From zdreicer at gmail.com  Thu Sep  1 01:19:50 2016
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 20:19:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blackboard
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Hi! Blackboard is generally blind friendly, just navigate the website by heading. Discussion boards are typically blind friendly as well, and now you don't need an account because your school email address and password or username and password typically, at least that's how it works for mine

Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver

> On Aug 31, 2016, at 18:02, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> I am just getting acquainted with the website Blackhard, which I am using for one of my classes.  It doesn't seem the most user-friendly and there is no "skip to main content" button so I have go go through some junk on every page, but I am still hoping that I can work with it.
> Two questions:
> 1.  Is Blackboard generally accessible for blind people (reading documents and using the discussion boards?)
> 2.  Do you need to create a Blackboard account with a username and password if you are already in your course?
> Thanks,
> Vejas
> 
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Sep  1 02:41:12 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 22:41:12 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Blackboard
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References: <57c7623e.6593420a.31db2.5453@mx.google.com>
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Hi Vejas,

You can use standard website navigation commands and standard reading 
commands on blackboard to navigate. I use jaws and I think you do too.

Yes  blackboard is generally accessible. You can
read the main stuff like documents and announcements, but I recommend 
downloading your documents since jaws reads them better that way off line.
So if the professor has powerpoints, download them first and change it to 
edit mode. Files from the internet download in a protected mode by default 
so you need to change that to edit mode which is in the file menu to read 
it.
You will need to first get in to blackboard and  go to the heading about 
your enrolled classes; you will see a list of your classes you have that use 
blackboard. Click the one you want to go to. Then, first  page you get to is 
your announcements. To get to the other folders, simply tab to the links and 
open them or  use the links list to go to  a link.

I've used blackboard and found the discussion board hard to use. I could not 
seem to read all messages in a discussion forum or create a thread. A few 
other qwerks about the blackboard experience such as the grading feature is 
hard to read. But generally its accessible.
No you should not need a separate account. My school always used my same 
user name and password to log in to all online services like student email 
and the database to see grades.

hth,
Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 7:02 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas
Subject: [nabs-l] Blackboard

Hi All,
I am just getting acquainted with the website Blackhard, which I
am using for one of my classes.  It doesn't seem the most
user-friendly and there is no "skip to main content" button so I
have go go through some junk on every page, but I am still hoping
that I can work with it.
Two questions:
1.  Is Blackboard generally accessible for blind people (reading
documents and using the discussion boards?)
2.  Do you need to create a Blackboard account with a username
and password if you are already in your course?
Thanks,
Vejas

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From carlymih at comcast.net  Thu Sep  1 02:43:18 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 19:43:18 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
In-Reply-To: <540ddd83.285c320a.5c41.ffffd7ae@mx.google.com>
References: <540ddd83.285c320a.5c41.ffffd7ae@mx.google.com>
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Evening, Carl, and everyone,

I have a lover and I can't get enough of groping his face, taking in 
the vaguely almond-shaped eyes, the broad Nubian nose, the bierd and 
best of all, the thick, juicy lips. I can't get enough!
CarAt 09:46 AM 9/8/2014, you wrote:
>I haven't done this either--except with people I'm dating and like 
>my parents.  It does seem to be a common stereotype and something 
>that happens in a lot of literature and movies.
>Perhaps some people who went blind later in life and think knowing 
>what people's faces are like is important do this?
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>To: Nabsl <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 05:25:08 -0700
>Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
>
>Hi guys,
>
>So, for a long time I've been want to know this, but never got
>around to asking.  I, personally, don't feel faces to know what
>people look like.  Do people really feel faces? How can it give
>someone a picture if they feel the face? Is this just a movie and
>a myth, or reality and true?
>
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From discoduck221 at gmail.com  Thu Sep  1 03:44:43 2016
From: discoduck221 at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 23:44:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Colorado Center For The Blind Question
Message-ID: <CA+Wnc9T7HYKQx6oW0TmiKU8yzDAqHzS5XwmLKiAN8BGzqWq4Uw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi There!
I am writing on behalf of a close friend of mine who is scheduled to
start training in the adult program at The Colorado Center For The
Blind near the end of September. My friend's having some email
troubles, so they asked me to reach out here to see if there is anyone
on this list who currently attends or is about to start attending the
Colorado Center.
If there is anyone who is currently there who would be interested in
getting in touch with someone about to start, in the spirit of
reaching out to a new person and/or meeting one of your soon to be
classmates, please either
Reply back here
or if you'd rather, email me at
discoduck221 at gmail.com
so I could put you and sthe friend in touch if you'd be interested.
Thanks, and I hope anyone in training right now is doing well.
All the best,
David Dunphy


From carlymih at comcast.net  Thu Sep  1 04:44:21 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 21:44:21 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] A Few Unrelated Questions
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS379F2A7160F86C0F9DF8F1CBA200@phx.gbl>
References: <COL401-EAS379F2A7160F86C0F9DF8F1CBA200@phx.gbl>
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Evening, Elizabeth,

         In case you still need to work on your letter you might 
include in addition to a "thank you" how you will use the gift. Then 
your oletter will write itself.
Good luck!
Car At 06:10 AM 6/26/2016, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote:
>Hello All,
>
>I hope this message finds everyone doing well as I am sure many of you are
>most likely in the final stages of preparing to attend national convention.
>I have a few unrelated questions I would like to ask everyone who is on this
>email list.
>
>First, are there any blind students out there who have a cognitive
>disability in addition to blindness? If so, I would be interested in
>connecting with you off list.
>
>Second, has anyone on the email list taken an environmental geology class
>before? If so, what types of accommodations did you use for this class? I
>would greatly appreciate any information even though this question may have
>been asked on the email list before.
>
>Third, does anyone have any advice on writing a thank you letter as part of
>receiving a scholarship? I need to write a thank you letter as part of
>receiving a foundation scholarship from my local community college, and
>although I am often prone to ramble, I have absolutely no idea what to say
>in this letter beyond simply saying thank you.
>
>There is not much of a description for this particular scholarship besides
>the number of credits a student needs to take and the grade point average a
>student needs to maintain as a part of receiving this scholarship. I already
>asked the person in charge of the scholarship program if she could provide
>more details about how the scholarship was created as a way to help me write
>the thank you letter. However, I did not receive any additional information
>from asking this question. So I am at a loss as to what to say in this thank
>you letter.
>
>If anyone has any thoughts or ideas regarding any of these questions, I
>would greatly appreciate hearing from you. Please feel free to respond on
>the email list, off the email list, or at national convention.
>
>Thanks,
>Elizabeth
>
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From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Thu Sep  1 12:58:38 2016
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 08:58:38 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
In-Reply-To: <57c7962e.03ae370a.fbde1.1cf5SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
References: <540ddd83.285c320a.5c41.ffffd7ae@mx.google.com>
	<57c7962e.03ae370a.fbde1.1cf5SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAMEPVZ6vAiuWB1w99UA0zPs_VfnTR0Rwb6FqAobizst7iqH_UA@mail.gmail.com>

Carly,

You crack me the hell up. LOL It’s like a year later, here’s Carly
commenting on a thread long since forgotten! Every now and then you
kind of sort of make me laugh out loud with your nonsense.

Anyway, to keep this on topic, I have had people offer to let me touch
their faces as a means of picturing what they look like. I admit in
high school I would sometimes take people up on their offer, because
if I was mildly interested in the girl, why not? What’s funny is that
people assume that because we’re blind, we’re somehow going to be less
picky, less judgmental. I mean, we’re supposed to be special gifts
from God, right? Haha. Silly people.

It’s one thing if blind people are the ones going about asking to
touch people’s faces. That’s not traditional, not socially acceptable.
If, however, people offer you, I personally don’t see the harm. Now as
an older adult I would be less inclined to take the invitation. This,
I think has more to do with my general personality than any blindness
factor. I certainly hope my fellow blind guys here are not going about
using the touch thing as an excuse to go around feeling people. Save
that for your own loved ones. :)

Joe


On 8/31/16, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Evening, Carl, and everyone,
>
> I have a lover and I can't get enough of groping his face, taking in
> the vaguely almond-shaped eyes, the broad Nubian nose, the bierd and
> best of all, the thick, juicy lips. I can't get enough!
> CarAt 09:46 AM 9/8/2014, you wrote:
>>I haven't done this either--except with people I'm dating and like
>>my parents.  It does seem to be a common stereotype and something
>>that happens in a lot of literature and movies.
>>Perhaps some people who went blind later in life and think knowing
>>what people's faces are like is important do this?
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>To: Nabsl <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>Date sent: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 05:25:08 -0700
>>Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
>>
>>Hi guys,
>>
>>So, for a long time I've been want to know this, but never got
>>around to asking.  I, personally, don't feel faces to know what
>>people look like.  Do people really feel faces? How can it give
>>someone a picture if they feel the face? Is this just a movie and
>>a myth, or reality and true?
>>
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From filerime at gmail.com  Thu Sep  1 14:21:34 2016
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 10:21:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Playing audio on the slides
Message-ID: <CAMtP_9d36eYMOxbz7hWWg9BzYFiRGOER4styTTQn2Lz=NHUahQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
I am taking an online course. The professor adds audio to each slide,
but in order to play the audio, students need to click speaker button
appears on the right corner. Some people make them automatic so, when
I activated slide show mode,  audio plays with the each new slide.
This one need individual activation on each slide, and I am not able
to do that.
Does anyone know how to listen the audio on the slide?


From ligne14 at verizon.net  Thu Sep  1 14:58:42 2016
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne)
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2016 06:58:42 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Facebook
Message-ID: <0OCT001WZYXWPQ50@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi all,

So today is my birthday, and I noticed that some of my friends 
have posted on my Facebook account timeline.  However, I'm not 
able to access this directly on my iPhone.  So far, the only way 
that I've been able to know what my friends have posted was if 
Facebook sent me an email that informed me that that friend 
posted on my timeline and which also contained what they said, 
but I haven't been able to access my timeline directly through 
Facebook.  How should I go directly to my timeline with my iPhone 
using VoiceOver?

I hope to hear from you all soon.

Thanks and, for the college students, enjoy the start to your 
semesters.

Sami


From filerime at gmail.com  Thu Sep  1 15:15:42 2016
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 11:15:42 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Facebook
In-Reply-To: <0OCT001WZYXWPQ50@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0OCT001WZYXWPQ50@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <CAMtP_9eJCfzrm_gqXEENEEqU+XjgMm=JunyQyg1K3NUCNiP2eQ@mail.gmail.com>

Sami, happy birthday to you.
This is not an answer to your question but you may find it helpful.
I use facebook on my laptop through the mobil version.
you need to go to
m.facebook.com
there is no www at the beginning. the m indicates that this is mobile
version. So it is very accessible through this way. If you try this,
from top to buttem you will here notifications. hit that link. It is
pretty much like every other website.
I hope you will be able to read and respond to your great wishes from
your loved ones.



2016-09-01 10:58 GMT-04:00, Sami Osborne via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> Hi all,
>
> So today is my birthday, and I noticed that some of my friends
> have posted on my Facebook account timeline.  However, I'm not
> able to access this directly on my iPhone.  So far, the only way
> that I've been able to know what my friends have posted was if
> Facebook sent me an email that informed me that that friend
> posted on my timeline and which also contained what they said,
> but I haven't been able to access my timeline directly through
> Facebook.  How should I go directly to my timeline with my iPhone
> using VoiceOver?
>
> I hope to hear from you all soon.
>
> Thanks and, for the college students, enjoy the start to your
> semesters.
>
> Sami
>
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From betatester329 at gmail.com  Thu Sep  1 16:53:15 2016
From: betatester329 at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2016 09:53:15 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] jaws keeps crashing in windows 10 aniversery update
Message-ID: <57c85d35.6c42420a.ef394.2e03@mx.google.com>

Hi, jaws seems to keep crashing in windows 10 anniversary update.  
I used the windows 10 upgrade assistant to install the update.  
After it restarted, jaws asked for an administrator password.  I 
entered the password and jaws just stopped talking.  I pressed 
control plus altogether plus delete to restart my computer.  I 
went to disk cleanup to free up 30 gigs of hard drive space, but 
jaws seems to crash for 30 seconds after hitting yes.  How do I 
fix this problem?


From gpaikens at gmail.com  Thu Sep  1 17:03:13 2016
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 13:03:13 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] jaws keeps crashing in windows 10 aniversery update
In-Reply-To: <57c85d35.6c42420a.ef394.2e03@mx.google.com>
References: <57c85d35.6c42420a.ef394.2e03@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAK0ZVw3i326CQA6jrjP3GyYKEbCo-ZiVCpBT5CLqHtSkA0fckA@mail.gmail.com>

What version of JAWS are you running? Have you installed all the JAWS updates?

On 9/1/16, petras via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi, jaws seems to keep crashing in windows 10 anniversary update.
> I used the windows 10 upgrade assistant to install the update.
> After it restarted, jaws asked for an administrator password.  I
> entered the password and jaws just stopped talking.  I pressed
> control plus altogether plus delete to restart my computer.  I
> went to disk cleanup to free up 30 gigs of hard drive space, but
> jaws seems to crash for 30 seconds after hitting yes.  How do I
> fix this problem?
>
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From gpaikens at gmail.com  Thu Sep  1 17:05:31 2016
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 13:05:31 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Facebook
In-Reply-To: <CAMtP_9eJCfzrm_gqXEENEEqU+XjgMm=JunyQyg1K3NUCNiP2eQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0OCT001WZYXWPQ50@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net>
	<CAMtP_9eJCfzrm_gqXEENEEqU+XjgMm=JunyQyg1K3NUCNiP2eQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAK0ZVw0rzn11+K3yFcdFf+x8dxnc68ycy_txaOQYoJLWf+=6kg@mail.gmail.com>

On the IOS app:
Go to the "More" button in the bottom right of the screen. "View your
profile" is one of the options on the screen that comes up by tapping
on More. You should be able to see your timeline from your profile.

Best,
Greg

On 9/1/16, Elif Emir Öksüz via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Sami, happy birthday to you.
> This is not an answer to your question but you may find it helpful.
> I use facebook on my laptop through the mobil version.
> you need to go to
> m.facebook.com
> there is no www at the beginning. the m indicates that this is mobile
> version. So it is very accessible through this way. If you try this,
> from top to buttem you will here notifications. hit that link. It is
> pretty much like every other website.
> I hope you will be able to read and respond to your great wishes from
> your loved ones.
>
>
>
> 2016-09-01 10:58 GMT-04:00, Sami Osborne via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> So today is my birthday, and I noticed that some of my friends
>> have posted on my Facebook account timeline.  However, I'm not
>> able to access this directly on my iPhone.  So far, the only way
>> that I've been able to know what my friends have posted was if
>> Facebook sent me an email that informed me that that friend
>> posted on my timeline and which also contained what they said,
>> but I haven't been able to access my timeline directly through
>> Facebook.  How should I go directly to my timeline with my iPhone
>> using VoiceOver?
>>
>> I hope to hear from you all soon.
>>
>> Thanks and, for the college students, enjoy the start to your
>> semesters.
>>
>> Sami
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From zdreicer at gmail.com  Thu Sep  1 17:12:36 2016
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 12:12:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Playing audio on the slides
In-Reply-To: <CAMtP_9d36eYMOxbz7hWWg9BzYFiRGOER4styTTQn2Lz=NHUahQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMtP_9d36eYMOxbz7hWWg9BzYFiRGOER4styTTQn2Lz=NHUahQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B057637D-E506-4F43-A2B9-01B098614016@gmail.com>

I think you can move element by element and listen for the one that says has audio or something like that and hit enter. That was what I did when I had windows.
Sent from my Macbook Pro 13

> On Sep 1, 2016, at 09:21, Elif Emir Öksüz via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I am taking an online course. The professor adds audio to each slide,
> but in order to play the audio, students need to click speaker button
> appears on the right corner. Some people make them automatic so, when
> I activated slide show mode,  audio plays with the each new slide.
> This one need individual activation on each slide, and I am not able
> to do that.
> Does anyone know how to listen the audio on the slide?
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From betatester329 at gmail.com  Thu Sep  1 17:27:31 2016
From: betatester329 at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2016 10:27:31 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] jaws keeps crashing in windows 10 aniversery update
Message-ID: <57c8653c.8a93620a.63db4.2f18@mx.google.com>

I have 17 and the latest updates.

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To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 13:03:13 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] jaws keeps crashing in windows 10 
aniversery update

What version of JAWS are you running? Have you installed all the 
JAWS updates?

On 9/1/16, petras via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 Hi, jaws seems to keep crashing in windows 10 anniversary 
update.
 I used the windows 10 upgrade assistant to install the update.
 After it restarted, jaws asked for an administrator password.  I
 entered the password and jaws just stopped talking.  I pressed
 control plus altogether plus delete to restart my computer.  I
 went to disk cleanup to free up 30 gigs of hard drive space, but
 jaws seems to crash for 30 seconds after hitting yes.  How do I
 fix this problem?

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From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Thu Sep  1 20:54:45 2016
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 20:54:45 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Facebook
In-Reply-To: <0OCT001WZYXWPQ50@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0OCT001WZYXWPQ50@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <DM5PR06MB2922839B0B76F36C256D4F21CEE20@DM5PR06MB2922.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Okay I want to make a correction about the whole Facebook thing, yes with the iPhone you go to the more tab, you do not click on view profile. What you want to click on what you click on the more tab, is your name. Then you want to click on the activity log. This will let you look at post better on your timeline and if you have that such issues, I am available to help you. You can contact me using the details below in my signature.
Joseph Hudson
Group owner for iPad help for the blind

  *   IPadhelpfortheblind+subscribe at groups.io<mailto:IPadhelpfortheblind+subscribe at groups.io>

Email
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Telephone
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On Sep 1, 2016, at 9:58 AM, Sami Osborne via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

Hi all,

So today is my birthday, and I noticed that some of my friends have posted on my Facebook account timeline.  However, I'm not able to access this directly on my iPhone.  So far, the only way that I've been able to know what my friends have posted was if Facebook sent me an email that informed me that that friend posted on my timeline and which also contained what they said, but I haven't been able to access my timeline directly through Facebook.  How should I go directly to my timeline with my iPhone using VoiceOver?

I hope to hear from you all soon.

Thanks and, for the college students, enjoy the start to your semesters.

Sami

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From iperrault at hotmail.com  Fri Sep  2 02:19:49 2016
From: iperrault at hotmail.com (Ian Perrault)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 22:19:49 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Self-Service Check-in Kiosks for airlines and Amtrak
Message-ID: <BLU403-EAS2771AE31F72C9769134B732BFE50@phx.gbl>

Hi All,

I'm wondering if the NFB is doing something so that self-service kiosks can
be accessible? It's very frustrating, because while the technology is there,
airlines and Amtrak are not putting in audio r a tactile keyboard, like ATM
machines. All of the kiosks are touch screens. Hopefully this can be solved
in the near future!

Ian


From johnniejduran at gmail.com  Fri Sep  2 03:02:23 2016
From: johnniejduran at gmail.com (johnnie Jean duran)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 21:02:23 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] I'd like your support
Message-ID: <E25ED7F4-4F4F-47CD-A31A-D2DC9A959D10@gmail.com>

Hi,

I'd love it if you took a moment to check out my GoFundMe campaign:
I am raising money to go into the future of my schooling! Any donations would mean the world to me, but if you can't, please pass on the word!
https://www.gofundme.com/23nqdfbf?pc=em_co_dashboard_a

Your support would mean a lot to me. Thank you so much!

JJ


Sent from my iPhone

From kestomberg at coe.edu  Fri Sep  2 03:09:48 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 22:09:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Self-Service Check-in Kiosks for airlines and Amtrak
In-Reply-To: <BLU403-EAS2771AE31F72C9769134B732BFE50@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU403-EAS2771AE31F72C9769134B732BFE50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <84843801-D737-4428-BF3A-7D4D0E048B56@coe.edu>

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this is a big issue with the NFB right now. I am not sure who you would talk to the national office, but I do believe the NFB is working on this.

Kennedy Stomberg 
(218)295-2391 

> On Sep 1, 2016, at 9:19 PM, Ian Perrault via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I'm wondering if the NFB is doing something so that self-service kiosks can
> be accessible? It's very frustrating, because while the technology is there,
> airlines and Amtrak are not putting in audio r a tactile keyboard, like ATM
> machines. All of the kiosks are touch screens. Hopefully this can be solved
> in the near future!
> 
> Ian
> 
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From ligne14 at verizon.net  Fri Sep  2 03:12:06 2016
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne)
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2016 19:12:06 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with setting up my college email on my Apex
Message-ID: <0OCU009L9WW8ZQ60@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi all,

I know this question has recently been asked before, but I'm 
having a problem with setting up my college email account on my 
Apex.  I'll be starting my college classes next week, and thought 
that I could use my Apex for reading/writing my emails to make 
things easier.  I unfortunately wasn't able to obtain the POP and 
SMTP information, either at freshman orientation or through 
emails with the coordinator of Disability Services.  I tried 
different things, for example not entering any POP or Smtp 
information but changing the port numbers (which are different 
from the default settings with my Verizon account,) and then 
changing them back to the default, but neither of those worked.  
I can also access the emails just fine on my iPhone, by creating 
it as though it were a Gmail (Google account, without the need to 
enter any information beside my name, email address, and 
password.  So as you can see, I can access my college emails on 
my phone just fine, but not on my Apex.

Therefore, I have a few questions for you Apex users out there: 
1.  Is it required for all email accounts you create on the Apex 
to enter POP and SMTP information? 2.  If the answer to my first 
question is yes, how can I obtain this information? Could I 
possibly get it before class starts? Another concern that came to 
my attention is that not everyone out there is the most 
technologically advanced individual, so how can I explain it to 
them if they get confused, and what if they tell me afterwords 
that they still can't find the information I requested? 3.  I 
know that a lot of you guys on this list use Gmail accounts, 
including you other Apex users.  Did you have to enter that 
information when creating your account since Gmail uses iMap and 
not POP?

I hope you guys can get back to me ASAP.

Thanks and enjoy the start to your semesters,

Sami


From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Sep  2 03:59:36 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 23:59:36 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with setting up my college email on my Apex
In-Reply-To: <0OCU009L9WW8ZQ60@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0OCU009L9WW8ZQ60@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <47AC5B58EBE54B3A96C77C2FD2D53C0D@OwnerPC>

Sami,
I'm pretty sure you need that info. call your IT support who might be able 
to get this to you.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Sami Osborne via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2016 11:12 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Sami Osborne
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with setting up my college email on my Apex

Hi all,

I know this question has recently been asked before, but I'm
having a problem with setting up my college email account on my
Apex.  I'll be starting my college classes next week, and thought
that I could use my Apex for reading/writing my emails to make
things easier.  I unfortunately wasn't able to obtain the POP and
SMTP information, either at freshman orientation or through
emails with the coordinator of Disability Services.  I tried
different things, for example not entering any POP or Smtp
information but changing the port numbers (which are different
from the default settings with my Verizon account,) and then
changing them back to the default, but neither of those worked.
I can also access the emails just fine on my iPhone, by creating
it as though it were a Gmail (Google account, without the need to
enter any information beside my name, email address, and
password.  So as you can see, I can access my college emails on
my phone just fine, but not on my Apex.

Therefore, I have a few questions for you Apex users out there:
1.  Is it required for all email accounts you create on the Apex
to enter POP and SMTP information? 2.  If the answer to my first
question is yes, how can I obtain this information? Could I
possibly get it before class starts? Another concern that came to
my attention is that not everyone out there is the most
technologically advanced individual, so how can I explain it to
them if they get confused, and what if they tell me afterwords
that they still can't find the information I requested? 3.  I
know that a lot of you guys on this list use Gmail accounts,
including you other Apex users.  Did you have to enter that
information when creating your account since Gmail uses iMap and
not POP?

I hope you guys can get back to me ASAP.

Thanks and enjoy the start to your semesters,

Sami

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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Fri Sep  2 06:04:42 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2016 23:04:42 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with setting up my college email on my Apex
Message-ID: <57c91699.cc38620a.1439a.be3e@mx.google.com>

I apologize if you already tried this, but be sure for the Pop 
and SMTP to put popgmailcom and not popcollegeancedu.
Vejas
----- Original Message -----
From: Sami Osborne via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 01 Sep 2016 19:12:06 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with setting up my college email on my 
Apex

Hi all,

I know this question has recently been asked before, but I'm
having a problem with setting up my college email account on my
Apex.  I'll be starting my college classes next week, and thought
that I could use my Apex for reading/writing my emails to make
things easier.  I unfortunately wasn't able to obtain the POP and
SMTP information, either at freshman orientation or through
emails with the coordinator of Disability Services.  I tried
different things, for example not entering any POP or Smtp
information but changing the port numbers (which are different
from the default settings with my Verizon account,) and then
changing them back to the default, but neither of those worked.
I can also access the emails just fine on my iPhone, by creating
it as though it were a Gmail (Google account, without the need to
enter any information beside my name, email address, and
password.  So as you can see, I can access my college emails on
my phone just fine, but not on my Apex.

Therefore, I have a few questions for you Apex users out there:
1.  Is it required for all email accounts you create on the Apex
to enter POP and SMTP information? 2.  If the answer to my first
question is yes, how can I obtain this information? Could I
possibly get it before class starts? Another concern that came to
my attention is that not everyone out there is the most
technologically advanced individual, so how can I explain it to
them if they get confused, and what if they tell me afterwords
that they still can't find the information I requested? 3.  I
know that a lot of you guys on this list use Gmail accounts,
including you other Apex users.  Did you have to enter that
information when creating your account since Gmail uses iMap and
not POP?

I hope you guys can get back to me ASAP.

Thanks and enjoy the start to your semesters,

Sami

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From zdreicer at gmail.com  Fri Sep  2 09:24:40 2016
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 04:24:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] I'd like your support
In-Reply-To: <E25ED7F4-4F4F-47CD-A31A-D2DC9A959D10@gmail.com>
References: <E25ED7F4-4F4F-47CD-A31A-D2DC9A959D10@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7F2D5058-A606-4055-AE21-60F9BA0CB1F7@gmail.com>

Good morning, you should strongly consider applying for Colorado DVR, and the state and national scholarships as you get closer to college. Give me a call sometime, I'd love to know how you're doing.

Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver

> On Sep 1, 2016, at 22:02, johnnie Jean duran via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'd love it if you took a moment to check out my GoFundMe campaign:
> I am raising money to go into the future of my schooling! Any donations would mean the world to me, but if you can't, please pass on the word!
> https://www.gofundme.com/23nqdfbf?pc=em_co_dashboard_a
> 
> Your support would mean a lot to me. Thank you so much!
> 
> JJ
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Fri Sep  2 11:27:24 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2016 07:27:24 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with setting up my college email on my Apex
Message-ID: <57c96233.9104810a.46a6b.1212@mx.google.com>

Hi Sami,

DSS is not the place to go for tech support at your school.  Your 
school will have an IT department that will be happy to help you 
if you contact them.  And yes, you need this information for all 
accounts.

Best,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Sami Osborne via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 01 Sep 2016 19:12:06 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with setting up my college email on my 
Apex

Hi all,

I know this question has recently been asked before, but I'm
having a problem with setting up my college email account on my
Apex.  I'll be starting my college classes next week, and thought
that I could use my Apex for reading/writing my emails to make
things easier.  I unfortunately wasn't able to obtain the POP and
SMTP information, either at freshman orientation or through
emails with the coordinator of Disability Services.  I tried
different things, for example not entering any POP or Smtp
information but changing the port numbers (which are different
from the default settings with my Verizon account,) and then
changing them back to the default, but neither of those worked.
I can also access the emails just fine on my iPhone, by creating
it as though it were a Gmail (Google account, without the need to
enter any information beside my name, email address, and
password.  So as you can see, I can access my college emails on
my phone just fine, but not on my Apex.

Therefore, I have a few questions for you Apex users out there:
1.  Is it required for all email accounts you create on the Apex
to enter POP and SMTP information? 2.  If the answer to my first
question is yes, how can I obtain this information? Could I
possibly get it before class starts? Another concern that came to
my attention is that not everyone out there is the most
technologically advanced individual, so how can I explain it to
them if they get confused, and what if they tell me afterwords
that they still can't find the information I requested? 3.  I
know that a lot of you guys on this list use Gmail accounts,
including you other Apex users.  Did you have to enter that
information when creating your account since Gmail uses iMap and
not POP?

I hope you guys can get back to me ASAP.

Thanks and enjoy the start to your semesters,

Sami

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From codeofdusk at gmail.com  Fri Sep  2 16:52:40 2016
From: codeofdusk at gmail.com (Bill Dengler)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 16:52:40 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with setting up my college email on my Apex
In-Reply-To: <0OCU009L9WW8ZQ60@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0OCU009L9WW8ZQ60@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <F1446DC3-4C7C-4549-9C8E-5EA35766BD68@gmail.com>

POP is an older protocol.
You really should be using IMAP.
With POP, deletions, new messages, etc don’t sync across devices.
If you absolutely insist on using this antiquated protocol, try these settings (they may or may not work anymore):
Host: pop.gmail.com <http://pop.gmail.com/>
Port: 995.
Use TLS.
username: your full college email address.
Password: your college email password.
Use the following settings for SMTP:
host: smtp.gmail.com <http://smtp.gmail.com/>
port: 587
Use TLS.
Username: your full college email address.
Password: your college email password.
In order for this to work, you may need to enable POP (in webmail settings) and less secure authentication (in Google account settings).

Thanks,
Bill
> On Sep 2, 2016, at 3:12 AM, Sami Osborne via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I know this question has recently been asked before, but I'm having a problem with setting up my college email account on my Apex.  I'll be starting my college classes next week, and thought that I could use my Apex for reading/writing my emails to make things easier.  I unfortunately wasn't able to obtain the POP and SMTP information, either at freshman orientation or through emails with the coordinator of Disability Services.  I tried different things, for example not entering any POP or Smtp information but changing the port numbers (which are different from the default settings with my Verizon account,) and then changing them back to the default, but neither of those worked.  I can also access the emails just fine on my iPhone, by creating it as though it were a Gmail (Google account, without the need to enter any information beside my name, email address, and password.  So as you can see, I can access my college emails on my phone just fine, but not on my Apex.
> 
> Therefore, I have a few questions for you Apex users out there: 1.  Is it required for all email accounts you create on the Apex to enter POP and SMTP information? 2.  If the answer to my first question is yes, how can I obtain this information? Could I possibly get it before class starts? Another concern that came to my attention is that not everyone out there is the most technologically advanced individual, so how can I explain it to them if they get confused, and what if they tell me afterwords that they still can't find the information I requested? 3.  I know that a lot of you guys on this list use Gmail accounts, including you other Apex users.  Did you have to enter that information when creating your account since Gmail uses iMap and not POP?
> 
> I hope you guys can get back to me ASAP.
> 
> Thanks and enjoy the start to your semesters,
> 
> Sami
> 
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Fri Sep  2 17:20:10 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 10:20:10 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with setting up my college email on my Apex
In-Reply-To: <F1446DC3-4C7C-4549-9C8E-5EA35766BD68@gmail.com>
References: <0OCU009L9WW8ZQ60@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net>
	<F1446DC3-4C7C-4549-9C8E-5EA35766BD68@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E6DD3B1A-0E11-4854-B8BC-B9AFDA43B223@gmail.com>

Hi
Unfortunately the Apex does not support Imap, so Sami, and all Apex users for that matter,  are  stuck with POP.
Vejas 

> On Sep 2, 2016, at 09:52, Bill Dengler via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> POP is an older protocol.
> You really should be using IMAP.
> With POP, deletions, new messages, etc don’t sync across devices.
> If you absolutely insist on using this antiquated protocol, try these settings (they may or may not work anymore):
> Host: pop.gmail.com <http://pop.gmail.com/>
> Port: 995.
> Use TLS.
> username: your full college email address.
> Password: your college email password.
> Use the following settings for SMTP:
> host: smtp.gmail.com <http://smtp.gmail.com/>
> port: 587
> Use TLS.
> Username: your full college email address.
> Password: your college email password.
> In order for this to work, you may need to enable POP (in webmail settings) and less secure authentication (in Google account settings).
> 
> Thanks,
> Bill
>> On Sep 2, 2016, at 3:12 AM, Sami Osborne via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I know this question has recently been asked before, but I'm having a problem with setting up my college email account on my Apex.  I'll be starting my college classes next week, and thought that I could use my Apex for reading/writing my emails to make things easier.  I unfortunately wasn't able to obtain the POP and SMTP information, either at freshman orientation or through emails with the coordinator of Disability Services.  I tried different things, for example not entering any POP or Smtp information but changing the port numbers (which are different from the default settings with my Verizon account,) and then changing them back to the default, but neither of those worked.  I can also access the emails just fine on my iPhone, by creating it as though it were a Gmail (Google account, without the need to enter any information beside my name, email address, and password.  So as you can see, I can access my college emails on my phone just fine, but not on my Apex.
>> 
>> Therefore, I have a few questions for you Apex users out there: 1.  Is it required for all email accounts you create on the Apex to enter POP and SMTP information? 2.  If the answer to my first question is yes, how can I obtain this information? Could I possibly get it before class starts? Another concern that came to my attention is that not everyone out there is the most technologically advanced individual, so how can I explain it to them if they get confused, and what if they tell me afterwords that they still can't find the information I requested? 3.  I know that a lot of you guys on this list use Gmail accounts, including you other Apex users.  Did you have to enter that information when creating your account since Gmail uses iMap and not POP?
>> 
>> I hope you guys can get back to me ASAP.
>> 
>> Thanks and enjoy the start to your semesters,
>> 
>> Sami
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From codeofdusk at gmail.com  Fri Sep  2 17:22:54 2016
From: codeofdusk at gmail.com (Bill Dengler)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 17:22:54 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with setting up my college email on my Apex
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Or just use "terminal for screen reader" with a more modern device.

Bill
> On Sep 2, 2016, at 5:20 PM, Vejas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi
> Unfortunately the Apex does not support Imap, so Sami, and all Apex users for that matter,  are  stuck with POP.
> Vejas 
> 
>> On Sep 2, 2016, at 09:52, Bill Dengler via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>> 
>> POP is an older protocol.
>> You really should be using IMAP.
>> With POP, deletions, new messages, etc don’t sync across devices.
>> If you absolutely insist on using this antiquated protocol, try these settings (they may or may not work anymore):
>> Host: pop.gmail.com <http://pop.gmail.com/> <http://pop.gmail.com/ <http://pop.gmail.com/>>
>> Port: 995.
>> Use TLS.
>> username: your full college email address.
>> Password: your college email password.
>> Use the following settings for SMTP:
>> host: smtp.gmail.com <http://smtp.gmail.com/> <http://smtp.gmail.com/ <http://smtp.gmail.com/>>
>> port: 587
>> Use TLS.
>> Username: your full college email address.
>> Password: your college email password.
>> In order for this to work, you may need to enable POP (in webmail settings) and less secure authentication (in Google account settings).
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>>> On Sep 2, 2016, at 3:12 AM, Sami Osborne via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I know this question has recently been asked before, but I'm having a problem with setting up my college email account on my Apex.  I'll be starting my college classes next week, and thought that I could use my Apex for reading/writing my emails to make things easier.  I unfortunately wasn't able to obtain the POP and SMTP information, either at freshman orientation or through emails with the coordinator of Disability Services.  I tried different things, for example not entering any POP or Smtp information but changing the port numbers (which are different from the default settings with my Verizon account,) and then changing them back to the default, but neither of those worked.  I can also access the emails just fine on my iPhone, by creating it as though it were a Gmail (Google account, without the need to enter any information beside my name, email address, and password.  So as you can see, I can access my college emails on my phone just fine, but not on my Apex.
>>> 
>>> Therefore, I have a few questions for you Apex users out there: 1.  Is it required for all email accounts you create on the Apex to enter POP and SMTP information? 2.  If the answer to my first question is yes, how can I obtain this information? Could I possibly get it before class starts? Another concern that came to my attention is that not everyone out there is the most technologically advanced individual, so how can I explain it to them if they get confused, and what if they tell me afterwords that they still can't find the information I requested? 3.  I know that a lot of you guys on this list use Gmail accounts, including you other Apex users.  Did you have to enter that information when creating your account since Gmail uses iMap and not POP?
>>> 
>>> I hope you guys can get back to me ASAP.
>>> 
>>> Thanks and enjoy the start to your semesters,
>>> 
>>> Sami
>>> 
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From rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com  Fri Sep  2 18:23:35 2016
From: rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com (andrew edgcumbe)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 14:23:35 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] nfb and stuff
Message-ID: <CAGcQ9RZL-AZLomE+MWsejpHWsJSHSHULV70ZE92M7WAw3T1_5Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all hope you all are doing well. I would never  usually post stuff like
this but  i been hearing downing comments from this guy in one of the
blindness  blind penpals  and things facebook group but anyway  he clames
that  this and that happened and stuff like that maybe some know of him
already.  and i don't back him at all. hear is facebook message.
Jorge Paez
<https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012172089879&fref=nf&refid=18>
And I help the people I know locally, that's about all I can do. And the
NFB doesn't help anyone so don't tell me I'm somehow talking trash about
people who are actually helping because I have verrifiable sources and the
NFB helps no one. And no, I will not reveal my sources for privacy and
confidentiality reasons as everything I recieved I recieved in confidence
from well placed sources. And before you can say I'm not keeping secrets--I
never revealed the actual incidents, just my awareness of the nonsense that
goes on in those places.

From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Fri Sep  2 18:40:51 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2016 11:40:51 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] nfb and stuff
Message-ID: <57c9c7d3.8f87620a.e2300.3d9b@mx.google.com>

Hi
I would completely ignore the comments.  Most all of us know how 
great the NFB has been.  It's like if someone were to criticize 
you and tell you things that aren't true about yourself, it might 
hurt but you just know to ignore them.
Also, for respect of the person who wrote this, I would omit 
their name for posts like this in the future.
Vejas


 ----- Original Message -----
From: andrew edgcumbe via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 14:23:35 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] nfb and stuff

Hi all hope you all are doing well.  I would never  usually post 
stuff like
this but  i been hearing downing comments from this guy in one of 
the
blindness  blind penpals  and things facebook group but anyway  
he clames
that  this and that happened and stuff like that maybe some know 
of him
already.  and i don't back him at all.  hear is facebook message.
Jorge Paez
<https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012172089879&fref=nf&re
fid=18
And I help the people I know locally, that's about all I can do.  
And the
NFB doesn't help anyone so don't tell me I'm somehow talking 
trash about
people who are actually helping because I have verrifiable 
sources and the
NFB helps no one.  And no, I will not reveal my sources for 
privacy and
confidentiality reasons as everything I recieved I recieved in 
confidence
from well placed sources.  And before you can say I'm not keeping 
secrets--I
never revealed the actual incidents, just my awareness of the 
nonsense that
goes on in those places.
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From rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com  Fri Sep  2 18:47:02 2016
From: rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com (andrew edgcumbe)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 14:47:02 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] nfb and stuff
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References: <57c9c7d3.8f87620a.e2300.3d9b@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAGcQ9Ra_dpqssLsJfSp4yg680MA0KtJz4UEcOjudXWJLo3SyDw@mail.gmail.com>

the thing is this i myself  have never had anything to do with nfb simply
because  because I live in canada and there just isn't much of a presence
here in canada and things.  so i know nothing about nfb but the
orginization i been dealing with here in canada is useless i am referring
to cnib though that is the thing.  I have not gotten much help with
computer stuff and  whole lot of training and things I may sound critical
but been trying high and low but no success.

On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 2:40 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi
> I would completely ignore the comments.  Most all of us know how great the
> NFB has been.  It's like if someone were to criticize you and tell you
> things that aren't true about yourself, it might hurt but you just know to
> ignore them.
> Also, for respect of the person who wrote this, I would omit their name
> for posts like this in the future.
> Vejas
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: andrew edgcumbe via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 14:23:35 -0400
> Subject: [nabs-l] nfb and stuff
>
> Hi all hope you all are doing well.  I would never  usually post stuff like
> this but  i been hearing downing comments from this guy in one of the
> blindness  blind penpals  and things facebook group but anyway  he clames
> that  this and that happened and stuff like that maybe some know of him
> already.  and i don't back him at all.  hear is facebook message.
> Jorge Paez
> <https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012172089879&fref=nf&re
> fid=18
> And I help the people I know locally, that's about all I can do.  And the
> NFB doesn't help anyone so don't tell me I'm somehow talking trash about
> people who are actually helping because I have verrifiable sources and the
> NFB helps no one.  And no, I will not reveal my sources for privacy and
> confidentiality reasons as everything I recieved I recieved in confidence
> from well placed sources.  And before you can say I'm not keeping
> secrets--I
> never revealed the actual incidents, just my awareness of the nonsense that
> goes on in those places.
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Fri Sep  2 19:05:38 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 12:05:38 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] nfb and stuff
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	<CAGcQ9Ra_dpqssLsJfSp4yg680MA0KtJz4UEcOjudXWJLo3SyDw@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Andrew,
My best suggesttion for you would be to research the three NFB training centers. There is one in Louisiana, one in Minnesota and one in Colorado. Then, depending on which one you would like to go to, or if you are still interested in all of them, contact the directors of the centers. They should be very helpful. I attended the Louisiana Center for the Blind and we had an instructor and a student from Canada, as well as students from Poland and Iceland. I can't tell you that it will be a smooth process, but unless you try you will never know, and if you really want it it will happen eventually.
Vejas 

> On Sep 2, 2016, at 11:47, andrew edgcumbe via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> the thing is this i myself  have never had anything to do with nfb simply
> because  because I live in canada and there just isn't much of a presence
> here in canada and things.  so i know nothing about nfb but the
> orginization i been dealing with here in canada is useless i am referring
> to cnib though that is the thing.  I have not gotten much help with
> computer stuff and  whole lot of training and things I may sound critical
> but been trying high and low but no success.
> 
> On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 2:40 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>> Hi
>> I would completely ignore the comments.  Most all of us know how great the
>> NFB has been.  It's like if someone were to criticize you and tell you
>> things that aren't true about yourself, it might hurt but you just know to
>> ignore them.
>> Also, for respect of the person who wrote this, I would omit their name
>> for posts like this in the future.
>> Vejas
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: andrew edgcumbe via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 14:23:35 -0400
>> Subject: [nabs-l] nfb and stuff
>> 
>> Hi all hope you all are doing well.  I would never  usually post stuff like
>> this but  i been hearing downing comments from this guy in one of the
>> blindness  blind penpals  and things facebook group but anyway  he clames
>> that  this and that happened and stuff like that maybe some know of him
>> already.  and i don't back him at all.  hear is facebook message.
>> Jorge Paez
>> <https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012172089879&fref=nf&re
>> fid=18
>> And I help the people I know locally, that's about all I can do.  And the
>> NFB doesn't help anyone so don't tell me I'm somehow talking trash about
>> people who are actually helping because I have verrifiable sources and the
>> NFB helps no one.  And no, I will not reveal my sources for privacy and
>> confidentiality reasons as everything I recieved I recieved in confidence
>> from well placed sources.  And before you can say I'm not keeping
>> secrets--I
>> never revealed the actual incidents, just my awareness of the nonsense that
>> goes on in those places.
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> NABS-L:
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>> tion%40gmail.com
>> 
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From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Fri Sep  2 19:29:24 2016
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 19:29:24 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] nfb and stuff
In-Reply-To: <81FFDD46-61BB-4D89-8928-4C5A9C2B8E1D@gmail.com>
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Isn't the Chris Cole rehabilitation center, and in that the training center as well? I would definitely think so. My question is, why do y'all leave that one out and include all the other ones.
Joseph Hudson
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On Sep 2, 2016, at 2:05 PM, Vejas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

Hi Andrew,
My best suggesttion for you would be to research the three NFB training centers. There is one in Louisiana, one in Minnesota and one in Colorado. Then, depending on which one you would like to go to, or if you are still interested in all of them, contact the directors of the centers. They should be very helpful. I attended the Louisiana Center for the Blind and we had an instructor and a student from Canada, as well as students from Poland and Iceland. I can't tell you that it will be a smooth process, but unless you try you will never know, and if you really want it it will happen eventually.
Vejas

On Sep 2, 2016, at 11:47, andrew edgcumbe via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

the thing is this i myself  have never had anything to do with nfb simply
because  because I live in canada and there just isn't much of a presence
here in canada and things.  so i know nothing about nfb but the
orginization i been dealing with here in canada is useless i am referring
to cnib though that is the thing.  I have not gotten much help with
computer stuff and  whole lot of training and things I may sound critical
but been trying high and low but no success.

On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 2:40 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

Hi
I would completely ignore the comments.  Most all of us know how great the
NFB has been.  It's like if someone were to criticize you and tell you
things that aren't true about yourself, it might hurt but you just know to
ignore them.
Also, for respect of the person who wrote this, I would omit their name
for posts like this in the future.
Vejas


----- Original Message -----
From: andrew edgcumbe via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date sent: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 14:23:35 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] nfb and stuff

Hi all hope you all are doing well.  I would never  usually post stuff like
this but  i been hearing downing comments from this guy in one of the
blindness  blind penpals  and things facebook group but anyway  he clames
that  this and that happened and stuff like that maybe some know of him
already.  and i don't back him at all.  hear is facebook message.
Jorge Paez
<https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012172089879&fref=nf&re
fid=18
And I help the people I know locally, that's about all I can do.  And the
NFB doesn't help anyone so don't tell me I'm somehow talking trash about
people who are actually helping because I have verrifiable sources and the
NFB helps no one.  And no, I will not reveal my sources for privacy and
confidentiality reasons as everything I recieved I recieved in confidence
from well placed sources.  And before you can say I'm not keeping
secrets--I
never revealed the actual incidents, just my awareness of the nonsense that
goes on in those places.
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From nelsonsam68 at gmail.com  Fri Sep  2 19:35:17 2016
From: nelsonsam68 at gmail.com (Sam Nelson)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 14:35:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] problems I'm having with braille sense plus
Message-ID: <01b101d20551$22a3dda0$67eb98e0$@gmail.com>

Hi everyone, 

 I'm currently using a braille sense plus that someone gave to me a couple
years ago and I haven't used since it came in because my braillenote was
fine. Now it's been worked on for a couple weeks I need to use this as a
backup. Have never used anything but the braillenote mpower. Anyway am
having trouble with the on switch. It  doesn't seem to want to turn on. It
only turns on by hitting the reset button it will turn off though. Any
thoughts? 

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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Fri Sep  2 20:32:47 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 13:32:47 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] nfb and stuff
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No, Chris Cole is not an NFB training center. From what I understand knowing 2 people who live in Texas that were encouraged to go, the expectations are considerably lower than these of the NFB training centers and although people are successful, they are not required to do as much.
Vejas  

> On Sep 2, 2016, at 12:29, Joseph Hudson via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Isn't the Chris Cole rehabilitation center, and in that the training center as well? I would definitely think so. My question is, why do y'all leave that one out and include all the other ones.
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> On Sep 2, 2016, at 2:05 PM, Vejas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> My best suggesttion for you would be to research the three NFB training centers. There is one in Louisiana, one in Minnesota and one in Colorado. Then, depending on which one you would like to go to, or if you are still interested in all of them, contact the directors of the centers. They should be very helpful. I attended the Louisiana Center for the Blind and we had an instructor and a student from Canada, as well as students from Poland and Iceland. I can't tell you that it will be a smooth process, but unless you try you will never know, and if you really want it it will happen eventually.
> Vejas
> 
> On Sep 2, 2016, at 11:47, andrew edgcumbe via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
> 
> the thing is this i myself  have never had anything to do with nfb simply
> because  because I live in canada and there just isn't much of a presence
> here in canada and things.  so i know nothing about nfb but the
> orginization i been dealing with here in canada is useless i am referring
> to cnib though that is the thing.  I have not gotten much help with
> computer stuff and  whole lot of training and things I may sound critical
> but been trying high and low but no success.
> 
> On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 2:40 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
> 
> Hi
> I would completely ignore the comments.  Most all of us know how great the
> NFB has been.  It's like if someone were to criticize you and tell you
> things that aren't true about yourself, it might hurt but you just know to
> ignore them.
> Also, for respect of the person who wrote this, I would omit their name
> for posts like this in the future.
> Vejas
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: andrew edgcumbe via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date sent: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 14:23:35 -0400
> Subject: [nabs-l] nfb and stuff
> 
> Hi all hope you all are doing well.  I would never  usually post stuff like
> this but  i been hearing downing comments from this guy in one of the
> blindness  blind penpals  and things facebook group but anyway  he clames
> that  this and that happened and stuff like that maybe some know of him
> already.  and i don't back him at all.  hear is facebook message.
> Jorge Paez
> <https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012172089879&fref=nf&re
> fid=18
> And I help the people I know locally, that's about all I can do.  And the
> NFB doesn't help anyone so don't tell me I'm somehow talking trash about
> people who are actually helping because I have verrifiable sources and the
> NFB helps no one.  And no, I will not reveal my sources for privacy and
> confidentiality reasons as everything I recieved I recieved in confidence
> from well placed sources.  And before you can say I'm not keeping
> secrets--I
> never revealed the actual incidents, just my awareness of the nonsense that
> goes on in those places.
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Fri Sep  2 22:13:50 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 22:13:50 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB and stuff
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Hello Andrew,

It is not clear to me from your writing style if you have questions about the NFB or if you are simply passing along gossip that should not be posted to this email list. If you are posting a Face Book comment from someone else, you should know that posting personal information about someone else besides yourself is against the list guidelines for the NABS email list. However, if you have questions about the NFB, please feel free to post them in a manner that is respectful to everyone on the NABS email list.

Thanks,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, September 02, 2016 2:24 PM
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Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] nfb and stuff

Hi all hope you all are doing well. I would never  usually post stuff like this but  i been hearing downing comments from this guy in one of the blindness  blind penpals  and things facebook group but anyway  he clames that  this and that happened and stuff like that maybe some know of him already.  and i don't back him at all. hear is facebook message.
Jorge Paez
<https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012172089879&fref=nf&refid=18>
And I help the people I know locally, that's about all I can do. And the NFB doesn't help anyone so don't tell me I'm somehow talking trash about people who are actually helping because I have verrifiable sources and the NFB helps no one. And no, I will not reveal my sources for privacy and confidentiality reasons as everything I recieved I recieved in confidence from well placed sources. And before you can say I'm not keeping secrets--I never revealed the actual incidents, just my awareness of the nonsense that goes on in those places.
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From mkvnfb94 at gmail.com  Sat Sep  3 00:19:01 2016
From: mkvnfb94 at gmail.com (Mariya Vasileva)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 19:19:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB and stuff
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Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 2, 2016, at 17:13, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Andrew,
> 
> It is not clear to me from your writing style if you have questions about the NFB or if you are simply passing along gossip that should not be posted to this email list. If you are posting a Face Book comment from someone else, you should know that posting personal information about someone else besides yourself is against the list guidelines for the NABS email list. However, if you have questions about the NFB, please feel free to post them in a manner that is respectful to everyone on the NABS email list.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of andrew edgcumbe via NABS-L
> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2016 2:24 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] nfb and stuff
> 
> Hi all hope you all are doing well. I would never  usually post stuff like this but  i been hearing downing comments from this guy in one of the blindness  blind penpals  and things facebook group but anyway  he clames that  this and that happened and stuff like that maybe some know of him already.  and i don't back him at all. hear is facebook message.
> Jorge Paez
> <https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012172089879&fref=nf&refid=18>
> And I help the people I know locally, that's about all I can do. And the NFB doesn't help anyone so don't tell me I'm somehow talking trash about people who are actually helping because I have verrifiable sources and the NFB helps no one. And no, I will not reveal my sources for privacy and confidentiality reasons as everything I recieved I recieved in confidence from well placed sources. And before you can say I'm not keeping secrets--I never revealed the actual incidents, just my awareness of the nonsense that goes on in those places.
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Um excuse me! But he just had some spelling errors! I myself and the people that responded understood him just fine despite the mistakes. Also, if this was truly a facebook post from him or someone else, it would have been clearly indicated. Look at the message written to find out the real meaning of it before throwing out unnecessary and ludicrous assumptions like that. Just being brutally honest.

From shannoncantan.nfb at gmail.com  Sat Sep  3 01:47:13 2016
From: shannoncantan.nfb at gmail.com (Shannon Cantan)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 15:47:13 -1000
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB and stuff
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Greetings,  I am shutting this thread down. If there are any further questions, you can reach out to me, any of the other list moderators, or President Kathryn Webster.

Thank you for your contributions.

Shannon KS Cantan

> On Sep 2, 2016, at 2:19 PM, Mariya Vasileva via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 2, 2016, at 17:13, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Andrew,
>> 
>> It is not clear to me from your writing style if you have questions about the NFB or if you are simply passing along gossip that should not be posted to this email list. If you are posting a Face Book comment from someone else, you should know that posting personal information about someone else besides yourself is against the list guidelines for the NABS email list. However, if you have questions about the NFB, please feel free to post them in a manner that is respectful to everyone on the NABS email list.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Elizabeth
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of andrew edgcumbe via NABS-L
>> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2016 2:24 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] nfb and stuff
>> 
>> Hi all hope you all are doing well. I would never  usually post stuff like this but  i been hearing downing comments from this guy in one of the blindness  blind penpals  and things facebook group but anyway  he clames that  this and that happened and stuff like that maybe some know of him already.  and i don't back him at all. hear is facebook message.
>> Jorge Paez
>> <https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012172089879&fref=nf&refid=18>
>> And I help the people I know locally, that's about all I can do. And the NFB doesn't help anyone so don't tell me I'm somehow talking trash about people who are actually helping because I have verrifiable sources and the NFB helps no one. And no, I will not reveal my sources for privacy and confidentiality reasons as everything I recieved I recieved in confidence from well placed sources. And before you can say I'm not keeping secrets--I never revealed the actual incidents, just my awareness of the nonsense that goes on in those places.
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> Um excuse me! But he just had some spelling errors! I myself and the people that responded understood him just fine despite the mistakes. Also, if this was truly a facebook post from him or someone else, it would have been clearly indicated. Look at the message written to find out the real meaning of it before throwing out unnecessary and ludicrous assumptions like that. Just being brutally honest.
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From rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com  Sat Sep  3 12:20:46 2016
From: rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com (andrew edgcumbe)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 08:20:46 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] nfb in canada
Message-ID: <CAGcQ9RahpdPGTOZ0gCYRHFhdzHU-NK9LS-KRJG1ruH+iyFiZPw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all just had a question does anybody know if  nfb is active in canada at
all? I never hear anything and stuff like that.   I am from ontario Canada
actually.

From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Sat Sep  3 12:39:00 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2016 08:39:00 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] nfb in canada
Message-ID: <57cac47e.c12d810a.66789.b4c5@mx.google.com>

Andrew, the NFB is a United States organization.

 ----- Original Message -----
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Subject: [nabs-l] nfb in canada

Hi all just had a question does anybody know if  nfb is active in 
canada at
all? I never hear anything and stuff like that.   I am from 
ontario Canada
actually.
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From rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com  Sat Sep  3 12:49:22 2016
From: rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com (andrew edgcumbe)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 08:49:22 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] nfb in canada
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is cfb not under the nfb at all cfb.ca that is?

