From hbwilliams16 at gmail.com Wed Jun 1 03:48:25 2016 From: hbwilliams16 at gmail.com (Hindley Williams) Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 23:48:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Notes May 2016 Message-ID: Hello Fellow Students, See the May edition of the NABS Notes below. You will see many exciting announcements relating to the upcoming national convention, as well as other must-read information from our student divisions across the country. See the Notes attached, at the following URL, or pasted below. Here is the URL: http://nabslink.org/content/nabs-notes-may-2016 And here is the text: NABS Notes May 2016 The National Association of Blind Students -- A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind. In this edition of the NABS monthly bulletin: 1. Have You Registered for the 2016 NFB National Convention? 2. Volunteering with NABS at National Convention 3. NABS at the NFB Healthy Fair 4. May NABS Blog Update 5. State Updates 6. May NABS Board Meeting Minutes Have You Registered for the 2016 NFB National Convention? National Convention is swiftly approaching! With only a month left until the convention begins, make sure you preregister and make your room reservation. You will not want to miss the networking opportunities and the exciting events that our annual convention is sure to provide. For more information about how to preregister, as well as convention location, please visit the following link: https://nfb.org/convention NOTE: The last day to preregister is May 31. Volunteering With NABS at National Convention National Convention is just around the corner! Whether this is going to be your first convention experience, or you are a familiar face among us, we look forward to seeing you at all of the various events that NABS has planned. Our annual NABS social will kick it all off, followed by our business meeting which will feature informative and engaging presentations that you won’t want to miss. And, right before the convention week has ended, come socialize and play some fun card games with your fellow students. We will also be having an Exhibit Hall table, and details are soon to follow on what you will find there. But, in order to make all of this happen, NABS needs your help. >From marshalling for these events, to staffing the Monte Carlo night, to volunteering at the Exhibit Hall table, we want to work with you. If you have any initial interest in volunteering with NABS at this year’s National Convention, please email Bre Brown at bbrown at nfbtx.org or Kathryn Webster at kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com. We look forward to working alongside you, and reconnecting and meeting students from all across the country at this year’s convention! NABS at the NFB Healthy Fair On Thursday, June 30 from 10-4pm, as part of this year’s fun and festivities, the National Federation of the Blind Sports and Recreation Division and WE Fit Wellness™ are planning an exciting and dynamic Try It Seminar and NF-Be Healthy Fair. The Try It Seminar will be an opportunity for blind and visually impaired individuals, and their families, to try out a variety of sports and recreational activities. The NF-Be Healthy Fair will be a wonderful chance for participants to explore their personal health, check out blindness-specific health products, and learn about sports and recreation opportunities in Florida and across the nation. We will gather in the ballroom to learn about nutrition, tips and tricks to exercising right, and have an opportunity to donate blood at the blood drive! The National Association of Blind Students is proud to be a silver sponsor of this event. In addition to selling bottled water throughout the event in order to keep our members hydrated, we will be marshalling and interacting with many of the stations. To make this possible, we need your help! If you are interested in learning about health and nutrition, want to help NABS fundraise, or just love to hang out with some cool athletes, students, and newcomers, then sign up for a shift! Please email Kathryn Webster at kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com for additional details and to volunteer for a morning or afternoon shift! NABS, We Fit Wellness, and the Sports & Rec Division appreciate your help! May NABS Blog Update In this month’s blog article, you’ll have the opportunity to read about an affiliate leadership Seminar that took place at the beginning of May at the Jernigan Institute. Kathryn Webster, along with Virginia students, reflected on the impact of such a weekend. Visit http://nabslink.org/content/embracing-our-membership-our-meaning-and-our-movement To read about the impactful experience had and to learn about how you can build relationships with your own affiliate! State Updates All updates are printed below as they were received from their senders. Kansas: KABS is increasingly becoming an active division, and we have done several exciting things together throughout the month of May that we would like to share with the rest of our NFB family. First of all, we are proud to announce that Kabs has launched its Facebook page. We post our upcoming activities, pictures of events, and a lot more. Please like us on Facebook and learn about our division! The weather was delightful, and everyone enjoyed one another’s company and delicious food that KABS provided. Unfortunately, not everyone was able to come, but we still had a wonderful time. Finally, we did an outreach at the Kansas school for the deaf and blind. We had a great presentation and luncheon there, and some of the students became interested in joining our student division. We are looking forward to getting new members and making our division bigger and stronger. All of our students are enthusiastic about the upcoming national convention, and we are very grateful to our state for providing the financial assistance to our students to make the trip to Orlando possible. Maryland: The Maryland Association of Blind Students just concluded a busy and exciting spring by putting on our first student seminar in 3 years! On May 14, 17 blind students from across the state gathered in Laurel for a fun time of working out at the gym, making friendships, and empowering each other to get active in all aspects of our community lives, showing that we as blind people can and do live the lives we want. The afternoon of fun and learning concluded with an insightful philosophical discussion led by leaders from both the affiliate and the student division. Thanks to our dedicated and enthusiastic Membership/Communications Committee, under the able leadership of Nesma Aly and Ellana Crew, for leading the planning of one of our most successful seminars yet! As national convention approaches, MDABS is looking forward to Gathering with our Federation family from across the country, and to participating actively in our work at the national level to ensure that all blind people can live the lives we want. See you in Orlando! Utah: Hello Federationists! The Utah Association of Blind Students recently had a change to our board with Chelsea Peahl being elected as the new president. We are currently talking with members on the NABS board to brainstorm ideas on how to make our division as strong as it possibly can be! We are also planning a new fundraiser for the year and are also beginning to think about some activities to have this year! Please be patient with us as we get our division going once again! Virginia: >From May 6 to 8, the Virginia Association of Blind Students (VABS) held a weekend seminar on leadership at the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute in Baltimore, Maryland. During this event, students were able to learn invaluable skills, such as time management, interviewing tips, and accessibility options for both employment and curriculum. Most importantly, we engaged with our national president, Mark Riccobono, and reflected on the significance of building relationships with local, state, and national leadership. Between the large turnout of students in comparison to recent events and the enthusiasm of the group, the conference was a huge success! We were grateful to have the majority of the Virginia student board, several members all across our state, and our national state liaison Kathryn Webster join us alongside our entire Federation family of Virginia. We look forward to seeing you in Orlando! May NABS Board Meeting Minutes May 15, 2016 Meeting called to order at 9:06 p.m. Members Present: Sean Whalen (President) Candice Chapman (1st Vice President) Bre Brown (2nd Vice President) Kathryn Webster (Secretary/Treasurer) Hindley Williams (Board Member 1) James Garret Mooney (Board Member 2) Chris Nusbaum (Board member 3) Michael Ausbun (Board Member 4) Treasurer’s Report: Checking account: $6,083.33 Sending check to Sean for $464 Sending check to Jeannie for $100 toward Convention planning Awaiting $240 from a fundraiser in January Committee Reports Communications: Lots of blog articles coming for May New section within the blog called: “Living the life we want” for old students and current students Continue to grow Twitter followers and friends on Facebook NABS blast on KJFC radio Tuesday night from 8-9pm with special guests Kathryn Webster and Syed Rizvi NABS Notes: lots of info this month with National Convention and NABS events there. Scholarship page will be posted. Blog updates and state updates will be featured. Fundraising: Penny Wars: emails and phone calls to presidents of national divisions done this week by Kathryn Exhibit hall: water and soda; snack packs Flash drives: sold for $8; lots of cool stuff on there for blind students SeaWorld ticket raffle: sold at Exhibit Hall table, by Board members, and Fundraising committee members Door prizes: grand cash prizes, four smaller prizes to draw during business meeting Monte Carlo Night: $5 for entrance; $10 for one bag of chips; $15 for two bags of chips During our meetings, we should sell drinks and snacks in the back of the rooms Legislative: Three different letter templates written Online form for equal access to education testimonies Membership: Training center testimonies being collected. We are working on a template. Reach out to Garret Mooney with questions. Membership directory will be uploaded soon! Mentoring program at National convention: Sean will send out blast email to membership Website: Preregistration is up for National Convention. Mentoring Program links are on home page. Kathryn put up a new Find Your State menu on home page. Preregistration for our meeting will be up soon! Recruitment strategy for National Convention: Reaching out to Paul to get more students from around the area to come Meeting adjourned at 11:46 p.m. As always, please do not hesitate to contact us with any questions, concerns or suggestions. The NABS Board works for you, and we want to know how we’re doing! Thanks for reading, and we’ll be back in June. The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. -- Hindley Williams hbwilliams16 at gmail.com (443) 823-0867 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: NABS Notes May 2016.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 25073 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Wed Jun 1 12:31:33 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2016 08:31:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Alosha Moore for NABS board Position Message-ID: <574ed5c4.d7e60d0a.69266.1759@mx.google.com> Hi Alosha thanks for your message. I hope you get this position. You have my full support. From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com Wed Jun 1 14:26:48 2016 From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 10:26:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] 2016 NATIONAL CONVENTION AGENDA IS NOW AVAILABLE! Message-ID: <018901d1bc11$a1eee930$e5ccbb90$@gmail.com> Good morning students! The 2016 National Federation of the Blind National Convention agenda is now available online at www.nfb.org/convention . For your convenience, I have attached a .docx version, as well. See you soon, Kathryn Webster -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 2016 National Convention agenda.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 385237 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dandrews at visi.com Wed Jun 1 21:33:59 2016 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2016 16:33:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: roommate for convention Message-ID: > >In need of a roommate or a reservation > >If someone is in need of a female roommate or >has a reservation that they are not going to >need please contact Donna Prime in the Iowa >affiliate at >dprime27 at gmail.com , >one of my members was not able to get a >reservation for the last 3 nights of the convention. Thank you. > >Donna Prime, President >National Federation of the Blind of Iowa >dprime27 at gmail.com >319.321.8769 > >The National Federation of the Blind knows that >blindness is not the characteristic that defines >you or your future. Every day we raise the >expectations of blind people, because low >expectations create obstacles between blind >people and our dreams. You can live the life you >want; blindness is not what holds you back. From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Jun 1 21:53:44 2016 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 17:53:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS List Guidelines Monthly Reminder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: NABS List Guidelines 1. Be respectful. A. This Listserv is a great forum in which we can all express our opinions. Sometimes we will disagree. However, when responding to a post, always be respectful. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and personal attacks and degrading comments will not be tolerated. B. All posts must be appropriate for a wide audience, including readers younger than 18 years old. Profanity and sexual content will not be allowed. C. Remember that all list messages appear on a public archive. Please respect other people’s privacy by not posting details about their lives or experiences. Even if you post about somebody without using their name, their identity can be discovered. Also remember that if you post your phone number on list, others could access it via a Google search. 2. Reducing List Clutter A. Please stay on topic. This list is about blindness and issues related to being a blind student or job-seeker. Posts about religion or politics, advertisements, queries asking to add list members on social media, or any other posts unrelated to blindness are not allowed, as they create too much list clutter unrelated to the list purpose. The exception is that advertisements for blindness programs and announcements about blindness-related research projects are permitted. The moderators and NABS board reserve the right to close down any discussion that is off-topic. B. Please respect readers’ time by consolidating your ideas into one or two messages per day instead of posting many short replies to a topic. Rule of thumb is to post in a way to further the conversation, instead of just saying “I agree”. C. When you would like to write someone off list or offer to connect with someone by Skype or social media, do so privately. You do not have to write one liners to every person you’d like to email off list. If you develop a conversation with that person, that’s great, if they feel they do not want to respond that is their right too. D. If an off-topic message appears on the list, please do not respond to it. Instead, please either delete it or forward it to a list moderator. Single off-topic messages create much less clutter than long threads debating whether or not the initial post is appropriate for the list. If you send a message the moderators feel is off-topic, you will receive an off-list request not to send any more messages of this kind. If you disagree with the moderator’s ruling, feel free to reply and make your case, and we will be more than happy to listen. But the list committee has final authority regarding what is and is not appropriate for the list. Repeated violations of the guidelines could result in disciplinary action from the list owner, including list removal. From annita.co.usa at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 03:27:35 2016 From: annita.co.usa at gmail.com (Anya) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 22:27:35 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] volunteer opportunity In-Reply-To: <018901d1bc11$a1eee930$e5ccbb90$@gmail.com> References: <018901d1bc11$a1eee930$e5ccbb90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <574FA7A7.7030500@gmail.com> Hey Kathryn, this is Anya, the president of the Kansas Association of Blind Students. I was writing because I'm interested in volunteering at exhibit hall table at the national convention. I'm also working for Blind Inc, and it requires a lot of work, but I still would like to volunteer, and I'd appreciate if you'd provide me the times when I could help the NABS. Please let me know if there are any availabilities at this time, and I will try my best to take on a shift. Best regards, A On 6/1/2016 9:26 AM, Kathryn Webster via NABS-L wrote: > Good morning students! > > > > The 2016 National Federation of the Blind National > Convention agenda is now available online at www.nfb.org/convention > . > > For your convenience, I have attached a .docx version, as well. > > > > See you soon, > > Kathryn Webster > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annita.co.usa%40gmail.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 12:56:58 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2016 08:56:58 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Michael Ausbun for NABS Secretary Message-ID: <57502d3b.8847810a.2c24e.0cdf@mx.google.com> Hi Michael thanks for your message. Congratulations on running for a board position. You have my full support in this endeavor. From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 12:56:55 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2016 08:56:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Running for a board position! Message-ID: <57502d38.8847810a.2c24e.0cde@mx.google.com> Hi Chelsea thanks for your message. I hope you win this board position. From alpineimagination at gmail.com Fri Jun 3 02:03:29 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2016 21:03:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about SSI Message-ID: <5750e57c.0b59810a.3d74.ffff8f96@mx.google.com> Hi All, I have a couple of questions regarding SSI. I am going to graduate from LCB in two weeks and moving back home for the summer, so I know that I will need to report that I am living back home. How far in advance do I need to do this, bearing in mind that my social security rep is not the best at answering calls? Secondly, I am going to be moving to my dorm in August. The college that I am staying at is only 20 minutes away from home, which means that I can always go home on weekends and can come and go as I please. I would obviously be staying at home for breaks also. Would I still need to report about staying in the dorm? Thanks, Vejas From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Fri Jun 3 03:42:25 2016 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 23:42:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about SSI In-Reply-To: <5750e57c.0b59810a.3d74.ffff8f96@mx.google.com> References: <5750e57c.0b59810a.3d74.ffff8f96@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hello Vejas, I am by no means an expert regarding Social Security, so I hope other people who are more knowledgeable about this subject will chime in on this discussion. However, I thought I would take the time to answer your questions in case no one else on the email list responds to you. As for your first question, I am honestly not quite sure how far in advance you need to notify Social Security regarding your change of address, or if you even need to submit your change of address to your assigned case worker. The last time I reported a change of address to Social Security, I went to a Social Security office in person after I moved, and reported my change of address to which ever case worker called out my number indicating my spot in line. I believe I decided to report my change of address in person because at the time I only had a cell phone with a limited amount of day time minutes, and I did not want to waste my minutes waiting on hold for someone from Social Security to answer my call. However, I cannot believe how long I have been living in my current apartment, so perhaps contacting Social Security is a bit easier to do these days than the last time I changed my address with them. As for your second question, it seems to me if you are planning on using your parents address as a permanent address while you are attending college and living in a dorm that the easiest thing for you to do would be to keep your parents address as your permanent address with Social Security. However, I have never lived in a dorm while receiving Social Security, so perhaps this might not necessarily be the best thing to do. It is simply what I would probably do unless I heard someone else tell me that doing so violates some sort of rule that goes against what seems to me the most logical thing to do. Anyway, I hope you find this information to be helpful. If not, I hope others who are more knowledgeable about Social Security matters will chime in on this discussion. However, if you are attending national convention, there is usually a session devoted to Social Security issues where you can ask questions regarding Social Security. Warm regards, Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 10:03 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas Subject: [nabs-l] Question about SSI Hi All, I have a couple of questions regarding SSI. I am going to graduate from LCB in two weeks and moving back home for the summer, so I know that I will need to report that I am living back home. How far in advance do I need to do this, bearing in mind that my social security rep is not the best at answering calls? Secondly, I am going to be moving to my dorm in August. The college that I am staying at is only 20 minutes away from home, which means that I can always go home on weekends and can come and go as I please. I would obviously be staying at home for breaks also. Would I still need to report about staying in the dorm? Thanks, Vejas _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com From kestomberg at coe.edu Fri Jun 3 03:44:15 2016 From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 22:44:15 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about SSI In-Reply-To: <5750e57c.0b59810a.3d74.ffff8f96@mx.google.com> References: <5750e57c.0b59810a.3d74.ffff8f96@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <360751B5-8610-41EE-9AF5-A787C1EEDD19@coe.edu> Hello. I didn't report my change of address until after I had arrived. So, if your Social Security representative isn't great at answering phone calls, you can leave a voicemail for them. If they don't get back to you, just keep calling until they answer so you can tell them that you have changed your address. As for living in your dorm, you may still want to report that, especially if you will not be paying rent at your home. This is important, because if you do not pay rent, they may reduce the amount that you get paid. I hope this helps! :-) Kennedy Stomberg (218)295-2391 > On Jun 2, 2016, at 9:03 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi All, > I have a couple of questions regarding SSI. > I am going to graduate from LCB in two weeks and moving back home for the summer, so I know that I will need to report that I am living back home. How far in advance do I need to do this, bearing in mind that my social security rep is not the best at answering calls? > Secondly, I am going to be moving to my dorm in August. The college that I am staying at is only 20 minutes away from home, which means that I can always go home on weekends and can come and go as I please. I would obviously be staying at home for breaks also. Would I still need to report about staying in the dorm? > Thanks, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu From sgermano at asu.edu Fri Jun 3 11:51:38 2016 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2016 06:51:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about SSI In-Reply-To: <5750e57c.0b59810a.3d74.ffff8f96@mx.google.com> References: <5750e57c.0b59810a.3d74.ffff8f96@mx.google.com> Message-ID: It is much better to say you are living in the dorm. That would give you full SSI checks. Do you pay rent at home? If you do you get full checks. On Thursday, June 2, 2016, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: > Hi All, > I have a couple of questions regarding SSI. > I am going to graduate from LCB in two weeks and moving back home for the > summer, so I know that I will need to report that I am living back home. > How far in advance do I need to do this, bearing in mind that my social > security rep is not the best at answering calls? > Secondly, I am going to be moving to my dorm in August. The college that > I am staying at is only 20 minutes away from home, which means that I can > always go home on weekends and can come and go as I please. I would > obviously be staying at home for breaks also. Would I still need to report > about staying in the dorm? > Thanks, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From ligne14 at verizon.net Fri Jun 3 14:42:14 2016 From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2016 10:42:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about SSI Message-ID: <0O8700CJ3A6UFM80@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> Hi Vejas and all, I personally don't think that it is necessary to indicate to Social Security that you're living in the dorm. The reason is that I've also been attending a blindness training center here in New York that is only an hour away from my house, and go home every weekend. I have my home address for SSI, so that's where they send my monthly benefits to. I have never had any problems with that; Social Security has never confronted me about what I do with my checks. The only thing they have contacted me about was to go to a meeting back in May so that they could have proof of my blindness and hard of hearing. So in summary, even though I live in the dorm at the training center (although like you I'll be finishing in two weeks and going back home for the summer), I still have my home address for receiveing my SSI benefits since it's only an hour away and since I go home on weekends. By the way, I'll be doing the same for college in the fall, because my college is also only about 15-20 minutes away from my house, and I'll also be living in the dorm during the week and going home on weekends. I hope this helps and have a great first weekend in June! Thanks, Sami ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzanne Germano via NABS-L References: Message-ID: <0CA64EAC-AD48-46BE-A038-75B8EE87E376@gmail.com> Thanks for posting these guidelines on the list. I find them helpful. Sent from my iPad > On Jun 1, 2016, at 5:53 PM, Arielle Silverman via NABS-L wrote: > > NABS List Guidelines > > 1. Be respectful. > A. This Listserv is a great forum in which we can all express our > opinions. Sometimes we will disagree. However, when responding to a > post, always be respectful. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and > personal attacks and degrading comments will not be tolerated. > B. All posts must be appropriate for a wide audience, including > readers younger than 18 years old. Profanity and sexual content will > not be allowed. > C. Remember that all list messages appear on a public archive. Please > respect other people’s privacy by not posting details about their > lives or experiences. Even if you post about somebody without using > their name, their identity can be discovered. Also remember that if > you post your phone number on list, others could access it via a > Google search. > > 2. Reducing List Clutter > A. Please stay on topic. This list is about blindness and issues > related to being a blind student or job-seeker. Posts about religion > or politics, advertisements, queries asking to add list members on > social media, or any other posts unrelated to blindness are not > allowed, as they create too much list clutter unrelated to the list > purpose. The exception is that advertisements for blindness programs > and announcements about blindness-related research projects are > permitted. The moderators and NABS board reserve the right to close > down any discussion that is off-topic. > B. Please respect readers’ time by consolidating your ideas into one > or two messages per day instead of posting many short replies to a > topic. Rule of thumb is to post in a way to further the conversation, > instead of just saying “I agree”. > C. When you would like to write someone off list or offer to connect > with someone by Skype or social media, do so privately. You do not > have to write one liners to every person you’d like to email off list. > If you develop a conversation with that person, that’s great, if they > feel they do not want to respond that is their right too. > D. If an off-topic message appears on the list, please do not respond > to it. Instead, please either delete it or forward it to a list > moderator. Single off-topic messages create much less clutter than > long threads debating whether or not the initial post is appropriate > for the list. > If you send a message the moderators feel is off-topic, you will > receive an off-list request not to send any more messages of this > kind. If you disagree with the moderator’s ruling, feel free to reply > and make your case, and we will be more than happy to listen. But the > list committee has final authority regarding what is and is not > appropriate for the list. Repeated violations of the guidelines could > result in disciplinary action from the list owner, including list > removal. > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com Sat Jun 4 20:11:16 2016 From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2016 16:11:16 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Virginia 2016 James F Nelson Scholarship Program and application References: Message-ID: <6ADC2E6D-5ED6-45F6-A918-E539CE47D924@gmail.com> Attention Virginia residents or future Virginia students: The semester is over, but don’t totally check out this summer, or you might miss the opportunity to apply for the James F Nelson 2016 Virginia State Scholarship. If you are a Virginia resident, or attending an institute of higher education in the Commonwealth of Virginia in the coming 2016/17 academic year, why not apply for a prestigious James F Nelson Virginia Scholarship? You will garner fame, a most expenses paid trip to the Virginia state convention in fabulous Virginia Beach in November, 2016, not to mention a small pile of cash, paid out in $2 bills – Virginia is the State of Jefferson after all! > > > > The deadline to apply is September 15, 2016. The application can be found on both the NABS as well as the NFBV websites, and is attached to this announcement. Inquiries and non-hoax related emails may be made to Brian Miller, chair of the scholarship committee, at: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','brianrmiller88 at gmail.com');. If you are vigilant, you just might catch Dr. Miller at the national convention in Orlando, where you can ask about the scholarship, or questions of a generally historical nature. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Brian Miller From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Sun Jun 5 18:42:04 2016 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 14:42:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about SSI In-Reply-To: <360751B5-8610-41EE-9AF5-A787C1EEDD19@coe.edu> References: <5750e57c.0b59810a.3d74.ffff8f96@mx.google.com> <360751B5-8610-41EE-9AF5-A787C1EEDD19@coe.edu> Message-ID: Hello Kennedy, Thank you for providing this information. It is good to know that Social Security reduces the amount of the check you receive if you are not paying rent. However, as I understand it, most people who attend NFB training centers such as the Louisiana Center for the Blind do not pay rent as this is generally paid as a part of attending an NFB training center. Therefore, I do not see what the difference would be in terms of the amount of Social Security would be. However, with this said, I believe it is a good practice to pay rent as an adult while living with your parents. Even if someone lives nearby on campus, but then comes home on the weekends to do laundry, eat some nice home cooking food, and use the internet while staying the night, these are all expenses that require money, even if someone is just using these services on a limited basis on the weekends. Paying a small amount of rent on a monthly basis will satisfy the rent requirement from Social Security while demonstrating to your parents that you are a responsible adult who is willing to help contribute to household expenses. While this may not automatically mean that your parents will treat you like an adult rather than a child, taking steps in acting like a responsible adult will more likely lead to your parents interacting with you as an adult rather than a child. Anyway, I hope this information is helpful. Warm regards, Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 11:44 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: KENNEDY STOMBERG Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI Hello. I didn't report my change of address until after I had arrived. So, if your Social Security representative isn't great at answering phone calls, you can leave a voicemail for them. If they don't get back to you, just keep calling until they answer so you can tell them that you have changed your address. As for living in your dorm, you may still want to report that, especially if you will not be paying rent at your home. This is important, because if you do not pay rent, they may reduce the amount that you get paid. I hope this helps! :-) Kennedy Stomberg (218)295-2391 > On Jun 2, 2016, at 9:03 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi All, > I have a couple of questions regarding SSI. > I am going to graduate from LCB in two weeks and moving back home for the summer, so I know that I will need to report that I am living back home. How far in advance do I need to do this, bearing in mind that my social security rep is not the best at answering calls? > Secondly, I am going to be moving to my dorm in August. The college that I am staying at is only 20 minutes away from home, which means that I can always go home on weekends and can come and go as I please. I would obviously be staying at home for breaks also. Would I still need to report about staying in the dorm? > Thanks, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com From freespirit328 at gmail.com Sun Jun 5 18:54:30 2016 From: freespirit328 at gmail.com (Jennifer Aberdeen) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 14:54:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about SSI In-Reply-To: References: <5750e57c.0b59810a.3d74.ffff8f96@mx.google.com><360751B5-8610-41EE-9AF5-A787C1EEDD19@coe.edu> Message-ID: <7C213E1672E149CD9D7E005411484C7E@JenniferPC> Hello, I just wanted to put my two cents in regarding SSI. I think it depends on the state you live in whether your amount gets reduced or not. I started receiving SSI when I turned eighteen, received the full amount while living with my parents and I did not pay rent. I paid for things like telephone and cable, but not rent. Later, I attended the Carroll Center for five months and still received my full amount...I too went home on the weekends though. Now I live in my own apartment and of course pay rent so I get the full amount. Social Security never asked me anything and never said anything to me about where I lived. I live in Rhode Island. Don't know if it makes a difference, but I'm guessing it all depends on which state you live in. Jen -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 2:42 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI Hello Kennedy, Thank you for providing this information. It is good to know that Social Security reduces the amount of the check you receive if you are not paying rent. However, as I understand it, most people who attend NFB training centers such as the Louisiana Center for the Blind do not pay rent as this is generally paid as a part of attending an NFB training center. Therefore, I do not see what the difference would be in terms of the amount of Social Security would be. However, with this said, I believe it is a good practice to pay rent as an adult while living with your parents. Even if someone lives nearby on campus, but then comes home on the weekends to do laundry, eat some nice home cooking food, and use the internet while staying the night, these are all expenses that require money, even if someone is just using these services on a limited basis on the weekends. Paying a small amount of rent on a monthly basis will satisfy the rent requirement from Social Security while demonstrating to your parents that you are a responsible adult who is willing to help contribute to household expenses. While this may not automatically mean that your parents will treat you like an adult rather than a child, taking steps in acting like a responsible adult will more likely lead to your parents interacting with you as an adult rather than a child. Anyway, I hope this information is helpful. Warm regards, Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 11:44 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: KENNEDY STOMBERG Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI Hello. I didn't report my change of address until after I had arrived. So, if your Social Security representative isn't great at answering phone calls, you can leave a voicemail for them. If they don't get back to you, just keep calling until they answer so you can tell them that you have changed your address. As for living in your dorm, you may still want to report that, especially if you will not be paying rent at your home. This is important, because if you do not pay rent, they may reduce the amount that you get paid. I hope this helps! :-) Kennedy Stomberg (218)295-2391 > On Jun 2, 2016, at 9:03 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi All, > I have a couple of questions regarding SSI. > I am going to graduate from LCB in two weeks and moving back home for the summer, so I know that I will need to report that I am living back home. How far in advance do I need to do this, bearing in mind that my social security rep is not the best at answering calls? > Secondly, I am going to be moving to my dorm in August. The college that I am staying at is only 20 minutes away from home, which means that I can always go home on weekends and can come and go as I please. I would obviously be staying at home for breaks also. Would I still need to report about staying in the dorm? > Thanks, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freespirit328%40gmail.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From kestomberg at coe.edu Sun Jun 5 18:56:10 2016 From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 13:56:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about SSI In-Reply-To: References: <5750e57c.0b59810a.3d74.ffff8f96@mx.google.com> <360751B5-8610-41EE-9AF5-A787C1EEDD19@coe.edu> Message-ID: <6961FFE7-EF00-4E4B-A453-7022EECEF77B@coe.edu> I don't know how Social Security works with the training centers, as I have never attended one. However, I do know that when I was at home with my parents, and I wasn't paying rent, Social Security reduce the amount of money I get each month. Just another reason to pay rent to you when you are at home. :-) Plus, as Elizabeth pointed out, it demonstrates maturity. :-) Kennedy Stomberg (218)295-2391 > On Jun 5, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello Kennedy, > > Thank you for providing this information. It is good to know that Social > Security reduces the amount of the check you receive if you are not paying > rent. However, as I understand it, most people who attend NFB training > centers such as the Louisiana Center for the Blind do not pay rent as this > is generally paid as a part of attending an NFB training center. Therefore, > I do not see what the difference would be in terms of the amount of Social > Security would be. > > However, with this said, I believe it is a good practice to pay rent as an > adult while living with your parents. Even if someone lives nearby on > campus, but then comes home on the weekends to do laundry, eat some nice > home cooking food, and use the internet while staying the night, these are > all expenses that require money, even if someone is just using these > services on a limited basis on the weekends. Paying a small amount of rent > on a monthly basis will satisfy the rent requirement from Social Security > while demonstrating to your parents that you are a responsible adult who is > willing to help contribute to household expenses. While this may not > automatically mean that your parents will treat you like an adult rather > than a child, taking steps in acting like a responsible adult will more > likely lead to your parents interacting with you as an adult rather than a > child. > > Anyway, I hope this information is helpful. > > Warm regards, > Elizabeth > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of KENNEDY > STOMBERG via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 11:44 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: KENNEDY STOMBERG > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI > > Hello. > > I didn't report my change of address until after I had arrived. So, if your > Social Security representative isn't great at answering phone calls, you can > leave a voicemail for them. If they don't get back to you, just keep calling > until they answer so you can tell them that you have changed your address. > As for living in your dorm, you may still want to report that, especially if > you will not be paying rent at your home. This is important, because if you > do not pay rent, they may reduce the amount that you get paid. > I hope this helps! :-) > > Kennedy Stomberg > (218)295-2391 > >>> On Jun 2, 2016, at 9:03 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> I have a couple of questions regarding SSI. >> I am going to graduate from LCB in two weeks and moving back home for the > summer, so I know that I will need to report that I am living back home. > How far in advance do I need to do this, bearing in mind that my social > security rep is not the best at answering calls? >> Secondly, I am going to be moving to my dorm in August. The college that > I am staying at is only 20 minutes away from home, which means that I can > always go home on weekends and can come and go as I please. I would > obviously be staying at home for breaks also. Would I still need to report > about staying in the dorm? >> Thanks, >> Vejas >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu From kestomberg at coe.edu Sun Jun 5 18:57:58 2016 From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 13:57:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about SSI In-Reply-To: <7C213E1672E149CD9D7E005411484C7E@JenniferPC> References: <5750e57c.0b59810a.3d74.ffff8f96@mx.google.com> <360751B5-8610-41EE-9AF5-A787C1EEDD19@coe.edu> <7C213E1672E149CD9D7E005411484C7E@JenniferPC> Message-ID: <87A33FD1-78A4-4E90-A96B-1524BE31B99C@coe.edu> Wow! You got lucky! I didn't realize it might depend on the state where you live. That is a good point :-) thank you for pointing it out! Kennedy Stomberg (218)295-2391 > On Jun 5, 2016, at 1:54 PM, Jennifer Aberdeen via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello, > > I just wanted to put my two cents in regarding SSI. > > I think it depends on the state you live in whether your amount gets reduced or not. I started receiving SSI when I turned eighteen, received the full amount while living with my parents and I did not pay rent. I paid for things like telephone and cable, but not rent. > > Later, I attended the Carroll Center for five months and still received my full amount...I too went home on the weekends though. > > Now I live in my own apartment and of course pay rent so I get the full amount. > > Social Security never asked me anything and never said anything to me about where I lived. I live in Rhode Island. Don't know if it makes a difference, but I'm guessing it all depends on which state you live in. > > Jen > -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L > Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 2:42 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI > > Hello Kennedy, > > Thank you for providing this information. It is good to know that Social > Security reduces the amount of the check you receive if you are not paying > rent. However, as I understand it, most people who attend NFB training > centers such as the Louisiana Center for the Blind do not pay rent as this > is generally paid as a part of attending an NFB training center. Therefore, > I do not see what the difference would be in terms of the amount of Social > Security would be. > > However, with this said, I believe it is a good practice to pay rent as an > adult while living with your parents. Even if someone lives nearby on > campus, but then comes home on the weekends to do laundry, eat some nice > home cooking food, and use the internet while staying the night, these are > all expenses that require money, even if someone is just using these > services on a limited basis on the weekends. Paying a small amount of rent > on a monthly basis will satisfy the rent requirement from Social Security > while demonstrating to your parents that you are a responsible adult who is > willing to help contribute to household expenses. While this may not > automatically mean that your parents will treat you like an adult rather > than a child, taking steps in acting like a responsible adult will more > likely lead to your parents interacting with you as an adult rather than a > child. > > Anyway, I hope this information is helpful. > > Warm regards, > Elizabeth > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of KENNEDY > STOMBERG via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 11:44 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: KENNEDY STOMBERG > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI > > Hello. > > I didn't report my change of address until after I had arrived. So, if your > Social Security representative isn't great at answering phone calls, you can > leave a voicemail for them. If they don't get back to you, just keep calling > until they answer so you can tell them that you have changed your address. > As for living in your dorm, you may still want to report that, especially if > you will not be paying rent at your home. This is important, because if you > do not pay rent, they may reduce the amount that you get paid. > I hope this helps! :-) > > Kennedy Stomberg > (218)295-2391 > >>> On Jun 2, 2016, at 9:03 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> I have a couple of questions regarding SSI. >> I am going to graduate from LCB in two weeks and moving back home for the > summer, so I know that I will need to report that I am living back home. > How far in advance do I need to do this, bearing in mind that my social > security rep is not the best at answering calls? >> Secondly, I am going to be moving to my dorm in August. The college that > I am staying at is only 20 minutes away from home, which means that I can > always go home on weekends and can come and go as I please. I would > obviously be staying at home for breaks also. Would I still need to report > about staying in the dorm? >> Thanks, >> Vejas >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freespirit328%40gmail.com > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Sun Jun 5 19:19:00 2016 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 15:19:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about SSI In-Reply-To: <7C213E1672E149CD9D7E005411484C7E@JenniferPC> References: <5750e57c.0b59810a.3d74.ffff8f96@mx.google.com><360751B5-8610-41EE-9AF5-A787C1EEDD19@coe.edu> <7C213E1672E149CD9D7E005411484C7E@JenniferPC> Message-ID: Hello Jen, Thank you for providing your experience with Social Security. When I lived with my parents, I simply provided them with a monthly rent check to help them pay for things like food, utilities, and other household expenses. I found this arrangement to work well for me as my parents could use the money to pay for household expenses as they saw fit while complying with the rent requirement for Social Security. However, when there were unexpected expenses, or a temporary loss of income to my parents, I would usually chip in a little bit more than what was agreed upon for my monthly rent. In my opinion, there is no such thing as a free lunch, so people need to be able to afford the services they use either by paying for them with money or through some sort of work in exchange for these services. For example, if someone is willing to make meals for the entire family while living with their parents, I think this is something that should be considered when negotiating the amount for a monthly rent given the limited income a person receives from Social Security. However, these are simply my thoughts on this matter, and not everyone may agree with them. I simply hope this information is helpful to someone on this email list. Warm regards, Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jennifer Aberdeen via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 2:55 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Jennifer Aberdeen Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI Hello, I just wanted to put my two cents in regarding SSI. I think it depends on the state you live in whether your amount gets reduced or not. I started receiving SSI when I turned eighteen, received the full amount while living with my parents and I did not pay rent. I paid for things like telephone and cable, but not rent. Later, I attended the Carroll Center for five months and still received my full amount...I too went home on the weekends though. Now I live in my own apartment and of course pay rent so I get the full amount. Social Security never asked me anything and never said anything to me about where I lived. I live in Rhode Island. Don't know if it makes a difference, but I'm guessing it all depends on which state you live in. Jen -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 2:42 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI Hello Kennedy, Thank you for providing this information. It is good to know that Social Security reduces the amount of the check you receive if you are not paying rent. However, as I understand it, most people who attend NFB training centers such as the Louisiana Center for the Blind do not pay rent as this is generally paid as a part of attending an NFB training center. Therefore, I do not see what the difference would be in terms of the amount of Social Security would be. However, with this said, I believe it is a good practice to pay rent as an adult while living with your parents. Even if someone lives nearby on campus, but then comes home on the weekends to do laundry, eat some nice home cooking food, and use the internet while staying the night, these are all expenses that require money, even if someone is just using these services on a limited basis on the weekends. Paying a small amount of rent on a monthly basis will satisfy the rent requirement from Social Security while demonstrating to your parents that you are a responsible adult who is willing to help contribute to household expenses. While this may not automatically mean that your parents will treat you like an adult rather than a child, taking steps in acting like a responsible adult will more likely lead to your parents interacting with you as an adult rather than a child. Anyway, I hope this information is helpful. Warm regards, Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 11:44 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: KENNEDY STOMBERG Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI Hello. I didn't report my change of address until after I had arrived. So, if your Social Security representative isn't great at answering phone calls, you can leave a voicemail for them. If they don't get back to you, just keep calling until they answer so you can tell them that you have changed your address. As for living in your dorm, you may still want to report that, especially if you will not be paying rent at your home. This is important, because if you do not pay rent, they may reduce the amount that you get paid. I hope this helps! :-) Kennedy Stomberg (218)295-2391 > On Jun 2, 2016, at 9:03 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi All, > I have a couple of questions regarding SSI. > I am going to graduate from LCB in two weeks and moving back home for > the summer, so I know that I will need to report that I am living back home. How far in advance do I need to do this, bearing in mind that my social security rep is not the best at answering calls? > Secondly, I am going to be moving to my dorm in August. The college > that I am staying at is only 20 minutes away from home, which means that I can always go home on weekends and can come and go as I please. I would obviously be staying at home for breaks also. Would I still need to report about staying in the dorm? > Thanks, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.e > du _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freespirit328%40gmail.co m --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com From jsoro620 at gmail.com Mon Jun 6 01:05:29 2016 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 21:05:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Back for a Seeing Eye Dog, One Year Later Message-ID: <000301d1bf8f$85281480$8f783d80$@gmail.com> You guys remember my controversial post about guide dogs? 5 reasons why it's a terrible idea? Well, here's a sequel of sorts. Life one year later, primarily aimed at anyone still weighing the pros and cons of getting a guide dog: *** What's it like to use a Seeing Eye dog? Think of it this way: You close your eyes and take the elbow of a well-known person willing to guide you around tables, chairs, out the door, across the street, down the stairs and along a platform until you find the door to a train car where this traveling companion can be trusted to help you find an open seat. And your trust is absolute because between the ears of this human companion you know there is an intelligent brain capable of negotiating obstacles, anticipating danger and prioritizing safety. But, that's a human. Would you put the same level of trust in an animal? Even a highly trained canine? The Decision Process I first went to The Seeing Eye in the summer of 2004 to get my first dog, a two-year-old German shepherd named Gator. We worked together until the winter of 2012. He worked until I had to put him down, because the abdominal cancer had grown too large for anything to be done about it. Never mind that his health results had come back clean only six weeks prior. Read the rest of the article here: http://joeorozco.com/blog_back_for_a_seeing_eye_dog_one_year_later Joe -- Musings of a Work in Progress: www.JoeOrozco.com/ Twitter: @ScribblingJoe From dandrews at visi.com Mon Jun 6 01:05:46 2016 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 20:05:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Braille Sense u2 32 cell for sale Message-ID: > >One gently used 32 cell Braille Sense u2 for sale. The unit comes >with an English and Spanish Dictionary, and an Executive Products >leather case, and the charger. >Asking $2700. Shipping and handling is included if in the united states. >If interested, please e-mail me at dravant at ameritech.net. >Thank you. From ligne14 at verizon.net Mon Jun 6 11:54:47 2016 From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2016 07:54:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about SSI Message-ID: <0O8C009QHMFWW640@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> Hi Elizabeth, Wow. I never knew that you were required to pay rent with Social Secuy. I'm not required to do this. Do yink that this may have changed from when you applied to when I did? Or does it depend on the state? I still get the full amount of SSI benefits even though I'm at the training center and have my parent's address as my address for Social Security. I live in NY. Also, I have always been fine; my Social Security office has never confronted me about what I do with my checks, and never told me anything about being required to pay rent. Like you, I also transfer my monthly benefits to my parent's bankccount so that they would have enough money to pay for what they need. Thanks, Sami ----- Original Message ----- From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote: Hi All, I have a couple of questions regarding SSI. I am going to graduate from LCB in two weeks and moving back home for the summer, so I know that I will need to report that I am living back home. How far in advance do I need to do this, bearing in mind that my social security rep is not the best at answering calls? Secondly, I am going to be moving to my dorm in August. The college that I am staying at is only 20 minutes away from home, which means that I can always go home on weekends and can come and go as I please. I would obviously be staying at home for breaks also. Would I still need to report about staying in the dorm? Thanks, Vejas _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40 coe.e du _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40h otmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freespirit328 %40gmail.co m --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40h otmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ligne14%40ver izon.net From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com Tue Jun 7 15:09:20 2016 From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 11:09:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Michael Ausbun for NABS Secretary In-Reply-To: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B012BA242@UBOX2.unr.edu> References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B012BA242@UBOX2.unr.edu> Message-ID: <02c601d1c0ce$920fa5b0$b62ef110$@gmail.com> All, Michael is a passionate, level-headed, driven, and positive leader, scholar, and friend. This past year, I was fortunate enough to have Michael as the co-chair of the Fundraising Committee for the National Association of Blind Students. His work on both the NABS Board, as well as with his state affiliate and others he partners with, is influential to all. As the current NABS Secretary, I am confident in Michael's abilities to effectively communicate to our members, our leaders, and perspective members of the national Federation of the Blind. Michael is punctual, mindful, and dedicated, while holding those accountable and holding himself accountable. His commitment does not stop there. Recently, Michael has taken on a position as a Summer Intern at our national headquarters, the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute, and will gain valuable information that, I'm certain, will develop him even further as a strong leader on our student division board. As Fundraising Chair, I have worked closely with Michael to reach the various goals we set forth last July. Thinking back over the past ten months of working, Michael has brought realistic ideas to the table, while reaching outside the box. Michael is quiet, yet outspoken. His creative balanced well with my analytical and logical mind. We were a great team and I look forward to continuing the work we have done; and forwarding our movement for all blind students. With just three weeks until Convention, I am asking each of you to consider Michael as an incredible candidate with promising leadership and potential. I know I will be voting for him as NABS Secretary on Friday, July 1, and I hope you will be, too! See you in Orlando, Kathryn Webster Secretary/Treasurer | National Association of Blind Students -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael D Ausbun via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 12:51 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Michael D Ausbun Subject: [nabs-l] Michael Ausbun for NABS Secretary Howdy Nabsters: My name is Michael Ausbun, and I am a senior at the University of Nevada, studying Philosophy, Political Science, Communication studies, and anthropology. I am writing today, in order to declare my intent to run for the National Association of Blind Student's Secretary Position. For the past two years, I have served in a variety of secretarial positions, including secretary of the Nevada Association of Blind Students, the Blue Key honor Society, The Students Abolishing Sex-Slavery at the University of Nevada club, and the Kappa Sigma Fraternity, Tau-Gamma chapter. Additionally, I have served this past year on the NABS board as one of our four board members, and as the first vice president of the Nevada Affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind; and therefore, I have observed what it takes to successfully implement the duties of the secretary position at the state and national levels. Truly, having the honor to guide and advise students as they traverse the path to transform their dreams into reality has been one of the best moments over this past year, and, I hope that I will be granted the opportunity to continue doing the work that is critical for creating, and developing, equity for blind students across the country. If you have questions about the individualized projects I have thought up concerning both the secretary position and nabs as a whole, please do not hesitate to ask! I look forward to visiting with many of you that I have had the pleasure of meeting at National convention, and for those I have not met yet, I am excited to establish lifetime friendships! Yours in the movement, Michael Ausbun Board member, National Association of Blind Students Secretary, Nevada Association of Blind Students First Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Nevada "The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you, or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. Together with love, hope, and determination, we transform dreams into reality." _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kathrynwebster.nfb%40gma il.com From kaybaycar at gmail.com Tue Jun 7 15:32:38 2016 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 11:32:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Michael Ausbun for NABS Secretary In-Reply-To: <02c601d1c0ce$920fa5b0$b62ef110$@gmail.com> References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B012BA242@UBOX2.unr.edu> <02c601d1c0ce$920fa5b0$b62ef110$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I am currently working with Michael at the NFB Jernigan Institute as a summer intern. To give you an idea, he was at the office this morning at 7:25 AM, even though we are not required to be here until 8:00. He is a dedicated worker, helpful to those of us who tend to struggle with our technology, and cares deeply for the movement. As a division president myself, I can say that I would be thrilled to work with Michael as a colleague on a leadership team. So, NABS, we had better elect Michael as secretary, or the Performing Arts Division may just adopt him... :) Looking forward to seeing many of you at convention! P.S. Don't forget to check out the Performing Arts Division activities, which do not conflict with NABS events this year! On 6/7/16, Kathryn Webster via NABS-L wrote: > All, > > Michael is a passionate, level-headed, driven, and positive leader, > scholar, and friend. This past year, I was fortunate enough to have Michael > as the co-chair of the Fundraising Committee for the National Association > of > Blind Students. His work on both the NABS Board, as well as with his state > affiliate and others he partners with, is influential to all. As the > current > NABS Secretary, I am confident in Michael's abilities to effectively > communicate to our members, our leaders, and perspective members of the > national Federation of the Blind. Michael is punctual, mindful, and > dedicated, while holding those accountable and holding himself accountable. > His commitment does not stop there. Recently, Michael has taken on a > position as a Summer Intern at our national headquarters, the National > Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute, and will gain valuable > information that, I'm certain, will develop him even further as a strong > leader on our student division board. > > As Fundraising Chair, I have worked closely with Michael to reach the > various goals we set forth last July. Thinking back over the past ten > months > of working, Michael has brought realistic ideas to the table, while > reaching > outside the box. Michael is quiet, yet outspoken. His creative balanced > well > with my analytical and logical mind. We were a great team and I look > forward > to continuing the work we have done; and forwarding our movement for all > blind students. > > With just three weeks until Convention, I am asking each of you to consider > Michael as an incredible candidate with promising leadership and potential. > I know I will be voting for him as NABS Secretary on Friday, July 1, and I > hope you will be, too! > > See you in Orlando, > Kathryn Webster > Secretary/Treasurer | National Association of Blind Students > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael D > Ausbun via NABS-L > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 12:51 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Michael D Ausbun > Subject: [nabs-l] Michael Ausbun for NABS Secretary > > Howdy Nabsters: > My name is Michael Ausbun, and I am a senior at the University of > Nevada, studying Philosophy, Political Science, Communication studies, and > anthropology. I am writing today, in order to declare my intent to run for > the National Association of Blind Student's Secretary Position. For the > past > two years, I have served in a variety of secretarial positions, including > secretary of the Nevada Association of Blind Students, the Blue Key honor > Society, The Students Abolishing Sex-Slavery at the University of Nevada > club, and the Kappa Sigma Fraternity, Tau-Gamma chapter. > Additionally, I have served this past year on the NABS board as one > of our four board members, and as the first vice president of the Nevada > Affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind; and therefore, I have > observed what it takes to successfully implement the duties of the > secretary > position at the state and national levels. Truly, having the honor to guide > and advise students as they traverse the path to transform their dreams > into > reality has been one of the best moments over this past year, and, I hope > that I will be granted the opportunity to continue doing the work that is > critical for creating, and developing, equity for blind students across the > country. > If you have questions about the individualized projects I have thought up > concerning both the secretary position and nabs as a whole, please do not > hesitate to ask! I look forward to visiting with many of you that I have > had > the pleasure of meeting at National convention, and for those I have not > met > yet, I am excited to establish lifetime friendships! > Yours in the movement, > Michael Ausbun > Board member, National Association of Blind Students Secretary, Nevada > Association of Blind Students First Vice President, National Federation of > the Blind of Nevada > > "The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the > characteristic that defines you, or your future. Every day we raise the > expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles > between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; > blindness is not what holds you back. Together with love, hope, and > determination, we transform dreams into reality." > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kathrynwebster.nfb%40gma > il.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie A. McGinnity President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division, Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri "For we walk by faith, not by sight" 2 Cor. 7 From annajee82 at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 16:01:01 2016 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 10:01:01 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS board position Message-ID: <631331E6-83C1-476F-9741-8D337796DE02@gmail.com> Hi NABS, My name is Anna Givens. I currently attend the University of Colorado in Denver, studying Biology and Neuroscience. Among other things. i have been involved with the National Federation of the Blind for a few years now. I currently serve as the President of the Colorado Association of Blind Students. Since I have become President of this state wide division, I have had the pleasure of working with my team to do some rebuilding and membership strengthening and we have seen some growth just in the last few months already. We've had some exciting events and very informative seminars as well. It has been an excellent experience getting to work with students and with the affiliate in this capacity. Besides this work. I have worked with many blind students in different areas. I have set up meetings with blind students at my school to see what challenges they may be facing and find a way to help them face these things. I have talked to many students at the Colorado Center for the Blind where I graduated from a few years back. This has given me the opportunity to learn about the challenges of a wide variety of the blind population. I have presented them with information and made efforts to get these students involved in important work of the Federation. I speak to a number of groups about current legislation, accommodating blind students, and advocacy. I am also particularly passionate about helping blind people gain access to science. This is a challenge many students face and there is no reason for it. I have done some teaching to blind students in science to not only help them understand the material but also learn new non-visual techniques. I work a lot with the Colorado Center for the Blind as well. I often participate in activities teaching or working with blind children in various capacities in order for them to have positive experiences and learn blindness related skills. I go to Colorado Springs to mentor middle and high school students every month. I would say mentoring is my favorite part of my work. Watching people grow and learn and being a part of that is entirely worth all the work I do! I have started to expand my work to Teachers of Blind Children to make sure students are properly prepared for college and life beyond school. These are the main things I do specifically for blind people. In other areas, I am involved with programs like the Community Nutrition Network that promote and educate people on health and nutrition to prevent disease. I also am involved with the Chemistry and Biology Club. One of my favorite things we do is going to middle schools to assist students in dissections or other lab procedures. I have been involved in some faculty education, providing education on working with students with disabilities on campus. I enjoy participating in Help for the Homeless too, in food drives, clothing give aways and other service. Community service in general is something I find extremely important. Additionally, I am honored to be attending this year's national convention as an NFB of Colorado scholarship winner. Now, I am looking to expand my leadership opportunities in order to continue the work we are doing. I have been working with many members of the NABS board throughout the last few years and have participated in leadership seminars to help develop and share my leadership strategies. I would like to ask for your support in obtaining a board member position with NABS. I am excited about the opportunity and am really looking forward to working with even more students and making a difference in their lives. It is such a pleasure to know each of you, whether I've officially met you or not. I sincerely look forward to meeting many more of you at the end of this month in Orlando. Please reach out to me with any questions you may have. Thank you, Anna E Givens Anna E Givens From annajee82 at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 01:26:51 2016 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 19:26:51 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [blindkid] Seeking help from students in grades 4 through 12 at convention References: Message-ID: <7E037865-996E-4FE4-84C4-33549DFF8B02@gmail.com> Here is a good opportunity for students. Anna E Givens Begin forwarded message: > From: "Yingling, Valerie via blindkid" > Date: June 8, 2016 at 1:58:36 PM MDT > To: "'blindkid at nfbnet.org'" > Cc: "Yingling, Valerie" > Subject: [blindkid] Seeking help from students in grades 4 through 12 at convention > Reply-To: "Blind Kid Mailing List, \(for parents of blind children\)" > > The NFB is seeking blind and low-vision students who completed grades 4 through 12 this year to help with Pearson user testing at convention. Students should be at or near grade level. Participants will receive gift cards and will help with the development of accessible digital tools and content. Visit the recruitment tool to participate, or contact Valerie Yingling with questions: vyingling at nfb.org. > > Valerie Yingling > Paralegal > National Federation of the Blind > (410) 659-9314, extension 2440 > Vyingling at nfb.org > > Disclaimer > > The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. > > This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. > _______________________________________________ > blindkid mailing list > blindkid at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindkid_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindkid: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindkid_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 13:49:30 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 09:49:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS board position Message-ID: <57597417.41f30d0a.1d8ad.057b@mx.google.com> Hi Anna thanks for your message. I hope you get this position. From Vyingling at nfb.org Thu Jun 9 18:35:54 2016 From: Vyingling at nfb.org (Yingling, Valerie) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 18:35:54 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking students who have completed Algebra 1 to help with Pearson user testing at convention In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As a part of the NFB's work with Pearson, we are helping to recruit participants for Pearson's user studies during the NFB convention. We are really excited about this opportunity and need to try to recruit as many qualified participants as possible. We are seeking students who completed Algebra 1 or a higher level math class this past school year to help with the user testing. Students should be at or near grade level and should be screen access software users and/or Braille and Nemeth readers. Participants will receive gift cards and will help with the development of accessible digital tools and content. Visit the recruitment tool (https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/NFB18over) to participate, or contact Valerie Yingling with questions: vyingling at nfb.org. Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. From clb5590 at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 22:41:33 2016 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 15:41:33 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Scholarship for students with disabilities pursuing careers in communications, media, or entertainment Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Scott Bellman Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 14:11:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [AccessSTEM] AAPD Scholarship - deadline July 1, 2016 To: accessstem at u.washington.edu AAPD is offering scholarships to students with disabilities this year. More information here: www.aapd.com/nbcuniversal-tony-coelho-media-scholarship-program/ Regards, Scott Bellman DO-IT Program Manager UW Information Technology DO-IT (www.washington.edu/doit) University of Washington, Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 206-685-6222 206-685-3648(TTY) _______________________________________________ AccessSTEM mailing list AccessSTEM at u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/accessstem -- Cindy Bennett 2nd Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington Human Centered Design and Engineering Treasurer of the National Federation of the Blind of Washington an Affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind clb5590 at gmail.com From syedrizvinfb at gmail.com Fri Jun 10 00:13:14 2016 From: syedrizvinfb at gmail.com (Syed Rizvi ) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 19:13:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Vote Syed Rizvi for Second Vice President of the National Association of Blind Students Message-ID: <004901d1c2ac$e2dbbcb0$a8933610$@gmail.com> Good evening my Federation family, I hope this message finds you well. My name is Syed Rizvi and I am the President of the Massachusetts Association of Blind Students, the National Federation of the Blind of Massachusetts student division. I was brought to America by my parents when I was two years old with high hopes of having a brighter future. I have struggled with my degenerative vision since I was five years old; and have since been constantly in search of answers, guidance, and support. While I was confident in my intelligence, my lack of knowledge in regards to nonvisual methods of doing my work compelled me to fall behind my sighted counterparts. I desperately wanted success. My parents believed in me, my siblings supported me, and my friends treated me just like everyone else. Still, I worked ten times harder than those around me to achieve the same accomplishments. Two years ago, I attended my first event hosted by the National Federation of the Blind, a Massachusetts student social in Boston. I quickly, if not instantaneously, realized that finally, God had answered all my prayers. Surrounding me were all these students living the lives they wanted without blindness holding them back. Without hesitation, I immediately immersed myself with new friends and, in creating relationships, began to work to further the movement of the National Federation of the Blind. I adopted more responsibilities in terms of leadership and collaboration. My growth did not stop there, and will never cease as I continue to embrace our positive blindness philosophy. To ensure that blindness would no longer deter me from pursuing my aspirations and to solidify my philosophy, I halted my undergraduate college career, left my home of 17 years, quit my job, and flew over a thousand miles to Ruston, Louisiana. There, I attended blindness training at the Louisiana Center for the Blind, perhaps the greatest decision I have ever made. Alongside Federation leaders, newcomers, and mentors, I learned from passionate individuals in order for me to flourish in any path I decide to follow. After graduating from LCB on May 23, I returned home with a newfound understanding of the abilities of all blind people. This summer, I will be working for the Director of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) in Massachusetts to ensure that section 504 and section 508 of the rehabilitation act are properly enforced in our commonwealth. This fall, I will be venturing down to Texas start my journey as an Accounting student at the University of Texas at Austin. It was at the 75th annual national convention that I first found out about NFB training centers and the Student Division of the National Federation of the Blind. It was there that I eagerly signed up to work for every NABS committee in order to fully understand how our organization operates. For the past year, I have been working diligently alongside national student leaders. My fellow blind students, we have so much work that must be done to ensure we have equal access in higher education and in the workforce. I would not be where I am today without the support received from my Federation mentors, and I am sure that holds true for most of you as well. The relationships I've formed with current NABS leadership, as well as my state affiliate and other state student divisions demonstrates my dedication and passion for what we are fighting for each day. On Friday, July 1 , I will be running for the position of 2nd Vice President of the National Association of Blind Students. Now, I am asking for your support. Each and every vote counts as, together, we shift the leadership, refine initiatives, and initiate novel projects and ideas for the betterment of our community. I promise to continue my efforts as your 2nd VP; and to be open to suggestions, concerns, and ideas as we continue to build the National Federation of the Blind. Sincerely, Syed Rizvi President | Massachusetts Association of Blind Students From bjduarte at asu.edu Fri Jun 10 00:15:21 2016 From: bjduarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 17:15:21 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Vote Syed Rizvi for Second Vice President of the National Association of Blind Students In-Reply-To: <004901d1c2ac$e2dbbcb0$a8933610$@gmail.com> References: <004901d1c2ac$e2dbbcb0$a8933610$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Syed, You have my vote all day!!!! Go Devils! Bryan Duarte software engineer ASU Computer Science Ph.D candidate QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/ “let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.” -- St. Teresa of Avila > On Jun 9, 2016, at 5:13 PM, Syed Rizvi via NABS-L wrote: > > Good evening my Federation family, > > > > I hope this message finds you well. > > My name is Syed Rizvi and I am the President of the Massachusetts > Association of Blind Students, the National Federation of the Blind of > Massachusetts student division. I was brought to America by my parents when > I was two years old with high hopes of having a brighter future. I have > struggled with my degenerative vision since I was five years old; and have > since been constantly in search of answers, guidance, and support. While I > was confident in my intelligence, my lack of knowledge in regards to > nonvisual methods of doing my work compelled me to fall behind my sighted > counterparts. I desperately wanted success. My parents believed in me, my > siblings supported me, and my friends treated me just like everyone else. > Still, I worked ten times harder than those around me to achieve the same > accomplishments. > > > > Two years ago, I attended my first event hosted by the National Federation > of the Blind, a Massachusetts student social in Boston. I quickly, if not > instantaneously, realized that finally, God had answered all my prayers. > Surrounding me were all these students living the lives they wanted without > blindness holding them back. Without hesitation, I immediately immersed > myself with new friends and, in creating relationships, began to work to > further the movement of the National Federation of the Blind. I adopted more > responsibilities in terms of leadership and collaboration. My growth did not > stop there, and will never cease as I continue to embrace our positive > blindness philosophy. > > > > To ensure that blindness would no longer deter me from pursuing my > aspirations and to solidify my philosophy, I halted my undergraduate college > career, left my home of 17 years, quit my job, and flew over a thousand > miles to Ruston, Louisiana. There, I attended blindness training at the > Louisiana Center for the Blind, perhaps the greatest decision I have ever > made. Alongside Federation leaders, newcomers, and mentors, I learned from > passionate individuals in order for me to flourish in any path I decide to > follow. > > > > After graduating from LCB on May 23, I returned home with a newfound > understanding of the abilities of all blind people. This summer, I will be > working for the Director of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) in > Massachusetts to ensure that section 504 and section 508 of the > rehabilitation act are properly enforced in our commonwealth. This fall, I > will be venturing down to Texas start my journey as an Accounting student at > the University of Texas at Austin. > > > > It was at the 75th annual national convention that I first found out about > NFB training centers and the Student Division of the National Federation of > the Blind. It was there that I eagerly signed up to work for every NABS > committee in order to fully understand how our organization operates. For > the past year, I have been working diligently alongside national student > leaders. My fellow blind students, we have so much work that must be done to > ensure we have equal access in higher education and in the workforce. I > would not be where I am today without the support received from my > Federation mentors, and I am sure that holds true for most of you as well. > The relationships I've formed with current NABS leadership, as well as my > state affiliate and other state student divisions demonstrates my dedication > and passion for what we are fighting for each day. > > > > On Friday, July 1 , I will be running for the > position of 2nd Vice President of the National Association of Blind > Students. Now, I am asking for your support. Each and every vote counts as, > together, we shift the leadership, refine initiatives, and initiate novel > projects and ideas for the betterment of our community. I promise to > continue my efforts as your 2nd VP; and to be open to suggestions, concerns, > and ideas as we continue to build the National Federation of the Blind. > > > > Sincerely, > > Syed Rizvi > > President | Massachusetts Association of Blind Students > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bjduarte%40asu.edu From dandrews at visi.com Fri Jun 10 02:32:21 2016 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 21:32:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Room Message-ID: > >From: hannahgf88 at gmail.com >Subject: Email request >Could you please send this email out to the list I have not sent it to? > >National Federation of the Blind National Convention > >Hi. We have one spot left in our room. Looking for a non-smoker, >nonparty person, and be OK with dogs. Let me know if you're >interested. Feel free to email me at >hannahgf88 at gmail.com. > >Hannah Furney > >Hannah Furney From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Fri Jun 10 12:03:01 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 08:03:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Vote Syed Rizvi for Second Vice President of the NationalAssociation of Blind Students Message-ID: <575aaca4.455b810a.9bd2a.ffffc473@mx.google.com> Hi Sidhe thanks for your message. I lived in Boston before moving to Florida a few years ago. I hope you win this position. From martinezana770 at gmail.com Fri Jun 10 13:46:42 2016 From: martinezana770 at gmail.com (Ana Martinez) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 08:46:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Anna Givens for a board position Message-ID: I had the opportunity to work with Anna in the Colorado association of blind students board last year, working with Anna was a great experience. Since I started to get involved with CABS she always made me feel welcome, She always makes sure that everyone’s ideas and suggestions are taken into consideration and she makes everyone feel like there opinions matter. Anna is very passionate about her work in building and strengthend the CABS division as well as making sure that other students around the state can live the life they want, Once a month she goes to the state school for the blind to mentor middle and high school students, she has organized a cupple of fundraisings, and she also with the help of the rest of the CABS board has hosted a cupple of fun and informative seminars for blind students and teachers. I believe she would be a great candidate for the NABS board because of her hard work and determination of helping students to achieve greater independence and more fulfilling lives On 6/10/16, nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org wrote: > Send NABS-L mailing list submissions to > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of NABS-L digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Fwd: roommate for convention (David Andrews) > 2. NABS List Guidelines Monthly Reminder (Arielle Silverman) > 3. volunteer opportunity (Anya) > 4. Re: Michael Ausbun for NABS Secretary (Roanna Bacchus) > 5. Re: Running for a board position! (Roanna Bacchus) > 6. Question about SSI (Vejas Vasiliauskas) > 7. Re: Question about SSI (Elizabeth Mohnke) > 8. Re: Question about SSI (KENNEDY STOMBERG) > 9. Re: Question about SSI (Suzanne Germano) > 10. Re: Question about SSI (Sami Osborne) > 11. Re: NABS List Guidelines Monthly Reminder (rbacchus228 at gmail.com) > 12. Virginia 2016 James F Nelson Scholarship Program and > application (Kathryn Webster) > 13. Re: Question about SSI (Elizabeth Mohnke) > 14. Re: Question about SSI (Jennifer Aberdeen) > 15. Re: Question about SSI (KENNEDY STOMBERG) > 16. Re: Question about SSI (KENNEDY STOMBERG) > 17. Re: Question about SSI (Elizabeth Mohnke) > 18. Back for a Seeing Eye Dog, One Year Later (Joe) > 19. Fwd: Braille Sense u2 32 cell for sale (David Andrews) > 20. Re: Question about SSI (Sami Osborne) > 21. Re: Michael Ausbun for NABS Secretary (Kathryn Webster) > 22. Re: Michael Ausbun for NABS Secretary (Julie McGinnity) > 23. NABS board position (annajee82 at gmail.com) > 24. Fwd: [blindkid] Seeking help from students in grades 4 > through 12 at convention (annajee82 at gmail.com) > 25. Re: NABS board position (Roanna Bacchus) > 26. Seeking students who have completed Algebra 1 to help with > Pearson user testing at convention (Yingling, Valerie) > 27. Scholarship for students with disabilities pursuing careers > in communications, media, or entertainment (Cindy Bennett) > 28. Vote Syed Rizvi for Second Vice President of the National > Association of Blind Students (Syed Rizvi ) > 29. Re: Vote Syed Rizvi for Second Vice President of the National > Association of Blind Students (Bryan Duarte) > 30. Room (David Andrews) > 31. Re: Vote Syed Rizvi for Second Vice President of the > NationalAssociation of Blind Students (Roanna Bacchus) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2016 16:33:59 -0500 > From: David Andrews > To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: roommate for convention > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed > > >> >>In need of a roommate or a reservation >> >>If someone is in need of a female roommate or >>has a reservation that they are? not going to >>need please contact Donna Prime in the Iowa >>affiliate at >>dprime27 at gmail.com , >>one of my members was not able to get a >>reservation for the? last 3 nights of the? convention.? Thank you. >> >>Donna Prime, President >>National Federation of the Blind of Iowa >>dprime27 at gmail.com >>319.321.8769 >> >>The National Federation of the Blind knows that >>blindness is not the characteristic that defines >>you or your future. Every day we raise the >>expectations of blind people, because low >>expectations create obstacles between blind >>people and our dreams. You can live the life you >>want; blindness is not what holds you back. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 17:53:44 -0400 > From: Arielle Silverman > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] NABS List Guidelines Monthly Reminder > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > NABS List Guidelines > > 1. Be respectful. > A. This Listserv is a great forum in which we can all express our > opinions. Sometimes we will disagree. However, when responding to a > post, always be respectful. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and > personal attacks and degrading comments will not be tolerated. > B. All posts must be appropriate for a wide audience, including > readers younger than 18 years old. Profanity and sexual content will > not be allowed. > C. Remember that all list messages appear on a public archive. Please > respect other people?s privacy by not posting details about their > lives or experiences. Even if you post about somebody without using > their name, their identity can be discovered. Also remember that if > you post your phone number on list, others could access it via a > Google search. > > 2. Reducing List Clutter > A. Please stay on topic. This list is about blindness and issues > related to being a blind student or job-seeker. Posts about religion > or politics, advertisements, queries asking to add list members on > social media, or any other posts unrelated to blindness are not > allowed, as they create too much list clutter unrelated to the list > purpose. The exception is that advertisements for blindness programs > and announcements about blindness-related research projects are > permitted. The moderators and NABS board reserve the right to close > down any discussion that is off-topic. > B. Please respect readers? time by consolidating your ideas into one > or two messages per day instead of posting many short replies to a > topic. Rule of thumb is to post in a way to further the conversation, > instead of just saying ?I agree?. > C. When you would like to write someone off list or offer to connect > with someone by Skype or social media, do so privately. You do not > have to write one liners to every person you?d like to email off list. > If you develop a conversation with that person, that?s great, if they > feel they do not want to respond that is their right too. > D. If an off-topic message appears on the list, please do not respond > to it. Instead, please either delete it or forward it to a list > moderator. Single off-topic messages create much less clutter than > long threads debating whether or not the initial post is appropriate > for the list. > If you send a message the moderators feel is off-topic, you will > receive an off-list request not to send any more messages of this > kind. If you disagree with the moderator?s ruling, feel free to reply > and make your case, and we will be more than happy to listen. But the > list committee has final authority regarding what is and is not > appropriate for the list. Repeated violations of the guidelines could > result in disciplinary action from the list owner, including list > removal. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 22:27:35 -0500 > From: Anya > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: [nabs-l] volunteer opportunity > Message-ID: <574FA7A7.7030500 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > Hey Kathryn, > this is Anya, the president of the Kansas Association of Blind Students. > I was writing because I'm interested in volunteering at exhibit hall > table at the national convention. I'm also working for Blind Inc, and it > requires a lot of work, but I still would like to volunteer, and I'd > appreciate if you'd provide me the times when I could help the NABS. > Please let me know if there are any availabilities at this time, and I > will try my best to take on a shift. > Best regards, > A > > On 6/1/2016 9:26 AM, Kathryn Webster via NABS-L wrote: >> Good morning students! >> >> >> >> The 2016 National Federation of the Blind National >> Convention agenda is now available online at www.nfb.org/convention >> . >> >> For your convenience, I have attached a .docx version, as well. >> >> >> >> See you soon, >> >> Kathryn Webster >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annita.co.usa%40gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2016 08:56:58 -0400 > From: Roanna Bacchus > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Michael Ausbun for NABS Secretary > Message-ID: <57502d3b.8847810a.2c24e.0cdf at mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Michael thanks for your message. Congratulations on running > for a board position. You have my full support in this endeavor. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2016 08:56:55 -0400 > From: Roanna Bacchus > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Running for a board position! > Message-ID: <57502d38.8847810a.2c24e.0cde at mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Chelsea thanks for your message. I hope you win this board > position. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2016 21:03:29 -0500 > From: Vejas Vasiliauskas > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Question about SSI > Message-ID: <5750e57c.0b59810a.3d74.ffff8f96 at mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi All, > I have a couple of questions regarding SSI. > I am going to graduate from LCB in two weeks and moving back home > for the summer, so I know that I will need to report that I am > living back home. How far in advance do I need to do this, > bearing in mind that my social security rep is not the best at > answering calls? > Secondly, I am going to be moving to my dorm in August. The > college that I am staying at is only 20 minutes away from home, > which means that I can always go home on weekends and can come > and go as I please. I would obviously be staying at home for > breaks also. Would I still need to report about staying in the > dorm? > Thanks, > Vejas > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 23:42:25 -0400 > From: Elizabeth Mohnke > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello Vejas, > > I am by no means an expert regarding Social Security, so I hope other > people > who are more knowledgeable about this subject will chime in on this > discussion. However, I thought I would take the time to answer your > questions in case no one else on the email list responds to you. > > As for your first question, I am honestly not quite sure how far in advance > you need to notify Social Security regarding your change of address, or if > you even need to submit your change of address to your assigned case > worker. > The last time I reported a change of address to Social Security, I went to > a > Social Security office in person after I moved, and reported my change of > address to which ever case worker called out my number indicating my spot > in > line. > > I believe I decided to report my change of address in person because at the > time I only had a cell phone with a limited amount of day time minutes, and > I did not want to waste my minutes waiting on hold for someone from Social > Security to answer my call. However, I cannot believe how long I have been > living in my current apartment, so perhaps contacting Social Security is a > bit easier to do these days than the last time I changed my address with > them. > > As for your second question, it seems to me if you are planning on using > your parents address as a permanent address while you are attending college > and living in a dorm that the easiest thing for you to do would be to keep > your parents address as your permanent address with Social Security. > However, I have never lived in a dorm while receiving Social Security, so > perhaps this might not necessarily be the best thing to do. It is simply > what I would probably do unless I heard someone else tell me that doing so > violates some sort of rule that goes against what seems to me the most > logical thing to do. > > Anyway, I hope you find this information to be helpful. If not, I hope > others who are more knowledgeable about Social Security matters will chime > in on this discussion. However, if you are attending national convention, > there is usually a session devoted to Social Security issues where you can > ask questions regarding Social Security. > > Warm regards, > Elizabeth > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas > Vasiliauskas via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 10:03 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas > Subject: [nabs-l] Question about SSI > > Hi All, > I have a couple of questions regarding SSI. > I am going to graduate from LCB in two weeks and moving back home for the > summer, so I know that I will need to report that I am living back home. > How far in advance do I need to do this, bearing in mind that my social > security rep is not the best at answering calls? > Secondly, I am going to be moving to my dorm in August. The college that I > am staying at is only 20 minutes away from home, which means that I can > always go home on weekends and can come and go as I please. I would > obviously be staying at home for breaks also. Would I still need to report > about staying in the dorm? > Thanks, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 22:44:15 -0500 > From: KENNEDY STOMBERG > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI > Message-ID: <360751B5-8610-41EE-9AF5-A787C1EEDD19 at coe.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hello. > > I didn't report my change of address until after I had arrived. So, if your > Social Security representative isn't great at answering phone calls, you can > leave a voicemail for them. If they don't get back to you, just keep calling > until they answer so you can tell them that you have changed your address. > As for living in your dorm, you may still want to report that, especially if > you will not be paying rent at your home. This is important, because if you > do not pay rent, they may reduce the amount that you get paid. > I hope this helps! :-) > > Kennedy Stomberg > (218)295-2391 > >> On Jun 2, 2016, at 9:03 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> I have a couple of questions regarding SSI. >> I am going to graduate from LCB in two weeks and moving back home for the >> summer, so I know that I will need to report that I am living back home. >> How far in advance do I need to do this, bearing in mind that my social >> security rep is not the best at answering calls? >> Secondly, I am going to be moving to my dorm in August. The college that >> I am staying at is only 20 minutes away from home, which means that I can >> always go home on weekends and can come and go as I please. I would >> obviously be staying at home for breaks also. Would I still need to >> report about staying in the dorm? >> Thanks, >> Vejas >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2016 06:51:38 -0500 > From: Suzanne Germano > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > It is much better to say you are living in the dorm. That would give you > full SSI checks. Do you pay rent at home? If you do you get full checks. > > On Thursday, June 2, 2016, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L > > wrote: > >> Hi All, >> I have a couple of questions regarding SSI. >> I am going to graduate from LCB in two weeks and moving back home for the >> summer, so I know that I will need to report that I am living back home. >> How far in advance do I need to do this, bearing in mind that my social >> security rep is not the best at answering calls? >> Secondly, I am going to be moving to my dorm in August. The college that >> I am staying at is only 20 minutes away from home, which means that I can >> always go home on weekends and can come and go as I please. I would >> obviously be staying at home for breaks also. Would I still need to >> report >> about staying in the dorm? >> Thanks, >> Vejas >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2016 10:42:14 -0400 > From: Sami Osborne > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI > Message-ID: <0O8700CJ3A6UFM80 at vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Vejas and all, > > I personally don't think that it is necessary to indicate to > Social Security that you're living in the dorm. The reason is > that I've also been attending a blindness training center here in > New York that is only an hour away from my house, and go home > every weekend. I have my home address for SSI, so that's where > they send my monthly benefits to. I have never had any problems > with that; Social Security has never confronted me about what I > do with my checks. The only thing they have contacted me about > was to go to a meeting back in May so that they could have proof > of my blindness and hard of hearing. > > So in summary, even though I live in the dorm at the training > center (although like you I'll be finishing in two weeks and > going back home for the summer), I still have my home address for > receiveing my SSI benefits since it's only an hour away and since > I go home on weekends. By the way, I'll be doing the same for > college in the fall, because my college is also only about 15-20 > minutes away from my house, and I'll also be living in the dorm > during the week and going home on weekends. > > I hope this helps and have a great first weekend in June! > > Thanks, > > Sami > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Suzanne Germano via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 03 Jun 2016 06:51:38 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI > > It is much better to say you are living in the dorm. That would > give you > full SSI checks. Do you pay rent at home? If you do you get full > checks. > > On Thursday, June 2, 2016, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L > wrote: > > Hi All, > I have a couple of questions regarding SSI. > I am going to graduate from LCB in two weeks and moving back > home for the > summer, so I know that I will need to report that I am living > back home. > How far in advance do I need to do this, bearing in mind that my > social > security rep is not the best at answering calls? > Secondly, I am going to be moving to my dorm in August. The > college that > I am staying at is only 20 minutes away from home, which means > that I can > always go home on weekends and can come and go as I please. I > would > obviously be staying at home for breaks also. Would I still > need to report > about staying in the dorm? > Thanks, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40as > u.edu > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ligne14%40ver > izon.net > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2016 15:12:35 -0400 > From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS List Guidelines Monthly Reminder > Message-ID: <0CA64EAC-AD48-46BE-A038-75B8EE87E376 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Thanks for posting these guidelines on the list. I find them helpful. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Jun 1, 2016, at 5:53 PM, Arielle Silverman via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> NABS List Guidelines >> >> 1. Be respectful. >> A. This Listserv is a great forum in which we can all express our >> opinions. Sometimes we will disagree. However, when responding to a >> post, always be respectful. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and >> personal attacks and degrading comments will not be tolerated. >> B. All posts must be appropriate for a wide audience, including >> readers younger than 18 years old. Profanity and sexual content will >> not be allowed. >> C. Remember that all list messages appear on a public archive. Please >> respect other people?s privacy by not posting details about their >> lives or experiences. Even if you post about somebody without using >> their name, their identity can be discovered. Also remember that if >> you post your phone number on list, others could access it via a >> Google search. >> >> 2. Reducing List Clutter >> A. Please stay on topic. This list is about blindness and issues >> related to being a blind student or job-seeker. Posts about religion >> or politics, advertisements, queries asking to add list members on >> social media, or any other posts unrelated to blindness are not >> allowed, as they create too much list clutter unrelated to the list >> purpose. The exception is that advertisements for blindness programs >> and announcements about blindness-related research projects are >> permitted. The moderators and NABS board reserve the right to close >> down any discussion that is off-topic. >> B. Please respect readers? time by consolidating your ideas into one >> or two messages per day instead of posting many short replies to a >> topic. Rule of thumb is to post in a way to further the conversation, >> instead of just saying ?I agree?. >> C. When you would like to write someone off list or offer to connect >> with someone by Skype or social media, do so privately. You do not >> have to write one liners to every person you?d like to email off list. >> If you develop a conversation with that person, that?s great, if they >> feel they do not want to respond that is their right too. >> D. If an off-topic message appears on the list, please do not respond >> to it. Instead, please either delete it or forward it to a list >> moderator. Single off-topic messages create much less clutter than >> long threads debating whether or not the initial post is appropriate >> for the list. >> If you send a message the moderators feel is off-topic, you will >> receive an off-list request not to send any more messages of this >> kind. If you disagree with the moderator?s ruling, feel free to reply >> and make your case, and we will be more than happy to listen. But the >> list committee has final authority regarding what is and is not >> appropriate for the list. Repeated violations of the guidelines could >> result in disciplinary action from the list owner, including list >> removal. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2016 16:11:16 -0400 > From: Kathryn Webster > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Virginia 2016 James F Nelson Scholarship Program and > application > Message-ID: <6ADC2E6D-5ED6-45F6-A918-E539CE47D924 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Attention Virginia residents or future Virginia students: > The semester is over, but don?t totally check out this summer, or you might > miss the opportunity to apply for the James F Nelson 2016 Virginia State > Scholarship. If you are a Virginia resident, or attending an institute of > higher education in the Commonwealth of Virginia in the coming 2016/17 > academic year, why not apply for a prestigious James F Nelson Virginia > Scholarship? You will garner fame, a most expenses paid trip to the Virginia > state convention in fabulous Virginia Beach in November, 2016, not to > mention a small pile of cash, paid out in $2 bills ? Virginia is the State > of Jefferson after all! >> >> >> >> The deadline to apply is September 15, 2016. The application can be found >> on both the NABS as well as the NFBV websites, and is attached to this >> announcement. Inquiries and non-hoax related emails may be made to Brian >> Miller, chair of the scholarship committee, at: >> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','brianrmiller88 at gmail.com');. If you are >> vigilant, you just might catch Dr. Miller at the national convention in >> Orlando, where you can ask about the scholarship, or questions of a >> generally historical nature. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Brian Miller > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 14:42:04 -0400 > From: Elizabeth Mohnke > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello Kennedy, > > Thank you for providing this information. It is good to know that Social > Security reduces the amount of the check you receive if you are not paying > rent. However, as I understand it, most people who attend NFB training > centers such as the Louisiana Center for the Blind do not pay rent as this > is generally paid as a part of attending an NFB training center. Therefore, > I do not see what the difference would be in terms of the amount of Social > Security would be. > > However, with this said, I believe it is a good practice to pay rent as an > adult while living with your parents. Even if someone lives nearby on > campus, but then comes home on the weekends to do laundry, eat some nice > home cooking food, and use the internet while staying the night, these are > all expenses that require money, even if someone is just using these > services on a limited basis on the weekends. Paying a small amount of rent > on a monthly basis will satisfy the rent requirement from Social Security > while demonstrating to your parents that you are a responsible adult who is > willing to help contribute to household expenses. While this may not > automatically mean that your parents will treat you like an adult rather > than a child, taking steps in acting like a responsible adult will more > likely lead to your parents interacting with you as an adult rather than a > child. > > Anyway, I hope this information is helpful. > > Warm regards, > Elizabeth > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of KENNEDY > STOMBERG via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 11:44 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: KENNEDY STOMBERG > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI > > Hello. > > I didn't report my change of address until after I had arrived. So, if your > Social Security representative isn't great at answering phone calls, you > can > leave a voicemail for them. If they don't get back to you, just keep > calling > until they answer so you can tell them that you have changed your address. > As for living in your dorm, you may still want to report that, especially > if > you will not be paying rent at your home. This is important, because if you > do not pay rent, they may reduce the amount that you get paid. > I hope this helps! :-) > > Kennedy Stomberg > (218)295-2391 > >> On Jun 2, 2016, at 9:03 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L > wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> I have a couple of questions regarding SSI. >> I am going to graduate from LCB in two weeks and moving back home for the > summer, so I know that I will need to report that I am living back home. > How far in advance do I need to do this, bearing in mind that my social > security rep is not the best at answering calls? >> Secondly, I am going to be moving to my dorm in August. The college that > I am staying at is only 20 minutes away from home, which means that I can > always go home on weekends and can come and go as I please. I would > obviously be staying at home for breaks also. Would I still need to report > about staying in the dorm? >> Thanks, >> Vejas >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 14:54:30 -0400 > From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI > Message-ID: <7C213E1672E149CD9D7E005411484C7E at JenniferPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hello, > > I just wanted to put my two cents in regarding SSI. > > I think it depends on the state you live in whether your amount gets reduced > > or not. I started receiving SSI when I turned eighteen, received the full > amount while living with my parents and I did not pay rent. I paid for > things like telephone and cable, but not rent. > > Later, I attended the Carroll Center for five months and still received my > full amount...I too went home on the weekends though. > > Now I live in my own apartment and of course pay rent so I get the full > amount. > > Social Security never asked me anything and never said anything to me about > > where I lived. I live in Rhode Island. Don't know if it makes a difference, > > but I'm guessing it all depends on which state you live in. > > Jen > -----Original Message----- > From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L > Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 2:42 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI > > Hello Kennedy, > > Thank you for providing this information. It is good to know that Social > Security reduces the amount of the check you receive if you are not paying > rent. However, as I understand it, most people who attend NFB training > centers such as the Louisiana Center for the Blind do not pay rent as this > is generally paid as a part of attending an NFB training center. Therefore, > I do not see what the difference would be in terms of the amount of Social > Security would be. > > However, with this said, I believe it is a good practice to pay rent as an > adult while living with your parents. Even if someone lives nearby on > campus, but then comes home on the weekends to do laundry, eat some nice > home cooking food, and use the internet while staying the night, these are > all expenses that require money, even if someone is just using these > services on a limited basis on the weekends. Paying a small amount of rent > on a monthly basis will satisfy the rent requirement from Social Security > while demonstrating to your parents that you are a responsible adult who is > willing to help contribute to household expenses. While this may not > automatically mean that your parents will treat you like an adult rather > than a child, taking steps in acting like a responsible adult will more > likely lead to your parents interacting with you as an adult rather than a > child. > > Anyway, I hope this information is helpful. > > Warm regards, > Elizabeth > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of KENNEDY > STOMBERG via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 11:44 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: KENNEDY STOMBERG > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI > > Hello. > > I didn't report my change of address until after I had arrived. So, if your > Social Security representative isn't great at answering phone calls, you > can > leave a voicemail for them. If they don't get back to you, just keep > calling > until they answer so you can tell them that you have changed your address. > As for living in your dorm, you may still want to report that, especially > if > you will not be paying rent at your home. This is important, because if you > do not pay rent, they may reduce the amount that you get paid. > I hope this helps! :-) > > Kennedy Stomberg > (218)295-2391 > >> On Jun 2, 2016, at 9:03 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L > wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> I have a couple of questions regarding SSI. >> I am going to graduate from LCB in two weeks and moving back home for the > summer, so I know that I will need to report that I am living back home. > How far in advance do I need to do this, bearing in mind that my social > security rep is not the best at answering calls? >> Secondly, I am going to be moving to my dorm in August. The college that > I am staying at is only 20 minutes away from home, which means that I can > always go home on weekends and can come and go as I please. I would > obviously be staying at home for breaks also. Would I still need to report > about staying in the dorm? >> Thanks, >> Vejas >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freespirit328%40gmail.com > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 13:56:10 -0500 > From: KENNEDY STOMBERG > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI > Message-ID: <6961FFE7-EF00-4E4B-A453-7022EECEF77B at coe.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I don't know how Social Security works with the training centers, as I have > never attended one. > However, I do know that when I was at home with my parents, and I wasn't > paying rent, Social Security reduce the amount of money I get each month. > Just another reason to pay rent to you when you are at home. :-) Plus, as > Elizabeth pointed out, it demonstrates maturity. :-) > > Kennedy Stomberg > (218)295-2391 > >> On Jun 5, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Hello Kennedy, >> >> Thank you for providing this information. It is good to know that Social >> Security reduces the amount of the check you receive if you are not >> paying >> rent. However, as I understand it, most people who attend NFB training >> centers such as the Louisiana Center for the Blind do not pay rent as >> this >> is generally paid as a part of attending an NFB training center. >> Therefore, >> I do not see what the difference would be in terms of the amount of >> Social >> Security would be. >> >> However, with this said, I believe it is a good practice to pay rent as >> an >> adult while living with your parents. Even if someone lives nearby on >> campus, but then comes home on the weekends to do laundry, eat some nice >> home cooking food, and use the internet while staying the night, these >> are >> all expenses that require money, even if someone is just using these >> services on a limited basis on the weekends. Paying a small amount of >> rent >> on a monthly basis will satisfy the rent requirement from Social Security >> while demonstrating to your parents that you are a responsible adult who >> is >> willing to help contribute to household expenses. While this may not >> automatically mean that your parents will treat you like an adult rather >> than a child, taking steps in acting like a responsible adult will more >> likely lead to your parents interacting with you as an adult rather than >> a >> child. >> >> Anyway, I hope this information is helpful. >> >> Warm regards, >> Elizabeth >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of KENNEDY >> STOMBERG via NABS-L >> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 11:44 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: KENNEDY STOMBERG >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI >> >> Hello. >> >> I didn't report my change of address until after I had arrived. So, if >> your >> Social Security representative isn't great at answering phone calls, you >> can >> leave a voicemail for them. If they don't get back to you, just keep >> calling >> until they answer so you can tell them that you have changed your >> address. >> As for living in your dorm, you may still want to report that, especially >> if >> you will not be paying rent at your home. This is important, because if >> you >> do not pay rent, they may reduce the amount that you get paid. >> I hope this helps! :-) >> >> Kennedy Stomberg >> (218)295-2391 >> >>>> On Jun 2, 2016, at 9:03 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi All, >>> I have a couple of questions regarding SSI. >>> I am going to graduate from LCB in two weeks and moving back home for >>> the >> summer, so I know that I will need to report that I am living back home. >> How far in advance do I need to do this, bearing in mind that my social >> security rep is not the best at answering calls? >>> Secondly, I am going to be moving to my dorm in August. The college >>> that >> I am staying at is only 20 minutes away from home, which means that I can >> always go home on weekends and can come and go as I please. I would >> obviously be staying at home for breaks also. Would I still need to >> report >> about staying in the dorm? >>> Thanks, >>> Vejas >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 13:57:58 -0500 > From: KENNEDY STOMBERG > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI > Message-ID: <87A33FD1-78A4-4E90-A96B-1524BE31B99C at coe.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Wow! You got lucky! > I didn't realize it might depend on the state where you live. That is a good > point :-) thank you for pointing it out! > > Kennedy Stomberg > (218)295-2391 > >> On Jun 5, 2016, at 1:54 PM, Jennifer Aberdeen via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> I just wanted to put my two cents in regarding SSI. >> >> I think it depends on the state you live in whether your amount gets >> reduced or not. I started receiving SSI when I turned eighteen, received >> the full amount while living with my parents and I did not pay rent. I >> paid for things like telephone and cable, but not rent. >> >> Later, I attended the Carroll Center for five months and still received my >> full amount...I too went home on the weekends though. >> >> Now I live in my own apartment and of course pay rent so I get the full >> amount. >> >> Social Security never asked me anything and never said anything to me >> about where I lived. I live in Rhode Island. Don't know if it makes a >> difference, but I'm guessing it all depends on which state you live in. >> >> Jen >> -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L >> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 2:42 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI >> >> Hello Kennedy, >> >> Thank you for providing this information. It is good to know that Social >> Security reduces the amount of the check you receive if you are not >> paying >> rent. However, as I understand it, most people who attend NFB training >> centers such as the Louisiana Center for the Blind do not pay rent as >> this >> is generally paid as a part of attending an NFB training center. >> Therefore, >> I do not see what the difference would be in terms of the amount of >> Social >> Security would be. >> >> However, with this said, I believe it is a good practice to pay rent as >> an >> adult while living with your parents. Even if someone lives nearby on >> campus, but then comes home on the weekends to do laundry, eat some nice >> home cooking food, and use the internet while staying the night, these >> are >> all expenses that require money, even if someone is just using these >> services on a limited basis on the weekends. Paying a small amount of >> rent >> on a monthly basis will satisfy the rent requirement from Social Security >> while demonstrating to your parents that you are a responsible adult who >> is >> willing to help contribute to household expenses. While this may not >> automatically mean that your parents will treat you like an adult rather >> than a child, taking steps in acting like a responsible adult will more >> likely lead to your parents interacting with you as an adult rather than >> a >> child. >> >> Anyway, I hope this information is helpful. >> >> Warm regards, >> Elizabeth >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of KENNEDY >> STOMBERG via NABS-L >> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 11:44 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: KENNEDY STOMBERG >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI >> >> Hello. >> >> I didn't report my change of address until after I had arrived. So, if >> your >> Social Security representative isn't great at answering phone calls, you >> can >> leave a voicemail for them. If they don't get back to you, just keep >> calling >> until they answer so you can tell them that you have changed your >> address. >> As for living in your dorm, you may still want to report that, especially >> if >> you will not be paying rent at your home. This is important, because if >> you >> do not pay rent, they may reduce the amount that you get paid. >> I hope this helps! :-) >> >> Kennedy Stomberg >> (218)295-2391 >> >>>> On Jun 2, 2016, at 9:03 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi All, >>> I have a couple of questions regarding SSI. >>> I am going to graduate from LCB in two weeks and moving back home for >>> the >> summer, so I know that I will need to report that I am living back home. >> How far in advance do I need to do this, bearing in mind that my social >> security rep is not the best at answering calls? >>> Secondly, I am going to be moving to my dorm in August. The college >>> that >> I am staying at is only 20 minutes away from home, which means that I can >> always go home on weekends and can come and go as I please. I would >> obviously be staying at home for breaks also. Would I still need to >> report >> about staying in the dorm? >>> Thanks, >>> Vejas >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freespirit328%40gmail.com >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 15:19:00 -0400 > From: Elizabeth Mohnke > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello Jen, > > Thank you for providing your experience with Social Security. When I lived > with my parents, I simply provided them with a monthly rent check to help > them pay for things like food, utilities, and other household expenses. I > found this arrangement to work well for me as my parents could use the > money > to pay for household expenses as they saw fit while complying with the rent > requirement for Social Security. However, when there were unexpected > expenses, or a temporary loss of income to my parents, I would usually chip > in a little bit more than what was agreed upon for my monthly rent. > > In my opinion, there is no such thing as a free lunch, so people need to be > able to afford the services they use either by paying for them with money > or > through some sort of work in exchange for these services. For example, if > someone is willing to make meals for the entire family while living with > their parents, I think this is something that should be considered when > negotiating the amount for a monthly rent given the limited income a person > receives from Social Security. > > However, these are simply my thoughts on this matter, and not everyone may > agree with them. I simply hope this information is helpful to someone on > this email list. > > Warm regards, > Elizabeth > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jennifer > Aberdeen via NABS-L > Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 2:55 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Jennifer Aberdeen > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI > > Hello, > > I just wanted to put my two cents in regarding SSI. > > I think it depends on the state you live in whether your amount gets > reduced > or not. I started receiving SSI when I turned eighteen, received the full > amount while living with my parents and I did not pay rent. I paid for > things like telephone and cable, but not rent. > > Later, I attended the Carroll Center for five months and still received my > full amount...I too went home on the weekends though. > > Now I live in my own apartment and of course pay rent so I get the full > amount. > > Social Security never asked me anything and never said anything to me about > where I lived. I live in Rhode Island. Don't know if it makes a difference, > but I'm guessing it all depends on which state you live in. > > Jen > -----Original Message----- > From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L > Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 2:42 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI > > Hello Kennedy, > > Thank you for providing this information. It is good to know that Social > Security reduces the amount of the check you receive if you are not paying > rent. However, as I understand it, most people who attend NFB training > centers such as the Louisiana Center for the Blind do not pay rent as this > is generally paid as a part of attending an NFB training center. Therefore, > I do not see what the difference would be in terms of the amount of Social > Security would be. > > However, with this said, I believe it is a good practice to pay rent as an > adult while living with your parents. Even if someone lives nearby on > campus, but then comes home on the weekends to do laundry, eat some nice > home cooking food, and use the internet while staying the night, these are > all expenses that require money, even if someone is just using these > services on a limited basis on the weekends. Paying a small amount of rent > on a monthly basis will satisfy the rent requirement from Social Security > while demonstrating to your parents that you are a responsible adult who is > willing to help contribute to household expenses. While this may not > automatically mean that your parents will treat you like an adult rather > than a child, taking steps in acting like a responsible adult will more > likely lead to your parents interacting with you as an adult rather than a > child. > > Anyway, I hope this information is helpful. > > Warm regards, > Elizabeth > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of KENNEDY > STOMBERG via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 11:44 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: KENNEDY STOMBERG > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI > > Hello. > > I didn't report my change of address until after I had arrived. So, if your > Social Security representative isn't great at answering phone calls, you > can > leave a voicemail for them. If they don't get back to you, just keep > calling > until they answer so you can tell them that you have changed your address. > As for living in your dorm, you may still want to report that, especially > if > you will not be paying rent at your home. This is important, because if you > do not pay rent, they may reduce the amount that you get paid. > I hope this helps! :-) > > Kennedy Stomberg > (218)295-2391 > >> On Jun 2, 2016, at 9:03 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L > wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> I have a couple of questions regarding SSI. >> I am going to graduate from LCB in two weeks and moving back home for >> the > summer, so I know that I will need to report that I am living back home. > How far in advance do I need to do this, bearing in mind that my social > security rep is not the best at answering calls? >> Secondly, I am going to be moving to my dorm in August. The college >> that > I am staying at is only 20 minutes away from home, which means that I can > always go home on weekends and can come and go as I please. I would > obviously be staying at home for breaks also. Would I still need to report > about staying in the dorm? >> Thanks, >> Vejas >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.e >> du > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freespirit328%40gmail.co > m > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 18 > Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 21:05:29 -0400 > From: "Joe" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: [nabs-l] Back for a Seeing Eye Dog, One Year Later > Message-ID: <000301d1bf8f$85281480$8f783d80$@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > You guys remember my controversial post about guide dogs? 5 reasons why > it's > a terrible idea? Well, here's a sequel of sorts. Life one year later, > primarily aimed at anyone still weighing the pros and cons of getting a > guide dog: > > *** > > What's it like to use a Seeing Eye dog? Think of it this way: > > You close your eyes and take the elbow of a well-known person willing to > guide you around tables, chairs, out the door, across the street, down the > stairs and along a platform until you find the door to a train car where > this traveling companion can be trusted to help you find an open seat. And > your trust is absolute because between the ears of this human companion you > know there is an intelligent brain capable of negotiating obstacles, > anticipating danger and prioritizing safety. > > But, that's a human. Would you put the same level of trust in an animal? > Even a highly trained canine? > > The Decision Process > > I first went to The Seeing Eye in the summer of 2004 to get my first dog, a > two-year-old German shepherd named Gator. We worked together until the > winter of 2012. He worked until I had to put him down, because the > abdominal > cancer had grown too large for anything to be done about it. Never mind > that > his health results had come back clean only six weeks prior. > > Read the rest of the article here: > > http://joeorozco.com/blog_back_for_a_seeing_eye_dog_one_year_later > > Joe > > -- > Musings of a Work in Progress: > www.JoeOrozco.com/ > > Twitter: @ScribblingJoe > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 19 > Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 20:05:46 -0500 > From: David Andrews > To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Braille Sense u2 32 cell for sale > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > >> >>One gently used 32 cell Braille Sense u2 for sale. The unit comes >>with an English and Spanish Dictionary, and an Executive Products >>leather case, and the charger. >>Asking $2700. Shipping and handling is included if in the united states. >>If interested, please e-mail me at dravant at ameritech.net. >>Thank you. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 20 > Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2016 07:54:47 -0400 > From: Sami Osborne > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI > Message-ID: <0O8C009QHMFWW640 at vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Elizabeth, > > Wow. I never knew that you were required to pay rent with Social > Secuy. I'm not required to do this. Do yink that this may > have changed from when you applied to when I did? Or does it > depend on the state? I still get the full amount of SSI benefits > even though I'm at the training center and have my parent's > address as my address for Social Security. I live in NY. > Also, I have always been fine; my Social Security office has > never confronted me about what I do with my checks, and never > told me anything about being required to pay rent. Like you, I > also transfer my monthly benefits to my parent's bankccount so > that they would have enough money to pay for what they need. > > Thanks, > > Sami > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 15:19:00 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI > > Hello Jen, > > Thank you for providing your experience with Social Security. > When I lived > with my parents, I simply provided them with a monthly rent check > to help > them pay for things like food, utilities, and other household > expenses. I > found this arrangement to work well for me as my parents could > use the money > to pay for household expenses as they saw fit while complying > with the rent > requirement for Social Security. However, when there were > unexpected > expenses, or a temporary loss of income to my parents, I would > usually chip > in a little bit more than what was agreed upon for my monthly > rent. > > In my opinion, there is no such thing as a free lunch, so people > need to be > able to afford the services they use either by paying for them > with money or > through some sort of work in exchange for these services. For > example, if > someone is willing to make meals for the entire family while > living with > their parents, I think this is something that should be > considered when > negotiating the amount for a monthly rent given the limited > income a person > receives from Social Security. > > However, these are simply my thoughts on this matter, and not > everyone may > agree with them. I simply hope this information is helpful to > someone on > this email list. > > Warm regards, > Elizabeth > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Jennifer > Aberdeen via NABS-L > Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 2:55 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Jennifer Aberdeen Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI > > Hello, > > I just wanted to put my two cents in regarding SSI. > > I think it depends on the state you live in whether your amount > gets reduced > or not. I started receiving SSI when I turned eighteen, received > the full > amount while living with my parents and I did not pay rent. I > paid for > things like telephone and cable, but not rent. > > Later, I attended the Carroll Center for five months and still > received my > full amount...I too went home on the weekends though. > > Now I live in my own apartment and of course pay rent so I get > the full > amount. > > Social Security never asked me anything and never said anything > to me about > where I lived. I live in Rhode Island. Don't know if it makes a > difference, > but I'm guessing it all depends on which state you live in. > > Jen > -----Original Message----- > From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L > Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 2:42 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI > > Hello Kennedy, > > Thank you for providing this information. It is good to know > that Social > Security reduces the amount of the check you receive if you are > not paying > rent. However, as I understand it, most people who attend NFB > training > centers such as the Louisiana Center for the Blind do not pay > rent as this > is generally paid as a part of attending an NFB training center. > Therefore, > I do not see what the difference would be in terms of the amount > of Social > Security would be. > > However, with this said, I believe it is a good practice to pay > rent as an > adult while living with your parents. Even if someone lives > nearby on > campus, but then comes home on the weekends to do laundry, eat > some nice > home cooking food, and use the internet while staying the night, > these are > all expenses that require money, even if someone is just using > these > services on a limited basis on the weekends. Paying a small > amount of rent > on a monthly basis will satisfy the rent requirement from Social > Security > while demonstrating to your parents that you are a responsible > adult who is > willing to help contribute to household expenses. While this may > not > automatically mean that your parents will treat you like an adult > rather > than a child, taking steps in acting like a responsible adult > will more > likely lead to your parents interacting with you as an adult > rather than a > child. > > Anyway, I hope this information is helpful. > > Warm regards, > Elizabeth > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > KENNEDY > STOMBERG via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 11:44 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: KENNEDY STOMBERG Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI > > Hello. > > I didn't report my change of address until after I had arrived. > So, if your > Social Security representative isn't great at answering phone > calls, you can > leave a voicemail for them. If they don't get back to you, just > keep calling > until they answer so you can tell them that you have changed your > address. > As for living in your dorm, you may still want to report that, > especially if > you will not be paying rent at your home. This is important, > because if you > do not pay rent, they may reduce the amount that you get paid. > I hope this helps! :-) > > Kennedy Stomberg > (218)295-2391 > > On Jun 2, 2016, at 9:03 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L > wrote: > > Hi All, > I have a couple of questions regarding SSI. > I am going to graduate from LCB in two weeks and moving back > home for > the > summer, so I know that I will need to report that I am living > back home. > How far in advance do I need to do this, bearing in mind that my > social > security rep is not the best at answering calls? > Secondly, I am going to be moving to my dorm in August. The > college > that > I am staying at is only 20 minutes away from home, which means > that I can > always go home on weekends and can come and go as I please. I > would > obviously be staying at home for breaks also. Would I still need > to report > about staying in the dorm? > Thanks, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40 > coe.e > du > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40h > otmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freespirit328 > %40gmail.co > m > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus > software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40h > otmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ligne14%40ver > izon.net > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 21 > Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 11:09:20 -0400 > From: "Kathryn Webster" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Michael Ausbun for NABS Secretary > Message-ID: <02c601d1c0ce$920fa5b0$b62ef110$@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > All, > > Michael is a passionate, level-headed, driven, and positive leader, > scholar, and friend. This past year, I was fortunate enough to have Michael > as the co-chair of the Fundraising Committee for the National Association > of > Blind Students. His work on both the NABS Board, as well as with his state > affiliate and others he partners with, is influential to all. As the > current > NABS Secretary, I am confident in Michael's abilities to effectively > communicate to our members, our leaders, and perspective members of the > national Federation of the Blind. Michael is punctual, mindful, and > dedicated, while holding those accountable and holding himself accountable. > His commitment does not stop there. Recently, Michael has taken on a > position as a Summer Intern at our national headquarters, the National > Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute, and will gain valuable > information that, I'm certain, will develop him even further as a strong > leader on our student division board. > > As Fundraising Chair, I have worked closely with Michael to reach the > various goals we set forth last July. Thinking back over the past ten > months > of working, Michael has brought realistic ideas to the table, while > reaching > outside the box. Michael is quiet, yet outspoken. His creative balanced > well > with my analytical and logical mind. We were a great team and I look > forward > to continuing the work we have done; and forwarding our movement for all > blind students. > > With just three weeks until Convention, I am asking each of you to consider > Michael as an incredible candidate with promising leadership and potential. > I know I will be voting for him as NABS Secretary on Friday, July 1, and I > hope you will be, too! > > See you in Orlando, > Kathryn Webster > Secretary/Treasurer | National Association of Blind Students > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael D > Ausbun via NABS-L > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 12:51 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Michael D Ausbun > Subject: [nabs-l] Michael Ausbun for NABS Secretary > > Howdy Nabsters: > My name is Michael Ausbun, and I am a senior at the University of > Nevada, studying Philosophy, Political Science, Communication studies, and > anthropology. I am writing today, in order to declare my intent to run for > the National Association of Blind Student's Secretary Position. For the > past > two years, I have served in a variety of secretarial positions, including > secretary of the Nevada Association of Blind Students, the Blue Key honor > Society, The Students Abolishing Sex-Slavery at the University of Nevada > club, and the Kappa Sigma Fraternity, Tau-Gamma chapter. > Additionally, I have served this past year on the NABS board as one > of our four board members, and as the first vice president of the Nevada > Affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind; and therefore, I have > observed what it takes to successfully implement the duties of the > secretary > position at the state and national levels. Truly, having the honor to guide > and advise students as they traverse the path to transform their dreams > into > reality has been one of the best moments over this past year, and, I hope > that I will be granted the opportunity to continue doing the work that is > critical for creating, and developing, equity for blind students across the > country. > If you have questions about the individualized projects I have thought up > concerning both the secretary position and nabs as a whole, please do not > hesitate to ask! I look forward to visiting with many of you that I have > had > the pleasure of meeting at National convention, and for those I have not > met > yet, I am excited to establish lifetime friendships! > Yours in the movement, > Michael Ausbun > Board member, National Association of Blind Students Secretary, Nevada > Association of Blind Students First Vice President, National Federation of > the Blind of Nevada > > "The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the > characteristic that defines you, or your future. Every day we raise the > expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles > between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; > blindness is not what holds you back. Together with love, hope, and > determination, we transform dreams into reality." > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kathrynwebster.nfb%40gma > il.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 22 > Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 11:32:38 -0400 > From: Julie McGinnity > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Michael Ausbun for NABS Secretary > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hi all, > > I am currently working with Michael at the NFB Jernigan Institute as a > summer intern. To give you an idea, he was at the office this morning > at 7:25 AM, even though we are not required to be here until 8:00. He > is a dedicated worker, helpful to those of us who tend to struggle > with our technology, and cares deeply for the movement. As a division > president myself, I can say that I would be thrilled to work with > Michael as a colleague on a leadership team. So, NABS, we had better > elect Michael as secretary, or the Performing Arts Division may just > adopt him... :) > > Looking forward to seeing many of you at convention! > > P.S. Don't forget to check out the Performing Arts Division > activities, which do not conflict with NABS events this year! > > On 6/7/16, Kathryn Webster via NABS-L wrote: >> All, >> >> Michael is a passionate, level-headed, driven, and positive leader, >> scholar, and friend. This past year, I was fortunate enough to have >> Michael >> as the co-chair of the Fundraising Committee for the National Association >> of >> Blind Students. His work on both the NABS Board, as well as with his >> state >> affiliate and others he partners with, is influential to all. As the >> current >> NABS Secretary, I am confident in Michael's abilities to effectively >> communicate to our members, our leaders, and perspective members of the >> national Federation of the Blind. Michael is punctual, mindful, and >> dedicated, while holding those accountable and holding himself >> accountable. >> His commitment does not stop there. Recently, Michael has taken on a >> position as a Summer Intern at our national headquarters, the National >> Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute, and will gain valuable >> information that, I'm certain, will develop him even further as a strong >> leader on our student division board. >> >> As Fundraising Chair, I have worked closely with Michael to reach the >> various goals we set forth last July. Thinking back over the past ten >> months >> of working, Michael has brought realistic ideas to the table, while >> reaching >> outside the box. Michael is quiet, yet outspoken. His creative balanced >> well >> with my analytical and logical mind. We were a great team and I look >> forward >> to continuing the work we have done; and forwarding our movement for all >> blind students. >> >> With just three weeks until Convention, I am asking each of you to >> consider >> Michael as an incredible candidate with promising leadership and >> potential. >> I know I will be voting for him as NABS Secretary on Friday, July 1, and >> I >> hope you will be, too! >> >> See you in Orlando, >> Kathryn Webster >> Secretary/Treasurer | National Association of Blind Students >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael D >> Ausbun via NABS-L >> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 12:51 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: Michael D Ausbun >> Subject: [nabs-l] Michael Ausbun for NABS Secretary >> >> Howdy Nabsters: >> My name is Michael Ausbun, and I am a senior at the University of >> Nevada, studying Philosophy, Political Science, Communication studies, >> and >> anthropology. I am writing today, in order to declare my intent to run >> for >> the National Association of Blind Student's Secretary Position. For the >> past >> two years, I have served in a variety of secretarial positions, including >> secretary of the Nevada Association of Blind Students, the Blue Key honor >> Society, The Students Abolishing Sex-Slavery at the University of Nevada >> club, and the Kappa Sigma Fraternity, Tau-Gamma chapter. >> Additionally, I have served this past year on the NABS board as one >> of our four board members, and as the first vice president of the Nevada >> Affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind; and therefore, I have >> observed what it takes to successfully implement the duties of the >> secretary >> position at the state and national levels. Truly, having the honor to >> guide >> and advise students as they traverse the path to transform their dreams >> into >> reality has been one of the best moments over this past year, and, I hope >> that I will be granted the opportunity to continue doing the work that is >> critical for creating, and developing, equity for blind students across >> the >> country. >> If you have questions about the individualized projects I have thought up >> concerning both the secretary position and nabs as a whole, please do not >> hesitate to ask! I look forward to visiting with many of you that I have >> had >> the pleasure of meeting at National convention, and for those I have not >> met >> yet, I am excited to establish lifetime friendships! >> Yours in the movement, >> Michael Ausbun >> Board member, National Association of Blind Students Secretary, Nevada >> Association of Blind Students First Vice President, National Federation >> of >> the Blind of Nevada >> >> "The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the >> characteristic that defines you, or your future. Every day we raise the >> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles >> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; >> blindness is not what holds you back. Together with love, hope, and >> determination, we transform dreams into reality." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kathrynwebster.nfb%40gma >> il.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Julie A. McGinnity > President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division, > Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri > "For we walk by faith, not by sight" > 2 Cor. 7 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 23 > Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 10:01:01 -0600 > From: annajee82 at gmail.com > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] NABS board position > Message-ID: <631331E6-83C1-476F-9741-8D337796DE02 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi NABS, > > My name is Anna Givens. I currently attend the University of Colorado in > Denver, studying Biology and Neuroscience. Among other things. i have been > involved with the National Federation of the Blind for a few years now. I > currently serve as the President of the Colorado Association of Blind > Students. Since I have become President of this state wide division, I have > had the pleasure of working with my team to do some rebuilding and > membership strengthening and we have seen some growth just in the last few > months already. We've had some exciting events and very informative seminars > as well. It has been an excellent experience getting to work with students > and with the affiliate in this capacity. Besides this work. I have worked > with many blind students in different areas. I have set up meetings with > blind students at my school to see what challenges they may be facing and > find a way to help them face these things. I have talked to many students at > the Colorado Center for the Blind where I graduated from a few years back. > This has given me the opportunity to learn about the challenges of a wide > variety of the blind population. I have presented them with information and > made efforts to get these students involved in important work of the > Federation. I speak to a number of groups about current legislation, > accommodating blind students, and advocacy. > I am also particularly passionate about helping blind people gain access to > science. This is a challenge many students face and there is no reason for > it. I have done some teaching to blind students in science to not only help > them understand the material but also learn new non-visual techniques. I > work a lot with the Colorado Center for the Blind as well. I often > participate in activities teaching or working with blind children in various > capacities in order for them to have positive experiences and learn > blindness related skills. I go to Colorado Springs to mentor middle and high > school students every month. I would say mentoring is my favorite part of my > work. Watching people grow and learn and being a part of that is entirely > worth all the work I do! > I have started to expand my work to Teachers of Blind Children to make sure > students are properly prepared for college and life beyond school. > These are the main things I do specifically for blind people. > In other areas, I am involved with programs like the Community Nutrition > Network that promote and educate people on health and nutrition to prevent > disease. > I also am involved with the Chemistry and Biology Club. One of my favorite > things we do is going to middle schools to assist students in dissections or > other lab procedures. I have been involved in some faculty education, > providing education on working with students with disabilities on campus. > I enjoy participating in Help for the Homeless too, in food drives, clothing > give aways and other service. Community service in general is something I > find extremely important. > > Additionally, I am honored to be attending this year's national convention > as an NFB of Colorado scholarship winner. Now, I am looking to expand my > leadership opportunities in order to continue the work we are doing. I have > been working with many members of the NABS board throughout the last few > years and have participated in leadership seminars to help develop and share > my leadership strategies. I would like to ask for your support in obtaining > a board member position with NABS. I am excited about the opportunity and am > really looking forward to working with even more students and making a > difference in their lives. It is such a pleasure to know each of you, > whether I've officially met you or not. I sincerely look forward to meeting > many more of you at the end of this month in Orlando. > > Please reach out to me with any questions you may have. > > Thank you, > > Anna E Givens > > > > > > Anna E Givens > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 24 > Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 19:26:51 -0600 > From: annajee82 at gmail.com > To: Cabs Listserv , nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [blindkid] Seeking help from students in grades > 4 through 12 at convention > Message-ID: <7E037865-996E-4FE4-84C4-33549DFF8B02 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Here is a good opportunity for students. > > Anna E Givens > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: "Yingling, Valerie via blindkid" >> Date: June 8, 2016 at 1:58:36 PM MDT >> To: "'blindkid at nfbnet.org'" >> Cc: "Yingling, Valerie" >> Subject: [blindkid] Seeking help from students in grades 4 through 12 at >> convention >> Reply-To: "Blind Kid Mailing List, \(for parents of blind children\)" >> >> >> The NFB is seeking blind and low-vision students who completed grades 4 >> through 12 this year to help with Pearson user testing at convention. >> Students should be at or near grade level. Participants will receive gift >> cards and will help with the development of accessible digital tools and >> content. Visit the recruitment >> tool to participate, or contact >> Valerie Yingling with questions: >> vyingling at nfb.org. >> >> Valerie Yingling >> Paralegal >> National Federation of the Blind >> (410) 659-9314, extension 2440 >> Vyingling at nfb.org >> >> Disclaimer >> >> The information contained in this communication from the sender is >> confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others >> authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby >> notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in >> relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and >> may be unlawful. >> >> This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been >> automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a >> Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for >> your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and >> compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. >> _______________________________________________ >> blindkid mailing list >> blindkid at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindkid_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindkid: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindkid_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 25 > Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 09:49:30 -0400 > From: Roanna Bacchus > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS board position > Message-ID: <57597417.41f30d0a.1d8ad.057b at mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Anna thanks for your message. I hope you get this position. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 26 > Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 18:35:54 +0000 > From: "Yingling, Valerie" > To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" > Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking students who have completed Algebra 1 to > help with Pearson user testing at convention > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > As a part of the NFB's work with Pearson, we are helping to recruit > participants for Pearson's user studies during the NFB convention. We are > really excited about this opportunity and need to try to recruit as many > qualified participants as possible. > We are seeking students who completed Algebra 1 or a higher level math class > this past school year to help with the user testing. Students should be at > or near grade level and should be screen access software users and/or > Braille and Nemeth readers. Participants will receive gift cards and will > help with the development of accessible digital tools and content. Visit the > recruitment tool (https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/NFB18over) to participate, > or contact Valerie Yingling with questions: > vyingling at nfb.org. > > Disclaimer > > The information contained in this communication from the sender is > confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others > authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby > notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in > relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may > be unlawful. > > This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been > automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a > Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for > your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and > compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 27 > Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 15:41:33 -0700 > From: Cindy Bennett > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Scholarship for students with disabilities pursuing > careers in communications, media, or entertainment > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Scott Bellman > Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 14:11:33 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: [AccessSTEM] AAPD Scholarship - deadline July 1, 2016 > To: accessstem at u.washington.edu > > > AAPD is offering scholarships to students with disabilities this year. > > More information here: > > www.aapd.com/nbcuniversal-tony-coelho-media-scholarship-program/ > > Regards, > > Scott Bellman > DO-IT Program Manager > UW Information Technology > DO-IT (www.washington.edu/doit) > University of Washington, Box 354842 > Seattle, WA 98195 206-685-6222 206-685-3648(TTY) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AccessSTEM mailing list > AccessSTEM at u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/accessstem > > > > -- > Cindy Bennett > 2nd Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington > Human Centered Design and Engineering > > Treasurer of the National Federation of the Blind of Washington > an Affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind > > clb5590 at gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 28 > Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 19:13:14 -0500 > From: "Syed Rizvi " > To: > Subject: [nabs-l] Vote Syed Rizvi for Second Vice President of the > National Association of Blind Students > Message-ID: <004901d1c2ac$e2dbbcb0$a8933610$@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Good evening my Federation family, > > > > I hope this message finds you well. > > My name is Syed Rizvi and I am the President of the Massachusetts > Association of Blind Students, the National Federation of the Blind of > Massachusetts student division. I was brought to America by my parents when > I was two years old with high hopes of having a brighter future. I have > struggled with my degenerative vision since I was five years old; and have > since been constantly in search of answers, guidance, and support. While I > was confident in my intelligence, my lack of knowledge in regards to > nonvisual methods of doing my work compelled me to fall behind my sighted > counterparts. I desperately wanted success. My parents believed in me, my > siblings supported me, and my friends treated me just like everyone else. > Still, I worked ten times harder than those around me to achieve the same > accomplishments. > > > > Two years ago, I attended my first event hosted by the National Federation > of the Blind, a Massachusetts student social in Boston. I quickly, if not > instantaneously, realized that finally, God had answered all my prayers. > Surrounding me were all these students living the lives they wanted without > blindness holding them back. Without hesitation, I immediately immersed > myself with new friends and, in creating relationships, began to work to > further the movement of the National Federation of the Blind. I adopted > more > responsibilities in terms of leadership and collaboration. My growth did > not > stop there, and will never cease as I continue to embrace our positive > blindness philosophy. > > > > To ensure that blindness would no longer deter me from pursuing my > aspirations and to solidify my philosophy, I halted my undergraduate > college > career, left my home of 17 years, quit my job, and flew over a thousand > miles to Ruston, Louisiana. There, I attended blindness training at the > Louisiana Center for the Blind, perhaps the greatest decision I have ever > made. Alongside Federation leaders, newcomers, and mentors, I learned from > passionate individuals in order for me to flourish in any path I decide to > follow. > > > > After graduating from LCB on May 23, I returned home with a newfound > understanding of the abilities of all blind people. This summer, I will be > working for the Director of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) in > Massachusetts to ensure that section 504 and section 508 of the > rehabilitation act are properly enforced in our commonwealth. This fall, I > will be venturing down to Texas start my journey as an Accounting student > at > the University of Texas at Austin. > > > > It was at the 75th annual national convention that I first found out about > NFB training centers and the Student Division of the National Federation of > the Blind. It was there that I eagerly signed up to work for every NABS > committee in order to fully understand how our organization operates. For > the past year, I have been working diligently alongside national student > leaders. My fellow blind students, we have so much work that must be done > to > ensure we have equal access in higher education and in the workforce. I > would not be where I am today without the support received from my > Federation mentors, and I am sure that holds true for most of you as well. > The relationships I've formed with current NABS leadership, as well as my > state affiliate and other state student divisions demonstrates my > dedication > and passion for what we are fighting for each day. > > > > On Friday, July 1 , I will be running for the > position of 2nd Vice President of the National Association of Blind > Students. Now, I am asking for your support. Each and every vote counts as, > together, we shift the leadership, refine initiatives, and initiate novel > projects and ideas for the betterment of our community. I promise to > continue my efforts as your 2nd VP; and to be open to suggestions, > concerns, > and ideas as we continue to build the National Federation of the Blind. > > > > Sincerely, > > Syed Rizvi > > President | Massachusetts Association of Blind Students > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 29 > Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 17:15:21 -0700 > From: Bryan Duarte > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Vote Syed Rizvi for Second Vice President of the > National Association of Blind Students > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Syed, > > You have my vote all day!!!! > > Go Devils! > > Bryan Duarte software engineer > ASU Computer Science Ph.D candidate > QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/ > > ?let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing > away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks > nothing; God alone suffices.? > -- St. Teresa of Avila > >> On Jun 9, 2016, at 5:13 PM, Syed Rizvi via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Good evening my Federation family, >> >> >> >> I hope this message finds you well. >> >> My name is Syed Rizvi and I am the President of the Massachusetts >> Association of Blind Students, the National Federation of the Blind of >> Massachusetts student division. I was brought to America by my parents >> when >> I was two years old with high hopes of having a brighter future. I have >> struggled with my degenerative vision since I was five years old; and >> have >> since been constantly in search of answers, guidance, and support. While >> I >> was confident in my intelligence, my lack of knowledge in regards to >> nonvisual methods of doing my work compelled me to fall behind my sighted >> counterparts. I desperately wanted success. My parents believed in me, my >> siblings supported me, and my friends treated me just like everyone else. >> Still, I worked ten times harder than those around me to achieve the same >> accomplishments. >> >> >> >> Two years ago, I attended my first event hosted by the National >> Federation >> of the Blind, a Massachusetts student social in Boston. I quickly, if not >> instantaneously, realized that finally, God had answered all my prayers. >> Surrounding me were all these students living the lives they wanted >> without >> blindness holding them back. Without hesitation, I immediately immersed >> myself with new friends and, in creating relationships, began to work to >> further the movement of the National Federation of the Blind. I adopted >> more >> responsibilities in terms of leadership and collaboration. My growth did >> not >> stop there, and will never cease as I continue to embrace our positive >> blindness philosophy. >> >> >> >> To ensure that blindness would no longer deter me from pursuing my >> aspirations and to solidify my philosophy, I halted my undergraduate >> college >> career, left my home of 17 years, quit my job, and flew over a thousand >> miles to Ruston, Louisiana. There, I attended blindness training at the >> Louisiana Center for the Blind, perhaps the greatest decision I have ever >> made. Alongside Federation leaders, newcomers, and mentors, I learned >> from >> passionate individuals in order for me to flourish in any path I decide >> to >> follow. >> >> >> >> After graduating from LCB on May 23, I returned home with a newfound >> understanding of the abilities of all blind people. This summer, I will >> be >> working for the Director of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) in >> Massachusetts to ensure that section 504 and section 508 of the >> rehabilitation act are properly enforced in our commonwealth. This fall, >> I >> will be venturing down to Texas start my journey as an Accounting student >> at >> the University of Texas at Austin. >> >> >> >> It was at the 75th annual national convention that I first found out >> about >> NFB training centers and the Student Division of the National Federation >> of >> the Blind. It was there that I eagerly signed up to work for every NABS >> committee in order to fully understand how our organization operates. For >> the past year, I have been working diligently alongside national student >> leaders. My fellow blind students, we have so much work that must be done >> to >> ensure we have equal access in higher education and in the workforce. I >> would not be where I am today without the support received from my >> Federation mentors, and I am sure that holds true for most of you as >> well. >> The relationships I've formed with current NABS leadership, as well as my >> state affiliate and other state student divisions demonstrates my >> dedication >> and passion for what we are fighting for each day. >> >> >> >> On Friday, July 1 , I will be running for >> the >> position of 2nd Vice President of the National Association of Blind >> Students. Now, I am asking for your support. Each and every vote counts >> as, >> together, we shift the leadership, refine initiatives, and initiate novel >> projects and ideas for the betterment of our community. I promise to >> continue my efforts as your 2nd VP; and to be open to suggestions, >> concerns, >> and ideas as we continue to build the National Federation of the Blind. >> >> >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Syed Rizvi >> >> President | Massachusetts Association of Blind Students >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bjduarte%40asu.edu > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 30 > Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 21:32:21 -0500 > From: David Andrews > To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Room > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > >> >>From: hannahgf88 at gmail.com >>Subject: Email request >>Could you please send this email out to the list I have not sent it to? >> >>National Federation of the Blind National Convention >> >>Hi. We have one spot left in our room. Looking for a non-smoker, >>nonparty person, and be OK with dogs. Let me know if you're >>interested. Feel free to email me at >>hannahgf88 at gmail.com. >> >>Hannah Furney >> >>Hannah Furney > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 31 > Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 08:03:01 -0400 > From: Roanna Bacchus > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Vote Syed Rizvi for Second Vice President of the > NationalAssociation of Blind Students > Message-ID: <575aaca4.455b810a.9bd2a.ffffc473 at mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Sidhe thanks for your message. I lived in Boston before > moving to Florida a few years ago. I hope you win this position. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > ------------------------------ > > End of NABS-L Digest, Vol 116, Issue 2 > ************************************** > From alpineimagination at gmail.com Fri Jun 10 16:13:18 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 11:13:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Vote Syed Rizvi for Second Vice President of the National Association of Blind Students In-Reply-To: <004901d1c2ac$e2dbbcb0$a8933610$@gmail.com> References: <004901d1c2ac$e2dbbcb0$a8933610$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1963DDDE-2456-4FD0-B013-F2701A59245B@gmail.com> Hi All, Please vote Syed Rizvi for second Vice-President of NABS. As someone who has known Syed through us both attending training at LCB, I can attest that he will make an excellent candidate for the job. While in training, he took all the skills he learned very seriously, and was still able to juggle work with MASSABS, as well as going above and beyond to secure himself an internship for the summer. As a friend of his and as a fellow Federationist, I can sincerely say that Syed has our back and will fight to make sure that we can be as equal to our sighted counterparts as possible. Please have your votes for him ready for July 1. Sincerely, Vejas Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 9, 2016, at 19:13, Syed Rizvi via NABS-L wrote: > > Good evening my Federation family, > > > > I hope this message finds you well. > > My name is Syed Rizvi and I am the President of the Massachusetts > Association of Blind Students, the National Federation of the Blind of > Massachusetts student division. I was brought to America by my parents when > I was two years old with high hopes of having a brighter future. I have > struggled with my degenerative vision since I was five years old; and have > since been constantly in search of answers, guidance, and support. While I > was confident in my intelligence, my lack of knowledge in regards to > nonvisual methods of doing my work compelled me to fall behind my sighted > counterparts. I desperately wanted success. My parents believed in me, my > siblings supported me, and my friends treated me just like everyone else. > Still, I worked ten times harder than those around me to achieve the same > accomplishments. > > > > Two years ago, I attended my first event hosted by the National Federation > of the Blind, a Massachusetts student social in Boston. I quickly, if not > instantaneously, realized that finally, God had answered all my prayers. > Surrounding me were all these students living the lives they wanted without > blindness holding them back. Without hesitation, I immediately immersed > myself with new friends and, in creating relationships, began to work to > further the movement of the National Federation of the Blind. I adopted more > responsibilities in terms of leadership and collaboration. My growth did not > stop there, and will never cease as I continue to embrace our positive > blindness philosophy. > > > > To ensure that blindness would no longer deter me from pursuing my > aspirations and to solidify my philosophy, I halted my undergraduate college > career, left my home of 17 years, quit my job, and flew over a thousand > miles to Ruston, Louisiana. There, I attended blindness training at the > Louisiana Center for the Blind, perhaps the greatest decision I have ever > made. Alongside Federation leaders, newcomers, and mentors, I learned from > passionate individuals in order for me to flourish in any path I decide to > follow. > > > > After graduating from LCB on May 23, I returned home with a newfound > understanding of the abilities of all blind people. This summer, I will be > working for the Director of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) in > Massachusetts to ensure that section 504 and section 508 of the > rehabilitation act are properly enforced in our commonwealth. This fall, I > will be venturing down to Texas start my journey as an Accounting student at > the University of Texas at Austin. > > > > It was at the 75th annual national convention that I first found out about > NFB training centers and the Student Division of the National Federation of > the Blind. It was there that I eagerly signed up to work for every NABS > committee in order to fully understand how our organization operates. For > the past year, I have been working diligently alongside national student > leaders. My fellow blind students, we have so much work that must be done to > ensure we have equal access in higher education and in the workforce. I > would not be where I am today without the support received from my > Federation mentors, and I am sure that holds true for most of you as well. > The relationships I've formed with current NABS leadership, as well as my > state affiliate and other state student divisions demonstrates my dedication > and passion for what we are fighting for each day. > > > > On Friday, July 1 , I will be running for the > position of 2nd Vice President of the National Association of Blind > Students. Now, I am asking for your support. Each and every vote counts as, > together, we shift the leadership, refine initiatives, and initiate novel > projects and ideas for the betterment of our community. I promise to > continue my efforts as your 2nd VP; and to be open to suggestions, concerns, > and ideas as we continue to build the National Federation of the Blind. > > > > Sincerely, > > Syed Rizvi > > President | Massachusetts Association of Blind Students > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com From brldotz at gmail.com Fri Jun 10 23:16:01 2016 From: brldotz at gmail.com (Lindsey Shapiro) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 19:16:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Converting text files to braille file Message-ID: Hello, I am Lindsey Shapiro, and I have a question. I have been trying to convert .txt files to .brf files using Kurzweil 3000. Is that possible or do I have to try something different? Thanks, Lindsey From kmaent1 at gmail.com Fri Jun 10 23:51:11 2016 From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 19:51:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Converting text files to braille file Message-ID: <575b5278.c338810a.309b6.3ff8@mx.google.com> Hi Lindsey, I don't know whether this is possible though I doubt it because Kurzweil 3000 is primarily a reading tool for people with low vision or dislexia. Almost anything that is capable of reading BRF files is capable of reading TXT files and converting them to BRF though. So perhaps you could do your conversion with whatever you were planning on reading the BRF files on? HTH, Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: Lindsey Shapiro via NABS-L References: <0O8700CJ3A6UFM80@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: What training center is this in New York? Sent from my iPad > On Jun 3, 2016, at 10:44, Sami Osborne via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Vejas and all, > > I personally don't think that it is necessary to indicate to Social Security that you're living in the dorm. The reason is that I've also been attending a blindness training center here in New York that is only an hour away from my house, and go home every weekend. I have my home address for SSI, so that's where they send my monthly benefits to. I have never had any problems with that; Social Security has never confronted me about what I do with my checks. The only thing they have contacted me about was to go to a meeting back in May so that they could have proof of my blindness and hard of hearing. > > So in summary, even though I live in the dorm at the training center (although like you I'll be finishing in two weeks and going back home for the summer), I still have my home address for receiveing my SSI benefits since it's only an hour away and since I go home on weekends. By the way, I'll be doing the same for college in the fall, because my college is also only about 15-20 minutes away from my house, and I'll also be living in the dorm during the week and going home on weekends. > > I hope this helps and have a great first weekend in June! > > Thanks, > > Sami > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Suzanne Germano via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Fri, 03 Jun 2016 06:51:38 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI > > It is much better to say you are living in the dorm. That would give you > full SSI checks. Do you pay rent at home? If you do you get full checks. > > On Thursday, June 2, 2016, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi All, > I have a couple of questions regarding SSI. > I am going to graduate from LCB in two weeks and moving back home for the > summer, so I know that I will need to report that I am living back home. > How far in advance do I need to do this, bearing in mind that my social > security rep is not the best at answering calls? > Secondly, I am going to be moving to my dorm in August. The college that > I am staying at is only 20 minutes away from home, which means that I can > always go home on weekends and can come and go as I please. I would > obviously be staying at home for breaks also. Would I still need to report > about staying in the dorm? > Thanks, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40as > u.edu > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ligne14%40ver > izon.net > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Jun 10 09:51:26 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 05:51:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about SSI In-Reply-To: References: <0O8700CJ3A6UFM80@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <017901d1c2fd$a8281a90$f8784fb0$@gmail.com> Just tell them you are paying rent, and use your home address. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of wmodnl wmodnl via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 3:18 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: wmodnl wmodnl ; Sami Osborne Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI What training center is this in New York? Sent from my iPad > On Jun 3, 2016, at 10:44, Sami Osborne via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Vejas and all, > > I personally don't think that it is necessary to indicate to Social Security that you're living in the dorm. The reason is that I've also been attending a blindness training center here in New York that is only an hour away from my house, and go home every weekend. I have my home address for SSI, so that's where they send my monthly benefits to. I have never had any problems with that; Social Security has never confronted me about what I do with my checks. The only thing they have contacted me about was to go to a meeting back in May so that they could have proof of my blindness and hard of hearing. > > So in summary, even though I live in the dorm at the training center (although like you I'll be finishing in two weeks and going back home for the summer), I still have my home address for receiveing my SSI benefits since it's only an hour away and since I go home on weekends. By the way, I'll be doing the same for college in the fall, because my college is also only about 15-20 minutes away from my house, and I'll also be living in the dorm during the week and going home on weekends. > > I hope this helps and have a great first weekend in June! > > Thanks, > > Sami > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Suzanne Germano via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI > > It is much better to say you are living in the dorm. That would give > you full SSI checks. Do you pay rent at home? If you do you get full checks. > > On Thursday, June 2, 2016, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L > wrote: > > Hi All, > I have a couple of questions regarding SSI. > I am going to graduate from LCB in two weeks and moving back home for > the summer, so I know that I will need to report that I am living back home. > How far in advance do I need to do this, bearing in mind that my > social security rep is not the best at answering calls? > Secondly, I am going to be moving to my dorm in August. The college > that I am staying at is only 20 minutes away from home, which means > that I can always go home on weekends and can come and go as I please. > I would obviously be staying at home for breaks also. Would I still > need to report about staying in the dorm? > Thanks, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40as > u.edu > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ligne14%40ver > izon.net > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.c > om _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From alpineimagination at gmail.com Sun Jun 12 03:19:34 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 22:19:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Email Setup on Braillenote Message-ID: <575cd4df.c80b9d0a.4025d.5a5c@mx.google.com> Hi, I would really like to set up my college email account on my Braille-Note. I am going to college at Loyola Marymount University. The address is my username at lion.lmu.edu. I was able to put it onto my IPhone by setting it up as a Google account. It basically just asked me for my college username and password, and then allowed me to set it up. But for the Braille-Note, I know that I am going to have to deal with both POP and SMTP and don't know the correct settings for that such as the port numbers. Is it even doable? Thanks, Vejas From kmaent1 at gmail.com Sun Jun 12 03:56:56 2016 From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 23:56:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Email Setup on Braillenote Message-ID: <575cdd94.c748810a.8d9da.0c62@mx.google.com> Of course it's doable. Call tech support for your college and ask them for any information you can't find on the website. ----- Original Message ----- From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L References: <575cdd94.c748810a.8d9da.0c62@mx.google.com> Message-ID: It is doable. You might have to go into your college email settings, and change some settings to POP3. I had to change some of my gmails security settings to get my GMAl account on my apex. By the way, there is a great video from humanware that tells you how to setup an email account on your apex, and it gives you all the correct port numbers, and SMTP information. Good luck. On 6/11/16, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L wrote: > Of course it's doable. Call tech support for your college and > ask them for any information you can't find on the website. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 22:19:34 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Email Setup on Braillenote > > Hi, > I would really like to set up my college email account on my > Braille-Note. I am going to college at Loyola Marymount > University. The address is my username at lion.lmu.edu. I was > able to put it onto my IPhone by setting it up as a Google > account. It basically just asked me for my college username and > password, and then allowed me to set it up. But for the > Braille-Note, I know that I am going to have to deal with both > POP and SMTP and don't know the correct settings for that such as > the port numbers. > Is it even doable? > Thanks, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > From kwakmiso at aol.com Sun Jun 12 07:39:41 2016 From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 03:39:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] {Spam?} Unsubscribe Message-ID: <155438d4bd0-665-f04d@webprd-a65.mail.aol.com> From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com Sun Jun 12 12:40:04 2016 From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 08:40:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Email Setup on Braillenote In-Reply-To: <575cd4df.c80b9d0a.4025d.5a5c@mx.google.com> References: <575cd4df.c80b9d0a.4025d.5a5c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Of course. You'll need the following information from your colleges IT department: pop server, SMTP server, Pop port, SMTP port, and whether it requires SMTP authentication and/or a secure connection. HTH, Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 11, 2016, at 11:19 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi, > I would really like to set up my college email account on my Braille-Note. I am going to college at Loyola Marymount University. The address is my username at lion.lmu.edu. I was able to put it onto my IPhone by setting it up as a Google account. It basically just asked me for my college username and password, and then allowed me to set it up. But for the Braille-Note, I know that I am going to have to deal with both POP and SMTP and don't know the correct settings for that such as the port numbers. > Is it even doable? > Thanks, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%40gmail.com From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu Sun Jun 12 15:40:08 2016 From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 11:40:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Email Setup on Braillenote In-Reply-To: References: <575cd4df.c80b9d0a.4025d.5a5c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <91C0860E-9820-4325-8AEF-52592CE64CF8@houghton.edu> Yes. If your school is using Google accounts, you can use the info for adding a Google God bless.--Christina > On Jun 12, 2016, at 08:40, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L wrote: > > Of course. You'll need the following information from your colleges IT department: pop server, SMTP server, Pop port, SMTP port, and whether it requires SMTP authentication and/or a secure connection. > > HTH, > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 11, 2016, at 11:19 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hi, >> I would really like to set up my college email account on my Braille-Note. I am going to college at Loyola Marymount University. The address is my username at lion.lmu.edu. I was able to put it onto my IPhone by setting it up as a Google account. It basically just asked me for my college username and password, and then allowed me to set it up. But for the Braille-Note, I know that I am going to have to deal with both POP and SMTP and don't know the correct settings for that such as the port numbers. >> Is it even doable? >> Thanks, >> Vejas >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu From claude at klein-edwards.com Sun Jun 12 23:06:31 2016 From: claude at klein-edwards.com (Claude Edwards) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 18:06:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Convention Roommate Message-ID: Seeking A Roommate For The N.F.B. Convention: Good day fellow Federationists. I'm seeking a male roommate for the upcoming National Convention. , and this is my first time participating in the event. I'm a birding and nature enthusiast from San diego, registered at the Rosen Shingle Creek Resort from June 29 to July 5. Please reply at, claude at klein-edwards.com, with a short description of yourself. Thank you and bbest regards, Claude Edwards -----Original Message----- From: David Andrews [mailto:dandrews at visi.com] Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 8:13 PM To: Claude Edwards Subject: RE: [Nfbnet-members-list] First-Timer's Guide to the National Federation of the Blind Convention You can write a request, and I will post it to some lists. The hotel doesn't offer anything in this area, but I am sure we can find you someone. Dave At 09:04 PM 6/11/2016, you wrote: >Thank you David, this information will be very helpful. >On a related subject, I have booked a room at the resort for the entire >convention, equipped with 2 beds. >However, I'm looking for a roommate to share the accomodations, and >don't know how to find someone. >Given that I am a first time attendee, it would be great to have >someone to interact with and share some experiences. >Is there a way to post a request or announcement somewhere, through NFB >or maybe the resort itself? >I am seeking a male non-smoker, first timer or not. >Beyond that, I don't know what to say about myself or what qualities >I'd like in the prospective roommate. >But I can offer my phone and email, which you may already have: >Area Code 619, 822-8687, and claude at klein-edwards.com > >Please advise me about this, or maybe there is someone else to send >this query to. >I really appreciate it. Cheers, Claude Edwards From the San Diego CA >area . > From jsoro620 at gmail.com Mon Jun 13 10:13:01 2016 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 06:13:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] My Blindness Philosophy is Better than Yours Message-ID: Should a blind person use their disability to take advantage of social perks? I briefly touched on the following story elsewhere in these pages. It has bearing on the current point though, so hang in there for a moment. Back in college I was once traveling with a fellow blind friend on Greyhound. We happened to arrive at the gate before anyone else, but because my traveling companion was, probably still is, an ultra independent blind person, they refused to board the bus first. The bus driver was confused. Why would this person want to let other passengers skip ahead when we'd beaten everyone else to the gate? The bus driver couldn't understand my companion was refusing to get on the bus ahead of everyone else on principle. Allowing persons with disabilities to skip ahead in line is just something society expects, and my companion, following their own philosophy of independence, was not going to feed into that presumptive notion. I have always wondered about the rationale to this way of thinking. What is it about using certain social perks directly linked to disabilities that inspire such delicate feelings of inferiority? Perhaps we are afraid to look inept by jumping to the front of a line. That speaks to perception, and just as laws do not change minds overnight, your position in line is not likely to automatically make someone think you are any more or less capable by standing ahead or behind. Do we really believe standing in the middle of the crowd will somehow make us more a part of the people? Will that translate to making us more approachable? More datable? More employable? Your subsequent words and actions after getting in line are more likely to have an influence over someone's opinion of you as a blind individual. Making a scene to be treated as an equal does not create equality. It creates a spectacle. Read the rest of the article at: http://joeorozco.com/blog_my_blindness_philosophy_is_better_than_yours Joe From louvins at gmail.com Mon Jun 13 12:18:29 2016 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 07:18:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] My Blindness Philosophy is Better than Yours In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I agree. I'd say if you were able to board a bus before others would be a good thing whether you were blind or not. I certainly would have gotten on the bus first. When I used to take the Van Gelder bus from Rockford to Chicago, the driver would help me find a seat on the bus. I never thought anything about it. It was just nice to get my seat, turn on my NLS player and listen to a book while the bus was on its way to Chicago. On 6/13/16, Joe Orozco via NABS-L wrote: > Should a blind person use their disability to take advantage of social > perks? > I briefly touched on the following story elsewhere in these pages. It > has bearing on the current point though, so hang in there for a > moment. > Back in college I was once traveling with a fellow blind friend on > Greyhound. We happened to arrive at the gate before anyone else, but > because my traveling companion was, probably still is, an ultra > independent blind person, they refused to board the bus first. The bus > driver was confused. Why would this person want to let other > passengers skip ahead when we'd beaten everyone else to the gate? The > bus driver couldn't understand my companion was refusing to get on the > bus ahead of everyone else on principle. Allowing persons with > disabilities to skip ahead in line is just something society expects, > and my companion, following their own philosophy of independence, was > not going to feed into that presumptive notion. > I have always wondered about the rationale to this way of thinking. > What is it about using certain social perks directly linked to > disabilities that inspire such delicate feelings of inferiority? > Perhaps we are afraid to look inept by jumping to the front of a line. > That speaks to perception, and just as laws do not change minds > overnight, your position in line is not likely to automatically make > someone think you are any more or less capable by standing ahead or > behind. Do we really believe standing in the middle of the crowd will > somehow make us more a part of the people? Will that translate to > making us more approachable? More datable? More employable? Your > subsequent words and actions after getting in line are more likely to > have an influence over someone's opinion of you as a blind individual. > Making a scene to be treated as an equal does not create equality. It > creates a spectacle. > > Read the rest of the article at: > > http://joeorozco.com/blog_my_blindness_philosophy_is_better_than_yours > > Joe > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Mon Jun 13 13:00:07 2016 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 09:00:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] My Blindness Philosophy is Better than Yours In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Joe and all, This is a great topic, and one that I have some strong feelings about. Generally, as a blind person, I use accommodations that are related to my blindness. I turn down accommodations that are meant for people with other disabilities. These include cuts in lines, priority seating, ramps and accessible restroom stalls. Although cuts in lines and priority seating are offered to me as a blind person, my blindness doesn't create a need for those accommodations. I recognize that there are individuals with other disabilities who actually benefit from, and sometimes require, such accommodations. The only reason I am offered such accommodations is because of stereotypes linking blindness with physical weakness. So, I turn these accommodations down. I do it quietly, don't make a scene, but I do turn them down. I know people with these other disabilities who say they are glad that I turn such accommodations down so that they can use them. Of course, if I have a temporary issue that limits my ability to stand or walk, such as when I had a bad allergic blister on my foot a few years ago, then I will accept such accommodations. I also recognize that for some blind individuals other than me, such as those who use guide dogs, accommodations like priority seating or a larger bathroom stall might be useful. The other piece of this, for me, involves following social rules of fairness. I believe in taking my proper turn in line. If something is first-come, first-served, and I get there first, I'll take it. If I get to the gate first, of course I'll board first. But if I get to the gate in the middle, I will board in the middle, and not cut to the front even if permitted to do so. For me this is a simple matter of politeness. It is also a matter of integrity. If I am going to say that I am equal to sighted people, then I need to behave that way. Again, I do it quietly. For me, it's not a matter of proving a point or convincing others of anything. It's a matter of living up to my personal values and allowing everyone around me to have fair access to resources. I am very fortunate to have a sighted spouse who gets this, and defends me when I turn down unneeded cutsin lines and other special treatment. This is just my opinion and I welcome other views on this. Best, Arielle On 6/13/16, Joshua Hendrickson via NABS-L wrote: > I agree. I'd say if you were able to board a bus before others would > be a good thing whether you were blind or not. I certainly would have > gotten on the bus first. When I used to take the Van Gelder bus from > Rockford to Chicago, the driver would help me find a seat on the bus. > I never thought anything about it. It was just nice to get my seat, > turn on my NLS player and listen to a book while the bus was on its > way to Chicago. > > On 6/13/16, Joe Orozco via NABS-L wrote: >> Should a blind person use their disability to take advantage of social >> perks? >> I briefly touched on the following story elsewhere in these pages. It >> has bearing on the current point though, so hang in there for a >> moment. >> Back in college I was once traveling with a fellow blind friend on >> Greyhound. We happened to arrive at the gate before anyone else, but >> because my traveling companion was, probably still is, an ultra >> independent blind person, they refused to board the bus first. The bus >> driver was confused. Why would this person want to let other >> passengers skip ahead when we'd beaten everyone else to the gate? The >> bus driver couldn't understand my companion was refusing to get on the >> bus ahead of everyone else on principle. Allowing persons with >> disabilities to skip ahead in line is just something society expects, >> and my companion, following their own philosophy of independence, was >> not going to feed into that presumptive notion. >> I have always wondered about the rationale to this way of thinking. >> What is it about using certain social perks directly linked to >> disabilities that inspire such delicate feelings of inferiority? >> Perhaps we are afraid to look inept by jumping to the front of a line. >> That speaks to perception, and just as laws do not change minds >> overnight, your position in line is not likely to automatically make >> someone think you are any more or less capable by standing ahead or >> behind. Do we really believe standing in the middle of the crowd will >> somehow make us more a part of the people? Will that translate to >> making us more approachable? More datable? More employable? Your >> subsequent words and actions after getting in line are more likely to >> have an influence over someone's opinion of you as a blind individual. >> Making a scene to be treated as an equal does not create equality. It >> creates a spectacle. >> >> Read the rest of the article at: >> >> http://joeorozco.com/blog_my_blindness_philosophy_is_better_than_yours >> >> Joe >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From kestomberg at coe.edu Mon Jun 13 13:12:52 2016 From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 08:12:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] My Blindness Philosophy is Better than Yours In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15203B1C-3E1F-46C5-AB8F-BFC27BEF97FA@coe.edu> To be completely honest, I see both sides of this argument. On one hand, I have had sighted people tell me that they don't feel it's fair that I get "special treatment." This has made me tempted to stop using perks such as getting onto a bus or plane first. However, I also feel that as blind people, we have to face challenges that sighted people don't think about. Even walking to class can be a scary adventure, especially when there is ice and snow to deal with. So, going to the front of the line or sitting on the bus before others seems to even the playing field. Therefore, I usually take this option, but only if it is offerred. I never ask people if I can go first, simply because I'm blind. For example, during my first year of college, there was a large event at my university, and the line was huge. I was standing with a sighted classmate, and he made a comment that surprised me. Have said, "Hey. I know how we can get to the front of the line... We just have to say we're with Kennedy. ... Hey Kennedy, will you tell the people in charge that you want to go to the front of the line?" I refused, because I didn't feel that he understood why such options are sometimes offerred to blind people. (Though, in this particular case, so option was never explicitly offerred.) I supose what I'm trying to say is that if a perk is offerred to me, I often take it. But I do not ask for perks, such as boarding a plane first, or special seating at a play. Those things are efficient, and they can be nice. But if they aren't offerred, it's okay. I don't mind waiting in line with those around me. Sorry for the long-winded e-mail, but I would love to know what other people think about this entreguing issue! Thanks! Kennedy Kennedy Stomberg (218)295-2391 > On Jun 13, 2016, at 7:18 AM, Joshua Hendrickson via NABS-L wrote: > > I agree. I'd say if you were able to board a bus before others would > be a good thing whether you were blind or not. I certainly would have > gotten on the bus first. When I used to take the Van Gelder bus from > Rockford to Chicago, the driver would help me find a seat on the bus. > I never thought anything about it. It was just nice to get my seat, > turn on my NLS player and listen to a book while the bus was on its > way to Chicago. > >> On 6/13/16, Joe Orozco via NABS-L wrote: >> Should a blind person use their disability to take advantage of social >> perks? >> I briefly touched on the following story elsewhere in these pages. It >> has bearing on the current point though, so hang in there for a >> moment. >> Back in college I was once traveling with a fellow blind friend on >> Greyhound. We happened to arrive at the gate before anyone else, but >> because my traveling companion was, probably still is, an ultra >> independent blind person, they refused to board the bus first. The bus >> driver was confused. Why would this person want to let other >> passengers skip ahead when we'd beaten everyone else to the gate? The >> bus driver couldn't understand my companion was refusing to get on the >> bus ahead of everyone else on principle. Allowing persons with >> disabilities to skip ahead in line is just something society expects, >> and my companion, following their own philosophy of independence, was >> not going to feed into that presumptive notion. >> I have always wondered about the rationale to this way of thinking. >> What is it about using certain social perks directly linked to >> disabilities that inspire such delicate feelings of inferiority? >> Perhaps we are afraid to look inept by jumping to the front of a line. >> That speaks to perception, and just as laws do not change minds >> overnight, your position in line is not likely to automatically make >> someone think you are any more or less capable by standing ahead or >> behind. Do we really believe standing in the middle of the crowd will >> somehow make us more a part of the people? Will that translate to >> making us more approachable? More datable? More employable? Your >> subsequent words and actions after getting in line are more likely to >> have an influence over someone's opinion of you as a blind individual. >> Making a scene to be treated as an equal does not create equality. It >> creates a spectacle. >> >> Read the rest of the article at: >> >> http://joeorozco.com/blog_my_blindness_philosophy_is_better_than_yours >> >> Joe >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu From kestomberg at coe.edu Mon Jun 13 13:24:08 2016 From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 08:24:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] My Blindness Philosophy is Better than Yours In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EE5EA9B-7B0F-48E9-AD12-2176D8858CB1@coe.edu> I think you bring up a very good point. When are acomidations offerred as a result of blindness, and when are they offred because of steriotypes. For example, I think many of us have had the experience of being offerred a wheelchair at an airport. This is something I always refuse. But I don't know that it's a distinction that I make often enough... Definitely something to think about. However, some would argue that taking accomidations such as extended testing time are not related to blindness. (Though, I happen to think they are, and that is something I take advantage of.) Definitely a very enteristing discussion. Kennedy Stomberg (218)295-2391 > On Jun 13, 2016, at 8:00 AM, Arielle Silverman via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Joe and all, > This is a great topic, and one that I have some strong feelings about. > Generally, as a blind person, I use accommodations that are related to > my blindness. I turn down accommodations that are meant for people > with other disabilities. These include cuts in lines, priority > seating, ramps and accessible restroom stalls. Although cuts in lines > and priority seating are offered to me as a blind person, my blindness > doesn't create a need for those accommodations. I recognize that there > are individuals with other disabilities who actually benefit from, and > sometimes require, such accommodations. The only reason I am offered > such accommodations is because of stereotypes linking blindness with > physical weakness. So, I turn these accommodations down. I do it > quietly, don't make a scene, but I do turn them down. I know people > with these other disabilities who say they are glad that I turn such > accommodations down so that they can use them. Of course, if I have a > temporary issue that limits my ability to stand or walk, such as when > I had a bad allergic blister on my foot a few years ago, then I will > accept such accommodations. I also recognize that for some blind > individuals other than me, such as those who use guide dogs, > accommodations like priority seating or a larger bathroom stall might > be useful. > The other piece of this, for me, involves following social rules of > fairness. I believe in taking my proper turn in line. If something is > first-come, first-served, and I get there first, I'll take it. If I > get to the gate first, of course I'll board first. But if I get to the > gate in the middle, I will board in the middle, and not cut to the > front even if permitted to do so. For me this is a simple matter of > politeness. It is also a matter of integrity. If I am going to say > that I am equal to sighted people, then I need to behave that way. > Again, I do it quietly. For me, it's not a matter of proving a point > or convincing others of anything. It's a matter of living up to my > personal values and allowing everyone around me to have fair access to > resources. I am very fortunate to have a sighted spouse who gets this, > and defends me when I turn down unneeded cutsin lines and other > special treatment. > This is just my opinion and I welcome other views on this. > Best, Arielle > >> On 6/13/16, Joshua Hendrickson via NABS-L wrote: >> I agree. I'd say if you were able to board a bus before others would >> be a good thing whether you were blind or not. I certainly would have >> gotten on the bus first. When I used to take the Van Gelder bus from >> Rockford to Chicago, the driver would help me find a seat on the bus. >> I never thought anything about it. It was just nice to get my seat, >> turn on my NLS player and listen to a book while the bus was on its >> way to Chicago. >> >>> On 6/13/16, Joe Orozco via NABS-L wrote: >>> Should a blind person use their disability to take advantage of social >>> perks? >>> I briefly touched on the following story elsewhere in these pages. It >>> has bearing on the current point though, so hang in there for a >>> moment. >>> Back in college I was once traveling with a fellow blind friend on >>> Greyhound. We happened to arrive at the gate before anyone else, but >>> because my traveling companion was, probably still is, an ultra >>> independent blind person, they refused to board the bus first. The bus >>> driver was confused. Why would this person want to let other >>> passengers skip ahead when we'd beaten everyone else to the gate? The >>> bus driver couldn't understand my companion was refusing to get on the >>> bus ahead of everyone else on principle. Allowing persons with >>> disabilities to skip ahead in line is just something society expects, >>> and my companion, following their own philosophy of independence, was >>> not going to feed into that presumptive notion. >>> I have always wondered about the rationale to this way of thinking. >>> What is it about using certain social perks directly linked to >>> disabilities that inspire such delicate feelings of inferiority? >>> Perhaps we are afraid to look inept by jumping to the front of a line. >>> That speaks to perception, and just as laws do not change minds >>> overnight, your position in line is not likely to automatically make >>> someone think you are any more or less capable by standing ahead or >>> behind. Do we really believe standing in the middle of the crowd will >>> somehow make us more a part of the people? Will that translate to >>> making us more approachable? More datable? More employable? Your >>> subsequent words and actions after getting in line are more likely to >>> have an influence over someone's opinion of you as a blind individual. >>> Making a scene to be treated as an equal does not create equality. It >>> creates a spectacle. >>> >>> Read the rest of the article at: >>> >>> http://joeorozco.com/blog_my_blindness_philosophy_is_better_than_yours >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu From kmaent1 at gmail.com Mon Jun 13 14:12:38 2016 From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 10:12:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] My Blindness Philosophy is Better than Yours Message-ID: <575ebf64.47df0d0a.ebc87.2054@mx.google.com> Kennedy, I think extended testing time is related to blindness depending on how you're taking the test. I took most of my tests with readers, and it just takes longer to have a reader read the question then tell them your answer make sure they heard you correctly (my first ever exam at college I got one question wrong because the reader heard B instead of D, so I've been very careful about this since) etc. And of course it takes even longer if you're say dictating short answers to a reader instead of just having them fill out a scantron. Best, Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L wrote: Hi Joe and all, This is a great topic, and one that I have some strong feelings about. Generally, as a blind person, I use accommodations that are related to my blindness. I turn down accommodations that are meant for people with other disabilities. These include cuts in lines, priority seating, ramps and accessible restroom stalls. Although cuts in lines and priority seating are offered to me as a blind person, my blindness doesn't create a need for those accommodations. I recognize that there are individuals with other disabilities who actually benefit from, and sometimes require, such accommodations. The only reason I am offered such accommodations is because of stereotypes linking blindness with physical weakness. So, I turn these accommodations down. I do it quietly, don't make a scene, but I do turn them down. I know people with these other disabilities who say they are glad that I turn such accommodations down so that they can use them. Of course, if I have a temporary issue that limits my ability to stand or walk, such as when I had a bad allergic blister on my foot a few years ago, then I will accept such accommodations. I also recognize that for some blind individuals other than me, such as those who use guide dogs, accommodations like priority seating or a larger bathroom stall might be useful. The other piece of this, for me, involves following social rules of fairness. I believe in taking my proper turn in line. If something is first-come, first-served, and I get there first, I'll take it. If I get to the gate first, of course I'll board first. But if I get to the gate in the middle, I will board in the middle, and not cut to the front even if permitted to do so. For me this is a simple matter of politeness. It is also a matter of integrity. If I am going to say that I am equal to sighted people, then I need to behave that way. Again, I do it quietly. For me, it's not a matter of proving a point or convincing others of anything. It's a matter of living up to my personal values and allowing everyone around me to have fair access to resources. I am very fortunate to have a sighted spouse who gets this, and defends me when I turn down unneeded cutsin lines and other special treatment. This is just my opinion and I welcome other views on this. Best, Arielle On 6/13/16, Joshua Hendrickson via NABS-L wrote: I agree. I'd say if you were able to board a bus before others would be a good thing whether you were blind or not. I certainly would have gotten on the bus first. When I used to take the Van Gelder bus from Rockford to Chicago, the driver would help me find a seat on the bus. I never thought anything about it. It was just nice to get my seat, turn on my NLS player and listen to a book while the bus was on its way to Chicago. On 6/13/16, Joe Orozco via NABS-L wrote: Should a blind person use their disability to take advantage of social perks? I briefly touched on the following story elsewhere in these pages. It has bearing on the current point though, so hang in there for a moment. Back in college I was once traveling with a fellow blind friend on Greyhound. We happened to arrive at the gate before anyone else, but because my traveling companion was, probably still is, an ultra independent blind person, they refused to board the bus first. The bus driver was confused. Why would this person want to let other passengers skip ahead when we'd beaten everyone else to the gate? The bus driver couldn't understand my companion was refusing to get on the bus ahead of everyone else on principle. Allowing persons with disabilities to skip ahead in line is just something society expects, and my companion, following their own philosophy of independence, was not going to feed into that presumptive notion. I have always wondered about the rationale to this way of thinking. What is it about using certain social perks directly linked to disabilities that inspire such delicate feelings of inferiority? Perhaps we are afraid to look inept by jumping to the front of a line. That speaks to perception, and just as laws do not change minds overnight, your position in line is not likely to automatically make someone think you are any more or less capable by standing ahead or behind. Do we really believe standing in the middle of the crowd will somehow make us more a part of the people? Will that translate to making us more approachable? More datable? More employable? Your subsequent words and actions after getting in line are more likely to have an influence over someone's opinion of you as a blind individual. Making a scene to be treated as an equal does not create equality. It creates a spectacle. Read the rest of the article at: http://joeorozco.com/blog_my_blindness_philosophy_is_better_than_ yours Joe _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gma il.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40 coe.edu _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma il.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sun Jun 12 15:13:51 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 11:13:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] My Blindness Philosophy is Better than Yours In-Reply-To: <575ebf64.47df0d0a.ebc87.2054@mx.google.com> References: <575ebf64.47df0d0a.ebc87.2054@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <000c01d1c4bd$07afcd80$170f6880$@gmail.com> I used necessary accommodations in college which were related to blindness, but I don't do that in social situations. It is very important to avoid cutting the line, or using my visual disability to gain an unfair social advantage in a social situation. I can't think of many social situations for me where blindness is something that should be accommodated for outside of a movie or something like that in a theater. I'm sure they exist, and I just am not pulling them up right now. I avoid using ramps, and other accommodations related to other disabilities, or even blindness accommodations I don't need so everyone who needs them can have fair resources. Ps. Some of you folks tried to give me a hard time when I was using some of my accommodations in college. Do any of you remember that? It was about extended test times which I used anytime I took a test. Kenedy, use that extended time.... LOL Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 10:13 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Karl Martin Adam Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Blindness Philosophy is Better than Yours Kennedy, I think extended testing time is related to blindness depending on how you're taking the test. I took most of my tests with readers, and it just takes longer to have a reader read the question then tell them your answer make sure they heard you correctly (my first ever exam at college I got one question wrong because the reader heard B instead of D, so I've been very careful about this since) etc. And of course it takes even longer if you're say dictating short answers to a reader instead of just having them fill out a scantron. Best, Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L wrote: Hi Joe and all, This is a great topic, and one that I have some strong feelings about. Generally, as a blind person, I use accommodations that are related to my blindness. I turn down accommodations that are meant for people with other disabilities. These include cuts in lines, priority seating, ramps and accessible restroom stalls. Although cuts in lines and priority seating are offered to me as a blind person, my blindness doesn't create a need for those accommodations. I recognize that there are individuals with other disabilities who actually benefit from, and sometimes require, such accommodations. The only reason I am offered such accommodations is because of stereotypes linking blindness with physical weakness. So, I turn these accommodations down. I do it quietly, don't make a scene, but I do turn them down. I know people with these other disabilities who say they are glad that I turn such accommodations down so that they can use them. Of course, if I have a temporary issue that limits my ability to stand or walk, such as when I had a bad allergic blister on my foot a few years ago, then I will accept such accommodations. I also recognize that for some blind individuals other than me, such as those who use guide dogs, accommodations like priority seating or a larger bathroom stall might be useful. The other piece of this, for me, involves following social rules of fairness. I believe in taking my proper turn in line. If something is first-come, first-served, and I get there first, I'll take it. If I get to the gate first, of course I'll board first. But if I get to the gate in the middle, I will board in the middle, and not cut to the front even if permitted to do so. For me this is a simple matter of politeness. It is also a matter of integrity. If I am going to say that I am equal to sighted people, then I need to behave that way. Again, I do it quietly. For me, it's not a matter of proving a point or convincing others of anything. It's a matter of living up to my personal values and allowing everyone around me to have fair access to resources. I am very fortunate to have a sighted spouse who gets this, and defends me when I turn down unneeded cutsin lines and other special treatment. This is just my opinion and I welcome other views on this. Best, Arielle On 6/13/16, Joshua Hendrickson via NABS-L wrote: I agree. I'd say if you were able to board a bus before others would be a good thing whether you were blind or not. I certainly would have gotten on the bus first. When I used to take the Van Gelder bus from Rockford to Chicago, the driver would help me find a seat on the bus. I never thought anything about it. It was just nice to get my seat, turn on my NLS player and listen to a book while the bus was on its way to Chicago. On 6/13/16, Joe Orozco via NABS-L wrote: Should a blind person use their disability to take advantage of social perks? I briefly touched on the following story elsewhere in these pages. It has bearing on the current point though, so hang in there for a moment. Back in college I was once traveling with a fellow blind friend on Greyhound. We happened to arrive at the gate before anyone else, but because my traveling companion was, probably still is, an ultra independent blind person, they refused to board the bus first. The bus driver was confused. Why would this person want to let other passengers skip ahead when we'd beaten everyone else to the gate? The bus driver couldn't understand my companion was refusing to get on the bus ahead of everyone else on principle. Allowing persons with disabilities to skip ahead in line is just something society expects, and my companion, following their own philosophy of independence, was not going to feed into that presumptive notion. I have always wondered about the rationale to this way of thinking. What is it about using certain social perks directly linked to disabilities that inspire such delicate feelings of inferiority? Perhaps we are afraid to look inept by jumping to the front of a line. That speaks to perception, and just as laws do not change minds overnight, your position in line is not likely to automatically make someone think you are any more or less capable by standing ahead or behind. Do we really believe standing in the middle of the crowd will somehow make us more a part of the people? Will that translate to making us more approachable? More datable? More employable? Your subsequent words and actions after getting in line are more likely to have an influence over someone's opinion of you as a blind individual. Making a scene to be treated as an equal does not create equality. It creates a spectacle. Read the rest of the article at: http://joeorozco.com/blog_my_blindness_philosophy_is_better_than_ yours Joe _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gma il.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40 coe.edu _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma il.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From kestomberg at coe.edu Mon Jun 13 15:02:12 2016 From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 10:02:12 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] My Blindness Philosophy is Better than Yours In-Reply-To: <000c01d1c4bd$07afcd80$170f6880$@gmail.com> References: <575ebf64.47df0d0a.ebc87.2054@mx.google.com> <000c01d1c4bd$07afcd80$170f6880$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <96F8A8B3-205F-4BC6-92D8-49F9B89FBB48@coe.edu> Hahaha! I think you are right. I use a computer with refreshable braille, or readers, so I use extended test time. But I remember people getting quite upset about it at my NFB state convention, so I just wondered how people felt about it. :) Kennedy Stomberg (218)295-2391 > On Jun 12, 2016, at 10:13 AM, justin via NABS-L wrote: > > I used necessary accommodations in college which were related to blindness, > but I don't do that in social situations. It is very important to avoid > cutting the line, or using my visual disability to gain an unfair social > advantage in a social situation. I can't think of many social situations > for me where blindness is something that should be accommodated for outside > of a movie or something like that in a theater. I'm sure they exist, and I > just am not pulling them up right now. > I avoid using ramps, and other accommodations related to other disabilities, > or even blindness accommodations I don't need so everyone who needs them can > have fair resources. > Ps. > Some of you folks tried to give me a hard time when I was using some of my > accommodations in college. Do any of you remember that? > It was about extended test times which I used anytime I took a test. > Kenedy, use that extended time.... > LOL > Justin > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin > Adam via NABS-L > Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 10:13 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Karl Martin Adam > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Blindness Philosophy is Better than Yours > > Kennedy, > > I think extended testing time is related to blindness depending on how > you're taking the test. I took most of my tests with readers, and it just > takes longer to have a reader read the question then tell them your answer > make sure they heard you correctly (my first ever exam at college I got one > question wrong because the reader heard B instead of D, so I've been very > careful about this since) etc. And of course it takes even longer if you're > say dictating short answers to a reader instead of just having them fill out > a scantron. > > Best, > Karl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 08:24:08 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Blindness Philosophy is Better than Yours > > I think you bring up a very good point. When are acomidations offerred as a > result of blindness, and when are they offred because of steriotypes. > For example, I think many of us have had the experience of being offerred a > wheelchair at an airport. This is something I always refuse. But I don't > know that it's a distinction that I make often enough... Definitely > something to think about. > However, some would argue that taking accomidations such as extended > testing time are not related to blindness. (Though, I happen to think they > are, and that is something I take advantage > of.) Definitely a very enteristing discussion. > > Kennedy Stomberg > (218)295-2391 > > On Jun 13, 2016, at 8:00 AM, Arielle Silverman via NABS-L > wrote: > > Hi Joe and all, > This is a great topic, and one that I have some strong feelings about. > Generally, as a blind person, I use accommodations that are related to my > blindness. I turn down accommodations that are meant for people with other > disabilities. These include cuts in lines, priority seating, ramps and > accessible restroom stalls. Although cuts in lines and priority seating are > offered to me as a blind person, my blindness doesn't create a need for > those accommodations. I recognize that there are individuals with other > disabilities who actually benefit from, and sometimes require, such > accommodations. The only reason I am offered such accommodations is because > of stereotypes linking blindness with physical weakness. So, I turn these > accommodations down. I do it quietly, don't make a scene, but I do turn > them down. I know people with these other disabilities who say they are > glad that I turn such accommodations down so that they can use them. Of > course, if I have a temporary issue that limits my ability to stand or > walk, such as when I had a bad allergic blister on my foot a few years ago, > then I will accept such accommodations. I also recognize that for some > blind individuals other than me, such as those who use guide dogs, > accommodations like priority seating or a larger bathroom stall might be > useful. > The other piece of this, for me, involves following social rules of > fairness. I believe in taking my proper turn in line. If something is > first-come, first-served, and I get there first, I'll take it. > If I > get to the gate first, of course I'll board first. But if I get to the > gate in the middle, I will board in the middle, and not cut to the front > even if permitted to do so. For me this is a simple matter of politeness. > It is also a matter of integrity. If I am going to say that I am equal to > sighted people, then I need to behave that way. > Again, I do it quietly. For me, it's not a matter of proving a point or > convincing others of anything. It's a matter of living up to my personal > values and allowing everyone around me to have fair access to resources. I > am very fortunate to have a sighted spouse who gets this, and defends me > when I turn down unneeded cutsin lines and other special treatment. > This is just my opinion and I welcome other views on this. > Best, Arielle > > On 6/13/16, Joshua Hendrickson via NABS-L > wrote: > I agree. I'd say if you were able to board a bus before others would be a > good thing whether you were blind or not. I certainly would have gotten on > the bus first. When I used to take the Van Gelder bus from Rockford to > Chicago, the driver would help me find a seat on the bus. > I never thought anything about it. It was just nice to get my seat, turn > on my NLS player and listen to a book while the bus was on its way to > Chicago. > > On 6/13/16, Joe Orozco via NABS-L wrote: > Should a blind person use their disability to take advantage of social > perks? > I briefly touched on the following story elsewhere in these pages. It has > bearing on the current point though, so hang in there for a moment. > Back in college I was once traveling with a fellow blind friend on > Greyhound. We happened to arrive at the gate before anyone else, but > because my traveling companion was, probably still is, an ultra independent > blind person, they refused to board the bus first. > The bus > driver was confused. Why would this person want to let other passengers > skip ahead when we'd beaten everyone else to the gate? The bus driver > couldn't understand my companion was refusing to get on the bus ahead of > everyone else on principle. Allowing persons with disabilities to skip > ahead in line is just something society expects, and my companion, > following their own philosophy of independence, was not going to feed into > that presumptive notion. > I have always wondered about the rationale to this way of thinking. > What is it about using certain social perks directly linked to > disabilities that inspire such delicate feelings of inferiority? > Perhaps we are afraid to look inept by jumping to the front of a line. > That speaks to perception, and just as laws do not change minds overnight, > your position in line is not likely to automatically make someone think you > are any more or less capable by standing ahead or behind. Do we really > believe standing in the middle of the crowd will somehow make us more a > part of the people? Will that translate to making us more approachable? > More datable? More employable? Your subsequent words and actions after > getting in line are more likely to have an influence over someone's opinion > of you as a blind individual. > Making a scene to be treated as an equal does not create equality. It > creates a spectacle. > > Read the rest of the article at: > > > http://joeorozco.com/blog_my_blindness_philosophy_is_better_than_ > yours > > Joe > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g > mail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40 > coe.edu > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu From kestomberg at coe.edu Mon Jun 13 15:43:32 2016 From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 10:43:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] iPhone Problem Message-ID: Hello, Friends, I hope this is the right place to post this... I have been having a bit of trouble with my iPhone. When I go to write in a text field My phone says Quick Nav Off, and then I can't use the keyboard on my phone. I can only use my Hims Braille Edge. This is anoying, because I don't always have my Braille keyboard with me, and because I can't use the keyboard on my phone, I can't use features such as the Dictate feature. Does anyone know what might be going on? Thank you! Kennedy Stomberg From louvins at gmail.com Mon Jun 13 16:10:39 2016 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 11:10:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] My Blindness Philosophy is Better than Yours In-Reply-To: <96F8A8B3-205F-4BC6-92D8-49F9B89FBB48@coe.edu> References: <575ebf64.47df0d0a.ebc87.2054@mx.google.com> <000c01d1c4bd$07afcd80$170f6880$@gmail.com> <96F8A8B3-205F-4BC6-92D8-49F9B89FBB48@coe.edu> Message-ID: When it comes to taking tests in college, I always have taken extended time on tests. I had a geometry test that took me 4 hours to do. That wasn't fun. I had a reader who was reading me the test and taking down my answers. I personally see nothing wrong with getting longer time to take tests. On 6/13/16, KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L wrote: > Hahaha! I think you are right. I use a computer with refreshable braille, or > readers, so I use extended test time. But I remember people getting quite > upset about it at my NFB state convention, so I just wondered how people > felt about it. :) > > Kennedy Stomberg > (218)295-2391 > >> On Jun 12, 2016, at 10:13 AM, justin via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> I used necessary accommodations in college which were related to >> blindness, >> but I don't do that in social situations. It is very important to avoid >> cutting the line, or using my visual disability to gain an unfair social >> advantage in a social situation. I can't think of many social situations >> for me where blindness is something that should be accommodated for >> outside >> of a movie or something like that in a theater. I'm sure they exist, and >> I >> just am not pulling them up right now. >> I avoid using ramps, and other accommodations related to other >> disabilities, >> or even blindness accommodations I don't need so everyone who needs them >> can >> have fair resources. >> Ps. >> Some of you folks tried to give me a hard time when I was using some of >> my >> accommodations in college. Do any of you remember that? >> It was about extended test times which I used anytime I took a test. >> Kenedy, use that extended time.... >> LOL >> Justin >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin >> Adam via NABS-L >> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 10:13 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Karl Martin Adam >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Blindness Philosophy is Better than Yours >> >> Kennedy, >> >> I think extended testing time is related to blindness depending on how >> you're taking the test. I took most of my tests with readers, and it >> just >> takes longer to have a reader read the question then tell them your >> answer >> make sure they heard you correctly (my first ever exam at college I got >> one >> question wrong because the reader heard B instead of D, so I've been very >> careful about this since) etc. And of course it takes even longer if >> you're >> say dictating short answers to a reader instead of just having them fill >> out >> a scantron. >> >> Best, >> Karl >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 08:24:08 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Blindness Philosophy is Better than Yours >> >> I think you bring up a very good point. When are acomidations offerred as >> a >> result of blindness, and when are they offred because of steriotypes. >> For example, I think many of us have had the experience of being offerred >> a >> wheelchair at an airport. This is something I always refuse. But I don't >> know that it's a distinction that I make often enough... Definitely >> something to think about. >> However, some would argue that taking accomidations such as extended >> testing time are not related to blindness. (Though, I happen to think >> they >> are, and that is something I take advantage >> of.) Definitely a very enteristing discussion. >> >> Kennedy Stomberg >> (218)295-2391 >> >> On Jun 13, 2016, at 8:00 AM, Arielle Silverman via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Hi Joe and all, >> This is a great topic, and one that I have some strong feelings about. >> Generally, as a blind person, I use accommodations that are related to >> my >> blindness. I turn down accommodations that are meant for people with >> other >> disabilities. These include cuts in lines, priority seating, ramps and >> accessible restroom stalls. Although cuts in lines and priority seating >> are >> offered to me as a blind person, my blindness doesn't create a need for >> those accommodations. I recognize that there are individuals with other >> disabilities who actually benefit from, and sometimes require, such >> accommodations. The only reason I am offered such accommodations is >> because >> of stereotypes linking blindness with physical weakness. So, I turn >> these >> accommodations down. I do it quietly, don't make a scene, but I do turn >> them down. I know people with these other disabilities who say they are >> glad that I turn such accommodations down so that they can use them. Of >> course, if I have a temporary issue that limits my ability to stand or >> walk, such as when I had a bad allergic blister on my foot a few years >> ago, >> then I will accept such accommodations. I also recognize that for some >> blind individuals other than me, such as those who use guide dogs, >> accommodations like priority seating or a larger bathroom stall might be >> useful. >> The other piece of this, for me, involves following social rules of >> fairness. I believe in taking my proper turn in line. If something is >> first-come, first-served, and I get there first, I'll take it. >> If I >> get to the gate first, of course I'll board first. But if I get to the >> gate in the middle, I will board in the middle, and not cut to the front >> even if permitted to do so. For me this is a simple matter of >> politeness. >> It is also a matter of integrity. If I am going to say that I am equal >> to >> sighted people, then I need to behave that way. >> Again, I do it quietly. For me, it's not a matter of proving a point or >> convincing others of anything. It's a matter of living up to my personal >> values and allowing everyone around me to have fair access to resources. >> I >> am very fortunate to have a sighted spouse who gets this, and defends me >> when I turn down unneeded cutsin lines and other special treatment. >> This is just my opinion and I welcome other views on this. >> Best, Arielle >> >> On 6/13/16, Joshua Hendrickson via NABS-L >> wrote: >> I agree. I'd say if you were able to board a bus before others would be >> a >> good thing whether you were blind or not. I certainly would have gotten >> on >> the bus first. When I used to take the Van Gelder bus from Rockford to >> Chicago, the driver would help me find a seat on the bus. >> I never thought anything about it. It was just nice to get my seat, >> turn >> on my NLS player and listen to a book while the bus was on its way to >> Chicago. >> >> On 6/13/16, Joe Orozco via NABS-L wrote: >> Should a blind person use their disability to take advantage of social >> perks? >> I briefly touched on the following story elsewhere in these pages. It >> has >> bearing on the current point though, so hang in there for a moment. >> Back in college I was once traveling with a fellow blind friend on >> Greyhound. We happened to arrive at the gate before anyone else, but >> because my traveling companion was, probably still is, an ultra >> independent >> blind person, they refused to board the bus first. >> The bus >> driver was confused. Why would this person want to let other passengers >> skip ahead when we'd beaten everyone else to the gate? The bus driver >> couldn't understand my companion was refusing to get on the bus ahead of >> everyone else on principle. Allowing persons with disabilities to skip >> ahead in line is just something society expects, and my companion, >> following their own philosophy of independence, was not going to feed >> into >> that presumptive notion. >> I have always wondered about the rationale to this way of thinking. >> What is it about using certain social perks directly linked to >> disabilities that inspire such delicate feelings of inferiority? >> Perhaps we are afraid to look inept by jumping to the front of a line. >> That speaks to perception, and just as laws do not change minds >> overnight, >> your position in line is not likely to automatically make someone think >> you >> are any more or less capable by standing ahead or behind. Do we really >> believe standing in the middle of the crowd will somehow make us more a >> part of the people? Will that translate to making us more approachable? >> More datable? More employable? Your subsequent words and actions after >> getting in line are more likely to have an influence over someone's >> opinion >> of you as a blind individual. >> Making a scene to be treated as an equal does not create equality. It >> creates a spectacle. >> >> Read the rest of the article at: >> >> >> http://joeorozco.com/blog_my_blindness_philosophy_is_better_than_ >> yours >> >> Joe >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gma >> il.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g >> mail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40 >> coe.edu >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma >> il.