, but I think this is a small price to pay for the convenience of Dropbox on a Braille notetaker. Hope this helps, Chris -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 1:08 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Kaiti Shelton Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Few Dropbox Questions Side note, I really am interested to play around with dropbox on the BrailleSense. I do a ton of my work and communicating through my phone and laptop so I've never had the need to use my BrailleSense for dropbox, but now I'm curious to see how Hims worked around the visual captia that may or may not be there for some people now. I know I have a software update patch to install tomorrow so that will be fun to play with. Glad to hear you were able to find a solution. On 7/12/16, Julie McGinnity via NABS-L wrote: > I logged into dropbox from a new computer just the other day, and > there was no visual capcha to be seen. :) The buttons could have > been unlabeled though... I don't think they were, however, I did > notice a lot of unlabeled links and things on the website. No Dropbox > app for the Braille Note though. > > > On 7/12/16, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L wrote: >> I think once you do it once your computer is registered so you don't >> have to again, but with the Apex you can't do it the first time, >> so... >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Few Dropbox Questions >> >> That's interesting that there's a capcha to sign in every time. >> It wasn't very obvious. My issue was that the sign-in button just >> wouldn't work, the bt sign would just stay there, it wouldn't click. >> Thanks. >> Vejas >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Few Dropbox Questions >> >> The problem with Dropbox and the Apex is actually dropboxes fault. >> You need to do a visual capcha to sign into Dropbox with a computer, >> and the Apex can't do that. So I had the Dropbox app on my phone, >> which is accessible, and would e-mail myself files from my Apex and >> use my phone to upload them. The Apex can actually download files >> from Dropbox if you have a link just not sign in to your account. SO >> I would do the share file by e-mail and then open the e-mail on my >> Apex and use the link to download the file. This is all as of a bit >> over a year ago the last time I messed with Dropbox, so things might >> have changed by now. >> >> Best, >> Karl >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Few Dropbox Questions >> >> I suppose if you really wanted to access your dropbox folder with the >> Apex you could connect the two through bluetooth, but that's the best >> possible solution I can think of. You could still transfer files >> from the Apex to dropbox, but you might have to do it in a convoluted >> way like emailing it to the account on your IPhone and then saving it >> to dropbox once your bluetooth connection is turned on. Hopefully, >> although it is not ideal, that is a potential fix for you. >> >> On 7/10/16, Katie Wang via NABS-L wrote: >> Hi Vejas, >> >> Unfortunately, the Apex does not work with Dropbox. Braille Sense >> should support Dropbox though, and so will the note-takers we have >> been discussing on the other thread. >> >> Katie >> >> >> On 7/9/16, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L wrote: >> Hi, Vejas, >> >> I believe swiping up/down with one finger on the item you're trying >> to delete should give you that option, just like when you're >> deleting an email or something else. Sorry I can't answer your >> question about the Apex as I'm a Sense user, but I hope this solves >> the IPhone half of the issue for you. >> >> On 7/9/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L > wrote: >> Hi All, >> I had a few questions about Dropbox. >> Firstly, I would like to know how you can delete folders and files >> on the IPhone app. I found a more actions menu, which gives the >> option of creating another folder, but could not find a way to >> delete anything. >> I would also like to know, for these of you who are Braille note >> Apex users, have you had any luck with Dropbox? >> Thanks, >> Vejas >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> NABS-L: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine >> t104%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Kaiti Shelton >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> NABS-L: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%4 >> 0gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> NABS-L: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine >> t104%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Kaiti Shelton >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma >> il.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina >> tion%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma >> il.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail >> .com >> > > > -- > Julie A. McGinnity > President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division, > Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri > "For we walk by faith, not by sight" > 2 Cor. 7 > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% > 40gmail.com > -- Kaiti Shelton _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%40gmail.com From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Wed Jul 13 18:00:38 2016 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 14:00:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A Few Unrelated Questions In-Reply-To: References: <020301d1ceeb$5eb1ebd0$1c15c370$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello All, Thank you to everyone who took the time to respond to my inquiry I sent to the NABS email list before national convention. Please forgive me for taking some time to reply to the responses I received from my message. I found all the tips for writing a thank you letter for my scholarship to be rather helpful, and I plan to use some of these ideas as I compose my thank you letter within the next couple of days. Danielle, thank you for being willing to look over my thank you letter once I write it. I will definitely take you up on your offer to look over it for me once I write the letter. So thank you for this offer. Carl, I sent you a message off list to follow up with you about taking an environmental geology class. However, sometimes my off list messages do not always end up in the inbox, so I just thought I would let you know that I have tried contacting you off list to make sure you receive my email. Arielle, I also sent you a message off list regarding my scholarship as I wanted to thank you for the part you played in it. However, again, I am not quite sure if you received my email as sometimes my off list messages do not always make it into the inbox for some reason. Anyway, I just wanted to take a moment to follow up with those of you who responded to my message to the email list before convention. Thank you all for your thoughts and ideas for writing a thank you letter for my scholarship. Warm regards, Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 3:03 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Arielle Silverman Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Few Unrelated Questions Hi Elizabeth and all, Congratulations on being awarded the foundation scholarship. It sounds like a great opportunity, and I recall you worked hard to get it, so nice job. I am not sure if there is a length expectation for the thank-you letter. When I have written them I tend to keep them fairly brief, maybe a paragraph or two. You can focus on what you are hoping to do professionally once you get your degree and any ways that being in school so farhas helped you personally or professionally. Best, Arielle On 6/26/16, Danielle Montour via NABS-L wrote: > Hi Elizabeth, > The only question I can be of any assistance with is your last > regarding the thank you letter. When I wrote letters like this last > fall, I included how I was a first generation college student, how > important postsecondary education was to me, my gratitude for the > opportunity the scholarship is helping to provide for me, and how > their financial support would insure my success in the future. > I’d be more than happy to look over your letter when it is finished, > if you’d like. > > Best, > Danielle > > > On 6/25/16, justin via NABS-L wrote: >> About the thank you letter, you can also tell them how the money will >> benefit you. >> Justin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >> Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L >> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 9:11 AM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> >> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke >> Subject: [nabs-l] A Few Unrelated Questions >> >> Hello All, >> >> I hope this message finds everyone doing well as I am sure many of >> you are most likely in the final stages of preparing to attend >> national convention. >> I have a few unrelated questions I would like to ask everyone who is >> on this email list. >> >> First, are there any blind students out there who have a cognitive >> disability in addition to blindness? If so, I would be interested in >> connecting with you off list. >> >> Second, has anyone on the email list taken an environmental geology >> class before? If so, what types of accommodations did you use for >> this class? I would greatly appreciate any information even though >> this question may have been asked on the email list before. >> >> Third, does anyone have any advice on writing a thank you letter as >> part of receiving a scholarship? I need to write a thank you letter >> as part of receiving a foundation scholarship from my local community >> college, and although I am often prone to ramble, I have absolutely >> no idea what to say in this letter beyond simply saying thank you. >> >> There is not much of a description for this particular scholarship >> besides the number of credits a student needs to take and the grade >> point average a student needs to maintain as a part of receiving this >> scholarship. I already asked the person in charge of the scholarship >> program if she could provide more details about how the scholarship >> was created as a way to help me write the thank you letter. However, >> I did not receive any additional information from asking this >> question. So I am at a loss as to what to say in this thank you >> letter. >> >> If anyone has any thoughts or ideas regarding any of these questions, >> I would greatly appreciate hearing from you. Please feel free to >> respond on the email list, off the email list, or at national convention. >> >> Thanks, >> Elizabeth >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2% >> 40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montour1 >> %40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. > com > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com From theweird1 at mediacombb.net Wed Jul 13 18:08:01 2016 From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 13:08:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] thumbdrive Message-ID: <000501d1dd31$7ef49830$7cddc890$@mediacombb.net> Are there still any of the nabs thumb drives left for sale? If so, I would be interested in one. Thanks. Loren Wakefield From syedrizvinfb at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 18:20:43 2016 From: syedrizvinfb at gmail.com (Syed Rizvi) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 14:20:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] thumbdrive In-Reply-To: <000501d1dd31$7ef49830$7cddc890$@mediacombb.net> References: <000501d1dd31$7ef49830$7cddc890$@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: <15DBB4E4-1533-4E9F-A380-BE0CF6B7D6F7@gmail.com> Absolutely! And that goes for all the students,. It is a phenomenal resource. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 13, 2016, at 2:08 PM, Loren Wakefield via NABS-L wrote: > > Are there still any of the nabs thumb drives left for sale? If so, I would > be interested in one. Thanks. > > > > Loren Wakefield > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/syedrizvinfb%40gmail.com From rosz1878 at fredonia.edu Wed Jul 13 18:25:01 2016 From: rosz1878 at fredonia.edu (Lisa E Roszyk) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 14:25:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] thumbdrive In-Reply-To: <15DBB4E4-1533-4E9F-A380-BE0CF6B7D6F7@gmail.com> References: <000501d1dd31$7ef49830$7cddc890$@mediacombb.net> <15DBB4E4-1533-4E9F-A380-BE0CF6B7D6F7@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello fellow nabs, Who should we bother in reference to aquring one of the thumb drives? Lisa On Jul 13, 2016 2:21 PM, "Syed Rizvi via NABS-L" wrote: > Absolutely! And that goes for all the students,. It is a phenomenal > resource. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 13, 2016, at 2:08 PM, Loren Wakefield via NABS-L < > nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > > > Are there still any of the nabs thumb drives left for sale? If so, I > would > > be interested in one. Thanks. > > > > > > > > Loren Wakefield > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/syedrizvinfb%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rosz1878%40fredonia.edu > From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 18:25:36 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 14:25:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] thumbdrive In-Reply-To: <15DBB4E4-1533-4E9F-A380-BE0CF6B7D6F7@gmail.com> References: <000501d1dd31$7ef49830$7cddc890$@mediacombb.net> <15DBB4E4-1533-4E9F-A380-BE0CF6B7D6F7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <010b01d1dd33$f3b26380$db172a80$@gmail.com> What is on the thumbdrive? Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Syed Rizvi via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 2:21 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Syed Rizvi Subject: Re: [nabs-l] thumbdrive Absolutely! And that goes for all the students,. It is a phenomenal resource. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 13, 2016, at 2:08 PM, Loren Wakefield via NABS-L wrote: > > Are there still any of the nabs thumb drives left for sale? If so, I > would be interested in one. Thanks. > > > > Loren Wakefield > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/syedrizvinfb%40gma > il.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From mjc59 at comcast.net Wed Jul 13 18:32:31 2016 From: mjc59 at comcast.net (mjc59 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 18:32:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nabs-l] thumbdrive In-Reply-To: References: <000501d1dd31$7ef49830$7cddc890$@mediacombb.net> <15DBB4E4-1533-4E9F-A380-BE0CF6B7D6F7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <312635341.35000577.1468434751042.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bjduarte at asu.edu Wed Jul 13 18:36:12 2016 From: bjduarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 11:36:12 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] thumbdrive In-Reply-To: <000501d1dd31$7ef49830$7cddc890$@mediacombb.net> References: <000501d1dd31$7ef49830$7cddc890$@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: The thumb drives are loaded with resources such as NVDA, resume, cover letter, CV, and interviewing templates and resources, fitness tips from the We fit program of the NFB, and other things to help students. The drives are $8 and Kathryn Webster would be the person to contact if you wish to purchase one unless you are in Colorado and Garret Moony has some you could purchase from him directly. Thanks for asking and please let others know. Go Devils! Bryan Duarte software engineer ASU Computer Science Ph.D candidate QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/ “let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.” -- St. Teresa of Avila > On Jul 13, 2016, at 11:08 AM, Loren Wakefield via NABS-L wrote: > > Are there still any of the nabs thumb drives left for sale? If so, I would > be interested in one. Thanks. > > > > Loren Wakefield > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bjduarte%40asu.edu From annajee82 at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 19:21:08 2016 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 13:21:08 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Transition to college Message-ID: <92F19DD1-6C7B-4591-8015-571D24381B37@gmail.com> Hey NABS! I am trying to collect some information and hoping that this may be a useful place to do so. I need to hear about people's experiences or thoughts on the process of transition, so here are some questions to help direct this discussion: 1. How smooth was your transition from high school to college? (Please explain) 2. What did/do you struggle with in college? (This could be academic or social or anything else college related) 3. What do you wish you had been told or taught before starting college? There are more questions but let's start with that. I would love to hear about these topics from everyone. And feel free to email me off list if necessary. Thanks much, Anna E Givens annajee82 at gmail.com From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 20:14:59 2016 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 16:14:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] thumbdrive In-Reply-To: <15DBB4E4-1533-4E9F-A380-BE0CF6B7D6F7@gmail.com> References: <000501d1dd31$7ef49830$7cddc890$@mediacombb.net> <15DBB4E4-1533-4E9F-A380-BE0CF6B7D6F7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <58183650-F9CE-4CB0-8BB3-5ABC26C5F0BD@gmail.com> Hi all! How are you all? Sorry for asking this question, what information the thumb drive includes? and hwo much it cost? I'm just wondering. I apologize for asking this silly question guys! I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless! Helga Schreiber Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students. Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Skype: helga.schreiber26 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx INT Website: http://int4life.com/ "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.2 > On Jul 13, 2016, at 2:20 PM, Syed Rizvi via NABS-L wrote: > > Absolutely! And that goes for all the students,. It is a phenomenal resource. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 13, 2016, at 2:08 PM, Loren Wakefield via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Are there still any of the nabs thumb drives left for sale? If so, I would >> be interested in one. Thanks. >> >> >> >> Loren Wakefield >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/syedrizvinfb%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Jul 13 21:57:34 2016 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 17:57:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Part time/campus jobs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9C01B7AE578547D28ADAFE0BC3B2836B@OwnerPC> Hello, I did not qualify for work study but was eligible for part time work at my university, Marymount university. I had some of the same barriers you faced. I thought about working at the dorm desk as they needed desk staff to sign in visitors or student guests to the dorm. I did not apply because the job was too visual such as needing to check Ids at night. After midnight, you were supposed to scan your ID and show the desk worker. If your school has information desk jobs where you mainly answer questions, this may be a good fit. Tutoring may be an option. When I tried that at Northern Virginia community college though, the software system to track our tutees was partly inaccessible. Other tutors could make appointments but I could not. I was let go of that position for another reason though. So, just be aware that tutoring may have access challenges too. You might want to see if working in the front desk of some offices is doable. It depends on the duties and if they use paper forms. Good luck in finding a job. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 1:35 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Kaiti Shelton Subject: [nabs-l] Part time/campus jobs Hi all, I'm wondering if some of you who have done work study programs at your universities could weigh in on this. Being just 13 credits shy of earning my degree, I'll be a part time student this year. I'd like to find a part time job on campus and do qualify for work study, but there are also a lot of businesses within walking distance or a short bus ride of campus that I could get to. My issue is that I'm having difficulty finding something that I think I can do throughout the semester for a few hours each week that is accessible. I had a somewhat disastrous experience in my sophomore year with work study, where I was hired to work in the computer lab for my department and eventually was let go because due to an inaccessible main work station I wasn't doing anything beyond babysitting the place (while that was a big part of the job and the lab needed to be superfvised and cleaned regularly, I wasn't able to edit and catalog the audio and video files which are processed in the lab as well). A lot of the readily available jobs I'm seeing in the listings are in cafeteria food prep, and I'm slightly hesitant to apply for desk jobs because while I do have secretarial and receptionist experience it has only been at blindness agencies that made sure to supply braille extension lists and the like. I know work study is practice for the real world, and since I qualify for it I have just as much as a claim to a work study position as a sighted student would, but a lot of the jobs seem to be things that present with accessibility barriers that staff will not be invested in sorting out for a short-term student employee, and I'm not sure if battling them for it is really worth it if I can find something that doesn't require so much effort just to get my foot in the door. I'm also looking for something that goes all semester long; the telethon positions were an idea I was going to pursue, but they tend to have pique times of the semester and not do much else. I will say that my university has a wonderful disability services office who I know would help with accessibility where they can. In the last case there were legitimate reasons for the accessibility being an issue that was just beyond anyone's control, but both the DS office and the music department made a good effort to give me equal work opportunities before we saw how unreasonable that would be for a simple work study position. I also know what my rights are and how I should be equally treated, but going into my last few classes and prepping for my internship to follow, I really just don't want to fight a long and hard battle to get into a job to make maybe $50 extra each week. Maybe some would agree, but thinking ahead to my next steps after college, I'm just not all that invested in potentially fighting the good fight like I know I may have to do in the true employment arena. I'm wondering if anyone has experience or positive ideas of jobs that might be innately accessible or easily made accessible. I'd prefer campus jobs but I'm willing to look out in the community as well; I just know the majority of things like food prep and waitressing are probably going to be hard for me to score, as would be working in any type of store since products move and I can't read the packaging. Tutoring is something I've already considered, and if I can find a receptionist position that doesn't have a ton of print filing I could potentially do that. I know the dorms need desk workers and have a sign in sheet, but I might even be able to make the students fill out paperwork more than usual and accommodate that way. What worries me about that position is that the desk workers have to be a little vigilant for anything shady that goes on, and I'm worried that the potential for someone to take advantage of that would be very real and considered a liability. My other idea that I'm still thinking of is tour guide. I don't know if I'd get hired to do that one because they tend to go for the stereotypical campus pride type of kids, and although I don't make a bad poster child for my school I certainly am out of the norm. Still, I know my campus and all its little shortcuts very well and as long as I could get hired, I think I could do that. I'm still interested in hearing what has worked for others in case none of these leads pan out. Thanks in advance. _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Jul 13 22:23:41 2016 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 18:23:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] thumbdrive In-Reply-To: <010b01d1dd33$f3b26380$db172a80$@gmail.com> References: <000501d1dd31$7ef49830$7cddc890$@mediacombb.net><15DBB4E4-1533-4E9F-A380-BE0CF6B7D6F7@gmail.com> <010b01d1dd33$f3b26380$db172a80$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I did not know they were available still. How much does that cost and how do you get one? -----Original Message----- From: Justin Williams via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 2:25 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Justin Williams Subject: Re: [nabs-l] thumbdrive What is on the thumbdrive? Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Syed Rizvi via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 2:21 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Syed Rizvi Subject: Re: [nabs-l] thumbdrive Absolutely! And that goes for all the students,. It is a phenomenal resource. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 13, 2016, at 2:08 PM, Loren Wakefield via NABS-L wrote: > > Are there still any of the nabs thumb drives left for sale? If so, I > would be interested in one. Thanks. > > > > Loren Wakefield > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/syedrizvinfb%40gma > il.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From kestomberg at coe.edu Wed Jul 13 23:01:14 2016 From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 18:01:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Part time/campus jobs In-Reply-To: <9C01B7AE578547D28ADAFE0BC3B2836B@OwnerPC> References: <9C01B7AE578547D28ADAFE0BC3B2836B@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hello, Kaiti, I tutored at my college, and there were no access barrious, and I loved it! The Academic Acheivement Office at my school kept track of who was tutoring who, and I got the phone numbers of my tutees, so we scheduled appointments that way. I loved it, because that way, my tutees could text me questions at ay time, especially before a test. This was something that the Academic Acheivement Office at my college did for every student, not just me. So, if you want to tutor, and your schinol has weird software like Ashley's, you might be able to schedule appointments this way. Being a tourguiee might also be a lovely option, especially if you know your campus. You expressed a concern that you might not be what your school is looking for. But I think you she apply anyway. Admissions offices are always looking for a variety of students to give tours. Bottom line, if you think you can be successful at a job, just apply for it! The worst they can say is no, right? Good luck! Kennedy Stomberg On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L < nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > Hello, > > I did not qualify for work study but was eligible for part time work at my > university, Marymount university. > I had some of the same barriers you faced. I thought about working at the > dorm desk as they needed desk staff to sign in visitors or student guests > to the dorm. > I did not apply because the job was too visual such as needing to check > Ids at night. After midnight, you were supposed to scan your ID and show > the desk worker. > If your school has information desk jobs where you mainly answer > questions, this may be a good fit. > > Tutoring may be an option. When I tried that at Northern Virginia > community college though, the software system to track our tutees was > partly inaccessible. Other tutors could make appointments but I could not. > I was let go of that position for another reason though. > So, just be aware that tutoring may have access challenges too. > > You might want to see if working in the front desk of some offices is > doable. It depends on the duties and if they use paper forms. > > Good luck in finding a job. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- From: Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 1:35 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Kaiti Shelton > Subject: [nabs-l] Part time/campus jobs > > Hi all, > > I'm wondering if some of you who have done work study programs at your > universities could weigh in on this. Being just 13 credits shy of > earning my degree, I'll be a part time student this year. I'd like to > find a part time job on campus and do qualify for work study, but > there are also a lot of businesses within walking distance or a short > bus ride of campus that I could get to. My issue is that I'm having > difficulty finding something that I think I can do throughout the > semester for a few hours each week that is accessible. I had a > somewhat disastrous experience in my sophomore year with work study, > where I was hired to work in the computer lab for my department and > eventually was let go because due to an inaccessible main work station > I wasn't doing anything beyond babysitting the place (while that was a > big part of the job and the lab needed to be superfvised and cleaned > regularly, I wasn't able to edit and catalog the audio and video files > which are processed in the lab as well). A lot of the readily > available jobs I'm seeing in the listings are in cafeteria food prep, > and I'm slightly hesitant to apply for desk jobs because while I do > have secretarial and receptionist experience it has only been at > blindness agencies that made sure to supply braille extension lists > and the like. I know work study is practice for the real world, and > since I qualify for it I have just as much as a claim to a work study > position as a sighted student would, but a lot of the jobs seem to be > things that present with accessibility barriers that staff will not be > invested in sorting out for a short-term student employee, and I'm not > sure if battling them for it is really worth it if I can find > something that doesn't require so much effort just to get my foot in > the door. I'm also looking for something that goes all semester long; > the telethon positions were an idea I was going to pursue, but they > tend to have pique times of the semester and not do much else. > > I will say that my university has a wonderful disability services > office who I know would help with accessibility where they can. In > the last case there were legitimate reasons for the accessibility > being an issue that was just beyond anyone's control, but both the DS > office and the music department made a good effort to give me equal > work opportunities before we saw how unreasonable that would be for a > simple work study position. I also know what my rights are and how I > should be equally treated, but going into my last few classes and > prepping for my internship to follow, I really just don't want to > fight a long and hard battle to get into a job to make maybe $50 extra > each week. Maybe some would agree, but thinking ahead to my next > steps after college, I'm just not all that invested in potentially > fighting the good fight like I know I may have to do in the true > employment arena. I'm wondering if anyone has experience or positive > ideas of jobs that might be innately accessible or easily made > accessible. I'd prefer campus jobs but I'm willing to look out in the > community as well; I just know the majority of things like food prep > and waitressing are probably going to be hard for me to score, as > would be working in any type of store since products move and I can't > read the packaging. > > Tutoring is something I've already considered, and if I can find a > receptionist position that doesn't have a ton of print filing I could > potentially do that. I know the dorms need desk workers and have a > sign in sheet, but I might even be able to make the students fill out > paperwork more than usual and accommodate that way. What worries me > about that position is that the desk workers have to be a little > vigilant for anything shady that goes on, and I'm worried that the > potential for someone to take advantage of that would be very real and > considered a liability. My other idea that I'm still thinking of is > tour guide. I don't know if I'd get hired to do that one because they > tend to go for the stereotypical campus pride type of kids, and > although I don't make a bad poster child for my school I certainly am > out of the norm. Still, I know my campus and all its little shortcuts > very well and as long as I could get hired, I think I could do that. > I'm still interested in hearing what has worked for others in case > none of these leads pan out. Thanks in advance. > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu > From kmaent1 at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 00:07:51 2016 From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 20:07:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Part time/campus jobs Message-ID: <5786d7ed.16a3810a.e585b.2f1e@mx.google.com> Hi Kaiti, I second the tutoring suggestion. You might also look in to being a teaching assistant if your college has those. ANother thing you could try is being a research assistent for one of the professors. There would probably be accessibility challenges to working in say a biology lab, but I would imagine that it would be relatively easy to do this in psychology, and since you're a minor you probably know professors you could talk to about being their research assistent. Best, Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: "STOMBERG, KENNEDY via NABS-L" wrote: Hello, I did not qualify for work study but was eligible for part time work at my university, Marymount university. I had some of the same barriers you faced. I thought about working at the dorm desk as they needed desk staff to sign in visitors or student guests to the dorm. I did not apply because the job was too visual such as needing to check Ids at night. After midnight, you were supposed to scan your ID and show the desk worker. If your school has information desk jobs where you mainly answer questions, this may be a good fit. Tutoring may be an option. When I tried that at Northern Virginia community college though, the software system to track our tutees was partly inaccessible. Other tutors could make appointments but I could not. I was let go of that position for another reason though. So, just be aware that tutoring may have access challenges too. You might want to see if working in the front desk of some offices is doable. It depends on the duties and if they use paper forms. Good luck in finding a job. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 1:35 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Kaiti Shelton Subject: [nabs-l] Part time/campus jobs Hi all, I'm wondering if some of you who have done work study programs at your universities could weigh in on this. Being just 13 credits shy of earning my degree, I'll be a part time student this year. I'd like to find a part time job on campus and do qualify for work study, but there are also a lot of businesses within walking distance or a short bus ride of campus that I could get to. My issue is that I'm having difficulty finding something that I think I can do throughout the semester for a few hours each week that is accessible. I had a somewhat disastrous experience in my sophomore year with work study, where I was hired to work in the computer lab for my department and eventually was let go because due to an inaccessible main work station I wasn't doing anything beyond babysitting the place (while that was a big part of the job and the lab needed to be superfvised and cleaned regularly, I wasn't able to edit and catalog the audio and video files which are processed in the lab as well). A lot of the readily available jobs I'm seeing in the listings are in cafeteria food prep, and I'm slightly hesitant to apply for desk jobs because while I do have secretarial and receptionist experience it has only been at blindness agencies that made sure to supply braille extension lists and the like. I know work study is practice for the real world, and since I qualify for it I have just as much as a claim to a work study position as a sighted student would, but a lot of the jobs seem to be things that present with accessibility barriers that staff will not be invested in sorting out for a short-term student employee, and I'm not sure if battling them for it is really worth it if I can find something that doesn't require so much effort just to get my foot in the door. I'm also looking for something that goes all semester long; the telethon positions were an idea I was going to pursue, but they tend to have pique times of the semester and not do much else. I will say that my university has a wonderful disability services office who I know would help with accessibility where they can. In the last case there were legitimate reasons for the accessibility being an issue that was just beyond anyone's control, but both the DS office and the music department made a good effort to give me equal work opportunities before we saw how unreasonable that would be for a simple work study position. I also know what my rights are and how I should be equally treated, but going into my last few classes and prepping for my internship to follow, I really just don't want to fight a long and hard battle to get into a job to make maybe $50 extra each week. Maybe some would agree, but thinking ahead to my next steps after college, I'm just not all that invested in potentially fighting the good fight like I know I may have to do in the true employment arena. I'm wondering if anyone has experience or positive ideas of jobs that might be innately accessible or easily made accessible. I'd prefer campus jobs but I'm willing to look out in the community as well; I just know the majority of things like food prep and waitressing are probably going to be hard for me to score, as would be working in any type of store since products move and I can't read the packaging. Tutoring is something I've already considered, and if I can find a receptionist position that doesn't have a ton of print filing I could potentially do that. I know the dorms need desk workers and have a sign in sheet, but I might even be able to make the students fill out paperwork more than usual and accommodate that way. What worries me about that position is that the desk workers have to be a little vigilant for anything shady that goes on, and I'm worried that the potential for someone to take advantage of that would be very real and considered a liability. My other idea that I'm still thinking of is tour guide. I don't know if I'd get hired to do that one because they tend to go for the stereotypical campus pride type of kids, and although I don't make a bad poster child for my school I certainly am out of the norm. Still, I know my campus and all its little shortcuts very well and as long as I could get hired, I think I could do that. I'm still interested in hearing what has worked for others in case none of these leads pan out. Thanks in advance. _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink.net _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40 coe.edu _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma il.com From jsoro620 at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 00:20:19 2016 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 20:20:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] New year, new leadership; and we need your help! In-Reply-To: <62AF462F-6331-41D9-8371-E48FD50CE110@gmail.com> References: <037801d1dcf4$ed036a50$c70a3ef0$@gmail.com> <62AF462F-6331-41D9-8371-E48FD50CE110@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000501d1dd65$825d19f0$87174dd0$@gmail.com> Hi Shikha, I'm not sure that publicizing your complaints against the current state student president is the best way to go about generating support. Don't get me wrong. I don't like entitled leaders any more than anyone else, but there are more effective, and diplomatic, ways of voicing your concerns. If you've already tried talking to the student president, perhaps it would be worth taking your concerns to the affiliate president or someone on the affiliate board with whom you feel comfortable. Assuming none of that works, I would volunteer to spearhead the kind of changes you would like to see in your state. Actually, I would probably do that regardless. It would show your dedication to the cause regardless of your position as the state division's leader. If your work ethic is solid, people will notice, and it won't necessarily matter if your speech was great or not. Please don't take this as a lecture. I personally love mavericks, but even mavericks have to follow some decorum. I hope you'll take this as constructive advice. Best, Joe -- Musings of a Work in Progress: www.JoeOrozco.com/ Twitter: @ScribblingJoe -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shikha via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 9:09 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Shikha Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New year, new leadership; and we need your help! Hey, Can I please get the second Vice President contact information I am from Georgia and I would like to make our student association of Georgia better. Our president is not doing anything and I would like some help on becoming the next president for Georgia. I have tried becoming president in the past but my speach was not convincing. Thanks, Shikha. > On Jul 13, 2016, at 6:54 AM, NABS President via NABS-L wrote: > > > > NABS family, > > > > Happy Wednesday morning fellow students. For those of you > who were in Orlando last week, I hope you are catching up on sleep after an > incredible week at our National Convention! > > I am more than enthused to be serving each and every one of you for the next > two years as President of the National Association of Blind Students, the > proudest and greatest division within the National Federation of the Blind. > I am grateful for the support I have received over the past few months, and > am eager to embark on a journey with you as we improve the lives of blind > students across our nation. In this role, I want to hear from you. I want to > truly know your thoughts, concerns, and suggestions as we shape our > objectives for the next few years. > > > > I would like to take this opportunity to welcome our new leaders. Below, you > will find a list of the newly elected officers and board members, as well as > which affiliates they will be serving as a state liaison to. To clarify, > state liaisons are national student leaders who have the necessary tools to > create, grow, and refine student divisions. If you are in a state and have > no idea how to get involved in your local student division, we are here to > help. If you have questions or simply want to brainstorm ideas with someone, > our national student leaders are here to mentor you throughout. > > > > President: Kathryn Webster > > 1st Vice President: Bre Brown > > > Alabama > > > Louisiana > > > Oklahoma > > > South Carolina > > > Vermont > > > West Virginia > > > Wyoming > > 2nd Vice President: Syed Rizvi > > > Connecticut > > > Florida > > > Georgia > > > Massachusetts > > > North Carolina > > > Puerto Rico > > > Texas > > > > Treasurer: Luke Schwinck > > > Illinois > > > Indiana > > > Kansas > > > Montana > > > New York > > > Oregon > > > Virginia > > > > Secretary: Michael Ausbun > > > Alaska > > > Idaho > > > Kentucky > > > Missouri > > > Nebraska > > > Nevada > > > Tennessee > > > > Board Member 1: Vee Gaspa > > > Delaware > > > Iowa > > > New Hampshire > > > New Jersey > > > New Mexico > > > Wisconsin > > > > Board Member 2: Tarik Williams > > > DC > > > Maine > > > Mississippi > > > Pennsylvania > > > Rhode Island > > > Utah > > > > Board Member 3: Chris Nusbaum > > > Colorado > > > Hawaii > > > Maryland > > > Michigan > > > Minnesota > > > Washington > > > > Board Member 4: Bryan Duarte > > > Arkansas > > > Arizona > > > California > > > North Dakota > > > Ohio > > > South Dakota > > > > Congratulations to each of them! And, now, for where you come into play. The > National Association of Blind Students has three committees this year, all > of which need your help to be successful. I encourage you to consider > joining one of our committees, based on your preferences, skill set, and > interests. Please do reach out to the committee chairs, contact information > listed below, in order to dive into the work of our movement. > > > > Fundraising Committee: > > Chair: Luke Schwinck (luke.schwinck at hotmail.com > ) > > The most important part of any movement is funding that movement. > Therefore, the Fundraising Committee of the National Association of Blind > Students, a proud division of the National Federation of the Blind, is > paramount to effecting positive change for blind students in our nation. > This is illustrated by the majority of the NABS Board, beginning with their > involvement on the Fundraising Committee. We are seeking passionate, > creative, and hardworking students from all corners of the country to learn, > and lead alongside President Kathryn Webster and the NABS board. Our vision > for this year is to engage in a variety of ventures from grant writing to > hosting local and national fundraising events, and everything in between. > The majority of our committee’s work is creating, planning, and implementing > events such as Monte Carlo Night at national convention and NABS Café at > Washington Seminar, as well as making fundraising merchandise decisions. We > are anxious to share with you our experience, and knowledge with the sincere > hope that you will return the favor. This year on the fundraising committee > you can expect to work hard and have a great time doing it! > > > > Legislative Committee: > > Chair: Michael Ausbun (mausbun at nevada.unr.edu) > > Have you ever found yourself in a class where the materials were > inaccessible? Have you ever thought legislation, the political process, or > advocating for equality, opportunity, and security for blind students is > important? We need your help! The Legislative committee of the National > Association of Blind Students is looking for volunteers! We work closely > with the Governmental Affairs team at the National Federation of the Blind > Jernigan Institute, in order to facilitate the dialogue which leads to the > development of equitable policy. We will be focusing on our national agendas > from a student’s lens, and need your help doing so! > > > > Membership/Communications Committee: > > Chair: Bre Brown (bbrown at nfbtx.org) > > Are you interested in communicating with our membership, and facilitating > personal and professional development? How about insuring students have > access to resources to help them be successful? Join us! The > Membership/Communications Committee of the National Association of Blind > Students is looking for volunteers! Tasks include, though are not limited > to, planning and participating in membership calls, writing and gathering > blog posts, generating resources for student toolkits, development of > regional student programs, and membership outreach. This is a newly formed > committee, so it’s got a lot of reach to get your feet wet in something new > and fun! > > > > Thank you in advance for your efforts and contributions for ensuring that > blind students live the lives we want. > > Please reach out to me if you have any questions, want to chat, or have an > idea you’d like to throw around. I am eager to hear from you! > > > > Best, > > Kathryn Webster > > President | national Association of Blind Students > > (203) 273-8463 > > Nabs.president at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/desai1shikha%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com From alpineimagination at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 00:39:06 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 17:39:06 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] New year, new leadership; and we need your help! Message-ID: <5786df36.0304620a.4c9bf.ffffec15@mx.google.com> Agreed. Who=20knows?=20The=20student=20president=20could=20be=20on=20here=20and=20d= oesn't=20 need=20to=20feel=20like=20that. Vejas =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Joe=20via=20NABS-L=20=20wrote: =20NABS=20family, =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20Happy=20Wednesday=20morning= =20fellow=20students.=20=20For=20 those=20of=20you =20who=20were=20in=20Orlando=20last=20week,=20I=20hope=20you=20are=20catchi= ng=20up=20on=20 sleep=20after=20an =20incredible=20week=20at=20our=20National=20Convention! =20I=20am=20more=20than=20enthused=20to=20be=20serving=20each=20and=20every= =20one=20of=20you=20 for=20the=20next =20two=20years=20as=20President=20of=20the=20National=20Association=20of=20= Blind=20 Students,=20the =20proudest=20and=20greatest=20division=20within=20the=20National=20Federat= ion=20of=20 the=20Blind. =20I=20am=20grateful=20for=20the=20support=20I=20have=20received=20over=20t= he=20past=20few=20 months,=20and =20am=20eager=20to=20embark=20on=20a=20journey=20with=20you=20as=20we=20imp= rove=20the=20lives=20 of=20blind =20students=20across=20our=20nation.=20=20In=20this=20role,=20I=20want=20to= =20hear=20from=20 you.=20=20I=20want=20to =20truly=20know=20your=20thoughts,=20concerns,=20and=20suggestions=20as=20w= e=20shape=20 our =20objectives=20for=20the=20next=20few=20years. =20I=20would=20like=20to=20take=20this=20opportunity=20to=20welcome=20our=20= new=20 leaders.=20=20Below,=20you =20will=20find=20a=20list=20of=20the=20newly=20elected=20officers=20and=20b= oard=20 members,=20as=20well=20as =20which=20affiliates=20they=20will=20be=20serving=20as=20a=20state=20liais= on=20to.=20=20To=20 clarify, =20state=20liaisons=20are=20national=20student=20leaders=20who=20have=20the= =20 necessary=20tools=20to =20create,=20grow,=20and=20refine=20student=20divisions.=20=20If=20you=20ar= e=20in=20a=20 state=20and=20have =20no=20idea=20how=20to=20get=20involved=20in=20your=20local=20student=20di= vision,=20we=20 are=20here=20to =20help.=20=20If=20you=20have=20questions=20or=20simply=20want=20to=20brain= storm=20ideas=20 with=20someone, =20our=20national=20student=20leaders=20are=20here=20to=20mentor=20you=20th= roughout. =20President:=20Kathryn=20Webster =201st=20Vice=20President:=20Bre=20Brown =20Alabama =20Louisiana =20Oklahoma =20South=20Carolina =20Vermont =20West=20Virginia =20Wyoming =202nd=20Vice=20President:=20Syed=20Rizvi =20Connecticut =20Florida =20Georgia =20Massachusetts =20North=20Carolina =20Puerto=20Rico =20Texas =20Treasurer:=20Luke=20Schwinck =20Illinois =20Indiana =20Kansas =20Montana =20New=20York =20Oregon =20Virginia =20Secretary:=20Michael=20Ausbun =20Alaska =20Idaho =20Kentucky =20Missouri =20Nebraska =20Nevada =20Tennessee =20Board=20Member=201:=20Vee=20Gaspa =20Delaware =20Iowa =20New=20Hampshire =20New=20Jersey =20New=20Mexico =20Wisconsin =20Board=20Member=202:=20Tarik=20Williams =20DC =20Maine =20Mississippi =20Pennsylvania =20Rhode=20Island =20Utah =20Board=20Member=203:=20Chris=20Nusbaum =20Colorado =20Hawaii =20Maryland =20Michigan =20Minnesota =20Washington =20Board=20Member=204:=20Bryan=20Duarte =20Arkansas =20Arizona =20California =20North=20Dakota =20Ohio =20South=20Dakota =20Congratulations=20to=20each=20of=20them!=20And,=20now,=20for=20where=20y= ou=20come=20 into=20play.=20=20The =20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20has=20three=20committee= s=20this=20 year,=20all =20of=20which=20need=20your=20help=20to=20be=20successful.=20=20I=20encoura= ge=20you=20to=20 consider =20joining=20one=20of=20our=20committees,=20based=20on=20your=20preferences= ,=20skill=20 set,=20and =20interests.=20=20Please=20do=20reach=20out=20to=20the=20committee=20chair= s,=20contact=20 information =20listed=20below,=20in=20order=20to=20dive=20into=20the=20work=20of=20our= =20movement. =20Fundraising=20Committee: =20Chair:=20Luke=20Schwinck=20(luke.schwinck at hotmail.com =20=20) =20The=20most=20important=20part=20of=20any=20movement=20is=20funding=20tha= t=20 movement. =20Therefore,=20the=20Fundraising=20Committee=20of=20the=20National=20Assoc= iation=20 of=20Blind =20Students,=20a=20proud=20division=20of=20the=20National=20Federation=20of= =20the=20 Blind,=20is =20paramount=20to=20effecting=20positive=20change=20for=20blind=20students= =20in=20our=20 nation. =20This=20is=20illustrated=20by=20the=20majority=20of=20the=20NABS=20Board,= =20beginning=20 with=20their =20involvement=20on=20the=20Fundraising=20Committee.=20=20We=20are=20seekin= g=20 passionate, =20creative,=20and=20hardworking=20students=20from=20all=20corners=20of=20t= he=20 country=20to=20learn, =20and=20lead=20alongside=20President=20Kathryn=20Webster=20and=20the=20NAB= S=20board.=20=20 Our=20vision =20for=20this=20year=20is=20to=20engage=20in=20a=20variety=20of=20ventures= =20from=20grant=20 writing=20to =20hosting=20local=20and=20national=20fundraising=20events,=20and=20everyth= ing=20in=20 between. =20The=20majority=20of=20our=20committee=E2=80=99s=20work=20is=20creating,= =20planning,=20 and=20implementing =20events=20such=20as=20Monte=20Carlo=20Night=20at=20national=20convention= =20and=20NABS=20 Caf=C3=A9=20at =20Washington=20Seminar,=20as=20well=20as=20making=20fundraising=20merchand= ise=20 decisions.=20=20We =20are=20anxious=20to=20share=20with=20you=20our=20experience,=20and=20know= ledge=20with=20 the=20sincere =20hope=20that=20you=20will=20return=20the=20favor.=20=20This=20year=20on=20= the=20 fundraising=20committee =20you=20can=20expect=20to=20work=20hard=20and=20have=20a=20great=20time=20= doing=20it! =20Legislative=20Committee: =20Chair:=20Michael=20Ausbun=20(mausbun at nevada.unr.edu) =20Have=20you=20ever=20found=20yourself=20in=20a=20class=20where=20the=20ma= terials=20were =20inaccessible?=20Have=20you=20ever=20thought=20legislation,=20the=20polit= ical=20 process,=20or =20advocating=20for=20equality,=20opportunity,=20and=20security=20for=20bli= nd=20 students=20is =20important?=20We=20need=20your=20help!=20The=20Legislative=20committee=20= of=20the=20 National =20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20is=20looking=20for=20volunteers!=20= We=20work=20 closely =20with=20the=20Governmental=20Affairs=20team=20at=20the=20National=20Feder= ation=20of=20 the=20Blind =20Jernigan=20Institute,=20in=20order=20to=20facilitate=20the=20dialogue=20= which=20 leads=20to=20the =20development=20of=20equitable=20policy.=20=20We=20will=20be=20focusing=20= on=20our=20 national=20agendas =20from=20a=20student=E2=80=99s=20lens,=20and=20need=20your=20help=20doing= =20so! =20Membership/Communications=20Committee: =20Chair:=20Bre=20Brown=20(bbrown at nfbtx.org) =20Are=20you=20interested=20in=20communicating=20with=20our=20membership,=20= and=20 facilitating =20personal=20and=20professional=20development?=20How=20about=20insuring=20= students=20have =20access=20to=20resources=20to=20help=20them=20be=20successful?=20Join=20u= s!=20The =20Membership/Communications=20Committee=20of=20the=20National=20Associatio= n=20 of=20Blind =20Students=20is=20looking=20for=20volunteers!=20Tasks=20include,=20though= =20are=20 not=20limited =20to,=20planning=20and=20participating=20in=20membership=20calls,=20writin= g=20and=20 gathering =20blog=20posts,=20generating=20resources=20for=20student=20toolkits,=20 development=20of =20regional=20student=20programs,=20and=20membership=20outreach.=20=20This= =20is=20a=20 newly=20formed =20committee,=20so=20it=E2=80=99s=20got=20a=20lot=20of=20reach=20to=20get=20= your=20feet=20wet=20in=20 something=20new =20and=20fun! =20Thank=20you=20in=20advance=20for=20your=20efforts=20and=20contributions= =20for=20 ensuring=20that =20blind=20students=20live=20the=20lives=20we=20want. =20Please=20reach=20out=20to=20me=20if=20you=20have=20any=20questions,=20wa= nt=20to=20chat,=20 or=20have=20an =20idea=20you=E2=80=99d=20like=20to=20throw=20around.=20=20I=20am=20eager=20= to=20hear=20from=20you! =20Best, =20Kathryn=20Webster =20President=20|=20national=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students =20(203)=20273-8463 =20Nabs.president at gmail.com =20_______________________________________________ =20NABS-L=20mailing=20list =20NABS-L at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for=20NABS-L: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/desai1shikha% 40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L=20mailing=20list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for=20NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gm ail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L=20mailing=20list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for=20NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina tion%40gmail.com From jsoro620 at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 01:01:27 2016 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 21:01:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Transition to college In-Reply-To: <92F19DD1-6C7B-4591-8015-571D24381B37@gmail.com> References: <92F19DD1-6C7B-4591-8015-571D24381B37@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001401d1dd6b$403c5530$c0b4ff90$@gmail.com> 1. How smooth was your transition from high school to college? (Please explain) In some ways, it was too smooth. I came home at the end of that first semester with every grade possible. My new found freedom was more than I could handle, and the academic probation was a testament to my maturity, or lack thereof. I realize this is not blindness-specific, but it's the kind of thing that can compound a blind student's experience. I spent the rest of my undergraduate years lifting myself out of the little pit I'd built for myself. It's probably for this reason that I am an advocate of taking a gap year. Go do a church mission. Attend an NFB center. Get involved in AmeriCorps. Do something to adjust your view of life so that you can take college more seriously. Or, maybe it's just me. 2. What did/do you struggle with in college? (This could be academic or social or anything else college related) I had a difficult time with algebra. In high school I had been shown various ways to use alternative techniques to work with graphs, charts and complex equations, but in college it's as if I consumed a big-o glass of stupid. LOL I mean, it's only funny because at the end of it all I don't know who was more excited to see me complete my math requirements, me or the professor I habitually took the courses. Ironically, I never had trouble with my biology courses. I'm going to chalk it up to an ineffective algebra professor, but the truth is a lot of it rested on me. With one exception, my social life was decent. The crazy thing is that the one exception was a Hispanic fraternity. I mean, the nerve! Here I thought I would find a home with my brown brothers, but nope. They actually did more to make me feel like an outsider for being blind than anyone else in college. Wait, I'll own up to one other exception. There was this girl I really liked. She liked me, or she did until the blindness thing got in the way. She let me go on that account, and while I can now look back on it and count it as one worth losing, as a college freshman that was a hard pill to swallow. I'm glad the following February I attended my first Washington Seminar. That sounds a little too much like drinking from the NFB Cool-Ade, but it really did go a long way in fixing my little slump there. 3. What do you wish you had been told or taught before starting college? First, learn to manage your time before you get to college. All too soon you will be on your own determining what consumes your life, including when and if you show up to class. My junior year I was temporarily possessed. That's the only logical reason I can think of for taking a philosophy course at 8:00 AM. I must have missed a quarter of the classes in that course, and the only reason I got an A is because I study well under pressure, or so I like to tell myself. Second, learn how to take notes. It's not necessary to jot down every word spoken or even to record your class lecture. Nothing helped me learn how to take notes more than the year my Braille Note was missing in action. I got really good at the slate and stylus, but no matter how fast I became, I quickly learned to only take down major highlights. Third, learn how to read Braille! Again it may sound as though I'm guzzling from that NFB happy juice. I promise though it will be a skill you will be glad you acquired. Oral presentations, study habits, and proofreading will all benefit from your having learned how to make use of Braille. That's not something I had to be told or wish I'd been told, but it's something I often tell the college kids I've mentored. Next, don't be afraid to socialize. That would seem pretty self-explanatory, but college is one of the few points in your life when you will be able to move in and out of social circles with flexible ease. I mean, don't go to the extreme I experienced my first semester in college. Yet do not pass up opportunities to turn casual conversations in class to possible long-term friendships. The people who were curious as to why in hell I was writing backward with a slate and stylus were the ones I sometimes wound up throwing back a few drinks at a bar off campus. And, no, I am in no way suggesting you need a bar to be social, but follow your speed in whatever scenario makes you comfortable. Too often I think we make sighted people more of a barrier than they need to be. There have been many times when people later admitted they had not approached me sooner because I looked ticked off or rushed or generally unapproachable. People are curious about you and how you do things. If you don't educate them, their misconceptions may persist. Anyway, I hope that's helpful. Best, Joe -- Musings of a Work in Progress: www.JoeOrozco.com/ Twitter: @ScribblingJoe -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 3:21 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com Subject: [nabs-l] Transition to college Hey NABS! I am trying to collect some information and hoping that this may be a useful place to do so. I need to hear about people's experiences or thoughts on the process of transition, so here are some questions to help direct this discussion: 1. How smooth was your transition from high school to college? (Please explain) 2. What did/do you struggle with in college? (This could be academic or social or anything else college related) 3. What do you wish you had been told or taught before starting college? There are more questions but let's start with that. I would love to hear about these topics from everyone. And feel free to email me off list if necessary. Thanks much, Anna E Givens annajee82 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com From kaylaweathers51590 at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 02:44:44 2016 From: kaylaweathers51590 at gmail.com (Kayla Weathers) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 22:44:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] considering the possibility of adding either a windows tablet with JAWS or NVDA, or an iPad with Voice Over to my arsenal of tech gadgets. Message-ID: Hi NABS, I’m considering the possibility of adding either a windows tablet with JAWS or NVDA, or an iPad with Voice Over to my arsenal of tech gadgets. I would be pairing a Bluetooth keyboard with the device as well. In terms of productivity, I’d be interested to hear anyone’s experiences with using either of these devices. I’m particularly interested in features such as word processing (reading/writing/editing,) web browsing, emailing, and file sharing as well as the accessibility of accessing PDF documents. I appreciate and welcome any feedback. Thanks, Kayla -- Kayla Weathers. B.A. English Literature Dalton State College From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 03:46:51 2016 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 23:46:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Tennessee Asssociation of Blind Students Message-ID: <50ECDEBF-FD5A-4893-B391-9488E87E01E4@gmail.com> Hi all! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do any of yu know who is the President of the Tennessee Association of blind students? If so, do you know how can I contact him or her? I'm just wondering. I have a friend who is part of The Florida Association of Blind Students with me, but now she is moving to Tennessee. So I wanted to find information about the Tennessee Students division, so I can let my friend know about it! And maybe she decides to join. I will really appreciate any information you can give me regarding this matter! I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless! Helga Schreiber Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students. Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Skype: helga.schreiber26 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx INT Website: http://int4life.com/ "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.2 From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 03:46:51 2016 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 23:46:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Tennessee Asssociation of Blind Students Message-ID: <50ECDEBF-FD5A-4893-B391-9488E87E01E4@gmail.com> Hi all! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do any of yu know who is the President of the Tennessee Association of blind students? If so, do you know how can I contact him or her? I'm just wondering. I have a friend who is part of The Florida Association of Blind Students with me, but now she is moving to Tennessee. So I wanted to find information about the Tennessee Students division, so I can let my friend know about it! And maybe she decides to join. I will really appreciate any information you can give me regarding this matter! I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless! Helga Schreiber Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students. Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Skype: helga.schreiber26 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx INT Website: http://int4life.com/ "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.2 From alpineimagination at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 04:07:00 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 21:07:00 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Tennessee Asssociation of Blind Students Message-ID: <57870ff2.25eb420a.ba036.1855@mx.google.com> There should be a Tencessee student listserv on here. Just go to nfbnet, click join or drop listservs, and you'll find a huge list. Vejas ----- Original Message ----- From: Helga Schreiber via NABS-L References: <92F19DD1-6C7B-4591-8015-571D24381B37@gmail.com> <001401d1dd6b$403c5530$c0b4ff90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3132DF1499BF4E19ACEB2E80C5C1EA41@OwnerPC> Hi, Great advice, Joe for number three. I would have written the same thing about time management. I'll write my own answers sometime soon when I have time. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joe via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 9:01 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Joe Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transition to college 1. How smooth was your transition from high school to college? (Please explain) In some ways, it was too smooth. I came home at the end of that first semester with every grade possible. My new found freedom was more than I could handle, and the academic probation was a testament to my maturity, or lack thereof. I realize this is not blindness-specific, but it's the kind of thing that can compound a blind student's experience. I spent the rest of my undergraduate years lifting myself out of the little pit I'd built for myself. It's probably for this reason that I am an advocate of taking a gap year. Go do a church mission. Attend an NFB center. Get involved in AmeriCorps. Do something to adjust your view of life so that you can take college more seriously. Or, maybe it's just me. 2. What did/do you struggle with in college? (This could be academic or social or anything else college related) I had a difficult time with algebra. In high school I had been shown various ways to use alternative techniques to work with graphs, charts and complex equations, but in college it's as if I consumed a big-o glass of stupid. LOL I mean, it's only funny because at the end of it all I don't know who was more excited to see me complete my math requirements, me or the professor I habitually took the courses. Ironically, I never had trouble with my biology courses. I'm going to chalk it up to an ineffective algebra professor, but the truth is a lot of it rested on me. With one exception, my social life was decent. The crazy thing is that the one exception was a Hispanic fraternity. I mean, the nerve! Here I thought I would find a home with my brown brothers, but nope. They actually did more to make me feel like an outsider for being blind than anyone else in college. Wait, I'll own up to one other exception. There was this girl I really liked. She liked me, or she did until the blindness thing got in the way. She let me go on that account, and while I can now look back on it and count it as one worth losing, as a college freshman that was a hard pill to swallow. I'm glad the following February I attended my first Washington Seminar. That sounds a little too much like drinking from the NFB Cool-Ade, but it really did go a long way in fixing my little slump there. 3. What do you wish you had been told or taught before starting college? First, learn to manage your time before you get to college. All too soon you will be on your own determining what consumes your life, including when and if you show up to class. My junior year I was temporarily possessed. That's the only logical reason I can think of for taking a philosophy course at 8:00 AM. I must have missed a quarter of the classes in that course, and the only reason I got an A is because I study well under pressure, or so I like to tell myself. Second, learn how to take notes. It's not necessary to jot down every word spoken or even to record your class lecture. Nothing helped me learn how to take notes more than the year my Braille Note was missing in action. I got really good at the slate and stylus, but no matter how fast I became, I quickly learned to only take down major highlights. Third, learn how to read Braille! Again it may sound as though I'm guzzling from that NFB happy juice. I promise though it will be a skill you will be glad you acquired. Oral presentations, study habits, and proofreading will all benefit from your having learned how to make use of Braille. That's not something I had to be told or wish I'd been told, but it's something I often tell the college kids I've mentored. Next, don't be afraid to socialize. That would seem pretty self-explanatory, but college is one of the few points in your life when you will be able to move in and out of social circles with flexible ease. I mean, don't go to the extreme I experienced my first semester in college. Yet do not pass up opportunities to turn casual conversations in class to possible long-term friendships. The people who were curious as to why in hell I was writing backward with a slate and stylus were the ones I sometimes wound up throwing back a few drinks at a bar off campus. And, no, I am in no way suggesting you need a bar to be social, but follow your speed in whatever scenario makes you comfortable. Too often I think we make sighted people more of a barrier than they need to be. There have been many times when people later admitted they had not approached me sooner because I looked ticked off or rushed or generally unapproachable. People are curious about you and how you do things. If you don't educate them, their misconceptions may persist. Anyway, I hope that's helpful. Best, Joe -- Musings of a Work in Progress: www.JoeOrozco.com/ Twitter: @ScribblingJoe -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 3:21 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com Subject: [nabs-l] Transition to college Hey NABS! I am trying to collect some information and hoping that this may be a useful place to do so. I need to hear about people's experiences or thoughts on the process of transition, so here are some questions to help direct this discussion: 1. How smooth was your transition from high school to college? (Please explain) 2. What did/do you struggle with in college? (This could be academic or social or anything else college related) 3. What do you wish you had been told or taught before starting college? There are more questions but let's start with that. I would love to hear about these topics from everyone. And feel free to email me off list if necessary. Thanks much, Anna E Givens annajee82 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From david.thomas at davidthetechguy.com Thu Jul 14 05:43:40 2016 From: david.thomas at davidthetechguy.com (David Thomas) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 00:43:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Tennessee Asssociation of Blind Students In-Reply-To: <50ECDEBF-FD5A-4893-B391-9488E87E01E4@gmail.com> References: <50ECDEBF-FD5A-4893-B391-9488E87E01E4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <-2807443000202192936@unknownmsgid> Hello, If you did a quick google you would find the following. http://nfbtn.org/ This should provide answers to all your questions about Tn's student division. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2016, at 10:49 PM, Helga Schreiber via NABS-L wrote: Hi all! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do any of yu know who is the President of the Tennessee Association of blind students? If so, do you know how can I contact him or her? I'm just wondering. I have a friend who is part of The Florida Association of Blind Students with me, but now she is moving to Tennessee. So I wanted to find information about the Tennessee Students division, so I can let my friend know about it! And maybe she decides to join. I will really appreciate any information you can give me regarding this matter! I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless! Helga Schreiber Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students. Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Skype: helga.schreiber26 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx INT Website: http://int4life.com/ "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.2 _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/david.thomas%40davidthetechguy.com From josh.harpernfb at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 11:31:38 2016 From: josh.harpernfb at gmail.com (Josh Harper) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 06:31:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Tennessee Asssociation of Blind Students In-Reply-To: <-2807443000202192936@unknownmsgid> References: <50ECDEBF-FD5A-4893-B391-9488E87E01E4@gmail.com> <-2807443000202192936@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: The TABS president is: Shannon Hansen Phone: 615-249-8227 Email: president.tabs at nfb-tn.org On Thursday, July 14, 2016, David Thomas via NABS-L wrote: > Hello, > If you did a quick google you would find the following. > http://nfbtn.org/ > This should provide answers to all your questions about Tn's student > division. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 13, 2016, at 10:49 PM, Helga Schreiber via NABS-L < > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > wrote: > > Hi all! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do any of yu know who is > the President of the Tennessee Association of blind students? If so, do you > know how can I contact him or her? I'm just wondering. I have a friend who > is part of The Florida Association of Blind Students with me, but now she > is moving to Tennessee. So I wanted to find information about the > Tennessee Students division, so I can let my friend know about it! And > maybe she decides to join. I will really appreciate any information you can > give me regarding this matter! I look forward in hearing from you soon. > Thanks and God bless! > > Helga Schreiber > > Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind > Students. > Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). > Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. > Phone: (561) 706-5950 > Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com > Skype: helga.schreiber26 > 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx > INT Website: http://int4life.com/ > > "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever > believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 > Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.2 > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/david.thomas%40davidthetechguy.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/josh.harpernfb%40gmail.com > From kaybaycar at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 13:22:11 2016 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 09:22:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] {Spam?} Re: Transition to college In-Reply-To: <001401d1dd6b$403c5530$c0b4ff90$@gmail.com> References: <92F19DD1-6C7B-4591-8015-571D24381B37@gmail.com> <001401d1dd6b$403c5530$c0b4ff90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Anna and all, I'll take a stab at this one. 1. How smooth was your transition from high school to college? (Please explain) Smooth for the most part. I found a group of wonderful friends almost right off the bat, and my classes did not challenge me as much as my high school courses did. (Most college students will tell you the exact opposite, but this was my experience.) My college did not want me to use Braille in my classes. They thought that I could learn music only by ear, and I went along with them until I suffered in my musicianship classes. Funny thing about sight reading: it isn't sight reading (or touch reading if you will) if you hear it ahead of time. Eventually, I added a major, made even more friends, and although I never quite got used to living in a dorm, I was able to find direction and normalcy as a freshman. 2. What did/do you struggle with in college? (This could be academic or social or anything else college related) I struggle with procrastination, the need to be challenged, perfectionism, and confidence. I love school, and I've always been enthusiastic about learning. Yes, I am a nerd. I would get myself into stressful situations because I procrastinate and then cram or write at the last minute. I don't need to study as much as some might, so I have not developed good study habits. I learned Braille music behind my classmates. Whereas my colleagues began learning to sight read the fall of our freshman year, I had to pick it up a semester behind them while remaining in the same rotation. Eventually, I was able to take a semester off from that one class and work with a professor individually. I also spent a lot of time managing my accommodations. Music and language majors can be some of the most difficult to manage as a blind student. I faught for Braille music, advocated so that I could have technology that would allow me to compose music for my classes, managed readers for music theory, and always struggled to find German books in Braille. And then we had conducting, German culture classes involving films, and my performance classes. I know the disability services office didn't treat me this way and didn't consider me to be particularly difficult, but I did feel like a burden on my undergrad university. 3. What do you wish you had been told or taught before starting college? Do your best to know the accommodations you will need, why you need them, and how you will get them. You cannot rely on others to do this for you because they do not know you and they will be wrong. Learn and use Braille! Yeah, copy cat here. And I don't have a problem falling in line with the NFB's adoration of Braille. I would have failed as a music major without Braille. Reading aloud, giving confident presentations, and observing spelling and sentence structure are invaluable skills. Also, I have always found that taking notes with a head phone in one ear distracted me completely. If I really wanted to take notes and listen to the presentations, then I use my note taker. And now you all know my secret... Do not allow professors to make you feel less because you are blind. We have a right to be in their classes, and we want to work with them to create a positive situation for everyone. I say this because I was told over and over again that I should seek out acting lessons, should find someone to work with me on performing techniques, and that my opera professors didn't have the resources to work with me. I was also told that I would always count rhythms badly because of my blindness. To this day I still have a counting complex, though now I truly believe that I am that soprano who makes up her own rhythms. :) The moral of that story? Believe in your own worth. Listen to criticism, but do not believe that your blindness lessens what you can do. It's just one characteristic of who we are. I hope that helps! Can I just be a college student again? :) On 7/13/16, Joe via NABS-L wrote: > 1. How smooth was your transition from high school to college? (Please > explain) > > In some ways, it was too smooth. I came home at the end of that first > semester with every grade possible. My new found freedom was more than I > could handle, and the academic probation was a testament to my maturity, or > lack thereof. I realize this is not blindness-specific, but it's the kind > of > thing that can compound a blind student's experience. I spent the rest of > my > undergraduate years lifting myself out of the little pit I'd built for > myself. It's probably for this reason that I am an advocate of taking a gap > year. Go do a church mission. Attend an NFB center. Get involved in > AmeriCorps. Do something to adjust your view of life so that you can take > college more seriously. Or, maybe it's just me. > > 2. What did/do you struggle with in college? (This could be academic or > social or anything else college related) > > I had a difficult time with algebra. In high school I had been shown > various > ways to use alternative techniques to work with graphs, charts and complex > equations, but in college it's as if I consumed a big-o glass of stupid. > LOL > I mean, it's only funny because at the end of it all I don't know who was > more excited to see me complete my math requirements, me or the professor I > habitually took the courses. Ironically, I never had trouble with my > biology > courses. I'm going to chalk it up to an ineffective algebra professor, but > the truth is a lot of it rested on me. > > With one exception, my social life was decent. The crazy thing is that the > one exception was a Hispanic fraternity. I mean, the nerve! Here I thought > I > would find a home with my brown brothers, but nope. They actually did more > to make me feel like an outsider for being blind than anyone else in > college. > > Wait, I'll own up to one other exception. There was this girl I really > liked. She liked me, or she did until the blindness thing got in the way. > She let me go on that account, and while I can now look back on it and > count > it as one worth losing, as a college freshman that was a hard pill to > swallow. I'm glad the following February I attended my first Washington > Seminar. That sounds a little too much like drinking from the NFB Cool-Ade, > but it really did go a long way in fixing my little slump there. > > 3. What do you wish you had been told or taught before starting college? > > First, learn to manage your time before you get to college. All too soon > you > will be on your own determining what consumes your life, including when and > if you show up to class. My junior year I was temporarily possessed. That's > the only logical reason I can think of for taking a philosophy course at > 8:00 AM. I must have missed a quarter of the classes in that course, and > the > only reason I got an A is because I study well under pressure, or so I like > to tell myself. > > Second, learn how to take notes. It's not necessary to jot down every word > spoken or even to record your class lecture. Nothing helped me learn how to > take notes more than the year my Braille Note was missing in action. I got > really good at the slate and stylus, but no matter how fast I became, I > quickly learned to only take down major highlights. > > Third, learn how to read Braille! Again it may sound as though I'm guzzling > from that NFB happy juice. I promise though it will be a skill you will be > glad you acquired. Oral presentations, study habits, and proofreading will > all benefit from your having learned how to make use of Braille. That's not > something I had to be told or wish I'd been told, but it's something I > often > tell the college kids I've mentored. > > Next, don't be afraid to socialize. That would seem pretty > self-explanatory, > but college is one of the few points in your life when you will be able to > move in and out of social circles with flexible ease. I mean, don't go to > the extreme I experienced my first semester in college. Yet do not pass up > opportunities to turn casual conversations in class to possible long-term > friendships. The people who were curious as to why in hell I was writing > backward with a slate and stylus were the ones I sometimes wound up > throwing > back a few drinks at a bar off campus. And, no, I am in no way suggesting > you need a bar to be social, but follow your speed in whatever scenario > makes you comfortable. Too often I think we make sighted people more of a > barrier than they need to be. There have been many times when people later > admitted they had not approached me sooner because I looked ticked off or > rushed or generally unapproachable. People are curious about you and how > you > do things. If you don't educate them, their misconceptions may persist. > > Anyway, I hope that's helpful. > > Best, > > Joe > > -- > Musings of a Work in Progress: > www.JoeOrozco.com/ > > Twitter: @ScribblingJoe > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via > NABS-L > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 3:21 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com > Subject: [nabs-l] Transition to college > > Hey NABS! > > I am trying to collect some information and hoping that this may be a > useful > place to do so. I need to hear about people's experiences or thoughts on > the > process of transition, so here are some questions to help direct this > discussion: > > 1. How smooth was your transition from high school to college? (Please > explain) > > 2. What did/do you struggle with in college? (This could be academic or > social or anything else college related) > > 3. What do you wish you had been told or taught before starting college? > > There are more questions but let's start with that. > > I would love to hear about these topics from everyone. And feel free to > email me off list if necessary. > > Thanks much, > > Anna E Givens > annajee82 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie A. McGinnity President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division, Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri "For we walk by faith, not by sight" 2 Cor. 7 From eemcrew at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 17:03:00 2016 From: eemcrew at gmail.com (Ellana Crew) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 13:03:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] German Teen Losing Vision Message-ID: <0DA51639-7B2D-4A65-AADD-481E21AE6E0E@gmail.com> Hi there everyone, I'd like to seek some advice from my federation friends. I run a blindness blog on Tumblr, and today, A 15-year-old in Germany reached out to me about losing their vision. I helped them quite a lot and gave them some information about the Federation, as well as a lot of information about training centers. But it wasn't until after this that they told me they are in Germany, so I am not sure how else to help. They sounded extremely interested in all of this, especially about training, but I don't know about anything like what we have here internationally. Does anybody know if there is quality training available in Germany or another place nearby, or something else we can do for them? I am hoping to find international resources, or perhaps someway to send them to one of our summer programs, but I am on sure how any of that would work. If anybody has any information on this or knows of somebody that might be a better person to talk to, please let me know! Ellana Crew, Secretary Maryland Association of Blind Students From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 17:10:47 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 13:10:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Transition to college Message-ID: <5787c7b8.05f50d0a.e3eb.573b@mx.google.com> Hi Anna thanks for your message. I began my transition to college in May of 2011 after I graduated from high school. My two counselors from the Division Of Blind Services worked tirelessly to make sure that everything was in place for me to start college. Before starting college I wish I had known more about independent living skills. I still struggle with time management but I try to use my time wisely. From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 17:11:06 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 13:11:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] German Teen Losing Vision Message-ID: <5787c7cc.05f50d0a.e3eb.5756@mx.google.com> Encourage them to join the mailing list on the Nfb net server for blind international students. From kaybaycar at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 17:34:22 2016 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 13:34:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] German Teen Losing Vision In-Reply-To: <5787c7cc.05f50d0a.e3eb.5756@mx.google.com> References: <5787c7cc.05f50d0a.e3eb.5756@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Ellana, I can see if I can help. I do not know where this person is in Germany or what their circumstances may be, but I did visit a school for the blind while I was there that works with people on Braille and technology skills. I even went to a store where they sold canes and talking devices. I don't know how much I can help now... But I do speak German and have some connections with whom I may be able to connect this person. It would also be a good idea to see how we can get them to a center if that is what they want. Students can certainly come here to study if they have the right resources. When I visited Germany, I was quite the novelty. Blind German teens do not usually go to Gymnasiums (pronounced with a hard G). The gymnasiums are the most academically advanced high schools in the country, and they do not generally take blind students. Things could be different by now though... I went to Germany in 2008. I'm getting old! :) Let me know if I can do anything to help! On 7/14/16, roanna bacchus via NABS-L wrote: > Encourage them to join the mailing list on the Nfb net server for > blind international students. > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie A. McGinnity President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division, Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri "For we walk by faith, not by sight" 2 Cor. 7 From dandrews at visi.com Thu Jul 14 17:59:03 2016 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 12:59:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Learn for Free: NVDA video tutorials now available Message-ID: This may be of use to some of you. I have listened to one of the tutorials, and it seemed pretty good. Dave > >From: AFB >[mailto:communications=afb.net at mail105.suw13.rsgsv.net] On Behalf Of AFB >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 5:03 AM >To: Andrews, David B (DEED) >Subject: Learn for Free: NVDA video tutorials now available > > > > > > > > >Image removed by sender. > > > > >Image removed by sender. Photos of a man and woman using comput > > > >AFB Announces Learn NVDA, Free Online Video Tutorials > > > >The American Foundation for the Blind is pleased >to announce the availability of Learn NVDA, a >series of FREE online video tutorials designed >to help people who are blind or visually >impaired learn how to use the computer and/or improve their computer skills. > >The Learn NVDA tutorials cover how to use NVDA >(Non Visual Desktop Access), a free screen >reader. The Learn NVDA tutorials will teach a >person who is blind or visually impaired and >entirely new to NVDA how to independently >install the program and learn how to use it. Learn NVDA tutorials cover: >How to install NVDA on a computer >How to navigate Microsoft Windows with NVDA >How to use NVDA Hotkeys >How to install and use the Firefox Internet browser >How to use Microsoft Word and Excel with NVDA >Each tutorial contains step-by step instructions >with audio of a presenter using NVDA and video >of the computer screen. Additional tutorials from AFB will be available soon. > >To learn more, or to share information about >Learn NVDA with people who may be interested in >using the tutorials, go >towww.afb.org/learnnvda. > >Learn NVDA was made possible with support from >the Consumer Technology Association Foundation. >AFB is also pleased to partner with Lion’s >Club International Foundation to support >technology literacy. Together, we are working to >create a more accessible, inclusive world for people with vision loss. > > > > > > > > > >Image removed by sender. > > > > >Image removed by sender. > > > > > >Unsubscribe instructionsYou can unsubscribe at >any time. To remove your name from this mailing >list, or to find out what other newsletters are >available from AFB, >visithttp://www.afb.org/myafbnewsletter.aspx. > >Remove >me immediately from all AFB lists (you will no >longer receive any messages from AFB if you click on this link) > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: f36fd7.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3991 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: f36ff6.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1303 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Blind students would often work in a sheltered workshop, and, while in class, their mothers were often their aides (embarrassing!) Vejas ----- Original Message ----- From: Julie McGinnity via NABS-L wrote: Encourage them to join the mailing list on the Nfb net server for blind international students. _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40g mail.com -- Julie A. McGinnity President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division, Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri "For we walk by faith, not by sight" 2 Cor. 7 _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina tion%40gmail.com From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 21:09:26 2016 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 17:09:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] considering the possibility of adding either a windows tablet with JAWS or NVDA, or an iPad with Voice Over to my arsenal of tech gadgets. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Kayla, I know what i might say might spark some controversy in light of resolution 2016-4, but I think it has value so I'm going to go for it just as my personal opinion. I would go with a good IPad hands down. The windows tablets I have seen have not been as functional and have had more issues in the OS, and though you could use NVDA which is free, you could have voiceover already installed on the IPad. There are plenty of different word processing applications for the IPad and other apple products that work well, including MS Word and Pages. Access Note is a free word processing app the AFB put out that works quite well, and the notes app isn't horrible itself for things less important than term papers. Each would have its merrits, but I personally think the IPad is more user-friendly especially using it in the ways you're describing. HTH. On 7/13/16, Kayla Weathers via NABS-L wrote: > Hi NABS, > I’m considering the possibility of adding either a windows tablet with > JAWS or NVDA, or an iPad with Voice Over to my arsenal of tech > gadgets. I would be pairing a Bluetooth keyboard with the device as > well. In terms of productivity, I’d be interested to hear anyone’s > experiences with using either of these devices. I’m particularly > interested in features such as word processing > (reading/writing/editing,) web browsing, emailing, and file sharing as > well as the accessibility of accessing PDF documents. I appreciate and > welcome any feedback. > Thanks, Kayla > -- > Kayla Weathers. > B.A. English Literature > Dalton State College > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti Shelton From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 21:26:33 2016 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 17:26:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Part time/campus jobs In-Reply-To: <5786d7ed.16a3810a.e585b.2f1e@mx.google.com> References: <5786d7ed.16a3810a.e585b.2f1e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi all, Thanks so much for your suggestions. What is really tripping me up is the fact that I'm in a different academic position now, being a part time student. I've done some more digging and found a few things: Telecounselors are only hired as full-time students, so being part time I don't qualify. Tutoring is only for certain gen ed subjects, but you need faculty recommendations and a certain GPA in the course. My strongest knowledge base is in psychology, but it could potentially be problematic because I took AP psych in my junior year of high school and therefore don't have a GPA for the class. Music tutoring/teaching. This is unfortunately not going to work for a few reasons. My department requires any student who wants to teach to gain approval from their applied instructor, and not that I couldn't do it for a beginning student, but as I've got to give my recital this semester I think my instructor would prefer I focus on my own playing. I'd agree with her there, but it could work next semester potentially as something on the side. I also could do basic music tutoring perhaps for younger school kids, but tutoring for courses like music therory is also handled by the department. Each year the top two students who have finished the theory sequence of classes are offered tutoring positions, so it's more selective and you don't really have the option to apply to just tutor theory 1 or theory 1 and 2 (the ones I was good at). Sadly, music history, ethnomusicology, and the pedagogy classes I really excelled in and found interesting don't have tutoring offered, and though I think it would be a great idea for some of these classes to have TA positions they don't really do that much in our department. The DS office is still up for consideration, and I know they have jaws available to put on the work station. I almost applied for an office position there a few years ago, and I think the only thing my DS counselor said I couldn't do would be filing papers and making copies, but I could use Abby Fine Reader to edit textbooks, sign students in and out for testing, work the phones, and run test delivery across campus. She said that if I took the job my inability to work with filing print papers wouldn't be a problem and it could be left for sighted team members to do on their time, while I perhaps took on a little more book editing responsibilities or delivered more tests. As for the potential negative perceptions about working in the DS office as a disabled student, I'm not too worried there as my career will also involve working with people who have disabilities too anyway; I'm already heading down that path so why not? :) Tour guide is something I've actually gotten a pretty good response about when I mentioned it to a prof. I'm not the stereotypical tour guide for sure, but they said I definitely know the campus and have the enthusiasm for it. Honestly my major might be my biggest obstacle there, as I know they typically try to get guides in the majors that they want to talk up, like engineering, education, and business. Looking off campus-I found a position at the local Easter Seals facility that could be promising if all works out. I plan to call career services tomorrow to discuss this as well as the on campus options, and will see what they think. On 7/13/16, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L wrote: > Hi Kaiti, > > I second the tutoring suggestion. You might also look in to > being a teaching assistant if your college has those. ANother > thing you could try is being a research assistent for one of the > professors. There would probably be accessibility challenges to > working in say a biology lab, but I would imagine that it would > be relatively easy to do this in psychology, and since you're a > minor you probably know professors you could talk to about being > their research assistent. > > Best, > Karl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "STOMBERG, KENNEDY via NABS-L" To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 18:01:14 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Part time/campus jobs > > Hello, Kaiti, > > I tutored at my college, and there were no access barrious, and > I loved > it! The Academic Acheivement Office at my school kept track of > who was > tutoring who, and I got the phone numbers of my tutees, so we > scheduled > appointments that way. I loved it, because that way, my tutees > could text > me questions at ay time, especially before a test. This was > something that > the Academic Acheivement Office at my college did for every > student, not > just me. So, if you want to tutor, and your schinol has weird > software like > Ashley's, you might be able to schedule appointments this way. > > Being a tourguiee might also be a lovely option, especially if > you know > your campus. You expressed a concern that you might not be what > your school > is looking for. But I think you she apply anyway. Admissions > offices are > always looking for a variety of students to give tours. > > Bottom line, if you think you can be successful at a job, just > apply for > it! The worst they can say is no, right? > > Good luck! > Kennedy Stomberg > > On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L < > nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > Hello, > > I did not qualify for work study but was eligible for part time > work at my > university, Marymount university. > I had some of the same barriers you faced. I thought about > working at the > dorm desk as they needed desk staff to sign in visitors or > student guests > to the dorm. > I did not apply because the job was too visual such as needing > to check > Ids at night. After midnight, you were supposed to scan your ID > and show > the desk worker. > If your school has information desk jobs where you mainly answer > questions, this may be a good fit. > > Tutoring may be an option. When I tried that at Northern > Virginia > community college though, the software system to track our > tutees was > partly inaccessible. Other tutors could make appointments but I > could not. > I was let go of that position for another reason though. > So, just be aware that tutoring may have access challenges too. > > You might want to see if working in the front desk of some > offices is > doable. It depends on the duties and if they use paper forms. > > Good luck in finding a job. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- From: Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 1:35 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Kaiti Shelton > Subject: [nabs-l] Part time/campus jobs > > Hi all, > > I'm wondering if some of you who have done work study programs > at your > universities could weigh in on this. Being just 13 credits shy > of > earning my degree, I'll be a part time student this year. I'd > like to > find a part time job on campus and do qualify for work study, > but > there are also a lot of businesses within walking distance or a > short > bus ride of campus that I could get to. My issue is that I'm > having > difficulty finding something that I think I can do throughout > the > semester for a few hours each week that is accessible. I had a > somewhat disastrous experience in my sophomore year with work > study, > where I was hired to work in the computer lab for my department > and > eventually was let go because due to an inaccessible main work > station > I wasn't doing anything beyond babysitting the place (while that > was a > big part of the job and the lab needed to be superfvised and > cleaned > regularly, I wasn't able to edit and catalog the audio and video > files > which are processed in the lab as well). A lot of the readily > available jobs I'm seeing in the listings are in cafeteria food > prep, > and I'm slightly hesitant to apply for desk jobs because while I > do > have secretarial and receptionist experience it has only been at > blindness agencies that made sure to supply braille extension > lists > and the like. I know work study is practice for the real world, > and > since I qualify for it I have just as much as a claim to a work > study > position as a sighted student would, but a lot of the jobs seem > to be > things that present with accessibility barriers that staff will > not be > invested in sorting out for a short-term student employee, and > I'm not > sure if battling them for it is really worth it if I can find > something that doesn't require so much effort just to get my > foot in > the door. I'm also looking for something that goes all semester > long; > the telethon positions were an idea I was going to pursue, but > they > tend to have pique times of the semester and not do much else. > > I will say that my university has a wonderful disability > services > office who I know would help with accessibility where they can. > In > the last case there were legitimate reasons for the > accessibility > being an issue that was just beyond anyone's control, but both > the DS > office and the music department made a good effort to give me > equal > work opportunities before we saw how unreasonable that would be > for a > simple work study position. I also know what my rights are and > how I > should be equally treated, but going into my last few classes > and > prepping for my internship to follow, I really just don't want > to > fight a long and hard battle to get into a job to make maybe $50 > extra > each week. Maybe some would agree, but thinking ahead to my > next > steps after college, I'm just not all that invested in > potentially > fighting the good fight like I know I may have to do in the true > employment arena. I'm wondering if anyone has experience or > positive > ideas of jobs that might be innately accessible or easily made > accessible. I'd prefer campus jobs but I'm willing to look out > in the > community as well; I just know the majority of things like food > prep > and waitressing are probably going to be hard for me to score, > as > would be working in any type of store since products move and I > can't > read the packaging. > > Tutoring is something I've already considered, and if I can find > a > receptionist position that doesn't have a ton of print filing I > could > potentially do that. I know the dorms need desk workers and > have a > sign in sheet, but I might even be able to make the students > fill out > paperwork more than usual and accommodate that way. What > worries me > about that position is that the desk workers have to be a little > vigilant for anything shady that goes on, and I'm worried that > the > potential for someone to take advantage of that would be very > real and > considered a liability. My other idea that I'm still thinking > of is > tour guide. I don't know if I'd get hired to do that one > because they > tend to go for the stereotypical campus pride type of kids, and > although I don't make a bad poster child for my school I > certainly am > out of the norm. Still, I know my campus and all its little > shortcuts > very well and as long as I could get hired, I think I could do > that. > I'm still interested in hearing what has worked for others in > case > none of these leads pan out. Thanks in advance. > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > NABS-L: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40 > coe.edu > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti Shelton From jhud7789 at outlook.com Fri Jul 15 04:39:28 2016 From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 04:39:28 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] considering the possibility of adding either a windows tablet with JAWS or NVDA, or an iPad with Voice Over to my arsenal of tech gadgets. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I second the first suggestion that was given to Michaela. The iPad would be the good way to go for what you're wanting to do. And then I always recommend the Apple Bluetooth keyboard as is me most easiest keyboard to work in my opinion. And if you're going to go down the road of Apple, and eventually get a Mac computer you will definitely want to do an Apple keyboard hands down. As it will give you a good feel of how and Matt will operate once you get one. Joseph Hudson Email jhud7789 at gmail.com I device support Telephone 2543007667 Skype joseph.hudson89 facebook https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 Twitter https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 FaceTime/iMessage jhud7789 at yahoo.com On Jul 13, 2016, at 9:44 PM, Kayla Weathers via NABS-L > wrote: Hi NABS, I’m considering the possibility of adding either a windows tablet with JAWS or NVDA, or an iPad with Voice Over to my arsenal of tech gadgets. I would be pairing a Bluetooth keyboard with the device as well. In terms of productivity, I’d be interested to hear anyone’s experiences with using either of these devices. I’m particularly interested in features such as word processing (reading/writing/editing,) web browsing, emailing, and file sharing as well as the accessibility of accessing PDF documents. I appreciate and welcome any feedback. Thanks, Kayla -- Kayla Weathers. B.A. English Literature Dalton State College _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Fri Jul 15 19:27:54 2016 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 15:27:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Thunderbird Email Client Questions Message-ID: <608D175A-DDA7-4693-9931-CED90B5CEC22@gmail.com> Hi all! How are you all? Do anyone here use the thunderbird email clients for your email accounts? If so, what are the steps in using it? I'm just wondering since I install it last night on my windows 10 computer. Now I'm using JAWS 17 on my computer,and I don't know is this client compatible with JAWs? Someone told me that thunderbird is the same as Windows Live mail 2012, but my problem is that I want to go back to my foldrs, change between email accounts since I have two email accounts, and go to my settings in order to change soem settings. In other words, I want to go read my hotmail account,and then go to my gmail when I want,adn vise versa guys! I use to have my hotmail email account on Windows Livemail 2012, but it does not work anymore since Windows Live mail 2012 does not work anymore with a micrsoft account. So I decided to get Thunderbird eamil client is my other option as a free client. I will really appreciate it if you can help me with this matter guys! I want to use Thunderbird as I used Windows live mail. I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless! Helga Schreiber Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students. Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Skype: helga.schreiber26 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx INT Website: http://int4life.com/ "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.2 From jhud7789 at outlook.com Sat Jul 16 04:13:01 2016 From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 04:13:01 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] blindsquare vs seeing eye gps In-Reply-To: References: <5781169a.840e420a.37269.ffffd552@mx.google.com> <1EA06B3F-8315-4FD6-8D95-B3ADA6DF01ED@gmail.com> <008f01d1d975$fa2bcab0$ee836010$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi James, I'm glad that you've had success and talking with the lines where developer team. I would also like to point out, he has a mailing list as well below will be going to where anybody can join.http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com Joseph Hudson Email jhud7789 at gmail.com I device support Telephone 2543007667 Skype joseph.hudson89 facebook https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 Twitter https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 FaceTime/iMessage jhud7789 at yahoo.com On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:38 PM, James Alan Boehm via NABS-L > wrote: Good day. Here is my experience with the actual app and then with the companies. As far as apps, I hav eonly used Blind Square. It is relatively easy to use and is very effective. I use it quite often when looking for businesses or buildings on my campus.The Blind Square team are very customer oriented and friendly. If you contact them with an issue, they respond within the day if not sooner. I have been really happy with it’s abilities and features. Now the Seeing Eye app I have not tried. I wanted to though.Last year, I contacted the Sendero and the Seeing Eye app team and asked them if I could have a demo or trail version to see if I like the app before purchasing. After 3 emails and one month later they finally responded. I also told them that I was organizing a state convention and that it would be a great opportunity to promote the app and let some folks try the app; I even offerred to promote and have a discussion on the app. Their reply was, and this was March, that they had already expended all that they could to give out trial or demo version. They said they would not be interested and stated taht people should just purchase the app if they want to try it.Not very customer service oriented. Now notice the difference. I contacted Blind Square They immediately contacted me on the same day and said we would love to have you promote our app at your convention. In fact, they said we will make our app free to all of your attendants at the convention so that anyone can try it out. Plus, they gave us several full version codes that we could give away as door prizes. So here are my thoughts. Blind Square’s customer satisfaction and service far surpasses the other. Also, Blind Square’s app works wonderfully with many great and easy to use features. Thus, I highly recommend the Blind Square app Thanks James Alan Boehm Contact Information: Phone: 901-483-1515 Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com NFB Email: secretary at nfb-tn.org Kustom Cane: kustomcane at gmail.com Blindness never limits-low expectations do! Live the life you want! On Jul 8, 2016, at 7:08 PM, justin via NABS-L > wrote: Does anyone know anything about how good the Seeing eye gps app is? I hear it is great. Has anyone used it? Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alosha Moore via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:34 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Alosha Moore > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blindsquare vs seeing eye gps Good evening Petras: I believe most people would choose to pay for one or the other, making it difficult to compare by one person. I personally use BlindSquare in my travels and love it. It's a great app for planning roots as well as exploring new locations spontaneously.One thing I love about blind square, is it's incorporation of other apps such as maps or Google maps, whichever you prefer and Uber or other local public transit options. I've also found it to work accurately abroad and easy to use and would highly recommend it. Best, Alosha. Sent from my iPhone. On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:22 AM, petras via NABS-L > wrote: Hi, I've been interested in buying the Blind square app, but I would like to know the difference between both apps. Which one is better? I had jaws training almost a month ago and discussed about the app. _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aloshamoorenfb%40gmail.c om _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jab2bs%40mtmail.mtsu.edu _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com From jameyanne at gmail.com Sat Jul 16 23:34:21 2016 From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 19:34:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] blindsquare vs seeing eye gps In-Reply-To: References: <5781169a.840e420a.37269.ffffd552@mx.google.com> <1EA06B3F-8315-4FD6-8D95-B3ADA6DF01ED@gmail.com> <008f01d1d975$fa2bcab0$ee836010$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001801d1dfba$94ec99e0$bec5cda0$@gmail.com> Hi everyone, I've never used Blind Square, but I did try out the Seeing Eye GPS on my iPhone 6S last fall. I got it for only one month, and I'm glad I did it that way, because it was horrible. I tried it at first on a route I was familiar with, to see how it worked, and it had no idea where I was and kept trying to send me in the completely wrong direction. I've also heard from other Seeing Eye grads that it really drains your battery and isn't all that accurate, as I discovered. After reading this thread though, I think I'll give Blind Square a try. How much does it cost, and am I right in assuming from what James said below that there's a trial version? Also, probably should have said this first, but I'm new to this list. The convention a few weeks ago was my first experience with NFB and I loved it. So hi. I'm looking forward to talking with and learning from all of you. Jameyanne Fuller jameyanne at gmail.com www.jameyannefuller.com -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 12:13 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Joseph Hudson Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blindsquare vs seeing eye gps Hi James, I'm glad that you've had success and talking with the lines where developer team. I would also like to point out, he has a mailing list as well below will be going to where anybody can join.http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com Joseph Hudson Email jhud7789 at gmail.com I device support Telephone 2543007667 Skype joseph.hudson89 facebook https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 Twitter https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 FaceTime/iMessage jhud7789 at yahoo.com On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:38 PM, James Alan Boehm via NABS-L > wrote: Good day. Here is my experience with the actual app and then with the companies. As far as apps, I hav eonly used Blind Square. It is relatively easy to use and is very effective. I use it quite often when looking for businesses or buildings on my campus.The Blind Square team are very customer oriented and friendly. If you contact them with an issue, they respond within the day if not sooner. I have been really happy with it’s abilities and features. Now the Seeing Eye app I have not tried. I wanted to though.Last year, I contacted the Sendero and the Seeing Eye app team and asked them if I could have a demo or trail version to see if I like the app before purchasing. After 3 emails and one month later they finally responded. I also told them that I was organizing a state convention and that it would be a great opportunity to promote the app and let some folks try the app; I even offerred to promote and have a discussion on the app. Their reply was, and this was March, that they had already expended all that they could to give out trial or demo version. They said they would not be interested and stated taht people should just purchase the app if they want to try it.Not very customer service oriented. Now notice the difference. I contacted Blind Square They immediately contacted me on the same day and said we would love to have you promote our app at your convention. In fact, they said we will make our app free to all of your attendants at the convention so that anyone can try it out. Plus, they gave us several full version codes that we could give away as door prizes. So here are my thoughts. Blind Square’s customer satisfaction and service far surpasses the other. Also, Blind Square’s app works wonderfully with many great and easy to use features. Thus, I highly recommend the Blind Square app Thanks James Alan Boehm Contact Information: Phone: 901-483-1515 Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com NFB Email: secretary at nfb-tn.org Kustom Cane: kustomcane at gmail.com Blindness never limits-low expectations do! Live the life you want! On Jul 8, 2016, at 7:08 PM, justin via NABS-L > wrote: Does anyone know anything about how good the Seeing eye gps app is? I hear it is great. Has anyone used it? Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alosha Moore via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:34 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Alosha Moore > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blindsquare vs seeing eye gps Good evening Petras: I believe most people would choose to pay for one or the other, making it difficult to compare by one person. I personally use BlindSquare in my travels and love it. It's a great app for planning roots as well as exploring new locations spontaneously.One thing I love about blind square, is it's incorporation of other apps such as maps or Google maps, whichever you prefer and Uber or other local public transit options. I've also found it to work accurately abroad and easy to use and would highly recommend it. Best, Alosha. Sent from my iPhone. On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:22 AM, petras via NABS-L > wrote: Hi, I've been interested in buying the Blind square app, but I would like to know the difference between both apps. Which one is better? I had jaws training almost a month ago and discussed about the app. _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aloshamoorenfb%40gmail.c om _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jab2bs%40mtmail.mtsu.edu _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Sun Jul 17 00:54:51 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 17:54:51 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction Message-ID: Hi All, I'm Cricket Bidleman, a new member of the list. I just thought I'd introduce myself, though some of you may remember me from convention. I live in California, in a tiny town that's kind of in the middle of nowhere, halfway between San Diego and San Francisco. I'm currently attending Morro Bay High School and will be a senior in August. After that, I'm planning to double major in physics and computer science, my two favorite STEM subjects. Other than that, I'll keep it brief, since I doubt anyone wants to read a long email. I'm sure I'll be able to learn a whole lot from this list, and I hope that I'll be able to provide some helpful advice or 9sight on occasion. Do feel free to contact me on or off list at this email address. Thanks! Best, Cricket Bidleman From jameyanne at gmail.com Sun Jul 17 01:15:24 2016 From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 21:15:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] introducing myself Message-ID: <005101d1dfc8$b2a38850$17ea98f0$@gmail.com> Hello all, I jumped in to comment on another thread, but I wanted to introduce myself properly, as I'm new to this list. I'll keep it brief. My name is Jameyanne Fuller. I grew up in New Hampshire and went to Kenyon College out in Ohio. I graduated in 2014, spent a year teaching English in Assisi, Italy, and then another year volunteering for the NH Disabilities Rights Center. I'll be a 1L at Harvard Law School this fall. I have a guide dog, Mopsy, an eight-year-old female black lab from Seeing Eye. I play the clarinet, write young adult fantasy, speak Italian fluently, and read anything I can get my hands on. I went to the national convention this year as a scholarship winner. It was my first experience with the NFB, and I loved it. I met several of you there, and I'm looking forward to meeting the rest of you and talking on this list. Best, Jameyanne Fuller jameyanne at gmail.com www.jameyannefuller.com From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Sun Jul 17 01:23:55 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 18:23:55 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] introducing myself In-Reply-To: <005101d1dfc8$b2a38850$17ea98f0$@gmail.com> References: <005101d1dfc8$b2a38850$17ea98f0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, As a fellow newbie, welcome aboard! Many congratulations on your scholarship—I remember you from the board meeting and the banquet. Harvard ... So prestigious! Congratulations on that too. I hope to get to know you better in the future. Best, Cricket Bidleman On 7/16/16, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: > Hello all, > > I jumped in to comment on another thread, but I wanted to introduce myself > properly, as I'm new to this list. I'll keep it brief. My name is Jameyanne > Fuller. I grew up in New Hampshire and went to Kenyon College out in Ohio. > I > graduated in 2014, spent a year teaching English in Assisi, Italy, and then > another year volunteering for the NH Disabilities Rights Center. I'll be a > 1L at Harvard Law School this fall. I have a guide dog, Mopsy, an > eight-year-old female black lab from Seeing Eye. I play the clarinet, write > young adult fantasy, speak Italian fluently, and read anything I can get my > hands on. I went to the national convention this year as a scholarship > winner. It was my first experience with the NFB, and I loved it. I met > several of you there, and I'm looking forward to meeting the rest of you > and > talking on this list. > > Best, > > Jameyanne Fuller > > jameyanne at gmail.com > > www.jameyannefuller.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com Sun Jul 17 01:46:52 2016 From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 21:46:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] blindsquare vs seeing eye gps In-Reply-To: <001801d1dfba$94ec99e0$bec5cda0$@gmail.com> References: <5781169a.840e420a.37269.ffffd552@mx.google.com> <1EA06B3F-8315-4FD6-8D95-B3ADA6DF01ED@gmail.com> <008f01d1d975$fa2bcab0$ee836010$@gmail.com> <001801d1dfba$94ec99e0$bec5cda0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7B39E36E-6E6E-40F8-A496-306F5758275E@gmail.com> Jameyanne, Welcome to the list! The app, last I checked, costs $30. Definitely worth the money, but drains the phone battery remarkably fast. Kathryn Kathryn Webster President, National Association of Blind Students (203) 273-8463 Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 16, 2016, at 7:34 PM, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi everyone, > I've never used Blind Square, but I did try out the Seeing Eye GPS on my iPhone 6S last fall. I got it for only one month, and I'm glad I did it that way, because it was horrible. I tried it at first on a route I was familiar with, to see how it worked, and it had no idea where I was and kept trying to send me in the completely wrong direction. I've also heard from other Seeing Eye grads that it really drains your battery and isn't all that accurate, as I discovered. After reading this thread though, I think I'll give Blind Square a try. How much does it cost, and am I right in assuming from what James said below that there's a trial version? > Also, probably should have said this first, but I'm new to this list. The convention a few weeks ago was my first experience with NFB and I loved it. So hi. I'm looking forward to talking with and learning from all of you. > Jameyanne Fuller > jameyanne at gmail.com > www.jameyannefuller.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson via NABS-L > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 12:13 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Joseph Hudson > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blindsquare vs seeing eye gps > > Hi James, I'm glad that you've had success and talking with the lines where developer team. I would also like to point out, he has a mailing list as well below will be going to where anybody can join.http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com > Joseph Hudson > Email > jhud7789 at gmail.com > I device support > Telephone > 2543007667 > Skype > joseph.hudson89 facebook > https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 > Twitter > https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 > FaceTime/iMessage > jhud7789 at yahoo.com > > On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:38 PM, James Alan Boehm via NABS-L > wrote: > > Good day. Here is my experience with the actual app and then with the companies. > As far as apps, I hav eonly used Blind Square. It is relatively easy to use and is very effective. I use it quite often when looking for businesses or buildings on my campus.The Blind Square team are very customer oriented and friendly. If you contact them with an issue, they respond within the day if not sooner. I have been really happy with it’s abilities and features. > Now the Seeing Eye app I have not tried. I wanted to though.Last year, I contacted the Sendero and the Seeing Eye app team and asked them if I could have a demo or trail version to see if I like the app before purchasing. After 3 emails and one month later they finally responded. I also told them that I was organizing a state convention and that it would be a great opportunity to promote the app and let some folks try the app; I even offerred to promote and have a discussion on the app. Their reply was, and this was March, that they had already expended all that they could to give out trial or demo version. They said they would not be interested and stated taht people should just purchase the app if they want to try it.Not very customer service oriented. > Now notice the difference. I contacted Blind Square They immediately contacted me on the same day and said we would love to have you promote our app at your convention. In fact, they said we will make our app free to all of your attendants at the convention so that anyone can try it out. Plus, they gave us several full version codes that we could give away as door prizes. > So here are my thoughts. Blind Square’s customer satisfaction and service far surpasses the other. Also, Blind Square’s app works wonderfully with many great and easy to use features. Thus, I highly recommend the Blind Square app > Thanks > James Alan Boehm > Contact Information: > Phone: 901-483-1515 > Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com > NFB Email: secretary at nfb-tn.org > Kustom Cane: kustomcane at gmail.com > > Blindness never limits-low expectations do! Live the life you want! > > > > > On Jul 8, 2016, at 7:08 PM, justin via NABS-L > wrote: > > Does anyone know anything about how good the Seeing eye gps app is? > I hear it is great. Has anyone used it? > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alosha Moore > via NABS-L > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:34 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: Alosha Moore > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blindsquare vs seeing eye gps > > Good evening Petras: > I believe most people would choose to pay for one or the other, making it > difficult to compare by one person. I personally use BlindSquare in my > travels and love it. It's a great app for planning roots as well as > exploring new locations spontaneously.One thing I love about blind square, > is it's incorporation of other apps such as maps or Google maps, whichever > you prefer and Uber or other local public transit options. I've also found > it to work accurately abroad and easy to use and would highly recommend it. > Best, Alosha. > > Sent from my iPhone. > > On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:22 AM, petras via NABS-L > wrote: > > Hi, I've been interested in buying the Blind square app, but I would like > to know the difference between both apps. Which one is better? I had jaws > training almost a month ago and discussed about the app. > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aloshamoorenfb%40gmail.c > om > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jab2bs%40mtmail.mtsu.edu > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kathrynwebster.nfb%40gmail.com From mausbun at unr.edu Sun Jul 17 01:59:33 2016 From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 01:59:33 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] introducing myself In-Reply-To: References: <005101d1dfc8$b2a38850$17ea98f0$@gmail.com>, Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B012CB9A7@UBOX2.unr.edu> Cricket and Jameyanne: Welcome to the both of you! I had the pleasure of meeting both of you at the National Convention. I am excited to work with you both to transform the dreams of students into reality, and cannot wait to observe your future contributions. If you ever need anything, please do not hesitate to reach out on or off list. Respectfully, Michael Ausbun, Secretary National Association of Blind Students A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind (775) 432-8789 mausbun at nevada.unr.edu ________________________________________ From: NABS-L [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L [nabs-l at nfbnet.org] Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 6:23 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Cricket Bidleman Subject: Re: [nabs-l] introducing myself Hi, As a fellow newbie, welcome aboard! Many congratulations on your scholarship—I remember you from the board meeting and the banquet. Harvard ... So prestigious! Congratulations on that too. I hope to get to know you better in the future. Best, Cricket Bidleman On 7/16/16, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: > Hello all, > > I jumped in to comment on another thread, but I wanted to introduce myself > properly, as I'm new to this list. I'll keep it brief. My name is Jameyanne > Fuller. I grew up in New Hampshire and went to Kenyon College out in Ohio. > I > graduated in 2014, spent a year teaching English in Assisi, Italy, and then > another year volunteering for the NH Disabilities Rights Center. I'll be a > 1L at Harvard Law School this fall. I have a guide dog, Mopsy, an > eight-year-old female black lab from Seeing Eye. I play the clarinet, write > young adult fantasy, speak Italian fluently, and read anything I can get my > hands on. I went to the national convention this year as a scholarship > winner. It was my first experience with the NFB, and I loved it. I met > several of you there, and I'm looking forward to meeting the rest of you > and > talking on this list. > > Best, > > Jameyanne Fuller > > jameyanne at gmail.com > > www.jameyannefuller.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mausbun%40unr.edu From jab2bs at mtmail.mtsu.edu Sun Jul 17 13:07:18 2016 From: jab2bs at mtmail.mtsu.edu (James Alan Boehm) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 13:07:18 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] blindsquare vs seeing eye gps In-Reply-To: <7B39E36E-6E6E-40F8-A496-306F5758275E@gmail.com> References: <5781169a.840e420a.37269.ffffd552@mx.google.com> <1EA06B3F-8315-4FD6-8D95-B3ADA6DF01ED@gmail.com> <008f01d1d975$fa2bcab0$ee836010$@gmail.com> <001801d1dfba$94ec99e0$bec5cda0$@gmail.com>, <7B39E36E-6E6E-40F8-A496-306F5758275E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3F30ABEE-847A-414D-B0C8-6F95E67A293D@mtmail.mtsu.edu> Good morning. As stated in my previous post, The Blind Square app is less expensive and their customer service hands down is superior to the Seeing Eye app.If you reach out to MI Soft, they will give you a trial version to try their app if you would like to do so. Here is a link from a very handy website, Apple VIs, that describes Blind Square and its features: Http://www.applevis.com/apps/ios/navigation/blindsquare As far as the battery life, any and pretty much all GPS based apps are going to drain your battery as long as they are running; I recommend triple clicking your home button into task launcher, selecting the app you wish, like Blind Square, and three finger swipe up to close the app completely. YOu will thus be closing the app completely once you are finished using it and it will no longer drain your battery. I have a Google group, Eye Opening Tech for the BLind, where I share the latest and the greatest on technology relating to the blind. If you would like to be added to the list, shoot me an email at @secretary at nfb-tn.org. I hope I provided useful resources and information for you. Have a great rest of the weekend! James Alan Boehm Phone: 901-483-1515 Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com Refer NFB correspondences to: secretary at nfb-tn.org "Blindness never limits- Low expectations do! Live the life you want!" > On Jul 16, 2016, at 8:47 PM, Kathryn Webster via NABS-L wrote: > > Jameyanne, > Welcome to the list! > The app, last I checked, costs $30. Definitely worth the money, but drains the phone battery remarkably fast. > Kathryn > > Kathryn Webster > President, National Association of Blind Students > (203) 273-8463 > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 16, 2016, at 7:34 PM, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >> I've never used Blind Square, but I did try out the Seeing Eye GPS on my iPhone 6S last fall. I got it for only one month, and I'm glad I did it that way, because it was horrible. I tried it at first on a route I was familiar with, to see how it worked, and it had no idea where I was and kept trying to send me in the completely wrong direction. I've also heard from other Seeing Eye grads that it really drains your battery and isn't all that accurate, as I discovered. After reading this thread though, I think I'll give Blind Square a try. How much does it cost, and am I right in assuming from what James said below that there's a trial version? >> Also, probably should have said this first, but I'm new to this list. The convention a few weeks ago was my first experience with NFB and I loved it. So hi. I'm looking forward to talking with and learning from all of you. >> Jameyanne Fuller >> jameyanne at gmail.com >> www.jameyannefuller.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson via NABS-L >> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 12:13 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: Joseph Hudson >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blindsquare vs seeing eye gps >> >> Hi James, I'm glad that you've had success and talking with the lines where developer team. I would also like to point out, he has a mailing list as well below will be going to where anybody can join.http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com >> Joseph Hudson >> Email >> jhud7789 at gmail.com >> I device support >> Telephone >> 2543007667 >> Skype >> joseph.hudson89 facebook >> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 >> Twitter >> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 >> FaceTime/iMessage >> jhud7789 at yahoo.com >> >> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:38 PM, James Alan Boehm via NABS-L > wrote: >> >> Good day. Here is my experience with the actual app and then with the companies. >> As far as apps, I hav eonly used Blind Square. It is relatively easy to use and is very effective. I use it quite often when looking for businesses or buildings on my campus.The Blind Square team are very customer oriented and friendly. If you contact them with an issue, they respond within the day if not sooner. I have been really happy with it’s abilities and features. >> Now the Seeing Eye app I have not tried. I wanted to though.Last year, I contacted the Sendero and the Seeing Eye app team and asked them if I could have a demo or trail version to see if I like the app before purchasing. After 3 emails and one month later they finally responded. I also told them that I was organizing a state convention and that it would be a great opportunity to promote the app and let some folks try the app; I even offerred to promote and have a discussion on the app. Their reply was, and this was March, that they had already expended all that they could to give out trial or demo version. They said they would not be interested and stated taht people should just purchase the app if they want to try it.Not very customer service oriented. >> Now notice the difference. I contacted Blind Square They immediately contacted me on the same day and said we would love to have you promote our app at your convention. In fact, they said we will make our app free to all of your attendants at the convention so that anyone can try it out. Plus, they gave us several full version codes that we could give away as door prizes. >> So here are my thoughts. Blind Square’s customer satisfaction and service far surpasses the other. Also, Blind Square’s app works wonderfully with many great and easy to use features. Thus, I highly recommend the Blind Square app >> Thanks >> James Alan Boehm >> Contact Information: >> Phone: 901-483-1515 >> Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com >> NFB Email: secretary at nfb-tn.org >> Kustom Cane: kustomcane at gmail.com >> >> Blindness never limits-low expectations do! Live the life you want! >> >> >> >> >> On Jul 8, 2016, at 7:08 PM, justin via NABS-L > wrote: >> >> Does anyone know anything about how good the Seeing eye gps app is? >> I hear it is great. Has anyone used it? >> Justin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alosha Moore >> via NABS-L >> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:34 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >> Cc: Alosha Moore > >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blindsquare vs seeing eye gps >> >> Good evening Petras: >> I believe most people would choose to pay for one or the other, making it >> difficult to compare by one person. I personally use BlindSquare in my >> travels and love it. It's a great app for planning roots as well as >> exploring new locations spontaneously.One thing I love about blind square, >> is it's incorporation of other apps such as maps or Google maps, whichever >> you prefer and Uber or other local public transit options. I've also found >> it to work accurately abroad and easy to use and would highly recommend it. >> Best, Alosha. >> >> Sent from my iPhone. >> >> On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:22 AM, petras via NABS-L > wrote: >> >> Hi, I've been interested in buying the Blind square app, but I would like >> to know the difference between both apps. Which one is better? I had jaws >> training almost a month ago and discussed about the app. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aloshamoorenfb%40gmail.c >> om >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jab2bs%40mtmail.mtsu.edu >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kathrynwebster.nfb%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jab2bs%40mtmail.mtsu.edu From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Sun Jul 17 21:32:06 2016 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 17:32:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Awareness and advocacy in our professions Message-ID: Hi all, I am entering a field that really has an emphasis on working with people who have disabilities. While it is possible for someone to enter music therapy for mental illness or to supplement their health and wellness practices, most of the work done in the profession is carried out with people who have disabilities or those in hospitals. Before entering college I thought that surely those in helping professions would be more open-minded about people with disabilities. I mean, if they make their living problem-solving and finding alternative ways for their clients to do things, surely they'd be more open to working alongside someone with a disability, right? I wasn't so naive as to think that people in helping professions would never need education and of course I knew not everyone works with people who have physical disabilities in the first place, but I simply thought they'd be more likely to problem-solve and brainstorm accommodations for a person with a disability to do the same work they do than someone who is completely and utterly not exposed to those with disabilities in the workplace. My professors have done a good job at this, but I've heard horror stories from other blind music therapy students who's professors for really strange reasons said the student couldn't do the job---they can't see facial expressions, lack of vision is a liability, etc. I think I overestimated there, and in the past have been disheartened by the lack of resources out there for people with disabilities in helping professions to come together. Sure, the NFB has set up great divisions here, and I'm sure other disability groups have as well, but shouldn't these professions be doing the same for their own interests? I've been able to learn a lot from other students and human services division members here, but who's to say that an accommodation a wheelchair user has come up with won't completely rock my world in the clinic, or something I do to keep myself organized won't be something they would adopt in their own practices as well? Furthermore, especially for students like me in less commonly pursued fields, it's hard to find another person who completely gets where I'm coming from. Blind psychologists and socialworkers get the therapeutic side of what I do, but they don't always get the rationale behind some of the methodology or know just how physically I have to work within the clinic space with manipulatives, working hand over hand with a client, etc. I understand why this problem exists; a lot of these professions came about in the early 20th century and late 19th century, when disabled people were still being sequestered in institutions and such. Music therapy really got going after World War II with blinded soldiers, and back then no one would have ever thought a blind person would be capable of doing the job. However, in discussing this problem with my professors they have even acknowledged this is something that will need to be confronted sooner or later. More and more disabled students are able to go to college by the decade, and more and more seem to be going into professions that benefitted them in some way as a means of giving back or bringing life experience into a career. It's therefore really discouraging to have professionals in the field either not know how to adapt the job to teach you, or to simply not get it that you're wanting to do the same work they are doing. There was talk from my professors about the possibility of doing some research to establish some guidelines for educators teaching music therapy to blind students, but this research has yet to get underway. I went to a professional conference once, and I called ahead to request a braille agenda be printed for me. I also planned to utilize guide services because then I would be able to focus on the conference and my sessions rather than waste time learning the hotel I'd only be in for 3 or 4 days. An older blind music therapist told me she used these accommodations, so since I requested them I thought they'd be there. Surprise, no braille agenda and I had to fight first with the registration ladies up to someone actually in the organization to get guide services. The response I kept getting was, "You're a student. Can't you just go with your classmates?" No, not if they're not wanting to go to the same conference sessions that I want to go to, and I paid my registration money just like they did. (Note I wasn't overusing this. I knew enough to get back to the registration desk from each session and don't use this accommodation at all at smaller, regional conferences, but in a huge hotel that sometimes had sesssions all over the place, it was more practical to ask for someone to show me the way so I could arrive at sessions on time. I did hook up with classmates a few times as well when we happened to discuss going to the same session and wanted to go together, but I wanted the freedom to go to the sessions I wanted to learn from). Recently at a regional conference one person had the bright and kind idea to tap me on the shoulder during one of the sessions and ask if I would like her to describe some of the slides. I said yes and every so often she did so. This was because the pictures were dictating a cherades-like experience that combined music and drama therapy, and this person realized I'd totally miss the point without knowing what the pictures were. That was the only time I'd ever had that happen in a conference session, and the woman was a masters student. Most of the time I'm ignored in conferences, which is simultaneously good and irritating at times. I'm happpy to have the freedom of walking around a hotel without being pestered all the time, but there are times when I really do need some assistance and I have a hard time getting it, E.G, navigating those monster hotels in a timely manner or going around internship fares where I don't want to ask every table what they represent and incur the obligation to listen to their shpeel. I get the sense sometimes that as many people in these conferences as there are working with people who have disabilities, and as much collective knowledge there is in any given room at these conferences about how capable disabled people might actually be, professionals with disabilities are still such a tiny minority that people don't know what to do or how to interact with them since they're not a client. I'm wondering if any of you have faced similar issues in your fields, and if you've been able to work with your professional organizations to set up a group of some sorts. I recognize I probably won't do anything about it till I'm done with my degree myself, but I think it is an important issue. There is a group for blind music therapists on Yahoo groups, but as far as I know I'm the only student on there, and the list has had only a handful of emails since I joined a few years ago. I'd love to make a facebook page of sorts for students and professionals with disabilities to share life hacks and tips, but don't know if that would be the way to go. I would love to find a way to both bring students and young professionals with disabilities together, possibly also bring in older professionals who have tried and true methods, and to do some advocacy of professionals with disabilities. Thoughts? -- Kaiti Shelton From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Sun Jul 17 22:10:41 2016 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 18:10:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Voice dream folders questionRaising awareness and advocacy within our occupations Message-ID: Hi all, Is it possible to create subfolders within folders on voice dream? For example: I want to make a school folder to keep books for leisure separate from textbooks, then create subfolders in there for each textbook I have. Then, I can take the text files my university's DS office gives me that are split up into individual chapters and import them into the subfolders they belong to. Thanks, From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Sun Jul 17 23:24:53 2016 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 19:24:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Awareness and advocacy in our professions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Kaiti, I am sorry to hear you do not feel as though you are necessarily being treated as an equal within your chosen profession. I imagine the reason why people in your profession may not necessarily see people with disabilities as an equal who can work in the profession has a lot to do with the fact that the people who receive music therapy are generally people with disabilities. The role of someone with a disability working in the profession is a lot different than the role of someone with a disability receiving music therapy. Changing the way a group of people see others when they have been defined by a set role can be a difficult thing to do. I think constantly demonstrating your abilities as a music therapist is a first good step in changing these defined roles within your profession. However, another thing you could do is look into presenting some sort of presentation at some of the professional conferences that you attend. Perhaps you could give a presentation on the techniques you use as a blind student preparing to become a music therapist. This would help provide others with different techniques that may be helpful to other students preparing to become music therapist. Alternatively, you could put together a panel of disabled music therapists, and lead a discussion on the techniques they use as music therapists, or how they would like to see the profession grow in terms of accepting people with disabilities into the profession. As far as receiving accommodations for when you attend professional conferences, here are a few ideas you may want to try the next time you attend a professional conference. In terms of being able to receive a Braille agenda of the conference, it is possible the organization putting on the conference may not necessarily know how to produce an agenda in Braille, or simply do not have the means to produce an agenda in Braille. Although I have looked into attending professional conferences in my chosen field of study, I have yet to actually attend any professional conferences. However, when looking at the information for various professional conferences, I have noticed that there is generally a lot of information about the conference posted online. In most cases, there is an agenda or schedule of events included as part of this information. It seems to me if you would like this information in Braille that you could either Braille it yourself or use an electronic Braille display to read this information. If an agenda or schedule of events is not listed anywhere online, it seems to me you could simply have someone from the organization email you a copy of this information. It has been my experience that most organizations outside the realm of blindness generally do not provide Braille documents. As far as navigating large hotels goes, I have several thoughts as to how you can go about doing this as independently as possible. I am sure there will most likely be people on this email list who may not necessarily believe that using sighted guide is a form of independent travel. However, I feel as though using sighted guide is simply just another tool that can be used when trying to get around in unfamiliar places. As someone with another disability in addition to my blindness, I find myself using sighted guide more often these days as sometimes it is just easier to have someone else guide me to where I want to go instead of trying to receive directions from other people. If the organization is not willing to provide someone to help you navigate the hotel, you could check with the hotel to see if they might be able to provide someone to help you navigate hotel. Sometimes hotels can be rather gracious with the service they are willing to provide you as a guest in their hotel. You can always offer a tip in exchange for the services you receive from the hotel staff. However, another approach you could take is to select the sessions you are interested in attending, and arrive to the conference registration area early to ask for a general description of the layout of the hotel conference rooms. This technique worked well for me when I attended a non-blindness related disability conference last fall. The person behind me in the registration line needed to go through her packet of information to see which conference sessions she was interested in attending were located. So we went through the packet together. When we discovered that we would not be attending the same conference sessions, she asked someone else she knew what conference sessions she would be attending to see if they would match up with mine. As luck would have it, this other person was interested in attending the same conference sessions as me, so we were able to go to them together. Even when you do not know someone, you can always ask the people around you which conference sessions they are interested in attending. I am sure many people would enjoy a companion to join them on their journey to the conference session. However, for times when you cannot find someone who is going to the same conference session as you, knowing the name of the conference room or section of the hotel where the conference session is located can be very helpful in finding this location. You can always ask people to give you directions to where it is that you want to go, and you can always stop and ask people if you are going in the right direction or the confirmation of the name of a conference room as you pass by them on your journey to where you want to be. Perhaps in time you will become more confident and comfortable with your travel skills as you attend more professional conferences, but in the meantime, do not feel uncomfortable asking other people for assistance when you need it. Personally, I feel as though the main point of attending conferences, regardless of what kind they may be, is to gain more knowledge regarding the subject area of the conference and hopefully meet new people. I find asking others for assistance navigating unfamiliar places allows me to focus more on soaking up the information presented in the conference sessions, and in some cases, helps me to meet new people. Anyway, these are simply my thoughts regarding the message you posted to the email list. I hope you find them to be helpful. However, I am sure other people will most likely have other thoughts on integrating themselves as a person with a disability into their chosen profession as well as attending professional conferences. Other NFB email lists where you may receive additional responses to your email include the young professionals email list and the social science email list. I do not believe either one of these email lists are very active, but they may help provide you with some more perspectives than what you may find here on the student email list. Warm regards, Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 5:32 PM To: humanser at nfbnet.org Cc: Kaiti Shelton ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Awareness and advocacy in our professions Hi all, I am entering a field that really has an emphasis on working with people who have disabilities. While it is possible for someone to enter music therapy for mental illness or to supplement their health and wellness practices, most of the work done in the profession is carried out with people who have disabilities or those in hospitals. Before entering college I thought that surely those in helping professions would be more open-minded about people with disabilities. I mean, if they make their living problem-solving and finding alternative ways for their clients to do things, surely they'd be more open to working alongside someone with a disability, right? I wasn't so naive as to think that people in helping professions would never need education and of course I knew not everyone works with people who have physical disabilities in the first place, but I simply thought they'd be more likely to problem-solve and brainstorm accommodations for a person with a disability to do the same work they do than someone who is completely and utterly not exposed to those with disabilities in the workplace. My professors have done a good job at this, but I've heard horror stories from other blind music therapy students who's professors for really strange reasons said the student couldn't do the job---they can't see facial expressions, lack of vision is a liability, etc. I think I overestimated there, and in the past have been disheartened by the lack of resources out there for people with disabilities in helping professions to come together. Sure, the NFB has set up great divisions here, and I'm sure other disability groups have as well, but shouldn't these professions be doing the same for their own interests? I've been able to learn a lot from other students and human services division members here, but who's to say that an accommodation a wheelchair user has come up with won't completely rock my world in the clinic, or something I do to keep myself organized won't be something they would adopt in their own practices as well? Furthermore, especially for students like me in less commonly pursued fields, it's hard to find another person who completely gets where I'm coming from. Blind psychologists and socialworkers get the therapeutic side of what I do, but they don't always get the rationale behind some of the methodology or know just how physically I have to work within the clinic space with manipulatives, working hand over hand with a client, etc. I understand why this problem exists; a lot of these professions came about in the early 20th century and late 19th century, when disabled people were still being sequestered in institutions and such. Music therapy really got going after World War II with blinded soldiers, and back then no one would have ever thought a blind person would be capable of doing the job. However, in discussing this problem with my professors they have even acknowledged this is something that will need to be confronted sooner or later. More and more disabled students are able to go to college by the decade, and more and more seem to be going into professions that benefitted them in some way as a means of giving back or bringing life experience into a career. It's therefore really discouraging to have professionals in the field either not know how to adapt the job to teach you, or to simply not get it that you're wanting to do the same work they are doing. There was talk from my professors about the possibility of doing some research to establish some guidelines for educators teaching music therapy to blind students, but this research has yet to get underway. I went to a professional conference once, and I called ahead to request a braille agenda be printed for me. I also planned to utilize guide services because then I would be able to focus on the conference and my sessions rather than waste time learning the hotel I'd only be in for 3 or 4 days. An older blind music therapist told me she used these accommodations, so since I requested them I thought they'd be there. Surprise, no braille agenda and I had to fight first with the registration ladies up to someone actually in the organization to get guide services. The response I kept getting was, "You're a student. Can't you just go with your classmates?" No, not if they're not wanting to go to the same conference sessions that I want to go to, and I paid my registration money just like they did. (Note I wasn't overusing this. I knew enough to get back to the registration desk from each session and don't use this accommodation at all at smaller, regional conferences, but in a huge hotel that sometimes had sesssions all over the place, it was more practical to ask for someone to show me the way so I could arrive at sessions on time. I did hook up with classmates a few times as well when we happened to discuss going to the same session and wanted to go together, but I wanted the freedom to go to the sessions I wanted to learn from). Recently at a regional conference one person had the bright and kind idea to tap me on the shoulder during one of the sessions and ask if I would like her to describe some of the slides. I said yes and every so often she did so. This was because the pictures were dictating a cherades-like experience that combined music and drama therapy, and this person realized I'd totally miss the point without knowing what the pictures were. That was the only time I'd ever had that happen in a conference session, and the woman was a masters student. Most of the time I'm ignored in conferences, which is simultaneously good and irritating at times. I'm happpy to have the freedom of walking around a hotel without being pestered all the time, but there are times when I really do need some assistance and I have a hard time getting it, E.G, navigating those monster hotels in a timely manner or going around internship fares where I don't want to ask every table what they represent and incur the obligation to listen to their shpeel. I get the sense sometimes that as many people in these conferences as there are working with people who have disabilities, and as much collective knowledge there is in any given room at these conferences about how capable disabled people might actually be, professionals with disabilities are still such a tiny minority that people don't know what to do or how to interact with them since they're not a client. I'm wondering if any of you have faced similar issues in your fields, and if you've been able to work with your professional organizations to set up a group of some sorts. I recognize I probably won't do anything about it till I'm done with my degree myself, but I think it is an important issue. There is a group for blind music therapists on Yahoo groups, but as far as I know I'm the only student on there, and the list has had only a handful of emails since I joined a few years ago. I'd love to make a facebook page of sorts for students and professionals with disabilities to share life hacks and tips, but don't know if that would be the way to go. I would love to find a way to both bring students and young professionals with disabilities together, possibly also bring in older professionals who have tried and true methods, and to do some advocacy of professionals with disabilities. Thoughts? -- Kaiti Shelton _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com From awildheir at gmail.com Sun Jul 17 23:59:21 2016 From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 19:59:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction and Questions Message-ID: <45EC76AE-5F59-4395-B1D4-2F280BDCAE34@gmail.com> Hello everyone, I would like to take the opportunity to introduce myself. My name is Aimee and I am a law student at Widener University commonwealth law school in Harrisburg Pennsylvania. I am technically a 1L as health issues, accommodations issues, and technological issues forced me to take a leave of absence and return a year later. I am originally from Chattanooga Tennessee. I have a bachelors in animal science from middle Tennessee State University in Murphreesboro Tennessee. Law school will be a change of career for me. I found this list because I am looking for answers to issues that I'm having. I am having issues with students as well as accommodations and technology. Is there anyone here who is experienced with resolving issues with accommodations and equal opportunity/level playing field issues? I look forward to hearing from you guys and I look forward to being a part of this virtual community. Regards, Aimee Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Mon Jul 18 00:05:14 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 20:05:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction and Questions In-Reply-To: <45EC76AE-5F59-4395-B1D4-2F280BDCAE34@gmail.com> References: <45EC76AE-5F59-4395-B1D4-2F280BDCAE34@gmail.com> Message-ID: <06c201d1e088$0f8714a0$2e953de0$@gmail.com> Great to meet you Amy. Describe the nature of the issues you are having and I'm sure we can offer some suggestions. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee Harwood via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 7:59 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: Aimee Harwood Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction and Questions Hello everyone, I would like to take the opportunity to introduce myself. My name is Aimee and I am a law student at Widener University commonwealth law school in Harrisburg Pennsylvania. I am technically a 1L as health issues, accommodations issues, and technological issues forced me to take a leave of absence and return a year later. I am originally from Chattanooga Tennessee. I have a bachelors in animal science from middle Tennessee State University in Murphreesboro Tennessee. Law school will be a change of career for me. I found this list because I am looking for answers to issues that I'm having. I am having issues with students as well as accommodations and technology. Is there anyone here who is experienced with resolving issues with accommodations and equal opportunity/level playing field issues? I look forward to hearing from you guys and I look forward to being a part of this virtual community. Regards, Aimee Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Mon Jul 18 01:19:52 2016 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 21:19:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Awareness and advocacy in our professions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Elizabeth, Thanks for your suggestions. Some things, like talking to a hotel staff member about guide services for conferences, were things I did not consider in the moment when I was just trying to get to my rooms on time. I agree with you that in these situations it is more time efficient to just ask for sighted guide assistance, especially seeing as while traveling in a group of students I am not always in control of whether or not I can get to the hotel early just so I can figure out how it is set up. I think I have pretty good travel skills, but it's the same issue that arises in airports; you can either get off in a 30 minute layover and insist on finding your next gate yourself and potentially miss your connection, or just take an arm/the go-cart ride they offer you and take the way-finding out of the equasion, arriving with a few minutes to catch your breath. I know people will have different opinions on the airport example as well, but that's my take on it. I realize I'm very lucky with regional conferences because my professors are so involved with the planning. Both regional conferences I've attended have been fantastic in terms of accessibility, and the conference had a guidebook app that was used by everyone. My professors even checked with the company to see if it was accessible not just for my benefit, but so they could make sure anyone at the conference who would be using the app on an IPhone or Ipad with voiceover, or Android with talk back would be able to use it. I believe they also produced a few large print programs, and would have been able to make arrangements for brailled agendas had it been necessary. I think that is a huge reason why I am able to go around those conferences as independently as I do, with the internship fare being the biggest and only true obstacle. The national conferences don't tend to be as accessible with their agendas, and at least this one I went to didn't have an accessible online version. I had tried to look up the agenda to test it out ahead of time, but since the information wasn't available for viewing yet I couldn't test it out. That was why I requested it in braille, just so I'd be sure I had something to go by. I believe I did mention that braille or electronic format would work because that's usually what I tell people, but there didn't seem to be an electronic copy in that case either. I remember getting some classmates to go through each day of the agenda with me back at the hotel and writing down the information in my notetaker. I get this is going to sound like a bit of a boohoo thing to say, but the drawback to that was I had to choose exactly which sessions I wanted to go to in advance for the most part. The nice thing about the accessibility I experience at the regional conferences is that if I don't like a session for whatever reason, I can stand up and leave for another one that I find more interesting. The panel idea is a good one, and the few music therapy students who are blind that I know of have similar interest in studying this. I know of a girl who just completed an internship, and her final project was an essay documenting the techniques she found helpful. She was gracious enough to share it with me so I could take from it the ideas that would help me in my last year of college, internship, etc. I'm wondering if I could possibly approach my professors about putting together a presentation for a regional conference at first, even if it is just me presenting my individual accommodations and giving a call for research/guidelines/advocacy. I think students in this position are in a very unique place, because we often have no precedent to go off of and look to professors for guidance on how to teach us, but the profs often don't know the accommodations side of things either. The problem I'm seeing is that the professors in the colleges and internship directors are encouraging these kinds of projects, but there isn't unity that allows for students to bounce ideas off each other or professors to share tips and tricks amongst themselves. I got really lucky in that a friend of mine just happened to know two blind music therapy students and was able to put me in touch with the girl I mentioned. I just wish there was a way to bridge the gap so we didn't have to stumble across each other. On 7/17/16, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote: > Hello Kaiti, > > I am sorry to hear you do not feel as though you are necessarily being > treated as an equal within your chosen profession. I imagine the reason why > people in your profession may not necessarily see people with disabilities > as an equal who can work in the profession has a lot to do with the fact > that the people who receive music therapy are generally people with > disabilities. The role of someone with a disability working in the > profession is a lot different than the role of someone with a disability > receiving music therapy. Changing the way a group of people see others when > they have been defined by a set role can be a difficult thing to do. > > I think constantly demonstrating your abilities as a music therapist is a > first good step in changing these defined roles within your profession. > However, another thing you could do is look into presenting some sort of > presentation at some of the professional conferences that you attend. > Perhaps you could give a presentation on the techniques you use as a blind > student preparing to become a music therapist. This would help provide > others with different techniques that may be helpful to other students > preparing to become music therapist. Alternatively, you could put together > a > panel of disabled music therapists, and lead a discussion on the techniques > they use as music therapists, or how they would like to see the profession > grow in terms of accepting people with disabilities into the profession. > > As far as receiving accommodations for when you attend professional > conferences, here are a few ideas you may want to try the next time you > attend a professional conference. > > In terms of being able to receive a Braille agenda of the conference, it is > possible the organization putting on the conference may not necessarily > know > how to produce an agenda in Braille, or simply do not have the means to > produce an agenda in Braille. Although I have looked into attending > professional conferences in my chosen field of study, I have yet to > actually > attend any professional conferences. However, when looking at the > information for various professional conferences, I have noticed that there > is generally a lot of information about the conference posted online. In > most cases, there is an agenda or schedule of events included as part of > this information. It seems to me if you would like this information in > Braille that you could either Braille it yourself or use an electronic > Braille display to read this information. If an agenda or schedule of > events > is not listed anywhere online, it seems to me you could simply have someone > from the organization email you a copy of this information. It has been my > experience that most organizations outside the realm of blindness generally > do not provide Braille documents. > > As far as navigating large hotels goes, I have several thoughts as to how > you can go about doing this as independently as possible. I am sure there > will most likely be people on this email list who may not necessarily > believe that using sighted guide is a form of independent travel. However, > I > feel as though using sighted guide is simply just another tool that can be > used when trying to get around in unfamiliar places. As someone with > another > disability in addition to my blindness, I find myself using sighted guide > more often these days as sometimes it is just easier to have someone else > guide me to where I want to go instead of trying to receive directions from > other people. > > If the organization is not willing to provide someone to help you navigate > the hotel, you could check with the hotel to see if they might be able to > provide someone to help you navigate hotel. Sometimes hotels can be rather > gracious with the service they are willing to provide you as a guest in > their hotel. You can always offer a tip in exchange for the services you > receive from the hotel staff. > > However, another approach you could take is to select the sessions you are > interested in attending, and arrive to the conference registration area > early to ask for a general description of the layout of the hotel > conference > rooms. This technique worked well for me when I attended a non-blindness > related disability conference last fall. The person behind me in the > registration line needed to go through her packet of information to see > which conference sessions she was interested in attending were located. So > we went through the packet together. When we discovered that we would not > be > attending the same conference sessions, she asked someone else she knew > what > conference sessions she would be attending to see if they would match up > with mine. As luck would have it, this other person was interested in > attending the same conference sessions as me, so we were able to go to them > together. > > Even when you do not know someone, you can always ask the people around you > which conference sessions they are interested in attending. I am sure many > people would enjoy a companion to join them on their journey to the > conference session. However, for times when you cannot find someone who is > going to the same conference session as you, knowing the name of the > conference room or section of the hotel where the conference session is > located can be very helpful in finding this location. You can always ask > people to give you directions to where it is that you want to go, and you > can always stop and ask people if you are going in the right direction or > the confirmation of the name of a conference room as you pass by them on > your journey to where you want to be. > > Perhaps in time you will become more confident and comfortable with your > travel skills as you attend more professional conferences, but in the > meantime, do not feel uncomfortable asking other people for assistance when > you need it. Personally, I feel as though the main point of attending > conferences, regardless of what kind they may be, is to gain more knowledge > regarding the subject area of the conference and hopefully meet new people. > I find asking others for assistance navigating unfamiliar places allows me > to focus more on soaking up the information presented in the conference > sessions, and in some cases, helps me to meet new people. > > Anyway, these are simply my thoughts regarding the message you posted to > the > email list. I hope you find them to be helpful. However, I am sure other > people will most likely have other thoughts on integrating themselves as a > person with a disability into their chosen profession as well as attending > professional conferences. Other NFB email lists where you may receive > additional responses to your email include the young professionals email > list and the social science email list. I do not believe either one of > these > email lists are very active, but they may help provide you with some more > perspectives than what you may find here on the student email list. > > Warm regards, > Elizabeth > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton > via NABS-L > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 5:32 PM > To: humanser at nfbnet.org > Cc: Kaiti Shelton ; National Association of > Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Awareness and advocacy in our professions > > Hi all, > > I am entering a field that really has an emphasis on working with people > who > have disabilities. While it is possible for someone to enter music therapy > for mental illness or to supplement their health and wellness practices, > most of the work done in the profession is carried out with people who have > disabilities or those in hospitals. > > Before entering college I thought that surely those in helping professions > would be more open-minded about people with disabilities. > I mean, if they make their living problem-solving and finding alternative > ways for their clients to do things, surely they'd be more open to working > alongside someone with a disability, right? I wasn't so naive as to think > that people in helping professions would never need education and of course > I knew not everyone works with people who have physical disabilities in the > first place, but I simply thought they'd be more likely to problem-solve > and > brainstorm accommodations for a person with a disability to do the same > work > they do than someone who is completely and utterly not exposed to those > with > disabilities in the workplace. My professors have done a good job at this, > but I've heard horror stories from other blind music therapy students who's > professors for really strange reasons said the student couldn't do the > job---they can't see facial expressions, lack of vision is a liability, > etc. > I think I overestimated there, and in the past have been disheartened by > the > lack of resources out there for people with disabilities in helping > professions to come together. > Sure, the NFB has set up great divisions here, and I'm sure other > disability > groups have as well, but shouldn't these professions be doing the same for > their own interests? I've been able to learn a lot from other students and > human services division members here, but who's to say that an > accommodation > a wheelchair user has come up with won't completely rock my world in the > clinic, or something I do to keep myself organized won't be something they > would adopt in their own practices as well? Furthermore, especially for > students like me in less commonly pursued fields, it's hard to find another > person who completely gets where I'm coming from. Blind psychologists and > socialworkers get the therapeutic side of what I do, but they don't always > get the rationale behind some of the methodology or know just how > physically > I have to work within the clinic space with manipulatives, working hand > over > hand with a client, etc. > > I understand why this problem exists; a lot of these professions came about > in the early 20th century and late 19th century, when disabled people were > still being sequestered in institutions and such. Music therapy really got > going after World War II with blinded soldiers, and back then no one would > have ever thought a blind person would be capable of doing the job. > However, in discussing this problem with my professors they have even > acknowledged this is something that will need to be confronted sooner or > later. More and more disabled students are able to go to college by the > decade, and more and more seem to be going into professions that benefitted > them in some way as a means of giving back or bringing life experience into > a career. > It's therefore really discouraging to have professionals in the field > either > not know how to adapt the job to teach you, or to simply not get it that > you're wanting to do the same work they are doing. There was talk from my > professors about the possibility of doing some research to establish some > guidelines for educators teaching music therapy to blind students, but this > research has yet to get underway. > > I went to a professional conference once, and I called ahead to request a > braille agenda be printed for me. I also planned to utilize guide services > because then I would be able to focus on the conference and my sessions > rather than waste time learning the hotel I'd only be in for 3 or 4 days. > An older blind music therapist told me she used these accommodations, so > since I requested them I thought they'd be there. Surprise, no braille > agenda and I had to fight first with the registration ladies up to someone > actually in the organization to get guide services. The response I kept > getting was, "You're a student. > Can't you just go with your classmates?" No, not if they're not wanting to > go to the same conference sessions that I want to go to, and I paid my > registration money just like they did. (Note I wasn't overusing this. I > knew enough to get back to the registration desk from each session and > don't > use this accommodation at all at smaller, regional conferences, but in a > huge hotel that sometimes had sesssions all over the place, it was more > practical to ask for someone to show me the way so I could arrive at > sessions on time. I did hook up with classmates a few times as well when > we > happened to discuss going to the same session and wanted to go together, > but > I wanted the freedom to go to the sessions I wanted to learn from). > Recently at a regional conference one person had the bright and kind idea > to > tap me on the shoulder during one of the sessions and ask if I would like > her to describe some of the slides. I said yes and every so often she did > so. This was because the pictures were dictating a cherades-like > experience > that combined music and drama therapy, and this person realized I'd totally > miss the point without knowing what the pictures were. That was the only > time I'd ever had that happen in a conference session, and the woman was a > masters student. Most of the time I'm ignored in conferences, which is > simultaneously good and irritating at times. I'm happpy to have the > freedom > of walking around a hotel without being pestered all the time, but there > are > times when I really do need some assistance and I have a hard time getting > it, E.G, navigating those monster hotels in a timely manner or going around > internship fares where I don't want to ask every table what they represent > and incur the obligation to listen to their shpeel. I get the sense > sometimes that as many people in these conferences as there are working > with > people who have disabilities, and as much collective knowledge there is in > any given room at these conferences about how capable disabled people might > actually be, professionals with disabilities are still such a tiny minority > that people don't know what to do or how to interact with them since > they're > not a client. > > I'm wondering if any of you have faced similar issues in your fields, and > if > you've been able to work with your professional organizations to set up a > group of some sorts. I recognize I probably won't do anything about it > till > I'm done with my degree myself, but I think it is an important issue. > There > is a group for blind music therapists on Yahoo groups, but as far as I know > I'm the only student on there, and the list has had only a handful of > emails > since I joined a few years ago. I'd love to make a facebook page of sorts > for students and professionals with disabilities to share life hacks and > tips, but don't know if that would be the way to go. I would love to find > a > way to both bring students and young professionals with disabilities > together, possibly also bring in older professionals who have tried and > true > methods, and to do some advocacy of professionals with disabilities. > Thoughts? > > > -- > Kaiti Shelton > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti Shelton From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Mon Jul 18 13:00:57 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 09:00:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Awareness and advocacy in our professions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <076c01d1e0f4$6da83fc0$48f8bf40$@gmail.com> Hotels should be able to accommodate you in that way. Another method is to locate the general area where most of your sessions are going to be held, then just keep track of where that is until you go for your sessions. Then, learn where each individual room is to the best of your ability. Map it by sections of you can. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 9:20 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Kaiti Shelton Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Awareness and advocacy in our professions Hi, Elizabeth, Thanks for your suggestions. Some things, like talking to a hotel staff member about guide services for conferences, were things I did not consider in the moment when I was just trying to get to my rooms on time. I agree with you that in these situations it is more time efficient to just ask for sighted guide assistance, especially seeing as while traveling in a group of students I am not always in control of whether or not I can get to the hotel early just so I can figure out how it is set up. I think I have pretty good travel skills, but it's the same issue that arises in airports; you can either get off in a 30 minute layover and insist on finding your next gate yourself and potentially miss your connection, or just take an arm/the go-cart ride they offer you and take the way-finding out of the equasion, arriving with a few minutes to catch your breath. I know people will have different opinions on the airport example as well, but that's my take on it. I realize I'm very lucky with regional conferences because my professors are so involved with the planning. Both regional conferences I've attended have been fantastic in terms of accessibility, and the conference had a guidebook app that was used by everyone. My professors even checked with the company to see if it was accessible not just for my benefit, but so they could make sure anyone at the conference who would be using the app on an IPhone or Ipad with voiceover, or Android with talk back would be able to use it. I believe they also produced a few large print programs, and would have been able to make arrangements for brailled agendas had it been necessary. I think that is a huge reason why I am able to go around those conferences as independently as I do, with the internship fare being the biggest and only true obstacle. The national conferences don't tend to be as accessible with their agendas, and at least this one I went to didn't have an accessible online version. I had tried to look up the agenda to test it out ahead of time, but since the information wasn't available for viewing yet I couldn't test it out. That was why I requested it in braille, just so I'd be sure I had something to go by. I believe I did mention that braille or electronic format would work because that's usually what I tell people, but there didn't seem to be an electronic copy in that case either. I remember getting some classmates to go through each day of the agenda with me back at the hotel and writing down the information in my notetaker. I get this is going to sound like a bit of a boohoo thing to say, but the drawback to that was I had to choose exactly which sessions I wanted to go to in advance for the most part. The nice thing about the accessibility I experience at the regional conferences is that if I don't like a session for whatever reason, I can stand up and leave for another one that I find more interesting. The panel idea is a good one, and the few music therapy students who are blind that I know of have similar interest in studying this. I know of a girl who just completed an internship, and her final project was an essay documenting the techniques she found helpful. She was gracious enough to share it with me so I could take from it the ideas that would help me in my last year of college, internship, etc. I'm wondering if I could possibly approach my professors about putting together a presentation for a regional conference at first, even if it is just me presenting my individual accommodations and giving a call for research/guidelines/advocacy. I think students in this position are in a very unique place, because we often have no precedent to go off of and look to professors for guidance on how to teach us, but the profs often don't know the accommodations side of things either. The problem I'm seeing is that the professors in the colleges and internship directors are encouraging these kinds of projects, but there isn't unity that allows for students to bounce ideas off each other or professors to share tips and tricks amongst themselves. I got really lucky in that a friend of mine just happened to know two blind music therapy students and was able to put me in touch with the girl I mentioned. I just wish there was a way to bridge the gap so we didn't have to stumble across each other. On 7/17/16, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote: > Hello Kaiti, > > I am sorry to hear you do not feel as though you are necessarily being > treated as an equal within your chosen profession. I imagine the > reason why people in your profession may not necessarily see people > with disabilities as an equal who can work in the profession has a lot > to do with the fact that the people who receive music therapy are > generally people with disabilities. The role of someone with a > disability working in the profession is a lot different than the role > of someone with a disability receiving music therapy. Changing the way > a group of people see others when they have been defined by a set role can be a difficult thing to do. > > I think constantly demonstrating your abilities as a music therapist > is a first good step in changing these defined roles within your profession. > However, another thing you could do is look into presenting some sort > of presentation at some of the professional conferences that you attend. > Perhaps you could give a presentation on the techniques you use as a > blind student preparing to become a music therapist. This would help > provide others with different techniques that may be helpful to other > students preparing to become music therapist. Alternatively, you could > put together a panel of disabled music therapists, and lead a > discussion on the techniques they use as music therapists, or how they > would like to see the profession grow in terms of accepting people > with disabilities into the profession. > > As far as receiving accommodations for when you attend professional > conferences, here are a few ideas you may want to try the next time > you attend a professional conference. > > In terms of being able to receive a Braille agenda of the conference, > it is possible the organization putting on the conference may not > necessarily know how to produce an agenda in Braille, or simply do not > have the means to produce an agenda in Braille. Although I have looked > into attending professional conferences in my chosen field of study, I > have yet to actually attend any professional conferences. However, > when looking at the information for various professional conferences, > I have noticed that there is generally a lot of information about the > conference posted online. In most cases, there is an agenda or > schedule of events included as part of this information. It seems to > me if you would like this information in Braille that you could either > Braille it yourself or use an electronic Braille display to read this > information. If an agenda or schedule of events is not listed anywhere > online, it seems to me you could simply have someone from the > organization email you a copy of this information. It has been my > experience that most organizations outside the realm of blindness > generally do not provide Braille documents. > > As far as navigating large hotels goes, I have several thoughts as to > how you can go about doing this as independently as possible. I am > sure there will most likely be people on this email list who may not > necessarily believe that using sighted guide is a form of independent > travel. However, I feel as though using sighted guide is simply just > another tool that can be used when trying to get around in unfamiliar > places. As someone with another disability in addition to my > blindness, I find myself using sighted guide more often these days as > sometimes it is just easier to have someone else guide me to where I > want to go instead of trying to receive directions from other people. > > If the organization is not willing to provide someone to help you > navigate the hotel, you could check with the hotel to see if they > might be able to provide someone to help you navigate hotel. Sometimes > hotels can be rather gracious with the service they are willing to > provide you as a guest in their hotel. You can always offer a tip in > exchange for the services you receive from the hotel staff. > > However, another approach you could take is to select the sessions you > are interested in attending, and arrive to the conference registration > area early to ask for a general description of the layout of the hotel > conference rooms. This technique worked well for me when I attended a > non-blindness related disability conference last fall. The person > behind me in the registration line needed to go through her packet of > information to see which conference sessions she was interested in > attending were located. So we went through the packet together. When > we discovered that we would not be attending the same conference > sessions, she asked someone else she knew what conference sessions she > would be attending to see if they would match up with mine. As luck > would have it, this other person was interested in attending the same > conference sessions as me, so we were able to go to them together. > > Even when you do not know someone, you can always ask the people > around you which conference sessions they are interested in attending. > I am sure many people would enjoy a companion to join them on their > journey to the conference session. However, for times when you cannot > find someone who is going to the same conference session as you, > knowing the name of the conference room or section of the hotel where > the conference session is located can be very helpful in finding this > location. You can always ask people to give you directions to where it > is that you want to go, and you can always stop and ask people if you > are going in the right direction or the confirmation of the name of a > conference room as you pass by them on your journey to where you want to be. > > Perhaps in time you will become more confident and comfortable with > your travel skills as you attend more professional conferences, but in > the meantime, do not feel uncomfortable asking other people for > assistance when you need it. Personally, I feel as though the main > point of attending conferences, regardless of what kind they may be, > is to gain more knowledge regarding the subject area of the conference and hopefully meet new people. > I find asking others for assistance navigating unfamiliar places > allows me to focus more on soaking up the information presented in the > conference sessions, and in some cases, helps me to meet new people. > > Anyway, these are simply my thoughts regarding the message you posted > to the email list. I hope you find them to be helpful. However, I am > sure other people will most likely have other thoughts on integrating > themselves as a person with a disability into their chosen profession > as well as attending professional conferences. Other NFB email lists > where you may receive additional responses to your email include the > young professionals email list and the social science email list. I do > not believe either one of these email lists are very active, but they > may help provide you with some more perspectives than what you may > find here on the student email list. > > Warm regards, > Elizabeth > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti > Shelton via NABS-L > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 5:32 PM > To: humanser at nfbnet.org > Cc: Kaiti Shelton ; National Association > of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Awareness and advocacy in our professions > > Hi all, > > I am entering a field that really has an emphasis on working with > people who have disabilities. While it is possible for someone to > enter music therapy for mental illness or to supplement their health > and wellness practices, most of the work done in the profession is > carried out with people who have disabilities or those in hospitals. > > Before entering college I thought that surely those in helping > professions would be more open-minded about people with disabilities. > I mean, if they make their living problem-solving and finding > alternative ways for their clients to do things, surely they'd be more > open to working alongside someone with a disability, right? I wasn't > so naive as to think that people in helping professions would never > need education and of course I knew not everyone works with people who > have physical disabilities in the first place, but I simply thought > they'd be more likely to problem-solve and brainstorm accommodations > for a person with a disability to do the same work they do than > someone who is completely and utterly not exposed to those with > disabilities in the workplace. My professors have done a good job at > this, but I've heard horror stories from other blind music therapy > students who's professors for really strange reasons said the student > couldn't do the job---they can't see facial expressions, lack of > vision is a liability, etc. > I think I overestimated there, and in the past have been disheartened > by the lack of resources out there for people with disabilities in > helping professions to come together. > Sure, the NFB has set up great divisions here, and I'm sure other > disability groups have as well, but shouldn't these professions be > doing the same for their own interests? I've been able to learn a lot > from other students and human services division members here, but > who's to say that an accommodation a wheelchair user has come up with > won't completely rock my world in the clinic, or something I do to > keep myself organized won't be something they would adopt in their own > practices as well? Furthermore, especially for students like me in > less commonly pursued fields, it's hard to find another person who > completely gets where I'm coming from. Blind psychologists and > socialworkers get the therapeutic side of what I do, but they don't > always get the rationale behind some of the methodology or know just > how physically I have to work within the clinic space with > manipulatives, working hand over hand with a client, etc. > > I understand why this problem exists; a lot of these professions came > about in the early 20th century and late 19th century, when disabled > people were still being sequestered in institutions and such. Music > therapy really got going after World War II with blinded soldiers, and > back then no one would have ever thought a blind person would be capable of doing the job. > However, in discussing this problem with my professors they have even > acknowledged this is something that will need to be confronted sooner > or later. More and more disabled students are able to go to college > by the decade, and more and more seem to be going into professions > that benefitted them in some way as a means of giving back or bringing > life experience into a career. > It's therefore really discouraging to have professionals in the field > either not know how to adapt the job to teach you, or to simply not > get it that you're wanting to do the same work they are doing. There > was talk from my professors about the possibility of doing some > research to establish some guidelines for educators teaching music > therapy to blind students, but this research has yet to get underway. > > I went to a professional conference once, and I called ahead to > request a braille agenda be printed for me. I also planned to utilize > guide services because then I would be able to focus on the conference > and my sessions rather than waste time learning the hotel I'd only be in for 3 or 4 days. > An older blind music therapist told me she used these accommodations, > so since I requested them I thought they'd be there. Surprise, no > braille agenda and I had to fight first with the registration ladies > up to someone actually in the organization to get guide services. The > response I kept getting was, "You're a student. > Can't you just go with your classmates?" No, not if they're not > wanting to go to the same conference sessions that I want to go to, > and I paid my registration money just like they did. (Note I wasn't > overusing this. I knew enough to get back to the registration desk > from each session and don't use this accommodation at all at smaller, > regional conferences, but in a huge hotel that sometimes had sesssions > all over the place, it was more practical to ask for someone to show > me the way so I could arrive at sessions on time. I did hook up with > classmates a few times as well when we happened to discuss going to > the same session and wanted to go together, but I wanted the freedom > to go to the sessions I wanted to learn from). > Recently at a regional conference one person had the bright and kind > idea to tap me on the shoulder during one of the sessions and ask if I > would like her to describe some of the slides. I said yes and every > so often she did so. This was because the pictures were dictating a > cherades-like experience that combined music and drama therapy, and > this person realized I'd totally miss the point without knowing what > the pictures were. That was the only time I'd ever had that happen in > a conference session, and the woman was a masters student. Most of > the time I'm ignored in conferences, which is simultaneously good and > irritating at times. I'm happpy to have the freedom of walking around > a hotel without being pestered all the time, but there are times when > I really do need some assistance and I have a hard time getting it, > E.G, navigating those monster hotels in a timely manner or going > around internship fares where I don't want to ask every table what > they represent and incur the obligation to listen to their shpeel. I > get the sense sometimes that as many people in these conferences as > there are working with people who have disabilities, and as much > collective knowledge there is in any given room at these conferences > about how capable disabled people might actually be, professionals > with disabilities are still such a tiny minority that people don't > know what to do or how to interact with them since they're not a > client. > > I'm wondering if any of you have faced similar issues in your fields, > and if you've been able to work with your professional organizations > to set up a group of some sorts. I recognize I probably won't do > anything about it till I'm done with my degree myself, but I think it > is an important issue. > There > is a group for blind music therapists on Yahoo groups, but as far as I > know I'm the only student on there, and the list has had only a > handful of emails since I joined a few years ago. I'd love to make a > facebook page of sorts for students and professionals with > disabilities to share life hacks and tips, but don't know if that > would be the way to go. I would love to find a way to both bring > students and young professionals with disabilities together, possibly > also bring in older professionals who have tried and true methods, and > to do some advocacy of professionals with disabilities. > Thoughts? > > > -- > Kaiti Shelton > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmai > l.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% > 40gmail.com > -- Kaiti Shelton _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From jsoro620 at gmail.com Mon Jul 18 14:16:30 2016 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 10:16:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] {Spam?} Re: Awareness and advocacy in our professions In-Reply-To: <076c01d1e0f4$6da83fc0$48f8bf40$@gmail.com> References: <076c01d1e0f4$6da83fc0$48f8bf40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sometimes when navigating conferences, it's worth utilizing a kind of tag system. By this I mean you find your way to the first session you're interested in, and the person you wind up sitting next to provides directions to the next room. If you're both headed in the same direction, so much the better, but the point is you work with people in proximity to bounce to the next location. Before lunch I am especially interested in nearby folks who might be able to show me the layout of the buffet or general location of nearby restaurants. I'm an introvert. I'm never going to feel 100% confident about just joining someone else's table, but I try not to think of it in ample terms that way. If I break it into smaller elements and just focus on the people sitting immediately next to or near me, it's less overwhelming and makes for better conversation, not to mention better navigation because you will have built something of a small network for yourself, and these conferences are so much about networking anyway. On the whole, I do not think it unreasonable to ask a conference organizer to have someone orient me to the main function areas to include meeting space, dining, and sleeping rooms if the conference is at a hotel. At least then I have my own panoramic view of the place, and I can ask the people next to me more coordinated questions to find specific locations on that overarching map. As long as I mentioned networking, remember to engage people in conversation that is not about the curious device, your blindness, or in my case, the handsome shepherd. Get people talking about what they love talking about most, which is themselves. In doing so you get to know people beyond superficial greetings and establish some good friendships that will make the navigation less cumbersome. Forgive me if this all seemed elementary. I sometimes hesitate to offer advice here because I feel as though they are things people could have guessed for themselves. I suppose my primary takeaway is to break the day up into manageable chunks to keep it from becoming frustrating. Since airports were mentioned earlier in the thread (I feel as though I'm still paying for that blog post a while back,) but it's a similar principle there. I break up the trajectory between stepping into the airport and arriving at the gate into small pieces to keep it from tampering with my confidence from challenge overload. I hope that helps with a portion of the original question. Joe On 7/18/16, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: > Hotels should be able to accommodate you in that way. Another method is to > locate the general area where most of your sessions are going to be held, > then just keep track of where that is until you go for your sessions. > Then, > learn where each individual room is to the best of your ability. Map it by > sections of you can. > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton > via NABS-L > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 9:20 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Kaiti Shelton > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Awareness and advocacy in our professions > > Hi, Elizabeth, > > Thanks for your suggestions. Some things, like talking to a hotel staff > member about guide services for conferences, were things I did not consider > in the moment when I was just trying to get to my rooms on time. I agree > with you that in these situations it is more time efficient to just ask for > sighted guide assistance, especially seeing as while traveling in a group > of > students I am not always in control of whether or not I can get to the > hotel > early just so I can figure out how it is set up. I think I have pretty > good > travel skills, but it's the same issue that arises in airports; you can > either get off in a 30 minute layover and insist on finding your next gate > yourself and potentially miss your connection, or just take an arm/the > go-cart ride they offer you and take the way-finding out of the equasion, > arriving with a few minutes to catch your breath. I know people will have > different opinions on the airport example as well, but that's my take on > it. > > I realize I'm very lucky with regional conferences because my professors > are > so involved with the planning. Both regional conferences I've attended > have > been fantastic in terms of accessibility, and the conference had a > guidebook app that was used by everyone. My professors even checked with > the company to see if it was accessible not just for my benefit, but so > they > could make sure anyone at the conference who would be using the app on an > IPhone or Ipad with voiceover, or Android with talk back would be able to > use it. I believe they also produced a few large print programs, and would > have been able to make arrangements for brailled agendas had it been > necessary. I think that is a huge reason why I am able to go around those > conferences as independently as I do, with the internship fare being the > biggest and only true obstacle. The national conferences don't tend to be > as accessible with their agendas, and at least this one I went to didn't > have an accessible online version. I had tried to look up the agenda to > test it out ahead of time, but since the information wasn't available for > viewing yet I couldn't test it out. That was why I requested it in > braille, > just so I'd be sure I had something to go by. I believe I did mention that > braille or electronic format would work because that's usually what I tell > people, but there didn't seem to be an electronic copy in that case either. > I remember getting some classmates to go through each day of the agenda > with > me back at the hotel and writing down the information in my notetaker. I > get this is going to sound like a bit of a boohoo thing to say, but the > drawback to that was I had to choose exactly which sessions I wanted to go > to in advance for the most part. The nice thing about the accessibility I > experience at the regional conferences is that if I don't like a session > for > whatever reason, I can stand up and leave for another one that I find more > interesting. > > The panel idea is a good one, and the few music therapy students who are > blind that I know of have similar interest in studying this. I know of a > girl who just completed an internship, and her final project was an essay > documenting the techniques she found helpful. She was gracious enough to > share it with me so I could take from it the ideas that would help me in my > last year of college, internship, etc. I'm wondering if I could possibly > approach my professors about putting together a presentation for a regional > conference at first, even if it is just me presenting my individual > accommodations and giving a call for research/guidelines/advocacy. I think > students in this position are in a very unique place, because we often have > no precedent to go off of and look to professors for guidance on how to > teach us, but the profs often don't know the accommodations side of things > either. > > The problem I'm seeing is that the professors in the colleges and > internship > directors are encouraging these kinds of projects, but there isn't unity > that allows for students to bounce ideas off each other or professors to > share tips and tricks amongst themselves. I got really lucky in that a > friend of mine just happened to know two blind music therapy students and > was able to put me in touch with the girl I mentioned. I just wish there > was a way to bridge the gap so we didn't have to stumble across each other. > > On 7/17/16, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote: >> Hello Kaiti, >> >> I am sorry to hear you do not feel as though you are necessarily being >> treated as an equal within your chosen profession. I imagine the >> reason why people in your profession may not necessarily see people >> with disabilities as an equal who can work in the profession has a lot >> to do with the fact that the people who receive music therapy are >> generally people with disabilities. The role of someone with a >> disability working in the profession is a lot different than the role >> of someone with a disability receiving music therapy. Changing the way >> a group of people see others when they have been defined by a set role >> can > be a difficult thing to do. >> >> I think constantly demonstrating your abilities as a music therapist >> is a first good step in changing these defined roles within your > profession. >> However, another thing you could do is look into presenting some sort >> of presentation at some of the professional conferences that you attend. >> Perhaps you could give a presentation on the techniques you use as a >> blind student preparing to become a music therapist. This would help >> provide others with different techniques that may be helpful to other >> students preparing to become music therapist. Alternatively, you could >> put together a panel of disabled music therapists, and lead a >> discussion on the techniques they use as music therapists, or how they >> would like to see the profession grow in terms of accepting people >> with disabilities into the profession. >> >> As far as receiving accommodations for when you attend professional >> conferences, here are a few ideas you may want to try the next time >> you attend a professional conference. >> >> In terms of being able to receive a Braille agenda of the conference, >> it is possible the organization putting on the conference may not >> necessarily know how to produce an agenda in Braille, or simply do not >> have the means to produce an agenda in Braille. Although I have looked >> into attending professional conferences in my chosen field of study, I >> have yet to actually attend any professional conferences. However, >> when looking at the information for various professional conferences, >> I have noticed that there is generally a lot of information about the >> conference posted online. In most cases, there is an agenda or >> schedule of events included as part of this information. It seems to >> me if you would like this information in Braille that you could either >> Braille it yourself or use an electronic Braille display to read this >> information. If an agenda or schedule of events is not listed anywhere >> online, it seems to me you could simply have someone from the >> organization email you a copy of this information. It has been my >> experience that most organizations outside the realm of blindness >> generally do not provide Braille documents. >> >> As far as navigating large hotels goes, I have several thoughts as to >> how you can go about doing this as independently as possible. I am >> sure there will most likely be people on this email list who may not >> necessarily believe that using sighted guide is a form of independent >> travel. However, I feel as though using sighted guide is simply just >> another tool that can be used when trying to get around in unfamiliar >> places. As someone with another disability in addition to my >> blindness, I find myself using sighted guide more often these days as >> sometimes it is just easier to have someone else guide me to where I >> want to go instead of trying to receive directions from other people. >> >> If the organization is not willing to provide someone to help you >> navigate the hotel, you could check with the hotel to see if they >> might be able to provide someone to help you navigate hotel. Sometimes >> hotels can be rather gracious with the service they are willing to >> provide you as a guest in their hotel. You can always offer a tip in >> exchange for the services you receive from the hotel staff. >> >> However, another approach you could take is to select the sessions you >> are interested in attending, and arrive to the conference registration >> area early to ask for a general description of the layout of the hotel >> conference rooms. This technique worked well for me when I attended a >> non-blindness related disability conference last fall. The person >> behind me in the registration line needed to go through her packet of >> information to see which conference sessions she was interested in >> attending were located. So we went through the packet together. When >> we discovered that we would not be attending the same conference >> sessions, she asked someone else she knew what conference sessions she >> would be attending to see if they would match up with mine. As luck >> would have it, this other person was interested in attending the same >> conference sessions as me, so we were able to go to them together. >> >> Even when you do not know someone, you can always ask the people >> around you which conference sessions they are interested in attending. >> I am sure many people would enjoy a companion to join them on their >> journey to the conference session. However, for times when you cannot >> find someone who is going to the same conference session as you, >> knowing the name of the conference room or section of the hotel where >> the conference session is located can be very helpful in finding this >> location. You can always ask people to give you directions to where it >> is that you want to go, and you can always stop and ask people if you >> are going in the right direction or the confirmation of the name of a >> conference room as you pass by them on your journey to where you want to > be. >> >> Perhaps in time you will become more confident and comfortable with >> your travel skills as you attend more professional conferences, but in >> the meantime, do not feel uncomfortable asking other people for >> assistance when you need it. Personally, I feel as though the main >> point of attending conferences, regardless of what kind they may be, >> is to gain more knowledge regarding the subject area of the conference >> and > hopefully meet new people. >> I find asking others for assistance navigating unfamiliar places >> allows me to focus more on soaking up the information presented in the >> conference sessions, and in some cases, helps me to meet new people. >> >> Anyway, these are simply my thoughts regarding the message you posted >> to the email list. I hope you find them to be helpful. However, I am >> sure other people will most likely have other thoughts on integrating >> themselves as a person with a disability into their chosen profession >> as well as attending professional conferences. Other NFB email lists >> where you may receive additional responses to your email include the >> young professionals email list and the social science email list. I do >> not believe either one of these email lists are very active, but they >> may help provide you with some more perspectives than what you may >> find here on the student email list. >> >> Warm regards, >> Elizabeth >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti >> Shelton via NABS-L >> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 5:32 PM >> To: humanser at nfbnet.org >> Cc: Kaiti Shelton ; National Association >> of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Awareness and advocacy in our professions >> >> Hi all, >> >> I am entering a field that really has an emphasis on working with >> people who have disabilities. While it is possible for someone to >> enter music therapy for mental illness or to supplement their health >> and wellness practices, most of the work done in the profession is >> carried out with people who have disabilities or those in hospitals. >> >> Before entering college I thought that surely those in helping >> professions would be more open-minded about people with disabilities. >> I mean, if they make their living problem-solving and finding >> alternative ways for their clients to do things, surely they'd be more >> open to working alongside someone with a disability, right? I wasn't >> so naive as to think that people in helping professions would never >> need education and of course I knew not everyone works with people who >> have physical disabilities in the first place, but I simply thought >> they'd be more likely to problem-solve and brainstorm accommodations >> for a person with a disability to do the same work they do than >> someone who is completely and utterly not exposed to those with >> disabilities in the workplace. My professors have done a good job at >> this, but I've heard horror stories from other blind music therapy >> students who's professors for really strange reasons said the student >> couldn't do the job---they can't see facial expressions, lack of >> vision is a liability, etc. >> I think I overestimated there, and in the past have been disheartened >> by the lack of resources out there for people with disabilities in >> helping professions to come together. >> Sure, the NFB has set up great divisions here, and I'm sure other >> disability groups have as well, but shouldn't these professions be >> doing the same for their own interests? I've been able to learn a lot >> from other students and human services division members here, but >> who's to say that an accommodation a wheelchair user has come up with >> won't completely rock my world in the clinic, or something I do to >> keep myself organized won't be something they would adopt in their own >> practices as well? Furthermore, especially for students like me in >> less commonly pursued fields, it's hard to find another person who >> completely gets where I'm coming from. Blind psychologists and >> socialworkers get the therapeutic side of what I do, but they don't >> always get the rationale behind some of the methodology or know just >> how physically I have to work within the clinic space with >> manipulatives, working hand over hand with a client, etc. >> >> I understand why this problem exists; a lot of these professions came >> about in the early 20th century and late 19th century, when disabled >> people were still being sequestered in institutions and such. Music >> therapy really got going after World War II with blinded soldiers, and >> back then no one would have ever thought a blind person would be capable > of doing the job. >> However, in discussing this problem with my professors they have even >> acknowledged this is something that will need to be confronted sooner >> or later. More and more disabled students are able to go to college >> by the decade, and more and more seem to be going into professions >> that benefitted them in some way as a means of giving back or bringing >> life experience into a career. >> It's therefore really discouraging to have professionals in the field >> either not know how to adapt the job to teach you, or to simply not >> get it that you're wanting to do the same work they are doing. There >> was talk from my professors about the possibility of doing some >> research to establish some guidelines for educators teaching music >> therapy to blind students, but this research has yet to get underway. >> >> I went to a professional conference once, and I called ahead to >> request a braille agenda be printed for me. I also planned to utilize >> guide services because then I would be able to focus on the conference >> and my sessions rather than waste time learning the hotel I'd only be in > for 3 or 4 days. >> An older blind music therapist told me she used these accommodations, >> so since I requested them I thought they'd be there. Surprise, no >> braille agenda and I had to fight first with the registration ladies >> up to someone actually in the organization to get guide services. The >> response I kept getting was, "You're a student. >> Can't you just go with your classmates?" No, not if they're not >> wanting to go to the same conference sessions that I want to go to, >> and I paid my registration money just like they did. (Note I wasn't >> overusing this. I knew enough to get back to the registration desk >> from each session and don't use this accommodation at all at smaller, >> regional conferences, but in a huge hotel that sometimes had sesssions >> all over the place, it was more practical to ask for someone to show >> me the way so I could arrive at sessions on time. I did hook up with >> classmates a few times as well when we happened to discuss going to >> the same session and wanted to go together, but I wanted the freedom >> to go to the sessions I wanted to learn from). >> Recently at a regional conference one person had the bright and kind >> idea to tap me on the shoulder during one of the sessions and ask if I >> would like her to describe some of the slides. I said yes and every >> so often she did so. This was because the pictures were dictating a >> cherades-like experience that combined music and drama therapy, and >> this person realized I'd totally miss the point without knowing what >> the pictures were. That was the only time I'd ever had that happen in >> a conference session, and the woman was a masters student. Most of >> the time I'm ignored in conferences, which is simultaneously good and >> irritating at times. I'm happpy to have the freedom of walking around >> a hotel without being pestered all the time, but there are times when >> I really do need some assistance and I have a hard time getting it, >> E.G, navigating those monster hotels in a timely manner or going >> around internship fares where I don't want to ask every table what >> they represent and incur the obligation to listen to their shpeel. I >> get the sense sometimes that as many people in these conferences as >> there are working with people who have disabilities, and as much >> collective knowledge there is in any given room at these conferences >> about how capable disabled people might actually be, professionals >> with disabilities are still such a tiny minority that people don't >> know what to do or how to interact with them since they're not a >> client. >> >> I'm wondering if any of you have faced similar issues in your fields, >> and if you've been able to work with your professional organizations >> to set up a group of some sorts. I recognize I probably won't do >> anything about it till I'm done with my degree myself, but I think it >> is an important issue. >> There >> is a group for blind music therapists on Yahoo groups, but as far as I >> know I'm the only student on there, and the list has had only a >> handful of emails since I joined a few years ago. I'd love to make a >> facebook page of sorts for students and professionals with >> disabilities to share life hacks and tips, but don't know if that >> would be the way to go. I would love to find a way to both bring >> students and young professionals with disabilities together, possibly >> also bring in older professionals who have tried and true methods, and >> to do some advocacy of professionals with disabilities. >> Thoughts? >> >> >> -- >> Kaiti Shelton >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmai >> l.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% >> 40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti Shelton > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com > From jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com Mon Jul 18 19:17:32 2016 From: jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com (Jason Polansky) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 15:17:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction and Questions In-Reply-To: <45EC76AE-5F59-4395-B1D4-2F280BDCAE34@gmail.com> References: <45EC76AE-5F59-4395-B1D4-2F280BDCAE34@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Aimee. My name is Jason Polansky, and I am about to start my sophomore year at Messiah College, about 10 miles South of Harrisburg, studying marketing. I am the treasurer of the Pennsylvania Association of Blind Students, and our president, Hindley Williams, is looking at law schools herself. I can connect you with her and the disability services department at Messiah and see if you, a faculty from Messiah disability services, and disability services at Weidener can connect. We would gladly welcome you into the NFB and as a member of our student division. Let's keep in touch! Sincerely, Jason Polansky On 7/17/16, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I would like to take the opportunity to introduce myself. My name is Aimee > and I am a law student at Widener University commonwealth law school in > Harrisburg Pennsylvania. I am technically a 1L as health issues, > accommodations issues, and technological issues forced me to take a leave of > absence and return a year later. I am originally from Chattanooga Tennessee. > I have a bachelors in animal science from middle Tennessee State University > in Murphreesboro Tennessee. Law school will be a change of career for me. > > I found this list because I am looking for answers to issues that I'm > having. I am having issues with students as well as accommodations and > technology. Is there anyone here who is experienced with resolving issues > with accommodations and equal opportunity/level playing field issues? > > I look forward to hearing from you guys and I look forward to being a part > of this virtual community. > > > Regards, > Aimee > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jpolansky.nfb%40gmail.com > From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu Mon Jul 18 19:21:59 2016 From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 15:21:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges Message-ID: Hello Everyone, I am wondering if it is just me or do other blind people have challenges academically that are due to their blindness. Does anyone else find it challenging to search for information in a textbook? Do you feel it takes longer for you to complete assignments because it takes you longer to read information that is given to you utilizing text-to-speech software? Does anyone else find it challenging to take online tests/exams in the allotted time? I know that is quite a few questions but I’m wondering if it is just me or if other people have these experiences. What do you do to manage your assignments, papers and research articles/information? Thanks for any and all responses. Christina P.S. If I am set to no mail will I receive the responses to this question since I posted it? From jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com Mon Jul 18 19:24:30 2016 From: jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com (Jason Polansky) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 15:24:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction and Questions In-Reply-To: <45EC76AE-5F59-4395-B1D4-2F280BDCAE34@gmail.com> References: <45EC76AE-5F59-4395-B1D4-2F280BDCAE34@gmail.com> Message-ID: You should also check out the NFB's self-advocacy in higher education page. It provides a good outline of the accommodations that colleges should provide. Specifically, what accessibility issues are you having? On 7/17/16, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I would like to take the opportunity to introduce myself. My name is Aimee > and I am a law student at Widener University commonwealth law school in > Harrisburg Pennsylvania. I am technically a 1L as health issues, > accommodations issues, and technological issues forced me to take a leave of > absence and return a year later. I am originally from Chattanooga Tennessee. > I have a bachelors in animal science from middle Tennessee State University > in Murphreesboro Tennessee. Law school will be a change of career for me. > > I found this list because I am looking for answers to issues that I'm > having. I am having issues with students as well as accommodations and > technology. Is there anyone here who is experienced with resolving issues > with accommodations and equal opportunity/level playing field issues? > > I look forward to hearing from you guys and I look forward to being a part > of this virtual community. > > > Regards, > Aimee > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jpolansky.nfb%40gmail.com > From awildheir at gmail.com Mon Jul 18 19:30:20 2016 From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 15:30:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction and Questions In-Reply-To: References: <45EC76AE-5F59-4395-B1D4-2F280BDCAE34@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Jason. I would greatly appreciate you passing my information along. I am very eager to get connected with both the NFB chapter and the students devision as well. We have been butting heads and I think it is in part from over analyzing the law and potentially inexperience with blindness or significant vision loss. I would certainly welcome someone to add more weight to my cause. :-) I look forward to connecting with everyone. Aimee Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 18, 2016, at 3:17 PM, Jason Polansky via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello Aimee. My name is Jason Polansky, and I am about to start my > sophomore year at Messiah College, about 10 miles South of Harrisburg, > studying marketing. I am the treasurer of the Pennsylvania Association > of Blind Students, and our president, Hindley Williams, is looking at > law schools herself. I can connect you with her and the disability > services department at Messiah and see if you, a faculty from Messiah > disability services, and disability services at Weidener can connect. > We would gladly welcome you into the NFB and as a member of our > student division. Let's keep in touch! > > Sincerely, > Jason Polansky > >> On 7/17/16, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L wrote: >> Hello everyone, >> >> I would like to take the opportunity to introduce myself. My name is Aimee >> and I am a law student at Widener University commonwealth law school in >> Harrisburg Pennsylvania. I am technically a 1L as health issues, >> accommodations issues, and technological issues forced me to take a leave of >> absence and return a year later. I am originally from Chattanooga Tennessee. >> I have a bachelors in animal science from middle Tennessee State University >> in Murphreesboro Tennessee. Law school will be a change of career for me. >> >> I found this list because I am looking for answers to issues that I'm >> having. I am having issues with students as well as accommodations and >> technology. Is there anyone here who is experienced with resolving issues >> with accommodations and equal opportunity/level playing field issues? >> >> I look forward to hearing from you guys and I look forward to being a part >> of this virtual community. >> >> >> Regards, >> Aimee >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jpolansky.nfb%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Mon Jul 18 19:53:10 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 12:53:10 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Christina, The answer to all of those questions is yes. It should be for everyone on this group, and if it's not, then we have a certifiable genius in our midst. Yes, assignments take longer, for a variety of reasons. Things can be harder to understand depending on the way you think. Contrary to popular disbelief, there are some blind people who think very visually. Yes, there are many challenges that come with being a blind student. Math, geometry, chemistry, physics, you name it. I was told, in fact, that I would not pass geometry because I'm blind. I took Honors Geometry my Freshman year of high school and passed both semesters with very very high A's. Any academic challenge can be overcome with just a little bit of innovation. I find that any solution is generally specific to the challenge though. The main issue is time management. Great job in pointing that out. Everyone manages time a little differently. I always do math first thing when I get home, and then work my way through to the easier subjects. I'm not saying you should do that. You have to find a system that works for you. Trial and error is a way of figuring that out. I always like to do easy stuff last because if I fall asleep, I won't have problems making up the work in the morning. And that's another problem. Sleep. For me, sleep is put on the back burner, but that's because I throw all my time and energy into academics. There are people who don't do that. And sleep is important. You just have to find the balance that works for you. If you're tired, don't be afraid to put things away and get some rest. If you don't, you just might fall asleep on your laptop. I've done that a lot, and yet I still ignore exhaustion like the plague. I realize this might not be the most helpful nonadvice in the world because I haven't been very specific. Feel free to get back to me on or off-list. I'll be happy to help however I can! Best, Cricket Bidleman On 7/18/16, Christina Moore via NABS-L wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I am wondering if it is just me or do other blind people have challenges > academically that are due to their blindness. > Does anyone else find it challenging to search for information in a > textbook? Do you feel it takes longer for you to complete assignments > because it takes you longer to read information that is given to you > utilizing text-to-speech software? Does anyone else find it challenging to > take online tests/exams in the allotted time? > I know that is quite a few questions but I’m wondering if it is just me or > if other people have these experiences. > What do you do to manage your assignments, papers and research > articles/information? > Thanks for any and all responses. > Christina > P.S. If I am set to no mail will I receive the responses to this question > since I posted it? > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From kmaent1 at gmail.com Mon Jul 18 19:55:00 2016 From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 15:55:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges Message-ID: <578d3435.075a810a.9a9d3.5d02@mx.google.com> Well,=20the=20answer=20to=20this=20is=20yes=20and=20no.=20=20I=20find=20tha= t=20I=20read=20 significantly=20faster=20than=20cited=20people=20because=20my=20text=20to=20= speech=20 set=20to=20the=20top=20speed=20is=20faster=20than=20they=20can=20read,=20an= d=20it's=20 significantly=20easier=20for=20me=20to=20find=20things=20in=20the=20book=20= because=20I=20 can=20search=20while=20they=20have=20to=20flip=20through=20their=20paper=20= copy.=20=20 Doing=20research=20on=20the=20other=20hand=20is=20much=20more=20time=20cons= uming=20for=20 me=20because=20of=20the=20difficulty=20of=20using=20databases=20and=20becau= se=20of=20 the=20inaccessibility=20of=20print=20books=20in=20the=20library=20that=20si= ghted=20 students=20can=20use.=20=20I=20also=20have=20usually=20needed=20a=20sighted= =20person's=20 help=20getting=20my=20papers=20correctly=20formatted=20so=20everything=20lo= oks=20 right=20on=20the=20page. HTH, Karl =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Christina=20Moore=20via=20NABS-L=20 Hi Cricket welcome to the list. My name is Roanna Bacchus. I hope you enjoy your time here. From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Mon Jul 18 20:02:19 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 16:02:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction and Questions Message-ID: <578d35f5.ca29810a.c5985.006f@mx.google.com> Hi Amy welcome to the list. My name is Roanna Bacchus. I hope you enjoy your time here. From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Mon Jul 18 20:02:10 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 16:02:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] introducing myself Message-ID: <578d35ec.ca29810a.c5985.0067@mx.google.com> Hi Janie Anne welcome to the list. My name is Roanna Bacchus. I am a senior at UCF getting ready to graduate in December. I hope you enjoy your time here. From jameyanne at gmail.com Mon Jul 18 20:33:12 2016 From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 16:33:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges In-Reply-To: <578d3435.075a810a.9a9d3.5d02@mx.google.com> References: <578d3435.075a810a.9a9d3.5d02@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <014301d1e133$9b3fb3c0$d1bf1b40$@gmail.com> My answer is also yes and no. I find I can search within a textbook or article faster because I can use a search function to find exactly what = I'm looking for. On the other hand, I've also found that I take in and = remember information better if I read it in Braille than if I listen to it using JAWS or the speech on my BrailleNote. It's faster to listen, but I inevitably lose focus or fall asleep. Like Cricket, sleep is always like = my last priority, which is a bad idea. On the other hand, I don't read = Braille quite as fast as my sighted peers read print, so sometimes listening becomes the only option if I want to keep up. One solution I've come up with is to have something to do with my hands while I'm listening to an article or textbook. I make gimp lanyards, fiddle with a puzzle, draw = with my tactile drawing board, knit, wander around cleaning up my room and folding laundry and such. It's not a perfect solution, but it helps. In terms of research, I think that definitely takes me more time, especially since I need assistance finding books in the library and then have to wait for the disabilities services office to scan them. = Databases can be a mixed bag. I've found JSTOR to be pretty accessible. One problem I've had a lot is the lack of page numbers in scanned = documents or even page numbers in strange places so I could never tell what was on which page and it was never consistent across the scanned documents from disabilities services. I usually figured it out for each book and made = sure to make my professors aware of the problem so they wouldn't take points = off if my intext citations cited the wrong page or so they would give me a phrase to find in the book rather than a page number when discussing = things in class. Take all of this with a grain of salt, because I was last in school two years ago, and things might be different for me when I start up again = this fall. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 3:55 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list = Cc: Karl Martin Adam Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges Well, the answer to this is yes and no. I find that I read = significantly faster than cited people because my text to speech set to the top speed = is faster than they can read, and it's significantly easier for me to find things in the book because I can search while they have to flip through their paper copy. =20 Doing research on the other hand is much more time consuming for me = because of the difficulty of using databases and because of the inaccessibility = of print books in the library that sighted students can use. I also have usually needed a sighted person's help getting my papers correctly formatted so everything looks right on the page. HTH, Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: Christina Moore via NABS-L References: Message-ID: <002a01d1e137$1c6bc210$55434630$@gmail.com> Christina, I agree. You discovered it right! If you want to give a more meaning to your work and aim for the higher grades, it should take you longer. This is true for sighted or for blind students. Time management is the very challenging for many college students, but, if you plan and prioritize your school work every day, I think you will satisfy with your work. Finding information is a little bit challenging. However, if you are working on your assignments and have your books in an electronic form using JAWS, open the chapter that you are working on and press control F to do the search, or, if you have digital talking book or Victor Reader Stream, you can book mark or highlight them so that you can easily find the information when you are working on your assignments. My other suggestion is that to take notes from your lectures. Happy to share my school experiences so please feel free to communicate, Muzamil, ----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 2:53 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Cricket Bidleman; Christina Moore Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges Christina, The answer to all of those questions is yes. It should be for everyone on this group, and if it's not, then we have a certifiable genius in our midst. Yes, assignments take longer, for a variety of reasons. Things can be harder to understand depending on the way you think. Contrary to popular disbelief, there are some blind people who think very visually. Yes, there are many challenges that come with being a blind student. Math, geometry, chemistry, physics, you name it. I was told, in fact, that I would not pass geometry because I'm blind. I took Honors Geometry my Freshman year of high school and passed both semesters with very very high A's. Any academic challenge can be overcome with just a little bit of innovation. I find that any solution is generally specific to the challenge though. The main issue is time management. Great job in pointing that out. Everyone manages time a little differently. I always do math first thing when I get home, and then work my way through to the easier subjects. I'm not saying you should do that. You have to find a system that works for you. Trial and error is a way of figuring that out. I always like to do easy stuff last because if I fall asleep, I won't have problems making up the work in the morning. And that's another problem. Sleep. For me, sleep is put on the back burner, but that's because I throw all my time and energy into academics. There are people who don't do that. And sleep is important. You just have to find the balance that works for you. If you're tired, don't be afraid to put things away and get some rest. If you don't, you just might fall asleep on your laptop. I've done that a lot, and yet I still ignore exhaustion like the plague. I realize this might not be the most helpful nonadvice in the world because I haven't been very specific. Feel free to get back to me on or off-list. I'll be happy to help however I can! Best, Cricket Bidleman On 7/18/16, Christina Moore via NABS-L wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I am wondering if it is just me or do other blind people have > challenges academically that are due to their blindness. > Does anyone else find it challenging to search for information in a > textbook? Do you feel it takes longer for you to complete assignments > because it takes you longer to read information that is given to you > utilizing text-to-speech software? Does anyone else find it > challenging to take online tests/exams in the allotted time? > I know that is quite a few questions but I’m wondering if it is just > me or if other people have these experiences. > What do you do to manage your assignments, papers and research > articles/information? > Thanks for any and all responses. > Christina > P.S. If I am set to no mail will I receive the responses to this > question since I posted it? > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40 > gmail.com > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/muzamil.yahya%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Jul 18 21:50:01 2016 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 17:50:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges In-Reply-To: <014301d1e133$9b3fb3c0$d1bf1b40$@gmail.com> References: <578d3435.075a810a.9a9d3.5d02@mx.google.com> <014301d1e133$9b3fb3c0$d1bf1b40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9F2545FFA2954BDA8B7723E942D15C8A@OwnerPC> Jameyanne, I agree. You said it nicely to summarize the challenges of research. I also found all that to be the case. I know some NFbers are against extended time, but I find it necessary to do well. I use extended time on exams. For assignments, I sometimes get extentions particulary for research. For research, databases are a mixed bag. Yes, jstor is fairly usable but the pdfs are usually scanned images. I have had the same difficulty citing sources because I don't always know the page numbers since that does not scan well or if I use a reader, the reader forgets to announce pages. I also take extra time in the library finding print material such as books. Time management is a good thing to master. For me, I did my homework and reading late afternoon and evening. II t also depended on my reader's schedule. Typically, my readers were available at 3:30 or later. Often, I'd use a reader right before dinner or right after dinner at 7:30. Like some of you, I also threw my energy into academics and neglected sleep. Great discussion. I always took less credits than most students and took longer in college. I thought I was the only one though as many blind students here take 18 credits and double major. So, yes its challenging but you have to find what works for you. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 4:33 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Jameyanne Fuller Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges My answer is also yes and no. I find I can search within a textbook or article faster because I can use a search function to find exactly what I'm looking for. On the other hand, I've also found that I take in and remember information better if I read it in Braille than if I listen to it using JAWS or the speech on my BrailleNote. It's faster to listen, but I inevitably lose focus or fall asleep. Like Cricket, sleep is always like my last priority, which is a bad idea. On the other hand, I don't read Braille quite as fast as my sighted peers read print, so sometimes listening becomes the only option if I want to keep up. One solution I've come up with is to have something to do with my hands while I'm listening to an article or textbook. I make gimp lanyards, fiddle with a puzzle, draw with my tactile drawing board, knit, wander around cleaning up my room and folding laundry and such. It's not a perfect solution, but it helps. In terms of research, I think that definitely takes me more time, especially since I need assistance finding books in the library and then have to wait for the disabilities services office to scan them. Databases can be a mixed bag. I've found JSTOR to be pretty accessible. One problem I've had a lot is the lack of page numbers in scanned documents or even page numbers in strange places so I could never tell what was on which page and it was never consistent across the scanned documents from disabilities services. I usually figured it out for each book and made sure to make my professors aware of the problem so they wouldn't take points off if my intext citations cited the wrong page or so they would give me a phrase to find in the book rather than a page number when discussing things in class. Take all of this with a grain of salt, because I was last in school two years ago, and things might be different for me when I start up again this fall. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 3:55 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Karl Martin Adam Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges Well, the answer to this is yes and no. I find that I read significantly faster than cited people because my text to speech set to the top speed is faster than they can read, and it's significantly easier for me to find things in the book because I can search while they have to flip through their paper copy. Doing research on the other hand is much more time consuming for me because of the difficulty of using databases and because of the inaccessibility of print books in the library that sighted students can use. I also have usually needed a sighted person's help getting my papers correctly formatted so everything looks right on the page. HTH, Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: Christina Moore via NABS-L References: <578d3435.075a810a.9a9d3.5d02@mx.google.com> <014301d1e133$9b3fb3c0$d1bf1b40$@gmail.com> <9F2545FFA2954BDA8B7723E942D15C8A@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Oh that's a good point with the extended time. I never take extended time except on the SAT and AP tests. Not on regular tests, not on assignments ... But I'm a bit of an overachiever because I think that if I can't do it in the same amount of time as the other students, then I'm not a good student. Obviously, that isn't necessarily true, but I have dreadfully high standards for myself. How you deal with extended time is up to you. Some people like it, some people don't. I don't, but I would never say that people shouldn't have it because hey, some day I might need it. And other people have different circumstances, work ethic, etc. On 7/18/16, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L wrote: > Jameyanne, > > I agree. You said it nicely to summarize the challenges of research. I also > > found all that to be the case. I know some NFbers are against extended time, > > but I find it necessary to do well. I use extended time on exams. For > assignments, I sometimes get extentions particulary for research. > > For research, databases are a mixed bag. Yes, jstor is fairly usable but the > > pdfs are usually scanned images. > I have had the same difficulty citing sources because I don't always know > the page numbers since that does not scan well or if I use a reader, the > reader forgets to announce pages. > I also take extra time in the library finding print material such as books. > > Time management is a good thing to master. For me, I did my homework and > reading late afternoon and evening. II t also depended on my reader's > schedule. Typically, my readers were available at 3:30 or later. Often, I'd > > use a reader right before dinner or right after dinner at 7:30. > Like some of you, I also threw my energy into academics and neglected > sleep. > > Great discussion. I always took less credits than most students and took > longer in college. I thought I was the only one though as many blind > students here take 18 credits and double major. > > So, yes its challenging but you have to find what works for you. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 4:33 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Cc: Jameyanne Fuller > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges > > My answer is also yes and no. I find I can search within a textbook or > article faster because I can use a search function to find exactly what I'm > looking for. On the other hand, I've also found that I take in and remember > information better if I read it in Braille than if I listen to it using > JAWS or the speech on my BrailleNote. It's faster to listen, but I > inevitably lose focus or fall asleep. Like Cricket, sleep is always like my > last priority, which is a bad idea. On the other hand, I don't read Braille > quite as fast as my sighted peers read print, so sometimes listening > becomes the only option if I want to keep up. One solution I've come up > with is to have something to do with my hands while I'm listening to an > article or textbook. I make gimp lanyards, fiddle with a puzzle, draw with > my tactile drawing board, knit, wander around cleaning up my room and > folding laundry and such. It's not a perfect solution, but it helps. > In terms of research, I think that definitely takes me more time, > especially since I need assistance finding books in the library and then > have to wait for the disabilities services office to scan them. Databases > can be a mixed bag. I've found JSTOR to be pretty accessible. > One problem I've had a lot is the lack of page numbers in scanned documents > or even page numbers in strange places so I could never tell what was on > which page and it was never consistent across the scanned documents from > disabilities services. I usually figured it out for each book and made sure > to make my professors aware of the problem so they wouldn't take points off > if my intext citations cited the wrong page or so they would give me a > phrase to find in the book rather than a page number when discussing things > in class. > Take all of this with a grain of salt, because I was last in school two > years ago, and things might be different for me when I start up again this > fall. > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin > Adam via NABS-L > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 3:55 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Karl Martin Adam > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges > > Well, the answer to this is yes and no. I find that I read significantly > faster than cited people because my text to speech set to the top speed is > faster than they can read, and it's significantly easier for me to find > things in the book because I can search while they have to flip through > their paper copy. > Doing research on the other hand is much more time consuming for me because > of the difficulty of using databases and because of the inaccessibility of > print books in the library that sighted students can use. I also have > usually needed a sighted person's help getting my papers correctly > formatted so everything looks right on the page. > > HTH, > Karl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Christina Moore via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 15:21:59 -0400 > Subject: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges > > Hello Everyone, > > I am wondering if it is just me or do other blind people have challenges > academically that are due to their blindness. > Does anyone else find it challenging to search for information in a > textbook? Do you feel it takes longer for you to complete assignments > because it takes you longer to read information that is given to you > utilizing text-to-speech software? Does anyone else find it challenging to > take online tests/exams in the allotted time? > I know that is quite a few questions but I?셫 wondering if it is just me or > if other people have these experiences. > What do you do to manage your assignments, papers and research > articles/information? > Thanks for any and all responses. > Christina > P.S. If I am set to no mail will I receive the responses to this question > since I posted it? > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS- > L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > From jameyanne at gmail.com Mon Jul 18 22:09:14 2016 From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 18:09:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges In-Reply-To: References: <578d3435.075a810a.9a9d3.5d02@mx.google.com> <014301d1e133$9b3fb3c0$d1bf1b40$@gmail.com> <9F2545FFA2954BDA8B7723E942D15C8A@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <017801d1e141$057f7ce0$107e76a0$@gmail.com> Extended time is something I like to request as an accommodation in case I run into problems with getting materials on time and such, but I almost never use it. I do use it for standardized tests: SAT, AP tests, GRE, LSAT, etc. other than that, the only time I used it regularly was for math exams in college. I was using Nemetex to translate my math from my BrailleNote into print, which was a nightmare, and I had to have a reader for a lot of the more complicated graphing calculator stuff. Like Cricket, I'm a super overachiever, and I don't like to use extra time if my classmates don't have it. But my feelings on accommodations like this is if they're helpful for you to be on even footing with your classmates, use them and who cares what anyone else thinks. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 5:58 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Cricket Bidleman Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges Oh that's a good point with the extended time. I never take extended time except on the SAT and AP tests. Not on regular tests, not on assignments ... But I'm a bit of an overachiever because I think that if I can't do it in the same amount of time as the other students, then I'm not a good student. Obviously, that isn't necessarily true, but I have dreadfully high standards for myself. How you deal with extended time is up to you. Some people like it, some people don't. I don't, but I would never say that people shouldn't have it because hey, some day I might need it. And other people have different circumstances, work ethic, etc. On 7/18/16, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L wrote: > Jameyanne, > > I agree. You said it nicely to summarize the challenges of research. I also > > found all that to be the case. I know some NFbers are against extended time, > > but I find it necessary to do well. I use extended time on exams. For > assignments, I sometimes get extentions particulary for research. > > For research, databases are a mixed bag. Yes, jstor is fairly usable but the > > pdfs are usually scanned images. > I have had the same difficulty citing sources because I don't always know > the page numbers since that does not scan well or if I use a reader, the > reader forgets to announce pages. > I also take extra time in the library finding print material such as books. > > Time management is a good thing to master. For me, I did my homework and > reading late afternoon and evening. II t also depended on my reader's > schedule. Typically, my readers were available at 3:30 or later. Often, I'd > > use a reader right before dinner or right after dinner at 7:30. > Like some of you, I also threw my energy into academics and neglected > sleep. > > Great discussion. I always took less credits than most students and took > longer in college. I thought I was the only one though as many blind > students here take 18 credits and double major. > > So, yes its challenging but you have to find what works for you. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 4:33 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Cc: Jameyanne Fuller > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges > > My answer is also yes and no. I find I can search within a textbook or > article faster because I can use a search function to find exactly what I'm > looking for. On the other hand, I've also found that I take in and remember > information better if I read it in Braille than if I listen to it using > JAWS or the speech on my BrailleNote. It's faster to listen, but I > inevitably lose focus or fall asleep. Like Cricket, sleep is always like my > last priority, which is a bad idea. On the other hand, I don't read Braille > quite as fast as my sighted peers read print, so sometimes listening > becomes the only option if I want to keep up. One solution I've come up > with is to have something to do with my hands while I'm listening to an > article or textbook. I make gimp lanyards, fiddle with a puzzle, draw with > my tactile drawing board, knit, wander around cleaning up my room and > folding laundry and such. It's not a perfect solution, but it helps. > In terms of research, I think that definitely takes me more time, > especially since I need assistance finding books in the library and then > have to wait for the disabilities services office to scan them. Databases > can be a mixed bag. I've found JSTOR to be pretty accessible. > One problem I've had a lot is the lack of page numbers in scanned documents > or even page numbers in strange places so I could never tell what was on > which page and it was never consistent across the scanned documents from > disabilities services. I usually figured it out for each book and made sure > to make my professors aware of the problem so they wouldn't take points off > if my intext citations cited the wrong page or so they would give me a > phrase to find in the book rather than a page number when discussing things > in class. > Take all of this with a grain of salt, because I was last in school two > years ago, and things might be different for me when I start up again this > fall. > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin > Adam via NABS-L > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 3:55 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Karl Martin Adam > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges > > Well, the answer to this is yes and no. I find that I read significantly > faster than cited people because my text to speech set to the top speed is > faster than they can read, and it's significantly easier for me to find > things in the book because I can search while they have to flip through > their paper copy. > Doing research on the other hand is much more time consuming for me because > of the difficulty of using databases and because of the inaccessibility of > print books in the library that sighted students can use. I also have > usually needed a sighted person's help getting my papers correctly > formatted so everything looks right on the page. > > HTH, > Karl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Christina Moore via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 15:21:59 -0400 > Subject: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges > > Hello Everyone, > > I am wondering if it is just me or do other blind people have challenges > academically that are due to their blindness. > Does anyone else find it challenging to search for information in a > textbook? Do you feel it takes longer for you to complete assignments > because it takes you longer to read information that is given to you > utilizing text-to-speech software? Does anyone else find it challenging to > take online tests/exams in the allotted time? > I know that is quite a few questions but I?셫 wondering if it is just me or > if other people have these experiences. > What do you do to manage your assignments, papers and research > articles/information? > Thanks for any and all responses. > Christina > P.S. If I am set to no mail will I receive the responses to this question > since I posted it? > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS- > L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com From kaybaycar at gmail.com Mon Jul 18 22:20:06 2016 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 18:20:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges In-Reply-To: <002a01d1e137$1c6bc210$55434630$@gmail.com> References: <002a01d1e137$1c6bc210$55434630$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Christina, Let's see if I can add anything to this discussion. My professors and bosses have always accused me of working too quickly. I never found that I needed a lot (if any) extra time in undergrad or graduate school when taking tests either online or in Braille. Taking notes is your besty! Seriously, I used to sit with my note taker open and ready and listen to my textbooks or read them in Braille. I took notes either in my own words if I had energy or copied lists of facts or random points if I thought I wouldn't remember them later. If you are reading and you come across a fact you already know or one you believe to be obvious, don't you dare write it down. :) Your brain has already got that, and it will save you time if you simply write out what you won't remember later. How do you know what you don't remember? Well, it comes down to knowing yourself, knowing what you've studied before, and experiencing forgetfulness in different subjects. Do you forget numbers and dates? Do you have a difficult time with names? Do you struggle with concepts? I understand concepts quickly but struggle to remember little things like dates and names. I often wished I could highlight and write all over my books, but it's actually better for your memory to write it out while you're listening or reading in Braille. If the information goes into your brain in multiple ways, then you will remember it better. You can also use a computer and screen reader if Braille isn't your thing, but beware dividing your ears between your book and your screen reader. Jameyann's suggestion to do something with your hands while reading is great. I do that if for some reason I did not wish to take notes. You can also work on memorizing concepts while you're walking or waiting. Our Italian professor told us to go through verb conjugations in our heads every hour. Running down German, French, and Italian vocab and grammar stuff in my head definitely kept me sharp. If you find gaps as you're reviewing it on your daily walks, then you know where to go in the book next time you open it. I believe this could work with concepts in other fields in addition to foreign languages. I have little experience with ?STEM fields though. As for articles, I don't know what your situation is with your DSS office providing you with texts in electronic formats, but I used to be quite clear about how I liked things formatted. I preferred folders with a chapter per file in HTML. Word docs were also good. Know which format will work the best, and ask for your texts in that format. I don't know what my secret is when it came to tests. I had a harder time with foreign language tests that were in grade one Braille, especially because I had to read the Braille and then write out answers on the computer. I generally only needed like 15 extra minutes or so. I think the memorizing helped... No, the first test usually took a few minutes longer, and then after that, the formats usually follow the same order. That helps you know how to study. If you are prepared (or desperate), that test will go by in no time! :) I'll try to think of more... Hope that helped a little. On 7/18/16, Muzamil Ibrahim via NABS-L wrote: > Christina, I agree. You discovered it right! If you want to give a more > meaning to your work and aim for the higher grades, it should take you > longer. This is true for sighted or for blind students. Time management is > the very challenging for many college students, but, if you plan and > prioritize your school work every day, I think you will satisfy with your > work. > Finding information is a little bit challenging. However, if you are working > on your assignments and have your books in an electronic form using JAWS, > open the chapter that you are working on and press control F to do the > search, or, if you have digital talking book or Victor Reader Stream, you > can book mark or highlight them so that you can easily find the information > when you are working on your assignments. My other suggestion is that to > take notes from your lectures. > > Happy to share my school experiences so please feel free to communicate, > Muzamil, > > ----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket > Bidleman via NABS-L > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 2:53 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Cricket Bidleman; Christina Moore > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges > > Christina, > > The answer to all of those questions is yes. It should be for everyone on > this group, and if it's not, then we have a certifiable genius in our midst. > Yes, assignments take longer, for a variety of reasons. > Things can be harder to understand depending on the way you think. > Contrary to popular disbelief, there are some blind people who think very > visually. Yes, there are many challenges that come with being a blind > student. Math, geometry, chemistry, physics, you name it. I was told, in > fact, that I would not pass geometry because I'm blind. I took Honors > Geometry my Freshman year of high school and passed both semesters with very > very high A's. > > Any academic challenge can be overcome with just a little bit of innovation. > I find that any solution is generally specific to the challenge though. The > main issue is time management. Great job in pointing that out. Everyone > manages time a little differently. I always do math first thing when I get > home, and then work my way through to the easier subjects. I'm not saying > you should do that. You have to find a system that works for you. Trial and > error is a way of figuring that out. I always like to do easy stuff last > because if I fall asleep, I won't have problems making up the work in the > morning. > > And that's another problem. Sleep. For me, sleep is put on the back burner, > but that's because I throw all my time and energy into academics. There are > people who don't do that. And sleep is important. > You just have to find the balance that works for you. If you're tired, don't > be afraid to put things away and get some rest. If you don't, you just might > fall asleep on your laptop. I've done that a lot, and yet I still ignore > exhaustion like the plague. > > I realize this might not be the most helpful nonadvice in the world because > I haven't been very specific. Feel free to get back to me on or off-list. > I'll be happy to help however I can! > > Best, > Cricket Bidleman > > On 7/18/16, Christina Moore via NABS-L wrote: >> Hello Everyone, >> >> I am wondering if it is just me or do other blind people have >> challenges academically that are due to their blindness. >> Does anyone else find it challenging to search for information in a >> textbook? Do you feel it takes longer for you to complete assignments >> because it takes you longer to read information that is given to you >> utilizing text-to-speech software? Does anyone else find it >> challenging to take online tests/exams in the allotted time? >> I know that is quite a few questions but I’m wondering if it is just >> me or if other people have these experiences. >> What do you do to manage your assignments, papers and research >> articles/information? >> Thanks for any and all responses. >> Christina >> P.S. If I am set to no mail will I receive the responses to this >> question since I posted it? >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40 >> gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/muzamil.yahya%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie A. McGinnity President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division, Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri "For we walk by faith, not by sight" 2 Cor. 7 From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Mon Jul 18 23:28:53 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:28:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges In-Reply-To: <002a01d1e137$1c6bc210$55434630$@gmail.com> References: <002a01d1e137$1c6bc210$55434630$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <08b601d1e14c$2687e7a0$7397b6e0$@gmail.com> One thing that helped me in Grad School was I read virtually every chapter. Notetaking is a great friend at times. I've found that for reading reading the chapter allows me to participate in clsss discussions, so that's just as good as notetaking, but a lot of my tes were open book. Of course, all of this depends, my undergrad was different, and I didi more notetaking. So was my first grad major. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Muzamil Ibrahim via NABS-L Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 4:58 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Muzamil Ibrahim Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges Christina, I agree. You discovered it right! If you want to give a more meaning to your work and aim for the higher grades, it should take you longer. This is true for sighted or for blind students. Time management is the very challenging for many college students, but, if you plan and prioritize your school work every day, I think you will satisfy with your work. Finding information is a little bit challenging. However, if you are working on your assignments and have your books in an electronic form using JAWS, open the chapter that you are working on and press control F to do the search, or, if you have digital talking book or Victor Reader Stream, you can book mark or highlight them so that you can easily find the information when you are working on your assignments. My other suggestion is that to take notes from your lectures. Happy to share my school experiences so please feel free to communicate, Muzamil, ----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 2:53 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Cricket Bidleman; Christina Moore Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges Christina, The answer to all of those questions is yes. It should be for everyone on this group, and if it's not, then we have a certifiable genius in our midst. Yes, assignments take longer, for a variety of reasons. Things can be harder to understand depending on the way you think. Contrary to popular disbelief, there are some blind people who think very visually. Yes, there are many challenges that come with being a blind student. Math, geometry, chemistry, physics, you name it. I was told, in fact, that I would not pass geometry because I'm blind. I took Honors Geometry my Freshman year of high school and passed both semesters with very very high A's. Any academic challenge can be overcome with just a little bit of innovation. I find that any solution is generally specific to the challenge though. The main issue is time management. Great job in pointing that out. Everyone manages time a little differently. I always do math first thing when I get home, and then work my way through to the easier subjects. I'm not saying you should do that. You have to find a system that works for you. Trial and error is a way of figuring that out. I always like to do easy stuff last because if I fall asleep, I won't have problems making up the work in the morning. And that's another problem. Sleep. For me, sleep is put on the back burner, but that's because I throw all my time and energy into academics. There are people who don't do that. And sleep is important. You just have to find the balance that works for you. If you're tired, don't be afraid to put things away and get some rest. If you don't, you just might fall asleep on your laptop. I've done that a lot, and yet I still ignore exhaustion like the plague. I realize this might not be the most helpful nonadvice in the world because I haven't been very specific. Feel free to get back to me on or off-list. I'll be happy to help however I can! Best, Cricket Bidleman On 7/18/16, Christina Moore via NABS-L wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I am wondering if it is just me or do other blind people have > challenges academically that are due to their blindness. > Does anyone else find it challenging to search for information in a > textbook? Do you feel it takes longer for you to complete assignments > because it takes you longer to read information that is given to you > utilizing text-to-speech software? Does anyone else find it > challenging to take online tests/exams in the allotted time? > I know that is quite a few questions but I’m wondering if it is just > me or if other people have these experiences. > What do you do to manage your assignments, papers and research > articles/information? > Thanks for any and all responses. > Christina > P.S. If I am set to no mail will I receive the responses to this > question since I posted it? > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40 > gmail.com > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/muzamil.yahya%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Mon Jul 18 23:39:28 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:39:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <08d101d1e14d$a119f7a0$e34de6e0$@gmail.com> I have my JAWS at a high rate of speed. When I'm reading for contact, I might slow it down, but even then, it's fast. Also, for assignments, I arrange them so that the information is easy to find. I may take a day to arrange everything to my liking. I consider that an accomplishment. In other words, I set that as a goal, and consider that I have reached my goal for that day when I get that done. Even if it takes me just thirty of forty minutes. Research sometimes took a little longer, but that's where reading the chapter, and knowing yourself comes into play. Prior knowledge can cut down some time because you know what you are looking for, and when you get the info, it's easier to assimilate. What exactly are you having issues with? Also, look at the self-advocacy page. You may find some basic ideas to help you. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christina Moore via NABS-L Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 3:22 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Christina Moore Subject: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges Hello Everyone, I am wondering if it is just me or do other blind people have challenges academically that are due to their blindness. Does anyone else find it challenging to search for information in a textbook? Do you feel it takes longer for you to complete assignments because it takes you longer to read information that is given to you utilizing text-to-speech software? Does anyone else find it challenging to take online tests/exams in the allotted time? I know that is quite a few questions but I’m wondering if it is just me or if other people have these experiences. What do you do to manage your assignments, papers and research articles/information? Thanks for any and all responses. Christina P.S. If I am set to no mail will I receive the responses to this question since I posted it? _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Mon Jul 18 23:40:29 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:40:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <08d201d1e14d$c685e490$5391adb0$@gmail.com> I meant to say, when I'm reading for content, I may slow my speech down some. But most of the time, I read everything at a high rate of speed. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christina Moore via NABS-L Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 3:22 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Christina Moore Subject: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges Hello Everyone, I am wondering if it is just me or do other blind people have challenges academically that are due to their blindness. Does anyone else find it challenging to search for information in a textbook? Do you feel it takes longer for you to complete assignments because it takes you longer to read information that is given to you utilizing text-to-speech software? Does anyone else find it challenging to take online tests/exams in the allotted time? I know that is quite a few questions but I’m wondering if it is just me or if other people have these experiences. What do you do to manage your assignments, papers and research articles/information? Thanks for any and all responses. Christina P.S. If I am set to no mail will I receive the responses to this question since I posted it? _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com From annajee82 at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 00:18:10 2016 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 18:18:10 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Readers Message-ID: <406B1CE9-5293-4012-B15F-9D9283E5FBDF@gmail.com> I'm just wondering about everyone's experiences with readers. I've really only had two semesters in school since I went blind, and am still struggling to work out the whole reader thing. I am a Biology major so the material of my classes is quite technical. I have struggled to find readers that are really good in explaining things. They are always people who have taken the class or a similar class I'm working on, cause otherwise they wouldn't even be able to describe or say a lot of the stuff they need to read. I guess my question is where do you find the best readers, and how do you manage your time with them. Thanks, Anna E Givens From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 00:21:08 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 20:21:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Readers In-Reply-To: <406B1CE9-5293-4012-B15F-9D9283E5FBDF@gmail.com> References: <406B1CE9-5293-4012-B15F-9D9283E5FBDF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <005901d1e153$72e12d30$58a38790$@gmail.com> Could you find Grad Students? Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via NABS-L Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 8:18 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com Subject: [nabs-l] Readers I'm just wondering about everyone's experiences with readers. I've really only had two semesters in school since I went blind, and am still struggling to work out the whole reader thing. I am a Biology major so the material of my classes is quite technical. I have struggled to find readers that are really good in explaining things. They are always people who have taken the class or a similar class I'm working on, cause otherwise they wouldn't even be able to describe or say a lot of the stuff they need to read. I guess my question is where do you find the best readers, and how do you manage your time with them. Thanks, Anna E Givens _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From munawarb at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 00:48:16 2016 From: munawarb at gmail.com (Munawar Bijani) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 20:48:16 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Readers In-Reply-To: <406B1CE9-5293-4012-B15F-9D9283E5FBDF@gmail.com> References: <406B1CE9-5293-4012-B15F-9D9283E5FBDF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <649CEF61-C592-4FCB-AA1D-323A86BBCDC7@gmail.com> You should ask the department if there are any doctoral students who will read for you. For something like biology you need someone who's familiar with everything. And in any sort of STEM major there are a lot of symbols they will need to recognize without fumbling, else you're trying to figure out what the reader means and are also taking the exam. > On Jul 18, 2016, at 8:18 PM, Anna via NABS-L wrote: > > I'm just wondering about everyone's experiences with readers. I've really only had two semesters in school since I went blind, and am still struggling to work out the whole reader thing. I am a Biology major so the material of my classes is quite technical. > I have struggled to find readers that are really good in explaining things. They are always people who have taken the class or a similar class I'm working on, cause otherwise they wouldn't even be able to describe or say a lot of the stuff they need to read. I guess my question is where do you find the best readers, and how do you manage your time with them. > > Thanks, > > > Anna E Givens > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/munawarb%40gmail.com From awildheir at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 01:31:38 2016 From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 21:31:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0CE42A55-2B9E-4FAF-AB62-E739B0309F7F@gmail.com> I am interested in this thread so on list would be great for folks like me. I will say that I have difficulties with all of the things you listed. As far as sleep goes, I find myself falling asleep when I am listening to assignment ya on the computer or in voice dream. I have started using my iPhone to help me remember a lot of things including assignments or deadlines. Any little thing I put it in my reminders. I even schedule reminders for specific times or when I leave or arrive somewhere. Time management is a huge issue for me. Part of that is because I am ADD as we'l. I have an app on my phone called chime. It can go off every hour, half hour, fifteen minutes, or some other choices I cannot remember. You can set the quiet times and what sound you want it to use. I find it helpful because I will get distracted doing something else other than work and it helps me keep track of how long I was doing something else. Before I did this, I would spend much longer doing things that were not productive. There are also some apps that implore a study method that has 4 sets of sessions with breaks. I think the session is something like 25 minutes with a 5 minute break and then you have a larger session with a larger break. (Someone chime in here if this sounds familiar to you because I cannot remember the name.). I am one of those blind visual thinkers. It is a pain in my you know what!!! I try to make mental pictures in my mind but that always doesn't work. I look forward to sharing ideas with all of you. I wish I had found you all earlier. Aimee Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 18, 2016, at 3:53 PM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: > > Christina, > > The answer to all of those questions is yes. It should be for everyone > on this group, and if it's not, then we have a certifiable genius in > our midst. Yes, assignments take longer, for a variety of reasons. > Things can be harder to understand depending on the way you think. > Contrary to popular disbelief, there are some blind people who think > very visually. Yes, there are many challenges that come with being a > blind student. Math, geometry, chemistry, physics, you name it. I was > told, in fact, that I would not pass geometry because I'm blind. I > took Honors Geometry my Freshman year of high school and passed both > semesters with very very high A's. > > Any academic challenge can be overcome with just a little bit of > innovation. I find that any solution is generally specific to the > challenge though. The main issue is time management. Great job in > pointing that out. Everyone manages time a little differently. I > always do math first thing when I get home, and then work my way > through to the easier subjects. I'm not saying you should do that. You > have to find a system that works for you. Trial and error is a way of > figuring that out. I always like to do easy stuff last because if I > fall asleep, I won't have problems making up the work in the morning. > > And that's another problem. Sleep. For me, sleep is put on the back > burner, but that's because I throw all my time and energy into > academics. There are people who don't do that. And sleep is important. > You just have to find the balance that works for you. If you're tired, > don't be afraid to put things away and get some rest. If you don't, > you just might fall asleep on your laptop. I've done that a lot, and > yet I still ignore exhaustion like the plague. > > I realize this might not be the most helpful nonadvice in the world > because I haven't been very specific. Feel free to get back to me on > or off-list. I'll be happy to help however I can! > > Best, > Cricket Bidleman > >> On 7/18/16, Christina Moore via NABS-L wrote: >> Hello Everyone, >> >> I am wondering if it is just me or do other blind people have challenges >> academically that are due to their blindness. >> Does anyone else find it challenging to search for information in a >> textbook? Do you feel it takes longer for you to complete assignments >> because it takes you longer to read information that is given to you >> utilizing text-to-speech software? Does anyone else find it challenging to >> take online tests/exams in the allotted time? >> I know that is quite a few questions but I’m wondering if it is just me or >> if other people have these experiences. >> What do you do to manage your assignments, papers and research >> articles/information? >> Thanks for any and all responses. >> Christina >> P.S. If I am set to no mail will I receive the responses to this question >> since I posted it? >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com From muzamil.yahya at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 01:33:03 2016 From: muzamil.yahya at gmail.com (Muzamil Ibrahim) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 20:33:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Readers In-Reply-To: <406B1CE9-5293-4012-B15F-9D9283E5FBDF@gmail.com> References: <406B1CE9-5293-4012-B15F-9D9283E5FBDF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001201d1e15d$7f8de9b0$7ea9bd10$@gmail.com> Anna , I only used the reader once in my statistics class because Disability Services failed to keep its promise to get me the braille book for the course. I found that reader through Tutoring Center. I went there for several days to work with different tooters and found one who worked well for me. When I was with my reader, I often wrote concepts, visual descriptions, or sometimes recorded as the reader read to me. I also used the sketchpad. It helped me with drawing raised graphic pictures, which enabled me to get more out of the course. Before I sat with the reader, I read books with my JAWS several times, and mark when I did not understand the visual concept and, mostly, bring those to the table. I did not only rely on my reader for that period of the semester, but I worked with my classmates. We sometimes studied together after class and caught up with the class that way. Happy to share so please feel free to connect, Muzamil, -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via NABS-L Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 7:18 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com Subject: [nabs-l] Readers I'm just wondering about everyone's experiences with readers. I've really only had two semesters in school since I went blind, and am still struggling to work out the whole reader thing. I am a Biology major so the material of my classes is quite technical. I have struggled to find readers that are really good in explaining things. They are always people who have taken the class or a similar class I'm working on, cause otherwise they wouldn't even be able to describe or say a lot of the stuff they need to read. I guess my question is where do you find the best readers, and how do you manage your time with them. Thanks, Anna E Givens _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/muzamil.yahya%40gmail.co m From awildheir at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 01:48:35 2016 From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 21:48:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges In-Reply-To: <9F2545FFA2954BDA8B7723E942D15C8A@OwnerPC> References: <578d3435.075a810a.9a9d3.5d02@mx.google.com> <014301d1e133$9b3fb3c0$d1bf1b40$@gmail.com> <9F2545FFA2954BDA8B7723E942D15C8A@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <9325BC7B-DA12-41B5-B01D-8042DB222E21@gmail.com> Hello Ashly. I will agree with you on the extra time and fewer credits. I wish those who take full credits and or double major would write a book on their process. I would love to be able to do that. As far as research goes, I am in law school and I use the iPad version of lexis nexus and WestLaw which are pretty accessible. Blue book citations can be fun. I have not been required to use footnotes as of yet. Footnotes will happen in the spring. Aimee Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 18, 2016, at 5:50 PM, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L wrote: > > Jameyanne, > > I agree. You said it nicely to summarize the challenges of research. I also found all that to be the case. I know some NFbers are against extended time, but I find it necessary to do well. I use extended time on exams. For assignments, I sometimes get extentions particulary for research. > > For research, databases are a mixed bag. Yes, jstor is fairly usable but the pdfs are usually scanned images. > I have had the same difficulty citing sources because I don't always know the page numbers since that does not scan well or if I use a reader, the reader forgets to announce pages. > I also take extra time in the library finding print material such as books. > > Time management is a good thing to master. For me, I did my homework and reading late afternoon and evening. II t also depended on my reader's schedule. Typically, my readers were available at 3:30 or later. Often, I'd use a reader right before dinner or right after dinner at 7:30. > Like some of you, I also threw my energy into academics and neglected sleep. > > Great discussion. I always took less credits than most students and took longer in college. I thought I was the only one though as many blind students here take 18 credits and double major. > > So, yes its challenging but you have to find what works for you. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- From: Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 4:33 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Cc: Jameyanne Fuller > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges > > My answer is also yes and no. I find I can search within a textbook or > article faster because I can use a search function to find exactly what I'm > looking for. On the other hand, I've also found that I take in and remember > information better if I read it in Braille than if I listen to it using > JAWS or the speech on my BrailleNote. It's faster to listen, but I > inevitably lose focus or fall asleep. Like Cricket, sleep is always like my > last priority, which is a bad idea. On the other hand, I don't read Braille > quite as fast as my sighted peers read print, so sometimes listening > becomes the only option if I want to keep up. One solution I've come up > with is to have something to do with my hands while I'm listening to an > article or textbook. I make gimp lanyards, fiddle with a puzzle, draw with > my tactile drawing board, knit, wander around cleaning up my room and > folding laundry and such. It's not a perfect solution, but it helps. > In terms of research, I think that definitely takes me more time, > especially since I need assistance finding books in the library and then > have to wait for the disabilities services office to scan them. Databases > can be a mixed bag. I've found JSTOR to be pretty accessible. > One problem I've had a lot is the lack of page numbers in scanned documents > or even page numbers in strange places so I could never tell what was on > which page and it was never consistent across the scanned documents from > disabilities services. I usually figured it out for each book and made sure > to make my professors aware of the problem so they wouldn't take points off > if my intext citations cited the wrong page or so they would give me a > phrase to find in the book rather than a page number when discussing things > in class. > Take all of this with a grain of salt, because I was last in school two > years ago, and things might be different for me when I start up again this > fall. > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin > Adam via NABS-L > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 3:55 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Karl Martin Adam > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges > > Well, the answer to this is yes and no. I find that I read significantly > faster than cited people because my text to speech set to the top speed is > faster than they can read, and it's significantly easier for me to find > things in the book because I can search while they have to flip through > their paper copy. > Doing research on the other hand is much more time consuming for me because > of the difficulty of using databases and because of the inaccessibility of > print books in the library that sighted students can use. I also have > usually needed a sighted person's help getting my papers correctly > formatted so everything looks right on the page. > > HTH, > Karl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Christina Moore via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 15:21:59 -0400 > Subject: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges > > Hello Everyone, > > I am wondering if it is just me or do other blind people have challenges > academically that are due to their blindness. > Does anyone else find it challenging to search for information in a > textbook? Do you feel it takes longer for you to complete assignments > because it takes you longer to read information that is given to you > utilizing text-to-speech software? Does anyone else find it challenging to > take online tests/exams in the allotted time? > I know that is quite a few questions but I?셫 wondering if it is just me or > if other people have these experiences. > What do you do to manage your assignments, papers and research > articles/information? > Thanks for any and all responses. > Christina > P.S. If I am set to no mail will I receive the responses to this question > since I posted it? > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS- > L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com From awildheir at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 02:02:14 2016 From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 22:02:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Readers In-Reply-To: <001201d1e15d$7f8de9b0$7ea9bd10$@gmail.com> References: <406B1CE9-5293-4012-B15F-9D9283E5FBDF@gmail.com> <001201d1e15d$7f8de9b0$7ea9bd10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3DCABD6A-7298-4828-B871-D66FA6995821@gmail.com> Muzamil, I have noticed you mention something about a tactile scratchpad. What is this little gem you speak of? I think it could be very helpful in many ways. I think that would even be helpful for a law student like myself. Aimee Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 18, 2016, at 9:33 PM, Muzamil Ibrahim via NABS-L wrote: > > Anna , I only used the reader once in my statistics class because Disability > Services failed to keep its promise to get me the braille book for the > course. I found that reader through Tutoring Center. I went there for > several days to work with different tooters and found one who worked well > for me. When I was with my reader, I often wrote concepts, visual > descriptions, or sometimes recorded as the reader read to me. I also used > the sketchpad. It helped me with drawing raised graphic pictures, which > enabled me to get more out of the course. > Before I sat with the reader, I read books with my JAWS several times, and > mark when I did not understand the visual concept and, mostly, bring those > to the table. I did not only rely on my reader for that period of the > semester, but I worked with my classmates. We sometimes studied together > after class and caught up with the class that way. > > Happy to share so please feel free to connect, Muzamil, > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via NABS-L > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 7:18 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com > Subject: [nabs-l] Readers > > I'm just wondering about everyone's experiences with readers. I've really > only had two semesters in school since I went blind, and am still struggling > to work out the whole reader thing. I am a Biology major so the material of > my classes is quite technical. > I have struggled to find readers that are really good in explaining things. > They are always people who have taken the class or a similar class I'm > working on, cause otherwise they wouldn't even be able to describe or say a > lot of the stuff they need to read. I guess my question is where do you > find the best readers, and how do you manage your time with them. > > Thanks, > > > Anna E Givens > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/muzamil.yahya%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com From jameyanne at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 02:14:00 2016 From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 22:14:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges In-Reply-To: <9325BC7B-DA12-41B5-B01D-8042DB222E21@gmail.com> References: <578d3435.075a810a.9a9d3.5d02@mx.google.com> <014301d1e133$9b3fb3c0$d1bf1b40$@gmail.com> <9F2545FFA2954BDA8B7723E942D15C8A@OwnerPC> <9325BC7B-DA12-41B5-B01D-8042DB222E21@gmail.com> Message-ID: <01b101d1e163$37143c60$a53cb520$@gmail.com> Amy, I haven't started law school, butt I volunteered for the NH disabilities rights center this past year, and they showed me how to use Westlaw and how to do footnote citations. I found footnotes worked pretty well with JAWS in MS Word, and I didn't have any trouble using the Westlaw website on my laptop. Then again, I wasn't doing very complicated stuff, so I might not have the full picture. Jameyanne -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee Harwood via NABS-L Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 9:49 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Aimee Harwood Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges Hello Ashly. I will agree with you on the extra time and fewer credits. I wish those who take full credits and or double major would write a book on their process. I would love to be able to do that. As far as research goes, I am in law school and I use the iPad version of lexis nexus and WestLaw which are pretty accessible. Blue book citations can be fun. I have not been required to use footnotes as of yet. Footnotes will happen in the spring. Aimee Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 18, 2016, at 5:50 PM, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L wrote: > > Jameyanne, > > I agree. You said it nicely to summarize the challenges of research. I also found all that to be the case. I know some NFbers are against extended time, but I find it necessary to do well. I use extended time on exams. For assignments, I sometimes get extentions particulary for research. > > For research, databases are a mixed bag. Yes, jstor is fairly usable but the pdfs are usually scanned images. > I have had the same difficulty citing sources because I don't always know the page numbers since that does not scan well or if I use a reader, the reader forgets to announce pages. > I also take extra time in the library finding print material such as books. > > Time management is a good thing to master. For me, I did my homework and reading late afternoon and evening. II t also depended on my reader's schedule. Typically, my readers were available at 3:30 or later. Often, I'd use a reader right before dinner or right after dinner at 7:30. > Like some of you, I also threw my energy into academics and neglected sleep. > > Great discussion. I always took less credits than most students and took longer in college. I thought I was the only one though as many blind students here take 18 credits and double major. > > So, yes its challenging but you have to find what works for you. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- From: Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 4:33 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Cc: Jameyanne Fuller > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges > > My answer is also yes and no. I find I can search within a textbook or > article faster because I can use a search function to find exactly what I'm > looking for. On the other hand, I've also found that I take in and remember > information better if I read it in Braille than if I listen to it using > JAWS or the speech on my BrailleNote. It's faster to listen, but I > inevitably lose focus or fall asleep. Like Cricket, sleep is always like my > last priority, which is a bad idea. On the other hand, I don't read Braille > quite as fast as my sighted peers read print, so sometimes listening > becomes the only option if I want to keep up. One solution I've come up > with is to have something to do with my hands while I'm listening to an > article or textbook. I make gimp lanyards, fiddle with a puzzle, draw with > my tactile drawing board, knit, wander around cleaning up my room and > folding laundry and such. It's not a perfect solution, but it helps. > In terms of research, I think that definitely takes me more time, > especially since I need assistance finding books in the library and then > have to wait for the disabilities services office to scan them. Databases > can be a mixed bag. I've found JSTOR to be pretty accessible. > One problem I've had a lot is the lack of page numbers in scanned documents > or even page numbers in strange places so I could never tell what was on > which page and it was never consistent across the scanned documents from > disabilities services. I usually figured it out for each book and made sure > to make my professors aware of the problem so they wouldn't take points off > if my intext citations cited the wrong page or so they would give me a > phrase to find in the book rather than a page number when discussing things > in class. > Take all of this with a grain of salt, because I was last in school two > years ago, and things might be different for me when I start up again this > fall. > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin > Adam via NABS-L > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 3:55 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Karl Martin Adam > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges > > Well, the answer to this is yes and no. I find that I read significantly > faster than cited people because my text to speech set to the top speed is > faster than they can read, and it's significantly easier for me to find > things in the book because I can search while they have to flip through > their paper copy. > Doing research on the other hand is much more time consuming for me because > of the difficulty of using databases and because of the inaccessibility of > print books in the library that sighted students can use. I also have > usually needed a sighted person's help getting my papers correctly > formatted so everything looks right on the page. > > HTH, > Karl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Christina Moore via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 15:21:59 -0400 > Subject: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges > > Hello Everyone, > > I am wondering if it is just me or do other blind people have challenges > academically that are due to their blindness. > Does anyone else find it challenging to search for information in a > textbook? Do you feel it takes longer for you to complete assignments > because it takes you longer to read information that is given to you > utilizing text-to-speech software? Does anyone else find it challenging to > take online tests/exams in the allotted time? > I know that is quite a few questions but I?셫 wondering if it is just me or > if other people have these experiences. > What do you do to manage your assignments, papers and research > articles/information? > Thanks for any and all responses. > Christina > P.S. If I am set to no mail will I receive the responses to this question > since I posted it? > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS- > L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com From muzamil.yahya at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 04:14:42 2016 From: muzamil.yahya at gmail.com (Muzamil Ibrahim) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 23:14:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Readers In-Reply-To: <3DCABD6A-7298-4828-B871-D66FA6995821@gmail.com> References: <406B1CE9-5293-4012-B15F-9D9283E5FBDF@gmail.com> <001201d1e15d$7f8de9b0$7ea9bd10$@gmail.com> <3DCABD6A-7298-4828-B871-D66FA6995821@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001d1e174$15192380$3f4b6a80$@gmail.com> Aimee, I think someone might explain better than this. This device is used to draw a raised line. It comes with a stylus and 25 drawing sheets for creating raised line and the Eraser. When I ran out of papers, I bought them through American Printing house for the blind. During the time I was in stat class, I often worked with histograms and normal distributions. Since I did not have braille books to learn what they were, I asked my reader to sketch them for me and learned them that Way. When I am in class, I asked my classmate to draw on my sketchpad as my professor draw lines on the board. Below is their website. www.easytactilegraphics.com Muzamil, -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee Harwood via NABS-L Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 9:02 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Aimee Harwood Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Readers Muzamil, I have noticed you mention something about a tactile scratchpad. What is this little gem you speak of? I think it could be very helpful in many ways. I think that would even be helpful for a law student like myself. Aimee Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 18, 2016, at 9:33 PM, Muzamil Ibrahim via NABS-L wrote: > > Anna , I only used the reader once in my statistics class because > Disability Services failed to keep its promise to get me the braille > book for the course. I found that reader through Tutoring Center. I > went there for several days to work with different tooters and found > one who worked well for me. When I was with my reader, I often wrote > concepts, visual descriptions, or sometimes recorded as the reader > read to me. I also used the sketchpad. It helped me with drawing > raised graphic pictures, which enabled me to get more out of the course. > Before I sat with the reader, I read books with my JAWS several times, > and mark when I did not understand the visual concept and, mostly, > bring those to the table. I did not only rely on my reader for that > period of the semester, but I worked with my classmates. We sometimes > studied together after class and caught up with the class that way. > > Happy to share so please feel free to connect, Muzamil, > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via > NABS-L > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 7:18 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com > Subject: [nabs-l] Readers > > I'm just wondering about everyone's experiences with readers. I've > really only had two semesters in school since I went blind, and am > still struggling to work out the whole reader thing. I am a Biology > major so the material of my classes is quite technical. > I have struggled to find readers that are really good in explaining things. > They are always people who have taken the class or a similar class I'm > working on, cause otherwise they wouldn't even be able to describe or > say a lot of the stuff they need to read. I guess my question is > where do you find the best readers, and how do you manage your time with them. > > Thanks, > > > Anna E Givens > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/muzamil.yahya%40gm > ail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail. > com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/muzamil.yahya%40gmail.co m From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Jul 19 04:42:05 2016 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 00:42:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] any library science majors Message-ID: <9E66D472867848658F13AD76A2CF7365@OwnerPC> Hi all, I’m contemplating my career and have not ruled out grad school. But there is more work including reading and research in grad school which has kept me away so far. I’ve thought about being a librarian. Are there any masters of library science degree seekers here? I’ve never heard of a blind librarian either. I know some librarians work in talking books or adaptive technology areas, but they are sighted. I’d be interested to know about your studies getting a MLS. what school are you at? What types of classes do you have and how many credits is the program? Thanks. Ashley From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 04:45:44 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 00:45:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] any library science majors In-Reply-To: <9E66D472867848658F13AD76A2CF7365@OwnerPC> References: <9E66D472867848658F13AD76A2CF7365@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <011b01d1e178$69973f60$3cc5be20$@gmail.com> No, but there is going to be a very high amount of research and information gathering, because you will have to be able to find things for other people in databases after they've tried to and failed. Some of that is knowing the databases and how to search, but you've got alot of that to do. I have friends who have gone through that major. It's a great field. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 12:42 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Ashley Bramlett Subject: [nabs-l] any library science majors Hi all, I’m contemplating my career and have not ruled out grad school. But there is more work including reading and research in grad school which has kept me away so far. I’ve thought about being a librarian. Are there any masters of library science degree seekers here? I’ve never heard of a blind librarian either. I know some librarians work in talking books or adaptive technology areas, but they are sighted. I’d be interested to know about your studies getting a MLS. what school are you at? What types of classes do you have and how many credits is the program? Thanks. Ashley _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Jul 19 05:04:43 2016 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 01:04:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] any library science majors In-Reply-To: <011b01d1e178$69973f60$3cc5be20$@gmail.com> References: <9E66D472867848658F13AD76A2CF7365@OwnerPC> <011b01d1e178$69973f60$3cc5be20$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Justin, good point. I've been told I'm good at research but it doesn't feel like it when I'm dealing with print sources. Not all librarians provide reference services. I like history. part of me thought that if I got a MLS degree that I could work in a history museum. I also like the idea of running children's programs at a library, being a children's librarian. In public libraries, the youth librarian does look for information, providing reference services to the public. But I do not know to what extent they do reference services. Its just a thought I had since I have been told I'd make a good librarian or teacher. Maybe I can be a library assistant, meaning I'd work in a library without that MLS. I just hope to get a entry level job meanwhile using my communication skills. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Justin Williams via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 12:45 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Justin Williams Subject: Re: [nabs-l] any library science majors No, but there is going to be a very high amount of research and information gathering, because you will have to be able to find things for other people in databases after they've tried to and failed. Some of that is knowing the databases and how to search, but you've got alot of that to do. I have friends who have gone through that major. It's a great field. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 12:42 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Ashley Bramlett Subject: [nabs-l] any library science majors Hi all, I’m contemplating my career and have not ruled out grad school. But there is more work including reading and research in grad school which has kept me away so far. I’ve thought about being a librarian. Are there any masters of library science degree seekers here? I’ve never heard of a blind librarian either. I know some librarians work in talking books or adaptive technology areas, but they are sighted. I’d be interested to know about your studies getting a MLS. what school are you at? What types of classes do you have and how many credits is the program? Thanks. Ashley _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 05:14:25 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 01:14:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] any library science majors In-Reply-To: References: <9E66D472867848658F13AD76A2CF7365@OwnerPC> <011b01d1e178$69973f60$3cc5be20$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001501d1e17c$6b5434d0$41fc9e70$@gmail.com> You might indeed make a good librarian. Continue to investigate. There is no reason you can't, and every reason you can. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 1:05 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Ashley Bramlett Subject: Re: [nabs-l] any library science majors Justin, good point. I've been told I'm good at research but it doesn't feel like it when I'm dealing with print sources. Not all librarians provide reference services. I like history. part of me thought that if I got a MLS degree that I could work in a history museum. I also like the idea of running children's programs at a library, being a children's librarian. In public libraries, the youth librarian does look for information, providing reference services to the public. But I do not know to what extent they do reference services. Its just a thought I had since I have been told I'd make a good librarian or teacher. Maybe I can be a library assistant, meaning I'd work in a library without that MLS. I just hope to get a entry level job meanwhile using my communication skills. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Justin Williams via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 12:45 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Justin Williams Subject: Re: [nabs-l] any library science majors No, but there is going to be a very high amount of research and information gathering, because you will have to be able to find things for other people in databases after they've tried to and failed. Some of that is knowing the databases and how to search, but you've got alot of that to do. I have friends who have gone through that major. It's a great field. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 12:42 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Ashley Bramlett Subject: [nabs-l] any library science majors Hi all, I’m contemplating my career and have not ruled out grad school. But there is more work including reading and research in grad school which has kept me away so far. I’ve thought about being a librarian. Are there any masters of library science degree seekers here? I’ve never heard of a blind librarian either. I know some librarians work in talking books or adaptive technology areas, but they are sighted. I’d be interested to know about your studies getting a MLS. what school are you at? What types of classes do you have and how many credits is the program? Thanks. Ashley _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com From jameyanne at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 13:26:31 2016 From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:26:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] any library science majors In-Reply-To: <001501d1e17c$6b5434d0$41fc9e70$@gmail.com> References: <9E66D472867848658F13AD76A2CF7365@OwnerPC> <011b01d1e178$69973f60$3cc5be20$@gmail.com> <001501d1e17c$6b5434d0$41fc9e70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000901d1e1c1$2a90de90$7fb29bb0$@gmail.com> Hi Ashley, If you enjoy history, have you considered working in a museum? I have a friend who was considering that route (changed her mind because she wanted to get a PhD and become a history professor), but you could do a lot of good work with I think less database searching. You can get a masters in museum studies with an emphasis in your particular time period or region of history. Just throwing it out there as a possibility that struck me while reading your post. It also sounds like you would be a great librarian. Jameyanne -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin Williams via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 1:14 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Justin Williams Subject: Re: [nabs-l] any library science majors You might indeed make a good librarian. Continue to investigate. There is no reason you can't, and every reason you can. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 1:05 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Ashley Bramlett Subject: Re: [nabs-l] any library science majors Justin, good point. I've been told I'm good at research but it doesn't feel like it when I'm dealing with print sources. Not all librarians provide reference services. I like history. part of me thought that if I got a MLS degree that I could work in a history museum. I also like the idea of running children's programs at a library, being a children's librarian. In public libraries, the youth librarian does look for information, providing reference services to the public. But I do not know to what extent they do reference services. Its just a thought I had since I have been told I'd make a good librarian or teacher. Maybe I can be a library assistant, meaning I'd work in a library without that MLS. I just hope to get a entry level job meanwhile using my communication skills. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Justin Williams via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 12:45 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Justin Williams Subject: Re: [nabs-l] any library science majors No, but there is going to be a very high amount of research and information gathering, because you will have to be able to find things for other people in databases after they've tried to and failed. Some of that is knowing the databases and how to search, but you've got alot of that to do. I have friends who have gone through that major. It's a great field. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 12:42 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Ashley Bramlett Subject: [nabs-l] any library science majors Hi all, I’m contemplating my career and have not ruled out grad school. But there is more work including reading and research in grad school which has kept me away so far. I’ve thought about being a librarian. Are there any masters of library science degree seekers here? I’ve never heard of a blind librarian either. I know some librarians work in talking books or adaptive technology areas, but they are sighted. I’d be interested to know about your studies getting a MLS. what school are you at? What types of classes do you have and how many credits is the program? Thanks. Ashley _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com From llstangl6 at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 14:42:23 2016 From: llstangl6 at gmail.com (Laura) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:42:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Readers In-Reply-To: <406B1CE9-5293-4012-B15F-9D9283E5FBDF@gmail.com> References: <406B1CE9-5293-4012-B15F-9D9283E5FBDF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <006c01d1e1cb$c3863be0$4a92b3a0$@gmail.com> I took Biology last year and used a biology major student to read. As I am a visual learner and did not always get what he was describing we went low tech sometimes and got out the legos or playdough, we used kits for some DNA and other sort of cell things that the dss office had, and reached out to the art department, that has a 3-d printer to print some cells. All of this helped me to understand and grasp to concepts. I hope this is a help I know sometime we forget the low tech of learning because of the bad old days of straws and cottonballs to demonstrate. But we should not get stuck in the idea of technology as the be all answer. just keep learning and trying different things, and you will discover what works best for you and your learning style. Laura -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via NABS-L Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 7:18 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com Subject: [nabs-l] Readers I'm just wondering about everyone's experiences with readers. I've really only had two semesters in school since I went blind, and am still struggling to work out the whole reader thing. I am a Biology major so the material of my classes is quite technical. I have struggled to find readers that are really good in explaining things. They are always people who have taken the class or a similar class I'm working on, cause otherwise they wouldn't even be able to describe or say a lot of the stuff they need to read. I guess my question is where do you find the best readers, and how do you manage your time with them. Thanks, Anna E Givens _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/llstangl6%40gmail.com From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 14:54:31 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 07:54:31 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] College and Scholarship Apps Message-ID: Hi All, Since I'll be applying for college, I was hoping some of you wouldn't mind sharing some advice on the application process. I also will be looking around for as many scholarships as I can possibly find, since I really do need them. If any of you have suggestions or advice on either or both, please let me know. Thanks! Best, Cricket Bidleman From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 15:01:09 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 11:01:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] College and Scholarship Apps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003201d1e1ce$62c3b280$284b1780$@gmail.com> Make sure you apply for your state NFB Scholarship. Fill out your Fasfa and make yourself Elgible for Loans and Work Study. Others will add to this I'm sure. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 10:55 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: Cricket Bidleman Subject: [nabs-l] College and Scholarship Apps Hi All, Since I'll be applying for college, I was hoping some of you wouldn't mind sharing some advice on the application process. I also will be looking around for as many scholarships as I can possibly find, since I really do need them. If any of you have suggestions or advice on either or both, please let me know. Thanks! Best, Cricket Bidleman _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From bjduarte at asu.edu Tue Jul 19 15:09:42 2016 From: bjduarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:09:42 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] College and Scholarship Apps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8E9EBAC6-0A99-4545-8497-1A3A6C23FCDA@asu.edu> Hello Cricket, I must say I see you being so active on this list everyday and I love it! I am also glad to hear that you are about to be attending school and applying for scholarships, as this is a very important aspect of your educational career. The first thing I would encourage you to do is visit your college or universities scholarship portal. Each college should have a portal you can access for scholarships. That is your best bet for receive scholarships since they would only be awarded to students from your respective college or university. The second thing I would encourage you to do is apply for the NFB national scholarship and your local state scholarship program if there is one where you live. As a national I look forward to hearing more about what you are doing and keep up your activity on this list it is great to have such a friendly, inquisitive, and outgoing student participating on this list. Have a great day! Go Devils! Bryan Duarte software engineer ASU Computer Science Ph.D candidate QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/ “let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.” -- St. Teresa of Avila > On Jul 19, 2016, at 7:54 AM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: > > Cricket From spnfb14 at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 15:24:51 2016 From: spnfb14 at gmail.com (Sherry Pablo) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 08:24:51 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Readers In-Reply-To: <006c01d1e1cb$c3863be0$4a92b3a0$@gmail.com> References: <406B1CE9-5293-4012-B15F-9D9283E5FBDF@gmail.com> <006c01d1e1cb$c3863be0$4a92b3a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Anna, I am also a Biology major and had those exact same questions when I went back to school after losing my sight. By this time, I was only taking upper division science courses like Biochemistry, Immunology, and Molecular Endocrinology, so I can relate to your needs of having a reader who understands the material and can explain it well. There were a few ways I found readers. Once, my DOR counselor referred one to me who was vendorized with the state I live in. There were times the volunteer notetaker in my class agreed to work with me every couple of weeks to go over material I had questions on. Sometimes, I would work with my classmates in a study group; this was usually before a big exam. There were a couple of times that I was directed to someone known by the DSS office who tutored someone in the past. Another time, I posted a job listing on the student job website for my school advertising for a science reader, listing the specific classes and help I needed. Another great resource is your professor's office hours if they have them. A couple of my professors would stay after class to answer my questions. Understanding the material as best as you can will help in managing time with a reader, especially if they are being paid. I usually can't do more than 3 hours with a reader at one time. I typically met with someone twice a week, depending on the number of classes I was taking and the difficulty of the material. Also, if you will be working with someone throughout the semester, give them a copy of your syllabus if they are not in the class so they know what topics you will be covering each week. My reader liked to prepare a little by skimming through her old notes or a textbook. And, always let them know what goals you want to accomplish for that day's meeting. Hope this helps, Sherry On 7/19/16, Laura via NABS-L wrote: > I took Biology last year and used a biology major student to read. As I am > a > visual learner and did not always get what he was describing we went low > tech sometimes and got out the legos or playdough, we used kits for some > DNA > and other sort of cell things that the dss office had, and reached out to > the art department, that has a 3-d printer to print some cells. All of > this > helped me to understand and grasp to concepts. I hope this is a help I know > sometime we forget the low tech of learning because of the bad old days of > straws and cottonballs to demonstrate. But we should not get stuck in the > idea of technology as the be all answer. just keep learning and trying > different things, and you will discover what works best for you and your > learning style. > > Laura > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via > NABS-L > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 7:18 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com > Subject: [nabs-l] Readers > > I'm just wondering about everyone's experiences with readers. I've really > only had two semesters in school since I went blind, and am still > struggling > to work out the whole reader thing. I am a Biology major so the material > of > my classes is quite technical. > I have struggled to find readers that are really good in explaining things. > They are always people who have taken the class or a similar class I'm > working on, cause otherwise they wouldn't even be able to describe or say a > lot of the stuff they need to read. I guess my question is where do you > find the best readers, and how do you manage your time with them. > > Thanks, > > > Anna E Givens > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/llstangl6%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/spnfb14%40gmail.com > From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 16:19:57 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:19:57 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] College and Scholarship Apps In-Reply-To: <8E9EBAC6-0A99-4545-8497-1A3A6C23FCDA@asu.edu> References: <8E9EBAC6-0A99-4545-8497-1A3A6C23FCDA@asu.edu> Message-ID: Justin and Brian, I'll definitely be applying for the NFB of California and NFB national scholarships. I can only hope to be lucky enough to get some of them. Hopefully the FAFSA deadline will come out soon so that I can work on that too. I have to get into college first, before I can get a scholarship from any particular school. Stanford is my dream school, of course. Berkeley is a good one too. Still looking for others. On 7/19/16, Bryan Duarte wrote: > > Hello Cricket, > > I must say I see you being so active on this list everyday and I love it! I > am also glad to hear that you are about to be attending school and applying > for scholarships, as this is a very important aspect of your educational > career. > > The first thing I would encourage you to do is visit your college or > universities scholarship portal. Each college should have a portal you can > access for scholarships. That is your best bet for receive scholarships > since they would only be awarded to students from your respective college or > university. The second thing I would encourage you to do is apply for the > NFB national scholarship and your local state scholarship program if there > is one where you live. As a national > > I look forward to hearing more about what you are doing and keep up your > activity on this list it is great to have such a friendly, inquisitive, and > outgoing student participating on this list. Have a great day! > > Go Devils! > > Bryan Duarte software engineer > ASU Computer Science Ph.D candidate > QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/ > > “let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing > away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks > nothing; God alone suffices.” > -- St. Teresa of Avila > >> On Jul 19, 2016, at 7:54 AM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Cricket > > From jameyanne at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 17:21:14 2016 From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 13:21:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] College and Scholarship Apps In-Reply-To: References: <8E9EBAC6-0A99-4545-8497-1A3A6C23FCDA@asu.edu> Message-ID: <003001d1e1e1$f4bd8f90$de38aeb0$@gmail.com> Cricket, you can't start the FAFSA until January 1 of next year, because you use your (or your parents') 2016 tax returns. Your schools will probably all have individual financial aid application deadlines on their websites (or maybe it's all the same for undergrad, I don't remember). Try to make sure you and your parents have all the relevanttaxes done as soon as possible after January 1 (I think you can do the FAFSA without filing but you'll need the information and it's a whole lot easier if you have the tax forms in front of you and can just enter the numbers it asks for). In any case, your schools will tell you what to do and when to do it by. Jameyanne -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 12:20 PM To: Bryan Duarte Cc: Cricket Bidleman ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College and Scholarship Apps Justin and Brian, I'll definitely be applying for the NFB of California and NFB national scholarships. I can only hope to be lucky enough to get some of them. Hopefully the FAFSA deadline will come out soon so that I can work on that too. I have to get into college first, before I can get a scholarship from any particular school. Stanford is my dream school, of course. Berkeley is a good one too. Still looking for others. On 7/19/16, Bryan Duarte wrote: > > Hello Cricket, > > I must say I see you being so active on this list everyday and I love it! I > am also glad to hear that you are about to be attending school and applying > for scholarships, as this is a very important aspect of your educational > career. > > The first thing I would encourage you to do is visit your college or > universities scholarship portal. Each college should have a portal you can > access for scholarships. That is your best bet for receive scholarships > since they would only be awarded to students from your respective college or > university. The second thing I would encourage you to do is apply for the > NFB national scholarship and your local state scholarship program if there > is one where you live. As a national > > I look forward to hearing more about what you are doing and keep up your > activity on this list it is great to have such a friendly, inquisitive, and > outgoing student participating on this list. Have a great day! > > Go Devils! > > Bryan Duarte software engineer > ASU Computer Science Ph.D candidate > QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/ > > “let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing > away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks > nothing; God alone suffices.” > -- St. Teresa of Avila > >> On Jul 19, 2016, at 7:54 AM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Cricket > > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com From jameyanne at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 17:21:47 2016 From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 13:21:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] College and Scholarship Apps In-Reply-To: References: <8E9EBAC6-0A99-4545-8497-1A3A6C23FCDA@asu.edu> Message-ID: <003101d1e1e2$08f138e0$1ad3aaa0$@gmail.com> Also definitely apply for NFB scholarships. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 12:20 PM To: Bryan Duarte Cc: Cricket Bidleman ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College and Scholarship Apps Justin and Brian, I'll definitely be applying for the NFB of California and NFB national scholarships. I can only hope to be lucky enough to get some of them. Hopefully the FAFSA deadline will come out soon so that I can work on that too. I have to get into college first, before I can get a scholarship from any particular school. Stanford is my dream school, of course. Berkeley is a good one too. Still looking for others. On 7/19/16, Bryan Duarte wrote: > > Hello Cricket, > > I must say I see you being so active on this list everyday and I love it! I > am also glad to hear that you are about to be attending school and applying > for scholarships, as this is a very important aspect of your educational > career. > > The first thing I would encourage you to do is visit your college or > universities scholarship portal. Each college should have a portal you can > access for scholarships. That is your best bet for receive scholarships > since they would only be awarded to students from your respective college or > university. The second thing I would encourage you to do is apply for the > NFB national scholarship and your local state scholarship program if there > is one where you live. As a national > > I look forward to hearing more about what you are doing and keep up your > activity on this list it is great to have such a friendly, inquisitive, and > outgoing student participating on this list. Have a great day! > > Go Devils! > > Bryan Duarte software engineer > ASU Computer Science Ph.D candidate > QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/ > > “let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing > away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks > nothing; God alone suffices.” > -- St. Teresa of Avila > >> On Jul 19, 2016, at 7:54 AM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Cricket > > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 18:08:19 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 11:08:19 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] College and Scholarship Apps In-Reply-To: <003001d1e1e1$f4bd8f90$de38aeb0$@gmail.com> References: <8E9EBAC6-0A99-4545-8497-1A3A6C23FCDA@asu.edu> <003001d1e1e1$f4bd8f90$de38aeb0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Jameyanne, Thanks so much. I'll definitely keep all that in mind. What can you say about the NFB Scholarship app? I'm new at this type of thing, and the application looked really, really extensive. Thanks! Best, Cricket Bidleman On 7/19/16, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: > Cricket, you can't start the FAFSA until January 1 of next year, because you > use your (or your parents') 2016 tax returns. Your schools will probably all > have individual financial aid application deadlines on their websites (or > maybe it's all the same for undergrad, I don't remember). Try to make sure > you and your parents have all the relevanttaxes done as soon as possible > after January 1 (I think you can do the FAFSA without filing but you'll need > the information and it's a whole lot easier if you have the tax forms in > front of you and can just enter the numbers it asks for). In any case, your > schools will tell you what to do and when to do it by. > Jameyanne > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket > Bidleman via NABS-L > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 12:20 PM > To: Bryan Duarte > Cc: Cricket Bidleman ; National Association of > Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College and Scholarship Apps > > Justin and Brian, > > I'll definitely be applying for the NFB of California and NFB national > scholarships. I can only hope to be lucky enough to get some of them. > Hopefully the FAFSA deadline will come out soon so that I can work on > that too. I have to get into college first, before I can get a > scholarship from any particular school. Stanford is my dream school, > of course. Berkeley is a good one too. Still looking for others. > > On 7/19/16, Bryan Duarte wrote: >> >> Hello Cricket, >> >> I must say I see you being so active on this list everyday and I love it! >> I >> am also glad to hear that you are about to be attending school and >> applying >> for scholarships, as this is a very important aspect of your educational >> career. >> >> The first thing I would encourage you to do is visit your college or >> universities scholarship portal. Each college should have a portal you can >> access for scholarships. That is your best bet for receive scholarships >> since they would only be awarded to students from your respective college >> or >> university. The second thing I would encourage you to do is apply for the >> NFB national scholarship and your local state scholarship program if there >> is one where you live. As a national >> >> I look forward to hearing more about what you are doing and keep up your >> activity on this list it is great to have such a friendly, inquisitive, >> and >> outgoing student participating on this list. Have a great day! >> >> Go Devils! >> >> Bryan Duarte software engineer >> ASU Computer Science Ph.D candidate >> QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/ >> >> “let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing >> away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God >> lacks >> nothing; God alone suffices.” >> -- St. Teresa of Avila >> >>> On Jul 19, 2016, at 7:54 AM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> Cricket >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 18:14:41 2016 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 14:14:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] College and Scholarship Apps In-Reply-To: <003101d1e1e2$08f138e0$1ad3aaa0$@gmail.com> References: <8E9EBAC6-0A99-4545-8497-1A3A6C23FCDA@asu.edu> <003101d1e1e2$08f138e0$1ad3aaa0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Cricket and all, Jameyanne is right, you typically do the Fafsa in the Spring of your senior year of high school for the following school year. This goes for subsequent school years as well. Different schools release the information based on the fafsa at different times, but it's usually at least a month or so after. My university does it in June or July, and I remember the summer before my freshman year was when I had to make loan decisions. Also, a good tip my parents found out later is that if you have a sibling already in college and they need to complete multiple fafsas, there is an IRS tool that allows them to put in the pin information they used on one completed fafsa to copy over all the tax information. You also can use estimates of tax information if your school has an early deadline for fafsa submissions, but your parents will need to correct any false figures they entered once their taxes are finalized so the school has correct information. I hope that gives you a useful timeline of what to expect. About scholarships... do apply for the NFB scholarships that are offered. As someone who has received scholarships from Ohio and from the national organization, I can say that the affiliates and the NFB both really go above and beyond to provide these scholarships for us. The mentoring in the national scholarship program is amazing as well, and for many students the scholarships also help them get more connected with the NFB. On the other hand, don't fall into the trap some students do where they only apply for scholarships from blindness and disability organizations. There are plenty of scholarships out there for students entering certain fields of study, from specific ethnic backgrounds, and from companies and retailers on a local or national scale. Especially if you have the type of grades that can get you into Stanford, you'd probably have a good edge in a lot of those. Sometimes mentioning blindness in those scholarship applications can actually be an asset because it shows that you have just as good of a track record as a sighted applicant, but had to make accommodations or overcome what society sees as a form of adversity to do the same work. Treat that like a job interview, though; sometimes it is better to just apply and not mention blindness at all, whereas other cases might call for it. E.G, I apply for most academic scholarships without mentioning it, but when a question specifically asks why I was drawn to my field of study I am honest in describing ow my own disability led me to receive the services I want to provide for others. Sometimes smaller scholarships are announced in the local newspaper, and following sites like scholarshipzone.com can sometimes help. Good luck, On 7/19/16, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: > Also definitely apply for NFB scholarships. > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket > Bidleman via NABS-L > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 12:20 PM > To: Bryan Duarte > Cc: Cricket Bidleman ; National Association of > Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College and Scholarship Apps > > Justin and Brian, > > I'll definitely be applying for the NFB of California and NFB national > scholarships. I can only hope to be lucky enough to get some of them. > Hopefully the FAFSA deadline will come out soon so that I can work on > that too. I have to get into college first, before I can get a > scholarship from any particular school. Stanford is my dream school, > of course. Berkeley is a good one too. Still looking for others. > > On 7/19/16, Bryan Duarte wrote: >> >> Hello Cricket, >> >> I must say I see you being so active on this list everyday and I love it! >> I >> am also glad to hear that you are about to be attending school and >> applying >> for scholarships, as this is a very important aspect of your educational >> career. >> >> The first thing I would encourage you to do is visit your college or >> universities scholarship portal. Each college should have a portal you can >> access for scholarships. That is your best bet for receive scholarships >> since they would only be awarded to students from your respective college >> or >> university. The second thing I would encourage you to do is apply for the >> NFB national scholarship and your local state scholarship program if there >> is one where you live. As a national >> >> I look forward to hearing more about what you are doing and keep up your >> activity on this list it is great to have such a friendly, inquisitive, >> and >> outgoing student participating on this list. Have a great day! >> >> Go Devils! >> >> Bryan Duarte software engineer >> ASU Computer Science Ph.D candidate >> QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/ >> >> “let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing >> away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God >> lacks >> nothing; God alone suffices.” >> -- St. Teresa of Avila >> >>> On Jul 19, 2016, at 7:54 AM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> Cricket >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti Shelton From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 18:16:38 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 14:16:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] College and Scholarship Apps In-Reply-To: References: <8E9EBAC6-0A99-4545-8497-1A3A6C23FCDA@asu.edu> <003001d1e1e1$f4bd8f90$de38aeb0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <005401d1e1e9$b15b8650$141292f0$@gmail.com> Take it one step at a time, break it up into small pieces. I'm a former scholarship winner in 2014, and that's what I didm. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 2:08 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Cricket Bidleman Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College and Scholarship Apps Jameyanne, Thanks so much. I'll definitely keep all that in mind. What can you say about the NFB Scholarship app? I'm new at this type of thing, and the application looked really, really extensive. Thanks! Best, Cricket Bidleman On 7/19/16, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: > Cricket, you can't start the FAFSA until January 1 of next year, > because you use your (or your parents') 2016 tax returns. Your schools > will probably all have individual financial aid application deadlines > on their websites (or maybe it's all the same for undergrad, I don't > remember). Try to make sure you and your parents have all the > relevanttaxes done as soon as possible after January 1 (I think you > can do the FAFSA without filing but you'll need the information and > it's a whole lot easier if you have the tax forms in front of you and > can just enter the numbers it asks for). In any case, your schools will tell you what to do and when to do it by. > Jameyanne > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket > Bidleman via NABS-L > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 12:20 PM > To: Bryan Duarte > Cc: Cricket Bidleman ; National Association > of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College and Scholarship Apps > > Justin and Brian, > > I'll definitely be applying for the NFB of California and NFB national > scholarships. I can only hope to be lucky enough to get some of them. > Hopefully the FAFSA deadline will come out soon so that I can work on > that too. I have to get into college first, before I can get a > scholarship from any particular school. Stanford is my dream school, > of course. Berkeley is a good one too. Still looking for others. > > On 7/19/16, Bryan Duarte wrote: >> >> Hello Cricket, >> >> I must say I see you being so active on this list everyday and I love it! >> I >> am also glad to hear that you are about to be attending school and >> applying for scholarships, as this is a very important aspect of your >> educational career. >> >> The first thing I would encourage you to do is visit your college or >> universities scholarship portal. Each college should have a portal >> you can access for scholarships. That is your best bet for receive >> scholarships since they would only be awarded to students from your >> respective college or university. The second thing I would encourage >> you to do is apply for the NFB national scholarship and your local >> state scholarship program if there is one where you live. As a >> national >> >> I look forward to hearing more about what you are doing and keep up >> your activity on this list it is great to have such a friendly, >> inquisitive, and outgoing student participating on this list. Have a >> great day! >> >> Go Devils! >> >> Bryan Duarte software engineer >> ASU Computer Science Ph.D candidate >> QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/ >> >> “let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are >> passing >> away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God >> lacks nothing; God alone suffices.” >> -- St. Teresa of Avila >> >>> On Jul 19, 2016, at 7:54 AM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> Cricket >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail. > com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40 > gmail.com > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 18:29:11 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 11:29:11 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] College and Scholarship Apps In-Reply-To: References: <8E9EBAC6-0A99-4545-8497-1A3A6C23FCDA@asu.edu> <003101d1e1e2$08f138e0$1ad3aaa0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Kaiti and Justin, Thanks so much for the advice. A lot of it is stuff I wouldn't really have thought about, but now I can definitely understand. I haven't even been on this thing for a week and already I'm gaining such valuable mentorship and insight. Not everyone could be so lucky. Best, Cricket Bidleman On 7/19/16, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L wrote: > Hi Cricket and all, > > Jameyanne is right, you typically do the Fafsa in the Spring of your > senior year of high school for the following school year. This goes > for subsequent school years as well. Different schools release the > information based on the fafsa at different times, but it's usually at > least a month or so after. My university does it in June or July, and > I remember the summer before my freshman year was when I had to make > loan decisions. Also, a good tip my parents found out later is that > if you have a sibling already in college and they need to complete > multiple fafsas, there is an IRS tool that allows them to put in the > pin information they used on one completed fafsa to copy over all the > tax information. You also can use estimates of tax information if > your school has an early deadline for fafsa submissions, but your > parents will need to correct any false figures they entered once their > taxes are finalized so the school has correct information. I hope > that gives you a useful timeline of what to expect. > > About scholarships... do apply for the NFB scholarships that are > offered. As someone who has received scholarships from Ohio and from > the national organization, I can say that the affiliates and the NFB > both really go above and beyond to provide these scholarships for us. > The mentoring in the national scholarship program is amazing as well, > and for many students the scholarships also help them get more > connected with the NFB. On the other hand, don't fall into the trap > some students do where they only apply for scholarships from blindness > and disability organizations. There are plenty of scholarships out > there for students entering certain fields of study, from specific > ethnic backgrounds, and from companies and retailers on a local or > national scale. Especially if you have the type of grades that can > get you into Stanford, you'd probably have a good edge in a lot of > those. Sometimes mentioning blindness in those scholarship > applications can actually be an asset because it shows that you have > just as good of a track record as a sighted applicant, but had to make > accommodations or overcome what society sees as a form of adversity to > do the same work. Treat that like a job interview, though; sometimes > it is better to just apply and not mention blindness at all, whereas > other cases might call for it. E.G, I apply for most academic > scholarships without mentioning it, but when a question specifically > asks why I was drawn to my field of study I am honest in describing ow > my own disability led me to receive the services I want to provide for > others. Sometimes smaller scholarships are announced in the local > newspaper, and following sites like scholarshipzone.com can sometimes > help. > > Good luck, > > On 7/19/16, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: >> Also definitely apply for NFB scholarships. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket >> Bidleman via NABS-L >> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 12:20 PM >> To: Bryan Duarte >> Cc: Cricket Bidleman ; National Association of >> Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College and Scholarship Apps >> >> Justin and Brian, >> >> I'll definitely be applying for the NFB of California and NFB national >> scholarships. I can only hope to be lucky enough to get some of them. >> Hopefully the FAFSA deadline will come out soon so that I can work on >> that too. I have to get into college first, before I can get a >> scholarship from any particular school. Stanford is my dream school, >> of course. Berkeley is a good one too. Still looking for others. >> >> On 7/19/16, Bryan Duarte wrote: >>> >>> Hello Cricket, >>> >>> I must say I see you being so active on this list everyday and I love it! >>> I >>> am also glad to hear that you are about to be attending school and >>> applying >>> for scholarships, as this is a very important aspect of your educational >>> career. >>> >>> The first thing I would encourage you to do is visit your college or >>> universities scholarship portal. Each college should have a portal you >>> can >>> access for scholarships. That is your best bet for receive scholarships >>> since they would only be awarded to students from your respective college >>> or >>> university. The second thing I would encourage you to do is apply for the >>> NFB national scholarship and your local state scholarship program if >>> there >>> is one where you live. As a national >>> >>> I look forward to hearing more about what you are doing and keep up your >>> activity on this list it is great to have such a friendly, inquisitive, >>> and >>> outgoing student participating on this list. Have a great day! >>> >>> Go Devils! >>> >>> Bryan Duarte software engineer >>> ASU Computer Science Ph.D candidate >>> QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/ >>> >>> “let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are >>> passing >>> away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God >>> lacks >>> nothing; God alone suffices.” >>> -- St. Teresa of Avila >>> >>>> On Jul 19, 2016, at 7:54 AM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Cricket >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti Shelton > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From jameyanne at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 18:33:11 2016 From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 14:33:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] College and Scholarship Apps In-Reply-To: References: <8E9EBAC6-0A99-4545-8497-1A3A6C23FCDA@asu.edu> <003101d1e1e2$08f138e0$1ad3aaa0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <009e01d1e1ec$011f6060$035e2120$@gmail.com> Yes, as I recall you can save your work on the national NFB scholarship essay and come back to it. The most extensive part of it was my essay, because I had to rework my law school application essay to fit within the word count limit, but the rest was just basic information. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 2:29 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Cricket Bidleman Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College and Scholarship Apps Kaiti and Justin, Thanks so much for the advice. A lot of it is stuff I wouldn't really have thought about, but now I can definitely understand. I haven't even been on this thing for a week and already I'm gaining such valuable mentorship and insight. Not everyone could be so lucky. Best, Cricket Bidleman On 7/19/16, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L wrote: > Hi Cricket and all, > > Jameyanne is right, you typically do the Fafsa in the Spring of your > senior year of high school for the following school year. This goes > for subsequent school years as well. Different schools release the > information based on the fafsa at different times, but it's usually at > least a month or so after. My university does it in June or July, and > I remember the summer before my freshman year was when I had to make > loan decisions. Also, a good tip my parents found out later is that > if you have a sibling already in college and they need to complete > multiple fafsas, there is an IRS tool that allows them to put in the > pin information they used on one completed fafsa to copy over all the > tax information. You also can use estimates of tax information if > your school has an early deadline for fafsa submissions, but your > parents will need to correct any false figures they entered once their > taxes are finalized so the school has correct information. I hope > that gives you a useful timeline of what to expect. > > About scholarships... do apply for the NFB scholarships that are > offered. As someone who has received scholarships from Ohio and from > the national organization, I can say that the affiliates and the NFB > both really go above and beyond to provide these scholarships for us. > The mentoring in the national scholarship program is amazing as well, > and for many students the scholarships also help them get more > connected with the NFB. On the other hand, don't fall into the trap > some students do where they only apply for scholarships from blindness > and disability organizations. There are plenty of scholarships out > there for students entering certain fields of study, from specific > ethnic backgrounds, and from companies and retailers on a local or > national scale. Especially if you have the type of grades that can > get you into Stanford, you'd probably have a good edge in a lot of > those. Sometimes mentioning blindness in those scholarship > applications can actually be an asset because it shows that you have > just as good of a track record as a sighted applicant, but had to make > accommodations or overcome what society sees as a form of adversity to > do the same work. Treat that like a job interview, though; sometimes > it is better to just apply and not mention blindness at all, whereas > other cases might call for it. E.G, I apply for most academic > scholarships without mentioning it, but when a question specifically > asks why I was drawn to my field of study I am honest in describing ow > my own disability led me to receive the services I want to provide for > others. Sometimes smaller scholarships are announced in the local > newspaper, and following sites like scholarshipzone.com can sometimes > help. > > Good luck, > > On 7/19/16, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: >> Also definitely apply for NFB scholarships. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket >> Bidleman via NABS-L >> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 12:20 PM >> To: Bryan Duarte >> Cc: Cricket Bidleman ; National Association of >> Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College and Scholarship Apps >> >> Justin and Brian, >> >> I'll definitely be applying for the NFB of California and NFB national >> scholarships. I can only hope to be lucky enough to get some of them. >> Hopefully the FAFSA deadline will come out soon so that I can work on >> that too. I have to get into college first, before I can get a >> scholarship from any particular school. Stanford is my dream school, >> of course. Berkeley is a good one too. Still looking for others. >> >> On 7/19/16, Bryan Duarte wrote: >>> >>> Hello Cricket, >>> >>> I must say I see you being so active on this list everyday and I love it! >>> I >>> am also glad to hear that you are about to be attending school and >>> applying >>> for scholarships, as this is a very important aspect of your educational >>> career. >>> >>> The first thing I would encourage you to do is visit your college or >>> universities scholarship portal. Each college should have a portal you >>> can >>> access for scholarships. That is your best bet for receive scholarships >>> since they would only be awarded to students from your respective college >>> or >>> university. The second thing I would encourage you to do is apply for the >>> NFB national scholarship and your local state scholarship program if >>> there >>> is one where you live. As a national >>> >>> I look forward to hearing more about what you are doing and keep up your >>> activity on this list it is great to have such a friendly, inquisitive, >>> and >>> outgoing student participating on this list. Have a great day! >>> >>> Go Devils! >>> >>> Bryan Duarte software engineer >>> ASU Computer Science Ph.D candidate >>> QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/ >>> >>> “let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are >>> passing >>> away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God >>> lacks >>> nothing; God alone suffices.” >>> -- St. Teresa of Avila >>> >>>> On Jul 19, 2016, at 7:54 AM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Cricket >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti Shelton > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 18:38:24 2016 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 14:38:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges In-Reply-To: <01b101d1e163$37143c60$a53cb520$@gmail.com> References: <578d3435.075a810a.9a9d3.5d02@mx.google.com> <014301d1e133$9b3fb3c0$d1bf1b40$@gmail.com> <9F2545FFA2954BDA8B7723E942D15C8A@OwnerPC> <9325BC7B-DA12-41B5-B01D-8042DB222E21@gmail.com> <01b101d1e163$37143c60$a53cb520$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, Christina, Like many before me, my answer is yes and no depending on what specific part of this you're talking about. I use a high reading speed on my devices and love the search functions. Usually I understand enough of how a textbook is laid out that I can find something using headings or page numbers if not key words in the search function. I have found that it is sometimes hard for me to read for extended periods of time with Jaws, but my answer to that solution is to use VoiceDream. It is a low-cost app on the IOS store that uses pretty realistic voices to read books, and it is connected with Bookshare and other cloud services. You can also import your own files to the reader, and I plan to try using it for textbooks. I've found having a more human-like voice works better for me, and allows me to stay concentrated on the material for longer. If you don't have an I-device there are other technologies that have similar functions, like a Victor Stream or BookSense that your state voc rehab agency might be able to help you get for educational purposes. Learning Ally is also a good resource, and the library of congress also has some audio books if that is an option for you. Research is a challenge for me as well. My university's library web site is completely inaccessible, so I have to rely on resources I can find online, in books I find on Bookshare, or someone from the information desk at the library to help me go through the databases. If the latter option happens, I then need to have them share the citation or article link from the web site to me in an email so I can go about getting the materials in an accessible format. Sometimes this is as easy as downloading a PDF and converting it with robo braille, while other times I need to have disability services take over and convert it with their software. Occasionally, I'll need to request something through inter-library loan and wait to do anything for accessibility until the material becomes available to me. This is why I start any research project within the week it is first assigned if not the same day. completing assignments might take me a little extra time, but I don't think it is that much. It depends on the type of assignment and how visual it is. Essays, aside from any research I need to do to get information for them, don't take me any longer to write, but forms in tables might take me a little longer. Math took me significantly longer, but that was because statistics used a lot of graphs and tables. However, even though it was significantly more time-consuming, I didn't have any trouble completing it within the extended testing time I received. Do you receive extended time as an accommodation? If not, you probably should. Most of the time I don't need to take advantage of this accommodation, but the piece of mind that it is there if I do need it is helpful. I guess what I'm wondering is this; in terms of completing assignments on time, are you having trouble doing so even with extended time or do you not have this accommodation? For online tests, I don't have trouble taking these. Not that I've had to do them often, but the ones I have taken have been accessible. If you can't complete them within the set time on the timer the professor should be able to make reasonable accommodations for you, but depending on your computer skills this might not be necessary. E.G, if you can use heading commands and a search function to find the start of the test, you should be able to begin testing right away after the page loads. Using navigation commands to locate check boxes, form fields, radio buttons, and buttons will also help to speed up the testing process. I have only had one professor have mini-tests set to a time that came close to being tricky to complete, but since the test was on reading comprehension and you either knew the answers or you didn't, and that was why the timer was in place I didn't ask him to extend the timer. It is important to consider whether the problem with the tests is accessibility-related or not, but your DS office can help sort that out if necessary so the accommodations are fair. HOpe this helps, On 7/18/16, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: > Amy, > I haven't started law school, butt I volunteered for the NH disabilities > rights center this past year, and they showed me how to use Westlaw and how > to do footnote citations. I found footnotes worked pretty well with JAWS in > MS Word, and I didn't have any trouble using the Westlaw website on my > laptop. Then again, I wasn't doing very complicated stuff, so I might not > have the full picture. > Jameyanne > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee Harwood > via NABS-L > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 9:49 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Aimee Harwood > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges > > Hello Ashly. I will agree with you on the extra time and fewer credits. I > wish those who take full credits and or double major would write a book on > their process. I would love to be able to do that. > > As far as research goes, I am in law school and I use the iPad version of > lexis nexus and WestLaw which are pretty accessible. Blue book citations > can be fun. I have not been required to use footnotes as of yet. Footnotes > will happen in the spring. Aimee > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 18, 2016, at 5:50 PM, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Jameyanne, >> >> I agree. You said it nicely to summarize the challenges of research. I >> also found all that to be the case. I know some NFbers are against >> extended time, but I find it necessary to do well. I use extended time >> on exams. For assignments, I sometimes get extentions particulary for >> research. >> >> For research, databases are a mixed bag. Yes, jstor is fairly usable but >> the pdfs are usually scanned images. >> I have had the same difficulty citing sources because I don't always know >> the page numbers since that does not scan well or if I use a reader, the >> reader forgets to announce pages. >> I also take extra time in the library finding print material such as >> books. >> >> Time management is a good thing to master. For me, I did my homework and >> reading late afternoon and evening. II t also depended on my reader's >> schedule. Typically, my readers were available at 3:30 or later. Often, >> I'd use a reader right before dinner or right after dinner at 7:30. >> Like some of you, I also threw my energy into academics and neglected >> sleep. >> >> Great discussion. I always took less credits than most students and took >> longer in college. I thought I was the only one though as many blind >> students here take 18 credits and double major. >> >> So, yes its challenging but you have to find what works for you. >> >> Ashley >> -----Original Message----- From: Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L >> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 4:33 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Cc: Jameyanne Fuller >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges >> >> My answer is also yes and no. I find I can search within a textbook or >> article faster because I can use a search function to find exactly what >> I'm >> looking for. On the other hand, I've also found that I take in and >> remember >> information better if I read it in Braille than if I listen to it using >> JAWS or the speech on my BrailleNote. It's faster to listen, but I >> inevitably lose focus or fall asleep. Like Cricket, sleep is always like >> my >> last priority, which is a bad idea. On the other hand, I don't read >> Braille >> quite as fast as my sighted peers read print, so sometimes listening >> becomes the only option if I want to keep up. One solution I've come up >> with is to have something to do with my hands while I'm listening to an >> article or textbook. I make gimp lanyards, fiddle with a puzzle, draw with >> my tactile drawing board, knit, wander around cleaning up my room and >> folding laundry and such. It's not a perfect solution, but it helps. >> In terms of research, I think that definitely takes me more time, >> especially since I need assistance finding books in the library and then >> have to wait for the disabilities services office to scan them. Databases >> can be a mixed bag. I've found JSTOR to be pretty accessible. >> One problem I've had a lot is the lack of page numbers in scanned >> documents >> or even page numbers in strange places so I could never tell what was on >> which page and it was never consistent across the scanned documents from >> disabilities services. I usually figured it out for each book and made >> sure >> to make my professors aware of the problem so they wouldn't take points >> off >> if my intext citations cited the wrong page or so they would give me a >> phrase to find in the book rather than a page number when discussing >> things >> in class. >> Take all of this with a grain of salt, because I was last in school two >> years ago, and things might be different for me when I start up again this >> fall. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin >> Adam via NABS-L >> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 3:55 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Karl Martin Adam >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges >> >> Well, the answer to this is yes and no. I find that I read significantly >> faster than cited people because my text to speech set to the top speed is >> faster than they can read, and it's significantly easier for me to find >> things in the book because I can search while they have to flip through >> their paper copy. >> Doing research on the other hand is much more time consuming for me >> because >> of the difficulty of using databases and because of the inaccessibility of >> print books in the library that sighted students can use. I also have >> usually needed a sighted person's help getting my papers correctly >> formatted so everything looks right on the page. >> >> HTH, >> Karl >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Christina Moore via NABS-L > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 15:21:59 -0400 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges >> >> Hello Everyone, >> >> I am wondering if it is just me or do other blind people have challenges >> academically that are due to their blindness. >> Does anyone else find it challenging to search for information in a >> textbook? Do you feel it takes longer for you to complete assignments >> because it takes you longer to read information that is given to you >> utilizing text-to-speech software? Does anyone else find it challenging to >> take online tests/exams in the allotted time? >> I know that is quite a few questions but I?셫 wondering if it is just me or >> if other people have these experiences. >> What do you do to manage your assignments, papers and research >> articles/information? >> Thanks for any and all responses. >> Christina >> P.S. If I am set to no mail will I receive the responses to this question >> since I posted it? >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS- >> L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma >> il.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti Shelton From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 18:49:22 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 14:49:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges In-Reply-To: References: <578d3435.075a810a.9a9d3.5d02@mx.google.com> <014301d1e133$9b3fb3c0$d1bf1b40$@gmail.com> <9F2545FFA2954BDA8B7723E942D15C8A@OwnerPC> <9325BC7B-DA12-41B5-B01D-8042DB222E21@gmail.com> <01b101d1e163$37143c60$a53cb520$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <006d01d1e1ee$440d1870$cc274950$@gmail.com> I noticed that blackboard and jaws, while mostly accessible, was a little unpredicbatle. I think some of that was related to my pc; I experienced freezing during tests on blackboard, so I did use extra time. One think I did was for tests which were open book, is just put the chapters in the same file, so for example, chapter 5 through 8 in the same file so that was all I was searching through instead of having the entire book. Sometimes, jaws and word may be a little sluggish with an entire textbook on the screen. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 2:38 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Kaiti Shelton Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges Hi, Christina, Like many before me, my answer is yes and no depending on what specific part of this you're talking about. I use a high reading speed on my devices and love the search functions. Usually I understand enough of how a textbook is laid out that I can find something using headings or page numbers if not key words in the search function. I have found that it is sometimes hard for me to read for extended periods of time with Jaws, but my answer to that solution is to use VoiceDream. It is a low-cost app on the IOS store that uses pretty realistic voices to read books, and it is connected with Bookshare and other cloud services. You can also import your own files to the reader, and I plan to try using it for textbooks. I've found having a more human-like voice works better for me, and allows me to stay concentrated on the material for longer. If you don't have an I-device there are other technologies that have similar functions, like a Victor Stream or BookSense that your state voc rehab agency might be able to help you get for educational purposes. Learning Ally is also a good resource, and the library of congress also has some audio books if that is an option for you. Research is a challenge for me as well. My university's library web site is completely inaccessible, so I have to rely on resources I can find online, in books I find on Bookshare, or someone from the information desk at the library to help me go through the databases. If the latter option happens, I then need to have them share the citation or article link from the web site to me in an email so I can go about getting the materials in an accessible format. Sometimes this is as easy as downloading a PDF and converting it with robo braille, while other times I need to have disability services take over and convert it with their software. Occasionally, I'll need to request something through inter-library loan and wait to do anything for accessibility until the material becomes available to me. This is why I start any research project within the week it is first assigned if not the same day. completing assignments might take me a little extra time, but I don't think it is that much. It depends on the type of assignment and how visual it is. Essays, aside from any research I need to do to get information for them, don't take me any longer to write, but forms in tables might take me a little longer. Math took me significantly longer, but that was because statistics used a lot of graphs and tables. However, even though it was significantly more time-consuming, I didn't have any trouble completing it within the extended testing time I received. Do you receive extended time as an accommodation? If not, you probably should. Most of the time I don't need to take advantage of this accommodation, but the piece of mind that it is there if I do need it is helpful. I guess what I'm wondering is this; in terms of completing assignments on time, are you having trouble doing so even with extended time or do you not have this accommodation? For online tests, I don't have trouble taking these. Not that I've had to do them often, but the ones I have taken have been accessible. If you can't complete them within the set time on the timer the professor should be able to make reasonable accommodations for you, but depending on your computer skills this might not be necessary. E.G, if you can use heading commands and a search function to find the start of the test, you should be able to begin testing right away after the page loads. Using navigation commands to locate check boxes, form fields, radio buttons, and buttons will also help to speed up the testing process. I have only had one professor have mini-tests set to a time that came close to being tricky to complete, but since the test was on reading comprehension and you either knew the answers or you didn't, and that was why the timer was in place I didn't ask him to extend the timer. It is important to consider whether the problem with the tests is accessibility-related or not, but your DS office can help sort that out if necessary so the accommodations are fair. HOpe this helps, On 7/18/16, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: > Amy, > I haven't started law school, butt I volunteered for the NH > disabilities rights center this past year, and they showed me how to > use Westlaw and how to do footnote citations. I found footnotes worked > pretty well with JAWS in MS Word, and I didn't have any trouble using > the Westlaw website on my laptop. Then again, I wasn't doing very > complicated stuff, so I might not have the full picture. > Jameyanne > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee > Harwood via NABS-L > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 9:49 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: Aimee Harwood > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges > > Hello Ashly. I will agree with you on the extra time and fewer > credits. I wish those who take full credits and or double major would > write a book on their process. I would love to be able to do that. > > As far as research goes, I am in law school and I use the iPad version > of lexis nexus and WestLaw which are pretty accessible. Blue book > citations can be fun. I have not been required to use footnotes as of > yet. Footnotes will happen in the spring. Aimee > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 18, 2016, at 5:50 PM, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Jameyanne, >> >> I agree. You said it nicely to summarize the challenges of research. >> I also found all that to be the case. I know some NFbers are against >> extended time, but I find it necessary to do well. I use extended time >> on exams. For assignments, I sometimes get extentions particulary for >> research. >> >> For research, databases are a mixed bag. Yes, jstor is fairly usable >> but the pdfs are usually scanned images. >> I have had the same difficulty citing sources because I don't always >> know the page numbers since that does not scan well or if I use a >> reader, the reader forgets to announce pages. >> I also take extra time in the library finding print material such as >> books. >> >> Time management is a good thing to master. For me, I did my homework >> and reading late afternoon and evening. II t also depended on my >> reader's schedule. Typically, my readers were available at 3:30 or >> later. Often, I'd use a reader right before dinner or right after dinner at 7:30. >> Like some of you, I also threw my energy into academics and neglected >> sleep. >> >> Great discussion. I always took less credits than most students and >> took longer in college. I thought I was the only one though as many >> blind students here take 18 credits and double major. >> >> So, yes its challenging but you have to find what works for you. >> >> Ashley >> -----Original Message----- From: Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L >> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 4:33 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Cc: Jameyanne Fuller >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges >> >> My answer is also yes and no. I find I can search within a textbook >> or article faster because I can use a search function to find exactly >> what I'm looking for. On the other hand, I've also found that I take >> in and remember information better if I read it in Braille than if I >> listen to it using JAWS or the speech on my BrailleNote. It's faster >> to listen, but I inevitably lose focus or fall asleep. Like Cricket, >> sleep is always like my last priority, which is a bad idea. On the >> other hand, I don't read Braille quite as fast as my sighted peers >> read print, so sometimes listening becomes the only option if I want >> to keep up. One solution I've come up with is to have something to do >> with my hands while I'm listening to an article or textbook. I make >> gimp lanyards, fiddle with a puzzle, draw with my tactile drawing >> board, knit, wander around cleaning up my room and folding laundry >> and such. It's not a perfect solution, but it helps. >> In terms of research, I think that definitely takes me more time, >> especially since I need assistance finding books in the library and >> then have to wait for the disabilities services office to scan them. >> Databases can be a mixed bag. I've found JSTOR to be pretty accessible. >> One problem I've had a lot is the lack of page numbers in scanned >> documents or even page numbers in strange places so I could never >> tell what was on which page and it was never consistent across the >> scanned documents from disabilities services. I usually figured it >> out for each book and made sure to make my professors aware of the >> problem so they wouldn't take points off if my intext citations cited >> the wrong page or so they would give me a phrase to find in the book >> rather than a page number when discussing things in class. >> Take all of this with a grain of salt, because I was last in school >> two years ago, and things might be different for me when I start up >> again this fall. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl >> Martin Adam via NABS-L >> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 3:55 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Karl Martin Adam >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges >> >> Well, the answer to this is yes and no. I find that I read >> significantly faster than cited people because my text to speech set >> to the top speed is faster than they can read, and it's significantly >> easier for me to find things in the book because I can search while >> they have to flip through their paper copy. >> Doing research on the other hand is much more time consuming for me >> because of the difficulty of using databases and because of the >> inaccessibility of print books in the library that sighted students >> can use. I also have usually needed a sighted person's help getting >> my papers correctly formatted so everything looks right on the page. >> >> HTH, >> Karl >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Christina Moore via NABS-L > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Subject: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges >> >> Hello Everyone, >> >> I am wondering if it is just me or do other blind people have >> challenges academically that are due to their blindness. >> Does anyone else find it challenging to search for information in a >> textbook? Do you feel it takes longer for you to complete assignments >> because it takes you longer to read information that is given to you >> utilizing text-to-speech software? Does anyone else find it >> challenging to take online tests/exams in the allotted time? >> I know that is quite a few questions but I?셫 wondering if it is just >> me or if other people have these experiences. >> What do you do to manage your assignments, papers and research >> articles/information? >> Thanks for any and all responses. >> Christina >> P.S. If I am set to no mail will I receive the responses to this >> question since I posted it? >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS- >> L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma >> il.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40ear >> thlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail >> .com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail. > com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% > 40gmail.com > -- Kaiti Shelton _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com From awildheir at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 20:03:03 2016 From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 16:03:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges In-Reply-To: <01b101d1e163$37143c60$a53cb520$@gmail.com> References: <578d3435.075a810a.9a9d3.5d02@mx.google.com> <014301d1e133$9b3fb3c0$d1bf1b40$@gmail.com> <9F2545FFA2954BDA8B7723E942D15C8A@OwnerPC> <9325BC7B-DA12-41B5-B01D-8042DB222E21@gmail.com> <01b101d1e163$37143c60$a53cb520$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <80CC3822-E957-4DF5-9B0A-4071E1009E74@gmail.com> Jameyanne, I think one of my biggest issues time consumer or whatever you want to call it is that I have not been using jaws for the past six years. I've also been out of the educational environment for 13 years. When I did use JAWS, I knew the basics but not a lot of the advanced commands. I also have not been a lifelong braille reader. I don't really know a lot of the symbols for things other than words and some punctuation. I don't know a lot of the markup language for links lists or whatever identifiers they use to indicate things within a grade 2 braille document. I am one of those visually impaired visual learners. That is why braille helps me understand it and remember it better. I wish I knew some practice techniques to build speed and accuracy. Aimee Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 18, 2016, at 10:14 PM, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: > > Amy, > I haven't started law school, butt I volunteered for the NH disabilities rights center this past year, and they showed me how to use Westlaw and how to do footnote citations. I found footnotes worked pretty well with JAWS in MS Word, and I didn't have any trouble using the Westlaw website on my laptop. Then again, I wasn't doing very complicated stuff, so I might not have the full picture. > Jameyanne > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee Harwood via NABS-L > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 9:49 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Aimee Harwood > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges > > Hello Ashly. I will agree with you on the extra time and fewer credits. I wish those who take full credits and or double major would write a book on their process. I would love to be able to do that. > > As far as research goes, I am in law school and I use the iPad version of lexis nexus and WestLaw which are pretty accessible. Blue book citations can be fun. I have not been required to use footnotes as of yet. Footnotes will happen in the spring. Aimee > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 18, 2016, at 5:50 PM, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Jameyanne, >> >> I agree. You said it nicely to summarize the challenges of research. I also found all that to be the case. I know some NFbers are against extended time, but I find it necessary to do well. I use extended time on exams. For assignments, I sometimes get extentions particulary for research. >> >> For research, databases are a mixed bag. Yes, jstor is fairly usable but the pdfs are usually scanned images. >> I have had the same difficulty citing sources because I don't always know the page numbers since that does not scan well or if I use a reader, the reader forgets to announce pages. >> I also take extra time in the library finding print material such as books. >> >> Time management is a good thing to master. For me, I did my homework and reading late afternoon and evening. II t also depended on my reader's schedule. Typically, my readers were available at 3:30 or later. Often, I'd use a reader right before dinner or right after dinner at 7:30. >> Like some of you, I also threw my energy into academics and neglected sleep. >> >> Great discussion. I always took less credits than most students and took longer in college. I thought I was the only one though as many blind students here take 18 credits and double major. >> >> So, yes its challenging but you have to find what works for you. >> >> Ashley >> -----Original Message----- From: Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L >> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 4:33 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Cc: Jameyanne Fuller >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges >> >> My answer is also yes and no. I find I can search within a textbook or >> article faster because I can use a search function to find exactly what I'm >> looking for. On the other hand, I've also found that I take in and remember >> information better if I read it in Braille than if I listen to it using >> JAWS or the speech on my BrailleNote. It's faster to listen, but I >> inevitably lose focus or fall asleep. Like Cricket, sleep is always like my >> last priority, which is a bad idea. On the other hand, I don't read Braille >> quite as fast as my sighted peers read print, so sometimes listening >> becomes the only option if I want to keep up. One solution I've come up >> with is to have something to do with my hands while I'm listening to an >> article or textbook. I make gimp lanyards, fiddle with a puzzle, draw with >> my tactile drawing board, knit, wander around cleaning up my room and >> folding laundry and such. It's not a perfect solution, but it helps. >> In terms of research, I think that definitely takes me more time, >> especially since I need assistance finding books in the library and then >> have to wait for the disabilities services office to scan them. Databases >> can be a mixed bag. I've found JSTOR to be pretty accessible. >> One problem I've had a lot is the lack of page numbers in scanned documents >> or even page numbers in strange places so I could never tell what was on >> which page and it was never consistent across the scanned documents from >> disabilities services. I usually figured it out for each book and made sure >> to make my professors aware of the problem so they wouldn't take points off >> if my intext citations cited the wrong page or so they would give me a >> phrase to find in the book rather than a page number when discussing things >> in class. >> Take all of this with a grain of salt, because I was last in school two >> years ago, and things might be different for me when I start up again this >> fall. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin >> Adam via NABS-L >> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 3:55 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: Karl Martin Adam >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges >> >> Well, the answer to this is yes and no. I find that I read significantly >> faster than cited people because my text to speech set to the top speed is >> faster than they can read, and it's significantly easier for me to find >> things in the book because I can search while they have to flip through >> their paper copy. >> Doing research on the other hand is much more time consuming for me because >> of the difficulty of using databases and because of the inaccessibility of >> print books in the library that sighted students can use. I also have >> usually needed a sighted person's help getting my papers correctly >> formatted so everything looks right on the page. >> >> HTH, >> Karl >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Christina Moore via NABS-L > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 15:21:59 -0400 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges >> >> Hello Everyone, >> >> I am wondering if it is just me or do other blind people have challenges >> academically that are due to their blindness. >> Does anyone else find it challenging to search for information in a >> textbook? Do you feel it takes longer for you to complete assignments >> because it takes you longer to read information that is given to you >> utilizing text-to-speech software? Does anyone else find it challenging to >> take online tests/exams in the allotted time? >> I know that is quite a few questions but I?셫 wondering if it is just me or >> if other people have these experiences. >> What do you do to manage your assignments, papers and research >> articles/information? >> Thanks for any and all responses. >> Christina >> P.S. If I am set to no mail will I receive the responses to this question >> since I posted it? >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS- >> L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma >> il.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 21:13:31 2016 From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 17:13:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Math courses Message-ID: <00fe01d1e202$684c7c30$38e57490$@gmail.com> Dear NABS List members, I read every post but don't post much due to classes. I have learned a lot from this group and will continue to stay subscribed after I graduate college this year in the spring of 2017. My question to you guys is what have you done for math and science classes to make them accessible? All math classes at my college use the my math lab online system which is not accessible with any screen reader that I have tried including NVDA, JAWS, Window Eyes and even System Access. I have thought about taking computer courses in beginning coding and IT to make up for these courses. Thoughts and comments would be greatly appreciated. Also, I have a custom built computer that I use for everything. I am also wondering to cut down on carrying back and forth from home to college, would a laptop be a good idea? I have an android phone and also an iPad. Just trying to figure everything out. Thanks for any advice anybody can give. Thanks, Aaron Linson CEO Blind Faith Project CEO Linson Productions Aaron Linson From kmaent1 at gmail.com Tue Jul 19 23:08:27 2016 From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 19:08:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Is It just Me: Academic Challenges Message-ID: <578eb30f.0525810a.f8f3b.ae6f@mx.google.com> Hi=20Aimee, I=20know=20this=20won't=20solve=20a=20lot=20of=20the=20problems=20you're=20= having,=20but=20 if=20you=20have=20trouble=20with=20grade=20two=20Braille,=20you=20could=20j= ust=20get=20 your=20Braille=20documents=20uncontracted.=20=20I=20download=20all=20my=20b= ookshare=20 books=20in=20uncontracted=20Braille=20because=20it=20makes=20converting=20t= o=20 print=20easier=20and=20because=20bookshare=20doesn't=20always=20follow=20th= e=20 rules=20of=20Braille=20and=20does=20things=20like=20use=20a=20short=20form= =20word=20as=20 part=20of=20a=20longer=20word,=20which=20makes=20text=20to=20speech=20not=20= be=20able=20to=20 read=20the=20file=20correctly. Best, Karl =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Aimee=20Harwood=20via=20NABS-L=20=20wrote: =20Amy, =20I=20haven't=20started=20law=20school,=20butt=20I=20volunteered=20for=20t= he=20NH=20 disabilities=20rights=20center=20this=20past=20year,=20and=20they=20showed= =20me=20how=20 to=20use=20Westlaw=20and=20how=20to=20do=20footnote=20citations.=20I=20foun= d=20 footnotes=20worked=20pretty=20well=20with=20JAWS=20in=20MS=20Word,=20and=20= I=20didn't=20 have=20any=20trouble=20using=20the=20Westlaw=20website=20on=20my=20laptop.= =20Then=20 again,=20I=20wasn't=20doing=20very=20complicated=20stuff,=20so=20I=20might= =20not=20have=20 the=20full=20picture. =20Jameyanne =20-----Original=20Message----- =20From:=20NABS-L=20[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]=20On=20Behalf=20Of=20= Aimee=20Harwood=20via=20NABS-L =20Sent:=20Monday,=20July=2018,=202016=209:49=20PM =20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20= =20wrote: =20Jameyanne, =20I=20agree.=20You=20said=20it=20nicely=20to=20summarize=20the=20challenge= s=20of=20 research.=20I=20also=20found=20all=20that=20to=20be=20the=20case.=20I=20kno= w=20some=20 NFbers=20are=20against=20extended=20time,=20but=20=20=20I=20find=20it=20nec= essary=20to=20do=20 well.=20I=20use=20extended=20time=20on=20exams.=20For=20assignments,=20I=20= sometimes=20 get=20extentions=20particulary=20for=20research. =20For=20research,=20databases=20are=20a=20mixed=20bag.=20Yes,=20jstor=20is= =20fairly=20 usable=20but=20the=20pdfs=20are=20usually=20scanned=20images. =20I=20have=20had=20the=20same=20difficulty=20citing=20sources=20because=20= I=20don't=20 always=20know=20the=20page=20numbers=20since=20that=20does=20not=20scan=20w= ell=20or=20if=20 I=20use=20a=20reader,=20the=20reader=20forgets=20to=20announce=20pages. =20I=20also=20take=20extra=20time=20in=20the=20library=20finding=20print=20= material=20 such=20as=20books. =20Time=20management=20is=20a=20good=20thing=20to=20master.=20For=20me,=20I= =20did=20my=20 homework=20and=20reading=20late=20afternoon=20and=20evening.=20II=20t=20als= o=20 depended=20on=20my=20reader's=20schedule.=20Typically,=20my=20readers=20wer= e=20 available=20at=203:30=20or=20later.=20Often,=20I'd=20use=20a=20reader=20rig= ht=20before=20 dinner=20or=20right=20after=20dinner=20at=207:30. =20Like=20some=20of=20you,=20I=20also=20threw=20my=20energy=20into=20academ= ics=20and=20 neglected=20sleep. =20Great=20discussion.=20I=20always=20took=20less=20credits=20than=20most=20= students=20 and=20took=20longer=20in=20college.=20I=20thought=20I=20was=20the=20only=20= one=20though=20 as=20many=20blind=20students=20here=20take=2018=20credits=20and=20double=20= major. =20So,=20yes=20its=20challenging=20but=20you=20have=20to=20find=20what=20wo= rks=20for=20you. =20Ashley =20-----Original=20Message-----=20From:=20Jameyanne=20Fuller=20via=20NABS-L= =20Sent:=20Monday,=20July=2018,=202016=204:33=20PM =20To:=20'National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list' =20Cc:=20Jameyanne=20Fuller =20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20Is=20It=20just=20Me:=20Academic=20Challenges= =20My=20answer=20is=20also=20yes=20and=20no.=20I=20find=20I=20can=20search= =20within=20a=20 textbook=20or =20article=20faster=20because=20I=20can=20use=20a=20search=20function=20to= =20find=20 exactly=20what=20I'm =20looking=20for.=20On=20the=20other=20hand,=20I've=20also=20found=20that=20= I=20take=20in=20 and=20remember =20information=20better=20if=20I=20read=20it=20in=20Braille=20than=20if=20I= =20listen=20to=20 it=20using =20JAWS=20or=20the=20speech=20on=20my=20BrailleNote.=20It's=20faster=20to=20= listen,=20but=20 I =20inevitably=20lose=20focus=20or=20fall=20asleep.=20Like=20Cricket,=20slee= p=20is=20 always=20like=20my =20last=20priority,=20which=20is=20a=20bad=20idea.=20On=20the=20other=20han= d,=20I=20don't=20 read=20Braille =20quite=20as=20fast=20as=20my=20sighted=20peers=20read=20print,=20so=20som= etimes=20 listening =20becomes=20the=20only=20option=20if=20I=20want=20to=20keep=20up.=20One=20= solution=20I've=20 come=20up =20with=20is=20to=20have=20something=20to=20do=20with=20my=20hands=20while= =20I'm=20 listening=20to=20an =20article=20or=20textbook.=20I=20make=20gimp=20lanyards,=20fiddle=20with=20= a=20puzzle,=20 draw=20with =20my=20tactile=20drawing=20board,=20knit,=20wander=20around=20cleaning=20u= p=20my=20 room=20and =20folding=20laundry=20and=20such.=20It's=20not=20a=20perfect=20solution,=20= but=20it=20 helps. =20In=20terms=20of=20research,=20I=20think=20that=20definitely=20takes=20me= =20more=20 time, =20especially=20since=20I=20need=20assistance=20finding=20books=20in=20the= =20library=20 and=20then =20have=20to=20wait=20for=20the=20disabilities=20services=20office=20to=20s= can=20them.=20 Databases =20can=20be=20a=20mixed=20bag.=20I've=20found=20JSTOR=20to=20be=20pretty=20= accessible. =20One=20problem=20I've=20had=20a=20lot=20is=20the=20lack=20of=20page=20num= bers=20in=20 scanned=20documents =20or=20even=20page=20numbers=20in=20strange=20places=20so=20I=20could=20ne= ver=20tell=20 what=20was=20on =20which=20page=20and=20it=20was=20never=20consistent=20across=20the=20scan= ned=20 documents=20from =20disabilities=20services.=20I=20usually=20figured=20it=20out=20for=20each= =20book=20 and=20made=20sure =20to=20make=20my=20professors=20aware=20of=20the=20problem=20so=20they=20w= ouldn't=20take=20 points=20off =20if=20my=20intext=20citations=20cited=20the=20wrong=20page=20or=20so=20th= ey=20would=20 give=20me=20a =20phrase=20to=20find=20in=20the=20book=20rather=20than=20a=20page=20number= =20when=20 discussing=20things =20in=20class. =20Take=20all=20of=20this=20with=20a=20grain=20of=20salt,=20because=20I=20w= as=20last=20in=20 school=20two =20years=20ago,=20and=20things=20might=20be=20different=20for=20me=20when=20= I=20start=20up=20 again=20this =20fall. =20-----Original=20Message----- =20From:=20NABS-L=20[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]=20On=20Behalf=20Of=20= Karl=20Martin =20Adam=20via=20NABS-L =20Sent:=20Monday,=20July=2018,=202016=203:55=20PM =20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20= Message-ID: Thought you all would like to see this from an employee of the Department of Education. Let me know if you have any questions! Kathryn Webster President, National Association of Blind Students (203) 273-8463 Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: "Rives, Dave" Date: > July 19, 2016 at 3:42:16 PM EDT > To: "nabs.president at gmail.com" > Subject: Applying for Federal Student Aid for the Upcoming 2017-18 Award Period > > At this time, I wanted to remind students of an important change for the 2017-18 year. Students can complete and submit the Free Application for Federal Student Aid (FAFSA beginning on October 1, 2016, instead of January 1, 2017. This will be a permanent change. Students will use 2015 income information on the 2017-18 FAFSA. So for future years, Student who apply for federal aid for 2018-19 will use 2016 income information and so forth. Please direct students to our main website www.studentaid.gov/announcements for detailed information on this permanent change. Under announcements, this is available under FAFSA Changes. > > Our outreach staff have been working with schools to make sure students were aware of this important change well ahead of time. I was not able to address the students at this recent convention, but wanted to make sure students were aware. Please let me know if I can send out additional announcements as October 1 comes closer. From annajee82 at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 00:42:25 2016 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 18:42:25 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Math courses In-Reply-To: <00fe01d1e202$684c7c30$38e57490$@gmail.com> References: <00fe01d1e202$684c7c30$38e57490$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0E593AD0-6C6A-4015-A31D-A6DEFAA0FC20@gmail.com> Hi Aaron, What course would you like to take? There are many techniques and much of it comes down to the specific class and then personal preference or skill. Let us know what specific questions you have. I will say that if using braille is an option for you, it often tends to be extremely helpful for math and science. But there are other ways too. Thanks, Anna E Givens > On Jul 19, 2016, at 3:13 PM, Aaron via NABS-L wrote: > > Dear NABS List members, > > I read every post but don't post much due to classes. I have learned a lot > from this group and will continue to stay subscribed after I graduate > college this year in the spring of 2017. My question to you guys is what > have you done for math and science classes to make them accessible? All math > classes at my college use the my math lab online system which is not > accessible with any screen reader that I have tried including NVDA, JAWS, > Window Eyes and even System Access. I have thought about taking computer > courses in beginning coding and IT to make up for these courses. Thoughts > and comments would be greatly appreciated. Also, I have a custom built > computer that I use for everything. I am also wondering to cut down on > carrying back and forth from home to college, would a laptop be a good > idea? I have an android phone and also an iPad. Just trying to figure > everything out. Thanks for any advice anybody can give. > > > > Thanks, > > Aaron Linson > > CEO Blind Faith Project > > CEO Linson Productions > > > > Aaron Linson > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 00:46:18 2016 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 20:46:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Time Management Message-ID: Hi all, The recent discussion made me reflect on my college experiences and the process I used for time management. I wanted to share some strategies I used successfully in the hopes that it might help some of you who are feeling overwhelmed by the demands on your free time from studying. Time management is an important skill whether you are blind or sighted, and it matters in the job world as much or more than it does in college. I do believe, though, that everyone can learn to become good time managers by following a few simple procedures. To give some background, I graduated in 2007 with a double major in biology and psychology. I took between 13 and 17 credits per semester, and earned a 3.91 GPA. I'm sharing this not to brag, but just to demonstrate that my time management process was effective, and it is certainly possible for a blind student to take a challenging course load, have a life, and get a full night's sleep every night. Yes that's right, a full night's sleep. So how did I do it? First, I scheduled mandatory breaks. This may sound counter-intuitive; with so much to do, how could taking more breaks possibly be helpful for time management? But, just as you want to charge your phone regularly so it doesn't die on you at the worst time, so too, our brains need to regularly recharge. As was mentioned, when we don't charge our mental batteries regularly, they can die on us at the worst times, in the form of falling asleep, zoning out during a reading assignment, or getting writer's block while working on a paper. To ensure my mental batteries were charged, I made a rule that no matter how busy I was, I would always quit working 8-9 hours before I had to get up the next day. So if I had a 9:00 class, and had to get up at 7:30 to get ready, then by about 10:30 or 11:00 I would shut the book and go to bed. I made sleep first priority. I need a lot of sleep to function, and some of you may do just fine on six hours a night. Figure out how much sleep you need to function well, and then schedule an appointment with your bed each night so that sleep will happen. With a well-rested brain, you will be able to think clearly, retain information, avoid becoming frustrated, and articulate your ideas clearly in papers. This is doubly important the night before an exam, which is why I never understood the all-night cramming trend. Eating regular meals is also important to keep your brain running smoothly. In addition, I took a 24-hour hiatus from schoolwork each weekend. I preferred to do this during the Jewish Sabbath on Saturdays, so I did no work on Friday evenings or Saturdays during the day. During this day off, I would focus on other things like spending time with my family and friends, NFB activities, or just relaxing in front of the TV. Your hiatus day could be Saturday, Sunday, even a weekday when you don't have classes; but by taking one day off each week, you are likely to feel more motivated, and work faster and more efficiently when you return to the grind. It also gave me something to look forward to when I was getting burned out at the end of the week, and made me less tempted to take impromptu breaks. As far as how I managed my actual work time, I created a file called "ToDo" on my Braille Note. In it, I kept track of school assignments that were first priority (due the next day), second priority (due sometime in the next 2-6 days), and last priority (due in more than a week). When I got home from classes each day, I would start by knocking out the first priority stuff, take a quick break and then move on to the second priority stuff. The real trick is to try to get a head start on some of those Priority 2 assignments before they become Priority 1's, so that on any given day, you don't have too much work that's due the next day. I used my syllabi as a guide for scheduling my work. For bigger assignments like term papers, I would break down the assignment into weekly sub-assignments. So if my term paper was due in a month, I might give myself an assignment to do some initial research on my topic this week. Then, next week I would work on taking notes on my sources, then during the third week I would write the first half of the paper, and during the last week, finish the paper. Breaking things down into manageable chunks makes them easier to manage. When doing this, try to build some extra time into your schedule in case you run into any unexpected issues with accessibility or just with things taking longer than you expected. If you work with readers, you can use your scheduled reader appointments as deadlines by which you will have certain sections of the assignment completed. The key with any time management system is to be both rigid and flexible when making rules for yourself. Set a structure that you will follow, but then be willing to adjust it if things come up or if you find that the structure you tried out isn't quite working for you. Calendars, alarms, and other tools can be useful for helping you stick to your system and keeping track of how much time you have available to you. If you find that your work is taking too long, or you are struggling to come up with a good time management process, it's OK to start slow, and take only one or two classes until you feel like you can stay on top of your time. It takes practice to become a good time manager, and there are definitely ways I could still improve myself. If you are in high school, it is not too soon to begin practicing managing your workload. I hope this is helpful. Best, Arielle From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 01:05:17 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 18:05:17 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Time Management In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arielle, That email was very enlightening. I will definitely keep these techniques in mind, especially since they are tried and true. I find that a lot of the time, people talk about things they do to manage time, but nobody really knows if they're successful or not. It's reassuring to have someone who went through college with flying colors talk about the way they managed time. Thanks for the insight! Best, Cricket Bidleman On 7/19/16, Arielle Silverman via NABS-L wrote: > Hi all, > The recent discussion made me reflect on my college experiences and > the process I used for time management. I wanted to share some > strategies I used successfully in the hopes that it might help some of > you who are feeling overwhelmed by the demands on your free time from > studying. Time management is an important skill whether you are blind > or sighted, and it matters in the job world as much or more than it > does in college. I do believe, though, that everyone can learn to > become good time managers by following a few simple procedures. > To give some background, I graduated in 2007 with a double major in > biology and psychology. I took between 13 and 17 credits per semester, > and earned a 3.91 GPA. I'm sharing this not to brag, but just to > demonstrate that my time management process was effective, and it is > certainly possible for a blind student to take a challenging course > load, have a life, and get a full night's sleep every night. Yes > that's right, a full night's sleep. > So how did I do it? First, I scheduled mandatory breaks. This may > sound counter-intuitive; with so much to do, how could taking more > breaks possibly be helpful for time management? But, just as you want > to charge your phone regularly so it doesn't die on you at the worst > time, so too, our brains need to regularly recharge. As was mentioned, > when we don't charge our mental batteries regularly, they can die on > us at the worst times, in the form of falling asleep, zoning out > during a reading assignment, or getting writer's block while working > on a paper. To ensure my mental batteries were charged, I made a rule > that no matter how busy I was, I would always quit working 8-9 hours > before I had to get up the next day. So if I had a 9:00 class, and had > to get up at 7:30 to get ready, then by about 10:30 or 11:00 I would > shut the book and go to bed. I made sleep first priority. I need a lot > of sleep to function, and some of you may do just fine on six hours a > night. Figure out how much sleep you need to function well, and then > schedule an appointment with your bed each night so that sleep will > happen. With a well-rested brain, you will be able to think clearly, > retain information, avoid becoming frustrated, and articulate your > ideas clearly in papers. This is doubly important the night before an > exam, which is why I never understood the all-night cramming trend. > Eating regular meals is also important to keep your brain running > smoothly. > In addition, I took a 24-hour hiatus from schoolwork each weekend. I > preferred to do this during the Jewish Sabbath on Saturdays, so I did > no work on Friday evenings or Saturdays during the day. During this > day off, I would focus on other things like spending time with my > family and friends, NFB activities, or just relaxing in front of the > TV. Your hiatus day could be Saturday, Sunday, even a weekday when you > don't have classes; but by taking one day off each week, you are > likely to feel more motivated, and work faster and more efficiently > when you return to the grind. It also gave me something to look > forward to when I was getting burned out at the end of the week, and > made me less tempted to take impromptu breaks. > > As far as how I managed my actual work time, I created a file called > "ToDo" on my Braille Note. In it, I kept track of school assignments > that were first priority (due the next day), second priority (due > sometime in the next 2-6 days), and last priority (due in more than a > week). When I got home from classes each day, I would start by > knocking out the first priority stuff, take a quick break and then > move on to the second priority stuff. The real trick is to try to get > a head start on some of those Priority 2 assignments before they > become Priority 1's, so that on any given day, you don't have too much > work that's due the next day. > I used my syllabi as a guide for scheduling my work. For bigger > assignments like term papers, I would break down the assignment into > weekly sub-assignments. So if my term paper was due in a month, I > might give myself an assignment to do some initial research on my > topic this week. Then, next week I would work on taking notes on my > sources, then during the third week I would write the first half of > the paper, and during the last week, finish the paper. Breaking things > down into manageable chunks makes them easier to manage. When doing > this, try to build some extra time into your schedule in case you run > into any unexpected issues with accessibility or just with things > taking longer than you expected. If you work with readers, you can use > your scheduled reader appointments as deadlines by which you will have > certain sections of the assignment completed. > The key with any time management system is to be both rigid and > flexible when making rules for yourself. Set a structure that you will > follow, but then be willing to adjust it if things come up or if you > find that the structure you tried out isn't quite working for you. > Calendars, alarms, and other tools can be useful for helping you stick > to your system and keeping track of how much time you have available > to you. If you find that your work is taking too long, or you are > struggling to come up with a good time management process, it's OK to > start slow, and take only one or two classes until you feel like you > can stay on top of your time. It takes practice to become a good time > manager, and there are definitely ways I could still improve myself. > If you are in high school, it is not too soon to begin practicing > managing your workload. > > I hope this is helpful. > Best, Arielle > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 01:35:23 2016 From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 21:35:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Math courses In-Reply-To: <0E593AD0-6C6A-4015-A31D-A6DEFAA0FC20@gmail.com> References: <00fe01d1e202$684c7c30$38e57490$@gmail.com> <0E593AD0-6C6A-4015-A31D-A6DEFAA0FC20@gmail.com> Message-ID: <15605f16b78.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> Thanks for your reply. The MyMathLab website is very inaccessible as I stated before. I cannot even login. I know braille but was not taught any computer braille or Nemeth braille code. From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 01:47:28 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 18:47:28 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Math courses In-Reply-To: <15605f16b78.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> References: <00fe01d1e202$684c7c30$38e57490$@gmail.com> <0E593AD0-6C6A-4015-A31D-A6DEFAA0FC20@gmail.com> <15605f16b78.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> Message-ID: Aaron, Please make learning Nemeth a priority. It will make math and science about three million times easier for you. MathLab may be inaccessible, but there are ways to circumvent that. Your teacher can print tests and assignments and get them transcribed for you, but again, you need to learn Nemeth. I can't stress that enough. I wouldn't be half the aspiring physicist that I am today without Nemeth. Geometry is ridiculously difficult without Nemeth. Precalc and chemistry and physics rely on Nemeth. Also, it will depend, as was previously stated, that appropriate accommodations really depend on the course. Forget MathLab for a second. Which math course are you taking? It will be very difficult for us to give you the answers you want without that information. If there is no course name, just tell us the concepts you're supposed to be learning. That will do. Thanks! Best, Cricket Bidleman On 7/19/16, Aaron via NABS-L wrote: > Thanks for your reply. The MyMathLab website is very inaccessible as I > stated before. I cannot even login. I know braille but was not taught any > computer braille or Nemeth braille code. > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From taylorarndt99 at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 01:51:21 2016 From: taylorarndt99 at gmail.com (Taylor Arndt) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 21:51:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Math courses In-Reply-To: <0E593AD0-6C6A-4015-A31D-A6DEFAA0FC20@gmail.com> References: <00fe01d1e202$684c7c30$38e57490$@gmail.com> <0E593AD0-6C6A-4015-A31D-A6DEFAA0FC20@gmail.com> Message-ID: <66EDD6F1-86B9-4612-BB3B-D6F8DF30BB70@gmail.com> What are some alternatives because I have neuropathy in unable to feel braille Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 19, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Anna via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Aaron, > What course would you like to take? There are many techniques and much of it comes down to the specific class and then personal preference or skill. > Let us know what specific questions you have. > I will say that if using braille is an option for you, it often tends to be extremely helpful for math and science. But there are other ways too. > > Thanks, > > Anna E Givens > > >> On Jul 19, 2016, at 3:13 PM, Aaron via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Dear NABS List members, >> >> I read every post but don't post much due to classes. I have learned a lot >> from this group and will continue to stay subscribed after I graduate >> college this year in the spring of 2017. My question to you guys is what >> have you done for math and science classes to make them accessible? All math >> classes at my college use the my math lab online system which is not >> accessible with any screen reader that I have tried including NVDA, JAWS, >> Window Eyes and even System Access. I have thought about taking computer >> courses in beginning coding and IT to make up for these courses. Thoughts >> and comments would be greatly appreciated. Also, I have a custom built >> computer that I use for everything. I am also wondering to cut down on >> carrying back and forth from home to college, would a laptop be a good >> idea? I have an android phone and also an iPad. Just trying to figure >> everything out. Thanks for any advice anybody can give. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Aaron Linson >> >> CEO Blind Faith Project >> >> CEO Linson Productions >> >> >> >> Aaron Linson >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/taylorarndt99%40gmail.com From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 02:25:38 2016 From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 22:25:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Math courses In-Reply-To: <66EDD6F1-86B9-4612-BB3B-D6F8DF30BB70@gmail.com> References: <00fe01d1e202$684c7c30$38e57490$@gmail.com> <0E593AD0-6C6A-4015-A31D-A6DEFAA0FC20@gmail.com> <66EDD6F1-86B9-4612-BB3B-D6F8DF30BB70@gmail.com> Message-ID: <156061f6cd0.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> I am also not good at math. Never have been and I believe I never will be. From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 02:56:27 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 19:56:27 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Math courses In-Reply-To: <156061f6cd0.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> References: <00fe01d1e202$684c7c30$38e57490$@gmail.com> <0E593AD0-6C6A-4015-A31D-A6DEFAA0FC20@gmail.com> <66EDD6F1-86B9-4612-BB3B-D6F8DF30BB70@gmail.com> <156061f6cd0.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> Message-ID: Taylor and Aaron, Apologies, this is very very long. Taylor, I don't know what other alternatives are. Maybe a really good reader or some audio. Screenreaders are not that great at supporting math at present. I'm not an expert on anything that isn't Braille, and I'm really not even an expert on Braille. Sorry that I can't help you as well as I would like to. Aaron, since you don't know what math courses you'll be taking, what concepts would you be covering? Graphing? Algebra? Trig? Geometry? I can't answer you until you can tell me. You could augment with computer code, but that's not very realistic. You can't always do stuff you're "good at" in life, and it would be really good for you to step out of your comfort zone. I know that sounds awful. I'm sorry. Please give math a shot. Let me tell you a story. In fourth grade, I couldn't multiply or divide fractions, and I could not do long division. And guess what? I just let it go. I didn't ask for help, I didn't go for tutoring. I just let it go because there were no letter grades in fourth grade and I passed easily in everything else. So what if I wasn't good at math? I could excel at everything else. In fifth grade, I was screwed. We started with multiplying fractions, eventually moving on to dividing them. I couldn't do it. And there were letter grades. And then we reviewed long division. Like I said, I was screwed. After struggling for a year or three to fill in all the gaps while keeping up with coursework, I finally started figuring things out. But there were a lot of nights where I cried because I %dn't do my math and I'd been struggling for years with it. Worst part? Lots of people told me I would never be good at math. Ever. Even people very close to me would say that, and I started believing them. After all, I couldn't prove them otherwise, so ... I did sort things out though, eventually. The summer before ninth grade, my TVI who mentored me when I was four came to visit. I told her I was going into advanced geometry. She said she knew someone who tried that, and it did not turn out well, resulting in said person dropping the class. After all the loveliness I had been through, I couldn't let that happen to me. Well, I studied my butt off, spending extra hours on geometry that I should have devoted to other things. I didn't have weekends because I had to make sure I passed geometry and all my other classes. And I did pass Advanced Geometry. With a 95 percent first semester and a 99 the second. What the heck is my point with all this? Math is not something that comes extremely easily to most people, especially not to most blind people. That doesn't mean that you can't do it. You can. If I can manage it after completely missing two years of math (I was homeschooled by Dad in third grade and read books for eight hours a day), you'll be just fine. Just give it the time and patience it deserves. At least at first. I spent almost ten years thinking that I would never be good at math, and now I'm an aspiring physics major. And let me tell you, physics is very math intensive. I took AP Chemistry and AP Physics, both of which relied heavily on math. I got through those with mostly A's and one B in second semester AP Chem. The thing was, for AP Chem I didn't have a book for about half of the year. You have an inaccessible site, I didn't even have that. If I can make it through, so can you. You just have to give it a shot. Get back to me with the content you're covering and I'll help you innovate some good solutions. Best, Cricket Bidleman On 7/19/16, Aaron via NABS-L wrote: > I am also not good at math. Never have been and I believe I never will be. > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From todd.orlowski11 at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 03:19:56 2016 From: todd.orlowski11 at gmail.com (Todd Orlowski) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 22:19:56 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] German Teen Message-ID: <578EEDDC.1070603@gmail.com> I can take a look but the royal institute for the blind provides greate information and they also have a shop that will send to Germany. Also there perspective country should have a disability services organization. Todd Orlowski From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 03:25:37 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 20:25:37 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Math courses In-Reply-To: <15606434880.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> References: <00fe01d1e202$684c7c30$38e57490$@gmail.com> <0E593AD0-6C6A-4015-A31D-A6DEFAA0FC20@gmail.com> <66EDD6F1-86B9-4612-BB3B-D6F8DF30BB70@gmail.com> <156061f6cd0.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> <15606434880.