From emitchell927 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  1 12:08:01 2016
From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 08:08:01 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] help on resources for learning braille
Message-ID: <AA084135-F5F8-4E49-9865-A061573B3D9C@gmail.com>

Hey, Everyone, 
I was wondering if anyone knew resources for learning braille? Can anyone at the National Federation of the Blind teach me?
sincerely, Emma Jane Mitchell

From kskristen at gmail.com  Sat Oct  1 14:15:39 2016
From: kskristen at gmail.com (Kristen Steele)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 09:15:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] help on resources for learning braille
In-Reply-To: <AA084135-F5F8-4E49-9865-A061573B3D9C@gmail.com>
References: <AA084135-F5F8-4E49-9865-A061573B3D9C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD6Dm-1Bm1pS-6UrMtsvKsVcDriV_UraOmjz--BW85KDWnSvUg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, Emma--

I would get in touch with the Hadley Institute (info at hadley.edu). They
provide distance education courses in all levels of Braille and will
place you in the right course with a diagnostic assessment. Their
instructors are very informative and easy to work with.

Do you know any Braille? If you have a slight background, there is a
publication available from NFB called the UEB Reader, which introduces
the new symbols/rules of UEB, as well as reviews the alphabet,
numbers, etc.

I am highly proficient with Braille and have used it for about 15
years now. If you ever have a specific question or just want to write
back and forth to practice, feel free to contact me.

Hope this helps, and best of luck!
--
Kristen

On 10/1/16, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hey, Everyone,
> I was wondering if anyone knew resources for learning braille? Can anyone at
> the National Federation of the Blind teach me?
> sincerely, Emma Jane Mitchell
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  1 14:18:15 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 10:18:15 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] vetinarians
Message-ID: <00e901d21bee$a6d26b60$f4774220$@gmail.com>

Does anyone know of vetinarians who are totally blind?

Justin


From rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  1 14:42:21 2016
From: rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com (andrew edgcumbe)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 10:42:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] help on resources for learning braille
In-Reply-To: <CAD6Dm-1Bm1pS-6UrMtsvKsVcDriV_UraOmjz--BW85KDWnSvUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AA084135-F5F8-4E49-9865-A061573B3D9C@gmail.com>
	<CAD6Dm-1Bm1pS-6UrMtsvKsVcDriV_UraOmjz--BW85KDWnSvUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGcQ9RaaWW_G8=dQTinB1n749A8VPRKOAOAfY0K3oQFANY2S0Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi  I have a friend in my building appartment building whom wants to
actually learn braille she has no computer nor working tape player and  she
just wants to learn how to read it and things.  she is visually impaired
herself. I use braille myself but not grade 2 braille. Is the new U A B
​

From rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  1 14:43:31 2016
From: rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com (andrew edgcumbe)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 10:43:31 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] help on resources for learning braille
In-Reply-To: <CAD6Dm-1Bm1pS-6UrMtsvKsVcDriV_UraOmjz--BW85KDWnSvUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AA084135-F5F8-4E49-9865-A061573B3D9C@gmail.com>
	<CAD6Dm-1Bm1pS-6UrMtsvKsVcDriV_UraOmjz--BW85KDWnSvUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGcQ9RbAsm3TuEDoFHH7RXT7hovxwvyYEFEGkbtUyd0vJwd0TQ@mail.gmail.com>

is the new U A B  cources abvailable from hadly as i might want to learn to
read grade 2 braille or now known as U A B.

On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Kristen Steele via NABS-L <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi, Emma--
>
> I would get in touch with the Hadley Institute (info at hadley.edu). They
> provide distance education courses in all levels of Braille and will
> place you in the right course with a diagnostic assessment. Their
> instructors are very informative and easy to work with.
>
> Do you know any Braille? If you have a slight background, there is a
> publication available from NFB called the UEB Reader, which introduces
> the new symbols/rules of UEB, as well as reviews the alphabet,
> numbers, etc.
>
> I am highly proficient with Braille and have used it for about 15
> years now. If you ever have a specific question or just want to write
> back and forth to practice, feel free to contact me.
>
> Hope this helps, and best of luck!
> --
> Kristen
>
> On 10/1/16, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Hey, Everyone,
> > I was wondering if anyone knew resources for learning braille? Can
> anyone at
> > the National Federation of the Blind teach me?
> > sincerely, Emma Jane Mitchell
> > _______________________________________________
> > NABS-L mailing list
> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > NABS-L:
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/
> kskristen%40gmail.com
> >
>
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From rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  1 14:44:15 2016
From: rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com (andrew edgcumbe)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 10:44:15 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] help on resources for learning braille
In-Reply-To: <CAD6Dm-1Bm1pS-6UrMtsvKsVcDriV_UraOmjz--BW85KDWnSvUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AA084135-F5F8-4E49-9865-A061573B3D9C@gmail.com>
	<CAD6Dm-1Bm1pS-6UrMtsvKsVcDriV_UraOmjz--BW85KDWnSvUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGcQ9RaJMOezY-aMQxqZZ4ME6RjLr_Y148c1OkNAZ1Z_Qe3Lfg@mail.gmail.com>

like what i ment to say are they abvailable from hadly yet?

On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Kristen Steele via NABS-L <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi, Emma--
>
> I would get in touch with the Hadley Institute (info at hadley.edu). They
> provide distance education courses in all levels of Braille and will
> place you in the right course with a diagnostic assessment. Their
> instructors are very informative and easy to work with.
>
> Do you know any Braille? If you have a slight background, there is a
> publication available from NFB called the UEB Reader, which introduces
> the new symbols/rules of UEB, as well as reviews the alphabet,
> numbers, etc.
>
> I am highly proficient with Braille and have used it for about 15
> years now. If you ever have a specific question or just want to write
> back and forth to practice, feel free to contact me.
>
> Hope this helps, and best of luck!
> --
> Kristen
>
> On 10/1/16, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Hey, Everyone,
> > I was wondering if anyone knew resources for learning braille? Can
> anyone at
> > the National Federation of the Blind teach me?
> > sincerely, Emma Jane Mitchell
> > _______________________________________________
> > NABS-L mailing list
> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > NABS-L:
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/
> kskristen%40gmail.com
> >
>
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From robin-melvin at comcast.net  Sat Oct  1 14:51:48 2016
From: robin-melvin at comcast.net (Robin)
Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2016 07:51:48 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] help on resources for learning braille
In-Reply-To: <CAGcQ9RbAsm3TuEDoFHH7RXT7hovxwvyYEFEGkbtUyd0vJwd0TQ@mail.g
	mail.com>
References: <AA084135-F5F8-4E49-9865-A061573B3D9C@gmail.com>
	<CAD6Dm-1Bm1pS-6UrMtsvKsVcDriV_UraOmjz--BW85KDWnSvUg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGcQ9RbAsm3TuEDoFHH7RXT7hovxwvyYEFEGkbtUyd0vJwd0TQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20161001075119.0de51f28@comcast.net>

There is Also An App for that
on
Apple's iOS
At 07:43 AM 10/1/2016, you wrote:
>is the new U A B  cources abvailable from hadly as i might want to learn to
>read grade 2 braille or now known as U A B.
>
>On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Kristen Steele via NABS-L <
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi, Emma--
> >
> > I would get in touch with the Hadley Institute (info at hadley.edu). They
> > provide distance education courses in all levels of Braille and will
> > place you in the right course with a diagnostic assessment. Their
> > instructors are very informative and easy to work with.
> >
> > Do you know any Braille? If you have a slight background, there is a
> > publication available from NFB called the UEB Reader, which introduces
> > the new symbols/rules of UEB, as well as reviews the alphabet,
> > numbers, etc.
> >
> > I am highly proficient with Braille and have used it for about 15
> > years now. If you ever have a specific question or just want to write
> > back and forth to practice, feel free to contact me.
> >
> > Hope this helps, and best of luck!
> > --
> > Kristen
> >
> > On 10/1/16, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > > Hey, Everyone,
> > > I was wondering if anyone knew resources for learning braille? Can
> > anyone at
> > > the National Federation of the Blind teach me?
> > > sincerely, Emma Jane Mitchell
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > NABS-L mailing list
> > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > > NABS-L:
> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/
> > kskristen%40gmail.com
> > >
> >
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> > rollercoasterman86%40gmail.com
> >
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Sat Oct  1 15:45:55 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 08:45:55 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] help on resources for learning braille
In-Reply-To: <AA084135-F5F8-4E49-9865-A061573B3D9C@gmail.com>
References: <AA084135-F5F8-4E49-9865-A061573B3D9C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FE895812-A835-4446-A394-765106A9C499@gmail.com>

I think you should start with all the resources above, but I feel that you should consider, whenever you feel is right, to begin the fight for attending an NFB training center. You can start learning the basic Braille skills now while you're in college, but you should ultimately fight for a training center because then not only will you improve on Braille, but you will have skills in computer, travel, cooking, living skills and wood shop. 
Vejas 

> On Oct 1, 2016, at 05:08, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey, Everyone, 
> I was wondering if anyone knew resources for learning braille? Can anyone at the National Federation of the Blind teach me?
> sincerely, Emma Jane Mitchell
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
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From emitchell927 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  1 15:56:29 2016
From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 11:56:29 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] help on resources for learning braille
In-Reply-To: <FE895812-A835-4446-A394-765106A9C499@gmail.com>
References: <AA084135-F5F8-4E49-9865-A061573B3D9C@gmail.com>
	<FE895812-A835-4446-A394-765106A9C499@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D42747C-48B0-448D-A658-332B7B828944@gmail.com>

thank you, I have but i feel like I’ve gone nowhere and im getting frustrated. they people around me think a screen reader is enough. It is not.
> On Oct 1, 2016, at 11:45 AM, Vejas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I think you should start with all the resources above, but I feel that you should consider, whenever you feel is right, to begin the fight for attending an NFB training center. You can start learning the basic Braille skills now while you're in college, but you should ultimately fight for a training center because then not only will you improve on Braille, but you will have skills in computer, travel, cooking, living skills and wood shop. 
> Vejas 
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 05:08, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey, Everyone, 
>> I was wondering if anyone knew resources for learning braille? Can anyone at the National Federation of the Blind teach me?
>> sincerely, Emma Jane Mitchell
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com
> 
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From taylorarndt99 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  1 16:20:57 2016
From: taylorarndt99 at gmail.com (Taylor Arndt)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 12:20:57 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] help on resources for learning braille
In-Reply-To: <FE895812-A835-4446-A394-765106A9C499@gmail.com>
References: <AA084135-F5F8-4E49-9865-A061573B3D9C@gmail.com>
	<FE895812-A835-4446-A394-765106A9C499@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <531144CA-7B71-4364-990C-E61E2C46CEE3@gmail.com>

If all else fails try going to your local state agency for the blind

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 1, 2016, at 11:45 AM, Vejas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I think you should start with all the resources above, but I feel that you should consider, whenever you feel is right, to begin the fight for attending an NFB training center. You can start learning the basic Braille skills now while you're in college, but you should ultimately fight for a training center because then not only will you improve on Braille, but you will have skills in computer, travel, cooking, living skills and wood shop. 
> Vejas 
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 05:08, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey, Everyone, 
>> I was wondering if anyone knew resources for learning braille? Can anyone at the National Federation of the Blind teach me?
>> sincerely, Emma Jane Mitchell
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com
> 
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From taylorarndt99 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  1 16:21:40 2016
From: taylorarndt99 at gmail.com (Taylor Arndt)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 12:21:40 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] help on resources for learning braille
In-Reply-To: <8D42747C-48B0-448D-A658-332B7B828944@gmail.com>
References: <AA084135-F5F8-4E49-9865-A061573B3D9C@gmail.com>
	<FE895812-A835-4446-A394-765106A9C499@gmail.com>
	<8D42747C-48B0-448D-A658-332B7B828944@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <585F7352-E5FC-4B1D-9782-647494D78A18@gmail.com>

I mean you can make it enough, like for me I cannot read braille due to issues with my fingers but I have learned to adjust it all a matter of learning to adjust

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 1, 2016, at 11:56 AM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> thank you, I have but i feel like I’ve gone nowhere and im getting frustrated. they people around me think a screen reader is enough. It is not.
>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 11:45 AM, Vejas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I think you should start with all the resources above, but I feel that you should consider, whenever you feel is right, to begin the fight for attending an NFB training center. You can start learning the basic Braille skills now while you're in college, but you should ultimately fight for a training center because then not only will you improve on Braille, but you will have skills in computer, travel, cooking, living skills and wood shop. 
>> Vejas 
>> 
>>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 05:08, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey, Everyone, 
>>> I was wondering if anyone knew resources for learning braille? Can anyone at the National Federation of the Blind teach me?
>>> sincerely, Emma Jane Mitchell
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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> 
> 
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From kskristen at gmail.com  Sat Oct  1 21:30:41 2016
From: kskristen at gmail.com (Kristen Steele)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 16:30:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] help on resources for learning braille
In-Reply-To: <585F7352-E5FC-4B1D-9782-647494D78A18@gmail.com>
References: <AA084135-F5F8-4E49-9865-A061573B3D9C@gmail.com>
	<FE895812-A835-4446-A394-765106A9C499@gmail.com>
	<8D42747C-48B0-448D-A658-332B7B828944@gmail.com>
	<585F7352-E5FC-4B1D-9782-647494D78A18@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD6Dm-1aaAuo5whQ7oOuKik90tZu=_P69HXPrg721sH7Gnrv+g@mail.gmail.com>

A screenreader can never replace Braille in my opinion. Hadley will
work one-on-one with you, and it is at your own pace. I would never
want to attend a training center due to the time involved away from
home, but you can learn Braille as home study with Hadley's program.

On 10/1/16, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I mean you can make it enough, like for me I cannot read braille due to
> issues with my fingers but I have learned to adjust it all a matter of
> learning to adjust
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 11:56 AM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> thank you, I have but i feel like I’ve gone nowhere and im getting
>> frustrated. they people around me think a screen reader is enough. It is
>> not.
>>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 11:45 AM, Vejas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think you should start with all the resources above, but I feel that
>>> you should consider, whenever you feel is right, to begin the fight for
>>> attending an NFB training center. You can start learning the basic
>>> Braille skills now while you're in college, but you should ultimately
>>> fight for a training center because then not only will you improve on
>>> Braille, but you will have skills in computer, travel, cooking, living
>>> skills and wood shop.
>>> Vejas
>>>
>>>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 05:08, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey, Everyone,
>>>> I was wondering if anyone knew resources for learning braille? Can
>>>> anyone at the National Federation of the Blind teach me?
>>>> sincerely, Emma Jane Mitchell
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> NABS-L:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>
>>
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From theweird1 at mediacombb.net  Sat Oct  1 21:36:52 2016
From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 16:36:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Legislative Committee meeting
In-Reply-To: jWCUba1ga0eugjWCWbMki5
References: jWCUba1ga0eugjWCWbMki5
Message-ID: <000a01d21c2b$f3390ee0$d9ab2ca0$@mediacombb.net>

Mike,  

Sorry to bother you.  As of yet, I have not received the info you promised.
You may send it to me at:  theweird1 at mediacombb.net    
Thanks.  

Loren Wakefield 



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Hello Everyone,
NABS will be holding its second legislative committee meeting Thursday, Sep.
15 at 9:00 Eastern time. It is not too late to join the committee. Bring
your enthusiasm for legislative action!
Call in number: (605) 475-6700
Access code: 7869673
Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun


National Association of Blind Students,
A proud Division of the National Federation of the Blind Legislative Agenda

(1)	Called to order
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From mausbun at unr.edu  Sat Oct  1 22:19:16 2016
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 22:19:16 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Legislative Committee meeting
In-Reply-To: <000a01d21c2b$f3390ee0$d9ab2ca0$@mediacombb.net>
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	<000a01d21c2b$f3390ee0$d9ab2ca0$@mediacombb.net>
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Loren,
I sent it the night of our last call, and received no bounce-back email. I am not sure why you did not receive it; however, I will resend it shortly.
Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun, Secretary
________________________________________
From: NABS-L [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Loren Wakefield via NABS-L [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 2:36 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Loren Wakefield
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Legislative Committee meeting

Mike,

Sorry to bother you.  As of yet, I have not received the info you promised.
You may send it to me at:  theweird1 at mediacombb.net
Thanks.

Loren Wakefield



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15 at 9:00 Eastern time. It is not too late to join the committee. Bring
your enthusiasm for legislative action!
Call in number: (605) 475-6700
Access code: 7869673
Respectfully,
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A proud Division of the National Federation of the Blind Legislative Agenda

(1)     Called to order
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From taylorarndt99 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  1 22:24:54 2016
From: taylorarndt99 at gmail.com (Taylor Arndt)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 18:24:54 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice on getting textbook in accessible format with image
 descriptions
Message-ID: <008001d21c32$a340c840$e9c258c0$@gmail.com>

Hi all, I am going to have a next semester class where I am going to need a
book with image descriptions. I am taking an economics class, and I'm going
to need to get the images described. However, due to my recent problems
reading Braille, and that I cannot do it anymore. I need to have the image
descriptions be in audio. Do you know of any sources that can give me a
textbook with image description already describing The images so I do not
have to have somebody do it for me. the textbook is called JA economics
student study guide copyright year 2014. I requested it on book share, but
they said they cannot do image description. As I need this service.  I have
the class in a month-and-a-half, I thought I would reach out to you guys so
that I could try to get help on this issue and get it solved thanks a lot

Taylor




From jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com  Sun Oct  2 00:26:28 2016
From: jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com (Jason Polansky)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 20:26:28 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice on getting textbook in accessible format with
 image descriptions
In-Reply-To: <008001d21c32$a340c840$e9c258c0$@gmail.com>
References: <008001d21c32$a340c840$e9c258c0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CD8DBE76-997C-4D36-9026-88FDCB21EEA3@gmail.com>

Hello, I am taking an economics class right now. I'm using a different book that is on Bookshare. It has figures. Even if the book has image descriptions, I think the best way to learn economics is to use braille graph paper and whickey sticks or pins. I would find someone who has taken the class before to serve as a reader and work with them outside of class. An audio description may be helpful, but actually seeing it tactilely will make it click much better.

> On Oct 1, 2016, at 6:24 PM, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all, I am going to have a next semester class where I am going to need a
> book with image descriptions. I am taking an economics class, and I'm going
> to need to get the images described. However, due to my recent problems
> reading Braille, and that I cannot do it anymore. I need to have the image
> descriptions be in audio. Do you know of any sources that can give me a
> textbook with image description already describing The images so I do not
> have to have somebody do it for me. the textbook is called JA economics
> student study guide copyright year 2014. I requested it on book share, but
> they said they cannot do image description. As I need this service.  I have
> the class in a month-and-a-half, I thought I would reach out to you guys so
> that I could try to get help on this issue and get it solved thanks a lot
> 
> Taylor
> 
> 
> 
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From bre.brown24 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  2 10:25:35 2016
From: bre.brown24 at gmail.com (Bre Brown)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 05:25:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Membership committee call reminder
Message-ID: <CACXqA0opSyR6C+n4F24_nrufJwKMuWgHKoj848TfNQC_7aBJHA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

This is just a reminder that we will be having our monthly membership
committee call today at 8:00 pm eastern.
To join us call 605-475-6700 and enter passcode 7869673.
I will paste the agenda below.

*Introductions
*September membership call reflection
*November membership call
*Resource page update
*Twitter chat update
*Ideas, questions, comments
*Adjournment

I look forward to talking to everyone this evening.

Thanks
Bre


From kestomberg at coe.edu  Sun Oct  2 15:06:37 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 10:06:37 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice on getting textbook in accessible format with
 image descriptions
In-Reply-To: <CD8DBE76-997C-4D36-9026-88FDCB21EEA3@gmail.com>
References: <008001d21c32$a340c840$e9c258c0$@gmail.com>
	<CD8DBE76-997C-4D36-9026-88FDCB21EEA3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12BC4A5D-0D9A-4DD0-B1CC-B8CADE4DE3A1@coe.edu>

Have you tried requesting the book through Learning Ally? They give image descriptions. Because it is narrated by actual people, rather than a text to speech voice like bookshare. 

Kennedy Stomberg 
(218)295-2391 

> On Oct 1, 2016, at 7:26 PM, Jason Polansky via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello, I am taking an economics class right now. I'm using a different book that is on Bookshare. It has figures. Even if the book has image descriptions, I think the best way to learn economics is to use braille graph paper and whickey sticks or pins. I would find someone who has taken the class before to serve as a reader and work with them outside of class. An audio description may be helpful, but actually seeing it tactilely will make it click much better.
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 6:24 PM, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, I am going to have a next semester class where I am going to need a
>> book with image descriptions. I am taking an economics class, and I'm going
>> to need to get the images described. However, due to my recent problems
>> reading Braille, and that I cannot do it anymore. I need to have the image
>> descriptions be in audio. Do you know of any sources that can give me a
>> textbook with image description already describing The images so I do not
>> have to have somebody do it for me. the textbook is called JA economics
>> student study guide copyright year 2014. I requested it on book share, but
>> they said they cannot do image description. As I need this service.  I have
>> the class in a month-and-a-half, I thought I would reach out to you guys so
>> that I could try to get help on this issue and get it solved thanks a lot
>> 
>> Taylor
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From taylorarndt99 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  2 15:17:50 2016
From: taylorarndt99 at gmail.com (Taylor Arndt)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 11:17:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice on getting textbook in accessible format with
 image descriptions
In-Reply-To: <12BC4A5D-0D9A-4DD0-B1CC-B8CADE4DE3A1@coe.edu>
References: <008001d21c32$a340c840$e9c258c0$@gmail.com>
	<CD8DBE76-997C-4D36-9026-88FDCB21EEA3@gmail.com>
	<12BC4A5D-0D9A-4DD0-B1CC-B8CADE4DE3A1@coe.edu>
Message-ID: <50D7C9BA-E477-4AED-A211-6BD0E5E99F12@gmail.com>

Yes but they have not gotten back to me and I requested it three or four months ago

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 2, 2016, at 11:06 AM, KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried requesting the book through Learning Ally? They give image descriptions. Because it is narrated by actual people, rather than a text to speech voice like bookshare. 
> 
> Kennedy Stomberg 
> (218)295-2391 
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 7:26 PM, Jason Polansky via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, I am taking an economics class right now. I'm using a different book that is on Bookshare. It has figures. Even if the book has image descriptions, I think the best way to learn economics is to use braille graph paper and whickey sticks or pins. I would find someone who has taken the class before to serve as a reader and work with them outside of class. An audio description may be helpful, but actually seeing it tactilely will make it click much better.
>> 
>>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 6:24 PM, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all, I am going to have a next semester class where I am going to need a
>>> book with image descriptions. I am taking an economics class, and I'm going
>>> to need to get the images described. However, due to my recent problems
>>> reading Braille, and that I cannot do it anymore. I need to have the image
>>> descriptions be in audio. Do you know of any sources that can give me a
>>> textbook with image description already describing The images so I do not
>>> have to have somebody do it for me. the textbook is called JA economics
>>> student study guide copyright year 2014. I requested it on book share, but
>>> they said they cannot do image description. As I need this service.  I have
>>> the class in a month-and-a-half, I thought I would reach out to you guys so
>>> that I could try to get help on this issue and get it solved thanks a lot
>>> 
>>> Taylor
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sun Oct  2 15:53:26 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 15:53:26 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] A Follow Up To My Post From Last Night About The Thumb
 Drive Fund Raiser
In-Reply-To: <CA+Wnc9RJJp9gEvfu1MHZ_DfbCXqCg4=P+D_FfnUx8TRr9p986w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+Wnc9RJJp9gEvfu1MHZ_DfbCXqCg4=P+D_FfnUx8TRr9p986w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SN1PR12MB0159E17F4392F712CBA255B9BAC30@SN1PR12MB0159.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Hello David,

Please forgive me for making you feel as though I was minimizing your concern regarding the thumb drive. This was not the intent of my message. However, if you had access to the information on the thumb drive, it is possible you might agree with me that the intensity of your complaint is simply not warranted for this situation.

I chose to purchase a thumb drive at national convention not because of the content that was on the thumb drive but because I was interested in supporting the work of the National Association of Blind Students. I find it rather disheartening to see that others are more concerned about what they personally gain from making a financial contribution to NABS rather than gaining a sense of satisfaction of making a small contribution that will empower more students to live the lives they want through the positive philosophy of the National Federation of the Blind.

I understand the system put in place to distribute the thumb drives to those who were not at national convention may have not been the best. However, I commend the NABS board for doing their best to make the thumb drives available to those who were not at national convention. I honestly cannot recall the last time the NABS board responded so quickly to the requests of general members voiced here on the NABS email list. So even though the system that was created may not have been the best, I was rather impressed that action was taken to include those who were not at national convention gain access to the information on the thumb drives.

I have learned through my own personal experience that criticisms of the NABS board are generally not taken well when they are voiced publically here on the NABS email list. Therefore, I would encourage you to contact members of the NABS board personally to share your concerns and possible solutions to these concerns. I have noticed that members of the NABS board are more inclined to respond to personal emails that contain a possible solution rather than criticism voiced publically on the NABS email list.

If you do not receive a response via email from a specific NABS board member, try contacting other members of the NABS board until you receive a response. And if communicating via email does not work, try using other forms of communication such as a phone call or a text message. I have found the current NABS board to be more receptive and responsive than the past NABS board, and I believe if you contact them with a positive solution to a problem that at least one of the members of the NABS board would respond to you. I really like your suggestion, and the fact that you are willing to use your expertise in this area to help set up your suggestion. It sounds like a really good idea, and I hope members of the NABS board takes you up on your offer to help set it up.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth





-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy via NABS-L
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:04 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: David Dunphy <discoduck221 at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] A Follow Up To My Post From Last Night About The Thumb Drive Fund Raiser

Hi There!
After reading some feedback received here and privately, I wanted to throw some things out there and make a suggestion based on ideas given to me off list and my own thinking.
.
1. Thank you Elizabeth for your thoughts. You're right. Anyone can get a thumb drive. And anyone can find this information. But I felt like you were minimizing my concern, like you were suggesting I let it go cause it's just a fund raiser. I want to support an organization that I believe does good for people. But if something is guaranteed, I think that needs to be honored too.
2. After hearing some comments from membership, and I'd be willing to help with this, why not make these available as a digital download for a second method of delivery? As long as the payments get received, a link is delivered. There's a shopping cart system of sorts that can be set up to deliver this content upon receipt of payment in zip file format to be extracted. I also have a way to make it an installer of sorts so the student can save the files where he or she wishes. These links can be hand sent via email. But there are ways to provide a downloadable option providing payment is made.
If anyone on the board or otherwise would like to talk to me about these ideas of how this could be implemented, please feel free to get in touch via email.
Thanks for everything.
>From David Dunphy

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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sun Oct  2 16:08:56 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 16:08:56 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice on getting textbook in accessible format with
 image descriptions
In-Reply-To: <008001d21c32$a340c840$e9c258c0$@gmail.com>
References: <008001d21c32$a340c840$e9c258c0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SN1PR12MB0159F02C9C9DE66ABB176BB3BAC30@SN1PR12MB0159.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Hello Taylor,

Unless you find yourself to be a visual learner, it is possible the graphs may not be necessary to understand economic concepts. In most cases, graphs are simply used to supplement the information presented in the textbook and lectures.

However, if you feel the graphs are important for you to learn, perhaps you could work with the disabilities office to have someone either record the descriptions for you, or describe them to you in person. Alternatively, you could also request reader services from your vocational rehabilitation agency, or pair up with another student in class to have someone describe the graphs for you. Other students in the class need to learn the information too, and describing the graphs to you can help other students learn the material better. 

Other possibilities include working with a tutor from tutoring services if your college or university offers this service as well as visiting with the professor during office hours. The benefit of meeting with your professor during office hours is that you can receive a better understanding of what the professor is expecting you to learn in the class.

Hopefully these suggestions will help you find a solution that will work best for you so that you can be successful in your economics class.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Taylor Arndt via NABS-L
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 6:25 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Taylor Arndt <taylorarndt99 at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice on getting textbook in accessible format with image descriptions

Hi all, I am going to have a next semester class where I am going to need a book with image descriptions. I am taking an economics class, and I'm going to need to get the images described. However, due to my recent problems reading Braille, and that I cannot do it anymore. I need to have the image descriptions be in audio. Do you know of any sources that can give me a textbook with image description already describing The images so I do not have to have somebody do it for me. the textbook is called JA economics student study guide copyright year 2014. I requested it on book share, but they said they cannot do image description. As I need this service.  I have the class in a month-and-a-half, I thought I would reach out to you guys so that I could try to get help on this issue and get it solved thanks a lot

Taylor



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From tristan.torres09 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  2 16:09:49 2016
From: tristan.torres09 at gmail.com (Tristan torres)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 12:09:49 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice on getting textbook in accessible format with
 image descriptions
In-Reply-To: <50D7C9BA-E477-4AED-A211-6BD0E5E99F12@gmail.com>
References: <008001d21c32$a340c840$e9c258c0$@gmail.com>
	<CD8DBE76-997C-4D36-9026-88FDCB21EEA3@gmail.com>
	<12BC4A5D-0D9A-4DD0-B1CC-B8CADE4DE3A1@coe.edu>
	<50D7C9BA-E477-4AED-A211-6BD0E5E99F12@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2D89CCB7-FD9C-42BF-BC56-56BF99DCB201@gmail.com>

I wouldn't look to Learning ally for image descriptions. The image descriptions Learning ally provides are only good if the narrator knows how to describe things well. Plus, I've found Learning Ally to be an unreliable company overall. I'm currently taking an introductory to Economics class this semester, and i reached out to my professor well in advance. My university has a 3d printer on campus, and my professor has been good about getting me 3d graphs. I think they provide a superior product compared to Braille and Wikki sticks, so maybe your college might have something similar. I also meet with a tutor in order to clarify any images that I may have missed while reading. Hope this helps. 
Tristan. 

> On Oct 2, 2016, at 11:17 AM, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Yes but they have not gotten back to me and I requested it three or four months ago
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 11:06 AM, KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Have you tried requesting the book through Learning Ally? They give image descriptions. Because it is narrated by actual people, rather than a text to speech voice like bookshare. 
>> 
>> Kennedy Stomberg 
>> (218)295-2391 
>> 
>>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 7:26 PM, Jason Polansky via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, I am taking an economics class right now. I'm using a different book that is on Bookshare. It has figures. Even if the book has image descriptions, I think the best way to learn economics is to use braille graph paper and whickey sticks or pins. I would find someone who has taken the class before to serve as a reader and work with them outside of class. An audio description may be helpful, but actually seeing it tactilely will make it click much better.
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 6:24 PM, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all, I am going to have a next semester class where I am going to need a
>>>> book with image descriptions. I am taking an economics class, and I'm going
>>>> to need to get the images described. However, due to my recent problems
>>>> reading Braille, and that I cannot do it anymore. I need to have the image
>>>> descriptions be in audio. Do you know of any sources that can give me a
>>>> textbook with image description already describing The images so I do not
>>>> have to have somebody do it for me. the textbook is called JA economics
>>>> student study guide copyright year 2014. I requested it on book share, but
>>>> they said they cannot do image description. As I need this service.  I have
>>>> the class in a month-and-a-half, I thought I would reach out to you guys so
>>>> that I could try to get help on this issue and get it solved thanks a lot
>>>> 
>>>> Taylor
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From discoduck221 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  2 16:26:25 2016
From: discoduck221 at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 12:26:25 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A Follow Up To My Post From Last Night About The Thumb
 Drive Fund Raiser
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Hi There!
Well, if I had the thumb drive, I wouldn't have complained.
That being said, I think it's a tough line sometimes. I think
sometimes it's important to get your thoughts out publicly to see if
others are experiencing a similar situation, which is my point, but I
can see where being too critical would cause people to turn away. I'll
keep your ideas in mind for the future.
>From David

On 10/2/16, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello David,
>
> Please forgive me for making you feel as though I was minimizing your
> concern regarding the thumb drive. This was not the intent of my message.
> However, if you had access to the information on the thumb drive, it is
> possible you might agree with me that the intensity of your complaint is
> simply not warranted for this situation.
>
> I chose to purchase a thumb drive at national convention not because of the
> content that was on the thumb drive but because I was interested in
> supporting the work of the National Association of Blind Students. I find it
> rather disheartening to see that others are more concerned about what they
> personally gain from making a financial contribution to NABS rather than
> gaining a sense of satisfaction of making a small contribution that will
> empower more students to live the lives they want through the positive
> philosophy of the National Federation of the Blind.
>
> I understand the system put in place to distribute the thumb drives to those
> who were not at national convention may have not been the best. However, I
> commend the NABS board for doing their best to make the thumb drives
> available to those who were not at national convention. I honestly cannot
> recall the last time the NABS board responded so quickly to the requests of
> general members voiced here on the NABS email list. So even though the
> system that was created may not have been the best, I was rather impressed
> that action was taken to include those who were not at national convention
> gain access to the information on the thumb drives.
>
> I have learned through my own personal experience that criticisms of the
> NABS board are generally not taken well when they are voiced publically here
> on the NABS email list. Therefore, I would encourage you to contact members
> of the NABS board personally to share your concerns and possible solutions
> to these concerns. I have noticed that members of the NABS board are more
> inclined to respond to personal emails that contain a possible solution
> rather than criticism voiced publically on the NABS email list.
>
> If you do not receive a response via email from a specific NABS board
> member, try contacting other members of the NABS board until you receive a
> response. And if communicating via email does not work, try using other
> forms of communication such as a phone call or a text message. I have found
> the current NABS board to be more receptive and responsive than the past
> NABS board, and I believe if you contact them with a positive solution to a
> problem that at least one of the members of the NABS board would respond to
> you. I really like your suggestion, and the fact that you are willing to use
> your expertise in this area to help set up your suggestion. It sounds like a
> really good idea, and I hope members of the NABS board takes you up on your
> offer to help set it up.
>
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy
> via NABS-L
> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:04 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: David Dunphy <discoduck221 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] A Follow Up To My Post From Last Night About The Thumb
> Drive Fund Raiser
>
> Hi There!
> After reading some feedback received here and privately, I wanted to throw
> some things out there and make a suggestion based on ideas given to me off
> list and my own thinking.
> .
> 1. Thank you Elizabeth for your thoughts. You're right. Anyone can get a
> thumb drive. And anyone can find this information. But I felt like you were
> minimizing my concern, like you were suggesting I let it go cause it's just
> a fund raiser. I want to support an organization that I believe does good
> for people. But if something is guaranteed, I think that needs to be honored
> too.
> 2. After hearing some comments from membership, and I'd be willing to help
> with this, why not make these available as a digital download for a second
> method of delivery? As long as the payments get received, a link is
> delivered. There's a shopping cart system of sorts that can be set up to
> deliver this content upon receipt of payment in zip file format to be
> extracted. I also have a way to make it an installer of sorts so the student
> can save the files where he or she wishes. These links can be hand sent via
> email. But there are ways to provide a downloadable option providing payment
> is made.
> If anyone on the board or otherwise would like to talk to me about these
> ideas of how this could be implemented, please feel free to get in touch via
> email.
> Thanks for everything.
> From David Dunphy
>
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  2 18:27:19 2016
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 14:27:19 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Ocular Migraines
Message-ID: <CAFja7FYrrueOSgzhhG+CvfVzODcEmucP+O+jw5dn9BG3624Q4A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Sorry for this being slightly off-topic, but I wasn't sure of any
other way to ask for information on it.

I've had some pretty bad headaches since my early teen years, but
every time I brought it up to my pediatrician (who is really good and
who otherwise I really like), she made it sound like they weren't
frequent or severe enough to cause major concern.  There was talk of
sending me to a neurologist at one point, but she never went through
with it and wanted me to rule out the possibility that the headaches
were sinus-related first, which I have done.  While I do get sinus
headaches, especially in the Spring, I can usually tell the difference
between them and my other headaches by how they feel.  Further, these
other headaches are usually there for several hours and aren't
responsive to ibuprofen or Tylenol, and typically knock me out or
leave me feeling lethargic afterwards.

Within the past year I started having instances where the vision in
the eye that has some sight would cut out for a second or two, then
come back.  This usually happened before or after a migraine headache,
but sometimes it happens for no good reason at all.  I do know that
the shunt used to keep my Glaucoma in check is starting to wear down
and will need to be replaced in the next several years, but when I
told my retina specialist about these issues he was pretty confident
that the visual disturbances I was having are caused by ocular
migraines either in my eye or near the optic nerve.  I also see a
Glaucoma specialist, and he noted around the same time I talked to my
retina doc that everything looked as stable as it can be aside from
the shunt he put in, but I read that ocular migraines are also
experienced by 2/3s of Glaucoma patients who have taken some damage to
their optic nerves as I have.

I'm wondering if anyone else has ocular migraines and might have more
information than I do.  I've been reading up on them, but obviously
I'm a bit hesitant to take everything I read on Web MD or from the
Mayo Clinic archives as something that's happening to me.  Again, I
know this isn't academic-related and am sorry for veering off-course,
but any information would be great.

Thanks,

-- 
Kaiti Shelton


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  2 18:44:38 2016
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2016 14:44:38 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice on getting textbook in accessible format with
 imagedescriptions
Message-ID: <57f155c6.42e20d0a.afbb3.5ed0@mx.google.com>

Try looking on Learning Ally formerally Recordings For The Blind 
and Dyslexic for your textbook.  I am not sure if they do image 
descriptions.


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  2 18:44:41 2016
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2016 14:44:41 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice on getting textbook in accessible format
 withimage descriptions
Message-ID: <57f155c8.42e20d0a.afbb3.5ed3@mx.google.com>

How did you request your book? I would like to request a book 
from them.


From taylorarndt99 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  2 19:21:24 2016
From: taylorarndt99 at gmail.com (Taylor Arndt)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 15:21:24 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice on getting textbook in accessible format with
 image descriptions
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I am in high school

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 2, 2016, at 12:08 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Taylor,
> 
> Unless you find yourself to be a visual learner, it is possible the graphs may not be necessary to understand economic concepts. In most cases, graphs are simply used to supplement the information presented in the textbook and lectures.
> 
> However, if you feel the graphs are important for you to learn, perhaps you could work with the disabilities office to have someone either record the descriptions for you, or describe them to you in person. Alternatively, you could also request reader services from your vocational rehabilitation agency, or pair up with another student in class to have someone describe the graphs for you. Other students in the class need to learn the information too, and describing the graphs to you can help other students learn the material better. 
> 
> Other possibilities include working with a tutor from tutoring services if your college or university offers this service as well as visiting with the professor during office hours. The benefit of meeting with your professor during office hours is that you can receive a better understanding of what the professor is expecting you to learn in the class.
> 
> Hopefully these suggestions will help you find a solution that will work best for you so that you can be successful in your economics class.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Taylor Arndt via NABS-L
> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 6:25 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Taylor Arndt <taylorarndt99 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Advice on getting textbook in accessible format with image descriptions
> 
> Hi all, I am going to have a next semester class where I am going to need a book with image descriptions. I am taking an economics class, and I'm going to need to get the images described. However, due to my recent problems reading Braille, and that I cannot do it anymore. I need to have the image descriptions be in audio. Do you know of any sources that can give me a textbook with image description already describing The images so I do not have to have somebody do it for me. the textbook is called JA economics student study guide copyright year 2014. I requested it on book share, but they said they cannot do image description. As I need this service.  I have the class in a month-and-a-half, I thought I would reach out to you guys so that I could try to get help on this issue and get it solved thanks a lot
> 
> Taylor
> 
> 
> 
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sun Oct  2 20:50:18 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 20:50:18 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice on getting textbook in accessible format with
 image descriptions
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Hello Taylor,

It seems to me that if you are in high school that it should be easier to obtain accessible class materials as it is required by law. Regardless, you could still use some of these suggestions. Perhaps your teacher would be available to help you go over the graphs before or after school. Pairing up with other students would also still be an option. If you are willing to provide some after school snacks, this would provide for a good incentive for other students to help you. Using a tutor may also be an option too. There may be some students in the honor society either at your high school or a local community college who may be looking for some volunteer hours.

Does the Hadley School have any economics courses? If so, perhaps they may have some accessible materials that may help you. If may also be wort looking to see what the American Printing House has to offer as well. Since you are in high school, I would imagine that your school would help you pay for any of these materials.

Also, another thing wort trying is Googling either the general concept of a particular graph to see what descriptions the internet may provide you. If it is simply a basic course, it seems to me that you should not have too much difficulty finding accessible materials even if they are not specific to the textbook you will be using. I would imagine all basic economics concepts are the same regardless of what textbook you are using.

Again, best of luck to you as you determine the best way to gain access to the information you need for your economics class.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Taylor Arndt via NABS-L
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 3:21 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Taylor Arndt <taylorarndt99 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advice on getting textbook in accessible format with image descriptions

I am in high school

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 2, 2016, at 12:08 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Taylor,
> 
> Unless you find yourself to be a visual learner, it is possible the graphs may not be necessary to understand economic concepts. In most cases, graphs are simply used to supplement the information presented in the textbook and lectures.
> 
> However, if you feel the graphs are important for you to learn, perhaps you could work with the disabilities office to have someone either record the descriptions for you, or describe them to you in person. Alternatively, you could also request reader services from your vocational rehabilitation agency, or pair up with another student in class to have someone describe the graphs for you. Other students in the class need to learn the information too, and describing the graphs to you can help other students learn the material better. 
> 
> Other possibilities include working with a tutor from tutoring services if your college or university offers this service as well as visiting with the professor during office hours. The benefit of meeting with your professor during office hours is that you can receive a better understanding of what the professor is expecting you to learn in the class.
> 
> Hopefully these suggestions will help you find a solution that will work best for you so that you can be successful in your economics class.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Taylor Arndt via NABS-L
> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 6:25 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Taylor Arndt <taylorarndt99 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Advice on getting textbook in accessible format with image descriptions
> 
> Hi all, I am going to have a next semester class where I am going to need a book with image descriptions. I am taking an economics class, and I'm going to need to get the images described. However, due to my recent problems reading Braille, and that I cannot do it anymore. I need to have the image descriptions be in audio. Do you know of any sources that can give me a textbook with image description already describing The images so I do not have to have somebody do it for me. the textbook is called JA economics student study guide copyright year 2014. I requested it on book share, but they said they cannot do image description. As I need this service.  I have the class in a month-and-a-half, I thought I would reach out to you guys so that I could try to get help on this issue and get it solved thanks a lot
> 
> Taylor
> 
> 
> 
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From taylorarndt99 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  3 00:27:12 2016
From: taylorarndt99 at gmail.com (Taylor Arndt)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 20:27:12 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice on getting textbook in accessible format with
 image descriptions
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Hadley one discontinued

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 2, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Taylor,
> 
> It seems to me that if you are in high school that it should be easier to obtain accessible class materials as it is required by law. Regardless, you could still use some of these suggestions. Perhaps your teacher would be available to help you go over the graphs before or after school. Pairing up with other students would also still be an option. If you are willing to provide some after school snacks, this would provide for a good incentive for other students to help you. Using a tutor may also be an option too. There may be some students in the honor society either at your high school or a local community college who may be looking for some volunteer hours.
> 
> Does the Hadley School have any economics courses? If so, perhaps they may have some accessible materials that may help you. If may also be wort looking to see what the American Printing House has to offer as well. Since you are in high school, I would imagine that your school would help you pay for any of these materials.
> 
> Also, another thing wort trying is Googling either the general concept of a particular graph to see what descriptions the internet may provide you. If it is simply a basic course, it seems to me that you should not have too much difficulty finding accessible materials even if they are not specific to the textbook you will be using. I would imagine all basic economics concepts are the same regardless of what textbook you are using.
> 
> Again, best of luck to you as you determine the best way to gain access to the information you need for your economics class.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Taylor Arndt via NABS-L
> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 3:21 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Taylor Arndt <taylorarndt99 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advice on getting textbook in accessible format with image descriptions
> 
> I am in high school
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 12:08 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Taylor,
>> 
>> Unless you find yourself to be a visual learner, it is possible the graphs may not be necessary to understand economic concepts. In most cases, graphs are simply used to supplement the information presented in the textbook and lectures.
>> 
>> However, if you feel the graphs are important for you to learn, perhaps you could work with the disabilities office to have someone either record the descriptions for you, or describe them to you in person. Alternatively, you could also request reader services from your vocational rehabilitation agency, or pair up with another student in class to have someone describe the graphs for you. Other students in the class need to learn the information too, and describing the graphs to you can help other students learn the material better. 
>> 
>> Other possibilities include working with a tutor from tutoring services if your college or university offers this service as well as visiting with the professor during office hours. The benefit of meeting with your professor during office hours is that you can receive a better understanding of what the professor is expecting you to learn in the class.
>> 
>> Hopefully these suggestions will help you find a solution that will work best for you so that you can be successful in your economics class.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> Elizabeth
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Taylor Arndt via NABS-L
>> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 6:25 PM
>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Taylor Arndt <taylorarndt99 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Advice on getting textbook in accessible format with image descriptions
>> 
>> Hi all, I am going to have a next semester class where I am going to need a book with image descriptions. I am taking an economics class, and I'm going to need to get the images described. However, due to my recent problems reading Braille, and that I cannot do it anymore. I need to have the image descriptions be in audio. Do you know of any sources that can give me a textbook with image description already describing The images so I do not have to have somebody do it for me. the textbook is called JA economics student study guide copyright year 2014. I requested it on book share, but they said they cannot do image description. As I need this service.  I have the class in a month-and-a-half, I thought I would reach out to you guys so that I could try to get help on this issue and get it solved thanks a lot
>> 
>> Taylor
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From dandrews at visi.com  Mon Oct  3 02:18:26 2016
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2016 21:18:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: T-Shirts anyone?
Message-ID: <auto-000067541937@mailfront1.g2host.com>


>From: "Debbie Brown" <deborahb14 at verizon.net>
>To: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>Subject: T-Shirts anyone?
>Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2016 18:39:33 -0700
>
>Please post the following to NFB listservs.
>
>We are looking for about 6 T-shirts for an NFB Meet the Blind month 
>activity.  Anyone with T-shirts to sell with a general NFB message, 
>with no reference to cities, affiliates or divisions, should contact 
>Debbie Brown by email 
>(<mailto:deborahb14 at verizon.net>deborahb14 at verizon.net) or phone 
>(301-881-1892).
>
>Debbie Brown, President
>Sligo Creek Chapter
>NFB of Maryland
>
>
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>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Oct  3 15:34:23 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 11:34:23 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice on getting textbook in accessible format with
 image descriptions
In-Reply-To: <CD8DBE76-997C-4D36-9026-88FDCB21EEA3@gmail.com>
References: <008001d21c32$a340c840$e9c258c0$@gmail.com>
	<CD8DBE76-997C-4D36-9026-88FDCB21EEA3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C5602CEB93D438296DD14FD86639E51@OwnerPC>

Hi,
I agree with Jason.
Having someone make the diagrams with wiki sticks is a good idea.

Learning ally has descriptions in their audio books, but the quality can be 
hit or miss.
So, I'd suggest having someone at your school do it. They can either make 
tactile diagrams with wiki sticks or describe them in audio format. Your 
teacher or your teacher of the vision impaired should be able to do this.

Also, its worth asking classmates; they will probably say no since they have 
their own work to do, but it cannot hurt to ask.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jason Polansky via NABS-L
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 8:26 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Jason Polansky
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advice on getting textbook in accessible format with 
image descriptions

Hello, I am taking an economics class right now. I'm using a different book 
that is on Bookshare. It has figures. Even if the book has image 
descriptions, I think the best way to learn economics is to use braille 
graph paper and whickey sticks or pins. I would find someone who has taken 
the class before to serve as a reader and work with them outside of class. 
An audio description may be helpful, but actually seeing it tactilely will 
make it click much better.

> On Oct 1, 2016, at 6:24 PM, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
> wrote:
>
> Hi all, I am going to have a next semester class where I am going to need 
> a
> book with image descriptions. I am taking an economics class, and I'm 
> going
> to need to get the images described. However, due to my recent problems
> reading Braille, and that I cannot do it anymore. I need to have the image
> descriptions be in audio. Do you know of any sources that can give me a
> textbook with image description already describing The images so I do not
> have to have somebody do it for me. the textbook is called JA economics
> student study guide copyright year 2014. I requested it on book share, but
> they said they cannot do image description. As I need this service.  I 
> have
> the class in a month-and-a-half, I thought I would reach out to you guys 
> so
> that I could try to get help on this issue and get it solved thanks a lot
>
> Taylor
>
>
>
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From discoduck221 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  3 16:21:00 2016
From: discoduck221 at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 12:21:00 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A Public Thank You To The Nabs Board
Message-ID: <CA+Wnc9RKN7v0xFwGOfkLzG32185bBcogkwFYtgqG0pLv6bxkmA@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings!
I want to briefly thank the Nabs Board, especially Michael the
secretary, for helping me to resolve the matter concerning the student
success tool kit. I now have the files that I have been looking for,
and I believe these will help me in the future. So thanks again
Michael and the rest of the board for being able to put this matter to
rest for me. Keep up the good work.
>From David Dunphy


From nabs.president at gmail.com  Mon Oct  3 17:36:23 2016
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster, NABS President)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 13:36:23 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A Public Thank You To The Nabs Board
In-Reply-To: <CA+Wnc9RKN7v0xFwGOfkLzG32185bBcogkwFYtgqG0pLv6bxkmA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+Wnc9RKN7v0xFwGOfkLzG32185bBcogkwFYtgqG0pLv6bxkmA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <010501d21d9c$a981b780$fc852680$@gmail.com>

David:

I'm glad we got this covered.
I apologize for the back and forth and miscommunication between the NABS
Board. I assure you that moving forward this will not be the case. I am
grateful for the leadership working with me and that we were able to handle
this issue. 

Please do feel free to individually email or call me if there are concerns
in the future.

Thanks,
Kathryn


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy
via NABS-L
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 12:21 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: David Dunphy
Subject: [nabs-l] A Public Thank You To The Nabs Board

Greetings!
I want to briefly thank the Nabs Board, especially Michael the secretary,
for helping me to resolve the matter concerning the student success tool
kit. I now have the files that I have been looking for, and I believe these
will help me in the future. So thanks again Michael and the rest of the
board for being able to put this matter to rest for me. Keep up the good
work.
>From David Dunphy

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From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  3 17:52:34 2016
From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 13:52:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Thank developers for making their apps accessible to
 everyone
Message-ID: <0d3601d21d9e$ee21da80$ca658f80$@gmail.com>

Hello all,

I have started a company that thanks developers for building accessibility
features in to their apps from the ground up. I've created a line of shirts
that say Thanking Developers from the Ground Up in the front with the
twitter handle @appcessable1 on the back. There is another shirt with the
saying Inclusion should be a right not an afterthought on the front. The
back says the same thing as the other shirt. There are women's and men's
sizes available as well as mugs. I'd love your help in making this company
grow. The funds will help in the creation of a website and providing a
platform to thank developers for their work. The site will also showcase the
apps, and podcast demos along with developer interviews. Here is the link to
buy a shirt, hoodie, or mug https://goo.gl/bdO0SD 

Also check out my website www.aaron-linson.squarespace.com
<http://www.aaron-linson.squarespace.com>  where you can purchase my solo
album Old Miner Town for $5! While you're there check out the blog and some
of the other things I've put up there.

 

Thanks,

Aaron Linson 

CEO Blind Faith Project <http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject> 

CEO Linson Productions

 

Aaron Linson 

 


From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  3 17:53:42 2016
From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 13:53:42 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Thanking Developers from the ground up
Message-ID: <0d4901d21d9f$15c519d0$414f4d70$@gmail.com>

Hello all,

I have started a company that thanks developers for building accessibility
features in to their apps from the ground up. I've created a line of shirts
that say Thanking Developers from the Ground Up in the front with the
twitter handle @appcessable1 on the back. There is another shirt with the
saying Inclusion should be a right not an afterthought on the front. The
back says the same thing as the other shirt. There are women's and men's
sizes available as well as mugs. I'd love your help in making this company
grow. The funds will help in the creation of a website and providing a
platform to thank developers for their work. The site will also showcase the
apps, and podcast demos along with developer interviews. Here is the link to
buy a shirt, hoodie, or mug https://goo.gl/bdO0SD 

Also check out my website www.aaron-linson.squarespace.com
<http://www.aaron-linson.squarespace.com>  where you can purchase my solo
album Old Miner Town for $5! While you're there check out the blog and some
of the other things I've put up there.

 

 

Thanks,

Aaron Linson 

CEO Blind Faith Project <http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject> 

CEO Linson Productions

 

Aaron Linson 

 


From zdreicer at gmail.com  Mon Oct  3 19:13:20 2016
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. GriegoDreicer)
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2016 14:13:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Logistics When Traveling Independently on an airplane
Message-ID: <57f2adda.0e24240a.b9134.05d1@mx.google.com>

My BrailleNote touch is just showing me this message now. Roanna makes great points about using the storage from the seat in front of you. Of course if you're using a suitcase, then use the overhead bin space as much as possible. Airlines like Aa, UA and others have pricy check bag fees which my agency will not pay for. I have learned that, and use AA and UA almost exclusively anymore because of where I travel. The only one that doesn't charge is WN (southwest.) for the 1st 2 bags.

Sent from my BrailleNote Touch

On Aug 18, 2016 9:10 AM, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Vejas thanks for your message.  Whenever I travel I put my 
> backpack under the seat in front of me.  I keep my folding cane 
> in the seat pocket in front of me.  I never use the overhead bins 
> because I don't carry a suitcase. 
>
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From taylorarndt99 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  3 20:33:41 2016
From: taylorarndt99 at gmail.com (Taylor Arndt)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 16:33:41 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice on getting textbook in accessible format with
 image descriptions
In-Reply-To: <4C5602CEB93D438296DD14FD86639E51@OwnerPC>
References: <008001d21c32$a340c840$e9c258c0$@gmail.com>
	<CD8DBE76-997C-4D36-9026-88FDCB21EEA3@gmail.com>
	<4C5602CEB93D438296DD14FD86639E51@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <47A2C547-D66E-48C1-AD6A-8703909424D0@gmail.com>

Yeah none of my classmates would do that but I don't think I would trust the work that they are doing anyways because they might not be doing it right themselves

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 3, 2016, at 11:34 AM, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I agree with Jason.
> Having someone make the diagrams with wiki sticks is a good idea.
> 
> Learning ally has descriptions in their audio books, but the quality can be hit or miss.
> So, I'd suggest having someone at your school do it. They can either make tactile diagrams with wiki sticks or describe them in audio format. Your teacher or your teacher of the vision impaired should be able to do this.
> 
> Also, its worth asking classmates; they will probably say no since they have their own work to do, but it cannot hurt to ask.
> 
> Ashley
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Jason Polansky via NABS-L
> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 8:26 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Jason Polansky
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advice on getting textbook in accessible format with image descriptions
> 
> Hello, I am taking an economics class right now. I'm using a different book that is on Bookshare. It has figures. Even if the book has image descriptions, I think the best way to learn economics is to use braille graph paper and whickey sticks or pins. I would find someone who has taken the class before to serve as a reader and work with them outside of class. An audio description may be helpful, but actually seeing it tactilely will make it click much better.
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 6:24 PM, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, I am going to have a next semester class where I am going to need a
>> book with image descriptions. I am taking an economics class, and I'm going
>> to need to get the images described. However, due to my recent problems
>> reading Braille, and that I cannot do it anymore. I need to have the image
>> descriptions be in audio. Do you know of any sources that can give me a
>> textbook with image description already describing The images so I do not
>> have to have somebody do it for me. the textbook is called JA economics
>> student study guide copyright year 2014. I requested it on book share, but
>> they said they cannot do image description. As I need this service.  I have
>> the class in a month-and-a-half, I thought I would reach out to you guys so
>> that I could try to get help on this issue and get it solved thanks a lot
>> 
>> Taylor
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jpolansky.nfb%40gmail.com
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From awildheir at gmail.com  Mon Oct  3 21:06:39 2016
From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 17:06:39 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Civ Pro Ruelbook
Message-ID: <5AF3ADF2-1B08-435C-820B-CE1A531636D5@gmail.com>

Hello guys and gals.   I am having trouble with a book.  Long story short, I was going to be able to get this book from vital source but I cannot get the gentleman to reply to my messages.  

Is anybody using spencer Federal Rules Supplement 2016-2017? 


Aimee

Sent from my iPhone


Sent from my iPhone

From aloshamoorenfb at gmail.com  Mon Oct  3 22:51:54 2016
From: aloshamoorenfb at gmail.com (Alosha Moore)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 17:51:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Civ Pro Ruelbook
In-Reply-To: <5AF3ADF2-1B08-435C-820B-CE1A531636D5@gmail.com>
References: <5AF3ADF2-1B08-435C-820B-CE1A531636D5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A65D184B-EF2B-42E2-AF02-8AD812617993@gmail.com>

Good evening Amy:
I did  not use that text, but if you're looking for a good supplement, I've found Cornells online resource to be immensely helpful. Just Google fed siv  pro rule, and the specific number, and it's usually one of the top results. I find it to be more useful than Westlaw statute formats. As helpful as this is, it doesn't solve all your problems, so I hope someone else does have a book.
Regards, Alosha Moore. 

J.D. Candidate Class of 2017
> Washburn School of Law
> daniel.moore at washburn.edu (316)312-3454
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> On Oct 3, 2016, at 4:06 PM, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello guys and gals.   I am having trouble with a book.  Long story short, I was going to be able to get this book from vital source but I cannot get the gentleman to reply to my messages.  
> 
> Is anybody using spencer Federal Rules Supplement 2016-2017? 
> 
> 
> Aimee
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From jameyanne at gmail.com  Mon Oct  3 23:17:40 2016
From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 19:17:40 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Civ Pro Ruelbook
In-Reply-To: <5AF3ADF2-1B08-435C-820B-CE1A531636D5@gmail.com>
References: <5AF3ADF2-1B08-435C-820B-CE1A531636D5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003f01d21dcc$56b96450$042c2cf0$@gmail.com>

I'm using a supplement by Friedenthal, I think, and it is the worst. I've
mostly been googling the rules (and this is what everyone else in my section
is doing too because this supplement is the worst for everyone). Actually,
civ pro in general is the worst.

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee Harwood
via NABS-L
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 5:07 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Aimee Harwood <awildheir at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Civ Pro Ruelbook

Hello guys and gals.   I am having trouble with a book.  Long story short, I
was going to be able to get this book from vital source but I cannot get the
gentleman to reply to my messages.  

Is anybody using spencer Federal Rules Supplement 2016-2017? 


Aimee

Sent from my iPhone


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From Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu  Mon Oct  3 23:19:16 2016
From: Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte (Student))
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 23:19:16 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Blog, Tech Spotlight on Nearby Explorer
Message-ID: <D79E231A-89EE-44C2-B498-AB16A0ED837D@mainex1.asu.edu>

Greetings NABS,

Here is our first Tech Spotlight brought to you by NABS. This months spotlight is on the Nearby Explorer application by APH, and was authored by Jason Polansky. Jason Polansky is a sophomore business student at Messiah College, near Harrisburg, PA.  He is originally from Frederick County, MD.  Jason is also a graduate of the Louisiana Center for the Blind, which greatly boosted his confidence in the area of orientation and mobility.

To read this months Tech Spotlight follow the link below, and thank you for reading.
http://nabslink.org/content/tech-spotlight-nearby-explorer

Bryan Duarte software engineer
ASU Computer Science Ph.D Student
National Association of Blind Students | Board Member
Arizona Association of Blind Students | President
QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/

“let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.”
-- St. Teresa of Avila


From humbertoa5369 at netzero.net  Tue Oct  4 05:39:19 2016
From: humbertoa5369 at netzero.net (Humberto Avila)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 22:39:19 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Input on the Accessibility of mySQL Workbench 6.3
Message-ID: <7497951e-92dc-192b-7a2e-2c3704f3633e@netzero.net>

hello everybody,

I am recently taking a course on database concepts in my university to 
fulfill my requirements for my Information Technology minor. our class 
is using the MySQL Workbench and server software from Oracle.

My question is: is this application for Windows accessible with JAWS or 
NVDA? Do I need anything I have to do to run MySQL workbench with one of 
these screen readers?

Today in class was the first day in which we were supposed to learn how 
to create models with tables and diagrams for our first database. 
However, all the input I get from the installed copy of JAWS on my lab 
computer are some empty listviews labeled, "Add tables," "Add routines" 
"Add users," "Add diagrams," and others. I can not seem to type in, or 
edit any columns, rows, or other data within the database model, as the 
instructor was explaining and telling us how to do it and what to select 
on what I assume are selectable controls in the GUI.

Are there any specific keyboard commands used in the MySQL workbench 
application that I should know? Are there any third party scripts that I 
can load that are available for JAWS?

On a scale from 1 to 10, 10 being super accessible, how would anyone 
with experience with this application rate the its accessibility with 
JAWS and / or NVDA?

Any advice, feedback, lessons or just advice on how to get the 
instructor to accommodate for an alternative solution to the MySQL 
application will be greatly appreciated, as there is an assignment that 
I have to turn in using the MySQL software next Monday.

Thanks for reading!

Sincerely,

Humberto



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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Tue Oct  4 17:09:37 2016
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (NABS President)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 13:09:37 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] An article from our national president: Mr. Mark Riccobono
Message-ID: <04BF122D-50F5-4B65-BCEA-F67834945175@gmail.com>

Students,
  Please join me in reading a powerful news article from our very own national president, Mr. Mark Riccobono. 
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57f3a703e4b0f482f8f0bd23
Please share widely. 

Kathryn Webster
President, National Association of Blind Students
(203) 273-8463
Sent from my iPhone

From codeofdusk at gmail.com  Tue Oct  4 17:27:25 2016
From: codeofdusk at gmail.com (Bill Dengler)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 17:27:25 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] [Acbs-l] using Braille for math
In-Reply-To: <7d6722c8-1214-00bd-8afc-e31f03e97973@camlorn.net>
References: <A018622E-3C7E-4EA8-A921-AEB58C464BFE@gmail.com>
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Thanks for the comprehensive reply!
I’m interested in being a Computer Science major as well, and have seen your name in Github commits somewhere.
Math ML and such are incredibly frustrating. VoiceOver on the Mac jumps all over the place when reading Wikipedia’s and Stack Overflow’s implementation, so I’ve switched them both to output plain TeX.
You say that "UEB is extremely subpar for math.  Less symbols means reading faster.  Less symbols means keeping your equation on one line."
Yes, I understand that... but are there any benefits for me to learn and use UEB? As you say "your braille portion is for you, and you're the only person who needs to read it." so writing in a standard notation is obviously not important (as long as I can transcribe back to TeX!)
I am working to get a Baum Vario Ultra 40, which has a notepad and the ability to disable Braille translation. I plan to use the notepad (with translation disabled) for math, in combination with hardcopy Braille.
I have seen discussion that Braille math presents things spatially, which aids in understanding. With a display, you obviously only have one line at a time, so isn’t the spatial portion lost? Clearly you can only get that with hardcopy Braille... but as you said a Perkins would not work in a class setting! As you know, my only experience with Braille math has been the Math Window, which was a total disaster. As soon as I got to Algebra, I started writing in calculator notation on the computer, eventually moving to (La)TeX in pre-calculus.

Thanks,
Bill
> 
> On Sep 1, 2016, at 5:51 PM, Austin Hicks <camlorn at camlorn.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>     I've left you both on this as Christopher was interested in my response as well.
> 
> 
>     I'm Austin Hicks, and you may (or may not) know me as Camlorn.  I have my BS in computer science.  About 4 years ago, I decided that the problem I wanted to solve was 3D audio.  I started by writing OpenAL bindings, but that failed.  Not to be deterred, I taught myself digital signal processing from some online books that have LaTeX in the alt text of all the images, then used my newfound knowledge to write a now-mostly-finished replacement for the old DirectSound stuff but also cross platform and somewhat more powerful.
> 
>     If this all sounds like gibberish, you can just read it as I know math.  I want to know more math--I consider my knowledge very insufficient.  But of the blind people I know, I'm ahead of all of them by a great deal.  Which explains why Christopher forwarded this to me.
> 
>     I apologize in advance for the length.  This is pretty much everything I know about doing math as a blind person.  Feel free to send additional questions.
> 
>     Anyway, to take your concerns one at a time:
> 
>     LaTeX is absolutely what you should be using.  You may get some mileage out of a product called Mathtype, an add-on for word that allows you to type TeX into the document.  If you couple this with NVDA and Mathplayer, you can proof your work.  That said, the only reason I ever used it is that I never bothered to learn LaTeX fully, and only know TeX offhand (TeX is the math parts only, used on places like Wikipedia).  LaTeX compilers should give you errors, so proofing is less of an issue there (Mathtype doesn't, it just guesses, which is why you need Mathplayer).
> 
>     LaTeX puts you in a very, very good place for college.  You can get it out of Wikipedia and anything else they run (i.e. Wikibooks), for one.  Until recently, this used to be the default, but they changed it to MathML, so now you need an account.  Arxiv is a source of academic papers that you can access  for free and legally.  Many authors post LaTeX versions of their papers, to the point that there is at least one group who are trying to use it to build new tools for OCRing math to LaTeX.  But the biggest selling point is that, in college, you're going to have tests and quizzes.  And, since they're using it anyway for their research, many professors make their tests with it.  Lastly, many pages using Mathjax (like Stackoverflow, for example) can have Mathjax set up to show TeX source.  I get to take credit for that one,  though I didn't do the coding.
> 
>     I've mentioned Mathplayer and MathML.  These are the new "solutions" for this kind of thing. They're a waste of time, in my opinion.  By all means try Mathplayer, but everyone I know who is post algebra 2 hates it and goes back to LaTeX almost immediately.  The people working on it are primarily funded to get it working for the typical U.S. K-12 student, who you are already beyond.  In addition, you already know more math than James Teh, the head developer of NVDA.  If you end up trying it and liking it, then you'll be the first at your level of math that I've met, and really I need to figure out where we send feedback that might make them get that they're leaving people like me behind.  The only use I ever found for it was dealing with the fact that I wasn't using a proper LaTeX compiler, but you should try it because for all I know you'll love it.  Some people do, just, usually they're barely doing algebra.  The one good thing you can potentially get out of it is that it can get Nemeth going to a braille display, if you have one.  But the speech is worse than LaTeX.
> 
>     I have seen the math window.  It is a joke for anyone beyond basic addition.  Run and run far.
> 
>     Instead, what you really want is a Perkins Brailler and a bunch of paper for it.  The web site appears to be this:http://www.perkinsproducts.org/store/en/braillers/210-classic-perkins-brailler.html?gclid=CPPulpLZ7s4CFdBZhgodHNQB2Q <http://www.perkinsproducts.org/store/en/braillers/210-classic-perkins-brailler.html?gclid=CPPulpLZ7s4CFdBZhgodHNQB2Q>
> 
>     55 words a minute braille reading speed is typical, and about what I have.  You may be faster, and you're possibly the fastest I've personally heard of.  Braille is just intrinsically that slow.  But for math, nothing beats the perkins brailler.  You can type on it faster than a sighted person can write with a pencil with some practice, and you can get almost 40 characters a line if you buy the larger paper (you can get paper for it via office depot, btw, just buy cardstock. Don't order directly from them till you're sure they're a good deal).  It's like a braille type writer, and you can go as fast as the average sighted person types.  This isn't exactly portable, nor is it quiet.
> 
>     How I did math in high school was someone translated Nemeth for me.  How I did math in college was mostly LaTeX plus the perkins brailler for anything that needed to be broken up if I did it via speech.  To do this reasonably, you want to do as much on the computer as you feel comfortable with.  Then, use the brailler to write down anything you need to access quickly.  Finding something on the braille page is way, way faster than trying to find it in the text document, and comes with the additional benefit that you keep your place in the text document.  For things like matrices, the brailler is the only convenient way to work with them because suddenly 2D navigation is important.  When the expressions get too complicated, you can switch fully and then transcribe back.  This is annoying, but at least it's not for every problem.
> 
>     As for the code, you want to start by learning Nemeth through algebra 2.  This is something like 20 or 30 symbols only.  UEB might eventually take over, but it won't be while you're still in school.  In addition, the NFB or someone lobbied and I believe got Nemeth into the specification, so the U.S. probably won't switch off it ever.  UEB is extremely subpar for math.  Less symbols means reading faster.  Less symbols means keeping your equation on one line.  Even if we all switched to UEB tomorrow, it's going to be another 15 or 20 years before you can't get Nemeth: we can't just drop all the students that grew up learning it.
> 
>     Then, you're going to butcher it.  This will probably not be intentional.  But your braille portion is for you, and you're the only person who needs to read it.  You can leave off some symbols while still being unambiguous, for example x_2 can be done improperly as x2, and you just know from context that that's never the same as 2x.  Whenever you go to college and no one can teach you new symbols, you invent your own.  There are official things for calculus that are more efficient than mine, but no one could teach me; as a consequence, I use lim(x, from, to, expression) for limits, int(a, b, expression)dx for integrals, etc.
> 
>     The only place I ever used a notetaker in college (the hardware) was math classes.  Because the perkins brailler is not portable or quiet, I needed an alternative.  To my knowledge, no notetaker understands Nemeth.  But they have 3 features that can combine to let you fake it 100%: the speech can be turned off, they can be configured to write brf (braille format) files, and you can configure them to let you input braille directly.  If you do these three things, you can do Nemeth with the refreshable braille display.  If you go this route, push ahrd for a 40-cell display; even with a 40-cell, things still wrap, and wrapping is very expensive when you only have one line of the page at a time.  As a bonus, it'll even print from the braille printer correctly.  As an extra bonus on top of that, someone sighted can read it with a little practice, should you send the file through the print printer (certain things like + and parens happen to match up. A convenient coincidence, but I don't think intentional).
> 
>     Should you keep going, you eventually reach where I am.  Computers can do all the gruntwork.  Integrate this expression, sure. Solve that equation, yep.  Do this linear algebra thing, no problem.  Want to work with alternate algebras? Sure!  There are actually accessible solutions for these things, but you're not at the point where using them is easier than doing the math, nor will you be allowed to.  But for things like actual research projects, people don't have to do a lot of it by hand.  Now that I'm out of college, I don't pull out the brailler much.  It's much easier to go ask something like Sympy to do this calculus problem, or to go find out how someone else solved it.
> 
> On 8/30/2016 12:22, Christopher Kchao wrote:
>> Care to field this inquiry? Obviously, no pressure - I just thought you'd be optimally equipped to address some or all of his concerns.


From zdreicer at gmail.com  Wed Oct  5 13:11:44 2016
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 08:11:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Colorado-talk] FW: [INDIVISIBLE Group] Fwd: VOTE to
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From PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu  Wed Oct  5 21:36:22 2016
From: PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu (Justin Salisbury)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 21:36:22 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Ocular Migraines
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Hi Kaiti,

I have a lot of those same things you have: a shunt, glaucoma damage to optic nerves, etc. I used to get tons of really bad headaches, too. This, I am proud to say, is almost completely a past-tense kind of thing now. The thing that made the biggest difference for me wasn't really a medical intervention, surprisingly.

For eight years of my life, I was a blind person who depended heavily on my residual vision. It caused a lot of strain on my eyes, my neck, and my back. I was always juicing my vision for everything it was worth, and I kept getting by. 

Then, I went to training at the Louisiana Center for the Blind. Under sleep shades for 9 months, I learned how to do things non-visually, but I also learned to trust myself to use the non-visual techniques and got over the discomfort of sighted people noticing that I was doing things differently from them. As these things all happened symbiotically, I became more and more efficient with nonvisual techniques. After I hit the point of about 6 months into training, I started to realize that I wasn't paying attention to my vision so much anymore. When the sleep shades weren't on, I was still using those nonvisual techniques, which were now more efficient than the old visual ones. Since I was almost never using my eyes, this took all the strain off of them, as well as my neck and back. I experienced a decrease in my headaches, and I even found that my vision got a little bit better because my eyes finally had a break. 

I have heard your name a lot over the past few years, but I don't know if I've heard of a training center attached to your name. If you haven't gone to one of the six Structured Discovery training centers, it might really help you out like it did for me.

Take care,

Justin

Justin M. Salisbury, MA, NOMC, NCRTB, NCUEB
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-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 8:27 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Ocular Migraines

Hi all,

Sorry for this being slightly off-topic, but I wasn't sure of any other way to ask for information on it.

I've had some pretty bad headaches since my early teen years, but every time I brought it up to my pediatrician (who is really good and who otherwise I really like), she made it sound like they weren't frequent or severe enough to cause major concern.  There was talk of sending me to a neurologist at one point, but she never went through with it and wanted me to rule out the possibility that the headaches were sinus-related first, which I have done.  While I do get sinus headaches, especially in the Spring, I can usually tell the difference between them and my other headaches by how they feel.  Further, these other headaches are usually there for several hours and aren't responsive to ibuprofen or Tylenol, and typically knock me out or leave me feeling lethargic afterwards.

Within the past year I started having instances where the vision in the eye that has some sight would cut out for a second or two, then come back.  This usually happened before or after a migraine headache, but sometimes it happens for no good reason at all.  I do know that the shunt used to keep my Glaucoma in check is starting to wear down and will need to be replaced in the next several years, but when I told my retina specialist about these issues he was pretty confident that the visual disturbances I was having are caused by ocular migraines either in my eye or near the optic nerve.  I also see a Glaucoma specialist, and he noted around the same time I talked to my retina doc that everything looked as stable as it can be aside from the shunt he put in, but I read that ocular migraines are also experienced by 2/3s of Glaucoma patients who have taken some damage to their optic nerves as I have.

I'm wondering if anyone else has ocular migraines and might have more information than I do.  I've been reading up on them, but obviously I'm a bit hesitant to take everything I read on Web MD or from the Mayo Clinic archives as something that's happening to me.  Again, I know this isn't academic-related and am sorry for veering off-course, but any information would be great.

Thanks,

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Kaiti Shelton

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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  7 00:56:33 2016
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 20:56:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] problem with BN touch
Message-ID: <000501d22035$a6cc2d40$f46487c0$@gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm having a serious issue with my BN touch.

It's currently turned on, locked, and plugged int.

I have it plugged into my computer, because I'm working on my computer at
the moment.

When I try to get into my device, I get the message, "enabling keysoft.

I can't even turn my device off.

What can I do?

Thanks,

Jessica

"


From hope.paulos at gmail.com  Fri Oct  7 01:09:20 2016
From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 21:09:20 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] problem with BN touch
In-Reply-To: <000501d22035$a6cc2d40$f46487c0$@gmail.com>
References: <000501d22035$a6cc2d40$f46487c0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00f901d22037$7024b670$506e2350$@gmail.com>

I looked in the user manual to see if I could assist you. I don't see
anything about resetting the device. The best solution I can give you is to
call Humanware technical support tomorrow. 
Can you unplug it and see if it'll turn off? I'm sure there's a way to reset
it but I don't own the product.
 I wish I could be of more help. 

-----Original Message-----
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via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2016 8:57 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Jessica Dail
Subject: [nabs-l] problem with BN touch

Hi,

I'm having a serious issue with my BN touch.

It's currently turned on, locked, and plugged int.

I have it plugged into my computer, because I'm working on my computer at
the moment.

When I try to get into my device, I get the message, "enabling keysoft.

I can't even turn my device off.

What can I do?

Thanks,

Jessica

"

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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  7 01:22:24 2016
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 21:22:24 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] problem with BN touch
In-Reply-To: <00f901d22037$7024b670$506e2350$@gmail.com>
References: <000501d22035$a6cc2d40$f46487c0$@gmail.com>
	<00f901d22037$7024b670$506e2350$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000601d22039$4292b020$c7b81060$@gmail.com>

Hi,
I tried as you suggested, but nothing happened.
Does anyone else have any other ideas?
I need access to it tonight.
Thanks,
Jessica

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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] problem with BN touch

I looked in the user manual to see if I could assist you. I don't see
anything about resetting the device. The best solution I can give you is to
call Humanware technical support tomorrow. 
Can you unplug it and see if it'll turn off? I'm sure there's a way to reset
it but I don't own the product.
 I wish I could be of more help. 

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via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2016 8:57 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Jessica Dail
Subject: [nabs-l] problem with BN touch

Hi,

I'm having a serious issue with my BN touch.

It's currently turned on, locked, and plugged int.