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > From ligne14 at verizon.net Mon Jun 13 16:21:48 2016 From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 12:21:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iPhone Problem Message-ID: <0O8P00BMTXH9QK00@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> Press Space with SH sign (dots 1-4-6) on your Braille Edge to make the keyboard visible. This works for me when I use my iPhone with my BrailleNote and need to use the keyboard on my phone. Hope this helps, Sami ----- Original Message ----- From: "STOMBERG, KENNEDY via NABS-L" References: <575ebf64.47df0d0a.ebc87.2054@mx.google.com> <000c01d1c4bd$07afcd80$170f6880$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I agree with Arielle. If I do not need the accommodation, then I will do my best not to take it. First of all, we should probably call these things what they are: accommodations. Shorter lines, priority boarding, and the like are accommodations for people with disabilities. Were they meant specifically for blind people? Not necessarily. Calling them social perks not only buys into the general idea that we should take advantage of accommodations simply because we can, but it is also misleading. It is illegal to force someone into taking an accommodation they do not need. I recently had an experience at an airport and learned about this part of the law because of it. The desk attendant told me that I could not take my dog on the escalator and had to use the elevator. In this instance, he and I had a discussion that led to my discovery that this "rule" was not an airport policy. If it had been policy, it would have violated the law. Let's look at another angle. When I flew to Colorado, I refused to go to the shorter line for people with disabilities. I can walk and stand just fine and didn't feel that I needed to be in the other line. I didn't have a problem with being asked to step in that line, but I did say no. The problem was that the airport worker person did not take no for an answer. He decided what I needed and did not listen to my refusal of the accommodation. I dislike the custodial attitude that those without disabilities know exactly what accommodations we require. Furthermore, I believe my yes should be taken as a yes and my no as a no. I would assert that this is the real problem here. This does not happen to me all the time. Sometimes, my "no thank you" is enough. But enough people have decided what I may need enough times that I believe it is a problem. And no matter the philosophy on taking accommodations that do not necessarily belong to us, we can all agree that we want our responses respected. We do not want to be treated like second class citizens, who accept what is given to us without question because that's all we deserve. Right? So then here we are. Does someone's acceptance of these accommodations hurt me if I choose to refuse them? Well, no, except that when I am advocating for myself, I have to respond that not every blind person is the same. Blind dude yesterday may have gone to the shorter line, but I am not that person, and I would like to decline this accommodation. I believe that this would cause more of a sceen, more of a spectical, to use the author's words. I would prefer no one compare me to the blind person yesterday who stood in the shorter line, but that's not reality. Sometimes people with disabilities are seen as all the same. Talk about misconceptions of the public that need changing... Again, I assert that this is the real problem. So, should we condemn someone for a different philosophy? No, but we should share our experiences, discuss with them the attitudes of the public, and remind them that these are the choices we have. Finally, I believe that the argument supporting the use of these accommodations to make our day a little easier is illogical. We can't read signs; getting in a shorter line will not solve this. And that does not make a plausible excuse. Blindness certainly can be an inconvenience, but do those accommodations lessen the blindness-related inconveniences? Sometimes, maybe they do, but when they don't, should we take them? Or should we examine why we're taking them and think critically about what effect our actions will have upon society? Interesting topic... Sorry for the lengthy response... :) On 6/12/16, justin via NABS-L wrote: > I used necessary accommodations in college which were related to blindness, > but I don't do that in social situations. It is very important to avoid > cutting the line, or using my visual disability to gain an unfair social > advantage in a social situation. I can't think of many social situations > for me where blindness is something that should be accommodated for outside > of a movie or something like that in a theater. I'm sure they exist, and I > just am not pulling them up right now. > I avoid using ramps, and other accommodations related to other > disabilities, > or even blindness accommodations I don't need so everyone who needs them > can > have fair resources. > Ps. > Some of you folks tried to give me a hard time when I was using some of my > accommodations in college. Do any of you remember that? > It was about extended test times which I used anytime I took a test. > Kenedy, use that extended time.... > LOL > Justin > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin > Adam via NABS-L > Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 10:13 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Karl Martin Adam > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Blindness Philosophy is Better than Yours > > Kennedy, > > I think extended testing time is related to blindness depending on how > you're taking the test. I took most of my tests with readers, and it just > takes longer to have a reader read the question then tell them your answer > make sure they heard you correctly (my first ever exam at college I got one > question wrong because the reader heard B instead of D, so I've been very > careful about this since) etc. And of course it takes even longer if > you're > say dictating short answers to a reader instead of just having them fill > out > a scantron. > > Best, > Karl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 08:24:08 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Blindness Philosophy is Better than Yours > > I think you bring up a very good point. When are acomidations offerred as a > result of blindness, and when are they offred because of steriotypes. > For example, I think many of us have had the experience of being offerred a > wheelchair at an airport. This is something I always refuse. But I don't > know that it's a distinction that I make often enough... Definitely > something to think about. > However, some would argue that taking accomidations such as extended > testing time are not related to blindness. (Though, I happen to think they > are, and that is something I take advantage > of.) Definitely a very enteristing discussion. > > Kennedy Stomberg > (218)295-2391 > > On Jun 13, 2016, at 8:00 AM, Arielle Silverman via NABS-L > wrote: > > Hi Joe and all, > This is a great topic, and one that I have some strong feelings about. > Generally, as a blind person, I use accommodations that are related to my > blindness. I turn down accommodations that are meant for people with other > disabilities. These include cuts in lines, priority seating, ramps and > accessible restroom stalls. Although cuts in lines and priority seating > are > offered to me as a blind person, my blindness doesn't create a need for > those accommodations. I recognize that there are individuals with other > disabilities who actually benefit from, and sometimes require, such > accommodations. The only reason I am offered such accommodations is > because > of stereotypes linking blindness with physical weakness. So, I turn these > accommodations down. I do it quietly, don't make a scene, but I do turn > them down. I know people with these other disabilities who say they are > glad that I turn such accommodations down so that they can use them. Of > course, if I have a temporary issue that limits my ability to stand or > walk, such as when I had a bad allergic blister on my foot a few years > ago, > then I will accept such accommodations. I also recognize that for some > blind individuals other than me, such as those who use guide dogs, > accommodations like priority seating or a larger bathroom stall might be > useful. > The other piece of this, for me, involves following social rules of > fairness. I believe in taking my proper turn in line. If something is > first-come, first-served, and I get there first, I'll take it. > If I > get to the gate first, of course I'll board first. But if I get to the > gate in the middle, I will board in the middle, and not cut to the front > even if permitted to do so. For me this is a simple matter of politeness. > It is also a matter of integrity. If I am going to say that I am equal to > sighted people, then I need to behave that way. > Again, I do it quietly. For me, it's not a matter of proving a point or > convincing others of anything. It's a matter of living up to my personal > values and allowing everyone around me to have fair access to resources. I > am very fortunate to have a sighted spouse who gets this, and defends me > when I turn down unneeded cutsin lines and other special treatment. > This is just my opinion and I welcome other views on this. > Best, Arielle > > On 6/13/16, Joshua Hendrickson via NABS-L > wrote: > I agree. I'd say if you were able to board a bus before others would be > a > good thing whether you were blind or not. I certainly would have gotten > on > the bus first. When I used to take the Van Gelder bus from Rockford to > Chicago, the driver would help me find a seat on the bus. > I never thought anything about it. It was just nice to get my seat, turn > on my NLS player and listen to a book while the bus was on its way to > Chicago. > > On 6/13/16, Joe Orozco via NABS-L wrote: > Should a blind person use their disability to take advantage of social > perks? > I briefly touched on the following story elsewhere in these pages. It has > bearing on the current point though, so hang in there for a moment. > Back in college I was once traveling with a fellow blind friend on > Greyhound. We happened to arrive at the gate before anyone else, but > because my traveling companion was, probably still is, an ultra > independent > blind person, they refused to board the bus first. > The bus > driver was confused. Why would this person want to let other passengers > skip ahead when we'd beaten everyone else to the gate? The bus driver > couldn't understand my companion was refusing to get on the bus ahead of > everyone else on principle. Allowing persons with disabilities to skip > ahead in line is just something society expects, and my companion, > following their own philosophy of independence, was not going to feed into > that presumptive notion. > I have always wondered about the rationale to this way of thinking. > What is it about using certain social perks directly linked to > disabilities that inspire such delicate feelings of inferiority? > Perhaps we are afraid to look inept by jumping to the front of a line. > That speaks to perception, and just as laws do not change minds > overnight, > your position in line is not likely to automatically make someone think > you > are any more or less capable by standing ahead or behind. Do we really > believe standing in the middle of the crowd will somehow make us more a > part of the people? Will that translate to making us more approachable? > More datable? More employable? Your subsequent words and actions after > getting in line are more likely to have an influence over someone's > opinion > of you as a blind individual. > Making a scene to be treated as an equal does not create equality. It > creates a spectacle. > > Read the rest of the article at: > > > http://joeorozco.com/blog_my_blindness_philosophy_is_better_than_ > yours > > Joe > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g > mail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40 > coe.edu > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie A. McGinnity President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division, Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri "For we walk by faith, not by sight" 2 Cor. 7 From mworkman.lists at gmail.com Mon Jun 13 16:42:33 2016 From: mworkman.lists at gmail.com (Marc Workman) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 10:42:33 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] My Blindness Philosophy is Better than Yours In-Reply-To: References: <575ebf64.47df0d0a.ebc87.2054@mx.google.com> <000c01d1c4bd$07afcd80$170f6880$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I think what’s missing from this discussion is that some of these so called perks, and I don’t think that’s the best term, are meant more to make things run smoothly than to make your life easier. Pre-boarding is done to give those who take a little longer to get settled a chance to get on the plane when it is less crowded. The result is that everyone gets settled faster than they would if pre-boarding did not exist or if no one took advantage of it. You could argue that blind people don’t take any longer to get settled. I think you’d be wrong, and I’d be willing to bet a large sum of money that in a controlled experiment, you would find that blind people, on average, take longer than sighted people, on average, to find a seat, store luggage, and get settled on a crowded plane. Note the words “on average”. Certainly some blind people are faster than some sighted people. Overall, though, pre-boarding gets everyone on the plane faster, saving everyone’s time and the airline’s money. Same goes for buses, trains, etc. I think something similar is true of priority seating and lineup arrangements, though there are other reasons why a blind person might choose to take advantage of these accommodations. Consider lineups, with very little vision, it is possible to comfortably and efficiently navigate a lineup on your own. As long as you can make out whether someone is standing two feet in front of you, you’re good to go. If you cannot see the person in front of you though, lineups can be very awkward. I’d be interested in the strategies of the totally blind. I’ve heard it suggested that you can gently rest your cane against the foot of the person in front of you. Sorry, but I think if the goal is to avoid having blind people look strange or awkward, then this technique, which I would argue requires an invasion of someone else’s space, is probably not the best approach. In some cases, avoiding the lineup altogether is probably the more graceful approach. As for seating, it’s not unusual for someone to stand and offer me a seat on city buses. When the bus is very crowded and I’m not going a long distance, I may politely decline the offer. After all, my legs are fine. Things are slightly more complicated with the dog now, but in general I have no problem with standing on a moving bus. The challenge is knowing when a seat has opened up. For example, there may be no open seats when I board a bus, I decline the offered seat because I can stand like anyone else, but then two stops later a seat opens up six rows back. I of course don’t have any way of knowing this short of regularly asking those around me. So I continue to stand as seats become available around me. Not only is this sort of strange looking, it actually does interfere with how efficiently other passengers are able to get on and off the bus. So as I said, in some cases I’ll decline the offer, but for the most part, I’ll accept, knowing that the other person is likely going to have an easier time finding another seat, and that this arrangement is not only easier for me, but it generally improves how smoothly the trip goes for all passengers. One caveat to all of this, if you want to do things on your own, even if it means slowing things down a bit, of course you should be able to do that. So I’m not saying blind people should be forced to pre-board, avoid lineups, and take the offered seat. Just like the person in the grocery store who insists on digging through pockets or purses to come up with exact change has a right to take longer than I do by simply tapping my credit card. If you want to do things your way, all the power to you. I would just say that this does not necessarily lead to better perceptions of blind people, and that there are good reasons why someone might opt to take advantage of something offered, even though the accommodation isn’t required in the strictest sense. Marc On 6/13/16, Julie McGinnity via NABS-L wrote: > Hi all, > > I agree with Arielle. If I do not need the accommodation, then I will > do my best not to take it. > > First of all, we should probably call these things what they are: > accommodations. Shorter lines, priority boarding, and the like are > accommodations for people with disabilities. Were they meant > specifically for blind people? Not necessarily. Calling them social > perks not only buys into the general idea that we should take > advantage of accommodations simply because we can, but it is also > misleading. > > It is illegal to force someone into taking an accommodation they do > not need. I recently had an experience at an airport and learned > about this part of the law because of it. The desk attendant told me > that I could not take my dog on the escalator and had to use the > elevator. In this instance, he and I had a discussion that led to my > discovery that this "rule" was not an airport policy. If it had been > policy, it would have violated the law. > > Let's look at another angle. When I flew to Colorado, I refused to go > to the shorter line for people with disabilities. I can walk and > stand just fine and didn't feel that I needed to be in the other line. > I didn't have a problem with being asked to step in that line, but I > did say no. The problem was that the airport worker person did not > take no for an answer. He decided what I needed and did not listen to > my refusal of the accommodation. I dislike the custodial attitude > that those without disabilities know exactly what accommodations we > require. Furthermore, I believe my yes should be taken as a yes and > my no as a no. I would assert that this is the real problem here. > > This does not happen to me all the time. Sometimes, my "no thank you" > is enough. But enough people have decided what I may need enough > times that I believe it is a problem. And no matter the philosophy on > taking accommodations that do not necessarily belong to us, we can all > agree that we want our responses respected. We do not want to be > treated like second class citizens, who accept what is given to us > without question because that's all we deserve. Right? > > So then here we are. Does someone's acceptance of these > accommodations hurt me if I choose to refuse them? Well, no, except > that when I am advocating for myself, I have to respond that not every > blind person is the same. Blind dude yesterday may have gone to the > shorter line, but I am not that person, and I would like to decline > this accommodation. I believe that this would cause more of a sceen, > more of a spectical, to use the author's words. I would prefer no one > compare me to the blind person yesterday who stood in the shorter > line, but that's not reality. Sometimes people with disabilities are > seen as all the same. Talk about misconceptions of the public that > need changing... Again, I assert that this is the real problem. > > So, should we condemn someone for a different philosophy? No, but we > should share our experiences, discuss with them the attitudes of the > public, and remind them that these are the choices we have. > > Finally, I believe that the argument supporting the use of these > accommodations to make our day a little easier is illogical. We can't > read signs; getting in a shorter line will not solve this. And that > does not make a plausible excuse. Blindness certainly can be an > inconvenience, but do those accommodations lessen the > blindness-related inconveniences? Sometimes, maybe they do, but when > they don't, should we take them? Or should we examine why we're > taking them and think critically about what effect our actions will > have upon society? > > Interesting topic... Sorry for the lengthy response... :) > > On 6/12/16, justin via NABS-L wrote: >> I used necessary accommodations in college which were related to >> blindness, >> but I don't do that in social situations. It is very important to avoid >> cutting the line, or using my visual disability to gain an unfair social >> advantage in a social situation. I can't think of many social situations >> for me where blindness is something that should be accommodated for >> outside >> of a movie or something like that in a theater. I'm sure they exist, and >> I >> just am not pulling them up right now. >> I avoid using ramps, and other accommodations related to other >> disabilities, >> or even blindness accommodations I don't need so everyone who needs them >> can >> have fair resources. >> Ps. >> Some of you folks tried to give me a hard time when I was using some of >> my >> accommodations in college. Do any of you remember that? >> It was about extended test times which I used anytime I took a test. >> Kenedy, use that extended time.... >> LOL >> Justin >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin >> Adam via NABS-L >> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 10:13 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Karl Martin Adam >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Blindness Philosophy is Better than Yours >> >> Kennedy, >> >> I think extended testing time is related to blindness depending on how >> you're taking the test. I took most of my tests with readers, and it >> just >> takes longer to have a reader read the question then tell them your >> answer >> make sure they heard you correctly (my first ever exam at college I got >> one >> question wrong because the reader heard B instead of D, so I've been very >> careful about this since) etc. And of course it takes even longer if >> you're >> say dictating short answers to a reader instead of just having them fill >> out >> a scantron. >> >> Best, >> Karl >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 08:24:08 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Blindness Philosophy is Better than Yours >> >> I think you bring up a very good point. When are acomidations offerred as >> a >> result of blindness, and when are they offred because of steriotypes. >> For example, I think many of us have had the experience of being offerred >> a >> wheelchair at an airport. This is something I always refuse. But I don't >> know that it's a distinction that I make often enough... Definitely >> something to think about. >> However, some would argue that taking accomidations such as extended >> testing time are not related to blindness. (Though, I happen to think >> they >> are, and that is something I take advantage >> of.) Definitely a very enteristing discussion. >> >> Kennedy Stomberg >> (218)295-2391 >> >> On Jun 13, 2016, at 8:00 AM, Arielle Silverman via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Hi Joe and all, >> This is a great topic, and one that I have some strong feelings about. >> Generally, as a blind person, I use accommodations that are related to >> my >> blindness. I turn down accommodations that are meant for people with >> other >> disabilities. These include cuts in lines, priority seating, ramps and >> accessible restroom stalls. Although cuts in lines and priority seating >> are >> offered to me as a blind person, my blindness doesn't create a need for >> those accommodations. I recognize that there are individuals with other >> disabilities who actually benefit from, and sometimes require, such >> accommodations. The only reason I am offered such accommodations is >> because >> of stereotypes linking blindness with physical weakness. So, I turn >> these >> accommodations down. I do it quietly, don't make a scene, but I do turn >> them down. I know people with these other disabilities who say they are >> glad that I turn such accommodations down so that they can use them. Of >> course, if I have a temporary issue that limits my ability to stand or >> walk, such as when I had a bad allergic blister on my foot a few years >> ago, >> then I will accept such accommodations. I also recognize that for some >> blind individuals other than me, such as those who use guide dogs, >> accommodations like priority seating or a larger bathroom stall might be >> useful. >> The other piece of this, for me, involves following social rules of >> fairness. I believe in taking my proper turn in line. If something is >> first-come, first-served, and I get there first, I'll take it. >> If I >> get to the gate first, of course I'll board first. But if I get to the >> gate in the middle, I will board in the middle, and not cut to the front >> even if permitted to do so. For me this is a simple matter of >> politeness. >> It is also a matter of integrity. If I am going to say that I am equal >> to >> sighted people, then I need to behave that way. >> Again, I do it quietly. For me, it's not a matter of proving a point or >> convincing others of anything. It's a matter of living up to my personal >> values and allowing everyone around me to have fair access to resources. >> I >> am very fortunate to have a sighted spouse who gets this, and defends me >> when I turn down unneeded cutsin lines and other special treatment. >> This is just my opinion and I welcome other views on this. >> Best, Arielle >> >> On 6/13/16, Joshua Hendrickson via NABS-L >> wrote: >> I agree. I'd say if you were able to board a bus before others would >> be >> a >> good thing whether you were blind or not. I certainly would have gotten >> on >> the bus first. When I used to take the Van Gelder bus from Rockford to >> Chicago, the driver would help me find a seat on the bus. >> I never thought anything about it. It was just nice to get my seat, >> turn >> on my NLS player and listen to a book while the bus was on its way to >> Chicago. >> >> On 6/13/16, Joe Orozco via NABS-L wrote: >> Should a blind person use their disability to take advantage of social >> perks? >> I briefly touched on the following story elsewhere in these pages. It >> has >> bearing on the current point though, so hang in there for a moment. >> Back in college I was once traveling with a fellow blind friend on >> Greyhound. We happened to arrive at the gate before anyone else, but >> because my traveling companion was, probably still is, an ultra >> independent >> blind person, they refused to board the bus first. >> The bus >> driver was confused. Why would this person want to let other passengers >> skip ahead when we'd beaten everyone else to the gate? The bus driver >> couldn't understand my companion was refusing to get on the bus ahead of >> everyone else on principle. Allowing persons with disabilities to skip >> ahead in line is just something society expects, and my companion, >> following their own philosophy of independence, was not going to feed >> into >> that presumptive notion. >> I have always wondered about the rationale to this way of thinking. >> What is it about using certain social perks directly linked to >> disabilities that inspire such delicate feelings of inferiority? >> Perhaps we are afraid to look inept by jumping to the front of a line. >> That speaks to perception, and just as laws do not change minds >> overnight, >> your position in line is not likely to automatically make someone think >> you >> are any more or less capable by standing ahead or behind. Do we really >> believe standing in the middle of the crowd will somehow make us more a >> part of the people? Will that translate to making us more approachable? >> More datable? More employable? Your subsequent words and actions after >> getting in line are more likely to have an influence over someone's >> opinion >> of you as a blind individual. >> Making a scene to be treated as an equal does not create equality. It >> creates a spectacle. >> >> Read the rest of the article at: >> >> >> http://joeorozco.com/blog_my_blindness_philosophy_is_better_than_ >> yours >> >> Joe >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gma >> il.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g >> mail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40 >> coe.edu >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma >> il.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Julie A. McGinnity > President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division, > Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri > "For we walk by faith, not by sight" > 2 Cor. 7 > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman.lists%40gmail.com > From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sun Jun 12 18:23:06 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 14:23:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] My Blindness Philosophy is Better than Yours In-Reply-To: References: <575ebf64.47df0d0a.ebc87.2054@mx.google.com> <000c01d1c4bd$07afcd80$170f6880$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <007b01d1c4d7$77ad3db0$6707b910$@gmail.com> Preboarding is a little different; with all of the chaos which can happen during boarding a plane or other conveyance, I've done that before, taking early boarding, and once or twice, I haven't. I'm also not an experienced enough traveler to tell anyone how to do that. When you are traveling, the idea is to ensure you get from point a, to point b. But, I'm not an experienced enough traveler to really say much about that. Justin Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marc Workman via NABS-L Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 12:43 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Marc Workman Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Blindness Philosophy is Better than Yours I think what’s missing from this discussion is that some of these so called perks, and I don’t think that’s the best term, are meant more to make things run smoothly than to make your life easier. Pre-boarding is done to give those who take a little longer to get settled a chance to get on the plane when it is less crowded. The result is that everyone gets settled faster than they would if pre-boarding did not exist or if no one took advantage of it. You could argue that blind people don’t take any longer to get settled. I think you’d be wrong, and I’d be willing to bet a large sum of money that in a controlled experiment, you would find that blind people, on average, take longer than sighted people, on average, to find a seat, store luggage, and get settled on a crowded plane. Note the words “on average”. Certainly some blind people are faster than some sighted people. Overall, though, pre-boarding gets everyone on the plane faster, saving everyone’s time and the airline’s money. Same goes for buses, trains, etc. I think something similar is true of priority seating and lineup arrangements, though there are other reasons why a blind person might choose to take advantage of these accommodations. Consider lineups, with very little vision, it is possible to comfortably and efficiently navigate a lineup on your own. As long as you can make out whether someone is standing two feet in front of you, you’re good to go. If you cannot see the person in front of you though, lineups can be very awkward. I’d be interested in the strategies of the totally blind. I’ve heard it suggested that you can gently rest your cane against the foot of the person in front of you. Sorry, but I think if the goal is to avoid having blind people look strange or awkward, then this technique, which I would argue requires an invasion of someone else’s space, is probably not the best approach. In some cases, avoiding the lineup altogether is probably the more graceful approach. As for seating, it’s not unusual for someone to stand and offer me a seat on city buses. When the bus is very crowded and I’m not going a long distance, I may politely decline the offer. After all, my legs are fine. Things are slightly more complicated with the dog now, but in general I have no problem with standing on a moving bus. The challenge is knowing when a seat has opened up. For example, there may be no open seats when I board a bus, I decline the offered seat because I can stand like anyone else, but then two stops later a seat opens up six rows back. I of course don’t have any way of knowing this short of regularly asking those around me. So I continue to stand as seats become available around me. Not only is this sort of strange looking, it actually does interfere with how efficiently other passengers are able to get on and off the bus. So as I said, in some cases I’ll decline the offer, but for the most part, I’ll accept, knowing that the other person is likely going to have an easier time finding another seat, and that this arrangement is not only easier for me, but it generally improves how smoothly the trip goes for all passengers. One caveat to all of this, if you want to do things on your own, even if it means slowing things down a bit, of course you should be able to do that. So I’m not saying blind people should be forced to pre-board, avoid lineups, and take the offered seat. Just like the person in the grocery store who insists on digging through pockets or purses to come up with exact change has a right to take longer than I do by simply tapping my credit card. If you want to do things your way, all the power to you. I would just say that this does not necessarily lead to better perceptions of blind people, and that there are good reasons why someone might opt to take advantage of something offered, even though the accommodation isn’t required in the strictest sense. Marc On 6/13/16, Julie McGinnity via NABS-L wrote: > Hi all, > > I agree with Arielle. If I do not need the accommodation, then I will > do my best not to take it. > > First of all, we should probably call these things what they are: > accommodations. Shorter lines, priority boarding, and the like are > accommodations for people with disabilities. Were they meant > specifically for blind people? Not necessarily. Calling them social > perks not only buys into the general idea that we should take > advantage of accommodations simply because we can, but it is also > misleading. > > It is illegal to force someone into taking an accommodation they do > not need. I recently had an experience at an airport and learned > about this part of the law because of it. The desk attendant told me > that I could not take my dog on the escalator and had to use the > elevator. In this instance, he and I had a discussion that led to my > discovery that this "rule" was not an airport policy. If it had been > policy, it would have violated the law. > > Let's look at another angle. When I flew to Colorado, I refused to go > to the shorter line for people with disabilities. I can walk and > stand just fine and didn't feel that I needed to be in the other line. > I didn't have a problem with being asked to step in that line, but I > did say no. The problem was that the airport worker person did not > take no for an answer. He decided what I needed and did not listen to > my refusal of the accommodation. I dislike the custodial attitude > that those without disabilities know exactly what accommodations we > require. Furthermore, I believe my yes should be taken as a yes and > my no as a no. I would assert that this is the real problem here. > > This does not happen to me all the time. Sometimes, my "no thank you" > is enough. But enough people have decided what I may need enough > times that I believe it is a problem. And no matter the philosophy on > taking accommodations that do not necessarily belong to us, we can all > agree that we want our responses respected. We do not want to be > treated like second class citizens, who accept what is given to us > without question because that's all we deserve. Right? > > So then here we are. Does someone's acceptance of these > accommodations hurt me if I choose to refuse them? Well, no, except > that when I am advocating for myself, I have to respond that not every > blind person is the same. Blind dude yesterday may have gone to the > shorter line, but I am not that person, and I would like to decline > this accommodation. I believe that this would cause more of a sceen, > more of a spectical, to use the author's words. I would prefer no one > compare me to the blind person yesterday who stood in the shorter > line, but that's not reality. Sometimes people with disabilities are > seen as all the same. Talk about misconceptions of the public that > need changing... Again, I assert that this is the real problem. > > So, should we condemn someone for a different philosophy? No, but we > should share our experiences, discuss with them the attitudes of the > public, and remind them that these are the choices we have. > > Finally, I believe that the argument supporting the use of these > accommodations to make our day a little easier is illogical. We can't > read signs; getting in a shorter line will not solve this. And that > does not make a plausible excuse. Blindness certainly can be an > inconvenience, but do those accommodations lessen the > blindness-related inconveniences? Sometimes, maybe they do, but when > they don't, should we take them? Or should we examine why we're > taking them and think critically about what effect our actions will > have upon society? > > Interesting topic... Sorry for the lengthy response... :) > > On 6/12/16, justin via NABS-L wrote: >> I used necessary accommodations in college which were related to >> blindness, but I don't do that in social situations. It is very >> important to avoid cutting the line, or using my visual disability >> to gain an unfair social advantage in a social situation. I can't >> think of many social situations for me where blindness is something >> that should be accommodated for outside of a movie or something like >> that in a theater. I'm sure they exist, and I just am not pulling >> them up right now. >> I avoid using ramps, and other accommodations related to other >> disabilities, or even blindness accommodations I don't need so >> everyone who needs them can have fair resources. >> Ps. >> Some of you folks tried to give me a hard time when I was using some >> of my accommodations in college. Do any of you remember that? >> It was about extended test times which I used anytime I took a test. >> Kenedy, use that extended time.... >> LOL >> Justin >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl >> Martin Adam via NABS-L >> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 10:13 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Karl Martin Adam >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Blindness Philosophy is Better than Yours >> >> Kennedy, >> >> I think extended testing time is related to blindness depending on >> how you're taking the test. I took most of my tests with readers, >> and it just takes longer to have a reader read the question then tell >> them your answer make sure they heard you correctly (my first ever >> exam at college I got one question wrong because the reader heard B >> instead of D, so I've been very careful about this since) etc. And >> of course it takes even longer if you're say dictating short answers >> to a reader instead of just having them fill out a scantron. >> >> Best, >> Karl >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Blindness Philosophy is Better than Yours >> >> I think you bring up a very good point. When are acomidations >> offerred as a result of blindness, and when are they offred because >> of steriotypes. >> For example, I think many of us have had the experience of being >> offerred a wheelchair at an airport. This is something I always >> refuse. But I don't know that it's a distinction that I make often >> enough... Definitely something to think about. >> However, some would argue that taking accomidations such as extended >> testing time are not related to blindness. (Though, I happen to think >> they are, and that is something I take advantage >> of.) Definitely a very enteristing discussion. >> >> Kennedy Stomberg >> (218)295-2391 >> >> On Jun 13, 2016, at 8:00 AM, Arielle Silverman via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Hi Joe and all, >> This is a great topic, and one that I have some strong feelings about. >> Generally, as a blind person, I use accommodations that are related >> to my blindness. I turn down accommodations that are meant for people >> with other disabilities. These include cuts in lines, priority >> seating, ramps and accessible restroom stalls. Although cuts in lines >> and priority seating are offered to me as a blind person, my >> blindness doesn't create a need for those accommodations. I >> recognize that there are individuals with other disabilities who >> actually benefit from, and sometimes require, such accommodations. >> The only reason I am offered such accommodations is because of >> stereotypes linking blindness with physical weakness. So, I turn >> these accommodations down. I do it quietly, don't make a scene, but >> I do turn them down. I know people with these other disabilities who >> say they are glad that I turn such accommodations down so that they >> can use them. Of course, if I have a temporary issue that limits my >> ability to stand or walk, such as when I had a bad allergic blister >> on my foot a few years ago, then I will accept such accommodations. >> I also recognize that for some blind individuals other than me, such >> as those who use guide dogs, accommodations like priority seating or >> a larger bathroom stall might be useful. >> The other piece of this, for me, involves following social rules of >> fairness. I believe in taking my proper turn in line. If something is >> first-come, first-served, and I get there first, I'll take it. >> If I >> get to the gate first, of course I'll board first. But if I get to >> the gate in the middle, I will board in the middle, and not cut to >> the front even if permitted to do so. For me this is a simple matter >> of politeness. >> It is also a matter of integrity. If I am going to say that I am >> equal to sighted people, then I need to behave that way. >> Again, I do it quietly. For me, it's not a matter of proving a point >> or convincing others of anything. It's a matter of living up to my >> personal values and allowing everyone around me to have fair access to resources. >> I >> am very fortunate to have a sighted spouse who gets this, and >> defends me when I turn down unneeded cutsin lines and other special treatment. >> This is just my opinion and I welcome other views on this. >> Best, Arielle >> >> On 6/13/16, Joshua Hendrickson via NABS-L >> wrote: >> I agree. I'd say if you were able to board a bus before others >> would be a good thing whether you were blind or not. I certainly >> would have gotten on the bus first. When I used to take the Van >> Gelder bus from Rockford to Chicago, the driver would help me find a >> seat on the bus. >> I never thought anything about it. It was just nice to get my seat, >> turn on my NLS player and listen to a book while the bus was on its >> way to Chicago. >> >> On 6/13/16, Joe Orozco via NABS-L wrote: >> Should a blind person use their disability to take advantage of >> social perks? >> I briefly touched on the following story elsewhere in these pages. >> It has bearing on the current point though, so hang in there for a >> moment. >> Back in college I was once traveling with a fellow blind friend on >> Greyhound. We happened to arrive at the gate before anyone else, but >> because my traveling companion was, probably still is, an ultra >> independent blind person, they refused to board the bus first. >> The bus >> driver was confused. Why would this person want to let other >> passengers skip ahead when we'd beaten everyone else to the gate? The >> bus driver couldn't understand my companion was refusing to get on >> the bus ahead of everyone else on principle. Allowing persons with >> disabilities to skip ahead in line is just something society expects, >> and my companion, following their own philosophy of independence, was >> not going to feed into that presumptive notion. >> I have always wondered about the rationale to this way of thinking. >> What is it about using certain social perks directly linked to >> disabilities that inspire such delicate feelings of inferiority? >> Perhaps we are afraid to look inept by jumping to the front of a line. >> That speaks to perception, and just as laws do not change minds >> overnight, your position in line is not likely to automatically make >> someone think you are any more or less capable by standing ahead or >> behind. Do we really believe standing in the middle of the crowd will >> somehow make us more a part of the people? Will that translate to >> making us more approachable? >> More datable? More employable? Your subsequent words and actions >> after getting in line are more likely to have an influence over >> someone's opinion of you as a blind individual. >> Making a scene to be treated as an equal does not create equality. >> It creates a spectacle. >> >> Read the rest of the article at: >> >> >> http://joeorozco.com/blog_my_blindness_philosophy_is_better_than_ >> yours >> >> Joe >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> NABS-L: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gma >> il.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> NABS-L: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g >> mail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> NABS-L: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40 >> coe.edu >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma >> il.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2% >> 40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail >> .com >> > > > -- > Julie A. McGinnity > President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division, > Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri > "For we walk by faith, not by sight" > 2 Cor. 7 > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman.lists%40g > mail.com > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com From kmaent1 at gmail.com Mon Jun 13 22:41:41 2016 From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 18:41:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] My Blindness Philosophy is Better than Yours Message-ID: <575f36b5.07f20d0a.8994c.ffff8353@mx.google.com> Hi Joe, Looking at your full article, you seem to be conflating two separate issues. One is whether we should judge or look down on people who are les independent than we are or who do not know how to (or find it very difficult to) do certain things independently. I agree with what you have to say about this. Different people have different levels of training, different sets of additional disabilities, different life experiences, and different preferences, and it's up to each person to figure out what they are comfortable doing on their own and what they need help with. The second issue is whether we should take advantage of our blindness to get "perks" that sighted people offer us and that we don't really need. I think this kind of case is completely different from one in which a blind person needs help or an accommodation to do something. Cutting in line, taking someone else's seat because they feel sorry for us and offer it, getting schools to exempt us from general education requirements because there's a class we don't want to take and we can spin it as being too hard for a blind person, avoiding academic requirements like following the appropriate style guide for the field one is writing a paper in, getting on the plane before everyone else so we have room for our bag in the overhead bin, etc. are not accommodations to help us claim our right to be in the world. They are a way of taking advantage of sighted people who feel sorry for us and, in many cases, trust us to be honest when we say that something is a necessary accommodation. Refusing to do this sort of thing has nothing to do with how we appear. It's about integrity. This being said, of course not going first in line when you actually got to the front of the line first is silly. I have no idea why your friend wanted to go back in line unless they didn't realize they got there first. Best, Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Orozco via NABS-L Hi=20Marc, Regarding=20standing=20in=20lines,=20as=20a=20totally=20blind=20person,=20I= 've=20 never=20had=20a=20problem=20putting=20my=20cane=20on=20the=20shoe=20of=20th= e=20person=20in=20 front=20of=20me.=20=20Being=20totally=20blind,=20I=20of=20course=20have=20n= o=20idea=20how=20 this=20looks,=20but=20at=20least=20for=20me=20what=20matters=20is=20not=20h= ow=20it=20looks=20 but=20that=20it's=20an=20efficient=20way=20of=20going=20through=20the=20lin= e.=20=20I=20also=20 don't=20need=20to=20do=20this=20at=20all=20if=20the=20people=20in=20front=20= of=20me=20are=20 talking=20or=20otherwise=20make=20a=20sound=20when=20they=20move=20up=20(by= =20wheeling=20 one=20of=20the=20noisy=20carryons=20for=20instance).=20=20I=20don't=20consi= der=20 touching=20the=20heel=20of=20someone's=20shoe=20with=20the=20tip=20of=20my= =20cane=20an=20 invasion=20of=20personal=20space,=20and=20I've=20never=20had=20anyone=20obj= ect=20to=20 me=20doing=20that,=20though=20I=20of=20course=20understand=20how=20you=20mi= ght=20have=20a=20 problem=20if=20you=20do. Best, Karl =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Marc=20Workman=20via=20NABS-L=20=20wr= ote: =20Hi=20all, =20I=20agree=20with=20Arielle.=20=20If=20I=20do=20not=20need=20the=20accomm= odation,=20then=20 I=20will =20do=20my=20best=20not=20to=20take=20it. =20First=20of=20all,=20we=20should=20probably=20call=20these=20things=20wha= t=20they=20 are: =20accommodations.=20=20Shorter=20lines,=20priority=20boarding,=20and=20the= =20like=20 are =20accommodations=20for=20people=20with=20disabilities.=20=20Were=20they=20= meant =20specifically=20for=20blind=20people?=20=20Not=20necessarily.=20=20Callin= g=20them=20 social =20perks=20not=20only=20buys=20into=20the=20general=20idea=20that=20we=20sh= ould=20take =20advantage=20of=20accommodations=20simply=20because=20we=20can,=20but=20i= t=20is=20 also =20misleading. =20It=20is=20illegal=20to=20force=20someone=20into=20taking=20an=20accommod= ation=20they=20 do =20not=20need.=20=20I=20recently=20had=20an=20experience=20at=20an=20airpor= t=20and=20 learned =20about=20this=20part=20of=20the=20law=20because=20of=20it.=20=20The=20des= k=20attendant=20 told=20me =20that=20I=20could=20not=20take=20my=20dog=20on=20the=20escalator=20and=20= had=20to=20use=20the =20elevator.=20=20In=20this=20instance,=20he=20and=20I=20had=20a=20discussi= on=20that=20led=20 to=20my =20discovery=20that=20this=20"rule"=20was=20not=20an=20airport=20policy.=20= =20If=20it=20had=20 been =20policy,=20it=20would=20have=20violated=20the=20law. =20Let's=20look=20at=20another=20angle.=20=20When=20I=20flew=20to=20Colorad= o,=20I=20refused=20 to=20go =20to=20the=20shorter=20line=20for=20people=20with=20disabilities.=20=20I=20= can=20walk=20 and =20stand=20just=20fine=20and=20didn't=20feel=20that=20I=20needed=20to=20be= =20in=20the=20other=20 line. =20I=20didn't=20have=20a=20problem=20with=20being=20asked=20to=20step=20in= =20that=20line,=20 but=20I =20did=20say=20no.=20=20The=20problem=20was=20that=20the=20airport=20worker= =20person=20did=20 not =20take=20no=20for=20an=20answer.=20=20He=20decided=20what=20I=20needed=20a= nd=20did=20not=20 listen=20to =20my=20refusal=20of=20the=20accommodation.=20=20I=20dislike=20the=20custod= ial=20 attitude =20that=20those=20without=20disabilities=20know=20exactly=20what=20accommod= ations=20 we =20require.=20=20Furthermore,=20I=20believe=20my=20yes=20should=20be=20take= n=20as=20a=20yes=20 and =20my=20no=20as=20a=20no.=20=20I=20would=20assert=20that=20this=20is=20the= =20real=20problem=20 here. =20This=20does=20not=20happen=20to=20me=20all=20the=20time.=20=20Sometimes,= =20my=20"no=20 thank=20you" =20is=20enough.=20=20But=20enough=20people=20have=20decided=20what=20I=20ma= y=20need=20 enough =20times=20that=20I=20believe=20it=20is=20a=20problem.=20=20And=20no=20matt= er=20the=20 philosophy=20on =20taking=20accommodations=20that=20do=20not=20necessarily=20belong=20to=20= us,=20we=20 can=20all =20agree=20that=20we=20want=20our=20responses=20respected.=20=20We=20do=20n= ot=20want=20to=20 be =20treated=20like=20second=20class=20citizens,=20who=20accept=20what=20is=20= given=20to=20 us =20without=20question=20because=20that's=20all=20we=20deserve.=20=20Right? =20So=20then=20here=20we=20are.=20=20Does=20someone's=20acceptance=20of=20t= hese =20accommodations=20hurt=20me=20if=20I=20choose=20to=20refuse=20them?=20=20= Well,=20no,=20 except =20that=20when=20I=20am=20advocating=20for=20myself,=20I=20have=20to=20resp= ond=20that=20not=20 every =20blind=20person=20is=20the=20same.=20=20Blind=20dude=20yesterday=20may=20= have=20gone=20to=20 the =20shorter=20line,=20but=20I=20am=20not=20that=20person,=20and=20I=20would= =20like=20to=20 decline =20this=20accommodation.=20=20I=20believe=20that=20this=20would=20cause=20m= ore=20of=20a=20 sceen, =20more=20of=20a=20spectical,=20to=20use=20the=20author's=20words.=20=20I=20= would=20prefer=20 no=20one =20compare=20me=20to=20the=20blind=20person=20yesterday=20who=20stood=20in= =20the=20 shorter =20line,=20but=20that's=20not=20reality.=20=20Sometimes=20people=20with=20 disabilities=20are =20seen=20as=20all=20the=20same.=20=20Talk=20about=20misconceptions=20of=20= the=20public=20 that =20need=20changing...=20=20Again,=20I=20assert=20that=20this=20is=20the=20r= eal=20problem. =20So,=20should=20we=20condemn=20someone=20for=20a=20different=20philosophy= ?=20=20No,=20 but=20we =20should=20share=20our=20experiences,=20discuss=20with=20them=20the=20atti= tudes=20of=20 the =20public,=20and=20remind=20them=20that=20these=20are=20the=20choices=20we= =20have. =20Finally,=20I=20believe=20that=20the=20argument=20supporting=20the=20use= =20of=20these =20accommodations=20to=20make=20our=20day=20a=20little=20easier=20is=20illo= gical.=20=20We=20 can't =20read=20signs;=20getting=20in=20a=20shorter=20line=20will=20not=20solve=20= this.=20=20And=20 that =20does=20not=20make=20a=20plausible=20excuse.=20=20Blindness=20certainly=20= can=20be=20an =20inconvenience,=20but=20do=20those=20accommodations=20lessen=20the =20blindness-related=20inconveniences?=20=20Sometimes,=20maybe=20they=20do,= =20but=20 when =20they=20don't,=20should=20we=20take=20them?=20=20Or=20should=20we=20exami= ne=20why=20we're =20taking=20them=20and=20think=20critically=20about=20what=20effect=20our=20= actions=20 will =20have=20upon=20society? =20Interesting=20topic...=20=20Sorry=20for=20the=20lengthy=20response...=20= =20:) =20On=206/12/16,=20justin=20via=20NABS-L=20=20wrote: =20I=20used=20necessary=20accommodations=20in=20college=20which=20were=20re= lated=20to =20blindness, =20but=20I=20don't=20do=20that=20in=20social=20situations.=20=20It=20is=20v= ery=20important=20 to=20avoid =20cutting=20=20the=20line,=20or=20using=20my=20visual=20disability=20to=20= gain=20an=20 unfair=20social =20advantage=20in=20a=20social=20situation.=20=20I=20can't=20think=20of=20m= any=20social=20 situations =20for=20me=20where=20blindness=20is=20something=20that=20should=20be=20acc= ommodated=20 for =20outside =20of=20a=20movie=20or=20something=20like=20that=20in=20a=20theater.=20=20I= 'm=20sure=20they=20 exist,=20and =20I =20just=20am=20not=20pulling=20them=20up=20right=20now. =20I=20avoid=20using=20ramps,=20and=20other=20accommodations=20related=20to= =20other =20disabilities, =20or=20even=20blindness=20accommodations=20I=20don't=20need=20so=20everyon= e=20who=20 needs=20them =20can =20have=20fair=20resources. =20Ps. =20=20Some=20of=20you=20folks=20tried=20to=20give=20me=20a=20hard=20time=20= when=20I=20was=20using=20 some=20of =20my =20accommodations=20in=20college.=20=20Do=20any=20of=20you=20remember=20tha= t? =20It=20was=20about=20extended=20test=20times=20which=20I=20used=20anytime= =20I=20took=20a=20 test. =20Kenedy,=20use=20that=20extended=20time.... =20LOL =20Justin =20-----Original=20Message----- =20From:=20NABS-L=20[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]=20On=20Behalf=20Of=20= Karl=20Martin =20Adam=20via=20NABS-L =20Sent:=20Monday,=20June=2013,=202016=2010:13=20AM =20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list =20=20wrote: =20=20Hi=20Joe=20and=20all, =20=20This=20is=20a=20great=20topic,=20and=20one=20that=20I=20have=20some=20= strong=20feelings=20 about. =20=20Generally,=20as=20a=20blind=20person,=20I=20use=20accommodations=20th= at=20are=20 related=20to =20my =20blindness.=20I=20turn=20down=20accommodations=20that=20are=20meant=20for= =20people=20=20 with =20other =20disabilities.=20These=20include=20cuts=20in=20lines,=20priority=20=20sea= ting,=20 ramps=20and =20accessible=20restroom=20stalls.=20Although=20cuts=20in=20lines=20=20and= =20priority=20 seating =20are =20offered=20to=20me=20as=20a=20blind=20person,=20my=20blindness=20=20doesn= 't=20create=20a=20 need=20for =20those=20accommodations.=20I=20recognize=20that=20there=20=20are=20indivi= duals=20 with=20other =20disabilities=20who=20actually=20benefit=20from,=20and=20=20sometimes=20r= equire,=20 such =20accommodations.=20The=20only=20reason=20I=20am=20offered=20=20such=20 accommodations=20is =20because =20of=20stereotypes=20linking=20blindness=20with=20=20physical=20weakness.= =20So,=20I=20 turn =20these =20accommodations=20down.=20I=20do=20it=20=20quietly,=20don't=20make=20a=20= scene,=20but=20I=20 do=20turn =20them=20down.=20I=20know=20people=20=20with=20these=20other=20disabilitie= s=20who=20say=20 they=20are =20glad=20that=20I=20turn=20such=20=20accommodations=20down=20so=20that=20t= hey=20can=20use=20 them.=20Of =20course,=20if=20I=20have=20a=20=20temporary=20issue=20that=20limits=20my= =20ability=20to=20 stand=20or =20walk,=20such=20as=20when=20=20I=20had=20a=20bad=20allergic=20blister=20o= n=20my=20foot=20a=20 few=20years =20ago, =20then=20I=20will=20=20accept=20such=20accommodations.=20I=20also=20recogn= ize=20that=20 for=20some =20blind=20=20individuals=20other=20than=20me,=20such=20as=20those=20who=20= use=20guide=20 dogs, =20accommodations=20like=20priority=20seating=20or=20a=20larger=20bathroom= =20stall=20 might=20=20be =20useful. =20=20The=20other=20piece=20of=20this,=20for=20me,=20involves=20following=20= social=20 rules=20of =20fairness.=20I=20believe=20in=20taking=20my=20proper=20turn=20in=20line.= =20If=20 something=20is =20first-come,=20first-served,=20and=20I=20get=20there=20first,=20I'll=20ta= ke=20it. =20If=20I =20=20get=20to=20the=20gate=20first,=20of=20course=20I'll=20board=20first.= =20But=20if=20I=20get=20 to=20the =20gate=20in=20the=20middle,=20I=20will=20board=20in=20the=20middle,=20and= =20not=20cut=20to=20 the=20=20front =20even=20if=20permitted=20to=20do=20so.=20For=20me=20this=20is=20a=20simpl= e=20matter=20of =20politeness. =20It=20is=20also=20a=20matter=20of=20integrity.=20If=20I=20am=20going=20to= =20say=20=20that=20I=20 am=20equal =20to =20sighted=20people,=20then=20I=20need=20to=20behave=20that=20way. =20=20Again,=20I=20do=20it=20quietly.=20For=20me,=20it's=20not=20a=20matter= =20of=20proving=20a=20 point=20=20or =20convincing=20others=20of=20anything.=20It's=20a=20matter=20of=20living=20= up=20to=20my=20=20 personal =20values=20and=20allowing=20everyone=20around=20me=20to=20have=20fair=20ac= cess=20to=20=20 resources. =20I =20am=20very=20fortunate=20to=20have=20a=20sighted=20spouse=20who=20gets=20= this,=20=20and=20 defends=20me =20when=20I=20turn=20down=20unneeded=20cutsin=20lines=20and=20other=20=20sp= ecial=20 treatment. =20=20This=20is=20just=20my=20opinion=20and=20I=20welcome=20other=20views=20= on=20this. =20=20Best,=20Arielle =20=20On=206/13/16,=20Joshua=20Hendrickson=20via=20NABS-L=20=20w= rote: =20=20Should=20a=20blind=20person=20use=20their=20disability=20to=20take=20= advantage=20of=20 social =20perks? =20=20I=20briefly=20touched=20on=20the=20following=20story=20elsewhere=20in= =20these=20 pages.=20It =20has =20bearing=20on=20the=20current=20point=20though,=20so=20hang=20in=20there= =20for=20a=20=20 moment. =20=20Back=20in=20college=20I=20was=20once=20traveling=20with=20a=20fellow= =20blind=20friend=20 on =20Greyhound.=20We=20happened=20to=20arrive=20at=20the=20gate=20before=20an= yone=20else,=20 but =20because=20my=20traveling=20companion=20was,=20probably=20still=20is,=20a= n=20ultra =20independent =20blind=20person,=20they=20refused=20to=20board=20the=20bus=20first. =20The=20bus =20=20driver=20was=20confused.=20Why=20would=20this=20person=20want=20to=20= let=20other=20=20 passengers =20skip=20ahead=20when=20we'd=20beaten=20everyone=20else=20to=20the=20gate?= =20The=20=20bus=20 driver =20couldn't=20understand=20my=20companion=20was=20refusing=20to=20get=20on= =20the=20=20bus=20 ahead=20of =20everyone=20else=20on=20principle.=20Allowing=20persons=20with=20=20disab= ilities=20 to=20skip =20ahead=20in=20line=20is=20just=20something=20society=20expects,=20=20and= =20my=20 companion, =20following=20their=20own=20philosophy=20of=20independence,=20was=20=20not= =20going=20 to=20feed =20into =20that=20presumptive=20notion. =20=20I=20have=20always=20wondered=20about=20the=20rationale=20to=20this=20= way=20of=20 thinking. =20=20What=20is=20it=20about=20using=20certain=20social=20perks=20directly= =20linked=20to =20disabilities=20that=20inspire=20such=20delicate=20feelings=20of=20inferi= ority? =20=20Perhaps=20we=20are=20afraid=20to=20look=20inept=20by=20jumping=20to=20= the=20front=20of=20 a=20line. =20=20That=20speaks=20to=20perception,=20and=20just=20as=20laws=20do=20not= =20change=20minds =20overnight, =20your=20position=20in=20line=20is=20not=20likely=20to=20automatically=20m= ake=20=20 someone=20think =20you =20are=20any=20more=20or=20less=20capable=20by=20standing=20ahead=20or=20=20= behind.=20Do=20we=20 really =20believe=20standing=20in=20the=20middle=20of=20the=20crowd=20will=20=20so= mehow=20make=20 us=20more=20a =20part=20of=20the=20people?=20Will=20that=20translate=20to=20=20making=20u= s=20more=20 approachable? =20More=20datable?=20More=20employable?=20Your=20=20subsequent=20words=20an= d=20 actions=20after =20getting=20in=20line=20are=20more=20likely=20to=20=20have=20an=20influenc= e=20over=20 someone's =20opinion =20of=20you=20as=20a=20blind=20individual. =20=20Making=20a=20scene=20to=20be=20treated=20as=20an=20equal=20does=20not= =20create=20 equality.=20It =20creates=20a=20spectacle. =20=20Read=20the=20rest=20of=20the=20article=20at: =20 http://joeorozco.com/blog_my_blindness_philosophy_is_better_than_ =20yours =20=20Joe =20=20_______________________________________________ =20=20NABS-L=20mailing=20list =20=20NABS-L at nfbnet.org =20=20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20=20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your= =20account=20 info=20for =20=20NABS-L: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gma =20il.com =20=20_______________________________________________ =20=20NABS-L=20mailing=20list =20=20NABS-L at nfbnet.org =20=20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20=20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your= =20account=20 info=20for =20=20NABS-L: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g =20mail.com =20=20_______________________________________________ =20=20NABS-L=20mailing=20list =20=20NABS-L at nfbnet.org =20=20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20=20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your= =20account=20 info=20for =20NABS-L: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40 =20coe.edu =20_______________________________________________ =20NABS-L=20mailing=20list =20NABS-L at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for =20NABS-L: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma =20il.com =20_______________________________________________ =20NABS-L=20mailing=20list =20NABS-L at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for =20NABS-L: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia ms2%40gmail =20.com =20_______________________________________________ =20NABS-L=20mailing=20list =20NABS-L at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for =20NABS-L: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40g mail.com =20-- =20Julie=20A.=20McGinnity =20President,=20National=20Federation=20of=20the=20Blind=20Performing=20Art= s=20 Division, =20Second=20Vice=20President,=20National=20Federation=20of=20the=20Blind=20= of=20 Missouri =20"For=20we=20walk=20by=20faith,=20not=20by=20sight" =202=20Cor.=207 =20_______________________________________________ =20NABS-L=20mailing=20list =20NABS-L at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for =20NABS-L: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman.list s%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L=20mailing=20list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for=20NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma il.com From sawhney.kartik at gmail.com Mon Jun 13 23:27:40 2016 From: sawhney.kartik at gmail.com (Kartik Sawhney) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 16:27:40 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Mentoring opportunity for high school and college students Message-ID: Hi everyone, I'm working with a few friends on a portal that seeks to provide mentorship for students with disabilities. here's some more information about this. The Next Billion is an organization that connects people with disabilities with industry leaders, who can support them professionally with the goal of improving diversity and accessibility in the global community. Through our platform, we connect mentees (people with disabilities) with a mentor (industry leader with or without disability) that can help guide and foster them to achieve their professional goals – based on their field of expertise, relationship with their particular disability and their personal experience. We will be launching our platform in October 2016 and are looking for advisors, mentors, partners or organizations who would be interested in working with us. We are also taking pre-signups for mentees and mentors, who would be the first ones to try out the platform at launch. We already have several mentors from companies such as Microsoft, Google, Facebook, and some other financial firms, as well as several other individuals and entrepreneurs from a wide array of career fields. If you are interested either as a mentee or would like to mentor a high school student with a disability, please sign up at nextbillion.org. For us, the experiences of our mentees are the most important, and the platform is going to be guided by your ideas. I encourage you to give it a try, and we look forward to your input. PS-We understand that 70% of disabilities on college campuses are invisible disabilities, and we have several mentors who have invisible disabilities themselves. Rest assured that any information that you provide will be kept completely confidential. -- -Kartik Sawhney, +1-(510) 766-3419 linkedin.com/in/kartiksawhney/ From annajee82 at gmail.com Mon Jun 13 23:44:06 2016 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 17:44:06 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] My Blindness Philosophy is Better than Yours In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <575F1916-45F9-4C28-9EC3-1D957B730F21@gmail.com> Good discussion. I think one of the key words that has been used by some, is "integrity". If some other person got to the gate first, I would expect them to board first; and they have every right to do so. If said person gets to the gate last, or somewhere in the middle, I expect them not to board first; they don't have the right to do so. In fact, if someone who was not at the gate first, boarded first, I would not be happy about it. It is unreasonable. What right does that person have that I don't? If there is some reason why they really do need to, then that's fine. But I can't think of a reason for me, as a blind person, to do that. If I do not hold myself to the standards I have for others, I have lost something of my own integrity. To take this one step further, I work really hard every day fighting for civil rights. (Yes, it is really work). I attempt to bring the message everywhere I go, that we are intelligent, capable, skilled, hard-working people. That we want to be, and deserve, as human beings, to be treated equally. I absolutely feel that if I, for example, go to the front of a line, when I have no real reason to do so, that I am practicing a different message: "I want to be treated equally, unless I could benefit from being treated unequally." Does it make a difference if I refuse the offer to go to the front of line or not? I don't know. But I know what I believe- that I deserve to be treated as a whole human being who among other things happens to be blind, not just as the blind person. II find it likely that there are times it has no positive effect on those around me if I go ahead and stand in that line, but I am also quite sure there are times that people see me and realize for the first time that a blind person is capable of standing in line. And although it may be a small thing, it is a step in the right direction of changing the mind of the public. Those are my experiences, beliefs and thoughts. With rights come responsibilities. Thanks for the discussion. Anna E Givens > On Jun 13, 2016, at 4:13 AM, Joe Orozco via NABS-L wrote: > > Should a blind person use their disability to take advantage of social perks? > I briefly touched on the following story elsewhere in these pages. It > has bearing on the current point though, so hang in there for a > moment. > Back in college I was once traveling with a fellow blind friend on > Greyhound. We happened to arrive at the gate before anyone else, but > because my traveling companion was, probably still is, an ultra > independent blind person, they refused to board the bus first. The bus > driver was confused. Why would this person want to let other > passengers skip ahead when we'd beaten everyone else to the gate? The > bus driver couldn't understand my companion was refusing to get on the > bus ahead of everyone else on principle. Allowing persons with > disabilities to skip ahead in line is just something society expects, > and my companion, following their own philosophy of independence, was > not going to feed into that presumptive notion. > I have always wondered about the rationale to this way of thinking. > What is it about using certain social perks directly linked to > disabilities that inspire such delicate feelings of inferiority? > Perhaps we are afraid to look inept by jumping to the front of a line. > That speaks to perception, and just as laws do not change minds > overnight, your position in line is not likely to automatically make > someone think you are any more or less capable by standing ahead or > behind. Do we really believe standing in the middle of the crowd will > somehow make us more a part of the people? Will that translate to > making us more approachable? More datable? More employable? Your > subsequent words and actions after getting in line are more likely to > have an influence over someone's opinion of you as a blind individual. > Making a scene to be treated as an equal does not create equality. It > creates a spectacle. > > Read the rest of the article at: > > http://joeorozco.com/blog_my_blindness_philosophy_is_better_than_yours > > Joe > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From sandragayer7 at gmail.com Tue Jun 14 09:34:03 2016 From: sandragayer7 at gmail.com (Sandra Gayer) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 10:34:03 +0100 Subject: [nabs-l] Mental Arithmetic. Message-ID: Hello Everyone, I'm just wondering if any of you have found a good, accessible, Mental Arithmetic course? (I don't want to get back into the maths math argument again which is why I'm sticking with the term arithmetic). I'm taking a basic arithmetic course with Hadley and I'm really enjoying it. I had a difficult time at school, partly because some of the ideas were taught visually and partly because more time was spent on comparatively advanced work such as Algebra and Geometry, rather than covering the basics in all their glory. Sorry for that rant. The point was that, while the Hadley course is amazing, it just deals with how to solve problems on paper and doesn't cover any rapid mental techniques. If anyone has found anything that does this, (outside school), I'd appreciate it. Very best wishes, Sandra. On 6/13/16, Claude Edwards via NABS-L wrote: > > Seeking A Roommate For The N.F.B. Convention: > Good day fellow Federationists. I'm seeking a male roommate for the > upcoming > National Convention. , and this is my first time participating in the > event. > I'm a birding and nature enthusiast from San diego, registered at the Rosen > Shingle Creek Resort from June 29 to July 5. Please reply at, > claude at klein-edwards.com, with a short description of yourself. Thank you > and bbest regards, Claude Edwards > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Andrews [mailto:dandrews at visi.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 8:13 PM > To: Claude Edwards > Subject: RE: [Nfbnet-members-list] First-Timer's Guide to the National > Federation of the Blind Convention > > You can write a request, and I will post it to some lists. The hotel > doesn't offer anything in this area, but I am sure we can find you someone. > > Dave > > At 09:04 PM 6/11/2016, you wrote: > >Thank you David, this information will be very helpful. > >On a related subject, I have booked a room at the resort for the entire > >convention, equipped with 2 beds. > >However, I'm looking for a roommate to share the accomodations, and > >don't know how to find someone. > >Given that I am a first time attendee, it would be great to have > >someone to interact with and share some experiences. > >Is there a way to post a request or announcement somewhere, through NFB > >or maybe the resort itself? > >I am seeking a male non-smoker, first timer or not. > >Beyond that, I don't know what to say about myself or what qualities > >I'd like in the prospective roommate. > >But I can offer my phone and email, which you may already have: > >Area Code 619, 822-8687, and claude at klein-edwards.com > > > >Please advise me about this, or maybe there is someone else to send > >this query to. > >I really appreciate it. Cheers, Claude Edwards From the San Diego CA > >area . > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gmail.com > -- Soprano Singer www.sandragayer.com Broadcast Presenter www.insightradio.co.uk/music-box.html Voiceover Artist www.archangelvoices.co.uk/content/sandra-gayer From jab2bs at mtmail.mtsu.edu Tue Jun 14 14:32:13 2016 From: jab2bs at mtmail.mtsu.edu (James Alan Boehm) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 14:32:13 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Tennessee Tech Bundle at national Convention!! Message-ID: <59977406-C534-44CF-BEF5-5B6ABB2FB796@mtmail.mtsu.edu> Become fully equipped with the 2016 Tech Bundle being raffled at the Tennessee Affiliate table – A 34! What a bundle it is! These gadgets are universal for all of your Bluetooth wireless and portable devices. Would you like to know what’s included?? 1. Ultra Slim, 80-hour Working Time, Wireless, Rechargeable Bluetooth Keyboard (with a built-in lithium battery) Slim keyboard for one or more of your devices Supports Windows, IOS, Android, Mac OS Comfortable, low profile, quiet keys Adjustable tilt legs Ultra thin Bluetooth 3.0 Use to text message, browse the web, reply to e-mails, gaming, and so much more! 2. Compact USB Battery Pack to Recharge Portable Devices – Black 2000 mAh Comes with a charging cable. USB cable included, which has many connector types. Long service life battery 3. Waterproof, Wireless, Bluetooth, Hands Free, Mic-in Shower/Car Mini Suction Speaker 6 hours of play time Use in your car, shower, by the pool or at the beach Built in control buttons 4. Small, Wireless, Bluetooth, Invisible Ear Bud Color: coffee Hands free calling High performance, stereo ear bud Built in HD sensitivity microphone Up to 4 hours of complete talk time 3-5 hours of music time Use to listen to books, music, teleconferences, or with use of a GPS Total Value of this bundle is $150.00 Also at A 34, check out all the cool products that Kustom Cane has to offer! Check out our cane designs - we can personalize your cane in any color, sports team, hobby, any other unique design! Canes come with Cane Shield - a clear, protective coating that protects your cane from wear and tear, for years to come. No more chips, scratching, and wear damage after just a couple of uses. But that is only the beginning! Check out our wide selection of cane charms! Silver, tactile charms of all colors, shapes, and sizes to add a little charm to your mobility! Check out our braile charms for a unique, personalized gift for your friend’s cane or guide dog collar! Our top seller is back this year – the Personal Alarm Charms, with over 120 decibels of sound to deter anyone. Charms come in silver and red hearts, in addition to some masculine designs. We have the Rechargeable Speaker Charm or the Deluxe Bluetooth Speaker Charm (the size of a dice, and it packs a punch!) Also available: 19 in 1 Tool Charms, Door Key Charm with Hidden Knife, the Cane Finder Charm, Compact Battery Pack Charm to recharge your portable devices, the LED Light/Stun Gun charm, and so much more! As you can see, the Tennessee Affiliate booth A 34 will be your one-stop, shop till you drop table! Our products and raffle are a must see! From gifts, technology, mobility, gifts, gadgets, raffles and more, we will be the number one stop at the exhibit floor! James Alan Boehm Contact Information: Phone: 901-483-1515 Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com NFB Email: secretary at nfb-tn.org Kustom Cane: kustomcane at gmail.com Blindness never limits-low expectations do! Live the life you want! From discoduck221 at gmail.com Tue Jun 14 19:01:41 2016 From: discoduck221 at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 15:01:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Meet Maureen Nietfeld From The Colorado Center For The Blind And More On Tonight's Special Blind Side On KJSC Radio Message-ID: Greetings All! With the normal host, Chris Nusbaum out, a very unique and exciting Blind Side Radio show awaits you tonight on KJSC Radio, starting at 7 PM eastern (6 central, 5 mountain, 4 pacific). Life can bring to us, whether we're blind or sighted, many struggles and challenges. It's important to not let those challenges bring us down or kill our confidence. In Hour 1, we'll be listening to an interview I did with Maureen Nietfeld from The Colorado Center For The Blind http://www.cocenter.org Hear about her unusual story, from her genetic disorder that caused her to go through 30 plus surgeries, to her exciting adventures in teaching, fitness, and setting the record straight about stereotypes and bad ideas people have about the blind and what we can do. We'll even get a look into what it's like to teach at the center and what the students must to do to graduate her class there. Then in Hour 2, Jordy Stringer will be taking over, speaking with Ron Brown and JJ from Blind Bargains. This is sure to be an exciting and informative two hours, and you're welcome to tune in! During the show, questions can be sent via twitter at kjscradio using the hash tag kjsclive Via skype at kjsc.radio or by telephone at 602-399-7279 Tuning in is easy to do too. Simply head on over to http://onj.me/kjscradio Search for KJSC Radio in the tune-in app, or for additional listening choices, go to http://kjscradio.com/classic/radio.php A recording of the show or just the two interviews will be made available after the show airs. If anyone is interested in a copy of the interview, please contact me at discoduck221 at gmail.com and a link will be sent to you. I hope you'll join us for what should be a fun, unique, and informative Blind Side Show. >From David Dunphy From jsoro620 at gmail.com Tue Jun 14 23:53:51 2016 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 19:53:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Dancing, Latino Style Message-ID: <000c01d1c698$0103f420$030bdc60$@gmail.com> In cleaning out crazy old emails, like way back from college old, I came across a note I thought you guys might find interesting. It might do you well if you plan on doing some Latin dancing in your near future. I have no idea who originally wrote the article. I only have the text in an email from a friend, so apologies in advance for the lack of credit. Anyway, I hope some of you find the step-by-step instructions interesting, and my apologies too for the crazy formatting. Tip: Just put that screen reader in Read All.--Joe Latin Dance Technique There is no intentional hip movement in any of the Latin dances. The hip motion is a natural consequence of changing weight from one foot to the other. Sub-consciously we do this when walking backwards. We feel for the first back step with our toe, roll onto the small of our foot and place our weight onto the leg, as we lower the heel. The Roll of the foot Unless the music is really slow (Bolero/Rumba) always take small steps. If the music is really fast (Salsa/Cumbia), max it at just a half foot length! When you step, whether forward, backward or side, step onto the inside ball of your foot (big toe), roll your foot onto the small ball (little toe) and imaging you are squashing a grape under your heel, place the foot flatly onto the floor, straightening the leg. If you have done this correctly, your body weight is now on the foot you have lowered and you should be able to stand on one leg without falling over. Knee Bends You shouldn't need to consciously bend your knee. Relax! As you change weight onto one leg the other leg should naturally bend at the knee and the heel of the foot raise. In the Latin dances whenever one leg is straight (bearing weight), the other should be bent. If this hasn't happened then your weight is probably centered. Simply shift your weight onto the appropriate leg. It may take a bit of practice to co-ordinate your movements. Try not to think about the isometrics, just let your body do what comes naturally. Hip Isolation Your weight should be focused into the middle of the foot. Sorry about the analogy but if you are in the correct position and I drove a pike through the middle of your skull, it would come down your spine, come out at the base, then penetrate the mid thigh, follow the leg skeleton down and come out the middle of your foot. If your weight was centered (incorrect position) the pike would come out between your legs. Simple fact of physics, center your weight and you won't be able to move either foot. To help isolate the hips and increase hip roll, turn your feet out in a V shape (heels closest together) and as you straighten your leg (change weight) bend the other leg toward the straightened leg. The hip roll looks more exaggerated if you keep the upper body steady (don't bounce around or sway the upper body about - it looks nerdy). There shouldn't be any perceivable rise and fall in the body. If there is, you are raising on the ball of the foot, instead of rolling the foot and lowering the heel - probably means you are not changing weight fully onto the leg. If you are swaying the upper body, it will throw both your timing and leads out (or in the case of the girl the acceptance of a lead), not to mention, probably annoy your partner. Girls seem to think they look sexy if they sway about but it looks really bad and is a mega turnoff for the guy. So don't do it! Leading and Following Its helpful to think of the Latin Dances as being sexual pantomimes. Even though the man leads the whole dance, the idea is that the man is trying to seduce the lady, he is pushing forward and she is pushing him away. So maintain a slight forward pressure with your body. If you are in hand to hand position the man keeps his hands/arms at the lady's hip height. If you are in closed dance position - the man's right hand should be just below the shoulder blade (thumb on the back bra strap), and his left hand gently takes hers in his - the lady must never place her right hand above the man's shoulder, if he is short she places her thumb on the intersection of the muscles just below the shoulder (he should have a little slot where it fits naturally), if he is tall then the lady positions her hand lower down the arm. Her aim is to have her elbow slightly above his. That way he can lead her. A simple rule for the man: if the girl is much shorter than you, stand further away from her. If she is much taller than you, stand closer. The cardinal rule is hold each other comfortably. Under no circumstances should you stretch to reach your partner. Arms and Elbows Try not to thrash your arms and elbows about. You'll look silly and probably cause an accident on the dance floor. The man should use his arms to tell the girl when to go back or come forward or whatever. Both need to keep some tension (pressure) in the arms, so the man can lead. A common problem is girls complain that guys can't lead. These girls should consider that maybe they aren't allowing the guy to lead. Typically, they, are the ones that sway their body about too much, flap their arms, bounce around, fake their hip movements and do not sustain hand/arm pressure when dancing. A guy can't lead dead fish, seagulls or bowls of jelly. Guys, even if you are a beginner, you can dance effectively, if you stand erect and keep a firm forward pressure on your partner. Stand Erect Although its useful to imagine the Latin dances as sexual pantomimes, that doesn't mean the man should be sexually aggressive. The dances should be performed with a hint of sexuality but remember, children maybe watching. Guys keep your upper body erect (that means from the waist up) and be gently aggressive. Girls and Guys, stand up straight, look at your partner. Enjoy yourselves -- Musings of a Work in Progress: www.JoeOrozco.com/ Twitter: @ScribblingJoe From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com Wed Jun 15 13:20:07 2016 From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 09:20:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] REMINDER: NABS needs volunteers during National Convention! Message-ID: <000001d1c708$a3dde870$eb99b950$@gmail.com> Good morning students, With just two weeks until the 76th annual National Federation of the Blind National Convention, the student division board is quick at work planning for the student events throughout the week. We have lots of engaging and entertaining events scheduled for this year's Convention, but none of them will be successful without the help of our membership. A huge thank you to those who have already volunteers your time. We appreciate the effort and energy from each of you! For those who are still interested in helping out, we are in need of several volunteers during Monte Carlo Night on Sunday, July 3. Whether you are wanting to deal cards for Poker or BlackJack, have a huge voice for marshalling, or want to help with greeting and socializing with our Federation family, we are eager to hear from you. Monte Carlo Night has two shifts. The first is from 7-9:30 and the second is from 9:30-midnight. Please contact me at kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com or Bre Brown at bre.brown24 at gmail.com if interested in lending a hand to make our huge social night a success! Once you email us, we will secure you a spot and provide additional instructions. I'd like to thank you in advance for your efforts! Let me know if you have any questions; and stay tuned for an email with all the student events taking place during NFB16! See you soon, Kathryn Webster Treasurer/Secretary | National Association of Blind Students From discoduck221 at gmail.com Wed Jun 15 18:10:11 2016 From: discoduck221 at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 14:10:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] REMINDER: NABS needs volunteers during National Convention! In-Reply-To: <000001d1c708$a3dde870$eb99b950$@gmail.com> References: <000001d1c708$a3dde870$eb99b950$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I've been calling on the phone to offer to help, but my calls have not gotten returned. If you want any help at all or need anyone, email me off here so I know what times you might need it On 6/15/16, Kathryn Webster via NABS-L wrote: > Good morning students, > > > > With just two weeks until the 76th annual National > Federation of the Blind National Convention, the student division board is > quick at work planning for the student events throughout the week. > > > > We have lots of engaging and entertaining events scheduled for this year's > Convention, but none of them will be successful without the help of our > membership. > > A huge thank you to those who have already volunteers your time. We > appreciate the effort and energy from each of you! > > For those who are still interested in helping out, we are in need of > several > volunteers during Monte Carlo Night on Sunday, July 3. > > Whether you are wanting to deal cards for Poker or BlackJack, have a huge > voice for marshalling, or want to help with greeting and socializing with > our Federation family, we are eager to hear from you. > > > > Monte Carlo Night has two shifts. The first is from 7-9:30 and the second > is > from 9:30-midnight. > > > > Please contact me at kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com > or Bre Brown at > bre.brown24 at gmail.com > if interested in lending a hand to make our > huge social night a success! Once you email us, we will secure you a spot > and provide additional instructions. > > > > I'd like to thank you in advance for your efforts! > > > > Let me know if you have any questions; and stay tuned for an email with all > the student events taking place during NFB16! > > > > See you soon, > > Kathryn Webster > > Treasurer/Secretary | National Association of Blind Students > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/discoduck221%40gmail.com > From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com Wed Jun 15 18:29:26 2016 From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 13:29:26 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Filling out financial aid forms? Message-ID: <2954F7B5-02E5-4EBF-A258-417CBF9D08B0@gmail.com> Hello everyone, hope you're having a wonderful day. I have a quick question about when to fill out financial aid forms for college. Do I start while I'm in a high school program? or do I wait until after high school to fill them out? From lakeria2009 at gmail.com Wed Jun 15 18:50:47 2016 From: lakeria2009 at gmail.com (Lakeria Taylor) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 13:50:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Filling out financial aid forms? In-Reply-To: <2954F7B5-02E5-4EBF-A258-417CBF9D08B0@gmail.com> References: <2954F7B5-02E5-4EBF-A258-417CBF9D08B0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0F9AEC53-DA92-4746-8E13-AF6776BBA619@gmail.com> Are you a senior? If so, your FAFSA Is due July 1. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 15, 2016, at 1:29 PM, Angela via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello everyone, hope you're having a wonderful day. > I have a quick question about when to fill out financial aid forms for college. Do I start while I'm in a high school program? or do I wait until after high school to fill them out? > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lakeria2009%40gmail.com From gpaikens at gmail.com Wed Jun 15 18:52:07 2016 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 14:52:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Filling out financial aid forms? In-Reply-To: <2954F7B5-02E5-4EBF-A258-417CBF9D08B0@gmail.com> References: <2954F7B5-02E5-4EBF-A258-417CBF9D08B0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <421F2C69-3358-44DB-B1E8-AFE0C4F6FB56@gmail.com> You’ll want to fill them out the spring before you start school. Any need-based scholarships you may apply to will require that you have already filled out the FAFSA. > On Jun 15, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Angela via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello everyone, hope you're having a wonderful day. > I have a quick question about when to fill out financial aid forms for college. Do I start while I'm in a high school program? or do I wait until after high school to fill them out? > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Wed Jun 15 19:52:06 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 15:52:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Filling out financial aid forms? Message-ID: <5761b21e.c338810a.309b6.03ba@mx.google.com> I did not begin filling out financial aid forms until I started applying for college. I had a human reader who helped me fill them out. From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com Wed Jun 15 20:26:04 2016 From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 15:26:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Filling out financial aid forms? In-Reply-To: <421F2C69-3358-44DB-B1E8-AFE0C4F6FB56@gmail.com> References: <2954F7B5-02E5-4EBF-A258-417CBF9D08B0@gmail.com> <421F2C69-3358-44DB-B1E8-AFE0C4F6FB56@gmail.com> Message-ID: <67D27585-B97C-498E-94A3-30431E38B06E@gmail.com> The deadline to complete my high school program is May 31, 2020. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 15, 2016, at 1:52 PM, Greg Aikens via NABS-L wrote: > > You’ll want to fill them out the spring before you start school. Any need-based scholarships you may apply to will require that you have already filled out the FAFSA. >> On Jun 15, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Angela via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hello everyone, hope you're having a wonderful day. >> I have a quick question about when to fill out financial aid forms for college. Do I start while I'm in a high school program? or do I wait until after high school to fill them out? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com From Vyingling at nfb.org Thu Jun 16 18:35:53 2016 From: Vyingling at nfb.org (Yingling, Valerie) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 18:35:53 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking students who have completed Algebra 1 to help with Pearson user testing at convention In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As a reminder, we need your help for user testing during convention. Please fill out your recruitment survey by June 17! As a part of the NFB's work with Pearson, we are helping to recruit participants for Pearson's user studies during the NFB convention. We are really excited about this opportunity and need to try to recruit as many qualified participants as possible. We are seeking students who completed Algebra 1 or a higher level math class this past school year to help with the user testing. Students should be at or near grade level and should be screen access software users and/or Braille and Nemeth readers. Participants will receive gift cards and will help with the development of accessible digital tools and content. Visit the recruitment tool (https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/NFB18over) to participate, or contact Valerie Yingling with questions: vyingling at nfb.org. Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. From discoduck221 at gmail.com Thu Jun 16 20:16:16 2016 From: discoduck221 at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 16:16:16 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Here Hoping To Cheer Someone Up Message-ID: If I get warned, whatever, for posting this, I'll live with it. But with all that's been going on in the news and such, I think we could all use a lift in spirits... Hi Everyone! As I write this, I can't help feeling all the negativity that's been in the air lately. The shootings in Orlando... The child who was killed by an alligator Friends going through breakups, health issues and similar.... All happening within the last two weks or so... And all I can do is say, wow, we need a little cheering up around here. I in no way want to minimize anything that's been going on lately, but I do want to provide a smile to anyone feeling down during this time who needs one. And I can do that best by providing a few hours of entertainment. So to support the people affected by all the horrible things going on, both in the news and personally to me, I want to help you get away by being a source of a smile for three hours on tonight's Digital Distraction, going from 8 PM eastern (7 central, 6 mountain, 5 pacific) til 11 PM eastern (10 central, 9 mountain, 8 Pacific.) on KJSC Radio. Through some songs with special lyrics, humor and more, I hope to help those feeling down right now to have a few hours of relaxation and fun. We'll also be doing a moment of silence during the show for the victims in Orlando. If you need a lift, start requesting songs from my music library right now and/or during the show at http://djdrocks.online/requests Additionally, when the show is live, you can tweet me at kjscradio skype me at kjsc.radio or call me at 602 399 7279 to get something off your mind or just to hang out, all are welcome. And of course, there's the whole listening thing. That's easy. At any time during the above mentioned times, go to http://onj.me/kjscradio to tune in. You can also search for KJSC Radio in the Tunein App on your mobile device, or for additional listening options, go to http://kjscradio.com/classic/radio.php I hope one song, one comment, one joke, something, will put a smile on someone's face tonight, and let that be yours. See you tonight! >From David Dunphy From dandrews at visi.com Thu Jun 16 20:36:03 2016 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 15:36:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Here Hoping To Cheer Someone Up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As far as I am concerned, you are pretty much always on the edge. I am offended by your message, using the tragic events going on right now to do a little self promotion. You post your promotions to lists where it is off topic, and I have previously warned you. You put up a new station, do this for a couple months, then it disappears. This has happened time and time again, and I for one am getting tired of it. Dave At 03:16 PM 6/16/2016, David Dunphy via NABS-L wrote: >If I get warned, whatever, for posting this, I'll live with it. But >with all that's been going on in the news and such, I think we could >all use a lift in spirits... > >Hi Everyone! > >As I write this, I can't help feeling all the negativity that's been >in the air lately. >The shootings in Orlando... > >The child who was killed by an alligator > >Friends going through breakups, health issues and similar.... > >All happening within the last two weks or so... > >And all I can do is say, wow, we need a little cheering up around here. > >I in no way want to minimize anything that's been going on lately, but >I do want to provide a smile to anyone feeling down during this time >who needs one. And I can do that best by providing a few hours of >entertainment. > >So to support the people affected by all the horrible things going on, >both in the news and personally to me, I want to help you get away by >being a source of a smile for three hours on tonight's Digital >Distraction, going from 8 PM eastern (7 central, 6 mountain, 5 >pacific) til 11 PM eastern (10 central, 9 mountain, 8 Pacific.) on >KJSC Radio. > >Through some songs with special lyrics, humor and more, I hope to help >those feeling down right now to have a few hours of relaxation and >fun. > >We'll also be doing a moment of silence during the show for the >victims in Orlando. > >If you need a lift, start requesting songs from my music library right >now and/or during the show at >http://djdrocks.online/requests > >Additionally, when the show is live, you can tweet me at >kjscradio >skype me at >kjsc.radio >or call me at >602 399 7279 >to get something off your mind or just to hang out, all are welcome. > >And of course, there's the whole listening thing. That's easy. At any >time during the above mentioned times, go to >http://onj.me/kjscradio >to tune in. You can also search for KJSC Radio in the Tunein App on >your mobile device, or for additional listening options, go to >http://kjscradio.com/classic/radio.php > >I hope one song, one comment, one joke, something, will put a smile on >someone's face tonight, and let that be yours. >See you tonight! > From David Dunphy From kaybaycar at gmail.com Fri Jun 17 00:45:49 2016 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 20:45:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Dancing, Latino Style In-Reply-To: <000c01d1c698$0103f420$030bdc60$@gmail.com> References: <000c01d1c698$0103f420$030bdc60$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for sharing! I will pass this along to the Performing Arts Division list serve. We're always looking for interesting discussion starters. :) And we will be holding a dance seminar at convention... More information about that later... Ok, shameless plugging shall end now. On 6/14/16, Joe via NABS-L wrote: > In cleaning out crazy old emails, like way back from college old, I came > across a note I thought you guys might find interesting. It might do you > well if you plan on doing some Latin dancing in your near future. I have no > idea who originally wrote the article. I only have the text in an email > from > a friend, so apologies in advance for the lack of credit. Anyway, I hope > some of you find the step-by-step instructions interesting, and my > apologies > too for the crazy formatting. Tip: Just put that screen reader in Read > All.--Joe > > Latin Dance Technique > > There is no intentional hip movement in any of the Latin dances. The hip > motion is a natural consequence of changing weight from one foot to the > other. > Sub-consciously we do this when walking backwards. We feel for the first > back step with our toe, roll onto the small of our foot and place our > weight > onto > the leg, as we lower the heel. > > The Roll of the foot > > Unless the music is really slow (Bolero/Rumba) always take small steps. If > the music is really fast (Salsa/Cumbia), max it at just a half foot length! > > When you step, whether forward, backward or side, step onto the inside ball > of your foot (big toe), roll your foot onto the small ball (little toe) and > imaging you are squashing a grape under your heel, place the foot flatly > onto the floor, straightening the leg. If you have done this correctly, > your > body > weight is now on the foot you have lowered and you should be able to stand > on one leg without falling over. > > Knee Bends > > You shouldn't need to consciously bend your knee. Relax! As you change > weight onto one leg the other leg should naturally bend at the knee and the > heel > of the foot raise. In the Latin dances whenever one leg is straight > (bearing > weight), the other should be bent. If this hasn't happened then your weight > is probably centered. Simply shift your weight onto the appropriate leg. It > may take a bit of practice to co-ordinate your movements. Try not to think > about the isometrics, just let your body do what comes naturally. > > Hip Isolation > > Your weight should be focused into the middle of the foot. Sorry about the > analogy but if you are in the correct position and I drove a pike through > the > middle of your skull, it would come down your spine, come out at the base, > then penetrate the mid thigh, follow the leg skeleton down and come out the > middle of your foot. If your weight was centered (incorrect position) the > pike would come out between your legs. Simple fact of physics, center your > weight > and you won't be able to move either foot. To help isolate the hips and > increase hip roll, turn your feet out in a V shape (heels closest together) > and > as you straighten your leg (change weight) bend the other leg toward the > straightened leg. The hip roll looks more exaggerated if you keep the upper > body > steady (don't bounce around or sway the upper body about - it looks nerdy). > There shouldn't be any perceivable rise and fall in the body. If there is, > you are raising on the ball of the foot, instead of rolling the foot and > lowering the heel - probably means you are not changing weight fully onto > the > leg. If you are swaying the upper body, it will throw both your timing and > leads out (or in the case of the girl the acceptance of a lead), not to > mention, > probably annoy your partner. Girls seem to think they look sexy if they > sway > about but it looks really bad and is a mega turnoff for the guy. So don't > do it! > > Leading and Following > > Its helpful to think of the Latin Dances as being sexual pantomimes. Even > though the man leads the whole dance, the idea is that the man is trying to > seduce > the lady, he is pushing forward and she is pushing him away. So maintain a > slight forward pressure with your body. If you are in hand to hand position > the man keeps his hands/arms at the lady's hip height. If you are in closed > dance position - the man's right hand should be just below the shoulder > blade > (thumb on the back bra strap), and his left hand gently takes hers in his - > the lady must never place her right hand above the man's shoulder, if he is > short she places her thumb on the intersection of the muscles just below > the > shoulder (he should have a little slot where it fits naturally), if he is > tall then the lady positions her hand lower down the arm. Her aim is to > have > her elbow slightly above his. That way he can lead her. A simple rule for > the man: if the girl is much shorter than you, stand further away from her. > If she is much taller than you, stand closer. The cardinal rule is hold > each > other comfortably. Under no circumstances should you stretch to reach your > partner. > > Arms and Elbows > > Try not to thrash your arms and elbows about. You'll look silly and > probably > cause an accident on the dance floor. The man should use his arms to tell > the > girl when to go back or come forward or whatever. Both need to keep some > tension (pressure) in the arms, so the man can lead. A common problem is > girls > complain that guys can't lead. These girls should consider that maybe they > aren't allowing the guy to lead. Typically, they, are the ones that sway > their > body about too much, flap their arms, bounce around, fake their hip > movements and do not sustain hand/arm pressure when dancing. A guy can't > lead dead > fish, seagulls or bowls of jelly. Guys, even if you are a beginner, you can > dance effectively, if you stand erect and keep a firm forward pressure on > your > partner. > > Stand Erect > > Although its useful to imagine the Latin dances as sexual pantomimes, that > doesn't mean the man should be sexually aggressive. The dances should be > performed > with a hint of sexuality but remember, children maybe watching. Guys keep > your upper body erect (that means from the waist up) and be gently > aggressive. > Girls and Guys, stand up straight, look at your partner. Enjoy yourselves > > -- > Musings of a Work in Progress: > www.JoeOrozco.com/ > > Twitter: @ScribblingJoe > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie A. McGinnity President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division, Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri "For we walk by faith, not by sight" 2 Cor. 7 From desai1shikha at gmail.com Fri Jun 17 18:03:28 2016 From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 14:03:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Counselor at training centers during summer Message-ID: <7A43BEB2-7ECA-417B-BA52-BECEC2BBF4D4@gmail.com> Hey, My name is Shikha from Georgia. I have never had a job before and not taking any summer classes next summer. I am majoring in social work at Georgia state university. I am thinking of being a summer counselor at one of the training centers but i am not good at giving interviews. I applied to lcb and bisim few years ago but didn't get it. I don't have much information on my resume but I have scholarships, volunteer, and leadership. I am not sure if I should add my scholarship to state convention and Washington seminar. Also I don't know if I should add attended lcb. I currently don't have any blind things on my resume. I am going to apply in December or January. I am scared because I don't want to stay home all four months. Any advise will work. Thanks, Shikha From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Jun 16 18:44:52 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 14:44:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Counselor at training centers during summer In-Reply-To: <7A43BEB2-7ECA-417B-BA52-BECEC2BBF4D4@gmail.com> References: <7A43BEB2-7ECA-417B-BA52-BECEC2BBF4D4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <005501d1c7ff$2be26420$83a72c60$@gmail.com> Absolutely put those scholarships on your resume. You'll just have to practice interviewing skills. I may be able to find some interviewing tips to send you. Also, read the book, What color is your parashoot. Get the most updated version from the bard site. There is a section on interviewing, and in general, it is overall a great book. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shikha via NABS-L Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 2:03 PM To: National Association of Blind Students Cc: Shikha Subject: [nabs-l] Counselor at training centers during summer Hey, My name is Shikha from Georgia. I have never had a job before and not taking any summer classes next summer. I am majoring in social work at Georgia state university. I am thinking of being a summer counselor at one of the training centers but i am not good at giving interviews. I applied to lcb and bisim few years ago but didn't get it. I don't have much information on my resume but I have scholarships, volunteer, and leadership. I am not sure if I should add my scholarship to state convention and Washington seminar. Also I don't know if I should add attended lcb. I currently don't have any blind things on my resume. I am going to apply in December or January. I am scared because I don't want to stay home all four months. Any advise will work. Thanks, Shikha _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Jun 16 18:46:15 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 14:46:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Counselor at training centers during summer In-Reply-To: <7A43BEB2-7ECA-417B-BA52-BECEC2BBF4D4@gmail.com> References: <7A43BEB2-7ECA-417B-BA52-BECEC2BBF4D4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <005d01d1c7ff$5d3ece00$17bc6a00$@gmail.com> Also, Contact your center for independent Living. They will help you. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shikha via NABS-L Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 2:03 PM To: National Association of Blind Students Cc: Shikha Subject: [nabs-l] Counselor at training centers during summer Hey, My name is Shikha from Georgia. I have never had a job before and not taking any summer classes next summer. I am majoring in social work at Georgia state university. I am thinking of being a summer counselor at one of the training centers but i am not good at giving interviews. I applied to lcb and bisim few years ago but didn't get it. I don't have much information on my resume but I have scholarships, volunteer, and leadership. I am not sure if I should add my scholarship to state convention and Washington seminar. Also I don't know if I should add attended lcb. I currently don't have any blind things on my resume. I am going to apply in December or January. I am scared because I don't want to stay home all four months. Any advise will work. Thanks, Shikha _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com Fri Jun 17 18:54:35 2016 From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 14:54:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Counselor at training centers during summer In-Reply-To: <7A43BEB2-7ECA-417B-BA52-BECEC2BBF4D4@gmail.com> References: <7A43BEB2-7ECA-417B-BA52-BECEC2BBF4D4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00b001d1c8c9$b15e1610$141a4230$@gmail.com> Shikha: I would certainly add those scholarships to your resume, as they demonstrate leadership in the Federation and a recognition of your potential from Federation leaders. If you plan to apply to be a counselor at one of our training centers, this attribute will be especially helpful as you try to get your foot in the door. Also, what specific interviewing skills do you feel you need help with? If you are interested, I would be glad to try to provide some tips off-list. Good luck, Chris -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shikha via NABS-L Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 2:03 PM To: National Association of Blind Students Cc: Shikha Subject: [nabs-l] Counselor at training centers during summer Hey, My name is Shikha from Georgia. I have never had a job before and not taking any summer classes next summer. I am majoring in social work at Georgia state university. I am thinking of being a summer counselor at one of the training centers but i am not good at giving interviews. I applied to lcb and bisim few years ago but didn't get it. I don't have much information on my resume but I have scholarships, volunteer, and leadership. I am not sure if I should add my scholarship to state convention and Washington seminar. Also I don't know if I should add attended lcb. I currently don't have any blind things on my resume. I am going to apply in December or January. I am scared because I don't want to stay home all four months. Any advise will work. Thanks, Shikha _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%40gmail.com From desai1shikha at gmail.com Fri Jun 17 20:23:45 2016 From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 16:23:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Counselor at training centers during summer In-Reply-To: <00b001d1c8c9$b15e1610$141a4230$@gmail.com> References: <7A43BEB2-7ECA-417B-BA52-BECEC2BBF4D4@gmail.com> <00b001d1c8c9$b15e1610$141a4230$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks so much. I am not good at selling my self and not showing that i am nervous. I get discouraged and emotional easily. Shikha. > On Jun 17, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L wrote: > > Shikha: > > I would certainly add those scholarships to your resume, as they demonstrate > leadership in the Federation and a recognition of your potential from > Federation leaders. If you plan to apply to be a counselor at one of our > training centers, this attribute will be especially helpful as you try to > get your foot in the door. Also, what specific interviewing skills do you > feel you need help with? If you are interested, I would be glad to try to > provide some tips off-list. > > Good luck, > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shikha via > NABS-L > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 2:03 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students > Cc: Shikha > Subject: [nabs-l] Counselor at training centers during summer > > Hey, > My name is Shikha from Georgia. I have never had a job before and not taking > any summer classes next summer. I am majoring in social work at Georgia > state university. I am thinking of being a summer counselor at one of the > training centers but i am not good at giving interviews. I applied to lcb > and bisim few years ago but didn't get it. I don't have much information on > my resume but I have scholarships, volunteer, and leadership. I am not sure > if I should add my scholarship to state convention and Washington seminar. > Also I don't know if I should add attended lcb. I currently don't have any > blind things on my resume. I am going to apply in December or January. I am > scared because I don't want to stay home all four months. > Any advise will work. > Thanks, > Shikha > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/desai1shikha%40gmail.com From desai1shikha at gmail.com Fri Jun 17 20:26:40 2016 From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 16:26:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Counselor at training centers during summer In-Reply-To: <00b001d1c8c9$b15e1610$141a4230$@gmail.com> References: <7A43BEB2-7ECA-417B-BA52-BECEC2BBF4D4@gmail.com> <00b001d1c8c9$b15e1610$141a4230$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks justin i am going to get that book! Shikha. > On Jun 17, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L wrote: > > Shikha: > > I would certainly add those scholarships to your resume, as they demonstrate > leadership in the Federation and a recognition of your potential from > Federation leaders. If you plan to apply to be a counselor at one of our > training centers, this attribute will be especially helpful as you try to > get your foot in the door. Also, what specific interviewing skills do you > feel you need help with? If you are interested, I would be glad to try to > provide some tips off-list. > > Good luck, > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shikha via > NABS-L > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 2:03 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students > Cc: Shikha > Subject: [nabs-l] Counselor at training centers during summer > > Hey, > My name is Shikha from Georgia. I have never had a job before and not taking > any summer classes next summer. I am majoring in social work at Georgia > state university. I am thinking of being a summer counselor at one of the > training centers but i am not good at giving interviews. I applied to lcb > and bisim few years ago but didn't get it. I don't have much information on > my resume but I have scholarships, volunteer, and leadership. I am not sure > if I should add my scholarship to state convention and Washington seminar. > Also I don't know if I should add attended lcb. I currently don't have any > blind things on my resume. I am going to apply in December or January. I am > scared because I don't want to stay home all four months. > Any advise will work. > Thanks, > Shikha > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/desai1shikha%40gmail.com From lhnews at lighthouse-sf.org Fri Jun 17 20:39:56 2016 From: lhnews at lighthouse-sf.org (LightHouse for the Blind and Visually Impaired) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 20:39:56 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] LightHouse Employment opportunities - Information Concierge, Adaptations Blindness Product Specialist Message-ID: <47419736e97947f6962affb7ab3c5863@1155-009.core.lighthouse-sf.org> The LightHouse is hiring! Here are two of our featured employment opportunities. Please go to http://lighthouse-sf.org/about/careers/ for more information about each position and others that we have available. The LightHouse for the Blind is looking for friendly, creative and customer service oriented people to join the LightHouse team as we embark on a fresh journey in our new building in the heart of downtown San Francisco. With 90 employees and an annual budget of $12.5 million, the LightHouse has the resources and imagination to help change the lives of the blind and low vision population of the greater bay area and beyond. One of San Francisco's oldest and best-known philanthropies, we've just moved to our brand-new state-of-the-art headquarters on Market Street, where we'll coordinate volunteers, big tech, teachers, families, students and a caring staff together to design and build new ways to help people with visual impairments. 1. LightHouse Information Concierge: The LightHouse is seeking a skilled professional to provide the ultimate concierge experience to all visitors to LightHouse headquarters. The ideal candidate has strong customer service skills, is able to multitask in a busy public setting and is comfortable working with a culturally diverse population. This position may also require participation in LightHouse activities not related to information and resources at the discretion of the Director of Community Services. 2. Adaptations Blindness Product Specialist: The Adaptations Blindness Product Specialist is responsible for selecting new products for the Adaptations store. Professional and proficient customer service during walk-in, phone, electronic and mail order sales is critical. The Product Specialist will also assist during inventory management, vendor relations, sales reporting, marketing strategies development and supervision of volunteer assistants. Again please go to http://lighthouse-sf.org/about/careers/ for information about these positions and more. Visit the LightHouse for the Blind's new headquarters at 1155 Market Street, 10th Floor. Check out our store, Adaptations, experience the new facility designed by and for people who are blind and learn about all of our programs and resources for people who are blind or have low vision. From sgermano at asu.edu Sat Jun 18 03:04:57 2016 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 22:04:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Filling out financial aid forms? In-Reply-To: <2954F7B5-02E5-4EBF-A258-417CBF9D08B0@gmail.com> References: <2954F7B5-02E5-4EBF-A258-417CBF9D08B0@gmail.com> Message-ID: The FAFSA is usually due by March for the following school year. So March in senior high school year for your freshman college year. On Wednesday, June 15, 2016, Angela via NABS-L wrote: > Hello everyone, hope you're having a wonderful day. > I have a quick question about when to fill out financial aid forms for > college. Do I start while I'm in a high school program? or do I wait until > after high school to fill them out? > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From kaybaycar at gmail.com Sat Jun 18 07:22:17 2016 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 03:22:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Counselor at training centers during summer In-Reply-To: References: <7A43BEB2-7ECA-417B-BA52-BECEC2BBF4D4@gmail.com> <00b001d1c8c9$b15e1610$141a4230$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Shikha, I can relate to this as I have struggled in the past to confidently sell my accomplishments in an interview. A few recommendations: 1. Your school should have a career center. They can practice mock interviews with you. 2. If you are looking to work on general poise when speaking, then I would recommend taking a public speaking class or something similar. I took one in undergrad and found it helped my ability to speak clearly and concisely. 3. Remember that interview space is different than the real world. You must be polite of course, but you want to give the potential employer a reason to hire you. Don't sell yourself short, and don't be humble about the experience you have. 4. If you are going to convention, it might not hurt to stop into the job fair and the job seekers seminars. I know there are a couple employers on that list who offer to give mock interviews, and the other job seminars may have useful tips for you. It's always worth applying again. I applied for my current summer position last summer as well but did not get it until this year. Good luck! On 6/17/16, Shikha via NABS-L wrote: > Thanks justin i am going to get that book! > > Shikha. > >> On Jun 17, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Shikha: >> >> I would certainly add those scholarships to your resume, as they >> demonstrate >> leadership in the Federation and a recognition of your potential from >> Federation leaders. If you plan to apply to be a counselor at one of our >> training centers, this attribute will be especially helpful as you try to >> get your foot in the door. Also, what specific interviewing skills do you >> feel you need help with? If you are interested, I would be glad to try to >> provide some tips off-list. >> >> Good luck, >> >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shikha via >> NABS-L >> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 2:03 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students >> Cc: Shikha >> Subject: [nabs-l] Counselor at training centers during summer >> >> Hey, >> My name is Shikha from Georgia. I have never had a job before and not >> taking >> any summer classes next summer. I am majoring in social work at Georgia >> state university. I am thinking of being a summer counselor at one of the >> training centers but i am not good at giving interviews. I applied to >> lcb >> and bisim few years ago but didn't get it. I don't have much information >> on >> my resume but I have scholarships, volunteer, and leadership. I am not >> sure >> if I should add my scholarship to state convention and Washington >> seminar. >> Also I don't know if I should add attended lcb. I currently don't have >> any >> blind things on my resume. I am going to apply in December or January. I >> am >> scared because I don't want to stay home all four months. >> Any advise will work. >> Thanks, >> Shikha >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/desai1shikha%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie A. McGinnity President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division, Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri "For we walk by faith, not by sight" 2 Cor. 7 From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Jun 17 09:54:18 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:54:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Filling out financial aid forms? In-Reply-To: References: <2954F7B5-02E5-4EBF-A258-417CBF9D08B0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <055501d1c87e$37e2f3f0$a7a8dbd0$@gmail.com> For me, my fasfa was due June 30th. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne Germano via NABS-L Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 11:05 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Suzanne Germano Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Filling out financial aid forms? The FAFSA is usually due by March for the following school year. So March in senior high school year for your freshman college year. On Wednesday, June 15, 2016, Angela via NABS-L wrote: > Hello everyone, hope you're having a wonderful day. > I have a quick question about when to fill out financial aid forms for > college. Do I start while I'm in a high school program? or do I wait > until after high school to fill them out? > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu Sat Jun 18 16:05:56 2016 From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 12:05:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Filling out financial aid forms? In-Reply-To: <055501d1c87e$37e2f3f0$a7a8dbd0$@gmail.com> References: <2954F7B5-02E5-4EBF-A258-417CBF9D08B0@gmail.com> <055501d1c87e$37e2f3f0$a7a8dbd0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, that is correct, however the earlier the FAFSA is filled out the greater the amount of eight someone can receive. God bless.--Christina > On Jun 17, 2016, at 05:54, justin via NABS-L wrote: > > For me, my fasfa was due June 30th. > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne Germano > via NABS-L > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 11:05 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Suzanne Germano > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Filling out financial aid forms? > > The FAFSA is usually due by March for the following school year. So March in > senior high school year for your freshman college year. > >> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016, Angela via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hello everyone, hope you're having a wonderful day. >> I have a quick question about when to fill out financial aid forms for >> college. Do I start while I'm in a high school program? or do I wait >> until after high school to fill them out? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com Sat Jun 18 16:15:28 2016 From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 11:15:28 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Filling out financial aid forms? In-Reply-To: References: <2954F7B5-02E5-4EBF-A258-417CBF9D08B0@gmail.com> <055501d1c87e$37e2f3f0$a7a8dbd0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <776AD5BE-82ED-4FF7-8D14-A177D789967B@gmail.com> So should I fill it out now? Also, I might be moving to another state here in the near future. Do I wait until I know if I am moving to fill it out? Or could I have it transferred to the new state that I'm in? Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 18, 2016, at 11:05 AM, Christina Moore via NABS-L wrote: > > Yes, that is correct, however the earlier the FAFSA is filled out the greater the amount of eight someone can receive. > > > God bless.--Christina > >> On Jun 17, 2016, at 05:54, justin via NABS-L wrote: >> >> For me, my fasfa was due June 30th. >> Justin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne Germano >> via NABS-L >> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 11:05 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: Suzanne Germano >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Filling out financial aid forms? >> >> The FAFSA is usually due by March for the following school year. So March in >> senior high school year for your freshman college year. >> >>> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016, Angela via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> Hello everyone, hope you're having a wonderful day. >>> I have a quick question about when to fill out financial aid forms for >>> college. Do I start while I'm in a high school program? or do I wait >>> until after high school to fill them out? >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com From munawarb at gmail.com Sat Jun 18 16:46:58 2016 From: munawarb at gmail.com (Munawar Bijani) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 12:46:58 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Filling out financial aid forms? In-Reply-To: <776AD5BE-82ED-4FF7-8D14-A177D789967B@gmail.com> References: <2954F7B5-02E5-4EBF-A258-417CBF9D08B0@gmail.com> <055501d1c87e$37e2f3f0$a7a8dbd0$@gmail.com> <776AD5BE-82ED-4FF7-8D14-A177D789967B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4d5c8e38-c1aa-e87d-107a-61f1ac3f7ddb@gmail.com> Hi, I don't think a list like this is the best place to ask such serious questions about your finances. Talking to a college financial advisor who can give you well researched and knowledgeable advice will be worth your time. On 6/18/2016 12:15 PM, Angela via NABS-L wrote: > So should I fill it out now? Also, I might be moving to another state here in the near future. Do I wait until I know if I am moving to fill it out? Or could I have it transferred to the new state that I'm in? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 18, 2016, at 11:05 AM, Christina Moore via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Yes, that is correct, however the earlier the FAFSA is filled out the greater the amount of eight someone can receive. >> >> >> God bless.--Christina >> >>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 05:54, justin via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> For me, my fasfa was due June 30th. >>> Justin >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne Germano >>> via NABS-L >>> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 11:05 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Cc: Suzanne Germano >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Filling out financial aid forms? >>> >>> The FAFSA is usually due by March for the following school year. So March in >>> senior high school year for your freshman college year. >>> >>>> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016, Angela via NABS-L wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello everyone, hope you're having a wonderful day. >>>> I have a quick question about when to fill out financial aid forms for >>>> college. Do I start while I'm in a high school program? or do I wait >>>> until after high school to fill them out? >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/munawarb%40gmail.com From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu Sat Jun 18 16:53:05 2016 From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 12:53:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Filling out financial aid forms? In-Reply-To: <776AD5BE-82ED-4FF7-8D14-A177D789967B@gmail.com> References: <2954F7B5-02E5-4EBF-A258-417CBF9D08B0@gmail.com> <055501d1c87e$37e2f3f0$a7a8dbd0$@gmail.com> <776AD5BE-82ED-4FF7-8D14-A177D789967B@gmail.com> Message-ID: It would probably be best to wait. God bless.--Christina > On Jun 18, 2016, at 12:15, Angela via NABS-L wrote: > > So should I fill it out now? Also, I might be moving to another state here in the near future. Do I wait until I know if I am moving to fill it out? Or could I have it transferred to the new state that I'm in? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 18, 2016, at 11:05 AM, Christina Moore via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Yes, that is correct, however the earlier the FAFSA is filled out the greater the amount of eight someone can receive. >> >> >> God bless.--Christina >> >>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 05:54, justin via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> For me, my fasfa was due June 30th. >>> Justin >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne Germano >>> via NABS-L >>> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 11:05 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Cc: Suzanne Germano >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Filling out financial aid forms? >>> >>> The FAFSA is usually due by March for the following school year. So March in >>> senior high school year for your freshman college year. >>> >>>> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016, Angela via NABS-L wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello everyone, hope you're having a wonderful day. >>>> I have a quick question about when to fill out financial aid forms for >>>> college. Do I start while I'm in a high school program? or do I wait >>>> until after high school to fill them out? >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com Sat Jun 18 16:57:11 2016 From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 11:57:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Filling out financial aid forms? In-Reply-To: References: <2954F7B5-02E5-4EBF-A258-417CBF9D08B0@gmail.com> <055501d1c87e$37e2f3f0$a7a8dbd0$@gmail.com> <776AD5BE-82ED-4FF7-8D14-A177D789967B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <146B1732-83B7-4A60-B331-EE70A8413CEF@gmail.com> Thank you Christina. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 18, 2016, at 11:53 AM, Christina Moore via NABS-L wrote: > > It would probably be best to wait. > > > God bless.--Christina > >> On Jun 18, 2016, at 12:15, Angela via NABS-L wrote: >> >> So should I fill it out now? Also, I might be moving to another state here in the near future. Do I wait until I know if I am moving to fill it out? Or could I have it transferred to the new state that I'm in? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 11:05 AM, Christina Moore via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> Yes, that is correct, however the earlier the FAFSA is filled out the greater the amount of eight someone can receive. >>> >>> >>> God bless.--Christina >>> >>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 05:54, justin via NABS-L wrote: >>>> >>>> For me, my fasfa was due June 30th. >>>> Justin >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne Germano >>>> via NABS-L >>>> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 11:05 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Cc: Suzanne Germano >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Filling out financial aid forms? >>>> >>>> The FAFSA is usually due by March for the following school year. So March in >>>> senior high school year for your freshman college year. >>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016, Angela via NABS-L wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello everyone, hope you're having a wonderful day. >>>>> I have a quick question about when to fill out financial aid forms for >>>>> college. Do I start while I'm in a high school program? or do I wait >>>>> until after high school to fill them out? >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>>> .com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com From zumbagecko at gmail.com Sat Jun 18 23:39:10 2016 From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 16:39:10 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] repair jaws Message-ID: <5765dbb3.4763620a.2fbf7.fffff4a1@mx.google.com> Hello, how do I repair jaws 17, because someone else installed it on my system. A registery was corrupt so I had to do a system restore. It restored successfully. I installed the jaws update and got a package errror and need to repair jaws 17. My technology specialst installed it so I don't have the authorization code to reinstall. How can I repair the orrigininal installation without the installation? From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com Sat Jun 18 23:46:59 2016 From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 18:46:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] repair jaws In-Reply-To: <5765dbb3.4763620a.2fbf7.fffff4a1@mx.google.com> References: <5765dbb3.4763620a.2fbf7.fffff4a1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: You can try to contact freedom scientific and see if they will give you your authorization number. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 18, 2016, at 6:39 PM, petras via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello, how do I repair jaws 17, because someone else installed it on my system. A registery was corrupt so I had to do a system restore. It restored successfully. I installed the jaws update and got a package errror and need to repair jaws 17. My technology specialst installed it so I don't have the authorization code to reinstall. How can I repair the orrigininal installation without the installation? > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com From hope.paulos at gmail.com Sat Jun 18 23:50:38 2016 From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 19:50:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] repair jaws In-Reply-To: References: <5765dbb3.4763620a.2fbf7.fffff4a1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: That's correct. Call freedom scientific technical support, provide your serial number, and they will email you your authorization ID. Hope Paulos > On Jun 18, 2016, at 7:46 PM, Angela via NABS-L wrote: > > You can try to contact freedom scientific and see if they will give you your authorization number. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 18, 2016, at 6:39 PM, petras via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hello, how do I repair jaws 17, because someone else installed it on my system. A registery was corrupt so I had to do a system restore. It restored successfully. I installed the jaws update and got a package errror and need to repair jaws 17. My technology specialst installed it so I don't have the authorization code to reinstall. How can I repair the orrigininal installation without the installation? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com From zumbagecko at gmail.com Sun Jun 19 00:52:46 2016 From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 17:52:46 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] repair jaws Message-ID: <5765ecf4.0804420a.dc343.ffffbec9@mx.google.com> How will they proove that it's me? I don't own the serial number. ----- Original Message ----- From: Hope Paulos via NABS-L wrote: You can try to contact freedom scientific and see if they will give you your authorization number. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 18, 2016, at 6:39 PM, petras via NABS-L wrote: Hello, how do I repair jaws 17, because someone else installed it on my system. A registery was corrupt so I had to do a system restore. It restored successfully. I installed the jaws update and got a package errror and need to repair jaws 17. My technology specialst installed it so I don't have the authorization code to reinstall. How can I repair the orrigininal installation without the installation? _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts 10886%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zumbagecko%40 gmail.com From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com Sun Jun 19 01:25:06 2016 From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (Angela Roberts) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 20:25:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] repair jaws In-Reply-To: <5765ecf4.0804420a.dc343.ffffbec9@mx.google.com> References: <5765ecf4.0804420a.dc343.ffffbec9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Do you have the serial number? It will be linked to your name, even though you didn't buy it. On 6/18/16, petras via NABS-L wrote: > How will they proove that it's me? I don't own the serial number. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Hope Paulos via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 19:50:38 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] repair jaws > > That's correct. Call freedom scientific technical support, > provide your serial number, and they will email you your > authorization ID. > > Hope Paulos > > On Jun 18, 2016, at 7:46 PM, Angela via NABS-L > wrote: > > You can try to contact freedom scientific and see if they will > give you your authorization number. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 18, 2016, at 6:39 PM, petras via NABS-L > wrote: > > Hello, how do I repair jaws 17, because someone else installed > it on my system. A registery was corrupt so I had to do a system > restore. It restored successfully. I installed the jaws update > and got a package errror and need to repair jaws 17. My > technology specialst installed it so I don't have the > authorization code to reinstall. How can I repair the > orrigininal installation without the installation? > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts > 10886%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 > 0gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zumbagecko%40 > gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com > From munawarb at gmail.com Sun Jun 19 01:34:17 2016 From: munawarb at gmail.com (Munawar Bijani) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 21:34:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] repair jaws In-Reply-To: <5765ecf4.0804420a.dc343.ffffbec9@mx.google.com> References: <5765ecf4.0804420a.dc343.ffffbec9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4ab5857b-ef98-0fd8-0882-45e30a95da48@gmail.com> You don't need the authorization code to repair JAWS. On 6/18/2016 8:52 PM, petras via NABS-L wrote: > How will they proove that it's me? I don't own the serial number. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Hope Paulos via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 19:50:38 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] repair jaws > > That's correct. Call freedom scientific technical support, provide > your serial number, and they will email you your authorization ID. > > Hope Paulos > > On Jun 18, 2016, at 7:46 PM, Angela via NABS-L wrote: > > You can try to contact freedom scientific and see if they will give > you your authorization number. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 18, 2016, at 6:39 PM, petras via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello, how do I repair jaws 17, because someone else installed it on > my system. A registery was corrupt so I had to do a system restore. > It restored successfully. I installed the jaws update and got a > package errror and need to repair jaws 17. My technology specialst > installed it so I don't have the authorization code to reinstall. How > can I repair the orrigininal installation without the installation? > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts > 10886%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 > 0gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zumbagecko%40 > gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/munawarb%40gmail.com From zumbagecko at gmail.com Sun Jun 19 01:48:47 2016 From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 18:48:47 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] repair jaws Message-ID: <5765fa13.5b4c620a.cacbd.ffffa759@mx.google.com> What's the popper way to reinstall it? Do I have to uninstall it, if so how without losing the code? ----- Original Message ----- From: Angela Roberts via NABS-L wrote: How will they proove that it's me? I don't own the serial number. ----- Original Message ----- From: Hope Paulos via NABS-L wrote: You can try to contact freedom scientific and see if they will give you your authorization number. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 18, 2016, at 6:39 PM, petras via NABS-L wrote: Hello, how do I repair jaws 17, because someone else installed it on my system. A registery was corrupt so I had to do a system restore. It restored successfully. I installed the jaws update and got a package errror and need to repair jaws 17. My technology specialst installed it so I don't have the authorization code to reinstall. How can I repair the orrigininal installation without the installation? _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts 10886%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zumbagecko%40 gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts 10886%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zumbagecko%40 gmail.com From gallagher123123 at gmail.com Sun Jun 19 03:39:29 2016 From: gallagher123123 at gmail.com (Cullen G) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 23:39:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Section 508 Refresh Timing Confirmed - SSB BART Group Message-ID: <6452BD26-5D61-44D3-835B-392BB958800B@gmail.com> hi all, Just found this while browsing my twitter feed, and Thought it might be interesting. I know NFB passed a resolution regarding this at last year’s convention. Cullen > http://www.ssbbartgroup.com/blog/section-508-refresh-timing-confirmed/ > > Section 508 Refresh Timing Confirmed > > At the M-Enabling Summit today, David Capozzi, Executive Director of the U.S. Access Board, confirmed the Board is working to publish the final rule updating Section 508 standards by October of this year. The team expects to ask the Board for a vote on the draft text during the July meeting. Once approved by the Board, the final rule will go to the Office of Budget Management (OMB) where the Board expects the review will take 90 days. Board staffers pointed out, however, that the OMB has wide discretion to take its time during the review so the exact review timeframe is unknown. So, hopefully, we see the final version of the Refresh in October. From rob.parso3389 at gmail.com Mon Jun 20 00:51:36 2016 From: rob.parso3389 at gmail.com (Robert Parsons ) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 20:51:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Think Virginia at Convention Message-ID: <000001d1ca8d$e66d7e70$b3487b50$@gmail.com> Good Evening NABS I hope that the anticipation and excitement has not overcome you while we are at the final stretch before our national convention in Orlando. I am writing to put the word out to all attending NABS members of Virginia's resurgence in the NABS atmosphere. Aside from my hope that I will have your vote for the position of board member at the elections (seriously, I can make NABS magical), I also will be floating around the hotel selling customized VABS shot glasses. These are 100% glass shots glasses (not the plastic ones for parties) and they are engraved with "Virginia Association of Blind Students" across them. The price for these glasses will be $5 and I will indeed be selling them at the social and board meeting. I will also be working a shift at the NABS table in the exhibit hall and hope to have them there for your buying pleasure. Think of these glasses as a souvenir that will remind you of the convention where NABS became epic because I joined the ranks of the board. Vote Parsons Robert E. Parsons Jr. Vice President, Richmond Chapter National Federation of the Blind of Virginia (NFBV) J. Sargeant Reynolds Community College '17 Alpha Delta Mu National Music and Social Work Fraternity Phi Theta Kappa International Honor Society '15 www.nfbv.org Phone: 804 200 3275 "Persist Until Success Happens." -Thomas Bailey From GCazares at nfb.org Mon Jun 20 12:39:56 2016 From: GCazares at nfb.org (Cazares, Gabe) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 12:39:56 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] The Self Advocacy in Higher Education Seminar at National Convention Message-ID: Howdy Students, The 2016 NFB National Convention is a little over a week away, and as you make your daily schedules for what promises to be another action-packed week of meetings and seminars, I want to encourage you to include the Self Advocacy in Higher Education Seminar. This seminar is a workshop for current or soon-to-be undergraduate or graduate students to know your legal rights and learn effective strategies for self-advocacy in obtaining accommodations and accessing instructional materials and digital content. I hope to see many of you on Sunday July 3, from 6:00 - 7:30 pm in Wekiwa 5, Level 1. If you have any questions, please feel free to reach out to me. Best, ...Gabe Gabe Cazares Government Affairs Specialist National Federation of the Blind 200 East Wells Street At Jernigan Place Baltimore, MD 21230 E: gcazares at nfb.org P: 410-659-9314 Ext. 2206 T: @gmcazares The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. To make a donation to the National Federation of the Blind Imagination Fund campaign, please visit www.nfb.org/ImaginingOurFuture Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. From syedrizvinfb at gmail.com Tue Jun 21 20:36:32 2016 From: syedrizvinfb at gmail.com (Syed Rizvi ) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 15:36:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Android User Needed Message-ID: <001601d1cbfc$99e9ab80$cdbd0280$@gmail.com> Android User Needed Hello All, My name is Syed Rizvi and I am currently interning at the Massachusetts State House in the Legislative Information Services Department. One of the projects we are working on is creating a mobile app. I was hoping to find a blind android user who would be interested in getting some great experience working with a Quality Assurance Engineering team. We just need to get feed back on your experience using our app and this could potentially look great on a resume. Please email or call me as soon as possible. My number is 4132503523. Cordially, Syed Rizvi Intern | Legislative Information Systems Analyst | MA LIS, FTG CO, NBI Intern | ADA Director syedrizvinfb at gmail.com 4132503523 From dandrews at visi.com Wed Jun 22 14:17:28 2016 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 09:17:28 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Roommate Sought Message-ID: My name is Josh Nash and I am seeking a roommate for the National Federation of the Blind Convention in Orlando Florida. I am a student at Mississippi State University and this will be my first time attending. Please contact me at 769-243-3445 if interested. I will come in on June 30, 2016 and leave on July 4, 2016. You can email me at SMTurner.234 at gmail.com or CRDavisjm at gmail.com. Thank You! From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com Thu Jun 23 01:58:34 2016 From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 21:58:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Opportunity to Help with Positive Blindness Research at Convention Message-ID: <006101d1ccf2$c070e0b0$4152a210$@gmail.com> Fellow Students: Please see the below announcement from Johns Hopkins University regarding a study they are conducting in partnership with our Jernigan Institute. As convention approaches, they are in need of many more interested participants in order to make their research successful. So, if you meet the criteria listed below, I would urge you to contact the lab to schedule your appointment in Orlando. I hope you will take this opportunity to earn a little money while supporting research which seeks to portray blindness in an accurate and positive light! See you in Orlando, Chris Johns Hopkins University Research Opportunity in Orlando The Neuroplasticity and Development Lab, Department of Psychological and Brain Science, at Johns Hopkins University invites participants to take part in research studies at the NFB convention this year. The studies involve listening to sentences, listening to tones, reading Braille and answering questions. The goal of this research is to better understand how visual and non-visual experiences contribute to cognition. There are several studies available. You can choose to participate in one or more of these studies. Each study takes around 1-2 hours and participants are compensated $30 per hour for participating. Prior to scheduling a study appointment we ask that you complete a pre-screening interview over the phone to see whether you qualify. Among the qualification criteria, participants must be congenitally and totally blind and between the ages of 18-50. The screening interview takes between 15 to 30 minutes. Those who take part in the screening interview will receive a $15 Amazon gift certificate. To find out if you qualify and to sign up for study appointment please contact us by either calling (410) 870-9895 or emailing plasticity_lab at jhu.edu Chris Nusbaum, President Maryland Association of Blind Students Board Member, National Association of Blind Students Phone: (443) 547-2409 Email: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Twitter: @Chrisn98 and @nabslink The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise expectations for blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you bak. From clb5590 at gmail.com Thu Jun 23 02:08:27 2016 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 19:08:27 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] OneNote Message-ID: Hi, I would love to speak with someone off list who uses OneNote online with a screen reader. I read some accessibility tutorials and keystrokes but I'm having some trouble. I'm using windows 10 and office 2016 and have both jaws and NVDA. Thanks, Cindy Bennett > https://www.bennettc.com/ > > > 2nd Year Ph.D. Student, Human Centered Design and Engineering > University of Washington > > clb5590 at gmail.com From kaybaycar at gmail.com Thu Jun 23 14:34:53 2016 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 10:34:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Training Center Questions Message-ID: Hi friends, Let's talk training centers, shall we. I have a few questions, and I wonder if some of you can provide a little perspective for me. For those who have graduated from a training center: What was the single most important/valuable thing you got out of your center experience? If you had some skills before attending a training center, why did you choose training? By some skills, I mean that you lived on your own, navigated a college campus, could read Braille and manage a computer, or any other combination of the above and more. Maybe you didn't have all of the tools in the box, but you could function successfully in the world. Also, did any of you attend a training center after graduating from college, particularly a masters program? If this applies to you, why did you choose center training over finding a job? If you have not been to training, and you do not plan to attend a center, have you ever regretted not doing so? I understand that many people just don't have the time from school or a career to attend training, but are there other reasons you have chosen not to attend a training center? I have more questions, but that's enough for now. Feel free to email me off list, message me on Facebook or Twitter, or even call me if you prefer. My curious mind is eager for more perspective. Thanks! -- Julie A. McGinnity President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division, Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri "For we walk by faith, not by sight" 2 Cor. 7 From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com Thu Jun 23 15:18:56 2016 From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 10:18:56 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Training Center Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Julie, I graduated from the Louisiana Center for the Blind at the end of May, so I’ll provide a bit of perspective. Before I attended training, I had a fair few skills. I navigated campus, lived on my own, and could read Braille and use a computer. The reason I attended training was for my confidence. I had very little of this important attribute before I came to LCB. I didn’t believe in myself and I was very down, even a little depressed. I got to LCB and had no idea what I’d gotten myself into. We went rock climbing, and now I compare training to a rock wall. We all start at the bottom of our respective walls. Some of us might be a little further up the mountain than others, but we’re all starting at the base of the wall. If we listen to our instructors, and work just as hard as we can, eventually, with a triumphant yell, we will scale the wall and stand at the top, waving both hands. Slowly, throughout training, my confidence came back, and then soared to new heights. I never thought I could travel in the areas I have, successfully go to Mardi Gras, or anything that I’ve done. I’m so happy I got the opportunity to go to training. The most important thing I got out of the experience was self-confidence. You can take all the classes you want, but without confidence in your abilities, you are nothing. Aleeha > On Jun 23, 2016, at 9:34 AM, Julie McGinnity via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi friends, > > Let's talk training centers, shall we. I have a few questions, and I > wonder if some of you can provide a little perspective for me. > > For those who have graduated from a training center: What was the > single most important/valuable thing you got out of your center > experience? > > If you had some skills before attending a training center, why did you > choose training? By some skills, I mean that you lived on your own, > navigated a college campus, could read Braille and manage a computer, > or any other combination of the above and more. Maybe you didn't have > all of the tools in the box, but you could function successfully in > the world. > > Also, did any of you attend a training center after graduating from > college, particularly a masters program? If this applies to you, why > did you choose center training over finding a job? > > If you have not been to training, and you do not plan to attend a > center, have you ever regretted not doing so? I understand that many > people just don't have the time from school or a career to attend > training, but are there other reasons you have chosen not to attend a > training center? > > I have more questions, but that's enough for now. Feel free to email > me off list, message me on Facebook or Twitter, or even call me if you > prefer. My curious mind is eager for more perspective. Thanks! > > > > -- > Julie A. McGinnity > President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division, > Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri > "For we walk by faith, not by sight" > 2 Cor. 7 > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com From jfranks at nfbtx.org Thu Jun 23 19:03:25 2016 From: jfranks at nfbtx.org (Jonathan Franks) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 14:03:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Training Center Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Julie and I, I did not graduate from a NFB training Center; however each training center has its advantages. What I gained most from a training center was a set of foundational skills that with experience I grew on. I did gain some sense of confidence while I was at my training center. However, when I put these skills constantly to the test in the real world, I gained a much stronger sense of confidence. Without these skills, I would never have been able to graduate from College. I hope this helps Jonathan Franks BSW Board Member National Federation of the Blind of Texas Treasurer Texas Association of Blind Students On 6/23/16, Aleeha Dudley via NABS-L wrote: > Hey Julie, > I graduated from the Louisiana Center for the Blind at the end of May, so > I’ll provide a bit of perspective. > Before I attended training, I had a fair few skills. I navigated campus, > lived on my own, and could read Braille and use a computer. The reason I > attended training was for my confidence. I had very little of this important > attribute before I came to LCB. I didn’t believe in myself and I was very > down, even a little depressed. I got to LCB and had no idea what I’d gotten > myself into. We went rock climbing, and now I compare training to a rock > wall. We all start at the bottom of our respective walls. Some of us might > be a little further up the mountain than others, but we’re all starting at > the base of the wall. If we listen to our instructors, and work just as hard > as we can, eventually, with a triumphant yell, we will scale the wall and > stand at the top, waving both hands. Slowly, throughout training, my > confidence came back, and then soared to new heights. I never thought I > could travel in the areas I have, successfully go to Mardi Gras, or anything > that I’ve done. I’m so happy I got the opportunity to go to training. The > most important thing I got out of the experience was self-confidence. You > can take all the classes you want, but without confidence in your abilities, > you are nothing. > Aleeha >> On Jun 23, 2016, at 9:34 AM, Julie McGinnity via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Hi friends, >> >> Let's talk training centers, shall we. I have a few questions, and I >> wonder if some of you can provide a little perspective for me. >> >> For those who have graduated from a training center: What was the >> single most important/valuable thing you got out of your center >> experience? >> >> If you had some skills before attending a training center, why did you >> choose training? By some skills, I mean that you lived on your own, >> navigated a college campus, could read Braille and manage a computer, >> or any other combination of the above and more. Maybe you didn't have >> all of the tools in the box, but you could function successfully in >> the world. >> >> Also, did any of you attend a training center after graduating from >> college, particularly a masters program? If this applies to you, why >> did you choose center training over finding a job? >> >> If you have not been to training, and you do not plan to attend a >> center, have you ever regretted not doing so? I understand that many >> people just don't have the time from school or a career to attend >> training, but are there other reasons you have chosen not to attend a >> training center? >> >> I have more questions, but that's enough for now. Feel free to email >> me off list, message me on Facebook or Twitter, or even call me if you >> prefer. My curious mind is eager for more perspective. Thanks! >> >> >> >> -- >> Julie A. McGinnity >> President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division, >> Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri >> "For we walk by faith, not by sight" >> 2 Cor. 7 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jfranks%40nfbtx.org > -- The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. From discoduck221 at gmail.com Thu Jun 23 19:14:07 2016 From: discoduck221 at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 15:14:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Coverage Of The Nabs Business Meeting And More To Be Discussed On KJSC Radio Tonight Message-ID: Hi All! If anyone can't make convention or wants to know more about the streaming of the nabs business meeting, that will be discussed at around 9:3-0PM eastern during our Convention Send Off Party on KJSC Radio for those going to convention. If you want complete details about the party, read below. Otherwise, just go to http://onj.me/kjscradio at 9:30PM eastern to hear about our coverage. But to get energized for some fun prior to going to Orlando. read below: Summer has just started, and for some of us, excitement is in the air as we prepare for the NFB Convention In Orlando Florida. Whether you're packing for the convention, ready to go, or, even if you're not going, you're invited to tonight's Send Off To Orlando Party on KJSC Radio, presented by Djd's Digital Distraction Show, going from 8 to 11 PM eastern! Join us for... Some upbeat music to help you get more excited and/or to help you stay entertained as you pack, do final prep, etc... Since it is in Orlando, we have a tribute to the most magical place on earth, Disney World, with our Disney music sets... Learn about KJSC Radio coverage of some convention events... A tribute to the summer.... And more... And of course, your requests will help to make everyone feel good about the summer, the up coming fourth of July vacation, and our up coming convention trip in Orlando. To get in touch for requests and interactions, you can either Skype us at KJSC.radio Tweet us at kjscradio Call us at 602 399 7279 Or during the show, search for that song request to make your party that much more special by visiting http://djdrocks.online/requests Now, to listen, you can Search for KJSC Radio in the Tunein app Go right on over to http://onj.me/kjscradio Or visit http://kjscradio.com/classic/radio.php for other listening options, including listening with your favorite media player. Regardless of how you tune in, join us for high energy music and fun, starting at 8 PM eastern on KJSC Radio! I hope to see you all there! >From David Dunphy From jsoro620 at gmail.com Thu Jun 23 22:55:02 2016 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 18:55:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Training Center Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006b01d1cda2$471e0200$d55a0600$@gmail.com> Hello, I have never attended a training center and do not regret it. For the sake of specificity, I'll put out there that I'm referring to the NFB training centers. First, there is a certain rigidity to the traditional timeframe of six to nine months. Yes, this speaks to a person's inability to put their life on hold the older you get, but it also touches on the program's refusal to offer flexibility. It's a zero sum arrangement of offering the entire curriculum as opposed to breaking it down to specific areas where the individual wants the most concentration. Is it feasible for someone to take just one class all day? Probably not, but then the training center could offer a minimum threshold where the student agrees to take a reduced course load, making it profitable for the center and practical for the student. In doing so one would hope the time commitment would naturally be reduced. Second, for the working adult, it's not economically feasible. Unless the training center student is simultaneously doing something else for professional development, time at the training center creates a resume gap. For a hiring manager it's interesting to read about a candidate who took time off to better themselves, but a story of how you spent time building your independence sounds more like a reflective college admissions essay. In the job market, the candidate who took the same length of time to educate themselves or hold down a relevant job will present a stronger case for employment. The training could work while simultaneously building professional development. There are students at LCB, for example, and probably the other two centers who enroll in college courses, courses which have to be paid for, but then it becomes a matter of priorities. Are you taking college courses for the sake of taking courses? Is your NFB training likely to suffer if you simultaneously take on the demands of another obligation? To a degree one could argue the NFB training experience is a total emersion for a reason. Of course there is the matter of paying for the NFB training itself. I would venture to guess the vast majority of training is paid for with government funds. If a person is between jobs, perhaps it makes sense to seek training since one need not worry about the income requirements to be eligible for certain services. If an adult is gainfully employed, are they making enough to afford training? More to the point, is the employer likely to extend that much leave for the employee to receive independent living skills? If so, that is one heck of an employer we should all be wanting to work for. :) Next, for me there was never a uniqueness factor. The biggest selling point for an NFB training center is the level of confidence cultivated by confident, and competent, blind instructors, but does one necessarily have to attend an NFB training center to find this confidence? I could teach, and actually have taught, people different skills in my local area completely free of charge. There are means to learn technology and cooking from any number of community resources, meetups and the like, and one could argue these training scenarios would be preferable because one would presumably learn these skills from fellow sighted teachers. That seems like a dual teaching opportunity, but if blindness-specific training is what is being sought, the number of instructional podcasts by blind hosts for blind audiences is off the charts. Braille could be learned and improved upon through Hadley courses, pen pals and consistent practice. The only possible exception is travel instruction. Yet, it's only a possible exception, because NFB training centers could employ field travel instructors who could be deployed to specific areas to provide individual instruction similar to what guide dog schools offer as follow-up service. Again, this is an innovative strategy I wish modern NFB training programs incorporated into their curriculums. Nevertheless, most state agencies offer instructors on contract who could fulfill travel instruction needs, many of whom have graduated from the Louisiana Tech program. Putting all that aside, what a wonderful outreach opportunity for local NFB chapters. It would kind of be like putting your money where your mouth is. I learned how to confidently navigate the DC Metro system with the help of a local chapter member and became loyal to that chapter for that reason alone. Finally, I never bought into the marketing tactics. Guide dog schools do something similar where they try to sell you on independence if you get one of their canines. Likewise, I personally felt like NFB training centers worked hard at peddling their own special independence product. With certain exceptions, you will get out of a training program, any training program, whatever you put into it. If the NFB training centers were selling something ground-shaking, one could argue the unemployment rate among the blind would have seen a persistent trend downward, but either the centers with the scores of graduates each year aren't actually independent enough to reverse the statistics or the NFB is following suspicious statistics to start. Having said that, the committed person should attend a training center if that is their heart's passion. There is a difference between taking online college courses and living the campus life. Perhaps the person feels they need the total emersion to gain something valuable, and no one should get in the way of that desire. But, do it for yourself and not because someone else said you should do it. The reasons I've outlined here stem from my own cynicism and sheer stubbornness. I fell into the hands of terrible recruiters who were vocal about their value of the cane over the dog, of their belief that the NFB way was the only way, and of their views that without training I would have difficulty finding a job. Well, I'm on my second guide dog, did not rely on the NFB to chart my success, and my salary says my marketability is doing just fine. Some of the crazier independent blind people I know never had anything to do with the organization. I include this bit not to give those friendly center ambassadors the virtual finger. Some of those ambassadors are some of my current friends, but the point is everyone needs something to spur them onto picking up and developing the skills needed to navigate life. Attending a training center is going to build that motivation right into the experience. If the person can find the motivation to go at it alone, they're going to be just fine. After all, there is NFB philosophy at work outside of the centers. If they need an extra boost, there's absolutely nothing wrong with taking time off. If you're reading this and thinking you may want to go to a training center, do it early. The year after high school seems like the most ideal time in your life to knock it out. The longer you wait, the harder it becomes to accommodate the training, and then people run into the difficult but understandable dilemma of weighing the pros and cons of going for training versus the inevitable reality of looking for a job. That's letting life control you. You need to control it. Alright, that's my twenty dollar's worth. This was in no way a personal bash against centers or the awesome people who have posted favorable reviews of their experience, just a different perspective to consider in making decisions. Joe From arielle71 at gmail.com Thu Jun 23 23:23:48 2016 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 19:23:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Training Center Questions In-Reply-To: <006b01d1cda2$471e0200$d55a0600$@gmail.com> References: <006b01d1cda2$471e0200$d55a0600$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Julie and all, Excellent discussion. I will share my experience with a center, but first I want to gently challenge some misconceptions about rigidity. The centers recommend six to nine months in order to have a proper graduation ceremony and get a bell. However, there is nothing magical about getting a bell. I have known several individuals who attended a center for only a month or two and still received benefit. In fact, I think our esteemed Anil Lewis attended LCB for only a few months. I have also known individuals, and myself had the experience of being able to finish some classes early and then focus more on other classes. Some students finish cooking class requirements after only four months or so, and then double up on travel or Braille. I came into LCB reading over 300 words a minute, so after a month of training, I was able to negotiate with the staff to attend Braille only once a week. I spent the other four hours per week in kitchen where I really needed and benefited from the extra time. A good friend of mine went to CCB for only a month crash course after his wife passed away and he wanted to get some help with daily living skills. He was already employed, so he took a month's leave from work and funded his own training. My point is there are all kinds of situations where center training can work and the centers are flexible about working with students on meeting their goals in their own time frame. To answer the original question, I went to LCB between undergrad and grad school. I had thought about going during undergrad, but waited mainly because I had a big scholarship and was worried about complications from deferring my enrollment in school. By the time I went to LCB, I had lived on my own successfully and had even studied abroad in Australia. The main reason I wanted to attend the center was to improve my street travel skills. While I could get around OK in familiar areas or with the help of a mobility instructor, I had a lot of trouble with unfamiliar environments and with street crossings. In that regard LCB helped me to become a safer and more efficient traveler. While I still get myself turned around sometimes, I am now more tuned in to my environment and can get myself back on track a lot more easily than I could before. I can also walk through a new route once or twice and learn it instead of having to practice and memorize routes over and over. While I think I would have been an OK traveler without the center, I think the travel skills I gained made it much easier for me to learn my way around new cities, and I am in my third new city now since training. The other major benefit I got out of the center, as I mentioned, was cooking skills and confidence to try new recipes. I could cook a few things before training, but I wasn't fluent in the kitchen and I didn't trust myself to know when things were done for example. Now I am a lot more confident preparing new recipes, managing my time and multitasking in the kitchen. I do agree with Joe that if you think you may want to go to a center, it is easier to do it when you are younger and have less adult responsibilities. I think that all blind adults could benefit from spending even a few weeks at an NFB center, but I also recognize that for many of us, the incremental benefit may not be worth the sacrifice of time or freedom. Ultimately you will have to think about whether there are things you wish you knew how to do or that you wish you could do better, and if you think going to a center would help move you closer to those goals. That is a very individual decision. I am happy to talk more about specific details off list if you want. Best, Arielle On 6/23/16, Joe via NABS-L wrote: > Hello, > > I have never attended a training center and do not regret it. For the sake > of specificity, I'll put out there that I'm referring to the NFB training > centers. > > First, there is a certain rigidity to the traditional timeframe of six to > nine months. Yes, this speaks to a person's inability to put their life on > hold the older you get, but it also touches on the program's refusal to > offer flexibility. It's a zero sum arrangement of offering the entire > curriculum as opposed to breaking it down to specific areas where the > individual wants the most concentration. Is it feasible for someone to take > just one class all day? Probably not, but then the training center could > offer a minimum threshold where the student agrees to take a reduced course > load, making it profitable for the center and practical for the student. In > doing so one would hope the time commitment would naturally be reduced. > > Second, for the working adult, it's not economically feasible. Unless the > training center student is simultaneously doing something else for > professional development, time at the training center creates a resume gap. > For a hiring manager it's interesting to read about a candidate who took > time off to better themselves, but a story of how you spent time building > your independence sounds more like a reflective college admissions essay. > In > the job market, the candidate who took the same length of time to educate > themselves or hold down a relevant job will present a stronger case for > employment. The training could work while simultaneously building > professional development. There are students at LCB, for example, and > probably the other two centers who enroll in college courses, courses which > have to be paid for, but then it becomes a matter of priorities. Are you > taking college courses for the sake of taking courses? Is your NFB training > likely to suffer if you simultaneously take on the demands of another > obligation? To a degree one could argue the NFB training experience is a > total emersion for a reason. > > Of course there is the matter of paying for the NFB training itself. I > would > venture to guess the vast majority of training is paid for with government > funds. If a person is between jobs, perhaps it makes sense to seek training > since one need not worry about the income requirements to be eligible for > certain services. If an adult is gainfully employed, are they making enough > to afford training? More to the point, is the employer likely to extend > that > much leave for the employee to receive independent living skills? If so, > that is one heck of an employer we should all be wanting to work for. :) > > Next, for me there was never a uniqueness factor. The biggest selling point > for an NFB training center is the level of confidence cultivated by > confident, and competent, blind instructors, but does one necessarily have > to attend an NFB training center to find this confidence? I could teach, > and > actually have taught, people different skills in my local area completely > free of charge. There are means to learn technology and cooking from any > number of community resources, meetups and the like, and one could argue > these training scenarios would be preferable because one would presumably > learn these skills from fellow sighted teachers. That seems like a dual > teaching opportunity, but if blindness-specific training is what is being > sought, the number of instructional podcasts by blind hosts for blind > audiences is off the charts. Braille could be learned and improved upon > through Hadley courses, pen pals and consistent practice. > > The only possible exception is travel instruction. Yet, it's only a > possible > exception, because NFB training centers could employ field travel > instructors who could be deployed to specific areas to provide individual > instruction similar to what guide dog schools offer as follow-up service. > Again, this is an innovative strategy I wish modern NFB training programs > incorporated into their curriculums. Nevertheless, most state agencies > offer > instructors on contract who could fulfill travel instruction needs, many of > whom have graduated from the Louisiana Tech program. > > Putting all that aside, what a wonderful outreach opportunity for local NFB > chapters. It would kind of be like putting your money where your mouth is. > I > learned how to confidently navigate the DC Metro system with the help of a > local chapter member and became loyal to that chapter for that reason > alone. > > Finally, I never bought into the marketing tactics. Guide dog schools do > something similar where they try to sell you on independence if you get one > of their canines. Likewise, I personally felt like NFB training centers > worked hard at peddling their own special independence product. With > certain > exceptions, you will get out of a training program, any training program, > whatever you put into it. If the NFB training centers were selling > something > ground-shaking, one could argue the unemployment rate among the blind would > have seen a persistent trend downward, but either the centers with the > scores of graduates each year aren't actually independent enough to reverse > the statistics or the NFB is following suspicious statistics to start. > > Having said that, the committed person should attend a training center if > that is their heart's passion. There is a difference between taking online > college courses and living the campus life. Perhaps the person feels they > need the total emersion to gain something valuable, and no one should get > in > the way of that desire. But, do it for yourself and not because someone > else > said you should do it. The reasons I've outlined here stem from my own > cynicism and sheer stubbornness. I fell into the hands of terrible > recruiters who were vocal about their value of the cane over the dog, of > their belief that the NFB way was the only way, and of their views that > without training I would have difficulty finding a job. Well, I'm on my > second guide dog, did not rely on the NFB to chart my success, and my > salary > says my marketability is doing just fine. Some of the crazier independent > blind people I know never had anything to do with the organization. I > include this bit not to give those friendly center ambassadors the virtual > finger. Some of those ambassadors are some of my current friends, but the > point is everyone needs something to spur them onto picking up and > developing the skills needed to navigate life. Attending a training center > is going to build that motivation right into the experience. If the person > can find the motivation to go at it alone, they're going to be just fine. > After all, there is NFB philosophy at work outside of the centers. If they > need an extra boost, there's absolutely nothing wrong with taking time off. > If you're reading this and thinking you may want to go to a