From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Wed Feb  1 13:13:05 2017
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 14:13:05 +0100
Subject: [nabs-l] Reliable and Accessible Flight Booking App or Website
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Hello all,
I am a Mac user and find the Expedia site to be very accessible. The Expedia and Kayak iPhone apps are also great, and I remember using the Skyscanner app some time ago and getting things done quite easily. The problem with search engines like Kayak and Skyscanner is that they usually send you to other websites to actually purchase tickets, and accessibility on those third-party websites isn’t always great. Generally speaking I find Expedia to offer the best experience in terms of accessibility both on my desktop and on my phone, and their prices are usually just slightly higher than the cheapest options available from lesser known travel agents that I see on Kayak. The process to buy flight+hotel packages on the Expedia website is also the most accessible I can think of. Things are usually labeled properly with headings, and forms use standard controls that screen readers should recognise easily.
Sorry for writing so much! Clearly I spend way too much time flying…
Best,

IC
> On 31 Jan 2017, at 04:33, Vanna Song via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hmmm, last time I ever booked anything was on the Mac side of things.
> Sites like expedia and others worked fine with Voice Over. I don't
> know about the WINDOWS side of things for I have not used those sites
> with NVDA or JAWS.
> 
> On 1/30/17, Mason, Amy via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>> I'm looking at a few things dealing with travel sites, and I'd love to hear
>> a bit more about the good and bad you are finding on specific sites where
>> accessibility is concerned. If any of you have the chance, I'd appreciate a
>> quick note off list. I'd like to know which sites you are having trouble
>> with, and what's acting as biggest barriers. I'd also love to know what you
>> find is working well for you and why.
>> 
>> Thanks,.
>> 
>> Amy Mason
>> amason at nfb.org
>> (410) 659-9314 Ext. 2424
>> National Federation of the Blind
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Zachary N.
>> Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L
>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 12:17 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer <zdreicer at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reliable and Accessible Flight Booking App or Website
>> 
>> I've been using http://google.com/flights, it takes a little bit to get used
>> to and you have to know the tricks to work with that website— Like using
>> taba bunch, and the arrow keys, but I found it very accessible to create an
>> itinerary and then book directly with the airline. Keep in mind that a lot
>> of the Google flights page I just text elements that when clicked on, they
>> activate whatever you are doing. The page that actually displays the flights
>> gives a link to each flight that is very accessible, and includes the price
>> including taxes and fees. Sam airlines, like Southwest, do not interface
>> with this light section. If you want to do a Southwest flight search, you
>> can call 888-792-8747, then when it asks what flight number you're calling
>> about, say agent and you will be transferred immediately. They can help you
>> book flights over the phone at no charge.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
>> 
>>> On Jan 29, 2017, at 10:51, Katie Wang via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Miso,
>>> 
>>> The Travelocity website is reasonably accessible, though the flight
>>> search process can be a little cumbersome to navigate with JAWS. If
>>> others know of more user-friendly travel booking sites I would love to
>>> hear about them as well.
>>> 
>>> Katie
>>> 
>>>> On 1/29/17, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I am writing to see if anyone on the list has a recommendation for
>>>> accessible and reliable flight finding app or website.
>>>> I've played around with Expedia, Kayak, and Google Flight and few
>>>> direct aireline apps like Southwest and Delta. I think some of them
>>>> are decently accessible but  I am not greatly satisfied with any one
>>>> of them.
>>>> I have an iPhone and JAWS 16 fyi.
>>>> I am trying to compare flights in terms of its times and price.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Miso Kwak
>>>> 
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From unoiwin21 at gmail.com  Thu Feb  2 19:06:07 2017
From: unoiwin21 at gmail.com (Craig Balster)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2017 14:06:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] New to this
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Hello, my name is CJ, and I am new to list serv.  I am new to
blindness, but am not letting this slow me down on accomplishing goals
in my life that I would like to achieve.  Chemistry is what I am
interested in, and would like to become a chemical technician.  I
honestly don't even know where to begin.  If there is anybody who
could help me on where to start, I would greatly appreciate that.  Or
even help discuss some of the obstacles that you encountered, and how
to get it all without going insane.  Thank you guys for everything,
and I look forward to talking to you soon.


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Feb  2 19:17:52 2017
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2017 14:17:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] New to this
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I hope you enjoy your  Time here.

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 2, 2017, at 2:06 PM, Craig Balster via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello, my name is CJ, and I am new to list serv.  I am new to
> blindness, but am not letting this slow me down on accomplishing goals
> in my life that I would like to achieve.  Chemistry is what I am
> interested in, and would like to become a chemical technician.  I
> honestly don't even know where to begin.  If there is anybody who
> could help me on where to start, I would greatly appreciate that.  Or
> even help discuss some of the obstacles that you encountered, and how
> to get it all without going insane.  Thank you guys for everything,
> and I look forward to talking to you soon.
> 
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From alanier at learningally.org  Thu Feb  2 19:19:34 2017
From: alanier at learningally.org (Abigail Lanier)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2017 14:19:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] perkins Pre College Program Fall 2017
Message-ID: <3BFBF604-D9EA-44BF-8B59-E94D04D89396@learningally.org>

Hi students,

A new pre college program is going to be beginning this fall on the campus of Perkins. College credits are available, not to mention the opportunity to live in a metropolitan city like Boston. I do not work for Perkins, but as a Learning Ally staff member, we are in support of what Perkins is doing.

https://go.learningally.org/giving-blind-visually-impaired-high-schoolers-a-college-experience/ <https://go.learningally.org/giving-blind-visually-impaired-high-schoolers-a-college-experience/>


Best wishes,
Abigail

Abigail Lanier
College Success Program Mentor Coordinator & Manhattan Studio Production Assistant

Learning Ally™
Together It’s Possible
learning ally.org/collegesuccess
545 5th Ave. suite 1005 
New York, NY 10017
O: 212-845-7007
C: 910-520-4337



From spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Feb  3 02:02:57 2017
From: spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net (Jen)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2017 21:02:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] New to this
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Hi, C.J. Welcome to the list! My name is Jen, and I am a medical
transcription student.

Do you have a periodic table in braille or some other alternative format? I
had to memorize families of chemicals in high school...

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via NABS-L
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To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Craig Balster <unoiwin21 at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] New to this

Hello, my name is CJ, and I am new to list serv.  I am new to
blindness, but am not letting this slow me down on accomplishing goals
in my life that I would like to achieve.  Chemistry is what I am
interested in, and would like to become a chemical technician.  I
honestly don't even know where to begin.  If there is anybody who
could help me on where to start, I would greatly appreciate that.  Or
even help discuss some of the obstacles that you encountered, and how
to get it all without going insane.  Thank you guys for everything,
and I look forward to talking to you soon.

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From cricketbidleman at gmail.com  Fri Feb  3 02:10:40 2017
From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2017 18:10:40 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] New to this
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Message-ID: <CABP7S8MMk848nf5Ys4pkoL_uNCgitjYuZ+mvuk7L1xs+7uQh2A@mail.gmail.com>

A periodic table will help immensely. There's one in Braille and large
print that comes with a nice book. There's a whole Braille chemistry
code too. It's not that hard if you know Nemeth, but there are some
differences. For example, in a lot of cases, subscript signs aren't
necessary, but sometimes they are. Same with number signs. The way I
learned Chem code was just by reading my AP chem textbook, but don't
use electronic Braille for that, of course. That's assuming that
you're totally or almost totally blind, or that you're a Braille user.
If you're not, the periodic table is still helpful and pretty
universal. Memorize the different groups and families if you can. If
you're beyond that, I'd start by looking at atomic structures so that
you understand how atoms are arranged and stuff. That's really visual,
but you can just memorize the orbittals and stuff. APH has some good
manipulatives that will help with that.
Obstacles? With science and blindness, there are lots of obstacles
because it's relatively uncharted territory. I had a lot of issues
when I took AP Chem, but I feel like telling you about all of them
would be pretty discouraging, so I'll just say this. Be open to trying
new things that aren't necessarily anything you've ever tried before.
You have to sometimes get creative with this stuff. If you're able to
do that, you can get a lot of places. Feel free to email me off list.

On 2/2/17, Jen via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi, C.J. Welcome to the list! My name is Jen, and I am a medical
> transcription student.
>
> Do you have a periodic table in braille or some other alternative format? I
> had to memorize families of chemicals in high school...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Craig Balster
> via NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 2:06 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Craig Balster <unoiwin21 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] New to this
>
> Hello, my name is CJ, and I am new to list serv.  I am new to
> blindness, but am not letting this slow me down on accomplishing goals
> in my life that I would like to achieve.  Chemistry is what I am
> interested in, and would like to become a chemical technician.  I
> honestly don't even know where to begin.  If there is anybody who
> could help me on where to start, I would greatly appreciate that.  Or
> even help discuss some of the obstacles that you encountered, and how
> to get it all without going insane.  Thank you guys for everything,
> and I look forward to talking to you soon.
>
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
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> et
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NCS Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant
Morro Bay High School Academic Enrichment Program (AEP), President


From dandrews at visi.com  Fri Feb  3 03:06:21 2017
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2017 21:06:21 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Sendero Announcements
Message-ID: <auto-000075729029@mailfront2.g2host.com>


>From: "Kim Casey" <kim at senderogroup.com>
>To: <kim at senderogroup.com>
>Subject: Sendero Announcements
>Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2017 17:10:32 -0800
>
>Greetings from Sendero!  The following is a lengthy email, but we have a lot
>of exciting news to share.
>
>
>Sendero announces that Mike May is stepping down as President and CEO and
>turning over the helm to Kim Casey who has been with Sendero since its
>founding in 1999.  Kim is well versed in all aspects of Sendero. Sheri
>Harding will be taking on more responsibilities as Sendero CFO. Both Kim and
>Sheri have been instrumental in writing and managing Sendero's grant
>projects of which, an indoor navigation grant is currently in progress. Go
>to http://senderogroup.com/wayfinding/indoornav.html for details on this
>exciting project to create a seamless indoor to outdoor accessible
>orientation solution.
>
>
>
>Beginning April 3, Mike May will become the new President and CEO of the
>Seattle Lighthouse for the Blind. The Lighthouse is an $80MM organization
>that employs over 400 people of which 260 are blind. Mike May will stay on
>as Chairman of the Sendero Board. Please join us in congratulating Mike in
>this new chapter of his life!
>
>
>
>Sendero will continue to lead the way with accessible navigation products.
>Stay tuned for 2017 map releases for our note-taker and PC GPS versions as
>well as new features for our iPhone GPS products.
>
>
>
>CSUN 2017 in San Diego is around the corner!  As always, we will have
>informational sessions in the Sendero/Sweetman Suite and we are scheduled
>for two CSUN session presentations. We will be posting our schedule and the
>sign-up sheet shortly at: http://senderogroup.com/news/csunform.asp.
>
>
>
>To encourage certified O&M instructors and technology trainers to introduce
>Seeing Eye GPS to students or clients, Sendero can provide a limited number
>of free app codes. To apply, visit http://senderogroup.com/about/segpsXT.asp
>
>
>
>
>
>Contact Sendero Group:
>http://www.senderogroup.com
>Phone: 1-888-757-6810



From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Fri Feb  3 04:24:59 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2017 20:24:59 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Excel Question
Message-ID: <2D0D2ABF-2863-4300-85BA-E6702954C2DB@gmail.com>

Hi,
I have a Dell laptop running Jaws 18. I am having an issue where I can't type into a cell after I have gone to another one. For example, if I'm typing in cell I9 and then accidentally arrow up to I8, then go back to I9, I can't resume typing because if I try to type something it will get rid of anything I originally wrote. Does anyone know how to get into typing mode?
Thanks,
Vejas  

From ka.yat.li at gmail.com  Fri Feb  3 04:53:31 2017
From: ka.yat.li at gmail.com (Ka Li)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2017 23:53:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Excel Question
In-Reply-To: <2D0D2ABF-2863-4300-85BA-E6702954C2DB@gmail.com>
References: <2D0D2ABF-2863-4300-85BA-E6702954C2DB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f599cbda-055a-c410-5c68-ba261579ca33@gmail.com>

Hi Vejas,

To enter into the typing mode press F2. Once you're done, hit enter.


On 2/2/2017 11:24 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote:
> Hi,
> I have a Dell laptop running Jaws 18. I am having an issue where I can't type into a cell after I have gone to another one. For example, if I'm typing in cell I9 and then accidentally arrow up to I8, then go back to I9, I can't resume typing because if I try to type something it will get rid of anything I originally wrote. Does anyone know how to get into typing mode?
> Thanks,
> Vejas
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From logan4447 at gmail.com  Fri Feb  3 04:54:25 2017
From: logan4447 at gmail.com (Logan Anderson)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2017 23:54:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] New to this
In-Reply-To: <CABP7S8MMk848nf5Ys4pkoL_uNCgitjYuZ+mvuk7L1xs+7uQh2A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH9ziw_ZFdvyH21J2FiY6WN_gwTxx46u+vUmdXxn_Qwah0CNKg@mail.gmail.com>
	<000c01d27dc1$a596f6a0$f0c4e3e0$@sbcglobal.net>
	<CABP7S8MMk848nf5Ys4pkoL_uNCgitjYuZ+mvuk7L1xs+7uQh2A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B38751FC-E31D-428E-9634-1434ACCF074F@gmail.com>

Hello,
I am in college chemistry and I have also not really taken it before this point. I got some really helpful feedback from this list. i also have a few strategies I have used in other cases.
 In the instance of atomic structures my professor and I agreed that she would build models of the structures using model kits. These kits are owned by the college, and they use them in upper division chemistry classes. They are pretty easy to find and can be made accessible in many different ways. The periodic table chart and booklet that were mentioned before are also really useful to me. The chart is laid out exactly as any other periodic table and the booklet supplements information about atomic mass and other information that may be important. If your teacher uses slideshows to teach the class it may be helpful to ask them to send you the copy of that slideshow. It makes it easier to follow along in class, and if you miss any notes you can check back at the notes used in lecture for the information you may have missed.
> On Feb 2, 2017, at 9:10 PM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> A periodic table will help immensely. There's one in Braille and large
> print that comes with a nice book. There's a whole Braille chemistry
> code too. It's not that hard if you know Nemeth, but there are some
> differences. For example, in a lot of cases, subscript signs aren't
> necessary, but sometimes they are. Same with number signs. The way I
> learned Chem code was just by reading my AP chem textbook, but don't
> use electronic Braille for that, of course. That's assuming that
> you're totally or almost totally blind, or that you're a Braille user.
> If you're not, the periodic table is still helpful and pretty
> universal. Memorize the different groups and families if you can. If
> you're beyond that, I'd start by looking at atomic structures so that
> you understand how atoms are arranged and stuff. That's really visual,
> but you can just memorize the orbittals and stuff. APH has some good
> manipulatives that will help with that.
> Obstacles? With science and blindness, there are lots of obstacles
> because it's relatively uncharted territory. I had a lot of issues
> when I took AP Chem, but I feel like telling you about all of them
> would be pretty discouraging, so I'll just say this. Be open to trying
> new things that aren't necessarily anything you've ever tried before.
> You have to sometimes get creative with this stuff. If you're able to
> do that, you can get a lot of places. Feel free to email me off list.
> 
> On 2/2/17, Jen via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>> Hi, C.J. Welcome to the list! My name is Jen, and I am a medical
>> transcription student.
>> 
>> Do you have a periodic table in braille or some other alternative format? I
>> had to memorize families of chemicals in high school...
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Craig Balster
>> via NABS-L
>> Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 2:06 PM
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>> Hello, my name is CJ, and I am new to list serv.  I am new to
>> blindness, but am not letting this slow me down on accomplishing goals
>> in my life that I would like to achieve.  Chemistry is what I am
>> interested in, and would like to become a chemical technician.  I
>> honestly don't even know where to begin.  If there is anybody who
>> could help me on where to start, I would greatly appreciate that.  Or
>> even help discuss some of the obstacles that you encountered, and how
>> to get it all without going insane.  Thank you guys for everything,
>> and I look forward to talking to you soon.
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From logan4447 at gmail.com  Fri Feb  3 04:59:02 2017
From: logan4447 at gmail.com (Logan Anderson)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2017 23:59:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Microsoft Programs on the Mac
Message-ID: <0B2D7FBD-8517-43F1-9ABE-C0D2A5B9AF67@gmail.com>

Hello all,
i have a question regarding the use of programs like Microsoft Excel and its equivalent on the Mac. 
Some of my classes this semester use Excel to create spreadsheets of data for the lab portion of my science classes. I am wondering if it is possible to use Excel on the Mac, or if there is a place where i can watch or read tutorials on how to do this. I am also wondering if there is a way I can learn how to use the numbers and keynote on the mac using voice-over. I have looked up the information and have been unable to find any.
Thank you,
Logan

From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Fri Feb  3 05:32:08 2017
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 00:32:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Microsoft Programs on the Mac
In-Reply-To: <0B2D7FBD-8517-43F1-9ABE-C0D2A5B9AF67@gmail.com>
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Hey Logan,

It is possible to use Microsoft Excel on the mac; though you have to
use the 2016 version because prior to that, accessibility was a
nightmare.
Check with your professor about using numbers instead of Excel because
sometimes, they will not accept any student using Numbers (mac
equivalent to Excel) because some formulas are input differently or
are either not available or have different names.
I'm not sure where you can find tutorials on how to use the products
with VoiceOver. I like to learn by trial and error so I barely use
tutorials.
Let us know how this turns out!
Christina

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 11:59 PM, Logan Anderson via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello all,
> i have a question regarding the use of programs like Microsoft Excel and its equivalent on the Mac.
> Some of my classes this semester use Excel to create spreadsheets of data for the lab portion of my science classes. I am wondering if it is possible to use Excel on the Mac, or if there is a place where i can watch or read tutorials on how to do this. I am also wondering if there is a way I can learn how to use the numbers and keynote on the mac using voice-over. I have looked up the information and have been unable to find any.
> Thank you,
> Logan
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From spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Feb  3 14:01:54 2017
From: spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net (Jen)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 09:01:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Excel Question
In-Reply-To: <2D0D2ABF-2863-4300-85BA-E6702954C2DB@gmail.com>
References: <2D0D2ABF-2863-4300-85BA-E6702954C2DB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000901d27e26$1563ba40$402b2ec0$@sbcglobal.net>

Hi Vejas,

Go into the cell, and press F2; it makes the cell editable. It's the same
keystroke to rename a file.

I hope this helps.

Jen

-----Original Message-----
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Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Excel Question

Hi,
I have a Dell laptop running Jaws 18. I am having an issue where I can't
type into a cell after I have gone to another one. For example, if I'm
typing in cell I9 and then accidentally arrow up to I8, then go back to I9,
I can't resume typing because if I try to type something it will get rid of
anything I originally wrote. Does anyone know how to get into typing mode?
Thanks,
Vejas  
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From jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com  Fri Feb  3 18:27:20 2017
From: jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com (Jason Polansky)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 13:27:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Excel Question
In-Reply-To: <000901d27e26$1563ba40$402b2ec0$@sbcglobal.net>
References: <2D0D2ABF-2863-4300-85BA-E6702954C2DB@gmail.com>
	<000901d27e26$1563ba40$402b2ec0$@sbcglobal.net>
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Hi Vejas, Yes, that's the nature of Excel. It automatically deletes what you typed in a cell if you leave it, go back to it, and type something else. The F2 key puts you in edit mode in which you can move through the text in the cell with your standard navigation commands. Pressing F2 again will take you out of edit mode so you can navigate between cells again. 

> On Feb 3, 2017, at 9:01 AM, Jen via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Vejas,
> 
> Go into the cell, and press F2; it makes the cell editable. It's the same
> keystroke to rename a file.
> 
> I hope this helps.
> 
> Jen
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
> Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 11:25 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Excel Question
> 
> Hi,
> I have a Dell laptop running Jaws 18. I am having an issue where I can't
> type into a cell after I have gone to another one. For example, if I'm
> typing in cell I9 and then accidentally arrow up to I8, then go back to I9,
> I can't resume typing because if I try to type something it will get rid of
> anything I originally wrote. Does anyone know how to get into typing mode?
> Thanks,
> Vejas  
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From bjduarte at asu.edu  Fri Feb  3 18:42:57 2017
From: bjduarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 11:42:57 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Update January February NABS Notes
Message-ID: <48090D2D-C0E4-4921-87A0-F8E2BA0C625B@asu.edu>

Hello NABS,

I wanted to let you all know that the NABS Board decided to combine the NABS Notes from January and February into one issue. With the busy schedule we all had with Washington Seminar, and all the successes we had on Capital Hill we felt it would be awesome to hear from each of your respective student divisions with these stories. If you have any questions about this or NABS Notes in general please feel free to reach out to me. Thank you all for everything you do and for meeting with us in collaborative action on Capital Hill this week! 

Bryan Duarte software engineer
ASU Computer Science Ph.D candidate
National Association of Blind Students Board Member
QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/ <http://www.qwikeyes.com/> 

“let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.”
-- St. Teresa of Avila


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Feb  3 19:32:40 2017
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 14:32:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Update January February NABS Notes
In-Reply-To: <48090D2D-C0E4-4921-87A0-F8E2BA0C625B@asu.edu>
References: <48090D2D-C0E4-4921-87A0-F8E2BA0C625B@asu.edu>
Message-ID: <57862572-26E7-453B-9742-6F1DAF605F3A@gmail.com>

The
 The link for the notes is not attached.
Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 3, 2017, at 1:42 PM, Bryan Duarte via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello NABS,
> 
> I wanted to let you all know that the NABS Board decided to combine the NABS Notes from January and February into one issue. With the busy schedule we all had with Washington Seminar, and all the successes we had on Capital Hill we felt it would be awesome to hear from each of your respective student divisions with these stories. If you have any questions about this or NABS Notes in general please feel free to reach out to me. Thank you all for everything you do and for meeting with us in collaborative action on Capital Hill this week! 
> 
> Bryan Duarte software engineer
> ASU Computer Science Ph.D candidate
> National Association of Blind Students Board Member
> QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/ <http://www.qwikeyes.com/> 
> 
> “let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.”
> -- St. Teresa of Avila
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From Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu  Fri Feb  3 19:38:52 2017
From: Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte (Student))
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 19:38:52 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Update January February NABS Notes
In-Reply-To: <57862572-26E7-453B-9742-6F1DAF605F3A@gmail.com>
References: <48090D2D-C0E4-4921-87A0-F8E2BA0C625B@asu.edu>
	<57862572-26E7-453B-9742-6F1DAF605F3A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <08C75DD7-B708-486C-9DD1-C649336C52F2@asu.edu>

Hello Roanna,

Yes that is correct there is no link included in this email. This email was to notify you all that NABS notes will not go out from January. The NABS notes from January and February will be combined into one and go out at the end of February. Sorry for the confusion. 
> On Feb 3, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> The
> The link for the notes is not attached.
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2017, at 1:42 PM, Bryan Duarte via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello NABS,
>> 
>> I wanted to let you all know that the NABS Board decided to combine the NABS Notes from January and February into one issue. With the busy schedule we all had with Washington Seminar, and all the successes we had on Capital Hill we felt it would be awesome to hear from each of your respective student divisions with these stories. If you have any questions about this or NABS Notes in general please feel free to reach out to me. Thank you all for everything you do and for meeting with us in collaborative action on Capital Hill this week! 
>> 
>> Bryan Duarte software engineer
>> ASU Computer Science Ph.D candidate
>> National Association of Blind Students Board Member
>> QwikEyes CEO https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.qwikeyes.com_&d=DQIGaQ&c=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU&r=5dCABYJ5CxvQOBhyYB2Rbvx93pYuHZ0o8bUuY2oCLno&m=TSGQoYI9h2-ubBw7kEQPUzvXQahWwEC6D2Z89xgxMKo&s=D53MrrlG6ADNhi7LM9WcJISlH2yDpf0INthCfKz9ZPI&e=  <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.qwikeyes.com_&d=DQIGaQ&c=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU&r=5dCABYJ5CxvQOBhyYB2Rbvx93pYuHZ0o8bUuY2oCLno&m=TSGQoYI9h2-ubBw7kEQPUzvXQahWwEC6D2Z89xgxMKo&s=D53MrrlG6ADNhi7LM9WcJISlH2yDpf0INthCfKz9ZPI&e= > 
>> 
>> “let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.”
>> -- St. Teresa of Avila
>> 
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From codybeardslee at gmail.com  Fri Feb  3 20:24:14 2017
From: codybeardslee at gmail.com (Cody Beardslee)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 14:24:14 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Update January February NABS Notes
In-Reply-To: <08C75DD7-B708-486C-9DD1-C649336C52F2@asu.edu>
References: <48090D2D-C0E4-4921-87A0-F8E2BA0C625B@asu.edu>
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When is the date for the updates to be turned in by?





Cody Beardslee
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Board Member, National Federation of the Blind of Minnesota 
Phone: 763-291-3711
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> On Feb 3, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Bryan Duarte (Student) via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Roanna,
> 
> Yes that is correct there is no link included in this email. This email was to notify you all that NABS notes will not go out from January. The NABS notes from January and February will be combined into one and go out at the end of February. Sorry for the confusion. 
>> On Feb 3, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> The
>> The link for the notes is not attached.
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2017, at 1:42 PM, Bryan Duarte via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello NABS,
>>> 
>>> I wanted to let you all know that the NABS Board decided to combine the NABS Notes from January and February into one issue. With the busy schedule we all had with Washington Seminar, and all the successes we had on Capital Hill we felt it would be awesome to hear from each of your respective student divisions with these stories. If you have any questions about this or NABS Notes in general please feel free to reach out to me. Thank you all for everything you do and for meeting with us in collaborative action on Capital Hill this week! 
>>> 
>>> Bryan Duarte software engineer
>>> ASU Computer Science Ph.D candidate
>>> National Association of Blind Students Board Member
>>> QwikEyes CEO https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.qwikeyes.com_&d=DQIGaQ&c=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU&r=5dCABYJ5CxvQOBhyYB2Rbvx93pYuHZ0o8bUuY2oCLno&m=TSGQoYI9h2-ubBw7kEQPUzvXQahWwEC6D2Z89xgxMKo&s=D53MrrlG6ADNhi7LM9WcJISlH2yDpf0INthCfKz9ZPI&e=  <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.qwikeyes.com_&d=DQIGaQ&c=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU&r=5dCABYJ5CxvQOBhyYB2Rbvx93pYuHZ0o8bUuY2oCLno&m=TSGQoYI9h2-ubBw7kEQPUzvXQahWwEC6D2Z89xgxMKo&s=D53MrrlG6ADNhi7LM9WcJISlH2yDpf0INthCfKz9ZPI&e= > 
>>> 
>>> “let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.”
>>> -- St. Teresa of Avila
>>> 
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From Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu  Fri Feb  3 20:35:55 2017
From: Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte (Student))
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 20:35:55 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Update January February NABS Notes
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Hello Cody,

I will be sending an email out to all student division presidents on the 15th of February and they are due on the 25th.

Thank you,
Bryan Duarte | software engineer
ASU Computer Science Ph.D Student
National Association of Blind Students | Board Member
Arizona Association of Blind Students | President
QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/

“let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.”
-- St. Teresa of Avila

On Feb 3, 2017, at 1:24 PM, Cody Beardslee via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

When is the date for the updates to be turned in by?





Cody Beardslee
President, Minnesota Association of Blind Students
Board Member, National Federation of the Blind of Minnesota
Phone: 763-291-3711
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The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can have the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.



On Feb 3, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Bryan Duarte (Student) via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

Hello Roanna,

Yes that is correct there is no link included in this email. This email was to notify you all that NABS notes will not go out from January. The NABS notes from January and February will be combined into one and go out at the end of February. Sorry for the confusion.
On Feb 3, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

The
The link for the notes is not attached.
Sent from my iPad

On Feb 3, 2017, at 1:42 PM, Bryan Duarte via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

Hello NABS,

I wanted to let you all know that the NABS Board decided to combine the NABS Notes from January and February into one issue. With the busy schedule we all had with Washington Seminar, and all the successes we had on Capital Hill we felt it would be awesome to hear from each of your respective student divisions with these stories. If you have any questions about this or NABS Notes in general please feel free to reach out to me. Thank you all for everything you do and for meeting with us in collaborative action on Capital Hill this week!

Bryan Duarte software engineer
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Sat Feb  4 00:24:30 2017
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 17:24:30 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] New to this
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There are many ways of adapting things.  Honestly, chemistry is not that visual.  People learning chemistry don't see things on an atomic level anyway.  It's just that it is taught visually because that is what people are used to doing.  
There are many resources and options.  This is a matter of creative problem solving.  It's totally doable, although not the easiest thing in the world...
For the sake of my time, I will contact you off-list to further discuss personalized options.
Welcome to the list.

Anna E Givens

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> On Feb 2, 2017, at 9:54 PM, Logan Anderson via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I am in college chemistry and I have also not really taken it before this point. I got some really helpful feedback from this list. i also have a few strategies I have used in other cases.
> In the instance of atomic structures my professor and I agreed that she would build models of the structures using model kits. These kits are owned by the college, and they use them in upper division chemistry classes. They are pretty easy to find and can be made accessible in many different ways. The periodic table chart and booklet that were mentioned before are also really useful to me. The chart is laid out exactly as any other periodic table and the booklet supplements information about atomic mass and other information that may be important. If your teacher uses slideshows to teach the class it may be helpful to ask them to send you the copy of that slideshow. It makes it easier to follow along in class, and if you miss any notes you can check back at the notes used in lecture for the information you may have missed.
>> On Feb 2, 2017, at 9:10 PM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> A periodic table will help immensely. There's one in Braille and large
>> print that comes with a nice book. There's a whole Braille chemistry
>> code too. It's not that hard if you know Nemeth, but there are some
>> differences. For example, in a lot of cases, subscript signs aren't
>> necessary, but sometimes they are. Same with number signs. The way I
>> learned Chem code was just by reading my AP chem textbook, but don't
>> use electronic Braille for that, of course. That's assuming that
>> you're totally or almost totally blind, or that you're a Braille user.
>> If you're not, the periodic table is still helpful and pretty
>> universal. Memorize the different groups and families if you can. If
>> you're beyond that, I'd start by looking at atomic structures so that
>> you understand how atoms are arranged and stuff. That's really visual,
>> but you can just memorize the orbittals and stuff. APH has some good
>> manipulatives that will help with that.
>> Obstacles? With science and blindness, there are lots of obstacles
>> because it's relatively uncharted territory. I had a lot of issues
>> when I took AP Chem, but I feel like telling you about all of them
>> would be pretty discouraging, so I'll just say this. Be open to trying
>> new things that aren't necessarily anything you've ever tried before.
>> You have to sometimes get creative with this stuff. If you're able to
>> do that, you can get a lot of places. Feel free to email me off list.
>> 
>>> On 2/2/17, Jen via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>> Hi, C.J. Welcome to the list! My name is Jen, and I am a medical
>>> transcription student.
>>> 
>>> Do you have a periodic table in braille or some other alternative format? I
>>> had to memorize families of chemicals in high school...
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Craig Balster
>>> via NABS-L
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 2:06 PM
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: Craig Balster <unoiwin21 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] New to this
>>> 
>>> Hello, my name is CJ, and I am new to list serv.  I am new to
>>> blindness, but am not letting this slow me down on accomplishing goals
>>> in my life that I would like to achieve.  Chemistry is what I am
>>> interested in, and would like to become a chemical technician.  I
>>> honestly don't even know where to begin.  If there is anybody who
>>> could help me on where to start, I would greatly appreciate that.  Or
>>> even help discuss some of the obstacles that you encountered, and how
>>> to get it all without going insane.  Thank you guys for everything,
>>> and I look forward to talking to you soon.
>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Best,
>> Cricket X. Bidleman
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Sat Feb  4 04:51:09 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 20:51:09 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Cane Tips
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Hi,
Does anyone know if it is possible to tighten a very loose cane tip? My tip  still has its rubber and metal intact, but has been getting looser and looser. Previously as an LCB student one of the instructors made a bullet tip, but I do not have that cane anymore. Anyone have any ideas?
Thanks,
Vejas 

From dandrews at visi.com  Sat Feb  4 05:10:43 2017
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2017 23:10:43 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Excel Question
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Try pressing F2 (edit).

Dave

At 10:24 PM 2/2/2017, you wrote:
>Hi,
>I have a Dell laptop running Jaws 18. I am having an issue where I 
>can't type into a cell after I have gone to another one. For 
>example, if I'm typing in cell I9 and then accidentally arrow up to 
>I8, then go back to I9, I can't resume typing because if I try to 
>type something it will get rid of anything I originally wrote. Does 
>anyone know how to get into typing mode?
>Thanks,
>Vejas



From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com  Sat Feb  4 05:58:17 2017
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie P.)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 22:58:17 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Cane Tips
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Hi Vejas,

Aside from replacing just the rubber part, I don't think there's anything you can do to make the tip itself tighter. Rubber has a lot of elasticity, and just like a spring gets weak and uncoiled over time, the rubber will loosen up. What you can do, though, is put something around the bolt at the end of your cane where the tip attaches to make it thicker, so a looser tip will still grip it tightly. One way to do this would be to wrap the bolt head with duck tape, or grip tape. Really, though, once you start considering modifications that involve buying supplies you don't already have on hand, it makes more sense to just buy a new tip. 

-Jamie

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> On Feb 3, 2017, at 21:51, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Does anyone know if it is possible to tighten a very loose cane tip? My tip  still has its rubber and metal intact, but has been getting looser and looser. Previously as an LCB student one of the instructors made a bullet tip, but I do not have that cane anymore. Anyone have any ideas?
> Thanks,
> Vejas 
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From sawhney.kartik at gmail.com  Sat Feb  4 09:25:20 2017
From: sawhney.kartik at gmail.com (Kartik Sawhney)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2017 01:25:20 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Applications for the Microsoft disAbility Scholarship Fund
 2017/18
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Forwarding this email from Microsoft regarding their disability
scholarship program.

---------

Hi Everyone!

The Microsoft disability Scholarship was established in 2013 to
support students with disabilities headed to college, increase the
enrollment of persons living with a disability in higher education and
decrease unemployment bias for disabled persons. The scholarship is
employee funded and eligible for match through The Seattle Foundation.
To-date we have awarded 10 students a $5k scholarship as they start
college. Our big announcement for the 2017/2018 school year - we are
adjusting the scholarship to a renewable, $5k/year award (up to $20k)
having a bigger impact for our recipients!

It's time for eligible high school students to submit their
applications for the 2017/18 Microsoft disAbility Scholarship Fund at
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/diversity/programs/microsoftdisabilityscholarship.aspx.


From awildheir at gmail.com  Mon Feb  6 03:27:59 2017
From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood)
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2017 22:27:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] K1000 and Braille displays
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Hi guys,

Do any of you use Kurzweil 1000 with a refreshable braille display? If you do, is there anyway to get the line underneath everything to go away? And is there a way to type in grade to braille instead of grade one? 

I would also be interested in any other tips and tricks you utilize with a brill display in Kurzweil 1000. Thanks a bunch in advance.

Aimee

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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Mon Feb  6 17:50:00 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2017 12:50:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] jaws 18
Message-ID: <00d001d280a1$70422a00$50c67e00$@gmail.com>

So, I'm about to load jaws 18.  Should I just activate the 17 I have, or
should I just download the 18? In other words, how stable is the latest
version of jaws 18? Are their any bugs I should know about before loading
it?

Justin


From sarah at sarahblakelarose.com  Mon Feb  6 18:22:16 2017
From: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com (sarah at sarahblakelarose.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2017 13:22:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] jaws 18
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There is no harm in leaving your JAWS 17 active until you feel comfortable
with how JAWS 18 is running. Just assign JAWS 18 a different hotkey to start
so you can choose which one to run if you want to be able to run both for
comparison. The release versions are generally stable, though updates are
released throughout the year that address minor issues. This is common with
all versions of JAWS--I have been using it since the dark days of Windows
95.

HTH. Let me know if I can help with anything else.


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Subject: [nabs-l] jaws 18

So, I'm about to load jaws 18.  Should I just activate the 17 I have, or
should I just download the 18? In other words, how stable is the latest
version of jaws 18? Are their any bugs I should know about before loading
it?

Justin

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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Mon Feb  6 19:33:15 2017
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2017 13:33:15 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] K1000 and Braille displays
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Aimee:

These settings should have to do more with your screen reader than with
Kurzweil itself. As I understand it, Kurzweil is merely an OCR software, and
your screen reader is the program which is actually reading the text or
translating it to your Braille display. Therefore, I would check your screen
reader's Braille settings. If you're using JAWS, these can be easily found
in the startup wizard.

HTH,

Chris

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Subject: [nabs-l] K1000 and Braille displays

Hi guys,

Do any of you use Kurzweil 1000 with a refreshable braille display? If you
do, is there anyway to get the line underneath everything to go away? And is
there a way to type in grade to braille instead of grade one? 

I would also be interested in any other tips and tricks you utilize with a
brill display in Kurzweil 1000. Thanks a bunch in advance.

Aimee

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From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  7 03:07:21 2017
From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron)
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2017 22:07:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] writing and incomplete sentences, and other problems
Message-ID: <072d01d280ef$4ccf5180$e66df480$@gmail.com>

Hey guys,

Do any of you have this problem? You are writing say a blog post, research
paper, book, etc. You look over the document and the flow is good and
everything sounds good to you. However, when you let someone else look at it
they see incomplete sentences among other things. How do you guys work
around this? Are there any accessible tools that will help with these
issues? How do you go about proofreading with a screen reader?

 

Thanks,

Aaron Linson 

CEO Blind Faith Project <http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject> 

CEO Linson Productions

 

Aaron Linson 

 


From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  7 03:23:22 2017
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2017 22:23:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] writing and incomplete sentences, and other problems
Message-ID: <58993dc5.8430810a.a484b.6134@mx.google.com>

If you know you have this problem, try reading sentence by 
sentence instead of reading continuously from the curser or by 
paragraph.  If the screen reader reads you a sentence that 
doesn't include a subject and a predicate, you'll know to fix it.  
You might also set your screen reader to read more punctuation so 
you know where the periods, commas, and semicolons are when 
you're listening to what you've written.  I don't use Word, but 
its grammar check should also catch this if it's accessible.

HTH,
Karl

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Date sent: Mon, 6 Feb 2017 22:07:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] writing and incomplete sentences, and other 
problems

Hey guys,

Do any of you have this problem? You are writing say a blog post, 
research
paper, book, etc. You look over the document and the flow is good 
and
everything sounds good to you. However, when you let someone else 
look at it
they see incomplete sentences among other things. How do you guys 
work
around this? Are there any accessible tools that will help with 
these
issues? How do you go about proofreading with a screen reader?



Thanks,

Aaron Linson

CEO Blind Faith Project 
<http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject

CEO Linson Productions



Aaron Linson



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From emitchell927 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  7 03:40:47 2017
From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2017 22:40:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] writing and incomplete sentences, and other problems
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Yes all the time and I have the same problem 
Emma

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> On Feb 6, 2017, at 10:07 PM, Aaron via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> Do any of you have this problem? You are writing say a blog post, research
> paper, book, etc. You look over the document and the flow is good and
> everything sounds good to you. However, when you let someone else look at it
> they see incomplete sentences among other things. How do you guys work
> around this? Are there any accessible tools that will help with these
> issues? How do you go about proofreading with a screen reader?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Aaron Linson 
> 
> CEO Blind Faith Project <http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject> 
> 
> CEO Linson Productions
> 
> 
> 
> Aaron Linson 
> 
> 
> 
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From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  7 03:44:22 2017
From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron)
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2017 22:44:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] writing and incomplete sentences, and other problems
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References: <072d01d280ef$4ccf5180$e66df480$@gmail.com>
	<2AC55544-BAAE-4CE4-8196-BA389B0EF5EF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <073601d280f4$78477450$68d65cf0$@gmail.com>

Yeah it's annoying, when you say predicate or whatever that was LOL, I don't
even know what that is. I find the screen reader all punctuation annoying
and not really helpful. I just get confused. 

Thanks,
Aaron Linson 
CEO Blind Faith Project
CEO Linson Productions

Aaron Linson 

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Yes all the time and I have the same problem Emma

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 6, 2017, at 10:07 PM, Aaron via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> Do any of you have this problem? You are writing say a blog post, 
> research paper, book, etc. You look over the document and the flow is 
> good and everything sounds good to you. However, when you let someone 
> else look at it they see incomplete sentences among other things. How 
> do you guys work around this? Are there any accessible tools that will 
> help with these issues? How do you go about proofreading with a screen
reader?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Aaron Linson
> 
> CEO Blind Faith Project <http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject>
> 
> CEO Linson Productions
> 
> 
> 
> Aaron Linson
> 
> 
> 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  7 04:19:15 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2017 23:19:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] writing and incomplete sentences, and other problems
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References: <072d01d280ef$4ccf5180$e66df480$@gmail.com>
	<2AC55544-BAAE-4CE4-8196-BA389B0EF5EF@gmail.com>
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The first thing I do is write everything in word, then copy and paste it to
the blogg post.  Word lets you edit better.  Copying it may mess up the
format, but I'm not sure how to control that.  You can go into JAWS
verbosity and mess around with the settings so it tells you when sentences
aren't complete, and just about everything else.  Also, you can try using
text analyzer, though I've never used it before.  If you have a braille
display, you can use that to check behind yourself.  Also, another method, I
used was just to write a few paragraphs, then do your editing.  After that,
write a few more and then do your editing.
 Justin

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Yes all the time and I have the same problem Emma

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 6, 2017, at 10:07 PM, Aaron via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> Do any of you have this problem? You are writing say a blog post, 
> research paper, book, etc. You look over the document and the flow is 
> good and everything sounds good to you. However, when you let someone 
> else look at it they see incomplete sentences among other things. How 
> do you guys work around this? Are there any accessible tools that will 
> help with these issues? How do you go about proofreading with a screen
reader?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Aaron Linson
> 
> CEO Blind Faith Project <http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject>
> 
> CEO Linson Productions
> 
> 
> 
> Aaron Linson
> 
> 
> 
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From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  7 04:39:27 2017
From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron)
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2017 23:39:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] writing and incomplete sentences, and other problems
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	<01c301d280f9$58490c40$08db24c0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <074e01d280fc$2a6dd280$7f497780$@gmail.com>

Is there an analyzer for using NVDA? I'm a convert from JAWS.

Thanks,
Aaron Linson 
CEO Blind Faith Project
CEO Linson Productions

Aaron Linson 


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The first thing I do is write everything in word, then copy and paste it to
the blogg post.  Word lets you edit better.  Copying it may mess up the
format, but I'm not sure how to control that.  You can go into JAWS
verbosity and mess around with the settings so it tells you when sentences
aren't complete, and just about everything else.  Also, you can try using
text analyzer, though I've never used it before.  If you have a braille
display, you can use that to check behind yourself.  Also, another method, I
used was just to write a few paragraphs, then do your editing.  After that,
write a few more and then do your editing.
 Justin

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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] writing and incomplete sentences, and other problems

Yes all the time and I have the same problem Emma

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 6, 2017, at 10:07 PM, Aaron via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> Do any of you have this problem? You are writing say a blog post, 
> research paper, book, etc. You look over the document and the flow is 
> good and everything sounds good to you. However, when you let someone 
> else look at it they see incomplete sentences among other things. How 
> do you guys work around this? Are there any accessible tools that will 
> help with these issues? How do you go about proofreading with a screen
reader?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Aaron Linson
> 
> CEO Blind Faith Project <http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject>
> 
> CEO Linson Productions
> 
> 
> 
> Aaron Linson
> 
> 
> 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  7 04:41:23 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2017 23:41:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] writing and incomplete sentences, and other problems
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References: <072d01d280ef$4ccf5180$e66df480$@gmail.com>	<2AC55544-BAAE-4CE4-8196-BA389B0EF5EF@gmail.com>	<01c301d280f9$58490c40$08db24c0$@gmail.com>
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I'm not sure.
 Justin

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Is there an analyzer for using NVDA? I'm a convert from JAWS.

Thanks,
Aaron Linson
CEO Blind Faith Project
CEO Linson Productions

Aaron Linson 


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The first thing I do is write everything in word, then copy and paste it to
the blogg post.  Word lets you edit better.  Copying it may mess up the
format, but I'm not sure how to control that.  You can go into JAWS
verbosity and mess around with the settings so it tells you when sentences
aren't complete, and just about everything else.  Also, you can try using
text analyzer, though I've never used it before.  If you have a braille
display, you can use that to check behind yourself.  Also, another method, I
used was just to write a few paragraphs, then do your editing.  After that,
write a few more and then do your editing.
 Justin

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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] writing and incomplete sentences, and other problems

Yes all the time and I have the same problem Emma

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 6, 2017, at 10:07 PM, Aaron via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> Do any of you have this problem? You are writing say a blog post, 
> research paper, book, etc. You look over the document and the flow is 
> good and everything sounds good to you. However, when you let someone 
> else look at it they see incomplete sentences among other things. How 
> do you guys work around this? Are there any accessible tools that will 
> help with these issues? How do you go about proofreading with a screen
reader?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Aaron Linson
> 
> CEO Blind Faith Project <http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject>
> 
> CEO Linson Productions
> 
> 
> 
> Aaron Linson
> 
> 
> 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  7 04:41:43 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2017 23:41:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] writing and incomplete sentences, and other problems
In-Reply-To: <074e01d280fc$2a6dd280$7f497780$@gmail.com>
References: <072d01d280ef$4ccf5180$e66df480$@gmail.com>	<2AC55544-BAAE-4CE4-8196-BA389B0EF5EF@gmail.com>	<01c301d280f9$58490c40$08db24c0$@gmail.com>
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Look for an extention to download.
 Justin

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Is there an analyzer for using NVDA? I'm a convert from JAWS.

Thanks,
Aaron Linson
CEO Blind Faith Project
CEO Linson Productions

Aaron Linson 


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The first thing I do is write everything in word, then copy and paste it to
the blogg post.  Word lets you edit better.  Copying it may mess up the
format, but I'm not sure how to control that.  You can go into JAWS
verbosity and mess around with the settings so it tells you when sentences
aren't complete, and just about everything else.  Also, you can try using
text analyzer, though I've never used it before.  If you have a braille
display, you can use that to check behind yourself.  Also, another method, I
used was just to write a few paragraphs, then do your editing.  After that,
write a few more and then do your editing.
 Justin

-----Original Message-----
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Yes all the time and I have the same problem Emma

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 6, 2017, at 10:07 PM, Aaron via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> Do any of you have this problem? You are writing say a blog post, 
> research paper, book, etc. You look over the document and the flow is 
> good and everything sounds good to you. However, when you let someone 
> else look at it they see incomplete sentences among other things. How 
> do you guys work around this? Are there any accessible tools that will 
> help with these issues? How do you go about proofreading with a screen
reader?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Aaron Linson
> 
> CEO Blind Faith Project <http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject>
> 
> CEO Linson Productions
> 
> 
> 
> Aaron Linson
> 
> 
> 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  7 04:41:57 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2017 23:41:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] writing and incomplete sentences, and other problems
In-Reply-To: <074e01d280fc$2a6dd280$7f497780$@gmail.com>
References: <072d01d280ef$4ccf5180$e66df480$@gmail.com>	<2AC55544-BAAE-4CE4-8196-BA389B0EF5EF@gmail.com>	<01c301d280f9$58490c40$08db24c0$@gmail.com>
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The proper term might be add on.
 Justin

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Is there an analyzer for using NVDA? I'm a convert from JAWS.

Thanks,
Aaron Linson
CEO Blind Faith Project
CEO Linson Productions

Aaron Linson 


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The first thing I do is write everything in word, then copy and paste it to
the blogg post.  Word lets you edit better.  Copying it may mess up the
format, but I'm not sure how to control that.  You can go into JAWS
verbosity and mess around with the settings so it tells you when sentences
aren't complete, and just about everything else.  Also, you can try using
text analyzer, though I've never used it before.  If you have a braille
display, you can use that to check behind yourself.  Also, another method, I
used was just to write a few paragraphs, then do your editing.  After that,
write a few more and then do your editing.
 Justin

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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] writing and incomplete sentences, and other problems

Yes all the time and I have the same problem Emma

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 6, 2017, at 10:07 PM, Aaron via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> Do any of you have this problem? You are writing say a blog post, 
> research paper, book, etc. You look over the document and the flow is 
> good and everything sounds good to you. However, when you let someone 
> else look at it they see incomplete sentences among other things. How 
> do you guys work around this? Are there any accessible tools that will 
> help with these issues? How do you go about proofreading with a screen
reader?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Aaron Linson
> 
> CEO Blind Faith Project <http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject>
> 
> CEO Linson Productions
> 
> 
> 
> Aaron Linson
> 
> 
> 
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From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  7 04:42:48 2017
From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron)
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2017 23:42:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] writing and incomplete sentences, and other problems
In-Reply-To: <01c801d280fc$6fb6a380$4f23ea80$@gmail.com>
References: <072d01d280ef$4ccf5180$e66df480$@gmail.com>	<2AC55544-BAAE-4CE4-8196-BA389B0EF5EF@gmail.com>	<01c301d280f9$58490c40$08db24c0$@gmail.com>	<074e01d280fc$2a6dd280$7f497780$@gmail.com>
	<01c801d280fc$6fb6a380$4f23ea80$@gmail.com>
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Thanks man for the help. 

Thanks,
Aaron Linson 
CEO Blind Faith Project
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Aaron Linson 


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I'm not sure.
 Justin

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Is there an analyzer for using NVDA? I'm a convert from JAWS.

Thanks,
Aaron Linson
CEO Blind Faith Project
CEO Linson Productions

Aaron Linson 


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The first thing I do is write everything in word, then copy and paste it to
the blogg post.  Word lets you edit better.  Copying it may mess up the
format, but I'm not sure how to control that.  You can go into JAWS
verbosity and mess around with the settings so it tells you when sentences
aren't complete, and just about everything else.  Also, you can try using
text analyzer, though I've never used it before.  If you have a braille
display, you can use that to check behind yourself.  Also, another method, I
used was just to write a few paragraphs, then do your editing.  After that,
write a few more and then do your editing.
 Justin

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Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 10:41 PM
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Cc: Emma Mitchell <emitchell927 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] writing and incomplete sentences, and other problems

Yes all the time and I have the same problem Emma

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 6, 2017, at 10:07 PM, Aaron via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> Do any of you have this problem? You are writing say a blog post, 
> research paper, book, etc. You look over the document and the flow is 
> good and everything sounds good to you. However, when you let someone 
> else look at it they see incomplete sentences among other things. How 
> do you guys work around this? Are there any accessible tools that will 
> help with these issues? How do you go about proofreading with a screen
reader?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Aaron Linson
> 
> CEO Blind Faith Project <http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject>
> 
> CEO Linson Productions
> 
> 
> 
> Aaron Linson
> 
> 
> 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  7 04:45:20 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2017 23:45:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] writing and incomplete sentences, and other problems
In-Reply-To: <074e01d280fc$2a6dd280$7f497780$@gmail.com>
References: <072d01d280ef$4ccf5180$e66df480$@gmail.com>	<2AC55544-BAAE-4CE4-8196-BA389B0EF5EF@gmail.com>	<01c301d280f9$58490c40$08db24c0$@gmail.com>
	<074e01d280fc$2a6dd280$7f497780$@gmail.com>
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You're welcome, it was my pleasure.
Justin

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Is there an analyzer for using NVDA? I'm a convert from JAWS.

Thanks,
Aaron Linson
CEO Blind Faith Project
CEO Linson Productions

Aaron Linson 


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The first thing I do is write everything in word, then copy and paste it to
the blogg post.  Word lets you edit better.  Copying it may mess up the
format, but I'm not sure how to control that.  You can go into JAWS
verbosity and mess around with the settings so it tells you when sentences
aren't complete, and just about everything else.  Also, you can try using
text analyzer, though I've never used it before.  If you have a braille
display, you can use that to check behind yourself.  Also, another method, I
used was just to write a few paragraphs, then do your editing.  After that,
write a few more and then do your editing.
 Justin

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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] writing and incomplete sentences, and other problems

Yes all the time and I have the same problem Emma

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 6, 2017, at 10:07 PM, Aaron via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> Do any of you have this problem? You are writing say a blog post, 
> research paper, book, etc. You look over the document and the flow is 
> good and everything sounds good to you. However, when you let someone 
> else look at it they see incomplete sentences among other things. How 
> do you guys work around this? Are there any accessible tools that will 
> help with these issues? How do you go about proofreading with a screen
reader?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Aaron Linson
> 
> CEO Blind Faith Project <http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject>
> 
> CEO Linson Productions
> 
> 
> 
> Aaron Linson
> 
> 
> 
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  7 04:54:39 2017
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2017 23:54:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] writing and incomplete sentences, and other problems
Message-ID: <5899532b.8831810a.f72ce.6810@mx.google.com>

A predicate is basically the verb and whatever other words go 
along with it.  A complete sentence has to have at least a verb 
(action or being) and a subject (the person, place, thing, or 
idea doing the action or existing).  You can find everything you 
ever wanted to know about writing mechanics here, 
<https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/section/1/4/>.  You might 
find the section on sentence fragments particularly helpful among 
other things.

 ----- Original Message -----
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<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 6 Feb 2017 22:44:22 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] writing and incomplete sentences, and other 
problems

Yeah it's annoying, when you say predicate or whatever that was 
LOL, I don't
even know what that is. I find the screen reader all punctuation 
annoying
and not really helpful. I just get confused.

Thanks,
Aaron Linson
CEO Blind Faith Project
CEO Linson Productions

Aaron Linson

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problems

Yes all the time and I have the same problem Emma

Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 6, 2017, at 10:07 PM, Aaron via NABS-L 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hey guys,

 Do any of you have this problem? You are writing say a blog 
post,
 research paper, book, etc. You look over the document and the 
flow is
 good and everything sounds good to you. However, when you let 
someone
 else look at it they see incomplete sentences among other 
things. How
 do you guys work around this? Are there any accessible tools 
that will
 help with these issues? How do you go about proofreading with a 
screen
reader?



 Thanks,

 Aaron Linson

 CEO Blind Faith Project 
<http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject

 CEO Linson Productions



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From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  7 05:26:08 2017
From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2017 00:26:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] writing and incomplete sentences, and other problems
In-Reply-To: <5899532b.8831810a.f72ce.6810@mx.google.com>
References: <5899532b.8831810a.f72ce.6810@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <000201d28102$b0883580$1198a080$@gmail.com>

Thanks, I know that I should understand all of this. However, I have always
struggled with English and understanding everything that goes along with it.

Thanks,
Aaron Linson 
CEO Blind Faith Project
CEO Linson Productions

Aaron Linson 

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Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] writing and incomplete sentences, and other problems

A predicate is basically the verb and whatever other words go along with it.
A complete sentence has to have at least a verb (action or being) and a
subject (the person, place, thing, or idea doing the action or existing).
You can find everything you ever wanted to know about writing mechanics
here, <https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/section/1/4/>.  You might find the
section on sentence fragments particularly helpful among other things.

 ----- Original Message -----
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<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 6 Feb 2017 22:44:22 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] writing and incomplete sentences, and other problems

Yeah it's annoying, when you say predicate or whatever that was LOL, I don't
even know what that is. I find the screen reader all punctuation annoying
and not really helpful. I just get confused.

Thanks,
Aaron Linson
CEO Blind Faith Project
CEO Linson Productions

Aaron Linson

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Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 10:41 PM
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Cc: Emma Mitchell <emitchell927 at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] writing and incomplete sentences, and other problems

Yes all the time and I have the same problem Emma

Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 6, 2017, at 10:07 PM, Aaron via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hey guys,

 Do any of you have this problem? You are writing say a blog post,  research
paper, book, etc. You look over the document and the flow is  good and
everything sounds good to you. However, when you let someone  else look at
it they see incomplete sentences among other things. How  do you guys work
around this? Are there any accessible tools that will  help with these
issues? How do you go about proofreading with a screen reader?



 Thanks,

 Aaron Linson

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<http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject

 CEO Linson Productions



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From bestca21 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  7 12:19:59 2017
From: bestca21 at gmail.com (Keight Best)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2017 04:19:59 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] epubs
Message-ID: <CAJ=wgVqdyXj9ij56rL=Yw9madPk6M2YpciaSJtWhF+we+bH=Rg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,
I believe this question has already been asked, but I can't quite
remember... What is the best way to read an epub using a PC with any
Internet browser is okay?
Thank you for your help.
Caitlin Best


From sarah at sarahblakelarose.com  Tue Feb  7 13:22:55 2017
From: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com (sarah at sarahblakelarose.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2017 08:22:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] writing and incomplete sentences, and other problems
In-Reply-To: <072d01d280ef$4ccf5180$e66df480$@gmail.com>
References: <072d01d280ef$4ccf5180$e66df480$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002601d28145$4bbc8be0$e335a3a0$@sarahblakelarose.com>

Set your screen reader so that it reads punctuation to you. Also, have
someone work with you on some of your pieces so that you can become used to
some of the types of errors you are making and catch them in your writing
process.

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Hey guys,

Do any of you have this problem? You are writing say a blog post, research
paper, book, etc. You look over the document and the flow is good and
everything sounds good to you. However, when you let someone else look at it
they see incomplete sentences among other things. How do you guys work
around this? Are there any accessible tools that will help with these
issues? How do you go about proofreading with a screen reader?

 

Thanks,

Aaron Linson 

CEO Blind Faith Project <http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject> 

CEO Linson Productions

 

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From sarah at sarahblakelarose.com  Tue Feb  7 13:26:00 2017
From: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com (sarah at sarahblakelarose.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2017 08:26:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] writing and incomplete sentences, and other problems
In-Reply-To: <076b01d280fc$a2973c60$e7c5b520$@gmail.com>
References: <072d01d280ef$4ccf5180$e66df480$@gmail.com>	<2AC55544-BAAE-4CE4-8196-BA389B0EF5EF@gmail.com>	<01c301d280f9$58490c40$08db24c0$@gmail.com>	<074e01d280fc$2a6dd280$7f497780$@gmail.com>	<01c801d280fc$6fb6a380$4f23ea80$@gmail.com>
	<076b01d280fc$a2973c60$e7c5b520$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002f01d28145$ba172050$2e4560f0$@sarahblakelarose.com>

Also, if you are not familiar with grammar structure, I highly recommend
fixing this. It will greatly improve your writing. Bookshare has some
excellent grammar helps you can use.


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Thanks man for the help. 

Thanks,
Aaron Linson
CEO Blind Faith Project
CEO Linson Productions

Aaron Linson 


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I'm not sure.
 Justin

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Is there an analyzer for using NVDA? I'm a convert from JAWS.

