[nabs-l] footnotes

Sat Jul 23 16:28:11 UTC 2016

Thanks so much, everybody. This is all really helpful information!
I was an English major in college, so there normally weren't that many
footnotes (MLA citation style is right in the text), but I know they'll be
important for law school and I should learn how to work with them. So
thanks.
Jameyanne

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To hold your place with jaws, use the windows key, or start button, control
k. To return to your place with jaws, use alt windows key.
 Justin

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Justin,

I do likewise. I use the citations in articles as keys to furthering my
research.

I can use the reference list fine with the citations.
They are at the end of articles and easy to find.
But with jaws, footnotes have proved impossible.
Jaws will sometimes read the footnote numbers and other times it sees them
as other odd characteristics or superscripts.

I will hear the numbers, but do not know to what they refer to. A sighted
person can glance down at the bottom of a page and read it, but with a
screen reader, you're stuck on the line you have the cursor on to read. I
suppose the find command might get you to the bottom  but then you have to
find your place again.

Anyways, if you found the footnotes or endnotes useful, that is good.

Ashley

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Sometimes, the endnotes, footnotes and references can giv eyou ideas as to
how to continue your research I use the citations in articles as keys to
furthering my research.
Justin

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Footnotes are incredibly important.  Often times they have substantive
comments, and even when they don't, they show you what evidence a claim is
based on, or in your case what statute or case supports a particular legal
interpretation.  I'll put on my history major hat for a second and also
point out that looking at footnotes and bibliographies is one of the best
ways to do research and find out what the important works are on your topic
if you start by reading the most recent thing you know of on your topic and
then read the important things that were cited and then read the important
things cited in those sources.  Justin gave you the commands for reading
footnotes that are actually formatted as footnotes in word, but typically in
a scann the notes are just part of the text either at the bottom of the page
or at the end of the book or chapter.  I haven't had much trouble with the
note numbers disappearing, but I read mostly bookshare books.  You might try
talking to your DSS and impressing on them how important footnotes are if
you have a systematic issue with the numbers not showing up.  Often changing
scanner settings affects things like this.  If I'm reading something and the
detail is only moderately important, I just read the notes at the bottom of
each page, and it's typically clear what they go to.
If the notes are at the end of the book, I usually go read all the notes
after each chapter or sometimes each subsection.  If some claim made in the
text is important to my research, I will look up the note that goes with it
using the search feature, and similarly if I'm doing a close reading I'll go
look up each footnote by searching for that number and then searching
backwords to find the original note number and continue reading.

HTH,
Karl
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Subject: [nabs-l] footnotes

Hi all,

I've always hated footnotes. They're such a pain to find and read, on my
computer or on my BrailleNote, especially since a lot of the time when
something has been scanned or converted by the disabilities services office,
the numbers for the footnotes are lost and I don't know what goes with what,
so most of the time I just skim them or ignore them completely.
But I'm
guessing there might be some useful information in them, and I'm pretty sure
they're important for law school. So is there some secret way to read
footnotes that I'm missing?

Thanks for your help!

Jameyanne

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