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> Andrew, the NFB is a United States organization.
>
>
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> Subject: [nabs-l] nfb in canada
>
> Hi all just had a question does anybody know if  nfb is active in canada at
> all? I never hear anything and stuff like that.   I am from ontario Canada
> actually.
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Sat Sep  3 13:05:25 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2016 09:05:25 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] nfb in canada
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I'm fairly certain that's a separate organization not part of the 
NFB.  The NFB only has 52 affiliates--those in the 50 states plus 
the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico.

 ----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb in canada

is cfb not under the nfb at all cfb.ca that is?

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nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Andrew, the NFB is a United States organization.


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 Subject: [nabs-l] nfb in canada

 Hi all just had a question does anybody know if  nfb is active 
in canada at
 all? I never hear anything and stuff like that.   I am from 
ontario Canada
 actually.
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From rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com  Sat Sep  3 13:08:52 2016
From: rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com (andrew edgcumbe)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 09:08:52 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] nfb in canada
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they sure act like they are anyway that is that is what i wonder like a
canadian portioned of it that is located in british columbia.

On Sat, Sep 3, 2016 at 9:05 AM, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> I'm fairly certain that's a separate organization not part of the NFB.
> The NFB only has 52 affiliates--those in the 50 states plus the District of
> Columbia and Puerto Rico.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: andrew edgcumbe via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 08:49:22 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb in canada
>
> is cfb not under the nfb at all cfb.ca that is?
>
> On Sat, Sep 3, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Andrew, the NFB is a United States organization.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 08:20:46 -0400
> Subject: [nabs-l] nfb in canada
>
> Hi all just had a question does anybody know if  nfb is active in canada at
> all? I never hear anything and stuff like that.   I am from ontario Canada
> actually.
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sat Sep  3 16:08:34 2016
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2016 12:08:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Putting Nfb Newsline Mobile on my IPad
Message-ID: <57caf5bb.82a5810a.a5ad6.cbb4@mx.google.com>

Dear Students,

I hope you are doing well.  I know that the Nfb Newsline mobile 
app is for the IPhone but I was wondering if it is possible to 
put it on my IPad also.


From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sat Sep  3 16:36:31 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 16:36:31 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB in Canada
Message-ID: <SN1PR12MB0159FA4D5585A3E495C3425EBAE40@SN1PR12MB0159.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Hello Andrew,

I do not know of any official affiliates or chapters of the NFB in Canada. However, depending on how close you live to the boarder of United States and Canada, perhaps you could become involved in one of the local chapters or affiliates that are close to the border between the united States and Canada.

for example, someone from Canada recently inquired about becoming a part of the Detroit chapter here in Michigan because this person does not live too far from Detroit somewhere in Canada. Although, even if you do not live close enough to Detroit to join in on the monthly chapter meetings, perhaps you may wish to consider joining us for our state convention this year. It will be held in Southfield, which is a suburb of Detroit, the weekend of November 4, 5, and 6, 2016. If you need help with transportation once you get to Detroit, there are members of our state affiliate who would be more than willing to help you out with transportation if it is needed.

Likewise, I do not know how far away you live from Buffalo, New York, but perhaps this might be another possibility for becoming involved with the NFB as someone who lives in Canada. And again, attending the New York state convention may also be a possibility if they are holding it some place in upstate New York.

I am not familiar with all of the crossings between the United States and Canada. However, if neither one of these points of entry into the United States work well for you, let us know, and we can help you get connected to a local chapter or state affiliate that would be the closest to you. There are also some good local chapters and state affiliates in Ohio and Pennsylvania, but I am not quite sure where the crossings are located between the United States and Canada for these two states.

Anyway, I hope you find this information to be useful. And even if you cannot find a way to get connected to a local chapter or state affiliate, there is always national convention. There are several people who attend national convention from other countries, and there is an international section of seats among the official state affiliate delegations.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2016 8:21 AM
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Subject: [nabs-l] nfb in canada

Hi all just had a question does anybody know if  nfb is active in canada at
all? I never hear anything and stuff like that.   I am from ontario Canada
actually.
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From zdreicer at gmail.com  Sun Sep  4 04:06:31 2016
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 22:06:31 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Putting Nfb Newsline Mobile on my IPad
In-Reply-To: <57caf5bb.82a5810a.a5ad6.cbb4@mx.google.com>
References: <57caf5bb.82a5810a.a5ad6.cbb4@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <02CAB801-68CF-431E-9205-9723D653D98B@gmail.com>

I don't see a problem with that, it should be able to  install just fine because they're both running iOS and that app was built for iOS.

Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver

> On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:08, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Students,
> 
> I hope you are doing well.  I know that the Nfb Newsline mobile app is for the IPhone but I was wondering if it is possible to put it on my IPad also.
> 
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From jfranks at nfbtx.org  Sun Sep  4 04:23:21 2016
From: jfranks at nfbtx.org (Jonathan Franks)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 23:23:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Putting Nfb Newsline Mobile on my IPad
In-Reply-To: <02CAB801-68CF-431E-9205-9723D653D98B@gmail.com>
References: <57caf5bb.82a5810a.a5ad6.cbb4@mx.google.com>
	<02CAB801-68CF-431E-9205-9723D653D98B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3FCF88AB-F30D-4397-B33E-FCE04A955DA0@nfbtx.org>

Yes,
What ever the app is compatible with, it should install just fine and work just with no issue.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 3, 2016, at 11:06 PM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I don't see a problem with that, it should be able to  install just fine because they're both running iOS and that app was built for iOS.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver
> 
>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:08, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Students,
>> 
>> I hope you are doing well.  I know that the Nfb Newsline mobile app is for the IPhone but I was wondering if it is possible to put it on my IPad also.
>> 
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From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Sun Sep  4 15:59:10 2016
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe)
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2016 11:59:10 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Sero, a Great Supplement to Your Studies
Message-ID: <009c01d206c5$46d788a0$d48699e0$@gmail.com>

Hello,

A couple weeks ago the list was talking about college parties and finding
the right balance between studies and socializing. Well, regardless of your
position, everyone enjoys information and entertainment from the convenience
of a single app. Outside of my full-time gig, I am a contractor with Serotek
Corp, and I thought you might be interested in learning about this app you
may find could help balance the crazy stress of school.

Sero, the new generation of SAMNet, is Serotek's renowned Internet Community
that delivers the widest and most complete content ever assembled for the
blind. With access to email, news, described audio entertainment blogs,
podcasts, streaming radio and much more, you will have everything your
digital lifestyle craves.

Product Highlights

* Remotely communicate with your home computer. 
* Provide remote training and support to any Serotek software user. 
* Quickly tap into user forums organized by special interest. 
* Create and maintain a blog and personal website in a few simple steps. 
* Access important files away from your desk. 

Still with me so far? OK, hang on a little longer.

Sero is the world's largest consolidation of entertainment and social
networking. Built with the blind and visually impaired in mind, the system
is completely accessible. Your monthly or annual subscription unlocks
thousands of Internet radio stations, personalized news, blogging, a
personal web site, forums, chat rooms, and e-mail.

As a subscriber you will also receive services designed specifically for
System Access. These include remote control of your home computer, and our
innovative Remote Training and Support feature. With Remote Training and
Support, for example, users can connect to each others' computers to provide
training and technical assistance or work simultaneously on a document or
project. No other assistive technology provides this degree of functionality
from the convenience of a single subscription.

The Sero beta program ends tomorrow, Labor Day. It would be worth your
signing up for it, because until the program ends, you'll have free access
to all the features of the service. Since you have a little time off, you
can kick the tires and see if it's something you would enjoy using. Also,
for new customers using the beta program, you can get a discount for the
service moving forward, $99 a year.

If you think you might be even remotely interested, learn more about the
update and beta program here:

http://www.serotek.com/blog_sero_the_mother_of_all_updates

Best,

Joe

--
Musings of a Work in Progress:
www.JoeOrozco.com/

Twitter: @ScribblingJoe





From annajee82 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  5 02:16:28 2016
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2016 20:16:28 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Colorado Association of Blind Students NFL
 Survivor Pool
References: <8B872444-91CD-49CA-97C1-069491D06542@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8A3AE093-89D2-4CF3-8672-C9BCCF97EC64@gmail.com>

This is a reminder and an invitation to participate in our football pool.  The payment deadline is this coming Wednesday, September 7. We appreciate your support.
Below is the text about the fundraiser, how you can help, and win your own cash!

> Greetings, The Colorado Association of Blind Students once again is hosting an NFL survivor pool.
> In brief, the way this works is each week you pick one team to win their game per week. If they win you move on and if they lose you get a strike. Two strikes and you're out.  
> There is a one time entrance fee of $20. Fifty percent of the proceeds will go to the Colorado Association of Blind Students, 40% of the proceeds will go to the winner and the remaining 10% will go to the individual who finishes in second place.
> The attached document contains a more in-depth description of the pool as well as all of the rules. Please read this in its entirety so there aren’t any surprises.
> If you wish to participate please email Cody Bair at codyjbair at yahoo.com and let him know (1) that you would like to participate and (2) which method you plan to use to make your payment.
> Entries will be accepted until Wednesday September 7.
> If you have further questions please don’t hesitate to reach out to me or Cody.
> 
> 
> Anna E Givens,
> President, 
> Colorado Association of Blind Students
> 
> annajee82 at gmail.com
> 

From zdreicer at gmail.com  Wed Sep  7 05:08:44 2016
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 00:08:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of McGraw-Hill online products
Message-ID: <E0532C3D-53E4-410B-BD38-AB779F23D284@gmail.com>

 Good morning fellow  federationists
  I am in a general chemistry class this semester that requires online homework and exams through McGraw-Hill and I think the specific product is there connect plus. I am finding it impossible to answer the questions asked on the homework assignments so far, using a MacBook Pro 13 inch with the latest software and operating system OS X El Capitan. Has anyone on any operating system been able to use McGraw-Hill connect plus online interface to successfully complete homework and exams for class? As of that time I'm writing this, I am 100% reliant on a classmate to help me through these assignments, which is not in the least ideal. Except for the fact that it reinforces the material for him, I feel that I am not able to get as good an understanding of the material. If the product is not accessible, can someone in the list perhaps help me to communicate with McGraw-Hill about their software? Or is this strictly based on the instructor choosing questions?   

P.s. Thanks to those of you who answered my previous question about partying it up while in college, my host family took me to a party but it was not anything to do with my school. Maybe one day under the right circumstances I will go to a school party. 


Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver

From emitchell927 at gmail.com  Wed Sep  7 05:44:09 2016
From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 01:44:09 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Jaws ocr keys?
Message-ID: <6AD2AD91-566E-4DD4-B69F-E6A629357184@gmail.com>

Dear everyone which keys preform ocr in jaws?
Thank you,

Emma
Member of national association of blind students Maryland and Pennsylvania a division of the national federation of the blind 
Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS

From jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com  Wed Sep  7 13:20:56 2016
From: jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com (Jason Polansky)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 09:20:56 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Jaws ocr keys?
In-Reply-To: <6AD2AD91-566E-4DD4-B69F-E6A629357184@gmail.com>
References: <6AD2AD91-566E-4DD4-B69F-E6A629357184@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5CEB3D80-AAF5-4586-B20F-9670F4771F4A@gmail.com>

I think it's insert spacebar together and then O 

> On Sep 7, 2016, at 1:44 AM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear everyone which keys preform ocr in jaws?
> Thank you,
> 
> Emma
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> Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Sep  7 13:41:47 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 09:41:47 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Jaws ocr keys?
In-Reply-To: <5CEB3D80-AAF5-4586-B20F-9670F4771F4A@gmail.com>
References: <6AD2AD91-566E-4DD4-B69F-E6A629357184@gmail.com>
	<5CEB3D80-AAF5-4586-B20F-9670F4771F4A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001d2090d$94c2e0b0$be48a210$@gmail.com>

Insert spacebar o then d for document.  There is some other commands like s
for screen and a few others.  But, to read a document with ocr, insert
spacebar on then d.
 
-----Original Message-----
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via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 9:21 AM
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Cc: Jason Polansky <jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Jaws ocr keys?

I think it's insert spacebar together and then O 

> On Sep 7, 2016, at 1:44 AM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> Dear everyone which keys preform ocr in jaws?
> Thank you,
> 
> Emma
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> Pennsylvania a division of the national federation of the blind Member 
> of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS 
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From Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu  Wed Sep  7 21:56:30 2016
From: Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte (Student))
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 21:56:30 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Communications Committee meeting
Message-ID: <2DF75D9D-D167-490C-9070-19EA5EE7EF61@mainex1.asu.edu>

Greetings NABS,

I would like to invite you all to the NABS Communications committee meeting that will be taking place this Sunday, September 11, at 7pm Eastern time. During the meeting we will be going over the committees plans for the year, how to get involved, and time for suggestions on how to keep our information relevant and beneficial for our students. To join the meeting call in to the NABS ConferenceLine at:
605-475-6700
Use pin: 7869673#

Thank you all, and we look forward to our discussion this Sunday.

Bryan Duarte software engineer
ASU Computer Science Ph.D candidate
National Association of Blind Students Board Member
Communications Committee Chair
QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/

“let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.”
-- St. Teresa of Avila


From emitchell927 at gmail.com  Wed Sep  7 22:21:37 2016
From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 18:21:37 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Communications Committee meeting
In-Reply-To: <2DF75D9D-D167-490C-9070-19EA5EE7EF61@mainex1.asu.edu>
References: <2DF75D9D-D167-490C-9070-19EA5EE7EF61@mainex1.asu.edu>
Message-ID: <4816C584-6033-4CBB-A1B1-70A88338515B@gmail.com>

I will be there!

Emma
Member of national association of blind students Maryland and Pennsylvania a division of the national federation of the blind 
Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS

> On Sep 7, 2016, at 5:56 PM, Bryan Duarte (Student) via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Greetings NABS,
> 
> I would like to invite you all to the NABS Communications committee meeting that will be taking place this Sunday, September 11, at 7pm Eastern time. During the meeting we will be going over the committees plans for the year, how to get involved, and time for suggestions on how to keep our information relevant and beneficial for our students. To join the meeting call in to the NABS ConferenceLine at:
> 605-475-6700
> Use pin: 7869673#
> 
> Thank you all, and we look forward to our discussion this Sunday.
> 
> Bryan Duarte software engineer
> ASU Computer Science Ph.D candidate
> National Association of Blind Students Board Member
> Communications Committee Chair
> QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/
> 
> “let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.”
> -- St. Teresa of Avila
> 
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From ahc43 at drexel.edu  Thu Sep  8 00:40:05 2016
From: ahc43 at drexel.edu (Alex Cohen)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 20:40:05 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Doctoral Student Finishing Dissertation - Need Your
 Help! Please!
Message-ID: <003a01d20969$8b7125b0$a2537110$@drexel.edu>

Good Evening Everyone,

 

My name is Alex Cohen and I am a Ph.D. Candidate in marketing at Drexel
University working hard to complete my dissertation.

I need some help getting participants for the final study, and I would be
grateful for your kind assistance. It will only take a few minutes. I
promise!

 

This is a two in one study where vision impaired participants answer
questions about online accessibility issues, and normally sighted
participants answer questions about negative word of mouth regarding
accessibility issues. As a "thank you" for your participation, a $2 donation
will be made to the vision impairment organization of your choice (including
the NFB). Blind and vision impaired participants are encouraged to share
this link with other blind and vision impaired individuals, and three or
four normally sighted people you know who would be willing to participate in
a five minute research survey. 

Please contact Alex Cohen at ahc43 at drexel.edu with any questions or
comments. Thank You! The link below will remain active until the targeted
number of responses is received.

Please use the following link to begin the survey.
https://drexel.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_abBLThH3nfhmyxv

 

Warmest Personal Regards,

 

Alex Cohen

Ph.D. Candidate

Marketing Department

LeBow College of Business

Drexel University 

 


From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Thu Sep  8 18:10:11 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2016 11:10:11 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Popup Blockers
Message-ID: <57d1a9ad.c5e8420a.e40d5.7f7a@mx.google.com>

Hi All,
I am trying to complete an assignment with my IPhone, but I 
cannot complete it because it states that a popup blocker is 
preventing me from opening the page I need.  It also says "Please 
disable popup blockers for this site", but I can't find a disable 
button anywhere (I figured it wouldn't be that easy).
Does anyone know how to disable this?
Vejas


From GCazares at nfb.org  Fri Sep  9 12:17:00 2016
From: GCazares at nfb.org (Cazares, Gabe)
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 12:17:00 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of McGraw-Hill online products
In-Reply-To: <E0532C3D-53E4-410B-BD38-AB779F23D284@gmail.com>
References: <E0532C3D-53E4-410B-BD38-AB779F23D284@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BN6PR17MB1156F54603846CD847DC3DADDEFA0@BN6PR17MB1156.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Zach,

Unfortunately, your experience is not uncommon when it comes to McGraw-Hill products. All of the McGraw-Hill products that I encountered as a student, and that I have heard of in my current role, have presented significant accessibility barriers for blind students.

Let's touch base off-list to talk about the specifics of your current situation, and brainstorm some ideas on moving forward.
Thanks,

...Gabe

Gabe Cazares
Government Affairs Specialist
National Federation of the Blind
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Baltimore, MD 21230
E: gcazares at nfb.org
O: (410) 659-9314 Ext. 2206
C: (281) 965-9583
T: @gmcazares

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.

Make a gift to the National Federation of the Blind and help ensure all blind Americans live the lives they want.


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 1:09 AM
To: cabs at nfbnet.org; iabs-talk at nfbnet.org; Kevan Worley via Colorado-Talk; Lin H. via IL-Talk; David Andrews via Nabs-L
Cc: Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of McGraw-Hill online products

 Good morning fellow  federationists
  I am in a general chemistry class this semester that requires online homework and exams through McGraw-Hill and I think the specific product is there connect plus. I am finding it impossible to answer the questions asked on the homework assignments so far, using a MacBook Pro 13 inch with the latest software and operating system OS X El Capitan. Has anyone on any operating system been able to use McGraw-Hill connect plus online interface to successfully complete homework and exams for class? As of that time I'm writing this, I am 100% reliant on a classmate to help me through these assignments, which is not in the least ideal. Except for the fact that it reinforces the material for him, I feel that I am not able to get as good an understanding of the material. If the product is not accessible, can someone in the list perhaps help me to communicate with McGraw-Hill about their software? Or is this strictly based on the instructor choosing questions?   

P.s. Thanks to those of you who answered my previous question about partying it up while in college, my host family took me to a party but it was not anything to do with my school. Maybe one day under the right circumstances I will go to a school party. 


Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 10 04:33:09 2016
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 22:33:09 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of McGraw-Hill online products
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR17MB1156F54603846CD847DC3DADDEFA0@BN6PR17MB1156.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
References: <E0532C3D-53E4-410B-BD38-AB779F23D284@gmail.com>
	<BN6PR17MB1156F54603846CD847DC3DADDEFA0@BN6PR17MB1156.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <9D20BE89-8846-46E9-8E55-0624BB95969C@gmail.com>

Zach,
The best option I have come across, especially with a class like general chemistry is to work with your professor to come up with an alternate assignment that involves meeting with the professor and or tutor or TA of some sort while working on it.  Connect is not very accessible. And especially inaccessible with the material you will be looking at in this class.  It is entirely unfair that the students get to have an interactive learning environment on the site, get to work at it at their own time and pace.  And based on how your instructor set it up, students can usually get hints, tutorials, and direct access to relevant sections of the book when they are having trouble figuring out a question.  I tried doing this using a reader, but it was just too hard to keep a schedule for as much time as I needed.  So the best option, for me anyway, is to make sure to work with the professor to make sure you are getting similar assignments with similar interactive and tutorial possibilities while working on the assignment.  This is more work for the professor, however it is not your fault the department has chosen to use exclusive technology.

Anna E Givens


> On Sep 9, 2016, at 6:17 AM, Cazares, Gabe via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Zach,
> 
> Unfortunately, your experience is not uncommon when it comes to McGraw-Hill products. All of the McGraw-Hill products that I encountered as a student, and that I have heard of in my current role, have presented significant accessibility barriers for blind students.
> 
> Let's touch base off-list to talk about the specifics of your current situation, and brainstorm some ideas on moving forward.
> Thanks,
> 
> ...Gabe
> 
> Gabe Cazares
> Government Affairs Specialist
> National Federation of the Blind
> 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place
> Baltimore, MD 21230
> E: gcazares at nfb.org
> O: (410) 659-9314 Ext. 2206
> C: (281) 965-9583
> T: @gmcazares
> 
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
> 
> Make a gift to the National Federation of the Blind and help ensure all blind Americans live the lives they want.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 1:09 AM
> To: cabs at nfbnet.org; iabs-talk at nfbnet.org; Kevan Worley via Colorado-Talk; Lin H. via IL-Talk; David Andrews via Nabs-L
> Cc: Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer
> Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of McGraw-Hill online products
> 
> Good morning fellow  federationists
>  I am in a general chemistry class this semester that requires online homework and exams through McGraw-Hill and I think the specific product is there connect plus. I am finding it impossible to answer the questions asked on the homework assignments so far, using a MacBook Pro 13 inch with the latest software and operating system OS X El Capitan. Has anyone on any operating system been able to use McGraw-Hill connect plus online interface to successfully complete homework and exams for class? As of that time I'm writing this, I am 100% reliant on a classmate to help me through these assignments, which is not in the least ideal. Except for the fact that it reinforces the material for him, I feel that I am not able to get as good an understanding of the material. If the product is not accessible, can someone in the list perhaps help me to communicate with McGraw-Hill about their software? Or is this strictly based on the instructor choosing questions?   
> 
> P.s. Thanks to those of you who answered my previous question about partying it up while in college, my host family took me to a party but it was not anything to do with my school. Maybe one day under the right circumstances I will go to a school party. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver
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From Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu  Sat Sep 10 21:31:25 2016
From: Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte (Student))
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 21:31:25 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Communications Committee agenda for September 11, 2016
Message-ID: <FE75D62D-AAF7-4282-902C-24B1E04556B4@mainex1.asu.edu>

Hello NABS,

I would like to invite you to participate in the NABS communications meeting that will be taking place tomorrow evening at 7pm Eastern. To join the meeting please call in to the NABS conference line at:
605-475-6700 and inter passcode 7869673


Below this you will find the agenda for the meeting. Thank you for your participation and we look forward to meeting with you tomorrow night.


Communications Committee agenda for September 11, 2016


Introductions:

  *   Chair and Co chair
  *   current members


Outline current work:

  *   Tech blog
  *   Personal testimony blog
  *   NABS Notes


Strategy for achieving:

  *   Assign members to assignments
  *   Take suggestions
  *   supporting our other committees


Future growth:

  *   Suggestions on new and innovative work
  *

Wrap up:

  *   Final questions and comments




Bryan Duarte software engineer
ASU Computer Science Ph.D candidate
National Association of Blind Students Board Member
QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/

“let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.”
-- St. Teresa of Avila


From bre.brown24 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 11 00:53:19 2016
From: bre.brown24 at gmail.com (Bre Brown)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 19:53:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Membership committee call reminder and agenda
Message-ID: <CACXqA0oYZxp9=U0n7wzvx1fLAkdVdqZ9eAZ99+rCbHec0Hr+Ag@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I just wanted to send a reminder that we will be holding our
membership committee call tomorrow at 8:00 pm eastern time.
To join, call 605-475-6700 and inter passcode 7869673.
I will paste the agenda for the call below.
I look forward to talking to everyone.

Membership Committee Agenda 09-11

*Introductions
*Membership calls for September and November
*Resource gathering for webpage
*Potential project ideas
*Questions/comments
*Adjournment

Thanks
Bre Brown


From annajee82 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 11 02:11:28 2016
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 20:11:28 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Colorado Association of Blind Students conference call
Message-ID: <9644EA07-7E53-415C-9F76-498B114B9F16@gmail.com>

As a reminder, the Colorado Association of Blind Students will be holding our conference call tomorrow, Sunday, Sept 11 at 7:00 PM mtn. Join us to discuss our upcoming  NFBCO state convention and see what's happening in the division.  We need your help and input.  Please let us know what we can do for you.

Call in info is as follows:
(605) 475-6006
Access code:
587726

Looking forward to talking to you all tomorrow.

Anna E Givens,
President,
Colorado Association of Blind Students

annajee82 at gmail.com
402-817-8934



From emitchell927 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 11 03:23:12 2016
From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 23:23:12 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Communications Committee agenda for September 11, 2016
In-Reply-To: <FE75D62D-AAF7-4282-902C-24B1E04556B4@mainex1.asu.edu>
References: <FE75D62D-AAF7-4282-902C-24B1E04556B4@mainex1.asu.edu>
Message-ID: <859F3B37-C954-49F2-9E46-6CEE3F8B59F1@gmail.com>

I will be there!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 10, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Bryan Duarte (Student) via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello NABS,
> 
> I would like to invite you to participate in the NABS communications meeting that will be taking place tomorrow evening at 7pm Eastern. To join the meeting please call in to the NABS conference line at:
> 605-475-6700 and inter passcode 7869673
> 
> 
> Below this you will find the agenda for the meeting. Thank you for your participation and we look forward to meeting with you tomorrow night.
> 
> 
> Communications Committee agenda for September 11, 2016
> 
> 
> Introductions:
> 
>  *   Chair and Co chair
>  *   current members
> 
> 
> Outline current work:
> 
>  *   Tech blog
>  *   Personal testimony blog
>  *   NABS Notes
> 
> 
> Strategy for achieving:
> 
>  *   Assign members to assignments
>  *   Take suggestions
>  *   supporting our other committees
> 
> 
> Future growth:
> 
>  *   Suggestions on new and innovative work
>  *
> 
> Wrap up:
> 
>  *   Final questions and comments
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Bryan Duarte software engineer
> ASU Computer Science Ph.D candidate
> National Association of Blind Students Board Member
> QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/
> 
> “let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.”
> -- St. Teresa of Avila
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 11 04:15:13 2016
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 22:15:13 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Correction: Colorado Association of Blind Students
 conference call
Message-ID: <518ECFA2-9322-4269-BAF2-B9F3BE342A8C@gmail.com>

My greatest apologies!
The call mentioned previously is at 7:30 mtn, not 7.
... It's been a long day, y'all!  :)

Please see the following:

As a reminder, the Colorado Association of Blind Students will be holding our conference call tomorrow, Sunday, Sept 11 at 7:30 PM mtn. Join us to discuss our upcoming  NFBCO state convention and see what's happening in the division.  We need your help and input.  Please let us know what we can do for you.

Call in info is as follows:
(605) 475-6006
Access code:
587726

Looking forward to talking to you all tomorrow.

Anna E Givens,
President,
Colorado Association of Blind Students

annajee82 at gmail.com

402-817-8934



From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 11 15:43:59 2016
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 11:43:59 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Email Address for David Andrews
Message-ID: <57d57bcb.c3a0810a.d366.7b6f@mx.google.com>

Can someone please send me an email address for David Andrews? I 
would like to email him about something.


From nabs.president at gmail.com  Sun Sep 11 16:02:43 2016
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (NABS President)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 12:02:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Email Address for David Andrews
In-Reply-To: <57d57bcb.c3a0810a.d366.7b6f@mx.google.com>
References: <57d57bcb.c3a0810a.d366.7b6f@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <0622DA95-B594-48FE-9A75-85D355D6C08A@gmail.com>

Dandrews at nfb.org

Kathryn Webster
President, National Association of Blind Students
(203) 273-8463
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 11, 2016, at 11:43 AM, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Can someone please send me an email address for David Andrews? I would like to email him about something.
> 
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 11 22:43:06 2016
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 18:43:06 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for braille files of mezzo soprano/soprano theatre
 pieces
Message-ID: <CAFja7FZX-Or1t0dQAtBVoqePap4F+XnzwF0ApmX7go+K2wBHDw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I've already posted this to lists including perform-talk and menvi
etc, but I'm looking around for any musical theatre pieces for a
soprano or mezzo soprano singer.  I don't think I have access to the
transcriber I've gone to for years so while I'm sorting that out I'm
still looking for anything other voice students in high school,
college, etc might have I can bring to my voice lessons.  Thanks in
advance for any files anyone can send me off list.  Though I mention
specific titles my voice professor thought would be good for me, I'd
be open to getting anything so I can take it to him this week and see
what he thinks of trying it.

Here's the original post:
Hi all,

I'm looking around for any files I can find of musical theatre pieces
for a soprano or mezzo singer.  My voice teacher is doing a lot of
repertoire with me this semester that is in the pop genres (because
I'm a music therapy major) and so I suggested doing some musical
theatre both because I have an interest in that music and because it
might help a bit with teaching me to be a little more expressive when
I play and sing.

His suggestions included Nothing from A Chorus Line and My New
Philosophy from You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown, but since I've sung
the latter before the one we're really hoping to find is Schroeder.
This musical theatre piece will probably be what I end up singing at a
recital for voice students who are not majoring in voice for their
primary instrument at the end of the semester.  I think the acting in
both Nothing and Schroeder is flexible enough that I could get some
good expression out of those pieces, and it will help us cover that
base in addition to the work on my music therapy rep and the Italian
piece he's picked out for me.

Thanks in advance.  I don't currently have a bard account so any
resources would be appreciated.



-- 
Kaiti Shelton


From emitchell927 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 11 23:14:43 2016
From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:14:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] tonights call
Message-ID: <735F4857-D263-4D3D-A7E8-BF6A78AEC309@gmail.com>

HI everyone,
I unfortunately will not be able to make the call I forgot my phone at home while visiting my parents this weekend.
Can someone email me what is discussed? Sorry I am willing to do anything to help on the committees.
Sincerely, 
Emma
 

From piano.girl0299 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 12 00:18:07 2016
From: piano.girl0299 at gmail.com (Kelsey Nicolay)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 20:18:07 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] brailliant bi
Message-ID: <57d5f471.c739c80a.fa8d4.a850@mx.google.com>

  Hello,
I have a Brailliant Bi 40 that I use for work.  I read online
that it is not possible for a screen reader user to independently
update the firmware because the screen reader cannot be running
while performing the update.  Therefore, if anyone uses a
Brailliant, is there a way someone who uses JAWS could update
their firmware or is what I read correct?
Thank you,
Kelsey Nicolay


From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 12 00:26:43 2016
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:26:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] brailliant bi
In-Reply-To: <57d5f471.c739c80a.fa8d4.a850@mx.google.com>
References: <57d5f471.c739c80a.fa8d4.a850@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <7C083945-9B95-4DEA-B0EC-D11E9DD0C36F@gmail.com>

This is only true if the Brailliant is paired with the screen reader and displaying text at the time. Otherwise, it can be done accessibly. Just use a different screen reader or force JAWS to forget the Brailliant.
Aleeha 
> On Sep 11, 2016, at 7:18 PM, Kelsey Nicolay via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I have a Brailliant Bi 40 that I use for work.  I read online
> that it is not possible for a screen reader user to independently
> update the firmware because the screen reader cannot be running
> while performing the update.  Therefore, if anyone uses a
> Brailliant, is there a way someone who uses JAWS could update
> their firmware or is what I read correct?
> Thank you,
> Kelsey Nicolay
> 
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From dandrews at visi.com  Mon Sep 12 00:28:20 2016
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:28:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Email Address for David Andrews
In-Reply-To: <57d57bcb.c3a0810a.d366.7b6f@mx.google.com>
References: <57d57bcb.c3a0810a.d366.7b6f@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000065429315@mailfront2.g2host.com>

David.andrews at nfbnet.org

At 10:43 AM 9/11/2016, you wrote:
>Can someone please send me an email address for David Andrews? I 
>would like to email him about something.



From dandrews at visi.com  Mon Sep 12 00:28:39 2016
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:28:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Email Address for David Andrews
In-Reply-To: <0622DA95-B594-48FE-9A75-85D355D6C08A@gmail.com>
References: <57d57bcb.c3a0810a.d366.7b6f@mx.google.com>
	<0622DA95-B594-48FE-9A75-85D355D6C08A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000066037341@mailfront1.g2host.com>

No correct.

Dave

At 11:02 AM 9/11/2016, you wrote:
>Dandrews at nfb.org
>
>Kathryn Webster
>President, National Association of Blind Students
>(203) 273-8463
>Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 11, 2016, at 11:43 AM, roanna bacchus via NABS-L 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Can someone please send me an email address for David Andrews? I 
> would like to email him about something.
> >
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> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Mon Sep 12 00:42:03 2016
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:42:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] tonights call
In-Reply-To: <735F4857-D263-4D3D-A7E8-BF6A78AEC309@gmail.com>
References: <735F4857-D263-4D3D-A7E8-BF6A78AEC309@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0E014BC4-087F-4195-ABD5-2C1DE3F25DC3@gmail.com>

No problem, Emma. I took notes for the membership committee meeting, and they will be sent out soon.

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 11, 2016, at 6:14 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> HI everyone,
> I unfortunately will not be able to make the call I forgot my phone at home while visiting my parents this weekend.
> Can someone email me what is discussed? Sorry I am willing to do anything to help on the committees.
> Sincerely, 
> Emma
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From lucysirianni at gmail.com  Mon Sep 12 01:46:02 2016
From: lucysirianni at gmail.com (Lucy Sirianni)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 18:46:02 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] VoiceOver and the latest iOS update
Message-ID: <57d60911.d152620a.d6fef.3f2f@mx.google.com>

Hi all,

I just updated my iPhone to the latest version of iOS (9.3.5), 
and it seems to have changed the VoiceOver voice.  Is there a way 
to change it back to what it was before the update, and if so, 
how do I do this?

Also, is there a way to adjust the speech rates by increments 
lower than 10%?

Thanks in advance!

Lucy

Lucy Sirianni
Doctoral Candidate and Graduate Student Instructor, Department of 
English, University of California, Berkeley
Vice President of Inclusive Excellence and Social Action, Lydia 
Maria Child Society


From kestomberg at coe.edu  Mon Sep 12 03:31:52 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 22:31:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] VoiceOver and the latest iOS update
In-Reply-To: <57d60911.d152620a.d6fef.3f2f@mx.google.com>
References: <57d60911.d152620a.d6fef.3f2f@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <AE01424E-F83F-4227-B182-9011B0DA3C03@coe.edu>

I was wondering the same thing!

I am glad it's not just me. I can't stand the new voice! I don't know how to change it in voice over settings. Does anyone know?

Kennedy Stomberg 
(218)295-2391 

> On Sep 11, 2016, at 8:46 PM, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just updated my iPhone to the latest version of iOS (9.3.5), and it seems to have changed the VoiceOver voice.  Is there a way to change it back to what it was before the update, and if so, how do I do this?
> 
> Also, is there a way to adjust the speech rates by increments lower than 10%?
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> Lucy
> 
> Lucy Sirianni
> Doctoral Candidate and Graduate Student Instructor, Department of English, University of California, Berkeley
> Vice President of Inclusive Excellence and Social Action, Lydia Maria Child Society
> 
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From jameyanne at gmail.com  Mon Sep 12 03:47:21 2016
From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 23:47:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] VoiceOver and the latest iOS update
In-Reply-To: <AE01424E-F83F-4227-B182-9011B0DA3C03@coe.edu>
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If you go to accessibility, voiceover, speech, you can choose the default
dialect. There are lots of voices to choose from with various accents, male
and female. But I don't think you can change the voice back.

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STOMBERG via NABS-L
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Cc: KENNEDY STOMBERG <kestomberg at coe.edu>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] VoiceOver and the latest iOS update

I was wondering the same thing!

I am glad it's not just me. I can't stand the new voice! I don't know how to
change it in voice over settings. Does anyone know?

Kennedy Stomberg 
(218)295-2391 

> On Sep 11, 2016, at 8:46 PM, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just updated my iPhone to the latest version of iOS (9.3.5), and it
seems to have changed the VoiceOver voice.  Is there a way to change it back
to what it was before the update, and if so, how do I do this?
> 
> Also, is there a way to adjust the speech rates by increments lower than
10%?
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> Lucy
> 
> Lucy Sirianni
> Doctoral Candidate and Graduate Student Instructor, Department of English,
University of California, Berkeley
> Vice President of Inclusive Excellence and Social Action, Lydia Maria
Child Society
> 
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 12 12:46:36 2016
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 08:46:36 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] VoiceOver and the latest iOS update
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Hi all,

I updated to IOS 9.3.5 a while ago and experienced no change in voiceover.
Can you describe how the voice is different to help those of us who did not
see a change troubleshoot?

If going to settings>general>accessibility>voiceover doesn't fix the
problem and describing the change doesn't help those who didn't have a
change troubleshoot I would call Apple. Their tech support has always been
really helpful to me.

As for speech rate adjustments, if you have speech rate in your roter you
can adjust the rate by increments of 5 percent. I use 95 percent for my
rate, for example. No clue why you can be more precise there than in
settings, but it works.

Hth.


On Sunday, September 11, 2016, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> If you go to accessibility, voiceover, speech, you can choose the default
> dialect. There are lots of voices to choose from with various accents, male
> and female. But I don't think you can change the voice back.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>] On Behalf
> Of KENNEDY
> STOMBERG via NABS-L
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 11:32 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> <javascript:;>>
> Cc: KENNEDY STOMBERG <kestomberg at coe.edu <javascript:;>>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] VoiceOver and the latest iOS update
>
> I was wondering the same thing!
>
> I am glad it's not just me. I can't stand the new voice! I don't know how
> to
> change it in voice over settings. Does anyone know?
>
> Kennedy Stomberg
> (218)295-2391
>
> > On Sep 11, 2016, at 8:46 PM, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I just updated my iPhone to the latest version of iOS (9.3.5), and it
> seems to have changed the VoiceOver voice.  Is there a way to change it
> back
> to what it was before the update, and if so, how do I do this?
> >
> > Also, is there a way to adjust the speech rates by increments lower than
> 10%?
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
> > Lucy
> >
> > Lucy Sirianni
> > Doctoral Candidate and Graduate Student Instructor, Department of
> English,
> University of California, Berkeley
> > Vice President of Inclusive Excellence and Social Action, Lydia Maria
> Child Society
> >
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-- 
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From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Mon Sep 12 12:57:09 2016
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 07:57:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] printing assignments
Message-ID: <57d6a64c.c8169d0a.b6740.e534@mx.google.com>

Hello NABS,

I am entering my fourth week of college and am absolutely loving 
it. Most of my professors let us submit assignments via email or 
on Blackboard, but I have ONE professor who insists on having 
hard copies. I don't have a printer in my dorm room (something 
I'll definitely be investing in ASAP), but I need a strategy in 
the meantime for a paper due Wednesday. The library computers 
don't have screen readers, so I can't use them independently. I 
was thinking I'd just one of the library workers for help, but if 
anyone has any better ideas, shoot them my way. Hope all of you 
are well.

Yours,
Sophie


From annita.co.usa at gmail.com  Mon Sep 12 13:20:07 2016
From: annita.co.usa at gmail.com (Anya Avramenko)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 07:20:07 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] printing assignments
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Sophie,
I would insist that since your are unable to print your assignments due to
inaccessible computers, you should be able to just send them to your
professor.
If  he wants his hard copy so bad, ask him to go to the library and help you
do it.
I'm almost done with college, and I never had to deal with such problem. I
just told my professors that I would e-mail them my stuff.
Good luck!
A

-----Original Message-----
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via NABS-L
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 6:57 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Sophie Trist
Subject: [nabs-l] printing assignments

Hello NABS,

I am entering my fourth week of college and am absolutely loving it. Most of
my professors let us submit assignments via email or on Blackboard, but I
have ONE professor who insists on having hard copies. I don't have a printer
in my dorm room (something I'll definitely be investing in ASAP), but I need
a strategy in the meantime for a paper due Wednesday. The library computers
don't have screen readers, so I can't use them independently. I was thinking
I'd just one of the library workers for help, but if anyone has any better
ideas, shoot them my way. Hope all of you are well.

Yours,
Sophie

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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 12 14:07:35 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 14:07:35 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] printing assignments
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Hello Sophie,

It is good to hear that your experience in college is going well so far. Here are some ideas you may wish to try for printing hard copies of assignments for your professor.

First, you could try using NVDA on the library computers to make them accessible. This is a free screen reader that you can load onto a computer from a thumb drive. However, not everyone is comfortable or has the time to learn a new screen reader. Therefore, this may or may not be an option for you.

Another option you could try is to see if you can print documents on the printers in the library from your own computer. If they are wireless printers, you may be able to connect to them from your own computer. Someone from the library or the technology department on campus should be able to tell you whether or not this is possible, and if so, they should be able to assist you in setting up the printer connection on your computer.

I would try other options before asking the professor to allow you to simply email the assignments to him or her. Although this is definitely a reasonable accommodation, I feel as though others see me as more of an equal when I am able to find a way to do something that fits the style of the professor rather than simply defaulting to asking for an accommodation. 

We still live in a world that relies on print, and some people prefer hard copy print rather than electronic print. I do not see any reason why a blind student cannot produce an assignment in hard copy print if this is what the professor wants.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 8:57 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] printing assignments

Hello NABS,

I am entering my fourth week of college and am absolutely loving it. Most of my professors let us submit assignments via email or on Blackboard, but I have ONE professor who insists on having hard copies. I don't have a printer in my dorm room (something I'll definitely be investing in ASAP), but I need a strategy in the meantime for a paper due Wednesday. The library computers don't have screen readers, so I can't use them independently. I was thinking I'd just one of the library workers for help, but if anyone has any better ideas, shoot them my way. Hope all of you are well.

Yours,
Sophie

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From syedrizvinfb at gmail.com  Mon Sep 12 14:38:04 2016
From: syedrizvinfb at gmail.com (Syed Rizvi)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 09:38:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] printing assignments
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Hey Sofe, 
Hope alls well. The IT department at my school settup a computer in our library so i can print, perhaps an email to IT and student disability services can make this possible for you as well. good luck

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2016, at 7:57 AM, Sophie Trist via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello NABS,
> 
> I am entering my fourth week of college and am absolutely loving it. Most of my professors let us submit assignments via email or on Blackboard, but I have ONE professor who insists on having hard copies. I don't have a printer in my dorm room (something I'll definitely be investing in ASAP), but I need a strategy in the meantime for a paper due Wednesday. The library computers don't have screen readers, so I can't use them independently. I was thinking I'd just one of the library workers for help, but if anyone has any better ideas, shoot them my way. Hope all of you are well.
> 
> Yours,
> Sophie
> 
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From lucysirianni at gmail.com  Mon Sep 12 15:20:54 2016
From: lucysirianni at gmail.com (Lucy Sirianni)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 10:20:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] VoiceOver and the latest iOS update
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	<AE01424E-F83F-4227-B182-9011B0DA3C03@coe.edu>
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Hi all, and thanks for the responses! It turns out that performing the
update changed my default voice from "Samantha" to "Samantha
enhanced." You can change it back to the original, non-enhanced
"Samantha" voice (which I think is much better quality) by going to
Settings, General, Accessibility, VoiceOver, then Speech.

Hope this helps someone other than myself!

Lucy

On 9/12/16, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I updated to IOS 9.3.5 a while ago and experienced no change in voiceover.
> Can you describe how the voice is different to help those of us who did not
> see a change troubleshoot?
>
> If going to settings>general>accessibility>voiceover doesn't fix the
> problem and describing the change doesn't help those who didn't have a
> change troubleshoot I would call Apple. Their tech support has always been
> really helpful to me.
>
> As for speech rate adjustments, if you have speech rate in your roter you
> can adjust the rate by increments of 5 percent. I use 95 percent for my
> rate, for example. No clue why you can be more precise there than in
> settings, but it works.
>
> Hth.
>
>
> On Sunday, September 11, 2016, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> If you go to accessibility, voiceover, speech, you can choose the default
>> dialect. There are lots of voices to choose from with various accents,
>> male
>> and female. But I don't think you can change the voice back.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>] On Behalf
>> Of KENNEDY
>> STOMBERG via NABS-L
>> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 11:32 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> <javascript:;>>
>> Cc: KENNEDY STOMBERG <kestomberg at coe.edu <javascript:;>>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] VoiceOver and the latest iOS update
>>
>> I was wondering the same thing!
>>
>> I am glad it's not just me. I can't stand the new voice! I don't know how
>> to
>> change it in voice over settings. Does anyone know?
>>
>> Kennedy Stomberg
>> (218)295-2391
>>
>> > On Sep 11, 2016, at 8:46 PM, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L
>> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> <javascript:;>>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I just updated my iPhone to the latest version of iOS (9.3.5), and it
>> seems to have changed the VoiceOver voice.  Is there a way to change it
>> back
>> to what it was before the update, and if so, how do I do this?
>> >
>> > Also, is there a way to adjust the speech rates by increments lower
>> > than
>> 10%?
>> >
>> > Thanks in advance!
>> >
>> > Lucy
>> >
>> > Lucy Sirianni
>> > Doctoral Candidate and Graduate Student Instructor, Department of
>> English,
>> University of California, Berkeley
>> > Vice President of Inclusive Excellence and Social Action, Lydia Maria
>> Child Society
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > NABS-L mailing list
>> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>
>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>
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>
>
> --
> Kaiti Shelton
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From mausbun at unr.edu  Mon Sep 12 18:42:08 2016
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 18:42:08 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Legislative Committee meeting
Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B012EEC03@UBOX1.unr.edu>

Hello Everyone,
NABS will be holding its second legislative committee meeting Thursday, Sep. 15 at 9:00 Eastern time. It is not too late to join the committee. Bring your enthusiasm for legislative action!
Call in number: (605) 475-6700
Access code: 7869673
Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun


National Association of Blind Students,
A proud Division of the National Federation of the Blind
Legislative Agenda

(1)	Called to order
(2)	Updates from the committee
(3)	Washington Seminar
(4)	Call for letters
(5)	Questions, Comments, and thoughts
(6)	Meeting Adjourned


From kenia.flores101 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 12 21:19:18 2016
From: kenia.flores101 at gmail.com (Kenia Flores)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 16:19:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Outlook
Message-ID: <CAFKMa7Fe1-ybiLCUbEWj4T6CsnZRASxs0gLkgpooDOQn+GhRnw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I hope you are all doing well and have had a great school year so far.
I am a freshman in college. My school uses outlook and I don't have
much experience with it. I looked up some JAWS commands, but I am
still having trouble attaching documents to emails. Does anyone have
any advice or know how to attach documents? All is appreciated. Thank
you.

--
Best,
Kenia Flores
Secretary, North Carolina Association of Blind Students


From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 12 21:24:18 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 17:24:18 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Outlook
In-Reply-To: <CAFKMa7Fe1-ybiLCUbEWj4T6CsnZRASxs0gLkgpooDOQn+GhRnw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFKMa7Fe1-ybiLCUbEWj4T6CsnZRASxs0gLkgpooDOQn+GhRnw@mail.gmail.com>
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You can copy and paste the documents like you would text in word, or from
one folder toanother.  
Justin

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Cc: Kenia Flores <kenia.flores101 at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Outlook

Hi all,

I hope you are all doing well and have had a great school year so far.
I am a freshman in college. My school uses outlook and I don't have much
experience with it. I looked up some JAWS commands, but I am still having
trouble attaching documents to emails. Does anyone have any advice or know
how to attach documents? All is appreciated. Thank you.

--
Best,
Kenia Flores
Secretary, North Carolina Association of Blind Students

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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 12 22:21:52 2016
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 18:21:52 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Outlook
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Hi, Here is how I do it. I'm using NVDA. To attach a file to an email: 1. find the file you'd like to attach
2. press "control c to copy the file, then navigate to your message in outlook. from anywhere in the body of the message, press "control v to paste."
I hope this helps. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2016, at 5:19 PM, Kenia Flores via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I hope you are all doing well and have had a great school year so far.
> I am a freshman in college. My school uses outlook and I don't have
> much experience with it. I looked up some JAWS commands, but I am
> still having trouble attaching documents to emails. Does anyone have
> any advice or know how to attach documents? All is appreciated. Thank
> you.
> 
> --
> Best,
> Kenia Flores
> Secretary, North Carolina Association of Blind Students
> 
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From kidbrailler at aol.com  Mon Sep 12 23:09:37 2016
From: kidbrailler at aol.com (Alonza Harris)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 19:09:37 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Outlook
In-Reply-To: <CAFKMa7Fe1-ybiLCUbEWj4T6CsnZRASxs0gLkgpooDOQn+GhRnw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <5A6355EE-77C8-4003-A799-C2BB571BE5D9@aol.com>

Is it 2013 you're using? If so, there are a few ways to do this with JFW. I do the the following:
•In the message you're composing, press Alt+n to access the insert tab, and press the tab key until JAWS says: "attach file button."
•Once you have pressed the spacebar, thus activating the button, a search pain will appear. Here, you can search for your file, or if you kmow where your file, simply navigate to the location of said file.
•When you find your file, simply shift+tab back to the open button.
If you have any questions, please feel free to email me off-list.
Yours



Alonza.

> On Sep 12, 2016, at 17:19, Kenia Flores via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I hope you are all doing well and have had a great school year so far.
> I am a freshman in college. My school uses outlook and I don't have
> much experience with it. I looked up some JAWS commands, but I am
> still having trouble attaching documents to emails. Does anyone have
> any advice or know how to attach documents? All is appreciated. Thank
> you.
> 
> --
> Best,
> Kenia Flores
> Secretary, North Carolina Association of Blind Students
> 
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From kenia.flores101 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 00:29:05 2016
From: kenia.flores101 at gmail.com (Kenia Flores)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 19:29:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Outlook
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References: <CAFKMa7Fe1-ybiLCUbEWj4T6CsnZRASxs0gLkgpooDOQn+GhRnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<5A6355EE-77C8-4003-A799-C2BB571BE5D9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAFKMa7GBkFL3ZogAXoGR4U12254Y-h44aQGvNtMcMqjDUCcviw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

Thank you all for your help. Alonza, I tried your directions and it
worked. Thank you!

Best,
Kenia

On 9/12/16, Alonza Harris via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Is it 2013 you're using? If so, there are a few ways to do this with JFW. I
> do the the following:
> •In the message you're composing, press Alt+n to access the insert tab, and
> press the tab key until JAWS says: "attach file button."
> •Once you have pressed the spacebar, thus activating the button, a search
> pain will appear. Here, you can search for your file, or if you kmow where
> your file, simply navigate to the location of said file.
> •When you find your file, simply shift+tab back to the open button.
> If you have any questions, please feel free to email me off-list.
> Yours
>
>
>
> Alonza.
>
>> On Sep 12, 2016, at 17:19, Kenia Flores via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I hope you are all doing well and have had a great school year so far.
>> I am a freshman in college. My school uses outlook and I don't have
>> much experience with it. I looked up some JAWS commands, but I am
>> still having trouble attaching documents to emails. Does anyone have
>> any advice or know how to attach documents? All is appreciated. Thank
>> you.
>>
>> --
>> Best,
>> Kenia Flores
>> Secretary, North Carolina Association of Blind Students
>>
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Sincerely,
Kenia Flores


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 01:15:07 2016
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 21:15:07 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] printing assignments
In-Reply-To: <62FC1824-B84B-46F9-A5F1-F6033268FEA1@gmail.com>
References: <57d6a64c.c8169d0a.b6740.e534@mx.google.com>
	<62FC1824-B84B-46F9-A5F1-F6033268FEA1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FbL5TTQb3v=jSPt_W+ywpihZCKxUrjEwQKU2pSKHfHXCw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Sophie,

To echo Elizabeth's suggestion, using NVDA on a flash drive in the
computer lab at the library might be a good shot for now.  I had to do
this myself recently, and although I needed a little sighted
assistance to first get NVDA up and running since a dialogue box
popped up before I got the program to speak, I was able to work on my
own to complete the print job after that.  IF you have the document
ready to go on the flash drive you shouldn't have to do anything
differently with NVDA if you don't know the differences in commands
between NVDA and Jaws.  Even so, they're very similar programs with
only subtle differences in commands for the most part.

I think there are times and places when a blind student should turn in
printed copies of materials.  For example, if I'm in a class and need
to produce copies of music I'm playing from or lyric sheets I'm using
for a music therapy experience I absolutely make the print copies.
However, I do try to minimize the amount of printed paper in my life
just because for me it's an organizational nightmare.  My university
found that it was a reasonable accommodation for me to submit all work
electronically, as it allows me to keep much better track of
assignments on the computer/notetaker.  If you think about it, if the
laptop/notetakers are our pencil and paper, it makes sense that we'd
have a better time organizing electronic files rather than print
paperwork.  Not everyone can afford KNFB Reader or other OCR
applications, but even then it can be a hastle scanning everything
multiple times to get all the information about what the paper is, and
if it's handwritten you have to get sighted assistance.  I try to just
use my best judgment and give printed paperwork when it seems fair or
necessary for me to print it out, but generally since it has been
added to my letter professors have understood the rationale behind
this accommodation and haven't had an issue with it where weekly
homework, papers, and contributions to group work are concerned.

Thanks,

On 9/12/16, Syed Rizvi via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hey Sofe,
> Hope alls well. The IT department at my school settup a computer in our
> library so i can print, perhaps an email to IT and student disability
> services can make this possible for you as well. good luck
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 12, 2016, at 7:57 AM, Sophie Trist via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello NABS,
>>
>> I am entering my fourth week of college and am absolutely loving it. Most
>> of my professors let us submit assignments via email or on Blackboard, but
>> I have ONE professor who insists on having hard copies. I don't have a
>> printer in my dorm room (something I'll definitely be investing in ASAP),
>> but I need a strategy in the meantime for a paper due Wednesday. The
>> library computers don't have screen readers, so I can't use them
>> independently. I was thinking I'd just one of the library workers for
>> help, but if anyone has any better ideas, shoot them my way. Hope all of
>> you are well.
>>
>> Yours,
>> Sophie
>>
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-- 
Kaiti Shelton


From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Tue Sep 13 01:25:13 2016
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 01:25:13 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] printing assignments
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Message-ID: <DM5PR06MB292266F625C5B2689590A3E8CEFE0@DM5PR06MB2922.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Sophie, congratulations. Do you have your own laptop? If you do, I recommend taking it to the library and printing out your work that way if you are able to access their wireless printer
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On Sep 12, 2016, at 7:57 AM, Sophie Trist via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

Hello NABS,

I am entering my fourth week of college and am absolutely loving it. Most of my professors let us submit assignments via email or on Blackboard, but I have ONE professor who insists on having hard copies. I don't have a printer in my dorm room (something I'll definitely be investing in ASAP), but I need a strategy in the meantime for a paper due Wednesday. The library computers don't have screen readers, so I can't use them independently. I was thinking I'd just one of the library workers for help, but if anyone has any better ideas, shoot them my way. Hope all of you are well.

Yours,
Sophie

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From emitchell927 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 02:10:50 2016
From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 22:10:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Windows 10 mail attachments and jaws?
Message-ID: <018DC6D5-C761-4110-BE87-7927443445EE@gmail.com>

Hello everyone is there a way to download attachments in windows 10 mail application with jaws? I am on a mac running a boot up of windows 10 with jaws as my screen reader given to me by Pennsylvania blind and visual services.
Thank you, Emma

Sent from my iPhone

From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 04:53:55 2016
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 23:53:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] printing assignments
In-Reply-To: <57d6a64c.c8169d0a.b6740.e534@mx.google.com>
References: <57d6a64c.c8169d0a.b6740.e534@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <06de01d20d7a$d51155e0$7f3401a0$@gmail.com>

Hey Sophie:

I'm so glad to hear that your college experience is going well so far! It
seems that you have already gotten a number of great suggestions in response
to your question. One which may not yet have been considered, however, is
the prospect of printing your assignment from your iPhone. If the printers
in your library have wireless functionality, you could go to the library,
connect to their network and print the file from your phone. If you're doing
the assignment on your PC, you may need to email it to yourself or save it
in Dropbox in order to open it on your phone, but this would certainly be
easier than messing with an inaccessible library computer. You may also be
able to connect your PC to one of the library printers if the printer in
question is set up as a network printer. If all else fails, I don't think
it's unreasonable to request (with the support of DSS, of course) that your
professor accept emailed assignments from you. If he prefers to grade
assignments in hardcopy form, as some teachers do, I would remind him that
he can very easily open an attachment, clik "Print," and have a hardcopy in
front of him ready to be graded.