Thanks,
Aaron Linson
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Aaron Linson 


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The first thing I do is write everything in word, then copy and paste it to
the blogg post.  Word lets you edit better.  Copying it may mess up the
format, but I'm not sure how to control that.  You can go into JAWS
verbosity and mess around with the settings so it tells you when sentences
aren't complete, and just about everything else.  Also, you can try using
text analyzer, though I've never used it before.  If you have a braille
display, you can use that to check behind yourself.  Also, another method, I
used was just to write a few paragraphs, then do your editing.  After that,
write a few more and then do your editing.
 Justin

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Yes all the time and I have the same problem Emma

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 6, 2017, at 10:07 PM, Aaron via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> Do any of you have this problem? You are writing say a blog post, 
> research paper, book, etc. You look over the document and the flow is 
> good and everything sounds good to you. However, when you let someone 
> else look at it they see incomplete sentences among other things. How 
> do you guys work around this? Are there any accessible tools that will 
> help with these issues? How do you go about proofreading with a screen
reader?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Aaron Linson
> 
> CEO Blind Faith Project <http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject>
> 
> CEO Linson Productions
> 
> 
> 
> Aaron Linson
> 
> 
> 
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From spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb  7 13:43:50 2017
From: spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net (Jen)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2017 08:43:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] writing and incomplete sentences, and other problems
In-Reply-To: <072d01d280ef$4ccf5180$e66df480$@gmail.com>
References: <072d01d280ef$4ccf5180$e66df480$@gmail.com>
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Hi Aaron,

I have had this happen to me, except I have had two problems. One is
incomplete ideas, the other is not giving the reader transitions to the next
idea ... which I have in my head! For the incomplete ideas and "transitional
device" problems, I talk out what I want to say to the person proofreading
my work, then I write down what I said. When I proofread with JAWS, I read
line by line. To read the current sentence, press Alt and Num Pad 5
together; this way, you can hear if the sentence is incomplete or not. I
also use spell check; press F7 to do this, and make sure you are at the top
of the document. You can also control what punctuation JAWS speaks; if you
want tips on this, e-mail me off-list (this post is getting way too long
already, ha.)

I hope this helps.

Jen

spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net

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Hey guys,

Do any of you have this problem? You are writing say a blog post, research
paper, book, etc. You look over the document and the flow is good and
everything sounds good to you. However, when you let someone else look at it
they see incomplete sentences among other things. How do you guys work
around this? Are there any accessible tools that will help with these
issues? How do you go about proofreading with a screen reader?

 

Thanks,

Aaron Linson 

CEO Blind Faith Project <http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject> 

CEO Linson Productions

 

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From spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb  7 13:54:25 2017
From: spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net (Jen)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2017 08:54:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] writing and incomplete sentences, and other problems
In-Reply-To: <58993dc5.8430810a.a484b.6134@mx.google.com>
References: <58993dc5.8430810a.a484b.6134@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <000301d28149$b216a570$1643f050$@sbcglobal.net>

Karl, I just wanted to add to your post...

Both grammar and spell check are accessible, as Word is set to check grammar
with spelling; however grammar and spell check don't catch everything, and
sometimes, they flag things that are okay. This happens to me often as a
medical transcription student, as many of the reports have sentence
fragments and, as a medical transcriptionist, you are not to change their
sentences.

Jen

spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net

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Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 10:23 PM

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Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [nabs-l] writing and incomplete sentences, and other problems

If you know you have this problem, try reading sentence by sentence, instead
of reading continuously from the curser or by paragraph; if the screen
reader reads you a sentence that doesn't include a subject and predicate,
you'll know to fix it. You may also set your screen reader to read more
punctuation so you know where the periods, commas and semicolons are when
you're listening to what you've written. I don't use Word, but its grammar
check should also catch this if it's accessible.

HTH,
Karl

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Date sent: Mon, 6 Feb 2017 22:07:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] writing and incomplete sentences, and other 
problems

Hey guys,

Do any of you have this problem? You are writing say a blog post, 
research
paper, book, etc. You look over the document and the flow is good 
and
everything sounds good to you. However, when you let someone else 
look at it
they see incomplete sentences among other things. How do you guys 
work
around this? Are there any accessible tools that will help with 
these
issues? How do you go about proofreading with a screen reader?



Thanks,

Aaron Linson

CEO Blind Faith Project 
<http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject

CEO Linson Productions



Aaron Linson



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From lucysirianni at gmail.com  Tue Feb  7 14:30:46 2017
From: lucysirianni at gmail.com (Lucy Sirianni)
Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2017 06:30:46 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] IPhone help urgently needed; VoiceOver has disappeared
Message-ID: <5899da2e.924a620a.f2b53.e71d@mx.google.com>

Hi all,

I'm hoping someone can help me solve a problem I'm having with my 
iPhone.  Basically, Siri still works, but all other sounds are 
gone.  When I tell Siri to turn on VoiceOver, she says it's 
already on, and when I try any gestures on the screen, nothing 
seems to happen.  Does anyone know why this might be happening 
and what I can do to resolve it.

I really need a working phone today!

Thanks as always!

Lucy


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  7 14:41:01 2017
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2017 09:41:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] IPhone help urgently needed; VoiceOver has disappeared
In-Reply-To: <5899da2e.924a620a.f2b53.e71d@mx.google.com>
References: <5899da2e.924a620a.f2b53.e71d@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <46F8B6BA-3D6F-4AB8-B4A0-ED8F8A23961E@gmail.com>

.Tell Siri to turn off voiceover and then turn it back on again

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 7, 2017, at 9:30 AM, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm hoping someone can help me solve a problem I'm having with my iPhone.  Basically, Siri still works, but all other sounds are gone.  When I tell Siri to turn on VoiceOver, she says it's already on, and when I try any gestures on the screen, nothing seems to happen.  Does anyone know why this might be happening and what I can do to resolve it.
> 
> I really need a working phone today!
> 
> Thanks as always!
> 
> Lucy
> 
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From emitchell927 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  7 14:41:46 2017
From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2017 09:41:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] IPhone help urgently needed; VoiceOver has disappeared
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Hi
Try a three finger double tap 
Emma

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 7, 2017, at 9:30 AM, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm hoping someone can help me solve a problem I'm having with my iPhone.  Basically, Siri still works, but all other sounds are gone.  When I tell Siri to turn on VoiceOver, she says it's already on, and when I try any gestures on the screen, nothing seems to happen.  Does anyone know why this might be happening and what I can do to resolve it.
> 
> I really need a working phone today!
> 
> Thanks as always!
> 
> Lucy
> 
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From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  7 14:43:24 2017
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2017 09:43:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] IPhone help urgently needed; VoiceOver has disappeared
In-Reply-To: <5899da2e.924a620a.f2b53.e71d@mx.google.com>
References: <5899da2e.924a620a.f2b53.e71d@mx.google.com>
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Try doing a three-finger double tap to turn on speech. Perhaps you
muted that? Usually when I lose system sounds, rebooting the phone
also helps, but it's a problem I mostly experienced with iOS 9. I hope
that helps?

Joe

On 2/7/17, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm hoping someone can help me solve a problem I'm having with my
> iPhone.  Basically, Siri still works, but all other sounds are
> gone.  When I tell Siri to turn on VoiceOver, she says it's
> already on, and when I try any gestures on the screen, nothing
> seems to happen.  Does anyone know why this might be happening
> and what I can do to resolve it.
>
> I really need a working phone today!
>
> Thanks as always!
>
> Lucy
>
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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  7 14:45:39 2017
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2017 09:45:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] IPhone help urgently needed; VoiceOver has disappeared
In-Reply-To: <46F8B6BA-3D6F-4AB8-B4A0-ED8F8A23961E@gmail.com>
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	<46F8B6BA-3D6F-4AB8-B4A0-ED8F8A23961E@gmail.com>
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Hi,
What model is the device in question? 
This will help us determine what we can offer for troubleshooting steps. 

1. Have you done a reset and/or turned the device off and back on recently? 
2. Have you recently closed all your apps? 
3. Did you try to toggle voiceover with "triple-click home? If so, what happened? 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 7, 2017, at 9:41 AM, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> .Tell Siri to turn off voiceover and then turn it back on again
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Feb 7, 2017, at 9:30 AM, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm hoping someone can help me solve a problem I'm having with my iPhone.  Basically, Siri still works, but all other sounds are gone.  When I tell Siri to turn on VoiceOver, she says it's already on, and when I try any gestures on the screen, nothing seems to happen.  Does anyone know why this might be happening and what I can do to resolve it.
>> 
>> I really need a working phone today!
>> 
>> Thanks as always!
>> 
>> Lucy
>> 
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From lucysirianni at gmail.com  Tue Feb  7 14:50:51 2017
From: lucysirianni at gmail.com (Lucy Sirianni)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2017 08:50:51 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] IPhone help urgently needed; VoiceOver has disappeared
In-Reply-To: <13928899-26D0-4510-B2BE-57E180521B18@gmail.com>
References: <5899da2e.924a620a.f2b53.e71d@mx.google.com>
	<46F8B6BA-3D6F-4AB8-B4A0-ED8F8A23961E@gmail.com>
	<13928899-26D0-4510-B2BE-57E180521B18@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACa2spTG40iWZG1ukJ9UA7wUOWW=E-SZQwksjkB1LdSZZ_8zXw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Thanks so much for the suggestions, but unfortunately none of them
have worked. Other ideas would definitely be appreciated. I'm using an
iPhone 6.

Lucy

On 2/7/17, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> What model is the device in question?
> This will help us determine what we can offer for troubleshooting steps.
>
> 1. Have you done a reset and/or turned the device off and back on recently?
>
> 2. Have you recently closed all your apps?
> 3. Did you try to toggle voiceover with "triple-click home? If so, what
> happened?
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 7, 2017, at 9:41 AM, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> .Tell Siri to turn off voiceover and then turn it back on again
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Feb 7, 2017, at 9:30 AM, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm hoping someone can help me solve a problem I'm having with my iPhone.
>>>  Basically, Siri still works, but all other sounds are gone.  When I tell
>>> Siri to turn on VoiceOver, she says it's already on, and when I try any
>>> gestures on the screen, nothing seems to happen.  Does anyone know why
>>> this might be happening and what I can do to resolve it.
>>>
>>> I really need a working phone today!
>>>
>>> Thanks as always!
>>>
>>> Lucy
>>>
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  7 14:54:15 2017
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2017 09:54:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] IPhone help urgently needed; VoiceOver has disappeared
In-Reply-To: <CACa2spTG40iWZG1ukJ9UA7wUOWW=E-SZQwksjkB1LdSZZ_8zXw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5899da2e.924a620a.f2b53.e71d@mx.google.com>
	<46F8B6BA-3D6F-4AB8-B4A0-ED8F8A23961E@gmail.com>
	<13928899-26D0-4510-B2BE-57E180521B18@gmail.com>
	<CACa2spTG40iWZG1ukJ9UA7wUOWW=E-SZQwksjkB1LdSZZ_8zXw@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Lucy, Do you pair a Braille Note or other Braille device with your
phone? Perhaps you could try to pair them. If they pair successfully
and you get Braille output, then your speech is probably off or
frozen, but if they don't pair, then it's probably a software issue.
HTH, sounds frustrating!
Arielle

On 2/7/17, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Thanks so much for the suggestions, but unfortunately none of them
> have worked. Other ideas would definitely be appreciated. I'm using an
> iPhone 6.
>
> Lucy
>
> On 2/7/17, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> What model is the device in question?
>> This will help us determine what we can offer for troubleshooting steps.
>>
>> 1. Have you done a reset and/or turned the device off and back on
>> recently?
>>
>> 2. Have you recently closed all your apps?
>> 3. Did you try to toggle voiceover with "triple-click home? If so, what
>> happened?
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Feb 7, 2017, at 9:41 AM, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> .Tell Siri to turn off voiceover and then turn it back on again
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Feb 7, 2017, at 9:30 AM, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I'm hoping someone can help me solve a problem I'm having with my
>>>> iPhone.
>>>>  Basically, Siri still works, but all other sounds are gone.  When I
>>>> tell
>>>> Siri to turn on VoiceOver, she says it's already on, and when I try any
>>>> gestures on the screen, nothing seems to happen.  Does anyone know why
>>>> this might be happening and what I can do to resolve it.
>>>>
>>>> I really need a working phone today!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks as always!
>>>>
>>>> Lucy
>>>>
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Tue Feb  7 15:18:12 2017
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2017 09:18:12 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] IPhone help urgently needed; VoiceOver has disappeared
In-Reply-To: <5899da2e.924a620a.f2b53.e71d@mx.google.com>
References: <5899da2e.924a620a.f2b53.e71d@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <86CA6883-E26A-4F13-917F-748058CB5B40@gmail.com>

This is a bug which is been plaguing many iPhones, including mine, since the iOS 10 upgrade. What usually resolves it for me is telling Siri to turn voiceover off, then waiting a few seconds, then holding down the home button to launch Siri again, and telling her to turn voiceover on. Hope this helps

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 7, 2017, at 8:30 AM, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm hoping someone can help me solve a problem I'm having with my iPhone.  Basically, Siri still works, but all other sounds are gone.  When I tell Siri to turn on VoiceOver, she says it's already on, and when I try any gestures on the screen, nothing seems to happen.  Does anyone know why this might be happening and what I can do to resolve it.
> 
> I really need a working phone today!
> 
> Thanks as always!
> 
> Lucy
> 
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From osman36d at gmail.com  Tue Feb  7 15:19:46 2017
From: osman36d at gmail.com (Osman Koroma)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2017 10:19:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] IPhone help urgently needed; VoiceOver has disappeared
In-Reply-To: <5899da2e.924a620a.f2b53.e71d@mx.google.com>
References: <5899da2e.924a620a.f2b53.e71d@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <A081C758-A628-487E-B25C-1AECBF089516@gmail.com>

Go to settings, general, accessibility, voiceover and select volume settings in the rotor. That should solve your problem because you can adjust the volume with the rotor settings. Hope that solve your problem.

Please excuse any typos
Osman Koroma
www.osmankoroma.com
www.twitter.com/osmankoroma
www.facebook.com/osmankoromaauthor

> On Feb 7, 2017, at 09:30, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm hoping someone can help me solve a problem I'm having with my iPhone.  Basically, Siri still works, but all other sounds are gone.  When I tell Siri to turn on VoiceOver, she says it's already on, and when I try any gestures on the screen, nothing seems to happen.  Does anyone know why this might be happening and what I can do to resolve it.
> 
> I really need a working phone today!
> 
> Thanks as always!
> 
> Lucy
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Tue Feb  7 15:29:23 2017
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2017 09:29:23 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] IPhone help urgently needed; VoiceOver has disappeared
In-Reply-To: <CAMEPVZ5QGn5KLRLHeiw0rrPv+pK7xgEK90r+7bc0Cg33p851wg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5899da2e.924a620a.f2b53.e71d@mx.google.com>
	<CAMEPVZ5QGn5KLRLHeiw0rrPv+pK7xgEK90r+7bc0Cg33p851wg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003401d28156$f67bba40$e3732ec0$@visi.com>

Is there any chance you are near an Alexa device such as an Echo Dot?  I had
this trouble and it turned out my phone had paired with the Echo Dot but it
didn't completely work.  Some sounds came through the dot and some did not,
but VoiceOver didn't come through anything.  I had to Power off and then on
to get VoiceOver back.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


On 2/7/17, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm hoping someone can help me solve a problem I'm having with my
> iPhone.  Basically, Siri still works, but all other sounds are
> gone.  When I tell Siri to turn on VoiceOver, she says it's
> already on, and when I try any gestures on the screen, nothing
> seems to happen.  Does anyone know why this might be happening
> and what I can do to resolve it.
>
> I really need a working phone today!
>
> Thanks as always!
>
> Lucy
>

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From lucysirianni at gmail.com  Tue Feb  7 16:15:38 2017
From: lucysirianni at gmail.com (Lucy Sirianni)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2017 10:15:38 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] IPhone help urgently needed; VoiceOver has disappeared
In-Reply-To: <A081C758-A628-487E-B25C-1AECBF089516@gmail.com>
References: <5899da2e.924a620a.f2b53.e71d@mx.google.com>
	<A081C758-A628-487E-B25C-1AECBF089516@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACa2spRaBZ3_xh0XBx0wD+_zDULgGv+YdwH4BzycSmWAGTrrbA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, everyone! I called the Apple Accessibility number Jessica sent
and the person I talked to was able to help me solve the problem.

Again, thanks so much to all of you for the quick and helpful responses!

Lucy

On 2/7/17, Osman Koroma <osman36d at gmail.com> wrote:
> Go to settings, general, accessibility, voiceover and select volume settings
> in the rotor. That should solve your problem because you can adjust the
> volume with the rotor settings. Hope that solve your problem.
>
> Please excuse any typos
> Osman Koroma
> www.osmankoroma.com
> www.twitter.com/osmankoroma
> www.facebook.com/osmankoromaauthor
>
>> On Feb 7, 2017, at 09:30, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm hoping someone can help me solve a problem I'm having with my iPhone.
>> Basically, Siri still works, but all other sounds are gone.  When I tell
>> Siri to turn on VoiceOver, she says it's already on, and when I try any
>> gestures on the screen, nothing seems to happen.  Does anyone know why
>> this might be happening and what I can do to resolve it.
>>
>> I really need a working phone today!
>>
>> Thanks as always!
>>
>> Lucy
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  7 16:24:12 2017
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2017 11:24:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] IPhone help urgently needed; VoiceOver has disappeared
Message-ID: <5899f4b2.0e8c240a.3c5fb.5505@mx.google.com>

Hi,
What was the solution?
It'd be good to know in case this happens to you again, or if it were to happen to someone else.

On Feb 7, 2017 11:15 AM, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Thanks, everyone! I called the Apple Accessibility number Jessica sent 
> and the person I talked to was able to help me solve the problem. 
>
> Again, thanks so much to all of you for the quick and helpful responses! 
>
> Lucy 
>
> On 2/7/17, Osman Koroma <osman36d at gmail.com> wrote: 
> > Go to settings, general, accessibility, voiceover and select volume settings 
> > in the rotor. That should solve your problem because you can adjust the 
> > volume with the rotor settings. Hope that solve your problem. 
> > 
> > Please excuse any typos 
> > Osman Koroma 
> > www.osmankoroma.com 
> > www.twitter.com/osmankoroma 
> > www.facebook.com/osmankoromaauthor 
> > 
> >> On Feb 7, 2017, at 09:30, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
> >> wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Hi all, 
> >> 
> >> I'm hoping someone can help me solve a problem I'm having with my iPhone. 
> >> Basically, Siri still works, but all other sounds are gone.  When I tell 
> >> Siri to turn on VoiceOver, she says it's already on, and when I try any 
> >> gestures on the screen, nothing seems to happen.  Does anyone know why 
> >> this might be happening and what I can do to resolve it. 
> >> 
> >> I really need a working phone today! 
> >> 
> >> Thanks as always! 
> >> 
> >> Lucy 
> >> 
> >> _______________________________________________ 
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Tue Feb  7 16:41:22 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2017 08:41:22 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] IPhone help urgently needed; VoiceOver has disappeared
In-Reply-To: <5899da2e.924a620a.f2b53.e71d@mx.google.com>
References: <5899da2e.924a620a.f2b53.e71d@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <975E91C0-0275-45B6-88A8-143CEB2165EF@gmail.com>

Hi Lucy,
I haven't read all the replies, but I had a very similar problem a couple of months ago. 
I know it sounds crazy but you might want to try this: I plugged a set of headphones into my phone. I then started hearing Voice-Over talking in my  ear. I then took it out and it seemed to work fine after that.
Vejas   

> On Feb 7, 2017, at 06:30, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm hoping someone can help me solve a problem I'm having with my iPhone.  Basically, Siri still works, but all other sounds are gone.  When I tell Siri to turn on VoiceOver, she says it's already on, and when I try any gestures on the screen, nothing seems to happen.  Does anyone know why this might be happening and what I can do to resolve it.
> 
> I really need a working phone today!
> 
> Thanks as always!
> 
> Lucy
> 
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Tue Feb  7 16:46:08 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2017 08:46:08 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] IPhone help urgently needed; VoiceOver has disappeared
In-Reply-To: <A081C758-A628-487E-B25C-1AECBF089516@gmail.com>
References: <5899da2e.924a620a.f2b53.e71d@mx.google.com>
	<A081C758-A628-487E-B25C-1AECBF089516@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <40F82012-0C3B-495F-A014-BE7F29AA50AB@gmail.com>

Hi Osman,
The problem with going into settings is that unfortunately Siri cannot do that. When I had my problem a couple months ago, I realized just how very limited Siri actually is. It would be nice if it could fix settings, but theres still a lot where she tells you you have to do it yourself.
Vejas 

> On Feb 7, 2017, at 07:19, Osman Koroma via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Go to settings, general, accessibility, voiceover and select volume settings in the rotor. That should solve your problem because you can adjust the volume with the rotor settings. Hope that solve your problem.
> 
> Please excuse any typos
> Osman Koroma
> www.osmankoroma.com
> www.twitter.com/osmankoroma
> www.facebook.com/osmankoromaauthor
> 
>> On Feb 7, 2017, at 09:30, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm hoping someone can help me solve a problem I'm having with my iPhone.  Basically, Siri still works, but all other sounds are gone.  When I tell Siri to turn on VoiceOver, she says it's already on, and when I try any gestures on the screen, nothing seems to happen.  Does anyone know why this might be happening and what I can do to resolve it.
>> 
>> I really need a working phone today!
>> 
>> Thanks as always!
>> 
>> Lucy
>> 
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From lucysirianni at gmail.com  Tue Feb  7 17:01:17 2017
From: lucysirianni at gmail.com (Lucy Sirianni)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2017 11:01:17 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] IPhone help urgently needed; VoiceOver has disappeared
In-Reply-To: <A081C758-A628-487E-B25C-1AECBF089516@gmail.com>
References: <5899da2e.924a620a.f2b53.e71d@mx.google.com>
	<A081C758-A628-487E-B25C-1AECBF089516@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACa2spTF6QcMY=1TH2hA0uRAGzdun=6s33TPWg=A9HCr0eq7Fw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

In answer to Jessica's question, I ended up having to do two hard
resets. The first reset didn't solve anything, but after the second,
things were perfect.

Best,

Lucy

On 2/7/17, Osman Koroma <osman36d at gmail.com> wrote:
> Go to settings, general, accessibility, voiceover and select volume settings
> in the rotor. That should solve your problem because you can adjust the
> volume with the rotor settings. Hope that solve your problem.
>
> Please excuse any typos
> Osman Koroma
> www.osmankoroma.com
> www.twitter.com/osmankoroma
> www.facebook.com/osmankoromaauthor
>
>> On Feb 7, 2017, at 09:30, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm hoping someone can help me solve a problem I'm having with my iPhone.
>> Basically, Siri still works, but all other sounds are gone.  When I tell
>> Siri to turn on VoiceOver, she says it's already on, and when I try any
>> gestures on the screen, nothing seems to happen.  Does anyone know why
>> this might be happening and what I can do to resolve it.
>>
>> I really need a working phone today!
>>
>> Thanks as always!
>>
>> Lucy
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From Amason at nfb.org  Tue Feb  7 18:07:04 2017
From: Amason at nfb.org (Mason, Amy)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2017 18:07:04 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] epubs
In-Reply-To: <CAJ=wgVqdyXj9ij56rL=Yw9madPk6M2YpciaSJtWhF+we+bH=Rg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ=wgVqdyXj9ij56rL=Yw9madPk6M2YpciaSJtWhF+we+bH=Rg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BL2PR17MB0867EFD8114B8E68BD90352EDB430@BL2PR17MB0867.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>

If the ePub is not protected, I would download the Vitalsource bookshelf app, and sideload the epub. It will let you take notes in the text, and is the most accessible reading app I have seen. Unfortunately, you will have to create a vitalsource account, but you don't have to use the account. You can just sideload the epubs. 

You can download it from: https://support.vitalsource.com/hc/en-us/articles/201344733-Bookshelf-Download-Page 


Amy Mason
(410) 659-9314 Ext. 2424
National Federation of the Blind

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Subject: [nabs-l] epubs

Hello everyone,
I believe this question has already been asked, but I can't quite remember... What is the best way to read an epub using a PC with any Internet browser is okay?
Thank you for your help.
Caitlin Best

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From filerime at gmail.com  Tue Feb  7 19:06:33 2017
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2017 14:06:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Students, Come and Join Us Tonight
Message-ID: <CAMtP_9eaO1EZC494hA=twTn2pCBo6mxf=hcBbrrSVrTYiS2g+w@mail.gmail.com>

To recognize achievement by blind scholars, the National Federation of
the Blind annually offers blind college students in the United States
and Puerto Rico the opportunity to win one of thirty merit-based,
national-level scholarships range in worth between $3,000 and $12,000.
All scholarships awarded are based on academic excellence, community
service, and leadership.

NFB Ohio Association of Blind Students is hosting a conference call to
Provide information and answer your questions. Scholarship committee
chair Patti Gregory-Chang and the president of NFB OABS, who was a
scholarship winner in 2016 will be attending the call to answer your
questions.
Date and Time: February 7, 2017, 7.30pm
In order to access the conference call please use the following information\
Number to call:
(641) 715-0701
Access Code:
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Please click the following link for more information about the
scholarship program
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Tue Feb  7 19:35:58 2017
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2017 13:35:58 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] New to this
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CJ:

Welcome to the list. I'm so glad you've decided to reach out to your fellow
blind students as you begin your journey with blindness. As you have likely
already seen during your short time here, this list, along with the National
Federation of the Blind itself, is a wonderful place to get information,
support and encouragement from those who are walking with you on this
journey. I hope you will continue to tap into this resource as you go
forward.

I commend you on your commitment to not letting blindness stop you from
achieving your dreams. This positive philosophy will serve you well as you
learn the skills of blindness and deal with a public which often has
misconceptions about what we can do as blind people. As you have already
seen, blind students can certainly pursue chemistry and other sciences given
alternative skills and a few modified technologies. I don't have any
personal experience in this field, so I will instead try to give you a few
resources in the Federation which will hopefully help you.

Perhaps the foremost expert on this front is Dr. Cary Supalo, a blind
chemist who is one of the pioneers in making chemistry accessible to blind
students. He is the President of Independence Science
(www.independencescience.com,) which manufactures a number of tools which
make the standard chemistry lab equipment usable by blind researchers. You
may also wish to read an article which Dr. Supalo wrote about his experience
as a blind chemistry student. This can be found at:
https://nfb.org/images/nfb/publications/bm/bm12/bm1207/bm120703.htm.
Additionally, there is an NFB member in my home state of Maryland who is a
blind chemistry professor at one of our major universities. Please write me
off-list at cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com if you would like his contact information.
Finally, I would encourage you to join our Science and Engineering Division
and its listserv, on which you could likely get more in-depth answers about
specific aspects of chemistry from blind students and professionals. Their
list can be found at the following link:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-science_nfbnet.org

I hope these resources, along with those which you have already received,
will help you as you continue to discover the techniques blind people use to
succeed in science. I also hope that you will continue to tap into the
resources of the Federation, and that you will lend your unique talents to
our work on behalf of blind students everywhere. Please don't hesitate to
contact myself or my fellow NABS Board members if you have any questions
about how you can fit into the bigger picture of our organization.

Best,

Chris Nusbaum

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Subject: [nabs-l] New to this

Hello, my name is CJ, and I am new to list serv.  I am new to blindness, but
am not letting this slow me down on accomplishing goals in my life that I
would like to achieve.  Chemistry is what I am interested in, and would like
to become a chemical technician.  I honestly don't even know where to begin.
If there is anybody who could help me on where to start, I would greatly
appreciate that.  Or even help discuss some of the obstacles that you
encountered, and how to get it all without going insane.  Thank you guys for
everything, and I look forward to talking to you soon.

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From sarah at sarahblakelarose.com  Wed Feb  8 00:08:46 2017
From: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com (sarah at sarahblakelarose.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2017 19:08:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] IPhone help urgently needed; VoiceOver has disappeared
In-Reply-To: <CACa2spTG40iWZG1ukJ9UA7wUOWW=E-SZQwksjkB1LdSZZ_8zXw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5899da2e.924a620a.f2b53.e71d@mx.google.com>	<46F8B6BA-3D6F-4AB8-B4A0-ED8F8A23961E@gmail.com>	<13928899-26D0-4510-B2BE-57E180521B18@gmail.com>
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Lucy, what happens if you plug headphones in?


-----Original Message-----
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via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 9:51 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Lucy Sirianni <lucysirianni at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IPhone help urgently needed; VoiceOver has disappeared

Hi all,

Thanks so much for the suggestions, but unfortunately none of them have
worked. Other ideas would definitely be appreciated. I'm using an iPhone 6.

Lucy

On 2/7/17, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> What model is the device in question?
> This will help us determine what we can offer for troubleshooting steps.
>
> 1. Have you done a reset and/or turned the device off and back on
recently?
>
> 2. Have you recently closed all your apps?
> 3. Did you try to toggle voiceover with "triple-click home? If so, 
> what happened?
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 7, 2017, at 9:41 AM, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> .Tell Siri to turn off voiceover and then turn it back on again
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Feb 7, 2017, at 9:30 AM, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm hoping someone can help me solve a problem I'm having with my
iPhone.
>>>  Basically, Siri still works, but all other sounds are gone.  When I 
>>> tell Siri to turn on VoiceOver, she says it's already on, and when I 
>>> try any gestures on the screen, nothing seems to happen.  Does 
>>> anyone know why this might be happening and what I can do to resolve it.
>>>
>>> I really need a working phone today!
>>>
>>> Thanks as always!
>>>
>>> Lucy
>>>
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Wed Feb  8 02:20:11 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2017 18:20:11 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Group-Me
Message-ID: <17B80C9D-FAAA-4F7E-9217-417AB494D7CA@gmail.com>

Hi,
I was wondering about the practicalities of how these of you who use Group-Me use it. It seems like I can use it OK when on the messages app, except for the fact that when people send emojis, they just come out as a bunch of question marks. Usually, on a regular text, Voice-Over will be able to read whatever face was used, but not in Group-Me.
Thanks,
Vejas 

From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Feb  8 02:31:17 2017
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2017 20:31:17 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] jaws 18
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References: <00d001d280a1$70422a00$50c67e00$@gmail.com>
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I have found it to be as stable, or not, as 17.  You can have both 
versions on your system, with no problems.  I always keep one version back.

Dave

At 11:50 AM 2/6/2017, you wrote:
>So, I'm about to load jaws 18.  Should I just activate the 17 I have, or
>should I just download the 18? In other words, how stable is the latest
>version of jaws 18? Are their any bugs I should know about before loading
>it?
>
>Justin



From misokwak12 at gmail.com  Wed Feb  8 02:58:17 2017
From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2017 18:58:17 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Group-Me
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Vejas, I do use Groupme somewhat frequently and had no significant
problem with it. I am IOS 9.2 though, and have never paied with Apex
or any other braille display when I am on Groupme.
--Miso

On 2/7/17, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> I was wondering about the practicalities of how these of you who use
> Group-Me use it. It seems like I can use it OK when on the messages app,
> except for the fact that when people send emojis, they just come out as a
> bunch of question marks. Usually, on a regular text, Voice-Over will be able
> to read whatever face was used, but not in Group-Me.
> Thanks,
> Vejas
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-- 
Mi So Kwak
University of California, Los Angeles | 2017
Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
(909) 660-1897


From jameyanne at gmail.com  Wed Feb  8 03:16:50 2017
From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2017 22:16:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Group-Me
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References: <17B80C9D-FAAA-4F7E-9217-417AB494D7CA@gmail.com>
	<CAMe9x_GCO58aEz1N0QCajnYJ9WkNsnCrz7U_GreeS1N7qo3nZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00ca01d281b9$ca472a00$5ed57e00$@gmail.com>

I use the GroupMe app all the time, and I've had no problems with it.
Voiceover recognizes the emogis a lot better. I'm using ios 10.2.1. I
haven't tried paring my phone with a braille display while using GroupMe. I
found the app to work a lot better than just using the service through
messages because it recognizes all the people, and I'm in at least one chat
with 80 people (my law school section), so that was really necessary.
Hope this is helpful.
Jameyanne

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Cc: Miso Kwak <misokwak12 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Group-Me

Vejas, I do use Groupme somewhat frequently and had no significant
problem with it. I am IOS 9.2 though, and have never paied with Apex
or any other braille display when I am on Groupme.
--Miso

On 2/7/17, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> I was wondering about the practicalities of how these of you who use
> Group-Me use it. It seems like I can use it OK when on the messages app,
> except for the fact that when people send emojis, they just come out as a
> bunch of question marks. Usually, on a regular text, Voice-Over will be
able
> to read whatever face was used, but not in Group-Me.
> Thanks,
> Vejas
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-- 
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University of California, Los Angeles | 2017
Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Feb  9 14:46:35 2017
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2017 09:46:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Doing Sighted Guide with Blind Students
Message-ID: <589c80de.8455240a.f658.e288@mx.google.com>

Dear Students,

I hope all of you are doing well.  Tomorrow I will be 
volunteering at the East Florida Braille Challenge all day from 
8-00 Am to 4-30 Pm.  The Braille Challenge is sponsored by the 
Braille Institute in Los Angelis, California and regional 
competitions are held each year in all of the fifty states.  I 
have been assigned to be a sighted guide for a group of older 
blind students during this event.  Two other people and I are 
responsible for keeping track of these students and getting them 
around the church.  Since I am totally blind, how do I perform 
the sighted guide technique with these students? Hope to hear 
from you soon.


From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com  Thu Feb  9 15:21:45 2017
From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Linson Productions)
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2017 10:21:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Doing Sighted Guide with Blind Students
In-Reply-To: <589c80de.8455240a.f658.e288@mx.google.com>
References: <589c80de.8455240a.f658.e288@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <15a23774b28.2875.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com>

First of all, congratulations on doing this awesome task. I would ask them 
before you do set a guide. As many blind people in my experience will want 
to be independent and use their canes. However they take your right on and 
you go a couple of feet in front of them. Let the blind person set the pace 
and just ask them if the way you are walking is okay. They should be able 
to move with the flow of your arm.


On February 9, 2017 9:48:50 AM roanna bacchus via NABS-L 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Dear Students,
>
> I hope all of you are doing well.  Tomorrow I will be
> volunteering at the East Florida Braille Challenge all day from
> 8-00 Am to 4-30 Pm.  The Braille Challenge is sponsored by the
> Braille Institute in Los Angelis, California and regional
> competitions are held each year in all of the fifty states.  I
> have been assigned to be a sighted guide for a group of older
> blind students during this event.  Two other people and I are
> responsible for keeping track of these students and getting them
> around the church.  Since I am totally blind, how do I perform
> the sighted guide technique with these students? Hope to hear
> from you soon.
>
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Feb  9 15:27:05 2017
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2017 10:27:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Doing Sighted Guide with Blind Students
Message-ID: <589c8a5b.041a6b0a.38adf.ca5a@mx.google.com>

Could I still accomplish this task even though I myself do not 
know my way around the church?


From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com  Thu Feb  9 15:32:13 2017
From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Linson Productions)
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2017 10:32:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Doing Sighted Guide with Blind Students
In-Reply-To: <589c8a5b.041a6b0a.38adf.ca5a@mx.google.com>
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Message-ID: <15a2380e048.2875.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com>

Yes you can its not about you understanding the church at all. Just guiding 
the people around ibstsckes.


On February 9, 2017 10:28:31 AM roanna bacchus via NABS-L 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Could I still accomplish this task even though I myself do not
> know my way around the church?
>
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From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com  Thu Feb  9 15:34:38 2017
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie P.)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 08:34:38 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Doing Sighted Guide with Blind Students
In-Reply-To: <589c80de.8455240a.f658.e288@mx.google.com>
References: <589c80de.8455240a.f658.e288@mx.google.com>
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If you know your way around the church, I imagine you would simply lead them to where they need to be. You can do this by having them follow you while you very audibly say where you're going, or have them put a hand on your elbow or shoulder (while still using their canes of course) and follow you that way. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 9, 2017, at 07:46, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Students,
> 
> I hope all of you are doing well.  Tomorrow I will be volunteering at the East Florida Braille Challenge all day from 8-00 Am to 4-30 Pm.  The Braille Challenge is sponsored by the Braille Institute in Los Angelis, California and regional competitions are held each year in all of the fifty states.  I have been assigned to be a sighted guide for a group of older blind students during this event.  Two other people and I are responsible for keeping track of these students and getting them around the church.  Since I am totally blind, how do I perform the sighted guide technique with these students? Hope to hear from you soon.
> 
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Feb  9 15:43:07 2017
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 10:43:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Doing Sighted Guide with Blind Students
In-Reply-To: <D5B89805-EFD0-4170-9E26-1E05BC6C38D3@gmail.com>
References: <589c80de.8455240a.f658.e288@mx.google.com>
	<D5B89805-EFD0-4170-9E26-1E05BC6C38D3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <19E8BD22-2177-4751-B4C3-D74E87EDDDEA@gmail.com>

Can I still do this even know I don't know my way around church because I've never been there before

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 9, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Jamie P. via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> If you know your way around the church, I imagine you would simply lead them to where they need to be. You can do this by having them follow you while you very audibly say where you're going, or have them put a hand on your elbow or shoulder (while still using their canes of course) and follow you that way. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 07:46, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Students,
>> 
>> I hope all of you are doing well.  Tomorrow I will be volunteering at the East Florida Braille Challenge all day from 8-00 Am to 4-30 Pm.  The Braille Challenge is sponsored by the Braille Institute in Los Angelis, California and regional competitions are held each year in all of the fifty states.  I have been assigned to be a sighted guide for a group of older blind students during this event.  Two other people and I are responsible for keeping track of these students and getting them around the church.  Since I am totally blind, how do I perform the sighted guide technique with these students? Hope to hear from you soon.
>> 
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From louvins at gmail.com  Thu Feb  9 15:55:29 2017
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 09:55:29 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Doing Sighted Guide with Blind Students
In-Reply-To: <19E8BD22-2177-4751-B4C3-D74E87EDDDEA@gmail.com>
References: <589c80de.8455240a.f658.e288@mx.google.com>
	<D5B89805-EFD0-4170-9E26-1E05BC6C38D3@gmail.com>
	<19E8BD22-2177-4751-B4C3-D74E87EDDDEA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADUoy9uXkKUv=qYB6_1YTSi=8Z5M6h_WOpNVTQ9ZOtGi3RDsrw@mail.gmail.com>

A long time ago, a blind friend of mine helped me get somewhere.  I
took her arm just like I would anyone else who I was going sided guide
with.  I've also put my hand on a persons shoulder for gidence as
well.

On 2/9/17, Roanna Bacchus  via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Can I still do this even know I don't know my way around church because I've
> never been there before
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Jamie P. via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> If you know your way around the church, I imagine you would simply lead
>> them to where they need to be. You can do this by having them follow you
>> while you very audibly say where you're going, or have them put a hand on
>> your elbow or shoulder (while still using their canes of course) and
>> follow you that way.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 07:46, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Students,
>>>
>>> I hope all of you are doing well.  Tomorrow I will be volunteering at the
>>> East Florida Braille Challenge all day from 8-00 Am to 4-30 Pm.  The
>>> Braille Challenge is sponsored by the Braille Institute in Los Angelis,
>>> California and regional competitions are held each year in all of the
>>> fifty states.  I have been assigned to be a sighted guide for a group of
>>> older blind students during this event.  Two other people and I are
>>> responsible for keeping track of these students and getting them around
>>> the church.  Since I am totally blind, how do I perform the sighted guide
>>> technique with these students? Hope to hear from you soon.
>>>
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From chris.omeally at gmail.com  Thu Feb  9 15:58:00 2017
From: chris.omeally at gmail.com (Christopher O'meally)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 10:58:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Doing Sighted Guide with Blind Students
In-Reply-To: <19E8BD22-2177-4751-B4C3-D74E87EDDDEA@gmail.com>
References: <589c80de.8455240a.f658.e288@mx.google.com>
	<D5B89805-EFD0-4170-9E26-1E05BC6C38D3@gmail.com>
	<19E8BD22-2177-4751-B4C3-D74E87EDDDEA@gmail.com>
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this can be pretty tricky if you don't have a longer cane, but
generally what I have done is I make sure I am arking my cane wide
enough to compensate for the second person, and I generally walk
slightly slower.  This makes shore lining on the side the person is
standing on harder, but it can be done.

On 2/9/17, Roanna Bacchus  via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Can I still do this even know I don't know my way around church because I've
> never been there before
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Jamie P. via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> If you know your way around the church, I imagine you would simply lead
>> them to where they need to be. You can do this by having them follow you
>> while you very audibly say where you're going, or have them put a hand on
>> your elbow or shoulder (while still using their canes of course) and
>> follow you that way.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 07:46, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Students,
>>>
>>> I hope all of you are doing well.  Tomorrow I will be volunteering at the
>>> East Florida Braille Challenge all day from 8-00 Am to 4-30 Pm.  The
>>> Braille Challenge is sponsored by the Braille Institute in Los Angelis,
>>> California and regional competitions are held each year in all of the
>>> fifty states.  I have been assigned to be a sighted guide for a group of
>>> older blind students during this event.  Two other people and I are
>>> responsible for keeping track of these students and getting them around
>>> the church.  Since I am totally blind, how do I perform the sighted guide
>>> technique with these students? Hope to hear from you soon.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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-- 
Very Respectfully,

Christopher O’Meally.

NVB of Virginia 2016 leadership fellow.

Lead instructor and CEO of Access Tech Media INC.

Contract Closeout Specialist, Defense Contract Management Agency.

Chris.omeally at gmail.com

(804)658-6668


From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com  Thu Feb  9 15:58:04 2017
From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 10:58:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Doing Sighted Guide with Blind Students
In-Reply-To: <CADUoy9uXkKUv=qYB6_1YTSi=8Z5M6h_WOpNVTQ9ZOtGi3RDsrw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <589c80de.8455240a.f658.e288@mx.google.com>	<D5B89805-EFD0-4170-9E26-1E05BC6C38D3@gmail.com>	<19E8BD22-2177-4751-B4C3-D74E87EDDDEA@gmail.com>
	<CADUoy9uXkKUv=qYB6_1YTSi=8Z5M6h_WOpNVTQ9ZOtGi3RDsrw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <02a801d282ed$4cdbf7f0$e693e7d0$@gmail.com>

Roanna, 
The answer to your question relies on you. Only you know if you can do this
or not. Try it out! I think you will be surprised. 

Thanks,
Aaron Linson 
CEO Blind Faith Project
CEO Linson Productions

Aaron Linson 


-----Original Message-----
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Hendrickson via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 10:55 AM
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Cc: Joshua Hendrickson <louvins at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Doing Sighted Guide with Blind Students

A long time ago, a blind friend of mine helped me get somewhere.  I took her
arm just like I would anyone else who I was going sided guide with.  I've
also put my hand on a persons shoulder for gidence as well.

On 2/9/17, Roanna Bacchus  via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Can I still do this even know I don't know my way around church 
> because I've never been there before
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Jamie P. via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> If you know your way around the church, I imagine you would simply 
>> lead them to where they need to be. You can do this by having them 
>> follow you while you very audibly say where you're going, or have 
>> them put a hand on your elbow or shoulder (while still using their 
>> canes of course) and follow you that way.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 07:46, roanna bacchus via NABS-L 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Students,
>>>
>>> I hope all of you are doing well.  Tomorrow I will be volunteering 
>>> at the East Florida Braille Challenge all day from 8-00 Am to 4-30 
>>> Pm.  The Braille Challenge is sponsored by the Braille Institute in 
>>> Los Angelis, California and regional competitions are held each year 
>>> in all of the fifty states.  I have been assigned to be a sighted 
>>> guide for a group of older blind students during this event.  Two 
>>> other people and I are responsible for keeping track of these 
>>> students and getting them around the church.  Since I am totally 
>>> blind, how do I perform the sighted guide technique with these students?
Hope to hear from you soon.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Thu Feb  9 18:45:51 2017
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 12:45:51 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Doing Sighted Guide with Blind Students
In-Reply-To: <19E8BD22-2177-4751-B4C3-D74E87EDDDEA@gmail.com>
References: <589c80de.8455240a.f658.e288@mx.google.com>	<D5B89805-EFD0-4170-9E26-1E05BC6C38D3@gmail.com>
	<19E8BD22-2177-4751-B4C3-D74E87EDDDEA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000a01d28304$bd496f60$37dc4e20$@visi.com>

Roanna,

It is really hard for most of us to answer your question since we don't know
your level of travel skill, so any answer is somewhat generic.  However, it
is possible to do the task you mention, but we need to break down what
really needs to be done.

First, if a sighted person comes to the church for the first time, they will
need to take at least a little time to become familiar with the layout.
They will likely concentrate on the part of the church they need to know
first and then learn more as the day goes on.  You need to gather
information differently than does a sighted volunteer, but some of the same
approaches are still relevant.  You are not going to need to know the whole
church but only where the kids are likely going to need to travel.  The kids
are not going to need to go just anywhere right away, either.  If you were
to arrive a few minutes early, you could make sure you know how to get from
where the kids will be arriving to where they need to go first.  That will
likely involve one very specific path.  Once that is done, it would make
sense to learn where bathrooms are and other places they are likely going to
need to go such as a lunch or break room.  If the setup is more complicated,
such as different age groups go to different places, you could probably make
some arrangement to find out to which group you will be assigned.

In any group of kids, there is going to be different skill levels
represented.  Whether you are sighted or not, it is not going to be possible
to take an entire group of kids as sighted guide.  To some degree, the
problem will be similar whether sighted or not.  Be aware of how many kids
are in your group.  I would imagine that some of this is already taken into
account by those planning the activities, though.

I think the bottom line is that one has to take any task and break it down
into its important parts and then deal with each part.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson
 
-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna Bacchus
via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2017 9:43 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: rbacchus228 at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Doing Sighted Guide with Blind Students

Can I still do this even know I don't know my way around church because I've
never been there before

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 9, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Jamie P. via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> If you know your way around the church, I imagine you would simply lead
them to where they need to be. You can do this by having them follow you
while you very audibly say where you're going, or have them put a hand on
your elbow or shoulder (while still using their canes of course) and follow
you that way. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 07:46, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Students,
>> 
>> I hope all of you are doing well.  Tomorrow I will be volunteering at the
East Florida Braille Challenge all day from 8-00 Am to 4-30 Pm.  The Braille
Challenge is sponsored by the Braille Institute in Los Angelis, California
and regional competitions are held each year in all of the fifty states.  I
have been assigned to be a sighted guide for a group of older blind students
during this event.  Two other people and I are responsible for keeping track
of these students and getting them around the church.  Since I am totally
blind, how do I perform the sighted guide technique with these students?
Hope to hear from you soon.
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From kerrik2006 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 10 00:22:33 2017
From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 19:22:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Subscribing Someone to the List
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Hi Everyone:
I am trying to get an acquaintance subscribed to this list. She says
she isn't receiving the confirmation email. I have suggested she look
in her spam folder but she says it is not there either.
Does anyone have any ideas of what could be going on?
I just subscribed last week to the Rehab list and everything went fine
for me. I received the confirmation email right away. I can't figure
out what is going on.
Thanks,
Kerri


From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Fri Feb 10 00:57:28 2017
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 18:57:28 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Subscribing Someone to the List
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Try asking her to send an email to nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org. Put the word subscribe in the subject. She should receive a confirmation email within a few minutes of sending that one. If this still doesn't work, please let me know and we can try to get her added manually.

Chris Nusbaum

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> On Feb 9, 2017, at 6:22 PM, Kerri Kosten via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone:
> I am trying to get an acquaintance subscribed to this list. She says
> she isn't receiving the confirmation email. I have suggested she look
> in her spam folder but she says it is not there either.
> Does anyone have any ideas of what could be going on?
> I just subscribed last week to the Rehab list and everything went fine
> for me. I received the confirmation email right away. I can't figure
> out what is going on.
> Thanks,
> Kerri
> 
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From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Fri Feb 10 16:25:14 2017
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2017 10:25:14 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] formatting questions
Message-ID: <589de97c.ac3f9d0a.76b7d.4ded@mx.google.com>

Dear NABS friends,

I have a couple of questions about how to format a document in 
Word. How do I get a document to be double spaced? And how do I 
put page numbers on it? Any help is greatly appreciated.

Yours,
Sophie


From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 10 16:54:56 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2017 11:54:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] formatting questions
In-Reply-To: <589de97c.ac3f9d0a.76b7d.4ded@mx.google.com>
References: <589de97c.ac3f9d0a.76b7d.4ded@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <02d501d283be$68bae770$3a30b650$@gmail.com>

Double space. 
Just hit control a for select all, then het control 2 on the numbers row.
 Justin

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Subject: [nabs-l] formatting questions

Dear NABS friends,

I have a couple of questions about how to format a document in Word. How do
I get a document to be double spaced? And how do I put page numbers on it?
Any help is greatly appreciated.

Yours,
Sophie

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From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 10 16:55:02 2017
From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2017 11:55:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] formatting questions
In-Reply-To: <589de97c.ac3f9d0a.76b7d.4ded@mx.google.com>
References: <589de97c.ac3f9d0a.76b7d.4ded@mx.google.com>
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Hi Sophie,
To double space a document, highlight all text using Control a and
then press Control 2. To insert page numbers, go to Insert > Headers
and Footers > Page Numbers and then select where you want the page
number to be (e.g., top of page, bottom of page). Note that these
instructions are for MS Word 2010 - The menu layout for a newer
version of Word might be somewhat different. Hope this helps!
Katie

On 2/10/17, Sophie Trist via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Dear NABS friends,
>
> I have a couple of questions about how to format a document in
> Word. How do I get a document to be double spaced? And how do I
> put page numbers on it? Any help is greatly appreciated.
>
> Yours,
> Sophie
>
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From kidbrailler at aol.com  Fri Feb 10 17:51:40 2017
From: kidbrailler at aol.com (Alonza Harris)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2017 12:51:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] formatting questions
In-Reply-To: <589de97c.ac3f9d0a.76b7d.4ded@mx.google.com>
References: <589de97c.ac3f9d0a.76b7d.4ded@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <F47004AB-5199-418C-93D8-49F97C2C22EA@aol.com>

Hi Sophie, to insert page numbers in your document, click the page numbers button in the Header Footer group on the insert tab. You may also press Alt+n, n, u. Alt n selects the insert tab, n, u will bring up the page numbers gallery. Here, you are presented with options for where to place them. Choose from top of page, bottom of page, current position or margins. Once you decide where you want them placed, click your desired option, and you'll be presented with a second list of options, pertaining to how your page numbers should be displayed. I recommend one of the plain number options for most documents. Once all of that has been completed, press the enter key.
If you want a double-spaced document, try this:
1. Move your cursor to the beginning of the document by pressing control+home, then press control+a to select the document..
2. Press At+p, p, g. Alt P selects the page layout tab, the second part of this shortcut takes you to the paragraph dialogue box.
3 in the dialoge, press tab until your screenreader presents you with a line spacing drop-down list. First, however, in the dialogue box, make sure the indents and spacing tab is selected, as this is a multi tabbed dialogue box, you imnediately navigate to the line spacing option in the paragraph dialogue box with indents and spacing tab selected by pressing altn. At this option, arrow down until your screenreader anounces, "double" then tab to the okay button.

Hope this helps.

Alonza+

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 10, 2017, at 11:25, Sophie Trist via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear NABS friends,
> 
> I have a couple of questions about how to format a document in Word. How do I get a document to be double spaced? And how do I put page numbers on it? Any help is greatly appreciated.
> 
> Yours,
> Sophie
> 
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From spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Feb 10 20:06:35 2017
From: spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net (Jen)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2017 15:06:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] formatting questions
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Hi Sophie,

What version of Word and Windows do you have?

Jen
spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net



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Dear NABS friends,

I have a couple questions about how to format a document in Word. How do I
get a document to be double-spaced, and how do I put page numbers on it? Any
help is greatly appreciated.

Yours,
Sophie

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From dandrews at visi.com  Sat Feb 11 03:08:26 2017
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2017 21:08:26 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Subscribing Someone to the List
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At 06:22 PM 2/9/2017, Kerri Kosten via NABS-L wrote:
>Hi Everyone:
>I am trying to get an acquaintance subscribed to this list. She says
>she isn't receiving the confirmation email. I have suggested she look
>in her spam folder but she says it is not there either.
>Does anyone have any ideas of what could be going on?
>I just subscribed last week to the Rehab list and everything went fine
>for me. I received the confirmation email right away. I can't figure
>out what is going on.
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From emitchell927 at gmail.com  Sat Feb 11 07:04:15 2017
From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 02:04:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Kindle screen reader
Message-ID: <06459A09-A8AA-406B-82F4-C3E16820EA5B@gmail.com>

Dear, NABS 
Is there anyone who uses voice view screen reader on kindle? What are basic gestures?
Emma

Sent from my iPhone

From jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com  Sat Feb 11 11:29:43 2017
From: jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com (Jason Polansky)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 06:29:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Kindle screen reader
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I have not, but I've used it on my phone and it works pretty well. I haven't tried this personally, but go to www.yourtechvision.com. This is a web site from Dr. Denise Robinson. She has instructions for using word, excel, and powerpoint that you can purchase, but there are some free articles as well. There are a couple articles on her site about using kindle for PC and a program called codex to convert files to text. It should be one of the first things that you get to after the main links. Maybe ask someone to work with you to help you understand it and make sure you're following its instructions if you find it confusing. Hope this helps. 

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> Dear, NABS 
> Is there anyone who uses voice view screen reader on kindle? What are basic gestures?
> Emma
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From Justin.A.Haegele at hotmail.com  Sat Feb 11 13:16:25 2017
From: Justin.A.Haegele at hotmail.com (Justin Haegele)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 13:16:25 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Research on Physical Education - Recruitment
Message-ID: <BN6PR12MB1601269FEA78181F90B7625CD6470@BN6PR12MB1601.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Dear National Association of Blind Students:



We are conducting a study exploring the experiences of males and females with visual impairments in physical education. We are looking at how both gender and having a visual impairment impacted physical education experiences. To conduct this study we need the participation of adult aged-individuals with visual impairments. This study will ask participants to complete a 60-90 minute interview with a research team member, and to communicate via email several times afterwards. We are searching for 20 individuals who are legally blind, 18 to 35 years of age, and had a visual impairment during their k-12 experience.



All participants who complete the 60-90 minute interview will receive a $20.00 gift cards. If you, or someone you know, is interested in participating in this study, please email Justin Haegele at jhaegele at odu.edu.



If you have any questions regarding this study, please contact me. My information is below. Thank you,



Justin A. Haegele, PhD

Assistant Professor

Old Dominion University

Jhaegele at odu.edu

(757) 683 5338







From ligne14 at verizon.net  Sun Feb 12 00:37:14 2017
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 20:37:14 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about emailing professors and office hours
Message-ID: <0OL800FJAKFS9T90@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi all,

I hope you're enjoying your weekends.

I feel that most of my professors are very accommodating to all 
my needs.  However, one class that I'm taking, American Music, is  
an online class, and it seems to me that my professor is very 
unresponsive to the questions that I ask him.  I've run into a 
few technical problems with the website that we have to use, and 
I emailed my professor twice to tell him about them - the first 
time about a week and a half ago and the second time last night.  
Both times, he has not responded to my emails.  I'm starting to 
get really concerned, because there are already assignments that 
are overdue, and in my second email, I explicitly stated that I 
apologized in advance if I missed any deadlines, but I couldn't 
complete them unless he was going to help me solve these 
technical issues with the website.

I'm therefore seriously considering seeing him personally during 
his office hours to discuss these problems.  I'd like to ask you 
guys whether you think that I should send him an email to let him 
know that I want to stop by his office, or just show up? I'm 
especially wondering because, as I previously indicated, this guy 
seems to be very unresponsive to emails.

In college, they're always emphasizing the fact that all 
professors are there to help students, and that we should ask 
them for anything at any time.  (I've even had some professors 
that have responded to my email questions/handing in assignments 
on the weekends).  However, I'm really starting to question 
whether that's true for some people, for the reasons I've 
outlined above.

I really hope you guys can get back to me soon and answer my 
question, because, if I don't resolve these issues with my 
screenreader and the website  turn in any assignments on time by 
the end of the semester, I could be in serious danger of failing 
the course, which I obviously don't want.

Thanks very much and enjoy the rest of your weekend,

Sami


From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Sun Feb 12 00:43:15 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 16:43:15 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about emailing professors and office hours
In-Reply-To: <0OL800FJAKFS9T90@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net>
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Hi Sami,
I wouldn't be so concerned about the second email, because you sent it Friday night. Most of the staff at my school are not  checking emails on weekends. I've even had one who will only normally check on the days class is being held.
Based on the fact that he's not very responsive to emails, I would just show up. The syllabus should state the dates and  times.
Vejas

> On Feb 11, 2017, at 16:37, Sami Osborne via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I hope you're enjoying your weekends.
> 
> I feel that most of my professors are very accommodating to all my needs.  However, one class that I'm taking, American Music, is  an online class, and it seems to me that my professor is very unresponsive to the questions that I ask him.  I've run into a few technical problems with the website that we have to use, and I emailed my professor twice to tell him about them - the first time about a week and a half ago and the second time last night.  Both times, he has not responded to my emails.  I'm starting to get really concerned, because there are already assignments that are overdue, and in my second email, I explicitly stated that I apologized in advance if I missed any deadlines, but I couldn't complete them unless he was going to help me solve these technical issues with the website.
> 
> I'm therefore seriously considering seeing him personally during his office hours to discuss these problems.  I'd like to ask you guys whether you think that I should send him an email to let him know that I want to stop by his office, or just show up? I'm especially wondering because, as I previously indicated, this guy seems to be very unresponsive to emails.
> 
> In college, they're always emphasizing the fact that all professors are there to help students, and that we should ask them for anything at any time.  (I've even had some professors that have responded to my email questions/handing in assignments on the weekends).  However, I'm really starting to question whether that's true for some people, for the reasons I've outlined above.
> 
> I really hope you guys can get back to me soon and answer my question, because, if I don't resolve these issues with my screenreader and the website  turn in any assignments on time by the end of the semester, I could be in serious danger of failing the course, which I obviously don't want.
> 
> Thanks very much and enjoy the rest of your weekend,
> 
> Sami
> 
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From emitchell927 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 12 00:44:50 2017
From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 19:44:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about emailing professors and office hours
In-Reply-To: <0OL800FJAKFS9T90@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0OL800FJAKFS9T90@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <D15006E3-D017-4EFC-BBD8-FE20D0043822@gmail.com>

Hey
Go to his scheduled office hours and knock on his door.
Emma

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 11, 2017, at 7:37 PM, Sami Osborne via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I hope you're enjoying your weekends.
> 
> I feel that most of my professors are very accommodating to all my needs.  However, one class that I'm taking, American Music, is  an online class, and it seems to me that my professor is very unresponsive to the questions that I ask him.  I've run into a few technical problems with the website that we have to use, and I emailed my professor twice to tell him about them - the first time about a week and a half ago and the second time last night.  Both times, he has not responded to my emails.  I'm starting to get really concerned, because there are already assignments that are overdue, and in my second email, I explicitly stated that I apologized in advance if I missed any deadlines, but I couldn't complete them unless he was going to help me solve these technical issues with the website.
> 
> I'm therefore seriously considering seeing him personally during his office hours to discuss these problems.  I'd like to ask you guys whether you think that I should send him an email to let him know that I want to stop by his office, or just show up? I'm especially wondering because, as I previously indicated, this guy seems to be very unresponsive to emails.
> 
> In college, they're always emphasizing the fact that all professors are there to help students, and that we should ask them for anything at any time.  (I've even had some professors that have responded to my email questions/handing in assignments on the weekends).  However, I'm really starting to question whether that's true for some people, for the reasons I've outlined above.
> 
> I really hope you guys can get back to me soon and answer my question, because, if I don't resolve these issues with my screenreader and the website  turn in any assignments on time by the end of the semester, I could be in serious danger of failing the course, which I obviously don't want.
> 
> Thanks very much and enjoy the rest of your weekend,
> 
> Sami
> 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 12 00:48:21 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 19:48:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about emailing professors and office hours
In-Reply-To: <0OL800FJAKFS9T90@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0OL800FJAKFS9T90@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <01a201d284c9$b6113680$2233a380$@gmail.com>

Just show up. You've already sent him the e-mails.
 Also, you may want to involve your disability office at this point sense he
is so unresponsive.
 Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sami Osborne
via NABS-L
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 7:37 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Sami Osborne <ligne14 at verizon.net>
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about emailing professors and office hours

Hi all,

I hope you're enjoying your weekends.