I have it plugged into my computer, because I'm working on my computer at
the moment.

When I try to get into my device, I get the message, "enabling keysoft.

I can't even turn my device off.

What can I do?

Thanks,

Jessica

"

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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Fri Oct  7 01:24:30 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 18:24:30 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Readers
Message-ID: <BFE9A70B-A129-4C14-A559-B6AD4D7C99EC@gmail.com>

Hi All,
I was wondering if any of you have used readers to read a chapter from a textbook, and how exactly you would go about this process.
Although I have the textbook I need, it has been scanned by Disability Services and there are tons of errors, making some parts confusing to read. 
Do you just tell the reader when to stop so that you can take notes on a particular topic?
Would it be appropriate to ask my disability services office to check for spelling/accuracy, or is that not really their place?
Thanks,
Vejas 

From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Fri Oct  7 01:26:19 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 18:26:19 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] problem with BN touch
In-Reply-To: <000601d22039$4292b020$c7b81060$@gmail.com>
References: <000501d22035$a6cc2d40$f46487c0$@gmail.com>
	<00f901d22037$7024b670$506e2350$@gmail.com>
	<000601d22039$4292b020$c7b81060$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <893E8BDD-6052-45E0-BA13-F4C2A1A39871@gmail.com>

Do you have the files for which you need access stored on a memory card of some sort? If so, you could take out the card and put it into your computer.
Vejas   

> On Oct 6, 2016, at 18:22, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I tried as you suggested, but nothing happened.
> Does anyone else have any other ideas?
> I need access to it tonight.
> Thanks,
> Jessica
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> NABS-L
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> Cc: Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] problem with BN touch
> 
> I looked in the user manual to see if I could assist you. I don't see
> anything about resetting the device. The best solution I can give you is to
> call Humanware technical support tomorrow. 
> Can you unplug it and see if it'll turn off? I'm sure there's a way to reset
> it but I don't own the product.
> I wish I could be of more help. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jessica Dail
> via NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2016 8:57 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Jessica Dail
> Subject: [nabs-l] problem with BN touch
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm having a serious issue with my BN touch.
> 
> It's currently turned on, locked, and plugged int.
> 
> I have it plugged into my computer, because I'm working on my computer at
> the moment.
> 
> When I try to get into my device, I get the message, "enabling keysoft.
> 
> I can't even turn my device off.
> 
> What can I do?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jessica
> 
> "
> 
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From jameyanne at gmail.com  Fri Oct  7 01:30:55 2016
From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 21:30:55 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] problem with BN touch
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	<000601d22039$4292b020$c7b81060$@gmail.com>
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Hi Jessica, 
I had this problem a few days after I got my Touch. Unplug it from your
computer and first try holding in the power button until it turns all the
way oof. It's a forced shut down. Then give it a few minutes and turn it
back on. If it still says enabling keysoft, or you can't get it to turn off,
take it out of the case and remove the battery and put the battery back in.
Make sure, when you're turning it on, that it's not plugged in. For some
reason mine really doesn't like that.
As I recall, it just took a lot of turning it on and off and on and off
before I finally got it to work.
Another thing you might try is clicking the home button three times to turn
keysoft off and thendoing the same thing to turn keysoft on.
Hopefully one of these things works for getting you access tonight, but
definitely be sure to call humanware tomorrow. I'm not saying this is what's
wrong with your touch, but I had a series of weird glitches, starting with
this problem, that led me first to do a complete factory reset of my touch
and then to it having to go back for repairs and Humanware having to replace
the motherboard because it was defective. So just call them so you're on top
of it.
Hope this is helpful.
Jameyanne

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:22 PM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] problem with BN touch

Hi,
I tried as you suggested, but nothing happened.
Does anyone else have any other ideas?
I need access to it tonight.
Thanks,
Jessica

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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] problem with BN touch

I looked in the user manual to see if I could assist you. I don't see
anything about resetting the device. The best solution I can give you is to
call Humanware technical support tomorrow. 
Can you unplug it and see if it'll turn off? I'm sure there's a way to reset
it but I don't own the product.
 I wish I could be of more help. 

-----Original Message-----
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via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2016 8:57 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Jessica Dail
Subject: [nabs-l] problem with BN touch

Hi,

I'm having a serious issue with my BN touch.

It's currently turned on, locked, and plugged int.

I have it plugged into my computer, because I'm working on my computer at
the moment.

When I try to get into my device, I get the message, "enabling keysoft.

I can't even turn my device off.

What can I do?

Thanks,

Jessica

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From jameyanne at gmail.com  Fri Oct  7 01:33:24 2016
From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 21:33:24 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Readers
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I've never used a reader so can't answer your first questions, but I feel
like you could say to Your disabilities service office that you're having a
problem because there are lots of errors in the scanned book and is there
anything they can do to reduce those errors. Honestly they should have
someone proofreading.

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Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Readers

Hi All,
I was wondering if any of you have used readers to read a chapter from a
textbook, and how exactly you would go about this process.
Although I have the textbook I need, it has been scanned by Disability
Services and there are tons of errors, making some parts confusing to read. 
Do you just tell the reader when to stop so that you can take notes on a
particular topic?
Would it be appropriate to ask my disability services office to check for
spelling/accuracy, or is that not really their place?
Thanks,
Vejas 
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From hope.paulos at gmail.com  Fri Oct  7 01:44:20 2016
From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 21:44:20 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Readers
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	<012801d2203a$cbfcf3b0$63f6db10$@gmail.com>
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They should be checking for spelling/accuracy. As far as having a reader
read chapters in the book, I'd try and set up some time each week to have
them read the chapters. You can ask them to stop at a particular point so
you can take notes but you can also record the reading. This way, you can go
back and re-read the chapters for tests and more in-depth note-taking.
I hope this is helpful.

-----Original Message-----
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Fuller via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2016 9:33 PM
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Cc: Jameyanne Fuller
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about Readers

I've never used a reader so can't answer your first questions, but I feel
like you could say to Your disabilities service office that you're having a
problem because there are lots of errors in the scanned book and is there
anything they can do to reduce those errors. Honestly they should have
someone proofreading.

-----Original Message-----
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To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Readers

Hi All,
I was wondering if any of you have used readers to read a chapter from a
textbook, and how exactly you would go about this process.
Although I have the textbook I need, it has been scanned by Disability
Services and there are tons of errors, making some parts confusing to read. 
Do you just tell the reader when to stop so that you can take notes on a
particular topic?
Would it be appropriate to ask my disability services office to check for
spelling/accuracy, or is that not really their place?
Thanks,
Vejas
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From amanie1226 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  7 01:50:46 2016
From: amanie1226 at gmail.com (amanie)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 21:50:46 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] problem with BN touch
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	<00f901d22037$7024b670$506e2350$@gmail.com>
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Hi
In order to perform a hard reset, you have to hold the home button and the power button down simultaneously until you see the unit respond
I believe it will say starting key soft and after the wheel spins, there are options that you can choose from.
You may scroll through the different reset options with your next thumb key and previous thumb key and activate the options with your cursor router button. If you just want to do a minor repair you will hit next until you see the option, file system repair, then you select that and select reboot now.
If you want to do an entire reset which will restore the braille note as a new unit, you have to select wipe data/restore to factory settings, select that,hit next until you see the letter Y, selectthat, and hit reboot now.
I hope this helps.
If you still need assistance, you may contact me off list via the information provided below.


Sent from my iPhone Ms. Amanie T Riley
MSED student, TVI in training
B.S. Psychology/Education
914-308-6944

> On Oct 6, 2016, at 9:22 PM, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I tried as you suggested, but nothing happened.
> Does anyone else have any other ideas?
> I need access to it tonight.
> Thanks,
> Jessica
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Hope Paulos via
> NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:09 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] problem with BN touch
> 
> I looked in the user manual to see if I could assist you. I don't see
> anything about resetting the device. The best solution I can give you is to
> call Humanware technical support tomorrow. 
> Can you unplug it and see if it'll turn off? I'm sure there's a way to reset
> it but I don't own the product.
> I wish I could be of more help. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jessica Dail
> via NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2016 8:57 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Jessica Dail
> Subject: [nabs-l] problem with BN touch
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm having a serious issue with my BN touch.
> 
> It's currently turned on, locked, and plugged int.
> 
> I have it plugged into my computer, because I'm working on my computer at
> the moment.
> 
> When I try to get into my device, I get the message, "enabling keysoft.
> 
> I can't even turn my device off.
> 
> What can I do?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jessica
> 
> "
> 
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Fri Oct  7 01:54:50 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 18:54:50 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Readers
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	<012801d2203a$cbfcf3b0$63f6db10$@gmail.com>
	<010c01d2203c$5390a280$fab1e780$@gmail.com>
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Thanks, both of you.  I think I will ask for DSS to spell-check, I did not know that that they could do this.
Another issue I am having with these PDF's, which may be a separate issue, is that there are occasionally blocks of text which are interrupted by another completely unrelated block of text, then will jump back to the original block of text if that makes any sense. I don't know if this is because it is  a table, or why this happens, I wonder if this issue can be avoided by saving it in a word format?
Thanks,
Vejas 

> On Oct 6, 2016, at 18:44, Hope Paulos via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> They should be checking for spelling/accuracy. As far as having a reader
> read chapters in the book, I'd try and set up some time each week to have
> them read the chapters. You can ask them to stop at a particular point so
> you can take notes but you can also record the reading. This way, you can go
> back and re-read the chapters for tests and more in-depth note-taking.
> I hope this is helpful.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jameyanne
> Fuller via NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2016 9:33 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Cc: Jameyanne Fuller
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about Readers
> 
> I've never used a reader so can't answer your first questions, but I feel
> like you could say to Your disabilities service office that you're having a
> problem because there are lots of errors in the scanned book and is there
> anything they can do to reduce those errors. Honestly they should have
> someone proofreading.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas via
> NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:25 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Vejas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Readers
> 
> Hi All,
> I was wondering if any of you have used readers to read a chapter from a
> textbook, and how exactly you would go about this process.
> Although I have the textbook I need, it has been scanned by Disability
> Services and there are tons of errors, making some parts confusing to read. 
> Do you just tell the reader when to stop so that you can take notes on a
> particular topic?
> Would it be appropriate to ask my disability services office to check for
> spelling/accuracy, or is that not really their place?
> Thanks,
> Vejas
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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  7 02:05:36 2016
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica)
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2016 22:05:36 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] problem with BN touch
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From emitchell927 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  7 12:22:24 2016
From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 08:22:24 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Readers
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Hi, 
I use readers and scribes all the time. I would set up a meeting with your disability office to discuss what is needed and get the service in place.
Emma

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 6, 2016, at 9:24 PM, Vejas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> I was wondering if any of you have used readers to read a chapter from a textbook, and how exactly you would go about this process.
> Although I have the textbook I need, it has been scanned by Disability Services and there are tons of errors, making some parts confusing to read. 
> Do you just tell the reader when to stop so that you can take notes on a particular topic?
> Would it be appropriate to ask my disability services office to check for spelling/accuracy, or is that not really their place?
> Thanks,
> Vejas 
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From steve.jacobson-visi at outlook.com  Fri Oct  7 14:44:44 2016
From: steve.jacobson-visi at outlook.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2016 14:44:44 -0000
Subject: [nabs-l] problem with BN touch
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Jessica,

We had the same problem with ours.  What I found is that eventually whatever
is happening will complete and you should again have access.  Powering down
and rebooting will bring you back to the same screen and you will still have
to wait so that was a waste of time at least for us.  We returned our
BrailleNote Touch to Humanware so they could see why this was happening but
there was no explanation when it was returned but they did do some sort of
repair.  You may not need to send yours in, though.  Since they have seen
this before, they should be able to help you in the long run.  In the short
run, just waiting for as much as an hour should result in having that screen
going away.  Before I sent ours in, I tried tons of different things to make
the problem go away and nothing worked, and I may have delayed the
completion of whatever it is that is running.  

I have to tell you that I was pretty frustrated with this behavior, and also
with the fact that the carrying case does not protect the power button.  One
really needs to power it all the way down when carrying it in my experience.
Booting up takes longer than it did with the old BrailleNote so powering
down and back up really is not a satisfactory option and I hope they find a
way to address it.  When I carried ours around, even with the lock screen
set, It seemed to me that keystrokes would get placed in the buffer so that
when I eventually unlocked it, they would all execute.  Also, I think having
to load contacts from an old brailleNote into Gmail and synchronizing the
new BrailleNote is ridiculous and hope that a smoother method will come
along at some point.  Maybe other users have found ways around some of what
I'm whining about, but even though this is a nice device, there seems to be
some pretty rough edges for something that costs so much.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-----Original Message-----
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via NABS-L
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] problem with BN touch

Hi,
I tried as you suggested, but nothing happened.
Does anyone else have any other ideas?
I need access to it tonight.
Thanks,
Jessica

-----Original Message-----
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NABS-L
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Cc: Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] problem with BN touch

I looked in the user manual to see if I could assist you. I don't see
anything about resetting the device. The best solution I can give you is to
call Humanware technical support tomorrow. 
Can you unplug it and see if it'll turn off? I'm sure there's a way to reset
it but I don't own the product.
 I wish I could be of more help. 

-----Original Message-----
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via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2016 8:57 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Jessica Dail
Subject: [nabs-l] problem with BN touch

Hi,

I'm having a serious issue with my BN touch.

It's currently turned on, locked, and plugged int.

I have it plugged into my computer, because I'm working on my computer at
the moment.

When I try to get into my device, I get the message, "enabling keysoft.

I can't even turn my device off.

What can I do?

Thanks,

Jessica

"

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From jameyanne at gmail.com  Fri Oct  7 15:11:14 2016
From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 11:11:14 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] problem with BN touch
In-Reply-To: <004e01d220a9$3a592bd0$af0b8370$@outlook.com>
References: <000501d22035$a6cc2d40$f46487c0$@gmail.com>	<00f901d22037$7024b670$506e2350$@gmail.com>	<000601d22039$4292b020$c7b81060$@gmail.com>
	<004e01d220a9$3a592bd0$af0b8370$@outlook.com>
Message-ID: <001a01d220ad$0bfeba80$23fc2f80$@gmail.com>

I really like all that the Touch can do, but it's been super glitchy on so
many fronts.
Mine is actually back at Humanware for the second time in two months right
now, ad I'm suffering without it because my Apex is on the fritz and I hate
taking notes on my laptop because I'm bad at listening to JAWS and the class
discussion. The first time it went back it was because the motherboard
crapped out and they had to replace it. This time, something was wrong with
the screen and I was getting a lot of false touches, resulting in literal
pages of apostrophes in my documents. Apparently a lot of people are having
this problem because they have a plan to expedite the repairs.
I did get a case from Executive Products that has definitely lessened the
issues with the power button, though. It's also way lighter than the
humanware case, but no physical keyboard if you like that..  So I recommend
that.

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
via NABS-L
Sent: None
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
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Cc: Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson-visi at outlook.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] problem with BN touch

Jessica,

We had the same problem with ours.  What I found is that eventually whatever
is happening will complete and you should again have access.  Powering down
and rebooting will bring you back to the same screen and you will still have
to wait so that was a waste of time at least for us.  We returned our
BrailleNote Touch to Humanware so they could see why this was happening but
there was no explanation when it was returned but they did do some sort of
repair.  You may not need to send yours in, though.  Since they have seen
this before, they should be able to help you in the long run.  In the short
run, just waiting for as much as an hour should result in having that screen
going away.  Before I sent ours in, I tried tons of different things to make
the problem go away and nothing worked, and I may have delayed the
completion of whatever it is that is running.  

I have to tell you that I was pretty frustrated with this behavior, and also
with the fact that the carrying case does not protect the power button.  One
really needs to power it all the way down when carrying it in my experience.
Booting up takes longer than it did with the old BrailleNote so powering
down and back up really is not a satisfactory option and I hope they find a
way to address it.  When I carried ours around, even with the lock screen
set, It seemed to me that keystrokes would get placed in the buffer so that
when I eventually unlocked it, they would all execute.  Also, I think having
to load contacts from an old brailleNote into Gmail and synchronizing the
new BrailleNote is ridiculous and hope that a smoother method will come
along at some point.  Maybe other users have found ways around some of what
I'm whining about, but even though this is a nice device, there seems to be
some pretty rough edges for something that costs so much.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jessica Dail
via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2016 8:22 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Jessica Dail <jldail13 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] problem with BN touch

Hi,
I tried as you suggested, but nothing happened.
Does anyone else have any other ideas?
I need access to it tonight.
Thanks,
Jessica

-----Original Message-----
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NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:09 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
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Cc: Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] problem with BN touch

I looked in the user manual to see if I could assist you. I don't see
anything about resetting the device. The best solution I can give you is to
call Humanware technical support tomorrow. 
Can you unplug it and see if it'll turn off? I'm sure there's a way to reset
it but I don't own the product.
 I wish I could be of more help. 

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jessica Dail
via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2016 8:57 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Jessica Dail
Subject: [nabs-l] problem with BN touch

Hi,

I'm having a serious issue with my BN touch.

It's currently turned on, locked, and plugged int.

I have it plugged into my computer, because I'm working on my computer at
the moment.

When I try to get into my device, I get the message, "enabling keysoft.

I can't even turn my device off.

What can I do?

Thanks,

Jessica

"

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From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Fri Oct  7 15:18:29 2016
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (Amanda Cape)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 11:18:29 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] problem with BN touch
In-Reply-To: <001a01d220ad$0bfeba80$23fc2f80$@gmail.com>
References: <000501d22035$a6cc2d40$f46487c0$@gmail.com>
	<00f901d22037$7024b670$506e2350$@gmail.com>
	<000601d22039$4292b020$c7b81060$@gmail.com>
	<004e01d220a9$3a592bd0$af0b8370$@outlook.com>
	<001a01d220ad$0bfeba80$23fc2f80$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAL57mpEWbTiRirTeU0SZF+Ca+5W9eib5KajDwzyjnOKSHbDHpQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jamie-Anne and others,
I currently have a Braillenote Apex. What would be the advantages or
disadvantages of switching to the Braillenote touch if I could? How
might these compare to purchasing the SmartBeetle braille display as a
more portable one that I can use with my Iphone and/or laptop and
keeping my Apex?
Has anyone checked out the Orbit reader yet?
Thanks,
Amanda

On 10/7/16, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I really like all that the Touch can do, but it's been super glitchy on so
> many fronts.
> Mine is actually back at Humanware for the second time in two months right
> now, ad I'm suffering without it because my Apex is on the fritz and I hate
> taking notes on my laptop because I'm bad at listening to JAWS and the
> class
> discussion. The first time it went back it was because the motherboard
> crapped out and they had to replace it. This time, something was wrong with
> the screen and I was getting a lot of false touches, resulting in literal
> pages of apostrophes in my documents. Apparently a lot of people are having
> this problem because they have a plan to expedite the repairs.
> I did get a case from Executive Products that has definitely lessened the
> issues with the power button, though. It's also way lighter than the
> humanware case, but no physical keyboard if you like that..  So I recommend
> that.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
> via NABS-L
> Sent: None
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson-visi at outlook.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] problem with BN touch
>
> Jessica,
>
> We had the same problem with ours.  What I found is that eventually
> whatever
> is happening will complete and you should again have access.  Powering down
> and rebooting will bring you back to the same screen and you will still
> have
> to wait so that was a waste of time at least for us.  We returned our
> BrailleNote Touch to Humanware so they could see why this was happening but
> there was no explanation when it was returned but they did do some sort of
> repair.  You may not need to send yours in, though.  Since they have seen
> this before, they should be able to help you in the long run.  In the short
> run, just waiting for as much as an hour should result in having that
> screen
> going away.  Before I sent ours in, I tried tons of different things to
> make
> the problem go away and nothing worked, and I may have delayed the
> completion of whatever it is that is running.
>
> I have to tell you that I was pretty frustrated with this behavior, and
> also
> with the fact that the carrying case does not protect the power button.
> One
> really needs to power it all the way down when carrying it in my
> experience.
> Booting up takes longer than it did with the old BrailleNote so powering
> down and back up really is not a satisfactory option and I hope they find a
> way to address it.  When I carried ours around, even with the lock screen
> set, It seemed to me that keystrokes would get placed in the buffer so that
> when I eventually unlocked it, they would all execute.  Also, I think
> having
> to load contacts from an old brailleNote into Gmail and synchronizing the
> new BrailleNote is ridiculous and hope that a smoother method will come
> along at some point.  Maybe other users have found ways around some of what
> I'm whining about, but even though this is a nice device, there seems to be
> some pretty rough edges for something that costs so much.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jessica Dail
> via NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2016 8:22 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Jessica Dail <jldail13 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] problem with BN touch
>
> Hi,
> I tried as you suggested, but nothing happened.
> Does anyone else have any other ideas?
> I need access to it tonight.
> Thanks,
> Jessica
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Hope Paulos
> via
> NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:09 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] problem with BN touch
>
> I looked in the user manual to see if I could assist you. I don't see
> anything about resetting the device. The best solution I can give you is to
> call Humanware technical support tomorrow.
> Can you unplug it and see if it'll turn off? I'm sure there's a way to
> reset
> it but I don't own the product.
>  I wish I could be of more help.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jessica Dail
> via NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2016 8:57 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Jessica Dail
> Subject: [nabs-l] problem with BN touch
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm having a serious issue with my BN touch.
>
> It's currently turned on, locked, and plugged int.
>
> I have it plugged into my computer, because I'm working on my computer at
> the moment.
>
> When I try to get into my device, I get the message, "enabling keysoft.
>
> I can't even turn my device off.
>
> What can I do?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jessica
>
> "
>
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  7 16:27:11 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 12:27:11 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Readers
In-Reply-To: <2B0AE303-EDEB-44F4-815C-5360A6F7AF2C@gmail.com>
References: <BFE9A70B-A129-4C14-A559-B6AD4D7C99EC@gmail.com>
	<2B0AE303-EDEB-44F4-815C-5360A6F7AF2C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009a01d220b7$a86522b0$f92f6810$@gmail.com>

If you can't read the book due to errors, you should definitely bring that
up to the disability office.  If your office provides readers, then see if
they can do that for you.  Find out also if they have learning ally, and if
they can get the book on learning ally.  There is some software you can
download.  Failing that, have them rescan it and explain to them how
confusing the book is to read.
You can also trying getting the book in accessible formmat rather than
having your office scan it.  I can find the name of the law if you would
loie, but in a nutshell, the publisher  should have that made accessible,
and your office can order it.  You won't have the flexibility that Microsoft
word, or even a pdf  gives you, but you will be able to read it.
Justin

 -----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Emma Mitchell
via NABS-L
Sent: Friday, October 7, 2016 8:22 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Emma Mitchell <emitchell927 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about Readers

Hi, 
I use readers and scribes all the time. I would set up a meeting with your
disability office to discuss what is needed and get the service in place.
Emma

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 6, 2016, at 9:24 PM, Vejas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> I was wondering if any of you have used readers to read a chapter from a
textbook, and how exactly you would go about this process.
> Although I have the textbook I need, it has been scanned by Disability
Services and there are tons of errors, making some parts confusing to read. 
> Do you just tell the reader when to stop so that you can take notes on a
particular topic?
> Would it be appropriate to ask my disability services office to check for
spelling/accuracy, or is that not really their place?
> Thanks,
> Vejas 
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From gallagher123123 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  7 16:34:07 2016
From: gallagher123123 at gmail.com (cullen)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 12:34:07 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] problem with BN touch
In-Reply-To: <CAL57mpEWbTiRirTeU0SZF+Ca+5W9eib5KajDwzyjnOKSHbDHpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000501d22035$a6cc2d40$f46487c0$@gmail.com>
	<00f901d22037$7024b670$506e2350$@gmail.com>
	<000601d22039$4292b020$c7b81060$@gmail.com>
	<004e01d220a9$3a592bd0$af0b8370$@outlook.com>
	<001a01d220ad$0bfeba80$23fc2f80$@gmail.com>
	<CAL57mpEWbTiRirTeU0SZF+Ca+5W9eib5KajDwzyjnOKSHbDHpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C2190A0B-8082-4017-9F1F-1ABAD8B85D0F@gmail.com>

Hi All,
> It’s important to remember that the Braillenote Touch is a very new device, so it still has some bugs. I have had my touch now for almost 2 months, and I had to send it back once because it crashed. other than that though, my experience has been great with the device. I really enjoy the ability to create documents in the Docx format without converting them from braille. Also, email and web browsing are much nicer. Since the touch runs android, you can install many great accessible apps. I am very confident that Humanware will fix the bugs as they have done so in the past. That said, there are still a couple of annoyances. The biggest one for me is that there is no way to have two documents open in the word processor. Also, that power button is so aggravating. I pull it out of my bag and find I am in a random app. Other than that though, it’s an amazing device. I just hope Humanware really works on fixing the major problems with the device. if I have to send it in again, i won’t be happy at all. 

Cullen
> On Oct 7, 2016, at 11:18 AM, Amanda Cape via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jamie-Anne and others,
> I currently have a Braillenote Apex. What would be the advantages or
> disadvantages of switching to the Braillenote touch if I could? How
> might these compare to purchasing the SmartBeetle braille display as a
> more portable one that I can use with my Iphone and/or laptop and
> keeping my Apex?
> Has anyone checked out the Orbit reader yet?
> Thanks,
> Amanda
> 
> On 10/7/16, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I really like all that the Touch can do, but it's been super glitchy on so
>> many fronts.
>> Mine is actually back at Humanware for the second time in two months right
>> now, ad I'm suffering without it because my Apex is on the fritz and I hate
>> taking notes on my laptop because I'm bad at listening to JAWS and the
>> class
>> discussion. The first time it went back it was because the motherboard
>> crapped out and they had to replace it. This time, something was wrong with
>> the screen and I was getting a lot of false touches, resulting in literal
>> pages of apostrophes in my documents. Apparently a lot of people are having
>> this problem because they have a plan to expedite the repairs.
>> I did get a case from Executive Products that has definitely lessened the
>> issues with the power button, though. It's also way lighter than the
>> humanware case, but no physical keyboard if you like that..  So I recommend
>> that.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
>> via NABS-L
>> Sent: None
>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson-visi at outlook.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] problem with BN touch
>> 
>> Jessica,
>> 
>> We had the same problem with ours.  What I found is that eventually
>> whatever
>> is happening will complete and you should again have access.  Powering down
>> and rebooting will bring you back to the same screen and you will still
>> have
>> to wait so that was a waste of time at least for us.  We returned our
>> BrailleNote Touch to Humanware so they could see why this was happening but
>> there was no explanation when it was returned but they did do some sort of
>> repair.  You may not need to send yours in, though.  Since they have seen
>> this before, they should be able to help you in the long run.  In the short
>> run, just waiting for as much as an hour should result in having that
>> screen
>> going away.  Before I sent ours in, I tried tons of different things to
>> make
>> the problem go away and nothing worked, and I may have delayed the
>> completion of whatever it is that is running.
>> 
>> I have to tell you that I was pretty frustrated with this behavior, and
>> also
>> with the fact that the carrying case does not protect the power button.
>> One
>> really needs to power it all the way down when carrying it in my
>> experience.
>> Booting up takes longer than it did with the old BrailleNote so powering
>> down and back up really is not a satisfactory option and I hope they find a
>> way to address it.  When I carried ours around, even with the lock screen
>> set, It seemed to me that keystrokes would get placed in the buffer so that
>> when I eventually unlocked it, they would all execute.  Also, I think
>> having
>> to load contacts from an old brailleNote into Gmail and synchronizing the
>> new BrailleNote is ridiculous and hope that a smoother method will come
>> along at some point.  Maybe other users have found ways around some of what
>> I'm whining about, but even though this is a nice device, there seems to be
>> some pretty rough edges for something that costs so much.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Steve Jacobson
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jessica Dail
>> via NABS-L
>> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2016 8:22 PM
>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Jessica Dail <jldail13 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] problem with BN touch
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I tried as you suggested, but nothing happened.
>> Does anyone else have any other ideas?
>> I need access to it tonight.
>> Thanks,
>> Jessica
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Hope Paulos
>> via
>> NABS-L
>> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:09 PM
>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] problem with BN touch
>> 
>> I looked in the user manual to see if I could assist you. I don't see
>> anything about resetting the device. The best solution I can give you is to
>> call Humanware technical support tomorrow.
>> Can you unplug it and see if it'll turn off? I'm sure there's a way to
>> reset
>> it but I don't own the product.
>> I wish I could be of more help.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jessica Dail
>> via NABS-L
>> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2016 8:57 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Jessica Dail
>> Subject: [nabs-l] problem with BN touch
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm having a serious issue with my BN touch.
>> 
>> It's currently turned on, locked, and plugged int.
>> 
>> I have it plugged into my computer, because I'm working on my computer at
>> the moment.
>> 
>> When I try to get into my device, I get the message, "enabling keysoft.
>> 
>> I can't even turn my device off.
>> 
>> What can I do?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Jessica
>> 
>> "
>> 
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  7 18:29:17 2016
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 14:29:17 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Ocular Migraines
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Hi Justin and all,

 I believe these are different from eyestrain headaches, which I have some
experience with as well. I used to get those quite frequently as a young
child when I was being taught to read print instead of braille, but as you
mentioned they went away after I stopped heavily straining my eyes.
Occasionally, when I do   something that is especially straining I will get
them again, but these headaches are very different. They often just happen
randomly and for no reason at all. I can be sitting at the kitchen table
eating dinner with my family and my vision will suddenly cut out. It's also
happened when I've been  just walking around my house or outside, or
sitting in class. Unless there is a way to turn the vision I have off even
when I'm not using it for visually straining tasks, I don't think that it
makes much of a difference.  I do primarily do things in a non-visual way,
I know there are some tasks I do use a combination of non-visual skills and
my vision for, but I wouldn't say that I rely on it  or milk it for all it
is worth because those eyestrain headaches have taught me not to do that
when I don't have to and can rely on nonvisual skills I have been taught.
These are different, though, in how they feel in my head and in the
conditions that cause them.

 I'm not dismissing your suggestion that I should go to a training center,
but it is not the best thing for me at this time. I am about to enter the
internship phase of my education which is required for me to take the board
certification exam. I think there are some valuable lessons to be learned
at training centers, but timing is different for everyone and some of the
finest   Leaders in our Nfb have not been rehabilitated at all.   so I'm
not taking it completely off the table, but it's not in the cards for me in
the foreseeable future as I work to complete my undergraduate requirements
and get into the workforce.

 I also have another theory that these headaches could be caused by my
shunt breaking down. I know that the  Dura mattar  covering the shunt is
wearing thin and was told this summer that within the next 2 to 5 years it
will need to be replaced. Some list members have been writing to me
directly and have given me some more information that I didn't get from my
doctors about these types of migraines,   But I'm still trying to figure
out if there is a link between the breakdown of the covering over the shunt
and them or not.

On Wednesday, October 5, 2016, Justin Salisbury via NABS-L <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi Kaiti,
>
> I have a lot of those same things you have: a shunt, glaucoma damage to
> optic nerves, etc. I used to get tons of really bad headaches, too. This, I
> am proud to say, is almost completely a past-tense kind of thing now. The
> thing that made the biggest difference for me wasn't really a medical
> intervention, surprisingly.
>
> For eight years of my life, I was a blind person who depended heavily on
> my residual vision. It caused a lot of strain on my eyes, my neck, and my
> back. I was always juicing my vision for everything it was worth, and I
> kept getting by.
>
> Then, I went to training at the Louisiana Center for the Blind. Under
> sleep shades for 9 months, I learned how to do things non-visually, but I
> also learned to trust myself to use the non-visual techniques and got over
> the discomfort of sighted people noticing that I was doing things
> differently from them. As these things all happened symbiotically, I became
> more and more efficient with nonvisual techniques. After I hit the point of
> about 6 months into training, I started to realize that I wasn't paying
> attention to my vision so much anymore. When the sleep shades weren't on, I
> was still using those nonvisual techniques, which were now more efficient
> than the old visual ones. Since I was almost never using my eyes, this took
> all the strain off of them, as well as my neck and back. I experienced a
> decrease in my headaches, and I even found that my vision got a little bit
> better because my eyes finally had a break.
>
> I have heard your name a lot over the past few years, but I don't know if
> I've heard of a training center attached to your name. If you haven't gone
> to one of the six Structured Discovery training centers, it might really
> help you out like it did for me.
>
> Take care,
>
> Justin
>
> Justin M. Salisbury, MA, NOMC, NCRTB, NCUEB
> Opportunity Ambassador
> National Federation of the Blind
> Email: President at Alumni.ECU.edu <javascript:;>
> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justin-salisbury
>
> "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire."
>
> William Butler Yeats
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>] On Behalf
> Of Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L
> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 8:27 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> <javascript:;>>
> Cc: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Ocular Migraines
>
> Hi all,
>
> Sorry for this being slightly off-topic, but I wasn't sure of any other
> way to ask for information on it.
>
> I've had some pretty bad headaches since my early teen years, but every
> time I brought it up to my pediatrician (who is really good and who
> otherwise I really like), she made it sound like they weren't frequent or
> severe enough to cause major concern.  There was talk of sending me to a
> neurologist at one point, but she never went through with it and wanted me
> to rule out the possibility that the headaches were sinus-related first,
> which I have done.  While I do get sinus headaches, especially in the
> Spring, I can usually tell the difference between them and my other
> headaches by how they feel.  Further, these other headaches are usually
> there for several hours and aren't responsive to ibuprofen or Tylenol, and
> typically knock me out or leave me feeling lethargic afterwards.
>
> Within the past year I started having instances where the vision in the
> eye that has some sight would cut out for a second or two, then come back.
> This usually happened before or after a migraine headache, but sometimes it
> happens for no good reason at all.  I do know that the shunt used to keep
> my Glaucoma in check is starting to wear down and will need to be replaced
> in the next several years, but when I told my retina specialist about these
> issues he was pretty confident that the visual disturbances I was having
> are caused by ocular migraines either in my eye or near the optic nerve.  I
> also see a Glaucoma specialist, and he noted around the same time I talked
> to my retina doc that everything looked as stable as it can be aside from
> the shunt he put in, but I read that ocular migraines are also experienced
> by 2/3s of Glaucoma patients who have taken some damage to their optic
> nerves as I have.
>
> I'm wondering if anyone else has ocular migraines and might have more
> information than I do.  I've been reading up on them, but obviously I'm a
> bit hesitant to take everything I read on Web MD or from the Mayo Clinic
> archives as something that's happening to me.  Again, I know this isn't
> academic-related and am sorry for veering off-course, but any information
> would be great.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Kaiti Shelton
>
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-- 
Kaiti Shelton

From nabs.president at gmail.com  Fri Oct  7 21:06:29 2016
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (NABS President)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 17:06:29 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Please read: A huge success for the National Federation of
 the Blind!
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Fellow blind students,
  Please join me in reading an incredible post from our national president. We have had great success in spreading our message and fighting negative perceptions about blindness.

The members of the National Federation of the Blind work on a daily basis to demonstrate that blindness is not the characteristic that defines us or our future. Every day we work to raise expectations for blind people because we experience daily the harmful impacts of low expectations on our lives. Today we can celebrate another important milestone in combating low expectations and educating the public regarding the truth about living with blindness.

Yesterday the Foundation Fighting Blindness released an announcement saying that what it described as phase one of its #HowEyeSeeIt campaign has ended, and that the end of this phase of the campaign signifies the end of the #HowEyeSeeIt Blindfold Challenge. The announcement publicly recognizes the concerns raised during the past month by members of the National Federation of the Blind about the harmful effects of perpetuating misconceptions about blindness in order to raise money for medical research. (For background, read recent posts on our Voice of the Nation's Blind blog, as well as my contribution to the Huffington Post.) This long-awaited announcement, combined with the meeting the foundation leaders have agreed to have with me later this month, makes me cautiously optimistic that they have come to understand the valid concerns of the blind of America.

It is fitting that this hopeful sign of change has been achieved in October, which is "Meet the Blind Month" in the National Federation of the Blind. During this month we put extra emphasis and energy into getting our local chapters out into the community in order to teach members of the public about blindness by having them get to know blind people and to better understand our lived experience of blindness through genuine interactions. For the members of the Federation, this is often a time to tell our individual stories about breaking through the misconceptions that we have internalized and coming to the realization that if we allow ourselves to buy into the fallacy that blindness is a severe limitation, we will most certainly and artificially limit our potential. Low expectations are self-fulfilling and only lead to minimized opportunities and diminished lives.

I want to express my deep appreciation for the members of the National Federation of the Blind who have respectfully and energetically pushed back on the harmful impact of the #HowEyeSeeIt Blindfold Challenge. The true stories of the experience of blind people that have been shared during the past month have gone a long way toward mitigating the negative impact of the campaign and creating a greater understanding of the interesting, active, adventurous, fun, and powerful lives we live as blind people. Equally as important, members of the Federation have demonstrated courage in speaking the truth about blindness. I read many disappointing comments from supporters of the #HowEyeSeeIt campaign suggesting that our reaction to it was unfounded, mean spirited, and ungrateful. It takes courage to speak the truth even in the face of discouraging comments about the lives we live every day and the discrimination we face from the low expectations of others that were perpetuated by the blindfold challenge. The stories of hope, love, and determination that have been shared by Federation members are a shining example of the timeless observation that the truth will set us free.

Although the FFB says it has ended the Blindfold Challenge, I encourage members of the Federation to keep telling your stories. Continue to create videos, write blogs, share photos, and publish articles about the true lived experience of blind people and how we use alternative techniques to participate fully in society. Continue to tell those stories because we must repair the damage that has been done, and because this will not be the last time that we are confronted with the negative impact of low expectations. Keep telling our stories because the more we tell the truth and the more we demonstrate our integrity, courage, and the independent and dignified way in which we live our lives, the more we will continue to make powerful, and ultimately permanent, change throughout our society. This experience once again demonstrates the power of our collective action.

The announcement released yesterday by the Foundation tells us that the #HowEyeSeeIt Blindfold Challenge was built on the theme of “experiencing the world through another person’s eyes.” Of course, this is the primary problem that members of the Federation had with the challenge. Vision is not a requirement for success. Blind people experience the world just as fully and joyfully as others do, but using our other senses instead of our eyes. The joy of living and gaining knowledge about the world is not found in one sense but through the combination of them, powered by the decision of each of us to be happy and fulfilled human beings focused on the many things we can perceive rather than what we cannot. The blindfold challenge was focused on vision, while the lived experience of blind people—the everyday lives we live and the techniques we use to do the normal everyday tasks and the extraordinary, not-so-everyday ones—are not dependent on the eyes. The announcement goes on to say that “Phase two of the campaign will feature profiles of people with no or low vision, showcasing their adaptability, strength and talent.” I again encourage the Foundation and all of its supporters to call on members of the National Federation of the Blind for profiles of blind people living life successfully, carrying out the normal responsibilities of equal participation, and breaking down the stereotypes about blindness. The evidence from the past month demonstrates that the National Federation of the Blind, the oldest and largest organization of blind people, has strength and capacity rooted in the authentic experience of blind people living the lives we want. We invite the Foundation Fighting Blindness to draw from this deep well of experience to tell its supporters that there is life with blindness, even as the search for new medical treatments continues.

To my brothers and sisters in our movement, I again express my deepest appreciation for what you do to demonstrate the truth about blindness every day. It is a tangible expression of the promise that we make to each other in our organization a promise that has been clearly witnessed in our work on this campaign and which expresses #HowWeSeeIt: Together with love, hope, and determination we transform dreams into reality!

   

Kathryn Webster
President, National Association of Blind Students
(203) 273-8463
Sent from my iPhone

From dandrews at visi.com  Sat Oct  8 02:55:29 2016
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2016 21:55:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Survey To Help the Blind Live the Lives We Want In
 Our Christian Communities
Message-ID: <auto-000067366189@mailfront2.g2host.com>


>
>Hello everyone,
>
>This is Melody Roane from Richmond, 
>Virginia.  For the past eight years, I have had 
>the privilege to serve on the Board of the 
>Braille Circulating Library which is a ministry 
>located here in Richmond, that provides 
>Christian materials to blind patrons from all 
>around the world.  Many of our materials are 
>available in Braille, large print and cassette.
>
>We are excited about all the opportunities God 
>has given the Braille Circulating Library to 
>serve the blind community over the past 91 
>years, and we are stepping out in faith as we 
>plan for the next 91 years!  We are at a point 
>in the life of our ministry where we want to 
>receive your input concerning what materials and 
>services would help you grow in your Christian 
>walk and empower you to serve others in your 
>churches. Â We are exploring ways that we can 
>modernize our collection and make it more accessible to the blind.
>
>In the link below, you will find a short 
>introduction to the history of our ministry 
>along with a ten-question survey.  We are 
>requesting that you fill out the survey with 
>your thoughts and ideas that we will prayerfully 
>consider as we determine God’s direction for the Braille Circulating Library.
>
>Thank you in advance for your input and suggestions.
>
>If you have any questions, please do not 
>hesitate to e-mail me at 
><mailto:lindseyroanem1 at gmail.com>lindseyroanem1 at gmail.com
>
>May God bless you in all the good work you do.
>
>Have a beautiful day!
>
>Melody Roane
>
><https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScZXLZYfD_z-WYIjj8OR9GYWAEoJppy9fWWArWA6cJeYYXrtQ/viewform>https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScZXLZYfD_z-WYIjj8OR9GYWAEoJppy9fWWArWA6cJeYYXrtQ/viewform
>
>
>From: "Melody Roane" <lindseyroanem1 at gmail.com>

From dandrews at visi.com  Sat Oct  8 06:08:24 2016
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2016 01:08:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Readers
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References: <BFE9A70B-A129-4C14-A559-B6AD4D7C99EC@gmail.com>
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If you are going to use a human reader then use the book itself. The 
only reason to scan a book is to produce an electronic copy. And yes, 
hopefully that copy is accurate.

Dave

At 08:24 PM 10/6/2016, you wrote:
>Hi All,
>I was wondering if any of you have used readers to read a chapter 
>from a textbook, and how exactly you would go about this process.
>Although I have the textbook I need, it has been scanned by 
>Disability Services and there are tons of errors, making some parts 
>confusing to read.
>Do you just tell the reader when to stop so that you can take notes 
>on a particular topic?
>Would it be appropriate to ask my disability services office to 
>check for spelling/accuracy, or is that not really their place?
>Thanks,
>Vejas



From lakeria2009 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  8 06:29:46 2016
From: lakeria2009 at gmail.com (LaKeria Taylor)
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 01:29:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Readers
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Actually, I would take the book back and make them fix it everytime it
has errors. It is their job. I would not use a reader just to read a
book unless it was completely visual, which one of the stories in my
literature book is.

On 10/8/16, David Andrews via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> If you are going to use a human reader then use the book itself. The
> only reason to scan a book is to produce an electronic copy. And yes,
> hopefully that copy is accurate.
>
> Dave
>
> At 08:24 PM 10/6/2016, you wrote:
>>Hi All,
>>I was wondering if any of you have used readers to read a chapter
>>from a textbook, and how exactly you would go about this process.
>>Although I have the textbook I need, it has been scanned by
>>Disability Services and there are tons of errors, making some parts
>>confusing to read.
>>Do you just tell the reader when to stop so that you can take notes
>>on a particular topic?
>>Would it be appropriate to ask my disability services office to
>>check for spelling/accuracy, or is that not really their place?
>>Thanks,
>>Vejas
>
>
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From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  8 23:24:03 2016
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (Nesma Aly)
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 19:24:03 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Scanning software and unrelated question.
Message-ID: <01e601d221bb$0ec2bcd0$2c483670$@gmail.com>

Hi all, 

I am wondering what program people use in college to scan their materials? I
have herd of curswile 3000 but not sure if that is the software that will be
right for me. 

My next question is about SSI. Do I have to be 18 to apply or can I apply
now? My 18th birthday is in December. I have been told by my mom that it
takes up to three months to get accepted. 

Thanks, 

Nesma


From chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com  Sun Oct  9 00:20:33 2016
From: chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com (chelsea peahl)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2016 00:20:33 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Scanning software and unrelated question.
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If you apply now, they will take into account your parents income. They look at the date you applied. 

Chelsea Peahl

> On Oct 8, 2016, at 5:25 PM, Nesma Aly via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all, 
> 
> I am wondering what program people use in college to scan their materials? I
> have herd of curswile 3000 but not sure if that is the software that will be
> right for me. 
> 
> My next question is about SSI. Do I have to be 18 to apply or can I apply
> now? My 18th birthday is in December. I have been told by my mom that it
> takes up to three months to get accepted. 
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Nesma
> 
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From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  9 00:23:53 2016
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (Nesma Aly)
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 20:23:53 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Scanning software and unrelated question.
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Ok thanks 

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via NABS-L
Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2016 8:21 PM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Scanning software and unrelated question.

If you apply now, they will take into account your parents income. They look
at the date you applied. 

Chelsea Peahl

> On Oct 8, 2016, at 5:25 PM, Nesma Aly via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I am wondering what program people use in college to scan their 
> materials? I have herd of curswile 3000 but not sure if that is the 
> software that will be right for me.
> 
> My next question is about SSI. Do I have to be 18 to apply or can I 
> apply now? My 18th birthday is in December. I have been told by my mom 
> that it takes up to three months to get accepted.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Nesma
> 
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Oct  9 01:04:17 2016
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2016 20:04:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Scanning software and unrelated question.
In-Reply-To: <01e601d221bb$0ec2bcd0$2c483670$@gmail.com>
References: <01e601d221bb$0ec2bcd0$2c483670$@gmail.com>
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Kurzweil 3000 is primarily used by persons who have learning and 
reading disabilities, not blind or visually impaired persons.  It 
doesn't work well for us, Kurzweil 1000 is much better for this purpose.

Dave

p.s.  Anything with Social Security takes time, I would check with 
them, and get things started if you can.


At 06:24 PM 10/8/2016, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I am wondering what program people use in college to scan their materials? I
>have herd of curswile 3000 but not sure if that is the software that will be
>right for me.
>
>My next question is about SSI. Do I have to be 18 to apply or can I apply
>now? My 18th birthday is in December. I have been told by my mom that it
>takes up to three months to get accepted.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Nesma



From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  9 01:25:56 2016
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly)
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 21:25:56 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Scanning software and unrelated question.
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	<auto-000068004626@mailfront1.g2host.com>
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Ok thanks

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 8, 2016, at 21:04, David Andrews via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Kurzweil 3000 is primarily used by persons who have learning and reading disabilities, not blind or visually impaired persons.  It doesn't work well for us, Kurzweil 1000 is much better for this purpose.
> 
> Dave
> 
> p.s.  Anything with Social Security takes time, I would check with them, and get things started if you can.
> 
> 
> At 06:24 PM 10/8/2016, you wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I am wondering what program people use in college to scan their materials? I
>> have herd of curswile 3000 but not sure if that is the software that will be
>> right for me.
>> 
>> My next question is about SSI. Do I have to be 18 to apply or can I apply
>> now? My 18th birthday is in December. I have been told by my mom that it
>> takes up to three months to get accepted.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Nesma
> 
> 
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From Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu  Sun Oct  9 20:18:50 2016
From: Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte (Student))
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2016 20:18:50 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Communications committee meeting
Message-ID: <71913731-1729-4AE1-84FC-8F1B20E72E83@mainex1.asu.edu>

Greetings NABS,

Todays committee meeting will be at 7 pm eastern. The agenda is attached to this email and you can join the call by calling,

605-475-6700
the pass code is: 7869673#



Bryan Duarte software engineer
ASU Computer Science Ph.D Student
National Association of Blind Students | Board Member
Arizona Association of Blind Students | President
QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/

“let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.”
-- St. Teresa of Avila

-------------- next part --------------

Agenda for Communications Committee

Date: Sunday October 9, 2016

• Committee updates from Nezma
Are there any updates the NABS committee chairs needed from us?  Do you feel like this was helpful to the other committees?

• Trivia is going live!
We have questions for this month and we just need to discuss what date to post them and how they submit the answers
We need more questions

• Seek blog posts
Do we have nay friends who would have a good story or experience to share?
I have guidelines for blog posts

• Facebook and Twitter 
the future of how it should work
Twitter and Facebook should be two separate medias 
Shannon will manage one but someone else will have to manage the other

• There is a Tweet up coming up and we need to prepare
What is it and how do we get involved?

• Ideas or suggestions for how to provide good information to our members?

closing

From emitchell927 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  9 20:38:34 2016
From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2016 16:38:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Communications committee meeting
In-Reply-To: <71913731-1729-4AE1-84FC-8F1B20E72E83@mainex1.asu.edu>
References: <71913731-1729-4AE1-84FC-8F1B20E72E83@mainex1.asu.edu>
Message-ID: <979A4318-8A96-4978-9549-A9E7B5215201@gmail.com>

I will be there.
Emma Mitchell 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 9, 2016, at 4:18 PM, Bryan Duarte (Student) via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Greetings NABS,
> 
> Todays committee meeting will be at 7 pm eastern. The agenda is attached to this email and you can join the call by calling,
> 
> 605-475-6700
> the pass code is: 7869673#
> 
> 
> 
> Bryan Duarte software engineer
> ASU Computer Science Ph.D Student
> National Association of Blind Students | Board Member
> Arizona Association of Blind Students | President
> QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/
> 
> “let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.”
> -- St. Teresa of Avila
> 
> <Communications agenda October 9.txt>
> _______________________________________________
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From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  9 20:46:24 2016
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (Nesma Aly)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2016 16:46:24 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Communications committee meeting
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References: <71913731-1729-4AE1-84FC-8F1B20E72E83@mainex1.asu.edu>
	<979A4318-8A96-4978-9549-A9E7B5215201@gmail.com>
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Ok thanks! See you all at seven!

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Emma Mitchell via NABS-L
Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2016 4:39 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Emma Mitchell
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Communications committee meeting

I will be there.
Emma Mitchell 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 9, 2016, at 4:18 PM, Bryan Duarte (Student) via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Greetings NABS,
> 
> Todays committee meeting will be at 7 pm eastern. The agenda is 
> attached to this email and you can join the call by calling,
> 
> 605-475-6700
> the pass code is: 7869673#
> 
> 
> 
> Bryan Duarte software engineer
> ASU Computer Science Ph.D Student
> National Association of Blind Students | Board Member Arizona 
> Association of Blind Students | President QwikEyes CEO 
> http://www.qwikeyes.com/
> 
> “let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.”
> -- St. Teresa of Avila
> 
> <Communications agenda October 9.txt>
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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  9 22:31:12 2016
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2016 18:31:12 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about podcast apps for new braillenote
Message-ID: <57fac534.0f9a6b0a.23a4.1723@mx.google.com>

Hi,
I really enjoy listening to podcasts.
I'm looking for an accessible app that will work across Android, ios and mac.
I require the following features:
1. OPML import/export
2. ability to play video podcasts
3. sync across the range of devices listed above.
Does anyone know of an app I could try that meets this criteria?
Thanks,
Jessica

From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 10 00:08:01 2016
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2016 20:08:01 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Readers
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Hi Vejas,

Based on my university disability services experiences thus far, here
is what I think.  You should be able to request the book in a format
that is accessible to you.  If they only are offering you PDFs which,
let's face it, aren't the most accessible thing out there, they should
at least offer you the option of getting your books in word or plain
text format.  My university allows students to choose between these
three formats for print materials, with the recommendation being that
PDF documents be used by students with learning disabilities since
they preserve the format the best, and that screenreader users use
either word or plain text.  If they give you a book in a format that
isn't working due to accessibility problems for you, you should be
able to ask them to change it so it is accessible.  In any case, they
should be proofreading the materials.  I don't personally mind a typo
here or there, but if there are tons of typos I do ask the disability
services to review the book and make corrections.  If they are
hurrying through it to get the book done quickly you can also ask them
to just give you the first few chapters so they can focus on doing
those well, then work on later chapters ahead of time as the semester
progresses.  AS long as they have a copy of your syllabi they should
be able to do this, and it hasn't been an issue when they've needed to
give me my books in chunks before.

For readers, one thing I'd recommend is asking to meet with the
potential hire during the hiring process if the disability services
office helps you find a reader.  I know at least at my university we
have a lot of foreign students who go for the jobs in learning
services, but that can sometimes cause issues due to language
barriers.  I'm not advocating that you resist working with a foreign
student, just make sure you can understand them and they have a fairly
fluent knowledge of the English language and the words they might
encounter in the readings.  I had some issues with a DSO-hired lab
assistant from Saudi Arabia, and although he was really helpful and
did his best most of the time the language differences made
communicating about anatomy terminology difficult because he wasn't
fully confident in English, let alone with latin terms that were also
new to me that I needed to learn propper pronunciations for.

Other than that, I'd definitely also make sure the person you
eventually work with is okay with you recording them.  It's nice to
have lectures on file, but you would definitely want to make sure
they're okay and give consent as recording someone without their
knowledge or approval isn't fair (or technically legal and some people
are very uptight about that).  I don't see why you couldn't take notes
as the reader reads to you like you would during a lecture with a
professor in class, but you should always feel free to ask readers for
spellings of unfamiliar words, for information in footnotes, etc.
HTH.

On 10/8/16, LaKeria Taylor via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Actually, I would take the book back and make them fix it everytime it
> has errors. It is their job. I would not use a reader just to read a
> book unless it was completely visual, which one of the stories in my
> literature book is.
>
> On 10/8/16, David Andrews via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> If you are going to use a human reader then use the book itself. The
>> only reason to scan a book is to produce an electronic copy. And yes,
>> hopefully that copy is accurate.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> At 08:24 PM 10/6/2016, you wrote:
>>>Hi All,
>>>I was wondering if any of you have used readers to read a chapter
>>>from a textbook, and how exactly you would go about this process.
>>>Although I have the textbook I need, it has been scanned by
>>>Disability Services and there are tons of errors, making some parts
>>>confusing to read.
>>>Do you just tell the reader when to stop so that you can take notes
>>>on a particular topic?
>>>Would it be appropriate to ask my disability services office to
>>>check for spelling/accuracy, or is that not really their place?
>>>Thanks,
>>>Vejas
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
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-- 
Kaiti Shelton


From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Mon Oct 10 01:24:30 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2016 18:24:30 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Readers
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FbF-joygZ8veHTRZDe5_6UOhPXn-ifiFwnXQ+_LD5uH=g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BFE9A70B-A129-4C14-A559-B6AD4D7C99EC@gmail.com>
	<auto-000067368530@mailfront2.g2host.com>
	<CADPHSh_rhG5x+zYL4S7cUyKNSM9ob=4ZQhz0UFZ0c40jZkjR-Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFja7FbF-joygZ8veHTRZDe5_6UOhPXn-ifiFwnXQ+_LD5uH=g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6A5C3DBF-B7A6-44AD-B203-4A45049999D5@gmail.com>

Thank you so much for this information.
A couple more questions for Kaiti or anyone else. My DSS seems to be very firm about PDF's, but I will talk to them and I know  I am only their second blind student, so they are just going off of what he said. I like the idea of Word or Plain Text, do you know if any particular  software is required for them to do this? Also is there a particular law  that allows me to have books in any format that I can use in case there is resistance?
Vejas 

> On Oct 9, 2016, at 17:08, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Vejas,
> 
> Based on my university disability services experiences thus far, here
> is what I think.  You should be able to request the book in a format
> that is accessible to you.  If they only are offering you PDFs which,
> let's face it, aren't the most accessible thing out there, they should
> at least offer you the option of getting your books in word or plain
> text format.  My university allows students to choose between these
> three formats for print materials, with the recommendation being that
> PDF documents be used by students with learning disabilities since
> they preserve the format the best, and that screenreader users use
> either word or plain text.  If they give you a book in a format that
> isn't working due to accessibility problems for you, you should be
> able to ask them to change it so it is accessible.  In any case, they
> should be proofreading the materials.  I don't personally mind a typo
> here or there, but if there are tons of typos I do ask the disability
> services to review the book and make corrections.  If they are
> hurrying through it to get the book done quickly you can also ask them
> to just give you the first few chapters so they can focus on doing
> those well, then work on later chapters ahead of time as the semester
> progresses.  AS long as they have a copy of your syllabi they should
> be able to do this, and it hasn't been an issue when they've needed to
> give me my books in chunks before.
> 
> For readers, one thing I'd recommend is asking to meet with the
> potential hire during the hiring process if the disability services
> office helps you find a reader.  I know at least at my university we
> have a lot of foreign students who go for the jobs in learning
> services, but that can sometimes cause issues due to language
> barriers.  I'm not advocating that you resist working with a foreign
> student, just make sure you can understand them and they have a fairly
> fluent knowledge of the English language and the words they might
> encounter in the readings.  I had some issues with a DSO-hired lab
> assistant from Saudi Arabia, and although he was really helpful and
> did his best most of the time the language differences made
> communicating about anatomy terminology difficult because he wasn't
> fully confident in English, let alone with latin terms that were also
> new to me that I needed to learn propper pronunciations for.
> 
> Other than that, I'd definitely also make sure the person you
> eventually work with is okay with you recording them.  It's nice to
> have lectures on file, but you would definitely want to make sure
> they're okay and give consent as recording someone without their
> knowledge or approval isn't fair (or technically legal and some people
> are very uptight about that).  I don't see why you couldn't take notes
> as the reader reads to you like you would during a lecture with a
> professor in class, but you should always feel free to ask readers for
> spellings of unfamiliar words, for information in footnotes, etc.
> HTH.
> 
>> On 10/8/16, LaKeria Taylor via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Actually, I would take the book back and make them fix it everytime it
>> has errors. It is their job. I would not use a reader just to read a
>> book unless it was completely visual, which one of the stories in my
>> literature book is.
>> 
>>> On 10/8/16, David Andrews via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> If you are going to use a human reader then use the book itself. The
>>> only reason to scan a book is to produce an electronic copy. And yes,
>>> hopefully that copy is accurate.
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> At 08:24 PM 10/6/2016, you wrote:
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> I was wondering if any of you have used readers to read a chapter
>>>> from a textbook, and how exactly you would go about this process.
>>>> Although I have the textbook I need, it has been scanned by
>>>> Disability Services and there are tons of errors, making some parts
>>>> confusing to read.
>>>> Do you just tell the reader when to stop so that you can take notes
>>>> on a particular topic?
>>>> Would it be appropriate to ask my disability services office to
>>>> check for spelling/accuracy, or is that not really their place?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Vejas
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> NABS-L:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lakeria2009%40gmail.com
>>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Kaiti Shelton
> 
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From jameyanne at gmail.com  Mon Oct 10 02:14:55 2016
From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2016 22:14:55 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] question about quotation marks in word
Message-ID: <001d01d2229c$18146cc0$483d4640$@gmail.com>

Hello all,

I'm writing a novel in MS Word, and a sighted friend just pointed out that
whenever I have an m-dash followed by a quotation mark, like when a speaker
is cut off midsentence, word changes the quotation mark from a right
quotation mark to a left quotation mark. So my question is this: Is there a
way to have JAWS tell me which direction a quotation mark is pointing so I
can fix this? And also is there an easy way to change the direction of the
quotation mark/prevent word from flipping it?

Thanks for your help!

Jameyanne


From lakeria2009 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 10 03:15:49 2016
From: lakeria2009 at gmail.com (LaKeria Taylor)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2016 22:15:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Readers
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	<CADPHSh_rhG5x+zYL4S7cUyKNSM9ob=4ZQhz0UFZ0c40jZkjR-Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFja7FbF-joygZ8veHTRZDe5_6UOhPXn-ifiFwnXQ+_LD5uH=g@mail.gmail.com>
	<6A5C3DBF-B7A6-44AD-B203-4A45049999D5@gmail.com>
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Yes, you should have the option to get the book in word if you  would
prefer it that way. Just because Tom may prefer pdf's doesn't mean
that you have too. They just have to break it down for JAWS purposes.

On 10/9/16, Vejas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Thank you so much for this information.
> A couple more questions for Kaiti or anyone else. My DSS seems to be very
> firm about PDF's, but I will talk to them and I know  I am only their second
> blind student, so they are just going off of what he said. I like the idea
> of Word or Plain Text, do you know if any particular  software is required
> for them to do this? Also is there a particular law  that allows me to have
> books in any format that I can use in case there is resistance?
> Vejas
>
>> On Oct 9, 2016, at 17:08, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Vejas,
>>
>> Based on my university disability services experiences thus far, here
>> is what I think.  You should be able to request the book in a format
>> that is accessible to you.  If they only are offering you PDFs which,
>> let's face it, aren't the most accessible thing out there, they should
>> at least offer you the option of getting your books in word or plain
>> text format.  My university allows students to choose between these
>> three formats for print materials, with the recommendation being that
>> PDF documents be used by students with learning disabilities since
>> they preserve the format the best, and that screenreader users use
>> either word or plain text.  If they give you a book in a format that
>> isn't working due to accessibility problems for you, you should be
>> able to ask them to change it so it is accessible.  In any case, they
>> should be proofreading the materials.  I don't personally mind a typo
>> here or there, but if there are tons of typos I do ask the disability
>> services to review the book and make corrections.  If they are
>> hurrying through it to get the book done quickly you can also ask them
>> to just give you the first few chapters so they can focus on doing
>> those well, then work on later chapters ahead of time as the semester
>> progresses.  AS long as they have a copy of your syllabi they should
>> be able to do this, and it hasn't been an issue when they've needed to
>> give me my books in chunks before.
>>
>> For readers, one thing I'd recommend is asking to meet with the
>> potential hire during the hiring process if the disability services
>> office helps you find a reader.  I know at least at my university we
>> have a lot of foreign students who go for the jobs in learning
>> services, but that can sometimes cause issues due to language
>> barriers.  I'm not advocating that you resist working with a foreign
>> student, just make sure you can understand them and they have a fairly
>> fluent knowledge of the English language and the words they might
>> encounter in the readings.  I had some issues with a DSO-hired lab
>> assistant from Saudi Arabia, and although he was really helpful and
>> did his best most of the time the language differences made
>> communicating about anatomy terminology difficult because he wasn't
>> fully confident in English, let alone with latin terms that were also
>> new to me that I needed to learn propper pronunciations for.
>>
>> Other than that, I'd definitely also make sure the person you
>> eventually work with is okay with you recording them.  It's nice to
>> have lectures on file, but you would definitely want to make sure
>> they're okay and give consent as recording someone without their
>> knowledge or approval isn't fair (or technically legal and some people
>> are very uptight about that).  I don't see why you couldn't take notes
>> as the reader reads to you like you would during a lecture with a
>> professor in class, but you should always feel free to ask readers for
>> spellings of unfamiliar words, for information in footnotes, etc.
>> HTH.
>>
>>> On 10/8/16, LaKeria Taylor via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Actually, I would take the book back and make them fix it everytime it
>>> has errors. It is their job. I would not use a reader just to read a
>>> book unless it was completely visual, which one of the stories in my
>>> literature book is.
>>>
>>>> On 10/8/16, David Andrews via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> If you are going to use a human reader then use the book itself. The
>>>> only reason to scan a book is to produce an electronic copy. And yes,
>>>> hopefully that copy is accurate.
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> At 08:24 PM 10/6/2016, you wrote:
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>> I was wondering if any of you have used readers to read a chapter
>>>>> from a textbook, and how exactly you would go about this process.
>>>>> Although I have the textbook I need, it has been scanned by
>>>>> Disability Services and there are tons of errors, making some parts
>>>>> confusing to read.
>>>>> Do you just tell the reader when to stop so that you can take notes
>>>>> on a particular topic?
>>>>> Would it be appropriate to ask my disability services office to
>>>>> check for spelling/accuracy, or is that not really their place?
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Vejas
>>>>
>>>>
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>> --
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From Amason at nfb.org  Mon Oct 10 13:50:10 2016
From: Amason at nfb.org (Mason, Amy)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 13:50:10 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] question about quotation marks in word
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You might want to try the Microsoft Disability Answer Desk. The phone number is 1 800  936 5900  Good luck. 


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Subject: [nabs-l] question about quotation marks in word

Hello all,

I'm writing a novel in MS Word, and a sighted friend just pointed out that whenever I have an m-dash followed by a quotation mark, like when a speaker is cut off midsentence, word changes the quotation mark from a right quotation mark to a left quotation mark. So my question is this: Is there a way to have JAWS tell me which direction a quotation mark is pointing so I can fix this? And also is there an easy way to change the direction of the quotation mark/prevent word from flipping it?

Thanks for your help!

Jameyanne

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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 10 15:52:27 2016
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 11:52:27 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] How to create and edit spreadsheets on BN touch?
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Hi,
I need to create and edit spreadsheets.
How can I easily and quickly do this using only my touch?
Thanks,
Jessica

From cricketbidleman at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 02:15:12 2016
From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 19:15:12 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] UC Berkeley
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Hello All,

Have any of you attended UC Berkeley? I'm applying to them right now,
and I would love to get perspectives from blind people who have gone.
Other schools on my list are Stanford, UC Santa Cruz, UC San Diego,
Harvard, and Yale, so if anyone has gone to any of those, let me know.
Thanks so much!

-- 
Best,
Cricket X. Bidleman
California Association of Blind Students, Webmaster
NCS Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant
Morro Bay High School Academic Enrichment Program (AEP), President


From lucysirianni at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 02:25:56 2016
From: lucysirianni at gmail.com (Lucy Sirianni)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 21:25:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] UC Berkeley
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Hi Cricket,

I'm a grad student in the English department at UC Berkeley, as you
might remember, and I'd be happy to answer questions any time by
email, Facebook, or phone (or in person if you happen to live in the
area). I'm in my sixth year in the English Ph.D. program and have also
been teaching undergrad courses for most of that time.

Congratulations on applying to such a great list of schools, and feel
free to be in touch any time!

Lucy

On 10/10/16, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> Have any of you attended UC Berkeley? I'm applying to them right now,
> and I would love to get perspectives from blind people who have gone.
> Other schools on my list are Stanford, UC Santa Cruz, UC San Diego,
> Harvard, and Yale, so if anyone has gone to any of those, let me know.
> Thanks so much!
>
> --
> Best,
> Cricket X. Bidleman
> California Association of Blind Students, Webmaster
> NCS Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant
> Morro Bay High School Academic Enrichment Program (AEP), President
>
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From cricketbidleman at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 02:48:35 2016
From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 19:48:35 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] UC Berkeley
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Hi Lucy,

Thanks so much. Mainly, I'm wondering how good the disabilities
program is there, what campus life is like, etc. Just anything you
might be able to tell me about your experience.

On 10/10/16, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Cricket,
>
> I'm a grad student in the English department at UC Berkeley, as you
> might remember, and I'd be happy to answer questions any time by
> email, Facebook, or phone (or in person if you happen to live in the
> area). I'm in my sixth year in the English Ph.D. program and have also
> been teaching undergrad courses for most of that time.
>
> Congratulations on applying to such a great list of schools, and feel
> free to be in touch any time!
>
> Lucy
>
> On 10/10/16, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello All,
>>
>> Have any of you attended UC Berkeley? I'm applying to them right now,
>> and I would love to get perspectives from blind people who have gone.
>> Other schools on my list are Stanford, UC Santa Cruz, UC San Diego,
>> Harvard, and Yale, so if anyone has gone to any of those, let me know.
>> Thanks so much!
>>
>> --
>> Best,
>> Cricket X. Bidleman
>> California Association of Blind Students, Webmaster
>> NCS Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant
>> Morro Bay High School Academic Enrichment Program (AEP), President
>>
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California Association of Blind Students, Webmaster
NCS Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant
Morro Bay High School Academic Enrichment Program (AEP), President


From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 11 02:52:16 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 22:52:16 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Readers
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Hope,
Great advice. I'd advocate for dss  office to check their copy before 
handing it to Vejas. But they may or may not do it or take forever to return 
a cleaner copy.
Meanwhile readers are good idea. II' usually record my readers so I can take 
further notes later.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Hope Paulos via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2016 9:44 PM
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Cc: Hope Paulos
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about Readers

They should be checking for spelling/accuracy. As far as having a reader
read chapters in the book, I'd try and set up some time each week to have
them read the chapters. You can ask them to stop at a particular point so
you can take notes but you can also record the reading. This way, you can go
back and re-read the chapters for tests and more in-depth note-taking.
I hope this is helpful.

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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about Readers

I've never used a reader so can't answer your first questions, but I feel
like you could say to Your disabilities service office that you're having a
problem because there are lots of errors in the scanned book and is there
anything they can do to reduce those errors. Honestly they should have
someone proofreading.

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Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Readers

Hi All,
I was wondering if any of you have used readers to read a chapter from a
textbook, and how exactly you would go about this process.
Although I have the textbook I need, it has been scanned by Disability
Services and there are tons of errors, making some parts confusing to read.
Do you just tell the reader when to stop so that you can take notes on a
particular topic?
Would it be appropriate to ask my disability services office to check for
spelling/accuracy, or is that not really their place?
Thanks,
Vejas
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 11 02:54:05 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 22:54:05 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Readers
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I've had the same issue reading pdfs and that's one reason   why I hate 
them.
Try to get Word files next time.

Ashley

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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about Readers

Thanks, both of you.  I think I will ask for DSS to spell-check, I did not 
know that that they could do this.
Another issue I am having with these PDF's, which may be a separate issue, 
is that there are occasionally blocks of text which are interrupted by 
another completely unrelated block of text, then will jump back to the 
original block of text if that makes any sense. I don't know if this is 
because it is  a table, or why this happens, I wonder if this issue can be 
avoided by saving it in a word format?
Thanks,
Vejas

> On Oct 6, 2016, at 18:44, Hope Paulos via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
> wrote:
>
> They should be checking for spelling/accuracy. As far as having a reader
> read chapters in the book, I'd try and set up some time each week to have
> them read the chapters. You can ask them to stop at a particular point so
> you can take notes but you can also record the reading. This way, you can 
> go
> back and re-read the chapters for tests and more in-depth note-taking.
> I hope this is helpful.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jameyanne
> Fuller via NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2016 9:33 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Cc: Jameyanne Fuller
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about Readers
>
> I've never used a reader so can't answer your first questions, but I feel
> like you could say to Your disabilities service office that you're having 
> a
> problem because there are lots of errors in the scanned book and is there
> anything they can do to reduce those errors. Honestly they should have
> someone proofreading.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas via
> NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:25 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Vejas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Readers
>
> Hi All,
> I was wondering if any of you have used readers to read a chapter from a
> textbook, and how exactly you would go about this process.
> Although I have the textbook I need, it has been scanned by Disability
> Services and there are tons of errors, making some parts confusing to 
> read.
> Do you just tell the reader when to stop so that you can take notes on a
> particular topic?
> Would it be appropriate to ask my disability services office to check for
> spelling/accuracy, or is that not really their place?
> Thanks,
> Vejas
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 11 03:04:38 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 23:04:38 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Readers
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Emma,

Most schools do not provide readers and scribes for outside work which is 
what Vejas needs.
Does your school provide the readers just for tests and in class 
assignments?
If they provide readers to access other reading such as homework textbook 
assignments or library research, how many hours do they give you for this 
out of class time?
Wow, if they provide readers like this, I might consider that one for grad 
school.  I've always had to hire my own readers.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about Readers

Hi,
I use readers and scribes all the time. I would set up a meeting with your 
disability office to discuss what is needed and get the service in place.
Emma

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 6, 2016, at 9:24 PM, Vejas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
> I was wondering if any of you have used readers to read a chapter from a 
> textbook, and how exactly you would go about this process.
> Although I have the textbook I need, it has been scanned by Disability 
> Services and there are tons of errors, making some parts confusing to 
> read.
> Do you just tell the reader when to stop so that you can take notes on a 
> particular topic?
> Would it be appropriate to ask my disability services office to check for 
> spelling/accuracy, or is that not really their place?
> Thanks,
> Vejas
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 11 03:19:04 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 23:19:04 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Ocular Migraines
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Kaiti,

Your headaches sound like something medical going on. Its probably to do 
with your shunt.
I am sure you would not strain your eyes constantly to cause headaches when 
you have some nonvisual techniques mastered. I think you read braille 
already and use jaws.

I don't know what to suggest. I hope your doctors can  treat your headaches 
and get  rid of them quickly.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2016 2:29 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Kaiti Shelton
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Ocular Migraines

Hi Justin and all,

I believe these are different from eyestrain headaches, which I have some
experience with as well. I used to get those quite frequently as a young
child when I was being taught to read print instead of braille, but as you
mentioned they went away after I stopped heavily straining my eyes.
Occasionally, when I do   something that is especially straining I will get
them again, but these headaches are very different. They often just happen
randomly and for no reason at all. I can be sitting at the kitchen table
eating dinner with my family and my vision will suddenly cut out. It's also
happened when I've been  just walking around my house or outside, or
sitting in class. Unless there is a way to turn the vision I have off even
when I'm not using it for visually straining tasks, I don't think that it
makes much of a difference.  I do primarily do things in a non-visual way,
I know there are some tasks I do use a combination of non-visual skills and
my vision for, but I wouldn't say that I rely on it  or milk it for all it
is worth because those eyestrain headaches have taught me not to do that
when I don't have to and can rely on nonvisual skills I have been taught.
These are different, though, in how they feel in my head and in the
conditions that cause them.

I'm not dismissing your suggestion that I should go to a training center,
but it is not the best thing for me at this time. I am about to enter the
internship phase of my education which is required for me to take the board
certification exam. I think there are some valuable lessons to be learned
at training centers, but timing is different for everyone and some of the
finest   Leaders in our Nfb have not been rehabilitated at all.   so I'm
not taking it completely off the table, but it's not in the cards for me in
the foreseeable future as I work to complete my undergraduate requirements
and get into the workforce.

I also have another theory that these headaches could be caused by my
shunt breaking down. I know that the  Dura mattar  covering the shunt is
wearing thin and was told this summer that within the next 2 to 5 years it
will need to be replaced. Some list members have been writing to me
directly and have given me some more information that I didn't get from my
doctors about these types of migraines,   But I'm still trying to figure
out if there is a link between the breakdown of the covering over the shunt
and them or not.

On Wednesday, October 5, 2016, Justin Salisbury via NABS-L <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi Kaiti,
>
> I have a lot of those same things you have: a shunt, glaucoma damage to
> optic nerves, etc. I used to get tons of really bad headaches, too. This, 
> I
> am proud to say, is almost completely a past-tense kind of thing now. The
> thing that made the biggest difference for me wasn't really a medical
> intervention, surprisingly.
>
> For eight years of my life, I was a blind person who depended heavily on
> my residual vision. It caused a lot of strain on my eyes, my neck, and my
> back. I was always juicing my vision for everything it was worth, and I
> kept getting by.
>
> Then, I went to training at the Louisiana Center for the Blind. Under
> sleep shades for 9 months, I learned how to do things non-visually, but I
> also learned to trust myself to use the non-visual techniques and got over
> the discomfort of sighted people noticing that I was doing things
> differently from them. As these things all happened symbiotically, I 
> became
> more and more efficient with nonvisual techniques. After I hit the point 
> of
> about 6 months into training, I started to realize that I wasn't paying
> attention to my vision so much anymore. When the sleep shades weren't on, 
> I
> was still using those nonvisual techniques, which were now more efficient
> than the old visual ones. Since I was almost never using my eyes, this 
> took
> all the strain off of them, as well as my neck and back. I experienced a
> decrease in my headaches, and I even found that my vision got a little bit
> better because my eyes finally had a break.
>
> I have heard your name a lot over the past few years, but I don't know if
> I've heard of a training center attached to your name. If you haven't gone
> to one of the six Structured Discovery training centers, it might really
> help you out like it did for me.
>
> Take care,
>
> Justin
>
> Justin M. Salisbury, MA, NOMC, NCRTB, NCUEB
> Opportunity Ambassador
> National Federation of the Blind
> Email: President at Alumni.ECU.edu <javascript:;>
> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justin-salisbury
>
> "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire."
>
> William Butler Yeats
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>] On Behalf
> Of Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L
> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 8:27 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> <javascript:;>>
> Cc: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Ocular Migraines
>
> Hi all,
>
> Sorry for this being slightly off-topic, but I wasn't sure of any other
> way to ask for information on it.
>
> I've had some pretty bad headaches since my early teen years, but every
> time I brought it up to my pediatrician (who is really good and who
> otherwise I really like), she made it sound like they weren't frequent or
> severe enough to cause major concern.  There was talk of sending me to a
> neurologist at one point, but she never went through with it and wanted me
> to rule out the possibility that the headaches were sinus-related first,
> which I have done.  While I do get sinus headaches, especially in the
> Spring, I can usually tell the difference between them and my other
> headaches by how they feel.  Further, these other headaches are usually
> there for several hours and aren't responsive to ibuprofen or Tylenol, and
> typically knock me out or leave me feeling lethargic afterwards.
>
> Within the past year I started having instances where the vision in the
> eye that has some sight would cut out for a second or two, then come back.
> This usually happened before or after a migraine headache, but sometimes 
> it
> happens for no good reason at all.  I do know that the shunt used to keep
> my Glaucoma in check is starting to wear down and will need to be replaced
> in the next several years, but when I told my retina specialist about 
> these
> issues he was pretty confident that the visual disturbances I was having
> are caused by ocular migraines either in my eye or near the optic nerve. 
> I
> also see a Glaucoma specialist, and he noted around the same time I talked
> to my retina doc that everything looked as stable as it can be aside from
> the shunt he put in, but I read that ocular migraines are also experienced
> by 2/3s of Glaucoma patients who have taken some damage to their optic
> nerves as I have.
>
> I'm wondering if anyone else has ocular migraines and might have more
> information than I do.  I've been reading up on them, but obviously I'm a
> bit hesitant to take everything I read on Web MD or from the Mayo Clinic
> archives as something that's happening to me.  Again, I know this isn't
> academic-related and am sorry for veering off-course, but any information
> would be great.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Kaiti Shelton
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 11 03:24:38 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 23:24:38 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Readers
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but some offices won't or some take too long to get the book back to you.
The semester is only 16 weeks. I think vejas should use a reader for that 
chapter.