Good luck,

Chris

P.S. Sorry I was out of town during your time here in Ruston. Hope you can
come back up here soon!

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist
via NABS-L
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:57 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] printing assignments

Hello NABS,

I am entering my fourth week of college and am absolutely loving it. Most of
my professors let us submit assignments via email or on Blackboard, but I
have ONE professor who insists on having hard copies. I don't have a printer
in my dorm room (something I'll definitely be investing in ASAP), but I need
a strategy in the meantime for a paper due Wednesday. The library computers
don't have screen readers, so I can't use them independently. I was thinking
I'd just one of the library workers for help, but if anyone has any better
ideas, shoot them my way. Hope all of you are well.

Yours,
Sophie

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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 12:00:54 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 08:00:54 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] printing assignments
Message-ID: <57d7eaa6.4c4f810a.dcaee.74de@mx.google.com>

Another thing you might consider is printing somewhere other than 
the library.  At my school, DSS would print things for me for 
instance.  There are also often computer labs at which one can 
print, and they usually have at least one accessible computer.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 23:53:55 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] printing assignments

Hey Sophie:

I'm so glad to hear that your college experience is going well so 
far! It
seems that you have already gotten a number of great suggestions 
in response
to your question. One which may not yet have been considered, 
however, is
the prospect of printing your assignment from your iPhone. If the 
printers
in your library have wireless functionality, you could go to the 
library,
connect to their network and print the file from your phone. If 
you're doing
the assignment on your PC, you may need to email it to yourself 
or save it
in Dropbox in order to open it on your phone, but this would 
certainly be
easier than messing with an inaccessible library computer. You 
may also be
able to connect your PC to one of the library printers if the 
printer in
question is set up as a network printer. If all else fails, I 
don't think
it's unreasonable to request (with the support of DSS, of course) 
that your
professor accept emailed assignments from you. If he prefers to 
grade
assignments in hardcopy form, as some teachers do, I would remind 
him that
he can very easily open an attachment, clik "Print," and have a 
hardcopy in
front of him ready to be graded.

Good luck,

Chris

P.S. Sorry I was out of town during your time here in Ruston. 
Hope you can
come back up here soon!

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Sophie Trist
via NABS-L
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:57 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com
Subject: [nabs-l] printing assignments

Hello NABS,

I am entering my fourth week of college and am absolutely loving 
it. Most of
my professors let us submit assignments via email or on 
Blackboard, but I
have ONE professor who insists on having hard copies. I don't 
have a printer
in my dorm room (something I'll definitely be investing in ASAP), 
but I need
a strategy in the meantime for a paper due Wednesday. The library 
computers
don't have screen readers, so I can't use them independently. I 
was thinking
I'd just one of the library workers for help, but if anyone has 
any better
ideas, shoot them my way. Hope all of you are well.

Yours,
Sophie

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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Fri Sep 16 00:20:45 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 17:20:45 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Unable to Send Any Emails on the Braillenote
Message-ID: <C45C0AA1-9C3C-4A46-B006-04B143F33955@gmail.com>

Hi all,
I have had an issue just today where I can no longer send emails on the braillenote. I have 4 email accounts, and had previously never had problems with them. I can receive email but not send. I am guessing that Gmail might have changed their SMPTP server. I have already tried a reset. Anyone else having this problem or could offer any insight?
Thanks,
Vejas 

From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 16 00:59:04 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 20:59:04 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Unable to Send Any Emails on the Braillenote
Message-ID: <57db440e.4646810a.d005d.c302@mx.google.com>

Hi Vejas, Gmail is working fine on my Apex.  I have occasionally
gotten an error message (I believe it's something like error 
11001) when trying to send e-mail, but the problem has usually 
gone away after a while.

HTH,
Karl
 ----- Original Message -----
From: Vejas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 17:20:45 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Unable to Send Any Emails on the Braillenote

Hi all,
I have had an issue just today where I can no longer send emails 
on the braillenote. I have 4 email accounts, and had previously 
never had problems with them. I can receive email but not send. I 
am guessing that Gmail might have changed their SMPTP server. I 
have already tried a reset. Anyone else having this problem or 
could offer any insight?
Thanks,
Vejas
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From Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu  Fri Sep 16 01:01:56 2016
From: Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte (Student))
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 01:01:56 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS blog posting for September
Message-ID: <EC4D560A-E05C-43AE-9C9C-1F1BB9127E94@mainex1.asu.edu>

Greetings NABS,

I would like to share with you the blog post for September. This months blog is featuring Holly who is 22 years old and was born and raised in the UK. Read along with us to find out how Holly went from an outgoing confident girl to someone who was afraid to be herself in public. They say love can walk through fire without blinking, and for Holly love allowed her to achieve her dreams.

Follow this link to read the full story.
http://nabslink.org/content/love-and-rebuilding

Thank you and enjoy

Bryan Duarte software engineer
ASU Computer Science Ph.D candidate
National Association of Blind Students Board Member
QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/

“let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.”
-- St. Teresa of Avila


From discoduck221 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 16 01:15:23 2016
From: discoduck221 at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 21:15:23 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A Problem That Needs To Be Put Out Here
Message-ID: <CA+Wnc9RNBES6Q-W6bOB+QQSfWzi8FXy57eQshPY612Z3o-G=kg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All!
I'm sorry to have to do this, but I have to wonder if I'm the only
person this has happened to, so it needs to be asked.
Has anyone else who paid ten dollars for the tools for success thumb
drive not received their drive?
I know I didn't get my drive, and when I contacted the people in
charge of this project after two weeks of not receiving mine, I was
told it would be looked in to, but have heard nothing since, and they
didn't even have a tracking number to track the shipment.
I'm sorry, but when you run a fund raiser of this kind, you have to
have a way to track stuff like this, so if a package isn't received,
it can be traced so we know where the package is. I realize it's a
pain to have to keep all those records, but that's just the
responsible thing to do when you're sending out thumb drives all over
the country and taking money from people. And if that required more
than one person to be involved, I'm sure there are people on here who
would gladly step up and help the project. But a fund raiser that
doesn't deliver what people pay for is no good.
I actually wanted to use this toolkit, as I am about to embark on some
new ventures in my life, one of which will make me a student again,
and really felt some of the info on it could have been useful.
But if nothing is done soon, I will be filing a claim for the 10 dollars.
So I hope I'm not the only one who has experienced this, and if I'm
not, others should speak out.
All the best,
David Dunphy


From Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu  Fri Sep 16 01:27:39 2016
From: Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte (Student))
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 01:27:39 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] A Problem That Needs To Be Put Out Here
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References: <CA+Wnc9RNBES6Q-W6bOB+QQSfWzi8FXy57eQshPY612Z3o-G=kg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0F833FB3-32AE-489E-AEE3-E3EE4B9321A7@mainex1.asu.edu>

Hello David,

Thank you for calling this to our attention. I am very sorry this has happened to you and I assure you I will make sure you have your Student Success Kit as soon as possible. I would like to ask you to email me off list at bjduarte at asu.edu<mailto:bjduarte at asu.edu> and I will have your SSTK sent out tomorrow personally. Again I would like to sincerely apologize for the confusion and frustration but we will make this right.



Bryan Duarte software engineer
ASU Computer Science Ph.D candidate
National Association of Blind Students Board Member
QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/

“let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.”
-- St. Teresa of Avila

On Sep 15, 2016, at 6:15 PM, David Dunphy via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

Hi All!
I'm sorry to have to do this, but I have to wonder if I'm the only
person this has happened to, so it needs to be asked.
Has anyone else who paid ten dollars for the tools for success thumb
drive not received their drive?
I know I didn't get my drive, and when I contacted the people in
charge of this project after two weeks of not receiving mine, I was
told it would be looked in to, but have heard nothing since, and they
didn't even have a tracking number to track the shipment.
I'm sorry, but when you run a fund raiser of this kind, you have to
have a way to track stuff like this, so if a package isn't received,
it can be traced so we know where the package is. I realize it's a
pain to have to keep all those records, but that's just the
responsible thing to do when you're sending out thumb drives all over
the country and taking money from people. And if that required more
than one person to be involved, I'm sure there are people on here who
would gladly step up and help the project. But a fund raiser that
doesn't deliver what people pay for is no good.
I actually wanted to use this toolkit, as I am about to embark on some
new ventures in my life, one of which will make me a student again,
and really felt some of the info on it could have been useful.
But if nothing is done soon, I will be filing a claim for the 10 dollars.
So I hope I'm not the only one who has experienced this, and if I'm
not, others should speak out.
All the best,
David Dunphy

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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Fri Sep 16 02:14:20 2016
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (NABS President)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 22:14:20 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A Problem That Needs To Be Put Out Here
In-Reply-To: <CA+Wnc9RNBES6Q-W6bOB+QQSfWzi8FXy57eQshPY612Z3o-G=kg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+Wnc9RNBES6Q-W6bOB+QQSfWzi8FXy57eQshPY612Z3o-G=kg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A99A2EE8-8F41-41C5-93AC-4681E93B7AA9@gmail.com>

Hi David!
  I am so sorry for this confusion. Luke Schwink, our fundraising chair, is heading this project. Have you reached out to him this week? Again, I'm sorry for the inconvenience.
Kathryn 

Kathryn Webster
President, National Association of Blind Students
(203) 273-8463
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2016, at 9:15 PM, David Dunphy via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All!
> I'm sorry to have to do this, but I have to wonder if I'm the only
> person this has happened to, so it needs to be asked.
> Has anyone else who paid ten dollars for the tools for success thumb
> drive not received their drive?
> I know I didn't get my drive, and when I contacted the people in
> charge of this project after two weeks of not receiving mine, I was
> told it would be looked in to, but have heard nothing since, and they
> didn't even have a tracking number to track the shipment.
> I'm sorry, but when you run a fund raiser of this kind, you have to
> have a way to track stuff like this, so if a package isn't received,
> it can be traced so we know where the package is. I realize it's a
> pain to have to keep all those records, but that's just the
> responsible thing to do when you're sending out thumb drives all over
> the country and taking money from people. And if that required more
> than one person to be involved, I'm sure there are people on here who
> would gladly step up and help the project. But a fund raiser that
> doesn't deliver what people pay for is no good.
> I actually wanted to use this toolkit, as I am about to embark on some
> new ventures in my life, one of which will make me a student again,
> and really felt some of the info on it could have been useful.
> But if nothing is done soon, I will be filing a claim for the 10 dollars.
> So I hope I'm not the only one who has experienced this, and if I'm
> not, others should speak out.
> All the best,
> David Dunphy
> 
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From theweird1 at mediacombb.net  Fri Sep 16 09:52:02 2016
From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 04:52:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Problem That Needs To Be Put Out Here
In-Reply-To: khlNbdkLP0eugkhlQbm9z8
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I have not received mine either.  I know the payment as been received.  

Loren 



-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 8:15 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: David Dunphy
Subject: [nabs-l] A Problem That Needs To Be Put Out Here

Hi All!
I'm sorry to have to do this, but I have to wonder if I'm the only person
this has happened to, so it needs to be asked.
Has anyone else who paid ten dollars for the tools for success thumb drive
not received their drive?
I know I didn't get my drive, and when I contacted the people in charge of
this project after two weeks of not receiving mine, I was told it would be
looked in to, but have heard nothing since, and they didn't even have a
tracking number to track the shipment.
I'm sorry, but when you run a fund raiser of this kind, you have to have a
way to track stuff like this, so if a package isn't received, it can be
traced so we know where the package is. I realize it's a pain to have to
keep all those records, but that's just the responsible thing to do when
you're sending out thumb drives all over the country and taking money from
people. And if that required more than one person to be involved, I'm sure
there are people on here who would gladly step up and help the project. But
a fund raiser that doesn't deliver what people pay for is no good.
I actually wanted to use this toolkit, as I am about to embark on some new
ventures in my life, one of which will make me a student again, and really
felt some of the info on it could have been useful.
But if nothing is done soon, I will be filing a claim for the 10 dollars.
So I hope I'm not the only one who has experienced this, and if I'm not,
others should speak out.
All the best,
David Dunphy

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From luke.schwinck at hotmail.com  Fri Sep 16 16:20:43 2016
From: luke.schwinck at hotmail.com (luke schwinck)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 11:20:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Problem That Needs To Be Put Out Here
In-Reply-To: <CA+Wnc9RNBES6Q-W6bOB+QQSfWzi8FXy57eQshPY612Z3o-G=kg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+Wnc9RNBES6Q-W6bOB+QQSfWzi8FXy57eQshPY612Z3o-G=kg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU185-W23AB163CCD1EFC1211EAAEF6F30@phx.gbl>

Hey All,
 
This is Luke Schwinck.  I am the treasurer of NABS and as previously stated by President Webster I am the Fundraising committee chair and responsible for this fundraiser.  I sincerely apologize for the inconvenience that everyone has been experiencing.  Over the last two months we have tried to mail these flashdrives from two different parts of the country.  More often than not the drives are either returned to sender or delivered with the envelope having been ripped open and the drive either missing or severely damaged.  We have also attempted to pad the drives with newspaper during shipment, thinking that this may help the problem.  When that solution failed to rectify the issue I contacted the United States Postal Service to see why this is happening but have not yet received a response.  
 
Thank you for your suggestion of having tracking on these shipments.  While that would be ideal, it is uncommon to purchase tracking for items of such low value and may make the fundraiser unprofitable.  Furthermore having tracking on these packages would most likely still not solve the issue of the envelopes being ripped open.
 
Once again we are very sorry for the inconvenience that everyone has experienced.  Please rest assured that we are doing everything within our power to solve this issue in a timely manner.  Of course we would love to be able to provide helpful materials to our fellow blind students so that we can all be successful in our endeavors, but we are willing to refund your $10 payments if you wish.  I invite anyone who has any further questions, comments, or concerns to contact me directly via my personal email of luke.schwinck at hotmail.com or by phone at (620)717-3122.  We do very much appreciate all of you who have done your part to make this fundraiser a success and please know that we are doing everything we can to do ours.
 
Best Regards,
Luke A. Schwinck
Treasurer
National Association of Blind Students
A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind
 
> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 21:15:23 -0400
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] A Problem That Needs To Be Put Out Here
> From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> CC: discoduck221 at gmail.com
> 
> Hi All!
> I'm sorry to have to do this, but I have to wonder if I'm the only
> person this has happened to, so it needs to be asked.
> Has anyone else who paid ten dollars for the tools for success thumb
> drive not received their drive?
> I know I didn't get my drive, and when I contacted the people in
> charge of this project after two weeks of not receiving mine, I was
> told it would be looked in to, but have heard nothing since, and they
> didn't even have a tracking number to track the shipment.
> I'm sorry, but when you run a fund raiser of this kind, you have to
> have a way to track stuff like this, so if a package isn't received,
> it can be traced so we know where the package is. I realize it's a
> pain to have to keep all those records, but that's just the
> responsible thing to do when you're sending out thumb drives all over
> the country and taking money from people. And if that required more
> than one person to be involved, I'm sure there are people on here who
> would gladly step up and help the project. But a fund raiser that
> doesn't deliver what people pay for is no good.
> I actually wanted to use this toolkit, as I am about to embark on some
> new ventures in my life, one of which will make me a student again,
> and really felt some of the info on it could have been useful.
> But if nothing is done soon, I will be filing a claim for the 10 dollars.
> So I hope I'm not the only one who has experienced this, and if I'm
> not, others should speak out.
> All the best,
> David Dunphy
> 
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From jameyanne at gmail.com  Fri Sep 16 17:29:24 2016
From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:29:24 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] IOS 10
Message-ID: <006b01d2103f$df147690$9d3d63b0$@gmail.com>

Hello all,

I'm wondering if anyone has updated to IOS 10 yet. I have an iPhone 6S, and
it looks like IOS 10 has some pretty drastic changes. If you have upgraded,
I'm interested to know what your thoughts are.

Best,

Jameyanne


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 16 18:20:17 2016
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:20:17 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] IOS 10
Message-ID: <57dc37f5.8349810a.68e1d.2e07@mx.google.com>

I have updated to Ios 10 and it works great.  The only thing is 
it changes your voiceover once you install the update.  It takes 
a while for the update to install on your phone.


From zdreicer at gmail.com  Fri Sep 16 18:42:41 2016
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:42:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] IOS 10
In-Reply-To: <006b01d2103f$df147690$9d3d63b0$@gmail.com>
References: <006b01d2103f$df147690$9d3d63b0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <282E9A27-10D6-4A30-93CA-37109CA9FC95@gmail.com>

I am on an iPhone 6 and liking iOS 10. I had the public beta for a while. I think that for me the most significant change is not being able to double tap on notifications from the home screen and lunch directly into that app that they are involved with

Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver

> On Sep 16, 2016, at 12:29, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I'm wondering if anyone has updated to IOS 10 yet. I have an iPhone 6S, and
> it looks like IOS 10 has some pretty drastic changes. If you have upgraded,
> I'm interested to know what your thoughts are.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Jameyanne
> 
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From jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com  Fri Sep 16 18:52:39 2016
From: jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com (Jason Polansky)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:52:39 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] IOS 10
In-Reply-To: <282E9A27-10D6-4A30-93CA-37109CA9FC95@gmail.com>
References: <006b01d2103f$df147690$9d3d63b0$@gmail.com>
	<282E9A27-10D6-4A30-93CA-37109CA9FC95@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7B0258F0-8B13-4B9D-A63C-AE45F64547CC@gmail.com>

My favorite feature is that it's now easier to organize apps on the homescreen. You also have the option to download more voices. 

> On Sep 16, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I am on an iPhone 6 and liking iOS 10. I had the public beta for a while. I think that for me the most significant change is not being able to double tap on notifications from the home screen and lunch directly into that app that they are involved with
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver
> 
>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 12:29, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I'm wondering if anyone has updated to IOS 10 yet. I have an iPhone 6S, and
>> it looks like IOS 10 has some pretty drastic changes. If you have upgraded,
>> I'm interested to know what your thoughts are.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Jameyanne
>> 
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 16 19:06:43 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:06:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] IOS 10
Message-ID: <57dc42fb.8fd40d0a.5b905.375f@mx.google.com>

I've heard there are serious bugs with bluetooh keyboards, so I'm 
not upgrading till that's fixed.  Why can't you go directly to 
apps with notifications anymore?

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Jason Polansky via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:52:39 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IOS 10

My favorite feature is that it's now easier to organize apps on 
the homescreen. You also have the option to download more voices.

 On Sep 16, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via 
NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 I am on an iPhone 6 and liking iOS 10. I had the public beta for 
a while. I think that for me the most significant change is not 
being able to double tap on notifications from the home screen 
and lunch directly into that app that they are involved with

 Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver

 On Sep 16, 2016, at 12:29, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hello all,

 I'm wondering if anyone has updated to IOS 10 yet. I have an 
iPhone 6S, and
 it looks like IOS 10 has some pretty drastic changes. If you 
have upgraded,
 I'm interested to know what your thoughts are.

 Best,

 Jameyanne

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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 16 19:44:24 2016
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:44:24 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] IOS 10
In-Reply-To: <57dc42fb.8fd40d0a.5b905.375f@mx.google.com>
References: <57dc42fb.8fd40d0a.5b905.375f@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <3F3CA9BE-0844-4DC3-8CD6-F2563B1CD109@gmail.com>

Hi all! How are you all? Yes, I'm experiencing the bugs with my bluetooth keyboard. And I think yes, you can  go to the notification from the lock screen, but I haven't try  that out. Now one of the   problem that  I have is with the  mail app, It is a little difficult to use with displays, it is not accessible. Now one needs  to expand and   collapse the threads inordr to read messages. In my opinion, that is very complicated for braille displays users if they need to read  a lot of email messages   And the delete all button is not there  anymore! If you use a braille display a lot I don't recommend  you to update your phone. But the cool feature that IOS 10 has is that you can change how Voiceover pronounce things and so on. I love the old way in reading email on the mail app. I think we should suggest to apple to gives us a choice in how to read email, one way could be by reading it the way is now set, then we can change to tej old way, but setting it on the mail settings on the settings app. What do you guys think? I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks And God bless!

  Helga Schreiber 
Group Moderator  
 
  for the IPad help for the blind 
 
IPadhelpfortheblind+subscribe at groups.io  

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
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Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
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"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 10    

> On Sep 16, 2016, at 3:06 PM, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I've heard there are serious bugs with bluetooh keyboards, so I'm not upgrading till that's fixed.  Why can't you go directly to apps with notifications anymore?
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jason Polansky via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:52:39 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IOS 10
> 
> My favorite feature is that it's now easier to organize apps on the homescreen. You also have the option to download more voices.
> 
> On Sep 16, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I am on an iPhone 6 and liking iOS 10. I had the public beta for a while. I think that for me the most significant change is not being able to double tap on notifications from the home screen and lunch directly into that app that they are involved with
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver
> 
> On Sep 16, 2016, at 12:29, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I'm wondering if anyone has updated to IOS 10 yet. I have an iPhone 6S, and
> it looks like IOS 10 has some pretty drastic changes. If you have upgraded,
> I'm interested to know what your thoughts are.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Jameyanne
> 
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Fri Sep 16 22:18:44 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:18:44 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] IOS 10
In-Reply-To: <006b01d2103f$df147690$9d3d63b0$@gmail.com>
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Hi
I have IOS 10 and really like it. It did take a while to update as one of you mentioned, and yes I use British VoiceOver so it changed it to the enhanced. I haven't had any issues pairing it with my Apex,  but I am not sure about bluetooth keyboards. The only real bug for me is in the mail app. The person's name pops up on each new line of text on the Braille display, but not VoiceOver. So if I got an email from someone named Anna Smith it would keep popping up like
Anna Smith Hi,
Anna Smith How's it going?
Tried to see if it was a settings mail issue but can't find anything about it. I'm willing to live with it though, at least it's not a much bigger issue.
Vejas 

> On Sep 16, 2016, at 10:29, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I'm wondering if anyone has updated to IOS 10 yet. I have an iPhone 6S, and
> it looks like IOS 10 has some pretty drastic changes. If you have upgraded,
> I'm interested to know what your thoughts are.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Jameyanne
> 
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From emitchell927 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 17 03:06:48 2016
From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 23:06:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] IOS 10
In-Reply-To: <57dc37f5.8349810a.68e1d.2e07@mx.google.com>
References: <57dc37f5.8349810a.68e1d.2e07@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <AC48AD5B-FC40-4838-AF2A-6A3FBC2FD418@gmail.com>

Dear jamneanne 
Update to iOS 10
It's really good!
Emma

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 16, 2016, at 2:20 PM, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I have updated to Ios 10 and it works great.  The only thing is it changes your voiceover once you install the update.  It takes a while for the update to install on your phone.
> 
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From discoduck221 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 17 05:56:48 2016
From: discoduck221 at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 01:56:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] IOS 10
In-Reply-To: <006b01d2103f$df147690$9d3d63b0$@gmail.com>
References: <006b01d2103f$df147690$9d3d63b0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+Wnc9Q2CwAPshuBU4dkfh8iJn3MAFomdVjU7_jwzN87uRVuBQ@mail.gmail.com>

HI jamie!
I upgraded to IOS 10, and have found things to work farely well. I had
a small problem getting around the app store to search for an App, but
Serie made that work OK.
I haven't had the chance to play around with everything, but if you check out
http://iaccessibility.net
they have quite a few well written guides on the new features so you
get an idea of what the features are and what they do.
Hope this helps.
>From David

On 9/16/16, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I'm wondering if anyone has updated to IOS 10 yet. I have an iPhone 6S, and
> it looks like IOS 10 has some pretty drastic changes. If you have upgraded,
> I'm interested to know what your thoughts are.
>
> Best,
>
> Jameyanne
>
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 17 18:56:33 2016
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 14:56:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions about MLA citation  of a lines poem
Message-ID: <712897DC-B10F-4F57-B43D-FB4D2C1ACF2C@gmail.com>

Hi all! How are you all? I don't know if you undrstand my subject line, but my question is how do I do an MLA citation of line poems? On monday in class, the class  is going to read  a poem  and then do a writing assignment. So in this writing assignment,  the Professor told us that wee need to have  proper MLA citation of lines poems. So how do I do that? When I support my argument, I need to cite something like line 1 or stanza 1 or something like  ethat.  Can anyone here who deal with this before can give me any feedback? I'm going  to write in class guys. I have my poem in Braille, and  I wil write either with my iPad or computer.    I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!

  Helga Schreiber 
Group Moderator  
 
  for the IPad help for the blind 
 
IPadhelpfortheblind+subscribe at groups.io  

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
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Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
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INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 10    

From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 17 19:40:03 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 15:40:03 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions about MLA citation  of a lines poem
Message-ID: <57dd9c4d.0684810a.5862e.f613@mx.google.com>

It's like a normal citation except you give the line number 
instead of a page number.  You would have to use the line in 
print though, so hopefully your Braille version has line numbers 
or at least line breaks where each print line ends so you can 
count.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Helga Schreiber via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 14:56:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions about MLA citation  of a lines poem

Hi all! How are you all? I don't know if you undrstand my subject 
line, but my question is how do I do an MLA citation of line 
poems? On monday in class, the class  is going to read  a poem  
and then do a writing assignment. So in this writing assignment,  
the Professor told us that wee need to have  proper MLA citation 
of lines poems. So how do I do that? When I support my argument, 
I need to cite something like line 1 or stanza 1 or something 
like  ethat.  Can anyone here who deal with this before can give 
me any feedback? I'm going  to write in class guys. I have my 
poem in Braille, and  I wil write either with my iPad or 
computer.    I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and 
God bless!

  Helga Schreiber
Group Moderator

  for the IPad help for the blind

IPadhelpfortheblind+subscribe at groups.io

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida 
Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
Skype: helga.schreiber26
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
INT Website: http://int4life.com/

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, 
that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal 
life." John 3:16
Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 10
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 17 20:54:05 2016
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 16:54:05 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] IOS 10
In-Reply-To: <CA+Wnc9Q2CwAPshuBU4dkfh8iJn3MAFomdVjU7_jwzN87uRVuBQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <006b01d2103f$df147690$9d3d63b0$@gmail.com>
	<CA+Wnc9Q2CwAPshuBU4dkfh8iJn3MAFomdVjU7_jwzN87uRVuBQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FatyMONX25GG+qBQD4=GkxOQb=XANcPpz-aL5ZqFDBgog@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I updated and have not experienced jumping right into the app from
notifications on the lock screen.  I've been doing that to access text
messages, what's app messages, and other things without a problem.
Perhaps it is a selective bug?
Also, even as someone who has not tried using a braille display with
the phone yet, I'm just not a fan of the way mail message threads are
laid out now.  I liked having separate messages to keep everything
more organized.  It's annoying to not necessarily recognize how many
messages might be in a thread.  Say if someone emails me, and I
quickly want to see what they say.  If I don't want to wait around to
hear voiceover say, "3 messages in thread," I won't really know to go
all the way through the thread.  That's just me.

There are a few things I really do like about it, though.  I think
notifications in general are nicer, and I'm having fun with the social
features in messaging now.  The Siri kit is something I'll be
interested to see further developed, and I also like the way Apple
Music has been redesigned.  For those of you who make use of that
service, I think the music app and apple music are much more
streamlined now.

Thanks,

On 9/17/16, David Dunphy via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> HI jamie!
> I upgraded to IOS 10, and have found things to work farely well. I had
> a small problem getting around the app store to search for an App, but
> Serie made that work OK.
> I haven't had the chance to play around with everything, but if you check
> out
> http://iaccessibility.net
> they have quite a few well written guides on the new features so you
> get an idea of what the features are and what they do.
> Hope this helps.
> From David
>
> On 9/16/16, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I'm wondering if anyone has updated to IOS 10 yet. I have an iPhone 6S,
>> and
>> it looks like IOS 10 has some pretty drastic changes. If you have
>> upgraded,
>> I'm interested to know what your thoughts are.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Jameyanne
>>
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-- 
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 02:47:10 2016
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 22:47:10 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for information on transportation in cities around
 the U.S
Message-ID: <CAFja7FYx-PiX-y=oViy7P-rcBezkCy9nHt_Y6v76cL-_=OM6=g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I'm beginning to delve into the pre-application process for my
required post-graduation internship, and I could end up anywhere
around the country.  My professors thankfully are conscious of my
needs and have remarked a few months ago before I even said something,
"We'll have to get you something with a bus line."

Naturally, a ton of factors are going into my decision-making process.
I know I want to work with children and adolescents and the types of
settings I would be interested in working in.  I am also considering
who the supervisor is and what their background is, the theoretical
orientation of the facility (humanistic or behavioral for example),
and if they have a stipent or housing available.  However,
transportation will play a major role in my decision as well as I will
need a way to get to work and to places like the store from wherever I
end up living.  Unfortunately this means some really good sites might
need to be cut from my list simply because they're in rural areas or
request students with cars who can drive to multiple locations for
sessions during a given day, but such is life.

I'm wondering if anyone else has been in this position and has found a
way to research what public transportation options are available in
various cities and states.  I do have paratransit where I go to school
now, but as the internship is 6 months there I might also need to look
into gaining long-term access to those services if they are offered.
Naturally, I'm leaning more towards cities that are larger and that I
know have well-established public transportation systems like Chicago
and Minneapolis-St. Paul, but I'd like to find more information to see
if the ones I'm looking at in smaller towns are also doable.  Any
strategies or web sites with information would be helpful.

In case anyone has experience with transportation in the areas I'm
checking out at least for now, here is my list of possible locales.  I
still have yet to meet with my professors and get their views on where
I should go so the list will dwindle for sure, but I'm trying to be as
proactive as possible.
Illinois:
Oaklawn, Park Ridge, Chicago (I'm assuming downtown based on the
information I have), Lisle, Countryside, Evanston.
Texas:
Dallas.
Ohio:
Cincinnati (don't need info on that one as that's my hometown).
Columbus, Cleveland.
Michigan:
Greenville.
Indiana:
Indianapolis, Fishers.
Minnesota:
Minneapolis.
Iowa:
Dubuque.
New York:
Yonkers, Rodchester, Harris.
 New Jersey:
Peapack.
Tennessee:
Jackson.

-- 
Kaiti Shelton


From taylorarndt99 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 02:57:26 2016
From: taylorarndt99 at gmail.com (Taylor Arndt)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 22:57:26 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for information on transportation in cities
 around the U.S
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FYx-PiX-y=oViy7P-rcBezkCy9nHt_Y6v76cL-_=OM6=g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FYx-PiX-y=oViy7P-rcBezkCy9nHt_Y6v76cL-_=OM6=g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9774118D-1035-4C0D-ABE5-D9539C1E79F5@gmail.com>

I know that Greenville Michigan I don't think as much in the way of public transportation, but if you go to Grand Rapids they have a real good system. I'm from Michigan, so I kind of know what is good in Michigan what's not

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2016, at 10:47 PM, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm beginning to delve into the pre-application process for my
> required post-graduation internship, and I could end up anywhere
> around the country.  My professors thankfully are conscious of my
> needs and have remarked a few months ago before I even said something,
> "We'll have to get you something with a bus line."
> 
> Naturally, a ton of factors are going into my decision-making process.
> I know I want to work with children and adolescents and the types of
> settings I would be interested in working in.  I am also considering
> who the supervisor is and what their background is, the theoretical
> orientation of the facility (humanistic or behavioral for example),
> and if they have a stipent or housing available.  However,
> transportation will play a major role in my decision as well as I will
> need a way to get to work and to places like the store from wherever I
> end up living.  Unfortunately this means some really good sites might
> need to be cut from my list simply because they're in rural areas or
> request students with cars who can drive to multiple locations for
> sessions during a given day, but such is life.
> 
> I'm wondering if anyone else has been in this position and has found a
> way to research what public transportation options are available in
> various cities and states.  I do have paratransit where I go to school
> now, but as the internship is 6 months there I might also need to look
> into gaining long-term access to those services if they are offered.
> Naturally, I'm leaning more towards cities that are larger and that I
> know have well-established public transportation systems like Chicago
> and Minneapolis-St. Paul, but I'd like to find more information to see
> if the ones I'm looking at in smaller towns are also doable.  Any
> strategies or web sites with information would be helpful.
> 
> In case anyone has experience with transportation in the areas I'm
> checking out at least for now, here is my list of possible locales.  I
> still have yet to meet with my professors and get their views on where
> I should go so the list will dwindle for sure, but I'm trying to be as
> proactive as possible.
> Illinois:
> Oaklawn, Park Ridge, Chicago (I'm assuming downtown based on the
> information I have), Lisle, Countryside, Evanston.
> Texas:
> Dallas.
> Ohio:
> Cincinnati (don't need info on that one as that's my hometown).
> Columbus, Cleveland.
> Michigan:
> Greenville.
> Indiana:
> Indianapolis, Fishers.
> Minnesota:
> Minneapolis.
> Iowa:
> Dubuque.
> New York:
> Yonkers, Rodchester, Harris.
> New Jersey:
> Peapack.
> Tennessee:
> Jackson.
> 
> -- 
> Kaiti Shelton
> 
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 05:55:13 2016
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 01:55:13 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for information on transportation in cities
 around the U.S
In-Reply-To: <9774118D-1035-4C0D-ABE5-D9539C1E79F5@gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FYx-PiX-y=oViy7P-rcBezkCy9nHt_Y6v76cL-_=OM6=g@mail.gmail.com>
	<9774118D-1035-4C0D-ABE5-D9539C1E79F5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FbeNJ5R7pZ=Mw=OnX77QxAF=7yDdAXZ=TUKXaUKcujwWA@mail.gmail.com>

I thought that might be the case.  I've been in that area for programs
at Camp T but not long enough to know for sure myself.  The site is
actually in Lowell, but from what I know of Lowell it is pretty
similar to Greenville in the lack of public transport.

On 9/17/16, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I know that Greenville Michigan I don't think as much in the way of public
> transportation, but if you go to Grand Rapids they have a real good system.
> I'm from Michigan, so I kind of know what is good in Michigan what's not
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 10:47 PM, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm beginning to delve into the pre-application process for my
>> required post-graduation internship, and I could end up anywhere
>> around the country.  My professors thankfully are conscious of my
>> needs and have remarked a few months ago before I even said something,
>> "We'll have to get you something with a bus line."
>>
>> Naturally, a ton of factors are going into my decision-making process.
>> I know I want to work with children and adolescents and the types of
>> settings I would be interested in working in.  I am also considering
>> who the supervisor is and what their background is, the theoretical
>> orientation of the facility (humanistic or behavioral for example),
>> and if they have a stipent or housing available.  However,
>> transportation will play a major role in my decision as well as I will
>> need a way to get to work and to places like the store from wherever I
>> end up living.  Unfortunately this means some really good sites might
>> need to be cut from my list simply because they're in rural areas or
>> request students with cars who can drive to multiple locations for
>> sessions during a given day, but such is life.
>>
>> I'm wondering if anyone else has been in this position and has found a
>> way to research what public transportation options are available in
>> various cities and states.  I do have paratransit where I go to school
>> now, but as the internship is 6 months there I might also need to look
>> into gaining long-term access to those services if they are offered.
>> Naturally, I'm leaning more towards cities that are larger and that I
>> know have well-established public transportation systems like Chicago
>> and Minneapolis-St. Paul, but I'd like to find more information to see
>> if the ones I'm looking at in smaller towns are also doable.  Any
>> strategies or web sites with information would be helpful.
>>
>> In case anyone has experience with transportation in the areas I'm
>> checking out at least for now, here is my list of possible locales.  I
>> still have yet to meet with my professors and get their views on where
>> I should go so the list will dwindle for sure, but I'm trying to be as
>> proactive as possible.
>> Illinois:
>> Oaklawn, Park Ridge, Chicago (I'm assuming downtown based on the
>> information I have), Lisle, Countryside, Evanston.
>> Texas:
>> Dallas.
>> Ohio:
>> Cincinnati (don't need info on that one as that's my hometown).
>> Columbus, Cleveland.
>> Michigan:
>> Greenville.
>> Indiana:
>> Indianapolis, Fishers.
>> Minnesota:
>> Minneapolis.
>> Iowa:
>> Dubuque.
>> New York:
>> Yonkers, Rodchester, Harris.
>> New Jersey:
>> Peapack.
>> Tennessee:
>> Jackson.
>>
>> --
>> Kaiti Shelton
>>
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-- 
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From taylorarndt99 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 13:18:55 2016
From: taylorarndt99 at gmail.com (Taylor Arndt)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 09:18:55 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for information on transportation in cities
 around the U.S
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FbeNJ5R7pZ=Mw=OnX77QxAF=7yDdAXZ=TUKXaUKcujwWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FYx-PiX-y=oViy7P-rcBezkCy9nHt_Y6v76cL-_=OM6=g@mail.gmail.com>
	<9774118D-1035-4C0D-ABE5-D9539C1E79F5@gmail.com>
	<CAFja7FbeNJ5R7pZ=Mw=OnX77QxAF=7yDdAXZ=TUKXaUKcujwWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FC810974-2B39-41AA-ACBE-4EA6B2D8844F@gmail.com>

I have been to camp t also maybe you should look into Grand Rapids

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 1:55 AM, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I thought that might be the case.  I've been in that area for programs
> at Camp T but not long enough to know for sure myself.  The site is
> actually in Lowell, but from what I know of Lowell it is pretty
> similar to Greenville in the lack of public transport.
> 
>> On 9/17/16, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I know that Greenville Michigan I don't think as much in the way of public
>> transportation, but if you go to Grand Rapids they have a real good system.
>> I'm from Michigan, so I kind of know what is good in Michigan what's not
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 10:47 PM, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I'm beginning to delve into the pre-application process for my
>>> required post-graduation internship, and I could end up anywhere
>>> around the country.  My professors thankfully are conscious of my
>>> needs and have remarked a few months ago before I even said something,
>>> "We'll have to get you something with a bus line."
>>> 
>>> Naturally, a ton of factors are going into my decision-making process.
>>> I know I want to work with children and adolescents and the types of
>>> settings I would be interested in working in.  I am also considering
>>> who the supervisor is and what their background is, the theoretical
>>> orientation of the facility (humanistic or behavioral for example),
>>> and if they have a stipent or housing available.  However,
>>> transportation will play a major role in my decision as well as I will
>>> need a way to get to work and to places like the store from wherever I
>>> end up living.  Unfortunately this means some really good sites might
>>> need to be cut from my list simply because they're in rural areas or
>>> request students with cars who can drive to multiple locations for
>>> sessions during a given day, but such is life.
>>> 
>>> I'm wondering if anyone else has been in this position and has found a
>>> way to research what public transportation options are available in
>>> various cities and states.  I do have paratransit where I go to school
>>> now, but as the internship is 6 months there I might also need to look
>>> into gaining long-term access to those services if they are offered.
>>> Naturally, I'm leaning more towards cities that are larger and that I
>>> know have well-established public transportation systems like Chicago
>>> and Minneapolis-St. Paul, but I'd like to find more information to see
>>> if the ones I'm looking at in smaller towns are also doable.  Any
>>> strategies or web sites with information would be helpful.
>>> 
>>> In case anyone has experience with transportation in the areas I'm
>>> checking out at least for now, here is my list of possible locales.  I
>>> still have yet to meet with my professors and get their views on where
>>> I should go so the list will dwindle for sure, but I'm trying to be as
>>> proactive as possible.
>>> Illinois:
>>> Oaklawn, Park Ridge, Chicago (I'm assuming downtown based on the
>>> information I have), Lisle, Countryside, Evanston.
>>> Texas:
>>> Dallas.
>>> Ohio:
>>> Cincinnati (don't need info on that one as that's my hometown).
>>> Columbus, Cleveland.
>>> Michigan:
>>> Greenville.
>>> Indiana:
>>> Indianapolis, Fishers.
>>> Minnesota:
>>> Minneapolis.
>>> Iowa:
>>> Dubuque.
>>> New York:
>>> Yonkers, Rodchester, Harris.
>>> New Jersey:
>>> Peapack.
>>> Tennessee:
>>> Jackson.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Kaiti Shelton
>>> 
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>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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> 
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> Kaiti Shelton
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From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 15:01:41 2016
From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (Angela Roberts)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 10:01:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] UEB Braille
Message-ID: <CABfRTqLhhfv3VVADS6kPB9KxAfeM95u8owc3T+iMWJ8Fd0CewA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello fellow students,
I'm trying to read my Braille Assignment for Hadley Institude, but I think
either I'm reading it wrong, or that there are errors in the reading
assignment.
First, there's a number sign in the middle of the Address to "Sally".
It's in between the numbers 876 and 1,12.   Also, the word consultant has
the letters V and A in front of it, and the word Programmer in front of the
letter V and A.

From zdreicer at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 15:13:44 2016
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 10:13:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] UEB Braille
In-Reply-To: <CABfRTqLhhfv3VVADS6kPB9KxAfeM95u8owc3T+iMWJ8Fd0CewA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABfRTqLhhfv3VVADS6kPB9KxAfeM95u8owc3T+iMWJ8Fd0CewA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64778BC5-763B-46C8-B0A1-93A706131C61@gmail.com>

It's probably typographic errors. The parentheses are changed in unified English braille though. Maybe was it supposed to be parentheses?

Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 10:01, Angela Roberts via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello fellow students,
> I'm trying to read my Braille Assignment for Hadley Institude, but I think
> either I'm reading it wrong, or that there are errors in the reading
> assignment.
> First, there's a number sign in the middle of the Address to "Sally".
> It's in between the numbers 876 and 1,12.   Also, the word consultant has
> the letters V and A in front of it, and the word Programmer in front of the
> letter V and A.
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sun Sep 18 16:51:13 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 16:51:13 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for information on transportation in cities
 around the U.S
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FYx-PiX-y=oViy7P-rcBezkCy9nHt_Y6v76cL-_=OM6=g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FYx-PiX-y=oViy7P-rcBezkCy9nHt_Y6v76cL-_=OM6=g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SN1PR12MB01598188A800365DB8D035EFBAF50@SN1PR12MB0159.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Hello Kaiti,

I applaud you for being proactive in your internship placement. However, I think narrowing down your internship selection based solely on transportation is a lot like selecting a college or university based solely on the level of accommodations offered by a disabilities office. I do not believe either one of these approaches work well as there are usually a number of different factors that go into these types of decisions.

I noticed some of your selections in your list of possibilities include places that are known for being places of manufacturing that are now in decline. As manufacturing jobs decline, the population of these places decline, and the rates of crime increases. This may be something worth considering that is just as important as transportation.

Also, Chicago might be good in terms of transportation, but it has a high homicide rate due to gun violence. However, this is not to say that all parts of Chicago are like this though. But I would imagine that the nicer parts of the city may also be a lot more expensive than your current way of living. I think these are also important things to consider for your internship placement.

In terms of providing future opportunities for your career, I would suggest either Minneapolis or Indianapolis. I have heard a lot about how these two cities have grown over the past several years in terms of attracting and retaining young professionals. I do not know anything about Indianapolis beyond what I have heard about it. However, I know Minneapolis has a good transportation system provided you can withstand the frigid cold winters there.

In terms of working in a smaller city, especially if it is anywhere in the Midwest, you would most likely need to give up living in a place that has good public transportation. I do not know of any small towns or cities that have much in terms of providing public transportation. However, I do not see why hiring your own driver would not be an option if you are interested in working in a smaller city.

I have never been to Greenville before as I do not know of a way to get there using public transportation. However, transportation is not all that great here in Michigan given the reliance and culture of automotive manufacturing. I would imagine this would be the same in other places where automotive manufacturing has been a predominant part of the culture.

While I completely understand the need for reliable and affordable transportation, I would focus more on what the internship itself has to offer in terms of providing future possibilities for a career. So I would say that you should narrow down your internship possibilities down to where you could picture yourself living and working five years from now. If you cannot picture yourself working and living there within five years, then it might not necessarily be the best internship placement for you. This is the criteria I would use in determining an internship placement where I have some sort of say in the decision process.

Anyway, I hope this helps you in selecting the best place for your internship. I am confident that regardless of where your internship takes place that you will make the best of the circumstances, and gain the most out of your internship.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth








-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 10:47 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for information on transportation in cities around the U.S

Hi all,

I'm beginning to delve into the pre-application process for my required post-graduation internship, and I could end up anywhere around the country.  My professors thankfully are conscious of my needs and have remarked a few months ago before I even said something, "We'll have to get you something with a bus line."

Naturally, a ton of factors are going into my decision-making process.
I know I want to work with children and adolescents and the types of settings I would be interested in working in.  I am also considering who the supervisor is and what their background is, the theoretical orientation of the facility (humanistic or behavioral for example), and if they have a stipent or housing available.  However, transportation will play a major role in my decision as well as I will need a way to get to work and to places like the store from wherever I end up living.  Unfortunately this means some really good sites might need to be cut from my list simply because they're in rural areas or request students with cars who can drive to multiple locations for sessions during a given day, but such is life.

I'm wondering if anyone else has been in this position and has found a way to research what public transportation options are available in various cities and states.  I do have paratransit where I go to school now, but as the internship is 6 months there I might also need to look into gaining long-term access to those services if they are offered.
Naturally, I'm leaning more towards cities that are larger and that I know have well-established public transportation systems like Chicago and Minneapolis-St. Paul, but I'd like to find more information to see if the ones I'm looking at in smaller towns are also doable.  Any strategies or web sites with information would be helpful.

In case anyone has experience with transportation in the areas I'm checking out at least for now, here is my list of possible locales.  I still have yet to meet with my professors and get their views on where I should go so the list will dwindle for sure, but I'm trying to be as proactive as possible.
Illinois:
Oaklawn, Park Ridge, Chicago (I'm assuming downtown based on the information I have), Lisle, Countryside, Evanston.
Texas:
Dallas.
Ohio:
Cincinnati (don't need info on that one as that's my hometown).
Columbus, Cleveland.
Michigan:
Greenville.
Indiana:
Indianapolis, Fishers.
Minnesota:
Minneapolis.
Iowa:
Dubuque.
New York:
Yonkers, Rodchester, Harris.
 New Jersey:
Peapack.
Tennessee:
Jackson.

--
Kaiti Shelton

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From amanie1226 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 19:48:10 2016
From: amanie1226 at gmail.com (amanie)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 15:48:10 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for information on transportation in cities
 around the U.S
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FYx-PiX-y=oViy7P-rcBezkCy9nHt_Y6v76cL-_=OM6=g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FYx-PiX-y=oViy7P-rcBezkCy9nHt_Y6v76cL-_=OM6=g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <36084522-3D4E-49A3-A15E-C80442D2B631@gmail.com>

Good afternoon Katie
I currently live in Yonkers and there is a good transportation service here.
Also New York City has great transportation so if you have any questions.
Please feel free to contact me off list via email or at the telephone number listed at the bottom of this message.
I would be happy to help and provide further information.
 

Sent from my iPhone Ms. Amanie T Riley
MSED student/TVI in training
B.S. Psychology/Education
914-308-6944

> On Sep 17, 2016, at 10:47 PM, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm beginning to delve into the pre-application process for my
> required post-graduation internship, and I could end up anywhere
> around the country.  My professors thankfully are conscious of my
> needs and have remarked a few months ago before I even said something,
> "We'll have to get you something with a bus line."
> 
> Naturally, a ton of factors are going into my decision-making process.
> I know I want to work with children and adolescents and the types of
> settings I would be interested in working in.  I am also considering
> who the supervisor is and what their background is, the theoretical
> orientation of the facility (humanistic or behavioral for example),
> and if they have a stipent or housing available.  However,
> transportation will play a major role in my decision as well as I will
> need a way to get to work and to places like the store from wherever I
> end up living.  Unfortunately this means some really good sites might
> need to be cut from my list simply because they're in rural areas or
> request students with cars who can drive to multiple locations for
> sessions during a given day, but such is life.
> 
> I'm wondering if anyone else has been in this position and has found a
> way to research what public transportation options are available in
> various cities and states.  I do have paratransit where I go to school
> now, but as the internship is 6 months there I might also need to look
> into gaining long-term access to those services if they are offered.
> Naturally, I'm leaning more towards cities that are larger and that I
> know have well-established public transportation systems like Chicago
> and Minneapolis-St. Paul, but I'd like to find more information to see
> if the ones I'm looking at in smaller towns are also doable.  Any
> strategies or web sites with information would be helpful.
> 
> In case anyone has experience with transportation in the areas I'm
> checking out at least for now, here is my list of possible locales.  I
> still have yet to meet with my professors and get their views on where
> I should go so the list will dwindle for sure, but I'm trying to be as
> proactive as possible.
> Illinois:
> Oaklawn, Park Ridge, Chicago (I'm assuming downtown based on the
> information I have), Lisle, Countryside, Evanston.
> Texas:
> Dallas.
> Ohio:
> Cincinnati (don't need info on that one as that's my hometown).
> Columbus, Cleveland.
> Michigan:
> Greenville.
> Indiana:
> Indianapolis, Fishers.
> Minnesota:
> Minneapolis.
> Iowa:
> Dubuque.
> New York:
> Yonkers, Rodchester, Harris.
> New Jersey:
> Peapack.
> Tennessee:
> Jackson.
> 
> -- 
> Kaiti Shelton
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Sun Sep 18 20:04:31 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 13:04:31 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Book help for college
In-Reply-To: <88CEA485-188D-4DCC-94C6-3088F6B347C5@gmail.com>
References: <2EF4F526-2CD2-4FE9-A832-CB1CCB225206@gmail.com>
	<88CEA485-188D-4DCC-94C6-3088F6B347C5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.281.1772982283.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

My guys let me rent the book  Something of which 
I always take advantage since I don't have extra cash for this.
  04:23 PM 7/30/2016, you wrote:
>I highly recommend Learning Ally and bookshare, 
>like others have suggested. If you do have to 
>purchase a physical copy, by your textbooks 
>used, from your campus bookstore or from Amazon. 
>That should help you save some cash. As long as 
>they aren’t using your copy to produce the 
>digital version, this should work fine. Best, 
>Greg > On Jul 30, 2016, at 9:33 AM, Emma 
>Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
>wrote: > > Dear all, > What do you do for school 
>books? My university converts them for me in to 
>a word document but in order for them to be 
>converted the physical book has to be rented or 
>bought. My question since physical books are 
>inaccessible how can I save money and get the 
>access I need? > > Sent from my iPhone > 
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From taylorarndt99 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 20:24:50 2016
From: taylorarndt99 at gmail.com (Taylor Arndt)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 16:24:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for information on transportation in cities
 around the U.S
In-Reply-To: <SN1PR12MB01598188A800365DB8D035EFBAF50@SN1PR12MB0159.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAFja7FYx-PiX-y=oViy7P-rcBezkCy9nHt_Y6v76cL-_=OM6=g@mail.gmail.com>
	<SN1PR12MB01598188A800365DB8D035EFBAF50@SN1PR12MB0159.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1D83FAFE-FE6B-466D-B82A-99FF1FAF9B13@gmail.com>

The only city that really good in Michigan for transportation is Kalamazoo  the zoo or grand rapid

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 12:51 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Kaiti,
> 
> I applaud you for being proactive in your internship placement. However, I think narrowing down your internship selection based solely on transportation is a lot like selecting a college or university based solely on the level of accommodations offered by a disabilities office. I do not believe either one of these approaches work well as there are usually a number of different factors that go into these types of decisions.
> 
> I noticed some of your selections in your list of possibilities include places that are known for being places of manufacturing that are now in decline. As manufacturing jobs decline, the population of these places decline, and the rates of crime increases. This may be something worth considering that is just as important as transportation.
> 
> Also, Chicago might be good in terms of transportation, but it has a high homicide rate due to gun violence. However, this is not to say that all parts of Chicago are like this though. But I would imagine that the nicer parts of the city may also be a lot more expensive than your current way of living. I think these are also important things to consider for your internship placement.
> 
> In terms of providing future opportunities for your career, I would suggest either Minneapolis or Indianapolis. I have heard a lot about how these two cities have grown over the past several years in terms of attracting and retaining young professionals. I do not know anything about Indianapolis beyond what I have heard about it. However, I know Minneapolis has a good transportation system provided you can withstand the frigid cold winters there.
> 
> In terms of working in a smaller city, especially if it is anywhere in the Midwest, you would most likely need to give up living in a place that has good public transportation. I do not know of any small towns or cities that have much in terms of providing public transportation. However, I do not see why hiring your own driver would not be an option if you are interested in working in a smaller city.
> 
> I have never been to Greenville before as I do not know of a way to get there using public transportation. However, transportation is not all that great here in Michigan given the reliance and culture of automotive manufacturing. I would imagine this would be the same in other places where automotive manufacturing has been a predominant part of the culture.
> 
> While I completely understand the need for reliable and affordable transportation, I would focus more on what the internship itself has to offer in terms of providing future possibilities for a career. So I would say that you should narrow down your internship possibilities down to where you could picture yourself living and working five years from now. If you cannot picture yourself working and living there within five years, then it might not necessarily be the best internship placement for you. This is the criteria I would use in determining an internship placement where I have some sort of say in the decision process.
> 
> Anyway, I hope this helps you in selecting the best place for your internship. I am confident that regardless of where your internship takes place that you will make the best of the circumstances, and gain the most out of your internship.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 10:47 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for information on transportation in cities around the U.S
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm beginning to delve into the pre-application process for my required post-graduation internship, and I could end up anywhere around the country.  My professors thankfully are conscious of my needs and have remarked a few months ago before I even said something, "We'll have to get you something with a bus line."
> 
> Naturally, a ton of factors are going into my decision-making process.
> I know I want to work with children and adolescents and the types of settings I would be interested in working in.  I am also considering who the supervisor is and what their background is, the theoretical orientation of the facility (humanistic or behavioral for example), and if they have a stipent or housing available.  However, transportation will play a major role in my decision as well as I will need a way to get to work and to places like the store from wherever I end up living.  Unfortunately this means some really good sites might need to be cut from my list simply because they're in rural areas or request students with cars who can drive to multiple locations for sessions during a given day, but such is life.
> 
> I'm wondering if anyone else has been in this position and has found a way to research what public transportation options are available in various cities and states.  I do have paratransit where I go to school now, but as the internship is 6 months there I might also need to look into gaining long-term access to those services if they are offered.
> Naturally, I'm leaning more towards cities that are larger and that I know have well-established public transportation systems like Chicago and Minneapolis-St. Paul, but I'd like to find more information to see if the ones I'm looking at in smaller towns are also doable.  Any strategies or web sites with information would be helpful.
> 
> In case anyone has experience with transportation in the areas I'm checking out at least for now, here is my list of possible locales.  I still have yet to meet with my professors and get their views on where I should go so the list will dwindle for sure, but I'm trying to be as proactive as possible.
> Illinois:
> Oaklawn, Park Ridge, Chicago (I'm assuming downtown based on the information I have), Lisle, Countryside, Evanston.
> Texas:
> Dallas.
> Ohio:
> Cincinnati (don't need info on that one as that's my hometown).
> Columbus, Cleveland.
> Michigan:
> Greenville.
> Indiana:
> Indianapolis, Fishers.
> Minnesota:
> Minneapolis.
> Iowa:
> Dubuque.
> New York:
> Yonkers, Rodchester, Harris.
> New Jersey:
> Peapack.
> Tennessee:
> Jackson.
> 
> --
> Kaiti Shelton
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 20:56:59 2016
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 16:56:59 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Some questions about Pages on the ipad
Message-ID: <E8EDB3F4-F5EE-433A-A9A0-955133B51086@gmail.com>

Hi all! How are you all? So I was playing with my pages app,and  I find out here the format button in order to change the fonts, size, and line spacing of the document. Now my problem is when I double tap on Times new roman, then flick right to find the size 12, and then go to line spacing,and I find double line spacing, I can't set it to default. I don't know what I'm doing wrong guys. Do you have any suggestion? I'm doing  this on my iPad mini 4. I know that I'm not doing it correctly because after I select what I want I double tap on dismiss,and then I save the document in Dropbox and open it on my computer, it tells me that the font is not Times New Roman and so on. It tells me the default font that is on the iPad as default. Just le tyouknow I'm running IOS 10 on my iPad.    I'm planning to take this iPad to do my writing assignment in class, and I wanted to set it in this format in order to send it to my professor by email. I loook forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless! 