I feel that most of my professors are very accommodating to all my needs.
However, one class that I'm taking, American Music, is an online class, and
it seems to me that my professor is very unresponsive to the questions that
I ask him.  I've run into a few technical problems with the website that we
have to use, and I emailed my professor twice to tell him about them - the
first time about a week and a half ago and the second time last night.  
Both times, he has not responded to my emails.  I'm starting to get really
concerned, because there are already assignments that are overdue, and in my
second email, I explicitly stated that I apologized in advance if I missed
any deadlines, but I couldn't complete them unless he was going to help me
solve these technical issues with the website.

I'm therefore seriously considering seeing him personally during his office
hours to discuss these problems.  I'd like to ask you guys whether you think
that I should send him an email to let him know that I want to stop by his
office, or just show up? I'm especially wondering because, as I previously
indicated, this guy seems to be very unresponsive to emails.

In college, they're always emphasizing the fact that all professors are
there to help students, and that we should ask them for anything at any
time.  (I've even had some professors that have responded to my email
questions/handing in assignments on the weekends).  However, I'm really
starting to question whether that's true for some people, for the reasons
I've outlined above.

I really hope you guys can get back to me soon and answer my question,
because, if I don't resolve these issues with my screenreader and the
website  turn in any assignments on time by the end of the semester, I could
be in serious danger of failing the course, which I obviously don't want.

Thanks very much and enjoy the rest of your weekend,

Sami

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From sarah at sarahblakelarose.com  Sun Feb 12 00:52:14 2017
From: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com (sarah at sarahblakelarose.com)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 19:52:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about emailing professors and office hours
In-Reply-To: <9EF85F3D-4044-4C46-AF9C-6FFBAE4286E2@gmail.com>
References: <0OL800FJAKFS9T90@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net>
	<9EF85F3D-4044-4C46-AF9C-6FFBAE4286E2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00fc01d284ca$40a7e190$c1f7a4b0$@sarahblakelarose.com>

If you have technical issues with the web site, it is best to contact your
school's IT support. Professors are often not equipped to handle this side
of online teaching--a good one will refer you to IT support for this type of
troubleshooting.

As for your professor being so unresponsive to your emails, this is worth a
contact to your dean. Many schools require professors who teach online
courses to be responsive to email contacts from students. Mine does, and I
make it a point to check mail regularly when my class is in session.


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 7:43 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about emailing professors and office hours

Hi Sami,
I wouldn't be so concerned about the second email, because you sent it
Friday night. Most of the staff at my school are not  checking emails on
weekends. I've even had one who will only normally check on the days class
is being held.
Based on the fact that he's not very responsive to emails, I would just show
up. The syllabus should state the dates and  times.
Vejas

> On Feb 11, 2017, at 16:37, Sami Osborne via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I hope you're enjoying your weekends.
> 
> I feel that most of my professors are very accommodating to all my needs.
However, one class that I'm taking, American Music, is  an online class, and
it seems to me that my professor is very unresponsive to the questions that
I ask him.  I've run into a few technical problems with the website that we
have to use, and I emailed my professor twice to tell him about them - the
first time about a week and a half ago and the second time last night.  Both
times, he has not responded to my emails.  I'm starting to get really
concerned, because there are already assignments that are overdue, and in my
second email, I explicitly stated that I apologized in advance if I missed
any deadlines, but I couldn't complete them unless he was going to help me
solve these technical issues with the website.
> 
> I'm therefore seriously considering seeing him personally during his
office hours to discuss these problems.  I'd like to ask you guys whether
you think that I should send him an email to let him know that I want to
stop by his office, or just show up? I'm especially wondering because, as I
previously indicated, this guy seems to be very unresponsive to emails.
> 
> In college, they're always emphasizing the fact that all professors are
there to help students, and that we should ask them for anything at any
time.  (I've even had some professors that have responded to my email
questions/handing in assignments on the weekends).  However, I'm really
starting to question whether that's true for some people, for the reasons
I've outlined above.
> 
> I really hope you guys can get back to me soon and answer my question,
because, if I don't resolve these issues with my screenreader and the
website  turn in any assignments on time by the end of the semester, I could
be in serious danger of failing the course, which I obviously don't want.
> 
> Thanks very much and enjoy the rest of your weekend,
> 
> Sami
> 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 12 00:56:04 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 19:56:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about emailing professors and office hours
In-Reply-To: <00fc01d284ca$40a7e190$c1f7a4b0$@sarahblakelarose.com>
References: <0OL800FJAKFS9T90@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net>	<9EF85F3D-4044-4C46-AF9C-6FFBAE4286E2@gmail.com>
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I wouldn't contact the dean though unless you really have too. If you can
work it out, then leave the dean out.
 Justin

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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about emailing professors and office hours

If you have technical issues with the web site, it is best to contact your
school's IT support. Professors are often not equipped to handle this side
of online teaching--a good one will refer you to IT support for this type of
troubleshooting.

As for your professor being so unresponsive to your emails, this is worth a
contact to your dean. Many schools require professors who teach online
courses to be responsive to email contacts from students. Mine does, and I
make it a point to check mail regularly when my class is in session.


-----Original Message-----
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Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 7:43 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about emailing professors and office hours

Hi Sami,
I wouldn't be so concerned about the second email, because you sent it
Friday night. Most of the staff at my school are not  checking emails on
weekends. I've even had one who will only normally check on the days class
is being held.
Based on the fact that he's not very responsive to emails, I would just show
up. The syllabus should state the dates and  times.
Vejas

> On Feb 11, 2017, at 16:37, Sami Osborne via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I hope you're enjoying your weekends.
> 
> I feel that most of my professors are very accommodating to all my needs.
However, one class that I'm taking, American Music, is  an online class, and
it seems to me that my professor is very unresponsive to the questions that
I ask him.  I've run into a few technical problems with the website that we
have to use, and I emailed my professor twice to tell him about them - the
first time about a week and a half ago and the second time last night.  Both
times, he has not responded to my emails.  I'm starting to get really
concerned, because there are already assignments that are overdue, and in my
second email, I explicitly stated that I apologized in advance if I missed
any deadlines, but I couldn't complete them unless he was going to help me
solve these technical issues with the website.
> 
> I'm therefore seriously considering seeing him personally during his
office hours to discuss these problems.  I'd like to ask you guys whether
you think that I should send him an email to let him know that I want to
stop by his office, or just show up? I'm especially wondering because, as I
previously indicated, this guy seems to be very unresponsive to emails.
> 
> In college, they're always emphasizing the fact that all professors 
> are
there to help students, and that we should ask them for anything at any
time.  (I've even had some professors that have responded to my email
questions/handing in assignments on the weekends).  However, I'm really
starting to question whether that's true for some people, for the reasons
I've outlined above.
> 
> I really hope you guys can get back to me soon and answer my question,
because, if I don't resolve these issues with my screenreader and the
website  turn in any assignments on time by the end of the semester, I could
be in serious danger of failing the course, which I obviously don't want.
> 
> Thanks very much and enjoy the rest of your weekend,
> 
> Sami
> 
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From carolinarose422 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 12 01:05:13 2017
From: carolinarose422 at gmail.com (Kiana Harlan)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 20:05:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about emailing professors and office hours
In-Reply-To: <9EF85F3D-4044-4C46-AF9C-6FFBAE4286E2@gmail.com>
References: <0OL800FJAKFS9T90@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net>
	<9EF85F3D-4044-4C46-AF9C-6FFBAE4286E2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1A18EAD6-7646-48EA-8EFD-61E048309B9C@gmail.com>

Hi,
I would just drop by during his office hours. That's what they're there for. I know how frustrating a non-responsive professor can be. 

Best of luck!
Kiana 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 11, 2017, at 7:43 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Sami,
> I wouldn't be so concerned about the second email, because you sent it Friday night. Most of the staff at my school are not  checking emails on weekends. I've even had one who will only normally check on the days class is being held.
> Based on the fact that he's not very responsive to emails, I would just show up. The syllabus should state the dates and  times.
> Vejas
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2017, at 16:37, Sami Osborne via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I hope you're enjoying your weekends.
>> 
>> I feel that most of my professors are very accommodating to all my needs.  However, one class that I'm taking, American Music, is  an online class, and it seems to me that my professor is very unresponsive to the questions that I ask him.  I've run into a few technical problems with the website that we have to use, and I emailed my professor twice to tell him about them - the first time about a week and a half ago and the second time last night.  Both times, he has not responded to my emails.  I'm starting to get really concerned, because there are already assignments that are overdue, and in my second email, I explicitly stated that I apologized in advance if I missed any deadlines, but I couldn't complete them unless he was going to help me solve these technical issues with the website.
>> 
>> I'm therefore seriously considering seeing him personally during his office hours to discuss these problems.  I'd like to ask you guys whether you think that I should send him an email to let him know that I want to stop by his office, or just show up? I'm especially wondering because, as I previously indicated, this guy seems to be very unresponsive to emails.
>> 
>> In college, they're always emphasizing the fact that all professors are there to help students, and that we should ask them for anything at any time.  (I've even had some professors that have responded to my email questions/handing in assignments on the weekends).  However, I'm really starting to question whether that's true for some people, for the reasons I've outlined above.
>> 
>> I really hope you guys can get back to me soon and answer my question, because, if I don't resolve these issues with my screenreader and the website  turn in any assignments on time by the end of the semester, I could be in serious danger of failing the course, which I obviously don't want.
>> 
>> Thanks very much and enjoy the rest of your weekend,
>> 
>> Sami
>> 
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 12 02:30:34 2017
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 21:30:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about emailing professors and office hours
Message-ID: <589fc8f0.d3aa370a.42bf1.ddca@mx.google.com>

It's not your professor's job to provide technical support, and 
they almost certainly aren't equipped to do so.  Try contacting 
your school's IT department or technical support at the company 
that runs the website.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Sami Osborne via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 20:37:14 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about emailing professors and office 
hours

Hi all,

I hope you're enjoying your weekends.

I feel that most of my professors are very accommodating to all
my needs.  However, one class that I'm taking, American Music, is
an online class, and it seems to me that my professor is very
unresponsive to the questions that I ask him.  I've run into a
few technical problems with the website that we have to use, and
I emailed my professor twice to tell him about them - the first
time about a week and a half ago and the second time last night.
Both times, he has not responded to my emails.  I'm starting to
get really concerned, because there are already assignments that
are overdue, and in my second email, I explicitly stated that I
apologized in advance if I missed any deadlines, but I couldn't
complete them unless he was going to help me solve these
technical issues with the website.

I'm therefore seriously considering seeing him personally during
his office hours to discuss these problems.  I'd like to ask you
guys whether you think that I should send him an email to let him
know that I want to stop by his office, or just show up? I'm
especially wondering because, as I previously indicated, this guy
seems to be very unresponsive to emails.

In college, they're always emphasizing the fact that all
professors are there to help students, and that we should ask
them for anything at any time.  (I've even had some professors
that have responded to my email questions/handing in assignments
on the weekends).  However, I'm really starting to question
whether that's true for some people, for the reasons I've
outlined above.

I really hope you guys can get back to me soon and answer my
question, because, if I don't resolve these issues with my
screenreader and the website  turn in any assignments on time by
the end of the semester, I could be in serious danger of failing
the course, which I obviously don't want.

Thanks very much and enjoy the rest of your weekend,

Sami

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From ahbeeorton at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 12 18:33:05 2017
From: ahbeeorton at yahoo.com (Ahbee Orton)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2017 12:33:05 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] AP Chemistry and Pre-Calcus
Message-ID: <7E48DEF6-DF3D-46F2-A9BF-577CD1A175CB@yahoo.com>

Hi All, 

I want to know who has or is taking AP Chemistry and Pre-Calc. I am considering taking these courses next year from my high school. How did you learn things? Did you use certain equipment to do certain things? I know of the LabQuest. Anything else that I need to know? Thanks so much! 

Ahbee 


Sent from Ahbee's iPhone


From rstraverzo at gmail.com  Sun Feb 12 22:49:25 2017
From: rstraverzo at gmail.com (tehrst .)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2017 16:49:25 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] AP Chemistry and Pre-Calcus
In-Reply-To: <7E48DEF6-DF3D-46F2-A9BF-577CD1A175CB@yahoo.com>
References: <7E48DEF6-DF3D-46F2-A9BF-577CD1A175CB@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CABNBRcp7KMkVFFuoud10toWA7k5y7ebC5GTcZpdnL32PNfMi7Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ahbee,

 I'm Richard Traverzo. I'm a member of the Kansas student division and I
also teach physics at my local university.

I would highly recommend using some tactile graphics. Having someone draw
the functions and graphs for pre-calc will really help with the conceptual
parts of that class. If you have a Han tutor& insist they draw as many
functions as possible.

For chemistry having some magnetic kits for piecing the molecules will help.

Good luck!

-Richard

On Feb 12, 2017 1:23 PM, "Ahbee Orton via NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

Hi All,

I want to know who has or is taking AP Chemistry and Pre-Calc. I am
considering taking these courses next year from my high school. How did you
learn things? Did you use certain equipment to do certain things? I know of
the LabQuest. Anything else that I need to know? Thanks so much!

Ahbee


Sent from Ahbee's iPhone

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From misokwak12 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 12 22:58:58 2017
From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2017 14:58:58 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] AP Chemistry and Pre-Calcus
In-Reply-To: <CABNBRcp7KMkVFFuoud10toWA7k5y7ebC5GTcZpdnL32PNfMi7Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7E48DEF6-DF3D-46F2-A9BF-577CD1A175CB@yahoo.com>
	<CABNBRcp7KMkVFFuoud10toWA7k5y7ebC5GTcZpdnL32PNfMi7Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMe9x_G1Sisng7axCm1vZ1Ei3eu5nQ+pC-OBoU_9ais5q2=o7A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ahbee,
It has been a while but I did take AP chemistry and precalculus as a
high school student.
For me having materials in Braille along with appropriate tactile
graphics was crucial. I also used talking scientific calculator.
Plastic model kit will come handy for AP chemistry especially when you
learn about molecular structures and organic chemistry.
Finally, my AP chemistry teacher supported me through help after
school (he did this not just for me but my sighted classmates as well)
when there were things that I did not understand from the class
session.
My point of bringing this up is that it will be important for you to
have a teacher who is willing to work with you. If it is possible, try
to get assigned to a teacher who is open to working with you. Most
likely the teacher will never have taught a blind student in AP class
before (that was true for me although I had him in regular chemistry
class leading up to AP). Similarly, it will be new for you to work on
the materials so working together between you and the teacher and any
other support staff (e.g., tvi) will be an important aspect of your
success.

Best,
Miso

On 2/12/17, tehrst . via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Ahbee,
>
>  I'm Richard Traverzo. I'm a member of the Kansas student division and I
> also teach physics at my local university.
>
> I would highly recommend using some tactile graphics. Having someone draw
> the functions and graphs for pre-calc will really help with the conceptual
> parts of that class. If you have a Han tutor& insist they draw as many
> functions as possible.
>
> For chemistry having some magnetic kits for piecing the molecules will
> help.
>
> Good luck!
>
> -Richard
>
> On Feb 12, 2017 1:23 PM, "Ahbee Orton via NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I want to know who has or is taking AP Chemistry and Pre-Calc. I am
> considering taking these courses next year from my high school. How did you
> learn things? Did you use certain equipment to do certain things? I know of
> the LabQuest. Anything else that I need to know? Thanks so much!
>
> Ahbee
>
>
> Sent from Ahbee's iPhone
>
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Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
(909) 660-1897


From kevinchao89 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 13 00:19:26 2017
From: kevinchao89 at gmail.com (Kevin Chao)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 00:19:26 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: more TV providers provide talking menus for blind
 subscribers
In-Reply-To: <auto-000073163164@mailfront2.g2host.com>
References: <auto-000073163164@mailfront2.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <CAFPgekOnRP7-7Wn-LS8=ZsnsMv2v7==g5-nKghjMUt7NyjYChQ@mail.gmail.com>

I've DIsh Hopper 3 with text to speech, but the voice is low-quality and
the speech rate is slow. Can this be changed?

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 5:18 PM David Andrews via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> The area of accessible television is getting more
> activity of late -- this information may interest you.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: Ray Foret jr <rforet7706 at comcast.net>
> >Subject: more TV providors provide talking menus for blind subscribers
> >Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 02:50:28 -0600
> >To: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
> >
> >Greetings,
> >As we all know, the Federal Communications
> >Commission has inacted the Telecommunications
> >act which requires provision for talking menu
> >and or talking guide structure for blind
> >subscribers of TV providing services.  The first
> >link is critically important for it leads to a
> >FAQ sheet in which there is information for filing complaints if
> necessary:
> >
> ><
> https://www.fcc.gov/television-and-set-top-box-controls-menus-program-guides-factsheet
> >
> https://www.fcc.gov/television-and-set-top-box-controls-menus-program-guides-factsheet
> >
> >
> >Following is a list of TV providers who now
> >provide some kind of audio or talking menu
> >structure for blind subscribers.  Mostly, these
> >providers require that the subscriber have the
> >top of the line DVR box for this to work.  I
> >must admit that I was quite surprised to see the
> >TV satellite companies on board.
> >
> >
> >Comcast:
> >
> ><http://www.comcast.com/accessibility>www.comcast.com/accessibility
> >
> >Tivo:
> ><https://www.tivo.com/accessibility>https://www.tivo.com/accessibility
> >Spectrum, (formerly Charter)
> ><
> http://www.charter.net/support/accessibility/talking-guide-spectrum-guide-support/
> >
> http://www.charter.net/support/accessibility/talking-guide-spectrum-guide-support/
> >Direct TV:
> ><https://support.directv.com/equipment/talking-guide-faq>
> https://support.directv.com/equipment/talking-guide-faq
> >and Dish Network:
> ><https://www.dish.com/accessibility/>https://www.dish.com/accessibility/
> >Verizon Fios:
> ><http://www.verizon.com/about/accessibility/text-speech?pos=1>
> http://www.verizon.com/about/accessibility/text-speech?pos=1
> >
> >Of course, Apple TV is accessible and that’s always a plus too.
> >
> >
> >
> >Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full
> >accessibility for the blind built-in
> >
> >Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> >
> >Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice
> >Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Feb 13 00:29:20 2017
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2017 19:29:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about emailing professors and office hours
In-Reply-To: <0OL800FJAKFS9T90@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0OL800FJAKFS9T90@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <9EABC936C62048498AF3EA41B2956864@OwnerPC>

Sami,


I would send him an email and say you will stop by and when. Then its not a 
surprise to him.
Definitely use office hours; that is what they are for.

Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Sami Osborne via NABS-L
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 7:37 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Sami Osborne
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about emailing professors and office hours

Hi all,

I hope you're enjoying your weekends.

I feel that most of my professors are very accommodating to all
my needs.  However, one class that I'm taking, American Music, is
an online class, and it seems to me that my professor is very
unresponsive to the questions that I ask him.  I've run into a
few technical problems with the website that we have to use, and
I emailed my professor twice to tell him about them - the first
time about a week and a half ago and the second time last night.
Both times, he has not responded to my emails.  I'm starting to
get really concerned, because there are already assignments that
are overdue, and in my second email, I explicitly stated that I
apologized in advance if I missed any deadlines, but I couldn't
complete them unless he was going to help me solve these
technical issues with the website.

I'm therefore seriously considering seeing him personally during
his office hours to discuss these problems.  I'd like to ask you
guys whether you think that I should send him an email to let him
know that I want to stop by his office, or just show up? I'm
especially wondering because, as I previously indicated, this guy
seems to be very unresponsive to emails.

In college, they're always emphasizing the fact that all
professors are there to help students, and that we should ask
them for anything at any time.  (I've even had some professors
that have responded to my email questions/handing in assignments
on the weekends).  However, I'm really starting to question
whether that's true for some people, for the reasons I've
outlined above.

I really hope you guys can get back to me soon and answer my
question, because, if I don't resolve these issues with my
screenreader and the website  turn in any assignments on time by
the end of the semester, I could be in serious danger of failing
the course, which I obviously don't want.

Thanks very much and enjoy the rest of your weekend,

Sami

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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Mon Feb 13 11:12:07 2017
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster, NABS President)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 06:12:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] We need your help: Join the 2017 NABS Fundraising
 Committee! Meeting's tonight!
Message-ID: <018701d285ea$0442e4e0$0cc8aea0$@gmail.com>

Fellow students,

 

The projects and programs of our movement stems from the money we raise to
execute such events. We could not have brought 20+ students to Washington
Seminar without our fundraising efforts; we cannot send our student leaders
across the nation to mentor our youth and bring cohesion to our divisions
without funding; we cannot host several events at national Convention this
year as our 50th anniversary quickly approaches without our efforts. So, I
am calling on you to help us in reaching our goals for the 2017 year!

 

Fundraising is not for everyone, but I promise we can find a project for you
on this committee. It doesn't have to involve asking people for money or
filling out grants; we can make it fun! But, regardless, I am asking for
your help in broadening our membership base, planning engaging and exciting
events, and lending a hand in making the 2017 Fundraising Committee a
success!

 

If you are interested, join us tonight, Monday, February 13 at 9pm eastern.

Call: 605-475-6700;

  Access code: 7869673.

 

If tonight does not work for you, but you are still interested in joining
our efforts, send me an email or give me a call; and I'd be more than happy
to update you after the call and see you can fit into the work we are doing.

 

I am immensely grateful for your efforts; and look forward to hearing from
some of you tonight at 9pm eastern!

 

Best,

Kathryn Webster

Chair | NABS Fundraising Committee

President | National Association of Blind Students


From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 14 02:42:43 2017
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 21:42:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Classroom help please. in
References: <58a256e0.41bc370a.39425.ddb6@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <52898B5B-B76D-4DAA-AA8A-6F06356CA054@gmail.com>



Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: nesma <nesmaaly123 at gmail.com>
> Date: February 13, 2017 at 20:01:18 EST
> To: naturelovingmom at gmail.com
> Cc: BrailleNote <braillenote at freelists.org>, Greg Stilson <greg.stilson at humanware.com>
> Subject: Classroom help please. in
> 
> keep

From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Feb 14 18:41:00 2017
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 12:41:00 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Re: STEM Education
Message-ID: <auto-000076475483@mailfront2.g2host.com>


>
>Hello,
>
>
>My name is Elliot Krause, I'm with a group of engineering students 
>at UNC Chapel Hill designing 3D models to aid visually impaired 
>students with STEM education. We are looking for students who would 
>be willing to help us determine which models they most need, help 
>with design, and test them to determine their effectiveness. If you 
>have any questions or are interested please email me at sekrause at live.unc.edu
>
>
>Thank you,
>
>Elliot Krause



From dragoshi11 at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 15 16:45:46 2017
From: dragoshi11 at hotmail.com (Rilind Dragoshi)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 16:45:46 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Regarding Braille Note Issues And French Accented Letters
 on Laptop
Message-ID: <YTOPR01MB01541D355738C38A487B8A53C25B0@YTOPR01MB0154.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hello everyone.
I have a couple of questions about my Braille Note Apex, and about letters also, as a result of some technical issues. I had a problem with my braille note where when the battery had died, I plugged it in. It had first wanted to do the reset, but had said "restoring Partition", and then not resetting fully but rather just saying "keeper load failed", and then shutting down. I called Humanware and they think it may be an adapter issue, since it happened when the battery was removed also, when they had asked to do a test without the battery. The adapter comes this week so I will find out soon enough if it will be resolved or if there's something else happening.
I'm wondering, has anyone had this issue before and how was it solved?

Also, as it may be that if I have to send it away I may need to use my laptop even more, for things such as French for my French course I am wondering, does anyone know how to switch languages for Microsoft Office 2010 documents? Also, on a laptop, (windows PC), how do you type accented letters.
Thanks and I definitely appreciate any help.
Rilind.

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>
>Hello,
>
>
>My name is Elliot Krause, I'm with a group of engineering students at 
>UNC Chapel Hill designing 3D models to aid visually impaired students 
>with STEM education. We are looking for students who would be willing 
>to help us determine which models they most need, help with design, and 
>test them to determine their effectiveness. If you have any questions 
>or are interested please email me at sekrause at live.unc.edu
>
>
>Thank you,
>
>Elliot Krause




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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Wed Feb 15 20:19:07 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 12:19:07 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Regarding Braille Note Issues And French Accented
 Letters on Laptop
In-Reply-To: <YTOPR01MB01541D355738C38A487B8A53C25B0@YTOPR01MB0154.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <YTOPR01MB01541D355738C38A487B8A53C25B0@YTOPR01MB0154.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <3E03AC53-08AE-4C5E-8470-4242203532BF@gmail.com>

Hi Rilind,
I do not know much about French, because I have only taken Spanish. But in my experience, the "restoring partition" message is very concerning. My Apex displayed this message at one point  and I could not get it to wake up. I was able to wake it up after plugging it in, but then about a month later, the same message and  it could not wake up. So in my experience, sadly, this message either means that the system is failing or will fail soon.  I really hope this is not the case and that your adapter can fix the prblem. 
Vejas

> On Feb 15, 2017, at 08:45, Rilind Dragoshi via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone.
> I have a couple of questions about my Braille Note Apex, and about letters also, as a result of some technical issues. I had a problem with my braille note where when the battery had died, I plugged it in. It had first wanted to do the reset, but had said "restoring Partition", and then not resetting fully but rather just saying "keeper load failed", and then shutting down. I called Humanware and they think it may be an adapter issue, since it happened when the battery was removed also, when they had asked to do a test without the battery. The adapter comes this week so I will find out soon enough if it will be resolved or if there's something else happening.
> I'm wondering, has anyone had this issue before and how was it solved?
> 
> Also, as it may be that if I have to send it away I may need to use my laptop even more, for things such as French for my French course I am wondering, does anyone know how to switch languages for Microsoft Office 2010 documents? Also, on a laptop, (windows PC), how do you type accented letters.
> Thanks and I definitely appreciate any help.
> Rilind.
> 
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> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 12:41:00 -0600
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> 
> 
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> 
>> My name is Elliot Krause, I'm with a group of engineering students at 
>> UNC Chapel Hill designing 3D models to aid visually impaired students 
>> with STEM education. We are looking for students who would be willing 
>> to help us determine which models they most need, help with design, and 
>> test them to determine their effectiveness. If you have any questions 
>> or are interested please email me at sekrause at live.unc.edu
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Elliot Krause
> 
> 
> 
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From mausbun at unr.edu  Wed Feb 15 20:35:31 2017
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 20:35:31 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Important: invite to the Legislative Committee
Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B2372337E@UBOX3.unr.edu>

Dear NABSTERS:
As students, we are constantly battling for equal access to our materials that are provided by our professors, peers, and universities. Materials might include textbooks, handouts, or even learning management systems. Equal access is a right, not a privilege, and as such, we should not have to fight to gain equal access. The time to change this is now. 
One of the National Federation of the Blind's priorities for the 2017 legislative year is the Accessible Instructional materials in Higher Education act (AIM-HEA). As students, we should be on the front lines–after all, this affects us directly. I am calling upon all of you; not merely to join in the fight to ensure equal access for you and me, but for all future blind students who will follow in our footsteps.
You might be thinking now, “how do I get involved?” or “how do I get on the front lines?” The answer is to join the legislative committee of the National Association of Blind Students, a proud division of the National Federation of the Blind.
To join the legislative committee, you only need to call in on the following dates and times, listen and discuss, and advocate for our legislative priorities. The dates are listed below. I hope to see you all on the next call of the legislative committee!
Date: Third Monday of the month
Time: 9 P.M. Eastern, 8 Central, 7 Mountain, and 6 pacific
Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun
Chair | Legislative Committee
Secretary | national Association of Blind Students


From emitchell927 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 15 20:50:03 2017
From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 15:50:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Important: invite to the Legislative Committee
In-Reply-To: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B2372337E@UBOX3.unr.edu>
References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B2372337E@UBOX3.unr.edu>
Message-ID: <05FEE515-D025-4B8C-A034-DAC367D767EF@gmail.com>

What is the date of the call?
Emma

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 15, 2017, at 3:35 PM, Michael D Ausbun via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear NABSTERS:
> As students, we are constantly battling for equal access to our materials that are provided by our professors, peers, and universities. Materials might include textbooks, handouts, or even learning management systems. Equal access is a right, not a privilege, and as such, we should not have to fight to gain equal access. The time to change this is now. 
> One of the National Federation of the Blind's priorities for the 2017 legislative year is the Accessible Instructional materials in Higher Education act (AIM-HEA). As students, we should be on the front lines–after all, this affects us directly. I am calling upon all of you; not merely to join in the fight to ensure equal access for you and me, but for all future blind students who will follow in our footsteps.
> You might be thinking now, “how do I get involved?” or “how do I get on the front lines?” The answer is to join the legislative committee of the National Association of Blind Students, a proud division of the National Federation of the Blind.
> To join the legislative committee, you only need to call in on the following dates and times, listen and discuss, and advocate for our legislative priorities. The dates are listed below. I hope to see you all on the next call of the legislative committee!
> Date: Third Monday of the month
> Time: 9 P.M. Eastern, 8 Central, 7 Mountain, and 6 pacific
> Respectfully,
> Michael Ausbun
> Chair | Legislative Committee
> Secretary | national Association of Blind Students
> 
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From theweird1 at mediacombb.net  Wed Feb 15 21:51:30 2017
From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 15:51:30 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Important: invite to the Legislative Committee
In-Reply-To: e6JWcFxLfZ65Ye6JZcsZdz
References: e6JWcFxLfZ65Ye6JZcsZdz
Message-ID: <006401d287d5$aae3b800$00ab2800$@mediacombb.net>

What is the phone number?  

Loren 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael D
Ausbun via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 2:36 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Michael D Ausbun
Subject: [nabs-l] Important: invite to the Legislative Committee

Dear NABSTERS:
As students, we are constantly battling for equal access to our materials
that are provided by our professors, peers, and universities. Materials
might include textbooks, handouts, or even learning management systems.
Equal access is a right, not a privilege, and as such, we should not have to
fight to gain equal access. The time to change this is now. 
One of the National Federation of the Blind's priorities for the 2017
legislative year is the Accessible Instructional materials in Higher
Education act (AIM-HEA). As students, we should be on the front lines-after
all, this affects us directly. I am calling upon all of you; not merely to
join in the fight to ensure equal access for you and me, but for all future
blind students who will follow in our footsteps.
You might be thinking now, "how do I get involved?" or "how do I get on the
front lines?" The answer is to join the legislative committee of the
National Association of Blind Students, a proud division of the National
Federation of the Blind.
To join the legislative committee, you only need to call in on the following
dates and times, listen and discuss, and advocate for our legislative
priorities. The dates are listed below. I hope to see you all on the next
call of the legislative committee!
Date: Third Monday of the month
Time: 9 P.M. Eastern, 8 Central, 7 Mountain, and 6 pacific Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun Chair | Legislative Committee Secretary | national
Association of Blind Students

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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Wed Feb 15 22:30:08 2017
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster, NABS President)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 17:30:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Important: invite to the Legislative Committee
In-Reply-To: <006401d287d5$aae3b800$00ab2800$@mediacombb.net>
References: e6JWcFxLfZ65Ye6JZcsZdz
	<006401d287d5$aae3b800$00ab2800$@mediacombb.net>
Message-ID: <00a101d287db$10e16440$32a42cc0$@gmail.com>

The call in information is as follows:
Call: 605-475-6700
  Access code: 7869673

Best,
Kathryn

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Loren Wakefield
via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:52 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Loren Wakefield <theweird1 at mediacombb.net>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Important: invite to the Legislative Committee

What is the phone number?  

Loren 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael D
Ausbun via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 2:36 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Michael D Ausbun
Subject: [nabs-l] Important: invite to the Legislative Committee

Dear NABSTERS:
As students, we are constantly battling for equal access to our materials
that are provided by our professors, peers, and universities. Materials
might include textbooks, handouts, or even learning management systems.
Equal access is a right, not a privilege, and as such, we should not have to
fight to gain equal access. The time to change this is now. 
One of the National Federation of the Blind's priorities for the 2017
legislative year is the Accessible Instructional materials in Higher
Education act (AIM-HEA). As students, we should be on the front lines-after
all, this affects us directly. I am calling upon all of you; not merely to
join in the fight to ensure equal access for you and me, but for all future
blind students who will follow in our footsteps.
You might be thinking now, "how do I get involved?" or "how do I get on the
front lines?" The answer is to join the legislative committee of the
National Association of Blind Students, a proud division of the National
Federation of the Blind.
To join the legislative committee, you only need to call in on the following
dates and times, listen and discuss, and advocate for our legislative
priorities. The dates are listed below. I hope to see you all on the next
call of the legislative committee!
Date: Third Monday of the month
Time: 9 P.M. Eastern, 8 Central, 7 Mountain, and 6 pacific Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun Chair | Legislative Committee Secretary | national
Association of Blind Students

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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Wed Feb 15 22:30:39 2017
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster, NABS President)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 17:30:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Important: invite to the Legislative Committee
In-Reply-To: <05FEE515-D025-4B8C-A034-DAC367D767EF@gmail.com>
References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B2372337E@UBOX3.unr.edu>
	<05FEE515-D025-4B8C-A034-DAC367D767EF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00a201d287db$232599a0$6970cce0$@gmail.com>

The date of this month's call is Monday, February 20 at 9pm eastern.

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Emma Mitchell via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:50 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Emma Mitchell <emitchell927 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Important: invite to the Legislative Committee

What is the date of the call?
Emma

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 15, 2017, at 3:35 PM, Michael D Ausbun via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear NABSTERS:
> As students, we are constantly battling for equal access to our materials that are provided by our professors, peers, and universities. Materials might include textbooks, handouts, or even learning management systems. Equal access is a right, not a privilege, and as such, we should not have to fight to gain equal access. The time to change this is now. 
> One of the National Federation of the Blind's priorities for the 2017 legislative year is the Accessible Instructional materials in Higher Education act (AIM-HEA). As students, we should be on the front lines–after all, this affects us directly. I am calling upon all of you; not merely to join in the fight to ensure equal access for you and me, but for all future blind students who will follow in our footsteps.
> You might be thinking now, “how do I get involved?” or “how do I get on the front lines?” The answer is to join the legislative committee of the National Association of Blind Students, a proud division of the National Federation of the Blind.
> To join the legislative committee, you only need to call in on the following dates and times, listen and discuss, and advocate for our legislative priorities. The dates are listed below. I hope to see you all on the next call of the legislative committee!
> Date: Third Monday of the month
> Time: 9 P.M. Eastern, 8 Central, 7 Mountain, and 6 pacific 
> Respectfully, Michael Ausbun Chair | Legislative Committee Secretary | 
> national Association of Blind Students
> 
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From jameyanne at gmail.com  Thu Feb 16 03:46:44 2017
From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 22:46:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Regarding Braille Note Issues And French Accented
 Letters on Laptop
In-Reply-To: <3E03AC53-08AE-4C5E-8470-4242203532BF@gmail.com>
References: <YTOPR01MB01541D355738C38A487B8A53C25B0@YTOPR01MB0154.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Hi Rilind,
I'm not sure about the BrailleNote Apex issue, but best of luck with
Humanware. I hope it works out soon.
I can tell you a bit about switching languages. I did this with Italian, so
while I can't tell you which keys will get you the accents in French, I can
tell you the process. The last time I did this was on a windows 7 computer,
so these instructions might not be the most up-to-date. In the control
panel, there should be something called keyboard settings. In those
settings, you can add another language keyboard. Once you do this, you
should be able to switch between the keyboards with a key stroke (when I did
it, the key stroke was alt and shift pressed together). So when you have the
keyboard set to French, you'll have access to all the different accented
letters. You'll have to muck around a bit to figure out what is what, or I'm
sure you can find a list of what keys are what accents on the internet.
Another thing you could do is go to insert symbol in word and find the
accented letter you're looking for. I always found that to be more trouble
than it was worth, but that was before I knew that you could assign key
commands for each symbol. So it's up to you which way you want to go on
this. 
Finally, I know off the top of my head that if you hold down the control and
the grave keys on your keyboard and then hit a vowel, it will create that
letter with a grave accent. I'm sure there are shortcuts for the other
accents but I don't know them because Italian mostly uses the grave.
To change the language in word 2010, go to the review tab in the ribbon and
then arrow until you find change language (or set language). There's
probably a key command to get there but JAWS will tell you when you find it
if you have it set to tell you the shortcuts. Then you can select your
language from a dropdown list. After you do it the first time, that language
will stay at the top of the list, as will English, so it's easy to find and
switch back and forth. You can change the language of an entire document or
just a selected passage, and changing the language will cue jaws to change
language as well.
HTH.
Jameyanne

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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Regarding Braille Note Issues And French Accented
Letters on Laptop

Hi Rilind,
I do not know much about French, because I have only taken Spanish. But in
my experience, the "restoring partition" message is very concerning. My Apex
displayed this message at one point  and I could not get it to wake up. I
was able to wake it up after plugging it in, but then about a month later,
the same message and  it could not wake up. So in my experience, sadly, this
message either means that the system is failing or will fail soon.  I really
hope this is not the case and that your adapter can fix the prblem. 
Vejas

> On Feb 15, 2017, at 08:45, Rilind Dragoshi via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone.
> I have a couple of questions about my Braille Note Apex, and about letters
also, as a result of some technical issues. I had a problem with my braille
note where when the battery had died, I plugged it in. It had first wanted
to do the reset, but had said "restoring Partition", and then not resetting
fully but rather just saying "keeper load failed", and then shutting down. I
called Humanware and they think it may be an adapter issue, since it
happened when the battery was removed also, when they had asked to do a test
without the battery. The adapter comes this week so I will find out soon
enough if it will be resolved or if there's something else happening.
> I'm wondering, has anyone had this issue before and how was it solved?
> 
> Also, as it may be that if I have to send it away I may need to use my
laptop even more, for things such as French for my French course I am
wondering, does anyone know how to switch languages for Microsoft Office
2010 documents? Also, on a laptop, (windows PC), how do you type accented
letters.
> Thanks and I definitely appreciate any help.
> Rilind.
> 
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From emitchell927 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 16 04:11:51 2017
From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 23:11:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Grammar errors
Message-ID: <80F11465-C9E2-48F0-ADD0-D98B91BFFE75@gmail.com>

How do you screen read for grammar in essays?
Emma


From tclass12 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 16 04:19:01 2017
From: tclass12 at gmail.com (Thomas Class)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 19:19:01 -0900
Subject: [nabs-l] Grammar errors
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All I know is that I am having the same issues. Based on my experience Jaws
with Windows does better than Voice Over with Apple. This is an incredibly
difficult thing for me to say because I am an avid Apple user.

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How do you screen read for grammar in essays?
Emma

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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 16 04:20:39 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 23:20:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Grammar errors
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There are settings in JAWS if you go to jaws verbosity while in word.
 Try Insert numpad 6 while in word, or insert v for quick settings whyile in
word. 
I used insert v.
 Justin

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How do you screen read for grammar in essays?
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 16 05:13:41 2017
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 22:13:41 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Media editing software
Message-ID: <6398619D-CA8F-4659-8404-CB4171B0CFAB@gmail.com>

Hey students,
I would love some input on reasonably easy to use software for editing videos or audio in conjunction with pictures (so like a slideshow of pictures with a specific audio clip to play with each picture).  I use JAWS, and voiceover on my phone. 
Any suggestions, instructions and tips are much appreciated.  

Thanks,

Anna E Givens

From spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Feb 16 13:48:38 2017
From: spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net (Jen)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2017 08:48:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Grammar errors
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Good morning, Emma,

I use grammar check that comes with spell check in Word. If something sounds
wrong, I reread the sentence with JAWS again, go to the place where I think
the error is, fix it and then reread the sentence again. I hope this helps.

Jen

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Subject: [nabs-l] Grammar errors

How do you screen-read for grammar in essays?
Emma

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From chris.omeally at gmail.com  Thu Feb 16 13:46:43 2017
From: chris.omeally at gmail.com (Christopher O'meally)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2017 08:46:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Media editing software
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I use iMovie a lot.  you have me on facebook and I believe you have my
number as well, so feel free to contact me, and I will be glad to show
you how to do this.  and the best part is its free and works with
voice over if you need it to!

On 2/16/17, Anna Givens via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hey students,
> I would love some input on reasonably easy to use software for editing
> videos or audio in conjunction with pictures (so like a slideshow of
> pictures with a specific audio clip to play with each picture).  I use JAWS,
> and voiceover on my phone.
> Any suggestions, instructions and tips are much appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Anna E Givens
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-- 
Very Respectfully,

Christopher O’Meally.

NVB of Virginia 2016 leadership fellow.

Lead instructor and CEO of Access Tech Media INC.

Contract Closeout Specialist, Defense Contract Management Agency.

Chris.omeally at gmail.com

(804)658-6668


From spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Feb 16 13:55:52 2017
From: spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net (Jen)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2017 08:55:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Grammar errors
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Here's another way.

1. Press Insert, Z if on a desktop, or Capslock, Z, if on a laptop, to turn
"Navigation Quick Keys" on.

2. Press A to go to the next to grammatical error.

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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grammar errors

Good morning, Emma,

I use grammar check that comes with spell check in Word. If something sounds
wrong, I reread the sentence with JAWS again, go to the place where I think
the error is, fix it and then reread the sentence again. I hope this helps.

Jen

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How do you screen-read for grammar in essays?
Emma

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From Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu  Thu Feb 16 14:06:12 2017
From: Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte (Student))
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2017 14:06:12 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS blog post for February
Message-ID: <4C2FD305-7AEE-432D-8C2D-B8F21299560B@asu.edu>

Greetings NABS,

We are so thankful for the work you all did on Capital Hill during the Washington Seminar. Together we were over 500 strong and the message we delivered was powerful and well received. During our student rally over 30 students gave their testimony on how inaccessibility has hindered their college experience, but more importantly how AIM HE would change that. The NABS Cafe along with our NABS Winter Seminar was a huge success thanks to all of you! Together we showed our nations capital we are here, we are not leaving, and "Don't Deny, AIM HIGH!

I would strongly encourage you all to join with me in reading this months blog post. This blog is a special one, written by some of our very own NABS members about their experience at Washington Seminar this year. We hope you enjoy this blog and we look forward to seeing you all here next year. As always if you have any questions or comments please feel free to reach out to me at bjduarte at asu.edu<mailto:bjduarte at asu.edu>

http://nabslink.org/content/reflections-2017-washington-seminar<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__nabslink.org_content_reflections-2D2017-2Dwashington-2Dseminar&d=DQMFAg&c=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU&r=5dCABYJ5CxvQOBhyYB2Rbvx93pYuHZ0o8bUuY2oCLno&m=SeMq2F3UWM7s5sENoUsD6qLWgHeeSa4EOGCD8Qu68mU&s=IS8g2MI6SinLMhYIb9W8utjC7Oek8BnpGLcTzVwTEpg&e=>

Thank you,
Bryan Duarte | software engineer
ASU Computer Science Ph.D Student
National Association of Blind Students | Board Member
Arizona Association of Blind Students | President
QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/

“let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.”
-- St. Teresa of Avila


From jldail13 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 16 14:18:52 2017
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2017 09:18:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS blog post for February
In-Reply-To: <4C2FD305-7AEE-432D-8C2D-B8F21299560B@asu.edu>
References: <4C2FD305-7AEE-432D-8C2D-B8F21299560B@asu.edu>
Message-ID: <9E9D989E-8BAB-4B02-A515-D33A73B48B2E@gmail.com>

Hi,
I just tried to access the link you provided. 
However,  I got an error that said, "page not found" 

What can I do? 

Thanks,
Jessica 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 16, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Bryan Duarte (Student) via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Greetings NABS,
> 
> We are so thankful for the work you all did on Capital Hill during the Washington Seminar. Together we were over 500 strong and the message we delivered was powerful and well received. During our student rally over 30 students gave their testimony on how inaccessibility has hindered their college experience, but more importantly how AIM HE would change that. The NABS Cafe along with our NABS Winter Seminar was a huge success thanks to all of you! Together we showed our nations capital we are here, we are not leaving, and "Don't Deny, AIM HIGH!
> 
> I would strongly encourage you all to join with me in reading this months blog post. This blog is a special one, written by some of our very own NABS members about their experience at Washington Seminar this year. We hope you enjoy this blog and we look forward to seeing you all here next year. As always if you have any questions or comments please feel free to reach out to me at bjduarte at asu.edu<mailto:bjduarte at asu.edu>
> 
> http://nabslink.org/content/reflections-2017-washington-seminar<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__nabslink.org_content_reflections-2D2017-2Dwashington-2Dseminar&d=DQMFAg&c=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU&r=5dCABYJ5CxvQOBhyYB2Rbvx93pYuHZ0o8bUuY2oCLno&m=SeMq2F3UWM7s5sENoUsD6qLWgHeeSa4EOGCD8Qu68mU&s=IS8g2MI6SinLMhYIb9W8utjC7Oek8BnpGLcTzVwTEpg&e=>
> 
> Thank you,
> Bryan Duarte | software engineer
> ASU Computer Science Ph.D Student
> National Association of Blind Students | Board Member
> Arizona Association of Blind Students | President
> QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/
> 
> “let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.”
> -- St. Teresa of Avila
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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Thu Feb 16 14:43:19 2017
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (NABS President)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2017 09:43:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS blog post for February
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	<9E9D989E-8BAB-4B02-A515-D33A73B48B2E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <26102050-71F7-45DA-8D5E-F52803A7BA0F@gmail.com>

Here you go:
http://nabslink.org/content/reflections-2017-washington-seminar

Kathryn Webster
President, National Association of Blind Students
(203) 273-8463
Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 16, 2017, at 9:18 AM, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I just tried to access the link you provided. 
> However,  I got an error that said, "page not found" 
> 
> What can I do? 
> 
> Thanks,
> Jessica 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 16, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Bryan Duarte (Student) via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Greetings NABS,
>> 
>> We are so thankful for the work you all did on Capital Hill during the Washington Seminar. Together we were over 500 strong and the message we delivered was powerful and well received. During our student rally over 30 students gave their testimony on how inaccessibility has hindered their college experience, but more importantly how AIM HE would change that. The NABS Cafe along with our NABS Winter Seminar was a huge success thanks to all of you! Together we showed our nations capital we are here, we are not leaving, and "Don't Deny, AIM HIGH!
>> 
>> I would strongly encourage you all to join with me in reading this months blog post. This blog is a special one, written by some of our very own NABS members about their experience at Washington Seminar this year. We hope you enjoy this blog and we look forward to seeing you all here next year. As always if you have any questions or comments please feel free to reach out to me at bjduarte at asu.edu<mailto:bjduarte at asu.edu>
>> 
>> http://nabslink.org/content/reflections-2017-washington-seminar<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__nabslink.org_content_reflections-2D2017-2Dwashington-2Dseminar&d=DQMFAg&c=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU&r=5dCABYJ5CxvQOBhyYB2Rbvx93pYuHZ0o8bUuY2oCLno&m=SeMq2F3UWM7s5sENoUsD6qLWgHeeSa4EOGCD8Qu68mU&s=IS8g2MI6SinLMhYIb9W8utjC7Oek8BnpGLcTzVwTEpg&e=>
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Bryan Duarte | software engineer
>> ASU Computer Science Ph.D Student
>> National Association of Blind Students | Board Member
>> Arizona Association of Blind Students | President
>> QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/
>> 
>> “let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.”
>> -- St. Teresa of Avila
>> 
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From Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu  Thu Feb 16 15:18:28 2017
From: Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte (Student))
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2017 15:18:28 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS blog post for February
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References: <4C2FD305-7AEE-432D-8C2D-B8F21299560B@asu.edu>
	<9E9D989E-8BAB-4B02-A515-D33A73B48B2E@gmail.com>
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Hello Jessica,

I am sorry you had an issue accessing the blog post with the link I provided. I just double checked the link and it seems to work ok for me. It looks like Kathryn already provided you the link again, but if it continues to not work for you please email me directly and we will figure out what is going on. Appreciate your feedback.

Thank you,
Bryan Duarte | software engineer
ASU Computer Science Ph.D Student
National Association of Blind Students | Board Member
Arizona Association of Blind Students | President
QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/

“let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.”
-- St. Teresa of Avila

On Feb 16, 2017, at 7:18 AM, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

Hi,
I just tried to access the link you provided.
However,  I got an error that said, "page not found"

What can I do?

Thanks,
Jessica

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 16, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Bryan Duarte (Student) via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

Greetings NABS,

We are so thankful for the work you all did on Capital Hill during the Washington Seminar. Together we were over 500 strong and the message we delivered was powerful and well received. During our student rally over 30 students gave their testimony on how inaccessibility has hindered their college experience, but more importantly how AIM HE would change that. The NABS Cafe along with our NABS Winter Seminar was a huge success thanks to all of you! Together we showed our nations capital we are here, we are not leaving, and "Don't Deny, AIM HIGH!

I would strongly encourage you all to join with me in reading this months blog post. This blog is a special one, written by some of our very own NABS members about their experience at Washington Seminar this year. We hope you enjoy this blog and we look forward to seeing you all here next year. As always if you have any questions or comments please feel free to reach out to me at bjduarte at asu.edu<mailto:bjduarte at asu.edu><mailto:bjduarte at asu.edu>

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Thank you,
Bryan Duarte | software engineer
ASU Computer Science Ph.D Student
National Association of Blind Students | Board Member
Arizona Association of Blind Students | President
QwikEyes CEO https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.qwikeyes.com_&d=DQIGaQ&c=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU&r=5dCABYJ5CxvQOBhyYB2Rbvx93pYuHZ0o8bUuY2oCLno&m=-HRjIV_8WDYwaze-JgnM84caDLZVjCTPGinpXHsHVXg&s=aXqeWV528aG4tzeT5ZzHHHvbJ8-C4h3sCHE7ecZY8kQ&e=

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From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 16 17:09:11 2017
From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2017 12:09:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Media editing software
In-Reply-To: <6398619D-CA8F-4659-8404-CB4171B0CFAB@gmail.com>
References: <6398619D-CA8F-4659-8404-CB4171B0CFAB@gmail.com>
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I'm assuming you mean like PowerPoint. Have you looked into using PowerPoint
for this purpose? If not, ,y company Linson Productions will and can help
you. 

Thanks,
Aaron Linson 
CEO Blind Faith Project
CEO Linson Productions

Aaron Linson 

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 12:14 AM
To: Aaron via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Anna Givens <annajee82 at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Media editing software

Hey students,
I would love some input on reasonably easy to use software for editing
videos or audio in conjunction with pictures (so like a slideshow of
pictures with a specific audio clip to play with each picture).  I use JAWS,
and voiceover on my phone. 
Any suggestions, instructions and tips are much appreciated.  

Thanks,

Anna E Givens
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From clearinghouse at miusa.org  Thu Feb 16 17:30:11 2017
From: clearinghouse at miusa.org (NCDE Clearinghouse)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2017 09:30:11 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] MIUSA Launches #AccessLanguages Campaign
Message-ID: <e02f8936-a308-fa82-b520-841ca3d301e4@miusa.org>

Greetings colleagues,
The National Clearinghouse on Disability & Exchange (NCDE), a project 
sponsored by the U.S. Department of State and administered by MIUSA, 
launches a campaign to promote the inclusion of people with disabilities 
in foreign language learning and teach abroad programs!
The chance to learn or teach a language abroad can be an excellent step 
toward more international exchanges or career advancement, and we want 
to make sure that people with disabilities are also accessing these 
opportunities. We intend to do that by developing resources on teaching 
and learning a foreign language abroad with a disability, and on 
including people with disabilities in international exchange language 
programs. We also plan to feature stories of successful people with 
disabilities who study or teach a language abroad.
We can’t do this alone though. Here’s how you can help!
1)    Are you an alumnus with a disability from a language 
teaching/study program? SHARE your experience with us.
2)    Are you staff of a language study/teaching program that 
successfully included an individual with a disability? TELL us about it.
3)    Do you know a program staff or alumnus? CONNECT us with them.
4)    PROMOTE the campaign using “#AccessLanguages” and follow to keep 
up with all of the upcoming resources. 
http://www.miusa.org/news/2017/accesslanguages.
We plan to do a 3-week social media push starting next week. Here are 
some ideas of what you might post to your social media pages.
Twitter
• Check out #AccessLanguages resources from @MobilityINTL re language 
learning for people w/disabilities globally. http://ow.ly/2jYn306PZOL
• #LanguageMatters for everyone including people w/disabilities. Time to 
#AccessLanguages abroad. http://ow.ly/2jYn306PZOL
• #AccessLanguages promotes the inclusion of pwd in teaching/learning 
globally! http://ow.ly/2jYn306PZOL
• ESL for ALL includes students with disabilities! #AccessLanguages 
@TESOL http://ow.ly/2jYn306PZOL
Facebook:
• #AccessLanguages promotes the inclusion of people with disabilities to 
learn and teach a foreign language abroad! Share the possibilities!
• #AccessLanguages abroad creates access to opportunities for all 
including people with disabilities!
• Share a quick story about a #AccessLanguages experience abroad as a 
student or teacher with a photo.
• Learning/Teaching ___________ in ______________ was just the beginning 
for me, which is why I think that #LanguageMatters. Check out the 
resources that Mobility International USA is creating for people with 
disabilities to #AccessLanguages.
E-mail us at Clearinghouse at miusa.org to participate in the campaign and 
for any questions. We can’t wait to hear from you!
Sincerely,

-- 
Justin Harford
Project Coordinator
National Clearinghouse on Disability and Exchange
Mobility International USA
Phone: 541-343-1284 extension 14
Email: jharford at miusa.org



From kat.bottner at gmail.com  Thu Feb 16 17:31:49 2017
From: kat.bottner at gmail.com (Kathryn Bottner)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2017 12:31:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Media editing software
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References: <6398619D-CA8F-4659-8404-CB4171B0CFAB@gmail.com>
	<00a401d28877$64ee24a0$2eca6de0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001801d2887a$8e831a70$ab894f50$@gmail.com>

I've not used power point, as it wasn't accessible years ago, when I had to
take computer applications in high school.
Thanks,
Kat

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron via
NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 12:09 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Aaron <blindgeek1989 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Media editing software

I'm assuming you mean like PowerPoint. Have you looked into using PowerPoint
for this purpose? If not, ,y company Linson Productions will and can help
you. 

Thanks,
Aaron Linson
CEO Blind Faith Project
CEO Linson Productions

Aaron Linson 

-----Original Message-----
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NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 12:14 AM
To: Aaron via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Anna Givens <annajee82 at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Media editing software

Hey students,
I would love some input on reasonably easy to use software for editing
videos or audio in conjunction with pictures (so like a slideshow of
pictures with a specific audio clip to play with each picture).  I use JAWS,
and voiceover on my phone. 
Any suggestions, instructions and tips are much appreciated.  

Thanks,

Anna E Givens
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From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 16 17:39:39 2017
From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (amazing tech)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2017 12:39:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Media editing software
In-Reply-To: <001801d2887a$8e831a70$ab894f50$@gmail.com>
References: <6398619D-CA8F-4659-8404-CB4171B0CFAB@gmail.com>
	<00a401d28877$64ee24a0$2eca6de0$@gmail.com>
	<001801d2887a$8e831a70$ab894f50$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ACA16807-CE58-476F-BCC7-A38CC861E154@gmail.com>

It is very accessible now. 

Thanks,
Aaron Linson 
BS in Audio Production minor in communications from IU SouthEast
Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 16, 2017, at 12:31 PM, Kathryn Bottner via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I've not used power point, as it wasn't accessible years ago, when I had to
> take computer applications in high school.
> Thanks,
> Kat
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron via
> NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 12:09 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Aaron <blindgeek1989 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Media editing software
> 
> I'm assuming you mean like PowerPoint. Have you looked into using PowerPoint
> for this purpose? If not, ,y company Linson Productions will and can help
> you. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Aaron Linson
> CEO Blind Faith Project
> CEO Linson Productions
> 
> Aaron Linson 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna Givens via
> NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 12:14 AM
> To: Aaron via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Anna Givens <annajee82 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Media editing software
> 
> Hey students,
> I would love some input on reasonably easy to use software for editing
> videos or audio in conjunction with pictures (so like a slideshow of
> pictures with a specific audio clip to play with each picture).  I use JAWS,
> and voiceover on my phone. 
> Any suggestions, instructions and tips are much appreciated.  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Anna E Givens
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 16 19:38:51 2017
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2017 12:38:51 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Media editing software
In-Reply-To: <ACA16807-CE58-476F-BCC7-A38CC861E154@gmail.com>
References: <6398619D-CA8F-4659-8404-CB4171B0CFAB@gmail.com>
	<00a401d28877$64ee24a0$2eca6de0$@gmail.com>
	<001801d2887a$8e831a70$ab894f50$@gmail.com>
	<ACA16807-CE58-476F-BCC7-A38CC861E154@gmail.com>
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Thanks Chris.  I don't know if I will be able to do and store everything on my phone.  That's my biggest concern with iMovie.  But if I can, I will definitely look into it.  
Aaron, this is a project for school.  We are not allowed to use powerpoint, it must be a multimodal production. Also, I need to be doing it myself so that I learn and understand the process.  If you have any suggestions, that'd be great.
Thanks for your help. 