-----Original Message----- 
From: LaKeria Taylor via NABS-L
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2016 2:29 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: LaKeria Taylor
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about Readers

Actually, I would take the book back and make them fix it everytime it
has errors. It is their job. I would not use a reader just to read a
book unless it was completely visual, which one of the stories in my
literature book is.

On 10/8/16, David Andrews via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> If you are going to use a human reader then use the book itself. The
> only reason to scan a book is to produce an electronic copy. And yes,
> hopefully that copy is accurate.
>
> Dave
>
> At 08:24 PM 10/6/2016, you wrote:
>>Hi All,
>>I was wondering if any of you have used readers to read a chapter
>>from a textbook, and how exactly you would go about this process.
>>Although I have the textbook I need, it has been scanned by
>>Disability Services and there are tons of errors, making some parts
>>confusing to read.
>>Do you just tell the reader when to stop so that you can take notes
>>on a particular topic?
>>Would it be appropriate to ask my disability services office to
>>check for spelling/accuracy, or is that not really their place?
>>Thanks,
>>Vejas
>
>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 11 03:45:03 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 23:45:03 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Readers
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Vejas,
Yes, there is software required to convert from PDF to word.
Not all schools will have this. The software is adobe professional.

I believe other professional software can convert to Word, but adobe 
professional should do it.
Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Vejas via NABS-L
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2016 9:24 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Vejas
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about Readers

Thank you so much for this information.
A couple more questions for Kaiti or anyone else. My DSS seems to be very 
firm about PDF's, but I will talk to them and I know  I am only their second 
blind student, so they are just going off of what he said. I like the idea 
of Word or Plain Text, do you know if any particular  software is required 
for them to do this? Also is there a particular law  that allows me to have 
books in any format that I can use in case there is resistance?
Vejas

> On Oct 9, 2016, at 17:08, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Vejas,
>
> Based on my university disability services experiences thus far, here
> is what I think.  You should be able to request the book in a format
> that is accessible to you.  If they only are offering you PDFs which,
> let's face it, aren't the most accessible thing out there, they should
> at least offer you the option of getting your books in word or plain
> text format.  My university allows students to choose between these
> three formats for print materials, with the recommendation being that
> PDF documents be used by students with learning disabilities since
> they preserve the format the best, and that screenreader users use
> either word or plain text.  If they give you a book in a format that
> isn't working due to accessibility problems for you, you should be
> able to ask them to change it so it is accessible.  In any case, they
> should be proofreading the materials.  I don't personally mind a typo
> here or there, but if there are tons of typos I do ask the disability
> services to review the book and make corrections.  If they are
> hurrying through it to get the book done quickly you can also ask them
> to just give you the first few chapters so they can focus on doing
> those well, then work on later chapters ahead of time as the semester
> progresses.  AS long as they have a copy of your syllabi they should
> be able to do this, and it hasn't been an issue when they've needed to
> give me my books in chunks before.
>
> For readers, one thing I'd recommend is asking to meet with the
> potential hire during the hiring process if the disability services
> office helps you find a reader.  I know at least at my university we
> have a lot of foreign students who go for the jobs in learning
> services, but that can sometimes cause issues due to language
> barriers.  I'm not advocating that you resist working with a foreign
> student, just make sure you can understand them and they have a fairly
> fluent knowledge of the English language and the words they might
> encounter in the readings.  I had some issues with a DSO-hired lab
> assistant from Saudi Arabia, and although he was really helpful and
> did his best most of the time the language differences made
> communicating about anatomy terminology difficult because he wasn't
> fully confident in English, let alone with latin terms that were also
> new to me that I needed to learn propper pronunciations for.
>
> Other than that, I'd definitely also make sure the person you
> eventually work with is okay with you recording them.  It's nice to
> have lectures on file, but you would definitely want to make sure
> they're okay and give consent as recording someone without their
> knowledge or approval isn't fair (or technically legal and some people
> are very uptight about that).  I don't see why you couldn't take notes
> as the reader reads to you like you would during a lecture with a
> professor in class, but you should always feel free to ask readers for
> spellings of unfamiliar words, for information in footnotes, etc.
> HTH.
>
>> On 10/8/16, LaKeria Taylor via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Actually, I would take the book back and make them fix it everytime it
>> has errors. It is their job. I would not use a reader just to read a
>> book unless it was completely visual, which one of the stories in my
>> literature book is.
>>
>>> On 10/8/16, David Andrews via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> If you are going to use a human reader then use the book itself. The
>>> only reason to scan a book is to produce an electronic copy. And yes,
>>> hopefully that copy is accurate.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> At 08:24 PM 10/6/2016, you wrote:
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> I was wondering if any of you have used readers to read a chapter
>>>> from a textbook, and how exactly you would go about this process.
>>>> Although I have the textbook I need, it has been scanned by
>>>> Disability Services and there are tons of errors, making some parts
>>>> confusing to read.
>>>> Do you just tell the reader when to stop so that you can take notes
>>>> on a particular topic?
>>>> Would it be appropriate to ask my disability services office to
>>>> check for spelling/accuracy, or is that not really their place?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Vejas
>>>
>>>
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From kskristen at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 15:04:39 2016
From: kskristen at gmail.com (Kristen)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:04:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Notepad for Apex and iPhone
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Hey, everyone!

I am looking for an accessible notepad platform that has both an 
app and a Web version, so I can read/edit simple notes on my 
iPhone and Apex. I tried inkpadnotepad.com, as that was one of 
the first results in the App Store for "notepad," but it didn't 
seem to be accessible on the Apex. Maybe I missed something? Or, 
any other suggestions?

Thanks in advance!
--
Kristen


From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 15:13:41 2016
From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:13:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Notepad for Apex and iPhone
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You can try using Microsoft Word

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 11, 2016, at 10:04 AM, Kristen via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey, everyone!
> 
> I am looking for an accessible notepad platform that has both an app and a Web version, so I can read/edit simple notes on my iPhone and Apex. I tried inkpadnotepad.com, as that was one of the first results in the App Store for "notepad," but it didn't seem to be accessible on the Apex. Maybe I missed something? Or, any other suggestions?
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> --
> Kristen
> 
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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 15:36:28 2016
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 11:36:28 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] I think the tutorial on my BN touch may have become corrupt
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Hi
I'm trying to figure out how to get the tutorial that comes preloaded on the braillenote touch, to play in VLC.
When I opened the tutorial in Victor reader, it won't play.
Is there a way to fix this, and if so, how?
Thanks,
Jessica

From awildheir at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 18:02:16 2016
From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 14:02:16 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Apple Watch
Message-ID: <05E71148-903B-4B0D-9745-555836292A3F@gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

I was thinking about adding an Apple Watch to my bag of tricks.  Has anyone used the Apple Watch to assist in your practice in any way?  If so, could you please shed some light on how useful you have found it to be?  I'm excited to hear the different ways an Apple Watch can be used especially for time management tasks such as scheduling appointments, making lists, reminders, or any other functions you have found useful in being more efficient. Also, there is the question of which size.  If you have some vision, does the additional 4mm make a difference? 


Warm regards,
Aimee

Sent from my iPhone

From jldail13 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 18:11:31 2016
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 14:11:31 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Apple Watch
Message-ID: <57fd2b55.0c1e6b0a.828fd.6f76@mx.google.com>

Hi,
I have the first generation AppleWatch. 
I really enjoy using it.
I'm running watch OS 3 on it.

A few things to keep in mind:
1. Be careful when turning your watch off, if you ever need to do so. If you're running watch OS 3, you could call emergency without knowing.
2. 
If you want the best battery life possible, go with the 42MM.
Thanks,
Jessica

On Oct 11, 2016 2:02 PM, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone, 
>
> I was thinking about adding an Apple Watch to my bag of tricks.  Has anyone used the Apple Watch to assist in your practice in any way?  If so, could you please shed some light on how useful you have found it to be?  I'm excited to hear the different ways an Apple Watch can be used especially for time management tasks such as scheduling appointments, making lists, reminders, or any other functions you have found useful in being more efficient. Also, there is the question of which size.  If you have some vision, does the additional 4mm make a difference? 
>
>
> Warm regards, 
> Aimee 
>
> Sent from my iPhone 
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From chris.omeally at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 20:21:15 2016
From: chris.omeally at gmail.com (Christopher O'meally)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 16:21:15 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Apple Watch
In-Reply-To: <57fd2b55.0c1e6b0a.828fd.6f76@mx.google.com>
References: <57fd2b55.0c1e6b0a.828fd.6f76@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CACOe-GWFzjjDpaQYcWcXNCriHO=09Xi1PgVE2XJ90q4aKsHceg@mail.gmail.com>

to tell you the truth, as far as the size, it doesn't matter all that
much unless you can see enough to read large print or something.  But
I like it because it actually gives me better battery  life on my
phone, as it taps me for notifications instead of my phone alerting me
every time I get something.  I can use it to filter information, so
for example at work, I only want to see messages and reminders.  Well
if that's all I want my watch to show me, that is all it shows me.
Being a dog user, I found the dark sky watch app to be helpful, as my
watch would tap me before it starts raining, and again when its about
to stop.  Being able to just lift your arm, say hey siri, and tell it
to remind me to call someone back after I finish doing what I am doing
is nice.  Its mor to make little things fast, so you are not glued to
your phone all the time.  GPS is nice on it too.  Getting taps instead
of voice directions can help in loud situations when traveling, the
list goes on.  Feel free to ask any questions, I will be glad to
answer them.

On 10/11/16, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> I have the first generation AppleWatch.
> I really enjoy using it.
> I'm running watch OS 3 on it.
>
> A few things to keep in mind:
> 1. Be careful when turning your watch off, if you ever need to do so. If
> you're running watch OS 3, you could call emergency without knowing.
> 2.
> If you want the best battery life possible, go with the 42MM.
> Thanks,
> Jessica
>
> On Oct 11, 2016 2:02 PM, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I was thinking about adding an Apple Watch to my bag of tricks.  Has
>> anyone used the Apple Watch to assist in your practice in any way?  If so,
>> could you please shed some light on how useful you have found it to be?
>> I'm excited to hear the different ways an Apple Watch can be used
>> especially for time management tasks such as scheduling appointments,
>> making lists, reminders, or any other functions you have found useful in
>> being more efficient. Also, there is the question of which size.  If you
>> have some vision, does the additional 4mm make a difference?
>>
>>
>> Warm regards,
>> Aimee
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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-- 
Very Respectfully,

Christopher O’Meally.

NVB of Virginia 2016 leadership fellow.

Lead instructor and CEO of Access Tech Media INC.

Contract Closeout Specialist, Defense Contract Management Agency.

Chris.omeally at gmail.com

(804)658-6668


From sbonenfant2 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 20:34:21 2016
From: sbonenfant2 at gmail.com (Simon Bonenfant)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 16:34:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Notepad for Apex and iPhone
In-Reply-To: <7960DE66-F38F-4D1F-89BB-8F51EBA655CF@gmail.com>
References: <57fcff8f.827f240a.d6ff2.3e40@mx.google.com>
	<7960DE66-F38F-4D1F-89BB-8F51EBA655CF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79F44488-C09E-405F-9223-57221876475F@gmail.com>

Are you talking about the braille note touch? Or the braille note apex? If you were talking about the apex, the apex does not have the ability to work with other applications outside of key soft apps and it comes with, you may want you direct your questions to the braille note users list.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 11, 2016, at 11:13 AM, Angela via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> You can try using Microsoft Word
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 10:04 AM, Kristen via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey, everyone!
>> 
>> I am looking for an accessible notepad platform that has both an app and a Web version, so I can read/edit simple notes on my iPhone and Apex. I tried inkpadnotepad.com, as that was one of the first results in the App Store for "notepad," but it didn't seem to be accessible on the Apex. Maybe I missed something? Or, any other suggestions?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance!
>> --
>> Kristen
>> 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 20:36:56 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 16:36:56 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Apple Watch
In-Reply-To: <CACOe-GWFzjjDpaQYcWcXNCriHO=09Xi1PgVE2XJ90q4aKsHceg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <57fd2b55.0c1e6b0a.828fd.6f76@mx.google.com>
	<CACOe-GWFzjjDpaQYcWcXNCriHO=09Xi1PgVE2XJ90q4aKsHceg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <042401d223ff$360b7980$a2226c80$@gmail.com>

Does anyone have the features of the apple watch and the price so I can look at it?
 Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christopher O'meally via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 4:21 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Christopher O'meally <chris.omeally at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Apple Watch

to tell you the truth, as far as the size, it doesn't matter all that much unless you can see enough to read large print or something.  But I like it because it actually gives me better battery  life on my phone, as it taps me for notifications instead of my phone alerting me every time I get something.  I can use it to filter information, so for example at work, I only want to see messages and reminders.  Well if that's all I want my watch to show me, that is all it shows me.
Being a dog user, I found the dark sky watch app to be helpful, as my watch would tap me before it starts raining, and again when its about to stop.  Being able to just lift your arm, say hey siri, and tell it to remind me to call someone back after I finish doing what I am doing is nice.  Its mor to make little things fast, so you are not glued to your phone all the time.  GPS is nice on it too.  Getting taps instead of voice directions can help in loud situations when traveling, the list goes on.  Feel free to ask any questions, I will be glad to answer them.

On 10/11/16, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> I have the first generation AppleWatch.
> I really enjoy using it.
> I'm running watch OS 3 on it.
>
> A few things to keep in mind:
> 1. Be careful when turning your watch off, if you ever need to do so. 
> If you're running watch OS 3, you could call emergency without knowing.
> 2.
> If you want the best battery life possible, go with the 42MM.
> Thanks,
> Jessica
>
> On Oct 11, 2016 2:02 PM, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I was thinking about adding an Apple Watch to my bag of tricks.  Has 
>> anyone used the Apple Watch to assist in your practice in any way?  
>> If so, could you please shed some light on how useful you have found it to be?
>> I'm excited to hear the different ways an Apple Watch can be used 
>> especially for time management tasks such as scheduling appointments, 
>> making lists, reminders, or any other functions you have found useful 
>> in being more efficient. Also, there is the question of which size.  
>> If you have some vision, does the additional 4mm make a difference?
>>
>>
>> Warm regards,
>> Aimee
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>> com
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--
Very Respectfully,

Christopher O’Meally.

NVB of Virginia 2016 leadership fellow.

Lead instructor and CEO of Access Tech Media INC.

Contract Closeout Specialist, Defense Contract Management Agency.

Chris.omeally at gmail.com

(804)658-6668

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From rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 21:28:25 2016
From: rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com (andrew edgcumbe)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 17:28:25 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Notepad for Apex and iPhone
In-Reply-To: <57fcff8f.827f240a.d6ff2.3e40@mx.google.com>
References: <57fcff8f.827f240a.d6ff2.3e40@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAGcQ9RYSC3oUzSoqBx7BcaiMOcnv7fduxBpkPTcoDGO6-xaMWA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Kristen you can use micro soft word if you use a computer

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Kristen via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hey, everyone!
>
> I am looking for an accessible notepad platform that has both an app and a
> Web version, so I can read/edit simple notes on my iPhone and Apex. I tried
> inkpadnotepad.com, as that was one of the first results in the App Store
> for "notepad," but it didn't seem to be accessible on the Apex. Maybe I
> missed something? Or, any other suggestions?
>
> Thanks in advance!
> --
> Kristen
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

From Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu  Tue Oct 11 22:08:29 2016
From: Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte (Student))
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 22:08:29 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS blog post for October
Message-ID: <5F6007D7-F272-4D97-8CAE-7AA9BDB260B0@mainex1.asu.edu>

Greetings NABS,

Join with me in reading this months blog post titled, "A Fellow Student Doing the Right Thing". This months post was authored by Bre Brown the president of the student division in Texas. Bre attends Texas State University and was a graduate of the Louisiana Center for the Blind. In her article she explains how she handled an interaction with one of her sighted peers on her college campus. Follow the link below and enjoy reading!

http://nabslink.org/content/fellow-student-doing-right-thing

Bryan Duarte software engineer
ASU Computer Science Ph.D Student
National Association of Blind Students | Board Member
Arizona Association of Blind Students | President
QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/

“let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.”
-- St. Teresa of Avila


From Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu  Tue Oct 11 22:45:49 2016
From: Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte (Student))
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 22:45:49 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Communications committee minutes
Message-ID: <032D39AF-697D-493A-A58E-85A3EBF5D1E6@mainex1.asu.edu>

Greetings NABS,

Attached to this email you will find the minutes from the October 9th communications committee meeting. In case you were unable to make the meeting take a look at the minutes to get caught up. Thanks



Bryan Duarte software engineer
ASU Computer Science Ph.D Student
National Association of Blind Students | Board Member
Arizona Association of Blind Students | President
QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/

“let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.”
-- St. Teresa of Avila

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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 01:34:31 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 18:34:31 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Notepad for Apex and iPhone
In-Reply-To: <CAGcQ9RYSC3oUzSoqBx7BcaiMOcnv7fduxBpkPTcoDGO6-xaMWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <57fcff8f.827f240a.d6ff2.3e40@mx.google.com>
	<CAGcQ9RYSC3oUzSoqBx7BcaiMOcnv7fduxBpkPTcoDGO6-xaMWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0E9C2AB9-8135-4B23-960B-C077C40A42B0@gmail.com>

I use an IPhone and Apex. I don't think a notepad platform is  necessary. You could always just work on the Apex, email yourself the document inside the email, paste it and edit it with notes/pages.
Vejas 

> On Oct 11, 2016, at 14:28, andrew edgcumbe via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Kristen you can use micro soft word if you use a computer
> 
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Kristen via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hey, everyone!
>> 
>> I am looking for an accessible notepad platform that has both an app and a
>> Web version, so I can read/edit simple notes on my iPhone and Apex. I tried
>> inkpadnotepad.com, as that was one of the first results in the App Store
>> for "notepad," but it didn't seem to be accessible on the Apex. Maybe I
>> missed something? Or, any other suggestions?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance!
>> --
>> Kristen
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Oct 12 02:45:30 2016
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 21:45:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Survey To Help the Blind Live the Lives We Want In
 Our Christian Communities
Message-ID: <auto-000068210503@mailfront1.g2host.com>


>
>Hello David,
>
>I am resending the link for the Braille Circulating Library's 
>survey.  I have received several e-mails from folks who are telling 
>me that the link is not working for them.  I hope the link below 
>will work.  If anyone has a problem with it, they can send me an 
>e-mail, and I would be happy to send them the link directly.  My 
>e-mail address is:
>
><mailto:Lindseyroanem1 at gmail.com>Lindseyroanem1 at gmail.com
>
>I would appreciate it if you would repost this e-mail to the 
>listservs you sent it to before.  I apologize for any inconvenience.
>
>Thank you for your help.
>
>Here is the survey:
>
><https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScZXLZYfD_z-WYIjj8OR9GYWAEoJppy9fWWArWA6cJeYYXrtQ/viewform>https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScZXLZYfD_z-WYIjj8OR9GYWAEoJppy9fWWArWA6cJeYYXrtQ/viewform
>
>Have a great evening!
>
>Melody Roane

From awildheir at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 05:07:23 2016
From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 01:07:23 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Readers
In-Reply-To: <6AF8EEE8-6402-44C8-A704-AA4D3C3408DC@gmail.com>
References: <BFE9A70B-A129-4C14-A559-B6AD4D7C99EC@gmail.com>
	<012801d2203a$cbfcf3b0$63f6db10$@gmail.com>
	<010c01d2203c$5390a280$fab1e780$@gmail.com>
	<6AF8EEE8-6402-44C8-A704-AA4D3C3408DC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <35A8ACAC-5FE4-4596-A5C2-515CE8FEC0EF@gmail.com>

That's sounds like it is improperly tagged and the read order is messed up.  By chance are you using a Mac?

Aimee

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 6, 2016, at 9:54 PM, Vejas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, both of you.  I think I will ask for DSS to spell-check, I did not know that that they could do this.
> Another issue I am having with these PDF's, which may be a separate issue, is that there are occasionally blocks of text which are interrupted by another completely unrelated block of text, then will jump back to the original block of text if that makes any sense. I don't know if this is because it is  a table, or why this happens, I wonder if this issue can be avoided by saving it in a word format?
> Thanks,
> Vejas 
> 
>> On Oct 6, 2016, at 18:44, Hope Paulos via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> They should be checking for spelling/accuracy. As far as having a reader
>> read chapters in the book, I'd try and set up some time each week to have
>> them read the chapters. You can ask them to stop at a particular point so
>> you can take notes but you can also record the reading. This way, you can go
>> back and re-read the chapters for tests and more in-depth note-taking.
>> I hope this is helpful.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jameyanne
>> Fuller via NABS-L
>> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2016 9:33 PM
>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>> Cc: Jameyanne Fuller
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about Readers
>> 
>> I've never used a reader so can't answer your first questions, but I feel
>> like you could say to Your disabilities service office that you're having a
>> problem because there are lots of errors in the scanned book and is there
>> anything they can do to reduce those errors. Honestly they should have
>> someone proofreading.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas via
>> NABS-L
>> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:25 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Vejas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Readers
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> I was wondering if any of you have used readers to read a chapter from a
>> textbook, and how exactly you would go about this process.
>> Although I have the textbook I need, it has been scanned by Disability
>> Services and there are tons of errors, making some parts confusing to read. 
>> Do you just tell the reader when to stop so that you can take notes on a
>> particular topic?
>> Would it be appropriate to ask my disability services office to check for
>> spelling/accuracy, or is that not really their place?
>> Thanks,
>> Vejas
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 05:15:24 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 22:15:24 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Readers
In-Reply-To: <35A8ACAC-5FE4-4596-A5C2-515CE8FEC0EF@gmail.com>
References: <BFE9A70B-A129-4C14-A559-B6AD4D7C99EC@gmail.com>
	<012801d2203a$cbfcf3b0$63f6db10$@gmail.com>
	<010c01d2203c$5390a280$fab1e780$@gmail.com>
	<6AF8EEE8-6402-44C8-A704-AA4D3C3408DC@gmail.com>
	<35A8ACAC-5FE4-4596-A5C2-515CE8FEC0EF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA52C84A-B5C4-495A-A853-3695A14C098F@gmail.com>

Hi,
No, I use my  Braillenote Apex to read them, because I prefer the flexibility of being able to read with my fingers. I'm thinking that the conversion into Word would fix this, since I have never encountered an issue like this on Word.
Vejas  

> On Oct 11, 2016, at 22:07, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> That's sounds like it is improperly tagged and the read order is messed up.  By chance are you using a Mac?
> 
> Aimee
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 6, 2016, at 9:54 PM, Vejas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, both of you.  I think I will ask for DSS to spell-check, I did not know that that they could do this.
>> Another issue I am having with these PDF's, which may be a separate issue, is that there are occasionally blocks of text which are interrupted by another completely unrelated block of text, then will jump back to the original block of text if that makes any sense. I don't know if this is because it is  a table, or why this happens, I wonder if this issue can be avoided by saving it in a word format?
>> Thanks,
>> Vejas 
>> 
>>> On Oct 6, 2016, at 18:44, Hope Paulos via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> They should be checking for spelling/accuracy. As far as having a reader
>>> read chapters in the book, I'd try and set up some time each week to have
>>> them read the chapters. You can ask them to stop at a particular point so
>>> you can take notes but you can also record the reading. This way, you can go
>>> back and re-read the chapters for tests and more in-depth note-taking.
>>> I hope this is helpful.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jameyanne
>>> Fuller via NABS-L
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2016 9:33 PM
>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>> Cc: Jameyanne Fuller
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about Readers
>>> 
>>> I've never used a reader so can't answer your first questions, but I feel
>>> like you could say to Your disabilities service office that you're having a
>>> problem because there are lots of errors in the scanned book and is there
>>> anything they can do to reduce those errors. Honestly they should have
>>> someone proofreading.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas via
>>> NABS-L
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:25 PM
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: Vejas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Readers
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> I was wondering if any of you have used readers to read a chapter from a
>>> textbook, and how exactly you would go about this process.
>>> Although I have the textbook I need, it has been scanned by Disability
>>> Services and there are tons of errors, making some parts confusing to read. 
>>> Do you just tell the reader when to stop so that you can take notes on a
>>> particular topic?
>>> Would it be appropriate to ask my disability services office to check for
>>> spelling/accuracy, or is that not really their place?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Vejas
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From awildheir at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 05:32:54 2016
From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 01:32:54 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Readers
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I have asked my school to help me find a student to hire as a reader and was told they couldn't help me with that.  I have also heard around that students are discouraged from helping me because it might give me an advantage.

I am in law school and we have a judicial opinion as our writing project the first semester.  We are not allowed to get any outside help with the assignment.  

What I want to know, since we are talking about readers, can I hire someone to read for me during this assignment?  I think it would especially make the research more productive. Can I also have this person check formatting of the document? Can I request a reader to help with bluebook citations?

Has anyone had any experience with this in law school? What, if any, laws did you use to support your request.  I think the person at my school is interpreting the law very narrowly and is forgetting the policy behind the law and the reason the law exists in the first place.

I really appreciate any information you may have to shed some light on this situation.

 
Aimee
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 10, 2016, at 11:04 PM, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Emma,
> 
> Most schools do not provide readers and scribes for outside work which is what Vejas needs.
> Does your school provide the readers just for tests and in class assignments?
> If they provide readers to access other reading such as homework textbook assignments or library research, how many hours do they give you for this out of class time?
> Wow, if they provide readers like this, I might consider that one for grad school.  I've always had to hire my own readers.
> 
> Ashley
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Emma Mitchell via NABS-L
> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2016 8:22 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Emma Mitchell
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about Readers
> 
> Hi,
> I use readers and scribes all the time. I would set up a meeting with your disability office to discuss what is needed and get the service in place.
> Emma
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 6, 2016, at 9:24 PM, Vejas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> I was wondering if any of you have used readers to read a chapter from a textbook, and how exactly you would go about this process.
>> Although I have the textbook I need, it has been scanned by Disability Services and there are tons of errors, making some parts confusing to read.
>> Do you just tell the reader when to stop so that you can take notes on a particular topic?
>> Would it be appropriate to ask my disability services office to check for spelling/accuracy, or is that not really their place?
>> Thanks,
>> Vejas
>> _______________________________________________
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From awildheir at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 06:03:23 2016
From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 02:03:23 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] scanning books with Kurzweil
In-Reply-To: <EE83524E-824D-4E05-9647-263AF45D3E37@gmail.com>
References: <5966B2FD-CBD4-48C3-8B68-671846ECBDFC@gmail.com>
	<57e411f3.415e370a.3501d.e084SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
	<52F4F2C6-DB97-4D87-A435-8B1158789CE6@gmail.com>
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What you could do is put a piece of Braille paper on one side and then see if the reports says it is all in view.

Aimee

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Precious Perez via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> That's really helpful. I didn't know it could do that. How would I best position the stand? I'm not sure what to do when there's a page on the left and on the right. and if it could capture them both at once.
> 
> Precious
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Greg Aikens via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Actually, if you are using a stand, KNFB Reader should be able to grab the whole page at once. With the batch mode, you only have to turn the page and it will detect when it is time to scan the next page. Far easier than flipping the book over, turning the page, and then putting it face down on the scanner again. 
>> 
>> Best,
>> Greg
>> 
>>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good morning, Precious and other interesteds,
>>> 
>>> Having never used a KNFB scanner, I would just hazard that the flat-bed scanner will be fastest and most efficiant with it's larger, scanning area and ability to capture the entire page in one fell swoop.
>>> Car
>>> 
>>> /20/2016, Precious Perez via NABS-L wrote:
>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>> I am using Kurzweil to scan two books that I need for one of my courses. One of the books is small, and it fits on the scanner, so the process works well. The other book is both wider and thicker, and I'm having trouble orienting it so that the scanner can capture the pages fully. Does anyone have any tips for scanning books efficiently? I thought of using my scan stand with KNFB reader, but I'm not sure which scanning option would be more tedious or time-consuming.
>>>> Thanks in advance for your help! :)
>>>> 
>>>> Precious
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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From louvins at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 07:16:40 2016
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 02:16:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Readers
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References: <BFE9A70B-A129-4C14-A559-B6AD4D7C99EC@gmail.com>
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Hi Aimee and all.  I don't know a thing about law school, or what laws
you could site, but you should be able to get a reader for your
assignment.  I can't believe people at your school think that just
because you need help, that is giving you some kind of unfair
advantage with your assignment.  I would first go to your instructor
who is teaching your course, and see what they would say.  Maybe your
instructor could ask the class, and you might get a volunteer.  Also,
think about a tutor for this class, that could also help with your
reading of the assignment, and also help with you checking the proper
formatting and things like that.  When I took my english class, I had
tutors, not to help me write my papers, but to help me with proper
grammar and spelling, and formatting when doing research assignments.
My college had a tutoring center, and you called and scheduled
appointments before the semester began and checked if a tutor was
available for your particular class.  Then at the appointed time
everey day, or however many times per week, you'd go to your tutoring
appointment.  Tutoring is how I got through math.  I remember a couple
times, one of my tutors was my scribe and reader when I took some of
my math tests.  Good luck.

On 10/12/16, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I have asked my school to help me find a student to hire as a reader and was
> told they couldn't help me with that.  I have also heard around that
> students are discouraged from helping me because it might give me an
> advantage.
>
> I am in law school and we have a judicial opinion as our writing project the
> first semester.  We are not allowed to get any outside help with the
> assignment.
>
> What I want to know, since we are talking about readers, can I hire someone
> to read for me during this assignment?  I think it would especially make the
> research more productive. Can I also have this person check formatting of
> the document? Can I request a reader to help with bluebook citations?
>
> Has anyone had any experience with this in law school? What, if any, laws
> did you use to support your request.  I think the person at my school is
> interpreting the law very narrowly and is forgetting the policy behind the
> law and the reason the law exists in the first place.
>
> I really appreciate any information you may have to shed some light on this
> situation.
>
>
> Aimee
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 10, 2016, at 11:04 PM, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Emma,
>>
>> Most schools do not provide readers and scribes for outside work which is
>> what Vejas needs.
>> Does your school provide the readers just for tests and in class
>> assignments?
>> If they provide readers to access other reading such as homework textbook
>> assignments or library research, how many hours do they give you for this
>> out of class time?
>> Wow, if they provide readers like this, I might consider that one for grad
>> school.  I've always had to hire my own readers.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Emma Mitchell via NABS-L
>> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2016 8:22 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Cc: Emma Mitchell
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about Readers
>>
>> Hi,
>> I use readers and scribes all the time. I would set up a meeting with your
>> disability office to discuss what is needed and get the service in place.
>> Emma
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Oct 6, 2016, at 9:24 PM, Vejas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>> I was wondering if any of you have used readers to read a chapter from a
>>> textbook, and how exactly you would go about this process.
>>> Although I have the textbook I need, it has been scanned by Disability
>>> Services and there are tons of errors, making some parts confusing to
>>> read.
>>> Do you just tell the reader when to stop so that you can take notes on a
>>> particular topic?
>>> Would it be appropriate to ask my disability services office to check for
>>> spelling/accuracy, or is that not really their place?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Vejas
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NABS-L mailing list
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From alyssahenson95 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 18:11:39 2016
From: alyssahenson95 at gmail.com (Alyssa Henson)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 14:11:39 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Apple Watch
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I agree with all that has been said here. I definitely like the part about not having to be glued to my phone so often, especially since I have a plus. Also, for the person who was concerned about emergency services, you can turn that off. Go into the watch app on your phone, select general, and find Emergency SOS. In there, you can turn off the hold down dock button to call emergency services. That was also a concern of mine when I updated. Finally, for the person wanting information on pricing and features, go to apple.com/watch <http://apple.com/watch> as well as applevis.com <http://applevis.com/> for information specifically about accessibility.
HTH
Alyssa 
> On Oct 11, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Justin Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have the features of the apple watch and the price so I can look at it?
> Justin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of Christopher O'meally via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 4:21 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>>
> Cc: Christopher O'meally <chris.omeally at gmail.com <mailto:chris.omeally at gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Apple Watch
> 
> to tell you the truth, as far as the size, it doesn't matter all that much unless you can see enough to read large print or something.  But I like it because it actually gives me better battery  life on my phone, as it taps me for notifications instead of my phone alerting me every time I get something.  I can use it to filter information, so for example at work, I only want to see messages and reminders.  Well if that's all I want my watch to show me, that is all it shows me.
> Being a dog user, I found the dark sky watch app to be helpful, as my watch would tap me before it starts raining, and again when its about to stop.  Being able to just lift your arm, say hey siri, and tell it to remind me to call someone back after I finish doing what I am doing is nice. Its mor to make little things fast, so you are not glued to your phone all the time.  GPS is nice on it too.  Getting taps instead of voice directions can help in loud situations when traveling, the list goes on.  Feel free to ask any questions, I will be glad to answer them.
> 
> On 10/11/16, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I have the first generation AppleWatch.
>> I really enjoy using it.
>> I'm running watch OS 3 on it.
>> 
>> A few things to keep in mind:
>> 1. Be careful when turning your watch off, if you ever need to do so. 
>> If you're running watch OS 3, you could call emergency without knowing.
>> 2.
>> If you want the best battery life possible, go with the 42MM.
>> Thanks,
>> Jessica
>> 
>> On Oct 11, 2016 2:02 PM, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> I was thinking about adding an Apple Watch to my bag of tricks.  Has 
>>> anyone used the Apple Watch to assist in your practice in any way?  
>>> If so, could you please shed some light on how useful you have found it to be?
>>> I'm excited to hear the different ways an Apple Watch can be used 
>>> especially for time management tasks such as scheduling appointments, 
>>> making lists, reminders, or any other functions you have found useful 
>>> in being more efficient. Also, there is the question of which size.  
>>> If you have some vision, does the additional 4mm make a difference?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Warm regards,
>>> Aimee
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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> 
> 
> --
> Very Respectfully,
> 
> Christopher O’Meally.
> 
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> 
> Lead instructor and CEO of Access Tech Media INC.
> 
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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 18:21:06 2016
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 14:21:06 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Apple Watch
Message-ID: <57fe7f15.d3136b0a.b74d4.eea2@mx.google.com>

Hi,
I don't want to disable the feature.
It was just a heads-up for the person considering getting one.
I think that this feature has the potential to save the wearer's life, if necessary.
Thanks,
Jessica

On Oct 12, 2016 2:11 PM, Alyssa Henson via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> I agree with all that has been said here. I definitely like the part about not having to be glued to my phone so often, especially since I have a plus. Also, for the person who was concerned about emergency services, you can turn that off. Go into the watch app on your phone, select general, and find Emergency SOS. In there, you can turn off the hold down dock button to call emergency services. That was also a concern of mine when I updated. Finally, for the person wanting information on pricing and features, go to apple.com/watch <http://apple.com/watch> as well as applevis.com <http://applevis.com/> for information specifically about accessibility.
> HTH
> Alyssa 
> > On Oct 11, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Justin Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > 
> > Does anyone have the features of the apple watch and the price so I can look at it?
> > Justin
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of Christopher O'meally via NABS-L
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 4:21 PM
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>>
> > Cc: Christopher O'meally <chris.omeally at gmail.com <mailto:chris.omeally at gmail.com>>
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Apple Watch
> > 
> > to tell you the truth, as far as the size, it doesn't matter all that much unless you can see enough to read large print or something.  But I like it because it actually gives me better battery  life on my phone, as it taps me for notifications instead of my phone alerting me every time I get something.  I can use it to filter information, so for example at work, I only want to see messages and reminders.  Well if that's all I want my watch to show me, that is all it shows me.
> > Being a dog user, I found the dark sky watch app to be helpful, as my watch would tap me before it starts raining, and again when its about to stop.  Being able to just lift your arm, say hey siri, and tell it to remind me to call someone back after I finish doing what I am doing is nice. Its mor to make little things fast, so you are not glued to your phone all the time.  GPS is nice on it too.  Getting taps instead of voice directions can help in loud situations when traveling, the list goes on.  Feel free to ask any questions, I will be glad to answer them.
> > 
> > On 10/11/16, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> I have the first generation AppleWatch.
> >> I really enjoy using it.
> >> I'm running watch OS 3 on it.
> >> 
> >> A few things to keep in mind:
> >> 1. Be careful when turning your watch off, if you ever need to do so. 
> >> If you're running watch OS 3, you could call emergency without knowing.
> >> 2.
> >> If you want the best battery life possible, go with the 42MM.
> >> Thanks,
> >> Jessica
> >> 
> >> On Oct 11, 2016 2:02 PM, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hello everyone,
> >>> 
> >>> I was thinking about adding an Apple Watch to my bag of tricks.  Has 
> >>> anyone used the Apple Watch to assist in your practice in any way?  
> >>> If so, could you please shed some light on how useful you have found it to be?
> >>> I'm excited to hear the different ways an Apple Watch can be used 
> >>> especially for time management tasks such as scheduling appointments, 
> >>> making lists, reminders, or any other functions you have found useful 
> >>> in being more efficient. Also, there is the question of which size.  
> >>> If you have some vision, does the additional 4mm make a difference?
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Warm regards,
> >>> Aimee
> >>> 
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> NABS-L mailing list
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> >> ail.com
> >> 
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > Very Respectfully,
> > 
> > Christopher O’Meally.
> > 
> > NVB of Virginia 2016 leadership fellow.
> > 
> > Lead instructor and CEO of Access Tech Media INC.
> > 
> > Contract Closeout Specialist, Defense Contract Management Agency.
> > 
> > Chris.omeally at gmail.com
> > 
> > (804)658-6668
> > 
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From rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 20:28:49 2016
From: rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com (andrew edgcumbe)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 16:28:49 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Apple Watch
In-Reply-To: <842183AE-545C-45A4-BFC3-2CD43E10B440@gmail.com>
References: <57fd2b55.0c1e6b0a.828fd.6f76@mx.google.com>
	<CACOe-GWFzjjDpaQYcWcXNCriHO=09Xi1PgVE2XJ90q4aKsHceg@mail.gmail.com>
	<042401d223ff$360b7980$a2226c80$@gmail.com>
	<842183AE-545C-45A4-BFC3-2CD43E10B440@gmail.com>
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hi i have been some what interested in the eye products some time myself
and what they do  sounds interesting.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 2:11 PM, Alyssa Henson via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> wrote:

> I agree with all that has been said here. I definitely like the part about
> not having to be glued to my phone so often, especially since I have a
> plus. Also, for the person who was concerned about emergency services, you
> can turn that off. Go into the watch app on your phone, select general, and
> find Emergency SOS. In there, you can turn off the hold down dock button to
> call emergency services. That was also a concern of mine when I updated.
> Finally, for the person wanting information on pricing and features, go to
> apple.com/watch <http://apple.com/watch> as well as applevis.com <
> http://applevis.com/> for information specifically about accessibility.
> HTH
> Alyssa
> > On Oct 11, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Justin Williams via NABS-L <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have the features of the apple watch and the price so I can
> look at it?
> > Justin
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org <mailto:
> nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of Christopher O'meally via NABS-L
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 4:21 PM
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>>
> > Cc: Christopher O'meally <chris.omeally at gmail.com <mailto:
> chris.omeally at gmail.com>>
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Apple Watch
> >
> > to tell you the truth, as far as the size, it doesn't matter all that
> much unless you can see enough to read large print or something.  But I
> like it because it actually gives me better battery  life on my phone, as
> it taps me for notifications instead of my phone alerting me every time I
> get something.  I can use it to filter information, so for example at work,
> I only want to see messages and reminders.  Well if that's all I want my
> watch to show me, that is all it shows me.
> > Being a dog user, I found the dark sky watch app to be helpful, as my
> watch would tap me before it starts raining, and again when its about to
> stop.  Being able to just lift your arm, say hey siri, and tell it to
> remind me to call someone back after I finish doing what I am doing is
> nice. Its mor to make little things fast, so you are not glued to your
> phone all the time.  GPS is nice on it too.  Getting taps instead of voice
> directions can help in loud situations when traveling, the list goes on.
> Feel free to ask any questions, I will be glad to answer them.
> >
> > On 10/11/16, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> I have the first generation AppleWatch.
> >> I really enjoy using it.
> >> I'm running watch OS 3 on it.
> >>
> >> A few things to keep in mind:
> >> 1. Be careful when turning your watch off, if you ever need to do so.
> >> If you're running watch OS 3, you could call emergency without knowing.
> >> 2.
> >> If you want the best battery life possible, go with the 42MM.
> >> Thanks,
> >> Jessica
> >>
> >> On Oct 11, 2016 2:02 PM, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello everyone,
> >>>
> >>> I was thinking about adding an Apple Watch to my bag of tricks.  Has
> >>> anyone used the Apple Watch to assist in your practice in any way?
> >>> If so, could you please shed some light on how useful you have found
> it to be?
> >>> I'm excited to hear the different ways an Apple Watch can be used
> >>> especially for time management tasks such as scheduling appointments,
> >>> making lists, reminders, or any other functions you have found useful
> >>> in being more efficient. Also, there is the question of which size.
> >>> If you have some vision, does the additional 4mm make a difference?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Warm regards,
> >>> Aimee
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> NABS-L mailing list
> >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> >>> NABS-L:
> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jldail13%40gmail.
> >>> com
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> NABS-L mailing list
> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> >> NABS-L:
> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chris.omeally%40gm
> >> ail.com
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Very Respectfully,
> >
> > Christopher O’Meally.
> >
> > NVB of Virginia 2016 leadership fellow.
> >
> > Lead instructor and CEO of Access Tech Media INC.
> >
> > Contract Closeout Specialist, Defense Contract Management Agency.
> >
> > Chris.omeally at gmail.com
> >
> > (804)658-6668
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NABS-L mailing list
> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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> options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com>
> >
> >
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From rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 20:35:15 2016
From: rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com (andrew edgcumbe)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 16:35:15 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Apple Watch
In-Reply-To: <57fe7f15.d3136b0a.b74d4.eea2@mx.google.com>
References: <57fe7f15.d3136b0a.b74d4.eea2@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAGcQ9Rav1sSvqL4ybLkioQDxnxB5y536ONifsLDiYu3+99_7Zw@mail.gmail.com>

hi jessica i agree with you it could save somebody's life how long have you
used an apple watch for.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hi,
> I don't want to disable the feature.
> It was just a heads-up for the person considering getting one.
> I think that this feature has the potential to save the wearer's life, if
> necessary.
> Thanks,
> Jessica
>
> On Oct 12, 2016 2:11 PM, Alyssa Henson via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > I agree with all that has been said here. I definitely like the part
> about not having to be glued to my phone so often, especially since I have
> a plus. Also, for the person who was concerned about emergency services,
> you can turn that off. Go into the watch app on your phone, select general,
> and find Emergency SOS. In there, you can turn off the hold down dock
> button to call emergency services. That was also a concern of mine when I
> updated. Finally, for the person wanting information on pricing and
> features, go to apple.com/watch <http://apple.com/watch> as well as
> applevis.com <http://applevis.com/> for information specifically about
> accessibility.
> > HTH
> > Alyssa
> > > On Oct 11, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Justin Williams via NABS-L <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Does anyone have the features of the apple watch and the price so I
> can look at it?
> > > Justin
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org <mailto:
> nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of Christopher O'meally via NABS-L
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 4:21 PM
> > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>>
> > > Cc: Christopher O'meally <chris.omeally at gmail.com <mailto:
> chris.omeally at gmail.com>>
> > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Apple Watch
> > >
> > > to tell you the truth, as far as the size, it doesn't matter all that
> much unless you can see enough to read large print or something.  But I
> like it because it actually gives me better battery  life on my phone, as
> it taps me for notifications instead of my phone alerting me every time I
> get something.  I can use it to filter information, so for example at work,
> I only want to see messages and reminders.  Well if that's all I want my
> watch to show me, that is all it shows me.
> > > Being a dog user, I found the dark sky watch app to be helpful, as my
> watch would tap me before it starts raining, and again when its about to
> stop.  Being able to just lift your arm, say hey siri, and tell it to
> remind me to call someone back after I finish doing what I am doing is
> nice. Its mor to make little things fast, so you are not glued to your
> phone all the time.  GPS is nice on it too.  Getting taps instead of voice
> directions can help in loud situations when traveling, the list goes on.
> Feel free to ask any questions, I will be glad to answer them.
> > >
> > > On 10/11/16, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >> Hi,
> > >> I have the first generation AppleWatch.
> > >> I really enjoy using it.
> > >> I'm running watch OS 3 on it.
> > >>
> > >> A few things to keep in mind:
> > >> 1. Be careful when turning your watch off, if you ever need to do so.
> > >> If you're running watch OS 3, you could call emergency without
> knowing.
> > >> 2.
> > >> If you want the best battery life possible, go with the 42MM.
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Jessica
> > >>
> > >> On Oct 11, 2016 2:02 PM, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Hello everyone,
> > >>>
> > >>> I was thinking about adding an Apple Watch to my bag of tricks.  Has
> > >>> anyone used the Apple Watch to assist in your practice in any way?
> > >>> If so, could you please shed some light on how useful you have found
> it to be?
> > >>> I'm excited to hear the different ways an Apple Watch can be used
> > >>> especially for time management tasks such as scheduling appointments,
> > >>> making lists, reminders, or any other functions you have found useful
> > >>> in being more efficient. Also, there is the question of which size.
> > >>> If you have some vision, does the additional 4mm make a difference?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Warm regards,
> > >>> Aimee
> > >>>
> > >>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >>> NABS-L mailing list
> > >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > >>> NABS-L:
> > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jldail13%40gmail
> .
> > >>> com
> > >> _______________________________________________
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> chris.omeally%40gm
> > >> ail.com
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Very Respectfully,
> > >
> > > Christopher O’Meally.
> > >
> > > NVB of Virginia 2016 leadership fellow.
> > >
> > > Lead instructor and CEO of Access Tech Media INC.
> > >
> > > Contract Closeout Specialist, Defense Contract Management Agency.
> > >
> > > Chris.omeally at gmail.com
> > >
> > > (804)658-6668
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > NABS-L mailing list
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> > >
> > >
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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 13 00:29:45 2016
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 20:29:45 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem saving file from oneDrive to keyword for editing
Message-ID: <57fed57b.418e6b0a.be90b.1e1e@mx.google.com>

Hi,
I'm having a problem saving a file from oneDrive to keyword.
Every time I try to save it, I get an error.
What can I do to fix this?
Thanks,
Jessica

From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Wed Oct 12 23:53:56 2016
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. Labarre)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 17:53:56 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] National Take Your Teddy Bear to Work/School Day;
 the NFB of Colorado; and a Stash of Cash
Message-ID: <001401d224e3$e55ae080$b010a180$@labarrelaw.com>

Greetings Friends and Family:

 

As you are undoubtedly aware, today is October 12, 2016, and I send you well
wishes on National Take Your Teddy Bear to Work or School Day and hope that
you have been celebrating it accordingly.

 

October 12th also means that it is a mere 17 days until we draw the prizes
for this year's Amazing Colorado Raffle brought to you by the National
Federation of the Blind of Colorado.  Like last year, one lucky person will
win $2500, another $1000, and yet another $500.  All you need to do is
purchase tickets and throw your hat in the running.  Tickets cost only $10
for one or get three for $20 or whatever multiple thereof you like.  For
example, $100 will get you 15 tickets in the raffle.  

 

How do you participate?

 

Well, it's easy.  Please go to the following address and follow the
instructions:

www.nfbco.org/amazing-colorado-raffle
<http://www.nfbco.org/amazing-colorado-raffle> 

 

Why is this important?

 

I have been a member of the National Federation of the Blind since 1986 when
I was fortunate enough to win a national scholarship from the Federation.
That assistance and the thirty years of support from the organization have
allowed me to live the life I want and become a successful attorney,
husband, and father.  Without the Federation's positive philosophy and
countless positive role models, I would not have the life that I want.

 

How do the funds from this contest help the Federation specifically?

 

Well, we use these funds to operate our college scholarship program, provide
Braille Literacy training through our BELL Academies, and issue empowerment
grants to blind individuals.  Other than the cash prizes, 100 percent of the
funds raised go to these programs.

 

Do I have to be present to win?

 

Absolutely not!  We will draw the three names Saturday evening, October
29th, at approximately 8:00 pm Mountain as part of our Annual Convention
taking place at the Denver Marriott South which is actually located in Lone
Tree, Colorado.

 

I thank you in advance for participating in this year's raffle and wish you
luck.  If you need any help in purchasing tickets, please do not hesitate to
email me, slabarre at labarrelaw.com <mailto:slabarre at labarrelaw.com> , or call
us at 303 504-5979.  

 

Good luck and hug your Teddy Bear!  

 

Warmly,

Scott LaBarre

President, NFB of Colorado

 

P.S.  We apologize if you receive this message more than once due to the
nature of our email lists.

PP.S. If you want us to remove you from the list, please reply to this
message with the email address you wish removed.

PPP.S. Thanks again!

 

  

 

 

 


From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 13 02:24:30 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 22:24:30 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem saving file from oneDrive to keyword for
 editing
In-Reply-To: <57fed57b.418e6b0a.be90b.1e1e@mx.google.com>
References: <57fed57b.418e6b0a.be90b.1e1e@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <01a601d224f8$ee19c000$ca4d4000$@gmail.com>

Not knowing much about it, are you able to save it from one drive to another
place other than key word?  Maybe if so, you can use that as a go between.
 Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jessica Dail
via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 8:30 PM
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Hi,
I'm having a problem saving a file from oneDrive to keyword.
Every time I try to save it, I get an error.
What can I do to fix this?
Thanks,
Jessica
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From mausbun at unr.edu  Thu Oct 13 02:52:37 2016
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 02:52:37 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] invitation
Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B236DF3F6@UBOX2.unr.edu>

Dear Fellow Federationists:
	Please join us, the National Federation of the Blind of Nevada, at our state convention November 11 through the 13 in Reno Nevada at the Grand Sierra Resort. We have an action pact agenda, which is attached, and pasted below, for your convenience. We always love to visit with our Federation Family and nothing means home like Nevada.
Respectfully yours,
Michael Ausbun, Vice President
National Federation of the Blind of Nevada


National Federation of the Blind of Nevada
2016 Annual State Convention
November 11 – November 13
Grand Sierra Resort
2500 East 2nd Street
Reno, NV 89595
775-789-2000

NFB OF NEVADA BOARD OF DIRECTORS
President:	Kimie Beverly

Vice President:	Michael Ausbun

Secretary:	Frida Aizenman

Treasurer:	Chun Chao

Board Member I:	Shaetonna Jackson

Board Member II:	Thomas Kearns

Board Member III:	Dora Uchel

2016 National Representative:	National President, Mark Riccobono

THE 2016 CONVENTION COMMITTEE
Terri Rupp, Michael Ausbun, Sarah Alawami, Chun Chao, Kimie Beverly, Frida Aizenman, Amanda Bolton, and Thomas Kearns

EXHIBITORS
A.T. Guys and Blindfold Games

SPECIAL THANKS
The Grand Sierra Resort staff, all of our speakers, guests, Federation friends, family, and National President Mark Riccobono.

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can have the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.

FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 11, 2016

CONVENTION REGISTRATION	1:00PM - 5:00PM
Located just outside of the McKinley Room
Convention Registration $10.00
Banquet Ticket $40.00
Membership Dues $10.00

NABS ANNUAL MEETING	3:00PM - 5:00PM
(Nevada Association of Blind Students)
McKinley Room
Michael Ausbun, NFB of Nevada Vice President and National Association of Blind Students Secretary, will lead us in the reorganization of the Nevada Association of Blind Students. Presenting are Past and present NABS Board Members along with our NFB National President, Mark Riccobono.

RESOLUTION MEETING	5:00PM - 6:00PM
McKinley Room
Policies and Procedures of the Organization begin here at the Resolutions Meeting.

NFB OF NEVADA BOARD MEETING (open to all)	6:00PM - 7:00PM
McKinley Room
Everyone is welcome to attend the board meeting of the National Federation of the Blind of Nevada.

ACCESSIBLE FAMILY GAME NIGHT	7:00PM - 9:00PM
Family Hospitality Suite
Hosted by the Nevada Organization of Parents of Blind Children, $10.00 gets you snacks, refreshments, and a fantastic couple hours of competitive fun with accessible games. Contact Terri Rupp at 702-524-0835 for the Family Hospitality Suite location.

SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 12, 2016

CONVENTION REGISTRATION (last chance)	7:00AM - 9:00AM
Located just outside of Sierra 2
Convention Registration $10.00
Banquet Ticket $40.00
Membership Dues $10.00

COMMENCEMENT	9:00AM - 9:30AM
Sierra 2
 Welcome to the 2016 National Federation of the Blind of Nevada State Convention. Led by Terri Rupp, Convention Chair, please join us as we honor our great nation and Federation leaders with an invocation, the National Anthem, Pledge of Allegiance, and NFB Pledge.

NFB NATIONAL REPORT	9:30AM - 10:00AM
Sierra 2
National Federation of the Blind President, Mark Riccobono, reports on what’s happening across the nation in the National Federation of the Blind.

NFB OF NEVADA PRESIDENTIAL REPORT	10:00AM - 10:30AM
Sierra 2
NFB of Nevada President, Kimie Beverly, reports on what the state of Nevada has accomplished in the past year.

SERVING THE FEDERATION LOCALLY, NATIONALLY, AND BEYOND	10:30AM - 12:00PM
Sierra 2

NFB of Nevada Vice President, Michael Ausbun, shares his experience of serving the organization locally, as an intern at our National Center, and as a volunteer at the World Blind Union Conference.	10:30AM

Melissa Riccobono, First Lady of the National Federation of the Blind, a blind parent, and www.blindparents.org head contact for the Parents of Blind Children.	10:50AM

Christella Garcia, licensed Massage Therapist by trade, and Bronze Paralympic Metal Winner in the 2016 Rio Paralympic Games.	11:10AM

Will Geddes from the Geddes Law Firm	11:30AM-11:50: Employment Discrimination: The INS and outs of title one of the Americans with Disabilities Act

Announcements, Questions, and Answers	11:50AM

LUNCH BREAK (on your own)	12:00PM - 2:00PM
Exhibitors A.T. Guys and Blindfold Games will be available just outside of the meeting room during lunch break.

NOPBC AROUND THE TABLE DISCUSSION LUNCH	12:30PM - 1:30PM
(Nevada Organization of Parents of Blind Children)
Family Hospitality Suite
Join parents of blind children in a relaxed group discussion on all topics concerning raising blind children. $10.00 will get you pizza and refreshments.

SERVING THE FEDERATION LOCALLY, NATIONALLY, AND BEYOND (continued)	2:00PM - 4:00PM
Sierra 2

Assembly Woman, Amber Joiner, Committee on Education.	2:00PM
Question and Answer session	2:20PM

Mary Zabel, Director of Disability Resource Center, University of Nevada, Reno, and her colleague, Darrin McCarthy.	2:30PM
Question and Answer session	2:50PM

Nancy Denninger, Vocational Rehabilitation Counselor.	3:00PM
Question and Answer session	3:20PM

Jennifer Kennedy NOMCT, graduate of the Louisiana Tech Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness, “A Method to the Madness”, and Bre Brown, Louisiana Center for the Blind Alumni, National Association of Blind Students First Vice President, “Never Too Soon for Training.”	3:30PM
Question and Answer session	3:50PM

BRIDGES AND BELLS PANEL	4:00PM - 4:50PM
Sierra 2

Lisa Bonie, Executive Director of the Northern Nevada Center for Independent Living, discusses the importance of building bridges in the community.	4:00PM
Helen McCoy, Nevada BELL Academy Co-coordinator discusses our upcoming BELL (Braille Enrichment Learning and Literacy) Academy.	4:20PM
Question and Answer session	4:40PM

ANNOUNCEMENTS	4:50PM - 5:00PM
Sierra 2

ADJOURNMENT	5:00PM

MEET THE PRESIDENT MIXER	6:00PM - 7:00PM
Sierra 1 & 2
Meet NFB President Mark Riccobono, First Lady Melissa Riccobono, NFB of Nevada President Kimie Beverly, and mix and mingle with fellow federation members new and old while enjoying refreshments from the cash bar before the banquet.

BANQUET	7:00PM - 10:00PM
Sierra 1 & 2

Banquet Chair: Michael Ausbun

Keynote Address: National President, Mark Riccobono

Award Plaque presentation to Senator Heller for his support in the Space Available Bill, presented by Michael Ausbun, our Legislative Director.

Unity Scholarship Awards presented by Scholarship Committee Chair, Terri Rupp.

SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 13, 2016

NFB OF NEVADA BUSINESS SESSION	9:00AM - 12:00PM
Sierra 2

Treasurer’s Report, Chun Chao, NFB of Nevada State Treasurer	9:00AM

Affiliate Constitutional Amendments	9:20AM

Resolutions	9:40AM

Elections	10:00AM
The positions up for election are:
•	President
•	Secretary
•	Treasurer
•	Board Member I
•	Board Member III

Thank you for being a part of the 2016 National Federation of the Blind of Nevada State Convention. With love, hope, and determination, we transform dreams into reality.



________________________________________
From: NABS-L [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Justin Williams via NABS-L [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 7:24 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Justin Williams
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Problem saving file from oneDrive to keyword for editing

Not knowing much about it, are you able to save it from one drive to another
place other than key word?  Maybe if so, you can use that as a go between.
 Justin

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: [nabs-l] Problem saving file from oneDrive to keyword for editing

Hi,
I'm having a problem saving a file from oneDrive to keyword.
Every time I try to save it, I get an error.
What can I do to fix this?
Thanks,
Jessica
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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 13 14:07:36 2016
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 10:07:36 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem saving file from oneDrive to keyword for
 editing
Message-ID: <57ff952a.c2066b0a.69e74.5b21@mx.google.com>

Hi,
I'm not sure how to tell it where to save.
When I save it, every time I open it later, my changes are never saved.
How can I fix this?
Thanks,
Jessica

On Oct 12, 2016 10:24 PM, Justin Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Not knowing much about it, are you able to save it from one drive to another 
> place other than key word?  Maybe if so, you can use that as a go between. 
> Justin 
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jessica Dail 
> via NABS-L 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 8:30 PM 
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
> Cc: Jessica Dail <jldail13 at gmail.com> 
> Subject: [nabs-l] Problem saving file from oneDrive to keyword for editing 
>
> Hi, 
> I'm having a problem saving a file from oneDrive to keyword. 
> Every time I try to save it, I get an error. 
> What can I do to fix this? 
> Thanks, 
> Jessica 
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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 14 01:52:48 2016
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 21:52:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] a few questions about windows 10 on mac
Message-ID: <02ac01d225bd$ab6a1af0$023e50d0$@gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm running Windows 10 on my mac via bootcamp.

I have a few questions.

I'm using NVDA.

My questions are:

1.       How can I use "object navigation" without a numpad?

2.       In Microsoft Outlook 2016, how can I dismiss reminder dialogs using
only the keyboard?

Thanks,

Jessica

 


From emitchell927 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 14 02:01:56 2016
From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 22:01:56 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] a few questions about windows 10 on mac
In-Reply-To: <02ac01d225bd$ab6a1af0$023e50d0$@gmail.com>
References: <02ac01d225bd$ab6a1af0$023e50d0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8862FCF4-F624-4AA0-B245-64FB48D625FF@gmail.com>

I use jaws on mac windows and from what I learned there should be a laptop mode to put caps lock as the screen reader key

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 13, 2016, at 9:52 PM, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm running Windows 10 on my mac via bootcamp.
> 
> I have a few questions.
> 
> I'm using NVDA.
> 
> My questions are:
> 
> 1.       How can I use "object navigation" without a numpad?
> 
> 2.       In Microsoft Outlook 2016, how can I dismiss reminder dialogs using
> only the keyboard?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jessica
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 14 02:25:00 2016
From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 21:25:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] a few questions about windows 10 on mac
In-Reply-To: <8862FCF4-F624-4AA0-B245-64FB48D625FF@gmail.com>
References: <02ac01d225bd$ab6a1af0$023e50d0$@gmail.com>
	<8862FCF4-F624-4AA0-B245-64FB48D625FF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3F511587-1562-42E4-BF39-925D927CA5C9@gmail.com>

There is a way to put caps lock as the Jaws key, buy putting the keyboard layout to laptop.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 13, 2016, at 9:01 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I use jaws on mac windows and from what I learned there should be a laptop mode to put caps lock as the screen reader key
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 13, 2016, at 9:52 PM, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm running Windows 10 on my mac via bootcamp.
>> 
>> I have a few questions.
>> 
>> I'm using NVDA.
>> 
>> My questions are:
>> 
>> 1.       How can I use "object navigation" without a numpad?
>> 
>> 2.       In Microsoft Outlook 2016, how can I dismiss reminder dialogs using
>> only the keyboard?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Jessica
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 14 02:33:59 2016
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 22:33:59 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] a few questions about windows 10 on mac
Message-ID: <5800441a.4a44240a.96431.93c4@mx.google.com>

Hi,
Yes, I have NVDA set to use the caps-lock key by default, because the mac doesn't have an insert key, nor does it have a numpad.
Although, you can purchase a bluetooth or USB numpad from Apple.
I'm sure Amazon has them as well, but I haven't checked.
Thanks,
Jessica

On Oct 13, 2016 10:01 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> I use jaws on mac windows and from what I learned there should be a laptop mode to put caps lock as the screen reader key 
>
> Sent from my iPhone 
>
> > On Oct 13, 2016, at 9:52 PM, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: 
> > 
> > Hi, 
> > 
> > I'm running Windows 10 on my mac via bootcamp. 
> > 
> > I have a few questions. 
> > 
> > I'm using NVDA. 
> > 
> > My questions are: 
> > 
> > 1.       How can I use "object navigation" without a numpad? 
> > 
> > 2.       In Microsoft Outlook 2016, how can I dismiss reminder dialogs using 
> > only the keyboard? 
> > 
> > Thanks, 
> > 
> > Jessica 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________ 
> > NABS-L mailing list 
> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org 
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org 
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Fri Oct 14 12:18:30 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 05:18:30 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Ocular Migraines
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FYrrueOSgzhhG+CvfVzODcEmucP+O+jw5dn9BG3624Q4A@mail.g
	mail.com>
References: <CAFja7FYrrueOSgzhhG+CvfVzODcEmucP+O+jw5dn9BG3624Q4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.293.1772982283.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Good morning, Kaiti,

         Reading your message about the happening of mysterious 
headaches, made me remember those people we have lost due to 2ndary 
cancer diagnosis, however, it sounds not like you have to worry about that.
My suggestion would be to talk about experience with headaches with 
glockoma doc, see what he suggests. Does anything lessen the pain or 
accuteness of those headaches? Did you happen to have bi/unilateral blastoma?
Car 11:27 AM 10/2/2016, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Sorry for this being slightly off-topic, but I wasn't sure of any
>other way to ask for information on it.
>
>I've had some pretty bad headaches since my early teen years, but
>every time I brought it up to my pediatrician (who is really good and
>who otherwise I really like), she made it sound like they weren't
>frequent or severe enough to cause major concern.  There was talk of
>sending me to a neurologist at one point, but she never went through
>with it and wanted me to rule out the possibility that the headaches
>were sinus-related first, which I have done.  While I do get sinus
>headaches, especially in the Spring, I can usually tell the difference
>between them and my other headaches by how they feel.  Further, these
>other headaches are usually there for several hours and aren't
>responsive to ibuprofen or Tylenol, and typically knock me out or
>leave me feeling lethargic afterwards.
>
>Within the past year I started having instances where the vision in
>the eye that has some sight would cut out for a second or two, then
>come back.  This usually happened before or after a migraine headache,
>but sometimes it happens for no good reason at all.  I do know that
>the shunt used to keep my Glaucoma in check is starting to wear down
>and will need to be replaced in the next several years, but when I
>told my retina specialist about these issues he was pretty confident
>that the visual disturbances I was having are caused by ocular
>migraines either in my eye or near the optic nerve.  I also see a
>Glaucoma specialist, and he noted around the same time I talked to my
>retina doc that everything looked as stable as it can be aside from
>the shunt he put in, but I read that ocular migraines are also
>experienced by 2/3s of Glaucoma patients who have taken some damage to
>their optic nerves as I have.
>
>I'm wondering if anyone else has ocular migraines and might have more
>information than I do.  I've been reading up on them, but obviously
>I'm a bit hesitant to take everything I read on Web MD or from the
>Mayo Clinic archives as something that's happening to me.  Again, I
>know this isn't academic-related and am sorry for veering off-course,
>but any information would be great.
>
>Thanks,
>
>--
>Kaiti Shelton
>
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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 14 19:08:52 2016
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 15:08:52 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] good podcast apps; similar to iCatcher or Downcast?
Message-ID: <58012d4d.e3a96b0a.e2284.f083@mx.google.com>

Hi,
I'm looking for an app that will work across all platforms; Android, iOS, mac OS, and Windows.
This app must do the following to meet my needs:
1. be able to import/export opml files
2. play video podcasts
3. works well on BN touch

Does anyone have any suggestions?
Any and all ideas are greatly appriciated.
Thanks,
jessica

From gmoore3rd at gmail.com  Fri Oct 14 23:37:59 2016
From: gmoore3rd at gmail.com (Glenn III)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 18:37:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB of IL Convention Pre-registration ends tonight.
Message-ID: <CAAxfxEBaD3epFMN+GQOqdKdXqVdxnSJ4A-S_bx4_MU3Q-qRSYA@mail.gmail.com>

​

       Good evening.

       This is Glenn Moore from the National Federation of the Blind of
Illinois.



       I just want to let you know that today is the final day to
preregister online for the NFB of Illinois State Convention with the
discounted $5 registration rate. If you want to come to convention but
can’t register today, you can, however register ‘at the door’ at convention
(regular rate is $15).

       Convention is, Friday October 28 through Sunday the 30th

       At the Naperville Marriott, 1801 Naper Blvd., Naperville, IL,
800-228-9290 (for room reservations).

       Convention info and details are at our website:

http://nfbofillinois.org/?page_id=207

       You (or someone you know who would like to attend) can pre-register
at:

http://nfbofillinois.org/?page_id=685

       After today, you can register Friday evening or Saturday morning (at
the regular registration rate).



I hope you can come.

Glenn Moore

Secretary, NFB of IL
​

From sbonenfant2 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 15 00:09:09 2016
From: sbonenfant2 at gmail.com (Simon Bonenfant)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 20:09:09 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] a few questions about windows 10 on mac
In-Reply-To: <5800441a.4a44240a.96431.93c4@mx.google.com>
References: <5800441a.4a44240a.96431.93c4@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <B805FAE8-0837-4128-B9CD-64AA7C68A477@gmail.com>

Yes, the Mac has an answer key. I'm not sure how to get it enabled, because I usually am effusion, NVM or fusion you have to go to key map her, but I don't think there's an option to that Boot Camp, from what I know it should be working automatically. Oh and by the way, it's to grieve accent key the key right below the escape key, right before the number one.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 13, 2016, at 10:33 PM, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Yes, I have NVDA set to use the caps-lock key by default, because the mac doesn't have an insert key, nor does it have a numpad.
> Although, you can purchase a bluetooth or USB numpad from Apple.
> I'm sure Amazon has them as well, but I haven't checked.
> Thanks,
> Jessica
> 
>> On Oct 13, 2016 10:01 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I use jaws on mac windows and from what I learned there should be a laptop mode to put caps lock as the screen reader key 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 
>> 
>>> On Oct 13, 2016, at 9:52 PM, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: 
>>> 
>>> Hi, 
>>> 
>>> I'm running Windows 10 on my mac via bootcamp. 
>>> 
>>> I have a few questions. 
>>> 
>>> I'm using NVDA. 
>>> 
>>> My questions are: 
>>> 
>>> 1.       How can I use "object navigation" without a numpad? 
>>> 
>>> 2.       In Microsoft Outlook 2016, how can I dismiss reminder dialogs using 
>>> only the keyboard? 
>>> 
>>> Thanks, 
>>> 
>>> Jessica 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From 1008jmd at gmail.com  Sat Oct 15 02:59:03 2016
From: 1008jmd at gmail.com (John)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 22:59:03 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] a few questions about windows 10 on mac
In-Reply-To: <B805FAE8-0837-4128-B9CD-64AA7C68A477@gmail.com>
References: <5800441a.4a44240a.96431.93c4@mx.google.com>
	<B805FAE8-0837-4128-B9CD-64AA7C68A477@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0435501e-ec27-491c-9d78-d9c3b21493fc@johns-iPhone>


Hi guys if you want to use object navigation you have to use the caps lock key and the shift key and the up down left or right keys hope this helps


Dictated from Voice Dream Mail.





On Oct 14, 2016 at 8:10 PM, Simon Bonenfant via NABS-L wrote:





Yes, the Mac has an answer key. I'm not sure how to get it enabled, because I usually am effusion, NVM or fusion you have to go to key map her, but I don't think there's an option to that Boot Camp, from what I know it should be working automatically. Oh and by the way, it's to grieve accent key the key right below the escape key, right before the number one.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 13, 2016, at 10:33 PM, Jessica Dail via NABS-L<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Yes, I have NVDA set to use the caps-lock key by default, because the mac doesn't have an insert key, nor does it have a numpad.
> Although, you can purchase a bluetooth or USB numpad from Apple.
> I'm sure Amazon has them as well, but I haven't checked.
> Thanks,
> Jessica
> 
> > On Oct 13, 2016 10:01 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>wrote:
> > 
> > I use jaws on mac windows and from what I learned there should be a laptop mode to put caps lock as the screen reader key
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > > On Oct 13, 2016, at 9:52 PM, Jessica Dail via NABS-L<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I'm running Windows 10 on my mac via bootcamp.
> > > 
> > > I have a few questions.
> > > 
> > > I'm using NVDA.
> > > 
> > > My questions are:
> > > 
> > > 1. How can I use "object navigation" without a numpad?
> > > 
> > > 2. In Microsoft Outlook 2016, how can I dismiss reminder dialogs using
> > > only the keyboard?
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > Jessica
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > NABS-L mailing list
> > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com
> > 
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> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From 1008jmd at gmail.com  Sat Oct 15 02:59:03 2016
From: 1008jmd at gmail.com (John)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 22:59:03 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] a few questions about windows 10 on mac
In-Reply-To: <B805FAE8-0837-4128-B9CD-64AA7C68A477@gmail.com>
References: <5800441a.4a44240a.96431.93c4@mx.google.com>
	<B805FAE8-0837-4128-B9CD-64AA7C68A477@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0435501e-ec27-491c-9d78-d9c3b21493fc@johns-iPhone>


Hi guys if you want to use object navigation you have to use the caps lock key and the shift key and the up down left or right keys hope this helps


Dictated from Voice Dream Mail.





On Oct 14, 2016 at 8:10 PM, Simon Bonenfant via NABS-L wrote:





Yes, the Mac has an answer key. I'm not sure how to get it enabled, because I usually am effusion, NVM or fusion you have to go to key map her, but I don't think there's an option to that Boot Camp, from what I know it should be working automatically. Oh and by the way, it's to grieve accent key the key right below the escape key, right before the number one.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 13, 2016, at 10:33 PM, Jessica Dail via NABS-L<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Yes, I have NVDA set to use the caps-lock key by default, because the mac doesn't have an insert key, nor does it have a numpad.
> Although, you can purchase a bluetooth or USB numpad from Apple.
> I'm sure Amazon has them as well, but I haven't checked.
> Thanks,
> Jessica
> 
> > On Oct 13, 2016 10:01 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>wrote:
> > 
> > I use jaws on mac windows and from what I learned there should be a laptop mode to put caps lock as the screen reader key
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > > On Oct 13, 2016, at 9:52 PM, Jessica Dail via NABS-L<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I'm running Windows 10 on my mac via bootcamp.
> > > 
> > > I have a few questions.
> > > 
> > > I'm using NVDA.
> > > 
> > > My questions are:
> > > 
> > > 1. How can I use "object navigation" without a numpad?
> > > 
> > > 2. In Microsoft Outlook 2016, how can I dismiss reminder dialogs using
> > > only the keyboard?
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > Jessica
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > NABS-L mailing list
> > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
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> > 
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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 16 13:31:06 2016
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 09:31:06 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] question about pocketCasts
Message-ID: <CAD26BE2-5A38-48E8-B7E9-5ADE454D0C59@gmail.com>

Hi,
I just bought pocketCasts yesterday.
So far, I really like it. 
However, there is one serious issue I need help with. 
I'm not allowed on social media, but in the "stats" section of the app, it says something about a large number of items that I never sent. Is there a way to clear this data forever? 
The developers don't respond.
Thanks,
Jessica



Sent from my iPhone

From Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu  Mon Oct 17 21:59:17 2016
From: Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte (Student))
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 21:59:17 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Trivia! Do you know your NFB?
Message-ID: <C149E270-C13F-49B9-B710-77B6F03C5C63@mainex1.asu.edu>

Greetings NABS,

As mentioned in the September edition of the NABS Notes, we are excited to deliver something fun and different to you on the third week of the month. We are starting a new thing called, NABS Trivia, do you know your NFB?" The way this will work is, every third week of the month trivia questions will be posted to the NABS list, and the first 3 people who submit the correct answers will be featured in our monthly NABS Notes. The NABS board is excited to see how NFB trivia goes because there has been talk about possibly a prize if you are all active and participating;) Here are the instructions on how to play:
• You may use the internet to search for the answers, but some questions might require you to read the NABS Notes, presidential release, or some other NFB send outs that might not be available just by using Google.
• Answer each question and make sure you read the question completely so you can answer it accurately.
• When you have answered all questions, please send your answers to Bryan Duarte at:
bjduarte at asu.edu<mailto:bjduarte at asu.edu>
or simply reply to this email.
• You will only be allowed to submit your answers one time so any emails received after your first submission will be disregarded.
• Have fun and we hope you enjoy!

NABS Trivia, Do you know your NFB?
Know your NFB Philosophy:
1.  What are the three objectives of the National Federation of the Blind?
Answer:

Know your National Leaders: (Past, present, details)
2. List the years Jacobus TenBroek was president  of the National Federation of the Blind.
Answer:

Know your National Office: (staff, location, details)
3. What is the address of the national office?
Answer:

Know your NABS: (past or present leaders, committees, details)
4. Who was NABS President from 1971-1977?
Answer:

Know your Legislation: (past or present)
5.  What does AIM HE stand for?
Answer:

Know your State affiliates: (Names, Affiliates, Student Divisions)
6. Who are the affiliate, and student presidents of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas?
Answer:


Bryan Duarte software engineer
ASU Computer Science Ph.D Student
National Association of Blind Students | Board Member
Arizona Association of Blind Students | President
QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/

“let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.”
-- St. Teresa of Avila


From jldail13 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 17 23:32:21 2016
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 19:32:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] help adding events to calendar from email on BN touch?
Message-ID: <58055f88.0c1e6b0a.828fd.4e02@mx.google.com>

Hi,
I just registered for a webinar.
I got a confirmation email, and need to put the event on my calendar.
Attached to the email is an ics file, which should, in theory do what I'd ;. However, when I try my touch says something to the affect of, "Unable to open event."
Does the calendar support ics files?
I think it's a native format, so I don't know if I'm doing something wrong, or what could be causing this.
How can I fix it?
Any help with this issue would be greatly appriciated.
Thanks,
Jessica

From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Mon Oct 17 23:57:39 2016
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. Labarre)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 17:57:39 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] NFBCO Convention Agenda
Message-ID: <00a301d228d2$3e6f9930$bb4ecb90$@labarrelaw.com>

Hello Folks, below and attached is the Agenda for the upcoming NFBCO
Convention.  It could certainly change some, but this is the final draft
going to print.  We will be streaming the Convention.  So stay tuned for
announcements about that.