  Helga Schreiber 
Group Moderator  
 
  for the IPad help for the blind 
 
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 21:16:53 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 14:16:53 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Book help for college
In-Reply-To: <57def3bd.ce4b370a.8ed20.0acbSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
References: <2EF4F526-2CD2-4FE9-A832-CB1CCB225206@gmail.com>
	<88CEA485-188D-4DCC-94C6-3088F6B347C5@gmail.com>
	<57def3bd.ce4b370a.8ed20.0acbSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
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Hi,
At my school, you must buy the book, and they will convert them into PDF documents by chapter.
The way I see it is that everyone else is responsible for buying their own books anyway. I do try to use Bookshare first though. Also my school is great about a very quick turnaround time.
One more thing, if you need to buy multiple books for the same class, one of my teachers made a deal with the bookstore for all students where you could buy 3 or 4 books in a bundle for a reduced price. That might help.
Vejas  

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 13:04, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> My guys let me rent the book  Something of which I always take advantage since I don't have extra cash for this.
> 04:23 PM 7/30/2016, you wrote:
>> I highly recommend Learning Ally and bookshare, like others have suggested. If you do have to purchase a physical copy, by your textbooks used, from your campus bookstore or from Amazon. That should help you save some cash. As long as they aren’t using your copy to produce the digital version, this should work fine. Best, Greg > On Jul 30, 2016, at 9:33 AM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > Dear all, > What do you do for school books? My university converts them for me in to a word document but in order for them to be converted the physical book has to be rented or bought. My question since physical books are inaccessible how can I save money and get the access I need? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ >  NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org  > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net
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From emitchell927 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 21:20:30 2016
From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 17:20:30 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Book help for college
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I have all my books converted now thanks for the help. Also this question was from the Summer.
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 5:16 PM, Vejas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> At my school, you must buy the book, and they will convert them into PDF documents by chapter.
> The way I see it is that everyone else is responsible for buying their own books anyway. I do try to use Bookshare first though. Also my school is great about a very quick turnaround time.
> One more thing, if you need to buy multiple books for the same class, one of my teachers made a deal with the bookstore for all students where you could buy 3 or 4 books in a bundle for a reduced price. That might help.
> Vejas  
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 13:04, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> My guys let me rent the book  Something of which I always take advantage since I don't have extra cash for this.
>> 04:23 PM 7/30/2016, you wrote:
>>> I highly recommend Learning Ally and bookshare, like others have suggested. If you do have to purchase a physical copy, by your textbooks used, from your campus bookstore or from Amazon. That should help you save some cash. As long as they aren’t using your copy to produce the digital version, this should work fine. Best, Greg > On Jul 30, 2016, at 9:33 AM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > Dear all, > What do you do for school books? My university converts them for me in to a word document but in order for them to be converted the physical book has to be rented or bought. My question since physical books are inaccessible how can I save money and get the access I need? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ >  NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org  > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 22:48:51 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 15:48:51 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Print Page Equivalent on Apex
Message-ID: <02A2A33C-52D0-4B67-B3BB-F2E0FACF3302@gmail.com>

Hi All,
I am in the process of writing a paper on my Apex. The paper must be 3 to 4 pages in length, double-spaced, but no more than 4 pages.
How do  Apex users gauge the page amount taking into account that the Apex shows page numbers differently?
Thanks,
Vejas 

From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 22:51:58 2016
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 18:51:58 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Book help for college
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Hello Emma and all,

I'd highly recommend getting set up with your state's vocational
relhailitation agency if you're not set up with them already.  Aside
from the book issue, they can often be a very valuable resource.
Someone pointed out that it can be beaurocratic, and it of course can,
but it is always good to have those tools available in your toolbox if
you need to use them.  Some things that my state's voc rehab agency
has done for me include providing me with some tuition assistance and
covering the costs of mobility lessons and tech training when I've
needed it.  Each state has different accronyms as was said (In Ohio
it's the Beauro of Services for the Visually Impaired, for example),
and they'll do different things for you.  E.G, Michigan students get
full tuition paid up to the cost of the most expensive school in
Michigan while students in Ohio get the equivalent of the lowest-cost
option in the area, so you just need to know what your state's agency
will specifically do.  And yes, many state agencies will help you pay
for books.  I don't have personal experience with this as my school
got a grant from the department of ed that allows students $500 for
books a semester and I usually don't need to spend that much, but
definitely take advantage of bookshare and other resources to see if
they are for free first.  If you absolutely need a cheap copy Amazon
and Cheg often sell books for cheap, and sometimes students who want
to make some of the money they spent on books back will sell them for
a cheaper price, too.  I don't think the law actually means you need
to have a physical copy of the book, as I've also rented books from my
bookstore and that has served as proof of purchase well enough.  Also,
EBooks are becoming more widely used.  Pagination can often be a
problem with those, but one thing I do for classes so long as I don't
need to write a ton of papers is find the quotes I want to use, write
the paper, then go to someone sighted with the print copy of the book
and help them find the page numbers for each quote so they can help me
fill in the page number for the citations.  It's a little tedious, but
as long as you can guide them along by giving them the chapter number,
maybe the heading of the section the quote is in, and information
about how far into the section the quote is they can usually skim
through the information and help you find it.

Hope this helps,

On 9/18/16, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I have all my books converted now thanks for the help. Also this question
> was from the Summer.
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 5:16 PM, Vejas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> At my school, you must buy the book, and they will convert them into PDF
>> documents by chapter.
>> The way I see it is that everyone else is responsible for buying their own
>> books anyway. I do try to use Bookshare first though. Also my school is
>> great about a very quick turnaround time.
>> One more thing, if you need to buy multiple books for the same class, one
>> of my teachers made a deal with the bookstore for all students where you
>> could buy 3 or 4 books in a bundle for a reduced price. That might help.
>> Vejas
>>
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 13:04, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> My guys let me rent the book  Something of which I always take advantage
>>> since I don't have extra cash for this.
>>> 04:23 PM 7/30/2016, you wrote:
>>>> I highly recommend Learning Ally and bookshare, like others have
>>>> suggested. If you do have to purchase a physical copy, by your textbooks
>>>> used, from your campus bookstore or from Amazon. That should help you
>>>> save some cash. As long as they aren’t using your copy to produce the
>>>> digital version, this should work fine. Best, Greg > On Jul 30, 2016, at
>>>> 9:33 AM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > Dear
>>>> all, > What do you do for school books? My university converts them for
>>>> me in to a word document but in order for them to be converted the
>>>> physical book has to be rented or bought. My question since physical
>>>> books are inaccessible how can I save money and get the access I need? >
>>>> > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 23:06:03 2016
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 19:06:03 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for information on transportation in cities
 around the U.S
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Hi all,

Thank you for the feedback thus far.  I'll try to respond as in order
as possible to the last few messages.

I'm afraid Michigan is completely out as there aren't any other
internship sites that I'm interested in; most are hospice-related and
there is a school system in Detroit, but it requires significant
driving from school to school in each day so it would not be feasible.

As I said in my original message, I am taking a variety of factors
into consideration from the clientelle served, to the knowledge and
expertise of the supervisors, to the amount of driving or travel time
required in a day.  The bottom line is that I could pick an internship
that is a great fit for me, but I won't be able to take it if I don't
have a reliable and affordable way of getting there and back to where
I'm staying, as well as to places like the grocery store or pharmacy I
will need to travel to on a weekly or bi-weekly basis.  I also simply
cannot take jobs that require a lot of driving; sometimes MTs or
interns will drive all over a state to see clients, which for me would
just take too much time and reliance upon other people's schedules for
me to have any kind of for sure consistency.  Part of what will make
or break the fit for me will be my ability to navigate the area, no
matter how well the internship site fits into the other categories.
Of course I won't take an internship that won't be such a good fit
just because the city might have some great transportation, but it is
something my professors and I need to pay attention to.  AS for
looking into crime and the decline of some of the cities on the list,
that's the whole reason why some of those sites are there---to serve
under-served people in those areas who don't otherwise have access to
resources provided there.  Many internships either have housing worked
out for a low cost, or they can help by providing resources to get set
up with housing nearby.  If I get my top choice, that internship site
has an agreement with host families who I would pay room and board to,
I think.  I have thought about seeing what my voc rehab agency might
be able to help out with in transportation, but I won't have a ton of
money to be able to hire drivers as much as what a lot of the sites
would require (For example, that's why I'm not taking the ones that
contract out through school districts and require interns to travel
from school to school throughout the day; I'd basically need a driver
to shuttle me to new places every 45 minutes or so the whole work day
for most of the time).

The news about Yonkers is encouraging.  I've also been to Rodchester
before and unless it has changed in the last few years since I have
been there, I remember them having a good system in place, too.  I
might take you up on your offer for more information if I pursue my
sites in those cities.

On 9/18/16, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> The only city that really good in Michigan for transportation is Kalamazoo
> the zoo or grand rapid
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 12:51 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Kaiti,
>>
>> I applaud you for being proactive in your internship placement. However, I
>> think narrowing down your internship selection based solely on
>> transportation is a lot like selecting a college or university based
>> solely on the level of accommodations offered by a disabilities office. I
>> do not believe either one of these approaches work well as there are
>> usually a number of different factors that go into these types of
>> decisions.
>>
>> I noticed some of your selections in your list of possibilities include
>> places that are known for being places of manufacturing that are now in
>> decline. As manufacturing jobs decline, the population of these places
>> decline, and the rates of crime increases. This may be something worth
>> considering that is just as important as transportation.
>>
>> Also, Chicago might be good in terms of transportation, but it has a high
>> homicide rate due to gun violence. However, this is not to say that all
>> parts of Chicago are like this though. But I would imagine that the nicer
>> parts of the city may also be a lot more expensive than your current way
>> of living. I think these are also important things to consider for your
>> internship placement.
>>
>> In terms of providing future opportunities for your career, I would
>> suggest either Minneapolis or Indianapolis. I have heard a lot about how
>> these two cities have grown over the past several years in terms of
>> attracting and retaining young professionals. I do not know anything about
>> Indianapolis beyond what I have heard about it. However, I know
>> Minneapolis has a good transportation system provided you can withstand
>> the frigid cold winters there.
>>
>> In terms of working in a smaller city, especially if it is anywhere in the
>> Midwest, you would most likely need to give up living in a place that has
>> good public transportation. I do not know of any small towns or cities
>> that have much in terms of providing public transportation. However, I do
>> not see why hiring your own driver would not be an option if you are
>> interested in working in a smaller city.
>>
>> I have never been to Greenville before as I do not know of a way to get
>> there using public transportation. However, transportation is not all that
>> great here in Michigan given the reliance and culture of automotive
>> manufacturing. I would imagine this would be the same in other places
>> where automotive manufacturing has been a predominant part of the
>> culture.
>>
>> While I completely understand the need for reliable and affordable
>> transportation, I would focus more on what the internship itself has to
>> offer in terms of providing future possibilities for a career. So I would
>> say that you should narrow down your internship possibilities down to
>> where you could picture yourself living and working five years from now.
>> If you cannot picture yourself working and living there within five years,
>> then it might not necessarily be the best internship placement for you.
>> This is the criteria I would use in determining an internship placement
>> where I have some sort of say in the decision process.
>>
>> Anyway, I hope this helps you in selecting the best place for your
>> internship. I am confident that regardless of where your internship takes
>> place that you will make the best of the circumstances, and gain the most
>> out of your internship.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>> Elizabeth
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
>> via NABS-L
>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 10:47 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for information on transportation in cities
>> around the U.S
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm beginning to delve into the pre-application process for my required
>> post-graduation internship, and I could end up anywhere around the
>> country.  My professors thankfully are conscious of my needs and have
>> remarked a few months ago before I even said something, "We'll have to get
>> you something with a bus line."
>>
>> Naturally, a ton of factors are going into my decision-making process.
>> I know I want to work with children and adolescents and the types of
>> settings I would be interested in working in.  I am also considering who
>> the supervisor is and what their background is, the theoretical
>> orientation of the facility (humanistic or behavioral for example), and if
>> they have a stipent or housing available.  However, transportation will
>> play a major role in my decision as well as I will need a way to get to
>> work and to places like the store from wherever I end up living.
>> Unfortunately this means some really good sites might need to be cut from
>> my list simply because they're in rural areas or request students with
>> cars who can drive to multiple locations for sessions during a given day,
>> but such is life.
>>
>> I'm wondering if anyone else has been in this position and has found a way
>> to research what public transportation options are available in various
>> cities and states.  I do have paratransit where I go to school now, but as
>> the internship is 6 months there I might also need to look into gaining
>> long-term access to those services if they are offered.
>> Naturally, I'm leaning more towards cities that are larger and that I know
>> have well-established public transportation systems like Chicago and
>> Minneapolis-St. Paul, but I'd like to find more information to see if the
>> ones I'm looking at in smaller towns are also doable.  Any strategies or
>> web sites with information would be helpful.
>>
>> In case anyone has experience with transportation in the areas I'm
>> checking out at least for now, here is my list of possible locales.  I
>> still have yet to meet with my professors and get their views on where I
>> should go so the list will dwindle for sure, but I'm trying to be as
>> proactive as possible.
>> Illinois:
>> Oaklawn, Park Ridge, Chicago (I'm assuming downtown based on the
>> information I have), Lisle, Countryside, Evanston.
>> Texas:
>> Dallas.
>> Ohio:
>> Cincinnati (don't need info on that one as that's my hometown).
>> Columbus, Cleveland.
>> Michigan:
>> Greenville.
>> Indiana:
>> Indianapolis, Fishers.
>> Minnesota:
>> Minneapolis.
>> Iowa:
>> Dubuque.
>> New York:
>> Yonkers, Rodchester, Harris.
>> New Jersey:
>> Peapack.
>> Tennessee:
>> Jackson.
>>
>> --
>> Kaiti Shelton
>>
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From amanie1226 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 23:23:16 2016
From: amanie1226 at gmail.com (amanie)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 19:23:16 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for information on transportation in cities
 around the U.S
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OK sounds good.
I'm always here to help.


Sent from my iPhone Ms. Amanie T Riley
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B.S. Psychology/Education
914-308-6944

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Thank you for the feedback thus far.  I'll try to respond as in order
> as possible to the last few messages.
> 
> I'm afraid Michigan is completely out as there aren't any other
> internship sites that I'm interested in; most are hospice-related and
> there is a school system in Detroit, but it requires significant
> driving from school to school in each day so it would not be feasible.
> 
> As I said in my original message, I am taking a variety of factors
> into consideration from the clientelle served, to the knowledge and
> expertise of the supervisors, to the amount of driving or travel time
> required in a day.  The bottom line is that I could pick an internship
> that is a great fit for me, but I won't be able to take it if I don't
> have a reliable and affordable way of getting there and back to where
> I'm staying, as well as to places like the grocery store or pharmacy I
> will need to travel to on a weekly or bi-weekly basis.  I also simply
> cannot take jobs that require a lot of driving; sometimes MTs or
> interns will drive all over a state to see clients, which for me would
> just take too much time and reliance upon other people's schedules for
> me to have any kind of for sure consistency.  Part of what will make
> or break the fit for me will be my ability to navigate the area, no
> matter how well the internship site fits into the other categories.
> Of course I won't take an internship that won't be such a good fit
> just because the city might have some great transportation, but it is
> something my professors and I need to pay attention to.  AS for
> looking into crime and the decline of some of the cities on the list,
> that's the whole reason why some of those sites are there---to serve
> under-served people in those areas who don't otherwise have access to
> resources provided there.  Many internships either have housing worked
> out for a low cost, or they can help by providing resources to get set
> up with housing nearby.  If I get my top choice, that internship site
> has an agreement with host families who I would pay room and board to,
> I think.  I have thought about seeing what my voc rehab agency might
> be able to help out with in transportation, but I won't have a ton of
> money to be able to hire drivers as much as what a lot of the sites
> would require (For example, that's why I'm not taking the ones that
> contract out through school districts and require interns to travel
> from school to school throughout the day; I'd basically need a driver
> to shuttle me to new places every 45 minutes or so the whole work day
> for most of the time).
> 
> The news about Yonkers is encouraging.  I've also been to Rodchester
> before and unless it has changed in the last few years since I have
> been there, I remember them having a good system in place, too.  I
> might take you up on your offer for more information if I pursue my
> sites in those cities.
> 
>> On 9/18/16, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> The only city that really good in Michigan for transportation is Kalamazoo
>> the zoo or grand rapid
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 12:51 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Kaiti,
>>> 
>>> I applaud you for being proactive in your internship placement. However, I
>>> think narrowing down your internship selection based solely on
>>> transportation is a lot like selecting a college or university based
>>> solely on the level of accommodations offered by a disabilities office. I
>>> do not believe either one of these approaches work well as there are
>>> usually a number of different factors that go into these types of
>>> decisions.
>>> 
>>> I noticed some of your selections in your list of possibilities include
>>> places that are known for being places of manufacturing that are now in
>>> decline. As manufacturing jobs decline, the population of these places
>>> decline, and the rates of crime increases. This may be something worth
>>> considering that is just as important as transportation.
>>> 
>>> Also, Chicago might be good in terms of transportation, but it has a high
>>> homicide rate due to gun violence. However, this is not to say that all
>>> parts of Chicago are like this though. But I would imagine that the nicer
>>> parts of the city may also be a lot more expensive than your current way
>>> of living. I think these are also important things to consider for your
>>> internship placement.
>>> 
>>> In terms of providing future opportunities for your career, I would
>>> suggest either Minneapolis or Indianapolis. I have heard a lot about how
>>> these two cities have grown over the past several years in terms of
>>> attracting and retaining young professionals. I do not know anything about
>>> Indianapolis beyond what I have heard about it. However, I know
>>> Minneapolis has a good transportation system provided you can withstand
>>> the frigid cold winters there.
>>> 
>>> In terms of working in a smaller city, especially if it is anywhere in the
>>> Midwest, you would most likely need to give up living in a place that has
>>> good public transportation. I do not know of any small towns or cities
>>> that have much in terms of providing public transportation. However, I do
>>> not see why hiring your own driver would not be an option if you are
>>> interested in working in a smaller city.
>>> 
>>> I have never been to Greenville before as I do not know of a way to get
>>> there using public transportation. However, transportation is not all that
>>> great here in Michigan given the reliance and culture of automotive
>>> manufacturing. I would imagine this would be the same in other places
>>> where automotive manufacturing has been a predominant part of the
>>> culture.
>>> 
>>> While I completely understand the need for reliable and affordable
>>> transportation, I would focus more on what the internship itself has to
>>> offer in terms of providing future possibilities for a career. So I would
>>> say that you should narrow down your internship possibilities down to
>>> where you could picture yourself living and working five years from now.
>>> If you cannot picture yourself working and living there within five years,
>>> then it might not necessarily be the best internship placement for you.
>>> This is the criteria I would use in determining an internship placement
>>> where I have some sort of say in the decision process.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, I hope this helps you in selecting the best place for your
>>> internship. I am confident that regardless of where your internship takes
>>> place that you will make the best of the circumstances, and gain the most
>>> out of your internship.
>>> 
>>> Warm regards,
>>> Elizabeth
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
>>> via NABS-L
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 10:47 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for information on transportation in cities
>>> around the U.S
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I'm beginning to delve into the pre-application process for my required
>>> post-graduation internship, and I could end up anywhere around the
>>> country.  My professors thankfully are conscious of my needs and have
>>> remarked a few months ago before I even said something, "We'll have to get
>>> you something with a bus line."
>>> 
>>> Naturally, a ton of factors are going into my decision-making process.
>>> I know I want to work with children and adolescents and the types of
>>> settings I would be interested in working in.  I am also considering who
>>> the supervisor is and what their background is, the theoretical
>>> orientation of the facility (humanistic or behavioral for example), and if
>>> they have a stipent or housing available.  However, transportation will
>>> play a major role in my decision as well as I will need a way to get to
>>> work and to places like the store from wherever I end up living.
>>> Unfortunately this means some really good sites might need to be cut from
>>> my list simply because they're in rural areas or request students with
>>> cars who can drive to multiple locations for sessions during a given day,
>>> but such is life.
>>> 
>>> I'm wondering if anyone else has been in this position and has found a way
>>> to research what public transportation options are available in various
>>> cities and states.  I do have paratransit where I go to school now, but as
>>> the internship is 6 months there I might also need to look into gaining
>>> long-term access to those services if they are offered.
>>> Naturally, I'm leaning more towards cities that are larger and that I know
>>> have well-established public transportation systems like Chicago and
>>> Minneapolis-St. Paul, but I'd like to find more information to see if the
>>> ones I'm looking at in smaller towns are also doable.  Any strategies or
>>> web sites with information would be helpful.
>>> 
>>> In case anyone has experience with transportation in the areas I'm
>>> checking out at least for now, here is my list of possible locales.  I
>>> still have yet to meet with my professors and get their views on where I
>>> should go so the list will dwindle for sure, but I'm trying to be as
>>> proactive as possible.
>>> Illinois:
>>> Oaklawn, Park Ridge, Chicago (I'm assuming downtown based on the
>>> information I have), Lisle, Countryside, Evanston.
>>> Texas:
>>> Dallas.
>>> Ohio:
>>> Cincinnati (don't need info on that one as that's my hometown).
>>> Columbus, Cleveland.
>>> Michigan:
>>> Greenville.
>>> Indiana:
>>> Indianapolis, Fishers.
>>> Minnesota:
>>> Minneapolis.
>>> Iowa:
>>> Dubuque.
>>> New York:
>>> Yonkers, Rodchester, Harris.
>>> New Jersey:
>>> Peapack.
>>> Tennessee:
>>> Jackson.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Kaiti Shelton
>>> 
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 23:29:51 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 19:29:51 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Print Page Equivalent on Apex
Message-ID: <57df2370.8fd40d0a.5b905.58d8@mx.google.com>

Hi Vejas,

You can control the formatting of a document fairly well on the 
Apex.  Control L on a Qt gets you access to the layout list 
(sorry I'm not sure what the BT command is), which you can use to 
set your document to double space and also to set up things like 
indents.  Control p gets you the page settings list which lets 
you control the number of lines on the page and the page width.  
For a standard equivalence of Times New Roman twelve point font 
you want to set your paper width to 110 and your paper length to 
50.  Unfortunately, all this formatting only works in a KWT file, 
so you can write on the Apex and make sure you have the right 
length, but then you have to reformat on another computer before 
submitting your paper.  Alternatively, you might be able to print 
from your KWT file directly (I've never done this), but then 
because the Apex doesn't let you control fonts, your paper won't 
be in the Times New Roman that nearly all college classes 
require.

HTH,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
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To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 15:48:51 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Print Page Equivalent on Apex

Hi All,
I am in the process of writing a paper on my Apex. The paper must 
be 3 to 4 pages in length, double-spaced, but no more than 4 
pages.
How do  Apex users gauge the page amount taking into account that 
the Apex shows page numbers differently?
Thanks,
Vejas
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From jameyanne at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 23:46:22 2016
From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 19:46:22 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Print Page Equivalent on Apex
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References: <57df2370.8fd40d0a.5b905.58d8@mx.google.com>
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If I wrote a paper on my Apex, I always did the formatting on my computer
because it was just easier for me, but I measured how long the paper was by
the word count, which is fairly accurate on the Apex. In Times New Roman
font, there are roughly 250 words to a double-spaced print page. So a 3-4
page paper would be 750-1000 words. Hope this is helpful.
Jameyanne

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Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 7:30 PM
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Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Print Page Equivalent on Apex

Hi Vejas,

You can control the formatting of a document fairly well on the 
Apex.  Control L on a Qt gets you access to the layout list 
(sorry I'm not sure what the BT command is), which you can use to 
set your document to double space and also to set up things like 
indents.  Control p gets you the page settings list which lets 
you control the number of lines on the page and the page width.  
For a standard equivalence of Times New Roman twelve point font 
you want to set your paper width to 110 and your paper length to 
50.  Unfortunately, all this formatting only works in a KWT file, 
so you can write on the Apex and make sure you have the right 
length, but then you have to reformat on another computer before 
submitting your paper.  Alternatively, you might be able to print 
from your KWT file directly (I've never done this), but then 
because the Apex doesn't let you control fonts, your paper won't 
be in the Times New Roman that nearly all college classes 
require.

HTH,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Vejas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 15:48:51 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Print Page Equivalent on Apex

Hi All,
I am in the process of writing a paper on my Apex. The paper must 
be 3 to 4 pages in length, double-spaced, but no more than 4 
pages.
How do  Apex users gauge the page amount taking into account that 
the Apex shows page numbers differently?
Thanks,
Vejas
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 00:19:00 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 20:19:00 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Print Page Equivalent on Apex
Message-ID: <57df2ef5.47a3810a.c71a5.5bdd@mx.google.com>

I've usually been told it's about 300 words to the print page.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 19:46:22 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Print Page Equivalent on Apex

If I wrote a paper on my Apex, I always did the formatting on my 
computer
because it was just easier for me, but I measured how long the 
paper was by
the word count, which is fairly accurate on the Apex. In Times 
New Roman
font, there are roughly 250 words to a double-spaced print page. 
So a 3-4
page paper would be 750-1000 words. Hope this is helpful.
Jameyanne

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl 
Martin
Adam via NABS-L
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 7:30 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Print Page Equivalent on Apex

Hi Vejas,

You can control the formatting of a document fairly well on the
Apex.  Control L on a Qt gets you access to the layout list
(sorry I'm not sure what the BT command is), which you can use to
set your document to double space and also to set up things like
indents.  Control p gets you the page settings list which lets
you control the number of lines on the page and the page width.
For a standard equivalence of Times New Roman twelve point font
you want to set your paper width to 110 and your paper length to
50.  Unfortunately, all this formatting only works in a KWT file,
so you can write on the Apex and make sure you have the right
length, but then you have to reformat on another computer before
submitting your paper.  Alternatively, you might be able to print
from your KWT file directly (I've never done this), but then
because the Apex doesn't let you control fonts, your paper won't
be in the Times New Roman that nearly all college classes
require.

HTH,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Vejas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 15:48:51 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Print Page Equivalent on Apex

Hi All,
I am in the process of writing a paper on my Apex. The paper must
be 3 to 4 pages in length, double-spaced, but no more than 4
pages.
How do  Apex users gauge the page amount taking into account that
the Apex shows page numbers differently?
Thanks,
Vejas
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 00:34:23 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 20:34:23 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for information on transportation in cities
 around the U.S
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FbtSht-L+9kKF6FMj8u3hMcro5OEjaNFCM0_Vo2i8m-Tw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FYx-PiX-y=oViy7P-rcBezkCy9nHt_Y6v76cL-_=OM6=g@mail.gmail.com>	<SN1PR12MB01598188A800365DB8D035EFBAF50@SN1PR12MB0159.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>	<1D83FAFE-FE6B-466D-B82A-99FF1FAF9B13@gmail.com>
	<CAFja7FbtSht-L+9kKF6FMj8u3hMcro5OEjaNFCM0_Vo2i8m-Tw@mail.gmail.com>
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Greenville where?  We have a Greenville South Carolina, you are not talking
about that are you>
 Justin

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Cc: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Looking for information on transportation in cities
around the U.S

Hi all,

Thank you for the feedback thus far.  I'll try to respond as in order as
possible to the last few messages.

I'm afraid Michigan is completely out as there aren't any other internship
sites that I'm interested in; most are hospice-related and there is a school
system in Detroit, but it requires significant driving from school to school
in each day so it would not be feasible.

As I said in my original message, I am taking a variety of factors into
consideration from the clientelle served, to the knowledge and expertise of
the supervisors, to the amount of driving or travel time required in a day.
The bottom line is that I could pick an internship that is a great fit for
me, but I won't be able to take it if I don't have a reliable and affordable
way of getting there and back to where I'm staying, as well as to places
like the grocery store or pharmacy I will need to travel to on a weekly or
bi-weekly basis.  I also simply cannot take jobs that require a lot of
driving; sometimes MTs or interns will drive all over a state to see
clients, which for me would just take too much time and reliance upon other
people's schedules for me to have any kind of for sure consistency.  Part of
what will make or break the fit for me will be my ability to navigate the
area, no matter how well the internship site fits into the other categories.
Of course I won't take an internship that won't be such a good fit just
because the city might have some great transportation, but it is something
my professors and I need to pay attention to.  AS for looking into crime and
the decline of some of the cities on the list, that's the whole reason why
some of those sites are there---to serve under-served people in those areas
who don't otherwise have access to resources provided there.  Many
internships either have housing worked out for a low cost, or they can help
by providing resources to get set up with housing nearby.  If I get my top
choice, that internship site has an agreement with host families who I would
pay room and board to, I think.  I have thought about seeing what my voc
rehab agency might be able to help out with in transportation, but I won't
have a ton of money to be able to hire drivers as much as what a lot of the
sites would require (For example, that's why I'm not taking the ones that
contract out through school districts and require interns to travel from
school to school throughout the day; I'd basically need a driver to shuttle
me to new places every 45 minutes or so the whole work day for most of the
time).

The news about Yonkers is encouraging.  I've also been to Rodchester before
and unless it has changed in the last few years since I have been there, I
remember them having a good system in place, too.  I might take you up on
your offer for more information if I pursue my sites in those cities.

On 9/18/16, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> The only city that really good in Michigan for transportation is 
> Kalamazoo the zoo or grand rapid
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 12:51 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Kaiti,
>>
>> I applaud you for being proactive in your internship placement. 
>> However, I think narrowing down your internship selection based 
>> solely on transportation is a lot like selecting a college or 
>> university based solely on the level of accommodations offered by a 
>> disabilities office. I do not believe either one of these approaches 
>> work well as there are usually a number of different factors that go 
>> into these types of decisions.
>>
>> I noticed some of your selections in your list of possibilities 
>> include places that are known for being places of manufacturing that 
>> are now in decline. As manufacturing jobs decline, the population of 
>> these places decline, and the rates of crime increases. This may be 
>> something worth considering that is just as important as transportation.
>>
>> Also, Chicago might be good in terms of transportation, but it has a 
>> high homicide rate due to gun violence. However, this is not to say 
>> that all parts of Chicago are like this though. But I would imagine 
>> that the nicer parts of the city may also be a lot more expensive 
>> than your current way of living. I think these are also important 
>> things to consider for your internship placement.
>>
>> In terms of providing future opportunities for your career, I would 
>> suggest either Minneapolis or Indianapolis. I have heard a lot about 
>> how these two cities have grown over the past several years in terms 
>> of attracting and retaining young professionals. I do not know 
>> anything about Indianapolis beyond what I have heard about it. 
>> However, I know Minneapolis has a good transportation system provided 
>> you can withstand the frigid cold winters there.
>>
>> In terms of working in a smaller city, especially if it is anywhere 
>> in the Midwest, you would most likely need to give up living in a 
>> place that has good public transportation. I do not know of any small 
>> towns or cities that have much in terms of providing public 
>> transportation. However, I do not see why hiring your own driver 
>> would not be an option if you are interested in working in a smaller
city.
>>
>> I have never been to Greenville before as I do not know of a way to 
>> get there using public transportation. However, transportation is not 
>> all that great here in Michigan given the reliance and culture of 
>> automotive manufacturing. I would imagine this would be the same in 
>> other places where automotive manufacturing has been a predominant 
>> part of the culture.
>>
>> While I completely understand the need for reliable and affordable 
>> transportation, I would focus more on what the internship itself has 
>> to offer in terms of providing future possibilities for a career. So 
>> I would say that you should narrow down your internship possibilities 
>> down to where you could picture yourself living and working five years
from now.
>> If you cannot picture yourself working and living there within five 
>> years, then it might not necessarily be the best internship placement for
you.
>> This is the criteria I would use in determining an internship 
>> placement where I have some sort of say in the decision process.
>>
>> Anyway, I hope this helps you in selecting the best place for your 
>> internship. I am confident that regardless of where your internship 
>> takes place that you will make the best of the circumstances, and 
>> gain the most out of your internship.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>> Elizabeth
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti 
>> Shelton via NABS-L
>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 10:47 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for information on transportation in cities 
>> around the U.S
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm beginning to delve into the pre-application process for my 
>> required post-graduation internship, and I could end up anywhere 
>> around the country.  My professors thankfully are conscious of my 
>> needs and have remarked a few months ago before I even said 
>> something, "We'll have to get you something with a bus line."
>>
>> Naturally, a ton of factors are going into my decision-making process.
>> I know I want to work with children and adolescents and the types of 
>> settings I would be interested in working in.  I am also considering 
>> who the supervisor is and what their background is, the theoretical 
>> orientation of the facility (humanistic or behavioral for example), 
>> and if they have a stipent or housing available.  However, 
>> transportation will play a major role in my decision as well as I 
>> will need a way to get to work and to places like the store from wherever
I end up living.
>> Unfortunately this means some really good sites might need to be cut 
>> from my list simply because they're in rural areas or request 
>> students with cars who can drive to multiple locations for sessions 
>> during a given day, but such is life.
>>
>> I'm wondering if anyone else has been in this position and has found 
>> a way to research what public transportation options are available in 
>> various cities and states.  I do have paratransit where I go to 
>> school now, but as the internship is 6 months there I might also need 
>> to look into gaining long-term access to those services if they are
offered.
>> Naturally, I'm leaning more towards cities that are larger and that I 
>> know have well-established public transportation systems like Chicago 
>> and Minneapolis-St. Paul, but I'd like to find more information to 
>> see if the ones I'm looking at in smaller towns are also doable.  Any 
>> strategies or web sites with information would be helpful.
>>
>> In case anyone has experience with transportation in the areas I'm 
>> checking out at least for now, here is my list of possible locales.  
>> I still have yet to meet with my professors and get their views on 
>> where I should go so the list will dwindle for sure, but I'm trying 
>> to be as proactive as possible.
>> Illinois:
>> Oaklawn, Park Ridge, Chicago (I'm assuming downtown based on the 
>> information I have), Lisle, Countryside, Evanston.
>> Texas:
>> Dallas.
>> Ohio:
>> Cincinnati (don't need info on that one as that's my hometown).
>> Columbus, Cleveland.
>> Michigan:
>> Greenville.
>> Indiana:
>> Indianapolis, Fishers.
>> Minnesota:
>> Minneapolis.
>> Iowa:
>> Dubuque.
>> New York:
>> Yonkers, Rodchester, Harris.
>> New Jersey:
>> Peapack.
>> Tennessee:
>> Jackson.
>>
>> --
>> Kaiti Shelton
>>
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From gpaikens at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 00:42:19 2016
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 20:42:19 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] UEB Braille
In-Reply-To: <CABfRTqLhhfv3VVADS6kPB9KxAfeM95u8owc3T+iMWJ8Fd0CewA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABfRTqLhhfv3VVADS6kPB9KxAfeM95u8owc3T+iMWJ8Fd0CewA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <17428582-1000-4B1F-BE39-B373290E32FE@gmail.com>

Sounds like a good question for your instructor. My instructor for the Transition to UEB course at Hadley was always prompt in answering me. 

Best,
Greg

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:01 AM, Angela Roberts via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello fellow students,
> I'm trying to read my Braille Assignment for Hadley Institude, but I think
> either I'm reading it wrong, or that there are errors in the reading
> assignment.
> First, there's a number sign in the middle of the Address to "Sally".
> It's in between the numbers 876 and 1,12.   Also, the word consultant has
> the letters V and A in front of it, and the word Programmer in front of the
> letter V and A.
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From gpaikens at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 00:48:36 2016
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 20:48:36 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Print Page Equivalent on Apex
In-Reply-To: <02A2A33C-52D0-4B67-B3BB-F2E0FACF3302@gmail.com>
References: <02A2A33C-52D0-4B67-B3BB-F2E0FACF3302@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E96033C1-14D9-4F8E-9789-26D3FE56464C@gmail.com>

Hi Vejas,
I can’t directly answer your question since I’ve never used an Apex to write papers but a general rule of thumb I used in grad school was that using Times New Roman size 12, double spaced, about 300 words fit on a page. You could always check by saving the file as a word document and loading it onto your computer to check. 

Best,
Greg

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:48 PM, Vejas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> I am in the process of writing a paper on my Apex. The paper must be 3 to 4 pages in length, double-spaced, but no more than 4 pages.
> How do  Apex users gauge the page amount taking into account that the Apex shows page numbers differently?
> Thanks,
> Vejas 
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From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 15:37:09 2016
From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 11:37:09 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Print Page Equivalent on Apex
In-Reply-To: <E96033C1-14D9-4F8E-9789-26D3FE56464C@gmail.com>
References: <02A2A33C-52D0-4B67-B3BB-F2E0FACF3302@gmail.com>
	<E96033C1-14D9-4F8E-9789-26D3FE56464C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+6VNgNeytPKW+gsKUE1aA0JjauqXdBFhQvO93PNWj9xRv0GYQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Vejas,

I would suggest handling all the formatting on the computer - I have
always found it more reliable than trying to control the font size and
spacing on the Apex. As others have said, for a double-spaced document
with 12-point Times New Roman font, 300 words per page is a pretty
good rule of thumb. By this calculation, your paper should be between
900 and 1200 words. I have always used this rule when writing papers
on my Apex and it works pretty well. Hope this helps!

Katie


On 9/18/16, Greg Aikens via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Vejas,
> I can’t directly answer your question since I’ve never used an Apex to write
> papers but a general rule of thumb I used in grad school was that using
> Times New Roman size 12, double spaced, about 300 words fit on a page. You
> could always check by saving the file as a word document and loading it onto
> your computer to check.
>
> Best,
> Greg
>
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:48 PM, Vejas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>> I am in the process of writing a paper on my Apex. The paper must be 3 to
>> 4 pages in length, double-spaced, but no more than 4 pages.
>> How do  Apex users gauge the page amount taking into account that the Apex
>> shows page numbers differently?
>> Thanks,
>> Vejas
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From GCazares at nfb.org  Mon Sep 19 19:18:08 2016
From: GCazares at nfb.org (Cazares, Gabe)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 19:18:08 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Needing bibliography software that will work (nicely)
 with Jaws
In-Reply-To: <CAOy_VPQwZ=7XJ0gMZT=-Ed0mRT4TnPMs5vtF+ehqdKtA8xq42w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <229D1EFC-E884-4363-B044-21CEF94B3915@txstate.edu>
	<CAOy_VPQwZ=7XJ0gMZT=-Ed0mRT4TnPMs5vtF+ehqdKtA8xq42w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BN6PR17MB11562F598450EA75DF219FA1DEF40@BN6PR17MB1156.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>

Howdy NABSters,

Please see the below inquiry regarding bibliographic software and JAWS. If you have any information, please reach out to Nell directly. I would appreciate any help you could offer my friend regarding this matter.
Thanks!

...Gabe

Gabe Cazares
Government Affairs Specialist
National Federation of the Blind
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Baltimore, MD 21230
E: gcazares at nfb.org
O: (410) 659-9314 Ext. 2206
C: (281) 965-9583
T: @gmcazares

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.

Make a gift to the National Federation of the Blind and help ensure all blind Americans live the lives they want.


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Eichler, Nell MH W" <nell6 at txstate.edu>
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 19:00:27 +0000
Subject: Needing bibliography software that will work (nicely) with Jaws
Cc: "Johnston-Ashton, Karen L" <klj58 at txstate.edu>

Hi Gabe,

There is a graduate student in the Developmental Education department who has tried to use RefWorks, but she is having a really hard time with it. Do you, or does anyone around you, know if EndNote or some other bibliography software works (nicely) with Jaws?

Thank you so much!

Nell


Nell Wackwitz
Doctoral Teaching Assistant
Department of Mathematics
Texas State University
217 Derrick Hall
512-245-4745 (office)
210-861-9934 (cell)
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From blindlaw at nfbnet.org  Mon Sep 19 19:34:23 2016
From: blindlaw at nfbnet.org (Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 14:34:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Brown Goldstein & Levy:  Disability Rights Fellowship
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Disability Rights Fellowship

The Brown, Goldstein & Levy Disability Rights 
Fellowship is available to law school graduates 
with a disability and zero to three years of 
legal experience. Applicants should have strong 
academic credentials, excellent writing skills, 
and a demonstrated commitment to disability 
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Applications are now being accepted for the 2017 
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fellowship will begin on September 18, 2017 and end on August 31, 2018.

For more information, please download our 
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A completed application will consist of the following:
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·         a copy of your law school transcript, 
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·         a legal writing sample with a cover 
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editing or contributions by persons other than 
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·         a current resume; and
·         a list of three references, including 
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Applications must be received no later than 
November 4, 2016.  Please submit your application 
by e-mail to recruiting at browngold.com 
<mailto:recruiting at browngold.com> or by mail to:

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From pompey2010 at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 20 01:48:38 2016
From: pompey2010 at yahoo.com (Bobbi Pompey)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 20:48:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Brown Goldstein & Levy:  Disability Rights Fellowship
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Bobbi A. L. Pompey
(336) 988-6375
http://bobbialpompey.webs.com 

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Disability Rights Fellowship
> 
> The Brown, Goldstein & Levy Disability Rights Fellowship is available to law school graduates with a disability and zero to three years of legal experience. Applicants should have strong academic credentials, excellent writing skills, and a demonstrated commitment to disability rights.  It is a one-year fellowship and may include the opportunity for a second year.
> 
> Applications are now being accepted for the 2017 BGL Disability Rights Fellowship.  This fellowship will begin on September 18, 2017 and end on August 31, 2018.
> 
> For more information, please download our Fellowship Brochure<http://www.browngold.com/wbcntntprd1/wp-content/uploads/fellowship_brochure2017.pdf> or Fellowship Application<http://www.browngold.com/wbcntntprd1/wp-content/uploads/fellowship_application2017.pdf>.
> 
> A completed application will consist of the following:
> ·         a cover letter, no longer than two pages, explaining the ways in which you meet the selection criteria;
> ·         a copy of your law school transcript, including an explanation of your institution’s grading policy;
> ·         a legal writing sample with a cover page indicating the source of the sample, any editing or contributions by persons other than the applicant, and the legal citation style used;
> ·         a current resume; and
> ·         a list of three references, including name, relationship, and contact information.
> 
> Applications must be received no later than November 4, 2016.  Please submit your application by e-mail to recruiting at browngold.com <mailto:recruiting at browngold.com> or by mail to:
> 
> Disability Rights Fellowship
> Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP
> 120 E. Baltimore Street, Suite 1700
> Baltimore, MD 21202
> Sharon Krevor-Weisbaum
> Managing Partner
> BROWN GOLDSTEIN LEVY
> 
> 120 E. Baltimore Street, Suite 1700
> 
> Baltimore, MD  21202
> 
> Tel.:      410.962.1030 x1326
> 
> Fax:      410.385.0869
> 
> Email:  skw at browngold.com<mailto:skw at browngold.com>
> 
> About Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP
> 
> About Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP
> Brown, Goldstein & Levy, based in Baltimore, Maryland, handles both civil and criminal litigation and has active practices in many other area of the law, including family law, disability rights, and health care.  For more information, visit www.browngold.com<http://www.browngold.com/>.
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Tue Sep 20 05:17:39 2016
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 00:17:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Taking Action on the #HowEyeSeeIt Campaign
Message-ID: <026a01d212fe$4f10f430$ed32dc90$@gmail.com>

Dear NABSters:

 

As you may have seen on social media in recent days, various groups
attempting to raise funds for efforts to "cure" blindness have been
conducting a campaign using the hashtag #HowEyeSeeIt. Though we in the
Federation have no problem with medical research on blindness, we are quite
concerned about the misconceptions which are being perpetuated in the
messages sent out as part of this campaign. Therefore, in true Federation
fashion, we have decided to take action. Please see the below messages from
Danielle Trevino and President Riccobono respectively, and participate in
our counter-campaign by sharing videos of how you live the life you want
every day. Also, when you post your videos, please mention @nabslink in your
tweets and tag Nabs Link in your Facebook posts so we can share your
demonstrations far and wide. As Meet the Blind Month approaches, we have a
unique opportunity to educate the public in a way which will have a lasting
and widespread impact. Now, let's show the world how we really see it!

 

Thanks for all you do,

 

Chris Nusbaum, Board Member

National Association of Blind Students

 

Good morning: 

 

Please see the below message that President Riccobono sent out to affiliate
leaders this weekend. It is important that we take action to push back on
the harmful message that this campaign is spreading. Please note that
thehashtag is spelled using the word "eye," not the letter I. Thank you. 

 

Dear Federation Affiliate Leaders: 

 

Some of you have brought to my attention the social media campaign using the
hashtag #HowEyeSeeIt. The people using this hashtag are making videos of
themselves attempting to do everyday tasks under blindfold with the
misguided view that this experience will help them know what it is like to
be blind. The motivation for the campaign is to raise funding to eliminate
blindness. We in the National Federation of the Blind know that blindness
doesn't hold us back. We also know that living with blindness requires
learning the techniques blind people use to do everyday tasks without
vision. We are not opposed to medical research, but the way to generate
interest in medical research is not by further spreading the fear of
blindness and strengthening misconceptions about the lived experience of
blind people. 

 

The current videos being circulated with the #HowEyeSeeIt campaign are
perpetuating the idea that blindness is something to be feared and that
blind people adhere to low expectations. Some of the tasks people are
encouraged to do in this campaign are having a friend give them an
unidentified amount of cash and then, under blindfold, attempting to pay for
a meal with this money. Another particularly outrageous example is people
are asked to attempt to take care of your child for one minute while
blindfolded. At a time when we have launched new efforts for blind parents
who have their children take away because of misconceptions about blindness,
this is dangerous and offensive. These examples and the dozens of others
used in the campaign rely on the notion that vision is a requirement for
success, but we know the truth-blindness does not define us or our future.

 

It is critical that we now join together to combat this harmful campaign. I
urge all Federation leaders to lead by example and to encourage the members
of the Federation in your state to join with me in changing the perception
that blindness is something to be feared and that significantly limits our
lives. Now is the time to turn our fear into power and that power into
action. We have the opportunity to demonstrate how we live the lives we want
as blind people in a commanding way. All you have to do is:

1.       Make a video of yourself accomplishing an everyday task as a blind
person. For example, show how you dance, sing, exercise, care for your
children, go to school or work, play sports, manage your finances, travel,
participate in social events, enjoy your hobbies-in short, take a video of
yourself living the life you want.

2.       At the end of your video, say that you're a proud member of the
National Federation of the Blind, and tag three friends or family members to
keep the trend going. You can also urge your audience to make a donation to
the NFB.

3.       Upload your video to social media using the hashtag #HowEyeSeeIt.
Make sure to link to our website,  <http://www.nfb.org> www.nfb.org, and tag
the NFB in your Tweet, Facebook, or Instagram post. If the people you
mentioned in your video are on social media, be sure to tag them too. 

 


Together, we can show the world that blindness is not what holds us back by
demonstrating how we live the lives we want. We've published a blog, "
<https://nfb.org/blog/vonb-blog/challenging-fear-blindness> Challenging the
Fear of Blindness," that I encourage you to share. Please be sure to share
with me other ideas you have about how we take this opportunity to
demonstrate the truth about blindness. Send me an email with your ideas to
<mailto:officeofthepresident at nfb.org> officeofthepresident at nfb.org. Please
provide me with updates on how the effort is moving forward in your
affiliate and how I can help.

 

Let us work together with love, hope, and determination to erase the fear of
blindness and raise expectations.

 

 

 

Danielle Trevino

Coordinator for Social Media and Member Engagement

National Federation of the Blind

 

Chris Nusbaum, President

Maryland Association of Blind Students

Board Member, National Association of Blind Students

Phone: (443) 547-2409

Email: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com <mailto:dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> 

Twitter: @Chrisn98 and @nabslink

 

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
expectations for blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
blindness is not what holds you bak.

 


From bre.brown24 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 20 09:33:51 2016
From: bre.brown24 at gmail.com (Bre Brown)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 04:33:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for congenitally blind students who have taken
 college level calculous
Message-ID: <CACXqA0rcsOgKgSm0cGdjEFWxSqrm_RfYVhJ2bNLp2E6D-HdWOA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

Nell Wackwitx is a doctoral student in mathematics here at Texas State
University. Her dissertation has to do with moving blind/visually
impaired students through the stem education pipeline.
She is currently looking for students who are congenitally blind and
who have completed college level calculous to participate in a study.
Students who participate will take part in an interview with Nell
about your experiences with math throughout your life and then do a
series of math problems.
If you are interested in being a participant, have questions, or would
like more information, please email me off list at
bre.brown24 at gmail.com

Thanks
Bre Brown

Vice President, National Association of Blind Students


From melissaflammia at gmail.com  Tue Sep 20 10:52:01 2016
From: melissaflammia at gmail.com (melissaflammia at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 06:52:01 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions regarding hiring drivers
Message-ID: <94CC78AF-8C84-42FA-BAF3-F54833B465FF@gmail.com>

Hi everyone.

I am a bit off the student topic with this email; but, I am looking at the possibility of hiring a driver as I am in sort of a rural area. 

As soon as my health is stable, I am going to be back in college, and if things don't go well with a housing option I will be traveling 25 miles one way.

So, if anyone here has hired a driver... My questions are:

1. Did you hire your driver out of family, or was it something that had to be advertised?

2. As far as pay, did you pay by the mile or by the hour?

3. Did you hire a few drivers  in order for the workload to not be too bad on a single driver?

If anyone could provide any assistance with any advice, please email me off list at melissaflammia at aol.com !

Sincerely,
Melissa 

From piano.girl0299 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 20 14:42:06 2016
From: piano.girl0299 at gmail.com (Kelsey Nicolay)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 10:42:06 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] using a pocket size braille display with an ipad or iphone
Message-ID: <57e14afb.c12d810a.86307.45d7@mx.google.com>

Hello,
I have a Focus 14 blue Braille display that I use with my ipad.  
It is fine for reading text messages, but I'm having a heck of a 
time browsing the web and reading emails with such a small 
display.  I may soon be getting an iphone and I was wondering if 
anyone who uses a smaller display has any suggestions on how to 
make it easier to read email and browse the web more efficiently.  
I bought the Focus for portability, but I'm starting to consider 
something larger but still something I can still carry around 
easily.  I am considering the Brailliant Bi 32 since I already 
have a 40 cell one and am familiar with it, but for anyone who 
uses the 32 cell Brailliant, how portable is it and can it easily 
fit into a purse or bag?
Thank you,
Kelsey Nicolay


From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Sep 20 11:56:57 2016
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 06:56:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions regarding hiring drivers
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References: <94CC78AF-8C84-42FA-BAF3-F54833B465FF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FEF53C56-C619-48FE-8E64-46CC570A16E8@visi.com>

Who you hire is really up to you some people would want more hours so they could make more money I generally pay by the hour and some kind of allowance for gas so the answer to your question is both

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 5:52 AM, Melissa via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone.
> 
> I am a bit off the student topic with this email; but, I am looking at the possibility of hiring a driver as I am in sort of a rural area. 
> 
> As soon as my health is stable, I am going to be back in college, and if things don't go well with a housing option I will be traveling 25 miles one way.
> 
> So, if anyone here has hired a driver... My questions are:
> 
> 1. Did you hire your driver out of family, or was it something that had to be advertised?
> 
> 2. As far as pay, did you pay by the mile or by the hour?
> 
> 3. Did you hire a few drivers  in order for the workload to not be too bad on a single driver?
> 
> If anyone could provide any assistance with any advice, please email me off list at melissaflammia at aol.com !
> 
> Sincerely,
> Melissa 
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From pulyperez1 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 21 00:01:22 2016
From: pulyperez1 at gmail.com (Precious Perez)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 20:01:22 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] scanning books with Kurzweil
Message-ID: <5966B2FD-CBD4-48C3-8B68-671846ECBDFC@gmail.com>

Hello Everyone,
I am using Kurzweil to scan two books that I need for one of my courses. One of the books is small, and it fits on the scanner, so the process works well. The other book is both wider and thicker, and I'm having trouble orienting it so that the scanner can capture the pages fully. Does anyone have any tips for scanning books efficiently? I thought of using my scan stand with KNFB reader, but I'm not sure which scanning option would be more tedious or time-consuming.
Thanks in advance for your help! :) 

Precious
Sent from my iPhone

From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Wed Sep 21 00:51:20 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 17:51:20 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] scanning books with Kurzweil
In-Reply-To: <5966B2FD-CBD4-48C3-8B68-671846ECBDFC@gmail.com>
References: <5966B2FD-CBD4-48C3-8B68-671846ECBDFC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D7675A1F-D050-4AC8-BAAD-E333DA8CA07A@gmail.com>

Does your disability services offer the option of scanning books? Mine will scan  them as long as I buy them, and it is a very quick turnaround time.  They did have to cut a book I brought, but they used their judgement on that.
Vejas

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 17:01, Precious Perez via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> I am using Kurzweil to scan two books that I need for one of my courses. One of the books is small, and it fits on the scanner, so the process works well. The other book is both wider and thicker, and I'm having trouble orienting it so that the scanner can capture the pages fully. Does anyone have any tips for scanning books efficiently? I thought of using my scan stand with KNFB reader, but I'm not sure which scanning option would be more tedious or time-consuming.
> Thanks in advance for your help! :) 
> 
> Precious
> Sent from my iPhone
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From chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 21 01:47:17 2016
From: chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com (chelsea peahl)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 01:47:17 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] scanning books with Kurzweil
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I work for a disability services office. Your school should be able to cut the book, scan it, and then rebind it.

Chelsea Peahl

On Sep 20, 2016, at 6:02 PM, Precious Perez via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

Hello Everyone,
I am using Kurzweil to scan two books that I need for one of my courses. One of the books is small, and it fits on the scanner, so the process works well. The other book is both wider and thicker, and I'm having trouble orienting it so that the scanner can capture the pages fully. Does anyone have any tips for scanning books efficiently? I thought of using my scan stand with KNFB reader, but I'm not sure which scanning option would be more tedious or time-consuming.
Thanks in advance for your help! :)

Precious
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 21 02:05:41 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 22:05:41 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] scanning books with Kurzweil
Message-ID: <57e1eafd.c1c70d0a.29de0.a6dc@mx.google.com>

This depends on the school.  Some are able to scan books, others 
only request publisher files, which takes a long time.

