From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Tue Nov  1 02:54:30 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 22:54:30 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Resumes
Message-ID: <C0615631-8F5D-4104-ABE8-D1D9195DC17D@houghton.edu>

Hey All,

Just wondering about what should be included on a resume.
I have made them before so I know previous work, contact information, education Etc. but how far back should work experience go? I did a work program in freshman year of high school (in the summer) and then I did one while at the Carroll Center before my senior year.
Would I list those? THey were five weeks and paid. How would I explain the one from the carroll center if I was at one job three days a week for five weeks and the other only three days out of the five weeks?
Also, could I use those places as references?
Thanks for any responses.
Christina

From jameyanne at gmail.com  Tue Nov  1 03:21:03 2016
From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 23:21:03 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Resumes
In-Reply-To: <C0615631-8F5D-4104-ABE8-D1D9195DC17D@houghton.edu>
References: <C0615631-8F5D-4104-ABE8-D1D9195DC17D@houghton.edu>
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As I understand it, how far back you go depends on where you are in your
career. If you're a first year college student, you should definitely
include your summer work programs in high school. If you're a senior in
college (maybe if you're a junior too), and you've had other experiences,
you probably don't need to include them, unless the experience you gained
there is directly related to the jobs you're applying for. You can and
should have different resumes for different applications. If you're a grad
student, or a few years out of college applying to grad school, your high
school stuff should definitely not be there . Hope this is helpful.
Jameyanne

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Cc: Christina Moore <christina.moore16 at houghton.edu>
Subject: [nabs-l] Resumes

Hey All,

Just wondering about what should be included on a resume.
I have made them before so I know previous work, contact information,
education Etc. but how far back should work experience go? I did a work
program in freshman year of high school (in the summer) and then I did one
while at the Carroll Center before my senior year.
Would I list those? THey were five weeks and paid. How would I explain the
one from the carroll center if I was at one job three days a week for five
weeks and the other only three days out of the five weeks?
Also, could I use those places as references?
Thanks for any responses.
Christina
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From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Tue Nov  1 03:32:53 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 23:32:53 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Resumes
In-Reply-To: <006d01d233ee$fa270560$ee751020$@gmail.com>
References: <C0615631-8F5D-4104-ABE8-D1D9195DC17D@houghton.edu>
	<006d01d233ee$fa270560$ee751020$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A2E1B4B-16C5-4502-B870-FDCE6BB6BE6D@houghton.edu>

Hey Jameyanne,

Thanks. I am a second year senior and I have experiences I can list for my resume but they are all volunteering.
I am trying to find a part-time job but everything I am find that is entry-level says that the person needs a degree completed and one or two years of experience. None of them say just a degree or that you can start if almost done the degree.
I found a cashier position but I doubt I could do that not being able to use the touch screens that a lot of businesses use and with no way to read/scan the products fast enough.
Any ideas?
Christina
> On Oct 31, 2016, at 23:21, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> As I understand it, how far back you go depends on where you are in your
> career. If you're a first year college student, you should definitely
> include your summer work programs in high school. If you're a senior in
> college (maybe if you're a junior too), and you've had other experiences,
> you probably don't need to include them, unless the experience you gained
> there is directly related to the jobs you're applying for. You can and
> should have different resumes for different applications. If you're a grad
> student, or a few years out of college applying to grad school, your high
> school stuff should definitely not be there . Hope this is helpful.
> Jameyanne
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christina Moore
> via NABS-L
> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 10:55 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Christina Moore <christina.moore16 at houghton.edu>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Resumes
> 
> Hey All,
> 
> Just wondering about what should be included on a resume.
> I have made them before so I know previous work, contact information,
> education Etc. but how far back should work experience go? I did a work
> program in freshman year of high school (in the summer) and then I did one
> while at the Carroll Center before my senior year.
> Would I list those? THey were five weeks and paid. How would I explain the
> one from the carroll center if I was at one job three days a week for five
> weeks and the other only three days out of the five weeks?
> Also, could I use those places as references?
> Thanks for any responses.
> Christina
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From Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu  Tue Nov  1 04:25:53 2016
From: Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte (Student))
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 04:25:53 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] October NABS Notes
Message-ID: <0514F32B-083B-4F19-81FF-FD9D305D7B25@mainex1.asu.edu>

Greetings NABS,

Join us in reading this months NABS Notes. Every month we strive to bring you all the important information from the month in one easy to read digest. Congratulations to our NABS Trivia winner Aleeha Dudley who not only submitted her answers first but did it in roughly 15 minutes after the trivia went live! Thank you to those who participated and we look forward to more next month. As always please contact Bryan Duarte if you have any questions or comments at
bjduarte at asu.edu<mailto:bjduarte at asu.edu>

Here is the link to the NABS Notes:
http://nabslink.org/content/nabs-notes-october

Bryan Duarte software engineer
ASU Computer Science Ph.D Student
National Association of Blind Students | Board Member
Arizona Association of Blind Students | President
QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/

“let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.”
-- St. Teresa of Avila


From carlymih at comcast.net  Tue Nov  1 11:57:27 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2016 04:57:27 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Citations on papers and accommodations in law  school
In-Reply-To: <2813CD25-055E-4970-AD0F-F6D7AC12197F@gmail.com>
References: <C5A96A02-A5CE-4052-82A9-50FC17EB1AA4@gmail.com>
	<016001d23309$cde2c9c0$69a85d40$@gmail.com>
	<2813CD25-055E-4970-AD0F-F6D7AC12197F@gmail.com>
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Good morning, Amy,

         Don't know. Usually, I just try to learn the form in which 
the citation is supposed to appear. that is,  Because the citation 
process in fact, tends to be so problematic for the reasons you named 
and more, with your own understanding and conceptualization, at least 
those minor snags tend to be transparent if you can rely on your own knowing
Car.
nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee Harwood
> > via NABS-L
> > Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 7:41 PM
> > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > Cc: Aimee Harwood <awildheir at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [nabs-l] Citations on papers and accommodations in law school
> >
> > Hello group,
> >
> >
> > I have a Judicial Opinion to write for my legal methods class.  How do you
> > get the citations system for the bluebook memorized?  How much assistance
> > can I request from my school in learning this?  I feel as if I am 
> denied any
> > time I make a request for assistance.
> >
> > My second question is, when considering accommodations in law school, what
> > constitutes a fundamental alteration to the program?  I feel like if I know
> > the definition of this aspect of the ADA and  rather Rehabilitation Act, I
> > can better push back when they refuse an appropriate request.
> >
> > Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.
> > Aimee Sent from my iPhone
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  1 12:58:47 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 08:58:47 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Resumes
In-Reply-To: <006d01d233ee$fa270560$ee751020$@gmail.com>
References: <C0615631-8F5D-4104-ABE8-D1D9195DC17D@houghton.edu>
	<006d01d233ee$fa270560$ee751020$@gmail.com>
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Put whatever you guys have; volunteer, parttime, education, and if you gpa
is 3.6 or more, put that on their two.
 Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jameyanne
Fuller via NABS-L
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 11:21 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Jameyanne Fuller <jameyanne at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Resumes

As I understand it, how far back you go depends on where you are in your
career. If you're a first year college student, you should definitely
include your summer work programs in high school. If you're a senior in
college (maybe if you're a junior too), and you've had other experiences,
you probably don't need to include them, unless the experience you gained
there is directly related to the jobs you're applying for. You can and
should have different resumes for different applications. If you're a grad
student, or a few years out of college applying to grad school, your high
school stuff should definitely not be there . Hope this is helpful.
Jameyanne

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christina Moore
via NABS-L
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 10:55 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Christina Moore <christina.moore16 at houghton.edu>
Subject: [nabs-l] Resumes

Hey All,

Just wondering about what should be included on a resume.
I have made them before so I know previous work, contact information,
education Etc. but how far back should work experience go? I did a work
program in freshman year of high school (in the summer) and then I did one
while at the Carroll Center before my senior year.
Would I list those? THey were five weeks and paid. How would I explain the
one from the carroll center if I was at one job three days a week for five
weeks and the other only three days out of the five weeks?
Also, could I use those places as references?
Thanks for any responses.
Christina
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  1 16:07:49 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 16:07:49 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Any Suggestions for Blindness Literature?
Message-ID: <SN1PR12MB015923D21F2B97C5C4ADFD0BBAA10@SN1PR12MB0159.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Hello All,

I recently posted a question about how to go about dealing with a professor who thinks I am the most amazing person simply because I happen to be blind. I really appreciate all the suggestions that everyone gave me about how to go about handling this situation. Since I did not have time to meet with my professor last week, I sent him an email telling him that I was beginning to feel a bit uncomfortable in his class due to the fact that he either feels uncomfortable or unsure about how to communicate and interact with me as a blind student.

However, I am not quite sure how well this email helped the situation as I was a bit frustrated with other things when I wrote my email to him. As a result of my stress and frustration, I am not quite sure how well I came across in the email I sent my professor last week. But hopefully it serves as a good starting point in being able to talk to my professor about this situation.

I am sure he is simply curious about how I do things as a blind person. It  sounds as though he has not had too much interaction with other blind people. I would really like to be able to sit down with him and answer all his questions about how I do things as a blind person. However, my schedule is rather busy right now, and I feel as though I simply do not have the time to sit down with him and answer all his questions. Since I do not have the time to sit down and answer all his questions about blindness, I thought perhaps I could just simply share some articles on how blind people do things as they live independent lives.

However, I must admit, it has been a while since I have read through NFB literature. So I am simply curious, what articles would you share with someone who had questions about how you do things as a blind person if you did not have the time to sit down and talk to them about how you do things as a blind person? Are there any good articles to share that would summarize how blind people do things as a blind person without going too in-depth on a particular skill that blind people use in their daily lives? I can think of a couple of good articles as it relates to blindness philosophy, but I do not think an article on blindness philosophy works for someone who is rather curious about how blind people do things as blind people living independent lives. So any suggestions on articles I could share with my professor would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Elizabeth

From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Nov  2 02:08:46 2016
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2016 21:08:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Resumes
In-Reply-To: <C0615631-8F5D-4104-ABE8-D1D9195DC17D@houghton.edu>
References: <C0615631-8F5D-4104-ABE8-D1D9195DC17D@houghton.edu>
Message-ID: <auto-000069075566@mailfront2.g2host.com>

You use what will help you.  If a job, even part-time is relevant to 
the current position you are applying for then use it.  If a 
reference will say good things, and her knowledge of you is related 
to the job you are applying for, then use her.  The experts will tell 
you you should personalize the resume, references, and letter for 
each job. Put in what will help.

Dave

At 09:54 PM 10/31/2016, you wrote:
>Hey All,
>
>Just wondering about what should be included on a resume.
>I have made them before so I know previous work, contact 
>information, education Etc. but how far back should work experience 
>go? I did a work program in freshman year of high school (in the 
>summer) and then I did one while at the Carroll Center before my senior year.
>Would I list those? THey were five weeks and paid. How would I 
>explain the one from the carroll center if I was at one job three 
>days a week for five weeks and the other only three days out of the five weeks?
>Also, could I use those places as references?
>Thanks for any responses.
>Christina



From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Wed Nov  2 03:47:57 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 20:47:57 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Any Suggestions for Blindness Literature?
In-Reply-To: <SN1PR12MB015923D21F2B97C5C4ADFD0BBAA10@SN1PR12MB0159.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SN1PR12MB015923D21F2B97C5C4ADFD0BBAA10@SN1PR12MB0159.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
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Hi Elizabeth,
I completely understand where you are coming from about it being frustrating for sighted people talking to  the blind. I am not an expert on blindness literature, but I do have a couple of suggestions nonetheless.
My first idea would be to think of the most common questions you think the professor would have for your specific situation, if that makes sense. For example, in my situation, I would explain that I use a cane to get around, and might elaborate on the fact that I have  2 types, one that folds. I tend to prefer the folding cane for easy storage in a holster, and this is just my personal preference, and often one professors in my experience seem a little more comfortable with.
Then I would explain my devices. In my case, I use a Braillenote Apex. I would give a bit of information about how it works, and that I use it with my phone as a pair so that I have better Internet access.
I could then explain how I would use these devices to complete work, and then explain my preferred method of handing work in to the teacher.
My second idea is to just leave everything completely open.  You could just send him an email asking him if he has any questions, and to direct these questions to you in his reply.
Like I said, I am not the best at blindness literature, but I feel that your professor might be more interested in something coming directly from you.
One more thing: in my experience it seems like people are awkward at first around blind folks just because they have never  had to deal with them before and don't understand how much to help. A sighted friend of mine at LCB who currently attends Louisiana Tech explained it well to me when she said that there are so many blind people around, all requiring, or thinking they need, different levels of assistance, so there is no standard.
Vejas   

> On Nov 1, 2016, at 09:07, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I recently posted a question about how to go about dealing with a professor who thinks I am the most amazing person simply because I happen to be blind. I really appreciate all the suggestions that everyone gave me about how to go about handling this situation. Since I did not have time to meet with my professor last week, I sent him an email telling him that I was beginning to feel a bit uncomfortable in his class due to the fact that he either feels uncomfortable or unsure about how to communicate and interact with me as a blind student.
> 
> However, I am not quite sure how well this email helped the situation as I was a bit frustrated with other things when I wrote my email to him. As a result of my stress and frustration, I am not quite sure how well I came across in the email I sent my professor last week. But hopefully it serves as a good starting point in being able to talk to my professor about this situation.
> 
> I am sure he is simply curious about how I do things as a blind person. It  sounds as though he has not had too much interaction with other blind people. I would really like to be able to sit down with him and answer all his questions about how I do things as a blind person. However, my schedule is rather busy right now, and I feel as though I simply do not have the time to sit down with him and answer all his questions. Since I do not have the time to sit down and answer all his questions about blindness, I thought perhaps I could just simply share some articles on how blind people do things as they live independent lives.
> 
> However, I must admit, it has been a while since I have read through NFB literature. So I am simply curious, what articles would you share with someone who had questions about how you do things as a blind person if you did not have the time to sit down and talk to them about how you do things as a blind person? Are there any good articles to share that would summarize how blind people do things as a blind person without going too in-depth on a particular skill that blind people use in their daily lives? I can think of a couple of good articles as it relates to blindness philosophy, but I do not think an article on blindness philosophy works for someone who is rather curious about how blind people do things as blind people living independent lives. So any suggestions on articles I could share with my professor would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Wed Nov  2 11:59:03 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2016 04:59:03 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Any Suggestions for Blindness Literature?
In-Reply-To: <SN1PR12MB015923D21F2B97C5C4ADFD0BBAA10@SN1PR12MB0159.nampr
	d12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SN1PR12MB015923D21F2B97C5C4ADFD0BBAA10@SN1PR12MB0159.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.300.1772982283.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Good morning, Elizabeth,

         I guess, giving your professor homework, you know, stuff to 
read, indeed, is one way to go about it but this necessary minutia 
always seemed a bit more meaningful if I tried to simply show him 
what I am about and of course, encouraging any of his questions?
Car AM 11/1/2016, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote:
>Hello All,
>
>I recently posted a question about how to go about dealing with a 
>professor who thinks I am the most amazing person simply because I 
>happen to be blind. I really appreciate all the suggestions that 
>everyone gave me about how to go about handling this situation. 
>Since I did not have time to meet with my professor last week, I 
>sent him an email telling him that I was beginning to feel a bit 
>uncomfortable in his class due to the fact that he either feels 
>uncomfortable or unsure about how to communicate and interact with 
>me as a blind student.
>
>However, I am not quite sure how well this email helped the 
>situation as I was a bit frustrated with other things when I wrote 
>my email to him. As a result of my stress and frustration, I am not 
>quite sure how well I came across in the email I sent my professor 
>last week. But hopefully it serves as a good starting point in being 
>able to talk to my professor about this situation.
>
>I am sure he is simply curious about how I do things as a blind 
>person. It  sounds as though he has not had too much interaction 
>with other blind people. I would really like to be able to sit down 
>with him and answer all his questions about how I do things as a 
>blind person. However, my schedule is rather busy right now, and I 
>feel as though I simply do not have the time to sit down with him 
>and answer all his questions. Since I do not have the time to sit 
>down and answer all his questions about blindness, I thought perhaps 
>I could just simply share some articles on how blind people do 
>things as they live independent lives.
>
>However, I must admit, it has been a while since I have read through 
>NFB literature. So I am simply curious, what articles would you 
>share with someone who had questions about how you do things as a 
>blind person if you did not have the time to sit down and talk to 
>them about how you do things as a blind person? Are there any good 
>articles to share that would summarize how blind people do things as 
>a blind person without going too in-depth on a particular skill that 
>blind people use in their daily lives? I can think of a couple of 
>good articles as it relates to blindness philosophy, but I do not 
>think an article on blindness philosophy works for someone who is 
>rather curious about how blind people do things as blind people 
>living independent lives. So any suggestions on articles I could 
>share with my professor would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>Elizabeth
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From emitchell927 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  2 15:20:48 2016
From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 11:20:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] George Washington university Chua_AIMHEA.docx
Message-ID: <190C145B-FB2C-49E6-B353-94C12BE9B9E9@gmail.com>

Dear everyone my school GWU is going to  vote on and support aim hea and I want everyone to look on the legislation and perhaps we will have another supportive school in helping us live the lives we want.
My school is the George Washington University in Washington, D.C. 

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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  2 15:59:42 2016
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 09:59:42 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Certification
Message-ID: <19C1C051-A255-412C-9CE3-81E131B5DB88@gmail.com>

Good morning,

I don't feel that I have a lot of time to research so I am hoping some one can point me in the right direction and save me a little time.  

My question is about laws regarding accommodations and such.  I know that institutions  of higher education such as colleges and Universities must provide accommodations.  My understanding is that this also applies to private institutions.  But what about certification programs.  I'm sure they must follow the ADA laws as well.  But are there any differences and how does that all work.  And some certificiation programs are at schools and some are online or through the mail distance learning.  
Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Anna E Givens



From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  2 17:16:50 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 13:16:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Certification
In-Reply-To: <19C1C051-A255-412C-9CE3-81E131B5DB88@gmail.com>
References: <19C1C051-A255-412C-9CE3-81E131B5DB88@gmail.com>
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Title 3 is you law for that one; it covers private institutions for tye
public; that would be aken to the tech schools.
 Justin

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Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 12:00 PM
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Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com
Subject: [nabs-l] Certification

Good morning,

I don't feel that I have a lot of time to research so I am hoping some one
can point me in the right direction and save me a little time.  

My question is about laws regarding accommodations and such.  I know that
institutions  of higher education such as colleges and Universities must
provide accommodations.  My understanding is that this also applies to
private institutions.  But what about certification programs.  I'm sure they
must follow the ADA laws as well.  But are there any differences and how
does that all work.  And some certificiation programs are at schools and
some are online or through the mail distance learning.  
Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Anna E Givens


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From jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com  Thu Nov  3 19:34:04 2016
From: jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com (Jason Polansky)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 15:34:04 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Textbooks on using screen readers and Microsoft programs
 from Access Technology Institute
Message-ID: <D1F28961-438F-413F-B41A-D49BFD2EDEF2@gmail.com>

Hello all,
I wanted to inform you of an excellent resource for learning technology as a blind student or individual that many of you most likely have never heard of. The web site is www.blind.training, and it's managed by CathyAnne Murtha. She has written textbooks on Microsoft Word, PowerPoint, Excel, Internet explorer, Outlook, and using JAWS and Window Eyes in general. The textbooks go into more advanced features that we often times have not been taught and ones often believed to be inaccessible, and they're explained in a way that is simple to understand. I'm pretty sure each textbook runs for $90, but I think it's worth the investment, at least the Excel one was for me. When you purchase it, you receive a link to a zip file that can be downloaded. It includes an mp3 version, a text file, a docx file, and other useful files and worksheets. I just learned about it yesterday after posting to the computer science list. I can tell that she spent a lot of time compiling these resources, and this definitely needs to be promoted far and wide through the NFB and to blind persons and professionals in the blindness field. It's a resource the most do not know about, but I believe that it's crucial that we share it, especially in this technologically advday society in which many blind people are not keeping up with.

From jldail13 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  3 20:07:03 2016
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2016 16:07:03 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] eliminating format indicators in Google sheets file
Message-ID: <581b98eb.0860240a.dd6c8.de55@mx.google.com>

Hi,
I have a Google sheets file stored in Google drive, and I'd like to remove format indicators.
I'm using my BN touch.
Can anyone tell me how to do this?
Thanks,
Jessica

From ALewis at nfb.org  Thu Nov  3 20:59:45 2016
From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 20:59:45 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Wells Fargo Commits $1 Million to Scholarship America for
 People with Disabilities
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Wells Fargo Commits $1 Million to Scholarship America for People with Disabilities
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Nov  4 04:39:49 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 00:39:49 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] file sharing sites
Message-ID: <1C1AEF573E074D118E1BE275B1212E61@OwnerPC>

Hi all,

There are  many file sharing services out there; most are free unless you need more space and then you have to pay for more storage.
I think email is a good way to send files. But not everyone has email and sometimes files are too big to send.

I want to use file sharing sites. Which ones are good with the screen reader Jaws? I also want one that enables you to let the other users download the files without having an account. I’m thinking of using Sendspace. And in case you thought of it, I do not want to use dropvox as to me it seems hard to use and I think requires the end user to have an account.

Thanks for any ideas.

Ashley

From zdreicer at gmail.com  Fri Nov  4 04:58:25 2016
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 23:58:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] file sharing sites
In-Reply-To: <1C1AEF573E074D118E1BE275B1212E61@OwnerPC>
References: <1C1AEF573E074D118E1BE275B1212E61@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <DA991CD7-F853-40B6-95A2-A58EDDC09C36@gmail.com>

Ashley and all, good evening. Specifically in answer to your question regarding dropbox, no. The end recipient  need not have a dropbox account. The computers interface which even has folders on your system will allow you to copy a unique URL and paste it into a transmission that is destined to recipients. Only you would need a dropbox account. New or dropbox version, it's even possible to send direct links from other than public, which I found extremely useful before. I do not have experience with other file sharing service. I hope that helps.

Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver

> On Nov 3, 2016, at 23:39, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> There are  many file sharing services out there; most are free unless you need more space and then you have to pay for more storage.
> I think email is a good way to send files. But not everyone has email and sometimes files are too big to send.
> 
> I want to use file sharing sites. Which ones are good with the screen reader Jaws? I also want one that enables you to let the other users download the files without having an account. I’m thinking of using Sendspace. And in case you thought of it, I do not want to use dropvox as to me it seems hard to use and I think requires the end user to have an account.
> 
> Thanks for any ideas.
> 
> Ashley
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  4 04:54:35 2016
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 00:54:35 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] English major Private Tutor
Message-ID: <CD8AB1E2-AAD9-413D-9CD1-FBA9DC8C9EAB@gmail.com>

Hi all! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do any one of you know an English Major private tutor who can offer me private tutoring?  Just wondering. I'm a University student,and I need help with an understanding of a reading in order to write an argumentative essay for my English literature class, and create a good argument fo rmy essay. I'm an English major, but I'm having some difficulties. I will really appreciate any information you can provide me guys! I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!

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From bestca21 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  4 10:28:22 2016
From: bestca21 at gmail.com (Caitlin Best)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 03:28:22 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] file sharing sites
In-Reply-To: <1C1AEF573E074D118E1BE275B1212E61@OwnerPC>
References: <1C1AEF573E074D118E1BE275B1212E61@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <28C24E83-8EAC-47B7-88AE-E90D2A18EA20@gmail.com>

Dropbox and send space are both good. I think google drive is also good. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 3, 2016, at 21:39, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> There are  many file sharing services out there; most are free unless you need more space and then you have to pay for more storage.
> I think email is a good way to send files. But not everyone has email and sometimes files are too big to send.
> 
> I want to use file sharing sites. Which ones are good with the screen reader Jaws? I also want one that enables you to let the other users download the files without having an account. I’m thinking of using Sendspace. And in case you thought of it, I do not want to use dropvox as to me it seems hard to use and I think requires the end user to have an account.
> 
> Thanks for any ideas.
> 
> Ashley
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From emitchell927 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  4 13:13:10 2016
From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 09:13:10 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] English major Private Tutor
In-Reply-To: <CD8AB1E2-AAD9-413D-9CD1-FBA9DC8C9EAB@gmail.com>
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I am an English major at my university I could help.
Emma

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 4, 2016, at 12:54 AM, Helga Schreiber via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do any one of you know an English Major private tutor who can offer me private tutoring?  Just wondering. I'm a University student,and I need help with an understanding of a reading in order to write an argumentative essay for my English literature class, and create a good argument fo rmy essay. I'm an English major, but I'm having some difficulties. I will really appreciate any information you can provide me guys! I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!
> 
>  Helga Schreiber 
> Group Moderator  
> 
>  for the IPad help for the blind 
> 
> IPadhelpfortheblind+subscribe at groups.io  
> 
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
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From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  4 15:58:38 2016
From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 11:58:38 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] file sharing sites
In-Reply-To: <28C24E83-8EAC-47B7-88AE-E90D2A18EA20@gmail.com>
References: <1C1AEF573E074D118E1BE275B1212E61@OwnerPC>
	<28C24E83-8EAC-47B7-88AE-E90D2A18EA20@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+6VNgMVGUM9d+u8KBcUBdaZNCamMHSSpvqEKsbT_HKinbeX4w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ashley,

I would strongly encourage you to give Dropbox a try. I have found it
very easy to use, and as the others mentioned, it does not require the
file recipient to have an account. I'm not a big fan of Google Drive
and do not know much about the other file sharing platforms.

Katie

On 11/4/16, Caitlin Best via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Dropbox and send space are both good. I think google drive is also good.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 21:39, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> There are  many file sharing services out there; most are free unless you
>> need more space and then you have to pay for more storage.
>> I think email is a good way to send files. But not everyone has email and
>> sometimes files are too big to send.
>>
>> I want to use file sharing sites. Which ones are good with the screen
>> reader Jaws? I also want one that enables you to let the other users
>> download the files without having an account. I’m thinking of using
>> Sendspace. And in case you thought of it, I do not want to use dropvox as
>> to me it seems hard to use and I think requires the end user to have an
>> account.
>>
>> Thanks for any ideas.
>>
>> Ashley
>> _______________________________________________
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  4 16:36:47 2016
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 12:36:47 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] English major Private Tutor
In-Reply-To: <157EAF9D-A394-43F6-A71F-3E88DC52D7DE@gmail.com>
References: <CD8AB1E2-AAD9-413D-9CD1-FBA9DC8C9EAB@gmail.com>
	<157EAF9D-A394-43F6-A71F-3E88DC52D7DE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F2F6753A-B748-42C1-AACF-9B093FF5A613@gmail.com>

Hi Emma. How are you? Thanks so much for replying! Feel free to contact me off list in order to talk more about this.  My emil address is helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  I look forward in hearing from you soon! Thanks so much and God bless

  Helga Schreiber 
Group Moderator  
 
  for the IPad help for the blind 
 
IPadhelpfortheblind+subscribe at groups.io  

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
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INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.1    

> On Nov 4, 2016, at 9:13 AM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> E

From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sun Nov  6 02:57:39 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 02:57:39 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Any Suggestions for Blindness Literature?
In-Reply-To: <92089813-300C-41DB-B1C0-7B68EC3E159E@gmail.com>
References: <SN1PR12MB015923D21F2B97C5C4ADFD0BBAA10@SN1PR12MB0159.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
	<92089813-300C-41DB-B1C0-7B68EC3E159E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SN1PR12MB0159CFC52D20077FF8C9C366BAA40@SN1PR12MB0159.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Hello Vejas and Carly,

Thank you for your suggestions. My schedule has been rather busy lately, and I am not always quite sure how to answer vague questions about blindness, especially when my mind is focused on other things. So this is why I thought providing my professor with some literature might be helpful after trying to talk to him about how he is treating me makes me feel uncomfortable. 

I understand people may feel a bit awkward around me as a blind person when they first meet me. However, it is now beyond the middle of the semester, and it feels as though my professor still feels a bit uncomfortable interacting with me as a blind person.

One day as I was entering class and finding my seat, I heard my professor tell me that he does not know how I do it. Since it appears as though I have migrated in terms of where I sit in the classroom, I responded by telling him that I did not know how I do it either. However, it was not until after this exchange of comments were made that I realized that my professor and I were talking about two different things. It seemed to me that he simply could not understand how I could possibly get around independently as a blind person. However, since I was yet again migrating to the next row over when finding a seat, I was wondering how it is that I keep migrating to the next row of seats rather than simply head towards the seat that I normally sit in during class. I generally sit in the same seat in class for all of my classes, so the fact that I keep migrating to other seats for this particular class puzzles me a bit.

There was also another day where my professor followed me out to the bus stop and waited there with me until my ride showed up to pick me up. While I was standing there, I used my Victor Stream to find the phone number for the person who was picking me up, and called the person who was picking me up from the bus stop on my IPhone. From my point of view, I was just doing what I needed to do to find out if my ride was still planning to pick me up at this particular location. However, my professor thought that I was somehow amazing for being able to do this simple task. The fact that my professor followed me out to the bus stop really made me feel uncomfortable, and the fact that he thinks I am amazing simply for being able to walk to the bus stop and make a phone call tells me that he has rather low expectations of me as a blind person.

I honestly do not know how to describe the blindness techniques I use when getting around independently as a blind person. I have never really had any real formal training in the skills of blindness, so most of the techniques I use are simply based on what I have seen other people do that I have simply adopted to work for me. So when people ask me how I am able to get around independently as a blind person, I honestly have no idea how to answer this question because I simply do what comes natural to me. 

Since I have clearly demonstrated my capabilities as a blind student, I thought perhaps providing him with some additional information in the form of literature would help him understand that I am really just another student in his sociology class. I feel as though it is really not my responsibility to sit down with my professor and answer every question he might have about blindness just to satisfy his curiosity. I only have so much time in my schedule, and sometimes I simply have more important things to do. So again, I simply thought providing my professor with some literature on blindness might help this situation.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 11:48 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Any Suggestions for Blindness Literature?

Hi Elizabeth,
I completely understand where you are coming from about it being frustrating for sighted people talking to  the blind. I am not an expert on blindness literature, but I do have a couple of suggestions nonetheless.
My first idea would be to think of the most common questions you think the professor would have for your specific situation, if that makes sense. For example, in my situation, I would explain that I use a cane to get around, and might elaborate on the fact that I have  2 types, one that folds. I tend to prefer the folding cane for easy storage in a holster, and this is just my personal preference, and often one professors in my experience seem a little more comfortable with.
Then I would explain my devices. In my case, I use a Braillenote Apex. I would give a bit of information about how it works, and that I use it with my phone as a pair so that I have better Internet access.
I could then explain how I would use these devices to complete work, and then explain my preferred method of handing work in to the teacher.
My second idea is to just leave everything completely open.  You could just send him an email asking him if he has any questions, and to direct these questions to you in his reply.
Like I said, I am not the best at blindness literature, but I feel that your professor might be more interested in something coming directly from you.
One more thing: in my experience it seems like people are awkward at first around blind folks just because they have never  had to deal with them before and don't understand how much to help. A sighted friend of mine at LCB who currently attends Louisiana Tech explained it well to me when she said that there are so many blind people around, all requiring, or thinking they need, different levels of assistance, so there is no standard.
Vejas   

> On Nov 1, 2016, at 09:07, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I recently posted a question about how to go about dealing with a professor who thinks I am the most amazing person simply because I happen to be blind. I really appreciate all the suggestions that everyone gave me about how to go about handling this situation. Since I did not have time to meet with my professor last week, I sent him an email telling him that I was beginning to feel a bit uncomfortable in his class due to the fact that he either feels uncomfortable or unsure about how to communicate and interact with me as a blind student.
> 
> However, I am not quite sure how well this email helped the situation as I was a bit frustrated with other things when I wrote my email to him. As a result of my stress and frustration, I am not quite sure how well I came across in the email I sent my professor last week. But hopefully it serves as a good starting point in being able to talk to my professor about this situation.
> 
> I am sure he is simply curious about how I do things as a blind person. It  sounds as though he has not had too much interaction with other blind people. I would really like to be able to sit down with him and answer all his questions about how I do things as a blind person. However, my schedule is rather busy right now, and I feel as though I simply do not have the time to sit down with him and answer all his questions. Since I do not have the time to sit down and answer all his questions about blindness, I thought perhaps I could just simply share some articles on how blind people do things as they live independent lives.
> 
> However, I must admit, it has been a while since I have read through NFB literature. So I am simply curious, what articles would you share with someone who had questions about how you do things as a blind person if you did not have the time to sit down and talk to them about how you do things as a blind person? Are there any good articles to share that would summarize how blind people do things as a blind person without going too in-depth on a particular skill that blind people use in their daily lives? I can think of a couple of good articles as it relates to blindness philosophy, but I do not think an article on blindness philosophy works for someone who is rather curious about how blind people do things as blind people living independent lives. So any suggestions on articles I could share with my professor would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
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From kestomberg at coe.edu  Sun Nov  6 05:58:40 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 00:58:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Any Suggestions for Blindness Literature?
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First of all, that is really weird. I felt uncomfortable just reading about what your professor has been doing. While it is better than saying that you're simply can't do things or discriminating against you by not allowing you to be in class or something like that, it is still wildly inappropriate.
Second, I might have an idea for some literature. Someone correct me if I'm wrong about this. But I believe that the national Federation of the blind has something called Colonel books. At least, I think that's what they're called. Anyway, they are literally just short stories about blind people doing every day things. I think if you call the national office, you can order a couple. Then, your professor would be able to read about other blind people just doing normal things. Hopefully, he would see that being able to call someone is not this amazing thing that you can do. I mean, he probably calls people sometimes too. :-) Honestly, this is a very strange situation and I do not envy you. Let me know if there's anything else I can do to help.

Kennedy Stomberg 
(218)295-2391 

> On Nov 5, 2016, at 9:57 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Vejas and Carly,
> 
> Thank you for your suggestions. My schedule has been rather busy lately, and I am not always quite sure how to answer vague questions about blindness, especially when my mind is focused on other things. So this is why I thought providing my professor with some literature might be helpful after trying to talk to him about how he is treating me makes me feel uncomfortable. 
> 
> I understand people may feel a bit awkward around me as a blind person when they first meet me. However, it is now beyond the middle of the semester, and it feels as though my professor still feels a bit uncomfortable interacting with me as a blind person.
> 
> One day as I was entering class and finding my seat, I heard my professor tell me that he does not know how I do it. Since it appears as though I have migrated in terms of where I sit in the classroom, I responded by telling him that I did not know how I do it either. However, it was not until after this exchange of comments were made that I realized that my professor and I were talking about two different things. It seemed to me that he simply could not understand how I could possibly get around independently as a blind person. However, since I was yet again migrating to the next row over when finding a seat, I was wondering how it is that I keep migrating to the next row of seats rather than simply head towards the seat that I normally sit in during class. I generally sit in the same seat in class for all of my classes, so the fact that I keep migrating to other seats for this particular class puzzles me a bit.
> 
> There was also another day where my professor followed me out to the bus stop and waited there with me until my ride showed up to pick me up. While I was standing there, I used my Victor Stream to find the phone number for the person who was picking me up, and called the person who was picking me up from the bus stop on my IPhone. From my point of view, I was just doing what I needed to do to find out if my ride was still planning to pick me up at this particular location. However, my professor thought that I was somehow amazing for being able to do this simple task. The fact that my professor followed me out to the bus stop really made me feel uncomfortable, and the fact that he thinks I am amazing simply for being able to walk to the bus stop and make a phone call tells me that he has rather low expectations of me as a blind person.
> 
> I honestly do not know how to describe the blindness techniques I use when getting around independently as a blind person. I have never really had any real formal training in the skills of blindness, so most of the techniques I use are simply based on what I have seen other people do that I have simply adopted to work for me. So when people ask me how I am able to get around independently as a blind person, I honestly have no idea how to answer this question because I simply do what comes natural to me. 
> 
> Since I have clearly demonstrated my capabilities as a blind student, I thought perhaps providing him with some additional information in the form of literature would help him understand that I am really just another student in his sociology class. I feel as though it is really not my responsibility to sit down with my professor and answer every question he might have about blindness just to satisfy his curiosity. I only have so much time in my schedule, and sometimes I simply have more important things to do. So again, I simply thought providing my professor with some literature on blindness might help this situation.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 11:48 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Any Suggestions for Blindness Literature?
> 
> Hi Elizabeth,
> I completely understand where you are coming from about it being frustrating for sighted people talking to  the blind. I am not an expert on blindness literature, but I do have a couple of suggestions nonetheless.
> My first idea would be to think of the most common questions you think the professor would have for your specific situation, if that makes sense. For example, in my situation, I would explain that I use a cane to get around, and might elaborate on the fact that I have  2 types, one that folds. I tend to prefer the folding cane for easy storage in a holster, and this is just my personal preference, and often one professors in my experience seem a little more comfortable with.
> Then I would explain my devices. In my case, I use a Braillenote Apex. I would give a bit of information about how it works, and that I use it with my phone as a pair so that I have better Internet access.
> I could then explain how I would use these devices to complete work, and then explain my preferred method of handing work in to the teacher.
> My second idea is to just leave everything completely open.  You could just send him an email asking him if he has any questions, and to direct these questions to you in his reply.
> Like I said, I am not the best at blindness literature, but I feel that your professor might be more interested in something coming directly from you.
> One more thing: in my experience it seems like people are awkward at first around blind folks just because they have never  had to deal with them before and don't understand how much to help. A sighted friend of mine at LCB who currently attends Louisiana Tech explained it well to me when she said that there are so many blind people around, all requiring, or thinking they need, different levels of assistance, so there is no standard.
> Vejas   
> 
>> On Nov 1, 2016, at 09:07, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I recently posted a question about how to go about dealing with a professor who thinks I am the most amazing person simply because I happen to be blind. I really appreciate all the suggestions that everyone gave me about how to go about handling this situation. Since I did not have time to meet with my professor last week, I sent him an email telling him that I was beginning to feel a bit uncomfortable in his class due to the fact that he either feels uncomfortable or unsure about how to communicate and interact with me as a blind student.
>> 
>> However, I am not quite sure how well this email helped the situation as I was a bit frustrated with other things when I wrote my email to him. As a result of my stress and frustration, I am not quite sure how well I came across in the email I sent my professor last week. But hopefully it serves as a good starting point in being able to talk to my professor about this situation.
>> 
>> I am sure he is simply curious about how I do things as a blind person. It  sounds as though he has not had too much interaction with other blind people. I would really like to be able to sit down with him and answer all his questions about how I do things as a blind person. However, my schedule is rather busy right now, and I feel as though I simply do not have the time to sit down with him and answer all his questions. Since I do not have the time to sit down and answer all his questions about blindness, I thought perhaps I could just simply share some articles on how blind people do things as they live independent lives.
>> 
>> However, I must admit, it has been a while since I have read through NFB literature. So I am simply curious, what articles would you share with someone who had questions about how you do things as a blind person if you did not have the time to sit down and talk to them about how you do things as a blind person? Are there any good articles to share that would summarize how blind people do things as a blind person without going too in-depth on a particular skill that blind people use in their daily lives? I can think of a couple of good articles as it relates to blindness philosophy, but I do not think an article on blindness philosophy works for someone who is rather curious about how blind people do things as blind people living independent lives. So any suggestions on articles I could share with my professor would be greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Elizabeth
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From truewise.8614 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 06:52:08 2016
From: truewise.8614 at gmail.com (Vanna Song)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 23:52:08 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] New Member Intro
Message-ID: <CAOrr3bMRmMQoZyb-6KG5odRdp9ODJeUTLwC4c=dBd8YOLVH=Bw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

My name is Vanna. I came across this group from a mentor from Learning
Ally. I'm finishing up the last quarter of my undergraduate degree at
Evergreen State College. I will be going to grad school afterwards. I
figured I could get some ideas on continuing success as a higher-ed
student who is blind, and interact with others who are in higher-ed or
who have finished.

Have any questions, you can message me.

Thanks.


From sr0038 at mix.wvu.edu  Sun Nov  6 12:43:50 2016
From: sr0038 at mix.wvu.edu (Suman Rath)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 07:43:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] New member introduction
Message-ID: <CA+STaWnh7dmfES1SJ7BXygdfBsQ+n=1jMvto3oVRu6CjUYQ+9Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
I am Suman Rath and am currently pursuing a doctoral degree in
management at West Virginia university.

I have really enjoyed reading through the posts on this list as some
of the issues reported here are things I go through.
For example, I have been struggling to face down issues of inequality
over the last few months as I tried taking up stats courses.
My disability office refuses to provide me with tactile representation
o graphs and they call this gold standard accomodation which is really
wierd. They say that they are empowered only to provide reasonable
accomodations.
Being an international student, I am fromIndia, it has been tough to
be blind and from a new place!

However the list has provided me with a lot of comfort as I see that
there are others facing similar if not the same issues.


Warm Regrds,
Suman.


From tinypaws8491 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 12:50:10 2016
From: tinypaws8491 at yahoo.com (Thomas Peralta)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 12:50:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [nabs-l] New member introduction
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I hope you will contact any one of us, if you need help, support or direction in dealing with your new country and your work.  I am pleased to have met you.  Please stay in contact.  I have a Facebook page and am a member of Linktoin.  Please check them out.  Sounds like you have a great work challenge and rewarding future in helping people.
 

    On Sunday, November 6, 2016 6:44 AM, Suman Rath via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 

 Hi all,
I am Suman Rath and am currently pursuing a doctoral degree in
management at West Virginia university.

I have really enjoyed reading through the posts on this list as some
of the issues reported here are things I go through.
For example, I have been struggling to face down issues of inequality
over the last few months as I tried taking up stats courses.
My disability office refuses to provide me with tactile representation
o graphs and they call this gold standard accomodation which is really
wierd. They say that they are empowered only to provide reasonable
accomodations.
Being an international student, I am fromIndia, it has been tough to
be blind and from a new place!

However the list has provided me with a lot of comfort as I see that
there are others facing similar if not the same issues.


Warm Regrds,
Suman.

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From rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 13:29:25 2016
From: rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com (andrew edgcumbe)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 08:29:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] New Member Intro
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Hi nice to meet you  was this mentor through a mentorship program through
learning allie or   was it just a person you call mentor if it is a
mentorship program how can one do that?

On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 1:52 AM, Vanna Song via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> My name is Vanna. I came across this group from a mentor from Learning
> Ally. I'm finishing up the last quarter of my undergraduate degree at
> Evergreen State College. I will be going to grad school afterwards. I
> figured I could get some ideas on continuing success as a higher-ed
> student who is blind, and interact with others who are in higher-ed or
> who have finished.
>
> Have any questions, you can message me.
>
> Thanks.
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

From jameyanne at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 14:10:18 2016
From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 09:10:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Any Suggestions for Blindness Literature?
In-Reply-To: <98C0D287-C86C-43B7-A507-1633320CDAE8@coe.edu>
References: <SN1PR12MB015923D21F2B97C5C4ADFD0BBAA10@SN1PR12MB0159.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>	<92089813-300C-41DB-B1C0-7B68EC3E159E@gmail.com>	<SN1PR12MB0159CFC52D20077FF8C9C366BAA40@SN1PR12MB0159.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
	<98C0D287-C86C-43B7-A507-1633320CDAE8@coe.edu>
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Hello Elizabeth,
I totally get where you're coming from, and like Kennedy said, his behavior
is pretty weird and inappropriate. I don't have suggestions for literature
beyond what's been suggested, except I'm sure there are probably some
excellent blogs out there, but I'd just like to throw it out there that
while you have a busy schedule and it is not your responsibility to educate
him about how blind people do every little thing, you are the only blind
student he knows, and how you do things might be more helpful for him to
know, or he might be more willing to hear about it from you than from some
anonymous literature. You could explain, briefly, that your iPhone has a
program called voiceover that allows you to navigate the touch screen, or
that you had orientation and mobility training to learn where the bus stop
is (or you learned it on your own with practice and asking for directions),
and then refer him to some literature. What I'm suggesting is a balanced
approach. Give him some of how you do things to ground him, but then refer
him to the wide array of literature out there if he wants to know more.
HTH
Jameyanne

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of KENNEDY
STOMBERG via NABS-L
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 1:59 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: KENNEDY STOMBERG <kestomberg at coe.edu>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Any Suggestions for Blindness Literature?

First of all, that is really weird. I felt uncomfortable just reading about
what your professor has been doing. While it is better than saying that
you're simply can't do things or discriminating against you by not allowing
you to be in class or something like that, it is still wildly inappropriate.
Second, I might have an idea for some literature. Someone correct me if I'm
wrong about this. But I believe that the national Federation of the blind
has something called Colonel books. At least, I think that's what they're
called. Anyway, they are literally just short stories about blind people
doing every day things. I think if you call the national office, you can
order a couple. Then, your professor would be able to read about other blind
people just doing normal things. Hopefully, he would see that being able to
call someone is not this amazing thing that you can do. I mean, he probably
calls people sometimes too. :-) Honestly, this is a very strange situation
and I do not envy you. Let me know if there's anything else I can do to
help.

Kennedy Stomberg 
(218)295-2391 

> On Nov 5, 2016, at 9:57 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Vejas and Carly,
> 
> Thank you for your suggestions. My schedule has been rather busy lately,
and I am not always quite sure how to answer vague questions about
blindness, especially when my mind is focused on other things. So this is
why I thought providing my professor with some literature might be helpful
after trying to talk to him about how he is treating me makes me feel
uncomfortable. 
> 
> I understand people may feel a bit awkward around me as a blind person
when they first meet me. However, it is now beyond the middle of the
semester, and it feels as though my professor still feels a bit
uncomfortable interacting with me as a blind person.
> 
> One day as I was entering class and finding my seat, I heard my professor
tell me that he does not know how I do it. Since it appears as though I have
migrated in terms of where I sit in the classroom, I responded by telling
him that I did not know how I do it either. However, it was not until after
this exchange of comments were made that I realized that my professor and I
were talking about two different things. It seemed to me that he simply
could not understand how I could possibly get around independently as a
blind person. However, since I was yet again migrating to the next row over
when finding a seat, I was wondering how it is that I keep migrating to the
next row of seats rather than simply head towards the seat that I normally
sit in during class. I generally sit in the same seat in class for all of my
classes, so the fact that I keep migrating to other seats for this
particular class puzzles me a bit.
> 
> There was also another day where my professor followed me out to the bus
stop and waited there with me until my ride showed up to pick me up. While I
was standing there, I used my Victor Stream to find the phone number for the
person who was picking me up, and called the person who was picking me up
from the bus stop on my IPhone. From my point of view, I was just doing what
I needed to do to find out if my ride was still planning to pick me up at
this particular location. However, my professor thought that I was somehow
amazing for being able to do this simple task. The fact that my professor
followed me out to the bus stop really made me feel uncomfortable, and the
fact that he thinks I am amazing simply for being able to walk to the bus
stop and make a phone call tells me that he has rather low expectations of
me as a blind person.
> 
> I honestly do not know how to describe the blindness techniques I use when
getting around independently as a blind person. I have never really had any
real formal training in the skills of blindness, so most of the techniques I
use are simply based on what I have seen other people do that I have simply
adopted to work for me. So when people ask me how I am able to get around
independently as a blind person, I honestly have no idea how to answer this
question because I simply do what comes natural to me. 
> 
> Since I have clearly demonstrated my capabilities as a blind student, I
thought perhaps providing him with some additional information in the form
of literature would help him understand that I am really just another
student in his sociology class. I feel as though it is really not my
responsibility to sit down with my professor and answer every question he
might have about blindness just to satisfy his curiosity. I only have so
much time in my schedule, and sometimes I simply have more important things
to do. So again, I simply thought providing my professor with some
literature on blindness might help this situation.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 11:48 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Any Suggestions for Blindness Literature?
> 
> Hi Elizabeth,
> I completely understand where you are coming from about it being
frustrating for sighted people talking to  the blind. I am not an expert on
blindness literature, but I do have a couple of suggestions nonetheless.
> My first idea would be to think of the most common questions you think the
professor would have for your specific situation, if that makes sense. For
example, in my situation, I would explain that I use a cane to get around,
and might elaborate on the fact that I have  2 types, one that folds. I tend
to prefer the folding cane for easy storage in a holster, and this is just
my personal preference, and often one professors in my experience seem a
little more comfortable with.
> Then I would explain my devices. In my case, I use a Braillenote Apex. I
would give a bit of information about how it works, and that I use it with
my phone as a pair so that I have better Internet access.
> I could then explain how I would use these devices to complete work, and
then explain my preferred method of handing work in to the teacher.
> My second idea is to just leave everything completely open.  You could
just send him an email asking him if he has any questions, and to direct
these questions to you in his reply.
> Like I said, I am not the best at blindness literature, but I feel that
your professor might be more interested in something coming directly from
you.
> One more thing: in my experience it seems like people are awkward at first
around blind folks just because they have never  had to deal with them
before and don't understand how much to help. A sighted friend of mine at
LCB who currently attends Louisiana Tech explained it well to me when she
said that there are so many blind people around, all requiring, or thinking
they need, different levels of assistance, so there is no standard.
> Vejas   
> 
>> On Nov 1, 2016, at 09:07, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I recently posted a question about how to go about dealing with a
professor who thinks I am the most amazing person simply because I happen to
be blind. I really appreciate all the suggestions that everyone gave me
about how to go about handling this situation. Since I did not have time to
meet with my professor last week, I sent him an email telling him that I was
beginning to feel a bit uncomfortable in his class due to the fact that he
either feels uncomfortable or unsure about how to communicate and interact
with me as a blind student.
>> 
>> However, I am not quite sure how well this email helped the situation as
I was a bit frustrated with other things when I wrote my email to him. As a
result of my stress and frustration, I am not quite sure how well I came
across in the email I sent my professor last week. But hopefully it serves
as a good starting point in being able to talk to my professor about this
situation.
>> 
>> I am sure he is simply curious about how I do things as a blind person.
It  sounds as though he has not had too much interaction with other blind
people. I would really like to be able to sit down with him and answer all
his questions about how I do things as a blind person. However, my schedule
is rather busy right now, and I feel as though I simply do not have the time
to sit down with him and answer all his questions. Since I do not have the
time to sit down and answer all his questions about blindness, I thought
perhaps I could just simply share some articles on how blind people do
things as they live independent lives.
>> 
>> However, I must admit, it has been a while since I have read through NFB
literature. So I am simply curious, what articles would you share with
someone who had questions about how you do things as a blind person if you
did not have the time to sit down and talk to them about how you do things
as a blind person? Are there any good articles to share that would summarize
how blind people do things as a blind person without going too in-depth on a
particular skill that blind people use in their daily lives? I can think of
a couple of good articles as it relates to blindness philosophy, but I do
not think an article on blindness philosophy works for someone who is rather
curious about how blind people do things as blind people living independent
lives. So any suggestions on articles I could share with my professor would
be greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Elizabeth
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From truewise.8614 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 18:58:46 2016
From: truewise.8614 at gmail.com (Vanna Song)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 10:58:46 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] New Member Intro
In-Reply-To: <CAGcQ9RYM0efSMTJdk+BL-xXeLKqHXVhk0oxutGUnD_fU5-0hDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOrr3bMRmMQoZyb-6KG5odRdp9ODJeUTLwC4c=dBd8YOLVH=Bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGcQ9RYM0efSMTJdk+BL-xXeLKqHXVhk0oxutGUnD_fU5-0hDA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOrr3bO9PyCnEuxMx5rcFr-8R0Rivm1n==bVSbF3sH3MKH8S3Q@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, it is through the mentorshi[p program from Learning Ally. You can
find all the information you ned from their website learningally.org
in the link to their college success program.