 

Cheers,

Scott

 


AGENDA


 


National Federation of the Blind of Colorado


 

62nd Annual State Convention

October 27 - October 30, 2016

 

Denver Marriott South at Park Meadows 

 
<http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?cp=39.5417~-104.8707&where1=Denver%20
Marriott%20South%20at%20Park%20Meadows&ss=ypid.YN137x402488185&FORM=SNAPST>
10345 Park Meadows Drive 

Lone Tree, CO 80124

 

Park Ridge Ballroom Salons C & D

 

 

LIVING THE LIFE WE WANT! 

 

Scott C. LaBarre, President

2233 W. Shepperd Avenue

Littleton, CO 80120

303-778-1130

 



 


 


NFB PLEDGE


 


  I pledge to participate actively in the effort of the

  National Federation of the Blind to achieve equality,    

  opportunity, and security for the blind; to support the  

  policies and programs of the Federation and to abide  

  by its constitution.

 

 

NFB MESSAGE

 

  The National Federation of the Blind knows that    

  blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or 

  your future. Every day we raise the expectations of 

  blind people, because low expectations create 

  obstacles between blind people and our dreams. 

  You can live the life you want; blindness is not what  

  holds you back.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

TRIBUTE TO OUR SPONSORS

 

We extend our sincerest gratitude to our Title Sponsor; 

Colorado Center for the Blind.

 

Since 1988, the CCB has been changing what it means to be blind one life at
a time.  The Center has provided world class blindness training to students
from all over the world.  Contact Julie Deden, Executive Director,
<mailto:jdeden at cocenter.org> jdeden at cocenter.org, 303-778-1130.  Also visit
<http://www.cocenter.org/> www.cocenter.org for more information.

 

 

WE ALSO THANK OUR TITANIUM, GOLD AND SILVER SPONSORS:

 

Vanda Pharmaceuticals, Inc., Titanium Sponsor

WE Fit Wellness, Titanium Sponsor

Audio Information Network of Colorado, Gold Sponsor

LaBarre Law Offices, P.C., Gold Sponsor

Learning Ally, Silver Sponsor

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

GENERAL CONFERENCE INFORMATION

 

REGISTRATION:  

Park Ridge Ballroom Foyer

Friday 8:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. 

Saturday 8:00 a.m. to 11:30 a.m. 

 

Registration Fee:                                   $25.00

Friday Luncheon:                                   $25.00

Saturday Lunch:                                    $25.00


Saturday Banquet:                                 $40.00


 

CHILDCARE INFORMATION:  

Please contact childcare coordinator, Ena Batron, 

720-384-3263 to make arrangements.

  

Childcare will be held in Hospitality Suite #528.

 

Friday:  Childcare will be open from 8:30 a.m. to 5:30 p.m.

Parents must provide meals for their children.  

 

Saturday:  Childcare will be open from 8:30 a.m. to 

4:30 p.m.  Parents must provide lunch for their children.  

Childcare will re-open at 6:30 p.m. and close at 10:00 p.m. 

 

Sunday:  Childcare will be open from 8:45 a.m. to Noon.  

 

DOG RELIEF AREA INFORMATION:

 

There are two dog relief areas.  The first is located off the restaurant
patio, up a few steps and left a short distance to the grassy area.  There
will be a trash can next to the railing.  The second location is located out
and to the right of the exit door that is between the Littleton and
Englewood/Parker breakout rooms. 

Please deposit all waste in the trash cans provided.

Contact Dog Guide Coordinator, Melissa Green, and pay attention to general
announcements. 

 

DOOR PRIZES:  

 

Julie Deden serves as our Door Prize Chairwoman.  Door Prizes will be drawn
in general Convention session and you must be present to win.  Please bring
your prizes to Julie prior to the beginning of general sessions.

 

RECYCLING LANYARDS AND NAME BADGE HOLDERS

 

If you do not care to keep your Convention lanyard and name badge holder, do
please drop them off on the registration table at the ballroom entry as
Convention winds down.  We will be able to use them for future Conventions. 

 

EXHIBITS:  

 

Exhibits will be open in the Park Ridge Ballroom Foyer throughout the entire
Convention at the discretion of the individual exhibitor and primarily when
there aren't competing Convention activities. The times listed below are
definitely scheduled and it is likely that exhibits will also be open during
breakout sessions, especially on Friday. 

 

Friday 8:00 a.m. to 11:00 a.m.

Saturday 8:00 a.m. to 9:00 a.m.

 

 

 

 

Please stop to visit the following exhibitors and sponsors:

 

Ambron Products, Exhibitor

Audio Information Network of Colorado, Gold Sponsor

BAUM USA, Exhibitor

Blind Tech Training, Exhibitor

Colorado Business Enterprise Program, Exhibitor

Colorado Commission for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, Exhibitor

E.A.S.Y. LLC, Exhibitor

Guide Dogs for the Blind, Exhibitor

HumanWare, Exhibitor

LaBarre Law Offices, P.C., Gold Sponsor

Learning Ally, Silver Sponsor 

NanoPac, Inc./Freedom Scientific, Exhibitor

Nestle Waters, Supporter

Seeing Eye, Inc., Exhibitor 

Techie Joe's

Vanda Pharmaceuticals, Inc., Titanium Sponsor

Volunteer Ministers, Exhibitor 

WE Fit Wellness, Titanium Sponsor

 

 

Note:  This year we will again be conducting a door prize drawing for all
those who can prove that they have visited at least thirteen exhibitors.
You will be given a card which each exhibitor needs to stamp.  If your card
is complete, it will go into the hat for a drawing that will be worth cash
and other nice prizes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

THURSDAY AFTERNOON, OCTOBER 27, 2016

 

2:00 p.m. to 5:00 p.m.

NFBCO LEGISLATIVE SEMINAR 

        Salons A & B

 

Join us for this interactive seminar and workshop.  Learn about how laws get
passed on the state and national levels.  Find out about the work of the NFB
and how we have transformed our legislative aspirations into reality.  

 

Dan Burke, Moderator; Chairman, NFBCO Legislative Affairs Committee,
Littleton, Colorado

 

2:00 p.m.

THE NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND AND THE IMPACT THAT WE HAVE MADE
THROUGH STATE AND FEDERAL LEGISLATION, THE WASHINGTON SEMINAR AND THE
COLORADO DAY AT THE LEGISLATURE

 

Scott LaBarre, President, NFB Colorado, Centennial, Colorado

 

Diane McGeorge, Board Member, NFB Colorado, Denver, Colorado

 

Kevan Worley, Board Member, NFB Colorado, Colorado Springs, Colorado

 

2:40 p.m. 

TALKING TO THE ELECTED:  How to Get Your Message Across and Work With
Lawmakers on the State and Federal Levels

MOCK LEGISLATIVE VISIT PRESENTED BY EXPERIENCED NFBCO LEADERS 

 

Kevan Worley, Facilitator; Board Member, NFB Colorado, Colorado Springs,
Colorado 

 

3:10 p.m. 

DISCUSSING NFBCO'S 2017 LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES

 

3:30 p.m.  

PRACTICING OUR SKILLS IN SMALL GROUPS WHILE USING 2017 PRIORITIES  

 

Facilitated by Experienced NFBCO Legislative Leaders

 

4:15 p.m.  

RECONVENING TO DISCUSS WHAT WE'VE LEARNED AND FURTHER DISCUSSING OUR PLANS
IN 2017 AND BEYOND

 

THURSDAY EVENING, OCTOBER 27, 2016

 

5:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m. 

DINNER ON YOUR OWN

 

7:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m.

NFBCO MOVIE NIGHT AND LEADERSHIP EVENT

 

We will screen the new hour long documentary, "Bottom Dollars," which
exposes how workers with disabilities are exploited all over America.
Afterwards, we will discuss the film and how it presents an opportunity for
us to exercise leadership, both individually and as an organization. 

FRIDAY MORNING, OCTOBER 28, 2016

 

8:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m.     

REGISTRATION

                Park Ridge Ballroom Foyer

Pick up your pre-registration packets and register for door prize drawings.
If you didn't register in advance, Convention Registration is $25.00, Friday
Luncheon $25.00, Saturday Luncheon $25.00, and Banquet $40.00.

                                        

8:00 a.m. to 11:00 a.m.   

EXHIBITORS AND SPONSORS SHOWCASE

Park Ridge Ballroom Foyer

 

Peruse this year's selection of Convention Sponsors and Exhibitors and find
out what is new in technology, products, and services.  In particular, we
want to salute our Title Sponsor, Colorado Center for the Blind.

 

8:30 a.m. to 10:00 a.m. 

        RESOLUTIONS COMMITTEE

                Littleton A & B 

 

        Brent Batron and Dan Burke, Co-chairmen

 

8:30 a.m. to 5:30 p.m.     

NFB OF COLORADO KID CORRAL 

Hospitality Suite #528

 

Ena Batron, Corral Leader

                                        

This is our NFB of Colorado Childcare and it's not just babysitting.  Ena
has planned a number of activities to keep the kiddos busy.  Although there
is no charge for Corral, we ask that you register your children for the
Convention.  Donations to NFBCO are welcome to help defray the expenses.
Kids in childcare will be eligible to receive door prizes through their
parents if their names are called.  Also, parents are responsible for
providing the children with meals, except for the banquet when pizza will be
provided to the kiddos.  Snacks will be available throughout. 

 

11:00 a.m. to 1:45 p.m.

 

LIVING THE LIFE WE WANT SESSION I

AND NFBCO ANNUAL LUNCHEON

Park Ridge Ballroom Salons C & D

 

WELCOME AND LOGISTICS

 

Scott C. LaBarre, President, NFB Colorado, Centennial, Colorado

 

OPENING CEREMONIES

 

Presentation of the Colors

Boy Scout Troop 457, Greenwood Village, Colorado

 

PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND FEDERATION PLEDGE

 

Alexander LaBarre and Emily LaBarre, Centennial, Colorado

 

NATIONAL ANTHEM

 

Julie McGinnity, Student, Colorado Center for the Blind, Littleton, Colorado

A METRO WELCOME FROM OUR HOST CHAPTERS

 

Dan Burke, President, NFB Denver, Littleton, Colorado

 

Melissa Fishburn, President, NFB Wild West Chapter, Golden, Colorado 

 

Monique Melton, President, Mile High Chapter, Denver, Colorado

 

Wayne Marshall, President, Aurora Chapter, Aurora, Colorado

 

Yolanda Thompson, President, North Metro Chapter, Longmont, Colorado

 

MEET OUR NATIONAL REPRESENTATIVE

 

Shawn Callaway, Member, NFB Board of Directors; President, NFB of District
of Columbia, Washington, DC 

 

A NEW DAY, A NEW HOME, AND A NEW UNIT FOR THE COLORADO DIVISION OF
VOCATIONAL REHABILITATION

 

Julie Deden, Moderator; Chair, Colorado Statewide Rehabilitation Council;
First Vice President, NFB Colorado, Centennial, Colorado

 

Ellen Golombek, Executive Director, Colorado Department of Labor and
Employment, Denver, Colorado

 

Steve Anton, Director, Colorado DVR, Denver, Colorado

Julia Zanon, Manager, Blind and Low Vision Services Unit, Colorado DVR,
Denver, Colorado

 

ANCHORING THEIR EDUCATION AND THEIR FUTURE: Starting Blind Children on a
Positive Path

 

Heather Cameron, Executive Director, Anchor Center for Blind Children,
Denver, Colorado

 

Lindsay Standish, Director of Programs and Services, Anchor Center for Blind
Children, Denver, Colorado

 

NFBCO ANNUAL LUNCHEON

 

Brent Batron, Master of Ceremonies; Second Vice President, NFB Colorado,
Centennial, Colorado

 

HEARING ABOUT WHAT'S NEW AT THE COLORADO SCHOOL FOR THE DEAF AND BLIND

 

Jamie Lugo, Principal, School for the Blind, Colorado Springs, Colorado

 

BRINGING BOOKS, KNOWLEDGE, AND INFORMATION TO THE BLIND OF COLORADO

 

Debbi MacLeod, Director, Colorado Talking Book Library, Denver, Colorado

 

PRESENTING THE 2016 NFBCO SCHOLARSHIP CLASS

 

Jessica Beecham, Chair, NFBCO Scholarship Committee, Colorado Springs,
Colorado

 

Anna Givens

Denver, Colorado

University of Colorado, Denver

Biology

 

Reem Hamodi

Aurora, Colorado

University of Colorado Denver

Psychology

 

Sandra Schleich

Pueblo, Colorado

Colorado State University of Pueblo

Psychology

 

AUDIO INFORMATION NETWORK OF COLORADO: Helping Us Live the Life We Want

 

David Dawson, Executive Director, AIN Colorado

 

1:45 p.m.  ADJOURN

 

FRIDAY AFTERNOON, OCTOBER 28, 2016

 

2:00 p.m. to 5:00 p.m. 

        SPORTS & REC HEALTH FAIR

                Lone Tree

 

NF-BE Healthy! 

Join the NFB of Colorado Sports and Recreation Division for the NFBCO NF-BE
Healthy Fair! This is your chance to learn more about your personal health
and nutrition and try your hand at lots of fun exercises including kettle
bells, Zumba, self-defense, exercise with resistance bands, on the ball
exercise, and more. Remember to wear comfy clothes!

        

2:00 p.m. to 5:00 p.m.

GET YOUR READ ON: Learn about Accessing Books and Newspapers Using Mobile
Devices and Refreshable Braille

        Salon B

 

Chip Johnson, Technology Instructor, CCB

 

In this seminar, technology staff and students from the Colorado Center for
the Blind will discuss BARD, Bookshare, and other sources for reading books.
We will also demonstrate the use of Newsline with a Braille display and
answer questions from seminar participants. We hope you'll join us.

 

2:00 p.m. to 5:00 p.m. 

        ART ROOM

                Englewood

 

THREE FREE ACTIVITIES

 

Ann Cunningham, Jenny Callahan and Yolanda Thompson will each be directing
an activity in the art room this year. Drop in any time during open hours to
join in the fun!

 

2:00 p.m. to 5:00 p.m.

COLORADO ASSOCIATION OF GUIDE DOG USERS

               Littleton A

 

Melissa, Green, President, COAGDU

Greeley, Colorado



Come one, come all, to the 2016 Colorado Association of Guide Dog Users
(COAGDU) seminar.  We will be talking about a number of different issues
ranging from the steps to take when wanting to get a guide dog to the steps
to take when it is time to retire one.

 

The COAGDU "pack" will have a few guests that will speak on issues such as; 

 

* Emily Harvey - Disability Law Colorado

She will be talking about the new "Service Dog Law" HB16-1426.  The law
makes it a criminal offense to misrepresent a dog as a service dog, or for
someone to misrepresent themselves as a disabled person.  For more
information, PLEASE come and join our pack and check out the seminar.

 

* Dr. Judy Jasek - Doctor of Veterinary Medicine

Dr. Jasek will be talking about the advantages of holistic treatment and
support available during aging and the end of life process for our guide
dogs, and much, much, more.

* Puppies! - A number of puppy raising families will be bringing their
little balls of fur to the Convention, so that if you would like to talk to
them and find out what it is like to raise a puppy and what it takes to get
involved in doing it yourself, then come and ask all of your questions.

 

The "pack" will also have a few of the guide dog schools represented by some
of their "top dogs", and they'll be bringing literature as well.  For those
of us with dogs whose nails are "spooky long", a nail trimming station will
be set up outside the seminar room.  After their nails have been trimmed the
dogs can go to the next station and have some "T-touch time" where they can
just relax, "get ghost" and be lost in their own world.  After their nails
have been cut and their relaxing is over, then your tranquil, furry partner
can smell and try on some of the different essential oils that will be
available for purchase.  The COAGDU "pack" will also have our "swag bags"
for purchase along with guide dog pins depicting different types of dogs
including the golden retriever, German shepherd, Labrador retriever and even
poodles.  

 

Aw Poo!  We forgot to mention that our division will also have "pickup" bags
for sale in case you leave yours at home so that those of us that have guide
dogs can keep the grounds and the facility looking great.  

 

We will also be holding our elections for a few board and officer positions,
so if you have a "bark" that is BIGGER than your bite, then you should come
to the seminar and make your "bark" be heard.  The "pack" hopes to see your
wagging tails at our 2016 State Convention, we might just have a "bone" for
you.

WOOF WOOF!!!!!

 

2:00 p.m. to 5:00 p.m.

        DEAF-BLIND SEMINAR

                Littleton B

 

Join in for hearing loss and deaf-blind discussions. Learn about trends in
the field, questions and concerns, and hear from industry guests. There will
be cool demos. Learn about fun and games for great audio practice. Let's
catch up with what's happening with each other.

 

2:00 p.m. to 3:30 p.m.

COLORADO PARENTS OF BLIND CHILDREN

                Salon A

"CARVING" OUT HIGH EXPECTATIONS FOR

CHILDREN OF ALL AGES.  

 

Parents will have the chance to share ideas and

experiences with one another.  We will also have a 

panel of blind adults who will share the experiences that 

shaped them into successful blind adults.  We will 

then have fun as we all participate in carving pumpkins.

You will be able to work with a blind person to learn 

how pumpkin carving can be both safe and fun for your 

blind child.  We want to assist you in understanding the 

importance of setting high expectations for your child,

both in the classroom and at home.  Help your child 

achieve age appropriate goals as they prepare for their

future, no matter what their age. 

 

 

 

 

3:30 p.m. to 5:00 p.m.

BLIND PARENTS DIVISION ANNUAL MEETING

        Salon A

 

Nate Trela, President, Englewood, Colorado

 

Shawn Callaway, Washington, DC 

 

Pipi Adams, Englewood, Colorado

 

Living the life you want often means raising a family, but kids don't come
with an instruction manual. The state's new Blind Parents Division is here
to help, with parents who are raising happy, bright and active kids. Whether
you're just thinking about starting a family, have kids already out of the
house, or you're a grandparent learning new ways to do things, there's lots
to learn and explore. Come into the session and hear about the challenges
and opportunities that come with parenting at different stages, then check
out some of the equipment and techniques we all use. Share your thoughts
about how to make this division a resource for the whole state.  Join today
(dues are $5) and vote in our election. You can also take a moment to record
a video for blindparents.org, sharing your tips and thoughts with parents
around the country.

 

3:30 p.m. to 5:00 p.m.

        TECHNOLOGY 101

                Salon B

 

Wayne Marshall, Anahit LaBarre and Petr Kucheryavyy will guide you through
the basics of iDevices and low tech accessible technology. 

 

FRIDAY EVENING, OCTOBER 28, 2016

 

5:30 p.m. to 7:00 p.m.

        A SPONSORS SPOTLIGHT

                Park Ridge Ballroom Salons C & D

 

Eat, Drink and Be Merry!  Hear from Our Convention Sponsors, enjoy some hors
d'oeuvres and networking time with your colleagues.  

 

7:00 p.m. to 7:30 p.m. 

        NOMINATING COMMITTEE

                Littleton B

 

        Julie Deden, Chairperson 

 

(Note: This is the only closed meeting of the Convention.  Only appointed
representatives from chapters and divisions are permitted to be in
attendance.) 

        

7:00 p.m. to 11:30 p.m.

FABULOUS FRIDAY NIGHT SOCIAL!

        Park Ridge Ballroom Salons C & D

 

5:30 p.m. 

HOSPITALITY  

 

Come and meet all of the leaders from the Denver metro chapters and hear
from our sponsors and exhibitors.  Enjoy light appetizers and have a drink
from our cash bar.  

 

 

 

7:00 p.m.   

HARVEST, HOOVES AND HARMONY 

 

Hosted by our Denver Metro Chapters:  Aurora, Denver, Mile High, North Metro
and Wild West 

 

HARVEST: Kids will carve pumpkins and there will be a contest.  All kids
present will receive a fun goody bag.

 

HOOVES:  The horse race is back again, sponsored by the Sports and
Recreation Division.  See who is fastest and place your bets.  

 

7:30 p.m. to 9:30 p.m.  

HARMONY:  Come One Come All!  Plan on participating in karaoke night.  Bring
your own music so that it can be plugged into the sound system.  Be sure to
practice, because the top three winners will receive cash prizes.  

 

NFB members and guests from seniors to youth are invited to participate in
the "2016 NFBCO Musical Talent Show".  Please note that participants must
provide their own musical accompaniment. You can provide this on a thumb
drive, CD player, Smart Phone or any device that is USB or Bluetooth
compatible. 

 

There will be cash prizes awarded for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place.. $100, $50 and
$25 respectively!  

 

 

 

 

 

 

SATURDAY MORNING OCTOBER 29, 2016

 

8:00 a.m. to 12:00 p.m.   

REGISTRATION

Park Ridge Ballroom Foyer

 

8:00 a.m. to 9:00 a.m.     

EXHIBITORS AND SPONSORS EXCLUSIVE

SHOWCASE

Park Ridge Ballroom Foyer

 

9:00 a.m. to 1:30 p.m.

 

LIVING THE LIFE WE WANT SESSION II

Park Ridge Ballroom Salons C & D

 

GOOD MORNING! AND THE DAY AHEAD

 

Scott LaBarre, President, NFB Colorado, Centennial, Colorado

 

THE LATEST ADVANCEMENTS IN TACTILE GRAPHICS

 

Mike Rosen, Vice President, E.A.S.Y. LLC, Burlington, Vermont

 

ENSURING HIGH QUALITY EDUCATION FOR BLIND CHILDREN IN COLORADO

 

Dr. Tanni L. Anthony, Director of Access, Learning and Literacy Team,
Exceptional Student Services Unit, Colorado Department of Education, Denver,
Colorado

 

 

LIVING THE LIFE WE WANT THROUGHOUT AMERICA: A National Report

 

Shawn Callaway, Member, NFB Board of Directors, Washington, DC

 

TRANSFORMING OUR DREAMS INTO REALITY IN COLORADO: A Presidential Report

 

Scott LaBarre, President, NFB Colorado, Centennial Colorado

 

WHO WANTS TO BE A BLIND MILLIONAIRE? 

 

A Panel Discussion of a New Day for Blind Entrepreneurs in Colorado

 

Kevan Worley, Moderator; CEO Worley Enterprises; Member, Board of Directors,
NFB Colorado; Chairman, Colorado Elected Committee of Blind Vendors,
Colorado Springs, Colorado 

 

Other Licensed Blind Managers and Colorado BEP Staff

 

RINGING THE BELL IN COLORADO

 

Michelle Chacon, Moderator; Treasurer, NFB Colorado, Las Cruces, New Mexico
along with Staff and Students from 2016 NFBCO BELL Academies

 

LIVING THE LIFE WE WANT AND TAKING CHARGE WITH SELF-CONFIDENCE: A Report
from Our Colorado Center for the Blind

Julie Deden, Moderator; Executive Director, CCB; First Vice President, NFB
Colorado, Centennial, Colorado

Staff and Students from CCB

 

THE BLIND OF COLORADO PURSUING EXCITING NEW CAREERS

 

Maryann Migliorelli, Guest Relations Agent for The Curtis, a DoubleTree by
Hilton Hotel; Member, Board of Directors, NFB Colorado, Boulder, Colorado 

 

Nate Trela, Reporter with Merger Market; President, Blind Parents Division,
NFB Colorado, Englewood, Colorado

 

Cody Bair, Business Tax Services Associate, KPMG, LLP; Member, Board of
Directors, NFB Colorado, Denver, Colorado

 

MY BLINDNESS, MYSELF

 

Three members of our Federation Family will tell their stories of blindness
and how the Federation has helped them live the life they want. 

 

1:30 p.m. 

BREAKING UP IS SO EASY TO DO

 

Grab your boxed lunch and head toward our afternoon seminars.

 

 

 

 

 

SATURDAY AFTERNOON, OCTOBER 29, 2016

 

2:00 p.m. to 5:00 p.m.

COLORADO ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS BUSINESS MEETING

        Littleton A

 

Anna Givens, President, CABS

Denver, Colorado

 

Students, parents, teachers!  Come join us for an exciting afternoon of
learning and exploring resources for blind high school and college students.
Find out what we've been up to and what our plans are for the coming year.
We'll talk about accessibility issues, access to STEM, hear from national
programs for blind students, and much more.  Meet and network with other
blind students, have some fun and win some door prizes.  Registration is $5.

 

2:00 p.m. to 5:00 p.m. 

        ART ROOM

                Englewood

 

THREE FREE ACTIVITIES

 

Ann Cunningham, Jenny Callahan and Yolanda Thompson will each be directing
an activity in the art room this year. Drop in any time during open hours to
join in the fun!

 

2:00 p.m. to 5:00 p.m.

        SENIOR ANNUAL DIVISION MEETING:

        LIVE THE LIFE YOU WANT AS A SENIOR

                Salon B

Diane McGeorge, President

NFBCO Senior Division

Are you living the life you want? Come to our annual senior meeting to
obtain techniques that will help you do just that. Our session will include
information about transportation, new technology, and updates from members
around the state. Bring your box lunch and join us! 

 

2:00 p.m. to 3:30 p.m.

SPORTS AND RECREATION DIVISION MEETING

        Littleton B

 

Maureen Nietfeld, President, Sports and Recreation Division

Littleton, Colorado 

 

The National Federation of the Blind of Colorado Sports and Recreation
Division invites you to join our annual meeting. Learn what the Sports and
Rec Division has been up to this year and help us plan for the future! Come
with your ideas. This is a great opportunity to get involved!

 

2:00 p.m. to 5:00 p.m.

COLORADO ASSOCIATION OF EDUCATION AND REHABILITATION WORKSHOPS

                Salon A

 

2:00 p.m. to 3:30 p.m. 

NON-IOS CELLPHONE ACCESSIBILITY 

 

Heather Solberg, Certified Vision Rehabilitation Therapist with the Visual
Impairment Program at the Denver VA

There is life outside of IOS devices.  Come and learn more about cellphone
accessibility options within Android, Windows, and Jitterbug.

 

3:30 p.m. to 5:00 p.m.

        BRAILLE CLEANING WORKSHOP

 

Trina Boyd-Pratt, retired Teacher of the Visually Impaired 

 

Learn how to easily fix and clean your Perkins Brailler to eliminate the
time you are without it.  Why wait for someone else to do it for you when
you can do it yourself!  Feel free to bring you own Brailler to this hands
on and interactive workshop.    

 

2:00 p.m. to 3:45 p.m. 

        NON-24 BREAKOUT WORKSHOP: 

Sponsored by Vanda Pharmaceuticals Inc.

                Lone Tree

 

Non-24-Hour Sleep-Wake Disorder is a chronic, circadian rhythm disorder
resulting from the misalignment of the endogenous master body clock to the
24-hour day, disrupting the sleep-wake cycle. The sleep disturbance causes
significant distress or impairment in social, occupational and other
important areas of functioning. 

 

Guest speaker Shauna Jatho earned her Bachelor of Science Degree as a
Registered Nurse at University of Louisiana in Lafayette.  She has worked in
the healthcare industry for the past 16 years.  Working in the emergency
room led her to be passionate in connecting with and educating patients.
For the past 5 years, she has gained an appreciation of how a clinical nurse
educator can be impactful in an individual's life.  Her role at Vanda is to
provide education and awareness about Non 24 to members of the blind
community and community advocates.

 

Vanda Pharmaceuticals Inc. is a specialty pharmaceutical company focused on
the development and commercialization of novel therapies to address high
unmet medical needs and improve the lives of patients. For more on Vanda
Pharmaceuticals, please visit  <http://www.vandapharma.com/>
www.vandapharma.com. 

 

2:30 p.m. to 4:30 p.m.

COLORADO ASSOCIATION OF BLIND MERCHANTS

                        Meridian Private Dining Room        

 

Bradly Basta, President

Colorado Association of Blind Merchants

Golden, Colorado

 

Colorado Association of Blind Merchants gather to explore opportunities in
Randolph-Sheppard and beyond.

 

SATURDAY EVENING, OCTOBER 29, 2016

 

6:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m.

        PRE-BANQUET RECEPTION

Park Ridge Ballroom Salons C & D 

 

Let's get tuned up for our Annual Banquet with a cash bar and socializing
with one another.

 

 

7:00 p.m. to 9:30 p.m.

        ANNUAL BANQUET

 

Master of Ceremonies

Kevan Worley, Board Member, NFBCO

Colorado Springs, Colorado

 

Keynote Address

Shawn Callaway, National Representative; Member, NFB Board of Directors;
President, NFB District of Columbia, Washington, DC

 

NFB OF COLORADO SCHOLARSHIP    PRESENTATIONS

 

Jessica Beecham, Chairperson, Committee on Scholarships

Colorado Springs, CO

 

AWARDS AND OTHER SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS

 

Scott C. LaBarre, President 

NFB of Colorado

 

ANNUAL FUNDRAISING AUCTION

Maryann Migliorelli, NFB of Colorado Auction Chairperson

        

        PAC IT UP!

        Monique Melton, NFB of Colorado PAC Chairperson

        

       NFB OF COLORADO AMAZING RAFFLE DRAWING

 

 

 

SUNDAY MORNING, OCTOBER 30, 2016

 

8:00 a.m. to 11:47 a.m.

 

LIVING THE LIFE WE WANT SESSION III

AND NFB COLORADO ANNUAL BREAKFAST

Park Ridge Ballroom Salons C & D

 

Julie Deden, Moderator; First Vice President, NFB Colorado, Centennial,
Colorado

 

First we will enjoy a scrumptious breakfast and socialize a bit.

 

CHAPTER AND DIVISION REPORTS AND SETTING OUR PRIORITIES FOR 2017 AND BEYOND

 

Jessica Beecham, Moderator; Secretary, NFB Colorado, Colorado Springs,
Colorado

 

We will hear from all of our Chapters and Divisions and then engage in a
group discussion about our short and long term priorities

 

STUDENTS LIVING THE LIVES THEY WANT IN AMERICA

 

Kathryn Webster, President, National Association of Blind Students, Wake
Forest, North Carolina

 

THE MARRAKESH EXPRESS AND ITS ROUTE THROUGH COLORADO

 

Scott LaBarre, President, NFB Colorado, Centennial, Colorado

ALL ABOUT THE BUSINESS OF THE FEDERATION

 

We will take up resolutions, conduct elections for our Board of Directors,
review our financial report, and facilitate the Honor Roll Call of Chapters
and Divisions.

 

11:47 a.m. 

ADJOURNMENT

 

 

 

 

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From jab2bs at mtmail.mtsu.edu  Tue Oct 18 01:46:15 2016
From: jab2bs at mtmail.mtsu.edu (James Alan Boehm)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 01:46:15 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] GRE Software
Message-ID: <74BE4A4A-FDB8-4C12-9A30-634273B8BCFE@mtmail.mtsu.edu>

Good day friends.
I wanted to see if anyone on the list has used the software provided for the GRE exam? Please contact me offlsit at secretary at nfb-tn.org. I have a friend that is considering using the software the company provides with the test and is wanting to get some feedback on how it worked. I hope everyone is having a great semester! We are over half way through it now!Keep up the hard work!
Best,

James Alan Boehm
Contact Information:
Phone: 901-483-1515
Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com
NFB Email: secretary at nfb-tn.org
Kustom Cane: kustomcane at gmail.com

Blindness never limits-low expectations do! Live the life you want!






From jfranks at nfbtx.org  Tue Oct 18 02:05:23 2016
From: jfranks at nfbtx.org (Jonathan Franks)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 21:05:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] GRE Software
In-Reply-To: <74BE4A4A-FDB8-4C12-9A30-634273B8BCFE@mtmail.mtsu.edu>
References: <74BE4A4A-FDB8-4C12-9A30-634273B8BCFE@mtmail.mtsu.edu>
Message-ID: <70DBD3FA-78B4-4312-898D-56B9F9AC9AA5@nfbtx.org>

I have tested the software and it is accessible. The company that administers the exam can provide you a demo CD that helps you learn the software.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 17, 2016, at 8:46 PM, James Alan Boehm via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good day friends.
> I wanted to see if anyone on the list has used the software provided for the GRE exam? Please contact me offlsit at secretary at nfb-tn.org. I have a friend that is considering using the software the company provides with the test and is wanting to get some feedback on how it worked. I hope everyone is having a great semester! We are over half way through it now!Keep up the hard work!
> Best,
> 
> James Alan Boehm
> Contact Information:
> Phone: 901-483-1515
> Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com
> NFB Email: secretary at nfb-tn.org
> Kustom Cane: kustomcane at gmail.com
> 
> Blindness never limits-low expectations do! Live the life you want!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From jab2bs at mtmail.mtsu.edu  Tue Oct 18 02:13:27 2016
From: jab2bs at mtmail.mtsu.edu (James Alan Boehm)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 02:13:27 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] GRE Software
In-Reply-To: <70DBD3FA-78B4-4312-898D-56B9F9AC9AA5@nfbtx.org>
References: <74BE4A4A-FDB8-4C12-9A30-634273B8BCFE@mtmail.mtsu.edu>
	<70DBD3FA-78B4-4312-898D-56B9F9AC9AA5@nfbtx.org>
Message-ID: <59E16AB0-C605-4746-8778-9248513B68F5@mtmail.mtsu.edu>

Greetings. Thankyou for the quick reply. I am mentoring a genteman from Washington and he wanted to speak with someone who has actually used the software. Can I share with him your contact info?
Thanks
James Alan Boehm
Contact Information:
Phone: 901-483-1515
Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com
NFB Email: secretary at nfb-tn.org
Kustom Cane: kustomcane at gmail.com

Blindness never limits-low expectations do! Live the life you want!




> On Oct 17, 2016, at 9:05 PM, Jonathan Franks via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I have tested the software and it is accessible. The company that administers the exam can provide you a demo CD that helps you learn the software.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 17, 2016, at 8:46 PM, James Alan Boehm via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Good day friends.
>> I wanted to see if anyone on the list has used the software provided for the GRE exam? Please contact me offlsit at secretary at nfb-tn.org. I have a friend that is considering using the software the company provides with the test and is wanting to get some feedback on how it worked. I hope everyone is having a great semester! We are over half way through it now!Keep up the hard work!
>> Best,
>> 
>> James Alan Boehm
>> Contact Information:
>> Phone: 901-483-1515
>> Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com
>> NFB Email: secretary at nfb-tn.org
>> Kustom Cane: kustomcane at gmail.com
>> 
>> Blindness never limits-low expectations do! Live the life you want!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From awildheir at gmail.com  Tue Oct 18 17:20:09 2016
From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 13:20:09 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Guide Dogs and Bathrooms
Message-ID: <460EEA8C-B3BF-45EE-9B5D-C74B8008296E@gmail.com>

Hi there fellow NABSers.  Quick question.

If you use a guide dog and can only fit in the handicap stall, can you raise an issue if students are using that stall when others are available?

I have encountered this several times and have been late to class as a result.

Wanted to check before I said something to the school about it.


Aimee
Sent from my iPhone

From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 18 17:33:58 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 13:33:58 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Guide Dogs and Bathrooms
In-Reply-To: <460EEA8C-B3BF-45EE-9B5D-C74B8008296E@gmail.com>
References: <460EEA8C-B3BF-45EE-9B5D-C74B8008296E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <045f01d22965$cf8dad10$6ea90730$@gmail.com>

Technically speaking, you have to wait your turn like everyone else.  I may
bring it up with my professors if it becomes a real problem, but you don't
want to be that blind person who doesn't want to wait her turn for the
bathroom.  
Are their other placeswhere you can go to the bathroom on campus, maybe get
permission to use an employee bathroom in certain places on campus. 
Ket's try to find a work around first if possible.  I'm giving you this
suggestion without knowing the context, so if anyone else has suggestions,
please chime in.  
Justin
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Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 1:20 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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Subject: [nabs-l] Guide Dogs and Bathrooms

Hi there fellow NABSers.  Quick question.

If you use a guide dog and can only fit in the handicap stall, can you raise
an issue if students are using that stall when others are available?

I have encountered this several times and have been late to class as a
result.

Wanted to check before I said something to the school about it.


Aimee
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From awildheir at gmail.com  Tue Oct 18 18:07:57 2016
From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 14:07:57 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Guide Dogs and Bathrooms
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References: <460EEA8C-B3BF-45EE-9B5D-C74B8008296E@gmail.com>
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Hi Justin,

It isn't that I don't want to wait my turn. The issue is they do not have a disability and are only using it because they don't want to use the stall next to someone else.  For others, it is their go-to stall just for the heck of it.

There are only 2 ladies rooms, one up-stairs and one down stairs.  There are only 3 stalls in each.  The faculty lounge is off limits for students and therefore is not an option.

Any thoughts?

Aimee

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 18, 2016, at 1:33 PM, Justin Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Technically speaking, you have to wait your turn like everyone else.  I may
> bring it up with my professors if it becomes a real problem, but you don't
> want to be that blind person who doesn't want to wait her turn for the
> bathroom.  
> Are their other placeswhere you can go to the bathroom on campus, maybe get
> permission to use an employee bathroom in certain places on campus. 
> Ket's try to find a work around first if possible.  I'm giving you this
> suggestion without knowing the context, so if anyone else has suggestions,
> please chime in.  
> Justin
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee Harwood
> via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 1:20 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Aimee Harwood <awildheir at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Guide Dogs and Bathrooms
> 
> Hi there fellow NABSers.  Quick question.
> 
> If you use a guide dog and can only fit in the handicap stall, can you raise
> an issue if students are using that stall when others are available?
> 
> I have encountered this several times and have been late to class as a
> result.
> 
> Wanted to check before I said something to the school about it.
> 
> 
> Aimee
> Sent from my iPhone
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 18 18:47:51 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 14:47:51 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Guide Dogs and Bathrooms
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References: <460EEA8C-B3BF-45EE-9B5D-C74B8008296E@gmail.com>	<045f01d22965$cf8dad10$6ea90730$@gmail.com>
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Oh, I understand, I'm just saying that they have the right to use that stall
also; it's just that for you, it is realy inconvenient.  Maybe try talking
to the ladies in that area and explaining to them why that is really a
hendrence to you.  Or, asking the disability to allow you to have the staff
bathroom as an accommodation if the accessible stall is full.  That really
seems like a reasonable accommodation to me, because your disability and
having the guide dog is the only reason you are having difficulties in this
case.
I know it is usually off limits, but I don't see how to regulate who uses
the accessible bathroom stalls; I don't see a way for anyone to regulate
which stall someone else is using.  Yeah, their reasoning sucks, so that's
why I suggested trying to explain to people why that is really inconvenient
for you, but I don't know how to get a wide spread message out like that.
That's why I'm suggesting to find a way through the office of disabilities,
or just through the head person in the building to use the staff bathroom if
that other stall is full.  You can do that quietly without any of your
contemporaries knowing. 
Is there a building next door with easy access maybe That's also another
option.
 Justin 
-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee Harwood
via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 2:08 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Aimee Harwood <awildheir at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Guide Dogs and Bathrooms

Hi Justin,

It isn't that I don't want to wait my turn. The issue is they do not have a
disability and are only using it because they don't want to use the stall
next to someone else.  For others, it is their go-to stall just for the heck
of it.

There are only 2 ladies rooms, one up-stairs and one down stairs.  There are
only 3 stalls in each.  The faculty lounge is off limits for students and
therefore is not an option.

Any thoughts?

Aimee

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 18, 2016, at 1:33 PM, Justin Williams via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Technically speaking, you have to wait your turn like everyone else.  
> I may bring it up with my professors if it becomes a real problem, but 
> you don't want to be that blind person who doesn't want to wait her 
> turn for the bathroom.
> Are their other placeswhere you can go to the bathroom on campus, 
> maybe get permission to use an employee bathroom in certain places on
campus.
> Ket's try to find a work around first if possible.  I'm giving you 
> this suggestion without knowing the context, so if anyone else has 
> suggestions, please chime in.
> Justin
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee 
> Harwood via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 1:20 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Aimee Harwood <awildheir at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Guide Dogs and Bathrooms
> 
> Hi there fellow NABSers.  Quick question.
> 
> If you use a guide dog and can only fit in the handicap stall, can you 
> raise an issue if students are using that stall when others are available?
> 
> I have encountered this several times and have been late to class as a 
> result.
> 
> Wanted to check before I said something to the school about it.
> 
> 
> Aimee
> Sent from my iPhone
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From awildheir at gmail.com  Tue Oct 18 19:07:35 2016
From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 15:07:35 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Guide Dogs and Bathrooms
In-Reply-To: <049201d22970$219a9320$64cfb960$@gmail.com>
References: <460EEA8C-B3BF-45EE-9B5D-C74B8008296E@gmail.com>
	<045f01d22965$cf8dad10$6ea90730$@gmail.com>
	<BB224354-09F0-4ED6-8F31-C69C428280EB@gmail.com>
	<049201d22970$219a9320$64cfb960$@gmail.com>
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Ah gotcha Justin.  My school is small.  The other building is quite a ways away.  I'll see what I can come up with.  I usually do mention that it is the only one I can use when I find myself in that position and they apologize for making me wait.

Aimee

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 18, 2016, at 2:47 PM, Justin Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Oh, I understand, I'm just saying that they have the right to use that stall
> also; it's just that for you, it is realy inconvenient.  Maybe try talking
> to the ladies in that area and explaining to them why that is really a
> hendrence to you.  Or, asking the disability to allow you to have the staff
> bathroom as an accommodation if the accessible stall is full.  That really
> seems like a reasonable accommodation to me, because your disability and
> having the guide dog is the only reason you are having difficulties in this
> case.
> I know it is usually off limits, but I don't see how to regulate who uses
> the accessible bathroom stalls; I don't see a way for anyone to regulate
> which stall someone else is using.  Yeah, their reasoning sucks, so that's
> why I suggested trying to explain to people why that is really inconvenient
> for you, but I don't know how to get a wide spread message out like that.
> That's why I'm suggesting to find a way through the office of disabilities,
> or just through the head person in the building to use the staff bathroom if
> that other stall is full.  You can do that quietly without any of your
> contemporaries knowing. 
> Is there a building next door with easy access maybe That's also another
> option.
> Justin 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee Harwood
> via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 2:08 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Aimee Harwood <awildheir at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Guide Dogs and Bathrooms
> 
> Hi Justin,
> 
> It isn't that I don't want to wait my turn. The issue is they do not have a
> disability and are only using it because they don't want to use the stall
> next to someone else.  For others, it is their go-to stall just for the heck
> of it.
> 
> There are only 2 ladies rooms, one up-stairs and one down stairs.  There are
> only 3 stalls in each.  The faculty lounge is off limits for students and
> therefore is not an option.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Aimee
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Oct 18, 2016, at 1:33 PM, Justin Williams via NABS-L
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Technically speaking, you have to wait your turn like everyone else.  
>> I may bring it up with my professors if it becomes a real problem, but 
>> you don't want to be that blind person who doesn't want to wait her 
>> turn for the bathroom.
>> Are their other placeswhere you can go to the bathroom on campus, 
>> maybe get permission to use an employee bathroom in certain places on
> campus.
>> Ket's try to find a work around first if possible.  I'm giving you 
>> this suggestion without knowing the context, so if anyone else has 
>> suggestions, please chime in.
>> Justin
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee 
>> Harwood via NABS-L
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 1:20 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Aimee Harwood <awildheir at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Guide Dogs and Bathrooms
>> 
>> Hi there fellow NABSers.  Quick question.
>> 
>> If you use a guide dog and can only fit in the handicap stall, can you 
>> raise an issue if students are using that stall when others are available?
>> 
>> I have encountered this several times and have been late to class as a 
>> result.
>> 
>> Wanted to check before I said something to the school about it.
>> 
>> 
>> Aimee
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Tue Oct 18 19:36:27 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 12:36:27 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Guide Dogs and Bathrooms
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Hi Aimee,
I  am not a guide dog user, but as a college student I would do the following:
1. Are there any particular students that you know of who are doing this? You could approach them about it casually in a conversation, like "Hey Tammy, if you don't mind, could you use the regular stall when I'm around?  My guide dog won't be able to fit in the other stall, and I really don't want to be late for class."  You may have to do this with many people, but Tammy will probably not feel defensive and will appreciate your talking to her in a non-confrontational manner.
2. Failing that, do you have an RA? I know that at my school I can always talk to my RA about any issues. Occasionally, the RA's of my dorm have a meeting for all students known as a floor meeting, so maybe you could request one. Most likely, she'll probably have other issues to discuss during the meeting as well.  You could even ask her if you could make the announcement yourself: I believe that is what I would choose.
Vejas  


> On Oct 18, 2016, at 10:20, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi there fellow NABSers.  Quick question.
> 
> If you use a guide dog and can only fit in the handicap stall, can you raise an issue if students are using that stall when others are available?
> 
> I have encountered this several times and have been late to class as a result.
> 
> Wanted to check before I said something to the school about it.
> 
> 
> Aimee
> Sent from my iPhone
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Tue Oct 18 19:46:52 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 12:46:52 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Autocorrect Popup on Ios 10 with Braille display
Message-ID: <6F071422-7502-4CEF-951A-630C39A84014@gmail.com>

Hi All,
I have been running IOS  10 on my phone for about a month. My Brailleaillenote Apex is my Braille display.  I turned autocorrect off long ago because I  personally did not find it useful. A new autocorrect seems to be showing up, and one I can't turn off in Settings. If I don't hit the space bar soon enough after writing the word phone, for example, my display pops up with "phones menu  itm." It will also either correct spelling of words, or assume that you want a different spelling. I don't mind so much when the word clotheing automatically changes to clothing, but there are some instances where I do not find it at all necessary. For example, I was sending someone the name of something and the author's first name was Jelle. But my phone automatically corrected this to Joelle which luckily I spotted before sending.
I am not sure if this is a Braille display issue or IOS 10. Does anyone know how to turn it off?
I have already turned off both autocorrect and word predictive.
Thanks,
Vejas     

From lhnews at lighthouse-sf.org  Tue Oct 18 21:50:35 2016
From: lhnews at lighthouse-sf.org (LightHouse for the Blind and Visually Impaired)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 21:50:35 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Superfest is this weekend!
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5 Reasons to Buy Your Tickets Today

1. It’s Superfest’s 30th Anniversary and we’re having a big party!

2. The festival is emceed by 2 hilarious comedians with disabilities.

3. With a record number of submissions and films from around the globe, you'll love this line up!

4. Free access tours at The Contemporary Jewish Museum. Arrive early on Sunday for described and ASL interpreted tours of the museum.

5. Superfest is the most accessible film festival in the world—we have open captioning, audio description, live captioning, integrated seating for wheel chair riders, scent free zone, assisted listening devices, ASL interpreters, and more.

Saturday, October 22nd at 1:00 p.m. and 4:00 p.m.
The Magnes Collection of Jewish Art and Life, Berkeley

Sunday, October 23rd at 1:00 p.m.
The Contemporary Jewish Museum, San Francisco

Superfest International Disability Film Festival
www.superfestfilm.com


Tickets are now on sale for the 30th Anniversary Superfest International Disability Film Festival<http://www.superfestfilm.com/> co-coordinated by LightHouse for the Blind and San Francisco State’s Paul K. Longmore Institute On Saturday, October 22 and 23rd

Tickets to Saturday, October 22nd party and screenings at the Magnes Collection in Berkeley are available here.<http://lighthouse-sf.us8.list-manage.com/track/click?u=f40e17a83bbae60b5969a0798&id=7f17b3f888&e=508a148ae1>

Tickets for Sunday, October 23rd screenings at the Contemporary Jewish Museum in San Francisco are available here. <http://lighthouse-sf.us8.list-manage.com/track/click?u=f40e17a83bbae60b5969a0798&id=8ad77970b4&e=508a148ae1>


From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 18 21:51:43 2016
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 16:51:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Guide Dogs and Bathrooms
In-Reply-To: <A4A90DAF-57E2-4013-9A3B-9B4732BBB710@gmail.com>
References: <460EEA8C-B3BF-45EE-9B5D-C74B8008296E@gmail.com>
	<A4A90DAF-57E2-4013-9A3B-9B4732BBB710@gmail.com>
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Here is what i do if there is no big stall available. 
I have a small dog, but this also worked with my first, larger dog. 
I turn my dog so her rear end faces the stall opening, then encourage and gently push her back so she backs into the stall. She has enough space to squeeze between the toilet and the wall on my left side. I make her sit, then close the door. This should work for small to medium sized dogs. 
Hth, 
Aleeha and Whitley 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 18, 2016, at 2:36 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Aimee,
> I  am not a guide dog user, but as a college student I would do the following:
> 1. Are there any particular students that you know of who are doing this? You could approach them about it casually in a conversation, like "Hey Tammy, if you don't mind, could you use the regular stall when I'm around?  My guide dog won't be able to fit in the other stall, and I really don't want to be late for class."  You may have to do this with many people, but Tammy will probably not feel defensive and will appreciate your talking to her in a non-confrontational manner.
> 2. Failing that, do you have an RA? I know that at my school I can always talk to my RA about any issues. Occasionally, the RA's of my dorm have a meeting for all students known as a floor meeting, so maybe you could request one. Most likely, she'll probably have other issues to discuss during the meeting as well.  You could even ask her if you could make the announcement yourself: I believe that is what I would choose.
> Vejas  
> 
> 
>> On Oct 18, 2016, at 10:20, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there fellow NABSers.  Quick question.
>> 
>> If you use a guide dog and can only fit in the handicap stall, can you raise an issue if students are using that stall when others are available?
>> 
>> I have encountered this several times and have been late to class as a result.
>> 
>> Wanted to check before I said something to the school about it.
>> 
>> 
>> Aimee
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 18 23:22:26 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 19:22:26 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] youtube usability
Message-ID: <215451BD4C2145A69EF19984D6E43817@OwnerPC>

Hi all,

How usable and accessible is youtube? Using a windows pc, can you do most things on it such as create an account, subscribe to channels, and post comments? 
I’ve searched it  and played videos; the basics, but have not made a personal account yet.
Do you need a google email address to create an account?
Can you tell me about the process after you create the account? How do you find and subscribe to channels? And what is a channel anyways?

Also, can you create and upload videos, or does that require sighted help? If you can, what equipment do you use? Do you use a webcam and microphone, perhaps?

Thanks.
Ashley

From codeofdusk at gmail.com  Wed Oct 19 01:13:27 2016
From: codeofdusk at gmail.com (Bill Dengler)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 01:13:27 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Windows 10: Turning Off The Screen
Message-ID: <8A086124-BAF7-4058-BBA5-0D223B00D058@gmail.com>

Hello,
In earlier versions of windows (8.1, 8, 7, etc) you could run "displayswitch /external" from cmd or the run dialog, or press windows+p and select "second screen only" to turn off the monitor while still being able to use the machine with a screen reader.
This was useful on laptops, where battery life and privacy are concerns.
However, this feature seems to be unavailable in Windows 10 on a number of machines. For these systems, what is the best way to do this? Basically something like the "screen curtain" on Apple devices.

Thanks,
Bill

From kestomberg at coe.edu  Wed Oct 19 02:49:25 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 21:49:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Autocorrect Popup on Ios 10 with Braille display
In-Reply-To: <6F071422-7502-4CEF-951A-630C39A84014@gmail.com>
References: <6F071422-7502-4CEF-951A-630C39A84014@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B4463537-FC37-42BE-9BB5-DFBE335D570D@coe.edu>

I am having the same problem! I don't think it's a braille display issue, because I have a different display. I can't seem to turn it off in settings either. And I keep getting weird spelling things. Like, one time it corrected the word church to the word chicken. Does anyone know how to change this? How can we turn off of this new auto correct thing?

Kennedy Stomberg 
(218)295-2391 

> On Oct 18, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> I have been running IOS  10 on my phone for about a month. My Brailleaillenote Apex is my Braille display.  I turned autocorrect off long ago because I  personally did not find it useful. A new autocorrect seems to be showing up, and one I can't turn off in Settings. If I don't hit the space bar soon enough after writing the word phone, for example, my display pops up with "phones menu  itm." It will also either correct spelling of words, or assume that you want a different spelling. I don't mind so much when the word clotheing automatically changes to clothing, but there are some instances where I do not find it at all necessary. For example, I was sending someone the name of something and the author's first name was Jelle. But my phone automatically corrected this to Joelle which luckily I spotted before sending.
> I am not sure if this is a Braille display issue or IOS 10. Does anyone know how to turn it off?
> I have already turned off both autocorrect and word predictive.
> Thanks,
> Vejas     
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From emitchell927 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 19 04:01:01 2016
From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 00:01:01 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Citation of page numbers
Message-ID: <71A39093-A1EB-4BBF-B0A9-5D831736E1B0@gmail.com>

Hey, everyone 
I was wondering what to do when I have to cite a page number from an audiobook? I know learning ally provides them. What about Bookshare and liborvox? I don't know Braille and I always end up scared when I turn a paper in.
Emma

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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 19 04:39:49 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 00:39:49 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Citation of page numbers
Message-ID: <5806f91f.4b62370a.6c3ca.9835@mx.google.com>

Get the BRF file from Bookshare and read it with text to speech.  
Unfortunately not all Bookshare books are paginated because a lot 
of them are publisher provided as unpaginated ebooks, but I'd say 
the majority are.

 ----- Original Message -----
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Date sent: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 00:01:01 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Citation of page numbers

Hey, everyone
I was wondering what to do when I have to cite a page number from 
an audiobook? I know learning ally provides them. What about 
Bookshare and liborvox? I don't know Braille and I always end up 
scared when I turn a paper in.
Emma

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From louvins at gmail.com  Wed Oct 19 07:14:08 2016
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 02:14:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Citation of page numbers
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If your bookshare book has page numbers, just use them.  If you have
an audio book from say bard, or audible that doesn't have any page
numbers, then I'd use the chapter that your quote came from.  That's
what some of my professors told me at college I was supposed to do
when siting a quote from a book but didn't have the exact page number.
Good luck.

On 10/18/16, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Get the BRF file from Bookshare and read it with text to speech.
> Unfortunately not all Bookshare books are paginated because a lot
> of them are publisher provided as unpaginated ebooks, but I'd say
> the majority are.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 00:01:01 -0400
> Subject: [nabs-l] Citation of page numbers
>
> Hey, everyone
> I was wondering what to do when I have to cite a page number from
> an audiobook? I know learning ally provides them. What about
> Bookshare and liborvox? I don't know Braille and I always end up
> scared when I turn a paper in.
> Emma
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From taylorarndt99 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 19 10:56:33 2016
From: taylorarndt99 at gmail.com (Taylor Arndt)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 06:56:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Citation of page numbers
In-Reply-To: <5806f91f.4b62370a.6c3ca.9835@mx.google.com>
References: <5806f91f.4b62370a.6c3ca.9835@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <7AA97103-106F-4AC8-9C88-E4E177B602B2@gmail.com>

No book share no page numbers I would tell your professor ahead of time

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2016, at 12:39 AM, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Get the BRF file from Bookshare and read it with text to speech.  Unfortunately not all Bookshare books are paginated because a lot of them are publisher provided as unpaginated ebooks, but I'd say the majority are.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 00:01:01 -0400
> Subject: [nabs-l] Citation of page numbers
> 
> Hey, everyone
> I was wondering what to do when I have to cite a page number from an audiobook? I know learning ally provides them. What about Bookshare and liborvox? I don't know Braille and I always end up scared when I turn a paper in.
> Emma
> 
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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 19 14:41:15 2016
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 10:41:15 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Can I get rid of the Heather voice on my BN touch?
Message-ID: <5807860f.8953240a.8ed35.d2b0@mx.google.com>

Hi,
I don't like the Heather voice that comes with the BN touch. 
Is there a way I can get rid of it?
Thanks,
Jessica

From jameyanne at gmail.com  Wed Oct 19 14:51:59 2016
From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 10:51:59 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Can I get rid of the Heather voice on my BN touch?
In-Reply-To: <5807860f.8953240a.8ed35.d2b0@mx.google.com>
References: <5807860f.8953240a.8ed35.d2b0@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <001401d22a18$58ec5270$0ac4f750$@gmail.com>

You can download additional voices, and make them your primary voice. My
Touch is still getting repaired, so I can't tell you exactly where you do
this, but I think it's somewhere in the options menu. I don't think you can
actually get rid of Heather, but you don't have to hear her. I'm not sure
how you can listen to a sample of the other voices before downloading.
Honestly I didn't spend much time on it because I just turned speech off as
soon as I was comfortable with what I was doing. Hope this is at least
slightly helpful.

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jessica Dail
via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 10:41 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Jessica Dail <jldail13 at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Can I get rid of the Heather voice on my BN touch?

Hi,
I don't like the Heather voice that comes with the BN touch. 
Is there a way I can get rid of it?
Thanks,
Jessica
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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 19 15:11:08 2016
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 11:11:08 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Can I get rid of the Heather voice on my BN touch?
Message-ID: <58078d0e.cb0c6b0a.2b25c.16ee@mx.google.com>

Hi,
I've figured it out.

I'm happily using the Tom voice for 1 profile, and Micah for the other.
What happened that caused you to have to get yours repaired?

On Oct 19, 2016 10:51 AM, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> You can download additional voices, and make them your primary voice. My 
> Touch is still getting repaired, so I can't tell you exactly where you do 
> this, but I think it's somewhere in the options menu. I don't think you can 
> actually get rid of Heather, but you don't have to hear her. I'm not sure 
> how you can listen to a sample of the other voices before downloading. 
> Honestly I didn't spend much time on it because I just turned speech off as 
> soon as I was comfortable with what I was doing. Hope this is at least 
> slightly helpful. 
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jessica Dail 
> via NABS-L 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 10:41 AM 
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
> Cc: Jessica Dail <jldail13 at gmail.com> 
> Subject: [nabs-l] Can I get rid of the Heather voice on my BN touch? 
>
> Hi, 
> I don't like the Heather voice that comes with the BN touch. 
> Is there a way I can get rid of it? 
> Thanks, 
> Jessica 
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From jameyanne at gmail.com  Wed Oct 19 15:25:19 2016
From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 11:25:19 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Can I get rid of the Heather voice on my BN touch?
In-Reply-To: <58078d0e.cb0c6b0a.2b25c.16ee@mx.google.com>
References: <58078d0e.cb0c6b0a.2b25c.16ee@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <003d01d22a1d$00dd7fa0$02987ee0$@gmail.com>

So first the motherboard died and had to be replaced, and then, a few weeks
later, something went wrong with the screen and every time the Touch was at
all tilted it responded like I was pressing down dot 3 on the screen, so my
documents were getting full of apostrophes or if I wasn't in a document it
was just jumping around a lot. They said I wasn't the only one with problems
with the screen and there was an expedited repair process... three weeks
ago. I should be getting it back tomorrow, but knowing my luck at this point
it will probably get lost in the mail or something. 
Sorry for the rant. I hate using my laptop in class. I have a really hard
time paying attention to both JAWS and my professor. But my Apex keeps
freezing every five minutes when I'm taking notes, so I'm out of options.

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jessica Dail
via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 11:11 AM
To: Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Jessica Dail <jldail13 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Can I get rid of the Heather voice on my BN touch?

Hi,
I've figured it out.

I'm happily using the Tom voice for 1 profile, and Micah for the other.
What happened that caused you to have to get yours repaired?

On Oct 19, 2016 10:51 AM, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>
> You can download additional voices, and make them your primary voice. My 
> Touch is still getting repaired, so I can't tell you exactly where you do 
> this, but I think it's somewhere in the options menu. I don't think you
can 
> actually get rid of Heather, but you don't have to hear her. I'm not sure 
> how you can listen to a sample of the other voices before downloading. 
> Honestly I didn't spend much time on it because I just turned speech off
as 
> soon as I was comfortable with what I was doing. Hope this is at least 
> slightly helpful. 
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jessica Dail 
> via NABS-L 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 10:41 AM 
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
> Cc: Jessica Dail <jldail13 at gmail.com> 
> Subject: [nabs-l] Can I get rid of the Heather voice on my BN touch? 
>
> Hi, 
> I don't like the Heather voice that comes with the BN touch. 
> Is there a way I can get rid of it? 
> Thanks, 
> Jessica 
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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 19 15:35:16 2016
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 11:35:16 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Can I get rid of the Heather voice on my BN touch?
Message-ID: <580792b9.458f6b0a.1006f.32fd@mx.google.com>

Hi,
How can I adjust the TTS volume separate from that of music?
Thanks,
Jessica

On Oct 19, 2016 11:25 AM, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> So first the motherboard died and had to be replaced, and then, a few weeks 
> later, something went wrong with the screen and every time the Touch was at 
> all tilted it responded like I was pressing down dot 3 on the screen, so my 
> documents were getting full of apostrophes or if I wasn't in a document it 
> was just jumping around a lot. They said I wasn't the only one with problems 
> with the screen and there was an expedited repair process... three weeks 
> ago. I should be getting it back tomorrow, but knowing my luck at this point 
> it will probably get lost in the mail or something. 
> Sorry for the rant. I hate using my laptop in class. I have a really hard 
> time paying attention to both JAWS and my professor. But my Apex keeps 
> freezing every five minutes when I'm taking notes, so I'm out of options. 
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jessica Dail 
> via NABS-L 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 11:11 AM 
> To: Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
> Cc: Jessica Dail <jldail13 at gmail.com> 
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Can I get rid of the Heather voice on my BN touch? 
>
> Hi, 
> I've figured it out. 
>
> I'm happily using the Tom voice for 1 profile, and Micah for the other. 
> What happened that caused you to have to get yours repaired? 
>
> On Oct 19, 2016 10:51 AM, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
> wrote: 
> > 
> > You can download additional voices, and make them your primary voice. My 
> > Touch is still getting repaired, so I can't tell you exactly where you do 
> > this, but I think it's somewhere in the options menu. I don't think you 
> can 
> > actually get rid of Heather, but you don't have to hear her. I'm not sure 
> > how you can listen to a sample of the other voices before downloading. 
> > Honestly I didn't spend much time on it because I just turned speech off 
> as 
> > soon as I was comfortable with what I was doing. Hope this is at least 
> > slightly helpful. 
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jessica Dail 
> > via NABS-L 
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 10:41 AM 
> > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
> > Cc: Jessica Dail <jldail13 at gmail.com> 
> > Subject: [nabs-l] Can I get rid of the Heather voice on my BN touch? 
> > 
> > Hi, 
> > I don't like the Heather voice that comes with the BN touch. 
> > Is there a way I can get rid of it? 
> > Thanks, 
> > Jessica 
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From awildheir at gmail.com  Wed Oct 19 16:55:31 2016
From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 12:55:31 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Windows 10: Turning Off The Screen
In-Reply-To: <8A086124-BAF7-4058-BBA5-0D223B00D058@gmail.com>
References: <8A086124-BAF7-4058-BBA5-0D223B00D058@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8C41F627-D25A-4E82-9FF2-5DF77247C36E@gmail.com>

I use function key + F9. I have a lenovo yoga 13" laptop.

Aimee

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 18, 2016, at 9:13 PM, Bill Dengler via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> In earlier versions of windows (8.1, 8, 7, etc) you could run "displayswitch /external" from cmd or the run dialog, or press windows+p and select "second screen only" to turn off the monitor while still being able to use the machine with a screen reader.
> This was useful on laptops, where battery life and privacy are concerns.
> However, this feature seems to be unavailable in Windows 10 on a number of machines. For these systems, what is the best way to do this? Basically something like the "screen curtain" on Apple devices.
> 
> Thanks,
> Bill
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From mausbun at unr.edu  Wed Oct 19 18:02:03 2016
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 18:02:03 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Legislative Committee
Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B236E2953@UBOX2.unr.edu>

Greetings NABSters:
	The legislative committee will be meeting this Sunday, 10/23 at 9:00 Eastern. The agenda is pasted below for your convenience.
The call in and access information is:
Number: (530) 881-1212
Access code: 757-809-541

Agenda:
•	Introductions
•	Chair and co-chair updates
•	Updates from the committee
•	Call for letters
•	Washington Seminar
•	Announcements from other committees
•	Institution resolutions update
Adjournment


Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun
Secretary, National Association of Blind Students


From carlymih at comcast.net  Wed Oct 19 20:30:35 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 13:30:35 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Guide Dogs and Bathrooms
In-Reply-To: <EB152E06-488D-4BEE-8A50-73AD3B8E3F42@gmail.com>
References: <460EEA8C-B3BF-45EE-9B5D-C74B8008296E@gmail.com>
	<045f01d22965$cf8dad10$6ea90730$@gmail.com>
	<BB224354-09F0-4ED6-8F31-C69C428280EB@gmail.com>
	<049201d22970$219a9320$64cfb960$@gmail.com>
	<EB152E06-488D-4BEE-8A50-73AD3B8E3F42@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.294.1772982283.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Afternoon, Amy, Justin and other interesteds,

Don't know how old this might be, the so-called accessible bathroom 
stall, as I see it, is exactly that, accessible to people who need 
special stalls for any reason, chairs, guide dogs and other what have 
you's. What's the big deal, guys?
CarAt 12:07 PM 10/18/2016, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L wrote:
>Ah gotcha Justin.  My school is small.  The other building is quite 
>a ways away.  I'll see what I can come up with.  I usually do 
>mention that it is the only one I can use when I find myself in that 
>position and they apologize for making me wait.
>
>Aimee
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 18, 2016, at 2:47 PM, Justin Williams via NABS-L 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Oh, I understand, I'm just saying that they have the right to use 
> that stall
> > also; it's just that for you, it is realy inconvenient.  Maybe try talking
> > to the ladies in that area and explaining to them why that is really a
> > hendrence to you.  Or, asking the disability to allow you to have the staff
> > bathroom as an accommodation if the accessible stall is full.  That really
> > seems like a reasonable accommodation to me, because your disability and
> > having the guide dog is the only reason you are having difficulties in this
> > case.
> > I know it is usually off limits, but I don't see how to regulate who uses
> > the accessible bathroom stalls; I don't see a way for anyone to regulate
> > which stall someone else is using.  Yeah, their reasoning sucks, so that's
> > why I suggested trying to explain to people why that is really inconvenient
> > for you, but I don't know how to get a wide spread message out like that.
> > That's why I'm suggesting to find a way through the office of disabilities,
> > or just through the head person in the building to use the staff 
> bathroom if
> > that other stall is full.  You can do that quietly without any of your
> > contemporaries knowing.
> > Is there a building next door with easy access maybe That's also another
> > option.
> > Justin
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee Harwood
> > via NABS-L
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 2:08 PM
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Aimee Harwood <awildheir at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Guide Dogs and Bathrooms
> >
> > Hi Justin,
> >
> > It isn't that I don't want to wait my turn. The issue is they do not have a
> > disability and are only using it because they don't want to use the stall
> > next to someone else.  For others, it is their go-to stall just 
> for the heck
> > of it.
> >
> > There are only 2 ladies rooms, one up-stairs and one down 
> stairs.  There are
> > only 3 stalls in each.  The faculty lounge is off limits for students and
> > therefore is not an option.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > Aimee
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >>> On Oct 18, 2016, at 1:33 PM, Justin Williams via NABS-L
> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Technically speaking, you have to wait your turn like everyone else.
> >> I may bring it up with my professors if it becomes a real problem, but
> >> you don't want to be that blind person who doesn't want to wait her
> >> turn for the bathroom.
> >> Are their other placeswhere you can go to the bathroom on campus,
> >> maybe get permission to use an employee bathroom in certain places on
> > campus.
> >> Ket's try to find a work around first if possible.  I'm giving you
> >> this suggestion without knowing the context, so if anyone else has
> >> suggestions, please chime in.
> >> Justin
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee
> >> Harwood via NABS-L
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 1:20 PM
> >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> Cc: Aimee Harwood <awildheir at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Guide Dogs and Bathrooms
> >>
> >> Hi there fellow NABSers.  Quick question.
> >>
> >> If you use a guide dog and can only fit in the handicap stall, can you
> >> raise an issue if students are using that stall when others are available?
> >>
> >> I have encountered this several times and have been late to class as a
> >> result.
> >>
> >> Wanted to check before I said something to the school about it.
> >>
> >>
> >> Aimee
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >>
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From kaybaycar at gmail.com  Wed Oct 19 21:08:09 2016
From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 15:08:09 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Guide Dogs and Bathrooms
In-Reply-To: <5807d82e.8925370a.ed0c4.a0a1SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
References: <460EEA8C-B3BF-45EE-9B5D-C74B8008296E@gmail.com>
	<045f01d22965$cf8dad10$6ea90730$@gmail.com>
	<BB224354-09F0-4ED6-8F31-C69C428280EB@gmail.com>
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Hi Aimee,

You can also tell your dog to stay outside the door of your stall,
take the leash, and pull it under the door with you.  So, you'll have
the leash in your hand, but the dog won't go in there with you.
Unless your dog is super distracted by people, this should work just
fine.  You can even give yourself a long leash if you find that works
better for you.

Hope that helps you.

On 10/19/16, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Afternoon, Amy, Justin and other interesteds,
>
> Don't know how old this might be, the so-called accessible bathroom
> stall, as I see it, is exactly that, accessible to people who need
> special stalls for any reason, chairs, guide dogs and other what have
> you's. What's the big deal, guys?
> CarAt 12:07 PM 10/18/2016, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L wrote:
>>Ah gotcha Justin.  My school is small.  The other building is quite
>>a ways away.  I'll see what I can come up with.  I usually do
>>mention that it is the only one I can use when I find myself in that
>>position and they apologize for making me wait.
>>
>>Aimee
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Oct 18, 2016, at 2:47 PM, Justin Williams via NABS-L
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Oh, I understand, I'm just saying that they have the right to use
>> that stall
>> > also; it's just that for you, it is realy inconvenient.  Maybe try
>> > talking
>> > to the ladies in that area and explaining to them why that is really a
>> > hendrence to you.  Or, asking the disability to allow you to have the
>> > staff
>> > bathroom as an accommodation if the accessible stall is full.  That
>> > really
>> > seems like a reasonable accommodation to me, because your disability
>> > and
>> > having the guide dog is the only reason you are having difficulties in
>> > this
>> > case.
>> > I know it is usually off limits, but I don't see how to regulate who
>> > uses
>> > the accessible bathroom stalls; I don't see a way for anyone to
>> > regulate
>> > which stall someone else is using.  Yeah, their reasoning sucks, so
>> > that's
>> > why I suggested trying to explain to people why that is really
>> > inconvenient
>> > for you, but I don't know how to get a wide spread message out like
>> > that.
>> > That's why I'm suggesting to find a way through the office of
>> > disabilities,
>> > or just through the head person in the building to use the staff
>> bathroom if
>> > that other stall is full.  You can do that quietly without any of your
>> > contemporaries knowing.
>> > Is there a building next door with easy access maybe That's also
>> > another
>> > option.
>> > Justin
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee
>> > Harwood
>> > via NABS-L
>> > Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 2:08 PM
>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> > Cc: Aimee Harwood <awildheir at gmail.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Guide Dogs and Bathrooms
>> >
>> > Hi Justin,
>> >
>> > It isn't that I don't want to wait my turn. The issue is they do not
>> > have a
>> > disability and are only using it because they don't want to use the
>> > stall
>> > next to someone else.  For others, it is their go-to stall just
>> for the heck
>> > of it.
>> >
>> > There are only 2 ladies rooms, one up-stairs and one down
>> stairs.  There are
>> > only 3 stalls in each.  The faculty lounge is off limits for students
>> > and
>> > therefore is not an option.
>> >
>> > Any thoughts?
>> >
>> > Aimee
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >>> On Oct 18, 2016, at 1:33 PM, Justin Williams via NABS-L
>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Technically speaking, you have to wait your turn like everyone else.
>> >> I may bring it up with my professors if it becomes a real problem, but
>> >> you don't want to be that blind person who doesn't want to wait her
>> >> turn for the bathroom.
>> >> Are their other placeswhere you can go to the bathroom on campus,
>> >> maybe get permission to use an employee bathroom in certain places on
>> > campus.
>> >> Ket's try to find a work around first if possible.  I'm giving you
>> >> this suggestion without knowing the context, so if anyone else has
>> >> suggestions, please chime in.
>> >> Justin
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee
>> >> Harwood via NABS-L
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 1:20 PM
>> >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >> Cc: Aimee Harwood <awildheir at gmail.com>
>> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Guide Dogs and Bathrooms
>> >>
>> >> Hi there fellow NABSers.  Quick question.
>> >>
>> >> If you use a guide dog and can only fit in the handicap stall, can you
>> >> raise an issue if students are using that stall when others are
>> >> available?
>> >>
>> >> I have encountered this several times and have been late to class as a
>> >> result.
>> >>
>> >> Wanted to check before I said something to the school about it.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Aimee
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> NABS-L mailing list
>> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> >> NABS-L:
>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4
>> >> 0gmail
>> >> .com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >> com
>> >
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>> >
>> >
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President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division,
Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri
"For we walk by faith, not by sight"
2 Cor. 7


From awildheir at gmail.com  Thu Oct 20 00:38:25 2016
From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 20:38:25 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Guide Dogs and Bathrooms
In-Reply-To: <CAHox4DJ-zEzFDYWaHP+MN0d=nTmtaze6r4aTJYurAX_7xZb=dA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <460EEA8C-B3BF-45EE-9B5D-C74B8008296E@gmail.com>
	<045f01d22965$cf8dad10$6ea90730$@gmail.com>
	<BB224354-09F0-4ED6-8F31-C69C428280EB@gmail.com>
	<049201d22970$219a9320$64cfb960$@gmail.com>
	<EB152E06-488D-4BEE-8A50-73AD3B8E3F42@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <3CB60476-9DDC-4960-82BD-CF202E43D981@gmail.com>

Hello Julie,

I can try that in the first stall.  I think she will block the way to the last stall if I do that in the middle one.  It is worth a try.  Thank you.