 ----- Original Message -----
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To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 01:47:17 +0000
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] scanning books with Kurzweil

I work for a disability services office. Your school should be 
able to cut the book, scan it, and then rebind it.

Chelsea Peahl

On Sep 20, 2016, at 6:02 PM, Precious Perez via NABS-L 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

Hello Everyone,
I am using Kurzweil to scan two books that I need for one of my 
courses. One of the books is small, and it fits on the scanner, 
so the process works well. The other book is both wider and 
thicker, and I'm having trouble orienting it so that the scanner 
can capture the pages fully. Does anyone have any tips for 
scanning books efficiently? I thought of using my scan stand with 
KNFB reader, but I'm not sure which scanning option would be more 
tedious or time-consuming.
Thanks in advance for your help! :)

Precious
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From tristan.torres09 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 21 03:38:13 2016
From: tristan.torres09 at gmail.com (Tristan torres)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 23:38:13 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Experiences with the Braille Sense as a note-taker
Message-ID: <545000F5-392C-462E-B454-5DD547B5A450@gmail.com>

Hi all. 
I'm thinking of acquiring a Braille sense to use as a full-time notetaker, particularly in classes in which heavy use of braille is recommended, (such as a language or a mathematics course) . Has anyone used it for college, and what was your experience like?  Is the product reliable? When it breaks, can it be easily fixed? Also, since it runs on the android Os (and android has an eloquence voice) does the Braille sense have the same eloquence voice available? All help would be greatly appreciated. Cheers. 
Tristan

From louvins at gmail.com  Wed Sep 21 04:11:11 2016
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 23:11:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Experiences with the Braille Sense as a note-taker
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Hi Tristan.  The braille-sense does not I repeat not run on android.
You may be thinking of the braille-note touch.  I would highly
recommend getting the touch.  It does run off of android, and not only
can you download any accessible ap from the google play store, but as
a notetaker it would be perfect in class.  This is because if you used
the touch braille feature it would be extremely quiet and wouldn't
make any noise in class.  You would be able to concentrate on a
lecture, and still type with out disturbing any other students around
you.  As for getting the eloquence voice on the touch, I believe that
is possible.  I know the touch comes with I believe acapela Heather.
I don't know how much the eloquence voice would cost.  Good luck.  If
I had the money, I'd be buying a touch over any other note-taker.

On 9/20/16, Tristan torres via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all.
> I'm thinking of acquiring a Braille sense to use as a full-time notetaker,
> particularly in classes in which heavy use of braille is recommended, (such
> as a language or a mathematics course) . Has anyone used it for college, and
> what was your experience like?  Is the product reliable? When it breaks, can
> it be easily fixed? Also, since it runs on the android Os (and android has
> an eloquence voice) does the Braille sense have the same eloquence voice
> available? All help would be greatly appreciated. Cheers.
> Tristan
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From louvins at gmail.com  Wed Sep 21 04:13:20 2016
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 23:13:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] scanning books with Kurzweil
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The college I attended did scan my textbooks as long as I bought the
book I needed.  Also, Learning Ally and bookshare are also very good
sources for getting college textbooks.

On 9/20/16, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> This depends on the school.  Some are able to scan books, others
> only request publisher files, which takes a long time.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: chelsea peahl via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 01:47:17 +0000
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] scanning books with Kurzweil
>
> I work for a disability services office. Your school should be
> able to cut the book, scan it, and then rebind it.
>
> Chelsea Peahl
>
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 6:02 PM, Precious Perez via NABS-L
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
> I am using Kurzweil to scan two books that I need for one of my
> courses. One of the books is small, and it fits on the scanner,
> so the process works well. The other book is both wider and
> thicker, and I'm having trouble orienting it so that the scanner
> can capture the pages fully. Does anyone have any tips for
> scanning books efficiently? I thought of using my scan stand with
> KNFB reader, but I'm not sure which scanning option would be more
> tedious or time-consuming.
> Thanks in advance for your help! :)
>
> Precious
> Sent from my iPhone
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From pulyperez1 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 21 12:20:42 2016
From: pulyperez1 at gmail.com (Precious Perez)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 08:20:42 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] scanning books with Kurzweil
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I am going to talk with disability services today. These are specific music-related books, so Bookshare and Learning Ally don't have them.

Precious
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:13 AM, Joshua Hendrickson via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> The college I attended did scan my textbooks as long as I bought the
> book I needed.  Also, Learning Ally and bookshare are also very good
> sources for getting college textbooks.
> 
>> On 9/20/16, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> This depends on the school.  Some are able to scan books, others
>> only request publisher files, which takes a long time.
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: chelsea peahl via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 01:47:17 +0000
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] scanning books with Kurzweil
>> 
>> I work for a disability services office. Your school should be
>> able to cut the book, scan it, and then rebind it.
>> 
>> Chelsea Peahl
>> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 6:02 PM, Precious Perez via NABS-L
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> I am using Kurzweil to scan two books that I need for one of my
>> courses. One of the books is small, and it fits on the scanner,
>> so the process works well. The other book is both wider and
>> thicker, and I'm having trouble orienting it so that the scanner
>> can capture the pages fully. Does anyone have any tips for
>> scanning books efficiently? I thought of using my scan stand with
>> KNFB reader, but I'm not sure which scanning option would be more
>> tedious or time-consuming.
>> Thanks in advance for your help! :)
>> 
>> Precious
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Wed Sep 21 22:18:50 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 15:18:50 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Lock Screen Issue
Message-ID: <B1450245-3B71-496B-9421-369EFAD1A236@gmail.com>

Hi all,
I have been having a problem  with my Iphone which I am not sure is related to VoiceOver. I have my phone set to auto lock after 5 minutes. Sometimes it will say "screen dimmed, screen locked" without any problems. Other times, when I go to use my Braille display, I have to lock the screen and then get the devices to recognize each other, since the screen never locked in the first place. I have found that when the screen doesn't lock, the battery tends to drain faster. Has anyone else had this problem?
Thanks,
Vejas  

From ligne14 at verizon.net  Wed Sep 21 22:26:09 2016
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 14:26:09 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] IOS 10
Message-ID: <0ODV00CMYL01HT60@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net>

  Hi all,

I noticed that in the new features of IOS 10, there is a new 
Voicemail transcription option (which is currently in beta to my 
understanding).  I just received a couple of voicemails, and 
haven't sceen any options to get to the transcription option.  
The only options I see areplay/pause voicemail, voicemail 
position, share, audio,
delete, and edit, which for some reason is dimmed and can't press 
on it.  Does anyone know how to get to the place where the 
voicemail could be transcribed for you?  How good is this feature 
so far?
Another thing  that I noticed with Siri: I usually use Siri to 
pace phone calls by just telling her the number of the person I 
want to call or, if that person is in my contacts list, tell her 
to call the name of that person.  Well, just today I tried to 
call someone, and for some reason Siri thought that I was calling 
an incomplete number.  I counted exactly four attempts of me 
trying to call with the same results, until finally I discovered 
that, in this new version, (at least for me) you need to tell 
Siri the numbers very clearly.  This is strange, because I didn't 
need to speak as clearly in previous IOS versions.

Overall, though, I do agree with you guys that this release has 
brought about some really cool features.

Thanks and have a good night,

Sami----- Original Message -----
From: Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 16:54:05 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IOS 10

Hi all,

I updated and have not experienced jumping right into the app 
from
notifications on the lock screen.  I've been doing that to access 
text
messages, what's app messages, and other things without a 
problem.
Perhaps it is a selective bug?
Also, even as someone who has not tried using a braille display 
with
the phone yet, I'm just not a fan of the way mail message threads 
are
laid out now.  I liked having separate messages to keep 
everything
more organized.  It's annoying to not necessarily recognize how 
many
messages might be in a thread.  Say if someone emails me, and I
quickly want to see what they say.  If I don't want to wait 
around to
hear voiceover say, "3 messages in thread," I won't really know 
to go
all the way through the thread.  That's just me.

There are a few things I really do like about it, though.  I 
think
notifications in general are nicer, and I'm having fun with the 
social
features in messaging now.  The Siri kit is something I'll be
interested to see further developed, and I also like the way 
Apple
Music has been redesigned.  For those of you who make use of that
service, I think the music app and apple music are much more
streamlined now.

Thanks,

On 9/17/16, David Dunphy via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 HI jamie!
 I upgraded to IOS 10, and have found things to work farely well.  
I had
 a small problem getting around the app store to search for an 
App, but
 Serie made that work OK.
 I haven't had the chance to play around with everything, but if 
you check
 out
 http://iaccessibility.net
 they have quite a few well written guides on the new features so 
you
 get an idea of what the features are and what they do.
 Hope this helps.
 From David

 On 9/16/16, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
wrote:
 Hello all,

 I'm wondering if anyone has updated to IOS 10 yet.  I have an 
iPhone 6S,
 and
 it looks like IOS 10 has some pretty drastic changes.  If you 
have
 upgraded,
 I'm interested to know what your thoughts are.

 Best,

 Jameyanne

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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Wed Sep 21 22:33:22 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 15:33:22 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] IOS 10
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I have had a similar issue with Siri occasionally in the older IOS version, so I think it is just Siri acting up.
I did not know about the voicemail transcription option, but I also have  heard of another feature that I have not seen. Apparently with the messages app, you are supposed to be able to just write the name of an emoji icon and it pops up, for example "I really can't believe I have to do this grimacing face", then the grimacing face is supposed to automatically pop up. I haven't seen that either.
Vejas 

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 15:26, Sami Osborne via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I noticed that in the new features of IOS 10, there is a new Voicemail transcription option (which is currently in beta to my understanding).  I just received a couple of voicemails, and haven't sceen any options to get to the transcription option.  The only options I see areplay/pause voicemail, voicemail position, share, audio,
> delete, and edit, which for some reason is dimmed and can't press on it.  Does anyone know how to get to the place where the voicemail could be transcribed for you?  How good is this feature so far?
> Another thing  that I noticed with Siri: I usually use Siri to pace phone calls by just telling her the number of the person I want to call or, if that person is in my contacts list, tell her to call the name of that person.  Well, just today I tried to call someone, and for some reason Siri thought that I was calling an incomplete number.  I counted exactly four attempts of me trying to call with the same results, until finally I discovered that, in this new version, (at least for me) you need to tell Siri the numbers very clearly.  This is strange, because I didn't need to speak as clearly in previous IOS versions.
> 
> Overall, though, I do agree with you guys that this release has brought about some really cool features.
> 
> Thanks and have a good night,
> 
> Sami----- Original Message -----
> From: Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 16:54:05 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IOS 10
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I updated and have not experienced jumping right into the app from
> notifications on the lock screen.  I've been doing that to access text
> messages, what's app messages, and other things without a problem.
> Perhaps it is a selective bug?
> Also, even as someone who has not tried using a braille display with
> the phone yet, I'm just not a fan of the way mail message threads are
> laid out now.  I liked having separate messages to keep everything
> more organized.  It's annoying to not necessarily recognize how many
> messages might be in a thread.  Say if someone emails me, and I
> quickly want to see what they say.  If I don't want to wait around to
> hear voiceover say, "3 messages in thread," I won't really know to go
> all the way through the thread.  That's just me.
> 
> There are a few things I really do like about it, though.  I think
> notifications in general are nicer, and I'm having fun with the social
> features in messaging now.  The Siri kit is something I'll be
> interested to see further developed, and I also like the way Apple
> Music has been redesigned.  For those of you who make use of that
> service, I think the music app and apple music are much more
> streamlined now.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> On 9/17/16, David Dunphy via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> HI jamie!
> I upgraded to IOS 10, and have found things to work farely well.  I had
> a small problem getting around the app store to search for an App, but
> Serie made that work OK.
> I haven't had the chance to play around with everything, but if you check
> out
> http://iaccessibility.net
> they have quite a few well written guides on the new features so you
> get an idea of what the features are and what they do.
> Hope this helps.
> From David
> 
> On 9/16/16, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I'm wondering if anyone has updated to IOS 10 yet.  I have an iPhone 6S,
> and
> it looks like IOS 10 has some pretty drastic changes.  If you have
> upgraded,
> I'm interested to know what your thoughts are.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Jameyanne
> 
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From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Sep 21 22:39:09 2016
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 17:39:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] IOS 10
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When I play voicemails, the transcription seems to appear.

Dave

At 05:26 PM 9/21/2016, you wrote:
>  Hi all,
>
>I noticed that in the new features of IOS 10, there is a new 
>Voicemail transcription option (which is currently in beta to my 
>understanding).  I just received a couple of voicemails, and haven't 
>sceen any options to get to the transcription option.
>The only options I see areplay/pause voicemail, voicemail position, 
>share, audio,
>delete, and edit, which for some reason is dimmed and can't press on 
>it.  Does anyone know how to get to the place where the voicemail 
>could be transcribed for you?  How good is this feature so far?
>Another thing  that I noticed with Siri: I usually use Siri to pace 
>phone calls by just telling her the number of the person I want to 
>call or, if that person is in my contacts list, tell her to call the 
>name of that person.  Well, just today I tried to call someone, and 
>for some reason Siri thought that I was calling an incomplete 
>number.  I counted exactly four attempts of me trying to call with 
>the same results, until finally I discovered that, in this new 
>version, (at least for me) you need to tell Siri the numbers very 
>clearly.  This is strange, because I didn't need to speak as clearly 
>in previous IOS versions.
>
>Overall, though, I do agree with you guys that this release has 
>brought about some really cool features.
>
>Thanks and have a good night,
>
>Sami----- Original Message -----
>From: Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 16:54:05 -0400
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IOS 10
>
>Hi all,
>
>I updated and have not experienced jumping right into the app from
>notifications on the lock screen.  I've been doing that to access text
>messages, what's app messages, and other things without a problem.
>Perhaps it is a selective bug?
>Also, even as someone who has not tried using a braille display with
>the phone yet, I'm just not a fan of the way mail message threads are
>laid out now.  I liked having separate messages to keep everything
>more organized.  It's annoying to not necessarily recognize how many
>messages might be in a thread.  Say if someone emails me, and I
>quickly want to see what they say.  If I don't want to wait around to
>hear voiceover say, "3 messages in thread," I won't really know to go
>all the way through the thread.  That's just me.
>
>There are a few things I really do like about it, though.  I think
>notifications in general are nicer, and I'm having fun with the social
>features in messaging now.  The Siri kit is something I'll be
>interested to see further developed, and I also like the way Apple
>Music has been redesigned.  For those of you who make use of that
>service, I think the music app and apple music are much more
>streamlined now.
>
>Thanks,
>
>On 9/17/16, David Dunphy via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>HI jamie!
>I upgraded to IOS 10, and have found things to work farely well.
>I had
>a small problem getting around the app store to search for an App, but
>Serie made that work OK.
>I haven't had the chance to play around with everything, but if you check
>out
>http://iaccessibility.net
>they have quite a few well written guides on the new features so you
>get an idea of what the features are and what they do.
>Hope this helps.
> From David
>
>On 9/16/16, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>Hello all,
>
>I'm wondering if anyone has updated to IOS 10 yet.  I have an iPhone 6S,
>and
>it looks like IOS 10 has some pretty drastic changes.  If you have
>upgraded,
>I'm interested to know what your thoughts are.
>
>Best,
>
>Jameyanne
>
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>
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From zdreicer at gmail.com  Wed Sep 21 22:53:07 2016
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. GriegoDreicer)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 17:53:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Lock Screen Issue
Message-ID: <57e30f5d.0f05240a.6b9b4.f988@mx.google.com>

Vejas, 
I have experienced the problem before. The solution you gave is the only way I've find to fix it, too. Locking and then pairing the 2 again, that is.

Sent from my BrailleNote Touch

On Sep 21, 2016 5:18 PM, Vejas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi all, 
> I have been having a problem  with my Iphone which I am not sure is related to VoiceOver. I have my phone set to auto lock after 5 minutes. Sometimes it will say "screen dimmed, screen locked" without any problems. Other times, when I go to use my Braille display, I have to lock the screen and then get the devices to recognize each other, since the screen never locked in the first place. I have found that when the screen doesn't lock, the battery tends to drain faster. Has anyone else had this problem? 
> Thanks, 
> Vejas  
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Wed Sep 21 23:11:08 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 16:11:08 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Lock Screen Issue
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Is the screen not locking a glitch of Voice-Over or just a general Iphone bug? 

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 15:53, Zachary N. GriegoDreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Vejas, 
> I have experienced the problem before. The solution you gave is the only way I've find to fix it, too. Locking and then pairing the 2 again, that is.
> 
> Sent from my BrailleNote Touch
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016 5:18 PM, Vejas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, 
>> I have been having a problem  with my Iphone which I am not sure is related to VoiceOver. I have my phone set to auto lock after 5 minutes. Sometimes it will say "screen dimmed, screen locked" without any problems. Other times, when I go to use my Braille display, I have to lock the screen and then get the devices to recognize each other, since the screen never locked in the first place. I have found that when the screen doesn't lock, the battery tends to drain faster. Has anyone else had this problem? 
>> Thanks, 
>> Vejas  
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From zdreicer at gmail.com  Wed Sep 21 23:46:30 2016
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. GriegoDreicer)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 18:46:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Lock Screen Issue
Message-ID: <57e31bda.8f996b0a.a4a65.2ed9@mx.google.com>

I think VO but not sure. I would check with accessibility apple support at 8772043930. I believe that is the number.

Sent from my BrailleNote Touch

On Sep 21, 2016 6:11 PM, Vejas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Is the screen not locking a glitch of Voice-Over or just a general Iphone bug? 
>
> > On Sep 21, 2016, at 15:53, Zachary N. GriegoDreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: 
> > 
> > Vejas, 
> > I have experienced the problem before. The solution you gave is the only way I've find to fix it, too. Locking and then pairing the 2 again, that is. 
> > 
> > Sent from my BrailleNote Touch 
> > 
> >> On Sep 21, 2016 5:18 PM, Vejas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Hi all, 
> >> I have been having a problem  with my Iphone which I am not sure is related to VoiceOver. I have my phone set to auto lock after 5 minutes. Sometimes it will say "screen dimmed, screen locked" without any problems. Other times, when I go to use my Braille display, I have to lock the screen and then get the devices to recognize each other, since the screen never locked in the first place. I have found that when the screen doesn't lock, the battery tends to drain faster. Has anyone else had this problem? 
> >> Thanks, 
> >> Vejas  
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 22 01:55:16 2016
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 19:55:16 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Student luncheon
Message-ID: <52AF550E-1556-4B6D-A2D0-DD3EB4EFA343@gmail.com>

Students, teachers, parents:

Don't forget!

 
Colorado Blind Students Luncheon
	
	Saturday, September 24 at 1:00 PM.

Ignite Burgers:
2124 Larimer Street, Denver, CO

A great opportunity to meet, network, and socialize with other blind students in the state.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Share with anyone who may be interested!

Anna E Givens


From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Thu Sep 22 07:27:21 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 00:27:21 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Siri Question
Message-ID: <19D05BC2-574B-461C-B53E-904183116FFB@gmail.com>

Hi All,
I was just wondering if any of you who has  an unusual spelling/pronunciation of their name has been able to  have Siri pronounce it correctly.
I have been able to get the pronunciation feature on Voice-Over to make VO say it correctly any time it comes up. However, it is still mispronounced on Siri, and when I  ask it to pronounce my name correctly   I am only allowed the choice of 3 options, none of which are accurate.
Just curious if anyone has done it.
Vejas 

From bre.brown24 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 22 14:19:35 2016
From: bre.brown24 at gmail.com (Bre Brown)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 09:19:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Membership call: Sunday, September 25th
Message-ID: <CACXqA0o0T93Pu5fvTB2hwX5fyMSsJ-mQts9q=5+wpyMT_5G62g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Most of us know how intrinsically rewarding volunteering can be, but
 what some don’t realize is that helping out in your community  is also
 a way to help yourself.

“what’s in it for me?”.

Join the Community Service Division and NABS this Sunday at 8 PM
Eastern for a discussion of everything you
 need to know about volunteering as a blind student: how to get
 started, why it is beneficial for you and your future, and even how it
 can allow you to change attitudes about blindness on campus. You’ll
 get the chance to hear from students who have volunteered, share your
 own experiences, and ask questions. Everyone is welcome, and if you
 are a former student, we encourage you to participate as well. We hope
 you can join the conversation!

 Call-in info is as follows:
605-475-6700
 Passcode: 7869673

 Date and Time: September 25, 2016 at 8 PM Eastern

Thanks
Bre Brown

Vice President, National Association of Blind Students


From carlymih at comcast.net  Thu Sep 22 17:14:45 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 10:14:45 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] scanning books with Kurzweil
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Good morning, Precious and other interesteds,

Having never used a KNFB scanner, I would just hazard that the 
flat-bed scanner will be fastest and most efficiant with it's larger, 
scanning area and ability to capture the entire page in one fell swoop.
Car

/20/2016, Precious Perez via NABS-L wrote:
>Hello Everyone,
>I am using Kurzweil to scan two books that I need for one of my 
>courses. One of the books is small, and it fits on the scanner, so 
>the process works well. The other book is both wider and thicker, 
>and I'm having trouble orienting it so that the scanner can capture 
>the pages fully. Does anyone have any tips for scanning books 
>efficiently? I thought of using my scan stand with KNFB reader, but 
>I'm not sure which scanning option would be more tedious or time-consuming.
>Thanks in advance for your help! :)
>
>Precious
>Sent from my iPhone
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From gpaikens at gmail.com  Thu Sep 22 22:59:20 2016
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 18:59:20 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] scanning books with Kurzweil
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	<57e411f3.415e370a.3501d.e084SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
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Actually, if you are using a stand, KNFB Reader should be able to grab the whole page at once. With the batch mode, you only have to turn the page and it will detect when it is time to scan the next page. Far easier than flipping the book over, turning the page, and then putting it face down on the scanner again. 

Best,
Greg

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good morning, Precious and other interesteds,
> 
> Having never used a KNFB scanner, I would just hazard that the flat-bed scanner will be fastest and most efficiant with it's larger, scanning area and ability to capture the entire page in one fell swoop.
> Car
> 
> /20/2016, Precious Perez via NABS-L wrote:
>> Hello Everyone,
>> I am using Kurzweil to scan two books that I need for one of my courses. One of the books is small, and it fits on the scanner, so the process works well. The other book is both wider and thicker, and I'm having trouble orienting it so that the scanner can capture the pages fully. Does anyone have any tips for scanning books efficiently? I thought of using my scan stand with KNFB reader, but I'm not sure which scanning option would be more tedious or time-consuming.
>> Thanks in advance for your help! :)
>> 
>> Precious
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From pulyperez1 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 22 23:06:41 2016
From: pulyperez1 at gmail.com (Precious Perez)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 19:06:41 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] scanning books with Kurzweil
In-Reply-To: <52F4F2C6-DB97-4D87-A435-8B1158789CE6@gmail.com>
References: <5966B2FD-CBD4-48C3-8B68-671846ECBDFC@gmail.com>
	<57e411f3.415e370a.3501d.e084SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
	<52F4F2C6-DB97-4D87-A435-8B1158789CE6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EE83524E-824D-4E05-9647-263AF45D3E37@gmail.com>

That's really helpful. I didn't know it could do that. How would I best position the stand? I'm not sure what to do when there's a page on the left and on the right. and if it could capture them both at once.

Precious
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Greg Aikens via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Actually, if you are using a stand, KNFB Reader should be able to grab the whole page at once. With the batch mode, you only have to turn the page and it will detect when it is time to scan the next page. Far easier than flipping the book over, turning the page, and then putting it face down on the scanner again. 
> 
> Best,
> Greg
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning, Precious and other interesteds,
>> 
>> Having never used a KNFB scanner, I would just hazard that the flat-bed scanner will be fastest and most efficiant with it's larger, scanning area and ability to capture the entire page in one fell swoop.
>> Car
>> 
>> /20/2016, Precious Perez via NABS-L wrote:
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> I am using Kurzweil to scan two books that I need for one of my courses. One of the books is small, and it fits on the scanner, so the process works well. The other book is both wider and thicker, and I'm having trouble orienting it so that the scanner can capture the pages fully. Does anyone have any tips for scanning books efficiently? I thought of using my scan stand with KNFB reader, but I'm not sure which scanning option would be more tedious or time-consuming.
>>> Thanks in advance for your help! :)
>>> 
>>> Precious
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 22 23:11:23 2016
From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 18:11:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] scanning books with Kurzweil
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From my experience, it has trouble capturing two pages at once. I usually have to flip the book over and do one page at a time with my phone. However, I do not know how it will work on a stand. I also do not know how it would work on an iPad.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 6:06 PM, Precious Perez via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> That's really helpful. I didn't know it could do that. How would I best position the stand? I'm not sure what to do when there's a page on the left and on the right. and if it could capture them both at once.
> 
> Precious
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Greg Aikens via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Actually, if you are using a stand, KNFB Reader should be able to grab the whole page at once. With the batch mode, you only have to turn the page and it will detect when it is time to scan the next page. Far easier than flipping the book over, turning the page, and then putting it face down on the scanner again. 
>> 
>> Best,
>> Greg
>> 
>>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good morning, Precious and other interesteds,
>>> 
>>> Having never used a KNFB scanner, I would just hazard that the flat-bed scanner will be fastest and most efficiant with it's larger, scanning area and ability to capture the entire page in one fell swoop.
>>> Car
>>> 
>>> /20/2016, Precious Perez via NABS-L wrote:
>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>> I am using Kurzweil to scan two books that I need for one of my courses. One of the books is small, and it fits on the scanner, so the process works well. The other book is both wider and thicker, and I'm having trouble orienting it so that the scanner can capture the pages fully. Does anyone have any tips for scanning books efficiently? I thought of using my scan stand with KNFB reader, but I'm not sure which scanning option would be more tedious or time-consuming.
>>>> Thanks in advance for your help! :)
>>>> 
>>>> Precious
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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From gpaikens at gmail.com  Thu Sep 22 23:32:24 2016
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 19:32:24 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] scanning books with Kurzweil
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Whether or not you can get two pages at once will depend on how tall your stand is and the size of the book. I'm not sure if they make stands that adjust their height. Mine does not. If you try to grab both pages at once you might want to try setting it to multi column under the document type button. Aside from that, you will probably just have to play around to see if you were getting the whole page.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Precious Perez via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> That's really helpful. I didn't know it could do that. How would I best position the stand? I'm not sure what to do when there's a page on the left and on the right. and if it could capture them both at once.
> 
> Precious
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Greg Aikens via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Actually, if you are using a stand, KNFB Reader should be able to grab the whole page at once. With the batch mode, you only have to turn the page and it will detect when it is time to scan the next page. Far easier than flipping the book over, turning the page, and then putting it face down on the scanner again. 
>> 
>> Best,
>> Greg
>> 
>>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good morning, Precious and other interesteds,
>>> 
>>> Having never used a KNFB scanner, I would just hazard that the flat-bed scanner will be fastest and most efficiant with it's larger, scanning area and ability to capture the entire page in one fell swoop.
>>> Car
>>> 
>>> /20/2016, Precious Perez via NABS-L wrote:
>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>> I am using Kurzweil to scan two books that I need for one of my courses. One of the books is small, and it fits on the scanner, so the process works well. The other book is both wider and thicker, and I'm having trouble orienting it so that the scanner can capture the pages fully. Does anyone have any tips for scanning books efficiently? I thought of using my scan stand with KNFB reader, but I'm not sure which scanning option would be more tedious or time-consuming.
>>>> Thanks in advance for your help! :)
>>>> 
>>>> Precious
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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From dandrews at visi.com  Fri Sep 23 00:30:17 2016
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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 19:30:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Join the LightHouse For Its First-Ever Blind
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From GCazares at nfb.org  Fri Sep 23 16:41:05 2016
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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 16:41:05 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: The National Federation of the Blind Applauds
 Introduction of AIM HE Act: Law Will Promote Equal Access to Higher
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From: Danielsen, Chris
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

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The National Federation of the Blind Applauds Introduction of AIM HE Act:
Law Will Promote Equal Access to Higher Education for People With Disabilities

Washington, DC (September 23, 2016): Today, the National Federation of the Blind commends Congressman Phil Roe (R-TN) and Congressman Joe Courtney (D-CT) for introducing the Accessible Instructional Materials in Higher Education (AIM HE) Act (H.R. 6122). This act will promote instructional technology and content that are accessible to the blind and other students with print disabilities.

Mark A. Riccobono, President of the National Federation of the Blind, said: "The National Federation of the Blind has worked for years toward the introduction of this much-needed legislation, which will give postsecondary institutions guidance to help them meet their legal obligations to students with disabilities, and also bring more accessible instructional materials to the higher education market. Blind students are adversely impacted daily by educational technologies that artificially limit students because they were designed without accessibility in mind. As a past member of the Commission on Accessible Instructional Materials, whose work identified this crucial need, and a father of three, including two daughters who are blind, I am pleased to see this goal come to fruition. We applaud Congressman Roe and Congressman Courtney for their introduction of this legislation and urge their colleagues to join them in supporting its swift passage."

Congressman Roe said: "No student pursuing their education should be put at a disadvantage because they have a disability, and this bill simply encourages higher education institutions to provide equal access to all instructional materials. With more and more of a student's coursework requiring digital resources, it makes sense to encourage colleges and universities to make accessible material available to support all their students, including those who have a disability. I thank Rep. Courtney for partnering with me on this important issue and I look forward to moving this bill through the legislative process. I also thank all the stakeholders who have worked so hard to develop a commonsense solution that can be supported on a bipartisan basis."

Congressman Courtney said:  "As colleges and universities become more high-tech, it is only fitting that they find ways to improve learning opportunities for persons with disabilities. This is why I was pleased to introduce this bipartisan legislation to help make educational materials more accessible to the disabilities community. I want to thank Rep. Roe for taking up this cause with me because there is nothing more important than making sure all Americans, including those with disabilities, have the opportunity to receive a great education."

The AIM HE Act will authorize a purpose-based commission comprised of persons with disabilities, developers, and manufacturers, as well as representatives from institutions of higher education. This commission will develop voluntary accessibility guidelines for instructional materials used in postsecondary educational programs. Additionally, the commission will be tasked with developing an annotated list of existing national and international information technology standards as an additional resource for institutions of higher education and companies that service the higher education market.

Institutions of higher education that only use technology that conforms with the guidelines will be deemed in compliance with the provisions of Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act and Titles II and III of the Americans with Disabilities Act that pertain to the use of electronic instructional materials, giving them a safe harbor protection from litigation. Colleges and universities will be permitted to use material that does not conform with the guidelines as long as equal access laws are still honored. Conformity with the AIM HE guidelines is only one path to compliance; schools can pursue a different path, but will forfeit the safe harbor legal protection.

The AIM HE Act is a collaborative legislative initiative of the National Federation of the Blind, the American Council on Education, the Association of American Publishers, Educause(r), and the Software and Information Industry Association.

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From kaylaweathers51590 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 24 00:36:00 2016
From: kaylaweathers51590 at gmail.com (Kayla Weathers)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 20:36:00 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Recommendations for a stand that works well with
 the KNFB Reader
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Hi NABS, I am looking for recommendations of a stand that works well
with the KNFB Reader app. I’ll most likely be using the stand when
scanning books. If it’s possible, I’d preferably like to find   a
stand that can be used with several iPhone models so that I will not
have to purchase a new stand every time I invest in an upgrade.
Thanks, Kayla


-- 
Kayla Weathers.
B.A. English Literature
Dalton State College


From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Sat Sep 24 20:18:13 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 13:18:13 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Taking Public Transportation from a College Campus
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Hi All,
I was wondering, how these of you who take taxis/Uber/Lyft or any other form of transportation explain to the driver your location of pickup, seeing that a college campus has so many entrances.
For example, the entrance I would prefer to use in my college is the parking lot near  Jamba Juice. This seems simple enough, but it puts the responsibility on the driver to search the entire college campus to find Jamba Juice. When I was an LCB student, I was in such a small town that I typically never had to explain locations, since the cab drivers there know the town well. But in asking for public transportation in other areas, I have found that dispatchers expect you to know the a.ress , so for example saying I'm at Subway on Main Street would not be enough, and they often seem to act like going into the computer system to quickly search the address is too much work for them.
Thanks,
Vejas 

From chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com  Sat Sep 24 21:28:42 2016
From: chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com (chelsea peahl)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 21:28:42 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Taking Public Transportation from a College Campus
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I feel like it is possible, but you as the passenger need to know what building that is and so fourth.

Chelsea Peahl

On Sep 24, 2016, at 2:19 PM, Vejas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

Hi All,
I was wondering, how these of you who take taxis/Uber/Lyft or any other form of transportation explain to the driver your location of pickup, seeing that a college campus has so many entrances.
For example, the entrance I would prefer to use in my college is the parking lot near  Jamba Juice. This seems simple enough, but it puts the responsibility on the driver to search the entire college campus to find Jamba Juice. When I was an LCB student, I was in such a small town that I typically never had to explain locations, since the cab drivers there know the town well. But in asking for public transportation in other areas, I have found that dispatchers expect you to know the a.ress , so for example saying I'm at Subway on Main Street would not be enough, and they often seem to act like going into the computer system to quickly search the address is too much work for them.
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From ligne14 at verizon.net  Sat Sep 24 22:07:35 2016
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 14:07:35 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Taking public transportation on college campuses
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Hi Vejas,

I'm also a college freshman, and live in the college dorm but am 
only 15 minutes away from my house so I go home on weekends.  I 
use Paratransit service (called TRIPS in our county) to get back 
and forth between home and my campus
on Monday mornings and Thursday nights (I don't have any classes 
on Fridays).  Anyway, the place where the driver would usually 
pick me up/drop me off is kind of a parking area with four 
benches that is in the same area where all the (freshman) dorms 
are located.  Anyway, how the driver os where to drop me off are 
the following: First, this summer, I did some OandM training on 
the college campus.  My instructor was the one that
recommended this location to me, and she was very generous - you 
know what she did? She actually called TRIPS (the name of my 
paratransit company) to tell them that they should let the 
drivers know that this is the place that they should drop me off 
at from now on.  Unfortunately, though, most of them (except for 
one driver from my experience) don't automatically know this.  
What typically happens is the following: We get to the college 
campus.  Driver asks me: "OK, where do you want to be dropped off 
at?" I answer: "OK, I'd like to go to Mcnelis Commons (that's the 
name of my housing complex).  There should be an area between the 
dorms with four benches on either side." Driver says, "OK." We 
drive around the campus until the driver finds what he thinks is 
my description.  He then says, "OK, here you go." I get out of 
the cab and try to familiarize myself with where I am.  I always 
seem to describe the drop-off location very accurately, because 
so far it always has been the right place!
So what I would suggest you do is to tell the driver specifically 
to locate a Jamba Juice, and that there should be a parking lot 
next to it and that's where you'd like to be dropped off.  I 
would also, like I mentioned before my OandM instructor did, call 
the cab company and tell them to let the driver(s) know that you 
want to be picked up/dropped off at that particular location.

 I hope this helps, and I hope your first semester is going well 
so far.

Thanks,

Sami


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 24 22:57:34 2016
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 18:57:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Taking Public Transportation from a College Campus
Message-ID: <57e70502.c3ccca0a.8f6d2.8f7b@mx.google.com>

Hi Vejas thanks for your message.  On my college campus I get 
dropped off in the parking lot not far from the library.  There 
are two sides on which I can be dropped off on Monday mornings.  
The central dropoff point for blind students who take public 
transportation is Millican Hall.  Many Axis Lynx drivers know 
where this building is located.


From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 24 23:22:19 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 19:22:19 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Taking Public Transportation from a College Campus
Message-ID: <57e70abb.42dd0d0a.c3a74.a633@mx.google.com>

Hi Vejas,

You can also find the address to tell the driver or dispatcher.  
Any smart phone with is capable of doing this--if you have an 
IPhone, just ask Siri "where am I?"  Campus parking lots are 
usually numbered or named, so it would probably be a good idea to 
ask someone what the lot you like to get picked up from is called 
so you can tell the dispachor that.  There are usually signs 
telling drivers which way to go to different lots as they drive 
around, and campus maps will have the lots marked for sure but 
probably won't have the Jamba Juice.

HTH,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Vejas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 13:18:13 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Taking Public Transportation from a College 
Campus

Hi All,
I was wondering, how these of you who take taxis/Uber/Lyft or any 
other form of transportation explain to the driver your location 
of pickup, seeing that a college campus has so many entrances.
For example, the entrance I would prefer to use in my college is 
the parking lot near  Jamba Juice. This seems simple enough, but 
it puts the responsibility on the driver to search the entire 
college campus to find Jamba Juice. When I was an LCB student, I 
was in such a small town that I typically never had to explain 
locations, since the cab drivers there know the town well. But in 
asking for public transportation in other areas, I have found 
that dispatchers expect you to know the a.ress , so for example 
saying I'm at Subway on Main Street would not be enough, and they 
often seem to act like going into the computer system to quickly 
search the address is too much work for them.
Thanks,
Vejas
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 25 04:48:07 2016
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 00:48:07 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Taking Public Transportation from a College Campus
In-Reply-To: <57e70abb.42dd0d0a.c3a74.a633@mx.google.com>
References: <57e70abb.42dd0d0a.c3a74.a633@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FZ1zRO_boDgNpf_AY5MiHj0h+T1HYuAp3XJnRCwaogrhA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Vejas,

For me, I know my para-transit provider requires a specific address.
Sometimes the dorms or buildings will have addresses, and I've found
that information by just going to the front desk if all else fails.
Usually, if they are addressed, a desk worker should be able to tell
you what you need to know if that information is not found online.  My
dorm freshman year had its own address since it was on a little side
street, but the one I'm in this year does not so I give the dispatcher
the address of the college and tell them the dorm name with some
landmarks and instructions on how to get there, along with my phone
number so the driver can call if they have to. For Oober, I just
search the name of the building in the app and it pops up.  The driver
and I have a way to contact each other if they're having trouble
finding my building, and usually they don't hesitate to call if they
need to find me.  If I see they've been hanging around close by for a
while I'll usually text them and ask if they're finding where they
need to go okay or if they would like me to give them some landmarks
or directions.  That's a really useful feature of the app.  For taxis
I usually say I'm on the university campus, near the intersection of X
and Y.  I can then tell them from that intersection to make a left and
go down to the dead end, and the dorm I'm in will be on their right.
Again, if they're really having trouble finding me or I suspect that
is the case, I call the dispatcher as they have a way to talk to the
driver en route, and sometimes the driver will get my number from the
dispatcher and call me.  Communication and being aware of the time it
should take for a vehicle to reach you is key.

If possible, try to learn some public transportation routes around
your campus.  I've just recently found reason to regularly travel
off-campus and started riding buses again after a long time of
sticking around campus propper, but wish I would have started riding
sooner.  Public transportation doesn't give me half the headaches I
experience with paratransit, nor is it nearly as costly as Oober or
cab fare.  Some cities will offer insentives for paratransit users to
ride fixed routes, and an added perk in my city is that since I have a
Project Mobility card for paratransit I can ride the city buses for
free.  While some might view this as a hand-out, I don't personally
have a problem with it as I'm contributing over twice the standard
fare every time I do take paratransit, and this program is designed to
get more paratransit users to use fixed routes so paratransit rides
aren't so congested.  Regardless of that, sometimes they'll also have
discounted fare for frequent riders that anyone can take advantage of.

I hope this helps.

On 9/24/16, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Vejas,
>
> You can also find the address to tell the driver or dispatcher.
> Any smart phone with is capable of doing this--if you have an
> IPhone, just ask Siri "where am I?"  Campus parking lots are
> usually numbered or named, so it would probably be a good idea to
> ask someone what the lot you like to get picked up from is called
> so you can tell the dispachor that.  There are usually signs
> telling drivers which way to go to different lots as they drive
> around, and campus maps will have the lots marked for sure but
> probably won't have the Jamba Juice.
>
> HTH,
> Karl
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Vejas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 13:18:13 -0700
> Subject: [nabs-l] Taking Public Transportation from a College
> Campus
>
> Hi All,
> I was wondering, how these of you who take taxis/Uber/Lyft or any
> other form of transportation explain to the driver your location
> of pickup, seeing that a college campus has so many entrances.
> For example, the entrance I would prefer to use in my college is
> the parking lot near  Jamba Juice. This seems simple enough, but
> it puts the responsibility on the driver to search the entire
> college campus to find Jamba Juice. When I was an LCB student, I
> was in such a small town that I typically never had to explain
> locations, since the cab drivers there know the town well. But in
> asking for public transportation in other areas, I have found
> that dispatchers expect you to know the a.ress , so for example
> saying I'm at Subway on Main Street would not be enough, and they
> often seem to act like going into the computer system to quickly
> search the address is too much work for them.
> Thanks,
> Vejas
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-- 
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From codeofdusk at gmail.com  Sun Sep 25 20:03:47 2016
From: codeofdusk at gmail.com (Bill Dengler)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 20:03:47 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] List of all UEB symbols
Message-ID: <62FB459D-8DA4-4018-BDA4-2F6D9FB624EA@gmail.com>

Hello,
Is there an accessible list of UEB contractions and symbols? I’ve forgotten some contractions and punctuation marks, and some have changed from EBAE, so would like to review a list to refresh my memory and update myself on any out-of-date symbols.

Thanks,
Bill

From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Sun Sep 25 20:17:15 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 13:17:15 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Scanning Poftware
Message-ID: <FC799FD2-ABD7-4C21-AF34-D44789AE6752@gmail.com>

Hi all,
I was wondering if any of you know of any scanning software that can scan a PDF cleanly, with no mistakes.
For most PDF's I have received, I can read the majority of text, but some words do have errors, most of which I can figure out for myself. However, sometimes there are parts where these errors make it harder to understand what I'm reading. 
I understand that a scanned copy with some errors is definitely better than nothing, but I feel like if I am going to compete equally with my peers, who wouldn't have these mistakes in a new book, that it would make sense for me to find something which scans well. Currently my DSS scans items with a very quick turnaround time, but do not check for errors.
Thanks,
Vejas 

From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Sun Sep 25 20:28:23 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 13:28:23 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Scanning Poftware
In-Reply-To: <FC799FD2-ABD7-4C21-AF34-D44789AE6752@gmail.com>
References: <FC799FD2-ABD7-4C21-AF34-D44789AE6752@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1632F69F-5644-4F4D-9356-FF79629F11A8@gmail.com>

Just to add, while I can go online to clarify anything for most of my classes, I do have one class, philosophy, where we are never allowed to go online. We can only use the textbook, her/our notes and guidance via our group chat, although this professor is very accommodating and I have had no problems with her. While I can understand the material for the most part with these notes, pulling out direct quotes will be difficult.


> On Sep 25, 2016, at 13:17, Vejas <alpineimagination at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I was wondering if any of you know of any scanning software that can scan a PDF cleanly, with no mistakes.
> For most PDF's I have received, I can read the majority of text, but some words do have errors, most of which I can figure out for myself. However, sometimes there are parts where these errors make it harder to understand what I'm reading. 
> I understand that a scanned copy with some errors is definitely better than nothing, but I feel like if I am going to compete equally with my peers, who wouldn't have these mistakes in a new book, that it would make sense for me to find something which scans well. Currently my DSS scans items with a very quick turnaround time, but do not check for errors.
> Thanks,
> Vejas 

From bre.brown24 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 25 21:55:52 2016
From: bre.brown24 at gmail.com (Bre Brown)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 16:55:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] List of all UEB symbols
In-Reply-To: <62FB459D-8DA4-4018-BDA4-2F6D9FB624EA@gmail.com>
References: <62FB459D-8DA4-4018-BDA4-2F6D9FB624EA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACXqA0qdJZfm=YhHhsDw1i0OQ2aH1O9PdyDoj0VaEg3=xFQFrg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bill

Here is where you can look at an overview of the changes and symbols.
http://www.brailleauthority.org/ueb/overview_changes_ebae_ueb.html

Here is where you can find a lot of information about UEB. This page
has a variety of resources.
http://www.brailleauthority.org/ueb/adult-resource-suggestions.html

Let me know if you have any other questions.

I hope this helps.

Thanks
Bre

On 9/25/16, Bill Dengler via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello,
> Is there an accessible list of UEB contractions and symbols? I’ve forgotten
> some contractions and punctuation marks, and some have changed from EBAE, so
> would like to review a list to refresh my memory and update myself on any
> out-of-date symbols.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
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From kat.bottner at gmail.com  Sun Sep 25 22:40:45 2016
From: kat.bottner at gmail.com (Kathryn Bottner)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 18:40:45 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] List of all UEB symbols
In-Reply-To: <CACXqA0qdJZfm=YhHhsDw1i0OQ2aH1O9PdyDoj0VaEg3=xFQFrg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <62FB459D-8DA4-4018-BDA4-2F6D9FB624EA@gmail.com>
	<CACXqA0qdJZfm=YhHhsDw1i0OQ2aH1O9PdyDoj0VaEg3=xFQFrg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001d2177d$e5827a50$b0876ef0$@gmail.com>

I believe you can also get a list of them from the National Library Service if you call them.
Hope this helps,
Kat Bottner
NFB of Delaware Affiliate President


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bre Brown via NABS-L
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 5:56 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Bre Brown <bre.brown24 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] List of all UEB symbols

Hi Bill

Here is where you can look at an overview of the changes and symbols.
http://www.brailleauthority.org/ueb/overview_changes_ebae_ueb.html

Here is where you can find a lot of information about UEB. This page has a variety of resources.
http://www.brailleauthority.org/ueb/adult-resource-suggestions.html

Let me know if you have any other questions.

I hope this helps.

Thanks
Bre

On 9/25/16, Bill Dengler via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello,
> Is there an accessible list of UEB contractions and symbols? I’ve 
> forgotten some contractions and punctuation marks, and some have 
> changed from EBAE, so would like to review a list to refresh my memory 
> and update myself on any out-of-date symbols.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
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From mausbun at unr.edu  Mon Sep 26 16:39:51 2016
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 16:39:51 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Call To Action: AIM-HEA
Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B236D5747@UBOX2.unr.edu>

Dear Fellow Federationists:
        The moment we, the students, have been waiting for is upon us. The Accessible Instructional Materials in Higher Education Act (AIM-HEA) has dropped! Now the responsibility of ensuring accessibility is on us, and we do not have a lot of time to delay! Please call (202) 224-2131 and ask to speak to your congressional representative (if you need assistance in locating your congressperson, please use this site: http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/). We should be requesting our congress people to cosponsor H.R. 6122. Remember, the sponsor is Congressmen Phil Roe (R. TN).
        No organization moves legislation like we do; now, let us go and show them why accessibility is important to the National Federation of the Blind!
Yours in the movement,
Michael Ausbun, Secretary
Chair, Legislative Committee
National Association of Blind Students
A proud Division of the National Federation of the Blind
“Together with love, hope, and determination, we transform dreams into reality.”




Today, the National Federation of the Blind commends Congressman Phil Roe (R-TN) and Congressman Joe Courtney (D-CT) for introducing the Accessible Instructional Materials in Higher Education (AIM HE) Act (H.R. 6122). This act will promote instructional technology and content that are accessible to the blind and other students with print disabilities.

Mark A. Riccobono, President of the National Federation of the Blind, said: "The National Federation of the Blind has worked for years toward the introduction of this much-needed legislation, which will give postsecondary institutions guidance to help them meet their legal obligations to students with disabilities, and also bring more accessible instructional materials to the higher education market. Blind students are adversely impacted daily by educational technologies that artificially limit students because they were designed without accessibility in mind. As a past member of the Commission on Accessible Instructional Materials, whose work identified this crucial need, and a father of three, including two daughters who are blind, I am pleased to see this goal come to fruition. We applaud Congressman Roe and Congressman Courtney for their introduction of this legislation and urge their colleagues to join them in supporting its swift passage."

Congressman Roe said: “No student pursuing their education should be put at a disadvantage because they have a disability, and this bill simply encourages higher education institutions to provide equal access to all instructional materials. With more and more of a student’s coursework requiring digital resources, it makes sense to encourage colleges and universities to make accessible material available to support all their students, including those who have a disability. I thank Rep. Courtney for partnering with me on this important issue and I look forward to moving this bill through the legislative process. I also thank all the stakeholders who have worked so hard to develop a commonsense solution that can be supported on a bipartisan basis.”

Congressman Courtney said:  “As colleges and universities become more high-tech, it is only fitting that they find ways to improve learning opportunities for persons with disabilities. This is why I was pleased to introduce this bipartisan legislation to help make educational materials more accessible to the disabilities community. I want to thank Rep. Roe for taking up this cause with me because there is nothing more important than making sure all Americans, including those with disabilities, have the opportunity to receive a great education.”

The AIM HE Act will authorize a purpose-based commission comprised of persons with disabilities, developers, and manufacturers, as well as representatives from institutions of higher education. This commission will develop voluntary accessibility guidelines for instructional materials used in postsecondary educational programs. Additionally, the commission will be tasked with developing an annotated list of existing national and international information technology standards as an additional resource for institutions of higher education and companies that service the higher education market.

Institutions of higher education that only use technology that conforms with the guidelines will be deemed in compliance with the provisions of Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act and Titles II and III of the Americans with Disabilities Act that pertain to the use of electronic instructional materials, giving them a safe harbor protection from litigation. Colleges and universities will be permitted to use material that does not conform with the guidelines as long as equal access laws are still honored. Conformity with the AIM HE guidelines is only one path to compliance; schools can pursue a different path, but will forfeit the safe harbor legal protection.

The AIM HE Act is a collaborative legislative initiative of the National Federation of the Blind, the American Council on Education, the Association of American Publishers, Educause®, and the Software and Information Industry Association.




###
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 17:13:01 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 10:13:01 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] What to Ask For from College Food Services
Message-ID: <8A60C5F9-9C25-4995-BC9F-A1376FEA1AC7@gmail.com>

Hi,
I really appreciate all the guidance that you have given me regarding some of my other questions related to college.
My cafeteria is divided up into stations. Many of the stations, such as the one for sandwiches, are fairly straightforward, because I just tell them what I want and they hand me the sandwich right away. However, there is one station where students use a screen to order what they want. I have always had to ask another student to help with the screens.
I have found that the staff are mostly helpful, though it does vary from time to time. I would like to make it so that I have to rely as minimally on other students as possible, and think that I will meet with someone from food services. Since I am only their second blind student, they probably need some guidance, although I don't know what I should ask for.
One thought I have is that one of the people from Disability Services stated that there used to be a staff member at the front entrance. So I could maybe ask if they could continue this system. That way, the person can help me towards the right direction and also help with the screens, should I choose to eat at that station. The other option I had was to see if there could be a staff member at the screen. I don't know how logical this idea is, however, because most all the other students can use the screens without issue, so that staff member would just be spending most of their time standing around.
Any insight would be appreciated.
Vejas   

From GCazares at nfb.org  Mon Sep 26 17:17:54 2016
From: GCazares at nfb.org (Cazares, Gabe)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 17:17:54 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Call To Action: AIM-HEA
In-Reply-To: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B236D5747@UBOX2.unr.edu>
References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B236D5747@UBOX2.unr.edu>
Message-ID: <BN6PR17MB1156A7F68F298AFA5296405CDECD0@BN6PR17MB1156.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>

NABSters,

I know you will turn out this week to urge your members of congress to support our AIM HE Act, HR 6122. If you have contact information for the relevant staffer in your representative's office, and are planning to contact them via email, please cc me on that note. Also, President Riccobono used the phrase "don't deny, aim high" at convention this summer, let's make that our rallying cry for HR 6122. As you post about our bill on your various social media channels, please use the hashtag #Don'tDenyAimHigh. Also, please visit the AIM HE website, www.nfb.org/aim_he, for an up-to-date fact sheet and FAQs coming soon.

Looking forward to braking down accessibility barriers alongside of you! Thanks for all you do, and please do not hesitate to reach out if I can be of assistance.

...Gabe

Gabe Cazares
Government Affairs Specialist
National Federation of the Blind
200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place
Baltimore, MD 21230
E: gcazares at nfb.org
O: (410) 659-9314 Ext. 2206
C: (281) 965-9583
T: @gmcazares

Help remove artificial barriers for blind students in classrooms nation-wide, click here to learn more.! #Don'tDenyAimHigh

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.

Make a gift to the National Federation of the Blind and help ensure all blind Americans live the lives they want.


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael D Ausbun via NABS-L
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 12:40 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Ausbun, Michael
Subject: [nabs-l] Call To Action: AIM-HEA

Dear Fellow Federationists:
        The moment we, the students, have been waiting for is upon us. The Accessible Instructional Materials in Higher Education Act (AIM-HEA) has dropped! Now the responsibility of ensuring accessibility is on us, and we do not have a lot of time to delay! Please call (202) 224-2131 and ask to speak to your congressional representative (if you need assistance in locating your congressperson, please use this site: https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/GWDbBxTrQ9Mh3). We should be requesting our congress people to cosponsor H.R. 6122. Remember, the sponsor is Congressmen Phil Roe (R. TN).
        No organization moves legislation like we do; now, let us go and show them why accessibility is important to the National Federation of the Blind!
Yours in the movement,
Michael Ausbun, Secretary
Chair, Legislative Committee
National Association of Blind Students
A proud Division of the National Federation of the Blind "Together with love, hope, and determination, we transform dreams into reality."




Today, the National Federation of the Blind commends Congressman Phil Roe (R-TN) and Congressman Joe Courtney (D-CT) for introducing the Accessible Instructional Materials in Higher Education (AIM HE) Act (H.R. 6122). This act will promote instructional technology and content that are accessible to the blind and other students with print disabilities.

Mark A. Riccobono, President of the National Federation of the Blind, said: "The National Federation of the Blind has worked for years toward the introduction of this much-needed legislation, which will give postsecondary institutions guidance to help them meet their legal obligations to students with disabilities, and also bring more accessible instructional materials to the higher education market. Blind students are adversely impacted daily by educational technologies that artificially limit students because they were designed without accessibility in mind. As a past member of the Commission on Accessible Instructional Materials, whose work identified this crucial need, and a father of three, including two daughters who are blind, I am pleased to see this goal come to fruition. We applaud Congressman Roe and Congressman Courtney for their introduction of this legislation and urge their colleagues to join them in supporting its swift passage."

Congressman Roe said: "No student pursuing their education should be put at a disadvantage because they have a disability, and this bill simply encourages higher education institutions to provide equal access to all instructional materials. With more and more of a student's coursework requiring digital resources, it makes sense to encourage colleges and universities to make accessible material available to support all their students, including those who have a disability. I thank Rep. Courtney for partnering with me on this important issue and I look forward to moving this bill through the legislative process. I also thank all the stakeholders who have worked so hard to develop a commonsense solution that can be supported on a bipartisan basis."

Congressman Courtney said:  "As colleges and universities become more high-tech, it is only fitting that they find ways to improve learning opportunities for persons with disabilities. This is why I was pleased to introduce this bipartisan legislation to help make educational materials more accessible to the disabilities community. I want to thank Rep. Roe for taking up this cause with me because there is nothing more important than making sure all Americans, including those with disabilities, have the opportunity to receive a great education."

The AIM HE Act will authorize a purpose-based commission comprised of persons with disabilities, developers, and manufacturers, as well as representatives from institutions of higher education. This commission will develop voluntary accessibility guidelines for instructional materials used in postsecondary educational programs. Additionally, the commission will be tasked with developing an annotated list of existing national and international information technology standards as an additional resource for institutions of higher education and companies that service the higher education market.