Anna E Givens

> On Feb 16, 2017, at 10:39 AM, amazing tech via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> It is very accessible now. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Aaron Linson 
> BS in Audio Production minor in communications from IU SouthEast
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Feb 16, 2017, at 12:31 PM, Kathryn Bottner via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I've not used power point, as it wasn't accessible years ago, when I had to
>> take computer applications in high school.
>> Thanks,
>> Kat
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron via
>> NABS-L
>> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 12:09 PM
>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Aaron <blindgeek1989 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Media editing software
>> 
>> I'm assuming you mean like PowerPoint. Have you looked into using PowerPoint
>> for this purpose? If not, ,y company Linson Productions will and can help
>> you. 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Aaron Linson
>> CEO Blind Faith Project
>> CEO Linson Productions
>> 
>> Aaron Linson 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna Givens via
>> NABS-L
>> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 12:14 AM
>> To: Aaron via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Anna Givens <annajee82 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Media editing software
>> 
>> Hey students,
>> I would love some input on reasonably easy to use software for editing
>> videos or audio in conjunction with pictures (so like a slideshow of
>> pictures with a specific audio clip to play with each picture).  I use JAWS,
>> and voiceover on my phone. 
>> Any suggestions, instructions and tips are much appreciated.  
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Anna E Givens
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
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>> m
>> 
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From filerime at gmail.com  Fri Feb 17 04:56:02 2017
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2017 23:56:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] a firefox questions
Message-ID: <CAMtP_9eXL_4JjW3b_duaLPiBzz7sm6bmwyWJKu2bQQQO5skjgA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
I have a question for firefox users.
Firefox prompts you with notifications or alerts or whatever the
proper term is.  For instance, "Do you want FireFox to remember
this password?"  Unlike Internet Explorer, where alt N will give you
the notification bar and allow you to respond, I'm finding that
Firefox reads
some of your options to you, and then the alert seems to disappear.
In the above example, I think it says Alt R is remember, but it
doesn't ever finish
reading the rest of my choices, and when I try to tab through them,
they're gone.
Does anyone know how to respond them?
Thanks


From dandrews at visi.com  Sat Feb 18 03:54:09 2017
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 21:54:09 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: The Blind History Lady needs your help
Message-ID: <auto-000076746736@mailfront2.g2host.com>


>
>Hello Blind History Lady Fans
>
>I am applying for the Holman Prize Award through the Lighthouse for 
>the Blind and Visually Impaired in Northern California and I could 
>use your help.  One of the areas we will be judged will be the 
>number of likes on our Youtube video.
>
>Please like my video on Youtube.  You can find it at;
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aik6D7Ur1MM
>
>Thank you so much,
>
>Peggy Chong
>The Blind History Lady
>peggychong at earthlink.net
>
>
>

From theweird1 at mediacombb.net  Sat Feb 18 15:28:11 2017
From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2017 09:28:11 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] a firefox questions
In-Reply-To: eabOcaDTuZ65YeabQc51yl
References: eabOcaDTuZ65YeabQc51yl
Message-ID: <008c01d289fb$9df34c50$d9d9e4f0$@mediacombb.net>

I'd be very curious about this as well.  I had to leave ie because it
decided not to work anymore.  I am having mixed feelings so far about fir
fox.  

Loren 



-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elif Emir Öksüz
via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 10:56 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Elif Emir Öksüz
Subject: [nabs-l] a firefox questions

Hi all,
I have a question for firefox users.
Firefox prompts you with notifications or alerts or whatever the proper term
is.  For instance, "Do you want FireFox to remember this password?"  Unlike
Internet Explorer, where alt N will give you the notification bar and allow
you to respond, I'm finding that Firefox reads some of your options to you,
and then the alert seems to disappear.
In the above example, I think it says Alt R is remember, but it doesn't ever
finish reading the rest of my choices, and when I try to tab through them,
they're gone.
Does anyone know how to respond them?
Thanks

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From mausbun at nevada.unr.edu  Sun Feb 19 20:48:27 2017
From: mausbun at nevada.unr.edu (Michael)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2017 14:48:27 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Important: Legislative Committee Meeting(S)
Message-ID: <003001d28af1$85d69630$9183c290$@nevada.unr.edu>

Dear NABSters:

                I wrote earlier this week, inviting you all to join me in
transforming the dreams of blind students into reality. Tomorrow night will
be our first committee meeting of the year, and, we have a lot of exciting
information to discuss.

                Please note, the original email needs some minor
corrections. First, meetings will be the third Sunday of the month, not the
third Monday of the month for all following months. Secondly, the dates are
now listed below, alongside the agenda and the call-in information. If you
have any questions, please do not hesitate to reach out to me.


Meeting Schedule


Unless anything changes in future months, all meeting times are at 9:00 P.M.
Eastern, 8:00 P.M. Central, 7:00 mountain, and 6:00 P.M. Pacific. All times
are standard. 

Feb. 19, 2017

March 19, 2017

April 16, 2017

May 21, 2017

June 18, 2017


Call in Information


Dial in number:


(605) 475-6700


Access Code:


7869673


Agenda


National Association of Blind Students

A proud Division

Of The

National Federation of the Blind

 

 

Legislative Committee Agenda:

Feb. 19

*	Called to order
*	Introductions
*	Washington Seminar update
*	Goals and objectives for the committee
*	Thoughts of the committee
*	Plan of action
*	Adjournment

 

Respectfully,

Michael Ausbun

Chair | Legislative Committee

Secretary | national Association of Blind Students

 


From mausbun at unr.edu  Sun Feb 19 20:55:34 2017
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2017 20:55:34 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Important: Legislative Committee Meeting(S)
In-Reply-To: <003001d28af1$85d69630$9183c290$@nevada.unr.edu>
References: <003001d28af1$85d69630$9183c290$@nevada.unr.edu>
Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B2372430A@UBOX3.unr.edu>

Correction, this month the meeting is Monday, Feb. 20. All future meetings will be on Sundays at the listed times and dates. Sorry for the confusion.

________________________________________
From: NABS-L [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Michael via NABS-L [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 12:48 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Michael
Subject: [nabs-l] Important: Legislative Committee Meeting(S)

Dear NABSters:

                I wrote earlier this week, inviting you all to join me in
transforming the dreams of blind students into reality. Tomorrow night will
be our first committee meeting of the year, and, we have a lot of exciting
information to discuss.

                Please note, the original email needs some minor
corrections. First, meetings will be the third Sunday of the month, not the
third Monday of the month for all following months. Secondly, the dates are
now listed below, alongside the agenda and the call-in information. If you
have any questions, please do not hesitate to reach out to me.


Meeting Schedule


Unless anything changes in future months, all meeting times are at 9:00 P.M.
Eastern, 8:00 P.M. Central, 7:00 mountain, and 6:00 P.M. Pacific. All times
are standard.

Feb. 19, 2017

March 19, 2017

April 16, 2017

May 21, 2017

June 18, 2017


Call in Information


Dial in number:


(605) 475-6700


Access Code:


7869673


Agenda


National Association of Blind Students

A proud Division

Of The

National Federation of the Blind





Legislative Committee Agenda:

Feb. 19

*       Called to order
*       Introductions
*       Washington Seminar update
*       Goals and objectives for the committee
*       Thoughts of the committee
*       Plan of action
*       Adjournment



Respectfully,

Michael Ausbun

Chair | Legislative Committee

Secretary | national Association of Blind Students



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From syedrizvinfb at gmail.com  Mon Feb 20 03:11:21 2017
From: syedrizvinfb at gmail.com (Syed Rizvi)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2017 21:11:21 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Announcing the All New Outreach Committee
Message-ID: <E8775315-FA87-4088-A3F6-2F5A9054A427@gmail.com>

Dear fellow Nabsters!!!
I hope you are all fully recovered from washington seminar and killing it in the classroom. 
I am super stoked to announce that Nabs is launching an all new committee all about trying to keep you in the loop of whats going down in the federation. We are looking for members who are people loving and want a chance to work with the coolest person ever, yours truly. We will be implementing new methods to keep everyone updated and make this family closer. You will also have the pleasure of working with the gorgeous Vee Gaspa, and famous radio show host, Chris da bomb. It's going to be revolutionary, so make sure you don't miss out.
Our first committee meeting will be on Tuesday, March 7th at 7 PM central. Be there or be square. 
Call 605-475-6700 and punch in code 7869673. 
Any questions or concerns, feel free to slide into my DMs. 
Love,
Syed Mahmud Raza Rizvi 




From cricketbidleman at gmail.com  Mon Feb 20 04:13:51 2017
From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2017 20:13:51 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Scholarship Interview
Message-ID: <CABP7S8OGSb6WRPRHpmbE09LHwxrqjJ1kRhiZJ7c9UDRDoj7CXA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

It's Cricket... After a centuries-long hibernation filled with
schoolwork, college applications, and now scholarship applications.
I'm working on the NFB scholarship application, which I finally
submitted yesterday. Now I'm anticipating an interview, since that's
the process... But I have to confess that I'm a little nervous because
I've never done something quite like this before. Is there anything I
have to prepare, or questions I should be prepared to answer? That's
assuming that people are allowed to share their interview experiences.
Thanks so much! I'm definitely looking forward to everything the
future holds.

Best,
Cricket X. Bidleman


From misokwak12 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 20 19:26:32 2017
From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 11:26:32 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Reliable and Accessible Flight Booking App or Website
In-Reply-To: <452DEC1F-E531-4990-BD30-7266CFE7B853@gmail.com>
References: <CAMe9x_HiGYk3O03ScBZJc5gfgR-GhQvrt1AjEPg78FMzb9rrAQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+6VNgNJ_ipbQ1m_3xfTTqUKC_wn4YjVsRezq-O7888U4ZG85g@mail.gmail.com>
	<885DB622-8349-442E-A1A4-08B088B611F6@gmail.com>
	<BL2PR17MB0867755587DC3D654B017F32DB4B0@BL2PR17MB0867.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAOrr3bO+V7AT3qGAVYDQEFkvMSjK7EhNYBX_HqVQhXWaqsZCkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<452DEC1F-E531-4990-BD30-7266CFE7B853@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMe9x_GvA7rOneYmYZrQ67Lub39PKaveSSVuSZEnm03+x4PRVg@mail.gmail.com>

I apologize this reply is so late but want to say thank you to
everyone responded.
I ended up using Google Flight to look up the information I needed and
getting sighted assistance when I was actually booking the flight as
Google Flight took me to another web site.
I will have to check out Expedia for future usage. I have been feeling
hesitant to create an account if I was not going to use it because
it's inaccessible.
On another note I have a membership with Southwest but find the IOS
app a bit clumsy to use when it comes to date selection, although I
think the web site is pretty good with JAWS.

Has anyone used Southwest app smoothly?

Best,
Miso

On 2/1/17, Ignasi Cambra via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello all,
> I am a Mac user and find the Expedia site to be very accessible. The Expedia
> and Kayak iPhone apps are also great, and I remember using the Skyscanner
> app some time ago and getting things done quite easily. The problem with
> search engines like Kayak and Skyscanner is that they usually send you to
> other websites to actually purchase tickets, and accessibility on those
> third-party websites isn’t always great. Generally speaking I find Expedia
> to offer the best experience in terms of accessibility both on my desktop
> and on my phone, and their prices are usually just slightly higher than the
> cheapest options available from lesser known travel agents that I see on
> Kayak. The process to buy flight+hotel packages on the Expedia website is
> also the most accessible I can think of. Things are usually labeled properly
> with headings, and forms use standard controls that screen readers should
> recognise easily.
> Sorry for writing so much! Clearly I spend way too much time flying…
> Best,
>
> IC
>> On 31 Jan 2017, at 04:33, Vanna Song via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hmmm, last time I ever booked anything was on the Mac side of things.
>> Sites like expedia and others worked fine with Voice Over. I don't
>> know about the WINDOWS side of things for I have not used those sites
>> with NVDA or JAWS.
>>
>> On 1/30/17, Mason, Amy via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>> I'm looking at a few things dealing with travel sites, and I'd love to
>>> hear
>>> a bit more about the good and bad you are finding on specific sites where
>>> accessibility is concerned. If any of you have the chance, I'd appreciate
>>> a
>>> quick note off list. I'd like to know which sites you are having trouble
>>> with, and what's acting as biggest barriers. I'd also love to know what
>>> you
>>> find is working well for you and why.
>>>
>>> Thanks,.
>>>
>>> Amy Mason
>>> amason at nfb.org
>>> (410) 659-9314 Ext. 2424
>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Zachary N.
>>> Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 12:17 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer <zdreicer at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reliable and Accessible Flight Booking App or
>>> Website
>>>
>>> I've been using http://google.com/flights, it takes a little bit to get
>>> used
>>> to and you have to know the tricks to work with that website— Like using
>>> taba bunch, and the arrow keys, but I found it very accessible to create
>>> an
>>> itinerary and then book directly with the airline. Keep in mind that a
>>> lot
>>> of the Google flights page I just text elements that when clicked on,
>>> they
>>> activate whatever you are doing. The page that actually displays the
>>> flights
>>> gives a link to each flight that is very accessible, and includes the
>>> price
>>> including taxes and fees. Sam airlines, like Southwest, do not interface
>>> with this light section. If you want to do a Southwest flight search, you
>>> can call 888-792-8747, then when it asks what flight number you're
>>> calling
>>> about, say agent and you will be transferred immediately. They can help
>>> you
>>> book flights over the phone at no charge.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
>>>
>>>> On Jan 29, 2017, at 10:51, Katie Wang via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Miso,
>>>>
>>>> The Travelocity website is reasonably accessible, though the flight
>>>> search process can be a little cumbersome to navigate with JAWS. If
>>>> others know of more user-friendly travel booking sites I would love to
>>>> hear about them as well.
>>>>
>>>> Katie
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/29/17, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I am writing to see if anyone on the list has a recommendation for
>>>>> accessible and reliable flight finding app or website.
>>>>> I've played around with Expedia, Kayak, and Google Flight and few
>>>>> direct aireline apps like Southwest and Delta. I think some of them
>>>>> are decently accessible but  I am not greatly satisfied with any one
>>>>> of them.
>>>>> I have an iPhone and JAWS 16 fyi.
>>>>> I am trying to compare flights in terms of its times and price.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Miso Kwak
>>>>>
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-- 
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University of California, Los Angeles | 2017
Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
(909) 660-1897


From annajee82 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 20 19:52:43 2017
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 12:52:43 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Playing Learning Ally books on Stream
Message-ID: <D7BDCBBC-6FA1-4B99-A9C7-81B12F552A93@gmail.com>

Hey students,

I started using Learning Ally audio books and I have a Victor Stream that I would like to put the books on, but I cannot figure out how to get the books from my computer to the Stream.  I know I can put the files on the SD card, but where do I find the files of the books?  I can find the books and put them in my bookshelf on Learning Ally's website, but that's about as far as I can get.  How do I get the files onto another device?  

Thanks for the help.

Anna E Givens

From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Feb 20 20:07:35 2017
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 15:07:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Playing Learning Ally books on Stream
In-Reply-To: <D7BDCBBC-6FA1-4B99-A9C7-81B12F552A93@gmail.com>
References: <D7BDCBBC-6FA1-4B99-A9C7-81B12F552A93@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F3E036370C0C4F038A87BE4D3C12F1B4@OwnerPC>

Hi,
Since they took away the download manager, its more steps.
Its been a while for me. I remember you put the book in the bookshelf. Next, 
go to your bookshelf. The books titles are headings. There is a link to 
download the file. Save the zipped file to your pc or laptop. Then, you have 
to unzip the file. Then you can copy and paste the unzipped file to your sd 
card for the vr stream to read. Oh, and you have to put the book in the 
$vrDtb folder. If you call learning ally, they might be able to help you 
step by step.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Anna Givens via NABS-L
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 2:52 PM
To: Aaron via NABS-L
Cc: Anna Givens
Subject: [nabs-l] Playing Learning Ally books on Stream

Hey students,

I started using Learning Ally audio books and I have a Victor Stream that I 
would like to put the books on, but I cannot figure out how to get the books 
from my computer to the Stream.  I know I can put the files on the SD card, 
but where do I find the files of the books?  I can find the books and put 
them in my bookshelf on Learning Ally's website, but that's about as far as 
I can get.  How do I get the files onto another device?

Thanks for the help.

Anna E Givens
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From discoduck221 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 20 20:46:00 2017
From: discoduck221 at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 13:46:00 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Announcing the All New Outreach Committee
In-Reply-To: <E8775315-FA87-4088-A3F6-2F5A9054A427@gmail.com>
References: <E8775315-FA87-4088-A3F6-2F5A9054A427@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+Wnc9Tu+QOD3h1K9=6gqPUsT=QqrNs-dD4LJ1N=1r+aNPDiqg@mail.gmail.com>

You can thank me for getting Chris into radio. With these charming
people involved, I may just have to join this committee.

On 2/19/17, Syed Rizvi via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Dear fellow Nabsters!!!
> I hope you are all fully recovered from washington seminar and killing it in
> the classroom.
> I am super stoked to announce that Nabs is launching an all new committee
> all about trying to keep you in the loop of whats going down in the
> federation. We are looking for members who are people loving and want a
> chance to work with the coolest person ever, yours truly. We will be
> implementing new methods to keep everyone updated and make this family
> closer. You will also have the pleasure of working with the gorgeous Vee
> Gaspa, and famous radio show host, Chris da bomb. It's going to be
> revolutionary, so make sure you don't miss out.
> Our first committee meeting will be on Tuesday, March 7th at 7 PM central.
> Be there or be square.
> Call 605-475-6700 and punch in code 7869673.
> Any questions or concerns, feel free to slide into my DMs.
> Love,
> Syed Mahmud Raza Rizvi
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>


From louvins at gmail.com  Mon Feb 20 21:05:10 2017
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 15:05:10 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Playing Learning Ally books on Stream
In-Reply-To: <F3E036370C0C4F038A87BE4D3C12F1B4@OwnerPC>
References: <D7BDCBBC-6FA1-4B99-A9C7-81B12F552A93@gmail.com>
	<F3E036370C0C4F038A87BE4D3C12F1B4@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <CADUoy9vkSSSjoCnwGcvVJW8Ww_YiJJUcqzdnE6APNgNWaBeWsA@mail.gmail.com>

Anna.  Also, make sure your stream has the user key for learning ally.
If you don't have the user key, then your learning ally book won't
play.  Good luck.

On 2/20/17, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> Since they took away the download manager, its more steps.
> Its been a while for me. I remember you put the book in the bookshelf. Next,
>
> go to your bookshelf. The books titles are headings. There is a link to
> download the file. Save the zipped file to your pc or laptop. Then, you have
>
> to unzip the file. Then you can copy and paste the unzipped file to your sd
>
> card for the vr stream to read. Oh, and you have to put the book in the
> $vrDtb folder. If you call learning ally, they might be able to help you
> step by step.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anna Givens via NABS-L
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 2:52 PM
> To: Aaron via NABS-L
> Cc: Anna Givens
> Subject: [nabs-l] Playing Learning Ally books on Stream
>
> Hey students,
>
> I started using Learning Ally audio books and I have a Victor Stream that I
>
> would like to put the books on, but I cannot figure out how to get the books
>
> from my computer to the Stream.  I know I can put the files on the SD card,
>
> but where do I find the files of the books?  I can find the books and put
> them in my bookshelf on Learning Ally's website, but that's about as far as
>
> I can get.  How do I get the files onto another device?
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Anna E Givens
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NABS-L:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 20 21:16:20 2017
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 16:16:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Announcing the All New Outreach Committee
In-Reply-To: <CA+Wnc9Tu+QOD3h1K9=6gqPUsT=QqrNs-dD4LJ1N=1r+aNPDiqg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E8775315-FA87-4088-A3F6-2F5A9054A427@gmail.com>
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Yeah, I dropped out of all the rest of my commute is for the national student division just to be on this one. I think that's what I'm better at. 
And what time do you want us to be on the call if we live in Maryland?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 20, 2017, at 15:46, David Dunphy via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> You can thank me for getting Chris into radio. With these charming
> people involved, I may just have to join this committee.
> 
>> On 2/19/17, Syed Rizvi via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Dear fellow Nabsters!!!
>> I hope you are all fully recovered from washington seminar and killing it in
>> the classroom.
>> I am super stoked to announce that Nabs is launching an all new committee
>> all about trying to keep you in the loop of whats going down in the
>> federation. We are looking for members who are people loving and want a
>> chance to work with the coolest person ever, yours truly. We will be
>> implementing new methods to keep everyone updated and make this family
>> closer. You will also have the pleasure of working with the gorgeous Vee
>> Gaspa, and famous radio show host, Chris da bomb. It's going to be
>> revolutionary, so make sure you don't miss out.
>> Our first committee meeting will be on Tuesday, March 7th at 7 PM central.
>> Be there or be square.
>> Call 605-475-6700 and punch in code 7869673.
>> Any questions or concerns, feel free to slide into my DMs.
>> Love,
>> Syed Mahmud Raza Rizvi
>> 
>> 
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Mon Feb 20 22:32:24 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 14:32:24 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Question for Anyone Who Has Studied Abroad
Message-ID: <9C08AFB9-B0F9-44C8-831C-FDA4F676E326@gmail.com>

Hii,
I am considering studying abroad sometime later during my college career. I am just curious as to how much, if any, support you received from Vocational Rehab. Did they cover any expenses such as travel, accommodation or the costs of any classes? If so, was it necessary to write a letter of justification?
Thanks,
Vejas

From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 21 00:22:53 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 19:22:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Playing Learning Ally books on Stream
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References: <D7BDCBBC-6FA1-4B99-A9C7-81B12F552A93@gmail.com>	<F3E036370C0C4F038A87BE4D3C12F1B4@OwnerPC>
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Can you play Audible books on victory streem two?
 Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua
Hendrickson via NABS-L
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 4:05 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Joshua Hendrickson <louvins at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Playing Learning Ally books on Stream

Anna.  Also, make sure your stream has the user key for learning ally.
If you don't have the user key, then your learning ally book won't play.
Good luck.

On 2/20/17, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> Since they took away the download manager, its more steps.
> Its been a while for me. I remember you put the book in the bookshelf. 
> Next,
>
> go to your bookshelf. The books titles are headings. There is a link 
> to download the file. Save the zipped file to your pc or laptop. Then, 
> you have
>
> to unzip the file. Then you can copy and paste the unzipped file to 
> your sd
>
> card for the vr stream to read. Oh, and you have to put the book in 
> the $vrDtb folder. If you call learning ally, they might be able to 
> help you step by step.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anna Givens via NABS-L
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 2:52 PM
> To: Aaron via NABS-L
> Cc: Anna Givens
> Subject: [nabs-l] Playing Learning Ally books on Stream
>
> Hey students,
>
> I started using Learning Ally audio books and I have a Victor Stream 
> that I
>
> would like to put the books on, but I cannot figure out how to get the 
> books
>
> from my computer to the Stream.  I know I can put the files on the SD 
> card,
>
> but where do I find the files of the books?  I can find the books and 
> put them in my bookshelf on Learning Ally's website, but that's about 
> as far as
>
> I can get.  How do I get the files onto another device?
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Anna E Givens
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From louvins at gmail.com  Tue Feb 21 00:45:47 2017
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 18:45:47 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Playing Learning Ally books on Stream
In-Reply-To: <024701d28bd8$a4d2a230$ee77e690$@gmail.com>
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	<F3E036370C0C4F038A87BE4D3C12F1B4@OwnerPC>
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Yes, you can indeed play audible books on the victor stream.  If you'd
like, I can walk you through the process.  My number is 815-978-8668.
I could also call you if needed.  I play audible books on my stream
all the time.

On 2/20/17, Justin Williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Can you play Audible books on victory streem two?
>  Justin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua
> Hendrickson via NABS-L
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 4:05 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Joshua Hendrickson <louvins at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Playing Learning Ally books on Stream
>
> Anna.  Also, make sure your stream has the user key for learning ally.
> If you don't have the user key, then your learning ally book won't play.
> Good luck.
>
> On 2/20/17, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Since they took away the download manager, its more steps.
>> Its been a while for me. I remember you put the book in the bookshelf.
>> Next,
>>
>> go to your bookshelf. The books titles are headings. There is a link
>> to download the file. Save the zipped file to your pc or laptop. Then,
>> you have
>>
>> to unzip the file. Then you can copy and paste the unzipped file to
>> your sd
>>
>> card for the vr stream to read. Oh, and you have to put the book in
>> the $vrDtb folder. If you call learning ally, they might be able to
>> help you step by step.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Anna Givens via NABS-L
>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 2:52 PM
>> To: Aaron via NABS-L
>> Cc: Anna Givens
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Playing Learning Ally books on Stream
>>
>> Hey students,
>>
>> I started using Learning Ally audio books and I have a Victor Stream
>> that I
>>
>> would like to put the books on, but I cannot figure out how to get the
>> books
>>
>> from my computer to the Stream.  I know I can put the files on the SD
>> card,
>>
>> but where do I find the files of the books?  I can find the books and
>> put them in my bookshelf on Learning Ally's website, but that's about
>> as far as
>>
>> I can get.  How do I get the files onto another device?
>>
>> Thanks for the help.
>>
>> Anna E Givens
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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Tue Feb 21 02:19:18 2017
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster, NABS President)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 21:19:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Reliable and Accessible Flight Booking App or Website
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Hey Miso,

Thanks for fueling such an engaging conversation. I am a huge fan of the Southwest application on iPhones. There are some random buttons that are not labeled, but it is definitely usable. I have great luck with Fly Delta, Travelocity, Expedia, and Southwest.

Good luck,
Kathryn

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso Kwak via NABS-L
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 2:27 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Miso Kwak <misokwak12 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reliable and Accessible Flight Booking App or Website

I apologize this reply is so late but want to say thank you to everyone responded.
I ended up using Google Flight to look up the information I needed and getting sighted assistance when I was actually booking the flight as Google Flight took me to another web site.
I will have to check out Expedia for future usage. I have been feeling hesitant to create an account if I was not going to use it because it's inaccessible.
On another note I have a membership with Southwest but find the IOS app a bit clumsy to use when it comes to date selection, although I think the web site is pretty good with JAWS.

Has anyone used Southwest app smoothly?

Best,
Miso

On 2/1/17, Ignasi Cambra via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello all,
> I am a Mac user and find the Expedia site to be very accessible. The 
> Expedia and Kayak iPhone apps are also great, and I remember using the 
> Skyscanner app some time ago and getting things done quite easily. The 
> problem with search engines like Kayak and Skyscanner is that they 
> usually send you to other websites to actually purchase tickets, and 
> accessibility on those third-party websites isn’t always great. 
> Generally speaking I find Expedia to offer the best experience in 
> terms of accessibility both on my desktop and on my phone, and their 
> prices are usually just slightly higher than the cheapest options 
> available from lesser known travel agents that I see on Kayak. The 
> process to buy flight+hotel packages on the Expedia website is also 
> the most accessible I can think of. Things are usually labeled 
> properly with headings, and forms use standard controls that screen readers should recognise easily.
> Sorry for writing so much! Clearly I spend way too much time flying… 
> Best,
>
> IC
>> On 31 Jan 2017, at 04:33, Vanna Song via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hmmm, last time I ever booked anything was on the Mac side of things.
>> Sites like expedia and others worked fine with Voice Over. I don't 
>> know about the WINDOWS side of things for I have not used those sites 
>> with NVDA or JAWS.
>>
>> On 1/30/17, Mason, Amy via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
>> <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>> I'm looking at a few things dealing with travel sites, and I'd love 
>>> to hear a bit more about the good and bad you are finding on 
>>> specific sites where accessibility is concerned. If any of you have 
>>> the chance, I'd appreciate a quick note off list. I'd like to know 
>>> which sites you are having trouble with, and what's acting as 
>>> biggest barriers. I'd also love to know what you find is working 
>>> well for you and why.
>>>
>>> Thanks,.
>>>
>>> Amy Mason
>>> amason at nfb.org
>>> (410) 659-9314 Ext. 2424
>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Zachary N.
>>> Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 12:17 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer <zdreicer at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reliable and Accessible Flight Booking App or 
>>> Website
>>>
>>> I've been using http://google.com/flights, it takes a little bit to 
>>> get used to and you have to know the tricks to work with that 
>>> website— Like using taba bunch, and the arrow keys, but I found it 
>>> very accessible to create an itinerary and then book directly with 
>>> the airline. Keep in mind that a lot of the Google flights page I 
>>> just text elements that when clicked on, they activate whatever you 
>>> are doing. The page that actually displays the flights gives a link 
>>> to each flight that is very accessible, and includes the price 
>>> including taxes and fees. Sam airlines, like Southwest, do not 
>>> interface with this light section. If you want to do a Southwest 
>>> flight search, you can call 888-792-8747, then when it asks what 
>>> flight number you're calling about, say agent and you will be 
>>> transferred immediately. They can help you book flights over the 
>>> phone at no charge.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
>>>
>>>> On Jan 29, 2017, at 10:51, Katie Wang via NABS-L 
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Miso,
>>>>
>>>> The Travelocity website is reasonably accessible, though the flight 
>>>> search process can be a little cumbersome to navigate with JAWS. If 
>>>> others know of more user-friendly travel booking sites I would love 
>>>> to hear about them as well.
>>>>
>>>> Katie
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/29/17, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I am writing to see if anyone on the list has a recommendation for 
>>>>> accessible and reliable flight finding app or website.
>>>>> I've played around with Expedia, Kayak, and Google Flight and few 
>>>>> direct aireline apps like Southwest and Delta. I think some of 
>>>>> them are decently accessible but  I am not greatly satisfied with 
>>>>> any one of them.
>>>>> I have an iPhone and JAWS 16 fyi.
>>>>> I am trying to compare flights in terms of its times and price.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Miso Kwak
>>>>>
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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Tue Feb 21 02:28:44 2017
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster, NABS President)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 21:28:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally scholarship for college seniors
Message-ID: <009501d28bea$393c7fc0$abb57f40$@gmail.com>


>From the Learning Ally Scholarship Program


 

Each year, Learning Ally offers two endowed scholarship awards to our
members. Recipients receive money for college and post-graduate studies and
are honored for their academic excellence and outstanding personal
accomplishments at our National Achievement Awards celebration. 

 


About the Awards 


            The Mary P. Oenslager Scholastic Achievement Awards (SAA) for
college seniors and graduate students who are Learning Ally members and are
blind or visually impaired. 

 

The Marion Huber Learning Through ListeningR Awards (LTL) for Learning Ally
members who are high school seniors and have learning disabilities.

 

Applications must be submitted no later than May 31st, 2017.

 
<http://learningally.us3.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=0eeae9816449e3afb4f3
cfd80&id=fe44c57d18&e=02c7a25f0d> Apply Now

 

Let me know if you have any questions; and good luck!

Kathryn Webster

President | National Association of Blind Students

(203) 273-8463

Nabs.president at gmail.com


From jty727 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 21 02:54:14 2017
From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 21:54:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Reliable and Accessible Flight Booking App or Website
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I think the Southwest app is very user friendly.  Jet Blue & Fly Delta
are great apps to use as well.

Glad to hear you found an option that worked.

Justin

On 2/20/17, Kathryn Webster, NABS President via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hey Miso,
>
> Thanks for fueling such an engaging conversation. I am a huge fan of the
> Southwest application on iPhones. There are some random buttons that are not
> labeled, but it is definitely usable. I have great luck with Fly Delta,
> Travelocity, Expedia, and Southwest.
>
> Good luck,
> Kathryn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso Kwak via
> NABS-L
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 2:27 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Miso Kwak <misokwak12 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reliable and Accessible Flight Booking App or Website
>
> I apologize this reply is so late but want to say thank you to everyone
> responded.
> I ended up using Google Flight to look up the information I needed and
> getting sighted assistance when I was actually booking the flight as Google
> Flight took me to another web site.
> I will have to check out Expedia for future usage. I have been feeling
> hesitant to create an account if I was not going to use it because it's
> inaccessible.
> On another note I have a membership with Southwest but find the IOS app a
> bit clumsy to use when it comes to date selection, although I think the web
> site is pretty good with JAWS.
>
> Has anyone used Southwest app smoothly?
>
> Best,
> Miso
>
> On 2/1/17, Ignasi Cambra via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> I am a Mac user and find the Expedia site to be very accessible. The
>> Expedia and Kayak iPhone apps are also great, and I remember using the
>> Skyscanner app some time ago and getting things done quite easily. The
>> problem with search engines like Kayak and Skyscanner is that they
>> usually send you to other websites to actually purchase tickets, and
>> accessibility on those third-party websites isn’t always great.
>> Generally speaking I find Expedia to offer the best experience in
>> terms of accessibility both on my desktop and on my phone, and their
>> prices are usually just slightly higher than the cheapest options
>> available from lesser known travel agents that I see on Kayak. The
>> process to buy flight+hotel packages on the Expedia website is also
>> the most accessible I can think of. Things are usually labeled
>> properly with headings, and forms use standard controls that screen
>> readers should recognise easily.
>> Sorry for writing so much! Clearly I spend way too much time flying…
>> Best,
>>
>> IC
>>> On 31 Jan 2017, at 04:33, Vanna Song via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmmm, last time I ever booked anything was on the Mac side of things.
>>> Sites like expedia and others worked fine with Voice Over. I don't
>>> know about the WINDOWS side of things for I have not used those sites
>>> with NVDA or JAWS.
>>>
>>> On 1/30/17, Mason, Amy via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>> I'm looking at a few things dealing with travel sites, and I'd love
>>>> to hear a bit more about the good and bad you are finding on
>>>> specific sites where accessibility is concerned. If any of you have
>>>> the chance, I'd appreciate a quick note off list. I'd like to know
>>>> which sites you are having trouble with, and what's acting as
>>>> biggest barriers. I'd also love to know what you find is working
>>>> well for you and why.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,.
>>>>
>>>> Amy Mason
>>>> amason at nfb.org
>>>> (410) 659-9314 Ext. 2424
>>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Zachary N.
>>>> Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 12:17 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer <zdreicer at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reliable and Accessible Flight Booking App or
>>>> Website
>>>>
>>>> I've been using http://google.com/flights, it takes a little bit to
>>>> get used to and you have to know the tricks to work with that
>>>> website— Like using taba bunch, and the arrow keys, but I found it
>>>> very accessible to create an itinerary and then book directly with
>>>> the airline. Keep in mind that a lot of the Google flights page I
>>>> just text elements that when clicked on, they activate whatever you
>>>> are doing. The page that actually displays the flights gives a link
>>>> to each flight that is very accessible, and includes the price
>>>> including taxes and fees. Sam airlines, like Southwest, do not
>>>> interface with this light section. If you want to do a Southwest
>>>> flight search, you can call 888-792-8747, then when it asks what
>>>> flight number you're calling about, say agent and you will be
>>>> transferred immediately. They can help you book flights over the
>>>> phone at no charge.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 29, 2017, at 10:51, Katie Wang via NABS-L
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Miso,
>>>>>
>>>>> The Travelocity website is reasonably accessible, though the flight
>>>>> search process can be a little cumbersome to navigate with JAWS. If
>>>>> others know of more user-friendly travel booking sites I would love
>>>>> to hear about them as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Katie
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/29/17, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> I am writing to see if anyone on the list has a recommendation for
>>>>>> accessible and reliable flight finding app or website.
>>>>>> I've played around with Expedia, Kayak, and Google Flight and few
>>>>>> direct aireline apps like Southwest and Delta. I think some of
>>>>>> them are decently accessible but  I am not greatly satisfied with
>>>>>> any one of them.
>>>>>> I have an iPhone and JAWS 16 fyi.
>>>>>> I am trying to compare flights in terms of its times and price.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Miso Kwak
>>>>>>
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> Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
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From gpaikens at gmail.com  Tue Feb 21 14:22:36 2017
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 09:22:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Reliable and Accessible Flight Booking App or Website
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I really like the Southwest app for booking flights and managing flights. I
typically use it instead of their website. I like Fly Delta for keeping
track of my flights but prefer to book on delta.com. In the app I have a
hard time comparing the cost of my various flight options. Travelocity is
also an accessible website. I have not used their app.

Best,
Greg

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 9:54 PM, Justin Young via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> I think the Southwest app is very user friendly.  Jet Blue & Fly Delta
> are great apps to use as well.
>
> Glad to hear you found an option that worked.
>
> Justin
>
> On 2/20/17, Kathryn Webster, NABS President via NABS-L
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Hey Miso,
> >
> > Thanks for fueling such an engaging conversation. I am a huge fan of the
> > Southwest application on iPhones. There are some random buttons that are
> not
> > labeled, but it is definitely usable. I have great luck with Fly Delta,
> > Travelocity, Expedia, and Southwest.
> >
> > Good luck,
> > Kathryn
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso Kwak
> via
> > NABS-L
> > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 2:27 PM
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Miso Kwak <misokwak12 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reliable and Accessible Flight Booking App or
> Website
> >
> > I apologize this reply is so late but want to say thank you to everyone
> > responded.
> > I ended up using Google Flight to look up the information I needed and
> > getting sighted assistance when I was actually booking the flight as
> Google
> > Flight took me to another web site.
> > I will have to check out Expedia for future usage. I have been feeling
> > hesitant to create an account if I was not going to use it because it's
> > inaccessible.
> > On another note I have a membership with Southwest but find the IOS app a
> > bit clumsy to use when it comes to date selection, although I think the
> web
> > site is pretty good with JAWS.
> >
> > Has anyone used Southwest app smoothly?
> >
> > Best,
> > Miso
> >
> > On 2/1/17, Ignasi Cambra via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> Hello all,
> >> I am a Mac user and find the Expedia site to be very accessible. The
> >> Expedia and Kayak iPhone apps are also great, and I remember using the
> >> Skyscanner app some time ago and getting things done quite easily. The
> >> problem with search engines like Kayak and Skyscanner is that they
> >> usually send you to other websites to actually purchase tickets, and
> >> accessibility on those third-party websites isn’t always great.
> >> Generally speaking I find Expedia to offer the best experience in
> >> terms of accessibility both on my desktop and on my phone, and their
> >> prices are usually just slightly higher than the cheapest options
> >> available from lesser known travel agents that I see on Kayak. The
> >> process to buy flight+hotel packages on the Expedia website is also
> >> the most accessible I can think of. Things are usually labeled
> >> properly with headings, and forms use standard controls that screen
> >> readers should recognise easily.
> >> Sorry for writing so much! Clearly I spend way too much time flying…
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> IC
> >>> On 31 Jan 2017, at 04:33, Vanna Song via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hmmm, last time I ever booked anything was on the Mac side of things.
> >>> Sites like expedia and others worked fine with Voice Over. I don't
> >>> know about the WINDOWS side of things for I have not used those sites
> >>> with NVDA or JAWS.
> >>>
> >>> On 1/30/17, Mason, Amy via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >>> <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
> >>>> I'm looking at a few things dealing with travel sites, and I'd love
> >>>> to hear a bit more about the good and bad you are finding on
> >>>> specific sites where accessibility is concerned. If any of you have
> >>>> the chance, I'd appreciate a quick note off list. I'd like to know
> >>>> which sites you are having trouble with, and what's acting as
> >>>> biggest barriers. I'd also love to know what you find is working
> >>>> well for you and why.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,.
> >>>>
> >>>> Amy Mason
> >>>> amason at nfb.org
> >>>> (410) 659-9314 Ext. 2424
> >>>> National Federation of the Blind
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Zachary
> N.
> >>>> Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 12:17 PM
> >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Cc: Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer <zdreicer at gmail.com>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reliable and Accessible Flight Booking App or
> >>>> Website
> >>>>
> >>>> I've been using http://google.com/flights, it takes a little bit to
> >>>> get used to and you have to know the tricks to work with that
> >>>> website— Like using taba bunch, and the arrow keys, but I found it
> >>>> very accessible to create an itinerary and then book directly with
> >>>> the airline. Keep in mind that a lot of the Google flights page I
> >>>> just text elements that when clicked on, they activate whatever you
> >>>> are doing. The page that actually displays the flights gives a link
> >>>> to each flight that is very accessible, and includes the price
> >>>> including taxes and fees. Sam airlines, like Southwest, do not
> >>>> interface with this light section. If you want to do a Southwest
> >>>> flight search, you can call 888-792-8747, then when it asks what
> >>>> flight number you're calling about, say agent and you will be
> >>>> transferred immediately. They can help you book flights over the
> >>>> phone at no charge.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Jan 29, 2017, at 10:51, Katie Wang via NABS-L
> >>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Miso,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Travelocity website is reasonably accessible, though the flight
> >>>>> search process can be a little cumbersome to navigate with JAWS. If
> >>>>> others know of more user-friendly travel booking sites I would love
> >>>>> to hear about them as well.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Katie
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 1/29/17, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>> I am writing to see if anyone on the list has a recommendation for
> >>>>>> accessible and reliable flight finding app or website.
> >>>>>> I've played around with Expedia, Kayak, and Google Flight and few
> >>>>>> direct aireline apps like Southwest and Delta. I think some of
> >>>>>> them are decently accessible but  I am not greatly satisfied with
> >>>>>> any one of them.
> >>>>>> I have an iPhone and JAWS 16 fyi.
> >>>>>> I am trying to compare flights in terms of its times and price.
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>> Miso Kwak
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list
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From sarah at sarahblakelarose.com  Tue Feb 21 14:44:43 2017
From: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com (sarah at sarahblakelarose.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 09:44:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Hebrew course open for enrollment
Message-ID: <004501d28c51$0ae587e0$20b097a0$@sarahblakelarose.com>

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inaccessible, please consider our course at Anderson University. This is an
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<http://www.anderson.edu>  for more information.

 

 

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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 21 15:41:41 2017
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 15:41:41 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Any Existing Accessibility Guidelines?
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Hello All,

I understand the National Federation of the Blind is currently advocating for legislation to create national guidelines for creating accessible instructional course materials. However, I am curious, are there any current guidelines regarding accessing visual information such as course materials, online platform systems, and video monitors that only display visual content? I am not a very technical person, so I am not quite sure how to make information technology accessible even though I know it is possible and required to provide equal access to students with disabilities. Any information you could provide in regards to this matter would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Elizabeth

From ligne14 at verizon.net  Tue Feb 21 16:04:27 2017
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 12:04:27 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Reliable and Accessible Flight Booking App or Website
Message-ID: <0OLQ002BRFBNX7A0@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi all,

I know this is not really the purpose of this thread, but now 
we're talking airline apps, I just wanted to let you guys know 
that you can't just book/keep track of flights, but you can also 
use them to have your boarding pass right on your smart phone.  I 
used that feature this summer when I flew out to California, 
(using the United Airlines app,) and in my opinion it is very 
useful.  It reduces the line at the check-in counter at the 
airport, not significantly, but still does a little bit since you 
don't need an extra copy of your boarding pass, and may or may 
not want to check your bags.  Also, the advantage of this is that 
you know in advance all the details of your flight, such as which 
departure gate/at what time it's leaving from, what seat you've 
been assigned, and the time that group starts boarding.  Note 
that you can only do this at least twenty-four hours before your 
flight departs.  Also, now that I mention this, in my opinion, 
this is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay easier than having 
the airport employee dictating you all this info from a paper 
boarding pass, because airports can be 
extreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeemely loud and crowded, so it's already 
hard to hear them in general, (especially me, who has a hearing 
loss in addition to my blindness).  (Not trying to knock anyone 
down who uses paper boarding passes, just telling my opinion).
 I found the United app to be extremely accessible with 
VoiceOver, and have run into absolutely no accessibility barriers 
when checking into my flights.  I'll be going back to California 
this summer, and will most definitely be using this method.

I hope this helps.

Thanks and have a nice day,

Sami

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Aikens via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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Date sent: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 09:22:36 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reliable and Accessible Flight Booking App 
or Website

I really like the Southwest app for booking flights and managing 
flights.  I
typically use it instead of their website.  I like Fly Delta for 
keeping
track of my flights but prefer to book on delta.com.  In the app 
I have a
hard time comparing the cost of my various flight options.  
Travelocity is
also an accessible website.  I have not used their app.

Best,
Greg

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 9:54 PM, Justin Young via NABS-L 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
wrote:

 I think the Southwest app is very user friendly.  Jet Blue & Fly 
Delta
 are great apps to use as well.

 Glad to hear you found an option that worked.

 Justin

 On 2/20/17, Kathryn Webster, NABS President via NABS-L
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 Hey Miso,

 Thanks for fueling such an engaging conversation.  I am a huge 
fan of the
 Southwest application on iPhones.  There are some random buttons 
that are
 not
 labeled, but it is definitely usable.  I have great luck with 
Fly Delta,
 Travelocity, Expedia, and Southwest.

 Good luck,
 Kathryn

 -----Original Message-----
 From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Miso Kwak
 via
 NABS-L
 Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 2:27 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <
 nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Cc: Miso Kwak <misokwak12 at gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reliable and Accessible Flight Booking App 
or
 Website

 I apologize this reply is so late but want to say thank you to 
everyone
 responded.
 I ended up using Google Flight to look up the information I 
needed and
 getting sighted assistance when I was actually booking the 
flight as
 Google
 Flight took me to another web site.
 I will have to check out Expedia for future usage.  I have been 
feeling
 hesitant to create an account if I was not going to use it 
because it's
 inaccessible.
 On another note I have a membership with Southwest but find the 
IOS app a
 bit clumsy to use when it comes to date selection, although I 
think the
 web
 site is pretty good with JAWS.

 Has anyone used Southwest app smoothly?

 Best,
 Miso

 On 2/1/17, Ignasi Cambra via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 Hello all,
 I am a Mac user and find the Expedia site to be very accessible.  
The
 Expedia and Kayak iPhone apps are also great, and I remember 
using the
 Skyscanner app some time ago and getting things done quite 
easily.  The
 problem with search engines like Kayak and Skyscanner is that 
they
 usually send you to other websites to actually purchase tickets, 
and
 accessibility on those third-party websites isn't always great.
 Generally speaking I find Expedia to offer the best experience 
in
 terms of accessibility both on my desktop and on my phone, and 
their
 prices are usually just slightly higher than the cheapest 
options
 available from lesser known travel agents that I see on Kayak.  
The
 process to buy flight+hotel packages on the Expedia website is 
also
 the most accessible I can think of.  Things are usually labeled
 properly with headings, and forms use standard controls that 
screen
 readers should recognise easily.
 Sorry for writing so much! Clearly I spend way too much time 
flying.
 Best,

 IC
 On 31 Jan 2017, at 04:33, Vanna Song via NABS-L 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 wrote:

 Hmmm, last time I ever booked anything was on the Mac side of 
things.
 Sites like expedia and others worked fine with Voice Over.  I 
don't
 know about the WINDOWS side of things for I have not used those 
sites
 with NVDA or JAWS.

 On 1/30/17, Mason, Amy via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
 I'm looking at a few things dealing with travel sites, and I'd 
love
 to hear a bit more about the good and bad you are finding on
 specific sites where accessibility is concerned.  If any of you 
have
 the chance, I'd appreciate a quick note off list.  I'd like to 
know
 which sites you are having trouble with, and what's acting as
 biggest barriers.  I'd also love to know what you find is 
working
 well for you and why.

 Thanks,.

 Amy Mason
 amason at nfb.org
 (410) 659-9314 Ext.  2424
 National Federation of the Blind

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Zachary
 N.
 Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L
 Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 12:17 PM
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 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Cc: Zachary N.  Griego-Dreicer <zdreicer at gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reliable and Accessible Flight Booking App 
or
 Website

 I've been using http://google.com/flights, it takes a little bit 
to
 get used to and you have to know the tricks to work with that
 website- Like using taba bunch, and the arrow keys, but I found 
it
 very accessible to create an itinerary and then book directly 
with
 the airline.  Keep in mind that a lot of the Google flights page 
I
 just text elements that when clicked on, they activate whatever 
you
 are doing.  The page that actually displays the flights gives a 
link
 to each flight that is very accessible, and includes the price
 including taxes and fees.  Sam airlines, like Southwest, do not
 interface with this light section.  If you want to do a 
Southwest
 flight search, you can call 888-792-8747, then when it asks what
 flight number you're calling about, say agent and you will be
 transferred immediately.  They can help you book flights over 
the
 phone at no charge.

 Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver

 On Jan 29, 2017, at 10:51, Katie Wang via NABS-L
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 wrote:

 Hi Miso,

 The Travelocity website is reasonably accessible, though the 
flight
 search process can be a little cumbersome to navigate with JAWS.  
If
 others know of more user-friendly travel booking sites I would 
love
 to hear about them as well.

 Katie

 On 1/29/17, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 Hi all,
 I am writing to see if anyone on the list has a recommendation 
for
 accessible and reliable flight finding app or website.
 I've played around with Expedia, Kayak, and Google Flight and 
few
 direct aireline apps like Southwest and Delta.  I think some of
 them are decently accessible but  I am not greatly satisfied 
with
 any one of them.
 I have an iPhone and JAWS 16 fyi.
 I am trying to compare flights in terms of its times and price.
 Thanks,
 Miso Kwak

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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 21 16:07:57 2017
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 11:07:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Any Existing Accessibility Guidelines?
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Hi,
Here is a link I just found via Google search.
I hope it helps.
https://www.hampshire.edu/oars/accessible-information-technology

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Mohnke via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 10:42 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Any Existing Accessibility Guidelines?

Hello All,

I understand the National Federation of the Blind is currently advocating
for legislation to create national guidelines for creating accessible
instructional course materials. However, I am curious, are there any current
guidelines regarding accessing visual information such as course materials,
online platform systems, and video monitors that only display visual
content? I am not a very technical person, so I am not quite sure how to
make information technology accessible even though I know it is possible and
required to provide equal access to students with disabilities. Any
information you could provide in regards to this matter would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks,
Elizabeth
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From laniemolinar91 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 21 16:28:10 2017
From: laniemolinar91 at gmail.com (laniemolinar91 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 10:28:10 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Optimal Resume
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Hi. I’m taking classes online and my school provides accounts on this website for free. Has anyone ever used this website to create a resume? If so, how accessible is it with screen readers, and do you have any tips for using it? I’m having a hard time getting started with it. Is this a good resume creator, or do you have suggestions for a better one? Also, out of curiosity, are there any other online students on this list? I’ve noticed that blind online students seem to be pretty rare, so I was just wondering. Thanks.

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From sarah at sarahblakelarose.com  Tue Feb 21 16:50:41 2017
From: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com (sarah at sarahblakelarose.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 11:50:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Optimal Resume
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Hi. 

I have never used an online resume creator. I will be interested to hear if anyone has.

I am an online instructor and have had online students who are blind in my courses. I also took online courses quite a few years ago--the university was using an early version of Moodle back then. My university has switched from Moodle to Canvas since I was hired, so I have had experience with both systems. I have found Canvas to be much more user-friendly, assuming attention has been paid to making sure the accessibility features are enabled. My university has been very proactive with regard to this.

Feel free to drop a line if you would like to compare notes.


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Subject: [nabs-l] Optimal Resume

Hi. I’m taking classes online and my school provides accounts on this website for free. Has anyone ever used this website to create a resume? If so, how accessible is it with screen readers, and do you have any tips for using it? I’m having a hard time getting started with it. Is this a good resume creator, or do you have suggestions for a better one? Also, out of curiosity, are there any other online students on this list? I’ve noticed that blind online students seem to be pretty rare, so I was just wondering. Thanks.

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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Tue Feb 21 19:30:50 2017
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 13:30:50 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Any Existing Accessibility Guidelines?
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Elizabeth:

Currently there are no clear and universal accessibility guidelines which
are specific to higher education-related materials. This deficiency is the
very thing we are trying to solve in our advocacy for the AIMHEA bill.
Certain colleges may have developed their own accessibility policies which
have specific guidelines and which are probably available online. The
closest thing to a universal set of guidelines, however, is the Web Content
Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) 2.0, developed by the World Wide Web
Consortium. An overview of this document can be found here:
https://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/wcag.php

Hope this helps,

Chris

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Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Any Existing Accessibility Guidelines?

Hello All,

I understand the National Federation of the Blind is currently advocating
for legislation to create national guidelines for creating accessible
instructional course materials. However, I am curious, are there any current
guidelines regarding accessing visual information such as course materials,
online platform systems, and video monitors that only display visual
content? I am not a very technical person, so I am not quite sure how to
make information technology accessible even though I know it is possible and
required to provide equal access to students with disabilities. Any
information you could provide in regards to this matter would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks,
Elizabeth
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From spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb 21 20:16:27 2017
From: spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net (Jen)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 15:16:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Optimal Resume
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I am an online student and have taken online courses many times. Welcome to the list!



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Subject: [nabs-l] Optimal Resume

Hi. I’m taking classes online and my school provides accounts on this website for free. Has anyone ever used this website to create a resume? If so, how accessible is it with screen readers, and do you have any tips for using it? I’m having a hard time getting started with it. Is this a good resume creator, or do you have suggestions for a better one? Also, out of curiosity, are there any other online students on this list? I’ve noticed that blind online students seem to be pretty rare, so I was just wondering. Thanks.

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From laniemolinar91 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 21 22:04:45 2017
From: laniemolinar91 at gmail.com (laniemolinar91 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 16:04:45 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Optimal Resume
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Hi. It’s nice to meet another blind online student. If you are, or anyone else on this list is, interested in connecting with other disabled online students, check out my Facebook group for students, teachers, and anyone else interested in online education for disabled students. The link is https://www.facebook.com/groups/DisabledOnlineStudentSupport/. Feel free to pass this on to anyone else you think might be interested as well. Thanks.

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From: Jen via NABS-L
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Optimal Resume

I am an online student and have taken online courses many times. Welcome to the list!



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Subject: [nabs-l] Optimal Resume

Hi. I’m taking classes online and my school provides accounts on this website for free. Has anyone ever used this website to create a resume? If so, how accessible is it with screen readers, and do you have any tips for using it? I’m having a hard time getting started with it. Is this a good resume creator, or do you have suggestions for a better one? Also, out of curiosity, are there any other online students on this list? I’ve noticed that blind online students seem to be pretty rare, so I was just wondering. Thanks.

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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 21 22:16:12 2017
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 17:16:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Optimal Resume
Message-ID: <58acbc30.aaa96b0a.8bbb0.c01f@mx.google.com>

Hi,
I'm not allowed on social media.
Would you kindly consider creating an email list?
Thanks,
Jessica

On Feb 21, 2017 5:04 PM, Lanie Molinar via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi. It’s nice to meet another blind online student. If you are, or anyone else on this list is, interested in connecting with other disabled online students, check out my Facebook group for students, teachers, and anyone else interested in online education for disabled students. The link is https://www.facebook.com/groups/DisabledOnlineStudentSupport/. Feel free to pass this on to anyone else you think might be interested as well. Thanks.
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Jen via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 2:15 PM
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> Cc: Jen
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Optimal Resume
>
> I am an online student and have taken online courses many times. Welcome to the list!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lanie Molinar via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 11:28 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: laniemolinar91 at gmail.com
> Subject: [nabs-l] Optimal Resume
>
> Hi. I’m taking classes online and my school provides accounts on this website for free. Has anyone ever used this website to create a resume? If so, how accessible is it with screen readers, and do you have any tips for using it? I’m having a hard time getting started with it. Is this a good resume creator, or do you have suggestions for a better one? Also, out of curiosity, are there any other online students on this list? I’ve noticed that blind online students seem to be pretty rare, so I was just wondering. Thanks.
>
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From laniemolinar91 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 21 22:26:43 2017
From: laniemolinar91 at gmail.com (laniemolinar91 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 16:26:43 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Optimal Resume
In-Reply-To: <58acbc30.aaa96b0a.8bbb0.c01f@mx.google.com>
References: <58acbc30.aaa96b0a.8bbb0.c01f@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <58acbea4.8162620a.a728a.14a8@mx.google.com>

Hi. Good idea. It can’t hurt to have both. I’ll create one on groups.io and post on this list when it’s ready.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Jessica Dail via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 4:17 PM
To: Lanie Molinar via NABS-L
Cc: Jessica Dail
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Optimal Resume

Hi,
I'm not allowed on social media.
Would you kindly consider creating an email list?
Thanks,
Jessica

On Feb 21, 2017 5:04 PM, Lanie Molinar via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi. It’s nice to meet another blind online student. If you are, or anyone else on this list is, interested in connecting with other disabled online students, check out my Facebook group for students, teachers, and anyone else interested in online education for disabled students. The link is https://www.facebook.com/groups/DisabledOnlineStudentSupport/. Feel free to pass this on to anyone else you think might be interested as well. Thanks.
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Jen via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 2:15 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Cc: Jen
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Optimal Resume
>
> I am an online student and have taken online courses many times. Welcome to the list!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lanie Molinar via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 11:28 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: laniemolinar91 at gmail.com
> Subject: [nabs-l] Optimal Resume
>
> Hi. I’m taking classes online and my school provides accounts on this website for free. Has anyone ever used this website to create a resume? If so, how accessible is it with screen readers, and do you have any tips for using it? I’m having a hard time getting started with it. Is this a good resume creator, or do you have suggestions for a better one? Also, out of curiosity, are there any other online students on this list? I’ve noticed that blind online students seem to be pretty rare, so I was just wondering. Thanks.
>
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From laniemolinar91 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 21 23:34:19 2017
From: laniemolinar91 at gmail.com (laniemolinar91 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 17:34:19 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Online Education for Disabled Students Facebook Group and
 Mailing List
Message-ID: <58acce7d.8162620a.a728a.1d8c@mx.google.com>

Hi, everyone. I just created the mailing list that was asked for. There are now both a Facebook group and a mailing list for students and others interested in online education for the disabled. You can join one or both. Here are the links:
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/OnlineEduForDisabled/
Groups.io: send a message with “subscribe” in the subject to online-edu-for-disabled+subscribe at groups.io
Note: You need to use this link to join the Facebook group. I updated its web address so other links I posted before won’t work.
Thanks.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


From ljmaher at swbell.net  Tue Feb 21 23:36:54 2017
From: ljmaher at swbell.net (Louis Maher)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 17:36:54 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Minutes of the Joint Science And Engineering And National
 Association Of Blind Students Meeting Minutes 2017-01-09
Message-ID: <010a01d28c9b$62ee9c70$28cbd550$@swbell.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: Louis Maher [mailto:ljmaher at swbell.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 2:11 PM
To: 'nfb-science at nfbnet.org' <nfb-science at nfbnet.org>; 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org.'
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org.>
Subject: Minutes of the Joint Science And Engineering And National
Association Of Blind Students Meeting Minutes 2017-01-09

Folks,

On January 9, 2017, The Science and Engineering Division of the National
Federation of the Blind and The National Association of Blind Students of
the National Federation of the Blind, had a science-oriented phone
conference using the Students' conference line.  Here are the minutes from
that meeting.  