Aimee

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2016, at 5:08 PM, Julie McGinnity via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Aimee,
> 
> You can also tell your dog to stay outside the door of your stall,
> take the leash, and pull it under the door with you.  So, you'll have
> the leash in your hand, but the dog won't go in there with you.
> Unless your dog is super distracted by people, this should work just
> fine.  You can even give yourself a long leash if you find that works
> better for you.
> 
> Hope that helps you.
> 
>> On 10/19/16, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Afternoon, Amy, Justin and other interesteds,
>> 
>> Don't know how old this might be, the so-called accessible bathroom
>> stall, as I see it, is exactly that, accessible to people who need
>> special stalls for any reason, chairs, guide dogs and other what have
>> you's. What's the big deal, guys?
>> CarAt 12:07 PM 10/18/2016, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L wrote:
>>> Ah gotcha Justin.  My school is small.  The other building is quite
>>> a ways away.  I'll see what I can come up with.  I usually do
>>> mention that it is the only one I can use when I find myself in that
>>> position and they apologize for making me wait.
>>> 
>>> Aimee
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 18, 2016, at 2:47 PM, Justin Williams via NABS-L
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Oh, I understand, I'm just saying that they have the right to use
>>> that stall
>>>> also; it's just that for you, it is realy inconvenient.  Maybe try
>>>> talking
>>>> to the ladies in that area and explaining to them why that is really a
>>>> hendrence to you.  Or, asking the disability to allow you to have the
>>>> staff
>>>> bathroom as an accommodation if the accessible stall is full.  That
>>>> really
>>>> seems like a reasonable accommodation to me, because your disability
>>>> and
>>>> having the guide dog is the only reason you are having difficulties in
>>>> this
>>>> case.
>>>> I know it is usually off limits, but I don't see how to regulate who
>>>> uses
>>>> the accessible bathroom stalls; I don't see a way for anyone to
>>>> regulate
>>>> which stall someone else is using.  Yeah, their reasoning sucks, so
>>>> that's
>>>> why I suggested trying to explain to people why that is really
>>>> inconvenient
>>>> for you, but I don't know how to get a wide spread message out like
>>>> that.
>>>> That's why I'm suggesting to find a way through the office of
>>>> disabilities,
>>>> or just through the head person in the building to use the staff
>>> bathroom if
>>>> that other stall is full.  You can do that quietly without any of your
>>>> contemporaries knowing.
>>>> Is there a building next door with easy access maybe That's also
>>>> another
>>>> option.
>>>> Justin
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee
>>>> Harwood
>>>> via NABS-L
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 2:08 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Aimee Harwood <awildheir at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Guide Dogs and Bathrooms
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Justin,
>>>> 
>>>> It isn't that I don't want to wait my turn. The issue is they do not
>>>> have a
>>>> disability and are only using it because they don't want to use the
>>>> stall
>>>> next to someone else.  For others, it is their go-to stall just
>>> for the heck
>>>> of it.
>>>> 
>>>> There are only 2 ladies rooms, one up-stairs and one down
>>> stairs.  There are
>>>> only 3 stalls in each.  The faculty lounge is off limits for students
>>>> and
>>>> therefore is not an option.
>>>> 
>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>> 
>>>> Aimee
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 18, 2016, at 1:33 PM, Justin Williams via NABS-L
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Technically speaking, you have to wait your turn like everyone else.
>>>>> I may bring it up with my professors if it becomes a real problem, but
>>>>> you don't want to be that blind person who doesn't want to wait her
>>>>> turn for the bathroom.
>>>>> Are their other placeswhere you can go to the bathroom on campus,
>>>>> maybe get permission to use an employee bathroom in certain places on
>>>> campus.
>>>>> Ket's try to find a work around first if possible.  I'm giving you
>>>>> this suggestion without knowing the context, so if anyone else has
>>>>> suggestions, please chime in.
>>>>> Justin
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee
>>>>> Harwood via NABS-L
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 1:20 PM
>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Cc: Aimee Harwood <awildheir at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Guide Dogs and Bathrooms
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi there fellow NABSers.  Quick question.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you use a guide dog and can only fit in the handicap stall, can you
>>>>> raise an issue if students are using that stall when others are
>>>>> available?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have encountered this several times and have been late to class as a
>>>>> result.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wanted to check before I said something to the school about it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Aimee
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> NABS-L:
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4
>>>>> 0gmail
>>>>> .com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>>>> com
>>>> 
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>> 
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> 
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> President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division,
> Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri
> "For we walk by faith, not by sight"
> 2 Cor. 7
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From jameyanne at gmail.com  Thu Oct 20 23:53:15 2016
From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 19:53:15 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] app to read epub files on braillenote touch?
Message-ID: <009001d22b2d$20568730$61039590$@gmail.com>

Hi all,

I'm wondering if any of the BrailleNote Touch users out there have found a
good app to read epub files. I read somewhere that Go Read will do it, but
when I open an epub with Go Read, it just says reading pane and I can't
actually read the book. So I'm curious if anyone has found alternative apps
that will read epub files.

Thanks for your help.

Jameyanne


From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 21 02:02:55 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 02:02:55 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Where Can I Turn For Some Help?
Message-ID: <SN1PR12MB0159774C0629071A11021322BAD40@SN1PR12MB0159.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Hello All,

So the semester I thought would actually turn out well has just started taking a horrible turn for the worsts. I need some help in figuring out how to find a new reader that is not connected to the disabilities office despite the fact that I do not have any money. I also need help in figuring out my accommodations for my classes next semester. And I need help figuring out how I can find someone to help me communicate with the disabilities office.

I really hate being a blind student who has other disabilities in addition to my blindness. I have no idea how the hell to keep up my grades for this semester without going completely insane. And I honestly have no idea how the hell I am ever going to be able to complete my science and math classes so that I can actually get my degree.

I know the NFB does not help individual cases like mine, so if anyone has any ideas as to where I could find a person I could actually talk to who might be able to help me figure some of this stuff out, I would greatly appreciate hearing from you. I really wish I had known that I was going to be losing what little support I receive from the disabilities office in the middle of the semester. It has turned into a mess that is too complicated for me.

But please do not tell me that attending an NFB training center is the answer for me as I do not have the money for that either.

Thanks,
Elizabeth

From louvins at gmail.com  Fri Oct 21 02:36:31 2016
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 21:36:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] app to read epub files on braillenote touch?
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Just open up an epub file with the victor reader program on the touch.
That can read .epub files.  You don't need any special ap to read
.epub files.  Good luck.

On 10/20/16, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm wondering if any of the BrailleNote Touch users out there have found a
> good app to read epub files. I read somewhere that Go Read will do it, but
> when I open an epub with Go Read, it just says reading pane and I can't
> actually read the book. So I'm curious if anyone has found alternative apps
> that will read epub files.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Jameyanne
>
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 21 02:51:02 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 02:51:02 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Another Questions about Professors
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Hello All,

In addition to the problems I am facing in terms of my accommodations falling through for my science class, I also have a bit of a problem with my professor for my sociology class. He thinks I am the most amazing person for being able to do things as a blind person. I have received attitudes like this from other sighted people in the past, but never from a professor, or nothing that was this bad. Even after walking out with me from class to the bus stop and watching me find a phone number I recorded on my Victor Stream to call someone on my IPhone, he still somehow thinks I am the most amazing person simply because I can do things even though I am blind.

I really do not want to drop this class because I really enjoy this class. I find the subject matter to be interesting. I find the personal stories the professor shares with the class when he explains things to us in class. And I like the fact that the accommodations are fairly simple and straight forward in that I really do not need to do all that much in terms of accommodations for this class.

However, the fact that this professor keeps telling me how I am this amazing person simply because I can do things as a blind person is really starting to annoy me. I thought if I simply ignored these comments that they would go away. But they do not seem to be going away, and I honestly am not quite sure what to say to my professor to make him understand that my blindness really does not need to be as big of a deal as he is making it out to be.

So does anyone have any ideas as to how I can go about dealing with a professor who is overly annoying about how I am this amazing person simply because I can do things as a blind person? I am really beginning to think that sighted people are incapable of being able to understand blindness. So any thoughts or ideas anyone may have in regards to dealing with this situation would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Elizabeth

From chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 21 03:12:34 2016
From: chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com (chelsea peahl)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 03:12:34 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Another Questions about Professors
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I've had a professor like that, but I honestly just talked to her about it. For me, it was that simple. She is now one of my favorite people and I have a great relationship with her outside of campus life. Just explain that just because you are doing something a little differently than they are used to, your are still doing the same thing that they do and that specialized equipment lost the "cool" factor after the first use. Everyone is human and mistakes happen, just continue to remind him. I don't feel like it's a reason to drop the class.

Chelsea Peahl

> On Oct 20, 2016, at 8:52 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> In addition to the problems I am facing in terms of my accommodations falling through for my science class, I also have a bit of a problem with my professor for my sociology class. He thinks I am the most amazing person for being able to do things as a blind person. I have received attitudes like this from other sighted people in the past, but never from a professor, or nothing that was this bad. Even after walking out with me from class to the bus stop and watching me find a phone number I recorded on my Victor Stream to call someone on my IPhone, he still somehow thinks I am the most amazing person simply because I can do things even though I am blind.
> 
> I really do not want to drop this class because I really enjoy this class. I find the subject matter to be interesting. I find the personal stories the professor shares with the class when he explains things to us in class. And I like the fact that the accommodations are fairly simple and straight forward in that I really do not need to do all that much in terms of accommodations for this class.
> 
> However, the fact that this professor keeps telling me how I am this amazing person simply because I can do things as a blind person is really starting to annoy me. I thought if I simply ignored these comments that they would go away. But they do not seem to be going away, and I honestly am not quite sure what to say to my professor to make him understand that my blindness really does not need to be as big of a deal as he is making it out to be.
> 
> So does anyone have any ideas as to how I can go about dealing with a professor who is overly annoying about how I am this amazing person simply because I can do things as a blind person? I am really beginning to think that sighted people are incapable of being able to understand blindness. So any thoughts or ideas anyone may have in regards to dealing with this situation would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
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From kestomberg at coe.edu  Fri Oct 21 03:23:40 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 22:23:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Another Questions about Professors
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The one good thing about what you were dealing with is that your professor will likely listen to you. Ask has already been said, just talk to him. He respectful as I know you are. Be gentle and diplomatic if you can. (I know that can be hard sometimes. :-)) but I think things will work out for you. He is seeing you be successful, and he is trying to put himself in your shoes. He doesn't think that if he were blind he would be able to be that successful. But of course that is not the case. I am sure it is just a matter of having a conversation. :-) Good luck! Let us know how it goes. :-)

Kennedy Stomberg 
(218)295-2391 

> On Oct 20, 2016, at 10:12 PM, chelsea peahl via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I've had a professor like that, but I honestly just talked to her about it. For me, it was that simple. She is now one of my favorite people and I have a great relationship with her outside of campus life. Just explain that just because you are doing something a little differently than they are used to, your are still doing the same thing that they do and that specialized equipment lost the "cool" factor after the first use. Everyone is human and mistakes happen, just continue to remind him. I don't feel like it's a reason to drop the class.
> 
> Chelsea Peahl
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2016, at 8:52 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> In addition to the problems I am facing in terms of my accommodations falling through for my science class, I also have a bit of a problem with my professor for my sociology class. He thinks I am the most amazing person for being able to do things as a blind person. I have received attitudes like this from other sighted people in the past, but never from a professor, or nothing that was this bad. Even after walking out with me from class to the bus stop and watching me find a phone number I recorded on my Victor Stream to call someone on my IPhone, he still somehow thinks I am the most amazing person simply because I can do things even though I am blind.
>> 
>> I really do not want to drop this class because I really enjoy this class. I find the subject matter to be interesting. I find the personal stories the professor shares with the class when he explains things to us in class. And I like the fact that the accommodations are fairly simple and straight forward in that I really do not need to do all that much in terms of accommodations for this class.
>> 
>> However, the fact that this professor keeps telling me how I am this amazing person simply because I can do things as a blind person is really starting to annoy me. I thought if I simply ignored these comments that they would go away. But they do not seem to be going away, and I honestly am not quite sure what to say to my professor to make him understand that my blindness really does not need to be as big of a deal as he is making it out to be.
>> 
>> So does anyone have any ideas as to how I can go about dealing with a professor who is overly annoying about how I am this amazing person simply because I can do things as a blind person? I am really beginning to think that sighted people are incapable of being able to understand blindness. So any thoughts or ideas anyone may have in regards to dealing with this situation would be greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Elizabeth
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 21 03:38:23 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 03:38:23 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Another Questions about Professors
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Hello All,

Thank you for your responses so far. However, how exactly do I have a conversation with my professor if I have absolutely no idea what to say to him? He is starting to make me feel rather uncomfortable. Someone else said that I should just ignore him, but the only real way to ignore him is to drop his class. I cannot enter or exit the classroom without him saying something to me or getting up from the desk to open the door for me. So if you believe the solution to this problem is to talk to my professor, what exactly am I supposed to say to him? My ideas are really not all that friendly considering the fact that I have had an absolutely horrible week. 

Thanks,
Elizabeth



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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Another Questions about Professors

The one good thing about what you were dealing with is that your professor will likely listen to you. Ask has already been said, just talk to him. He respectful as I know you are. Be gentle and diplomatic if you can. (I know that can be hard sometimes. :-)) but I think things will work out for you. He is seeing you be successful, and he is trying to put himself in your shoes. He doesn't think that if he were blind he would be able to be that successful. But of course that is not the case. I am sure it is just a matter of having a conversation. :-) Good luck! Let us know how it goes. :-)

Kennedy Stomberg 
(218)295-2391 

> On Oct 20, 2016, at 10:12 PM, chelsea peahl via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I've had a professor like that, but I honestly just talked to her about it. For me, it was that simple. She is now one of my favorite people and I have a great relationship with her outside of campus life. Just explain that just because you are doing something a little differently than they are used to, your are still doing the same thing that they do and that specialized equipment lost the "cool" factor after the first use. Everyone is human and mistakes happen, just continue to remind him. I don't feel like it's a reason to drop the class.
> 
> Chelsea Peahl
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2016, at 8:52 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> In addition to the problems I am facing in terms of my accommodations falling through for my science class, I also have a bit of a problem with my professor for my sociology class. He thinks I am the most amazing person for being able to do things as a blind person. I have received attitudes like this from other sighted people in the past, but never from a professor, or nothing that was this bad. Even after walking out with me from class to the bus stop and watching me find a phone number I recorded on my Victor Stream to call someone on my IPhone, he still somehow thinks I am the most amazing person simply because I can do things even though I am blind.
>> 
>> I really do not want to drop this class because I really enjoy this class. I find the subject matter to be interesting. I find the personal stories the professor shares with the class when he explains things to us in class. And I like the fact that the accommodations are fairly simple and straight forward in that I really do not need to do all that much in terms of accommodations for this class.
>> 
>> However, the fact that this professor keeps telling me how I am this amazing person simply because I can do things as a blind person is really starting to annoy me. I thought if I simply ignored these comments that they would go away. But they do not seem to be going away, and I honestly am not quite sure what to say to my professor to make him understand that my blindness really does not need to be as big of a deal as he is making it out to be.
>> 
>> So does anyone have any ideas as to how I can go about dealing with a professor who is overly annoying about how I am this amazing person simply because I can do things as a blind person? I am really beginning to think that sighted people are incapable of being able to understand blindness. So any thoughts or ideas anyone may have in regards to dealing with this situation would be greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Elizabeth
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From kestomberg at coe.edu  Fri Oct 21 03:42:13 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 22:42:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Where Can I Turn For Some Help?
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Hello. Don't worry. :-) I'm not here to tell you to attend the training center. First off, in terms of readers… The beautiful thing about your situation is that you go to college. That gives you options.
One option is to try to get someone from your class to help you. Someone from your class is already studying the same material, and if your schedules work, it could work very well for them to help you. They would be learning. And you wouldn't have to pay them. Another option might seem a bit silly, but it does work on college students. Sometimes, hiring a reader is a simple as offering to take them to lunch. Or get them a cup of coffee. Or something like that. But you definitely do not need your disabilities  Office to do that.
As for finding someone who can talk to disabilities office and advocate for you, I'm afraid I don't have an answer to that right now. My best suggestion would be to go to someone higher up in the administration. This can seem a bit scary, but I think it may be appropriate for your situation. 
When it comes to completing math and science classes, I am not certain. What I mean by this is that it depends. It really depends on what math or science classes you plan to take. If you would be willing to explore this a bit further, I would be willing to help you. I am a student who is manage to find both great success and joy from math and science classes at my university. If you have specific classes in mind that you would like to take, we could talk about  what you would need in terms of accommodations for those classes. If you are looking to find the easiest math and science classes that will require the least amount of accommodations, we could talk about that too. My number is posted at the bottom of this email. If you feel comfortable with this, why don't you give me a call in the next week or so, and we can talk about it? That is a conversation that is best had in person in my opinion. Others may disagree with me, and you may find someone who you find will be more helpful, but I am absolutely willing to help! Because believe me, I know what it is to not have the accommodations you need and science classes.
Good luck!
Kennedy

Kennedy Stomberg 
(218)295-2391 

> On Oct 20, 2016, at 9:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> So the semester I thought would actually turn out well has just started taking a horrible turn for the worsts. I need some help in figuring out how to find a new reader that is not connected to the disabilities office despite the fact that I do not have any money. I also need help in figuring out my accommodations for my classes next semester. And I need help figuring out how I can find someone to help me communicate with the disabilities office.
> 
> I really hate being a blind student who has other disabilities in addition to my blindness. I have no idea how the hell to keep up my grades for this semester without going completely insane. And I honestly have no idea how the hell I am ever going to be able to complete my science and math classes so that I can actually get my degree.
> 
> I know the NFB does not help individual cases like mine, so if anyone has any ideas as to where I could find a person I could actually talk to who might be able to help me figure some of this stuff out, I would greatly appreciate hearing from you. I really wish I had known that I was going to be losing what little support I receive from the disabilities office in the middle of the semester. It has turned into a mess that is too complicated for me.
> 
> But please do not tell me that attending an NFB training center is the answer for me as I do not have the money for that either.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
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From kestomberg at coe.edu  Fri Oct 21 03:52:09 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 22:52:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Another Questions about Professors
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OK. I think what you need to do is first wait until you feel a little bit less stressed. Wait until you've had a little bit of time to calm down. Then… Just tell him what you're posting on this email list. That you feel uncomfortable. Don't call him out or anything like that. Maybe don't do it in front of the class. Do you go to his office hours? Or could you schedule a separate meeting? You could email him and ask to set up an appointment. You wouldn't need to say what this was about in the email. Just let him know you have a concern. When you talk to him, try to put things into perspective if you can. Explain to him that being visually impaired is as normal for you as being cited is for him. Therefore, while you do things differently, you are still doing the same things. If this is in your nature, you could even make a joke about it. You could gently point out that he does the same things, but he has been never told that he is amazing for doing them. These conversations can be tough, because the type of discrimination you are experiencing is quite subtle, and you want to maintain a good relationship with your professor. I don't think it's fair that someone is telling you to ignore it, because this is your experience and it should not be dismissed out of hand. Hopefully, and approach like this would work. I am sorry if I sound like your mother. LOL! But I hope some of this is helpful for you. :-)

Kennedy Stomberg 
(218)295-2391 

> On Oct 20, 2016, at 10:38 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Thank you for your responses so far. However, how exactly do I have a conversation with my professor if I have absolutely no idea what to say to him? He is starting to make me feel rather uncomfortable. Someone else said that I should just ignore him, but the only real way to ignore him is to drop his class. I cannot enter or exit the classroom without him saying something to me or getting up from the desk to open the door for me. So if you believe the solution to this problem is to talk to my professor, what exactly am I supposed to say to him? My ideas are really not all that friendly considering the fact that I have had an absolutely horrible week. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 11:24 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: KENNEDY STOMBERG <kestomberg at coe.edu>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Another Questions about Professors
> 
> The one good thing about what you were dealing with is that your professor will likely listen to you. Ask has already been said, just talk to him. He respectful as I know you are. Be gentle and diplomatic if you can. (I know that can be hard sometimes. :-)) but I think things will work out for you. He is seeing you be successful, and he is trying to put himself in your shoes. He doesn't think that if he were blind he would be able to be that successful. But of course that is not the case. I am sure it is just a matter of having a conversation. :-) Good luck! Let us know how it goes. :-)
> 
> Kennedy Stomberg 
> (218)295-2391 
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2016, at 10:12 PM, chelsea peahl via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I've had a professor like that, but I honestly just talked to her about it. For me, it was that simple. She is now one of my favorite people and I have a great relationship with her outside of campus life. Just explain that just because you are doing something a little differently than they are used to, your are still doing the same thing that they do and that specialized equipment lost the "cool" factor after the first use. Everyone is human and mistakes happen, just continue to remind him. I don't feel like it's a reason to drop the class.
>> 
>> Chelsea Peahl
>> 
>>> On Oct 20, 2016, at 8:52 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> In addition to the problems I am facing in terms of my accommodations falling through for my science class, I also have a bit of a problem with my professor for my sociology class. He thinks I am the most amazing person for being able to do things as a blind person. I have received attitudes like this from other sighted people in the past, but never from a professor, or nothing that was this bad. Even after walking out with me from class to the bus stop and watching me find a phone number I recorded on my Victor Stream to call someone on my IPhone, he still somehow thinks I am the most amazing person simply because I can do things even though I am blind.
>>> 
>>> I really do not want to drop this class because I really enjoy this class. I find the subject matter to be interesting. I find the personal stories the professor shares with the class when he explains things to us in class. And I like the fact that the accommodations are fairly simple and straight forward in that I really do not need to do all that much in terms of accommodations for this class.
>>> 
>>> However, the fact that this professor keeps telling me how I am this amazing person simply because I can do things as a blind person is really starting to annoy me. I thought if I simply ignored these comments that they would go away. But they do not seem to be going away, and I honestly am not quite sure what to say to my professor to make him understand that my blindness really does not need to be as big of a deal as he is making it out to be.
>>> 
>>> So does anyone have any ideas as to how I can go about dealing with a professor who is overly annoying about how I am this amazing person simply because I can do things as a blind person? I am really beginning to think that sighted people are incapable of being able to understand blindness. So any thoughts or ideas anyone may have in regards to dealing with this situation would be greatly appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Elizabeth
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From jameyanne at gmail.com  Fri Oct 21 03:59:28 2016
From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 23:59:28 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Another Questions about Professors
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Hello Elizabeth,
I've never been in this situation with a professor, but I understand your
frustration. This does not seem like a situation where you want to call him
on his behavior in front of the whole class, though. I might recommend
writing him an email and respectfully telling him that you're uncomfortable
with the way he's treating you because you are just as independent as your
classmates. Then ask if you could come to his office hours to talk more
about this. Writing it down will probably help you not say anything you
might regret, and it will give you a starting point to frame your
conversation with him. As frustrating as it is, try to be patient. It sounds
like you are the first blind student he's taught, if not the first blind
person he's had any meaningful interactions with. He is impressed with you.
He thinks he's complimenting you. And he's trying to be helpful. Make sure
to reiterate to him that the academic accomodations are working out well for
you and you're really enjoying the class. I would not tell him that you're
so bothered by his behavior that you're considering dropping the class
altogether. Just stress that you wish he would treat you the way he treats
the other students, and if you need additional help, you'll be sure to ask.
You can also tell him you're happy to answer questions if he has them, but
that might be a step backwards, so that's up to you.
I hope this is a helpful starting point. Good luck! Do tell us how it goes.
Jameyanne

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Mohnke via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 11:38 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Another Questions about Professors

Hello All,

Thank you for your responses so far. However, how exactly do I have a
conversation with my professor if I have absolutely no idea what to say to
him? He is starting to make me feel rather uncomfortable. Someone else said
that I should just ignore him, but the only real way to ignore him is to
drop his class. I cannot enter or exit the classroom without him saying
something to me or getting up from the desk to open the door for me. So if
you believe the solution to this problem is to talk to my professor, what
exactly am I supposed to say to him? My ideas are really not all that
friendly considering the fact that I have had an absolutely horrible week. 

Thanks,
Elizabeth



-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of KENNEDY
STOMBERG via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 11:24 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: KENNEDY STOMBERG <kestomberg at coe.edu>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Another Questions about Professors

The one good thing about what you were dealing with is that your professor
will likely listen to you. Ask has already been said, just talk to him. He
respectful as I know you are. Be gentle and diplomatic if you can. (I know
that can be hard sometimes. :-)) but I think things will work out for you.
He is seeing you be successful, and he is trying to put himself in your
shoes. He doesn't think that if he were blind he would be able to be that
successful. But of course that is not the case. I am sure it is just a
matter of having a conversation. :-) Good luck! Let us know how it goes. :-)

Kennedy Stomberg 
(218)295-2391 

> On Oct 20, 2016, at 10:12 PM, chelsea peahl via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> I've had a professor like that, but I honestly just talked to her about
it. For me, it was that simple. She is now one of my favorite people and I
have a great relationship with her outside of campus life. Just explain that
just because you are doing something a little differently than they are used
to, your are still doing the same thing that they do and that specialized
equipment lost the "cool" factor after the first use. Everyone is human and
mistakes happen, just continue to remind him. I don't feel like it's a
reason to drop the class.
> 
> Chelsea Peahl
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2016, at 8:52 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> In addition to the problems I am facing in terms of my accommodations
falling through for my science class, I also have a bit of a problem with my
professor for my sociology class. He thinks I am the most amazing person for
being able to do things as a blind person. I have received attitudes like
this from other sighted people in the past, but never from a professor, or
nothing that was this bad. Even after walking out with me from class to the
bus stop and watching me find a phone number I recorded on my Victor Stream
to call someone on my IPhone, he still somehow thinks I am the most amazing
person simply because I can do things even though I am blind.
>> 
>> I really do not want to drop this class because I really enjoy this
class. I find the subject matter to be interesting. I find the personal
stories the professor shares with the class when he explains things to us in
class. And I like the fact that the accommodations are fairly simple and
straight forward in that I really do not need to do all that much in terms
of accommodations for this class.
>> 
>> However, the fact that this professor keeps telling me how I am this
amazing person simply because I can do things as a blind person is really
starting to annoy me. I thought if I simply ignored these comments that they
would go away. But they do not seem to be going away, and I honestly am not
quite sure what to say to my professor to make him understand that my
blindness really does not need to be as big of a deal as he is making it out
to be.
>> 
>> So does anyone have any ideas as to how I can go about dealing with a
professor who is overly annoying about how I am this amazing person simply
because I can do things as a blind person? I am really beginning to think
that sighted people are incapable of being able to understand blindness. So
any thoughts or ideas anyone may have in regards to dealing with this
situation would be greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Elizabeth
>> _______________________________________________
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From emitchell927 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 21 07:32:08 2016
From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 03:32:08 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Another Questions about Professors
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Hello, Elizabeth,
I have been in similar situations and always find a conversation helps. I’m sure they will understand.
Emma
> On Oct 20, 2016, at 11:59 PM, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Elizabeth,
> I've never been in this situation with a professor, but I understand your
> frustration. This does not seem like a situation where you want to call him
> on his behavior in front of the whole class, though. I might recommend
> writing him an email and respectfully telling him that you're uncomfortable
> with the way he's treating you because you are just as independent as your
> classmates. Then ask if you could come to his office hours to talk more
> about this. Writing it down will probably help you not say anything you
> might regret, and it will give you a starting point to frame your
> conversation with him. As frustrating as it is, try to be patient. It sounds
> like you are the first blind student he's taught, if not the first blind
> person he's had any meaningful interactions with. He is impressed with you.
> He thinks he's complimenting you. And he's trying to be helpful. Make sure
> to reiterate to him that the academic accomodations are working out well for
> you and you're really enjoying the class. I would not tell him that you're
> so bothered by his behavior that you're considering dropping the class
> altogether. Just stress that you wish he would treat you the way he treats
> the other students, and if you need additional help, you'll be sure to ask.
> You can also tell him you're happy to answer questions if he has them, but
> that might be a step backwards, so that's up to you.
> I hope this is a helpful starting point. Good luck! Do tell us how it goes.
> Jameyanne
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
> Mohnke via NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 11:38 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>>
> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com <mailto:lizmohnke at hotmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Another Questions about Professors
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Thank you for your responses so far. However, how exactly do I have a
> conversation with my professor if I have absolutely no idea what to say to
> him? He is starting to make me feel rather uncomfortable. Someone else said
> that I should just ignore him, but the only real way to ignore him is to
> drop his class. I cannot enter or exit the classroom without him saying
> something to me or getting up from the desk to open the door for me. So if
> you believe the solution to this problem is to talk to my professor, what
> exactly am I supposed to say to him? My ideas are really not all that
> friendly considering the fact that I have had an absolutely horrible week. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of KENNEDY
> STOMBERG via NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 11:24 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: KENNEDY STOMBERG <kestomberg at coe.edu>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Another Questions about Professors
> 
> The one good thing about what you were dealing with is that your professor
> will likely listen to you. Ask has already been said, just talk to him. He
> respectful as I know you are. Be gentle and diplomatic if you can. (I know
> that can be hard sometimes. :-)) but I think things will work out for you.
> He is seeing you be successful, and he is trying to put himself in your
> shoes. He doesn't think that if he were blind he would be able to be that
> successful. But of course that is not the case. I am sure it is just a
> matter of having a conversation. :-) Good luck! Let us know how it goes. :-)
> 
> Kennedy Stomberg 
> (218)295-2391 
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2016, at 10:12 PM, chelsea peahl via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>> 
>> I've had a professor like that, but I honestly just talked to her about
> it. For me, it was that simple. She is now one of my favorite people and I
> have a great relationship with her outside of campus life. Just explain that
> just because you are doing something a little differently than they are used
> to, your are still doing the same thing that they do and that specialized
> equipment lost the "cool" factor after the first use. Everyone is human and
> mistakes happen, just continue to remind him. I don't feel like it's a
> reason to drop the class.
>> 
>> Chelsea Peahl
>> 
>>> On Oct 20, 2016, at 8:52 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> In addition to the problems I am facing in terms of my accommodations
> falling through for my science class, I also have a bit of a problem with my
> professor for my sociology class. He thinks I am the most amazing person for
> being able to do things as a blind person. I have received attitudes like
> this from other sighted people in the past, but never from a professor, or
> nothing that was this bad. Even after walking out with me from class to the
> bus stop and watching me find a phone number I recorded on my Victor Stream
> to call someone on my IPhone, he still somehow thinks I am the most amazing
> person simply because I can do things even though I am blind.
>>> 
>>> I really do not want to drop this class because I really enjoy this
> class. I find the subject matter to be interesting. I find the personal
> stories the professor shares with the class when he explains things to us in
> class. And I like the fact that the accommodations are fairly simple and
> straight forward in that I really do not need to do all that much in terms
> of accommodations for this class.
>>> 
>>> However, the fact that this professor keeps telling me how I am this
> amazing person simply because I can do things as a blind person is really
> starting to annoy me. I thought if I simply ignored these comments that they
> would go away. But they do not seem to be going away, and I honestly am not
> quite sure what to say to my professor to make him understand that my
> blindness really does not need to be as big of a deal as he is making it out
> to be.
>>> 
>>> So does anyone have any ideas as to how I can go about dealing with a
> professor who is overly annoying about how I am this amazing person simply
> because I can do things as a blind person? I am really beginning to think
> that sighted people are incapable of being able to understand blindness. So
> any thoughts or ideas anyone may have in regards to dealing with this
> situation would be greatly appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Elizabeth
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NABS-L mailing list
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From emitchell927 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 21 07:58:46 2016
From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 03:58:46 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Cite a page number from audiobook?
Message-ID: <9963924B-5155-4BCB-ABAB-E9552E1D3E38@gmail.com>

Hello all,
How do I cite pages from an audiobook for English class? I am an English major.
Emma Mitchell 
Will someone help?

Sent from my iPhone

From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 21 11:34:21 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 07:34:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Another Questions about Professors
Message-ID: <5809fd4d.c731ed0a.52b26.e6f0@mx.google.com>

Hi Elizabeth,

My own practice in the past has been to ignore this sort of 
thing, because I tend to be non-confrontational and because I 
recognize that sighted people who talk like this mean well even 
though they're doing something harmful.  If this has reached a 
level where you can't do that and still function well in his 
class, I do think talking to him respectfully and not in front of 
others could help.  You could just say what you've told this 
list--that this makes you uncomfortable, that you're capable of 
opening the door and such on your own, that you don't see 
yourself as amazing.  If he's not part of the right wing backlash 
against what they like to call "political correctness," you could 
talk about how the assumption that you as a blind person can't do 
things and the low standards that goes along with that is an 
unintentional microaggression, and you could talk about the 
problems of stereotype threat and all the data that shows that 
low expectations cause poor academic performance.  Given that 
this is a sociologist, perhaps you could forward him some 
sociological studies on the subject of these sorts of attitudes 
towards disability.  I don't have references to them off the top 
of my head, but if you like I could share your story with the 
blind academics list (which includes a number of sociologists) 
and ask if they can recommend anything.  You might also try 
sending him some material by, for example, Dr. Jurnigan about 
this sort of thing.

HTH,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 03:38:23 +0000
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Another Questions about Professors

Hello All,

Thank you for your responses so far. However, how exactly do I 
have a conversation with my professor if I have absolutely no 
idea what to say to him? He is starting to make me feel rather 
uncomfortable. Someone else said that I should just ignore him, 
but the only real way to ignore him is to drop his class. I 
cannot enter or exit the classroom without him saying something 
to me or getting up from the desk to open the door for me. So if 
you believe the solution to this problem is to talk to my 
professor, what exactly am I supposed to say to him? My ideas are 
really not all that friendly considering the fact that I have had 
an absolutely horrible week.

Thanks,
Elizabeth



-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 11:24 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: KENNEDY STOMBERG <kestomberg at coe.edu
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Another Questions about Professors

The one good thing about what you were dealing with is that your 
professor will likely listen to you. Ask has already been said, 
just talk to him. He respectful as I know you are. Be gentle and 
diplomatic if you can. (I know that can be hard sometimes. :-)) 
but I think things will work out for you. He is seeing you be 
successful, and he is trying to put himself in your shoes. He 
doesn't think that if he were blind he would be able to be that 
successful. But of course that is not the case. I am sure it is 
just a matter of having a conversation. :-) Good luck! Let us 
know how it goes. :-)

Kennedy Stomberg
(218)295-2391

 On Oct 20, 2016, at 10:12 PM, chelsea peahl via NABS-L 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 I've had a professor like that, but I honestly just talked to 
her about it. For me, it was that simple. She is now one of my 
favorite people and I have a great relationship with her outside 
of campus life. Just explain that just because you are doing 
something a little differently than they are used to, your are 
still doing the same thing that they do and that specialized 
equipment lost the "cool" factor after the first use. Everyone is 
human and mistakes happen, just continue to remind him. I don't 
feel like it's a reason to drop the class.

 Chelsea Peahl

 On Oct 20, 2016, at 8:52 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hello All,

 In addition to the problems I am facing in terms of my 
accommodations falling through for my science class, I also have 
a bit of a problem with my professor for my sociology class. He 
thinks I am the most amazing person for being able to do things 
as a blind person. I have received attitudes like this from other 
sighted people in the past, but never from a professor, or 
nothing that was this bad. Even after walking out with me from 
class to the bus stop and watching me find a phone number I 
recorded on my Victor Stream to call someone on my IPhone, he 
still somehow thinks I am the most amazing person simply because 
I can do things even though I am blind.

 I really do not want to drop this class because I really enjoy 
this class. I find the subject matter to be interesting. I find 
the personal stories the professor shares with the class when he 
explains things to us in class. And I like the fact that the 
accommodations are fairly simple and straight forward in that I 
really do not need to do all that much in terms of accommodations 
for this class.

 However, the fact that this professor keeps telling me how I am 
this amazing person simply because I can do things as a blind 
person is really starting to annoy me. I thought if I simply 
ignored these comments that they would go away. But they do not 
seem to be going away, and I honestly am not quite sure what to 
say to my professor to make him understand that my blindness 
really does not need to be as big of a deal as he is making it 
out to be.

 So does anyone have any ideas as to how I can go about dealing 
with a professor who is overly annoying about how I am this 
amazing person simply because I can do things as a blind person? 
I am really beginning to think that sighted people are incapable 
of being able to understand blindness. So any thoughts or ideas 
anyone may have in regards to dealing with this situation would 
be greatly appreciated.

 Thanks,
 Elizabeth
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 21 11:34:20 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 07:34:20 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Cite a page number from audiobook?
Message-ID: <5809fd4c.c731ed0a.52b26.e6ee@mx.google.com>

You can't.  If you're in a fairly lax undergrad you might be able 
to cite the chapter number instead of the page, but audio books 
really aren't good for academic purposes.

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Subject: [nabs-l] Cite a page number from audiobook?

Hello all,
How do I cite pages from an audiobook for English class? I am an 
English major.
Emma Mitchell
Will someone help?

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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 21 11:53:19 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 11:53:19 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Where Can I Turn For Some Help?
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Hello Kennedy,

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my message. However, right now I feel as though I do not have any options available to me. Right now I feel as though it is best for me to fire the reader that was assigned to me from the disabilities office , and hire my own reader despite the fact that I do not have any money, and then figure out how the hell to convince the disabilities office to allow me to use this new reader for exams when the only way to contact the person in charge of the disabilities office is through email. I feel like this is the only thing I can do right now because this is how my accommodations were set up for my science class this semester, and I feel as though I do not have the ability to figure out a whole new set of accommodations during the middle of the semester.

I already understand the concept of using other students in the class as readers as they are learning the material anyway. However, I am honestly not quite sure how this works when no one in the class will barely talk to me. And having another student in the class to read our weekly quizzes and exams is most likely not going to work for me.

I tried contacting my science professor all summer long to talk about accommodations for her class. However, the only time I was able to meet with her was a few days before the start of classes. By this time, it was simply too late for me to be able to switch to a different science class with a different professor. Since the professor wants us to hand in our lab assignments at the end of class in hard copy print, and has random activities throughout the class, I thought it would be best for me to have a reader in class to help me. In the past I have found it rather difficult to find other students to help me complete written assignments in class.

But now I seem to be having a major problem with my reader. AT the beginning of the semester, I was told that she did not have a problem sitting through the parts of class when I do not need a reader. However, now it appears as though she has a problem with it. However, instead of talking to me about it, she is talking to other people about it. I know that she has talked to the person in charge of the disabilities office, and it is possible that she may have talked to my professor as well.

The other day in class, my reader told me that the person in charge of the disabilities office was going to be meeting with my professor. I was rather taken aback when I heard my reader says this to me because I cannot even schedule a meeting with the person in charge of the disabilities office to talk about accommodations for next semester. And I thought it was totally inappropriate for the person in charge of the disabilities office to be meeting or talking to my professor without my permission or talking to me about it first. And my professor had something personal happen to her this week, so I thought that hearing from the person in charge of the disabilities office was the last thing she needed this week.

Since I really did not want to take the time to smooth things over with my professor and call out the disabilities office afterwards, I thought the best way for me to handle this situation was to see if I could be a part of the meeting between the disabilities office and my professor. However, when I got to the disabilities office, I was told that there was no meeting between the person in charge of the disabilities office and my professor. So not only is my reader not willing to talk to me when she has a problem, but apparently she has now provided me with incorrect information that only caused more confusion and frustration for me.

What I really need to do is to be able to talk with the person in charge of the disabilities office in person to try and sort everything out. However, this is not an option because the only way I can communicate with this person is through email. However, writing emails is really tedious and time consuming for me, and I really do not have the time and energy to compose fifty million emails to this person when talking to them in person would be a more efficient means of communication. But right now I feel as though no one at the college understands me or has the ability and authority to help me. I am really mad and pissed off that no one seems to want to talk to me in regards to using a reader in class. It is like people are speaking for me and are totally disrespecting me.

So since no one really wants to talk to me, I feel like the best thing for me to do is to simply fire my reader from the disabilities office and somehow find my own reader so I can get through the rest of this class. But the problem is that I have absolutely no idea where to find a reader who is knowledgeable in science who is willing to work for free because I have absolutely no way to be able to pay a reader what they should be paid. I have absolutely no idea how to talk to the disabilities office to resolve this situation or set up accommodations for next semester when I cannot even set up a time to talk to the person who is in charge of the disabilities office.

I hate my science class. I hate my science professor. I hate the disabilities office. And now I hate my reader for my science class. However, dropping the class is simply not an option for me. So I am simply trying to do my best to make the best out of the situation so I can at least make it through the semester and pass my class. But this whole situation is just stressing me out and it would really be nice if I had someone who could help me figure out the best way to handle this situation and either help me communicate with people at my college or help me figure out a way to totally bypass the disabilities office altogether, which I am not sure is even possible with science and math classes.

Elizabeth

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Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 11:42 PM
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Cc: KENNEDY STOMBERG <kestomberg at coe.edu>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Where Can I Turn For Some Help?

Hello. Don't worry. :-) I'm not here to tell you to attend the training center. First off, in terms of readers… The beautiful thing about your situation is that you go to college. That gives you options.
One option is to try to get someone from your class to help you. Someone from your class is already studying the same material, and if your schedules work, it could work very well for them to help you. They would be learning. And you wouldn't have to pay them. Another option might seem a bit silly, but it does work on college students. Sometimes, hiring a reader is a simple as offering to take them to lunch. Or get them a cup of coffee. Or something like that. But you definitely do not need your disabilities  Office to do that.
As for finding someone who can talk to disabilities office and advocate for you, I'm afraid I don't have an answer to that right now. My best suggestion would be to go to someone higher up in the administration. This can seem a bit scary, but I think it may be appropriate for your situation. 
When it comes to completing math and science classes, I am not certain. What I mean by this is that it depends. It really depends on what math or science classes you plan to take. If you would be willing to explore this a bit further, I would be willing to help you. I am a student who is manage to find both great success and joy from math and science classes at my university. If you have specific classes in mind that you would like to take, we could talk about  what you would need in terms of accommodations for those classes. If you are looking to find the easiest math and science classes that will require the least amount of accommodations, we could talk about that too. My number is posted at the bottom of this email. If you feel comfortable with this, why don't you give me a call in the next week or so, and we can talk about it? That is a conversation that is best had in person in my opinion. Others may disagree with me, and you may find someone who you find will be more helpful, but I am absolutely willing to help! Because believe me, I know what it is to not have the accommodations you need and science classes.
Good luck!
Kennedy

Kennedy Stomberg 
(218)295-2391 

> On Oct 20, 2016, at 9:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> So the semester I thought would actually turn out well has just started taking a horrible turn for the worsts. I need some help in figuring out how to find a new reader that is not connected to the disabilities office despite the fact that I do not have any money. I also need help in figuring out my accommodations for my classes next semester. And I need help figuring out how I can find someone to help me communicate with the disabilities office.
> 
> I really hate being a blind student who has other disabilities in addition to my blindness. I have no idea how the hell to keep up my grades for this semester without going completely insane. And I honestly have no idea how the hell I am ever going to be able to complete my science and math classes so that I can actually get my degree.
> 
> I know the NFB does not help individual cases like mine, so if anyone has any ideas as to where I could find a person I could actually talk to who might be able to help me figure some of this stuff out, I would greatly appreciate hearing from you. I really wish I had known that I was going to be losing what little support I receive from the disabilities office in the middle of the semester. It has turned into a mess that is too complicated for me.
> 
> But please do not tell me that attending an NFB training center is the answer for me as I do not have the money for that either.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
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From garywunder at me.com  Fri Oct 21 16:44:58 2016
From: garywunder at me.com (Gary Wunder)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 11:44:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Another Questions about Professors
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Jamie has wonderful ideas. Solid advice.



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Fuller via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 10:59 PM
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Cc: Jameyanne Fuller
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Another Questions about Professors

Hello Elizabeth,
I've never been in this situation with a professor, but I understand your
frustration. This does not seem like a situation where you want to call him
on his behavior in front of the whole class, though. I might recommend
writing him an email and respectfully telling him that you're uncomfortable
with the way he's treating you because you are just as independent as your
classmates. Then ask if you could come to his office hours to talk more
about this. Writing it down will probably help you not say anything you
might regret, and it will give you a starting point to frame your
conversation with him. As frustrating as it is, try to be patient. It sounds
like you are the first blind student he's taught, if not the first blind
person he's had any meaningful interactions with. He is impressed with you.
He thinks he's complimenting you. And he's trying to be helpful. Make sure
to reiterate to him that the academic accomodations are working out well for
you and you're really enjoying the class. I would not tell him that you're
so bothered by his behavior that you're considering dropping the class
altogether. Just stress that you wish he would treat you the way he treats
the other students, and if you need additional help, you'll be sure to ask.
You can also tell him you're happy to answer questions if he has them, but
that might be a step backwards, so that's up to you.
I hope this is a helpful starting point. Good luck! Do tell us how it goes.
Jameyanne

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Mohnke via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 11:38 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Another Questions about Professors

Hello All,

Thank you for your responses so far. However, how exactly do I have a
conversation with my professor if I have absolutely no idea what to say to
him? He is starting to make me feel rather uncomfortable. Someone else said
that I should just ignore him, but the only real way to ignore him is to
drop his class. I cannot enter or exit the classroom without him saying
something to me or getting up from the desk to open the door for me. So if
you believe the solution to this problem is to talk to my professor, what
exactly am I supposed to say to him? My ideas are really not all that
friendly considering the fact that I have had an absolutely horrible week. 

Thanks,
Elizabeth



-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of KENNEDY
STOMBERG via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 11:24 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: KENNEDY STOMBERG <kestomberg at coe.edu>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Another Questions about Professors

The one good thing about what you were dealing with is that your professor
will likely listen to you. Ask has already been said, just talk to him. He
respectful as I know you are. Be gentle and diplomatic if you can. (I know
that can be hard sometimes. :-)) but I think things will work out for you.
He is seeing you be successful, and he is trying to put himself in your
shoes. He doesn't think that if he were blind he would be able to be that
successful. But of course that is not the case. I am sure it is just a
matter of having a conversation. :-) Good luck! Let us know how it goes. :-)

Kennedy Stomberg
(218)295-2391 

> On Oct 20, 2016, at 10:12 PM, chelsea peahl via NABS-L 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> I've had a professor like that, but I honestly just talked to her 
> about
it. For me, it was that simple. She is now one of my favorite people and I
have a great relationship with her outside of campus life. Just explain that
just because you are doing something a little differently than they are used
to, your are still doing the same thing that they do and that specialized
equipment lost the "cool" factor after the first use. Everyone is human and
mistakes happen, just continue to remind him. I don't feel like it's a
reason to drop the class.
> 
> Chelsea Peahl
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2016, at 8:52 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> In addition to the problems I am facing in terms of my accommodations
falling through for my science class, I also have a bit of a problem with my
professor for my sociology class. He thinks I am the most amazing person for
being able to do things as a blind person. I have received attitudes like
this from other sighted people in the past, but never from a professor, or
nothing that was this bad. Even after walking out with me from class to the
bus stop and watching me find a phone number I recorded on my Victor Stream
to call someone on my IPhone, he still somehow thinks I am the most amazing
person simply because I can do things even though I am blind.
>> 
>> I really do not want to drop this class because I really enjoy this
class. I find the subject matter to be interesting. I find the personal
stories the professor shares with the class when he explains things to us in
class. And I like the fact that the accommodations are fairly simple and
straight forward in that I really do not need to do all that much in terms
of accommodations for this class.
>> 
>> However, the fact that this professor keeps telling me how I am this
amazing person simply because I can do things as a blind person is really
starting to annoy me. I thought if I simply ignored these comments that they
would go away. But they do not seem to be going away, and I honestly am not
quite sure what to say to my professor to make him understand that my
blindness really does not need to be as big of a deal as he is making it out
to be.
>> 
>> So does anyone have any ideas as to how I can go about dealing with a
professor who is overly annoying about how I am this amazing person simply
because I can do things as a blind person? I am really beginning to think
that sighted people are incapable of being able to understand blindness. So
any thoughts or ideas anyone may have in regards to dealing with this
situation would be greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Elizabeth
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 21 16:54:40 2016
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 12:54:40 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Another Questions about Professors
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Iwould like to see this publication as an article 

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 21, 2016, at 12:44 PM, Gary Wunder via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Jamie has wonderful ideas. Solid advice.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jameyanne
> Fuller via NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 10:59 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Cc: Jameyanne Fuller
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Another Questions about Professors
> 
> Hello Elizabeth,
> I've never been in this situation with a professor, but I understand your
> frustration. This does not seem like a situation where you want to call him
> on his behavior in front of the whole class, though. I might recommend
> writing him an email and respectfully telling him that you're uncomfortable
> with the way he's treating you because you are just as independent as your
> classmates. Then ask if you could come to his office hours to talk more
> about this. Writing it down will probably help you not say anything you
> might regret, and it will give you a starting point to frame your
> conversation with him. As frustrating as it is, try to be patient. It sounds
> like you are the first blind student he's taught, if not the first blind
> person he's had any meaningful interactions with. He is impressed with you.
> He thinks he's complimenting you. And he's trying to be helpful. Make sure
> to reiterate to him that the academic accomodations are working out well for
> you and you're really enjoying the class. I would not tell him that you're
> so bothered by his behavior that you're considering dropping the class
> altogether. Just stress that you wish he would treat you the way he treats
> the other students, and if you need additional help, you'll be sure to ask.
> You can also tell him you're happy to answer questions if he has them, but
> that might be a step backwards, so that's up to you.
> I hope this is a helpful starting point. Good luck! Do tell us how it goes.
> Jameyanne
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
> Mohnke via NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 11:38 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Another Questions about Professors
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Thank you for your responses so far. However, how exactly do I have a
> conversation with my professor if I have absolutely no idea what to say to
> him? He is starting to make me feel rather uncomfortable. Someone else said
> that I should just ignore him, but the only real way to ignore him is to
> drop his class. I cannot enter or exit the classroom without him saying
> something to me or getting up from the desk to open the door for me. So if
> you believe the solution to this problem is to talk to my professor, what
> exactly am I supposed to say to him? My ideas are really not all that
> friendly considering the fact that I have had an absolutely horrible week. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of KENNEDY
> STOMBERG via NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 11:24 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: KENNEDY STOMBERG <kestomberg at coe.edu>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Another Questions about Professors
> 
> The one good thing about what you were dealing with is that your professor
> will likely listen to you. Ask has already been said, just talk to him. He
> respectful as I know you are. Be gentle and diplomatic if you can. (I know
> that can be hard sometimes. :-)) but I think things will work out for you.
> He is seeing you be successful, and he is trying to put himself in your
> shoes. He doesn't think that if he were blind he would be able to be that
> successful. But of course that is not the case. I am sure it is just a
> matter of having a conversation. :-) Good luck! Let us know how it goes. :-)
> 
> Kennedy Stomberg
> (218)295-2391 
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2016, at 10:12 PM, chelsea peahl via NABS-L 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>> 
>> I've had a professor like that, but I honestly just talked to her 
>> about
> it. For me, it was that simple. She is now one of my favorite people and I
> have a great relationship with her outside of campus life. Just explain that
> just because you are doing something a little differently than they are used
> to, your are still doing the same thing that they do and that specialized
> equipment lost the "cool" factor after the first use. Everyone is human and
> mistakes happen, just continue to remind him. I don't feel like it's a
> reason to drop the class.
>> 
>> Chelsea Peahl
>> 
>>> On Oct 20, 2016, at 8:52 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> In addition to the problems I am facing in terms of my accommodations
> falling through for my science class, I also have a bit of a problem with my
> professor for my sociology class. He thinks I am the most amazing person for
> being able to do things as a blind person. I have received attitudes like
> this from other sighted people in the past, but never from a professor, or
> nothing that was this bad. Even after walking out with me from class to the
> bus stop and watching me find a phone number I recorded on my Victor Stream
> to call someone on my IPhone, he still somehow thinks I am the most amazing
> person simply because I can do things even though I am blind.
>>> 
>>> I really do not want to drop this class because I really enjoy this
> class. I find the subject matter to be interesting. I find the personal
> stories the professor shares with the class when he explains things to us in
> class. And I like the fact that the accommodations are fairly simple and
> straight forward in that I really do not need to do all that much in terms
> of accommodations for this class.
>>> 
>>> However, the fact that this professor keeps telling me how I am this
> amazing person simply because I can do things as a blind person is really
> starting to annoy me. I thought if I simply ignored these comments that they
> would go away. But they do not seem to be going away, and I honestly am not
> quite sure what to say to my professor to make him understand that my
> blindness really does not need to be as big of a deal as he is making it out
> to be.
>>> 
>>> So does anyone have any ideas as to how I can go about dealing with a
> professor who is overly annoying about how I am this amazing person simply
> because I can do things as a blind person? I am really beginning to think
> that sighted people are incapable of being able to understand blindness. So
> any thoughts or ideas anyone may have in regards to dealing with this
> situation would be greatly appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Elizabeth
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From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 21 18:10:30 2016
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 13:10:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Where Can I Turn For Some Help?
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Elizabeth,
Here's the thing. I understand that writing emails is tedious and a pain and takes time out of your day, but it looks like that is what has to happen. Write a quick email to the director, simply stating that you would like to meet with them, and asking them what time they are available. You do not have to weigh out the entire story in the email, that's for the meeting. Keep it short and brief, but this is the only way you're going to resolve this problem. Communication with Disability Services offices about how accommodations are or are not working is essential to your success, especially in math and science courses. If this reader is not working for you, then talk to Disability Services about it if they have agreed to pay for them. They don't like to hear that a reader isn't doing their job. As others have said, hiring a reader or a driver is as easy as buying them lunch or coffee, it doesn't have to take a lot of your money. Of course, the better paid they are, the harder they work. Are you a part of your state vocational rehabilitation services? If not, this could be another avenue for getting some funding to help with readers. I definitely understand being the poor college kid. I live it every day.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 21, 2016, at 6:53 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Kennedy,
> 
> Thank you for taking the time to respond to my message. However, right now I feel as though I do not have any options available to me. Right now I feel as though it is best for me to fire the reader that was assigned to me from the disabilities office , and hire my own reader despite the fact that I do not have any money, and then figure out how the hell to convince the disabilities office to allow me to use this new reader for exams when the only way to contact the person in charge of the disabilities office is through email. I feel like this is the only thing I can do right now because this is how my accommodations were set up for my science class this semester, and I feel as though I do not have the ability to figure out a whole new set of accommodations during the middle of the semester.
> 
> I already understand the concept of using other students in the class as readers as they are learning the material anyway. However, I am honestly not quite sure how this works when no one in the class will barely talk to me. And having another student in the class to read our weekly quizzes and exams is most likely not going to work for me.
> 
> I tried contacting my science professor all summer long to talk about accommodations for her class. However, the only time I was able to meet with her was a few days before the start of classes. By this time, it was simply too late for me to be able to switch to a different science class with a different professor. Since the professor wants us to hand in our lab assignments at the end of class in hard copy print, and has random activities throughout the class, I thought it would be best for me to have a reader in class to help me. In the past I have found it rather difficult to find other students to help me complete written assignments in class.
> 
> But now I seem to be having a major problem with my reader. AT the beginning of the semester, I was told that she did not have a problem sitting through the parts of class when I do not need a reader. However, now it appears as though she has a problem with it. However, instead of talking to me about it, she is talking to other people about it. I know that she has talked to the person in charge of the disabilities office, and it is possible that she may have talked to my professor as well.
> 
> The other day in class, my reader told me that the person in charge of the disabilities office was going to be meeting with my professor. I was rather taken aback when I heard my reader says this to me because I cannot even schedule a meeting with the person in charge of the disabilities office to talk about accommodations for next semester. And I thought it was totally inappropriate for the person in charge of the disabilities office to be meeting or talking to my professor without my permission or talking to me about it first. And my professor had something personal happen to her this week, so I thought that hearing from the person in charge of the disabilities office was the last thing she needed this week.
> 
> Since I really did not want to take the time to smooth things over with my professor and call out the disabilities office afterwards, I thought the best way for me to handle this situation was to see if I could be a part of the meeting between the disabilities office and my professor. However, when I got to the disabilities office, I was told that there was no meeting between the person in charge of the disabilities office and my professor. So not only is my reader not willing to talk to me when she has a problem, but apparently she has now provided me with incorrect information that only caused more confusion and frustration for me.
> 
> What I really need to do is to be able to talk with the person in charge of the disabilities office in person to try and sort everything out. However, this is not an option because the only way I can communicate with this person is through email. However, writing emails is really tedious and time consuming for me, and I really do not have the time and energy to compose fifty million emails to this person when talking to them in person would be a more efficient means of communication. But right now I feel as though no one at the college understands me or has the ability and authority to help me. I am really mad and pissed off that no one seems to want to talk to me in regards to using a reader in class. It is like people are speaking for me and are totally disrespecting me.
> 
> So since no one really wants to talk to me, I feel like the best thing for me to do is to simply fire my reader from the disabilities office and somehow find my own reader so I can get through the rest of this class. But the problem is that I have absolutely no idea where to find a reader who is knowledgeable in science who is willing to work for free because I have absolutely no way to be able to pay a reader what they should be paid. I have absolutely no idea how to talk to the disabilities office to resolve this situation or set up accommodations for next semester when I cannot even set up a time to talk to the person who is in charge of the disabilities office.
> 
> I hate my science class. I hate my science professor. I hate the disabilities office. And now I hate my reader for my science class. However, dropping the class is simply not an option for me. So I am simply trying to do my best to make the best out of the situation so I can at least make it through the semester and pass my class. But this whole situation is just stressing me out and it would really be nice if I had someone who could help me figure out the best way to handle this situation and either help me communicate with people at my college or help me figure out a way to totally bypass the disabilities office altogether, which I am not sure is even possible with science and math classes.
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 11:42 PM
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> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Where Can I Turn For Some Help?
> 
> Hello. Don't worry. :-) I'm not here to tell you to attend the training center. First off, in terms of readers… The beautiful thing about your situation is that you go to college. That gives you options.
> One option is to try to get someone from your class to help you. Someone from your class is already studying the same material, and if your schedules work, it could work very well for them to help you. They would be learning. And you wouldn't have to pay them. Another option might seem a bit silly, but it does work on college students. Sometimes, hiring a reader is a simple as offering to take them to lunch. Or get them a cup of coffee. Or something like that. But you definitely do not need your disabilities  Office to do that.
> As for finding someone who can talk to disabilities office and advocate for you, I'm afraid I don't have an answer to that right now. My best suggestion would be to go to someone higher up in the administration. This can seem a bit scary, but I think it may be appropriate for your situation. 
> When it comes to completing math and science classes, I am not certain. What I mean by this is that it depends. It really depends on what math or science classes you plan to take. If you would be willing to explore this a bit further, I would be willing to help you. I am a student who is manage to find both great success and joy from math and science classes at my university. If you have specific classes in mind that you would like to take, we could talk about  what you would need in terms of accommodations for those classes. If you are looking to find the easiest math and science classes that will require the least amount of accommodations, we could talk about that too. My number is posted at the bottom of this email. If you feel comfortable with this, why don't you give me a call in the next week or so, and we can talk about it? That is a conversation that is best had in person in my opinion. Others may disagree with me, and you may find someone who you find will be more helpful, but I am absolutely willing to help! Because believe me, I know what it is to not have the accommodations you need and science classes.
> Good luck!
> Kennedy
> 
> Kennedy Stomberg 
> (218)295-2391 
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2016, at 9:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> So the semester I thought would actually turn out well has just started taking a horrible turn for the worsts. I need some help in figuring out how to find a new reader that is not connected to the disabilities office despite the fact that I do not have any money. I also need help in figuring out my accommodations for my classes next semester. And I need help figuring out how I can find someone to help me communicate with the disabilities office.
>> 
>> I really hate being a blind student who has other disabilities in addition to my blindness. I have no idea how the hell to keep up my grades for this semester without going completely insane. And I honestly have no idea how the hell I am ever going to be able to complete my science and math classes so that I can actually get my degree.
>> 
>> I know the NFB does not help individual cases like mine, so if anyone has any ideas as to where I could find a person I could actually talk to who might be able to help me figure some of this stuff out, I would greatly appreciate hearing from you. I really wish I had known that I was going to be losing what little support I receive from the disabilities office in the middle of the semester. It has turned into a mess that is too complicated for me.
>> 
>> But please do not tell me that attending an NFB training center is the answer for me as I do not have the money for that either.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Elizabeth
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From lhnews at lighthouse-sf.org  Fri Oct 21 19:43:20 2016
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Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 19:43:20 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Are You a Blind Veteran? Join us For This Very Special
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We're celebrating Veterans Day by organizing a weekend retreat in November for Veterans who are blind or have low vision.

Who: Military Veterans of all ages who are blind or have low vision
Where: Enchanted Hills Camp
When: Friday, November 11 through Sunday, November 13, 2016
Cost: $100 + $40 round trip transport

It's an opportunity to have fun at beautiful Enchanted Hills Camp while connecting with fellow veterans. Campers will enjoy recreational and social programs designed to promote a healthy and independent lifestyle, presented by the LightHouse in collaboration with Western Blind Rehabilitation Center of Palo Alto.

To sign up for this special retreat, contact Camp Director Tony Fletcher at tfletcher at lighthouse-sf.org<mailto:tfletcher at lighthouse-sf.org> or 415-694-7319 for an application or with any questions.



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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 21 23:50:39 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 19:50:39 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Another Questions about Professors
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Carl,
Excellent advice. Talking to him during office hours is a good idea.
I like your idea of bringing in some studies too. But I'd do that after 
speaking to him and if the conversation warrants it.

I've not had this problem. Sure, sometimes professors say I'm amazing or 
admirable, but they do not do it all the time or act patronizing about it.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Another Questions about Professors

Hi Elizabeth,

My own practice in the past has been to ignore this sort of
thing, because I tend to be non-confrontational and because I
recognize that sighted people who talk like this mean well even
though they're doing something harmful.  If this has reached a
level where you can't do that and still function well in his
class, I do think talking to him respectfully and not in front of
others could help.  You could just say what you've told this
list--that this makes you uncomfortable, that you're capable of
opening the door and such on your own, that you don't see
yourself as amazing.  If he's not part of the right wing backlash
against what they like to call "political correctness," you could
talk about how the assumption that you as a blind person can't do
things and the low standards that goes along with that is an
unintentional microaggression, and you could talk about the
problems of stereotype threat and all the data that shows that
low expectations cause poor academic performance.  Given that
this is a sociologist, perhaps you could forward him some
sociological studies on the subject of these sorts of attitudes
towards disability.  I don't have references to them off the top
of my head, but if you like I could share your story with the
blind academics list (which includes a number of sociologists)
and ask if they can recommend anything.  You might also try
sending him some material by, for example, Dr. Jurnigan about
this sort of thing.

HTH,
Karl

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Hello All,

Thank you for your responses so far. However, how exactly do I
have a conversation with my professor if I have absolutely no
idea what to say to him? He is starting to make me feel rather
uncomfortable. Someone else said that I should just ignore him,
but the only real way to ignore him is to drop his class. I
cannot enter or exit the classroom without him saying something
to me or getting up from the desk to open the door for me. So if
you believe the solution to this problem is to talk to my
professor, what exactly am I supposed to say to him? My ideas are
really not all that friendly considering the fact that I have had
an absolutely horrible week.

Thanks,
Elizabeth



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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Another Questions about Professors

The one good thing about what you were dealing with is that your
professor will likely listen to you. Ask has already been said,
just talk to him. He respectful as I know you are. Be gentle and
diplomatic if you can. (I know that can be hard sometimes. :-))
but I think things will work out for you. He is seeing you be
successful, and he is trying to put himself in your shoes. He
doesn't think that if he were blind he would be able to be that
successful. But of course that is not the case. I am sure it is
just a matter of having a conversation. :-) Good luck! Let us
know how it goes. :-)

Kennedy Stomberg
(218)295-2391

On Oct 20, 2016, at 10:12 PM, chelsea peahl via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

I've had a professor like that, but I honestly just talked to
her about it. For me, it was that simple. She is now one of my
favorite people and I have a great relationship with her outside
of campus life. Just explain that just because you are doing
something a little differently than they are used to, your are
still doing the same thing that they do and that specialized
equipment lost the "cool" factor after the first use. Everyone is
human and mistakes happen, just continue to remind him. I don't
feel like it's a reason to drop the class.

Chelsea Peahl

On Oct 20, 2016, at 8:52 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

Hello All,

In addition to the problems I am facing in terms of my
accommodations falling through for my science class, I also have
a bit of a problem with my professor for my sociology class. He
thinks I am the most amazing person for being able to do things
as a blind person. I have received attitudes like this from other
sighted people in the past, but never from a professor, or
nothing that was this bad. Even after walking out with me from
class to the bus stop and watching me find a phone number I
recorded on my Victor Stream to call someone on my IPhone, he
still somehow thinks I am the most amazing person simply because
I can do things even though I am blind.

I really do not want to drop this class because I really enjoy
this class. I find the subject matter to be interesting. I find
the personal stories the professor shares with the class when he
explains things to us in class. And I like the fact that the
accommodations are fairly simple and straight forward in that I
really do not need to do all that much in terms of accommodations
for this class.

However, the fact that this professor keeps telling me how I am
this amazing person simply because I can do things as a blind
person is really starting to annoy me. I thought if I simply
ignored these comments that they would go away. But they do not
seem to be going away, and I honestly am not quite sure what to
say to my professor to make him understand that my blindness
really does not need to be as big of a deal as he is making it
out to be.

So does anyone have any ideas as to how I can go about dealing
with a professor who is overly annoying about how I am this
amazing person simply because I can do things as a blind person?
I am really beginning to think that sighted people are incapable
of being able to understand blindness. So any thoughts or ideas
anyone may have in regards to dealing with this situation would
be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Elizabeth
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From kestomberg at coe.edu  Sat Oct 22 01:18:08 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 20:18:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Where Can I Turn For Some Help?
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That  is right. E-mail them. And if they don't respond to your e-mails, keep sending them. Send one every day until you hear back. Squeaky wheels get grease, as the saying goes! If that doesn't work, take it to someone in administration such as the dean of his faculty. Good luck! :) 

Kennedy Stomberg 
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> On Oct 21, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Aleeha Dudley via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Elizabeth,
> Here's the thing. I understand that writing emails is tedious and a pain and takes time out of your day, but it looks like that is what has to happen. Write a quick email to the director, simply stating that you would like to meet with them, and asking them what time they are available. You do not have to weigh out the entire story in the email, that's for the meeting. Keep it short and brief, but this is the only way you're going to resolve this problem. Communication with Disability Services offices about how accommodations are or are not working is essential to your success, especially in math and science courses. If this reader is not working for you, then talk to Disability Services about it if they have agreed to pay for them. They don't like to hear that a reader isn't doing their job. As others have said, hiring a reader or a driver is as easy as buying them lunch or coffee, it doesn't have to take a lot of your money. Of course, the better paid they are, the harder they work. Are you a part of your state vocational rehabilitation services? If not, this could be another avenue for getting some funding to help with readers. I definitely understand being the poor college kid. I live it every day.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 6:53 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Kennedy,
>> 
>> Thank you for taking the time to respond to my message. However, right now I feel as though I do not have any options available to me. Right now I feel as though it is best for me to fire the reader that was assigned to me from the disabilities office , and hire my own reader despite the fact that I do not have any money, and then figure out how the hell to convince the disabilities office to allow me to use this new reader for exams when the only way to contact the person in charge of the disabilities office is through email. I feel like this is the only thing I can do right now because this is how my accommodations were set up for my science class this semester, and I feel as though I do not have the ability to figure out a whole new set of accommodations during the middle of the semester.
>> 
>> I already understand the concept of using other students in the class as readers as they are learning the material anyway. However, I am honestly not quite sure how this works when no one in the class will barely talk to me. And having another student in the class to read our weekly quizzes and exams is most likely not going to work for me.
>> 
>> I tried contacting my science professor all summer long to talk about accommodations for her class. However, the only time I was able to meet with her was a few days before the start of classes. By this time, it was simply too late for me to be able to switch to a different science class with a different professor. Since the professor wants us to hand in our lab assignments at the end of class in hard copy print, and has random activities throughout the class, I thought it would be best for me to have a reader in class to help me. In the past I have found it rather difficult to find other students to help me complete written assignments in class.
>> 
>> But now I seem to be having a major problem with my reader. AT the beginning of the semester, I was told that she did not have a problem sitting through the parts of class when I do not need a reader. However, now it appears as though she has a problem with it. However, instead of talking to me about it, she is talking to other people about it. I know that she has talked to the person in charge of the disabilities office, and it is possible that she may have talked to my professor as well.
>> 
>> The other day in class, my reader told me that the person in charge of the disabilities office was going to be meeting with my professor. I was rather taken aback when I heard my reader says this to me because I cannot even schedule a meeting with the person in charge of the disabilities office to talk about accommodations for next semester. And I thought it was totally inappropriate for the person in charge of the disabilities office to be meeting or talking to my professor without my permission or talking to me about it first. And my professor had something personal happen to her this week, so I thought that hearing from the person in charge of the disabilities office was the last thing she needed this week.
>> 
>> Since I really did not want to take the time to smooth things over with my professor and call out the disabilities office afterwards, I thought the best way for me to handle this situation was to see if I could be a part of the meeting between the disabilities office and my professor. However, when I got to the disabilities office, I was told that there was no meeting between the person in charge of the disabilities office and my professor. So not only is my reader not willing to talk to me when she has a problem, but apparently she has now provided me with incorrect information that only caused more confusion and frustration for me.
>> 
>> What I really need to do is to be able to talk with the person in charge of the disabilities office in person to try and sort everything out. However, this is not an option because the only way I can communicate with this person is through email. However, writing emails is really tedious and time consuming for me, and I really do not have the time and energy to compose fifty million emails to this person when talking to them in person would be a more efficient means of communication. But right now I feel as though no one at the college understands me or has the ability and authority to help me. I am really mad and pissed off that no one seems to want to talk to me in regards to using a reader in class. It is like people are speaking for me and are totally disrespecting me.
>> 
>> So since no one really wants to talk to me, I feel like the best thing for me to do is to simply fire my reader from the disabilities office and somehow find my own reader so I can get through the rest of this class. But the problem is that I have absolutely no idea where to find a reader who is knowledgeable in science who is willing to work for free because I have absolutely no way to be able to pay a reader what they should be paid. I have absolutely no idea how to talk to the disabilities office to resolve this situation or set up accommodations for next semester when I cannot even set up a time to talk to the person who is in charge of the disabilities office.
>> 
>> I hate my science class. I hate my science professor. I hate the disabilities office. And now I hate my reader for my science class. However, dropping the class is simply not an option for me. So I am simply trying to do my best to make the best out of the situation so I can at least make it through the semester and pass my class. But this whole situation is just stressing me out and it would really be nice if I had someone who could help me figure out the best way to handle this situation and either help me communicate with people at my college or help me figure out a way to totally bypass the disabilities office altogether, which I am not sure is even possible with science and math classes.
>> 
>> Elizabeth
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L
>> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 11:42 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: KENNEDY STOMBERG <kestomberg at coe.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Where Can I Turn For Some Help?
>> 
>> Hello. Don't worry. :-) I'm not here to tell you to attend the training center. First off, in terms of readers… The beautiful thing about your situation is that you go to college. That gives you options.
>> One option is to try to get someone from your class to help you. Someone from your class is already studying the same material, and if your schedules work, it could work very well for them to help you. They would be learning. And you wouldn't have to pay them. Another option might seem a bit silly, but it does work on college students. Sometimes, hiring a reader is a simple as offering to take them to lunch. Or get them a cup of coffee. Or something like that. But you definitely do not need your disabilities  Office to do that.
>> As for finding someone who can talk to disabilities office and advocate for you, I'm afraid I don't have an answer to that right now. My best suggestion would be to go to someone higher up in the administration. This can seem a bit scary, but I think it may be appropriate for your situation. 
>> When it comes to completing math and science classes, I am not certain. What I mean by this is that it depends. It really depends on what math or science classes you plan to take. If you would be willing to explore this a bit further, I would be willing to help you. I am a student who is manage to find both great success and joy from math and science classes at my university. If you have specific classes in mind that you would like to take, we could talk about  what you would need in terms of accommodations for those classes. If you are looking to find the easiest math and science classes that will require the least amount of accommodations, we could talk about that too. My number is posted at the bottom of this email. If you feel comfortable with this, why don't you give me a call in the next week or so, and we can talk about it? That is a conversation that is best had in person in my opinion. Others may disagree with me, and you may find someone who you find will be more helpful, but I am absolutely willing to help! Because believe me, I know what it is to not have the accommodations you need and science classes.
>> Good luck!
>> Kennedy
>> 
>> Kennedy Stomberg 
>> (218)295-2391 
>> 
>>> On Oct 20, 2016, at 9:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> So the semester I thought would actually turn out well has just started taking a horrible turn for the worsts. I need some help in figuring out how to find a new reader that is not connected to the disabilities office despite the fact that I do not have any money. I also need help in figuring out my accommodations for my classes next semester. And I need help figuring out how I can find someone to help me communicate with the disabilities office.
>>> 
>>> I really hate being a blind student who has other disabilities in addition to my blindness. I have no idea how the hell to keep up my grades for this semester without going completely insane. And I honestly have no idea how the hell I am ever going to be able to complete my science and math classes so that I can actually get my degree.
>>> 
>>> I know the NFB does not help individual cases like mine, so if anyone has any ideas as to where I could find a person I could actually talk to who might be able to help me figure some of this stuff out, I would greatly appreciate hearing from you. I really wish I had known that I was going to be losing what little support I receive from the disabilities office in the middle of the semester. It has turned into a mess that is too complicated for me.
>>> 
>>> But please do not tell me that attending an NFB training center is the answer for me as I do not have the money for that either.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Elizabeth
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 22 05:17:07 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2016 01:17:07 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Where Can I Turn For Some Help?
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Elizabeth,

Sorry to hear things are not working out. I've been through many challenges 
at school, but none like this one. If you'd like to discuss this off list, 
let me know.

It sounds like the science professor is not accomodating you.
Take some time to relax.
Can you talk to the coordinator via phone? I agree that composing long 
emails going back and forth is not real productive. Its not only time 
consuming, but email can often be mis understood. It also zaps your energy. 
I've tried that in the past, and it is hard to do especially when you are 
upset about things and emotions can run high.
I don't understand why you cannot meet them to sort it out. You have a right 
to discuss your accommodations with them; that is what they are paid to do. 
If there is a schedule conflict or something like that, then do it via 
phone. Another idea is you can email the coordinator and request a meeting. 
Give them several time slots that might work for you so they can pick one 
and simply email you back with a time. I believe it is essential to discuss 
it with someone in that office. After all, they hired and are paying this 
reader.

I've had similar feelings about  disability support service, dss, assigned 
readers.
Not all of them have been very good and done their jobs of taking notes and 
helping me, but I have not had the issue you experienced.
I also have had bad readers for exams and wish I can pick my own. But for 
exams, I'm not allowed to use my own readers; it has to be assigned by the 
school.

If you need  a reader for outside class work, like reading texts, you can 
advertise for readers. They can be compensated by you taking them to lunch 
or exchanging other favors. I've advertised and hired my own readers, but I 
have the means to do it from my parents.

However, hiring a reader for class is much harder. Most colleges require you 
to use a reader that they assign for you to go to class and read quizzes and 
exams. I cannot offer a suggestion for that one.
For in class activities, I thought lab work was done in groups. I would 
think your group would be able to describe the activity to you. Can you 
complete the paperwork at home or bring a laptop to class to complete it 
electronically?

For quizzes and exams, I agree that other students reading it would not 
work.
Can you work out another way with the professor? Some ideas are to take it 
outside class at a testing center if the school has one. Another idea is to 
have someone from the department read you the exam. In universities, they 
have teaching assistants, TAs, often. But I think you are at a community 
college so if that is the case, they would not  have a TA.
Maybe you can complete the  exam in the professor's office? Quizzes are 
often short and have 10 questions or less.
I would think the professor could take a little time after class and give 
you the quiz orally.

I hope something can be worked out.

Ashley


-----Original Message----- 
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 7:53 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Where Can I Turn For Some Help?

Hello Kennedy,

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my message. However, right now I 
feel as though I do not have any options available to me. Right now I feel 
as though it is best for me to fire the reader that was assigned to me from 
the disabilities office , and hire my own reader despite the fact that I do 
not have any money, and then figure out how the hell to convince the 
disabilities office to allow me to use this new reader for exams when the 
only way to contact the person in charge of the disabilities office is 
through email. I feel like this is the only thing I can do right now because 
this is how my accommodations were set up for my science class this 
semester, and I feel as though I do not have the ability to figure out a 
whole new set of accommodations during the middle of the semester.

I already understand the concept of using other students in the class as 
readers as they are learning the material anyway. However, I am honestly not 
quite sure how this works when no one in the class will barely talk to me. 
And having another student in the class to read our weekly quizzes and exams 
is most likely not going to work for me.

I tried contacting my science professor all summer long to talk about 
accommodations for her class. However, the only time I was able to meet with 
her was a few days before the start of classes. By this time, it was simply 
too late for me to be able to switch to a different science class with a 
different professor. Since the professor wants us to hand in our lab 
assignments at the end of class in hard copy print, and has random 
activities throughout the class, I thought it would be best for me to have a 
reader in class to help me. In the past I have found it rather difficult to 
find other students to help me complete written assignments in class.

But now I seem to be having a major problem with my reader. AT the beginning 
of the semester, I was told that she did not have a problem sitting through 
the parts of class when I do not need a reader. However, now it appears as 
though she has a problem with it. However, instead of talking to me about 
it, she is talking to other people about it. I know that she has talked to 
the person in charge of the disabilities office, and it is possible that she 
may have talked to my professor as well.

The other day in class, my reader told me that the person in charge of the 
disabilities office was going to be meeting with my professor. I was rather 
taken aback when I heard my reader says this to me because I cannot even 
schedule a meeting with the person in charge of the disabilities office to 
talk about accommodations for next semester. And I thought it was totally 
inappropriate for the person in charge of the disabilities office to be 
meeting or talking to my professor without my permission or talking to me 
about it first. And my professor had something personal happen to her this 
week, so I thought that hearing from the person in charge of the 
disabilities office was the last thing she needed this week.