Institutions of higher education that only use technology that conforms with the guidelines will be deemed in compliance with the provisions of Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act and Titles II and III of the Americans with Disabilities Act that pertain to the use of electronic instructional materials, giving them a safe harbor protection from litigation. Colleges and universities will be permitted to use material that does not conform with the guidelines as long as equal access laws are still honored. Conformity with the AIM HE guidelines is only one path to compliance; schools can pursue a different path, but will forfeit the safe harbor legal protection.

The AIM HE Act is a collaborative legislative initiative of the National Federation of the Blind, the American Council on Education, the Association of American Publishers, Educause(r), and the Software and Information Industry Association.




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From zdreicer at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 17:26:48 2016
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. GriegoDreicer)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 12:26:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] What to Ask For from College Food Services
Message-ID: <57e95a60.4685240a.71af8.f9bf@mx.google.com>

Hi Vejas, there is a person always at the front of my dining hall, and they call an employee if I need. Maybe you could suggest that to them?

Sent from my BrailleNote Touch

On Sep 26, 2016 12:13 PM, Vejas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi, 
> I really appreciate all the guidance that you have given me regarding some of my other questions related to college. 
> My cafeteria is divided up into stations. Many of the stations, such as the one for sandwiches, are fairly straightforward, because I just tell them what I want and they hand me the sandwich right away. However, there is one station where students use a screen to order what they want. I have always had to ask another student to help with the screens. 
> I have found that the staff are mostly helpful, though it does vary from time to time. I would like to make it so that I have to rely as minimally on other students as possible, and think that I will meet with someone from food services. Since I am only their second blind student, they probably need some guidance, although I don't know what I should ask for. 
> One thought I have is that one of the people from Disability Services stated that there used to be a staff member at the front entrance. So I could maybe ask if they could continue this system. That way, the person can help me towards the right direction and also help with the screens, should I choose to eat at that station. The other option I had was to see if there could be a staff member at the screen. I don't know how logical this idea is, however, because most all the other students can use the screens without issue, so that staff member would just be spending most of their time standing around. 
> Any insight would be appreciated. 
> Vejas   
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From codeofdusk at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 18:50:39 2016
From: codeofdusk at gmail.com (Bill Dengler)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 18:50:39 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] LaTeX editors for iOS
Message-ID: <92F8BC50-C440-45CD-9610-2E11E912EBA2@gmail.com>

Hello,
Does anyone know of an accessible LaTeX editor/compiler for iOS?

Thanks,
Bill


From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Sep 27 01:18:03 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 21:18:03 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] youtube experiences
Message-ID: <581336EE127546C1AE5FBF42A4DC7FDB@OwnerPC>

Hi all,

How is your youtube experience on a pc? I just browse the videos by searching so far. Do any of you do more advanced stuff like subscribing to channels? How is this done?
Can you download the videos off youtube and if so, how? And what about ripping the audio from the videos?

Finally, I’d thought of creating my own videos. How can  I go about that? My videos would often be for the visually impaired community so I do not really need  the video part but I think you have to make a video to upload it.


Thanks.
Ashley

From nabs.president at gmail.com  Tue Sep 27 13:57:25 2016
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster, NABS President)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 09:57:25 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Hashtag for the Accessible Instructional Material in
 Higher Education (AIMHE) Act
Message-ID: <07f701d218c7$13e048b0$3ba0da10$@gmail.com>

Good morning all:

 

                Just to clarify, the hashtag we are using for AIM-HE is
#DontDenyAimHigh

 

Please continue to tweet and post using this hashtag!

 

Let's get as many co-sponsors as possible!

 

For blind students,

Kathryn Webster

President | National Association of Blind Students

A proud division of the national Federation of the Blind


From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 27 14:18:21 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 10:18:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Hashtag for the Accessible Instructional Material in
 Higher Education (AIMHE) Act
In-Reply-To: <07f701d218c7$13e048b0$3ba0da10$@gmail.com>
References: <07f701d218c7$13e048b0$3ba0da10$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <025a01d218ca$01101fa0$03305ee0$@gmail.com>

	Who do we post too?
Who do we contact about opposing this?
 Justin


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn
Webster, NABS President via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 9:57 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Kathryn Webster, NABS President <nabs.president at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Hashtag for the Accessible Instructional Material in
Higher Education (AIMHE) Act

Good morning all:

 

                Just to clarify, the hashtag we are using for AIM-HE is
#DontDenyAimHigh

 

Please continue to tweet and post using this hashtag!

 

Let's get as many co-sponsors as possible!

 

For blind students,

Kathryn Webster

President | National Association of Blind Students

A proud division of the national Federation of the Blind

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From GCazares at nfb.org  Tue Sep 27 14:31:17 2016
From: GCazares at nfb.org (Cazares, Gabe)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 14:31:17 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Hashtag for the Accessible Instructional Material in
 Higher Education (AIMHE) Act
In-Reply-To: <025a01d218ca$01101fa0$03305ee0$@gmail.com>
References: <07f701d218c7$13e048b0$3ba0da10$@gmail.com>
	<025a01d218ca$01101fa0$03305ee0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BN6PR17MB115633E711ECAE28353A28A0DECC0@BN6PR17MB1156.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Justin and All,

In addition to calling your representative's office, you can also tag them in social media to ask them to cosponsor HR 6122. Ask your friends to do the same! The number to the capitol switchboard is (202) 225-3121.
Thanks everyone for your hard work. Let's go build the Federation!

...Gabe

Gabe Cazares
Government Affairs Specialist
National Federation of the Blind
200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place
Baltimore, MD 21230
E: gcazares at nfb.org
O: (410) 659-9314 Ext. 2206
C: (281) 965-9583
T: @gmcazares

Help remove artificial barriers for blind students in classrooms nation-wide, click here to learn more.! #DontDenyAimHigh

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.

Make a gift to the National Federation of the Blind and help ensure all blind Americans live the lives they want.

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin Williams via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 10:18 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Justin Williams
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Hashtag for the Accessible Instructional Material in Higher Education (AIMHE) Act

	Who do we post too?
Who do we contact about opposing this?
 Justin


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Webster, NABS President via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 9:57 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Kathryn Webster, NABS President <nabs.president at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Hashtag for the Accessible Instructional Material in Higher Education (AIMHE) Act

Good morning all:

 

                Just to clarify, the hashtag we are using for AIM-HE is #DontDenyAimHigh

 

Please continue to tweet and post using this hashtag!

 

Let's get as many co-sponsors as possible!

 

For blind students,

Kathryn Webster

President | National Association of Blind Students

A proud division of the national Federation of the Blind

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From emitchell927 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 27 14:34:10 2016
From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 10:34:10 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Hashtag for the Accessible Instructional Material in
 Higher Education (AIMHE) Act
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR17MB115633E711ECAE28353A28A0DECC0@BN6PR17MB1156.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
References: <07f701d218c7$13e048b0$3ba0da10$@gmail.com>
	<025a01d218ca$01101fa0$03305ee0$@gmail.com>
	<BN6PR17MB115633E711ECAE28353A28A0DECC0@BN6PR17MB1156.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <6DBAC9F8-9200-44AA-ACE3-528A70D3DC81@gmail.com>

I called my representative in Pennsylvania!
Emma Jane Mitchell
> On Sep 27, 2016, at 10:31 AM, Cazares, Gabe via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Justin and All,
> 
> In addition to calling your representative's office, you can also tag them in social media to ask them to cosponsor HR 6122. Ask your friends to do the same! The number to the capitol switchboard is (202) 225-3121.
> Thanks everyone for your hard work. Let's go build the Federation!
> 
> ...Gabe
> 
> Gabe Cazares
> Government Affairs Specialist
> National Federation of the Blind
> 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place
> Baltimore, MD 21230
> E: gcazares at nfb.org
> O: (410) 659-9314 Ext. 2206
> C: (281) 965-9583
> T: @gmcazares
> 
> Help remove artificial barriers for blind students in classrooms nation-wide, click here to learn more.! #DontDenyAimHigh
> 
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
> 
> Make a gift to the National Federation of the Blind and help ensure all blind Americans live the lives they want.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin Williams via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 10:18 AM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Cc: Justin Williams
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Hashtag for the Accessible Instructional Material in Higher Education (AIMHE) Act
> 
> 	Who do we post too?
> Who do we contact about opposing this?
> Justin
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Webster, NABS President via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 9:57 AM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Kathryn Webster, NABS President <nabs.president at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Hashtag for the Accessible Instructional Material in Higher Education (AIMHE) Act
> 
> Good morning all:
> 
> 
> 
>                Just to clarify, the hashtag we are using for AIM-HE is #DontDenyAimHigh
> 
> 
> 
> Please continue to tweet and post using this hashtag!
> 
> 
> 
> Let's get as many co-sponsors as possible!
> 
> 
> 
> For blind students,
> 
> Kathryn Webster
> 
> President | National Association of Blind Students
> 
> A proud division of the national Federation of the Blind
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
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From mausbun at unr.edu  Tue Sep 27 15:20:39 2016
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 15:20:39 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Hashtag for the Accessible Instructional Material in
 Higher Education (AIMHE) Act
In-Reply-To: <025a01d218ca$01101fa0$03305ee0$@gmail.com>
References: <07f701d218c7$13e048b0$3ba0da10$@gmail.com>,
	<025a01d218ca$01101fa0$03305ee0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B236D61DE@UBOX2.unr.edu>

Hello All:
Just to clarify, we are not aposing AIM-HEA; AIM-HEA is the legislative priority dealing with accessible instructional matirials in higher education. The Federation has had similar pieces of legislation in the past (SMART, and TEACH). This legislation is ours, for us. Lets get it past NABSters! #DontDenyAimHigh
Best,
Michael
________________________________________
From: NABS-L [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Justin Williams via NABS-L [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 7:18 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Justin Williams
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Hashtag for the Accessible Instructional Material in Higher Education (AIMHE) Act

        Who do we post too?
Who do we contact about opposing this?
 Justin


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn
Webster, NABS President via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 9:57 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Kathryn Webster, NABS President <nabs.president at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Hashtag for the Accessible Instructional Material in
Higher Education (AIMHE) Act

Good morning all:



                Just to clarify, the hashtag we are using for AIM-HE is
#DontDenyAimHigh



Please continue to tweet and post using this hashtag!



Let's get as many co-sponsors as possible!



For blind students,

Kathryn Webster

President | National Association of Blind Students

A proud division of the national Federation of the Blind

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From emitchell927 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 27 15:57:38 2016
From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 11:57:38 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Hashtag for the Accessible Instructional Material in
 Higher Education (AIMHE) Act
In-Reply-To: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B236D61DE@UBOX2.unr.edu>
References: <07f701d218c7$13e048b0$3ba0da10$@gmail.com>
	<025a01d218ca$01101fa0$03305ee0$@gmail.com>
	<79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B236D61DE@UBOX2.unr.edu>
Message-ID: <519F59D1-4BF0-47BA-9A0B-1F800A6E8220@gmail.com>

I've been working getting GWU on board and I would like to update you Michael, is there a time we could talk?
Emma

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 27, 2016, at 11:20 AM, Michael D Ausbun via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All:
> Just to clarify, we are not aposing AIM-HEA; AIM-HEA is the legislative priority dealing with accessible instructional matirials in higher education. The Federation has had similar pieces of legislation in the past (SMART, and TEACH). This legislation is ours, for us. Lets get it past NABSters! #DontDenyAimHigh
> Best,
> Michael
> ________________________________________
> From: NABS-L [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Justin Williams via NABS-L [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 7:18 AM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Cc: Justin Williams
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Hashtag for the Accessible Instructional Material in Higher Education (AIMHE) Act
> 
>        Who do we post too?
> Who do we contact about opposing this?
> Justin
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn
> Webster, NABS President via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 9:57 AM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Kathryn Webster, NABS President <nabs.president at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Hashtag for the Accessible Instructional Material in
> Higher Education (AIMHE) Act
> 
> Good morning all:
> 
> 
> 
>                Just to clarify, the hashtag we are using for AIM-HE is
> #DontDenyAimHigh
> 
> 
> 
> Please continue to tweet and post using this hashtag!
> 
> 
> 
> Let's get as many co-sponsors as possible!
> 
> 
> 
> For blind students,
> 
> Kathryn Webster
> 
> President | National Association of Blind Students
> 
> A proud division of the national Federation of the Blind
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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From GCazares at nfb.org  Tue Sep 27 16:08:41 2016
From: GCazares at nfb.org (Cazares, Gabe)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 16:08:41 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Hashtag for the Accessible Instructional Material in
 Higher Education (AIMHE) Act
In-Reply-To: <519F59D1-4BF0-47BA-9A0B-1F800A6E8220@gmail.com>
References: <07f701d218c7$13e048b0$3ba0da10$@gmail.com>
	<025a01d218ca$01101fa0$03305ee0$@gmail.com>
	<79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B236D61DE@UBOX2.unr.edu>
	<519F59D1-4BF0-47BA-9A0B-1F800A6E8220@gmail.com>
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Friends,

Michael is correct. We are not opposing HR 6122, the AIM HE Act is building upon the work started by our former TEACH Act. Please contact your representative to encourage them to support the bill as a cosponsor.

Gabe Cazares
Government Affairs Specialist
National Federation of the Blind
200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place
Baltimore, MD 21230
E: gcazares at nfb.org
O: (410) 659-9314 Ext. 2206
C: (281) 965-9583
T: @gmcazares

Help remove artificial barriers for blind students in classrooms nation-wide, click here to learn more.! #DontDenyAimHigh

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.

Make a gift to the National Federation of the Blind and help ensure all blind Americans live the lives they want.

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Emma Mitchell via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 11:58 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Emma Mitchell
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Hashtag for the Accessible Instructional Material in Higher Education (AIMHE) Act

I've been working getting GWU on board and I would like to update you Michael, is there a time we could talk?
Emma

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 27, 2016, at 11:20 AM, Michael D Ausbun via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All:
> Just to clarify, we are not aposing AIM-HEA; AIM-HEA is the 
> legislative priority dealing with accessible instructional matirials 
> in higher education. The Federation has had similar pieces of 
> legislation in the past (SMART, and TEACH). This legislation is ours, 
> for us. Lets get it past NABSters! #DontDenyAimHigh Best, Michael 
> ________________________________________
> From: NABS-L [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Justin Williams 
> via NABS-L [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 7:18 AM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Cc: Justin Williams
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Hashtag for the Accessible Instructional 
> Material in Higher Education (AIMHE) Act
> 
>        Who do we post too?
> Who do we contact about opposing this?
> Justin
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn 
> Webster, NABS President via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 9:57 AM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Kathryn Webster, NABS President <nabs.president at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Hashtag for the Accessible Instructional Material in 
> Higher Education (AIMHE) Act
> 
> Good morning all:
> 
> 
> 
>                Just to clarify, the hashtag we are using for AIM-HE is 
> #DontDenyAimHigh
> 
> 
> 
> Please continue to tweet and post using this hashtag!
> 
> 
> 
> Let's get as many co-sponsors as possible!
> 
> 
> 
> For blind students,
> 
> Kathryn Webster
> 
> President | National Association of Blind Students
> 
> A proud division of the national Federation of the Blind
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From freespirit328 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 27 17:09:51 2016
From: freespirit328 at gmail.com (Jennifer Aberdeen)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 13:09:51 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Hashtag for the Accessible Instructional Material in
 Higher Education (AIMHE) Act
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How do I post this on FB? Do I just paste the hashtag and then tag my 
Representatives and post it as public?

Jen

-----Original Message----- 
From: Cazares, Gabe via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 12:08 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Cazares, Gabe
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Hashtag for the Accessible Instructional Material in 
Higher Education (AIMHE) Act

Friends,

Michael is correct. We are not opposing HR 6122, the AIM HE Act is building 
upon the work started by our former TEACH Act. Please contact your 
representative to encourage them to support the bill as a cosponsor.

Gabe Cazares
Government Affairs Specialist
National Federation of the Blind
200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place
Baltimore, MD 21230
E: gcazares at nfb.org
O: (410) 659-9314 Ext. 2206
C: (281) 965-9583
T: @gmcazares

Help remove artificial barriers for blind students in classrooms 
nation-wide, click here to learn more.! #DontDenyAimHigh

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the 
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the 
expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles 
between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; 
blindness is not what holds you back.

Make a gift to the National Federation of the Blind and help ensure all 
blind Americans live the lives they want.

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Emma Mitchell 
via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 11:58 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Emma Mitchell
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Hashtag for the Accessible Instructional Material in 
Higher Education (AIMHE) Act

I've been working getting GWU on board and I would like to update you 
Michael, is there a time we could talk?
Emma

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 27, 2016, at 11:20 AM, Michael D Ausbun via NABS-L 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hello All:
> Just to clarify, we are not aposing AIM-HEA; AIM-HEA is the
> legislative priority dealing with accessible instructional matirials
> in higher education. The Federation has had similar pieces of
> legislation in the past (SMART, and TEACH). This legislation is ours,
> for us. Lets get it past NABSters! #DontDenyAimHigh Best, Michael
> ________________________________________
> From: NABS-L [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Justin Williams
> via NABS-L [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 7:18 AM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Cc: Justin Williams
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Hashtag for the Accessible Instructional
> Material in Higher Education (AIMHE) Act
>
>        Who do we post too?
> Who do we contact about opposing this?
> Justin
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn
> Webster, NABS President via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 9:57 AM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Kathryn Webster, NABS President <nabs.president at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Hashtag for the Accessible Instructional Material in
> Higher Education (AIMHE) Act
>
> Good morning all:
>
>
>
>                Just to clarify, the hashtag we are using for AIM-HE is
> #DontDenyAimHigh
>
>
>
> Please continue to tweet and post using this hashtag!
>
>
>
> Let's get as many co-sponsors as possible!
>
>
>
> For blind students,
>
> Kathryn Webster
>
> President | National Association of Blind Students
>
> A proud division of the national Federation of the Blind
>
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>
>
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From mausbun at unr.edu  Tue Sep 27 17:25:29 2016
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 17:25:29 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Hashtag for the Accessible Instructional Material in
 Higher Education (AIMHE) Act
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Hello there,
	To paste it on Facebook, you would do exactly what you have stated. If I may make a suggestion, you should explain how you have been directly affected by inaccessibility in the classroom, or in an institution. End the story, or video, with the hashtag, and call for your congressional representatives to cosponsor H.R.6122.
Thanks for all you do,
Michael Ausbun, Secretary
Chair, Legislative Committee
National Association of Blind Students

________________________________________
From: NABS-L [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Jennifer Aberdeen via NABS-L [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 10:09 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Jennifer Aberdeen
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Hashtag for the Accessible Instructional Material in Higher Education (AIMHE) Act

How do I post this on FB? Do I just paste the hashtag and then tag my
Representatives and post it as public?

Jen

-----Original Message-----
From: Cazares, Gabe via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 12:08 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Cazares, Gabe
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Hashtag for the Accessible Instructional Material in
Higher Education (AIMHE) Act

Friends,

Michael is correct. We are not opposing HR 6122, the AIM HE Act is building
upon the work started by our former TEACH Act. Please contact your
representative to encourage them to support the bill as a cosponsor.

Gabe Cazares
Government Affairs Specialist
National Federation of the Blind
200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place
Baltimore, MD 21230
E: gcazares at nfb.org
O: (410) 659-9314 Ext. 2206
C: (281) 965-9583
T: @gmcazares

Help remove artificial barriers for blind students in classrooms
nation-wide, click here to learn more.! #DontDenyAimHigh

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
blindness is not what holds you back.

Make a gift to the National Federation of the Blind and help ensure all
blind Americans live the lives they want.

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Emma Mitchell
via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 11:58 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Emma Mitchell
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Hashtag for the Accessible Instructional Material in
Higher Education (AIMHE) Act

I've been working getting GWU on board and I would like to update you
Michael, is there a time we could talk?
Emma

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 27, 2016, at 11:20 AM, Michael D Ausbun via NABS-L
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hello All:
> Just to clarify, we are not aposing AIM-HEA; AIM-HEA is the
> legislative priority dealing with accessible instructional matirials
> in higher education. The Federation has had similar pieces of
> legislation in the past (SMART, and TEACH). This legislation is ours,
> for us. Lets get it past NABSters! #DontDenyAimHigh Best, Michael
> ________________________________________
> From: NABS-L [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Justin Williams
> via NABS-L [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 7:18 AM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Cc: Justin Williams
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Hashtag for the Accessible Instructional
> Material in Higher Education (AIMHE) Act
>
>        Who do we post too?
> Who do we contact about opposing this?
> Justin
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn
> Webster, NABS President via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 9:57 AM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Kathryn Webster, NABS President <nabs.president at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Hashtag for the Accessible Instructional Material in
> Higher Education (AIMHE) Act
>
> Good morning all:
>
>
>
>                Just to clarify, the hashtag we are using for AIM-HE is
> #DontDenyAimHigh
>
>
>
> Please continue to tweet and post using this hashtag!
>
>
>
> Let's get as many co-sponsors as possible!
>
>
>
> For blind students,
>
> Kathryn Webster
>
> President | National Association of Blind Students
>
> A proud division of the national Federation of the Blind
>
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 27 19:06:54 2016
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 15:06:54 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] quick question regarding format of SD card for new
 Braillenote
Message-ID: <11B21DA1-5634-411A-943C-1E7B5D0A1E19@gmail.com>

Hi,
Last week, I had transferred some data to an SD card for use with the new Braillenote, however, I couldn’t find it today, when I was looking for it, so I made a new one.
What format must the card be in for it to be recognized by the new device?
Any tips or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Jessica



From louvins at gmail.com  Tue Sep 27 19:11:25 2016
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 14:11:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] quick question regarding format of SD card for new
 Braillenote
In-Reply-To: <11B21DA1-5634-411A-943C-1E7B5D0A1E19@gmail.com>
References: <11B21DA1-5634-411A-943C-1E7B5D0A1E19@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADUoy9uxY9FG0efkgo5tH1LP6TjKECvOdq-cvba9WqmBCV53yQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jessica.  If you're talking about the braille note touch, then any
kind of sd card should work.  I believe the touch can take both cards
formatted as fat32, and XFAT FILE systems.  Possibly NTFS as well.

On 9/27/16, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> Last week, I had transferred some data to an SD card for use with the new
> Braillenote, however, I couldn’t find it today, when I was looking for it,
> so I made a new one.
> What format must the card be in for it to be recognized by the new device?
> Any tips or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Jessica
>
>
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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Wed Sep 28 12:06:18 2016
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster, NABS President)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 08:06:18 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] IMPORTANT: The #HowEyeSeeIt Campaign from Foundation
 Fighting Blindness
Message-ID: <014601d21980$b8de9970$2a9bcc50$@gmail.com>

Dear NABS:

 

                On August 25, 2016, the Foundation Fighting Blindness (FFB)
created what they are calling the "Blind fold Challenge," under the hashtag
"#HowEyeSeeIt (eye as in E. Y. E.)  In this challenge, people are asked to
put on a blind fold for a minimal amount of time to preform a day-to-day
task. In doing so, a person is supposedly made aware of what it is like to
be a blind person.

It is the hopes of the Foundation Fighting Blindness that, because they
recognize the struggles blind people face, they will donate money to "cure
blindness."

 

                Our members of the National Federation of the Blind have
spoken out against this campaign, and we have been silenced. In fact, we are
not inherently opposed to medical research for blindness. What we find
problematic is the inaccurate portrayal of blind people as helpless; or
worse: blindness as something to fear. For example, one of the videos
demonstrates "what it would be like if you lost your sight.what it is like
to no longer see your children." In an age where blind parents are
systematically subjected to third-party custody or separation from their
children, on the bases of their blindness, videos misconstruing blind
parenting is offensive, dangerous, and frightening to us.

 

                We have explained, using scientific research, why blind fold
simulation is harmful in societal interactions and practical application. We
have fought back hard, by demonstrating what it is truly like to be blind,
independent, and capable. We have been marginally successful. The fight does
not stop here. We must continue the fight to show that we can live the life
we want. 

 

There are three things we must keep in mind and take action:

1. Do not participate in the blindfold challenge: they are destructive and
dangerous to our work.

2. Do not donate to this campaign: we are not against medical research, even
medical research conducted by the foundation. We are against this campaign,
though!

3. Educate people. Please post videos, pictures, and text. This will explain
how you live the life you want. We know that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines us, or what holds us back. We know, with
alternative techniques and proper training, we can perform the same task as
an average person in an average setting.

 

In pushing back, we must stay respectful. We must continue educating the
public because it is the low expectations of blindness that create obstacles
between us and our dreams. 

 

I believe in us, the students, to show our capabilities by pushing back on
the Blindfold Challenge. Let's join together, the national Federation of the
Blind, the most powerful blindness organization in our nation.

#HowEyeSeeIt

 

Please let me know if you have any questions; and I can't wait to see all
the posts our blind students have to share!

 

Yours and the Movement,

Kathryn Webster

President | National Association of Blind Students

(203) 273-8463

Nabs.president at gmail.com <mailto:Nabs.president at gmail.com> 

Nfb.students.com

@nabslink


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 28 12:59:50 2016
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 08:59:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] IMPORTANT: The #HowEyeSeeIt Campaign from Foundation
 Fighting Blindness
In-Reply-To: <014601d21980$b8de9970$2a9bcc50$@gmail.com>
References: <014601d21980$b8de9970$2a9bcc50$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJC96QUzbBfh9yjo0=81LiScTechASNjzVBa4=9fkL42Ug@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all. You can also take action by going to the Foundation Fighting
Blindness's Facebook page and posting a negative review in the reviews
section. A number of our members, including President Riccobono, have
done this.
Best, Arielle

On 9/28/16, Kathryn Webster, NABS President via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Dear NABS:
>
>
>
>                 On August 25, 2016, the Foundation Fighting Blindness (FFB)
> created what they are calling the "Blind fold Challenge," under the hashtag
> "#HowEyeSeeIt (eye as in E. Y. E.)  In this challenge, people are asked to
> put on a blind fold for a minimal amount of time to preform a day-to-day
> task. In doing so, a person is supposedly made aware of what it is like to
> be a blind person.
>
> It is the hopes of the Foundation Fighting Blindness that, because they
> recognize the struggles blind people face, they will donate money to "cure
> blindness."
>
>
>
>                 Our members of the National Federation of the Blind have
> spoken out against this campaign, and we have been silenced. In fact, we
> are
> not inherently opposed to medical research for blindness. What we find
> problematic is the inaccurate portrayal of blind people as helpless; or
> worse: blindness as something to fear. For example, one of the videos
> demonstrates "what it would be like if you lost your sight.what it is like
> to no longer see your children." In an age where blind parents are
> systematically subjected to third-party custody or separation from their
> children, on the bases of their blindness, videos misconstruing blind
> parenting is offensive, dangerous, and frightening to us.
>
>
>
>                 We have explained, using scientific research, why blind
> fold
> simulation is harmful in societal interactions and practical application.
> We
> have fought back hard, by demonstrating what it is truly like to be blind,
> independent, and capable. We have been marginally successful. The fight
> does
> not stop here. We must continue the fight to show that we can live the life
> we want.
>
>
>
> There are three things we must keep in mind and take action:
>
> 1. Do not participate in the blindfold challenge: they are destructive and
> dangerous to our work.
>
> 2. Do not donate to this campaign: we are not against medical research,
> even
> medical research conducted by the foundation. We are against this campaign,
> though!
>
> 3. Educate people. Please post videos, pictures, and text. This will
> explain
> how you live the life you want. We know that blindness is not the
> characteristic that defines us, or what holds us back. We know, with
> alternative techniques and proper training, we can perform the same task as
> an average person in an average setting.
>
>
>
> In pushing back, we must stay respectful. We must continue educating the
> public because it is the low expectations of blindness that create
> obstacles
> between us and our dreams.
>
>
>
> I believe in us, the students, to show our capabilities by pushing back on
> the Blindfold Challenge. Let's join together, the national Federation of
> the
> Blind, the most powerful blindness organization in our nation.
>
> #HowEyeSeeIt
>
>
>
> Please let me know if you have any questions; and I can't wait to see all
> the posts our blind students have to share!
>
>
>
> Yours and the Movement,
>
> Kathryn Webster
>
> President | National Association of Blind Students
>
> (203) 273-8463
>
> Nabs.president at gmail.com <mailto:Nabs.president at gmail.com>
>
> Nfb.students.com
>
> @nabslink
>
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NABS-L:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com
>


From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 28 13:50:45 2016
From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Linson Productions)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 09:50:45 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] IMPORTANT: The #HowEyeSeeIt Campaign from Foundation
 Fighting Blindness
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJC96QUzbBfh9yjo0=81LiScTechASNjzVBa4=9fkL42Ug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <014601d21980$b8de9970$2a9bcc50$@gmail.com>
	<CALAYQJC96QUzbBfh9yjo0=81LiScTechASNjzVBa4=9fkL42Ug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADuVAt5JctO9e6bD-_3mO=o_PzmQ=Av9VJrny81e_yADf4ckoA@mail.gmail.com>

I don't think posting a negative review will help anything. You may want to
consider that the federation fighting blindness is helping those who don't
understand and have never experienced before. What has the NFB done?

On Sep 28, 2016 9:08 AM, "Arielle Silverman via NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hi all. You can also take action by going to the Foundation Fighting
> Blindness's Facebook page and posting a negative review in the reviews
> section. A number of our members, including President Riccobono, have
> done this.
> Best, Arielle
>
> On 9/28/16, Kathryn Webster, NABS President via NABS-L
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Dear NABS:
> >
> >
> >
> >                 On August 25, 2016, the Foundation Fighting Blindness
> (FFB)
> > created what they are calling the "Blind fold Challenge," under the
> hashtag
> > "#HowEyeSeeIt (eye as in E. Y. E.)  In this challenge, people are asked
> to
> > put on a blind fold for a minimal amount of time to preform a day-to-day
> > task. In doing so, a person is supposedly made aware of what it is like
> to
> > be a blind person.
> >
> > It is the hopes of the Foundation Fighting Blindness that, because they
> > recognize the struggles blind people face, they will donate money to
> "cure
> > blindness."
> >
> >
> >
> >                 Our members of the National Federation of the Blind have
> > spoken out against this campaign, and we have been silenced. In fact, we
> > are
> > not inherently opposed to medical research for blindness. What we find
> > problematic is the inaccurate portrayal of blind people as helpless; or
> > worse: blindness as something to fear. For example, one of the videos
> > demonstrates "what it would be like if you lost your sight.what it is
> like
> > to no longer see your children." In an age where blind parents are
> > systematically subjected to third-party custody or separation from their
> > children, on the bases of their blindness, videos misconstruing blind
> > parenting is offensive, dangerous, and frightening to us.
> >
> >
> >
> >                 We have explained, using scientific research, why blind
> > fold
> > simulation is harmful in societal interactions and practical application.
> > We
> > have fought back hard, by demonstrating what it is truly like to be
> blind,
> > independent, and capable. We have been marginally successful. The fight
> > does
> > not stop here. We must continue the fight to show that we can live the
> life
> > we want.
> >
> >
> >
> > There are three things we must keep in mind and take action:
> >
> > 1. Do not participate in the blindfold challenge: they are destructive
> and
> > dangerous to our work.
> >
> > 2. Do not donate to this campaign: we are not against medical research,
> > even
> > medical research conducted by the foundation. We are against this
> campaign,
> > though!
> >
> > 3. Educate people. Please post videos, pictures, and text. This will
> > explain
> > how you live the life you want. We know that blindness is not the
> > characteristic that defines us, or what holds us back. We know, with
> > alternative techniques and proper training, we can perform the same task
> as
> > an average person in an average setting.
> >
> >
> >
> > In pushing back, we must stay respectful. We must continue educating the
> > public because it is the low expectations of blindness that create
> > obstacles
> > between us and our dreams.
> >
> >
> >
> > I believe in us, the students, to show our capabilities by pushing back
> on
> > the Blindfold Challenge. Let's join together, the national Federation of
> > the
> > Blind, the most powerful blindness organization in our nation.
> >
> > #HowEyeSeeIt
> >
> >
> >
> > Please let me know if you have any questions; and I can't wait to see all
> > the posts our blind students have to share!
> >
> >
> >
> > Yours and the Movement,
> >
> > Kathryn Webster
> >
> > President | National Association of Blind Students
> >
> > (203) 273-8463
> >
> > Nabs.president at gmail.com <mailto:Nabs.president at gmail.com>
> >
> > Nfb.students.com
> >
> > @nabslink
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NABS-L mailing list
> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > NABS-L:
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/
> arielle71%40gmail.com
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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> blindgeek1989%40gmail.com
>

From carlymih at comcast.net  Wed Sep 28 16:18:44 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 09:18:44 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] IMPORTANT: The #HowEyeSeeIt Campaign from Foundation
 Fighting Blindness
In-Reply-To: <CADuVAt5JctO9e6bD-_3mO=o_PzmQ=Av9VJrny81e_yADf4ckoA@mail.g
	mail.com>
References: <014601d21980$b8de9970$2a9bcc50$@gmail.com>
	<CALAYQJC96QUzbBfh9yjo0=81LiScTechASNjzVBa4=9fkL42Ug@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADuVAt5JctO9e6bD-_3mO=o_PzmQ=Av9VJrny81e_yADf4ckoA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.283.1772982283.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Good morning, Kathryn,

         We know all this, that is, we know how,dawning a blind fold 
is usually a destructive practice, doesn't give anyone, particularly 
Ol'Sighty,  an idea of actually living as a blind person, but we 
don't need to attack like this, that is, unless you appreciate the 
Federation being thought of as militant, angry.
Car /28/2016, Linson Productions via NABS-L wrote:
>I don't think posting a negative review will help anything. You may want to
>consider that the federation fighting blindness is helping those who don't
>understand and have never experienced before. What has the NFB done?
>
>On Sep 28, 2016 9:08 AM, "Arielle Silverman via NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>wrote:
>
> > Hi all. You can also take action by going to the Foundation Fighting
> > Blindness's Facebook page and posting a negative review in the reviews
> > section. A number of our members, including President Riccobono, have
> > done this.
> > Best, Arielle
> >
> > On 9/28/16, Kathryn Webster, NABS President via NABS-L
> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > > Dear NABS:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >                 On August 25, 2016, the Foundation Fighting Blindness
> > (FFB)
> > > created what they are calling the "Blind fold Challenge," under the
> > hashtag
> > > "#HowEyeSeeIt (eye as in E. Y. E.)  In this challenge, people are asked
> > to
> > > put on a blind fold for a minimal amount of time to preform a day-to-day
> > > task. In doing so, a person is supposedly made aware of what it is like
> > to
> > > be a blind person.
> > >
> > > It is the hopes of the Foundation Fighting Blindness that, because they
> > > recognize the struggles blind people face, they will donate money to
> > "cure
> > > blindness."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >                 Our members of the National Federation of the Blind have
> > > spoken out against this campaign, and we have been silenced. In fact, we
> > > are
> > > not inherently opposed to medical research for blindness. What we find
> > > problematic is the inaccurate portrayal of blind people as helpless; or
> > > worse: blindness as something to fear. For example, one of the videos
> > > demonstrates "what it would be like if you lost your sight.what it is
> > like
> > > to no longer see your children." In an age where blind parents are
> > > systematically subjected to third-party custody or separation from their
> > > children, on the bases of their blindness, videos misconstruing blind
> > > parenting is offensive, dangerous, and frightening to us.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >                 We have explained, using scientific research, why blind
> > > fold
> > > simulation is harmful in societal interactions and practical application.
> > > We
> > > have fought back hard, by demonstrating what it is truly like to be
> > blind,
> > > independent, and capable. We have been marginally successful. The fight
> > > does
> > > not stop here. We must continue the fight to show that we can live the
> > life
> > > we want.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > There are three things we must keep in mind and take action:
> > >
> > > 1. Do not participate in the blindfold challenge: they are destructive
> > and
> > > dangerous to our work.
> > >
> > > 2. Do not donate to this campaign: we are not against medical research,
> > > even
> > > medical research conducted by the foundation. We are against this
> > campaign,
> > > though!
> > >
> > > 3. Educate people. Please post videos, pictures, and text. This will
> > > explain
> > > how you live the life you want. We know that blindness is not the
> > > characteristic that defines us, or what holds us back. We know, with
> > > alternative techniques and proper training, we can perform the same task
> > as
> > > an average person in an average setting.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In pushing back, we must stay respectful. We must continue educating the
> > > public because it is the low expectations of blindness that create
> > > obstacles
> > > between us and our dreams.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I believe in us, the students, to show our capabilities by pushing back
> > on
> > > the Blindfold Challenge. Let's join together, the national Federation of
> > > the
> > > Blind, the most powerful blindness organization in our nation.
> > >
> > > #HowEyeSeeIt
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Please let me know if you have any questions; and I can't wait to see all
> > > the posts our blind students have to share!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yours and the Movement,
> > >
> > > Kathryn Webster
> > >
> > > President | National Association of Blind Students
> > >
> > > (203) 273-8463
> > >
> > > Nabs.president at gmail.com <mailto:Nabs.president at gmail.com>
> > >
> > > Nfb.students.com
> > >
> > > @nabslink
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > NABS-L mailing list
> > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > > NABS-L:
> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/
> > arielle71%40gmail.com
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > NABS-L:
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/
> > blindgeek1989%40gmail.com
> >
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 28 16:33:48 2016
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 12:33:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] IMPORTANT: The #HowEyeSeeIt Campaign from Foundation
 Fighting Blindness
In-Reply-To: <57ebed9d.43b3c20a.5fb24.0376SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
References: <014601d21980$b8de9970$2a9bcc50$@gmail.com>
	<CALAYQJC96QUzbBfh9yjo0=81LiScTechASNjzVBa4=9fkL42Ug@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADuVAt5JctO9e6bD-_3mO=o_PzmQ=Av9VJrny81e_yADf4ckoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<57ebed9d.43b3c20a.5fb24.0376SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJDKQ09yJCsSwpPhcLtx9HmszzmmP7SECh2bPxScDna_zA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
President Riccobono has reached out to the Foundation Fighting
Blindness to have a conversation with their leadership. Several of us
have also shared our views with them online regarding the campaign. As
of this moment, they have shown no sign of suspending or modifying
their campaign.
It is important to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, but when we
present them with evidence that their campaign could be harmful, and
receive no response, the next step is to amplify our counter-response.
I am sure most of you can relate to having someone try to give
well-intended help that is harmful, by grabbing you on the street, for
instance. This is one of those cases where good intentions have gone
awry.
Best, Arielle

On 9/28/16, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Good morning, Kathryn,
>
>          We know all this, that is, we know how,dawning a blind fold
> is usually a destructive practice, doesn't give anyone, particularly
> Ol'Sighty,  an idea of actually living as a blind person, but we
> don't need to attack like this, that is, unless you appreciate the
> Federation being thought of as militant, angry.
> Car /28/2016, Linson Productions via NABS-L wrote:
>>I don't think posting a negative review will help anything. You may want
>> to
>>consider that the federation fighting blindness is helping those who don't
>>understand and have never experienced before. What has the NFB done?
>>
>>On Sep 28, 2016 9:08 AM, "Arielle Silverman via NABS-L"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>wrote:
>>
>> > Hi all. You can also take action by going to the Foundation Fighting
>> > Blindness's Facebook page and posting a negative review in the reviews
>> > section. A number of our members, including President Riccobono, have
>> > done this.
>> > Best, Arielle
>> >
>> > On 9/28/16, Kathryn Webster, NABS President via NABS-L
>> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> > > Dear NABS:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >                 On August 25, 2016, the Foundation Fighting Blindness
>> > (FFB)
>> > > created what they are calling the "Blind fold Challenge," under the
>> > hashtag
>> > > "#HowEyeSeeIt (eye as in E. Y. E.)  In this challenge, people are
>> > > asked
>> > to
>> > > put on a blind fold for a minimal amount of time to preform a
>> > > day-to-day
>> > > task. In doing so, a person is supposedly made aware of what it is
>> > > like
>> > to
>> > > be a blind person.
>> > >
>> > > It is the hopes of the Foundation Fighting Blindness that, because
>> > > they
>> > > recognize the struggles blind people face, they will donate money to
>> > "cure
>> > > blindness."
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >                 Our members of the National Federation of the Blind
>> > > have
>> > > spoken out against this campaign, and we have been silenced. In fact,
>> > > we
>> > > are
>> > > not inherently opposed to medical research for blindness. What we
>> > > find
>> > > problematic is the inaccurate portrayal of blind people as helpless;
>> > > or
>> > > worse: blindness as something to fear. For example, one of the videos
>> > > demonstrates "what it would be like if you lost your sight.what it is
>> > like
>> > > to no longer see your children." In an age where blind parents are
>> > > systematically subjected to third-party custody or separation from
>> > > their
>> > > children, on the bases of their blindness, videos misconstruing blind
>> > > parenting is offensive, dangerous, and frightening to us.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >                 We have explained, using scientific research, why
>> > > blind
>> > > fold
>> > > simulation is harmful in societal interactions and practical
>> > > application.
>> > > We
>> > > have fought back hard, by demonstrating what it is truly like to be
>> > blind,
>> > > independent, and capable. We have been marginally successful. The
>> > > fight
>> > > does
>> > > not stop here. We must continue the fight to show that we can live
>> > > the
>> > life
>> > > we want.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > There are three things we must keep in mind and take action:
>> > >
>> > > 1. Do not participate in the blindfold challenge: they are
>> > > destructive
>> > and
>> > > dangerous to our work.
>> > >
>> > > 2. Do not donate to this campaign: we are not against medical
>> > > research,
>> > > even
>> > > medical research conducted by the foundation. We are against this
>> > campaign,
>> > > though!
>> > >
>> > > 3. Educate people. Please post videos, pictures, and text. This will
>> > > explain
>> > > how you live the life you want. We know that blindness is not the
>> > > characteristic that defines us, or what holds us back. We know, with
>> > > alternative techniques and proper training, we can perform the same
>> > > task
>> > as
>> > > an average person in an average setting.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > In pushing back, we must stay respectful. We must continue educating
>> > > the
>> > > public because it is the low expectations of blindness that create
>> > > obstacles
>> > > between us and our dreams.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I believe in us, the students, to show our capabilities by pushing
>> > > back
>> > on
>> > > the Blindfold Challenge. Let's join together, the national Federation
>> > > of
>> > > the
>> > > Blind, the most powerful blindness organization in our nation.
>> > >
>> > > #HowEyeSeeIt
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Please let me know if you have any questions; and I can't wait to see
>> > > all
>> > > the posts our blind students have to share!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Yours and the Movement,
>> > >
>> > > Kathryn Webster
>> > >
>> > > President | National Association of Blind Students
>> > >
>> > > (203) 273-8463
>> > >
>> > > Nabs.president at gmail.com <mailto:Nabs.president at gmail.com>
>> > >
>> > > Nfb.students.com
>> > >
>> > > @nabslink
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > NABS-L mailing list
>> > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> > > NABS-L:
>> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/
>> > arielle71%40gmail.com
>> > >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > NABS-L mailing list
>> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> > NABS-L:
>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/
>> > blindgeek1989%40gmail.com
>> >
>>_______________________________________________
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>
>
>
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Wed Sep 28 17:15:26 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 10:15:26 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] review of social skills in training centers
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Good morning, Beth,

So narrow, so limiting, how can someone anticipate the warants of 
every single situation?
CarAt 08:42 PM 8/14/2014, Beth Taurasi via nabs-l wrote:
>Talking bad is a combination of things, in my opinion.  Bashing, use 
>of bad language/words such as, dare I say it, the F word, the N 
>word, etc., and talking rebeliously to people if you are under 
>eighteen.  That's talking bad.
>Beth
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>To: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>, National Association 
>of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 15:24:01 -0700
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] review of social skills in training centers
>
>I may regret this but I feel the desire to ask: What does "talking
>bad" entail? Using bad grammar? Sounding uneducated?
>I worry that in these kinds of discussions we are conflating "social
>skills" with value judgments about how educated or decent people
>should behave. It is not really the place of a training center for
>adults to make these kinds of value judgments.
>
>Further, cigarette smoking, drinking and consensual sex are all legal,
>allowable activities for adults to engage in. They can lead to harm
>but only if they are not done responsibly. I don't think it is
>appropriate for a training center for adults to deny students these
>basic freedoms or try to babysit students, but they should do whatever
>they can to ensure that such freedoms don't cause harm to others. From
>what I've seen I think the NFB centers are pretty good at walking that
>line. But there might be occasional times when a harm occurs or
>something gets out of hand despite the center staff's efforts to
>enforce rules of conduct. The same risk applies at a college or any
>other place where adults freely reside. If that happens, I hope the
>individuals involved discuss their concerns with the center and that
>the center responds appropriately.
>
>Arielle
>
>On 8/14/14, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>Hello Antonio and all,
>
>Given the fact that we are currently discussing what is and is not
>appropriate for this email list, I believe it would be best for us not to
>discuss this topic on the email list. I can see this topic getting out of
>hand rather easily as well as offending people easily by reporting
>inaccurate myths and facts about rape and sexual assault. While I believe
>it
>is important for people to understand the real facts about rape and sexual
>assault, I do not believe this discussion should take place on this email
>list.
>
>Warm regards,
>Elizabeth
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Antonio
>Guimaraes via nabs-l
>Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 11:28 AM
>To: Carly Mihalakis; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] review of social skills in training centers
>
>Carly,
>
>I am not a woman, so the following comment may be taken with a grain of
>salt.
>
>I have not read any studies, but I do not believe most, let's say over 50
>percent of women, are raped.
>
>To say that most women are raped may be overstating the fact a bit.
>
>You also say that in your opinion it is better that rape happens "within a
>more or less controlled environment where some support is available."
>
>Many cases of rape go unreported because the victim feels nothing will be
>done, or that se will be retaliated against.
>
>Rape happens in colleges and universities, which qualify as very controlled
>environments, but most media accounts of rape cases at universities I hear
>tell a story different from a place of support to rape victims.
>
>There is no easy answer to treating rape epidemic.
>
>However, I am not positive any organization, including a training center,
>wants to acknowledge and address rape in a satisfactory way. That stuff is
>often best left alone, and swept under the rug from the perspective of the
>service provider, be it a training center, or a university.
>
>I question whether any organization adequately supports rape victims for
>these reasons.
>
>As for rape victims, I believe it is important to find the appropriate
>authorities and procedures to report these incidents.
>
>Education about what is rape, and how to avoid it should also go a long way
>to prevent it in the first place.
>
>Antonio
>
>
>On Aug 13, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>wrote:
>
>Good morning, Don't forget, rape happens everywhere, to most women, at
>camp, at college, at frat parties. And yes, at centers, too. And, it is my
>opinion that it's better that it happens within a more or less controlled
>environment where some support is available, than after leaving the center
>where, one must fend for herself. And no, sharing general ideas,
>particularly about matters considdered taboo, has a place. If information
>someone appreciates, happening to come from a listserv such as this, helps
>one person, it is fulfilling an envaluable function.
>
>wrote:
>I'm not exactly sure how to say this delicately, so please understand
>that I'm not trying to be offensive here.
>I find the statement that you made, that social skills must be taught
>at centers because there is too much drama on Skype, to be wanting in
>many ways.
>First of all, I agree with what Arielle said. A class about social
>skills could very easily backfire. I don't even think the model of
>structured discovery would be able to rein in individual
>personalities on this subject, nor should it. Each person, to an
>extent, is free to behave how they see fit, as long as they're not
>causing harm to others. I believe that forcing people to go through
>training in social skills would quickly and effectively single out
>those who were maybe more inept, and just lead to ridicule by the
>other participants rather than actually helping them to see things
>differently. Furthermore, no one wants to be told how to act. As long
>as we know the basics, and I suspect that most of us do, we'll be fine
>in
>most settings.
>Now, about the actual suggestion that social skills training will
>eliminate drama on Skype, I'm sorry, but that is ridiculous. I would
>suggest that, rather than focusing on browbeating people into making
>changes that they might not even find to be necessary, you should
>distance yourself from those who are giving you problems. It's just
>skype, after all. Blocking an annoying or offensive person is
>literally a click or keystroke away.
>
>Finally, if someone did truly get raped at one of the NFB's training
>centers, that is horrible and should be dealt with. But I think it's
>in poor taste to bring it up on a public mailing list. Even though
>you didn't mention the person's name, how do you think that person
>would feel if she knew you had paraded her story around without asking
>her?
>Even if she did give you permission to talk about it, I still would
>think that there are better venues for getting her story out there.
>Starting with the center itself, obviously. But there's so much that
>we don't know that any more speculation on my part would be
>unnecessary.
>I do agree, however, that it might be a good idea to add self-defense
>training to the curriculum of NFB training centers. I believe that
>too many blind people perceive themselves to be more defenseless than
>their sighted counterparts. And, sadly, there are probably a lot of
>criminals out there who would mug or attack a disabled person just
>because they think that person is helpless. I also believe strongly
>that learning how to defend oneself is a pretty good way to become
>confident. If it were me, I'd feel that way. As someone who does
>struggle with this very thing sometimes, the fact that I'm not only
>blind, but female, and not very physically imposing, either, gets to
>me sometimes. It makes me a little less confident in city
>environments. Then again, this could also be because I was raised in
>a rural area, so I have a natural wariness toward that kind of thing.
>But I do think, either way, it has a place in a confidence-building
>curriculum. Everyone feels better about themselves if they feel like
>they know what to do in a situation where they're being victimized.
>
>On 8/9/14, Beth Taurasi via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>Dear RJ and all,
>While I'm in agreement with the independent living skills portion
>of training at the Center, I was STILL forced into a sighted group
>of socially inept people who mostly do not discuss blindness.
>It
>is absolutely horrific that any voc rehab would do this and think
>that my primary disability is NOT blindness, but mental illness
>instead.  Well, that mental illness was caused because I was blind.
>If I hadn't been blind, I would not have any problems because of
>the society and the sighted world's view of blindness as a darker
>form of living.  Social skills also must be taught because, if you
>look at it this way, there is too much drama on Skype.  RJ is
>right, but let's face this: social skills are not being taught
>properly at any of the Centers.  I've heard of people at both CCB
>and LCB not bathing, smoking, and doing things that are otherwise
>not allowed.  I've heard numerous complaints from various people
>that say that the Center students smell bad, look bad, talk badly,
>and so on.  There was a girl who was unable to keep her body safe,
>and so she is now expecting a little baby because someone raped
>her.  Should training centers even teach social skills and
>self-defense?  We do martial arts traiing, but that should be
>taught outside and earlier.  Because of this and because of other
>sorts of bullying cases I've seen on Skype, I'd like to do a study
>of social skills and actually share my experiences with the rest of
>the NFB members and nonmembers about what works and what doesn't.
>Thanks.
>Beth
>
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Wed Sep 28 18:30:03 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 11:30:03 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] review of social skills in training centers
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Please check thread dates before posting. This thread was written in August 2014, so a debate/discussion about this thread is unnecessary.