Please let me know about any corrections.


Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher at swbell.net

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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 05:38:00 2017
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 23:38:00 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Burning Questions: An Interesting Topic for Discussion
Message-ID: <006001d28ccd$d50a92f0$7f1fb8d0$@gmail.com>

Hey NABSters:

 

As one of the co-chairs of our newly formed Outreach Committee, one of my
goals is to engage our list members in NABS as a whole and to fuel
conversations on the list which provoke thought and encourage us to think
more deeply about our attitudes toward blindness. In an effort to achieve
this goal, I will post a question from time to time which I hope will kick
off a lively and productive discussion among newly-blind students and
seasoned Federationists alike. This is the first post in that series.

 

During a conversation I had yesterday with the director of the Louisiana
Center for the Blind, where I am currently receiving training, she mentioned
that all of us have a few "burning questions" about our blindness, whether
or not we've had training or been exposed to Federation philosophy. Of
course, those of us who are in training don't learn all we need to know in
nine months at a center, nor do we stop learning and growing after our
graduation. Moreover, those who are newly-blind or who are just being
introduced to nonvisual skills may have many such questions, or may believe
that something can't be done without sight until they learn from other blind
people the alternative techniques they can use to get the job done. So,
here's my question to each of you: What is your "burning question?" In other
words, what are you most uncertain about doing as a blind person? This could
be about anything, from education to travel to daily living-anything that's
been nagging at the back of your mind waiting to be let out. If all goes
well, your question can be answered by another blind student who has faced
the same challenges you are now facing and who can give you advice and
support. This networking and support is what this list and the Federation
are all about.

 

I hope this little Q&A session will serve as a helpful and fun way for us to
learn from each other. As you post your questions, please be assured that
this is a judgment-free list, and that you can feel free to be honest with
your questions without fear of criticism or attack. I look forward to
learning from all of you and to hopefully helping someone who is facing a
roadblock on their journey with blindness. Let's discuss!

 

Best,

 

Chris

 

Chris Nusbaum, President

Maryland Association of Blind Students

Board Member, National Association of Blind Students

Phone: (443) 547-2409

Email: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com

Twitter: @Chrisn98 and @nabslink

 

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
expectations for blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
blindness is not what holds you bak.

 


From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 09:12:04 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 01:12:04 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Burning Questions: An Interesting Topic for Discussion
In-Reply-To: <006001d28ccd$d50a92f0$7f1fb8d0$@gmail.com>
References: <006001d28ccd$d50a92f0$7f1fb8d0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9108678A-A408-4607-B912-D45A81E3EFE2@gmail.com>

Hi Chris and All,
I see that there have not yet been any replies to this, so I will try to get us started:
How would you deal with a party/open house setting if you are going alone without friends and you want to eat the food, but you have allergies? Often at these events people have brought things from all over and there's no  one person  consistently there who knows about what is in everything.
Vejas

> On Feb 21, 2017, at 21:38, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey NABSters:
> 
> 
> 
> As one of the co-chairs of our newly formed Outreach Committee, one of my
> goals is to engage our list members in NABS as a whole and to fuel
> conversations on the list which provoke thought and encourage us to think
> more deeply about our attitudes toward blindness. In an effort to achieve
> this goal, I will post a question from time to time which I hope will kick
> off a lively and productive discussion among newly-blind students and
> seasoned Federationists alike. This is the first post in that series.
> 
> 
> 
> During a conversation I had yesterday with the director of the Louisiana
> Center for the Blind, where I am currently receiving training, she mentioned
> that all of us have a few "burning questions" about our blindness, whether
> or not we've had training or been exposed to Federation philosophy. Of
> course, those of us who are in training don't learn all we need to know in
> nine months at a center, nor do we stop learning and growing after our
> graduation. Moreover, those who are newly-blind or who are just being
> introduced to nonvisual skills may have many such questions, or may believe
> that something can't be done without sight until they learn from other blind
> people the alternative techniques they can use to get the job done. So,
> here's my question to each of you: What is your "burning question?" In other
> words, what are you most uncertain about doing as a blind person? This could
> be about anything, from education to travel to daily living-anything that's
> been nagging at the back of your mind waiting to be let out. If all goes
> well, your question can be answered by another blind student who has faced
> the same challenges you are now facing and who can give you advice and
> support. This networking and support is what this list and the Federation
> are all about.
> 
> 
> 
> I hope this little Q&A session will serve as a helpful and fun way for us to
> learn from each other. As you post your questions, please be assured that
> this is a judgment-free list, and that you can feel free to be honest with
> your questions without fear of criticism or attack. I look forward to
> learning from all of you and to hopefully helping someone who is facing a
> roadblock on their journey with blindness. Let's discuss!
> 
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> 
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
> Chris Nusbaum, President
> 
> Maryland Association of Blind Students
> 
> Board Member, National Association of Blind Students
> 
> Phone: (443) 547-2409
> 
> Email: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com
> 
> Twitter: @Chrisn98 and @nabslink
> 
> 
> 
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
> expectations for blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
> blindness is not what holds you bak.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 12:06:13 2017
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 07:06:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Burning Questions: An Interesting Topic for Discussion
In-Reply-To: <9108678A-A408-4607-B912-D45A81E3EFE2@gmail.com>
References: <006001d28ccd$d50a92f0$7f1fb8d0$@gmail.com>
	<9108678A-A408-4607-B912-D45A81E3EFE2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <33687EEC-3A0C-496B-B3CF-56AC62D2BEC8@gmail.com>

Hi,
My question is "How do I know if I'm in a good part of a city or town? 

I've gotten many different answers from different people in the passed. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 22, 2017, at 4:12 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris and All,
> I see that there have not yet been any replies to this, so I will try to get us started:
> How would you deal with a party/open house setting if you are going alone without friends and you want to eat the food, but you have allergies? Often at these events people have brought things from all over and there's no  one person  consistently there who knows about what is in everything.
> Vejas
> 
>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 21:38, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey NABSters:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> As one of the co-chairs of our newly formed Outreach Committee, one of my
>> goals is to engage our list members in NABS as a whole and to fuel
>> conversations on the list which provoke thought and encourage us to think
>> more deeply about our attitudes toward blindness. In an effort to achieve
>> this goal, I will post a question from time to time which I hope will kick
>> off a lively and productive discussion among newly-blind students and
>> seasoned Federationists alike. This is the first post in that series.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> During a conversation I had yesterday with the director of the Louisiana
>> Center for the Blind, where I am currently receiving training, she mentioned
>> that all of us have a few "burning questions" about our blindness, whether
>> or not we've had training or been exposed to Federation philosophy. Of
>> course, those of us who are in training don't learn all we need to know in
>> nine months at a center, nor do we stop learning and growing after our
>> graduation. Moreover, those who are newly-blind or who are just being
>> introduced to nonvisual skills may have many such questions, or may believe
>> that something can't be done without sight until they learn from other blind
>> people the alternative techniques they can use to get the job done. So,
>> here's my question to each of you: What is your "burning question?" In other
>> words, what are you most uncertain about doing as a blind person? This could
>> be about anything, from education to travel to daily living-anything that's
>> been nagging at the back of your mind waiting to be let out. If all goes
>> well, your question can be answered by another blind student who has faced
>> the same challenges you are now facing and who can give you advice and
>> support. This networking and support is what this list and the Federation
>> are all about.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I hope this little Q&A session will serve as a helpful and fun way for us to
>> learn from each other. As you post your questions, please be assured that
>> this is a judgment-free list, and that you can feel free to be honest with
>> your questions without fear of criticism or attack. I look forward to
>> learning from all of you and to hopefully helping someone who is facing a
>> roadblock on their journey with blindness. Let's discuss!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Chris Nusbaum, President
>> 
>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>> 
>> Board Member, National Association of Blind Students
>> 
>> Phone: (443) 547-2409
>> 
>> Email: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com
>> 
>> Twitter: @Chrisn98 and @nabslink
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
>> expectations for blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
>> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
>> blindness is not what holds you bak.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com
> 
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From ahbeeorton at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 22 13:03:15 2017
From: ahbeeorton at yahoo.com (Ahbee Orton)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 07:03:15 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] writing and working out math and Chemistry  problems
Message-ID: <12E3C983-EC75-48CA-A23D-90B26DBE0A19@yahoo.com>

Hi All, 

I'm wondering, how did you do math and science  in high school and now in college? I know that it's better on the brailler but it is noisy so it can be difficult for me or the others to hear the teacher. I would also wonder what I should do, because my TVI isn't so good at Braille. I'd have to tell her what the paper says. Any suggestions on completing math and chemistry assignments and doing the work the teacher's showing on the board as well? Thanks! 
Ahbee  


Sent from Ahbee's iPhone


From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 13:05:03 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 08:05:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] writing and working out math and Chemistry  problems
In-Reply-To: <12E3C983-EC75-48CA-A23D-90B26DBE0A19@yahoo.com>
References: <12E3C983-EC75-48CA-A23D-90B26DBE0A19@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003801d28d0c$48650670$d92f1350$@gmail.com>

I just used my brailler in class whne in high school.
 Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ahbee Orton via
NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:03 AM
To: Lizzy via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Ahbee Orton <ahbeeorton at yahoo.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] writing and working out math and Chemistry problems

Hi All, 

I'm wondering, how did you do math and science  in high school and now in
college? I know that it's better on the brailler but it is noisy so it can
be difficult for me or the others to hear the teacher. I would also wonder
what I should do, because my TVI isn't so good at Braille. I'd have to tell
her what the paper says. Any suggestions on completing math and chemistry
assignments and doing the work the teacher's showing on the board as well?
Thanks! 
Ahbee  


Sent from Ahbee's iPhone

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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 13:05:25 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 08:05:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] writing and working out math and Chemistry  problems
In-Reply-To: <12E3C983-EC75-48CA-A23D-90B26DBE0A19@yahoo.com>
References: <12E3C983-EC75-48CA-A23D-90B26DBE0A19@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003d01d28d0c$554b5510$ffe1ff30$@gmail.com>

You can use a note taker if you have one.
Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ahbee Orton via
NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:03 AM
To: Lizzy via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Ahbee Orton <ahbeeorton at yahoo.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] writing and working out math and Chemistry problems

Hi All, 

I'm wondering, how did you do math and science  in high school and now in
college? I know that it's better on the brailler but it is noisy so it can
be difficult for me or the others to hear the teacher. I would also wonder
what I should do, because my TVI isn't so good at Braille. I'd have to tell
her what the paper says. Any suggestions on completing math and chemistry
assignments and doing the work the teacher's showing on the board as well?
Thanks! 
Ahbee  


Sent from Ahbee's iPhone

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From spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net  Wed Feb 22 13:26:42 2017
From: spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net (Jen)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 08:26:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] writing and working out math and Chemistry  problems
In-Reply-To: <12E3C983-EC75-48CA-A23D-90B26DBE0A19@yahoo.com>
References: <12E3C983-EC75-48CA-A23D-90B26DBE0A19@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000401d28d0f$50ac4a20$f204de60$@sbcglobal.net>

Hi Ahbee,

In high school, I did math on the brailler. My sighted math tutor helped me
with the problems and transcribed my work, as she learned to read braille
with her eyes. In college, I used my BrailleNote to take notes and do other
work and, if the teacher needed it printed, I would export it onto a floppy
disk in a Word document. If I was at home, I would connect the BrailleNote
to my printer via its serial port and print the document.

I hope this helps.

Jen

spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net

-----Original Message-----

From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ahbee Orton via
NABS-L

Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:03 AM

To: Lizzy via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>

Cc: Ahbee Orton <ahbeeorton at yahoo.com>

Subject: [nabs-l] writing and working out math and Chemistry problems

Hi All, 

I'm wondering, how did you do math and science  in high school and now in
college? I know it's better on the brailler, but it is noisy, so it can be
difficult for me or the others to hear the teacher. I also wonder what I
should do because my TVI isn't so good at Braille. I'd have to tell her what
the paper says. Any suggestions on completing math and chemistry assignments
and doing the work the teacher's showing on the board as well? Thanks! 

Ahbee  


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From alliefa1999 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 13:47:16 2017
From: alliefa1999 at gmail.com (Alexandra Alfonso)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 08:47:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Burning Questions: An Interesting Topic for Discussion
In-Reply-To: <006001d28ccd$d50a92f0$7f1fb8d0$@gmail.com>
References: <006001d28ccd$d50a92f0$7f1fb8d0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO84cXr4HpHTaJ9eKsWzrJwZt-bzbqf98DjG7v8pG6n_7B+5Ow@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all, My question is, what do you do if you don't get something in
an accessible format at college?

On 2/22/17, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hey NABSters:
>
>
>
> As one of the co-chairs of our newly formed Outreach Committee, one of my
> goals is to engage our list members in NABS as a whole and to fuel
> conversations on the list which provoke thought and encourage us to think
> more deeply about our attitudes toward blindness. In an effort to achieve
> this goal, I will post a question from time to time which I hope will kick
> off a lively and productive discussion among newly-blind students and
> seasoned Federationists alike. This is the first post in that series.
>
>
>
> During a conversation I had yesterday with the director of the Louisiana
> Center for the Blind, where I am currently receiving training, she
> mentioned
> that all of us have a few "burning questions" about our blindness, whether
> or not we've had training or been exposed to Federation philosophy. Of
> course, those of us who are in training don't learn all we need to know in
> nine months at a center, nor do we stop learning and growing after our
> graduation. Moreover, those who are newly-blind or who are just being
> introduced to nonvisual skills may have many such questions, or may believe
> that something can't be done without sight until they learn from other
> blind
> people the alternative techniques they can use to get the job done. So,
> here's my question to each of you: What is your "burning question?" In
> other
> words, what are you most uncertain about doing as a blind person? This
> could
> be about anything, from education to travel to daily living-anything that's
> been nagging at the back of your mind waiting to be let out. If all goes
> well, your question can be answered by another blind student who has faced
> the same challenges you are now facing and who can give you advice and
> support. This networking and support is what this list and the Federation
> are all about.
>
>
>
> I hope this little Q&A session will serve as a helpful and fun way for us
> to
> learn from each other. As you post your questions, please be assured that
> this is a judgment-free list, and that you can feel free to be honest with
> your questions without fear of criticism or attack. I look forward to
> learning from all of you and to hopefully helping someone who is facing a
> roadblock on their journey with blindness. Let's discuss!
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> Chris Nusbaum, President
>
> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>
> Board Member, National Association of Blind Students
>
> Phone: (443) 547-2409
>
> Email: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com
>
> Twitter: @Chrisn98 and @nabslink
>
>
>
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
> expectations for blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
> blindness is not what holds you bak.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From knownoflove at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 14:07:42 2017
From: knownoflove at gmail.com (Miranda B.)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 09:07:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] My Math Lab and JAWS
Message-ID: <004101d28d15$08bd0280$1a370780$@gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

Back in 2014, I took a personal finance class to satisfy my general math
requirement, as it used Microsoft Excel and was accessible with JAWS.
Moreover, at the time, My Math Lab was not reliable with JAWS, and this is
what my university uses for their math courses. I'm now attempting to use
that course substitution as a prerequisite for a psychology statistics
course, and the chair of my school's psychology department is not wanting to
grant this request, as he says the personal finance course doesn't fulfill
the elementary statistics needed for the psychology stats course. If I
remember correctly, the math course required as the prerequesit covers a
wide variety of mathematical concepts, including algebra, geometry,
elementary statistics, ETC. Moreover, in order to even enroll in this
course, I would first need to successfully pass two lower-level math
courses, just to satisfy a math prerequisite for this psychology statistics
course.

I'm coming to all of you wanting to know the status of JAWS and My Math Lab
accessibility. Specificly, is there any accessibility beyond basic algebraic
equasions? Has the accessibility been updated past JAWS 15-16? It seems that
the accessibility portion of the Pearson website hasn't been updated since
2014. Moreover, the information provided there seems itself to indicate
limited compatibility between the two programs. Any thoughts or feedback
would be very much appreciated.

Thanks in advance for your time and assistance, and have a wonderful week!

 

Best wishes, Miranda

 


From nabs.president at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 14:21:37 2017
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster, NABS President)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 09:21:37 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Burning Questions: An Interesting Topic for Discussion
In-Reply-To: <33687EEC-3A0C-496B-B3CF-56AC62D2BEC8@gmail.com>
References: <006001d28ccd$d50a92f0$7f1fb8d0$@gmail.com>	<9108678A-A408-4607-B912-D45A81E3EFE2@gmail.com>
	<33687EEC-3A0C-496B-B3CF-56AC62D2BEC8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <032201d28d16$fa99dc30$efcd9490$@gmail.com>

Jessica, I love this question! Something to definitely think about is
research beforehand. You can learn a lot from online browsing, reviews on
restaurants and living situations, and what's around you. Using different
applications like Blind Square, Google Maps, Yelp, Around Me, and other
applications, you can gain a good sense of your surroundings through
research. Of course, asking people in the community, whether a friend or
colleague, is always helpful since they will give you the best primary
knowledge.

Best,
Kathryn Webster

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jessica Dail
via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:06 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Jessica Dail <jldail13 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Burning Questions: An Interesting Topic for Discussion

Hi,
My question is "How do I know if I'm in a good part of a city or town? 

I've gotten many different answers from different people in the passed. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 22, 2017, at 4:12 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris and All,
> I see that there have not yet been any replies to this, so I will try to
get us started:
> How would you deal with a party/open house setting if you are going alone
without friends and you want to eat the food, but you have allergies? Often
at these events people have brought things from all over and there's no  one
person  consistently there who knows about what is in everything.
> Vejas
> 
>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 21:38, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>> 
>> Hey NABSters:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> As one of the co-chairs of our newly formed Outreach Committee, one 
>> of my goals is to engage our list members in NABS as a whole and to 
>> fuel conversations on the list which provoke thought and encourage us 
>> to think more deeply about our attitudes toward blindness. In an 
>> effort to achieve this goal, I will post a question from time to time 
>> which I hope will kick off a lively and productive discussion among 
>> newly-blind students and seasoned Federationists alike. This is the first
post in that series.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> During a conversation I had yesterday with the director of the 
>> Louisiana Center for the Blind, where I am currently receiving 
>> training, she mentioned that all of us have a few "burning questions" 
>> about our blindness, whether or not we've had training or been 
>> exposed to Federation philosophy. Of course, those of us who are in 
>> training don't learn all we need to know in nine months at a center, 
>> nor do we stop learning and growing after our graduation. Moreover, 
>> those who are newly-blind or who are just being introduced to 
>> nonvisual skills may have many such questions, or may believe that 
>> something can't be done without sight until they learn from other 
>> blind people the alternative techniques they can use to get the job 
>> done. So, here's my question to each of you: What is your "burning 
>> question?" In other words, what are you most uncertain about doing as 
>> a blind person? This could be about anything, from education to 
>> travel to daily living-anything that's been nagging at the back of 
>> your mind waiting to be let out. If all goes well, your question can 
>> be answered by another blind student who has faced the same 
>> challenges you are now facing and who can give you advice and support.
This networking and support is what this list and the Federation are all
about.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I hope this little Q&A session will serve as a helpful and fun way 
>> for us to learn from each other. As you post your questions, please 
>> be assured that this is a judgment-free list, and that you can feel 
>> free to be honest with your questions without fear of criticism or 
>> attack. I look forward to learning from all of you and to hopefully 
>> helping someone who is facing a roadblock on their journey with
blindness. Let's discuss!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Chris Nusbaum, President
>> 
>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>> 
>> Board Member, National Association of Blind Students
>> 
>> Phone: (443) 547-2409
>> 
>> Email: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com
>> 
>> Twitter: @Chrisn98 and @nabslink
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the 
>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise 
>> expectations for blind people, because low expectations create 
>> obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life 
>> you want; blindness is not what holds you bak.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
NABS-L:
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>> %40gmail.com
> 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 14:24:12 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 09:24:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Burning Questions: An Interesting Topic for Discussion
In-Reply-To: <032201d28d16$fa99dc30$efcd9490$@gmail.com>
References: <006001d28ccd$d50a92f0$7f1fb8d0$@gmail.com>	<9108678A-A408-4607-B912-D45A81E3EFE2@gmail.com>	<33687EEC-3A0C-496B-B3CF-56AC62D2BEC8@gmail.com>
	<032201d28d16$fa99dc30$efcd9490$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005701d28d17$56f29b70$04d7d250$@gmail.com>

First, you've got to define what a good part of tonw is.  Good part for you,
good part for doing a certain think, good part for safety, or good part for
a visiter.
 Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn
Webster, NABS President via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:22 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Kathryn Webster, NABS President <nabs.president at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Burning Questions: An Interesting Topic for Discussion

Jessica, I love this question! Something to definitely think about is
research beforehand. You can learn a lot from online browsing, reviews on
restaurants and living situations, and what's around you. Using different
applications like Blind Square, Google Maps, Yelp, Around Me, and other
applications, you can gain a good sense of your surroundings through
research. Of course, asking people in the community, whether a friend or
colleague, is always helpful since they will give you the best primary
knowledge.

Best,
Kathryn Webster

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jessica Dail
via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:06 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Jessica Dail <jldail13 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Burning Questions: An Interesting Topic for Discussion

Hi,
My question is "How do I know if I'm in a good part of a city or town? 

I've gotten many different answers from different people in the passed. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 22, 2017, at 4:12 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris and All,
> I see that there have not yet been any replies to this, so I will try 
> to
get us started:
> How would you deal with a party/open house setting if you are going 
> alone
without friends and you want to eat the food, but you have allergies? Often
at these events people have brought things from all over and there's no  one
person  consistently there who knows about what is in everything.
> Vejas
> 
>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 21:38, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>> 
>> Hey NABSters:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> As one of the co-chairs of our newly formed Outreach Committee, one 
>> of my goals is to engage our list members in NABS as a whole and to 
>> fuel conversations on the list which provoke thought and encourage us 
>> to think more deeply about our attitudes toward blindness. In an 
>> effort to achieve this goal, I will post a question from time to time 
>> which I hope will kick off a lively and productive discussion among 
>> newly-blind students and seasoned Federationists alike. This is the 
>> first
post in that series.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> During a conversation I had yesterday with the director of the 
>> Louisiana Center for the Blind, where I am currently receiving 
>> training, she mentioned that all of us have a few "burning questions"
>> about our blindness, whether or not we've had training or been 
>> exposed to Federation philosophy. Of course, those of us who are in 
>> training don't learn all we need to know in nine months at a center, 
>> nor do we stop learning and growing after our graduation. Moreover, 
>> those who are newly-blind or who are just being introduced to 
>> nonvisual skills may have many such questions, or may believe that 
>> something can't be done without sight until they learn from other 
>> blind people the alternative techniques they can use to get the job 
>> done. So, here's my question to each of you: What is your "burning 
>> question?" In other words, what are you most uncertain about doing as 
>> a blind person? This could be about anything, from education to 
>> travel to daily living-anything that's been nagging at the back of 
>> your mind waiting to be let out. If all goes well, your question can 
>> be answered by another blind student who has faced the same 
>> challenges you are now facing and who can give you advice and support.
This networking and support is what this list and the Federation are all
about.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I hope this little Q&A session will serve as a helpful and fun way 
>> for us to learn from each other. As you post your questions, please 
>> be assured that this is a judgment-free list, and that you can feel 
>> free to be honest with your questions without fear of criticism or 
>> attack. I look forward to learning from all of you and to hopefully 
>> helping someone who is facing a roadblock on their journey with
blindness. Let's discuss!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Chris Nusbaum, President
>> 
>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>> 
>> Board Member, National Association of Blind Students
>> 
>> Phone: (443) 547-2409
>> 
>> Email: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com
>> 
>> Twitter: @Chrisn98 and @nabslink
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the 
>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise 
>> expectations for blind people, because low expectations create 
>> obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life 
>> you want; blindness is not what holds you bak.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 14:51:15 2017
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 09:51:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Burning Questions: An Interesting Topic for Discussion
Message-ID: <58ada58c.4431620a.1cded.6537@mx.google.com>

Hi Chris thanks for your message.  My burning question is about a 
setting on Apple devices.  Why is the share your location feature 
an option in the settings menu? I don't know why anyone would 
want to share their location, and I feel like it puts entire 
families in danger.


From alliefa1999 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 15:03:10 2017
From: alliefa1999 at gmail.com (Alexandra Alfonso)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 10:03:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Burning Questions: An Interesting Topic for Discussion
In-Reply-To: <58ada58c.4431620a.1cded.6537@mx.google.com>
References: <58ada58c.4431620a.1cded.6537@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAO84cXqXP3489jksB47u-bM0D-8BypHvEuTn5AdWTOogE2NqqA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, I agree that could be danh"rous. People could use it to help give
you dirctions.

On 2/22/17, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Chris thanks for your message.  My burning question is about a
> setting on Apple devices.  Why is the share your location feature
> an option in the settings menu? I don't know why anyone would
> want to share their location, and I feel like it puts entire
> families in danger.
>
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From sarah at sarahblakelarose.com  Wed Feb 22 15:22:14 2017
From: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com (sarah at sarahblakelarose.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 10:22:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Burning Questions: An Interesting Topic for Discussion
In-Reply-To: <9108678A-A408-4607-B912-D45A81E3EFE2@gmail.com>
References: <006001d28ccd$d50a92f0$7f1fb8d0$@gmail.com>
	<9108678A-A408-4607-B912-D45A81E3EFE2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002601d28d1f$7308b9e0$591a2da0$@sarahblakelarose.com>

This is a situation I face on a regular basis. I consider it my job to be
familiar with the types of food that tend to have ingredients I am allergic
to. I don't make a practice of reading labels obsessively--it is too
time-consuming and stressful. Instead, I have educated myself about cooking
and the types of ingredients that go into certain types of foods. I know,
for instance, that baked goods often contain wheat and oats, both of which I
am allergic to but produce different symptoms. I can eat wheat in limited
amounts but cannot have oats. Sometimes I will take a very small test bite
from someone else before filling my own plate. If I suspect too much that
the food will have too many ingredients I should not have, I move on to
another item. I also always carry "safe food" with me so that I can eat
something even if it is not the same food that everyone else is eating.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 4:12 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Burning Questions: An Interesting Topic for Discussion

Hi Chris and All,
I see that there have not yet been any replies to this, so I will try to get
us started:
How would you deal with a party/open house setting if you are going alone
without friends and you want to eat the food, but you have allergies? Often
at these events people have brought things from all over and there's no  one
person  consistently there who knows about what is in everything.
Vejas

> On Feb 21, 2017, at 21:38, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> Hey NABSters:
> 
> 
> 
> As one of the co-chairs of our newly formed Outreach Committee, one of 
> my goals is to engage our list members in NABS as a whole and to fuel 
> conversations on the list which provoke thought and encourage us to 
> think more deeply about our attitudes toward blindness. In an effort 
> to achieve this goal, I will post a question from time to time which I 
> hope will kick off a lively and productive discussion among 
> newly-blind students and seasoned Federationists alike. This is the first
post in that series.
> 
> 
> 
> During a conversation I had yesterday with the director of the 
> Louisiana Center for the Blind, where I am currently receiving 
> training, she mentioned that all of us have a few "burning questions" 
> about our blindness, whether or not we've had training or been exposed 
> to Federation philosophy. Of course, those of us who are in training 
> don't learn all we need to know in nine months at a center, nor do we 
> stop learning and growing after our graduation. Moreover, those who 
> are newly-blind or who are just being introduced to nonvisual skills 
> may have many such questions, or may believe that something can't be 
> done without sight until they learn from other blind people the 
> alternative techniques they can use to get the job done. So, here's my 
> question to each of you: What is your "burning question?" In other 
> words, what are you most uncertain about doing as a blind person? This 
> could be about anything, from education to travel to daily 
> living-anything that's been nagging at the back of your mind waiting 
> to be let out. If all goes well, your question can be answered by 
> another blind student who has faced the same challenges you are now 
> facing and who can give you advice and support. This networking and
support is what this list and the Federation are all about.
> 
> 
> 
> I hope this little Q&A session will serve as a helpful and fun way for 
> us to learn from each other. As you post your questions, please be 
> assured that this is a judgment-free list, and that you can feel free 
> to be honest with your questions without fear of criticism or attack. 
> I look forward to learning from all of you and to hopefully helping 
> someone who is facing a roadblock on their journey with blindness. Let's
discuss!
> 
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> 
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
> Chris Nusbaum, President
> 
> Maryland Association of Blind Students
> 
> Board Member, National Association of Blind Students
> 
> Phone: (443) 547-2409
> 
> Email: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com
> 
> Twitter: @Chrisn98 and @nabslink
> 
> 
> 
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the 
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise 
> expectations for blind people, because low expectations create 
> obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life 
> you want; blindness is not what holds you bak.
> 
> 
> 
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From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 16:05:04 2017
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 10:05:04 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Burning Questions: An Interesting Topic for Discussion
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Hey Vejas,
I would ask around. See if others have gotten a certain dish, or ask if someone knows who made it. Generally, at functions like this, you’re bound to find somebody who knows somebody who made that dish. It’s also a great conversation starter that doesn’t have to do with blindness. :)
Hope that helps.
Aleeha 
> On Feb 22, 2017, at 3:12 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris and All,
> I see that there have not yet been any replies to this, so I will try to get us started:
> How would you deal with a party/open house setting if you are going alone without friends and you want to eat the food, but you have allergies? Often at these events people have brought things from all over and there's no  one person  consistently there who knows about what is in everything.
> Vejas
> 
>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 21:38, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey NABSters:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> As one of the co-chairs of our newly formed Outreach Committee, one of my
>> goals is to engage our list members in NABS as a whole and to fuel
>> conversations on the list which provoke thought and encourage us to think
>> more deeply about our attitudes toward blindness. In an effort to achieve
>> this goal, I will post a question from time to time which I hope will kick
>> off a lively and productive discussion among newly-blind students and
>> seasoned Federationists alike. This is the first post in that series.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> During a conversation I had yesterday with the director of the Louisiana
>> Center for the Blind, where I am currently receiving training, she mentioned
>> that all of us have a few "burning questions" about our blindness, whether
>> or not we've had training or been exposed to Federation philosophy. Of
>> course, those of us who are in training don't learn all we need to know in
>> nine months at a center, nor do we stop learning and growing after our
>> graduation. Moreover, those who are newly-blind or who are just being
>> introduced to nonvisual skills may have many such questions, or may believe
>> that something can't be done without sight until they learn from other blind
>> people the alternative techniques they can use to get the job done. So,
>> here's my question to each of you: What is your "burning question?" In other
>> words, what are you most uncertain about doing as a blind person? This could
>> be about anything, from education to travel to daily living-anything that's
>> been nagging at the back of your mind waiting to be let out. If all goes
>> well, your question can be answered by another blind student who has faced
>> the same challenges you are now facing and who can give you advice and
>> support. This networking and support is what this list and the Federation
>> are all about.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I hope this little Q&A session will serve as a helpful and fun way for us to
>> learn from each other. As you post your questions, please be assured that
>> this is a judgment-free list, and that you can feel free to be honest with
>> your questions without fear of criticism or attack. I look forward to
>> learning from all of you and to hopefully helping someone who is facing a
>> roadblock on their journey with blindness. Let's discuss!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Chris Nusbaum, President
>> 
>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>> 
>> Board Member, National Association of Blind Students
>> 
>> Phone: (443) 547-2409
>> 
>> Email: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com
>> 
>> Twitter: @Chrisn98 and @nabslink
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
>> expectations for blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
>> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
>> blindness is not what holds you bak.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 16:07:28 2017
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 10:07:28 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Burning Questions: An Interesting Topic for Discussion
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Hi Jessica,
One of the things I do is to stay in areas where there are a lot of businesses if I don’t know the town well. As I live in an area for a given time, I find that I will learn through talking with others or by experience that a certain area is not so great. One thing I would suggest is to remain confident. If you are walking at a comfortable, confident pace, acting like you know where you are going, even if you might not, you will find that you are approached much less often and can get yourself out of a sticky situation if needed. 
I hope that helps some.
Aleeha 
> On Feb 22, 2017, at 6:06 AM, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> My question is "How do I know if I'm in a good part of a city or town? 
> 
> I've gotten many different answers from different people in the passed. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 4:12 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Chris and All,
>> I see that there have not yet been any replies to this, so I will try to get us started:
>> How would you deal with a party/open house setting if you are going alone without friends and you want to eat the food, but you have allergies? Often at these events people have brought things from all over and there's no  one person  consistently there who knows about what is in everything.
>> Vejas
>> 
>>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 21:38, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey NABSters:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> As one of the co-chairs of our newly formed Outreach Committee, one of my
>>> goals is to engage our list members in NABS as a whole and to fuel
>>> conversations on the list which provoke thought and encourage us to think
>>> more deeply about our attitudes toward blindness. In an effort to achieve
>>> this goal, I will post a question from time to time which I hope will kick
>>> off a lively and productive discussion among newly-blind students and
>>> seasoned Federationists alike. This is the first post in that series.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> During a conversation I had yesterday with the director of the Louisiana
>>> Center for the Blind, where I am currently receiving training, she mentioned
>>> that all of us have a few "burning questions" about our blindness, whether
>>> or not we've had training or been exposed to Federation philosophy. Of
>>> course, those of us who are in training don't learn all we need to know in
>>> nine months at a center, nor do we stop learning and growing after our
>>> graduation. Moreover, those who are newly-blind or who are just being
>>> introduced to nonvisual skills may have many such questions, or may believe
>>> that something can't be done without sight until they learn from other blind
>>> people the alternative techniques they can use to get the job done. So,
>>> here's my question to each of you: What is your "burning question?" In other
>>> words, what are you most uncertain about doing as a blind person? This could
>>> be about anything, from education to travel to daily living-anything that's
>>> been nagging at the back of your mind waiting to be let out. If all goes
>>> well, your question can be answered by another blind student who has faced
>>> the same challenges you are now facing and who can give you advice and
>>> support. This networking and support is what this list and the Federation
>>> are all about.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I hope this little Q&A session will serve as a helpful and fun way for us to
>>> learn from each other. As you post your questions, please be assured that
>>> this is a judgment-free list, and that you can feel free to be honest with
>>> your questions without fear of criticism or attack. I look forward to
>>> learning from all of you and to hopefully helping someone who is facing a
>>> roadblock on their journey with blindness. Let's discuss!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Chris
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Chris Nusbaum, President
>>> 
>>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>>> 
>>> Board Member, National Association of Blind Students
>>> 
>>> Phone: (443) 547-2409
>>> 
>>> Email: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> Twitter: @Chrisn98 and @nabslink
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
>>> expectations for blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
>>> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
>>> blindness is not what holds you bak.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 16:18:15 2017
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 10:18:15 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Burning Questions: An Interesting Topic for Discussion
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Alexandra,
There are many steps to the question you have asked. The key here is working up the ladder. If you don’t get an answer or a solution from the first person you ask, go to the next, etc.
The first question you need to ask yourself is: What is it that’s not accessible? Is it a PDF, a PowerPoint, a picture? The answer to this question will dictate how you approach the next step. I will use a PDF here, but similar steps can be taken for other materials in class, such as printed assignments or inaccessible online activities.
The second thing to note is that an instructor will likely not know what “accessible” means, especially in terms of document accessibility. So, let’s break this down. What is wrong? In the case of the hypothetical PDF, the file could be  an image, which is unreadable by a screen reader. So, the instructor could have scanned it from a hardcopy, or could have the original in a Word file somewhere, and just decided a PDF was better for some reason.
Next, either meet with or write to your instructor, explaining the difficulties you are having with the file. Explain what a screen reader is, that it cannot process images, and ask for a Word file of the same document. 
     If you are unsuccessful, or if your professor says they don’t have a Word file of this particular document, go to disability services. Most of the time, they will be able to convert he inaccessible file to something that will work with your screen reader.
I hope that helps you some.
Aleeha 
> On Feb 22, 2017, at 7:47 AM, Alexandra Alfonso via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all, My question is, what do you do if you don't get something in
> an accessible format at college?
> 
> On 2/22/17, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hey NABSters:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> As one of the co-chairs of our newly formed Outreach Committee, one of my
>> goals is to engage our list members in NABS as a whole and to fuel
>> conversations on the list which provoke thought and encourage us to think
>> more deeply about our attitudes toward blindness. In an effort to achieve
>> this goal, I will post a question from time to time which I hope will kick
>> off a lively and productive discussion among newly-blind students and
>> seasoned Federationists alike. This is the first post in that series.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> During a conversation I had yesterday with the director of the Louisiana
>> Center for the Blind, where I am currently receiving training, she
>> mentioned
>> that all of us have a few "burning questions" about our blindness, whether
>> or not we've had training or been exposed to Federation philosophy. Of
>> course, those of us who are in training don't learn all we need to know in
>> nine months at a center, nor do we stop learning and growing after our
>> graduation. Moreover, those who are newly-blind or who are just being
>> introduced to nonvisual skills may have many such questions, or may believe
>> that something can't be done without sight until they learn from other
>> blind
>> people the alternative techniques they can use to get the job done. So,
>> here's my question to each of you: What is your "burning question?" In
>> other
>> words, what are you most uncertain about doing as a blind person? This
>> could
>> be about anything, from education to travel to daily living-anything that's
>> been nagging at the back of your mind waiting to be let out. If all goes
>> well, your question can be answered by another blind student who has faced
>> the same challenges you are now facing and who can give you advice and
>> support. This networking and support is what this list and the Federation
>> are all about.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I hope this little Q&A session will serve as a helpful and fun way for us
>> to
>> learn from each other. As you post your questions, please be assured that
>> this is a judgment-free list, and that you can feel free to be honest with
>> your questions without fear of criticism or attack. I look forward to
>> learning from all of you and to hopefully helping someone who is facing a
>> roadblock on their journey with blindness. Let's discuss!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Chris Nusbaum, President
>> 
>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>> 
>> Board Member, National Association of Blind Students
>> 
>> Phone: (443) 547-2409
>> 
>> Email: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com
>> 
>> Twitter: @Chrisn98 and @nabslink
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
>> expectations for blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
>> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
>> blindness is not what holds you bak.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 16:20:54 2017
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 10:20:54 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Burning Questions: An Interesting Topic for Discussion
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Hey Roanna,
Sharing your location is something that you might do with only one person, via text, or you might allow an app to have access to your location, like Facebook. In most situations the location that is displayed, accept when you send it by text message, is a very general location, like the town you are in or the state. Generally, you don’t want to share your specific location with folks you don’t know, but it’s not a bad idea for certain apps, like weather apps, to have access to this information so that they can give you information based on where you are.
I hope this helps.
Aleeha 
> On Feb 22, 2017, at 8:51 AM, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris thanks for your message.  My burning question is about a setting on Apple devices.  Why is the share your location feature an option in the settings menu? I don't know why anyone would want to share their location, and I feel like it puts entire families in danger.
> 
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From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 16:24:27 2017
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 11:24:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Burning Questions: An Interesting Topic for Discussion
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Jessica:

One good online forum to learn about a specific area of town is City
Data. You can usually find a decent thread and then find links to
related topics about specific areas. Visually, one good way to tell if
you're in a good part of town is by the condition of the vehicles
parked along the streets. This may not help a blind person but could
help their companions if walking about in groups. At one point I would
have said that the degree of pedestrian friendliness and condition of
sidewalks could have been a good indicator, but I used to live in
Northeast DC near Catholic University where assaults and burglary were
becoming a little too common. The problem is that in some areas, there
could be a world of difference from one street to the next.

Alexandra:

If you don't get something in an accessible format in college, you may
try searching the title on BookShare.org, NLS, or approach the
publisher directly to see about obtaining the electronic format with
proof of purchase. If the material is a handout, either get the
professor to send you the computer file, or pair up with a classmate
to read the material to you.

My own burning question has to do with international travel. I've done
it, but I have always done it in the company of sighted people. I hear
of blind people traveling to all manner of destinations and admire
their ability to do so without the landmarks, customs, and general
accommodations of our American culture.

Also, closer to home, how does one go about traveling to destinations
off the beaten path? I can understand the conveniences of things like
Uber to get around town, but if you wanted to take off to some remote
cabin for the weekend, are we basically depending on sighted friends
to catch rides out to these detached locations?

Thanks in advance!

Joe


On 2/22/17, Sarah via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> This is a situation I face on a regular basis. I consider it my job to be
> familiar with the types of food that tend to have ingredients I am allergic
> to. I don't make a practice of reading labels obsessively--it is too
> time-consuming and stressful. Instead, I have educated myself about cooking
> and the types of ingredients that go into certain types of foods. I know,
> for instance, that baked goods often contain wheat and oats, both of which
> I
> am allergic to but produce different symptoms. I can eat wheat in limited
> amounts but cannot have oats. Sometimes I will take a very small test bite
> from someone else before filling my own plate. If I suspect too much that
> the food will have too many ingredients I should not have, I move on to
> another item. I also always carry "safe food" with me so that I can eat
> something even if it is not the same food that everyone else is eating.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
> Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 4:12 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Burning Questions: An Interesting Topic for
> Discussion
>
> Hi Chris and All,
> I see that there have not yet been any replies to this, so I will try to
> get
> us started:
> How would you deal with a party/open house setting if you are going alone
> without friends and you want to eat the food, but you have allergies? Often
> at these events people have brought things from all over and there's no
> one
> person  consistently there who knows about what is in everything.
> Vejas
>
>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 21:38, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hey NABSters:
>>
>>
>>
>> As one of the co-chairs of our newly formed Outreach Committee, one of
>> my goals is to engage our list members in NABS as a whole and to fuel
>> conversations on the list which provoke thought and encourage us to
>> think more deeply about our attitudes toward blindness. In an effort
>> to achieve this goal, I will post a question from time to time which I
>> hope will kick off a lively and productive discussion among
>> newly-blind students and seasoned Federationists alike. This is the first
> post in that series.
>>
>>
>>
>> During a conversation I had yesterday with the director of the
>> Louisiana Center for the Blind, where I am currently receiving
>> training, she mentioned that all of us have a few "burning questions"
>> about our blindness, whether or not we've had training or been exposed
>> to Federation philosophy. Of course, those of us who are in training
>> don't learn all we need to know in nine months at a center, nor do we
>> stop learning and growing after our graduation. Moreover, those who
>> are newly-blind or who are just being introduced to nonvisual skills
>> may have many such questions, or may believe that something can't be
>> done without sight until they learn from other blind people the
>> alternative techniques they can use to get the job done. So, here's my
>> question to each of you: What is your "burning question?" In other
>> words, what are you most uncertain about doing as a blind person? This
>> could be about anything, from education to travel to daily
>> living-anything that's been nagging at the back of your mind waiting
>> to be let out. If all goes well, your question can be answered by
>> another blind student who has faced the same challenges you are now
>> facing and who can give you advice and support. This networking and
> support is what this list and the Federation are all about.
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope this little Q&A session will serve as a helpful and fun way for
>> us to learn from each other. As you post your questions, please be
>> assured that this is a judgment-free list, and that you can feel free
>> to be honest with your questions without fear of criticism or attack.
>> I look forward to learning from all of you and to hopefully helping
>> someone who is facing a roadblock on their journey with blindness. Let's
> discuss!
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Nusbaum, President
>>
>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>>
>> Board Member, National Association of Blind Students
>>
>> Phone: (443) 547-2409
>>
>> Email: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com
>>
>> Twitter: @Chrisn98 and @nabslink
>>
>>
>>
>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
>> expectations for blind people, because low expectations create
>> obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life
>> you want; blindness is not what holds you bak.
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 16:45:20 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 11:45:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Burning Questions: An Interesting Topic for Discussion
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I do use speed, and at times, a brusk demeanor id I don't want to be approached.  
Justin

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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Burning Questions: An Interesting Topic for Discussion

Hi Jessica,
One of the things I do is to stay in areas where there are a lot of businesses if I don’t know the town well. As I live in an area for a given time, I find that I will learn through talking with others or by experience that a certain area is not so great. One thing I would suggest is to remain confident. If you are walking at a comfortable, confident pace, acting like you know where you are going, even if you might not, you will find that you are approached much less often and can get yourself out of a sticky situation if needed. 
I hope that helps some.
Aleeha 
> On Feb 22, 2017, at 6:06 AM, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> My question is "How do I know if I'm in a good part of a city or town? 
> 
> I've gotten many different answers from different people in the passed. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 4:12 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Chris and All,
>> I see that there have not yet been any replies to this, so I will try to get us started:
>> How would you deal with a party/open house setting if you are going alone without friends and you want to eat the food, but you have allergies? Often at these events people have brought things from all over and there's no  one person  consistently there who knows about what is in everything.
>> Vejas
>> 
>>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 21:38, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey NABSters:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> As one of the co-chairs of our newly formed Outreach Committee, one 
>>> of my goals is to engage our list members in NABS as a whole and to 
>>> fuel conversations on the list which provoke thought and encourage 
>>> us to think more deeply about our attitudes toward blindness. In an 
>>> effort to achieve this goal, I will post a question from time to 
>>> time which I hope will kick off a lively and productive discussion 
>>> among newly-blind students and seasoned Federationists alike. This is the first post in that series.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> During a conversation I had yesterday with the director of the 
>>> Louisiana Center for the Blind, where I am currently receiving 
>>> training, she mentioned that all of us have a few "burning 
>>> questions" about our blindness, whether or not we've had training or 
>>> been exposed to Federation philosophy. Of course, those of us who 
>>> are in training don't learn all we need to know in nine months at a 
>>> center, nor do we stop learning and growing after our graduation. 
>>> Moreover, those who are newly-blind or who are just being introduced 
>>> to nonvisual skills may have many such questions, or may believe 
>>> that something can't be done without sight until they learn from 
>>> other blind people the alternative techniques they can use to get 
>>> the job done. So, here's my question to each of you: What is your 
>>> "burning question?" In other words, what are you most uncertain 
>>> about doing as a blind person? This could be about anything, from 
>>> education to travel to daily living-anything that's been nagging at 
>>> the back of your mind waiting to be let out. If all goes well, your 
>>> question can be answered by another blind student who has faced the 
>>> same challenges you are now facing and who can give you advice and support. This networking and support is what this list and the Federation are all about.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I hope this little Q&A session will serve as a helpful and fun way 
>>> for us to learn from each other. As you post your questions, please 
>>> be assured that this is a judgment-free list, and that you can feel 
>>> free to be honest with your questions without fear of criticism or 
>>> attack. I look forward to learning from all of you and to hopefully 
>>> helping someone who is facing a roadblock on their journey with blindness. Let's discuss!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Chris
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Chris Nusbaum, President
>>> 
>>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>>> 
>>> Board Member, National Association of Blind Students
>>> 
>>> Phone: (443) 547-2409
>>> 
>>> Email: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> Twitter: @Chrisn98 and @nabslink
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the 
>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise 
>>> expectations for blind people, because low expectations create 
>>> obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life 
>>> you want; blindness is not what holds you bak.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 16:55:35 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 08:55:35 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] writing and working out math and Chemistry  problems
In-Reply-To: <12E3C983-EC75-48CA-A23D-90B26DBE0A19@yahoo.com>
References: <12E3C983-EC75-48CA-A23D-90B26DBE0A19@yahoo.com>
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Hi Ahbee,
I am taking math right now. I use my braillenote to take notes in class, but I use my Perkins Brailler for everything else. I take quizzes and tests in a separate room so noise isn't an issue. I also use the Brailler for working with my math tutor. 
That's too bad that your TVI doesn't know Braille. But you can use the print book as a reference for them. For my math tutor, I bring the print book as well as the volume I am working on, so that they can then follow along.
Vejas

> On Feb 22, 2017, at 05:03, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All, 
> 
> I'm wondering, how did you do math and science  in high school and now in college? I know that it's better on the brailler but it is noisy so it can be difficult for me or the others to hear the teacher. I would also wonder what I should do, because my TVI isn't so good at Braille. I'd have to tell her what the paper says. Any suggestions on completing math and chemistry assignments and doing the work the teacher's showing on the board as well? Thanks! 
> Ahbee  
> 
> 
> Sent from Ahbee's iPhone
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 17:05:24 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 09:05:24 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Burning Questions: An Interesting Topic for Discussion
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Hi Roanna,
You have the ability to choose who you share your location with. 
Parents often like to use this feature especially on children and teenagers who are still under their direct care, so that they can keep track of where they are.
Vejas

> On Feb 22, 2017, at 06:51, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris thanks for your message.  My burning question is about a setting on Apple devices.  Why is the share your location feature an option in the settings menu? I don't know why anyone would want to share their location, and I feel like it puts entire families in danger.
> 
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From ahbeeorton at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 22 17:07:22 2017
From: ahbeeorton at yahoo.com (Ahbee Orton)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 11:07:22 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] writing and working out math and Chemistry  problems
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	<63F0E04F-9030-454F-8DDD-C37E06F2F185@gmail.com>
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So, basically, you all take notes on an electronic device and do your actual homework and tests and quizzes on the brailler. I use a Focus 40, a bluetooth keyboard, and an iPad when I take notes. I've been trying to work out problems in math and Chemistry on these devices. It has gotten harder lately to do these problems. I've been making up a code so that my teachers can read what I'm doing. That's not best practice, which I know, but I've done that for a while now. I'm thinking about switching to the brailler. Any thoughts on this? Am I doing it fine?  

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 22, 2017, at 10:55 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ahbee,
> I am taking math right now. I use my braillenote to take notes in class, but I use my Perkins Brailler for everything else. I take quizzes and tests in a separate room so noise isn't an issue. I also use the Brailler for working with my math tutor. 
> That's too bad that your TVI doesn't know Braille. But you can use the print book as a reference for them. For my math tutor, I bring the print book as well as the volume I am working on, so that they can then follow along.
> Vejas
> 
>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 05:03, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All, 
>> 
>> I'm wondering, how did you do math and science  in high school and now in college? I know that it's better on the brailler but it is noisy so it can be difficult for me or the others to hear the teacher. I would also wonder what I should do, because my TVI isn't so good at Braille. I'd have to tell her what the paper says. Any suggestions on completing math and chemistry assignments and doing the work the teacher's showing on the board as well? Thanks! 
>> Ahbee  
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Ahbee's iPhone
>> 
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From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 18:00:07 2017
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 13:00:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] writing and working out math and Chemistry  problems
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	<63F0E04F-9030-454F-8DDD-C37E06F2F185@gmail.com>
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Hello all,
When I took math classes both in high school and later in college I decided to use the LateX programming language on my laptop. In high school I was using a PC, and later a Mac. LateX is a high level programming language (think of it as something relatively similar to HTML) that’s used to write scientific text. You can run LateX files through a compiler, which will give you a PDF or DIV file that anyone can easily read. In other words… You type your formulas in plain text after having learned how LateX works, and then you can print out professional looking documents that people can just read and grade if necessary. I know this sounds a bit complicated, but it was very efficient for me. After I learned the LateX language I could easily produce texts including complicated formulas for math, physics and chemistry classes. I didn’t need to worry about professors not being able to read my stuff, and instructors who were familiar with LateX could easily create documents for me. As a matter of fact when I was in college I took a class that required me to do exercises every week on a website which wasn’t accessible. It turns out those exercises were originally programmed using LateX, so my instructor was able to take them out of the website in LateX format for me. I also used JAWS scripts and later AppleScript to teach my screen reader basic LateX tags, and it would actually read formulas correctly for me. Finally another advantage of this method is that many science textbooks are actually edited using LateX, so sometimes I managed for publishers to send me LateX files with entire books, or at least parts of them.
For anyone who is comfortable with a little bit of programming I doubt there’s a more efficient way to do this. It would be nice if there was a completely accessible LateX editor that can interact with screen readers and automatically convert LateX language into Braille on a Braille display, and also do the opposite process by converting Braille text into LateX that could later be used by anyone. This is certainly possible, but as far as I know nobody has done it yet.
I hope this isn’t too confusing for everyone…!

IC
> On 22 Feb 2017, at 12:07, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> So, basically, you all take notes on an electronic device and do your actual homework and tests and quizzes on the brailler. I use a Focus 40, a bluetooth keyboard, and an iPad when I take notes. I've been trying to work out problems in math and Chemistry on these devices. It has gotten harder lately to do these problems. I've been making up a code so that my teachers can read what I'm doing. That's not best practice, which I know, but I've done that for a while now. I'm thinking about switching to the brailler. Any thoughts on this? Am I doing it fine?  
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 10:55 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ahbee,
>> I am taking math right now. I use my braillenote to take notes in class, but I use my Perkins Brailler for everything else. I take quizzes and tests in a separate room so noise isn't an issue. I also use the Brailler for working with my math tutor. 
>> That's too bad that your TVI doesn't know Braille. But you can use the print book as a reference for them. For my math tutor, I bring the print book as well as the volume I am working on, so that they can then follow along.
>> Vejas
>> 
>>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 05:03, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All, 
>>> 
>>> I'm wondering, how did you do math and science in high school and now in college? I know that it's better on the brailler but it is noisy so it can be difficult for me or the others to hear the teacher. I would also wonder what I should do, because my TVI isn't so good at Braille. I'd have to tell her what the paper says. Any suggestions on completing math and chemistry assignments and doing the work the teacher's showing on the board as well? Thanks! 
>>> Ahbee  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from Ahbee's iPhone
>>> 
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From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 18:54:11 2017
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 13:54:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Burning Questions: An Interesting Topic for Discussion
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How do you take pictures?
I went on a retreat this weekend with friends in college. It was nice and sunny so i was able to see the beautiful mountains and trees and lake. My friends were taking pictures. Even at Washington seminar i wanted to take pictures because Georgia didn't have many meetings so i walked around dc! 
  

Shikha. 

> On Feb 22, 2017, at 11:45 AM, Justin Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I do use speed, and at times, a brusk demeanor id I don't want to be approached.  
> Justin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha Dudley via NABS-L
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 11:07 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Burning Questions: An Interesting Topic for Discussion
> 
> Hi Jessica,
> One of the things I do is to stay in areas where there are a lot of businesses if I don’t know the town well. As I live in an area for a given time, I find that I will learn through talking with others or by experience that a certain area is not so great. One thing I would suggest is to remain confident. If you are walking at a comfortable, confident pace, acting like you know where you are going, even if you might not, you will find that you are approached much less often and can get yourself out of a sticky situation if needed. 
> I hope that helps some.
> Aleeha 
>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 6:06 AM, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> My question is "How do I know if I'm in a good part of a city or town? 
>> 
>> I've gotten many different answers from different people in the passed. 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 4:12 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Chris and All,
>>> I see that there have not yet been any replies to this, so I will try to get us started:
>>> How would you deal with a party/open house setting if you are going alone without friends and you want to eat the food, but you have allergies? Often at these events people have brought things from all over and there's no  one person  consistently there who knows about what is in everything.
>>> Vejas
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 21:38, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hey NABSters:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> As one of the co-chairs of our newly formed Outreach Committee, one 
>>>> of my goals is to engage our list members in NABS as a whole and to 
>>>> fuel conversations on the list which provoke thought and encourage 
>>>> us to think more deeply about our attitudes toward blindness. In an 
>>>> effort to achieve this goal, I will post a question from time to 
>>>> time which I hope will kick off a lively and productive discussion 
>>>> among newly-blind students and seasoned Federationists alike. This is the first post in that series.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> During a conversation I had yesterday with the director of the 
>>>> Louisiana Center for the Blind, where I am currently receiving 
>>>> training, she mentioned that all of us have a few "burning 
>>>> questions" about our blindness, whether or not we've had training or 
>>>> been exposed to Federation philosophy. Of course, those of us who 
>>>> are in training don't learn all we need to know in nine months at a 
>>>> center, nor do we stop learning and growing after our graduation. 
>>>> Moreover, those who are newly-blind or who are just being introduced 
>>>> to nonvisual skills may have many such questions, or may believe 
>>>> that something can't be done without sight until they learn from 
>>>> other blind people the alternative techniques they can use to get 
>>>> the job done. So, here's my question to each of you: What is your 
>>>> "burning question?" In other words, what are you most uncertain 
>>>> about doing as a blind person? This could be about anything, from 
>>>> education to travel to daily living-anything that's been nagging at 
>>>> the back of your mind waiting to be let out. If all goes well, your 
>>>> question can be answered by another blind student who has faced the 
>>>> same challenges you are now facing and who can give you advice and support. This networking and support is what this list and the Federation are all about.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I hope this little Q&A session will serve as a helpful and fun way 
>>>> for us to learn from each other. As you post your questions, please 
>>>> be assured that this is a judgment-free list, and that you can feel 
>>>> free to be honest with your questions without fear of criticism or 
>>>> attack. I look forward to learning from all of you and to hopefully 
>>>> helping someone who is facing a roadblock on their journey with blindness. Let's discuss!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Chris
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Chris Nusbaum, President
>>>> 
>>>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>>>> 
>>>> Board Member, National Association of Blind Students
>>>> 
>>>> Phone: (443) 547-2409
>>>> 
>>>> Email: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> Twitter: @Chrisn98 and @nabslink
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the 
>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise 
>>>> expectations for blind people, because low expectations create 
>>>> obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life 
>>>> you want; blindness is not what holds you bak.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NABS-L mailing list
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From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 19:01:43 2017
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 14:01:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Burning Questions: An Interesting Topic for Discussion
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At parties i go to the food and drink area with one of my sighted friends so they can help me. Also sometimes i also eat before the party before the party if they are just going to have snacks. 

Shikha. 