training > center, > do it early. The year after high school seems like the most ideal time in > your life to knock it out. The longer you wait, the harder it becomes to > accommodate the training, and then people run into the difficult but > understandable dilemma of weighing the pros and cons of going for training > versus the inevitable reality of looking for a job. That's letting life > control you. You need to control it. > > Alright, that's my twenty dollar's worth. This was in no way a personal > bash > against centers or the awesome people who have posted favorable reviews of > their experience, just a different perspective to consider in making > decisions. > > Joe > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From kaybaycar at gmail.com Fri Jun 24 00:23:07 2016 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 20:23:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Training Center Questions In-Reply-To: References: <006b01d1cda2$471e0200$d55a0600$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you kind ones for humoring me. Keep the answers coming! My next question... What is it about the NFB Training Centers that inspires such confidence in their graduates? Aleeha is not the only one who has told me that confidence is the most valuable thing learned at a center. I've seen it happen in people who are very close to me and believe its true; however, I would like to know why? Is it that centers challenge their students to push themselves further than they've ever been pushed? Is it learning under accomplished blind instructors who motivate the students? How? What? Why? :) I know that center curriculum can be individualized. That's actually one of the selling points for me. Also, although I have been encouraged to attend a center, I have never been pressured or recruited much at all. If I had, well, I don't think I would be seriously considering it. That whole stubbern thing... I get it. The point about learning things in community settings doesn't work for me though. When I'm learning a skill, I have a hard time teaching a sighted instructor how they can teach me that skill, especially if A. I don't know how to do the task in question... And, B. The instructor isn't open to learning about blindness. Maybe this speaks to my lack of confidence or my massive impatient streak. One of my beloved mentors never went to a training center. I know it is not strictly necessary for getting a job and being successful. I won't start writing about careers though... We would be here all evening... :) I definitely agree that a student at a center gets what they put into it. I suppose that is life though as well. We get out of life what we expect from ourselves. If a person feels as though a center could help them expand their good skills and success into brilliance and confidence, then maybe they should take advantage of it? I don't know... But that goes right along with my thoughts lately. Lol Reason 2,800 why you don't want to live in my head... :) Thanks friends for the discussion. On 6/23/16, Arielle Silverman via NABS-L wrote: > Hi Julie and all, > Excellent discussion. I will share my experience with a center, but > first I want to gently challenge some misconceptions about rigidity. > The centers recommend six to nine months in order to have a proper > graduation ceremony and get a bell. However, there is nothing magical > about getting a bell. I have known several individuals who attended a > center for only a month or two and still received benefit. In fact, I > think our esteemed Anil Lewis attended LCB for only a few months. I > have also known individuals, and myself had the experience of being > able to finish some classes early and then focus more on other > classes. Some students finish cooking class requirements after only > four months or so, and then double up on travel or Braille. I came > into LCB reading over 300 words a minute, so after a month of > training, I was able to negotiate with the staff to attend Braille > only once a week. I spent the other four hours per week in kitchen > where I really needed and benefited from the extra time. A good friend > of mine went to CCB for only a month crash course after his wife > passed away and he wanted to get some help with daily living skills. > He was already employed, so he took a month's leave from work and > funded his own training. My point is there are all kinds of situations > where center training can work and the centers are flexible about > working with students on meeting their goals in their own time frame. > To answer the original question, I went to LCB between undergrad and > grad school. I had thought about going during undergrad, but waited > mainly because I had a big scholarship and was worried about > complications from deferring my enrollment in school. By the time I > went to LCB, I had lived on my own successfully and had even studied > abroad in Australia. The main reason I wanted to attend the center was > to improve my street travel skills. While I could get around OK in > familiar areas or with the help of a mobility instructor, I had a lot > of trouble with unfamiliar environments and with street crossings. In > that regard LCB helped me to become a safer and more efficient > traveler. While I still get myself turned around sometimes, I am now > more tuned in to my environment and can get myself back on track a lot > more easily than I could before. I can also walk through a new route > once or twice and learn it instead of having to practice and memorize > routes over and over. While I think I would have been an OK traveler > without the center, I think the travel skills I gained made it much > easier for me to learn my way around new cities, and I am in my third > new city now since training. The other major benefit I got out of the > center, as I mentioned, was cooking skills and confidence to try new > recipes. I could cook a few things before training, but I wasn't > fluent in the kitchen and I didn't trust myself to know when things > were done for example. Now I am a lot more confident preparing new > recipes, managing my time and multitasking in the kitchen. > I do agree with Joe that if you think you may want to go to a center, > it is easier to do it when you are younger and have less adult > responsibilities. I think that all blind adults could benefit from > spending even a few weeks at an NFB center, but I also recognize that > for many of us, the incremental benefit may not be worth the sacrifice > of time or freedom. Ultimately you will have to think about whether > there are things you wish you knew how to do or that you wish you > could do better, and if you think going to a center would help move > you closer to those goals. That is a very individual decision. > I am happy to talk more about specific details off list if you want. > Best, Arielle > > On 6/23/16, Joe via NABS-L wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I have never attended a training center and do not regret it. For the >> sake >> of specificity, I'll put out there that I'm referring to the NFB training >> centers. >> >> First, there is a certain rigidity to the traditional timeframe of six to >> nine months. Yes, this speaks to a person's inability to put their life >> on >> hold the older you get, but it also touches on the program's refusal to >> offer flexibility. It's a zero sum arrangement of offering the entire >> curriculum as opposed to breaking it down to specific areas where the >> individual wants the most concentration. Is it feasible for someone to >> take >> just one class all day? Probably not, but then the training center could >> offer a minimum threshold where the student agrees to take a reduced >> course >> load, making it profitable for the center and practical for the student. >> In >> doing so one would hope the time commitment would naturally be reduced. >> >> Second, for the working adult, it's not economically feasible. Unless the >> training center student is simultaneously doing something else for >> professional development, time at the training center creates a resume >> gap. >> For a hiring manager it's interesting to read about a candidate who took >> time off to better themselves, but a story of how you spent time building >> your independence sounds more like a reflective college admissions essay. >> In >> the job market, the candidate who took the same length of time to educate >> themselves or hold down a relevant job will present a stronger case for >> employment. The training could work while simultaneously building >> professional development. There are students at LCB, for example, and >> probably the other two centers who enroll in college courses, courses >> which >> have to be paid for, but then it becomes a matter of priorities. Are you >> taking college courses for the sake of taking courses? Is your NFB >> training >> likely to suffer if you simultaneously take on the demands of another >> obligation? To a degree one could argue the NFB training experience is a >> total emersion for a reason. >> >> Of course there is the matter of paying for the NFB training itself. I >> would >> venture to guess the vast majority of training is paid for with >> government >> funds. If a person is between jobs, perhaps it makes sense to seek >> training >> since one need not worry about the income requirements to be eligible for >> certain services. If an adult is gainfully employed, are they making >> enough >> to afford training? More to the point, is the employer likely to extend >> that >> much leave for the employee to receive independent living skills? If so, >> that is one heck of an employer we should all be wanting to work for. :) >> >> Next, for me there was never a uniqueness factor. The biggest selling >> point >> for an NFB training center is the level of confidence cultivated by >> confident, and competent, blind instructors, but does one necessarily >> have >> to attend an NFB training center to find this confidence? I could teach, >> and >> actually have taught, people different skills in my local area completely >> free of charge. There are means to learn technology and cooking from any >> number of community resources, meetups and the like, and one could argue >> these training scenarios would be preferable because one would presumably >> learn these skills from fellow sighted teachers. That seems like a dual >> teaching opportunity, but if blindness-specific training is what is being >> sought, the number of instructional podcasts by blind hosts for blind >> audiences is off the charts. Braille could be learned and improved upon >> through Hadley courses, pen pals and consistent practice. >> >> The only possible exception is travel instruction. Yet, it's only a >> possible >> exception, because NFB training centers could employ field travel >> instructors who could be deployed to specific areas to provide individual >> instruction similar to what guide dog schools offer as follow-up service. >> Again, this is an innovative strategy I wish modern NFB training programs >> incorporated into their curriculums. Nevertheless, most state agencies >> offer >> instructors on contract who could fulfill travel instruction needs, many >> of >> whom have graduated from the Louisiana Tech program. >> >> Putting all that aside, what a wonderful outreach opportunity for local >> NFB >> chapters. It would kind of be like putting your money where your mouth >> is. >> I >> learned how to confidently navigate the DC Metro system with the help of >> a >> local chapter member and became loyal to that chapter for that reason >> alone. >> >> Finally, I never bought into the marketing tactics. Guide dog schools do >> something similar where they try to sell you on independence if you get >> one >> of their canines. Likewise, I personally felt like NFB training centers >> worked hard at peddling their own special independence product. With >> certain >> exceptions, you will get out of a training program, any training program, >> whatever you put into it. If the NFB training centers were selling >> something >> ground-shaking, one could argue the unemployment rate among the blind >> would >> have seen a persistent trend downward, but either the centers with the >> scores of graduates each year aren't actually independent enough to >> reverse >> the statistics or the NFB is following suspicious statistics to start. >> >> Having said that, the committed person should attend a training center if >> that is their heart's passion. There is a difference between taking >> online >> college courses and living the campus life. Perhaps the person feels they >> need the total emersion to gain something valuable, and no one should get >> in >> the way of that desire. But, do it for yourself and not because someone >> else >> said you should do it. The reasons I've outlined here stem from my own >> cynicism and sheer stubbornness. I fell into the hands of terrible >> recruiters who were vocal about their value of the cane over the dog, of >> their belief that the NFB way was the only way, and of their views that >> without training I would have difficulty finding a job. Well, I'm on my >> second guide dog, did not rely on the NFB to chart my success, and my >> salary >> says my marketability is doing just fine. Some of the crazier independent >> blind people I know never had anything to do with the organization. I >> include this bit not to give those friendly center ambassadors the >> virtual >> finger. Some of those ambassadors are some of my current friends, but the >> point is everyone needs something to spur them onto picking up and >> developing the skills needed to navigate life. Attending a training >> center >> is going to build that motivation right into the experience. If the >> person >> can find the motivation to go at it alone, they're going to be just fine. >> After all, there is NFB philosophy at work outside of the centers. If >> they >> need an extra boost, there's absolutely nothing wrong with taking time >> off. >> If you're reading this and thinking you may want to go to a training >> center, >> do it early. The year after high school seems like the most ideal time in >> your life to knock it out. The longer you wait, the harder it becomes to >> accommodate the training, and then people run into the difficult but >> understandable dilemma of weighing the pros and cons of going for >> training >> versus the inevitable reality of looking for a job. That's letting life >> control you. You need to control it. >> >> Alright, that's my twenty dollar's worth. This was in no way a personal >> bash >> against centers or the awesome people who have posted favorable reviews >> of >> their experience, just a different perspective to consider in making >> decisions. >> >> Joe >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie A. McGinnity President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division, Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri "For we walk by faith, not by sight" 2 Cor. 7 From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Jun 24 00:38:03 2016 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 20:38:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Training Center Questions In-Reply-To: References: <006b01d1cda2$471e0200$d55a0600$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Julie. I think the confidence comes mainly from the problem solving approach that the teachers use at the NFB centers. For example, in travel, the instructor never tells you if you are going the wrong way or which way you should be going. He or she will ask you questions about the sun and the traffic and other things until you figure out how to get back on track. At first this is maddening, believe me. But over time you start to ask yourself these same questions and you realize that you can figure these things out without an instructor present. For example, if I am walking around and something just doesn't feel right, in my head I will say, "Hey wait, where's the sun? It should be on my left but it's on my right, what's up with that?" This happens automatically now because the instructors trained me to pay attention to these things. There is also a lot of focus on independent lessons which builds confidence. If something goes wrong in a class, the instructors encourage you to try again until you get it right. I actually had three out of five sighted instructors while at LCB. However, because the sighted instructors taught me to solve my own problems instead of solving them for me, I was able to build confidence. In addition, all the instructors believe in the capabilities of blind people. I remember my first cooking assignment was to make scrambled eggs. Once my eggs were cooking, my instructor (sighted) left me alone in the kitchen. She then came back a few minutes later and I asked her if my eggs were done. She said "why don't you taste them?" I did, and they were done to my liking. Now I know I can figure out if my eggs are done by tasting them or using a variety of other nonvisual techniques. Before I went to LCB, I knew that blind people could do all these things, but I didn't have the practical problem solving experience to do them confidently myself. Through guidance and a lot of structured practice, I was able to build both the skills and the confidence so I don't have to go back for re-training when a new problem comes up. This is just my experience of course. Best, Arielle On 6/23/16, Julie McGinnity via NABS-L wrote: > Thank you kind ones for humoring me. Keep the answers coming! > > My next question... What is it about the NFB Training Centers that > inspires such confidence in their graduates? Aleeha is not the only > one who has told me that confidence is the most valuable thing learned > at a center. I've seen it happen in people who are very close to me > and believe its true; however, I would like to know why? Is it that > centers challenge their students to push themselves further than > they've ever been pushed? Is it learning under accomplished blind > instructors who motivate the students? How? What? Why? :) > > I know that center curriculum can be individualized. That's actually > one of the selling points for me. Also, although I have been > encouraged to attend a center, I have never been pressured or > recruited much at all. If I had, well, I don't think I would be > seriously considering it. That whole stubbern thing... I get it. > > The point about learning things in community settings doesn't work for > me though. When I'm learning a skill, I have a hard time teaching a > sighted instructor how they can teach me that skill, especially if A. > I don't know how to do the task in question... And, B. The instructor > isn't open to learning about blindness. Maybe this speaks to my lack > of confidence or my massive impatient streak. > > One of my beloved mentors never went to a training center. I know it > is not strictly necessary for getting a job and being successful. I > won't start writing about careers though... We would be here all > evening... :) > > I definitely agree that a student at a center gets what they put into > it. I suppose that is life though as well. We get out of life what > we expect from ourselves. If a person feels as though a center could > help them expand their good skills and success into brilliance and > confidence, then maybe they should take advantage of it? I don't > know... But that goes right along with my thoughts lately. Lol > Reason 2,800 why you don't want to live in my head... :) Thanks > friends for the discussion. > > > On 6/23/16, Arielle Silverman via NABS-L wrote: >> Hi Julie and all, >> Excellent discussion. I will share my experience with a center, but >> first I want to gently challenge some misconceptions about rigidity. >> The centers recommend six to nine months in order to have a proper >> graduation ceremony and get a bell. However, there is nothing magical >> about getting a bell. I have known several individuals who attended a >> center for only a month or two and still received benefit. In fact, I >> think our esteemed Anil Lewis attended LCB for only a few months. I >> have also known individuals, and myself had the experience of being >> able to finish some classes early and then focus more on other >> classes. Some students finish cooking class requirements after only >> four months or so, and then double up on travel or Braille. I came >> into LCB reading over 300 words a minute, so after a month of >> training, I was able to negotiate with the staff to attend Braille >> only once a week. I spent the other four hours per week in kitchen >> where I really needed and benefited from the extra time. A good friend >> of mine went to CCB for only a month crash course after his wife >> passed away and he wanted to get some help with daily living skills. >> He was already employed, so he took a month's leave from work and >> funded his own training. My point is there are all kinds of situations >> where center training can work and the centers are flexible about >> working with students on meeting their goals in their own time frame. >> To answer the original question, I went to LCB between undergrad and >> grad school. I had thought about going during undergrad, but waited >> mainly because I had a big scholarship and was worried about >> complications from deferring my enrollment in school. By the time I >> went to LCB, I had lived on my own successfully and had even studied >> abroad in Australia. The main reason I wanted to attend the center was >> to improve my street travel skills. While I could get around OK in >> familiar areas or with the help of a mobility instructor, I had a lot >> of trouble with unfamiliar environments and with street crossings. In >> that regard LCB helped me to become a safer and more efficient >> traveler. While I still get myself turned around sometimes, I am now >> more tuned in to my environment and can get myself back on track a lot >> more easily than I could before. I can also walk through a new route >> once or twice and learn it instead of having to practice and memorize >> routes over and over. While I think I would have been an OK traveler >> without the center, I think the travel skills I gained made it much >> easier for me to learn my way around new cities, and I am in my third >> new city now since training. The other major benefit I got out of the >> center, as I mentioned, was cooking skills and confidence to try new >> recipes. I could cook a few things before training, but I wasn't >> fluent in the kitchen and I didn't trust myself to know when things >> were done for example. Now I am a lot more confident preparing new >> recipes, managing my time and multitasking in the kitchen. >> I do agree with Joe that if you think you may want to go to a center, >> it is easier to do it when you are younger and have less adult >> responsibilities. I think that all blind adults could benefit from >> spending even a few weeks at an NFB center, but I also recognize that >> for many of us, the incremental benefit may not be worth the sacrifice >> of time or freedom. Ultimately you will have to think about whether >> there are things you wish you knew how to do or that you wish you >> could do better, and if you think going to a center would help move >> you closer to those goals. That is a very individual decision. >> I am happy to talk more about specific details off list if you want. >> Best, Arielle >> >> On 6/23/16, Joe via NABS-L wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> I have never attended a training center and do not regret it. For the >>> sake >>> of specificity, I'll put out there that I'm referring to the NFB >>> training >>> centers. >>> >>> First, there is a certain rigidity to the traditional timeframe of six >>> to >>> nine months. Yes, this speaks to a person's inability to put their life >>> on >>> hold the older you get, but it also touches on the program's refusal to >>> offer flexibility. It's a zero sum arrangement of offering the entire >>> curriculum as opposed to breaking it down to specific areas where the >>> individual wants the most concentration. Is it feasible for someone to >>> take >>> just one class all day? Probably not, but then the training center could >>> offer a minimum threshold where the student agrees to take a reduced >>> course >>> load, making it profitable for the center and practical for the student. >>> In >>> doing so one would hope the time commitment would naturally be reduced. >>> >>> Second, for the working adult, it's not economically feasible. Unless >>> the >>> training center student is simultaneously doing something else for >>> professional development, time at the training center creates a resume >>> gap. >>> For a hiring manager it's interesting to read about a candidate who took >>> time off to better themselves, but a story of how you spent time >>> building >>> your independence sounds more like a reflective college admissions >>> essay. >>> In >>> the job market, the candidate who took the same length of time to >>> educate >>> themselves or hold down a relevant job will present a stronger case for >>> employment. The training could work while simultaneously building >>> professional development. There are students at LCB, for example, and >>> probably the other two centers who enroll in college courses, courses >>> which >>> have to be paid for, but then it becomes a matter of priorities. Are you >>> taking college courses for the sake of taking courses? Is your NFB >>> training >>> likely to suffer if you simultaneously take on the demands of another >>> obligation? To a degree one could argue the NFB training experience is a >>> total emersion for a reason. >>> >>> Of course there is the matter of paying for the NFB training itself. I >>> would >>> venture to guess the vast majority of training is paid for with >>> government >>> funds. If a person is between jobs, perhaps it makes sense to seek >>> training >>> since one need not worry about the income requirements to be eligible >>> for >>> certain services. If an adult is gainfully employed, are they making >>> enough >>> to afford training? More to the point, is the employer likely to extend >>> that >>> much leave for the employee to receive independent living skills? If so, >>> that is one heck of an employer we should all be wanting to work for. :) >>> >>> Next, for me there was never a uniqueness factor. The biggest selling >>> point >>> for an NFB training center is the level of confidence cultivated by >>> confident, and competent, blind instructors, but does one necessarily >>> have >>> to attend an NFB training center to find this confidence? I could teach, >>> and >>> actually have taught, people different skills in my local area >>> completely >>> free of charge. There are means to learn technology and cooking from any >>> number of community resources, meetups and the like, and one could argue >>> these training scenarios would be preferable because one would >>> presumably >>> learn these skills from fellow sighted teachers. That seems like a dual >>> teaching opportunity, but if blindness-specific training is what is >>> being >>> sought, the number of instructional podcasts by blind hosts for blind >>> audiences is off the charts. Braille could be learned and improved upon >>> through Hadley courses, pen pals and consistent practice. >>> >>> The only possible exception is travel instruction. Yet, it's only a >>> possible >>> exception, because NFB training centers could employ field travel >>> instructors who could be deployed to specific areas to provide >>> individual >>> instruction similar to what guide dog schools offer as follow-up >>> service. >>> Again, this is an innovative strategy I wish modern NFB training >>> programs >>> incorporated into their curriculums. Nevertheless, most state agencies >>> offer >>> instructors on contract who could fulfill travel instruction needs, many >>> of >>> whom have graduated from the Louisiana Tech program. >>> >>> Putting all that aside, what a wonderful outreach opportunity for local >>> NFB >>> chapters. It would kind of be like putting your money where your mouth >>> is. >>> I >>> learned how to confidently navigate the DC Metro system with the help of >>> a >>> local chapter member and became loyal to that chapter for that reason >>> alone. >>> >>> Finally, I never bought into the marketing tactics. Guide dog schools do >>> something similar where they try to sell you on independence if you get >>> one >>> of their canines. Likewise, I personally felt like NFB training centers >>> worked hard at peddling their own special independence product. With >>> certain >>> exceptions, you will get out of a training program, any training >>> program, >>> whatever you put into it. If the NFB training centers were selling >>> something >>> ground-shaking, one could argue the unemployment rate among the blind >>> would >>> have seen a persistent trend downward, but either the centers with the >>> scores of graduates each year aren't actually independent enough to >>> reverse >>> the statistics or the NFB is following suspicious statistics to start. >>> >>> Having said that, the committed person should attend a training center >>> if >>> that is their heart's passion. There is a difference between taking >>> online >>> college courses and living the campus life. Perhaps the person feels >>> they >>> need the total emersion to gain something valuable, and no one should >>> get >>> in >>> the way of that desire. But, do it for yourself and not because someone >>> else >>> said you should do it. The reasons I've outlined here stem from my own >>> cynicism and sheer stubbornness. I fell into the hands of terrible >>> recruiters who were vocal about their value of the cane over the dog, of >>> their belief that the NFB way was the only way, and of their views that >>> without training I would have difficulty finding a job. Well, I'm on my >>> second guide dog, did not rely on the NFB to chart my success, and my >>> salary >>> says my marketability is doing just fine. Some of the crazier >>> independent >>> blind people I know never had anything to do with the organization. I >>> include this bit not to give those friendly center ambassadors the >>> virtual >>> finger. Some of those ambassadors are some of my current friends, but >>> the >>> point is everyone needs something to spur them onto picking up and >>> developing the skills needed to navigate life. Attending a training >>> center >>> is going to build that motivation right into the experience. If the >>> person >>> can find the motivation to go at it alone, they're going to be just >>> fine. >>> After all, there is NFB philosophy at work outside of the centers. If >>> they >>> need an extra boost, there's absolutely nothing wrong with taking time >>> off. >>> If you're reading this and thinking you may want to go to a training >>> center, >>> do it early. The year after high school seems like the most ideal time >>> in >>> your life to knock it out. The longer you wait, the harder it becomes to >>> accommodate the training, and then people run into the difficult but >>> understandable dilemma of weighing the pros and cons of going for >>> training >>> versus the inevitable reality of looking for a job. That's letting life >>> control you. You need to control it. >>> >>> Alright, that's my twenty dollar's worth. This was in no way a personal >>> bash >>> against centers or the awesome people who have posted favorable reviews >>> of >>> their experience, just a different perspective to consider in making >>> decisions. >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Julie A. McGinnity > President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division, > Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri > "For we walk by faith, not by sight" > 2 Cor. 7 > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From jab2bs at mtmail.mtsu.edu Fri Jun 24 01:46:11 2016 From: jab2bs at mtmail.mtsu.edu (James Alan Boehm) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 01:46:11 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Special Donation Drive at National Convention-You Cane Give Program Message-ID: <4430AA21-FE1F-4A9B-BA6F-C2835543696A@mtmail.mtsu.edu> Wondering what to do with that old cane you no longer use in the closet? Is that drawer of used canes collecting dust and taking up space? Donate your old canes to our new “You Cane Give” program. Kustom Cane is collecting donated canes to refurbish and send to individuals who are blind and visually impaired around the world. Let’s face it, we have it good here in our country. With the click of a button, we can order almost anything we need, including a cane. In countries like Mexico, China, India, and the African continent, people do not have access to the proper tools to empower independence and success. Do not let your canes go to waste! “You Cane Give” allows you to help us give your used cane to a person far away who needs it! Kustom Cane will give you a $15 credit towards the purchase of a cane or accessories if you donate a cane to “You Cane Give.” Also, as an added incentive, if you donate your cane or ship it to us by July 6, 2016, we will enter your name in a drawing to win a special gift from Kustom Cane, valued at $35. Kustom Cane will be at the Tennessee affiliate table - A34. For more information, contact James Boehm at kustomcane at gmail.com or at 901-483-1515. Make a difference… Donate a cane today! Best, James Boehm 901-483-1515 kustomcane at gmail.com James Alan Boehm Contact Information: Phone: 901-483-1515 Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com NFB Email: secretary at nfb-tn.org Kustom Cane: kustomcane at gmail.com Blindness never limits-low expectations do! Live the life you want! From annajee82 at gmail.com Fri Jun 24 01:52:25 2016 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 19:52:25 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] IPad Message-ID: Excuse me if this is a ridiculous question, but i am everything but a technology genius. If you get an iPad, other than the initial purchase of the device and whatever apps you put on it, what other costs are there? You could use wi-fi when available, but do people buy data? How does that work? How can people text from their iPad, or do facetime? Do u have to pay like a phone bill for it? If someone could explain what charges are involved in owning an iPad, that'd be helpful. Thanks, Anna E Givens From annajee82 at gmail.com Fri Jun 24 01:56:11 2016 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 19:56:11 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Special Donation Drive at National Convention-You Cane Give Program In-Reply-To: <4430AA21-FE1F-4A9B-BA6F-C2835543696A@mtmail.mtsu.edu> References: <4430AA21-FE1F-4A9B-BA6F-C2835543696A@mtmail.mtsu.edu> Message-ID: <31BC374D-FABF-4968-8B01-9E6D3107CEF5@gmail.com> How "new" does the cane have to be? Anna E Givens > On Jun 23, 2016, at 7:46 PM, James Alan Boehm via NABS-L wrote: > > Wondering what to do with that old cane you no longer use in the closet? Is that drawer of used canes collecting dust and taking up space? Donate your old canes to our new “You Cane Give” program. Kustom Cane is collecting donated canes to refurbish and send to individuals who are blind and visually impaired around the world. Let’s face it, we have it good here in our country. With the click of a button, we can order almost anything we need, including a cane. In countries like Mexico, China, India, and the African continent, people do not have access to the proper tools to empower independence and success. Do not let your canes go to waste! “You Cane Give” allows you to help us give your used cane to a person far away who needs it! Kustom Cane will give you a $15 credit towards the purchase of a cane or accessories if you donate a cane to “You Cane Give.” Also, as an added incentive, if you donate your cane or ship it to us by July 6, 2016, we will enter your name in a drawing to win a special gift from Kustom Cane, valued at $35. Kustom Cane will be at the Tennessee affiliate table - A34. For more information, contact James Boehm at kustomcane at gmail.com or at 901-483-1515. Make a difference… Donate a cane today! > Best, > James Boehm > 901-483-1515 > kustomcane at gmail.com > James Alan Boehm > Contact Information: > Phone: 901-483-1515 > Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com > NFB Email: secretary at nfb-tn.org > Kustom Cane: kustomcane at gmail.com > > Blindness never limits-low expectations do! Live the life you want! > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com Fri Jun 24 01:59:43 2016 From: chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com (chelsea peahl) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 01:59:43 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] IPad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You can buy an iPad that does have cellular data, but honestly, having just wifi is just fine. You can iMessage and FaceTime over wifi. The only costs are over what you choose to put on it. Chelsea Peahl > On Jun 23, 2016, at 7:53 PM, Anna via NABS-L wrote: > > Excuse me if this is a ridiculous question, but i am everything but a technology genius. > If you get an iPad, other than the initial purchase of the device and whatever apps you put on it, what other costs are there? You could use wi-fi when available, but do people buy data? How does that work? How can people text from their iPad, or do facetime? Do u have to pay like a phone bill for it? If someone could explain what charges are involved in owning an iPad, that'd be helpful. > > Thanks, > > Anna E Givens > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelsea.peahl%40hotmail.com From david.thomas at davidthetechguy.com Fri Jun 24 02:00:09 2016 From: david.thomas at davidthetechguy.com (David Thomas) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 21:00:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] IPad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, You have two options when buying an iPad. Option1: Wi-Fi only This model will only connect to Wi-Fi networks just like your typical laptop computer. You can iMessage and Facetime with this model using your email address. Wi-Fi plus cellular model: This model has the ability to connect to cellular networks around the world. If you have a shared data plan through the big 4 networks you can add the iPad on as a line for about $15, and use the bucket of data in the plan. You can also use this model to iMessage and facetime using your email address. If you require anymore assistance you can email me off the list if you desire. Regards David Thomas -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 8:52 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com Subject: [nabs-l] IPad Excuse me if this is a ridiculous question, but i am everything but a technology genius. If you get an iPad, other than the initial purchase of the device and whatever apps you put on it, what other costs are there? You could use wi-fi when available, but do people buy data? How does that work? How can people text from their iPad, or do facetime? Do u have to pay like a phone bill for it? If someone could explain what charges are involved in owning an iPad, that'd be helpful. Thanks, Anna E Givens _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/david.thomas%40davidth etechguy.com From jfranks at nfbtx.org Fri Jun 24 02:52:27 2016 From: jfranks at nfbtx.org (Jonathan Franks) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 21:52:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Microsoft Word question Message-ID: Greetings Nabs, I am using Microsoft Word 2010 and have ran into a annoying issue. Somehow I activated an option where it reads out " Space marker" and "paragraph mark" as jaws reads it aloud. Does anyone know how I may deactivate that option? Typically it did not bother me, but as I read out what I have written, it reads out "space marker" after each word I have typed. I appreciate your assistance Jonathan Franks BSW Board Member National Federation of the Blind of Texas Treasurer Texas Association of Blind Students -- The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. From jab2bs at mtmail.mtsu.edu Fri Jun 24 02:56:44 2016 From: jab2bs at mtmail.mtsu.edu (James Alan Boehm) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 02:56:44 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Special Donation Drive at National Convention-You Cane Give Program In-Reply-To: <31BC374D-FABF-4968-8B01-9E6D3107CEF5@gmail.com> References: <4430AA21-FE1F-4A9B-BA6F-C2835543696A@mtmail.mtsu.edu>, <31BC374D-FABF-4968-8B01-9E6D3107CEF5@gmail.com> Message-ID: Good day. Thank you for your interest. The cane should be in good condition. Any cans that are nicked up and scratched we will refurbish with new white material. We just do not want canes that are broken or the tip missing or the elastic broke good question. James Alan Boehm Phone: 901-483-1515 Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com Refer NFB correspondences to: secretary at nfb-tn.org "Blindness never limits- Low expectations do! Live the life you want!" > On Jun 23, 2016, at 8:56 PM, "annajee82 at gmail.com" wrote: > > How "new" does the cane have to be? > > > Anna E Givens > > >> On Jun 23, 2016, at 7:46 PM, James Alan Boehm via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Wondering what to do with that old cane you no longer use in the closet? Is that drawer of used canes collecting dust and taking up space? Donate your old canes to our new “You Cane Give” program. Kustom Cane is collecting donated canes to refurbish and send to individuals who are blind and visually impaired around the world. Let’s face it, we have it good here in our country. With the click of a button, we can order almost anything we need, including a cane. In countries like Mexico, China, India, and the African continent, people do not have access to the proper tools to empower independence and success. Do not let your canes go to waste! “You Cane Give” allows you to help us give your used cane to a person far away who needs it! Kustom Cane will give you a $15 credit towards the purchase of a cane or accessories if you donate a cane to “You Cane Give.” Also, as an added incentive, if you donate your cane or ship it to us by July 6, 2016, we will enter your name in a drawing to win a special gift from Kustom Cane, valued at $35. Kustom Cane will be at the Tennessee affiliate table - A34. For more information, contact James Boehm at kustomcane at gmail.com or at 901-483-1515. Make a difference… Donate a cane today! >> Best, >> James Boehm >> 901-483-1515 >> kustomcane at gmail.com >> James Alan Boehm >> Contact Information: >> Phone: 901-483-1515 >> Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com >> NFB Email: secretary at nfb-tn.org >> Kustom Cane: kustomcane at gmail.com >> >> Blindness never limits-low expectations do! Live the life you want! >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Jun 23 09:10:32 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 05:10:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Microsoft Word question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <008801d1cd2f$18ca1970$4a5e4c50$@gmail.com> Hit alt f, then t for options. Arrow down until you here display. Tab over until you see uncheck paragraph markers and uncheck it with spacebar. Then hit enter. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Franks via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 10:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Jonathan Franks Subject: [nabs-l] Microsoft Word question Greetings Nabs, I am using Microsoft Word 2010 and have ran into a annoying issue. Somehow I activated an option where it reads out " Space marker" and "paragraph mark" as jaws reads it aloud. Does anyone know how I may deactivate that option? Typically it did not bother me, but as I read out what I have written, it reads out "space marker" after each word I have typed. I appreciate your assistance Jonathan Franks BSW Board Member National Federation of the Blind of Texas Treasurer Texas Association of Blind Students -- The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Fri Jun 24 13:14:15 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 09:14:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] IPad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9EEB6303-36C3-478C-9E6B-FB90FAAA8CE8@gmail.com> Hi you can use your email address for FaceTime. Sent from my iPad > On Jun 23, 2016, at 9:52 PM, Anna via NABS-L wrote: > > Excuse me if this is a ridiculous question, but i am everything but a technology genius. > If you get an iPad, other than the initial purchase of the device and whatever apps you put on it, what other costs are there? You could use wi-fi when available, but do people buy data? How does that work? How can people text from their iPad, or do facetime? Do u have to pay like a phone bill for it? If someone could explain what charges are involved in owning an iPad, that'd be helpful. > > Thanks, > > Anna E Givens > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com From jfranks at nfbtx.org Fri Jun 24 14:16:50 2016 From: jfranks at nfbtx.org (Jonathan Franks) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 09:16:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Microsoft Word question In-Reply-To: <008801d1cd2f$18ca1970$4a5e4c50$@gmail.com> References: <008801d1cd2f$18ca1970$4a5e4c50$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4FA91186-A46B-4D4C-9065-A022EF140B9E@nfbtx.org> Great, Thank you. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 23, 2016, at 4:10 AM, justin via NABS-L wrote: > > Hit alt f, then t for options. Arrow down until you here display. Tab > over until you see uncheck paragraph markers and uncheck it with spacebar. > Then hit enter. > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Franks > via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 10:52 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Jonathan Franks > Subject: [nabs-l] Microsoft Word question > > Greetings Nabs, > I am using Microsoft Word 2010 and have ran into a annoying issue. > Somehow I activated an option where it reads out " Space marker" and > "paragraph mark" as jaws reads it aloud. > > Does anyone know how I may deactivate that option? > > Typically it did not bother me, but as I read out what I have written, it > reads out "space marker" after each word I have typed. > > I appreciate your assistance > > Jonathan Franks BSW > Board Member > National Federation of the Blind of Texas Treasurer Texas Association of > Blind Students > > -- > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the > characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the > expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles > between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; > blindness is not what holds you back. > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jfranks%40nfbtx.org From kidbrailler at aol.com Fri Jun 24 16:06:45 2016 From: kidbrailler at aol.com (Alonza Harris) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 12:06:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Microsoft Word question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Jonathan, hope you are well. To deactivate the option you are speaking of, you have to click the show/hide button in the paragraph group on the home tab. To find this button quickly, use the key sequence alt+h, then press the number 8. If you have any questions, or need further assistance, don't hesitate to email me off list at: kidbrailler at aol.com. Sincerely Alonza. > On Jun 23, 2016, at 10:52 PM, Jonathan Franks via NABS-L wrote: > > Greetings Nabs, > I am using Microsoft Word 2010 and have ran into a annoying issue. > Somehow I activated an option where it reads out " Space marker" and > "paragraph mark" as jaws reads it aloud. > > Does anyone know how I may deactivate that option? > > Typically it did not bother me, but as I read out what I have written, > it reads out "space marker" after each word I have typed. > > I appreciate your assistance > > Jonathan Franks BSW > Board Member > National Federation of the Blind of Texas > Treasurer > Texas Association of Blind Students > > -- > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the > characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the > expectations of blind people, because low expectations create > obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life > you want; blindness is not what holds you back. > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kidbrailler%40aol.com From jsoro620 at gmail.com Fri Jun 24 17:00:12 2016 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 13:00:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Personal Finance and the Shawshank Redemption Message-ID: <00d401d1ce39$df9bea50$9ed3bef0$@gmail.com> Hello list, The other discussion on training centers made me think this would be a good article worth sharing. All of us, blind or not, hit points in our lives where we have to make key decisions to maintain our self-sufficiency. I would argue that as blind people we have to be especially keen to make ourselves valuable to overcome misconceptions of blindness and the perceived challenges that come with it. Anyway, I hope some of you find it a good read: Personal Finance and the Shawshank Redemption http://www.thesimpledollar.com/personal-finance-and-the-shawshank-redemption / Joe -- Musings of a Work in Progress: www.JoeOrozco.com/ Twitter: @ScribblingJoe From chris.omeally at gmail.com Fri Jun 24 17:52:00 2016 From: chris.omeally at gmail.com (Christopher O'meally) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 13:52:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] IPad In-Reply-To: <9EEB6303-36C3-478C-9E6B-FB90FAAA8CE8@gmail.com> References: <9EEB6303-36C3-478C-9E6B-FB90FAAA8CE8@gmail.com> Message-ID: well here is the deal. the iPad comes in two varients, the wifi only witch you don't have to pay anything extra for, and the sell model. The latter you need to add to your phone plan. Depending on your plan its not that much extra. Let me give you an example. I have a 12 gig data plan right now. If I added my ipad to it, it is seen as a smart device instead of a phone, so I would have to pay maybe 10 dollars extra a month for the connection to the network, but other than that, it just uses the data I already have on my plan. So unless you do not need any extra data that's all you have to worry about with the phone company. I will mention that the sell models tipicly cost a bit extra, like 100 dollars ball park I think. I am at work right now or I would look, but I am responding to this email in passing. As far as phone calls, facetime and messaging, all of those features are built in. If you buy a wifi only iPad, you can do all of these things over wifi, or you can use the hot spot on your phone to share the data connection. All of those things can be inabled in settings. Feel free to contact me off list for any other information. Happy Hunting! On 6/24/16, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L wrote: > Hi you can use your email address for FaceTime. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Jun 23, 2016, at 9:52 PM, Anna via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Excuse me if this is a ridiculous question, but i am everything but a >> technology genius. >> If you get an iPad, other than the initial purchase of the device and >> whatever apps you put on it, what other costs are there? You could use >> wi-fi when available, but do people buy data? How does that work? How can >> people text from their iPad, or do facetime? Do u have to pay like a phone >> bill for it? If someone could explain what charges are involved in owning >> an iPad, that'd be helpful. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Anna E Givens >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chris.omeally%40gmail.com > From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Fri Jun 24 19:30:37 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 15:30:37 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Personal Finance and the Shawshank Redemption In-Reply-To: <00d401d1ce39$df9bea50$9ed3bef0$@gmail.com> References: <00d401d1ce39$df9bea50$9ed3bef0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I really like that this article thanks for sharing Sent from my iPad > On Jun 24, 2016, at 1:00 PM, Joe via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello list, > > The other discussion on training centers made me think this would be a good > article worth sharing. All of us, blind or not, hit points in our lives > where we have to make key decisions to maintain our self-sufficiency. I > would argue that as blind people we have to be especially keen to make > ourselves valuable to overcome misconceptions of blindness and the perceived > challenges that come with it. Anyway, I hope some of you find it a good > read: > > Personal Finance and the Shawshank Redemption > > http://www.thesimpledollar.com/personal-finance-and-the-shawshank-redemption > / > > Joe > > -- > Musings of a Work in Progress: > www.JoeOrozco.com/ > > Twitter: @ScribblingJoe > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com From alpineimagination at gmail.com Sat Jun 25 00:10:33 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 17:10:33 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] A Couple of Accessibility Questions Message-ID: <576dcc25.c51a620a.78526.742e@mx.google.com> Hi All, I just had a two-day freshman orientation at my school, and had a couple of questions about accessing some of the material that was put up. First, has anyone ever used a web site called Prezi to either read or create Power-Point presentations? A PowerPoint that was used was from Prezi, and when I clicked on the link, it did not take me directly to the PowerPoint, nor could I find a way to open it. The second question I have deals with size limit on Gmail. An email I received contained a text document that said that the file was too large and could not be converted, and said "maximum size 10 MB." I thought that a Gmail account lets you have 15 gigabytes of information, and mine isn't full enough for that. I'm guessing it's a Gmail setting about size limit. Thanks, Vejas From jab2bs at mtmail.mtsu.edu Sat Jun 25 01:18:44 2016 From: jab2bs at mtmail.mtsu.edu (James Alan Boehm) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 01:18:44 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Training Center Questions In-Reply-To: References: <006b01d1cda2$471e0200$d55a0600$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <03CF8567-693B-4E16-B5ED-149B80DCAEBD@mtmail.mtsu.edu> I think that was a great way of explaining the difference! Great clear explanation! James Alan Boehm Contact Information: Phone: 901-483-1515 Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com NFB Email: secretary at nfb-tn.org Kustom Cane: kustomcane at gmail.com Blindness never limits-low expectations do! Live the life you want! > On Jun 23, 2016, at 7:38 PM, Arielle Silverman via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Julie. I think the confidence comes mainly from the problem solving > approach that the teachers use at the NFB centers. For example, in > travel, the instructor never tells you if you are going the wrong way > or which way you should be going. He or she will ask you questions > about the sun and the traffic and other things until you figure out > how to get back on track. At first this is maddening, believe me. But > over time you start to ask yourself these same questions and you > realize that you can figure these things out without an instructor > present. For example, if I am walking around and something just > doesn't feel right, in my head I will say, "Hey wait, where's the sun? > It should be on my left but it's on my right, what's up with that?" > This happens automatically now because the instructors trained me to > pay attention to these things. There is also a lot of focus on > independent lessons which builds confidence. If something goes wrong > in a class, the instructors encourage you to try again until you get > it right. > I actually had three out of five sighted instructors while at LCB. > However, because the sighted instructors taught me to solve my own > problems instead of solving them for me, I was able to build > confidence. In addition, all the instructors believe in the > capabilities of blind people. > I remember my first cooking assignment was to make scrambled eggs. > Once my eggs were cooking, my instructor (sighted) left me alone in > the kitchen. She then came back a few minutes later and I asked her if > my eggs were done. She said "why don't you taste them?" I did, and > they were done to my liking. Now I know I can figure out if my eggs > are done by tasting them or using a variety of other nonvisual > techniques. > Before I went to LCB, I knew that blind people could do all these > things, but I didn't have the practical problem solving experience to > do them confidently myself. Through guidance and a lot of structured > practice, I was able to build both the skills and the confidence so I > don't have to go back for re-training when a new problem comes up. > This is just my experience of course. > Best, Arielle > > On 6/23/16, Julie McGinnity via NABS-L wrote: >> Thank you kind ones for humoring me. Keep the answers coming! >> >> My next question... What is it about the NFB Training Centers that >> inspires such confidence in their graduates? Aleeha is not the only >> one who has told me that confidence is the most valuable thing learned >> at a center. I've seen it happen in people who are very close to me >> and believe its true; however, I would like to know why? Is it that >> centers challenge their students to push themselves further than >> they've ever been pushed? Is it learning under accomplished blind >> instructors who motivate the students? How? What? Why? :) >> >> I know that center curriculum can be individualized. That's actually >> one of the selling points for me. Also, although I have been >> encouraged to attend a center, I have never been pressured or >> recruited much at all. If I had, well, I don't think I would be >> seriously considering it. That whole stubbern thing... I get it. >> >> The point about learning things in community settings doesn't work for >> me though. When I'm learning a skill, I have a hard time teaching a >> sighted instructor how they can teach me that skill, especially if A. >> I don't know how to do the task in question... And, B. The instructor >> isn't open to learning about blindness. Maybe this speaks to my lack >> of confidence or my massive impatient streak. >> >> One of my beloved mentors never went to a training center. I know it >> is not strictly necessary for getting a job and being successful. I >> won't start writing about careers though... We would be here all >> evening... :) >> >> I definitely agree that a student at a center gets what they put into >> it. I suppose that is life though as well. We get out of life what >> we expect from ourselves. If a person feels as though a center could >> help them expand their good skills and success into brilliance and >> confidence, then maybe they should take advantage of it? I don't >> know... But that goes right along with my thoughts lately. Lol >> Reason 2,800 why you don't want to live in my head... :) Thanks >> friends for the discussion. >> >> >> On 6/23/16, Arielle Silverman via NABS-L wrote: >>> Hi Julie and all, >>> Excellent discussion. I will share my experience with a center, but >>> first I want to gently challenge some misconceptions about rigidity. >>> The centers recommend six to nine months in order to have a proper >>> graduation ceremony and get a bell. However, there is nothing magical >>> about getting a bell. I have known several individuals who attended a >>> center for only a month or two and still received benefit. In fact, I >>> think our esteemed Anil Lewis attended LCB for only a few months. I >>> have also known individuals, and myself had the experience of being >>> able to finish some classes early and then focus more on other >>> classes. Some students finish cooking class requirements after only >>> four months or so, and then double up on travel or Braille. I came >>> into LCB reading over 300 words a minute, so after a month of >>> training, I was able to negotiate with the staff to attend Braille >>> only once a week. I spent the other four hours per week in kitchen >>> where I really needed and benefited from the extra time. A good friend >>> of mine went to CCB for only a month crash course after his wife >>> passed away and he wanted to get some help with daily living skills. >>> He was already employed, so he took a month's leave from work and >>> funded his own training. My point is there are all kinds of situations >>> where center training can work and the centers are flexible about >>> working with students on meeting their goals in their own time frame. >>> To answer the original question, I went to LCB between undergrad and >>> grad school. I had thought about going during undergrad, but waited >>> mainly because I had a big scholarship and was worried about >>> complications from deferring my enrollment in school. By the time I >>> went to LCB, I had lived on my own successfully and had even studied >>> abroad in Australia. The main reason I wanted to attend the center was >>> to improve my street travel skills. While I could get around OK in >>> familiar areas or with the help of a mobility instructor, I had a lot >>> of trouble with unfamiliar environments and with street crossings. In >>> that regard LCB helped me to become a safer and more efficient >>> traveler. While I still get myself turned around sometimes, I am now >>> more tuned in to my environment and can get myself back on track a lot >>> more easily than I could before. I can also walk through a new route >>> once or twice and learn it instead of having to practice and memorize >>> routes over and over. While I think I would have been an OK traveler >>> without the center, I think the travel skills I gained made it much >>> easier for me to learn my way around new cities, and I am in my third >>> new city now since training. The other major benefit I got out of the >>> center, as I mentioned, was cooking skills and confidence to try new >>> recipes. I could cook a few things before training, but I wasn't >>> fluent in the kitchen and I didn't trust myself to know when things >>> were done for example. Now I am a lot more confident preparing new >>> recipes, managing my time and multitasking in the kitchen. >>> I do agree with Joe that if you think you may want to go to a center, >>> it is easier to do it when you are younger and have less adult >>> responsibilities. I think that all blind adults could benefit from >>> spending even a few weeks at an NFB center, but I also recognize that >>> for many of us, the incremental benefit may not be worth the sacrifice >>> of time or freedom. Ultimately you will have to think about whether >>> there are things you wish you knew how to do or that you wish you >>> could do better, and if you think going to a center would help move >>> you closer to those goals. That is a very individual decision. >>> I am happy to talk more about specific details off list if you want. >>> Best, Arielle >>> >>> On 6/23/16, Joe via NABS-L wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I have never attended a training center and do not regret it. For the >>>> sake >>>> of specificity, I'll put out there that I'm referring to the NFB >>>> training >>>> centers. >>>> >>>> First, there is a certain rigidity to the traditional timeframe of six >>>> to >>>> nine months. Yes, this speaks to a person's inability to put their life >>>> on >>>> hold the older you get, but it also touches on the program's refusal to >>>> offer flexibility. It's a zero sum arrangement of offering the entire >>>> curriculum as opposed to breaking it down to specific areas where the >>>> individual wants the most concentration. Is it feasible for someone to >>>> take >>>> just one class all day? Probably not, but then the training center could >>>> offer a minimum threshold where the student agrees to take a reduced >>>> course >>>> load, making it profitable for the center and practical for the student. >>>> In >>>> doing so one would hope the time commitment would naturally be reduced. >>>> >>>> Second, for the working adult, it's not economically feasible. Unless >>>> the >>>> training center student is simultaneously doing something else for >>>> professional development, time at the training center creates a resume >>>> gap. >>>> For a hiring manager it's interesting to read about a candidate who took >>>> time off to better themselves, but a story of how you spent time >>>> building >>>> your independence sounds more like a reflective college admissions >>>> essay. >>>> In >>>> the job market, the candidate who took the same length of time to >>>> educate >>>> themselves or hold down a relevant job will present a stronger case for >>>> employment. The training could work while simultaneously building >>>> professional development. There are students at LCB, for example, and >>>> probably the other two centers who enroll in college courses, courses >>>> which >>>> have to be paid for, but then it becomes a matter of priorities. Are you >>>> taking college courses for the sake of taking courses? Is your NFB >>>> training >>>> likely to suffer if you simultaneously take on the demands of another >>>> obligation? To a degree one could argue the NFB training experience is a >>>> total emersion for a reason. >>>> >>>> Of course there is the matter of paying for the NFB training itself. I >>>> would >>>> venture to guess the vast majority of training is paid for with >>>> government >>>> funds. If a person is between jobs, perhaps it makes sense to seek >>>> training >>>> since one need not worry about the income requirements to be eligible >>>> for >>>> certain services. If an adult is gainfully employed, are they making >>>> enough >>>> to afford training? More to the point, is the employer likely to extend >>>> that >>>> much leave for the employee to receive independent living skills? If so, >>>> that is one heck of an employer we should all be wanting to work for. :) >>>> >>>> Next, for me there was never a uniqueness factor. The biggest selling >>>> point >>>> for an NFB training center is the level of confidence cultivated by >>>> confident, and competent, blind instructors, but does one necessarily >>>> have >>>> to attend an NFB training center to find this confidence? I could teach, >>>> and >>>> actually have taught, people different skills in my local area >>>> completely >>>> free of charge. There are means to learn technology and cooking from any >>>> number of community resources, meetups and the like, and one could argue >>>> these training scenarios would be preferable because one would >>>> presumably >>>> learn these skills from fellow sighted teachers. That seems like a dual >>>> teaching opportunity, but if blindness-specific training is what is >>>> being >>>> sought, the number of instructional podcasts by blind hosts for blind >>>> audiences is off the charts. Braille could be learned and improved upon >>>> through Hadley courses, pen pals and consistent practice. >>>> >>>> The only possible exception is travel instruction. Yet, it's only a >>>> possible >>>> exception, because NFB training centers could employ field travel >>>> instructors who could be deployed to specific areas to provide >>>> individual >>>> instruction similar to what guide dog schools offer as follow-up >>>> service. >>>> Again, this is an innovative strategy I wish modern NFB training >>>> programs >>>> incorporated into their curriculums. Nevertheless, most state agencies >>>> offer >>>> instructors on contract who could fulfill travel instruction needs, many >>>> of >>>> whom have graduated from the Louisiana Tech program. >>>> >>>> Putting all that aside, what a wonderful outreach opportunity for local >>>> NFB >>>> chapters. It would kind of be like putting your money where your mouth >>>> is. >>>> I >>>> learned how to confidently navigate the DC Metro system with the help of >>>> a >>>> local chapter member and became loyal to that chapter for that reason >>>> alone. >>>> >>>> Finally, I never bought into the marketing tactics. Guide dog schools do >>>> something similar where they try to sell you on independence if you get >>>> one >>>> of their canines. Likewise, I personally felt like NFB training centers >>>> worked hard at peddling their own special independence product. With >>>> certain >>>> exceptions, you will get out of a training program, any training >>>> program, >>>> whatever you put into it. If the NFB training centers were selling >>>> something >>>> ground-shaking, one could argue the unemployment rate among the blind >>>> would >>>> have seen a persistent trend downward, but either the centers with the >>>> scores of graduates each year aren't actually independent enough to >>>> reverse >>>> the statistics or the NFB is following suspicious statistics to start. >>>> >>>> Having said that, the committed person should attend a training center >>>> if >>>> that is their heart's passion. There is a difference between taking >>>> online >>>> college courses and living the campus life. Perhaps the person feels >>>> they >>>> need the total emersion to gain something valuable, and no one should >>>> get >>>> in >>>> the way of that desire. But, do it for yourself and not because someone >>>> else >>>> said you should do it. The reasons I've outlined here stem from my own >>>> cynicism and sheer stubbornness. I fell into the hands of terrible >>>> recruiters who were vocal about their value of the cane over the dog, of >>>> their belief that the NFB way was the only way, and of their views that >>>> without training I would have difficulty finding a job. Well, I'm on my >>>> second guide dog, did not rely on the NFB to chart my success, and my >>>> salary >>>> says my marketability is doing just fine. Some of the crazier >>>> independent >>>> blind people I know never had anything to do with the organization. I >>>> include this bit not to give those friendly center ambassadors the >>>> virtual >>>> finger. Some of those ambassadors are some of my current friends, but >>>> the >>>> point is everyone needs something to spur them onto picking up and >>>> developing the skills needed to navigate life. Attending a training >>>> center >>>> is going to build that motivation right into the experience. If the >>>> person >>>> can find the motivation to go at it alone, they're going to be just >>>> fine. >>>> After all, there is NFB philosophy at work outside of the centers. If >>>> they >>>> need an extra boost, there's absolutely nothing wrong with taking time >>>> off. >>>> If you're reading this and thinking you may want to go to a training >>>> center, >>>> do it early. The year after high school seems like the most ideal time >>>> in >>>> your life to knock it out. The longer you wait, the harder it becomes to >>>> accommodate the training, and then people run into the difficult but >>>> understandable dilemma of weighing the pros and cons of going for >>>> training >>>> versus the inevitable reality of looking for a job. That's letting life >>>> control you. You need to control it. >>>> >>>> Alright, that's my twenty dollar's worth. This was in no way a personal >>>> bash >>>> against centers or the awesome people who have posted favorable reviews >>>> of >>>> their experience, just a different perspective to consider in making >>>> decisions. >>>> >>>> Joe >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Julie A. McGinnity >> President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division, >> Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri >> "For we walk by faith, not by sight" >> 2 Cor. 7 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jab2bs%40mtmail.mtsu.edu From dandrews at visi.com Sat Jun 25 03:18:26 2016 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 22:18:26 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Female seeking roommate at national convention Message-ID: > >Andrea Perry, a female Virginian, is seeking another female to share >the room she already has reserved at the convention hotel. If >anyone is interested in sharing the room, please contact me at >markwroane at gmail.com or >(318) 243-6445 > > > From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Jun 25 14:17:28 2016 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 10:17:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A Couple of Accessibility Questions In-Reply-To: <576dcc25.c51a620a.78526.742e@mx.google.com> References: <576dcc25.c51a620a.78526.742e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Vejas, Were you trying to open the text document as a basic HTML attachment? It probably hasn't surpassed the storage limit for Gmail, but sometimes Gmail has trouble converting large attachments from their native format to HTML. If this is the case, I would suggest trying RoboBraille, or simply saving it to your computer and opening it in Word. Best of luck! Arielle On 6/24/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: > Hi All, > I just had a two-day freshman orientation at my school, and had a > couple of questions about accessing some of the material that was > put up. > First, has anyone ever used a web site called Prezi to either > read or create Power-Point presentations? A PowerPoint that was > used was from Prezi, and when I clicked on the link, it did not > take me directly to the PowerPoint, nor could I find a way to > open it. > The second question I have deals with size limit on Gmail. An > email I received contained a text document that said that the > file was too large and could not be converted, and said "maximum > size 10 MB." I thought that a Gmail account lets you have 15 > gigabytes of information, and mine isn't full enough for that. > I'm guessing it's a Gmail setting about size limit. > Thanks, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From amieelsabo at gmail.com Sat Jun 25 20:52:01 2016 From: amieelsabo at gmail.com (Amy Sabo) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 14:52:01 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Coverage Of The Nabs Business Meeting And More To Be Discussed On KJSC Radio Tonight In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003901d1cf23$6cc21a00$46464e00$@gmail.com> Hello david, Thanks for sending out this message. Asusual I missed it this week due to personal endeavors. But, unfortunately I'm not going to national convention. I emailed you about it off list a few weeks ago. It sounds like you had an awesome show and, I'm sorry that I missed it since I'm now checking my emails. Thanks again and, I will talk to you soon. Hugs, >From amy -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 1:14 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: David Dunphy Subject: [nabs-l] Coverage Of The Nabs Business Meeting And More To Be Discussed On KJSC Radio Tonight Hi All! If anyone can't make convention or wants to know more about the streaming of the nabs business meeting, that will be discussed at around 9:3-0PM eastern during our Convention Send Off Party on KJSC Radio for those going to convention. If you want complete details about the party, read below. Otherwise, just go to http://onj.me/kjscradio at 9:30PM eastern to hear about our coverage. But to get energized for some fun prior to going to Orlando. read below: Summer has just started, and for some of us, excitement is in the air as we prepare for the NFB Convention In Orlando Florida. Whether you're packing for the convention, ready to go, or, even if you're not going, you're invited to tonight's Send Off To Orlando Party on KJSC Radio, presented by Djd's Digital Distraction Show, going from 8 to 11 PM eastern! Join us for... Some upbeat music to help you get more excited and/or to help you stay entertained as you pack, do final prep, etc... Since it is in Orlando, we have a tribute to the most magical place on earth, Disney World, with our Disney music sets... Learn about KJSC Radio coverage of some convention events... A tribute to the summer.... And more... And of course, your requests will help to make everyone feel good about the summer, the up coming fourth of July vacation, and our upcoming convention trip in Orlando. To get in touch for requests and interactions, you can either Skype us at KJSC.radio Tweet us at kjscradio Call us at 602 399 7279 Or during the show, search for that song request to make your party that much more special by visiting http://djdrocks.online/requests Now, to listen, you can Search for KJSC Radio in the Tunein app Go right on over to http://onj.me/kjscradio Or visit http://kjscradio.com/classic/radio.php for other listening options, including listening with your favorite media player. Regardless of how you tune in, join us for high energy music and fun, starting at 8 PM eastern on KJSC Radio! I hope to see you all there! >From David Dunphy _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amieelsabo%40gmail.com From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Sun Jun 26 13:10:30 2016 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 09:10:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A Few Unrelated Questions Message-ID: Hello All, I hope this message finds everyone doing well as I am sure many of you are most likely in the final stages of preparing to attend national convention. I have a few unrelated questions I would like to ask everyone who is on this email list. First, are there any blind students out there who have a cognitive disability in addition to blindness? If so, I would be interested in connecting with you off list. Second, has anyone on the email list taken an environmental geology class before? If so, what types of accommodations did you use for this class? I would greatly appreciate any information even though this question may have been asked on the email list before. Third, does anyone have any advice on writing a thank you letter as part of receiving a scholarship? I need to write a thank you letter as part of receiving a foundation scholarship from my local community college, and although I am often prone to ramble, I have absolutely no idea what to say in this letter beyond simply saying thank you. There is not much of a description for this particular scholarship besides the number of credits a student needs to take and the grade point average a student needs to maintain as a part of receiving this scholarship. I already asked the person in charge of the scholarship program if she could provide more details about how the scholarship was created as a way to help me write the thank you letter. However, I did not receive any additional information from asking this question. So I am at a loss as to what to say in this thank you letter. If anyone has any thoughts or ideas regarding any of these questions, I would greatly appreciate hearing from you. Please feel free to respond on the email list, off the email list, or at national convention. Thanks, Elizabeth From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Sun Jun 26 13:23:47 2016 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 09:23:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Personal Finance and the Shawshank Redemption In-Reply-To: <00d401d1ce39$df9bea50$9ed3bef0$@gmail.com> References: <00d401d1ce39$df9bea50$9ed3bef0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Joe, Thank you for sending this out to the email list. I think everyone could benefit from reading something like this as I found this post to be rather inspirational. I only wish I could have read something like this a few years ago rather than today. However, as the post states, you can only take advantage of the opportunities you are given in life as they are presented to you rather than how you wish them to be. So thank you for sharing this link with the email list. Warm regards, Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe via NABS-L Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 1:00 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Joe Subject: [nabs-l] Personal Finance and the Shawshank Redemption Hello list, The other discussion on training centers made me think this would be a good article worth sharing. All of us, blind or not, hit points in our lives where we have to make key decisions to maintain our self-sufficiency. I would argue that as blind people we have to be especially keen to make ourselves valuable to overcome misconceptions of blindness and the perceived challenges that come with it. Anyway, I hope some of you find it a good read: Personal Finance and the Shawshank Redemption http://www.thesimpledollar.com/personal-finance-and-the-shawshank-redemption / Joe -- Musings of a Work in Progress: www.JoeOrozco.com/ Twitter: @ScribblingJoe _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sat Jun 25 14:10:46 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 10:10:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A Few Unrelated Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <020301d1ceeb$5eb1ebd0$1c15c370$@gmail.com> About the thank you letter, you can also tell them how the money will benefit you. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 9:11 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke Subject: [nabs-l] A Few Unrelated Questions Hello All, I hope this message finds everyone doing well as I am sure many of you are most likely in the final stages of preparing to attend national convention. I have a few unrelated questions I would like to ask everyone who is on this email list. First, are there any blind students out there who have a cognitive disability in addition to blindness? If so, I would be interested in connecting with you off list. Second, has anyone on the email list taken an environmental geology class before? If so, what types of accommodations did you use for this class? I would greatly appreciate any information even though this question may have been asked on the email list before. Third, does anyone have any advice on writing a thank you letter as part of receiving a scholarship? I need to write a thank you letter as part of receiving a foundation scholarship from my local community college, and although I am often prone to ramble, I have absolutely no idea what to say in this letter beyond simply saying thank you. There is not much of a description for this particular scholarship besides the number of credits a student needs to take and the grade point average a student needs to maintain as a part of receiving this scholarship. I already asked the person in charge of the scholarship program if she could provide more details about how the scholarship was created as a way to help me write the thank you letter. However, I did not receive any additional information from asking this question. So I am at a loss as to what to say in this thank you letter. If anyone has any thoughts or ideas regarding any of these questions, I would greatly appreciate hearing from you. Please feel free to respond on the email list, off the email list, or at national convention. Thanks, Elizabeth _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From danielle.montour1 at gmail.com Sun Jun 26 15:06:20 2016 From: danielle.montour1 at gmail.com (Danielle Montour) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 11:06:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A Few Unrelated Questions In-Reply-To: <020301d1ceeb$5eb1ebd0$1c15c370$@gmail.com> References: <020301d1ceeb$5eb1ebd0$1c15c370$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Elizabeth, The only question I can be of any assistance with is your last regarding the thank you letter. When I wrote letters like this last fall, I included how I was a first generation college student, how important postsecondary education was to me, my gratitude for the opportunity the scholarship is helping to provide for me, and how their financial support would insure my success in the future. I’d be more than happy to look over your letter when it is finished, if you’d like. Best, Danielle On 6/25/16, justin via NABS-L wrote: > About the thank you letter, you can also tell them how the money will > benefit you. > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth > Mohnke via NABS-L > Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 9:11 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > > Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke > Subject: [nabs-l] A Few Unrelated Questions > > Hello All, > > I hope this message finds everyone doing well as I am sure many of you are > most likely in the final stages of preparing to attend national convention. > I have a few unrelated questions I would like to ask everyone who is on > this > email list. > > First, are there any blind students out there who have a cognitive > disability in addition to blindness? If so, I would be interested in > connecting with you off list. > > Second, has anyone on the email list taken an environmental geology class > before? If so, what types of accommodations did you use for this class? I > would greatly appreciate any information even though this question may have > been asked on the email list before. > > Third, does anyone have any advice on writing a thank you letter as part of > receiving a scholarship? I need to write a thank you letter as part of > receiving a foundation scholarship from my local community college, and > although I am often prone to ramble, I have absolutely no idea what to say > in this letter beyond simply saying thank you. > > There is not much of a description for this particular scholarship besides > the number of credits a student needs to take and the grade point average a > student needs to maintain as a part of receiving this scholarship. I > already > asked the person in charge of the scholarship program if she could provide > more details about how the scholarship was created as a way to help me > write > the thank you letter. However, I did not receive any additional information > from asking this question. So I am at a loss as to what to say in this > thank > you letter. > > If anyone has any thoughts or ideas regarding any of these questions, I > would greatly appreciate hearing from you. Please feel free to respond on > the email list, off the email list, or at national convention. > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montour1%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Sun Jun 26 19:03:02 2016 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 15:03:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A Few Unrelated Questions In-Reply-To: References: <020301d1ceeb$5eb1ebd0$1c15c370$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Elizabeth and all, Congratulations on being awarded the foundation scholarship. It sounds like a great opportunity, and I recall you worked hard to get it, so nice job. I am not sure if there is a length expectation for the thank-you letter. When I have written them I tend to keep them fairly brief, maybe a paragraph or two. You can focus on what you are hoping to do professionally once you get your degree and any ways that being in school so farhas helped you personally or professionally. Best, Arielle On 6/26/16, Danielle Montour via NABS-L wrote: > Hi Elizabeth, > The only question I can be of any assistance with is your last > regarding the thank you letter. When I wrote letters like this last > fall, I included how I was a first generation college student, how > important postsecondary education was to me, my gratitude for the > opportunity the scholarship is helping to provide for me, and how > their financial support would insure my success in the future. > I’d be more than happy to look over your letter when it is finished, > if you’d like. > > Best, > Danielle > > > On 6/25/16, justin via NABS-L wrote: >> About the thank you letter, you can also tell them how the money will >> benefit you. >> Justin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth >> Mohnke via NABS-L >> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 9:11 AM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> >> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke >> Subject: [nabs-l] A Few Unrelated Questions >> >> Hello All, >> >> I hope this message finds everyone doing well as I am sure many of you are >> most likely in the final stages of preparing to attend national >> convention. >> I have a few unrelated questions I would like to ask everyone who is on >> this >> email list. >> >> First, are there any blind students out there who have a cognitive >> disability in addition to blindness? If so, I would be interested in >> connecting with you off list. >> >> Second, has anyone on the email list taken an environmental geology class >> before? If so, what types of accommodations did you use for this class? I >> would greatly appreciate any information even though this question may >> have >> been asked on the email list before. >> >> Third, does anyone have any advice on writing a thank you letter as part >> of >> receiving a scholarship? I need to write a thank you letter as part of >> receiving a foundation scholarship from my local community college, and >> although I am often prone to ramble, I have absolutely no idea what to say >> in this letter beyond simply saying thank you. >> >> There is not much of a description for this particular scholarship besides >> the number of credits a student needs to take and the grade point average >> a >> student needs to maintain as a part of receiving this scholarship. I >> already >> asked the person in charge of the scholarship program if she could provide >> more details about how the scholarship was created as a way to help me >> write >> the thank you letter. However, I did not receive any additional >> information >> from asking this question. So I am at a loss as to what to say in this >> thank >> you letter. >> >> If anyone has any thoughts or ideas regarding any of these questions, I >> would greatly appreciate hearing from you. Please feel free to respond on >> the email list, off the email list, or at national convention. >> >> Thanks, >> Elizabeth >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montour1%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From bre.brown24 at gmail.com Sun Jun 26 20:09:41 2016 From: bre.brown24 at gmail.com (Bre Brown) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 15:09:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Bre Brown For NABS First Vice President Message-ID: Greetings NABS, I am writing today to inform you that I will be running for the first vice president at our 2016 student elections. These past seven years in the federation, and these past 3 years on the NABS board have truly been a life changing experience. Like many of us, I was a student when I joined. It was a time in which I had questions, needed guidance, and needed people who would push me to go further than I ever imagined. Fortunately, that is exactly what I have gained. Not only can we gain from the federation, but it is important to give back. By serving on the NABS board, I have been able to guide students towards success, build and strengthen student divisions all over the country, bring new students in to the federation, educate about blindness, work on various student projects, and so much more. Although the National Association of Blind Students has been in existence for more than four decades, we still have plenty of work to do. I look forward to being able to continue changing what it means to be a blind student, creating new fun and innovative programs for students, sharing my ideas, working closely with my fellow board members, and continuing the growth of our organization. All students deserve equal access, an equal education, and equal rights in classrooms and on campuses. I promise to do my best to continue making that happen. I look forward to serving, and I would appreciate your consideration and a vote at our 2016 NABS elections. Let’s go build the federation. See you in Orlando. Thanks Bre Brown Second Vice President | national Association of Blind Students From lily2011a at gmail.com Sun Jun 26 21:51:52 2016 From: lily2011a at gmail.com (lily2011a at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 17:51:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Anna Givens for a board position In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <236561E1-CB61-4296-ACFA-D7B1052EB16E@gmail.com> Hello all, I have had pleasure working with Anna Givens on the Colorado Association of blind students board (CABS) for the past two years. During the time that I have been working with her, she has displayed a passion for serving and including everyone on the board. She always keeps her promises and works hard to make things happen for the blind students in Colorado. As one could observe, she is the glue to our CABS division because when the board starts to fall apart, she brings us back together. She is an innovative thinker and has many ideas in regards to getting blind students to be successful. One of her goals is to get more students involved in the NFB and to create a supportive environment for them. She has planned and a good amount of leadership seminars this past year. She has ideas of planning many more leadership seminars as well as events for the blind students in Colorado. Her inclusive, confident, and positive attitude makes her an exceptional and outstanding leader. With Anna being our CABS President, I feel like we have gotten a lot done and plan on getting a lot more done. She has helped our division grow. Her love for serving the NFB truly shows through the responsibilities that she has taken on and the duties that she has fulfilled these past two years on the board. She is always there for anyone that is in need. I am really proud of her!!! I know that she will display the same servant attitude and leadership qualities on the NABS board. Please consider her to become one of the board members. Thank you and have a wonderful convention! Liliya Asadullina Secretary, (Colorado Association of blind students) Vice – president, (Pennsylvania Association of blind students Lily2011a at gmail.com Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 10, 2016, at 9:46 AM, Ana Martinez via NABS-L wrote: > > I had the opportunity to work with Anna in the Colorado association of > blind students board last year, working with Anna was a great > experience. Since I started to get involved with CABS she always made > me feel welcome, She always makes sure that everyone’s ideas and > suggestions are taken into consideration and she makes everyone feel > like there opinions matter. Anna is very passionate about her work in > building and strengthend the CABS division as well as making sure that > other students around the state can live the life they want, Once a > month she goes to the state school for the blind to mentor middle and > high school students, she has organized a cupple of fundraisings, and > she also with the help of the rest of the CABS board has hosted a > cupple of fun and informative seminars for blind students and > teachers. I believe she would be a great candidate for the NABS board > because of her hard work and determination of helping students to > achieve greater independence and more fulfilling lives > >> On 6/10/16, nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org wrote: >> Send NABS-L mailing list submissions to >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of NABS-L digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Fwd: roommate for convention (David Andrews) >> 2. NABS List Guidelines Monthly Reminder (Arielle Silverman) >> 3. volunteer opportunity (Anya) >> 4. Re: Michael Ausbun for NABS Secretary (Roanna Bacchus) >> 5. Re: Running for a board position! (Roanna Bacchus) >> 6. Question about SSI (Vejas Vasiliauskas) >> 7. Re: Question about SSI (Elizabeth Mohnke) >> 8. Re: Question about SSI (KENNEDY STOMBERG) >> 9. Re: Question about SSI (Suzanne Germano) >> 10. Re: Question about SSI (Sami Osborne) >> 11. Re: NABS List Guidelines Monthly Reminder (rbacchus228 at gmail.com) >> 12. Virginia 2016 James F Nelson Scholarship Program and >> application (Kathryn Webster) >> 13. Re: Question about SSI (Elizabeth Mohnke) >> 14. Re: Question about SSI (Jennifer Aberdeen) >> 15. Re: Question about SSI (KENNEDY STOMBERG) >> 16. Re: Question about SSI (KENNEDY STOMBERG) >> 17. Re: Question about SSI (Elizabeth Mohnke) >> 18. Back for a Seeing Eye Dog, One Year Later (Joe) >> 19. Fwd: Braille Sense u2 32 cell for sale (David Andrews) >> 20. Re: Question about SSI (Sami Osborne) >> 21. Re: Michael Ausbun for NABS Secretary (Kathryn Webster) >> 22. Re: Michael Ausbun for NABS Secretary (Julie McGinnity) >> 23. NABS board position (annajee82 at gmail.com) >> 24. Fwd: [blindkid] Seeking help from students in grades 4 >> through 12 at convention (annajee82 at gmail.com) >> 25. Re: NABS board position (Roanna Bacchus) >> 26. Seeking students who have completed Algebra 1 to help with >> Pearson user testing at convention (Yingling, Valerie) >> 27. Scholarship for students with disabilities pursuing careers >> in communications, media, or entertainment (Cindy Bennett) >> 28. Vote Syed Rizvi for Second Vice President of the National >> Association of Blind Students (Syed Rizvi ) >> 29. Re: Vote Syed Rizvi for Second Vice President of the National >> Association of Blind Students (Bryan Duarte) >> 30. Room (David Andrews) >> 31. Re: Vote Syed Rizvi for Second Vice President of the >> NationalAssociation of Blind Students (Roanna Bacchus) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2016 16:33:59 -0500 >> From: David Andrews >> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: roommate for convention >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed >> >> >>> >>> In need of a roommate or a reservation >>> >>> If someone is in need of a female roommate or >>> has a reservation that they are? not going to >>> need please contact Donna Prime in the Iowa >>> affiliate at >>> dprime27 at gmail.com , >>> one of my members was not able to get a >>> reservation for the? last 3 nights of the? convention.? Thank you. >>> >>> Donna Prime, President >>> National Federation of the Blind of Iowa >>> dprime27 at gmail.com >>> 319.321.8769 >>> >>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that >>> blindness is not the characteristic that defines >>> you or your future. Every day we raise the >>> expectations of blind people, because low >>> expectations create obstacles between blind >>> people and our dreams. You can live the life you >>> want; blindness is not what holds you back. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 17:53:44 -0400 >> From: Arielle Silverman >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] NABS List Guidelines Monthly Reminder >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> NABS List Guidelines >> >> 1. Be respectful. >> A. This Listserv is a great forum in which we can all express our >> opinions. Sometimes we will disagree. However, when responding to a >> post, always be respectful. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and >> personal attacks and degrading comments will not be tolerated. >> B. All posts must be appropriate for a wide audience, including >> readers younger than 18 years old. Profanity and sexual content will >> not be allowed. >> C. Remember that all list messages appear on a public archive. Please >> respect other people?s privacy by not posting details about their >> lives or experiences. Even if you post about somebody without using >> their name, their identity can be discovered. Also remember that if >> you post your phone number on list, others could access it via a >> Google search. >> >> 2. Reducing List Clutter >> A. Please stay on topic. This list is about blindness and issues >> related to being a blind student or job-seeker. Posts about religion >> or politics, advertisements, queries asking to add list members on >> social media, or any other posts unrelated to blindness are not >> allowed, as they create too much list clutter unrelated to the list >> purpose. The exception is that advertisements for blindness programs >> and announcements about blindness-related research projects are >> permitted. The moderators and NABS board reserve the right to close >> down any discussion that is off-topic. >> B. Please respect readers? time by consolidating your ideas into one >> or two messages per day instead of posting many short replies to a >> topic. Rule of thumb is to post in a way to further the conversation, >> instead of just saying ?I agree?. >> C. When you would like to write someone off list or offer to connect >> with someone by Skype or social media, do so privately. You do not >> have to write one liners to every person you?d like to email off list. >> If you develop a conversation with that person, that?s great, if they >> feel they do not want to respond that is their right too. >> D. If an off-topic message appears on the list, please do not respond >> to it. Instead, please either delete it or forward it to a list >> moderator. Single off-topic messages create much less clutter than >> long threads debating whether or not the initial post is appropriate >> for the list. >> If you send a message the moderators feel is off-topic, you will >> receive an off-list request not to send any more messages of this >> kind. If you disagree with the moderator?s ruling, feel free to reply >> and make your case, and we will be more than happy to listen. But the >> list committee has final authority regarding what is and is not >> appropriate for the list. Repeated violations of the guidelines could >> result in disciplinary action from the list owner, including list >> removal. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 22:27:35 -0500 >> From: Anya >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: [nabs-l] volunteer opportunity >> Message-ID: <574FA7A7.7030500 at gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >> >> Hey Kathryn, >> this is Anya, the president of the Kansas Association of Blind Students. >> I was writing because I'm interested in volunteering at exhibit hall >> table at the national convention. I'm also working for Blind Inc, and it >> requires a lot of work, but I still would like to volunteer, and I'd >> appreciate if you'd provide me the times when I could help the NABS. >> Please let me know if there are any availabilities at this time, and I >> will try my best to take on a shift. >> Best regards, >> A >> >>> On 6/1/2016 9:26 AM, Kathryn Webster via NABS-L wrote: >>> Good morning students! >>> >>> >>> >>> The 2016 National Federation of the Blind National >>> Convention agenda is now available online at www.nfb.org/convention >>> . >>> >>> For your convenience, I have attached a .docx version, as well. >>> >>> >>> >>> See you soon, >>> >>> Kathryn Webster >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annita.co.usa%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2016 08:56:58 -0400 >> From: Roanna Bacchus >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Michael Ausbun for NABS Secretary >> Message-ID: <57502d3b.8847810a.2c24e.0cdf at mx.google.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Hi Michael thanks for your message. Congratulations on running >> for a board position. You have my full support in this endeavor. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2016 08:56:55 -0400 >> From: Roanna Bacchus >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Running for a board position! >> Message-ID: <57502d38.8847810a.2c24e.0cde at mx.google.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Hi Chelsea thanks for your message. I hope you win this board >> position. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2016 21:03:29 -0500 >> From: Vejas Vasiliauskas >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] Question about SSI >> Message-ID: <5750e57c.0b59810a.3d74.ffff8f96 at mx.google.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Hi All, >> I have a couple of questions regarding SSI. >> I am going to graduate from LCB in two weeks and moving back home >> for the summer, so I know that I will need to report that I am >> living back home. How far in advance do I need to do this, >> bearing in mind that my social security rep is not the best at >> answering calls? >> Secondly, I am going to be moving to my dorm in August. The >> college that I am staying at is only 20 minutes away from home, >> which means that I can always go home on weekends and can come >> and go as I please. I would obviously be staying at home for >> breaks also. Would I still need to report about staying in the >> dorm? >> Thanks, >> Vejas >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 23:42:25 -0400 >> From: Elizabeth Mohnke >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Hello Vejas, >> >> I am by no means an expert regarding Social Security, so I hope other >> people >> who are more knowledgeable about this subject will chime in on this >> discussion. However, I thought I would take the time to answer your >> questions in case no one else on the email list responds to you. >> >> As for your first question, I am honestly not quite sure how far in advance >> you need to notify Social Security regarding your change of address, or if >> you even need to submit your change of address to your assigned case >> worker. >> The last time I reported a change of address to Social Security, I went to >> a >> Social Security office in person after I moved, and reported my change of >> address to which ever case worker called out my number indicating my spot >> in >> line. >> >> I believe I decided to report my change of address in person because at the >> time I only had a cell phone with a limited amount of day time minutes, and >> I did not want to waste my minutes waiting on hold for someone from Social >> Security to answer my call. However, I cannot believe how long I have been >> living in my current apartment, so perhaps contacting Social Security is a >> bit easier to do these days than the last time I changed my address with >> them. >> >> As for your second question, it seems to me if you are planning on using >> your parents address as a permanent address while you are attending college >> and living in a dorm that the easiest thing for you to do would be to keep >> your parents address as your permanent address with Social Security. >> However, I have never lived in a dorm while receiving Social Security, so >> perhaps this might not necessarily be the best thing to do. It is simply >> what I would probably do unless I heard someone else tell me that doing so >> violates some sort of rule that goes against what seems to me the most >> logical thing to do. >> >> Anyway, I hope you find this information to be helpful. If not, I hope >> others who are more knowledgeable about Social Security matters will chime >> in on this discussion. However, if you are attending national convention, >> there is usually a session devoted to Social Security issues where you can >> ask questions regarding Social Security. >> >> Warm regards, >> Elizabeth >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas >> Vasiliauskas via NABS-L >> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 10:03 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas >> Subject: [nabs-l] Question about SSI >> >> Hi All, >> I have a couple of questions regarding SSI. >> I am going to graduate from LCB in two weeks and moving back home for the >> summer, so I know that I will need to report that I am living back home. >> How far in advance do I need to do this, bearing in mind that my social >> security rep is not the best at answering calls? >> Secondly, I am going to be moving to my dorm in August. The college that I >> am staying at is only 20 minutes away from home, which means that I can >> always go home on weekends and can come and go as I please. I would >> obviously be staying at home for breaks also. Would I still need to report >> about staying in the dorm? >> Thanks, >> Vejas >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 22:44:15 -0500 >> From: KENNEDY STOMBERG >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI >> Message-ID: <360751B5-8610-41EE-9AF5-A787C1EEDD19 at coe.edu> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Hello. >> >> I didn't report my change of address until after I had arrived. So, if your >> Social Security representative isn't great at answering phone calls, you can >> leave a voicemail for them. If they don't get back to you, just keep calling >> until they answer so you can tell them that you have changed your address. >> As for living in your dorm, you may still want to report that, especially if >> you will not be paying rent at your home. This is important, because if you >> do not pay rent, they may reduce the amount that you get paid. >> I hope this helps! :-) >> >> Kennedy Stomberg >> (218)295-2391 >> >>> On Jun 2, 2016, at 9:03 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi All, >>> I have a couple of questions regarding SSI. >>> I am going to graduate from LCB in two weeks and moving back home for the >>> summer, so I know that I will need to report that I am living back home. >>> How far in advance do I need to do this, bearing in mind that my social >>> security rep is not the best at answering calls? >>> Secondly, I am going to be moving to my dorm in August. The college that >>> I am staying at is only 20 minutes away from home, which means that I can >>> always go home on weekends and can come and go as I please. I would >>> obviously be staying at home for breaks also. Would I still need to >>> report about staying in the dorm? >>> Thanks, >>> Vejas >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 9 >> Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2016 06:51:38 -0500 >> From: Suzanne Germano >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> It is much better to say you are living in the dorm. That would give you >> full SSI checks. Do you pay rent at home? If you do you get full checks. >> >> On Thursday, June 2, 2016, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L >> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> I have a couple of questions regarding SSI. >>> I am going to graduate from LCB in two weeks and moving back home for the >>> summer, so I know that I will need to report that I am living back home. >>> How far in advance do I need to do this, bearing in mind that my social >>> security rep is not the best at answering calls? >>> Secondly, I am going to be moving to my dorm in August. The college that >>> I am staying at is only 20 minutes away from home, which means that I can >>> always go home on weekends and can come and go as I please. I would >>> obviously be staying at home for breaks also. Would I still need to >>> report >>> about staying in the dorm? >>> Thanks, >>> Vejas >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 10 >> Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2016 10:42:14 -0400 >> From: Sami Osborne >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI >> Message-ID: <0O8700CJ3A6UFM80 at vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Hi Vejas and all, >> >> I personally don't think that it is necessary to indicate to >> Social Security that you're living in the dorm. The reason is >> that I've also been attending a blindness training center here in >> New York that is only an hour away from my house, and go home >> every weekend. I have my home address for SSI, so that's where >> they send my monthly benefits to. I have never had any problems >> with that; Social Security has never confronted me about what I >> do with my checks. The only thing they have contacted me about >> was to go to a meeting back in May so that they could have proof >> of my blindness and hard of hearing. >> >> So in summary, even though I live in the dorm at the training >> center (although like you I'll be finishing in two weeks and >> going back home for the summer), I still have my home address for >> receiveing my SSI benefits since it's only an hour away and since >> I go home on weekends. By the way, I'll be doing the same for >> college in the fall, because my college is also only about 15-20 >> minutes away from my house, and I'll also be living in the dorm >> during the week and going home on weekends. >> >> I hope this helps and have a great first weekend in June! >> >> Thanks, >> >> Sami >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Suzanne Germano via NABS-L > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Fri, 03 Jun 2016 06:51:38 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI >> >> It is much better to say you are living in the dorm. That would >> give you >> full SSI checks. Do you pay rent at home? If you do you get full >> checks. >> >> On Thursday, June 2, 2016, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L >> > wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> I have a couple of questions regarding SSI. >> I am going to graduate from LCB in two weeks and moving back >> home for the >> summer, so I know that I will need to report that I am living >> back home. >> How far in advance do I need to do this, bearing in mind that my >> social >> security rep is not the best at answering calls? >> Secondly, I am going to be moving to my dorm in August. The >> college that >> I am staying at is only 20 minutes away from home, which means >> that I can >> always go home on weekends and can come and go as I please. I >> would >> obviously be staying at home for breaks also. Would I still >> need to report >> about staying in the dorm? >> Thanks, >> Vejas >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> NABS-L: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40as >> u.edu >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ligne14%40ver >> izon.net >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 11 >> Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2016 15:12:35 -0400 >> From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS List Guidelines Monthly Reminder >> Message-ID: <0CA64EAC-AD48-46BE-A038-75B8EE87E376 at gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Thanks for posting these guidelines on the list. I find them helpful. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Jun 1, 2016, at 5:53 PM, Arielle Silverman via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> NABS List Guidelines >>> >>> 1. Be respectful. >>> A. This Listserv is a great forum in which we can all express our >>> opinions. Sometimes we will disagree. However, when responding to a >>> post, always be respectful. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and >>> personal attacks and degrading comments will not be tolerated. >>> B. All posts must be appropriate for a wide audience, including >>> readers younger than 18 years old. Profanity and sexual content will >>> not be allowed. >>> C. Remember that all list messages appear on a public archive. Please >>> respect other people?s privacy by not posting details about their >>> lives or experiences. Even if you post about somebody without using >>> their name, their identity can be discovered. Also remember that if >>> you post your phone number on list, others could access it via a >>> Google search. >>> >>> 2. Reducing List Clutter >>> A. Please stay on topic. This list is about blindness and issues >>> related to being a blind student or job-seeker. Posts about religion >>> or politics, advertisements, queries asking to add list members on >>> social media, or any other posts unrelated to blindness are not >>> allowed, as they create too much list clutter unrelated to the list >>> purpose. The exception is that advertisements for blindness programs >>> and announcements about blindness-related research projects are >>> permitted. The moderators and NABS board reserve the right to close >>> down any discussion that is off-topic. >>> B. Please respect readers? time by consolidating your ideas into one >>> or two messages per day instead of posting many short replies to a >>> topic. Rule of thumb is to post in a way to further the conversation, >>> instead of just saying ?I agree?. >>> C. When you would like to write someone off list or offer to connect >>> with someone by Skype or social media, do so privately. You do not >>> have to write one liners to every person you?d like to email off list. >>> If you develop a conversation with that person, that?s great, if they >>> feel they do not want to respond that is their right too. >>> D. If an off-topic message appears on the list, please do not respond >>> to it. Instead, please either delete it or forward it to a list >>> moderator. Single off-topic messages create much less clutter than >>> long threads debating whether or not the initial post is appropriate >>> for the list. >>> If you send a message the moderators feel is off-topic, you will >>> receive an off-list request not to send any more messages of this >>> kind. If you disagree with the moderator?s ruling, feel free to reply >>> and make your case, and we will be more than happy to listen. But the >>> list committee has final authority regarding what is and is not >>> appropriate for the list. Repeated violations of the guidelines could >>> result in disciplinary action from the list owner, including list >>> removal. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 12 >> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2016 16:11:16 -0400 >> From: Kathryn Webster >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] Virginia 2016 James F Nelson Scholarship Program and >> application >> Message-ID: <6ADC2E6D-5ED6-45F6-A918-E539CE47D924 at gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Attention Virginia residents or future Virginia students: >> The semester is over, but don?t totally check out this summer, or you might >> miss the opportunity to apply for the James F Nelson 2016 Virginia State >> Scholarship. If you are a Virginia resident, or attending an institute of >> higher education in the Commonwealth of Virginia in the coming 2016/17 >> academic year, why not apply for a prestigious James F Nelson Virginia >> Scholarship? You will garner fame, a most expenses paid trip to the Virginia >> state convention in fabulous Virginia Beach in November, 2016, not to >> mention a small pile of cash, paid out in $2 bills ? Virginia is the State >> of Jefferson after all! >>> >>> >>> >>> The deadline to apply is September 15, 2016. The application can be found >>> on both the NABS as well as the NFBV websites, and is attached to this >>> announcement. Inquiries and non-hoax related emails may be made to Brian >>> Miller, chair of the scholarship committee, at: >>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','brianrmiller88 at gmail.com');. If you are >>> vigilant, you just might catch Dr. Miller at the national convention in >>> Orlando, where you can ask about the scholarship, or questions of a >>> generally historical nature. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>> >>> Brian Miller >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 13 >> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 14:42:04 -0400 >> From: Elizabeth Mohnke >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Hello Kennedy, >> >> Thank you for providing this information. It is good to know that Social >> Security reduces the amount of the check you receive if you are not paying >> rent. However, as I understand it, most people who attend NFB training >> centers such as the Louisiana Center for the Blind do not pay rent as this >> is generally paid as a part of attending an NFB training center. Therefore, >> I do not see what the difference would be in terms of the amount of Social >> Security would be. >> >> However, with this said, I believe it is a good practice to pay rent as an >> adult while living with your parents. Even if someone lives nearby on >> campus, but then comes home on the weekends to do laundry, eat some nice >> home cooking food, and use the internet while staying the night, these are >> all expenses that require money, even if someone is just using these >> services on a limited basis on the weekends. Paying a small amount of rent >> on a monthly basis will satisfy the rent requirement from Social Security >> while demonstrating to your parents that you are a responsible adult who is >> willing to help contribute to household expenses. While this may not >> automatically mean that your parents will treat you like an adult rather >> than a child, taking steps in acting like a responsible adult will more >> likely lead to your parents interacting with you as an adult rather than a >> child. >> >> Anyway, I hope this information is helpful. >> >> Warm regards, >> Elizabeth >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of KENNEDY >> STOMBERG via NABS-L >> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 11:44 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: KENNEDY STOMBERG >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI >> >> Hello. >> >> I didn't report my change of address until after I had arrived. So, if your >> Social Security representative isn't great at answering phone calls, you >> can >> leave a voicemail for them. If they don't get back to you, just keep >> calling >> until they answer so you can tell them that you have changed your address. >> As for living in your dorm, you may still want to report that, especially >> if >> you will not be paying rent at your home. This is important, because if you >> do not pay rent, they may reduce the amount that you get paid. >> I hope this helps! :-) >> >> Kennedy Stomberg >> (218)295-2391 >> >>>> On Jun 2, 2016, at 9:03 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi All, >>> I have a couple of questions regarding SSI. >>> I am going to graduate from LCB in two weeks and moving back home for the >> summer, so I know that I will need to report that I am living back home. >> How far in advance do I need to do this, bearing in mind that my social >> security rep is not the best at answering calls? >>> Secondly, I am going to be moving to my dorm in August. The college that >> I am staying at is only 20 minutes away from home, which means that I can >> always go home on weekends and can come and go as I please. I would >> obviously be staying at home for breaks also. Would I still need to report >> about staying in the dorm? >>> Thanks, >>> Vejas >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 14 >> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 14:54:30 -0400 >> From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI >> Message-ID: <7C213E1672E149CD9D7E005411484C7E at JenniferPC> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Hello, >> >> I just wanted to put my two cents in regarding SSI. >> >> I think it depends on the state you live in whether your amount gets reduced >> >> or not. I started receiving SSI when I turned eighteen, received the full >> amount while living with my parents and I did not pay rent. I paid for >> things like telephone and cable, but not rent. >> >> Later, I attended the Carroll Center for five months and still received my >> full amount...I too went home on the weekends though. >> >> Now I live in my own apartment and of course pay rent so I get the full >> amount. >> >> Social Security never asked me anything and never said anything to me about >> >> where I lived. I live in Rhode Island. Don't know if it makes a difference, >> >> but I'm guessing it all depends on which state you live in. >> >> Jen >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L >> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 2:42 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI >> >> Hello Kennedy, >> >> Thank you for providing this information. It is good to know that Social >> Security reduces the amount of the check you receive if you are not paying >> rent. However, as I understand it, most people who attend NFB training >> centers such as the Louisiana Center for the Blind do not pay rent as this >> is generally paid as a part of attending an NFB training center. Therefore, >> I do not see what the difference would be in terms of the amount of Social >> Security would be. >> >> However, with this said, I believe it is a good practice to pay rent as an >> adult while living with your parents. Even if someone lives nearby on >> campus, but then comes home on the weekends to do laundry, eat some nice >> home cooking food, and use the internet while staying the night, these are >> all expenses that require money, even if someone is just using these >> services on a limited basis on the weekends. Paying a small amount of rent >> on a monthly basis will satisfy the rent requirement from Social Security >> while demonstrating to your parents that you are a responsible adult who is >> willing to help contribute to household expenses. While this may not >> automatically mean that your parents will treat you like an adult rather >> than a child, taking steps in acting like a responsible adult will more >> likely lead to your parents interacting with you as an adult rather than a >> child. >> >> Anyway, I hope this information is helpful. >> >> Warm regards, >> Elizabeth >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of KENNEDY >> STOMBERG via NABS-L >> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 11:44 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: KENNEDY STOMBERG >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI >> >> Hello. >> >> I didn't report my change of address until after I had arrived. So, if your >> Social Security representative isn't great at answering phone calls, you >> can >> leave a voicemail for them. If they don't get back to you, just keep >> calling >> until they answer so you can tell them that you have changed your address. >> As for living in your dorm, you may still want to report that, especially >> if >> you will not be paying rent at your home. This is important, because if you >> do not pay rent, they may reduce the amount that you get paid. >> I hope this helps! :-) >> >> Kennedy Stomberg >> (218)295-2391 >> >>>> On Jun 2, 2016, at 9:03 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi All, >>> I have a couple of questions regarding SSI. >>> I am going to graduate from LCB in two weeks and moving back home for the >> summer, so I know that I will need to report that I am living back home. >> How far in advance do I need to do this, bearing in mind that my social >> security rep is not the best at answering calls? >>> Secondly, I am going to be moving to my dorm in August. The college that >> I am staying at is only 20 minutes away from home, which means that I can >> always go home on weekends and can come and go as I please. I would >> obviously be staying at home for breaks also. Would I still need to report >> about staying in the dorm? >>> Thanks, >>> Vejas >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freespirit328%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 15 >> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 13:56:10 -0500 >> From: KENNEDY STOMBERG >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI >> Message-ID: <6961FFE7-EF00-4E4B-A453-7022EECEF77B at coe.edu> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> I don't know how Social Security works with the training centers, as I have >> never attended one. >> However, I do know that when I was at home with my parents, and I wasn't >> paying rent, Social Security reduce the amount of money I get each month. >> Just another reason to pay rent to you when you are at home. :-) Plus, as >> Elizabeth pointed out, it demonstrates maturity. :-) >> >> Kennedy Stomberg >> (218)295-2391 >> >>> On Jun 5, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello Kennedy, >>> >>> Thank you for providing this information. It is good to know that Social >>> Security reduces the amount of the check you receive if you are not >>> paying >>> rent. However, as I understand it, most people who attend NFB training >>> centers such as the Louisiana Center for the Blind do not pay rent as >>> this >>> is generally paid as a part of attending an NFB training center. >>> Therefore, >>> I do not see what the difference would be in terms of the amount of >>> Social >>> Security would be. >>> >>> However, with this said, I believe it is a good practice to pay rent as >>> an >>> adult while living with your parents. Even if someone lives nearby on >>> campus, but then comes home on the weekends to do laundry, eat some nice >>> home cooking food, and use the internet while staying the night, these >>> are >>> all expenses that require money, even if someone is just using these >>> services on a limited basis on the weekends. Paying a small amount of >>> rent >>> on a monthly basis will satisfy the rent requirement from Social Security >>> while demonstrating to your parents that you are a responsible adult who >>> is >>> willing to help contribute to household expenses. While this may not >>> automatically mean that your parents will treat you like an adult rather >>> than a child, taking steps in acting like a responsible adult will more >>> likely lead to your parents interacting with you as an adult rather than >>> a >>> child. >>> >>> Anyway, I hope this information is helpful. >>> >>> Warm regards, >>> Elizabeth >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of KENNEDY >>> STOMBERG via NABS-L >>> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 11:44 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Cc: KENNEDY STOMBERG >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI >>> >>> Hello. >>> >>> I didn't report my change of address until after I had arrived. So, if >>> your >>> Social Security representative isn't great at answering phone calls, you >>> can >>> leave a voicemail for them. If they don't get back to you, just keep >>> calling >>> until they answer so you can tell them that you have changed your >>> address. >>> As for living in your dorm, you may still want to report that, especially >>> if >>> you will not be paying rent at your home. This is important, because if >>> you >>> do not pay rent, they may reduce the amount that you get paid. >>> I hope this helps! :-) >>> >>> Kennedy Stomberg >>> (218)295-2391 >>> >>>>> On Jun 2, 2016, at 9:03 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> I have a couple of questions regarding SSI. >>>> I am going to graduate from LCB in two weeks and moving back home for >>>> the >>> summer, so I know that I will need to report that I am living back home. >>> How far in advance do I need to do this, bearing in mind that my social >>> security rep is not the best at answering calls? >>>> Secondly, I am going to be moving to my dorm in August. The college >>>> that >>> I am staying at is only 20 minutes away from home, which means that I can >>> always go home on weekends and can come and go as I please. I would >>> obviously be staying at home for breaks also. Would I still need to >>> report >>> about staying in the dorm? >>>> Thanks, >>>> Vejas >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 16 >> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 13:57:58 -0500 >> From: KENNEDY STOMBERG >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI >> Message-ID: <87A33FD1-78A4-4E90-A96B-1524BE31B99C at coe.edu> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Wow! You got lucky! >> I didn't realize it might depend on the state where you live. That is a good >> point :-) thank you for pointing it out! >> >> Kennedy Stomberg >> (218)295-2391 >> >>> On Jun 5, 2016, at 1:54 PM, Jennifer Aberdeen via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I just wanted to put my two cents in regarding SSI. >>> >>> I think it depends on the state you live in whether your amount gets >>> reduced or not. I started receiving SSI when I turned eighteen, received >>> the full amount while living with my parents and I did not pay rent. I >>> paid for things like telephone and cable, but not rent. >>> >>> Later, I attended the Carroll Center for five months and still received my >>> full amount...I too went home on the weekends though. >>> >>> Now I live in my own apartment and of course pay rent so I get the full >>> amount. >>> >>> Social Security never asked me anything and never said anything to me >>> about where I lived. I live in Rhode Island. Don't know if it makes a >>> difference, but I'm guessing it all depends on which state you live in. >>> >>> Jen >>> -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L >>> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 2:42 PM >>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI >>> >>> Hello Kennedy, >>> >>> Thank you for providing this information. It is good to know that Social >>> Security reduces the amount of the check you receive if you are not >>> paying >>> rent. However, as I understand it, most people who attend NFB training >>> centers such as the Louisiana Center for the Blind do not pay rent as >>> this >>> is generally paid as a part of attending an NFB training center. >>> Therefore, >>> I do not see what the difference would be in terms of the amount of >>> Social >>> Security would be. >>> >>> However, with this said, I believe it is a good practice to pay rent as >>> an >>> adult while living with your parents. Even if someone lives nearby on >>> campus, but then comes home on the weekends to do laundry, eat some nice >>> home cooking food, and use the internet while staying the night, these >>> are >>> all expenses that require money, even if someone is just using these >>> services on a limited basis on the weekends. Paying a small amount of >>> rent >>> on a monthly basis will satisfy the rent requirement from Social Security >>> while demonstrating to your parents that you are a responsible adult who >>> is >>> willing to help contribute to household expenses. While this may not >>> automatically mean that your parents will treat you like an adult rather >>> than a child, taking steps in acting like a responsible adult will more >>> likely lead to your parents interacting with you as an adult rather than >>> a >>> child. >>> >>> Anyway, I hope this information is helpful. >>> >>> Warm regards, >>> Elizabeth >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of KENNEDY >>> STOMBERG via NABS-L >>> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 11:44 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Cc: KENNEDY STOMBERG >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI >>> >>> Hello. >>> >>> I didn't report my change of address until after I had arrived. So, if >>> your >>> Social Security representative isn't great at answering phone calls, you >>> can >>> leave a voicemail for them. If they don't get back to you, just keep >>> calling >>> until they answer so you can tell them that you have changed your >>> address. >>> As for living in your dorm, you may still want to report that, especially >>> if >>> you will not be paying rent at your home. This is important, because if >>> you >>> do not pay rent, they may reduce the amount that you get paid. >>> I hope this helps! :-) >>> >>> Kennedy Stomberg >>> (218)295-2391 >>> >>>>> On Jun 2, 2016, at 9:03 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> I have a couple of questions regarding SSI. >>>> I am going to graduate from LCB in two weeks and moving back home for >>>> the >>> summer, so I know that I will need to report that I am living back home. >>> How far in advance do I need to do this, bearing in mind that my social >>> security rep is not the best at answering calls? >>>> Secondly, I am going to be moving to my dorm in August. The college >>>> that >>> I am staying at is only 20 minutes away from home, which means that I can >>> always go home on weekends and can come and go as I please. I would >>> obviously be staying at home for breaks also. Would I still need to >>> report >>> about staying in the dorm? >>>> Thanks, >>>> Vejas >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freespirit328%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 17 >> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 15:19:00 -0400 >> From: Elizabeth Mohnke >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Hello Jen, >> >> Thank you for providing your experience with Social Security. When I lived >> with my parents, I simply provided them with a monthly rent check to help >> them pay for things like food, utilities, and other household expenses. I >> found this arrangement to work well for me as my parents could use the >> money >> to pay for household expenses as they saw fit while complying with the rent >> requirement for Social Security. However, when there were unexpected >> expenses, or a temporary loss of income to my parents, I would usually chip >> in a little bit more than what was agreed upon for my monthly rent. >> >> In my opinion, there is no such thing as a free lunch, so people need to be >> able to afford the services they use either by paying for them with money >> or >> through some sort of work in exchange for these services. For example, if >> someone is willing to make meals for the entire family while living with >> their parents, I think this is something that should be considered when >> negotiating the amount for a monthly rent given the limited income a person >> receives from Social Security. >> >> However, these are simply my thoughts on this matter, and not everyone may >> agree with them. I simply hope this information is helpful to someone on >> this email list. >> >> Warm regards, >> Elizabeth >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jennifer >> Aberdeen via NABS-L >> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 2:55 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: Jennifer Aberdeen >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI >> >> Hello, >> >> I just wanted to put my two cents in regarding SSI. >> >> I think it depends on the state you live in whether your amount gets >> reduced >> or not. I started receiving SSI when I turned eighteen, received the full >> amount while living with my parents and I did not pay rent. I paid for >> things like telephone and cable, but not rent. >> >> Later, I attended the Carroll Center for five months and still received my >> full amount...I too went home on the weekends though. >> >> Now I live in my own apartment and of course pay rent so I get the full >> amount. >> >> Social Security never asked me anything and never said anything to me about >> where I lived. I live in Rhode Island. Don't know if it makes a difference, >> but I'm guessing it all depends on which state you live in. >> >> Jen >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L >> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 2:42 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI >> >> Hello Kennedy, >> >> Thank you for providing this information. It is good to know that Social >> Security reduces the amount of the check you receive if you are not paying >> rent. However, as I understand it, most people who attend NFB training >> centers such as the Louisiana Center for the Blind do not pay rent as this >> is generally paid as a part of attending an NFB training center. Therefore, >> I do not see what the difference would be in terms of the amount of Social >> Security would be. >> >> However, with this said, I believe it is a good practice to pay rent as an >> adult while living with your parents. Even if someone lives nearby on >> campus, but then comes home on the weekends to do laundry, eat some nice >> home cooking food, and use the internet while staying the night, these are >> all expenses that require money, even if someone is just using these >> services on a limited basis on the weekends. Paying a small amount of rent >> on a monthly basis will satisfy the rent requirement from Social Security >> while demonstrating to your parents that you are a responsible adult who is >> willing to help contribute to household expenses. While this may not >> automatically mean that your parents will treat you like an adult rather >> than a child, taking steps in acting like a responsible adult will more >> likely lead to your parents interacting with you as an adult rather than a >> child. >> >> Anyway, I hope this information is helpful. >> >> Warm regards, >> Elizabeth >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of KENNEDY >> STOMBERG via NABS-L >> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 11:44 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: KENNEDY STOMBERG >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI >> >> Hello. >> >> I didn't report my change of address until after I had arrived. So, if your >> Social Security representative isn't great at answering phone calls, you >> can >> leave a voicemail for them. If they don't get back to you, just keep >> calling >> until they answer so you can tell them that you have changed your address. >> As for living in your dorm, you may still want to report that, especially >> if >> you will not be paying rent at your home. This is important, because if you >> do not pay rent, they may reduce the amount that you get paid. >> I hope this helps! :-) >> >> Kennedy Stomberg >> (218)295-2391 >> >>>> On Jun 2, 2016, at 9:03 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi All, >>> I have a couple of questions regarding SSI. >>> I am going to graduate from LCB in two weeks and moving back home for >>> the >> summer, so I know that I will need to report that I am living back home. >> How far in advance do I need to do this, bearing in mind that my social >> security rep is not the best at answering calls? >>> Secondly, I am going to be moving to my dorm in August. The college >>> that >> I am staying at is only 20 minutes away from home, which means that I can >> always go home on weekends and can come and go as I please. I would >> obviously be staying at home for breaks also. Would I still need to report >> about staying in the dorm? >>> Thanks, >>> Vejas >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.e >>> du >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freespirit328%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 18 >> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 21:05:29 -0400 >> From: "Joe" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Back for a Seeing Eye Dog, One Year Later >> Message-ID: <000301d1bf8f$85281480$8f783d80$@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> You guys remember my controversial post about guide dogs? 5 reasons why >> it's >> a terrible idea? Well, here's a sequel of sorts. Life one year later, >> primarily aimed at anyone still weighing the pros and cons of getting a >> guide dog: >> >> *** >> >> What's it like to use a Seeing Eye dog? Think of it this way: >> >> You close your eyes and take the elbow of a well-known person willing to >> guide you around tables, chairs, out the door, across the street, down the >> stairs and along a platform until you find the door to a train car where >> this traveling companion can be trusted to help you find an open seat. And >> your trust is absolute because between the ears of this human companion you >> know there is an intelligent brain capable of negotiating obstacles, >> anticipating danger and prioritizing safety. >> >> But, that's a human. Would you put the same level of trust in an animal? >> Even a highly trained canine? >> >> The Decision Process >> >> I first went to The Seeing Eye in the summer of 2004 to get my first dog, a >> two-year-old German shepherd named Gator. We worked together until the >> winter of 2012. He worked until I had to put him down, because the >> abdominal >> cancer had grown too large for anything to be done about it. Never mind >> that >> his health results had come back clean only six weeks prior. >> >> Read the rest of the article here: >> >> http://joeorozco.com/blog_back_for_a_seeing_eye_dog_one_year_later >> >> Joe >> >> -- >> Musings of a Work in Progress: >> www.JoeOrozco.com/ >> >> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 19 >> Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 20:05:46 -0500 >> From: David Andrews >> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Braille Sense u2 32 cell for sale >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >> >> >>> >>> One gently used 32 cell Braille Sense u2 for sale. The unit comes >>> with an English and Spanish Dictionary, and an Executive Products >>> leather case, and the charger. >>> Asking $2700. Shipping and handling is included if in the united states. >>> If interested, please e-mail me at dravant at ameritech.net. >>> Thank you. >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 20 >> Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2016 07:54:47 -0400 >> From: Sami Osborne >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI >> Message-ID: <0O8C009QHMFWW640 at vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Hi Elizabeth, >> >> Wow. I never knew that you were required to pay rent with Social >> Secuy. I'm not required to do this. Do yink that this may >> have changed from when you applied to when I did? Or does it >> depend on the state? I still get the full amount of SSI benefits >> even though I'm at the training center and have my parent's >> address as my address for Social Security. I live in NY. >> Also, I have always been fine; my Social Security office has >> never confronted me about what I do with my checks, and never >> told me anything about being required to pay rent. Like you, I >> also transfer my monthly benefits to my parent's bankccount so >> that they would have enough money to pay for what they need. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Sami >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> > Date sent: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 15:19:00 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI >> >> Hello Jen, >> >> Thank you for providing your experience with Social Security. >> When I lived >> with my parents, I simply provided them with a monthly rent check >> to help >> them pay for things like food, utilities, and other household >> expenses. I >> found this arrangement to work well for me as my parents could >> use the money >> to pay for household expenses as they saw fit while complying >> with the rent >> requirement for Social Security. However, when there were >> unexpected >> expenses, or a temporary loss of income to my parents, I would >> usually chip >> in a little bit more than what was agreed upon for my monthly >> rent. >> >> In my opinion, there is no such thing as a free lunch, so people >> need to be >> able to afford the services they use either by paying for them >> with money or >> through some sort of work in exchange for these services. For >> example, if >> someone is willing to make meals for the entire family while >> living with >> their parents, I think this is something that should be >> considered when >> negotiating the amount for a monthly rent given the limited >> income a person >> receives from Social Security. >> >> However, these are simply my thoughts on this matter, and not >> everyone may >> agree with them. I simply hope this information is helpful to >> someone on >> this email list. >> >> Warm regards, >> Elizabeth >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >> Jennifer >> Aberdeen via NABS-L >> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 2:55 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Cc: Jennifer Aberdeen > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI >> >> Hello, >> >> I just wanted to put my two cents in regarding SSI. >> >> I think it depends on the state you live in whether your amount >> gets reduced >> or not. I started receiving SSI when I turned eighteen, received >> the full >> amount while living with my parents and I did not pay rent. I >> paid for >> things like telephone and cable, but not rent. >> >> Later, I attended the Carroll Center for five months and still >> received my >> full amount...I too went home on the weekends though. >> >> Now I live in my own apartment and of course pay rent so I get >> the full >> amount. >> >> Social Security never asked me anything and never said anything >> to me about >> where I lived. I live in Rhode Island. Don't know if it makes a >> difference, >> but I'm guessing it all depends on which state you live in. >> >> Jen >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L >> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 2:42 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI >> >> Hello Kennedy, >> >> Thank you for providing this information. It is good to know >> that Social >> Security reduces the amount of the check you receive if you are >> not paying >> rent. However, as I understand it, most people who attend NFB >> training >> centers such as the Louisiana Center for the Blind do not pay >> rent as this >> is generally paid as a part of attending an NFB training center. >> Therefore, >> I do not see what the difference would be in terms of the amount >> of Social >> Security would be. >> >> However, with this said, I believe it is a good practice to pay >> rent as an >> adult while living with your parents. Even if someone lives >> nearby on >> campus, but then comes home on the weekends to do laundry, eat >> some nice >> home cooking food, and use the internet while staying the night, >> these are >> all expenses that require money, even if someone is just using >> these >> services on a limited basis on the weekends. Paying a small >> amount of rent >> on a monthly basis will satisfy the rent requirement from Social >> Security >> while demonstrating to your parents that you are a responsible >> adult who is >> willing to help contribute to household expenses. While this may >> not >> automatically mean that your parents will treat you like an adult >> rather >> than a child, taking steps in acting like a responsible adult >> will more >> likely lead to your parents interacting with you as an adult >> rather than a >> child. >> >> Anyway, I hope this information is helpful. >> >> Warm regards, >> Elizabeth >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >> KENNEDY >> STOMBERG via NABS-L >> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 11:44 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Cc: KENNEDY STOMBERG > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about SSI >> >> Hello. >> >> I didn't report my change of address until after I had arrived. >> So, if your >> Social Security representative isn't great at answering phone >> calls, you can >> leave a voicemail for them. If they don't get back to you, just >> keep calling >> until they answer so you can tell them that you have changed your >> address. >> As for living in your dorm, you may still want to report that, >> especially if >> you will not be paying rent at your home. This is important, >> because if you >> do not pay rent, they may reduce the amount that you get paid. >> I hope this helps! :-) >> >> Kennedy Stomberg >> (218)295-2391 >> >> On Jun 2, 2016, at 9:03 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> I have a couple of questions regarding SSI. >> I am going to graduate from LCB in two weeks and moving back >> home for >> the >> summer, so I know that I will need to report that I am living >> back home. >> How far in advance do I need to do this, bearing in mind that my >> social >> security rep is not the best at answering calls? >> Secondly, I am going to be moving to my dorm in August. The >> college >> that >> I am staying at is only 20 minutes away from home, which means >> that I can >> always go home on weekends and can come and go as I please. I >> would >> obviously be staying at home for breaks also. Would I still need >> to report >> about staying in the dorm? >> Thanks, >> Vejas >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> NABS-L: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40 >> coe.e >> du >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40h >> otmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freespirit328 >> %40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >> software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40h >> otmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ligne14%40ver >> izon.net >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 21 >> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 11:09:20 -0400 >> From: "Kathryn Webster" >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Michael Ausbun for NABS Secretary >> Message-ID: <02c601d1c0ce$920fa5b0$b62ef110$@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> All, >> >> Michael is a passionate, level-headed, driven, and positive leader, >> scholar, and friend. This past year, I was fortunate enough to have Michael >> as the co-chair of the Fundraising Committee for the National Association >> of >> Blind Students. His work on both the NABS Board, as well as with his state >> affiliate and others he partners with, is influential to all. As the >> current >> NABS Secretary, I am confident in Michael's abilities to effectively >> communicate to our members, our leaders, and perspective members of the >> national Federation of the Blind. Michael is punctual, mindful, and >> dedicated, while holding those accountable and holding himself accountable. >> His commitment does not stop there. Recently, Michael has taken on a >> position as a Summer Intern at our national headquarters, the National >> Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute, and will gain valuable >> information that, I'm certain, will develop him even further as a strong >> leader on our student division board. >> >> As Fundraising Chair, I have worked closely with Michael to reach the >> various goals we set forth last July. Thinking back over the past ten >> months >> of working, Michael has brought realistic ideas to the table, while >> reaching >> outside the box. Michael is quiet, yet outspoken. His creative balanced >> well >> with my analytical and logical mind. We were a great team and I look >> forward >> to continuing the work we have done; and forwarding our movement for all >> blind students. >> >> With just three weeks until Convention, I am asking each of you to consider >> Michael as an incredible candidate with promising leadership and potential. >> I know I will be voting for him as NABS Secretary on Friday, July 1, and I >> hope you will be, too! >> >> See you in Orlando, >> Kathryn Webster >> Secretary/Treasurer | National Association of Blind Students >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael D >> Ausbun via NABS-L >> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 12:51 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: Michael D Ausbun >> Subject: [nabs-l] Michael Ausbun for NABS Secretary >> >> Howdy Nabsters: >> My name is Michael Ausbun, and I am a senior at the University of >> Nevada, studying Philosophy, Political Science, Communication studies, and >> anthropology. I am writing today, in order to declare my intent to run for >> the National Association of Blind Student's Secretary Position. For the >> past >> two years, I have served in a variety of secretarial positions, including >> secretary of the Nevada Association of Blind Students, the Blue Key honor >> Society, The Students Abolishing Sex-Slavery at the University of Nevada >> club, and the Kappa Sigma Fraternity, Tau-Gamma chapter. >> Additionally, I have served this past year on the NABS board as one >> of our four board members, and as the first vice president of the Nevada >> Affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind; and therefore, I have >> observed what it takes to successfully implement the duties of the >> secretary >> position at the state and national levels. Truly, having the honor to guide >> and advise students as they traverse the path to transform their dreams >> into >> reality has been one of the best moments over this past year, and, I hope >> that I will be granted the opportunity to continue doing the work that is >> critical for creating, and developing, equity for blind students across the >> country. >> If you have questions about the individualized projects I have thought up >> concerning both the secretary position and nabs as a whole, please do not >> hesitate to ask! I look forward to visiting with many of you that I have >> had >> the pleasure of meeting at National convention, and for those I have not >> met >> yet, I am excited to establish lifetime friendships! >> Yours in the movement, >> Michael Ausbun >> Board member, National Association of Blind Students Secretary, Nevada >> Association of Blind Students First Vice President, National Federation of >> the Blind of Nevada >> >> "The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the >> characteristic that defines you, or your future. Every day we raise the >> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles >> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; >> blindness is not what holds you back. Together with love, hope, and >> determination, we transform dreams into reality." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kathrynwebster.nfb%40gma >> il.com >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 22 >> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 11:32:38 -0400 >> From: Julie McGinnity >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Michael Ausbun for NABS Secretary >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> Hi all, >> >> I am currently working with Michael at the NFB Jernigan Institute as a >> summer intern. To give you an idea, he was at the office this morning >> at 7:25 AM, even though we are not required to be here until 8:00. He >> is a dedicated worker, helpful to those of us who tend to struggle >> with our technology, and cares deeply for the movement. As a division >> president myself, I can say that I would be thrilled to work with >> Michael as a colleague on a leadership team. So, NABS, we had better >> elect Michael as secretary, or the Performing Arts Division may just >> adopt him... :) >> >> Looking forward to seeing many of you at convention! >> >> P.S. Don't forget to check out the Performing Arts Division >> activities, which do not conflict with NABS events this year! >> >>> On 6/7/16, Kathryn Webster via NABS-L wrote: >>> All, >>> >>> Michael is a passionate, level-headed, driven, and positive leader, >>> scholar, and friend. This past year, I was fortunate enough to have >>> Michael >>> as the co-chair of the Fundraising Committee for the National Association >>> of >>> Blind Students. His work on both the NABS Board, as well as with his >>> state >>> affiliate and others he partners with, is influential to all. As the >>> current >>> NABS Secretary, I am confident in Michael's abilities to effectively >>> communicate to our members, our leaders, and perspective members of the >>> national Federation of the Blind. Michael is punctual, mindful, and >>> dedicated, while holding those accountable and holding himself >>> accountable. >>> His commitment does not stop there. Recently, Michael has taken on a >>> position as a Summer Intern at our national headquarters, the National >>> Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute, and will gain valuable >>> information that, I'm certain, will develop him even further as a strong >>> leader on our student division board. >>> >>> As Fundraising Chair, I have worked closely with Michael to reach the >>> various goals we set forth last July. Thinking back over the past ten >>> months >>> of working, Michael has brought realistic ideas to the table, while >>> reaching >>> outside the box. Michael is quiet, yet outspoken. His creative balanced >>> well >>> with my analytical and logical mind. We were a great team and I look >>> forward >>> to continuing the work we have done; and forwarding our movement for all >>> blind students. >>> >>> With just three weeks until Convention, I am asking each of you to >>> consider >>> Michael as an incredible candidate with promising leadership and >>> potential. >>> I know I will be voting for him as NABS Secretary on Friday, July 1, and >>> I >>> hope you will be, too! >>> >>> See you in Orlando, >>> Kathryn Webster >>> Secretary/Treasurer | National Association of Blind Students >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael D >>> Ausbun via NABS-L >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 12:51 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Cc: Michael D Ausbun >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Michael Ausbun for NABS Secretary >>> >>> Howdy Nabsters: >>> My name is Michael Ausbun, and I am a senior at the University of >>> Nevada, studying Philosophy, Political Science, Communication studies, >>> and >>> anthropology. I am writing today, in order to declare my intent to run >>> for >>> the National Association of Blind Student's Secretary Position. For the >>> past >>> two years, I have served in a variety of secretarial positions, including >>> secretary of the Nevada Association of Blind Students, the Blue Key honor >>> Society, The Students Abolishing Sex-Slavery at the University of Nevada >>> club, and the Kappa Sigma Fraternity, Tau-Gamma chapter. >>> Additionally, I have served this past year on the NABS board as one >>> of our four board members, and as the first vice president of the Nevada >>> Affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind; and therefore, I have >>> observed what it takes to successfully implement the duties of the >>> secretary >>> position at the state and national levels. Truly, having the honor to >>> guide >>> and advise students as they traverse the path to transform their dreams >>> into >>> reality has been one of the best moments over this past year, and, I hope >>> that I will be granted the opportunity to continue doing the work that is >>> critical for creating, and developing, equity for blind students across >>> the >>> country. >>> If you have questions about the individualized projects I have thought up >>> concerning both the secretary position and nabs as a whole, please do not >>> hesitate to ask! I look forward to visiting with many of you that I have >>> had >>> the pleasure of meeting at National convention, and for those I have not >>> met >>> yet, I am excited to establish lifetime friendships! >>> Yours in the movement, >>> Michael Ausbun >>> Board member, National Association of Blind Students Secretary, Nevada >>> Association of Blind Students First Vice President, National Federation >>> of >>> the Blind of Nevada >>> >>> "The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the >>> characteristic that defines you, or your future. Every day we raise the >>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles >>> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; >>> blindness is not what holds you back. Together with love, hope, and >>> determination, we transform dreams into reality." >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kathrynwebster.nfb%40gma >>> il.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >> >> >> -- >> Julie A. McGinnity >> President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division, >> Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri >> "For we walk by faith, not by sight" >> 2 Cor. 7 >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 23 >> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 10:01:01 -0600 >> From: annajee82 at gmail.com >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] NABS board position >> Message-ID: <631331E6-83C1-476F-9741-8D337796DE02 at gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Hi NABS, >> >> My name is Anna Givens. I currently attend the University of Colorado in >> Denver, studying Biology and Neuroscience. Among other things. i have been >> involved with the National Federation of the Blind for a few years now. I >> currently serve as the President of the Colorado Association of Blind >> Students. Since I have become President of this state wide division, I have >> had the pleasure of working with my team to do some rebuilding and >> membership strengthening and we have seen some growth just in the last few >> months already. We've had some exciting events and very informative seminars >> as well. It has been an excellent experience getting to work with students >> and with the affiliate in this capacity. Besides this work. I have worked >> with many blind students in different areas. I have set up meetings with >> blind students at my school to see what challenges they may be facing and >> find a way to help them face these things. I have talked to many students at >> the Colorado Center for the Blind where I graduated from a few years back. >> This has given me the opportunity to learn about the challenges of a wide >> variety of the blind population. I have presented them with information and >> made efforts to get these students involved in important work of the >> Federation. I speak to a number of groups about current legislation, >> accommodating blind students, and advocacy. >> I am also particularly passionate about helping blind people gain access to >> science. This is a challenge many students face and there is no reason for >> it. I have done some teaching to blind students in science to not only help >> them understand the material but also learn new non-visual techniques. I >> work a lot with the Colorado Center for the Blind as well. I often >> participate in activities teaching or working with blind children in various >> capacities in order for them to have positive experiences and learn >> blindness related skills. I go to Colorado Springs to mentor middle and high >> school students every month. I would say mentoring is my favorite part of my >> work. Watching people grow and learn and being a part of that is entirely >> worth all the work I do! >> I have started to expand my work to Teachers of Blind Children to make sure >> students are properly prepared for college and life beyond school. >> These are the main things I do specifically for blind people. >> In other areas, I am involved with programs like the Community Nutrition >> Network that promote and educate people on health and nutrition to prevent >> disease. >> I also am involved with the Chemistry and Biology Club. One of my favorite >> things we do is going to middle schools to assist students in dissections or >> other lab procedures. I have been involved in some faculty education, >> providing education on working with students with disabilities on campus. >> I enjoy participating in Help for the Homeless too, in food drives, clothing >> give aways and other service. Community service in general is something I >> find extremely important. >> >> Additionally, I am honored to be attending this year's national convention >> as an NFB of Colorado scholarship winner. Now, I am looking to expand my >> leadership opportunities in order to continue the work we are doing. I have >> been working with many members of the NABS board throughout the last few >> years and have participated in leadership seminars to help develop and share >> my leadership strategies. I would like to ask for your support in obtaining >> a board member position with NABS. I am excited about the opportunity and am >> really looking forward to working with even more students and making a >> difference in their lives. It is such a pleasure to know each of you, >> whether I've officially met you or not. I sincerely look forward to meeting >> many more of you at the end of this month in Orlando. >> >> Please reach out to me with any questions you may have. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Anna E Givens >> >> >> >> >> >> Anna E Givens >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 24 >> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 19:26:51 -0600 >> From: annajee82 at gmail.com >> To: Cabs Listserv , nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [blindkid] Seeking help from students in grades >> 4 through 12 at convention >> Message-ID: <7E037865-996E-4FE4-84C4-33549DFF8B02 at gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Here is a good opportunity for students. >> >> Anna E Givens >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> From: "Yingling, Valerie via blindkid" >>> Date: June 8, 2016 at 1:58:36 PM MDT >>> To: "'blindkid at nfbnet.org'" >>> Cc: "Yingling, Valerie" >>> Subject: [blindkid] Seeking help from students in grades 4 through 12 at >>> convention >>> Reply-To: "Blind Kid Mailing List, \(for parents of blind children\)" >>> >>> >>> The NFB is seeking blind and low-vision students who completed grades 4 >>> through 12 this year to help with Pearson user testing at convention. >>> Students should be at or near grade level. Participants will receive gift >>> cards and will help with the development of accessible digital tools and >>> content. Visit the recruitment >>> tool to participate, or contact >>> Valerie Yingling with questions: >>> vyingling at nfb.org. >>> >>> Valerie Yingling >>> Paralegal >>> National Federation of the Blind >>> (410) 659-9314, extension 2440 >>> Vyingling at nfb.org >>> >>> Disclaimer >>> >>> The information contained in this communication from the sender is >>> confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others >>> authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby >>> notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in >>> relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and >>> may be unlawful. >>> >>> This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been >>> automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a >>> Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for >>> your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and >>> compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindkid mailing list >>> blindkid at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindkid_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindkid: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindkid_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 25 >> Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 09:49:30 -0400 >> From: Roanna Bacchus >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS board position >> Message-ID: <57597417.41f30d0a.1d8ad.057b at mx.google.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Hi Anna thanks for your message. I hope you get this position. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 26 >> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 18:35:54 +0000 >> From: "Yingling, Valerie" >> To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" >> Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking students who have completed Algebra 1 to >> help with Pearson user testing at convention >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> As a part of the NFB's work with Pearson, we are helping to recruit >> participants for Pearson's user studies during the NFB convention. We are >> really excited about this opportunity and need to try to recruit as many >> qualified participants as possible. >> We are seeking students who completed Algebra 1 or a higher level math class >> this past school year to help with the user testing. Students should be at >> or near grade level and should be screen access software users and/or >> Braille and Nemeth readers. Participants will receive gift cards and will >> help with the development of accessible digital tools and content. Visit the >> recruitment tool (https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/NFB18over) to participate, >> or contact Valerie Yingling with questions: >> vyingling at nfb.org. >> >> Disclaimer >> >> The information contained in this communication from the sender is >> confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others >> authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby >> notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in >> relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may >> be unlawful. >> >> This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been >> automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a >> Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for >> your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and >> compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 27 >> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 15:41:33 -0700 >> From: Cindy Bennett >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] Scholarship for students with disabilities pursuing >> careers in communications, media, or entertainment >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Scott Bellman >> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 14:11:33 -0700 (PDT) >> Subject: [AccessSTEM] AAPD Scholarship - deadline July 1, 2016 >> To: accessstem at u.washington.edu >> >> >> AAPD is offering scholarships to students with disabilities this year. >> >> More information here: >> >> www.aapd.com/nbcuniversal-tony-coelho-media-scholarship-program/ >> >> Regards, >> >> Scott Bellman >> DO-IT Program Manager >> UW Information Technology >> DO-IT (www.washington.edu/doit) >> University of Washington, Box 354842 >> Seattle, WA 98195 206-685-6222 206-685-3648(TTY) >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AccessSTEM mailing list >> AccessSTEM at u.washington.edu >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/accessstem >> >> >> >> -- >> Cindy Bennett >> 2nd Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington >> Human Centered Design and Engineering >> >> Treasurer of the National Federation of the Blind of Washington >> an Affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind >> >> clb5590 at gmail.