> On Sep 28, 2016, at 10:15, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good morning, Beth,
> 
> So narrow, so limiting, how can someone anticipate the warants of every single situation?
> CarAt 08:42 PM 8/14/2014, Beth Taurasi via nabs-l wrote:
>> Talking bad is a combination of things, in my opinion.  Bashing, use of bad language/words such as, dare I say it, the F word, the N word, etc., and talking rebeliously to people if you are under eighteen.  That's talking bad.
>> Beth
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>, National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 15:24:01 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] review of social skills in training centers
>> 
>> I may regret this but I feel the desire to ask: What does "talking
>> bad" entail? Using bad grammar? Sounding uneducated?
>> I worry that in these kinds of discussions we are conflating "social
>> skills" with value judgments about how educated or decent people
>> should behave. It is not really the place of a training center for
>> adults to make these kinds of value judgments.
>> 
>> Further, cigarette smoking, drinking and consensual sex are all legal,
>> allowable activities for adults to engage in. They can lead to harm
>> but only if they are not done responsibly. I don't think it is
>> appropriate for a training center for adults to deny students these
>> basic freedoms or try to babysit students, but they should do whatever
>> they can to ensure that such freedoms don't cause harm to others. From
>> what I've seen I think the NFB centers are pretty good at walking that
>> line. But there might be occasional times when a harm occurs or
>> something gets out of hand despite the center staff's efforts to
>> enforce rules of conduct. The same risk applies at a college or any
>> other place where adults freely reside. If that happens, I hope the
>> individuals involved discuss their concerns with the center and that
>> the center responds appropriately.
>> 
>> Arielle
>> 
>> On 8/14/14, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello Antonio and all,
>> 
>> Given the fact that we are currently discussing what is and is not
>> appropriate for this email list, I believe it would be best for us not to
>> discuss this topic on the email list. I can see this topic getting out of
>> hand rather easily as well as offending people easily by reporting
>> inaccurate myths and facts about rape and sexual assault. While I believe
>> it
>> is important for people to understand the real facts about rape and sexual
>> assault, I do not believe this discussion should take place on this email
>> list.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> Elizabeth
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Antonio
>> Guimaraes via nabs-l
>> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 11:28 AM
>> To: Carly Mihalakis; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] review of social skills in training centers
>> 
>> Carly,
>> 
>> I am not a woman, so the following comment may be taken with a grain of
>> salt.
>> 
>> I have not read any studies, but I do not believe most, let's say over 50
>> percent of women, are raped.
>> 
>> To say that most women are raped may be overstating the fact a bit.
>> 
>> You also say that in your opinion it is better that rape happens "within a
>> more or less controlled environment where some support is available."
>> 
>> Many cases of rape go unreported because the victim feels nothing will be
>> done, or that se will be retaliated against.
>> 
>> Rape happens in colleges and universities, which qualify as very controlled
>> environments, but most media accounts of rape cases at universities I hear
>> tell a story different from a place of support to rape victims.
>> 
>> There is no easy answer to treating rape epidemic.
>> 
>> However, I am not positive any organization, including a training center,
>> wants to acknowledge and address rape in a satisfactory way. That stuff is
>> often best left alone, and swept under the rug from the perspective of the
>> service provider, be it a training center, or a university.
>> 
>> I question whether any organization adequately supports rape victims for
>> these reasons.
>> 
>> As for rape victims, I believe it is important to find the appropriate
>> authorities and procedures to report these incidents.
>> 
>> Education about what is rape, and how to avoid it should also go a long way
>> to prevent it in the first place.
>> 
>> Antonio
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 13, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning, Don't forget, rape happens everywhere, to most women, at
>> camp, at college, at frat parties. And yes, at centers, too. And, it is my
>> opinion that it's better that it happens within a more or less controlled
>> environment where some support is available, than after leaving the center
>> where, one must fend for herself. And no, sharing general ideas,
>> particularly about matters considdered taboo, has a place. If information
>> someone appreciates, happening to come from a listserv such as this, helps
>> one person, it is fulfilling an envaluable function.
>> 
>> wrote:
>> I'm not exactly sure how to say this delicately, so please understand
>> that I'm not trying to be offensive here.
>> I find the statement that you made, that social skills must be taught
>> at centers because there is too much drama on Skype, to be wanting in
>> many ways.
>> First of all, I agree with what Arielle said. A class about social
>> skills could very easily backfire. I don't even think the model of
>> structured discovery would be able to rein in individual
>> personalities on this subject, nor should it. Each person, to an
>> extent, is free to behave how they see fit, as long as they're not
>> causing harm to others. I believe that forcing people to go through
>> training in social skills would quickly and effectively single out
>> those who were maybe more inept, and just lead to ridicule by the
>> other participants rather than actually helping them to see things
>> differently. Furthermore, no one wants to be told how to act. As long
>> as we know the basics, and I suspect that most of us do, we'll be fine
>> in
>> most settings.
>> Now, about the actual suggestion that social skills training will
>> eliminate drama on Skype, I'm sorry, but that is ridiculous. I would
>> suggest that, rather than focusing on browbeating people into making
>> changes that they might not even find to be necessary, you should
>> distance yourself from those who are giving you problems. It's just
>> skype, after all. Blocking an annoying or offensive person is
>> literally a click or keystroke away.
>> 
>> Finally, if someone did truly get raped at one of the NFB's training
>> centers, that is horrible and should be dealt with. But I think it's
>> in poor taste to bring it up on a public mailing list. Even though
>> you didn't mention the person's name, how do you think that person
>> would feel if she knew you had paraded her story around without asking
>> her?
>> Even if she did give you permission to talk about it, I still would
>> think that there are better venues for getting her story out there.
>> Starting with the center itself, obviously. But there's so much that
>> we don't know that any more speculation on my part would be
>> unnecessary.
>> I do agree, however, that it might be a good idea to add self-defense
>> training to the curriculum of NFB training centers. I believe that
>> too many blind people perceive themselves to be more defenseless than
>> their sighted counterparts. And, sadly, there are probably a lot of
>> criminals out there who would mug or attack a disabled person just
>> because they think that person is helpless. I also believe strongly
>> that learning how to defend oneself is a pretty good way to become
>> confident. If it were me, I'd feel that way. As someone who does
>> struggle with this very thing sometimes, the fact that I'm not only
>> blind, but female, and not very physically imposing, either, gets to
>> me sometimes. It makes me a little less confident in city
>> environments. Then again, this could also be because I was raised in
>> a rural area, so I have a natural wariness toward that kind of thing.
>> But I do think, either way, it has a place in a confidence-building
>> curriculum. Everyone feels better about themselves if they feel like
>> they know what to do in a situation where they're being victimized.
>> 
>> On 8/9/14, Beth Taurasi via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Dear RJ and all,
>> While I'm in agreement with the independent living skills portion
>> of training at the Center, I was STILL forced into a sighted group
>> of socially inept people who mostly do not discuss blindness.
>> It
>> is absolutely horrific that any voc rehab would do this and think
>> that my primary disability is NOT blindness, but mental illness
>> instead.  Well, that mental illness was caused because I was blind.
>> If I hadn't been blind, I would not have any problems because of
>> the society and the sighted world's view of blindness as a darker
>> form of living.  Social skills also must be taught because, if you
>> look at it this way, there is too much drama on Skype.  RJ is
>> right, but let's face this: social skills are not being taught
>> properly at any of the Centers.  I've heard of people at both CCB
>> and LCB not bathing, smoking, and doing things that are otherwise
>> not allowed.  I've heard numerous complaints from various people
>> that say that the Center students smell bad, look bad, talk badly,
>> and so on.  There was a girl who was unable to keep her body safe,
>> and so she is now expecting a little baby because someone raped
>> her.  Should training centers even teach social skills and
>> self-defense?  We do martial arts traiing, but that should be
>> taught outside and earlier.  Because of this and because of other
>> sorts of bullying cases I've seen on Skype, I'd like to do a study
>> of social skills and actually share my experiences with the rest of
>> the NFB members and nonmembers about what works and what doesn't.
>> Thanks.
>> Beth
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
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>> 
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From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 28 18:43:19 2016
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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:43:19 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] IMPORTANT: The #HowEyeSeeIt Campaign from Foundation
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Why I definitely see the point, I don't think that amping anything will
help. Just because somebody or an organization doesn't do what you want.
That doesn't mean the federation or anybody should shoot them down. The NFB
needs to gently guide bit forcefully impose viewpoints and ways of life
that they think are right.
Thanks,
Aaron

On Sep 28, 2016 12:35 PM, "Arielle Silverman via NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hi all,
> President Riccobono has reached out to the Foundation Fighting
> Blindness to have a conversation with their leadership. Several of us
> have also shared our views with them online regarding the campaign. As
> of this moment, they have shown no sign of suspending or modifying
> their campaign.
> It is important to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, but when we
> present them with evidence that their campaign could be harmful, and
> receive no response, the next step is to amplify our counter-response.
> I am sure most of you can relate to having someone try to give
> well-intended help that is harmful, by grabbing you on the street, for
> instance. This is one of those cases where good intentions have gone
> awry.
> Best, Arielle
>
> On 9/28/16, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Good morning, Kathryn,
> >
> >          We know all this, that is, we know how,dawning a blind fold
> > is usually a destructive practice, doesn't give anyone, particularly
> > Ol'Sighty,  an idea of actually living as a blind person, but we
> > don't need to attack like this, that is, unless you appreciate the
> > Federation being thought of as militant, angry.
> > Car /28/2016, Linson Productions via NABS-L wrote:
> >>I don't think posting a negative review will help anything. You may want
> >> to
> >>consider that the federation fighting blindness is helping those who
> don't
> >>understand and have never experienced before. What has the NFB done?
> >>
> >>On Sep 28, 2016 9:08 AM, "Arielle Silverman via NABS-L"
> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi all. You can also take action by going to the Foundation Fighting
> >> > Blindness's Facebook page and posting a negative review in the reviews
> >> > section. A number of our members, including President Riccobono, have
> >> > done this.
> >> > Best, Arielle
> >> >
> >> > On 9/28/16, Kathryn Webster, NABS President via NABS-L
> >> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> > > Dear NABS:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >                 On August 25, 2016, the Foundation Fighting
> Blindness
> >> > (FFB)
> >> > > created what they are calling the "Blind fold Challenge," under the
> >> > hashtag
> >> > > "#HowEyeSeeIt (eye as in E. Y. E.)  In this challenge, people are
> >> > > asked
> >> > to
> >> > > put on a blind fold for a minimal amount of time to preform a
> >> > > day-to-day
> >> > > task. In doing so, a person is supposedly made aware of what it is
> >> > > like
> >> > to
> >> > > be a blind person.
> >> > >
> >> > > It is the hopes of the Foundation Fighting Blindness that, because
> >> > > they
> >> > > recognize the struggles blind people face, they will donate money to
> >> > "cure
> >> > > blindness."
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >                 Our members of the National Federation of the Blind
> >> > > have
> >> > > spoken out against this campaign, and we have been silenced. In
> fact,
> >> > > we
> >> > > are
> >> > > not inherently opposed to medical research for blindness. What we
> >> > > find
> >> > > problematic is the inaccurate portrayal of blind people as helpless;
> >> > > or
> >> > > worse: blindness as something to fear. For example, one of the
> videos
> >> > > demonstrates "what it would be like if you lost your sight.what it
> is
> >> > like
> >> > > to no longer see your children." In an age where blind parents are
> >> > > systematically subjected to third-party custody or separation from
> >> > > their
> >> > > children, on the bases of their blindness, videos misconstruing
> blind
> >> > > parenting is offensive, dangerous, and frightening to us.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >                 We have explained, using scientific research, why
> >> > > blind
> >> > > fold
> >> > > simulation is harmful in societal interactions and practical
> >> > > application.
> >> > > We
> >> > > have fought back hard, by demonstrating what it is truly like to be
> >> > blind,
> >> > > independent, and capable. We have been marginally successful. The
> >> > > fight
> >> > > does
> >> > > not stop here. We must continue the fight to show that we can live
> >> > > the
> >> > life
> >> > > we want.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > There are three things we must keep in mind and take action:
> >> > >
> >> > > 1. Do not participate in the blindfold challenge: they are
> >> > > destructive
> >> > and
> >> > > dangerous to our work.
> >> > >
> >> > > 2. Do not donate to this campaign: we are not against medical
> >> > > research,
> >> > > even
> >> > > medical research conducted by the foundation. We are against this
> >> > campaign,
> >> > > though!
> >> > >
> >> > > 3. Educate people. Please post videos, pictures, and text. This will
> >> > > explain
> >> > > how you live the life you want. We know that blindness is not the
> >> > > characteristic that defines us, or what holds us back. We know, with
> >> > > alternative techniques and proper training, we can perform the same
> >> > > task
> >> > as
> >> > > an average person in an average setting.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > In pushing back, we must stay respectful. We must continue educating
> >> > > the
> >> > > public because it is the low expectations of blindness that create
> >> > > obstacles
> >> > > between us and our dreams.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > I believe in us, the students, to show our capabilities by pushing
> >> > > back
> >> > on
> >> > > the Blindfold Challenge. Let's join together, the national
> Federation
> >> > > of
> >> > > the
> >> > > Blind, the most powerful blindness organization in our nation.
> >> > >
> >> > > #HowEyeSeeIt
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Please let me know if you have any questions; and I can't wait to
> see
> >> > > all
> >> > > the posts our blind students have to share!
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Yours and the Movement,
> >> > >
> >> > > Kathryn Webster
> >> > >
> >> > > President | National Association of Blind Students
> >> > >
> >> > > (203) 273-8463
> >> > >
> >> > > Nabs.president at gmail.com <mailto:Nabs.president at gmail.com>
> >> > >
> >> > > Nfb.students.com
> >> > >
> >> > > @nabslink
> >> > >
> >> > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > NABS-L mailing list
> >> > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> >> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> >> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
> for
> >> > > NABS-L:
> >> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/
> >> > arielle71%40gmail.com
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > NABS-L mailing list
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> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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> >> > NABS-L:
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> >> > blindgeek1989%40gmail.com
> >> >
> >>_______________________________________________
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> >
> >
> >
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 28 18:46:36 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:46:36 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] IMPORTANT: The #HowEyeSeeIt Campaign from Foundation
 Fighting Blindness
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So, what do you propose we do?  Should we just allow it to continue without
saying anything?
What's your suggestion?
 Justin


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Linson
Productions via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 2:43 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Linson Productions <blindgeek1989 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IMPORTANT: The #HowEyeSeeIt Campaign from Foundation
Fighting Blindness

Why I definitely see the point, I don't think that amping anything will
help. Just because somebody or an organization doesn't do what you want.
That doesn't mean the federation or anybody should shoot them down. The NFB
needs to gently guide bit forcefully impose viewpoints and ways of life that
they think are right.
Thanks,
Aaron

On Sep 28, 2016 12:35 PM, "Arielle Silverman via NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hi all,
> President Riccobono has reached out to the Foundation Fighting 
> Blindness to have a conversation with their leadership. Several of us 
> have also shared our views with them online regarding the campaign. As 
> of this moment, they have shown no sign of suspending or modifying 
> their campaign.
> It is important to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, but when we 
> present them with evidence that their campaign could be harmful, and 
> receive no response, the next step is to amplify our counter-response.
> I am sure most of you can relate to having someone try to give 
> well-intended help that is harmful, by grabbing you on the street, for 
> instance. This is one of those cases where good intentions have gone 
> awry.
> Best, Arielle
>
> On 9/28/16, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Good morning, Kathryn,
> >
> >          We know all this, that is, we know how,dawning a blind fold 
> > is usually a destructive practice, doesn't give anyone, particularly 
> > Ol'Sighty,  an idea of actually living as a blind person, but we 
> > don't need to attack like this, that is, unless you appreciate the 
> > Federation being thought of as militant, angry.
> > Car /28/2016, Linson Productions via NABS-L wrote:
> >>I don't think posting a negative review will help anything. You may 
> >>want  to consider that the federation fighting blindness is helping 
> >>those who
> don't
> >>understand and have never experienced before. What has the NFB done?
> >>
> >>On Sep 28, 2016 9:08 AM, "Arielle Silverman via NABS-L"
> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi all. You can also take action by going to the Foundation 
> >> > Fighting Blindness's Facebook page and posting a negative review 
> >> > in the reviews section. A number of our members, including 
> >> > President Riccobono, have done this.
> >> > Best, Arielle
> >> >
> >> > On 9/28/16, Kathryn Webster, NABS President via NABS-L 
> >> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> > > Dear NABS:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >                 On August 25, 2016, the Foundation Fighting
> Blindness
> >> > (FFB)
> >> > > created what they are calling the "Blind fold Challenge," under 
> >> > > the
> >> > hashtag
> >> > > "#HowEyeSeeIt (eye as in E. Y. E.)  In this challenge, people 
> >> > > are asked
> >> > to
> >> > > put on a blind fold for a minimal amount of time to preform a 
> >> > > day-to-day task. In doing so, a person is supposedly made aware 
> >> > > of what it is like
> >> > to
> >> > > be a blind person.
> >> > >
> >> > > It is the hopes of the Foundation Fighting Blindness that, 
> >> > > because they recognize the struggles blind people face, they 
> >> > > will donate money to
> >> > "cure
> >> > > blindness."
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >                 Our members of the National Federation of the 
> >> > > Blind have spoken out against this campaign, and we have been 
> >> > > silenced. In
> fact,
> >> > > we
> >> > > are
> >> > > not inherently opposed to medical research for blindness. What 
> >> > > we find problematic is the inaccurate portrayal of blind people 
> >> > > as helpless; or
> >> > > worse: blindness as something to fear. For example, one of the
> videos
> >> > > demonstrates "what it would be like if you lost your sight.what 
> >> > > it
> is
> >> > like
> >> > > to no longer see your children." In an age where blind parents 
> >> > > are systematically subjected to third-party custody or 
> >> > > separation from their children, on the bases of their 
> >> > > blindness, videos misconstruing
> blind
> >> > > parenting is offensive, dangerous, and frightening to us.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >                 We have explained, using scientific research, 
> >> > > why blind fold simulation is harmful in societal interactions 
> >> > > and practical application.
> >> > > We
> >> > > have fought back hard, by demonstrating what it is truly like 
> >> > > to be
> >> > blind,
> >> > > independent, and capable. We have been marginally successful. 
> >> > > The fight does not stop here. We must continue the fight to 
> >> > > show that we can live the
> >> > life
> >> > > we want.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > There are three things we must keep in mind and take action:
> >> > >
> >> > > 1. Do not participate in the blindfold challenge: they are 
> >> > > destructive
> >> > and
> >> > > dangerous to our work.
> >> > >
> >> > > 2. Do not donate to this campaign: we are not against medical 
> >> > > research, even medical research conducted by the foundation. We 
> >> > > are against this
> >> > campaign,
> >> > > though!
> >> > >
> >> > > 3. Educate people. Please post videos, pictures, and text. This 
> >> > > will explain how you live the life you want. We know that 
> >> > > blindness is not the characteristic that defines us, or what 
> >> > > holds us back. We know, with alternative techniques and proper 
> >> > > training, we can perform the same task
> >> > as
> >> > > an average person in an average setting.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > In pushing back, we must stay respectful. We must continue 
> >> > > educating the public because it is the low expectations of 
> >> > > blindness that create obstacles between us and our dreams.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > I believe in us, the students, to show our capabilities by 
> >> > > pushing back
> >> > on
> >> > > the Blindfold Challenge. Let's join together, the national
> Federation
> >> > > of
> >> > > the
> >> > > Blind, the most powerful blindness organization in our nation.
> >> > >
> >> > > #HowEyeSeeIt
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Please let me know if you have any questions; and I can't wait 
> >> > > to
> see
> >> > > all
> >> > > the posts our blind students have to share!
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Yours and the Movement,
> >> > >
> >> > > Kathryn Webster
> >> > >
> >> > > President | National Association of Blind Students
> >> > >
> >> > > (203) 273-8463
> >> > >
> >> > > Nabs.president at gmail.com <mailto:Nabs.president at gmail.com>
> >> > >
> >> > > Nfb.students.com
> >> > >
> >> > > @nabslink
> >> > >
> >> > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > NABS-L mailing list
> >> > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> >> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> >> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account 
> >> > > info
> for
> >> > > NABS-L:
> >> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/
> >> > arielle71%40gmail.com
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
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> >> >
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From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Wed Sep 28 19:22:20 2016
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:22:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] IMPORTANT: The #HowEyeSeeIt Campaign from Foundation
 Fighting Blindness
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Message-ID: <SNT404-EAS386155EADB6B4BD7B2D7F7CBCCF0@phx.gbl>

Personally, I think we have been very gentle with them for a long time and
it really has not changed anything.  Someone wrote that they are trying to
teach people about blindness, but I don't think that's what they are doing
at all.  There motive is to scare people about blindness so they donate,
pure and simple.  Their goals and ours are very different.  It should be
possible to not work directly against one another, but we are likely not
going to work for the same things.  

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Linson
Productions via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 1:43 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Linson Productions <blindgeek1989 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IMPORTANT: The #HowEyeSeeIt Campaign from Foundation
Fighting Blindness

Why I definitely see the point, I don't think that amping anything will
help. Just because somebody or an organization doesn't do what you want.
That doesn't mean the federation or anybody should shoot them down. The NFB
needs to gently guide bit forcefully impose viewpoints and ways of life
that they think are right.
Thanks,
Aaron

On Sep 28, 2016 12:35 PM, "Arielle Silverman via NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hi all,
> President Riccobono has reached out to the Foundation Fighting
> Blindness to have a conversation with their leadership. Several of us
> have also shared our views with them online regarding the campaign. As
> of this moment, they have shown no sign of suspending or modifying
> their campaign.
> It is important to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, but when we
> present them with evidence that their campaign could be harmful, and
> receive no response, the next step is to amplify our counter-response.
> I am sure most of you can relate to having someone try to give
> well-intended help that is harmful, by grabbing you on the street, for
> instance. This is one of those cases where good intentions have gone
> awry.
> Best, Arielle
>
> On 9/28/16, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Good morning, Kathryn,
> >
> >          We know all this, that is, we know how,dawning a blind fold
> > is usually a destructive practice, doesn't give anyone, particularly
> > Ol'Sighty,  an idea of actually living as a blind person, but we
> > don't need to attack like this, that is, unless you appreciate the
> > Federation being thought of as militant, angry.
> > Car /28/2016, Linson Productions via NABS-L wrote:
> >>I don't think posting a negative review will help anything. You may want
> >> to
> >>consider that the federation fighting blindness is helping those who
> don't
> >>understand and have never experienced before. What has the NFB done?
> >>
> >>On Sep 28, 2016 9:08 AM, "Arielle Silverman via NABS-L"
> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi all. You can also take action by going to the Foundation Fighting
> >> > Blindness's Facebook page and posting a negative review in the
reviews
> >> > section. A number of our members, including President Riccobono, have
> >> > done this.
> >> > Best, Arielle
> >> >
> >> > On 9/28/16, Kathryn Webster, NABS President via NABS-L
> >> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> > > Dear NABS:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >                 On August 25, 2016, the Foundation Fighting
> Blindness
> >> > (FFB)
> >> > > created what they are calling the "Blind fold Challenge," under the
> >> > hashtag
> >> > > "#HowEyeSeeIt (eye as in E. Y. E.)  In this challenge, people are
> >> > > asked
> >> > to
> >> > > put on a blind fold for a minimal amount of time to preform a
> >> > > day-to-day
> >> > > task. In doing so, a person is supposedly made aware of what it is
> >> > > like
> >> > to
> >> > > be a blind person.
> >> > >
> >> > > It is the hopes of the Foundation Fighting Blindness that, because
> >> > > they
> >> > > recognize the struggles blind people face, they will donate money
to
> >> > "cure
> >> > > blindness."
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >                 Our members of the National Federation of the Blind
> >> > > have
> >> > > spoken out against this campaign, and we have been silenced. In
> fact,
> >> > > we
> >> > > are
> >> > > not inherently opposed to medical research for blindness. What we
> >> > > find
> >> > > problematic is the inaccurate portrayal of blind people as
helpless;
> >> > > or
> >> > > worse: blindness as something to fear. For example, one of the
> videos
> >> > > demonstrates "what it would be like if you lost your sight.what it
> is
> >> > like
> >> > > to no longer see your children." In an age where blind parents are
> >> > > systematically subjected to third-party custody or separation from
> >> > > their
> >> > > children, on the bases of their blindness, videos misconstruing
> blind
> >> > > parenting is offensive, dangerous, and frightening to us.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >                 We have explained, using scientific research, why
> >> > > blind
> >> > > fold
> >> > > simulation is harmful in societal interactions and practical
> >> > > application.
> >> > > We
> >> > > have fought back hard, by demonstrating what it is truly like to be
> >> > blind,
> >> > > independent, and capable. We have been marginally successful. The
> >> > > fight
> >> > > does
> >> > > not stop here. We must continue the fight to show that we can live
> >> > > the
> >> > life
> >> > > we want.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > There are three things we must keep in mind and take action:
> >> > >
> >> > > 1. Do not participate in the blindfold challenge: they are
> >> > > destructive
> >> > and
> >> > > dangerous to our work.
> >> > >
> >> > > 2. Do not donate to this campaign: we are not against medical
> >> > > research,
> >> > > even
> >> > > medical research conducted by the foundation. We are against this
> >> > campaign,
> >> > > though!
> >> > >
> >> > > 3. Educate people. Please post videos, pictures, and text. This
will
> >> > > explain
> >> > > how you live the life you want. We know that blindness is not the
> >> > > characteristic that defines us, or what holds us back. We know,
with
> >> > > alternative techniques and proper training, we can perform the same
> >> > > task
> >> > as
> >> > > an average person in an average setting.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > In pushing back, we must stay respectful. We must continue
educating
> >> > > the
> >> > > public because it is the low expectations of blindness that create
> >> > > obstacles
> >> > > between us and our dreams.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > I believe in us, the students, to show our capabilities by pushing
> >> > > back
> >> > on
> >> > > the Blindfold Challenge. Let's join together, the national
> Federation
> >> > > of
> >> > > the
> >> > > Blind, the most powerful blindness organization in our nation.
> >> > >
> >> > > #HowEyeSeeIt
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Please let me know if you have any questions; and I can't wait to
> see
> >> > > all
> >> > > the posts our blind students have to share!
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Yours and the Movement,
> >> > >
> >> > > Kathryn Webster
> >> > >
> >> > > President | National Association of Blind Students
> >> > >
> >> > > (203) 273-8463
> >> > >
> >> > > Nabs.president at gmail.com <mailto:Nabs.president at gmail.com>
> >> > >
> >> > > Nfb.students.com
> >> > >
> >> > > @nabslink
> >> > >
> >> > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > NABS-L mailing list
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From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 28 20:12:43 2016
From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Linson Productions)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 16:12:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] IMPORTANT: The #HowEyeSeeIt Campaign from Foundation
 Fighting Blindness
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Kindness before harshness and getting mad. Shoving angry reviews and
comments will not help anything at all.

On Sep 28, 2016 3:23 PM, "Steve Jacobson via NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Personally, I think we have been very gentle with them for a long time and
> it really has not changed anything.  Someone wrote that they are trying to
> teach people about blindness, but I don't think that's what they are doing
> at all.  There motive is to scare people about blindness so they donate,
> pure and simple.  Their goals and ours are very different.  It should be
> possible to not work directly against one another, but we are likely not
> going to work for the same things.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Linson
> Productions via NABS-L
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 1:43 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >
> Cc: Linson Productions <blindgeek1989 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IMPORTANT: The #HowEyeSeeIt Campaign from Foundation
> Fighting Blindness
>
> Why I definitely see the point, I don't think that amping anything will
> help. Just because somebody or an organization doesn't do what you want.
> That doesn't mean the federation or anybody should shoot them down. The NFB
> needs to gently guide bit forcefully impose viewpoints and ways of life
> that they think are right.
> Thanks,
> Aaron
>
> On Sep 28, 2016 12:35 PM, "Arielle Silverman via NABS-L" <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> > President Riccobono has reached out to the Foundation Fighting
> > Blindness to have a conversation with their leadership. Several of us
> > have also shared our views with them online regarding the campaign. As
> > of this moment, they have shown no sign of suspending or modifying
> > their campaign.
> > It is important to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, but when we
> > present them with evidence that their campaign could be harmful, and
> > receive no response, the next step is to amplify our counter-response.
> > I am sure most of you can relate to having someone try to give
> > well-intended help that is harmful, by grabbing you on the street, for
> > instance. This is one of those cases where good intentions have gone
> > awry.
> > Best, Arielle
> >
> > On 9/28/16, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > > Good morning, Kathryn,
> > >
> > >          We know all this, that is, we know how,dawning a blind fold
> > > is usually a destructive practice, doesn't give anyone, particularly
> > > Ol'Sighty,  an idea of actually living as a blind person, but we
> > > don't need to attack like this, that is, unless you appreciate the
> > > Federation being thought of as militant, angry.
> > > Car /28/2016, Linson Productions via NABS-L wrote:
> > >>I don't think posting a negative review will help anything. You may
> want
> > >> to
> > >>consider that the federation fighting blindness is helping those who
> > don't
> > >>understand and have never experienced before. What has the NFB done?
> > >>
> > >>On Sep 28, 2016 9:08 AM, "Arielle Silverman via NABS-L"
> > >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > >>wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Hi all. You can also take action by going to the Foundation Fighting
> > >> > Blindness's Facebook page and posting a negative review in the
> reviews
> > >> > section. A number of our members, including President Riccobono,
> have
> > >> > done this.
> > >> > Best, Arielle
> > >> >
> > >> > On 9/28/16, Kathryn Webster, NABS President via NABS-L
> > >> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >> > > Dear NABS:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >                 On August 25, 2016, the Foundation Fighting
> > Blindness
> > >> > (FFB)
> > >> > > created what they are calling the "Blind fold Challenge," under
> the
> > >> > hashtag
> > >> > > "#HowEyeSeeIt (eye as in E. Y. E.)  In this challenge, people are
> > >> > > asked
> > >> > to
> > >> > > put on a blind fold for a minimal amount of time to preform a
> > >> > > day-to-day
> > >> > > task. In doing so, a person is supposedly made aware of what it is
> > >> > > like
> > >> > to
> > >> > > be a blind person.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > It is the hopes of the Foundation Fighting Blindness that, because
> > >> > > they
> > >> > > recognize the struggles blind people face, they will donate money
> to
> > >> > "cure
> > >> > > blindness."
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >                 Our members of the National Federation of the
> Blind
> > >> > > have
> > >> > > spoken out against this campaign, and we have been silenced. In
> > fact,
> > >> > > we
> > >> > > are
> > >> > > not inherently opposed to medical research for blindness. What we
> > >> > > find
> > >> > > problematic is the inaccurate portrayal of blind people as
> helpless;
> > >> > > or
> > >> > > worse: blindness as something to fear. For example, one of the
> > videos
> > >> > > demonstrates "what it would be like if you lost your sight.what it
> > is
> > >> > like
> > >> > > to no longer see your children." In an age where blind parents are
> > >> > > systematically subjected to third-party custody or separation from
> > >> > > their
> > >> > > children, on the bases of their blindness, videos misconstruing
> > blind
> > >> > > parenting is offensive, dangerous, and frightening to us.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >                 We have explained, using scientific research, why
> > >> > > blind
> > >> > > fold
> > >> > > simulation is harmful in societal interactions and practical
> > >> > > application.
> > >> > > We
> > >> > > have fought back hard, by demonstrating what it is truly like to
> be
> > >> > blind,
> > >> > > independent, and capable. We have been marginally successful. The
> > >> > > fight
> > >> > > does
> > >> > > not stop here. We must continue the fight to show that we can live
> > >> > > the
> > >> > life
> > >> > > we want.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > There are three things we must keep in mind and take action:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 1. Do not participate in the blindfold challenge: they are
> > >> > > destructive
> > >> > and
> > >> > > dangerous to our work.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 2. Do not donate to this campaign: we are not against medical
> > >> > > research,
> > >> > > even
> > >> > > medical research conducted by the foundation. We are against this
> > >> > campaign,
> > >> > > though!
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 3. Educate people. Please post videos, pictures, and text. This
> will
> > >> > > explain
> > >> > > how you live the life you want. We know that blindness is not the
> > >> > > characteristic that defines us, or what holds us back. We know,
> with
> > >> > > alternative techniques and proper training, we can perform the
> same
> > >> > > task
> > >> > as
> > >> > > an average person in an average setting.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > In pushing back, we must stay respectful. We must continue
> educating
> > >> > > the
> > >> > > public because it is the low expectations of blindness that create
> > >> > > obstacles
> > >> > > between us and our dreams.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I believe in us, the students, to show our capabilities by pushing
> > >> > > back
> > >> > on
> > >> > > the Blindfold Challenge. Let's join together, the national
> > Federation
> > >> > > of
> > >> > > the
> > >> > > Blind, the most powerful blindness organization in our nation.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > #HowEyeSeeIt
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Please let me know if you have any questions; and I can't wait to
> > see
> > >> > > all
> > >> > > the posts our blind students have to share!
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Yours and the Movement,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Kathryn Webster
> > >> > >
> > >> > > President | National Association of Blind Students
> > >> > >
> > >> > > (203) 273-8463
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Nabs.president at gmail.com <mailto:Nabs.president at gmail.com>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Nfb.students.com
> > >> > >
> > >> > > @nabslink
> > >> > >
> > >> > > _______________________________________________
> > >> > > NABS-L mailing list
> > >> > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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> > for
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> > >> > arielle71%40gmail.com
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >> > _______________________________________________
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Wed Sep 28 20:39:10 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 13:39:10 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] IMPORTANT: The #HowEyeSeeIt Campaign from Foundation
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Afternoon, , aron,

I hear people have been critisizing my answering long dead threads 
and this is probably such a thread. Sorry, people, I don't look at 
the date, it doesn't matter enough to me, when a thought happened. 
Doen't change the content of the thought so I rarely hunt it down.
As for the Federation trying to hall everybody back to class just to 
be able to live alongside blind people, I prefer more of an 
empeerical exposure, presenting Ol'Sighty with what we can and often 
are already doing to live our lives. That's all. Nothing else really matters.
CarFoundation Fighting
> > Blindness to have a conversation with their leadership. Several of us
> > have also shared our views with them online regarding the campaign. As
> > of this moment, they have shown no sign of suspending or modifying
> > their campaign.
> > It is important to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, but when we
> > present them with evidence that their campaign could be harmful, and
> > receive no response, the next step is to amplify our counter-response.
> > I am sure most of you can relate to having someone try to give
> > well-intended help that is harmful, by grabbing you on the street, for
> > instance. This is one of those cases where good intentions have gone
> > awry.
> > Best, Arielle
> >
> > On 9/28/16, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > > Good morning, Kathryn,
> > >
> > >          We know all this, that is, we know how,dawning a blind fold
> > > is usually a destructive practice, doesn't give anyone, particularly
> > > Ol'Sighty,  an idea of actually living as a blind person, but we
> > > don't need to attack like this, that is, unless you appreciate the
> > > Federation being thought of as militant, angry.
> > > Car /28/2016, Linson Productions via NABS-L wrote:
> > >>I don't think posting a negative review will help anything. You may want
> > >> to
> > >>consider that the federation fighting blindness is helping those who
> > don't
> > >>understand and have never experienced before. What has the NFB done?
> > >>
> > >>On Sep 28, 2016 9:08 AM, "Arielle Silverman via NABS-L"
> > >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > >>wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Hi all. You can also take action by going to the Foundation Fighting
> > >> > Blindness's Facebook page and posting a negative review in the reviews
> > >> > section. A number of our members, including President Riccobono, have
> > >> > done this.
> > >> > Best, Arielle
> > >> >
> > >> > On 9/28/16, Kathryn Webster, NABS President via NABS-L
> > >> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >> > > Dear NABS:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >                 On August 25, 2016, the Foundation Fighting
> > Blindness
> > >> > (FFB)
> > >> > > created what they are calling the "Blind fold Challenge," under the
> > >> > hashtag
> > >> > > "#HowEyeSeeIt (eye as in E. Y. E.)  In this challenge, people are
> > >> > > asked
> > >> > to
> > >> > > put on a blind fold for a minimal amount of time to preform a
> > >> > > day-to-day
> > >> > > task. In doing so, a person is supposedly made aware of what it is
> > >> > > like
> > >> > to
> > >> > > be a blind person.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > It is the hopes of the Foundation Fighting Blindness that, because
> > >> > > they
> > >> > > recognize the struggles blind people face, they will donate money to
> > >> > "cure
> > >> > > blindness."
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >                 Our members of the National Federation of the Blind
> > >> > > have
> > >> > > spoken out against this campaign, and we have been silenced. In
> > fact,
> > >> > > we
> > >> > > are
> > >> > > not inherently opposed to medical research for blindness. What we
> > >> > > find
> > >> > > problematic is the inaccurate portrayal of blind people as helpless;
> > >> > > or
> > >> > > worse: blindness as something to fear. For example, one of the
> > videos
> > >> > > demonstrates "what it would be like if you lost your sight.what it
> > is
> > >> > like
> > >> > > to no longer see your children." In an age where blind parents are
> > >> > > systematically subjected to third-party custody or separation from
> > >> > > their
> > >> > > children, on the bases of their blindness, videos misconstruing
> > blind
> > >> > > parenting is offensive, dangerous, and frightening to us.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >                 We have explained, using scientific research, why
> > >> > > blind
> > >> > > fold
> > >> > > simulation is harmful in societal interactions and practical
> > >> > > application.
> > >> > > We
> > >> > > have fought back hard, by demonstrating what it is truly like to be
> > >> > blind,
> > >> > > independent, and capable. We have been marginally successful. The
> > >> > > fight
> > >> > > does
> > >> > > not stop here. We must continue the fight to show that we can live
> > >> > > the
> > >> > life
> > >> > > we want.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > There are three things we must keep in mind and take action:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 1. Do not participate in the blindfold challenge: they are
> > >> > > destructive
> > >> > and
> > >> > > dangerous to our work.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 2. Do not donate to this campaign: we are not against medical
> > >> > > research,
> > >> > > even
> > >> > > medical research conducted by the foundation. We are against this
> > >> > campaign,
> > >> > > though!
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 3. Educate people. Please post videos, pictures, and text. This will
> > >> > > explain
> > >> > > how you live the life you want. We know that blindness is not the
> > >> > > characteristic that defines us, or what holds us back. We know, with
> > >> > > alternative techniques and proper training, we can perform the same
> > >> > > task
> > >> > as
> > >> > > an average person in an average setting.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > In pushing back, we must stay respectful. We must continue educating
> > >> > > the
> > >> > > public because it is the low expectations of blindness that create
> > >> > > obstacles
> > >> > > between us and our dreams.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I believe in us, the students, to show our capabilities by pushing
> > >> > > back
> > >> > on
> > >> > > the Blindfold Challenge. Let's join together, the national
> > Federation
> > >> > > of
> > >> > > the
> > >> > > Blind, the most powerful blindness organization in our nation.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > #HowEyeSeeIt
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Please let me know if you have any questions; and I can't wait to
> > see
> > >> > > all
> > >> > > the posts our blind students have to share!
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Yours and the Movement,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Kathryn Webster
> > >> > >
> > >> > > President | National Association of Blind Students
> > >> > >
> > >> > > (203) 273-8463
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Nabs.president at gmail.com <mailto:Nabs.president at gmail.com>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Nfb.students.com
> > >> > >
> > >> > > @nabslink
> > >> > >
> > >> > > _______________________________________________
> > >> > > NABS-L mailing list
> > >> > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> > >> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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> > >> > >
> > >> >
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From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Wed Sep 28 20:39:04 2016
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 15:39:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] IMPORTANT: The #HowEyeSeeIt Campaign from Foundation
 Fighting Blindness
In-Reply-To: <CADuVAt7k3Hr2+kgLSk3ROnUqKqGMbyNrFJTneAsDieDVvudHuA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <014601d21980$b8de9970$2a9bcc50$@gmail.com>	<CALAYQJC96QUzbBfh9yjo0=81LiScTechASNjzVBa4=9fkL42Ug@mail.gmail.com>	<CADuVAt5JctO9e6bD-_3mO=o_PzmQ=Av9VJrny81e_yADf4ckoA@mail.gmail.com>	<57ebed9d.43b3c20a.5fb24.0376SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>	<CALAYQJDKQ09yJCsSwpPhcLtx9HmszzmmP7SECh2bPxScDna_zA@mail.gmail.com>	<CADuVAt5+D79MfN_KHNTFnTHn_aZQmP88QJVTPAKg+73-f7wjdw@mail.gmail.com>	<SNT404-EAS386155EADB6B4BD7B2D7F7CBCCF0@phx.gbl>
	<CADuVAt7k3Hr2+kgLSk3ROnUqKqGMbyNrFJTneAsDieDVvudHuA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT404-EAS2738E1D2B6A64632772D255BCCF0@phx.gbl>

Aaron,

I do not advocate harsh or angry responses, but I also think the scope of
their campaign is too large for us to be silent.  Too many of us have worked
too hard and too long to try to educate society on the fact that blindness
can be dealt with to let their approach go unchallenged.  I think there is a
distinction between "harsh and angry" and negative.  Are you saying there is
no room for expressing a negative viewpoint?

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Linson
Productions via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 3:13 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Linson Productions <blindgeek1989 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IMPORTANT: The #HowEyeSeeIt Campaign from Foundation
Fighting Blindness

Kindness before harshness and getting mad. Shoving angry reviews and
comments will not help anything at all.

On Sep 28, 2016 3:23 PM, "Steve Jacobson via NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Personally, I think we have been very gentle with them for a long time and
> it really has not changed anything.  Someone wrote that they are trying to
> teach people about blindness, but I don't think that's what they are doing
> at all.  There motive is to scare people about blindness so they donate,
> pure and simple.  Their goals and ours are very different.  It should be
> possible to not work directly against one another, but we are likely not
> going to work for the same things.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Linson
> Productions via NABS-L
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 1:43 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >
> Cc: Linson Productions <blindgeek1989 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IMPORTANT: The #HowEyeSeeIt Campaign from Foundation
> Fighting Blindness
>
> Why I definitely see the point, I don't think that amping anything will
> help. Just because somebody or an organization doesn't do what you want.
> That doesn't mean the federation or anybody should shoot them down. The
NFB
> needs to gently guide bit forcefully impose viewpoints and ways of life
> that they think are right.
> Thanks,
> Aaron
>
> On Sep 28, 2016 12:35 PM, "Arielle Silverman via NABS-L" <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> > President Riccobono has reached out to the Foundation Fighting
> > Blindness to have a conversation with their leadership. Several of us
> > have also shared our views with them online regarding the campaign. As
> > of this moment, they have shown no sign of suspending or modifying
> > their campaign.
> > It is important to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, but when we
> > present them with evidence that their campaign could be harmful, and
> > receive no response, the next step is to amplify our counter-response.
> > I am sure most of you can relate to having someone try to give
> > well-intended help that is harmful, by grabbing you on the street, for
> > instance. This is one of those cases where good intentions have gone
> > awry.
> > Best, Arielle
> >
> > On 9/28/16, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > > Good morning, Kathryn,
> > >
> > >          We know all this, that is, we know how,dawning a blind fold
> > > is usually a destructive practice, doesn't give anyone, particularly
> > > Ol'Sighty,  an idea of actually living as a blind person, but we
> > > don't need to attack like this, that is, unless you appreciate the
> > > Federation being thought of as militant, angry.
> > > Car /28/2016, Linson Productions via NABS-L wrote:
> > >>I don't think posting a negative review will help anything. You may
> want
> > >> to
> > >>consider that the federation fighting blindness is helping those who
> > don't
> > >>understand and have never experienced before. What has the NFB done?
> > >>
> > >>On Sep 28, 2016 9:08 AM, "Arielle Silverman via NABS-L"
> > >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > >>wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Hi all. You can also take action by going to the Foundation
Fighting
> > >> > Blindness's Facebook page and posting a negative review in the
> reviews
> > >> > section. A number of our members, including President Riccobono,
> have
> > >> > done this.
> > >> > Best, Arielle
> > >> >
> > >> > On 9/28/16, Kathryn Webster, NABS President via NABS-L
> > >> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >> > > Dear NABS:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >                 On August 25, 2016, the Foundation Fighting
> > Blindness
> > >> > (FFB)
> > >> > > created what they are calling the "Blind fold Challenge," under
> the
> > >> > hashtag
> > >> > > "#HowEyeSeeIt (eye as in E. Y. E.)  In this challenge, people are
> > >> > > asked
> > >> > to
> > >> > > put on a blind fold for a minimal amount of time to preform a
> > >> > > day-to-day
> > >> > > task. In doing so, a person is supposedly made aware of what it
is
> > >> > > like
> > >> > to
> > >> > > be a blind person.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > It is the hopes of the Foundation Fighting Blindness that,
because
> > >> > > they
> > >> > > recognize the struggles blind people face, they will donate money
> to
> > >> > "cure
> > >> > > blindness."
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >                 Our members of the National Federation of the
> Blind
> > >> > > have
> > >> > > spoken out against this campaign, and we have been silenced. In
> > fact,
> > >> > > we
> > >> > > are
> > >> > > not inherently opposed to medical research for blindness. What we
> > >> > > find
> > >> > > problematic is the inaccurate portrayal of blind people as
> helpless;
> > >> > > or
> > >> > > worse: blindness as something to fear. For example, one of the
> > videos
> > >> > > demonstrates "what it would be like if you lost your sight.what
it
> > is
> > >> > like
> > >> > > to no longer see your children." In an age where blind parents
are
> > >> > > systematically subjected to third-party custody or separation
from
> > >> > > their
> > >> > > children, on the bases of their blindness, videos misconstruing
> > blind
> > >> > > parenting is offensive, dangerous, and frightening to us.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >                 We have explained, using scientific research, why
> > >> > > blind
> > >> > > fold
> > >> > > simulation is harmful in societal interactions and practical
> > >> > > application.
> > >> > > We
> > >> > > have fought back hard, by demonstrating what it is truly like to
> be
> > >> > blind,
> > >> > > independent, and capable. We have been marginally successful. The
> > >> > > fight
> > >> > > does
> > >> > > not stop here. We must continue the fight to show that we can
live
> > >> > > the
> > >> > life
> > >> > > we want.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > There are three things we must keep in mind and take action:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 1. Do not participate in the blindfold challenge: they are
> > >> > > destructive
> > >> > and
> > >> > > dangerous to our work.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 2. Do not donate to this campaign: we are not against medical
> > >> > > research,
> > >> > > even
> > >> > > medical research conducted by the foundation. We are against this
> > >> > campaign,
> > >> > > though!
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 3. Educate people. Please post videos, pictures, and text. This
> will
> > >> > > explain
> > >> > > how you live the life you want. We know that blindness is not the
> > >> > > characteristic that defines us, or what holds us back. We know,
> with
> > >> > > alternative techniques and proper training, we can perform the
> same
> > >> > > task
> > >> > as
> > >> > > an average person in an average setting.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > In pushing back, we must stay respectful. We must continue
> educating
> > >> > > the
> > >> > > public because it is the low expectations of blindness that
create
> > >> > > obstacles
> > >> > > between us and our dreams.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I believe in us, the students, to show our capabilities by
pushing
> > >> > > back
> > >> > on
> > >> > > the Blindfold Challenge. Let's join together, the national
> > Federation
> > >> > > of
> > >> > > the
> > >> > > Blind, the most powerful blindness organization in our nation.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > #HowEyeSeeIt
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Please let me know if you have any questions; and I can't wait to
> > see
> > >> > > all
> > >> > > the posts our blind students have to share!
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Yours and the Movement,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Kathryn Webster
> > >> > >
> > >> > > President | National Association of Blind Students
> > >> > >
> > >> > > (203) 273-8463
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Nabs.president at gmail.com <mailto:Nabs.president at gmail.com>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Nfb.students.com
> > >> > >
> > >> > > @nabslink
> > >> > >
> > >> > > _______________________________________________
> > >> > > NABS-L mailing list
> > >> > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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> > >> > arielle71%40gmail.com
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >> > _______________________________________________
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> > >> >
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 28 20:51:33 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 16:51:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] IMPORTANT: The #HowEyeSeeIt Campaign from Foundation
 Fighting Blindness
In-Reply-To: <SNT404-EAS2738E1D2B6A64632772D255BCCF0@phx.gbl>
References: <014601d21980$b8de9970$2a9bcc50$@gmail.com>	<CALAYQJC96QUzbBfh9yjo0=81LiScTechASNjzVBa4=9fkL42Ug@mail.gmail.com>	<CADuVAt5JctO9e6bD-_3mO=o_PzmQ=Av9VJrny81e_yADf4ckoA@mail.gmail.com>	<57ebed9d.43b3c20a.5fb24.0376SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>	<CALAYQJDKQ09yJCsSwpPhcLtx9HmszzmmP7SECh2bPxScDna_zA@mail.gmail.com>	<CADuVAt5+D79MfN_KHNTFnTHn_aZQmP88QJVTPAKg+73-f7wjdw@mail.gmail.com>	<SNT404-EAS386155EADB6B4BD7B2D7F7CBCCF0@phx.gbl>	<CADuVAt7k3Hr2+kgLSk3ROnUqKqGMbyNrFJTneAsDieDVvudHuA@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT404-EAS2738E1D2B6A64632772D255BCCF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <04b001d219ca$1931d4b0$4b957e10$@gmail.com>

Yeah, I thought we were gentle at first.  It would appear that we have gone
beyond that only because their group is defaming our character as a whole.
It may actually impede our ability to get jobs, find opportunities, and
advance.
 
 Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 4:39 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IMPORTANT: The #HowEyeSeeIt Campaign from Foundation
Fighting Blindness

Aaron,

I do not advocate harsh or angry responses, but I also think the scope of
their campaign is too large for us to be silent.  Too many of us have worked
too hard and too long to try to educate society on the fact that blindness
can be dealt with to let their approach go unchallenged.  I think there is a
distinction between "harsh and angry" and negative.  Are you saying there is
no room for expressing a negative viewpoint?

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Linson
Productions via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 3:13 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Linson Productions <blindgeek1989 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IMPORTANT: The #HowEyeSeeIt Campaign from Foundation
Fighting Blindness

Kindness before harshness and getting mad. Shoving angry reviews and
comments will not help anything at all.

On Sep 28, 2016 3:23 PM, "Steve Jacobson via NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Personally, I think we have been very gentle with them for a long time 
> and it really has not changed anything.  Someone wrote that they are 
> trying to teach people about blindness, but I don't think that's what 
> they are doing at all.  There motive is to scare people about 
> blindness so they donate, pure and simple.  Their goals and ours are 
> very different.  It should be possible to not work directly against 
> one another, but we are likely not going to work for the same things.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Linson 
> Productions via NABS-L
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 1:43 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >
> Cc: Linson Productions <blindgeek1989 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IMPORTANT: The #HowEyeSeeIt Campaign from 
> Foundation Fighting Blindness
>
> Why I definitely see the point, I don't think that amping anything 
> will help. Just because somebody or an organization doesn't do what you
want.
> That doesn't mean the federation or anybody should shoot them down. 
> The
NFB
> needs to gently guide bit forcefully impose viewpoints and ways of 
> life that they think are right.
> Thanks,
> Aaron
>
> On Sep 28, 2016 12:35 PM, "Arielle Silverman via NABS-L" < 
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> > President Riccobono has reached out to the Foundation Fighting 
> > Blindness to have a conversation with their leadership. Several of 
> > us have also shared our views with them online regarding the 
> > campaign. As of this moment, they have shown no sign of suspending 
> > or modifying their campaign.
> > It is important to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, but when 
> > we present them with evidence that their campaign could be harmful, 
> > and receive no response, the next step is to amplify our
counter-response.
> > I am sure most of you can relate to having someone try to give 
> > well-intended help that is harmful, by grabbing you on the street, 
> > for instance. This is one of those cases where good intentions have 
> > gone awry.
> > Best, Arielle
> >
> > On 9/28/16, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > > Good morning, Kathryn,
> > >
> > >          We know all this, that is, we know how,dawning a blind 
> > > fold is usually a destructive practice, doesn't give anyone, 
> > > particularly Ol'Sighty,  an idea of actually living as a blind 
> > > person, but we don't need to attack like this, that is, unless you 
> > > appreciate the Federation being thought of as militant, angry.
> > > Car /28/2016, Linson Productions via NABS-L wrote:
> > >>I don't think posting a negative review will help anything. You 
> > >>may
> want
> > >> to
> > >>consider that the federation fighting blindness is helping those 
> > >>who
> > don't
> > >>understand and have never experienced before. What has the NFB done?
> > >>
> > >>On Sep 28, 2016 9:08 AM, "Arielle Silverman via NABS-L"
> > >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > >>wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Hi all. You can also take action by going to the Foundation
Fighting
> > >> > Blindness's Facebook page and posting a negative review in the
> reviews
> > >> > section. A number of our members, including President 
> > >> > Riccobono,
> have
> > >> > done this.
> > >> > Best, Arielle
> > >> >
> > >> > On 9/28/16, Kathryn Webster, NABS President via NABS-L 
> > >> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >> > > Dear NABS:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >                 On August 25, 2016, the Foundation Fighting
> > Blindness
> > >> > (FFB)
> > >> > > created what they are calling the "Blind fold Challenge," 
> > >> > > under
> the
> > >> > hashtag
> > >> > > "#HowEyeSeeIt (eye as in E. Y. E.)  In this challenge, people 
> > >> > > are asked
> > >> > to
> > >> > > put on a blind fold for a minimal amount of time to preform a 
> > >> > > day-to-day task. In doing so, a person is supposedly made 
> > >> > > aware of what it
is
> > >> > > like
> > >> > to
> > >> > > be a blind person.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > It is the hopes of the Foundation Fighting Blindness that,
because
> > >> > > they
> > >> > > recognize the struggles blind people face, they will donate 
> > >> > > money
> to
> > >> > "cure
> > >> > > blindness."
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >                 Our members of the National Federation of the
> Blind
> > >> > > have
> > >> > > spoken out against this campaign, and we have been silenced. 
> > >> > > In
> > fact,
> > >> > > we
> > >> > > are
> > >> > > not inherently opposed to medical research for blindness. 
> > >> > > What we find problematic is the inaccurate portrayal of blind 
> > >> > > people as
> helpless;
> > >> > > or
> > >> > > worse: blindness as something to fear. For example, one of 
> > >> > > the
> > videos
> > >> > > demonstrates "what it would be like if you lost your 
> > >> > > sight.what
it
> > is
> > >> > like
> > >> > > to no longer see your children." In an age where blind 
> > >> > > parents
are
> > >> > > systematically subjected to third-party custody or separation
from
> > >> > > their
> > >> > > children, on the bases of their blindness, videos 
> > >> > > misconstruing
> > blind
> > >> > > parenting is offensive, dangerous, and frightening to us.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >                 We have explained, using scientific research, 
> > >> > > why blind fold simulation is harmful in societal interactions 
> > >> > > and practical application.
> > >> > > We
> > >> > > have fought back hard, by demonstrating what it is truly like 
> > >> > > to
> be
> > >> > blind,
> > >> > > independent, and capable. We have been marginally successful. 
> > >> > > The fight does not stop here. We must continue the fight to 
> > >> > > show that we can
live
> > >> > > the
> > >> > life
> > >> > > we want.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > There are three things we must keep in mind and take action:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 1. Do not participate in the blindfold challenge: they are 
> > >> > > destructive
> > >> > and
> > >> > > dangerous to our work.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 2. Do not donate to this campaign: we are not against medical 
> > >> > > research, even medical research conducted by the foundation. 
> > >> > > We are against this
> > >> > campaign,
> > >> > > though!
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 3. Educate people. Please post videos, pictures, and text. 
> > >> > > This
> will
> > >> > > explain
> > >> > > how you live the life you want. We know that blindness is not 
> > >> > > the characteristic that defines us, or what holds us back. We 
> > >> > > know,
> with
> > >> > > alternative techniques and proper training, we can perform 
> > >> > > the
> same
> > >> > > task
> > >> > as
> > >> > > an average person in an average setting.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > In pushing back, we must stay respectful. We must continue
> educating
> > >> > > the
> > >> > > public because it is the low expectations of blindness that
create
> > >> > > obstacles
> > >> > > between us and our dreams.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I believe in us, the students, to show our capabilities by
pushing
> > >> > > back
> > >> > on
> > >> > > the Blindfold Challenge. Let's join together, the national
> > Federation
> > >> > > of
> > >> > > the
> > >> > > Blind, the most powerful blindness organization in our nation.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > #HowEyeSeeIt
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Please let me know if you have any questions; and I can't 
> > >> > > wait to
> > see
> > >> > > all
> > >> > > the posts our blind students have to share!
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Yours and the Movement,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Kathryn Webster
> > >> > >
> > >> > > President | National Association of Blind Students
> > >> > >
> > >> > > (203) 273-8463
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Nabs.president at gmail.com <mailto:Nabs.president at gmail.com>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Nfb.students.com
> > >> > >
> > >> > > @nabslink
> > >> > >
> > >> > > _______________________________________________
> > >> > > NABS-L mailing list
> > >> > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> > >> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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> > >> > arielle71%40gmail.com
> > >> > >
> > >> >
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Wed Sep 28 21:39:45 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:39:45 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] IMPORTANT: The #HowEyeSeeIt Campaign from Foundation
 Fighting Blindness
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While I respect all of yours and President Riccobono's desire to abolish the blindfold challenge, I still don't quite understand how getting involved is going to be beneficial.
The  way I see it,  we as an organization also do not agree with the ACB. I'm sure that we would want to try to change ACB peoples views, but we seem to have come to understand that, while we do not agree with them, they are there, and still respect these with an ACB lifestyle.  Similarly, there are training centers all over the country with very low expectations, but we don't really try to implement the NFB model on all of them. Some training centers do come forward and wish to subscribe to the NFB model, such as SAVI of Arizona while I was an LCB student, but had they not wanted to, we never would have tried to implement their way of thinking on them.
Vejas 