On 11/6/16, andrew edgcumbe via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi nice to meet you  was this mentor through a mentorship program through
> learning allie or   was it just a person you call mentor if it is a
> mentorship program how can one do that?
>
> On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 1:52 AM, Vanna Song via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> My name is Vanna. I came across this group from a mentor from Learning
>> Ally. I'm finishing up the last quarter of my undergraduate degree at
>> Evergreen State College. I will be going to grad school afterwards. I
>> figured I could get some ideas on continuing success as a higher-ed
>> student who is blind, and interact with others who are in higher-ed or
>> who have finished.
>>
>> Have any questions, you can message me.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 19:00:50 2016
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster, NABS President)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 14:00:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] New Member Intro
In-Reply-To: <CAGcQ9RYM0efSMTJdk+BL-xXeLKqHXVhk0oxutGUnD_fU5-0hDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOrr3bMRmMQoZyb-6KG5odRdp9ODJeUTLwC4c=dBd8YOLVH=Bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGcQ9RYM0efSMTJdk+BL-xXeLKqHXVhk0oxutGUnD_fU5-0hDA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006601d23860$17a7bb50$46f731f0$@gmail.com>

Welcome Vanna!
My name is Kathryn Webster; and I am President of the National Association
of Blind Students, a division of the National Federation of the Blind. I
would love to learn more about you! Where is Evergreen State College? We
would be very interested in putting you in touch with other blind students
in your state.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Best,
Kathryn

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of andrew edgcumbe
via NABS-L
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 8:29 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New Member Intro

Hi nice to meet you  was this mentor through a mentorship program through
learning allie or   was it just a person you call mentor if it is a
mentorship program how can one do that?

On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 1:52 AM, Vanna Song via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> My name is Vanna. I came across this group from a mentor from Learning 
> Ally. I'm finishing up the last quarter of my undergraduate degree at 
> Evergreen State College. I will be going to grad school afterwards. I 
> figured I could get some ideas on continuing success as a higher-ed 
> student who is blind, and interact with others who are in higher-ed or 
> who have finished.
>
> Have any questions, you can message me.
>
> Thanks.
>
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
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From truewise.8614 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 19:10:45 2016
From: truewise.8614 at gmail.com (Vanna Song)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 11:10:45 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] New Member Intro
In-Reply-To: <006601d23860$17a7bb50$46f731f0$@gmail.com>
References: <CAOrr3bMRmMQoZyb-6KG5odRdp9ODJeUTLwC4c=dBd8YOLVH=Bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGcQ9RYM0efSMTJdk+BL-xXeLKqHXVhk0oxutGUnD_fU5-0hDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<006601d23860$17a7bb50$46f731f0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOrr3bP+hXf3zDAmpgTd93BVsk9P2Fd0C8htdidMQ6Xda+SE1g@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Evergreen State College is in Washington state.

On 11/6/16, Kathryn Webster, NABS President via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Welcome Vanna!
> My name is Kathryn Webster; and I am President of the National Association
> of Blind Students, a division of the National Federation of the Blind. I
> would love to learn more about you! Where is Evergreen State College? We
> would be very interested in putting you in touch with other blind students
> in your state.
>
> I look forward to hearing from you.
>
> Best,
> Kathryn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of andrew
> edgcumbe
> via NABS-L
> Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 8:29 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New Member Intro
>
> Hi nice to meet you  was this mentor through a mentorship program through
> learning allie or   was it just a person you call mentor if it is a
> mentorship program how can one do that?
>
> On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 1:52 AM, Vanna Song via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> My name is Vanna. I came across this group from a mentor from Learning
>> Ally. I'm finishing up the last quarter of my undergraduate degree at
>> Evergreen State College. I will be going to grad school afterwards. I
>> figured I could get some ideas on continuing success as a higher-ed
>> student who is blind, and interact with others who are in higher-ed or
>> who have finished.
>>
>> Have any questions, you can message me.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>> rollercoasterman86%40gmail.com
>>
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From rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 21:26:33 2016
From: rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com (andrew edgcumbe)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 16:26:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] New Member Intro
In-Reply-To: <CAOrr3bP+hXf3zDAmpgTd93BVsk9P2Fd0C8htdidMQ6Xda+SE1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOrr3bMRmMQoZyb-6KG5odRdp9ODJeUTLwC4c=dBd8YOLVH=Bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGcQ9RYM0efSMTJdk+BL-xXeLKqHXVhk0oxutGUnD_fU5-0hDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<006601d23860$17a7bb50$46f731f0$@gmail.com>
	<CAOrr3bP+hXf3zDAmpgTd93BVsk9P2Fd0C8htdidMQ6Xda+SE1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGcQ9RYvg8wqiySdnRNnsuS6DS8y+sZ6uONYtWQQGxX34KOSzQ@mail.gmail.com>

well I can't find the mentorship link  at all actually.

On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Vanna Song via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Evergreen State College is in Washington state.
>
> On 11/6/16, Kathryn Webster, NABS President via NABS-L
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Welcome Vanna!
> > My name is Kathryn Webster; and I am President of the National
> Association
> > of Blind Students, a division of the National Federation of the Blind. I
> > would love to learn more about you! Where is Evergreen State College? We
> > would be very interested in putting you in touch with other blind
> students
> > in your state.
> >
> > I look forward to hearing from you.
> >
> > Best,
> > Kathryn
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of andrew
> > edgcumbe
> > via NABS-L
> > Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 8:29 AM
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New Member Intro
> >
> > Hi nice to meet you  was this mentor through a mentorship program through
> > learning allie or   was it just a person you call mentor if it is a
> > mentorship program how can one do that?
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 1:52 AM, Vanna Song via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> My name is Vanna. I came across this group from a mentor from Learning
> >> Ally. I'm finishing up the last quarter of my undergraduate degree at
> >> Evergreen State College. I will be going to grad school afterwards. I
> >> figured I could get some ideas on continuing success as a higher-ed
> >> student who is blind, and interact with others who are in higher-ed or
> >> who have finished.
> >>
> >> Have any questions, you can message me.
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> NABS-L mailing list
> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> >> NABS-L:
> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/
> >> rollercoasterman86%40gmail.com
> >>
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From oliver.doug1 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 21:37:35 2016
From: oliver.doug1 at gmail.com (Doug Oliver)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 15:37:35 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] world services
References: <CAOrr3bMRmMQoZyb-6KG5odRdp9ODJeUTLwC4c=dBd8YOLVH=Bw@mail.gmail.com><CAGcQ9RYM0efSMTJdk+BL-xXeLKqHXVhk0oxutGUnD_fU5-0hDA@mail.gmail.com><006601d23860$17a7bb50$46f731f0$@gmail.com><CAOrr3bP+hXf3zDAmpgTd93BVsk9P2Fd0C8htdidMQ6Xda+SE1g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGcQ9RYvg8wqiySdnRNnsuS6DS8y+sZ6uONYtWQQGxX34KOSzQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006b01d23875$ff060780$a201a8c0@LAPTOPRIE011UO>

Hi guys, My name is Doug Oliver.
I've been on this list for quite some time but haven't had a lot to put my 
input  on, as I've been reading each of the posts on here and wish a lot of 
you success with your college educations.
I'm writing to let you all know I'm going to world services in Little rock 
Arkansas in December to do 2 programs.
Firstly, I'm going to do a program in call center customer service, then I'm 
also going to do the Apple care program they're starting.
Wanted to share this piece of exciting news with all of my fellow nabs 
students.
I'm 33 years old and am from Texas.
If anyone wants to contact me my information is as follows.
email 1: oliver.doug1 at gmail.com
Email 2: doliver3183 at dougoliver.net
Skype: doliver3183
facebook: http://m.facebook.com/dougo2002
Doug



From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Sun Nov  6 21:45:37 2016
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 21:45:37 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] world services
In-Reply-To: <006b01d23875$ff060780$a201a8c0@LAPTOPRIE011UO>
References: <CAOrr3bMRmMQoZyb-6KG5odRdp9ODJeUTLwC4c=dBd8YOLVH=Bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGcQ9RYM0efSMTJdk+BL-xXeLKqHXVhk0oxutGUnD_fU5-0hDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<006601d23860$17a7bb50$46f731f0$@gmail.com>
	<CAOrr3bP+hXf3zDAmpgTd93BVsk9P2Fd0C8htdidMQ6Xda+SE1g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGcQ9RYvg8wqiySdnRNnsuS6DS8y+sZ6uONYtWQQGxX34KOSzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<006b01d23875$ff060780$a201a8c0@LAPTOPRIE011UO>
Message-ID: <DM5PR06MB2922B1086F8A47A8D6E96C4DCEA40@DM5PR06MB2922.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hey Doug, sounds really awesome. I had a friend that went to that program or school, and I believe that he really liked it. He was very happy to go. I think it's really interesting, that they're going to start an AppleCare program I think it would definitely get a lot more blind people working for Apple for sure.
Joseph Hudson 
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> On Nov 6, 2016, at 3:37 PM, Doug Oliver via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi guys, My name is Doug Oliver.
> I've been on this list for quite some time but haven't had a lot to put my input  on, as I've been reading each of the posts on here and wish a lot of you success with your college educations.
> I'm writing to let you all know I'm going to world services in Little rock Arkansas in December to do 2 programs.
> Firstly, I'm going to do a program in call center customer service, then I'm also going to do the Apple care program they're starting.
> Wanted to share this piece of exciting news with all of my fellow nabs students.
> I'm 33 years old and am from Texas.
> If anyone wants to contact me my information is as follows.
> email 1: oliver.doug1 at gmail.com
> Email 2: doliver3183 at dougoliver.net
> Skype: doliver3183
> facebook: http://m.facebook.com/dougo2002
> Doug
> 
> 
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From truewise.8614 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 21:45:55 2016
From: truewise.8614 at gmail.com (Vanna Song)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 13:45:55 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] New Member Intro
In-Reply-To: <CAGcQ9RYvg8wqiySdnRNnsuS6DS8y+sZ6uONYtWQQGxX34KOSzQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOrr3bMRmMQoZyb-6KG5odRdp9ODJeUTLwC4c=dBd8YOLVH=Bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGcQ9RYM0efSMTJdk+BL-xXeLKqHXVhk0oxutGUnD_fU5-0hDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<006601d23860$17a7bb50$46f731f0$@gmail.com>
	<CAOrr3bP+hXf3zDAmpgTd93BVsk9P2Fd0C8htdidMQ6Xda+SE1g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGcQ9RYvg8wqiySdnRNnsuS6DS8y+sZ6uONYtWQQGxX34KOSzQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOrr3bP1+xD+cAMGDSdbNgihzUuN2VYzagZj=coZWi9Vb_heMQ@mail.gmail.com>

Here yuo go. It was in the "Resources" link.
http://www.learningally.org/College-Success/Join

On 11/6/16, andrew edgcumbe via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> well I can't find the mentorship link  at all actually.
>
> On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Vanna Song via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Evergreen State College is in Washington state.
>>
>> On 11/6/16, Kathryn Webster, NABS President via NABS-L
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> > Welcome Vanna!
>> > My name is Kathryn Webster; and I am President of the National
>> Association
>> > of Blind Students, a division of the National Federation of the Blind.
>> > I
>> > would love to learn more about you! Where is Evergreen State College?
>> > We
>> > would be very interested in putting you in touch with other blind
>> students
>> > in your state.
>> >
>> > I look forward to hearing from you.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Kathryn
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of andrew
>> > edgcumbe
>> > via NABS-L
>> > Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 8:29 AM
>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> > Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New Member Intro
>> >
>> > Hi nice to meet you  was this mentor through a mentorship program
>> > through
>> > learning allie or   was it just a person you call mentor if it is a
>> > mentorship program how can one do that?
>> >
>> > On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 1:52 AM, Vanna Song via NABS-L
>> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hello,
>> >>
>> >> My name is Vanna. I came across this group from a mentor from Learning
>> >> Ally. I'm finishing up the last quarter of my undergraduate degree at
>> >> Evergreen State College. I will be going to grad school afterwards. I
>> >> figured I could get some ideas on continuing success as a higher-ed
>> >> student who is blind, and interact with others who are in higher-ed or
>> >> who have finished.
>> >>
>> >> Have any questions, you can message me.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks.
>> >>
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>> > om
>> >
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From oliver.doug1 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 21:54:10 2016
From: oliver.doug1 at gmail.com (Doug Oliver)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 15:54:10 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] New Member Intro
References: <CAOrr3bMRmMQoZyb-6KG5odRdp9ODJeUTLwC4c=dBd8YOLVH=Bw@mail.gmail.com><CAGcQ9RYM0efSMTJdk+BL-xXeLKqHXVhk0oxutGUnD_fU5-0hDA@mail.gmail.com><006601d23860$17a7bb50$46f731f0$@gmail.com><CAOrr3bP+hXf3zDAmpgTd93BVsk9P2Fd0C8htdidMQ6Xda+SE1g@mail.gmail.com><CAGcQ9RYvg8wqiySdnRNnsuS6DS8y+sZ6uONYtWQQGxX34KOSzQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <00a501d23878$4fc30ea0$a201a8c0@LAPTOPRIE011UO>

Hi Vanna welcome to the list.  Nice to meet you.
I'm Doug.  May this list be of use to you.
Write back,
Doug

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Vanna Song via NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: "Vanna Song" <truewise.8614 at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New Member Intro


> Here yuo go. It was in the "Resources" link.
> http://www.learningally.org/College-Success/Join
>
> On 11/6/16, andrew edgcumbe via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> well I can't find the mentorship link  at all actually.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Vanna Song via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Evergreen State College is in Washington state.
>>>
>>> On 11/6/16, Kathryn Webster, NABS President via NABS-L
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> > Welcome Vanna!
>>> > My name is Kathryn Webster; and I am President of the National
>>> Association
>>> > of Blind Students, a division of the National Federation of the Blind.
>>> > I
>>> > would love to learn more about you! Where is Evergreen State College?
>>> > We
>>> > would be very interested in putting you in touch with other blind
>>> students
>>> > in your state.
>>> >
>>> > I look forward to hearing from you.
>>> >
>>> > Best,
>>> > Kathryn
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of andrew
>>> > edgcumbe
>>> > via NABS-L
>>> > Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 8:29 AM
>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New Member Intro
>>> >
>>> > Hi nice to meet you  was this mentor through a mentorship program
>>> > through
>>> > learning allie or   was it just a person you call mentor if it is a
>>> > mentorship program how can one do that?
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 1:52 AM, Vanna Song via NABS-L
>>> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Hello,
>>> >>
>>> >> My name is Vanna. I came across this group from a mentor from 
>>> >> Learning
>>> >> Ally. I'm finishing up the last quarter of my undergraduate degree at
>>> >> Evergreen State College. I will be going to grad school afterwards. I
>>> >> figured I could get some ideas on continuing success as a higher-ed
>>> >> student who is blind, and interact with others who are in higher-ed 
>>> >> or
>>> >> who have finished.
>>> >>
>>> >> Have any questions, you can message me.
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks.
>>> >>
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> NABS-L mailing list
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>>> >> rollercoasterman86%40gmail.com
>>> >>
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>>> > om
>>> >
>>> >
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From cricketbidleman at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 23:21:06 2016
From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 15:21:06 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] National Braille Challenge
Message-ID: <CABP7S8MGBQf6e-ydS7K2jiS1hTKDGb8P=1=6uZsJY8ncPC3MyA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear students,

I just wanted to let you know that registration for the preliminary
round of the 2017 National Braille Challenge is officially open.
Regional events will take place from December through March, but you
can also take the contest individually with your TVI. Must be in
grades 1-12 to be eligible, and must live in the U.S. or Canada.
Students are tested on reading comprehension and proofreading. Younger
students are also tested on spelling, and older students are tested on
speed and accuracy and charts and graphs interpretation. Tests for
older students are not being administered in UEB this year. Ten
finalists in each of the five age groups will be invited to a final
round of competition and fun in Los Angeles in June. As a finalist in
previous years, I can certainly tell you that the Braille Challenge is
a fun event full of meaningful friendships, music, laughter, and
Braille. I hope you will consider being part of it. For more
information, visit http://www.braillechallenge.org

All the best,
Cricket X. Bidleman
California Association of Blind Students, Webmaster
NCS Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant
Morro Bay High School Academic Enrichment Program (AEP), President


From taylorarndt99 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 23:55:34 2016
From: taylorarndt99 at gmail.com (Taylor Arndt)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 18:55:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Image maps in HTML excess ability and how to do
Message-ID: <9139C905-5BFD-4DFE-86A1-BB23620588A6@gmail.com>

Hello all, I am taking a website design class, and we are starting to do image maps. How can I do an image map so that my instructor can click on the corresponding parts of the map and get the same exact link as I would? How can I do it without using a mouse?


Sent from my iPhone

From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 14:08:41 2016
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2016 09:08:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] New Member Intro
Message-ID: <58208b3b.45e40d0a.7c1c6.130c@mx.google.com>

Hi Vanna welcome to the list.  My name is Roanna Bacchus.  I am 
working toward the completion of my Bachelor's degree in 
Interdisciplinary Studies.  My two areas of concentration are 
Arts and Humanities and Behavioral and Social Sciences, and my 
minor is in Mass Communications.  I hope you enjoy your time 
here.


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 14:08:44 2016
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2016 09:08:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] New member introduction
Message-ID: <58208b3f.45e40d0a.7c1c6.130f@mx.google.com>

Hi Suman welcome to the list.  My name is Roanna Bacchus.  I am 
working toward the completion of my Bachelor's degree in 
Interdisciplinary Studies at UCF.  My two areas of concentration 
are Arts and Humanities and Behavioral and Social Sciences.  My 
minor is in Mass Communications.  I hope you enjoy your time 
here.


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 14:08:46 2016
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2016 09:08:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] world services
Message-ID: <58208b41.45e40d0a.7c1c6.1310@mx.google.com>

Hi Doug congratulations on this new adventure.  I hope you enjoy 
your time there.


From Amason at nfb.org  Mon Nov  7 14:40:26 2016
From: Amason at nfb.org (Mason, Amy)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 14:40:26 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Image maps in HTML excess ability and how to do
In-Reply-To: <9139C905-5BFD-4DFE-86A1-BB23620588A6@gmail.com>
References: <9139C905-5BFD-4DFE-86A1-BB23620588A6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BL2PR17MB086753C394BD34D43F4ECF1FDBA70@BL2PR17MB0867.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>

You may want to visit the computer science mailing list. They will have more specialists in this area. You may also want to look to forums from WebAIM or other groups that do accessible web design because they would likely have answers for you. 


Amy Mason
Access Technology Specialist
National Federation of the Blind
200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place
Baltimore, MD 21230
410-659-9314 ext. 2424
amason at nfb.org

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can have the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.

Make a gift to the National Federation of the Blind and help ensure all blind Americans live the lives they want.

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Taylor Arndt via NABS-L
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 6:56 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Taylor Arndt <taylorarndt99 at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Image maps in HTML excess ability and how to do

Hello all, I am taking a website design class, and we are starting to do image maps. How can I do an image map so that my instructor can click on the corresponding parts of the map and get the same exact link as I would? How can I do it without using a mouse?


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From lizzym0827 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 14:48:00 2016
From: lizzym0827 at gmail.com (Lizzy)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2016 09:48:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Any Suggestions for Blindness Literature?
Message-ID: <5820944e.8529c80a.51c7d.6a42@mx.google.com>

Hi Elizabeth,
Kernel books are fabulous! It's tough to say which one might best 
fit the needs of this situation though, because there are so many 
and they are all quite enthralling.  Perhaps a link to the NFB 
page with the Kernel books would give your professor the chance 
to read the ones that most interest him.  Another option is to 
send along the NFB's Courtesy Rules of Blindness.  You can even 
adapt a few of them to fit your specific needs before you send 
them along to him.  They're fine as is, but every person and 
situation is different so you may feel that customization is 
necessary (just write a little disclaimer at the top).

Hth,
Lizzy


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 15:39:00 2016
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2016 10:39:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Preparing for Graduation
Message-ID: <5820a041.03b3810a.1e084.2c24@mx.google.com>

Dear Students,

In one month I will be graduating from UCF with my Bachelor's 
degree in Interdisciplinary Studies.  So far I have ordered my 
cap and gown and contacted the Assistant Director of Student 
Accessibility Services to find out about my accommodations.  
Someone will be assigned to walk me into the arena, across the 
stage, back to my seat, and out the door where I will meet my 
family.  I am also making sure that all of my assignments are 
submitted in a timely manner.  What other steps should I take to 
prepare for my graduation?


From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 15:50:29 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 10:50:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Preparing for Graduation
In-Reply-To: <5820a041.03b3810a.1e084.2c24@mx.google.com>
References: <5820a041.03b3810a.1e084.2c24@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <009a01d2390e$aaba30e0$002e92a0$@gmail.com>

Congradulations then.  Well done.  

-----Original Message-----
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via NABS-L
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 10:39 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: roanna bacchus <rbacchus228 at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Preparing for Graduation

Dear Students,

In one month I will be graduating from UCF with my Bachelor's degree in
Interdisciplinary Studies.  So far I have ordered my cap and gown and
contacted the Assistant Director of Student Accessibility Services to find
out about my accommodations.  
Someone will be assigned to walk me into the arena, across the stage, back
to my seat, and out the door where I will meet my family.  I am also making
sure that all of my assignments are submitted in a timely manner.  What
other steps should I take to prepare for my graduation?

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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  8 02:19:26 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 02:19:26 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Are You Ready to Vote Tomorrow?
Message-ID: <SN1PR12MB01591BC160B69FA7D16D1500BAA60@SN1PR12MB0159.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Hello All,

I understand I am sharing this voter resource at the last minute. However, I feel as though sharing this voter resource at the last minute is better than not sharing it at all.

Anyway, for those of you who will be casting your vote in person tomorrow, and have questions about the ballot, or have any other questions related to voting in the elections, the League of Women Voters has a really great non-partisan website where you can obtain all kinds of information regarding the positions and issues that will appear on your local ballot. What I really like about this website is that you can enter your address, and it will show you everything that will appear on your local ballot as well as provide information on each contest including biographical information on the candidates who responded to their request for information.

Since I really like this website, I thought I would share it with others on this email list. I thought it would be a good resource for someone who may be voting for the first time. Or even someone who has yet to make up their mind on who they would like to vote for in the election. Or perhaps provide information on more local contests and issues that may not necessarily receive as much attention as more notable contests and issues. Anyway, you can find the League of Women's Voters 2016 Voter Guide at www.vote411.org<http://www.vote411.org>. I hope this website proves to be helpful to others even though I am posting it at the last minute.

So for those of you who are old enough and registered to vote, please go out and vote tomorrow.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth



From carlymih at comcast.net  Tue Nov  8 12:39:31 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2016 04:39:31 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Any Suggestions for Blindness Literature?
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Good morning, EElizabeth,

         Did you come later to the blindness party, or something? 
Seeing how Ol'Sighty gets all moved if he should chance to see the 
blink actually being self sufficient, as I see it, ought not be too 
suprising. So don't play stupid. I would imagine you know very well 
how Ol'Sighty can get.
Car2016, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote:
>Hello Vejas and Carly,
>
>Thank you for your suggestions. My schedule has been rather busy 
>lately, and I am not always quite sure how to answer vague questions 
>about blindness, especially when my mind is focused on other things. 
>So this is why I thought providing my professor with some literature 
>might be helpful after trying to talk to him about how he is 
>treating me makes me feel uncomfortable.
>
>I understand people may feel a bit awkward around me as a blind 
>person when they first meet me. However, it is now beyond the middle 
>of the semester, and it feels as though my professor still feels a 
>bit uncomfortable interacting with me as a blind person.
>
>One day as I was entering class and finding my seat, I heard my 
>professor tell me that he does not know how I do it. Since it 
>appears as though I have migrated in terms of where I sit in the 
>classroom, I responded by telling him that I did not know how I do 
>it either. However, it was not until after this exchange of comments 
>were made that I realized that my professor and I were talking about 
>two different things. It seemed to me that he simply could not 
>understand how I could possibly get around independently as a blind 
>person. However, since I was yet again migrating to the next row 
>over when finding a seat, I was wondering how it is that I keep 
>migrating to the next row of seats rather than simply head towards 
>the seat that I normally sit in during class. I generally sit in the 
>same seat in class for all of my classes, so the fact that I keep 
>migrating to other seats for this particular class puzzles me a bit.
>
>There was also another day where my professor followed me out to the 
>bus stop and waited there with me until my ride showed up to pick me 
>up. While I was standing there, I used my Victor Stream to find the 
>phone number for the person who was picking me up, and called the 
>person who was picking me up from the bus stop on my IPhone. From my 
>point of view, I was just doing what I needed to do to find out if 
>my ride was still planning to pick me up at this particular 
>location. However, my professor thought that I was somehow amazing 
>for being able to do this simple task. The fact that my professor 
>followed me out to the bus stop really made me feel uncomfortable, 
>and the fact that he thinks I am amazing simply for being able to 
>walk to the bus stop and make a phone call tells me that he has 
>rather low expectations of me as a blind person.
>
>I honestly do not know how to describe the blindness techniques I 
>use when getting around independently as a blind person. I have 
>never really had any real formal training in the skills of 
>blindness, so most of the techniques I use are simply based on what 
>I have seen other people do that I have simply adopted to work for 
>me. So when people ask me how I am able to get around independently 
>as a blind person, I honestly have no idea how to answer this 
>question because I simply do what comes natural to me.
>
>Since I have clearly demonstrated my capabilities as a blind 
>student, I thought perhaps providing him with some additional 
>information in the form of literature would help him understand that 
>I am really just another student in his sociology class. I feel as 
>though it is really not my responsibility to sit down with my 
>professor and answer every question he might have about blindness 
>just to satisfy his curiosity. I only have so much time in my 
>schedule, and sometimes I simply have more important things to do. 
>So again, I simply thought providing my professor with some 
>literature on blindness might help this situation.
>
>Warm regards,
>Elizabeth
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas 
>Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
>Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 11:48 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Any Suggestions for Blindness Literature?
>
>Hi Elizabeth,
>I completely understand where you are coming from about it being 
>frustrating for sighted people talking to  the blind. I am not an 
>expert on blindness literature, but I do have a couple of 
>suggestions nonetheless.
>My first idea would be to think of the most common questions you 
>think the professor would have for your specific situation, if that 
>makes sense. For example, in my situation, I would explain that I 
>use a cane to get around, and might elaborate on the fact that I 
>have  2 types, one that folds. I tend to prefer the folding cane for 
>easy storage in a holster, and this is just my personal preference, 
>and often one professors in my experience seem a little more comfortable with.
>Then I would explain my devices. In my case, I use a Braillenote 
>Apex. I would give a bit of information about how it works, and that 
>I use it with my phone as a pair so that I have better Internet access.
>I could then explain how I would use these devices to complete work, 
>and then explain my preferred method of handing work in to the teacher.
>My second idea is to just leave everything completely open.  You 
>could just send him an email asking him if he has any questions, and 
>to direct these questions to you in his reply.
>Like I said, I am not the best at blindness literature, but I feel 
>that your professor might be more interested in something coming 
>directly from you.
>One more thing: in my experience it seems like people are awkward at 
>first around blind folks just because they have never  had to deal 
>with them before and don't understand how much to help. A sighted 
>friend of mine at LCB who currently attends Louisiana Tech explained 
>it well to me when she said that there are so many blind people 
>around, all requiring, or thinking they need, different levels of 
>assistance, so there is no standard.
>Vejas
>
> > On Nov 1, 2016, at 09:07, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I recently posted a question about how to go about dealing with a 
> professor who thinks I am the most amazing person simply because I 
> happen to be blind. I really appreciate all the suggestions that 
> everyone gave me about how to go about handling this situation. 
> Since I did not have time to meet with my professor last week, I 
> sent him an email telling him that I was beginning to feel a bit 
> uncomfortable in his class due to the fact that he either feels 
> uncomfortable or unsure about how to communicate and interact with 
> me as a blind student.
> >
> > However, I am not quite sure how well this email helped the 
> situation as I was a bit frustrated with other things when I wrote 
> my email to him. As a result of my stress and frustration, I am not 
> quite sure how well I came across in the email I sent my professor 
> last week. But hopefully it serves as a good starting point in 
> being able to talk to my professor about this situation.
> >
> > I am sure he is simply curious about how I do things as a blind 
> person. It  sounds as though he has not had too much interaction 
> with other blind people. I would really like to be able to sit down 
> with him and answer all his questions about how I do things as a 
> blind person. However, my schedule is rather busy right now, and I 
> feel as though I simply do not have the time to sit down with him 
> and answer all his questions. Since I do not have the time to sit 
> down and answer all his questions about blindness, I thought 
> perhaps I could just simply share some articles on how blind people 
> do things as they live independent lives.
> >
> > However, I must admit, it has been a while since I have read 
> through NFB literature. So I am simply curious, what articles would 
> you share with someone who had questions about how you do things as 
> a blind person if you did not have the time to sit down and talk to 
> them about how you do things as a blind person? Are there any good 
> articles to share that would summarize how blind people do things 
> as a blind person without going too in-depth on a particular skill 
> that blind people use in their daily lives? I can think of a couple 
> of good articles as it relates to blindness philosophy, but I do 
> not think an article on blindness philosophy works for someone who 
> is rather curious about how blind people do things as blind people 
> living independent lives. So any suggestions on articles I could 
> share with my professor would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Elizabeth
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Tue Nov  8 14:16:36 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2016 06:16:36 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Any Suggestions for Blindness Literature?
Message-ID: <5821de4f.055f620a.e2e3d.66da@mx.google.com>

The next stop he follows you to the bus stop would be the perfect 
opportunity to talk to him.  Presumably you'll be waiting awhile 
for the bus, so you could take that time to explain things.
Vejas

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,National Association of Blind Students 
mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 08 Nov 2016 04:39:31 -0800
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Any Suggestions for Blindness Literature?

Good morning, EElizabeth,

         Did you come later to the blindness party, or something?
Seeing how Ol'Sighty gets all moved if he should chance to see 
the
blink actually being self sufficient, as I see it, ought not be 
too
suprising.  So don't play stupid.  I would imagine you know very 
well
how Ol'Sighty can get.
Car2016, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote:
Hello Vejas and Carly,

Thank you for your suggestions.  My schedule has been rather busy
lately, and I am not always quite sure how to answer vague 
questions
about blindness, especially when my mind is focused on other 
things.
So this is why I thought providing my professor with some 
literature
might be helpful after trying to talk to him about how he is
treating me makes me feel uncomfortable.

I understand people may feel a bit awkward around me as a blind
person when they first meet me.  However, it is now beyond the 
middle
of the semester, and it feels as though my professor still feels 
a
bit uncomfortable interacting with me as a blind person.

One day as I was entering class and finding my seat, I heard my
professor tell me that he does not know how I do it.  Since it
appears as though I have migrated in terms of where I sit in the
classroom, I responded by telling him that I did not know how I 
do
it either.  However, it was not until after this exchange of 
comments
were made that I realized that my professor and I were talking 
about
two different things.  It seemed to me that he simply could not
understand how I could possibly get around independently as a 
blind
person.  However, since I was yet again migrating to the next row
over when finding a seat, I was wondering how it is that I keep
migrating to the next row of seats rather than simply head 
towards
the seat that I normally sit in during class.  I generally sit in 
the
same seat in class for all of my classes, so the fact that I keep
migrating to other seats for this particular class puzzles me a 
bit.

There was also another day where my professor followed me out to 
the
bus stop and waited there with me until my ride showed up to pick 
me
up.  While I was standing there, I used my Victor Stream to find 
the
phone number for the person who was picking me up, and called the
person who was picking me up from the bus stop on my IPhone.  
>From my
point of view, I was just doing what I needed to do to find out 
if
my ride was still planning to pick me up at this particular
location.  However, my professor thought that I was somehow 
amazing
for being able to do this simple task.  The fact that my 
professor
followed me out to the bus stop really made me feel 
uncomfortable,
and the fact that he thinks I am amazing simply for being able to
walk to the bus stop and make a phone call tells me that he has
rather low expectations of me as a blind person.

I honestly do not know how to describe the blindness techniques I
use when getting around independently as a blind person.  I have
never really had any real formal training in the skills of
blindness, so most of the techniques I use are simply based on 
what
I have seen other people do that I have simply adopted to work 
for
me.  So when people ask me how I am able to get around 
independently
as a blind person, I honestly have no idea how to answer this
question because I simply do what comes natural to me.

Since I have clearly demonstrated my capabilities as a blind
student, I thought perhaps providing him with some additional
information in the form of literature would help him understand 
that
I am really just another student in his sociology class.  I feel 
as
though it is really not my responsibility to sit down with my
professor and answer every question he might have about blindness
just to satisfy his curiosity.  I only have so much time in my
schedule, and sometimes I simply have more important things to 
do.
So again, I simply thought providing my professor with some
literature on blindness might help this situation.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Vejas
Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 11:48 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Any Suggestions for Blindness Literature?

Hi Elizabeth,
I completely understand where you are coming from about it being
frustrating for sighted people talking to  the blind.  I am not 
an
expert on blindness literature, but I do have a couple of
suggestions nonetheless.
My first idea would be to think of the most common questions you
think the professor would have for your specific situation, if 
that
makes sense.  For example, in my situation, I would explain that 
I
use a cane to get around, and might elaborate on the fact that I
have  2 types, one that folds.  I tend to prefer the folding cane 
for
easy storage in a holster, and this is just my personal 
preference,
and often one professors in my experience seem a little more 
comfortable with.
Then I would explain my devices.  In my case, I use a Braillenote
Apex.  I would give a bit of information about how it works, and 
that
I use it with my phone as a pair so that I have better Internet 
access.
I could then explain how I would use these devices to complete 
work,
and then explain my preferred method of handing work in to the 
teacher.
My second idea is to just leave everything completely open.  You
could just send him an email asking him if he has any questions, 
and
to direct these questions to you in his reply.
Like I said, I am not the best at blindness literature, but I 
feel
that your professor might be more interested in something coming
directly from you.
One more thing: in my experience it seems like people are awkward 
at
first around blind folks just because they have never  had to 
deal
with them before and don't understand how much to help.  A 
sighted
friend of mine at LCB who currently attends Louisiana Tech 
explained
it well to me when she said that there are so many blind people
around, all requiring, or thinking they need, different levels of
assistance, so there is no standard.
Vejas

 On Nov 1, 2016, at 09:07, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hello All,

 I recently posted a question about how to go about dealing with 
a
 professor who thinks I am the most amazing person simply because 
I
 happen to be blind.  I really appreciate all the suggestions 
that
 everyone gave me about how to go about handling this situation.
 Since I did not have time to meet with my professor last week, I
 sent him an email telling him that I was beginning to feel a bit
 uncomfortable in his class due to the fact that he either feels
 uncomfortable or unsure about how to communicate and interact 
with
 me as a blind student.

 However, I am not quite sure how well this email helped the
 situation as I was a bit frustrated with other things when I 
wrote
 my email to him.  As a result of my stress and frustration, I am 
not
 quite sure how well I came across in the email I sent my 
professor
 last week.  But hopefully it serves as a good starting point in
 being able to talk to my professor about this situation.

 I am sure he is simply curious about how I do things as a blind
 person.  It  sounds as though he has not had too much 
interaction
 with other blind people.  I would really like to be able to sit 
down
 with him and answer all his questions about how I do things as a
 blind person.  However, my schedule is rather busy right now, 
and I
 feel as though I simply do not have the time to sit down with 
him
 and answer all his questions.  Since I do not have the time to 
sit
 down and answer all his questions about blindness, I thought
 perhaps I could just simply share some articles on how blind 
people
 do things as they live independent lives.

 However, I must admit, it has been a while since I have read
 through NFB literature.  So I am simply curious, what articles 
would
 you share with someone who had questions about how you do things 
as
 a blind person if you did not have the time to sit down and talk 
to
 them about how you do things as a blind person? Are there any 
good
 articles to share that would summarize how blind people do 
things
 as a blind person without going too in-depth on a particular 
skill
 that blind people use in their daily lives? I can think of a 
couple
 of good articles as it relates to blindness philosophy, but I do
 not think an article on blindness philosophy works for someone 
who
 is rather curious about how blind people do things as blind 
people
 living independent lives.  So any suggestions on articles I 
could
 share with my professor would be greatly appreciated.

 Thanks,
 Elizabeth
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  8 15:10:48 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 15:10:48 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Any Suggestions for Blindness Literature?
In-Reply-To: <5821de4f.055f620a.e2e3d.66da@mx.google.com>
References: <5821de4f.055f620a.e2e3d.66da@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <SN1PR12MB0159BA7FD767CE4E47CAF774BAA60@SN1PR12MB0159.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Hello All,

Thank you for the continued discussion in regards to this matter. I have found this discussion to be interesting and helpful.

However, it appears as though there may be an assumption that all I want to do is provide my professor with blindness literature rather than talk to him directly to answer all his questions and correct his misconceptions about blindness. Please know that I am not looking to provide my professor with blindness literature as a substitute for talking to him. I have sent him two well written emails as well as talked to him for about an hour after class the other day, and the only thing this seemed to accomplish was making him aware that I am uncomfortable with the way he is interacting with me.

I feel like this should be a sufficient amount of time to devote to this issue as I am a rather busy college student. I do not feel as though it is my job to spend all of my spare time answering all of the questions my professor has about blindness simply because he is curious or because he does not have much experience interacting with a blind person before. Simply because I have not had much interaction with any particular subgroup of people, it does not automatically mean that I question their abilities or tell them how amazing they are simply for overcoming the obstacles they have faced in their lives.

I am the one who is paying for the tuition required to take this class. It seems to me that if I am paying for this class in the same manner as any other student that I should be able to receive the same education as anyone else. I do not feel as though there should be some additional requirement for me to spend countless hours educating my professor on blindness simply because he appears to be incapable of treating me as just another student in his sociology class.

Since I feel as though I have spent a considerable amount of time writing emails to my professor and talking to him after class, I was simply curious if there was any literature I could give him to help him understand blindness better. Sometimes hearing or reading something in slightly different words by different people can help people understand things better. Since I feel as though I am not very good at explaining blindness to others, I was just curious if there was any literature I could give my professor to help explain things better in a way that he might actually be able to understand.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

 -----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 9:17 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Any Suggestions for Blindness Literature?

The next stop he follows you to the bus stop would be the perfect 
opportunity to talk to him.  Presumably you'll be waiting awhile 
for the bus, so you could take that time to explain things.
Vejas

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,National Association of Blind Students 
mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 08 Nov 2016 04:39:31 -0800
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Any Suggestions for Blindness Literature?

Good morning, EElizabeth,

         Did you come later to the blindness party, or something?
Seeing how Ol'Sighty gets all moved if he should chance to see 
the
blink actually being self sufficient, as I see it, ought not be 
too
suprising.  So don't play stupid.  I would imagine you know very 
well
how Ol'Sighty can get.
Car2016, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote:
Hello Vejas and Carly,

Thank you for your suggestions.  My schedule has been rather busy
lately, and I am not always quite sure how to answer vague 
questions
about blindness, especially when my mind is focused on other 
things.
So this is why I thought providing my professor with some 
literature
might be helpful after trying to talk to him about how he is
treating me makes me feel uncomfortable.

I understand people may feel a bit awkward around me as a blind
person when they first meet me.  However, it is now beyond the 
middle
of the semester, and it feels as though my professor still feels 
a
bit uncomfortable interacting with me as a blind person.

One day as I was entering class and finding my seat, I heard my
professor tell me that he does not know how I do it.  Since it
appears as though I have migrated in terms of where I sit in the
classroom, I responded by telling him that I did not know how I 
do
it either.  However, it was not until after this exchange of 
comments
were made that I realized that my professor and I were talking 
about
two different things.  It seemed to me that he simply could not
understand how I could possibly get around independently as a 
blind
person.  However, since I was yet again migrating to the next row
over when finding a seat, I was wondering how it is that I keep
migrating to the next row of seats rather than simply head 
towards
the seat that I normally sit in during class.  I generally sit in 
the
same seat in class for all of my classes, so the fact that I keep
migrating to other seats for this particular class puzzles me a 
bit.

There was also another day where my professor followed me out to 
the
bus stop and waited there with me until my ride showed up to pick 
me
up.  While I was standing there, I used my Victor Stream to find 
the
phone number for the person who was picking me up, and called the
person who was picking me up from the bus stop on my IPhone.  
>From my
point of view, I was just doing what I needed to do to find out 
if
my ride was still planning to pick me up at this particular
location.  However, my professor thought that I was somehow 
amazing
for being able to do this simple task.  The fact that my 
professor
followed me out to the bus stop really made me feel 
uncomfortable,
and the fact that he thinks I am amazing simply for being able to
walk to the bus stop and make a phone call tells me that he has
rather low expectations of me as a blind person.

I honestly do not know how to describe the blindness techniques I
use when getting around independently as a blind person.  I have
never really had any real formal training in the skills of
blindness, so most of the techniques I use are simply based on 
what
I have seen other people do that I have simply adopted to work 
for
me.  So when people ask me how I am able to get around 
independently
as a blind person, I honestly have no idea how to answer this
question because I simply do what comes natural to me.

Since I have clearly demonstrated my capabilities as a blind
student, I thought perhaps providing him with some additional
information in the form of literature would help him understand 
that
I am really just another student in his sociology class.  I feel 
as
though it is really not my responsibility to sit down with my
professor and answer every question he might have about blindness
just to satisfy his curiosity.  I only have so much time in my
schedule, and sometimes I simply have more important things to 
do.
So again, I simply thought providing my professor with some
literature on blindness might help this situation.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Vejas
Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 11:48 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Any Suggestions for Blindness Literature?

Hi Elizabeth,
I completely understand where you are coming from about it being
frustrating for sighted people talking to  the blind.  I am not 
an
expert on blindness literature, but I do have a couple of
suggestions nonetheless.
My first idea would be to think of the most common questions you
think the professor would have for your specific situation, if 
that
makes sense.  For example, in my situation, I would explain that 
I
use a cane to get around, and might elaborate on the fact that I
have  2 types, one that folds.  I tend to prefer the folding cane 
for
easy storage in a holster, and this is just my personal 
preference,
and often one professors in my experience seem a little more 
comfortable with.
Then I would explain my devices.  In my case, I use a Braillenote
Apex.  I would give a bit of information about how it works, and 
that
I use it with my phone as a pair so that I have better Internet 
access.
I could then explain how I would use these devices to complete 
work,
and then explain my preferred method of handing work in to the 
teacher.
My second idea is to just leave everything completely open.  You
could just send him an email asking him if he has any questions, 
and
to direct these questions to you in his reply.
Like I said, I am not the best at blindness literature, but I 
feel
that your professor might be more interested in something coming
directly from you.
One more thing: in my experience it seems like people are awkward 
at
first around blind folks just because they have never  had to 
deal
with them before and don't understand how much to help.  A 
sighted
friend of mine at LCB who currently attends Louisiana Tech 
explained
it well to me when she said that there are so many blind people
around, all requiring, or thinking they need, different levels of
assistance, so there is no standard.
Vejas

 On Nov 1, 2016, at 09:07, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hello All,

 I recently posted a question about how to go about dealing with 
a
 professor who thinks I am the most amazing person simply because 
I
 happen to be blind.  I really appreciate all the suggestions 
that
 everyone gave me about how to go about handling this situation.
 Since I did not have time to meet with my professor last week, I
 sent him an email telling him that I was beginning to feel a bit
 uncomfortable in his class due to the fact that he either feels
 uncomfortable or unsure about how to communicate and interact 
with
 me as a blind student.

 However, I am not quite sure how well this email helped the
 situation as I was a bit frustrated with other things when I 
wrote
 my email to him.  As a result of my stress and frustration, I am 
not
 quite sure how well I came across in the email I sent my 
professor
 last week.  But hopefully it serves as a good starting point in
 being able to talk to my professor about this situation.

 I am sure he is simply curious about how I do things as a blind
 person.  It  sounds as though he has not had too much 
interaction
 with other blind people.  I would really like to be able to sit 
down
 with him and answer all his questions about how I do things as a
 blind person.  However, my schedule is rather busy right now, 
and I
 feel as though I simply do not have the time to sit down with 
him
 and answer all his questions.  Since I do not have the time to 
sit
 down and answer all his questions about blindness, I thought
 perhaps I could just simply share some articles on how blind 
people
 do things as they live independent lives.

 However, I must admit, it has been a while since I have read
 through NFB literature.  So I am simply curious, what articles 
would
 you share with someone who had questions about how you do things 
as
 a blind person if you did not have the time to sit down and talk 
to
 them about how you do things as a blind person? Are there any 
good
 articles to share that would summarize how blind people do 
things
 as a blind person without going too in-depth on a particular 
skill
 that blind people use in their daily lives? I can think of a 
couple
 of good articles as it relates to blindness philosophy, but I do
 not think an article on blindness philosophy works for someone 
who
 is rather curious about how blind people do things as blind 
people
 living independent lives.  So any suggestions on articles I 
could
 share with my professor would be greatly appreciated.

 Thanks,
 Elizabeth
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Tue Nov  8 18:22:23 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 10:22:23 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] What Are Your Experiences with the Iphone 7?
Message-ID: <A7C4993C-9551-4306-A6FF-D5966CB8C536@gmail.com>

Hi All,
I currently have an IPhone 6. I like it for the most part, and although I have seen a few bugs I can mostly easily work around them.
I have the opportunity to upgrade for free for the IPhone 7. I was just wondering for these who use the 7:
What are the main accessibility issues you faced, especially including these  specifically related to the 7?
Did you find it worthwhile purchasing your 7?
Thanks,
Vejas 

From zdreicer at gmail.com  Tue Nov  8 18:30:03 2016
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 12:30:03 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] What Are Your Experiences with the Iphone 7?
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Other than getting used to the home button not moving when press and one port for earphones  and charging cable, I've liked it! You should definitely consider getting it. It really wasn't that big of a change.

Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver

> On Nov 8, 2016, at 12:22, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> I currently have an IPhone 6. I like it for the most part, and although I have seen a few bugs I can mostly easily work around them.
> I have the opportunity to upgrade for free for the IPhone 7. I was just wondering for these who use the 7:
> What are the main accessibility issues you faced, especially including these  specifically related to the 7?
> Did you find it worthwhile purchasing your 7?
> Thanks,
> Vejas 
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Tue Nov  8 20:00:51 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2016 12:00:51 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Any Suggestions for Blindness Literature?
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Afternoon, Elizabeth,
         Well Elizabeth, if you don't want to put in the effort to 
make the relationship with teach full, maybe even enjoyable, I'm 
afraid you will receive the kind of in depth relationship that you, 
yourself are willing to put in.
I don't think It is teach's job to chase you and your blindness.
Alas, you will probably experience the depth of relationship that you 
yourself are willing to cultivate.
Car
07:10 AM 11/8/2016, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote:
>Hello All,
>
>Thank you for the continued discussion in regards to this matter. I 
>have found this discussion to be interesting and helpful.
>
>However, it appears as though there may be an assumption that all I 
>want to do is provide my professor with blindness literature rather 
>than talk to him directly to answer all his questions and correct 
>his misconceptions about blindness. Please know that I am not 
>looking to provide my professor with blindness literature as a 
>substitute for talking to him. I have sent him two well written 
>emails as well as talked to him for about an hour after class the 
>other day, and the only thing this seemed to accomplish was making 
>him aware that I am uncomfortable with the way he is interacting with me.
>
>I feel like this should be a sufficient amount of time to devote to 
>this issue as I am a rather busy college student. I do not feel as 
>though it is my job to spend all of my spare time answering all of 
>the questions my professor has about blindness simply because he is 
>curious or because he does not have much experience interacting with 
>a blind person before. Simply because I have not had much 
>interaction with any particular subgroup of people, it does not 
>automatically mean that I question their abilities or tell them how 
>amazing they are simply for overcoming the obstacles they have faced 
>in their lives.
>
>I am the one who is paying for the tuition required to take this 
>class. It seems to me that if I am paying for this class in the same 
>manner as any other student that I should be able to receive the 
>same education as anyone else. I do not feel as though there should 
>be some additional requirement for me to spend countless hours 
>educating my professor on blindness simply because he appears to be 
>incapable of treating me as just another student in his sociology class.
>
>Since I feel as though I have spent a considerable amount of time 
>writing emails to my professor and talking to him after class, I was 
>simply curious if there was any literature I could give him to help 
>him understand blindness better. Sometimes hearing or reading 
>something in slightly different words by different people can help 
>people understand things better. Since I feel as though I am not 
>very good at explaining blindness to others, I was just curious if 
>there was any literature I could give my professor to help explain 
>things better in a way that he might actually be able to understand.
>
>Warm regards,
>Elizabeth
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas 
>Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
>Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 9:17 AM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Any Suggestions for Blindness Literature?
>
>The next stop he follows you to the bus stop would be the perfect
>opportunity to talk to him.  Presumably you'll be waiting awhile
>for the bus, so you could take that time to explain things.
>Vejas
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>From: Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,National Association of Blind Students
>mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Tue, 08 Nov 2016 04:39:31 -0800
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Any Suggestions for Blindness Literature?
>
>Good morning, EElizabeth,
>
>          Did you come later to the blindness party, or something?
>Seeing how Ol'Sighty gets all moved if he should chance to see
>the
>blink actually being self sufficient, as I see it, ought not be
>too
>suprising.  So don't play stupid.  I would imagine you know very
>well
>how Ol'Sighty can get.
>Car2016, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote:
>Hello Vejas and Carly,
>
>Thank you for your suggestions.  My schedule has been rather busy
>lately, and I am not always quite sure how to answer vague
>questions
>about blindness, especially when my mind is focused on other
>things.
>So this is why I thought providing my professor with some
>literature
>might be helpful after trying to talk to him about how he is
>treating me makes me feel uncomfortable.
>
>I understand people may feel a bit awkward around me as a blind
>person when they first meet me.  However, it is now beyond the
>middle
>of the semester, and it feels as though my professor still feels
>a
>bit uncomfortable interacting with me as a blind person.
>
>One day as I was entering class and finding my seat, I heard my
>professor tell me that he does not know how I do it.  Since it
>appears as though I have migrated in terms of where I sit in the
>classroom, I responded by telling him that I did not know how I
>do
>it either.  However, it was not until after this exchange of
>comments
>were made that I realized that my professor and I were talking
>about
>two different things.  It seemed to me that he simply could not
>understand how I could possibly get around independently as a
>blind
>person.  However, since I was yet again migrating to the next row
>over when finding a seat, I was wondering how it is that I keep
>migrating to the next row of seats rather than simply head
>towards
>the seat that I normally sit in during class.  I generally sit in
>the
>same seat in class for all of my classes, so the fact that I keep
>migrating to other seats for this particular class puzzles me a
>bit.
>
>There was also another day where my professor followed me out to
>the
>bus stop and waited there with me until my ride showed up to pick
>me
>up.  While I was standing there, I used my Victor Stream to find
>the
>phone number for the person who was picking me up, and called the
>person who was picking me up from the bus stop on my IPhone.
> From my
>point of view, I was just doing what I needed to do to find out
>if
>my ride was still planning to pick me up at this particular
>location.  However, my professor thought that I was somehow
>amazing
>for being able to do this simple task.  The fact that my
>professor
>followed me out to the bus stop really made me feel
>uncomfortable,
>and the fact that he thinks I am amazing simply for being able to
>walk to the bus stop and make a phone call tells me that he has
>rather low expectations of me as a blind person.
>
>I honestly do not know how to describe the blindness techniques I
>use when getting around independently as a blind person.  I have
>never really had any real formal training in the skills of
>blindness, so most of the techniques I use are simply based on
>what
>I have seen other people do that I have simply adopted to work
>for
>me.  So when people ask me how I am able to get around
>independently
>as a blind person, I honestly have no idea how to answer this
>question because I simply do what comes natural to me.
>
>Since I have clearly demonstrated my capabilities as a blind
>student, I thought perhaps providing him with some additional
>information in the form of literature would help him understand
>that
>I am really just another student in his sociology class.  I feel
>as
>though it is really not my responsibility to sit down with my
>professor and answer every question he might have about blindness
>just to satisfy his curiosity.  I only have so much time in my
>schedule, and sometimes I simply have more important things to
>do.
>So again, I simply thought providing my professor with some
>literature on blindness might help this situation.
>
>Warm regards,
>Elizabeth
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>Vejas
>Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
>Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 11:48 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Any Suggestions for Blindness Literature?
>
>Hi Elizabeth,
>I completely understand where you are coming from about it being
>frustrating for sighted people talking to  the blind.  I am not
>an
>expert on blindness literature, but I do have a couple of
>suggestions nonetheless.
>My first idea would be to think of the most common questions you
>think the professor would have for your specific situation, if
>that
>makes sense.  For example, in my situation, I would explain that
>I
>use a cane to get around, and might elaborate on the fact that I
>have  2 types, one that folds.  I tend to prefer the folding cane
>for
>easy storage in a holster, and this is just my personal
>preference,
>and often one professors in my experience seem a little more
>comfortable with.
>Then I would explain my devices.  In my case, I use a Braillenote
>Apex.  I would give a bit of information about how it works, and
>that
>I use it with my phone as a pair so that I have better Internet
>access.
>I could then explain how I would use these devices to complete
>work,
>and then explain my preferred method of handing work in to the
>teacher.
>My second idea is to just leave everything completely open.  You
>could just send him an email asking him if he has any questions,
>and
>to direct these questions to you in his reply.
>Like I said, I am not the best at blindness literature, but I
>feel
>that your professor might be more interested in something coming
>directly from you.
>One more thing: in my experience it seems like people are awkward
>at
>first around blind folks just because they have never  had to
>deal
>with them before and don't understand how much to help.  A
>sighted
>friend of mine at LCB who currently attends Louisiana Tech
>explained
>it well to me when she said that there are so many blind people
>around, all requiring, or thinking they need, different levels of
>assistance, so there is no standard.
>Vejas
>
>  On Nov 1, 2016, at 09:07, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>  Hello All,
>
>  I recently posted a question about how to go about dealing with
>a
>  professor who thinks I am the most amazing person simply because
>I
>  happen to be blind.  I really appreciate all the suggestions
>that
>  everyone gave me about how to go about handling this situation.
>  Since I did not have time to meet with my professor last week, I
>  sent him an email telling him that I was beginning to feel a bit
>  uncomfortable in his class due to the fact that he either feels
>  uncomfortable or unsure about how to communicate and interact
>with
>  me as a blind student.
>
>  However, I am not quite sure how well this email helped the
>  situation as I was a bit frustrated with other things when I
>wrote
>  my email to him.  As a result of my stress and frustration, I am
>not
>  quite sure how well I came across in the email I sent my
>professor
>  last week.  But hopefully it serves as a good starting point in
>  being able to talk to my professor about this situation.
>
>  I am sure he is simply curious about how I do things as a blind
>  person.  It  sounds as though he has not had too much
>interaction
>  with other blind people.  I would really like to be able to sit
>down
>  with him and answer all his questions about how I do things as a
>  blind person.  However, my schedule is rather busy right now,
>and I
>  feel as though I simply do not have the time to sit down with
>him
>  and answer all his questions.  Since I do not have the time to
>sit
>  down and answer all his questions about blindness, I thought
>  perhaps I could just simply share some articles on how blind
>people
>  do things as they live independent lives.
>
>  However, I must admit, it has been a while since I have read
>  through NFB literature.  So I am simply curious, what articles
>would
>  you share with someone who had questions about how you do things
>as
>  a blind person if you did not have the time to sit down and talk
>to
>  them about how you do things as a blind person? Are there any
>good
>  articles to share that would summarize how blind people do
>things
>  as a blind person without going too in-depth on a particular
>skill
>  that blind people use in their daily lives? I can think of a
>couple
>  of good articles as it relates to blindness philosophy, but I do
>  not think an article on blindness philosophy works for someone
>who
>  is rather curious about how blind people do things as blind
>people
>  living independent lives.  So any suggestions on articles I
>could
>  share with my professor would be greatly appreciated.
>
>  Thanks,
>  Elizabeth
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Tue Nov  8 20:14:55 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2016 12:14:55 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Any Suggestions for Blindness Literature?
Message-ID: <58223243.c315620a.29587.0bce@mx.google.com>

Carly,
I think you have misread what Elizabeth is saying.  She sent some 
long emails and talked to her professor for an hour.
At this point I feel that it is more of a case of the professor 
choosing not to allow himself to be educated, so I don't think 
that this is any of Elizabeth's doing.
Vejas


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,National Association of Blind Students 
mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 08 Nov 2016 12:00:51 -0800
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Any Suggestions for Blindness Literature?

Afternoon, Elizabeth,
         Well Elizabeth, if you don't want to put in the effort 
to
make the relationship with teach full, maybe even enjoyable, I'm
afraid you will receive the kind of in depth relationship that 
you,
yourself are willing to put in.
I don't think It is teach's job to chase you and your blindness.
Alas, you will probably experience the depth of relationship that 
you
yourself are willing to cultivate.
Car
07:10 AM 11/8/2016, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote:
Hello All,

Thank you for the continued discussion in regards to this matter.  
I
have found this discussion to be interesting and helpful.

However, it appears as though there may be an assumption that all 
I
want to do is provide my professor with blindness literature 
rather
than talk to him directly to answer all his questions and correct
his misconceptions about blindness.  Please know that I am not
looking to provide my professor with blindness literature as a
substitute for talking to him.  I have sent him two well written
emails as well as talked to him for about an hour after class the
other day, and the only thing this seemed to accomplish was 
making
him aware that I am uncomfortable with the way he is interacting 
with me.

I feel like this should be a sufficient amount of time to devote 
to
this issue as I am a rather busy college student.  I do not feel 
as
though it is my job to spend all of my spare time answering all 
of
the questions my professor has about blindness simply because he 
is
curious or because he does not have much experience interacting 
with
a blind person before.  Simply because I have not had much
interaction with any particular subgroup of people, it does not
automatically mean that I question their abilities or tell them 
how
amazing they are simply for overcoming the obstacles they have 
faced
in their lives.

I am the one who is paying for the tuition required to take this
class.  It seems to me that if I am paying for this class in the 
same
manner as any other student that I should be able to receive the
same education as anyone else.  I do not feel as though there 
should
be some additional requirement for me to spend countless hours
educating my professor on blindness simply because he appears to 
be
incapable of treating me as just another student in his sociology 
class.

Since I feel as though I have spent a considerable amount of time
writing emails to my professor and talking to him after class, I 
was
simply curious if there was any literature I could give him to 
help
him understand blindness better.  Sometimes hearing or reading
something in slightly different words by different people can 
help
people understand things better.  Since I feel as though I am not
very good at explaining blindness to others, I was just curious 
if
there was any literature I could give my professor to help 
explain
things better in a way that he might actually be able to 
understand.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

  -----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Vejas
Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 9:17 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Any Suggestions for Blindness Literature?

The next stop he follows you to the bus stop would be the perfect
opportunity to talk to him.  Presumably you'll be waiting awhile
for the bus, so you could take that time to explain things.
Vejas

  ----- Original Message -----
From: Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,National Association of Blind Students
mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 08 Nov 2016 04:39:31 -0800
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Any Suggestions for Blindness Literature?

Good morning, EElizabeth,

          Did you come later to the blindness party, or 
something?
Seeing how Ol'Sighty gets all moved if he should chance to see
the
blink actually being self sufficient, as I see it, ought not be
too
suprising.  So don't play stupid.  I would imagine you know very
well
how Ol'Sighty can get.
Car2016, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote:
Hello Vejas and Carly,

Thank you for your suggestions.  My schedule has been rather busy
lately, and I am not always quite sure how to answer vague
questions
about blindness, especially when my mind is focused on other
things.
So this is why I thought providing my professor with some
literature
might be helpful after trying to talk to him about how he is
treating me makes me feel uncomfortable.

I understand people may feel a bit awkward around me as a blind
person when they first meet me.  However, it is now beyond the
middle
of the semester, and it feels as though my professor still feels
a
bit uncomfortable interacting with me as a blind person.

One day as I was entering class and finding my seat, I heard my
professor tell me that he does not know how I do it.  Since it
appears as though I have migrated in terms of where I sit in the
classroom, I responded by telling him that I did not know how I
do
it either.  However, it was not until after this exchange of
comments
were made that I realized that my professor and I were talking
about
two different things.  It seemed to me that he simply could not
understand how I could possibly get around independently as a
blind
person.  However, since I was yet again migrating to the next row
over when finding a seat, I was wondering how it is that I keep
migrating to the next row of seats rather than simply head
towards
the seat that I normally sit in during class.  I generally sit in
the
same seat in class for all of my classes, so the fact that I keep
migrating to other seats for this particular class puzzles me a
bit.

There was also another day where my professor followed me out to
the
bus stop and waited there with me until my ride showed up to pick
me
up.  While I was standing there, I used my Victor Stream to find
the
phone number for the person who was picking me up, and called the
person who was picking me up from the bus stop on my IPhone.
 From my
point of view, I was just doing what I needed to do to find out
if
my ride was still planning to pick me up at this particular
location.  However, my professor thought that I was somehow
amazing
for being able to do this simple task.  The fact that my
professor
followed me out to the bus stop really made me feel
uncomfortable,
and the fact that he thinks I am amazing simply for being able to
walk to the bus stop and make a phone call tells me that he has
rather low expectations of me as a blind person.

I honestly do not know how to describe the blindness techniques I
use when getting around independently as a blind person.  I have
never really had any real formal training in the skills of
blindness, so most of the techniques I use are simply based on
what
I have seen other people do that I have simply adopted to work
for
me.  So when people ask me how I am able to get around
independently
as a blind person, I honestly have no idea how to answer this
question because I simply do what comes natural to me.

Since I have clearly demonstrated my capabilities as a blind
student, I thought perhaps providing him with some additional
information in the form of literature would help him understand
that
I am really just another student in his sociology class.  I feel
as
though it is really not my responsibility to sit down with my
professor and answer every question he might have about blindness
just to satisfy his curiosity.  I only have so much time in my
schedule, and sometimes I simply have more important things to
do.
So again, I simply thought providing my professor with some
literature on blindness might help this situation.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth


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Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Any Suggestions for Blindness Literature?

Hi Elizabeth,
I completely understand where you are coming from about it being
frustrating for sighted people talking to  the blind.  I am not
an
expert on blindness literature, but I do have a couple of
suggestions nonetheless.
My first idea would be to think of the most common questions you
think the professor would have for your specific situation, if
that
makes sense.  For example, in my situation, I would explain that
I
use a cane to get around, and might elaborate on the fact that I
have  2 types, one that folds.  I tend to prefer the folding cane
for
easy storage in a holster, and this is just my personal
preference,
and often one professors in my experience seem a little more
comfortable with.
Then I would explain my devices.  In my case, I use a Braillenote
Apex.  I would give a bit of information about how it works, and
that
I use it with my phone as a pair so that I have better Internet
access.
I could then explain how I would use these devices to complete
work,
and then explain my preferred method of handing work in to the
teacher.
My second idea is to just leave everything completely open.  You
could just send him an email asking him if he has any questions,
and
to direct these questions to you in his reply.
Like I said, I am not the best at blindness literature, but I
feel
that your professor might be more interested in something coming
directly from you.
One more thing: in my experience it seems like people are awkward
at
first around blind folks just because they have never  had to
deal
with them before and don't understand how much to help.  A
sighted
friend of mine at LCB who currently attends Louisiana Tech
explained
it well to me when she said that there are so many blind people
around, all requiring, or thinking they need, different levels of
assistance, so there is no standard.
Vejas

  On Nov 1, 2016, at 09:07, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

  Hello All,

  I recently posted a question about how to go about dealing with
a
  professor who thinks I am the most amazing person simply 
because
I
  happen to be blind.  I really appreciate all the suggestions
that
  everyone gave me about how to go about handling this situation.
  Since I did not have time to meet with my professor last week, 
I
  sent him an email telling him that I was beginning to feel a 
bit
  uncomfortable in his class due to the fact that he either feels
  uncomfortable or unsure about how to communicate and interact
with
  me as a blind student.

  However, I am not quite sure how well this email helped the
  situation as I was a bit frustrated with other things when I
wrote
  my email to him.  As a result of my stress and frustration, I 
am
not
  quite sure how well I came across in the email I sent my
professor
  last week.  But hopefully it serves as a good starting point in
  being able to talk to my professor about this situation.

  I am sure he is simply curious about how I do things as a blind
  person.  It  sounds as though he has not had too much
interaction
  with other blind people.  I would really like to be able to sit
down
  with him and answer all his questions about how I do things as 
a
  blind person.  However, my schedule is rather busy right now,
and I
  feel as though I simply do not have the time to sit down with
him
  and answer all his questions.  Since I do not have the time to
sit
  down and answer all his questions about blindness, I thought
  perhaps I could just simply share some articles on how blind
people
  do things as they live independent lives.

  However, I must admit, it has been a while since I have read
  through NFB literature.  So I am simply curious, what articles
would
  you share with someone who had questions about how you do 
things
as
  a blind person if you did not have the time to sit down and 
talk
to
  them about how you do things as a blind person? Are there any
good
  articles to share that would summarize how blind people do
things
  as a blind person without going too in-depth on a particular
skill
  that blind people use in their daily lives? I can think of a
couple
  of good articles as it relates to blindness philosophy, but I 
do
  not think an article on blindness philosophy works for someone
who
  is rather curious about how blind people do things as blind
people
  living independent lives.  So any suggestions on articles I
could
  share with my professor would be greatly appreciated.

  Thanks,
  Elizabeth
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Tue Nov  8 20:20:33 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2016 12:20:33 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Any Suggestions for Blindness Literature?
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Afternoon, Vejas,

Thank you for that.  At 12:14 PM 11/8/2016, Vejas Vasiliauskas via 
NABS-L wrote:
>Carly,
>I think you have misread what Elizabeth is saying.  She sent some 
>long emails and talked to her professor for an hour.
>At this point I feel that it is more of a case of the professor 
>choosing not to allow himself to be educated, so I don't think that 
>this is any of Elizabeth's doing.
>Vejas
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,National Association of Blind Students mailing 
>list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Tue, 08 Nov 2016 12:00:51 -0800
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Any Suggestions for Blindness Literature?
>
>Afternoon, Elizabeth,
>         Well Elizabeth, if you don't want to put in the effort to
>make the relationship with teach full, maybe even enjoyable, I'm
>afraid you will receive the kind of in depth relationship that you,
>yourself are willing to put in.
>I don't think It is teach's job to chase you and your blindness.
>Alas, you will probably experience the depth of relationship that you
>yourself are willing to cultivate.
>Car
>07:10 AM 11/8/2016, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote:
>Hello All,
>
>Thank you for the continued discussion in regards to this matter.
>I
>have found this discussion to be interesting and helpful.
>
>However, it appears as though there may be an assumption that all I
>want to do is provide my professor with blindness literature rather
>than talk to him directly to answer all his questions and correct
>his misconceptions about blindness.  Please know that I am not
>looking to provide my professor with blindness literature as a
>substitute for talking to him.  I have sent him two well written
>emails as well as talked to him for about an hour after class the
>other day, and the only thing this seemed to accomplish was making
>him aware that I am uncomfortable with the way he is interacting with me.
>
>I feel like this should be a sufficient amount of time to devote to
>this issue as I am a rather busy college student.  I do not feel as
>though it is my job to spend all of my spare time answering all of
>the questions my professor has about blindness simply because he is
>curious or because he does not have much experience interacting with
>a blind person before.  Simply because I have not had much
>interaction with any particular subgroup of people, it does not
>automatically mean that I question their abilities or tell them how
>amazing they are simply for overcoming the obstacles they have faced
>in their lives.
>
>I am the one who is paying for the tuition required to take this
>class.  It seems to me that if I am paying for this class in the same
>manner as any other student that I should be able to receive the
>same education as anyone else.  I do not feel as though there should
>be some additional requirement for me to spend countless hours
>educating my professor on blindness simply because he appears to be
>incapable of treating me as just another student in his sociology class.
>
>Since I feel as though I have spent a considerable amount of time
>writing emails to my professor and talking to him after class, I was
>simply curious if there was any literature I could give him to help
>him understand blindness better.  Sometimes hearing or reading
>something in slightly different words by different people can help
>people understand things better.  Since I feel as though I am not
>very good at explaining blindness to others, I was just curious if
>there was any literature I could give my professor to help explain
>things better in a way that he might actually be able to understand.
>
>Warm regards,
>Elizabeth
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
>Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
>Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 9:17 AM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Any Suggestions for Blindness Literature?
>
>The next stop he follows you to the bus stop would be the perfect
>opportunity to talk to him.  Presumably you'll be waiting awhile
>for the bus, so you could take that time to explain things.
>Vejas
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>From: Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,National Association of Blind Students
>mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Tue, 08 Nov 2016 04:39:31 -0800
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Any Suggestions for Blindness Literature?
>
>Good morning, EElizabeth,
>
>          Did you come later to the blindness party, or something?
>Seeing how Ol'Sighty gets all moved if he should chance to see
>the
>blink actually being self sufficient, as I see it, ought not be
>too
>suprising.  So don't play stupid.  I would imagine you know very
>well
>how Ol'Sighty can get.
>Car2016, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote:
>Hello Vejas and Carly,
>
>Thank you for your suggestions.  My schedule has been rather busy
>lately, and I am not always quite sure how to answer vague
>questions
>about blindness, especially when my mind is focused on other
>things.
>So this is why I thought providing my professor with some
>literature
>might be helpful after trying to talk to him about how he is
>treating me makes me feel uncomfortable.
>
>I understand people may feel a bit awkward around me as a blind
>person when they first meet me.  However, it is now beyond the
>middle
>of the semester, and it feels as though my professor still feels
>a
>bit uncomfortable interacting with me as a blind person.
>
>One day as I was entering class and finding my seat, I heard my
>professor tell me that he does not know how I do it.  Since it
>appears as though I have migrated in terms of where I sit in the
>classroom, I responded by telling him that I did not know how I
>do
>it either.  However, it was not until after this exchange of
>comments
>were made that I realized that my professor and I were talking
>about
>two different things.  It seemed to me that he simply could not
>understand how I could possibly get around independently as a
>blind
>person.  However, since I was yet again migrating to the next row
>over when finding a seat, I was wondering how it is that I keep
>migrating to the next row of seats rather than simply head
>towards
>the seat that I normally sit in during class.  I generally sit in
>the
>same seat in class for all of my classes, so the fact that I keep
>migrating to other seats for this particular class puzzles me a
>bit.
>
>There was also another day where my professor followed me out to
>the
>bus stop and waited there with me until my ride showed up to pick
>me
>up.  While I was standing there, I used my Victor Stream to find
>the
>phone number for the person who was picking me up, and called the
>person who was picking me up from the bus stop on my IPhone.
> From my
>point of view, I was just doing what I needed to do to find out
>if
>my ride was still planning to pick me up at this particular
>location.  However, my professor thought that I was somehow
>amazing
>for being able to do this simple task.  The fact that my
>professor
>followed me out to the bus stop really made me feel
>uncomfortable,
>and the fact that he thinks I am amazing simply for being able to
>walk to the bus stop and make a phone call tells me that he has
>rather low expectations of me as a blind person.
>
>I honestly do not know how to describe the blindness techniques I
>use when getting around independently as a blind person.  I have
>never really had any real formal training in the skills of
>blindness, so most of the techniques I use are simply based on
>what
>I have seen other people do that I have simply adopted to work
>for
>me.  So when people ask me how I am able to get around
>independently
>as a blind person, I honestly have no idea how to answer this
>question because I simply do what comes natural to me.
>
>Since I have clearly demonstrated my capabilities as a blind
>student, I thought perhaps providing him with some additional
>information in the form of literature would help him understand
>that
>I am really just another student in his sociology class.  I feel
>as
>though it is really not my responsibility to sit down with my
>professor and answer every question he might have about blindness
>just to satisfy his curiosity.  I only have so much time in my
>schedule, and sometimes I simply have more important things to
>do.
>So again, I simply thought providing my professor with some
>literature on blindness might help this situation.
>
>Warm regards,
>Elizabeth
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>Vejas
>Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
>Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 11:48 PM
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><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Any Suggestions for Blindness Literature?
>
>Hi Elizabeth,
>I completely understand where you are coming from about it being
>frustrating for sighted people talking to  the blind.  I am not
>an
>expert on blindness literature, but I do have a couple of
>suggestions nonetheless.
>My first idea would be to think of the most common questions you
>think the professor would have for your specific situation, if
>that
>makes sense.  For example, in my situation, I would explain that
>I
>use a cane to get around, and might elaborate on the fact that I
>have  2 types, one that folds.  I tend to prefer the folding cane
>for
>easy storage in a holster, and this is just my personal
>preference,
>and often one professors in my experience seem a little more
>comfortable with.
>Then I would explain my devices.  In my case, I use a Braillenote
>Apex.  I would give a bit of information about how it works, and
>that
>I use it with my phone as a pair so that I have better Internet
>access.
>I could then explain how I would use these devices to complete
>work,
>and then explain my preferred method of handing work in to the
>teacher.
>My second idea is to just leave everything completely open.  You
>could just send him an email asking him if he has any questions,
>and
>to direct these questions to you in his reply.
>Like I said, I am not the best at blindness literature, but I
>feel
>that your professor might be more interested in something coming
>directly from you.
>One more thing: in my experience it seems like people are awkward
>at
>first around blind folks just because they have never  had to
>deal
>with them before and don't understand how much to help.  A
>sighted
>friend of mine at LCB who currently attends Louisiana Tech
>explained
>it well to me when she said that there are so many blind people
>around, all requiring, or thinking they need, different levels of
>assistance, so there is no standard.
>Vejas
>
>  On Nov 1, 2016, at 09:07, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>  Hello All,
>
>  I recently posted a question about how to go about dealing with
>a
>  professor who thinks I am the most amazing person simply because
>I
>  happen to be blind.  I really appreciate all the suggestions
>that
>  everyone gave me about how to go about handling this situation.
>  Since I did not have time to meet with my professor last week, I
>  sent him an email telling him that I was beginning to feel a bit
>  uncomfortable in his class due to the fact that he either feels
>  uncomfortable or unsure about how to communicate and interact
>with
>  me as a blind student.
>
>  However, I am not quite sure how well this email helped the
>  situation as I was a bit frustrated with other things when I
>wrote
>  my email to him.  As a result of my stress and frustration, I am
>not
>  quite sure how well I came across in the email I sent my
>professor
>  last week.  But hopefully it serves as a good starting point in
>  being able to talk to my professor about this situation.
>
>  I am sure he is simply curious about how I do things as a blind
>  person.  It  sounds as though he has not had too much
>interaction
>  with other blind people.  I would really like to be able to sit
>down
>  with him and answer all his questions about how I do things as a
>  blind person.  However, my schedule is rather busy right now,
>and I
>  feel as though I simply do not have the time to sit down with
>him
>  and answer all his questions.  Since I do not have the time to
>sit
>  down and answer all his questions about blindness, I thought
>  perhaps I could just simply share some articles on how blind
>people
>  do things as they live independent lives.
>
>  However, I must admit, it has been a while since I have read
>  through NFB literature.  So I am simply curious, what articles
>would
>  you share with someone who had questions about how you do things
>as
>  a blind person if you did not have the time to sit down and talk
>to
>  them about how you do things as a blind person? Are there any
>good
>  articles to share that would summarize how blind people do
>things
>  as a blind person without going too in-depth on a particular
>skill
>  that blind people use in their daily lives? I can think of a
>couple
>  of good articles as it relates to blindness philosophy, but I do
>  not think an article on blindness philosophy works for someone
>who
>  is rather curious about how blind people do things as blind
>people
>  living independent lives.  So any suggestions on articles I
>could
>  share with my professor would be greatly appreciated.
>
>  Thanks,
>  Elizabeth
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From sbonenfant2 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  8 20:25:52 2016
From: sbonenfant2 at gmail.com (Simon)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 15:25:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] What Are Your Experiences with the Iphone 7?
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One critical thing the iPhone 7 has that previous models don't is no headphone jack, the iPhone 7 does not have a headphone jack built into it but it does have an adapter that you can use, so if you like using headphones and use them a lot then maybe this isn't the phone for you, also one other keynote is that you cannot use headphones and charger iPhone at the same time.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 8, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> I currently have an IPhone 6. I like it for the most part, and although I have seen a few bugs I can mostly easily work around them.
> I have the opportunity to upgrade for free for the IPhone 7. I was just wondering for these who use the 7:
> What are the main accessibility issues you faced, especially including these  specifically related to the 7?
> Did you find it worthwhile purchasing your 7?
> Thanks,
> Vejas 
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From melissaflammia at gmail.com  Tue Nov  8 21:54:06 2016
From: melissaflammia at gmail.com (melissaflammia at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 16:54:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] What Are Your Experiences with the Iphone 7?
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I have the iPhone 7 - it was free. I absolutely love it. I have no problems what so ever with it. 

> On Nov 8, 2016, at 15:25, Simon via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> One critical thing the iPhone 7 has that previous models don't is no headphone jack, the iPhone 7 does not have a headphone jack built into it but it does have an adapter that you can use, so if you like using headphones and use them a lot then maybe this isn't the phone for you, also one other keynote is that you cannot use headphones and charger iPhone at the same time.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> I currently have an IPhone 6. I like it for the most part, and although I have seen a few bugs I can mostly easily work around them.
>> I have the opportunity to upgrade for free for the IPhone 7. I was just wondering for these who use the 7:
>> What are the main accessibility issues you faced, especially including these  specifically related to the 7?
>> Did you find it worthwhile purchasing your 7?
>> Thanks,
>> Vejas 
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From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Tue Nov  8 22:07:19 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 17:07:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] What Are Your Experiences with the Iphone 7?
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	<D20D1391-4CCA-4DFD-84D9-41E3BCB82960@gmail.com>
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I like the iPhone 7.
Having no headphone jack is not as problematic as some would think.


> On Nov 8, 2016, at 16:54, Melissa via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I have the iPhone 7 - it was free. I absolutely love it. I have no problems what so ever with it. 
> 
>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 15:25, Simon via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> One critical thing the iPhone 7 has that previous models don't is no headphone jack, the iPhone 7 does not have a headphone jack built into it but it does have an adapter that you can use, so if you like using headphones and use them a lot then maybe this isn't the phone for you, also one other keynote is that you cannot use headphones and charger iPhone at the same time.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> I currently have an IPhone 6. I like it for the most part, and although I have seen a few bugs I can mostly easily work around them.
>>> I have the opportunity to upgrade for free for the IPhone 7. I was just wondering for these who use the 7:
>>> What are the main accessibility issues you faced, especially including these  specifically related to the 7?
>>> Did you find it worthwhile purchasing your 7?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Vejas 
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>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Wed Nov  9 23:50:50 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2016 15:50:50 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting with Professors in Advance
Message-ID: <5823b65d.01d6620a.9dfb5.69e7@mx.google.com>

Hi All,
I register for my next-semester classes on Friday.  It is the 
middle of November, and the next semester begins in the beginning 
of January.
I am thinking, once I register, to immediately send each 
professor an email asking which texts they will use, but don't 
know if I should include some possible introductory information 
about myself as well, since there is still lots of time before 
the semester starts.
Also, how far in advance do you physically meet with the 
professors? I was on vaction over the summer until shortly before 
move-in day and did not have this opportunity, but I would like 
to meet my professors ahead of time this semester so that I can 
get a feel of who they are and they can understand my blindness.
Thanks,
Vejas


From chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 10 00:23:46 2016
From: chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com (chelsea peahl)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 00:23:46 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting with Professors in Advance
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For me, I send them an email when I register and give them a little info about me. (It usually says hi professor "insert name here", I am a student with a visual impairment taking your class "insert semester". Then request a meeting. I like to meet at least 2-3 weeks before a semester starts to give time for them and disability services to get any last-minute stuff together.
I don't know if that is helpful, but that is what I've found that works for me.

Chelsea Peahl

> On Nov 9, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> I register for my next-semester classes on Friday.  It is the middle of November, and the next semester begins in the beginning of January.
> I am thinking, once I register, to immediately send each professor an email asking which texts they will use, but don't know if I should include some possible introductory information about myself as well, since there is still lots of time before the semester starts.
> Also, how far in advance do you physically meet with the professors? I was on vaction over the summer until shortly before move-in day and did not have this opportunity, but I would like to meet my professors ahead of time this semester so that I can get a feel of who they are and they can understand my blindness.
> Thanks,
> Vejas
> 
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 10 00:35:56 2016
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 19:35:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting with Professors in Advance
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Hi Vejas. How are yu? I recommend you to meet with your professors two months in advance. I actually will do that this Semester.  I always do that. When you write an email   to your professors,  first, don't tell them about your books yet? When you write an emil tell them, just Hello professor, then you put the Professor's name and just tell them who you are and that  you are a blind or visually impaired student, and  just tell them that you will like to meet with them at their  office in order to discuss the course adn accommodations that you   will need for the  course. When you tell them who you are in your emil, tell them that you wil be take their class next upcoming semester. It is better to meet in person with them since when you meet with them you will talk about the books, adn they send you the emils of the textbooks you need.   Below I will post a sample email in how I write to new Professor if I don't know them,adn I want to meet with them before next semester. Hope this helps! I look forward in hearing form you soon. Thanks and God bless! 
Hello Professor last name of Professor. My name is Helga Schreiber and I am a visually impaired student who is going to take your Literature & The Environment class next upcoming Spring Semester. Would it be possible for you to meet with me at your office, in order to discuss about the course and some accommodations I will need for it? I'm just wondering. I will really appreciate it.  I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks so much.

  Helga Schreiber 
Group Moderator  
 
  for the IPad help for the blind 
 
IPadhelpfortheblind+subscribe at groups.io  

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.1    

> On Nov 9, 2016, at 6:50 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> I register for my next-semester classes on Friday.  It is the middle of November, and the next semester begins in the beginning of January.
> I am thinking, once I register, to immediately send each professor an email asking which texts they will use, but don't know if I should include some possible introductory information about myself as well, since there is still lots of time before the semester starts.
> Also, how far in advance do you physically meet with the professors? I was on vaction over the summer until shortly before move-in day and did not have this opportunity, but I would like to meet my professors ahead of time this semester so that I can get a feel of who they are and they can understand my blindness.
> Thanks,
> Vejas
> 
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 10 03:31:17 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 22:31:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting with Professors in Advance
In-Reply-To: <5823b65d.01d6620a.9dfb5.69e7@mx.google.com>
References: <5823b65d.01d6620a.9dfb5.69e7@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <BBAB5A23F79345A886E8C073B2FD56FD@OwnerPC>

Hi Vejas,

It seems curteous to introduce yourself stating who you are and you are in 
their class and that you are blind. Then, certainly ask about the books. 
When you do it is a personal decision. I did not do it right after 
registering. Not all professors were even assigned by then. But most were.

After registering, I often waited until the end of the semester to send 
potential professors emails. So, if it was for spring semester, I sent an 
email in December before they went on  holiday break. How far in advance you 
see the professors is also personal.
I would also consider the type of class and which accomodations you'd need. 
For instance, if it is a science class, you will need more accomodations 
such as tactile diagrams or models of the structures you are studying. So, 
you then might want to meet the science professor more in advance than other 
professors. But if it’s a sociology class or history class, chances are you 
will not need many accommodations as this is mostly a lecture class 
typically. So, I would not meet them in advance. I usually met professors 
when the semester began during the first week or two. In my email, I asked 
for a meeting. The professors usually responded they would meet me after the 
first class because we did not meet the whole class period. They just went 
over the syllabus first day. So, we we met after class since they already 
had 30 minutes of class time built into the schedule.  Other times, I met 
professors in their offices later in the day when it was convenient to them.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 6:50 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas
Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting with Professors in Advance

Hi All,
I register for my next-semester classes on Friday.  It is the
middle of November, and the next semester begins in the beginning
of January.
I am thinking, once I register, to immediately send each
professor an email asking which texts they will use, but don't
know if I should include some possible introductory information
about myself as well, since there is still lots of time before
the semester starts.
Also, how far in advance do you physically meet with the
professors? I was on vaction over the summer until shortly before
move-in day and did not have this opportunity, but I would like
to meet my professors ahead of time this semester so that I can
get a feel of who they are and they can understand my blindness.
Thanks,
Vejas

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From lizzym0827 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 10 13:10:39 2016
From: lizzym0827 at gmail.com (Lizzy)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 08:10:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting with Professors in Advance
Message-ID: <58247203.3131c80a.945d9.efd9@mx.google.com>

Hi Vejas,
Great question! As you can see, opinions vary on this topic and I 
honestly use different methods depending on the class.
	If the course is not required for my major or is offered by 
multiple professors, I actually start meeting with them 
before registering.  It makes life easier because if I don't 
mesh with a professor, or feel that they aren't very 
accommodating, I can register for a different class.  So 
that's definitely something to keep in mind for the future.  
Another thing that I've done in the past is sat in on 
classes that the professor is currently teaching to get a 
feel for any advice that they might find useful for teaching 
a blind student.  I had never taken Econ before, and wasn't 
sure how many graphs were necessary, how descriptive he was 
when using powerpoint or drawing diagrams.  I really 
couldn't say what would have been useful for me without 
seeing the professor teach first.  So I attended one of his 
classes and we met after that so that I could give him some 
personal feedback and he could ask questions that he wasn't 
sure about when teaching or describing.  I've taken other 
classes where I didn't meet with the professor at all and 
things worked out totally fine (just communicating via 
email).  I've done this with Spanish, Chinese, and 
Anthropology courses).  I will note though, that I only felt 
comfortable doing so after having some experience with those 
areas of study.  A general rule of thumb is to meet with the 
professor the semester before you take their class-November 
for spring classes and early April for the Fall-it gives 
Disabilities Services enough time to prep the work and you 
enough time to switch classes if possible or necessary).  
However, if you are unable to do this for some reason, it's 
not the end of the world.  Also, not all professors are good 
about checking their email over breaks so you definitely 
want to introduce yourself when they are on campus 
(mid-August or early January).
HTH,
Lizzy


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 10 13:33:55 2016
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 08:33:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting with Professors in Advance
Message-ID: <58247775.4b34810a.58f96.6010@mx.google.com>

Hi Vejas thanks for your message.  I usually send an introductory 
email to my professors before the first day of classes.  Yes you 
should include some background information about yourself in your 
introductory emails.


From kaitlyn.millen at nobarriersusa.org  Thu Nov 10 17:09:48 2016
From: kaitlyn.millen at nobarriersusa.org (Kaitlyn Millen)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 10:09:48 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Expedition in the Grand Canyon- Please share!
Message-ID: <CACW0Y_pq54DAe3FxW0WnEfHZ03rddR4gABe-Yp9eA=soyCVRyA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear NABS,

A Fort Collins, CO non-profit organization, No Barriers, is offering two
exciting open enrollment expeditions in July 2017 and is accepting
applications from any students within the age ranges.

*Leading the Way: Grand Canyon Sound Academy: *
*July 14-25, 2017**http://www.nobarriersusa.org/youth/programs/expeditions/leading-the-way/grand-canyon/
<http://www.nobarriersusa.org/youth/programs/expeditions/leading-the-way/grand-canyon/>*

Cost:  $510 + travel to Phoenix, AZ.  Due to generous funding (a *$3,300
scholarship for each accepted student*) from the National Park Service's
Natural Sound & Night Skies Division (NSNSD), this program has been
significantly reduced from its original price.

Eligible Students: Blind, Visually Impaired and Sighted, Ages 15-19

Early Application Deadline: December 12, 2016
(Preference is given to those who apply by the early deadline):
Final Application Deadline: January 13, 2017


Please contact us at LeadingTheWay at nobarriersusa.org or call us at
970-484-3633 with any questions and share this email with those who may be
interested. If you share this message, please CC LeadingTheWay at nobarriersusa
.org so we can see our reach. If you "like" No Barriers Youth" on Facebook,
you can see our post about this program and share it on social media. You
can also nominate a student here:
*https://nobarriersusa.wufoo.com/forms/leading-the-way-nomination-form-2017/
<https://nobarriersusa.wufoo.com/forms/leading-the-way-nomination-form-2017/> *

*At No Barriers, we believe that what's within you is stronger than what's
in your way, and we are out to prove it every day through our
transformative journeys that help students discover their potential.
Please contact us for more information if you would like to join our
efforts by supporting a student or school program.*

Thank you for helping to spread the word and we look forward to connecting
with you!

-- 
*KAITLYN MILLEN |*
* Leading the Way Program Specialist *

*http://www.nlcsdproject.org/kaitlyn-millen/
<http://www.nlcsdproject.org/kaitlyn-millen/> *
*Donate today: *http://www.nobarriersusa.org/give-step-1/
224 Canyon Avenue, Suite 207, Fort Collins, CO 80521

OFFICE: 970.484.3633, Extension 322

TOLL FREE: 877.627.1425 FAX: 970.672.1073

www.nobarriersusa.org

From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 10 22:04:42 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 17:04:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting with Professors in Advance
Message-ID: <5824ef00.1d2bc80a.71199.78c7@mx.google.com>

Hi Vejas, I'm not sure why you would want to meet with your 
professors in advance unless the class is math, science, a 
foreign language, or something like that where you need 
significant accommodations.  I always just went up to them after 
class on the first day and said hi unless it was one of the kinds 
of classes I mentioned above.  It would look kind of strange to 
just ask what the books will be without introducing yourself in 
the e-mail and mentioning that the reason you want to know is 
that you're blind.  Keep in mind that the end of the semester is 
very busy for professors--they have to grade all the finals and 
final papers--so I would suggest asking about the books now.  It 
also gives DSS or Bookshare longer to make them accessible for 
you.

HTH,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 09 Nov 2016 15:50:50 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting with Professors in Advance

Hi All,
I register for my next-semester classes on Friday.  It is the
middle of November, and the next semester begins in the beginning
of January.
I am thinking, once I register, to immediately send each
professor an email asking which texts they will use, but don't
know if I should include some possible introductory information
about myself as well, since there is still lots of time before
the semester starts.
Also, how far in advance do you physically meet with the
professors? I was on vaction over the summer until shortly before
move-in day and did not have this opportunity, but I would like
to meet my professors ahead of time this semester so that I can
get a feel of who they are and they can understand my blindness.
Thanks,
Vejas

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From jameyanne at gmail.com  Fri Nov 11 04:44:06 2016
From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 23:44:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Expedition in the Grand Canyon- Please share!
In-Reply-To: <CACW0Y_pq54DAe3FxW0WnEfHZ03rddR4gABe-Yp9eA=soyCVRyA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACW0Y_pq54DAe3FxW0WnEfHZ03rddR4gABe-Yp9eA=soyCVRyA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006801d23bd6$3c6dbab0$b5493010$@gmail.com>

I did their first grand canyon expedition back in 2008 (wow I feel old). It
was fabulous. I highly recommend to anyone interested.

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaitlyn Millen
via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 12:10 PM
To: NABS-L at nfbnet.org
Cc: Kaitlyn Millen <kaitlyn.millen at nobarriersusa.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] Expedition in the Grand Canyon- Please share!

Dear NABS,

A Fort Collins, CO non-profit organization, No Barriers, is offering two
exciting open enrollment expeditions in July 2017 and is accepting
applications from any students within the age ranges.

*Leading the Way: Grand Canyon Sound Academy: *
*July 14-25,
2017**http://www.nobarriersusa.org/youth/programs/expeditions/leading-the-wa
y/grand-canyon/
<http://www.nobarriersusa.org/youth/programs/expeditions/leading-the-way/gra
nd-canyon/>*

Cost:  $510 + travel to Phoenix, AZ.  Due to generous funding (a *$3,300
scholarship for each accepted student*) from the National Park Service's
Natural Sound & Night Skies Division (NSNSD), this program has been
significantly reduced from its original price.

Eligible Students: Blind, Visually Impaired and Sighted, Ages 15-19

Early Application Deadline: December 12, 2016
(Preference is given to those who apply by the early deadline):
Final Application Deadline: January 13, 2017


Please contact us at LeadingTheWay at nobarriersusa.org or call us at
970-484-3633 with any questions and share this email with those who may be
interested. If you share this message, please CC LeadingTheWay at nobarriersusa
.org so we can see our reach. If you "like" No Barriers Youth" on Facebook,
you can see our post about this program and share it on social media. You
can also nominate a student here:
*https://nobarriersusa.wufoo.com/forms/leading-the-way-nomination-form-2017/
<https://nobarriersusa.wufoo.com/forms/leading-the-way-nomination-form-2017/
> *

*At No Barriers, we believe that what's within you is stronger than what's
in your way, and we are out to prove it every day through our
transformative journeys that help students discover their potential.
Please contact us for more information if you would like to join our
efforts by supporting a student or school program.*

Thank you for helping to spread the word and we look forward to connecting
with you!

-- 
*KAITLYN MILLEN |*
* Leading the Way Program Specialist *

*http://www.nlcsdproject.org/kaitlyn-millen/
<http://www.nlcsdproject.org/kaitlyn-millen/> *
*Donate today: *http://www.nobarriersusa.org/give-step-1/
224 Canyon Avenue, Suite 207, Fort Collins, CO 80521

OFFICE: 970.484.3633, Extension 322

TOLL FREE: 877.627.1425 FAX: 970.672.1073

www.nobarriersusa.org
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From truewise.8614 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 11 04:45:15 2016
From: truewise.8614 at gmail.com (truewise.88614@gmail.comSong)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 20:45:15 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] BookShare needs Our Help
Message-ID: <C161BE8F-1D06-4107-AF11-89B93702B384@gmail.com>

Hello Folks,

BookShare needs our help. Please write to Congress, urging them to preserve funding for critical tools like BookShare which hundreds of thousands of students, employees, and other people who are blind, visually impaired, have dyslexia, and other print disabilities rely on for school, work, and leisure reading. You may customize your letters to Congress at the following link. http://cqrcengage.com/bookshare/home

From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Fri Nov 11 05:22:31 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 21:22:31 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] BookShare needs Our Help
In-Reply-To: <C161BE8F-1D06-4107-AF11-89B93702B384@gmail.com>
References: <C161BE8F-1D06-4107-AF11-89B93702B384@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1F24674C-3655-4F80-B2BE-0C78867BF6EC@gmail.com>

Hi,
Is Bookshare running low on funds?
I have used them for a long time, and had assumed they were fairly stable.
Vejas 

> On Nov 10, 2016, at 20:45, truewise.88614--- via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Folks,
> 
> BookShare needs our help. Please write to Congress, urging them to preserve funding for critical tools like BookShare which hundreds of thousands of students, employees, and other people who are blind, visually impaired, have dyslexia, and other print disabilities rely on for school, work, and leisure reading. You may customize your letters to Congress at the following link. http://cqrcengage.com/bookshare/home
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From truewise.8614 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 11 05:36:51 2016
From: truewise.8614 at gmail.com (Vanna Song)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 21:36:51 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] BookShare needs Our Help
In-Reply-To: <1F24674C-3655-4F80-B2BE-0C78867BF6EC@gmail.com>
References: <C161BE8F-1D06-4107-AF11-89B93702B384@gmail.com>
	<1F24674C-3655-4F80-B2BE-0C78867BF6EC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOrr3bNxiFhWcoWxXDs9np18SXnLo_42RjDb=khrmfMhrFGfUg@mail.gmail.com>

A ot of their fundig comes from the federal government. If you click
on the link, you can get moer information. We need to get Congress to
maintain funding for this and other programs. Write to your
representative and senators.

On 11/10/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> Is Bookshare running low on funds?
> I have used them for a long time, and had assumed they were fairly stable.
> Vejas
>
>> On Nov 10, 2016, at 20:45, truewise.88614--- via NABS-L
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Folks,
>>
>> BookShare needs our help. Please write to Congress, urging them to
>> preserve funding for critical tools like BookShare which hundreds of
>> thousands of students, employees, and other people who are blind, visually
>> impaired, have dyslexia, and other print disabilities rely on for school,
>> work, and leisure reading. You may customize your letters to Congress at
>> the following link. http://cqrcengage.com/bookshare/home
>> _______________________________________________
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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 11 18:20:31 2016
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 13:20:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] easiest way to convert pdf to word using only BN touch
Message-ID: <58260bf4.87916b0a.1c94a.21dd@mx.google.com>

Hi,
I have a pdf that I need to convert into a word format.
The only device I can use at the moment is my braillenote.
How can I do this quickly and easily for free?
Thanks,

Jessica

From zdreicer at gmail.com  Fri Nov 11 18:30:48 2016
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 12:30:48 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] easiest way to convert pdf to word using only BN touch
In-Reply-To: <58260bf4.87916b0a.1c94a.21dd@mx.google.com>
References: <58260bf4.87916b0a.1c94a.21dd@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <0CECD878-2C52-4DD7-A2BA-074BF447070F@gmail.com>

You could perhaps select all of the text, copy it and then pasted. That would be a question for the braille note user group. Would you like their address?

Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver

> On Nov 11, 2016, at 12:20, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I have a pdf that I need to convert into a word format.
> The only device I can use at the moment is my braillenote.
> How can I do this quickly and easily for free?
> Thanks,
> 
> Jessica
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From lucysirianni at gmail.com  Fri Nov 11 19:04:48 2016
From: lucysirianni at gmail.com (Lucy Sirianni)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 11:04:48 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] easiest way to convert pdf to word using only BN touch
Message-ID: <58261662.c8c9620a.2b602.4f3c@mx.google.com>

Hi Jessica,

I would encourage you to send the file to 
convert at robobraille.com,with "DOC" (minus the quotation marks) as 
the subject line.  You should get the file back as a Word 
document within minutes.

Hope this helps!

Lucy

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 13:20:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] easiest way to convert pdf to word using only 
BN touch

Hi,
I have a pdf that I need to convert into a word format.
The only device I can use at the moment is my braillenote.
How can I do this quickly and easily for free?
Thanks,

Jessica
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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 11 19:48:32 2016
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 14:48:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] easiest way to convert pdf to word using only BN touch
Message-ID: <58262093.1322240a.98f26.2baf@mx.google.com>

Hi,
This site caused my Bn touch to freeze, and I never received the email.
What can I do?
Thanks
Jessica

On Nov 11, 2016 2:04 PM, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Jessica, 
>
> I would encourage you to send the file to 
> convert at robobraille.com,with "DOC" (minus the quotation marks) as 
> the subject line.  You should get the file back as a Word 
> document within minutes. 
>
> Hope this helps! 
>
> Lucy 
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
> Date sent: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 13:20:31 -0500 
> Subject: [nabs-l] easiest way to convert pdf to word using only 
> BN touch 
>
> Hi, 
> I have a pdf that I need to convert into a word format. 
> The only device I can use at the moment is my braillenote. 
> How can I do this quickly and easily for free? 
> Thanks, 
>
> Jessica 
> _______________________________________________ 
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From lucysirianni at gmail.com  Fri Nov 11 20:27:23 2016
From: lucysirianni at gmail.com (Lucy Sirianni)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 12:27:23 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] easiest way to convert pdf to word using only BN touch
Message-ID: <582629bd.2106420a.4710b.c788@mx.google.com>

Hi=20Jessica,

This=20isn't=20a=20website=20but=20an=20email=20address=20to=20which=20you=
=20n"ed=20to=20
send=20the=20file=20as=20an=20attachment.=20=20Did=20you=20try=20this?