> On Feb 22, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Shikha <desai1shikha at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> How do you take pictures?
> I went on a retreat this weekend with friends in college. It was nice and sunny so i was able to see the beautiful mountains and trees and lake. My friends were taking pictures. Even at Washington seminar i wanted to take pictures because Georgia didn't have many meetings so i walked around dc! 
> 
> 
> Shikha. 
> 
>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 11:45 AM, Justin Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I do use speed, and at times, a brusk demeanor id I don't want to be approached.  
>> Justin
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha Dudley via NABS-L
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 11:07 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Burning Questions: An Interesting Topic for Discussion
>> 
>> Hi Jessica,
>> One of the things I do is to stay in areas where there are a lot of businesses if I don’t know the town well. As I live in an area for a given time, I find that I will learn through talking with others or by experience that a certain area is not so great. One thing I would suggest is to remain confident. If you are walking at a comfortable, confident pace, acting like you know where you are going, even if you might not, you will find that you are approached much less often and can get yourself out of a sticky situation if needed. 
>> I hope that helps some.
>> Aleeha 
>>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 6:06 AM, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> My question is "How do I know if I'm in a good part of a city or town? 
>>> 
>>> I've gotten many different answers from different people in the passed. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 4:12 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Chris and All,
>>>> I see that there have not yet been any replies to this, so I will try to get us started:
>>>> How would you deal with a party/open house setting if you are going alone without friends and you want to eat the food, but you have allergies? Often at these events people have brought things from all over and there's no  one person  consistently there who knows about what is in everything.
>>>> Vejas
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 21:38, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hey NABSters:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> As one of the co-chairs of our newly formed Outreach Committee, one 
>>>>> of my goals is to engage our list members in NABS as a whole and to 
>>>>> fuel conversations on the list which provoke thought and encourage 
>>>>> us to think more deeply about our attitudes toward blindness. In an 
>>>>> effort to achieve this goal, I will post a question from time to 
>>>>> time which I hope will kick off a lively and productive discussion 
>>>>> among newly-blind students and seasoned Federationists alike. This is the first post in that series.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> During a conversation I had yesterday with the director of the 
>>>>> Louisiana Center for the Blind, where I am currently receiving 
>>>>> training, she mentioned that all of us have a few "burning 
>>>>> questions" about our blindness, whether or not we've had training or 
>>>>> been exposed to Federation philosophy. Of course, those of us who 
>>>>> are in training don't learn all we need to know in nine months at a 
>>>>> center, nor do we stop learning and growing after our graduation. 
>>>>> Moreover, those who are newly-blind or who are just being introduced 
>>>>> to nonvisual skills may have many such questions, or may believe 
>>>>> that something can't be done without sight until they learn from 
>>>>> other blind people the alternative techniques they can use to get 
>>>>> the job done. So, here's my question to each of you: What is your 
>>>>> "burning question?" In other words, what are you most uncertain 
>>>>> about doing as a blind person? This could be about anything, from 
>>>>> education to travel to daily living-anything that's been nagging at 
>>>>> the back of your mind waiting to be let out. If all goes well, your 
>>>>> question can be answered by another blind student who has faced the 
>>>>> same challenges you are now facing and who can give you advice and support. This networking and support is what this list and the Federation are all about.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I hope this little Q&A session will serve as a helpful and fun way 
>>>>> for us to learn from each other. As you post your questions, please 
>>>>> be assured that this is a judgment-free list, and that you can feel 
>>>>> free to be honest with your questions without fear of criticism or 
>>>>> attack. I look forward to learning from all of you and to hopefully 
>>>>> helping someone who is facing a roadblock on their journey with blindness. Let's discuss!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chris
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chris Nusbaum, President
>>>>> 
>>>>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>>>>> 
>>>>> Board Member, National Association of Blind Students
>>>>> 
>>>>> Phone: (443) 547-2409
>>>>> 
>>>>> Email: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> Twitter: @Chrisn98 and @nabslink
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the 
>>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise 
>>>>> expectations for blind people, because low expectations create 
>>>>> obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life 
>>>>> you want; blindness is not what holds you bak.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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From alliefa1999 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 19:04:20 2017
From: alliefa1999 at gmail.com (Alexandra Alfonso)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 14:04:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] writing and working out math and Chemistry problems
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Hi,
I use my braillenote to take and to the actual problems and tests. The
brailler is to loud and heavy. Also, I use a software so when I put my
work on a flash drive, the teacher can read the math and science.

On 2/22/17, Ignasi Cambra via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello all,
> When I took math classes both in high school and later in college I decided
> to use the LateX programming language on my laptop. In high school I was
> using a PC, and later a Mac. LateX is a high level programming language
> (think of it as something relatively similar to HTML) that’s used to write
> scientific text. You can run LateX files through a compiler, which will give
> you a PDF or DIV file that anyone can easily read. In other words… You type
> your formulas in plain text after having learned how LateX works, and then
> you can print out professional looking documents that people can just read
> and grade if necessary. I know this sounds a bit complicated, but it was
> very efficient for me. After I learned the LateX language I could easily
> produce texts including complicated formulas for math, physics and chemistry
> classes. I didn’t need to worry about professors not being able to read my
> stuff, and instructors who were familiar with LateX could easily create
> documents for me. As a matter of fact when I was in college I took a class
> that required me to do exercises every week on a website which wasn’t
> accessible. It turns out those exercises were originally programmed using
> LateX, so my instructor was able to take them out of the website in LateX
> format for me. I also used JAWS scripts and later AppleScript to teach my
> screen reader basic LateX tags, and it would actually read formulas
> correctly for me. Finally another advantage of this method is that many
> science textbooks are actually edited using LateX, so sometimes I managed
> for publishers to send me LateX files with entire books, or at least parts
> of them.
> For anyone who is comfortable with a little bit of programming I doubt
> there’s a more efficient way to do this. It would be nice if there was a
> completely accessible LateX editor that can interact with screen readers and
> automatically convert LateX language into Braille on a Braille display, and
> also do the opposite process by converting Braille text into LateX that
> could later be used by anyone. This is certainly possible, but as far as I
> know nobody has done it yet.
> I hope this isn’t too confusing for everyone…!
>
> IC
>> On 22 Feb 2017, at 12:07, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> So, basically, you all take notes on an electronic device and do your
>> actual homework and tests and quizzes on the brailler. I use a Focus 40, a
>> bluetooth keyboard, and an iPad when I take notes. I've been trying to
>> work out problems in math and Chemistry on these devices. It has gotten
>> harder lately to do these problems. I've been making up a code so that my
>> teachers can read what I'm doing. That's not best practice, which I know,
>> but I've done that for a while now. I'm thinking about switching to the
>> brailler. Any thoughts on this? Am I doing it fine?
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 10:55 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Ahbee,
>>> I am taking math right now. I use my braillenote to take notes in class,
>>> but I use my Perkins Brailler for everything else. I take quizzes and
>>> tests in a separate room so noise isn't an issue. I also use the Brailler
>>> for working with my math tutor.
>>> That's too bad that your TVI doesn't know Braille. But you can use the
>>> print book as a reference for them. For my math tutor, I bring the print
>>> book as well as the volume I am working on, so that they can then follow
>>> along.
>>> Vejas
>>>
>>>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 05:03, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> I'm wondering, how did you do math and science in high school and now in
>>>> college? I know that it's better on the brailler but it is noisy so it
>>>> can be difficult for me or the others to hear the teacher. I would also
>>>> wonder what I should do, because my TVI isn't so good at Braille. I'd
>>>> have to tell her what the paper says. Any suggestions on completing math
>>>> and chemistry assignments and doing the work the teacher's showing on
>>>> the board as well? Thanks!
>>>> Ahbee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Ahbee's iPhone
>>>>
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 19:12:47 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 14:12:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Burning Questions: An Interesting Topic for Discussion
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Does' Tap Tap c, or so,me other food apps take pictures?
 Justin

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At parties i go to the food and drink area with one of my sighted friends so they can help me. Also sometimes i also eat before the party before the party if they are just going to have snacks. 

Shikha. 

> On Feb 22, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Shikha <desai1shikha at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> How do you take pictures?
> I went on a retreat this weekend with friends in college. It was nice and sunny so i was able to see the beautiful mountains and trees and lake. My friends were taking pictures. Even at Washington seminar i wanted to take pictures because Georgia didn't have many meetings so i walked around dc! 
> 
> 
> Shikha. 
> 
>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 11:45 AM, Justin Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I do use speed, and at times, a brusk demeanor id I don't want to be approached.  
>> Justin
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha 
>> Dudley via NABS-L
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 11:07 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Burning Questions: An Interesting Topic for 
>> Discussion
>> 
>> Hi Jessica,
>> One of the things I do is to stay in areas where there are a lot of businesses if I don’t know the town well. As I live in an area for a given time, I find that I will learn through talking with others or by experience that a certain area is not so great. One thing I would suggest is to remain confident. If you are walking at a comfortable, confident pace, acting like you know where you are going, even if you might not, you will find that you are approached much less often and can get yourself out of a sticky situation if needed. 
>> I hope that helps some.
>> Aleeha
>>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 6:06 AM, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> My question is "How do I know if I'm in a good part of a city or town? 
>>> 
>>> I've gotten many different answers from different people in the passed. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 4:12 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Chris and All,
>>>> I see that there have not yet been any replies to this, so I will try to get us started:
>>>> How would you deal with a party/open house setting if you are going alone without friends and you want to eat the food, but you have allergies? Often at these events people have brought things from all over and there's no  one person  consistently there who knows about what is in everything.
>>>> Vejas
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 21:38, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hey NABSters:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> As one of the co-chairs of our newly formed Outreach Committee, 
>>>>> one of my goals is to engage our list members in NABS as a whole 
>>>>> and to fuel conversations on the list which provoke thought and 
>>>>> encourage us to think more deeply about our attitudes toward 
>>>>> blindness. In an effort to achieve this goal, I will post a 
>>>>> question from time to time which I hope will kick off a lively and 
>>>>> productive discussion among newly-blind students and seasoned Federationists alike. This is the first post in that series.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> During a conversation I had yesterday with the director of the 
>>>>> Louisiana Center for the Blind, where I am currently receiving 
>>>>> training, she mentioned that all of us have a few "burning 
>>>>> questions" about our blindness, whether or not we've had training 
>>>>> or been exposed to Federation philosophy. Of course, those of us 
>>>>> who are in training don't learn all we need to know in nine months 
>>>>> at a center, nor do we stop learning and growing after our graduation.
>>>>> Moreover, those who are newly-blind or who are just being 
>>>>> introduced to nonvisual skills may have many such questions, or 
>>>>> may believe that something can't be done without sight until they 
>>>>> learn from other blind people the alternative techniques they can 
>>>>> use to get the job done. So, here's my question to each of you: 
>>>>> What is your "burning question?" In other words, what are you most 
>>>>> uncertain about doing as a blind person? This could be about 
>>>>> anything, from education to travel to daily living-anything that's 
>>>>> been nagging at the back of your mind waiting to be let out. If 
>>>>> all goes well, your question can be answered by another blind 
>>>>> student who has faced the same challenges you are now facing and who can give you advice and support. This networking and support is what this list and the Federation are all about.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I hope this little Q&A session will serve as a helpful and fun way 
>>>>> for us to learn from each other. As you post your questions, 
>>>>> please be assured that this is a judgment-free list, and that you 
>>>>> can feel free to be honest with your questions without fear of 
>>>>> criticism or attack. I look forward to learning from all of you 
>>>>> and to hopefully helping someone who is facing a roadblock on their journey with blindness. Let's discuss!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chris
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chris Nusbaum, President
>>>>> 
>>>>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>>>>> 
>>>>> Board Member, National Association of Blind Students
>>>>> 
>>>>> Phone: (443) 547-2409
>>>>> 
>>>>> Email: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> Twitter: @Chrisn98 and @nabslink
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not 
>>>>> the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we 
>>>>> raise expectations for blind people, because low expectations 
>>>>> create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live 
>>>>> the life you want; blindness is not what holds you bak.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 19:13:01 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 14:13:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Burning Questions: An Interesting Topic for Discussion
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Many times, I to eat before I go out to a party.
 Justin

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At parties i go to the food and drink area with one of my sighted friends so they can help me. Also sometimes i also eat before the party before the party if they are just going to have snacks. 

Shikha. 

> On Feb 22, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Shikha <desai1shikha at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> How do you take pictures?
> I went on a retreat this weekend with friends in college. It was nice and sunny so i was able to see the beautiful mountains and trees and lake. My friends were taking pictures. Even at Washington seminar i wanted to take pictures because Georgia didn't have many meetings so i walked around dc! 
> 
> 
> Shikha. 
> 
>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 11:45 AM, Justin Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I do use speed, and at times, a brusk demeanor id I don't want to be approached.  
>> Justin
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha 
>> Dudley via NABS-L
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 11:07 AM
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>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Burning Questions: An Interesting Topic for 
>> Discussion
>> 
>> Hi Jessica,
>> One of the things I do is to stay in areas where there are a lot of businesses if I don’t know the town well. As I live in an area for a given time, I find that I will learn through talking with others or by experience that a certain area is not so great. One thing I would suggest is to remain confident. If you are walking at a comfortable, confident pace, acting like you know where you are going, even if you might not, you will find that you are approached much less often and can get yourself out of a sticky situation if needed. 
>> I hope that helps some.
>> Aleeha
>>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 6:06 AM, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> My question is "How do I know if I'm in a good part of a city or town? 
>>> 
>>> I've gotten many different answers from different people in the passed. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 4:12 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Chris and All,
>>>> I see that there have not yet been any replies to this, so I will try to get us started:
>>>> How would you deal with a party/open house setting if you are going alone without friends and you want to eat the food, but you have allergies? Often at these events people have brought things from all over and there's no  one person  consistently there who knows about what is in everything.
>>>> Vejas
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 21:38, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hey NABSters:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> As one of the co-chairs of our newly formed Outreach Committee, 
>>>>> one of my goals is to engage our list members in NABS as a whole 
>>>>> and to fuel conversations on the list which provoke thought and 
>>>>> encourage us to think more deeply about our attitudes toward 
>>>>> blindness. In an effort to achieve this goal, I will post a 
>>>>> question from time to time which I hope will kick off a lively and 
>>>>> productive discussion among newly-blind students and seasoned Federationists alike. This is the first post in that series.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> During a conversation I had yesterday with the director of the 
>>>>> Louisiana Center for the Blind, where I am currently receiving 
>>>>> training, she mentioned that all of us have a few "burning 
>>>>> questions" about our blindness, whether or not we've had training 
>>>>> or been exposed to Federation philosophy. Of course, those of us 
>>>>> who are in training don't learn all we need to know in nine months 
>>>>> at a center, nor do we stop learning and growing after our graduation.
>>>>> Moreover, those who are newly-blind or who are just being 
>>>>> introduced to nonvisual skills may have many such questions, or 
>>>>> may believe that something can't be done without sight until they 
>>>>> learn from other blind people the alternative techniques they can 
>>>>> use to get the job done. So, here's my question to each of you: 
>>>>> What is your "burning question?" In other words, what are you most 
>>>>> uncertain about doing as a blind person? This could be about 
>>>>> anything, from education to travel to daily living-anything that's 
>>>>> been nagging at the back of your mind waiting to be let out. If 
>>>>> all goes well, your question can be answered by another blind 
>>>>> student who has faced the same challenges you are now facing and who can give you advice and support. This networking and support is what this list and the Federation are all about.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>>> and to hopefully helping someone who is facing a roadblock on their journey with blindness. Let's discuss!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chris
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 19:16:22 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 11:16:22 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] writing and working out math and Chemistry problems
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 Hi Ahbee,
I also forgot to mention that I use the braillenote for a calculator. 
The Brailler is a bit heavy to carry but I am able to do it because there is a very short distance from the dorm to Disability Services. However, if it was a longer distance, I would probably bring a small suitcase  with me that has the Brailler and paper in it. I really recommend the Brailler because it allows you to line numbers up and look back at your work easily.
Vejas

> On Feb 22, 2017, at 11:04, Alexandra Alfonso via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I use my braillenote to take and to the actual problems and tests. The
> brailler is to loud and heavy. Also, I use a software so when I put my
> work on a flash drive, the teacher can read the math and science.
> 
>> On 2/22/17, Ignasi Cambra via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> When I took math classes both in high school and later in college I decided
>> to use the LateX programming language on my laptop. In high school I was
>> using a PC, and later a Mac. LateX is a high level programming language
>> (think of it as something relatively similar to HTML) that’s used to write
>> scientific text. You can run LateX files through a compiler, which will give
>> you a PDF or DIV file that anyone can easily read. In other words… You type
>> your formulas in plain text after having learned how LateX works, and then
>> you can print out professional looking documents that people can just read
>> and grade if necessary. I know this sounds a bit complicated, but it was
>> very efficient for me. After I learned the LateX language I could easily
>> produce texts including complicated formulas for math, physics and chemistry
>> classes. I didn’t need to worry about professors not being able to read my
>> stuff, and instructors who were familiar with LateX could easily create
>> documents for me. As a matter of fact when I was in college I took a class
>> that required me to do exercises every week on a website which wasn’t
>> accessible. It turns out those exercises were originally programmed using
>> LateX, so my instructor was able to take them out of the website in LateX
>> format for me. I also used JAWS scripts and later AppleScript to teach my
>> screen reader basic LateX tags, and it would actually read formulas
>> correctly for me. Finally another advantage of this method is that many
>> science textbooks are actually edited using LateX, so sometimes I managed
>> for publishers to send me LateX files with entire books, or at least parts
>> of them.
>> For anyone who is comfortable with a little bit of programming I doubt
>> there’s a more efficient way to do this. It would be nice if there was a
>> completely accessible LateX editor that can interact with screen readers and
>> automatically convert LateX language into Braille on a Braille display, and
>> also do the opposite process by converting Braille text into LateX that
>> could later be used by anyone. This is certainly possible, but as far as I
>> know nobody has done it yet.
>> I hope this isn’t too confusing for everyone…!
>> 
>> IC
>>> On 22 Feb 2017, at 12:07, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So, basically, you all take notes on an electronic device and do your
>>> actual homework and tests and quizzes on the brailler. I use a Focus 40, a
>>> bluetooth keyboard, and an iPad when I take notes. I've been trying to
>>> work out problems in math and Chemistry on these devices. It has gotten
>>> harder lately to do these problems. I've been making up a code so that my
>>> teachers can read what I'm doing. That's not best practice, which I know,
>>> but I've done that for a while now. I'm thinking about switching to the
>>> brailler. Any thoughts on this? Am I doing it fine?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 10:55 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Ahbee,
>>>> I am taking math right now. I use my braillenote to take notes in class,
>>>> but I use my Perkins Brailler for everything else. I take quizzes and
>>>> tests in a separate room so noise isn't an issue. I also use the Brailler
>>>> for working with my math tutor.
>>>> That's too bad that your TVI doesn't know Braille. But you can use the
>>>> print book as a reference for them. For my math tutor, I bring the print
>>>> book as well as the volume I am working on, so that they can then follow
>>>> along.
>>>> Vejas
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 05:03, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm wondering, how did you do math and science in high school and now in
>>>>> college? I know that it's better on the brailler but it is noisy so it
>>>>> can be difficult for me or the others to hear the teacher. I would also
>>>>> wonder what I should do, because my TVI isn't so good at Braille. I'd
>>>>> have to tell her what the paper says. Any suggestions on completing math
>>>>> and chemistry assignments and doing the work the teacher's showing on
>>>>> the board as well? Thanks!
>>>>> Ahbee
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from Ahbee's iPhone
>>>>> 
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From lily2011a at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 21:24:38 2017
From: lily2011a at gmail.com (lily2011a at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 14:24:38 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] writing and working out math and Chemistry problems
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Hello,
I took general chemistry one last semester.  I would have one of my classmates take pictures with my iPhone of the examples that the professor wrote on the board. Sometimes my professor would print out the examples that he has worked out on the board.  I hired a reader that was proficient in chemistry and I would bring those examples to my reader. My reader would  then read the examples to me and help me work out the problems.  There's also a thing called math window. This is a board that has magnets with braille numbers and math symbols on them.  I believe it's $100.  Do you have an oVR counselor? If you do, oVR is supposed to help you pay the reader. My OVR counselor was not willing to purchase the math window for me.  So I created my own by purchasing magnetic braille letters and numbers online and using A small white board from an arts and craft store.  My reader help me create math symbols using puffy paint  on some plain magnets that I purchased at the store as well.
This was definitely less cumbersome than carrying a   Brailler around. I am not discouraging you from using the Brailer but this is just another option.  Usually there are graduate students or even undergraduate students looking for work in all the different departments. Perhaps, you could email the chair of the chemistry department and ask if he or she knows of any student looking for work. That's one way you could find a reader with knowledge of chemistry.  Same thing for all of your math classes.

If you have any other questions, feel free to email me off list.
Good luck!
Liliya 
 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 22, 2017, at 12:16 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ahbee,
> I also forgot to mention that I use the braillenote for a calculator. 
> The Brailler is a bit heavy to carry but I am able to do it because there is a very short distance from the dorm to Disability Services. However, if it was a longer distance, I would probably bring a small suitcase  with me that has the Brailler and paper in it. I really recommend the Brailler because it allows you to line numbers up and look back at your work easily.
> Vejas
> 
>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 11:04, Alexandra Alfonso via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I use my braillenote to take and to the actual problems and tests. The
>> brailler is to loud and heavy. Also, I use a software so when I put my
>> work on a flash drive, the teacher can read the math and science.
>> 
>>> On 2/22/17, Ignasi Cambra via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hello all,
>>> When I took math classes both in high school and later in college I decided
>>> to use the LateX programming language on my laptop. In high school I was
>>> using a PC, and later a Mac. LateX is a high level programming language
>>> (think of it as something relatively similar to HTML) that’s used to write
>>> scientific text. You can run LateX files through a compiler, which will give
>>> you a PDF or DIV file that anyone can easily read. In other words… You type
>>> your formulas in plain text after having learned how LateX works, and then
>>> you can print out professional looking documents that people can just read
>>> and grade if necessary. I know this sounds a bit complicated, but it was
>>> very efficient for me. After I learned the LateX language I could easily
>>> produce texts including complicated formulas for math, physics and chemistry
>>> classes. I didn’t need to worry about professors not being able to read my
>>> stuff, and instructors who were familiar with LateX could easily create
>>> documents for me. As a matter of fact when I was in college I took a class
>>> that required me to do exercises every week on a website which wasn’t
>>> accessible. It turns out those exercises were originally programmed using
>>> LateX, so my instructor was able to take them out of the website in LateX
>>> format for me. I also used JAWS scripts and later AppleScript to teach my
>>> screen reader basic LateX tags, and it would actually read formulas
>>> correctly for me. Finally another advantage of this method is that many
>>> science textbooks are actually edited using LateX, so sometimes I managed
>>> for publishers to send me LateX files with entire books, or at least parts
>>> of them.
>>> For anyone who is comfortable with a little bit of programming I doubt
>>> there’s a more efficient way to do this. It would be nice if there was a
>>> completely accessible LateX editor that can interact with screen readers and
>>> automatically convert LateX language into Braille on a Braille display, and
>>> also do the opposite process by converting Braille text into LateX that
>>> could later be used by anyone. This is certainly possible, but as far as I
>>> know nobody has done it yet.
>>> I hope this isn’t too confusing for everyone…!
>>> 
>>> IC
>>>> On 22 Feb 2017, at 12:07, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> So, basically, you all take notes on an electronic device and do your
>>>> actual homework and tests and quizzes on the brailler. I use a Focus 40, a
>>>> bluetooth keyboard, and an iPad when I take notes. I've been trying to
>>>> work out problems in math and Chemistry on these devices. It has gotten
>>>> harder lately to do these problems. I've been making up a code so that my
>>>> teachers can read what I'm doing. That's not best practice, which I know,
>>>> but I've done that for a while now. I'm thinking about switching to the
>>>> brailler. Any thoughts on this? Am I doing it fine?
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 10:55 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Ahbee,
>>>>> I am taking math right now. I use my braillenote to take notes in class,
>>>>> but I use my Perkins Brailler for everything else. I take quizzes and
>>>>> tests in a separate room so noise isn't an issue. I also use the Brailler
>>>>> for working with my math tutor.
>>>>> That's too bad that your TVI doesn't know Braille. But you can use the
>>>>> print book as a reference for them. For my math tutor, I bring the print
>>>>> book as well as the volume I am working on, so that they can then follow
>>>>> along.
>>>>> Vejas
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 05:03, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm wondering, how did you do math and science in high school and now in
>>>>>> college? I know that it's better on the brailler but it is noisy so it
>>>>>> can be difficult for me or the others to hear the teacher. I would also
>>>>>> wonder what I should do, because my TVI isn't so good at Braille. I'd
>>>>>> have to tell her what the paper says. Any suggestions on completing math
>>>>>> and chemistry assignments and doing the work the teacher's showing on
>>>>>> the board as well? Thanks!
>>>>>> Ahbee
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from Ahbee's iPhone
>>>>>> 
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From ahbeeorton at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 22 22:13:22 2017
From: ahbeeorton at yahoo.com (Ahbee Orton)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 16:13:22 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Stoichiometry and ICE Method
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Hey Folks, 

I know I've been posting lately more than once. I'm specifically thinking about stoichiometry and the ICE method. They take up a lot of space and some processing of where the different parts go. I can't do the ICE method on the Focus or a notetaker. I'm using the math windows right at the moment. Is this the route I should go to complete a test and homework using the ICE Method and/or stoichiometric problems? Sorry for not being any more specific. Thanks for the help! 

Ahbee 


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From carlymih at comcast.net  Wed Feb 22 23:29:58 2017
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 15:29:58 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Burning Questions: An Interesting Topic for Discussion
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There is nothing wrong, as I am seeing it, of 
procuring sighted help at a buffet or dinner 
party. In fact, I think it's what the blind person ought to do.
Car 11:13 AM 2/22/2017, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote:
>Many times, I to eat before I go out to a party. 
>Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L 
>[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>Shikha via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 
>2017 2:02 PM To: National Association of Blind 
>Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Cc: 
>Shikha <desai1shikha at gmail.com> Subject: Re: 
>[nabs-l] Burning Questions: An Interesting Topic 
>for Discussion At parties i go to the food and 
>drink area with one of my sighted friends so 
>they can help me. Also sometimes i also eat 
>before the party before the party if they are 
>just going to have snacks. Shikha. > On Feb 22, 
>2017, at 1:54 PM, Shikha 
><desai1shikha at gmail.com> wrote: > > How do you 
>take pictures? > I went on a retreat this 
>weekend with friends in college. It was nice and 
>sunny so i was able to see the beautiful 
>mountains and trees and lake. My friends were 
>taking pictures. Even at Washington seminar i 
>wanted to take pictures because Georgia didn't 
>have many meetings so i walked around dc! > > > 
>Shikha. > >> On Feb 22, 2017, at 11:45 AM, 
>Justin Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
>wrote: >> >> I do use speed, and at times, a 
>brusk demeanor id I don't want to be 
>approached.  >> Justin >> >> -----Original 
>Message----- >> From: NABS-L 
>[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>Aleeha >> Dudley via NABS-L >> Sent: Wednesday, 
>February 22, 2017 11:07 AM >> To: National 
>Association of Blind Students mailing list >> 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >> Cc: Aleeha Dudley 
><blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: 
>[nabs-l] Burning Questions: An Interesting Topic 
>for >> Discussion >> >> Hi Jessica, >> One of 
>the things I do is to stay in areas where there 
>are a lot of businesses if I don’t know the 
>town well. As I live in an area for a given 
>time, I find that I will learn through talking 
>with others or by experience that a certain area 
>is not so great. One thing I would suggest is to 
>remain confident. If you are walking at a 
>comfortable, confident pace, acting like you 
>know where you are going, even if you might not, 
>you will find that you are approached much less 
>often and can get yourself out of a sticky 
>situation if needed. >> I hope that helps 
>some. >> Aleeha >>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 6:06 AM, 
>Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
>wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> My question is "How do I 
>know if I'm in a good part of a city or 
>town? >>> >>> I've gotten many different answers 
>from different people in the passed. >>> >>> >>> 
>Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 
>4:12 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Chris 
>and All, >>>> I see that there have not yet been 
>any replies to this, so I will try to get us 
>started: >>>> How would you deal with a 
>party/open house setting if you are going alone 
>without friends and you want to eat the food, 
>but you have allergies? Often at these events 
>people have brought things from all over and 
>there's no  one person  consistently there who 
>knows about what is in everything. >>>> 
>Vejas >>>> >>>>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 21:38, 
>Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
>wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hey 
>NABSters: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As one of the 
>co-chairs of our newly formed Outreach 
>Committee, >>>>> one of my goals is to engage 
>our list members in NABS as a whole >>>>> and to 
>fuel conversations on the list which provoke 
>thought and >>>>> encourage us to think more 
>deeply about our attitudes toward >>>>> 
>blindness. In an effort to achieve this goal, I 
>will post a >>>>> question from time to time 
>which I hope will kick off a lively and >>>>> 
>productive discussion among newly-blind students 
>and seasoned Federationists alike. This is the 
>first post in that 
>series. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> During a 
>conversation I had yesterday with the director 
>of the >>>>> Louisiana Center for the Blind, 
>where I am currently receiving >>>>> training, 
>she mentioned that all of us have a few 
>"burning >>>>> questions" about our blindness, 
>whether or not we've had training >>>>> or been 
>exposed to Federation philosophy. Of course, 
>those of us >>>>> who are in training don't 
>learn all we need to know in nine months >>>>> 
>at a center, nor do we stop learning and growing 
>after our graduation. >>>>> Moreover, those who 
>are newly-blind or who are just being >>>>> 
>introduced to nonvisual skills may have many 
>such questions, or >>>>> may believe that 
>something can't be done without sight until 
>they >>>>> learn from other blind people the 
>alternative techniques they can >>>>> use to get 
>the job done. So, here's my question to each of 
>you: >>>>> What is your "burning question?" In 
>other words, what are you most >>>>> uncertain 
>about doing as a blind person? This could be 
>about >>>>> anything, from education to travel 
>to daily living-anything that's >>>>> been 
>nagging at the back of your mind waiting to be 
>let out. If >>>>> all goes well, your question 
>can be answered by another blind >>>>> student 
>who has faced the same challenges you are now 
>facing and who can give you advice and support. 
>This networking and support is what this list 
>and the Federation are all 
>about. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I hope this 
>little Q&A session will serve as a helpful and 
>fun way >>>>> for us to learn from each other. 
>As you post your questions, >>>>> please be 
>assured that this is a judgment-free list, and 
>that you >>>>> can feel free to be honest with 
>your questions without fear of >>>>> criticism 
>or attack. I look forward to learning from all 
>of you >>>>> and to hopefully helping someone 
>who is facing a roadblock on their journey with 
>blindness. Let's 
>discuss! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 
>Best, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 
>Chris >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Chris Nusbaum, 
>President >>>>> >>>>> Maryland Association of 
>Blind Students >>>>> >>>>> Board Member, 
>National Association of Blind 
>Students >>>>> >>>>> Phone: (443) 
>547-2409 >>>>> >>>>> Email: 
>cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> Twitter: 
>@Chrisn98 and @nabslink >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 
>The National Federation of the Blind knows that 
>blindness is not >>>>> the characteristic that 
>defines you or your future. Every day we >>>>> 
>raise expectations for blind people, because low 
>expectations >>>>> create obstacles between 
>blind people and our dreams. You can live >>>>> 
>the life you want; blindness is not what holds 
>you bak. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Feb 23 00:12:53 2017
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 19:12:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question for Anyone Who Has Studied Abroad
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Hi Vejas,

I doubt rehab would cover anything. Still, persue it if you want to. I'm 
sure it would be a fine experience.

I've not done it, but maybe if I go to grad school I might do it.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 5:32 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas
Subject: [nabs-l] Question for Anyone Who Has Studied Abroad

Hii,
I am considering studying abroad sometime later during my college career. I 
am just curious as to how much, if any, support you received from Vocational 
Rehab. Did they cover any expenses such as travel, accommodation or the 
costs of any classes? If so, was it necessary to write a letter of 
justification?
Thanks,
Vejas
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Feb 23 00:18:13 2017
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 19:18:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Hebrew course open for enrollment
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sounds like a good opportunity. If I were into hebrew, I'd try it.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Sarah via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 9:44 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com
Subject: [nabs-l] Hebrew course open for enrollment

If you have ever wanted to learn Biblical Hebrew but thought it would be
inaccessible, please consider our course at Anderson University. This is an
intensive online summer course that is fully accessible and transferrable
back to your own university. Visit www.anderson.edu
<http://www.anderson.edu>  for more information.





Sarah Blake LaRose

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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Feb 23 00:22:31 2017
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 19:22:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Any Existing Accessibility Guidelines?
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Elizabeth,
There are web accessibility guidelines and they are not inforcible.
I'll see if I can find them for you.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 10:41 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke
Subject: [nabs-l] Any Existing Accessibility Guidelines?

Hello All,

I understand the National Federation of the Blind is currently advocating 
for legislation to create national guidelines for creating accessible 
instructional course materials. However, I am curious, are there any current 
guidelines regarding accessing visual information such as course materials, 
online platform systems, and video monitors that only display visual 
content? I am not a very technical person, so I am not quite sure how to 
make information technology accessible even though I know it is possible and 
required to provide equal access to students with disabilities. Any 
information you could provide in regards to this matter would be greatly 
appreciated.

Thanks,
Elizabeth
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Feb 23 00:24:46 2017
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 19:24:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Reliable and Accessible Flight Booking App or Website
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I've heard of people doing this. I suppose that all airline apps let you 
display the bording pass on your phone.

Is jet blue app accessible?

Thanks.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Sami Osborne via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 11:04 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Sami Osborne
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reliable and Accessible Flight Booking App or Website

Hi all,

I know this is not really the purpose of this thread, but now
we're talking airline apps, I just wanted to let you guys know
that you can't just book/keep track of flights, but you can also
use them to have your boarding pass right on your smart phone.  I
used that feature this summer when I flew out to California,
(using the United Airlines app,) and in my opinion it is very
useful.  It reduces the line at the check-in counter at the
airport, not significantly, but still does a little bit since you
don't need an extra copy of your boarding pass, and may or may
not want to check your bags.  Also, the advantage of this is that
you know in advance all the details of your flight, such as which
departure gate/at what time it's leaving from, what seat you've
been assigned, and the time that group starts boarding.  Note
that you can only do this at least twenty-four hours before your
flight departs.  Also, now that I mention this, in my opinion,
this is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay easier than having
the airport employee dictating you all this info from a paper
boarding pass, because airports can be
extreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeemely loud and crowded, so it's already
hard to hear them in general, (especially me, who has a hearing
loss in addition to my blindness).  (Not trying to knock anyone
down who uses paper boarding passes, just telling my opinion).
I found the United app to be extremely accessible with
VoiceOver, and have run into absolutely no accessibility barriers
when checking into my flights.  I'll be going back to California
this summer, and will most definitely be using this method.

I hope this helps.

Thanks and have a nice day,

Sami

----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Aikens via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 09:22:36 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reliable and Accessible Flight Booking App
or Website

I really like the Southwest app for booking flights and managing
flights.  I
typically use it instead of their website.  I like Fly Delta for
keeping
track of my flights but prefer to book on delta.com.  In the app
I have a
hard time comparing the cost of my various flight options.
Travelocity is
also an accessible website.  I have not used their app.

Best,
Greg

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 9:54 PM, Justin Young via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
wrote:

I think the Southwest app is very user friendly.  Jet Blue & Fly
Delta
are great apps to use as well.

Glad to hear you found an option that worked.

Justin

On 2/20/17, Kathryn Webster, NABS President via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
Hey Miso,

Thanks for fueling such an engaging conversation.  I am a huge
fan of the
Southwest application on iPhones.  There are some random buttons
that are
not
labeled, but it is definitely usable.  I have great luck with
Fly Delta,
Travelocity, Expedia, and Southwest.

Good luck,
Kathryn

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Miso Kwak
via
NABS-L
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 2:27 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Miso Kwak <misokwak12 at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reliable and Accessible Flight Booking App
or
Website

I apologize this reply is so late but want to say thank you to
everyone
responded.
I ended up using Google Flight to look up the information I
needed and
getting sighted assistance when I was actually booking the
flight as
Google
Flight took me to another web site.
I will have to check out Expedia for future usage.  I have been
feeling
hesitant to create an account if I was not going to use it
because it's
inaccessible.
On another note I have a membership with Southwest but find the
IOS app a
bit clumsy to use when it comes to date selection, although I
think the
web
site is pretty good with JAWS.

Has anyone used Southwest app smoothly?

Best,
Miso

On 2/1/17, Ignasi Cambra via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
Hello all,
I am a Mac user and find the Expedia site to be very accessible.
The
Expedia and Kayak iPhone apps are also great, and I remember
using the
Skyscanner app some time ago and getting things done quite
easily.  The
problem with search engines like Kayak and Skyscanner is that
they
usually send you to other websites to actually purchase tickets,
and
accessibility on those third-party websites isn't always great.
Generally speaking I find Expedia to offer the best experience
in
terms of accessibility both on my desktop and on my phone, and
their
prices are usually just slightly higher than the cheapest
options
available from lesser known travel agents that I see on Kayak.
The
process to buy flight+hotel packages on the Expedia website is
also
the most accessible I can think of.  Things are usually labeled
properly with headings, and forms use standard controls that
screen
readers should recognise easily.
Sorry for writing so much! Clearly I spend way too much time
flying.
Best,

IC
On 31 Jan 2017, at 04:33, Vanna Song via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
wrote:

Hmmm, last time I ever booked anything was on the Mac side of
things.
Sites like expedia and others worked fine with Voice Over.  I
don't
know about the WINDOWS side of things for I have not used those
sites
with NVDA or JAWS.

On 1/30/17, Mason, Amy via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
I'm looking at a few things dealing with travel sites, and I'd
love
to hear a bit more about the good and bad you are finding on
specific sites where accessibility is concerned.  If any of you
have
the chance, I'd appreciate a quick note off list.  I'd like to
know
which sites you are having trouble with, and what's acting as
biggest barriers.  I'd also love to know what you find is
working
well for you and why.

Thanks,.

Amy Mason
amason at nfb.org
(410) 659-9314 Ext.  2424
National Federation of the Blind

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Zachary
N.
Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reliable and Accessible Flight Booking App
or
Website

I've been using http://google.com/flights, it takes a little bit
to
get used to and you have to know the tricks to work with that
website- Like using taba bunch, and the arrow keys, but I found
it
very accessible to create an itinerary and then book directly
with
the airline.  Keep in mind that a lot of the Google flights page
I
just text elements that when clicked on, they activate whatever
you
are doing.  The page that actually displays the flights gives a
link
to each flight that is very accessible, and includes the price
including taxes and fees.  Sam airlines, like Southwest, do not
interface with this light section.  If you want to do a
Southwest
flight search, you can call 888-792-8747, then when it asks what
flight number you're calling about, say agent and you will be
transferred immediately.  They can help you book flights over
the
phone at no charge.

Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver

On Jan 29, 2017, at 10:51, Katie Wang via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
wrote:

Hi Miso,

The Travelocity website is reasonably accessible, though the
flight
search process can be a little cumbersome to navigate with JAWS.
If
others know of more user-friendly travel booking sites I would
love
to hear about them as well.

Katie

On 1/29/17, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
Hi all,
I am writing to see if anyone on the list has a recommendation
for
accessible and reliable flight finding app or website.
I've played around with Expedia, Kayak, and Google Flight and
few
direct aireline apps like Southwest and Delta.  I think some of
them are decently accessible but  I am not greatly satisfied
with
any one of them.
I have an iPhone and JAWS 16 fyi.
I am trying to compare flights in terms of its times and price.
Thanks,
Miso Kwak

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From misokwak12 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 23 01:41:19 2017
From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 17:41:19 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Question for Anyone Who Has Studied Abroad
In-Reply-To: <797ABBB2D6A34E7A86FC7B623DB73B84@OwnerPC>
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I also doubt DOR would fund studying abroad especially in California
knowing what I know...
Still it does not hurt to try.
Also you may want to check out www.miusa.org for more tips on studying
abroad as a student with disability.
Best,
Miso

On 2/22/17, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Vejas,
>
> I doubt rehab would cover anything. Still, persue it if you want to. I'm
> sure it would be a fine experience.
>
> I've not done it, but maybe if I go to grad school I might do it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 5:32 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas
> Subject: [nabs-l] Question for Anyone Who Has Studied Abroad
>
> Hii,
> I am considering studying abroad sometime later during my college career. I
>
> am just curious as to how much, if any, support you received from Vocational
>
> Rehab. Did they cover any expenses such as travel, accommodation or the
> costs of any classes? If so, was it necessary to write a letter of
> justification?
> Thanks,
> Vejas
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From knownoflove at gmail.com  Thu Feb 23 02:08:50 2017
From: knownoflove at gmail.com (Miranda)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 21:08:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question for Anyone Who Has Studied Abroad
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Hi,
When I was considering doing my internship abroad, my vocational rehabilitation counselor was in full support of this and  was willing to financially support me if at all possible. I did approach my counselor with justification in hand, as I was going to teach English for my internship, and my long-term career goal is to welcome internationals to the United States. Therefore, I justified this overseas internship with the fact that it would be best for me to have a cross cultural experience to gain firsthannd knowledge of entering a new culture, as it would allow me to be more empathetic towards those that I welcome. I also provided justification by mentioning the fact that international experience is highly looked upon in a resume by prospective employers. International experience displays one's ability to interact cross culturally, and this is of great importance in our ever-increasing age of globalization. My plans have since changed, and I am finishing my internship locally, but it is definitely something worth pursuing. Also, you might want to check out various scholarships that are specific to this, and there is also an organization called abroad with disabilities that would be a very good resource for you. Make sure that you do your own outside research through organizations such as mobility international USA which was mentioned below, and abroad with disabilities, and also by finding your own other funding sources before you approach your vocational rehabilitation agency. This will show that you are proactive. Also, try to find out maybe a list of programs that you would like to apply for and the cost associated with them, including any additional cost associated with maybe having an assistant for travel inside your host country. Having this information when approaching your vocational rehabilitation counselor will also display your proactive nature and allow him or her to use that information in making a decision. Of course, he or she may need to take that information to a higher authority within the agency for approval.
I hope this helps, and have a wonderful experience abroad whenever you are able to travel!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 22, 2017, at 7:12 PM, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Vejas,
> 
> I doubt rehab would cover anything. Still, persue it if you want to. I'm sure it would be a fine experience.
> 
> I've not done it, but maybe if I go to grad school I might do it.
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 5:32 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas
> Subject: [nabs-l] Question for Anyone Who Has Studied Abroad
> 
> Hii,
> I am considering studying abroad sometime later during my college career. I am just curious as to how much, if any, support you received from Vocational Rehab. Did they cover any expenses such as travel, accommodation or the costs of any classes? If so, was it necessary to write a letter of justification?
> Thanks,
> Vejas
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Feb 23 02:37:08 2017
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 21:37:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Burning Questions: An Interesting Topic for Discussion
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Hello,
Good discussion.
My question would be:
How do you keep safe while traveling? Sometimes I think we might be more 
vulnerable being blind.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jessica Dail via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:06 AM
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Cc: Jessica Dail
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Burning Questions: An Interesting Topic for Discussion

Hi,
My question is "How do I know if I'm in a good part of a city or town?

I've gotten many different answers from different people in the passed.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 22, 2017, at 4:12 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Chris and All,
> I see that there have not yet been any replies to this, so I will try to 
> get us started:
> How would you deal with a party/open house setting if you are going alone 
> without friends and you want to eat the food, but you have allergies? 
> Often at these events people have brought things from all over and there's 
> no  one person  consistently there who knows about what is in everything.
> Vejas
>
>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 21:38, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hey NABSters:
>>
>>
>>
>> As one of the co-chairs of our newly formed Outreach Committee, one of my
>> goals is to engage our list members in NABS as a whole and to fuel
>> conversations on the list which provoke thought and encourage us to think
>> more deeply about our attitudes toward blindness. In an effort to achieve
>> this goal, I will post a question from time to time which I hope will 
>> kick
>> off a lively and productive discussion among newly-blind students and
>> seasoned Federationists alike. This is the first post in that series.
>>
>>
>>
>> During a conversation I had yesterday with the director of the Louisiana
>> Center for the Blind, where I am currently receiving training, she 
>> mentioned
>> that all of us have a few "burning questions" about our blindness, 
>> whether
>> or not we've had training or been exposed to Federation philosophy. Of
>> course, those of us who are in training don't learn all we need to know 
>> in
>> nine months at a center, nor do we stop learning and growing after our
>> graduation. Moreover, those who are newly-blind or who are just being
>> introduced to nonvisual skills may have many such questions, or may 
>> believe
>> that something can't be done without sight until they learn from other 
>> blind
>> people the alternative techniques they can use to get the job done. So,
>> here's my question to each of you: What is your "burning question?" In 
>> other
>> words, what are you most uncertain about doing as a blind person? This 
>> could
>> be about anything, from education to travel to daily living-anything 
>> that's
>> been nagging at the back of your mind waiting to be let out. If all goes
>> well, your question can be answered by another blind student who has 
>> faced
>> the same challenges you are now facing and who can give you advice and
>> support. This networking and support is what this list and the Federation
>> are all about.
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope this little Q&A session will serve as a helpful and fun way for us 
>> to
>> learn from each other. As you post your questions, please be assured that
>> this is a judgment-free list, and that you can feel free to be honest 
>> with
>> your questions without fear of criticism or attack. I look forward to
>> learning from all of you and to hopefully helping someone who is facing a
>> roadblock on their journey with blindness. Let's discuss!
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Nusbaum, President
>>
>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>>
>> Board Member, National Association of Blind Students
>>
>> Phone: (443) 547-2409
>>
>> Email: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com
>>
>> Twitter: @Chrisn98 and @nabslink
>>
>>
>>
>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
>> expectations for blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
>> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
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>>
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 23 03:09:26 2017
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 20:09:26 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Stoichiometry and ICE Method
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Ahbee,

Is Math window working for you?  Is it efficient enough for you?  I think it is an excellent tool for the types of problems you're doing.  And certainly could be used for tests, and is something I used for homework.  The question is how well does it work for you? If you can use it efficiently then you may choose to use it on a test.  
Personally, I found readers/scribes to be very useful for tests on material like chemistry.  (Of course it has to be a good reader, preferably someone you've worked with before, and has to be someone who is familiar with chemistry material.) And if you use a reader in addition to your math window, this may be the most efficient. 
Again, it all comes down to what works best for you.  
Let me know if you need any more clarification on this.

Good luck.

Anna E Givens

> On Feb 22, 2017, at 3:13 PM, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey Folks, 
> 
> I know I've been posting lately more than once. I'm specifically thinking about stoichiometry and the ICE method. They take up a lot of space and some processing of where the different parts go. I can't do the ICE method on the Focus or a notetaker. I'm using the math windows right at the moment. Is this the route I should go to complete a test and homework using the ICE Method and/or stoichiometric problems? Sorry for not being any more specific. Thanks for the help! 
> 
> Ahbee 
> 
> 
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From ligne14 at verizon.net  Thu Feb 23 04:45:41 2017
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 00:45:41 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] BookShare question
Message-ID: <0OLT008WH98EH1A0@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi all,

About a month ago I received an email from BookShare telling me 
that I needed to renew my account, which I did the same day I 
received it.  In that email, they said that the expiration date 
for my account would be today, (Wednesday, Feb.  22nd,) and I 
still have not heard back from them on their approval of my 
request for renewal.  I updated my information to signify that 
I'm a freshman in college, and gave them the name/address.
In your experience, do they tell you the final results of your 
renewal request on or after the expiration date? I may remember 
incorrectly, but I think when I renewed my account last year, 
they emailed me to tell me that my request had been approved on 
the intended expiration date (although, as I said, I could be 
wrong about this).  Also, can I still use my BookShare account? 
If they haven't got back to me, would my request still be 
pending, or would my account already have been expired?

I hope to hear from all you guys soon.

Thanks and have a good night,

Sami


From rob.parso3389 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 23 05:01:08 2017
From: rob.parso3389 at gmail.com (Robert Parsons)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 00:01:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] BookShare question
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Hi There 

I had the same concerns last month, but apparently they do not tell you. Log into your account online and check your account info, if it still is updated with the correct info then you are fine... 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 22, 2017, at 11:45 PM, Sami Osborne via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> About a month ago I received an email from BookShare telling me that I needed to renew my account, which I did the same day I received it.  In that email, they said that the expiration date for my account would be today, (Wednesday, Feb.  22nd,) and I still have not heard back from them on their approval of my request for renewal.  I updated my information to signify that I'm a freshman in college, and gave them the name/address.
> In your experience, do they tell you the final results of your renewal request on or after the expiration date? I may remember incorrectly, but I think when I renewed my account last year, they emailed me to tell me that my request had been approved on the intended expiration date (although, as I said, I could be wrong about this).  Also, can I still use my BookShare account? If they haven't got back to me, would my request still be pending, or would my account already have been expired?
> 
> I hope to hear from all you guys soon.
> 
> Thanks and have a good night,
> 
> Sami
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From ahbeeorton at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 23 12:03:40 2017
From: ahbeeorton at yahoo.com (Ahbee Orton)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 06:03:40 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Stoichiometry and ICE Method
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Anna, 

For stoichiometry and other chemistry concepts, you used a scribe/reader to help with your math windows or brailled materials when doing homework and tests? I'm a bit confused on this part of what you said. 

“We love because he first loved us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭4:19‬ ‭NIV‬

> On Feb 22, 2017, at 9:09 PM, Anna Givens via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Ahbee,
> 
> Is Math window working for you?  Is it efficient enough for you?  I think it is an excellent tool for the types of problems you're doing.  And certainly could be used for tests, and is something I used for homework.  The question is how well does it work for you? If you can use it efficiently then you may choose to use it on a test.  
> Personally, I found readers/scribes to be very useful for tests on material like chemistry.  (Of course it has to be a good reader, preferably someone you've worked with before, and has to be someone who is familiar with chemistry material.) And if you use a reader in addition to your math window, this may be the most efficient. 
> Again, it all comes down to what works best for you.  
> Let me know if you need any more clarification on this.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> Anna E Givens
> 
>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 3:13 PM, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Folks, 
>> 
>> I know I've been posting lately more than once. I'm specifically thinking about stoichiometry and the ICE method. They take up a lot of space and some processing of where the different parts go. I can't do the ICE method on the Focus or a notetaker. I'm using the math windows right at the moment. Is this the route I should go to complete a test and homework using the ICE Method and/or stoichiometric problems? Sorry for not being any more specific. Thanks for the help! 
>> 
>> Ahbee 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Ahbee's iPhone
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 23 16:45:17 2017
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 09:45:17 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Stoichiometry and ICE Method
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Used a reader in addition to Math window.


Anna E Givens

> On Feb 23, 2017, at 5:03 AM, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Anna, 
> 
> For stoichiometry and other chemistry concepts, you used a scribe/reader to help with your math windows or brailled materials when doing homework and tests? I'm a bit confused on this part of what you said. 
> 
> “We love because he first loved us.”
> ‭‭1 John‬ ‭4:19‬ ‭NIV‬
> 
>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 9:09 PM, Anna Givens via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Ahbee,
>> 
>> Is Math window working for you?  Is it efficient enough for you?  I think it is an excellent tool for the types of problems you're doing.  And certainly could be used for tests, and is something I used for homework.  The question is how well does it work for you? If you can use it efficiently then you may choose to use it on a test.  
>> Personally, I found readers/scribes to be very useful for tests on material like chemistry.  (Of course it has to be a good reader, preferably someone you've worked with before, and has to be someone who is familiar with chemistry material.) And if you use a reader in addition to your math window, this may be the most efficient. 
>> Again, it all comes down to what works best for you.  
>> Let me know if you need any more clarification on this.
>> 
>> Good luck.
>> 
>> Anna E Givens
>> 
>>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 3:13 PM, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Folks, 
>>> 
>>> I know I've been posting lately more than once. I'm specifically thinking about stoichiometry and the ICE method. They take up a lot of space and some processing of where the different parts go. I can't do the ICE method on the Focus or a notetaker. I'm using the math windows right at the moment. Is this the route I should go to complete a test and homework using the ICE Method and/or stoichiometric problems? Sorry for not being any more specific. Thanks for the help! 
>>> 
>>> Ahbee 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from Ahbee's iPhone
>>> 
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From filerime at gmail.com  Fri Feb 24 04:00:06 2017
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 23:00:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] =?utf-8?q?OABS_Podcast_=E2=80=93_Episode_1=3A_Getting_Re?=
	=?utf-8?q?ady_for_Your_Next_Or_First_Semester_as_a_Blind_Student?=
Message-ID: <CAMtP_9fzDWyy0hdQAzshMMU=63dFVnTYu7u_9aY4ARDoxwqSmA@mail.gmail.com>

OABS Podcast – Episode 1
Getting Ready for Your Next Or First  Semester as a Blind Student
By Emily and Lillie Pennington

       Welcome to the very first episode of the monthly podcast
produced by the Ohio Association of Blind Students, where you can
learn what we can share about surviving and even thriving as a blind
student. In this, the first of what we hope to be many installments to
come, we hear from Emily Pennington, board member with the Ohio
Association of Blind Students, graduate from Xavier University, and
new law student at the University of Cincinnati; and from Lillie
Pennington, her sister, a freshman at Northern Kentucky University –
both blind students with, as they put it, “years of experience [in
the] ups and downs of preparing for college semester [by semester]”.
So please, take a moment to enjoy hearing from, and most probably also
learning from, these two students’ wealth of knowledge and know-how as
you grow your understanding of what it takes to be a blind student
today.
https://soundcloud.com/engelsizerisimdernegi/oabs-podcast-1-emily-and-lillie

follow us on facebook for next episodes
https://www.facebook.com/NFB-Ohio-Association-of-Blind-Students-146614348703543/


From ligne14 at verizon.net  Fri Feb 24 05:01:36 2017
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2017 01:01:36 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Becoming an RA
Message-ID: <0OLV007MN4MZ0U50@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi all,

I just got an email today telling us when applications are due 
for the students to become an RA for next year.  I think it would 
be very interesting to become one, because it would allow me to 
have an on-campus job as well as giving me the opportunity to 
meet/interact more with the other students as well as being able 
to manage whatever problems they're having with living in the 
dorms.  Plus, the advantage of being an RA at my school is that 
you get to have your own room, which is good in my opinion, 
because, (I posted about this a couple months ago,) my experience 
living with two roommates has been somewhat of a disaster this 
past year.  I'd just like to know if you guys have become/are 
currently an RA on your college campus.  Is it possible to be one 
as blind students? If so, how was/is your experience so far?

I also had a few concerns I wanted to address with you guys 
before I apply for the position.  First of all, the director of 
Residence Life knows that I'm totally blind.  In your opinion, 
may that cause him to immediately reject my application simply 
because he thinks I can't accomplish the job for whatever reason? 
If my application is rejected, (either for that or any other 
reason,) would I be able to discuss with him why it's been 
rejected, since I have no control in his overall decision?
Second, I know that RA's have to address every kind of problem 
that the students living in their unit are having.  Some of these 
things are difficult or impossible to solve.  For example, when I 
was walking back to my dorm from class one day, I talked to one 
of my acquaintances, (who lives next door to me,) who was waiting 
for our RA to come back because he had some kind of problem with 
the shower in his unit.  I honestly have no idea how I, or even 
most people, would be able to fix something like that, especially 
since I have absolutely no experience with this kind of thing.  
My RA actually would like to become a mechanical engineer, so I 
guess he would have experience with that.
Third, are RA's allowed to go home/leave campus for an extended 
period of time, like on weekends or studying abroad? The reason 
I'm asking is because I go home on weekends, (which is an 
advantage for me, since I live only fifteen minutes away from 
campus).  One of the main reasons I have to go home is because I 
have piano lessons every week at a music school that's an hour 
away from my county, and I usually depend on my mother to drive 
me there (I haven't  got any mobility training in using public 
transit such as trains, and taking a cab there would be too 
expensive, since it's an hour away).  I'm also planning to study 
abroad during my junior year, and therefore, if I was an RA, they 
would probably have to look for a replacement, unless RA's are 
not allowed to study abroad for some reason.  Also, that being 
said, is an RA position a temporary, one-yet-long position, or is 
it a permanent one unless I resign/get fired?

I hope to hear from you guys soon.

Thanks very much and have a great night,

Sami


From herekittykat97 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 24 05:11:08 2017
From: herekittykat97 at gmail.com (Jewel)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2017 00:11:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] 
 =?utf-8?q?OABS_Podcast_=E2=80=93_Episode_1=3A_Getting_R?=
 =?utf-8?q?eady_for_Your_Next_Or_First_Semester_as_a_Blind_Student?=
In-Reply-To: <CAMtP_9fzDWyy0hdQAzshMMU=63dFVnTYu7u_9aY4ARDoxwqSmA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMtP_9fzDWyy0hdQAzshMMU=63dFVnTYu7u_9aY4ARDoxwqSmA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <72BC314E-A6C5-4E47-A687-0582E13357E8@gmail.com>

Are there any plans to make this podcast on iTunes? I would really love to add it to my podcast catcher! It sounds really great I'm going to go listen to it right now!
Jewel


Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 23, 2017, at 11:00 PM, Elif Emir Öksüz via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> OABS Podcast – Episode 1
> Getting Ready for Your Next Or First  Semester as a Blind Student
> By Emily and Lillie Pennington
> 
>       Welcome to the very first episode of the monthly podcast
> produced by the Ohio Association of Blind Students, where you can
> learn what we can share about surviving and even thriving as a blind
> student. In this, the first of what we hope to be many installments to
> come, we hear from Emily Pennington, board member with the Ohio
> Association of Blind Students, graduate from Xavier University, and
> new law student at the University of Cincinnati; and from Lillie
> Pennington, her sister, a freshman at Northern Kentucky University –
> both blind students with, as they put it, “years of experience [in
> the] ups and downs of preparing for college semester [by semester]”.
> So please, take a moment to enjoy hearing from, and most probably also
> learning from, these two students’ wealth of knowledge and know-how as
> you grow your understanding of what it takes to be a blind student
> today.
> https://soundcloud.com/engelsizerisimdernegi/oabs-podcast-1-emily-and-lillie
> 
> follow us on facebook for next episodes
> https://www.facebook.com/NFB-Ohio-Association-of-Blind-Students-146614348703543/
> 
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From mausbun at nevada.unr.edu  Fri Feb 24 19:36:21 2017
From: mausbun at nevada.unr.edu (Michael)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2017 13:36:21 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Computer Science and related Research
Message-ID: <001601d28ed5$4729b6a0$d57d23e0$@nevada.unr.edu>

Hello All:
	My name is Michael Ausbun, and I am currently a student at the
Louisiana Center for the Blind. I am conducting research, to develop a
comprehensive guide for prospective computer science students. I would much
appreciate it if you would take some time and answer the following
questions.
	Thank you for your attention in this matter.
Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun

Research questions:
Advocacy:
(1)	What accommodations do you believe were most beneficial to you in
completing your degree?
(2)	What accommodation(s) were necessary when completing visual
components of one's degree requirements?
(3)	In what ways have you advocated for the modification of materials to
ensure equal access for yourself or future computer science students?
(4)	What is the most important question(s) a computer science student
should ask their instructors before and during a selected course of study?
(5)	Are there any Universities, companies, or organizations who have
been greater benefactors?
Academics:
(1)	How much math and science is necessary for a person to be successful
within the computer science field.
(2)	In general, are materials accessible with access technology?
(3)	What are some effective, and somewhat universal, techniques for
manipulating and writing computer languages?
(4)	In what ways did your assignments get modified, to establish equal
access to all requirements?
(5)	What are some effective ways for designing accessible algorithms and
data structures?
(6)	When developing a portfolio, did you find an accessible way of
publicly displaying your code, or for hosting your portfolio?
(7)	After publishing your code, what methods do you use to ensure the
visible code is visually appealing or readable?
(8)	Are there any courses you might recommend to take in high school to
prepare someone going into the computer science field?
(9)	Besides the source work required to obtain your degree, what
additional course work might you recommend to enhance one's employment
effectiveness?
Access technology:
(1)	What access technology gave you the greatest degree of opportunity
to compete on an equal playing field with your peers?
(2)	What challenges did access technology present when interacting with
the technology required to complete tasks and assignments for your computer
science degree or profession?
(3)	What role does access technology play in the completion of your
daily assignments or tasks?
(4)	How might modifications to standard technology create more
opportunity for usability with access technology?
General technology:
(1)	In what ways is the general technology inaccessible when paired with
access technology? Are there any work arounds for these issues?
(2)	What sort of accommodations are necessary for the use of most
general technology used in this field of study or profession?
(3)	Can standard tasks be completed on a unit without extensive
modification or accommodations?
Does most technology come ready to use? Are there ways to increase one's
productivity when using Python JavaScript C++ swift and racket, and
integrated development environments (IDEs)-such as CodeLite, Eclipse,
NetBeans, VisualWX, Xcode, and KDevelop?  