> On Sep 28, 2016, at 05:06, Kathryn Webster, NABS President via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear NABS:
> 
> 
> 
>                On August 25, 2016, the Foundation Fighting Blindness (FFB)
> created what they are calling the "Blind fold Challenge," under the hashtag
> "#HowEyeSeeIt (eye as in E. Y. E.)  In this challenge, people are asked to
> put on a blind fold for a minimal amount of time to preform a day-to-day
> task. In doing so, a person is supposedly made aware of what it is like to
> be a blind person.
> 
> It is the hopes of the Foundation Fighting Blindness that, because they
> recognize the struggles blind people face, they will donate money to "cure
> blindness."
> 
> 
> 
>                Our members of the National Federation of the Blind have
> spoken out against this campaign, and we have been silenced. In fact, we are
> not inherently opposed to medical research for blindness. What we find
> problematic is the inaccurate portrayal of blind people as helpless; or
> worse: blindness as something to fear. For example, one of the videos
> demonstrates "what it would be like if you lost your sight.what it is like
> to no longer see your children." In an age where blind parents are
> systematically subjected to third-party custody or separation from their
> children, on the bases of their blindness, videos misconstruing blind
> parenting is offensive, dangerous, and frightening to us.
> 
> 
> 
>                We have explained, using scientific research, why blind fold
> simulation is harmful in societal interactions and practical application. We
> have fought back hard, by demonstrating what it is truly like to be blind,
> independent, and capable. We have been marginally successful. The fight does
> not stop here. We must continue the fight to show that we can live the life
> we want. 
> 
> 
> 
> There are three things we must keep in mind and take action:
> 
> 1. Do not participate in the blindfold challenge: they are destructive and
> dangerous to our work.
> 
> 2. Do not donate to this campaign: we are not against medical research, even
> medical research conducted by the foundation. We are against this campaign,
> though!
> 
> 3. Educate people. Please post videos, pictures, and text. This will explain
> how you live the life you want. We know that blindness is not the
> characteristic that defines us, or what holds us back. We know, with
> alternative techniques and proper training, we can perform the same task as
> an average person in an average setting.
> 
> 
> 
> In pushing back, we must stay respectful. We must continue educating the
> public because it is the low expectations of blindness that create obstacles
> between us and our dreams. 
> 
> 
> 
> I believe in us, the students, to show our capabilities by pushing back on
> the Blindfold Challenge. Let's join together, the national Federation of the
> Blind, the most powerful blindness organization in our nation.
> 
> #HowEyeSeeIt
> 
> 
> 
> Please let me know if you have any questions; and I can't wait to see all
> the posts our blind students have to share!
> 
> 
> 
> Yours and the Movement,
> 
> Kathryn Webster
> 
> President | National Association of Blind Students
> 
> (203) 273-8463
> 
> Nabs.president at gmail.com <mailto:Nabs.president at gmail.com> 
> 
> Nfb.students.com
> 
> @nabslink
> 
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Wed Sep 28 21:55:08 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:55:08 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] IMPORTANT: The #HowEyeSeeIt Campaign from Foundation
 Fighting Blindness
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	<SNT404-EAS386155EADB6B4BD7B2D7F7CBCCF0@phx.gbl>
	<CADuVAt7k3Hr2+kgLSk3ROnUqKqGMbyNrFJTneAsDieDVvudHuA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.286.1772982283.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Steve, thank you! I think it's all about  the A-word, that is, 
autonomy. people ought  to have a right to decide or to decline 
seeking out a particular knowing without your being force fed, 
Guantanamo Bay style.
Car  9/28/2016, you wrote:
>Kindness before harshness and getting mad. Shoving angry reviews and
>comments will not help anything at all.
>
>On Sep 28, 2016 3:23 PM, "Steve Jacobson via NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>wrote:
>
> > Personally, I think we have been very gentle with them for a long time and
> > it really has not changed anything.  Someone wrote that they are trying to
> > teach people about blindness, but I don't think that's what they are doing
> > at all.  There motive is to scare people about blindness so they donate,
> > pure and simple.  Their goals and ours are very different.  It should be
> > possible to not work directly against one another, but we are likely not
> > going to work for the same things.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Steve Jacobson
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Linson
> > Productions via NABS-L
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 1:43 PM
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > >
> > Cc: Linson Productions <blindgeek1989 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IMPORTANT: The #HowEyeSeeIt Campaign from Foundation
> > Fighting Blindness
> >
> > Why I definitely see the point, I don't think that amping anything will
> > help. Just because somebody or an organization doesn't do what you want.
> > That doesn't mean the federation or anybody should shoot them down. The NFB
> > needs to gently guide bit forcefully impose viewpoints and ways of life
> > that they think are right.
> > Thanks,
> > Aaron
> >
> > On Sep 28, 2016 12:35 PM, "Arielle Silverman via NABS-L" <
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > > President Riccobono has reached out to the Foundation Fighting
> > > Blindness to have a conversation with their leadership. Several of us
> > > have also shared our views with them online regarding the campaign. As
> > > of this moment, they have shown no sign of suspending or modifying
> > > their campaign.
> > > It is important to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, but when we
> > > present them with evidence that their campaign could be harmful, and
> > > receive no response, the next step is to amplify our counter-response.
> > > I am sure most of you can relate to having someone try to give
> > > well-intended help that is harmful, by grabbing you on the street, for
> > > instance. This is one of those cases where good intentions have gone
> > > awry.
> > > Best, Arielle
> > >
> > > On 9/28/16, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > > > Good morning, Kathryn,
> > > >
> > > >          We know all this, that is, we know how,dawning a blind fold
> > > > is usually a destructive practice, doesn't give anyone, particularly
> > > > Ol'Sighty,  an idea of actually living as a blind person, but we
> > > > don't need to attack like this, that is, unless you appreciate the
> > > > Federation being thought of as militant, angry.
> > > > Car /28/2016, Linson Productions via NABS-L wrote:
> > > >>I don't think posting a negative review will help anything. You may
> > want
> > > >> to
> > > >>consider that the federation fighting blindness is helping those who
> > > don't
> > > >>understand and have never experienced before. What has the NFB done?
> > > >>
> > > >>On Sep 28, 2016 9:08 AM, "Arielle Silverman via NABS-L"
> > > >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > > >>wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > Hi all. You can also take action by going to the Foundation Fighting
> > > >> > Blindness's Facebook page and posting a negative review in the
> > reviews
> > > >> > section. A number of our members, including President Riccobono,
> > have
> > > >> > done this.
> > > >> > Best, Arielle
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On 9/28/16, Kathryn Webster, NABS President via NABS-L
> > > >> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > > >> > > Dear NABS:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >                 On August 25, 2016, the Foundation Fighting
> > > Blindness
> > > >> > (FFB)
> > > >> > > created what they are calling the "Blind fold Challenge," under
> > the
> > > >> > hashtag
> > > >> > > "#HowEyeSeeIt (eye as in E. Y. E.)  In this challenge, people are
> > > >> > > asked
> > > >> > to
> > > >> > > put on a blind fold for a minimal amount of time to preform a
> > > >> > > day-to-day
> > > >> > > task. In doing so, a person is supposedly made aware of what it is
> > > >> > > like
> > > >> > to
> > > >> > > be a blind person.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > It is the hopes of the Foundation Fighting Blindness that, because
> > > >> > > they
> > > >> > > recognize the struggles blind people face, they will donate money
> > to
> > > >> > "cure
> > > >> > > blindness."
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >                 Our members of the National Federation of the
> > Blind
> > > >> > > have
> > > >> > > spoken out against this campaign, and we have been silenced. In
> > > fact,
> > > >> > > we
> > > >> > > are
> > > >> > > not inherently opposed to medical research for blindness. What we
> > > >> > > find
> > > >> > > problematic is the inaccurate portrayal of blind people as
> > helpless;
> > > >> > > or
> > > >> > > worse: blindness as something to fear. For example, one of the
> > > videos
> > > >> > > demonstrates "what it would be like if you lost your sight.what it
> > > is
> > > >> > like
> > > >> > > to no longer see your children." In an age where blind parents are
> > > >> > > systematically subjected to third-party custody or separation from
> > > >> > > their
> > > >> > > children, on the bases of their blindness, videos misconstruing
> > > blind
> > > >> > > parenting is offensive, dangerous, and frightening to us.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >                 We have explained, using scientific research, why
> > > >> > > blind
> > > >> > > fold
> > > >> > > simulation is harmful in societal interactions and practical
> > > >> > > application.
> > > >> > > We
> > > >> > > have fought back hard, by demonstrating what it is truly like to
> > be
> > > >> > blind,
> > > >> > > independent, and capable. We have been marginally successful. The
> > > >> > > fight
> > > >> > > does
> > > >> > > not stop here. We must continue the fight to show that we can live
> > > >> > > the
> > > >> > life
> > > >> > > we want.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > There are three things we must keep in mind and take action:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > 1. Do not participate in the blindfold challenge: they are
> > > >> > > destructive
> > > >> > and
> > > >> > > dangerous to our work.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > 2. Do not donate to this campaign: we are not against medical
> > > >> > > research,
> > > >> > > even
> > > >> > > medical research conducted by the foundation. We are against this
> > > >> > campaign,
> > > >> > > though!
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > 3. Educate people. Please post videos, pictures, and text. This
> > will
> > > >> > > explain
> > > >> > > how you live the life you want. We know that blindness is not the
> > > >> > > characteristic that defines us, or what holds us back. We know,
> > with
> > > >> > > alternative techniques and proper training, we can perform the
> > same
> > > >> > > task
> > > >> > as
> > > >> > > an average person in an average setting.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > In pushing back, we must stay respectful. We must continue
> > educating
> > > >> > > the
> > > >> > > public because it is the low expectations of blindness that create
> > > >> > > obstacles
> > > >> > > between us and our dreams.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > I believe in us, the students, to show our capabilities by pushing
> > > >> > > back
> > > >> > on
> > > >> > > the Blindfold Challenge. Let's join together, the national
> > > Federation
> > > >> > > of
> > > >> > > the
> > > >> > > Blind, the most powerful blindness organization in our nation.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > #HowEyeSeeIt
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Please let me know if you have any questions; and I can't wait to
> > > see
> > > >> > > all
> > > >> > > the posts our blind students have to share!
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Yours and the Movement,
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Kathryn Webster
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > President | National Association of Blind Students
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > (203) 273-8463
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Nabs.president at gmail.com <mailto:Nabs.president at gmail.com>
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Nfb.students.com
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Wed Sep 28 22:29:56 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 15:29:56 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Mandarin speaking.course
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Afternoon, Amanda,

         Have you learned Mandarin braille? While I was taking 
nihongo (Japanese language) it was the best thing I did, learning to 
read. Personally, my Dad found the hiragana chart (the sylables which 
comprise the language On-line and I'll bet they have a Mandarin 
braille key, too.
Also, yu can find some real blind folks whom also read braille 
Mandarin and get them to teach you if , like me you don't learn well 
from reading. I was imagining you could become versed in braille 
Mandarin such that you develop sort of a working knowledge so you can 
then get some person2person study, too.
What do you think? In terms of fining a Mandarin reader, you might 
not need to look further than your local blind community.
Keep us posted.
CarAt 09:41 AM 4/4/2016, Amanda via nabs-l wrote:
>Hello,
>Has anyone taken a mandarin course either onlime or via an app? If 
>so, which one?
>Thanks.
>
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Wed Sep 28 22:32:41 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 15:32:41 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Mandarin speaking.course
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Afternoon, Amanda,

         If you are looking for a resource, you might get into 
Rosetta Stnone, you can read about them, but that program inables you 
to hear it, as well as practice.
Good luck!
Car At 10:16 AM 4/4/2016, you wrote:
>Thanks for the advice. Did you only do speaking?
>
>Amanda
>
> > On Apr 4, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Alana Leonhardy via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> > I have taken Mandarin, but it was an in-person class. If you can 
> do that, either through your university or a community class, 
> that's what I most recommend. Mandarin pronunciation can be a 
> challenge for many people, and some have a difficult time with the 
> grammar and structure as well. An app really can't explain things 
> as well or help you as completely as a professor or instructor could.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Apr 4, 2016, at 09:41, Amanda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >> Has anyone taken a mandarin course either onlime or via an app? 
> If so, which one?
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> Amanda
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Wed Sep 28 22:35:39 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 15:35:39 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] IMPORTANT: The #HowEyeSeeIt Campaign from Foundation
 Fighting Blindness
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Afternoon, Vejas,

Everyone has a right just to be. Not everybody needs to be 
engineered, or changed to fit another's ideal. That's supposedly what 
they have in
America, let's walk the walk, guys.
CarAt 02:39 PM 9/28/2016, Vejas via NABS-L wrote:
>While I respect all of yours and President Riccobono's desire to 
>abolish the blindfold challenge, I still don't quite understand how 
>getting involved is going to be beneficial.
>The  way I see it,  we as an organization also do not agree with the 
>ACB. I'm sure that we would want to try to change ACB peoples views, 
>but we seem to have come to understand that, while we do not agree 
>with them, they are there, and still respect these with an ACB 
>lifestyle.  Similarly, there are training centers all over the 
>country with very low expectations, but we don't really try to 
>implement the NFB model on all of them. Some training centers do 
>come forward and wish to subscribe to the NFB model, such as SAVI of 
>Arizona while I was an LCB student, but had they not wanted to, we 
>never would have tried to implement their way of thinking on them.
>Vejas
>
> > On Sep 28, 2016, at 05:06, Kathryn Webster, NABS President via 
> NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Dear NABS:
> >
> >
> >
> >                On August 25, 2016, the Foundation Fighting Blindness (FFB)
> > created what they are calling the "Blind fold Challenge," under the hashtag
> > "#HowEyeSeeIt (eye as in E. Y. E.)  In this challenge, people are asked to
> > put on a blind fold for a minimal amount of time to preform a day-to-day
> > task. In doing so, a person is supposedly made aware of what it is like to
> > be a blind person.
> >
> > It is the hopes of the Foundation Fighting Blindness that, because they
> > recognize the struggles blind people face, they will donate money to "cure
> > blindness."
> >
> >
> >
> >                Our members of the National Federation of the Blind have
> > spoken out against this campaign, and we have been silenced. In 
> fact, we are
> > not inherently opposed to medical research for blindness. What we find
> > problematic is the inaccurate portrayal of blind people as helpless; or
> > worse: blindness as something to fear. For example, one of the videos
> > demonstrates "what it would be like if you lost your sight.what it is like
> > to no longer see your children." In an age where blind parents are
> > systematically subjected to third-party custody or separation from their
> > children, on the bases of their blindness, videos misconstruing blind
> > parenting is offensive, dangerous, and frightening to us.
> >
> >
> >
> >                We have explained, using scientific research, why blind fold
> > simulation is harmful in societal interactions and practical 
> application. We
> > have fought back hard, by demonstrating what it is truly like to be blind,
> > independent, and capable. We have been marginally successful. The 
> fight does
> > not stop here. We must continue the fight to show that we can live the life
> > we want.
> >
> >
> >
> > There are three things we must keep in mind and take action:
> >
> > 1. Do not participate in the blindfold challenge: they are destructive and
> > dangerous to our work.
> >
> > 2. Do not donate to this campaign: we are not against medical 
> research, even
> > medical research conducted by the foundation. We are against this campaign,
> > though!
> >
> > 3. Educate people. Please post videos, pictures, and text. This 
> will explain
> > how you live the life you want. We know that blindness is not the
> > characteristic that defines us, or what holds us back. We know, with
> > alternative techniques and proper training, we can perform the same task as
> > an average person in an average setting.
> >
> >
> >
> > In pushing back, we must stay respectful. We must continue educating the
> > public because it is the low expectations of blindness that 
> create obstacles
> > between us and our dreams.
> >
> >
> >
> > I believe in us, the students, to show our capabilities by pushing back on
> > the Blindfold Challenge. Let's join together, the national 
> Federation of the
> > Blind, the most powerful blindness organization in our nation.
> >
> > #HowEyeSeeIt
> >
> >
> >
> > Please let me know if you have any questions; and I can't wait to see all
> > the posts our blind students have to share!
> >
> >
> >
> > Yours and the Movement,
> >
> > Kathryn Webster
> >
> > President | National Association of Blind Students
> >
> > (203) 273-8463
> >
> > Nabs.president at gmail.com <mailto:Nabs.president at gmail.com>
> >
> > Nfb.students.com
> >
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 28 23:42:46 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 19:42:46 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] IMPORTANT: The #HowEyeSeeIt Campaign from
 FoundationFighting Blindness
Message-ID: <57ec558f.095d810a.ffbc1.6d76@mx.google.com>

How does this philosophy fit with your original message in this 
thread saying that at least the Foundation Fighting Blindness is 
helping blind people (this is false by the way) and asking what 
the NFB has ever done?  Seems to be a bit of a double standard 
don't you think?

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Linson Productions via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 16:12:43 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IMPORTANT: The #HowEyeSeeIt Campaign from 
FoundationFighting Blindness

Kindness before harshness and getting mad. Shoving angry reviews 
and
comments will not help anything at all.

On Sep 28, 2016 3:23 PM, "Steve Jacobson via NABS-L" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
wrote:

 Personally, I think we have been very gentle with them for a 
long time and
 it really has not changed anything.  Someone wrote that they are 
trying to
 teach people about blindness, but I don't think that's what they 
are doing
 at all.  There motive is to scare people about blindness so they 
donate,
 pure and simple.  Their goals and ours are very different.  It 
should be
 possible to not work directly against one another, but we are 
likely not
 going to work for the same things.

 Best regards,

 Steve Jacobson

 -----Original Message-----
 From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Linson
 Productions via NABS-L
 Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 1:43 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org

 Cc: Linson Productions <blindgeek1989 at gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IMPORTANT: The #HowEyeSeeIt Campaign from 
Foundation
 Fighting Blindness

 Why I definitely see the point, I don't think that amping 
anything will
 help. Just because somebody or an organization doesn't do what 
you want.
 That doesn't mean the federation or anybody should shoot them 
down. The NFB
 needs to gently guide bit forcefully impose viewpoints and ways 
of life
 that they think are right.
 Thanks,
 Aaron

 On Sep 28, 2016 12:35 PM, "Arielle Silverman via NABS-L" <
 nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 wrote:

 Hi all,
 President Riccobono has reached out to the Foundation Fighting
 Blindness to have a conversation with their leadership. Several 
of us
 have also shared our views with them online regarding the 
campaign. As
 of this moment, they have shown no sign of suspending or 
modifying
 their campaign.
 It is important to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, but 
when we
 present them with evidence that their campaign could be harmful, 
and
 receive no response, the next step is to amplify our 
counter-response.
 I am sure most of you can relate to having someone try to give
 well-intended help that is harmful, by grabbing you on the 
street, for
 instance. This is one of those cases where good intentions have 
gone
 awry.
 Best, Arielle

 On 9/28/16, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
wrote:
 Good morning, Kathryn,

          We know all this, that is, we know how,dawning a blind 
fold
 is usually a destructive practice, doesn't give anyone, 
particularly
 Ol'Sighty,  an idea of actually living as a blind person, but we
 don't need to attack like this, that is, unless you appreciate 
the
 Federation being thought of as militant, angry.
 Car /28/2016, Linson Productions via NABS-L wrote:
I don't think posting a negative review will help anything. You 
may
 want
 to
consider that the federation fighting blindness is helping those 
who
 don't
understand and have never experienced before. What has the NFB 
done?

On Sep 28, 2016 9:08 AM, "Arielle Silverman via NABS-L"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
wrote:

 Hi all. You can also take action by going to the Foundation 
Fighting
 Blindness's Facebook page and posting a negative review in the
 reviews
 section. A number of our members, including President Riccobono,
 have
 done this.
 Best, Arielle

 On 9/28/16, Kathryn Webster, NABS President via NABS-L
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 Dear NABS:



                 On August 25, 2016, the Foundation Fighting
 Blindness
 (FFB)
 created what they are calling the "Blind fold Challenge," under
 the
 hashtag
 "#HowEyeSeeIt (eye as in E. Y. E.)  In this challenge, people 
are
 asked
 to
 put on a blind fold for a minimal amount of time to preform a
 day-to-day
 task. In doing so, a person is supposedly made aware of what it 
is
 like
 to
 be a blind person.

 It is the hopes of the Foundation Fighting Blindness that, 
because
 they
 recognize the struggles blind people face, they will donate 
money
 to
 "cure
 blindness."



                 Our members of the National Federation of the
 Blind
 have
 spoken out against this campaign, and we have been silenced. In
 fact,
 we
 are
 not inherently opposed to medical research for blindness. What 
we
 find
 problematic is the inaccurate portrayal of blind people as
 helpless;
 or
 worse: blindness as something to fear. For example, one of the
 videos
 demonstrates "what it would be like if you lost your sight.what 
it
 is
 like
 to no longer see your children." In an age where blind parents 
are
 systematically subjected to third-party custody or separation 
from
 their
 children, on the bases of their blindness, videos misconstruing
 blind
 parenting is offensive, dangerous, and frightening to us.



                 We have explained, using scientific research, 
why
 blind
 fold
 simulation is harmful in societal interactions and practical
 application.
 We
 have fought back hard, by demonstrating what it is truly like to
 be
 blind,
 independent, and capable. We have been marginally successful. 
The
 fight
 does
 not stop here. We must continue the fight to show that we can 
live
 the
 life
 we want.



 There are three things we must keep in mind and take action:

 1. Do not participate in the blindfold challenge: they are
 destructive
 and
 dangerous to our work.

 2. Do not donate to this campaign: we are not against medical
 research,
 even
 medical research conducted by the foundation. We are against 
this
 campaign,
 though!

 3. Educate people. Please post videos, pictures, and text. This
 will
 explain
 how you live the life you want. We know that blindness is not 
the
 characteristic that defines us, or what holds us back. We know,
 with
 alternative techniques and proper training, we can perform the
 same
 task
 as
 an average person in an average setting.



 In pushing back, we must stay respectful. We must continue
 educating
 the
 public because it is the low expectations of blindness that 
create
 obstacles
 between us and our dreams.



 I believe in us, the students, to show our capabilities by 
pushing
 back
 on
 the Blindfold Challenge. Let's join together, the national
 Federation
 of
 the
 Blind, the most powerful blindness organization in our nation.

 #HowEyeSeeIt



 Please let me know if you have any questions; and I can't wait 
to
 see
 all
 the posts our blind students have to share!



 Yours and the Movement,

 Kathryn Webster

 President | National Association of Blind Students

 (203) 273-8463

 Nabs.president at gmail.com <mailto:Nabs.president at gmail.com

 Nfb.students.com

 @nabslink

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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 28 23:42:43 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 19:42:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] IMPORTANT: The #HowEyeSeeIt Campaign from
 FoundationFighting Blindness
Message-ID: <57ec558d.095d810a.ffbc1.6d72@mx.google.com>

The ACB isn't running a campaign to convince sighted people that 
the blind are incompetent and thereby making it less likely blind 
people will be hired and more likely judges, juries, and social 
workers will feel justified in taking away the children of blind 
parents.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Vejas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:39:45 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IMPORTANT: The #HowEyeSeeIt Campaign from 
FoundationFighting Blindness

While I respect all of yours and President Riccobono's desire to 
abolish the blindfold challenge, I still don't quite understand 
how getting involved is going to be beneficial.
The  way I see it,  we as an organization also do not agree with 
the ACB. I'm sure that we would want to try to change ACB peoples 
views, but we seem to have come to understand that, while we do 
not agree with them, they are there, and still respect these with 
an ACB lifestyle.  Similarly, there are training centers all over 
the country with very low expectations, but we don't really try 
to implement the NFB model on all of them. Some training centers 
do come forward and wish to subscribe to the NFB model, such as 
SAVI of Arizona while I was an LCB student, but had they not 
wanted to, we never would have tried to implement their way of 
thinking on them.
Vejas

 On Sep 28, 2016, at 05:06, Kathryn Webster, NABS President via 
NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Dear NABS:



                On August 25, 2016, the Foundation Fighting 
Blindness (FFB)
 created what they are calling the "Blind fold Challenge," under 
the hashtag
 "#HowEyeSeeIt (eye as in E. Y. E.)  In this challenge, people 
are asked to
 put on a blind fold for a minimal amount of time to preform a 
day-to-day
 task. In doing so, a person is supposedly made aware of what it 
is like to
 be a blind person.

 It is the hopes of the Foundation Fighting Blindness that, 
because they
 recognize the struggles blind people face, they will donate 
money to "cure
 blindness."



                Our members of the National Federation of the 
Blind have
 spoken out against this campaign, and we have been silenced. In 
fact, we are
 not inherently opposed to medical research for blindness. What 
we find
 problematic is the inaccurate portrayal of blind people as 
helpless; or
 worse: blindness as something to fear. For example, one of the 
videos
 demonstrates "what it would be like if you lost your sight.what 
it is like
 to no longer see your children." In an age where blind parents 
are
 systematically subjected to third-party custody or separation 
from their
 children, on the bases of their blindness, videos misconstruing 
blind
 parenting is offensive, dangerous, and frightening to us.



                We have explained, using scientific research, why 
blind fold
 simulation is harmful in societal interactions and practical 
application. We
 have fought back hard, by demonstrating what it is truly like to 
be blind,
 independent, and capable. We have been marginally successful. 
The fight does
 not stop here. We must continue the fight to show that we can 
live the life
 we want.



 There are three things we must keep in mind and take action:

 1. Do not participate in the blindfold challenge: they are 
destructive and
 dangerous to our work.

 2. Do not donate to this campaign: we are not against medical 
research, even
 medical research conducted by the foundation. We are against 
this campaign,
 though!

 3. Educate people. Please post videos, pictures, and text. This 
will explain
 how you live the life you want. We know that blindness is not 
the
 characteristic that defines us, or what holds us back. We know, 
with
 alternative techniques and proper training, we can perform the 
same task as
 an average person in an average setting.



 In pushing back, we must stay respectful. We must continue 
educating the
 public because it is the low expectations of blindness that 
create obstacles
 between us and our dreams.



 I believe in us, the students, to show our capabilities by 
pushing back on
 the Blindfold Challenge. Let's join together, the national 
Federation of the
 Blind, the most powerful blindness organization in our nation.

 #HowEyeSeeIt



 Please let me know if you have any questions; and I can't wait 
to see all
 the posts our blind students have to share!



 Yours and the Movement,

 Kathryn Webster

 President | National Association of Blind Students

 (203) 273-8463

 Nabs.president at gmail.com <mailto:Nabs.president at gmail.com

 Nfb.students.com

 @nabslink

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From carlymih at comcast.net  Thu Sep 29 03:26:43 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 20:26:43 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] developmental delay and blindness
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Evening, Michael,

         I don't have any Arielle-like answers accept for my having 
been born with the ability to see but was bienucleated (relieved of 
some cancerous ocular organs)  at age 18 months. After that, I 
settled into a way of seeing my world which I love. In fact, ocular 
blindness, as a matter of fact, is my favorite personal 
characteristic. I don't really feel blind, however, if anyone out 
there can quantify a blind feeling, I hope you describe it for us!
Remember, there are many ways of seeing, only thing about ocularly 
blind people is that they don't see with their ocular holes. We are 
still seeing, though.
Brian Ridgeway, I think is your guy from SoCal. He partners with 
Daniel Kish to explore the blind man's plane of seeing.
We are not blind! I'm convinced that, this is the origin of 
Ol'Sighty's being baffled by how blind people live. Haven't you heard 
that jazz about blindness's being caused by masturbation?
Intriguing!
Car

   Andrew via nabs-l wrote:
>Hi Michael thank you for your note   it is a great topic by the way  I
>will be looking forward to hearing the other's views on this.
>
>On 12/29/14, Michael D Ausbun <mausbun at unr.edu> wrote:
> > Hello:
> >       First, a couple of disclaimers.
> > 1)    No question is ever dumb.
> > 2)    I'm not a doctor, medical or otherwise, nor is Nero 
> cognition my area of
> > expertise.
> > With that said, I would like to propose two different theories. First, I'd
> > argue that developmental delays ought to be normal for most blind
> > individuals. A large part of human adaptation comes from visual 
> analysis; if
> > we lack that capability, then adaptation is slower and thus, development is
> > slowed. Now, with that said, I know there have been studies (at my
> > University and probably others), in the neuroscience field, which show that
> > other senses (smell, sound, etc.)  Produce responses within the visual
> > cortex of blind individual's brains (there is a gentleman from California,
> > by the name of Brian something, who was on the discovery channel who
> > referred to this as a form of echo location). This would expedite the
> > development somewhat I'd think, but not to the same degree.
> >       My second theory is that people are more inclined to label visually
> > challenged individuals as developmentally delayed, in order to explain the
> > inability to grasp certain things (personally, I'd argue this is ablest in
> > nature). What I mean is, if a blind person does not receive tactile
> > representations of inherently visual things, but a person expects them to
> > know what it is (I.E. a round-Square), they might decide that person is
> > merely developmentally delayed.
> >       I don't know if either theory is accurate, perhaps Arielle 
> or someone with
> > a little more relevant expertise might be able to give you a better answer.
> > Respectfully,
> > Michael Ausbun
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Andrew via nabs-l
> > [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
> > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 11:46 AM
> > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: [nabs-l] developmental delay and blindness
> >
> > Hi all
> > have a rather dumb question.   Is developmental delay quite common
> > amung blind people or is it not that common the person who  works with
> > just disability people over all said i have a slight developmental
> > delay  that is why i am asking.  like they re fer to her as a doctor
> > so and so but not really medical doctor though. but anyway is this a
> > common thing?
> >
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Thu Sep 29 04:11:05 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 21:11:05 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
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	mail.com>
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	<57c7962e.03ae370a.fbde1.1cf5SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
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Okay, Joe,
	As someone who is rather interested in differences between people's 
facial features and in physilogical racial markers, I am so jazzed 
upon opportuning to be invited to check out someone's face, which  I 
only do upon previously being invited.

Just tonight, there is this little girl, Shavan, whom I am not sure 
was houseless or mainstream, but it was so cool, getting to feel her.
  And again, my paws took in Shavan's face cursorily, Nobody acted 
suprised when I started looking at her face. However, I don't seem to 
make the most of the opportunity, my gropes are sort of superficial 
thus typically, I don't think I get the picture of genes which I 
crave. think has more to do with my general personality than any 
blindness factor. I certainly hope my fellow blind guys here are not 
going about using the touch thing as an excuse to go around feeling 
people. Save that for your own loved ones. :) Joe On 8/31/16, Carly 
Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > Evening, Carl, and 
everyone, > > I have a lover and I can't get enough of groping his 
face, taking in > the vaguely almond-shaped eyes, the broad Nubian 
nose, the bierd and > best of all, the thick, juicy lips. I can't get 
enough! > CarAt 09:46 AM 9/8/2014, you wrote: >>I haven't done this 
either--except with people I'm dating and like >>my parents.  It does 
seem to be a common stereotype and something >>that happens in a lot 
of literature and movies. >>Perhaps some people who went blind later 
in life and think knowing >>what people's faces are like is important 
do this? >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Marissa Tejeda via 
nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>To: Nabsl <nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>Date sent: 
Mon, 08 Sep 2014 05:25:08 -0700 >>Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a 
myth or true? >> >>Hi guys, >> >>So, for a long time I've been want 
to know this, but never got >>around to asking.  I, personally, don't 
feel faces to know what >>people look like.  Do people really feel 
faces? How can it give >>someone a picture if they feel the face? Is 
this just a movie and >>a myth, or reality and 
true? >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l 
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Thu Sep 29 04:19:35 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 21:19:35 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Bt vs qt apex
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Depends what mode of input floats your boat more. Remember, if you 
get a braille keyboard people are less likely to rip it off because 
they can't use it , whereas, if you go for the QUIRTY keyboardd your 
machine might be vulnerable.
they can't use it, that it's a god forbid blind product. I hate 
calling anything blindness such and such.  As far as I'm concerned, 
it's blind community or blind product. I know the product or the 
community is not blind.
CarAt 07:44 AM 8/25/2014, Amanda via nabs-l wrote:


>I was just approved for a Braillenote apex. Is the bt or qt better?
>
>Amanda
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From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Thu Sep 29 05:10:53 2016
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 05:10:53 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] IMPORTANT: The #HowEyeSeeIt Campaign from Foundation
 Fighting Blindness
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	<E5CD7863-6D3F-41D2-88E7-F5099BF3238E@gmail.com>,
	<COL004-MC4F54cUtI9d00071494@COL004-MC4F54.hotmail.com>
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I think, this is one of those things where, things need to happen and, everyone needs to measure the fall-out if any from the foundation's campaign. People may see rite through it as another ploy for donating money to a narrow company agenda. I think, it is a wait/see process. The campaign maybe done so poorly that, most see through it and/or it's flaws.
Have a good evening.

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 28, 2016, at 18:36, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

Afternoon, Vejas,

Everyone has a right just to be. Not everybody needs to be engineered, or changed to fit another's ideal. That's supposedly what they have in
America, let's walk the walk, guys.
CarAt 02:39 PM 9/28/2016, Vejas via NABS-L wrote:
While I respect all of yours and President Riccobono's desire to abolish the blindfold challenge, I still don't quite understand how getting involved is going to be beneficial.
The  way I see it,  we as an organization also do not agree with the ACB. I'm sure that we would want to try to change ACB peoples views, but we seem to have come to understand that, while we do not agree with them, they are there, and still respect these with an ACB lifestyle.  Similarly, there are training centers all over the country with very low expectations, but we don't really try to implement the NFB model on all of them. Some training centers do come forward and wish to subscribe to the NFB model, such as SAVI of Arizona while I was an LCB student, but had they not wanted to, we never would have tried to implement their way of thinking on them.
Vejas

> On Sep 28, 2016, at 05:06, Kathryn Webster, NABS President via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>
> Dear NABS:
>
>
>
>                On August 25, 2016, the Foundation Fighting Blindness (FFB)
> created what they are calling the "Blind fold Challenge," under the hashtag
> "#HowEyeSeeIt (eye as in E. Y. E.)  In this challenge, people are asked to
> put on a blind fold for a minimal amount of time to preform a day-to-day
> task. In doing so, a person is supposedly made aware of what it is like to
> be a blind person.
>
> It is the hopes of the Foundation Fighting Blindness that, because they
> recognize the struggles blind people face, they will donate money to "cure
> blindness."
>
>
>
>                Our members of the National Federation of the Blind have
> spoken out against this campaign, and we have been silenced. In fact, we are
> not inherently opposed to medical research for blindness. What we find
> problematic is the inaccurate portrayal of blind people as helpless; or
> worse: blindness as something to fear. For example, one of the videos
> demonstrates "what it would be like if you lost your sight.what it is like
> to no longer see your children." In an age where blind parents are
> systematically subjected to third-party custody or separation from their
> children, on the bases of their blindness, videos misconstruing blind
> parenting is offensive, dangerous, and frightening to us.
>
>
>
>                We have explained, using scientific research, why blind fold
> simulation is harmful in societal interactions and practical application. We
> have fought back hard, by demonstrating what it is truly like to be blind,
> independent, and capable. We have been marginally successful. The fight does
> not stop here. We must continue the fight to show that we can live the life
> we want.
>
>
>
> There are three things we must keep in mind and take action:
>
> 1. Do not participate in the blindfold challenge: they are destructive and
> dangerous to our work.
>
> 2. Do not donate to this campaign: we are not against medical research, even
> medical research conducted by the foundation. We are against this campaign,
> though!
>
> 3. Educate people. Please post videos, pictures, and text. This will explain
> how you live the life you want. We know that blindness is not the
> characteristic that defines us, or what holds us back. We know, with
> alternative techniques and proper training, we can perform the same task as
> an average person in an average setting.
>
>
>
> In pushing back, we must stay respectful. We must continue educating the
> public because it is the low expectations of blindness that create obstacles
> between us and our dreams.
>
>
>
> I believe in us, the students, to show our capabilities by pushing back on
> the Blindfold Challenge. Let's join together, the national Federation of the
> Blind, the most powerful blindness organization in our nation.
>
> #HowEyeSeeIt
>
>
>
> Please let me know if you have any questions; and I can't wait to see all
> the posts our blind students have to share!
>
>
>
> Yours and the Movement,
>
> Kathryn Webster
>
> President | National Association of Blind Students
>
> (203) 273-8463
>
> Nabs.president at gmail.com<mailto:Nabs.president at gmail.com> <mailto:Nabs.president at gmail.com>
>
> Nfb.students.com<http://Nfb.students.com>
>
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From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Thu Sep 29 13:21:07 2016
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 08:21:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Bt vs qt apex
Message-ID: <57ed1547.842d9d0a.f20b4.56bb@mx.google.com>

Amanda, I've used a QT apex for the past eight yers and love it. 
To me, there are two major pros to getting the QT version. For 
one, it types a lot quieter than the braille keyboard. I had to 
use my friend's BT when mine was getting repaired, and I was 
shocked by how loud the keys were. Secondly, I love the QT 
because it is more standardized. Everyone will have t use a 
qwerty keyboard at some point in their lives, so why not do it 
all the time? Using my QT has done amazing things to my typing 
speed. Since I do it every day, I'm pretty darn fast by this 
point. One con of the QT is that it's more expensive. At least, 
it was when I got it. Hope this helps.

Sophie

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: cape.amanda at gmail.com,National Association of Blind Students 
mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,National Association of Blind 
Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 21:19:35 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Bt vs qt apex

Depends what mode of input floats your boat more. Remember, if 
you
get a braille keyboard people are less likely to rip it off 
because
they can't use it , whereas, if you go for the QUIRTY keyboardd 
your
machine might be vulnerable.
they can't use it, that it's a god forbid blind product. I hate
calling anything blindness such and such.  As far as I'm 
concerned,
it's blind community or blind product. I know the product or the
community is not blind.
CarAt 07:44 AM 8/25/2014, Amanda via nabs-l wrote:


I was just approved for a Braillenote apex. Is the bt or qt 
better?

Amanda

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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Sep 29 22:06:52 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 18:06:52 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] IMPORTANT: The #HowEyeSeeIt Campaign from
 FoundationFighting Blindness
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Carl,
Great points. We cannot compare what the ACB does for advocacy with the FFB. 
They have different goals, missions and structures.

So, where can I see some of these harmful videos? I'll have to see the ffb 
website and see what it says about their campaign.


Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 7:42 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Karl Martin Adam
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IMPORTANT: The #HowEyeSeeIt Campaign from 
FoundationFighting Blindness

The ACB isn't running a campaign to convince sighted people that
the blind are incompetent and thereby making it less likely blind
people will be hired and more likely judges, juries, and social
workers will feel justified in taking away the children of blind
parents.

----- Original Message -----
From: Vejas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:39:45 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IMPORTANT: The #HowEyeSeeIt Campaign from
FoundationFighting Blindness

While I respect all of yours and President Riccobono's desire to
abolish the blindfold challenge, I still don't quite understand
how getting involved is going to be beneficial.
The  way I see it,  we as an organization also do not agree with
the ACB. I'm sure that we would want to try to change ACB peoples
views, but we seem to have come to understand that, while we do
not agree with them, they are there, and still respect these with
an ACB lifestyle.  Similarly, there are training centers all over
the country with very low expectations, but we don't really try
to implement the NFB model on all of them. Some training centers
do come forward and wish to subscribe to the NFB model, such as
SAVI of Arizona while I was an LCB student, but had they not
wanted to, we never would have tried to implement their way of
thinking on them.
Vejas

On Sep 28, 2016, at 05:06, Kathryn Webster, NABS President via
NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

Dear NABS:



                On August 25, 2016, the Foundation Fighting
Blindness (FFB)
created what they are calling the "Blind fold Challenge," under
the hashtag
"#HowEyeSeeIt (eye as in E. Y. E.)  In this challenge, people
are asked to
put on a blind fold for a minimal amount of time to preform a
day-to-day
task. In doing so, a person is supposedly made aware of what it
is like to
be a blind person.

It is the hopes of the Foundation Fighting Blindness that,
because they
recognize the struggles blind people face, they will donate
money to "cure
blindness."



                Our members of the National Federation of the
Blind have
spoken out against this campaign, and we have been silenced. In
fact, we are
not inherently opposed to medical research for blindness. What
we find
problematic is the inaccurate portrayal of blind people as
helpless; or
worse: blindness as something to fear. For example, one of the
videos
demonstrates "what it would be like if you lost your sight.what
it is like
to no longer see your children." In an age where blind parents
are
systematically subjected to third-party custody or separation
from their
children, on the bases of their blindness, videos misconstruing
blind
parenting is offensive, dangerous, and frightening to us.



                We have explained, using scientific research, why
blind fold
simulation is harmful in societal interactions and practical
application. We
have fought back hard, by demonstrating what it is truly like to
be blind,
independent, and capable. We have been marginally successful.
The fight does
not stop here. We must continue the fight to show that we can
live the life
we want.



There are three things we must keep in mind and take action:

1. Do not participate in the blindfold challenge: they are
destructive and
dangerous to our work.

2. Do not donate to this campaign: we are not against medical
research, even
medical research conducted by the foundation. We are against
this campaign,
though!

3. Educate people. Please post videos, pictures, and text. This
will explain
how you live the life you want. We know that blindness is not
the
characteristic that defines us, or what holds us back. We know,
with
alternative techniques and proper training, we can perform the
same task as
an average person in an average setting.



In pushing back, we must stay respectful. We must continue
educating the
public because it is the low expectations of blindness that
create obstacles
between us and our dreams.



I believe in us, the students, to show our capabilities by
pushing back on
the Blindfold Challenge. Let's join together, the national
Federation of the
Blind, the most powerful blindness organization in our nation.

#HowEyeSeeIt



Please let me know if you have any questions; and I can't wait
to see all
the posts our blind students have to share!



Yours and the Movement,

Kathryn Webster

President | National Association of Blind Students

(203) 273-8463

Nabs.president at gmail.com <mailto:Nabs.president at gmail.com

Nfb.students.com

@nabslink

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From discoduck221 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 30 01:58:21 2016
From: discoduck221 at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 21:58:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A Complaint And A Recommendation I Feel Should Be Made
Message-ID: <CA+Wnc9QBxm3bzDXeYrG095kUZpzS+kNpZSc2LOR4cSR8y-oOkg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All!
Before going further, I want to apologize in advance if anyone finds
fault, anger, irritation, or anything similar in nature to those
feelings with what I'm about to say. However, when a situation comes
up that is being ignored, or at least, it appears, is being ignored by
our leadership, it has to be brought out. And unfortunately, this is
the second time I'm mentioning it, and because attempts to talk to
people privately are being ignored, I feel now that it's time to make
it known where I'm at, and my opinion on what should be done. I'm not
trying to disrespect the organization, but I feel that the people in
charge need to take responsibility when the ball is dropped.
Not long ago, you may recall I wrote to this list asking if people on
here who paid the ten dollars required to Luke for their Student
Success Toolkit thumb drives had received their drives. I posed this
question because I had not received my drive after having made a
payment and not receiving mine in the mail. I waited two weeks because
I know people in school gget busy.
So I wrote to Luke asking about this, and copied the nabs president,
Kathryn Webster, on the message. Luke wrote back, saying he sent it,
but had no tracking information.
I found this a bit disturbing because when you ask people to pay for
items to support an organization like this, even if it means you have
several people involved, tracking information needs to be had in case
something like this happens. Luke said he'd look into it, but no more
communications from him were received.
So at this point, I wrote to this list asking if anyone had not
received their drives, and one person replied to say they hadn't. The
board member Brian replied, telling me to send him my address
privately and I would get the drive right away.
I did email him privately, and even told him that I meant no
disrespect to the board in publicly bringing this up, but that it's
not fair for people not to receive what they pay for. I even told
Brian if he needed paypal transaction details for his records to let
me know.
Fast forward two weeks. Still nothing. Not only that, no email to
confirm this drive had been sent, nothing to indicate that I could
track it, Nothing. Even if Brian didn't get my response, no follow up?
Nothing to say I never heard back. No show of concern to see if this
was resolved, considering money is involved? I can share these emails
if no one believed any of this took place, as I keep records when
money is involved.
Because of this, I would encourage anyone who has been thinking of
buying one of these success toolkit thumb drives (if they even exist)
to not participate in this fund raising effort.
I further suggest that anyone who has not received a thumb drive, if
paid for, that you dispute the transaction with your bank, paypal, or
whatever financial institution you used to make your payment. Nabs
leadership needs to know this is not acceptable, and the lack of
concern shown is disturbing to say the least.
I realize it's a new board with some new people, and as I said above,
I know students get busy. Hell, I'm going to be a student again in
about two weeks too, so I get how things are.
Nevertheless, this lack of organization, and worse, communication when
the product paid for is not received is absolutely disgraceful. And
it's robbery and fraud to take from people and not provide what is
promised in exchange for the money sent. It's actually a violation of
the law if you get right down to it, as it's a form of stealing.
I can't say what others who may have had the same problems as me will
do, but if I get no consistent communication from anyone on how this
can be resolved, on Monday, I will go to paypal and dispute the
transaction, show all evidence of my communications, including info on
the fund raiser, and my email interactions. And I can assure you I
will win, especially when they see I'm not the only person who didn't
get their drive. I hope it doesn't come to my having to do this, but I
will do what is necessary to ensure I get what I pay for or that my
money is returned. I can assure you, too, that until there's better
communication and organization that I will be hesitant to give money
to Nabs for awhile. Trust has to be earned when broken.
>From David


From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Fri Sep 30 03:03:34 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 03:03:34 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] A Complaint And A Recommendation I Feel Should Be Made
In-Reply-To: <CA+Wnc9QBxm3bzDXeYrG095kUZpzS+kNpZSc2LOR4cSR8y-oOkg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+Wnc9QBxm3bzDXeYrG095kUZpzS+kNpZSc2LOR4cSR8y-oOkg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SN1PR12MB01595B796DF5C5C8EBC1757EBAC10@SN1PR12MB0159.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Hello David,

I can understand your frustrations about not receiving the thumb drive you requested when sending a donation to the National Association of Blind Students. However, I feel as though this email is simply inappropriate for this email list. I have found the current NABS board to be more open, receptive, and responsive when compared to the previous NABS board. Therefore, I would encourage you to continue reaching out to all of the NABS board members privately until this matter is resolved.

Again, I understand your frustrations about not receiving the thumb drive you requested. However, I think it is important to keep in mind that this was meant to be a fundraiser. I do not know about everyone else, but the main reason why I purchased a thumb drive from NABS at national convention was because I was interested in supporting the organization. If you think about it, you can find a thumb drive anywhere, and if you look around, you can find the information found on the thumb drive for free. Therefore, I honestly do not see how your complaint is valid given the fact that the purpose of a fundraiser is to raise money.

However, since gaining access to the information on the thumb drive appears to be so important to you, perhaps this matter could simply be resolved by one of the NABS board members providing you with an electronic version of the information that appears on the thumb drive. But again, I feel as though this is something that should be done privately rather than publically on the NABS email list. If a particular NABS board member does not respond to you, try contacting all of the NABS board members until you receive a response. I am sure there is some way this matter can be resolved without taking any hostel or aggressive actions against the NABS board.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth
-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 9:58 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: David Dunphy <discoduck221 at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] A Complaint And A Recommendation I Feel Should Be Made

Hi All!
Before going further, I want to apologize in advance if anyone finds fault, anger, irritation, or anything similar in nature to those feelings with what I'm about to say. However, when a situation comes up that is being ignored, or at least, it appears, is being ignored by our leadership, it has to be brought out. And unfortunately, this is the second time I'm mentioning it, and because attempts to talk to people privately are being ignored, I feel now that it's time to make it known where I'm at, and my opinion on what should be done. I'm not trying to disrespect the organization, but I feel that the people in charge need to take responsibility when the ball is dropped.
Not long ago, you may recall I wrote to this list asking if people on here who paid the ten dollars required to Luke for their Student Success Toolkit thumb drives had received their drives. I posed this question because I had not received my drive after having made a payment and not receiving mine in the mail. I waited two weeks because I know people in school gget busy.
So I wrote to Luke asking about this, and copied the nabs president, Kathryn Webster, on the message. Luke wrote back, saying he sent it, but had no tracking information.
I found this a bit disturbing because when you ask people to pay for items to support an organization like this, even if it means you have several people involved, tracking information needs to be had in case something like this happens. Luke said he'd look into it, but no more communications from him were received.
So at this point, I wrote to this list asking if anyone had not received their drives, and one person replied to say they hadn't. The board member Brian replied, telling me to send him my address privately and I would get the drive right away.
I did email him privately, and even told him that I meant no disrespect to the board in publicly bringing this up, but that it's not fair for people not to receive what they pay for. I even told Brian if he needed paypal transaction details for his records to let me know.
Fast forward two weeks. Still nothing. Not only that, no email to confirm this drive had been sent, nothing to indicate that I could track it, Nothing. Even if Brian didn't get my response, no follow up?
Nothing to say I never heard back. No show of concern to see if this was resolved, considering money is involved? I can share these emails if no one believed any of this took place, as I keep records when money is involved.
Because of this, I would encourage anyone who has been thinking of buying one of these success toolkit thumb drives (if they even exist) to not participate in this fund raising effort.
I further suggest that anyone who has not received a thumb drive, if paid for, that you dispute the transaction with your bank, paypal, or whatever financial institution you used to make your payment. Nabs leadership needs to know this is not acceptable, and the lack of concern shown is disturbing to say the least.
I realize it's a new board with some new people, and as I said above, I know students get busy. Hell, I'm going to be a student again in about two weeks too, so I get how things are.
Nevertheless, this lack of organization, and worse, communication when the product paid for is not received is absolutely disgraceful. And it's robbery and fraud to take from people and not provide what is promised in exchange for the money sent. It's actually a violation of the law if you get right down to it, as it's a form of stealing.
I can't say what others who may have had the same problems as me will do, but if I get no consistent communication from anyone on how this can be resolved, on Monday, I will go to paypal and dispute the transaction, show all evidence of my communications, including info on the fund raiser, and my email interactions. And I can assure you I will win, especially when they see I'm not the only person who didn't get their drive. I hope it doesn't come to my having to do this, but I will do what is necessary to ensure I get what I pay for or that my money is returned. I can assure you, too, that until there's better communication and organization that I will be hesitant to give money to Nabs for awhile. Trust has to be earned when broken.
>From David

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From kestomberg at coe.edu  Fri Sep 30 03:42:50 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG)
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 22:42:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Complaint And A Recommendation I Feel Should Be Made
In-Reply-To: <CA+Wnc9QBxm3bzDXeYrG095kUZpzS+kNpZSc2LOR4cSR8y-oOkg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+Wnc9QBxm3bzDXeYrG095kUZpzS+kNpZSc2LOR4cSR8y-oOkg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D20BC5D9-DE84-4031-8998-61FC3E8C4729@coe.edu>

Thank you for making this known. It's such a bummer! I was really considering buying one of those. Oh well. I am sorry that this happened to you.

Kennedy Stomberg 
(218)295-2391 

> On Sep 29, 2016, at 8:58 PM, David Dunphy via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All!
> Before going further, I want to apologize in advance if anyone finds
> fault, anger, irritation, or anything similar in nature to those
> feelings with what I'm about to say. However, when a situation comes
> up that is being ignored, or at least, it appears, is being ignored by
> our leadership, it has to be brought out. And unfortunately, this is
> the second time I'm mentioning it, and because attempts to talk to
> people privately are being ignored, I feel now that it's time to make
> it known where I'm at, and my opinion on what should be done. I'm not
> trying to disrespect the organization, but I feel that the people in
> charge need to take responsibility when the ball is dropped.
> Not long ago, you may recall I wrote to this list asking if people on
> here who paid the ten dollars required to Luke for their Student
> Success Toolkit thumb drives had received their drives. I posed this
> question because I had not received my drive after having made a
> payment and not receiving mine in the mail. I waited two weeks because
> I know people in school gget busy.
> So I wrote to Luke asking about this, and copied the nabs president,
> Kathryn Webster, on the message. Luke wrote back, saying he sent it,
> but had no tracking information.
> I found this a bit disturbing because when you ask people to pay for
> items to support an organization like this, even if it means you have
> several people involved, tracking information needs to be had in case
> something like this happens. Luke said he'd look into it, but no more
> communications from him were received.
> So at this point, I wrote to this list asking if anyone had not
> received their drives, and one person replied to say they hadn't. The
> board member Brian replied, telling me to send him my address
> privately and I would get the drive right away.
> I did email him privately, and even told him that I meant no
> disrespect to the board in publicly bringing this up, but that it's
> not fair for people not to receive what they pay for. I even told
> Brian if he needed paypal transaction details for his records to let
> me know.
> Fast forward two weeks. Still nothing. Not only that, no email to
> confirm this drive had been sent, nothing to indicate that I could
> track it, Nothing. Even if Brian didn't get my response, no follow up?
> Nothing to say I never heard back. No show of concern to see if this
> was resolved, considering money is involved? I can share these emails
> if no one believed any of this took place, as I keep records when
> money is involved.
> Because of this, I would encourage anyone who has been thinking of
> buying one of these success toolkit thumb drives (if they even exist)
> to not participate in this fund raising effort.
> I further suggest that anyone who has not received a thumb drive, if
> paid for, that you dispute the transaction with your bank, paypal, or
> whatever financial institution you used to make your payment. Nabs
> leadership needs to know this is not acceptable, and the lack of
> concern shown is disturbing to say the least.
> I realize it's a new board with some new people, and as I said above,
> I know students get busy. Hell, I'm going to be a student again in
> about two weeks too, so I get how things are.
> Nevertheless, this lack of organization, and worse, communication when
> the product paid for is not received is absolutely disgraceful. And
> it's robbery and fraud to take from people and not provide what is
> promised in exchange for the money sent. It's actually a violation of
> the law if you get right down to it, as it's a form of stealing.
> I can't say what others who may have had the same problems as me will
> do, but if I get no consistent communication from anyone on how this
> can be resolved, on Monday, I will go to paypal and dispute the
> transaction, show all evidence of my communications, including info on
> the fund raiser, and my email interactions. And I can assure you I
> will win, especially when they see I'm not the only person who didn't
> get their drive. I hope it doesn't come to my having to do this, but I
> will do what is necessary to ensure I get what I pay for or that my
> money is returned. I can assure you, too, that until there's better
> communication and organization that I will be hesitant to give money
> to Nabs for awhile. Trust has to be earned when broken.
> From David
> 
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 30 13:17:41 2016
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 09:17:41 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] What to Ask For from College Food Services
Message-ID: <57ee6621.c1c70d0a.b9757.2013@mx.google.com>

Hi Vejas thanks for your message.  When you choose to eat at this 
station ask a staff member what is available there so you can 
choose what you want.  I think it would be helpful to have 
someone from Disability Services there in case the cafeteria 
workers have any questions.


From discoduck221 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 30 16:03:43 2016
From: discoduck221 at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 12:03:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A Follow Up To My Post From Last Night About The Thumb
 Drive Fund Raiser
Message-ID: <CA+Wnc9RJJp9gEvfu1MHZ_DfbCXqCg4=P+D_FfnUx8TRr9p986w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi There!
After reading some feedback received here and privately, I wanted to
throw some things out there and make a suggestion based on ideas given
to me off list and my own thinking.
.
1. Thank you Elizabeth for your thoughts. You're right. Anyone can get
a thumb drive. And anyone can find this information. But I felt like
you were minimizing my concern, like you were suggesting I let it go
cause it's just a fund raiser. I want to support an organization that
I believe does good for people. But if something is guaranteed, I
think that needs to be honored too.
2. After hearing some comments from membership, and I'd be willing to
help with this, why not make these available as a digital download for
a second method of delivery? As long as the payments get received, a
link is delivered. There's a shopping cart system of sorts that can be
set up to deliver this content upon receipt of payment in zip file
format to be extracted. I also have a way to make it an installer of
sorts so the student can save the files where he or she wishes. These
links can be hand sent via email. But there are ways to provide a
downloadable option providing payment is made.
If anyone on the board or otherwise would like to talk to me about
these ideas of how this could be implemented, please feel free to get
in touch via email.
Thanks for everything.
>From David Dunphy


From Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu  Fri Sep 30 17:26:23 2016
From: Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte (Student))
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 17:26:23 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Notes for the month of September
Message-ID: <87B197A6-EAB2-4266-AFB1-580465B30725@mainex1.asu.edu>

Greetings from the NABS Board,

We the students have a lot to be excited about. Contained in this months NABS Notes you will find some exciting news pertaining to the AIM He Act and also some calls to action to do our part. We have some great committee updates, state updates, and in case you missed it, take a minute to read this months blog post. Thanks for reading now, lets go build a federation!
http://nabslink.org/content/nabs-notes-month-september

If you have any questions or comments about the NABS Notes please do not hesitate to contact Bryan at:
bjduarte at asu.edu<mailto:bjduarte at asu.edu>

Bryan Duarte software engineer
ASU Computer Science Ph.D Student
National Association of Blind Students | Board Member
Arizona Association of Blind Students | President
QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/

“let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.”
-- St. Teresa of Avila