Lucy

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Jessica=20Dail=20via=20NABS-L=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20Lucy=20Sirianni=20via=20NABS-L=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Fri,=2011=20Nov=202016=2014:48:32=20-0500
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20easiest=20way=20to=20convert=20pdf=20to=20word=
=20using=20
only=20BN=20touch

Hi,
This=20site=20caused=20my=20Bn=20touch=20to=20freeze,=20and=20I=20never=20r=
eceived=20the=20
email.
What=20can=20I=20do?
Thanks
Jessica

On=20Nov=2011,=202016=202:04=20PM,=20Lucy=20Sirianni=20via=20NABS-L=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:

=20Hi=20Jessica,

=20I=20would=20encourage=20you=20to=20send=20the=20file=20to
=20convert at robobraille.com,with=20"DOC"=20(minus=20the=20quotation=20marks)=
=20
as
=20the=20subject=20line.=C2=A0=20You=20should=20get=20the=20file=20back=20a=
s=20a=20Word
=20document=20within=20minutes.

=20Hope=20this=20helps!

=20Lucy

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20From:=20Jessica=20Dail=20via=20NABS-L=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20To:=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Date=20sent:=20Fri,=2011=20Nov=202016=2013:20:31=20-0500
=20Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20easiest=20way=20to=20convert=20pdf=20to=20word=20u=
sing=20only
=20BN=20touch

=20Hi,
=20I=20have=20a=20pdf=20that=20I=20need=20to=20convert=20into=20a=20word=20=
format.
=20The=20only=20device=20I=20can=20use=20at=20the=20moment=20is=20my=20brai=
llenote.
=20How=20can=20I=20do=20this=20quickly=20and=20easily=20for=20free?
=20Thanks,

=20Jessica
=20_______________________________________________
=20NABS-L=20mailing=20list
=20NABS-L at nfbnet.org
=20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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ccount=20
info
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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 11 20:34:23 2016
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 15:34:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] easiest way to convert pdf to word using only BN touch
Message-ID: <58262b52.d169240a.5e147.2fb5@mx.google.com>

Hi,
yes, I did.
I put DOCX in the subject because that's the format I need.
Thanks,
Jessica

On Nov 11, 2016 3:27 PM, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Jessica, 
>
> This isn't a website but an email address to which you n"ed to 
> send the file as an attachment.  Did you try this? 
>
> Lucy 
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
> To: Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
> Date sent: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 14:48:32 -0500 
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] easiest way to convert pdf to word using 
> only BN touch 
>
> Hi, 
> This site caused my Bn touch to freeze, and I never received the 
> email. 
> What can I do? 
> Thanks 
> Jessica 
>
> On Nov 11, 2016 2:04 PM, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: 
>
> Hi Jessica, 
>
> I would encourage you to send the file to 
> convert at robobraille.com,with "DOC" (minus the quotation marks) 
> as 
> the subject line.혻 You should get the file back as a Word 
> document within minutes. 
>
> Hope this helps! 
>
> Lucy 
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
> Date sent: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 13:20:31 -0500 
> Subject: [nabs-l] easiest way to convert pdf to word using only 
> BN touch 
>
> Hi, 
> I have a pdf that I need to convert into a word format. 
> The only device I can use at the moment is my braillenote. 
> How can I do this quickly and easily for free? 
> Thanks, 
>
> Jessica 
> _______________________________________________ 
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From lucysirianni at gmail.com  Fri Nov 11 20:36:53 2016
From: lucysirianni at gmail.com (Lucy Sirianni)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 12:36:53 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] easiest way to convert pdf to word using only BN touch
Message-ID: <58262bf7.4657420a.bcc0c.f1f8@mx.google.com>

Hi=20Jessica,

I'm=20sorry=20it=20didn't=20work.=20=20I'm=20not=20sure=20what=20to=20sugge=
st=20besides=20
perhaps=20asking=20on=20the=20BrailleNote=20users=20listserv=20or=20in=20th=
e=20
associated=20Facebook=20group.=20=20Let=20me=20know=20if=20you=20need=20inf=
ormation=20
on=20how=20to=20find=20either=20or=20both=20resources.

Lucy

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Jessica=20Dail=20via=20NABS-L=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20Lucy=20Sirianni=20via=20NABS-L=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Fri,=2011=20Nov=202016=2015:34:23=20-0500
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20easiest=20way=20to=20convert=20pdf=20to=20word=
=20using=20
only=20BN=20touch

Hi,
yes,=20I=20did.
I=20put=20DOCX=20in=20the=20subject=20because=20that's=20the=20format=20I=20=
need.
Thanks,
Jessica

On=20Nov=2011,=202016=203:27=20PM,=20Lucy=20Sirianni=20via=20NABS-L=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:

=20Hi=20Jessica,

=20This=20isn't=20a=20website=20but=20an=20email=20address=20to=20which=20y=
ou=20n"ed=20to
=20send=20the=20file=20as=20an=20attachment.=C2=A0=20Did=20you=20try=20this=
?

=20Lucy

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20From:=20Jessica=20Dail=20via=20NABS-L=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20To:=20Lucy=20Sirianni=20via=20NABS-L=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Date=20sent:=20Fri,=2011=20Nov=202016=2014:48:32=20-0500
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20easiest=20way=20to=20convert=20pdf=20to=20wo=
rd=20using
=20only=20BN=20touch

=20Hi,
=20This=20site=20caused=20my=20Bn=20touch=20to=20freeze,=20and=20I=20never=
=20received=20the
=20email.
=20What=20can=20I=20do?
=20Thanks
=20Jessica

=20On=20Nov=2011,=202016=202:04=20PM,=20Lucy=20Sirianni=20via=20NABS-L
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:

=20Hi=20Jessica,

=20I=20would=20encourage=20you=20to=20send=20the=20file=20to
=20convert at robobraille.com,with=20"DOC"=20(minus=20the=20quotation=20marks)=

=20as
=20the=20subject=20line.=ED=98=BB=20You=20should=20get=20the=20file=20back=
=20as=20a=20Word
=20document=20within=20minutes.

=20Hope=20this=20helps!

=20Lucy

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20From:=20Jessica=20Dail=20via=20NABS-L=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20To:=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Date=20sent:=20Fri,=2011=20Nov=202016=2013:20:31=20-0500
=20Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20easiest=20way=20to=20convert=20pdf=20to=20word=20u=
sing=20only
=20BN=20touch

=20Hi,
=20I=20have=20a=20pdf=20that=20I=20need=20to=20convert=20into=20a=20word=20=
format.
=20The=20only=20device=20I=20can=20use=20at=20the=20moment=20is=20my=20brai=
llenote.
=20How=20can=20I=20do=20this=20quickly=20and=20easily=20for=20free?
=20Thanks,

=20Jessica
=20_______________________________________________
=20NABS-L=20mailing=20list
=20NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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From misokwak12 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 11 22:35:07 2016
From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 14:35:07 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Having a Problem with MS Word 2013 and JAWS 16
Message-ID: <CAMe9x_FkTzfgPHeZTnfGjz8Y+E5sXFJiZFAPrBYtdWzE5=+r2A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
I had to recently uninstall and reinstall JAWS 16, which I am running
on Windows 8.1 PC.
Ever since the reinstallation, when I go to MS word in a multipage
document and navigate using control page up and control page down, it
would read page 2 page 3 etc but it would read the line on which the
cursor was originally. For instance, let's say that page 1 first line
says Hello and Page 2 first line says how are you. When I have my
cursor on the line Hello and press control page down it still reads
Hello instead of How are you. But when I move up and down key it shows
me that my cursor has moved to the top of second page. Is there any
way I can fix this so that JAWS would read me the first line of each
page when I navigate with ctrl page up and down?
So far I tried repairing the Office 2013 and called Freedom Scientific
to delete a file called word.jfc from my JAWS folder... but neither
worked.
Thanks in advance.
Miso Kwak

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From awildheir at gmail.com  Sat Nov 12 03:02:35 2016
From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 22:02:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Law School's Power Over Readers for Outside of Class Work
 Paid for by the state
Message-ID: <AE6D3B96-06AC-4C78-A6DB-EA5EAFF709F4@gmail.com>

Greetings everyone,

I am getting a reader who is paid by the state.  This reader will perform reading of any material for school purposes that I need them to read.  They will also proof any assignments before I hand them in.  I will use them during research to help locate something on the screen that is hard to locate it is too time consuming to navigate to just to get that one bit of info. Basically the individual will assist with anything vision related.  

My school assigns a judicial opinion the first semester of the 1L year. All graded assignments have restrictions on students getting outside assistance. We are not allowed to let anyone see our work or assist us in any way regarding the assignment including research. If a student violates any of the restrictions, they violate the honor code.

Now that you have the basic situation, can the school penalize me for using a reader to assist me in any visual aspect of the assignment? If I use the reader to verify the formatting or point out any issues they see that I may have missed because I didn't see it?  What about penalizing me for using the reader to assist in research to find what I ask them to find  or highlight what I ask them to highlight? Basically, can they penalize me for the reader performing non-essential tasks on graded assignments?  How much control does the school have over the person paid by the state to assist with outside of class activities as long as I am the one doing the legal work?



Aimee

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From awildheir at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 17:37:16 2016
From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 12:37:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] K1000 What the heck just happened?
Message-ID: <B5AF3922-619B-44BE-AA54-CD652E6D7EAD@gmail.com>

Hello guys, 

I hope it is a beautiful day where you are.   It is quite nice here where I am.  So... I have experienced something rather strange while working in K1000 today.  I don't know exactly what key's I hit but for some reason, my file reverted back to the last saved state.  It is a document I created in K1000 and saved as a Word 97 doc.  Am I out of luck or is there something I can do to recover my work? I have tried undo and the normal windows command for redo but nothing has worked.  I have not -see K1000 extensively since 2003.  Quite a lot has changed.  Does anyone have any ideas what ,happened and how I can fix it?  Any help would be greatly appreciated. 

Aimee

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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 21:30:31 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 16:30:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] K1000 What the heck just happened?
In-Reply-To: <B5AF3922-619B-44BE-AA54-CD652E6D7EAD@gmail.com>
References: <B5AF3922-619B-44BE-AA54-CD652E6D7EAD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <028c01d23df5$2a2c8bd0$7e85a370$@gmail.com>

Maybe a system restore; I'm not sure if that works, but I'd try it.
 Justin

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Cc: Aimee Harwood <awildheir at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] K1000 What the heck just happened?

Hello guys, 

I hope it is a beautiful day where you are.   It is quite nice here where I
am.  So... I have experienced something rather strange while working in
K1000 today.  I don't know exactly what key's I hit but for some reason, my
file reverted back to the last saved state.  It is a document I created in
K1000 and saved as a Word 97 doc.  Am I out of luck or is there something I
can do to recover my work? I have tried undo and the normal windows command
for redo but nothing has worked.  I have not -see K1000 extensively since
2003.  Quite a lot has changed.  Does anyone have any ideas what ,happened
and how I can fix it?  Any help would be greatly appreciated. 

Aimee

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From awildheir at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 22:57:47 2016
From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 17:57:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] K1000 What the heck just happened?
In-Reply-To: <028c01d23df5$2a2c8bd0$7e85a370$@gmail.com>
References: <B5AF3922-619B-44BE-AA54-CD652E6D7EAD@gmail.com>
	<028c01d23df5$2a2c8bd0$7e85a370$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2C090477-7C8B-4A3C-8482-67C6DBF1350F@gmail.com>

Hello Justin,

I don't think it was that big of a deal. System restore seems like one of the last things I would want to do.

Aimee

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 13, 2016, at 4:30 PM, Justin Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Maybe a system restore; I'm not sure if that works, but I'd try it.
> Justin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> via NABS-L
> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 12:37 PM
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> Cc: Aimee Harwood <awildheir at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] K1000 What the heck just happened?
> 
> Hello guys, 
> 
> I hope it is a beautiful day where you are.   It is quite nice here where I
> am.  So... I have experienced something rather strange while working in
> K1000 today.  I don't know exactly what key's I hit but for some reason, my
> file reverted back to the last saved state.  It is a document I created in
> K1000 and saved as a Word 97 doc.  Am I out of luck or is there something I
> can do to recover my work? I have tried undo and the normal windows command
> for redo but nothing has worked.  I have not -see K1000 extensively since
> 2003.  Quite a lot has changed.  Does anyone have any ideas what ,happened
> and how I can fix it?  Any help would be greatly appreciated. 
> 
> Aimee
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 02:35:54 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:35:54 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Transcriber
Message-ID: <58292315.dd90620a.d4489.6465@mx.google.com>

Hi All,
I was wondering about the policy regarding Braille transcribers 
in a college setting.
I have had most of my material given to me electronically, but 
next semester I will take math and will need Brailled tests.
I have a Braille transcriber in mind whom I know and I feel would 
do the job well.  I understand that she will have to be paid.
I am guessing that it is mine, as opposed to the school's, 
responsibility to pay for her?
Would the Department of Rehab cover it?
Thanks,
Vejas


From martinezana770 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 02:38:43 2016
From: martinezana770 at gmail.com (Ana Martinez)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:38:43 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] questions about fitting in.
Message-ID: <7D21BDB8-2B55-45C1-8874-4B97B15E4296@gmail.com>

hey guys, hope everyone had a good weekend. I have a question and I'm not sure if it's OK to ask it in here, so in my church there is a youth group for college age students. I've been involved with it for the last 2 months, I've done some social activities with the group and I go to mass with them every Sunday. for some reason I feel that I don't belong there though, nobody talks to me unless I talk to them first. and whenever I try to join a conversation everyone gets quiet and I feel that they are stareing at me, has any of you had this experience? how can I fix this? thanks☺️

Sent from my iPhone

From aloshamoorenfb at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 04:36:01 2016
From: aloshamoorenfb at gmail.com (Alosha Moore)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 22:36:01 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] questions about fitting in.
In-Reply-To: <7D21BDB8-2B55-45C1-8874-4B97B15E4296@gmail.com>
References: <7D21BDB8-2B55-45C1-8874-4B97B15E4296@gmail.com>
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Good evening Ana:
I'm sorry to hear of your struggle, but if it's any consolation, many people struggle with this, blind or not. My suggestion is to look for additional ways to get involved and get better acquainted with the  group. I don't believe they seriously intend to make you feel unwelcome, but simply aren't aware that interaction with blind folks is no different than with anyone else. You might consider using humor to ask why everyone looks at you as if you're in a zoo when you speak, to open dialogue on the subject. The important thing is not to get discouraged or stop trying. It will get better.
Best wishes, Alosha.   

J.D. Candidate Class of 2017
> Washburn School of Law
> daniel.moore at washburn.edu (316)312-3454
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> On Nov 13, 2016, at 8:38 PM, Ana Martinez via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> hey guys, hope everyone had a good weekend. I have a question and I'm not sure if it's OK to ask it in here, so in my church there is a youth group for college age students. I've been involved with it for the last 2 months, I've done some social activities with the group and I go to mass with them every Sunday. for some reason I feel that I don't belong there though, nobody talks to me unless I talk to them first. and whenever I try to join a conversation everyone gets quiet and I feel that they are stareing at me, has any of you had this experience? how can I fix this? thanks☺️
> 
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From misokwak12 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 04:57:42 2016
From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:57:42 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Transcriber
In-Reply-To: <58292315.dd90620a.d4489.6465@mx.google.com>
References: <58292315.dd90620a.d4489.6465@mx.google.com>
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Vejas,
I don't know the fine details of the law or policies here but I would
suggest that you talk to disability services on your campus. Tell
him/her why you think Braille transcriber would be helpful and
necessary for taking mathematics course. Also suggest the transcriber
you have in mind.
Contact the transcriber before you have this meeting and ask how
he/she usually handles this type of situation. I had a music Braille
transcriber that I wanted to get service from and she and my
university's disability service staff handled the matter.
In my case, there was initially some disagreement on hiring this
particular person but after a few negotiating talk between me, the
center for accessible education director, and the transcriber, we were
able to figure it out.

I personally don't think you have to pay for the transcriber because
you are taking a math course offered by your university and it is your
school's responsibility to provide your classroom materials in an
accessible format that works for you.

Best,
Miso Kwak

On 11/13/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi All,
> I was wondering about the policy regarding Braille transcribers
> in a college setting.
> I have had most of my material given to me electronically, but
> next semester I will take math and will need Brailled tests.
> I have a Braille transcriber in mind whom I know and I feel would
> do the job well.  I understand that she will have to be paid.
> I am guessing that it is mine, as opposed to the school's,
> responsibility to pay for her?
> Would the Department of Rehab cover it?
> Thanks,
> Vejas
>
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Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
(909) 660-1897


From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 05:44:11 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 00:44:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Transcriber
Message-ID: <58294f38.d164370a.ea305.4ae9@mx.google.com>

It's the school's responsibility to provide your tests in an 
accessible format.  That means it's their job to provide the 
tests in Braille if you have that as an accommodation, though 
they'll probably want you to work with a reader instead since 
your instructor won't be able to read your answers in Braille.  
You probably won't be able to choose who does the transcribing, 
if they provide that as an accommodation, though if they don't 
have a regular transcriber they would probably appreciate you 
suggesting someone.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:35:54 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Transcriber

Hi All,
I was wondering about the policy regarding Braille transcribers
in a college setting.
I have had most of my material given to me electronically, but
next semester I will take math and will need Brailled tests.
I have a Braille transcriber in mind whom I know and I feel would
do the job well.  I understand that she will have to be paid.
I am guessing that it is mine, as opposed to the school's,
responsibility to pay for her?
Would the Department of Rehab cover it?
Thanks,
Vejas

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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 05:52:29 2016
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 22:52:29 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] questions about fitting in.
In-Reply-To: <6090C444-6B6D-4AD5-9829-2A45B985C79D@gmail.com>
References: <7D21BDB8-2B55-45C1-8874-4B97B15E4296@gmail.com>
	<6090C444-6B6D-4AD5-9829-2A45B985C79D@gmail.com>
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Hey lovely,

So it seems that these people have not interacted much, if ever, with blind people.  Unfortunately, it has become your task to make them comfortable with you being blind. I wonder if there is some way you can casually educate these people, making them more curious and more comfortable.  For example, if you guys are having a discussion about something in the youth group, you could throw something in there about how you as a blind person do something that's relevant.  Or if some event is being planned, offer a new idea that you will take charge of.  Or you could have a game night or something fun that you set up and ask people if they would come.  As we all know, you are a delightful young lady with a wonderful and warm personality.  So I am sure if you can get there attention and show them something, they'll come around.  Maybe you could even invite some of them to volunteer at the center or something?  I don't know.  But I am just thinking, get them more comfortable with blind people.  
If all else fails, you can always go elsewhere.  Some church congregations just aren't super welcoming to anyone....
Let us know how it goes.
You are not the only one who struggles with this.

Thank you for reaching out here to talk about this issue.

Hope others will give their input.

See you soon! :)

Anna E Givens

> On Nov 13, 2016, at 9:36 PM, Alosha Moore via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good evening Ana:
> I'm sorry to hear of your struggle, but if it's any consolation, many people struggle with this, blind or not. My suggestion is to look for additional ways to get involved and get better acquainted with the  group. I don't believe they seriously intend to make you feel unwelcome, but simply aren't aware that interaction with blind folks is no different than with anyone else. You might consider using humor to ask why everyone looks at you as if you're in a zoo when you speak, to open dialogue on the subject. The important thing is not to get discouraged or stop trying. It will get better.
> Best wishes, Alosha.   
> 
> J.D. Candidate Class of 2017
>> Washburn School of Law
>> daniel.moore at washburn.edu (316)312-3454
>> Pro Bono Association President
>> International Law Society Vice President
>> Intellectual Property Law Society Secretary
>> Business Law Society Treasurer
>> This e-mail message, including any attachments, is confidential, intended only for the recipient(s) named above and may contain information that is privileged,
>> attorney work product or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this message in error, or are not the named recipient(s), please
>> immediately notify the sender by return e-mail or by calling 316-312-3454, and delete this message from your computer. Thank you. 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 13, 2016, at 8:38 PM, Ana Martinez via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> hey guys, hope everyone had a good weekend. I have a question and I'm not sure if it's OK to ask it in here, so in my church there is a youth group for college age students. I've been involved with it for the last 2 months, I've done some social activities with the group and I go to mass with them every Sunday. for some reason I feel that I don't belong there though, nobody talks to me unless I talk to them first. and whenever I try to join a conversation everyone gets quiet and I feel that they are stareing at me, has any of you had this experience? how can I fix this? thanks☺️
>> 
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 06:28:31 2016
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 01:28:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Transcriber
In-Reply-To: <58294f38.d164370a.ea305.4ae9@mx.google.com>
References: <58294f38.d164370a.ea305.4ae9@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <B9505E62-0278-4C46-B96A-06F269EB70FA@gmail.com>

Hi Vejas. How are  you? I have a suggestion for you, if you are taking math next semester, ask your professor if you can take your exams with him or her at his or her office hours? The reason I'm suggesting that  is because I took Math before,like Pre-calculus, College algebra and so on. I took my exams  with  my Professor's office. Or maybe student assistant who know math can write your test answers for you.  I really  don't like to take a math test with people who haven't  t taking a math course or that  specific course  to write my answers for me.  The reason of that  is because i don't feel they are writing my answers as the Professor wants though. Hope these suggestions help. I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless 

  Helga Schreiber 
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> On Nov 14, 2016, at 12:44 AM, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> It's the school's responsibility to provide your tests in an accessible format.  That means it's their job to provide the tests in Braille if you have that as an accommodation, though they'll probably want you to work with a reader instead since your instructor won't be able to read your answers in Braille.  You probably won't be able to choose who does the transcribing, if they provide that as an accommodation, though if they don't have a regular transcriber they would probably appreciate you suggesting someone.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:35:54 -0800
> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Transcriber
> 
> Hi All,
> I was wondering about the policy regarding Braille transcribers
> in a college setting.
> I have had most of my material given to me electronically, but
> next semester I will take math and will need Brailled tests.
> I have a Braille transcriber in mind whom I know and I feel would
> do the job well.  I understand that she will have to be paid.
> I am guessing that it is mine, as opposed to the school's,
> responsibility to pay for her?
> Would the Department of Rehab cover it?
> Thanks,
> Vejas
> 
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From kskristen at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 15:35:43 2016
From: kskristen at gmail.com (Kristen Steele)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:35:43 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] questions about fitting in.
In-Reply-To: <CDBE7617-A454-4B9B-8818-039F8BF3877D@gmail.com>
References: <7D21BDB8-2B55-45C1-8874-4B97B15E4296@gmail.com>
	<6090C444-6B6D-4AD5-9829-2A45B985C79D@gmail.com>
	<CDBE7617-A454-4B9B-8818-039F8BF3877D@gmail.com>
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Hi, Ana--

So sorry to hear this, but I had a lot of the same experiences with a
church group when I was in middle school. It's kind of ironic that a
church youth group would be so cliquey. They only guided and talked to
me when my mom was around; otherwise, the other girls would whisper
and forget I was even there.

Hang in there, though, because true friends will come, those who will
love and accept you for who you are. Are there any other visually
impaired people around your age near you? Sometimes, those are the
friends who are easiest to connect with.

Best of luck, and let us know what happens!
--
Kristen

On 11/13/16, Anna Givens via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hey lovely,
>
> So it seems that these people have not interacted much, if ever, with blind
> people.  Unfortunately, it has become your task to make them comfortable
> with you being blind. I wonder if there is some way you can casually educate
> these people, making them more curious and more comfortable.  For example,
> if you guys are having a discussion about something in the youth group, you
> could throw something in there about how you as a blind person do something
> that's relevant.  Or if some event is being planned, offer a new idea that
> you will take charge of.  Or you could have a game night or something fun
> that you set up and ask people if they would come.  As we all know, you are
> a delightful young lady with a wonderful and warm personality.  So I am sure
> if you can get there attention and show them something, they'll come around.
>  Maybe you could even invite some of them to volunteer at the center or
> something?  I don't know.  But I am just thinking, get them more comfortable
> with blind people.
> If all else fails, you can always go elsewhere.  Some church congregations
> just aren't super welcoming to anyone....
> Let us know how it goes.
> You are not the only one who struggles with this.
>
> Thank you for reaching out here to talk about this issue.
>
> Hope others will give their input.
>
> See you soon! :)
>
> Anna E Givens
>
>> On Nov 13, 2016, at 9:36 PM, Alosha Moore via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Good evening Ana:
>> I'm sorry to hear of your struggle, but if it's any consolation, many
>> people struggle with this, blind or not. My suggestion is to look for
>> additional ways to get involved and get better acquainted with the  group.
>> I don't believe they seriously intend to make you feel unwelcome, but
>> simply aren't aware that interaction with blind folks is no different than
>> with anyone else. You might consider using humor to ask why everyone looks
>> at you as if you're in a zoo when you speak, to open dialogue on the
>> subject. The important thing is not to get discouraged or stop trying. It
>> will get better.
>> Best wishes, Alosha.
>>
>> J.D. Candidate Class of 2017
>>> Washburn School of Law
>>> daniel.moore at washburn.edu (316)312-3454
>>> Pro Bono Association President
>>> International Law Society Vice President
>>> Intellectual Property Law Society Secretary
>>> Business Law Society Treasurer
>>> This e-mail message, including any attachments, is confidential, intended
>>> only for the recipient(s) named above and may contain information that is
>>> privileged,
>>> attorney work product or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If
>>> you have received this message in error, or are not the named
>>> recipient(s), please
>>> immediately notify the sender by return e-mail or by calling
>>> 316-312-3454, and delete this message from your computer. Thank you.
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 13, 2016, at 8:38 PM, Ana Martinez via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> hey guys, hope everyone had a good weekend. I have a question and I'm not
>>> sure if it's OK to ask it in here, so in my church there is a youth group
>>> for college age students. I've been involved with it for the last 2
>>> months, I've done some social activities with the group and I go to mass
>>> with them every Sunday. for some reason I feel that I don't belong there
>>> though, nobody talks to me unless I talk to them first. and whenever I
>>> try to join a conversation everyone gets quiet and I feel that they are
>>> stareing at me, has any of you had this experience? how can I fix this?
>>> thanks☺️
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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>>> NABS-L:
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>>
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>
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From rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 17:13:50 2016
From: rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com (andrew edgcumbe)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:13:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] questions about fitting in.
In-Reply-To: <CAD6Dm-2zAs8uYbCECsFpZfvVzbD5F7yGw4Odk3oC_ijUUX_guw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7D21BDB8-2B55-45C1-8874-4B97B15E4296@gmail.com>
	<6090C444-6B6D-4AD5-9829-2A45B985C79D@gmail.com>
	<CDBE7617-A454-4B9B-8818-039F8BF3877D@gmail.com>
	<CAD6Dm-2zAs8uYbCECsFpZfvVzbD5F7yGw4Odk3oC_ijUUX_guw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGcQ9RbCKFa2-sNdsdC2-_Xbc7625cwkCJwa5HyJTJsXrX3pSQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Onna I have had the similar things happen to me sometimes it has gone to
the point where I couldn't even help out even though I asked and stuff like
that. even now days it is very hard to find young people to interact with
myself even at least find true friends. I  have had difficaulty even
fitting in. Are you going there independently like do you have or use your
cane for example. Have you had the same struggles when it comes to games
even? as I had trouble fitting into atcive games if it involves running or
things like that. this was a high school age youth group.

On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Kristen Steele via NABS-L <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi, Ana--
>
> So sorry to hear this, but I had a lot of the same experiences with a
> church group when I was in middle school. It's kind of ironic that a
> church youth group would be so cliquey. They only guided and talked to
> me when my mom was around; otherwise, the other girls would whisper
> and forget I was even there.
>
> Hang in there, though, because true friends will come, those who will
> love and accept you for who you are. Are there any other visually
> impaired people around your age near you? Sometimes, those are the
> friends who are easiest to connect with.
>
> Best of luck, and let us know what happens!
> --
> Kristen
>
> On 11/13/16, Anna Givens via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Hey lovely,
> >
> > So it seems that these people have not interacted much, if ever, with
> blind
> > people.  Unfortunately, it has become your task to make them comfortable
> > with you being blind. I wonder if there is some way you can casually
> educate
> > these people, making them more curious and more comfortable.  For
> example,
> > if you guys are having a discussion about something in the youth group,
> you
> > could throw something in there about how you as a blind person do
> something
> > that's relevant.  Or if some event is being planned, offer a new idea
> that
> > you will take charge of.  Or you could have a game night or something fun
> > that you set up and ask people if they would come.  As we all know, you
> are
> > a delightful young lady with a wonderful and warm personality.  So I am
> sure
> > if you can get there attention and show them something, they'll come
> around.
> >  Maybe you could even invite some of them to volunteer at the center or
> > something?  I don't know.  But I am just thinking, get them more
> comfortable
> > with blind people.
> > If all else fails, you can always go elsewhere.  Some church
> congregations
> > just aren't super welcoming to anyone....
> > Let us know how it goes.
> > You are not the only one who struggles with this.
> >
> > Thank you for reaching out here to talk about this issue.
> >
> > Hope others will give their input.
> >
> > See you soon! :)
> >
> > Anna E Givens
> >
> >> On Nov 13, 2016, at 9:36 PM, Alosha Moore via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Good evening Ana:
> >> I'm sorry to hear of your struggle, but if it's any consolation, many
> >> people struggle with this, blind or not. My suggestion is to look for
> >> additional ways to get involved and get better acquainted with the
> group.
> >> I don't believe they seriously intend to make you feel unwelcome, but
> >> simply aren't aware that interaction with blind folks is no different
> than
> >> with anyone else. You might consider using humor to ask why everyone
> looks
> >> at you as if you're in a zoo when you speak, to open dialogue on the
> >> subject. The important thing is not to get discouraged or stop trying.
> It
> >> will get better.
> >> Best wishes, Alosha.
> >>
> >> J.D. Candidate Class of 2017
> >>> Washburn School of Law
> >>> daniel.moore at washburn.edu (316)312-3454
> >>> Pro Bono Association President
> >>> International Law Society Vice President
> >>> Intellectual Property Law Society Secretary
> >>> Business Law Society Treasurer
> >>> This e-mail message, including any attachments, is confidential,
> intended
> >>> only for the recipient(s) named above and may contain information that
> is
> >>> privileged,
> >>> attorney work product or exempt from disclosure under applicable law.
> If
> >>> you have received this message in error, or are not the named
> >>> recipient(s), please
> >>> immediately notify the sender by return e-mail or by calling
> >>> 316-312-3454, and delete this message from your computer. Thank you.
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Nov 13, 2016, at 8:38 PM, Ana Martinez via NABS-L <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> hey guys, hope everyone had a good weekend. I have a question and I'm
> not
> >>> sure if it's OK to ask it in here, so in my church there is a youth
> group
> >>> for college age students. I've been involved with it for the last 2
> >>> months, I've done some social activities with the group and I go to
> mass
> >>> with them every Sunday. for some reason I feel that I don't belong
> there
> >>> though, nobody talks to me unless I talk to them first. and whenever I
> >>> try to join a conversation everyone gets quiet and I feel that they are
> >>> stareing at me, has any of you had this experience? how can I fix this?
> >>> thanks☺️
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> NABS-L mailing list
> >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> >>> NABS-L:
> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/
> aloshamoorenfb%40gmail.com
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> annajee82%40gmail.com
> >
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> kskristen%40gmail.com
> >
>
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From wdg31415 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 17:27:47 2016
From: wdg31415 at gmail.com (William Grussenmeyer)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:27:47 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] evaluating the accessibility of the interview process
Message-ID: <CADw-9YkkrpDbgb9GDY8QA7yQxFU2jUXva5Vfko59zyopZwKFVQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

We, researchers at the University of Nevada, Reno, are looking for
people who are blind and visually impaired for an interview study
about your accessibility experiences with the job search and interview
process.  This study is intended to help develop guidelines for
employers to make their recruitment and interview processes more
accessible to people who are blind and visually impaired.  We are
looking for people who are over the age of 18, live in the U.S., and
have past or recent job search experience in the U.S. including
searching for part-time, internships and other types of work.

If you are interested in being interviewed, please read the attached
informed consent script carefully. If you are willing to participate,
please send an email to William Grussenmeyer (wdg31415 at gmail.com). By
emailing us, you acknowledge that you have read the informed consent
script and decided that you will participate in the study described
above. Its general purposes, the particulars of involvement and
possible risks have been explained to your satisfaction.  And you
understand you can withdraw at any time.

 Thank You and we look forward to hearing from you.
Sincerely
William Grussenmeyer
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From filerime at gmail.com  Tue Nov 15 03:11:19 2016
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 22:11:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] New member introduction
In-Reply-To: <58208b3f.45e40d0a.7c1c6.130f@mx.google.com>
References: <58208b3f.45e40d0a.7c1c6.130f@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAMtP_9dhXH+rHT8dGGicChaWCTWrTGDHriTLJ_LyabTiawNagA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Suman,
I am also an international Ph.D. student.
Nice to hear from you.
I have very hard times to get my books in accessible format.
I took an advance stats course, and during the first 8 weeks I was not
able to get even a single table as accessible.
I sometimes think that DSO's take advantage of us being international.

2016-11-07 9:08 GMT-05:00, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> Hi Suman welcome to the list.  My name is Roanna Bacchus.  I am
> working toward the completion of my Bachelor's degree in
> Interdisciplinary Studies at UCF.  My two areas of concentration
> are Arts and Humanities and Behavioral and Social Sciences.  My
> minor is in Mass Communications.  I hope you enjoy your time
> here.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NABS-L:
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From nelsonsam68 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 15 03:23:24 2016
From: nelsonsam68 at gmail.com (Sam Nelson)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 21:23:24 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Wanting to share blind ASL users e-mail group
Message-ID: <024101d23eef$a041d320$e0c57960$@gmail.com>

Hi everyone, 

 I hope this is ok to post. Would really like as many people to join as
possible especially deaf/blind but really anyone curious about signing as a
blind person 

  Here's the official description 

 Hello 

 This group is for anyone who is learning or wants to learn about using asl
as a blind person. It will hopefully be a safe place for discussions about
the complex and unique  language we use (protactile, back tile ) , as well
as a supportive place to discuss issues around not only learning but
interacting with others. Victories and hard  times  alike can be shared.
Hoping for a wide  variety of  blind  and deafblind ASL users as well as
caring supportive deaf or hearing sighted   allies. 

Post: blind-ASL-users at groups.io

Subscribe: blind-ASL-users+subscribe at groups.io

Unsubscribe: blind-ASL-users+unsubscribe at groups.io

Please share with anyone interested. 

 

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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Wed Nov 16 04:48:00 2016
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster, NABS President)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 23:48:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] The 2017 Washington Seminar Student Funding Application is
 now live!
Message-ID: <017701d23fc4$9c273200$d4759600$@gmail.com>

Fellow blind students,

 

                I am happy to announce that President Riccobono and the
National Association of Blind Students, a proud division of the national
Federation of the Blind, are partnering to bring as many students as
possible to the 2017 Washington Seminar. This will be the second consecutive
year implementing this program, with the same goal in mind: we need blind
students representing the National Federation of the Blind on Capitol Hill
this January!

 

It is our hope that students seek funding sources from local chapters,
affiliates, and, of course, put in some personal finances, to offset the
cost of attendance. We are here to provide some additional, yet necessary,
funding resources to students who are highly interested in attending but may
not have the financial ability. I very much encourage any blind student to
apply, whether you are a new Federationist or a veteran family member.
Please do spread this application far and wide!

 

To apply, follow the below link:

 
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_a_wfu.
edu_forms_d_e_1FAIpQLSf5Y8yw5JW1jjFJ1bBo22pIi-2Du1mf97i4lQNYCQONiiR9490g_vie
wform-3Fc-3D0-26w-3D1&d=CwMFAg&c=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU
&r=5dCABYJ5CxvQOBhyYB2Rbvx93pYuHZ0o8bUuY2oCLno&m=Hq7EAQFWpGdbZB-DHDatKaVH8N7
UTHE0eWNDwPADPiM&s=VWbV3BTvizZbUzq1xwyVQNkSE8rT-q2HfiIL-aIqtCo&e=>
https://docs.google.com/a/wfu.edu/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf5Y8yw5JW1jjFJ1bBo22pIi-
u1mf97i4lQNYCQONiiR9490g/viewform?c=0&w=1

 

Some important pieces to keep in mind:

1.       Applications are open from November 15 through December 2. No late
submissions will be accepted, under any circumstances.

2.       I suggest reviewing the application sooner than later since there
is a requirement to submit two names as references.

3.       Decisions will be made by mid-December.

4.       Please seek out additional funding sources, since this program is
meant to help cover, not fully cover the cost of attendance.

5.       Washington Seminar takes place from January 30 through February 2.
All students are required to be present from Monday morning through
Wednesday evening if you are selected to receive funding.

 

With one of our big initiatives focusing on equal access to education, it is
critical that we have a strong and passionate student voice present in DC.
This is an overwhelmingly incredible opportunity to get some leadership and
legislative experience, interact with significant figures in our movement
and in Congress, and an opportunity to push for changes that directly impact
each and every one of us. I encourage all students to join us in January;
and we are here to make sure that happens.

 

Please do not hesitate to reach out to me if any questions or concerns
arise. I look forward to seeing many of you in just over two months.

 

Best,

Kathryn Webster

President | national Association of Blind Students

(203) 273-8463

Nabs.president at gmail.com


From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Wed Nov 16 06:59:08 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 22:59:08 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Regarding Another Blind Student on Campus
Message-ID: <582c03cb.01d6620a.9dfb5.1399@mx.google.com>

Hi,
I had known there were 2 other blind students on my campus, which 
is fairly small, and met one of them last week.
This student is still very high-vision but uses a cane.  He can 
travel quite well during the daytime, but not in the dark.  He 
uses magnification, and although learned Braille as a high-school 
student when his mother wanted him to, does not use it anymore.  
This I consider mostly fairly normal for a student with lots of 
functioning vision.  The main concern that I have, though, is 
that he still looks at the screen on his phone and, when it gets 
too sunny, avoids use of it altogether.  This could land him in 
potential problems in the future if it has not already.
Although he would definitely benefit from learning about 
Voice-Over and training center opportunities, I barely know him.  
What approach would you use to tell them about the help they can 
get, knowing that they may not even want the help?
The only idea I can think of is to take him somewhere for lunch 
on campus and casually bring things like how to use Voice-Over up 
without making it sound like a big deal.
What are your thoughts?
Vejas


From misokwak12 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 16 07:21:10 2016
From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 23:21:10 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Regarding Another Blind Student on Campus
In-Reply-To: <582c03cb.01d6620a.9dfb5.1399@mx.google.com>
References: <582c03cb.01d6620a.9dfb5.1399@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAMe9x_FYP_9at+uY3r6+1p1mXEk5Tfeq5sYQ2haXR9VgD=hbbQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Vejas, I think you have a good idea that casual lunch may be a good
way to bring the subject up. Given that this student may not be open
to receiving such training at this point I think the best thing you
could do may be just become good friends with him/her and show rather
than tell nonvisual techniques you use on daily basis. If she/he feels
that how you do your daily task could benefit him/her I think that
he/she will naturally become curious and interested.

I feel that NFB does a great job promoting independence and use of
nonvisual skills for blind people but I think in the end each person
needs to decide for himself or herself that they want to pursue these
things especially as adults. Others simply may not feel the need to
learn nonvisual techniques for one reason or another and I think just
as good people we should respect others' choice.

Best,
Miso

On 11/15/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> I had known there were 2 other blind students on my campus, which
> is fairly small, and met one of them last week.
> This student is still very high-vision but uses a cane.  He can
> travel quite well during the daytime, but not in the dark.  He
> uses magnification, and although learned Braille as a high-school
> student when his mother wanted him to, does not use it anymore.
> This I consider mostly fairly normal for a student with lots of
> functioning vision.  The main concern that I have, though, is
> that he still looks at the screen on his phone and, when it gets
> too sunny, avoids use of it altogether.  This could land him in
> potential problems in the future if it has not already.
> Although he would definitely benefit from learning about
> Voice-Over and training center opportunities, I barely know him.
> What approach would you use to tell them about the help they can
> get, knowing that they may not even want the help?
> The only idea I can think of is to take him somewhere for lunch
> on campus and casually bring things like how to use Voice-Over up
> without making it sound like a big deal.
> What are your thoughts?
> Vejas
>
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NABS-L:
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>


-- 
Mi So Kwak
University of California, Los Angeles | 2017
Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
(909) 660-1897


From Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu  Wed Nov 16 14:56:37 2016
From: Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte (Student))
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 14:56:37 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS blog for November
Message-ID: <4EDBCC03-1B93-46C8-85B5-507DC67DA630@mainex1.asu.edu>

Greetings NABS,

This month we are featuring a blog post for November authored by Lizzy Muhammad, the newly elected president of the Pennsylvania Association of Blind students.  She is a junior International Studies major at Bryn Mawr College with a concentration in gender and a minor in Spanish.  In this article, she talks about blind students having high expectations for themselves in the area of politeness and good manners. Please join with us in reading this months blog post.

http://nabslink.org/content/giving-thanks-thanksgiving

Bryan Duarte software engineer
ASU Computer Science Ph.D Student
National Association of Blind Students | Board Member
Arizona Association of Blind Students | President
QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/

“let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.”
-- St. Teresa of Avila


From clearinghouse at miusa.org  Wed Nov 16 19:11:26 2016
From: clearinghouse at miusa.org (NCDE Clearinghouse)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 11:11:26 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Did you study a foreign language? We want to meet you.
Message-ID: <976bfa5a-60fa-3edd-e1de-74e3614e35be@miusa.org>

Greetings NABS

I hope this message finds you all well. The National Clearinghouse on 
Disability and Exchange, a project administered by Mobility 
International USA with the support of the US Department of State for the 
purpose of increasing the participation of people with disabilities in 
all kinds of international exchange including study, volunteer or intern 
abroad, is ooking for leads on blind people who have learned a second 
language.

We are particularly looking for folks who have experience studying 
critical languages like Chinese, Arabic, Russian or Japanese among 
others, as these languages tend to create unique challenges for people 
who are blind/visually impaired because of the fact that they don't use 
the Latin Alphabet. That said, if you have a great story about learning 
a second language, we would love to hear from you. We are also 
interested in meeting blind/VI folks who have learned English as a 
second language.
The reason why we are doing this outreach is because we plan to add a 
collection of tip sheets, good practices and stories on foreign language 
study with disabilities to our online resources at www.MIUSA.org. We 
hope that this project will help to advance language-learning in the 
blind community and beyond by sharing information on teaching and 
learning based on the successes and lessons learned of real people like you.

If you have some tips or you would like us to feature your story, please 
email jharford at miusa.org and share a little about yourself. To learn 
more about the clearinghouse, and the resources that we offer, please 
visit http://www.miusa.org/plan/.

Sincerely


-- 
Justin Harford
Project Coordinator
National Clearinghouse on Disability and Exchange
Mobility International USA
Phone: 541-343-1284 extension 14
Email: jharford at miusa.org


From herekittykat97 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 17 00:21:44 2016
From: herekittykat97 at gmail.com (Jewel S.)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 19:21:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Thespians?
Message-ID: <CAOgWOCcGBw7eHXx_kZHYACOEP2y6SGWa9Aju4a9p+1tneZtXBw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,
I'm currently trying to find a blind high schooler who is in theatre.
Is there any such on this list? If so, please e-mail me so I can
interview you for my article!
Thanks,
Jewel


From lizzym0827 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 17 12:52:34 2016
From: lizzym0827 at gmail.com (Lizzy)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 07:52:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Thespians?
Message-ID: <582da818.eb27c80a.2e001.7efa@mx.google.com>

Hi Jewel,
You might also have some luck finding a blind high school 
actor/tress on the Performing Arts Division list.

HTH,
Lizzy


From mausbun at unr.edu  Thu Nov 17 17:27:28 2016
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:27:28 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Legislative Committee meeting
Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B236EE990@UBOX2.unr.edu>

Dear NABSters:
	The time for the legislative committee meeting is upon us once again! Please join us at 8:00 P.M. Eastern, Sunday November 20, as we have a lot to discuss!
Call in number: 605-475-6700
Access code: 7869673
	I look forward to hearing all of the wonderful things we have accomplished, since last we spoke!
Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun

National Association of Blind Students
Legislative Committee Agenda:
•	Introductions
•	AIM-HEA
o	What it is
o	Our role
o	Letters
	Student testimonials
	University support
	SGA Support
•	Washington Seminar
o	When is it
o	What is it
o	Funding opportunities
•	Updates
•	Questions and comments.

From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Fri Nov 18 17:22:24 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 09:22:24 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Question  For Other NFB Training Center Graduates
Message-ID: <B78D71FE-B6B2-46B7-855A-59CE9E01C002@gmail.com>

Hi All,
I graduated from LCB in June. I am currently attending my first year of college.
I was wondering how many of you have put your training center graduation in your resume, and if so, for how long.
Also, how specific are you when mentioning the training center? For example, do you just say you graduated from the Louisiana Center for the Blind, or that it is one of the top training centres in the country?
Thanks,
Vejas 

From carlymih at comcast.net  Fri Nov 18 17:30:26 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 09:30:26 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Regarding Another Blind Student on Campus
In-Reply-To: <582c03cb.01d6620a.9dfb5.1399@mx.google.com>
References: <582c03cb.01d6620a.9dfb5.1399@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.304.1772982283.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Good morning, Vejas,

Remember this, people's regard for their waining eyesight and its 
aplication, it would seem to me, is a very personal 
experience.    __At 10:59 PM 11/15/2016, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote:
>Hi,
>I had known there were 2 other blind students on my campus, which is 
>fairly small, and met one of them last week.
>This student is still very high-vision but uses a cane.  He can 
>travel quite well during the daytime, but not in the dark.  He uses 
>magnification, and although learned Braille as a high-school student 
>when his mother wanted him to, does not use it anymore.
>This I consider mostly fairly normal for a student with lots of 
>functioning vision.  The main concern that I have, though, is that 
>he still looks at the screen on his phone and, when it gets too 
>sunny, avoids use of it altogether.  This could land him in 
>potential problems in the future if it has not already.
>Although he would definitely benefit from learning about Voice-Over 
>and training center opportunities, I barely know him.
>What approach would you use to tell them about the help they can 
>get, knowing that they may not even want the help?
>The only idea I can think of is to take him somewhere for lunch on 
>campus and casually bring things like how to use Voice-Over up 
>without making it sound like a big deal.
>What are your thoughts?
>Vejas
>
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From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Fri Nov 18 19:46:54 2016
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 13:46:54 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Question  For Other NFB Training Center Graduates
Message-ID: <582f5ac1.44bdca0a.888d3.060d@mx.google.com>

vejas, I can't answer the how-long part, but I definitely put LCB 
on my resume. If employers see that you graduated high school in 
the spring of 2015 and didn't start college until the fall of 
2016, they're going to wonder what you did during your gap year. 
Telling them about LCB shows that you didn't laze around the 
house watching Netflix for nine months. If you also put a little 
bit about what you did at LCB, employers will see that you've had 
some fascinating experiences and that you're self-aware enough to 
realize what skills you lack and seek training in those areas.

Hope this helps,
Sophie

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 09:22:24 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Question  For Other NFB Training Center 
Graduates

Hi All,
I graduated from LCB in June. I am currently attending my first 
year of college.
I was wondering how many of you have put your training center 
graduation in your resume, and if so, for how long.
Also, how specific are you when mentioning the training center? 
For example, do you just say you graduated from the Louisiana 
Center for the Blind, or that it is one of the top training 
centres in the country?
Thanks,
Vejas
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 19 01:33:12 2016
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:33:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question For Other NFB Training Center Graduates
In-Reply-To: <582f5ac1.44bdca0a.888d3.060d@mx.google.com>
References: <582f5ac1.44bdca0a.888d3.060d@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FY6D8x6o3p7PHRH4uZX400fL3WqekbL0WDjPaChdWonqQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there,

Just to play devil's advocate, I have always been told never to put
anything that gives away that I'm blind on my resume in order to
ensure that I'm judged fairly by employers, and am at least granted an
interview rather than tossed into the trash because of panic or an
unwillingness to learn how I can perform the job with some
modifications.  This has come from not just high school counselors,
but also college career counselors, professors, and employment
specialists working with blind people at a summer work experience
program I participated in a few summers ago.  I scrubbed all
mentioning of the word blind from my resume, with the exceptions of in
facility names and when saying I volunteered with blind children in
various capacities.  I don't even have my two NFB scholarship awards
listed on there per that advice, and the only blindness-related award
I have listed is one for being an outstanding youth volunteer from a
blindness organization.  I will give the disclaimer that I have not
attended a training center, but regardless according to what I've been
taught, it is just good rule of thumb to not mention you're disabled
in order to rule out discrimination prior to a job interview.  There
are some exceptions to the rule, such as when you're going for
educational opportunities and might need to have conversations about
accessibility up front, but I hope this provides some good food for
thought.