From clearinghouse at miusa.org  Fri Feb 24 22:07:00 2017
From: clearinghouse at miusa.org (NCDE Clearinghouse)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2017 14:07:00 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Question for Anyone Who Has Studied Abroad
Message-ID: <671226d9-99eb-3c70-dd39-e6e93350c50f@miusa.org>

Dear Vejas,

This is a great question. I am sure that you will receive a lot of 
useful experience from the students on this list, and we will just share 
our two cents based on our work on this topic and stories we’ve 
collected. Here’s our general tipsheet on using VR for international 
exchange: http://www.miusa.org/resource/tipsheet/vocrehab

Whether and how much support your vocational rehabilitation counselor 
offers you for your study abroad program will depend on your unique 
situation, whether or not you will receive course credit for your study 
abroad program, your reasonable accommodation needs, what you both agree 
on and whether or not you can demonstrate that it will advance your job 
skills.

Here are stories from a few of people who used VR for study abroad. 
Although the stories don’t go into detail about what it covered, you can 
see the variety of students and programs that were supported.
http://www.miusa.org/resource/story/xuan
http://www.miusa.org/resource/story/beth
http://www.miusa.org/resource/story/mallory

Vocational Rehabilitation paid for Xuan’s tuition, a plane ticket, and 
an hourly rate for her cousin to serve as her personal assistant for a 
five-week faculty-led study abroad program to London. Beth’s paid for 
tuition, housing, fees and books for a year abroad at a UK university. 
I’m not sure what Mallory’s costs were covered, but we met another 
student recently also in Arizona and she had tuition covered but not 
airfare.

Another low vision student from Nebraska years ago went to Eastern 
Europe (we no longer have her story online). Her VR counselor used 
Nebraska Commission for the Blind and Visually Impaired (NCBVI) funds 
for her semester abroad, covering her tuition, books and supplies as had 
been done for the previous semesters. NCBVI also contributed 50% of the 
cost of a portable notetaker for her use with her research, e-mails to 
professors, data collection and writing assignments.

Check with your vocational rehabilitation counselor about the steps that 
they will expect you to take to request funding. Also if you receive SSI 
or SSDI then learn more about that too: 
http://www.miusa.org/resource/tipsheet/ssi

Finally, if you have not had the chance, I encourage you to take a look 
at our study abroad planning resources at www.MIUSA.org/plan.

If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact us at 
clearinghouse at MIUSA.org in addition to this excellent listserv.

Sincerely


-- 
Justin Harford
Project Coordinator
National Clearinghouse on Disability and Exchange
Mobility International USA
Phone: 541-343-1284 extension 14
Email: jharford at miusa.org



From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Sat Feb 25 01:11:22 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2017 17:11:22 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Biggest Transitions from Training to College or College to
 Training
Message-ID: <1CEA3C10-F2A9-4C32-A510-D6C16D93EC2B@gmail.com>

Hi All,
I thought I would start a discussion on what you have felt was the biggest adjustment  between going to training and going to college. 
I attended a training center and have just started college, and the two adjustments I most had to face were the schedule, because I was used to going to school from 8:00 to 3:00 and then training from 8:00 to 5:00 so the schedule is more loose. The other one is that when we were in training, we always had free reign over when we could spontaneously visit friends. Sometimes we didn't even knock. But at school there's a card system, so if you want to visit a friend spontaneously in another building you first need someone to let you into the building and then hope that the friend is there so they can let you in their residence.
How about all of you?
Vejas  

From filerime at gmail.com  Sat Feb 25 01:30:07 2017
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2017 20:30:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] 
	=?utf-8?q?OABS_Podcast_=E2=80=93_Episode_1=3A_Getting_R?=
	=?utf-8?q?eady_for_Your_Next_Or_First_Semester_as_a_Blind_Student?=
In-Reply-To: <72BC314E-A6C5-4E47-A687-0582E13357E8@gmail.com>
References: <CAMtP_9fzDWyy0hdQAzshMMU=63dFVnTYu7u_9aY4ARDoxwqSmA@mail.gmail.com>
	<72BC314E-A6C5-4E47-A687-0582E13357E8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMtP_9dWUDZqM1=XjRdmFCNd1TCL=59NrqMqO5+n+stGOv=ooA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jewel,
That sounds like a great idea. We will follow up with that.
Until we do that we will share the podcast on our facebook and here.
I hope you liked it.

On 2/24/17, Jewel via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Are there any plans to make this podcast on iTunes? I would really love to
> add it to my podcast catcher! It sounds really great I'm going to go listen
> to it right now!
> Jewel
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 11:00 PM, Elif Emir Öksüz via NABS-L
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> OABS Podcast – Episode 1
>> Getting Ready for Your Next Or First  Semester as a Blind Student
>> By Emily and Lillie Pennington
>>
>>       Welcome to the very first episode of the monthly podcast
>> produced by the Ohio Association of Blind Students, where you can
>> learn what we can share about surviving and even thriving as a blind
>> student. In this, the first of what we hope to be many installments to
>> come, we hear from Emily Pennington, board member with the Ohio
>> Association of Blind Students, graduate from Xavier University, and
>> new law student at the University of Cincinnati; and from Lillie
>> Pennington, her sister, a freshman at Northern Kentucky University –
>> both blind students with, as they put it, “years of experience [in
>> the] ups and downs of preparing for college semester [by semester]”.
>> So please, take a moment to enjoy hearing from, and most probably also
>> learning from, these two students’ wealth of knowledge and know-how as
>> you grow your understanding of what it takes to be a blind student
>> today.
>> https://soundcloud.com/engelsizerisimdernegi/oabs-podcast-1-emily-and-lillie
>>
>> follow us on facebook for next episodes
>> https://www.facebook.com/NFB-Ohio-Association-of-Blind-Students-146614348703543/
>>
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From ligne14 at verizon.net  Sat Feb 25 02:18:47 2017
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2017 22:18:47 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Biggest Transitions from Training to College or
 College toTraining
Message-ID: <0OLW00GS9UJC7R10@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi Vejas and all,

Also being a student transitioning from training to college, I'm 
completely with you on these things, although with slightly 
different conditions.
First, you're right about the schedule.  On weekdays, I had to 
get up early every day as if it were a school day (which, by the 
way, it technically was, because we were in training from 9:00 AM 
until 2:30 PM).  In college, though, I find my class schedule to 
be far more efficient.  During the week, the only day I have to 
get up early is on Wednesdays, because, even though I have 
exactly the same schedule on Mondays and Wednesdays, I go home on 
weekends and come back to campus on Monday mornings.  I have a 
class at 8:15 on Mondays and Wednesdays, but on Tuesdays and 
Thursdays, I don't start till the afternoon, so I actually get to 
sleep in on those days as if it were a weekend or holiday! That's 
actually good, because I'd the whole morning to complete any 
last-minute assignments that I didn't work on the previous 
day/night.

I also agree about the friends.  In my experience, (yours may be 
a little different,) it's far quicker and easier to make friends 
with other people who are blind than sighted.  I say this from 
personal experience, having transferred to a school for the blind 
from public school (only because I had some major problems in 
public school with some of my teachers and my TVI,) and I've made 
many friends in both places.  For me, (at least right now,) this 
is easier because other blind people are very much like you in 
the sense that they have the same disability, and therefore, 
probably also the same interests as you, and it would be easy to 
engage in conversation.  On a college campus where practically 
all the people there are sighted, it's more difficult because, 
even though it's a relatively small campus, everyone is always 
running around everywhere doing multiple things at once, and so 
therefore, it's hard to find/know where the people that you know 
are when you want to see them.  I also get a little irritated 
sometimes, because (I'm sure you guys have had the same 
experience as me,) many people who are sighted and have never 
seen a blind person before, see your cane and always assume that 
you need help getting somewhere, (like to class,) even though 
it's probably quite obvious that you're confidently walking like 
you know the route.  It also bothers me that, if I'm walking with 
someone (whether I need help or not) they will often tend to grab 
my arm without them even asking me if it's OK to do that, which 
indicates that many sighted people also don't know how to do 
sighted guide properly.  Although I do try my best to not show my 
irritation, (I probably wouldn't have any friends if I did,) I 
still feel it in my mind.
I'm really hoping to join some clubs on campus, which will 
hopefully allow me to make new friends and make them really 
understand my blindness.  Although, now that we're talking making 
friends, I'm a little nervous because I noticed that, (at least 
on my campus,) sometimes, people don't go to an event/activity 
that you want and/or you're a part of.  For instance, last 
semester, I attended a meeting that discussed the study abroad 
program my college offered, but there was practically nobody 
there; I was, as far as I know, the only student there, plus 
there was the guy in charge of the study-abroad program on 
campus, as well as a woman from the university that the program 
is a part of.  So, from that experience, I've learned that it's 
very difficult to know what different people are interested in, 
and whether or not they will take part in any activities that you 
like.  In fact, on my way to this study-abroad meeting, I 
actually ran into one of my roommates, who asked me what I was up 
to.  I told him that I was going to the meeting that discussed 
the study-abroad program, and then I asked him if he was going to 
attend, and he said no.  I have to admit, I was a little 
disappointed by that, and even more disappointed when I realized 
that there were only three of us - myself, (the only student 
there,) plus the two faculty members.

I apologize for the lengthy post, but I hope you understand my 
rambling.  :) 

Thanks and have a nice weekend,

Sami
 ----- Original Message -----
From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 24 Feb 2017 17:11:22 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Biggest Transitions from Training to College or 
College toTraining

Hi All,
I thought I would start a discussion on what you have felt was 
the biggest adjustment  between going to training and going to 
college.
I attended a training center and have just started college, and 
the two adjustments I most had to face were the schedule, because 
I was used to going to school from 8:00 to 3:00 and then training 
from 8:00 to 5:00 so the schedule is more loose.  The other one 
is that when we were in training, we always had free reign over 
when we could spontaneously visit friends.  Sometimes we didn't 
even knock.  But at school there's a card system, so if you want 
to visit a friend spontaneously in another building you first 
need someone to let you into the building and then hope that the 
friend is there so they can let you in their residence.
How about all of you?
Vejas
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sat Feb 25 21:00:30 2017
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2017 15:00:30 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Becoming an RA
In-Reply-To: <0OLV007MN4MZ0U50@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0OLV007MN4MZ0U50@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>
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I understand your wanting to reach out and gather info, but some of 
your questions can't be answered by us.  We don't know your school's 
rules and policies regarding RA's. We also can't know how an 
individual would react to a blind applicant. You do need to think 
ahead and consider different situations, and how you would deal with 
them as a blind person.

I could be wrong, but I would be surprised if RA's had to fix shower 
heads etc. I would guess your school has some sort of maintenance 
staff.  You might need to contact them, but wouldn't be expected to 
do the work.

Dave

At 11:01 PM 2/23/2017, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I just got an email today telling us when applications are due for 
>the students to become an RA for next year.  I think it would be 
>very interesting to become one, because it would allow me to have an 
>on-campus job as well as giving me the opportunity to meet/interact 
>more with the other students as well as being able to manage 
>whatever problems they're having with living in the dorms.  Plus, 
>the advantage of being an RA at my school is that you get to have 
>your own room, which is good in my opinion, because, (I posted about 
>this a couple months ago,) my experience living with two roommates 
>has been somewhat of a disaster this past year.  I'd just like to 
>know if you guys have become/are currently an RA on your college 
>campus.  Is it possible to be one as blind students? If so, how 
>was/is your experience so far?
>
>I also had a few concerns I wanted to address with you guys before I 
>apply for the position.  First of all, the director of Residence 
>Life knows that I'm totally blind.  In your opinion, may that cause 
>him to immediately reject my application simply because he thinks I 
>can't accomplish the job for whatever reason? If my application is 
>rejected, (either for that or any other reason,) would I be able to 
>discuss with him why it's been rejected, since I have no control in 
>his overall decision?
>Second, I know that RA's have to address every kind of problem that 
>the students living in their unit are having.  Some of these things 
>are difficult or impossible to solve.  For example, when I was 
>walking back to my dorm from class one day, I talked to one of my 
>acquaintances, (who lives next door to me,) who was waiting for our 
>RA to come back because he had some kind of problem with the shower 
>in his unit.  I honestly have no idea how I, or even most people, 
>would be able to fix something like that, especially since I have 
>absolutely no experience with this kind of thing.
>My RA actually would like to become a mechanical engineer, so I 
>guess he would have experience with that.
>Third, are RA's allowed to go home/leave campus for an extended 
>period of time, like on weekends or studying abroad? The reason I'm 
>asking is because I go home on weekends, (which is an advantage for 
>me, since I live only fifteen minutes away from campus).  One of the 
>main reasons I have to go home is because I have piano lessons every 
>week at a music school that's an hour away from my county, and I 
>usually depend on my mother to drive me there (I haven't  got any 
>mobility training in using public transit such as trains, and taking 
>a cab there would be too expensive, since it's an hour away).  I'm 
>also planning to study abroad during my junior year, and therefore, 
>if I was an RA, they would probably have to look for a replacement, 
>unless RA's are not allowed to study abroad for some reason.  Also, 
>that being said, is an RA position a temporary, one-yet-long 
>position, or is it a permanent one unless I resign/get fired?
>
>I hope to hear from you guys soon.
>
>Thanks very much and have a great night,
>
>Sami



From chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com  Sat Feb 25 23:41:17 2017
From: chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com (chelsea peahl)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2017 23:41:17 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Becoming an RA
In-Reply-To: <0OLV007MN4MZ0U50@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0OLV007MN4MZ0U50@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>
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Hi Sami,
In my opinion, being a RA means that you would need to be there on weekends and such for problems that arise then. The same goes for studying abroad. I believe that RA positions are typically a year and you can continue to apply every year.

Chelsea Peahl

> On Feb 23, 2017, at 10:03 PM, Sami Osborne via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just got an email today telling us when applications are due for the students to become an RA for next year.  I think it would be very interesting to become one, because it would allow me to have an on-campus job as well as giving me the opportunity to meet/interact more with the other students as well as being able to manage whatever problems they're having with living in the dorms.  Plus, the advantage of being an RA at my school is that you get to have your own room, which is good in my opinion, because, (I posted about this a couple months ago,) my experience living with two roommates has been somewhat of a disaster this past year.  I'd just like to know if you guys have become/are currently an RA on your college campus.  Is it possible to be one as blind students? If so, how was/is your experience so far?
> 
> I also had a few concerns I wanted to address with you guys before I apply for the position.  First of all, the director of Residence Life knows that I'm totally blind.  In your opinion, may that cause him to immediately reject my application simply because he thinks I can't accomplish the job for whatever reason? If my application is rejected, (either for that or any other reason,) would I be able to discuss with him why it's been rejected, since I have no control in his overall decision?
> Second, I know that RA's have to address every kind of problem that the students living in their unit are having.  Some of these things are difficult or impossible to solve.  For example, when I was walking back to my dorm from class one day, I talked to one of my acquaintances, (who lives next door to me,) who was waiting for our RA to come back because he had some kind of problem with the shower in his unit.  I honestly have no idea how I, or even most people, would be able to fix something like that, especially since I have absolutely no experience with this kind of thing.  My RA actually would like to become a mechanical engineer, so I guess he would have experience with that.
> Third, are RA's allowed to go home/leave campus for an extended period of time, like on weekends or studying abroad? The reason I'm asking is because I go home on weekends, (which is an advantage for me, since I live only fifteen minutes away from campus).  One of the main reasons I have to go home is because I have piano lessons every week at a music school that's an hour away from my county, and I usually depend on my mother to drive me there (I haven't  got any mobility training in using public transit such as trains, and taking a cab there would be too expensive, since it's an hour away).  I'm also planning to study abroad during my junior year, and therefore, if I was an RA, they would probably have to look for a replacement, unless RA's are not allowed to study abroad for some reason.  Also, that being said, is an RA position a temporary, one-yet-long position, or is it a permanent one unless I resign/get fired?
> 
> I hope to hear from you guys soon.
> 
> Thanks very much and have a great night,
> 
> Sami
> 
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From katelynmacmusic at gmail.com  Sun Feb 26 00:14:38 2017
From: katelynmacmusic at gmail.com (Katelyn MacIntyre)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2017 17:14:38 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Becoming an RA
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	<BN3PR1001MB12017E0658A1AB53B467D254E4550@BN3PR1001MB1201.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
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Hi Sami,
I believe it is absolutely possible for a blind student to be an RA. It just depends on how comfortable you are with your own skills in completing this job. There's no way of knowing if your residence director will immediately discard your application because you are blind until this should happen, but if you are not accepted to the position, I think it's absolutely reasonable to ask if they can tell you why you were not accepted. They may not wish to disclose this information, but it doesn't hurt to ask.
Secondly, it depends on your school, but usually RAs receive training at the beginning of the year or end of the previous year to help guide them on how to deal with specific situations on your floor. I think in the case of a broken shower head, the RA would help the student contact facilities/maintenance, rather than actually fixing the shower head themselves. In my experience, you would mostly be dealing with conflict issues on your floor, enforcing community standards, providing information for students who need to contact other members of campus staff, and being there as a general resource for your floor. But again, this may depend on your college.
Thirdly, RAs are usually accepted on a year-by-year basis, so you could be one next year, and then study abroad the year after that and not apply to be an RA. Additionally, it depends on the extent of your student life staff weather or not you would be able to go home on weekends. Generally, you would probably want to be on campus most weekends to be involved with the students on your floor, but I'm sure you could leave some of the weekends during the semester – I think it again depends on the policies of your college. Sometimes over weekends the RAs take turns being the member of staff on duty during that time for the whole dorm. I'm sure you can reach out to your residence director with some of these questions as well, as they are questions that any student might ask.
Hope that helps, and best wishes for your application if you decide to apply!


~Katelyn MacIntyre
www.katelynmac.com
www.facebook.com/KatelynMacMusic
@KatelynMacMusic
Vice President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division

> On Feb 25, 2017, at 4:41 PM, chelsea peahl via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Sami,
> In my opinion, being a RA means that you would need to be there on weekends and such for problems that arise then. The same goes for studying abroad. I believe that RA positions are typically a year and you can continue to apply every year.
> 
> Chelsea Peahl
> 
>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 10:03 PM, Sami Osborne via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just got an email today telling us when applications are due for the students to become an RA for next year.  I think it would be very interesting to become one, because it would allow me to have an on-campus job as well as giving me the opportunity to meet/interact more with the other students as well as being able to manage whatever problems they're having with living in the dorms.  Plus, the advantage of being an RA at my school is that you get to have your own room, which is good in my opinion, because, (I posted about this a couple months ago,) my experience living with two roommates has been somewhat of a disaster this past year.  I'd just like to know if you guys have become/are currently an RA on your college campus.  Is it possible to be one as blind students? If so, how was/is your experience so far?
>> 
>> I also had a few concerns I wanted to address with you guys before I apply for the position.  First of all, the director of Residence Life knows that I'm totally blind.  In your opinion, may that cause him to immediately reject my application simply because he thinks I can't accomplish the job for whatever reason? If my application is rejected, (either for that or any other reason,) would I be able to discuss with him why it's been rejected, since I have no control in his overall decision?
>> Second, I know that RA's have to address every kind of problem that the students living in their unit are having.  Some of these things are difficult or impossible to solve.  For example, when I was walking back to my dorm from class one day, I talked to one of my acquaintances, (who lives next door to me,) who was waiting for our RA to come back because he had some kind of problem with the shower in his unit.  I honestly have no idea how I, or even most people, would be able to fix something like that, especially since I have absolutely no experience with this kind of thing.  My RA actually would like to become a mechanical engineer, so I guess he would have experience with that.
>> Third, are RA's allowed to go home/leave campus for an extended period of time, like on weekends or studying abroad? The reason I'm asking is because I go home on weekends, (which is an advantage for me, since I live only fifteen minutes away from campus).  One of the main reasons I have to go home is because I have piano lessons every week at a music school that's an hour away from my county, and I usually depend on my mother to drive me there (I haven't  got any mobility training in using public transit such as trains, and taking a cab there would be too expensive, since it's an hour away).  I'm also planning to study abroad during my junior year, and therefore, if I was an RA, they would probably have to look for a replacement, unless RA's are not allowed to study abroad for some reason.  Also, that being said, is an RA position a temporary, one-yet-long position, or is it a permanent one unless I resign/get fired?
>> 
>> I hope to hear from you guys soon.
>> 
>> Thanks very much and have a great night,
>> 
>> Sami
>> 
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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Sun Feb 26 01:26:32 2017
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2017 20:26:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Becoming an RA
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If you are concerned about talking to your director, you can have a private chat with your RA, if you trust them not to disclose anything. Also, you could talk to another RA  who you know.

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 25, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Katelyn MacIntyre via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Sami,
> I believe it is absolutely possible for a blind student to be an RA. It just depends on how comfortable you are with your own skills in completing this job. There's no way of knowing if your residence director will immediately discard your application because you are blind until this should happen, but if you are not accepted to the position, I think it's absolutely reasonable to ask if they can tell you why you were not accepted. They may not wish to disclose this information, but it doesn't hurt to ask.
> Secondly, it depends on your school, but usually RAs receive training at the beginning of the year or end of the previous year to help guide them on how to deal with specific situations on your floor. I think in the case of a broken shower head, the RA would help the student contact facilities/maintenance, rather than actually fixing the shower head themselves. In my experience, you would mostly be dealing with conflict issues on your floor, enforcing community standards, providing information for students who need to contact other members of campus staff, and being there as a general resource for your floor. But again, this may depend on your college.
> Thirdly, RAs are usually accepted on a year-by-year basis, so you could be one next year, and then study abroad the year after that and not apply to be an RA. Additionally, it depends on the extent of your student life staff weather or not you would be able to go home on weekends. Generally, you would probably want to be on campus most weekends to be involved with the students on your floor, but I'm sure you could leave some of the weekends during the semester – I think it again depends on the policies of your college. Sometimes over weekends the RAs take turns being the member of staff on duty during that time for the whole dorm. I'm sure you can reach out to your residence director with some of these questions as well, as they are questions that any student might ask.
> Hope that helps, and best wishes for your application if you decide to apply!
> 
> 
> ~Katelyn MacIntyre
> www.katelynmac.com
> www.facebook.com/KatelynMacMusic
> @KatelynMacMusic
> Vice President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division
> 
>> On Feb 25, 2017, at 4:41 PM, chelsea peahl via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Sami,
>> In my opinion, being a RA means that you would need to be there on weekends and such for problems that arise then. The same goes for studying abroad. I believe that RA positions are typically a year and you can continue to apply every year.
>> 
>> Chelsea Peahl
>> 
>>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 10:03 PM, Sami Osborne via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I just got an email today telling us when applications are due for the students to become an RA for next year.  I think it would be very interesting to become one, because it would allow me to have an on-campus job as well as giving me the opportunity to meet/interact more with the other students as well as being able to manage whatever problems they're having with living in the dorms.  Plus, the advantage of being an RA at my school is that you get to have your own room, which is good in my opinion, because, (I posted about this a couple months ago,) my experience living with two roommates has been somewhat of a disaster this past year.  I'd just like to know if you guys have become/are currently an RA on your college campus.  Is it possible to be one as blind students? If so, how was/is your experience so far?
>>> 
>>> I also had a few concerns I wanted to address with you guys before I apply for the position.  First of all, the director of Residence Life knows that I'm totally blind.  In your opinion, may that cause him to immediately reject my application simply because he thinks I can't accomplish the job for whatever reason? If my application is rejected, (either for that or any other reason,) would I be able to discuss with him why it's been rejected, since I have no control in his overall decision?
>>> Second, I know that RA's have to address every kind of problem that the students living in their unit are having.  Some of these things are difficult or impossible to solve.  For example, when I was walking back to my dorm from class one day, I talked to one of my acquaintances, (who lives next door to me,) who was waiting for our RA to come back because he had some kind of problem with the shower in his unit.  I honestly have no idea how I, or even most people, would be able to fix something like that, especially since I have absolutely no experience with this kind of thing.  My RA actually would like to become a mechanical engineer, so I guess he would have experience with that.
>>> Third, are RA's allowed to go home/leave campus for an extended period of time, like on weekends or studying abroad? The reason I'm asking is because I go home on weekends, (which is an advantage for me, since I live only fifteen minutes away from campus).  One of the main reasons I have to go home is because I have piano lessons every week at a music school that's an hour away from my county, and I usually depend on my mother to drive me there (I haven't  got any mobility training in using public transit such as trains, and taking a cab there would be too expensive, since it's an hour away).  I'm also planning to study abroad during my junior year, and therefore, if I was an RA, they would probably have to look for a replacement, unless RA's are not allowed to study abroad for some reason.  Also, that being said, is an RA position a temporary, one-yet-long position, or is it a permanent one unless I resign/get fired?
>>> 
>>> I hope to hear from you guys soon.
>>> 
>>> Thanks very much and have a great night,
>>> 
>>> Sami
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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From carolinarose422 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 26 01:47:51 2017
From: carolinarose422 at gmail.com (Kiana Harlan)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2017 20:47:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Becoming an RA
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Hi,
At my school, they usually have RA informational meetings throughout
the year. It might help some to attend one of those, or even to speak
with your RA to see what their job intells. I also don't think you
have to go to HRL to get information. Each building usually has a
person who is over all the RA's. They might be able to answer your
questions as well. They could also give you advice about applying to
be an RA with a visual impairment. Most of the RA's I've ever
encountered usually do their jobs in groups. There are visual aspects
of it though that you should consider. If you got stuck in a situation
where you had to do it on your own, how would you do the health and
safety inspections? I'm sure if you spoke to someone, then they could
help you, or even set you up with an RA buddy for these occasions.
I think that RA's have to stay on campus on the weekends. There will
always be students there who may need your assistance with something.
I'm not sure how that works though. Since each building has multiple
RA's, you may get certain weekends off, and have certain times you're
expected to be in the building.
As far as study abroad, my RA last year was only there for the fall
semester, because she did study abroad in the Spring. It really
depends on your school and qualifications. I also think that it is
yearly. You can re-apply to be an RA each year if you want. It's not
something you're locked into for the rest of your college career.

Good luck!
Let us know if you apply and how it goes. :)

Best,
Kiana

On 2/25/17, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> If you are concerned about talking to your director, you can have a private
> chat with your RA, if you trust them not to disclose anything. Also, you
> could talk to another RA  who you know.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Feb 25, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Katelyn MacIntyre via NABS-L
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Sami,
>> I believe it is absolutely possible for a blind student to be an RA. It
>> just depends on how comfortable you are with your own skills in completing
>> this job. There's no way of knowing if your residence director will
>> immediately discard your application because you are blind until this
>> should happen, but if you are not accepted to the position, I think it's
>> absolutely reasonable to ask if they can tell you why you were not
>> accepted. They may not wish to disclose this information, but it doesn't
>> hurt to ask.
>> Secondly, it depends on your school, but usually RAs receive training at
>> the beginning of the year or end of the previous year to help guide them
>> on how to deal with specific situations on your floor. I think in the case
>> of a broken shower head, the RA would help the student contact
>> facilities/maintenance, rather than actually fixing the shower head
>> themselves. In my experience, you would mostly be dealing with conflict
>> issues on your floor, enforcing community standards, providing information
>> for students who need to contact other members of campus staff, and being
>> there as a general resource for your floor. But again, this may depend on
>> your college.
>> Thirdly, RAs are usually accepted on a year-by-year basis, so you could be
>> one next year, and then study abroad the year after that and not apply to
>> be an RA. Additionally, it depends on the extent of your student life
>> staff weather or not you would be able to go home on weekends. Generally,
>> you would probably want to be on campus most weekends to be involved with
>> the students on your floor, but I'm sure you could leave some of the
>> weekends during the semester – I think it again depends on the policies of
>> your college. Sometimes over weekends the RAs take turns being the member
>> of staff on duty during that time for the whole dorm. I'm sure you can
>> reach out to your residence director with some of these questions as well,
>> as they are questions that any student might ask.
>> Hope that helps, and best wishes for your application if you decide to
>> apply!
>>
>>
>> ~Katelyn MacIntyre
>> www.katelynmac.com
>> www.facebook.com/KatelynMacMusic
>> @KatelynMacMusic
>> Vice President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division
>>
>>> On Feb 25, 2017, at 4:41 PM, chelsea peahl via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Sami,
>>> In my opinion, being a RA means that you would need to be there on
>>> weekends and such for problems that arise then. The same goes for
>>> studying abroad. I believe that RA positions are typically a year and you
>>> can continue to apply every year.
>>>
>>> Chelsea Peahl
>>>
>>>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 10:03 PM, Sami Osborne via NABS-L
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I just got an email today telling us when applications are due for the
>>>> students to become an RA for next year.  I think it would be very
>>>> interesting to become one, because it would allow me to have an
>>>> on-campus job as well as giving me the opportunity to meet/interact more
>>>> with the other students as well as being able to manage whatever
>>>> problems they're having with living in the dorms.  Plus, the advantage
>>>> of being an RA at my school is that you get to have your own room, which
>>>> is good in my opinion, because, (I posted about this a couple months
>>>> ago,) my experience living with two roommates has been somewhat of a
>>>> disaster this past year.  I'd just like to know if you guys have
>>>> become/are currently an RA on your college campus.  Is it possible to be
>>>> one as blind students? If so, how was/is your experience so far?
>>>>
>>>> I also had a few concerns I wanted to address with you guys before I
>>>> apply for the position.  First of all, the director of Residence Life
>>>> knows that I'm totally blind.  In your opinion, may that cause him to
>>>> immediately reject my application simply because he thinks I can't
>>>> accomplish the job for whatever reason? If my application is rejected,
>>>> (either for that or any other reason,) would I be able to discuss with
>>>> him why it's been rejected, since I have no control in his overall
>>>> decision?
>>>> Second, I know that RA's have to address every kind of problem that the
>>>> students living in their unit are having.  Some of these things are
>>>> difficult or impossible to solve.  For example, when I was walking back
>>>> to my dorm from class one day, I talked to one of my acquaintances, (who
>>>> lives next door to me,) who was waiting for our RA to come back because
>>>> he had some kind of problem with the shower in his unit.  I honestly
>>>> have no idea how I, or even most people, would be able to fix something
>>>> like that, especially since I have absolutely no experience with this
>>>> kind of thing.  My RA actually would like to become a mechanical
>>>> engineer, so I guess he would have experience with that.
>>>> Third, are RA's allowed to go home/leave campus for an extended period
>>>> of time, like on weekends or studying abroad? The reason I'm asking is
>>>> because I go home on weekends, (which is an advantage for me, since I
>>>> live only fifteen minutes away from campus).  One of the main reasons I
>>>> have to go home is because I have piano lessons every week at a music
>>>> school that's an hour away from my county, and I usually depend on my
>>>> mother to drive me there (I haven't  got any mobility training in using
>>>> public transit such as trains, and taking a cab there would be too
>>>> expensive, since it's an hour away).  I'm also planning to study abroad
>>>> during my junior year, and therefore, if I was an RA, they would
>>>> probably have to look for a replacement, unless RA's are not allowed to
>>>> study abroad for some reason.  Also, that being said, is an RA position
>>>> a temporary, one-yet-long position, or is it a permanent one unless I
>>>> resign/get fired?
>>>>
>>>> I hope to hear from you guys soon.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks very much and have a great night,
>>>>
>>>> Sami
>>>>
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Sun Feb 26 15:23:48 2017
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2017 09:23:48 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Biggest Transitions from Training to College or
 College to Training
In-Reply-To: <1CEA3C10-F2A9-4C32-A510-D6C16D93EC2B@gmail.com>
References: <1CEA3C10-F2A9-4C32-A510-D6C16D93EC2B@gmail.com>
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Vejas:

Thanks for starting a very interesting discussion. As you know, I'm taking a gap year between high school and college to attend LCB, so I haven't yet had the experience of the training-to-college transition. I will say, however, that I too will likely need some time to get used to the lack of spontaneity in one's ability to visit friends outside of class. By nature I'm a spontaneous person, so this was one ofthe first things I came to like about LCB's setup. However, if my college's dorm setup is like yours, I anticipate that I would be able to text/call a friend and ask him/her to come down and open the building. Perhaps this is less convient than the apartment structure of the training centers, but it certainly doesn't eliminate your ability to visit a friend outside your dorm.

Also, dorm life is quite different from apartment life. Whereas in apartments two roommates have complete control over how the apartment is arranged, in a dorm the roommates must conform at least partially to the college's living arrangements. I'm usually able to adapt fairly easily, so this shouldn't be a big prom, but it will be a transition nonetheless.

On a more positive (maybe) note, most colleges have a cafeteria which serves all 3 meals ofthe day and which is included as part ofa meal plan. For those of us who don't really like to cook, this is a welcome break from the cooking and dishwashing which happens every day around the center. However, this doesn't allow forthe freedom of choice which comes with doing one's own grocery shopping. Also, I'm a bit concerned that after 4 years of cafeteria meals, I may lose some ofthe skills I've learned in home ec. So, though I'm looking forward to not having to do the daily cooking, I think even this will come with some pros and cons.

These are just my thoughts as I prepare forthe transition which you and others have already made. I look forward to reading some more experienced comments from others.

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 24, 2017, at 7:11 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> I thought I would start a discussion on what you have felt was the biggest adjustment  between going to training and going to college. 
> I attended a training center and have just started college, and the two adjustments I most had to face were the schedule, because I was used to going to school from 8:00 to 3:00 and then training from 8:00 to 5:00 so the schedule is more loose. The other one is that when we were in training, we always had free reign over when we could spontaneously visit friends. Sometimes we didn't even knock. But at school there's a card system, so if you want to visit a friend spontaneously in another building you first need someone to let you into the building and then hope that the friend is there so they can let you in their residence.
> How about all of you?
> Vejas  
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From philso1003 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 26 23:09:30 2017
From: philso1003 at gmail.com (Phil)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2017 18:09:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] How accessible and disability-friendly is your area
Message-ID: <CAO2euMdoZ31d8vTSj7-02iNq88hXnaO8+2mPfiYaVcXwAqXHSg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi guys,
How accessible and disability-friendly is your city or state?
I was wondering how big the gaps are among different cities and
different states.
Let's share your view on this.
Feel free to complain, or praise. :)
Best,
Phil


From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 26 23:20:02 2017
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2017 23:20:02 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] How accessible and disability-friendly is your area
In-Reply-To: <CAO2euMdoZ31d8vTSj7-02iNq88hXnaO8+2mPfiYaVcXwAqXHSg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello Phil,

This sounds like a rather interesting topic discussion for the email list. However, it also seems like a rather broad topic as well. So what exactly do you mean by How accessible and disability-friendly our cities  or states might be? There are different ways to define accessible and disability-friendly, so what types of responses are you looking to receive here on the NABS email list? Providing what you mean by accessible and disability-friendly might help to receive more responses to this question.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
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Cc: Phil <philso1003 at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] How accessible and disability-friendly is your area

Hi guys,
How accessible and disability-friendly is your city or state?
I was wondering how big the gaps are among different cities and different states.
Let's share your view on this.
Feel free to complain, or praise. :)
Best,
Phil

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From philso1003 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 26 23:39:35 2017
From: philso1003 at gmail.com (Phil)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2017 18:39:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] How accessible and disability-friendly is your area
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	<DM5PR1201MB0092BD1BA32827BE3D8AC90CBA540@DM5PR1201MB0092.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
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Hi Elizabeth,
Thanks for asking for clarification.
By accessibility, I mean how accessible it is for a blind or low
vision person to get around, utilize and enjoy everything your city or
state has to offer. By disability-friendliness, I am referring to
people's attitudes towards blind and visually impaired people.
For example, imagine if one were to decide where to live, or even
where to spend the next 4 years going away to college, and
accessibility and disability-friendliness happen to be two of many
factors a blind or low vision person wants to consider.
Does it make sense? or is the question still too broad?
Thanks.
Best,
Phil




On 2/26/17, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Phil,
>
> This sounds like a rather interesting topic discussion for the email list.
> However, it also seems like a rather broad topic as well. So what exactly do
> you mean by How accessible and disability-friendly our cities  or states
> might be? There are different ways to define accessible and
> disability-friendly, so what types of responses are you looking to receive
> here on the NABS email list? Providing what you mean by accessible and
> disability-friendly might help to receive more responses to this question.
>
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Phil via
> NABS-L
> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 6:10 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Phil <philso1003 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] How accessible and disability-friendly is your area
>
> Hi guys,
> How accessible and disability-friendly is your city or state?
> I was wondering how big the gaps are among different cities and different
> states.
> Let's share your view on this.
> Feel free to complain, or praise. :)
> Best,
> Phil
>
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 27 00:35:40 2017
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 00:35:40 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Writing and Editing Documents Using a Screen Reader
Message-ID: <DM5PR1201MB00924F57A7D13681EEE46BF8BA570@DM5PR1201MB0092.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Hello All,

Within the past several weeks I have seen a couple of different questions regarding writing and editing written documents using a screen reader on this email list. I have been told that I am a good writer, and I use a screen reader when writing and editing written documents. The types of documents I write the most include email messages like the one I am writing now as well as essay writing assignments for my classes. I also have some limited experience composing an outline for a Power Point presentation, and creating a poster board presentation for a research showcase.

I prefer using the default JAWS voice when writing and editing written documents. This is the voice I started using when I first started using a screen reader, so it is the voice I can understand the best even though there are other voices that might sound more natural to others. When I first started using a screen reader, it took me quite a bit of time to figure out how to use it in a way that works best for me. So if you are just beginning to use a screen reader to complete various writing and editing assignments, give yourself some time to practice using it. The more you use it, the better you will get at using it.

I am not quite sure what my current speed rate is for using JAWS. However, I know it is faster than some people I know, and it is slower than other people that I know. So set it to whatever speed rate works best for you. I usually have the JAWS settings to repeat words as I type and only some punctuation. I find that JAWS reading all punctuation bothers me when writing, and I can always check the punctuation as I go along by reading a particular section of writing by character. But again, you will need to find what works best for you.

When reading through written documents using JAWS, I have noticed that the pause sounds the same when using commas and periods. So if someone tells you that you are not writing complete sentences, be sure to check to see if you have placed a period where you should have placed a comma instead. A good rule of thumb for when to use a comma is the phrase "fan boys," which can help you determine whether or not you need to use a comma or a period. The letters in this popular phrase stands for the most commonly used words that require the use of a comma. These words are: for, and, nor, but, or, yet, and so. It is generally best to place a comma before these words to connect two parts of a sentence together to form a complete sentence.

Other strategies I use when writing and editing written documents include using spell check, and using the arrow keys to read what has already been written. I typically like to read things either line by line or word by word within a line. However, I will also read something character by character when checking for punctuation. I find that reading things line by line provides me with enough context to help me determine whether or not something sounds correct when writing and editing written documents.

When I find it difficult to figure out how to get started on a writing assignment, I generally use a method of free writing to help me generate some ideas for my writing assignment. This process allows me to brainstorm possible ideas for my writing assignment while allowing me to vent all the other thoughts that are floating around in my head that have absolutely nothing to do with my writing assignment. When working on a more polished version of my writing, I will usually follow some sort of outline that I have either created in writing or in my head. I find this helps organize my piece of writing which in turn helps to create a more polished draft.

When I have a difficult time trying to figure out what to say in a sentence when working on a polished draft, I will either write out what I want to say in my head before writing it out in my document, or I will copy and paste the section of the sentence that I like, and create different endings or beginnings for it depending on what part of the sentence I like and want to keep. I have also been known to save different versions of my working drafts in case I want to go back and reread something that I have changed. Perhaps there are more advanced technological ways of being able to do this without creating separate draft files, but this is simply what works best for me.

Anyway, these are some tips and tricks that I use when writing and editing written documents while using a screen reader. I hope this information is helpful to those of you who struggle writing and editing written documents while using a screen reader. However, if you are really struggling with writing assignments, most colleges and universities provide tutoring and writing assistance free to all students including you. So if you have not checked out the tutoring center or writing center on your campus yet, then I highly encourage you to check them out.

Happy writing,
Elizabeth

From hhamraz at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 02:39:08 2017
From: hhamraz at gmail.com (Hamid Hamraz)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2017 21:39:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Nokia N86 with Talks Needed
Message-ID: <004001d290a2$ad0a97e0$071fc7a0$@gmail.com>

Hello Folks,

 

In addition to my vision loss, I have dexterity issues so as I couldn't use
Android/Apple touch phones despite trying both for a couple of weeks.  So, I
can only use a phone with a keypad and hopefully a strong screen reader like
Nokia N86 or similar with Talks.  My old N86 is broken and I am looking for
a replacement. I actually purchased a brand new one from eBay, but I found
out that Symbian certificate files can no longer be created after 2014 or
so.  This means that there is no way to install Talks on the new phone.  On
the other hand, I know that many blind folks used to use Nokia Symbian
phones with Talks until a couple of years ago, which has now been replaced
with Apple or Android phones.  If anybody have an old Nokia phone with Talks
and no longer is using it, I will be willing to buy it and greatly
appreciate if they can email me off-list at hhamraz at gmail.com.

 

Also, I think it's a lost cause, but any suggestion on how to get the
Symbian certificate files for a new phone is welcome.

 

Thank you.

 

Hamid

 

 

 


From carolinarose422 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 02:41:58 2017
From: carolinarose422 at gmail.com (Kiana Harlan)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2017 21:41:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] GRE Accessible Materials and Study Tips!
Message-ID: <CAPL27qDRjSAMP69aQ35xikW3zw1TFGfZ6nmGa=zyMz2CfPydgg@mail.gmail.com>

Hey guys,
I've started looking into taking the GRE for grad school. All the grad
schools I am planning to apply to require scores. They are also super
competitive, since my goal is to get into the accelerated programs. I
have the excellent GPA and grades. My only source of nervousness is
the GRE.
I'm really nervous about this. I bombed the ACT in high school, not
because I didn't know the material, but because there were
accessibility issues. I don't want this to happen again with the GRE.
I've looked into all the accessible test prep materials, along with
the tactile supplements for certain sections. I was just wondering if
there was anyone on here who had taken the GRE. It would be nice to
have someone to talk to who has been through the experience of using
tactile supplements, electronic documents, and other accomedations
with them.

If there is anyone who would be willing to be my guide of sorts during
this process, I would grately appreciate the help! My professional
internship is next school year, so I'm aiming to take the GRE as early
in the fall semester as possible, so anyone who could give me study
tips, etc feel free to reach out!
You can also respond directly to my email address if you would like.

Best,
Kiana


From misokwak12 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 05:13:26 2017
From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2017 21:13:26 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] GRE Accessible Materials and Study Tips!
In-Reply-To: <CAPL27qDRjSAMP69aQ35xikW3zw1TFGfZ6nmGa=zyMz2CfPydgg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPL27qDRjSAMP69aQ35xikW3zw1TFGfZ6nmGa=zyMz2CfPydgg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMe9x_G1cx8SuwS0KaE0J90zwSWD79ns7zorb7xTmqPM-xgNCA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Kiana I took the GRE in December 2016.
It seems like you already contacted the ETS and obtained accessible
prep materials they offer.
If you are looking for other supplemental materials Bookshare has some
resources. The quantative sections were not too helpful but verbal
sections and writing materials were useful and helpful.

I took the GRE with 100% extended time, Braille test materials along
with tactile supplement, talking scientific calculator provided by the
ETS, and computer and screen reader for my writing portion.
If you have any specific questions, please feel free to email me.

Best of luck,
Miso

On 2/26/17, Kiana Harlan via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hey guys,
> I've started looking into taking the GRE for grad school. All the grad
> schools I am planning to apply to require scores. They are also super
> competitive, since my goal is to get into the accelerated programs. I
> have the excellent GPA and grades. My only source of nervousness is
> the GRE.
> I'm really nervous about this. I bombed the ACT in high school, not
> because I didn't know the material, but because there were
> accessibility issues. I don't want this to happen again with the GRE.
> I've looked into all the accessible test prep materials, along with
> the tactile supplements for certain sections. I was just wondering if
> there was anyone on here who had taken the GRE. It would be nice to
> have someone to talk to who has been through the experience of using
> tactile supplements, electronic documents, and other accomedations
> with them.
>
> If there is anyone who would be willing to be my guide of sorts during
> this process, I would grately appreciate the help! My professional
> internship is next school year, so I'm aiming to take the GRE as early
> in the fall semester as possible, so anyone who could give me study
> tips, etc feel free to reach out!
> You can also respond directly to my email address if you would like.
>
> Best,
> Kiana
>
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-- 
Mi So Kwak
University of California, Los Angeles | 2017
Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
(909) 660-1897


From truewise.8614 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 05:43:30 2017
From: truewise.8614 at gmail.com (Vanna Song)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2017 21:43:30 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] GRE Accessible Materials and Study Tips!
In-Reply-To: <CAMe9x_G1cx8SuwS0KaE0J90zwSWD79ns7zorb7xTmqPM-xgNCA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPL27qDRjSAMP69aQ35xikW3zw1TFGfZ6nmGa=zyMz2CfPydgg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMe9x_G1cx8SuwS0KaE0J90zwSWD79ns7zorb7xTmqPM-xgNCA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOrr3bMOzNbxTrk=eMxJEqXncts8fgC7_wjagvEYuaCc7QL89w@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I took the GRE last December as well. How could we best help you?

On 2/26/17, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Kiana I took the GRE in December 2016.
> It seems like you already contacted the ETS and obtained accessible
> prep materials they offer.
> If you are looking for other supplemental materials Bookshare has some
> resources. The quantative sections were not too helpful but verbal
> sections and writing materials were useful and helpful.
>
> I took the GRE with 100% extended time, Braille test materials along
> with tactile supplement, talking scientific calculator provided by the
> ETS, and computer and screen reader for my writing portion.
> If you have any specific questions, please feel free to email me.
>
> Best of luck,
> Miso
>
> On 2/26/17, Kiana Harlan via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hey guys,
>> I've started looking into taking the GRE for grad school. All the grad
>> schools I am planning to apply to require scores. They are also super
>> competitive, since my goal is to get into the accelerated programs. I
>> have the excellent GPA and grades. My only source of nervousness is
>> the GRE.
>> I'm really nervous about this. I bombed the ACT in high school, not
>> because I didn't know the material, but because there were
>> accessibility issues. I don't want this to happen again with the GRE.
>> I've looked into all the accessible test prep materials, along with
>> the tactile supplements for certain sections. I was just wondering if
>> there was anyone on here who had taken the GRE. It would be nice to
>> have someone to talk to who has been through the experience of using
>> tactile supplements, electronic documents, and other accomedations
>> with them.
>>
>> If there is anyone who would be willing to be my guide of sorts during
>> this process, I would grately appreciate the help! My professional
>> internship is next school year, so I'm aiming to take the GRE as early
>> in the fall semester as possible, so anyone who could give me study
>> tips, etc feel free to reach out!
>> You can also respond directly to my email address if you would like.
>>
>> Best,
>> Kiana
>>
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From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 27 11:12:49 2017
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 11:12:49 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] How accessible and disability-friendly is your area
In-Reply-To: <CAO2euMdX4GD+d1hG6-DK3Hw1-eq+7o_bf1VoczvMU-D1jjarog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO2euMdoZ31d8vTSj7-02iNq88hXnaO8+2mPfiYaVcXwAqXHSg@mail.gmail.com>
	<DM5PR1201MB0092BD1BA32827BE3D8AC90CBA540@DM5PR1201MB0092.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>,
	<CAO2euMdX4GD+d1hG6-DK3Hw1-eq+7o_bf1VoczvMU-D1jjarog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CY4PR10MB16690AC09F75B6BE3A401716DC570@CY4PR10MB1669.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

This is a good question, glad you are asking it. Have a good day.



Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 26, 2017, at 18:40, Phil via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Elizabeth,
> Thanks for asking for clarification.
> By accessibility, I mean how accessible it is for a blind or low
> vision person to get around, utilize and enjoy everything your city or
> state has to offer. By disability-friendliness, I am referring to
> people's attitudes towards blind and visually impaired people.
> For example, imagine if one were to decide where to live, or even
> where to spend the next 4 years going away to college, and
> accessibility and disability-friendliness happen to be two of many
> factors a blind or low vision person wants to consider.
> Does it make sense? or is the question still too broad?
> Thanks.
> Best,
> Phil
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 2/26/17, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello Phil,
>> 
>> This sounds like a rather interesting topic discussion for the email list.
>> However, it also seems like a rather broad topic as well. So what exactly do
>> you mean by How accessible and disability-friendly our cities  or states
>> might be? There are different ways to define accessible and
>> disability-friendly, so what types of responses are you looking to receive
>> here on the NABS email list? Providing what you mean by accessible and
>> disability-friendly might help to receive more responses to this question.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> Elizabeth
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Phil via
>> NABS-L
>> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 6:10 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Phil <philso1003 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] How accessible and disability-friendly is your area
>> 
>> Hi guys,
>> How accessible and disability-friendly is your city or state?
>> I was wondering how big the gaps are among different cities and different
>> states.
>> Let's share your view on this.
>> Feel free to complain, or praise. :)
>> Best,
>> Phil
>> 
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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 14:17:59 2017
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster, NABS President)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 09:17:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] REMINDER: Fundraising Committee call tonight at 9pm eastern
Message-ID: <017201d29104$4cb2ab00$e6180100$@gmail.com>

Fellow students,

 

Our lively Fundraising Committee will be meeting tonight at 9pm eastern to
pick up on where we left off two weeks ago. We have a 50th anniversary
Convention to plan, as well as money to raise between now and then to
support our blind students across the nation.

 

If you were not present on the last call, no worries! Our leaders and
members will make sure you are up to speed on the work we are doing. We
appreciate the time and energy you put forth in raising expectations for
blind people and getting involved in various opportunities to support our
movement.

 

Call: 605-475-6700;

  Access code: 7869673.

 

Talk to y'all tonight at 9pm,

Kathryn Webster

Chair | Fundraising Committee

President | National Association of Blind Students


From annis1 at live.marshall.edu  Mon Feb 27 14:27:11 2017
From: annis1 at live.marshall.edu (Annis, Tara)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 14:27:11 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] GRE materials, question about one of the responses
Message-ID: <CY4PR01MB2549B1073271C4954B3D24CAD6570@CY4PR01MB2549.prod.exchangelabs.com>

Hello,

 I'm planning on taking the GRE too, so am glad someone has posed these questions.  For the person who answered about  using a talking calculator provided by ETS: did you get it the day of the test?  I just wondered how easy it  was to learn to use in a short time period.  I thought about requesting to bring my own calc but wasn't sure if this was allowed since I worried about having to memorize the layout of the ubttons of the one ETS provides.  Also, a second question:  how did you all write down the answers for verbal and math?  Did you type them on the laptop as you did for the essays?  Also, it is correct that a blind person should take the paper test, correct; I  would guess the new, electronic    test would not work well with a screen reader, especially the math portion.
For those who did take the paper test, how long did it take to get your scores back?
Lastly, good luck  to those who are planning to take.  I agree that the study materials provided by ETS are good as are the Bookshare materials, that is, the verbal portions as someone else pointed out.  I haven't found any math ones on Bookshare yet.


Thanks,
Tara
Tara Annis
Phone: (304) 942-1119
E-mail: annis1 at live.marshall.edu<mailto:annis1 at live.marshall.edu>
Second E-mail: tannisdanielle at gmail.com<mailto:tannisdanielle at gmail.com>




From ligne14 at verizon.net  Mon Feb 27 14:40:31 2017
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 10:40:31 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Nokia N86 with Talks Needed
Message-ID: <0OM100JXFFFMZFE0@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi Hamid,

I know this is not really a direct answer to your question, but I 
do know that on the iPhone, there are different ways to deal with 
any texture problems.  For example, in the Accessibility 
settings, you can choose between things called Assistive Touch, 
and another one called Touch Accommodations, plus, they also have 
Switch Controls, which (I believe) allow you to simply 
underline/select text that you want by simply moving your finger 
around the phone, although you guys can correct me if I'm wrong.  
I would really recommend an iPhone because you can do so much 
more with it than just calling and texting - you can play games, 
complete assignments, listen to music, get GPS directions, plus 
it always keeps track of your location so it enables you to check 
different things such as the weather and any emergency alerts in 
your area.  Also, that being said and what I just described 
above, in my opinion, Apple really makes sure to accommodate 
people with all kinds of problems through accessibility, which I 
guess is one of the main reasons why it's so popular.

I hope that helps.

Good luck with choosing your phone!

Sami

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Hamid Hamraz via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 26 Feb 2017 21:39:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Nokia N86 with Talks Needed

Hello Folks,



In addition to my vision loss, I have dexterity issues so as I 
couldn't use
Android/Apple touch phones despite trying both for a couple of 
weeks.  So, I
can only use a phone with a keypad and hopefully a strong screen 
reader like
Nokia N86 or similar with Talks.  My old N86 is broken and I am 
looking for
a replacement.  I actually purchased a brand new one from eBay, 
but I found
out that Symbian certificate files can no longer be created after 
2014 or
so.  This means that there is no way to install Talks on the new 
phone.  On
the other hand, I know that many blind folks used to use Nokia 
Symbian
phones with Talks until a couple of years ago, which has now been 
replaced
with Apple or Android phones.  If anybody have an old Nokia phone 
with Talks
and no longer is using it, I will be willing to buy it and 
greatly
appreciate if they can email me off-list at hhamraz at gmail.com.



Also, I think it's a lost cause, but any suggestion on how to get 
the
Symbian certificate files for a new phone is welcome.



Thank you.



Hamid







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From johnniejduran at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 16:31:10 2017
From: johnniejduran at gmail.com (johnnie Jean duran)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 09:31:10 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Graphing Calculator
Message-ID: <CAOiA0SskWt48wf98s4T4Zb00qQFoCau8FJeV+g6wcToKU7aH6A@mail.gmail.com>

Good morning!
In algebra, we are currently working on solving cubic and quadratic
equations. I was wondering if anyone knew of an accessible online
graphing calculator?
Thanks,
JJ

-- 
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North Metro Chapter
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From ka.yat.li at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 16:46:10 2017
From: ka.yat.li at gmail.com (Ka Li)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 11:46:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Graphing Calculator
In-Reply-To: <CAOiA0SskWt48wf98s4T4Zb00qQFoCau8FJeV+g6wcToKU7aH6A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOiA0SskWt48wf98s4T4Zb00qQFoCau8FJeV+g6wcToKU7aH6A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <efa927db-844a-05ca-5f4c-778a57d35169@gmail.com>

Hi:

You can try Desmos Graphing calculator.

https://www.desmos.com/accessibility

When you wish to use the calculator, there's a link at the top of the 
page that will take you to the calculator.

Hope this helps.



On 2/27/2017 11:31 AM, johnnie Jean duran via NABS-L wrote:
> Good morning!
> In algebra, we are currently working on solving cubic and quadratic
> equations. I was wondering if anyone knew of an accessible online
> graphing calculator?
> Thanks,
> JJ
>

-- 
Ka Li



From misokwak12 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 17:10:23 2017
From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 09:10:23 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] GRE materials, question about one of the responses
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR01MB2549B1073271C4954B3D24CAD6570@CY4PR01MB2549.prod.exchangelabs.com>
References: <CY4PR01MB2549B1073271C4954B3D24CAD6570@CY4PR01MB2549.prod.exchangelabs.com>
Message-ID: <CAMe9x_G=XT5jgF2=oUd01FGnOYxJnjuDLDbfB=GXosGD4T6_Mg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tara, yes I used the calculator that ETS provided. I touched the
calculator for the first time on the day of the test. I considered
asking to bring my own calculator but I knew that one I had had too
much function than what they required. ETS actually recommended to
bring my own as a back up but I simply didn't have a calculator that
met ETS regulation in my hand.
The calculator was not a good experience personally because 1 I was
not used to the layout of the keys 2 there was no button that allowed
me to erase just one number. I had to clear all every time I pushed
one key incorrectly. My proctor also was not familiar with the
calculator.
Bottom line is, if you can you should find a calculator of your own
that meets ETS regulation. I also wonder if you can ask them to send
you a calculator in advance so you can practice.

That being said, I was able to bring my personal laptop because the
testing center could not provide a computer with a screen reader for
my essay portion.
You are also required to bring an empty flash drive so the proctor can
transfer your essay and print it out.

To address your question on recording my answers, I had my slate and
stylus to take notes and write my answers. After each section, I told
the proctor what my answers were and the proctor recorded on the
scantron.

Lastly, I took the paper form. I believe there is an accessible
version of the electronic test but I do not have any experience. I
prefer to take the test in Braille for all of my sections so paper
test was the way to go. They said something like 6-8 weeks for my
score but I think my score came out in less than 2 weeks. I took the
test on Dec 11 and got the score some time before or shortly after
Christmas.