Since I really did not want to take the time to smooth things over with my 
professor and call out the disabilities office afterwards, I thought the 
best way for me to handle this situation was to see if I could be a part of 
the meeting between the disabilities office and my professor. However, when 
I got to the disabilities office, I was told that there was no meeting 
between the person in charge of the disabilities office and my professor. So 
not only is my reader not willing to talk to me when she has a problem, but 
apparently she has now provided me with incorrect information that only 
caused more confusion and frustration for me.

What I really need to do is to be able to talk with the person in charge of 
the disabilities office in person to try and sort everything out. However, 
this is not an option because the only way I can communicate with this 
person is through email. However, writing emails is really tedious and time 
consuming for me, and I really do not have the time and energy to compose 
fifty million emails to this person when talking to them in person would be 
a more efficient means of communication. But right now I feel as though no 
one at the college understands me or has the ability and authority to help 
me. I am really mad and pissed off that no one seems to want to talk to me 
in regards to using a reader in class. It is like people are speaking for me 
and are totally disrespecting me.

So since no one really wants to talk to me, I feel like the best thing for 
me to do is to simply fire my reader from the disabilities office and 
somehow find my own reader so I can get through the rest of this class. But 
the problem is that I have absolutely no idea where to find a reader who is 
knowledgeable in science who is willing to work for free because I have 
absolutely no way to be able to pay a reader what they should be paid. I 
have absolutely no idea how to talk to the disabilities office to resolve 
this situation or set up accommodations for next semester when I cannot even 
set up a time to talk to the person who is in charge of the disabilities 
office.

I hate my science class. I hate my science professor. I hate the 
disabilities office. And now I hate my reader for my science class. However, 
dropping the class is simply not an option for me. So I am simply trying to 
do my best to make the best out of the situation so I can at least make it 
through the semester and pass my class. But this whole situation is just 
stressing me out and it would really be nice if I had someone who could help 
me figure out the best way to handle this situation and either help me 
communicate with people at my college or help me figure out a way to totally 
bypass the disabilities office altogether, which I am not sure is even 
possible with science and math classes.

Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of KENNEDY 
STOMBERG via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 11:42 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: KENNEDY STOMBERG <kestomberg at coe.edu>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Where Can I Turn For Some Help?

Hello. Don't worry. :-) I'm not here to tell you to attend the training 
center. First off, in terms of readers… The beautiful thing about your 
situation is that you go to college. That gives you options.
One option is to try to get someone from your class to help you. Someone 
from your class is already studying the same material, and if your schedules 
work, it could work very well for them to help you. They would be learning. 
And you wouldn't have to pay them. Another option might seem a bit silly, 
but it does work on college students. Sometimes, hiring a reader is a simple 
as offering to take them to lunch. Or get them a cup of coffee. Or something 
like that. But you definitely do not need your disabilities  Office to do 
that.
As for finding someone who can talk to disabilities office and advocate for 
you, I'm afraid I don't have an answer to that right now. My best suggestion 
would be to go to someone higher up in the administration. This can seem a 
bit scary, but I think it may be appropriate for your situation.
When it comes to completing math and science classes, I am not certain. What 
I mean by this is that it depends. It really depends on what math or science 
classes you plan to take. If you would be willing to explore this a bit 
further, I would be willing to help you. I am a student who is manage to 
find both great success and joy from math and science classes at my 
university. If you have specific classes in mind that you would like to 
take, we could talk about  what you would need in terms of accommodations 
for those classes. If you are looking to find the easiest math and science 
classes that will require the least amount of accommodations, we could talk 
about that too. My number is posted at the bottom of this email. If you feel 
comfortable with this, why don't you give me a call in the next week or so, 
and we can talk about it? That is a conversation that is best had in person 
in my opinion. Others may disagree with me, and you may find someone who you 
find will be more helpful, but I am absolutely willing to help! Because 
believe me, I know what it is to not have the accommodations you need and 
science classes.
Good luck!
Kennedy

Kennedy Stomberg
(218)295-2391

> On Oct 20, 2016, at 9:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> So the semester I thought would actually turn out well has just started 
> taking a horrible turn for the worsts. I need some help in figuring out 
> how to find a new reader that is not connected to the disabilities office 
> despite the fact that I do not have any money. I also need help in 
> figuring out my accommodations for my classes next semester. And I need 
> help figuring out how I can find someone to help me communicate with the 
> disabilities office.
>
> I really hate being a blind student who has other disabilities in addition 
> to my blindness. I have no idea how the hell to keep up my grades for this 
> semester without going completely insane. And I honestly have no idea how 
> the hell I am ever going to be able to complete my science and math 
> classes so that I can actually get my degree.
>
> I know the NFB does not help individual cases like mine, so if anyone has 
> any ideas as to where I could find a person I could actually talk to who 
> might be able to help me figure some of this stuff out, I would greatly 
> appreciate hearing from you. I really wish I had known that I was going to 
> be losing what little support I receive from the disabilities office in 
> the middle of the semester. It has turned into a mess that is too 
> complicated for me.
>
> But please do not tell me that attending an NFB training center is the 
> answer for me as I do not have the money for that either.
>
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> _______________________________________________
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From jab2bs at mtmail.mtsu.edu  Sat Oct 22 16:10:00 2016
From: jab2bs at mtmail.mtsu.edu (James Alan Boehm)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2016 16:10:00 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Where Can I Turn For Some Help?
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Greetings.
 I sense and truly understand your frustration; I have dealt with similar situations.One resource that is available , if you or anyone else is interested, is the Learning Ally College Success program. There are monthly conferences where students can discuss and present current issues. Sometimes a certain topic is presented for discussion. YOu are also paired with a mentor that you can communicate and strategize with.The program is free. You can sign up at www.learningally.org. I am currently a mentor and have found itvery beneficial even for myself. Feel free to reach out to me directly i f I can be of any help!
Best wishes,
James Alan Boehm
Contact Information:
Phone: 901-483-1515
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> On Oct 21, 2016, at 8:18 PM, KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> That  is right. E-mail them. And if they don't respond to your e-mails, keep sending them. Send one every day until you hear back. Squeaky wheels get grease, as the saying goes! If that doesn't work, take it to someone in administration such as the dean of his faculty. Good luck! :) 
> 
> Kennedy Stomberg 
> (218)295-2391 
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Aleeha Dudley via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Elizabeth,
>> Here's the thing. I understand that writing emails is tedious and a pain and takes time out of your day, but it looks like that is what has to happen. Write a quick email to the director, simply stating that you would like to meet with them, and asking them what time they are available. You do not have to weigh out the entire story in the email, that's for the meeting. Keep it short and brief, but this is the only way you're going to resolve this problem. Communication with Disability Services offices about how accommodations are or are not working is essential to your success, especially in math and science courses. If this reader is not working for you, then talk to Disability Services about it if they have agreed to pay for them. They don't like to hear that a reader isn't doing their job. As others have said, hiring a reader or a driver is as easy as buying them lunch or coffee, it doesn't have to take a lot of your money. Of course, the better paid they are, the harder they work. Are you a part of your state vocational rehabilitation services? If not, this could be another avenue for getting some funding to help with readers. I definitely understand being the poor college kid. I live it every day.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 6:53 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Kennedy,
>>> 
>>> Thank you for taking the time to respond to my message. However, right now I feel as though I do not have any options available to me. Right now I feel as though it is best for me to fire the reader that was assigned to me from the disabilities office , and hire my own reader despite the fact that I do not have any money, and then figure out how the hell to convince the disabilities office to allow me to use this new reader for exams when the only way to contact the person in charge of the disabilities office is through email. I feel like this is the only thing I can do right now because this is how my accommodations were set up for my science class this semester, and I feel as though I do not have the ability to figure out a whole new set of accommodations during the middle of the semester.
>>> 
>>> I already understand the concept of using other students in the class as readers as they are learning the material anyway. However, I am honestly not quite sure how this works when no one in the class will barely talk to me. And having another student in the class to read our weekly quizzes and exams is most likely not going to work for me.
>>> 
>>> I tried contacting my science professor all summer long to talk about accommodations for her class. However, the only time I was able to meet with her was a few days before the start of classes. By this time, it was simply too late for me to be able to switch to a different science class with a different professor. Since the professor wants us to hand in our lab assignments at the end of class in hard copy print, and has random activities throughout the class, I thought it would be best for me to have a reader in class to help me. In the past I have found it rather difficult to find other students to help me complete written assignments in class.
>>> 
>>> But now I seem to be having a major problem with my reader. AT the beginning of the semester, I was told that she did not have a problem sitting through the parts of class when I do not need a reader. However, now it appears as though she has a problem with it. However, instead of talking to me about it, she is talking to other people about it. I know that she has talked to the person in charge of the disabilities office, and it is possible that she may have talked to my professor as well.
>>> 
>>> The other day in class, my reader told me that the person in charge of the disabilities office was going to be meeting with my professor. I was rather taken aback when I heard my reader says this to me because I cannot even schedule a meeting with the person in charge of the disabilities office to talk about accommodations for next semester. And I thought it was totally inappropriate for the person in charge of the disabilities office to be meeting or talking to my professor without my permission or talking to me about it first. And my professor had something personal happen to her this week, so I thought that hearing from the person in charge of the disabilities office was the last thing she needed this week.
>>> 
>>> Since I really did not want to take the time to smooth things over with my professor and call out the disabilities office afterwards, I thought the best way for me to handle this situation was to see if I could be a part of the meeting between the disabilities office and my professor. However, when I got to the disabilities office, I was told that there was no meeting between the person in charge of the disabilities office and my professor. So not only is my reader not willing to talk to me when she has a problem, but apparently she has now provided me with incorrect information that only caused more confusion and frustration for me.
>>> 
>>> What I really need to do is to be able to talk with the person in charge of the disabilities office in person to try and sort everything out. However, this is not an option because the only way I can communicate with this person is through email. However, writing emails is really tedious and time consuming for me, and I really do not have the time and energy to compose fifty million emails to this person when talking to them in person would be a more efficient means of communication. But right now I feel as though no one at the college understands me or has the ability and authority to help me. I am really mad and pissed off that no one seems to want to talk to me in regards to using a reader in class. It is like people are speaking for me and are totally disrespecting me.
>>> 
>>> So since no one really wants to talk to me, I feel like the best thing for me to do is to simply fire my reader from the disabilities office and somehow find my own reader so I can get through the rest of this class. But the problem is that I have absolutely no idea where to find a reader who is knowledgeable in science who is willing to work for free because I have absolutely no way to be able to pay a reader what they should be paid. I have absolutely no idea how to talk to the disabilities office to resolve this situation or set up accommodations for next semester when I cannot even set up a time to talk to the person who is in charge of the disabilities office.
>>> 
>>> I hate my science class. I hate my science professor. I hate the disabilities office. And now I hate my reader for my science class. However, dropping the class is simply not an option for me. So I am simply trying to do my best to make the best out of the situation so I can at least make it through the semester and pass my class. But this whole situation is just stressing me out and it would really be nice if I had someone who could help me figure out the best way to handle this situation and either help me communicate with people at my college or help me figure out a way to totally bypass the disabilities office altogether, which I am not sure is even possible with science and math classes.
>>> 
>>> Elizabeth
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 11:42 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: KENNEDY STOMBERG <kestomberg at coe.edu>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Where Can I Turn For Some Help?
>>> 
>>> Hello. Don't worry. :-) I'm not here to tell you to attend the training center. First off, in terms of readers… The beautiful thing about your situation is that you go to college. That gives you options.
>>> One option is to try to get someone from your class to help you. Someone from your class is already studying the same material, and if your schedules work, it could work very well for them to help you. They would be learning. And you wouldn't have to pay them. Another option might seem a bit silly, but it does work on college students. Sometimes, hiring a reader is a simple as offering to take them to lunch. Or get them a cup of coffee. Or something like that. But you definitely do not need your disabilities  Office to do that.
>>> As for finding someone who can talk to disabilities office and advocate for you, I'm afraid I don't have an answer to that right now. My best suggestion would be to go to someone higher up in the administration. This can seem a bit scary, but I think it may be appropriate for your situation. 
>>> When it comes to completing math and science classes, I am not certain. What I mean by this is that it depends. It really depends on what math or science classes you plan to take. If you would be willing to explore this a bit further, I would be willing to help you. I am a student who is manage to find both great success and joy from math and science classes at my university. If you have specific classes in mind that you would like to take, we could talk about  what you would need in terms of accommodations for those classes. If you are looking to find the easiest math and science classes that will require the least amount of accommodations, we could talk about that too. My number is posted at the bottom of this email. If you feel comfortable with this, why don't you give me a call in the next week or so, and we can talk about it? That is a conversation that is best had in person in my opinion. Others may disagree with me, and you may find someone who you find will be more helpful, but I am absolutely willing to help! Because believe me, I know what it is to not have the accommodations you need and science classes.
>>> Good luck!
>>> Kennedy
>>> 
>>> Kennedy Stomberg 
>>> (218)295-2391 
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 20, 2016, at 9:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello All,
>>>> 
>>>> So the semester I thought would actually turn out well has just started taking a horrible turn for the worsts. I need some help in figuring out how to find a new reader that is not connected to the disabilities office despite the fact that I do not have any money. I also need help in figuring out my accommodations for my classes next semester. And I need help figuring out how I can find someone to help me communicate with the disabilities office.
>>>> 
>>>> I really hate being a blind student who has other disabilities in addition to my blindness. I have no idea how the hell to keep up my grades for this semester without going completely insane. And I honestly have no idea how the hell I am ever going to be able to complete my science and math classes so that I can actually get my degree.
>>>> 
>>>> I know the NFB does not help individual cases like mine, so if anyone has any ideas as to where I could find a person I could actually talk to who might be able to help me figure some of this stuff out, I would greatly appreciate hearing from you. I really wish I had known that I was going to be losing what little support I receive from the disabilities office in the middle of the semester. It has turned into a mess that is too complicated for me.
>>>> 
>>>> But please do not tell me that attending an NFB training center is the answer for me as I do not have the money for that either.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Elizabeth
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 22 16:27:10 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2016 12:27:10 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Where Can I Turn For Some Help?
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Elizabeth,

Again, I'm empathetic to your situation. I've had unresponsibe professors 
and unresponsibe readers.
I hope you find some time and ways to relax. To help you advocate, you might 
find a disability rights organization in your area. Often centers for 
independent living have such advocates available.

It is not clear why you hate the professor since your message discussed 
problems with your reader and the dss office.

If your professor is not accommodating you, talk to them about it. If no 
results come, then, talk to the higher ups which is probably the assistant 
dean or dean of the department. You should also write down and document what 
is happening so follow up any meetings with letters.
Also, to avoid a bad grade, you might advocate for and hopefully obtain an 
incomplete. Having an incomplete will enable you to complete some of the 
work next semester. This is probably not possible to do the lab work next 
semester since you have to be there in the lab to participate and learn. But 
you could take the other parts of the science class later; I mean study on 
your own and then complete any assignments and tests.

I really hope things work out for you!

Ashley


-----Original Message----- 
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 7:53 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Where Can I Turn For Some Help?

Hello Kennedy,

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my message. However, right now I 
feel as though I do not have any options available to me. Right now I feel 
as though it is best for me to fire the reader that was assigned to me from 
the disabilities office , and hire my own reader despite the fact that I do 
not have any money, and then figure out how the hell to convince the 
disabilities office to allow me to use this new reader for exams when the 
only way to contact the person in charge of the disabilities office is 
through email. I feel like this is the only thing I can do right now because 
this is how my accommodations were set up for my science class this 
semester, and I feel as though I do not have the ability to figure out a 
whole new set of accommodations during the middle of the semester.

I already understand the concept of using other students in the class as 
readers as they are learning the material anyway. However, I am honestly not 
quite sure how this works when no one in the class will barely talk to me. 
And having another student in the class to read our weekly quizzes and exams 
is most likely not going to work for me.

I tried contacting my science professor all summer long to talk about 
accommodations for her class. However, the only time I was able to meet with 
her was a few days before the start of classes. By this time, it was simply 
too late for me to be able to switch to a different science class with a 
different professor. Since the professor wants us to hand in our lab 
assignments at the end of class in hard copy print, and has random 
activities throughout the class, I thought it would be best for me to have a 
reader in class to help me. In the past I have found it rather difficult to 
find other students to help me complete written assignments in class.

But now I seem to be having a major problem with my reader. AT the beginning 
of the semester, I was told that she did not have a problem sitting through 
the parts of class when I do not need a reader. However, now it appears as 
though she has a problem with it. However, instead of talking to me about 
it, she is talking to other people about it. I know that she has talked to 
the person in charge of the disabilities office, and it is possible that she 
may have talked to my professor as well.

The other day in class, my reader told me that the person in charge of the 
disabilities office was going to be meeting with my professor. I was rather 
taken aback when I heard my reader says this to me because I cannot even 
schedule a meeting with the person in charge of the disabilities office to 
talk about accommodations for next semester. And I thought it was totally 
inappropriate for the person in charge of the disabilities office to be 
meeting or talking to my professor without my permission or talking to me 
about it first. And my professor had something personal happen to her this 
week, so I thought that hearing from the person in charge of the 
disabilities office was the last thing she needed this week.

Since I really did not want to take the time to smooth things over with my 
professor and call out the disabilities office afterwards, I thought the 
best way for me to handle this situation was to see if I could be a part of 
the meeting between the disabilities office and my professor. However, when 
I got to the disabilities office, I was told that there was no meeting 
between the person in charge of the disabilities office and my professor. So 
not only is my reader not willing to talk to me when she has a problem, but 
apparently she has now provided me with incorrect information that only 
caused more confusion and frustration for me.

What I really need to do is to be able to talk with the person in charge of 
the disabilities office in person to try and sort everything out. However, 
this is not an option because the only way I can communicate with this 
person is through email. However, writing emails is really tedious and time 
consuming for me, and I really do not have the time and energy to compose 
fifty million emails to this person when talking to them in person would be 
a more efficient means of communication. But right now I feel as though no 
one at the college understands me or has the ability and authority to help 
me. I am really mad and pissed off that no one seems to want to talk to me 
in regards to using a reader in class. It is like people are speaking for me 
and are totally disrespecting me.

So since no one really wants to talk to me, I feel like the best thing for 
me to do is to simply fire my reader from the disabilities office and 
somehow find my own reader so I can get through the rest of this class. But 
the problem is that I have absolutely no idea where to find a reader who is 
knowledgeable in science who is willing to work for free because I have 
absolutely no way to be able to pay a reader what they should be paid. I 
have absolutely no idea how to talk to the disabilities office to resolve 
this situation or set up accommodations for next semester when I cannot even 
set up a time to talk to the person who is in charge of the disabilities 
office.

I hate my science class. I hate my science professor. I hate the 
disabilities office. And now I hate my reader for my science class. However, 
dropping the class is simply not an option for me. So I am simply trying to 
do my best to make the best out of the situation so I can at least make it 
through the semester and pass my class. But this whole situation is just 
stressing me out and it would really be nice if I had someone who could help 
me figure out the best way to handle this situation and either help me 
communicate with people at my college or help me figure out a way to totally 
bypass the disabilities office altogether, which I am not sure is even 
possible with science and math classes.

Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of KENNEDY 
STOMBERG via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 11:42 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: KENNEDY STOMBERG <kestomberg at coe.edu>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Where Can I Turn For Some Help?

Hello. Don't worry. :-) I'm not here to tell you to attend the training 
center. First off, in terms of readers… The beautiful thing about your 
situation is that you go to college. That gives you options.
One option is to try to get someone from your class to help you. Someone 
from your class is already studying the same material, and if your schedules 
work, it could work very well for them to help you. They would be learning. 
And you wouldn't have to pay them. Another option might seem a bit silly, 
but it does work on college students. Sometimes, hiring a reader is a simple 
as offering to take them to lunch. Or get them a cup of coffee. Or something 
like that. But you definitely do not need your disabilities  Office to do 
that.
As for finding someone who can talk to disabilities office and advocate for 
you, I'm afraid I don't have an answer to that right now. My best suggestion 
would be to go to someone higher up in the administration. This can seem a 
bit scary, but I think it may be appropriate for your situation.
When it comes to completing math and science classes, I am not certain. What 
I mean by this is that it depends. It really depends on what math or science 
classes you plan to take. If you would be willing to explore this a bit 
further, I would be willing to help you. I am a student who is manage to 
find both great success and joy from math and science classes at my 
university. If you have specific classes in mind that you would like to 
take, we could talk about  what you would need in terms of accommodations 
for those classes. If you are looking to find the easiest math and science 
classes that will require the least amount of accommodations, we could talk 
about that too. My number is posted at the bottom of this email. If you feel 
comfortable with this, why don't you give me a call in the next week or so, 
and we can talk about it? That is a conversation that is best had in person 
in my opinion. Others may disagree with me, and you may find someone who you 
find will be more helpful, but I am absolutely willing to help! Because 
believe me, I know what it is to not have the accommodations you need and 
science classes.
Good luck!
Kennedy

Kennedy Stomberg
(218)295-2391

> On Oct 20, 2016, at 9:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> So the semester I thought would actually turn out well has just started 
> taking a horrible turn for the worsts. I need some help in figuring out 
> how to find a new reader that is not connected to the disabilities office 
> despite the fact that I do not have any money. I also need help in 
> figuring out my accommodations for my classes next semester. And I need 
> help figuring out how I can find someone to help me communicate with the 
> disabilities office.
>
> I really hate being a blind student who has other disabilities in addition 
> to my blindness. I have no idea how the hell to keep up my grades for this 
> semester without going completely insane. And I honestly have no idea how 
> the hell I am ever going to be able to complete my science and math 
> classes so that I can actually get my degree.
>
> I know the NFB does not help individual cases like mine, so if anyone has 
> any ideas as to where I could find a person I could actually talk to who 
> might be able to help me figure some of this stuff out, I would greatly 
> appreciate hearing from you. I really wish I had known that I was going to 
> be losing what little support I receive from the disabilities office in 
> the middle of the semester. It has turned into a mess that is too 
> complicated for me.
>
> But please do not tell me that attending an NFB training center is the 
> answer for me as I do not have the money for that either.
>
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> _______________________________________________
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> NABS-L:
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 22 18:15:01 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2016 18:15:01 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Where Can I Turn For Some Help?
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Hello All,

Thank you to everyone who responded to my email. However, once again, I really regret posting my questions on this email list. I feel more isolated and misunderstood after sending my questions about how I could figure out a way to remain a part of my science class despite the fact that my professor is not a really good professor and the disabilities office has some sort of problem providing the accommodations they said they were going to provide for this class.

Unfortunately, I simply do not have the time,  energy, or ability  to change the culture of the college in terms of the accommodations they provide to blind students. The college simply does not understand as the college keeps implementing and purchasing new technology across campus that is simply not accessible to blind students. So I am sorry that I am simply not strong enough to take on an institution that keeps demonstrating that it is against blind students. 

All I really want to do is figure out a way to pass my class so that it does not ruin my transcript and my scholarship. If the college is not willing to provide me with the accommodations that I need, then I need to look somewhere else to receive them. And right now I feel as though I cannot wage war against my college while frantically searching for outside resources to help provide the accommodations the disabilities office is having a problem providing to me.

But right now I really need my rest as it has been really long tough week for me, and I imagine next week is not going to be any easier. Once I find my own readers outside the disabilities office, they most likely will not be too happy with me, and I will most likely have to fight with them in order to use my own readers. But if they are not willing to discuss the problems they are encountering in providing me with the accommodations they said they would provide, then I feel as though finding my own reader is my only real choice for being able to remain in this class.

But I need to spend the weekend getting some good rest so I can face a busy week next week that will most likely be just as challenging as this week. Therefore, I will most likely not be responding to any more messages regarding this issue this weekend. Composing messages takes up a lot of time and energy, and I really need my rest.

Take care,
Elizabeth

From redwing731 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 22 18:43:14 2016
From: redwing731 at gmail.com (Kendra Schaber)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2016 11:43:14 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Where Can I Turn For Some Help?
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Greetings!!! 
When you get rested up, explain your situation to the presadent with the request to ask the NFB to sue the college. Turn arround, ask your local sorority girls for volunteers to help out and also  ask your local vocation center for the blind about hireing readers to get past your science class. That's the least you can do to get around this one. Good luck!!! 

 

I hope you have a good day! 
Blessed be!!! 
Kendra  
Here is a  little about myself. 
I am a graduate of both  the Oregon School for the Blind and Oregon City High School. I am a blind Pagan. I have work experience in gardening. I also am a crafter and painter.  I like to read, write and do anything on an iPhone.  
I am a die hard fan of the following: 
J. k. Rowling's Harry Potter Books, 
 J. R. R. Tolkien's Middle Earth books, 
C. S. Lewis's  Kronicals of Narnia books, 
L. Frank Baum's  Oz books,  
Pittsburgh, Penguins,  
 Detroit, Red Wings,  
Baltimore, Ravens,  
 Seattle, Sea Hawks,  
 Oregon State Beavers,  
 Portland, Winter Hawks, 
And anything to do with bald eagles.   
"When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author Unknown. 
The best roads are some where out there. 
My job is to discover them. 
Blindness has often tested me. 
 
Love has shown me that I can see the long awaited  stars. 
Salem, Oregon showed me the way home. 
Baltimore, Maryland showed me the way to the stars. 
Seattle, Washington showed me that I still can fly like I have always flown.  
Paganism has allowed me to fly higher than I ever have before. 
As I fly, I not only have dreams come true, I also discover where those dreams come from. 
 
As I move through life, I notice the many ways where my beliefs not only ring true, but also proven to be true by others. 
I am soaring like a bald eagle as I set out to live the life I want. 
I believe that everything is interconnected and full of magic. 
I am happily living with my wonderful boyfriend in Salem, Oregon. 
Blessed be!!! 
Kendra Schaber, 
National Federation of the Blind, 
Capitol Chapter, 
Salem, Oregon, 
Live the Life You Want. 
 
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Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus,  
Totally accessable to blind users.  


> On Oct 22, 2016, at 11:15, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Thank you to everyone who responded to my email. However, once again, I really regret posting my questions on this email list. I feel more isolated and misunderstood after sending my questions about how I could figure out a way to remain a part of my science class despite the fact that my professor is not a really good professor and the disabilities office has some sort of problem providing the accommodations they said they were going to provide for this class.
> 
> Unfortunately, I simply do not have the time,  energy, or ability  to change the culture of the college in terms of the accommodations they provide to blind students. The college simply does not understand as the college keeps implementing and purchasing new technology across campus that is simply not accessible to blind students. So I am sorry that I am simply not strong enough to take on an institution that keeps demonstrating that it is against blind students. 
> 
> All I really want to do is figure out a way to pass my class so that it does not ruin my transcript and my scholarship. If the college is not willing to provide me with the accommodations that I need, then I need to look somewhere else to receive them. And right now I feel as though I cannot wage war against my college while frantically searching for outside resources to help provide the accommodations the disabilities office is having a problem providing to me.
> 
> But right now I really need my rest as it has been really long tough week for me, and I imagine next week is not going to be any easier. Once I find my own readers outside the disabilities office, they most likely will not be too happy with me, and I will most likely have to fight with them in order to use my own readers. But if they are not willing to discuss the problems they are encountering in providing me with the accommodations they said they would provide, then I feel as though finding my own reader is my only real choice for being able to remain in this class.
> 
> But I need to spend the weekend getting some good rest so I can face a busy week next week that will most likely be just as challenging as this week. Therefore, I will most likely not be responding to any more messages regarding this issue this weekend. Composing messages takes up a lot of time and energy, and I really need my rest.
> 
> Take care,
> Elizabeth
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From jessandellie101611 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 22 18:59:47 2016
From: jessandellie101611 at gmail.com (Jess Trask)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2016 14:59:47 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Where Can I Turn For Some Help?
In-Reply-To: <0993AD20-5DA4-4A47-9566-B0DD661523A4@gmail.com>
References: <SN1PR12MB0159774C0629071A11021322BAD40@SN1PR12MB0159.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
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	<SN1PR12MB01590192551A6C6F3DF2FE45BAD40@SN1PR12MB0159.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
	<986711FD018C457F9386DB726BE9FFAA@OwnerPC>
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	<0993AD20-5DA4-4A47-9566-B0DD661523A4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+gC3JEKOe0xcUyGHTAoj31ub-uRW+6fo3ZekXMGok3=XsRVxw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Elizabeth,
What state are you in? Are you working with your services for the blind in
your state? Your rehab counselor might be will to help advocate for
yourself?
What are some of your other disabilities if you don't mind me asking?

On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Kendra Schaber via NABS-L <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Greetings!!!
> When you get rested up, explain your situation to the presadent with the
> request to ask the NFB to sue the college. Turn arround, ask your local
> sorority girls for volunteers to help out and also  ask your local vocation
> center for the blind about hireing readers to get past your science class.
> That's the least you can do to get around this one. Good luck!!!
>
>
>
> I hope you have a good day!
> Blessed be!!!
> Kendra
> Here is a  little about myself.
> I am a graduate of both  the Oregon School for the Blind and Oregon City
> High School. I am a blind Pagan. I have work experience in gardening. I
> also am a crafter and painter.  I like to read, write and do anything on an
> iPhone.
> I am a die hard fan of the following:
> J. k. Rowling's Harry Potter Books,
>  J. R. R. Tolkien's Middle Earth books,
> C. S. Lewis's  Kronicals of Narnia books,
> L. Frank Baum's  Oz books,
> Pittsburgh, Penguins,
>  Detroit, Red Wings,
> Baltimore, Ravens,
>  Seattle, Sea Hawks,
>  Oregon State Beavers,
>  Portland, Winter Hawks,
> And anything to do with bald eagles.
> "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author Unknown.
> The best roads are some where out there.
> My job is to discover them.
> Blindness has often tested me.
>
> Love has shown me that I can see the long awaited  stars.
> Salem, Oregon showed me the way home.
> Baltimore, Maryland showed me the way to the stars.
> Seattle, Washington showed me that I still can fly like I have always
> flown.
> Paganism has allowed me to fly higher than I ever have before.
> As I fly, I not only have dreams come true, I also discover where those
> dreams come from.
>
> As I move through life, I notice the many ways where my beliefs not only
> ring true, but also proven to be true by others.
> I am soaring like a bald eagle as I set out to live the life I want.
> I believe that everything is interconnected and full of magic.
> I am happily living with my wonderful boyfriend in Salem, Oregon.
> Blessed be!!!
> Kendra Schaber,
> National Federation of the Blind,
> Capitol Chapter,
> Salem, Oregon,
> Live the Life You Want.
>
> Sent from my E Mail Inbox,
> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus,
> Totally accessable to blind users.
>
>
> > On Oct 22, 2016, at 11:15, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > Thank you to everyone who responded to my email. However, once again, I
> really regret posting my questions on this email list. I feel more isolated
> and misunderstood after sending my questions about how I could figure out a
> way to remain a part of my science class despite the fact that my professor
> is not a really good professor and the disabilities office has some sort of
> problem providing the accommodations they said they were going to provide
> for this class.
> >
> > Unfortunately, I simply do not have the time,  energy, or ability  to
> change the culture of the college in terms of the accommodations they
> provide to blind students. The college simply does not understand as the
> college keeps implementing and purchasing new technology across campus that
> is simply not accessible to blind students. So I am sorry that I am simply
> not strong enough to take on an institution that keeps demonstrating that
> it is against blind students.
> >
> > All I really want to do is figure out a way to pass my class so that it
> does not ruin my transcript and my scholarship. If the college is not
> willing to provide me with the accommodations that I need, then I need to
> look somewhere else to receive them. And right now I feel as though I
> cannot wage war against my college while frantically searching for outside
> resources to help provide the accommodations the disabilities office is
> having a problem providing to me.
> >
> > But right now I really need my rest as it has been really long tough
> week for me, and I imagine next week is not going to be any easier. Once I
> find my own readers outside the disabilities office, they most likely will
> not be too happy with me, and I will most likely have to fight with them in
> order to use my own readers. But if they are not willing to discuss the
> problems they are encountering in providing me with the accommodations they
> said they would provide, then I feel as though finding my own reader is my
> only real choice for being able to remain in this class.
> >
> > But I need to spend the weekend getting some good rest so I can face a
> busy week next week that will most likely be just as challenging as this
> week. Therefore, I will most likely not be responding to any more messages
> regarding this issue this weekend. Composing messages takes up a lot of
> time and energy, and I really need my rest.
> >
> > Take care,
> > Elizabeth
> > _______________________________________________
> > NABS-L mailing list
> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NABS-L:
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> redwing731%40gmail.com
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>



-- 
Jess

From martinezana770 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 23 22:03:24 2016
From: martinezana770 at gmail.com (Ana Martinez)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 17:03:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] question about sports programs for the blind
Message-ID: <E26E8694-0F02-43B6-AB23-FC22F2E625E9@gmail.com>

hi all, hope everyone is having a good weekend. I have a question, has any of you been involved in any program or trip with opportunities unlimited for the blind? if so how was your experience? do they believe in the NFB philosophy? Thanks☺️

Sent from my iPhone

From discoduck221 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 23 22:37:24 2016
From: discoduck221 at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 16:37:24 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] The Welcome To Colorado Djd Invasion Show happens Tonight
Message-ID: <CA+Wnc9Trqdtp1qcHexJd2dLeRkHZCzMTzvto51RRiuaOTR4-Og@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All!
Are you ready for some Djd Invasion Sunday night magic? Ready for
music to make you dance? Ready for some rock, pop, country and more?
Are you ready to experience for the first time or the hundredth time a
Djd Invasion show? Will the internet hold up for it to happen?

Find out all on KJSC Radio, as the special Djd Invasion show takes to
the sky at 8 PM eastern (7 PM central, 6 PM mountain, 5 PM pacific).
I'm finally settled in Colorado, and thought it was time to do a show
to celebrate that, help me relax some, and most importantly, have fun
and entertain.

During the show, you can make requests by going to
http://djdrocks.online/requests

Skype with us at
kjsc.radio
or call us at
602-399-7279
To listen you can
Access the tunein page via your browser at
http://onj.me/kjscradio
Search for Tunein in the app store then look for
KJSC Radio
or tune in at
http://kjscradio.com/classic/radio.php

Regardless of how you tune in, I hope you'll enjoy the first Djd
Invasion show ever to air in Colorado, as I try to make the weekend
leaving us not seem so bad with some good music and fun.
All the best,
David Dunphy


From sawhney.kartik at gmail.com  Sun Oct 23 22:53:45 2016
From: sawhney.kartik at gmail.com (Kartik Sawhney)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 15:53:45 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] NextBillion.org mentorship program for students with
 disabilities 2017
Message-ID: <CACQLpmfuvJmzJt+FSF1K68V6BXO7p9658Bm7DUUSqOk_EAYomQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

Sharing the details about an exciting mentorship program.

-------

Deadline: October 27, 2016

Applications are now open for the 2017 NextBillion.org Mentorship
Program for People with Disabilities. This is a mentorship program
connecting people with disabilities to industry leaders in the
technology space.

NextBillion.org is a community where people with disabilities connect
with industry leaders in technology to build empowering mentorships,
and where businesses can provide opportunities to diversify their
workforce. The first cohort is a 12-week mentorship program from
December 3, 2016 to February 4, 2017. They connect mentees and mentors
(industry leaders) based on shared experiences, goals and stories.
Their focus for this cohort is the field of technology.

Benefits
•Access to a community of people with disabilities and industry leaders
•Special opportunities to connect with our 20+ community partner organizations.
•A tailored mentorship program over 12-weeks to help you achieve your
personal and professional goals.
•A team to help guide your mentorship and help you make the best of it.

Eligibility

Anyone with a disability and an interest in technology can apply as a
mentee, and any industry leaders in technology (with or without
disabilities) are welcome to apply as mentors. If you are selected as
a mentee, the program would require approximately 2 hours per week in
terms of time commitments.

For Mentees, applicants should:
•Have a visible or invisible disability;
•Have an interest in technology (product, engineering, design, marketing, etc.)
•Be able to commit 2 hours per week towards the mentorship program.
•Be passionate to learn from an inclusive community.

To apply as a mentor, you:
•Must have industry experience in technology (product, engineering,
design, marketing, etc.)
•Should be able to commit 2 hours per week towards the mentorship program,
•May or may not have disability
•Should be passionate about sharing knowledge and experiences with
people with disabilities.

There is no age limit on the program.

Application

To apply as a mentor or mentee, go to nextbillion.org or contact us at
connect at nextbillion.org.

-- 
-Kartik Sawhney,
+1-(510) 766-3419
linkedin.com/in/kartiksawhney/


From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Mon Oct 24 02:13:31 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 19:13:31 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] question about sports programs for the blind
In-Reply-To: <E26E8694-0F02-43B6-AB23-FC22F2E625E9@gmail.com>
References: <E26E8694-0F02-43B6-AB23-FC22F2E625E9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F0CB560B-B053-476C-9DCC-2E0753077413@gmail.com>

Hi Ana,
I went to a camp that was part of a blindness convention in my state when I was 12. It was not an NFB convention, it was a convention for transcribers and educators. The camp was called Campabilities. We did judo, rowing, goalball, swimming, and running.  There has not been one in a while, I think it was very volunteer based but it was a great experience.
Vejas 

> On Oct 23, 2016, at 15:03, Ana Martinez via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> hi all, hope everyone is having a good weekend. I have a question, has any of you been involved in any program or trip with opportunities unlimited for the blind? if so how was your experience? do they believe in the NFB philosophy? Thanks☺️
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> _______________________________________________
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> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Mon Oct 24 02:23:09 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 19:23:09 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Google Glass
Message-ID: <AD0698BA-E7CF-425F-9061-05D882023DDB@gmail.com>

Hi all,
I hope you are doing well.
I was wondering  what these of you who  either own or who have seen the most recent instalment of google glass thinks. I just had my state convention this weekend, and they were sharing their new feature, where an agent from EIRA can help direct you to finding places. I've tested this out, and this is what I think.
I felt like it was  very interesting having an agent being able to see and hear where I was going. However, I feel that for the expense of it, I might benefit more from just talking to people I see if I need help along the way.
I am very curious to see the development of this product and was wondering what you all thought. I have 2 other concerns about it as well. The first is that they are going to have to figure out what to do when more people are needing help than agents that are available. My other worry is that people are going to use this as a substitute for OANDM skills. While it goes  without saying that we need to still use our own  mental maps, I know when I was at convention I was trying to focus in on what my agent was saying in the midst of all convention hubbub.  
Thanks,
Vejas  

From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 25 00:06:00 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 00:06:00 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions About the Disabilities Office and Readers
Message-ID: <SN1PR12MB0159EE735F22E1203239517ABAA80@SN1PR12MB0159.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Hello All,

I have some more questions as it relates to using readers during class from the disabilities office. I chose to use a reader for my science class as I thought it was the best option for me based on the way my professor teaches this class. Since my professor likes to do random activities in hard copy print, I thought the best way to be accommodated for this class was to have a reader for the full duration of each class period. I felt as though this was the best way for me to be able to participate in class along with my sighted classmates.

However, last week my reader informed me that the person in charge of the disabilities office was going to be meeting with my professor to talk about some things related to the class. I thought this was rather odd as the person in charge of the disabilities office did not contact me about meeting with my professor. I feel as though having the person in charge of the disabilities office contacting my professor without contacting me first is inappropriate. However, the person in charge of the disabilities office does not agree with me.

I was informed that the readers and the person in charge of the disabilities office connect with each other throughout the semester to talk about the in-class reader assistance to see if any changes need to be made. As a part of this process, the person in charge of the disabilities office will often contact the professor to ask them questions related to the structure and format of the class. I do not agree with the person in charge being able to contact my professor without talking to me about it first regardless of the reason. The accommodations are between me and the disabilities office and not my professor and the disabilities office.

So I am simply curious, what are the typical guidelines and procedures in regards to the person in charge of contacting professors without talking to a student about it first? Are there any reasons or circumstances where it would be okay for the person in charge of the disabilities office to contact my professor without talking to me about it first? I do not believe there would be any reason for the person in charge of the disabilities office to contact my professor without talking to me about it first. Therefore, I thought I would ask about it on this email list to receive different perspectives in regards to this issue. Any information anyone could provide in regards to this matter would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Elizabeth

From jameyanne at gmail.com  Tue Oct 25 00:58:50 2016
From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 20:58:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions About the Disabilities Office and
 Readers
In-Reply-To: <SN1PR12MB0159EE735F22E1203239517ABAA80@SN1PR12MB0159.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SN1PR12MB0159EE735F22E1203239517ABAA80@SN1PR12MB0159.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <008401d22e5a$f3fcc8d0$dbf65a70$@gmail.com>

Hello Elizabeth,
I don't know if there are official guidelines anywhere. A good place to look
is your university's policies on their website.
When I was in college and now that I'm in grad school it's pretty common for
the disabilities services office to talk with my professors, at a minimum to
get material they would need to prepare in an alternate format for me or to
clarify schedules, but also to get the professor's perspective on how the
accommodations were working out on their end or to answer professors'
questions about specific projects. I don't think I knew specifically when
they would talk, but it never really bothered me. I also made sure I was in
regular contact with the disabilities services office and my professors to
let them know that accommodations were either working out or needed some
adjustment. I went to a small liberal arts college, and there wasn't a lot
of structure to how this happened. A lot of the time it would be informal
conversations between me and disabilities services or me and my professors
or my professors and disabilities services that I would hear about. Now that
I'm at a large law school, it's much more organized about it. The
accessibility office communicates directly with my professors' faculty
assistants to get materials and the powerpoints for class, or else with the
registrar about exam accommodations because exams are graded anonymously.
Once I filled out all the forms, I really don't have to do anything accept
let them know if I'm having a problem.
Once in college I had a reader for using Maple in math class because it was
totally inaccessible, and I know she was communicating with the professor
and disabilities services office, but like I said it never bothered me.
If you're uncomfortable with this, it seems reasonable to me that you should
be able to ask disabilities services what will be discussed or even to be
present at the meeting.
But I really don't know a lot about this, so I'm interested to hear what
others say on the subject.
Best,
Jameyanne

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Mohnke via NABS-L
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 8:06 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions About the Disabilities Office and Readers

Hello All,

I have some more questions as it relates to using readers during class from
the disabilities office. I chose to use a reader for my science class as I
thought it was the best option for me based on the way my professor teaches
this class. Since my professor likes to do random activities in hard copy
print, I thought the best way to be accommodated for this class was to have
a reader for the full duration of each class period. I felt as though this
was the best way for me to be able to participate in class along with my
sighted classmates.

However, last week my reader informed me that the person in charge of the
disabilities office was going to be meeting with my professor to talk about
some things related to the class. I thought this was rather odd as the
person in charge of the disabilities office did not contact me about meeting
with my professor. I feel as though having the person in charge of the
disabilities office contacting my professor without contacting me first is
inappropriate. However, the person in charge of the disabilities office does
not agree with me.

I was informed that the readers and the person in charge of the disabilities
office connect with each other throughout the semester to talk about the
in-class reader assistance to see if any changes need to be made. As a part
of this process, the person in charge of the disabilities office will often
contact the professor to ask them questions related to the structure and
format of the class. I do not agree with the person in charge being able to
contact my professor without talking to me about it first regardless of the
reason. The accommodations are between me and the disabilities office and
not my professor and the disabilities office.

So I am simply curious, what are the typical guidelines and procedures in
regards to the person in charge of contacting professors without talking to
a student about it first? Are there any reasons or circumstances where it
would be okay for the person in charge of the disabilities office to contact
my professor without talking to me about it first? I do not believe there
would be any reason for the person in charge of the disabilities office to
contact my professor without talking to me about it first. Therefore, I
thought I would ask about it on this email list to receive different
perspectives in regards to this issue. Any information anyone could provide
in regards to this matter would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Elizabeth
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Tue Oct 25 01:46:30 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 18:46:30 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions About the Disabilities Office and
 Readers
In-Reply-To: <SN1PR12MB0159EE735F22E1203239517ABAA80@SN1PR12MB0159.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SN1PR12MB0159EE735F22E1203239517ABAA80@SN1PR12MB0159.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <6AAA6F2F-1E4B-4734-80B1-D6E64F04CEFB@gmail.com>

I'm probably going to go completely against the grain here but I don't see a problem with your professor having a meeting with your disability services. At my school I have signed a document with permission for DSS to communicate with the professors if necessary. Yes, you ideally should be doing the communicating but I would see this as all parties wanting to work together to help you. 
Vejas   

> On Oct 24, 2016, at 17:06, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I have some more questions as it relates to using readers during class from the disabilities office. I chose to use a reader for my science class as I thought it was the best option for me based on the way my professor teaches this class. Since my professor likes to do random activities in hard copy print, I thought the best way to be accommodated for this class was to have a reader for the full duration of each class period. I felt as though this was the best way for me to be able to participate in class along with my sighted classmates.
> 
> However, last week my reader informed me that the person in charge of the disabilities office was going to be meeting with my professor to talk about some things related to the class. I thought this was rather odd as the person in charge of the disabilities office did not contact me about meeting with my professor. I feel as though having the person in charge of the disabilities office contacting my professor without contacting me first is inappropriate. However, the person in charge of the disabilities office does not agree with me.
> 
> I was informed that the readers and the person in charge of the disabilities office connect with each other throughout the semester to talk about the in-class reader assistance to see if any changes need to be made. As a part of this process, the person in charge of the disabilities office will often contact the professor to ask them questions related to the structure and format of the class. I do not agree with the person in charge being able to contact my professor without talking to me about it first regardless of the reason. The accommodations are between me and the disabilities office and not my professor and the disabilities office.
> 
> So I am simply curious, what are the typical guidelines and procedures in regards to the person in charge of contacting professors without talking to a student about it first? Are there any reasons or circumstances where it would be okay for the person in charge of the disabilities office to contact my professor without talking to me about it first? I do not believe there would be any reason for the person in charge of the disabilities office to contact my professor without talking to me about it first. Therefore, I thought I would ask about it on this email list to receive different perspectives in regards to this issue. Any information anyone could provide in regards to this matter would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Tue Oct 25 01:50:36 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 18:50:36 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions About the Disabilities Office and
 Readers
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I  would like to add, I think it would  be appropriate to meet with professors during office hours, and explain that if they are going to be using print, hard-copy material, they need to email this to you before class  begins. I go to a small school and my teachers are great about doing this, but if  need be, email them every week before class, it's your right.
Vejas 

> On Oct 24, 2016, at 17:06, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I have some more questions as it relates to using readers during class from the disabilities office. I chose to use a reader for my science class as I thought it was the best option for me based on the way my professor teaches this class. Since my professor likes to do random activities in hard copy print, I thought the best way to be accommodated for this class was to have a reader for the full duration of each class period. I felt as though this was the best way for me to be able to participate in class along with my sighted classmates.
> 
> However, last week my reader informed me that the person in charge of the disabilities office was going to be meeting with my professor to talk about some things related to the class. I thought this was rather odd as the person in charge of the disabilities office did not contact me about meeting with my professor. I feel as though having the person in charge of the disabilities office contacting my professor without contacting me first is inappropriate. However, the person in charge of the disabilities office does not agree with me.
> 
> I was informed that the readers and the person in charge of the disabilities office connect with each other throughout the semester to talk about the in-class reader assistance to see if any changes need to be made. As a part of this process, the person in charge of the disabilities office will often contact the professor to ask them questions related to the structure and format of the class. I do not agree with the person in charge being able to contact my professor without talking to me about it first regardless of the reason. The accommodations are between me and the disabilities office and not my professor and the disabilities office.
> 
> So I am simply curious, what are the typical guidelines and procedures in regards to the person in charge of contacting professors without talking to a student about it first? Are there any reasons or circumstances where it would be okay for the person in charge of the disabilities office to contact my professor without talking to me about it first? I do not believe there would be any reason for the person in charge of the disabilities office to contact my professor without talking to me about it first. Therefore, I thought I would ask about it on this email list to receive different perspectives in regards to this issue. Any information anyone could provide in regards to this matter would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
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From chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 25 02:16:10 2016
From: chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com (chelsea peahl)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 02:16:10 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions About the Disabilities Office and
 Readers
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This probably isn't the answer that you want, but I personally don't see a problem with the professor and disability councilor having a meeting. I have to sigh something giving permission for my councilor and professors permission to talk. I think it only helps you more than it hurts you. Your professor and councilor can bounce ideas around that can make the class easier for you. 

Chelsea Peahl

> On Oct 24, 2016, at 7:48 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I'm probably going to go completely against the grain here but I don't see a problem with your professor having a meeting with your disability services. At my school I have signed a document with permission for DSS to communicate with the professors if necessary. Yes, you ideally should be doing the communicating but I would see this as all parties wanting to work together to help you. 
> Vejas   
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2016, at 17:06, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I have some more questions as it relates to using readers during class from the disabilities office. I chose to use a reader for my science class as I thought it was the best option for me based on the way my professor teaches this class. Since my professor likes to do random activities in hard copy print, I thought the best way to be accommodated for this class was to have a reader for the full duration of each class period. I felt as though this was the best way for me to be able to participate in class along with my sighted classmates.
>> 
>> However, last week my reader informed me that the person in charge of the disabilities office was going to be meeting with my professor to talk about some things related to the class. I thought this was rather odd as the person in charge of the disabilities office did not contact me about meeting with my professor. I feel as though having the person in charge of the disabilities office contacting my professor without contacting me first is inappropriate. However, the person in charge of the disabilities office does not agree with me.
>> 
>> I was informed that the readers and the person in charge of the disabilities office connect with each other throughout the semester to talk about the in-class reader assistance to see if any changes need to be made. As a part of this process, the person in charge of the disabilities office will often contact the professor to ask them questions related to the structure and format of the class. I do not agree with the person in charge being able to contact my professor without talking to me about it first regardless of the reason. The accommodations are between me and the disabilities office and not my professor and the disabilities office.
>> 
>> So I am simply curious, what are the typical guidelines and procedures in regards to the person in charge of contacting professors without talking to a student about it first? Are there any reasons or circumstances where it would be okay for the person in charge of the disabilities office to contact my professor without talking to me about it first? I do not believe there would be any reason for the person in charge of the disabilities office to contact my professor without talking to me about it first. Therefore, I thought I would ask about it on this email list to receive different perspectives in regards to this issue. Any information anyone could provide in regards to this matter would be greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Elizabeth
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 25 02:56:59 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 22:56:59 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions About the Disabilities Office and
 Readers
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Your professor and disability office shouldn't have a meeting without you.
If the prof is just giving materials that only they have acces to, such as
assessments to the disability office, that's fine.  But, anything else, such
as batting around ideas should be done with you at the table since you are
the subjects, and since you will have to use said ideas. 
Justin

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Readers

This probably isn't the answer that you want, but I personally don't see a
problem with the professor and disability councilor having a meeting. I have
to sigh something giving permission for my councilor and professors
permission to talk. I think it only helps you more than it hurts you. Your
professor and councilor can bounce ideas around that can make the class
easier for you. 

Chelsea Peahl

> On Oct 24, 2016, at 7:48 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I'm probably going to go completely against the grain here but I don't see
a problem with your professor having a meeting with your disability
services. At my school I have signed a document with permission for DSS to
communicate with the professors if necessary. Yes, you ideally should be
doing the communicating but I would see this as all parties wanting to work
together to help you. 
> Vejas   
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2016, at 17:06, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I have some more questions as it relates to using readers during class
from the disabilities office. I chose to use a reader for my science class
as I thought it was the best option for me based on the way my professor
teaches this class. Since my professor likes to do random activities in hard
copy print, I thought the best way to be accommodated for this class was to
have a reader for the full duration of each class period. I felt as though
this was the best way for me to be able to participate in class along with
my sighted classmates.
>> 
>> However, last week my reader informed me that the person in charge of the
disabilities office was going to be meeting with my professor to talk about
some things related to the class. I thought this was rather odd as the
person in charge of the disabilities office did not contact me about meeting
with my professor. I feel as though having the person in charge of the
disabilities office contacting my professor without contacting me first is
inappropriate. However, the person in charge of the disabilities office does
not agree with me.
>> 
>> I was informed that the readers and the person in charge of the
disabilities office connect with each other throughout the semester to talk
about the in-class reader assistance to see if any changes need to be made.
As a part of this process, the person in charge of the disabilities office
will often contact the professor to ask them questions related to the
structure and format of the class. I do not agree with the person in charge
being able to contact my professor without talking to me about it first
regardless of the reason. The accommodations are between me and the
disabilities office and not my professor and the disabilities office.
>> 
>> So I am simply curious, what are the typical guidelines and procedures in
regards to the person in charge of contacting professors without talking to
a student about it first? Are there any reasons or circumstances where it
would be okay for the person in charge of the disabilities office to contact
my professor without talking to me about it first? I do not believe there
would be any reason for the person in charge of the disabilities office to
contact my professor without talking to me about it first. Therefore, I
thought I would ask about it on this email list to receive different
perspectives in regards to this issue. Any information anyone could provide
in regards to this matter would be greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Elizabeth
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From: jab2bs at mtmail.mtsu.edu (James Alan Boehm)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 03:52:49 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Extended Invitation to You GUide Dog /Service Dog / Animal
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> On Oct 24, 2016, at 9:58 PM, Justin Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Your professor and disability office shouldn't have a meeting without you.
> If the prof is just giving materials that only they have acces to, such as
> assessments to the disability office, that's fine.  But, anything else, such
> as batting around ideas should be done with you at the table since you are
> the subjects, and since you will have to use said ideas. 
> Justin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of chelsea peahl
> via NABS-L
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 10:16 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: chelsea peahl <chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions About the Disabilities Office and
> Readers
> 
> This probably isn't the answer that you want, but I personally don't see a
> problem with the professor and disability councilor having a meeting. I have
> to sigh something giving permission for my councilor and professors
> permission to talk. I think it only helps you more than it hurts you. Your
> professor and councilor can bounce ideas around that can make the class
> easier for you. 
> 
> Chelsea Peahl
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2016, at 7:48 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm probably going to go completely against the grain here but I don't see
> a problem with your professor having a meeting with your disability
> services. At my school I have signed a document with permission for DSS to
> communicate with the professors if necessary. Yes, you ideally should be
> doing the communicating but I would see this as all parties wanting to work
> together to help you. 
>> Vejas   
>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2016, at 17:06, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> I have some more questions as it relates to using readers during class
> from the disabilities office. I chose to use a reader for my science class
> as I thought it was the best option for me based on the way my professor
> teaches this class. Since my professor likes to do random activities in hard
> copy print, I thought the best way to be accommodated for this class was to
> have a reader for the full duration of each class period. I felt as though
> this was the best way for me to be able to participate in class along with
> my sighted classmates.
>>> 
>>> However, last week my reader informed me that the person in charge of the
> disabilities office was going to be meeting with my professor to talk about
> some things related to the class. I thought this was rather odd as the
> person in charge of the disabilities office did not contact me about meeting
> with my professor. I feel as though having the person in charge of the
> disabilities office contacting my professor without contacting me first is
> inappropriate. However, the person in charge of the disabilities office does
> not agree with me.
>>> 
>>> I was informed that the readers and the person in charge of the
> disabilities office connect with each other throughout the semester to talk
> about the in-class reader assistance to see if any changes need to be made.
> As a part of this process, the person in charge of the disabilities office
> will often contact the professor to ask them questions related to the
> structure and format of the class. I do not agree with the person in charge
> being able to contact my professor without talking to me about it first
> regardless of the reason. The accommodations are between me and the
> disabilities office and not my professor and the disabilities office.
>>> 
>>> So I am simply curious, what are the typical guidelines and procedures in
> regards to the person in charge of contacting professors without talking to
> a student about it first? Are there any reasons or circumstances where it
> would be okay for the person in charge of the disabilities office to contact
> my professor without talking to me about it first? I do not believe there
> would be any reason for the person in charge of the disabilities office to
> contact my professor without talking to me about it first. Therefore, I
> thought I would ask about it on this email list to receive different
> perspectives in regards to this issue. Any information anyone could provide
> in regards to this matter would be greatly appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Elizabeth
>>> _______________________________________________
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From lizzym0827 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 25 13:26:53 2016
From: lizzym0827 at gmail.com (Lizzy)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 09:26:53 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions About the Disabilities Office and
 Readers
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Hi Elizabeth,
Before I address the current situation, I just want to say that I 
wish nothing but the best for you this semester.  From what I've 
observed, you've received a lot of thoughtful advice lately (as 
far as the questions you've posted to this list).   It may not 
always be useful to you, but it is almost always thoughtful and 
from a place of well wishing.  That said, I don't think it's fair 
that when people take the time out to respond to your questions 
you end the thread by saying that you wish you never would have 
posted them in the first place.  I know that we may not 
understand your situation completely, but I don't understand why 
you are treating the same people who want to help you (at your 
request) with such disregard.  It's very off putting and really 
makes me hesitant to respond at all.  But alas, I want to assist 
in any way I can and even if a response doesn't help you today, 
hopefully it will help in the future or maybe someone else in a 
similar situation.  I said all that to say, I genuinely hope this 
thread doesn't end like the previous one.  Now, on to the advice:
	I agree with Justin, you don't want people making major 
decisions without you present, but the way to bring this up 
is by showing that you are a hands-on student.  Meeting with 
the DS coordinator at your school so that you can form a 
positive working relationship with that person, meeting with 
your professors during office hours or scheduled 
appointments, meeting with your reader and not always 
necessarily in an "OK, let's get to work" kind of manner.  
You discussed firing your reader (and the reason wasn't 
exactly clear to me in your previous email), and paying 
someone else in coffee.  If you can find it in your heart to 
keep the reader you have and appreciate their services a bit 
more (perhaps with a random coffee of appreciation?), you 
might have a better relationship with that person as well.  
Now that you know about these 3 people meeting with each 
other without your prior knowledge, it's time to strengthen 
each relationship so that you can get the result you want.  
They will automatically think to include you, if they know 
you personally because they'll value your opinion and want 
to know what you think.  It won't take too much time to grab 
a quick coffee, drop by office hours and pop into the 
Disabilities Services office.  You don't have to stay long 
or do this every week, just get them to know your face and 
who you are as a person.  Someone who wants to do well, 
appreciates the work that these people are putting 
in-everyone wants to be appreciated-and cares about how 
things are done.  Who wouldn't want to include someone like 
that?
	There's no need to go into the situation with guns blazing, 
especially if they want to be accommodating and you don't 
have the support behind you to go all out.  Remember that 
you'll catch more flies with honey and only want to resort 
to vinegar if you must.
I really hope this helps you!
Best wishes,
Lizzy


From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 25 15:06:06 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 15:06:06 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions About the Disabilities Office and
 Readers
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Hello Lizzy,

I am sorry you feel as though my feelings of frustration regarding some of the responses I received from my most recent posts on this email list are not warranted. However, there were some responses that I received that did not come across to me as coming from a place of kindness that escalated further off list that I simply did not appreciate. 

I think your suggestions are good ones. However, they simply are not applicable to my situation. My reader that is assigned to work with me from the disabilities office is either not willing or is not able to talk to me directly about any problems she may be having with me. I am not able to talk to my professor as she is really not that great of a professor who simply does not understand the concept that I want to be able to participate in class as an equal. And the person in charge of the disabilities office is not willing to talk to me either despite the emails I have sent her requesting to meet with her.

Since the professor does not appear to be all accommodating, and likes to do things rather randomly, including class activities using hard copy print that needs to be handed in at the end of the class period. Also, not necessarily everything on the print handouts can be read with a Screen reader. However, I thought I would be able to make it through this class as I felt as though I had a good working relationship with my reader. I figured using a reader in class for the full duration of the class period would be the best way to deal with the random teaching style of my professor.

However, this seemed to change all of a sudden last week. I am still not completely sure what exactly is causing the problem. However, based on the questions the person in charge of the disabilities office had for my professor, it looks as though there might have been some questions as to whether or not I really needed a reader for the full duration of my class period. However, I can only assume this might be the problem as no one appears to want to talk to me directly about anything in regards to this issue.

I appreciate different perspectives regarding policies and procedures about the person in charge of the disabilities office contacting my professor without my permission or talking to me about it first. It seems as though the people on here who have offered different perspectives either knew about the person in charge of the disabilities office contacting the professor ahead of time, or had a good relationship with the person in charge of the disabilities office. Unfortunately, this is not the case for me. I cannot even speak to the person in charge of the disabilities office in person or over the phone as she is simply too busy to talk to me.

I feel as though if there was an agreement for the disabilities office to provide me with in-class assistance with a reader for the full duration of the class period, and if the disabilities has somehow changed their willingness to provide me with this service, or no longer wish to provide this service to me, then this is a discussion either the person in charge of the disabilities office or my assigned reader from the disabilities office should be having with me and not my professor.

I have already tried talking to my professor at the end of class as well as during her office hours. However, the last time I showed up to her office hours, she did not want to take the time to talk to me as she felt as though my questions would be answered during class that day. It seemed as though she was more interested in preparing for class than she was in talking to me regarding the questions I had about concepts from class I was not understanding based on the way she presented these concepts in class.

Likewise, the person in charge of the disabilities office is never available to talk to whenever I have tried stopping by the Student Support Services desk either. And this situation has caused a lot of tension and friction between me and my assigned reader from the disabilities office to the point that it makes it rather difficult to work with her. And I have absolutely no idea how to talk to her in a more friendly manner when she is barely willing to talk to me about anything besides course content materials.. In short, I have tried all of the suggestions people are giving me, and nothing seems to work to improve the situation.

Elizabeth




-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lizzy via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 9:27 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Lizzy <lizzym0827 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions About the Disabilities Office and Readers

Hi Elizabeth,
Before I address the current situation, I just want to say that I wish nothing but the best for you this semester.  From what I've observed, you've received a lot of thoughtful advice lately (as 
far as the questions you've posted to this list).   It may not 
always be useful to you, but it is almost always thoughtful and from a place of well wishing.  That said, I don't think it's fair that when people take the time out to respond to your questions you end the thread by saying that you wish you never would have posted them in the first place.  I know that we may not understand your situation completely, but I don't understand why you are treating the same people who want to help you (at your
request) with such disregard.  It's very off putting and really makes me hesitant to respond at all.  But alas, I want to assist in any way I can and even if a response doesn't help you today, hopefully it will help in the future or maybe someone else in a similar situation.  I said all that to say, I genuinely hope this thread doesn't end like the previous one.  Now, on to the advice:
	I agree with Justin, you don't want people making major decisions without you present, but the way to bring this up is by showing that you are a hands-on student.  Meeting with the DS coordinator at your school so that you can form a positive working relationship with that person, meeting with your professors during office hours or scheduled appointments, meeting with your reader and not always necessarily in an "OK, let's get to work" kind of manner.  
You discussed firing your reader (and the reason wasn't exactly clear to me in your previous email), and paying someone else in coffee.  If you can find it in your heart to keep the reader you have and appreciate their services a bit more (perhaps with a random coffee of appreciation?), you might have a better relationship with that person as well.  
Now that you know about these 3 people meeting with each other without your prior knowledge, it's time to strengthen each relationship so that you can get the result you want.  
They will automatically think to include you, if they know you personally because they'll value your opinion and want to know what you think.  It won't take too much time to grab a quick coffee, drop by office hours and pop into the Disabilities Services office.  You don't have to stay long or do this every week, just get them to know your face and who you are as a person.  Someone who wants to do well, appreciates the work that these people are putting in-everyone wants to be appreciated-and cares about how things are done.  Who wouldn't want to include someone like that?
	There's no need to go into the situation with guns blazing, especially if they want to be accommodating and you don't have the support behind you to go all out.  Remember that you'll catch more flies with honey and only want to resort to vinegar if you must.
I really hope this helps you!
Best wishes,
Lizzy

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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Tue Oct 25 19:01:08 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 12:01:08 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions About the Disabilities Office and
 Readers
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	<SN1PR12MB0159A7E29415C1DA85A6DC44BAA80@SN1PR12MB0159.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
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Elizabeth, you  should not feel the need to tell people that their attempts at trying to help you are not applicable. Lizzy gave you some great suggestions that, as she pointed out, could be helpful to you or anyone else. All you really should have said was something like "Thank you so much Lizzy, I appreciate your suggestions and will keep them stored in the future."
You keep writing to a group of people who try to help you,  then when we do  you find a reason that this help is not good enough. I know that life can be hard at times, but it is important to have a positive outlook.
If you can't deal with writing to a board, maybe you could confide in a close friend about your issues? Alternatively, you could just try to figure them out for yourself. 
You need to figure out how to deal with life because if you don't, then nothing will ever satisfy you. How do you want people to remember by when they think of your name? Just think about this.
Vejas     

> On Oct 25, 2016, at 08:06, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Lizzy,
> 
> I am sorry you feel as though my feelings of frustration regarding some of the responses I received from my most recent posts on this email list are not warranted. However, there were some responses that I received that did not come across to me as coming from a place of kindness that escalated further off list that I simply did not appreciate. 
> 
> I think your suggestions are good ones. However, they simply are not applicable to my situation. My reader that is assigned to work with me from the disabilities office is either not willing or is not able to talk to me directly about any problems she may be having with me. I am not able to talk to my professor as she is really not that great of a professor who simply does not understand the concept that I want to be able to participate in class as an equal. And the person in charge of the disabilities office is not willing to talk to me either despite the emails I have sent her requesting to meet with her.
> 
> Since the professor does not appear to be all accommodating, and likes to do things rather randomly, including class activities using hard copy print that needs to be handed in at the end of the class period. Also, not necessarily everything on the print handouts can be read with a Screen reader. However, I thought I would be able to make it through this class as I felt as though I had a good working relationship with my reader. I figured using a reader in class for the full duration of the class period would be the best way to deal with the random teaching style of my professor.
> 
> However, this seemed to change all of a sudden last week. I am still not completely sure what exactly is causing the problem. However, based on the questions the person in charge of the disabilities office had for my professor, it looks as though there might have been some questions as to whether or not I really needed a reader for the full duration of my class period. However, I can only assume this might be the problem as no one appears to want to talk to me directly about anything in regards to this issue.
> 
> I appreciate different perspectives regarding policies and procedures about the person in charge of the disabilities office contacting my professor without my permission or talking to me about it first. It seems as though the people on here who have offered different perspectives either knew about the person in charge of the disabilities office contacting the professor ahead of time, or had a good relationship with the person in charge of the disabilities office. Unfortunately, this is not the case for me. I cannot even speak to the person in charge of the disabilities office in person or over the phone as she is simply too busy to talk to me.
> 
> I feel as though if there was an agreement for the disabilities office to provide me with in-class assistance with a reader for the full duration of the class period, and if the disabilities has somehow changed their willingness to provide me with this service, or no longer wish to provide this service to me, then this is a discussion either the person in charge of the disabilities office or my assigned reader from the disabilities office should be having with me and not my professor.
> 
> I have already tried talking to my professor at the end of class as well as during her office hours. However, the last time I showed up to her office hours, she did not want to take the time to talk to me as she felt as though my questions would be answered during class that day. It seemed as though she was more interested in preparing for class than she was in talking to me regarding the questions I had about concepts from class I was not understanding based on the way she presented these concepts in class.
> 
> Likewise, the person in charge of the disabilities office is never available to talk to whenever I have tried stopping by the Student Support Services desk either. And this situation has caused a lot of tension and friction between me and my assigned reader from the disabilities office to the point that it makes it rather difficult to work with her. And I have absolutely no idea how to talk to her in a more friendly manner when she is barely willing to talk to me about anything besides course content materials.. In short, I have tried all of the suggestions people are giving me, and nothing seems to work to improve the situation.
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lizzy via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 9:27 AM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Lizzy <lizzym0827 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions About the Disabilities Office and Readers
> 
> Hi Elizabeth,
> Before I address the current situation, I just want to say that I wish nothing but the best for you this semester.  From what I've observed, you've received a lot of thoughtful advice lately (as 
> far as the questions you've posted to this list).   It may not 
> always be useful to you, but it is almost always thoughtful and from a place of well wishing.  That said, I don't think it's fair that when people take the time out to respond to your questions you end the thread by saying that you wish you never would have posted them in the first place.  I know that we may not understand your situation completely, but I don't understand why you are treating the same people who want to help you (at your
> request) with such disregard.  It's very off putting and really makes me hesitant to respond at all.  But alas, I want to assist in any way I can and even if a response doesn't help you today, hopefully it will help in the future or maybe someone else in a similar situation.  I said all that to say, I genuinely hope this thread doesn't end like the previous one.  Now, on to the advice:
>    I agree with Justin, you don't want people making major decisions without you present, but the way to bring this up is by showing that you are a hands-on student.  Meeting with the DS coordinator at your school so that you can form a positive working relationship with that person, meeting with your professors during office hours or scheduled appointments, meeting with your reader and not always necessarily in an "OK, let's get to work" kind of manner.  
> You discussed firing your reader (and the reason wasn't exactly clear to me in your previous email), and paying someone else in coffee.  If you can find it in your heart to keep the reader you have and appreciate their services a bit more (perhaps with a random coffee of appreciation?), you might have a better relationship with that person as well.  
> Now that you know about these 3 people meeting with each other without your prior knowledge, it's time to strengthen each relationship so that you can get the result you want.  
> They will automatically think to include you, if they know you personally because they'll value your opinion and want to know what you think.  It won't take too much time to grab a quick coffee, drop by office hours and pop into the Disabilities Services office.  You don't have to stay long or do this every week, just get them to know your face and who you are as a person.  Someone who wants to do well, appreciates the work that these people are putting in-everyone wants to be appreciated-and cares about how things are done.  Who wouldn't want to include someone like that?
>    There's no need to go into the situation with guns blazing, especially if they want to be accommodating and you don't have the support behind you to go all out.  Remember that you'll catch more flies with honey and only want to resort to vinegar if you must.
> I really hope this helps you!
> Best wishes,
> Lizzy
> 
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 25 19:05:05 2016
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 15:05:05 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] question about sports programs for the blind
Message-ID: <580facf7.0457810a.4024c.c361@mx.google.com>

When I was in elementary school I played Putt Putt Golf with a 
group of blind students.  It was a fun and exciting experience.  
I learned how to interact with other team members and the 
importance of being quiet when another player is hitting their 
ball.


From carlymih at comcast.net  Tue Oct 25 19:37:22 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 12:37:22 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions About the Disabilities Office and
 Readers
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Good morning, Lizzy and Elizabeth,

Elizabeth, hopefully you took Lizzy's thoughtful but pragmatic advice 
to heart, I'm sure she hopes your time to wash over you 
more  seamlessly and gently. And yes, when people take a personal 
interest in your success, however that may look, then you need not 
approach every scenario with, as Lizzy said, the guns blazing. A way 
to insure your professors don't disregard you as a person and as an 
academic, a blind one at that, from what I've found out, is to 
cultivate personal relationships with staff, providing, of course, 
that persuing such personal contacts makes sense.
So, rather than assume a defensive approach if there arrise some 
interpersonal conflicts surrounding your blindness, you might simply 
put in the work necessary to cultivate a hopefully reciprical 
sharing? Just a thought.
Thank you, Lizzy. Extremely well said!
Car
's thoughtful yet pragmatic letter to heart. At 06:26 AM 10/25/2016, 
Lizzy via NABS-L wrote:
>Hi Elizabeth,
>Before I address the current situation, I just want to say that I 
>wish nothing but the best for you this semester.  From what I've 
>observed, you've received a lot of thoughtful advice lately (as far 
>as the questions you've posted to this list).   It may not always be 
>useful to you, but it is almost always thoughtful and from a place 
>of well wishing.  That said, I don't think it's fair that when 
>people take the time out to respond to your questions you end the 
>thread by saying that you wish you never would have posted them in 
>the first place.  I know that we may not understand your situation 
>completely, but I don't understand why you are treating the same 
>people who want to help you (at your request) with such 
>disregard.  It's very off putting and really makes me hesitant to 
>respond at all.  But alas, I want to assist in any way I can and 
>even if a response doesn't help you today, hopefully it will help in 
>the future or maybe someone else in a similar situation.  I said all 
>that to say, I genuinely hope this thread doesn't end like the 
>previous one.  Now, on to the advice:
>         I agree with Justin, you don't want people making major 
> decisions without you present, but the way to bring this up is by 
> showing that you are a hands-on student.  Meeting with the DS 
> coordinator at your school so that you can form a positive working 
> relationship with that person, meeting with your professors during 
> office hours or scheduled appointments, meeting with your reader 
> and not always necessarily in an "OK, let's get to work" kind of manner.
>You discussed firing your reader (and the reason wasn't exactly 
>clear to me in your previous email), and paying someone else in 
>coffee.  If you can find it in your heart to keep the reader you 
>have and appreciate their services a bit more (perhaps with a random 
>coffee of appreciation?), you might have a better relationship with 
>that person as well.
>Now that you know about these 3 people meeting with each other 
>without your prior knowledge, it's time to strengthen each 
>relationship so that you can get the result you want.
>They will automatically think to include you, if they know you 
>personally because they'll value your opinion and want to know what 
>you think.  It won't take too much time to grab a quick coffee, drop 
>by office hours and pop into the Disabilities Services office.  You 
>don't have to stay long or do this every week, just get them to know 
>your face and who you are as a person.  Someone who wants to do 
>well, appreciates the work that these people are putting in-everyone 
>wants to be appreciated-and cares about how things are done.  Who 
>wouldn't want to include someone like that?
>         There's no need to go into the situation with guns blazing, 
> especially if they want to be accommodating and you don't have the 
> support behind you to go all out.  Remember that you'll catch more 
> flies with honey and only want to resort to vinegar if you must.
>I really hope this helps you!
>Best wishes,
>Lizzy
>
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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Tue Oct 25 20:44:46 2016
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. Labarre)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 14:44:46 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Message from Scott LaBarre,
 Happy National Greasy Food Day and Last Chance for NFB Colorado
 Amazing Raffle
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Hey Lawyers and Students:   

 

Please see below.  Time is running out on the Amazing NFBCO Raffle.  While
you're at it, enjoy a nice big, double cheeseburger or a huge pile of chili
cheese fries!  

 

Happy Greasy Food Day to you!

 

Cheers,

Scott!

 

From: Lisa Bonderson [mailto:lbonderson at cocenter.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 1:46 PM
To: Scott C. LaBarre <slabarre at labarrelaw.com>
Subject: Message from Scott LaBarre, Happy National Greasy Food Day and Last
Chance for NFB Colorado Amazing Raffle

 

Greetings Friends and Family:

 

As you are undoubtedly aware, today is October 25, 2016, and I send you well
wishes on National Greasy Food Day and hope that you celebrate it
accordingly.

 

October 25th also means that it is a mere four days until we draw the prizes
for this year's Amazing Colorado Raffle brought to you by the National
Federation of the Blind of Colorado.  Like last year, one lucky person will
win $2500, another $1000, and yet another $500.  All you need to do is
purchase tickets and throw your hat in the running.  Tickets cost only $10
for one or get three for $20 or whatever multiple thereof you like.  For
example, $100 will get you 15 tickets in the raffle.  

 

How do you participate?   

 

First of all, if you have already participated, we thank you very much, but
if you haven't, participating is easy.  Please go to the following address
and follow the instructions:

www.nfbco.org/amazing-colorado-raffle
<http://www.nfbco.org/amazing-colorado-raffle> 

 

Please note that your last chance to buy these tickets on line is today and
tomorrow.  We will be closing the online sales by the end of Wednesday,
October 26th.

  

Why is this important?

 

I have been a member of the National Federation of the Blind since 1986 when
I was fortunate enough to win a national scholarship from the Federation.
That assistance and the thirty years of support from the organization have
allowed me to live the life I want and become a successful attorney,
husband, and father.  Without the Federation's positive philosophy and
countless positive role models, I would not have the life that I want.

 

How do the funds from this contest help the Federation specifically?

 

Well, we use these funds to operate our college scholarship program, provide
Braille Literacy training through our BELL Academies, and issue empowerment
grants to blind individuals.  Other than the cash prizes, 100 percent of the
funds raised go to these programs.

 

Do I have to be present to win?

 

Absolutely not!  We will draw the three names Saturday evening, October
29th, at approximately 8:00 pm Mountain as part of our Annual Convention
taking place at the Denver Marriott South which is actually located in Loan
Tree, Colorado.

 

I thank you in advance for participating in this year's raffle and wish you
luck.  If you need any help in purchasing tickets, please do not hesitate to
email me, slabarre at labarrelaw.com <mailto:slabarre at labarrelaw.com> , or call
us at 303 504-5979.  