On 11/18/16, Sophie Trist via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> vejas, I can't answer the how-long part, but I definitely put LCB
> on my resume. If employers see that you graduated high school in
> the spring of 2015 and didn't start college until the fall of
> 2016, they're going to wonder what you did during your gap year.
> Telling them about LCB shows that you didn't laze around the
> house watching Netflix for nine months. If you also put a little
> bit about what you did at LCB, employers will see that you've had
> some fascinating experiences and that you're self-aware enough to
> realize what skills you lack and seek training in those areas.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Sophie
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 09:22:24 -0800
> Subject: [nabs-l] Question  For Other NFB Training Center
> Graduates
>
> Hi All,
> I graduated from LCB in June. I am currently attending my first
> year of college.
> I was wondering how many of you have put your training center
> graduation in your resume, and if so, for how long.
> Also, how specific are you when mentioning the training center?
> For example, do you just say you graduated from the Louisiana
> Center for the Blind, or that it is one of the top training
> centres in the country?
> Thanks,
> Vejas
> _______________________________________________
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>
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>


-- 
Kaiti Shelton


From kestomberg at coe.edu  Sat Nov 19 01:34:47 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 19:34:47 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Regarding Another Blind Student on Campus
In-Reply-To: <582f3af2.12c9370a.c6883.259dSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
References: <582c03cb.01d6620a.9dfb5.1399@mx.google.com>
	<582f3af2.12c9370a.c6883.259dSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <08E5646E-9192-4B23-9CE1-C6C15C2BBD2D@coe.edu>

Vejas,  

I would like to elaborate on what Carly said. Gently bringing up the subject of non-visual techniques is not inherently bad, but you must be incredibly careful  if you decide this is really something you want to do. 
Allow me to explain... I have been visually impaired all of my life. However, I grew up in a rural area and received very little Mobility Training. A lot of what I know is self-taught. I don't think this makes me less successful. I am an endependent woman. But, because I don't navigate the way other blind people do, and because I am not proficient with things like public transportation, I have had several people from the NFB  and other organizations very rudely inform me that I need to go to a Training Center.  This has made me all the more determined not to do it. I have clearly been quite  successful without it, and I don't see the need.  (I mean no disrespect here. Training Centers are fabulous, I just don't think I personally would benefit from going.) 
I could see the other blind student at your college reacting similarly if you are not careful in how you approach this. Learning non-visual techniques is  good, especially if you're losing your vision, but that change is already difficult even without other people telling you that you have to change what you're doing.  
All of that said, I am sure you will be gentle, and it's good that you are trying to help.  
 Good luck and let us know how it goes! :). 
Kennedy 

Kennedy Stomberg 
(218)295-2391 

> On Nov 18, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good morning, Vejas,
> 
> Remember this, people's regard for their waining eyesight and its aplication, it would seem to me, is a very personal experience.    __At 10:59 PM 11/15/2016, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I had known there were 2 other blind students on my campus, which is fairly small, and met one of them last week.
>> This student is still very high-vision but uses a cane.  He can travel quite well during the daytime, but not in the dark.  He uses magnification, and although learned Braille as a high-school student when his mother wanted him to, does not use it anymore.
>> This I consider mostly fairly normal for a student with lots of functioning vision.  The main concern that I have, though, is that he still looks at the screen on his phone and, when it gets too sunny, avoids use of it altogether.  This could land him in potential problems in the future if it has not already.
>> Although he would definitely benefit from learning about Voice-Over and training center opportunities, I barely know him.
>> What approach would you use to tell them about the help they can get, knowing that they may not even want the help?
>> The only idea I can think of is to take him somewhere for lunch on campus and casually bring things like how to use Voice-Over up without making it sound like a big deal.
>> What are your thoughts?
>> Vejas
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net
> 
> 
> 
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From kestomberg at coe.edu  Sat Nov 19 01:42:33 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 19:42:33 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Question For Other NFB Training Center Graduates
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FY6D8x6o3p7PHRH4uZX400fL3WqekbL0WDjPaChdWonqQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <582f5ac1.44bdca0a.888d3.060d@mx.google.com>
	<CAFja7FY6D8x6o3p7PHRH4uZX400fL3WqekbL0WDjPaChdWonqQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <466E9B8F-3D73-4FFA-AEB2-25191F5FB3F2@coe.edu>

I haven't graduated from the training centers either. But I have to agree with what Kaiti said. I would also be curious to know what you learned at the Training Center. If it's related to what you are applying for... Then, maybe you would put it. For example, if you are applying to intern in a Chemistry Lab for the summer, and one of the things you did at  LCB was learn specific lab techniques or helped someone with a research project... You would definitely have an advantage over your piers. If you don't have job-specific skills that you learned, you probably shouldn't put it. Discrimination against people who are blind is alive and well in this country.  

Hope this helps! 

Kennedy 
Kennedy Stomberg 
(218)295-2391 

> On Nov 18, 2016, at 7:33 PM, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> Just to play devil's advocate, I have always been told never to put
> anything that gives away that I'm blind on my resume in order to
> ensure that I'm judged fairly by employers, and am at least granted an
> interview rather than tossed into the trash because of panic or an
> unwillingness to learn how I can perform the job with some
> modifications.  This has come from not just high school counselors,
> but also college career counselors, professors, and employment
> specialists working with blind people at a summer work experience
> program I participated in a few summers ago.  I scrubbed all
> mentioning of the word blind from my resume, with the exceptions of in
> facility names and when saying I volunteered with blind children in
> various capacities.  I don't even have my two NFB scholarship awards
> listed on there per that advice, and the only blindness-related award
> I have listed is one for being an outstanding youth volunteer from a
> blindness organization.  I will give the disclaimer that I have not
> attended a training center, but regardless according to what I've been
> taught, it is just good rule of thumb to not mention you're disabled
> in order to rule out discrimination prior to a job interview.  There
> are some exceptions to the rule, such as when you're going for
> educational opportunities and might need to have conversations about
> accessibility up front, but I hope this provides some good food for
> thought.
> 
>> On 11/18/16, Sophie Trist via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> vejas, I can't answer the how-long part, but I definitely put LCB
>> on my resume. If employers see that you graduated high school in
>> the spring of 2015 and didn't start college until the fall of
>> 2016, they're going to wonder what you did during your gap year.
>> Telling them about LCB shows that you didn't laze around the
>> house watching Netflix for nine months. If you also put a little
>> bit about what you did at LCB, employers will see that you've had
>> some fascinating experiences and that you're self-aware enough to
>> realize what skills you lack and seek training in those areas.
>> 
>> Hope this helps,
>> Sophie
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 09:22:24 -0800
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Question  For Other NFB Training Center
>> Graduates
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> I graduated from LCB in June. I am currently attending my first
>> year of college.
>> I was wondering how many of you have put your training center
>> graduation in your resume, and if so, for how long.
>> Also, how specific are you when mentioning the training center?
>> For example, do you just say you graduated from the Louisiana
>> Center for the Blind, or that it is one of the top training
>> centres in the country?
>> Thanks,
>> Vejas
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>> for NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade
>> r%40gmail.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Kaiti Shelton
> 
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Sat Nov 19 04:39:01 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:39:01 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Regarding Another Blind Student on Campus
In-Reply-To: <08E5646E-9192-4B23-9CE1-C6C15C2BBD2D@coe.edu>
References: <582c03cb.01d6620a.9dfb5.1399@mx.google.com>
	<582f3af2.12c9370a.c6883.259dSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
	<08E5646E-9192-4B23-9CE1-C6C15C2BBD2D@coe.edu>
Message-ID: <4837ED82-CD6C-4A7D-9C5D-5F3E00F526F6@gmail.com>

Kennedy,
This is both a very interesting and refreshing perspective.
When I was at LCB many of the other students felt that training was the only option for them. Now I understand that this is not the case for everyone.
My main concern is him not using Voice-Over because if  it is too sunny for him to see his phone screen, he can't really  communicate with people trying to get ahold of him.
That's great that you were able to learn your own techniques.
Vejas  

> On Nov 18, 2016, at 17:34, KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Vejas,  
> 
> I would like to elaborate on what Carly said. Gently bringing up the subject of non-visual techniques is not inherently bad, but you must be incredibly careful  if you decide this is really something you want to do. 
> Allow me to explain... I have been visually impaired all of my life. However, I grew up in a rural area and received very little Mobility Training. A lot of what I know is self-taught. I don't think this makes me less successful. I am an endependent woman. But, because I don't navigate the way other blind people do, and because I am not proficient with things like public transportation, I have had several people from the NFB  and other organizations very rudely inform me that I need to go to a Training Center.  This has made me all the more determined not to do it. I have clearly been quite  successful without it, and I don't see the need.  (I mean no disrespect here. Training Centers are fabulous, I just don't think I personally would benefit from going.) 
> I could see the other blind student at your college reacting similarly if you are not careful in how you approach this. Learning non-visual techniques is  good, especially if you're losing your vision, but that change is already difficult even without other people telling you that you have to change what you're doing.  
> All of that said, I am sure you will be gentle, and it's good that you are trying to help.  
> Good luck and let us know how it goes! :). 
> Kennedy 
> 
> Kennedy Stomberg 
> (218)295-2391 
> 
>> On Nov 18, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning, Vejas,
>> 
>> Remember this, people's regard for their waining eyesight and its aplication, it would seem to me, is a very personal experience.    __At 10:59 PM 11/15/2016, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I had known there were 2 other blind students on my campus, which is fairly small, and met one of them last week.
>>> This student is still very high-vision but uses a cane.  He can travel quite well during the daytime, but not in the dark.  He uses magnification, and although learned Braille as a high-school student when his mother wanted him to, does not use it anymore.
>>> This I consider mostly fairly normal for a student with lots of functioning vision.  The main concern that I have, though, is that he still looks at the screen on his phone and, when it gets too sunny, avoids use of it altogether.  This could land him in potential problems in the future if it has not already.
>>> Although he would definitely benefit from learning about Voice-Over and training center opportunities, I barely know him.
>>> What approach would you use to tell them about the help they can get, knowing that they may not even want the help?
>>> The only idea I can think of is to take him somewhere for lunch on campus and casually bring things like how to use Voice-Over up without making it sound like a big deal.
>>> What are your thoughts?
>>> Vejas
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From kestomberg at coe.edu  Sat Nov 19 05:25:09 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 23:25:09 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Regarding Another Blind Student on Campus
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Oh! I think I better understand what you were trying to tell him now. In that case, I don't think it will be as difficult to bring up. I bet he would like to know of a way to communicate effectively when It gets to be sunny. I would still be gentle, but I bet that conversation will go quite well. :-) Have you been able to talk to him yet?

Kennedy Stomberg 
(218)295-2391 

> On Nov 18, 2016, at 10:39 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Kennedy,
> This is both a very interesting and refreshing perspective.
> When I was at LCB many of the other students felt that training was the only option for them. Now I understand that this is not the case for everyone.
> My main concern is him not using Voice-Over because if  it is too sunny for him to see his phone screen, he can't really  communicate with people trying to get ahold of him.
> That's great that you were able to learn your own techniques.
> Vejas  
> 
>> On Nov 18, 2016, at 17:34, KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Vejas,  
>> 
>> I would like to elaborate on what Carly said. Gently bringing up the subject of non-visual techniques is not inherently bad, but you must be incredibly careful  if you decide this is really something you want to do. 
>> Allow me to explain... I have been visually impaired all of my life. However, I grew up in a rural area and received very little Mobility Training. A lot of what I know is self-taught. I don't think this makes me less successful. I am an endependent woman. But, because I don't navigate the way other blind people do, and because I am not proficient with things like public transportation, I have had several people from the NFB  and other organizations very rudely inform me that I need to go to a Training Center.  This has made me all the more determined not to do it. I have clearly been quite  successful without it, and I don't see the need.  (I mean no disrespect here. Training Centers are fabulous, I just don't think I personally would benefit from going.) 
>> I could see the other blind student at your college reacting similarly if you are not careful in how you approach this. Learning non-visual techniques is  good, especially if you're losing your vision, but that change is already difficult even without other people telling you that you have to change what you're doing.  
>> All of that said, I am sure you will be gentle, and it's good that you are trying to help.  
>> Good luck and let us know how it goes! :). 
>> Kennedy 
>> 
>> Kennedy Stomberg 
>> (218)295-2391 
>> 
>>> On Nov 18, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good morning, Vejas,
>>> 
>>> Remember this, people's regard for their waining eyesight and its aplication, it would seem to me, is a very personal experience.    __At 10:59 PM 11/15/2016, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I had known there were 2 other blind students on my campus, which is fairly small, and met one of them last week.
>>>> This student is still very high-vision but uses a cane.  He can travel quite well during the daytime, but not in the dark.  He uses magnification, and although learned Braille as a high-school student when his mother wanted him to, does not use it anymore.
>>>> This I consider mostly fairly normal for a student with lots of functioning vision.  The main concern that I have, though, is that he still looks at the screen on his phone and, when it gets too sunny, avoids use of it altogether.  This could land him in potential problems in the future if it has not already.
>>>> Although he would definitely benefit from learning about Voice-Over and training center opportunities, I barely know him.
>>>> What approach would you use to tell them about the help they can get, knowing that they may not even want the help?
>>>> The only idea I can think of is to take him somewhere for lunch on campus and casually bring things like how to use Voice-Over up without making it sound like a big deal.
>>>> What are your thoughts?
>>>> Vejas
>>>> 
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From lizzym0827 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 19 12:58:05 2016
From: lizzym0827 at gmail.com (Lizzy)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 07:58:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Regarding Another Blind Student on Campus
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Hi Vejas,
	I still agree with Kennedy's first assertion though.  
Definitely don't approach your fellow student in a "this is 
what you should do" kind of way or even in a "this is what I 
do" sort of way.  Just be yourself and do you.  When he sees 
what you're doing and how you're living life, trust me, 
he'll ask for advice.  You could slip your time at LCB or 
something about a training center into the conversation once 
or twice if it seems fitting just to test his initial 
reaction.  But definitely don't lead with that foot.  
Everyone is at different points in their readiness to accept 
blindness and blindness skills so I think the best way to 
get him thinking about training is to show him that you have 
the confidence to take charge and live the life you want 
thanks to an NFB training center.  The reason I give this 
advice is because I don't think I'd like a perfect stranger 
telling me what they think is best for me when they don't 
even know my personal situation.  So during your lunch, I'd 
advise you to get to know him before you give him advice.  
Even if it is coming from a good place, he may not view it 
as such...  And the last thing you want to do is push him 
away from training.
HTH,
Lizzy


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 19 15:12:27 2016
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 10:12:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Regarding Another Blind Student on Campus
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Hi Vejas,
You mentioned that this student uses a cane at night. I think this is
a positive sign that he has already received some training and is
willing to at least consider using nonvisual skills some of the time.
He may simply not know about VoiceOver or not realize how effective it
is. I am not sure if he would need to go to a training center just to
learn VoiceOver and related skills.
It also sounds like you already know him well enough that he's told
you about his difficulties using his phone in the sun. If you are
going to see him again, perhaps the next time he complains about the
sunlight, you could casually mention that you use VoiceOver on your
phone and ask him if he has ever tried using it. If he hasn't, this
will give you the chance to teach him some basics. If he has, you can
listen to his response to figure out if perhaps he has a misconception
about VoiceOver that you could clear up for him, or if he has a
legitimate reason for not using it.
Generally my approach is not to preach about nonvisual techniques
uninvited, but to casually bring them up if somebody complains about
the problems they are having using visual techniques.
Best, Arielle


On 11/19/16, Lizzy via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Vejas,
> 	I still agree with Kennedy's first assertion though.
> Definitely don't approach your fellow student in a "this is
> what you should do" kind of way or even in a "this is what I
> do" sort of way.  Just be yourself and do you.  When he sees
> what you're doing and how you're living life, trust me,
> he'll ask for advice.  You could slip your time at LCB or
> something about a training center into the conversation once
> or twice if it seems fitting just to test his initial
> reaction.  But definitely don't lead with that foot.
> Everyone is at different points in their readiness to accept
> blindness and blindness skills so I think the best way to
> get him thinking about training is to show him that you have
> the confidence to take charge and live the life you want
> thanks to an NFB training center.  The reason I give this
> advice is because I don't think I'd like a perfect stranger
> telling me what they think is best for me when they don't
> even know my personal situation.  So during your lunch, I'd
> advise you to get to know him before you give him advice.
> Even if it is coming from a good place, he may not view it
> as such...  And the last thing you want to do is push him
> away from training.
> HTH,
> Lizzy
>
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From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Sat Nov 19 23:05:16 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 18:05:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question For Other NFB Training Center Graduates
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Hey,
Depending on the job/volunteer opportunity I am applying for, I do not generally mention my blindness.
There are some cases when it is appropriate. For instants, I interned at a residential facility over the summer and in applying I mentioned my blindness because some of the expectations for the job are visual and I knew I would not be able to accomplish them/provide relevant documentation. For example, driving vehicles.
I highlighted my abilities not related to me being blind such as knowing how to knit, public speaking experience, volunteer experiences with teens etc.


> On Nov 18, 2016, at 20:42, KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I haven't graduated from the training centers either. But I have to agree with what Kaiti said. I would also be curious to know what you learned at the Training Center. If it's related to what you are applying for... Then, maybe you would put it. For example, if you are applying to intern in a Chemistry Lab for the summer, and one of the things you did at  LCB was learn specific lab techniques or helped someone with a research project... You would definitely have an advantage over your piers. If you don't have job-specific skills that you learned, you probably shouldn't put it. Discrimination against people who are blind is alive and well in this country.  
> 
> Hope this helps! 
> 
> Kennedy 
> Kennedy Stomberg 
> (218)295-2391 
> 
>> On Nov 18, 2016, at 7:33 PM, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there,
>> 
>> Just to play devil's advocate, I have always been told never to put
>> anything that gives away that I'm blind on my resume in order to
>> ensure that I'm judged fairly by employers, and am at least granted an
>> interview rather than tossed into the trash because of panic or an
>> unwillingness to learn how I can perform the job with some
>> modifications.  This has come from not just high school counselors,
>> but also college career counselors, professors, and employment
>> specialists working with blind people at a summer work experience
>> program I participated in a few summers ago.  I scrubbed all
>> mentioning of the word blind from my resume, with the exceptions of in
>> facility names and when saying I volunteered with blind children in
>> various capacities.  I don't even have my two NFB scholarship awards
>> listed on there per that advice, and the only blindness-related award
>> I have listed is one for being an outstanding youth volunteer from a
>> blindness organization.  I will give the disclaimer that I have not
>> attended a training center, but regardless according to what I've been
>> taught, it is just good rule of thumb to not mention you're disabled
>> in order to rule out discrimination prior to a job interview.  There
>> are some exceptions to the rule, such as when you're going for
>> educational opportunities and might need to have conversations about
>> accessibility up front, but I hope this provides some good food for
>> thought.
>> 
>>> On 11/18/16, Sophie Trist via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> vejas, I can't answer the how-long part, but I definitely put LCB
>>> on my resume. If employers see that you graduated high school in
>>> the spring of 2015 and didn't start college until the fall of
>>> 2016, they're going to wonder what you did during your gap year.
>>> Telling them about LCB shows that you didn't laze around the
>>> house watching Netflix for nine months. If you also put a little
>>> bit about what you did at LCB, employers will see that you've had
>>> some fascinating experiences and that you're self-aware enough to
>>> realize what skills you lack and seek training in those areas.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> Sophie
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 09:22:24 -0800
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Question  For Other NFB Training Center
>>> Graduates
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> I graduated from LCB in June. I am currently attending my first
>>> year of college.
>>> I was wondering how many of you have put your training center
>>> graduation in your resume, and if so, for how long.
>>> Also, how specific are you when mentioning the training center?
>>> For example, do you just say you graduated from the Louisiana
>>> Center for the Blind, or that it is one of the top training
>>> centres in the country?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Vejas
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>> 
>> 
>> -- 
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From zdreicer at gmail.com  Sun Nov 20 10:06:08 2016
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 03:06:08 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] 7 plus blind or low vision students facing discrimination
 at NIU... Please help!!!!!
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Good morning federationists,
   Please forgive me in advance, this is going to be a long email. I am disappointed to inform you that 7 students, including myself, are facing or have faced  discrimination by a program at a university whose aim is to teach blind students. Perhaps there are more that I don’t know of, and if this is the case, it would be great to know of their experiences.  The program is in the school of special education at Northern Illinois University main campus in DeKalb, West side Chicago, Illinois. There are 7 confirme cases of discrimination and/or difficulty to complete assigned coursework in the visual disabilities program, between the programs at both the undergraduate and graduate level. What’s more disappointing to me is that in this semester alone, 4 blind students including myself have elected to change our majors because of the difficulties we face. 
   Obviously for me to be writing these statistics something is terribly wrong here…So I should explain further that the reasons compiled or most noted are lack of adaptation by course instructors, discouragement by some instructors for blind people to participate actively and fully, lack of knowledge by sighted colleagues of how to help the blind students in the class, lack of teaching proper cane/guide dog use skills early, and problems with conflicting philosophy. As far as I know, 3 of the 3 students who have already changed their major and started down a new career path have not sought assistance from resources at Northern Illinois University or the National Federation of the Blind, and the same can be said of 3 of the 4 students making the transition over the upcoming holiday vacation. Some have directly told me that they decided to leave quietly, thinking their voices wouldn’t be heard and that they would not be able to make a difference with just 1 person. They encouraged me to do the same, and although I’m changing majors for the sole reason of keeping my high grade point average that way going into the latter part of my undergraduate career, I am not leaving without making a lasting impact on the visual disabilities program…and I need your help. 6 of the 7 students do not know the National Federation of the Blind as far as I know, and they are strictly reliant on the disability resource center and the department of vocational rehabilitation of Illinois. Yours truly however knows all 3.
   The first issue, and the one I find of most importance…is the discrimination that blind students are faced with in this program at both the undergraduate and graduate level. I am in my 1st block of classes—introduction to teaching students with visual impairments, introduction to Orientation and Mobility, Introduction to Braille which I tested out of, and The Anatomy and Pathology of the Eye. jOf those 3 classes where I am participating, I know that the hardest one for me is Introduction to teaching students with visual impairments. The class is to teach students to develop and teach lessons according to EDTPA standards. In this class, there are 2 obvious red flags. The first is its sequence in the program, when students are concurrently enrolled in Introduction to Braille. Most sighted students—and a few blind students—were not proficient at Braille and taking the 2 classes at the same time. This has an automatic drawback in my mind, the sighted students have no idea yet about adaptive tech or Braille and the program is about teaching blind students. This is not so hard to overcome because they will learn the skills in due time,  although I’ve had several sighted students approach me regarding this class apologizing to me that they don’t know how to adapt their lessons, which I forgave them but told them some very simple strategies to adapt with little to no stress for them. I have put 2 other blind students in the class in charge also of talking to other sighted classmates, but they gave up after only a few tries and no success. The other red flag is the more major one in my mind, it stares everyone in the face during each lesson plan. I copied and pasted the section of the instructions of each lesson I refer to below, and it clearly spells out discrimination. “...You are pre-teaching this so that the student is more prepared for the class discussion and activities.  Select one or more CONCEPTS that will help the student understand the content more fully.  The student is a print reader and all materials must be in print.  We will assume that you would provide appropriate modifications tailored to the student’s vision skills determined through functional vision and learning media assessments.  For this exercise, however, use standard print materials but it is fair to address any concepts that you think would be particularly difficult for a student.” This spells out that NO blind students can be participating as students in the lesson, they can only participate as teachers. Furthermore it makes the assumption that the students know how to perform assessments to determine usable vision, and that has not even been taught. It is important to note that many sighted students want to teach the blind students in the class, (I.E.) the blind students in the class could be the blind students in the lesson scenario. Also of importance to note is that the groups of students consist of 3 to 4 students, and it is 1 to 1 ratio of teacher and student so the other students just sit and observe. It is also hard to sift through the CCSS standards, and half the time the teacher reports back to me that I didn’t do the best standard for my assignment. There are other various reasons for point deduction, but I feel that I am doing the best I can from the instruction given. There are also video observations of classrooms for undergraduate students, which is second to being able to observe a live classroom like the graduate students do. This is less of a concern to me, although it would be much more beneficial if every student had the same experience—even if they were partnered up to go on observations. Across other classes… in Orientation and Mobility, except for the blind students, nobody is using a cane or guide dog. An overwhelming majority of the class is lecture, and when we are out on travel, it’s all done under blindfold and teaching sighted guide and protective techniques with hands at different positions—which is agreeably important but far from the comprehensive skills that need to be covered to make it effective and safe. I’ve learned that there is an advanced O&M class open to graduates only that teaches cane travel skills, meaning that all the undergraduates get is the basic class without the cane. Also there are major philosophy differences from what I know to what is being taught in that class. As 2 examples, students are instructed that it is not safe or responsible to leave a blind student unattended when they step away to check in to a hotel or restaurant, and that blind people should use paratransit services or sit immediately behind the operator of the public transit vehicle in the priority seating area, making others move if need be. One particular lesson that had the sighted students wandering around lost, sounding very similar to #HowEyeSeeIt earlier this year was learning their way around a grocery store under blindfold while holding the elbow of another classmate. This included going to and from the store using public transportation.  Obviously the first part could not apply to me exactly as instructed, and I questioned the legality of guiding a sighted student off of campus with no cane, sighting the fact that I could be held liable for someone who had no experience in the proper techniques if they were in any way hurt or whatever. I ended up instructing as I was taught during my training at the Colorado Center for the Blind and the sighted student traveled to and from the store without blindfold. I got an additional opportunity to work with another student who wanted to see how a compitent blind person travels. But this is highly unfair to blind and sighted people alike because this not the way anyone would learn to get around the store. The lesson was that the blind partner would be able to walk into a store and grab something off the shelf if the sighted person show them how to get there and to the specific item. I feel this is not a fair lesson because items’ locations may change and this leaves the blind person to have to try and try again to find an item that was moved. In anatomy of the eye, the instructor is doing their best to talk about the functions of everything, but a good tactual representation of everything would make it make much more sense. We dissected a cow’s eye which gave me at least a little better understanding, but my partner did most of the work even though I had my hands all over the area where the eye was being dicected. The same instructor teaches O&M and anatomy and is a really nice person but my final comment about them is they adjust scores up so it doesn’t accurately reflect how a student is doing, regardless of if they are passing or failing. 
   I have heard from people that have continued passed these introductory classes that in clinical, they are having issues including but not limited to not being able to actively participate because of lack of access to material in a format that can be comprehended. I also have experienced their other issue, the instructors are always saying to have the students use whatever remaining vision they have or to rely on their resource teacher. I do not know a blind student in the undergraduate or graduate level who has successfully graduated the visual disabilities program at Northern Illinois University.
   It was my goal since 2013 when someone forwarded info about a scholarship to attend NIU to the National Association of Blind Students to get to Chicago asap so I could learn how to teach students like me in a variety of environments. I kept looking for ways to go to Chicago starting during my CCB training, but my parents wanted me to stay in Colorado because it is nearer to where they live. So I compromised and started my undergraduate work in Greeley at University of Northern Colorado, NIU still on the forefront of my mind. In April of last year, I received an invitation to the spring seminar of the Illinois Association of Blind Students because of my membership on Illinois NFB lists, and I jumped on the cheapest flight I could find. I went out a day early to go to NIU and explore, and 1 of the 7 students I gave mention to showed me around a little but that barely scratched the surface. In the middle of October of 2015 was when I declared to everyone that I could obtain a undergraduate degree at NIU as what I wanted to more quickly advance to a masters in quicker time than I could get it in Greeley, sighting the fact that an undergraduate TVI program didn’t exist in Greeley. I jumped on the cheapest plane, toured around Chicago with a friend for a few days, and enrolled in NIU the last day before I went back to Denver  I was highly impressed with the disability resource center’s services, in particular the fact that they told me they have an on sight Braille transcriber and an electronic text coordinator who would get me all the materials I needed only by me submitting a receipt and making a simple request in person or online including the proof of purchase. It sounded too good to be true, but I quickly found out that this disability resource center really knows their stuff and have been greatful to work with them since. Speaking of them, my case manager put me in contact with some of the people that are higher up in the department and is trying to help me troubleshoot as best as they can, but they said it’s more up to the student to do that and that DRC would be there to assist along the way as necessary. I made it through my 1st winter in Chicago with a 3.4 and went into this semester on a good grade from a summer class.
   Only 2 airlines leaving Chicago serve the airport closest to my home. I flew through Denver on United on my way home yesterday marking the start of Thanksgiving break, and as I got on my connecting flight and the safety video began, I had time to reflect on everything to myself and I really missed my times in Denver and thought for a little bit of going  back. Walking outside and up the jet bridge to get my hour’s long flight home from there was what really got me thinking. But I knew I couldn’t easily switch again and I quickly convinced myself of it, with the number of friends I made around Chicago and the promises of being able to be done a year sooner in my new major of rehabilitation services, thereby getting me to my next adventure—Louisiana Tech University—sooner.
   Thus said, I have a few question. Is there anything NFBI or national can do to make it so that the visual disabilities program doesn’t discriminate against anyone in future or make them feel “chased away”? Has anyone you know graduated from there who is blind or low vision? How about what would you recommend to me and the other 3 students who are in the midst of changing majors—did we do the right thing? I am taken aback at how the program has chosen to deal with blind and sighted students alike and was surprised to hear it echoed across many fronts this semester. Can the federation step in and fight for us—or if not us because it may be too late—other blind people who have yet to enter the program? And 1 last question, did anyone around here get the teaching certification another way and then enter tech because that’s what I am now facing. Even if I didn’t get it, I plan to be there in due time for the rehabilitation teaching and o&M programs. That limits the possibilities by a third if I didn’t get a teaching degree though, which makes me disappointed because I thought I had it made at NIU.  Thank you for bearing with me, and I really look forward to any feedback—legal or otherwise.

 
             
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From luke.schwinck at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 20 16:37:40 2016
From: luke.schwinck at hotmail.com (luke schwinck)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 16:37:40 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] fundraising committee meeting
Message-ID: <BN6PR22MB0146FC14AE98333F29C56FA8F6B20@BN6PR22MB0146.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Hey Everyone,


Tonight will be a fun and exciting fundraising committee meeting!  As Washington Seminar approaches the excitement and anticipation for the annual NABS Cafe and student seminar is palpable!


Please find attached the agenda for tonights meeting.  The meeting will be at 8pm central time and the number to call in as always is (605)475-6700 and the PIN is 7869673.  I'm always anxious to hear the opinions of our existing committee members and welcome those of you who may have unique and progressive ideas to share tonight.  If you have any questions between now and then please do not hesitate to ask.


Best regards,

Luke A. Schwinck

Treasurer

Fundraising Committee Chair

National Association of Blind Students

A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind
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From toriclark732 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 20 17:51:18 2016
From: toriclark732 at yahoo.com (Tori Clark)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 11:51:18 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] fundraising committee meeting
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Hello other Mac user,

I will do my best to be there. Church unfortunately comes first but I can call in from the ride home. 

Tori.

Black Hawk Chapter President National Federation of the Blind of Illinois. 
Younique presenter
309-373-2830

> On Nov 20, 2016, at 10:37 AM, luke schwinck via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey Everyone,
> 
> 
> Tonight will be a fun and exciting fundraising committee meeting!  As Washington Seminar approaches the excitement and anticipation for the annual NABS Cafe and student seminar is palpable!
> 
> 
> Please find attached the agenda for tonights meeting.  The meeting will be at 8pm central time and the number to call in as always is (605)475-6700 and the PIN is 7869673.  I'm always anxious to hear the opinions of our existing committee members and welcome those of you who may have unique and progressive ideas to share tonight.  If you have any questions between now and then please do not hesitate to ask.
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Luke A. Schwinck
> 
> Treasurer
> 
> Fundraising Committee Chair
> 
> National Association of Blind Students
> 
> A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind
> <fc meeting agenda nov 20.pages>
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From emitchell927 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 20 22:07:16 2016
From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 17:07:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] What is the best format for citing in Mla format?
Message-ID: <7A7E3494-124C-4D0D-9F70-51A4142B3D16@gmail.com>

Hey everyone,
What is the best way to cite a page number in a text book? What format of textbook do you use? Please help!
Emma

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From kcj21 at bellsouth.net  Sun Nov 20 22:21:33 2016
From: kcj21 at bellsouth.net (Kaley Jemison)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 17:21:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] What is the best format for citing in Mla format?
In-Reply-To: <7A7E3494-124C-4D0D-9F70-51A4142B3D16@gmail.com>
References: <7A7E3494-124C-4D0D-9F70-51A4142B3D16@gmail.com>
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Hi Emma, usually, you would just put the main authors last name and then the page number in parentheses following your direct quote. I recommend looking on Purdue owl for work cited page information. Remember, MLA has updated recently they now want to URL in there citation.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 20, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone,
> What is the best way to cite a page number in a text book? What format of textbook do you use? Please help!
> Emma
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 20 22:32:16 2016
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 17:32:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] What is the best format for citing in Mla format?
Message-ID: <58322475.11d40d0a.6025f.e27f@mx.google.com>

Hi Emma I use the MLA format for citing page numbers.  I use 
electronic texts that have been provided to me by my Dss office.


From nabs.president at gmail.com  Sun Nov 20 22:52:35 2016
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster, NABS President)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 17:52:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Legislative Committee meeting
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Very much looking forward to tonight's call!
Thanks for all you do, Michael!

Talk to many of you soon,
Kathryn

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Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 12:27 PM
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Cc: Michael D Ausbun <mausbun at unr.edu>
Subject: [nabs-l] Legislative Committee meeting

Dear NABSters:
	The time for the legislative committee meeting is upon us once again! Please join us at 8:00 P.M. Eastern, Sunday November 20, as we have a lot to discuss!
Call in number: 605-475-6700
Access code: 7869673
	I look forward to hearing all of the wonderful things we have accomplished, since last we spoke!
Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun

National Association of Blind Students
Legislative Committee Agenda:
•	Introductions
•	AIM-HEA
o	What it is
o	Our role
o	Letters
	Student testimonials
	University support
	SGA Support
•	Washington Seminar
o	When is it
o	What is it
o	Funding opportunities
•	Updates
•	Questions and comments.
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From emitchell927 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 20 22:59:24 2016
From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 17:59:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] What is the best format for citing in Mla format?
In-Reply-To: <39FA797B-CF13-47EE-9016-65361FBAFFDB@bellsouth.net>
References: <7A7E3494-124C-4D0D-9F70-51A4142B3D16@gmail.com>
	<39FA797B-CF13-47EE-9016-65361FBAFFDB@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <3FE186DE-EE05-4C6E-B7D3-BA8056698EC1@gmail.com>

I know Emily format but my question is what textbook format do you use to make citing page numbers easier? I know audiobooks do do not have page numbers and I'm running into a major problem 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 20, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Emma, usually, you would just put the main authors last name and then the page number in parentheses following your direct quote. I recommend looking on Purdue owl for work cited page information. Remember, MLA has updated recently they now want to URL in there citation.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey everyone,
>> What is the best way to cite a page number in a text book? What format of textbook do you use? Please help!
>> Emma
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From alyssahenson95 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 20 23:02:30 2016
From: alyssahenson95 at gmail.com (AlyssaHenson)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 18:02:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] 7 plus blind or low vision students facing
 discrimination at NIU... Please help!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <834B7F13-0F03-4E48-AE67-D82C9DC208E7@gmail.com>
References: <834B7F13-0F03-4E48-AE67-D82C9DC208E7@gmail.com>
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Hello Zach,
You probably remember me as i am one of the people that showed you around. I experienced similar difficulties with the classes you mentioned.  I also had issues with the advanced Braille course which you would be taking in the spring. I'm glad someone is finally taking steps to address the issues.  I wish I would have done the same. You can feel free to email me off list if you have any additional questions regarding my experience.
Warm regards,
Alyssa

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> On Nov 20, 2016, at 5:06 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good morning federationists,
>   Please forgive me in advance, this is going to be a long email. I am disappointed to inform you that 7 students, including myself, are facing or have faced  discrimination by a program at a university whose aim is to teach blind students. Perhaps there are more that I don’t know of, and if this is the case, it would be great to know of their experiences.  The program is in the school of special education at Northern Illinois University main campus in DeKalb, West side Chicago, Illinois. There are 7 confirme cases of discrimination and/or difficulty to complete assigned coursework in the visual disabilities program, between the programs at both the undergraduate and graduate level. What’s more disappointing to me is that in this semester alone, 4 blind students including myself have elected to change our majors because of the difficulties we face. 
>   Obviously for me to be writing these statistics something is terribly wrong here…So I should explain further that the reasons compiled or most noted are lack of adaptation by course instructors, discouragement by some instructors for blind people to participate actively and fully, lack of knowledge by sighted colleagues of how to help the blind students in the class, lack of teaching proper cane/guide dog use skills early, and problems with conflicting philosophy. As far as I know, 3 of the 3 students who have already changed their major and started down a new career path have not sought assistance from resources at Northern Illinois University or the National Federation of the Blind, and the same can be said of 3 of the 4 students making the transition over the upcoming holiday vacation. Some have directly told me that they decided to leave quietly, thinking their voices wouldn’t be heard and that they would not be able to make a difference with just 1 person. They encouraged me to do the same, and although I’m changing majors for the sole reason of keeping my high grade point average that way going into the latter part of my undergraduate career, I am not leaving without making a lasting impact on the visual disabilities program…and I need your help. 6 of the 7 students do not know the National Federation of the Blind as far as I know, and they are strictly reliant on the disability resource center and the department of vocational rehabilitation of Illinois. Yours truly however knows all 3.
>   The first issue, and the one I find of most importance…is the discrimination that blind students are faced with in this program at both the undergraduate and graduate level. I am in my 1st block of classes—introduction to teaching students with visual impairments, introduction to Orientation and Mobility, Introduction to Braille which I tested out of, and The Anatomy and Pathology of the Eye. jOf those 3 classes where I am participating, I know that the hardest one for me is Introduction to teaching students with visual impairments. The class is to teach students to develop and teach lessons according to EDTPA standards. In this class, there are 2 obvious red flags. The first is its sequence in the program, when students are concurrently enrolled in Introduction to Braille. Most sighted students—and a few blind students—were not proficient at Braille and taking the 2 classes at the same time. This has an automatic drawback in my mind, the sighted students have no idea yet about adaptive tech or Braille and the program is about teaching blind students. This is not so hard to overcome because they will learn the skills in due time,  although I’ve had several sighted students approach me regarding this class apologizing to me that they don’t know how to adapt their lessons, which I forgave them but told them some very simple strategies to adapt with little to no stress for them. I have put 2 other blind students in the class in charge also of talking to other sighted classmates, but they gave up after only a few tries and no success. The other red flag is the more major one in my mind, it stares everyone in the face during each lesson plan. I copied and pasted the section of the instructions of each lesson I refer to below, and it clearly spells out discrimination. “...You are pre-teaching this so that the student is more prepared for the class discussion and activities.  Select one or more CONCEPTS that will help the student understand the content more fully.  The student is a print reader and all materials must be in print.  We will assume that you would provide appropriate modifications tailored to the student’s vision skills determined through functional vision and learning media assessments.  For this exercise, however, use standard print materials but it is fair to address any concepts that you think would be particularly difficult for a student.” This spells out that NO blind students can be participating as students in the lesson, they can only participate as teachers. Furthermore it makes the assumption that the students know how to perform assessments to determine usable vision, and that has not even been taught. It is important to note that many sighted students want to teach the blind students in the class, (I.E.) the blind students in the class could be the blind students in the lesson scenario. Also of importance to note is that the groups of students consist of 3 to 4 students, and it is 1 to 1 ratio of teacher and student so the other students just sit and observe. It is also hard to sift through the CCSS standards, and half the time the teacher reports back to me that I didn’t do the best standard for my assignment. There are other various reasons for point deduction, but I feel that I am doing the best I can from the instruction given. There are also video observations of classrooms for undergraduate students, which is second to being able to observe a live classroom like the graduate students do. This is less of a concern to me, although it would be much more beneficial if every student had the same experience—even if they were partnered up to go on observations. Across other classes… in Orientation and Mobility, except for the blind students, nobody is using a cane or guide dog. An overwhelming majority of the class is lecture, and when we are out on travel, it’s all done under blindfold and teaching sighted guide and protective techniques with hands at different positions—which is agreeably important but far from the comprehensive skills that need to be covered to make it effective and safe. I’ve learned that there is an advanced O&M class open to graduates only that teaches cane travel skills, meaning that all the undergraduates get is the basic class without the cane. Also there are major philosophy differences from what I know to what is being taught in that class. As 2 examples, students are instructed that it is not safe or responsible to leave a blind student unattended when they step away to check in to a hotel or restaurant, and that blind people should use paratransit services or sit immediately behind the operator of the public transit vehicle in the priority seating area, making others move if need be. One particular lesson that had the sighted students wandering around lost, sounding very similar to #HowEyeSeeIt earlier this year was learning their way around a grocery store under blindfold while holding the elbow of another classmate. This included going to and from the store using public transportation.  Obviously the first part could not apply to me exactly as instructed, and I questioned the legality of guiding a sighted student off of campus with no cane, sighting the fact that I could be held liable for someone who had no experience in the proper techniques if they were in any way hurt or whatever. I ended up instructing as I was taught during my training at the Colorado Center for the Blind and the sighted student traveled to and from the store without blindfold. I got an additional opportunity to work with another student who wanted to see how a compitent blind person travels. But this is highly unfair to blind and sighted people alike because this not the way anyone would learn to get around the store. The lesson was that the blind partner would be able to walk into a store and grab something off the shelf if the sighted person show them how to get there and to the specific item. I feel this is not a fair lesson because items’ locations may change and this leaves the blind person to have to try and try again to find an item that was moved. In anatomy of the eye, the instructor is doing their best to talk about the functions of everything, but a good tactual representation of everything would make it make much more sense. We dissected a cow’s eye which gave me at least a little better understanding, but my partner did most of the work even though I had my hands all over the area where the eye was being dicected. The same instructor teaches O&M and anatomy and is a really nice person but my final comment about them is they adjust scores up so it doesn’t accurately reflect how a student is doing, regardless of if they are passing or failing. 
>   I have heard from people that have continued passed these introductory classes that in clinical, they are having issues including but not limited to not being able to actively participate because of lack of access to material in a format that can be comprehended. I also have experienced their other issue, the instructors are always saying to have the students use whatever remaining vision they have or to rely on their resource teacher. I do not know a blind student in the undergraduate or graduate level who has successfully graduated the visual disabilities program at Northern Illinois University.
>   It was my goal since 2013 when someone forwarded info about a scholarship to attend NIU to the National Association of Blind Students to get to Chicago asap so I could learn how to teach students like me in a variety of environments. I kept looking for ways to go to Chicago starting during my CCB training, but my parents wanted me to stay in Colorado because it is nearer to where they live. So I compromised and started my undergraduate work in Greeley at University of Northern Colorado, NIU still on the forefront of my mind. In April of last year, I received an invitation to the spring seminar of the Illinois Association of Blind Students because of my membership on Illinois NFB lists, and I jumped on the cheapest flight I could find. I went out a day early to go to NIU and explore, and 1 of the 7 students I gave mention to showed me around a little but that barely scratched the surface. In the middle of October of 2015 was when I declared to everyone that I could obtain a undergraduate degree at NIU as what I wanted to more quickly advance to a masters in quicker time than I could get it in Greeley, sighting the fact that an undergraduate TVI program didn’t exist in Greeley. I jumped on the cheapest plane, toured around Chicago with a friend for a few days, and enrolled in NIU the last day before I went back to Denver  I was highly impressed with the disability resource center’s services, in particular the fact that they told me they have an on sight Braille transcriber and an electronic text coordinator who would get me all the materials I needed only by me submitting a receipt and making a simple request in person or online including the proof of purchase. It sounded too good to be true, but I quickly found out that this disability resource center really knows their stuff and have been greatful to work with them since. Speaking of them, my case manager put me in contact with some of the people that are higher up in the department and is trying to help me troubleshoot as best as they can, but they said it’s more up to the student to do that and that DRC would be there to assist along the way as necessary. I made it through my 1st winter in Chicago with a 3.4 and went into this semester on a good grade from a summer class.
>   Only 2 airlines leaving Chicago serve the airport closest to my home. I flew through Denver on United on my way home yesterday marking the start of Thanksgiving break, and as I got on my connecting flight and the safety video began, I had time to reflect on everything to myself and I really missed my times in Denver and thought for a little bit of going  back. Walking outside and up the jet bridge to get my hour’s long flight home from there was what really got me thinking. But I knew I couldn’t easily switch again and I quickly convinced myself of it, with the number of friends I made around Chicago and the promises of being able to be done a year sooner in my new major of rehabilitation services, thereby getting me to my next adventure—Louisiana Tech University—sooner.
>   Thus said, I have a few question. Is there anything NFBI or national can do to make it so that the visual disabilities program doesn’t discriminate against anyone in future or make them feel “chased away”? Has anyone you know graduated from there who is blind or low vision? How about what would you recommend to me and the other 3 students who are in the midst of changing majors—did we do the right thing? I am taken aback at how the program has chosen to deal with blind and sighted students alike and was surprised to hear it echoed across many fronts this semester. Can the federation step in and fight for us—or if not us because it may be too late—other blind people who have yet to enter the program? And 1 last question, did anyone around here get the teaching certification another way and then enter tech because that’s what I am now facing. Even if I didn’t get it, I plan to be there in due time for the rehabilitation teaching and o&M programs. That limits the possibilities by a third if I didn’t get a teaching degree though, which makes me disappointed because I thought I had it made at NIU.  Thank you for bearing with me, and I really look forward to any feedback—legal or otherwise.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Macbook Pro 13
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 20 23:40:46 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 18:40:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] What is the best format for citing in Mla format?
Message-ID: <58323499.e319370a.6c6f7.ad59@mx.google.com>

You have to get your book either as a publisher file as a scan 
from your DSS or from something like bookshare.  Any text or 
braille file will do as long as it preserves the original 
pagination (publisher files nearly always do, most bookshare 
books are paginated but many are not, and DSS should set their 
scanner to preserve the pagination though you should talk to them 
about this before they scan things).  As you mention, audio books 
are pretty much useless for academic purposes.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 17:59:24 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What is the best format for citing in Mla 
format?