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 28 >> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 19:13:14 -0500 >> From: "Syed Rizvi " >> To: >> Subject: [nabs-l] Vote Syed Rizvi for Second Vice President of the >> National Association of Blind Students >> Message-ID: <004901d1c2ac$e2dbbcb0$a8933610$@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Good evening my Federation family, >> >> >> >> I hope this message finds you well. >> >> My name is Syed Rizvi and I am the President of the Massachusetts >> Association of Blind Students, the National Federation of the Blind of >> Massachusetts student division. I was brought to America by my parents when >> I was two years old with high hopes of having a brighter future. I have >> struggled with my degenerative vision since I was five years old; and have >> since been constantly in search of answers, guidance, and support. While I >> was confident in my intelligence, my lack of knowledge in regards to >> nonvisual methods of doing my work compelled me to fall behind my sighted >> counterparts. I desperately wanted success. My parents believed in me, my >> siblings supported me, and my friends treated me just like everyone else. >> Still, I worked ten times harder than those around me to achieve the same >> accomplishments. >> >> >> >> Two years ago, I attended my first event hosted by the National Federation >> of the Blind, a Massachusetts student social in Boston. I quickly, if not >> instantaneously, realized that finally, God had answered all my prayers. >> Surrounding me were all these students living the lives they wanted without >> blindness holding them back. Without hesitation, I immediately immersed >> myself with new friends and, in creating relationships, began to work to >> further the movement of the National Federation of the Blind. I adopted >> more >> responsibilities in terms of leadership and collaboration. My growth did >> not >> stop there, and will never cease as I continue to embrace our positive >> blindness philosophy. >> >> >> >> To ensure that blindness would no longer deter me from pursuing my >> aspirations and to solidify my philosophy, I halted my undergraduate >> college >> career, left my home of 17 years, quit my job, and flew over a thousand >> miles to Ruston, Louisiana. There, I attended blindness training at the >> Louisiana Center for the Blind, perhaps the greatest decision I have ever >> made. Alongside Federation leaders, newcomers, and mentors, I learned from >> passionate individuals in order for me to flourish in any path I decide to >> follow. >> >> >> >> After graduating from LCB on May 23, I returned home with a newfound >> understanding of the abilities of all blind people. This summer, I will be >> working for the Director of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) in >> Massachusetts to ensure that section 504 and section 508 of the >> rehabilitation act are properly enforced in our commonwealth. This fall, I >> will be venturing down to Texas start my journey as an Accounting student >> at >> the University of Texas at Austin. >> >> >> >> It was at the 75th annual national convention that I first found out about >> NFB training centers and the Student Division of the National Federation of >> the Blind. It was there that I eagerly signed up to work for every NABS >> committee in order to fully understand how our organization operates. For >> the past year, I have been working diligently alongside national student >> leaders. My fellow blind students, we have so much work that must be done >> to >> ensure we have equal access in higher education and in the workforce. I >> would not be where I am today without the support received from my >> Federation mentors, and I am sure that holds true for most of you as well. >> The relationships I've formed with current NABS leadership, as well as my >> state affiliate and other state student divisions demonstrates my >> dedication >> and passion for what we are fighting for each day. >> >> >> >> On Friday, July 1 , I will be running for the >> position of 2nd Vice President of the National Association of Blind >> Students. Now, I am asking for your support. Each and every vote counts as, >> together, we shift the leadership, refine initiatives, and initiate novel >> projects and ideas for the betterment of our community. I promise to >> continue my efforts as your 2nd VP; and to be open to suggestions, >> concerns, >> and ideas as we continue to build the National Federation of the Blind. >> >> >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Syed Rizvi >> >> President | Massachusetts Association of Blind Students >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 29 >> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 17:15:21 -0700 >> From: Bryan Duarte >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Vote Syed Rizvi for Second Vice President of the >> National Association of Blind Students >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Syed, >> >> You have my vote all day!!!! >> >> Go Devils! >> >> Bryan Duarte software engineer >> ASU Computer Science Ph.D candidate >> QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/ >> >> ?let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing >> away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks >> nothing; God alone suffices.? >> -- St. Teresa of Avila >> >>> On Jun 9, 2016, at 5:13 PM, Syed Rizvi via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> Good evening my Federation family, >>> >>> >>> >>> I hope this message finds you well. >>> >>> My name is Syed Rizvi and I am the President of the Massachusetts >>> Association of Blind Students, the National Federation of the Blind of >>> Massachusetts student division. I was brought to America by my parents >>> when >>> I was two years old with high hopes of having a brighter future. I have >>> struggled with my degenerative vision since I was five years old; and >>> have >>> since been constantly in search of answers, guidance, and support. While >>> I >>> was confident in my intelligence, my lack of knowledge in regards to >>> nonvisual methods of doing my work compelled me to fall behind my sighted >>> counterparts. I desperately wanted success. My parents believed in me, my >>> siblings supported me, and my friends treated me just like everyone else. >>> Still, I worked ten times harder than those around me to achieve the same >>> accomplishments. >>> >>> >>> >>> Two years ago, I attended my first event hosted by the National >>> Federation >>> of the Blind, a Massachusetts student social in Boston. I quickly, if not >>> instantaneously, realized that finally, God had answered all my prayers. >>> Surrounding me were all these students living the lives they wanted >>> without >>> blindness holding them back. Without hesitation, I immediately immersed >>> myself with new friends and, in creating relationships, began to work to >>> further the movement of the National Federation of the Blind. I adopted >>> more >>> responsibilities in terms of leadership and collaboration. My growth did >>> not >>> stop there, and will never cease as I continue to embrace our positive >>> blindness philosophy. >>> >>> >>> >>> To ensure that blindness would no longer deter me from pursuing my >>> aspirations and to solidify my philosophy, I halted my undergraduate >>> college >>> career, left my home of 17 years, quit my job, and flew over a thousand >>> miles to Ruston, Louisiana. There, I attended blindness training at the >>> Louisiana Center for the Blind, perhaps the greatest decision I have ever >>> made. Alongside Federation leaders, newcomers, and mentors, I learned >>> from >>> passionate individuals in order for me to flourish in any path I decide >>> to >>> follow. >>> >>> >>> >>> After graduating from LCB on May 23, I returned home with a newfound >>> understanding of the abilities of all blind people. This summer, I will >>> be >>> working for the Director of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) in >>> Massachusetts to ensure that section 504 and section 508 of the >>> rehabilitation act are properly enforced in our commonwealth. This fall, >>> I >>> will be venturing down to Texas start my journey as an Accounting student >>> at >>> the University of Texas at Austin. >>> >>> >>> >>> It was at the 75th annual national convention that I first found out >>> about >>> NFB training centers and the Student Division of the National Federation >>> of >>> the Blind. It was there that I eagerly signed up to work for every NABS >>> committee in order to fully understand how our organization operates. For >>> the past year, I have been working diligently alongside national student >>> leaders. My fellow blind students, we have so much work that must be done >>> to >>> ensure we have equal access in higher education and in the workforce. I >>> would not be where I am today without the support received from my >>> Federation mentors, and I am sure that holds true for most of you as >>> well. >>> The relationships I've formed with current NABS leadership, as well as my >>> state affiliate and other state student divisions demonstrates my >>> dedication >>> and passion for what we are fighting for each day. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Friday, July 1 , I will be running for >>> the >>> position of 2nd Vice President of the National Association of Blind >>> Students. Now, I am asking for your support. Each and every vote counts >>> as, >>> together, we shift the leadership, refine initiatives, and initiate novel >>> projects and ideas for the betterment of our community. I promise to >>> continue my efforts as your 2nd VP; and to be open to suggestions, >>> concerns, >>> and ideas as we continue to build the National Federation of the Blind. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Syed Rizvi >>> >>> President | Massachusetts Association of Blind Students >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bjduarte%40asu.edu >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 30 >> Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 21:32:21 -0500 >> From: David Andrews >> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] Room >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >> >> >>> >>> From: hannahgf88 at gmail.com >>> Subject: Email request >>> Could you please send this email out to the list I have not sent it to? >>> >>> National Federation of the Blind National Convention >>> >>> Hi. We have one spot left in our room. Looking for a non-smoker, >>> nonparty person, and be OK with dogs. Let me know if you're >>> interested. Feel free to email me at >>> hannahgf88 at gmail.com. >>> >>> Hannah Furney >>> >>> Hannah Furney >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 31 >> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 08:03:01 -0400 >> From: Roanna Bacchus >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Vote Syed Rizvi for Second Vice President of the >> NationalAssociation of Blind Students >> Message-ID: <575aaca4.455b810a.9bd2a.ffffc473 at mx.google.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Hi Sidhe thanks for your message. I lived in Boston before >> moving to Florida a few years ago. I hope you win this position. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of NABS-L Digest, Vol 116, Issue 2 >> ************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lily2011a% From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com Sun Jun 26 22:24:36 2016 From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 18:24:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Join the NABS Board on our Membership Call tonight at 7pm eastern! Message-ID: <014701d1cff9$86138e90$923aabb0$@gmail.com> Students, Thanks to Membership Chairperson Candice Chapman, the NABS Board will be introducing ourselves, sharing our experiences as members on the board, and answering any questions you may have. Tonight, at 7pm eastern, we'd love to hear from you! Call 605-475-6700; access code 7869673. See y'all in Orlando soon! Best, Kathryn Webster From kmaent1 at gmail.com Mon Jun 27 11:18:58 2016 From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 07:18:58 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A Few Unrelated Questions Message-ID: <57710bd0.8437810a.3ebc0.ffff8b49@mx.google.com> Hi Elizabeth, I took environmental geology a couple years ago, and the only accommodation I had especially for that class on top of those I get for all classes like taking the exams with a reader and getting the powerpoints ahead of time was to have an assistent for the labs. I'd be happy to talk to you more about this class off list if you like, . HTH, Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L > >A T Guys, your home for affordable gadgets and >mobile accessories, is pleased to once again >offer preorders for this year's NFB convention. >We're excited to be returning to the Rosen >Shingle Creek for this year's NFB convention in >Orlando. Save time in the exhibit hall by >placing a preorder now and picking up your item >at the booth. Use coupon code nfb16 at checkout >at our website at atguys.com to apply the NFB >coupon. Then, pick up your item at booths B19 >and B20 during exhibit hall hours. We'll make >sure we have your order available for pickup, so >you do not have to pay for shipping! Preorders >are available for most items we carry. >We've included content from our latest >newsletter below which covers the items we'll >have available at our booths this year. If you >have any questions, please Email >support at atguys.com or call us at (269) 216-4798. 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If we are not able to bring an item >to convention, we will let you know and ship it to you for free. > > >have questions? Comments? As always, we'd love to hear from you. > >Phone: (269) 216-4798 >Skype: atguys >E-mail: support at atguys.com >Follow Us on Twitter @atguys >Like Us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/atguys > From dandrews at visi.com Mon Jun 27 14:46:12 2016 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 09:46:12 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NFBNJ: Two Rooms Available At The Rosen Shingle Creek Message-ID: >From: "joe ruffalo" >To: "dave andrews" , "joe ruffalo" >Subject: Dave Please Distribute Fw: NFBNJ: Two Rooms Available At The Rosen > Shingle Creek >Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 22:58:07 -0400 > >Greetings Dave! >Please distribute to all list serves. >Thanks. >Joe Ruffalo, President >NFBNJ > >** > >Subject: NFBNJ: Two Rooms Available At The Rosen Shingle Creek > > >Greetings! >Please review and share with others. >Joe Ruffalo, President >NFBNJ > >** > >NFBNJ member, Kathy Gabry has informed me that two hotel rooms from >Thursday, June 30 with a departure of Wednesday, July 6 are available at the >Rosen Shingle Creek. >Please contact Kathy at the following: >phone: 201 998 9427 >email: specialk38 at aol.com >Text: 201 978 5827 > >She will cancel the rooms late Monday, June 27 and therefore, please don't >hesitate. >remember, Kathy resides in New Jersey,eastern time zone. > >We care. We share. We grow. We make a difference >Joe Ruffalo, President >National Federation of the Blind of New Jersey >973 743 0075 >nfbnj1 at verizon.net >Your old car keys can be keys to literacy for the blind. >Donate your unwanted vehicle to us by clicking >www.carshelpingtheblind.org >or call 855 659 9314 From djackson at BISM.org Mon Jun 27 17:16:38 2016 From: djackson at BISM.org (Dezman Jackson) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 17:16:38 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Training Center Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <664916DD3FF58F45BF6F434E6676E7FB881E62B5@BLINDEXCHANGE.BISM.com> Hello all, I've enjoyed reading all of the responses to Julie's survey. All good points raised. As for my experience with adult blindness training, growing up, I gained quite decent skills in Braille, mobility, technology, and to some degree, skills of independent living. This being said, I decided to attend an NFB center shortly after finishing my undergraduate degree. While I did find the intensive practice and application of the aforementioned skills beneficial, I would say that the confidence-building aspect for me was the most valuable. That is, being mentored by other successful blind role models, rubbing shoulders with other trainees and exchanging ideas and just being expected to truly put the skills of blindness to use on a daily basis, all which I did not always experience beforehand. That being said, I'm not sure that I could say that my sighted siblings or many my other 22-year-old bachelor friends could make bread from scratch or a meal for 40 people at that time. I ask the question, for some people, is a 6 to 9 month program necessary to gain adequate skills in this area or would some motivation and some hints on adaptive techniques along with the other ways folks learn cooking skills work just fine? I ask the same questions of the other skill areas. As with other individuals, is there a correlation between a blind person's fondness for technology and there skill level? Would a foundation in access technology put to use in a mainstream computer applications class be just what's needed to learn Microsoft Office? I think what's needed sometimes in structured discovery programs are better ways of assessing individual areas of need and a willingness to break the mold a little. Of course, this is assuming a lot i.e. that the person has adequate support and motivation outside of a center environment, what foundational skills and experience they already possess, are there any secondary disabilities involved or is blindness the primary disability for that matter, and so forth. Being a rehabilitation professional myself, I have experienced the whole gamut working with different consumers. In an ideal world, which we don't live in, adult blindness rehab centers would exist primarily for those who go blind later in life beyond when they may have had the opportunity to gain blind skills as children. This brings me to another point. If a person is blind/partially sighted from an early age, why should they have to invest extra time beyond high school to gain alternative skills? I believe blindness organizations are focusing ever more on this question, advocating for proper and empowering training through the expanded core curriculum and so forth, but I think we can easily get caught up in the thinking that by default a person will just attend an NFB training center down the road. I say systemic change for this group is what's ultimately desirable. Having put forth these thoughts, let me say that I absolutely know that our training centers continue to do a good service for blind people across the lifespan whether we are born blind or become blind in our 40s and 50s. I have known that 18-year-old who never walked around the block on their own because someone tolled their parents that it is a dangerous world for a blind kid and to protect them at all costs. I have known that 70-year-old woman who lived in a nursing home for no other reason but blindness and was able to transition back into the community after receiving training. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie McGinnity via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 10:35 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Julie McGinnity Subject: [nabs-l] Training Center Questions Hi friends, Let's talk training centers, shall we. I have a few questions, and I wonder if some of you can provide a little perspective for me. For those who have graduated from a training center: What was the single most important/valuable thing you got out of your center experience? If you had some skills before attending a training center, why did you choose training? By some skills, I mean that you lived on your own, navigated a college campus, could read Braille and manage a computer, or any other combination of the above and more. Maybe you didn't have all of the tools in the box, but you could function successfully in the world. Also, did any of you attend a training center after graduating from college, particularly a masters program? If this applies to you, why did you choose center training over finding a job? If you have not been to training, and you do not plan to attend a center, have you ever regretted not doing so? I understand that many people just don't have the time from school or a career to attend training, but are there other reasons you have chosen not to attend a training center? I have more questions, but that's enough for now. Feel free to email me off list, message me on Facebook or Twitter, or even call me if you prefer. My curious mind is eager for more perspective. Thanks! -- Julie A. McGinnity President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division, Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri "For we walk by faith, not by sight" 2 Cor. 7 _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/djackson%40bism.org From kestomberg at coe.edu Mon Jun 27 18:04:01 2016 From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 13:04:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Training Center Questions In-Reply-To: <664916DD3FF58F45BF6F434E6676E7FB881E62B5@BLINDEXCHANGE.BISM.com> References: <664916DD3FF58F45BF6F434E6676E7FB881E62B5@BLINDEXCHANGE.BISM.com> Message-ID: Training centers wouldn't be necessary for people who are blind from an early age if better training could be provided in high school. For some people, that is simply not possible. I was able to get some training in high school, but not a lot because I lived in a small town with few blind people. So, a training center might be helpful for me. However, I don't know if I will attend a training center, but I might consider it if I can go for a few months rather than a full year. Maybe after undergrad. Great discussion! :) Kennedy > On Jun 27, 2016, at 12:16 PM, Dezman Jackson via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello all, > > I've enjoyed reading all of the responses to Julie's survey. All good points raised. > > As for my experience with adult blindness training, growing up, I gained quite decent skills in Braille, mobility, technology, and to some degree, skills of independent living. This being said, I decided to attend an NFB center shortly after finishing my undergraduate degree. While I did find the intensive practice and application of the aforementioned skills beneficial, I would say that the confidence-building aspect for me was the most valuable. That is, being mentored by other successful blind role models, rubbing shoulders with other trainees and exchanging ideas and just being expected to truly put the skills of blindness to use on a daily basis, all which I did not always experience beforehand. That being said, I'm not sure that I could say that my sighted siblings or many my other 22-year-old bachelor friends could make bread from scratch or a meal for 40 people at that time. I ask the question, for some people, is a 6 to 9 month program necessary to gain adequate skills in this area or would some motivation and some hints on adaptive techniques along with the other ways folks learn cooking skills work just fine? I ask the same questions of the other skill areas. As with other individuals, is there a correlation between a blind person's fondness for technology and there skill level? Would a foundation in access technology put to use in a mainstream computer applications class be just what's needed to learn Microsoft Office? I think what's needed sometimes in structured discovery programs are better ways of assessing individual areas of need and a willingness to break the mold a little. > > Of course, this is assuming a lot i.e. that the person has adequate support and motivation outside of a center environment, what foundational skills and experience they already possess, are there any secondary disabilities involved or is blindness the primary disability for that matter, and so forth. Being a rehabilitation professional myself, I have experienced the whole gamut working with different consumers. In an ideal world, which we don't live in, adult blindness rehab centers would exist primarily for those who go blind later in life beyond when they may have had the opportunity to gain blind skills as children. > > This brings me to another point. If a person is blind/partially sighted from an early age, why should they have to invest extra time beyond high school to gain alternative skills? I believe blindness organizations are focusing ever more on this question, advocating for proper and empowering training through the expanded core curriculum and so forth, but I think we can easily get caught up in the thinking that by default a person will just attend an NFB training center down the road. I say systemic change for this group is what's ultimately desirable. Having put forth these thoughts, let me say that I absolutely know that our training centers continue to do a good service for blind people across the lifespan whether we are born blind or become blind in our 40s and 50s. I have known that 18-year-old who never walked around the block on their own because someone tolled their parents that it is a dangerous world for a blind kid and to protect them at all costs. I have known that 70-year-old woman who lived in a nursing home for no other reason but blindness and was able to transition back into the community after receiving training. > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie McGinnity via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 10:35 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Julie McGinnity > Subject: [nabs-l] Training Center Questions > > Hi friends, > > Let's talk training centers, shall we. I have a few questions, and I wonder if some of you can provide a little perspective for me. > > For those who have graduated from a training center: What was the single most important/valuable thing you got out of your center experience? > > If you had some skills before attending a training center, why did you choose training? By some skills, I mean that you lived on your own, navigated a college campus, could read Braille and manage a computer, or any other combination of the above and more. Maybe you didn't have all of the tools in the box, but you could function successfully in the world. > > Also, did any of you attend a training center after graduating from college, particularly a masters program? If this applies to you, why did you choose center training over finding a job? > > If you have not been to training, and you do not plan to attend a center, have you ever regretted not doing so? I understand that many people just don't have the time from school or a career to attend training, but are there other reasons you have chosen not to attend a training center? > > I have more questions, but that's enough for now. Feel free to email me off list, message me on Facebook or Twitter, or even call me if you prefer. My curious mind is eager for more perspective. Thanks! > > > > -- > Julie A. McGinnity > President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division, Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri "For we walk by faith, not by sight" > 2 Cor. 7 > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/djackson%40bism.org > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu From dandrews at visi.com Mon Jun 27 20:36:53 2016 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 15:36:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Male looking for room @ convention hotel Message-ID: > >James Baker, a male Virginian, is looking for a room that another >male is willing to share at the convention hotel. If anyone has a >room and is looking for a roommate, please contact James directly at: >Jbaker17 at u.rochester.edu or >(716) 258-8104 > From chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com Mon Jun 27 21:37:38 2016 From: chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com (chelsea peahl) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 21:37:38 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Chelsea Peahl seeking election! NABS 2016-2017 Message-ID: Hello fellow nabsters, My name is Chelsea Peahl. I have shown my intent to seek election to the NABS board already on this list, but with convention only a few days out, I wanted to reach out one last time to further show my interest and intent. For those who don't know me, I have been involved in the federation since 2012. In that time, I have mentored for Utah's BELL Academy for 4 years, have worked as a mentor for NFB of Utah's Project STRIVE for two years, have held the position of the Utah association of blind students Vice President, and now currently hold the position of president. I work for my university's disability office as their Braille transcriber, am a board member for my local NFB of Utah chapter, and have a passion education and unification. I am currently studying to be a dual education teacher (special Ed and elem Ed) and want to take everything that I have currently learned in my 21 years of life to educate the world on not only blindness, but also on the capabilities of anyone with a disability. If elected to the board, I would take this passion and would love to take part in any legislative action that both NABS and the National Federation of the Blind get involved in, while also seeking to mentor new members of NABS. As you prepare to vote during our annual business meeting, please consider me for a positive as a board member. Thank you, and I can't wait to meet and see all of those attending! Chelsea Peahl From zumbagecko at gmail.com Mon Jun 27 22:25:06 2016 From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 15:25:06 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] access is denied Message-ID: <5771a7e8.db23620a.62b10.57bf@mx.google.com> Hello, When I try to do administrator tasks such as running a program, I keep getting "Access is denied," instead of UAC. The only work around is using switch user and logging into the built-in administrator account. Then I can do such tasks without UAC. How do I get to the "Run as administrator," using jaws 17 with my primary adman account that I created when windows was installed? Other people can just use the mouse. This is very strange, because I went to user account console using the built-in account and administrator is already selected. From david.thomas at davidthetechguy.com Mon Jun 27 22:41:46 2016 From: david.thomas at davidthetechguy.com (David Thomas) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 17:41:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] access is denied In-Reply-To: <5771a7e8.db23620a.62b10.57bf@mx.google.com> References: <5771a7e8.db23620a.62b10.57bf@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hello, I would use the application key, or shift F10 to bring up the popup menu that a sighted person would get if they were to right click with the mouse. After the menu pops up arrow down to run as administrator. Regards David Thomas -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of petras via NABS-L Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 5:25 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: petras Subject: [nabs-l] access is denied Hello, When I try to do administrator tasks such as running a program, I keep getting "Access is denied," instead of UAC. The only work around is using switch user and logging into the built-in administrator account. Then I can do such tasks without UAC. How do I get to the "Run as administrator," using jaws 17 with my primary adman account that I created when windows was installed? Other people can just use the mouse. This is very strange, because I went to user account console using the built-in account and administrator is already selected. _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/david.thomas%40davidth etechguy.com From zumbagecko at gmail.com Mon Jun 27 22:55:45 2016 From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 15:55:45 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] my laptop suddenly has a password Message-ID: <5771af18.5b4c620a.56ed9.60fd@mx.google.com> I have one adman account that has no password, and the built-in adman account that doesn't have a password. Awhile ago, I put my computer to sleep. I woke it up and it is now the adman account that I primarily use asks for a password that I never set. I typed in some random password in the box and I got "The password is incorrect, try again," I clicked ok and it goes back to this loop. I went into the built-in adman account and I have no problems getting in. I went to search box and I typed netplwiz. I clicked enter. I selected my primary user account from the adman console and it was checked saying "Users must enter a password to use this computer." I unchecked the box. I clicked ok. I switched to my primary account and it worked. I put my computer to sleep. I opened it up and it asks for a password that's never been set. This time I pressed enter and I was in. The thing is jaws is saying I have a password, but I don't. I did the same experiment on the other one and it doesn't ask for a password to wake up the computer. Since I have an unlocked adman account, can I reset the other user account? From david.thomas at davidthetechguy.com Mon Jun 27 22:59:05 2016 From: david.thomas at davidthetechguy.com (David Thomas) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 17:59:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] my laptop suddenly has a password In-Reply-To: <5771af18.5b4c620a.56ed9.60fd@mx.google.com> References: <5771af18.5b4c620a.56ed9.60fd@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <51c4908af713a725d54a5db49ef2263d@mail.gmail.com> Hello, Yes you can reset the password very easily. If you want to give me a call send an email off list. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of petras via NABS-L Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 5:56 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: petras Subject: [nabs-l] my laptop suddenly has a password I have one adman account that has no password, and the built-in adman account that doesn't have a password. Awhile ago, I put my computer to sleep. I woke it up and it is now the adman account that I primarily use asks for a password that I never set. I typed in some random password in the box and I got "The password is incorrect, try again," I clicked ok and it goes back to this loop. I went into the built-in adman account and I have no problems getting in. I went to search box and I typed netplwiz. I clicked enter. I selected my primary user account from the adman console and it was checked saying "Users must enter a password to use this computer." I unchecked the box. I clicked ok. I switched to my primary account and it worked. I put my computer to sleep. I opened it up and it asks for a password that's never been set. This time I pressed enter and I was in. The thing is jaws is saying I have a password, but I don't. I did the same experiment on the other one and it doesn't ask for a password to wake up the computer. Since I have an unlocked adman account, can I reset the other user account? _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/david.thomas%40davidth etechguy.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Mon Jun 27 23:18:52 2016 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 19:18:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] access is denied In-Reply-To: References: <5771a7e8.db23620a.62b10.57bf@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Petras and all, I recently joined a list on the NFBNet system called GUI-talk. It focuses on questions related to Windows and Mac systems. I think some of your admin questions would probably get more complete answers if you post them there. To join, go to www.nfbnet.org click the link at the top of the page and then click on GUI-Talk. Best, Arielle On 6/27/16, David Thomas via NABS-L wrote: > Hello, > I would use the application key, or shift F10 to bring up the popup menu > that a sighted person would get if they were to right click with the > mouse. After the menu pops up arrow down to run as administrator. > Regards > David Thomas > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of petras via > NABS-L > Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 5:25 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Cc: petras > Subject: [nabs-l] access is denied > > Hello, When I try to do administrator tasks such as running a program, I > keep getting "Access is denied," instead of UAC. The only work around is > using switch user and logging into the built-in administrator account. > Then I can do such tasks without UAC. How do I get to the "Run as > administrator," using jaws 17 with my primary adman account that I created > when windows was installed? Other people can just use the mouse. This is > very strange, because I went to user account console using the built-in > account and administrator is already selected. > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/david.thomas%40davidth > etechguy.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From missheather at comcast.net Tue Jun 28 18:16:32 2016 From: missheather at comcast.net (Heather Field) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 13:16:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Convention room available Message-ID: Hello Dave, Would you please put this out on all the NFB lists? Thank you so much. Hi all, a member of our affiliate has had a family issue come up and cannot attend national convention. This means that there is a hotel room available in the main Shingle Creek hotel. It is booked from June 29 to July 6. Please contact me if you would like to take over the room. We're hoping not to have to cancel the room and lose the deposit. You can call me on 615-790-9765 Warmly, Heather Field From dandrews at visi.com Tue Jun 28 18:50:53 2016 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 13:50:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Looking To Speak With Individuals With Norrie Disease Message-ID: I have been asked to circulate this. Don't respond to this list, but to the person making the request. Dave >Dave, > >Can you post the below message to appropriate NFB lists? I'm not >sure which would be appropriate, but don't know how else to contact >this segment of the blind community. Thanks. > >Hello. A friend has just learned that he has Norrie Disease. He is >attending national convention and would like to speak with others >who have this eye condition. If you have Norrie Disease and are >willing to speak with him either in person or via phone/email, >please contact me at >tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com or call (515) 710-4402. > >Tai From chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com Tue Jun 28 19:42:40 2016 From: chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com (chelsea peahl) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 19:42:40 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Room for convention Message-ID: Hi All! Convention Is only a few days out! Need a room at the national convention hotel? Contact Cheralyn Braithwaite Creer ASAP! Thanks! See you all at convention! Chelsea Peahl From nabs.president at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 00:13:27 2016 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Sean Whalen) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 18:13:27 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Leadership Transition Message-ID: <000301d1d19b$0f7a1490$2e6e3db0$@gmail.com> Good afternoon to each of you, As the National Federation of the Blind 2016 National Convention rapidly approaches, I am writing regarding the impending transition in NABS leadership. As you may know, my term as President of NABS is set to expire this Friday at the conclusion of our annual business meeting. I have been privileged to serve in this role for the last 5 years, and have enjoyed working with and for so many of you. Though I will be continuing my studies at Harvard Law School, and while I remain dedicated to changing what it means to be a blind student in America, I will not be seeking another term as President of NABS during Friday’s elections. As I walk away from this position, though not the division, I am writing to convey a few quick messages. First, I want to offer my most sincere and heartfelt thanks to those of you with whom I have had the opportunity to work over these years. It has been a pleasure to get to know so many of you. I am proud to call many of you friends. I am grateful for the confidence that the membership has placed in me in allowing me to lead this vibrant division of the most important organization related to blindness in the United States of America, the National Federation of the Blind. Though I have certainly made my mistakes and had my shortcomings, I am proud of what we, both on and off the board, have been able to accomplish. I believe that over the past number of years, including under President Arielle Silverman from 2009 to 2011, NABS has continuously grown bigger, stronger, and more active. Not only do I believe this, objective measures like members added, funds raised, articles published, and programs and activities executed bear it out. We can be proud of our successes in sharing resources, offering advice, and demonstrating to blind students that blindness is so much less limiting than is often assumed. We all share in this success and our work truly matters. Second, I wish to communicate to you my wholehearted and unequivocal endorsement of Kathryn Webster for NABS President in the upcoming election. Kathryn has demonstrated a skill set, work ethic, passion for the cause, and strength of character that I believe make her an excellent candidate for the position. Kathryn has served as Secretary, Treasurer, Fundraising Chair, and Webmaster over this last year. And she has met or exceeded expectations in each role. In virtually every program we carried out this term – from funding students to Washington Seminar to collecting letters to Congress about accessible materials, from running a legislative leadership workshop to expanding our membership database, from our annual NABS Café to improving our website – Kathryn has had a hand. As Fundraising Chair, she and her excellent team gave NABS the biggest fundraising year we have had in at least the last 7 years, and almost certainly much longer than that. As Secretary she has executed her duties in a timely and professional manner. And as Treasurer she has been responsible, organized, and accurate. Though her skills speak volumes, there are other equally important considerations. Kathryn has shown herself to be truly passionate about the work of NABS and the NFB. She understands the immense positive impact that the philosophy and resources of the NFB can provide to blind students. And she is willing to work hard to ensure that as many blind students as possible are exposed to the Federation. Finally, Kathryn is forthright and honest. She takes responsibility and is accountable. And, most importantly, she acknowledges her weaknesses, accepts and considers criticism, and consistently works to improve her leadership and performance. On Friday we as a division will decide who will lead NABS for the coming two years, and I urge each of you to give strong consideration to this track record of success. I firmly believe that one of the best indicators of what somebody will do is what they have done, and Kathryn’s demonstrated leadership and passion lead me to conclude that she is hands down the best individual for the job. She has my vote, and I hope you will consider giving her yours, too. Third and finally, I just want to make it very clear that, while I am not going to continue to serve on the NABS Board, I certainly intend to remain an active engaged member of the division. I still have ideas about how NABS can improve, and I still have a deep-seeded desire to empower and lift up blind students to our full potential. I hope NABS will continue working on legislative matters, perhaps by replicating programs like the leadership workshop we did in Connecticut this term. Students are powerful advocates and we must continue to harness our enthusiasm and skills to move our legislative agenda in the Federation. I also hope that we can return to being a source of powerful and informative articles related to blindness, be it through the Student Slate Blog, or some other medium identified by the incoming board. I hope to be involved in seeking out, editing, and writing content for such an effort. Lastly, I hope to continue to serve as a resource to anybody out there who might benefit from a chat. So, as I step away from the position of President, please remember that I am still here and interested in doing what I can to further our work. Starting after convention, you can all reach me at smwhalenpsp at gmail.com rather than at the NABS address. Thanks for the opportunity to serve and grow in this role. And thanks for reading. I hope to see many of you in Orlando at the NABS meeting on July 1 at 7pm. And remember, registration starts at 6:00, so come early! Take care, Sean Sean Whalen President, National Association of Blind Students (608) 957-7337 @nabslink www.nabslink.org From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 01:06:54 2016 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 21:06:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Leadership Transition In-Reply-To: <000301d1d19b$0f7a1490$2e6e3db0$@gmail.com> References: <000301d1d19b$0f7a1490$2e6e3db0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all: I would like to lead the division in recognizing and thanking Sean for his seven years of leadership in NABS, including five as its president. Five years is a long time to serve as NABS president, and in fact, I believe that Marc Maurer is the only individual in NABS history, prior to Sean, to serve for more than four. Being NABS president is a great job that can bring a lot of joy. But it can also be tiring at times, and it demands a great deal of dedication and personal sacrifice. Thank you Sean for investing this level of dedication into our student division. But good leadership is about quality more than quantity, and it is clear that NABS has grown exponentially in the last five years and has made a real difference in many people's lives. A long time ago, a NABS mentor of mine encouraged me to hope for a successor in leadership who could do a better job than me. She cautioned that this could be a bittersweet experience. And in fact, there are times when I have confessed to feeling a bit jealous of what Sean and his administrations have achieved in comparison to my own. I try to keep that green-eyed monster out of the way. On the whole, I am extremely proud of what NABS has and continues to accomplish. When I think back to the NABS I joined as a college freshman in 2003, we have transformed into a much stronger organization in every area--in terms of communications, membership, finances, state divisions, advocacy, and collaboration with NFB nationally. I can't wait to see what will happen in the next 13 years. Best, Arielle Silverman Past NABS President, 2009-2011 On 6/28/16, Sean Whalen via NABS-L wrote: > Good afternoon to each of you, > > > > As the National Federation of > the Blind 2016 National > Convention rapidly approaches, > I am writing regarding the > impending transition in NABS > leadership. As you may know, > my term as President of NABS > is set to expire this Friday > at the conclusion of our > annual business meeting. I > have been privileged to serve > in this role for the last 5 > years, and have enjoyed > working with and for so many > of you. Though I will be > continuing my studies at > Harvard Law School, and while > I remain dedicated to changing > what it means to be a blind > student in America, I will not > be seeking another term as > President of NABS during > Friday’s elections. As I walk > away from this position, > though not the division, I am > writing to convey a few quick > messages. > > > > First, I want to offer my most > sincere and heartfelt thanks > to those of you with whom I > have had the opportunity to > work over these years. It has > been a pleasure to get to know > so many of you. I am proud to > call many of you friends. I am > grateful for the confidence > that the membership has placed > in me in allowing me to lead > this vibrant division of the > most important organization > related to blindness in the > United States of America, the > National Federation of the > Blind. Though I have certainly > made my mistakes and had my > shortcomings, I am proud of > what we, both on and off the > board, have been able to > accomplish. I believe that > over the past number of years, > including under President > Arielle Silverman from 2009 to > 2011, NABS has continuously > grown bigger, stronger, and > more active. Not only do I > believe this, objective > measures like members added, > funds raised, articles > published, and programs and > activities executed bear it > out. We can be proud of our > successes in sharing > resources, offering advice, > and demonstrating to blind > students that blindness is so > much less limiting than is > often assumed. We all share in > this success and our work > truly matters. > > > > Second, I wish to communicate > to you my wholehearted and > unequivocal endorsement of > Kathryn Webster for NABS > President in the upcoming > election. Kathryn has > demonstrated a skill set, work > ethic, passion for the cause, > and strength of character that > I believe make her an > excellent candidate for the > position. Kathryn has served > as Secretary, Treasurer, > Fundraising Chair, and > Webmaster over this last year. > And she has met or exceeded > expectations in each role. In > virtually every program we > carried out this term – from > funding students to Washington > Seminar to collecting letters > to Congress about accessible > materials, from running a > legislative leadership > workshop to expanding our > membership database, from our > annual NABS Café to improving > our website – Kathryn has had > a hand. As Fundraising Chair, > she and her excellent team > gave NABS the biggest > fundraising year we have had > in at least the last 7 years, > and almost certainly much > longer than that. As Secretary > she has executed her duties in > a timely and professional > manner. And as Treasurer she > has been responsible, > organized, and accurate. > Though her skills speak > volumes, there are other > equally important > considerations. Kathryn has > shown herself to be truly > passionate about the work of > NABS and the NFB. She > understands the immense > positive impact that the > philosophy and resources of > the NFB can provide to blind > students. And she is willing > to work hard to ensure that as > many blind students as > possible are exposed to the > Federation. Finally, Kathryn > is forthright and honest. She > takes responsibility and is > accountable. And, most > importantly, she acknowledges > her weaknesses, accepts and > considers criticism, and > consistently works to improve > her leadership and > performance. On Friday we as a > division will decide who will > lead NABS for the coming two > years, and I urge each of you > to give strong consideration > to this track record of > success. I firmly believe that > one of the best indicators of > what somebody will do is what > they have done, and Kathryn’s > demonstrated leadership and > passion lead me to conclude > that she is hands down the > best individual for the job. > She has my vote, and I hope > you will consider giving her > yours, too. > > > > Third and finally, I just want > to make it very clear that, > while I am not going to > continue to serve on the NABS > Board, I certainly intend to > remain an active engaged > member of the division. I > still have ideas about how > NABS can improve, and I still > have a deep-seeded desire to > empower and lift up blind > students to our full > potential. I hope NABS will > continue working on > legislative matters, perhaps > by replicating programs like > the leadership workshop we did > in Connecticut this term. > Students are powerful > advocates and we must continue > to harness our enthusiasm and > skills to move our legislative > agenda in the Federation. I > also hope that we can return > to being a source of powerful > and informative articles > related to blindness, be it > through the Student Slate > Blog, or some other medium > identified by the incoming > board. I hope to be involved > in seeking out, editing, and > writing content for such an > effort. Lastly, I hope to > continue to serve as a > resource to anybody out there > who might benefit from a chat. > So, as I step away from the > position of President, please > remember that I am still here > and interested in doing what I > can to further our work. > Starting after convention, you > can all reach me at > smwhalenpsp at gmail.com rather > than at the NABS address. > > > > Thanks for the opportunity to > serve and grow in this role. > And thanks for reading. I hope > to see many of you in Orlando > at the NABS meeting on July 1 > at 7pm. And remember, > registration starts at 6:00, > so come early! > > > > Take care, > > > > Sean > > > > Sean Whalen > > President, National > Association of Blind Students > > (608) 957-7337 > > @nabslink > > www.nabslink.org > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From desai1shikha at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 03:22:45 2016 From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 23:22:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Leadership Transition In-Reply-To: References: <000301d1d19b$0f7a1490$2e6e3db0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <78531B17-5CA8-408C-9B2E-2B7BC6EA0ADD@gmail.com> This is a bitter sweet moment like graduation! Sean has been a great president. He is a great leader! I encourage everyone to vote for kathren. I got a great privilege to get to know her at Washington seminar this year! She is a great role model and is always strengthening the federation! Shikha. > On Jun 28, 2016, at 9:06 PM, Arielle Silverman via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi all: > I would like to lead the division in recognizing and thanking Sean for > his seven years of leadership in NABS, including five as its > president. Five years is a long time to serve as NABS president, and > in fact, I believe that Marc Maurer is the only individual in NABS > history, prior to Sean, to serve for more than four. Being NABS > president is a great job that can bring a lot of joy. But it can also > be tiring at times, and it demands a great deal of dedication and > personal sacrifice. Thank you Sean for investing this level of > dedication into our student division. > But good leadership is about quality more than quantity, and it is > clear that NABS has grown exponentially in the last five years and has > made a real difference in many people's lives. A long time ago, a NABS > mentor of mine encouraged me to hope for a successor in leadership who > could do a better job than me. She cautioned that this could be a > bittersweet experience. And in fact, there are times when I have > confessed to feeling a bit jealous of what Sean and his > administrations have achieved in comparison to my own. I try to keep > that green-eyed monster out of the way. On the whole, I am extremely > proud of what NABS has and continues to accomplish. When I think back > to the NABS I joined as a college freshman in 2003, we have > transformed into a much stronger organization in every area--in terms > of communications, membership, finances, state divisions, advocacy, > and collaboration with NFB nationally. I can't wait to see what will > happen in the next 13 years. > Best, > Arielle Silverman > Past NABS President, 2009-2011 > >> On 6/28/16, Sean Whalen via NABS-L wrote: >> Good afternoon to each of you, >> >> >> >> As the National Federation of >> the Blind 2016 National >> Convention rapidly approaches, >> I am writing regarding the >> impending transition in NABS >> leadership. As you may know, >> my term as President of NABS >> is set to expire this Friday >> at the conclusion of our >> annual business meeting. I >> have been privileged to serve >> in this role for the last 5 >> years, and have enjoyed >> working with and for so many >> of you. Though I will be >> continuing my studies at >> Harvard Law School, and while >> I remain dedicated to changing >> what it means to be a blind >> student in America, I will not >> be seeking another term as >> President of NABS during >> Friday’s elections. As I walk >> away from this position, >> though not the division, I am >> writing to convey a few quick >> messages. >> >> >> >> First, I want to offer my most >> sincere and heartfelt thanks >> to those of you with whom I >> have had the opportunity to >> work over these years. It has >> been a pleasure to get to know >> so many of you. I am proud to >> call many of you friends. I am >> grateful for the confidence >> that the membership has placed >> in me in allowing me to lead >> this vibrant division of the >> most important organization >> related to blindness in the >> United States of America, the >> National Federation of the >> Blind. Though I have certainly >> made my mistakes and had my >> shortcomings, I am proud of >> what we, both on and off the >> board, have been able to >> accomplish. I believe that >> over the past number of years, >> including under President >> Arielle Silverman from 2009 to >> 2011, NABS has continuously >> grown bigger, stronger, and >> more active. Not only do I >> believe this, objective >> measures like members added, >> funds raised, articles >> published, and programs and >> activities executed bear it >> out. We can be proud of our >> successes in sharing >> resources, offering advice, >> and demonstrating to blind >> students that blindness is so >> much less limiting than is >> often assumed. We all share in >> this success and our work >> truly matters. >> >> >> >> Second, I wish to communicate >> to you my wholehearted and >> unequivocal endorsement of >> Kathryn Webster for NABS >> President in the upcoming >> election. Kathryn has >> demonstrated a skill set, work >> ethic, passion for the cause, >> and strength of character that >> I believe make her an >> excellent candidate for the >> position. Kathryn has served >> as Secretary, Treasurer, >> Fundraising Chair, and >> Webmaster over this last year. >> And she has met or exceeded >> expectations in each role. In >> virtually every program we >> carried out this term – from >> funding students to Washington >> Seminar to collecting letters >> to Congress about accessible >> materials, from running a >> legislative leadership >> workshop to expanding our >> membership database, from our >> annual NABS Café to improving >> our website – Kathryn has had >> a hand. As Fundraising Chair, >> she and her excellent team >> gave NABS the biggest >> fundraising year we have had >> in at least the last 7 years, >> and almost certainly much >> longer than that. As Secretary >> she has executed her duties in >> a timely and professional >> manner. And as Treasurer she >> has been responsible, >> organized, and accurate. >> Though her skills speak >> volumes, there are other >> equally important >> considerations. Kathryn has >> shown herself to be truly >> passionate about the work of >> NABS and the NFB. She >> understands the immense >> positive impact that the >> philosophy and resources of >> the NFB can provide to blind >> students. And she is willing >> to work hard to ensure that as >> many blind students as >> possible are exposed to the >> Federation. Finally, Kathryn >> is forthright and honest. She >> takes responsibility and is >> accountable. And, most >> importantly, she acknowledges >> her weaknesses, accepts and >> considers criticism, and >> consistently works to improve >> her leadership and >> performance. On Friday we as a >> division will decide who will >> lead NABS for the coming two >> years, and I urge each of you >> to give strong consideration >> to this track record of >> success. I firmly believe that >> one of the best indicators of >> what somebody will do is what >> they have done, and Kathryn’s >> demonstrated leadership and >> passion lead me to conclude >> that she is hands down the >> best individual for the job. >> She has my vote, and I hope >> you will consider giving her >> yours, too. >> >> >> >> Third and finally, I just want >> to make it very clear that, >> while I am not going to >> continue to serve on the NABS >> Board, I certainly intend to >> remain an active engaged >> member of the division. I >> still have ideas about how >> NABS can improve, and I still >> have a deep-seeded desire to >> empower and lift up blind >> students to our full >> potential. I hope NABS will >> continue working on >> legislative matters, perhaps >> by replicating programs like >> the leadership workshop we did >> in Connecticut this term. >> Students are powerful >> advocates and we must continue >> to harness our enthusiasm and >> skills to move our legislative >> agenda in the Federation. I >> also hope that we can return >> to being a source of powerful >> and informative articles >> related to blindness, be it >> through the Student Slate >> Blog, or some other medium >> identified by the incoming >> board. I hope to be involved >> in seeking out, editing, and >> writing content for such an >> effort. Lastly, I hope to >> continue to serve as a >> resource to anybody out there >> who might benefit from a chat. >> So, as I step away from the >> position of President, please >> remember that I am still here >> and interested in doing what I >> can to further our work. >> Starting after convention, you >> can all reach me at >> smwhalenpsp at gmail.com rather >> than at the NABS address. >> >> >> >> Thanks for the opportunity to >> serve and grow in this role. >> And thanks for reading. I hope >> to see many of you in Orlando >> at the NABS meeting on July 1 >> at 7pm. And remember, >> registration starts at 6:00, >> so come early! >> >> >> >> Take care, >> >> >> >> Sean >> >> >> >> Sean Whalen >> >> President, National >> Association of Blind Students >> >> (608) 957-7337 >> >> @nabslink >> >> www.nabslink.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/desai1shikha%40gmail.com From discoduck221 at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 03:46:06 2016 From: discoduck221 at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 23:46:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Registration For The Talent Show At NFB 2016 Message-ID: Name of Performer(s): David Dunphy Affiliate State: New York Performing Art: Singing Title Of Performance: Uptown Funk Cell Phone at Convention: 516-287-9203 Email: discoduck221 at gmail.com Are You Providing A Backup Track: As I said to you on the phone, my friend is helping me record the backup track here in Orlando. I will send an email with the subject David Dunphy's Backup Track, as you indicated that was OK on the talent show conference. If there is a problem please let me know. Will You Need A Keyboard: no Will You Be Bringing Other Instruments: no No other special stage setup required >From David Dunphy From zumbagecko at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 05:02:56 2016 From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 22:02:56 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] my laptop suddenly has a password Message-ID: <577356aa.d056620a.97de9.77ee@mx.google.com> My problem is that the laptop asks for a password just to wake up the laptop but not when I restart the computer. Now I get "The referenced account is currently locked out and may not be logged into," on my glitched user account when typing in a random password. After I restarted it I got "Your user account is disabled, please see your system administrator," (talking about my bultin admin account to troubleshoot the problem) I went in and I can use the computer for now. I would like the other account enabled, so I don't accedently start a virus without asking for any confirmation. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Thomas via NABS-L >From: Jessica Beecham >To: David Andrews >Subject: AIRA technology at the NF-BE Healthy Fair >Hello Federation Family > >See health and wellness from a whole new >perspective with AIRA. AIRA, a technology the >pairs with google glass to offer you a personal >assistant like no others can help you know what >is around, navigate to the end of lines, read >signage and packaging, gain useful details about >your environment, and so much more. Test drive >AIRA at the NF-BE Healthy fair and get a glimpse >of how AIRA could help you take more control of >your personal health and wellness. AIRA will be >offering demonstrations at the NF-BE Healthy >fair from 10-11 and from 1-4. They will have a >presentation on the convention agenda from 11-1. >Please stop by and check out AIRA and the other >great happenings at the NF-BE Healthy Fair. > >Thursday, June 30 10-4 Sebastian Ballroom Level 1 > >In addition to Aira Technology you will have the chance to check out: > >· OneBlood Blood Drive >· Rock climbing >· Audio Described Arm Wrestling >· Traditional Japanese Sword Fighting >· BlindAlive Eyes Free Fitness >· Goalball >· Tennis >· Weight Lifting >· Guide Running >· Beep Baseball >· Cardio Drumming >· Body Composition Station >· Push Up Station >· Apple Watch Demo and Raffle >· FitBit Demo >· Zumba >· Salsa Dancing >· Yoga >· Relaxation Station with Essential Oils >· Arbon >· OneTouch Self Defense >· Total Life Changes Nutrition Supplements >· Sports and Rec T-Shirts >· KNFB-Reader and NFB-NEWSLINE® for Health >· Independence Market Healthy Product Information >· Good hydration station > >· Healthy Communities Community Service Booth > >The NFB Sports and Recreation Division and WE >Fit Wellness extend a huge thank you to our sponsors! > >National Associaiton of Blind Merchants – Platinum Plus Sponsor > >United States Association of Blind Athletes – Climb for Independence Sponsors > >Southern Association of the Visually Impaired SAAVI – Gold Sponsor > >Blackstone Consulting Inc – Gold Sponsor > >Southern Foods Inc – Gold Sponsor > >BlindAlive – Silver Sponsor > >BLIND Inc. – Silver Sponsor > >Vend Natural – Silver Sponsor > >National Federation of the Blind of Colorado >Sports and Recreation Division – Bronze Sponsor > >Colorado Center for the Blind – Bronze Sponsor From ligne14 at verizon.net Wed Jun 29 14:22:01 2016 From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 10:22:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Registration For The Talent Show At NFB 2016 Message-ID: <0O9J00HX4EMCO350@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> Hi David, I think you should have probably filled out this form privately to Julie or some other member of the Performing Arts division, not here on this public list. Noone cares about the information that you fill out on the application... I know that the list guidelines say not to reply to any off-topic messages, and I don't think this is off-topic because it has to do with the NFB Convention, but I still think that you shouldn't post private things that you fill out such as forms and applications on a public listserve. Unless I'm wrong and one of the moderators can correct me on that. By the way, will you be recording the talent show this year as well as singing? And wow, I didn't know that you're from Long Island! I was recently there for nine months for blindness training. Thanks and hope to hear from you soon, Sami ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dunphy via NABS-L , National Association of Blind Students mailinglist From David Dunphy _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ligne14%40ver izon.net From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 14:36:37 2016 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 10:36:37 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Registration For The Talent Show At NFB 2016 In-Reply-To: <0O9J00HX4EMCO350@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0O9J00HX4EMCO350@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Looks like an accidental post to the list, we all do that every once in a while. Best, Arielle On 6/29/16, Sami Osborne via NABS-L wrote: > Hi David, > > I think you should have probably filled out this form privately > to Julie or some other member of the Performing Arts division, > not here on this public list. Noone cares about the information > that you fill out on the application... > > I know that the list guidelines say not to reply to any off-topic > messages, and I don't think this is off-topic because it has to > do with the NFB Convention, but I still think that you shouldn't > post private things that you fill out such as forms and > applications on a public listserve. Unless I'm wrong and one of > the moderators can correct me on that. By the way, will you be > recording the talent show this year as well as singing? And wow, > I didn't know that you're from Long Island! I was recently there > for nine months for blindness training. > > Thanks and hope to hear from you soon, > > Sami > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Dunphy via NABS-L To: nfbpad , National Association of Blind > Students mailinglist > Date sent: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 23:46:06 -0400 > Subject: [nabs-l] Registration For The Talent Show At NFB 2016 > > Name of Performer(s): David Dunphy > Affiliate State: New York > Performing Art: Singing > Title Of Performance: Uptown Funk > Cell Phone at Convention: 516-287-9203 > Email: discoduck221 at gmail.com > Are You Providing A Backup Track: > As I said to you on the phone, my friend is helping me record the > backup track here in Orlando. I will send an email with the > subject > David Dunphy's Backup Track, as you indicated that was OK on the > talent show conference. If there is a problem please let me > know. > Will You Need A Keyboard: no > Will You Be Bringing Other Instruments: no > > No other special stage setup required > > > > From David Dunphy > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ligne14%40ver > izon.net > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From kaybaycar at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 15:44:16 2016 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 11:44:16 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Registration For The Talent Show At NFB 2016 In-Reply-To: References: <0O9J00HX4EMCO350@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Hi all, Sami, to answer your question, yes, the talent show will be streamed and recorded. David or another member of the team will provide the link to this list if it is ok with the moderators. It does seem like David posted to the list unintentionally, but in any case, I received the form. :) Looking forward to meeting up with many of you at convention!!!!!!!!! On 6/29/16, Arielle Silverman via NABS-L wrote: > Looks like an accidental post to the list, we all do that every once in a > while. > Best, Arielle > > On 6/29/16, Sami Osborne via NABS-L wrote: >> Hi David, >> >> I think you should have probably filled out this form privately >> to Julie or some other member of the Performing Arts division, >> not here on this public list. Noone cares about the information >> that you fill out on the application... >> >> I know that the list guidelines say not to reply to any off-topic >> messages, and I don't think this is off-topic because it has to >> do with the NFB Convention, but I still think that you shouldn't >> post private things that you fill out such as forms and >> applications on a public listserve. Unless I'm wrong and one of >> the moderators can correct me on that. By the way, will you be >> recording the talent show this year as well as singing? And wow, >> I didn't know that you're from Long Island! I was recently there >> for nine months for blindness training. >> >> Thanks and hope to hear from you soon, >> >> Sami >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: David Dunphy via NABS-L > To: nfbpad , National Association of Blind >> Students mailinglist >> > Date sent: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 23:46:06 -0400 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Registration For The Talent Show At NFB 2016 >> >> Name of Performer(s): David Dunphy >> Affiliate State: New York >> Performing Art: Singing >> Title Of Performance: Uptown Funk >> Cell Phone at Convention: 516-287-9203 >> Email: discoduck221 at gmail.com >> Are You Providing A Backup Track: >> As I said to you on the phone, my friend is helping me record the >> backup track here in Orlando. I will send an email with the >> subject >> David Dunphy's Backup Track, as you indicated that was OK on the >> talent show conference. If there is a problem please let me >> know. >> Will You Need A Keyboard: no >> Will You Be Bringing Other Instruments: no >> >> No other special stage setup required >> >> >> >> From David Dunphy >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ligne14%40ver >> izon.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie A. McGinnity President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division, Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri "For we walk by faith, not by sight" 2 Cor. 7 From dandrews at visi.com Wed Jun 29 15:48:20 2016 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 10:48:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Request for roommate for National Convention Message-ID: > >Subject: Request for roommate for National Convention >From: Gaylen Tootle >To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org > >Mr. Andrews, > >My name is Gaylon Tootle and I am requesting >that you circulate this email to all lists >please. I am wanting to attend the convention >and unfortunately I am one of those last-minute guys. > >Looking to share a room from July 1st through >July 5th. I will be arriving Friday afternoon. > >I am a male and I can be reached at (229) 251- 3596. > >Thank you in advance foryour assistance with >this situation Mr. Andrews. Have a great day. > >sincerely >Gaylon Tootle >tootle.gaylon at gmail.com >Valdosta, Ga From dandrews at visi.com Wed Jun 29 19:33:55 2016 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 14:33:55 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A T Guys Scoop: Trekz Titanium, New Products, Convention Updates Message-ID: > >[] > >View >a web version of this newsletter > >We wanted to send out a quick newsletter to update you on some >additional convention happenings. We've got a couple more new >products to announce. Plus, it's not too late to put in a preorder >and save time in the exhibit hall. Read on for details. > > > > >New: Aftershokz Trekz Titanium is Here > > > >One of the most requested items of the year is now available from A >T Guys. Trekz Titanium is Aftershokz's premium Bluetooth headset. It >features an extremely flexible titanium headband and the ability to >pair to multiple devices at once. It's extremely lightweight, and >still features all of the features of its bone conduction cousins. >We now offer Trekz along with the Bluez 2S on our site. >Check >out the Aftershokz Trekz Titanium Headset for $129.99 > > > >Announcing the iPhone Connected TCL Pulse Vibration Alarm > > > >Keep your iPhone, iPad or iPod touch on the night table and welcome >your day with the cool vibration of the Pulse. The TCL Pulse from >Amplifyze is the newest way to get your day started. Just place the >pulse in your pillow case, set the alarm using our easy and >accessible app, and enjoy your sleep. If you need an extra nudge, >use the audible alarm as well. Control 10 different alarms >throughout your day and decide on the strength of vibration, the >loudness of alarm, and the alarm patterns as well. Just need an >alarm during the week? The Pulse can do that. Need a countdown timer >for a quick nap? The Pulse can do that. Need to be reminded of a >meeting, time to take medicine, to let your kids know it is time to >shut off the TV. A T Guys has worked with the manufacturer to >improve the accessibility of the app. Great for those who are hard >of hearing or anyone looking for a new way to wake up. >Get >the TCL Pulse Bluetooth Enabled Vibration and Sound Alarm for $39.95 > > > >NFB 2016 in Orlando Preorders > > > >Save time in the exhibit hall by placing a preorder now and picking >up your item at the booth. Use coupon code nfb16 at checkout or >simply >use >this link to apply the NFB coupon. Then, pick up your item at booths >B19 and B20 during exhibit hall hours. We'll make sure we have your >order available for pickup, so you do not have to pay for shipping! >Preorders are available for most items we carry. Read on for a >complete list at the end of this newsletter. Send us a message with >any questions you may have. > > > > >ACB Plans in Minneapolis > > > >We have some special events for those of you attending the ACB >convention in Minneapolis on Thursday, July 7. First, you can place >preorders and pick up your item at the A T Guys suite between 11 and >4. Use coupon code acb16 at checkout or simply >use >this link to apply the ACB coupon. We will Email you with the suite >number once it is available and also announce it on Twitter @atguys. >You can also stop by during this time to look at many of our items >and place orders. Note that preorders and pickups will only be >available during this time---we do not have an exhibit hall booth. > >Then, stop by one or both of our sessions that evening to learn >about our latest products and talk about the latest in assistive >technology. Look for more information in the convention agenda. > > > > >Other Items Available for Preorder > > > >Here's a list of other items we'll have available this year. > * > myCharge > Peak 6000 Talking External Battery Pack - Sale! $69.95 > * Charge your cell phone, voice recorder, and other devices > while on the go. Voice prompts indicate battery and charging > status, so you'll always know the status of your charger. Includes > fold-out wall plug for quick charging of the battery. Charge your > iPhone 2-3 times from one charge of the battery. > * > Matias > Full-size Aluminum Bluetooth Keyboard - $99 > * The Matias Aluminum Bluetooth Keyboard feels just like an > Apple keyboard and also includes a dedicated numeric pad and arrow > keys in the familiar layout. Plus, connect the Matias to up to 4 > devices at once and switch between them with the press of a key. > Also, charging your keyboard all the time is a thing of the past, > as the Matias features up to 1 year of battery life. > * > Switch > HomeKit Connected Plug - $49.99 > * Now you can control your fan, heater, coffee maker, and more > directly from your iPhone and Siri. Switch is the new connected > wall plug from iDevices. Turn items on and off with a Siri command, > or from the app. Plus, you can now monitor energy usage with the > accessible iDevices app and cut down on your electric bill. Plus, > do even more with the forthcoming Home app for iOS 10. > * > Sol > Republic Shadow Headset - $99.99 > * While supplies last. Sol Republic is a brand known for style > and function, and we're pleased to offer the Shadow Bluetooth > headset. These stereo earbuds rest around your neck and feature > deep bass, Bluetooth 4.0 support, and multi-device connectivity. > Plus, Sol Republic offers free replacement tips for life. > * > Aftershokz > Bluez 2S 3rd Generation Bluetooth Bone Conduction Headphones - $99.95 > * New model this year. The only Bluetooth stereo headphones that > allow you to tune in to music or calls without tuning out the > world, all with complete wireless freedom. Our open ear bone > conduction headphones guide mini vibrations through your cheekbones > to your inner ears, ensuring you can be open to ambient sound, even > when you're plugged in, working out or on the go. This latest model > features better transjuicers, the pads that go on your pads meaning > more sound for you and less for your neighbors. > The > Sports M3 wired model is also available for $49.95. > * > > New! The Perfect Remote for your phone or Computer > > > > * > Bluetooth > Multimedia Remote Control - $34.99. > * Phones and computers are great for playing music, but what if > you want to skip to the next song or adjust the volume from across > the room? The Bluetooth Multimedia Remote lets you wirelessly > control your iPhone, Android, or computer. Play and pause music, > skip to the next or previous track, adjust the volume, even > activate Siri from an extremely lightweight device. > * > iGrill2 > $99.99 and iGrill Mini $39.99 > * The iGrill2 and iGrill Mini are accessible cooking > thermometers which connect to your iPhone, iPod Touch, or iPad. > Connect the thermometer, select the type of meat or food your are > cooking, and relax. You will be alerted when your meat is done. > And, the app works great with VoiceOver. Connect multiple probes to > check the temperature for multiple items. Also now available, the > Ambient > Temperature Probe, great for use with a smoker or for just checking > the outdoor or room temperature. > * > SoundPods > Bluetooth Wireless Portable Speaker - $49.95 > * This little speaker puts out big sound! The SoundPod by Blue > Tiger is a wireless or wired heavy duty speaker with exceptional > sound quality that fits in the palm of your hand. With long battery > life, the SoundPOD will be putting out your tunes all day long. > Also features a Micro SD card slot to play music directly from the speaker. > * > SoundTrax > Bluetooth Headset - $99.95 > > * From the same company which produced the popular SoundPods > speaker comes a Bluetooth stereo headset with the same great > features. Wirelessly connect to your phone or play music using the > built-in Micro SD card slot or a headset adapter. These comfortable > on-ear headphones featured padded cups and deep bass. Works for up > to 30 hours on a single chaarge. > * > Meteor > Vibrating Pocket Watch - $117 > * The Meteor Vibrating Pocket Watch allows you to independently > know the current time without disturbing others. It features a > simple, three-button design and is especially ideal for persons > with hearing loss. > * > tech > Solutions from Hims > * We offer the Smart Beetle 14-cell braille display, Candy 4 HD2 > Portable Video Magnifier and the Blaze ET and EZ media players with OCR. > * > Customized > Quantum Omnidirectional Bar Code Scanner for BC Scan - $149 > * Get a free 3-year warranty when you preorder or purchase this > item at convention a $59 value. Presenting our most affordable bar > code solution yet. The Quantum is a portable bar code scanner that > includes a built-in swivel stand and features simple, hands-free > operation. Connect to your computer or notetaker for fast and > accurate scanning. Plus, never pay for the BC Scan service or > database updates. > * > Eloquence > and Vocalizer Voices for NVDA - $69 > * Now you can use the voices you love with NVDA, the free and > popular screen reader from NVAccess. The new Code Factory add-on > consists of the popular Eloquence and Vocalizer Text-To-Speech > synthesizer to be used with NVDA. Plus, we have a 7 day demo for > you to try it out. > * > Feel'n'see > Tactile Screenshots for iOS 9 > * Feel'n'See Screenshots are tactile and visual representations > of the major screens you'll encounter while using your iDevice. > Learn where the major icons are placed, get a feel for how screens > are laid out, and gain a greater understanding of your touch-screen > device. The 68-page guide includes screenshots for both iPhone and > iPad users and is available in braille ($25), large print $20), or > both braille and large print ($30. > * > RII > 66-key Mini Bluetooth Keyboard for iPhone, PC, Mac, Android - $45 > * One of our top sellers. Wirelessly connects to all modern > smartphones. Tactile key layout with number row, arrow keys, and > on/off switch. > * > Plantronics > Marque 2 Talking Bluetooth Headset - $59.95 > * The Plantronics Marque 2 is a one-ear, talking bluetooth > headset that effortlessly pairs with your iPhone, Android, or other > devices. Voice instructions will guide you through the setup > process, and the headset will tell you how much talk time is > remaining whenever you turn it on. Voice announcements for incoming > calls, power on/off, and pairing are also given. > * > Magpul > Low-profile Field Case for iPhone 6 - $16.95 > * If you're looking for a tough case for your iPhone without a > lot of bulk, this slimline case is a popular choice. > * > Tactile > Screen Protectors - Starting at $8 > * Featuring the full line of SpeedDots tactile screen overlays > for iPhone, iPad, iPad Mini, and iPod Touch. Several styles to > choose from. Type with confidence. Many models also available with > Otterbox cases. > * > USB > to AC Charging Adapter fits U.S. wall outlets - $10 > * You can never have enough of these adapters. Plug in your > iPhone or Android charging cable for fast wall charging. > >We will do our best to get items not on the above list. If we are >not able to bring an item to convention, we will let you know and >ship it to you for free. > > >have questions? Comments? As always, we'd love to hear from you. > >Phone: (269) 216-4798 >Skype: atguys >E-mail: support at atguys.com >Follow >Us on Twitter >Like >Us on Facebook > >[] > From nabs.president at gmail.com Thu Jun 30 20:30:19 2016 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Sean Whalen) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 14:30:19 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: NABS Social Tonight from 8 to 11! Message-ID: <004c01d1d30e$38c7b4f0$aa571ed0$@gmail.com> Good afternoon NABS, Just dropping a quick line to remind you of, and invite you to, the NABS Social tonight. It is being held in Suwannee 11 tonight at 8:00pm. The room is on the second level. Take a left after you go up the stairs out of the rotunda, take your first right, and the room is on the right-hand side. Come on out and chat with old friends and meet some new ones. NABS leaders will also be there to hear your thoughts on what our division is up to and what you would like to see NABS do in the coming years. Look forward to seeing many of you there! Take care, Sean Sean Whalen President, National Association of Blind Students (608) 957-7337 @nabslink www.nabslink.org