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> Message-ID: Aaron, I do not have the expertise to respond to this as thoroughly as I would like. So I'll give an answer on here. But I'm sure other people will have some wonderful insights for you. See forwarded message below, folks. Yes. Learn Nemeth. NFB probably has a course on it. If not, get in touch with your Vocational Rehabilitation counsellor and see what they can do. I'd do that anyway, actually. Tell them that you need to learn Nemeth ASAP. Stress that you need to, don't give them an option. College algebra ... Should not be terribly graphics oriented. It can very very easily be transcribed for you since there won't be that many graphics. Until you can learn Nemeth, find a tutor and a reader to help you. There are plenty around your campus, most likely. Go in for extra time with the profs, they will have office hours. Yes, a youtube video might help, but be warned that they can be dreadfully visual. Last resort? Shoot me an email, and I'll tutor you myself. That's only last resort because I'm going to be ridiculously busy ... But I can find time if need be. Exercise that self-advocacy every possible way you can. Be polite, but make it well known that you need help. You don't want it. You need it. Get started on this ASAP. Don't procrastinate. Don't let it wait. That class will be the death of you if you do. And trust me, it feels amazing to conquer math. Don't let it conquer you. Science ... My teachers still fear teaching me that. Talk to your profs one on one and tell them honestly how you learn best. A partner is absolutely a good idea especially for lab stuff. If the prof is uncomfortable with a student helper, ask for a TA. If that doesn't work, talk to the disability office and tell them you need a partner. If that doesn't work, contact Department of Rehab. If that doesn't work, contact the NFB. Make it clear that you need help. If you have to contact the NFB, it will be because no one was willing to accommodate you even though you did all the proper things, and they will take care of it because it will be a legal issue at that point. When you talk to your science prof, be flexible and willing to negotiate. Be honest, polite, and understanding. It would be kind of scary to teach a blind student lab science, especially if they had never taught any blind person science. Work with your prof, make them feel comfortable and at ease with you and your learning style and your knowledge and accommodations. If you do that, they will eventually want to help you. If they're rigid and unwilling despite your best efforts, then they're a jerk. If they're a jerk, take extra steps. We'll cross that bridge if we come to it. I really hope that helps! Let me know if there's anything else I can do. Best, Cricket Bidleman ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Aaron Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 23:04:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Math courses To: Cricket Bidleman I believe one of the math segments is algebra college algebra. What would you do for science because my college science profs are scared to teach a blind person and you have to have a lab partner. I don't take the profs being scared as an excuse however, I have asked my disabilities office about this math and science issue for 4 years and with my senior year coming up in the fall all they have said is I don't know. Would looking up YouTube videos on college algebra help? What about learning nemeth code? From logan4447 at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 03:38:45 2016 From: logan4447 at gmail.com (Logan Anderson) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 23:38:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Math courses In-Reply-To: References: <00fe01d1e202$684c7c30$38e57490$@gmail.com> <0E593AD0-6C6A-4015-A31D-A6DEFAA0FC20@gmail.com> <66EDD6F1-86B9-4612-BB3B-D6F8DF30BB70@gmail.com> <156061f6cd0.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> <15606434880.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3B0A5FF9-41E8-4E77-AA67-573659C99824@gmail.com> Hi, I do believe that the Hadley Institute for the Blind teaches a course for people to learn Nemeth code. I have not taken said course, so I do not know the logistics, but I do know that their courses are offered in braille. They are technically an online school, but do you teach distance courses using mail delivery for braille materials. Their courses are also free. If you look on their site you will be able to find out more information. I hope this helps. Their website is www.hadley.edu Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 19, 2016, at 11:25 PM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: > > Aaron, > > I do not have the expertise to respond to this as thoroughly as I > would like. So I'll give an answer on here. But I'm sure other people > will have some wonderful insights for you. See forwarded message > below, folks. > > Yes. Learn Nemeth. NFB probably has a course on it. If not, get in > touch with your Vocational Rehabilitation counsellor and see what they > can do. I'd do that anyway, actually. Tell them that you need to learn > Nemeth ASAP. Stress that you need to, don't give them an option. > > College algebra ... Should not be terribly graphics oriented. It can > very very easily be transcribed for you since there won't be that many > graphics. Until you can learn Nemeth, find a tutor and a reader to > help you. There are plenty around your campus, most likely. Go in for > extra time with the profs, they will have office hours. Yes, a youtube > video might help, but be warned that they can be dreadfully visual. > Last resort? Shoot me an email, and I'll tutor you myself. That's only > last resort because I'm going to be ridiculously busy ... But I can > find time if need be. Exercise that self-advocacy every possible way > you can. Be polite, but make it well known that you need help. You > don't want it. You need it. > > Get started on this ASAP. Don't procrastinate. Don't let it wait. That > class will be the death of you if you do. And trust me, it feels > amazing to conquer math. Don't let it conquer you. > > Science ... My teachers still fear teaching me that. Talk to your > profs one on one and tell them honestly how you learn best. A partner > is absolutely a good idea especially for lab stuff. If the prof is > uncomfortable with a student helper, ask for a TA. If that doesn't > work, talk to the disability office and tell them you need a partner. > If that doesn't work, contact Department of Rehab. If that doesn't > work, contact the NFB. Make it clear that you need help. If you have > to contact the NFB, it will be because no one was willing to > accommodate you even though you did all the proper things, and they > will take care of it because it will be a legal issue at that point. > When you talk to your science prof, be flexible and willing to > negotiate. Be honest, polite, and understanding. It would be kind of > scary to teach a blind student lab science, especially if they had > never taught any blind person science. Work with your prof, make them > feel comfortable and at ease with you and your learning style and your > knowledge and accommodations. If you do that, they will eventually > want to help you. If they're rigid and unwilling despite your best > efforts, then they're a jerk. If they're a jerk, take extra steps. > We'll cross that bridge if we come to it. > > I really hope that helps! Let me know if there's anything else I can do. > > Best, > Cricket Bidleman > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Aaron > Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 23:04:48 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Math courses > To: Cricket Bidleman > > I believe one of the math segments is algebra college algebra. What would > you do for science because my college science profs are scared to teach a > blind person and you have to have a lab partner. I don't take the profs > being scared as an excuse however, I have asked my disabilities office > about this math and science issue for 4 years and with my senior year > coming up in the fall all they have said is I don't know. Would looking up > YouTube videos on college algebra help? What about learning nemeth code? > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/logan4447%40gmail.com From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 04:04:08 2016 From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (amazing tech) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 00:04:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Math courses In-Reply-To: <3B0A5FF9-41E8-4E77-AA67-573659C99824@gmail.com> References: <00fe01d1e202$684c7c30$38e57490$@gmail.com> <0E593AD0-6C6A-4015-A31D-A6DEFAA0FC20@gmail.com> <66EDD6F1-86B9-4612-BB3B-D6F8DF30BB70@gmail.com> <156061f6cd0.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> <15606434880.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> <3B0A5FF9-41E8-4E77-AA67-573659C99824@gmail.com> Message-ID: I will check them out. Are their classes easy? I might be taking the class on top of my course load in the fall. Thanks, Aaron Linson CEO Linson Productions. CEO Blind Faith Project > On Jul 19, 2016, at 11:38 PM, Logan Anderson via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi, > I do believe that the Hadley Institute for the Blind teaches a course for people to learn Nemeth code. I have not taken said course, so I do not know the logistics, but I do know that their courses are offered in braille. They are technically an online school, but do you teach distance courses using mail delivery for braille materials. Their courses are also free. If you look on their site you will be able to find out more information. I hope this helps. Their website is > www.hadley.edu > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 19, 2016, at 11:25 PM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Aaron, >> >> I do not have the expertise to respond to this as thoroughly as I >> would like. So I'll give an answer on here. But I'm sure other people >> will have some wonderful insights for you. See forwarded message >> below, folks. >> >> Yes. Learn Nemeth. NFB probably has a course on it. If not, get in >> touch with your Vocational Rehabilitation counsellor and see what they >> can do. I'd do that anyway, actually. Tell them that you need to learn >> Nemeth ASAP. Stress that you need to, don't give them an option. >> >> College algebra ... Should not be terribly graphics oriented. It can >> very very easily be transcribed for you since there won't be that many >> graphics. Until you can learn Nemeth, find a tutor and a reader to >> help you. There are plenty around your campus, most likely. Go in for >> extra time with the profs, they will have office hours. Yes, a youtube >> video might help, but be warned that they can be dreadfully visual. >> Last resort? Shoot me an email, and I'll tutor you myself. That's only >> last resort because I'm going to be ridiculously busy ... But I can >> find time if need be. Exercise that self-advocacy every possible way >> you can. Be polite, but make it well known that you need help. You >> don't want it. You need it. >> >> Get started on this ASAP. Don't procrastinate. Don't let it wait. That >> class will be the death of you if you do. And trust me, it feels >> amazing to conquer math. Don't let it conquer you. >> >> Science ... My teachers still fear teaching me that. Talk to your >> profs one on one and tell them honestly how you learn best. A partner >> is absolutely a good idea especially for lab stuff. If the prof is >> uncomfortable with a student helper, ask for a TA. If that doesn't >> work, talk to the disability office and tell them you need a partner. >> If that doesn't work, contact Department of Rehab. If that doesn't >> work, contact the NFB. Make it clear that you need help. If you have >> to contact the NFB, it will be because no one was willing to >> accommodate you even though you did all the proper things, and they >> will take care of it because it will be a legal issue at that point. >> When you talk to your science prof, be flexible and willing to >> negotiate. Be honest, polite, and understanding. It would be kind of >> scary to teach a blind student lab science, especially if they had >> never taught any blind person science. Work with your prof, make them >> feel comfortable and at ease with you and your learning style and your >> knowledge and accommodations. If you do that, they will eventually >> want to help you. If they're rigid and unwilling despite your best >> efforts, then they're a jerk. If they're a jerk, take extra steps. >> We'll cross that bridge if we come to it. >> >> I really hope that helps! Let me know if there's anything else I can do. >> >> Best, >> Cricket Bidleman >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Aaron >> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 23:04:48 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Math courses >> To: Cricket Bidleman >> >> I believe one of the math segments is algebra college algebra. What would >> you do for science because my college science profs are scared to teach a >> blind person and you have to have a lab partner. I don't take the profs >> being scared as an excuse however, I have asked my disabilities office >> about this math and science issue for 4 years and with my senior year >> coming up in the fall all they have said is I don't know. Would looking up >> YouTube videos on college algebra help? What about learning nemeth code? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/logan4447%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.com From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 04:17:18 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 21:17:18 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Math courses In-Reply-To: References: <00fe01d1e202$684c7c30$38e57490$@gmail.com> <0E593AD0-6C6A-4015-A31D-A6DEFAA0FC20@gmail.com> <66EDD6F1-86B9-4612-BB3B-D6F8DF30BB70@gmail.com> <156061f6cd0.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> <15606434880.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> <3B0A5FF9-41E8-4E77-AA67-573659C99824@gmail.com> Message-ID: Start now if possible. Easy is subjective. Only you can answer that for yourself. On 7/19/16, amazing tech via NABS-L wrote: > I will check them out. Are their classes easy? I might be taking the class > on top of my course load in the fall. > > Thanks, > Aaron Linson > CEO Linson Productions. > CEO Blind Faith Project > >> On Jul 19, 2016, at 11:38 PM, Logan Anderson via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> I do believe that the Hadley Institute for the Blind teaches a course for >> people to learn Nemeth code. I have not taken said course, so I do not >> know the logistics, but I do know that their courses are offered in >> braille. They are technically an online school, but do you teach distance >> courses using mail delivery for braille materials. Their courses are also >> free. If you look on their site you will be able to find out more >> information. I hope this helps. Their website is >> www.hadley.edu >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 19, 2016, at 11:25 PM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> Aaron, >>> >>> I do not have the expertise to respond to this as thoroughly as I >>> would like. So I'll give an answer on here. But I'm sure other people >>> will have some wonderful insights for you. See forwarded message >>> below, folks. >>> >>> Yes. Learn Nemeth. NFB probably has a course on it. If not, get in >>> touch with your Vocational Rehabilitation counsellor and see what they >>> can do. I'd do that anyway, actually. Tell them that you need to learn >>> Nemeth ASAP. Stress that you need to, don't give them an option. >>> >>> College algebra ... Should not be terribly graphics oriented. It can >>> very very easily be transcribed for you since there won't be that many >>> graphics. Until you can learn Nemeth, find a tutor and a reader to >>> help you. There are plenty around your campus, most likely. Go in for >>> extra time with the profs, they will have office hours. Yes, a youtube >>> video might help, but be warned that they can be dreadfully visual. >>> Last resort? Shoot me an email, and I'll tutor you myself. That's only >>> last resort because I'm going to be ridiculously busy ... But I can >>> find time if need be. Exercise that self-advocacy every possible way >>> you can. Be polite, but make it well known that you need help. You >>> don't want it. You need it. >>> >>> Get started on this ASAP. Don't procrastinate. Don't let it wait. That >>> class will be the death of you if you do. And trust me, it feels >>> amazing to conquer math. Don't let it conquer you. >>> >>> Science ... My teachers still fear teaching me that. Talk to your >>> profs one on one and tell them honestly how you learn best. A partner >>> is absolutely a good idea especially for lab stuff. If the prof is >>> uncomfortable with a student helper, ask for a TA. If that doesn't >>> work, talk to the disability office and tell them you need a partner. >>> If that doesn't work, contact Department of Rehab. If that doesn't >>> work, contact the NFB. Make it clear that you need help. If you have >>> to contact the NFB, it will be because no one was willing to >>> accommodate you even though you did all the proper things, and they >>> will take care of it because it will be a legal issue at that point. >>> When you talk to your science prof, be flexible and willing to >>> negotiate. Be honest, polite, and understanding. It would be kind of >>> scary to teach a blind student lab science, especially if they had >>> never taught any blind person science. Work with your prof, make them >>> feel comfortable and at ease with you and your learning style and your >>> knowledge and accommodations. If you do that, they will eventually >>> want to help you. If they're rigid and unwilling despite your best >>> efforts, then they're a jerk. If they're a jerk, take extra steps. >>> We'll cross that bridge if we come to it. >>> >>> I really hope that helps! Let me know if there's anything else I can do. >>> >>> Best, >>> Cricket Bidleman >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: Aaron >>> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 23:04:48 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Math courses >>> To: Cricket Bidleman >>> >>> I believe one of the math segments is algebra college algebra. What >>> would >>> you do for science because my college science profs are scared to teach >>> a >>> blind person and you have to have a lab partner. I don't take the profs >>> being scared as an excuse however, I have asked my disabilities office >>> about this math and science issue for 4 years and with my senior year >>> coming up in the fall all they have said is I don't know. Would looking >>> up >>> YouTube videos on college algebra help? What about learning nemeth code? >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/logan4447%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Jul 20 04:48:21 2016 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 00:48:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] {Spam?} Re: Math courses In-Reply-To: <00fe01d1e202$684c7c30$38e57490$@gmail.com> References: <00fe01d1e202$684c7c30$38e57490$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Aaron, I feel your pain there. Math is my weak subject too. I could not see the board in class even though I have low vision. They did speak everything they could explain. If the professor was solving an equation, she'd speak out the steps but graps could not be explained. Despite the verbalization, I could not learn math auditorily and pretty much had to teach myself the concepts from the text and using a tutor. Do you have any vision? Since you did not use nemeth, how have you done math in the past? For me, I did it visually. It was easier for me to see the layout of things in print and that was enlarged for me. I took a math class years back. My math lab was not accessible back then to screen readers either. I found out the hard way by going to the site and trying everything I could to have jaws read it. I did not use it. Your professor should be able to give you alternate assignments such as textbook problems to complete in place of my math lab assignments. For me, I used a math book from what was RFB, now learning ally. I also used some large print of the text. My tutor helped me learn the concepts. For word problems, I had a reader read those to me when taking exams in combination with large print. For you, if you have no vision, using nemeth or your own system of writing symbols will work. Its best to work out homework problems step by step. I'd say your best solution is to use a reader for the textbook unless you can have your dss office braille the math text book. In terms of learning the material, it depends on the class. If its algebra or something like it with numbers, you can work the problems out in braille or on a computer. If it is more visual like geometry with shapes and graphs, if you have no vision, you will need to devise some tactile way to represent them. You can use wiki sticks or string for less permanent things. But for permanent things you want to refer to for studying, I think something like graphic art tape on raised line graph paper is a good idea. You can get this graphing paper from APH. I think you will need to have a reader for the textbook and a tutor. Many colleges offer tutors for free. It sounds like you're trying to pass your required math classes and then leave math in the dust. It can be tough. Good luck. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Aaron via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 5:13 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Aaron Subject: [nabs-l] Math courses Dear NABS List members, I read every post but don't post much due to classes. I have learned a lot from this group and will continue to stay subscribed after I graduate college this year in the spring of 2017. My question to you guys is what have you done for math and science classes to make them accessible? All math classes at my college use the my math lab online system which is not accessible with any screen reader that I have tried including NVDA, JAWS, Window Eyes and even System Access. I have thought about taking computer courses in beginning coding and IT to make up for these courses. Thoughts and comments would be greatly appreciated. Also, I have a custom built computer that I use for everything. I am also wondering to cut down on carrying back and forth from home to college, would a laptop be a good idea? I have an android phone and also an iPad. Just trying to figure everything out. Thanks for any advice anybody can give. Thanks, Aaron Linson CEO Blind Faith Project CEO Linson Productions Aaron Linson _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Jul 20 04:52:16 2016 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 00:52:16 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Math courses In-Reply-To: <156061f6cd0.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> References: <00fe01d1e202$684c7c30$38e57490$@gmail.com><0E593AD0-6C6A-4015-A31D-A6DEFAA0FC20@gmail.com><66EDD6F1-86B9-4612-BB3B-D6F8DF30BB70@gmail.com> <156061f6cd0.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> Message-ID: Aaron, We are all not good at some specific required subjects. I think you should do what you need to to get through it for college. I wish you success as you find what works for you. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Aaron via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 10:25 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Aaron Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Math courses I am also not good at math. Never have been and I believe I never will be. _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 06:13:04 2016 From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 02:13:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] {Spam?} Re: Math courses In-Reply-To: References: <00fe01d1e202$684c7c30$38e57490$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <15606efa580.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> Ashley and all, I have a little vision, I am getting a prodigi from Humanware which I am excited. I tried and mostly understood problems through high school through looking at them. Or like to understand math a little more because as a musician I need to understand how to quickly divide fractions in my hear. Which I can not do. I also have problems understanding word problems and understanding concepts that don't make sense and accepting them and figuring them out. Just spilling it all out for you guys. Sorry for the long post. From jsoro620 at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 14:11:31 2016 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:11:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Time Management In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dammit, Arielle should have written that post more than ten years ago! Haha. Very well written and still applicable to me personally now in my professional life. The only thing I would extend on is the idea of incentives. Arielle speaks of looking forward to her 24 hours off. That speaks of incentivizing your schedule, which is crucial to helping to keep you motivated. Perhaps you enjoy watching trash TV in the evenings. You can promise yourself to watch it guilt-free if you accomplish X, Y and Z. There's nothing wrong with enjoying things you love if you learn how to position them in your schedule in such a way as to complement what needs to be achieved. Another example? Email! You know your inbox can become a distracting devil. Should you be reading my babble, or would you be better off knocking out an assignment right now? :) No, I don't watch trash TV! Still, if anyone wants to talk about the Real Housewives of Orange County... I'm just saying! Kidding aside, awesome post Arielle! Best, Joe On 7/19/16, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: > Hi Arielle, > > That email was very enlightening. I will definitely keep these > techniques in mind, especially since they are tried and true. I find > that a lot of the time, people talk about things they do to manage > time, but nobody really knows if they're successful or not. It's > reassuring to have someone who went through college with flying colors > talk about the way they managed time. Thanks for the insight! > > Best, > Cricket Bidleman > > On 7/19/16, Arielle Silverman via NABS-L wrote: >> Hi all, >> The recent discussion made me reflect on my college experiences and >> the process I used for time management. I wanted to share some >> strategies I used successfully in the hopes that it might help some of >> you who are feeling overwhelmed by the demands on your free time from >> studying. Time management is an important skill whether you are blind >> or sighted, and it matters in the job world as much or more than it >> does in college. I do believe, though, that everyone can learn to >> become good time managers by following a few simple procedures. >> To give some background, I graduated in 2007 with a double major in >> biology and psychology. I took between 13 and 17 credits per semester, >> and earned a 3.91 GPA. I'm sharing this not to brag, but just to >> demonstrate that my time management process was effective, and it is >> certainly possible for a blind student to take a challenging course >> load, have a life, and get a full night's sleep every night. Yes >> that's right, a full night's sleep. >> So how did I do it? First, I scheduled mandatory breaks. This may >> sound counter-intuitive; with so much to do, how could taking more >> breaks possibly be helpful for time management? But, just as you want >> to charge your phone regularly so it doesn't die on you at the worst >> time, so too, our brains need to regularly recharge. As was mentioned, >> when we don't charge our mental batteries regularly, they can die on >> us at the worst times, in the form of falling asleep, zoning out >> during a reading assignment, or getting writer's block while working >> on a paper. To ensure my mental batteries were charged, I made a rule >> that no matter how busy I was, I would always quit working 8-9 hours >> before I had to get up the next day. So if I had a 9:00 class, and had >> to get up at 7:30 to get ready, then by about 10:30 or 11:00 I would >> shut the book and go to bed. I made sleep first priority. I need a lot >> of sleep to function, and some of you may do just fine on six hours a >> night. Figure out how much sleep you need to function well, and then >> schedule an appointment with your bed each night so that sleep will >> happen. With a well-rested brain, you will be able to think clearly, >> retain information, avoid becoming frustrated, and articulate your >> ideas clearly in papers. This is doubly important the night before an >> exam, which is why I never understood the all-night cramming trend. >> Eating regular meals is also important to keep your brain running >> smoothly. >> In addition, I took a 24-hour hiatus from schoolwork each weekend. I >> preferred to do this during the Jewish Sabbath on Saturdays, so I did >> no work on Friday evenings or Saturdays during the day. During this >> day off, I would focus on other things like spending time with my >> family and friends, NFB activities, or just relaxing in front of the >> TV. Your hiatus day could be Saturday, Sunday, even a weekday when you >> don't have classes; but by taking one day off each week, you are >> likely to feel more motivated, and work faster and more efficiently >> when you return to the grind. It also gave me something to look >> forward to when I was getting burned out at the end of the week, and >> made me less tempted to take impromptu breaks. >> >> As far as how I managed my actual work time, I created a file called >> "ToDo" on my Braille Note. In it, I kept track of school assignments >> that were first priority (due the next day), second priority (due >> sometime in the next 2-6 days), and last priority (due in more than a >> week). When I got home from classes each day, I would start by >> knocking out the first priority stuff, take a quick break and then >> move on to the second priority stuff. The real trick is to try to get >> a head start on some of those Priority 2 assignments before they >> become Priority 1's, so that on any given day, you don't have too much >> work that's due the next day. >> I used my syllabi as a guide for scheduling my work. For bigger >> assignments like term papers, I would break down the assignment into >> weekly sub-assignments. So if my term paper was due in a month, I >> might give myself an assignment to do some initial research on my >> topic this week. Then, next week I would work on taking notes on my >> sources, then during the third week I would write the first half of >> the paper, and during the last week, finish the paper. Breaking things >> down into manageable chunks makes them easier to manage. When doing >> this, try to build some extra time into your schedule in case you run >> into any unexpected issues with accessibility or just with things >> taking longer than you expected. If you work with readers, you can use >> your scheduled reader appointments as deadlines by which you will have >> certain sections of the assignment completed. >> The key with any time management system is to be both rigid and >> flexible when making rules for yourself. Set a structure that you will >> follow, but then be willing to adjust it if things come up or if you >> find that the structure you tried out isn't quite working for you. >> Calendars, alarms, and other tools can be useful for helping you stick >> to your system and keeping track of how much time you have available >> to you. If you find that your work is taking too long, or you are >> struggling to come up with a good time management process, it's OK to >> start slow, and take only one or two classes until you feel like you >> can stay on top of your time. It takes practice to become a good time >> manager, and there are definitely ways I could still improve myself. >> If you are in high school, it is not too soon to begin practicing >> managing your workload. >> >> I hope this is helpful. >> Best, Arielle >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com > From leyeshprintse at ymail.com Wed Jul 20 14:47:39 2016 From: leyeshprintse at ymail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Leye-Shprintse_=C3=96berg?=) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 16:47:39 +0200 Subject: [nabs-l] Career: Academic Message-ID: BS'D Good afternoon everybody, I've started to ponder if a career in academia would be something for me. I'm preparing my B.A. in Comparative Literature and after that I'll do my M.A. in Comparative Literature, I'm doing my B.A. online and I'll probably do my M.A. online as well, will it be seen negatively if I'll apply to a Ph.D. program in the future, the online program has the same curriculum as the campus program. In my country of birth1 it"s very uncommon for student to do Ph.Ds., so I've very little knowledge of what a Ph.D. program includes. Would a Ph.D. student be willing to give me the insight of how a life is for a Ph.D. student, I would be very thankful. LeSholom, Leye-Shprintse Öberg E-mail: leyeshprintse at ymail.com Blog: http://leyeshprintse.com Facebook: http://facebook.com/leyeshprintse Twitter: http://twitter.com/LeyeShprintse Sent from my iPad Pro Mini From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 15:12:39 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 11:12:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Math courses Message-ID: <578f9514.834b810a.977ad.4ebd@mx.google.com> Hi Aaron thanks for your message. I have taken Economics courses as a substitution for college math courses. The professort and the Disability Support Services Office worked with me to make the coursework accessible. Disability Support Services provided me with raised-lined graphs so I could study them ahead of time before exams. From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 15:12:41 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 11:12:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Time Management Message-ID: <578f9516.834b810a.977ad.4ebe@mx.google.com> Hi Arielle thanks for your message. I agree that time management is an important skill for succeeding in college. Last semester I found that it was helpful to create a calendar so I knew when things were due. I also set reminders two days before an assignment was due. As far as managing time at work, I find it helpful to take breaks regularly. From kmaent1 at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 15:23:19 2016 From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 11:23:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Career: Academic Message-ID: <578f978c.075a810a.79eb3.4d5b@mx.google.com> Hi=20LeSholom, I=20imagine=20this=20varies=20a=20great=20deal=20based=20on=20the=20country= =20that=20you=20 would=20want=20to=20get=20your=20Ph.D.=20in.=20=20I=20can't=20tell=20you=20= much=20about=20 being=20a=20Ph.D.=20student=20because=20I'm=20not=20starting=20my=20Ph.D.=20= until=20the=20 fall,=20but=20I=20will=20say=20that=20at=20least=20in=20the=20U.S.=20in=20m= ost=20academic=20 fields=20it's=20better=20to=20skip=20the=20MA=20if=20you=20can=20and=20get= =20straight=20 into=20a=20Ph.D.=20program=20because=20you=20will=20not=20be=20able=20to=20= transfer=20 more=20than=20a=20semester=20or=20maybe=20two=20(if=20anything)=20of=20your= =20MA=20 credits=20and=20because=20MA=20programs=20are=20usually=20unfunded=20while= =20Ph.D.=20 programs=20are=20usually=20funded.=20=20Generally=20what=20I've=20been=20to= ld=20is=20 that=20admissions=20committees=20primarily=20care=20about=20the=20quality=20= of=20 your=20writing=20sample=20and=20the=20quality=20of=20your=20letters=20of=20= recommendation=20with=20GPA=20and=20your=20GRE=20scores=20being=20secondary= =20 factors--though=20many=20schools=20set=20cut=20off=20points=20and=20only=20= look=20at=20 applications=20with=20GPA=20and=20GRE=20scores=20above=20a=20certain=20thre= shold.=20=20 In=20your=20case,=20your=20English=20proficiency=20test=20scores=20would=20= also=20be=20 important.=20=20Of=20course=20your=20letters=20of=20recommendation=20will=20= mean=20 more=20if=20they're=20by=20well=20known=20scholars=20in=20your=20field,=20a= nd=20if=20they=20 can=20say=20good=20things=20about=20you=20(the=20latter=20is=20harder=20in= =20an=20online=20 program=20since=20your=20professors=20won't=20really=20get=20to=20know=20yo= u=20in=20 person).=20=20Committees=20are=20really=20trying=20to=20find=20out=20whethe= r=20you=20 will=20be=20able=20to=20do=20well=20in=20their=20program=20and=20do=20resea= rch=20that=20 will=20look=20good=20for=20the=20school,=20so=20any=20evidence=20that=20you= =20have=20of=20 conducting=20good=20research=20(things=20like=20publishing=20articles=20or= =20 presenting=20at=20conferences=20are=20good=20here)=20or=20any=20evidence=20= that=20you=20 have=20that=20you=20can=20work=20hard=20and=20deal=20with=20the=20stress=20= is=20 important.=20=20I=20imagine=20you=20will=20get=20a=20lot=20more=20advice=20= from=20people=20 more=20knowledgable=20than=20me=20on=20this=20list,=20but=20you=20might=20a= lso=20try=20 the=20blind=20academics=20list.=20=20I=20don't=20know=20the=20website=20off= =20the=20top=20 of=20my=20head,=20but=20I=20can=20try=20to=20find=20it=20later. HTH, Karl =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Leye-Shprintse=20=C3=96berg=20via=20NABS-L=20 References: <00fe01d1e202$684c7c30$38e57490$@gmail.com> <15606efa580.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B7A41B4-5310-48B1-86A6-35FE6959D22E@gmail.com> Hi again, I don't know about a lot of the courses through that particular school. I needed an extra credit in high school, so I took a braille music course through them. I ended up not needing the course, but that's a whole Nother story. That course was relatively easy, but I knew braille music previously. I cannot say for you how easy a Nemeth course would be. I am a college freshman, and I'm taking a general math scores that many students at my school take. I know other blind and visually impaired students of taking it with pretty much no problem. It involves all facets of General mathematics, like geometry, trigonometry, and algebra based calculus. This course will be in preparation for the psychological statistics courses I need to take to get my bachelor of arts in psychology, so that I may then obtain my masters in another subject area. As I have not yet taken the course I do not know a lot about it. I do know however, that many professors if you talk with them are willing to help you out in whatever way you may need. I also go through my disability services office for other things like getting my text books in a format that I can read. I do not receive braille textbooks, but instead I can receive digital copies of them that I can read in whatever format I want. I do not know what the situation will be for math yet, but like I said I am going to email my professor and explain to him who I am, what I need, and a little bit about my blindness. As someone had previously stated it is best to begin the course as early as possible. I suggest calling Hadley, and talking to them about what you need for coursework to learn Nemeth. Also, explain that you are a college student who will be needing this for a math class that you will take the upcoming year or semester. I say this, because typically they work with people trying to get their high school diploma after leaving high school. Sometimes they work at a very slow pace, but you just have to explain that you need to work more quickly and they are usually pretty helpful. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 20, 2016, at 2:13 AM, Aaron via NABS-L wrote: > > Ashley and all, > I have a little vision, I am getting a prodigi from Humanware which I am excited. I tried and mostly understood problems through high school through looking at them. Or like to understand math a little more because as a musician I need to understand how to quickly divide fractions in my hear. Which I can not do. I also have problems understanding word problems and understanding concepts that don't make sense and accepting them and figuring them out. Just spilling it all out for you guys. Sorry for the long post. > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/logan4447%40gmail.com From nabs.president at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 16:39:59 2016 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (NABS President) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 12:39:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing the 2016-17 NABS list moderators Message-ID: <02ec01d1e2a5$5b97eee0$12c7cca0$@gmail.com> Dear NABS, I am pleased to announce our 2016-17 National Association of Blind Students list moderators for the upcoming calendar year. Bryan Duarte, NABS Board member, bjduarte at asu.edu Chris Nusbaum, NABS Board Member, dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Chelsea Peahl, President, Utah Association of Blind Students, chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com Shannon Cantan, President, Hawaii Association of Blind Students, Shannon.cantan at gmail.com I have appointed these four individuals with the sole purpose of monitoring the NABS-l discussion list. Since we are a high-trafficked listserv, I've decided to continue the trend of having fabulous leaders step up to ensure that our list is productive, effective, inclusive, and welcoming to all. Please keep in mind that these four students, as well as members of the NABS Board, may discontinue a conversation thread. There is not any malicious intent behind such halting, rather a way to avoid conflict on topics that should not be discussed in this open forum. Furthermore, one of our moderators will be sending monthly reminders of the NABS list guidelines. This has been done in the past by Arielle Silverman, and we are so gracious for her efforts throughout the past two years. Please feel free to email any of the list moderators if you are hesitant about a topic starter, or simply want input on a discussion before bringing it up. Do not feel that this is necessary by any means, but it is an option when contemplating the birth of a controversial thread. Thank you in advance for contributions to the list, and please let us know if there is anything we can do to improve your experience on our listserv. Best, Kathryn Webster President | National Association of Blind Students From leyeshprintse at ymail.com Wed Jul 20 16:43:29 2016 From: leyeshprintse at ymail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Leye-Shprintse_=C3=96berg?=) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 18:43:29 +0200 Subject: [nabs-l] Career: Academic In-Reply-To: <578f978c.075a810a.79eb3.4d5b@mx.google.com> References: <578f978c.075a810a.79eb3.4d5b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: BS'D Karl, Thanks for your answer! If I decide to go for a Ph.D. in Comparative Literature, I'll probably do it in Canada or the States. I don't think that I'll skip my M.A. because I'll need that time to prepare the foundation of my application to a program. In Europe, our university education is built in three steps, bachelor's degree, master's degree and doctorate degree, so I think that it's not so easy for an European student to skip that step. I understand that people can get the perception that teachers and students don't get to know each other during an online program, but that doesn't need to be the fact. I've always been welcome to send my questions and schedule a meeting with both my professors who I've had on campus and also to them who I've had online. All sorts of relationships need some work, so I'm not so worried. I'm interested in the Blind academics' list and I would be happy if you would share your future experiences with me, which subject is your Ph.D. in? I wish you a good evening! LeSholom, Leye-Shprintse Öberg leyeshprintse at ymail.com http://www.leyeshprintse.com Envoyé de mon iPhone > On 20 Jul 2016, at 17:23, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi LeSholom, > > I imagine this varies a great deal based on the country that you would want to get your Ph.D. in. I can't tell you much about being a Ph.D. student because I'm not starting my Ph.D. until the fall, but I will say that at least in the U.S. in most academic fields it's better to skip the MA if you can and get straight into a Ph.D. program because you will not be able to transfer more than a semester or maybe two (if anything) of your MA credits and because MA programs are usually unfunded while Ph.D. programs are usually funded. Generally what I've been told is that admissions committees primarily care about the quality of your writing sample and the quality of your letters of recommendation with GPA and your GRE scores being secondary factors--though many schools set cut off points and only look at applications with GPA and GRE scores above a certain threshold. In your case, your English proficiency test scores would also be important. Of course your letters of recommendation will mean more if they're by well known scholars in your field, and if they can say good things about you (the latter is harder in an online program since your professors won't really get to know you in person). Committees are really trying to find out whether you will be able to do well in their program and do research that will look good for the school, so any evidence that you have of conducting good research (things like publishing articles or presenting at conferences are good here) or any evidence that you have that you can work hard and deal with the stress is important. I imagine you will get a lot more advice from people more knowledgable than me on this list, but you might also try the blind academics list. I don't know the website off the top of my head, but I can try to find it later. > > HTH, > Karl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Leye-Shprintse Öberg via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 16:47:39 +0200 > Subject: [nabs-l] Career: Academic > > BS'D > > Good afternoon everybody, > > I've started to ponder if a career in academia would be something for me. I'm preparing my B.A. in Comparative Literature and after that I'll do my M.A. in Comparative Literature, I'm doing my B.A. online and I'll probably do my M.A. online as well, will it be seen negatively if I'll apply to a Ph.D. program in the future, the online program has the same curriculum as the campus program. In my country of birth1 it"s very uncommon for student to do Ph.Ds., so I've very little knowledge of what a Ph.D. program includes. Would a Ph.D. student be willing to give me the insight of how a life is for a Ph.D. student, I would be very thankful. > > LeSholom, > Leye-Shprintse Öberg > E-mail: leyeshprintse at ymail.com > Blog: http://leyeshprintse.com > Facebook: http://facebook.com/leyeshprintse > Twitter: http://twitter.com/LeyeShprintse > Sent from my iPad Pro Mini > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leyeshprintse%40ymail.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 17:08:36 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 13:08:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing the 2016-17 NABS list moderators In-Reply-To: <02ec01d1e2a5$5b97eee0$12c7cca0$@gmail.com> References: <02ec01d1e2a5$5b97eee0$12c7cca0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2EA5D180-D37A-4184-AD08-57FEF4980911@gmail.com> Congratulations to the knew list moderators. I look forward too working with you. Sent from my iPad > On Jul 20, 2016, at 12:39 PM, NABS President via NABS-L wrote: > > Dear NABS, > > > > I am pleased to announce our 2016-17 National Association of > Blind Students list moderators for the upcoming calendar year. > > > > Bryan Duarte, NABS Board member, bjduarte at asu.edu > > Chris Nusbaum, NABS Board Member, dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com > > Chelsea Peahl, President, Utah Association of Blind Students, > chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com > > Shannon Cantan, President, Hawaii Association of Blind Students, > Shannon.cantan at gmail.com > > > > I have appointed these four individuals with the sole purpose of monitoring > the NABS-l discussion list. Since we are a high-trafficked listserv, I've > decided to continue the trend of having fabulous leaders step up to ensure > that our list is productive, effective, inclusive, and welcoming to all. > Please keep in mind that these four students, as well as members of the NABS > Board, may discontinue a conversation thread. There is not any malicious > intent behind such halting, rather a way to avoid conflict on topics that > should not be discussed in this open forum. Furthermore, one of our > moderators will be sending monthly reminders of the NABS list guidelines. > This has been done in the past by Arielle Silverman, and we are so gracious > for her efforts throughout the past two years. > > > > Please feel free to email any of the list moderators if you are hesitant > about a topic starter, or simply want input on a discussion before bringing > it up. Do not feel that this is necessary by any means, but it is an option > when contemplating the birth of a controversial thread. > > > > Thank you in advance for contributions to the list, and please let us know > if there is anything we can do to improve your experience on our listserv. > > > > Best, > > Kathryn Webster > > President | National Association of Blind Students > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 17:12:55 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:12:55 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing the 2016-17 NABS list moderators In-Reply-To: <2EA5D180-D37A-4184-AD08-57FEF4980911@gmail.com> References: <02ec01d1e2a5$5b97eee0$12c7cca0$@gmail.com> <2EA5D180-D37A-4184-AD08-57FEF4980911@gmail.com> Message-ID: Indeed ... Congrats to all of you. Good luck with moderating apl of the stuff that goes on here. LOL On 7/20/16, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L wrote: > Congratulations to the knew list moderators. I look forward too working with > you. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Jul 20, 2016, at 12:39 PM, NABS President via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Dear NABS, >> >> >> >> I am pleased to announce our 2016-17 National Association >> of >> Blind Students list moderators for the upcoming calendar year. >> >> >> >> Bryan Duarte, NABS Board member, bjduarte at asu.edu >> >> Chris Nusbaum, NABS Board Member, dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com >> >> Chelsea Peahl, President, Utah Association of Blind Students, >> chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com >> >> Shannon Cantan, President, Hawaii Association of Blind Students, >> Shannon.cantan at gmail.com >> >> >> >> I have appointed these four individuals with the sole purpose of >> monitoring >> the NABS-l discussion list. Since we are a high-trafficked listserv, I've >> decided to continue the trend of having fabulous leaders step up to >> ensure >> that our list is productive, effective, inclusive, and welcoming to all. >> Please keep in mind that these four students, as well as members of the >> NABS >> Board, may discontinue a conversation thread. There is not any malicious >> intent behind such halting, rather a way to avoid conflict on topics that >> should not be discussed in this open forum. Furthermore, one of our >> moderators will be sending monthly reminders of the NABS list guidelines. >> This has been done in the past by Arielle Silverman, and we are so >> gracious >> for her efforts throughout the past two years. >> >> >> >> Please feel free to email any of the list moderators if you are hesitant >> about a topic starter, or simply want input on a discussion before >> bringing >> it up. Do not feel that this is necessary by any means, but it is an >> option >> when contemplating the birth of a controversial thread. >> >> >> >> Thank you in advance for contributions to the list, and please let us >> know >> if there is anything we can do to improve your experience on our >> listserv. >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> Kathryn Webster >> >> President | National Association of Blind Students >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 17:21:28 2016 From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (Angela Roberts) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 12:21:28 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How to do pre-algebra and algebra on the computer? Message-ID: Hello all, hope you're having a wonderful afternoon. I recently spoke to my math teacher from Hadley, Who informed me that once I began the pre-algebra series and then move on to the algebra series, it will be very difficult for me to do the math problems on the computer. I do not know Grade 2 Braille or the Braille code for Math. Does anybody have any suggestions on how to complete the pre-algebra and algebra problems using the computer? I am partially sighted, so I use vision to help me as well as a screen reader. From shannon.cantan at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 18:15:26 2016 From: shannon.cantan at gmail.com (shannon.cantan at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:15:26 -1000 Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing the 2016-17 NABS list moderators In-Reply-To: <02ec01d1e2a5$5b97eee0$12c7cca0$@gmail.com> References: <02ec01d1e2a5$5b97eee0$12c7cca0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Greetings all, And thank you Madam President for the introduction. I am honored to be here. Please do not hesitate to reach out to me about any issues, concerns, or general questions. Now, let's continue to have lively, informative, and respectful discussions. > On Jul 20, 2016, at 6:39 AM, NABS President via NABS-L wrote: > > Dear NABS, > > > > I am pleased to announce our 2016-17 National Association of > Blind Students list moderators for the upcoming calendar year. > > > > Bryan Duarte, NABS Board member, bjduarte at asu.edu > > Chris Nusbaum, NABS Board Member, dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com > > Chelsea Peahl, President, Utah Association of Blind Students, > chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com > > Shannon Cantan, President, Hawaii Association of Blind Students, > Shannon.cantan at gmail.com > > > > I have appointed these four individuals with the sole purpose of monitoring > the NABS-l discussion list. Since we are a high-trafficked listserv, I've > decided to continue the trend of having fabulous leaders step up to ensure > that our list is productive, effective, inclusive, and welcoming to all. > Please keep in mind that these four students, as well as members of the NABS > Board, may discontinue a conversation thread. There is not any malicious > intent behind such halting, rather a way to avoid conflict on topics that > should not be discussed in this open forum. Furthermore, one of our > moderators will be sending monthly reminders of the NABS list guidelines. > This has been done in the past by Arielle Silverman, and we are so gracious > for her efforts throughout the past two years. > > > > Please feel free to email any of the list moderators if you are hesitant > about a topic starter, or simply want input on a discussion before bringing > it up. Do not feel that this is necessary by any means, but it is an option > when contemplating the birth of a controversial thread. > > > > Thank you in advance for contributions to the list, and please let us know > if there is anything we can do to improve your experience on our listserv. > > > > Best, > > Kathryn Webster > > President | National Association of Blind Students > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/shannon.cantan%40gmail.com From bjduarte at asu.edu Wed Jul 20 18:51:41 2016 From: bjduarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 11:51:41 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] How to do pre-algebra and algebra on the computer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3B48426B-C660-44D9-8904-0802576E4524@asu.edu> Hello Angela, There are two different ways to answer this question. The first requires that you explain how you are talking about doing the math on a computer? If you are just needing a way to interact with the math equations using a computer and visually structure your solutions I would recommend using something like Latex. Although Latex does require you to write some code like syntax to use, it does allow you to create algebraic expressions visually. If you are interested in utilizing something like Latex or would like to see some examples we included resources for this purpose in the NABS Student Success Toolkit. NABS does still have these toolkits available for purchase if you are interested in that avenue or you could conduct some research on your own to see how it works. The second answer is if you were referring to how to compute math equations using a computer. If you are trying to figure out how to use something like a scientific calculator with graphing functionality there are a couple different ways. The first is to purchase a talking scientific calculator which has graphing capabilities. The other option is to look into some talking graphing software available for purchase. Another way to handle mathematics is to use a simple text editor and do a number/word variation. For example you could do something like this. 2 PI R squared MX plus B A squared, plus, B squared, equals C squared This is just a way for you to write your equations using numbers and words but it makes it some what difficult to read for someone looking at it visually. This method works better for someone relying on a screen reader not vision. I hope this could be of some assistance. If not I am sure some others will have some tips and tricks for doing math. Go Devils! Bryan Duarte software engineer ASU Computer Science Ph.D candidate QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/ “let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.” -- St. Teresa of Avila > On Jul 20, 2016, at 10:21 AM, Angela Roberts via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello all, hope you're having a wonderful afternoon. > I recently spoke to my math teacher from Hadley, Who informed me that once > I began the pre-algebra series and then move on to the algebra series, it > will be very difficult for me to do the math problems on the computer. > I do not know Grade 2 Braille or the Braille code for Math. Does anybody > have any suggestions on how to complete the pre-algebra and algebra > problems using the computer? I am partially sighted, so I use vision to > help me as well as a screen reader. > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bjduarte%40asu.edu From Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org Wed Jul 20 18:57:08 2016 From: Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org (Wasif, Zunaira) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 18:57:08 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] How to do pre-algebra and algebra on the computer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The Braille note touch allows you to write in nemyth code using a braille keyboard and translates it into the appropriate print. You can email your homework to the professor directly from the device. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angela Roberts via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 1:21 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Angela Roberts Subject: [nabs-l] How to do pre-algebra and algebra on the computer? Hello all, hope you're having a wonderful afternoon. I recently spoke to my math teacher from Hadley, Who informed me that once I began the pre-algebra series and then move on to the algebra series, it will be very difficult for me to do the math problems on the computer. I do not know Grade 2 Braille or the Braille code for Math. Does anybody have any suggestions on how to complete the pre-algebra and algebra problems using the computer? I am partially sighted, so I use vision to help me as well as a screen reader. _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs.fldoe.org From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 18:59:07 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 11:59:07 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] How to do pre-algebra and algebra on the computer? In-Reply-To: <3B48426B-C660-44D9-8904-0802576E4524@asu.edu> References: <3B48426B-C660-44D9-8904-0802576E4524@asu.edu> Message-ID: Hi Angela, You could also opt to use an online software-ish thing like Pearson's Equation Editor. That's only if you don't need to do any calculations though. It is now NVDA Accessible as well, if you use NVDA. You can type math using either a Braille display, laptop, or both, so it supports blind people and visually impaired people. And you can read math inn it using a Braille display, magnification software, or NVDA. Hope that helps! Best, Cricket Bidleman On 7/20/16, Bryan Duarte via NABS-L wrote: > Hello Angela, > > There are two different ways to answer this question. The first requires > that you explain how you are talking about doing the math on a computer? If > you are just needing a way to interact with the math equations using a > computer and visually structure your solutions I would recommend using > something like Latex. Although Latex does require you to write some code > like syntax to use, it does allow you to create algebraic expressions > visually. If you are interested in utilizing something like Latex or would > like to see some examples we included resources for this purpose in the NABS > Student Success Toolkit. NABS does still have these toolkits available for > purchase if you are interested in that avenue or you could conduct some > research on your own to see how it works. > > The second answer is if you were referring to how to compute math equations > using a computer. If you are trying to figure out how to use something like > a scientific calculator with graphing functionality there are a couple > different ways. The first is to purchase a talking scientific calculator > which has graphing capabilities. The other option is to look into some > talking graphing software available for purchase. > > Another way to handle mathematics is to use a simple text editor and do a > number/word variation. For example you could do something like this. > 2 PI R squared > > MX plus B > > A squared, plus, B squared, equals C squared > > This is just a way for you to write your equations using numbers and words > but it makes it some what difficult to read for someone looking at it > visually. This method works better for someone relying on a screen reader > not vision. > > I hope this could be of some assistance. If not I am sure some others will > have some tips and tricks for doing math. > > > Go Devils! > > Bryan Duarte software engineer > ASU Computer Science Ph.D candidate > QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/ > > “let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing > away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks > nothing; God alone suffices.” > -- St. Teresa of Avila > >> On Jul 20, 2016, at 10:21 AM, Angela Roberts via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Hello all, hope you're having a wonderful afternoon. >> I recently spoke to my math teacher from Hadley, Who informed me that once >> I began the pre-algebra series and then move on to the algebra series, it >> will be very difficult for me to do the math problems on the computer. >> I do not know Grade 2 Braille or the Braille code for Math. Does anybody >> have any suggestions on how to complete the pre-algebra and algebra >> problems using the computer? I am partially sighted, so I use vision to >> help me as well as a screen reader. >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bjduarte%40asu.edu > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 18:59:59 2016 From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (Angela Roberts) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 13:59:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How to do pre-algebra and algebra on the computer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I do not have that device. I do not know braille well enough to write math problems. On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Wasif, Zunaira via NABS-L wrote: > The Braille note touch allows you to write in nemyth code using a braille > keyboard and translates it into the appropriate print. You can email your > homework to the professor directly from the device. > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org ] On Behalf > Of Angela Roberts via NABS-L > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 1:21 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: Angela Roberts > > Subject: [nabs-l] How to do pre-algebra and algebra on the computer? > > Hello all, hope you're having a wonderful afternoon. > I recently spoke to my math teacher from Hadley, Who informed me that once > I began the pre-algebra series and then move on to the algebra series, it > will be very difficult for me to do the math problems on the computer. > I do not know Grade 2 Braille or the Braille code for Math. Does anybody > have any suggestions on how to complete the pre-algebra and algebra > problems using the computer? I am partially sighted, so I use vision to > help me as well as a screen reader. > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs.fldoe.org > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com > From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 19:00:37 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 12:00:37 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] How to do pre-algebra and algebra on the computer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Zunaira, Angela said she is a large print user, so a BrailleNote Touch or BrailleNote Apex would not necessarily be the solution. Best, Cricket Bidleman On 7/20/16, Wasif, Zunaira via NABS-L wrote: > The Braille note touch allows you to write in nemyth code using a braille > keyboard and translates it into the appropriate print. You can email your > homework to the professor directly from the device. > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angela Roberts > via NABS-L > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 1:21 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Angela Roberts > Subject: [nabs-l] How to do pre-algebra and algebra on the computer? > > Hello all, hope you're having a wonderful afternoon. > I recently spoke to my math teacher from Hadley, Who informed me that once I > began the pre-algebra series and then move on to the algebra series, it will > be very difficult for me to do the math problems on the computer. > I do not know Grade 2 Braille or the Braille code for Math. Does anybody > have any suggestions on how to complete the pre-algebra and algebra problems > using the computer? I am partially sighted, so I use vision to help me as > well as a screen reader. > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs.fldoe.org > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 19:06:54 2016 From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (Angela Roberts) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:06:54 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How to do pre-algebra and algebra on the computer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Do you know if the Pearson's equation editor is free to use? Also, how would I then email my assignments to my teacher? On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: > Zunaira, > > Angela said she is a large print user, so a BrailleNote Touch or > BrailleNote Apex would not necessarily be the solution. > > Best, > Cricket Bidleman > > On 7/20/16, Wasif, Zunaira via NABS-L > > wrote: > > The Braille note touch allows you to write in nemyth code using a braille > > keyboard and translates it into the appropriate print. You can email your > > homework to the professor directly from the device. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org ] On > Behalf Of Angela Roberts > > via NABS-L > > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 1:21 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list < > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > Cc: Angela Roberts > > > Subject: [nabs-l] How to do pre-algebra and algebra on the computer? > > > > Hello all, hope you're having a wonderful afternoon. > > I recently spoke to my math teacher from Hadley, Who informed me that > once I > > began the pre-algebra series and then move on to the algebra series, it > will > > be very difficult for me to do the math problems on the computer. > > I do not know Grade 2 Braille or the Braille code for Math. Does anybody > > have any suggestions on how to complete the pre-algebra and algebra > problems > > using the computer? I am partially sighted, so I use vision to help me as > > well as a screen reader. > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > NABS-L: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs.fldoe.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > NABS-L: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com > From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 19:07:00 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 12:07:00 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] How to do pre-algebra and algebra on the computer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Angela, Try the Accessible Equation Editor. There are tons of palettes of symbols you can use in case you can't type it on the computer keyboard. It will not do calculations, but you can use a calculator for that. That way, you could have a teacher check your work as you're doing it. If you need to email it, that's another issue. You could write it in a word doc and send it off1 or you could write it on the equation editor to get all the symbols down, then copy and paste it into a word doc or email, then send it. Hope that helps! Best, Cricket Bidleman On 7/20/16, Angela Roberts via NABS-L wrote: > I do not have that device. I do not know braille well enough to write math > problems. > > On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Wasif, Zunaira via NABS-L > wrote: > >> The Braille note touch allows you to write in nemyth code using a braille >> keyboard and translates it into the appropriate print. You can email your >> homework to the professor directly from the device. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org ] On Behalf >> Of Angela Roberts via NABS-L >> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 1:21 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > > >> Cc: Angela Roberts > >> Subject: [nabs-l] How to do pre-algebra and algebra on the computer? >> >> Hello all, hope you're having a wonderful afternoon. >> I recently spoke to my math teacher from Hadley, Who informed me that >> once >> I began the pre-algebra series and then move on to the algebra series, it >> will be very difficult for me to do the math problems on the computer. >> I do not know Grade 2 Braille or the Braille code for Math. Does anybody >> have any suggestions on how to complete the pre-algebra and algebra >> problems using the computer? I am partially sighted, so I use vision to >> help me as well as a screen reader. >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs.fldoe.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 19:12:53 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 12:12:53 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] How to do pre-algebra and algebra on the computer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Angela, The Accessible Equation Editor is free of charge! And it's online, no installation required. In case you didn't catch the last part of my email, you can just cut and paste stuff from the equation editor into a word doc and send it to your teacher. That way you will have all of the proper symbols etc. Or you can always just copy and paste your work into an email body and send it that way. Hope that helps! Best, Cricket Bidleman On 7/20/16, Angela Roberts via NABS-L wrote: > Do you know if the Pearson's equation editor is free to use? Also, how > would I then email my assignments to my teacher? > > On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L > > wrote: > >> Zunaira, >> >> Angela said she is a large print user, so a BrailleNote Touch or >> BrailleNote Apex would not necessarily be the solution. >> >> Best, >> Cricket Bidleman >> >> On 7/20/16, Wasif, Zunaira via NABS-L > >> wrote: >> > The Braille note touch allows you to write in nemyth code using a >> > braille >> > keyboard and translates it into the appropriate print. You can email >> > your >> > homework to the professor directly from the device. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org ] On >> Behalf Of Angela Roberts >> > via NABS-L >> > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 1:21 PM >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list < >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> > Cc: Angela Roberts > >> > Subject: [nabs-l] How to do pre-algebra and algebra on the computer? >> > >> > Hello all, hope you're having a wonderful afternoon. >> > I recently spoke to my math teacher from Hadley, Who informed me that >> once I >> > began the pre-algebra series and then move on to the algebra series, it >> will >> > be very difficult for me to do the math problems on the computer. >> > I do not know Grade 2 Braille or the Braille code for Math. Does >> > anybody >> > have any suggestions on how to complete the pre-algebra and algebra >> problems >> > using the computer? I am partially sighted, so I use vision to help me >> > as >> > well as a screen reader. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > NABS-L mailing list >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > NABS-L: >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs.fldoe.org >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > NABS-L mailing list >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > NABS-L: >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 19:16:01 2016 From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (Angela Roberts) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:16:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How to do pre-algebra and algebra on the computer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Does the software work with Jaws? On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Cricket Bidleman wrote: > Hi Angela, > > The Accessible Equation Editor is free of charge! And it's online, no > installation required. In case you didn't catch the last part of my > email, you can just cut and paste stuff from the equation editor into > a word doc and send it to your teacher. That way you will have all of > the proper symbols etc. Or you can always just copy and paste your > work into an email body and send it that way. Hope that helps! > > Best, > Cricket Bidleman > > On 7/20/16, Angela Roberts via NABS-L > > wrote: > > Do you know if the Pearson's equation editor is free to use? Also, how > > would I then email my assignments to my teacher? > > > > On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L > > > > > wrote: > > > >> Zunaira, > >> > >> Angela said she is a large print user, so a BrailleNote Touch or > >> BrailleNote Apex would not necessarily be the solution. > >> > >> Best, > >> Cricket Bidleman > >> > >> On 7/20/16, Wasif, Zunaira via NABS-L > > > >> wrote: > >> > The Braille note touch allows you to write in nemyth code using a > >> > braille > >> > keyboard and translates it into the appropriate print. You can email > >> > your > >> > homework to the professor directly from the device. > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > ] On > >> Behalf Of Angela Roberts > >> > via NABS-L > >> > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 1:21 PM > >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list < > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >> > Cc: Angela Roberts > > > >> > Subject: [nabs-l] How to do pre-algebra and algebra on the computer? > >> > > >> > Hello all, hope you're having a wonderful afternoon. > >> > I recently spoke to my math teacher from Hadley, Who informed me that > >> once I > >> > began the pre-algebra series and then move on to the algebra series, > it > >> will > >> > be very difficult for me to do the math problems on the computer. > >> > I do not know Grade 2 Braille or the Braille code for Math. Does > >> > anybody > >> > have any suggestions on how to complete the pre-algebra and algebra > >> problems > >> > using the computer? I am partially sighted, so I use vision to help me > >> > as > >> > well as a screen reader. > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > NABS-L mailing list > >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> > NABS-L: > >> > > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs.fldoe.org > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > NABS-L mailing list > >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> > NABS-L: > >> > > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NABS-L mailing list > >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> NABS-L: > >> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > NABS-L: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > > > From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 19:20:24 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 12:20:24 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] How to do pre-algebra and algebra on the computer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not yet. JAWS accessibility is being worked on as we speak. It works with NVDA though, and NVDA is a free program. As a JAWS user, I recommend getting NVDA because there are certain things that JAWS will not work for that NVDA will, and vice versa. I'll let you know when JAWS accessibility is complete. The Accessible Equation Editor has only been in existence for maybe a year. Maybe not even that. Of course, it was built on the Equation Editor, which has existed for a long while, but the guy who created both didn't even know about the screenreaders and Braille technology that blind people use until late 2014. Hope that helps! Best, Cricket Bidleman On 7/20/16, Angela Roberts wrote: > Does the software work with Jaws? > > On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Cricket Bidleman > wrote: > >> Hi Angela, >> >> The Accessible Equation Editor is free of charge! And it's online, no >> installation required. In case you didn't catch the last part of my >> email, you can just cut and paste stuff from the equation editor into >> a word doc and send it to your teacher. That way you will have all of >> the proper symbols etc. Or you can always just copy and paste your >> work into an email body and send it that way. Hope that helps! >> >> Best, >> Cricket Bidleman >> >> On 7/20/16, Angela Roberts via NABS-L > >> wrote: >> > Do you know if the Pearson's equation editor is free to use? Also, how >> > would I then email my assignments to my teacher? >> > >> > On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L >> > > >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Zunaira, >> >> >> >> Angela said she is a large print user, so a BrailleNote Touch or >> >> BrailleNote Apex would not necessarily be the solution. >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> Cricket Bidleman >> >> >> >> On 7/20/16, Wasif, Zunaira via NABS-L > >> >> > >> >> wrote: >> >> > The Braille note touch allows you to write in nemyth code using a >> >> > braille >> >> > keyboard and translates it into the appropriate print. You can email >> >> > your >> >> > homework to the professor directly from the device. >> >> > >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> >> > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> ] On >> >> Behalf Of Angela Roberts >> >> > via NABS-L >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 1:21 PM >> >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list < >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> >> > Cc: Angela Roberts >> > >> >> > Subject: [nabs-l] How to do pre-algebra and algebra on the computer? >> >> > >> >> > Hello all, hope you're having a wonderful afternoon. >> >> > I recently spoke to my math teacher from Hadley, Who informed me >> >> > that >> >> once I >> >> > began the pre-algebra series and then move on to the algebra series, >> it >> >> will >> >> > be very difficult for me to do the math problems on the computer. >> >> > I do not know Grade 2 Braille or the Braille code for Math. Does >> >> > anybody >> >> > have any suggestions on how to complete the pre-algebra and algebra >> >> problems >> >> > using the computer? I am partially sighted, so I use vision to help >> >> > me >> >> > as >> >> > well as a screen reader. >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > NABS-L mailing list >> >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >> > for >> >> > NABS-L: >> >> > >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs.fldoe.org >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > NABS-L mailing list >> >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >> > for >> >> > NABS-L: >> >> > >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com >> >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> NABS-L mailing list >> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> NABS-L: >> >> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > NABS-L mailing list >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > NABS-L: >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com >> > >> > From bjduarte at asu.edu Wed Jul 20 19:22:59 2016 From: bjduarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 12:22:59 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing the 2016-17 NABS list moderators In-Reply-To: References: <02ec01d1e2a5$5b97eee0$12c7cca0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <61C0FDF6-694C-49D9-A563-919D10BFB1E9@asu.edu> Hello NABS list, I am looking forward to serving on the NABS board this year and being a part of the list discussions. I personally have found the NABS list to be a very insightful and resourceful place to gather information. As you can all see our list is always busy with awesome topics and amazing information for students so lets continue to encourage positive communication and limit negative feedback. If we can all keep in mind that we all come from different backgrounds and have different ways of doing things it will allow us to share our experiences without making anyone feel like their question or answer was not helpful. We are all here as peers who want to share our knowledge and experiences but we should approach every post on this public forum with respect and kindness. In case you are not aware there are some posting guidelines and rules that will be enforced. Every month they will be posted for new members and so we can all be on the same page if a thread should be removed or topic discontinued. Thank you all for your participation in the NABS list and I look forward to interacting with you all this year. Bryan Duarte software engineer ASU Computer Science Ph.D candidate QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/ “let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.” -- St. Teresa of Avila > On Jul 20, 2016, at 11:15 AM, Shannon Cantan via NABS-L wrote: > > Greetings all, > And thank you Madam President for the introduction. > I am honored to be here. Please do not hesitate to reach out to me about any issues, concerns, or general questions. > Now, let's continue to have lively, informative, and respectful discussions. > > > >> On Jul 20, 2016, at 6:39 AM, NABS President via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Dear NABS, >> >> >> >> I am pleased to announce our 2016-17 National Association of >> Blind Students list moderators for the upcoming calendar year. >> >> >> >> Bryan Duarte, NABS Board member, bjduarte at asu.edu >> >> Chris Nusbaum, NABS Board Member, dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com >> >> Chelsea Peahl, President, Utah Association of Blind Students, >> chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com >> >> Shannon Cantan, President, Hawaii Association of Blind Students, >> Shannon.cantan at gmail.com >> >> >> >> I have appointed these four individuals with the sole purpose of monitoring >> the NABS-l discussion list. Since we are a high-trafficked listserv, I've >> decided to continue the trend of having fabulous leaders step up to ensure >> that our list is productive, effective, inclusive, and welcoming to all. >> Please keep in mind that these four students, as well as members of the NABS >> Board, may discontinue a conversation thread. There is not any malicious >> intent behind such halting, rather a way to avoid conflict on topics that >> should not be discussed in this open forum. Furthermore, one of our >> moderators will be sending monthly reminders of the NABS list guidelines. >> This has been done in the past by Arielle Silverman, and we are so gracious >> for her efforts throughout the past two years. >> >> >> >> Please feel free to email any of the list moderators if you are hesitant >> about a topic starter, or simply want input on a discussion before bringing >> it up. Do not feel that this is necessary by any means, but it is an option >> when contemplating the birth of a controversial thread. >> >> >> >> Thank you in advance for contributions to the list, and please let us know >> if there is anything we can do to improve your experience on our listserv. >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> Kathryn Webster >> >> President | National Association of Blind Students >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/shannon.cantan%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bjduarte%40asu.edu From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 19:26:39 2016 From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (Angela Roberts) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:26:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How to do pre-algebra and algebra on the computer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi have NVDA On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Cricket Bidleman wrote: > Not yet. JAWS accessibility is being worked on as we speak. It works > with NVDA though, and NVDA is a free program. As a JAWS user, I > recommend getting NVDA because there are certain things that JAWS will > not work for that NVDA will, and vice versa. I'll let you know when > JAWS accessibility is complete. The Accessible Equation Editor has > only been in existence for maybe a year. Maybe not even that. Of > course, it was built on the Equation Editor, which has existed for a > long while, but the guy who created both didn't even know about the > screenreaders and Braille technology that blind people use until late > 2014. Hope that helps! > > Best, > Cricket Bidleman > > On 7/20/16, Angela Roberts > > wrote: > > Does the software work with Jaws? > > > > On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Cricket Bidleman > > > wrote: > > > >> Hi Angela, > >> > >> The Accessible Equation Editor is free of charge! And it's online, no > >> installation required. In case you didn't catch the last part of my > >> email, you can just cut and paste stuff from the equation editor into > >> a word doc and send it to your teacher. That way you will have all of > >> the proper symbols etc. Or you can always just copy and paste your > >> work into an email body and send it that way. Hope that helps! > >> > >> Best, > >> Cricket Bidleman > >> > >> On 7/20/16, Angela Roberts via NABS-L > > > >> wrote: > >> > Do you know if the Pearson's equation editor is free to use? Also, how > >> > would I then email my assignments to my teacher? > >> > > >> > On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L > >> > > > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> Zunaira, > >> >> > >> >> Angela said she is a large print user, so a BrailleNote Touch or > >> >> BrailleNote Apex would not necessarily be the solution. > >> >> > >> >> Best, > >> >> Cricket Bidleman > >> >> > >> >> On 7/20/16, Wasif, Zunaira via NABS-L > >> >> > >> > > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > The Braille note touch allows you to write in nemyth code using a > >> >> > braille > >> >> > keyboard and translates it into the appropriate print. You can > email > >> >> > your > >> >> > homework to the professor directly from the device. > >> >> > > >> >> > -----Original Message----- > >> >> > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > > >> ] On > >> >> Behalf Of Angela Roberts > >> >> > via NABS-L > >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 1:21 PM > >> >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list < > >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >> >> > Cc: Angela Roberts > > >> > > >> >> > Subject: [nabs-l] How to do pre-algebra and algebra on the > computer? > >> >> > > >> >> > Hello all, hope you're having a wonderful afternoon. > >> >> > I recently spoke to my math teacher from Hadley, Who informed me > >> >> > that > >> >> once I > >> >> > began the pre-algebra series and then move on to the algebra > series, > >> it > >> >> will > >> >> > be very difficult for me to do the math problems on the computer. > >> >> > I do not know Grade 2 Braille or the Braille code for Math. Does > >> >> > anybody > >> >> > have any suggestions on how to complete the pre-algebra and algebra > >> >> problems > >> >> > using the computer? I am partially sighted, so I use vision to help > >> >> > me > >> >> > as > >> >> > well as a screen reader. > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > NABS-L mailing list > >> >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >> >> > for > >> >> > NABS-L: > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs.fldoe.org > >> >> > > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > NABS-L mailing list > >> >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >> >> > for > >> >> > NABS-L: > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> NABS-L mailing list > >> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> >> NABS-L: > >> >> > >> >> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com > >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > NABS-L mailing list > >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> > NABS-L: > >> > > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > >> > > >> > > > From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 19:27:45 2016 From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (Angela Roberts) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:27:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How to do pre-algebra and algebra on the computer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Do you know if you're able to find the numbers up vertically? Also, can you write fractions vertically? On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Angela Roberts wrote: > Hi have NVDA > > On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Cricket Bidleman > wrote: > >> Not yet. JAWS accessibility is being worked on as we speak. It works >> with NVDA though, and NVDA is a free program. As a JAWS user, I >> recommend getting NVDA because there are certain things that JAWS will >> not work for that NVDA will, and vice versa. I'll let you know when >> JAWS accessibility is complete. The Accessible Equation Editor has >> only been in existence for maybe a year. Maybe not even that. Of >> course, it was built on the Equation Editor, which has existed for a >> long while, but the guy who created both didn't even know about the >> screenreaders and Braille technology that blind people use until late >> 2014. Hope that helps! >> >> Best, >> Cricket Bidleman >> >> On 7/20/16, Angela Roberts wrote: >> > Does the software work with Jaws? >> > >> > On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Cricket Bidleman < >> cricketbidleman at gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Hi Angela, >> >> >> >> The Accessible Equation Editor is free of charge! And it's online, no >> >> installation required. In case you didn't catch the last part of my >> >> email, you can just cut and paste stuff from the equation editor into >> >> a word doc and send it to your teacher. That way you will have all of >> >> the proper symbols etc. Or you can always just copy and paste your >> >> work into an email body and send it that way. Hope that helps! >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> Cricket Bidleman >> >> >> >> On 7/20/16, Angela Roberts via NABS-L > > >> >> wrote: >> >> > Do you know if the Pearson's equation editor is free to use? Also, >> how >> >> > would I then email my assignments to my teacher? >> >> > >> >> > On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L >> >> > > >> >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Zunaira, >> >> >> >> >> >> Angela said she is a large print user, so a BrailleNote Touch or >> >> >> BrailleNote Apex would not necessarily be the solution. >> >> >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> >> Cricket Bidleman >> >> >> >> >> >> On 7/20/16, Wasif, Zunaira via NABS-L > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > The Braille note touch allows you to write in nemyth code using a >> >> >> > braille >> >> >> > keyboard and translates it into the appropriate print. You can >> email >> >> >> > your >> >> >> > homework to the professor directly from the device. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> >> >> > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> >> ] On >> >> >> Behalf Of Angela Roberts >> >> >> > via NABS-L >> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 1:21 PM >> >> >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list < >> >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> >> >> > Cc: Angela Roberts >> >> > >> >> >> > Subject: [nabs-l] How to do pre-algebra and algebra on the >> computer? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Hello all, hope you're having a wonderful afternoon. >> >> >> > I recently spoke to my math teacher from Hadley, Who informed me >> >> >> > that >> >> >> once I >> >> >> > began the pre-algebra series and then move on to the algebra >> series, >> >> it >> >> >> will >> >> >> > be very difficult for me to do the math problems on the computer. >> >> >> > I do not know Grade 2 Braille or the Braille code for Math. Does >> >> >> > anybody >> >> >> > have any suggestions on how to complete the pre-algebra and >> algebra >> >> >> problems >> >> >> > using the computer? I am partially sighted, so I use vision to >> help >> >> >> > me >> >> >> > as >> >> >> > well as a screen reader. >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> >> > NABS-L mailing list >> >> >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >> >> > for >> >> >> > NABS-L: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs.fldoe.org >> >> >> > >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> >> > NABS-L mailing list >> >> >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >> >> > for >> >> >> > NABS-L: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> NABS-L mailing list >> >> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> >> >> NABS-L: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > NABS-L mailing list >> >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> > NABS-L: >> >> > >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 19:31:06 2016 From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (Angela Roberts) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:31:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How to do pre-algebra and algebra on the computer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Line up the numbers. Stupid Siri On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Angela Roberts wrote: > Do you know if you're able to find the numbers up vertically? Also, can > you write fractions vertically? > > On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Angela Roberts > wrote: > >> Hi have NVDA >> >> On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Cricket Bidleman >> wrote: >> >>> Not yet. JAWS accessibility is being worked on as we speak. It works >>> with NVDA though, and NVDA is a free program. As a JAWS user, I >>> recommend getting NVDA because there are certain things that JAWS will >>> not work for that NVDA will, and vice versa. I'll let you know when >>> JAWS accessibility is complete. The Accessible Equation Editor has >>> only been in existence for maybe a year. Maybe not even that. Of >>> course, it was built on the Equation Editor, which has existed for a >>> long while, but the guy who created both didn't even know about the >>> screenreaders and Braille technology that blind people use until late >>> 2014. Hope that helps! >>> >>> Best, >>> Cricket Bidleman >>> >>> On 7/20/16, Angela Roberts wrote: >>> > Does the software work with Jaws? >>> > >>> > On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Cricket Bidleman < >>> cricketbidleman at gmail.com> >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> >> Hi Angela, >>> >> >>> >> The Accessible Equation Editor is free of charge! And it's online, no >>> >> installation required. In case you didn't catch the last part of my >>> >> email, you can just cut and paste stuff from the equation editor into >>> >> a word doc and send it to your teacher. That way you will have all of >>> >> the proper symbols etc. Or you can always just copy and paste your >>> >> work into an email body and send it that way. Hope that helps! >>> >> >>> >> Best, >>> >> Cricket Bidleman >>> >> >>> >> On 7/20/16, Angela Roberts via NABS-L >> > >>> >> wrote: >>> >> > Do you know if the Pearson's equation editor is free to use? Also, >>> how >>> >> > would I then email my assignments to my teacher? >>> >> > >>> >> > On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L >>> >> > > >>> >> > wrote: >>> >> > >>> >> >> Zunaira, >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Angela said she is a large print user, so a BrailleNote Touch or >>> >> >> BrailleNote Apex would not necessarily be the solution. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Best, >>> >> >> Cricket Bidleman >>> >> >> >>> >> >> On 7/20/16, Wasif, Zunaira via NABS-L >> >> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >> wrote: >>> >> >> > The Braille note touch allows you to write in nemyth code using a >>> >> >> > braille >>> >> >> > keyboard and translates it into the appropriate print. You can >>> email >>> >> >> > your >>> >> >> > homework to the professor directly from the device. >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >>> >> >> > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> >> ] On >>> >> >> Behalf Of Angela Roberts >>> >> >> > via NABS-L >>> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 1:21 PM >>> >> >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list < >>> >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> >> >> > Cc: Angela Roberts >>> >> > >>> >> >> > Subject: [nabs-l] How to do pre-algebra and algebra on the >>> computer? >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > Hello all, hope you're having a wonderful afternoon. >>> >> >> > I recently spoke to my math teacher from Hadley, Who informed me >>> >> >> > that >>> >> >> once I >>> >> >> > began the pre-algebra series and then move on to the algebra >>> series, >>> >> it >>> >> >> will >>> >> >> > be very difficult for me to do the math problems on the computer. >>> >> >> > I do not know Grade 2 Braille or the Braille code for Math. Does >>> >> >> > anybody >>> >> >> > have any suggestions on how to complete the pre-algebra and >>> algebra >>> >> >> problems >>> >> >> > using the computer? I am partially sighted, so I use vision to >>> help >>> >> >> > me >>> >> >> > as >>> >> >> > well as a screen reader. >>> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >>> >> >> > NABS-L mailing list >>> >> >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> >> >> > for >>> >> >> > NABS-L: >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> >>> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs.fldoe.org >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >>> >> >> > NABS-L mailing list >>> >> >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> >> >> > for >>> >> >> > NABS-L: >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> >>> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >> NABS-L mailing list >>> >> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> >> >> NABS-L: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ >>> >> > NABS-L mailing list >>> >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> >> > NABS-L: >>> >> > >>> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com >>> >> > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 19:34:29 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 12:34:29 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] How to do pre-algebra and algebra on the computer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, you should be able to. I'll clll my Pearson contact to confirm ... Oh wait, I'll have to email. He's at the AER International conference today. May be a few hours before I can get confirmation on that. Sorry. Actually, may not be that long. Let's see how urgent I can make an email sound ... On 7/20/16, Angela Roberts wrote: > Line up the numbers. Stupid Siri > > On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Angela Roberts > wrote: > >> Do you know if you're able to find the numbers up vertically? Also, can >> you write fractions vertically? >> >> On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Angela Roberts > > wrote: >> >>> Hi have NVDA >>> >>> On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Cricket Bidleman >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Not yet. JAWS accessibility is being worked on as we speak. It works >>>> with NVDA though, and NVDA is a free program. As a JAWS user, I >>>> recommend getting NVDA because there are certain things that JAWS will >>>> not work for that NVDA will, and vice versa. I'll let you know when >>>> JAWS accessibility is complete. The Accessible Equation Editor has >>>> only been in existence for maybe a year. Maybe not even that. Of >>>> course, it was built on the Equation Editor, which has existed for a >>>> long while, but the guy who created both didn't even know about the >>>> screenreaders and Braille technology that blind people use until late >>>> 2014. Hope that helps! >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Cricket Bidleman >>>> >>>> On 7/20/16, Angela Roberts wrote: >>>> > Does the software work with Jaws? >>>> > >>>> > On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Cricket Bidleman < >>>> cricketbidleman at gmail.com> >>>> > wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> Hi Angela, >>>> >> >>>> >> The Accessible Equation Editor is free of charge! And it's online, >>>> >> no >>>> >> installation required. In case you didn't catch the last part of my >>>> >> email, you can just cut and paste stuff from the equation editor >>>> >> into >>>> >> a word doc and send it to your teacher. That way you will have all >>>> >> of >>>> >> the proper symbols etc. Or you can always just copy and paste your >>>> >> work into an email body and send it that way. Hope that helps! >>>> >> >>>> >> Best, >>>> >> Cricket Bidleman >>>> >> >>>> >> On 7/20/16, Angela Roberts via NABS-L >>> > >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> > Do you know if the Pearson's equation editor is free to use? Also, >>>> how >>>> >> > would I then email my assignments to my teacher? >>>> >> > >>>> >> > On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > wrote: >>>> >> > >>>> >> >> Zunaira, >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Angela said she is a large print user, so a BrailleNote Touch or >>>> >> >> BrailleNote Apex would not necessarily be the solution. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Best, >>>> >> >> Cricket Bidleman >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> On 7/20/16, Wasif, Zunaira via NABS-L >>> >> >> >>>> >> > >>>> >> >> wrote: >>>> >> >> > The Braille note touch allows you to write in nemyth code using >>>> >> >> > a >>>> >> >> > braille >>>> >> >> > keyboard and translates it into the appropriate print. You can >>>> email >>>> >> >> > your >>>> >> >> > homework to the professor directly from the device. >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >>>> >> >> > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>> >> ] On >>>> >> >> Behalf Of Angela Roberts >>>> >> >> > via NABS-L >>>> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 1:21 PM >>>> >> >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list < >>>> >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> >> >> > Cc: Angela Roberts >>>> >> > >>>> >> >> > Subject: [nabs-l] How to do pre-algebra and algebra on the >>>> computer? >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > Hello all, hope you're having a wonderful afternoon. >>>> >> >> > I recently spoke to my math teacher from Hadley, Who informed >>>> >> >> > me >>>> >> >> > that >>>> >> >> once I >>>> >> >> > began the pre-algebra series and then move on to the algebra >>>> series, >>>> >> it >>>> >> >> will >>>> >> >> > be very difficult for me to do the math problems on the >>>> >> >> > computer. >>>> >> >> > I do not know Grade 2 Braille or the Braille code for Math. >>>> >> >> > Does >>>> >> >> > anybody >>>> >> >> > have any suggestions on how to complete the pre-algebra and >>>> algebra >>>> >> >> problems >>>> >> >> > using the computer? I am partially sighted, so I use vision to >>>> help >>>> >> >> > me >>>> >> >> > as >>>> >> >> > well as a screen reader. >>>> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >>>> >> >> > NABS-L mailing list >>>> >> >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> >> >> > info >>>> >> >> > for >>>> >> >> > NABS-L: >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs.fldoe.org >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >>>> >> >> > NABS-L mailing list >>>> >> >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> >> >> > info >>>> >> >> > for >>>> >> >> > NABS-L: >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> >> NABS-L mailing list >>>> >> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> >> >> NABS-L: >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > _______________________________________________ >>>> >> > NABS-L mailing list >>>> >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> >> > NABS-L: >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> >>> > From taylorarndt99 at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 20:02:53 2016 From: taylorarndt99 at gmail.com (Taylor Arndt) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 16:02:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] How to do pre-algebra and algebra on the computer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <990EBEE4-E0D2-48F1-9CB4-C45C84E4D9E9@gmail.com> What equation editor is this Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 20, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: > > Angela, > > Try the Accessible Equation Editor. There are tons of palettes of > symbols you can use in case you can't type it on the computer > keyboard. It will not do calculations, but you can use a calculator > for that. That way, you could have a teacher check your work as you're > doing it. If you need to email it, that's another issue. You could > write it in a word doc and send it off1 or you could write it on the > equation editor to get all the symbols down, then copy and paste it > into a word doc or email, then send it. Hope that helps! > > Best, > Cricket Bidleman > >> On 7/20/16, Angela Roberts via NABS-L wrote: >> I do not have that device. I do not know braille well enough to write math >> problems. >> >> On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Wasif, Zunaira via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >>> The Braille note touch allows you to write in nemyth code using a braille >>> keyboard and translates it into the appropriate print. You can email your >>> homework to the professor directly from the device. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org ] On Behalf >>> Of Angela Roberts via NABS-L >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 1:21 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> > >>> Cc: Angela Roberts > >>> Subject: [nabs-l] How to do pre-algebra and algebra on the computer? >>> >>> Hello all, hope you're having a wonderful afternoon. >>> I recently spoke to my math teacher from Hadley, Who informed me that >>> once >>> I began the pre-algebra series and then move on to the algebra series, it >>> will be very difficult for me to do the math problems on the computer. >>> I do not know Grade 2 Braille or the Braille code for Math. Does anybody >>> have any suggestions on how to complete the pre-algebra and algebra >>> problems using the computer? I am partially sighted, so I use vision to >>> help me as well as a screen reader. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs.fldoe.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/taylorarndt99%40gmail.com From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 20:04:53 2016 From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (Angela Roberts) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 15:04:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How to do pre-algebra and algebra on the computer? In-Reply-To: <990EBEE4-E0D2-48F1-9CB4-C45C84E4D9E9@gmail.com> References: <990EBEE4-E0D2-48F1-9CB4-C45C84E4D9E9@gmail.com> Message-ID: It's the Pearson equation editor. On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L wrote: > What equation editor is this > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 20, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L < > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > wrote: > > > > Angela, > > > > Try the Accessible Equation Editor. There are tons of palettes of > > symbols you can use in case you can't type it on the computer > > keyboard. It will not do calculations, but you can use a calculator > > for that. That way, you could have a teacher check your work as you're > > doing it. If you need to email it, that's another issue. You could > > write it in a word doc and send it off1 or you could write it on the > > equation editor to get all the symbols down, then copy and paste it > > into a word doc or email, then send it. Hope that helps! > > > > Best, > > Cricket Bidleman > > > >> On 7/20/16, Angela Roberts via NABS-L > > wrote: > >> I do not have that device. I do not know braille well enough to write > math > >> problems. > >> > >> On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Wasif, Zunaira via NABS-L < > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >> wrote: > >> > >>> The Braille note touch allows you to write in nemyth code using a > braille > >>> keyboard and translates it into the appropriate print. You can email > your > >>> homework to the professor directly from the device. > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > ] On Behalf > >>> Of Angela Roberts via NABS-L > >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 1:21 PM > >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>> > >>> > > >>> Cc: Angela Roberts > > > >>> Subject: [nabs-l] How to do pre-algebra and algebra on the computer? > >>> > >>> Hello all, hope you're having a wonderful afternoon. > >>> I recently spoke to my math teacher from Hadley, Who informed me that > >>> once > >>> I began the pre-algebra series and then move on to the algebra series, > it > >>> will be very difficult for me to do the math problems on the computer. > >>> I do not know Grade 2 Braille or the Braille code for Math. Does > anybody > >>> have any suggestions on how to complete the pre-algebra and algebra > >>> problems using the computer? I am partially sighted, so I use vision to > >>> help me as well as a screen reader. > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> NABS-L mailing list > >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> NABS-L: > >>> > >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs.fldoe.org > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> NABS-L mailing list > >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> NABS-L: > >>> > >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NABS-L mailing list > >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> NABS-L: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/taylorarndt99%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com > From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 20:20:26 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 13:20:26 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] How to do pre-algebra and algebra on the computer? In-Reply-To: References: <990EBEE4-E0D2-48F1-9CB4-C45C84E4D9E9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Right. It appears I am not adequately equipped to answer your questions. I contacted Sam Dooley, who is responsible for innovating the equation editor. He said that anyone can feel free to contact him with questions. Please be courteous. His email is sam.dooley at pearson.com if you have questions. Thanks! Apologies for the misleading info. Best, Cricket Bidleman Best, Cricket Bidleman On 7/20/16, Angela Roberts via NABS-L wrote: > It's the Pearson equation editor. > > On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L > wrote: > >> What equation editor is this >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jul 20, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L < >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > wrote: >> > >> > Angela, >> > >> > Try the Accessible Equation Editor. There are tons of palettes of >> > symbols you can use in case you can't type it on the computer >> > keyboard. It will not do calculations, but you can use a calculator >> > for that. That way, you could have a teacher check your work as you're >> > doing it. If you need to email it, that's another issue. You could >> > write it in a word doc and send it off1 or you could write it on the >> > equation editor to get all the symbols down, then copy and paste it >> > into a word doc or email, then send it. Hope that helps! >> > >> > Best, >> > Cricket Bidleman >> > >> >> On 7/20/16, Angela Roberts via NABS-L > >> > >> wrote: >> >> I do not have that device. I do not know braille well enough to write >> math >> >> problems. >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Wasif, Zunaira via NABS-L < >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> The Braille note touch allows you to write in nemyth code using a >> braille >> >>> keyboard and translates it into the appropriate print. You can email >> your >> >>> homework to the professor directly from the device. >> >>> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> ] On Behalf >> >>> Of Angela Roberts via NABS-L >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 1:21 PM >> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >>> >> >>> > >> >>> Cc: Angela Roberts >> > >> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] How to do pre-algebra and algebra on the computer? >> >>> >> >>> Hello all, hope you're having a wonderful afternoon. >> >>> I recently spoke to my math teacher from Hadley, Who informed me that >> >>> once >> >>> I began the pre-algebra series and then move on to the algebra >> >>> series, >> it >> >>> will be very difficult for me to do the math problems on the >> >>> computer. >> >>> I do not know Grade 2 Braille or the Braille code for Math. Does >> anybody >> >>> have any suggestions on how to complete the pre-algebra and algebra >> >>> problems using the computer? I am partially sighted, so I use vision >> >>> to >> >>> help me as well as a screen reader. >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> NABS-L mailing list >> >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>> NABS-L: >> >>> >> >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs.fldoe.org >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> NABS-L mailing list >> >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>> NABS-L: >> >>> >> >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> NABS-L mailing list >> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> NABS-L: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > NABS-L mailing list >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/taylorarndt99%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 21:04:23 2016 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 17:04:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Time Management In-Reply-To: <578f9516.834b810a.977ad.4ebe@mx.google.com> References: <578f9516.834b810a.977ad.4ebe@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Amen to all that has been said about the great pointers! I found new ideas in it that I can try out; it's never too late to work on time management skill improvement. One thing I do that helps me is take some time in the beginning of the semester to organize all my due dates and assignment information from my syllabi into a master file. I've tried a few different formats including excel spreadsheets and tables in word, but since it's just me seeing this stuff I've found using a list format is the least tedious. For example, part of the file might look like this: Week 3: History. Extra credit assignment due on M 9-20. Exam on W 9-22. Read chapters 3 and 4 for class on F 9-24. English. Submit paper topic proposal via email before class on T 9-21. Stats. Hw 7 due on T 9-21. Hw 8 due on R 9-23. Practicum: Documentation due by 5:00 PM on F 9-24. Misc: Start finding research materials for the English Paper once topic is approved. Don't forget to go to office hours for stats on Thursday before the quiz. Study session with Sam from history on Tuesday night at 7:00-bring the study guide to discuss/fill in missing answers. The process of creating this master list for the semester is admittedly tedious, but it becomes a great way to keep track of things once it is done. It also forces you to take a glance at what your entire semester has in store for you, which can be helpful (if I have a big project due at some point and can be aware of it ahead of time, great). Since everything is organized by week it is also very easy to delete old material once the week is done and all assignments are submitted. Just be sure to copy over any long-term assignment memos before doing this if you use this format. It's basically just writing out a to-do list all at once and making small changes as they come up rather than making the list from scratch as you go. Ditto on the importance of self-care. I think the trap a lot of college students fall into as well is trying to balance academics, a social life, and their own well-being, and I know I'm not always the greatest at this either. It's important to remember to take time for *you* and not bog yourself down with a bunch of extra clubs. Clubs are great, and participation in groups is a healthy thing, but not extending yourself and having some time to focus on yourself away from other people is also important. Find time to read a book, practice an instrument you might play, go to the gym-whatever. Everyone needs time to recharge their batteries, and I'm saying this as an extrovert who has had to learn from experience that even if you love being around people you need some time to yourself. On 7/20/16, roanna bacchus via NABS-L wrote: > Hi Arielle thanks for your message. I agree that time management > is an important skill for succeeding in college. Last semester I > found that it was helpful to create a calendar so I knew when > things were due. I also set reminders two days before an > assignment was due. As far as managing time at work, I find it > helpful to take breaks regularly. > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti Shelton From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 22:26:57 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 18:26:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] How to do pre-algebra and algebra on the computer? In-Reply-To: References: <990EBEE4-E0D2-48F1-9CB4-C45C84E4D9E9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <023101d1e2d5$d4466670$7cd33350$@gmail.com> Can you not use excel? Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 4:20 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Cricket Bidleman Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How to do pre-algebra and algebra on the computer? Right. It appears I am not adequately equipped to answer your questions. I contacted Sam Dooley, who is responsible for innovating the equation editor. He said that anyone can feel free to contact him with questions. Please be courteous. His email is sam.dooley at pearson.com if you have questions. Thanks! Apologies for the misleading info. Best, Cricket Bidleman Best, Cricket Bidleman On 7/20/16, Angela Roberts via NABS-L wrote: > It's the Pearson equation editor. > > On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L > > wrote: > >> What equation editor is this >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jul 20, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L < >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > wrote: >> > >> > Angela, >> > >> > Try the Accessible Equation Editor. There are tons of palettes of >> > symbols you can use in case you can't type it on the computer >> > keyboard. It will not do calculations, but you can use a calculator >> > for that. That way, you could have a teacher check your work as >> > you're doing it. If you need to email it, that's another issue. You >> > could write it in a word doc and send it off1 or you could write it >> > on the equation editor to get all the symbols down, then copy and >> > paste it into a word doc or email, then send it. Hope that helps! >> > >> > Best, >> > Cricket Bidleman >> > >> >> On 7/20/16, Angela Roberts via NABS-L > >> > >> wrote: >> >> I do not have that device. I do not know braille well enough to >> >> write >> math >> >> problems. >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Wasif, Zunaira via NABS-L < >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> The Braille note touch allows you to write in nemyth code using a >> braille >> >>> keyboard and translates it into the appropriate print. You can >> >>> email >> your >> >>> homework to the professor directly from the device. >> >>> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> ] On Behalf >> >>> Of Angela Roberts via NABS-L >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 1:21 PM >> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >>> > >> >>> Cc: Angela Roberts >> > >> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] How to do pre-algebra and algebra on the computer? >> >>> >> >>> Hello all, hope you're having a wonderful afternoon. >> >>> I recently spoke to my math teacher from Hadley, Who informed me >> >>> that once I began the pre-algebra series and then move on to the >> >>> algebra series, >> it >> >>> will be very difficult for me to do the math problems on the >> >>> computer. >> >>> I do not know Grade 2 Braille or the Braille code for Math. Does >> anybody >> >>> have any suggestions on how to complete the pre-algebra and >> >>> algebra problems using the computer? I am partially sighted, so I >> >>> use vision to help me as well as a screen reader. >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> NABS-L mailing list >> >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >>> for >> >>> NABS-L: >> >>> >> >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40d >> bs.fldoe.org >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> NABS-L mailing list >> >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >>> for >> >>> NABS-L: >> >>> >> >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts1088 >> 6%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> NABS-L mailing list >> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >> for >> >> NABS-L: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%4 >> 0gmail.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > NABS-L mailing list >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> > for >> NABS-L: >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/taylorarndt99%40g >> mail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts1088 >> 6%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40 > gmail.com > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 22:28:57 2016 From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (Angela Roberts) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 17:28:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How to do pre-algebra and algebra on the computer? In-Reply-To: References: <990EBEE4-E0D2-48F1-9CB4-C45C84E4D9E9@gmail.com> Message-ID: That's okay, I understand. On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Cricket Bidleman wrote: > Right. It appears I am not adequately equipped to answer your > questions. I contacted Sam Dooley, who is responsible for innovating > the equation editor. He said that anyone can feel free to contact him > with questions. Please be courteous. His email is > sam.dooley at pearson.com if you have questions. Thanks! > Apologies for > the misleading info. > > Best, > Cricket Bidleman > > Best, > Cricket Bidleman > > On 7/20/16, Angela Roberts via NABS-L > > wrote: > > It's the Pearson equation editor. > > > > On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L > > > wrote: > > > >> What equation editor is this > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> > On Jul 20, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L < > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > wrote: > >> > > >> > Angela, > >> > > >> > Try the Accessible Equation Editor. There are tons of palettes of > >> > symbols you can use in case you can't type it on the computer > >> > keyboard. It will not do calculations, but you can use a calculator > >> > for that. That way, you could have a teacher check your work as you're > >> > doing it. If you need to email it, that's another issue. You could > >> > write it in a word doc and send it off1 or you could write it on the > >> > equation editor to get all the symbols down, then copy and paste it > >> > into a word doc or email, then send it. Hope that helps! > >> > > >> > Best, > >> > Cricket Bidleman > >> > > >> >> On 7/20/16, Angela Roberts via NABS-L > >> >> > > >> wrote: > >> >> I do not have that device. I do not know braille well enough to write > >> math > >> >> problems. > >> >> > >> >> On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Wasif, Zunaira via NABS-L < > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> The Braille note touch allows you to write in nemyth code using a > >> braille > >> >>> keyboard and translates it into the appropriate print. You can email > >> your > >> >>> homework to the professor directly from the device. > >> >>> > >> >>> -----Original Message----- > >> >>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > > >> ] On Behalf > >> >>> Of Angela Roberts via NABS-L > >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 1:21 PM > >> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >> >>> > >> >>> > > >> >>> Cc: Angela Roberts > > >> > > >> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] How to do pre-algebra and algebra on the computer? > >> >>> > >> >>> Hello all, hope you're having a wonderful afternoon. > >> >>> I recently spoke to my math teacher from Hadley, Who informed me > that > >> >>> once > >> >>> I began the pre-algebra series and then move on to the algebra > >> >>> series, > >> it > >> >>> will be very difficult for me to do the math problems on the > >> >>> computer. > >> >>> I do not know Grade 2 Braille or the Braille code for Math. Does > >> anybody > >> >>> have any suggestions on how to complete the pre-algebra and algebra > >> >>> problems using the computer? I am partially sighted, so I use vision > >> >>> to > >> >>> help me as well as a screen reader. > >> >>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>> NABS-L mailing list > >> >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > >> >>> NABS-L: > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs.fldoe.org > >> >>> > >> >>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>> NABS-L mailing list > >> >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > >> >>> NABS-L: > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> NABS-L mailing list > >> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> >> NABS-L: > >> >> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > NABS-L mailing list > >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> NABS-L: > >> > > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/taylorarndt99%40gmail.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NABS-L mailing list > >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> NABS-L: > >> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > NABS-L: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > > > From carlymih at comcast.net Wed Jul 20 22:32:03 2016 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 15:32:03 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] The Importance Of Independent Travel In-Reply-To: References: <20140828114632925@spamfilter-2.visi.com> Message-ID: Exactly.At 04:02 PM 8/28/2014, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l wrote: >Yes. And I have to ask, Would we call somebody "super-sightie" because >they go places completely on their own, by car or on foot? I suspect >not, so then why is a blind person who does the same thing >"super-blind?" Why do we hold blindpeople to a different standard of >independence than the sighted? > >Arielle > >On 8/28/14, Steve Jacobson via nabs-l wrote: > > Carly, > > > > As a blind person, I am aware and even concerned with how my actions might > > affect other blind people, and > > therefore do my best not to use help I don't need. Having said that, my > > primary reasons for trying to travel as > > independently as possible have little to do with proving anything > to anyone. > > I wil readily admit that if someone > > more or less forces me to be assisted to do something for which I do not > > need assistance, I do feel moved to show > > them that the assistance was not required if the opportunity arises. For > > example, if someone insists I take an > > elevator instead of the steps when the stairs are more convenient, I will > > probably push to take the steps since I > > know they won't be a problem. I probably wouldn't do that with a heavy > > suitcase, though, but I might take an > > escalator. I wouldn't do either, though, if I didn't feel confident that I > > could do it. .To the greatest degree > > possible, I want to be in control of my own destiny. I can't always have > > the control I want, but I work hard to > > have as much as is possible. > > > > Years ago I went to the airport to fly to Washington DC. When I got to the > > counter and received my gate > > information, I asked for directions to the gate. When the person > behind the > > counter acted confused, I asked if he > > would just tell me which direction to go from the counter. I was told they > > would get me an electric cart and that > > I should wait. I was a little new to airport travel at that time but I > > asked again for directions noting that I > > did not need an electric cart. To make this long story shorter, the person > > would not give me directions and > > refused to help me in any way except to insist that I wait for an employee > > with a cart. Carts were apparently in > > short supply that day and I waited and waited, not feeling I should > > advocate. Nowadays, I would have just picked > > a direction and asked someone else but I was too timmid then. After > > repeated calls for a cart, one finally > > arrived forty-five minutes later. When I got to the gate, everyone was on > > the plane and I just barely made it. I > > decided then I was not going to be in that position again. In addition, > > someone else had to wait longer for that > > cart, probably someone who really needed it, and an airport employee was > > tied up offering me help I neither needed > > or requested. The more independently one can travel the more options they > > have, and the better it is for > > everyone. > > > > Traveling independently is an important part of most jobs. By > > "independently," I don't mean that one never asks > > for help or even that we all have the same ability to travel. However, I > > have meetings with other people I need > > to attend and I'm often the only one in my area of the building attending. > > If I want to be hired for a job, I > > have to be able to add as little extra to what I expect from my employer as > > possible. Even though I'm a computer > > analyst, this means being able to travel around the complex I work in as > > independently as possible. Could someone > > who has more difficulty traveling do the job I am doing? Yes, they > > certainly could, but they might need to work > > out strategies that inconvenience their co-workers as little as possible. > > They would not likely succeed in the > > long run by grabbing the shoulder of "ol' sighty" out by the escalator. At > > least a little thought needs to be > > given to the possible inconvenience of the person from who you are more or > > less demanding help. > > > > Finally, I have to say something about this superblind thing. In my > > experience, this is a term used by people who > > want to remove all responsibility from themselves to be as independent as > > their abilities allow. If you have an > > injury that prevents you from handling certain aspects of travel, that > > certainly has to be taken into account. We > > are not all going to be the same. But does that mean you should > urge others > > to not strive for as much > > independence as possible? That does not seem fair to me at all. I knew a > > man once who told me that he didn't > > have to learn to travel independently because he had a wife and five kids > > and a secretary who worked for him. I > > know for a fact that his secretary guided him to the men's bathroom. If he > > had some sort of learning disability > > that made independent travel impossible, then I would certainly accept that > > he was managing as he could. However, > > I also knew that he had rejected any attempts to teach him independent > > travel which was why it was thought it > > would be helpful for me to talk to him and show up at his office on my own. > > He lost his sight while holding the > > job he had and apparently managed well enough to keep his job, but he would > > have had a difficult time getting the > > job he had with his attitude. > > > > We are never all going to achieve the same degree of > independence. Further, > > interdependence is a part of any > > civilized society to some degree. Still we will never achieve without > > striving. We will never know what we can > > do without sometimes discovering things we cannot do. Many of us routinely > > cross busy streets, but i'll bet there > > was not a single one of us who was not scared to cross that first > street, or > > maybe the first dozen streets. But > > if we had never taken that first scarey step, we wouldn't be crossing the > > streets we cross routinely. Helping > > each other strive to achieve more helps us achieve more, but it > doesn't mean > > we achieve everything for which we > > strive, but that's okay. One very rarely ever achieves something by > > accident, though, one has to strive to > > achieve first. I do not find the fact that there are blind people who have > > done things that I do not do as > > unsettling, rather it reminds me that there may be things I could do as a > > blind person that I simply have not yet > > discovered. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Steve Jacobson > > > > On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 04:45:01 -0700, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l wrote: > > > >>Good morning, > > > >>Personally, I like to think of it as interdependent travel, recruting > >>your fellow man, and sort of directing him where you need to go. > >>Admittedly, this means of travel found me after becoming injured such > >>that I was unable to keep track of direction and what they call rout > >>reversal, became for me no more than a pipe dream. > > > >>In my experience, however, if you just let go of this idea that to > >>prove to Ol'Sighty of blindness' being what is it, little more than > >>a mere inconvenience, everyone must be some kind of super blink whom, > >>by simply waving his long, white cane can travel any course, under > >>any circumstances in pitch ocular darkness. Sure, this social > >>construct is certainly possible to live within and many people do it, > >>but not everybody is super Federationist blink! > > > >>After all, interpersonal contact, I believe, is more of a palpable, > >>alternative to demonstrating to Ol'Sighty things of which most of us > >>are capable, that Ol'Sighty might remember. I'm fond of iterating > >>that Ol'Sighty cares not about the means to which the blink reaches > >>the same ends, noticing only that, eventually he gets there. So, if > >>it becomes a matter of walking through an airport, say, to > >>demonstrate to Ol'Sighty ways in which most blinks can, and do > >>advocate for themselves, it may be a plausible course of action to > >>grab Ol'Sighty from one of the hoards that are invariably around and, > >>placing your hand on his shoulder, tell him where you need to be and > >>see if he can help you. Of course, should he be in a hurry you can > >>find someone else, but wait for an indication of said sighted person > >>being unable to help. It is in this way you can actually have a > >>conversation with a sighted person, maybe even exchange names? > >>Agreed, the super blink means of seamlessly gliding through a crowd > >>is intimidating, and not exactly if I may say so myself, realistic of > >>every blink. Let that go! Probably, you are not a super blink, at > >>least by their rigid standards. > >>for today, Car > >>408-209-3239 > >> :52 AM 7/16/2014, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: > >>>Dear Students, > >>> > >>>I'd like to discuss another topic with all of you. On Monday I had > >>>a conversation with my mobility instructor during my training > >>>session at UCF. We were talking about the importance of traveling > >>>independently as blind individuals. I got very emotional while we > >>>were having this conversation and began to cry. Because I've never > >>>traveled independently in the community, I lack the experience of > >>>traveling on my own. Can each of you tell me your stories about > >>>inarependent travel? Hope to hear from you soon. > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>nabs-l mailing list > >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > > > >>_______________________________________________ > >>nabs-l mailing list > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson > %40visi.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From nabs.president at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 22:32:53 2016 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (NABS President) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 18:32:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Responses requested; thank you in advance! Message-ID: <038b01d1e2d6$a864ebc0$f92ec340$@gmail.com> Fellow students, Please join me in reading the below message from our national president, Mr. Mark Riccobono. I, along with our National Federation of the Blind leaders, thank you in advance for your comments, as it is incredibly important for all of us to share. Comments Needed on Web Access: As you know, the Department of Justice (DOJ) has issued a Supplemental Advanced Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (SANPRM) on the question of whether technical standards for web accessibility under Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) are needed to enable people with disabilities to access the services, programs, and activities offered on state and local government websites. The answer, of course, is yes; we need technical standards, and we need your help to make it happen. Please use the webform, https://nfb.org/titleiisanprm/comments, to submit your comments to DOJ. For technical assistance, please contact Kyle Walls at kwalls at nfb.org . Best, Kathryn Webster President | National Association of Blind Students Nabs.president at gmail.com 203-273-8463 Students.nfb.org -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Community-Service mailing list Community-Service at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/community-service_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Community-Service: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/community-service_nfbnet.org/kathrynwebster.nfb%40gmail.com From todd.orlowski11 at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 23:33:50 2016 From: todd.orlowski11 at gmail.com (todd.orlowski11 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 18:33:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Responses requested; thank you in advance! In-Reply-To: <038b01d1e2d6$a864ebc0$f92ec340$@gmail.com> References: <038b01d1e2d6$a864ebc0$f92ec340$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1D7AC6F0-2938-4331-AA1D-59921F693720@gmail.com> Kathryn Something needs to be done about the Walmart website. I mentioned it to the higher ups in the company and nothing has been done thus far. Todd Orlowski Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 20, 2016, at 5:32 PM, NABS President via NABS-L wrote: > > Fellow students, > > > > Please join me in reading the below message from our national president, Mr. Mark Riccobono. I, along with our National Federation of the Blind leaders, thank you in advance for your comments, as it is incredibly important for all of us to share. > > > > Comments Needed on Web Access: > > As you know, the Department of Justice (DOJ) has issued a Supplemental Advanced Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (SANPRM) on the question of whether technical standards for web accessibility under Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) are needed to enable people with disabilities to access the services, programs, and activities offered on state and local government websites. The answer, of course, is yes; we need technical standards, and we need your help to make it happen. Please use the webform, https://nfb.org/titleiisanprm/comments, to submit your comments to DOJ. For technical assistance, please contact Kyle Walls at kwalls at nfb.org . > > > > Best, > > Kathryn Webster > > President | National Association of Blind Students > > Nabs.president at gmail.com > > 203-273-8463 > > Students.nfb.org > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/todd.orlowski11%40gmail.com From nabs.president at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 23:40:46 2016 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (NABS President) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 19:40:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Responses requested; thank you in advance! In-Reply-To: <1D7AC6F0-2938-4331-AA1D-59921F693720@gmail.com> References: <038b01d1e2d6$a864ebc0$f92ec340$@gmail.com> <1D7AC6F0-2938-4331-AA1D-59921F693720@gmail.com> Message-ID: <03b301d1e2e0$23a56a90$6af03fb0$@gmail.com> Todd, Yes; share it far and wide. Firms need to be held accountable for their lack of accessibility. Please do bring your concern to that online form so we have a universal place to gather suggestions, ideas, and concerns. Thanks for your contributions, Kathryn -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Todd via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 7:34 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: todd.orlowski11 at gmail.com Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Responses requested; thank you in advance! Kathryn Something needs to be done about the Walmart website. I mentioned it to the higher ups in the company and nothing has been done thus far. Todd Orlowski Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 20, 2016, at 5:32 PM, NABS President via NABS-L wrote: > > Fellow students, > > > > Please join me in reading the below message from our national president, Mr. Mark Riccobono. I, along with our National Federation of the Blind leaders, thank you in advance for your comments, as it is incredibly important for all of us to share. > > > > Comments Needed on Web Access: > > As you know, the Department of Justice (DOJ) has issued a Supplemental Advanced Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (SANPRM) on the question of whether technical standards for web accessibility under Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) are needed to enable people with disabilities to access the services, programs, and activities offered on state and local government websites. The answer, of course, is yes; we need technical standards, and we need your help to make it happen. Please use the webform, https://nfb.org/titleiisanprm/comments, to submit your comments to DOJ. For technical assistance, please contact Kyle Walls at kwalls at nfb.org . > > > > Best, > > Kathryn Webster > > President | National Association of Blind Students > > Nabs.president at gmail.com > > 203-273-8463 > > Students.nfb.org > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/todd.orlowski11%40gmail. com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.c om From kat.bottner at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 23:54:49 2016 From: kat.bottner at gmail.com (Kathryn Bottner) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 19:54:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Responses requested; thank you in advance! In-Reply-To: <1D7AC6F0-2938-4331-AA1D-59921F693720@gmail.com> References: <038b01d1e2d6$a864ebc0$f92ec340$@gmail.com> <1D7AC6F0-2938-4331-AA1D-59921F693720@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002401d1e2e2$1a18e360$4e4aaa20$@gmail.com> I agree, the Walmart website is not accessible, and it's sad, as a lot of blind and visually impaired people shop there I'm sure. I have some experience with their App, and that needs some work as well. I have just filled out the form to submit my comments to the DOJ. Thanks, Kat Bottner NFB of Delaware affiliate president -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Todd via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 7:34 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: todd.orlowski11 at gmail.com Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Responses requested; thank you in advance! Kathryn Something needs to be done about the Walmart website. I mentioned it to the higher ups in the company and nothing has been done thus far. Todd Orlowski Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 20, 2016, at 5:32 PM, NABS President via NABS-L wrote: > > Fellow students, > > > > Please join me in reading the below message from our national president, Mr. Mark Riccobono. I, along with our National Federation of the Blind leaders, thank you in advance for your comments, as it is incredibly important for all of us to share. > > > > Comments Needed on Web Access: > > As you know, the Department of Justice (DOJ) has issued a Supplemental Advanced Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (SANPRM) on the question of whether technical standards for web accessibility under Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) are needed to enable people with disabilities to access the services, programs, and activities offered on state and local government websites. The answer, of course, is yes; we need technical standards, and we need your help to make it happen. Please use the web form, https://nfb.org/titleiisanprm/comments, to submit your comments to DOJ. For technical assistance, please contact Kyle Walls at kwalls at nfb.org . > > > > Best, > > Kathryn Webster > > President | National Association of Blind Students > > Nabs.president at gmail.com > > 203-273-8463 > > Students.nfb.org > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/todd.orlowski11%40gmail. com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kat.bottner%40gmail.com From chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com Thu Jul 21 04:52:58 2016 From: chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com (chelsea peahl) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 04:52:58 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing the 2016-17 NABS list moderators In-Reply-To: <61C0FDF6-694C-49D9-A563-919D10BFB1E9@asu.edu> References: <02ec01d1e2a5$5b97eee0$12c7cca0$@gmail.com> , <61C0FDF6-694C-49D9-A563-919D10BFB1E9@asu.edu> Message-ID: Hello all! I am so excited to be serving as a list moderator! I know that this list serve is a place where I have come for information in the past and I am excited to see it continue to serve myself and others! With that being said, If you ever need anything, do not hesitate to ask! Chelsea Peahl > On Jul 20, 2016, at 1:24 PM, Bryan Duarte via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello NABS list, > > I am looking forward to serving on the NABS board this year and being a part of the list discussions. I personally have found the NABS list to be a very insightful and resourceful place to gather information. As you can all see our list is always busy with awesome topics and amazing information for students so lets continue to encourage positive communication and limit negative feedback. If we can all keep in mind that we all come from different backgrounds and have different ways of doing things it will allow us to share our experiences without making anyone feel like their question or answer was not helpful. We are all here as peers who want to share our knowledge and experiences but we should approach every post on this public forum with respect and kindness. In case you are not aware there are some posting guidelines and rules that will be enforced. Every month they will be posted for new members and so we can all be on the same page if a thread should be removed or topic discontinued. Thank you all for your participation in the NABS list and I look forward to interacting with you all this year. > > Bryan Duarte software engineer > ASU Computer Science Ph.D candidate > QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/ > > “let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.” > -- St. Teresa of Avila > >> On Jul 20, 2016, at 11:15 AM, Shannon Cantan via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Greetings all, >> And thank you Madam President for the introduction. >> I am honored to be here. Please do not hesitate to reach out to me about any issues, concerns, or general questions. >> Now, let's continue to have lively, informative, and respectful discussions. >> >> >> >>> On Jul 20, 2016, at 6:39 AM, NABS President via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> Dear NABS, >>> >>> >>> >>> I am pleased to announce our 2016-17 National Association of >>> Blind Students list moderators for the upcoming calendar year. >>> >>> >>> >>> Bryan Duarte, NABS Board member, bjduarte at asu.edu >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum, NABS Board Member, dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com >>> >>> Chelsea Peahl, President, Utah Association of Blind Students, >>> chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com >>> >>> Shannon Cantan, President, Hawaii Association of Blind Students, >>> Shannon.cantan at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> I have appointed these four individuals with the sole purpose of monitoring >>> the NABS-l discussion list. Since we are a high-trafficked listserv, I've >>> decided to continue the trend of having fabulous leaders step up to ensure >>> that our list is productive, effective, inclusive, and welcoming to all. >>> Please keep in mind that these four students, as well as members of the NABS >>> Board, may discontinue a conversation thread. There is not any malicious >>> intent behind such halting, rather a way to avoid conflict on topics that >>> should not be discussed in this open forum. Furthermore, one of our >>> moderators will be sending monthly reminders of the NABS list guidelines. >>> This has been done in the past by Arielle Silverman, and we are so gracious >>> for her efforts throughout the past two years. >>> >>> >>> >>> Please feel free to email any of the list moderators if you are hesitant >>> about a topic starter, or simply want input on a discussion before bringing >>> it up. Do not feel that this is necessary by any means, but it is an option >>> when contemplating the birth of a controversial thread. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you in advance for contributions to the list, and please let us know >>> if there is anything we can do to improve your experience on our listserv. >>> >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Kathryn Webster >>> >>> President | National Association of Blind Students >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/shannon.cantan%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bjduarte%40asu.edu > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelsea.peahl%40hotmail.com From steve.jacobson at visi.com Thu Jul 21 11:07:57 2016 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:07:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Responses requested; thank you in advance! In-Reply-To: <002401d1e2e2$1a18e360$4e4aaa20$@gmail.com> References: <038b01d1e2d6$a864ebc0$f92ec340$@gmail.com> <1D7AC6F0-2938-4331-AA1D-59921F693720@gmail.com> <002401d1e2e2$1a18e360$4e4aaa20$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I have not seen this entire thread, but has anyone contacted access at nfb.org regarding this web site? Best regards, Steve Jacobson -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bottner via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 6:55 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Kathryn Bottner Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Responses requested; thank you in advance! I agree, the Walmart website is not accessible, and it's sad, as a lot of blind and visually impaired people shop there I'm sure. I have some experience with their App, and that needs some work as well. I have just filled out the form to submit my comments to the DOJ. Thanks, Kat Bottner NFB of Delaware affiliate president -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Todd via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 7:34 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: todd.orlowski11 at gmail.com Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Responses requested; thank you in advance! Kathryn Something needs to be done about the Walmart website. I mentioned it to the higher ups in the company and nothing has been done thus far. Todd Orlowski Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 20, 2016, at 5:32 PM, NABS President via NABS-L wrote: > > Fellow students, > > > > Please join me in reading the below message from our national president, Mr. Mark Riccobono. I, along with our National Federation of the Blind leaders, thank you in advance for your comments, as it is incredibly important for all of us to share. > > > > Comments Needed on Web Access: > > As you know, the Department of Justice (DOJ) has issued a Supplemental Advanced Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (SANPRM) on the question of whether technical standards for web accessibility under Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) are needed to enable people with disabilities to access the services, programs, and activities offered on state and local government websites. The answer, of course, is yes; we need technical standards, and we need your help to make it happen. Please use the web form, https://nfb.org/titleiisanprm/comments, to submit your comments to DOJ. For technical assistance, please contact Kyle Walls at kwalls at nfb.org . > > > > Best, > > Kathryn Webster > > President | National Association of Blind Students > > Nabs.president at gmail.com > > 203-273-8463 > > Students.nfb.org > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/todd.orlowski11%40gmail. com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kat.bottner%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.co m From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 13:20:12 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 09:20:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Responses requested; thank you in advance! In-Reply-To: <038b01d1e2d6$a864ebc0$f92ec340$@gmail.com> References: <038b01d1e2d6$a864ebc0$f92ec340$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0FAF2E8D-A8B7-4182-B9F3-D6D9221D6B2C@gmail.com> All web pages need to be accessible to the blind. Sent from my iPad > On Jul 20, 2016, at 6:32 PM, NABS President via NABS-L wrote: > > Fellow students, > > > > Please join me in reading the below message from our national president, Mr. Mark Riccobono. I, along with our National Federation of the Blind leaders, thank you in advance for your comments, as it is incredibly important for all of us to share. > > > > Comments Needed on Web Access: > > As you know, the Department of Justice (DOJ) has issued a Supplemental Advanced Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (SANPRM) on the question of whether technical standards for web accessibility under Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) are needed to enable people with disabilities to access the services, programs, and activities offered on state and local government websites. The answer, of course, is yes; we need technical standards, and we need your help to make it happen. Please use the webform, https://nfb.org/titleiisanprm/comments, to submit your comments to DOJ. For technical assistance, please contact Kyle Walls at kwalls at nfb.org . > > > > Best, > > Kathryn Webster > > President | National Association of Blind Students > > Nabs.president at gmail.com > > 203-273-8463 > > Students.nfb.org > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 13:23:33 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 09:23:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] The Importance Of Independent Travel In-Reply-To: <578ffc21.5d3bed0a.4c5ec.f26eSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> References: <20140828114632925@spamfilter-2.visi.com> <578ffc21.5d3bed0a.4c5ec.f26eSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <001a01d1e353$148cfd70$3da6f850$@gmail.com> I agree. Super blind to me is a little disrespectful, as well as when someone says, "you're just so independent." Or, I'd fall flat on my face if I had to do that. I always say, no you wouldn't, you'd do the same thing I do. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 6:32 PM To: Arielle Silverman ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; Steve Jacobson ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Carly Mihalakis Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Importance Of Independent Travel Exactly.At 04:02 PM 8/28/2014, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l wrote: >Yes. And I have to ask, Would we call somebody "super-sightie" because >they go places completely on their own, by car or on foot? I suspect >not, so then why is a blind person who does the same thing >"super-blind?" Why do we hold blindpeople to a different standard of >independence than the sighted? > >Arielle > >On 8/28/14, Steve Jacobson via nabs-l wrote: > > Carly, > > > > As a blind person, I am aware and even concerned with how my actions > > might affect other blind people, and therefore do my best not to use > > help I don't need. Having said that, my primary reasons for trying > > to travel as independently as possible have little to do with > > proving anything > to anyone. > > I wil readily admit that if someone more or less forces me to be > > assisted to do something for which I do not need assistance, I do > > feel moved to show them that the assistance was not required if the > > opportunity arises. For example, if someone insists I take an > > elevator instead of the steps when the stairs are more convenient, I > > will probably push to take the steps since I know they won't be a > > problem. I probably wouldn't do that with a heavy suitcase, though, > > but I might take an escalator. I wouldn't do either, though, if I > > didn't feel confident that I could do it. .To the greatest degree > > possible, I want to be in control of my own destiny. I can't always > > have the control I want, but I work hard to have as much as is > > possible. > > > > Years ago I went to the airport to fly to Washington DC. When I got > > to the counter and received my gate information, I asked for > > directions to the gate. When the person > behind the > > counter acted confused, I asked if he would just tell me which > > direction to go from the counter. I was told they would get me an > > electric cart and that I should wait. I was a little new to airport > > travel at that time but I asked again for directions noting that I > > did not need an electric cart. To make this long story shorter, the > > person would not give me directions and refused to help me in any > > way except to insist that I wait for an employee with a cart. Carts > > were apparently in short supply that day and I waited and waited, > > not feeling I should advocate. Nowadays, I would have just picked a > > direction and asked someone else but I was too timmid then. After > > repeated calls for a cart, one finally arrived forty-five minutes > > later. When I got to the gate, everyone was on the plane and I just > > barely made it. I decided then I was not going to be in that > > position again. In addition, someone else had to wait longer for > > that cart, probably someone who really needed it, and an airport > > employee was tied up offering me help I neither needed or requested. > > The more independently one can travel the more options they have, > > and the better it is for everyone. > > > > Traveling independently is an important part of most jobs. By > > "independently," I don't mean that one never asks for help or even > > that we all have the same ability to travel. However, I have > > meetings with other people I need to attend and I'm often the only > > one in my area of the building attending. > > If I want to be hired for a job, I > > have to be able to add as little extra to what I expect from my > > employer as possible. Even though I'm a computer analyst, this > > means being able to travel around the complex I work in as > > independently as possible. Could someone who has more difficulty > > traveling do the job I am doing? Yes, they certainly could, but > > they might need to work out strategies that inconvenience their > > co-workers as little as possible. > > They would not likely succeed in the long run by grabbing the > > shoulder of "ol' sighty" out by the escalator. At least a little > > thought needs to be given to the possible inconvenience of the > > person from who you are more or less demanding help. > > > > Finally, I have to say something about this superblind thing. In my > > experience, this is a term used by people who want to remove all > > responsibility from themselves to be as independent as their > > abilities allow. If you have an injury that prevents you from > > handling certain aspects of travel, that certainly has to be taken > > into account. We are not all going to be the same. But does that > > mean you should > urge others > > to not strive for as much > > independence as possible? That does not seem fair to me at all. I > > knew a man once who told me that he didn't have to learn to travel > > independently because he had a wife and five kids and a secretary > > who worked for him. I know for a fact that his secretary guided him > > to the men's bathroom. If he had some sort of learning disability > > that made independent travel impossible, then I would certainly > > accept that he was managing as he could. However, I also knew that > > he had rejected any attempts to teach him independent travel which > > was why it was thought it would be helpful for me to talk to him and > > show up at his office on my own. > > He lost his sight while holding the > > job he had and apparently managed well enough to keep his job, but > > he would have had a difficult time getting the job he had with his > > attitude. > > > > We are never all going to achieve the same degree of > independence. Further, > > interdependence is a part of any > > civilized society to some degree. Still we will never achieve > > without striving. We will never know what we can do without > > sometimes discovering things we cannot do. Many of us routinely > > cross busy streets, but i'll bet there was not a single one of us > > who was not scared to cross that first > street, or > > maybe the first dozen streets. But > > if we had never taken that first scarey step, we wouldn't be > > crossing the streets we cross routinely. Helping each other strive > > to achieve more helps us achieve more, but it > doesn't mean > > we achieve everything for which we > > strive, but that's okay. One very rarely ever achieves something by > > accident, though, one has to strive to achieve first. I do not find > > the fact that there are blind people who have done things that I do > > not do as unsettling, rather it reminds me that there may be things > > I could do as a blind person that I simply have not yet discovered. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Steve Jacobson > > > > On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 04:45:01 -0700, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l wrote: > > > >>Good morning, > > > >>Personally, I like to think of it as interdependent travel, > >>recruting your fellow man, and sort of directing him where you need to go. > >>Admittedly, this means of travel found me after becoming injured > >>such that I was unable to keep track of direction and what they call > >>rout reversal, became for me no more than a pipe dream. > > > >>In my experience, however, if you just let go of this idea that to > >>prove to Ol'Sighty of blindness' being what is it, little more > >>than a mere inconvenience, everyone must be some kind of super blink > >>whom, by simply waving his long, white cane can travel any course, > >>under any circumstances in pitch ocular darkness. Sure, this social > >>construct is certainly possible to live within and many people do > >>it, but not everybody is super Federationist blink! > > > >>After all, interpersonal contact, I believe, is more of a palpable, > >>alternative to demonstrating to Ol'Sighty things of which most of us > >>are capable, that Ol'Sighty might remember. I'm fond of iterating > >>that Ol'Sighty cares not about the means to which the blink reaches > >>the same ends, noticing only that, eventually he gets there. So, if > >>it becomes a matter of walking through an airport, say, to > >>demonstrate to Ol'Sighty ways in which most blinks can, and do > >>advocate for themselves, it may be a plausible course of action to > >>grab Ol'Sighty from one of the hoards that are invariably around > >>and, placing your hand on his shoulder, tell him where you need to > >>be and see if he can help you. Of course, should he be in a hurry > >>you can find someone else, but wait for an indication of said > >>sighted person being unable to help. It is in this way you can > >>actually have a conversation with a sighted person, maybe even exchange names? > >>Agreed, the super blink means of seamlessly gliding through a crowd > >>is intimidating, and not exactly if I may say so myself, realistic > >>of every blink. Let that go! Probably, you are not a super blink, at > >>least by their rigid standards. > >>for today, Car > >>408-209-3239 > >> :52 AM 7/16/2014, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: > >>>Dear Students, > >>> > >>>I'd like to discuss another topic with all of you. On Monday I had > >>>a conversation with my mobility instructor during my training > >>>session at UCF. We were talking about the importance of traveling > >>>independently as blind individuals. I got very emotional while we > >>>were having this conversation and began to cry. Because I've never > >>>traveled independently in the community, I lack the experience of > >>>traveling on my own. Can each of you tell me your stories about > >>>inarependent travel? Hope to hear from you soon. > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>nabs-l mailing list > >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>>for > >>> nabs-l: > >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comc > >>>ast.net > > > > > >>_______________________________________________ > >>nabs-l mailing list > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>for > >> nabs-l: > >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson > %40visi.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmai > > l.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast. >net _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 13:24:56 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 09:24:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing the 2016-17 NABS list moderators In-Reply-To: <02ec01d1e2a5$5b97eee0$12c7cca0$@gmail.com> References: <02ec01d1e2a5$5b97eee0$12c7cca0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001b01d1e353$462b0430$d2810c90$@gmail.com> Good luck folks. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of NABS President via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 12:40 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: NABS President ; board at nabslink.org Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing the 2016-17 NABS list moderators Dear NABS, I am pleased to announce our 2016-17 National Association of Blind Students list moderators for the upcoming calendar year. Bryan Duarte, NABS Board member, bjduarte at asu.edu Chris Nusbaum, NABS Board Member, dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Chelsea Peahl, President, Utah Association of Blind Students, chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com Shannon Cantan, President, Hawaii Association of Blind Students, Shannon.cantan at gmail.com I have appointed these four individuals with the sole purpose of monitoring the NABS-l discussion list. Since we are a high-trafficked listserv, I've decided to continue the trend of having fabulous leaders step up to ensure that our list is productive, effective, inclusive, and welcoming to all. Please keep in mind that these four students, as well as members of the NABS Board, may discontinue a conversation thread. There is not any malicious intent behind such halting, rather a way to avoid conflict on topics that should not be discussed in this open forum. Furthermore, one of our moderators will be sending monthly reminders of the NABS list guidelines. This has been done in the past by Arielle Silverman, and we are so gracious for her efforts throughout the past two years. Please feel free to email any of the list moderators if you are hesitant about a topic starter, or simply want input on a discussion before bringing it up. Do not feel that this is necessary by any means, but it is an option when contemplating the birth of a controversial thread. Thank you in advance for contributions to the list, and please let us know if there is anything we can do to improve your experience on our listserv. Best, Kathryn Webster President | National Association of Blind Students _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 13:32:19 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 09:32:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] The Importance Of Independent Travel In-Reply-To: <001a01d1e353$148cfd70$3da6f850$@gmail.com> References: <20140828114632925@spamfilter-2.visi.com> <578ffc21.5d3bed0a.4c5ec.f26eSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <001a01d1e353$148cfd70$3da6f850$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9F3DD550-92DC-4709-BACA-FFC2ADD5285B@gmail.com> I agree with you. Sent from my iPad > On Jul 21, 2016, at 9:23 AM, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: > > I agree. Super blind to me is a little disrespectful, as well as when > someone says, "you're just so independent." Or, I'd fall flat on my face if > I had to do that. I always say, no you wouldn't, you'd do the same thing I > do. > Justin > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis > via NABS-L > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 6:32 PM > To: Arielle Silverman ; National Association of Blind > Students mailing list ; Steve Jacobson > ; National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Cc: Carly Mihalakis > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Importance Of Independent Travel > > Exactly.At 04:02 PM 8/28/2014, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l wrote: >> Yes. And I have to ask, Would we call somebody "super-sightie" because >> they go places completely on their own, by car or on foot? I suspect >> not, so then why is a blind person who does the same thing >> "super-blind?" Why do we hold blindpeople to a different standard of >> independence than the sighted? >> >> Arielle >> >>> On 8/28/14, Steve Jacobson via nabs-l wrote: >>> Carly, >>> >>> As a blind person, I am aware and even concerned with how my actions >>> might affect other blind people, and therefore do my best not to use >>> help I don't need. Having said that, my primary reasons for trying >>> to travel as independently as possible have little to do with >>> proving anything >> to anyone. >>> I wil readily admit that if someone more or less forces me to be >>> assisted to do something for which I do not need assistance, I do >>> feel moved to show them that the assistance was not required if the >>> opportunity arises. For example, if someone insists I take an >>> elevator instead of the steps when the stairs are more convenient, I >>> will probably push to take the steps since I know they won't be a >>> problem. I probably wouldn't do that with a heavy suitcase, though, >>> but I might take an escalator. I wouldn't do either, though, if I >>> didn't feel confident that I could do it. .To the greatest degree >>> possible, I want to be in control of my own destiny. I can't always >>> have the control I want, but I work hard to have as much as is >>> possible. >>> >>> Years ago I went to the airport to fly to Washington DC. When I got >>> to the counter and received my gate information, I asked for >>> directions to the gate. When the person >> behind the >>> counter acted confused, I asked if he would just tell me which >>> direction to go from the counter. I was told they would get me an >>> electric cart and that I should wait. I was a little new to airport >>> travel at that time but I asked again for directions noting that I >>> did not need an electric cart. To make this long story shorter, the >>> person would not give me directions and refused to help me in any >>> way except to insist that I wait for an employee with a cart. Carts >>> were apparently in short supply that day and I waited and waited, >>> not feeling I should advocate. Nowadays, I would have just picked a >>> direction and asked someone else but I was too timmid then. After >>> repeated calls for a cart, one finally arrived forty-five minutes >>> later. When I got to the gate, everyone was on the plane and I just >>> barely made it. I decided then I was not going to be in that >>> position again. In addition, someone else had to wait longer for >>> that cart, probably someone who really needed it, and an airport >>> employee was tied up offering me help I neither needed or requested. >>> The more independently one can travel the more options they have, >>> and the better it is for everyone. >>> >>> Traveling independently is an important part of most jobs. By >>> "independently," I don't mean that one never asks for help or even >>> that we all have the same ability to travel. However, I have >>> meetings with other people I need to attend and I'm often the only >>> one in my area of the building attending. >>> If I want to be hired for a job, I >>> have to be able to add as little extra to what I expect from my >>> employer as possible. Even though I'm a computer analyst, this >>> means being able to travel around the complex I work in as >>> independently as possible. Could someone who has more difficulty >>> traveling do the job I am doing? Yes, they certainly could, but >>> they might need to work out strategies that inconvenience their >>> co-workers as little as possible. >>> They would not likely succeed in the long run by grabbing the >>> shoulder of "ol' sighty" out by the escalator. At least a little >>> thought needs to be given to the possible inconvenience of the >>> person from who you are more or less demanding help. >>> >>> Finally, I have to say something about this superblind thing. In my >>> experience, this is a term used by people who want to remove all >>> responsibility from themselves to be as independent as their >>> abilities allow. If you have an injury that prevents you from >>> handling certain aspects of travel, that certainly has to be taken >>> into account. We are not all going to be the same. But does that >>> mean you should >> urge others >>> to not strive for as much >>> independence as possible? That does not seem fair to me at all. I >>> knew a man once who told me that he didn't have to learn to travel >>> independently because he had a wife and five kids and a secretary >>> who worked for him. I know for a fact that his secretary guided him >>> to the men's bathroom. If he had some sort of learning disability >>> that made independent travel impossible, then I would certainly >>> accept that he was managing as he could. However, I also knew that >>> he had rejected any attempts to teach him independent travel which >>> was why it was thought it would be helpful for me to talk to him and >>> show up at his office on my own. >>> He lost his sight while holding the >>> job he had and apparently managed well enough to keep his job, but >>> he would have had a difficult time getting the job he had with his >>> attitude. >>> >>> We are never all going to achieve the same degree of >> independence. Further, >>> interdependence is a part of any >>> civilized society to some degree. Still we will never achieve >>> without striving. We will never know what we can do without >>> sometimes discovering things we cannot do. Many of us routinely >>> cross busy streets, but i'll bet there was not a single one of us >>> who was not scared to cross that first >> street, or >>> maybe the first dozen streets. But >>> if we had never taken that first scarey step, we wouldn't be >>> crossing the streets we cross routinely. Helping each other strive >>> to achieve more helps us achieve more, but it >> doesn't mean >>> we achieve everything for which we >>> strive, but that's okay. One very rarely ever achieves something by >>> accident, though, one has to strive to achieve first. I do not find >>> the fact that there are blind people who have done things that I do >>> not do as unsettling, rather it reminds me that there may be things >>> I could do as a blind person that I simply have not yet discovered. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Steve Jacobson >>> >>>> On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 04:45:01 -0700, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l wrote: >>>> >>>> Good morning, >>> >>>> Personally, I like to think of it as interdependent travel, >>>> recruting your fellow man, and sort of directing him where you need to > go. >>>> Admittedly, this means of travel found me after becoming injured >>>> such that I was unable to keep track of direction and what they call >>>> rout reversal, became for me no more than a pipe dream. >>> >>>> In my experience, however, if you just let go of this idea that to >>>> prove to Ol'Sighty of blindness' being what is it, little more >>>> than a mere inconvenience, everyone must be some kind of super blink >>>> whom, by simply waving his long, white cane can travel any course, >>>> under any circumstances in pitch ocular darkness. Sure, this social >>>> construct is certainly possible to live within and many people do >>>> it, but not everybody is super Federationist blink! >>> >>>> After all, interpersonal contact, I believe, is more of a palpable, >>>> alternative to demonstrating to Ol'Sighty things of which most of us >>>> are capable, that Ol'Sighty might remember. I'm fond of iterating >>>> that Ol'Sighty cares not about the means to which the blink reaches >>>> the same ends, noticing only that, eventually he gets there. So, if >>>> it becomes a matter of walking through an airport, say, to >>>> demonstrate to Ol'Sighty ways in which most blinks can, and do >>>> advocate for themselves, it may be a plausible course of action to >>>> grab Ol'Sighty from one of the hoards that are invariably around >>>> and, placing your hand on his shoulder, tell him where you need to >>>> be and see if he can help you. Of course, should he be in a hurry >>>> you can find someone else, but wait for an indication of said >>>> sighted person being unable to help. It is in this way you can >>>> actually have a conversation with a sighted person, maybe even exchange > names? >>>> Agreed, the super blink means of seamlessly gliding through a crowd >>>> is intimidating, and not exactly if I may say so myself, realistic >>>> of every blink. Let that go! Probably, you are not a super blink, at >>>> least by their rigid standards. >>>> for today, Car >>>> 408-209-3239 >>>> :52 AM 7/16/2014, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: >>>>> Dear Students, >>>>> >>>>> I'd like to discuss another topic with all of you. On Monday I had >>>>> a conversation with my mobility instructor during my training >>>>> session at UCF. We were talking about the importance of traveling >>>>> independently as blind individuals. I got very emotional while we >>>>> were having this conversation and began to cry. Because I've never >>>>> traveled independently in the community, I lack the experience of >>>>> traveling on my own. Can each of you tell me your stories about >>>>> inarependent travel? Hope to hear from you soon. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comc >>>>> ast.net >>> >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson >> %40visi.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmai >>> l.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast. >> net > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com From jameyanne at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 14:48:04 2016 From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:48:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] The Importance Of Independent Travel In-Reply-To: <9F3DD550-92DC-4709-BACA-FFC2ADD5285B@gmail.com> References: <20140828114632925@spamfilter-2.visi.com> <578ffc21.5d3bed0a.4c5ec.f26eSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <001a01d1e353$148cfd70$3da6f850$@gmail.com> <9F3DD550-92DC-4709-BACA-FFC2ADD5285B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00ff01d1e35e$e35b0880$aa111980$@gmail.com> I've had people tell me, "If I was blind, I would just lie in bed all day. I wouldn't be able to do anything." And my response to this is always "I highly doubt that. Eventually you'd have to pee." Possibly not appropriate, but it's just such a stupid thing to say. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 9:32 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: rbacchus228 at gmail.com Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Importance Of Independent Travel I agree with you. Sent from my iPad > On Jul 21, 2016, at 9:23 AM, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: > > I agree. Super blind to me is a little disrespectful, as well as when > someone says, "you're just so independent." Or, I'd fall flat on my face if > I had to do that. I always say, no you wouldn't, you'd do the same thing I > do. > Justin > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis > via NABS-L > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 6:32 PM > To: Arielle Silverman ; National Association of Blind > Students mailing list ; Steve Jacobson > ; National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Cc: Carly Mihalakis > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Importance Of Independent Travel > > Exactly.At 04:02 PM 8/28/2014, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l wrote: >> Yes. And I have to ask, Would we call somebody "super-sightie" because >> they go places completely on their own, by car or on foot? I suspect >> not, so then why is a blind person who does the same thing >> "super-blind?" Why do we hold blindpeople to a different standard of >> independence than the sighted? >> >> Arielle >> >>> On 8/28/14, Steve Jacobson via nabs-l wrote: >>> Carly, >>> >>> As a blind person, I am aware and even concerned with how my actions >>> might affect other blind people, and therefore do my best not to use >>> help I don't need. Having said that, my primary reasons for trying >>> to travel as independently as possible have little to do with >>> proving anything >> to anyone. >>> I wil readily admit that if someone more or less forces me to be >>> assisted to do something for which I do not need assistance, I do >>> feel moved to show them that the assistance was not required if the >>> opportunity arises. For example, if someone insists I take an >>> elevator instead of the steps when the stairs are more convenient, I >>> will probably push to take the steps since I know they won't be a >>> problem. I probably wouldn't do that with a heavy suitcase, though, >>> but I might take an escalator. I wouldn't do either, though, if I >>> didn't feel confident that I could do it. .To the greatest degree >>> possible, I want to be in control of my own destiny. I can't always >>> have the control I want, but I work hard to have as much as is >>> possible. >>> >>> Years ago I went to the airport to fly to Washington DC. When I got >>> to the counter and received my gate information, I asked for >>> directions to the gate. When the person >> behind the >>> counter acted confused, I asked if he would just tell me which >>> direction to go from the counter. I was told they would get me an >>> electric cart and that I should wait. I was a little new to airport >>> travel at that time but I asked again for directions noting that I >>> did not need an electric cart. To make this long story shorter, the >>> person would not give me directions and refused to help me in any >>> way except to insist that I wait for an employee with a cart. Carts >>> were apparently in short supply that day and I waited and waited, >>> not feeling I should advocate. Nowadays, I would have just picked a >>> direction and asked someone else but I was too timmid then. After >>> repeated calls for a cart, one finally arrived forty-five minutes >>> later. When I got to the gate, everyone was on the plane and I just >>> barely made it. I decided then I was not going to be in that >>> position again. In addition, someone else had to wait longer for >>> that cart, probably someone who really needed it, and an airport >>> employee was tied up offering me help I neither needed or requested. >>> The more independently one can travel the more options they have, >>> and the better it is for everyone. >>> >>> Traveling independently is an important part of most jobs. By >>> "independently," I don't mean that one never asks for help or even >>> that we all have the same ability to travel. However, I have >>> meetings with other people I need to attend and I'm often the only >>> one in my area of the building attending. >>> If I want to be hired for a job, I >>> have to be able to add as little extra to what I expect from my >>> employer as possible. Even though I'm a computer analyst, this >>> means being able to travel around the complex I work in as >>> independently as possible. Could someone who has more difficulty >>> traveling do the job I am doing? Yes, they certainly could, but >>> they might need to work out strategies that inconvenience their >>> co-workers as little as possible. >>> They would not likely succeed in the long run by grabbing the >>> shoulder of "ol' sighty" out by the escalator. At least a little >>> thought needs to be given to the possible inconvenience of the >>> person from who you are more or less demanding help. >>> >>> Finally, I have to say something about this superblind thing. In my >>> experience, this is a term used by people who want to remove all >>> responsibility from themselves to be as independent as their >>> abilities allow. If you have an injury that prevents you from >>> handling certain aspects of travel, that certainly has to be taken >>> into account. We are not all going to be the same. But does that >>> mean you should >> urge others >>> to not strive for as much >>> independence as possible? That does not seem fair to me at all. I >>> knew a man once who told me that he didn't have to learn to travel >>> independently because he had a wife and five kids and a secretary >>> who worked for him. I know for a fact that his secretary guided him >>> to the men's bathroom. If he had some sort of learning disability >>> that made independent travel impossible, then I would certainly >>> accept that he was managing as he could. However, I also knew that >>> he had rejected any attempts to teach him independent travel which >>> was why it was thought it would be helpful for me to talk to him and >>> show up at his office on my own. >>> He lost his sight while holding the >>> job he had and apparently managed well enough to keep his job, but >>> he would have had a difficult time getting the job he had with his >>> attitude. >>> >>> We are never all going to achieve the same degree of >> independence. Further, >>> interdependence is a part of any >>> civilized society to some degree. Still we will never achieve >>> without striving. We will never know what we can do without >>> sometimes discovering things we cannot do. Many of us routinely >>> cross busy streets, but i'll bet there was not a single one of us >>> who was not scared to cross that first >> street, or >>> maybe the first dozen streets. But >>> if we had never taken that first scarey step, we wouldn't be >>> crossing the streets we cross routinely. Helping each other strive >>> to achieve more helps us achieve more, but it >> doesn't mean >>> we achieve everything for which we >>> strive, but that's okay. One very rarely ever achieves something by >>> accident, though, one has to strive to achieve first. I do not find >>> the fact that there are blind people who have done things that I do >>> not do as unsettling, rather it reminds me that there may be things >>> I could do as a blind person that I simply have not yet discovered. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Steve Jacobson >>> >>>> On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 04:45:01 -0700, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l wrote: >>>> >>>> Good morning, >>> >>>> Personally, I like to think of it as interdependent travel, >>>> recruting your fellow man, and sort of directing him where you need to > go. >>>> Admittedly, this means of travel found me after becoming injured >>>> such that I was unable to keep track of direction and what they call >>>> rout reversal, became for me no more than a pipe dream. >>> >>>> In my experience, however, if you just let go of this idea that to >>>> prove to Ol'Sighty of blindness' being what is it, little more >>>> than a mere inconvenience, everyone must be some kind of super blink >>>> whom, by simply waving his long, white cane can travel any course, >>>> under any circumstances in pitch ocular darkness. Sure, this social >>>> construct is certainly possible to live within and many people do >>>> it, but not everybody is super Federationist blink! >>> >>>> After all, interpersonal contact, I believe, is more of a palpable, >>>> alternative to demonstrating to Ol'Sighty things of which most of us >>>> are capable, that Ol'Sighty might remember. I'm fond of iterating >>>> that Ol'Sighty cares not about the means to which the blink reaches >>>> the same ends, noticing only that, eventually he gets there. So, if >>>> it becomes a matter of walking through an airport, say, to >>>> demonstrate to Ol'Sighty ways in which most blinks can, and do >>>> advocate for themselves, it may be a plausible course of action to >>>> grab Ol'Sighty from one of the hoards that are invariably around >>>> and, placing your hand on his shoulder, tell him where you need to >>>> be and see if he can help you. Of course, should he be in a hurry >>>> you can find someone else, but wait for an indication of said >>>> sighted person being unable to help. It is in this way you can >>>> actually have a conversation with a sighted person, maybe even exchange > names? >>>> Agreed, the super blink means of seamlessly gliding through a crowd >>>> is intimidating, and not exactly if I may say so myself, realistic >>>> of every blink. Let that go! Probably, you are not a super blink, at >>>> least by their rigid standards. >>>> for today, Car >>>> 408-209-3239 >>>> :52 AM 7/16/2014, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: >>>>> Dear Students, >>>>> >>>>> I'd like to discuss another topic with all of you. On Monday I had >>>>> a conversation with my mobility instructor during my training >>>>> session at UCF. We were talking about the importance of traveling >>>>> independently as blind individuals. I got very emotional while we >>>>> were having this conversation and began to cry. Because I've never >>>>> traveled independently in the community, I lack the experience of >>>>> traveling on my own. Can each of you tell me your stories about >>>>> inarependent travel? Hope to hear from you soon. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comc >>>>> ast.net >>> >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson >> %40visi.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmai >>> l.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast. >> net > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com From nabs.president at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 14:51:27 2016 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (NABS President) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:51:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Never too early to be thinking of next summer: Summer 2017 NASA Internship Announcement for Students with Disabilities References: Message-ID: Kathryn Webster President, National Association of Blind Students (203) 273-8463 Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded mesage: > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: "Silberman, Kenneth A. (GSFC-1600)" >> >> NASA is looking to increase the number of students with disabilities pursuing science, technology, engineering, and math (STEM) careers through our regular internship programs. This is not a program for students with disabilities. We are trying to recruit more students with disabilities into our regular internship programs. Disability means both physical and mental disabilities. NASA has a two-percent hiring goal for employment of people with disabilities and internships are a good way to get experience. However, this is not an employment program. NASA jobs can be found at . Students can apply for Summer 2017 internships on or about November 10, 2016. The deadline for submitting applications will be on or about March 1, 2017. We will begin extending offers to students in mid-to-late January and will continue until all positions are filled. If you would like to subscribe to an announcement-only list about NASA internships for persons with disabilities, please send an E-mail to nasainterns-request at freelists.org with 'subscribe' in the Subject field, OR by visiting the list page at http://www.freelists.org/list/nasainterns. >> >> We encourage you to apply early because the best opportunities are likely to be filled early. Plus, your likelihood of being selected decreases the longer you wait. Don’t be surprised if you don’t see many internship opportunities in November. They start to appear in numbers in mid-to-late December. You can register for an account anytime at the One Stop Shopping Initiative (OSSI): NASA Internships, Fellowships, and Scholarships (NIFS) at http://intern.nasa.gov/. All material that you wish to have considered must be uploaded to the OSSI website. No documentation will be accepted that is E-mailed or snail mailed. >> >> Summer 2017 internships run from early June through early August for undergraduate and graduate students. Internships run from late June through early August for high school students. All student interns get paid. The high school stipend for Summer 2016 was $2,100.00 for a six-week internship. The Summer 2016 undergraduate stipend for a ten-week internship was $6,000.00. The Summer 2016 graduate stipend for a ten-week internship was $7,500.00. As an intern, you are responsible for your own housing. NASA internships for college and high school students are also offered during Spring, Fall and Year Long Sessions through the OSSI website. >> >> NASA has internships for high school students and for rising freshmen through doctoral students in STEM fields. A rising freshman is a high school student who has been accepted to an accredited institution of higher learning, i.e., a college or university, at the time of the internship. >> Applicants must be U.S. citizens, with a minimum GPA of 3.0 for college and 3.0 for high school; however, applicants must understand that the competition for internships is keen. High school students must be at least sixteen years old at the time the internship begins. >> >> >> Internships are available at all NASA centers nationwide. It is important to remember that applying is a two-step process. The first step is to fill out everything in OSSI. The second step is to select and apply to specific internship opportunities. Students can submit a completed application whether they apply to an opportunity or not. However, applying to opportunities has the advantage of allowing applicants to be considered by mentors who work in disciplines of interest and at a particular center. Applicants may apply to as many as fifteen opportunities. >> >> For example, an opportunity having to do with the Solar Dynamics Observatory (SDO) will be at the Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland because SDO is located there. Not applying to an opportunity means that prospective interns will be hoping that a mentor happens to read their applications rather than directing their applications to mentors in fields and at centers of interest. >> >> Students who are selected for Summer internships will receive an offer letter by E-mail sometime after mid-January 2017. They will then have five calendar days to either accept or reject the offer through their OSSI: NIFS account. The offer will automatically expire after five calendar days if no action is taken. >> >> Please feel free to contact me for more information or help with applying. >> >> >> >> Kenneth A. Silberman, Esq. >> U.S. Supreme Court, Maryland, & Patent Bars >> B.A., M.Eng., J.D. >> NASA Engineer & Registered Patent Attorney >> Education Office Code 160 >> NASA/GSFC Mailstop 160 >> Bldg. 28 Rm. N165 >> Greenbelt, MD 20771, USA >> Voice: (301) 286-9281 >> Fax: (301) 286-1655 >> E-mail: kenneth.a.silberman at nasa.gov >> Office Location: Building 28 Room W151 From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 15:11:46 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 11:11:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] The Importance Of Independent Travel In-Reply-To: <00ff01d1e35e$e35b0880$aa111980$@gmail.com> References: <20140828114632925@spamfilter-2.visi.com> <578ffc21.5d3bed0a.4c5ec.f26eSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <001a01d1e353$148cfd70$3da6f850$@gmail.com> <9F3DD550-92DC-4709-BACA-FFC2ADD5285B@gmail.com> <00ff01d1e35e$e35b0880$aa111980$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004501d1e362$333bc3f0$99b34bd0$@gmail.com> Nope, I like that response. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 10:48 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Jameyanne Fuller Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Importance Of Independent Travel I've had people tell me, "If I was blind, I would just lie in bed all day. I wouldn't be able to do anything." And my response to this is always "I highly doubt that. Eventually you'd have to pee." Possibly not appropriate, but it's just such a stupid thing to say. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 9:32 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: rbacchus228 at gmail.com Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Importance Of Independent Travel I agree with you. Sent from my iPad > On Jul 21, 2016, at 9:23 AM, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: > > I agree. Super blind to me is a little disrespectful, as well as when > someone says, "you're just so independent." Or, I'd fall flat on my > face if > I had to do that. I always say, no you wouldn't, you'd do the same > thing I > do. > Justin > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis > via NABS-L > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 6:32 PM > To: Arielle Silverman ; National Association of > Blind Students mailing list ; Steve Jacobson > ; National Association of Blind Students > mailing list > Cc: Carly Mihalakis > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Importance Of Independent Travel > > Exactly.At 04:02 PM 8/28/2014, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l wrote: >> Yes. And I have to ask, Would we call somebody "super-sightie" >> because they go places completely on their own, by car or on foot? I >> suspect not, so then why is a blind person who does the same thing >> "super-blind?" Why do we hold blindpeople to a different standard of >> independence than the sighted? >> >> Arielle >> >>> On 8/28/14, Steve Jacobson via nabs-l wrote: >>> Carly, >>> >>> As a blind person, I am aware and even concerned with how my actions >>> might affect other blind people, and therefore do my best not to use >>> help I don't need. Having said that, my primary reasons for trying >>> to travel as independently as possible have little to do with >>> proving anything >> to anyone. >>> I wil readily admit that if someone more or less forces me to be >>> assisted to do something for which I do not need assistance, I do >>> feel moved to show them that the assistance was not required if the >>> opportunity arises. For example, if someone insists I take an >>> elevator instead of the steps when the stairs are more convenient, I >>> will probably push to take the steps since I know they won't be a >>> problem. I probably wouldn't do that with a heavy suitcase, though, >>> but I might take an escalator. I wouldn't do either, though, if I >>> didn't feel confident that I could do it. .To the greatest degree >>> possible, I want to be in control of my own destiny. I can't always >>> have the control I want, but I work hard to have as much as is >>> possible. >>> >>> Years ago I went to the airport to fly to Washington DC. When I got >>> to the counter and received my gate information, I asked for >>> directions to the gate. When the person >> behind the >>> counter acted confused, I asked if he would just tell me which >>> direction to go from the counter. I was told they would get me an >>> electric cart and that I should wait. I was a little new to airport >>> travel at that time but I asked again for directions noting that I >>> did not need an electric cart. To make this long story shorter, the >>> person would not give me directions and refused to help me in any >>> way except to insist that I wait for an employee with a cart. Carts >>> were apparently in short supply that day and I waited and waited, >>> not feeling I should advocate. Nowadays, I would have just picked a >>> direction and asked someone else but I was too timmid then. After >>> repeated calls for a cart, one finally arrived forty-five minutes >>> later. When I got to the gate, everyone was on the plane and I just >>> barely made it. I decided then I was not going to be in that >>> position again. In addition, someone else had to wait longer for >>> that cart, probably someone who really needed it, and an airport >>> employee was tied up offering me help I neither needed or requested. >>> The more independently one can travel the more options they have, >>> and the better it is for everyone. >>> >>> Traveling independently is an important part of most jobs. By >>> "independently," I don't mean that one never asks for help or even >>> that we all have the same ability to travel. However, I have >>> meetings with other people I need to attend and I'm often the only >>> one in my area of the building attending. >>> If I want to be hired for a job, I >>> have to be able to add as little extra to what I expect from my >>> employer as possible. Even though I'm a computer analyst, this >>> means being able to travel around the complex I work in as >>> independently as possible. Could someone who has more difficulty >>> traveling do the job I am doing? Yes, they certainly could, but >>> they might need to work out strategies that inconvenience their >>> co-workers as little as possible. >>> They would not likely succeed in the long run by grabbing the >>> shoulder of "ol' sighty" out by the escalator. At least a little >>> thought needs to be given to the possible inconvenience of the >>> person from who you are more or less demanding help. >>> >>> Finally, I have to say something about this superblind thing. In my >>> experience, this is a term used by people who want to remove all >>> responsibility from themselves to be as independent as their >>> abilities allow. If you have an injury that prevents you from >>> handling certain aspects of travel, that certainly has to be taken >>> into account. We are not all going to be the same. But does that >>> mean you should >> urge others >>> to not strive for as much >>> independence as possible? That does not seem fair to me at all. I >>> knew a man once who told me that he didn't have to learn to travel >>> independently because he had a wife and five kids and a secretary >>> who worked for him. I know for a fact that his secretary guided him >>> to the men's bathroom. If he had some sort of learning disability >>> that made independent travel impossible, then I would certainly >>> accept that he was managing as he could. However, I also knew that >>> he had rejected any attempts to teach him independent travel which >>> was why it was thought it would be helpful for me to talk to him and >>> show up at his office on my own. >>> He lost his sight while holding the >>> job he had and apparently managed well enough to keep his job, but >>> he would have had a difficult time getting the job he had with his >>> attitude. >>> >>> We are never all going to achieve the same degree of >> independence. Further, >>> interdependence is a part of any >>> civilized society to some degree. Still we will never achieve >>> without striving. We will never know what we can do without >>> sometimes discovering things we cannot do. Many of us routinely >>> cross busy streets, but i'll bet there was not a single one of us >>> who was not scared to cross that first >> street, or >>> maybe the first dozen streets. But >>> if we had never taken that first scarey step, we wouldn't be >>> crossing the streets we cross routinely. Helping each other strive >>> to achieve more helps us achieve more, but it >> doesn't mean >>> we achieve everything for which we >>> strive, but that's okay. One very rarely ever achieves something by >>> accident, though, one has to strive to achieve first. I do not find >>> the fact that there are blind people who have done things that I do >>> not do as unsettling, rather it reminds me that there may be things >>> I could do as a blind person that I simply have not yet discovered. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Steve Jacobson >>> >>>> On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 04:45:01 -0700, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l wrote: >>>> >>>> Good morning, >>> >>>> Personally, I like to think of it as interdependent travel, >>>> recruting your fellow man, and sort of directing him where you need >>>> to > go. >>>> Admittedly, this means of travel found me after becoming injured >>>> such that I was unable to keep track of direction and what they >>>> call rout reversal, became for me no more than a pipe dream. >>> >>>> In my experience, however, if you just let go of this idea that to >>>> prove to Ol'Sighty of blindness' being what is it, little more >>>> than a mere inconvenience, everyone must be some kind of super >>>> blink whom, by simply waving his long, white cane can travel any >>>> course, under any circumstances in pitch ocular darkness. Sure, >>>> this social construct is certainly possible to live within and many >>>> people do it, but not everybody is super Federationist blink! >>> >>>> After all, interpersonal contact, I believe, is more of a palpable, >>>> alternative to demonstrating to Ol'Sighty things of which most of >>>> us are capable, that Ol'Sighty might remember. I'm fond of >>>> iterating that Ol'Sighty cares not about the means to which the >>>> blink reaches the same ends, noticing only that, eventually he gets >>>> there. So, if it becomes a matter of walking through an airport, >>>> say, to demonstrate to Ol'Sighty ways in which most blinks can, and >>>> do advocate for themselves, it may be a plausible course of action >>>> to grab Ol'Sighty from one of the hoards that are invariably around >>>> and, placing your hand on his shoulder, tell him where you need to >>>> be and see if he can help you. Of course, should he be in a hurry >>>> you can find someone else, but wait for an indication of said >>>> sighted person being unable to help. It is in this way you can >>>> actually have a conversation with a sighted person, maybe even >>>> exchange > names? >>>> Agreed, the super blink means of seamlessly gliding through a crowd >>>> is intimidating, and not exactly if I may say so myself, realistic >>>> of every blink. Let that go! Probably, you are not a super blink, >>>> at least by their rigid standards. >>>> for today, Car >>>> 408-209-3239 >>>> :52 AM 7/16/2014, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: >>>>> Dear Students, >>>>> >>>>> I'd like to discuss another topic with all of you. On Monday I >>>>> had a conversation with my mobility instructor during my training >>>>> session at UCF. We were talking about the importance of traveling >>>>> independently as blind individuals. I got very emotional while we >>>>> were having this conversation and began to cry. Because I've >>>>> never traveled independently in the community, I lack the >>>>> experience of traveling on my own. Can each of you tell me your >>>>> stories about inarependent travel? Hope to hear from you soon. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40com >>>>> c >>>>> ast.net >>> >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson >> %40visi.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmai >>> l.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast. >> net > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Jul 21 16:27:33 2016 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:27:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Responses requested; thank you in advance! In-Reply-To: <03b301d1e2e0$23a56a90$6af03fb0$@gmail.com> References: <038b01d1e2d6$a864ebc0$f92ec340$@gmail.com><1D7AC6F0-2938-4331-AA1D-59921F693720@gmail.com> <03b301d1e2e0$23a56a90$6af03fb0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, Yes the wallmart site is a problem. However, that would be separate advocacy. This specific advocacy is for services on state and local websites. I plan to bring up inaccessible college websites and application processes for county employment. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: NABS President via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 7:40 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: NABS President Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Responses requested; thank you in advance! Todd, Yes; share it far and wide. Firms need to be held accountable for their lack of accessibility. Please do bring your concern to that online form so we have a universal place to gather suggestions, ideas, and concerns. Thanks for your contributions, Kathryn -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Todd via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 7:34 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: todd.orlowski11 at gmail.com Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Responses requested; thank you in advance! Kathryn Something needs to be done about the Walmart website. I mentioned it to the higher ups in the company and nothing has been done thus far. Todd Orlowski Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 20, 2016, at 5:32 PM, NABS President via NABS-L wrote: > > Fellow students, > > > > Please join me in reading the below message from our national president, Mr. Mark Riccobono. I, along with our National Federation of the Blind leaders, thank you in advance for your comments, as it is incredibly important for all of us to share. > > > > Comments Needed on Web Access: > > As you know, the Department of Justice (DOJ) has issued a Supplemental Advanced Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (SANPRM) on the question of whether technical standards for web accessibility under Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) are needed to enable people with disabilities to access the services, programs, and activities offered on state and local government websites. The answer, of course, is yes; we need technical standards, and we need your help to make it happen. Please use the webform, https://nfb.org/titleiisanprm/comments, to submit your comments to DOJ. For technical assistance, please contact Kyle Walls at kwalls at nfb.org . > > > > Best, > > Kathryn Webster > > President | National Association of Blind Students > > Nabs.president at gmail.com > > 203-273-8463 > > Students.nfb.org > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/todd.orlowski11%40gmail. com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.c om _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 22:22:48 2016 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 18:22:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] The Importance Of Independent Travel In-Reply-To: References: <53c69198.461bec0a.1674.5112@mx.google.com> <09B1086C-9B13-4D2A-9538-C00ECCAF7717@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all, Admittedly I was surprised to see such an old thread come back, but this topic never stops being important for us. I'd recommend talking to one of the training center directors in addition to graduates to see what they say about the program. Arielle is right that you don't have to have any certain level of skill to attend; improving skills for everyone, regardless of their current strengths and weaknesses is what the centers are for. Ideally, talking to graduates and directors from each of the centers would be good if you are serious about going, so you can decide which program might be the best fit for you. I have not attended a center but do know graduates from Louisiana, Colorado, and Blind Inc. All are great programs but have some slight differences. Living away from home really does open up tons of doors for independence not just in travel, but in home management, cooking, and in learning self-advocacy skills. I didn't learn to use a stove or oven propperly until I was away from my family at college and had a chance to teach myself without someone freaking out about possible burns. Same goes for travel; when you're forced to travel yourself rather than take Mom or Dad's offers for rides all the time, you gain more confidence in your abilities. I forget who suggested it, but traveling under sleep shades is a fantastic exercise you can do on your own as well. I have done it a few times myself just to keep my skills up, and it really does help. Once you gain the confidence with doing this in familiar settings you can try it with less familiar routes, and when you're able to do those confidently you'll just have more options in travel. I found that once I reached this point I was also able to be more assertive with my family, and whereas before I felt like I had to ask them if I could walk to somewhere close to my house because they'd worry about me walking down a busy road I'd just say, "Mom, I'm running to Walgreens, let me know if you want me to grab anything," and leave. I've found that the barriers we face with concerned family members aren't as hard to overcome if you're confident in your own skills and can show them that you can navigate safely and effectively to where you want to go. Hope this helps. From nabs.president at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 22:27:40 2016 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (NABS President) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 18:27:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FINALLY: THE KEY TO SUCCESS! Message-ID: <046801d1e39f$17cb26f0$476174d0$@gmail.com> Finally, what you all have been waiting for: NABS' Student Success Toolkits! After astonishing feedback from National Convention, our student division decided to sell the Student Success Toolkits online for your personal use! Our 4 gb Flash drives contain the following software, Tutorials, resources, Templates, and information To ensure you are the most successful student you can be. Software: * NVDA Now, you can walk up to any computer, plug it in, and launch a free screen reader for anytime use! TUTORIALS: * Excel * Outlook * PowerPoint * LaTeX TEMPLATES * Sample cover letters * Sample resumes/CV's * A bunch of professional documents to help you get your dream job RESOURCES: * LSAT Practice Test * NFB literature, including speeches and documents * The NFB Self-Advocacy Toolkit * Personal student testimonies from each of our training centers HEALTH/FITNESS * A plethora of exercise tips, tricks, and recipes so you can stay fit, while flourishing in and out of the classroom These handy thumb drives will be mailed to you personally. Once you fill out the below form and payment is received by our Treasurer, I will put one in the mail for you! Each flash drive costs just $10! Our target audience is future students, current students, non-traditional students, avid learners, parents, and anyone else who considers themselves intellectually curious. To order the drive, visit https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0FJAEhElmWp_Smg2zM8DTRT9Sqmg1bhVv GEy_2pxZODSUBg/viewform?c=0&w=1 or visit our homepage students.nfb.org to share with your friends and peers. We accept PayPal, Venmo, and checks! Please reach out to Luke Schwinck (luke.schwinck at hotmail.com) or myself (nabs.president at gmail.com) with any questions! Happy learning, fellow students, Kathryn Webster President | National Association of Blind Students 203-273-8463 Nabs.president at gmail.com Nabslink.org @nabslink From shannon.cantan at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 22:49:30 2016 From: shannon.cantan at gmail.com (shannon.cantan at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:49:30 -1000 Subject: [nabs-l] FINALLY: THE KEY TO SUCCESS! In-Reply-To: <046801d1e39f$17cb26f0$476174d0$@gmail.com> References: <046801d1e39f$17cb26f0$476174d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2C146D28-D2FD-4FBF-937F-F6A3CBCE4600@gmail.com> Just to clarify, the URL spread between 2 different lines, so in order to access the link, you must copy and paste both lines into the address bar rather than simply clicking on it. -Shannon > On Jul 21, 2016, at 12:27 PM, NABS President via NABS-L wrote: > > > Finally, what you all have been waiting for: NABS' Student Success Toolkits! > > After astonishing feedback from National Convention, our student division > decided to sell the Student Success Toolkits online for your personal use! > Our 4 gb Flash drives contain the following software, Tutorials, resources, > Templates, and information To ensure you are the most successful student you > can be. > > Software: > * NVDA > Now, you can walk up to any computer, plug it in, and launch a free screen > reader for anytime use! > > TUTORIALS: > * Excel > * Outlook > * PowerPoint > * LaTeX > > TEMPLATES > * Sample cover letters > * Sample resumes/CV's > * A bunch of professional documents to help you get your dream job > > RESOURCES: > * LSAT Practice Test > * NFB literature, including speeches and documents > * The NFB Self-Advocacy Toolkit > * Personal student testimonies from each of our training centers > > HEALTH/FITNESS > * A plethora of exercise tips, tricks, and recipes so you can stay fit, > while flourishing in and out of the classroom > > These handy thumb drives will be mailed to you personally. Once you fill out > the below form and payment is received by our Treasurer, I will put one in > the mail for you! > Each flash drive costs just $10! Our target audience is future students, > current students, non-traditional students, avid learners, parents, and > anyone else who considers themselves intellectually curious. > > To order the drive, visit > https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0FJAEhElmWp_Smg2zM8DTRT9Sqmg1bhVv > GEy_2pxZODSUBg/viewform?c=0&w=1 > or visit our homepage students.nfb.org to share with your friends and > peers. > We accept PayPal, Venmo, and checks! > > Please reach out to Luke Schwinck (luke.schwinck at hotmail.com) or myself > (nabs.president at gmail.com) with any questions! > > Happy learning, fellow students, > Kathryn Webster > President | National Association of Blind Students > 203-273-8463 > Nabs.president at gmail.com > Nabslink.org > @nabslink > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/shannon.cantan%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 22:52:34 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 18:52:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FINALLY: THE KEY TO SUCCESS! In-Reply-To: <046801d1e39f$17cb26f0$476174d0$@gmail.com> References: <046801d1e39f$17cb26f0$476174d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000201d1e3a2$9253d630$b6fb8290$@gmail.com> Where do we put the pay pal info? Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of NABS President via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 6:28 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: NABS President ; board at nabslink.org Subject: [nabs-l] FINALLY: THE KEY TO SUCCESS! Finally, what you all have been waiting for: NABS' Student Success Toolkits! After astonishing feedback from National Convention, our student division decided to sell the Student Success Toolkits online for your personal use! Our 4 gb Flash drives contain the following software, Tutorials, resources, Templates, and information To ensure you are the most successful student you can be. Software: * NVDA Now, you can walk up to any computer, plug it in, and launch a free screen reader for anytime use! TUTORIALS: * Excel * Outlook * PowerPoint * LaTeX TEMPLATES * Sample cover letters * Sample resumes/CV's * A bunch of professional documents to help you get your dream job RESOURCES: * LSAT Practice Test * NFB literature, including speeches and documents * The NFB Self-Advocacy Toolkit * Personal student testimonies from each of our training centers HEALTH/FITNESS * A plethora of exercise tips, tricks, and recipes so you can stay fit, while flourishing in and out of the classroom These handy thumb drives will be mailed to you personally. Once you fill out the below form and payment is received by our Treasurer, I will put one in the mail for you! Each flash drive costs just $10! Our target audience is future students, current students, non-traditional students, avid learners, parents, and anyone else who considers themselves intellectually curious. To order the drive, visit https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0FJAEhElmWp_Smg2zM8DTRT9Sqmg1bhVv GEy_2pxZODSUBg/viewform?c=0&w=1 or visit our homepage students.nfb.org to share with your friends and peers. We accept PayPal, Venmo, and checks! Please reach out to Luke Schwinck (luke.schwinck at hotmail.com) or myself (nabs.president at gmail.com) with any questions! Happy learning, fellow students, Kathryn Webster President | National Association of Blind Students 203-273-8463 Nabs.president at gmail.com Nabslink.org @nabslink _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 22:53:06 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 18:53:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FINALLY: THE KEY TO SUCCESS! In-Reply-To: <2C146D28-D2FD-4FBF-937F-F6A3CBCE4600@gmail.com> References: <046801d1e39f$17cb26f0$476174d0$@gmail.com> <2C146D28-D2FD-4FBF-937F-F6A3CBCE4600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000301d1e3a2$a5988ba0$f0c9a2e0$@gmail.com> Thank you Shannon. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shannon Cantan via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 6:50 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: shannon.cantan at gmail.com Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FINALLY: THE KEY TO SUCCESS! Just to clarify, the URL spread between 2 different lines, so in order to access the link, you must copy and paste both lines into the address bar rather than simply clicking on it. -Shannon > On Jul 21, 2016, at 12:27 PM, NABS President via NABS-L wrote: > > > Finally, what you all have been waiting for: NABS' Student Success Toolkits! > > After astonishing feedback from National Convention, our student > division decided to sell the Student Success Toolkits online for your personal use! > Our 4 gb Flash drives contain the following software, Tutorials, > resources, Templates, and information To ensure you are the most > successful student you can be. > > Software: > * NVDA > Now, you can walk up to any computer, plug it in, and launch a free > screen reader for anytime use! > > TUTORIALS: > * Excel > * Outlook > * PowerPoint > * LaTeX > > TEMPLATES > * Sample cover letters > * Sample resumes/CV's > * A bunch of professional documents to help you get your dream job > > RESOURCES: > * LSAT Practice Test > * NFB literature, including speeches and documents > * The NFB Self-Advocacy Toolkit > * Personal student testimonies from each of our training centers > > HEALTH/FITNESS > * A plethora of exercise tips, tricks, and recipes so you can stay > fit, while flourishing in and out of the classroom > > These handy thumb drives will be mailed to you personally. Once you > fill out the below form and payment is received by our Treasurer, I > will put one in the mail for you! > Each flash drive costs just $10! Our target audience is future > students, current students, non-traditional students, avid learners, > parents, and anyone else who considers themselves intellectually curious. > > To order the drive, visit > https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0FJAEhElmWp_Smg2zM8DTRT9Sqm > g1bhVv > GEy_2pxZODSUBg/viewform?c=0&w=1 > or visit our homepage students.nfb.org to share with your friends and > peers. > We accept PayPal, Venmo, and checks! > > Please reach out to Luke Schwinck (luke.schwinck at hotmail.com) or > myself > (nabs.president at gmail.com) with any questions! > > Happy learning, fellow students, > Kathryn Webster > President | National Association of Blind Students > 203-273-8463 > Nabs.president at gmail.com > Nabslink.org > @nabslink > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/shannon.cantan%40g > mail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From nabs.president at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 23:06:05 2016 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (NABS President) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 19:06:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FINALLY: THE KEY TO SUCCESS! In-Reply-To: <000201d1e3a2$9253d630$b6fb8290$@gmail.com> References: <046801d1e39f$17cb26f0$476174d0$@gmail.com> <000201d1e3a2$9253d630$b6fb8290$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <04f401d1e3a4$7600ca40$62025ec0$@gmail.com> Justin, If you check the box to pay using PayPal, you simply submit the form, and then pay through PayPal by searching National Association of Blind Students. Best, Kathryn -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin Williams via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 6:53 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Justin Williams Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FINALLY: THE KEY TO SUCCESS! Where do we put the pay pal info? Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of NABS President via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 6:28 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: NABS President ; board at nabslink.org Subject: [nabs-l] FINALLY: THE KEY TO SUCCESS! Finally, what you all have been waiting for: NABS' Student Success Toolkits! After astonishing feedback from National Convention, our student division decided to sell the Student Success Toolkits online for your personal use! Our 4 gb Flash drives contain the following software, Tutorials, resources, Templates, and information To ensure you are the most successful student you can be. Software: * NVDA Now, you can walk up to any computer, plug it in, and launch a free screen reader for anytime use! TUTORIALS: * Excel * Outlook * PowerPoint * LaTeX TEMPLATES * Sample cover letters * Sample resumes/CV's * A bunch of professional documents to help you get your dream job RESOURCES: * LSAT Practice Test * NFB literature, including speeches and documents * The NFB Self-Advocacy Toolkit * Personal student testimonies from each of our training centers HEALTH/FITNESS * A plethora of exercise tips, tricks, and recipes so you can stay fit, while flourishing in and out of the classroom These handy thumb drives will be mailed to you personally. Once you fill out the below form and payment is received by our Treasurer, I will put one in the mail for you! Each flash drive costs just $10! Our target audience is future students, current students, non-traditional students, avid learners, parents, and anyone else who considers themselves intellectually curious. To order the drive, visit https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0FJAEhElmWp_Smg2zM8DTRT9Sqmg1bhVv GEy_2pxZODSUBg/viewform?c=0&w=1 or visit our homepage students.nfb.org to share with your friends and peers. We accept PayPal, Venmo, and checks! Please reach out to Luke Schwinck (luke.schwinck at hotmail.com) or myself (nabs.president at gmail.com) with any questions! Happy learning, fellow students, Kathryn Webster President | National Association of Blind Students 203-273-8463 Nabs.president at gmail.com Nabslink.org @nabslink _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.c om From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 23:11:40 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 19:11:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FINALLY: THE KEY TO SUCCESS! In-Reply-To: <04f401d1e3a4$7600ca40$62025ec0$@gmail.com> References: <046801d1e39f$17cb26f0$476174d0$@gmail.com> <000201d1e3a2$9253d630$b6fb8290$@gmail.com> <04f401d1e3a4$7600ca40$62025ec0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001701d1e3a5$3dc673e0$b9535ba0$@gmail.com> Okay. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of NABS President via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:06 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: NABS President Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FINALLY: THE KEY TO SUCCESS! Justin, If you check the box to pay using PayPal, you simply submit the form, and then pay through PayPal by searching National Association of Blind Students. Best, Kathryn -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin Williams via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 6:53 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Justin Williams Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FINALLY: THE KEY TO SUCCESS! Where do we put the pay pal info? Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of NABS President via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 6:28 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: NABS President ; board at nabslink.org Subject: [nabs-l] FINALLY: THE KEY TO SUCCESS! Finally, what you all have been waiting for: NABS' Student Success Toolkits! After astonishing feedback from National Convention, our student division decided to sell the Student Success Toolkits online for your personal use! Our 4 gb Flash drives contain the following software, Tutorials, resources, Templates, and information To ensure you are the most successful student you can be. Software: * NVDA Now, you can walk up to any computer, plug it in, and launch a free screen reader for anytime use! TUTORIALS: * Excel * Outlook * PowerPoint * LaTeX TEMPLATES * Sample cover letters * Sample resumes/CV's * A bunch of professional documents to help you get your dream job RESOURCES: * LSAT Practice Test * NFB literature, including speeches and documents * The NFB Self-Advocacy Toolkit * Personal student testimonies from each of our training centers HEALTH/FITNESS * A plethora of exercise tips, tricks, and recipes so you can stay fit, while flourishing in and out of the classroom These handy thumb drives will be mailed to you personally. Once you fill out the below form and payment is received by our Treasurer, I will put one in the mail for you! Each flash drive costs just $10! Our target audience is future students, current students, non-traditional students, avid learners, parents, and anyone else who considers themselves intellectually curious. To order the drive, visit https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0FJAEhElmWp_Smg2zM8DTRT9Sqmg1bhVv GEy_2pxZODSUBg/viewform?c=0&w=1 or visit our homepage students.nfb.org to share with your friends and peers. We accept PayPal, Venmo, and checks! Please reach out to Luke Schwinck (luke.schwinck at hotmail.com) or myself (nabs.president at gmail.com) with any questions! Happy learning, fellow students, Kathryn Webster President | National Association of Blind Students 203-273-8463 Nabs.president at gmail.com Nabslink.org @nabslink _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.c om _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 23:38:09 2016 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 19:38:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Database accessibility Message-ID: Hi all, The recent discussion on academic challenges has got me thinking. Especially for those of you who are in fields where reesearch is an important part of what you are/will be doing following college, how do you navigate around inaccessible databases online? I have a working system in place with disability services to tide me over through the remainder of my undergraduate career including my required internship after graduation, but thinking long-term I'm concerned about this issue being problematic if I ever decide to do research on my own, or am invited by colleagues to participate in a study. I obviously would want to do my fair share of lit reviews if that were the case, so I'd love to hear if anyone has tips or tricks that go beyond using resources from the disability services office at your university. I should add that I am still trying to figure out an accessible way to access my professional organization's journals online, which is a huge part of this problem I think. The database I find the most helpful is from Temple University but it links directly to these journal articles in many cases, which is the major hang-up there. On a more short-term note, one of the things my professors want me to do is to expand the sources I use for research papers since I tend to rely on the tried-and true databases and resources that I have the least amount of hassle in reading. I completely understand where they're coming from and why having information from a variety of sources would lend credence to evidence. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, -- Kaiti Shelton From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 23:46:08 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 19:46:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Database accessibility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001e01d1e3aa$0e284280$2a78c780$@gmail.com> Books from the bard website, learning ally, and some articles from reputable online sites could help. I know books take a while to read sometimes, but they can help with backing up evidence. Justin , -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:38 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Kaiti Shelton Subject: [nabs-l] Database accessibility Hi all, The recent discussion on academic challenges has got me thinking. Especially for those of you who are in fields where reesearch is an important part of what you are/will be doing following college, how do you navigate around inaccessible databases online? I have a working system in place with disability services to tide me over through the remainder of my undergraduate career including my required internship after graduation, but thinking long-term I'm concerned about this issue being problematic if I ever decide to do research on my own, or am invited by colleagues to participate in a study. I obviously would want to do my fair share of lit reviews if that were the case, so I'd love to hear if anyone has tips or tricks that go beyond using resources from the disability services office at your university. I should add that I am still trying to figure out an accessible way to access my professional organization's journals online, which is a huge part of this problem I think. The database I find the most helpful is from Temple University but it links directly to these journal articles in many cases, which is the major hang-up there. On a more short-term note, one of the things my professors want me to do is to expand the sources I use for research papers since I tend to rely on the tried-and true databases and resources that I have the least amount of hassle in reading. I completely understand where they're coming from and why having information from a variety of sources would lend credence to evidence. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, -- Kaiti Shelton _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From member at paypal.com Fri Jul 22 00:32:17 2016 From: member at paypal.com (Justin Williams via PayPal) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 17:32:17 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] {Disarmed} $10.00 from Justin Williams Message-ID: <1469147537.15965@paypal.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 00:34:52 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 20:34:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FINALLY: THE KEY TO SUCCESS! In-Reply-To: <04f401d1e3a4$7600ca40$62025ec0$@gmail.com> References: <046801d1e39f$17cb26f0$476174d0$@gmail.com> <000201d1e3a2$9253d630$b6fb8290$@gmail.com> <04f401d1e3a4$7600ca40$62025ec0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003101d1e3b0$dd219590$9764c0b0$@gmail.com> I'm not sure my address went through with the Pay pal. It's 1909 Wayne Street Columbia South Carolina 29201 Congradulations on your successful run to the presidency. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of NABS President via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:06 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: NABS President Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FINALLY: THE KEY TO SUCCESS! Justin, If you check the box to pay using PayPal, you simply submit the form, and then pay through PayPal by searching National Association of Blind Students. Best, Kathryn -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin Williams via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 6:53 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Justin Williams Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FINALLY: THE KEY TO SUCCESS! Where do we put the pay pal info? Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of NABS President via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 6:28 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: NABS President ; board at nabslink.org Subject: [nabs-l] FINALLY: THE KEY TO SUCCESS! Finally, what you all have been waiting for: NABS' Student Success Toolkits! After astonishing feedback from National Convention, our student division decided to sell the Student Success Toolkits online for your personal use! Our 4 gb Flash drives contain the following software, Tutorials, resources, Templates, and information To ensure you are the most successful student you can be. Software: * NVDA Now, you can walk up to any computer, plug it in, and launch a free screen reader for anytime use! TUTORIALS: * Excel * Outlook * PowerPoint * LaTeX TEMPLATES * Sample cover letters * Sample resumes/CV's * A bunch of professional documents to help you get your dream job RESOURCES: * LSAT Practice Test * NFB literature, including speeches and documents * The NFB Self-Advocacy Toolkit * Personal student testimonies from each of our training centers HEALTH/FITNESS * A plethora of exercise tips, tricks, and recipes so you can stay fit, while flourishing in and out of the classroom These handy thumb drives will be mailed to you personally. Once you fill out the below form and payment is received by our Treasurer, I will put one in the mail for you! Each flash drive costs just $10! Our target audience is future students, current students, non-traditional students, avid learners, parents, and anyone else who considers themselves intellectually curious. To order the drive, visit https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0FJAEhElmWp_Smg2zM8DTRT9Sqmg1bhVv GEy_2pxZODSUBg/viewform?c=0&w=1 or visit our homepage students.nfb.org to share with your friends and peers. We accept PayPal, Venmo, and checks! Please reach out to Luke Schwinck (luke.schwinck at hotmail.com) or myself (nabs.president at gmail.com) with any questions! Happy learning, fellow students, Kathryn Webster President | National Association of Blind Students 203-273-8463 Nabs.president at gmail.com Nabslink.org @nabslink _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.c om _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 01:37:38 2016 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 21:37:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FINALLY: THE KEY TO SUCCESS! In-Reply-To: <003101d1e3b0$dd219590$9764c0b0$@gmail.com> References: <046801d1e39f$17cb26f0$476174d0$@gmail.com> <000201d1e3a2$9253d630$b6fb8290$@gmail.com> <04f401d1e3a4$7600ca40$62025ec0$@gmail.com> <003101d1e3b0$dd219590$9764c0b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Justin. This is Helga. How are you? Can you paste the link below in ordr to be able to open with my Iphone 6S? I wwill really appreciate it a lot! since I would like to buy the thumb drive, but I want to do it on my iphone. I look forward in hering form you soon. Thanks and God bless! Helga Schreiber Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students. Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Skype: helga.schreiber26 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx INT Website: http://int4life.com/ "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.2 > On Jul 21, 2016, at 8:34 PM, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: > > I'm not sure my address went through with the Pay pal. > > It's 1909 Wayne Street Columbia South Carolina 29201 > Congradulations on your successful run to the presidency. > > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of NABS President > via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:06 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > > Cc: NABS President > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FINALLY: THE KEY TO SUCCESS! > > Justin, > > If you check the box to pay using PayPal, you simply submit the form, and > then pay through PayPal by searching National Association of Blind Students. > > Best, > Kathryn > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin Williams > via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 6:53 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Cc: Justin Williams > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FINALLY: THE KEY TO SUCCESS! > > Where do we put the pay pal info? > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of NABS President > via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 6:28 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > > Cc: NABS President ; board at nabslink.org > Subject: [nabs-l] FINALLY: THE KEY TO SUCCESS! > > > Finally, what you all have been waiting for: NABS' Student Success Toolkits! > > After astonishing feedback from National Convention, our student division > decided to sell the Student Success Toolkits online for your personal use! > Our 4 gb Flash drives contain the following software, Tutorials, resources, > Templates, and information To ensure you are the most successful student you > can be. > > Software: > * NVDA > Now, you can walk up to any computer, plug it in, and launch a free screen > reader for anytime use! > > TUTORIALS: > * Excel > * Outlook > * PowerPoint > * LaTeX > > TEMPLATES > * Sample cover letters > * Sample resumes/CV's > * A bunch of professional documents to help you get your dream job > > RESOURCES: > * LSAT Practice Test > * NFB literature, including speeches and documents > * The NFB Self-Advocacy Toolkit > * Personal student testimonies from each of our training centers > > HEALTH/FITNESS > * A plethora of exercise tips, tricks, and recipes so you can stay fit, > while flourishing in and out of the classroom > > These handy thumb drives will be mailed to you personally. Once you fill out > the below form and payment is received by our Treasurer, I will put one in > the mail for you! > Each flash drive costs just $10! Our target audience is future students, > current students, non-traditional students, avid learners, parents, and > anyone else who considers themselves intellectually curious. > > To order the drive, visit > https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0FJAEhElmWp_Smg2zM8DTRT9Sqmg1bhVv > GEy_2pxZODSUBg/viewform?c=0&w=1 > or visit our homepage students.nfb.org to share with your friends and > peers. > We accept PayPal, Venmo, and checks! > > Please reach out to Luke Schwinck (luke.schwinck at hotmail.com) or myself > (nabs.president at gmail.com) with any questions! > > Happy learning, fellow students, > Kathryn Webster > President | National Association of Blind Students > 203-273-8463 > Nabs.president at gmail.com > Nabslink.org > @nabslink > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From nabs.president at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 01:44:50 2016 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (NABS President) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 21:44:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FINALLY: THE KEY TO SUCCESS! In-Reply-To: References: <046801d1e39f$17cb26f0$476174d0$@gmail.com> <000201d1e3a2$9253d630$b6fb8290$@gmail.com> <04f401d1e3a4$7600ca40$62025ec0$@gmail.com> <003101d1e3b0$dd219590$9764c0b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8A3A5A33-140F-449B-85A4-2E8481FBB620@gmail.com> Link: > https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0FJAEhElmWp_Smg2zM8DTRT9Sqmg1bhVvGEy_2pxZODSUBg/viewform?c=0&w=1 Kathryn Webster President, National Association of Blind Students (203) 273-8463 Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Helga Schreiber via NABS-L wrote: >> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0FJAEhElmWp_Smg2zM8DTRT9Sqmg1bhVv >> GEy_2pxZODSUBg/viewform?c=0&w=1 From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 02:00:02 2016 From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (amazing tech) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 22:00:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FINALLY: THE KEY TO SUCCESS! In-Reply-To: <8A3A5A33-140F-449B-85A4-2E8481FBB620@gmail.com> References: <046801d1e39f$17cb26f0$476174d0$@gmail.com> <000201d1e3a2$9253d630$b6fb8290$@gmail.com> <04f401d1e3a4$7600ca40$62025ec0$@gmail.com> <003101d1e3b0$dd219590$9764c0b0$@gmail.com> <8A3A5A33-140F-449B-85A4-2E8481FBB620@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5EFD31B1-5873-4E64-8B8A-3BF3D62A270D@gmail.com> How much is the thumb drive? I ordered but want to make sure I approve the purchase before hand. Thanks, Aaron Linson CEO Linson Productions. CEO Blind Faith Project > On Jul 21, 2016, at 9:44 PM, NABS President via NABS-L wrote: > > Link: >> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0FJAEhElmWp_Smg2zM8DTRT9Sqmg1bhVvGEy_2pxZODSUBg/viewform?c=0&w=1 > > > Kathryn Webster > President, National Association of Blind Students > (203) 273-8463 > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 21, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Helga Schreiber via NABS-L wrote: > >>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0FJAEhElmWp_Smg2zM8DTRT9Sqmg1bhVv >>> GEy_2pxZODSUBg/viewform?c=0&w=1 > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.com From logan4447 at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 02:25:30 2016 From: logan4447 at gmail.com (Logan Anderson) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 22:25:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] {Disarmed} $10.00 from Justin Williams In-Reply-To: <1469147537.15965@paypal.com> References: <1469147537.15965@paypal.com> Message-ID: What is this? Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 21, 2016, at 8:32 PM, Justin Williams via PayPal via NABS-L wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Justin Williams sent you money! > > $10.00 > > Get your money in just a few easy steps. Click the button below to get started. > > > > Claim Your Money > Claim your $10.00 by August 20, 2016 or it will be returned to the sender. > > > > > Help Center | Resolution Center | Security Center > > Copyright © 1999-2016 PayPal. All rights reserved. > > PayPal PPC000471:c24042d62385e > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/logan4447%40gmail.com From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 03:02:26 2016 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 23:02:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FINALLY: THE KEY TO SUCCESS! In-Reply-To: <8A3A5A33-140F-449B-85A4-2E8481FBB620@gmail.com> References: <046801d1e39f$17cb26f0$476174d0$@gmail.com> <000201d1e3a2$9253d630$b6fb8290$@gmail.com> <04f401d1e3a4$7600ca40$62025ec0$@gmail.com> <003101d1e3b0$dd219590$9764c0b0$@gmail.com> <8A3A5A33-140F-449B-85A4-2E8481FBB620@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8BD0305B-FDAC-4FDC-A7AA-A0463753AF46@gmail.com> Hi Ms. Catherine. This is Helga. How are you? I already submit the form. However, I selected paypal, and I don't know how to pay it. I ment who do I pay it to? I look forward in hearing form you soon. Thanks and God bless! Helga Schreiber Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students. Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Skype: helga.schreiber26 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx INT Website: http://int4life.com/ "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.2 > On Jul 21, 2016, at 9:44 PM, NABS President wrote: > > Link: >> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0FJAEhElmWp_Smg2zM8DTRT9Sqmg1bhVvGEy_2pxZODSUBg/viewform?c=0&w=1 > > > Kathryn Webster > President, National Association of Blind Students > (203) 273-8463 > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 21, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Helga Schreiber via NABS-L wrote: > >>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0FJAEhElmWp_Smg2zM8DTRT9Sqmg1bhVv >>> GEy_2pxZODSUBg/viewform?c=0&w=1 From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 06:05:20 2016 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 02:05:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Database accessibility In-Reply-To: <001e01d1e3aa$0e284280$2a78c780$@gmail.com> References: <001e01d1e3aa$0e284280$2a78c780$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Justin, Forgot to mention I already do that as well. I have had pretty good luck finding things that way, but it's a bit trickier in a research methods class where the prof wants to see we're using databases. Nevertheless, I do actually really like using books in research. We do have a find command in most technologies that helps, and I definitely am a Bookshare junkie in particular. On 7/21/16, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: > Books from the bard website, learning ally, and some articles from > reputable > online sites could help. > I know books take a while to read sometimes, but they can help with > backing > up evidence. > > Justin , > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton > via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:38 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Kaiti Shelton > Subject: [nabs-l] Database accessibility > > Hi all, > > The recent discussion on academic challenges has got me thinking. > Especially for those of you who are in fields where reesearch is an > important part of what you are/will be doing following college, how do you > navigate around inaccessible databases online? I have a working system in > place with disability services to tide me over through the remainder of my > undergraduate career including my required internship after graduation, but > thinking long-term I'm concerned about this issue being problematic if I > ever decide to do research on my own, or am invited by colleagues to > participate in a study. I obviously would want to do my fair share of lit > reviews if that were the case, so I'd love to hear if anyone has tips or > tricks that go beyond using resources from the disability services office > at > your university. > > I should add that I am still trying to figure out an accessible way to > access my professional organization's journals online, which is a huge part > of this problem I think. The database I find the most helpful is from > Temple University but it links directly to these journal articles in many > cases, which is the major hang-up there. On a more short-term note, one of > the things my professors want me to do is to expand the sources I use for > research papers since I tend to rely on the tried-and true databases and > resources that I have the least amount of hassle in reading. I completely > understand where they're coming from and why having information from a > variety of sources would lend credence to evidence. Any suggestions would > be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > -- > Kaiti Shelton > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti Shelton From munawarb at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 07:25:05 2016 From: munawarb at gmail.com (Munawar Bijani) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 03:25:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Database accessibility In-Reply-To: References: <001e01d1e3aa$0e284280$2a78c780$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, I have never come across an inaccessible database at least at college level. Also, nowadays colleges let you keep your login information so you could just keep pulling from their database if you need to. > On Jul 22, 2016, at 2:05 AM, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Justin, > > Forgot to mention I already do that as well. I have had pretty good > luck finding things that way, but it's a bit trickier in a research > methods class where the prof wants to see we're using databases. > Nevertheless, I do actually really like using books in research. We > do have a find command in most technologies that helps, and I > definitely am a Bookshare junkie in particular. > >> On 7/21/16, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: >> Books from the bard website, learning ally, and some articles from >> reputable >> online sites could help. >> I know books take a while to read sometimes, but they can help with >> backing >> up evidence. >> >> Justin , >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton >> via NABS-L >> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:38 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: Kaiti Shelton >> Subject: [nabs-l] Database accessibility >> >> Hi all, >> >> The recent discussion on academic challenges has got me thinking. >> Especially for those of you who are in fields where reesearch is an >> important part of what you are/will be doing following college, how do you >> navigate around inaccessible databases online? I have a working system in >> place with disability services to tide me over through the remainder of my >> undergraduate career including my required internship after graduation, but >> thinking long-term I'm concerned about this issue being problematic if I >> ever decide to do research on my own, or am invited by colleagues to >> participate in a study. I obviously would want to do my fair share of lit >> reviews if that were the case, so I'd love to hear if anyone has tips or >> tricks that go beyond using resources from the disability services office >> at >> your university. >> >> I should add that I am still trying to figure out an accessible way to >> access my professional organization's journals online, which is a huge part >> of this problem I think. The database I find the most helpful is from >> Temple University but it links directly to these journal articles in many >> cases, which is the major hang-up there. On a more short-term note, one of >> the things my professors want me to do is to expand the sources I use for >> research papers since I tend to rely on the tried-and true databases and >> resources that I have the least amount of hassle in reading. I completely >> understand where they're coming from and why having information from a >> variety of sources would lend credence to evidence. Any suggestions would >> be appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> >> -- >> Kaiti Shelton >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > > > -- > Kaiti Shelton > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/munawarb%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 10:15:47 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 06:15:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Database accessibility In-Reply-To: References: <001e01d1e3aa$0e284280$2a78c780$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <007101d1e402$045b12c0$0d113840$@gmail.com> I've used that though as an accommodation. There is a point where if I can't find accessible information, then either I use that as an accommodation so I can have enough resources. If I can't access the databases and professional journals, then I can't access them. I've got to get as many of the professional resources as I can, then just fill in the gaps and flesh it out with other resources. I prefer to use the professional journals whenever possible. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 2:05 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Kaiti Shelton Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Database accessibility Hi Justin, Forgot to mention I already do that as well. I have had pretty good luck finding things that way, but it's a bit trickier in a research methods class where the prof wants to see we're using databases. Nevertheless, I do actually really like using books in research. We do have a find command in most technologies that helps, and I definitely am a Bookshare junkie in particular. On 7/21/16, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: > Books from the bard website, learning ally, and some articles from > reputable online sites could help. > I know books take a while to read sometimes, but they can help with > backing up evidence. > > Justin , > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti > Shelton via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:38 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: Kaiti Shelton > Subject: [nabs-l] Database accessibility > > Hi all, > > The recent discussion on academic challenges has got me thinking. > Especially for those of you who are in fields where reesearch is an > important part of what you are/will be doing following college, how do > you navigate around inaccessible databases online? I have a working > system in place with disability services to tide me over through the > remainder of my undergraduate career including my required internship > after graduation, but thinking long-term I'm concerned about this > issue being problematic if I ever decide to do research on my own, or > am invited by colleagues to participate in a study. I obviously would > want to do my fair share of lit reviews if that were the case, so I'd > love to hear if anyone has tips or tricks that go beyond using > resources from the disability services office at your university. > > I should add that I am still trying to figure out an accessible way to > access my professional organization's journals online, which is a huge > part of this problem I think. The database I find the most helpful is > from Temple University but it links directly to these journal articles > in many cases, which is the major hang-up there. On a more short-term > note, one of the things my professors want me to do is to expand the > sources I use for research papers since I tend to rely on the > tried-and true databases and resources that I have the least amount of > hassle in reading. I completely understand where they're coming from > and why having information from a variety of sources would lend > credence to evidence. Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > -- > Kaiti Shelton > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 > 0gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% > 40gmail.com > -- Kaiti Shelton _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From nabs.president at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 11:00:34 2016 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (NABS President) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 07:00:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FINALLY: THE KEY TO SUCCESS! In-Reply-To: <8BD0305B-FDAC-4FDC-A7AA-A0463753AF46@gmail.com> References: <046801d1e39f$17cb26f0$476174d0$@gmail.com> <000201d1e3a2$9253d630$b6fb8290$@gmail.com> <04f401d1e3a4$7600ca40$62025ec0$@gmail.com> <003101d1e3b0$dd219590$9764c0b0$@gmail.com> <8A3A5A33-140F-449B-85A4-2E8481FBB620@gmail.com> <8BD0305B-FDAC-4FDC-A7AA-A0463753AF46@gmail.com> Message-ID: <051601d1e408$45b0eff0$d112cfd0$@gmail.com> All, The PayPal email you will use to finish your order is luke.schwinck at hotmail.com This is our newly elected Treasurer’s email. Thanks, Kathryn From: Helga Schreiber [mailto:helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:02 PM To: NABS President Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FINALLY: THE KEY TO SUCCESS! Hi Ms. Catherine. This is Helga. How are you? I already submit the form. However, I selected paypal, and I don't know how to pay it. I ment who do I pay it to? I look forward in hearing form you soon. Thanks and God bless! Helga Schreiber Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students. Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Skype: helga.schreiber26 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx INT Website: http://int4life.com/ "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.2 On Jul 21, 2016, at 9:44 PM, NABS President > wrote: Link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0FJAEhElmWp_Smg2zM8DTRT9Sqmg1bhVvGEy_2pxZODSUBg/viewform?c=0&w=1 Kathryn Webster President, National Association of Blind Students (203) 273-8463 Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Helga Schreiber via NABS-L > wrote: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0FJAEhElmWp_Smg2zM8DTRT9Sqmg1bhVv GEy_2pxZODSUBg/viewform?c=0&w=1 From nabs.president at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 11:01:02 2016 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (NABS President) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 07:01:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FINALLY: THE KEY TO SUCCESS! In-Reply-To: <5EFD31B1-5873-4E64-8B8A-3BF3D62A270D@gmail.com> References: <046801d1e39f$17cb26f0$476174d0$@gmail.com> <000201d1e3a2$9253d630$b6fb8290$@gmail.com> <04f401d1e3a4$7600ca40$62025ec0$@gmail.com> <003101d1e3b0$dd219590$9764c0b0$@gmail.com> <8A3A5A33-140F-449B-85A4-2E8481FBB620@gmail.com> <5EFD31B1-5873-4E64-8B8A-3BF3D62A270D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <052201d1e408$568ede90$03ac9bb0$@gmail.com> Good morning, Each thumb drive is $10. Thanks for your order! Kthryn -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of amazing tech via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 10:00 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: amazing tech Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FINALLY: THE KEY TO SUCCESS! How much is the thumb drive? I ordered but want to make sure I approve the purchase before hand. Thanks, Aaron Linson CEO Linson Productions. CEO Blind Faith Project > On Jul 21, 2016, at 9:44 PM, NABS President via NABS-L wrote: > > Link: >> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0FJAEhElmWp_Smg2zM8DTRT9Sqmg1bhVv GEy_2pxZODSUBg/viewform?c=0&w=1 > > > Kathryn Webster > President, National Association of Blind Students > (203) 273-8463 > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 21, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Helga Schreiber via NABS-L wrote: > >>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0FJAEhElmWp_Smg2zM8DTRT9Sqmg1bhVv >>> GEy_2pxZODSUBg/viewform?c=0&w=1 > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.c om From gpaikens at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 13:30:20 2016 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 09:30:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Database accessibility In-Reply-To: <007101d1e402$045b12c0$0d113840$@gmail.com> References: <001e01d1e3aa$0e284280$2a78c780$@gmail.com> <007101d1e402$045b12c0$0d113840$@gmail.com> Message-ID: It has been a few years since I used this, but google scholar has an option where you can put in your school and it will automatically include a link in your search results if the resource is available through your school's library. I don't know if this will allow you to get past your inaccessible school library interface or not but I found it very helpful since the Google interface is far easier to navigate than many online databases. Best, Greg On 7/22/16, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: > I've used that though as an accommodation. There is a point where if I > can't find accessible information, then either I use that as an > accommodation so I can have enough resources. If I can't access the > databases and professional journals, then I can't access them. I've got to > get as many of the professional resources as I can, then just fill in the > gaps and flesh it out with other resources. I prefer to use the > professional journals whenever possible. > > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton > via NABS-L > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 2:05 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Kaiti Shelton > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Database accessibility > > Hi Justin, > > Forgot to mention I already do that as well. I have had pretty good luck > finding things that way, but it's a bit trickier in a research methods > class > where the prof wants to see we're using databases. > Nevertheless, I do actually really like using books in research. We do > have > a find command in most technologies that helps, and I definitely am a > Bookshare junkie in particular. > > On 7/21/16, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: >> Books from the bard website, learning ally, and some articles from >> reputable online sites could help. >> I know books take a while to read sometimes, but they can help with >> backing up evidence. >> >> Justin , >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti >> Shelton via NABS-L >> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:38 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Kaiti Shelton >> Subject: [nabs-l] Database accessibility >> >> Hi all, >> >> The recent discussion on academic challenges has got me thinking. >> Especially for those of you who are in fields where reesearch is an >> important part of what you are/will be doing following college, how do >> you navigate around inaccessible databases online? I have a working >> system in place with disability services to tide me over through the >> remainder of my undergraduate career including my required internship >> after graduation, but thinking long-term I'm concerned about this >> issue being problematic if I ever decide to do research on my own, or >> am invited by colleagues to participate in a study. I obviously would >> want to do my fair share of lit reviews if that were the case, so I'd >> love to hear if anyone has tips or tricks that go beyond using >> resources from the disability services office at your university. >> >> I should add that I am still trying to figure out an accessible way to >> access my professional organization's journals online, which is a huge >> part of this problem I think. The database I find the most helpful is >> from Temple University but it links directly to these journal articles >> in many cases, which is the major hang-up there. On a more short-term >> note, one of the things my professors want me to do is to expand the >> sources I use for research papers since I tend to rely on the >> tried-and true databases and resources that I have the least amount of >> hassle in reading. I completely understand where they're coming from >> and why having information from a variety of sources would lend >> credence to evidence. Any suggestions would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> >> -- >> Kaiti Shelton >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 >> 0gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% >> 40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti Shelton > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com > From jsoro620 at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 14:46:25 2016 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 10:46:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Thoughts and Prayers for Harley Fetterman Message-ID: <001701d1e427$d2a4fae0$77eef0a0$@gmail.com> Hello, A couple months ago I posted to the list requesting assistance for one of the members of my home state student division. Harley Fetterman needed, still needs white cell donations. Yesterday I received news he has taken a turn for the worse, and so if you know Harley, it would be worth your reaching out to him, reminding him he has not been forgotten. My own updates on the situation are frustratingly delayed. At any rate, I post this to the list in hopes that people will keep Harley in your thoughts and prayers. I am not always as devoutly religious as I would like, but I happen to believe in the power of prayer and hope those interested might add their own voices toward a request to keep our member alive and on some kind of road to recovery. I myself have never met Harley. Yet, he is a fellow Texan, and for you, he is a fellow Federationist. This is one of those moments where if we genuinely believe the NFB is a family, one of our most stalwart brothers needs us. For additional information, here's the NFB of Texas blog post previously shared: http://www.nfbtx.org/news.php?id=11 Thanks for reading. #HarleyStrong Joe -- Musings of a Work in Progress: www.JoeOrozco.com/ Twitter: @ScribblingJoe From jfranks at nfbtx.org Fri Jul 22 15:10:02 2016 From: jfranks at nfbtx.org (Jonathan Franks) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 10:10:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Thoughts and Prayers for Harley Fetterman In-Reply-To: <001701d1e427$d2a4fae0$77eef0a0$@gmail.com> References: <001701d1e427$d2a4fae0$77eef0a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Joe and all, Thank you for posting this. We here in Texas are definitely praying hard and keeping Harley in our thoughts. I know him personally and can vouch that he is an awesome person with so much ahead of him. I would like to encourage you all to also please keep him and his family in your thoughts and prayers. If you know him personally, I know that sometimes he checks Facebook, Twitter, His texts and Hey tell messages. I know that he would love to hear your get well messages. At our Texas Caucus, we sang him Happy Birthday and sent the video to his family and Norma Crosby said a personal message to him on behalf of all of us during General Session. Warm regards, Jonathan Franks BSW Treasurer Texas Association of Blind Students On 7/22/16, Joe via NABS-L wrote: > Hello, > > A couple months ago I posted to the list requesting assistance for one of > the members of my home state student division. Harley Fetterman needed, > still needs white cell donations. Yesterday I received news he has taken a > turn for the worse, and so if you know Harley, it would be worth your > reaching out to him, reminding him he has not been forgotten. My own > updates > on the situation are frustratingly delayed. At any rate, I post this to the > list in hopes that people will keep Harley in your thoughts and prayers. I > am not always as devoutly religious as I would like, but I happen to > believe > in the power of prayer and hope those interested might add their own voices > toward a request to keep our member alive and on some kind of road to > recovery. I myself have never met Harley. Yet, he is a fellow Texan, and > for > you, he is a fellow Federationist. This is one of those moments where if we > genuinely believe the NFB is a family, one of our most stalwart brothers > needs us. > > For additional information, here's the NFB of Texas blog post previously > shared: > > http://www.nfbtx.org/news.php?id=11 > > Thanks for reading. #HarleyStrong > > Joe > > -- > Musings of a Work in Progress: > www.JoeOrozco.com/ > > Twitter: @ScribblingJoe > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jfranks%40nfbtx.org > -- The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. From bestca21 at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 15:21:29 2016 From: bestca21 at gmail.com (Caitlin Best) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 11:21:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FINALLY: THE KEY TO SUCCESS! In-Reply-To: <052201d1e408$568ede90$03ac9bb0$@gmail.com> References: <046801d1e39f$17cb26f0$476174d0$@gmail.com> <000201d1e3a2$9253d630$b6fb8290$@gmail.com> <04f401d1e3a4$7600ca40$62025ec0$@gmail.com> <003101d1e3b0$dd219590$9764c0b0$@gmail.com> <8A3A5A33-140F-449B-85A4-2E8481FBB620@gmail.com> <5EFD31B1-5873-4E64-8B8A-3BF3D62A270D@gmail.com> <052201d1e408$568ede90$03ac9bb0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm using venmo so should I use Luke's email for that as well? Cheers, Caitlin Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 22, 2016, at 07:01, NABS President via NABS-L wrote: > > Good morning, > > Each thumb drive is $10. > > Thanks for your order! > Kthryn > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of amazing tech > via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 10:00 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: amazing tech > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FINALLY: THE KEY TO SUCCESS! > > How much is the thumb drive? I ordered but want to make sure I approve the > purchase before hand. > > Thanks, > Aaron Linson > CEO Linson Productions. > CEO Blind Faith Project > >>> On Jul 21, 2016, at 9:44 PM, NABS President via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Link: > https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0FJAEhElmWp_Smg2zM8DTRT9Sqmg1bhVv > GEy_2pxZODSUBg/viewform?c=0&w=1 >> >> >> Kathryn Webster >> President, National Association of Blind Students >> (203) 273-8463 >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 21, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Helga Schreiber via NABS-L >> wrote: >> > https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0FJAEhElmWp_Smg2zM8DTRT9Sqmg1bhVv >>>> GEy_2pxZODSUBg/viewform?c=0&w=1 >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.co > m > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bestca21%40gmail.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 15:25:32 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 11:25:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Thoughts and Prayers for Harley Fetterman Message-ID: <57923b1c.c66e810a.8038.7a21@mx.google.com> I will keep him in my prayers. From nabs.president at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 15:55:35 2016 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (NABS President) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 11:55:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FINALLY: THE KEY TO SUCCESS! In-Reply-To: References: <046801d1e39f$17cb26f0$476174d0$@gmail.com> <000201d1e3a2$9253d630$b6fb8290$@gmail.com> <04f401d1e3a4$7600ca40$62025ec0$@gmail.com> <003101d1e3b0$dd219590$9764c0b0$@gmail.com> <8A3A5A33-140F-449B-85A4-2E8481FBB620@gmail.com> <5EFD31B1-5873-4E64-8B8A-3BF3D62A270D@gmail.com> <052201d1e408$568ede90$03ac9bb0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <71CDBFFA-356C-43A7-9E70-B3223B07153A@gmail.com> Venmo: nabs.president at gmail.com PayPal: Luke.schwinck at hotnail.com Kathryn Webster President, National Association of Blind Students (203) 273-8463 Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 22, 2016, at 11:21 AM, Caitlin Best via NABS-L wrote: > > I'm using venmo so should I use Luke's email for that as well? > Cheers, > Caitlin > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 22, 2016, at 07:01, NABS President via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Good morning, >> >> Each thumb drive is $10. >> >> Thanks for your order! >> Kthryn >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of amazing tech >> via NABS-L >> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 10:00 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: amazing tech >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FINALLY: THE KEY TO SUCCESS! >> >> How much is the thumb drive? I ordered but want to make sure I approve the >> purchase before hand. >> >> Thanks, >> Aaron Linson >> CEO Linson Productions. >> CEO Blind Faith Project >> >>>> On Jul 21, 2016, at 9:44 PM, NABS President via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> Link: >> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0FJAEhElmWp_Smg2zM8DTRT9Sqmg1bhVv >> GEy_2pxZODSUBg/viewform?c=0&w=1 >>> >>> >>> Kathryn Webster >>> President, National Association of Blind Students >>> (203) 273-8463 >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jul 21, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Helga Schreiber via NABS-L >>> wrote: >> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0FJAEhElmWp_Smg2zM8DTRT9Sqmg1bhVv >>>>> GEy_2pxZODSUBg/viewform?c=0&w=1 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.co >> m >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bestca21%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 18:18:08 2016 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 14:18:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Database accessibility In-Reply-To: References: <001e01d1e3aa$0e284280$2a78c780$@gmail.com> <007101d1e402$045b12c0$0d113840$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Kaiti, Accessibility varies a lot across databases. As a psychologist, I primarily use PsycInfo and have found it very accessible. I don't know much about the specific field of music therapy, but I imagine that a lot of the research you cite might be indexed in PsycInfo, so I would encourage you to give the database a try if you haven't already. I also really love Google Scholar. As Greg pointed out, if you use Google Scholar while you are on your university's wireless network (or while you are logged in through VPN from off-campus), you will be provided with links to specific journal articles that fit your search criteria. Regardless of which database you use, it is inevitable that some of the journal articles located would be image-based pdfs or pdfs that do not interface well with JAWS, so I do a lot of conversion either via OpenBook or by emailing to RoboBraille. Hope this helps! Katie On 7/22/16, Greg Aikens via NABS-L wrote: > It has been a few years since I used this, but google scholar has an > option where you can put in your school and it will automatically > include a link in your search results if the resource is available > through your school's library. I don't know if this will allow you to > get past your inaccessible school library interface or not but I found > it very helpful since the Google interface is far easier to navigate > than many online databases. > > Best, > Greg > > > On 7/22/16, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: >> I've used that though as an accommodation. There is a point where if I >> can't find accessible information, then either I use that as an >> accommodation so I can have enough resources. If I can't access the >> databases and professional journals, then I can't access them. I've got >> to >> get as many of the professional resources as I can, then just fill in the >> gaps and flesh it out with other resources. I prefer to use the >> professional journals whenever possible. >> >> Justin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti >> Shelton >> via NABS-L >> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 2:05 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Kaiti Shelton >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Database accessibility >> >> Hi Justin, >> >> Forgot to mention I already do that as well. I have had pretty good luck >> finding things that way, but it's a bit trickier in a research methods >> class >> where the prof wants to see we're using databases. >> Nevertheless, I do actually really like using books in research. We do >> have >> a find command in most technologies that helps, and I definitely am a >> Bookshare junkie in particular. >> >> On 7/21/16, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: >>> Books from the bard website, learning ally, and some articles from >>> reputable online sites could help. >>> I know books take a while to read sometimes, but they can help with >>> backing up evidence. >>> >>> Justin , >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti >>> Shelton via NABS-L >>> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:38 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Cc: Kaiti Shelton >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Database accessibility >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> The recent discussion on academic challenges has got me thinking. >>> Especially for those of you who are in fields where reesearch is an >>> important part of what you are/will be doing following college, how do >>> you navigate around inaccessible databases online? I have a working >>> system in place with disability services to tide me over through the >>> remainder of my undergraduate career including my required internship >>> after graduation, but thinking long-term I'm concerned about this >>> issue being problematic if I ever decide to do research on my own, or >>> am invited by colleagues to participate in a study. I obviously would >>> want to do my fair share of lit reviews if that were the case, so I'd >>> love to hear if anyone has tips or tricks that go beyond using >>> resources from the disability services office at your university. >>> >>> I should add that I am still trying to figure out an accessible way to >>> access my professional organization's journals online, which is a huge >>> part of this problem I think. The database I find the most helpful is >>> from Temple University but it links directly to these journal articles >>> in many cases, which is the major hang-up there. On a more short-term >>> note, one of the things my professors want me to do is to expand the >>> sources I use for research papers since I tend to rely on the >>> tried-and true databases and resources that I have the least amount of >>> hassle in reading. I completely understand where they're coming from >>> and why having information from a variety of sources would lend >>> credence to evidence. Any suggestions would be appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> -- >>> Kaiti Shelton >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 >>> 0gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% >>> 40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Kaiti Shelton >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 18:35:47 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 14:35:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Database accessibility In-Reply-To: References: <001e01d1e3aa$0e284280$2a78c780$@gmail.com> <007101d1e402$045b12c0$0d113840$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <013001d1e447$de4accb0$9ae06610$@gmail.com> PsycInfo is really good. Also, for some pdfs, you can use the key stroke insert spacebar, o, then d. That will make some documents accessible if you have jaws 16 or better. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Katie Wang via NABS-L Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 2:18 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Katie Wang Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Database accessibility Hi Kaiti, Accessibility varies a lot across databases. As a psychologist, I primarily use PsycInfo and have found it very accessible. I don't know much about the specific field of music therapy, but I imagine that a lot of the research you cite might be indexed in PsycInfo, so I would encourage you to give the database a try if you haven't already. I also really love Google Scholar. As Greg pointed out, if you use Google Scholar while you are on your university's wireless network (or while you are logged in through VPN from off-campus), you will be provided with links to specific journal articles that fit your search criteria. Regardless of which database you use, it is inevitable that some of the journal articles located would be image-based pdfs or pdfs that do not interface well with JAWS, so I do a lot of conversion either via OpenBook or by emailing to RoboBraille. Hope this helps! Katie On 7/22/16, Greg Aikens via NABS-L wrote: > It has been a few years since I used this, but google scholar has an > option where you can put in your school and it will automatically > include a link in your search results if the resource is available > through your school's library. I don't know if this will allow you to > get past your inaccessible school library interface or not but I found > it very helpful since the Google interface is far easier to navigate > than many online databases. > > Best, > Greg > > > On 7/22/16, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: >> I've used that though as an accommodation. There is a point where if >> I can't find accessible information, then either I use that as an >> accommodation so I can have enough resources. If I can't access the >> databases and professional journals, then I can't access them. I've >> got to get as many of the professional resources as I can, then just >> fill in the >> gaps and flesh it out with other resources. I prefer to use the >> professional journals whenever possible. >> >> Justin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti >> Shelton via NABS-L >> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 2:05 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Kaiti Shelton >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Database accessibility >> >> Hi Justin, >> >> Forgot to mention I already do that as well. I have had pretty good >> luck finding things that way, but it's a bit trickier in a research >> methods class where the prof wants to see we're using databases. >> Nevertheless, I do actually really like using books in research. We >> do have a find command in most technologies that helps, and I >> definitely am a Bookshare junkie in particular. >> >> On 7/21/16, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: >>> Books from the bard website, learning ally, and some articles from >>> reputable online sites could help. >>> I know books take a while to read sometimes, but they can help with >>> backing up evidence. >>> >>> Justin , >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti >>> Shelton via NABS-L >>> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:38 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Cc: Kaiti Shelton >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Database accessibility >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> The recent discussion on academic challenges has got me thinking. >>> Especially for those of you who are in fields where reesearch is an >>> important part of what you are/will be doing following college, how >>> do you navigate around inaccessible databases online? I have a >>> working system in place with disability services to tide me over >>> through the remainder of my undergraduate career including my >>> required internship after graduation, but thinking long-term I'm >>> concerned about this issue being problematic if I ever decide to do >>> research on my own, or am invited by colleagues to participate in a >>> study. I obviously would want to do my fair share of lit reviews if >>> that were the case, so I'd love to hear if anyone has tips or tricks >>> that go beyond using resources from the disability services office at your university. >>> >>> I should add that I am still trying to figure out an accessible way >>> to access my professional organization's journals online, which is a >>> huge part of this problem I think. The database I find the most >>> helpful is from Temple University but it links directly to these >>> journal articles in many cases, which is the major hang-up there. >>> On a more short-term note, one of the things my professors want me >>> to do is to expand the sources I use for research papers since I >>> tend to rely on the tried-and true databases and resources that I >>> have the least amount of hassle in reading. I completely understand >>> where they're coming from and why having information from a variety >>> of sources would lend credence to evidence. Any suggestions would be appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> -- >>> Kaiti Shelton >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2 >>> %4 >>> 0gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet10 >>> 4% >>> 40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Kaiti Shelton >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2% >> 40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail. >> com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmai > l.com > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From kmaent1 at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 20:17:46 2016 From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 16:17:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Database accessibility Message-ID: <57927f94.0833810a.32783.9d08@mx.google.com> Hi Katie, do you know of a way to get robobraille to preserve pagination when it converts an image PDF? When I have used it it always strips out the page numbers, which of course means I can't properly cite the article in research. Thanks, Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: Katie Wang via NABS-L wrote: It has been a few years since I used this, but google scholar has an option where you can put in your school and it will automatically include a link in your search results if the resource is available through your school's library. I don't know if this will allow you to get past your inaccessible school library interface or not but I found it very helpful since the Google interface is far easier to navigate than many online databases. Best, Greg On 7/22/16, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: I've used that though as an accommodation. There is a point where if I can't find accessible information, then either I use that as an accommodation so I can have enough resources. If I can't access the databases and professional journals, then I can't access them. I've got to get as many of the professional resources as I can, then just fill in the gaps and flesh it out with other resources. I prefer to use the professional journals whenever possible. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 2:05 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list wrote: Books from the bard website, learning ally, and some articles from reputable online sites could help. I know books take a while to read sometimes, but they can help with backing up evidence. Justin , -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:38 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Hello All, I am currently in the midst of updating the NABS brochure. When I'm done, we will have it in Word, accessible PDF, HTML, hopefully BRF, and maybe audio. The brochure will include information on NABS, the NABS mission statement, etc. I'm hoping to get a list of all of the committees in NABS, as well as some other information that might help me along. Other than that, is there anything else you think I should include? I'm not re-writing the entire NABS website, since it's just a brochure, but let me know what you think... Thanks! All the Best, Cricket X. Bidleman From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 20:51:26 2016 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 16:51:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Database accessibility In-Reply-To: <57927f94.0833810a.32783.9d08@mx.google.com> References: <57927f94.0833810a.32783.9d08@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Karl, Unfortunately I have not found an effective solution for preserving page numbers when converting image-based pdfs. Luckily for me, APA Style only requires authors to include page numbers with their in-text citations when they are using exact quotes, so I don't encounter this issue a lot, but in those rare instances when I do need such information I still find sighted assistance necessary. Sorry I can't be of more help! Katie On 7/22/16, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L wrote: > Hi Katie, do you know of a way to get robobraille to preserve > pagination when it converts an image PDF? When I have used it it > always strips out the page numbers, which of course means I can't > properly cite the article in research. > > Thanks, > Karl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Katie Wang via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 14:18:08 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Database accessibility > > Hi Kaiti, > > Accessibility varies a lot across databases. As a psychologist, I > primarily use PsycInfo and have found it very accessible. I don't > know > much about the specific field of music therapy, but I imagine > that a > lot of the research you cite might be indexed in PsycInfo, so I > would > encourage you to give the database a try if you haven't already. > I > also really love Google Scholar. As Greg pointed out, if you use > Google Scholar while you are on your university's wireless > network (or > while you are logged in through VPN from off-campus), you will be > provided with links to specific journal articles that fit your > search > criteria. Regardless of which database you use, it is inevitable > that > some of the journal articles located would be image-based pdfs or > pdfs > that do not interface well with JAWS, so I do a lot of conversion > either via OpenBook or by emailing to RoboBraille. Hope this > helps! > > Katie > > On 7/22/16, Greg Aikens via NABS-L wrote: > It has been a few years since I used this, but google scholar > has an > option where you can put in your school and it will > automatically > include a link in your search results if the resource is > available > through your school's library. I don't know if this will allow > you to > get past your inaccessible school library interface or not but I > found > it very helpful since the Google interface is far easier to > navigate > than many online databases. > > Best, > Greg > > > On 7/22/16, Justin Williams via NABS-L > wrote: > I've used that though as an accommodation. There is a point > where if I > can't find accessible information, then either I use that as an > accommodation so I can have enough resources. If I can't access > the > databases and professional journals, then I can't access them. > I've got > to > get as many of the professional resources as I can, then just > fill in the > gaps and flesh it out with other resources. I prefer to use > the > professional journals whenever possible. > > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Kaiti > Shelton > via NABS-L > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 2:05 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Kaiti Shelton Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Database accessibility > > Hi Justin, > > Forgot to mention I already do that as well. I have had pretty > good luck > finding things that way, but it's a bit trickier in a research > methods > class > where the prof wants to see we're using databases. > Nevertheless, I do actually really like using books in research. > We do > have > a find command in most technologies that helps, and I definitely > am a > Bookshare junkie in particular. > > On 7/21/16, Justin Williams via NABS-L > wrote: > Books from the bard website, learning ally, and some articles > from > reputable online sites could help. > I know books take a while to read sometimes, but they can help > with > backing up evidence. > > Justin , > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Kaiti > Shelton via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:38 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Kaiti Shelton Subject: [nabs-l] Database accessibility > > Hi all, > > The recent discussion on academic challenges has got me > thinking. > Especially for those of you who are in fields where reesearch is > an > important part of what you are/will be doing following college, > how do > you navigate around inaccessible databases online? I have a > working > system in place with disability services to tide me over through > the > remainder of my undergraduate career including my required > internship > after graduation, but thinking long-term I'm concerned about > this > issue being problematic if I ever decide to do research on my > own, or > am invited by colleagues to participate in a study. I obviously > would > want to do my fair share of lit reviews if that were the case, > so I'd > love to hear if anyone has tips or tricks that go beyond using > resources from the disability services office at your > university. > > I should add that I am still trying to figure out an accessible > way to > access my professional organization's journals online, which is > a huge > part of this problem I think. The database I find the most > helpful is > from Temple University but it links directly to these journal > articles > in many cases, which is the major hang-up there. On a more > short-term > note, one of the things my professors want me to do is to expand > the > sources I use for research papers since I tend to rely on the > tried-and true databases and resources that I have the least > amount of > hassle in reading. I completely understand where they're coming > from > and why having information from a variety of sources would lend > credence to evidence. Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > -- > Kaiti Shelton > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia > ms2%4 > 0gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine > t104% > 40gmail.com > > > > -- > Kaiti Shelton > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia > ms2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gm > ail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%4 > 0gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > From awildheir at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 21:03:56 2016 From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 17:03:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Study Methods and Tools Message-ID: <3FA40492-5012-4649-8555-F540BA91741E@gmail.com> Hello everybody. I am curious what methods you find most efficient and effective when studying. Do you use brailed flashcards or a flash card app on an iPhone or iPad? Aside from having a person quiz you, what do you find beneficial? I have been out of the university setting for 13 years and a lot has changed. I have not had a lot of exposure to different techniques and tactics for blind people. I would really like to hear what you all have used however conventional or unconventional. Aimee Sent from my iPhone From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Fri Jul 22 21:14:17 2016 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 17:14:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FINALLY: THE KEY TO SUCCESS! In-Reply-To: <046801d1e39f$17cb26f0$476174d0$@gmail.com> References: <046801d1e39f$17cb26f0$476174d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello, This message states there are personal student testimonies from each of the NFB training centers on the thumb drive. I bought a thumb drive while attendant the NFB national convention. However, I do not see any personal student testimonies from each of the NFB training centers on the thumb drive. Can anyone help me find where these personal student testimonies from each of the NFB training centers may be located on the thumb drive? Any information in regards to this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of NABS President via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 6:28 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: NABS President ; board at nabslink.org Subject: [nabs-l] FINALLY: THE KEY TO SUCCESS! Finally, what you all have been waiting for: NABS' Student Success Toolkits! After astonishing feedback from National Convention, our student division decided to sell the Student Success Toolkits online for your personal use! Our 4 gb Flash drives contain the following software, Tutorials, resources, Templates, and information To ensure you are the most successful student you can be. Software: * NVDA Now, you can walk up to any computer, plug it in, and launch a free screen reader for anytime use! TUTORIALS: * Excel * Outlook * PowerPoint * LaTeX TEMPLATES * Sample cover letters * Sample resumes/CV's * A bunch of professional documents to help you get your dream job RESOURCES: * LSAT Practice Test * NFB literature, including speeches and documents * The NFB Self-Advocacy Toolkit * Personal student testimonies from each of our training centers HEALTH/FITNESS * A plethora of exercise tips, tricks, and recipes so you can stay fit, while flourishing in and out of the classroom These handy thumb drives will be mailed to you personally. Once you fill out the below form and payment is received by our Treasurer, I will put one in the mail for you! Each flash drive costs just $10! Our target audience is future students, current students, non-traditional students, avid learners, parents, and anyone else who considers themselves intellectually curious. To order the drive, visit https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0FJAEhElmWp_Smg2zM8DTRT9Sqmg1bhVv GEy_2pxZODSUBg/viewform?c=0&w=1 or visit our homepage students.nfb.org to share with your friends and peers. We accept PayPal, Venmo, and checks! Please reach out to Luke Schwinck (luke.schwinck at hotmail.com) or myself (nabs.president at gmail.com) with any questions! Happy learning, fellow students, Kathryn Webster President | National Association of Blind Students 203-273-8463 Nabs.president at gmail.com Nabslink.org @nabslink _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 21:18:06 2016 From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 17:18:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Study Methods and Tools In-Reply-To: <3FA40492-5012-4649-8555-F540BA91741E@gmail.com> References: <3FA40492-5012-4649-8555-F540BA91741E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1561478eec8.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> I have been wondering this as well. I have been trying to find a good way to study and also take notes. Thanks, Aaron From kmaent1 at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 21:40:17 2016 From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 17:40:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Database accessibility Message-ID: <579292eb.085d810a.c1f27.ab91@mx.google.com> Thanks Katie. Well at least now I know it's not just me. ----- Original Message ----- From: Katie Wang via NABS-L wrote: Hi Katie, do you know of a way to get robobraille to preserve pagination when it converts an image PDF? When I have used it it always strips out the page numbers, which of course means I can't properly cite the article in research. Thanks, Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: Katie Wang via NABS-L wrote: It has been a few years since I used this, but google scholar has an option where you can put in your school and it will automatically include a link in your search results if the resource is available through your school's library. I don't know if this will allow you to get past your inaccessible school library interface or not but I found it very helpful since the Google interface is far easier to navigate than many online databases. Best, Greg On 7/22/16, Justin Williams via NABS-L References: <3FA40492-5012-4649-8555-F540BA91741E@gmail.com> <1561478eec8.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes I think adding how to take notes to my question would be a wonderful idea. I did not get a lot of this training or information growing up. I have kinda been winging it. I was one of the first people in my area to be a part of the inclusion program so I only went to a school for the blind for three years. I think that a school for the blind might have been better at teaching me the skills and also I might have remained a braille reader throughout school. A year after I went to public school, I was transferred from braille to large print. I know many braille readers who have been lifelong braille readers who are very fast at reading and writing braille. I use a braille display so I can keep up on what braille I know in hopes that I will become faster. When you guys talk about study and note-taking in your answer my previous questions, please do include as much references to braille as you like. Eagerly waiting to hear what you have to say, Aimee Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 22, 2016, at 5:18 PM, Aaron via NABS-L wrote: > > I have been wondering this as well. I have been trying to find a good way to study and also take notes. > Thanks, > Aaron > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 23:09:30 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 16:09:30 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Brochure Message-ID: Hi All, I have been working on that brochure for five hours now, so I'm taking a brief break. Word would not let me format the way I wanted to, so I wrote it in HTML so that I could incorporate headings and stuff. Since I'm new to HTML, it's taking me awhile. I have all of the information stuff that I need, inacluding links etc. I do have to add a section on why people should join NABS though, and of course I will mention the listserve. So the real question is, why do people join NABS? I have my own reasons, but I want to hear from all of you as well. Thanks! Best, Cricket Bidleman From jameyanne at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 23:30:45 2016 From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 19:30:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Database accessibility In-Reply-To: <579292eb.085d810a.c1f27.ab91@mx.google.com> References: <579292eb.085d810a.c1f27.ab91@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <000201d1e471$12ac63a0$38052ae0$@gmail.com> What is this RoboBraille that's been mentioned a couple times? Jameyanne -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 5:40 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Karl Martin Adam Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Database accessibility Thanks Katie. Well at least now I know it's not just me. ----- Original Message ----- From: Katie Wang via NABS-L wrote: Hi Katie, do you know of a way to get robobraille to preserve pagination when it converts an image PDF? When I have used it it always strips out the page numbers, which of course means I can't properly cite the article in research. Thanks, Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: Katie Wang via NABS-L wrote: It has been a few years since I used this, but google scholar has an option where you can put in your school and it will automatically include a link in your search results if the resource is available through your school's library. I don't know if this will allow you to get past your inaccessible school library interface or not but I found it very helpful since the Google interface is far easier to navigate than many online databases. Best, Greg On 7/22/16, Justin Williams via NABS-L References: <3FA40492-5012-4649-8555-F540BA91741E@gmail.com> <1561478eec8.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000301d1e472$f3305250$d990f6f0$@gmail.com> Hi Amy, I don't make flashcards for all classes, only classes that have a lot of memorizing. I make Braille flashcards, using index cards and a Perkins Brailler. I'll generally use 3 by 5 cards, especially if it's just like vocab or names and dates, but in my sophomore year of college, I actually got 5 by 8 index cards (at least I think they were that size) and copied out all the Italian verb conjugations and noun endings and basically all of Italian grammar, and that was really helpful for me. I'm a strong believer in the idea that reading, writing, and speaking something cements it in your memory, so this is why I use Braille for flash cards (even though it did result in an entire bin of Italian vocab and grammar cards at the end of the year), because I retain information better in Braille than just listening to it. I also make sure to speak aloud what I'm putting on the flash cards, and when I quiz myself I do it aloud. I didn't make flash cards in every class. Sometimes I would just read through my notes, sometimes I would copy out my notes in a different way--shuffle things around so they're in a different order or something like that. In some classes I found a study buddy, and we would review the notes together and answer each other's questions. In terms of notetaking, I don't do what they tell you to do. I don't write down only key information or use abbreviated sentences or stuff like that. I type in Braille really fast, like I can keep pace with the teacher talking no problem, and it's actually easier for me to pay attention if I'm constantly taking notes than if I'm only writing down the most important facts, because my mind will wander off topic super fast. But that's just me, really. I'm interested to hear how other people take notes, especially since I'm about to start law school and I'm not sure what's an effective way to take notes when the class is taught using the Socratic method. Jameyanne -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee Harwood via NABS-L Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 6:02 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Aimee Harwood Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Study Methods and Tools Yes I think adding how to take notes to my question would be a wonderful idea. I did not get a lot of this training or information growing up. I have kinda been winging it. I was one of the first people in my area to be a part of the inclusion program so I only went to a school for the blind for three years. I think that a school for the blind might have been better at teaching me the skills and also I might have remained a braille reader throughout school. A year after I went to public school, I was transferred from braille to large print. I know many braille readers who have been lifelong braille readers who are very fast at reading and writing braille. I use a braille display so I can keep up on what braille I know in hopes that I will become faster. When you guys talk about study and note-taking in your answer my previous questions, please do include as much references to braille as you like. Eagerly waiting to hear what you have to say, Aimee Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 22, 2016, at 5:18 PM, Aaron via NABS-L wrote: > > I have been wondering this as well. I have been trying to find a good way to study and also take notes. > Thanks, > Aaron > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com From kidbrailler at aol.com Fri Jul 22 23:46:31 2016 From: kidbrailler at aol.com (Alonza Harris) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 19:46:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Brochure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I joined to obtain information on how to be a successful student. How did you want to format the brochure originally? I am somewhat proficient with Microsoft Word. Please feel free to email me off-list at: kidbrailler at aol.com. I can show you how to apply the formatting you want, or you may send me the file with a list of the formatting you want in the document. Sincerely Alonza. > On Jul 22, 2016, at 7:09 PM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi All, > > I have been working on that brochure for five hours now, so I'm taking > a brief break. Word would not let me format the way I wanted to, so I > wrote it in HTML so that I could incorporate headings and stuff. Since > I'm new to HTML, it's taking me awhile. I have all of the information > stuff that I need, inacluding links etc. I do have to add a section on > why people should join NABS though, and of course I will mention the > listserve. So the real question is, why do people join NABS? I have my > own reasons, but I want to hear from all of you as well. Thanks! > > Best, > Cricket Bidleman > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kidbrailler%40aol.com From jameyanne at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 23:47:45 2016 From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 19:47:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] footnotes Message-ID: <000401d1e473$72387690$56a963b0$@gmail.com> Hi all, I've always hated footnotes. They're such a pain to find and read, on my computer or on my BrailleNote, especially since a lot of the time when something has been scanned or converted by the disabilities services office, the numbers for the footnotes are lost and I don't know what goes with what, so most of the time I just skim them or ignore them completely. But I'm guessing there might be some useful information in them, and I'm pretty sure they're important for law school. So is there some secret way to read footnotes that I'm missing? Thanks for your help! Jameyanne From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 00:19:35 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 17:19:35 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Brochure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've been using MS word for eight years, so I know how to do it. It's just that JAWS has been having some compatibility issues with it, and I'm not quite as up to speed on NVDA as I am with JAWS. I may just end up sending to you. Thanks! On 7/22/16, Alonza Harris via NABS-L wrote: > I joined to obtain information on how to be a successful student. How did > you want to format the brochure originally? I am somewhat proficient with > Microsoft Word. Please feel free to email me off-list at: > kidbrailler at aol.com. I can show you how to apply the formatting you want, or > you may send me the file with a list of the formatting you want in the > document. > > Sincerely > > > > Alonza. > >> On Jul 22, 2016, at 7:09 PM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> I have been working on that brochure for five hours now, so I'm taking >> a brief break. Word would not let me format the way I wanted to, so I >> wrote it in HTML so that I could incorporate headings and stuff. Since >> I'm new to HTML, it's taking me awhile. I have all of the information >> stuff that I need, inacluding links etc. I do have to add a section on >> why people should join NABS though, and of course I will mention the >> listserve. So the real question is, why do people join NABS? I have my >> own reasons, but I want to hear from all of you as well. Thanks! >> >> Best, >> Cricket Bidleman >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kidbrailler%40aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From alpineimagination at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 00:54:47 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 17:54:47 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Is This a Typical Request for Disability Services? Message-ID: <5792c071.d367620a.67b46.824c@mx.google.com> Hi All, I start college next month, and have been trying to get everything ready, which includes meetings with Disability Services and the normal due-dates. (I never would have thought that there would be so many due-dates between college acceptance and the start of school-lesson learned there!" Although I have been getting to know my disability services, I have only just today received an accmmodations letter. One accommodation that I requested from them is to have someone walk with me to each of my classes for the first month or so, while I am still learning the layout of the campus. Travel is one of these aspects for me that I just need to have constant repetition for, and although I will be working with someone authorized by the Department of Rehab, this process is still happening and I feel that knowing myself and my travel skills, I need this. DSS seems unsure if this is possible, but is willing to discuss the matter further. I don't know if their hesitation has anything to do with the fact that I have 5 classes at 5 completely different times, although I think it would be more of a matter of me communicating with these students via text to arrange times. I have a meeting with them in two weeks, but was just wondering if you have had any similar issues with them and how you have dealt with them. Thanks, Vejas From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 01:15:43 2016 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 21:15:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Brochure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Cricket adn all! How are you all? In answering Cricket's question! I join the NABS list in order to learn from all of you guys! I became part of this list in 2011 when I started college! This list help me a lot with school and so on. And the way you guys help me was in many ways. One of the ways you guys help pme was with advocating! when I was in my college, I actually advocated for my rights as a blind student in getting my materials in Braille. Yes, for me braille was important in studying when I started college. I actually started learning how to use the computer with JAWS in 2011 when I was 19 yer sold. I lost my sight when I was 16 year old. When I lost my sight, the first they taught me was braille, not technology since I didnot even knew what technology was. I was born in Peru,and I speak spanish. And unfortunately Peru does not really provide the help like United States does in helping visually impaired student or blind student. And even though it provided some help it was not enough. I was born with low vision problems adn then my sight went deteriorating. I came to the uNited States when I was 12 years old, but i did not know about the NFB untill I was 20 yers old guys! I'm so glad I find this list! I'm partof the FABS student divisionand I'm going to be come soon parto NABS division. Now I'm currently attending FAU and I'm doing my Bachelor in English since I'm doing an English major. And Perhaps I'm planning in doing a minor in Political Science. I'm persuing after graduationg from My Bachelor going to LaW school and become a Lawyer in order to advocate for others! Yes, I still ahve a long way to go! It will be great If some who is studying Law here can contact me off list,and help me with soem questions that I have in regards of the LSAT and other questions related to the legal profession. So I want to Support the NFB in whatever I can guys. I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless! Helga Schreiber Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students. Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Skype: helga.schreiber26 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx INT Website: http://int4life.com/ "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.2 > On Jul 22, 2016, at 7:09 PM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi All, > > I have been working on that brochure for five hours now, so I'm taking > a brief break. Word would not let me format the way I wanted to, so I > wrote it in HTML so that I could incorporate headings and stuff. Since > I'm new to HTML, it's taking me awhile. I have all of the information > stuff that I need, inacluding links etc. I do have to add a section on > why people should join NABS though, and of course I will mention the > listserve. So the real question is, why do people join NABS? I have my > own reasons, but I want to hear from all of you as well. Thanks! > > Best, > Cricket Bidleman > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From jab2bs at mtmail.mtsu.edu Sat Jul 23 01:35:27 2016 From: jab2bs at mtmail.mtsu.edu (James Alan Boehm) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 01:35:27 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Share with Media,Social Media Pages and Groups!` Message-ID: <360AB8A8-6132-48A3-914B-58291CDECF5E@mtmail.mtsu.edu> Criminal Charges Filed Against Uber Driver Stranding Guid e Dog Team… See attachment! James Alan Boehm Contact Information: Phone: 901-483-1515 Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com NFB Email: secretary at nfb-tn.org Kustom Cane: kustomcane at gmail.com Blindness never limits-low expectations do! Live the life you want! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: TN Release Regarding Criminal Case Against Uber Driver Edited Final.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 11158 bytes Desc: TN Release Regarding Criminal Case Against Uber Driver Edited Final.docx URL: From logan4447 at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 01:53:04 2016 From: logan4447 at gmail.com (Logan Anderson) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 21:53:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Is This a Typical Request for Disability Services? In-Reply-To: <5792c071.d367620a.67b46.824c@mx.google.com> References: <5792c071.d367620a.67b46.824c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <85642946-F443-46C7-AACB-4DB805CBD92E@gmail.com> Hi, I to begin college in less than a month. I have not requested this particular service from my disability services office, but they have told me several times it is very typical to have someone help you learn the campus. Though they have said that it is typically only a few days that this person will help you. I am in the process of requesting my accommodations from them, and will probably have no & M on my list of things that I am going to ask for help with, but I myself don't need a long-term partner. I honestly don't think my disability services office even offers a long-term option like this. I don't have much insight on the situation, but I am sure they will willingly work with whatever you need to help you succeed in college. If you are working through the vocational rehabilitation system in your area, if there is one, then they also might have assistance that they can offer you with this question. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 22, 2016, at 8:54 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi All, > I start college next month, and have been trying to get everything ready, which includes meetings with Disability Services and the normal due-dates. (I never would have thought that there would be so many due-dates between college acceptance and the start of school-lesson learned there!" > Although I have been getting to know my disability services, I have only just today received an accmmodations letter. > One accommodation that I requested from them is to have someone walk with me to each of my classes for the first month or so, while I am still learning the layout of the campus. Travel is one of these aspects for me that I just need to have constant repetition for, and although I will be working with someone authorized by the Department of Rehab, this process is still happening and I feel that knowing myself and my travel skills, I need this. DSS seems unsure if this is possible, but is willing to discuss the matter further. I don't know if their hesitation has anything to do with the fact that I have 5 classes at 5 completely different times, although I think it would be more of a matter of me communicating with these students via text to arrange times. > I have a meeting with them in two weeks, but was just wondering if you have had any similar issues with them and how you have dealt with them. > Thanks, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/logan4447%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 01:58:09 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 21:58:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Is This a Typical Request for Disability Services? In-Reply-To: <5792c071.d367620a.67b46.824c@mx.google.com> References: <5792c071.d367620a.67b46.824c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <000001d1e485$aa41fe50$fec5faf0$@gmail.com> That's usually taken care of by your orientation and mobility instructor from your division of Vocational rehabilitation or whatever department serves consumers who are blind. I'm not going to say that what you asked for is all together out of the question, but your department of vocational rehabilitation is usually who does that. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 8:55 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas Subject: [nabs-l] Is This a Typical Request for Disability Services? Hi All, I start college next month, and have been trying to get everything ready, which includes meetings with Disability Services and the normal due-dates. (I never would have thought that there would be so many due-dates between college acceptance and the start of school-lesson learned there!" Although I have been getting to know my disability services, I have only just today received an accmmodations letter. One accommodation that I requested from them is to have someone walk with me to each of my classes for the first month or so, while I am still learning the layout of the campus. Travel is one of these aspects for me that I just need to have constant repetition for, and although I will be working with someone authorized by the Department of Rehab, this process is still happening and I feel that knowing myself and my travel skills, I need this. DSS seems unsure if this is possible, but is willing to discuss the matter further. I don't know if their hesitation has anything to do with the fact that I have 5 classes at 5 completely different times, although I think it would be more of a matter of me communicating with these students via text to arrange times. I have a meeting with them in two weeks, but was just wondering if you have had any similar issues with them and how you have dealt with them. Thanks, Vejas _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 02:07:20 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 22:07:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] footnotes In-Reply-To: <000401d1e473$72387690$56a963b0$@gmail.com> References: <000401d1e473$72387690$56a963b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001201d1e486$f25a2680$d70e7380$@gmail.com> Shift plus insert plus f lists footnotes in the document. Shift plus insert plus e Lists end notes in the documents. Shift plus alt plus e announces the footnote or end note at the cursor. Justin. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 7:48 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Jameyanne Fuller Subject: [nabs-l] footnotes Hi all, I've always hated footnotes. They're such a pain to find and read, on my computer or on my BrailleNote, especially since a lot of the time when something has been scanned or converted by the disabilities services office, the numbers for the footnotes are lost and I don't know what goes with what, so most of the time I just skim them or ignore them completely. But I'm guessing there might be some useful information in them, and I'm pretty sure they're important for law school. So is there some secret way to read footnotes that I'm missing? Thanks for your help! Jameyanne _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From kidbrailler at aol.com Sat Jul 23 02:09:42 2016 From: kidbrailler at aol.com (Alonza Harris) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 22:09:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Brochure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What version of JFW are you using, and what office do you have? Warm regards Alonza. > On Jul 22, 2016, at 7:09 PM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi All, > > I have been working on that brochure for five hours now, so I'm taking > a brief break. Word would not let me format the way I wanted to, so I > wrote it in HTML so that I could incorporate headings and stuff. Since > I'm new to HTML, it's taking me awhile. I have all of the information > stuff that I need, inacluding links etc. I do have to add a section on > why people should join NABS though, and of course I will mention the > listserve. So the real question is, why do people join NABS? I have my > own reasons, but I want to hear from all of you as well. Thanks! > > Best, > Cricket Bidleman > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kidbrailler%40aol.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 02:10:08 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 22:10:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Brochure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001301d1e487$569665f0$03c331d0$@gmail.com> I was a student, and so I joined for the networking and the huge cross section of people here. Also, Now I'm working as a Youth Transition specialist so I supposed that this will help me professionally. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 7:10 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: Cricket Bidleman Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Brochure Hi All, I have been working on that brochure for five hours now, so I'm taking a brief break. Word would not let me format the way I wanted to, so I wrote it in HTML so that I could incorporate headings and stuff. Since I'm new to HTML, it's taking me awhile. I have all of the information stuff that I need, inacluding links etc. I do have to add a section on why people should join NABS though, and of course I will mention the listserve. So the real question is, why do people join NABS? I have my own reasons, but I want to hear from all of you as well. Thanks! Best, Cricket Bidleman _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From awildheir at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 02:15:50 2016 From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 22:15:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Study Methods and Tools In-Reply-To: <000301d1e472$f3305250$d990f6f0$@gmail.com> References: <3FA40492-5012-4649-8555-F540BA91741E@gmail.com> <1561478eec8.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> <000301d1e472$f3305250$d990f6f0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7270936F-81B9-42B4-B5D1-C118040EC88F@gmail.com> Hello Jameyanne, Do you know where you will be attending law school? As far as taking notes o in law school, they want you to listen to what is being said and write down ideas like who the law protects, how does it protect them, what are the elements of the law, what kind of test is used to see if the elements have been met, and if they have been met, what do we do. I have not gotten this down as of yet. I still try to take down what is said and then look at it later to figure out those things I listed above. Aimee Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 22, 2016, at 7:44 PM, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Amy, > I don't make flashcards for all classes, only classes that have a lot of > memorizing. I make Braille flashcards, using index cards and a Perkins > Brailler. I'll generally use 3 by 5 cards, especially if it's just like > vocab or names and dates, but in my sophomore year of college, I actually > got 5 by 8 index cards (at least I think they were that size) and copied out > all the Italian verb conjugations and noun endings and basically all of > Italian grammar, and that was really helpful for me. I'm a strong believer > in the idea that reading, writing, and speaking something cements it in your > memory, so this is why I use Braille for flash cards (even though it did > result in an entire bin of Italian vocab and grammar cards at the end of the > year), because I retain information better in Braille than just listening to > it. I also make sure to speak aloud what I'm putting on the flash cards, and > when I quiz myself I do it aloud. > I didn't make flash cards in every class. Sometimes I would just read > through my notes, sometimes I would copy out my notes in a different > way--shuffle things around so they're in a different order or something like > that. In some classes I found a study buddy, and we would review the notes > together and answer each other's questions. > In terms of notetaking, I don't do what they tell you to do. I don't write > down only key information or use abbreviated sentences or stuff like that. I > type in Braille really fast, like I can keep pace with the teacher talking > no problem, and it's actually easier for me to pay attention if I'm > constantly taking notes than if I'm only writing down the most important > facts, because my mind will wander off topic super fast. But that's just me, > really. > I'm interested to hear how other people take notes, especially since I'm > about to start law school and I'm not sure what's an effective way to take > notes when the class is taught using the Socratic method. > Jameyanne > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee Harwood > via NABS-L > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 6:02 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Aimee Harwood > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Study Methods and Tools > > Yes I think adding how to take notes to my question would be a wonderful > idea. I did not get a lot of this training or information growing up. I have > kinda been winging it. I was one of the first people in my area to be a part > of the inclusion program so I only went to a school for the blind for three > years. I think that a school for the blind might have been better at > teaching me the skills and also I might have remained a braille reader > throughout school. A year after I went to public school, I was transferred > from braille to large print. I know many braille readers who have been > lifelong braille readers who are very fast at reading and writing braille. > I use a braille display so I can keep up on what braille I know in hopes > that I will become faster. > > When you guys talk about study and note-taking in your answer my previous > questions, please do include as much references to braille as you like. > > > > Eagerly waiting to hear what you have to say, > Aimee > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 22, 2016, at 5:18 PM, Aaron via NABS-L wrote: >> >> I have been wondering this as well. I have been trying to find a good way > to study and also take notes. >> Thanks, >> Aaron >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 02:19:13 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 22:19:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Study Methods and Tools In-Reply-To: <3FA40492-5012-4649-8555-F540BA91741E@gmail.com> References: <3FA40492-5012-4649-8555-F540BA91741E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004101d1e488$9b2e4100$d18ac300$@gmail.com> During my first stint in college, I used a notetaker, you guys remember the Braille N speak don't you? I could type really fast and listen to the teacher at the same time. My most recent foray into college found me without the notetaker, so I used my laptop, a great memory, and a strong knowledge base. My recent master's degree was in rehabilitation counseling, and sense I'd been working in the field, I already possessed a great deal of information. The other method was getting the professor to send me the PowerPoint, or downloading it from blackboard. That, combined combined with reading the book was really effective. I found that reading the chapter helped my class participation, and had it so that I didn't need a lot of notetaking, especially if the exam was open note, because I already know where to find the information. I do find that braille is amazing when I use it however. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee Harwood via NABS-L Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 5:04 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: Aimee Harwood Subject: [nabs-l] Study Methods and Tools Hello everybody. I am curious what methods you find most efficient and effective when studying. Do you use brailed flashcards or a flash card app on an iPhone or iPad? Aside from having a person quiz you, what do you find beneficial? I have been out of the university setting for 13 years and a lot has changed. I have not had a lot of exposure to different techniques and tactics for blind people. I would really like to hear what you all have used however conventional or unconventional. Aimee Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 02:23:53 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 22:23:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Is This a Typical Request for Disability Services? In-Reply-To: <85642946-F443-46C7-AACB-4DB805CBD92E@gmail.com> References: <5792c071.d367620a.67b46.824c@mx.google.com> <85642946-F443-46C7-AACB-4DB805CBD92E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <006501d1e489$4238b480$c6aa1d80$@gmail.com> Mine actually sais that they would also, but they also said that it was a very short term thing because they just didn't have the man power. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Logan Anderson via NABS-L Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 9:53 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Logan Anderson Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is This a Typical Request for Disability Services? Hi, I to begin college in less than a month. I have not requested this particular service from my disability services office, but they have told me several times it is very typical to have someone help you learn the campus. Though they have said that it is typically only a few days that this person will help you. I am in the process of requesting my accommodations from them, and will probably have no & M on my list of things that I am going to ask for help with, but I myself don't need a long-term partner. I honestly don't think my disability services office even offers a long-term option like this. I don't have much insight on the situation, but I am sure they will willingly work with whatever you need to help you succeed in college. If you are working through the vocational rehabilitation system in your area, if there is one, then they also might have assistance that they can offer you with this question. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 22, 2016, at 8:54 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi All, > I start college next month, and have been trying to get everything ready, which includes meetings with Disability Services and the normal due-dates. (I never would have thought that there would be so many due-dates between college acceptance and the start of school-lesson learned there!" > Although I have been getting to know my disability services, I have only just today received an accmmodations letter. > One accommodation that I requested from them is to have someone walk with me to each of my classes for the first month or so, while I am still learning the layout of the campus. Travel is one of these aspects for me that I just need to have constant repetition for, and although I will be working with someone authorized by the Department of Rehab, this process is still happening and I feel that knowing myself and my travel skills, I need this. DSS seems unsure if this is possible, but is willing to discuss the matter further. I don't know if their hesitation has anything to do with the fact that I have 5 classes at 5 completely different times, although I think it would be more of a matter of me communicating with these students via text to arrange times. > I have a meeting with them in two weeks, but was just wondering if you have had any similar issues with them and how you have dealt with them. > Thanks, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/logan4447%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 02:52:17 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 19:52:17 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Brochure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm using JAWS 17. No idea what operating system I'm running. It's a district device, and I can't really check. The site tech who came out to install JAWS for me screwed up a whole bunch of settings, so I've been spending the last three months trying to figure out which ones they are and fixing things. It's always the little things that get me. Anyway, I figured out a way to get that formatting done. Thanks for the offer though! Best, Cricket Bidleman On 7/22/16, Alonza Harris via NABS-L wrote: > What version of JFW are you using, and what office do you have? > > Warm regards > > > > Alonza. > >> On Jul 22, 2016, at 7:09 PM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> I have been working on that brochure for five hours now, so I'm taking >> a brief break. Word would not let me format the way I wanted to, so I >> wrote it in HTML so that I could incorporate headings and stuff. Since >> I'm new to HTML, it's taking me awhile. I have all of the information >> stuff that I need, inacluding links etc. I do have to add a section on >> why people should join NABS though, and of course I will mention the >> listserve. So the real question is, why do people join NABS? I have my >> own reasons, but I want to hear from all of you as well. Thanks! >> >> Best, >> Cricket Bidleman >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kidbrailler%40aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 02:55:01 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 22:55:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Share with Media,Social Media Pages and Groups!` In-Reply-To: <360AB8A8-6132-48A3-914B-58291CDECF5E@mtmail.mtsu.edu> References: <360AB8A8-6132-48A3-914B-58291CDECF5E@mtmail.mtsu.edu> Message-ID: <006601d1e48d$9bf45de0$d3dd19a0$@gmail.com> Well done. Clap Clap Clap. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of James Alan Boehm via NABS-L Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 9:35 PM To: Sarah Patnaude via nabs-l Cc: James Alan Boehm Subject: [nabs-l] Share with Media,Social Media Pages and Groups!` Criminal Charges Filed Against Uber Driver Stranding Guid e Dog Team… See attachment! James Alan Boehm Contact Information: Phone: 901-483-1515 Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com NFB Email: secretary at nfb-tn.org Kustom Cane: kustomcane at gmail.com Blindness never limits-low expectations do! Live the life you want! From gallagher123123 at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 03:11:48 2016 From: gallagher123123 at gmail.com (Cullen) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 23:11:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Brochure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9512B84D-F730-4C78-8A1A-ECD8197FD2CF@gmail.com> Oh god, that’s annoying. i hate when people touch my computer settings and don’t bother telling me what you changed. Lol, the joys of having someone install software. Cullen > On Jul 22, 2016, at 10:52 PM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: > > I'm using JAWS 17. No idea what operating system I'm running. It's a > district device, and I can't really check. The site tech who came out > to install JAWS for me screwed up a whole bunch of settings, so I've > been spending the last three months trying to figure out which ones > they are and fixing things. It's always the little things that get me. > Anyway, I figured out a way to get that formatting done. Thanks for > the offer though! > > Best, > Cricket Bidleman > > On 7/22/16, Alonza Harris via NABS-L wrote: >> What version of JFW are you using, and what office do you have? >> >> Warm regards >> >> >> >> Alonza. >> >>> On Jul 22, 2016, at 7:09 PM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I have been working on that brochure for five hours now, so I'm taking >>> a brief break. Word would not let me format the way I wanted to, so I >>> wrote it in HTML so that I could incorporate headings and stuff. Since >>> I'm new to HTML, it's taking me awhile. I have all of the information >>> stuff that I need, inacluding links etc. I do have to add a section on >>> why people should join NABS though, and of course I will mention the >>> listserve. So the real question is, why do people join NABS? I have my >>> own reasons, but I want to hear from all of you as well. Thanks! >>> >>> Best, >>> Cricket Bidleman >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kidbrailler%40aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gallagher123123%40gmail.com From kmaent1 at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 03:55:20 2016 From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 23:55:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Database accessibility Message-ID: <5792ead3.ce37810a.de316.d001@mx.google.com> Robobraille is a website that converts files for blind people. You can either go to the site, upload your file, and have it converted, or you can e-mail the file to convert at robobraille.org with the file type you want it converted to (doc, rtf, etc.) in the subject line. I mostly use it for inaccessible PDFs. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: It has been a few years since I used this, but google scholar has an option where you can put in your school and it will automatically include a link in your search results if the resource is available through your school's library. I don't know if this will allow you to get past your inaccessible school library interface or not but I found it very helpful since the Google interface is far easier to navigate than many online databases. Best, Greg On 7/22/16, Justin Williams via NABS-L Footnotes are incredibly important. Often times they have substantive comments, and even when they don't, they show you what evidence a claim is based on, or in your case what statute or case supports a particular legal interpretation. I'll put on my history major hat for a second and also point out that looking at footnotes and bibliographies is one of the best ways to do research and find out what the important works are on your topic if you start by reading the most recent thing you know of on your topic and then read the important things that were cited and then read the important things cited in those sources. Justin gave you the commands for reading footnotes that are actually formatted as footnotes in word, but typically in a scann the notes are just part of the text either at the bottom of the page or at the end of the book or chapter. I haven't had much trouble with the note numbers disappearing, but I read mostly bookshare books. You might try talking to your DSS and impressing on them how important footnotes are if you have a systematic issue with the numbers not showing up. Often changing scanner settings affects things like this. If I'm reading something and the detail is only moderately important, I just read the notes at the bottom of each page, and it's typically clear what they go to. If the notes are at the end of the book, I usually go read all the notes after each chapter or sometimes each subsection. If some claim made in the text is important to my research, I will look up the note that goes with it using the search feature, and similarly if I'm doing a close reading I'll go look up each footnote by searching for that number and then searching backwords to find the original note number and continue reading. HTH, Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L I typically only write down two sorts of things. First important points not really because I couldn't find them in the book later, but because I remember things better if I've written them down. And second, details that weren't in the book or my own ideas about the material being covered. Most of my classes have been discussion based, so it doesn't make sense to write down what everyone says just the thins I really want to remember. HTH, Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: I have been wondering this as well. I have been trying to find a good way to study and also take notes. Thanks, Aaron _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma il.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 04:01:05 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 00:01:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] footnotes In-Reply-To: <5792ead7.ce37810a.de316.d002@mx.google.com> References: <5792ead7.ce37810a.de316.d002@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <007501d1e496$d693e8e0$83bbbaa0$@gmail.com> Sometimes, the endnotes, footnotes and references can giv eyou ideas as to how to continue your research I use the citations in articles as keys to furthering my research. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 11:55 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Karl Martin Adam Subject: Re: [nabs-l] footnotes Footnotes are incredibly important. Often times they have substantive comments, and even when they don't, they show you what evidence a claim is based on, or in your case what statute or case supports a particular legal interpretation. I'll put on my history major hat for a second and also point out that looking at footnotes and bibliographies is one of the best ways to do research and find out what the important works are on your topic if you start by reading the most recent thing you know of on your topic and then read the important things that were cited and then read the important things cited in those sources. Justin gave you the commands for reading footnotes that are actually formatted as footnotes in word, but typically in a scann the notes are just part of the text either at the bottom of the page or at the end of the book or chapter. I haven't had much trouble with the note numbers disappearing, but I read mostly bookshare books. You might try talking to your DSS and impressing on them how important footnotes are if you have a systematic issue with the numbers not showing up. Often changing scanner settings affects things like this. If I'm reading something and the detail is only moderately important, I just read the notes at the bottom of each page, and it's typically clear what they go to. If the notes are at the end of the book, I usually go read all the notes after each chapter or sometimes each subsection. If some claim made in the text is important to my research, I will look up the note that goes with it using the search feature, and similarly if I'm doing a close reading I'll go look up each footnote by searching for that number and then searching backwords to find the original note number and continue reading. HTH, Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L References: <3FA40492-5012-4649-8555-F540BA91741E@gmail.com><1561478eec8.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9A6C41D8FA8743C1890326CF1561000C@OwnerPC> Amy, Are you taking notes on a braille notetaker? How do you take notes? The methods you use to take the notes will impact the answers and strategies I might have. I use my braille notetaker primarily for notetaking. I also know print, but have used braille for most reading tasks as its easier and not fatiguing. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Aimee Harwood via NABS-L Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 6:02 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Aimee Harwood Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Study Methods and Tools Yes I think adding how to take notes to my question would be a wonderful idea. I did not get a lot of this training or information growing up. I have kinda been winging it. I was one of the first people in my area to be a part of the inclusion program so I only went to a school for the blind for three years. I think that a school for the blind might have been better at teaching me the skills and also I might have remained a braille reader throughout school. A year after I went to public school, I was transferred from braille to large print. I know many braille readers who have been lifelong braille readers who are very fast at reading and writing braille. I use a braille display so I can keep up on what braille I know in hopes that I will become faster. When you guys talk about study and note-taking in your answer my previous questions, please do include as much references to braille as you like. Eagerly waiting to hear what you have to say, Aimee Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 22, 2016, at 5:18 PM, Aaron via NABS-L wrote: > > I have been wondering this as well. I have been trying to find a good way > to study and also take notes. > Thanks, > Aaron > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Jul 23 04:13:10 2016 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 00:13:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Study Methods and Tools In-Reply-To: <000301d1e472$f3305250$d990f6f0$@gmail.com> References: <3FA40492-5012-4649-8555-F540BA91741E@gmail.com> <1561478eec8.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> <000301d1e472$f3305250$d990f6f0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3D0EC1028E0C4DFB97258A87292E7180@OwnerPC> Jameyanne, Good luck with law school. Law school is not only about knowing the laws but interpretations. So, you will have more analysis than just facts. I'm not surprised the socratic method is used a lot in law school. We used that some in english classes. I suggest for classes using this way, you take down ideas based off the questions. Its not about facts or dates in a class using the socratic method. So, I'd say write down major points and ideas. If someone has a position, write down that and how they concluded that thing. I also write real fast in braille. For some classes, I write key things down. For others, I write most everything. It depends on how the instructor teaches and how much their lecture duplicates the textbook. If they duplicate the text, I am less likely to write down everything. I'll just write major things down they say particularly info not in the text. I try to read the text ahead of class so I'm aware what is in it. HTH, Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 7:44 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Jameyanne Fuller Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Study Methods and Tools Hi Amy, I don't make flashcards for all classes, only classes that have a lot of memorizing. I make Braille flashcards, using index cards and a Perkins Brailler. I'll generally use 3 by 5 cards, especially if it's just like vocab or names and dates, but in my sophomore year of college, I actually got 5 by 8 index cards (at least I think they were that size) and copied out all the Italian verb conjugations and noun endings and basically all of Italian grammar, and that was really helpful for me. I'm a strong believer in the idea that reading, writing, and speaking something cements it in your memory, so this is why I use Braille for flash cards (even though it did result in an entire bin of Italian vocab and grammar cards at the end of the year), because I retain information better in Braille than just listening to it. I also make sure to speak aloud what I'm putting on the flash cards, and when I quiz myself I do it aloud. I didn't make flash cards in every class. Sometimes I would just read through my notes, sometimes I would copy out my notes in a different way--shuffle things around so they're in a different order or something like that. In some classes I found a study buddy, and we would review the notes together and answer each other's questions. In terms of notetaking, I don't do what they tell you to do. I don't write down only key information or use abbreviated sentences or stuff like that. I type in Braille really fast, like I can keep pace with the teacher talking no problem, and it's actually easier for me to pay attention if I'm constantly taking notes than if I'm only writing down the most important facts, because my mind will wander off topic super fast. But that's just me, really. I'm interested to hear how other people take notes, especially since I'm about to start law school and I'm not sure what's an effective way to take notes when the class is taught using the Socratic method. Jameyanne -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee Harwood via NABS-L Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 6:02 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Aimee Harwood Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Study Methods and Tools Yes I think adding how to take notes to my question would be a wonderful idea. I did not get a lot of this training or information growing up. I have kinda been winging it. I was one of the first people in my area to be a part of the inclusion program so I only went to a school for the blind for three years. I think that a school for the blind might have been better at teaching me the skills and also I might have remained a braille reader throughout school. A year after I went to public school, I was transferred from braille to large print. I know many braille readers who have been lifelong braille readers who are very fast at reading and writing braille. I use a braille display so I can keep up on what braille I know in hopes that I will become faster. When you guys talk about study and note-taking in your answer my previous questions, please do include as much references to braille as you like. Eagerly waiting to hear what you have to say, Aimee Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 22, 2016, at 5:18 PM, Aaron via NABS-L wrote: > > I have been wondering this as well. I have been trying to find a good way to study and also take notes. > Thanks, > Aaron > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Jul 23 04:36:21 2016 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 00:36:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] footnotes In-Reply-To: <007501d1e496$d693e8e0$83bbbaa0$@gmail.com> References: <5792ead7.ce37810a.de316.d002@mx.google.com> <007501d1e496$d693e8e0$83bbbaa0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6C3CF7A4235B45A29328A0BB422FBFC1@OwnerPC> Justin, I do likewise. I use the citations in articles as keys to furthering my research. I can use the reference list fine with the citations. They are at the end of articles and easy to find. But with jaws, footnotes have proved impossible. Jaws will sometimes read the footnote numbers and other times it sees them as other odd characteristics or superscripts. I will hear the numbers, but do not know to what they refer to. A sighted person can glance down at the bottom of a page and read it, but with a screen reader, you're stuck on the line you have the cursor on to read. I suppose the find command might get you to the bottom but then you have to find your place again. Anyways, if you found the footnotes or endnotes useful, that is good. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Justin Williams via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 12:01 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Justin Williams Subject: Re: [nabs-l] footnotes Sometimes, the endnotes, footnotes and references can giv eyou ideas as to how to continue your research I use the citations in articles as keys to furthering my research. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 11:55 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Karl Martin Adam Subject: Re: [nabs-l] footnotes Footnotes are incredibly important. Often times they have substantive comments, and even when they don't, they show you what evidence a claim is based on, or in your case what statute or case supports a particular legal interpretation. I'll put on my history major hat for a second and also point out that looking at footnotes and bibliographies is one of the best ways to do research and find out what the important works are on your topic if you start by reading the most recent thing you know of on your topic and then read the important things that were cited and then read the important things cited in those sources. Justin gave you the commands for reading footnotes that are actually formatted as footnotes in word, but typically in a scann the notes are just part of the text either at the bottom of the page or at the end of the book or chapter. I haven't had much trouble with the note numbers disappearing, but I read mostly bookshare books. You might try talking to your DSS and impressing on them how important footnotes are if you have a systematic issue with the numbers not showing up. Often changing scanner settings affects things like this. If I'm reading something and the detail is only moderately important, I just read the notes at the bottom of each page, and it's typically clear what they go to. If the notes are at the end of the book, I usually go read all the notes after each chapter or sometimes each subsection. If some claim made in the text is important to my research, I will look up the note that goes with it using the search feature, and similarly if I'm doing a close reading I'll go look up each footnote by searching for that number and then searching backwords to find the original note number and continue reading. HTH, Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L References: <3FA40492-5012-4649-8555-F540BA91741E@gmail.com> <1561478eec8.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> <000301d1e472$f3305250$d990f6f0$@gmail.com> <3D0EC1028E0C4DFB97258A87292E7180@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi all, Definitely do take your own notes. A lot of universities, my college included, automatically give blind students the accommodation of volunteer notetakers. I have always taken my own notes since that accommodation wasn't something on my IEP in middle and high school, but that aside I wouldn't want someone else taking notes for me because writing them down does help, and the only time I will ask for someone else's notes is if I miss a class. I took notes on my BrailleNote during high school and was able to type quickly while listening to the teacher. I also found that reading my notes in braille worked a little better than just using the computer alone like I did early on in college. Now I do take notes on the computer because the qwerty keyboard allows me to type slightly faster than I can on a BT keyboard, but I do usually save them in either word or text format so I can pop them onto an SD card and instantly read them on the BrailleSense I have now. I honestly don't use bluetooth connectivity to use a braille display through my notetaker with the computer, but I've found that is okay because it allows me to concentrate on taking the notes while in class, and reading them later. Typically I write down things that I either want to emphasize in my studying, things I can't find in the book, and any helpful tricks or phrases the professor or other students might offer. My anatomy notes were riddled with neumonic devices because those help me a lot, but I know they don't always work for everyone. For studying I usually read the notes and passages from the book. I find that also taking notes while you do reading on your own even if you're not required to is really helpful for me. Working in study groups is also really beneficial because different people catch different things or remember different tricks that you can share back and forth. On 7/23/16, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L wrote: > Jameyanne, > > Good luck with law school. Law school is not only about knowing the laws but > > interpretations. So, you will have more analysis than just facts. > I'm not surprised the socratic method is used a lot in law school. We used > that some in english classes. > I suggest for classes using this way, you take down ideas based off the > questions. Its not about facts or dates in a class using the socratic > method. So, I'd say write down major points and ideas. If someone has a > position, write down that and how they concluded that thing. > > I also write real fast in braille. For some classes, I write key things > down. For others, I write most everything. It depends on how the instructor > > teaches and how much their lecture duplicates the textbook. If they > duplicate the text, I am less likely to write down everything. I'll just > write major things down they say particularly info not in the text. I try to > > read the text ahead of class so I'm aware what is in it. > > HTH, > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 7:44 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Cc: Jameyanne Fuller > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Study Methods and Tools > > Hi Amy, > I don't make flashcards for all classes, only classes that have a lot of > memorizing. I make Braille flashcards, using index cards and a Perkins > Brailler. I'll generally use 3 by 5 cards, especially if it's just like > vocab or names and dates, but in my sophomore year of college, I actually > got 5 by 8 index cards (at least I think they were that size) and copied > out > all the Italian verb conjugations and noun endings and basically all of > Italian grammar, and that was really helpful for me. I'm a strong believer > in the idea that reading, writing, and speaking something cements it in > your > memory, so this is why I use Braille for flash cards (even though it did > result in an entire bin of Italian vocab and grammar cards at the end of > the > year), because I retain information better in Braille than just listening > to > it. I also make sure to speak aloud what I'm putting on the flash cards, > and > when I quiz myself I do it aloud. > I didn't make flash cards in every class. Sometimes I would just read > through my notes, sometimes I would copy out my notes in a different > way--shuffle things around so they're in a different order or something > like > that. In some classes I found a study buddy, and we would review the notes > together and answer each other's questions. > In terms of notetaking, I don't do what they tell you to do. I don't write > down only key information or use abbreviated sentences or stuff like that. > I > type in Braille really fast, like I can keep pace with the teacher talking > no problem, and it's actually easier for me to pay attention if I'm > constantly taking notes than if I'm only writing down the most important > facts, because my mind will wander off topic super fast. But that's just > me, > really. > I'm interested to hear how other people take notes, especially since I'm > about to start law school and I'm not sure what's an effective way to take > notes when the class is taught using the Socratic method. > Jameyanne > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee Harwood > via NABS-L > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 6:02 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Aimee Harwood > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Study Methods and Tools > > Yes I think adding how to take notes to my question would be a wonderful > idea. I did not get a lot of this training or information growing up. I > have > kinda been winging it. I was one of the first people in my area to be a > part > of the inclusion program so I only went to a school for the blind for three > years. I think that a school for the blind might have been better at > teaching me the skills and also I might have remained a braille reader > throughout school. A year after I went to public school, I was transferred > from braille to large print. I know many braille readers who have been > lifelong braille readers who are very fast at reading and writing braille. > I use a braille display so I can keep up on what braille I know in hopes > that I will become faster. > > When you guys talk about study and note-taking in your answer my previous > questions, please do include as much references to braille as you like. > > > > Eagerly waiting to hear what you have to say, > Aimee > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 22, 2016, at 5:18 PM, Aaron via NABS-L wrote: >> >> I have been wondering this as well. I have been trying to find a good way > to study and also take notes. >> Thanks, >> Aaron >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti Shelton From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 05:11:26 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 01:11:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] footnotes In-Reply-To: <6C3CF7A4235B45A29328A0BB422FBFC1@OwnerPC> References: <5792ead7.ce37810a.de316.d002@mx.google.com> <007501d1e496$d693e8e0$83bbbaa0$@gmail.com> <6C3CF7A4235B45A29328A0BB422FBFC1@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <008301d1e4a0$aa8d6af0$ffa840d0$@gmail.com> To hold your place with jaws, use the windows key, or start button, control k. To return to your place with jaws, use alt windows key. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 12:36 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Ashley Bramlett Subject: Re: [nabs-l] footnotes Justin, I do likewise. I use the citations in articles as keys to furthering my research. I can use the reference list fine with the citations. They are at the end of articles and easy to find. But with jaws, footnotes have proved impossible. Jaws will sometimes read the footnote numbers and other times it sees them as other odd characteristics or superscripts. I will hear the numbers, but do not know to what they refer to. A sighted person can glance down at the bottom of a page and read it, but with a screen reader, you're stuck on the line you have the cursor on to read. I suppose the find command might get you to the bottom but then you have to find your place again. Anyways, if you found the footnotes or endnotes useful, that is good. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Justin Williams via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 12:01 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Justin Williams Subject: Re: [nabs-l] footnotes Sometimes, the endnotes, footnotes and references can giv eyou ideas as to how to continue your research I use the citations in articles as keys to furthering my research. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 11:55 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Karl Martin Adam Subject: Re: [nabs-l] footnotes Footnotes are incredibly important. Often times they have substantive comments, and even when they don't, they show you what evidence a claim is based on, or in your case what statute or case supports a particular legal interpretation. I'll put on my history major hat for a second and also point out that looking at footnotes and bibliographies is one of the best ways to do research and find out what the important works are on your topic if you start by reading the most recent thing you know of on your topic and then read the important things that were cited and then read the important things cited in those sources. Justin gave you the commands for reading footnotes that are actually formatted as footnotes in word, but typically in a scann the notes are just part of the text either at the bottom of the page or at the end of the book or chapter. I haven't had much trouble with the note numbers disappearing, but I read mostly bookshare books. You might try talking to your DSS and impressing on them how important footnotes are if you have a systematic issue with the numbers not showing up. Often changing scanner settings affects things like this. If I'm reading something and the detail is only moderately important, I just read the notes at the bottom of each page, and it's typically clear what they go to. If the notes are at the end of the book, I usually go read all the notes after each chapter or sometimes each subsection. If some claim made in the text is important to my research, I will look up the note that goes with it using the search feature, and similarly if I'm doing a close reading I'll go look up each footnote by searching for that number and then searching backwords to find the original note number and continue reading. HTH, Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L References: <5792ead3.ce37810a.de316.d001@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi all, Thanks for all the responses since my last email. I'll try to respond a bit to a few things: Justin: Ah, I see what you're saying. I get where you're coming from using it as an accommodation so I will use that if I absolutely have to. I also do see why it is important to try to branch out, but we're in a bit of a bind if it simply can't be done or would require significant assistance every time we just want to browse for research material. Greg: Thanks for the keystroke you mentioned. I have Jaws 13 still because a piece of software I need to keep installed for school hasn't caught up with recent jaws versions, but sooner or later I will need to update it. Katie and Greg as well: I do use google scholar a bit. Thanks for those tips on it; I didn't know I could do those things with it. Psycinfo is something that I have had success with as well, but somehow I overlooked it. I know in the research methods class I'll need to take that we're encouraged to use music therapy-specific databases, but since that one is reputable and does have some music therapy articles in there I don't see why it wouldn't be acceptable so long as I show I am still trying to use the databases mentioned in class. I'll see what my professor says when I get to talking about that class with her... I'm asking actually quite in advance. Katie and Karl: I had that issue when I worked on a thesis paper last fall. Thank goodness for APA, though I do wish robo braille would retain the page numbers as well. I suppose that in the worst possible scenario you could save the pdf file and the accessible version, copy and paste the text you're searching for into the search box in adobe to find it, and use Be My Eyes or possibly KNFB Reader to find the page number if no one sighted was around, but I have yet to try this. General note about robobraille: It is wonderful. Definitely not perfect, but super fast and great for those moments when you're given assignments and don't know if disability services would convert them for you in time. One thing I do appreciate about it is that you receive an email back with your converted document within just a few minutes, usually in under 15. I hope that covers everything I wanted to respond to. Thanks for the thinktank. On 7/22/16, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L wrote: > Robobraille is a website that converts > files for blind people. You can either go to the site, upload > your file, and have it converted, or you can e-mail the file to > convert at robobraille.org with the file type you want it converted > to (doc, rtf, etc.) in the subject line. I mostly use it for > inaccessible PDFs. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 19:30:45 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Database accessibility > > What is this RoboBraille that's been mentioned a couple times? > Jameyanne > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl > Martin > Adam via NABS-L > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 5:40 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Karl Martin Adam Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Database accessibility > > Thanks Katie. Well at least now I know it's not just me. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Katie Wang via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 16:51:26 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Database accessibility > > Hi Karl, > > Unfortunately I have not found an effective solution for > preserving > page numbers when converting image-based pdfs. Luckily for me, > APA > Style only requires authors to include page numbers with their > in-text > citations when they are using exact quotes, so I don't encounter > this > issue a lot, but in those rare instances when I do need such > information I still find sighted assistance necessary. Sorry I > can't > be of more help! > > Katie > > On 7/22/16, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L wrote: > Hi Katie, do you know of a way to get robobraille to preserve > pagination when it converts an image PDF? When I have used it > it > always strips out the page numbers, which of course means I > can't > properly cite the article in research. > > Thanks, > Karl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Katie Wang via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 14:18:08 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Database accessibility > > Hi Kaiti, > > Accessibility varies a lot across databases. As a psychologist, > I > primarily use PsycInfo and have found it very accessible. I > don't > know > much about the specific field of music therapy, but I imagine > that a > lot of the research you cite might be indexed in PsycInfo, so I > would > encourage you to give the database a try if you haven't already. > I > also really love Google Scholar. As Greg pointed out, if you use > Google Scholar while you are on your university's wireless > network (or > while you are logged in through VPN from off-campus), you will > be > provided with links to specific journal articles that fit your > search > criteria. Regardless of which database you use, it is inevitable > that > some of the journal articles located would be image-based pdfs > or > pdfs > that do not interface well with JAWS, so I do a lot of > conversion > either via OpenBook or by emailing to RoboBraille. Hope this > helps! > > Katie > > On 7/22/16, Greg Aikens via NABS-L wrote: > It has been a few years since I used this, but google scholar > has an > option where you can put in your school and it will > automatically > include a link in your search results if the resource is > available > through your school's library. I don't know if this will allow > you to > get past your inaccessible school library interface or not but > I > found > it very helpful since the Google interface is far easier to > navigate > than many online databases. > > Best, > Greg > > > On 7/22/16, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: > I've used that though as an accommodation. There is a point > where if I > can't find accessible information, then either I use that as an > accommodation so I can have enough resources. If I can't > access > the > databases and professional journals, then I can't access them. > I've got > to > get as many of the professional resources as I can, then just > fill in the > gaps and flesh it out with other resources. I prefer to use > the > professional journals whenever possible. > > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Kaiti > Shelton > via NABS-L > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 2:05 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Kaiti Shelton Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Database accessibility > > Hi Justin, > > Forgot to mention I already do that as well. I have had pretty > good luck > finding things that way, but it's a bit trickier in a research > methods > class > where the prof wants to see we're using databases. > Nevertheless, I do actually really like using books in > research. > We do > have > a find command in most technologies that helps, and I > definitely > am a > Bookshare junkie in particular. > > On 7/21/16, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: > Books from the bard website, learning ally, and some articles > from > reputable online sites could help. > I know books take a while to read sometimes, but they can help > with > backing up evidence. > > Justin , > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Kaiti > Shelton via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:38 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Kaiti Shelton Subject: [nabs-l] Database accessibility > > Hi all, > > The recent discussion on academic challenges has got me > thinking. > Especially for those of you who are in fields where reesearch > is > an > important part of what you are/will be doing following college, > how do > you navigate around inaccessible databases online? I have a > working > system in place with disability services to tide me over > through > the > remainder of my undergraduate career including my required > internship > after graduation, but thinking long-term I'm concerned about > this > issue being problematic if I ever decide to do research on my > own, or > am invited by colleagues to participate in a study. I > obviously > would > want to do my fair share of lit reviews if that were the case, > so I'd > love to hear if anyone has tips or tricks that go beyond using > resources from the disability services office at your > university. > > I should add that I am still trying to figure out an accessible > way to > access my professional organization's journals online, which is > a huge > part of this problem I think. The database I find the most > helpful is > from Temple University but it links directly to these journal > articles > in many cases, which is the major hang-up there. On a more > short-term > note, one of the things my professors want me to do is to > expand > the > sources I use for research papers since I tend to rely on the > tried-and true databases and resources that I have the least > amount of > hassle in reading. I completely understand where they're > coming > from > and why having information from a variety of sources would lend > credence to evidence. Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > -- > Kaiti Shelton > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > NABS-L: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia > ms2%4 > 0gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > NABS-L: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine > t104% > 40gmail.com > > > > -- > Kaiti Shelton > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > NABS-L: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia > ms2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > NABS-L: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gm > ail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > NABS-L: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%4 > 0gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%4 > 0gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti Shelton From gpaikens at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 07:27:35 2016 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 03:27:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Study Methods and Tools In-Reply-To: References: <3FA40492-5012-4649-8555-F540BA91741E@gmail.com> <1561478eec8.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> <000301d1e472$f3305250$d990f6f0$@gmail.com> <3D0EC1028E0C4DFB97258A87292E7180@OwnerPC> Message-ID: For taking notes, I found it most helpful to write directly on the power point file or on the plain text outline I generated from the power point file. In grad school, all of my professors posted all of their lectures on Blackboard and my sighted colleagues would print them off and write on them. Writing on the file gives the benefit of actually seeing how the ideas are organized. I found that this greatly improved my note taking over when I just listened and wrote down what I thought sounded important. I did this using my laptop but now there are several notetaker and mobile+braille display options that will let you do this in braille. Best, Greg > On Jul 23, 2016, at 1:03 AM, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi all, > > Definitely do take your own notes. A lot of universities, my college > included, automatically give blind students the accommodation of > volunteer notetakers. I have always taken my own notes since that > accommodation wasn't something on my IEP in middle and high school, > but that aside I wouldn't want someone else taking notes for me > because writing them down does help, and the only time I will ask for > someone else's notes is if I miss a class. I took notes on my > BrailleNote during high school and was able to type quickly while > listening to the teacher. I also found that reading my notes in > braille worked a little better than just using the computer alone like > I did early on in college. Now I do take notes on the computer > because the qwerty keyboard allows me to type slightly faster than I > can on a BT keyboard, but I do usually save them in either word or > text format so I can pop them onto an SD card and instantly read them > on the BrailleSense I have now. I honestly don't use bluetooth > connectivity to use a braille display through my notetaker with the > computer, but I've found that is okay because it allows me to > concentrate on taking the notes while in class, and reading them > later. Typically I write down things that I either want to emphasize > in my studying, things I can't find in the book, and any helpful > tricks or phrases the professor or other students might offer. My > anatomy notes were riddled with neumonic devices because those help me > a lot, but I know they don't always work for everyone. > > For studying I usually read the notes and passages from the book. I > find that also taking notes while you do reading on your own even if > you're not required to is really helpful for me. Working in study > groups is also really beneficial because different people catch > different things or remember different tricks that you can share back > and forth. > > On 7/23/16, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L wrote: >> Jameyanne, >> >> Good luck with law school. Law school is not only about knowing the laws but >> >> interpretations. So, you will have more analysis than just facts. >> I'm not surprised the socratic method is used a lot in law school. We used >> that some in english classes. >> I suggest for classes using this way, you take down ideas based off the >> questions. Its not about facts or dates in a class using the socratic >> method. So, I'd say write down major points and ideas. If someone has a >> position, write down that and how they concluded that thing. >> >> I also write real fast in braille. For some classes, I write key things >> down. For others, I write most everything. It depends on how the instructor >> >> teaches and how much their lecture duplicates the textbook. If they >> duplicate the text, I am less likely to write down everything. I'll just >> write major things down they say particularly info not in the text. I try to >> >> read the text ahead of class so I'm aware what is in it. >> >> HTH, >> >> Ashley >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L >> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 7:44 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Cc: Jameyanne Fuller >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Study Methods and Tools >> >> Hi Amy, >> I don't make flashcards for all classes, only classes that have a lot of >> memorizing. I make Braille flashcards, using index cards and a Perkins >> Brailler. I'll generally use 3 by 5 cards, especially if it's just like >> vocab or names and dates, but in my sophomore year of college, I actually >> got 5 by 8 index cards (at least I think they were that size) and copied >> out >> all the Italian verb conjugations and noun endings and basically all of >> Italian grammar, and that was really helpful for me. I'm a strong believer >> in the idea that reading, writing, and speaking something cements it in >> your >> memory, so this is why I use Braille for flash cards (even though it did >> result in an entire bin of Italian vocab and grammar cards at the end of >> the >> year), because I retain information better in Braille than just listening >> to >> it. I also make sure to speak aloud what I'm putting on the flash cards, >> and >> when I quiz myself I do it aloud. >> I didn't make flash cards in every class. Sometimes I would just read >> through my notes, sometimes I would copy out my notes in a different >> way--shuffle things around so they're in a different order or something >> like >> that. In some classes I found a study buddy, and we would review the notes >> together and answer each other's questions. >> In terms of notetaking, I don't do what they tell you to do. I don't write >> down only key information or use abbreviated sentences or stuff like that. >> I >> type in Braille really fast, like I can keep pace with the teacher talking >> no problem, and it's actually easier for me to pay attention if I'm >> constantly taking notes than if I'm only writing down the most important >> facts, because my mind will wander off topic super fast. But that's just >> me, >> really. >> I'm interested to hear how other people take notes, especially since I'm >> about to start law school and I'm not sure what's an effective way to take >> notes when the class is taught using the Socratic method. >> Jameyanne >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee Harwood >> via NABS-L >> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 6:02 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: Aimee Harwood >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Study Methods and Tools >> >> Yes I think adding how to take notes to my question would be a wonderful >> idea. I did not get a lot of this training or information growing up. I >> have >> kinda been winging it. I was one of the first people in my area to be a >> part >> of the inclusion program so I only went to a school for the blind for three >> years. I think that a school for the blind might have been better at >> teaching me the skills and also I might have remained a braille reader >> throughout school. A year after I went to public school, I was transferred >> from braille to large print. I know many braille readers who have been >> lifelong braille readers who are very fast at reading and writing braille. >> I use a braille display so I can keep up on what braille I know in hopes >> that I will become faster. >> >> When you guys talk about study and note-taking in your answer my previous >> questions, please do include as much references to braille as you like. >> >> >> >> Eagerly waiting to hear what you have to say, >> Aimee >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 22, 2016, at 5:18 PM, Aaron via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> I have been wondering this as well. I have been trying to find a good way >> to study and also take notes. >>> Thanks, >>> Aaron >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti Shelton > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From gpaikens at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 07:57:29 2016 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 03:57:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Is This a Typical Request for Disability Services? In-Reply-To: <006501d1e489$4238b480$c6aa1d80$@gmail.com> References: <5792c071.d367620a.67b46.824c@mx.google.com> <85642946-F443-46C7-AACB-4DB805CBD92E@gmail.com> <006501d1e489$4238b480$c6aa1d80$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52D42E3F-2622-42E5-B8EC-105DC98A3DD7@gmail.com> I also had my DSO offer to have someone help me orient myself before the start of my freshmen year of college (too many years ago). That person helped me for one or two days, maybe three. They would have been available if I had a specific question about a route, but not to walk me to my classes every day. I certainly did get lost several times those first few weeks, but so did all freshmen. It was normal to stop someone and ask where a building was, normal for an older student to offer to show a group of freshmen where to go by walking part of the way, etc. I went to a small private school though, and that may not be so typical on a larger campus. If you are going to request this accommodation, I recommend you limit it to the first day you have each of your classes, or at most the first week. For me, my concerns about getting lost were a great catalyst for making friends in my classes early on. I would ask people where they were headed next after class and if they were heading in the same direction, I would ask to walk with them as far as our paths went the same way. This also motivated me to make friends with people in my dorm. I looked for people who might have a 9:00 AM class in the same building or in a building close to the building I needed and asked if we could walk together, at least at the beginning. You don’t want to be wholly dependent on these people of course, but it is a perfectly natural way to connect with others and learn your way at the same time. On a related note, my difficulties navigating the dining hall lead me to invite people to grab lunch after class etc. I got turned down plenty of times of course, but it was a good way to connect with people and learn my campus without them really even knowing it. Upon reflection, I probably would have benefited from better travel skills, but I made it work and developed some cool relationships in the process. Anyway, that’s just my take on it. I probably gave you more than you were asking for but I hope some of this helps. Best of luck with starting school this fall. -Greg > On Jul 22, 2016, at 10:23 PM, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: > > Mine actually sais that they would also, but they also said that it was a > very short term thing because they just didn't have the man power. > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Logan Anderson > via NABS-L > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 9:53 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Logan Anderson > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is This a Typical Request for Disability Services? > > Hi, > I to begin college in less than a month. I have not requested this > particular service from my disability services office, but they have told me > several times it is very typical to have someone help you learn the campus. > Though they have said that it is typically only a few days that this person > will help you. I am in the process of requesting my accommodations from > them, and will probably have no & M on my list of things that I am going to > ask for help with, but I myself don't need a long-term partner. I honestly > don't think my disability services office even offers a long-term option > like this. I don't have much insight on the situation, but I am sure they > will willingly work with whatever you need to help you succeed in college. > If you are working through the vocational rehabilitation system in your > area, if there is one, then they also might have assistance that they can > offer you with this question. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 22, 2016, at 8:54 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L > wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> I start college next month, and have been trying to get everything ready, > which includes meetings with Disability Services and the normal due-dates. > (I never would have thought that there would be so many due-dates between > college acceptance and the start of school-lesson learned there!" >> Although I have been getting to know my disability services, I have only > just today received an accmmodations letter. >> One accommodation that I requested from them is to have someone walk with > me to each of my classes for the first month or so, while I am still > learning the layout of the campus. Travel is one of these aspects for me > that I just need to have constant repetition for, and although I will be > working with someone authorized by the Department of Rehab, this process is > still happening and I feel that knowing myself and my travel skills, I need > this. DSS seems unsure if this is possible, but is willing to discuss the > matter further. I don't know if their hesitation has anything to do with > the fact that I have 5 classes at 5 completely different times, although I > think it would be more of a matter of me communicating with these students > via text to arrange times. >> I have a meeting with them in two weeks, but was just wondering if you > have had any similar issues with them and how you have dealt with them. >> Thanks, >> Vejas >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/logan4447%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From awildheir at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 14:23:37 2016 From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 10:23:37 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Study Methods and Tools In-Reply-To: <9A6C41D8FA8743C1890326CF1561000C@OwnerPC> References: <3FA40492-5012-4649-8555-F540BA91741E@gmail.com> <1561478eec8.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> <9A6C41D8FA8743C1890326CF1561000C@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hello Ashley, I currently use my computer but my input method is my Varioultra braille display. I am ADD, so listening to the computer in the class isn't the best for me. It is easier for me to get down what is needed if I don't have speech on. Since I am in law school, I read and brief cases from the assigned material before I go to class. I am not an experienced jaws user, so I do not go back-and-forth from my notes my briefs and the textbook during lectures. It takes too long for me to get to the information I need in the other documents for it to be beneficial. I like to just take down what is discussed about the cases elements analysis and such so that I can go back and compare what I have later on. I am finally getting training, but the computer I received is having issues with JAWS and Word together and also Word independently. I hope this gives you enough information. Aimee Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 23, 2016, at 12:02 AM, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L wrote: > > Amy, > Are you taking notes on a braille notetaker? How do you take notes? > The methods you use to take the notes will impact the answers and strategies I might have. > > I use my braille notetaker primarily for notetaking. I also know print, but have used braille for most reading tasks as its easier and not fatiguing. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: Aimee Harwood via NABS-L > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 6:02 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Aimee Harwood > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Study Methods and Tools > > Yes I think adding how to take notes to my question would be a wonderful idea. I did not get a lot of this training or information growing up. I have kinda been winging it. I was one of the first people in my area to be a part of the inclusion program so I only went to a school for the blind for three years. I think that a school for the blind might have been better at teaching me the skills and also I might have remained a braille reader throughout school. A year after I went to public school, I was transferred from braille to large print. I know many braille readers who have been lifelong braille readers who are very fast at reading and writing braille. I use a braille display so I can keep up on what braille I know in hopes that I will become faster. > > When you guys talk about study and note-taking in your answer my previous questions, please do include as much references to braille as you like. > > > > Eagerly waiting to hear what you have to say, > Aimee > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 22, 2016, at 5:18 PM, Aaron via NABS-L wrote: >> >> I have been wondering this as well. I have been trying to find a good way to study and also take notes. >> Thanks, >> Aaron >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 16:02:21 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 09:02:21 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Studying for the SAT Message-ID: Hi All, I recently got my score for the June SAT, and it really wasn't that great. I'm planning to take it again to hopefully get a better one. The problem is that I noticed a lack of adequate study materials. For example, the SAT Question of the Day App is not accessible for the math questions. freerice.org has an SAT section as well, but again the math is not accessible. Even the SAT Question of the Day section of the SAT site isn't as accessible as it should be. Of course, screenreaders have difficulty interpreting math anyway, but it could be better. So how have you all studied for the SAT, and what actually works? Thanks! Best, Cricket Bidleman From jameyanne at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 16:26:51 2016 From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 12:26:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Study Methods and Tools In-Reply-To: References: <3FA40492-5012-4649-8555-F540BA91741E@gmail.com> <1561478eec8.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> <9A6C41D8FA8743C1890326CF1561000C@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <001001d1e4ff$05477ea0$0fd67be0$@gmail.com> Amy, I'll be a 1L at Harvard Law School this fall. I'm really excited about it. Thanks for your advice on notetaking with the socratic method. Jameyanne -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee Harwood via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 10:24 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Aimee Harwood Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Study Methods and Tools Hello Ashley, I currently use my computer but my input method is my Varioultra braille display. I am ADD, so listening to the computer in the class isn't the best for me. It is easier for me to get down what is needed if I don't have speech on. Since I am in law school, I read and brief cases from the assigned material before I go to class. I am not an experienced jaws user, so I do not go back-and-forth from my notes my briefs and the textbook during lectures. It takes too long for me to get to the information I need in the other documents for it to be beneficial. I like to just take down what is discussed about the cases elements analysis and such so that I can go back and compare what I have later on. I am finally getting training, but the computer I received is having issues with JAWS and Word together and also Word independently. I hope this gives you enough information. Aimee Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 23, 2016, at 12:02 AM, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L wrote: > > Amy, > Are you taking notes on a braille notetaker? How do you take notes? > The methods you use to take the notes will impact the answers and strategies I might have. > > I use my braille notetaker primarily for notetaking. I also know print, but have used braille for most reading tasks as its easier and not fatiguing. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: Aimee Harwood via NABS-L > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 6:02 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Aimee Harwood > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Study Methods and Tools > > Yes I think adding how to take notes to my question would be a wonderful idea. I did not get a lot of this training or information growing up. I have kinda been winging it. I was one of the first people in my area to be a part of the inclusion program so I only went to a school for the blind for three years. I think that a school for the blind might have been better at teaching me the skills and also I might have remained a braille reader throughout school. A year after I went to public school, I was transferred from braille to large print. I know many braille readers who have been lifelong braille readers who are very fast at reading and writing braille. I use a braille display so I can keep up on what braille I know in hopes that I will become faster. > > When you guys talk about study and note-taking in your answer my previous questions, please do include as much references to braille as you like. > > > > Eagerly waiting to hear what you have to say, > Aimee > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 22, 2016, at 5:18 PM, Aaron via NABS-L wrote: >> >> I have been wondering this as well. I have been trying to find a good way to study and also take notes. >> Thanks, >> Aaron >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. net > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com From jameyanne at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 16:28:11 2016 From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 12:28:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] footnotes In-Reply-To: <008301d1e4a0$aa8d6af0$ffa840d0$@gmail.com> References: <5792ead7.ce37810a.de316.d002@mx.google.com> <007501d1e496$d693e8e0$83bbbaa0$@gmail.com> <6C3CF7A4235B45A29328A0BB422FBFC1@OwnerPC> <008301d1e4a0$aa8d6af0$ffa840d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001101d1e4ff$349812f0$9dc838d0$@gmail.com> Thanks so much, everybody. This is all really helpful information! I was an English major in college, so there normally weren't that many footnotes (MLA citation style is right in the text), but I know they'll be important for law school and I should learn how to work with them. So thanks. Jameyanne -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin Williams via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 1:11 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Justin Williams Subject: Re: [nabs-l] footnotes To hold your place with jaws, use the windows key, or start button, control k. To return to your place with jaws, use alt windows key. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 12:36 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Ashley Bramlett Subject: Re: [nabs-l] footnotes Justin, I do likewise. I use the citations in articles as keys to furthering my research. I can use the reference list fine with the citations. They are at the end of articles and easy to find. But with jaws, footnotes have proved impossible. Jaws will sometimes read the footnote numbers and other times it sees them as other odd characteristics or superscripts. I will hear the numbers, but do not know to what they refer to. A sighted person can glance down at the bottom of a page and read it, but with a screen reader, you're stuck on the line you have the cursor on to read. I suppose the find command might get you to the bottom but then you have to find your place again. Anyways, if you found the footnotes or endnotes useful, that is good. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Justin Williams via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 12:01 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Justin Williams Subject: Re: [nabs-l] footnotes Sometimes, the endnotes, footnotes and references can giv eyou ideas as to how to continue your research I use the citations in articles as keys to furthering my research. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 11:55 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Karl Martin Adam Subject: Re: [nabs-l] footnotes Footnotes are incredibly important. Often times they have substantive comments, and even when they don't, they show you what evidence a claim is based on, or in your case what statute or case supports a particular legal interpretation. I'll put on my history major hat for a second and also point out that looking at footnotes and bibliographies is one of the best ways to do research and find out what the important works are on your topic if you start by reading the most recent thing you know of on your topic and then read the important things that were cited and then read the important things cited in those sources. Justin gave you the commands for reading footnotes that are actually formatted as footnotes in word, but typically in a scann the notes are just part of the text either at the bottom of the page or at the end of the book or chapter. I haven't had much trouble with the note numbers disappearing, but I read mostly bookshare books. You might try talking to your DSS and impressing on them how important footnotes are if you have a systematic issue with the numbers not showing up. Often changing scanner settings affects things like this. If I'm reading something and the detail is only moderately important, I just read the notes at the bottom of each page, and it's typically clear what they go to. If the notes are at the end of the book, I usually go read all the notes after each chapter or sometimes each subsection. If some claim made in the text is important to my research, I will look up the note that goes with it using the search feature, and similarly if I'm doing a close reading I'll go look up each footnote by searching for that number and then searching backwords to find the original note number and continue reading. HTH, Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L References: Message-ID: <001201d1e4ff$98430ee0$c8c92ca0$@gmail.com> I took an SAT prep class for the blind at the Carroll Center for the blind in Massachusetts. Part of the class involved getting Braille copies of the Princeton Review Cracking the SAT book and working the problems the way we would have to work them on test day with our specific accommodations. I realize this is possibly infeasible for many reasons, but I bet you can get the Princeton review ook on bookshare, at least, and I swear by the Princeton review books for all standardized tests. You ca also get Braille practice tests from ETS. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 12:02 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Cricket Bidleman Subject: [nabs-l] Studying for the SAT Hi All, I recently got my score for the June SAT, and it really wasn't that great. I'm planning to take it again to hopefully get a better one. The problem is that I noticed a lack of adequate study materials. For example, the SAT Question of the Day App is not accessible for the math questions. freerice.org has an SAT section as well, but again the math is not accessible. Even the SAT Question of the Day section of the SAT site isn't as accessible as it should be. Of course, screenreaders have difficulty interpreting math anyway, but it could be better. So how have you all studied for the SAT, and what actually works? Thanks! Best, Cricket Bidleman _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 16:38:54 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 09:38:54 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Studying for the SAT In-Reply-To: <001201d1e4ff$98430ee0$c8c92ca0$@gmail.com> References: <001201d1e4ff$98430ee0$c8c92ca0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Jameyanne, Thanks so much. I'll look into the practice tests. The problem with the bookshare option (and I have looked at that) is that the math portion is inaccessible. How would I get practice tests from ETS? And would they come with the answers? Best, Cricket Bidleman On 7/23/16, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: > I took an SAT prep class for the blind at the Carroll Center for the blind > in Massachusetts. Part of the class involved getting Braille copies of the > Princeton Review Cracking the SAT book and working the problems the way we > would have to work them on test day with our specific accommodations. I > realize this is possibly infeasible for many reasons, but I bet you can get > the Princeton review ook on bookshare, at least, and I swear by the > Princeton review books for all standardized tests. You ca also get Braille > practice tests from ETS. > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket > Bidleman via NABS-L > Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 12:02 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Cricket Bidleman > Subject: [nabs-l] Studying for the SAT > > Hi All, > > I recently got my score for the June SAT, and it really wasn't that > great. I'm planning to take it again to hopefully get a better one. > The problem is that I noticed a lack of adequate study materials. For > example, the SAT Question of the Day App is not accessible for the > math questions. freerice.org has an SAT section as well, but again the > math is not accessible. Even the SAT Question of the Day section of > the SAT site isn't as accessible as it should be. Of course, > screenreaders have difficulty interpreting math anyway, but it could > be better. So how have you all studied for the SAT, and what actually > works? Thanks! > > Best, > Cricket Bidleman > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From eemcrew at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 16:39:31 2016 From: eemcrew at gmail.com (Ellana Crew) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 12:39:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] German Teen Losing Vision In-Reply-To: <5787d930.c79b620a.40eba.52bf@mx.google.com> References: <5787d930.c79b620a.40eba.52bf@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7469CDCF-F4B8-4991-8A51-4E6D05BF7BDE@gmail.com> Hi there, Thanks for everybody's responses. They have all been helpful and the student has really appreciated all of this information. Julie, I have given the student the email address you used to respond to this list, which I hope is all right. I am not sure if they will contact you because they seem hesitant, but just a heads up that they may decide to do so in the future. Again, I'm really appreciative to everybody who responded. I'm hoping to keep in contact with the student, so if there are any further developments, I may reach out to others again. I also appreciated learning a little about what others have said about the treatment of blind students in a couple of other places. Thank you all so much, Ellana Crew, Secretary Maryland Association of Blind Students > On Jul 14, 2016, at 2:25 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: > > I really hope that the support of blindness in Germany is better than in Lithuania, where my grandparents are from. > I went to a library there. I had learned Lithuanian Braille, and this was done very incorrectly, with no capital signs at all. Blind students would often work in a sheltered workshop, and, while in class, their mothers were often their aides (embarrassing!) > Vejas > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Julie McGinnity via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 13:34:22 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] German Teen Losing Vision > > Hi Ellana, > > I can see if I can help. I do not know where this person is in > Germany or what their circumstances may be, but I did visit a school > for the blind while I was there that works with people on Braille and > technology skills. I even went to a store where they sold canes and > talking devices. > > I don't know how much I can help now... But I do speak German and > have some connections with whom I may be able to connect this person. > It would also be a good idea to see how we can get them to a center if > that is what they want. Students can certainly come here to study if > they have the right resources. > > When I visited Germany, I was quite the novelty. Blind German teens > do not usually go to Gymnasiums (pronounced with a hard G). The > gymnasiums are the most academically advanced high schools in the > country, and they do not generally take blind students. Things could > be different by now though... I went to Germany in 2008. I'm getting > old! :) > > Let me know if I can do anything to help! > > On 7/14/16, roanna bacchus via NABS-L wrote: > Encourage them to join the mailing list on the Nfb net server for > blind international students. > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40g > mail.com > > > > -- > Julie A. McGinnity > President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division, > Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri > "For we walk by faith, not by sight" > 2 Cor. 7 > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina > tion%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/eemcrew%40gmail.com From sawhney.kartik at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 16:50:46 2016 From: sawhney.kartik at gmail.com (Kartik Sawhney) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 09:50:46 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Studying for the SAT In-Reply-To: References: <001201d1e4ff$98430ee0$c8c92ca0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: You can call the ETS disability services and request that practice tests be mailed to you. They also have a book called Math Review that helps review fundamental math concepts. While it's supposed to be for the GRE, there is a significant overlap between GRE and the SAT. Math Review is also available in accessible format online (https://www.ets.org/gre/revised_general/prepare/disabilities/math_review). On 7/23/16, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: > Hi Jameyanne, > > Thanks so much. I'll look into the practice tests. The problem with > the bookshare option (and I have looked at that) is that the math > portion is inaccessible. How would I get practice tests from ETS? And > would they come with the answers? > > Best, > Cricket Bidleman > > On 7/23/16, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: >> I took an SAT prep class for the blind at the Carroll Center for the >> blind >> in Massachusetts. Part of the class involved getting Braille copies of >> the >> Princeton Review Cracking the SAT book and working the problems the way >> we >> would have to work them on test day with our specific accommodations. I >> realize this is possibly infeasible for many reasons, but I bet you can >> get >> the Princeton review ook on bookshare, at least, and I swear by the >> Princeton review books for all standardized tests. You ca also get >> Braille >> practice tests from ETS. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket >> Bidleman via NABS-L >> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 12:02 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Cricket Bidleman >> Subject: [nabs-l] Studying for the SAT >> >> Hi All, >> >> I recently got my score for the June SAT, and it really wasn't that >> great. I'm planning to take it again to hopefully get a better one. >> The problem is that I noticed a lack of adequate study materials. For >> example, the SAT Question of the Day App is not accessible for the >> math questions. freerice.org has an SAT section as well, but again the >> math is not accessible. Even the SAT Question of the Day section of >> the SAT site isn't as accessible as it should be. Of course, >> screenreaders have difficulty interpreting math anyway, but it could >> be better. So how have you all studied for the SAT, and what actually >> works? Thanks! >> >> Best, >> Cricket Bidleman >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sawhney.kartik%40gmail.com > -- -Kartik Sawhney, +1-(510) 766-3419 linkedin.com/in/kartiksawhney/ From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 17:00:06 2016 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 13:00:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Is This a Typical Request for Disability Services? In-Reply-To: <52D42E3F-2622-42E5-B8EC-105DC98A3DD7@gmail.com> References: <5792c071.d367620a.67b46.824c@mx.google.com> <85642946-F443-46C7-AACB-4DB805CBD92E@gmail.com> <006501d1e489$4238b480$c6aa1d80$@gmail.com> <52D42E3F-2622-42E5-B8EC-105DC98A3DD7@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Vejas and all, I know it can take a while sometimes for voc rehab to get their act together and send out a mobility instructor. In the meantime, though, anybody who knows the campus can show you around. Even a visitor who doesn't know campus, but who is a good map reader, can help you find your classroom buildings. If your parents or other family or friends are helping you move in, they could also help you practice routes to classes simply by reading the maps. There is nothing particularly special about having it be a certified O&M teacher or someone with any kind of disability background. It will be good for you to learn where your class buildings are relative to big landmarks on campus, such as fountains or major streets bordering campus. Then, if you get lost, you can ask directions based on those landmarks. If you are living in the dorms, you could also request help from the resident assistant (RA) or other staff in your dorm, whose job it is to help all freshmen. You may be surprised in how quickly you are able to learn to find your classes. Best, Arielle On 7/23/16, Greg Aikens via NABS-L wrote: > I also had my DSO offer to have someone help me orient myself before the > start of my freshmen year of college (too many years ago). That person > helped me for one or two days, maybe three. They would have been available > if I had a specific question about a route, but not to walk me to my classes > every day. > > I certainly did get lost several times those first few weeks, but so did all > freshmen. It was normal to stop someone and ask where a building was, normal > for an older student to offer to show a group of freshmen where to go by > walking part of the way, etc. I went to a small private school though, and > that may not be so typical on a larger campus. > > If you are going to request this accommodation, I recommend you limit it to > the first day you have each of your classes, or at most the first week. For > me, my concerns about getting lost were a great catalyst for making friends > in my classes early on. I would ask people where they were headed next after > class and if they were heading in the same direction, I would ask to walk > with them as far as our paths went the same way. This also motivated me to > make friends with people in my dorm. I looked for people who might have a > 9:00 AM class in the same building or in a building close to the building I > needed and asked if we could walk together, at least at the beginning. You > don’t want to be wholly dependent on these people of course, but it is a > perfectly natural way to connect with others and learn your way at the same > time. > > On a related note, my difficulties navigating the dining hall lead me to > invite people to grab lunch after class etc. I got turned down plenty of > times of course, but it was a good way to connect with people and learn my > campus without them really even knowing it. Upon reflection, I probably > would have benefited from better travel skills, but I made it work and > developed some cool relationships in the process. > > Anyway, that’s just my take on it. I probably gave you more than you were > asking for but I hope some of this helps. > > Best of luck with starting school this fall. > > -Greg > >> On Jul 22, 2016, at 10:23 PM, Justin Williams via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Mine actually sais that they would also, but they also said that it was a >> very short term thing because they just didn't have the man power. >> Justin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Logan >> Anderson >> via NABS-L >> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 9:53 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Logan Anderson >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is This a Typical Request for Disability Services? >> >> Hi, >> I to begin college in less than a month. I have not requested this >> particular service from my disability services office, but they have told >> me >> several times it is very typical to have someone help you learn the >> campus. >> Though they have said that it is typically only a few days that this >> person >> will help you. I am in the process of requesting my accommodations from >> them, and will probably have no & M on my list of things that I am going >> to >> ask for help with, but I myself don't need a long-term partner. I honestly >> don't think my disability services office even offers a long-term option >> like this. I don't have much insight on the situation, but I am sure they >> will willingly work with whatever you need to help you succeed in college. >> If you are working through the vocational rehabilitation system in your >> area, if there is one, then they also might have assistance that they can >> offer you with this question. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 22, 2016, at 8:54 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi All, >>> I start college next month, and have been trying to get everything ready, >> which includes meetings with Disability Services and the normal due-dates. >> (I never would have thought that there would be so many due-dates between >> college acceptance and the start of school-lesson learned there!" >>> Although I have been getting to know my disability services, I have only >> just today received an accmmodations letter. >>> One accommodation that I requested from them is to have someone walk with >> me to each of my classes for the first month or so, while I am still >> learning the layout of the campus. Travel is one of these aspects for me >> that I just need to have constant repetition for, and although I will be >> working with someone authorized by the Department of Rehab, this process >> is >> still happening and I feel that knowing myself and my travel skills, I >> need >> this. DSS seems unsure if this is possible, but is willing to discuss the >> matter further. I don't know if their hesitation has anything to do with >> the fact that I have 5 classes at 5 completely different times, although I >> think it would be more of a matter of me communicating with these students >> via text to arrange times. >>> I have a meeting with them in two weeks, but was just wondering if you >> have had any similar issues with them and how you have dealt with them. >>> Thanks, >>> Vejas >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/logan4447%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 17:05:18 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 10:05:18 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Studying for the SAT In-Reply-To: References: <001201d1e4ff$98430ee0$c8c92ca0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks. I'll do that on Monday then. Just curious though, they do come with answers, right? On 7/23/16, Kartik Sawhney wrote: > You can call the ETS disability services and request that practice > tests be mailed to you. They also have a book called Math Review that > helps review fundamental math concepts. While it's supposed to be for > the GRE, there is a significant overlap between GRE and the SAT. Math > Review is also available in accessible format online > (https://www.ets.org/gre/revised_general/prepare/disabilities/math_review). > > On 7/23/16, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: >> Hi Jameyanne, >> >> Thanks so much. I'll look into the practice tests. The problem with >> the bookshare option (and I have looked at that) is that the math >> portion is inaccessible. How would I get practice tests from ETS? And >> would they come with the answers? >> >> Best, >> Cricket Bidleman >> >> On 7/23/16, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: >>> I took an SAT prep class for the blind at the Carroll Center for the >>> blind >>> in Massachusetts. Part of the class involved getting Braille copies of >>> the >>> Princeton Review Cracking the SAT book and working the problems the way >>> we >>> would have to work them on test day with our specific accommodations. I >>> realize this is possibly infeasible for many reasons, but I bet you can >>> get >>> the Princeton review ook on bookshare, at least, and I swear by the >>> Princeton review books for all standardized tests. You ca also get >>> Braille >>> practice tests from ETS. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket >>> Bidleman via NABS-L >>> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 12:02 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Cc: Cricket Bidleman >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Studying for the SAT >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I recently got my score for the June SAT, and it really wasn't that >>> great. I'm planning to take it again to hopefully get a better one. >>> The problem is that I noticed a lack of adequate study materials. For >>> example, the SAT Question of the Day App is not accessible for the >>> math questions. freerice.org has an SAT section as well, but again the >>> math is not accessible. Even the SAT Question of the Day section of >>> the SAT site isn't as accessible as it should be. Of course, >>> screenreaders have difficulty interpreting math anyway, but it could >>> be better. So how have you all studied for the SAT, and what actually >>> works? Thanks! >>> >>> Best, >>> Cricket Bidleman >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sawhney.kartik%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > -Kartik Sawhney, > +1-(510) 766-3419 > linkedin.com/in/kartiksawhney/ > From kaybaycar at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 18:28:32 2016 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 14:28:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] German Teen Losing Vision In-Reply-To: <7469CDCF-F4B8-4991-8A51-4E6D05BF7BDE@gmail.com> References: <5787d930.c79b620a.40eba.52bf@mx.google.com> <7469CDCF-F4B8-4991-8A51-4E6D05BF7BDE@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, feel free to pass this address onto her or any other student who may wish to contact me. Plus, ich vermisse deutsch sprechen! (I miss speaking German!) :) On 7/23/16, Ellana Crew via NABS-L wrote: > Hi there, > > Thanks for everybody's responses. They have all been helpful and the student > has really appreciated all of this information. > > Julie, I have given the student the email address you used to respond to > this list, which I hope is all right. I am not sure if they will contact you > because they seem hesitant, but just a heads up that they may decide to do > so in the future. > > Again, I'm really appreciative to everybody who responded. I'm hoping to > keep in contact with the student, so if there are any further developments, > I may reach out to others again. I also appreciated learning a little about > what others have said about the treatment of blind students in a couple of > other places. > > Thank you all so much, > > Ellana Crew, Secretary > Maryland Association of Blind Students > >> On Jul 14, 2016, at 2:25 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> I really hope that the support of blindness in Germany is better than in >> Lithuania, where my grandparents are from. >> I went to a library there. I had learned Lithuanian Braille, and this was >> done very incorrectly, with no capital signs at all. Blind students would >> often work in a sheltered workshop, and, while in class, their mothers >> were often their aides (embarrassing!) >> Vejas >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Julie McGinnity via NABS-L > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 13:34:22 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] German Teen Losing Vision >> >> Hi Ellana, >> >> I can see if I can help. I do not know where this person is in >> Germany or what their circumstances may be, but I did visit a school >> for the blind while I was there that works with people on Braille and >> technology skills. I even went to a store where they sold canes and >> talking devices. >> >> I don't know how much I can help now... But I do speak German and >> have some connections with whom I may be able to connect this person. >> It would also be a good idea to see how we can get them to a center if >> that is what they want. Students can certainly come here to study if >> they have the right resources. >> >> When I visited Germany, I was quite the novelty. Blind German teens >> do not usually go to Gymnasiums (pronounced with a hard G). The >> gymnasiums are the most academically advanced high schools in the >> country, and they do not generally take blind students. Things could >> be different by now though... I went to Germany in 2008. I'm getting >> old! :) >> >> Let me know if I can do anything to help! >> >> On 7/14/16, roanna bacchus via NABS-L wrote: >> Encourage them to join the mailing list on the Nfb net server for >> blind international students. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Julie A. McGinnity >> President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division, >> Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri >> "For we walk by faith, not by sight" >> 2 Cor. 7 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina >> tion%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/eemcrew%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie A. McGinnity President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division, Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri "For we walk by faith, not by sight" 2 Cor. 7 From nabs.president at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 18:36:04 2016 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (NABS President) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 14:36:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FINALLY: THE KEY TO SUCCESS! In-Reply-To: References: <046801d1e39f$17cb26f0$476174d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Elizabeth, I'll be sure to email you off list regarding this matter as there should be a separate folder entitled "Our NFB Training Centers." I'm so sorry if there is difficulty finding this, and will make sure you receive the documents. Thanks, Kathryn Kathryn Webster President, National Association of Blind Students (203) 273-8463 Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 22, 2016, at 5:14 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello, > > This message states there are personal student testimonies from each of the > NFB training centers on the thumb drive. I bought a thumb drive while > attendant the NFB national convention. However, I do not see any personal > student testimonies from each of the NFB training centers on the thumb > drive. Can anyone help me find where these personal student testimonies from > each of the NFB training centers may be located on the thumb drive? Any > information in regards to this matter would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of NABS President > via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 6:28 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > > Cc: NABS President ; board at nabslink.org > Subject: [nabs-l] FINALLY: THE KEY TO SUCCESS! > > > Finally, what you all have been waiting for: NABS' Student Success Toolkits! > > After astonishing feedback from National Convention, our student division > decided to sell the Student Success Toolkits online for your personal use! > Our 4 gb Flash drives contain the following software, Tutorials, resources, > Templates, and information To ensure you are the most successful student you > can be. > > Software: > * NVDA > Now, you can walk up to any computer, plug it in, and launch a free screen > reader for anytime use! > > TUTORIALS: > * Excel > * Outlook > * PowerPoint > * LaTeX > > TEMPLATES > * Sample cover letters > * Sample resumes/CV's > * A bunch of professional documents to help you get your dream job > > RESOURCES: > * LSAT Practice Test > * NFB literature, including speeches and documents > * The NFB Self-Advocacy Toolkit > * Personal student testimonies from each of our training centers > > HEALTH/FITNESS > * A plethora of exercise tips, tricks, and recipes so you can stay fit, > while flourishing in and out of the classroom > > These handy thumb drives will be mailed to you personally. Once you fill out > the below form and payment is received by our Treasurer, I will put one in > the mail for you! > Each flash drive costs just $10! Our target audience is future students, > current students, non-traditional students, avid learners, parents, and > anyone else who considers themselves intellectually curious. > > To order the drive, visit > https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0FJAEhElmWp_Smg2zM8DTRT9Sqmg1bhVv > GEy_2pxZODSUBg/viewform?c=0&w=1 > or visit our homepage students.nfb.org to share with your friends and > peers. > We accept PayPal, Venmo, and checks! > > Please reach out to Luke Schwinck (luke.schwinck at hotmail.com) or myself > (nabs.president at gmail.com) with any questions! > > Happy learning, fellow students, > Kathryn Webster > President | National Association of Blind Students > 203-273-8463 > Nabs.president at gmail.com > Nabslink.org > @nabslink > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com From sawhney.kartik at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 19:11:47 2016 From: sawhney.kartik at gmail.com (Kartik Sawhney) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 12:11:47 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Studying for the SAT In-Reply-To: References: <001201d1e4ff$98430ee0$c8c92ca0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: It's been a while, but I think answers are included. On 7/23/16, Cricket Bidleman wrote: > Thanks. I'll do that on Monday then. Just curious though, they do come > with answers, right? > > On 7/23/16, Kartik Sawhney wrote: >> You can call the ETS disability services and request that practice >> tests be mailed to you. They also have a book called Math Review that >> helps review fundamental math concepts. While it's supposed to be for >> the GRE, there is a significant overlap between GRE and the SAT. Math >> Review is also available in accessible format online >> (https://www.ets.org/gre/revised_general/prepare/disabilities/math_review). >> >> On 7/23/16, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: >>> Hi Jameyanne, >>> >>> Thanks so much. I'll look into the practice tests. The problem with >>> the bookshare option (and I have looked at that) is that the math >>> portion is inaccessible. How would I get practice tests from ETS? And >>> would they come with the answers? >>> >>> Best, >>> Cricket Bidleman >>> >>> On 7/23/16, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: >>>> I took an SAT prep class for the blind at the Carroll Center for the >>>> blind >>>> in Massachusetts. Part of the class involved getting Braille copies of >>>> the >>>> Princeton Review Cracking the SAT book and working the problems the way >>>> we >>>> would have to work them on test day with our specific accommodations. I >>>> realize this is possibly infeasible for many reasons, but I bet you can >>>> get >>>> the Princeton review ook on bookshare, at least, and I swear by the >>>> Princeton review books for all standardized tests. You ca also get >>>> Braille >>>> practice tests from ETS. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket >>>> Bidleman via NABS-L >>>> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 12:02 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>> Cc: Cricket Bidleman >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Studying for the SAT >>>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> I recently got my score for the June SAT, and it really wasn't that >>>> great. I'm planning to take it again to hopefully get a better one. >>>> The problem is that I noticed a lack of adequate study materials. For >>>> example, the SAT Question of the Day App is not accessible for the >>>> math questions. freerice.org has an SAT section as well, but again the >>>> math is not accessible. Even the SAT Question of the Day section of >>>> the SAT site isn't as accessible as it should be. Of course, >>>> screenreaders have difficulty interpreting math anyway, but it could >>>> be better. So how have you all studied for the SAT, and what actually >>>> works? Thanks! >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Cricket Bidleman >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sawhney.kartik%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> -Kartik Sawhney, >> +1-(510) 766-3419 >> linkedin.com/in/kartiksawhney/ >> > -- -Kartik Sawhney, +1-(510) 766-3419 linkedin.com/in/kartiksawhney/ From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 19:35:44 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 12:35:44 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Studying for the SAT In-Reply-To: References: <001201d1e4ff$98430ee0$c8c92ca0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks! Also, and just curious, it's all free, right? On 7/23/16, Kartik Sawhney wrote: > It's been a while, but I think answers are included. > > On 7/23/16, Cricket Bidleman wrote: >> Thanks. I'll do that on Monday then. Just curious though, they do come >> with answers, right? >> >> On 7/23/16, Kartik Sawhney wrote: >>> You can call the ETS disability services and request that practice >>> tests be mailed to you. They also have a book called Math Review that >>> helps review fundamental math concepts. While it's supposed to be for >>> the GRE, there is a significant overlap between GRE and the SAT. Math >>> Review is also available in accessible format online >>> (https://www.ets.org/gre/revised_general/prepare/disabilities/math_review). >>> >>> On 7/23/16, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: >>>> Hi Jameyanne, >>>> >>>> Thanks so much. I'll look into the practice tests. The problem with >>>> the bookshare option (and I have looked at that) is that the math >>>> portion is inaccessible. How would I get practice tests from ETS? And >>>> would they come with the answers? >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Cricket Bidleman >>>> >>>> On 7/23/16, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: >>>>> I took an SAT prep class for the blind at the Carroll Center for the >>>>> blind >>>>> in Massachusetts. Part of the class involved getting Braille copies of >>>>> the >>>>> Princeton Review Cracking the SAT book and working the problems the >>>>> way >>>>> we >>>>> would have to work them on test day with our specific accommodations. >>>>> I >>>>> realize this is possibly infeasible for many reasons, but I bet you >>>>> can >>>>> get >>>>> the Princeton review ook on bookshare, at least, and I swear by the >>>>> Princeton review books for all standardized tests. You ca also get >>>>> Braille >>>>> practice tests from ETS. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket >>>>> Bidleman via NABS-L >>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 12:02 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>>> Cc: Cricket Bidleman >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Studying for the SAT >>>>> >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> >>>>> I recently got my score for the June SAT, and it really wasn't that >>>>> great. I'm planning to take it again to hopefully get a better one. >>>>> The problem is that I noticed a lack of adequate study materials. For >>>>> example, the SAT Question of the Day App is not accessible for the >>>>> math questions. freerice.org has an SAT section as well, but again the >>>>> math is not accessible. Even the SAT Question of the Day section of >>>>> the SAT site isn't as accessible as it should be. Of course, >>>>> screenreaders have difficulty interpreting math anyway, but it could >>>>> be better. So how have you all studied for the SAT, and what actually >>>>> works? Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Cricket Bidleman >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sawhney.kartik%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -Kartik Sawhney, >>> +1-(510) 766-3419 >>> linkedin.com/in/kartiksawhney/ >>> >> > > > -- > -Kartik Sawhney, > +1-(510) 766-3419 > linkedin.com/in/kartiksawhney/ > From sawhney.kartik at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 19:37:06 2016 From: sawhney.kartik at gmail.com (Kartik Sawhney) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 12:37:06 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Studying for the SAT In-Reply-To: References: <001201d1e4ff$98430ee0$c8c92ca0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes On 7/23/16, Cricket Bidleman wrote: > Thanks! Also, and just curious, it's all free, right? > > On 7/23/16, Kartik Sawhney wrote: >> It's been a while, but I think answers are included. >> >> On 7/23/16, Cricket Bidleman wrote: >>> Thanks. I'll do that on Monday then. Just curious though, they do come >>> with answers, right? >>> >>> On 7/23/16, Kartik Sawhney wrote: >>>> You can call the ETS disability services and request that practice >>>> tests be mailed to you. They also have a book called Math Review that >>>> helps review fundamental math concepts. While it's supposed to be for >>>> the GRE, there is a significant overlap between GRE and the SAT. Math >>>> Review is also available in accessible format online >>>> (https://www.ets.org/gre/revised_general/prepare/disabilities/math_review). >>>> >>>> On 7/23/16, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: >>>>> Hi Jameyanne, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks so much. I'll look into the practice tests. The problem with >>>>> the bookshare option (and I have looked at that) is that the math >>>>> portion is inaccessible. How would I get practice tests from ETS? And >>>>> would they come with the answers? >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Cricket Bidleman >>>>> >>>>> On 7/23/16, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: >>>>>> I took an SAT prep class for the blind at the Carroll Center for the >>>>>> blind >>>>>> in Massachusetts. Part of the class involved getting Braille copies >>>>>> of >>>>>> the >>>>>> Princeton Review Cracking the SAT book and working the problems the >>>>>> way >>>>>> we >>>>>> would have to work them on test day with our specific accommodations. >>>>>> I >>>>>> realize this is possibly infeasible for many reasons, but I bet you >>>>>> can >>>>>> get >>>>>> the Princeton review ook on bookshare, at least, and I swear by the >>>>>> Princeton review books for all standardized tests. You ca also get >>>>>> Braille >>>>>> practice tests from ETS. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket >>>>>> Bidleman via NABS-L >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 12:02 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> >>>>>> Cc: Cricket Bidleman >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Studying for the SAT >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>> >>>>>> I recently got my score for the June SAT, and it really wasn't that >>>>>> great. I'm planning to take it again to hopefully get a better one. >>>>>> The problem is that I noticed a lack of adequate study materials. For >>>>>> example, the SAT Question of the Day App is not accessible for the >>>>>> math questions. freerice.org has an SAT section as well, but again >>>>>> the >>>>>> math is not accessible. Even the SAT Question of the Day section of >>>>>> the SAT site isn't as accessible as it should be. Of course, >>>>>> screenreaders have difficulty interpreting math anyway, but it could >>>>>> be better. So how have you all studied for the SAT, and what actually >>>>>> works? Thanks! >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Cricket Bidleman >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sawhney.kartik%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -Kartik Sawhney, >>>> +1-(510) 766-3419 >>>> linkedin.com/in/kartiksawhney/ >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> -Kartik Sawhney, >> +1-(510) 766-3419 >> linkedin.com/in/kartiksawhney/ >> > -- -Kartik Sawhney, +1-(510) 766-3419 linkedin.com/in/kartiksawhney/ From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 19:38:49 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 12:38:49 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Studying for the SAT In-Reply-To: References: <001201d1e4ff$98430ee0$c8c92ca0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Awesome! I'm looking forward to getting them, then. Thanks for the info! On 7/23/16, Kartik Sawhney wrote: > Yes > > On 7/23/16, Cricket Bidleman wrote: >> Thanks! Also, and just curious, it's all free, right? >> >> On 7/23/16, Kartik Sawhney wrote: >>> It's been a while, but I think answers are included. >>> >>> On 7/23/16, Cricket Bidleman wrote: >>>> Thanks. I'll do that on Monday then. Just curious though, they do come >>>> with answers, right? >>>> >>>> On 7/23/16, Kartik Sawhney wrote: >>>>> You can call the ETS disability services and request that practice >>>>> tests be mailed to you. They also have a book called Math Review that >>>>> helps review fundamental math concepts. While it's supposed to be for >>>>> the GRE, there is a significant overlap between GRE and the SAT. Math >>>>> Review is also available in accessible format online >>>>> (https://www.ets.org/gre/revised_general/prepare/disabilities/math_review). >>>>> >>>>> On 7/23/16, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: >>>>>> Hi Jameyanne, >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks so much. I'll look into the practice tests. The problem with >>>>>> the bookshare option (and I have looked at that) is that the math >>>>>> portion is inaccessible. How would I get practice tests from ETS? And >>>>>> would they come with the answers? >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Cricket Bidleman >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7/23/16, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: >>>>>>> I took an SAT prep class for the blind at the Carroll Center for the >>>>>>> blind >>>>>>> in Massachusetts. Part of the class involved getting Braille copies >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> Princeton Review Cracking the SAT book and working the problems the >>>>>>> way >>>>>>> we >>>>>>> would have to work them on test day with our specific >>>>>>> accommodations. >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> realize this is possibly infeasible for many reasons, but I bet you >>>>>>> can >>>>>>> get >>>>>>> the Princeton review ook on bookshare, at least, and I swear by the >>>>>>> Princeton review books for all standardized tests. You ca also get >>>>>>> Braille >>>>>>> practice tests from ETS. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket >>>>>>> Bidleman via NABS-L >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 12:02 PM >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cc: Cricket Bidleman >>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Studying for the SAT >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I recently got my score for the June SAT, and it really wasn't that >>>>>>> great. I'm planning to take it again to hopefully get a better one. >>>>>>> The problem is that I noticed a lack of adequate study materials. >>>>>>> For >>>>>>> example, the SAT Question of the Day App is not accessible for the >>>>>>> math questions. freerice.org has an SAT section as well, but again >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> math is not accessible. Even the SAT Question of the Day section of >>>>>>> the SAT site isn't as accessible as it should be. Of course, >>>>>>> screenreaders have difficulty interpreting math anyway, but it could >>>>>>> be better. So how have you all studied for the SAT, and what >>>>>>> actually >>>>>>> works? Thanks! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> Cricket Bidleman >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sawhney.kartik%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> -Kartik Sawhney, >>>>> +1-(510) 766-3419 >>>>> linkedin.com/in/kartiksawhney/ >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -Kartik Sawhney, >>> +1-(510) 766-3419 >>> linkedin.com/in/kartiksawhney/ >>> >> > > > -- > -Kartik Sawhney, > +1-(510) 766-3419 > linkedin.com/in/kartiksawhney/ > From jameyanne at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 19:43:55 2016 From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 15:43:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Studying for the SAT In-Reply-To: References: <001201d1e4ff$98430ee0$c8c92ca0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001701d1e51a$8c7010c0$a5503240$@gmail.com> Agree with everything Kartik says. You may have to return the practice tests on test day, but as I recall it was free and the answers were included. When I was studying for the GRE, I asked voc rehab if they would be able to get the math portion of the practice book I wanted in Braille for me. I had to buy the book, but they did the rest, so I could use the bookshare copy for the English portions and the braille for the math. That might also be a possibility for you, but you'd want to get on that ASAP as voc rehab can sometimes take a while. Jameyanne -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kartik Sawhney via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 3:37 PM To: Cricket Bidleman Cc: Kartik Sawhney ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Studying for the SAT Yes On 7/23/16, Cricket Bidleman wrote: > Thanks! Also, and just curious, it's all free, right? > > On 7/23/16, Kartik Sawhney wrote: >> It's been a while, but I think answers are included. >> >> On 7/23/16, Cricket Bidleman wrote: >>> Thanks. I'll do that on Monday then. Just curious though, they do come >>> with answers, right? >>> >>> On 7/23/16, Kartik Sawhney wrote: >>>> You can call the ETS disability services and request that practice >>>> tests be mailed to you. They also have a book called Math Review that >>>> helps review fundamental math concepts. While it's supposed to be for >>>> the GRE, there is a significant overlap between GRE and the SAT. Math >>>> Review is also available in accessible format online >>>> (https://www.ets.org/gre/revised_general/prepare/disabilities/math_review). >>>> >>>> On 7/23/16, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: >>>>> Hi Jameyanne, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks so much. I'll look into the practice tests. The problem with >>>>> the bookshare option (and I have looked at that) is that the math >>>>> portion is inaccessible. How would I get practice tests from ETS? And >>>>> would they come with the answers? >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Cricket Bidleman >>>>> >>>>> On 7/23/16, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: >>>>>> I took an SAT prep class for the blind at the Carroll Center for the >>>>>> blind >>>>>> in Massachusetts. Part of the class involved getting Braille copies >>>>>> of >>>>>> the >>>>>> Princeton Review Cracking the SAT book and working the problems the >>>>>> way >>>>>> we >>>>>> would have to work them on test day with our specific accommodations. >>>>>> I >>>>>> realize this is possibly infeasible for many reasons, but I bet you >>>>>> can >>>>>> get >>>>>> the Princeton review ook on bookshare, at least, and I swear by the >>>>>> Princeton review books for all standardized tests. You ca also get >>>>>> Braille >>>>>> practice tests from ETS. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket >>>>>> Bidleman via NABS-L >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 12:02 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> >>>>>> Cc: Cricket Bidleman >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Studying for the SAT >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>> >>>>>> I recently got my score for the June SAT, and it really wasn't that >>>>>> great. I'm planning to take it again to hopefully get a better one. >>>>>> The problem is that I noticed a lack of adequate study materials. For >>>>>> example, the SAT Question of the Day App is not accessible for the >>>>>> math questions. freerice.org has an SAT section as well, but again >>>>>> the >>>>>> math is not accessible. Even the SAT Question of the Day section of >>>>>> the SAT site isn't as accessible as it should be. Of course, >>>>>> screenreaders have difficulty interpreting math anyway, but it could >>>>>> be better. So how have you all studied for the SAT, and what actually >>>>>> works? Thanks! >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Cricket Bidleman >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail. com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sawhney.kartik%40gmail.c om >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -Kartik Sawhney, >>>> +1-(510) 766-3419 >>>> linkedin.com/in/kartiksawhney/ >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> -Kartik Sawhney, >> +1-(510) 766-3419 >> linkedin.com/in/kartiksawhney/ >> > -- -Kartik Sawhney, +1-(510) 766-3419 linkedin.com/in/kartiksawhney/ _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 21:29:11 2016 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 17:29:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FINALLY: THE KEY TO SUCCESS! In-Reply-To: References: <046801d1e39f$17cb26f0$476174d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <700EFFE8-1F6D-4BE1-A02F-6B2B16A9D3CB@gmail.com> Hi Ms. Kathryn. This is helga! How are you? I just wanted to tell you that i already submitted the form and I already submitted my 10 dollars by paypal to Mr. Luke on Friday, July 22. How do I know I will receive the thumbdrive to my house? Can you let me know if you receive my information? I will really appreciate it a lot. My name is helga Schreiber. I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless! Helga Schreiber Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students. Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Skype: helga.schreiber26 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx INT Website: http://int4life.com/ "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.2 > On Jul 23, 2016, at 2:36 PM, NABS President via NABS-L wrote: > > Elizabeth, I'll be sure to email you off list regarding this matter as there should be a separate folder entitled "Our NFB Training Centers." > I'm so sorry if there is difficulty finding this, and will make sure you receive the documents. > Thanks, > Kathryn > > Kathryn Webster > President, National Association of Blind Students > (203) 273-8463 > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 22, 2016, at 5:14 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> This message states there are personal student testimonies from each of the >> NFB training centers on the thumb drive. I bought a thumb drive while >> attendant the NFB national convention. However, I do not see any personal >> student testimonies from each of the NFB training centers on the thumb >> drive. Can anyone help me find where these personal student testimonies from >> each of the NFB training centers may be located on the thumb drive? Any >> information in regards to this matter would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> Elizabeth >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of NABS President >> via NABS-L >> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 6:28 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> >> Cc: NABS President ; board at nabslink.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] FINALLY: THE KEY TO SUCCESS! >> >> >> Finally, what you all have been waiting for: NABS' Student Success Toolkits! >> >> After astonishing feedback from National Convention, our student division >> decided to sell the Student Success Toolkits online for your personal use! >> Our 4 gb Flash drives contain the following software, Tutorials, resources, >> Templates, and information To ensure you are the most successful student you >> can be. >> >> Software: >> * NVDA >> Now, you can walk up to any computer, plug it in, and launch a free screen >> reader for anytime use! >> >> TUTORIALS: >> * Excel >> * Outlook >> * PowerPoint >> * LaTeX >> >> TEMPLATES >> * Sample cover letters >> * Sample resumes/CV's >> * A bunch of professional documents to help you get your dream job >> >> RESOURCES: >> * LSAT Practice Test >> * NFB literature, including speeches and documents >> * The NFB Self-Advocacy Toolkit >> * Personal student testimonies from each of our training centers >> >> HEALTH/FITNESS >> * A plethora of exercise tips, tricks, and recipes so you can stay fit, >> while flourishing in and out of the classroom >> >> These handy thumb drives will be mailed to you personally. Once you fill out >> the below form and payment is received by our Treasurer, I will put one in >> the mail for you! >> Each flash drive costs just $10! Our target audience is future students, >> current students, non-traditional students, avid learners, parents, and >> anyone else who considers themselves intellectually curious. >> >> To order the drive, visit >> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0FJAEhElmWp_Smg2zM8DTRT9Sqmg1bhVv >> GEy_2pxZODSUBg/viewform?c=0&w=1 >> or visit our homepage students.nfb.org to share with your friends and >> peers. >> We accept PayPal, Venmo, and checks! >> >> Please reach out to Luke Schwinck (luke.schwinck at hotmail.com) or myself >> (nabs.president at gmail.com) with any questions! >> >> Happy learning, fellow students, >> Kathryn Webster >> President | National Association of Blind Students >> 203-273-8463 >> Nabs.president at gmail.com >> Nabslink.org >> @nabslink >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 23:08:33 2016 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 19:08:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Is This a Typical Request for Disability Services? In-Reply-To: References: <5792c071.d367620a.67b46.824c@mx.google.com> <85642946-F443-46C7-AACB-4DB805CBD92E@gmail.com> <006501d1e489$4238b480$c6aa1d80$@gmail.com> <52D42E3F-2622-42E5-B8EC-105DC98A3DD7@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Vejas and all, Definitely take the silver lining of the situation and use this time as a means of getting to know people. I found that some of my best friends on campus were the people who noticed I looked a bit turned around in the first few weeks or I stopped to ask for directions to a class, and most of the time people are willing to help all freshmen as even the sighted kids get completely turned around in the first week or two. As for learning the campus ahead of time, I'd recommend doing some walking around with a friend or family member as Arielle said. I did this with my mom a lot every time we'd visit to meet with disability services, the music department, or check out the dorm with my O&M instructor. Your family members, though not certified instructors, are probably a good resource for pointing out landmarks and potential hazards to avoid. Definitely pay attention to fountains and other audible cues, but also where construction blocks might be. My university underwent some major construction throughout campus in my sophomore and junior years, and it was really important to find where those blocked off areas would be to plan alternative routes accordingly. Make sure you don't just know one way to go through campus if possible, so that if you do find yourself in a situation where one route is better than the other you can choose the shortest or safest way. Voc rehab, as Justin said, has handled my O&M training. the disability services office has had no problem with sending a student worker to guide me to buildings I have needed to go to just one time here and there and therefore didn't spend time learning, but it was generally expected that I get myself to and from classes on a regular basis by myself since they knew I had those services and discussed the importance of utilizing voc rehab at our initial meetings. I don't know that my school would have viewed this long-term kind of assistance as a reasonable accommodation, especially since the way they do it they'd have to either reach out to professors you have and put an additional responsibility on other incoming freshman getting used to college life by assigning the task of fetching and bringing you to classes, or they'd have to hire someone and I'm not exactly sure how they'd figure out how to pay students for that kind of job when it's not something that can easily be justified for hourly wages. I don't know if your university has had blind students before you, but I think precedents of services might also apply somewhat as well depending on a lot of factors from if your university is public or private, what resources they have available, how big the campus is and what services are offered to all students regardless of disability in finding their way, etc. One thing I found really helpful was to ask my O&M instructor to provide me with a tactile map of the campus. He was able to do this for me as well as some other students he worked with at other colleges, and the map really did help. I carried it in my backpack for the first few weeks in case I needed to run an errand or meet someone in a building I didn't know very well yet. Disability services might also be able to produce a tactile map for you if your O&M can't provide one, and I think that absolutely would be a reasonable accommodation to ask for. HTH. On 7/23/16, Arielle Silverman via NABS-L wrote: > Hi Vejas and all, > I know it can take a while sometimes for voc rehab to get their act > together and send out a mobility instructor. In the meantime, though, > anybody who knows the campus can show you around. Even a visitor who > doesn't know campus, but who is a good map reader, can help you find > your classroom buildings. If your parents or other family or friends > are helping you move in, they could also help you practice routes to > classes simply by reading the maps. There is nothing particularly > special about having it be a certified O&M teacher or someone with any > kind of disability background. > It will be good for you to learn where your class buildings are > relative to big landmarks on campus, such as fountains or major > streets bordering campus. Then, if you get lost, you can ask > directions based on those landmarks. If you are living in the dorms, > you could also request help from the resident assistant (RA) or other > staff in your dorm, whose job it is to help all freshmen. > You may be surprised in how quickly you are able to learn to find your > classes. > Best, Arielle > > On 7/23/16, Greg Aikens via NABS-L wrote: >> I also had my DSO offer to have someone help me orient myself before the >> start of my freshmen year of college (too many years ago). That person >> helped me for one or two days, maybe three. They would have been available >> if I had a specific question about a route, but not to walk me to my >> classes >> every day. >> >> I certainly did get lost several times those first few weeks, but so did >> all >> freshmen. It was normal to stop someone and ask where a building was, >> normal >> for an older student to offer to show a group of freshmen where to go by >> walking part of the way, etc. I went to a small private school though, and >> that may not be so typical on a larger campus. >> >> If you are going to request this accommodation, I recommend you limit it >> to >> the first day you have each of your classes, or at most the first week. >> For >> me, my concerns about getting lost were a great catalyst for making >> friends >> in my classes early on. I would ask people where they were headed next >> after >> class and if they were heading in the same direction, I would ask to walk >> with them as far as our paths went the same way. This also motivated me to >> make friends with people in my dorm. I looked for people who might have a >> 9:00 AM class in the same building or in a building close to the building >> I >> needed and asked if we could walk together, at least at the beginning. You >> don’t want to be wholly dependent on these people of course, but it is a >> perfectly natural way to connect with others and learn your way at the >> same >> time. >> >> On a related note, my difficulties navigating the dining hall lead me to >> invite people to grab lunch after class etc. I got turned down plenty of >> times of course, but it was a good way to connect with people and learn my >> campus without them really even knowing it. Upon reflection, I probably >> would have benefited from better travel skills, but I made it work and >> developed some cool relationships in the process. >> >> Anyway, that’s just my take on it. I probably gave you more than you were >> asking for but I hope some of this helps. >> >> Best of luck with starting school this fall. >> >> -Greg >> >>> On Jul 22, 2016, at 10:23 PM, Justin Williams via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> Mine actually sais that they would also, but they also said that it was a >>> very short term thing because they just didn't have the man power. >>> Justin >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Logan >>> Anderson >>> via NABS-L >>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 9:53 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Cc: Logan Anderson >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is This a Typical Request for Disability Services? >>> >>> Hi, >>> I to begin college in less than a month. I have not requested this >>> particular service from my disability services office, but they have told >>> me >>> several times it is very typical to have someone help you learn the >>> campus. >>> Though they have said that it is typically only a few days that this >>> person >>> will help you. I am in the process of requesting my accommodations from >>> them, and will probably have no & M on my list of things that I am going >>> to >>> ask for help with, but I myself don't need a long-term partner. I >>> honestly >>> don't think my disability services office even offers a long-term option >>> like this. I don't have much insight on the situation, but I am sure they >>> will willingly work with whatever you need to help you succeed in >>> college. >>> If you are working through the vocational rehabilitation system in your >>> area, if there is one, then they also might have assistance that they can >>> offer you with this question. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jul 22, 2016, at 8:54 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> I start college next month, and have been trying to get everything >>>> ready, >>> which includes meetings with Disability Services and the normal >>> due-dates. >>> (I never would have thought that there would be so many due-dates between >>> college acceptance and the start of school-lesson learned there!" >>>> Although I have been getting to know my disability services, I have only >>> just today received an accmmodations letter. >>>> One accommodation that I requested from them is to have someone walk >>>> with >>> me to each of my classes for the first month or so, while I am still >>> learning the layout of the campus. Travel is one of these aspects for me >>> that I just need to have constant repetition for, and although I will be >>> working with someone authorized by the Department of Rehab, this process >>> is >>> still happening and I feel that knowing myself and my travel skills, I >>> need >>> this. DSS seems unsure if this is possible, but is willing to discuss >>> the >>> matter further. I don't know if their hesitation has anything to do with >>> the fact that I have 5 classes at 5 completely different times, although >>> I >>> think it would be more of a matter of me communicating with these >>> students >>> via text to arrange times. >>>> I have a meeting with them in two weeks, but was just wondering if you >>> have had any similar issues with them and how you have dealt with them. >>>> Thanks, >>>> Vejas >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/logan4447%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti Shelton From betatester329 at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 23:09:20 2016 From: betatester329 at gmail.com (petras) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 16:09:20 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] starting windows 10 in safe mode Message-ID: <5793f93c.da66ca0a.fbaba.27ee@mx.google.com> Hallo, I'm just wondering, I use jaws 17 and I'm curious if safe mode is accessible in wccarshs 10. Whq if I have no admin account and have to restore it using safe mode? From mikgephart at icloud.com Sat Jul 23 23:32:21 2016 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 19:32:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] OttorBox iPhone case screen cover Message-ID: Hi, I just got an OtterBox for my iPhone. It comes with a plastic thing to cover your screen. What are your opinions on using your phone with the covering verses without the covering? Thanks. Mikayla From ka.yat.li at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 23:33:15 2016 From: ka.yat.li at gmail.com (Ka Yat Li) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 19:33:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction Message-ID: <4d76e3ce-d31e-df53-7807-cdcaa4ec4a03@gmail.com> Hello everyone: My name is Ka (pronounced Kie) and I recently joined the list. I'm from Canada and attending York University in Toronto Ontario. I love playing around with tech, traveling, reading and doing Krav Maga which is a self-defense system from Israel. So far, I am enjoying the topics discussed. I hope to learn many things from the list. Ka Li From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 23:45:34 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 16:45:34 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction In-Reply-To: <4d76e3ce-d31e-df53-7807-cdcaa4ec4a03@gmail.com> References: <4d76e3ce-d31e-df53-7807-cdcaa4ec4a03@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Ka, Welcome to the list! I hope you find what you're looking for here. Are you in college? Also, what part of Canada are you from? I went there for a month when I was getting my guide dog about six years ago. Thanks for the intro, and welcome! Best, Cricket Bidleman On 7/23/16, Ka Yat Li via NABS-L wrote: > Hello everyone: > My name is Ka (pronounced Kie) and I recently joined the list. > I'm from Canada and attending York University in Toronto Ontario. I > love playing around with tech, traveling, reading and doing Krav Maga > which is a self-defense system from Israel. > So far, I am enjoying the topics discussed. I hope to learn many things > from the list. > > Ka Li > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From qtiffany1 at gmail.com Sun Jul 24 00:28:23 2016 From: qtiffany1 at gmail.com (tiffany miles) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 20:28:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] OttorBox iPhone case screen cover In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I have an otter box with a screen protector on mine and I don't mind it a bit it's actually not too bad Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 23, 2016, at 7:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi, > I just got an OtterBox for my iPhone. It comes with a plastic thing to cover your screen. What are your opinions on using your phone with the covering verses without the covering? Thanks. > Mikayla > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/qtiffany1%40gmail.com From logan4447 at gmail.com Sun Jul 24 00:52:31 2016 From: logan4447 at gmail.com (Logan Anderson) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 20:52:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] My Introduction Message-ID: Hi all, I recently joined the list as well. I have commented in a few discussions, and thought it was time to formally introduce myself. My name is Logan, and I am a freshman at Ball State University. I am obtaining my BA in psychology with a minor focus in Spanish. I intend to be a school guidance counselor, and after getting my bachelor's degree I will obtain a master's degree to do just that. I joined this list to gain knowledge and to share in experiences my blind and visually impaired peers may have had. I enjoy reading, music, and hanging out with my friends. My many interests include: rock climbing and other such extreme sports, architecture, medical history, the Spanish language and culture, and history. In high school I ran cross country, was in the women's chorus, and attended the Harvard Model Congress which is a mock Congress wherein the participants play the part of Congress members and create bills and law. I hope to learn a lot from this list. -- Logan From ka.yat.li at gmail.com Sun Jul 24 00:58:30 2016 From: ka.yat.li at gmail.com (Ka Yat Li) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 20:58:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Is This a Typical Request for Disability Services? In-Reply-To: References: <5792c071.d367620a.67b46.824c@mx.google.com> <85642946-F443-46C7-AACB-4DB805CBD92E@gmail.com> <006501d1e489$4238b480$c6aa1d80$@gmail.com> <52D42E3F-2622-42E5-B8EC-105DC98A3DD7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4135fcd4-a2a0-4e37-8aef-ab472d357542@gmail.com> Hi: To add on to what others have said, using tactile maps as well as taking the time to explore your campus, can help you develop a mental map of the area. Rather than thinking of getting lost as a bad thing, think of it as an opportunity to work on problem solving skills and to meet new people. The experiences you have with problem solving different types of navigation issues now can be used in the future. When you encounter the same problem in the future, you can resolve it quicker. Also, tactile landmarks such as dips in sidewalks and in buildings, can be used to orient yourself. As for auditory cues, you can use counters, acoustics, echo location, etc. The sense of smell can be useful as well. If you attend an orientation to the campus or have friends and family show you things, pay attention to different landmarks and if it's an unexplored area, you can add it to your mental map. Even if you kind of know the area, walking it multiple times can help you fill in details and other landmarks that you might not have noticed the first time you walk it. Route reversal helps when figuring out how to get back to a major landmark such as a central area where students can hang out and using a GPS app like BlindSquare can help you locate where the different buildings are Especially on a large campus where everything is spread out like mine. Even though I had O&M instruction during my last year of high school and help from my vision teacher in enrolling into university, I didn't have my O&M instructor do an orientation to the campus. I could've requested that but I had faith in the skills I've been taught so I didn't push for it. Instead, I had my family and friends show me a few places and I attended an orientation. After a few months, I learned how to get around some of the major parts of campus and after a couple of years, I now know the majority of the campus. York University is considered to be the fifth largest university in Canada in terms of campus size so I was understandably a little intimidated by the size but as I started to figure things out by breaking things into manageable pieces, I realized it wasn't too bad. Since I had to problem solve and figure out things on my own, my skills and confidence with traveling has continued to grow and as I continue to travel more, I continue to learn and grow in my skills. Hope this helps. Ka Li On 7/23/2016 7:08 PM, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L wrote: > Hi Vejas and all, > > Definitely take the silver lining of the situation and use this time > as a means of getting to know people. I found that some of my best > friends on campus were the people who noticed I looked a bit turned > around in the first few weeks or I stopped to ask for directions to a > class, and most of the time people are willing to help all freshmen as > even the sighted kids get completely turned around in the first week > or two. > > As for learning the campus ahead of time, I'd recommend doing some > walking around with a friend or family member as Arielle said. I did > this with my mom a lot every time we'd visit to meet with disability > services, the music department, or check out the dorm with my O&M > instructor. Your family members, though not certified instructors, > are probably a good resource for pointing out landmarks and potential > hazards to avoid. Definitely pay attention to fountains and other > audible cues, but also where construction blocks might be. My > university underwent some major construction throughout campus in my > sophomore and junior years, and it was really important to find where > those blocked off areas would be to plan alternative routes > accordingly. Make sure you don't just know one way to go through > campus if possible, so that if you do find yourself in a situation > where one route is better than the other you can choose the shortest > or safest way. > > Voc rehab, as Justin said, has handled my O&M training. the > disability services office has had no problem with sending a student > worker to guide me to buildings I have needed to go to just one time > here and there and therefore didn't spend time learning, but it was > generally expected that I get myself to and from classes on a regular > basis by myself since they knew I had those services and discussed the > importance of utilizing voc rehab at our initial meetings. I don't > know that my school would have viewed this long-term kind of > assistance as a reasonable accommodation, especially since the way > they do it they'd have to either reach out to professors you have and > put an additional responsibility on other incoming freshman getting > used to college life by assigning the task of fetching and bringing > you to classes, or they'd have to hire someone and I'm not exactly > sure how they'd figure out how to pay students for that kind of job > when it's not something that can easily be justified for hourly wages. > I don't know if your university has had blind students before you, but > I think precedents of services might also apply somewhat as well > depending on a lot of factors from if your university is public or > private, what resources they have available, how big the campus is and > what services are offered to all students regardless of disability in > finding their way, etc. > > One thing I found really helpful was to ask my O&M instructor to > provide me with a tactile map of the campus. He was able to do this > for me as well as some other students he worked with at other > colleges, and the map really did help. I carried it in my backpack > for the first few weeks in case I needed to run an errand or meet > someone in a building I didn't know very well yet. Disability > services might also be able to produce a tactile map for you if your > O&M can't provide one, and I think that absolutely would be a > reasonable accommodation to ask for. > > HTH. > > On 7/23/16, Arielle Silverman via NABS-L wrote: >> Hi Vejas and all, >> I know it can take a while sometimes for voc rehab to get their act >> together and send out a mobility instructor. In the meantime, though, >> anybody who knows the campus can show you around. Even a visitor who >> doesn't know campus, but who is a good map reader, can help you find >> your classroom buildings. If your parents or other family or friends >> are helping you move in, they could also help you practice routes to >> classes simply by reading the maps. There is nothing particularly >> special about having it be a certified O&M teacher or someone with any >> kind of disability background. >> It will be good for you to learn where your class buildings are >> relative to big landmarks on campus, such as fountains or major >> streets bordering campus. Then, if you get lost, you can ask >> directions based on those landmarks. If you are living in the dorms, >> you could also request help from the resident assistant (RA) or other >> staff in your dorm, whose job it is to help all freshmen. >> You may be surprised in how quickly you are able to learn to find your >> classes. >> Best, Arielle >> >> On 7/23/16, Greg Aikens via NABS-L wrote: >>> I also had my DSO offer to have someone help me orient myself before the >>> start of my freshmen year of college (too many years ago). That person >>> helped me for one or two days, maybe three. They would have been available >>> if I had a specific question about a route, but not to walk me to my >>> classes >>> every day. >>> >>> I certainly did get lost several times those first few weeks, but so did >>> all >>> freshmen. It was normal to stop someone and ask where a building was, >>> normal >>> for an older student to offer to show a group of freshmen where to go by >>> walking part of the way, etc. I went to a small private school though, and >>> that may not be so typical on a larger campus. >>> >>> If you are going to request this accommodation, I recommend you limit it >>> to >>> the first day you have each of your classes, or at most the first week. >>> For >>> me, my concerns about getting lost were a great catalyst for making >>> friends >>> in my classes early on. I would ask people where they were headed next >>> after >>> class and if they were heading in the same direction, I would ask to walk >>> with them as far as our paths went the same way. This also motivated me to >>> make friends with people in my dorm. I looked for people who might have a >>> 9:00 AM class in the same building or in a building close to the building >>> I >>> needed and asked if we could walk together, at least at the beginning. You >>> don’t want to be wholly dependent on these people of course, but it is a >>> perfectly natural way to connect with others and learn your way at the >>> same >>> time. >>> >>> On a related note, my difficulties navigating the dining hall lead me to >>> invite people to grab lunch after class etc. I got turned down plenty of >>> times of course, but it was a good way to connect with people and learn my >>> campus without them really even knowing it. Upon reflection, I probably >>> would have benefited from better travel skills, but I made it work and >>> developed some cool relationships in the process. >>> >>> Anyway, that’s just my take on it. I probably gave you more than you were >>> asking for but I hope some of this helps. >>> >>> Best of luck with starting school this fall. >>> >>> -Greg >>> >>>> On Jul 22, 2016, at 10:23 PM, Justin Williams via NABS-L >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Mine actually sais that they would also, but they also said that it was a >>>> very short term thing because they just didn't have the man power. >>>> Justin >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Logan >>>> Anderson >>>> via NABS-L >>>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 9:53 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>> Cc: Logan Anderson >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is This a Typical Request for Disability Services? >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> I to begin college in less than a month. I have not requested this >>>> particular service from my disability services office, but they have told >>>> me >>>> several times it is very typical to have someone help you learn the >>>> campus. >>>> Though they have said that it is typically only a few days that this >>>> person >>>> will help you. I am in the process of requesting my accommodations from >>>> them, and will probably have no & M on my list of things that I am going >>>> to >>>> ask for help with, but I myself don't need a long-term partner. I >>>> honestly >>>> don't think my disability services office even offers a long-term option >>>> like this. I don't have much insight on the situation, but I am sure they >>>> will willingly work with whatever you need to help you succeed in >>>> college. >>>> If you are working through the vocational rehabilitation system in your >>>> area, if there is one, then they also might have assistance that they can >>>> offer you with this question. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Jul 22, 2016, at 8:54 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L >>>> wrote: >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> I start college next month, and have been trying to get everything >>>>> ready, >>>> which includes meetings with Disability Services and the normal >>>> due-dates. >>>> (I never would have thought that there would be so many due-dates between >>>> college acceptance and the start of school-lesson learned there!" >>>>> Although I have been getting to know my disability services, I have only >>>> just today received an accmmodations letter. >>>>> One accommodation that I requested from them is to have someone walk >>>>> with >>>> me to each of my classes for the first month or so, while I am still >>>> learning the layout of the campus. Travel is one of these aspects for me >>>> that I just need to have constant repetition for, and although I will be >>>> working with someone authorized by the Department of Rehab, this process >>>> is >>>> still happening and I feel that knowing myself and my travel skills, I >>>> need >>>> this. DSS seems unsure if this is possible, but is willing to discuss >>>> the >>>> matter further. I don't know if their hesitation has anything to do with >>>> the fact that I have 5 classes at 5 completely different times, although >>>> I >>>> think it would be more of a matter of me communicating with these >>>> students >>>> via text to arrange times. >>>>> I have a meeting with them in two weeks, but was just wondering if you >>>> have had any similar issues with them and how you have dealt with them. >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Vejas >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/logan4447%40gmail.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>>> .com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >> > From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sun Jul 24 01:00:55 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 21:00:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Is This a Typical Request for Disability Services? In-Reply-To: References: <5792c071.d367620a.67b46.824c@mx.google.com> <85642946-F443-46C7-AACB-4DB805CBD92E@gmail.com> <006501d1e489$4238b480$c6aa1d80$@gmail.com> <52D42E3F-2622-42E5-B8EC-105DC98A3DD7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00cc01d1e546$d54fe730$7fefb590$@gmail.com> I learned the campus from not only my mobility instructor, but my brother, other people on campus, and trial and error were my teachers. My mother also walked a few routs with me, and once again, I got lost few times as well. I would follow people who were going the same way I was to learn the campus. And, did I mention that I also got lost? My mobility instructor did teach me the basics, so I had a good strong basic knowledge of the campus when I got there, but I learned a great deal when I got there and started attending college. You are only really going to learn the campus by just being there. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 1:00 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Arielle Silverman Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is This a Typical Request for Disability Services? Hi Vejas and all, I know it can take a while sometimes for voc rehab to get their act together and send out a mobility instructor. In the meantime, though, anybody who knows the campus can show you around. Even a visitor who doesn't know campus, but who is a good map reader, can help you find your classroom buildings. If your parents or other family or friends are helping you move in, they could also help you practice routes to classes simply by reading the maps. There is nothing particularly special about having it be a certified O&M teacher or someone with any kind of disability background. It will be good for you to learn where your class buildings are relative to big landmarks on campus, such as fountains or major streets bordering campus. Then, if you get lost, you can ask directions based on those landmarks. If you are living in the dorms, you could also request help from the resident assistant (RA) or other staff in your dorm, whose job it is to help all freshmen. You may be surprised in how quickly you are able to learn to find your classes. Best, Arielle On 7/23/16, Greg Aikens via NABS-L wrote: > I also had my DSO offer to have someone help me orient myself before > the start of my freshmen year of college (too many years ago). That > person helped me for one or two days, maybe three. They would have > been available if I had a specific question about a route, but not to > walk me to my classes every day. > > I certainly did get lost several times those first few weeks, but so > did all freshmen. It was normal to stop someone and ask where a > building was, normal for an older student to offer to show a group of > freshmen where to go by walking part of the way, etc. I went to a > small private school though, and that may not be so typical on a larger campus. > > If you are going to request this accommodation, I recommend you limit > it to the first day you have each of your classes, or at most the > first week. For me, my concerns about getting lost were a great > catalyst for making friends in my classes early on. I would ask people > where they were headed next after class and if they were heading in > the same direction, I would ask to walk with them as far as our paths > went the same way. This also motivated me to make friends with people > in my dorm. I looked for people who might have a > 9:00 AM class in the same building or in a building close to the > building I needed and asked if we could walk together, at least at the > beginning. You don’t want to be wholly dependent on these people of > course, but it is a perfectly natural way to connect with others and > learn your way at the same time. > > On a related note, my difficulties navigating the dining hall lead me > to invite people to grab lunch after class etc. I got turned down > plenty of times of course, but it was a good way to connect with > people and learn my campus without them really even knowing it. Upon > reflection, I probably would have benefited from better travel skills, > but I made it work and developed some cool relationships in the process. > > Anyway, that’s just my take on it. I probably gave you more than you > were asking for but I hope some of this helps. > > Best of luck with starting school this fall. > > -Greg > >> On Jul 22, 2016, at 10:23 PM, Justin Williams via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Mine actually sais that they would also, but they also said that it >> was a very short term thing because they just didn't have the man power. >> Justin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Logan >> Anderson via NABS-L >> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 9:53 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Logan Anderson >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is This a Typical Request for Disability Services? >> >> Hi, >> I to begin college in less than a month. I have not requested this >> particular service from my disability services office, but they have >> told me several times it is very typical to have someone help you >> learn the campus. >> Though they have said that it is typically only a few days that this >> person will help you. I am in the process of requesting my >> accommodations from them, and will probably have no & M on my list of >> things that I am going to ask for help with, but I myself don't need >> a long-term partner. I honestly don't think my disability services >> office even offers a long-term option like this. I don't have much >> insight on the situation, but I am sure they will willingly work with >> whatever you need to help you succeed in college. >> If you are working through the vocational rehabilitation system in >> your area, if there is one, then they also might have assistance that >> they can offer you with this question. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 22, 2016, at 8:54 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi All, >>> I start college next month, and have been trying to get everything >>> ready, >> which includes meetings with Disability Services and the normal due-dates. >> (I never would have thought that there would be so many due-dates >> between college acceptance and the start of school-lesson learned there!" >>> Although I have been getting to know my disability services, I have >>> only >> just today received an accmmodations letter. >>> One accommodation that I requested from them is to have someone walk >>> with >> me to each of my classes for the first month or so, while I am still >> learning the layout of the campus. Travel is one of these aspects >> for me that I just need to have constant repetition for, and although >> I will be working with someone authorized by the Department of Rehab, >> this process is still happening and I feel that knowing myself and my >> travel skills, I need this. DSS seems unsure if this is possible, >> but is willing to discuss the matter further. I don't know if their >> hesitation has anything to do with the fact that I have 5 classes at >> 5 completely different times, although I think it would be more of a >> matter of me communicating with these students via text to arrange >> times. >>> I have a meeting with them in two weeks, but was just wondering if >>> you >> have had any similar issues with them and how you have dealt with them. >>> Thanks, >>> Vejas >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/logan4447%40gmai >>> l.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2% >> 40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail. >> com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. > com > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com Sun Jul 24 03:06:39 2016 From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 23:06:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Studying for the SAT In-Reply-To: References: <001201d1e4ff$98430ee0$c8c92ca0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4EA17E11-084A-4CEF-A1AC-2215AD7A52A1@gmail.com> Hi, Do you have ets contact info? Nesma Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 23, 2016, at 15:37, Kartik Sawhney via NABS-L wrote: > > Yes > >> On 7/23/16, Cricket Bidleman wrote: >> Thanks! Also, and just curious, it's all free, right? >> >>> On 7/23/16, Kartik Sawhney wrote: >>> It's been a while, but I think answers are included. >>> >>>> On 7/23/16, Cricket Bidleman wrote: >>>> Thanks. I'll do that on Monday then. Just curious though, they do come >>>> with answers, right? >>>> >>>>> On 7/23/16, Kartik Sawhney wrote: >>>>> You can call the ETS disability services and request that practice >>>>> tests be mailed to you. They also have a book called Math Review that >>>>> helps review fundamental math concepts. While it's supposed to be for >>>>> the GRE, there is a significant overlap between GRE and the SAT. Math >>>>> Review is also available in accessible format online >>>>> (https://www.ets.org/gre/revised_general/prepare/disabilities/math_review). >>>>> >>>>>> On 7/23/16, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: >>>>>> Hi Jameyanne, >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks so much. I'll look into the practice tests. The problem with >>>>>> the bookshare option (and I have looked at that) is that the math >>>>>> portion is inaccessible. How would I get practice tests from ETS? And >>>>>> would they come with the answers? >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Cricket Bidleman >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7/23/16, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: >>>>>>> I took an SAT prep class for the blind at the Carroll Center for the >>>>>>> blind >>>>>>> in Massachusetts. Part of the class involved getting Braille copies >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> Princeton Review Cracking the SAT book and working the problems the >>>>>>> way >>>>>>> we >>>>>>> would have to work them on test day with our specific accommodations. >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> realize this is possibly infeasible for many reasons, but I bet you >>>>>>> can >>>>>>> get >>>>>>> the Princeton review ook on bookshare, at least, and I swear by the >>>>>>> Princeton review books for all standardized tests. You ca also get >>>>>>> Braille >>>>>>> practice tests from ETS. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket >>>>>>> Bidleman via NABS-L >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 12:02 PM >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cc: Cricket Bidleman >>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Studying for the SAT >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I recently got my score for the June SAT, and it really wasn't that >>>>>>> great. I'm planning to take it again to hopefully get a better one. >>>>>>> The problem is that I noticed a lack of adequate study materials. For >>>>>>> example, the SAT Question of the Day App is not accessible for the >>>>>>> math questions. freerice.org has an SAT section as well, but again >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> math is not accessible. Even the SAT Question of the Day section of >>>>>>> the SAT site isn't as accessible as it should be. Of course, >>>>>>> screenreaders have difficulty interpreting math anyway, but it could >>>>>>> be better. So how have you all studied for the SAT, and what actually >>>>>>> works? Thanks! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> Cricket Bidleman >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sawhney.kartik%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> -Kartik Sawhney, >>>>> +1-(510) 766-3419 >>>>> linkedin.com/in/kartiksawhney/ >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -Kartik Sawhney, >>> +1-(510) 766-3419 >>> linkedin.com/in/kartiksawhney/ > > > -- > -Kartik Sawhney, > +1-(510) 766-3419 > linkedin.com/in/kartiksawhney/ > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nesmaaly123%40gmail.com From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Sun Jul 24 03:15:23 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 20:15:23 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Studying for the SAT In-Reply-To: <4EA17E11-084A-4CEF-A1AC-2215AD7A52A1@gmail.com> References: <001201d1e4ff$98430ee0$c8c92ca0$@gmail.com> <4EA17E11-084A-4CEF-A1AC-2215AD7A52A1@gmail.com> Message-ID: No. Is it online? On 7/23/16, nesma aly via NABS-L wrote: > Hi, > Do you have ets contact info? > Nesma > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 23, 2016, at 15:37, Kartik Sawhney via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Yes >> >>> On 7/23/16, Cricket Bidleman wrote: >>> Thanks! Also, and just curious, it's all free, right? >>> >>>> On 7/23/16, Kartik Sawhney wrote: >>>> It's been a while, but I think answers are included. >>>> >>>>> On 7/23/16, Cricket Bidleman wrote: >>>>> Thanks. I'll do that on Monday then. Just curious though, they do come >>>>> with answers, right? >>>>> >>>>>> On 7/23/16, Kartik Sawhney wrote: >>>>>> You can call the ETS disability services and request that practice >>>>>> tests be mailed to you. They also have a book called Math Review that >>>>>> helps review fundamental math concepts. While it's supposed to be for >>>>>> the GRE, there is a significant overlap between GRE and the SAT. Math >>>>>> Review is also available in accessible format online >>>>>> (https://www.ets.org/gre/revised_general/prepare/disabilities/math_review). >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7/23/16, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Jameyanne, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks so much. I'll look into the practice tests. The problem with >>>>>>> the bookshare option (and I have looked at that) is that the math >>>>>>> portion is inaccessible. How would I get practice tests from ETS? >>>>>>> And >>>>>>> would they come with the answers? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> Cricket Bidleman >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 7/23/16, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: >>>>>>>> I took an SAT prep class for the blind at the Carroll Center for >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> blind >>>>>>>> in Massachusetts. Part of the class involved getting Braille copies >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Princeton Review Cracking the SAT book and working the problems the >>>>>>>> way >>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>> would have to work them on test day with our specific >>>>>>>> accommodations. >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> realize this is possibly infeasible for many reasons, but I bet you >>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>> the Princeton review ook on bookshare, at least, and I swear by the >>>>>>>> Princeton review books for all standardized tests. You ca also get >>>>>>>> Braille >>>>>>>> practice tests from ETS. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>> Cricket >>>>>>>> Bidleman via NABS-L >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 12:02 PM >>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cc: Cricket Bidleman >>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Studying for the SAT >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I recently got my score for the June SAT, and it really wasn't that >>>>>>>> great. I'm planning to take it again to hopefully get a better one. >>>>>>>> The problem is that I noticed a lack of adequate study materials. >>>>>>>> For >>>>>>>> example, the SAT Question of the Day App is not accessible for the >>>>>>>> math questions. freerice.org has an SAT section as well, but again >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> math is not accessible. Even the SAT Question of the Day section of >>>>>>>> the SAT site isn't as accessible as it should be. Of course, >>>>>>>> screenreaders have difficulty interpreting math anyway, but it >>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>> be better. So how have you all studied for the SAT, and what >>>>>>>> actually >>>>>>>> works? Thanks! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>> Cricket Bidleman >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sawhney.kartik%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> -Kartik Sawhney, >>>>>> +1-(510) 766-3419 >>>>>> linkedin.com/in/kartiksawhney/ >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -Kartik Sawhney, >>>> +1-(510) 766-3419 >>>> linkedin.com/in/kartiksawhney/ >> >> >> -- >> -Kartik Sawhney, >> +1-(510) 766-3419 >> linkedin.com/in/kartiksawhney/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nesmaaly123%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From haleysumner97 at gmail.com Sun Jul 24 03:44:25 2016 From: haleysumner97 at gmail.com (Haley Sumner) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 23:44:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] My Introduction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <928A1965-71CE-462E-BFE0-B4AE8203E90E@gmail.com> Welcome to the list Logan. Go cardinals!!! Haley Sumner > On Jul 23, 2016, at 20:52, Logan Anderson via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi all, > I recently joined the list as well. I have commented in a few > discussions, and thought it was time to formally introduce myself. > My name is Logan, and I am a freshman at Ball State University. I am > obtaining my BA in psychology with a minor focus in Spanish. I intend > to be a school guidance counselor, and after getting my bachelor's > degree I will obtain a master's degree to do just that. > I joined this list to gain knowledge and to share in experiences my > blind and visually impaired peers may have had. I enjoy reading, > music, and hanging out with my friends. My many interests include: > rock climbing and other such extreme sports, architecture, medical > history, the Spanish language and culture, and history. In high school > I ran cross country, was in the women's chorus, and attended the > Harvard Model Congress which is a mock Congress wherein the > participants play the part of Congress members and create bills and > law. > I hope to learn a lot from this list. -- > Logan > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/haleysumner97%40gmail.com From kmaent1 at gmail.com Sun Jul 24 04:26:12 2016 From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 00:26:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Is This a Typical Request for Disability Services? Message-ID: <57944390.d71f810a.6de44.3f69@mx.google.com> That's=20very=20important.=20=20Everyone=20gets=20lost.=20=20Sighted=20peop= le=20blind=20 people=20everyone.=20=20The=20trick=20is=20getting=20unlost=20again.=20=20T= his=20is=20a=20 bit=20more=20difficult=20for=20blind=20people=20because=20we=20don't=20have= =20all=20the=20 streets=20and=20buildings=20conveniently=20labeled=20like=20the=20sighted=20= do,=20 but=20apart=20from=20reading=20labels=20there=20are=20really=20only=20three= =20ways=20of=20 getting=20unlost,=20and=20they=20are=20used=20the=20same=20by=20the=20blind= =20and=20the=20 sighted.=20=20One=20is=20to=20use=20GPS,=20another=20is=20to=20find=20someo= ne=20to=20ask,=20 and=20the=20third=20is=20to=20walk=20until=20you=20find=20a=20familiar=20la= ndmark.=20=20The=20 latter=20often=20works=20best=20if=20you=20turn=20around=20and=20go=20back= =20to=20the=20 last=20place=20you=20knew=20where=20you=20were=20though=20if=20you=20can't= =20do=20that=20 you=20can=20just=20walk=20until=20you=20find=20something=20like=20a=20major= =20road=20that=20 you=20can=20follow.=20=20I=20find=20that=20having=20a=20compass=20or=20usin= g=20the=20 compass=20phone=20app=20is=20very=20helpful=20too=20because=20if=20you=20ha= ve=20a=20 general=20idea=20of=20how=20things=20are=20related=20to=20one=20another=20y= ou=20can=20 usually=20figure=20out=20which=20compass=20direction=20should=20take=20you= =20 towards=20an=20area=20that=20you=20know. =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Justin=20Williams=20via=20NABS-L=20=20wrote:= =20I=20also=20had=20my=20DSO=20offer=20to=20have=20someone=20help=20me=20or= ient=20myself=20 before =20the=20start=20of=20my=20freshmen=20year=20of=20college=20(too=20many=20y= ears=20ago).=20 That =20person=20helped=20me=20for=20one=20or=20two=20days,=20maybe=20three.=20T= hey=20would=20 have =20been=20available=20if=20I=20had=20a=20specific=20question=20about=20a=20= route,=20but=20 not=20to =20walk=20me=20to=20my=20classes=20every=20day. =20I=20certainly=20did=20get=20lost=20several=20times=20those=20first=20few= =20weeks,=20 but=20so =20did=20all=20freshmen.=20It=20was=20normal=20to=20stop=20someone=20and=20= ask=20where=20a =20building=20was,=20normal=20for=20an=20older=20student=20to=20offer=20to= =20show=20a=20 group=20of =20freshmen=20where=20to=20go=20by=20walking=20part=20of=20the=20way,=20etc= .=20I=20went=20to=20 a =20small=20private=20school=20though,=20and=20that=20may=20not=20be=20so=20= typical=20on=20a=20 larger=20campus. =20If=20you=20are=20going=20to=20request=20this=20accommodation,=20I=20reco= mmend=20you=20 limit =20it=20to=20the=20first=20day=20you=20have=20each=20of=20your=20classes,=20= or=20at=20most=20 the =20first=20week.=20For=20me,=20my=20concerns=20about=20getting=20lost=20wer= e=20a=20great =20catalyst=20for=20making=20friends=20in=20my=20classes=20early=20on.=20I= =20would=20ask=20 people =20where=20they=20were=20headed=20next=20after=20class=20and=20if=20they=20= were=20heading=20 in =20the=20same=20direction,=20I=20would=20ask=20to=20walk=20with=20them=20as= =20far=20as=20our=20 paths =20went=20the=20same=20way.=20This=20also=20motivated=20me=20to=20make=20fr= iends=20with=20 people =20in=20my=20dorm.=20I=20looked=20for=20people=20who=20might=20have=20a =209:00=20AM=20class=20in=20the=20same=20building=20or=20in=20a=20building= =20close=20to=20the =20building=20I=20needed=20and=20asked=20if=20we=20could=20walk=20together,= =20at=20least=20 at=20the =20beginning.=20You=20don=E2=80=99t=20want=20to=20be=20wholly=20dependent=20= on=20these=20 people=20of =20course,=20but=20it=20is=20a=20perfectly=20natural=20way=20to=20connect=20= with=20others=20 and =20learn=20your=20way=20at=20the=20same=20time. =20On=20a=20related=20note,=20my=20difficulties=20navigating=20the=20dining= =20hall=20 lead=20me =20to=20invite=20people=20to=20grab=20lunch=20after=20class=20etc.=20I=20go= t=20turned=20 down =20plenty=20of=20times=20of=20course,=20but=20it=20was=20a=20good=20way=20t= o=20connect=20with =20people=20and=20learn=20my=20campus=20without=20them=20really=20even=20kn= owing=20it.=20 Upon =20reflection,=20I=20probably=20would=20have=20benefited=20from=20better=20= travel=20 skills, =20but=20I=20made=20it=20work=20and=20developed=20some=20cool=20relationshi= ps=20in=20the=20 process. =20Anyway,=20that=E2=80=99s=20just=20my=20take=20on=20it.=20I=20probably=20= gave=20you=20more=20 than=20you =20were=20asking=20for=20but=20I=20hope=20some=20of=20this=20helps. =20Best=20of=20luck=20with=20starting=20school=20this=20fall. =20-Greg =20On=20Jul=2022,=202016,=20at=2010:23=20PM,=20Justin=20Williams=20via=20NA= BS-L =20=20wrote: =20Mine=20actually=20sais=20that=20they=20would=20also,=20but=20they=20also= =20said=20that=20 it =20was=20a=20very=20short=20term=20thing=20because=20they=20just=20didn't=20= have=20the=20 man=20power. =20Justin =20-----Original=20Message----- =20From:=20NABS-L=20[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]=20On=20Behalf=20Of=20= Logan =20Anderson=20via=20NABS-L =20Sent:=20Friday,=20July=2022,=202016=209:53=20PM =20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list =20=20wrote: =20Hi=20All, =20I=20start=20college=20next=20month,=20and=20have=20been=20trying=20to=20= get=20 everything =20ready, =20which=20includes=20meetings=20with=20Disability=20Services=20and=20the=20= normal=20 due-dates. =20(I=20never=20would=20have=20thought=20that=20there=20would=20be=20so=20m= any=20 due-dates =20between=20college=20acceptance=20and=20the=20start=20of=20school-lesson= =20 learned=20there!" =20Although=20I=20have=20been=20getting=20to=20know=20my=20disability=20ser= vices,=20I=20 have =20only =20just=20today=20received=20an=20accmmodations=20letter. =20One=20accommodation=20that=20I=20requested=20from=20them=20is=20to=20hav= e=20someone=20 walk =20with =20me=20to=20each=20of=20my=20classes=20for=20the=20first=20month=20or=20so= ,=20while=20I=20am=20 still =20learning=20the=20layout=20of=20the=20campus.=20=20Travel=20is=20one=20of= =20these=20 aspects =20for=20me=20that=20I=20just=20need=20to=20have=20constant=20repetition=20= for,=20and=20 although =20I=20will=20be=20working=20with=20someone=20authorized=20by=20the=20Depar= tment=20of=20 Rehab, =20this=20process=20is=20still=20happening=20and=20I=20feel=20that=20knowin= g=20myself=20 and=20my =20travel=20skills,=20I=20need=20this.=20=20DSS=20seems=20unsure=20if=20thi= s=20is=20 possible, =20but=20is=20willing=20to=20discuss=20the=20matter=20further.=20=20I=20don= 't=20know=20if=20 their =20hesitation=20has=20anything=20to=20do=20with=20the=20fact=20that=20I=20h= ave=205=20 classes=20at =205=20completely=20different=20times,=20although=20I=20think=20it=20would= =20be=20more=20 of=20a =20matter=20of=20me=20communicating=20with=20these=20students=20via=20text= =20to=20 arrange =20times. =20I=20have=20a=20meeting=20with=20them=20in=20two=20weeks,=20but=20was=20j= ust=20wondering=20 if =20you =20have=20had=20any=20similar=20issues=20with=20them=20and=20how=20you=20ha= ve=20dealt=20 with=20them. =20Thanks, =20Vejas =20_______________________________________________ =20NABS-L=20mailing=20list =20NABS-L at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info =20for =20NABS-L: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/logan4447%40g mai =20l.com =20_______________________________________________ =20NABS-L=20mailing=20list =20NABS-L at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for =20NABS-L: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia ms2% =2040gmail =20.com =20_______________________________________________ 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_______________________________________________ NABS-L=20mailing=20list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for=20NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma il.com From sawhney.kartik at gmail.com Sun Jul 24 16:57:20 2016 From: sawhney.kartik at gmail.com (Kartik Sawhney) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 09:57:20 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Studying for the SAT In-Reply-To: References: <001201d1e4ff$98430ee0$c8c92ca0$@gmail.com> <4EA17E11-084A-4CEF-A1AC-2215AD7A52A1@gmail.com> Message-ID: https://www.ets.org/disabilities/contact On 7/23/16, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: > No. Is it online? > > On 7/23/16, nesma aly via NABS-L wrote: >> Hi, >> Do you have ets contact info? >> Nesma >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 23, 2016, at 15:37, Kartik Sawhney via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> Yes >>> >>>> On 7/23/16, Cricket Bidleman wrote: >>>> Thanks! Also, and just curious, it's all free, right? >>>> >>>>> On 7/23/16, Kartik Sawhney wrote: >>>>> It's been a while, but I think answers are included. >>>>> >>>>>> On 7/23/16, Cricket Bidleman wrote: >>>>>> Thanks. I'll do that on Monday then. Just curious though, they do >>>>>> come >>>>>> with answers, right? >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7/23/16, Kartik Sawhney wrote: >>>>>>> You can call the ETS disability services and request that practice >>>>>>> tests be mailed to you. They also have a book called Math Review >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> helps review fundamental math concepts. While it's supposed to be >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> the GRE, there is a significant overlap between GRE and the SAT. >>>>>>> Math >>>>>>> Review is also available in accessible format online >>>>>>> (https://www.ets.org/gre/revised_general/prepare/disabilities/math_review). >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 7/23/16, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi Jameyanne, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks so much. I'll look into the practice tests. The problem with >>>>>>>> the bookshare option (and I have looked at that) is that the math >>>>>>>> portion is inaccessible. How would I get practice tests from ETS? >>>>>>>> And >>>>>>>> would they come with the answers? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>> Cricket Bidleman >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 7/23/16, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: >>>>>>>>> I took an SAT prep class for the blind at the Carroll Center for >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> blind >>>>>>>>> in Massachusetts. Part of the class involved getting Braille >>>>>>>>> copies >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> Princeton Review Cracking the SAT book and working the problems >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> way >>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>> would have to work them on test day with our specific >>>>>>>>> accommodations. >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> realize this is possibly infeasible for many reasons, but I bet >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>> the Princeton review ook on bookshare, at least, and I swear by >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> Princeton review books for all standardized tests. You ca also get >>>>>>>>> Braille >>>>>>>>> practice tests from ETS. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>>> Cricket >>>>>>>>> Bidleman via NABS-L >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 12:02 PM >>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cc: Cricket Bidleman >>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Studying for the SAT >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I recently got my score for the June SAT, and it really wasn't >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> great. I'm planning to take it again to hopefully get a better >>>>>>>>> one. >>>>>>>>> The problem is that I noticed a lack of adequate study materials. >>>>>>>>> For >>>>>>>>> example, the SAT Question of the Day App is not accessible for the >>>>>>>>> math questions. freerice.org has an SAT section as well, but again >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> math is not accessible. Even the SAT Question of the Day section >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> the SAT site isn't as accessible as it should be. Of course, >>>>>>>>> screenreaders have difficulty interpreting math anyway, but it >>>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>> be better. So how have you all studied for the SAT, and what >>>>>>>>> actually >>>>>>>>> works? Thanks! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>> Cricket Bidleman >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sawhney.kartik%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> -Kartik Sawhney, >>>>>>> +1-(510) 766-3419 >>>>>>> linkedin.com/in/kartiksawhney/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> -Kartik Sawhney, >>>>> +1-(510) 766-3419 >>>>> linkedin.com/in/kartiksawhney/ >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -Kartik Sawhney, >>> +1-(510) 766-3419 >>> linkedin.com/in/kartiksawhney/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nesmaaly123%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sawhney.kartik%40gmail.com > -- -Kartik Sawhney, +1-(510) 766-3419 linkedin.com/in/kartiksawhney/ From annajee82 at gmail.com Sun Jul 24 20:37:11 2016 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 14:37:11 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] OttorBox iPhone case screen cover In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4193DBD5-D982-4A95-A3A4-00A6955AE905@gmail.com> Hi, I am unclear as to whether you got an otter box case or just a screen protector but either way, in my personal opinion, it is best to protect my phone as much as possible. Phones now days are expensive, valuable pieces of technology. To not protect all parts of them is unwise, I would say. I have an otter box case which includes a plastic cover on the screen, works well. Anna E Givens > On Jul 23, 2016, at 6:28 PM, tiffany miles via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi, I have an otter box with a screen protector on mine and I don't mind it a bit it's actually not too bad > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 23, 2016, at 7:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hi, >> I just got an OtterBox for my iPhone. It comes with a plastic thing to cover your screen. What are your opinions on using your phone with the covering verses without the covering? Thanks. >> Mikayla >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/qtiffany1%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 00:20:13 2016 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 20:20:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] OttorBox iPhone case screen cover In-Reply-To: <4193DBD5-D982-4A95-A3A4-00A6955AE905@gmail.com> References: <4193DBD5-D982-4A95-A3A4-00A6955AE905@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, I have an Otterbox Defender on my phone. The Defender includes a built-in screen cover. I have not found the screen protector impacts my use of the phone. I have used cases which just go around the back and sides of the phone and don't cover the top at all and don't see a noticeable difference in how my phone detects touch on the screen. However, even if there was a slight delay in touch recognition, better to be a bit slow and have a case that could protect your screen from cracking than have only slightly faster responses and a greater risk of damage. On 7/24/16, Anna via NABS-L wrote: > Hi, > I am unclear as to whether you got an otter box case or just a screen > protector but either way, in my personal opinion, it is best to protect my > phone as much as possible. Phones now days are expensive, valuable pieces > of technology. To not protect all parts of them is unwise, I would say. > I have an otter box case which includes a plastic cover on the screen, works > well. > > Anna E Givens > > >> On Jul 23, 2016, at 6:28 PM, tiffany miles via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Hi, I have an otter box with a screen protector on mine and I don't mind >> it a bit it's actually not too bad >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 23, 2016, at 7:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> I just got an OtterBox for my iPhone. It comes with a plastic thing to >>> cover your screen. What are your opinions on using your phone with the >>> covering verses without the covering? Thanks. >>> Mikayla >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/qtiffany1%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti Shelton From dandrews at visi.com Mon Jul 25 01:20:04 2016 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 20:20:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] UBER DRIVER FACES CRIMINAL CHARGES Message-ID: NEWS RELEASE FOR IMMEDIATE USE FROM: Tennessee Association of Guide Dog Users DATE: July 18, 2016 TO: All Media RE: Criminal Case Against Uber Driver CONTACT: James Boehm 901-483-1515 secretary at nfb-tn.org UBER DRIVER FACES CRIMINAL CHARGES On April 28, 2016, James Boehm and his guide dog Shep were left stranded at an animal hospital in Murfreesboro, TN. An Uber driver defiantly squealed away, refusing to transport the guide dog team home. "I was distraught and infuriated all at once!" stated Mr. Boehm, who filed a police report with the Rutherford County sheriff's department. After an investigation, the state Attorney filed charges against Rolonda Douglas. The hearing is scheduled for August 9th, 2016 at 8:00 a.m. at the Rutherford County Judicial Building located at 20 North Public Square. "This case is so important because it sets a precedent for all Uber, Lyft, or other taxi drivers," says James Boehm. "If they discriminate against a service animal user, the violators will be prosecuted." Members of the National Federation of the Blind of Tennessee and their guide dogs, along with other service dog users from around the state plan to attend the hearing to support the cause. "Such incidents occur far too often and we want to present a strong,united front in support of this case," says james Brown, president of the NFB of Tennessee. "We want to make a statement that such discrimination is not acceptable. Not only does the Americans with Disabilities Act make it clear that disabled individuals have the right to be accompanied by a service dog, Tennessee statute 62.7.112 strengthens the ADA by providing criminal penalties for such discrimination. As a Class C misdemeanor, violating the civil rights of a disabled person accompanied by a service dog is punishable by up to 30 days in jail and/or a fine of up to $50. (The entire text of the Tennessee statute accompanies this release.) # # # About the National Federation of the Blind The National Federation of the Blind is the oldest and largest organization of the blind in the United States. The NFB knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people because low expectations are the obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not what holds you back. The Federation provides scholarships to blind students; support for those who are blind or losing their eyesight; advocacy for the blind facing discrimination; and educational programs for the general public on topics of blindness. The NFB is not an organization that speaks on behalf of the blind; we are the blind speaking for ourselves. About NAGDU The Tennessee Association of Guide Dog Users (TAGDU) is a strong and proud division of the National Association of Guide Dog Users. The National Association of Guide dog Users is the nation's leading membership organization for blind people who use guide dogs. NAGDU is a strong and proud division of the National Federation of the Blind. NAGDU conducts public awareness campaigns on issues of guide dog use, provides advocacy support for guide dog handlers who face discrimination, supports sound policy and effective legislation to protect the rights of guide dog users, offers educational programs to school and civic organizations, and functions as an integral part of the National Federation of the Blind. For more information about the National Association of Guide Dog Users and to support their work, you can visit their website at HTTP://WWW.NAGDU.ORG Or send an email message to Info at NAGDU.ORG From rob.parso3389 at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 04:43:29 2016 From: rob.parso3389 at gmail.com (Robert Parsons) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 00:43:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] UBER DRIVER FACES CRIMINAL CHARGES In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <150EEEF8-3186-477B-87B7-3DFF757CBCEA@gmail.com> This is interesting. I am sure that this young man will see justice and hopefully the precedent will be set. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 24, 2016, at 9:20 PM, David Andrews via NABS-L wrote: > > > NEWS RELEASE > FOR IMMEDIATE USE > FROM: Tennessee Association of Guide Dog Users > DATE: July 18, 2016 > TO: All Media > RE: Criminal Case Against Uber Driver > CONTACT: > James Boehm > 901-483-1515 > secretary at nfb-tn.org > > UBER DRIVER FACES CRIMINAL CHARGES > > On April 28, 2016, James Boehm and his guide dog Shep were left stranded at an animal hospital in Murfreesboro, TN. An Uber driver defiantly squealed away, refusing to transport the guide dog team home. > > "I was distraught and infuriated all at once!" stated Mr. Boehm, who filed a police report with the Rutherford County sheriff's department. After an investigation, the state Attorney filed charges against Rolonda Douglas. The hearing is scheduled for August 9th, 2016 at 8:00 a.m. at the Rutherford County Judicial Building located at 20 North Public Square. > > "This case is so important because it sets a precedent for all Uber, Lyft, or other taxi drivers," says James Boehm. "If they discriminate against a service animal user, the violators will be prosecuted." > > Members of the National Federation of the Blind of Tennessee and their guide dogs, along with other service dog users from around the state plan to attend the hearing to support the cause. "Such incidents occur far too often and we want to present a strong,united front in support of this case," says james Brown, president of the NFB of Tennessee. "We want to make a statement that such discrimination is not acceptable. > > Not only does the Americans with Disabilities Act make it clear that disabled individuals have the right to be accompanied by a service dog, Tennessee statute 62.7.112 strengthens the ADA by providing criminal penalties for such discrimination. As a Class C misdemeanor, violating the civil rights of a disabled person accompanied by a service dog is punishable by up to 30 days in jail and/or a fine of up to $50. (The entire text of the Tennessee statute accompanies this release.) > # # # > > > About the National Federation of the Blind > > The National Federation of the Blind is the oldest and largest organization of the blind in the United States. The NFB knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people because low expectations are the obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not what holds you back. The Federation provides scholarships to blind students; support for those who are blind or losing their eyesight; advocacy for the blind facing discrimination; and educational programs for the general public on topics of blindness. The NFB is not an organization that speaks on behalf of the blind; we are the blind speaking for ourselves. > > About NAGDU > The Tennessee Association of Guide Dog Users (TAGDU) is a strong and proud division of the National Association of Guide Dog Users. The National Association of Guide dog Users is the nation's leading membership organization for blind people who use guide dogs. NAGDU is a strong and proud division of the National Federation of the Blind. NAGDU conducts public awareness campaigns on issues of guide dog use, provides advocacy support for guide dog handlers who face discrimination, supports sound policy and effective legislation to protect the rights of guide dog users, offers educational programs to school and civic organizations, and functions as an integral part of the National Federation of the Blind. For more information about the National Association of Guide Dog Users and to support their work, you can visit their website at > > HTTP://WWW.NAGDU.ORG > > Or send an email message to > > Info at NAGDU.ORG > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rob.parso3389%40gmail.com From llstangl6 at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 15:11:13 2016 From: llstangl6 at gmail.com (Laura) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 10:11:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Is This a Typical Request for Disability Services? In-Reply-To: <5792c071.d367620a.67b46.824c@mx.google.com> References: <5792c071.d367620a.67b46.824c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <004b01d1e686$c95ce6d0$5c16b470$@gmail.com> Vejas Like most on this list I had an ONM person help me before classes started, then I would ask whoever was near for directions when I became lost. However, after getting lost going to the same building almost every time I asked DSS and we set up a time with the admission office to have one of their tour guides to take me around one more time I am not say that I never got lost again but it helped with the repetitiveness I need for travel. One other thing that my college has done for me and one other student on our small campus is to hang wind chimes by the doors on campus. At first I thought this would get confusing with all the wind chimes, but we worked together chose different sounds (there are surprisingly a lot of sound types including wood chimes). It has made a huge difference for me to have this sound cue and almost all the students love it. I have heard that the chimes make many students smile. This was a very inexpensive solution to me having difficulty with one specific building on campus and your campus would need to have wind most days for this to work. Laura -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 7:55 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas Subject: [nabs-l] Is This a Typical Request for Disability Services? Hi All, I start college next month, and have been trying to get everything ready, which includes meetings with Disability Services and the normal due-dates. (I never would have thought that there would be so many due-dates between college acceptance and the start of school-lesson learned there!" Although I have been getting to know my disability services, I have only just today received an accmmodations letter. One accommodation that I requested from them is to have someone walk with me to each of my classes for the first month or so, while I am still learning the layout of the campus. Travel is one of these aspects for me that I just need to have constant repetition for, and although I will be working with someone authorized by the Department of Rehab, this process is still happening and I feel that knowing myself and my travel skills, I need this. DSS seems unsure if this is possible, but is willing to discuss the matter further. I don't know if their hesitation has anything to do with the fact that I have 5 classes at 5 completely different times, although I think it would be more of a matter of me communicating with these students via text to arrange times. I have a meeting with them in two weeks, but was just wondering if you have had any similar issues with them and how you have dealt with them. Thanks, Vejas _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/llstangl6%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 19:57:22 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 15:57:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Is This a Typical Request for Disability Services? In-Reply-To: <004b01d1e686$c95ce6d0$5c16b470$@gmail.com> References: <5792c071.d367620a.67b46.824c@mx.google.com> <004b01d1e686$c95ce6d0$5c16b470$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001d1e6ae$d4f74d50$7ee5e7f0$@gmail.com> Laura, the wind chimes are an ingenious solution. Well done friend. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Laura via NABS-L Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 11:11 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Laura Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is This a Typical Request for Disability Services? Vejas Like most on this list I had an ONM person help me before classes started, then I would ask whoever was near for directions when I became lost. However, after getting lost going to the same building almost every time I asked DSS and we set up a time with the admission office to have one of their tour guides to take me around one more time I am not say that I never got lost again but it helped with the repetitiveness I need for travel. One other thing that my college has done for me and one other student on our small campus is to hang wind chimes by the doors on campus. At first I thought this would get confusing with all the wind chimes, but we worked together chose different sounds (there are surprisingly a lot of sound types including wood chimes). It has made a huge difference for me to have this sound cue and almost all the students love it. I have heard that the chimes make many students smile. This was a very inexpensive solution to me having difficulty with one specific building on campus and your campus would need to have wind most days for this to work. Laura -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 7:55 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas Subject: [nabs-l] Is This a Typical Request for Disability Services? Hi All, I start college next month, and have been trying to get everything ready, which includes meetings with Disability Services and the normal due-dates. (I never would have thought that there would be so many due-dates between college acceptance and the start of school-lesson learned there!" Although I have been getting to know my disability services, I have only just today received an accmmodations letter. One accommodation that I requested from them is to have someone walk with me to each of my classes for the first month or so, while I am still learning the layout of the campus. Travel is one of these aspects for me that I just need to have constant repetition for, and although I will be working with someone authorized by the Department of Rehab, this process is still happening and I feel that knowing myself and my travel skills, I need this. DSS seems unsure if this is possible, but is willing to discuss the matter further. I don't know if their hesitation has anything to do with the fact that I have 5 classes at 5 completely different times, although I think it would be more of a matter of me communicating with these students via text to arrange times. I have a meeting with them in two weeks, but was just wondering if you have had any similar issues with them and how you have dealt with them. Thanks, Vejas _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/llstangl6%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 20:34:51 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 16:34:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] footnotes Message-ID: <57967821.4ecc0d0a.27722.757c@mx.google.com> Hi Jamie Ann thanks for your message. I agree that footnotes are important. There is no secret way to read them. I just search for the word footnotes in my textbook on the BrailleNote. From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 20:34:48 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 16:34:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Study Methods and Tools Message-ID: <5796781e.4ecc0d0a.27722.757a@mx.google.com> Hi Amy thanks for your message. I use various study methods and tools. I begin reading ahead of each semester before the first day of class. When studying for tests I use any powerpoints or notes that the professors have provided and review my own notes. From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 20:34:56 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 16:34:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Studying for the SAT Message-ID: <57967826.4ecc0d0a.27722.757f@mx.google.com> Hi Cricket thanks for your message. When I took this test I prepared for it by having someone read me the printed material from the booklet that I received. I also prepared by completing a braille practice test. From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 20:34:53 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 16:34:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Is This a Typical Request for Disability Services? Message-ID: <57967824.4ecc0d0a.27722.757e@mx.google.com> This is not a typical request for your Disability Services office. If I were you I would take notes on the different routes that you will be taking for each of your classes. On the Sunday before classes begin in the Fall semesters, my parents and I go to the campus and find where my classes are located. From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 20:35:00 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 16:35:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] My Introduction Message-ID: <5796782a.4ecc0d0a.27722.7585@mx.google.com> Hi Logan welcome to the list. My name is Roanna Bacchus. I am also a college student pursuing my Bachelor's degree in Interdisciplinary Studies. I hope you enjoy your time here. From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 20:34:58 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 16:34:58 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] OttorBox iPhone case screen cover Message-ID: <57967828.4ecc0d0a.27722.7581@mx.google.com> Hi Mikayla thanks for your message. When I got my phone I took the plastic screen covering off of it. I find that it is easier to use my phone when it is in the case. From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 20:47:58 2016 From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 16:47:58 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Studying for the SAT Message-ID: Hi all, has anyone used a taughtor to study for this test? Sent from my iPhone From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Jul 25 23:16:12 2016 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 19:16:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] {Spam?} bowling league interest in Northern Virginia Message-ID: <94402B1F26F64561A08BBF340A8ED5C5@OwnerPC> Hi all, A friend of mine, Richard Benham, is trying to revive a bowling league which was suspended due to lack of players. Richard is trying to organize a league which needs 12 members to play. This league is the Capital Area Rail Blazers. Is anyone here in Northern Virginia and interested. The league will play in September in Annandale VA Monday nights at 6:30. If interested please contact Richard to sign up or get more info. His email is go4br2dj at gmail.com. Thanks. Ashley From alpineimagination at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 00:40:32 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 17:40:32 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Sendero GPS and Braillenote Message-ID: <5796b1a0.0a52420a.56060.92ee@mx.google.com> Hi All, I am having some issues installing my version of sendero GPS on the braillenote. Although I downloaded and installed the software, the Braille-Note will not recognize it. Even though I downloaded 1 map, my device says that there are no maps loaded, and it thinks that my GPS's map year is 0. I was just wondering if anyone else on here had this problem. If not I will contact Sendero. Thanks, Vejas From bre.brown24 at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 17:17:55 2016 From: bre.brown24 at gmail.com (Bre Brown) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 12:17:55 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] ANNOUNCEMENT: July Membership Call, Meet the 2016 NABS Board this Sunday Message-ID: Greetings NABS, The 2016 NABS Board is eager to host our first membership call as newly elected leaders! This Sunday, July 31, we invite you to join us for our Meet the Board call at 7:00 pm eastern. During this call, the NABS Board will have the opportunity to introduce themselves. We will discuss our various committees and ambitious plans for the upcoming year. Perhaps the most important part: Bring your questions, suggestions, and ideas! We will have time during the call to answer any questions you may have, as well as dream big with our members. Call: 605-475-6700 Passcode: 7869673 We look forward to talking to everyone this Sunday at 7:00 pm eastern. Thanks Bre Brown Vice president, National Association of Blind students From jldail13 at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 17:21:30 2016 From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:21:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ANNOUNCEMENT: July Membership Call, Meet the 2016 NABS Board this Sunday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3ABD46D3-BF08-4FEA-BAF7-AE1BCCF1D555@gmail.com> Hi, Who is invited? Who can vote? I’m just curious. On 7/26/16, 1:17 PM, "NABS-L on behalf of Bre Brown via NABS-L" wrote: Greetings NABS, The 2016 NABS Board is eager to host our first membership call as newly elected leaders! This Sunday, July 31, we invite you to join us for our Meet the Board call at 7:00 pm eastern. During this call, the NABS Board will have the opportunity to introduce themselves. We will discuss our various committees and ambitious plans for the upcoming year. Perhaps the most important part: Bring your questions, suggestions, and ideas! We will have time during the call to answer any questions you may have, as well as dream big with our members. Call: 605-475-6700 Passcode: 7869673 We look forward to talking to everyone this Sunday at 7:00 pm eastern. Thanks Bre Brown Vice president, National Association of Blind students _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jldail13%40gmail.com From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 17:28:05 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 10:28:05 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] ANNOUNCEMENT: July Membership Call, Meet the 2016 NABS Board this Sunday In-Reply-To: <3ABD46D3-BF08-4FEA-BAF7-AE1BCCF1D555@gmail.com> References: <3ABD46D3-BF08-4FEA-BAF7-AE1BCCF1D555@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Bre and Jessica, I will but there, rain or shine. Jessica, there is no voting on the board. The board has already been elected. Also, anyone who is already a part of NABS or wants to join NABS can be a part of the call. Thanks! Hope that helps. Best, Cricket Bidleman On 7/26/16, Jessica Dail via NABS-L wrote: > Hi, > Who is invited? > Who can vote? > I’m just curious. > > > On 7/26/16, 1:17 PM, "NABS-L on behalf of Bre Brown via NABS-L" > wrote: > > Greetings NABS, > > The 2016 NABS Board is eager to host our first membership call as > newly elected leaders! > This Sunday, July 31, we invite you to join us for our Meet the Board > call at 7:00 pm eastern. During this call, the NABS Board will have > the opportunity to introduce themselves. We will discuss our various > committees and ambitious plans for the upcoming year. > Perhaps the most important part: Bring your questions, suggestions, > and ideas! We will have time during the call to answer any questions > you may have, as well as dream big with our members. > > Call: 605-475-6700 > Passcode: 7869673 > > We look forward to talking to everyone this Sunday at 7:00 pm eastern. > > Thanks > Bre Brown > > Vice president, National Association of Blind students > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jldail13%40gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From bre.brown24 at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 18:09:19 2016 From: bre.brown24 at gmail.com (Bre Brown) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:09:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] ANNOUNCEMENT: July Membership Call, Meet the 2016 NABS Board this Sunday In-Reply-To: References: <3ABD46D3-BF08-4FEA-BAF7-AE1BCCF1D555@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all, Yes, thank you Cricket. Anyone who is a student or who is interested in the student division can join. Thanks Bre On 7/26/16, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: > Hi Bre and Jessica, > > I will but there, rain or shine. Jessica, there is no voting on the > board. The board has already been elected. Also, anyone who is already > a part of NABS or wants to join NABS can be a part of the call. > Thanks! Hope that helps. > > Best, > Cricket Bidleman > > On 7/26/16, Jessica Dail via NABS-L wrote: >> Hi, >> Who is invited? >> Who can vote? >> I’m just curious. >> >> >> On 7/26/16, 1:17 PM, "NABS-L on behalf of Bre Brown via NABS-L" >> wrote: >> >> Greetings NABS, >> >> The 2016 NABS Board is eager to host our first membership call as >> newly elected leaders! >> This Sunday, July 31, we invite you to join us for our Meet the Board >> call at 7:00 pm eastern. During this call, the NABS Board will have >> the opportunity to introduce themselves. We will discuss our various >> committees and ambitious plans for the upcoming year. >> Perhaps the most important part: Bring your questions, suggestions, >> and ideas! We will have time during the call to answer any questions >> you may have, as well as dream big with our members. >> >> Call: 605-475-6700 >> Passcode: 7869673 >> >> We look forward to talking to everyone this Sunday at 7:00 pm >> eastern. >> >> Thanks >> Bre Brown >> >> Vice president, National Association of Blind students >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jldail13%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bre.brown24%40gmail.com > From awildheir at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 19:48:06 2016 From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 15:48:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Need serious help regarding school issues Message-ID: Hi guys I'm trying to find someone who has extensive experience and knowledge on dealing with a school regarding accommodations and fair practices. There's so much that I could tell you but I don't think I could do it enough justice here. Is a short list of issues: Notes Note takers Exams with complications Remedies for the exams with complications Administrators withholding information regarding effects of things on your ability to proceed in school. Please contact me if you have extensive understanding or experience pressing these issues. Thank you very much. Aimee Sent from my iPhone From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 20:15:18 2016 From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 16:15:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Need serious help regarding school issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15628d8e3f0.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> Aimee, Contact me 5026481722, have dealt with the same issues and gotten what I needed. Aaron From AKaiser999 at gmx.us Tue Jul 26 20:24:03 2016 From: AKaiser999 at gmx.us (Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 16:24:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Need serious help regarding school issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <060e01d1e77b$a7df54c0$f79dfe40$@gmx.us> Hello Aimee, Hello Aimee this is Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser. I am a former college student. I would like to discuss your college disabilities accomadations issues with you off list. If you have any questions regarding college accomodations, my Iphone number is (848) 205-0208 my facebook page is at HTTPS://M.FACEBOOK.COM/AlexanderScottKaiser999999 and my E-Mail address is AKaiser999 at gmx.us. Thank you for your time and consideration. Sincerely, Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser P.S. Thank you and I hope you have a wonderful, fantastic and fabulous day! From jhud7789 at outlook.com Tue Jul 26 20:35:04 2016 From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 20:35:04 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Need serious help regarding school issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Amy, I have went through this in grade school. If you would like to talk with me my information is below and my signature. I would be graciously to hope you find ways to communicate or get information from you're School if necessary. Joseph Hudson Email jhud7789 at gmail.com I device support Telephone 2543007667 Skype joseph.hudson89 facebook https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 Twitter https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 FaceTime/iMessage jhud7789 at yahoo.com On Jul 26, 2016, at 2:48 PM, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L > wrote: Hi guys I'm trying to find someone who has extensive experience and knowledge on dealing with a school regarding accommodations and fair practices. There's so much that I could tell you but I don't think I could do it enough justice here. Is a short list of issues: Notes Note takers Exams with complications Remedies for the exams with complications Administrators withholding information regarding effects of things on your ability to proceed in school. Please contact me if you have extensive understanding or experience pressing these issues. Thank you very much. Aimee Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 20:44:48 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 16:44:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Sendero GPS and Braillenote Message-ID: <5797cbf8.829a810a.83785.4e6e@mx.google.com> Hi Vejas I have not had this problem. From lhnews at lighthouse-sf.org Tue Jul 26 21:47:05 2016 From: lhnews at lighthouse-sf.org (LightHouse for the Blind and Visually Impaired) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 21:47:05 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Summer Concerts: Blind Music Academy Announces Three Concert Dates in August Message-ID: <092c797c80bc42a6b740e5f7231bda21@1155-009.core.lighthouse-sf.org> Blind Music Academy Offering Free Concerts in August In its third year, LightHouse's summer Music Academy grows and expands. With an emphasis on composition, performance and learning to read and write music in braille for musicians who are blind or have low vision and are ages 16 to 24, our talent pool and ambition continues to grow. This year we're excited to host students from the United States, Mexico and Canada. And with the opening in May of the LightHouse's state-of-the-art San Francisco facility, Blind Music Academy will now be held both in the city and the country. Each year Blind Music Academy culminates with a performance by our blind students, and this time around the group has announced that they will perform not once but three times, with additional concerts in both downtown Napa and San Francisco. Experience the power of Music Academy by joining us at one of these three, free concerts: Blind Music Academy Summer Tour Dates Friday, August 5 - Covenant Presbyterian Church, 7:30 p.m. 1226 Salvador Ave, Napa, CA 94558 Saturday, August 6 - Enchanted Hills Camp, 4:00 p.m., with dinner following. 3410 Mt Veeder Rd, Napa, CA 94558 Tuesday, August 9 - LightHouse for the Blind, 5:30 p.m., with reception following. 1155 Market Street, 10th Floor, San Francisco 94103 Each concert is free. For those attending the concert at Enchanted Hills Camp, we are requesting a donation if you wish to join us for dinner after the show. Please RSVP for all concerts to Tony Fletcher at tfletcher at lighthouse-sf.org. About Blind Music Academy Enchanted Hills Camp has paired up with Bill McCann, founder and president of Dancing Dots Braille Music Technology. Bill McCann pioneered this specialized music academy model both in Canada and in the United States. Music Academy is for musicians who are blind or have low vision between the ages of 16 to 24 years old who are serious about music or might be thinking of entering the profession. This academy introduces students to using non-visual techniques to compose music, read the works of others, learn performance skills and gain the capacity to compete for and win employment in the music field. This year's Music Academy session is full. If you have questions about next year's session, please contact Taccarra Burrell at tburrell at lighthouse-sf.org or 415-694-7318. Visit the LightHouse for the Blind's new headquarters at 1155 Market Street, 10th Floor. Check out our store, Adaptations, experience the new facility designed by and for people who are blind and learn about all of our programs and resources for people who are blind or have low vision. From chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com Tue Jul 26 21:57:34 2016 From: chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com (chelsea peahl) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 21:57:34 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Need serious help regarding school issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Aimee, I currently work for accessibility services and have experience as a student going through some unfair issues in school. If you would like, my email is Chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com Chelsea Peahl > On Jul 26, 2016, at 1:49 PM, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi guys I'm trying to find someone who has extensive experience and knowledge on dealing with a school regarding accommodations and fair practices. There's so much that I could tell you but I don't think I could do it enough justice here. > > Is a short list of issues: > Notes > Note takers > Exams with complications > Remedies for the exams with complications > > Administrators withholding information regarding effects of things on your ability to proceed in school. > > Please contact me if you have extensive understanding or experience pressing these issues. > > Thank you very much. > > > Aimee > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelsea.peahl%40hotmail.com From ligne14 at verizon.net Tue Jul 26 22:25:34 2016 From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 18:25:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Summer Concerts: Blind Music Academy Announces Three ConcertDates in August Message-ID: <0OAY002720ZQ8K60@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> Hi all, I'm a proud attendee of this year's Enchanted Hills Music Camp. I'm really excited not only about visiting California, improving my musician skills, and meeting new people, but also because next Monday I'll be independently traveling the furthest distance I've ever traveled on my own, all the way from my home state of New York. I therefore think that this opportunity will not only be a great chance for me to improve my skills in music, but also in becoming more independence as well, plus the fact that I'll be taking the plane by myself for the first time while I'm just 18. Although, after the camp I won't be coming straight back home; my family is coming out and joining me so that we can take a 10-day-long vacation because we've actually been planning to go to San Francisco in the first place. Thanks and happy August, Sami ----- Original Message ----- From: LightHouse for the Blind and Visually Impaired via NABS-L. About Blind Music Academy Enchanted Hills Camp has paired up with Bill McCann, founder and president of Dancing Dots Braille Music Technology. Bill McCann pioneered this specialized music academy model both in Canada and in the United States. Music Academy is for musicians who are blind or have low vision between the ages of 16 to 24 years old who are serious about music or might be thinking of entering the profession. This academy introduces students to using non-visual techniques to compose music, read the works of others, learn performance skills and gain the capacity to compete for and win employment in the music field. This year's Music Academy session is full. If you have questions about next year's session, please contact Taccarra Burrell at tburrell at lighthouse-sf.org or 415-694-7318. Visit the LightHouse for the Blind's new headquarters at 1155 Market Street, 10th Floor. Check out our store, Adaptations, experience the new facility designed by and for people who are blind and learn about all of our programs and resources for people who are blind or have low vision. _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ligne14%40ver izon.net From discoduck221 at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 00:27:28 2016 From: discoduck221 at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 20:27:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ANNOUNCEMENT: July Membership Call, Meet the 2016 NABS Board this Sunday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi All! If you can't call in but want to hear the call, KJSC Radio will be streaming it live for those who can't get to a phone. Go to http://onj.me/kjscradio at 7 PM this Sunday night to hear and meet your new nabs board! >From David From bre.brown24 at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 00:31:10 2016 From: bre.brown24 at gmail.com (Bre Brown) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 19:31:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Adult Rehabilitation and Employment Survey Message-ID: Hi All, I invite you to take part in the following survey. I am pasting the note from Dr. Bell below. Adult Rehabilitation and Employment Survey We are looking for you! If you are blind or visually impaired, reside in the United States, and are at least 18 years of age, we cordially invite you to participate in this survey. The purpose of this survey is to gain a better understanding of your experiences as an adult who is blind or visually impaired, including your experiences with education, employment, training, and vocational rehabilitation. If you complete this survey, you will be entered into a drawing in which 5 individuals will win a $100 VISA gift card. We offer you three ways to complete the survey: Go to: www.pdrib.com/ares Or you may Email: pdrib2016 at gmail.com Or you may call: 318-257-2029 Thank you for taking the time to better help us understand the lived experiences of adults with visual impairments. Questions or concerns about this survey may be directed to: Edward Bell, Principal Investigator Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness 318-257-4554 ebell at latech.edu Thanks Bre Brown First vice president, National Association of Blind Students From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 01:55:55 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 18:55:55 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] ANNOUNCEMENT: July Membership Call, Meet the 2016 NABS Board this Sunday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey, that's really cool! Can you talk this way too? Or is it just listening? On 7/26/16, David Dunphy via NABS-L wrote: > Hi All! > If you can't call in but want to hear the call, KJSC Radio will be > streaming it live for those who can't get to a phone. Go to > http://onj.me/kjscradio > at 7 PM this Sunday night to hear and meet your new nabs board! > From David > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 14:23:13 2016 From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:23:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] SAT/ACT Message-ID: <14BA2AA4-35E1-4F28-9573-D03D523EB8F5@gmail.com> Morning all, I was wondering what is the difference between the SAT and ACT and which one is better? Thanks, Nesma From theweird1 at mediacombb.net Wed Jul 27 15:12:59 2016 From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:12:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] SAT/ACT In-Reply-To: SPkzbyUtlh4BbSPl3bb1IS References: SPkzbyUtlh4BbSPl3bb1IS Message-ID: <006c01d1e819$5d241fd0$176c5f70$@mediacombb.net> They are two different tests. Some institutions use SAT and some use ACT. Loren -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of nesma aly via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 9:23 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: nesma aly Subject: [nabs-l] SAT/ACT Morning all, I was wondering what is the difference between the SAT and ACT and which one is better? Thanks, Nesma _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/theweird1%40mediacombb.n et ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7690 / Virus Database: 4627/12692 - Release Date: 07/27/16 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7690 / Virus Database: 4627/12692 - Release Date: 07/27/16 From chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com Wed Jul 27 15:30:02 2016 From: chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com (chelsea peahl) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 15:30:02 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] SAT/ACT In-Reply-To: <14BA2AA4-35E1-4F28-9573-D03D523EB8F5@gmail.com> References: <14BA2AA4-35E1-4F28-9573-D03D523EB8F5@gmail.com> Message-ID: It really depends on what your school uses. Chelsea Peahl > On Jul 27, 2016, at 8:24 AM, nesma aly via NABS-L wrote: > > Morning all, > I was wondering what is the difference between the SAT and ACT and which one is better? > Thanks, > Nesma > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelsea.peahl%40hotmail.com From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 15:40:58 2016 From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 11:40:58 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] SAT/ACT In-Reply-To: <006c01d1e819$5d241fd0$176c5f70$@mediacombb.net> References: <006c01d1e819$5d241fd0$176c5f70$@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: Can someone is expand on this? What are the differences? Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 27, 2016, at 11:12, Loren Wakefield wrote: > > They are two different tests. Some institutions use SAT and some use ACT. > > Loren > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of nesma aly via > NABS-L > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 9:23 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: nesma aly > Subject: [nabs-l] SAT/ACT > > Morning all, > I was wondering what is the difference between the SAT and ACT and which one > is better? > Thanks, > Nesma > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/theweird1%40mediacombb.n > et > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2016.0.7690 / Virus Database: 4627/12692 - Release Date: 07/27/16 > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2016.0.7690 / Virus Database: 4627/12692 - Release Date: 07/27/16 > From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 15:47:20 2016 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:47:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] SAT/ACT Message-ID: <5798d7a4.c5a2810a.be7a7.bfc2@mx.google.com> Nesma, I've taken the ACT four times and the PSAT once. The difference in the tests ir primarily in the way they're written. In the ACT, you start off with an English section, then move to a reading section, then Math, then science. The SAT switches around. It has a math, then an english, then another math. The SAT sections are shorter though. I've noticed (and this by means applies across the board) that schools in the south tend to take the ACT while those in the north and west tend to go for the SAT. A lot of schools now accept both, so you can just choose which style you prefer. I preferred the style of the ACT, because my brain didn't like switching rapidly between subjects. The main reason I took the PSAT my junior year was because if you score high enough on that test, you can potentially win a National Merit scholarship. Hope this helps. Sophie ----- Original Message ----- From: nesma aly via NABS-L wrote: They are two different tests. Some institutions use SAT and some use ACT. Loren -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of nesma aly via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 9:23 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: nesma aly Subject: [nabs-l] SAT/ACT Morning all, I was wondering what is the difference between the SAT and ACT and which one is better? Thanks, Nesma _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/theweird1%40m ediacombb.n et ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7690 / Virus Database: 4627/12692 - Release Date: 07/27/16 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7690 / Virus Database: 4627/12692 - Release Date: 07/27/16 _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com From jameyanne at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 16:04:21 2016 From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 12:04:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] SAT/ACT In-Reply-To: <5798d7a4.c5a2810a.be7a7.bfc2@mx.google.com> References: <5798d7a4.c5a2810a.be7a7.bfc2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <002501d1e820$8a19f710$9e4de530$@gmail.com> I never took the ACT, and I took the SAT once seven years ago, so take this with a grain of salt, but the way the difference was always described to me was that the ACT actually tests your knowledge of and understanding of the material, while the SAT tests your ability to take the SAT. Not sure how true this is, but I will say when studying for the SAT most of the emphasis in all the study materials I used was in how to take the test, how to find the answers tucked away in the passage or how to figure out which answer on the math section was right. You do have to know things like basic math and grammar, but the answer is always there and there are tricks to finding it. I don't know about the ACT, though. Jameyanne -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 11:47 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Sophie Trist Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SAT/ACT Nesma, I've taken the ACT four times and the PSAT once. The difference in the tests ir primarily in the way they're written. In the ACT, you start off with an English section, then move to a reading section, then Math, then science. The SAT switches around. It has a math, then an english, then another math. The SAT sections are shorter though. I've noticed (and this by means applies across the board) that schools in the south tend to take the ACT while those in the north and west tend to go for the SAT. A lot of schools now accept both, so you can just choose which style you prefer. I preferred the style of the ACT, because my brain didn't like switching rapidly between subjects. The main reason I took the PSAT my junior year was because if you score high enough on that test, you can potentially win a National Merit scholarship. Hope this helps. Sophie ----- Original Message ----- From: nesma aly via NABS-L wrote: They are two different tests. Some institutions use SAT and some use ACT. Loren -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of nesma aly via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 9:23 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: nesma aly Subject: [nabs-l] SAT/ACT Morning all, I was wondering what is the difference between the SAT and ACT and which one is better? Thanks, Nesma _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/theweird1%40m ediacombb.n et ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7690 / Virus Database: 4627/12692 - Release Date: 07/27/16 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7690 / Virus Database: 4627/12692 - Release Date: 07/27/16 _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com From alpineimagination at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 16:06:01 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 09:06:01 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] SAT/ACT Message-ID: <5798dc0b.c65d240a.d8faf.8ebb@mx.google.com> Hi Nesma, As a Braille user I do not recommend taking the ACT. I took both the pre ACT and the PSAT in tenth grade to see which one I liked better. The SAT had few to no errors, but the ACT layout was very confusing. The reading comprehension was strange, with lines where underlined words were supposed to be, and the diagrams were done very badly. Vejas ----- Original Message ----- From: nesma aly via NABS-L Vejas, I took the braille ACT several times, and I did not have the experience. The lines in the reading comp section are numbered so that it's easier to look up underlined words and phrases. I found this confusing initially but got the hang of it. The graphics seemed very high-quality to me, more so than many of those I used in math class. ----- Original Message ----- From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L References: <5798ddf4.05b3810a.9287e.436f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <008601d1e822$d4b0be60$7e123b20$@gmail.com> Oh I loved the graphics on the SAT! They were beautiful! I wish all graphics were like that! -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 12:14 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Sophie Trist Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SAT/ACT Vejas, I took the braille ACT several times, and I did not have the experience. The lines in the reading comp section are numbered so that it's easier to look up underlined words and phrases. I found this confusing initially but got the hang of it. The graphics seemed very high-quality to me, more so than many of those I used in math class. ----- Original Message ----- From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L Hi everyone, My university recently switched from using gmail to outlook 365 as their email platform. I'm having some trouble figuring out how to use outlook with JAWS. Has anyone had success with this? Any tips for which JAWS commands are best or settings that could make it more accessible? Danielle From munawarb at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 17:43:11 2016 From: munawarb at gmail.com (Munawar Bijani) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 13:43:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Outlook 365 and JAWS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: JAWS will work with Outlook with no special settings needed. Since Office 2016 was recently released, you will have better luck running the latest JAWS version (they've added 2016 support.) On 7/27/2016 12:54 PM, Danielle Sykora via NABS-L wrote: > Hi everyone, > > My university recently switched from using gmail to outlook 365 as > their email platform. I'm having some trouble figuring out how to use > outlook with JAWS. Has anyone had success with this? Any tips for > which JAWS commands are best or settings that could make it more > accessible? > > > Danielle > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/munawarb%40gmail.com From lilliepennington at fuse.net Wed Jul 27 17:45:16 2016 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 13:45:16 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Outlook 365 and JAWS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002101d1e82e$a2b5ad10$e8210730$@fuse.net> Hi Danielle, I'm in a similar situation. My high school used a gmail provider which was wonderful. My university uses outlook 365 and Microsoft exchange. What I have done is to put that email on my phone so that I have a backup in case something breaks. However after much more poking than it probably required I added that email to my outlook. To add a new account (I am using outlook 2013 and so this could be different based on what client you use) Hit alt f, I, then d. This should take you the screen of a new account. I would not recommend the web interface since it is a nightmare with both jaws and NVDA. Let me know if you have any questions. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle Sykora via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 12:54 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Danielle Sykora Subject: [nabs-l] Outlook 365 and JAWS Hi everyone, My university recently switched from using gmail to outlook 365 as their email platform. I'm having some trouble figuring out how to use outlook with JAWS. Has anyone had success with this? Any tips for which JAWS commands are best or settings that could make it more accessible? Danielle _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse. net From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 17:47:19 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 13:47:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Outlook 365 and JAWS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001301d1e82e$ec8d2df0$c5a789d0$@gmail.com> You should still be able to create another account in outlook to link to the 365 server. If you are using outlook, you will have two accounts, one for the gmail, and one for the 365. If you are attempting to use the outlook 365 on the web, there is a setting you have to change for it to be jaws accessible, but I can't remember what it is. I was able to get the outlook to work with some help; we just created a second account in outlook. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle Sykora via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 12:54 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Danielle Sykora Subject: [nabs-l] Outlook 365 and JAWS Hi everyone, My university recently switched from using gmail to outlook 365 as their email platform. I'm having some trouble figuring out how to use outlook with JAWS. Has anyone had success with this? Any tips for which JAWS commands are best or settings that could make it more accessible? Danielle _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 18:31:12 2016 From: jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com (Jason Polansky) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 14:31:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Need serious help regarding school issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Aimee. This is Jason from Messiah College. I would like to connect you with some blind students in Pennsylvania, one of which is looking at law schools and some others who would hopefully be able to help you. What is your e-mail address? I am seeming to have difficulty locating it. I will e-mail you off list. Take care, Jason Polansky On 7/26/16, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L wrote: > Hi guys I'm trying to find someone who has extensive experience and > knowledge on dealing with a school regarding accommodations and fair > practices. There's so much that I could tell you but I don't think I could > do it enough justice here. > > Is a short list of issues: > Notes > Note takers > Exams with complications > Remedies for the exams with complications > > Administrators withholding information regarding effects of things on your > ability to proceed in school. > > Please contact me if you have extensive understanding or experience pressing > these issues. > > Thank you very much. > > > Aimee > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jpolansky.nfb%40gmail.com > From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 19:28:47 2016 From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 15:28:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Outlook 365 and JAWS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes i have Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 27, 2016, at 12:54, Danielle Sykora via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > My university recently switched from using gmail to outlook 365 as > their email platform. I'm having some trouble figuring out how to use > outlook with JAWS. Has anyone had success with this? Any tips for > which JAWS commands are best or settings that could make it more > accessible? > > > Danielle > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nesmaaly123%40gmail.com From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 19:30:31 2016 From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 15:30:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Outlook 365 and JAWS In-Reply-To: <002101d1e82e$a2b5ad10$e8210730$@fuse.net> References: <002101d1e82e$a2b5ad10$e8210730$@fuse.net> Message-ID: I am also using Outlook 2013 with charge 16 on a windows seven operating system. Sorry ment JAWS Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 27, 2016, at 13:45, Lillie Pennington via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Danielle, > > I'm in a similar situation. My high school used a gmail provider which was > wonderful. My university uses outlook 365 and Microsoft exchange. What I > have done is to put that email on my phone so that I have a backup in case > something breaks. However after much more poking than it probably required I > added that email to my outlook. To add a new account (I am using outlook > 2013 and so this could be different based on what client you use) Hit alt f, > I, then d. This should take you the screen of a new account. > > I would not recommend the web interface since it is a nightmare with both > jaws and NVDA. > > > Let me know if you have any questions. > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle Sykora > via NABS-L > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 12:54 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Danielle Sykora > Subject: [nabs-l] Outlook 365 and JAWS > > Hi everyone, > > My university recently switched from using gmail to outlook 365 as their > email platform. I'm having some trouble figuring out how to use outlook with > JAWS. Has anyone had success with this? Any tips for which JAWS commands are > best or settings that could make it more accessible? > > > Danielle > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse. > net > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nesmaaly123%40gmail.com From logan4447 at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 19:36:22 2016 From: logan4447 at gmail.com (Logan Anderson) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 15:36:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Outlook 365 and JAWS In-Reply-To: References: <002101d1e82e$a2b5ad10$e8210730$@fuse.net> Message-ID: Hi, My university also uses outlook and office 365. I do not use jaws very often. I typically use and the DA, but have been told that the interface is more accessible with jaws. I too am wondering if there is an easier way to do it. As school has not started quite yet I use Outlook on my phone, because it is just easier and more efficient at this point. In just a few weeks I will begin school and outlook on my phone will no longer be sufficient. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 27, 2016, at 3:30 PM, nesma aly via NABS-L wrote: > > I am also using Outlook 2013 with charge 16 on a windows seven operating system. Sorry ment JAWS > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 27, 2016, at 13:45, Lillie Pennington via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hi Danielle, >> >> I'm in a similar situation. My high school used a gmail provider which was >> wonderful. My university uses outlook 365 and Microsoft exchange. What I >> have done is to put that email on my phone so that I have a backup in case >> something breaks. However after much more poking than it probably required I >> added that email to my outlook. To add a new account (I am using outlook >> 2013 and so this could be different based on what client you use) Hit alt f, >> I, then d. This should take you the screen of a new account. >> >> I would not recommend the web interface since it is a nightmare with both >> jaws and NVDA. >> >> >> Let me know if you have any questions. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle Sykora >> via NABS-L >> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 12:54 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: Danielle Sykora >> Subject: [nabs-l] Outlook 365 and JAWS >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> My university recently switched from using gmail to outlook 365 as their >> email platform. I'm having some trouble figuring out how to use outlook with >> JAWS. Has anyone had success with this? Any tips for which JAWS commands are >> best or settings that could make it more accessible? >> >> >> Danielle >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse. >> net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nesmaaly123%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/logan4447%40gmail.com From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 19:49:38 2016 From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 15:49:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Outlook 365 and JAWS In-Reply-To: References: <002101d1e82e$a2b5ad10$e8210730$@fuse.net> Message-ID: <1562de7c050.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> Why not just have your school mail forwarded to your primarily emails address. Aaron From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 20:00:39 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 16:00:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Outlook 365 and JAWS In-Reply-To: <1562de7c050.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> References: <002101d1e82e$a2b5ad10$e8210730$@fuse.net> <1562de7c050.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> Message-ID: <008101d1e841$8dae1750$a90a45f0$@gmail.com> You should be able to do that; that is what I didi. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 3:50 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Aaron Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Outlook 365 and JAWS Why not just have your school mail forwarded to your primarily emails address. Aaron _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From kaybaycar at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 20:13:06 2016 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 16:13:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Outlook 365 and JAWS In-Reply-To: <008101d1e841$8dae1750$a90a45f0$@gmail.com> References: <002101d1e82e$a2b5ad10$e8210730$@fuse.net> <1562de7c050.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> <008101d1e841$8dae1750$a90a45f0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Danielle, If you want to use Outlook 365 on the web, you will need to select the light version. This version is meant for people who have older browsers, low band width, or accessibility needs. (Can you tell? I just looked it up. :)) All that to say, it is usable and even easy at that but not the most efficient of methods for email. I would recommend making sure you're logged into Outlook on the web online. Unfortunately, selecting the light version may require sighted eyes and a mouse user, but once you have selected this version, it will remember every time. I would recommend using Microsoft Outlook primarily for your school email as that will be much quicker for attaching documents and finding contacts. I only ensured that I was plugged into Outlook online in case Outlook froze on me. I hope this helps you. Good luck with outlook!!! On 7/27/16, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: > You should be able to do that; that is what I didi. > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron via > NABS-L > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 3:50 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Aaron > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Outlook 365 and JAWS > > Why not just have your school mail forwarded to your primarily emails > address. > Aaron > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie A. McGinnity President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division, Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri "For we walk by faith, not by sight" 2 Cor. 7 From annajee82 at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 20:27:03 2016 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 14:27:03 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Outlook 365 and JAWS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2F0D0AD6-3D68-4E21-9B4F-D02192E31FD8@gmail.com> My school uses Microsoft 365. The web version works well with JAWS. The app does not work as well. Let me know if you have other specific questions. Anna E Givens > On Jul 27, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Danielle Sykora via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > My university recently switched from using gmail to outlook 365 as > their email platform. I'm having some trouble figuring out how to use > outlook with JAWS. Has anyone had success with this? Any tips for > which JAWS commands are best or settings that could make it more > accessible? > > > Danielle > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From logan4447 at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 20:58:34 2016 From: logan4447 at gmail.com (Logan Anderson) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 16:58:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Outlook 365 and JAWS In-Reply-To: <2F0D0AD6-3D68-4E21-9B4F-D02192E31FD8@gmail.com> References: <2F0D0AD6-3D68-4E21-9B4F-D02192E31FD8@gmail.com> Message-ID: In my case, and in the case of my university, the volume of mail sent to student accounts is very high because I attend a large university. It would not be practical to have it sent as a forward to my actual email address. In the case of looking for contacts it would also not be very useful, because my university is so large that I don't know all the contact info that I may need, and may have to look some of it up. Roughly 20,000 students go to my school, and there are over 180 different majors so that means that there are several different departments. I will try and look and see if the light version works better for me. Thank you for the hint. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 27, 2016, at 4:27 PM, Anna via NABS-L wrote: > > My school uses Microsoft 365. The web version works well with JAWS. The app does not work as well. > Let me know if you have other specific questions. > > Anna E Givens > > >> On Jul 27, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Danielle Sykora via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> My university recently switched from using gmail to outlook 365 as >> their email platform. I'm having some trouble figuring out how to use >> outlook with JAWS. Has anyone had success with this? Any tips for >> which JAWS commands are best or settings that could make it more >> accessible? >> >> >> Danielle >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/logan4447%40gmail.com From nabs.president at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 21:51:24 2016 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (NABS President) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 17:51:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] thumbdrive In-Reply-To: References: <000501d1dd31$7ef49830$7cddc890$@mediacombb.net><15DBB4E4-1533-4E9F-A380-BE0CF6B7D6F7@gmail.com> <010b01d1dd33$f3b26380$db172a80$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <087701d1e851$05625360$1026fa20$@gmail.com> Hey Ashley! They are still available! Please visit our homepage at nabslink.org to purchase one by filling out the form! Thank you, Kathryn -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 6:24 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Ashley Bramlett Subject: Re: [nabs-l] thumbdrive I did not know they were available still. How much does that cost and how do you get one? -----Original Message----- From: Justin Williams via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 2:25 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Justin Williams Subject: Re: [nabs-l] thumbdrive What is on the thumbdrive? Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Syed Rizvi via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 2:21 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Syed Rizvi Subject: Re: [nabs-l] thumbdrive Absolutely! And that goes for all the students,. It is a phenomenal resource. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 13, 2016, at 2:08 PM, Loren Wakefield via NABS-L wrote: > > Are there still any of the nabs thumb drives left for sale? If so, I > would be interested in one. Thanks. > > > > Loren Wakefield > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/syedrizvinfb%40gma > il.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. net _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kathrynwebster.nfb%40gma il.com From gpaikens at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 00:39:05 2016 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 20:39:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Outlook 365 and JAWS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3BF1C24E-D636-42EA-9900-1CEC6E625ABB@gmail.com> Hi Danielle, What exactly are you having trouble with? My employer uses 365 for our work email and I use Outlook 2013 desktop application to access it. JAWS works well with Outlook. Maybe pull up a list of short cut keys with Jaws+F1. The only setting I had to change was to put the calendar in daily view instead of weekly. Best, Greg > On Jul 27, 2016, at 12:54 PM, Danielle Sykora via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > My university recently switched from using gmail to outlook 365 as > their email platform. I'm having some trouble figuring out how to use > outlook with JAWS. Has anyone had success with this? Any tips for > which JAWS commands are best or settings that could make it more > accessible? > > > Danielle > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From todd.orlowski11 at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 00:41:34 2016 From: todd.orlowski11 at gmail.com (todd.orlowski11 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 19:41:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Outlook 365 and JAWS In-Reply-To: <3BF1C24E-D636-42EA-9900-1CEC6E625ABB@gmail.com> References: <3BF1C24E-D636-42EA-9900-1CEC6E625ABB@gmail.com> Message-ID: https://www.microsoft.com/enable/products/office365/ Todd Orlowski Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 27, 2016, at 7:39 PM, Greg Aikens via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Danielle, > What exactly are you having trouble with? My employer uses 365 for our work email and I use Outlook 2013 desktop application to access it. JAWS works well with Outlook. Maybe pull up a list of short cut keys with Jaws+F1. > > The only setting I had to change was to put the calendar in daily view instead of weekly. > > Best, > Greg > >> On Jul 27, 2016, at 12:54 PM, Danielle Sykora via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> My university recently switched from using gmail to outlook 365 as >> their email platform. I'm having some trouble figuring out how to use >> outlook with JAWS. Has anyone had success with this? Any tips for >> which JAWS commands are best or settings that could make it more >> accessible? >> >> >> Danielle >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/todd.orlowski11%40gmail.com From alpineimagination at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 03:33:24 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 20:33:24 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Question About the Self-Advocacy Toolkit Message-ID: <57997d27.83ec240a.49c4f.c640@mx.google.com> Hi All, I have read through the Self-Advocacy in Higher Education toolkit on nfb.org. In the toolkit, it states that a separate toolkit has been created for high-stakes testing. A link to this toolkit was provided, but when I clicked on it, it said "page not found." I also tried to Google it, but could not find the toolkit this way, either. Does anyone know where I could get access to this toolkit, or if it is still being created? Thanks, Vejas From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 07:04:33 2016 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 03:04:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Outlook 365 and JAWS In-Reply-To: References: <3BF1C24E-D636-42EA-9900-1CEC6E625ABB@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8BFF6B23-9239-4640-A376-FB6E2A52E8C6@gmail.com> Hi Danielle. This is Helga. How are you? Have you tried putting your school email on your iPhone? I use that for school! I do everything on my iPhonei n regards of attaching files, sending emails to professor and so on. I use the dropbox app to save my files adn then I attached the files by using the option of send an attachment that is located within the eddit option on the Voiceovr rotor. Hope this ehlps! If you need mor help with this,let me know! I don't use the Outlook 365, but I use the gmail version, but i put it on my IPhone since my university has steps in how to put it on the iphone. I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!! Helga Schreiber Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students. Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Skype: helga.schreiber26 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx INT Website: http://int4life.com/ "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.3 > On Jul 27, 2016, at 8:41 PM, Todd via NABS-L wrote: > > https://www.microsoft.com/enable/products/office365/ > > Todd Orlowski > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 27, 2016, at 7:39 PM, Greg Aikens via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hi Danielle, >> What exactly are you having trouble with? My employer uses 365 for our work email and I use Outlook 2013 desktop application to access it. JAWS works well with Outlook. Maybe pull up a list of short cut keys with Jaws+F1. >> >> The only setting I had to change was to put the calendar in daily view instead of weekly. >> >> Best, >> Greg >> >>> On Jul 27, 2016, at 12:54 PM, Danielle Sykora via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> My university recently switched from using gmail to outlook 365 as >>> their email platform. I'm having some trouble figuring out how to use >>> outlook with JAWS. Has anyone had success with this? Any tips for >>> which JAWS commands are best or settings that could make it more >>> accessible? >>> >>> >>> Danielle >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/todd.orlowski11%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From mausbun at unr.edu Thu Jul 28 13:53:26 2016 From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 13:53:26 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Call to action Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B012D5C29@UBOX1.unr.edu> Dear Fellow Federationists: Below is an important message. If you have twitter, please tweet now. it is time to #UploadTheRegs "As you know, for six years and counting, the Obama administration has failed to issue regulatory guidance to public entities and public accommodations covered by the Americans With Disabilities Act. We have just learned that this morning at 11 a.m. EDT, White House staff and the World Wide Web Consortium will hold a Twitter chat on web accessibility as part of the administration’s celebration of the twenty-sixth anniversary of the Americans With Disabilities Act. Questions for Senior Advisor Valerie Jarrett, Deputy Director of the Office of Science and Technology Policy Tom Kalil, and the World Wide Web Consortium can be submitted by 11 a.m. using the hash tag #ADA26. Let’s ask the administration why it has failed to #UploadTheRegs! Please take a moment to submit a tweet like the sample one below, and to monitor and participate in the Twitter chat if you can by following the #ADA26 hash tag. @vj44 @WhiteHouseOSTPRegulatory guidance is critical to promoting web #a11y. Why has this administration failed to #uploadtheregs? #ADA26 The more tweets we send, the more the White House will know of our determination to see meaningful guidance on web accessibility issued by this administration. Please forward this request to any members or friends who are on Twitter so that they too can participate. Also, don’t hesitate to let me know if you have any questions. Sincerely, Chris Danielsen." Respectfully, Michael Ausbun From nabs.president at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 14:14:06 2016 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (NABS President) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 10:14:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Call to action In-Reply-To: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B012D5C29@UBOX1.unr.edu> References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B012D5C29@UBOX1.unr.edu> Message-ID: Thank you, Michael! All, please do make sure this message is tweeted out as soon as possible! We need all of your tweets! Thank you! Kathryn Webster President, National Association of Blind Students (203) 273-8463 Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 28, 2016, at 9:53 AM, Michael D Ausbun via NABS-L wrote: > > Dear Fellow Federationists: > Below is an important message. If you have twitter, please tweet now. it is time to #UploadTheRegs > > "As you know, for six years and counting, the Obama administration has failed to issue regulatory guidance to public entities and public accommodations covered by the Americans With Disabilities Act. We have just learned that this morning at 11 a.m. EDT, White House staff and the World Wide Web Consortium will hold a Twitter chat on web accessibility as part of the administration’s celebration of the twenty-sixth anniversary of the Americans With Disabilities Act. Questions for Senior Advisor Valerie Jarrett, Deputy Director of the Office of Science and Technology Policy Tom Kalil, and the World Wide Web Consortium can be submitted by 11 a.m. using the hash tag #ADA26. Let’s ask the administration why it has failed to #UploadTheRegs! Please take a moment to submit a tweet like the sample one below, and to monitor and participate in the Twitter chat if you can by following the #ADA26 hash tag. > > @vj44 @WhiteHouseOSTPRegulatory guidance is critical to promoting web #a11y. Why has this administration failed to #uploadtheregs? #ADA26 > > The more tweets we send, the more the White House will know of our determination to see meaningful guidance on web accessibility issued by this administration. Please forward this request to any members or friends who are on Twitter so that they too can participate. Also, don’t hesitate to let me know if you have any questions. > > Sincerely, > > Chris Danielsen." > > Respectfully, > Michael Ausbun > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com From zdreicer at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 15:08:52 2016 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 09:08:52 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Urgent action! White House Twitter Chat on Web accessibility This Morning! References: Message-ID: This is happening right now. Sent from my Macbook Pro 13 > Begin forwarded message: > > From: "Danielsen, Chris via NFBNet-Members-List" > Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Urgent action! White House Twitter Chat on Web accessibility This Morning! > Date: July 28, 2016 at 07:50:40 MDT > To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org > Reply-To: "Danielsen, Chris" > > Dear Fellow Federationists: > > As you know, for six years and counting, the Obama administration has failed to issue regulatory guidance to public entities and public accommodations covered by the Americans With Disabilities Act. We have just learned that this morning at 11 a.m. EDT, White House staff and the World Wide Web Consortium will hold a Twitter chat on web accessibility as part of the administration’s celebration of the twenty-sixth anniversary of the Americans With Disabilities Act. Questions for Senior Advisor Valerie Jarrett, Deputy Director of the Office of Science and Technology Policy Tom Kalil, and the World Wide Web Consortium can be submitted by 11 a.m. using the hash tag #ADA26. Let’s ask the administration why it has failed to #UploadTheRegs! Please take a moment to submit a tweet like the sample one below, and to monitor and participate in the Twitter chat if you can by following the #ADA26 hash tag. > > @vj44 @WhiteHouseOSTPRegulatory guidance is critical to promoting web #a11y. Why has this administration failed to #uploadtheregs? #ADA26 > > The more tweets we send, the more the White House will know of our determination to see meaningful guidance on web accessibility issued by this administration. Please forward this request to any members or friends who are on Twitter so that they too can participate. Also, don't hesitate to let me know if you have any questions. > > Sincerely, > > Chris Danielsen > > Christopher S. Danielsen, J.D. > Director of Public Relations > National Federation of the Blind > 200 East Wells Street > Baltimore, MD 21230 > Office: (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 > Mobile: (410) 262-1281 > Email: cdanielsen at nfb.org > Twitter: @rlawyer and @NFB_Voice > > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. > > We are celebrating our 75th year and planning for the future we will build together! > Make your contribution to that future now. > > _______________________________________________ > NFBNet-Members-List mailing list > NFBNet-Members-List at nfbnet.org > List archives: > To unsubscribe from NFBNet-Members-List: > goto http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbnet-members-list_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com From ligne14 at verizon.net Thu Jul 28 17:42:14 2016 From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 13:42:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A question about something my rehab counselor said Message-ID: <0OB100M1MD7LZ410@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> Hi all, I'd really like to get your opinions on something that my rehab counselor said just today. I'll be starting college in September, and we were discussing the possibility of him funding me for the different bills that need to be paid per semester or year. He said something that I found really strange, although some of you may disagree with me. Even though I'm already registered for classes and have a full schedule for the semester (five classes during the week,) he suggested that maybe I should drop a fouple of them and take a reduced amount of credits, at least this first semester. His reasoning is that he thinks it might be too much for me, and apparently, other blind college students whom he has worked with have done this. Although my counselor is generally a very accommmdating man, I personally disagree with him on this. Numer one, I don't find five classes to be too much at all, because that's the average of most college students, whether blind or sighted, and number two, I have many breaks in between my classes, especially on Tuesdays and Thursdays, where I have one class in the morning and don't have another one for 6 and a half hours! I'm also a person who really enjoys learning new things, and also, I believe that this is not something that a rehab counselor should be telling their clients, although you guys can tell me what you think. This is very strange in my opinion. I hope that you guys can give me some advice as to what your opinions are on this matter. Oh, and one more thing, what would you suggest I do if I tell him that I don't want to drop anything and he keeps on insisting? I really hope you guys can help me, and have a happy end of July! :( Thanks so much, Sami From arielle71 at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 17:55:56 2016 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 13:55:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A question about something my rehab counselor said In-Reply-To: <0OB100M1MD7LZ410@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0OB100M1MD7LZ410@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Hi Sami. I received similar advice before starting college, and I ignored it. Instead, I asked my advisor for all freshmen at my university (not blind students, just freshmen in general) to give me advice, and based on her advice, I took four classes my first semester, which was still full-time (14 credits). I had a science lab and a language course, so if I hadn't had the science lab, I probably would have taken five. I did fine and after my first semester, I took five courses my second semester. I always took between 13 and 17 credits, which is a typical course load that will allow you to graduate on time. I think you should follow your gut and what you feel is right for you rather than what an outsider thinks. Remember that many students, blind and sighted alike, aren't prepared for college when they start. This is why they have trouble, not because of blindness but because they aren't prepared. Your counselor probably knows students who were unprepared. Your counselor should not have the authority to punish you if you decide not to follow his advice. In fact, from VR's point of view, it is probably easier to fund you as a full-time student than as a part-time one. Best, Arielle On 7/28/16, Sami Osborne via NABS-L wrote: > Hi all, > > I'd really like to get your opinions on something that my rehab > counselor said just today. I'll be starting college in > September, and we were discussing the possibility of him funding > me for the different bills that need to be paid per semester or > year. > > He said something that I found really strange, although some of > you may disagree with me. Even though I'm already registered for > classes and have a full schedule for the semester (five classes > during the week,) he suggested that maybe I should drop a fouple > of them and take a reduced amount of credits, at least this first > semester. His reasoning is that he thinks it might be too much > for me, and apparently, other blind college students whom he has > worked with have done this. Although my counselor is generally a > very accommmdating man, I personally disagree with him on this. > Numer one, I don't find five classes to be too much at all, > because that's the average of most college students, whether > blind or sighted, and number two, I have many breaks in between > my classes, especially on Tuesdays and Thursdays, where I have > one class in the morning and don't have another one for 6 and a > half hours! I'm also a person who really enjoys learning new > things, and also, I believe that this is not something that a > rehab counselor should be telling their clients, although you > guys can tell me what you think. This is very strange in my > opinion. > > I hope that you guys can give me some advice as to what your > opinions are on this matter. Oh, and one more thing, what would > you suggest I do if I tell him that I don't want to drop anything > and he keeps on insisting? > > I really hope you guys can help me, and have a happy end of July! > :( > > Thanks so much, > > Sami > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From alpineimagination at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 18:07:58 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 11:07:58 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] A question about something my rehab counselor said Message-ID: <579a4a22.0d52620a.77603.8bb6@mx.google.com> Hi Sami, I think that it's great that you want to take this many clastses. I start school next month and will be taking 5 classes, 4 of which are worth 4 credits, 1 of which, a leadership seminar, is 1 credit. Scheduling for these classes was a bit difficult, because the computer system, not the professor, decides full capacity for a class. With schfuling being so difficult, it is much easier to drop than add classes at my school. I can't add classes until Septemaer 2, so when I had to change a course, it had to be taken all the way to one of the administrators. In my school, dropping classes is much easier. I can drop any class the first week with reimburesment and no mark, and if I drop in the next couple of weeks there will be a W on my record that doesn't actually mean anything. I am not planning to drop, nor do I encourage you to do so. However, you should see if maybe your school has a similar system, and if your counselor gives you a hard time you can mention that, that it's easier to drop than add. Hope this helps, Vejas ----- Original Message ----- From: Sami Osborne via NABS-L References: <579a4a22.0d52620a.77603.8bb6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <001701d1e901$eead02d0$cc070870$@gmail.com> Most people at my college only took 4 classes a semester, but they were generally really intense classes. My very first semester, I took only three classes following my faculty advisor's advice. She made it clear to me that she gave this advice to all her first year advisees, because starting college is a difficult transition, and it had nothing to do with my blindness. One of my three classes was an intensive intro language course, which was worth more than the standard credits and which met every day plus additional required sessions with an assistant teacher in the evening. I took my advisors advice and took only the three academic courses. I also joined the Wind Ensemble, which also counts for credits, so I was still considered to be taking a full course load, but only having the three academic courses was really helpful for me during that transition, especially since I hadn't realized until I started college and gained a social life that I didn't know how to manage my time. And doing it like this was also really helpful for my friends (all sighted) who did it this way too. My second semester, I added an additional course to take the standard four, plus continuing with music, and I was able to do it confidently and without stress. I didn't make this decision because I'm blind and thought I couldn't handle the work because I'm blind, and I didn't even make the decision because I wanted to slack off. I have very high standards for myself; I'm one of those triple A high achiever personalities. I made the decision because I knew I would be dealing with all new things--making new friends, living far from home, extracurricular activities, etc. This worked really well for me. I probably could have handled four courses, looking back, but I didn't know that then, and starting with three let me be a little more relaxed about all these huge changes. So it's all about knowing yourself and knowing what works for you. It also depends how your college works with classes and credits and everything. I'd recommend starting with a little less than standard, if you can, while still maintaining a fulltime status. I would recommend this to anyone I knew about to start college, blind or sighted. But if you're confident that you can handle five courses and you're comfortable with how your schedule is set up, go for it. Whatever you decide, it is entirely your decision and not your VR counselor's. Hope this is helpful. Jameyanne -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 2:08 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A question about something my rehab counselor said Hi Sami, I think that it's great that you want to take this many clastses. I start school next month and will be taking 5 classes, 4 of which are worth 4 credits, 1 of which, a leadership seminar, is 1 credit. Scheduling for these classes was a bit difficult, because the computer system, not the professor, decides full capacity for a class. With schfuling being so difficult, it is much easier to drop than add classes at my school. I can't add classes until Septemaer 2, so when I had to change a course, it had to be taken all the way to one of the administrators. In my school, dropping classes is much easier. I can drop any class the first week with reimburesment and no mark, and if I drop in the next couple of weeks there will be a W on my record that doesn't actually mean anything. I am not planning to drop, nor do I encourage you to do so. However, you should see if maybe your school has a similar system, and if your counselor gives you a hard time you can mention that, that it's easier to drop than add. Hope this helps, Vejas ----- Original Message ----- From: Sami Osborne via NABS-L References: <579a4a22.0d52620a.77603.8bb6@mx.google.com> <001701d1e901$eead02d0$cc070870$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Sami, Your counsellor is probably thinking about some of the extra time you'll have to spend which sighted students don't need. For example, sourcing books in the correct format, obtaining information from lecturers when they plan things without sending them off to be scanned or Brailled. That six spare hours will disappear fast. Having said that, I agree with what has already been said; how many classes you take is entirely your own decision. Very best wishes, Sandra. On 7/28/16, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: > Most people at my college only took 4 classes a semester, but they were > generally really intense classes. My very first semester, I took only three > classes following my faculty advisor's advice. She made it clear to me that > she gave this advice to all her first year advisees, because starting > college is a difficult transition, and it had nothing to do with my > blindness. One of my three classes was an intensive intro language course, > which was worth more than the standard credits and which met every day plus > additional required sessions with an assistant teacher in the evening. I > took my advisors advice and took only the three academic courses. I also > joined the Wind Ensemble, which also counts for credits, so I was still > considered to be taking a full course load, but only having the three > academic courses was really helpful for me during that transition, > especially since I hadn't realized until I started college and gained a > social life that I didn't know how to manage my time. And doing it like > this > was also really helpful for my friends (all sighted) who did it this way > too. My second semester, I added an additional course to take the standard > four, plus continuing with music, and I was able to do it confidently and > without stress. I didn't make this decision because I'm blind and thought I > couldn't handle the work because I'm blind, and I didn't even make the > decision because I wanted to slack off. I have very high standards for > myself; I'm one of those triple A high achiever personalities. I made the > decision because I knew I would be dealing with all new things--making new > friends, living far from home, extracurricular activities, etc. > This worked really well for me. I probably could have handled four courses, > looking back, but I didn't know that then, and starting with three let me > be > a little more relaxed about all these huge changes. So it's all about > knowing yourself and knowing what works for you. It also depends how your > college works with classes and credits and everything. I'd recommend > starting with a little less than standard, if you can, while still > maintaining a fulltime status. I would recommend this to anyone I knew > about > to start college, blind or sighted. But if you're confident that you can > handle five courses and you're comfortable with how your schedule is set > up, > go for it. Whatever you decide, it is entirely your decision and not your > VR > counselor's. > Hope this is helpful. > Jameyanne > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas > Vasiliauskas via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 2:08 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A question about something my rehab counselor said > > Hi Sami, > I think that it's great that you want to take this many clastses. > I start school next month and will be taking 5 classes, 4 of > which are worth 4 credits, 1 of which, a leadership seminar, is 1 > credit. Scheduling for these classes was a bit difficult, > because the computer system, not the professor, decides full > capacity for a class. > With schfuling being so difficult, it is much easier to drop than > add classes at my school. I can't add classes until Septemaer 2, > so when I had to change a course, it had to be taken all the way > to one of the administrators. > In my school, dropping classes is much easier. I can drop any > class the first week with reimburesment and no mark, and if I > drop in the next couple of weeks there will be a W on my record > that doesn't actually mean anything. > I am not planning to drop, nor do I encourage you to do so. > However, you should see if maybe your school has a similar > system, and if your counselor gives you a hard time you can > mention that, that it's easier to drop than add. > Hope this helps, > Vejas > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sami Osborne via NABS-L To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 13:42:14 -0400 > Subject: [nabs-l] A question about something my rehab counselor > said > > Hi all, > > I'd really like to get your opinions on something that my rehab > counselor said just today. I'll be starting college in > September, and we were discussing the possibility of him funding > me for the different bills that need to be paid per semester or > year. > > He said something that I found really strange, although some of > you may disagree with me. Even though I'm already registered for > classes and have a full schedule for the semester (five classes > during the week,) he suggested that maybe I should drop a fouple > of them and take a reduced amount of credits, at least this first > semester. His reasoning is that he thinks it might be too much > for me, and apparently, other blind college students whom he has > worked with have done this. Although my counselor is generally a > very accommmdating man, I personally disagree with him on this. > Numer one, I don't find five classes to be too much at all, > because that's the average of most college students, whether > blind or sighted, and number two, I have many breaks in between > my classes, especially on Tuesdays and Thursdays, where I have > one class in the morning and don't have another one for 6 and a > half hours! I'm also a person who really enjoys learning new > things, and also, I believe that this is not something that a > rehab counselor should be telling their clients, although you > guys can tell me what you think. This is very strange in my > opinion. > > I hope that you guys can give me some advice as to what your > opinions are on this matter. Oh, and one more thing, what would > you suggest I do if I tell him that I don't want to drop anything > and he keeps on insisting? > > I really hope you guys can help me, and have a happy end of July! > :( > > Thanks so much, > > Sami > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina > tion%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gmail.com > -- Soprano Singer www.sandragayer.com Broadcast Presenter www.insightradio.co.uk/music-box.html Voiceover Artist www.archangelvoices.co.uk/content/sandra-gayer From emitchell927 at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 19:18:06 2016 From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 15:18:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A question about something my rehab counselor said In-Reply-To: <0OB100M1MD7LZ410@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0OB100M1MD7LZ410@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <366E7952-8722-4F17-BB59-9D8F2CD7C831@gmail.com> I take two every semester at my university. I would work with disabilities office and ask them what they think. Emma Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 28, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Sami Osborne via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'd really like to get your opinions on something that my rehab counselor said just today. I'll be starting college in September, and we were discussing the possibility of him funding me for the different bills that need to be paid per semester or year. > > He said something that I found really strange, although some of you may disagree with me. Even though I'm already registered for classes and have a full schedule for the semester (five classes during the week,) he suggested that maybe I should drop a fouple of them and take a reduced amount of credits, at least this first semester. His reasoning is that he thinks it might be too much for me, and apparently, other blind college students whom he has worked with have done this. Although my counselor is generally a very accommmdating man, I personally disagree with him on this. Numer one, I don't find five classes to be too much at all, because that's the average of most college students, whether blind or sighted, and number two, I have many breaks in between my classes, especially on Tuesdays and Thursdays, where I have one class in the morning and don't have another one for 6 and a half hours! I'm also a person who really enjoys learning new things, and also, I believe that this is not something that a rehab counselor should be telling their clients, although you guys can tell me what you think. This is very strange in my opinion. > > I hope that you guys can give me some advice as to what your opinions are on this matter. Oh, and one more thing, what would you suggest I do if I tell him that I don't want to drop anything and he keeps on insisting? > > I really hope you guys can help me, and have a happy end of July! :( > > Thanks so much, > > Sami > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com From emitchell927 at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 19:33:56 2016 From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 15:33:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing myself Message-ID: <72CE7A47-311B-453C-9C36-0609635103D1@gmail.com> Dear All, I am Emma Mitchell I became blind at sixteen I'm currently an English major at my university and am looking for other blind students to connect with. Sincerely, Emma Sent from my iPhone From sgermano at asu.edu Thu Jul 28 19:36:38 2016 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 14:36:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] A question about something my rehab counselor said In-Reply-To: <0OB100M1MD7LZ410@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0OB100M1MD7LZ410@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: I just finished my computer science degree. I had already finished all my general ed before returning to school so all my classes were math, computer science, and science. So for me, 4 classes was my limit and still get a 4.0. I had tons and tons of homework. My entire weekends were doing school work. If you drop below full time that will affect things like scholarships or financial aid On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 12:42 PM, Sami Osborne via NABS-L wrote: > Hi all, > > I'd really like to get your opinions on something that my rehab counselor > said just today. I'll be starting college in September, and we were > discussing the possibility of him funding me for the different bills that > need to be paid per semester or year. > > He said something that I found really strange, although some of you may > disagree with me. Even though I'm already registered for classes and have > a full schedule for the semester (five classes during the week,) he > suggested that maybe I should drop a fouple of them and take a reduced > amount of credits, at least this first semester. His reasoning is that he > thinks it might be too much for me, and apparently, other blind college > students whom he has worked with have done this. Although my counselor is > generally a very accommmdating man, I personally disagree with him on > this. Numer one, I don't find five classes to be too much at all, because > that's the average of most college students, whether blind or sighted, and > number two, I have many breaks in between my classes, especially on > Tuesdays and Thursdays, where I have one class in the morning and don't > have another one for 6 and a half hours! I'm also a person who really > enjoys learning new things, and also, I believe that this is not something > that a rehab counselor should be telling their clients, although you guys > can tell me what you think. This is very strange in my opinion. > > I hope that you guys can give me some advice as to what your opinions are > on this matter. Oh, and one more thing, what would you suggest I do if I > tell him that I don't want to drop anything and he keeps on insisting? > > I really hope you guys can help me, and have a happy end of July! :( > > Thanks so much, > > Sami > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From kcj21 at bellsouth.net Thu Jul 28 20:20:23 2016 From: kcj21 at bellsouth.net (Kaley Jemison) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 16:20:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing myself In-Reply-To: <72CE7A47-311B-453C-9C36-0609635103D1@gmail.com> References: <72CE7A47-311B-453C-9C36-0609635103D1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <37550D81-3E73-49E7-9702-B32C95C30D36@bellsouth.net> Hi Emma, my name is Kaley I'm also an English major. I go to Florida State University where I am pursuing my masters. What is your area of focus in English and what university are you attending? Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 28, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: > > > Dear All, > I am Emma Mitchell I became blind at sixteen I'm currently an English major at my university and am looking for other blind students to connect with. > Sincerely, > Emma > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth.net From emitchell927 at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 20:28:17 2016 From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 16:28:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing myself In-Reply-To: <37550D81-3E73-49E7-9702-B32C95C30D36@bellsouth.net> References: <72CE7A47-311B-453C-9C36-0609635103D1@gmail.com> <37550D81-3E73-49E7-9702-B32C95C30D36@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <7E052FFC-36B5-4EB9-8A2A-934CE316C294@gmail.com> I am an sophomore at The George Washington university and have found an interest in American literature of the nineteenth century. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 28, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Emma, my name is Kaley I'm also an English major. I go to Florida State University where I am pursuing my masters. What is your area of focus in English and what university are you attending? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 28, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: >> >> >> Dear All, >> I am Emma Mitchell I became blind at sixteen I'm currently an English major at my university and am looking for other blind students to connect with. >> Sincerely, >> Emma >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth.net > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com From jameyanne at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 22:25:58 2016 From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 18:25:58 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing myself In-Reply-To: <7E052FFC-36B5-4EB9-8A2A-934CE316C294@gmail.com> References: <72CE7A47-311B-453C-9C36-0609635103D1@gmail.com> <37550D81-3E73-49E7-9702-B32C95C30D36@bellsouth.net> <7E052FFC-36B5-4EB9-8A2A-934CE316C294@gmail.com> Message-ID: <006001d1e91f$044b0b60$0ce12220$@gmail.com> Hi Emma. Welcome to the list. I was an English major during my undergraduate. I went to Kenyon College out in Ohio. Now I'm about to start law school. Jameyanne -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Emma Mitchell via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 4:28 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Emma Mitchell Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introducing myself I am an sophomore at The George Washington university and have found an interest in American literature of the nineteenth century. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 28, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Emma, my name is Kaley I'm also an English major. I go to Florida State University where I am pursuing my masters. What is your area of focus in English and what university are you attending? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 28, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: >> >> >> Dear All, >> I am Emma Mitchell I became blind at sixteen I'm currently an English major at my university and am looking for other blind students to connect with. >> Sincerely, >> Emma >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth.net > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 23:07:11 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 19:07:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing myself In-Reply-To: <7E052FFC-36B5-4EB9-8A2A-934CE316C294@gmail.com> References: <72CE7A47-311B-453C-9C36-0609635103D1@gmail.com> <37550D81-3E73-49E7-9702-B32C95C30D36@bellsouth.net> <7E052FFC-36B5-4EB9-8A2A-934CE316C294@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00af01d1e924$c6220db0$52662910$@gmail.com> Great to have you on the list. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Emma Mitchell via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 4:28 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Emma Mitchell Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introducing myself I am an sophomore at The George Washington university and have found an interest in American literature of the nineteenth century. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 28, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Emma, my name is Kaley I'm also an English major. I go to Florida State University where I am pursuing my masters. What is your area of focus in English and what university are you attending? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 28, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: >> >> >> Dear All, >> I am Emma Mitchell I became blind at sixteen I'm currently an English major at my university and am looking for other blind students to connect with. >> Sincerely, >> Emma >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth.net > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From jfranks at nfbtx.org Thu Jul 28 23:23:28 2016 From: jfranks at nfbtx.org (Jonathan Franks) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 18:23:28 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing myself In-Reply-To: <00af01d1e924$c6220db0$52662910$@gmail.com> References: <72CE7A47-311B-453C-9C36-0609635103D1@gmail.com> <37550D81-3E73-49E7-9702-B32C95C30D36@bellsouth.net> <7E052FFC-36B5-4EB9-8A2A-934CE316C294@gmail.com> <00af01d1e924$c6220db0$52662910$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Welcome, I hope that you find this list to be a valuable resource, as it has for a vast number of students. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 28, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: > > Great to have you on the list. > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Emma Mitchell > via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 4:28 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Emma Mitchell > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introducing myself > > I am an sophomore at The George Washington university and have found an > interest in American literature of the nineteenth century. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 28, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L > wrote: >> >> Hi Emma, my name is Kaley I'm also an English major. I go to Florida State > University where I am pursuing my masters. What is your area of focus in > English and what university are you attending? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 28, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L > wrote: >>> >>> >>> Dear All, >>> I am Emma Mitchell I became blind at sixteen I'm currently an English > major at my university and am looking for other blind students to connect > with. >>> Sincerely, >>> Emma >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jfranks%40nfbtx.org From nabs.president at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 23:30:33 2016 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (NABS President) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 19:30:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Question About the Self-Advocacy Toolkit In-Reply-To: <57997d27.83ec240a.49c4f.c640@mx.google.com> References: <57997d27.83ec240a.49c4f.c640@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <0a8001d1e928$0a56f650$1f04e2f0$@gmail.com> Vejas and all: Unfortunately, I am unsure of the new higher ed toolkit, but hope you are referring to our newly published high stakes testing document. I apologize for any difficulty you are having in accessing the new high stakes testing toolkit. For your convenience, I have pasted the link below: https://nfb.org/high-stakes-testing-self-advocacy-toolkit If this is still not the case, I will be sure to address your concern to our legal team in hopes of resolving any confusion. I am glad you are reading these helpful documents, and hope you all continue to share them far and wide. Thanks, Kathryn Webster -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 11:33 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas Subject: [nabs-l] Question About the Self-Advocacy Toolkit Hi All, I have read through the Self-Advocacy in Higher Education toolkit on nfb.org. In the toolkit, it states that a separate toolkit has been created for high-stakes testing. A link to this toolkit was provided, but when I clicked on it, it said "page not found." I also tried to Google it, but could not find the toolkit this way, either. Does anyone know where I could get access to this toolkit, or if it is still being created? Thanks, Vejas _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.c om From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 23:46:36 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 19:46:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A question about something my rehab counselor said In-Reply-To: References: <0OB100M1MD7LZ410@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <00bc01d1e92a$48a8b810$d9fa2830$@gmail.com> I only took 12 my first semester, and I took anywhere between 12 and 16 per semester throughout my undergrad. He is just making a suggestion. If you think you can handle, then take 15. However, keep in mind that you want to do college at your own pace, not your counselor's or any one elses. If you need to take below 15 in some semesters, then do so. If you can take more, then do so. Let the average college student do what the average college student does. You do what you do. Start out with 15, if you have to drop one, then do so. If you can add a class, do that. Maybe you can even add a one hour fun course to learn something fun. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne Germano via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 3:37 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Suzanne Germano Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A question about something my rehab counselor said I just finished my computer science degree. I had already finished all my general ed before returning to school so all my classes were math, computer science, and science. So for me, 4 classes was my limit and still get a 4.0. I had tons and tons of homework. My entire weekends were doing school work. If you drop below full time that will affect things like scholarships or financial aid On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 12:42 PM, Sami Osborne via NABS-L wrote: > Hi all, > > I'd really like to get your opinions on something that my rehab > counselor said just today. I'll be starting college in September, and > we were discussing the possibility of him funding me for the different > bills that need to be paid per semester or year. > > He said something that I found really strange, although some of you > may disagree with me. Even though I'm already registered for classes > and have a full schedule for the semester (five classes during the > week,) he suggested that maybe I should drop a fouple of them and take > a reduced amount of credits, at least this first semester. His > reasoning is that he thinks it might be too much for me, and > apparently, other blind college students whom he has worked with have > done this. Although my counselor is generally a very accommmdating > man, I personally disagree with him on this. Numer one, I don't find > five classes to be too much at all, because that's the average of most > college students, whether blind or sighted, and number two, I have > many breaks in between my classes, especially on Tuesdays and > Thursdays, where I have one class in the morning and don't have > another one for 6 and a half hours! I'm also a person who really > enjoys learning new things, and also, I believe that this is not > something that a rehab counselor should be telling their clients, although you guys can tell me what you think. This is very strange in my opinion. > > I hope that you guys can give me some advice as to what your opinions > are on this matter. Oh, and one more thing, what would you suggest I > do if I tell him that I don't want to drop anything and he keeps on insisting? > > I really hope you guys can help me, and have a happy end of July! :( > > Thanks so much, > > Sami > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From christgirl813 at gmail.com Fri Jul 29 00:22:30 2016 From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 19:22:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] just a health tip Message-ID: I have a health accessibility tip. For anyone who's blind, I suggest exercising with Leslie Sansone's books and videos. It's an indoor walking program. The videos are quite accessible, because she explains pretty much everything. So, this is just for anyone who wants to work out and can't or who wants to add it to their workout. From discoduck221 at gmail.com Fri Jul 29 00:27:00 2016 From: discoduck221 at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 20:27:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] How To Get More Information On Listening To Sunday's Nabs Membership Call Message-ID: Hi All! As you may have seen in an earlier email, for those who can't make this Sunday's Meet The Board nabs call, we'll be streaming it live so you can listen even if you can't get to a phone. To hear more about how to tune in, at 9:00PM eastern, I'll be giving out details on my Digital Distraction show, already on now. To hear about how the stream will work, plus to hear some great tunes, tune in now at either http://onj.me/kjscradio or at http://kjscradio.com/classic/radio.php to tune in. This will be good for you to try to check these links out, as you'll need them for Sunday night's coverage too! >From David From kmaent1 at gmail.com Fri Jul 29 01:28:43 2016 From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 21:28:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A question about something my rehab counselor said Message-ID: <579ab182.1923ed0a.446c9.d1c7@mx.google.com> Hi Sami, I have attended two different schools as an undergrad, and almost know one at either of them took more than four classes a semester (many people only took two or three). This is partly because at both schools I attended most people worked, so if you don't have anything to do other than school, you might be able to take more classes. The number of credits also matters. At the school where I got my BA, nearly all classes were four credits, and you had to get special permission to take more than 16 credits, so nearly everyone took either four classes or three if they worked a lot. My other school had a lot of three credit classes, but there were four credit ones too, so most people took four classes which usually came to thirteen or fourteen credits. Keep in mind that college (at least if you have a good professor) isn't high school. You should be doing between two and three hours of homework for every hour you spend in class (more if it's a language, music, or STEM class). The time you spend on your classes will also spike around midterms, finals, and the end of the semester when papers are due. Your rehab counselor of course should not make you take a different number of classes from what you want to take, but keep in mind that all of our taxes are going to pay for your classes, so if you're going in seriously considering dropping a class and leaving us tax payers with the bill, just don't. W's by the way do mean something. They're not as bad as F's, so if you have a choice between failing and taking the W, take the W, but you don't want more than a couple on your transcript. I think the suggestion that others have made of talking to an academic advisor at your school is an excellent one. If students at your school typically take five classes in their first semester and do well, your advisor should tell you that, and you can take that information to your rehab counselor. If the advisor says that students typically don't take that many classes at all or start with fewer to get used to college, perhaps you should rethink things. HTH, Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: Sami Osborne via NABS-L References: <579ab182.1923ed0a.446c9.d1c7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I think it is very important to not bite off more than you can realistically chew, and to remember that that limit can change depending on a lot of factors including the specific courses your taking. I know, for example, that math and science courses are not my strongest academic subjects, so I've tended to cut back in semesters that had those courses in my load to allow me more time to process information that is harder for me to understand. I found classes in English, psych, and philosophy much easier, so those semesters I tended to take a slightly higher number of credits. I go to a school where many people in my department are pushed to take 16-20 credits each semester plus some courses that are required but are zero credit and graded as pass/fail, and I've found it's just super important to know what you can handle independent of what is expected of you. For example, my second semester I ended up taking 22 credits, and although I got through it with a decent GPA for the semester I was really stressed out and had very little free time. That being said, it isn't your VR counselor's job to tell you what to take or not to take. Ultimately the classes you take are your decision and the VR counselor doesn't necessarily know what you need to take to get your degree or the timeline suggested by your university for getting that done. I would just go with what your university advisor says as they've coached a lot of students and are more familiar with the expctations of your courses, and also remember that your first semester of college is a huge time of learning for you. Maybe you'll find you can handle more than 5 classes, maybe you'll find you need to take 4, and maybe you'll find that 5 is perfectly comfortable for you, but I think you should take advantage of this semester as an opportunity to figure that out for yourself like any college freshmen would. If your counselor persists you can say that you're following the guidance of your advisor, and that you realize this will be a big adjustment but you're going to go in like any freshman and learn to cope with it, making adjustments as you go. As long as you figure this out for yourself, and make use of the resources available on campus if you do find you need help in anything, you should be able to have the typical first semester experience. HTH. On 7/28/16, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L wrote: > Hi Sami, > > I have attended two different schools as an undergrad, and almost > know one at either of them took more than four classes a semester > (many people only took two or three). This is partly because at > both schools I attended most people worked, so if you don't have > anything to do other than school, you might be able to take more > classes. The number of credits also matters. At the school > where I got my BA, nearly all classes were four credits, and you > had to get special permission to take more than 16 credits, so > nearly everyone took either four classes or three if they worked > a lot. My other school had a lot of three credit classes, but > there were four credit ones too, so most people took four classes > which usually came to thirteen or fourteen credits. Keep in mind > that college (at least if you have a good professor) isn't high > school. You should be doing between two and three hours of > homework for every hour you spend in class (more if it's a > language, music, or STEM class). The time you spend on your > classes will also spike around midterms, finals, and the end of > the semester when papers are due. Your rehab counselor of course > should not make you take a different number of classes from what > you want to take, but keep in mind that all of our taxes are > going to pay for your classes, so if you're going in seriously > considering dropping a class and leaving us tax payers with the > bill, just don't. W's by the way do mean something. They're not > as bad as F's, so if you have a choice between failing and taking > the W, take the W, but you don't want more than a couple on your > transcript. I think the suggestion that others have made of > talking to an academic advisor at your school is an excellent > one. If students at your school typically take five classes in > their first semester and do well, your advisor should tell you > that, and you can take that information to your rehab counselor. > If the advisor says that students typically don't take that many > classes at all or start with fewer to get used to college, > perhaps you should rethink things. > > HTH, > Karl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sami Osborne via NABS-L To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 13:42:14 -0400 > Subject: [nabs-l] A question about something my rehab counselor > said > > Hi all, > > I'd really like to get your opinions on something that my rehab > counselor said just today. I'll be starting college in > September, and we were discussing the possibility of him funding > me for the different bills that need to be paid per semester or > year. > > He said something that I found really strange, although some of > you may disagree with me. Even though I'm already registered for > classes and have a full schedule for the semester (five classes > during the week,) he suggested that maybe I should drop a fouple > of them and take a reduced amount of credits, at least this first > semester. His reasoning is that he thinks it might be too much > for me, and apparently, other blind college students whom he has > worked with have done this. Although my counselor is generally a > very accommmdating man, I personally disagree with him on this. > Numer one, I don't find five classes to be too much at all, > because that's the average of most college students, whether > blind or sighted, and number two, I have many breaks in between > my classes, especially on Tuesdays and Thursdays, where I have > one class in the morning and don't have another one for 6 and a > half hours! I'm also a person who really enjoys learning new > things, and also, I believe that this is not something that a > rehab counselor should be telling their clients, although you > guys can tell me what you think. This is very strange in my > opinion. > > I hope that you guys can give me some advice as to what your > opinions are on this matter. Oh, and one more thing, what would > you suggest I do if I tell him that I don't want to drop anything > and he keeps on insisting? > > I really hope you guys can help me, and have a happy end of July! > :( > > Thanks so much, > > Sami > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti Shelton From logan4447 at gmail.com Fri Jul 29 02:37:33 2016 From: logan4447 at gmail.com (Logan Anderson) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 22:37:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] just a health tip In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you for the tip. ☺️ i'm always down to work out. It would be really cool I think if I could find some CrossFit videos that were accessible. Or maybe some Zumba videos. I love doing Zumba and CrossFit both. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 28, 2016, at 8:22 PM, Kayla James via NABS-L wrote: > > I have a health accessibility tip. For anyone who's blind, I suggest > exercising with Leslie Sansone's books and videos. > It's an indoor walking program. The videos are quite accessible, > because she explains pretty much everything. So, this is just for > anyone who wants to work out and can't or who wants to add it to their > workout. > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/logan4447%40gmail.com From carlymih at comcast.net Fri Jul 29 03:29:39 2016 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 20:29:39 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Slate and Stylus advice. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Evening, Sandra,, Before braille died for me, I used to use a 28-line long, 30-caracter across plastic slate from Germany. The slate had pins on the bottom although i don't know other than securing the page what significance the pins indicate. Look in other places other than the American market. Good luck! Carcell wide 03:02 AM 5/6/2016, Sandra Gayer via nabs-l wrote: >Hello Everyone, >I've been looking at the Independent Living Aids website where they >sell a range of slate and stylus products for creating Braille. I live >in Europe and they don't sell them here. I've never used one and >wanted to know people's thoughts; metal or plastic? Pins on top or >pins on the bottom and what does that even mean when using the slate? > >Very best wishes, >Sandra. > > >On 5/6/16, Kayla James via nabs-l wrote: > > Blind Mice Mart and the National Federation of the Blind carry watches > > you can purchase online. Amazon, too. If you live near a Lighthouse > > for the Blind or local NFB chapter or Council of the Blind, try them. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gmail.com > > > > >-- >Soprano Singer > www.sandragayer.com > >Broadcast Presenter > >www.insightradio.co.uk/music-box.html > >Voiceover Artist > >www.archangelvoices.co.uk/content/sandra-gayer > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Fri Jul 29 08:07:21 2016 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 04:07:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing myself In-Reply-To: <006001d1e91f$044b0b60$0ce12220$@gmail.com> References: <72CE7A47-311B-453C-9C36-0609635103D1@gmail.com> <37550D81-3E73-49E7-9702-B32C95C30D36@bellsouth.net> <7E052FFC-36B5-4EB9-8A2A-934CE316C294@gmail.com> <006001d1e91f$044b0b60$0ce12220$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Emma. This is Helga. How are you? Welcome to the list! I'm also an English major at Florida Atlantic University. I'm now in my Junior year and after I complete my Bachelor in English,and perhaps due a minor in Political Science, I will go to Law school Nice to have you here on the list! I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless! Helga Schreiber Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students. Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Skype: helga.schreiber26 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx INT Website: http://int4life.com/ "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.3 > On Jul 28, 2016, at 6:25 PM, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Emma. Welcome to the list. I was an English major during my > undergraduate. I went to Kenyon College out in Ohio. Now I'm about to start > law school. > Jameyanne > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Emma Mitchell > via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 4:28 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Emma Mitchell > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introducing myself > > I am an sophomore at The George Washington university and have found an > interest in American literature of the nineteenth century. > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Jul 28, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Hi Emma, my name is Kaley I'm also an English major. I go to Florida State > University where I am pursuing my masters. What is your area of focus in > English and what university are you attending? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 28, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L > wrote: >>> >>> >>> Dear All, >>> I am Emma Mitchell I became blind at sixteen I'm currently an English > major at my university and am looking for other blind students to connect > with. >>> Sincerely, >>> Emma >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From christgirl813 at gmail.com Fri Jul 29 11:12:03 2016 From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 06:12:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] just a health tip In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Cool. CrossFit sounds terrifyingly fun. Zumba sounds fun, too. On 7/28/16, Logan Anderson wrote: > Thank you for the tip. ☺️ i'm always down to work out. It would be really > cool I think if I could find some CrossFit videos that were accessible. Or > maybe some Zumba videos. I love doing Zumba and CrossFit both. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 28, 2016, at 8:22 PM, Kayla James via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> I have a health accessibility tip. For anyone who's blind, I suggest >> exercising with Leslie Sansone's books and videos. >> It's an indoor walking program. The videos are quite accessible, >> because she explains pretty much everything. So, this is just for >> anyone who wants to work out and can't or who wants to add it to their >> workout. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/logan4447%40gmail.com > From filerime at gmail.com Fri Jul 29 15:25:29 2016 From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 11:25:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Outlook 365 and JAWS In-Reply-To: <8BFF6B23-9239-4640-A376-FB6E2A52E8C6@gmail.com> References: <3BF1C24E-D636-42EA-9900-1CEC6E625ABB@gmail.com> <8BFF6B23-9239-4640-A376-FB6E2A52E8C6@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Danielle, I switched my outlook to light version. it is recommended for screen reader users. In order to switch you may need sighted assistance. I use it on my windows computer with internet explorer and it is quite accessible. Also I connected my Iphone and outlook account. It works just fine. If I can answer more spesific questions, please feel free to ask. 2016-07-28 3:04 GMT-04:00, Helga Schreiber via NABS-L : > Hi Danielle. This is Helga. How are you? Have you tried putting your school > email on your iPhone? I use that for school! I do everything on my iPhonei > n regards of attaching files, sending emails to professor and so on. I use > the dropbox app to save my files adn then I attached the files by using the > option of send an attachment that is located within the eddit option on the > Voiceovr rotor. Hope this ehlps! If you need mor help with this,let me > know! I don't use the Outlook 365, but I use the gmail version, but i put > it on my IPhone since my university has steps in how to put it on the > iphone. I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!! > > Helga Schreiber > > Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind > Students. > Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). > Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. > Phone: (561) 706-5950 > Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com > Skype: helga.schreiber26 > 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx > INT Website: http://int4life.com/ > > "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever > believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 > Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.3 > >> On Jul 27, 2016, at 8:41 PM, Todd via NABS-L wrote: >> >> https://www.microsoft.com/enable/products/office365/ >> >> Todd Orlowski >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 27, 2016, at 7:39 PM, Greg Aikens via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Danielle, >>> What exactly are you having trouble with? My employer uses 365 for our >>> work email and I use Outlook 2013 desktop application to access it. JAWS >>> works well with Outlook. Maybe pull up a list of short cut keys with >>> Jaws+F1. >>> >>> The only setting I had to change was to put the calendar in daily view >>> instead of weekly. >>> >>> Best, >>> Greg >>> >>>> On Jul 27, 2016, at 12:54 PM, Danielle Sykora via NABS-L >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> My university recently switched from using gmail to outlook 365 as >>>> their email platform. I'm having some trouble figuring out how to use >>>> outlook with JAWS. Has anyone had success with this? Any tips for >>>> which JAWS commands are best or settings that could make it more >>>> accessible? >>>> >>>> >>>> Danielle >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/todd.orlowski11%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com > From startrekcafe at gmail.com Sat Jul 30 12:15:45 2016 From: startrekcafe at gmail.com (Marvin Hunkin) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 21:45:45 +0930 Subject: [nabs-l] free legal copy of office 2016 pro for a blind it student and adobe cs 6 Message-ID: <003301d1ea5c$1b79c130$526d4390$@gmail.com> hi. a it blind student using the jaws for windows screen reader from http://www.freedomscientific.com, and studying a diploma of software development from http://www.upskilled.edu.au, in australia. i have microsoft office 2010 pro, legally purchased. now looking for a free upgrade to microsoft office pro 2016. where can i get it. my institution, has had major hassles getting certified from microsoft dreamspark, and partners. not an easy process, and so in the end, they gave up, and not a partner any more. so, where can i get a free legal copy of office 2016 pro, and also what about adobe cs 6.0 for students, got 5.5 student premium, but would like to upgrade free to 6.0, and is it accessible with my screen reader? also compattible with windows 10 64 bit pro. can any one let me know and e-mail me or reply to this. thanks. Marvin from Adelaide, Australia. Ps: also a free version of adobe cs, and is it accessible with jaws? From emitchell927 at gmail.com Sat Jul 30 13:33:36 2016 From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 09:33:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Book help for college Message-ID: <2EF4F526-2CD2-4FE9-A832-CB1CCB225206@gmail.com> Dear all, What do you do for school books? My university converts them for me in to a word document but in order for them to be converted the physical book has to be rented or bought. My question since physical books are inaccessible how can I save money and get the access I need? Sent from my iPhone From zdreicer at gmail.com Sat Jul 30 14:01:45 2016 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 08:01:45 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Book help for college In-Reply-To: <2EF4F526-2CD2-4FE9-A832-CB1CCB225206@gmail.com> References: <2EF4F526-2CD2-4FE9-A832-CB1CCB225206@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Emma, they just need the print edition as proof of purchase, then they will convert it for you to electronic. Sent from my Macbook Pro 13 > On Jul 30, 2016, at 07:33, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: > > Dear all, > What do you do for school books? My university converts them for me in to a word document but in order for them to be converted the physical book has to be rented or bought. My question since physical books are inaccessible how can I save money and get the access I need? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com From kmaent1 at gmail.com Sat Jul 30 15:30:10 2016 From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 11:30:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Book help for college Message-ID: <579cc83d.0435c80a.eac4e.37b2@mx.google.com> Sighted students have to buy the books, so it's really not unreasonable for you to need to buy them as well. Though as a blind person you do have access to books on Bookshare, and if you know what your books are going to be several months in advance, you can request Bookshare to produce them for you. Some books are also available as e-books through IBooks, GoogleBooks, etc., which are at least partially accessible. The only problem with e-books, and many bookshare books that were provided by publishers, is that they often are not paginated, which makes them difficult to cite. ----- Original Message ----- From: Emma Mitchell via NABS-L References: <2EF4F526-2CD2-4FE9-A832-CB1CCB225206@gmail.com> Message-ID: <381651697.8738488.1469892694923.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Emma,Here is a list of my favorite textbook resources. Since you are an English major, a lot of your literature should be public domain and easy to find.1. Bookshare Read to Go app-best resource it has almost every book I've needed2. Learning Ally-usually has the few books that Bookshare is missing3. Librivox App- audio versions of public domain books with great narrators and it's completely free4. Bard-haven't used this one much but it has a lot of books5. Kindle App-works on  my Ipad with voiceover to read ebooks6. Overdrive- using your library card you can download this app and get audio books from your local library on your phone Hope this helps,Kaley On Saturday, July 30, 2016 10:03 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L wrote: Hi Emma, they just need the print edition as proof of purchase, then they will convert it for you to electronic. Sent from my Macbook Pro 13 > On Jul 30, 2016, at 07:33, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: > > Dear all, > What do you do for school books? My university converts them for me in to a word document but in order for them to be converted the physical book has to be rented or bought. My question since physical books are inaccessible how can I save money and get the access I need? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth.net From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com Sat Jul 30 15:41:21 2016 From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 10:41:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Book help for college In-Reply-To: <579cc83d.0435c80a.eac4e.37b2@mx.google.com> References: <579cc83d.0435c80a.eac4e.37b2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I agree, although some books are available on book share, you should have to buy the books that are not available. Cited students have to buy them no matter matter what, so you should consider yourself lucky if your book is available on book share. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 30, 2016, at 10:30 AM, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L wrote: > > Sighted students have to buy the books, so it's really not unreasonable for you to need to buy them as well. Though as a blind person you do have access to books on Bookshare, and if you know what your books are going to be several months in advance, you can request Bookshare to produce them for you. Some books are also available as e-books through IBooks, GoogleBooks, etc., which are at least partially accessible. The only problem with e-books, and many bookshare books that were provided by publishers, is that they often are not paginated, which makes them difficult to cite. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Emma Mitchell via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 09:33:36 -0400 > Subject: [nabs-l] Book help for college > > Dear all, > What do you do for school books? My university converts them for me in to a word document but in order for them to be converted the physical book has to be rented or bought. My question since physical books are inaccessible how can I save money and get the access I need? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Sat Jul 30 15:52:47 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 08:52:47 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Book help for college In-Reply-To: References: <579cc83d.0435c80a.eac4e.37b2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: In addition to this, the Department of Vocational Rehab will cover the cost of at least some books, and there are certain scholarships that will do the same. If you're not yet connected with the DOR, I suggest working on that ASAP; their policies may be a tad strange at times, but they have tons of helpful resources. The DOR is not available to most sighted students, and that in conjunction with the many resources available to only blind people makes us very lucky indeed ... After all, someone has to pay for the books to be put online, someone has to pay for them to get transcribed, etc. Even under the odd circumstance that you do have to pay for some of your books personally, it's good practice ... And it's virtually guaranteed that your personal textbook costs will be at a bare minimum in comparison to most (if not all) of your sighted peers. Hope this helps! Best, Cricket Bidleman On 7/30/16, Angela via NABS-L wrote: > I agree, although some books are available on book share, you should have to > buy the books that are not available. Cited students have to buy them no > matter matter what, so you should consider yourself lucky if your book is > available on book share. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 30, 2016, at 10:30 AM, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Sighted students have to buy the books, so it's really not unreasonable >> for you to need to buy them as well. Though as a blind person you do have >> access to books on Bookshare, and if you know what your books are going to >> be several months in advance, you can request Bookshare to produce them >> for you. Some books are also available as e-books through IBooks, >> GoogleBooks, etc., which are at least partially accessible. The only >> problem with e-books, and many bookshare books that were provided by >> publishers, is that they often are not paginated, which makes them >> difficult to cite. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Emma Mitchell via NABS-L > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 09:33:36 -0400 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Book help for college >> >> Dear all, >> What do you do for school books? My university converts them for me in to >> a word document but in order for them to be converted the physical book >> has to be rented or bought. My question since physical books are >> inaccessible how can I save money and get the access I need? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma >> il.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com Sat Jul 30 16:00:22 2016 From: rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com (andrew edgcumbe) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 12:00:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] canadians on list Message-ID: Hi all I just was wondering if there are canadians on this list just wondering that is all for interest sake. From emitchell927 at gmail.com Sat Jul 30 16:37:59 2016 From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 12:37:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Book help for college In-Reply-To: References: <579cc83d.0435c80a.eac4e.37b2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <77B5131C-5185-49EF-9C24-93A19C4CC657@gmail.com> What is DOR? Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 30, 2016, at 11:52 AM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: > > In addition to this, the Department of Vocational Rehab will cover the > cost of at least some books, and there are certain scholarships that > will do the same. If you're not yet connected with the DOR, I suggest > working on that ASAP; their policies may be a tad strange at times, > but they have tons of helpful resources. The DOR is not available to > most sighted students, and that in conjunction with the many resources > available to only blind people makes us very lucky indeed ... After > all, someone has to pay for the books to be put online, someone has to > pay for them to get transcribed, etc. Even under the odd circumstance > that you do have to pay for some of your books personally, it's good > practice ... And it's virtually guaranteed that your personal textbook > costs will be at a bare minimum in comparison to most (if not all) of > your sighted peers. Hope this helps! > > Best, > Cricket Bidleman > >> On 7/30/16, Angela via NABS-L wrote: >> I agree, although some books are available on book share, you should have to >> buy the books that are not available. Cited students have to buy them no >> matter matter what, so you should consider yourself lucky if your book is >> available on book share. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 30, 2016, at 10:30 AM, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> Sighted students have to buy the books, so it's really not unreasonable >>> for you to need to buy them as well. Though as a blind person you do have >>> access to books on Bookshare, and if you know what your books are going to >>> be several months in advance, you can request Bookshare to produce them >>> for you. Some books are also available as e-books through IBooks, >>> GoogleBooks, etc., which are at least partially accessible. The only >>> problem with e-books, and many bookshare books that were provided by >>> publishers, is that they often are not paginated, which makes them >>> difficult to cite. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Emma Mitchell via NABS-L >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 09:33:36 -0400 >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Book help for college >>> >>> Dear all, >>> What do you do for school books? My university converts them for me in to >>> a word document but in order for them to be converted the physical book >>> has to be rented or bought. My question since physical books are >>> inaccessible how can I save money and get the access I need? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma >>> il.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com From todd.orlowski11 at gmail.com Sat Jul 30 16:47:48 2016 From: todd.orlowski11 at gmail.com (Todd Orlowski) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 11:47:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Book help for college In-Reply-To: <579cc83d.0435c80a.eac4e.37b2@mx.google.com> References: <579cc83d.0435c80a.eac4e.37b2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: It's per copyright law you have to have the physical book On Jul 30, 2016 10:32, "Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L" wrote: > Sighted students have to buy the books, so it's really not unreasonable > for you to need to buy them as well. Though as a blind person you do have > access to books on Bookshare, and if you know what your books are going to > be several months in advance, you can request Bookshare to produce them for > you. Some books are also available as e-books through IBooks, GoogleBooks, > etc., which are at least partially accessible. The only problem with > e-books, and many bookshare books that were provided by publishers, is that > they often are not paginated, which makes them difficult to cite. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Emma Mitchell via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 09:33:36 -0400 > Subject: [nabs-l] Book help for college > > Dear all, > What do you do for school books? My university converts them for me in to > a word document but in order for them to be converted the physical book has > to be rented or bought. My question since physical books are inaccessible > how can I save money and get the access I need? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/todd.orlowski11%40gmail.com > From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Sat Jul 30 17:02:14 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 10:02:14 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Book help for college In-Reply-To: References: <579cc83d.0435c80a.eac4e.37b2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: DOR is the Department of Vocational Rehabilitation. Basically, they help you get a job. They will provide partial funding for college, including courses and course materials. They will provide technology if you need it, vocational training, orientation and mobility training, etc. On 7/30/16, Todd Orlowski via NABS-L wrote: > It's per copyright law you have to have the physical book > > On Jul 30, 2016 10:32, "Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L" > wrote: > >> Sighted students have to buy the books, so it's really not unreasonable >> for you to need to buy them as well. Though as a blind person you do >> have >> access to books on Bookshare, and if you know what your books are going >> to >> be several months in advance, you can request Bookshare to produce them >> for >> you. Some books are also available as e-books through IBooks, >> GoogleBooks, >> etc., which are at least partially accessible. The only problem with >> e-books, and many bookshare books that were provided by publishers, is >> that >> they often are not paginated, which makes them difficult to cite. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Emma Mitchell via NABS-L > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 09:33:36 -0400 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Book help for college >> >> Dear all, >> What do you do for school books? My university converts them for me in to >> a word document but in order for them to be converted the physical book >> has >> to be rented or bought. My question since physical books are inaccessible >> how can I save money and get the access I need? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma >> il.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/todd.orlowski11%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From todd.orlowski11 at gmail.com Sat Jul 30 17:04:06 2016 From: todd.orlowski11 at gmail.com (Todd Orlowski) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 12:04:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Book help for college In-Reply-To: References: <579cc83d.0435c80a.eac4e.37b2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: You can also rent you books from chegg.com On Jul 30, 2016 11:47, "Todd Orlowski" wrote: > It's per copyright law you have to have the physical book > > On Jul 30, 2016 10:32, "Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L" > wrote: > >> Sighted students have to buy the books, so it's really not unreasonable >> for you to need to buy them as well. Though as a blind person you do have >> access to books on Bookshare, and if you know what your books are going to >> be several months in advance, you can request Bookshare to produce them for >> you. Some books are also available as e-books through IBooks, GoogleBooks, >> etc., which are at least partially accessible. The only problem with >> e-books, and many bookshare books that were provided by publishers, is that >> they often are not paginated, which makes them difficult to cite. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Emma Mitchell via NABS-L > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list < >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Date sent: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 09:33:36 -0400 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Book help for college >> >> Dear all, >> What do you do for school books? My university converts them for me in to >> a word document but in order for them to be converted the physical book has >> to be rented or bought. My question since physical books are inaccessible >> how can I save money and get the access I need? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma >> il.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/todd.orlowski11%40gmail.com >> > From kmaent1 at gmail.com Sat Jul 30 18:52:40 2016 From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 14:52:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Book help for college Message-ID: <579cf7b5.9d3bed0a.fbd65.5670@mx.google.com> This varies by state. Each state has a different acronym for their rehab agency, and what the rehab agency covers also depends on which state you are in. ----- Original Message ----- From: Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: It's per copyright law you have to have the physical book On Jul 30, 2016 10:32, "Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L" References: <579cf7b5.9d3bed0a.fbd65.5670@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <3BF20BAD-E6DB-4E83-8DA1-8A711304827D@gmail.com> That is completely correct. For example, my state will not help me until I obtain either a GED or a high school diploma. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 30, 2016, at 1:52 PM, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L wrote: > > This varies by state. Each state has a different acronym for their rehab agency, and what the rehab agency covers also depends on which state you are in. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 10:02:14 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Book help for college > > DOR is the Department of Vocational Rehabilitation. Basically, they > help you get a job. They will provide partial funding for college, > including courses and course materials. They will provide technology > if you need it, vocational training, orientation and mobility > training, etc. > > On 7/30/16, Todd Orlowski via NABS-L wrote: > It's per copyright law you have to have the physical book > > On Jul 30, 2016 10:32, "Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L" wrote: > > Sighted students have to buy the books, so it's really not unreasonable > for you to need to buy them as well. Though as a blind person you do > have > access to books on Bookshare, and if you know what your books are going > to > be several months in advance, you can request Bookshare to produce them > for > you. Some books are also available as e-books through IBooks, > GoogleBooks, > etc., which are at least partially accessible. The only problem with > e-books, and many bookshare books that were provided by publishers, is > that > they often are not paginated, which makes them difficult to cite. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Emma Mitchell via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 09:33:36 -0400 > Subject: [nabs-l] Book help for college > > Dear all, > What do you do for school books? My university converts them for me in to > a word document but in order for them to be converted the physical book > has > to be rented or bought. My question since physical books are inaccessible > how can I save money and get the access I need? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/todd.orlowski > 11%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidlem > an%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com From chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com Sat Jul 30 21:31:31 2016 From: chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com (chelsea peahl) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 21:31:31 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS list guidelines Message-ID: Hello fellow NABSters, With the start of the month just around the corner, it is time again to send out the list rules and guidelines: 1. Keep all messages sent out appropriate to all ages. This list serves all ages including high school students. 2. No foul language. 3. Please avoid one-lined responses and telling people that you will email off list. This causes unnecessary clutter on our busy email line. 4. When a moderator asks a thread to stop, it needs to stop. This isn't trying to be rude, but this is to try and keep things appropriate on the list and keeps others from getting hurt. 5. Please be respectful to everyone and their opinions! By following the rules, this will cut down on the traffic through our list and will keep everyone happy! Thanks! Chelsea Peahl From gpaikens at gmail.com Sat Jul 30 23:23:16 2016 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 19:23:16 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Book help for college In-Reply-To: <2EF4F526-2CD2-4FE9-A832-CB1CCB225206@gmail.com> References: <2EF4F526-2CD2-4FE9-A832-CB1CCB225206@gmail.com> Message-ID: <88CEA485-188D-4DCC-94C6-3088F6B347C5@gmail.com> I highly recommend Learning Ally and bookshare, like others have suggested. If you do have to purchase a physical copy, by your textbooks used, from your campus bookstore or from Amazon. That should help you save some cash. As long as they aren’t using your copy to produce the digital version, this should work fine. Best, Greg > On Jul 30, 2016, at 9:33 AM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: > > Dear all, > What do you do for school books? My university converts them for me in to a word document but in order for them to be converted the physical book has to be rented or bought. My question since physical books are inaccessible how can I save money and get the access I need? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com Sun Jul 31 00:14:50 2016 From: chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com (chelsea peahl) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 00:14:50 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Book help for college In-Reply-To: <88CEA485-188D-4DCC-94C6-3088F6B347C5@gmail.com> References: <2EF4F526-2CD2-4FE9-A832-CB1CCB225206@gmail.com>, <88CEA485-188D-4DCC-94C6-3088F6B347C5@gmail.com> Message-ID: We in the disability services dept need you to have proof of purchase for copyright issues. Chelsea Peahl > On Jul 30, 2016, at 5:24 PM, Greg Aikens via NABS-L wrote: > > I highly recommend Learning Ally and bookshare, like others have suggested. If you do have to purchase a physical copy, by your textbooks used, from your campus bookstore or from Amazon. That should help you save some cash. As long as they aren’t using your copy to produce the digital version, this should work fine. > > Best, > Greg > >> On Jul 30, 2016, at 9:33 AM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Dear all, >> What do you do for school books? My university converts them for me in to a word document but in order for them to be converted the physical book has to be rented or bought. My question since physical books are inaccessible how can I save money and get the access I need? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelsea.peahl%40hotmail.com From emitchell927 at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 00:17:10 2016 From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 20:17:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Book help for college In-Reply-To: References: <2EF4F526-2CD2-4FE9-A832-CB1CCB225206@gmail.com> <88CEA485-188D-4DCC-94C6-3088F6B347C5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <72087151-1174-44A3-AB37-99EE9A4CFFA6@gmail.com> Thank you everyone for your help. Thank You, Emma > On Jul 30, 2016, at 8:14 PM, chelsea peahl via NABS-L wrote: > > We in the disability services dept need you to have proof of purchase for copyright issues. > > Chelsea Peahl > >> On Jul 30, 2016, at 5:24 PM, Greg Aikens via NABS-L wrote: >> >> I highly recommend Learning Ally and bookshare, like others have suggested. If you do have to purchase a physical copy, by your textbooks used, from your campus bookstore or from Amazon. That should help you save some cash. As long as they aren’t using your copy to produce the digital version, this should work fine. >> >> Best, >> Greg >> >>> On Jul 30, 2016, at 9:33 AM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> Dear all, >>> What do you do for school books? My university converts them for me in to a word document but in order for them to be converted the physical book has to be rented or bought. My question since physical books are inaccessible how can I save money and get the access I need? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelsea.peahl%40hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com From nabs.president at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 03:05:01 2016 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (NABS President) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 23:05:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Read our July, 2016 NABS Notes Message-ID: <0afe01d1ead8$549f0c00$fddd2400$@gmail.com> Hey NABS, Please join me in reading what you’ve all been waiting for: the July NABS Notes! Thanks to Bre Brown and Syed Rizvi for helping compile this month’s bulletin. Pasted below, attached, and with the online link provided, you can choose how you’d like to best read the happenings of National Federation of the Blind, our national student division, NABS and our state divisions! Let me know if you have any questions; and we look forward to hearing you on tomorrow’s Meet the Board call at 7pm! http://nabslink.org/content/nabs-notes-july-2016 NABS Notes July 2016 The National Association of Blind Students - A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind. In this edition of the NABS monthly bulletin: 1. National Convention in A Nutshell 2. July Membership Call: Meet the NABS Board 3. NABS Flash Drives: Student Success Toolkits 4. Announcement from Our National Legal Team 5. Join A NABS Committee 6. Adult Rehabilitation and Employment Survey 7. Monthly Blog Post 8. State Updates 9. July NABS Board Meeting Minutes National Convention in a Nutshell The 2016 National convention was a huge success! Our Membership Committee coordinated our annual Mentor Program with a great turnout and several events with a diverse group of students. Our Fundraising Committee raised over $4,200 through the sales of snackpacks, bottled water, soda, raffle tickets, and flash drives. We also held our annual Penny Wars fundraiser and hosted an energetic Monte Carlo Night, as we do at each national convention. The National Association of Blind Students would not have come out so strong without the help of our volunteers, card dealers, marshallers, and overwhelming support. This year was particularly bitter sweet with our immediate past President Sean Whalen and immediate past 1st Vice President Candice Chapman bidding NABS farewell after years of talent, leadership, and unequivocal effort. We know that both Sean and Candice will always be here for guidance, suggestions, and problem solving; and now, we are more than confident to follow in their footsteps with great new leaders on board. Congratulations to our newly elected officers and board members: President, Kathryn Webster 1st Vice President, Bre Brown 2nd Vice President, Syed Rizvi Treasurer, Luke Schwinck Secretary, Michael Ausbun Board Member 1, Vee Gaspa Board Member 2, Tarik Williams Board Member 3, Chris Nusbaum Board Member 4, Bryan Duarte The National Association of Blind Students has hit the ground running with high hopes for blind students across America. Thank you President Whalen, Vice President Chapman, and Board Member Garret Mooney for your devotion to blind students. I would not be here today without your mentorship, belief in me, ability to challenge ideas, and sincere friendship. We are eager to make each of you proud in the coming year! With national convention three weeks behind us, we are energized more than ever to plan for our division’s 50th anniversary in 2017 and transform our dreams into reality. We are the students of today, yet the leaders of tomorrow. Thank you; and we will see you in January at Washington Seminar. Kathryn Webster President July Membership Call: Meet the NABS Board The 2016 NABS Board is eager to host our first membership call as newly elected leaders! When: Sunday, July 31, 2016 Time: 7pm eastern daylight time Where: Conference call line: 605-475-6700 Access code: 7869673 Details: We invite you to join us for our Meet the Board call at 7:00 pm eastern. During this call, the NABS Board will have the opportunity to introduce themselves. We will discuss our various committees and ambitious plans for the upcoming year. Bring your questions, suggestions, and ideas! Come dream big with us! NABS Flash Drives: Students Success Toolkits These flash drives were made for you: fellow students, parents, and curious learners! For just $10, our 4 gb Flash drives contain the following software, Tutorials, resources, Templates, and information To ensure you are successful. * Software: including NVDA * Tutorials: including Excel, Outlook, and more! * Templates: including sample cover letters, resumes, professionalism preparation documents, etc. * Additional Resources: including NFB literature, an LSAT practice test, the NFB Self-Advocacy Toolkit, and personal testimonies from our NFB training centers * Health/Fitness documents To order your very own drive, visit: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0FJAEhElmWp_Smg2zM8DTRT9Sqmg1bhVv GEy_2pxZODSUBg/viewform?c=0&w=1 We accept PayPal, Venmo, and checks. Direct any questions to Luke Schwinck (luke.schwinck at hotmail.com) or Kathryn Webster (nabs.president at gmail.com) Announcement from Our National Legal Team Our National Federation of the Blind Legal team has been fast at work preparing resources for blind students, parents, teachers, and higher education administrators. If you’ve read the first version of the Self-Advocacy Toolkit, we now have a new edition with a plethora of additional resources and answers for you. * Self-Advocacy in Higher Education Toolkit Version 2.0: https://nfb.org/self-advocacy-higher-education * High-Stakes Testing Self-Advocacy Toolkit: https://nfb.org/high-stakes-testing-self-advocacy-toolkit * Higher Education Accessibility Online Resource Center https://nfb.org/higher-education-accessibility-online-resource-center Join A NABS Committee Three committees have been established, and we need your help for them to be successful! Please reach out to the NABS committee chairs or co-chairs to get involved. Fundraising Committee Chair: Luke Schwinck ( luke.schwinck at hotmail.com) Co-Chair: Syed Rizvi ( syedrizvinfb at gmail.com) and Tarik Williams ( williams.tarik20 at gmail.com) Description: The most important part of any movement is funding that movement. Therefore, the Fundraising Committee of the National Association of Blind Students, a proud division of the National Federation of the Blind, is paramount to effecting positive change for blind students in our nation. This is illustrated by the majority of the NABS Board, beginning with their involvement on the Fundraising Committee. We are seeking passionate, creative, and hardworking students from all corners of the country to learn, and lead alongside President Kathryn Webster and the NABS board. Our vision for this year is to engage in a variety of ventures from grant writing to hosting local and national fundraising events, and everything in between. The majority of our committee’s work is creating, planning, and implementing events such as Monte Carlo Night at national convention and NABS Café at Washington Seminar, as well as making fundraising merchandise decisions. We are anxious to share with you our experience, and knowledge with the sincere hope that you will return the favor. This year on the fundraising committee you can expect to work hard and have a great time doing it! Legislative Committee Chair: Michael Ausbun ( mausbun at nevada.unr.edu) Co-Chair: Vee Gaspa ( veegaspa at gmail.com) Description: Have you ever found yourself in a class where the materials were inaccessible? Have you ever thought legislation, the political process, or advocating for equality, opportunity, and security for blind students is important? We need your help! The Legislative committee of the National Association of Blind Students is looking for volunteers! We work closely with the Governmental Affairs team at the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute, in order to facilitate the dialogue which leads to the development of equitable policy. We will be focusing on our national agendas from a student’s lens, and need your help doing so! Membership/Communications Committee: Chair: Bre Brown (bre.brown24 at gmail.com) Co-Chairs: Bryan Duarte ( bjduarte at asu.edu) and Chris Nusbaum ( dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com) Description: Are you interested in communicating with our membership, and facilitating personal and professional development? How about insuring students have access to resources to help them be successful? Join us! The Membership/Communications Committee of the National Association of Blind Students is looking for volunteers! Tasks include, though are not limited to, planning and participating in membership calls, writing and gathering blog posts, generating resources for student toolkits, development of regional student programs, and membership outreach. This is a newly formed committee, so it’s got a lot of reach to get your feet wet in something new and fun! Adult Rehabilitation and Employment Survey If you are blind or visually impaired, reside in the United States, and are at least 18 years of age, we cordially invite you to participate in this survey. The purpose of this survey is to gain a better understanding of your experiences as an adult who is blind or visually impaired, including your experiences with education, employment, training, and vocational rehabilitation. If you complete this survey, you will be entered into a drawing in which 5 individuals will win a $100 VISA gift card. We offer you three ways to complete the survey: 1. Go to: www.pdrib.com/ares 2. You may Email: pdrib2016 at gmail.com 3. You may call: (318) 257-2029 Questions or concerns about this survey may be directed to: Edward Bell, Principal Investigator, Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness, (318) 257-4554 ebell at latech.edu Monthly NABS Blog This month, NABS is proud to share a myriad of reflections experienced from our national scholarship winners during the 2016 National Federation of the Blind National Convention. Each year, 30 finalists are selected to attend our National Convention, be matched with mentors each day, and gain some financial gain toward the pursuit of higher education. If you are hooked immediately, or interested in learning more, please visit our scholarship page at www.nfb.org/scholarships Please join us in reading some personal stories from our new and seasoned Federationists as we marvel over their accomplishments! http://nabslink.org/content/scholarship-spotlight-part-1-meet-some-our-2016- scholarship-class State updates Disclaimer: All updates are not edited, revised, or altered by the NABS Board; instead pasted directly from the state student leader. Colorado: What an incredible time we had at this year's National Convention! Colorado had many students in attendance this year. We sold 5 hour energy shots and will continue to sell them. CABS donated soda and helped out at one of our local chapter's picnic this month. We are currently working on putting together materials for high school students in Colorado in order to help them better prepare for college. On that same note, we are planning to work with the local chapter of AER to reach out to rehab professionals and TVI's. We will be holding a seminar for teachers of blind students to help them understand what their students will be facing in college. We are also planning a dinner in September to reach out to students. There's been talk about one on one mentoring and a possible science seminar in the future as well! CABS continues to work with the Colorado Center for the Blind (CCB) and the Colorado School for the Deaf and Blind in mentoring programs and events throughout the year. Stay tuned for more! Connecticut: The Connecticut Association of Blind Students is gearing up for our 45th Connecticut State Convention that will be held from November 4-6 in Shelton, CT. Congratulations to our CTABS Treasurer, Kathryn Webster, for being elected President of the National Association of Blind Students. We are ready to continue building our student division and developing new leaders. We were excited to have two Connecticut students awarded national scholarships during the 2016 national Convention. The CT students will be working hard on recruiting for our state scholarship program, as well as legislative matters as we prepare for Washington Seminar. Hawaii: The Hawaii student division is proud to announce that we will be presenting a charter for our organization at this year’s State Convention. We have been diligently working on the structure, formality, and leadership of our group. As we work closely alongside our affiliate leadership, the Hawaii students are excited to kick off the coming academic year with a great deal of effort. As of October 1, 2016, HIABS will officially be chartered as a formal division within the Hawaii Affiliate. There, we will hold elections, host a 2-hour breakout session, and plan for the upcoming year. We are eager to get involved on both the state and national level to improve the lives of all blind students. Massachusetts: The Massachusetts Association of Blind Students had a very successful month in June and at the end of the semester. Massachusetts had for national scholarship winners at National Convention this year, as well as two Jernigan Fund Award recipients. We had nine students attend the National Convention in total. MASSABS is looking forward to the fall semester and toward more growth in our division this year. Maryland: The Maryland Association of Blind Students is excited to report that this year's national convention was the most successful one in our history! For the first time in many years, MDABS raised some funds of our own during national convention by selling Old Bay seasoning, the unique and delicious Maryland staple which has become famous for adding a little spice to our crabs. Thanks to the hard work of our Board members, led by ever-energetic fundraising chair Erin Daring, we raised a total of $285 during the week, setting a new fundraising record for us! We were also happy to have two first-time convention attendees among our membership, both of whom loved their convention experience and came away from it recommitted to the work of the Federation. As we prepare to return to school, we're also beginning to make plans for our 50th annual state convention, to be held October 28-30 in downtown Baltimore. We're confident that the events we plan this year will be our best yet, and will be worthy of our affiliate's golden anniversary celebration. Stay tuned for updates! Oklahoma: We are happy to report that much has happened. During the seminar day of Oklahoma’s state convention on March 31, 2016, the Oklahoma student division held its first student seminar. During the student seminar we learned about accessibility technology for students, advocating in higher education, adults training centers, and entering the force as a young blind adult. We discussed several useful resources to students including study aid apps, sources for accessible textbooks, and accessible technology lending programs to the blind. Later in the day we learned some useful blindness skills and performed some confidence building exercises together. Overall, we had a great student’s seminar. This year we tried out a new fundraising idea that we borrowed from the Texas Association of Blind Students and it was a great success. For those of you at convention you know what I am talking about but for the rest of you I will give some more details. This year we sold raffle tickets for comfortable seating for two individuals during general sessions. We were able to receive two very comfortable chairs and provide snacks and water severs complementary with the seats. Because who doesn’t want to be comfortable and pampered during general session. With this fundraiser we were able to raise $160.00. The fundraiser was so popular we will be bringing it back this coming year. During state convention the student division always has its annual business meeting. We were able to grow are student division this year. The student division board is as followed. Cammie Loehr reelected as president, Rex Schuttler elected vice president, Cathy Tuton elected as secretary, Callie Chappell reelected as treasurer, and Yoshi elected as board member. Meeting were decided to be held the first Tuesday of every month at 7:00pm via conference line. Virginia: The Virginia Association of Blind Students has seen a resurgence in the past few months in terms of fundraising and marketing strategies. Once a division of our affiliate that was shrouded in mystery, VABS has hit the ground running in fundraising with our shot glass fundraiser at National Convention. The event allowed VABS to add a few hundred dollars to our budget and put us in place for future fundraising possibilities. Future plans for the division includes our breakfast social fundraiser on August 6th at our State Board Meeting, our procurement of an exhibit hall table for our state convention, our “Dance Party” themed social at our state convention in Virginia Beach, and our planned 50/50 raffle at the same event. Also, our plans for outreach and marketing are well underway with collaborative efforts on different events during “Meet the Blind” month that includes Richmond’s “Walk with the Blind,” Fredericksburg’s “Paddle with the Blind,” and Chesapeake Bay’s “Bowl with the Blind.” All of these events will have the attendance, cosponsor ship, or advertisement of the Virginia Association of Blind Students. July NABS Board Meeting Minutes July, 2016 Meeting called to order at: 9:05 P.M. Members Present: Kathryn Webster (President) Bre Brown (1st Vice President) Luke Schwinck (Treasurer) Michael Ausbun (Secretary) Vee Gaspa (Board Member 1) Tarik Williams (Board Member 2) Chris Nusbaum (Board member 3) Bryan Duarte (Board Member 4) Treasurer’s Report: Checking account balance: 7752.65 - Four donations o $500.00 white cane o $350.00 Sun fund o $750.00 Jernigan fund o $15.00 per month to PAC every month; 180 a year - Reimbursements o $115.00 convention supplies o $24.76 Uber ride o $90.00 two banquet tickets - Total revenue: 4124.09 o $870.00 Monte Carlo o $1145.00 registration o $1646.87 exhibit hall o $462.22 Penny wars Committee Reports Fundraising: - Goals o Raise $10,000-$15,00 o Continue writing Grants, fundraising traditions, and new fundraising programs. o Facilitating communication with Greek life on campuses o Diversification of geographic representation on the committee. Legislative: - Goals o Collect at least 15 letters from each state o Have representation on the committee from all 52 affiliates o Try to get at least one letter of support from institutions in each state o Continue frequent and effective communication with our Government Affairs Team (Gabe Cazares, Parnell Diggs, John Pare, ETC.) Membership/Communications: - Goals o Working on the dear student initiative o A guide for Student presidents o Redevelopment and maintenance of the Student resource section of the website o Maintain the scholarship page on the website o Update Facebook/increased promotion o More state student division presence on social media Old Business: The national Convention was a smashing success. Thanks to the new and old board for stepping up and taking responsibility. Discussion of modifications to increase the experience for all students at student division events will come at a later date. New Business: - Behavior o Conference etiquette: * If you are not talking, please mute yourself. * Call for the floor by stating your name * If you are disconnected, simply call back in. Please be mindful that we will still be discussing things, so rejoin respectfully. - Social media o Behavior * It is important to note that you need to remain professional; you are a mentor and role model and a leader. o Remember to share social media posts; friend NABS on Facebook and twitter. o Make sure you join the student list serves. - The structure of meetings o The meeting will start on time. “Early is on time, on time is late.” o The general order is: Roll call; treasurers report; state updates/communication; old business; new business; comments - Committees o Fundraising Schwinck, Duarte, and Rizvi o Legislative Ausbun and Gaspa o Membership/Communication Brown, Williams, and Nusbaum - Positional Responsibilities o Treasurer: * Providing the National Office with bank statements, reimbursements, and all other relevant documentation. o Secretary * Taking notes and having them to everyone within 48 hours o Williams * Delivering the NABS Notes consistently. o Websites * President Webster and Duarte will make sure that website information is up to date, consistent, and well organized. - Short term long term email by July 20 o Overview of long term and short term action plan - State liaison program o You have a group of six or seven states assigned to you o Accountability: stay in touch with your states. Get in contact with your states within the next week - NABS rep program o NABS Reps. Are determined by several factors, such as Finances, experience what the state needs, etc. o Folks need to try to request a nabs rep within 8 weeks o A lot of states do not realize that they have this program. - In-person board meeting o Aug. 12 – Aug. 14 o Get receipts to Kathryn o Everyone needs to be at the Jernigan Institute by 5 P.M o People will fly out by Sunday afternoon o Dress will be business professional o Logistics need to be booked soon o Call for ideas * The best way to network with leaders * How to start a division from scratch * Relationship building and communication with external authorities o If anyone has any dietary restrictions, please let President Webster know Meeting adjourned at 10:04 P.M The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. 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Name: NABS Notes July 2016.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 35732 bytes Desc: not available URL: From logan4447 at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 04:00:35 2016 From: logan4447 at gmail.com (Logan Anderson) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 00:00:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Book help for college In-Reply-To: <72087151-1174-44A3-AB37-99EE9A4CFFA6@gmail.com> References: <2EF4F526-2CD2-4FE9-A832-CB1CCB225206@gmail.com> <88CEA485-188D-4DCC-94C6-3088F6B347C5@gmail.com> <72087151-1174-44A3-AB37-99EE9A4CFFA6@gmail.com> Message-ID: Emma, While vocational rehabilitation services can be a valuable asset I don't recommend relying solely on their services. They are a government agency and subject to bureaucracy. It can be a very lengthy process and may not happen in time for when you need it. Like I stated before every state is different and this includes how the services are handled and how quickly your information is processed. Some of the rules and regulations are also different depending on what state you may be in, and this can also influence the speed and efficiency with which services can be obtained. Having said that I would recommend that you do check into vocational rehabilitation and what they offer, but also have a backup plan just in case it falls through. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 30, 2016, at 8:17 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: > > Thank you everyone for your help. > Thank You, > Emma > >> On Jul 30, 2016, at 8:14 PM, chelsea peahl via NABS-L wrote: >> >> We in the disability services dept need you to have proof of purchase for copyright issues. >> >> Chelsea Peahl >> >>> On Jul 30, 2016, at 5:24 PM, Greg Aikens via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> I highly recommend Learning Ally and bookshare, like others have suggested. If you do have to purchase a physical copy, by your textbooks used, from your campus bookstore or from Amazon. That should help you save some cash. As long as they aren’t using your copy to produce the digital version, this should work fine. >>> >>> Best, >>> Greg >>> >>>> On Jul 30, 2016, at 9:33 AM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> What do you do for school books? My university converts them for me in to a word document but in order for them to be converted the physical book has to be rented or bought. My question since physical books are inaccessible how can I save money and get the access I need? >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelsea.peahl%40hotmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/logan4447%40gmail.com From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 14:30:24 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 07:30:24 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Conference Call Streaming Message-ID: Hi All, I know someone who may be interested in catching the live stream of the call tonight. Can someone send me the URL that it will be streaming on? Thanks! Best, Cricket From jonathancandler_msa at q.com Sun Jul 31 17:06:57 2016 From: jonathancandler_msa at q.com (Jonathan) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 10:06:57 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Conference Call Streaming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7f6a37fe-09a8-127f-783d-d7c980897876@q.com> Hello. If you all would like to catch the stream, go to http://kjscradio.com:8000/stream.mp3 HTH. Jonathan. On 7/31/2016 7:30 AM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: > Hi All, > > I know someone who may be interested in catching the live stream of > the call tonight. Can someone send me the URL that it will be > streaming on? Thanks! > > Best, > Cricket > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jonathancandler_msa%40q.com From sgermano at asu.edu Sun Jul 31 17:51:31 2016 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 12:51:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Book help for college In-Reply-To: <2EF4F526-2CD2-4FE9-A832-CB1CCB225206@gmail.com> References: <2EF4F526-2CD2-4FE9-A832-CB1CCB225206@gmail.com> Message-ID: I had to pay for my books also for the university to convert or request pdf from publishers On Saturday, July 30, 2016, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: > Dear all, > What do you do for school books? My university converts them for me in to > a word document but in order for them to be converted the physical book has > to be rented or bought. My question since physical books are inaccessible > how can I save money and get the access I need? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From bre.brown24 at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 18:02:39 2016 From: bre.brown24 at gmail.com (Bre Brown) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 13:02:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Membership call: Meet Your 2016-2017 Board Message-ID: Hi All, This is just a reminder about our membership call this evening. The 2016 NABS Board is eager to host our first membership call as newly elected leaders! When: Sunday, July 31, 2016 Time: 7pm eastern daylight time Where: Conference call line: 605-475-6700 Access code: 7869673 Details: We invite you to join us for our Meet the Board call at 7:00 pm eastern. During this call, the NABS Board will have the opportunity to introduce themselves. We will discuss our various committees and ambitious plans for the upcoming year. Bring your questions, suggestions, and ideas! Come dream big with us! Thanks Bre Brown Vice President, National Association of Blind students From emitchell927 at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 18:52:55 2016 From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 14:52:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Membership call: Meet Your 2016-2017 Board In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm new. I will call in.. Emma Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 31, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Bre Brown via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi All, > > This is just a reminder about our membership call this evening. > > The 2016 NABS Board is eager to host our first membership call as newly > elected leaders! > > When: Sunday, July 31, 2016 > > Time: 7pm eastern daylight time > > Where: Conference call line: 605-475-6700 > > Access code: 7869673 > > Details: We invite you to join us for our Meet the Board call at 7:00 pm > eastern. During this call, the NABS Board will have the opportunity to > introduce themselves. We will discuss our various committees and ambitious > plans for the upcoming year. Bring your questions, suggestions, and ideas! > Come dream big with us! > > Thanks > Bre Brown > > Vice President, National Association of Blind students > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 18:59:42 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 14:59:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Membership call: Meet Your 2016-2017 Board In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04f701d1eb5d$b28b3b10$17a1b130$@gmail.com> Well, I'm no longer a student; I'm working, but I'm sure you folks are going to do some good things under Cathryn, and the rest of the new leadership. I'm a Youth Transition specialist, so I'll remain on the list because some of my consumers will benefit from the information. So, good luck. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Emma Mitchell via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 2:53 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Emma Mitchell Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reminder: Membership call: Meet Your 2016-2017 Board I'm new. I will call in.. Emma Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 31, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Bre Brown via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi All, > > This is just a reminder about our membership call this evening. > > The 2016 NABS Board is eager to host our first membership call as > newly elected leaders! > > When: Sunday, July 31, 2016 > > Time: 7pm eastern daylight time > > Where: Conference call line: 605-475-6700 > > Access code: 7869673 > > Details: We invite you to join us for our Meet the Board call at 7:00 > pm eastern. During this call, the NABS Board will have the opportunity > to introduce themselves. We will discuss our various committees and > ambitious plans for the upcoming year. Bring your questions, suggestions, and ideas! > Come dream big with us! > > Thanks > Bre Brown > > Vice President, National Association of Blind students > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gma > il.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 19:16:50 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 12:16:50 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Membership call: Meet Your 2016-2017 Board In-Reply-To: <04f701d1eb5d$b28b3b10$17a1b130$@gmail.com> References: <04f701d1eb5d$b28b3b10$17a1b130$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm so looking forward to meeting everyone and having a positive impact on the blind student community! Did someone blast this across Twitter and Facebook for those who don't do the email list thing? On 7/31/16, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: > Well, I'm no longer a student; I'm working, but I'm sure you folks are > going > to do some good things under Cathryn, and the rest of the new leadership. > I'm a Youth Transition specialist, so I'll remain on the list because some > of my consumers will benefit from the information. > > So, good luck. > Justin > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Emma Mitchell > via NABS-L > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 2:53 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Emma Mitchell > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reminder: Membership call: Meet Your 2016-2017 Board > > I'm new. I will call in.. > Emma > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 31, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Bre Brown via NABS-L > wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> This is just a reminder about our membership call this evening. >> >> The 2016 NABS Board is eager to host our first membership call as >> newly elected leaders! >> >> When: Sunday, July 31, 2016 >> >> Time: 7pm eastern daylight time >> >> Where: Conference call line: 605-475-6700 >> >> Access code: 7869673 >> >> Details: We invite you to join us for our Meet the Board call at 7:00 >> pm eastern. During this call, the NABS Board will have the opportunity >> to introduce themselves. We will discuss our various committees and >> ambitious plans for the upcoming year. Bring your questions, suggestions, > and ideas! >> Come dream big with us! >> >> Thanks >> Bre Brown >> >> Vice President, National Association of Blind students >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gma >> il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From emitchell927 at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 19:19:34 2016 From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 15:19:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Membership call: Meet Your 2016-2017 Board In-Reply-To: References: <04f701d1eb5d$b28b3b10$17a1b130$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I will on Twitter Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 31, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: > > I'm so looking forward to meeting everyone and having a positive > impact on the blind student community! Did someone blast this across > Twitter and Facebook for those who don't do the email list thing? > >> On 7/31/16, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: >> Well, I'm no longer a student; I'm working, but I'm sure you folks are >> going >> to do some good things under Cathryn, and the rest of the new leadership. >> I'm a Youth Transition specialist, so I'll remain on the list because some >> of my consumers will benefit from the information. >> >> So, good luck. >> Justin >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Emma Mitchell >> via NABS-L >> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 2:53 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: Emma Mitchell >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reminder: Membership call: Meet Your 2016-2017 Board >> >> I'm new. I will call in.. >> Emma >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Jul 31, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Bre Brown via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> This is just a reminder about our membership call this evening. >>> >>> The 2016 NABS Board is eager to host our first membership call as >>> newly elected leaders! >>> >>> When: Sunday, July 31, 2016 >>> >>> Time: 7pm eastern daylight time >>> >>> Where: Conference call line: 605-475-6700 >>> >>> Access code: 7869673 >>> >>> Details: We invite you to join us for our Meet the Board call at 7:00 >>> pm eastern. During this call, the NABS Board will have the opportunity >>> to introduce themselves. We will discuss our various committees and >>> ambitious plans for the upcoming year. Bring your questions, suggestions, >> and ideas! >>> Come dream big with us! >>> >>> Thanks >>> Bre Brown >>> >>> Vice President, National Association of Blind students >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gma >>> il.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 19:33:00 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 12:33:00 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Membership call: Meet Your 2016-2017 Board In-Reply-To: References: <04f701d1eb5d$b28b3b10$17a1b130$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Emma! We must spread the word as much as we possibly can. We need as many new members as we can possibly get. Anything we can do to spread the world will help. On 7/31/16, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: > I will on Twitter > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 31, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> I'm so looking forward to meeting everyone and having a positive >> impact on the blind student community! Did someone blast this across >> Twitter and Facebook for those who don't do the email list thing? >> >>> On 7/31/16, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: >>> Well, I'm no longer a student; I'm working, but I'm sure you folks are >>> going >>> to do some good things under Cathryn, and the rest of the new >>> leadership. >>> I'm a Youth Transition specialist, so I'll remain on the list because >>> some >>> of my consumers will benefit from the information. >>> >>> So, good luck. >>> Justin >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Emma >>> Mitchell >>> via NABS-L >>> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 2:53 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Cc: Emma Mitchell >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reminder: Membership call: Meet Your 2016-2017 >>> Board >>> >>> I'm new. I will call in.. >>> Emma >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On Jul 31, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Bre Brown via NABS-L >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> This is just a reminder about our membership call this evening. >>>> >>>> The 2016 NABS Board is eager to host our first membership call as >>>> newly elected leaders! >>>> >>>> When: Sunday, July 31, 2016 >>>> >>>> Time: 7pm eastern daylight time >>>> >>>> Where: Conference call line: 605-475-6700 >>>> >>>> Access code: 7869673 >>>> >>>> Details: We invite you to join us for our Meet the Board call at 7:00 >>>> pm eastern. During this call, the NABS Board will have the opportunity >>>> to introduce themselves. We will discuss our various committees and >>>> ambitious plans for the upcoming year. Bring your questions, >>>> suggestions, >>> and ideas! >>>> Come dream big with us! >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Bre Brown >>>> >>>> Vice President, National Association of Blind students >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gma >>>> il.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From nabs.president at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 19:35:48 2016 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (NABS President) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 15:35:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Membership call: Meet Your 2016-2017 Board In-Reply-To: References: <04f701d1eb5d$b28b3b10$17a1b130$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <99C55323-80A2-4E72-A96F-52F0013E8417@gmail.com> Great thinking! Our social media guys, chris Nusbaum and Shannon Cantan, have covered our social network accounts. Please share widely. Thank you all; and I'm excited to hear y'all on tonight's call! Kathryn Webster President, National Association of Blind Students (203) 273-8463 Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 31, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: > > I will on Twitter > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 31, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: >> >> I'm so looking forward to meeting everyone and having a positive >> impact on the blind student community! Did someone blast this across >> Twitter and Facebook for those who don't do the email list thing? >> >>> On 7/31/16, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: >>> Well, I'm no longer a student; I'm working, but I'm sure you folks are >>> going >>> to do some good things under Cathryn, and the rest of the new leadership. >>> I'm a Youth Transition specialist, so I'll remain on the list because some >>> of my consumers will benefit from the information. >>> >>> So, good luck. >>> Justin >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Emma Mitchell >>> via NABS-L >>> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 2:53 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Cc: Emma Mitchell >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reminder: Membership call: Meet Your 2016-2017 Board >>> >>> I'm new. I will call in.. >>> Emma >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On Jul 31, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Bre Brown via NABS-L >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> This is just a reminder about our membership call this evening. >>>> >>>> The 2016 NABS Board is eager to host our first membership call as >>>> newly elected leaders! >>>> >>>> When: Sunday, July 31, 2016 >>>> >>>> Time: 7pm eastern daylight time >>>> >>>> Where: Conference call line: 605-475-6700 >>>> >>>> Access code: 7869673 >>>> >>>> Details: We invite you to join us for our Meet the Board call at 7:00 >>>> pm eastern. During this call, the NABS Board will have the opportunity >>>> to introduce themselves. We will discuss our various committees and >>>> ambitious plans for the upcoming year. Bring your questions, suggestions, >>> and ideas! >>>> Come dream big with us! >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Bre Brown >>>> >>>> Vice President, National Association of Blind students >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gma >>>> il.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 20:26:05 2016 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 16:26:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Student success Toolkit thumbdrive Message-ID: Hi all! How are you all? I purchase the Students success toolkit thumb drive and I was waiting for it. So this is waht ahppen to me guys! On Saturday arrive to my house an envelope adn that envelope came tear in one side and open and not thumdrive there. The envelope says that was from from North Carolina,and from the head quarters. I don't know if youguys experience this before? I really was waiting for this USV drive with the information. Would it be possible for the person who is in charge of sending the thumb drive of the student success toolkit to sen dme another one again? I will really appreciate it a lot since I really don't know why it arrive that way at my house. I look forward in hering from you soon. Thanks and God bless! Helga Schreiber Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students. Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Skype: helga.schreiber26 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx INT Website: http://int4life.com/ "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.3 From nabs.president at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 20:29:55 2016 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (NABS President) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 16:29:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Student success Toolkit thumbdrive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B082165-E4C4-4D5E-AC72-32EB5DB882F7@gmail.com> I'm shocked that happened. I'll send you another one tomorrow! I'm so sorry about that! Kathryn Webster President, National Association of Blind Students (203) 273-8463 Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 31, 2016, at 4:26 PM, Helga Schreiber via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi all! How are you all? I purchase the Students success toolkit thumb drive and I was waiting for it. So this is waht ahppen to me guys! On Saturday arrive to my house an envelope adn that envelope came tear in one side and open and not thumdrive there. The envelope says that was from from North Carolina,and from the head quarters. I don't know if youguys experience this before? I really was waiting for this USV drive with the information. Would it be possible for the person who is in charge of sending the thumb drive of the student success toolkit to sen dme another one again? I will really appreciate it a lot since I really don't know why it arrive that way at my house. I look forward in hering from you soon. Thanks and God bless! > > Helga Schreiber > > Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students. > Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). > Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. > Phone: (561) 706-5950 > Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com > Skype: helga.schreiber26 > 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx > INT Website: http://int4life.com/ > > "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 > Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.3 > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 22:45:27 2016 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 18:45:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Student success Toolkit thumbdrive In-Reply-To: <4B082165-E4C4-4D5E-AC72-32EB5DB882F7@gmail.com> References: <4B082165-E4C4-4D5E-AC72-32EB5DB882F7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <775E8A36-6A04-4B80-BCD8-8064B5291ED8@gmail.com> Hi Ms. Kathryn! Thank you so much! for be willing to send me another one! I am also in shock about that! I really don't know how and why that happen. Thank yu again! I look forward in hearing from you soon. Would you like me to send you my home address again? I look forward in hering from you soon. Thanks and God bless! Helga Schreiber Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students. Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Skype: helga.schreiber26 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx INT Website: http://int4life.com/ "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.3 > On Jul 31, 2016, at 4:29 PM, NABS President wrote: > > I'm shocked that happened. I'll send you another one tomorrow! > I'm so sorry about that! > > Kathryn Webster > President, National Association of Blind Students > (203) 273-8463 > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 31, 2016, at 4:26 PM, Helga Schreiber via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hi all! How are you all? I purchase the Students success toolkit thumb drive and I was waiting for it. So this is waht ahppen to me guys! On Saturday arrive to my house an envelope adn that envelope came tear in one side and open and not thumdrive there. The envelope says that was from from North Carolina,and from the head quarters. I don't know if youguys experience this before? I really was waiting for this USV drive with the information. Would it be possible for the person who is in charge of sending the thumb drive of the student success toolkit to sen dme another one again? I will really appreciate it a lot since I really don't know why it arrive that way at my house. I look forward in hering from you soon. Thanks and God bless! >> >> Helga Schreiber >> >> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students. >> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). >> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. >> Phone: (561) 706-5950 >> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com >> Skype: helga.schreiber26 >> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx >> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ >> >> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 >> Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.3 >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com From shannoncantan.nfb at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 23:36:20 2016 From: shannoncantan.nfb at gmail.com (Shannon Cantan) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 13:36:20 -1000 Subject: [nabs-l] Minor technical difficulties during meet the board call Message-ID: <870E3F30-6B7C-4261-8FA6-F986B0BE3601@gmail.com> Greetings all, The call in number for today's meet the board tell-conference may have given you some issues. This may have been caused by your cellphone provider, multiple complaints from T-Mobile customers were reported to us over the past 30 minutes. If you experienced any problems, please reach out to President Kathryn Webster at Nabs.president at gmail.com and let her know This will help us with avoiding any interruptions in the future Thank you Shannon KS Cantan