I know Emily format but my question is what textbook format do 
you use to make citing page numbers easier? I know audiobooks do 
do not have page numbers and I'm running into a major problem

Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 20, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hi Emma, usually, you would just put the main authors last name 
and then the page number in parentheses following your direct 
quote. I recommend looking on Purdue owl for work cited page 
information. Remember, MLA has updated recently they now want to 
URL in there citation.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 20, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hey everyone,
 What is the best way to cite a page number in a text book? What 
format of textbook do you use? Please help!
 Emma

 Sent from my iPhone
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From zdreicer at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 00:00:43 2016
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 17:00:43 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] 7 plus blind or low vision students facing
 discrimination at NIU... Please help!!!!!
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I didn't even count you in my initial headcount so that makes eight now! Yes I do  remember you!!!  I hope to call you soon so maybe we can put something together about it

Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver

> On Nov 20, 2016, at 16:02, AlyssaHenson via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Zach,
> You probably remember me as i am one of the people that showed you around. I experienced similar difficulties with the classes you mentioned.  I also had issues with the advanced Braille course which you would be taking in the spring. I'm glad someone is finally taking steps to address the issues.  I wish I would have done the same. You can feel free to email me off list if you have any additional questions regarding my experience.
> Warm regards,
> Alyssa
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2016, at 5:06 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning federationists,
>>  Please forgive me in advance, this is going to be a long email. I am disappointed to inform you that 7 students, including myself, are facing or have faced  discrimination by a program at a university whose aim is to teach blind students. Perhaps there are more that I don’t know of, and if this is the case, it would be great to know of their experiences.  The program is in the school of special education at Northern Illinois University main campus in DeKalb, West side Chicago, Illinois. There are 7 confirme cases of discrimination and/or difficulty to complete assigned coursework in the visual disabilities program, between the programs at both the undergraduate and graduate level. What’s more disappointing to me is that in this semester alone, 4 blind students including myself have elected to change our majors because of the difficulties we face. 
>>  Obviously for me to be writing these statistics something is terribly wrong here…So I should explain further that the reasons compiled or most noted are lack of adaptation by course instructors, discouragement by some instructors for blind people to participate actively and fully, lack of knowledge by sighted colleagues of how to help the blind students in the class, lack of teaching proper cane/guide dog use skills early, and problems with conflicting philosophy. As far as I know, 3 of the 3 students who have already changed their major and started down a new career path have not sought assistance from resources at Northern Illinois University or the National Federation of the Blind, and the same can be said of 3 of the 4 students making the transition over the upcoming holiday vacation. Some have directly told me that they decided to leave quietly, thinking their voices wouldn’t be heard and that they would not be able to make a difference with just 1 person. They encouraged me to do the same, and although I’m changing majors for the sole reason of keeping my high grade point average that way going into the latter part of my undergraduate career, I am not leaving without making a lasting impact on the visual disabilities program…and I need your help. 6 of the 7 students do not know the National Federation of the Blind as far as I know, and they are strictly reliant on the disability resource center and the department of vocational rehabilitation of Illinois. Yours truly however knows all 3.
>>  The first issue, and the one I find of most importance…is the discrimination that blind students are faced with in this program at both the undergraduate and graduate level. I am in my 1st block of classes—introduction to teaching students with visual impairments, introduction to Orientation and Mobility, Introduction to Braille which I tested out of, and The Anatomy and Pathology of the Eye. jOf those 3 classes where I am participating, I know that the hardest one for me is Introduction to teaching students with visual impairments. The class is to teach students to develop and teach lessons according to EDTPA standards. In this class, there are 2 obvious red flags. The first is its sequence in the program, when students are concurrently enrolled in Introduction to Braille. Most sighted students—and a few blind students—were not proficient at Braille and taking the 2 classes at the same time. This has an automatic drawback in my mind, the sighted students have no idea yet about adaptive tech or Braille and the program is about teaching blind students. This is not so hard to overcome because they will learn the skills in due time,  although I’ve had several sighted students approach me regarding this class apologizing to me that they don’t know how to adapt their lessons, which I forgave them but told them some very simple strategies to adapt with little to no stress for them. I have put 2 other blind students in the class in charge also of talking to other sighted classmates, but they gave up after only a few tries and no success. The other red flag is the more major one in my mind, it stares everyone in the face during each lesson plan. I copied and pasted the section of the instructions of each lesson I refer to below, and it clearly spells out discrimination. “...You are pre-teaching this so that the student is more prepared for the class discussion and activities.  Select one or more CONCEPTS that will help the student understand the content more fully.  The student is a print reader and all materials must be in print.  We will assume that you would provide appropriate modifications tailored to the student’s vision skills determined through functional vision and learning media assessments.  For this exercise, however, use standard print materials but it is fair to address any concepts that you think would be particularly difficult for a student.” This spells out that NO blind students can be participating as students in the lesson, they can only participate as teachers. Furthermore it makes the assumption that the students know how to perform assessments to determine usable vision, and that has not even been taught. It is important to note that many sighted students want to teach the blind students in the class, (I.E.) the blind students in the class could be the blind students in the lesson scenario. Also of importance to note is that the groups of students consist of 3 to 4 students, and it is 1 to 1 ratio of teacher and student so the other students just sit and observe. It is also hard to sift through the CCSS standards, and half the time the teacher reports back to me that I didn’t do the best standard for my assignment. There are other various reasons for point deduction, but I feel that I am doing the best I can from the instruction given. There are also video observations of classrooms for undergraduate students, which is second to being able to observe a live classroom like the graduate students do. This is less of a concern to me, although it would be much more beneficial if every student had the same experience—even if they were partnered up to go on observations. Across other classes… in Orientation and Mobility, except for the blind students, nobody is using a cane or guide dog. An overwhelming majority of the class is lecture, and when we are out on travel, it’s all done under blindfold and teaching sighted guide and protective techniques with hands at different positions—which is agreeably important but far from the comprehensive skills that need to be covered to make it effective and safe. I’ve learned that there is an advanced O&M class open to graduates only that teaches cane travel skills, meaning that all the undergraduates get is the basic class without the cane. Also there are major philosophy differences from what I know to what is being taught in that class. As 2 examples, students are instructed that it is not safe or responsible to leave a blind student unattended when they step away to check in to a hotel or restaurant, and that blind people should use paratransit services or sit immediately behind the operator of the public transit vehicle in the priority seating area, making others move if need be. One particular lesson that had the sighted students wandering around lost, sounding very similar to #HowEyeSeeIt earlier this year was learning their way around a grocery store under blindfold while holding the elbow of another classmate. This included going to and from the store using public transportation.  Obviously the first part could not apply to me exactly as instructed, and I questioned the legality of guiding a sighted student off of campus with no cane, sighting the fact that I could be held liable for someone who had no experience in the proper techniques if they were in any way hurt or whatever. I ended up instructing as I was taught during my training at the Colorado Center for the Blind and the sighted student traveled to and from the store without blindfold. I got an additional opportunity to work with another student who wanted to see how a compitent blind person travels. But this is highly unfair to blind and sighted people alike because this not the way anyone would learn to get around the store. The lesson was that the blind partner would be able to walk into a store and grab something off the shelf if the sighted person show them how to get there and to the specific item. I feel this is not a fair lesson because items’ locations may change and this leaves the blind person to have to try and try again to find an item that was moved. In anatomy of the eye, the instructor is doing their best to talk about the functions of everything, but a good tactual representation of everything would make it make much more sense. We dissected a cow’s eye which gave me at least a little better understanding, but my partner did most of the work even though I had my hands all over the area where the eye was being dicected. The same instructor teaches O&M and anatomy and is a really nice person but my final comment about them is they adjust scores up so it doesn’t accurately reflect how a student is doing, regardless of if they are passing or failing. 
>>  I have heard from people that have continued passed these introductory classes that in clinical, they are having issues including but not limited to not being able to actively participate because of lack of access to material in a format that can be comprehended. I also have experienced their other issue, the instructors are always saying to have the students use whatever remaining vision they have or to rely on their resource teacher. I do not know a blind student in the undergraduate or graduate level who has successfully graduated the visual disabilities program at Northern Illinois University.
>>  It was my goal since 2013 when someone forwarded info about a scholarship to attend NIU to the National Association of Blind Students to get to Chicago asap so I could learn how to teach students like me in a variety of environments. I kept looking for ways to go to Chicago starting during my CCB training, but my parents wanted me to stay in Colorado because it is nearer to where they live. So I compromised and started my undergraduate work in Greeley at University of Northern Colorado, NIU still on the forefront of my mind. In April of last year, I received an invitation to the spring seminar of the Illinois Association of Blind Students because of my membership on Illinois NFB lists, and I jumped on the cheapest flight I could find. I went out a day early to go to NIU and explore, and 1 of the 7 students I gave mention to showed me around a little but that barely scratched the surface. In the middle of October of 2015 was when I declared to everyone that I could obtain a undergraduate degree at NIU as what I wanted to more quickly advance to a masters in quicker time than I could get it in Greeley, sighting the fact that an undergraduate TVI program didn’t exist in Greeley. I jumped on the cheapest plane, toured around Chicago with a friend for a few days, and enrolled in NIU the last day before I went back to Denver  I was highly impressed with the disability resource center’s services, in particular the fact that they told me they have an on sight Braille transcriber and an electronic text coordinator who would get me all the materials I needed only by me submitting a receipt and making a simple request in person or online including the proof of purchase. It sounded too good to be true, but I quickly found out that this disability resource center really knows their stuff and have been greatful to work with them since. Speaking of them, my case manager put me in contact with some of the people that are higher up in the department and is trying to help me troubleshoot as best as they can, but they said it’s more up to the student to do that and that DRC would be there to assist along the way as necessary. I made it through my 1st winter in Chicago with a 3.4 and went into this semester on a good grade from a summer class.
>>  Only 2 airlines leaving Chicago serve the airport closest to my home. I flew through Denver on United on my way home yesterday marking the start of Thanksgiving break, and as I got on my connecting flight and the safety video began, I had time to reflect on everything to myself and I really missed my times in Denver and thought for a little bit of going  back. Walking outside and up the jet bridge to get my hour’s long flight home from there was what really got me thinking. But I knew I couldn’t easily switch again and I quickly convinced myself of it, with the number of friends I made around Chicago and the promises of being able to be done a year sooner in my new major of rehabilitation services, thereby getting me to my next adventure—Louisiana Tech University—sooner.
>>  Thus said, I have a few question. Is there anything NFBI or national can do to make it so that the visual disabilities program doesn’t discriminate against anyone in future or make them feel “chased away”? Has anyone you know graduated from there who is blind or low vision? How about what would you recommend to me and the other 3 students who are in the midst of changing majors—did we do the right thing? I am taken aback at how the program has chosen to deal with blind and sighted students alike and was surprised to hear it echoed across many fronts this semester. Can the federation step in and fight for us—or if not us because it may be too late—other blind people who have yet to enter the program? And 1 last question, did anyone around here get the teaching certification another way and then enter tech because that’s what I am now facing. Even if I didn’t get it, I plan to be there in due time for the rehabilitation teaching and o&M programs. That limits the possibilities by a third if I didn’t get a teaching degree though, which makes me disappointed because I thought I had it made at NIU.  Thank you for bearing with me, and I really look forward to any feedback—legal or otherwise.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Macbook Pro 13
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From kcj21 at bellsouth.net  Mon Nov 21 00:13:51 2016
From: kcj21 at bellsouth.net (Kaley Jemison)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 19:13:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] What is the best format for citing in Mla format?
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I have also had this issue on several occasions. I told my professor about it and got her permission to list the chapter number instead of the page number.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 20, 2016, at 5:59 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I know Emily format but my question is what textbook format do you use to make citing page numbers easier? I know audiobooks do do not have page numbers and I'm running into a major problem 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Emma, usually, you would just put the main authors last name and then the page number in parentheses following your direct quote. I recommend looking on Purdue owl for work cited page information. Remember, MLA has updated recently they now want to URL in there citation.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 20, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey everyone,
>>> What is the best way to cite a page number in a text book? What format of textbook do you use? Please help!
>>> Emma
>>> 
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 21 00:38:24 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 19:38:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Law School's Power Over Readers for Outside of Class
 Work Paid for by the state
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Amy,
I think this is a good question for the blind lawyers list or a blind lawyer 
such as Scott Labarre.

Since people with disablities by definition cannot do something, it seems to 
me a reasonable accommodation to use the assistance of another human to do 
the tasks you cannot do. Hearing impaired people use interpreters, a 
paraplegitic uses a personal care attendant to assist in transfering from 
wheelchairs, and blind people can and should use readers.

So, what you are using the reader for seems perfectly legal and an 
acceptable accommodation.

Also, I'm not sure how your school would find out that you used someone's 
help to do your homework anyway.

So, no I do not see how the school can penalize you for using outside 
assistance to mitigate your disability.

Ashley

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Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 10:02 PM
To: andrew edgcumbe via Nabs-L
Cc: Aimee Harwood
Subject: [nabs-l] Law School's Power Over Readers for Outside of Class Work 
Paid for by the state

Greetings everyone,

I am getting a reader who is paid by the state.  This reader will perform 
reading of any material for school purposes that I need them to read.  They 
will also proof any assignments before I hand them in.  I will use them 
during research to help locate something on the screen that is hard to 
locate it is too time consuming to navigate to just to get that one bit of 
info. Basically the individual will assist with anything vision related.

My school assigns a judicial opinion the first semester of the 1L year. All 
graded assignments have restrictions on students getting outside assistance. 
We are not allowed to let anyone see our work or assist us in any way 
regarding the assignment including research. If a student violates any of 
the restrictions, they violate the honor code.

Now that you have the basic situation, can the school penalize me for using 
a reader to assist me in any visual aspect of the assignment? If I use the 
reader to verify the formatting or point out any issues they see that I may 
have missed because I didn't see it?  What about penalizing me for using the 
reader to assist in research to find what I ask them to find  or highlight 
what I ask them to highlight? Basically, can they penalize me for the reader 
performing non-essential tasks on graded assignments?  How much control does 
the school have over the person paid by the state to assist with outside of 
class activities as long as I am the one doing the legal work?



Aimee

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From dragoshi11 at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 21 15:37:29 2016
From: dragoshi11 at hotmail.com (Rilind Dragoshi)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 15:37:29 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] What is the best format for citing in Mla format
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Hello Emma.
>From my experiences with citations I find with audio books if there is some e kind of section or title number I cite that in parenthesis. However, it's important to ask for permission to do this and explain the situation beforehand to the professor.
On another topic where it was mentioned that at times the audio material isn't helpful. As far as whether to use such material, one recommendation I have is that before a course if you found a required reading in audio/kindle, it's good to confirm if you will be able to use that particular text: basically keeping in mind the obvious fact that with that you won't be able to see the spelling of words, will have to cite differently such as time or section/chapter, and will not be able to use the direct quotations. The spelling is usually not an issue as it is shown in PowerPoints, etc. In my view from my experience the only time an audio book would not be good is if it was for some kind of stats or language course where you were learning a task or learning a language, where spelling is also important, and also in a case where the professor required longer direct quote citations. I will even add here though that even in such a case I have often been able to just go to that section of the book, listen to a part of a sentence or sentence, and accurately use it in a quote.  

The other issue that at times comes when using MLA and other formats is when if there is a document where the pages do not show with the screen reader. This is rare but has happened to me before in a PDF document. In that case if that issue occurred, then I followed the recommendation of one of my professors, who had me send him the document in a word format and then just use the page numbers of the word document itself as citations. Of course it's always good to ask when any of these issues come up to verify if this is okay or if there is something different the professor expects.
Hope this helps:

Rilind.

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   4. Re: What is the best format for citing in Mla format?
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   7. Re: What is the best format for citing in Mla format?
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   8. Re: 7 plus blind or low vision students facing discrimination
      at NIU... Please help!!!!! (AlyssaHenson)
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      (Karl Martin Adam)
  10. Re: 7 plus blind or low vision students facing discrimination
      at NIU... Please help!!!!! (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
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  12. Re: Law School's Power Over Readers for Outside of Class Work
      Paid for by the state (Ashley Bramlett)


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Hey Everyone,


Tonight will be a fun and exciting fundraising committee meeting!  As Washington Seminar approaches the excitement and anticipation for the annual NABS Cafe and student seminar is palpable!


Please find attached the agenda for tonights meeting.  The meeting will be at 8pm central time and the number to call in as always is (605)475-6700 and the PIN is 7869673.  I'm always anxious to hear the opinions of our existing committee members and welcome those of you who may have unique and progressive ideas to share tonight.  If you have any questions between now and then please do not hesitate to ask.


Best regards,

Luke A. Schwinck

Treasurer

Fundraising Committee Chair

National Association of Blind Students

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Hello other Mac user,

I will do my best to be there. Church unfortunately comes first but I can call in from the ride home. 

Tori.

Black Hawk Chapter President National Federation of the Blind of Illinois. 
Younique presenter
309-373-2830

> On Nov 20, 2016, at 10:37 AM, luke schwinck via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey Everyone,
> 
> 
> Tonight will be a fun and exciting fundraising committee meeting!  As Washington Seminar approaches the excitement and anticipation for the annual NABS Cafe and student seminar is palpable!
> 
> 
> Please find attached the agenda for tonights meeting.  The meeting will be at 8pm central time and the number to call in as always is (605)475-6700 and the PIN is 7869673.  I'm always anxious to hear the opinions of our existing committee members and welcome those of you who may have unique and progressive ideas to share tonight.  If you have any questions between now and then please do not hesitate to ask.
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Luke A. Schwinck
> 
> Treasurer
> 
> Fundraising Committee Chair
> 
> National Association of Blind Students
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 17:07:16 -0500
From: Emma Mitchell <emitchell927 at gmail.com>
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Subject: [nabs-l] What is the best format for citing in Mla format?
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Hey everyone,
What is the best way to cite a page number in a text book? What format of textbook do you use? Please help!
Emma

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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 17:21:33 -0500
From: Kaley Jemison <kcj21 at bellsouth.net>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What is the best format for citing in Mla
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Hi Emma, usually, you would just put the main authors last name and then the page number in parentheses following your direct quote. I recommend looking on Purdue owl for work cited page information. Remember, MLA has updated recently they now want to URL in there citation.

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> On Nov 20, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone,
> What is the best way to cite a page number in a text book? What format of textbook do you use? Please help!
> Emma
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 17:32:16 -0500
From: roanna bacchus <rbacchus228 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What is the best format for citing in Mla
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Hi Emma I use the MLA format for citing page numbers.  I use 
electronic texts that have been provided to me by my Dss office.



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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 17:52:35 -0500
From: "Kathryn Webster, NABS President" <nabs.president at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Legislative Committee meeting
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Very much looking forward to tonight's call!
Thanks for all you do, Michael!

Talk to many of you soon,
Kathryn

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Dear NABSters:
	The time for the legislative committee meeting is upon us once again! Please join us at 8:00 P.M. Eastern, Sunday November 20, as we have a lot to discuss!
Call in number: 605-475-6700
Access code: 7869673
	I look forward to hearing all of the wonderful things we have accomplished, since last we spoke!
Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun

National Association of Blind Students
Legislative Committee Agenda:
?	Introductions
?	AIM-HEA
o	What it is
o	Our role
o	Letters
?	Student testimonials
?	University support
?	SGA Support
?	Washington Seminar
o	When is it
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 17:59:24 -0500
From: Emma Mitchell <emitchell927 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What is the best format for citing in Mla
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I know Emily format but my question is what textbook format do you use to make citing page numbers easier? I know audiobooks do do not have page numbers and I'm running into a major problem 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 20, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Emma, usually, you would just put the main authors last name and then the page number in parentheses following your direct quote. I recommend looking on Purdue owl for work cited page information. Remember, MLA has updated recently they now want to URL in there citation.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey everyone,
>> What is the best way to cite a page number in a text book? What format of textbook do you use? Please help!
>> Emma
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 18:02:30 -0500
From: AlyssaHenson <alyssahenson95 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] 7 plus blind or low vision students facing
	discrimination at NIU... Please help!!!!!
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Hello Zach,
You probably remember me as i am one of the people that showed you around. I experienced similar difficulties with the classes you mentioned.  I also had issues with the advanced Braille course which you would be taking in the spring. I'm glad someone is finally taking steps to address the issues.  I wish I would have done the same. You can feel free to email me off list if you have any additional questions regarding my experience.
Warm regards,
Alyssa

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> On Nov 20, 2016, at 5:06 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good morning federationists,
>   Please forgive me in advance, this is going to be a long email. I am disappointed to inform you that 7 students, including myself, are facing or have faced  discrimination by a program at a university whose aim is to teach blind students. Perhaps there are more that I don?t know of, and if this is the case, it would be great to know of their experiences.  The program is in the school of special education at Northern Illinois University main campus in DeKalb, West side Chicago, Illinois. There are 7 confirme cases of discrimination and/or difficulty to complete assigned coursework in the visual disabilities program, between the programs at both the undergraduate and graduate level. What?s more disappointing to me is that in this semester alone, 4 blind students including myself have elected to change our majors because of the difficulties we face. 
>   Obviously for me to be writing these statistics something is terribly wrong here?So I should explain further that the reasons compiled or most noted are lack of adaptation by course instructors, discouragement by some instructors for blind people to participate actively and fully, lack of knowledge by sighted colleagues of how to help the blind students in the class, lack of teaching proper cane/guide dog use skills early, and problems with conflicting philosophy. As far as I know, 3 of the 3 students who have already changed their major and started down a new career path have not sought assistance from resources at Northern Illinois University or the National Federation of the Blind, and the same can be said of 3 of the 4 students making the transition over the upcoming holiday vacation. Some have directly told me that they decided to leave quietly, thinking their voices wouldn?t be heard and that they would not be able to make a difference with just 1 person. They encouraged me to do the same, and although I?m changing majors for the sole reason of keeping my high grade point average that way going into the latter part of my undergraduate career, I am not leaving without making a lasting impact on the visual disabilities program?and I need your help. 6 of the 7 students do not know the National Federation of the Blind as far as I know, and they are strictly reliant on the disability resource center and the department of vocational rehabilitation of Illinois. Yours truly however knows all 3.
>   The first issue, and the one I find of most importance?is the discrimination that blind students are faced with in this program at both the undergraduate and graduate level. I am in my 1st block of classes?introduction to teaching students with visual impairments, introduction to Orientation and Mobility, Introduction to Braille which I tested out of, and The Anatomy and Pathology of the Eye. jOf those 3 classes where I am participating, I know that the hardest one for me is Introduction to teaching students with visual impairments. The class is to teach students to develop and teach lessons according to EDTPA standards. In this class, there are 2 obvious red flags. The first is its sequence in the program, when students are concurrently enrolled in Introduction to Braille. Most sighted students?and a few blind students?were not proficient at Braille and taking the 2 classes at the same time. This has an automatic drawback in my mind, the sighted students have no idea yet about adaptive tech or Braille and the program is about teaching blind students. This is not so hard to overcome because they will learn the skills in due time,  although I?ve had several sighted students approach me regarding this class apologizing to me that they don?t know how to adapt their lessons, which I forgave them but told them some very simple strategies to adapt with little to no stress for them. I have put 2 other blind students in the class in charge also of talking to other sighted classmates, but they gave up after only a few tries and no success. The other red flag is the more major one in my mind, it stares everyone in the face during each lesson plan. I copied and pasted the section of the instructions of each lesson I refer to below, and it clearly spells out discrimination. ?...You are pre-teaching this so that the student is more prepared for the class discussion and activities.  Select one or more CONCEPTS that will help the student understand the content more fully.  The student is a print reader and all materials must be in print.  We will assume that you would provide appropriate modifications tailored to the student?s vision skills determined through functional vision and learning media assessments.  For this exercise, however, use standard print materials but it is fair to address any concepts that you think would be particularly difficult for a student.? This spells out that NO blind students can be participating as students in the lesson, they can only participate as teachers. Furthermore it makes the assumption that the students know how to perform assessments to determine usable vision, and that has not even been taught. It is important to note that many sighted students want to teach the blind students in the class, (I.E.) the blind students in the class could be the blind students in the lesson scenario. Also of importance to note is that the groups of students consist of 3 to 4 students, and it is 1 to 1 ratio of teacher and student so the other students just sit and observe. It is also hard to sift through the CCSS standards, and half the time the teacher reports back to me that I didn?t do the best standard for my assignment. There are other various reasons for point deduction, but I feel that I am doing the best I can from the instruction given. There are also video observations of classrooms for undergraduate students, which is second to being able to observe a live classroom like the graduate students do. This is less of a concern to me, although it would be much more beneficial if every student had the same experience?even if they were partnered up to go on observations. Across other classes? in Orientation and Mobility, except for the blind students, nobody is using a cane or guide dog. An overwhelming majority of the class is lecture, and when we are out on travel, it?s all done under blindfold and teaching sighted guide and protective techniques with hands at different positions?which is agreeably important but far from the comprehensive skills that need to be covered to make it effective and safe. I?ve learned that there is an advanced O&M class open to graduates only that teaches cane travel skills, meaning that all the undergraduates get is the basic class without the cane. Also there are major philosophy differences from what I know to what is being taught in that class. As 2 examples, students are instructed that it is not safe or responsible to leave a blind student unattended when they step away to check in to a hotel or restaurant, and that blind people should use paratransit services or sit immediately behind the operator of the public transit vehicle in the priority seating area, making others move if need be. One particular lesson that had the sighted students wandering around lost, sounding very similar to #HowEyeSeeIt earlier this year was learning their way around a grocery store under blindfold while holding the elbow of another classmate. This included going to and from the store using public transportation.  Obviously the first part could not apply to me exactly as instructed, and I questioned the legality of guiding a sighted student off of campus with no cane, sighting the fact that I could be held liable for someone who had no experience in the proper techniques if they were in any way hurt or whatever. I ended up instructing as I was taught during my training at the Colorado Center for the Blind and the sighted student traveled to and from the store without blindfold. I got an additional opportunity to work with another student who wanted to see how a compitent blind person travels. But this is highly unfair to blind and sighted people alike because this not the way anyone would learn to get around the store. The lesson was that the blind partner would be able to walk into a store and grab something off the shelf if the sighted person show them how to get there and to the specific item. I feel this is not a fair lesson because items? locations may change and this leaves the blind person to have to try and try again to find an item that was moved. In anatomy of the eye, the instructor is doing their best to talk about the functions of everything, but a good tactual representation of everything would make it make much more sense. We dissected a cow?s eye which gave me at least a little better understanding, but my partner did most of the work even though I had my hands all over the area where the eye was being dicected. The same instructor teaches O&M and anatomy and is a really nice person but my final comment about them is they adjust scores up so it doesn?t accurately reflect how a student is doing, regardless of if they are passing or failing. 
>   I have heard from people that have continued passed these introductory classes that in clinical, they are having issues including but not limited to not being able to actively participate because of lack of access to material in a format that can be comprehended. I also have experienced their other issue, the instructors are always saying to have the students use whatever remaining vision they have or to rely on their resource teacher. I do not know a blind student in the undergraduate or graduate level who has successfully graduated the visual disabilities program at Northern Illinois University.
>   It was my goal since 2013 when someone forwarded info about a scholarship to attend NIU to the National Association of Blind Students to get to Chicago asap so I could learn how to teach students like me in a variety of environments. I kept looking for ways to go to Chicago starting during my CCB training, but my parents wanted me to stay in Colorado because it is nearer to where they live. So I compromised and started my undergraduate work in Greeley at University of Northern Colorado, NIU still on the forefront of my mind. In April of last year, I received an invitation to the spring seminar of the Illinois Association of Blind Students because of my membership on Illinois NFB lists, and I jumped on the cheapest flight I could find. I went out a day early to go to NIU and explore, and 1 of the 7 students I gave mention to showed me around a little but that barely scratched the surface. In the middle of October of 2015 was when I declared to everyone that I could obtain a undergraduate degree at NIU as what I wanted to more quickly advance to a masters in quicker time than I could get it in Greeley, sighting the fact that an undergraduate TVI program didn?t exist in Greeley. I jumped on the cheapest plane, toured around Chicago with a friend for a few days, and enrolled in NIU the last day before I went back to Denver  I was highly impressed with the disability resource center?s services, in particular the fact that they told me they have an on sight Braille transcriber and an electronic text coordinator who would get me all the materials I needed only by me submitting a receipt and making a simple request in person or online including the proof of purchase. It sounded too good to be true, but I quickly found out that this disability resource center really knows their stuff and have been greatful to work with them since. Speaking of them, my case manager put me in contact with some of the people that are higher up in the department and is trying to help me troubleshoot as best as they can, but they said it?s more up to the student to do that and that DRC would be there to assist along the way as necessary. I made it through my 1st winter in Chicago with a 3.4 and went into this semester on a good grade from a summer class.
>   Only 2 airlines leaving Chicago serve the airport closest to my home. I flew through Denver on United on my way home yesterday marking the start of Thanksgiving break, and as I got on my connecting flight and the safety video began, I had time to reflect on everything to myself and I really missed my times in Denver and thought for a little bit of going  back. Walking outside and up the jet bridge to get my hour?s long flight home from there was what really got me thinking. But I knew I couldn?t easily switch again and I quickly convinced myself of it, with the number of friends I made around Chicago and the promises of being able to be done a year sooner in my new major of rehabilitation services, thereby getting me to my next adventure?Louisiana Tech University?sooner.
>   Thus said, I have a few question. Is there anything NFBI or national can do to make it so that the visual disabilities program doesn?t discriminate against anyone in future or make them feel ?chased away?? Has anyone you know graduated from there who is blind or low vision? How about what would you recommend to me and the other 3 students who are in the midst of changing majors?did we do the right thing? I am taken aback at how the program has chosen to deal with blind and sighted students alike and was surprised to hear it echoed across many fronts this semester. Can the federation step in and fight for us?or if not us because it may be too late?other blind people who have yet to enter the program? And 1 last question, did anyone around here get the teaching certification another way and then enter tech because that?s what I am now facing. Even if I didn?t get it, I plan to be there in due time for the rehabilitation teaching and o&M programs. That limits the possibilities by a third if I didn?t get a teaching degree though, which makes me disappointed because I thought I had it made at NIU.  Thank you for bearing with me, and I really look forward to any feedback?legal or otherwise.
> 
> 
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 18:40:46 -0500
From: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
	list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What is the best format for citing in Mla
	format?
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed

You have to get your book either as a publisher file as a scan 
from your DSS or from something like bookshare.  Any text or 
braille file will do as long as it preserves the original 
pagination (publisher files nearly always do, most bookshare 
books are paginated but many are not, and DSS should set their 
scanner to preserve the pagination though you should talk to them 
about this before they scan things).  As you mention, audio books 
are pretty much useless for academic purposes.

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From: Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 17:59:24 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What is the best format for citing in Mla 
format?

I know Emily format but my question is what textbook format do 
you use to make citing page numbers easier? I know audiobooks do 
do not have page numbers and I'm running into a major problem

Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 20, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hi Emma, usually, you would just put the main authors last name 
and then the page number in parentheses following your direct 
quote. I recommend looking on Purdue owl for work cited page 
information. Remember, MLA has updated recently they now want to 
URL in there citation.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 20, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hey everyone,
 What is the best way to cite a page number in a text book? What 
format of textbook do you use? Please help!
 Emma

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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 17:00:43 -0700
From: "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer" <zdreicer at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] 7 plus blind or low vision students facing
	discrimination at NIU... Please help!!!!!
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Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8

I didn't even count you in my initial headcount so that makes eight now! Yes I do  remember you!!!  I hope to call you soon so maybe we can put something together about it

Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver

> On Nov 20, 2016, at 16:02, AlyssaHenson via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Zach,
> You probably remember me as i am one of the people that showed you around. I experienced similar difficulties with the classes you mentioned.  I also had issues with the advanced Braille course which you would be taking in the spring. I'm glad someone is finally taking steps to address the issues.  I wish I would have done the same. You can feel free to email me off list if you have any additional questions regarding my experience.
> Warm regards,
> Alyssa
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2016, at 5:06 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning federationists,
>>  Please forgive me in advance, this is going to be a long email. I am disappointed to inform you that 7 students, including myself, are facing or have faced  discrimination by a program at a university whose aim is to teach blind students. Perhaps there are more that I don?t know of, and if this is the case, it would be great to know of their experiences.  The program is in the school of special education at Northern Illinois University main campus in DeKalb, West side Chicago, Illinois. There are 7 confirme cases of discrimination and/or difficulty to complete assigned coursework in the visual disabilities program, between the programs at both the undergraduate and graduate level. What?s more disappointing to me is that in this semester alone, 4 blind students including myself have elected to change our majors because of the difficulties we face. 
>>  Obviously for me to be writing these statistics something is terribly wrong here?So I should explain further that the reasons compiled or most noted are lack of adaptation by course instructors, discouragement by some instructors for blind people to participate actively and fully, lack of knowledge by sighted colleagues of how to help the blind students in the class, lack of teaching proper cane/guide dog use skills early, and problems with conflicting philosophy. As far as I know, 3 of the 3 students who have already changed their major and started down a new career path have not sought assistance from resources at Northern Illinois University or the National Federation of the Blind, and the same can be said of 3 of the 4 students making the transition over the upcoming holiday vacation. Some have directly told me that they decided to leave quietly, thinking their voices wouldn?t be heard and that they would not be able to make a difference with just 1 person. They encouraged me to do the same, and although I?m changing majors for the sole reason of keeping my high grade point average that way going into the latter part of my undergraduate career, I am not leaving without making a lasting impact on the visual disabilities program?and I need your help. 6 of the 7 students do not know the National Federation of the Blind as far as I know, and they are strictly reliant on the disability resource center and the department of vocational rehabilitation of Illinois. Yours truly however knows all 3.
>>  The first issue, and the one I find of most importance?is the discrimination that blind students are faced with in this program at both the undergraduate and graduate level. I am in my 1st block of classes?introduction to teaching students with visual impairments, introduction to Orientation and Mobility, Introduction to Braille which I tested out of, and The Anatomy and Pathology of the Eye. jOf those 3 classes where I am participating, I know that the hardest one for me is Introduction to teaching students with visual impairments. The class is to teach students to develop and teach lessons according to EDTPA standards. In this class, there are 2 obvious red flags. The first is its sequence in the program, when students are concurrently enrolled in Introduction to Braille. Most sighted students?and a few blind students?were not proficient at Braille and taking the 2 classes at the same time. This has an automatic drawback in my mind, the sighted students have no idea yet about adaptive tech or Braille and the program is about teaching blind students. This is not so hard to overcome because they will learn the skills in due time,  although I?ve had several sighted students approach me regarding this class apologizing to me that they don?t know how to adapt their lessons, which I forgave them but told them some very simple strategies to adapt with little to no stress for them. I have put 2 other blind students in the class in charge also of talking to other sighted classmates, but they gave up after only a few tries and no success. The other red flag is the more major one in my mind, it stares everyone in the face during each lesson plan. I copied and pasted the section of the instructions of each lesson I refer to below, and it clearly spells out discrimination. ?...You are pre-teaching this so that the student is more prepared for the class discussion and activities.  Select one or more CONCEPTS that will help the student understand the content more fully.  The student is a print reader and all materials must be in print.  We will assume that you would provide appropriate modifications tailored to the student?s vision skills determined through functional vision and learning media assessments.  For this exercise, however, use standard print materials but it is fair to address any concepts that you think would be particularly difficult for a student.? This spells out that NO blind students can be participating as students in the lesson, they can only participate as teachers. Furthermore it makes the assumption that the students know how to perform assessments to determine usable vision, and that has not even been taught. It is important to note that many sighted students want to teach the blind students in the class, (I.E.) the blind students in the class could be the blind students in the lesson scenario. Also of importance to note is that the groups of students consist of 3 to 4 students, and it is 1 to 1 ratio of teacher and student so the other students just sit and observe. It is also hard to sift through the CCSS standards, and half the time the teacher reports back to me that I didn?t do the best standard for my assignment. There are other various reasons for point deduction, but I feel that I am doing the best I can from the instruction given. There are also video observations of classrooms for undergraduate students, which is second to being able to observe a live classroom like the graduate students do. This is less of a concern to me, although it would be much more beneficial if every student had the same experience?even if they were partnered up to go on observations. Across other classes? in Orientation and Mobility, except for the blind students, nobody is using a cane or guide dog. An overwhelming majority of the class is lecture, and when we are out on travel, it?s all done under blindfold and teaching sighted guide and protective techniques with hands at different positions?which is agreeably important but far from the comprehensive skills that need to be covered to make it effective and safe. I?ve learned that there is an advanced O&M class open to graduates only that teaches cane travel skills, meaning that all the undergraduates get is the basic class without the cane. Also there are major philosophy differences from what I know to what is being taught in that class. As 2 examples, students are instructed that it is not safe or responsible to leave a blind student unattended when they step away to check in to a hotel or restaurant, and that blind people should use paratransit services or sit immediately behind the operator of the public transit vehicle in the priority seating area, making others move if need be. One particular lesson that had the sighted students wandering around lost, sounding very similar to #HowEyeSeeIt earlier this year was learning their way around a grocery store under blindfold while holding the elbow of another classmate. This included going to and from the store using public transportation.  Obviously the first part could not apply to me exactly as instructed, and I questioned the legality of guiding a sighted student off of campus with no cane, sighting the fact that I could be held liable for someone who had no experience in the proper techniques if they were in any way hurt or whatever. I ended up instructing as I was taught during my training at the Colorado Center for the Blind and the sighted student traveled to and from the store without blindfold. I got an additional opportunity to work with another student who wanted to see how a compitent blind person travels. But this is highly unfair to blind and sighted people alike because this not the way anyone would learn to get around the store. The lesson was that the blind partner would be able to walk into a store and grab something off the shelf if the sighted person show them how to get there and to the specific item. I feel this is not a fair lesson because items? locations may change and this leaves the blind person to have to try and try again to find an item that was moved. In anatomy of the eye, the instructor is doing their best to talk about the functions of everything, but a good tactual representation of everything would make it make much more sense. We dissected a cow?s eye which gave me at least a little better understanding, but my partner did most of the work even though I had my hands all over the area where the eye was being dicected. The same instructor teaches O&M and anatomy and is a really nice person but my final comment about them is they adjust scores up so it doesn?t accurately reflect how a student is doing, regardless of if they are passing or failing. 
>>  I have heard from people that have continued passed these introductory classes that in clinical, they are having issues including but not limited to not being able to actively participate because of lack of access to material in a format that can be comprehended. I also have experienced their other issue, the instructors are always saying to have the students use whatever remaining vision they have or to rely on their resource teacher. I do not know a blind student in the undergraduate or graduate level who has successfully graduated the visual disabilities program at Northern Illinois University.
>>  It was my goal since 2013 when someone forwarded info about a scholarship to attend NIU to the National Association of Blind Students to get to Chicago asap so I could learn how to teach students like me in a variety of environments. I kept looking for ways to go to Chicago starting during my CCB training, but my parents wanted me to stay in Colorado because it is nearer to where they live. So I compromised and started my undergraduate work in Greeley at University of Northern Colorado, NIU still on the forefront of my mind. In April of last year, I received an invitation to the spring seminar of the Illinois Association of Blind Students because of my membership on Illinois NFB lists, and I jumped on the cheapest flight I could find. I went out a day early to go to NIU and explore, and 1 of the 7 students I gave mention to showed me around a little but that barely scratched the surface. In the middle of October of 2015 was when I declared to everyone that I could obtain a undergraduate degree at NIU as what I wanted to more quickly advance to a masters in quicker time than I could get it in Greeley, sighting the fact that an undergraduate TVI program didn?t exist in Greeley. I jumped on the cheapest plane, toured around Chicago with a friend for a few days, and enrolled in NIU the last day before I went back to Denver  I was highly impressed with the disability resource center?s services, in particular the fact that they told me they have an on sight Braille transcriber and an electronic text coordinator who would get me all the materials I needed only by me submitting a receipt and making a simple request in person or online including the proof of purchase. It sounded too good to be true, but I quickly found out that this disability resource center really knows their stuff and have been greatful to work with them since. Speaking of them, my case manager put me in contact with some of the people that are higher up in the department and is trying to help me troubleshoot as best as they can, but they said it?s more up to the student to do that and that DRC would be there to assist along the way as necessary. I made it through my 1st winter in Chicago with a 3.4 and went into this semester on a good grade from a summer class.
>>  Only 2 airlines leaving Chicago serve the airport closest to my home. I flew through Denver on United on my way home yesterday marking the start of Thanksgiving break, and as I got on my connecting flight and the safety video began, I had time to reflect on everything to myself and I really missed my times in Denver and thought for a little bit of going  back. Walking outside and up the jet bridge to get my hour?s long flight home from there was what really got me thinking. But I knew I couldn?t easily switch again and I quickly convinced myself of it, with the number of friends I made around Chicago and the promises of being able to be done a year sooner in my new major of rehabilitation services, thereby getting me to my next adventure?Louisiana Tech University?sooner.
>>  Thus said, I have a few question. Is there anything NFBI or national can do to make it so that the visual disabilities program doesn?t discriminate against anyone in future or make them feel ?chased away?? Has anyone you know graduated from there who is blind or low vision? How about what would you recommend to me and the other 3 students who are in the midst of changing majors?did we do the right thing? I am taken aback at how the program has chosen to deal with blind and sighted students alike and was surprised to hear it echoed across many fronts this semester. Can the federation step in and fight for us?or if not us because it may be too late?other blind people who have yet to enter the program? And 1 last question, did anyone around here get the teaching certification another way and then enter tech because that?s what I am now facing. Even if I didn?t get it, I plan to be there in due time for the rehabilitation teaching and o&M programs. That limits the possibilities by a third if I didn?t get a teaching degree though, which makes me disappointed because I thought I had it made at NIU.  Thank you for bearing with me, and I really look forward to any feedback?legal or otherwise.
>> 
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Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 19:13:51 -0500
From: Kaley Jemison <kcj21 at bellsouth.net>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What is the best format for citing in Mla
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I have also had this issue on several occasions. I told my professor about it and got her permission to list the chapter number instead of the page number.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 20, 2016, at 5:59 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I know Emily format but my question is what textbook format do you use to make citing page numbers easier? I know audiobooks do do not have page numbers and I'm running into a major problem 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Nov 20, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Emma, usually, you would just put the main authors last name and then the page number in parentheses following your direct quote. I recommend looking on Purdue owl for work cited page information. Remember, MLA has updated recently they now want to URL in there citation.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 20, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey everyone,
>>> What is the best way to cite a page number in a text book? What format of textbook do you use? Please help!
>>> Emma
>>> 
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 19:38:24 -0500
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Law School's Power Over Readers for Outside of
	Class Work Paid for by the state
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Amy,
I think this is a good question for the blind lawyers list or a blind lawyer 
such as Scott Labarre.

Since people with disablities by definition cannot do something, it seems to 
me a reasonable accommodation to use the assistance of another human to do 
the tasks you cannot do. Hearing impaired people use interpreters, a 
paraplegitic uses a personal care attendant to assist in transfering from 
wheelchairs, and blind people can and should use readers.

So, what you are using the reader for seems perfectly legal and an 
acceptable accommodation.

Also, I'm not sure how your school would find out that you used someone's 
help to do your homework anyway.

So, no I do not see how the school can penalize you for using outside 
assistance to mitigate your disability.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Aimee Harwood via NABS-L
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 10:02 PM
To: andrew edgcumbe via Nabs-L
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Subject: [nabs-l] Law School's Power Over Readers for Outside of Class Work 
Paid for by the state

Greetings everyone,

I am getting a reader who is paid by the state.  This reader will perform 
reading of any material for school purposes that I need them to read.  They 
will also proof any assignments before I hand them in.  I will use them 
during research to help locate something on the screen that is hard to 
locate it is too time consuming to navigate to just to get that one bit of 
info. Basically the individual will assist with anything vision related.

My school assigns a judicial opinion the first semester of the 1L year. All 
graded assignments have restrictions on students getting outside assistance. 
We are not allowed to let anyone see our work or assist us in any way 
regarding the assignment including research. If a student violates any of 
the restrictions, they violate the honor code.

Now that you have the basic situation, can the school penalize me for using 
a reader to assist me in any visual aspect of the assignment? If I use the 
reader to verify the formatting or point out any issues they see that I may 
have missed because I didn't see it?  What about penalizing me for using the 
reader to assist in research to find what I ask them to find  or highlight 
what I ask them to highlight? Basically, can they penalize me for the reader 
performing non-essential tasks on graded assignments?  How much control does 
the school have over the person paid by the state to assist with outside of 
class activities as long as I am the one doing the legal work?



Aimee

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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 15:50:26 2016
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 10:50:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Internal error in keymail on BN touch
Message-ID: <583317c7.0d56240a.50c50.bcab@mx.google.com>

Hi,
I'm receiving an "internal error" message in keymail on my braillenote touch.
What can I do to fix it?
What does it mean?
Thanks,
Jessica

From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Mon Nov 21 16:28:00 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 11:28:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Internal error in keymail on BN touch
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Hey,
I hope somebody can help you. I have not seen the braille note touch however so I may not be much help. First, I suggest doing a reset. I'm not sure how this is done on the touch because I have the apex but that may clear up the error possibly.
The best thing to do maybe to call humanware since this is a new product and not as many people would have it as older BrailleNote models.

> On Nov 21, 2016, at 10:50, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I'm receiving an "internal error" message in keymail on my braillenote touch.
> What can I do to fix it?
> What does it mean?
> Thanks,
> Jessica
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From dandrews at visi.com  Mon Nov 21 19:42:42 2016
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 13:42:42 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: New Mexico Commission for the Blind Tech Specialist
 Job Opening
Message-ID: <auto-000070481726@mailfront2.g2host.com>


>From: "Chong, Curtis, CFB" <Curtis.Chong at state.nm.us>
>To: "'Dave Andrews (dandrews at visi.com)'" <dandrews at visi.com>
>Subject: New Mexico Commission for the Blind Tech Specialist Job Opening
>
>Hello Dave:
>
>Can you possibly send the attached announcement out far and wide? 
>This is for a technology specialist position at the New Mexico 
>Commission for the Blind.
>
>Thank you, sir.
>
>Cordially,
>
>Curtis Chong
>
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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 21:07:36 2016
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 16:07:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] easiest way to read bookshare books on BN touch
Message-ID: <5833621f.02196b0a.5d3da.781e@mx.google.com>

Hi,
I'm having trouble reading books on my BN touch.
I'm not sure how to do it with the Victor reader app.
Can anyone help me?
Thanks,
Jessica

From rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 21:25:01 2016
From: rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com (andrew edgcumbe)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 16:25:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] cat litter box tips
Message-ID: <CAGcQ9RYKFHuVkOCm+SzcuYwK-jj0k9m3+Cv=vMXPYrM-9Eos5A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all I am getting a cat on Friday. now i am not sure if there are any cat
lovers or any who have cats but anyway How do you as a blind person clean
out the cat litter box? also how do  you manage to pick out the clumps do
you do it with your hands or do you wear gloves what do you do as it must
be harder if you can't see.

From freespirit328 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 21:40:00 2016
From: freespirit328 at gmail.com (Jennifer Aberdeen)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 16:40:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] cat litter box tips
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Hi,

If you get clumping litter, it will be easier to scoop out the waste with 
the scooper. I scoop everyday so that the room doesn't start to smell.

I do wear gloves but mostly just to protect my hands from the bleech.

After dumping the old litter in a bag, I use a garbage bag, fill the litter 
box with water and a little bleech. After dumping the water and bleech down 
the toilet, that is what I have to do in my apartment because the management 
says so, , make sure the litter box is dry before you put new litter in.

I usually do this once a week. Makes for a happy kitty!

Jen

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Subject: [nabs-l] cat litter box tips

Hi all I am getting a cat on Friday. now i am not sure if there are any cat
lovers or any who have cats but anyway How do you as a blind person clean
out the cat litter box? also how do  you manage to pick out the clumps do
you do it with your hands or do you wear gloves what do you do as it must
be harder if you can't see.
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From jameyanne at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 21:44:06 2016
From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 16:44:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] easiest way to read bookshare books on BN touch
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Jessica, you download the books in the Go Read app, which is bookshare's
app, and then when you open up the victor reader app, they should be right
there. There's a humanware tutorial here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg4TnJOcays
HTH
Jameyanne

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Subject: [nabs-l] easiest way to read bookshare books on BN touch

Hi,
I'm having trouble reading books on my BN touch.
I'm not sure how to do it with the Victor reader app.
Can anyone help me?
Thanks,
Jessica
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From rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 21:45:45 2016
From: rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com (andrew edgcumbe)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 16:45:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] cat litter box tips
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so you do actually have a scoop to scoop out the litter  or the clumps each
day?

On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 4:40 PM, Jennifer Aberdeen via NABS-L <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> If you get clumping litter, it will be easier to scoop out the waste with
> the scooper. I scoop everyday so that the room doesn't start to smell.
>
> I do wear gloves but mostly just to protect my hands from the bleech.
>
> After dumping the old litter in a bag, I use a garbage bag, fill the
> litter box with water and a little bleech. After dumping the water and
> bleech down the toilet, that is what I have to do in my apartment because
> the management says so, , make sure the litter box is dry before you put
> new litter in.
>
> I usually do this once a week. Makes for a happy kitty!
>
> Jen
>
> -----Original Message----- From: andrew edgcumbe via NABS-L
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 4:25 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
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> Subject: [nabs-l] cat litter box tips
>
>
> Hi all I am getting a cat on Friday. now i am not sure if there are any cat
> lovers or any who have cats but anyway How do you as a blind person clean
> out the cat litter box? also how do  you manage to pick out the clumps do
> you do it with your hands or do you wear gloves what do you do as it must
> be harder if you can't see.
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From freespirit328 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 21:59:25 2016
From: freespirit328 at gmail.com (Jennifer Aberdeen)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 16:59:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] cat litter box tips
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Yes, you can get them probably anywhere...I got mine at walmart.

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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cat litter box tips

so you do actually have a scoop to scoop out the litter  or the clumps each
day?

On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 4:40 PM, Jennifer Aberdeen via NABS-L <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> If you get clumping litter, it will be easier to scoop out the waste with
> the scooper. I scoop everyday so that the room doesn't start to smell.
>
> I do wear gloves but mostly just to protect my hands from the bleech.
>
> After dumping the old litter in a bag, I use a garbage bag, fill the
> litter box with water and a little bleech. After dumping the water and
> bleech down the toilet, that is what I have to do in my apartment because
> the management says so, , make sure the litter box is dry before you put
> new litter in.
>
> I usually do this once a week. Makes for a happy kitty!
>
> Jen
>
> -----Original Message----- From: andrew edgcumbe via NABS-L
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 4:25 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: andrew edgcumbe
> Subject: [nabs-l] cat litter box tips
>
>
> Hi all I am getting a cat on Friday. now i am not sure if there are any 
> cat
> lovers or any who have cats but anyway How do you as a blind person clean
> out the cat litter box? also how do  you manage to pick out the clumps do
> you do it with your hands or do you wear gloves what do you do as it must
> be harder if you can't see.
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From bre.brown24 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 22:01:35 2016
From: bre.brown24 at gmail.com (Bre Brown)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 16:01:35 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] November membership call: National Federation of the Blind
 Scholarship Program
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Greetings NABS,

 As students, we are generally not prepared to turn down free money.
With that in mind the NABS Membership Committee is pleased to present
an opportunity to learn about an excellent source of free money!
Sunday November 27th, our guest speaker Patti Chang along with a few
of our previous national scholarship winners, will be presenting on
the National Federation of the Blind Scholarship Program. Since the
deadline for applying to the National Federation of the Blind
Scholarship is March 31st, what better time to join us and to have any
and all questions answered by the Chairwoman of the NFB Scholarship
committee?

 The call will take place this Sunday November 27th at 8:00 p.m
eastern (7:00 p.m central, 6:00 p.m mountain, 5:00 p.m pacific) on our
conference line. Find the details below.

 Phone: 605-475-6700
 access code: 7869673

We are looking forward to talking to everyone on the call.

Thanks
Bre Brown

Vice President, National Association of Blind students.


From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 23:50:49 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 18:50:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] cat litter box tips
Message-ID: <58338876.8208370a.45b6.d6aa@mx.google.com>

Yes, you can get a scoop from any pet supply store or general 
purpose store like KMart.  I would never touch the poop and 
litter with my hands.  Scooping really isn't hard, you just move 
the scoop around until you feel something and then scoop under 
it.  You have to sort of dig under the surface with the scoop 
because cats bury their waste in the litter.  There are also self 
cleaning litter boxes, but they're way more trouble than they're 
worth.  Periodically you also have to dump all the litter and 
refill the box.  This is much easier as a two person job where 
one person holds the bag open if you have a roommate or partner 
who can help you, but it's doable as a one person job too.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: andrew edgcumbe via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 16:45:45 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cat litter box tips

so you do actually have a scoop to scoop out the litter  or the 
clumps each
day?

On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 4:40 PM, Jennifer Aberdeen via NABS-L <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hi,

 If you get clumping litter, it will be easier to scoop out the 
waste with
 the scooper. I scoop everyday so that the room doesn't start to 
smell.

 I do wear gloves but mostly just to protect my hands from the 
bleech.

 After dumping the old litter in a bag, I use a garbage bag, fill 
the
 litter box with water and a little bleech. After dumping the 
water and
 bleech down the toilet, that is what I have to do in my 
apartment because
 the management says so, , make sure the litter box is dry before 
you put
 new litter in.

 I usually do this once a week. Makes for a happy kitty!

 Jen

 -----Original Message----- From: andrew edgcumbe via NABS-L
 Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 4:25 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Cc: andrew edgcumbe
 Subject: [nabs-l] cat litter box tips


 Hi all I am getting a cat on Friday. now i am not sure if there 
are any cat
 lovers or any who have cats but anyway How do you as a blind 
person clean
 out the cat litter box? also how do  you manage to pick out the 
clumps do
 you do it with your hands or do you wear gloves what do you do 
as it must
 be harder if you can't see.
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From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 22 07:28:43 2016
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 07:28:43 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] 7 plus blind or low vision students facing
 discrimination at NIU... Please help!!!!!
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References: <834B7F13-0F03-4E48-AE67-D82C9DC208E7@gmail.com>
	<BB98C604-1865-409F-B348-0AC75838F9E2@gmail.com>,
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It is because, the program doing the teaching probably has no one with visual impairment in it's administration, typical story... Key decision-makers thinking they know what is best. The ADA sucks in this regard.


Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 20, 2016, at 19:02, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I didn't even count you in my initial headcount so that makes eight now! Yes I do  remember you!!!  I hope to call you soon so maybe we can put something together about it
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2016, at 16:02, AlyssaHenson via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Zach,
>> You probably remember me as i am one of the people that showed you around. I experienced similar difficulties with the classes you mentioned.  I also had issues with the advanced Braille course which you would be taking in the spring. I'm glad someone is finally taking steps to address the issues.  I wish I would have done the same. You can feel free to email me off list if you have any additional questions regarding my experience.
>> Warm regards,
>> Alyssa
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 20, 2016, at 5:06 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good morning federationists,
>>> Please forgive me in advance, this is going to be a long email. I am disappointed to inform you that 7 students, including myself, are facing or have faced  discrimination by a program at a university whose aim is to teach blind students. Perhaps there are more that I don’t know of, and if this is the case, it would be great to know of their experiences.  The program is in the school of special education at Northern Illinois University main campus in DeKalb, West side Chicago, Illinois. There are 7 confirme cases of discrimination and/or difficulty to complete assigned coursework in the visual disabilities program, between the programs at both the undergraduate and graduate level. What’s more disappointing to me is that in this semester alone, 4 blind students including myself have elected to change our majors because of the difficulties we face. 
>>> Obviously for me to be writing these statistics something is terribly wrong here…So I should explain further that the reasons compiled or most noted are lack of adaptation by course instructors, discouragement by some instructors for blind people to participate actively and fully, lack of knowledge by sighted colleagues of how to help the blind students in the class, lack of teaching proper cane/guide dog use skills early, and problems with conflicting philosophy. As far as I know, 3 of the 3 students who have already changed their major and started down a new career path have not sought assistance from resources at Northern Illinois University or the National Federation of the Blind, and the same can be said of 3 of the 4 students making the transition over the upcoming holiday vacation. Some have directly told me that they decided to leave quietly, thinking their voices wouldn’t be heard and that they would not be able to make a difference with just 1 person. They encouraged me to do the same, and although I’m changing majors for the sole reason of keeping my high grade point average that way going into the latter part of my undergraduate career, I am not leaving without making a lasting impact on the visual disabilities program…and I need your help. 6 of the 7 students do not know the National Federation of the Blind as far as I know, and they are strictly reliant on the disability resource center and the department of vocational rehabilitation of Illinois. Yours truly however knows all 3.
>>> The first issue, and the one I find of most importance…is the discrimination that blind students are faced with in this program at both the undergraduate and graduate level. I am in my 1st block of classes—introduction to teaching students with visual impairments, introduction to Orientation and Mobility, Introduction to Braille which I tested out of, and The Anatomy and Pathology of the Eye. jOf those 3 classes where I am participating, I know that the hardest one for me is Introduction to teaching students with visual impairments. The class is to teach students to develop and teach lessons according to EDTPA standards. In this class, there are 2 obvious red flags. The first is its sequence in the program, when students are concurrently enrolled in Introduction to Braille. Most sighted students—and a few blind students—were not proficient at Braille and taking the 2 classes at the same time. This has an automatic drawback in my mind, the sighted students have no idea yet about adaptive tech or Braille and the program is about teaching blind students. This is not so hard to overcome because they will learn the skills in due time,  although I’ve had several sighted students approach me regarding this class apologizing to me that they don’t know how to adapt their lessons, which I forgave them but told them some very simple strategies to adapt with little to no stress for them. I have put 2 other blind students in the class in charge also of talking to other sighted classmates, but they gave up after only a few tries and no success. The other red flag is the more major one in my mind, it stares everyone in the face during each lesson plan. I copied and pasted the section of the instructions of each lesson I refer to below, and it clearly spells out discrimination. “...You are pre-teaching this so that the student is more prepared for the class discussion and activities.  Select one or more CONCEPTS that will help the student understand the content more fully.  The student is a print reader and all materials must be in print.  We will assume that you would provide appropriate modifications tailored to the student’s vision skills determined through functional vision and learning media assessments.  For this exercise, however, use standard print materials but it is fair to address any concepts that you think would be particularly difficult for a student.” This spells out that NO blind students can be participating as students in the lesson, they can only participate as teachers. Furthermore it makes the assumption that the students know how to perform assessments to determine usable vision, and that has not even been taught. It is important to note that many sighted students want to teach the blind students in the class, (I.E.) the blind students in the class could be the blind students in the lesson scenario. Also of importance to note is that the groups of students consist of 3 to 4 students, and it is 1 to 1 ratio of teacher and student so the other students just sit and observe. It is also hard to sift through the CCSS standards, and half the time the teacher reports back to me that I didn’t do the best standard for my assignment. There are other various reasons for point deduction, but I feel that I am doing the best I can from the instruction given. There are also video observations of classrooms for undergraduate students, which is second to being able to observe a live classroom like the graduate students do. This is less of a concern to me, although it would be much more beneficial if every student had the same experience—even if they were partnered up to go on observations. Across other classes… in Orientation and Mobility, except for the blind students, nobody is using a cane or guide dog. An overwhelming majority of the class is lecture, and when we are out on travel, it’s all done under blindfold and teaching sighted guide and protective techniques with hands at different positions—which is agreeably important but far from the comprehensive skills that need to be covered to make it effective and safe. I’ve learned that there is an advanced O&M class open to graduates only that teaches cane travel skills, meaning that all the undergraduates get is the basic class without the cane. Also there are major philosophy differences from what I know to what is being taught in that class. As 2 examples, students are instructed that it is not safe or responsible to leave a blind student unattended when they step away to check in to a hotel or restaurant, and that blind people should use paratransit services or sit immediately behind the operator of the public transit vehicle in the priority seating area, making others move if need be. One particular lesson that had the sighted students wandering around lost, sounding very similar to #HowEyeSeeIt earlier this year was learning their way around a grocery store under blindfold while holding the elbow of another classmate. This included going to and from the store using public transportation.  Obviously the first part could not apply to me exactly as instructed, and I questioned the legality of guiding a sighted student off of campus with no cane, sighting the fact that I could be held liable for someone who had no experience in the proper techniques if they were in any way hurt or whatever. I ended up instructing as I was taught during my training at the Colorado Center for the Blind and the sighted student traveled to and from the store without blindfold. I got an additional opportunity to work with another student who wanted to see how a compitent blind person travels. But this is highly unfair to blind and sighted people alike because this not the way anyone would learn to get around the store. The lesson was that the blind partner would be able to walk into a store and grab something off the shelf if the sighted person show them how to get there and to the specific item. I feel this is not a fair lesson because items’ locations may change and this leaves the blind person to have to try and try again to find an item that was moved. In anatomy of the eye, the instructor is doing their best to talk about the functions of everything, but a good tactual representation of everything would make it make much more sense. We dissected a cow’s eye which gave me at least a little better understanding, but my partner did most of the work even though I had my hands all over the area where the eye was being dicected. The same instructor teaches O&M and anatomy and is a really nice person but my final comment about them is they adjust scores up so it doesn’t accurately reflect how a student is doing, regardless of if they are passing or failing. 
>>> I have heard from people that have continued passed these introductory classes that in clinical, they are having issues including but not limited to not being able to actively participate because of lack of access to material in a format that can be comprehended. I also have experienced their other issue, the instructors are always saying to have the students use whatever remaining vision they have or to rely on their resource teacher. I do not know a blind student in the undergraduate or graduate level who has successfully graduated the visual disabilities program at Northern Illinois University.
>>> It was my goal since 2013 when someone forwarded info about a scholarship to attend NIU to the National Association of Blind Students to get to Chicago asap so I could learn how to teach students like me in a variety of environments. I kept looking for ways to go to Chicago starting during my CCB training, but my parents wanted me to stay in Colorado because it is nearer to where they live. So I compromised and started my undergraduate work in Greeley at University of Northern Colorado, NIU still on the forefront of my mind. In April of last year, I received an invitation to the spring seminar of the Illinois Association of Blind Students because of my membership on Illinois NFB lists, and I jumped on the cheapest flight I could find. I went out a day early to go to NIU and explore, and 1 of the 7 students I gave mention to showed me around a little but that barely scratched the surface. In the middle of October of 2015 was when I declared to everyone that I could obtain a undergraduate degree at NIU as what I wanted to more quickly advance to a masters in quicker time than I could get it in Greeley, sighting the fact that an undergraduate TVI program didn’t exist in Greeley. I jumped on the cheapest plane, toured around Chicago with a friend for a few days, and enrolled in NIU the last day before I went back to Denver  I was highly impressed with the disability resource center’s services, in particular the fact that they told me they have an on sight Braille transcriber and an electronic text coordinator who would get me all the materials I needed only by me submitting a receipt and making a simple request in person or online including the proof of purchase. It sounded too good to be true, but I quickly found out that this disability resource center really knows their stuff and have been greatful to work with them since. Speaking of them, my case manager put me in contact with some of the people that are higher up in the department and is trying to help me troubleshoot as best as they can, but they said it’s more up to the student to do that and that DRC would be there to assist along the way as necessary. I made it through my 1st winter in Chicago with a 3.4 and went into this semester on a good grade from a summer class.
>>> Only 2 airlines leaving Chicago serve the airport closest to my home. I flew through Denver on United on my way home yesterday marking the start of Thanksgiving break, and as I got on my connecting flight and the safety video began, I had time to reflect on everything to myself and I really missed my times in Denver and thought for a little bit of going  back. Walking outside and up the jet bridge to get my hour’s long flight home from there was what really got me thinking. But I knew I couldn’t easily switch again and I quickly convinced myself of it, with the number of friends I made around Chicago and the promises of being able to be done a year sooner in my new major of rehabilitation services, thereby getting me to my next adventure—Louisiana Tech University—sooner.
>>> Thus said, I have a few question. Is there anything NFBI or national can do to make it so that the visual disabilities program doesn’t discriminate against anyone in future or make them feel “chased away”? Has anyone you know graduated from there who is blind or low vision? How about what would you recommend to me and the other 3 students who are in the midst of changing majors—did we do the right thing? I am taken aback at how the program has chosen to deal with blind and sighted students alike and was surprised to hear it echoed across many fronts this semester. Can the federation step in and fight for us—or if not us because it may be too late—other blind people who have yet to enter the program? And 1 last question, did anyone around here get the teaching certification another way and then enter tech because that’s what I am now facing. Even if I didn’t get it, I plan to be there in due time for the rehabilitation teaching and o&M programs. That limits the possibilities by a third if I didn’t get a teaching degree though, which makes me disappointed because I thought I had it made at NIU.  Thank you for bearing with me, and I really look forward to any feedback—legal or otherwise.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Macbook Pro 13
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From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Tue Nov 22 11:29:23 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 06:29:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] cat litter box tips
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Be sure to use a scoop with holes so the clumps stay in the scoop and any fresh litter goes back in the box.

> On Nov 21, 2016, at 18:50, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Yes, you can get a scoop from any pet supply store or general purpose store like KMart.  I would never touch the poop and litter with my hands.  Scooping really isn't hard, you just move the scoop around until you feel something and then scoop under it.  You have to sort of dig under the surface with the scoop because cats bury their waste in the litter.  There are also self cleaning litter boxes, but they're way more trouble than they're worth.  Periodically you also have to dump all the litter and refill the box.  This is much easier as a two person job where one person holds the bag open if you have a roommate or partner who can help you, but it's doable as a one person job too.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: andrew edgcumbe via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 16:45:45 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cat litter box tips
> 
> so you do actually have a scoop to scoop out the litter  or the clumps each
> day?
> 
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 4:40 PM, Jennifer Aberdeen via NABS-L <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> If you get clumping litter, it will be easier to scoop out the waste with
> the scooper. I scoop everyday so that the room doesn't start to smell.
> 
> I do wear gloves but mostly just to protect my hands from the bleech.
> 
> After dumping the old litter in a bag, I use a garbage bag, fill the
> litter box with water and a little bleech. After dumping the water and
> bleech down the toilet, that is what I have to do in my apartment because
> the management says so, , make sure the litter box is dry before you put
> new litter in.
> 
> I usually do this once a week. Makes for a happy kitty!
> 
> Jen
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: andrew edgcumbe via NABS-L
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 4:25 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: andrew edgcumbe
> Subject: [nabs-l] cat litter box tips
> 
> 
> Hi all I am getting a cat on Friday. now i am not sure if there are any cat
> lovers or any who have cats but anyway How do you as a blind person clean
> out the cat litter box? also how do  you manage to pick out the clumps do
> you do it with your hands or do you wear gloves what do you do as it must
> be harder if you can't see.
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From piano.girl0299 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 22 12:25:00 2016
From: piano.girl0299 at gmail.com (Kelsey Nicolay)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 07:25:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] ipad help
Message-ID: <5834392c.8120ed0a.576f9.4475@mx.google.com>

Hello,
I apologize if this is slightly off topic, but I was hoping 
someone could help.  I've had my ipad for a while and still find 
typing on the touchscreen difficult.  I always end up not getting 
my finger in the right place where the letter is.  Sometimes I've 
heard Voiceover say that a letter is selected but then I cannot 
move my finger to the next letter because when I do, nothing 
happens.  I have my ipad set up for touch typing, but is there 
anything else I can do to help me type better? I can braille much 
faster than I can type on the screen, but I don't want to have to 
carry a braille display, especially my 40 cell Brailliant, 
everywhere I go.  This is partly why I have not gotten an iphone 
yet.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Kelsey Nicolay


From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Tue Nov 22 12:29:55 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 07:29:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] ipad help
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Message-ID: <30DB3833-370E-4EF1-893E-AAB9E06CF9C6@houghton.edu>

Hi,
It may help you to use Braille  screen input.
It takes some getting used to.

> On Nov 22, 2016, at 07:25, Kelsey Nicolay via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I apologize if this is slightly off topic, but I was hoping someone could help.  I've had my ipad for a while and still find typing on the touchscreen difficult.  I always end up not getting my finger in the right place where the letter is.  Sometimes I've heard Voiceover say that a letter is selected but then I cannot move my finger to the next letter because when I do, nothing happens.  I have my ipad set up for touch typing, but is there anything else I can do to help me type better? I can braille much faster than I can type on the screen, but I don't want to have to carry a braille display, especially my 40 cell Brailliant, everywhere I go.  This is partly why I have not gotten an iphone yet.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> Thank you,
> Kelsey Nicolay
> 
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From Justin.A.Haegele at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 22 12:32:18 2016
From: Justin.A.Haegele at hotmail.com (Justin Haegele)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 12:32:18 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Research Participant Recruitment: Online Survey (Gift Card
 Drawings)
Message-ID: <CY4PR12MB144762B251AC4977FF3C7579D6B40@CY4PR12MB1447.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Dear NFB Listserv Members:



We are conducting a study involving the motivation and self-efficacy of adults with visual impairments to engage in physical activity. To conduct this study we need the participation of adult aged-individuals with visual impairments. This study will ask participants to complete an online survey consisting of 41 questions which should take approximately 20 minutes. All responses will be anonymous and confidential.



All participants who complete the online survey will have the option to enter a drawing to win one $50.00 gift card or two $20.00 gift cards. If you, or someone you know, is interested in participating in this study, please follow the link below:



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If you have any questions regarding this study, please contact me. My information is below. Thank you,



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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 22 14:52:11 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 09:52:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] ipad help
Message-ID: <58345bb9.11d40d0a.6025f.9832@mx.google.com>

You might want to look into getting a keyboard case for your 
IPad.  It would be QWERTY, but typing on an actual keyboard is 
much easier than typing on the screen, and keyboard cases are 
readily available because lots of sighted people use them if they 
use their IPad for taking notes or anything else that requires a 
lot of typing.

HTH,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Kelsey Nicolay via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 07:25:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] ipad help

Hello,
I apologize if this is slightly off topic, but I was hoping
someone could help.  I've had my ipad for a while and still find
typing on the touchscreen difficult.  I always end up not getting
my finger in the right place where the letter is.  Sometimes I've
heard Voiceover say that a letter is selected but then I cannot
move my finger to the next letter because when I do, nothing
happens.  I have my ipad set up for touch typing, but is there
anything else I can do to help me type better? I can braille much
faster than I can type on the screen, but I don't want to have to
carry a braille display, especially my 40 cell Brailliant,
everywhere I go.  This is partly why I have not gotten an iphone
yet.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Kelsey Nicolay

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From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Tue Nov 22 15:07:52 2016
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 09:07:52 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] cat litter box tips
In-Reply-To: <157EED60-3A72-4CEF-B177-5F5CBF33422D@houghton.edu>
References: <58338876.8208370a.45b6.d6aa@mx.google.com>
	<157EED60-3A72-4CEF-B177-5F5CBF33422D@houghton.edu>
Message-ID: <002b01d244d2$33065680$99130380$@visi.com>

In my years of cleaning the litter box, I never felt comfortable using a
scoop.  Another possibility is to use a plastic bag over one's hand or thin
gloves.  A plastic bag does not work as well but is cheaper.  To be clear,
the plastic bag is pulled over one's hand like a glove and is not used to
hold the litter.  

BeSt regards,
Steve Jacobson


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christina Moore
via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 5:29 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Christina Moore <christina.moore16 at houghton.edu>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cat litter box tips

Be sure to use a scoop with holes so the clumps stay in the scoop and any
fresh litter goes back in the box.

> On Nov 21, 2016, at 18:50, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> Yes, you can get a scoop from any pet supply store or general purpose
store like KMart.  I would never touch the poop and litter with my hands.
Scooping really isn't hard, you just move the scoop around until you feel
something and then scoop under it.  You have to sort of dig under the
surface with the scoop because cats bury their waste in the litter.  There
are also self cleaning litter boxes, but they're way more trouble than
they're worth.  Periodically you also have to dump all the litter and refill
the box.  This is much easier as a two person job where one person holds the
bag open if you have a roommate or partner who can help you, but it's doable
as a one person job too.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: andrew edgcumbe via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 16:45:45 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cat litter box tips
> 
> so you do actually have a scoop to scoop out the litter  or the clumps
each
> day?
> 
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 4:40 PM, Jennifer Aberdeen via NABS-L <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> If you get clumping litter, it will be easier to scoop out the waste with
> the scooper. I scoop everyday so that the room doesn't start to smell.
> 
> I do wear gloves but mostly just to protect my hands from the bleech.
> 
> After dumping the old litter in a bag, I use a garbage bag, fill the
> litter box with water and a little bleech. After dumping the water and
> bleech down the toilet, that is what I have to do in my apartment because
> the management says so, , make sure the litter box is dry before you put
> new litter in.
> 
> I usually do this once a week. Makes for a happy kitty!
> 
> Jen
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: andrew edgcumbe via NABS-L
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 4:25 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: andrew edgcumbe
> Subject: [nabs-l] cat litter box tips
> 
> 
> Hi all I am getting a cat on Friday. now i am not sure if there are any
cat
> lovers or any who have cats but anyway How do you as a blind person clean
> out the cat litter box? also how do  you manage to pick out the clumps do
> you do it with your hands or do you wear gloves what do you do as it must
> be harder if you can't see.
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From alyssahenson95 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 22 15:50:26 2016
From: alyssahenson95 at gmail.com (AlyssaHenson)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 10:50:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] ipad help
In-Reply-To: <58345bb9.11d40d0a.6025f.9832@mx.google.com>
References: <58345bb9.11d40d0a.6025f.9832@mx.google.com>
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Hi,
I would recommend the Apple wireless keyboard. Yes, it is something extra to carry, but I specifically like it because it provides what I have found to be the most access to navigation and other controls on the iPad.  If this isn't of interest, I agree with the person that suggested a keyboard case.
HTH
Alyssa

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 22, 2016, at 9:52 AM, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> You might want to look into getting a keyboard case for your IPad.  It would be QWERTY, but typing on an actual keyboard is much easier than typing on the screen, and keyboard cases are readily available because lots of sighted people use them if they use their IPad for taking notes or anything else that requires a lot of typing.
> 
> HTH,
> Karl
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kelsey Nicolay via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 07:25:00 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] ipad help
> 
> Hello,
> I apologize if this is slightly off topic, but I was hoping
> someone could help.  I've had my ipad for a while and still find
> typing on the touchscreen difficult.  I always end up not getting
> my finger in the right place where the letter is.  Sometimes I've
> heard Voiceover say that a letter is selected but then I cannot
> move my finger to the next letter because when I do, nothing
> happens.  I have my ipad set up for touch typing, but is there
> anything else I can do to help me type better? I can braille much
> faster than I can type on the screen, but I don't want to have to
> carry a braille display, especially my 40 cell Brailliant,
> everywhere I go.  This is partly why I have not gotten an iphone
> yet.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> Thank you,
> Kelsey Nicolay
> 
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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 22 15:57:58 2016
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 10:57:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] issue with iphone and braillenote touch in terminal mode?
Message-ID: <58346b0d.c6a06b0a.a8937.dd40@mx.google.com>

Hi,
I have a problem with my iphone.
Whenever I connect it to my braillenote touch to use the touch as a braille display, voiceover speaks the contents of the screen, but my touch displays items from the rotor, along with a number.
For example, "10 characters, 9 lines, or 8 words." I didn't change any settings that I'm aware of which may cause this behavior.
Has anyone else seen this?
I'm running iOs 10.1.1
Can anyone tell me how to fix it?
Thanks,
Jessica

From Amason at nfb.org  Tue Nov 22 16:01:58 2016
From: Amason at nfb.org (Mason, Amy)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 16:01:58 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] cat litter box tips
In-Reply-To: <002b01d244d2$33065680$99130380$@visi.com>
References: <58338876.8208370a.45b6.d6aa@mx.google.com>
	<157EED60-3A72-4CEF-B177-5F5CBF33422D@houghton.edu>
	<002b01d244d2$33065680$99130380$@visi.com>
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I use a scoop myself. I use a pattern of moving through the pan until I have visited all corners and the middle section with the scoop. I usually go over it twice to be sure nothing escaped the first pass, or I will keep following the patter until no more clumps appear.   I keep a lined trash can next to the box when scooping to empty the scoop into, and keep a litter mat under the box to cut down on tracking and other escaping litter trouble. 

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 10:08 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cat litter box tips

In my years of cleaning the litter box, I never felt comfortable using a scoop.  Another possibility is to use a plastic bag over one's hand or thin gloves.  A plastic bag does not work as well but is cheaper.  To be clear, the plastic bag is pulled over one's hand like a glove and is not used to hold the litter.  

BeSt regards,
Steve Jacobson


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christina Moore via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 5:29 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Christina Moore <christina.moore16 at houghton.edu>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cat litter box tips

Be sure to use a scoop with holes so the clumps stay in the scoop and any fresh litter goes back in the box.

> On Nov 21, 2016, at 18:50, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> Yes, you can get a scoop from any pet supply store or general purpose
store like KMart.  I would never touch the poop and litter with my hands.
Scooping really isn't hard, you just move the scoop around until you feel something and then scoop under it.  You have to sort of dig under the surface with the scoop because cats bury their waste in the litter.  There are also self cleaning litter boxes, but they're way more trouble than they're worth.  Periodically you also have to dump all the litter and refill the box.  This is much easier as a two person job where one person holds the bag open if you have a roommate or partner who can help you, but it's doable as a one person job too.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: andrew edgcumbe via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 16:45:45 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cat litter box tips
> 
> so you do actually have a scoop to scoop out the litter  or the clumps
each
> day?
> 
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 4:40 PM, Jennifer Aberdeen via NABS-L < 
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> If you get clumping litter, it will be easier to scoop out the waste 
> with the scooper. I scoop everyday so that the room doesn't start to smell.
> 
> I do wear gloves but mostly just to protect my hands from the bleech.
> 
> After dumping the old litter in a bag, I use a garbage bag, fill the 
> litter box with water and a little bleech. After dumping the water and 
> bleech down the toilet, that is what I have to do in my apartment 
> because the management says so, , make sure the litter box is dry 
> before you put new litter in.
> 
> I usually do this once a week. Makes for a happy kitty!
> 
> Jen
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: andrew edgcumbe via NABS-L
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 4:25 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: andrew edgcumbe
> Subject: [nabs-l] cat litter box tips
> 
> 
> Hi all I am getting a cat on Friday. now i am not sure if there are 
> any
cat
> lovers or any who have cats but anyway How do you as a blind person 
> clean out the cat litter box? also how do  you manage to pick out the 
> clumps do you do it with your hands or do you wear gloves what do you 
> do as it must be harder if you can't see.
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From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Nov 23 03:34:25 2016
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 21:34:25 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Re-Posting Job Announcement New Mexico
Message-ID: <auto-000070607326@mailfront2.g2host.com>


>
>A number of folks have reported problems with 
>the attachment regarding the job opening at the 
>New Mexico Commission for the Blind. 
>Accordingly, I am placing the text in the body 
>of this email. Would you please re-send this?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Cordially,
>
>Curtis Chong
>
>Job Announcement
>Assistive Technology Specialist Vacancy in New Mexico
>
>Greetings:
>
>The New Mexico Commission for the Blind is 
>recruiting for an Assistive Technology 
>Specialist. The position is in our Albuquerque 
>office and serves Central and Northern New Mexico.
>
>The most relevant aspects of the job posting are 
>provided below.  The closing date is December 5.
>
>To reach the job posting:
>
>1.         Visit the following link to go directly to the posting:
>
><https://www.governmentjobs.com/careers/newmexico/jobs/1583344/assistive-technology-specialist-nmcfb-64313>https://www.governmentjobs.com/careers/newmexico/jobs/1583344/assistive-technology-specialist-nmcfb-64313
>
>or
>
>2.         Go to the State of New Mexico NM 
>State Personnel Website at 
><www.spo.state.nm.htm>www.spo.state.nm.us, click 
>the link for View Job Opportunities And Apply, 
>and enter the job title in the search field.
>
>Applications will only be accepted through the 
>New Mexico State Personnel Office online application system!
>
>For users of screen access technology, please be 
>advised that the online application is difficult 
>to complete independently using screen access 
>technology. Screen reader users who experience 
>difficulty with the application utility should 
>contact Ms. Andrea Rivera-Smith of the State 
>Personnel Office @  (505) 695-5606 for 
>assistance.  She can also confirm that your 
>application (including uploaded transcripts, 
>licenses, etc.) has been successfully received for consideration.
>
>Please forward this announcement to any 
>individuals that you believe might be interested 
>in a great job with our agency.  Interested 
>individuals can contact me to discuss the position.
>
>Thank you.
>
>Cordially,
>
>Curtis Chong
>Manager, Assistive Technology Program
>New Mexico Commission for the Blind
>Phone: 505-383-2239
><http://www.cfb.state.nm.us>www.cfb.state.nm.us
><mailto:Curtis.Chong at state.nm.us>Curtis.Chong at state.nm.us
>New Mexico Commission for the Blind
>Vacancy Announcement
>•             Job Title: Assistive Technology Specialist
>•             Full/Part Time: Full-Time
>•             Regular/Temporary: Regular - Permanent
>•             Closing Date: December 5, 2016
>•             Pay Grade: 65
>•             Salary: The salary range for this 
>position is $31,782 - $55,307 Annually, ($15.28 
>- $26.59 Hourly).  Offered salary will be based on education and experience.
>•             Benefits: Full State of New Mexico 
>benefits, including health insurance, life 
>insurance, retirement, sick leave, annual leave, and ten holidays.
>•             Purpose of Position:
>
>This position will support blind/visually 
>impaired clients by evaluating their technology 
>needs, analyzing their education and workplace 
>environments, researching solutions to technical 
>problems, configuring and delivering customized 
>personal computer systems and assistive 
>technology, and orienting and training clients 
>in the use of specialized hardware and software 
>in order to help them obtain or maintain employment.
>•             Minimum Education and Experience requirements:
>
>Associates degree and two (2) years of 
>professional experience in assistive technology 
>related to blindness or low vision. Experience 
>in this job classification or related 
>classification may substitute for the required 
>education on a year for year basis.
>
>If you have indicated in your application that 
>you have an education higher than a high school 
>diploma or GED, you must attach a copy of your 
>unofficial transcript to the application. Your 
>application WILL NOT be considered for further 
>review if you have failed to provide this information.
>•             Working Conditions:
>
>Work is generally performed in an office 
>setting, though work requires frequent visits to 
>client homes, secondary and post-secondary 
>schools, and employer locations; regular 
>exposure to Visual/Video Display Terminal (VDT), 
>personal computers, printers, scanners, video 
>magnifiers, and Braille displays/embossers; and 
>requires extensive telephone usage. Duties 
>require lifting of typical computer hardware, as 
>well as walking, standing, sitting, bending, and 
>crawling. Regularly works with individuals with 
>secondary disabilities, some of which resulting 
>in challenging behaviors. Occasionally exposed 
>to service animals. Regular travel is required 
>throughout Central and Northern New Mexico, 
>including occasional overnight travel.
>•             Bargaining Unit: This position is 
>covered by a collective bargaining agreement and 
>all terms/conditions of that agreement apply and must be adhered to.
>•             Agency Contact Information: Kelly 
>Quintana-Wagner, (505) 476.4456
>•             There are also approximately ten 
>supplemental questions addressing education, 
>experience, and specialized qualifications.
>
>
>

From piano.girl0299 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 23 12:26:42 2016
From: piano.girl0299 at gmail.com (Kelsey Nicolay)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 07:26:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] ipad help
Message-ID: <58358b13.8208370a.45b6.5364@mx.google.com>

Hello,
Is there a specific brand of keyboard case that you would 
recommend? I've seen some reviews that when the case is on, you 
cannot use touch Id.  Is there a keyboard case that won't require 
me to give up my touch Id?


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 23 13:25:41 2016
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 08:25:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] ipad help
Message-ID: <583598de.c4f20d0a.6c57.c48c@mx.google.com>

Hi Kelsey try using dictation.  This might allow you to get 
things done faster.


From jldail13 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 23 19:47:04 2016
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 14:47:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Youtube crashes when trying to watch videos on Bn touch
Message-ID: <5835f244.8835240a.cbd73.54e5@mx.google.com>

Hi,
I'm trying to watch youtube videos on my BN touch, but when I click on any video, it crashes.
How can I fix this?
Thanks,
Jessica

From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Nov 23 22:53:36 2016
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 16:53:36 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Youtube crashes when trying to watch videos on Bn touch
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References: <5835f244.8835240a.cbd73.54e5@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000070678538@mailfront2.g2host.com>

I suspect this is the kind of question you should ask Humanware 
Support 1-800-722-3393.

Dave

At 01:47 PM 11/23/2016, you wrote:
>Hi,
>I'm trying to watch youtube videos on my BN touch, but when I click 
>on any video, it crashes.
>How can I fix this?
>Thanks,
>Jessica



From carlymih at comcast.net  Thu Nov 24 02:55:34 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 18:55:34 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] 7 plus blind or low vision students facing
 discrimination at NIU... Please help!!!!!
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Anna,

Bring on the humor! A real tension defuser, trust me.
CarAt 11:28 PM 11/21/2016, you wrote:
>It is because, the program doing the teaching 
>probably has no one with visual impairment in 
>it's administration, typical story... Key 
>decision-makers thinking they know what is best. The ADA sucks in this regard.
>
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Nov 20, 2016, at 19:02, Zachary N. 
> Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > I didn't even count you in my initial 
> headcount so that makes eight now! Yes I 
> do  remember you!!!  I hope to call you soon so 
> maybe we can put something together about it
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
> >
> >> On Nov 20, 2016, at 16:02, AlyssaHenson via 
> NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello Zach,
> >> You probably remember me as i am one of the 
> people that showed you around. I experienced 
> similar difficulties with the classes you 
> mentioned.  I also had issues with the advanced 
> Braille course which you would be taking in the 
> spring. I'm glad someone is finally taking 
> steps to address the issues.  I wish I would 
> have done the same. You can feel free to email 
> me off list if you have any additional questions regarding my experience.
> >> Warm regards,
> >> Alyssa
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Nov 20, 2016, at 5:06 AM, Zachary N. 
> Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Good morning federationists,
> >>> Please forgive me in advance, this is going 
> to be a long email. I am disappointed to inform 
> you that 7 students, including myself, are 
> facing or have faced  discrimination by a 
> program at a university whose aim is to teach 
> blind students. Perhaps there are more that I 
> don’t know of, and if this is the case, it 
> would be great to know of their 
> experiences.  The program is in the school of 
> special education at Northern Illinois 
> University main campus in DeKalb, West side 
> Chicago, Illinois. There are 7 confirme cases 
> of discrimination and/or difficulty to complete 
> assigned coursework in the visual disabilities 
> program, between the programs at both the 
> undergraduate and graduate level. What’s more 
> disappointing to me is that in this semester 
> alone, 4 blind students including myself have 
> elected to change our majors because of the difficulties we face.
> >>> Obviously for me to be writing these 
> statistics something is terribly wrong here
So 
> I should explain further that the reasons 
> compiled or most noted are lack of adaptation 
> by course instructors, discouragement by some 
> instructors for blind people to participate 
> actively and fully, lack of knowledge by 
> sighted colleagues of how to help the blind 
> students in the class, lack of teaching proper 
> cane/guide dog use skills early, and problems 
> with conflicting philosophy. As far as I know, 
> 3 of the 3 students who have already changed 
> their major and started down a new career path 
> have not sought assistance from resources at 
> Northern Illinois University or the National 
> Federation of the Blind, and the same can be 
> said of 3 of the 4 students making the 
> transition over the upcoming holiday vacation. 
> Some have directly told me that they decided to 
> leave quietly, thinking their voices wouldn’t 
> be heard and that they would not be able to 
> make a difference with just 1 person. They 
> encouraged me to do the same, and although I’m 
> changing majors for the sole reason of keeping 
> my high grade point average that way going into 
> the latter part of my undergraduate career, I 
> am not leaving without making a lasting impact 
> on the visual disabilities program
and I need 
> your help. 6 of the 7 students do not know the 
> National Federation of the Blind as far as I 
> know, and they are strictly reliant on the 
> disability resource center and the department 
> of vocational rehabilitation of Illinois. Yours truly however knows all 3.
> >>> The first issue, and the one I find of most 
> importance
is the discrimination that blind 
> students are faced with in this program at both 
> the undergraduate and graduate level. I am in 
> my 1st block of classes—introduction to 
> teaching students with visual impairments, 
> introduction to Orientation and Mobility, 
> Introduction to Braille which I tested out of, 
> and The Anatomy and Pathology of the Eye. jOf 
> those 3 classes where I am participating, I 
> know that the hardest one for me is 
> Introduction to teaching students with visual 
> impairments. The class is to teach students to 
> develop and teach lessons according to EDTPA 
> standards. In this class, there are 2 obvious 
> red flags. The first is its sequence in the 
> program, when students are concurrently 
> enrolled in Introduction to Braille. Most 
> sighted students—and a few blind students—were 
> not proficient at Braille and taking the 2 
> classes at the same time. This has an automatic 
> drawback in my mind, the sighted students have 
> no idea yet about adaptive tech or Braille and 
> the program is about teaching blind students. 
> This is not so hard to overcome because they 
> will learn the skills in due time,  although 
> I’ve had several sighted students approach me 
> regarding this class apologizing to me that 
> they don’t know how to adapt their lessons, 
> which I forgave them but told them some very 
> simple strategies to adapt with little to no 
> stress for them. I have put 2 other blind 
> students in the class in charge also of talking 
> to other sighted classmates, but they gave up 
> after only a few tries and no success. The 
> other red flag is the more major one in my 
> mind, it stares everyone in the face during 
> each lesson plan. I copied and pasted the 
> section of the instructions of each lesson I 
> refer to below, and it clearly spells out 
> discrimination. “...You are pre-teaching this 
> so that the student is more prepared for the 
> class discussion and activities.  Select one or 
> more CONCEPTS that will help the student 
> understand the content more fully.  The student 
> is a print reader and all materials must be in 
> print.  We will assume that you would provide 
> appropriate modifications tailored to the 
> student’s vision skills determined through 
> functional vision and learning media 
> assessments.  For this exercise, however, use 
> standard print materials but it is fair to 
> address any concepts that you think would be 
> particularly difficult for a student.” This 
> spells out that NO blind students can be 
> participating as students in the lesson, they 
> can only participate as teachers. Furthermore 
> it makes the assumption that the students know 
> how to perform assessments to determine usable 
> vision, and that has not even been taught. It 
> is important to note that many sighted students 
> want to teach the blind students in the class, 
> (I.E.) the blind students in the class could be 
> the blind students in the lesson scenario. Also 
> of importance to note is that the groups of 
> students consist of 3 to 4 students, and it is 
> 1 to 1 ratio of teacher and student so the 
> other students just sit and observe. It is also 
> hard to sift through the CCSS standards, and 
> half the time the teacher reports back to me 
> that I didn’t do the best standard for my 
> assignment. There are other various reasons for 
> point deduction, but I feel that I am doing the 
> best I can from the instruction given. There 
> are also video observations of classrooms for 
> undergraduate students, which is second to 
> being able to observe a live classroom like the 
> graduate students do. This is less of a concern 
> to me, although it would be much more 
> beneficial if every student had the same 
> experience—even if they were partnered up to go 
> on observations. Across other classes
 in 
> Orientation and Mobility, except for the blind 
> students, nobody is using a cane or guide dog. 
> An overwhelming majority of the class is 
> lecture, and when we are out on travel, it’s 
> all done under blindfold and teaching sighted 
> guide and protective techniques with hands at 
> different positions—which is agreeably 
> important but far from the comprehensive skills 
> that need to be covered to make it effective 
> and safe. I’ve learned that there is an 
> advanced O&M class open to graduates only that 
> teaches cane travel skills, meaning that all 
> the undergraduates get is the basic class 
> without the cane. Also there are major 
> philosophy differences from what I know to what 
> is being taught in that class. As 2 examples, 
> students are instructed that it is not safe or 
> responsible to leave a blind student unattended 
> when they step away to check in to a hotel or 
> restaurant, and that blind people should use 
> paratransit services or sit immediately behind 
> the operator of the public transit vehicle in 
> the priority seating area, making others move 
> if need be. One particular lesson that had the 
> sighted students wandering around lost, 
> sounding very similar to #HowEyeSeeIt earlier 
> this year was learning their way around a 
> grocery store under blindfold while holding the 
> elbow of another classmate. This included going 
> to and from the store using public 
> transportation.  Obviously the first part could 
> not apply to me exactly as instructed, and I 
> questioned the legality of guiding a sighted 
> student off of campus with no cane, sighting 
> the fact that I could be held liable for 
> someone who had no experience in the proper 
> techniques if they were in any way hurt or 
> whatever. I ended up instructing as I was 
> taught during my training at the Colorado 
> Center for the Blind and the sighted student 
> traveled to and from the store without 
> blindfold. I got an additional opportunity to 
> work with another student who wanted to see how 
> a compitent blind person travels. But this is 
> highly unfair to blind and sighted people alike 
> because this not the way anyone would learn to 
> get around the store. The lesson was that the 
> blind partner would be able to walk into a 
> store and grab something off the shelf if the 
> sighted person show them how to get there and 
> to the specific item. I feel this is not a fair 
> lesson because items’ locations may change and 
> this leaves the blind person to have to try and 
> try again to find an item that was moved. In 
> anatomy of the eye, the instructor is doing 
> their best to talk about the functions of 
> everything, but a good tactual representation 
> of everything would make it make much more 
> sense. We dissected a cow’s eye which gave me 
> at least a little better understanding, but my 
> partner did most of the work even though I had 
> my hands all over the area where the eye was 
> being dicected. The same instructor teaches O&M 
> and anatomy and is a really nice person but my 
> final comment about them is they adjust scores 
> up so it doesn’t accurately reflect how a 
> student is doing, regardless of if they are passing or failing.
> >>> I have heard from people that have 
> continued passed these introductory classes 
> that in clinical, they are having issues 
> including but not limited to not being able to 
> actively participate because of lack of access 
> to material in a format that can be 
> comprehended. I also have experienced their 
> other issue, the instructors are always saying 
> to have the students use whatever remaining 
> vision they have or to rely on their resource 
> teacher. I do not know a blind student in the 
> undergraduate or graduate level who has 
> successfully graduated the visual disabilities 
> program at Northern Illinois University.
> >>> It was my goal since 2013 when someone 
> forwarded info about a scholarship to attend 
> NIU to the National Association of Blind 
> Students to get to Chicago asap so I could 
> learn how to teach students like me in a 
> variety of environments. I kept looking for 
> ways to go to Chicago starting during my CCB 
> training, but my parents wanted me to stay in 
> Colorado because it is nearer to where they 
> live. So I compromised and started my 
> undergraduate work in Greeley at University of 
> Northern Colorado, NIU still on the forefront 
> of my mind. In April of last year, I received 
> an invitation to the spring seminar of the 
> Illinois Association of Blind Students because 
> of my membership on Illinois NFB lists, and I 
> jumped on the cheapest flight I could find. I 
> went out a day early to go to NIU and explore, 
> and 1 of the 7 students I gave mention to 
> showed me around a little but that barely 
> scratched the surface. In the middle of October 
> of 2015 was when I declared to everyone that I 
> could obtain a undergraduate degree at NIU as 
> what I wanted to more quickly advance to a 
> masters in quicker time than I could get it in 
> Greeley, sighting the fact that an 
> undergraduate TVI program didn’t exist in 
> Greeley. I jumped on the cheapest plane, toured 
> around Chicago with a friend for a few days, 
> and enrolled in NIU the last day before I went 
> back to Denver  I was highly impressed with the 
> disability resource center’s services, in 
> particular the fact that they told me they have 
> an on sight Braille transcriber and an 
> electronic text coordinator who would get me 
> all the materials I needed only by me 
> submitting a receipt and making a simple 
> request in person or online including the proof 
> of purchase. It sounded too good to be true, 
> but I quickly found out that this disability 
> resource center really knows their stuff and 
> have been greatful to work with them since. 
> Speaking of them, my case manager put me in 
> contact with some of the people that are higher 
> up in the department and is trying to help me 
> troubleshoot as best as they can, but they said 
> it’s more up to the student to do that and that 
> DRC would be there to assist along the way as 
> necessary. I made it through my 1st winter in 
> Chicago with a 3.4 and went into this semester 
> on a good grade from a summer class.
> >>> Only 2 airlines leaving Chicago serve the 
> airport closest to my home. I flew through 
> Denver on United on my way home yesterday 
> marking the start of Thanksgiving break, and as 
> I got on my connecting flight and the safety 
> video began, I had time to reflect on 
> everything to myself and I really missed my 
> times in Denver and thought for a little bit of 
> going  back. Walking outside and up the jet 
> bridge to get my hour’s long flight home from 
> there was what really got me thinking. But I 
> knew I couldn’t easily switch again and I 
> quickly convinced myself of it, with the number 
> of friends I made around Chicago and the 
> promises of being able to be done a year sooner 
> in my new major of rehabilitation services, 
> thereby getting me to my next adventure—Louisiana Tech University—sooner.
> >>> Thus said, I have a few question. Is there 
> anything NFBI or national can do to make it so 
> that the visual disabilities program doesn’t 
> discriminate against anyone in future or make 
> them feel “chased away”? Has anyone you know 
> graduated from there who is blind or low 
> vision? How about what would you recommend to 
> me and the other 3 students who are in the 
> midst of changing majors—did we do the right 
> thing? I am taken aback at how the program has 
> chosen to deal with blind and sighted students 
> alike and was surprised to hear it echoed 
> across many fronts this semester. Can the 
> federation step in and fight for us—or if not 
> us because it may be too late—other blind 
> people who have yet to enter the program? And 1 
> last question, did anyone around here get the 
> teaching certification another way and then 
> enter tech because that’s what I am now facing. 
> Even if I didn’t get it, I plan to be there in 
> due time for the rehabilitation teaching and 
> o&M programs. That limits the possibilities by 
> a third if I didn’t get a teaching degree 
> though, which makes me disappointed because I 
> thought I had it made at NIU.  Thank you for 
> bearing with me, and I really look forward to any feedback—legal or otherwise.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my Macbook Pro 13
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
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From iperrault at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 24 17:51:54 2016
From: iperrault at hotmail.com (Ian Perrault)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 17:51:54 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Free Calling IPhone App
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Hi,
Are there any IPhone apps where I can simply make calls for free via the Internet, without getting a phone number? Magic Jack, the app I used to have, faded out, so it would be great to find another one. The reception isn't good here, so it would be good to make phone calls via the Internet on my IPhone.
Ian
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From kestomberg at coe.edu  Thu Nov 24 18:27:35 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 12:27:35 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Free Calling IPhone App
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I believe there is an app called What's App that allows you to do this.  If you have Facebook, you can also use the Vidio or Audio call feature on Facebook Mesenger. 

Kennedy Stomberg 
(218)295-2391 

> On Nov 24, 2016, at 11:51 AM, Ian Perrault via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Are there any IPhone apps where I can simply make calls for free via the Internet, without getting a phone number? Magic Jack, the app I used to have, faded out, so it would be great to find another one. The reception isn't good here, so it would be good to make phone calls via the Internet on my IPhone.
> Ian
> <winmail.dat>
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From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Thu Nov 24 22:23:09 2016
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 22:23:09 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Free Calling IPhone App
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Have you tried using Google hangouts, this requires you to have a Google voice phone number. But it is calls over the Internet.
Joseph Hudson
Group administrator for the following
groups
chat
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blind apples
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blind square GPS
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com

 blind handyman
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iPad help for the blind
https://groups.io/g/IPadhelpfortheblind

Email
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Telephone
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On Nov 24, 2016, at 11:51 AM, Ian Perrault via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

Hi,
Are there any IPhone apps where I can simply make calls for free via the Internet, without getting a phone number? Magic Jack, the app I used to have, faded out, so it would be great to find another one. The reception isn’t good here, so it would be good to make phone calls via the Internet on my IPhone.
Ian
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From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 25 00:46:36 2016
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (Nesma Aly)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 19:46:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Free Calling IPhone App
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Hi, 
Have you tried skype? 

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson via NABS-L
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Cc: Joseph Hudson
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Free Calling IPhone App

Have you tried using Google hangouts, this requires you to have a Google voice phone number. But it is calls over the Internet.
Joseph Hudson
Group administrator for the following
groups
chat
http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org
blind apples
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindapples_cruising.ultragroups.com

blind square GPS
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com

 blind handyman
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruising.ultragroups.com

iPad help for the blind
https://groups.io/g/IPadhelpfortheblind

Email
jhud7789 at gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789 at yahoo.com

On Nov 24, 2016, at 11:51 AM, Ian Perrault via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

Hi,
Are there any IPhone apps where I can simply make calls for free via the Internet, without getting a phone number? Magic Jack, the app I used to have, faded out, so it would be great to find another one. The reception isn’t good here, so it would be good to make phone calls via the Internet on my IPhone.
Ian
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 01:54:52 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 17:54:52 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Personal Shoppers
Message-ID: <5838eb89.047c630a.8c411.bef1@mx.google.com>

Hi,
I hope that everyone has had a great Thanksgiving.
I was just wondering if people have had ever had any difficulties 
getting a personal shopper.  When I was a training center student 
at LCB, 1 store was very quick to give a shopper, and another was 
willing to give them although it sometimes could a while.  In my 
hometown, the stores I have used a personal shopper for seem 
willing enough but sometimes just act as if this kind of a 
request is not typical.
Also, do you all think is it worth calling ahead when you go to a 
new store to let them know, or do you just show up?
Thanks,
Vejas


From mikgephart at icloud.com  Sat Nov 26 02:12:38 2016
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 21:12:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Personal Shoppers
In-Reply-To: <5838eb89.047c630a.8c411.bef1@mx.google.com>
References: <5838eb89.047c630a.8c411.bef1@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <26389C9F-E034-4A7D-B790-7F8B9E6DFF60@icloud.com>

 *llu,
I had an interesting experience. I was at my local training center in NC for a summer program, and went to a grocery store for my O and M lesson. My instructor, who was sighted, stood by the front of the store while I shopped. While I was standing at Customer Service, the clerk let a man who was behind me in line jump ahead of me. Then, another lady, who I later learned was an assistant manager, asked if she could assist me. She assisted me through everything, from finding the right item to checking out at the self checkout. As she was helping me, we started talking, and I found out that her relative is blind. I think a lot depends on who helps you. I still remember her name. This is just my experience.
Mikayla      

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 25, 2016, at 8:54 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I hope that everyone has had a great Thanksgiving.
> I was just wondering if people have had ever had any difficulties getting a personal shopper.  When I was a training center student at LCB, 1 store was very quick to give a shopper, and another was willing to give them although it sometimes could a while.  In my hometown, the stores I have used a personal shopper for seem willing enough but sometimes just act as if this kind of a request is not typical.
> Also, do you all think is it worth calling ahead when you go to a new store to let them know, or do you just show up?
> Thanks,
> Vejas
> 
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sat Nov 26 02:59:36 2016
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 20:59:36 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Personal Shoppers
In-Reply-To: <5838eb89.047c630a.8c411.bef1@mx.google.com>
References: <5838eb89.047c630a.8c411.bef1@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000071390107@mailfront1.g2host.com>

I don't think there is a right answer here, it depends in part on 
what you are comfortable with.  My experience is that my reception 
varies from store to store, and from time to time. Personally I would 
just go unless the store specifically said we can help you better if 
you make an arrangement first.

I also think that when you are there you need to be patient, it make 
take them a few minutes to free someone up, and you should be 
organized with what you want.

Dave

At 07:54 PM 11/25/2016, you wrote:
>Hi,
>I hope that everyone has had a great Thanksgiving.
>I was just wondering if people have had ever had any difficulties 
>getting a personal shopper.  When I was a training center student at 
>LCB, 1 store was very quick to give a shopper, and another was 
>willing to give them although it sometimes could a while.  In my 
>hometown, the stores I have used a personal shopper for seem willing 
>enough but sometimes just act as if this kind of a request is not typical.
>Also, do you all think is it worth calling ahead when you go to a 
>new store to let them know, or do you just show up?
>Thanks,
>Vejas



From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Sat Nov 26 06:55:05 2016
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 06:55:05 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Free Calling IPhone App
In-Reply-To: <00c801d246b5$611ab1d0$23501570$@gmail.com>
References: <DM5PR13MB1161E1ADB79CCD07BDD25567BFB60@DM5PR13MB1161.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
	<DM5PR06MB2922D14FDD9BB8BEC2236FBCCEB60@DM5PR06MB2922.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<00c801d246b5$611ab1d0$23501570$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CY4PR10MB16694B99A3ADC28D4044AAD1DC880@CY4PR10MB1669.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

There is also something called TextNow or TextFree. You can also try GoogleVoice.


Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 24, 2016, at 19:47, Nesma Aly via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> Have you tried skype? 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson via NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 5:23 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Joseph Hudson
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Free Calling IPhone App
> 
> Have you tried using Google hangouts, this requires you to have a Google voice phone number. But it is calls over the Internet.
> Joseph Hudson
> Group administrator for the following
> groups
> chat
> http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org
> blind apples
> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindapples_cruising.ultragroups.com
> 
> blind square GPS
> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com
> 
> blind handyman
> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruising.ultragroups.com
> 
> iPad help for the blind
> https://groups.io/g/IPadhelpfortheblind
> 
> Email
> jhud7789 at gmail.com
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89
> facebook
> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89
> 
> FaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7789 at yahoo.com
> 
> On Nov 24, 2016, at 11:51 AM, Ian Perrault via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Are there any IPhone apps where I can simply make calls for free via the Internet, without getting a phone number? Magic Jack, the app I used to have, faded out, so it would be great to find another one. The reception isn’t good here, so it would be good to make phone calls via the Internet on my IPhone.
> Ian
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From zdreicer at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 08:47:26 2016
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 01:47:26 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Personal Shoppers
In-Reply-To: <5838eb89.047c630a.8c411.bef1@mx.google.com>
References: <5838eb89.047c630a.8c411.bef1@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <F874112B-BC66-4027-BF59-894DB334B1FC@gmail.com>

Good morning, typically I don't call unless there is one occasion when I do which is the warehouse stores Sam's Club or Costco,  because a manager tries to shop with me at those at all times just because of how complex it is to shop and often times we walk from One end of those stores to the other   looking for things. other smaller stores I just go to customer service and ask them. I have had some difficulty getting shopper assistance but nothing major to complain about.

Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver

> On Nov 25, 2016, at 18:54, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I hope that everyone has had a great Thanksgiving.
> I was just wondering if people have had ever had any difficulties getting a personal shopper.  When I was a training center student at LCB, 1 store was very quick to give a shopper, and another was willing to give them although it sometimes could a while.  In my hometown, the stores I have used a personal shopper for seem willing enough but sometimes just act as if this kind of a request is not typical.
> Also, do you all think is it worth calling ahead when you go to a new store to let them know, or do you just show up?
> Thanks,
> Vejas
> 
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From lizzym0827 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 14:00:51 2016
From: lizzym0827 at gmail.com (Lizzy)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 09:00:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Personal Shoppers
Message-ID: <583995ae.3729c80a.af91d.69de@mx.google.com>

Hi Vejas,
I would recommend calling ahead for a store that you don't 
frequent often, and maybe calling ahead the first few times you 
start shopping somewhere regularly.  It's really up to you 
though, but I will say that I find it easier to get assistance 
after I know the staff fairly well (like by name) because then 
they know you and are happy to assist.  Another way to make sure 
that they don't mind helping out is to show your appreciation by 
tipping them, knowing what you want and getting a sense of the 
store's layout so that you can have an idea of what part of the 
store you need to be in.  None of these are required but they 
make life a lot easier for the both of you and you'll have a 
reputation for being someone who's easy to assist which I find 
makes my wait time shorter unless they're just understaffed.
HTH,
Lizzy


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 17:29:56 2016
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 12:29:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Email Address for Scot White
Message-ID: <5839c6a4.4571810a.2296d.3359@mx.google.com>

Dear Students,

May I please have an email address for Scot White? I would like 
him to add a publication to Nfb Newsline.


From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 18:34:44 2016
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 13:34:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Email Address for Scot White
In-Reply-To: <5839c6a4.4571810a.2296d.3359@mx.google.com>
References: <5839c6a4.4571810a.2296d.3359@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <F0657C55-45AE-4464-AEFF-15FAE01C7D84@gmail.com>

Try swhite at nfb.org.

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 26, 2016, at 12:29 PM, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Students,
> 
> May I please have an email address for Scot White? I would like him to add a publication to Nfb Newsline.
> 
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 18:52:34 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 10:52:34 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Personal Shoppers
Message-ID: <5839da0f.5672630a.aeb56.8fd2@mx.google.com>

Hi Lizzy and All,
How much do you tip your personal shopper?
I had never thought of doing this and it was never talked about 
at the center, but it seems very practical.
Thanks,
Vejas


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Lizzy via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 09:00:51 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Personal Shoppers

Hi Vejas,
I would recommend calling ahead for a store that you don't
frequent often, and maybe calling ahead the first few times you
start shopping somewhere regularly.  It's really up to you
though, but I will say that I find it easier to get assistance
after I know the staff fairly well (like by name) because then
they know you and are happy to assist.  Another way to make sure
that they don't mind helping out is to show your appreciation by
tipping them, knowing what you want and getting a sense of the
store's layout so that you can have an idea of what part of the
store you need to be in.  None of these are required but they
make life a lot easier for the both of you and you'll have a
reputation for being someone who's easy to assist which I find
makes my wait time shorter unless they're just understaffed.
HTH,
Lizzy

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From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 00:55:43 2016
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (Nesma Aly)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 19:55:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Free Calling IPhone App
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR10MB16694B99A3ADC28D4044AAD1DC880@CY4PR10MB1669.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM5PR13MB1161E1ADB79CCD07BDD25567BFB60@DM5PR13MB1161.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
	<DM5PR06MB2922D14FDD9BB8BEC2236FBCCEB60@DM5PR06MB2922.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<00c801d246b5$611ab1d0$23501570$@gmail.com>
	<CY4PR10MB16694B99A3ADC28D4044AAD1DC880@CY4PR10MB1669.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <003501d24848$fbe94660$f3bbd320$@gmail.com>

Text now/free needs a person to create a phone number as part of
registration

-----Original Message-----
From: wmodnl wmodnl [mailto:wmodnl at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 1:55 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Nesma Aly
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Free Calling IPhone App

There is also something called TextNow or TextFree. You can also try
GoogleVoice.


Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 24, 2016, at 19:47, Nesma Aly via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> Have you tried skype? 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
via NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 5:23 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Joseph Hudson
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Free Calling IPhone App
> 
> Have you tried using Google hangouts, this requires you to have a Google
voice phone number. But it is calls over the Internet.
> Joseph Hudson
> Group administrator for the following
> groups
> chat
> http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org
> blind apples
>
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindapples_cruising.ultrag
roups.com
> 
> blind square GPS
>
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ult
ragroups.com
> 
> blind handyman
>
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruising.ultr
agroups.com
> 
> iPad help for the blind
> https://groups.io/g/IPadhelpfortheblind
> 
> Email
> jhud7789 at gmail.com
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89
> facebook
> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89
> 
> FaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7789 at yahoo.com
> 
> On Nov 24, 2016, at 11:51 AM, Ian Perrault via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Are there any IPhone apps where I can simply make calls for free via the
Internet, without getting a phone number? Magic Jack, the app I used to
have, faded out, so it would be great to find another one. The reception
isn't good here, so it would be good to make phone calls via the Internet on
my IPhone.
> Ian
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From lizzym0827 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 16:09:27 2016
From: lizzym0827 at gmail.com (Lizzy)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 11:09:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Personal Shoppers
Message-ID: <583b0554.3223ed0a.7f0c2.29f0@mx.google.com>

Hi Vejas,
It's up to you how much you want to tip your shopper's assistant.  
Anywhere from 2-5 dollars is a good amount to show appreciation.  
If they really went out of their way to do something for you and 
you'd like to give a little more then of course you can do that 
as well.
Best,
Lizzy


From bre.brown24 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 16:24:24 2016
From: bre.brown24 at gmail.com (Bre Brown)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 10:24:24 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] November Membership Call Reminder
Message-ID: <CACXqA0pf-W-Rm1h3GyO_2Auwy=GAAZ_ueymb7ZkeEh=OnmQgBw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

This is just a reminder about our membership call this evening. See
below for details.


  As students, we are generally not prepared to turn down free money.
 With that in mind the NABS Membership Committee is pleased to present
 an opportunity to learn about an excellent source of free money!
 Sunday November 27th, our guest speaker Patti Chang along with a few
 of our previous national scholarship winners, will be presenting on
 the National Federation of the Blind Scholarship Program. Since the
 deadline for applying to the National Federation of the Blind
 Scholarship is March 31st, what better time to join us and to have any
 and all questions answered by the Chairwoman of the NFB Scholarship
 committee?

  The call will take place this Sunday November 27th at 8:00 p.m
 eastern (7:00 p.m central, 6:00 p.m mountain, 5:00 p.m pacific) on our
 conference line. Find the details below.

  Phone: 605-475-6700
  access code: 7869673

 We are looking forward to talking to everyone on the call.

 Thanks
 Bre Brown

 Vice President, National Association of Blind students.


From carlymih at comcast.net  Sun Nov 27 19:02:59 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 11:02:59 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Personal Shoppers
In-Reply-To: <5838eb89.047c630a.8c411.bef1@mx.google.com>
References: <5838eb89.047c630a.8c411.bef1@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.306.1772982283.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Afternoon, Vejas,


Always Just show up so that you can reenforce the store's being 
flexible when an incidence  of blindness walks in.
Car __At 05:54 PM 11/25/2016, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote:
>Hi,
>I hope that everyone has had a great Thanksgiving.
>I was just wondering if people have had ever had any difficulties 
>getting a personal shopper.  When I was a training center student at 
>LCB, 1 store was very quick to give a shopper, and another was 
>willing to give them although it sometimes could a while.  In my 
>hometown, the stores I have used a personal shopper for seem willing 
>enough but sometimes just act as if this kind of a request is not typical.
>Also, do you all think is it worth calling ahead when you go to a 
>new store to let them know, or do you just show up?
>Thanks,
>Vejas
>
>_______________________________________________
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From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Sun Nov 27 20:24:51 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 15:24:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Personal Shoppers
In-Reply-To: <38.4C.03272.92E2B385@smtp.houghton.edu>
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An incidence?


> On Nov 27, 2016, at 14:02, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Afternoon, Vejas,
> 
> 
> Always Just show up so that you can reenforce the store's being flexible when an incidence  of blindness walks in.
> Car __At 05:54 PM 11/25/2016, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I hope that everyone has had a great Thanksgiving.
>> I was just wondering if people have had ever had any difficulties getting a personal shopper.  When I was a training center student at LCB, 1 store was very quick to give a shopper, and another was willing to give them although it sometimes could a while.  In my hometown, the stores I have used a personal shopper for seem willing enough but sometimes just act as if this kind of a request is not typical.
>> Also, do you all think is it worth calling ahead when you go to a new store to let them know, or do you just show up?
>> Thanks,
>> Vejas
>> 
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From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 28 00:36:47 2016
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 19:36:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] November Membership Call Reminder
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Hi Bre, 
Sorry I will not be able to make it to tonights call 
Nesma 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 27, 2016, at 11:24, Bre Brown via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> This is just a reminder about our membership call this evening. See
> below for details.
> 
> 
>  As students, we are generally not prepared to turn down free money.
> With that in mind the NABS Membership Committee is pleased to present
> an opportunity to learn about an excellent source of free money!
> Sunday November 27th, our guest speaker Patti Chang along with a few
> of our previous national scholarship winners, will be presenting on
> the National Federation of the Blind Scholarship Program. Since the
> deadline for applying to the National Federation of the Blind
> Scholarship is March 31st, what better time to join us and to have any
> and all questions answered by the Chairwoman of the NFB Scholarship
> committee?
> 
>  The call will take place this Sunday November 27th at 8:00 p.m
> eastern (7:00 p.m central, 6:00 p.m mountain, 5:00 p.m pacific) on our
> conference line. Find the details below.
> 
>  Phone: 605-475-6700
>  access code: 7869673
> 
> We are looking forward to talking to everyone on the call.
> 
> Thanks
> Bre Brown
> 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 28 13:24:07 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 08:24:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Personal Shoppers
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Be organized and quick as to what you want.  Requesting assistance is
probably not as typical, especially in a smaller town.  I would be a little
hesitant to do it for huge shoppings unless you had no other way, it is your
right, but it is also important to know and understand context.  Some stores
may struggle to do that, whiel others will not.  If you can determine that
certain times are better than other times to go shopping, then use that, or
if the store requests that you call ahead, then that may be easier for them
to accommodate you.  I just drop into publics if I need something; usually
only a few items at a time.  Do what you got to do, but do it with
confidence. 
Justin
 

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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Personal Shoppers

I don't think there is a right answer here, it depends in part on what you
are comfortable with.  My experience is that my reception varies from store
to store, and from time to time. Personally I would just go unless the store
specifically said we can help you better if you make an arrangement first.

I also think that when you are there you need to be patient, it make take
them a few minutes to free someone up, and you should be organized with what
you want.

Dave

At 07:54 PM 11/25/2016, you wrote:
>Hi,
>I hope that everyone has had a great Thanksgiving.
>I was just wondering if people have had ever had any difficulties 
>getting a personal shopper.  When I was a training center student at 
>LCB, 1 store was very quick to give a shopper, and another was willing 
>to give them although it sometimes could a while.  In my hometown, the 
>stores I have used a personal shopper for seem willing enough but 
>sometimes just act as if this kind of a request is not typical.
>Also, do you all think is it worth calling ahead when you go to a new 
>store to let them know, or do you just show up?
>Thanks,
>Vejas


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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 28 15:28:49 2016
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 10:28:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] how to go separate paragraphs using braillenote apex?
Message-ID: <583c4d3b.1478240a.5af02.9c90@mx.google.com>

Hi,
I have a friend who has a braillenote apex.
She needs to how to separate paragraphs.
Can anyone help?
Thanks,
Jessica

From misokwak12 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 28 16:21:31 2016
From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 08:21:31 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] GRE Registration and Preparation
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Hi everyone,
I would like to know how your experience has been with ETS on
registering for the GRE general test.
Also if you have any tips for preparing and accessing prep materials
in Braille (other than what ETS sends students) please let me know.

Thanks,
Miso Kwak

-- 
Mi So Kwak
University of California, Los Angeles | 2017
Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor


From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Mon Nov 28 16:30:08 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 08:30:08 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Question for Anyone Who Has Taken Spanish in College
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Hi,
I hope that all of you had a great Thanksgiving break.
One of the classes I am taking next semester is Spanish.  
Previously when taking Spanish in high school, I had the textbook 
written out in hard copy Braille.
So far in the classes I have been taking, I have been fine with 
an electronic copy of a textbook, either off Bookshare or by 
buying the book and having it scanned at Disability Services.
I would prefer to have my Spanish book in hard copy Braille 
because of the accent marks but would like to know the experience 
of how others of you have succeeded in getting the material 
needed for Spanish class.  Did you find that you could read the 
accents fine electronically, did you order a hard copy or were 
you able to utilize audio?
Any experiences would be welcome.
Thanks,
Vejas


From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Mon Nov 28 17:11:50 2016
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 11:11:50 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] how to go separate paragraphs using braillenote apex?
Message-ID: <583c6578.38109d0a.4ca82.b338@mx.google.com>

Jessica, I have an Apex too. When I want to do separate 
paragraphs, I just hit the return key and space over four or five 
times to indent it. There are also tab keys, but I have a QT, so 
I don't know how those work on a BT.

 ----- Original Message -----
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To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 10:28:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] how to go separate paragraphs using braillenote 
apex?

Hi,
I have a friend who has a braillenote apex.
She needs to how to separate paragraphs.
Can anyone help?
Thanks,
Jessica
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From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Mon Nov 28 17:18:33 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 12:18:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] how to go separate paragraphs using braillenote apex?
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It is possible to tab after hitting dot eight.
Press space with T for tab.


> On Nov 28, 2016, at 12:11, Sophie Trist via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Jessica, I have an Apex too. When I want to do separate paragraphs, I just hit the return key and space over four or five times to indent it. There are also tab keys, but I have a QT, so I don't know how those work on a BT.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 10:28:49 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] how to go separate paragraphs using braillenote apex?
> 
> Hi,
> I have a friend who has a braillenote apex.
> She needs to how to separate paragraphs.
> Can anyone help?
> Thanks,
> Jessica
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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 28 17:20:33 2016
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 12:20:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] how to go separate paragraphs using braillenote apex?
Message-ID: <583c6766.049c6b0a.c953.ce3a@mx.google.com>

Hi,
My friend is using a BT.
Can anyone help?
Jessica

On Nov 28, 2016 12:11 PM, Sophie Trist via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Jessica, I have an Apex too. When I want to do separate 
> paragraphs, I just hit the return key and space over four or five 
> times to indent it. There are also tab keys, but I have a QT, so 
> I don't know how those work on a BT. 
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
> Date sent: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 10:28:49 -0500 
> Subject: [nabs-l] how to go separate paragraphs using braillenote 
> apex? 
>
> Hi, 
> I have a friend who has a braillenote apex. 
> She needs to how to separate paragraphs. 
> Can anyone help? 
> Thanks, 
> Jessica 
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From aloshamoorenfb at gmail.com  Mon Nov 28 17:54:41 2016
From: aloshamoorenfb at gmail.com (Alosha Moore)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 11:54:41 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Question for Anyone Who Has Taken Spanish in College
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Good morning Vejas:
I took Spanish in undergrad, and I found that having a hard copy when learning any form of literacy is always better. I definitely would go with the tried-and-true method of using a hard Braille copy especially as university language courses are faster paced and you should stick to what you already know works.
Best, Alosha.

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> On Nov 28, 2016, at 10:30 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I hope that all of you had a great Thanksgiving break.
> One of the classes I am taking next semester is Spanish.  Previously when taking Spanish in high school, I had the textbook written out in hard copy Braille.
> So far in the classes I have been taking, I have been fine with an electronic copy of a textbook, either off Bookshare or by buying the book and having it scanned at Disability Services.
> I would prefer to have my Spanish book in hard copy Braille because of the accent marks but would like to know the experience of how others of you have succeeded in getting the material needed for Spanish class.  Did you find that you could read the accents fine electronically, did you order a hard copy or were you able to utilize audio?
> Any experiences would be welcome.
> Thanks,
> Vejas
> 
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From annita.co.usa at gmail.com  Mon Nov 28 22:20:57 2016
From: annita.co.usa at gmail.com (Anya Avramenko)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 16:20:57 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Question for Anyone Who Has Taken Spanish in College
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Hi,
I am Spanish major, and I've always used my Braille Note to read Spanish. It
worked just fine for me. It displayed accent marks correctly, and I used
search command to find a particular part.
A

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Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 10:30 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas
Subject: [nabs-l] Question for Anyone Who Has Taken Spanish in College

Hi,
I hope that all of you had a great Thanksgiving break.
One of the classes I am taking next semester is Spanish.  
Previously when taking Spanish in high school, I had the textbook written
out in hard copy Braille.
So far in the classes I have been taking, I have been fine with an
electronic copy of a textbook, either off Bookshare or by buying the book
and having it scanned at Disability Services.
I would prefer to have my Spanish book in hard copy Braille because of the
accent marks but would like to know the experience of how others of you have
succeeded in getting the material needed for Spanish class.  Did you find
that you could read the accents fine electronically, did you order a hard
copy or were you able to utilize audio?
Any experiences would be welcome.
Thanks,
Vejas

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From jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com  Mon Nov 28 22:44:06 2016
From: jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com (Jason Polansky)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 17:44:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question for Anyone Who Has Taken Spanish in College
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Hi Vejas. I am taking Spanish right now and had my textbook scanned by disability services. It works pretty well on my BrailleSense. Sometimes, I have issues in areas of the book in which information is displayed in columns or in which there are words inside a picture, but it works well for the most part. Glad to see you active on the Nabs list. Contact me off list some time. We should catch up.

> On Nov 28, 2016, at 5:20 PM, Anya Avramenko via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I am Spanish major, and I've always used my Braille Note to read Spanish. It
> worked just fine for me. It displayed accent marks correctly, and I used
> search command to find a particular part.
> A
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
> Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 10:30 AM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas
> Subject: [nabs-l] Question for Anyone Who Has Taken Spanish in College
> 
> Hi,
> I hope that all of you had a great Thanksgiving break.
> One of the classes I am taking next semester is Spanish.  
> Previously when taking Spanish in high school, I had the textbook written
> out in hard copy Braille.
> So far in the classes I have been taking, I have been fine with an
> electronic copy of a textbook, either off Bookshare or by buying the book
> and having it scanned at Disability Services.
> I would prefer to have my Spanish book in hard copy Braille because of the
> accent marks but would like to know the experience of how others of you have
> succeeded in getting the material needed for Spanish class.  Did you find
> that you could read the accents fine electronically, did you order a hard
> copy or were you able to utilize audio?
> Any experiences would be welcome.
> Thanks,
> Vejas
> 
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From ligne14 at verizon.net  Tue Nov 29 06:41:28 2016
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 02:41:28 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and roommates
Message-ID: <0OHE00GN65A0JT90@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi all,

As you probably know, I am currently a college freshman and 
really enjoy it so far.  However, I have experienced major issues 
with my two roommates throughout the course of the semester.  It 
seems to me that both of them are not very organized with their 
belongings, and that I am the most organized out of the three of 
us.  The first incident that happened was back in September, when 
one of my mates charged his laptop using my power strip while I 
was home for the weekend, and I therefore didn't notice until 
when I returned to campus on Monday morning.  Also, the same guy 
took his lamp and put it on my desk rather than his own, and also 
put one sock of his under my bed and the other one under his.  
Also, both of them often times invite their friends into our rom, 
and it can get pretty rowdy.  Most nights, they  stay up later 
than me - usually until 1:30 or 2:00 AM.  While I personally 
don't have a problem with this, it does irritate me that they are 
staying up listening to music and watching TV while I'm trying to 
get some rest for the next day.  It also seems as though they 
take full advantage of the fact that I go home every weekend to 
get into or even steal my personal posessions.  For example, they 
took away my desk chair without any notice to me, and didn't 
bring it back to my desk until the following Monday, and even so, 
I had to ask them to give it back to me.  The last straw happened 
just today, when I discovered that they had stolen my night table 
next to my bed.  I have no idea why they did that, but that's 
what they did.  Fortunately, they restored it, but I was really 
shocked and angry that they did this.

So as you can see, I've had some rather major issues with my 
roommates throughout the whole semester.  The things that they've 
been doing are very disrespectful to me personally.  I reported 
most of these concerns to the director of Residence Life just 
this morning, but he just responded to just have a conversation 
with my roommates, and that if it didn't work, we just have a 
meeting with them as well as my RA to figure out what to do next.

It's also very unfortunate that, one of my accommodations was to 
have a single room, but that request was never granted to me.  
When I confronted the Residence Life director, he simply 
responded that they did try to accommodate my request by only 
putting me in a unit for four, because apparently all the other 
units have up to seven people in them.  Although, as you can see, 
that wasn't exactly what I asked for.

So I had a few questions for you guys: first, do you think that 
my roommates have been taking advantage of my absence over the 
weekend, as well as maybe my blindness, (like maybe thinking, 
"Oh, he's blind, he won't notice") to use and/or steal my 
belongings? Second, what kinds of things should I do to prevent 
this from happening again in the future?

I  hope you can get back to me soon, because this is really a 
serious matter for me.

Thanks and enjoy your week,

Sami


From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 29 13:43:34 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 08:43:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and roommates
Message-ID: <583d8635.1507370a.81b34.bdc3@mx.google.com>

They probably don't think using your chair or your power strip is 
a big deal if you're not using it at the moment.  This all sounds 
pretty normal to me.  If they were actually stealing things and 
say selling them or taking them out of the dorm it would be 
different, but it sounds like they just use the stuff that's in 
the appartment and don't really worry about who it belongs to.  
My advice would be to loosen up a bit (unless there's more 
serious stuff going on that you haven't mentioned).  Failing 
that, maybe have a respectful conversation with them and explain 
that it really bothers you when they use your things.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Sami Osborne via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 02:41:28 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and roommates

Hi all,

As you probably know, I am currently a college freshman and
really enjoy it so far.  However, I have experienced major issues
with my two roommates throughout the course of the semester.  It
seems to me that both of them are not very organized with their
belongings, and that I am the most organized out of the three of
us.  The first incident that happened was back in September, when
one of my mates charged his laptop using my power strip while I
was home for the weekend, and I therefore didn't notice until
when I returned to campus on Monday morning.  Also, the same guy
took his lamp and put it on my desk rather than his own, and also
put one sock of his under my bed and the other one under his.
Also, both of them often times invite their friends into our rom,
and it can get pretty rowdy.  Most nights, they  stay up later
than me - usually until 1:30 or 2:00 AM.  While I personally
don't have a problem with this, it does irritate me that they are
staying up listening to music and watching TV while I'm trying to
get some rest for the next day.  It also seems as though they
take full advantage of the fact that I go home every weekend to
get into or even steal my personal posessions.  For example, they
took away my desk chair without any notice to me, and didn't
bring it back to my desk until the following Monday, and even so,
I had to ask them to give it back to me.  The last straw happened
just today, when I discovered that they had stolen my night table
next to my bed.  I have no idea why they did that, but that's
what they did.  Fortunately, they restored it, but I was really
shocked and angry that they did this.

So as you can see, I've had some rather major issues with my
roommates throughout the whole semester.  The things that they've
been doing are very disrespectful to me personally.  I reported
most of these concerns to the director of Residence Life just
this morning, but he just responded to just have a conversation
with my roommates, and that if it didn't work, we just have a
meeting with them as well as my RA to figure out what to do next.

It's also very unfortunate that, one of my accommodations was to
have a single room, but that request was never granted to me.
When I confronted the Residence Life director, he simply
responded that they did try to accommodate my request by only
putting me in a unit for four, because apparently all the other
units have up to seven people in them.  Although, as you can see,
that wasn't exactly what I asked for.

So I had a few questions for you guys: first, do you think that
my roommates have been taking advantage of my absence over the
weekend, as well as maybe my blindness, (like maybe thinking,
"Oh, he's blind, he won't notice") to use and/or steal my
belongings? Second, what kinds of things should I do to prevent
this from happening again in the future?

I  hope you can get back to me soon, because this is really a
serious matter for me.

Thanks and enjoy your week,

Sami

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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 29 14:10:12 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 09:10:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and roommates
In-Reply-To: <0OHE00GN65A0JT90@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0OHE00GN65A0JT90@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net>
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Sami,

Sorry to hear this. You did what I'd do. You already reported this to your 
resident director. I think you should talk to them nicely. Tell them you 
need to sleep by a certain time; perhaps 11:00 for the next day and ask them 
if their guests could be a bit quieter.
Yes you'd need to talk to them and then meet with your resident assistant or 
the resident director. I had issues with my roomate  too although not as 
bad. Like your situation, she invited either her boyfriend or someone else 
late to  our room and they had the tv on. She also took over some of my side 
of the room. She was not at all respectful of my desires to sleep or do what 
I needed to do. Fortunately, she did not take my stuff even though I left 
for the weekend. I had a meeting with her and my RA which did nothing to 
solve the issues.

The next semester I switched rooms. My suggestion Ii s you talk to your 
roommates and then the director with them. If that fails to work, switch 
rooms next semester. You could also take a lot of your stuff home on 
weekends so they do not take it. You could put your valuable things in a 
locked place perhaps; I think you can buy containers or drawers that can 
lock up.

They may be taking advantage of you, but they may do this to anyone; you 
never know. Maybe they are just real rude people.
If they actually steal something and do not give it back, remember you can 
report that to the police; most schools have a police department. If they 
harrass you, that is also reportable.

Not sure what else to suggest. I hope something works out and keep us 
posted.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Sami Osborne via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 1:41 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Sami Osborne
Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and roommates

Hi all,

As you probably know, I am currently a college freshman and
really enjoy it so far.  However, I have experienced major issues
with my two roommates throughout the course of the semester.  It
seems to me that both of them are not very organized with their
belongings, and that I am the most organized out of the three of
us.  The first incident that happened was back in September, when
one of my mates charged his laptop using my power strip while I
was home for the weekend, and I therefore didn't notice until
when I returned to campus on Monday morning.  Also, the same guy
took his lamp and put it on my desk rather than his own, and also
put one sock of his under my bed and the other one under his.
Also, both of them often times invite their friends into our rom,
and it can get pretty rowdy.  Most nights, they  stay up later
than me - usually until 1:30 or 2:00 AM.  While I personally
don't have a problem with this, it does irritate me that they are
staying up listening to music and watching TV while I'm trying to
get some rest for the next day.  It also seems as though they
take full advantage of the fact that I go home every weekend to
get into or even steal my personal posessions.  For example, they
took away my desk chair without any notice to me, and didn't
bring it back to my desk until the following Monday, and even so,
I had to ask them to give it back to me.  The last straw happened
just today, when I discovered that they had stolen my night table
next to my bed.  I have no idea why they did that, but that's
what they did.  Fortunately, they restored it, but I was really
shocked and angry that they did this.

So as you can see, I've had some rather major issues with my
roommates throughout the whole semester.  The things that they've
been doing are very disrespectful to me personally.  I reported
most of these concerns to the director of Residence Life just
this morning, but he just responded to just have a conversation
with my roommates, and that if it didn't work, we just have a
meeting with them as well as my RA to figure out what to do next.

It's also very unfortunate that, one of my accommodations was to
have a single room, but that request was never granted to me.
When I confronted the Residence Life director, he simply
responded that they did try to accommodate my request by only
putting me in a unit for four, because apparently all the other
units have up to seven people in them.  Although, as you can see,
that wasn't exactly what I asked for.

So I had a few questions for you guys: first, do you think that
my roommates have been taking advantage of my absence over the
weekend, as well as maybe my blindness, (like maybe thinking,
"Oh, he's blind, he won't notice") to use and/or steal my
belongings? Second, what kinds of things should I do to prevent
this from happening again in the future?

I  hope you can get back to me soon, because this is really a
serious matter for me.

Thanks and enjoy your week,

Sami

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From kestomberg at coe.edu  Tue Nov 29 14:41:17 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 08:41:17 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and roommates
In-Reply-To: <ADA243BA07224B93BF139A950B43FE03@OwnerPC>
References: <0OHE00GN65A0JT90@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net>
	<ADA243BA07224B93BF139A950B43FE03@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <D0AC140E-AFC6-4516-A0BA-AB114BF012B4@coe.edu>

If they are using your stuff on the weekends when you are not there, it sounds as though they would do that anyway regardless of whether you are blind or not. However, that does not make it OK. Have you made this clear to them? Have you made it understood by them that they are not allowed to use your stuff, simply because you were not there? That would be the next step, I would think.
One thing that some roommates at my school do is come up with a roommate agreement which all of them sign as well as the resident assistant. When there are problems like this, the resident assistant usually makes a roommate agreement mandatory. I don't know if your school has anything in place that would allow you to do that, but you could talk to your RA, and see if it's an option.
When it comes to talking to the director of residence life, baron mind that they really don't like dealing with issues like this. They get a lot of them throughout the year, and it's a tough process for them to take care of rather than you your roommates and you're Resident assistant. 
In terms of not getting your accommodations, that doesn't really surprise me. When it comes to residence life, it is very difficult to get a single room as a first-year college student, unless you have a very good reason for it. For example my school believed that blind this wouldn't necessarily be a good reason for a single room. Unless I had some other condition that dictated that I needed it.
I am sorry you are having a roommate trouble.
I hope everything goes well!
Kennedy

Kennedy Stomberg 
(218)295-2391 

> On Nov 29, 2016, at 8:10 AM, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Sami,
> 
> Sorry to hear this. You did what I'd do. You already reported this to your resident director. I think you should talk to them nicely. Tell them you need to sleep by a certain time; perhaps 11:00 for the next day and ask them if their guests could be a bit quieter.
> Yes you'd need to talk to them and then meet with your resident assistant or the resident director. I had issues with my roomate  too although not as bad. Like your situation, she invited either her boyfriend or someone else late to  our room and they had the tv on. She also took over some of my side of the room. She was not at all respectful of my desires to sleep or do what I needed to do. Fortunately, she did not take my stuff even though I left for the weekend. I had a meeting with her and my RA which did nothing to solve the issues.
> 
> The next semester I switched rooms. My suggestion Ii s you talk to your roommates and then the director with them. If that fails to work, switch rooms next semester. You could also take a lot of your stuff home on weekends so they do not take it. You could put your valuable things in a locked place perhaps; I think you can buy containers or drawers that can lock up.
> 
> They may be taking advantage of you, but they may do this to anyone; you never know. Maybe they are just real rude people.
> If they actually steal something and do not give it back, remember you can report that to the police; most schools have a police department. If they harrass you, that is also reportable.
> 
> Not sure what else to suggest. I hope something works out and keep us posted.
> 
> Ashley
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Sami Osborne via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 1:41 AM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Sami Osborne
> Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and roommates
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> As you probably know, I am currently a college freshman and
> really enjoy it so far.  However, I have experienced major issues
> with my two roommates throughout the course of the semester.  It
> seems to me that both of them are not very organized with their
> belongings, and that I am the most organized out of the three of
> us.  The first incident that happened was back in September, when
> one of my mates charged his laptop using my power strip while I
> was home for the weekend, and I therefore didn't notice until
> when I returned to campus on Monday morning.  Also, the same guy
> took his lamp and put it on my desk rather than his own, and also
> put one sock of his under my bed and the other one under his.
> Also, both of them often times invite their friends into our rom,
> and it can get pretty rowdy.  Most nights, they  stay up later
> than me - usually until 1:30 or 2:00 AM.  While I personally
> don't have a problem with this, it does irritate me that they are
> staying up listening to music and watching TV while I'm trying to
> get some rest for the next day.  It also seems as though they
> take full advantage of the fact that I go home every weekend to
> get into or even steal my personal posessions.  For example, they
> took away my desk chair without any notice to me, and didn't
> bring it back to my desk until the following Monday, and even so,
> I had to ask them to give it back to me.  The last straw happened
> just today, when I discovered that they had stolen my night table
> next to my bed.  I have no idea why they did that, but that's
> what they did.  Fortunately, they restored it, but I was really
> shocked and angry that they did this.
> 
> So as you can see, I've had some rather major issues with my
> roommates throughout the whole semester.  The things that they've
> been doing are very disrespectful to me personally.  I reported
> most of these concerns to the director of Residence Life just
> this morning, but he just responded to just have a conversation
> with my roommates, and that if it didn't work, we just have a
> meeting with them as well as my RA to figure out what to do next.
> 
> It's also very unfortunate that, one of my accommodations was to
> have a single room, but that request was never granted to me.
> When I confronted the Residence Life director, he simply
> responded that they did try to accommodate my request by only
> putting me in a unit for four, because apparently all the other
> units have up to seven people in them.  Although, as you can see,
> that wasn't exactly what I asked for.
> 
> So I had a few questions for you guys: first, do you think that
> my roommates have been taking advantage of my absence over the
> weekend, as well as maybe my blindness, (like maybe thinking,
> "Oh, he's blind, he won't notice") to use and/or steal my
> belongings? Second, what kinds of things should I do to prevent
> this from happening again in the future?
> 
> I  hope you can get back to me soon, because this is really a
> serious matter for me.
> 
> Thanks and enjoy your week,
> 
> Sami
> 
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Tue Nov 29 16:20:12 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 08:20:12 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and roommates
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Hi Sami,
I'm so sorry to hear about your roommate difficulties. I am in a single room and they really should have given you one.
I can't remember which college you go to, but does your work have a residential minister? I have one, and I'm not really sure how much power he holds but you may be able to talk to him about ideas.
Some people are just very, very disorganised. I think it might be because if they lived in their own rooms at home, they never had to worry about where things were placed.  While I  completely understand your annoyance, I agree with others in that at least they put everything back and they might have done the same whether you were sighted or blind.
As for  your roommates inviting their friends around, I have a sighted friend at school with the same issue. She tried to subtly hint it but they either couldn't or wouldn't take the hint, so you need to be direct. Maybe ask them if instead of inviting their friends over, if they go to their friends dorms instead.
Vejas 

> On Nov 28, 2016, at 22:41, Sami Osborne via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> As you probably know, I am currently a college freshman and really enjoy it so far.  However, I have experienced major issues with my two roommates throughout the course of the semester.  It seems to me that both of them are not very organized with their belongings, and that I am the most organized out of the three of us.  The first incident that happened was back in September, when one of my mates charged his laptop using my power strip while I was home for the weekend, and I therefore didn't notice until when I returned to campus on Monday morning.  Also, the same guy took his lamp and put it on my desk rather than his own, and also put one sock of his under my bed and the other one under his.  Also, both of them often times invite their friends into our rom, and it can get pretty rowdy.  Most nights, they  stay up later than me - usually until 1:30 or 2:00 AM.  While I personally don't have a problem with this, it does irritate me that they are staying up listening to music and watching TV while I'm trying to get some rest for the next day.  It also seems as though they take full advantage of the fact that I go home every weekend to get into or even steal my personal posessions.  For example, they took away my desk chair without any notice to me, and didn't bring it back to my desk until the following Monday, and even so, I had to ask them to give it back to me.  The last straw happened just today, when I discovered that they had stolen my night table next to my bed.  I have no idea why they did that, but that's what they did.  Fortunately, they restored it, but I was really shocked and angry that they did this.
> 
> So as you can see, I've had some rather major issues with my roommates throughout the whole semester.  The things that they've been doing are very disrespectful to me personally.  I reported most of these concerns to the director of Residence Life just this morning, but he just responded to just have a conversation with my roommates, and that if it didn't work, we just have a meeting with them as well as my RA to figure out what to do next.
> 
> It's also very unfortunate that, one of my accommodations was to have a single room, but that request was never granted to me.  When I confronted the Residence Life director, he simply responded that they did try to accommodate my request by only putting me in a unit for four, because apparently all the other units have up to seven people in them.  Although, as you can see, that wasn't exactly what I asked for.
> 
> So I had a few questions for you guys: first, do you think that my roommates have been taking advantage of my absence over the weekend, as well as maybe my blindness, (like maybe thinking, "Oh, he's blind, he won't notice") to use and/or steal my belongings? Second, what kinds of things should I do to prevent this from happening again in the future?
> 
> I  hope you can get back to me soon, because this is really a serious matter for me.
> 
> Thanks and enjoy your week,
> 
> Sami
> 
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From rob.parso3389 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 29 16:54:50 2016
From: rob.parso3389 at gmail.com (Robert Parsons )
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 11:54:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Virginia Association of Blind Students Washington seminar
 Call-In
Message-ID: <002501d24a61$4d329750$e797c5f0$@gmail.com>

Good Morning Students and Federation Family

 

I hope that your Thanksgiving holiday was all that was to be desired. I am
writing in hopes of reminding you all of the upcoming Virginia Association
of Blind Students (VABS) conference call that will be held on Wednesday,
December 7, 2016 at 7pm. This is an important conference call for any
students and chapter members that are interested in the topics being
discussed and supported at the Richmond and Washington seminars in January.
At 7pm, the newly elected student officers will be introducing themselves
and explaining what their goals for the division will be. At 7:15pm, the
Virginia representative of the National Association of Blind Students
(NABS), Luke Schwinck, will be speaking to the group about the student's
role in Washington Seminar as per national federation philosophy. Finally,
at 7:45pm, our past affiliate president, Michael Kasey, will be discussing
the students and chapter member's responsibility to their affiliate at both
Washington and Richmond seminar. I truly believe that anyone that will be
attending either of these seminars should be present to hear what these two
seasoned Federationists will be bringing to the table. This is an ideal
informational session for any first time attendees, students, and veteran
affiliate members that may have a few questions about their role at both
seminars.

 

The call-in credentials for the VABS informational conference call is 641
715 3655. The access code is 568305. I look forward to hearing from any new
friends that would like to listen in.

 

With Love and Respect

Robert E. Parsons Jr.

President, Virginia Association of Blind Students

National Federation of the Blind of Virginia

www.nfbv.org

 

 

Robert E. Parsons Jr.

Vice President, Richmond Chapter

National Federation of the Blind of Virginia (NFBV)

J. Sargeant Reynolds Community College '17

Alpha Delta Mu National Music and Social Work Fraternity

Phi Theta Kappa International Honor Society '15

www.nfbv.org <http://www.nfbv.org> 

Phone: 804 200 3275

"Persist Until Success Happens." -Thomas Bailey

 


From jj at bestmidi.com  Tue Nov 29 19:20:13 2016
From: jj at bestmidi.com (J.J. Meddaugh)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 14:20:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and roommates
In-Reply-To: <3B4E3744-B8B9-42C1-BCEC-58F9F0A5FA71@gmail.com>
References: <0OHE00GN65A0JT90@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net>
	<3B4E3744-B8B9-42C1-BCEC-58F9F0A5FA71@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3abfae31-39f1-babc-54a1-cce63ecdeeb9@bestmidi.com>

You wrote:

 >Hi Sami,


I disagree with this on principle. Having roommates and dealing with 
them is a part of life. Your situation is certainly unfortunate and you 
should talk to your roommates directly and then to your RA if that 
doesn't resolve things who may be able to move you to another room. I 
don't agree with needing your own room as an accommodation since most 
roommate issues are just that and not blindness issues. Plus learning to 
work with and deal with roommates is a part of the college experience.
Of course this is just one opinion and if you choose to do it 
differently, that's totally OK.





On 11/29/2016 11:20 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote:
> Hi Sami,
> I'm so sorry to hear about your roommate difficulties. I am in a single room and they really should have given you one.
> I can't remember which college you go to, but does your work have a residential minister? I have one, and I'm not really sure how much power he holds but you may be able to talk to him about ideas.
> Some people are just very, very disorganised. I think it might be because if they lived in their own rooms at home, they never had to worry about where things were placed.  While I  completely understand your annoyance, I agree with others in that at least they put everything back and they might have done the same whether you were sighted or blind.
> As for  your roommates inviting their friends around, I have a sighted friend at school with the same issue. She tried to subtly hint it but they either couldn't or wouldn't take the hint, so you need to be direct. Maybe ask them if instead of inviting their friends over, if they go to their friends dorms instead.
> Vejas
>
>> On Nov 28, 2016, at 22:41, Sami Osborne via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> As you probably know, I am currently a college freshman and really enjoy it so far.  However, I have experienced major issues with my two roommates throughout the course of the semester.  It seems to me that both of them are not very organized with their belongings, and that I am the most organized out of the three of us.  The first incident that happened was back in September, when one of my mates charged his laptop using my power strip while I was home for the weekend, and I therefore didn't notice until when I returned to campus on Monday morning.  Also, the same guy took his lamp and put it on my desk rather than his own, and also put one sock of his under my bed and the other one under his.  Also, both of them often times invite their friends into our rom, and it can get pretty rowdy.  Most nights, they  stay up later than me - usually until 1:30 or 2:00 AM.  While I personally don't have a problem with this, it does irritate me that they are staying up listening to music and watching TV while I'm trying to get some rest for the next day.  It also seems as though they take full advantage of the fact that I go home every weekend to get into or even steal my personal posessions.  For example, they took away my desk chair without any notice to me, and didn't bring it back to my desk until the following Monday, and even so, I had to ask them to give it back to me.  The last straw happened just today, when I discovered that they had stolen my night table next to my bed.  I have no idea why they did that, but that's what they did.  Fortunately, they restored it, but I was really shocked and angry that they did this.
>>
>> So as you can see, I've had some rather major issues with my roommates throughout the whole semester.  The things that they've been doing are very disrespectful to me personally.  I reported most of these concerns to the director of Residence Life just this morning, but he just responded to just have a conversation with my roommates, and that if it didn't work, we just have a meeting with them as well as my RA to figure out what to do next.
>>
>> It's also very unfortunate that, one of my accommodations was to have a single room, but that request was never granted to me.  When I confronted the Residence Life director, he simply responded that they did try to accommodate my request by only putting me in a unit for four, because apparently all the other units have up to seven people in them.  Although, as you can see, that wasn't exactly what I asked for.
>>
>> So I had a few questions for you guys: first, do you think that my roommates have been taking advantage of my absence over the weekend, as well as maybe my blindness, (like maybe thinking, "Oh, he's blind, he won't notice") to use and/or steal my belongings? Second, what kinds of things should I do to prevent this from happening again in the future?
>>
>> I  hope you can get back to me soon, because this is really a serious matter for me.
>>
>> Thanks and enjoy your week,
>>
>> Sami
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Tue Nov 29 19:34:48 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 11:34:48 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Microsoft Excel in the Classroom
Message-ID: <583dd87b.17df620a.76a1.9fbe@mx.google.com>

Hi All,
Next semester, I am going to be taking a cath lab that requires 
the use of Microsoft Excel for every session.  It is once a week 
for about an hour and a half.
My teacher has said that most of the assignments are done with 
partners.
How would you approach these partner assignments? I could bring 
my laptop and put in headphones to listen to JAWS, but that would 
make it harder for me to listen to my partner.  On the other 
hand, however, I don't want partner doing the majority of the 
work.
Please tell me how you would go about this.  My teacher is very 
open to any suggesttions that I can bring to the table.
Thanks,
Vejas


From garywunder at me.com  Tue Nov 29 21:16:27 2016
From: garywunder at me.com (Gary Wunder)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 15:16:27 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Microsoft Excel in the Classroom
In-Reply-To: <583dd87b.17df620a.76a1.9fbe@mx.google.com>
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Message-ID: <010301d24a85$d9800fc0$8c802f40$@me.com>

Do you have a portable Braille display?


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Subject: [nabs-l] Microsoft Excel in the Classroom

Hi All,
Next semester, I am going to be taking a cath lab that requires the use of
Microsoft Excel for every session.  It is once a week for about an hour and
a half.
My teacher has said that most of the assignments are done with partners.
How would you approach these partner assignments? I could bring my laptop
and put in headphones to listen to JAWS, but that would make it harder for
me to listen to my partner.  On the other hand, however, I don't want
partner doing the majority of the work.
Please tell me how you would go about this.  My teacher is very open to any
suggesttions that I can bring to the table.
Thanks,
Vejas

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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Tue Nov 29 21:24:54 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 13:24:54 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Microsoft Excel in the Classroom
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	<010301d24a85$d9800fc0$8c802f40$@me.com>
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Yes, I have paired up my braillenote Apex with my laptop in the past.
Thank you. I had not thought of this.
Vejas 

> On Nov 29, 2016, at 13:16, Gary Wunder via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Do you have a portable Braille display?
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
> Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 1:35 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas
> Subject: [nabs-l] Microsoft Excel in the Classroom
> 
> Hi All,
> Next semester, I am going to be taking a cath lab that requires the use of
> Microsoft Excel for every session.  It is once a week for about an hour and
> a half.
> My teacher has said that most of the assignments are done with partners.
> How would you approach these partner assignments? I could bring my laptop
> and put in headphones to listen to JAWS, but that would make it harder for
> me to listen to my partner.  On the other hand, however, I don't want
> partner doing the majority of the work.
> Please tell me how you would go about this.  My teacher is very open to any
> suggesttions that I can bring to the table.
> Thanks,
> Vejas
> 
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From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Tue Nov 29 21:45:57 2016
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 15:45:57 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Microsoft Excel in the Classroom
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	<24889857-519D-4C52-9A1F-62002F7F0C1E@gmail.com>
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Vejas,

The braille display is probably your best bet, but in case it helps in other
situations, I often participate in meetings by only putting one earphone in
one ear and then tucking the other inside my shirt collar.  This, of course,
is when using the type of earphone that is not on a band.  

The nice thing about a braille display is that you probably will be entering
numbers or measurements which are easier for me to deal with in braille.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Yes, I have paired up my braillenote Apex with my laptop in the past.
Thank you. I had not thought of this.
Vejas 

> On Nov 29, 2016, at 13:16, Gary Wunder via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> Do you have a portable Braille display?
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 1:35 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas
> Subject: [nabs-l] Microsoft Excel in the Classroom
> 
> Hi All,
> Next semester, I am going to be taking a cath lab that requires the use of
> Microsoft Excel for every session.  It is once a week for about an hour
and
> a half.
> My teacher has said that most of the assignments are done with partners.
> How would you approach these partner assignments? I could bring my laptop
> and put in headphones to listen to JAWS, but that would make it harder for
> me to listen to my partner.  On the other hand, however, I don't want
> partner doing the majority of the work.
> Please tell me how you would go about this.  My teacher is very open to
any
> suggesttions that I can bring to the table.
> Thanks,
> Vejas
> 
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From lizzym0827 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 30 13:04:57 2016
From: lizzym0827 at gmail.com (Lizzy)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 08:04:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and roommates
Message-ID: <583ece9e.48c3370a.c93b7.07e0@mx.google.com>

Hi Sami,
At most colleges, on-campus housing is hard to get and single 
rooms are a luxury.  The problems that you've mentioned seem like 
the product of a bad roommate matching process, and don't appear 
to have anything to do with blindness.  Definitely try to switch 
rooms for next semester.  Keep in close touch with your RA and 
the director of Residence Life to make sure it happens.  You 
might not get a single room, but just ask for roommates who have 
similar sleeping hours/social lives to your own.  They should be 
able to match you based on complaints that they've received from 
other students throughout the semester.  This is definitely not 
uncommon for any first-year student, and is typically cleared up 
after a roommate switch.
Best,
Lizzy


From gallagher123123 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 30 16:52:05 2016
From: gallagher123123 at gmail.com (Cullen Gallagher)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 11:52:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Hotel information for 2017 convention?
Message-ID: <583f03b9.4729ed0a.688b6.4642@mx.google.com>

Hi All,
Does anyone know when the hotel information for next year's convention will be published? It seems like they are a bit late with it this year. The information on the convention page has not changed. I'm just curious.
Cullen

From ALewis at nfb.org  Wed Nov 30 16:57:25 2016
From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 16:57:25 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Hotel information for 2017 convention?
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The information on the convention page will be updated in the next few days, and 2017 convention information should also be available in the December Braille Monitor, which should come out this week.

Anil

Anil Lewis, M.P.A.
 (410) 659-9314 x 2374 
National Federation of the Blind


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Hi All,
Does anyone know when the hotel information for next year's convention will be published? It seems like they are a bit late with it this year. The information on the convention page has not changed. I'm just curious.
Cullen
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From gallagher123123 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 30 17:02:06 2016
From: gallagher123123 at gmail.com (Cullen Gallagher)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 12:02:06 -0500
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Good to know, thank you. 
Cullen

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> The information on the convention page will be updated in the next few days, and 2017 convention information should also be available in the December Braille Monitor, which should come out this week. 
>
> Anil 
>
> Anil Lewis, M.P.A. 
> (410) 659-9314 x 2374 
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 30 21:44:50 2016
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 16:44:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and roommates
Message-ID: <583f4869.9292810a.e1ee2.1557@mx.google.com>

Hi Sami thanks for your message.  It sounds like you are having a 
lot of problems with your roommates.  I would try to have a 
conversation with them about what they are doing.  I think they 
are definitely taking advantage of your blindness to steal your 
things.


From kenia.flores101 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 30 22:13:53 2016
From: kenia.flores101 at gmail.com (Kenia Flores)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 17:13:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and footnotes
Message-ID: <CAFKMa7GPdm94NXF9O6BP4XiGRcwNn9czcXopPfw7d6Uro16tjQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I hope you are all doing well. I need to write a paper for my seminar
and footnotes are required. The disability services office at my
school typically separates footnotes from the text that they have
converted for me, so I don't have much experience with footnotes. Can
someone please share commands for creating and editing footnotes using
JAWS?

Thanks,
Kenia


From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 30 22:42:14 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 17:42:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and footnotes
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What jaws and version of office are you using?
 Justin

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Hi all,

I hope you are all doing well. I need to write a paper for my seminar and
footnotes are required. The disability services office at my school
typically separates footnotes from the text that they have converted for me,
so I don't have much experience with footnotes. Can someone please share
commands for creating and editing footnotes using JAWS?

Thanks,
Kenia

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From kenia.flores101 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 30 23:44:20 2016
From: kenia.flores101 at gmail.com (Kenia Flores)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 18:44:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and footnotes
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Hi Justin,

I'm using office 16 and JAWS 16.

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> What jaws and version of office are you using?
>  Justin
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and footnotes
>
> Hi all,
>
> I hope you are all doing well. I need to write a paper for my seminar and
> footnotes are required. The disability services office at my school
> typically separates footnotes from the text that they have converted for
> me,
> so I don't have much experience with footnotes. Can someone please share
> commands for creating and editing footnotes using JAWS?
>
> Thanks,
> Kenia
>
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