 

Good luck and enjoy your greasy food.  One day of clogged arteries can't be
too bad.  Can it?  

 

Warmly,

Scott LaBarre

President, NFB of Colorado

 

P.S.  We apologize if you receive this message more than once due to the
nature of our email lists.

PP.S. If you want us to remove you from the list, please reply to this
message with the email address you wish removed.

PPP.S. Thanks again!

 


From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Tue Oct 25 20:47:20 2016
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. Labarre)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 14:47:20 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Dates and Stipends for NASA Summer 2017 Internships
 for Students with Disabilities
In-Reply-To: <BBCBFC46ED568B42842627B639C8E78A1CF7C635@NDMSMBX403.ndc.nasa.gov>
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FYI Also, don't forget the Amazing Colorado Raffle and Happy National Greasy
Food Day once again!

 

From: Silberman, Kenneth A. (GSFC-1600)
[mailto:kenneth.a.silberman at nasa.gov] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 2:37 PM
To: Silberman, Kenneth A. (GSFC-1600) <kenneth.a.silberman at nasa.gov>
Subject: Dates and Stipends for NASA Summer 2017 Internships for Students
with Disabilities

 

To Prospective NASA Student Interns with Disabilities,

 

NASA is looking to increase the number of students with disabilities
pursuing science, technology, engineering, and math (STEM) careers through
our regular internship programs. This is not a program for students with
disabilities.  We are trying to recruit more students with disabilities into
our regular internship programs. Disability means both physical and mental
disabilities. Internships are a good way to get real-world experience.
However, this is not an employment program. NASA jobs can be found at
<http://www.usajobs.gov>. Students can apply for Summer 2017 internships
now! The deadline for submitting applications will be Wednesday, March 1,
2017. We will begin extending offers to students in mid-to-late January and
will continue until all positions are filled. If you would like to subscribe
to an announcement-only list about NASA internships for persons with
disabilities, please send an E-mail to nasainterns-request at freelists.org
<mailto:nasainterns-request at freelists.org>  with 'subscribe' in the Subject
field, OR by visiting the list page at
http://www.freelists.org/list/nasainterns.

 

We encourage you to apply early because the best opportunities are likely to
be filled early. Plus, your likelihood of being selected decreases the
longer you wait. Don't be surprised if you don't see many internship
opportunities in November.  They start to appear in numbers in mid-to-late
December. You can register for an account anytime at the One Stop Shopping
Initiative (OSSI): NASA Internships, Fellowships, and Scholarships (NIFS) at
http://intern.nasa.gov/. All material that you wish to have considered must
be uploaded to the OSSI website. No documentation will be accepted that is
E-mailed or snail mailed.

 

Summer 2017 internships run from Monday, June 5, 2017, through Friday,
August 11, 2017, (ten weeks) for undergraduate and graduate students.
Internships run from Monday, June 26, 2017, through Friday, August 4, 2017,
(six weeks) for high school students. All student interns get paid. The high
school stipend for Summer 2017 will be $2,100.00 for a six-week internship.
The Summer 2017 undergraduate stipend for a ten-week internship will be
$6,000.00. The Summer 2017 graduate stipend for a ten-week internship will
be $7,500.00. As an intern, you are responsible for your own housing. NASA
internships for college and high school students are also offered during
Spring, Fall and Year Long Sessions through the OSSI website.

 

NASA has internships for high school students and for rising freshmen
through doctoral students in STEM fields. A rising freshman is a high school
student who has been accepted to an accredited institution of higher
learning, i.e., a college or university, at the time of the internship.

Applicants must be U.S. citizens, with a minimum GPA of 3.0 for college and
3.0 for high school; however, applicants must understand that the
competition for internships is keen. High school students must be at least
sixteen years old at the time the internship begins.

 

Internships are available at all NASA centers nationwide. It is important to
remember that applying is a two-step process. The first step is to fill out
everything in OSSI.  The second step is to select and apply to specific
internship opportunities. Students can submit a completed application
whether they apply to an opportunity or not. However, applying to
opportunities has the advantage of allowing applicants to be considered by
mentors who work in disciplines of interest and at a particular center.
Applicants may apply to as many as fifteen opportunities.

 

For example, an opportunity having to do with the Solar Dynamics Observatory
(SDO) will be at the Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland because SDO is
located there. Not applying to an opportunity means that prospective interns
will be hoping that a mentor happens to read their applications rather than
directing their applications to mentors in fields and at centers of
interest. 

 

Students who are selected for Summer internships will receive an offer
letter by E-mail sometime after mid-January 2017. They will then have five
calendar days to either accept or reject the offer through their OSSI: NIFS
account. The offer will automatically expire after five calendar days if no
action is taken. 

 

Please feel free to contact me for more information or help with applying.




 

Kenneth A. Silberman, Esq.

U.S. Supreme Court, Maryland, & Patent Bars

B.A., M.Eng., J.D.

NASA Engineer & Registered Patent Attorney

Education Office Code 160

NASA/GSFC Mailstop 160

Bldg. 28 Rm. N165

Greenbelt, MD  20771, USA

Voice:  (301) 286-9281

Fax:  (301) 286-1655

E-mail:  kenneth.a.silberman at nasa.gov <mailto:kenneth.a.silberman at nasa.gov> 

Office Location:                 Building 28 Room W151

 


From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Oct 25 20:50:00 2016
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 15:50:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Dates and Stipends for NASA Summer 2017 Internships for
 Students with Disabilities
Message-ID: <auto-000069162733@mailfront1.g2host.com>


>
>To Prospective NASA Student Interns with Disabilities,
>
>NASA is looking to increase the number of students with disabilities 
>pursuing science, technology, engineering, and math (STEM) careers 
>through our regular internship programs. This is not a program for 
>students with disabilities.  We are trying to recruit more students 
>with disabilities into our regular internship programs. Disability 
>means both physical and mental disabilities. Internships are a good 
>way to get real-world experience. However, this is not an employment 
>program. NASA jobs can be found at <http://www.usajobs.gov>. 
>Students can apply for Summer 2017 internships now! The deadline for 
>submitting applications will be Wednesday, March 1, 2017. We will 
>begin extending offers to students in mid-to-late January and will 
>continue until all positions are filled. If you would like to 
>subscribe to an announcement-only list about NASA internships for 
>persons with disabilities, please send an E-mail to 
>nasainterns-request at freelists.org<mailto:nasainterns-request at freelists.org> 
>with 'subscribe' in the Subject field, OR by visiting the list page 
>at http://www.freelists.org/list/nasainterns.
>
>We encourage you to apply early because the best opportunities are 
>likely to be filled early. Plus, your likelihood of being selected 
>decreases the longer you wait. Don't be surprised if you don't see 
>many internship opportunities in November.  They start to appear in 
>numbers in mid-to-late December. You can register for an account 
>anytime at the One Stop Shopping Initiative (OSSI): NASA 
>Internships, Fellowships, and Scholarships (NIFS) at 
>http://intern.nasa.gov/. All material that you wish to have 
>considered must be uploaded to the OSSI website. No documentation 
>will be accepted that is E-mailed or snail mailed.
>
>Summer 2017 internships run from Monday, June 5, 2017, through 
>Friday, August 11, 2017, (ten weeks) for undergraduate and graduate 
>students. Internships run from Monday, June 26, 2017, through 
>Friday, August 4, 2017, (six weeks) for high school students. All 
>student interns get paid. The high school stipend for Summer 2017 
>will be $2,100.00 for a six-week internship. The Summer 2017 
>undergraduate stipend for a ten-week internship will be $6,000.00. 
>The Summer 2017 graduate stipend for a ten-week internship will be 
>$7,500.00. As an intern, you are responsible for your own housing. 
>NASA internships for college and high school students are also 
>offered during Spring, Fall and Year Long Sessions through the OSSI website.
>
>NASA has internships for high school students and for rising 
>freshmen through doctoral students in STEM fields. A rising freshman 
>is a high school student who has been accepted to an accredited 
>institution of higher learning, i.e., a college or university, at 
>the time of the internship.
>Applicants must be U.S. citizens, with a minimum GPA of 3.0 for 
>college and 3.0 for high school; however, applicants must understand 
>that the competition for internships is keen. High school students 
>must be at least sixteen years old at the time the internship begins.
>
>Internships are available at all NASA centers nationwide. It is 
>important to remember that applying is a two-step process. The first 
>step is to fill out everything in OSSI.  The second step is to 
>select and apply to specific internship opportunities. Students can 
>submit a completed application whether they apply to an opportunity 
>or not. However, applying to opportunities has the advantage of 
>allowing applicants to be considered by mentors who work in 
>disciplines of interest and at a particular center. Applicants may 
>apply to as many as fifteen opportunities.
>
>For example, an opportunity having to do with the Solar Dynamics 
>Observatory (SDO) will be at the Goddard Space Flight Center in 
>Maryland because SDO is located there. Not applying to an 
>opportunity means that prospective interns will be hoping that a 
>mentor happens to read their applications rather than directing 
>their applications to mentors in fields and at centers of interest.
>
>Students who are selected for Summer internships will receive an 
>offer letter by E-mail sometime after mid-January 2017. They will 
>then have five calendar days to either accept or reject the offer 
>through their OSSI: NIFS account. The offer will automatically 
>expire after five calendar days if no action is taken.
>
>Please feel free to contact me for more information or help with applying.
>
>
>Kenneth A. Silberman, Esq.
>U.S. Supreme Court, Maryland, & Patent Bars
>B.A., M.Eng., J.D.
>NASA Engineer & Registered Patent Attorney
>Education Office Code 160
>NASA/GSFC Mailstop 160
>Bldg. 28 Rm. N165
>Greenbelt, MD  20771, USA
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>Office Location:                 Building 28 Room W151



From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 25 22:35:48 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 18:35:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions About the Disabilities Office and
 Readers
In-Reply-To: <DD8813FA-63E9-4C8D-9E58-63C23195FA90@gmail.com>
References: <580f5dab.4b62370a.de3a9.397b@mx.google.com><SN1PR12MB0159A7E29415C1DA85A6DC44BAA80@SN1PR12MB0159.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
	<DD8813FA-63E9-4C8D-9E58-63C23195FA90@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CF486C960C0740099E3426B2A0304CC3@OwnerPC>

Hi Vejas,

I think all Elizabeth was trying to do was explain why she could not do what 
Lizzy and others said. I've never been in as bad a situation as her, but 
I've experienced similar communication breakdowns. And, believe me, I know 
how stressful and even heartbreaking it can be. I know Elizabeth was simply 
venting and saying what a hard situation she had was.

Vejas, when you get in a situation in college when professors don't want to 
talk to you in office hours because they are doing other things or say
your questions will be answered in class, you might understand. I've been in 
that very situation in my classes recently; I've taken some electives at  a 
community college even though II graduated from college.
For instance, I was in a world war II history class and a few times I went 
to the professor's office hours before class. One time he was not even in 
his office! I was shocked. I waited 15 minutes and I asked the secretary 
politely where he was and she replied she did not know and had not heard. I 
went to class anyways, but I thought he might have been sick. I assumed he 
would have emailed everyone cancelling office hours. I asked in class about 
his where abouts.
It turned out he was photocopying things and other things for classes. 
Another time, he acted too busy to help me.
So, I fully understand Elizabeth's struggles with unaccommodating professors 
and ones who fail to talk to you in office hours. I can only suggest that 
Elizabeth  report such behavior to the professor's supervisors which is the 
dean of the department probably. I find such behavior of professors 
appalling. Such professors need to be reported and action taken. It is their 
duty to assist students in office hours! They are paid to do this. If 
professors fail to help students, disabled or not, they should be reported, 
and hopefully fired. You or someone is paid for the class, and deserve to be 
treated with respect and dignity. I just find it appalling when professors 
are allowed to get away with such unethical and discriminatory behavior in 
the 21th century.
So, when a student here wants to share their situation and issues, it would 
be good to hear their side of the story.

Anyways, I do hope she can work something out.

Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 3:01 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions About the Disabilities Office and 
Readers

Elizabeth, you  should not feel the need to tell people that their attempts 
at trying to help you are not applicable. Lizzy gave you some great 
suggestions that, as she pointed out, could be helpful to you or anyone 
else. All you really should have said was something like "Thank you so much 
Lizzy, I appreciate your suggestions and will keep them stored in the 
future."
You keep writing to a group of people who try to help you,  then when we do 
you find a reason that this help is not good enough. I know that life can be 
hard at times, but it is important to have a positive outlook.
If you can't deal with writing to a board, maybe you could confide in a 
close friend about your issues? Alternatively, you could just try to figure 
them out for yourself.
You need to figure out how to deal with life because if you don't, then 
nothing will ever satisfy you. How do you want people to remember by when 
they think of your name? Just think about this.
Vejas

> On Oct 25, 2016, at 08:06, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
> wrote:
>
> Hello Lizzy,
>
> I am sorry you feel as though my feelings of frustration regarding some of 
> the responses I received from my most recent posts on this email list are 
> not warranted. However, there were some responses that I received that did 
> not come across to me as coming from a place of kindness that escalated 
> further off list that I simply did not appreciate.
>
> I think your suggestions are good ones. However, they simply are not 
> applicable to my situation. My reader that is assigned to work with me 
> from the disabilities office is either not willing or is not able to talk 
> to me directly about any problems she may be having with me. I am not able 
> to talk to my professor as she is really not that great of a professor who 
> simply does not understand the concept that I want to be able to 
> participate in class as an equal. And the person in charge of the 
> disabilities office is not willing to talk to me either despite the emails 
> I have sent her requesting to meet with her.
>
> Since the professor does not appear to be all accommodating, and likes to 
> do things rather randomly, including class activities using hard copy 
> print that needs to be handed in at the end of the class period. Also, not 
> necessarily everything on the print handouts can be read with a Screen 
> reader. However, I thought I would be able to make it through this class 
> as I felt as though I had a good working relationship with my reader. I 
> figured using a reader in class for the full duration of the class period 
> would be the best way to deal with the random teaching style of my 
> professor.
>
> However, this seemed to change all of a sudden last week. I am still not 
> completely sure what exactly is causing the problem. However, based on the 
> questions the person in charge of the disabilities office had for my 
> professor, it looks as though there might have been some questions as to 
> whether or not I really needed a reader for the full duration of my class 
> period. However, I can only assume this might be the problem as no one 
> appears to want to talk to me directly about anything in regards to this 
> issue.
>
> I appreciate different perspectives regarding policies and procedures 
> about the person in charge of the disabilities office contacting my 
> professor without my permission or talking to me about it first. It seems 
> as though the people on here who have offered different perspectives 
> either knew about the person in charge of the disabilities office 
> contacting the professor ahead of time, or had a good relationship with 
> the person in charge of the disabilities office. Unfortunately, this is 
> not the case for me. I cannot even speak to the person in charge of the 
> disabilities office in person or over the phone as she is simply too busy 
> to talk to me.
>
> I feel as though if there was an agreement for the disabilities office to 
> provide me with in-class assistance with a reader for the full duration of 
> the class period, and if the disabilities has somehow changed their 
> willingness to provide me with this service, or no longer wish to provide 
> this service to me, then this is a discussion either the person in charge 
> of the disabilities office or my assigned reader from the disabilities 
> office should be having with me and not my professor.
>
> I have already tried talking to my professor at the end of class as well 
> as during her office hours. However, the last time I showed up to her 
> office hours, she did not want to take the time to talk to me as she felt 
> as though my questions would be answered during class that day. It seemed 
> as though she was more interested in preparing for class than she was in 
> talking to me regarding the questions I had about concepts from class I 
> was not understanding based on the way she presented these concepts in 
> class.
>
> Likewise, the person in charge of the disabilities office is never 
> available to talk to whenever I have tried stopping by the Student Support 
> Services desk either. And this situation has caused a lot of tension and 
> friction between me and my assigned reader from the disabilities office to 
> the point that it makes it rather difficult to work with her. And I have 
> absolutely no idea how to talk to her in a more friendly manner when she 
> is barely willing to talk to me about anything besides course content 
> materials.. In short, I have tried all of the suggestions people are 
> giving me, and nothing seems to work to improve the situation.
>
> Elizabeth
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lizzy via 
> NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 9:27 AM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Lizzy <lizzym0827 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions About the Disabilities Office and 
> Readers
>
> Hi Elizabeth,
> Before I address the current situation, I just want to say that I wish 
> nothing but the best for you this semester.  From what I've observed, 
> you've received a lot of thoughtful advice lately (as
> far as the questions you've posted to this list).   It may not
> always be useful to you, but it is almost always thoughtful and from a 
> place of well wishing.  That said, I don't think it's fair that when 
> people take the time out to respond to your questions you end the thread 
> by saying that you wish you never would have posted them in the first 
> place.  I know that we may not understand your situation completely, but I 
> don't understand why you are treating the same people who want to help you 
> (at your
> request) with such disregard.  It's very off putting and really makes me 
> hesitant to respond at all.  But alas, I want to assist in any way I can 
> and even if a response doesn't help you today, hopefully it will help in 
> the future or maybe someone else in a similar situation.  I said all that 
> to say, I genuinely hope this thread doesn't end like the previous one. 
> Now, on to the advice:
>    I agree with Justin, you don't want people making major decisions 
> without you present, but the way to bring this up is by showing that you 
> are a hands-on student.  Meeting with the DS coordinator at your school so 
> that you can form a positive working relationship with that person, 
> meeting with your professors during office hours or scheduled 
> appointments, meeting with your reader and not always necessarily in an 
> "OK, let's get to work" kind of manner.
> You discussed firing your reader (and the reason wasn't exactly clear to 
> me in your previous email), and paying someone else in coffee.  If you can 
> find it in your heart to keep the reader you have and appreciate their 
> services a bit more (perhaps with a random coffee of appreciation?), you 
> might have a better relationship with that person as well.
> Now that you know about these 3 people meeting with each other without 
> your prior knowledge, it's time to strengthen each relationship so that 
> you can get the result you want.
> They will automatically think to include you, if they know you personally 
> because they'll value your opinion and want to know what you think.  It 
> won't take too much time to grab a quick coffee, drop by office hours and 
> pop into the Disabilities Services office.  You don't have to stay long or 
> do this every week, just get them to know your face and who you are as a 
> person.  Someone who wants to do well, appreciates the work that these 
> people are putting in-everyone wants to be appreciated-and cares about how 
> things are done.  Who wouldn't want to include someone like that?
>    There's no need to go into the situation with guns blazing, especially 
> if they want to be accommodating and you don't have the support behind you 
> to go all out.  Remember that you'll catch more flies with honey and only 
> want to resort to vinegar if you must.
> I really hope this helps you!
> Best wishes,
> Lizzy
>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 25 22:53:01 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 18:53:01 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions About the Disabilities Office and
 Readers
In-Reply-To: <SN1PR12MB0159A7E29415C1DA85A6DC44BAA80@SN1PR12MB0159.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <580f5dab.4b62370a.de3a9.397b@mx.google.com>
	<SN1PR12MB0159A7E29415C1DA85A6DC44BAA80@SN1PR12MB0159.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
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Elizabeth,

I hope you do okay somehow in the class. It sounds like you doing what you 
can. Its unethical what they are doing to you. As a student who paid for the 
classes, you have a right to speak to people impacting your education. Your 
disability coordinator should meet with you; what on earth is she so busy 
that she cannot take one  hour of her work week to talk. Your professor has 
a responsibility to talk to you. You should report the professor!

You said
"I feel as though if there was an agreement for the disabilities office to 
provide me with in-class assistance with a reader for the full duration of 
the class period, and if the disabilities has somehow changed their 
willingness to provide me with this service, or no longer wish to provide 
this service to me, then this is a discussion either the person in charge of 
the disabilities office or my assigned reader from the disabilities office 
should be having with me and not my professor."

I agree Elizabeth! They need to discuss with you the change in attitude and 
plans. I can only suggest that you communicate with the reader in class best 
you can. Also, talk to the disability coordinator's supervisor after the 
semester. And, if there is a way to file a complaint at the school, do so. 
File a complaint with the office of equity and diversity or similar office.

If you want to chat off list, email bookwormahb at earthlink.net.

Take care,
Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 11:06 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions About the Disabilities Office and 
Readers

Hello Lizzy,

I am sorry you feel as though my feelings of frustration regarding some of 
the responses I received from my most recent posts on this email list are 
not warranted. However, there were some responses that I received that did 
not come across to me as coming from a place of kindness that escalated 
further off list that I simply did not appreciate.

I think your suggestions are good ones. However, they simply are not 
applicable to my situation. My reader that is assigned to work with me from 
the disabilities office is either not willing or is not able to talk to me 
directly about any problems she may be having with me. I am not able to talk 
to my professor as she is really not that great of a professor who simply 
does not understand the concept that I want to be able to participate in 
class as an equal. And the person in charge of the disabilities office is 
not willing to talk to me either despite the emails I have sent her 
requesting to meet with her.

Since the professor does not appear to be all accommodating, and likes to do 
things rather randomly, including class activities using hard copy print 
that needs to be handed in at the end of the class period. Also, not 
necessarily everything on the print handouts can be read with a Screen 
reader. However, I thought I would be able to make it through this class as 
I felt as though I had a good working relationship with my reader. I figured 
using a reader in class for the full duration of the class period would be 
the best way to deal with the random teaching style of my professor.

However, this seemed to change all of a sudden last week. I am still not 
completely sure what exactly is causing the problem. However, based on the 
questions the person in charge of the disabilities office had for my 
professor, it looks as though there might have been some questions as to 
whether or not I really needed a reader for the full duration of my class 
period. However, I can only assume this might be the problem as no one 
appears to want to talk to me directly about anything in regards to this 
issue.

I appreciate different perspectives regarding policies and procedures about 
the person in charge of the disabilities office contacting my professor 
without my permission or talking to me about it first. It seems as though 
the people on here who have offered different perspectives either knew about 
the person in charge of the disabilities office contacting the professor 
ahead of time, or had a good relationship with the person in charge of the 
disabilities office. Unfortunately, this is not the case for me. I cannot 
even speak to the person in charge of the disabilities office in person or 
over the phone as she is simply too busy to talk to me.

I feel as though if there was an agreement for the disabilities office to 
provide me with in-class assistance with a reader for the full duration of 
the class period, and if the disabilities has somehow changed their 
willingness to provide me with this service, or no longer wish to provide 
this service to me, then this is a discussion either the person in charge of 
the disabilities office or my assigned reader from the disabilities office 
should be having with me and not my professor.

I have already tried talking to my professor at the end of class as well as 
during her office hours. However, the last time I showed up to her office 
hours, she did not want to take the time to talk to me as she felt as though 
my questions would be answered during class that day. It seemed as though 
she was more interested in preparing for class than she was in talking to me 
regarding the questions I had about concepts from class I was not 
understanding based on the way she presented these concepts in class.

Likewise, the person in charge of the disabilities office is never available 
to talk to whenever I have tried stopping by the Student Support Services 
desk either. And this situation has caused a lot of tension and friction 
between me and my assigned reader from the disabilities office to the point 
that it makes it rather difficult to work with her. And I have absolutely no 
idea how to talk to her in a more friendly manner when she is barely willing 
to talk to me about anything besides course content materials.. In short, I 
have tried all of the suggestions people are giving me, and nothing seems to 
work to improve the situation.

Elizabeth




-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lizzy via 
NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 9:27 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Lizzy <lizzym0827 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions About the Disabilities Office and 
Readers

Hi Elizabeth,
Before I address the current situation, I just want to say that I wish 
nothing but the best for you this semester.  From what I've observed, you've 
received a lot of thoughtful advice lately (as
far as the questions you've posted to this list).   It may not
always be useful to you, but it is almost always thoughtful and from a place 
of well wishing.  That said, I don't think it's fair that when people take 
the time out to respond to your questions you end the thread by saying that 
you wish you never would have posted them in the first place.  I know that 
we may not understand your situation completely, but I don't understand why 
you are treating the same people who want to help you (at your
request) with such disregard.  It's very off putting and really makes me 
hesitant to respond at all.  But alas, I want to assist in any way I can and 
even if a response doesn't help you today, hopefully it will help in the 
future or maybe someone else in a similar situation.  I said all that to 
say, I genuinely hope this thread doesn't end like the previous one.  Now, 
on to the advice:
I agree with Justin, you don't want people making major decisions without 
you present, but the way to bring this up is by showing that you are a 
hands-on student.  Meeting with the DS coordinator at your school so that 
you can form a positive working relationship with that person, meeting with 
your professors during office hours or scheduled appointments, meeting with 
your reader and not always necessarily in an "OK, let's get to work" kind of 
manner.
You discussed firing your reader (and the reason wasn't exactly clear to me 
in your previous email), and paying someone else in coffee.  If you can find 
it in your heart to keep the reader you have and appreciate their services a 
bit more (perhaps with a random coffee of appreciation?), you might have a 
better relationship with that person as well.
Now that you know about these 3 people meeting with each other without your 
prior knowledge, it's time to strengthen each relationship so that you can 
get the result you want.
They will automatically think to include you, if they know you personally 
because they'll value your opinion and want to know what you think.  It 
won't take too much time to grab a quick coffee, drop by office hours and 
pop into the Disabilities Services office.  You don't have to stay long or 
do this every week, just get them to know your face and who you are as a 
person.  Someone who wants to do well, appreciates the work that these 
people are putting in-everyone wants to be appreciated-and cares about how 
things are done.  Who wouldn't want to include someone like that?
There's no need to go into the situation with guns blazing, especially if 
they want to be accommodating and you don't have the support behind you to 
go all out.  Remember that you'll catch more flies with honey and only want 
to resort to vinegar if you must.
I really hope this helps you!
Best wishes,
Lizzy

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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Tue Oct 25 21:14:17 2016
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. Labarre)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 15:14:17 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Colorado 62nd Annual State Convention
Message-ID: <003001d22f04$bf618660$3e249320$@labarrelaw.com>

Greetings Students, the 62nd Annual Convention of the NFB of Colorado begins
this Thursday afternoon, October 27th.  If you are in the area and haven't
already registered, you are most welcome to attend.  If you can't be with us
for the action, we will be streaming general sessions and the Banquet.  We
will start Friday morning at 11:00 am Mountain time.  The link is:

 

http://cent6.directhostingcenter.com:2199/tunein/eomuiimi-stream.pls

 

 

We are very pleased that NFB Board Member Shawn Callaway is our national rep
and you can tune into his remarks Saturday morning and his addressSaturday
evening.  Also, NABS's very own Kathryn Webster will be addressing the
Convention Sunday morning.  I am attaching the final Word version of our
agenda to this email so that you know what we will be broadcasting.
Remember all times are Mountain.

 

Cheers,

Scott LaBarre

 

 

 

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From jameyanne at gmail.com  Tue Oct 25 23:04:30 2016
From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 19:04:30 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions About the Disabilities Office and
 Readers
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Hello Elizabeth,
Thank you for giving us more details. With this information, I totally agree
with Ashley. You had accommodations set up that you felt would be
reasonable, and now they want to change them, and they're not talking to you
about it? You're the one who knows what's best for you. They need to be
talking to you. They might have legitimate concerns that they're not giving
you the best accommodations, or there might be a good compromise you haven't
thought of, but you definitely need to be involved in this conversation if
you want to succeed in this class.
I have two suggestions that are not exclusive of each other:
First, if you have friends in the class or friends who have taken classes
from this professor, you might check with them about whether they've gone to
office hours and received similar treatment. This will give you some more
information. Maybe it's not you and he's just a terrible teacher. Or maybe
he's helpful to other students who come with questions. Both outcomes will
give you more information that might be helpful.
Second, since you've tried to talk to everyone involved without success, I'd
contact the department head and maybe also the dean of students and ask to
set up a meeting with the professor, the reader, the disabilities
coordinator, and yourself. Politely express your concerns with the
situation, and frame it around your desire to have the support to do well in
the class rather than your frustration at everyone involved. Do say you've
been having trouble discussing the matter with the professor, disabilities
services, and the reader, and you're hopeful the dean or department head can
help facilitate a conversation so you can solve this problem as soon as
possible.
I hope this is helpful. I'm sorry you're dealing with this situation.
Best,
Jameyanne

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 6:53 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions About the Disabilities Office and
Readers

Elizabeth,

I hope you do okay somehow in the class. It sounds like you doing what you 
can. Its unethical what they are doing to you. As a student who paid for the

classes, you have a right to speak to people impacting your education. Your 
disability coordinator should meet with you; what on earth is she so busy 
that she cannot take one  hour of her work week to talk. Your professor has 
a responsibility to talk to you. You should report the professor!

You said
"I feel as though if there was an agreement for the disabilities office to 
provide me with in-class assistance with a reader for the full duration of 
the class period, and if the disabilities has somehow changed their 
willingness to provide me with this service, or no longer wish to provide 
this service to me, then this is a discussion either the person in charge of

the disabilities office or my assigned reader from the disabilities office 
should be having with me and not my professor."

I agree Elizabeth! They need to discuss with you the change in attitude and 
plans. I can only suggest that you communicate with the reader in class best

you can. Also, talk to the disability coordinator's supervisor after the 
semester. And, if there is a way to file a complaint at the school, do so. 
File a complaint with the office of equity and diversity or similar office.

If you want to chat off list, email bookwormahb at earthlink.net.

Take care,
Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 11:06 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions About the Disabilities Office and 
Readers

Hello Lizzy,

I am sorry you feel as though my feelings of frustration regarding some of 
the responses I received from my most recent posts on this email list are 
not warranted. However, there were some responses that I received that did 
not come across to me as coming from a place of kindness that escalated 
further off list that I simply did not appreciate.

I think your suggestions are good ones. However, they simply are not 
applicable to my situation. My reader that is assigned to work with me from 
the disabilities office is either not willing or is not able to talk to me 
directly about any problems she may be having with me. I am not able to talk

to my professor as she is really not that great of a professor who simply 
does not understand the concept that I want to be able to participate in 
class as an equal. And the person in charge of the disabilities office is 
not willing to talk to me either despite the emails I have sent her 
requesting to meet with her.

Since the professor does not appear to be all accommodating, and likes to do

things rather randomly, including class activities using hard copy print 
that needs to be handed in at the end of the class period. Also, not 
necessarily everything on the print handouts can be read with a Screen 
reader. However, I thought I would be able to make it through this class as 
I felt as though I had a good working relationship with my reader. I figured

using a reader in class for the full duration of the class period would be 
the best way to deal with the random teaching style of my professor.

However, this seemed to change all of a sudden last week. I am still not 
completely sure what exactly is causing the problem. However, based on the 
questions the person in charge of the disabilities office had for my 
professor, it looks as though there might have been some questions as to 
whether or not I really needed a reader for the full duration of my class 
period. However, I can only assume this might be the problem as no one 
appears to want to talk to me directly about anything in regards to this 
issue.

I appreciate different perspectives regarding policies and procedures about 
the person in charge of the disabilities office contacting my professor 
without my permission or talking to me about it first. It seems as though 
the people on here who have offered different perspectives either knew about

the person in charge of the disabilities office contacting the professor 
ahead of time, or had a good relationship with the person in charge of the 
disabilities office. Unfortunately, this is not the case for me. I cannot 
even speak to the person in charge of the disabilities office in person or 
over the phone as she is simply too busy to talk to me.

I feel as though if there was an agreement for the disabilities office to 
provide me with in-class assistance with a reader for the full duration of 
the class period, and if the disabilities has somehow changed their 
willingness to provide me with this service, or no longer wish to provide 
this service to me, then this is a discussion either the person in charge of

the disabilities office or my assigned reader from the disabilities office 
should be having with me and not my professor.

I have already tried talking to my professor at the end of class as well as 
during her office hours. However, the last time I showed up to her office 
hours, she did not want to take the time to talk to me as she felt as though

my questions would be answered during class that day. It seemed as though 
she was more interested in preparing for class than she was in talking to me

regarding the questions I had about concepts from class I was not 
understanding based on the way she presented these concepts in class.

Likewise, the person in charge of the disabilities office is never available

to talk to whenever I have tried stopping by the Student Support Services 
desk either. And this situation has caused a lot of tension and friction 
between me and my assigned reader from the disabilities office to the point 
that it makes it rather difficult to work with her. And I have absolutely no

idea how to talk to her in a more friendly manner when she is barely willing

to talk to me about anything besides course content materials.. In short, I 
have tried all of the suggestions people are giving me, and nothing seems to

work to improve the situation.

Elizabeth




-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lizzy via 
NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 9:27 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Lizzy <lizzym0827 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions About the Disabilities Office and 
Readers

Hi Elizabeth,
Before I address the current situation, I just want to say that I wish 
nothing but the best for you this semester.  From what I've observed, you've

received a lot of thoughtful advice lately (as
far as the questions you've posted to this list).   It may not
always be useful to you, but it is almost always thoughtful and from a place

of well wishing.  That said, I don't think it's fair that when people take 
the time out to respond to your questions you end the thread by saying that 
you wish you never would have posted them in the first place.  I know that 
we may not understand your situation completely, but I don't understand why 
you are treating the same people who want to help you (at your
request) with such disregard.  It's very off putting and really makes me 
hesitant to respond at all.  But alas, I want to assist in any way I can and

even if a response doesn't help you today, hopefully it will help in the 
future or maybe someone else in a similar situation.  I said all that to 
say, I genuinely hope this thread doesn't end like the previous one.  Now, 
on to the advice:
I agree with Justin, you don't want people making major decisions without 
you present, but the way to bring this up is by showing that you are a 
hands-on student.  Meeting with the DS coordinator at your school so that 
you can form a positive working relationship with that person, meeting with 
your professors during office hours or scheduled appointments, meeting with 
your reader and not always necessarily in an "OK, let's get to work" kind of

manner.
You discussed firing your reader (and the reason wasn't exactly clear to me 
in your previous email), and paying someone else in coffee.  If you can find

it in your heart to keep the reader you have and appreciate their services a

bit more (perhaps with a random coffee of appreciation?), you might have a 
better relationship with that person as well.
Now that you know about these 3 people meeting with each other without your 
prior knowledge, it's time to strengthen each relationship so that you can 
get the result you want.
They will automatically think to include you, if they know you personally 
because they'll value your opinion and want to know what you think.  It 
won't take too much time to grab a quick coffee, drop by office hours and 
pop into the Disabilities Services office.  You don't have to stay long or 
do this every week, just get them to know your face and who you are as a 
person.  Someone who wants to do well, appreciates the work that these 
people are putting in-everyone wants to be appreciated-and cares about how 
things are done.  Who wouldn't want to include someone like that?
There's no need to go into the situation with guns blazing, especially if 
they want to be accommodating and you don't have the support behind you to 
go all out.  Remember that you'll catch more flies with honey and only want 
to resort to vinegar if you must.
I really hope this helps you!
Best wishes,
Lizzy

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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 26 01:12:18 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 01:12:18 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions About the Disabilities Office and
 Readers
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Hello Vejas,

Please forgive me, but I am simply tired of hearing people tell me that I am somehow doing something wrong or that this situation is somehow my fault. I have tried every suggestion that has been made on here, and nothing seems to be working. 

The only thing that has changed since I first posted my questions is that I have decided that I simply cannot find another reader to replace the reader that has been assigned to me by the disabilities office. Something else has come up in my personal life that simply makes this too difficult for me to do right now. And even though there is a lot of tension and friction between me and my reader, at least she was willing to go out of her way to show me some of the concepts my professor was not willing to explain to me during our lab session yesterday. I really did not want to deal with this tension and friction between me and my reader for the rest of the semester, but I am not so sure where I will be able to find a reader for free right now given what is going on in my personal life. 

I am simply doing my best to deal with this situation the best way that I can. However, this situation has caused a lot of unnecessary stress for me, and I know I do not always communicate well with others when I am tired and frustrated. I am sorry if any of my posts to the email list have offended anyone. From here on out I will post my questions to people individually rather than post them here on the NABS email list.

Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 3:01 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions About the Disabilities Office and Readers

Elizabeth, you  should not feel the need to tell people that their attempts at trying to help you are not applicable. Lizzy gave you some great suggestions that, as she pointed out, could be helpful to you or anyone else. All you really should have said was something like "Thank you so much Lizzy, I appreciate your suggestions and will keep them stored in the future."
You keep writing to a group of people who try to help you,  then when we do  you find a reason that this help is not good enough. I know that life can be hard at times, but it is important to have a positive outlook.
If you can't deal with writing to a board, maybe you could confide in a close friend about your issues? Alternatively, you could just try to figure them out for yourself. 
You need to figure out how to deal with life because if you don't, then nothing will ever satisfy you. How do you want people to remember by when they think of your name? Just think about this.
Vejas     

> On Oct 25, 2016, at 08:06, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Lizzy,
> 
> I am sorry you feel as though my feelings of frustration regarding some of the responses I received from my most recent posts on this email list are not warranted. However, there were some responses that I received that did not come across to me as coming from a place of kindness that escalated further off list that I simply did not appreciate. 
> 
> I think your suggestions are good ones. However, they simply are not applicable to my situation. My reader that is assigned to work with me from the disabilities office is either not willing or is not able to talk to me directly about any problems she may be having with me. I am not able to talk to my professor as she is really not that great of a professor who simply does not understand the concept that I want to be able to participate in class as an equal. And the person in charge of the disabilities office is not willing to talk to me either despite the emails I have sent her requesting to meet with her.
> 
> Since the professor does not appear to be all accommodating, and likes to do things rather randomly, including class activities using hard copy print that needs to be handed in at the end of the class period. Also, not necessarily everything on the print handouts can be read with a Screen reader. However, I thought I would be able to make it through this class as I felt as though I had a good working relationship with my reader. I figured using a reader in class for the full duration of the class period would be the best way to deal with the random teaching style of my professor.
> 
> However, this seemed to change all of a sudden last week. I am still not completely sure what exactly is causing the problem. However, based on the questions the person in charge of the disabilities office had for my professor, it looks as though there might have been some questions as to whether or not I really needed a reader for the full duration of my class period. However, I can only assume this might be the problem as no one appears to want to talk to me directly about anything in regards to this issue.
> 
> I appreciate different perspectives regarding policies and procedures about the person in charge of the disabilities office contacting my professor without my permission or talking to me about it first. It seems as though the people on here who have offered different perspectives either knew about the person in charge of the disabilities office contacting the professor ahead of time, or had a good relationship with the person in charge of the disabilities office. Unfortunately, this is not the case for me. I cannot even speak to the person in charge of the disabilities office in person or over the phone as she is simply too busy to talk to me.
> 
> I feel as though if there was an agreement for the disabilities office to provide me with in-class assistance with a reader for the full duration of the class period, and if the disabilities has somehow changed their willingness to provide me with this service, or no longer wish to provide this service to me, then this is a discussion either the person in charge of the disabilities office or my assigned reader from the disabilities office should be having with me and not my professor.
> 
> I have already tried talking to my professor at the end of class as well as during her office hours. However, the last time I showed up to her office hours, she did not want to take the time to talk to me as she felt as though my questions would be answered during class that day. It seemed as though she was more interested in preparing for class than she was in talking to me regarding the questions I had about concepts from class I was not understanding based on the way she presented these concepts in class.
> 
> Likewise, the person in charge of the disabilities office is never available to talk to whenever I have tried stopping by the Student Support Services desk either. And this situation has caused a lot of tension and friction between me and my assigned reader from the disabilities office to the point that it makes it rather difficult to work with her. And I have absolutely no idea how to talk to her in a more friendly manner when she is barely willing to talk to me about anything besides course content materials.. In short, I have tried all of the suggestions people are giving me, and nothing seems to work to improve the situation.
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lizzy via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 9:27 AM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Lizzy <lizzym0827 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions About the Disabilities Office and Readers
> 
> Hi Elizabeth,
> Before I address the current situation, I just want to say that I wish nothing but the best for you this semester.  From what I've observed, you've received a lot of thoughtful advice lately (as 
> far as the questions you've posted to this list).   It may not 
> always be useful to you, but it is almost always thoughtful and from a place of well wishing.  That said, I don't think it's fair that when people take the time out to respond to your questions you end the thread by saying that you wish you never would have posted them in the first place.  I know that we may not understand your situation completely, but I don't understand why you are treating the same people who want to help you (at your
> request) with such disregard.  It's very off putting and really makes me hesitant to respond at all.  But alas, I want to assist in any way I can and even if a response doesn't help you today, hopefully it will help in the future or maybe someone else in a similar situation.  I said all that to say, I genuinely hope this thread doesn't end like the previous one.  Now, on to the advice:
>    I agree with Justin, you don't want people making major decisions without you present, but the way to bring this up is by showing that you are a hands-on student.  Meeting with the DS coordinator at your school so that you can form a positive working relationship with that person, meeting with your professors during office hours or scheduled appointments, meeting with your reader and not always necessarily in an "OK, let's get to work" kind of manner.  
> You discussed firing your reader (and the reason wasn't exactly clear to me in your previous email), and paying someone else in coffee.  If you can find it in your heart to keep the reader you have and appreciate their services a bit more (perhaps with a random coffee of appreciation?), you might have a better relationship with that person as well.  
> Now that you know about these 3 people meeting with each other without your prior knowledge, it's time to strengthen each relationship so that you can get the result you want.  
> They will automatically think to include you, if they know you personally because they'll value your opinion and want to know what you think.  It won't take too much time to grab a quick coffee, drop by office hours and pop into the Disabilities Services office.  You don't have to stay long or do this every week, just get them to know your face and who you are as a person.  Someone who wants to do well, appreciates the work that these people are putting in-everyone wants to be appreciated-and cares about how things are done.  Who wouldn't want to include someone like that?
>    There's no need to go into the situation with guns blazing, especially if they want to be accommodating and you don't have the support behind you to go all out.  Remember that you'll catch more flies with honey and only want to resort to vinegar if you must.
> I really hope this helps you!
> Best wishes,
> Lizzy
> 
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From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 03:17:49 2016
From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 23:17:49 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions About the Disabilities Office and
 Readers
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If you don't have the agreement in writing, they probably don't remember it
unfortunately. However, most accomodations centers do not provide readers. I
know my college does not. I had to find another way and I did.

Thanks,
Aaron Linson 
CEO Blind Faith Project
CEO Linson Productions

Aaron Linson 

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 6:53 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions About the Disabilities Office and
Readers

Elizabeth,

I hope you do okay somehow in the class. It sounds like you doing what you
can. Its unethical what they are doing to you. As a student who paid for the
classes, you have a right to speak to people impacting your education. Your
disability coordinator should meet with you; what on earth is she so busy
that she cannot take one  hour of her work week to talk. Your professor has
a responsibility to talk to you. You should report the professor!

You said
"I feel as though if there was an agreement for the disabilities office to
provide me with in-class assistance with a reader for the full duration of
the class period, and if the disabilities has somehow changed their
willingness to provide me with this service, or no longer wish to provide
this service to me, then this is a discussion either the person in charge of
the disabilities office or my assigned reader from the disabilities office
should be having with me and not my professor."

I agree Elizabeth! They need to discuss with you the change in attitude and
plans. I can only suggest that you communicate with the reader in class best
you can. Also, talk to the disability coordinator's supervisor after the
semester. And, if there is a way to file a complaint at the school, do so. 
File a complaint with the office of equity and diversity or similar office.

If you want to chat off list, email bookwormahb at earthlink.net.

Take care,
Ashley

-----Original Message-----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 11:06 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions About the Disabilities Office and
Readers

Hello Lizzy,

I am sorry you feel as though my feelings of frustration regarding some of
the responses I received from my most recent posts on this email list are
not warranted. However, there were some responses that I received that did
not come across to me as coming from a place of kindness that escalated
further off list that I simply did not appreciate.

I think your suggestions are good ones. However, they simply are not
applicable to my situation. My reader that is assigned to work with me from
the disabilities office is either not willing or is not able to talk to me
directly about any problems she may be having with me. I am not able to talk
to my professor as she is really not that great of a professor who simply
does not understand the concept that I want to be able to participate in
class as an equal. And the person in charge of the disabilities office is
not willing to talk to me either despite the emails I have sent her
requesting to meet with her.

Since the professor does not appear to be all accommodating, and likes to do
things rather randomly, including class activities using hard copy print
that needs to be handed in at the end of the class period. Also, not
necessarily everything on the print handouts can be read with a Screen
reader. However, I thought I would be able to make it through this class as
I felt as though I had a good working relationship with my reader. I figured
using a reader in class for the full duration of the class period would be
the best way to deal with the random teaching style of my professor.

However, this seemed to change all of a sudden last week. I am still not
completely sure what exactly is causing the problem. However, based on the
questions the person in charge of the disabilities office had for my
professor, it looks as though there might have been some questions as to
whether or not I really needed a reader for the full duration of my class
period. However, I can only assume this might be the problem as no one
appears to want to talk to me directly about anything in regards to this
issue.

I appreciate different perspectives regarding policies and procedures about
the person in charge of the disabilities office contacting my professor
without my permission or talking to me about it first. It seems as though
the people on here who have offered different perspectives either knew about
the person in charge of the disabilities office contacting the professor
ahead of time, or had a good relationship with the person in charge of the
disabilities office. Unfortunately, this is not the case for me. I cannot
even speak to the person in charge of the disabilities office in person or
over the phone as she is simply too busy to talk to me.

I feel as though if there was an agreement for the disabilities office to
provide me with in-class assistance with a reader for the full duration of
the class period, and if the disabilities has somehow changed their
willingness to provide me with this service, or no longer wish to provide
this service to me, then this is a discussion either the person in charge of
the disabilities office or my assigned reader from the disabilities office
should be having with me and not my professor.

I have already tried talking to my professor at the end of class as well as
during her office hours. However, the last time I showed up to her office
hours, she did not want to take the time to talk to me as she felt as though
my questions would be answered during class that day. It seemed as though
she was more interested in preparing for class than she was in talking to me
regarding the questions I had about concepts from class I was not
understanding based on the way she presented these concepts in class.

Likewise, the person in charge of the disabilities office is never available
to talk to whenever I have tried stopping by the Student Support Services
desk either. And this situation has caused a lot of tension and friction
between me and my assigned reader from the disabilities office to the point
that it makes it rather difficult to work with her. And I have absolutely no
idea how to talk to her in a more friendly manner when she is barely willing
to talk to me about anything besides course content materials.. In short, I
have tried all of the suggestions people are giving me, and nothing seems to
work to improve the situation.

Elizabeth




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To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Lizzy <lizzym0827 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions About the Disabilities Office and
Readers

Hi Elizabeth,
Before I address the current situation, I just want to say that I wish
nothing but the best for you this semester.  From what I've observed, you've
received a lot of thoughtful advice lately (as
far as the questions you've posted to this list).   It may not
always be useful to you, but it is almost always thoughtful and from a place
of well wishing.  That said, I don't think it's fair that when people take
the time out to respond to your questions you end the thread by saying that
you wish you never would have posted them in the first place.  I know that
we may not understand your situation completely, but I don't understand why
you are treating the same people who want to help you (at your
request) with such disregard.  It's very off putting and really makes me
hesitant to respond at all.  But alas, I want to assist in any way I can and
even if a response doesn't help you today, hopefully it will help in the
future or maybe someone else in a similar situation.  I said all that to
say, I genuinely hope this thread doesn't end like the previous one.  Now,
on to the advice:
I agree with Justin, you don't want people making major decisions without
you present, but the way to bring this up is by showing that you are a
hands-on student.  Meeting with the DS coordinator at your school so that
you can form a positive working relationship with that person, meeting with
your professors during office hours or scheduled appointments, meeting with
your reader and not always necessarily in an "OK, let's get to work" kind of
manner.
You discussed firing your reader (and the reason wasn't exactly clear to me
in your previous email), and paying someone else in coffee.  If you can find
it in your heart to keep the reader you have and appreciate their services a
bit more (perhaps with a random coffee of appreciation?), you might have a
better relationship with that person as well.
Now that you know about these 3 people meeting with each other without your
prior knowledge, it's time to strengthen each relationship so that you can
get the result you want.
They will automatically think to include you, if they know you personally
because they'll value your opinion and want to know what you think.  It
won't take too much time to grab a quick coffee, drop by office hours and
pop into the Disabilities Services office.  You don't have to stay long or
do this every week, just get them to know your face and who you are as a
person.  Someone who wants to do well, appreciates the work that these
people are putting in-everyone wants to be appreciated-and cares about how
things are done.  Who wouldn't want to include someone like that?
There's no need to go into the situation with guns blazing, especially if
they want to be accommodating and you don't have the support behind you to
go all out.  Remember that you'll catch more flies with honey and only want
to resort to vinegar if you must.
I really hope this helps you!
Best wishes,
Lizzy

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From lizzym0827 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 05:21:16 2016
From: lizzym0827 at gmail.com (Lizzy)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 01:21:16 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions About the Disabilities Office and
 Readers
Message-ID: <58103d5b.894b370a.97690.08f6@mx.google.com>

Hi Elizabeth,
Thank you for clarifying your previous responses, I can better 
understand the situation and definitely feel more compelled to 
assist.  Given these circumstances, I agree with Ashley, you 
should definitely write to the administration detailing this 
situation (on all sides).  Show them emails that you've written 
to the DS Coordinator, write follow-up emails to your professor 
(copying the dean if need be) saying that it was so great to meet 
in office hours today but it was unfortunate that the two of you 
didn't have the chance to talk more extensively about the 
material (also note here that sometimes it is a useful 
accommodation to preview things in office hours so that you get a 
basic understanding of material and then learn the ins and ous 
during class).  It might also be useful to have a copy of some of 
the suggestions you've received here so that they know that this 
situation is fixable when you have the right resources available 
at your school.  Get everything in writing though, and speak with 
the Dean, Provost, President whoever you need to talk to so that 
they understand that you are hardworking, willing to go the extra 
mile and really invested in passing the course.  In other words, 
make sure they know that what's happening is not your fault (but 
be subtle about it).
HTH,
Lizzy


From pompey2010 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 26 06:17:59 2016
From: pompey2010 at yahoo.com (Bobbi Pompey)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 01:17:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Irie NeoNote Notetaker
Message-ID: <AE72EF8E-6F42-457C-8F45-F5FE1C21CA5E@yahoo.com>

Hello NABS fam, 

I am in the process of deciding which braille notetaker I would like. At National Convention I saw the NeoNote by Irie and it really grabbed my interest for a variety of reasons. 

For those of you who know of this device, can you please let me know your opinions of it and why. 

Your help is greatly appreciated! Thanks!


Bobbi A. L. Pompey
(336) 988-6375
http://bobbialpompey.webs.com 

From johnniejduran at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 14:01:15 2016
From: johnniejduran at gmail.com (johnnie Jean duran)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 08:01:15 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Ceramics
Message-ID: <CAOiA0StjYm1TVR8GVz7s4DHs1zAoVE5fZ-5-93_vHDGsCC7dTg@mail.gmail.com>

Good morning students:
As an elective, I have decided to take ceramics for a great artistic
experience. I am doing well at pottery building and sculpting.
However, now we're glazing. Over glazes were easy, because putting 3
coats completely over the project does not require much sight.
However, now we're painting a smooth pinch pot we've created, which
requires under glazing. This requires sight in order to pay attention
to extreme detail. My teacher requires our project to have a pattern,
whether it's colors, stripes, complex shapes including flowers, etc.
But I'm not sure how to complete this project independently. I have a
para in class with me, but I don't want her to do all the work. It is
easy 6smear glaze together, and touching it ruins the design. Any
suggestions are tremendously appreciated!
Thanks,
JJ

-- 
Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran
Secretary
North Metro Chapter
Board Member
Colorado Association of Blind Students (CABS)
National Federation of the Blind of Colorado
11th Grade
John F. Kennedy High School
Denver, Colorado. 80227


From jameyanne at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 15:07:24 2016
From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 11:07:24 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Ceramics
In-Reply-To: <CAOiA0StjYm1TVR8GVz7s4DHs1zAoVE5fZ-5-93_vHDGsCC7dTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOiA0StjYm1TVR8GVz7s4DHs1zAoVE5fZ-5-93_vHDGsCC7dTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000a01d22f9a$a964f2c0$fc2ed840$@gmail.com>

Hello,
I haven't done this sort of thing since middle school art class, but I do
have some thoughts.
First, you should definitely communicate your concerns to your teacher. They
might be part of a list serve of other art teachers they could ask for
advice. Also, if you communicate with your teacher, they'll know that you're
concerned and you're trying and they might be more willing to be a little
forgiving if you do smear.
Second, and I have no idea if this would work, but I wonder if there's a way
you could somehow block yourself from glazing outside the lines in a tactile
way, like with tape or wikki sticks. I'm thinking of how we make designs on
easter eggs by covering parts of the egg with tape so that when you remove
the tape that part of the egg isn't painted. Like I said, I have no idea if
this would work.
Hope this is helpful.
Jameyanne

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duran via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 10:01 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: johnnie Jean duran <johnniejduran at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Ceramics

Good morning students:
As an elective, I have decided to take ceramics for a great artistic
experience. I am doing well at pottery building and sculpting.
However, now we're glazing. Over glazes were easy, because putting 3
coats completely over the project does not require much sight.
However, now we're painting a smooth pinch pot we've created, which
requires under glazing. This requires sight in order to pay attention
to extreme detail. My teacher requires our project to have a pattern,
whether it's colors, stripes, complex shapes including flowers, etc.
But I'm not sure how to complete this project independently. I have a
para in class with me, but I don't want her to do all the work. It is
easy 6smear glaze together, and touching it ruins the design. Any
suggestions are tremendously appreciated!
Thanks,
JJ

-- 
Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran
Secretary
North Metro Chapter
Board Member
Colorado Association of Blind Students (CABS)
National Federation of the Blind of Colorado
11th Grade
John F. Kennedy High School
Denver, Colorado. 80227

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From kskristen at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 15:51:00 2016
From: kskristen at gmail.com (Kristen Steele)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 10:51:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Ceramics
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References: <CAOiA0StjYm1TVR8GVz7s4DHs1zAoVE5fZ-5-93_vHDGsCC7dTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<000a01d22f9a$a964f2c0$fc2ed840$@gmail.com>
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Hi, JJ--

I took a Ceramics class in high school. The pattern required in yours
adds an extra difficulty, especially if you're doing multiple colors.
For painting specific designs, I often looked for stencils, and my
para would hold that up against the object while I painted within the
lines by feel. You need several coats with glaze, so I would start on
it, do a coat or two, and them have her guide my hand for touch-ups
and to get it spread evenly within the creases. I didn't want mine to
look any differently or stand out as messy. A para is there to help,
and I would use her sight on something as visual as Ceramics, but make
it more of a teamwork idea, not having her take over.

Also, I would share your ideas with your teacher, and ask for some
leniency on grading. I remember doing a pinch pot on the wheel, and
even with my teacher's guidance, he gave me a D because it wasn't
exactly the same height on either side. I ended up taking that course
just for enjoyment, and my counselor made it a pass/fail grade, so it
wouldn't affect my GPA, which is something you could check into if you
feel you aren't being graded fairly.
--
Kristen

On 10/26/16, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello,
> I haven't done this sort of thing since middle school art class, but I do
> have some thoughts.
> First, you should definitely communicate your concerns to your teacher.
> They
> might be part of a list serve of other art teachers they could ask for
> advice. Also, if you communicate with your teacher, they'll know that
> you're
> concerned and you're trying and they might be more willing to be a little
> forgiving if you do smear.
> Second, and I have no idea if this would work, but I wonder if there's a
> way
> you could somehow block yourself from glazing outside the lines in a
> tactile
> way, like with tape or wikki sticks. I'm thinking of how we make designs on
> easter eggs by covering parts of the egg with tape so that when you remove
> the tape that part of the egg isn't painted. Like I said, I have no idea if
> this would work.
> Hope this is helpful.
> Jameyanne
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of johnnie Jean
> duran via NABS-L
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 10:01 AM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: johnnie Jean duran <johnniejduran at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Ceramics
>
> Good morning students:
> As an elective, I have decided to take ceramics for a great artistic
> experience. I am doing well at pottery building and sculpting.
> However, now we're glazing. Over glazes were easy, because putting 3
> coats completely over the project does not require much sight.
> However, now we're painting a smooth pinch pot we've created, which
> requires under glazing. This requires sight in order to pay attention
> to extreme detail. My teacher requires our project to have a pattern,
> whether it's colors, stripes, complex shapes including flowers, etc.
> But I'm not sure how to complete this project independently. I have a
> para in class with me, but I don't want her to do all the work. It is
> easy 6smear glaze together, and touching it ruins the design. Any
> suggestions are tremendously appreciated!
> Thanks,
> JJ
>
> --
> Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran
> Secretary
> North Metro Chapter
> Board Member
> Colorado Association of Blind Students (CABS)
> National Federation of the Blind of Colorado
> 11th Grade
> John F. Kennedy High School
> Denver, Colorado. 80227
>
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 18:22:51 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 11:22:51 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Irie NeoNote Notetaker
In-Reply-To: <AE72EF8E-6F42-457C-8F45-F5FE1C21CA5E@yahoo.com>
References: <AE72EF8E-6F42-457C-8F45-F5FE1C21CA5E@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <95B20DBA-D4DB-45B3-B095-641870BAB783@gmail.com>

Hi Bobbi,
I, too, am considering purchasing this note taker  down the line. I have a braillenote Apex now, so any note taker with a more modern twist is better, LOL.
I like the quality of the Braille, the ability to open up all kinds of files and have access to You-Tube, and the ability to purchase apps. Although I am a Braillenote user, I like this better than the Touch because I don't like the feel of writing on a touch screen.
This all being said, I'm still debating between the Neo and the Braille Sense. I am thinking the Neo would be better because it has the most modern hardware and software. My only concern about the Neo is that it is so new that I don't really have any knowledge about any possible bugs, and how serious they might be.
Also to add, I think the Sd Card slot fits a card of 128 GB, which is great because my current card is now 64 GB.
Vejas 


> On Oct 25, 2016, at 23:17, Bobbi Pompey via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello NABS fam, 
> 
> I am in the process of deciding which braille notetaker I would like. At National Convention I saw the NeoNote by Irie and it really grabbed my interest for a variety of reasons. 
> 
> For those of you who know of this device, can you please let me know your opinions of it and why. 
> 
> Your help is greatly appreciated! Thanks!
> 
> 
> Bobbi A. L. Pompey
> (336) 988-6375
> http://bobbialpompey.webs.com 
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 18:29:08 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 11:29:08 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Ceramics
In-Reply-To: <CAOiA0StjYm1TVR8GVz7s4DHs1zAoVE5fZ-5-93_vHDGsCC7dTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOiA0StjYm1TVR8GVz7s4DHs1zAoVE5fZ-5-93_vHDGsCC7dTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E3E160E9-7692-421C-8283-79B3787CD8D2@gmail.com>

Hi,
I really like  Jameyadne's suggestions. I wanted to add one more possibility.
Could you ask your teacher for an alternate assignment that you could do independently and that maybe involves over glazing? That way you could be doing the work yourself. For an assignment in a class I had that required taking a photo that somehow represented what it means to be a good leader, I wrote about one.
Vejas 

> On Oct 26, 2016, at 07:01, johnnie Jean duran via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good morning students:
> As an elective, I have decided to take ceramics for a great artistic
> experience. I am doing well at pottery building and sculpting.
> However, now we're glazing. Over glazes were easy, because putting 3
> coats completely over the project does not require much sight.
> However, now we're painting a smooth pinch pot we've created, which
> requires under glazing. This requires sight in order to pay attention
> to extreme detail. My teacher requires our project to have a pattern,
> whether it's colors, stripes, complex shapes including flowers, etc.
> But I'm not sure how to complete this project independently. I have a
> para in class with me, but I don't want her to do all the work. It is
> easy 6smear glaze together, and touching it ruins the design. Any
> suggestions are tremendously appreciated!
> Thanks,
> JJ
> 
> -- 
> Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran
> Secretary
> North Metro Chapter
> Board Member
> Colorado Association of Blind Students (CABS)
> National Federation of the Blind of Colorado
> 11th Grade
> John F. Kennedy High School
> Denver, Colorado. 80227
> 
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 26 19:00:11 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 15:00:11 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Irie NeoNote Notetaker
In-Reply-To: <95B20DBA-D4DB-45B3-B095-641870BAB783@gmail.com>
References: <AE72EF8E-6F42-457C-8F45-F5FE1C21CA5E@yahoo.com>
	<95B20DBA-D4DB-45B3-B095-641870BAB783@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A5C5DD471D4A4681982B4873D247D78D@OwnerPC>

Hello,
Good questions. Like  Vejas, I hesitate to get the BrailleNote touch due to 
the braille on the touch screen.

So about the neobraille. Does this device have ports for USB drives or just 
sd cards? How many cells is the display and does it havea perkins style 
keyboard with real keys?

Thanks.
Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 2:22 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Irie NeoNote Notetaker

Hi Bobbi,
I, too, am considering purchasing this note taker  down the line. I have a 
braillenote Apex now, so any note taker with a more modern twist is better, 
LOL.
I like the quality of the Braille, the ability to open up all kinds of files 
and have access to You-Tube, and the ability to purchase apps. Although I am 
a Braillenote user, I like this better than the Touch because I don't like 
the feel of writing on a touch screen.
This all being said, I'm still debating between the Neo and the Braille 
Sense. I am thinking the Neo would be better because it has the most modern 
hardware and software. My only concern about the Neo is that it is so new 
that I don't really have any knowledge about any possible bugs, and how 
serious they might be.
Also to add, I think the Sd Card slot fits a card of 128 GB, which is great 
because my current card is now 64 GB.
Vejas


> On Oct 25, 2016, at 23:17, Bobbi Pompey via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
> wrote:
>
> Hello NABS fam,
>
> I am in the process of deciding which braille notetaker I would like. At 
> National Convention I saw the NeoNote by Irie and it really grabbed my 
> interest for a variety of reasons.
>
> For those of you who know of this device, can you please let me know your 
> opinions of it and why.
>
> Your help is greatly appreciated! Thanks!
>
>
> Bobbi A. L. Pompey
> (336) 988-6375
> http://bobbialpompey.webs.com
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From johnniejduran at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 19:34:30 2016
From: johnniejduran at gmail.com (johnnie Jean duran)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 13:34:30 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Ceramics
In-Reply-To: <E3E160E9-7692-421C-8283-79B3787CD8D2@gmail.com>
References: <CAOiA0StjYm1TVR8GVz7s4DHs1zAoVE5fZ-5-93_vHDGsCC7dTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E3E160E9-7692-421C-8283-79B3787CD8D2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOiA0SuE24X_Je4CMeR+arCLWV8shLruo9kudeMoRASF2te9hg@mail.gmail.com>

I agreed with you guys on every level, however when talking to my
teacher, she instructs me not to use my para to do any of the work and
not to ask her where my piece is missing color. Therefore, she says
that if there's a chunk of glaze missing, or if my colors smear
together, it's ok, because it's my work. I personally disagree with
her directions, because I believe that I should be able to use the
resources available to me to make my projects look like and have the
same requirements as the other students'.
Also, we've thought of tape, and used masking tape to cover up where
I'm not glazing. However, the tape felt just like the pinch pot after
being fired for the first time, so I was unable to differentiate
between the clay and the tape.

On 10/26/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> I really like  Jameyadne's suggestions. I wanted to add one more
> possibility.
> Could you ask your teacher for an alternate assignment that you could do
> independently and that maybe involves over glazing? That way you could be
> doing the work yourself. For an assignment in a class I had that required
> taking a photo that somehow represented what it means to be a good leader, I
> wrote about one.
> Vejas
>
>> On Oct 26, 2016, at 07:01, johnnie Jean duran via NABS-L
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Good morning students:
>> As an elective, I have decided to take ceramics for a great artistic
>> experience. I am doing well at pottery building and sculpting.
>> However, now we're glazing. Over glazes were easy, because putting 3
>> coats completely over the project does not require much sight.
>> However, now we're painting a smooth pinch pot we've created, which
>> requires under glazing. This requires sight in order to pay attention
>> to extreme detail. My teacher requires our project to have a pattern,
>> whether it's colors, stripes, complex shapes including flowers, etc.
>> But I'm not sure how to complete this project independently. I have a
>> para in class with me, but I don't want her to do all the work. It is
>> easy 6smear glaze together, and touching it ruins the design. Any
>> suggestions are tremendously appreciated!
>> Thanks,
>> JJ
>>
>> --
>> Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran
>> Secretary
>> North Metro Chapter
>> Board Member
>> Colorado Association of Blind Students (CABS)
>> National Federation of the Blind of Colorado
>> 11th Grade
>> John F. Kennedy High School
>> Denver, Colorado. 80227
>>
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National Federation of the Blind of Colorado
11th Grade
John F. Kennedy High School
Denver, Colorado. 80227


From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 19:50:24 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 12:50:24 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Ceramics
In-Reply-To: <CAOiA0SuE24X_Je4CMeR+arCLWV8shLruo9kudeMoRASF2te9hg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOiA0StjYm1TVR8GVz7s4DHs1zAoVE5fZ-5-93_vHDGsCC7dTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E3E160E9-7692-421C-8283-79B3787CD8D2@gmail.com>
	<CAOiA0SuE24X_Je4CMeR+arCLWV8shLruo9kudeMoRASF2te9hg@mail.gmail.com>
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At a really tough one because I can see it from both viewpoints. I think your teacher would just like to see your natural work.  I see it as kind of like if you struggle with math and have a tutor, but your teacher wants you to do the homework without the tutor even if it is  not the best work, it is your best work.
That being said,  I also understand your concerns. Your teacher sounds like she is very set in her ways. 
How is your Disability services? Maybe you could talk to them about it and have a meeting between you, the DSS and your teacher to come up with a better solution.
Good luck.
Vejas  

> On Oct 26, 2016, at 12:34, johnnie Jean duran <johnniejduran at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I agreed with you guys on every level, however when talking to my
> teacher, she instructs me not to use my para to do any of the work and
> not to ask her where my piece is missing color. Therefore, she says
> that if there's a chunk of glaze missing, or if my colors smear
> together, it's ok, because it's my work. I personally disagree with
> her directions, because I believe that I should be able to use the
> resources available to me to make my projects look like and have the
> same requirements as the other students'.
> Also, we've thought of tape, and used masking tape to cover up where
> I'm not glazing. However, the tape felt just like the pinch pot after
> being fired for the first time, so I was unable to differentiate
> between the clay and the tape.
> 
>> On 10/26/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I really like  Jameyadne's suggestions. I wanted to add one more
>> possibility.
>> Could you ask your teacher for an alternate assignment that you could do
>> independently and that maybe involves over glazing? That way you could be
>> doing the work yourself. For an assignment in a class I had that required
>> taking a photo that somehow represented what it means to be a good leader, I
>> wrote about one.
>> Vejas
>> 
>>> On Oct 26, 2016, at 07:01, johnnie Jean duran via NABS-L
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good morning students:
>>> As an elective, I have decided to take ceramics for a great artistic
>>> experience. I am doing well at pottery building and sculpting.
>>> However, now we're glazing. Over glazes were easy, because putting 3
>>> coats completely over the project does not require much sight.
>>> However, now we're painting a smooth pinch pot we've created, which
>>> requires under glazing. This requires sight in order to pay attention
>>> to extreme detail. My teacher requires our project to have a pattern,
>>> whether it's colors, stripes, complex shapes including flowers, etc.
>>> But I'm not sure how to complete this project independently. I have a
>>> para in class with me, but I don't want her to do all the work. It is
>>> easy 6smear glaze together, and touching it ruins the design. Any
>>> suggestions are tremendously appreciated!
>>> Thanks,
>>> JJ
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran
>>> Secretary
>>> North Metro Chapter
>>> Board Member
>>> Colorado Association of Blind Students (CABS)
>>> National Federation of the Blind of Colorado
>>> 11th Grade
>>> John F. Kennedy High School
>>> Denver, Colorado. 80227
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran
> Secretary
> North Metro Chapter
> Board Member
> Colorado Association of Blind Students (CABS)
> National Federation of the Blind of Colorado
> 11th Grade
> John F. Kennedy High School
> Denver, Colorado. 80227


From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 19:52:46 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 12:52:46 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Irie NeoNote Notetaker
In-Reply-To: <A5C5DD471D4A4681982B4873D247D78D@OwnerPC>
References: <AE72EF8E-6F42-457C-8F45-F5FE1C21CA5E@yahoo.com>
	<95B20DBA-D4DB-45B3-B095-641870BAB783@gmail.com>
	<A5C5DD471D4A4681982B4873D247D78D@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <8AC9F1C1-8DE6-4A4D-81A5-67BF9935C2F6@gmail.com>

Hi Ashley,
Yes, it has a Perkins style keyboard. I believe that there are at least 2 USB slots and that it is about 32 or 40 cells, but I'm not positive.
Vejas 

> On Oct 26, 2016, at 12:00, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> Good questions. Like  Vejas, I hesitate to get the BrailleNote touch due to the braille on the touch screen.
> 
> So about the neobraille. Does this device have ports for USB drives or just sd cards? How many cells is the display and does it havea perkins style keyboard with real keys?
> 
> Thanks.
> Ashley
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 2:22 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Irie NeoNote Notetaker
> 
> Hi Bobbi,
> I, too, am considering purchasing this note taker  down the line. I have a braillenote Apex now, so any note taker with a more modern twist is better, LOL.
> I like the quality of the Braille, the ability to open up all kinds of files and have access to You-Tube, and the ability to purchase apps. Although I am a Braillenote user, I like this better than the Touch because I don't like the feel of writing on a touch screen.
> This all being said, I'm still debating between the Neo and the Braille Sense. I am thinking the Neo would be better because it has the most modern hardware and software. My only concern about the Neo is that it is so new that I don't really have any knowledge about any possible bugs, and how serious they might be.
> Also to add, I think the Sd Card slot fits a card of 128 GB, which is great because my current card is now 64 GB.
> Vejas
> 
> 
>> On Oct 25, 2016, at 23:17, Bobbi Pompey via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello NABS fam,
>> 
>> I am in the process of deciding which braille notetaker I would like. At National Convention I saw the NeoNote by Irie and it really grabbed my interest for a variety of reasons.
>> 
>> For those of you who know of this device, can you please let me know your opinions of it and why.
>> 
>> Your help is greatly appreciated! Thanks!
>> 
>> 
>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey
>> (336) 988-6375
>> http://bobbialpompey.webs.com
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From kskristen at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 20:02:02 2016
From: kskristen at gmail.com (Kristen Steele)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 15:02:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Ceramics
In-Reply-To: <CAOiA0SuE24X_Je4CMeR+arCLWV8shLruo9kudeMoRASF2te9hg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOiA0StjYm1TVR8GVz7s4DHs1zAoVE5fZ-5-93_vHDGsCC7dTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E3E160E9-7692-421C-8283-79B3787CD8D2@gmail.com>
	<CAOiA0SuE24X_Je4CMeR+arCLWV8shLruo9kudeMoRASF2te9hg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD6Dm-2kbpVU9M6LUNyNeB5pGTijw=SxsUjtGoDLCC5nTGXLOQ@mail.gmail.com>

I disagree with your teacher's viewpoint as well. You might look at
your IEP to find the description of your para's roles. I know mine
said "full-time, as needed," in which case the teacher could not stop
her from helping. Explain to the teacher how you do not want yours to
look any differently, and you are already at a disadvantage in this
class with a visual impairment in a visual class. If that fails, quote
your IEP. Teachers usually listen then.

Best of luck!

On 10/26/16, johnnie Jean duran via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I agreed with you guys on every level, however when talking to my
> teacher, she instructs me not to use my para to do any of the work and
> not to ask her where my piece is missing color. Therefore, she says
> that if there's a chunk of glaze missing, or if my colors smear
> together, it's ok, because it's my work. I personally disagree with
> her directions, because I believe that I should be able to use the
> resources available to me to make my projects look like and have the
> same requirements as the other students'.
> Also, we've thought of tape, and used masking tape to cover up where
> I'm not glazing. However, the tape felt just like the pinch pot after
> being fired for the first time, so I was unable to differentiate
> between the clay and the tape.
>
> On 10/26/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I really like  Jameyadne's suggestions. I wanted to add one more
>> possibility.
>> Could you ask your teacher for an alternate assignment that you could do
>> independently and that maybe involves over glazing? That way you could be
>> doing the work yourself. For an assignment in a class I had that required
>> taking a photo that somehow represented what it means to be a good leader,
>> I
>> wrote about one.
>> Vejas
>>
>>> On Oct 26, 2016, at 07:01, johnnie Jean duran via NABS-L
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Good morning students:
>>> As an elective, I have decided to take ceramics for a great artistic
>>> experience. I am doing well at pottery building and sculpting.
>>> However, now we're glazing. Over glazes were easy, because putting 3
>>> coats completely over the project does not require much sight.
>>> However, now we're painting a smooth pinch pot we've created, which
>>> requires under glazing. This requires sight in order to pay attention
>>> to extreme detail. My teacher requires our project to have a pattern,
>>> whether it's colors, stripes, complex shapes including flowers, etc.
>>> But I'm not sure how to complete this project independently. I have a
>>> para in class with me, but I don't want her to do all the work. It is
>>> easy 6smear glaze together, and touching it ruins the design. Any
>>> suggestions are tremendously appreciated!
>>> Thanks,
>>> JJ
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran
>>> Secretary
>>> North Metro Chapter
>>> Board Member
>>> Colorado Association of Blind Students (CABS)
>>> National Federation of the Blind of Colorado
>>> 11th Grade
>>> John F. Kennedy High School
>>> Denver, Colorado. 80227
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NABS-L mailing list
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>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>
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>
>
> --
> Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran
> Secretary
> North Metro Chapter
> Board Member
> Colorado Association of Blind Students (CABS)
> National Federation of the Blind of Colorado
> 11th Grade
> John F. Kennedy High School
> Denver, Colorado. 80227
>
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From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 20:43:11 2016
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 15:43:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Ceramics
In-Reply-To: <42B6BC8D-9290-4E0C-B8D5-1A7C57105DA8@gmail.com>
References: <CAOiA0StjYm1TVR8GVz7s4DHs1zAoVE5fZ-5-93_vHDGsCC7dTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E3E160E9-7692-421C-8283-79B3787CD8D2@gmail.com>
	<CAOiA0SuE24X_Je4CMeR+arCLWV8shLruo9kudeMoRASF2te9hg@mail.gmail.com>
	<42B6BC8D-9290-4E0C-B8D5-1A7C57105DA8@gmail.com>
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Hi, 
While I can see her point, I do not necessarily agree with your professor. Provided you are the one asking the questions and doing the work, I see this sort of assistance similar to that of a reader: your para is only providing the visual information that you cannot get yourself. Maybe it is time for a meeting between yourself, your teacher, and disability services. Have you thought of using a tape other than scotch tape, like masking tape, that has a rough texture? This could help you differentiate. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 26, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> At a really tough one because I can see it from both viewpoints. I think your teacher would just like to see your natural work.  I see it as kind of like if you struggle with math and have a tutor, but your teacher wants you to do the homework without the tutor even if it is  not the best work, it is your best work.
> That being said,  I also understand your concerns. Your teacher sounds like she is very set in her ways. 
> How is your Disability services? Maybe you could talk to them about it and have a meeting between you, the DSS and your teacher to come up with a better solution.
> Good luck.
> Vejas  
> 
>> On Oct 26, 2016, at 12:34, johnnie Jean duran <johnniejduran at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I agreed with you guys on every level, however when talking to my
>> teacher, she instructs me not to use my para to do any of the work and
>> not to ask her where my piece is missing color. Therefore, she says
>> that if there's a chunk of glaze missing, or if my colors smear
>> together, it's ok, because it's my work. I personally disagree with
>> her directions, because I believe that I should be able to use the
>> resources available to me to make my projects look like and have the
>> same requirements as the other students'.
>> Also, we've thought of tape, and used masking tape to cover up where
>> I'm not glazing. However, the tape felt just like the pinch pot after
>> being fired for the first time, so I was unable to differentiate
>> between the clay and the tape.
>> 
>>> On 10/26/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I really like  Jameyadne's suggestions. I wanted to add one more
>>> possibility.
>>> Could you ask your teacher for an alternate assignment that you could do
>>> independently and that maybe involves over glazing? That way you could be
>>> doing the work yourself. For an assignment in a class I had that required
>>> taking a photo that somehow represented what it means to be a good leader, I
>>> wrote about one.
>>> Vejas
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 26, 2016, at 07:01, johnnie Jean duran via NABS-L
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Good morning students:
>>>> As an elective, I have decided to take ceramics for a great artistic
>>>> experience. I am doing well at pottery building and sculpting.
>>>> However, now we're glazing. Over glazes were easy, because putting 3
>>>> coats completely over the project does not require much sight.
>>>> However, now we're painting a smooth pinch pot we've created, which
>>>> requires under glazing. This requires sight in order to pay attention
>>>> to extreme detail. My teacher requires our project to have a pattern,
>>>> whether it's colors, stripes, complex shapes including flowers, etc.
>>>> But I'm not sure how to complete this project independently. I have a
>>>> para in class with me, but I don't want her to do all the work. It is
>>>> easy 6smear glaze together, and touching it ruins the design. Any
>>>> suggestions are tremendously appreciated!
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> JJ
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran
>>>> Secretary
>>>> North Metro Chapter
>>>> Board Member
>>>> Colorado Association of Blind Students (CABS)
>>>> National Federation of the Blind of Colorado
>>>> 11th Grade
>>>> John F. Kennedy High School
>>>> Denver, Colorado. 80227
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran
>> Secretary
>> North Metro Chapter
>> Board Member
>> Colorado Association of Blind Students (CABS)
>> National Federation of the Blind of Colorado
>> 11th Grade
>> John F. Kennedy High School
>> Denver, Colorado. 80227
> 
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From jameyanne at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 22:05:28 2016
From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 18:05:28 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Ceramics
In-Reply-To: <9342024A-AFED-41E7-B304-6083539AE9DB@gmail.com>
References: <CAOiA0StjYm1TVR8GVz7s4DHs1zAoVE5fZ-5-93_vHDGsCC7dTg@mail.gmail.com>	<E3E160E9-7692-421C-8283-79B3787CD8D2@gmail.com>	<CAOiA0SuE24X_Je4CMeR+arCLWV8shLruo9kudeMoRASF2te9hg@mail.gmail.com>	<42B6BC8D-9290-4E0C-B8D5-1A7C57105DA8@gmail.com>
	<9342024A-AFED-41E7-B304-6083539AE9DB@gmail.com>
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Possibly an obvious question, but could you remove the tape before firing?
Also I agree with what others have suggested about a meeting with your
teacher and disabilities services or other members of your team.s

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha Dudley
via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 4:43 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Ceramics

Hi, 
While I can see her point, I do not necessarily agree with your professor.
Provided you are the one asking the questions and doing the work, I see this
sort of assistance similar to that of a reader: your para is only providing
the visual information that you cannot get yourself. Maybe it is time for a
meeting between yourself, your teacher, and disability services. Have you
thought of using a tape other than scotch tape, like masking tape, that has
a rough texture? This could help you differentiate. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 26, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> At a really tough one because I can see it from both viewpoints. I think
your teacher would just like to see your natural work.  I see it as kind of
like if you struggle with math and have a tutor, but your teacher wants you
to do the homework without the tutor even if it is  not the best work, it is
your best work.
> That being said,  I also understand your concerns. Your teacher sounds
like she is very set in her ways. 
> How is your Disability services? Maybe you could talk to them about it and
have a meeting between you, the DSS and your teacher to come up with a
better solution.
> Good luck.
> Vejas  
> 
>> On Oct 26, 2016, at 12:34, johnnie Jean duran <johnniejduran at gmail.com>
wrote:
>> 
>> I agreed with you guys on every level, however when talking to my
>> teacher, she instructs me not to use my para to do any of the work and
>> not to ask her where my piece is missing color. Therefore, she says
>> that if there's a chunk of glaze missing, or if my colors smear
>> together, it's ok, because it's my work. I personally disagree with
>> her directions, because I believe that I should be able to use the
>> resources available to me to make my projects look like and have the
>> same requirements as the other students'.
>> Also, we've thought of tape, and used masking tape to cover up where
>> I'm not glazing. However, the tape felt just like the pinch pot after
>> being fired for the first time, so I was unable to differentiate
>> between the clay and the tape.
>> 
>>> On 10/26/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I really like  Jameyadne's suggestions. I wanted to add one more
>>> possibility.
>>> Could you ask your teacher for an alternate assignment that you could do
>>> independently and that maybe involves over glazing? That way you could
be
>>> doing the work yourself. For an assignment in a class I had that
required
>>> taking a photo that somehow represented what it means to be a good
leader, I
>>> wrote about one.
>>> Vejas
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 26, 2016, at 07:01, johnnie Jean duran via NABS-L
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Good morning students:
>>>> As an elective, I have decided to take ceramics for a great artistic
>>>> experience. I am doing well at pottery building and sculpting.
>>>> However, now we're glazing. Over glazes were easy, because putting 3
>>>> coats completely over the project does not require much sight.
>>>> However, now we're painting a smooth pinch pot we've created, which
>>>> requires under glazing. This requires sight in order to pay attention
>>>> to extreme detail. My teacher requires our project to have a pattern,
>>>> whether it's colors, stripes, complex shapes including flowers, etc.
>>>> But I'm not sure how to complete this project independently. I have a
>>>> para in class with me, but I don't want her to do all the work. It is
>>>> easy 6smear glaze together, and touching it ruins the design. Any
>>>> suggestions are tremendously appreciated!
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> JJ
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran
>>>> Secretary
>>>> North Metro Chapter
>>>> Board Member
>>>> Colorado Association of Blind Students (CABS)
>>>> National Federation of the Blind of Colorado
>>>> 11th Grade
>>>> John F. Kennedy High School
>>>> Denver, Colorado. 80227
>>>> 
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>> 
>> -- 
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>> Secretary
>> North Metro Chapter
>> Board Member
>> Colorado Association of Blind Students (CABS)
>> National Federation of the Blind of Colorado
>> 11th Grade
>> John F. Kennedy High School
>> Denver, Colorado. 80227
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From louvins at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 23:11:07 2016
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 18:11:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Irie NeoNote Notetaker
In-Reply-To: <8AC9F1C1-8DE6-4A4D-81A5-67BF9935C2F6@gmail.com>
References: <AE72EF8E-6F42-457C-8F45-F5FE1C21CA5E@yahoo.com>
	<95B20DBA-D4DB-45B3-B095-641870BAB783@gmail.com>
	<A5C5DD471D4A4681982B4873D247D78D@OwnerPC>
	<8AC9F1C1-8DE6-4A4D-81A5-67BF9935C2F6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADUoy9v81yoJ0gz1J6UqkTRNMnqm8ZGE-XfcFGgxASitv_fbCg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi to all.  For those who don't like the touch, you don't have to use
the braille on the touch screen if you don't want to.  The perkins
style keyboard is built into the case of the touch.

On 10/26/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Ashley,
> Yes, it has a Perkins style keyboard. I believe that there are at least 2
> USB slots and that it is about 32 or 40 cells, but I'm not positive.
> Vejas
>
>> On Oct 26, 2016, at 12:00, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>> Good questions. Like  Vejas, I hesitate to get the BrailleNote touch due
>> to the braille on the touch screen.
>>
>> So about the neobraille. Does this device have ports for USB drives or
>> just sd cards? How many cells is the display and does it havea perkins
>> style keyboard with real keys?
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 2:22 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Irie NeoNote Notetaker
>>
>> Hi Bobbi,
>> I, too, am considering purchasing this note taker  down the line. I have a
>> braillenote Apex now, so any note taker with a more modern twist is
>> better, LOL.
>> I like the quality of the Braille, the ability to open up all kinds of
>> files and have access to You-Tube, and the ability to purchase apps.
>> Although I am a Braillenote user, I like this better than the Touch
>> because I don't like the feel of writing on a touch screen.
>> This all being said, I'm still debating between the Neo and the Braille
>> Sense. I am thinking the Neo would be better because it has the most
>> modern hardware and software. My only concern about the Neo is that it is
>> so new that I don't really have any knowledge about any possible bugs, and
>> how serious they might be.
>> Also to add, I think the Sd Card slot fits a card of 128 GB, which is
>> great because my current card is now 64 GB.
>> Vejas
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 25, 2016, at 23:17, Bobbi Pompey via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello NABS fam,
>>>
>>> I am in the process of deciding which braille notetaker I would like. At
>>> National Convention I saw the NeoNote by Irie and it really grabbed my
>>> interest for a variety of reasons.
>>>
>>> For those of you who know of this device, can you please let me know your
>>> opinions of it and why.
>>>
>>> Your help is greatly appreciated! Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey
>>> (336) 988-6375
>>> http://bobbialpompey.webs.com
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 27 13:14:36 2016
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 09:14:36 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions About the Disabilities Office and
 Readers
Message-ID: <5811fdd5.9305810a.9c493.931e@mx.google.com>

Hi Elizabeth thanks for your message.  Your Disability office 
does have the right to contact your professor to discuss the 
structure of the class.  Before transfering to a four-year 
university I was taking classes at my community college.  When I 
decided to take an oceanography class the person in charge of 
Disability Support Services contacted my professort to discuss 
the structure of their class.


From alanier at learningally.org  Thu Oct 27 14:34:02 2016
From: alanier at learningally.org (Abigail Lanier)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 10:34:02 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Careers in the Arts Event with Learning Ally in NYC
Message-ID: <47ED0212-28D4-439D-947B-A407DC81D831@learningally.org>

Hi students,

If you are in the Greater New York City area and are interested in a career in the arts, please join us next week Friday. Details are below. Registration is strongly encouraged. 

Careers in the Arts for Students with Visual Impairments

Date: Friday, November 4, 2016
Time: 6:00 P.M ET
Location: Learning Ally New York Studio
545 Fifth Avenue, Suite 1005 (Note: Entrance to building on 45th Street)
New York, New York 10017
Do your blind or visually impaired students love to sculpt, work with their hands, sing, dance, tell stories, create poems or even make visual art?  Have you told them some variation of, “That’s really exciting, but what’s your career goal?”  But you know that the arts is their career dream.
 
The arts, like any field for people with disabilities, can be a challenging but deeply satisfying career choice.  On Friday evening, November 4, 2016, Learning Ally's College Success Program and several CSP mentors will host their first “Careers in the Arts” event, and we want you and your students to participate!  Come learn from large group and individual candid discussions with artists both visually impaired and sighted who will share their experience and offer insights to careers for your students. Encourage your students to bring their questions! This event is appropriate for students ages 16 to 22.Register for the event here <https://www.learningally.org/Parents/Community/Events/itemId/1596>.



Learning Ally's College Success Program is for students who are blind or visually impaired; for more information about the College Success Program visit learningally.org/collegesuccess <http://www.learningally.org/CollegeSuccess>



Abigail Lanier
College Success Program Mentor Coordinator & Manhattan Studio Production Assistant

Learning Ally™
Together It’s Possible
learning ally.org/collegesuccess
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O: 212-845-7007
C: 910-520-4337



From ahc43 at drexel.edu  Fri Oct 28 00:13:02 2016
From: ahc43 at drexel.edu (Alex Cohen)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 20:13:02 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Online Accessibility & Negative Word of Mouth Effect Study
Message-ID: <000f01d230b0$0ccc2b10$26648130$@drexel.edu>

Hello Everyone,

Thank you to everyone who has already participated. Once again, the goal of
this research is to show retailers that online accessibility issues will not
only negatively impact their business by the blind/low vision community, but
also from the sighted social network of blind/low vision people who will
change their purchase behavior after learning about these accessibility
issues. Again, I am in need of blind/low vision and sighted people to take
part in a brief survey (5 minutes). Blind/low vision participants answer
questions about online accessibility issues, and sighted participants answer
questions about their reactions to negative word of mouth regarding online
accessibility issues affecting the blind/low vision community. Please feel
free to share this link with both blind/low vision and sighted people in
your social networks on your own pages, or with anyone you feel would like
to participate. As a "thank you" participants may select their choice of
blindness organizations (including the NFB) to receive a $2.00 donation for
each fully completed survey. Thanks, and please contact me if you have any
questions. Here is the link to the survey.
<https://drexel.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_abBLThH3nfhmyxv>
https://drexel.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_abBLThH3nfhmyxv

 

Thank You!
 
Alex H. Cohen
PhD Candidate
Marketing Department
LeBow College of Business
Drexel University
3220 Market St.
Philadelphia, PA 19104
Cell:  <tel:215.292.1455> 215.292.1455

 


From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Fri Oct 28 23:02:55 2016
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha Desai)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 19:02:55 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice needed for summer as a college student
Message-ID: <CABXceRj6_vAARKCfMVrqa4fPpXOGexHYdu=MYKo8WGfr9Rie2Q@mail.gmail.com>

Dear NABS,

My name is Shikha Desai, and my major is Social Work at Georgia State
University.  I was wondering how you guys keep your self busy during
the summer time.  I am not taking summer classes for the first time
and I am looking for an internship this summer.  I applied to an
internship in Maryland called WINS FAMILY.  I am also going to apply
to be a counselor at the training centers.  What should I do because I
have never had a job before.  I also need some help on how to stand
out for being a counselor at the training centers because I applied
before but I did not get it.
Any help is allowed.

Thanks,
Shikha


From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Sun Oct 30 01:12:48 2016
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha Desai)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 21:12:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice needed for summer as a college student
Message-ID: <0553D33D-750E-4331-9952-686FDADCE544@gmail.com>

Dear NABS,

My name is Shikha Desai, and my major is Social Work at Georgia State
University.  I was wondering how you guys keep your self busy during
the summer time.  I am not taking summer classes for the first time
and I am looking for an internship this summer.  I applied to an
internship in Maryland called WINS FAMILY.  I am also going to apply
to be a counselor at the training centers.  What should I do because I
have never had a job before.  I also need some help on how to stand
out for being a counselor at the training centers because I applied
before but I did not get it.
Any help is allowed.

Thanks,
Shikha


From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Oct 30 01:22:42 2016
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 20:22:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Irie NeoNote Notetaker
In-Reply-To: <95B20DBA-D4DB-45B3-B095-641870BAB783@gmail.com>
References: <AE72EF8E-6F42-457C-8F45-F5FE1C21CA5E@yahoo.com>
	<95B20DBA-D4DB-45B3-B095-641870BAB783@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000069468564@mailfront1.g2host.com>

You don't have to use Touch braille on the BrailleNote Touch, there 
is a Braille keyboard too. The problem with the NeoBraille is that it 
is new and not widely distributed in this country.  You should look 
at braille Sense too.

Dave

At 01:22 PM 10/26/2016, you wrote:
>Hi Bobbi,
>I, too, am considering purchasing this note taker  down the line. I 
>have a braillenote Apex now, so any note taker with a more modern 
>twist is better, LOL.
>I like the quality of the Braille, the ability to open up all kinds 
>of files and have access to You-Tube, and the ability to purchase 
>apps. Although I am a Braillenote user, I like this better than the 
>Touch because I don't like the feel of writing on a touch screen.
>This all being said, I'm still debating between the Neo and the 
>Braille Sense. I am thinking the Neo would be better because it has 
>the most modern hardware and software. My only concern about the Neo 
>is that it is so new that I don't really have any knowledge about 
>any possible bugs, and how serious they might be.
>Also to add, I think the Sd Card slot fits a card of 128 GB, which 
>is great because my current card is now 64 GB.
>Vejas
>
>
> > On Oct 25, 2016, at 23:17, Bobbi Pompey via NABS-L 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hello NABS fam,
> >
> > I am in the process of deciding which braille notetaker I would 
> like. At National Convention I saw the NeoNote by Irie and it 
> really grabbed my interest for a variety of reasons.
> >
> > For those of you who know of this device, can you please let me 
> know your opinions of it and why.
> >
> > Your help is greatly appreciated! Thanks!
> >
> >
> > Bobbi A. L. Pompey



From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Sun Oct 30 02:41:44 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 22:41:44 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Irie NeoNote Notetaker
In-Reply-To: <auto-000069468564@mailfront1.g2host.com>
References: <AE72EF8E-6F42-457C-8F45-F5FE1C21CA5E@yahoo.com>
	<95B20DBA-D4DB-45B3-B095-641870BAB783@gmail.com>
	<auto-000069468564@mailfront1.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <3DCB5E5F-2ED3-4BF2-8223-F09C4C223E58@houghton.edu>

That is why I like the Braille note touch. You can choose to use the keyboard or the touch screen

> On Oct 29, 2016, at 21:22, David Andrews via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> You don't have to use Touch braille on the BrailleNote Touch, there is a Braille keyboard too. The problem with the NeoBraille is that it is new and not widely distributed in this country.  You should look at braille Sense too.
> 
> Dave
> 
> At 01:22 PM 10/26/2016, you wrote:
>> Hi Bobbi,
>> I, too, am considering purchasing this note taker  down the line. I have a braillenote Apex now, so any note taker with a more modern twist is better, LOL.
>> I like the quality of the Braille, the ability to open up all kinds of files and have access to You-Tube, and the ability to purchase apps. Although I am a Braillenote user, I like this better than the Touch because I don't like the feel of writing on a touch screen.
>> This all being said, I'm still debating between the Neo and the Braille Sense. I am thinking the Neo would be better because it has the most modern hardware and software. My only concern about the Neo is that it is so new that I don't really have any knowledge about any possible bugs, and how serious they might be.
>> Also to add, I think the Sd Card slot fits a card of 128 GB, which is great because my current card is now 64 GB.
>> Vejas
>> 
>> 
>> > On Oct 25, 2016, at 23:17, Bobbi Pompey via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello NABS fam,
>> >
>> > I am in the process of deciding which braille notetaker I would like. At National Convention I saw the NeoNote by Irie and it really grabbed my interest for a variety of reasons.
>> >
>> > For those of you who know of this device, can you please let me know your opinions of it and why.
>> >
>> > Your help is greatly appreciated! Thanks!
>> >
>> >
>> > Bobbi A. L. Pompey
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From louvins at gmail.com  Sun Oct 30 02:41:59 2016
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 21:41:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Irie NeoNote Notetaker
In-Reply-To: <auto-000069468564@mailfront1.g2host.com>
References: <AE72EF8E-6F42-457C-8F45-F5FE1C21CA5E@yahoo.com>
	<95B20DBA-D4DB-45B3-B095-641870BAB783@gmail.com>
	<auto-000069468564@mailfront1.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <CADUoy9vRnPxHzahur8x8RiEtKT7GE3AkFYtRautWPagKU9-XyA@mail.gmail.com>

The problem with the braille-sense is that it is still using windows
C-E which is a very old and outdated platform.

On 10/29/16, David Andrews via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> You don't have to use Touch braille on the BrailleNote Touch, there
> is a Braille keyboard too. The problem with the NeoBraille is that it
> is new and not widely distributed in this country.  You should look
> at braille Sense too.
>
> Dave
>
> At 01:22 PM 10/26/2016, you wrote:
>>Hi Bobbi,
>>I, too, am considering purchasing this note taker  down the line. I
>>have a braillenote Apex now, so any note taker with a more modern
>>twist is better, LOL.
>>I like the quality of the Braille, the ability to open up all kinds
>>of files and have access to You-Tube, and the ability to purchase
>>apps. Although I am a Braillenote user, I like this better than the
>>Touch because I don't like the feel of writing on a touch screen.
>>This all being said, I'm still debating between the Neo and the
>>Braille Sense. I am thinking the Neo would be better because it has
>>the most modern hardware and software. My only concern about the Neo
>>is that it is so new that I don't really have any knowledge about
>>any possible bugs, and how serious they might be.
>>Also to add, I think the Sd Card slot fits a card of 128 GB, which
>>is great because my current card is now 64 GB.
>>Vejas
>>
>>
>> > On Oct 25, 2016, at 23:17, Bobbi Pompey via NABS-L
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello NABS fam,
>> >
>> > I am in the process of deciding which braille notetaker I would
>> like. At National Convention I saw the NeoNote by Irie and it
>> really grabbed my interest for a variety of reasons.
>> >
>> > For those of you who know of this device, can you please let me
>> know your opinions of it and why.
>> >
>> > Your help is greatly appreciated! Thanks!
>> >
>> >
>> > Bobbi A. L. Pompey
>
>
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From gallagher123123 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 30 03:21:00 2016
From: gallagher123123 at gmail.com (Cullen)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 23:21:00 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Irie NeoNote Notetaker
In-Reply-To: <CADUoy9vRnPxHzahur8x8RiEtKT7GE3AkFYtRautWPagKU9-XyA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AE72EF8E-6F42-457C-8F45-F5FE1C21CA5E@yahoo.com>
	<95B20DBA-D4DB-45B3-B095-641870BAB783@gmail.com>
	<auto-000069468564@mailfront1.g2host.com>
	<CADUoy9vRnPxHzahur8x8RiEtKT7GE3AkFYtRautWPagKU9-XyA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B2B8C2B4-8FD0-433E-AA4A-8C8E43AB3CFE@gmail.com>

Hi,
At the moment, I would recommend waiting on the Braillenote Touch. I am about to send it back to humanware for a second repair after just a little over a month of use. There is a major problem with the internal memory, sometimes it just goes bad out of nowhere. On Tuesday evening, I was working on English homework, and suddenly the device stopped responding. I had to force shutdown the unit, and then it would not boot. I lost a lot of homework because of it. Don’t get me wrong, the touch is an amazing device, but the stability really concerns me. I already sent it back for a similar issue last month. This is something they really need to take a good look at, and I told them this. As much as I love the device, I am almost afraid to use it for school related tasks again. 
That is my recent experience with the device.
Cullen
> On Oct 29, 2016, at 10:41 PM, Joshua Hendrickson via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> The problem with the braille-sense is that it is still using windows
> C-E which is a very old and outdated platform.
> 
> On 10/29/16, David Andrews via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> You don't have to use Touch braille on the BrailleNote Touch, there
>> is a Braille keyboard too. The problem with the NeoBraille is that it
>> is new and not widely distributed in this country.  You should look
>> at braille Sense too.
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> At 01:22 PM 10/26/2016, you wrote:
>>> Hi Bobbi,
>>> I, too, am considering purchasing this note taker  down the line. I
>>> have a braillenote Apex now, so any note taker with a more modern
>>> twist is better, LOL.
>>> I like the quality of the Braille, the ability to open up all kinds
>>> of files and have access to You-Tube, and the ability to purchase
>>> apps. Although I am a Braillenote user, I like this better than the
>>> Touch because I don't like the feel of writing on a touch screen.
>>> This all being said, I'm still debating between the Neo and the
>>> Braille Sense. I am thinking the Neo would be better because it has
>>> the most modern hardware and software. My only concern about the Neo
>>> is that it is so new that I don't really have any knowledge about
>>> any possible bugs, and how serious they might be.
>>> Also to add, I think the Sd Card slot fits a card of 128 GB, which
>>> is great because my current card is now 64 GB.
>>> Vejas
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 25, 2016, at 23:17, Bobbi Pompey via NABS-L
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello NABS fam,
>>>> 
>>>> I am in the process of deciding which braille notetaker I would
>>> like. At National Convention I saw the NeoNote by Irie and it
>>> really grabbed my interest for a variety of reasons.
>>>> 
>>>> For those of you who know of this device, can you please let me
>>> know your opinions of it and why.
>>>> 
>>>> Your help is greatly appreciated! Thanks!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> NABS-L:
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>> 
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From juanitaherrera1991 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 30 05:44:56 2016
From: juanitaherrera1991 at gmail.com (Juanita Herrera)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 22:44:56 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Irie NeoNote Notetaker
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Hello:
I have been a BrailleNote user for 16 years now. I currently am still using a BrailleNote Apex because I am not too thrilled with the Braille Touch and the changes it has undergone. The company that I currently work for is a vendor of the NeoBraille, and I have been working very closely with IRIE,  the developers of the machine, so I am quite familiar with the features that the NeoBraille will have. Having been that I have been a BrailleNote user for 16 years and I have always found the BrailleNote to be the best notetaker around, I will definitely be making the switch to the NeyoBraille once it is officially released. At this point in time, the NeoBraille is the Braille notetaker that best fits my needs and closely resembles the BrailleNote Apex. Before making this decision, I tested many notetaker devices and braille displays and finally settled for the NeoBraille. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me off list and we can further discuss this device.

Juanita Herrera

> On Oct 29, 2016, at 6:22 PM, David Andrews via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> You don't have to use Touch braille on the BrailleNote Touch, there is a Braille keyboard too. The problem with the NeoBraille is that it is new and not widely distributed in this country.  You should look at braille Sense too.
> 
> Dave
> 
> At 01:22 PM 10/26/2016, you wrote:
>> Hi Bobbi,
>> I, too, am considering purchasing this note taker  down the line. I have a braillenote Apex now, so any note taker with a more modern twist is better, LOL.
>> I like the quality of the Braille, the ability to open up all kinds of files and have access to You-Tube, and the ability to purchase apps. Although I am a Braillenote user, I like this better than the Touch because I don't like the feel of writing on a touch screen.
>> This all being said, I'm still debating between the Neo and the Braille Sense. I am thinking the Neo would be better because it has the most modern hardware and software. My only concern about the Neo is that it is so new that I don't really have any knowledge about any possible bugs, and how serious they might be.
>> Also to add, I think the Sd Card slot fits a card of 128 GB, which is great because my current card is now 64 GB.
>> Vejas
>> 
>> 
>> > On Oct 25, 2016, at 23:17, Bobbi Pompey via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello NABS fam,
>> >
>> > I am in the process of deciding which braille notetaker I would like. At National Convention I saw the NeoNote by Irie and it really grabbed my interest for a variety of reasons.
>> >
>> > For those of you who know of this device, can you please let me know your opinions of it and why.
>> >
>> > Your help is greatly appreciated! Thanks!
>> >
>> >
>> > Bobbi A. L. Pompey
> 
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Sun Oct 30 06:17:19 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 23:17:19 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Office Hours
Message-ID: <537A1D63-339B-499A-B361-2DE11C167D93@gmail.com>

Hi,
I was just wondering if these who meet with your professors during their office hours usually let their professors know ahead of time that you are coming, or do you just show up?
So far I have been arranging all my meetings ahead of time with the teacher by appointment during the office hours.
Thanks,
Vejas   

From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Sun Oct 30 06:38:44 2016
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 02:38:44 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Office Hours
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References: <537A1D63-339B-499A-B361-2DE11C167D93@gmail.com>
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Contact them before showing up because some times they might not be in there office. 

Shikha. 

> On Oct 30, 2016, at 2:17 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I was just wondering if these who meet with your professors during their office hours usually let their professors know ahead of time that you are coming, or do you just show up?
> So far I have been arranging all my meetings ahead of time with the teacher by appointment during the office hours.
> Thanks,
> Vejas   
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Sun Oct 30 07:31:52 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 00:31:52 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Office Hours
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Evening, Vejas,

No, you don't need to call ahead. .  11:17 PM 10/29/2016, you wrote:
>Hi,
>I was just wondering if these who meet with your professors during 
>their office hours usually let their professors know ahead of time 
>that you are coming, or do you just show up?
>So far I have been arranging all my meetings ahead of time with the 
>teacher by appointment during the office hours.
>Thanks,
>Vejas
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 30 12:11:39 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 08:11:39 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Office Hours
Message-ID: <5815e39e.05dce90a.feab8.e0d3@mx.google.com>

You can just show up if they have scheduled office hours, but 
it's good practice to let them know ahead of time and make an 
appointment.  For one thing, this lets the professor tell you to 
come at a different time if they already have an appointment so
you don't have to sit around outside their office waiting if 
they're meeting with someone else.  Depending on what you want to 
talk to them about, letting them know you're coming ahead of time 
also lets them find your paper or bring up your transcript or 
whatever before you get there.
 ----- Original Message -----
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To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 23:17:19 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Office Hours

Hi,
I was just wondering if these who meet with your professors 
during their office hours usually let their professors know ahead 
of time that you are coming, or do you just show up?
So far I have been arranging all my meetings ahead of time with 
the teacher by appointment during the office hours.
Thanks,
Vejas
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From emitchell927 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 30 12:43:31 2016
From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 08:43:31 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Office Hours
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Hi,
I email them ahead of time and if they request a reminder I send them one
Emma

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 30, 2016, at 2:17 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I was just wondering if these who meet with your professors during their office hours usually let their professors know ahead of time that you are coming, or do you just show up?
> So far I have been arranging all my meetings ahead of time with the teacher by appointment during the office hours.
> Thanks,
> Vejas   
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From kestomberg at coe.edu  Sun Oct 30 13:10:36 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 08:10:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Office Hours
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	<E247E4B5-51C1-4E0C-ABDB-470AB1E8A596@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <866D0FDA-4177-4D32-8C8A-C4D269600586@coe.edu>

Technically, you are not required to schedule ahead of time if they already have scheduled office hours. However as others have said, it is really a good idea to do so. It gives them a chance to request another time if another student is already going to  be in their office at that time. Also, it allows them to bring up your past exams or whatever you're going to need as others have also sad. Finally, it makes you look like a good student, which could be very helpful to you in the future. Plus, it's just very considerate. Especially if you've already been scheduling ahead of time.

Kennedy Stomberg 
(218)295-2391 

> On Oct 30, 2016, at 7:43 AM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I email them ahead of time and if they request a reminder I send them one
> Emma
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 30, 2016, at 2:17 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I was just wondering if these who meet with your professors during their office hours usually let their professors know ahead of time that you are coming, or do you just show up?
>> So far I have been arranging all my meetings ahead of time with the teacher by appointment during the office hours.
>> Thanks,
>> Vejas   
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 30 13:14:50 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 09:14:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Office Hours
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	<866D0FDA-4177-4D32-8C8A-C4D269600586@coe.edu>
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You definitely should schedule ahead; even if they don't have another
student, they might be busy.
 Justin

-----Original Message-----
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STOMBERG via NABS-L
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 9:11 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: KENNEDY STOMBERG <kestomberg at coe.edu>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Office Hours

Technically, you are not required to schedule ahead of time if they already
have scheduled office hours. However as others have said, it is really a
good idea to do so. It gives them a chance to request another time if
another student is already going to  be in their office at that time. Also,
it allows them to bring up your past exams or whatever you're going to need
as others have also sad. Finally, it makes you look like a good student,
which could be very helpful to you in the future. Plus, it's just very
considerate. Especially if you've already been scheduling ahead of time.

Kennedy Stomberg
(218)295-2391 

> On Oct 30, 2016, at 7:43 AM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I email them ahead of time and if they request a reminder I send them 
> one Emma
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 30, 2016, at 2:17 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I was just wondering if these who meet with your professors during their
office hours usually let their professors know ahead of time that you are
coming, or do you just show up?
>> So far I have been arranging all my meetings ahead of time with the
teacher by appointment during the office hours.
>> Thanks,
>> Vejas   
>> _______________________________________________
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From zdreicer at gmail.com  Sun Oct 30 16:39:49 2016
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 11:39:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice needed for summer as a college student
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Good morning from Chicago land, I would start out by getting job experience at your school that way  you have something to put on a resume if you want to be hired by the training center.

Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver

> On Oct 29, 2016, at 20:12, Shikha Desai via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear NABS,
> 
> My name is Shikha Desai, and my major is Social Work at Georgia State
> University.  I was wondering how you guys keep your self busy during
> the summer time.  I am not taking summer classes for the first time
> and I am looking for an internship this summer.  I applied to an
> internship in Maryland called WINS FAMILY.  I am also going to apply
> to be a counselor at the training centers.  What should I do because I
> have never had a job before.  I also need some help on how to stand
> out for being a counselor at the training centers because I applied
> before but I did not get it.
> Any help is allowed.
> 
> Thanks,
> Shikha
> 
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From toriclark732 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 30 18:35:44 2016
From: toriclark732 at yahoo.com (Tori Clark)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 13:35:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice needed for summer as a college student
In-Reply-To: <483384FA-6E5E-4D6F-BABD-5D213F6B8DA2@gmail.com>
References: <0553D33D-750E-4331-9952-686FDADCE544@gmail.com>
	<483384FA-6E5E-4D6F-BABD-5D213F6B8DA2@gmail.com>
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Well Illinois has a program called BELL. It stands for Braille Enrichment Literacy Learning. It's to help young children learn Braille and other blind techniques. They have two centers. One is for two weeks and the other is for one. Let me know if you'd like information. My number is in the signature. 

Tori.

Black Hawk Chapter President National Federation of the Blind of Illinois. 
Younique presenter
309-373-2830

> On Oct 30, 2016, at 11:39 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good morning from Chicago land, I would start out by getting job experience at your school that way  you have something to put on a resume if you want to be hired by the training center.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
> 
>> On Oct 29, 2016, at 20:12, Shikha Desai via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear NABS,
>> 
>> My name is Shikha Desai, and my major is Social Work at Georgia State
>> University.  I was wondering how you guys keep your self busy during
>> the summer time.  I am not taking summer classes for the first time
>> and I am looking for an internship this summer.  I applied to an
>> internship in Maryland called WINS FAMILY.  I am also going to apply
>> to be a counselor at the training centers.  What should I do because I
>> have never had a job before.  I also need some help on how to stand
>> out for being a counselor at the training centers because I applied
>> before but I did not get it.
>> Any help is allowed.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Shikha
>> 
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From robin-melvin at comcast.net  Sun Oct 30 18:43:49 2016
From: robin-melvin at comcast.net (Robin)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 11:43:49 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice needed for summer as a college student
In-Reply-To: <A9424111-DFAA-4214-BC61-2CD6E3413D3F@yahoo.com>
References: <0553D33D-750E-4331-9952-686FDADCE544@gmail.com>
	<483384FA-6E5E-4D6F-BABD-5D213F6B8DA2@gmail.com>
	<A9424111-DFAA-4214-BC61-2CD6E3413D3F@yahoo.com>
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I'm interested, Can you Please Pass Along TheInFo? I hope there isn't 
a Problem that I'm asking ONList cause you Posted this OnList
JustSayin'
At 11:35 AM 10/30/2016, you wrote:
>Well Illinois has a program called BELL. It stands for Braille 
>Enrichment Literacy Learning. It's to help young children learn 
>Braille and other blind techniques. They have two centers. One is 
>for two weeks and the other is for one. Let me know if you'd like 
>information. My number is in the signature.
>
>Tori.
>
>Black Hawk Chapter President National Federation of the Blind of Illinois.
>Younique presenter
>309-373-2830
>
> > On Oct 30, 2016, at 11:39 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via 
> NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Good morning from Chicago land, I would start out by getting job 
> experience at your school that way  you have something to put on a 
> resume if you want to be hired by the training center.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
> >
> >> On Oct 29, 2016, at 20:12, Shikha Desai via NABS-L 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear NABS,
> >>
> >> My name is Shikha Desai, and my major is Social Work at Georgia State
> >> University.  I was wondering how you guys keep your self busy during
> >> the summer time.  I am not taking summer classes for the first time
> >> and I am looking for an internship this summer.  I applied to an
> >> internship in Maryland called WINS FAMILY.  I am also going to apply
> >> to be a counselor at the training centers.  What should I do because I
> >> have never had a job before.  I also need some help on how to stand
> >> out for being a counselor at the training centers because I applied
> >> before but I did not get it.
> >> Any help is allowed.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Shikha
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> NABS-L mailing list
> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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From kestomberg at coe.edu  Sun Oct 30 18:47:33 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 13:47:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice needed for summer as a college student
In-Reply-To: <A9424111-DFAA-4214-BC61-2CD6E3413D3F@yahoo.com>
References: <0553D33D-750E-4331-9952-686FDADCE544@gmail.com>
	<483384FA-6E5E-4D6F-BABD-5D213F6B8DA2@gmail.com>
	<A9424111-DFAA-4214-BC61-2CD6E3413D3F@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7FDD066D-37B4-4575-BB7B-9113B1F638B2@coe.edu>

Actually, most states have a Bell program. You might check to see if there's one in your state. :) 

Kennedy Stomberg 
(218)295-2391 

> On Oct 30, 2016, at 1:35 PM, Tori Clark via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Well Illinois has a program called BELL. It stands for Braille Enrichment Literacy Learning. It's to help young children learn Braille and other blind techniques. They have two centers. One is for two weeks and the other is for one. Let me know if you'd like information. My number is in the signature. 
> 
> Tori.
> 
> Black Hawk Chapter President National Federation of the Blind of Illinois. 
> Younique presenter
> 309-373-2830
> 
>> On Oct 30, 2016, at 11:39 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning from Chicago land, I would start out by getting job experience at your school that way  you have something to put on a resume if you want to be hired by the training center.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
>> 
>>> On Oct 29, 2016, at 20:12, Shikha Desai via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear NABS,
>>> 
>>> My name is Shikha Desai, and my major is Social Work at Georgia State
>>> University.  I was wondering how you guys keep your self busy during
>>> the summer time.  I am not taking summer classes for the first time
>>> and I am looking for an internship this summer.  I applied to an
>>> internship in Maryland called WINS FAMILY.  I am also going to apply
>>> to be a counselor at the training centers.  What should I do because I
>>> have never had a job before.  I also need some help on how to stand
>>> out for being a counselor at the training centers because I applied
>>> before but I did not get it.
>>> Any help is allowed.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Shikha
>>> 
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 30 20:04:20 2016
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 16:04:20 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice needed for summer as a college student
Message-ID: <58165264.8c996b0a.a8842.2cdd@mx.google.com>

Hi Shikha thanks for your message.  Try to get your Fall 
textbooks before the end of the Summer semester so that you can 
start reading before Fall classes begin.  Internships are a great 
way to kill time during the Summer.


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 30 20:04:24 2016
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 16:04:24 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Office Hours
Message-ID: <58165267.8c996b0a.a8842.2ce2@mx.google.com>

Last Spring when I met with my Corporate Social Responsibility 
professor I let her know ahead of time that I was coming.


From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Sun Oct 30 20:17:07 2016
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 16:17:07 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice needed for summer as a college student
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	<483384FA-6E5E-4D6F-BABD-5D213F6B8DA2@gmail.com>
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Sure that will help

Shikha. 

> On Oct 30, 2016, at 2:35 PM, Tori Clark via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Well Illinois has a program called BELL. It stands for Braille Enrichment Literacy Learning. It's to help young children learn Braille and other blind techniques. They have two centers. One is for two weeks and the other is for one. Let me know if you'd like information. My number is in the signature. 
> 
> Tori.
> 
> Black Hawk Chapter President National Federation of the Blind of Illinois. 
> Younique presenter
> 309-373-2830
> 
>> On Oct 30, 2016, at 11:39 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning from Chicago land, I would start out by getting job experience at your school that way  you have something to put on a resume if you want to be hired by the training center.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
>> 
>>> On Oct 29, 2016, at 20:12, Shikha Desai via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear NABS,
>>> 
>>> My name is Shikha Desai, and my major is Social Work at Georgia State
>>> University.  I was wondering how you guys keep your self busy during
>>> the summer time.  I am not taking summer classes for the first time
>>> and I am looking for an internship this summer.  I applied to an
>>> internship in Maryland called WINS FAMILY.  I am also going to apply
>>> to be a counselor at the training centers.  What should I do because I
>>> have never had a job before.  I also need some help on how to stand
>>> out for being a counselor at the training centers because I applied
>>> before but I did not get it.
>>> Any help is allowed.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Shikha
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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From lucysirianni at gmail.com  Sun Oct 30 21:50:19 2016
From: lucysirianni at gmail.com (Lucy Sirianni)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 14:50:19 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Office Hours
Message-ID: <58166b4b.8143620a.50ee8.582e@mx.google.com>

Hi Vejas and all,

I teach college-level literature courses and hold multiple office 
hours sessions per week.  While I am happy to schedule 
appointments with students who have time constraints, I generally 
prefer that those students who are able to do so simply show up.  
I've already committed to being present and available to speak 
with students during my scheduled office hours, so having 
additional in-person or email conversations about this isn't a 
great use of my time, though of course if a student's 
availability is limited, it does make sense for that student to 
reserve time with me in advance.  I don't make assumptions about 
students' conscientiousness or dedication to the course based on 
how they approach this.  All that said, why not just ask your 
professors about their specific preferences?

Hope this helps!

Lucy
 ----- Original Message -----
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To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 23:17:19 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Office Hours

Hi,
I was just wondering if these who meet with your professors 
during their office hours usually let their professors know ahead 
of time that you are coming, or do you just show up?
So far I have been arranging all my meetings ahead of time with 
the teacher by appointment during the office hours.
Thanks,
Vejas
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From awildheir at gmail.com  Sun Oct 30 23:40:49 2016
From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 19:40:49 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Citations on papers and accommodations in law school
Message-ID: <C5A96A02-A5CE-4052-82A9-50FC17EB1AA4@gmail.com>

Hello group,  


I have a Judicial Opinion to write for my legal methods class.  How do you get the citations system for the bluebook memorized?  How much assistance can I request from my school in learning this?  I feel as if I am denied any time I make a request for assistance.  

My second question is, when considering accommodations in law school, what constitutes a fundamental alteration to the program?  I feel like if I know the definition of this aspect of the ADA and  rather Rehabilitation Act, I can better push back when they refuse an appropriate request. 

Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.  
Aimee Sent from my iPhone

From jameyanne at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 00:00:34 2016
From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 20:00:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Citations on papers and accommodations in law school
In-Reply-To: <C5A96A02-A5CE-4052-82A9-50FC17EB1AA4@gmail.com>
References: <C5A96A02-A5CE-4052-82A9-50FC17EB1AA4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <016001d23309$cde2c9c0$69a85d40$@gmail.com>

I'm still learning the bluebook, but I'd say you get it memorized by
practicing. I pretty naturally have a good sense of how to cite cases at
this point, but our TA told us we'll always need to look up the appropriate
reporters and abbreviations. I recommend the online version of the Bluebook
because it is so much easier to navigate.
HTH.
Jameyanne

-----Original Message-----
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Cc: Aimee Harwood <awildheir at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Citations on papers and accommodations in law school

Hello group,  


I have a Judicial Opinion to write for my legal methods class.  How do you
get the citations system for the bluebook memorized?  How much assistance
can I request from my school in learning this?  I feel as if I am denied any
time I make a request for assistance.  

My second question is, when considering accommodations in law school, what
constitutes a fundamental alteration to the program?  I feel like if I know
the definition of this aspect of the ADA and  rather Rehabilitation Act, I
can better push back when they refuse an appropriate request. 

Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.  
Aimee Sent from my iPhone
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From awildheir at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 01:00:44 2016
From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 21:00:44 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Citations on papers and accommodations in law school
In-Reply-To: <016001d23309$cde2c9c0$69a85d40$@gmail.com>
References: <C5A96A02-A5CE-4052-82A9-50FC17EB1AA4@gmail.com>
	<016001d23309$cde2c9c0$69a85d40$@gmail.com>
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Hello Jameayanne,

Thank you for your suggestion.  I do have a subscription to the online version.  We have an extra book called Bluebook Uncovered that has exercises at the end of each chapter comprised of multiple choice questions and a few questions at the end where we have to write out the entire citation ourselves. These exercises take an extremely long time to complete.  And the multiple choice answers are so close sometimes that the screen reader doesn't identify any differences.

So, how do you learn them?

Aimee

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 30, 2016, at 8:00 PM, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I'm still learning the bluebook, but I'd say you get it memorized by
> practicing. I pretty naturally have a good sense of how to cite cases at
> this point, but our TA told us we'll always need to look up the appropriate
> reporters and abbreviations. I recommend the online version of the Bluebook
> because it is so much easier to navigate.
> HTH.
> Jameyanne
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee Harwood
> via NABS-L
> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 7:41 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Aimee Harwood <awildheir at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Citations on papers and accommodations in law school
> 
> Hello group,  
> 
> 
> I have a Judicial Opinion to write for my legal methods class.  How do you
> get the citations system for the bluebook memorized?  How much assistance
> can I request from my school in learning this?  I feel as if I am denied any
> time I make a request for assistance.  
> 
> My second question is, when considering accommodations in law school, what
> constitutes a fundamental alteration to the program?  I feel like if I know
> the definition of this aspect of the ADA and  rather Rehabilitation Act, I
> can better push back when they refuse an appropriate request. 
> 
> Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.  
> Aimee Sent from my iPhone
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From jameyanne at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 01:42:01 2016
From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 21:42:01 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Citations on papers and accommodations in law school
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	<2813CD25-055E-4970-AD0F-F6D7AC12197F@gmail.com>
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We had exercises like that, and the only way to figure out some of the wrong
answers for me was to go through letter by letter with JAWS or use a Braille
display. I used my Braille Edge as a display, because way more efficient,
and it worked well. I was able to spot the errors much more easily. I use
the online bluebook with a Braille display connected as well.
Jameyanne

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Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 9:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Citations on papers and accommodations in law school

Hello Jameayanne,

Thank you for your suggestion.  I do have a subscription to the online
version.  We have an extra book called Bluebook Uncovered that has exercises
at the end of each chapter comprised of multiple choice questions and a few
questions at the end where we have to write out the entire citation
ourselves. These exercises take an extremely long time to complete.  And the
multiple choice answers are so close sometimes that the screen reader
doesn't identify any differences.

So, how do you learn them?

Aimee

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 30, 2016, at 8:00 PM, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I'm still learning the bluebook, but I'd say you get it memorized by
> practicing. I pretty naturally have a good sense of how to cite cases at
> this point, but our TA told us we'll always need to look up the
appropriate
> reporters and abbreviations. I recommend the online version of the
Bluebook
> because it is so much easier to navigate.
> HTH.
> Jameyanne
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee Harwood
> via NABS-L
> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 7:41 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Aimee Harwood <awildheir at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Citations on papers and accommodations in law school
> 
> Hello group,  
> 
> 
> I have a Judicial Opinion to write for my legal methods class.  How do you
> get the citations system for the bluebook memorized?  How much assistance
> can I request from my school in learning this?  I feel as if I am denied
any
> time I make a request for assistance.  
> 
> My second question is, when considering accommodations in law school, what
> constitutes a fundamental alteration to the program?  I feel like if I
know
> the definition of this aspect of the ADA and  rather Rehabilitation Act, I
> can better push back when they refuse an appropriate request. 
> 
> Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.  
> Aimee Sent from my iPhone
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From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Mon Oct 31 01:45:58 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 21:45:58 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Citations on papers and accommodations in law school
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If I am remembering correctly, you can set the verbosity for JAWS to read all text formatting. That may be useful, particularly in exams where there may be a question asking you to select the right option.
I have done this for APA citations.
> On Oct 30, 2016, at 21:42, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> We had exercises like that, and the only way to figure out some of the wrong
> answers for me was to go through letter by letter with JAWS or use a Braille
> display. I used my Braille Edge as a display, because way more efficient,
> and it worked well. I was able to spot the errors much more easily. I use
> the online bluebook with a Braille display connected as well.
> Jameyanne
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of Aimee Harwood
> via NABS-L
> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 9:01 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>>
> Cc: Aimee Harwood <awildheir at gmail.com <mailto:awildheir at gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Citations on papers and accommodations in law school
> 
> Hello Jameayanne,
> 
> Thank you for your suggestion.  I do have a subscription to the online
> version.  We have an extra book called Bluebook Uncovered that has exercises
> at the end of each chapter comprised of multiple choice questions and a few
> questions at the end where we have to write out the entire citation
> ourselves. These exercises take an extremely long time to complete.  And the
> multiple choice answers are so close sometimes that the screen reader
> doesn't identify any differences.
> 
> So, how do you learn them?
> 
> Aimee
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 30, 2016, at 8:00 PM, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm still learning the bluebook, but I'd say you get it memorized by
>> practicing. I pretty naturally have a good sense of how to cite cases at
>> this point, but our TA told us we'll always need to look up the
> appropriate
>> reporters and abbreviations. I recommend the online version of the
> Bluebook
>> because it is so much easier to navigate.
>> HTH.
>> Jameyanne
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee Harwood
>> via NABS-L
>> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 7:41 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Aimee Harwood <awildheir at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Citations on papers and accommodations in law school
>> 
>> Hello group,  
>> 
>> 
>> I have a Judicial Opinion to write for my legal methods class.  How do you
>> get the citations system for the bluebook memorized?  How much assistance
>> can I request from my school in learning this?  I feel as if I am denied
> any
>> time I make a request for assistance.  
>> 
>> My second question is, when considering accommodations in law school, what
>> constitutes a fundamental alteration to the program?  I feel like if I
> know
>> the definition of this aspect of the ADA and  rather Rehabilitation Act, I
>> can better push back when they refuse an appropriate request. 
>> 
>> Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.  
>> Aimee Sent from my iPhone
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 03:40:17 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 23:40:17 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Citations on papers and accommodations in law school
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Yes, you can ask jaws to do that.
 Justin

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If I am remembering correctly, you can set the verbosity for JAWS to read
all text formatting. That may be useful, particularly in exams where there
may be a question asking you to select the right option.
I have done this for APA citations.
> On Oct 30, 2016, at 21:42, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> We had exercises like that, and the only way to figure out some of the 
> wrong answers for me was to go through letter by letter with JAWS or 
> use a Braille display. I used my Braille Edge as a display, because 
> way more efficient, and it worked well. I was able to spot the errors 
> much more easily. I use the online bluebook with a Braille display
connected as well.
> Jameyanne
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> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Citations on papers and accommodations in law 
> school
> 
> Hello Jameayanne,
> 
> Thank you for your suggestion.  I do have a subscription to the online 
> version.  We have an extra book called Bluebook Uncovered that has 
> exercises at the end of each chapter comprised of multiple choice 
> questions and a few questions at the end where we have to write out 
> the entire citation ourselves. These exercises take an extremely long 
> time to complete.  And the multiple choice answers are so close 
> sometimes that the screen reader doesn't identify any differences.
> 
> So, how do you learn them?
> 
> Aimee
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 30, 2016, at 8:00 PM, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm still learning the bluebook, but I'd say you get it memorized by 
>> practicing. I pretty naturally have a good sense of how to cite cases 
>> at this point, but our TA told us we'll always need to look up the
> appropriate
>> reporters and abbreviations. I recommend the online version of the
> Bluebook
>> because it is so much easier to navigate.
>> HTH.
>> Jameyanne
>> 
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>> Subject: [nabs-l] Citations on papers and accommodations in law 
>> school
>> 
>> Hello group,
>> 
>> 
>> I have a Judicial Opinion to write for my legal methods class.  How 
>> do you get the citations system for the bluebook memorized?  How much 
>> assistance can I request from my school in learning this?  I feel as 
>> if I am denied
> any
>> time I make a request for assistance.  
>> 
>> My second question is, when considering accommodations in law school, 
>> what constitutes a fundamental alteration to the program?  I feel 
>> like if I
> know
>> the definition of this aspect of the ADA and  rather Rehabilitation 
>> Act, I can better push back when they refuse an appropriate request.
>> 
>> Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.  
>> Aimee Sent from my iPhone
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Mon Oct 31 05:21:17 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 22:21:17 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Office Hours
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Evening, Vejas,

Don't you have to make sure there's room within the prof's schedule 
of meetings during his office hour? Oughtn't you communicate with 
prof to tell him you are coming?
Sorry, first time I saw this question, I didn't realize youwere 
asking about academics.
Car to  At 05:43 AM 10/30/2016, you wrote:
>Hi,
>I email them ahead of time and if they request a reminder I send them one
>Emma
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 30, 2016, at 2:17 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > I was just wondering if these who meet with your professors 
> during their office hours usually let their professors know ahead 
> of time that you are coming, or do you just show up?
> > So far I have been arranging all my meetings ahead of time with 
> the teacher by appointment during the office hours.
> > Thanks,
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From ligne14 at verizon.net  Mon Oct 31 12:55:23 2016
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 08:55:23 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Office Hours
Message-ID: <0OFW0017HX8S0F20@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi all,

Just curious if any of your colleges out there use this program 
called Moodle for any of your classes.  The reason I'm asking is 
because it actually makes it very easy to make appointments with 
the professor.  I'm taking six classes this semester, and, for 
two of them (European history and Italian) my professors use 
Moodle.  There's actually a link on there that says schedule an 
appointment with the professor during office hours.  For my 
history class in particular, my professor has actually made it 
mandatory for all the students to see him at least once, because 
we're doing a project for reviewing websites, and I guess he 
wants to make sure that we get good grades on them!
I'm not sure whether your college uses Moodle, but if it does, 
then scheduling appointments as well as through email should be 
relatively easy.  I also agree with what others have said here.

Hope this helps and enjoy your week,

Sami

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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Office Hours

Evening, Vejas,

Don't you have to make sure there's room within the prof's 
schedule
of meetings during his office hour? Oughtn't you communicate with
prof to tell him you are coming?
Sorry, first time I saw this question, I didn't realize youwere
asking about academics.
Car to  At 05:43 AM 10/30/2016, you wrote:
Hi,
I email them ahead of time and if they request a reminder I send 
them one
Emma

Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 30, 2016, at 2:17 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hi,
 I was just wondering if these who meet with your professors
 during their office hours usually let their professors know 
ahead
 of time that you are coming, or do you just show up?
 So far I have been arranging all my meetings ahead of time with
 the teacher by appointment during the office hours.
 Thanks,
 Vejas
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 13:20:38 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 09:20:38 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Office Hours
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Moodle is customized by each school, so that feature isn't 
necessarily there for everyone.  Last year when I was at a school 
that used Moodle we didn't have it.

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Date sent: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 08:55:23 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Office Hours

Hi all,

Just curious if any of your colleges out there use this program
called Moodle for any of your classes.  The reason I'm asking is
because it actually makes it very easy to make appointments with
the professor.  I'm taking six classes this semester, and, for
two of them (European history and Italian) my professors use
Moodle.  There's actually a link on there that says schedule an
appointment with the professor during office hours.  For my
history class in particular, my professor has actually made it
mandatory for all the students to see him at least once, because
we're doing a project for reviewing websites, and I guess he
wants to make sure that we get good grades on them!
I'm not sure whether your college uses Moodle, but if it does,
then scheduling appointments as well as through email should be
relatively easy.  I also agree with what others have said here.

Hope this helps and enjoy your week,

Sami

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Date sent: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 22:21:17 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Office Hours

Evening, Vejas,

Don't you have to make sure there's room within the prof's
schedule
of meetings during his office hour? Oughtn't you communicate with
prof to tell him you are coming?
Sorry, first time I saw this question, I didn't realize youwere
asking about academics.
Car to  At 05:43 AM 10/30/2016, you wrote:
Hi,
I email them ahead of time and if they request a reminder I send
them one
Emma

Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 30, 2016, at 2:17 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hi,
 I was just wondering if these who meet with your professors
 during their office hours usually let their professors know
ahead
 of time that you are coming, or do you just show up?
 So far I have been arranging all my meetings ahead of time with
 the teacher by appointment during the office hours.
 Thanks,
 Vejas
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From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Mon Oct 31 13:38:18 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 09:38:18 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Office Hours
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My school uses Moodle. We do not have that feature. It is customized by the school and professors sites are customizable too.

> On Oct 31, 2016, at 09:20, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Moodle is customized by each school, so that feature isn't necessarily there for everyone.  Last year when I was at a school that used Moodle we didn't have it.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sami Osborne via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 08:55:23 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Office Hours
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Just curious if any of your colleges out there use this program
> called Moodle for any of your classes.  The reason I'm asking is
> because it actually makes it very easy to make appointments with
> the professor.  I'm taking six classes this semester, and, for
> two of them (European history and Italian) my professors use
> Moodle.  There's actually a link on there that says schedule an
> appointment with the professor during office hours.  For my
> history class in particular, my professor has actually made it
> mandatory for all the students to see him at least once, because
> we're doing a project for reviewing websites, and I guess he
> wants to make sure that we get good grades on them!
> I'm not sure whether your college uses Moodle, but if it does,
> then scheduling appointments as well as through email should be
> relatively easy.  I also agree with what others have said here.
> 
> Hope this helps and enjoy your week,
> 
> Sami
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 22:21:17 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Office Hours
> 
> Evening, Vejas,
> 
> Don't you have to make sure there's room within the prof's
> schedule
> of meetings during his office hour? Oughtn't you communicate with
> prof to tell him you are coming?
> Sorry, first time I saw this question, I didn't realize youwere
> asking about academics.
> Car to  At 05:43 AM 10/30/2016, you wrote:
> Hi,
> I email them ahead of time and if they request a reminder I send
> them one
> Emma
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 30, 2016, at 2:17 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I was just wondering if these who meet with your professors
> during their office hours usually let their professors know
> ahead
> of time that you are coming, or do you just show up?
> So far I have been arranging all my meetings ahead of time with
> the teacher by appointment during the office hours.
> Thanks,
> Vejas
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From lizzym0827 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 13:45:05 2016
From: lizzym0827 at gmail.com (Lizzy)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 09:45:05 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Office Hours
Message-ID: <58174afe.e319370a.add06.830b@mx.google.com>

Hmm, I don't know if I necessarily agree with everyone else on 
this topic.  If I'm going to schedule an appointment, I would do 
it for a time that is not the professor's scheduled office hours.  
You might have to wait a little while, but if the professor is 
popular then they will keep all appointments fairly short (keep 
in mind that this includes your appointment as well).  If they're 
not very popular, they'll just be happy to see someone show up 
and in that case, you might want to send them an email letting 
them know that you'll be stopping by, especially if they like to 
talk.  But honestly, if you get there early to make sure you're 
first in line, then you're probably fine.  I always bring 
homework with me during scheduled office hours and I just show 
up, but also we have a culture of not really talking about grades 
at my college so they wouldn't need to pull up a transcript or 
anything before I get there.  I usually just have a question 
about a concept or discussion point from class, or maybe I just 
want to talk about something that both the professor and I are 
interested in.  Keep in mind that office hours are not just for 
talking about things from that class especially as you get into 
the upper class years because you may want them as a thesis or 
major advisor, and you really need to work on building 
relationships with professors who have professional experience in 
your areas of interest (or who know you on a personal level).
	They really should be in their offices during office hours, 
and if they are not they should send an email canceling 
them...  It's really not okay for them to just have office 
hours scheduled and have something else to do because they 
don't think anyone will come.  When this happens, I just 
send a very polite email saying that I stopped by and asking 
if we can schedule an appointment.  If they know that people 
are actually coming to their office, then they will make it 
a priority to be there, or let you know when they're not.

HTH,
Lizzy


From lizzym0827 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 14:03:12 2016
From: lizzym0827 at gmail.com (Lizzy)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 10:03:12 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice needed for summer as a college student
Message-ID: <58174f3c.8a02370a.66c69.0832@mx.google.com>

Hi Shikah,
The best advice I can probably give you is to volunteer so that 
you can get work experience.  In general, you need to have a 
solid resume and references before you can get a paid job because 
people don't really want to take chances with their money (and by 
that, I mean they want proof that you work hard outside the 
classroom).  On another note, if you are a student receiving work 
study, I think (I'm not 100% sure how this works college by 
college) that they have to provide opportunities for you to work 
on campus.  If this is something that you have not been taking 
advantage of so that you can have time for studies, I would 
definitely consider it for the spring semester.
	As far as working at a training center, more than anything 
you need to have good references, blindness skills and it 
helps if you're familiar with the Federation.  Have you 
gotten training at a center before? Perhaps, they can give 
you a reference.  Part of your job will be cooking dinner 
with students (even if you're not a home management 
instructor), and traveling with students on weekends (even 
if you're not a travel instructor).  You also must be very 
responsible and communicate well but that's pretty universal 
for work in general.  You also must be able to manage stress 
well because it's pretty much a nonstop job (you definitely 
get time off but if you're not from the area and don't have 
friends locally you might choose to stay near the apartments 
which can still feel like you're working).  If you have any 
other specific questions, let me know.
Keep in mind that I'm only speaking from my experience- I've only 
worked one summer at one training program (and I'm a little 
biased because I absolutely loved it but I'll try to stay 
objective here).

HTH,
Lizzy


From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 14:40:43 2016
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie P.)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 08:40:43 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Office Hours
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This depends on the reason for the meeting. And how much notice I have of it as well. If I want to go over a specific topic and I suspect I'll need a substantial amount of one on one time to do it, I'll make an appointment. If I have a quick question about, say, an exam accommodation or a question on the homework or a recent test or grade, I won't. And if I realize I need to talk to my professor about something on short notice but don't have an appointment, I'll go to office hours without one, because this is always better than not speaking up at all, no matter what the nature of the question is. 

-Jamie

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 30, 2016, at 00:17, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I was just wondering if these who meet with your professors during their office hours usually let their professors know ahead of time that you are coming, or do you just show up?
> So far I have been arranging all my meetings ahead of time with the teacher by appointment during the office hours.
> Thanks,
> Vejas   
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From toriclark732 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 31 17:35:48 2016
From: toriclark732 at yahoo.com (Tori Clark)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 12:35:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice needed for summer as a college student
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References: <0553D33D-750E-4331-9952-686FDADCE544@gmail.com>
	<483384FA-6E5E-4D6F-BABD-5D213F6B8DA2@gmail.com>
	<A9424111-DFAA-4214-BC61-2CD6E3413D3F@yahoo.com>
	<7.0.1.0.2.20161030114255.04a3dfd0@comcast.net>
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Ok. You'd want to contact Amy Lund to see what you need to do. Her number is (217) 816-5060 and her email is alund at sps186.org 

Tori.

Black Hawk Chapter President National Federation of the Blind of Illinois. 
Younique presenter
309-373-2830

> On Oct 30, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Robin via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I'm interested, Can you Please Pass Along TheInFo? I hope there isn't a Problem that I'm asking ONList cause you Posted this OnList
> JustSayin'
> At 11:35 AM 10/30/2016, you wrote:
>> Well Illinois has a program called BELL. It stands for Braille Enrichment Literacy Learning. It's to help young children learn Braille and other blind techniques. They have two centers. One is for two weeks and the other is for one. Let me know if you'd like information. My number is in the signature.
>> 
>> Tori.
>> 
>> Black Hawk Chapter President National Federation of the Blind of Illinois.
>> Younique presenter
>> 309-373-2830
>> 
>> > On Oct 30, 2016, at 11:39 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Good morning from Chicago land, I would start out by getting job experience at your school that way  you have something to put on a resume if you want to be hired by the training center.
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
>> >
>> >> On Oct 29, 2016, at 20:12, Shikha Desai via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Dear NABS,
>> >>
>> >> My name is Shikha Desai, and my major is Social Work at Georgia State
>> >> University.  I was wondering how you guys keep your self busy during
>> >> the summer time.  I am not taking summer classes for the first time
>> >> and I am looking for an internship this summer.  I applied to an
>> >> internship in Maryland called WINS FAMILY.  I am also going to apply
>> >> to be a counselor at the training centers.  What should I do because I
>> >> have never had a job before.  I also need some help on how to stand
>> >> out for being a counselor at the training centers because I applied
>> >> before but I did not get it.
>> >> Any help is allowed.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Shikha
>> >>
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 18:34:47 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 11:34:47 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Connecting my Braillenote Apex to the school's Internet
Message-ID: <CFFCD1BE-1962-4577-A3BB-E6EBB3723268@gmail.com>

Hi,
My college's Internet connection requires all students to input their school user name and password before anyone can use the network. I have had no issues whatsoever on my phone, but am unable to figure out how to access it on my Apex. 
The Apex does not ask for a WPA2 pre-shared key, but when I enter the network information it asks for a "domain" and a "username." What I need to fill out are the user name and password, so I am not quite sure what "domain" means. I have tried various combinations of entering the school username in the user name field, and in the domain field, but either way it will not connect.
Does anyone know if connecting to this type of network is even possible?
Thanks,
Vejas 

From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Mon Oct 31 18:49:50 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 14:49:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Connecting my Braillenote Apex to the school's Internet
In-Reply-To: <CFFCD1BE-1962-4577-A3BB-E6EBB3723268@gmail.com>
References: <CFFCD1BE-1962-4577-A3BB-E6EBB3723268@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8134345C-F498-4AB9-B47B-1EA7547AD9DA@houghton.edu>

My school was the same. If you have an ethernet cord that will get you connected. Although, you will not be connected to the same networks. You will be connected to a visitors and that is if your school has one.
You also could try giving them your apex MAC address, I tried that and I cannot remember the results. Try checking with your schools tech department to see if that would work.
If you do this, your access to files and such on the schools network will not be available because visitors have different access than students.

> On Oct 31, 2016, at 14:34, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> My college's Internet connection requires all students to input their school user name and password before anyone can use the network. I have had no issues whatsoever on my phone, but am unable to figure out how to access it on my Apex. 
> The Apex does not ask for a WPA2 pre-shared key, but when I enter the network information it asks for a "domain" and a "username." What I need to fill out are the user name and password, so I am not quite sure what "domain" means. I have tried various combinations of entering the school username in the user name field, and in the domain field, but either way it will not connect.
> Does anyone know if connecting to this type of network is even possible?
> Thanks,
> Vejas 
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 19:01:38 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 12:01:38 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Connecting my Braillenote Apex to the school's Internet
In-Reply-To: <8134345C-F498-4AB9-B47B-1EA7547AD9DA@houghton.edu>
References: <CFFCD1BE-1962-4577-A3BB-E6EBB3723268@gmail.com>
	<8134345C-F498-4AB9-B47B-1EA7547AD9DA@houghton.edu>
Message-ID: <835BCD2F-2C95-46FF-B5A1-C9919AEAF336@gmail.com>

Thanks for your reply, Christina.
What is the MAC address? Is that the serial number?
Was the school able to successfully connect you with this information?
Thanks,
Vejas 

> On Oct 31, 2016, at 11:49, Christina Moore via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> My school was the same. If you have an ethernet cord that will get you connected. Although, you will not be connected to the same networks. You will be connected to a visitors and that is if your school has one.
> You also could try giving them your apex MAC address, I tried that and I cannot remember the results. Try checking with your schools tech department to see if that would work.
> If you do this, your access to files and such on the schools network will not be available because visitors have different access than students.
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2016, at 14:34, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> My college's Internet connection requires all students to input their school user name and password before anyone can use the network. I have had no issues whatsoever on my phone, but am unable to figure out how to access it on my Apex. 
>> The Apex does not ask for a WPA2 pre-shared key, but when I enter the network information it asks for a "domain" and a "username." What I need to fill out are the user name and password, so I am not quite sure what "domain" means. I have tried various combinations of entering the school username in the user name field, and in the domain field, but either way it will not connect.
>> Does anyone know if connecting to this type of network is even possible?
>> Thanks,
>> Vejas 
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From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Mon Oct 31 19:18:41 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 15:18:41 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Connecting my Braillenote Apex to the school's Internet
In-Reply-To: <835BCD2F-2C95-46FF-B5A1-C9919AEAF336@gmail.com>
References: <CFFCD1BE-1962-4577-A3BB-E6EBB3723268@gmail.com>
	<8134345C-F498-4AB9-B47B-1EA7547AD9DA@houghton.edu>
	<835BCD2F-2C95-46FF-B5A1-C9919AEAF336@gmail.com>
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No it is not the serial number. When you hit space with I at the main menu, space over and you should find MAC address.

> On Oct 31, 2016, at 15:01, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for your reply, Christina.
> What is the MAC address? Is that the serial number?
> Was the school able to successfully connect you with this information?
> Thanks,
> Vejas 
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2016, at 11:49, Christina Moore via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> My school was the same. If you have an ethernet cord that will get you connected. Although, you will not be connected to the same networks. You will be connected to a visitors and that is if your school has one.
>> You also could try giving them your apex MAC address, I tried that and I cannot remember the results. Try checking with your schools tech department to see if that would work.
>> If you do this, your access to files and such on the schools network will not be available because visitors have different access than students.
>> 
>>> On Oct 31, 2016, at 14:34, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> My college's Internet connection requires all students to input their school user name and password before anyone can use the network. I have had no issues whatsoever on my phone, but am unable to figure out how to access it on my Apex. 
>>> The Apex does not ask for a WPA2 pre-shared key, but when I enter the network information it asks for a "domain" and a "username." What I need to fill out are the user name and password, so I am not quite sure what "domain" means. I have tried various combinations of entering the school username in the user name field, and in the domain field, but either way it will not connect.
>>> Does anyone know if connecting to this type of network is even possible?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Vejas 
>>> _______________________________________________
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 19:59:53 2016
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 15:59:53 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Help make math and science more accessible,
 and enter to win a $25 gift card!
Message-ID: <CALAYQJAUeWN1-Y_K5LaweUWcXiZP9xdsnWD=DCq==UuZfHAwVg@mail.gmail.com>

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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 20:04:17 2016
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 16:04:17 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Help make math and science more accessible,
 and enter to win a $25 gift card!
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Message-ID: <CALAYQJCewV_XYntGFxV5Eaug2Lvn2PduBcCmjZDt4nDMjpWq5w@mail.gmail.com>

Hello students,
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The NFB and Pearson seek to remove access barriers to science,
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We have two surveys. If you are in grades 6-12 click here:
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Thank you for your participation.
Best, Arielle


From carlymih at comcast.net  Mon Oct 31 20:11:06 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 13:11:06 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Office Hours
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References: <537A1D63-339B-499A-B361-2DE11C167D93@gmail.com>
	<8F286806-3700-4175-AD6A-137CFBFAF483@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.298.1772982283.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Way to go, -Jamie!   SeAt 07:40 AM 10/31/2016, Jamie P. via NABS-L wrote:
>This depends on the reason for the meeting. And how much notice I 
>have of it as well. If I want to go over a specific topic and I 
>suspect I'll need a substantial amount of one on one time to do it, 
>I'll make an appointment. If I have a quick question about, say, an 
>exam accommodation or a question on the homework or a recent test or 
>grade, I won't. And if I realize I need to talk to my professor 
>about something on short notice but don't have an appointment, I'll 
>go to office hours without one, because this is always better than 
>not speaking up at all, no matter what the nature of the question is.
>
>-Jamie
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 30, 2016, at 00:17, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > I was just wondering if these who meet with your professors 
> during their office hours usually let their professors know ahead 
> of time that you are coming, or do you just show up?
> > So far I have been arranging all my meetings ahead of time with 
> the teacher by appointment during the office hours.
> > Thanks,
> > Vejas
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From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 20:52:54 2016
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie P.)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 14:52:54 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Office Hours
In-Reply-To: <5817a561.5016240a.88dcb.0be2SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
References: <537A1D63-339B-499A-B361-2DE11C167D93@gmail.com>
	<8F286806-3700-4175-AD6A-137CFBFAF483@gmail.com>
	<5817a561.5016240a.88dcb.0be2SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CC942EBE-0ABD-4B02-9A86-4499B1C301E1@gmail.com>

It's worth noting, for clarity, that "office hours" typically means the times when professors are in their offices and expect students to drop in unannounced with any questions or concerns. These are not the only times a professor is in office. These are just the times they're available for drop in meetings with students. There is no reason the blind student should be denied the privilege of dropping in as needed during scheduled office hours. All students do. But all students also have the option to make an appointment with a professor for a meeting time outside of these regular office hours, too. 

But if you are going to scheduled office hours, it isn't typically expected that you'll make an appointment first. Unless there's some unusually special circumstance. 

-Jamie

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 31, 2016, at 14:11, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Way to go, -Jamie!   SeAt 07:40 AM 10/31/2016, Jamie P. via NABS-L wrote:
>> This depends on the reason for the meeting. And how much notice I have of it as well. If I want to go over a specific topic and I suspect I'll need a substantial amount of one on one time to do it, I'll make an appointment. If I have a quick question about, say, an exam accommodation or a question on the homework or a recent test or grade, I won't. And if I realize I need to talk to my professor about something on short notice but don't have an appointment, I'll go to office hours without one, because this is always better than not speaking up at all, no matter what the nature of the question is.
>> 
>> -Jamie
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Oct 30, 2016, at 00:17, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> > I was just wondering if these who meet with your professors during their office hours usually let their professors know ahead of time that you are coming, or do you just show up?
>> > So far I have been arranging all my meetings ahead of time with the teacher by appointment during the office hours.
>> > Thanks,
>> > Vejas
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > NABS-L mailing list
>> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com
>> 
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> 
> 


From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 21:41:57 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 17:41:57 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Office Hours
In-Reply-To: <CC942EBE-0ABD-4B02-9A86-4499B1C301E1@gmail.com>
References: <537A1D63-339B-499A-B361-2DE11C167D93@gmail.com>	<8F286806-3700-4175-AD6A-137CFBFAF483@gmail.com>	<5817a561.5016240a.88dcb.0be2SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
	<CC942EBE-0ABD-4B02-9A86-4499B1C301E1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000401d233bf$9b5a9260$d20fb720$@gmail.com>

You have that option, but if the professor is busy, he can have you come
back at a more convenient time.
If you need to talk to him, then do so, but office hours does not mean you
can just monopolize his time like that.  If another student is there, you
don't have access to him, and when I wanted to really talk to a professor, I
wanted an appointment so I can a.  
If another student is there, you don't have access to him, and when I wanted
to really talk to a professor, I wanted an appointment so I could be sure I
had the professor's undivided attention.
A prof, or for that fact, anyone else, will be more kindly disposed to you
if you make an appointment.  
-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jamie P. via
NABS-L
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 4:53 PM
To: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
Cc: Jamie P. <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>; National Association of Blind
Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Office Hours

It's worth noting, for clarity, that "office hours" typically means the
times when professors are in their offices and expect students to drop in
unannounced with any questions or concerns. These are not the only times a
professor is in office. These are just the times they're available for drop
in meetings with students. There is no reason the blind student should be
denied the privilege of dropping in as needed during scheduled office hours.
All students do. But all students also have the option to make an
appointment with a professor for a meeting time outside of these regular
office hours, too. 

But if you are going to scheduled office hours, it isn't typically expected
that you'll make an appointment first. Unless there's some unusually special
circumstance. 

-Jamie

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 31, 2016, at 14:11, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Way to go, -Jamie!   SeAt 07:40 AM 10/31/2016, Jamie P. via NABS-L wrote:
>> This depends on the reason for the meeting. And how much notice I have of
it as well. If I want to go over a specific topic and I suspect I'll need a
substantial amount of one on one time to do it, I'll make an appointment. If
I have a quick question about, say, an exam accommodation or a question on
the homework or a recent test or grade, I won't. And if I realize I need to
talk to my professor about something on short notice but don't have an
appointment, I'll go to office hours without one, because this is always
better than not speaking up at all, no matter what the nature of the
question is.
>> 
>> -Jamie
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Oct 30, 2016, at 00:17, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> > I was just wondering if these who meet with your professors during
their office hours usually let their professors know ahead of time that you
are coming, or do you just show up?
>> > So far I have been arranging all my meetings ahead of time with the
teacher by appointment during the office hours.
>> > Thanks,
>> > Vejas
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 21:54:29 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 17:54:29 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Office Hours
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That being said, if you need to visit them, and you didn't have time to make
an appointment, then do so; just be aware that you may not get their best
effort, especially if they had a big afternoon and you've dropped a
bombshell in their lap. If you can build a relationship with the prof, then
you can get them to drop what they are doing to help you.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jamie P. via
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Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 4:53 PM
To: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
Cc: Jamie P. <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>; National Association of Blind
Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Office Hours

It's worth noting, for clarity, that "office hours" typically means the
times when professors are in their offices and expect students to drop in
unannounced with any questions or concerns. These are not the only times a
professor is in office. These are just the times they're available for drop
in meetings with students. There is no reason the blind student should be
denied the privilege of dropping in as needed during scheduled office hours.
All students do. But all students also have the option to make an
appointment with a professor for a meeting time outside of these regular
office hours, too. 

But if you are going to scheduled office hours, it isn't typically expected
that you'll make an appointment first. Unless there's some unusually special
circumstance. 

-Jamie

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 31, 2016, at 14:11, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Way to go, -Jamie!   SeAt 07:40 AM 10/31/2016, Jamie P. via NABS-L wrote:
>> This depends on the reason for the meeting. And how much notice I have of
it as well. If I want to go over a specific topic and I suspect I'll need a
substantial amount of one on one time to do it, I'll make an appointment. If
I have a quick question about, say, an exam accommodation or a question on
the homework or a recent test or grade, I won't. And if I realize I need to
talk to my professor about something on short notice but don't have an
appointment, I'll go to office hours without one, because this is always
better than not speaking up at all, no matter what the nature of the
question is.
>> 
>> -Jamie
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Oct 30, 2016, at 00:17, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> > I was just wondering if these who meet with your professors during
their office hours usually let their professors know ahead of time that you
are coming, or do you just show up?
>> > So far I have been arranging all my meetings ahead of time with the
teacher by appointment during the office hours.
>> > Thanks,
>> > Vejas
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > NABS-L mailing list
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