Best,
Miso

On 2/27/17, Annis, Tara via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello,
>
>  I'm planning on taking the GRE too, so am glad someone has posed these
> questions.  For the person who answered about  using a talking calculator
> provided by ETS: did you get it the day of the test?  I just wondered how
> easy it  was to learn to use in a short time period.  I thought about
> requesting to bring my own calc but wasn't sure if this was allowed since I
> worried about having to memorize the layout of the ubttons of the one ETS
> provides.  Also, a second question:  how did you all write down the answers
> for verbal and math?  Did you type them on the laptop as you did for the
> essays?  Also, it is correct that a blind person should take the paper test,
> correct; I  would guess the new, electronic    test would not work well with
> a screen reader, especially the math portion.
> For those who did take the paper test, how long did it take to get your
> scores back?
> Lastly, good luck  to those who are planning to take.  I agree that the
> study materials provided by ETS are good as are the Bookshare materials,
> that is, the verbal portions as someone else pointed out.  I haven't found
> any math ones on Bookshare yet.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Tara
> Tara Annis
> Phone: (304) 942-1119
> E-mail: annis1 at live.marshall.edu<mailto:annis1 at live.marshall.edu>
> Second E-mail: tannisdanielle at gmail.com<mailto:tannisdanielle at gmail.com>
>
>
>
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>


-- 
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University of California, Los Angeles | 2017
Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
(909) 660-1897


From zdreicer at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 17:22:15 2017
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 11:22:15 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Graphing Calculator
In-Reply-To: <efa927db-844a-05ca-5f4c-778a57d35169@gmail.com>
References: <CAOiA0SskWt48wf98s4T4Zb00qQFoCau8FJeV+g6wcToKU7aH6A@mail.gmail.com>
	<efa927db-844a-05ca-5f4c-778a57d35169@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8C5B6A15-3399-4585-86A3-B5374F9B7724@gmail.com>

Hi,
   When I had to do those types of equations, I used Audio Graphing Calculator and MathTrax, and the school district paid for a license of AGC. You might look into getting Denver to investigate this purchase. Call or email back with further questions and good luck!
Sent from my Macbook Pro 13

> On Feb 27, 2017, at 10:46, Ka Li via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> 
> You can try Desmos Graphing calculator.
> 
> https://www.desmos.com/accessibility
> 
> When you wish to use the calculator, there's a link at the top of the page that will take you to the calculator.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> 
> 
> On 2/27/2017 11:31 AM, johnnie Jean duran via NABS-L wrote:
>> Good morning!
>> In algebra, we are currently working on solving cubic and quadratic
>> equations. I was wondering if anyone knew of an accessible online
>> graphing calculator?
>> Thanks,
>> JJ
>> 
> 
> -- 
> Ka Li
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 17:22:54 2017
From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 12:22:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] using magnification or screen readers on mobile devices
Message-ID: <00aa01d2911e$21b21110$65163330$@gmail.com>

Hey guys,

I was wondering for those of you who have a little vision, do you use a
screen reader or the built in magnification tool? Do you use a combination
of both? I'm struggling of which to use and would like some opinions. 

 

Thanks,

Aaron Linson 

CEO Blind Faith Project <http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject> 

CEO Linson Productions

 

Aaron Linson 

 


From philso1003 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 18:16:31 2017
From: philso1003 at gmail.com (Phil)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 13:16:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] What would you like to learn?
Message-ID: <CAO2euMeuntqjE6taNFPtpx3bhuOri6E-bSUpwK+9GMzcL6eb7Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I was wondering, is there anything you'd like to learn that is not
being offered by blind agencies?
>From specific tech and software skills to living skills to even dating skills.
If one were to organize a webinar series, what would you like to learn?
Thanks.

Best,
Phil


From brinikki3 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 18:17:17 2017
From: brinikki3 at gmail.com (Brianna's Email)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 13:17:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Independence training
Message-ID: <24AD8846-EF5D-49C1-B8AA-80C3610BFDFA@gmail.com>

Hello everyone, my name is Brianna McDowell. I'm from Georgia, and I am about to graduate this May with my associates degree. My next goal was to continue on to get my bachelors degree, but I was considering independence training. My question is what are the pros and cons of attending a state rehab facility versus a Nfb training centerr?
I'm visiting my state rehab facility next Tuesday but honestly I don't think the state facility is in my best interest. I've heard great things about Lcb and Ccb, but what is your oppinion?
Brianna

From sr0038 at mix.wvu.edu  Mon Feb 27 18:22:04 2017
From: sr0038 at mix.wvu.edu (Suman Rath)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 13:22:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] RE GRE
Message-ID: <CA+STaWmAXkBWpFB0Ls20cnXefpB9vWPRS17DBj5OL8GR05Q1_w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Kiana,

Wonderful to know that you have decided to take the GRE! I took it
last year prior to entering grad school. I have worked with all the
GRE materials by ETS. I also have worked with a few companies outside
towards getting a good score.
I am in a doctoral program that required very good scores to enter.
If I can be of any help, or provide you with tips I would be glad to.
Grad school is an extremely important step towards your career and I
wish you luck as you start this journey.
Do write to me off list if you would like to talk.

My Email ID:
sr0038 at mix.wvu.edu


My telehone is included after the signature.

Warm Regards,
Suan Rath.

Tel: 304-376-6580


From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 18:28:58 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 10:28:58 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] What would you like to learn?
In-Reply-To: <CAO2euMeuntqjE6taNFPtpx3bhuOri6E-bSUpwK+9GMzcL6eb7Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO2euMeuntqjE6taNFPtpx3bhuOri6E-bSUpwK+9GMzcL6eb7Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F5499D11-7012-4126-92AD-C44282F75535@gmail.com>

Hi Phil,
I went to LCB and the 2 aspects of it that I  think people would improve upon learning there are:
Social skills. Some people come with them and some without them and I feel that mine improved more because of my interactions with my friends and their encouragement as opposed to any of the instructors.
Cleaning. We were expceted to clean well, but I feel they could have done a better job of more individual instruction. There were times when we'd be told that these who needed more work would come back to the apartments for individual instruction, but this fell through. It was a case of people coming in groups or noone coming at all. 
Vejas

> On Feb 27, 2017, at 10:16, Phil via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I was wondering, is there anything you'd like to learn that is not
> being offered by blind agencies?
> From specific tech and software skills to living skills to even dating skills.
> If one were to organize a webinar series, what would you like to learn?
> Thanks.
> 
> Best,
> Phil
> 
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 19:11:25 2017
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 14:11:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] GRE materials, question about one of the responses
Message-ID: <58b479e9.9b17370a.3fe5.3fd2@mx.google.com>

ETS will send you a calculator ahead of time to practice with.  I 
took the electronic test.  The screen reader is part of the test 
itself not separate.  They will also provide you with a demo of 
the test software including screen reader and a couple practice 
tests so you can familiarize yourself with how it works.

HTH,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Annis, Tara via NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 14:27:11 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] GRE materials, question about one of the 
responses

Hello,

 I'm planning on taking the GRE too, so am glad someone has posed 
these questions.  For the person who answered about  using a 
talking calculator provided by ETS: did you get it the day of the 
test?  I just wondered how easy it  was to learn to use in a 
short time period.  I thought about requesting to bring my own 
calc but wasn't sure if this was allowed since I worried about 
having to memorize the layout of the ubttons of the one ETS 
provides.  Also, a second question:  how did you all write down 
the answers for verbal and math?  Did you type them on the laptop 
as you did for the essays?  Also, it is correct that a blind 
person should take the paper test, correct; I  would guess the 
new, electronic    test would not work well with a screen reader, 
especially the math portion.
For those who did take the paper test, how long did it take to 
get your scores back?
Lastly, good luck  to those who are planning to take.  I agree 
that the study materials provided by ETS are good as are the 
Bookshare materials, that is, the verbal portions as someone else 
pointed out.  I haven't found any math ones on Bookshare yet.


Thanks,
Tara
Tara Annis
Phone: (304) 942-1119
E-mail: annis1 at live.marshall.edu<mailto:annis1 at live.marshall.edu
Second E-mail: 
tannisdanielle at gmail.com<mailto:tannisdanielle at gmail.com



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From zdreicer at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 19:20:10 2017
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 13:20:10 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Independence training
In-Reply-To: <24AD8846-EF5D-49C1-B8AA-80C3610BFDFA@gmail.com>
References: <24AD8846-EF5D-49C1-B8AA-80C3610BFDFA@gmail.com>
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Although state training centers keep you close to home, LCB, CCB and Blind, INC are the only 3 training centers that teach the philosophy of the NFB. You live with a roommate and practice home and personal management both in and out of the classroom and the home setting, learn Braille and Technology, and cane travel too, all from experienced blind teachers. Also you participate in outdoor recreational and other experiences.
Sent from my Macbook Pro 13

> On Feb 27, 2017, at 12:17, Brianna's Email via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone, my name is Brianna McDowell. I'm from Georgia, and I am about to graduate this May with my associates degree. My next goal was to continue on to get my bachelors degree, but I was considering independence training. My question is what are the pros and cons of attending a state rehab facility versus a Nfb training centerr?
> I'm visiting my state rehab facility next Tuesday but honestly I don't think the state facility is in my best interest. I've heard great things about Lcb and Ccb, but what is your oppinion?
> Brianna
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From kaylaweathers51590 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 19:20:26 2017
From: kaylaweathers51590 at gmail.com (Kayla Weathers)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 14:20:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Independence training
In-Reply-To: <24AD8846-EF5D-49C1-B8AA-80C3610BFDFA@gmail.com>
References: <24AD8846-EF5D-49C1-B8AA-80C3610BFDFA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACNPAB7p5eXtn887G6R3N83jiK=2+jtXJSDkQV4NkHF6+zj3zQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Brianna, congratulations on your impending graduation! I’m from
Georgia as well and took time after my first semester of college to
attend Blindness Learning in New Dimensions (BLIND, INC.) the NFB
training center in Minneapolis, MN. I recently graduated from college
with my B.A. in English Literature and am in the process of applying
to graduate school. As far as the differences between state rehab
facilities versus NFB training centers are concerned, typically state
facilities do not have very high expectations for their students. At
NFB Centers students are taught by competent blind instructors who
have high expectations for them. During my training at BLIND, INC. I
learned to make many dishes from scratch, travel all around the city,
increase my Braille reading speed, use power tools, and many other
tasks that helped me to gain so many skills and so much confidence in
myself. If you have any other questions or just want to talk about
training, feel free to contact me off list. Best of luck with your
endeavors!
Kayla


On 2/27/17, Brianna's Email via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello everyone, my name is Brianna McDowell. I'm from Georgia, and I am
> about to graduate this May with my associates degree. My next goal was to
> continue on to get my bachelors degree, but I was considering independence
> training. My question is what are the pros and cons of attending a state
> rehab facility versus a Nfb training centerr?
> I'm visiting my state rehab facility next Tuesday but honestly I don't think
> the state facility is in my best interest. I've heard great things about Lcb
> and Ccb, but what is your oppinion?
> Brianna
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-- 
Kayla Weathers.
B.A. English Literature
Dalton State College


From laurel.stockard at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 19:25:43 2017
From: laurel.stockard at gmail.com (Laurel)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 13:25:43 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] GRE materials, question about one of the responses
In-Reply-To: <58b479e9.9b17370a.3fe5.3fd2@mx.google.com>
References: <58b479e9.9b17370a.3fe5.3fd2@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAC0sDO6-6ZOakf2PEXREXyVJpmw8VVM0gPu+ZOWtcTKG6oTDdg@mail.gmail.com>

Can someone help me with the requesting accommodations process? I have
tried to figure this out on my own, but the GRE accommodations process
seems very confusing and unclear to me. I don't know what the best way
is to go about getting what I need. I know I can't be the only one who
found this very confusing.
Thanks
Laurel

On 2/27/17, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> ETS will send you a calculator ahead of time to practice with.  I
> took the electronic test.  The screen reader is part of the test
> itself not separate.  They will also provide you with a demo of
> the test software including screen reader and a couple practice
> tests so you can familiarize yourself with how it works.
>
> HTH,
> Karl
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Annis, Tara via NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 14:27:11 +0000
> Subject: [nabs-l] GRE materials, question about one of the
> responses
>
> Hello,
>
>  I'm planning on taking the GRE too, so am glad someone has posed
> these questions.  For the person who answered about  using a
> talking calculator provided by ETS: did you get it the day of the
> test?  I just wondered how easy it  was to learn to use in a
> short time period.  I thought about requesting to bring my own
> calc but wasn't sure if this was allowed since I worried about
> having to memorize the layout of the ubttons of the one ETS
> provides.  Also, a second question:  how did you all write down
> the answers for verbal and math?  Did you type them on the laptop
> as you did for the essays?  Also, it is correct that a blind
> person should take the paper test, correct; I  would guess the
> new, electronic    test would not work well with a screen reader,
> especially the math portion.
> For those who did take the paper test, how long did it take to
> get your scores back?
> Lastly, good luck  to those who are planning to take.  I agree
> that the study materials provided by ETS are good as are the
> Bookshare materials, that is, the verbal portions as someone else
> pointed out.  I haven't found any math ones on Bookshare yet.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Tara
> Tara Annis
> Phone: (304) 942-1119
> E-mail: annis1 at live.marshall.edu<mailto:annis1 at live.marshall.edu
> Second E-mail:
> tannisdanielle at gmail.com<mailto:tannisdanielle at gmail.com
>
>
>
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From philso1003 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 19:40:06 2017
From: philso1003 at gmail.com (Phil)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 14:40:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] What would you like to learn?
In-Reply-To: <F5499D11-7012-4126-92AD-C44282F75535@gmail.com>
References: <CAO2euMeuntqjE6taNFPtpx3bhuOri6E-bSUpwK+9GMzcL6eb7Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<F5499D11-7012-4126-92AD-C44282F75535@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO2euMcG2+i-mrO-o3SOqP=10w8-6mRByr=SDn54y_Bx8xifrg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Vehas. Got it. Social skillsand cleaning.
Please keep yoursuggestions coming everyone.
Last year I organized a workshop series and some seminars included:
how blind and visually impaired artists can promote themselves, web
building and blogging without looking, blind parents choosing the
right diapers and bottles, entrepreneurship how to turn passion into
products, etc.
Thanks.
Phil


On 2/27/17, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Phil,
> I went to LCB and the 2 aspects of it that I  think people would improve
> upon learning there are:
> Social skills. Some people come with them and some without them and I feel
> that mine improved more because of my interactions with my friends and their
> encouragement as opposed to any of the instructors.
> Cleaning. We were expceted to clean well, but I feel they could have done a
> better job of more individual instruction. There were times when we'd be
> told that these who needed more work would come back to the apartments for
> individual instruction, but this fell through. It was a case of people
> coming in groups or noone coming at all.
> Vejas
>
>> On Feb 27, 2017, at 10:16, Phil via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I was wondering, is there anything you'd like to learn that is not
>> being offered by blind agencies?
>> From specific tech and software skills to living skills to even dating
>> skills.
>> If one were to organize a webinar series, what would you like to learn?
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Best,
>> Phil
>>
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 19:53:23 2017
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 14:53:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] GRE materials, question about one of the responses
Message-ID: <58b483bf.e52cc80a.f5d26.e051@mx.google.com>

Try calling ETS disability support.  I found them very helpful.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Laurel via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 13:25:43 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GRE materials, question about one of the 
responses

Can someone help me with the requesting accommodations process? I 
have
tried to figure this out on my own, but the GRE accommodations 
process
seems very confusing and unclear to me. I don't know what the 
best way
is to go about getting what I need. I know I can't be the only 
one who
found this very confusing.
Thanks
Laurel

On 2/27/17, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
wrote:
 ETS will send you a calculator ahead of time to practice with.  
I
 took the electronic test.  The screen reader is part of the test
 itself not separate.  They will also provide you with a demo of
 the test software including screen reader and a couple practice
 tests so you can familiarize yourself with how it works.

 HTH,
 Karl

  ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Annis, Tara via NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 14:27:11 +0000
 Subject: [nabs-l] GRE materials, question about one of the
 responses

 Hello,

  I'm planning on taking the GRE too, so am glad someone has 
posed
 these questions.  For the person who answered about  using a
 talking calculator provided by ETS: did you get it the day of 
the
 test?  I just wondered how easy it  was to learn to use in a
 short time period.  I thought about requesting to bring my own
 calc but wasn't sure if this was allowed since I worried about
 having to memorize the layout of the ubttons of the one ETS
 provides.  Also, a second question:  how did you all write down
 the answers for verbal and math?  Did you type them on the 
laptop
 as you did for the essays?  Also, it is correct that a blind
 person should take the paper test, correct; I  would guess the
 new, electronic    test would not work well with a screen 
reader,
 especially the math portion.
 For those who did take the paper test, how long did it take to
 get your scores back?
 Lastly, good luck  to those who are planning to take.  I agree
 that the study materials provided by ETS are good as are the
 Bookshare materials, that is, the verbal portions as someone 
else
 pointed out.  I haven't found any math ones on Bookshare yet.


 Thanks,
 Tara
 Tara Annis
 Phone: (304) 942-1119
 E-mail: annis1 at live.marshall.edu<mailto:annis1 at live.marshall.edu
 Second E-mail:
 tannisdanielle at gmail.com<mailto:tannisdanielle at gmail.com



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From carlymih at comcast.net  Mon Feb 27 20:13:44 2017
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 12:13:44 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] GRE materials, question about one of the responses
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR01MB2549B1073271C4954B3D24CAD6570@CY4PR01MB2549.prod.
	exchangelabs.com>
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Afternoon, Tara,

         It's Carly Mihalakis, we knew each other at the CCB some 
years ago. We recently spoke, though, at the convention--somebody had 
a phone and they called. was it Sunny? Anyway, how the hell are ya, 
Tara? I live in Berkeley, California.
It might be fun to wrap a little. Don't ya think?
Car
  from the CCBAt 06:27 AM 2/27/2017, you wrote:
>Hello,
>
>  I'm planning on taking the GRE too, so am glad someone has posed 
> these questions.  For the person who answered about  using a 
> talking calculator provided by ETS: did you get it the day of the 
> test?  I just wondered how easy it  was to learn to use in a short 
> time period.  I thought about requesting to bring my own calc but 
> wasn't sure if this was allowed since I worried about having to 
> memorize the layout of the ubttons of the one ETS provides.  Also, 
> a second question:  how did you all write down the answers for 
> verbal and math?  Did you type them on the laptop as you did for 
> the essays?  Also, it is correct that a blind person should take 
> the paper test, correct; I  would guess the new, electronic    test 
> would not work well with a screen reader, especially the math portion.
>For those who did take the paper test, how long did it take to get 
>your scores back?
>Lastly, good luck  to those who are planning to take.  I agree that 
>the study materials provided by ETS are good as are the Bookshare 
>materials, that is, the verbal portions as someone else pointed 
>out.  I haven't found any math ones on Bookshare yet.
>
>
>Thanks,
>Tara
>Tara Annis
>Phone: (304) 942-1119
>E-mail: annis1 at live.marshall.edu<mailto:annis1 at live.marshall.edu>
>Second E-mail: tannisdanielle at gmail.com<mailto:tannisdanielle at gmail.com>
>
>
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From ALewis at nfb.org  Mon Feb 27 22:45:03 2017
From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 22:45:03 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] National Federation of the Blind 2017 Summer Internship
 Program
Message-ID: <DM5PR1701MB17390A59FB3F1625B8D93221C1570@DM5PR1701MB1739.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>

National Federation of the Blind 2017 Summer Internship Program
(https://nfb.org/blog/vonb-blog/national-federation-blind-2017-summer-internship-program)

The National Federation of the Blind (NFB) knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. Since 1940, the members of the National Federation of the Blind have come together in state affiliates and local chapters to share the real life experiences, practical techniques, and innovative strategies we use to transform our dreams into reality. In 2004, we established the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute as the first research and training facility developed and directed by blind people. Fueled by the dreams of the blind of America, the Jernigan Institute is now a leader in creating innovative education programs, accessible technologies, pioneering research projects, and collaborative partnerships that empower the blind to live the lives we want.
As we continue to raise expectations of and for the blind, we realize that we must actively work to empower the next generation of dynamic leaders and innovative thinkers that will dream, develop, and implement the next ground-breaking project or program that changes the lives of all blind people. To that end, we must share our acquired knowledge and life experience with young motivated blind students as they travel their individual paths toward full participation. We seek to accomplish this goal through our National Federation of the Blind Summer Internship Program, a unique learning experience that can only be directed by the National Federation of the Blind.
Our National Federation of the Blind 2017 Summer Internship Program will provide an opportunity for individuals to contribute to the programs of the Federation, while gaining valuable experience at the center of innovation in the blindness field. Our 2017 summer interns will be hosted at the NFB headquarters in Baltimore, Maryland. NFB internships will begin on May 29 and end on August 4, 2017 (ten weeks). NFB summer interns will be provided a stipend and may take advantage of the sleeping accommodations at the NFB Jernigan Institute if necessary. One of the requirements of the internship is participation in program activities at the annual convention of the National Federation of the Blind to be held in Orlando, Florida, from July 10-July 15, 2017.
Our 2017 summer interns will have the opportunity to actively participate in a variety of project and program areas including:
·         Access technology
·         Civil rights and public policy
·         Data management and information technology
·         Education programs
·         Governmental affairs
·         Jacobus tenBroek Library
·         Membership building
·         NFB NEWSLINE® for the Blind
·         Outreach and fundraising
·         Public relations and social media
The National Federation of the Blind Summer Internship Program is like no other. It is filled with unique opportunities for personal and professional growth. The following are some comments from our 2016 summer interns:
Julie: "My experience as an NFB summer intern proved to be more than just a summer job. The various work assignments enhanced my administrative and interpersonal skills. More importantly, the mentoring and support of the leaders of the Federation continue to help me set a path for my future. I continue to grow as a student at the Colorado Center for the Blind, and I look forward to living the life I want."
Michael: "The NFB Summer Internship [Program] was truly a transformative invaluable experience. Having the opportunity to be mentored by a variety of leaders throughout the Federation while working on individual and group projects that impacted the members of the NFB, was a wonderful experience; as a recent college graduate, I decided to continue my personal and professional journey as a student at the Louisiana Center for the Blind."
Jerad: "Learning from our national leaders, developing better communication strategies, and working effectively with a team to accomplish a task are only a few of the benefits I received as an NFB summer intern. The experience was life-changing and helped me acquire personal and professional skills that I will use in my future employment and in my role as a newly elected NFB affiliate president."
If you are interested in applying to be a 2017 summer intern for the National Federation of the Blind, please prepare the following materials and submit them via email in an accessible electronic format to alewis at nfb.org<mailto:alewis at nfb.org> no later than March 10, 2017:
·         A cover letter expressing why you are uniquely qualified for an NFB internship, listing the program area(s) in which you are most interested in gaining experience, and describing the projects that drive your passion in those program area(s). Be sure to include a description of any previous involvement you have had with the Federation. Please feel free to include any innovative new projects that you might want to help initiate during your internship. Also note any scheduling conflicts that would prevent you from being available from May 29 through August 4.
·         A résumé including current contact information.
·         At least two recommendation letters.
We anticipate selecting members of our 2017 internship cohort by April 14, 2017. Questions regarding NFB internships can be directed to Anil Lewis at 410-659-9314, extension 2374, or alewis at nfb.org<mailto:alewis at nfb.org>.
Sincerely,
Anil Lewis, Executive Director
National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute
200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place
Baltimore, Maryland 21230


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From eemcrew at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 23:57:30 2017
From: eemcrew at gmail.com (Ellana Crew)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 18:57:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] using magnification or screen readers on mobile devices
In-Reply-To: <00aa01d2911e$21b21110$65163330$@gmail.com>
References: <00aa01d2911e$21b21110$65163330$@gmail.com>
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Hi Aaron,

I have a fairly moderate amount of residual vision, and I personally have chosen to use the built-in screen reader on my mobile devices. I used to use handheld magnifiers and large font settings before I learned about screen reader software, and when I first learned about them, I was like many with residual vision in my stubbornness against using nonvisual techniques and insisting on using my eyes. After my first exposure to independence training, however, where I was forced to sit down and really learn how the software worked and unlearn my bias assumption that it would be cumbersome and complicated, I was completely hooked and have never gone back since. I personally found using a screen reader to be incredibly freeing and much less strenuous, and as I really learned how to use it efficiently, it also proved to be immensely quicker for me than magnification. It took a little time to learn, but the more I used it in the better I got at it, the more and more quick I got at it and the more natural it felt, and now I don't even have to think about it. I still use a little handheld magnifying glass on occasion to get a good look at a picture or to use an occasional app that isn't accessible, but the vast majority of the time, using a screen reader is much more comfortable and officiant for me. I'm not sure if you have already learned to use the screen reading software on your mobile devices, but I hope this is helpful in some way.

Best,

Ellana Crew, Vice President
Maryland Association of Blind Students
Website: nfbmd.org/students
Facebook: facebook.com/mdabs.federation
Twitter: @MDABS_NFB

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.

> On Feb 27, 2017, at 12:22 PM, Aaron via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> I was wondering for those of you who have a little vision, do you use a
> screen reader or the built in magnification tool? Do you use a combination
> of both? I'm struggling of which to use and would like some opinions. 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Aaron Linson 
> 
> CEO Blind Faith Project <http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject> 
> 
> CEO Linson Productions
> 
> 
> 
> Aaron Linson 
> 
> 
> 
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From sgermano at asu.edu  Tue Feb 28 02:44:37 2017
From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 20:44:37 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] using magnification or screen readers on mobile devices
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I use screen magnification. I use ZoomText if i am using Windows. I don't
like Windows magnifier. When on my mac book I use mac zoom.

On Monday, February 27, 2017, Aaron via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
> I was wondering for those of you who have a little vision, do you use a
> screen reader or the built in magnification tool? Do you use a combination
> of both? I'm struggling of which to use and would like some opinions.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Aaron Linson
>
> CEO Blind Faith Project <http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject>
>
> CEO Linson Productions
>
>
>
> Aaron Linson
>
>
>
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From filerime at gmail.com  Tue Feb 28 06:52:14 2017
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 01:52:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] International Students with Disabilities Needed for a
 Research Study
Message-ID: <CAMtP_9ffLsNrGfzUNUJsuEe-vgyHS+tNnQzeYKd5myO-kNHHqg@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings,
We are conducting a research study about what it means to be an
International Student with a Disability at the Postsecondary Level
(Undergraduate or Graduate) Education in the USA.
The study is open to international students with disabilities who are
•	18 years and older,
•	Hold a J or F visa. If you had obtained Green Card or permanent
residency, this cannot be more than two years prior.
•	Meet the criteria above and graduated within the last year.
•	Reside in the United States while participating in the study.
The purpose of this study is to examine
•	What it means to be a postsecondary level international student with
a disability in the United States.
•	The effect of this experience on psychological well-being.
•	The role of university offices and services on promoting student
well-being and academic achievement for this population.
You will be asked to take a brief survey to provide demographic
information. This may take up to 5 minutes. Then eligible participants
will be interviewed about their experiences as an international
student with a disability. The interview will take 60 to 90 minutes.
It will be conducted over the phone or online. Interviews will be
recorded for transcription. Couple of weeks after the interview,
participants will be asked to review the transcription and the
interpretation of the interview, and have a conversation over the
phone in order to discuss the accuracy of the transcription and
interpretation. Additional questions may be asked for clarification
purposes. This conversation will also be recorded. This may take 30 to
45 minutes.

Any information provided by you will be kept confidential. Results
will be reported as a group. Any identifiers will be removed or
modified. Participating in this study is voluntary. You may also
decide not to continue at any phase of the study.
You will not be paid (or given anything) to take part in this study,
and participating in this research will not provide you any direct
benefits. However, you would help to have information about this
phenomenon. Some questions may make you feel uncomfortable, but you
may skip them.
This research will be conducted by Elif Emir Oksuz, who is a doctoral
student at the University of Cincinnati. She is being supervised by
Michael Brubaker, Ph.D.
This study is approved by University of Cincinnati Institutional Review Board.
For additional information, please contact Elif Emir Oksuz at 513-
617-0479 or email Elif at: emiref at mail.uc.edu.
School of Human Services Counseling Program
If you are eligible and willing to participate please click the link below.
https://cincinnati.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_elDVdPmT2cG6vpb

Please also feel free to share with others who may be eligible. Thanks
in advance.
Elif


From misokwak12 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 28 07:27:33 2017
From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 23:27:33 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] GRE materials, question about one of the responses
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References: <CY4PR01MB2549B1073271C4954B3D24CAD6570@CY4PR01MB2549.prod.exchangelabs.com>
	<58b48906.3c34c80a.69c4.6d02SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAMe9x_FoMdSx16aNb5voW9nQHrQ44AYfvL-bPEzV4+CnASu=uw@mail.gmail.com>

Laurel and all, I remember feeling overwhelmed about the paperwork for
requesting the accommodations too.
Like Carl said, however, you could contact the ETS disability service.
My personal experience with the office has been mixed but I choose to
believe that they want to help students to the best of their
abilities.
I do not have the link or file in front of me but if you look around
the web site you should be able to find document that needs to be
filled out. I got help from my university's Center for Accessible
Education in filling out the paperwork.

Best,
Miso

On 2/27/17, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Afternoon, Tara,
>
>          It's Carly Mihalakis, we knew each other at the CCB some
> years ago. We recently spoke, though, at the convention--somebody had
> a phone and they called. was it Sunny? Anyway, how the hell are ya,
> Tara? I live in Berkeley, California.
> It might be fun to wrap a little. Don't ya think?
> Car
>   from the CCBAt 06:27 AM 2/27/2017, you wrote:
>>Hello,
>>
>>  I'm planning on taking the GRE too, so am glad someone has posed
>> these questions.  For the person who answered about  using a
>> talking calculator provided by ETS: did you get it the day of the
>> test?  I just wondered how easy it  was to learn to use in a short
>> time period.  I thought about requesting to bring my own calc but
>> wasn't sure if this was allowed since I worried about having to
>> memorize the layout of the ubttons of the one ETS provides.  Also,
>> a second question:  how did you all write down the answers for
>> verbal and math?  Did you type them on the laptop as you did for
>> the essays?  Also, it is correct that a blind person should take
>> the paper test, correct; I  would guess the new, electronic    test
>> would not work well with a screen reader, especially the math portion.
>>For those who did take the paper test, how long did it take to get
>>your scores back?
>>Lastly, good luck  to those who are planning to take.  I agree that
>>the study materials provided by ETS are good as are the Bookshare
>>materials, that is, the verbal portions as someone else pointed
>>out.  I haven't found any math ones on Bookshare yet.
>>
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Tara
>>Tara Annis
>>Phone: (304) 942-1119
>>E-mail: annis1 at live.marshall.edu<mailto:annis1 at live.marshall.edu>
>>Second E-mail: tannisdanielle at gmail.com<mailto:tannisdanielle at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>>
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-- 
Mi So Kwak
University of California, Los Angeles | 2017
Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
(909) 660-1897


From sr0038 at mix.wvu.edu  Tue Feb 28 14:33:23 2017
From: sr0038 at mix.wvu.edu (Suman Rath)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 09:33:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Re GRE materials,
 question about one of the responses (Annis, Tara)
Message-ID: <CA+STaWm7J1q2Rgp6ZU6P9uMDPtG0Y_2AUhtXhmRWz-QGH2Um1A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
I used a site called Magoosh for my prep. It really worked for me at
least the verbal preparation and audio lectures.
The guys at Magoosh are also very helpful.

Good luck to all!

Regards,
Suman.

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>    2. GRE materials, question about one of the responses (Annis, Tara)
>    3. Re: Nokia N86 with Talks Needed (Sami Osborne)
>    4. Graphing Calculator (johnnie Jean duran)
>    5. Re: Graphing Calculator (Ka Li)
>    6. Re: GRE materials, question about one of the responses (Miso Kwak)
>    7. Re: Graphing Calculator (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
>    8. using magnification or screen readers on mobile devices (Aaron)
>    9. What would you like to learn? (Phil)
>   10. Independence training (Brianna's Email)
>   11. RE GRE (Suman Rath)
>   12. Re: What would you like to learn? (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
>   13. Re: GRE materials, question about one of the responses
>       (Karl Martin Adam)
>   14. Re: Independence training (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
>   15. Re: Independence training (Kayla Weathers)
>   16. Re: GRE materials, question about one of the responses (Laurel)
>   17. Re: What would you like to learn? (Phil)
>   18. Re: GRE materials, question about one of the responses
>       (Karl Martin Adam)
>   19. Re: GRE materials, question about one of the responses
>       (Carly Mihalakis)
>   20. National Federation of the Blind 2017 Summer Internship
>       Program (Lewis, Anil)
>   21. Re: using magnification or screen readers on mobile devices
>       (Ellana Crew)
>   22. Re: using magnification or screen readers on mobile devices
>       (Suzanne Germano)
>   23. International Students with Disabilities Needed for a
>       Research Study (Elif Emir ?ks?z)
>   24. Re: GRE materials, question about one of the responses (Miso Kwak)
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 09:17:59 -0500
> From: "Kathryn Webster, NABS President" <nabs.president at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] REMINDER: Fundraising Committee call tonight at 9pm
> 	eastern
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> Fellow students,
>
>
>
> Our lively Fundraising Committee will be meeting tonight at 9pm eastern to
> pick up on where we left off two weeks ago. We have a 50th anniversary
> Convention to plan, as well as money to raise between now and then to
> support our blind students across the nation.
>
>
>
> If you were not present on the last call, no worries! Our leaders and
> members will make sure you are up to speed on the work we are doing. We
> appreciate the time and energy you put forth in raising expectations for
> blind people and getting involved in various opportunities to support our
> movement.
>
>
>
> Call: 605-475-6700;
>
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>
>
>
> Talk to y'all tonight at 9pm,
>
> Kathryn Webster
>
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>
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>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 14:27:11 +0000
> From: "Annis, Tara" <annis1 at live.marshall.edu>
> To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] GRE materials, question about one of the responses
> Message-ID:
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> 	
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hello,
>
>  I'm planning on taking the GRE too, so am glad someone has posed these
> questions.  For the person who answered about  using a talking calculator
> provided by ETS: did you get it the day of the test?  I just wondered how
> easy it  was to learn to use in a short time period.  I thought about
> requesting to bring my own calc but wasn't sure if this was allowed since I
> worried about having to memorize the layout of the ubttons of the one ETS
> provides.  Also, a second question:  how did you all write down the answers
> for verbal and math?  Did you type them on the laptop as you did for the
> essays?  Also, it is correct that a blind person should take the paper test,
> correct; I  would guess the new, electronic    test would not work well with
> a screen reader, especially the math portion.
> For those who did take the paper test, how long did it take to get your
> scores back?
> Lastly, good luck  to those who are planning to take.  I agree that the
> study materials provided by ETS are good as are the Bookshare materials,
> that is, the verbal portions as someone else pointed out.  I haven't found
> any math ones on Bookshare yet.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Tara
> Tara Annis
> Phone: (304) 942-1119
> E-mail: annis1 at live.marshall.edu<mailto:annis1 at live.marshall.edu>
> Second E-mail: tannisdanielle at gmail.com<mailto:tannisdanielle at gmail.com>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 10:40:31 -0400
> From: Sami Osborne <ligne14 at verizon.net>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
> 	list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Nokia N86 with Talks Needed
> Message-ID: <0OM100JXFFFMZFE0 at vms173013.mailsrvcs.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hi Hamid,
>
> I know this is not really a direct answer to your question, but I
> do know that on the iPhone, there are different ways to deal with
> any texture problems.  For example, in the Accessibility
> settings, you can choose between things called Assistive Touch,
> and another one called Touch Accommodations, plus, they also have
> Switch Controls, which (I believe) allow you to simply
> underline/select text that you want by simply moving your finger
> around the phone, although you guys can correct me if I'm wrong.
> I would really recommend an iPhone because you can do so much
> more with it than just calling and texting - you can play games,
> complete assignments, listen to music, get GPS directions, plus
> it always keeps track of your location so it enables you to check
> different things such as the weather and any emergency alerts in
> your area.  Also, that being said and what I just described
> above, in my opinion, Apple really makes sure to accommodate
> people with all kinds of problems through accessibility, which I
> guess is one of the main reasons why it's so popular.
>
> I hope that helps.
>
> Good luck with choosing your phone!
>
> Sami
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Hamid Hamraz via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 26 Feb 2017 21:39:08 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] Nokia N86 with Talks Needed
>
> Hello Folks,
>
>
>
> In addition to my vision loss, I have dexterity issues so as I
> couldn't use
> Android/Apple touch phones despite trying both for a couple of
> weeks.  So, I
> can only use a phone with a keypad and hopefully a strong screen
> reader like
> Nokia N86 or similar with Talks.  My old N86 is broken and I am
> looking for
> a replacement.  I actually purchased a brand new one from eBay,
> but I found
> out that Symbian certificate files can no longer be created after
> 2014 or
> so.  This means that there is no way to install Talks on the new
> phone.  On
> the other hand, I know that many blind folks used to use Nokia
> Symbian
> phones with Talks until a couple of years ago, which has now been
> replaced
> with Apple or Android phones.  If anybody have an old Nokia phone
> with Talks
> and no longer is using it, I will be willing to buy it and
> greatly
> appreciate if they can email me off-list at hhamraz at gmail.com.
>
>
>
> Also, I think it's a lost cause, but any suggestion on how to get
> the
> Symbian certificate files for a new phone is welcome.
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> Hamid
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 09:31:10 -0700
> From: johnnie Jean duran <johnniejduran at gmail.com>
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Graphing Calculator
> Message-ID:
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>
> Good morning!
> In algebra, we are currently working on solving cubic and quadratic
> equations. I was wondering if anyone knew of an accessible online
> graphing calculator?
> Thanks,
> JJ
>
> --
> Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran
> http://www.gofundme.com/jjd-grad-fund
> Secretary
> North Metro Chapter
> http://www.facebook.com/northmetrochapter
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 11:46:10 -0500
> From: Ka Li <ka.yat.li at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Graphing Calculator
> Message-ID: <efa927db-844a-05ca-5f4c-778a57d35169 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
> Hi:
>
> You can try Desmos Graphing calculator.
>
> https://www.desmos.com/accessibility
>
> When you wish to use the calculator, there's a link at the top of the
> page that will take you to the calculator.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
>
> On 2/27/2017 11:31 AM, johnnie Jean duran via NABS-L wrote:
>> Good morning!
>> In algebra, we are currently working on solving cubic and quadratic
>> equations. I was wondering if anyone knew of an accessible online
>> graphing calculator?
>> Thanks,
>> JJ
>>
>
> --
> Ka Li
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 09:10:23 -0800
> From: Miso Kwak <misokwak12 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GRE materials, question about one of the
> 	responses
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Hi Tara, yes I used the calculator that ETS provided. I touched the
> calculator for the first time on the day of the test. I considered
> asking to bring my own calculator but I knew that one I had had too
> much function than what they required. ETS actually recommended to
> bring my own as a back up but I simply didn't have a calculator that
> met ETS regulation in my hand.
> The calculator was not a good experience personally because 1 I was
> not used to the layout of the keys 2 there was no button that allowed
> me to erase just one number. I had to clear all every time I pushed
> one key incorrectly. My proctor also was not familiar with the
> calculator.
> Bottom line is, if you can you should find a calculator of your own
> that meets ETS regulation. I also wonder if you can ask them to send
> you a calculator in advance so you can practice.
>
> That being said, I was able to bring my personal laptop because the
> testing center could not provide a computer with a screen reader for
> my essay portion.
> You are also required to bring an empty flash drive so the proctor can
> transfer your essay and print it out.
>
> To address your question on recording my answers, I had my slate and
> stylus to take notes and write my answers. After each section, I told
> the proctor what my answers were and the proctor recorded on the
> scantron.
>
> Lastly, I took the paper form. I believe there is an accessible
> version of the electronic test but I do not have any experience. I
> prefer to take the test in Braille for all of my sections so paper
> test was the way to go. They said something like 6-8 weeks for my
> score but I think my score came out in less than 2 weeks. I took the
> test on Dec 11 and got the score some time before or shortly after
> Christmas.
>
> Best,
> Miso
>
> On 2/27/17, Annis, Tara via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>>  I'm planning on taking the GRE too, so am glad someone has posed these
>> questions.  For the person who answered about  using a talking calculator
>> provided by ETS: did you get it the day of the test?  I just wondered how
>> easy it  was to learn to use in a short time period.  I thought about
>> requesting to bring my own calc but wasn't sure if this was allowed since
>> I
>> worried about having to memorize the layout of the ubttons of the one ETS
>> provides.  Also, a second question:  how did you all write down the
>> answers
>> for verbal and math?  Did you type them on the laptop as you did for the
>> essays?  Also, it is correct that a blind person should take the paper
>> test,
>> correct; I  would guess the new, electronic    test would not work well
>> with
>> a screen reader, especially the math portion.
>> For those who did take the paper test, how long did it take to get your
>> scores back?
>> Lastly, good luck  to those who are planning to take.  I agree that the
>> study materials provided by ETS are good as are the Bookshare materials,
>> that is, the verbal portions as someone else pointed out.  I haven't
>> found
>> any math ones on Bookshare yet.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tara
>> Tara Annis
>> Phone: (304) 942-1119
>> E-mail: annis1 at live.marshall.edu<mailto:annis1 at live.marshall.edu>
>> Second E-mail: tannisdanielle at gmail.com<mailto:tannisdanielle at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/misokwak12%40gmail.com
>>
>
>
> --
> Mi So Kwak
> University of California, Los Angeles | 2017
> Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
> (909) 660-1897
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 11:22:15 -0600
> From: "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer" <zdreicer at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Graphing Calculator
> Message-ID: <8C5B6A15-3399-4585-86A3-B5374F9B7724 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Hi,
>    When I had to do those types of equations, I used Audio Graphing
> Calculator and MathTrax, and the school district paid for a license of AGC.
> You might look into getting Denver to investigate this purchase. Call or
> email back with further questions and good luck!
> Sent from my Macbook Pro 13
>
>> On Feb 27, 2017, at 10:46, Ka Li via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi:
>>
>> You can try Desmos Graphing calculator.
>>
>> https://www.desmos.com/accessibility
>>
>> When you wish to use the calculator, there's a link at the top of the page
>> that will take you to the calculator.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/27/2017 11:31 AM, johnnie Jean duran via NABS-L wrote:
>>> Good morning!
>>> In algebra, we are currently working on solving cubic and quadratic
>>> equations. I was wondering if anyone knew of an accessible online
>>> graphing calculator?
>>> Thanks,
>>> JJ
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Ka Li
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 12:22:54 -0500
> From: "Aaron" <blindgeek1989 at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] using magnification or screen readers on mobile
> 	devices
> Message-ID: <00aa01d2911e$21b21110$65163330$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hey guys,
>
> I was wondering for those of you who have a little vision, do you use a
> screen reader or the built in magnification tool? Do you use a combination
> of both? I'm struggling of which to use and would like some opinions.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Aaron Linson
>
> CEO Blind Faith Project <http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject>
>
> CEO Linson Productions
>
>
>
> Aaron Linson
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 13:16:31 -0500
> From: Phil <philso1003 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] What would you like to learn?
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAO2euMeuntqjE6taNFPtpx3bhuOri6E-bSUpwK+9GMzcL6eb7Q at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Hi all,
>
> I was wondering, is there anything you'd like to learn that is not
> being offered by blind agencies?
> >From specific tech and software skills to living skills to even dating
> skills.
> If one were to organize a webinar series, what would you like to learn?
> Thanks.
>
> Best,
> Phil
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 13:17:17 -0500
> From: Brianna's Email <brinikki3 at gmail.com>
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Independence training
> Message-ID: <24AD8846-EF5D-49C1-B8AA-80C3610BFDFA at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii
>
> Hello everyone, my name is Brianna McDowell. I'm from Georgia, and I am
> about to graduate this May with my associates degree. My next goal was to
> continue on to get my bachelors degree, but I was considering independence
> training. My question is what are the pros and cons of attending a state
> rehab facility versus a Nfb training centerr?
> I'm visiting my state rehab facility next Tuesday but honestly I don't think
> the state facility is in my best interest. I've heard great things about Lcb
> and Ccb, but what is your oppinion?
> Brianna
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 13:22:04 -0500
> From: Suman Rath <sr0038 at mix.wvu.edu>
> To: carolinarose422 at gmail.com
> Cc: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] RE GRE
> Message-ID:
> 	<CA+STaWmAXkBWpFB0Ls20cnXefpB9vWPRS17DBj5OL8GR05Q1_w at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Hi Kiana,
>
> Wonderful to know that you have decided to take the GRE! I took it
> last year prior to entering grad school. I have worked with all the
> GRE materials by ETS. I also have worked with a few companies outside
> towards getting a good score.
> I am in a doctoral program that required very good scores to enter.
> If I can be of any help, or provide you with tips I would be glad to.
> Grad school is an extremely important step towards your career and I
> wish you luck as you start this journey.
> Do write to me off list if you would like to talk.
>
> My Email ID:
> sr0038 at mix.wvu.edu
>
>
> My telehone is included after the signature.
>
> Warm Regards,
> Suan Rath.
>
> Tel: 304-376-6580
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 10:28:58 -0800
> From: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What would you like to learn?
> Message-ID: <F5499D11-7012-4126-92AD-C44282F75535 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii
>
> Hi Phil,
> I went to LCB and the 2 aspects of it that I  think people would improve
> upon learning there are:
> Social skills. Some people come with them and some without them and I feel
> that mine improved more because of my interactions with my friends and their
> encouragement as opposed to any of the instructors.
> Cleaning. We were expceted to clean well, but I feel they could have done a
> better job of more individual instruction. There were times when we'd be
> told that these who needed more work would come back to the apartments for
> individual instruction, but this fell through. It was a case of people
> coming in groups or noone coming at all.
> Vejas
>
>> On Feb 27, 2017, at 10:16, Phil via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I was wondering, is there anything you'd like to learn that is not
>> being offered by blind agencies?
>> From specific tech and software skills to living skills to even dating
>> skills.
>> If one were to organize a webinar series, what would you like to learn?
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Best,
>> Phil
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 14:11:25 -0500
> From: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
> 	list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GRE materials, question about one of the
> 	responses
> Message-ID: <58b479e9.9b17370a.3fe5.3fd2 at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> ETS will send you a calculator ahead of time to practice with.  I
> took the electronic test.  The screen reader is part of the test
> itself not separate.  They will also provide you with a demo of
> the test software including screen reader and a couple practice
> tests so you can familiarize yourself with how it works.
>
> HTH,
> Karl
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Annis, Tara via NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 14:27:11 +0000
> Subject: [nabs-l] GRE materials, question about one of the
> responses
>
> Hello,
>
>  I'm planning on taking the GRE too, so am glad someone has posed
> these questions.  For the person who answered about  using a
> talking calculator provided by ETS: did you get it the day of the
> test?  I just wondered how easy it  was to learn to use in a
> short time period.  I thought about requesting to bring my own
> calc but wasn't sure if this was allowed since I worried about
> having to memorize the layout of the ubttons of the one ETS
> provides.  Also, a second question:  how did you all write down
> the answers for verbal and math?  Did you type them on the laptop
> as you did for the essays?  Also, it is correct that a blind
> person should take the paper test, correct; I  would guess the
> new, electronic    test would not work well with a screen reader,
> especially the math portion.
> For those who did take the paper test, how long did it take to
> get your scores back?
> Lastly, good luck  to those who are planning to take.  I agree
> that the study materials provided by ETS are good as are the
> Bookshare materials, that is, the verbal portions as someone else
> pointed out.  I haven't found any math ones on Bookshare yet.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Tara
> Tara Annis
> Phone: (304) 942-1119
> E-mail: annis1 at live.marshall.edu<mailto:annis1 at live.marshall.edu
> Second E-mail:
> tannisdanielle at gmail.com<mailto:tannisdanielle at gmail.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
> for NABS-L:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma
> il.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 13:20:10 -0600
> From: "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer" <zdreicer at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Brianna's Email <brinikki3 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Independence training
> Message-ID: <8674533F-1B83-4779-A168-987FB8EAF569 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Although state training centers keep you close to home, LCB, CCB and Blind,
> INC are the only 3 training centers that teach the philosophy of the NFB.
> You live with a roommate and practice home and personal management both in
> and out of the classroom and the home setting, learn Braille and Technology,
> and cane travel too, all from experienced blind teachers. Also you
> participate in outdoor recreational and other experiences.
> Sent from my Macbook Pro 13
>
>> On Feb 27, 2017, at 12:17, Brianna's Email via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone, my name is Brianna McDowell. I'm from Georgia, and I am
>> about to graduate this May with my associates degree. My next goal was to
>> continue on to get my bachelors degree, but I was considering independence
>> training. My question is what are the pros and cons of attending a state
>> rehab facility versus a Nfb training centerr?
>> I'm visiting my state rehab facility next Tuesday but honestly I don't
>> think the state facility is in my best interest. I've heard great things
>> about Lcb and Ccb, but what is your oppinion?
>> Brianna
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 14:20:26 -0500
> From: Kayla Weathers <kaylaweathers51590 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Independence training
> Message-ID:
> 	<CACNPAB7p5eXtn887G6R3N83jiK=2+jtXJSDkQV4NkHF6+zj3zQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Hi Brianna, congratulations on your impending graduation! I?m from
> Georgia as well and took time after my first semester of college to
> attend Blindness Learning in New Dimensions (BLIND, INC.) the NFB
> training center in Minneapolis, MN. I recently graduated from college
> with my B.A. in English Literature and am in the process of applying
> to graduate school. As far as the differences between state rehab
> facilities versus NFB training centers are concerned, typically state
> facilities do not have very high expectations for their students. At
> NFB Centers students are taught by competent blind instructors who
> have high expectations for them. During my training at BLIND, INC. I
> learned to make many dishes from scratch, travel all around the city,
> increase my Braille reading speed, use power tools, and many other
> tasks that helped me to gain so many skills and so much confidence in
> myself. If you have any other questions or just want to talk about
> training, feel free to contact me off list. Best of luck with your
> endeavors!
> Kayla
>
>
> On 2/27/17, Brianna's Email via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello everyone, my name is Brianna McDowell. I'm from Georgia, and I am
>> about to graduate this May with my associates degree. My next goal was to
>> continue on to get my bachelors degree, but I was considering
>> independence
>> training. My question is what are the pros and cons of attending a state
>> rehab facility versus a Nfb training centerr?
>> I'm visiting my state rehab facility next Tuesday but honestly I don't
>> think
>> the state facility is in my best interest. I've heard great things about
>> Lcb
>> and Ccb, but what is your oppinion?
>> Brianna
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaylaweathers51590%40gmail.com
>>
>
>
> --
> Kayla Weathers.
> B.A. English Literature
> Dalton State College
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 13:25:43 -0600
> From: Laurel <laurel.stockard at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GRE materials, question about one of the
> 	responses
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAC0sDO6-6ZOakf2PEXREXyVJpmw8VVM0gPu+ZOWtcTKG6oTDdg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Can someone help me with the requesting accommodations process? I have
> tried to figure this out on my own, but the GRE accommodations process
> seems very confusing and unclear to me. I don't know what the best way
> is to go about getting what I need. I know I can't be the only one who
> found this very confusing.
> Thanks
> Laurel
>
> On 2/27/17, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> ETS will send you a calculator ahead of time to practice with.  I
>> took the electronic test.  The screen reader is part of the test
>> itself not separate.  They will also provide you with a demo of
>> the test software including screen reader and a couple practice
>> tests so you can familiarize yourself with how it works.
>>
>> HTH,
>> Karl
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Annis, Tara via NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 14:27:11 +0000
>> Subject: [nabs-l] GRE materials, question about one of the
>> responses
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>>  I'm planning on taking the GRE too, so am glad someone has posed
>> these questions.  For the person who answered about  using a
>> talking calculator provided by ETS: did you get it the day of the
>> test?  I just wondered how easy it  was to learn to use in a
>> short time period.  I thought about requesting to bring my own
>> calc but wasn't sure if this was allowed since I worried about
>> having to memorize the layout of the ubttons of the one ETS
>> provides.  Also, a second question:  how did you all write down
>> the answers for verbal and math?  Did you type them on the laptop
>> as you did for the essays?  Also, it is correct that a blind
>> person should take the paper test, correct; I  would guess the
>> new, electronic    test would not work well with a screen reader,
>> especially the math portion.
>> For those who did take the paper test, how long did it take to
>> get your scores back?
>> Lastly, good luck  to those who are planning to take.  I agree
>> that the study materials provided by ETS are good as are the
>> Bookshare materials, that is, the verbal portions as someone else
>> pointed out.  I haven't found any math ones on Bookshare yet.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tara
>> Tara Annis
>> Phone: (304) 942-1119
>> E-mail: annis1 at live.marshall.edu<mailto:annis1 at live.marshall.edu
>> Second E-mail:
>> tannisdanielle at gmail.com<mailto:tannisdanielle at gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>> for NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma
>> il.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 14:40:06 -0500
> From: Phil <philso1003 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What would you like to learn?
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAO2euMcG2+i-mrO-o3SOqP=10w8-6mRByr=SDn54y_Bx8xifrg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Thanks Vehas. Got it. Social skillsand cleaning.
> Please keep yoursuggestions coming everyone.
> Last year I organized a workshop series and some seminars included:
> how blind and visually impaired artists can promote themselves, web
> building and blogging without looking, blind parents choosing the
> right diapers and bottles, entrepreneurship how to turn passion into
> products, etc.
> Thanks.
> Phil
>
>
> On 2/27/17, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Phil,
>> I went to LCB and the 2 aspects of it that I  think people would improve
>> upon learning there are:
>> Social skills. Some people come with them and some without them and I
>> feel
>> that mine improved more because of my interactions with my friends and
>> their
>> encouragement as opposed to any of the instructors.
>> Cleaning. We were expceted to clean well, but I feel they could have done
>> a
>> better job of more individual instruction. There were times when we'd be
>> told that these who needed more work would come back to the apartments
>> for
>> individual instruction, but this fell through. It was a case of people
>> coming in groups or noone coming at all.
>> Vejas
>>
>>> On Feb 27, 2017, at 10:16, Phil via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I was wondering, is there anything you'd like to learn that is not
>>> being offered by blind agencies?
>>> From specific tech and software skills to living skills to even dating
>>> skills.
>>> If one were to organize a webinar series, what would you like to learn?
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Phil
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> NABS-L:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/philso1003%40gmail.com
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 14:53:23 -0500
> From: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
> 	list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GRE materials, question about one of the
> 	responses
> Message-ID: <58b483bf.e52cc80a.f5d26.e051 at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Try calling ETS disability support.  I found them very helpful.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Laurel via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 13:25:43 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GRE materials, question about one of the
> responses
>
> Can someone help me with the requesting accommodations process? I
> have
> tried to figure this out on my own, but the GRE accommodations
> process
> seems very confusing and unclear to me. I don't know what the
> best way
> is to go about getting what I need. I know I can't be the only
> one who
> found this very confusing.
> Thanks
> Laurel
>
> On 2/27/17, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>  ETS will send you a calculator ahead of time to practice with.
> I
>  took the electronic test.  The screen reader is part of the test
>  itself not separate.  They will also provide you with a demo of
>  the test software including screen reader and a couple practice
>  tests so you can familiarize yourself with how it works.
>
>  HTH,
>  Karl
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Annis, Tara via NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  Date sent: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 14:27:11 +0000
>  Subject: [nabs-l] GRE materials, question about one of the
>  responses
>
>  Hello,
>
>   I'm planning on taking the GRE too, so am glad someone has
> posed
>  these questions.  For the person who answered about  using a
>  talking calculator provided by ETS: did you get it the day of
> the
>  test?  I just wondered how easy it  was to learn to use in a
>  short time period.  I thought about requesting to bring my own
>  calc but wasn't sure if this was allowed since I worried about
>  having to memorize the layout of the ubttons of the one ETS
>  provides.  Also, a second question:  how did you all write down
>  the answers for verbal and math?  Did you type them on the
> laptop
>  as you did for the essays?  Also, it is correct that a blind
>  person should take the paper test, correct; I  would guess the
>  new, electronic    test would not work well with a screen
> reader,
>  especially the math portion.
>  For those who did take the paper test, how long did it take to
>  get your scores back?
>  Lastly, good luck  to those who are planning to take.  I agree
>  that the study materials provided by ETS are good as are the
>  Bookshare materials, that is, the verbal portions as someone
> else
>  pointed out.  I haven't found any math ones on Bookshare yet.
>
>
>  Thanks,
>  Tara
>  Tara Annis
>  Phone: (304) 942-1119
>  E-mail: annis1 at live.marshall.edu<mailto:annis1 at live.marshall.edu
>  Second E-mail:
>  tannisdanielle at gmail.com<mailto:tannisdanielle at gmail.com
>
>
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> Message: 19
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 12:13:44 -0800
> From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GRE materials, question about one of the
> 	responses
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> Afternoon, Tara,
>
>          It's Carly Mihalakis, we knew each other at the CCB some
> years ago. We recently spoke, though, at the convention--somebody had
> a phone and they called. was it Sunny? Anyway, how the hell are ya,
> Tara? I live in Berkeley, California.
> It might be fun to wrap a little. Don't ya think?
> Car
>   from the CCBAt 06:27 AM 2/27/2017, you wrote:
>>Hello,
>>
>>  I'm planning on taking the GRE too, so am glad someone has posed
>> these questions.  For the person who answered about  using a
>> talking calculator provided by ETS: did you get it the day of the
>> test?  I just wondered how easy it  was to learn to use in a short
>> time period.  I thought about requesting to bring my own calc but
>> wasn't sure if this was allowed since I worried about having to
>> memorize the layout of the ubttons of the one ETS provides.  Also,
>> a second question:  how did you all write down the answers for
>> verbal and math?  Did you type them on the laptop as you did for
>> the essays?  Also, it is correct that a blind person should take
>> the paper test, correct; I  would guess the new, electronic    test
>> would not work well with a screen reader, especially the math portion.
>>For those who did take the paper test, how long did it take to get
>>your scores back?
>>Lastly, good luck  to those who are planning to take.  I agree that
>>the study materials provided by ETS are good as are the Bookshare
>>materials, that is, the verbal portions as someone else pointed
>>out.  I haven't found any math ones on Bookshare yet.
>>
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Tara
>>Tara Annis
>>Phone: (304) 942-1119
>>E-mail: annis1 at live.marshall.edu<mailto:annis1 at live.marshall.edu>
>>Second E-mail: tannisdanielle at gmail.com<mailto:tannisdanielle at gmail.com>
>>
>>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 22:45:03 +0000
> From: "Lewis, Anil" <ALewis at nfb.org>
> To: "NABS List (nabs-l at nfbnet.org)" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] National Federation of the Blind 2017 Summer
> 	Internship Program
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> National Federation of the Blind 2017 Summer Internship Program
> (https://nfb.org/blog/vonb-blog/national-federation-blind-2017-summer-internship-program)
>
> The National Federation of the Blind (NFB) knows that blindness is not the
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
> between blind people and our dreams. Since 1940, the members of the National
> Federation of the Blind have come together in state affiliates and local
> chapters to share the real life experiences, practical techniques, and
> innovative strategies we use to transform our dreams into reality. In 2004,
> we established the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute as
> the first research and training facility developed and directed by blind
> people. Fueled by the dreams of the blind of America, the Jernigan Institute
> is now a leader in creating innovative education programs, accessible
> technologies, pioneering research projects, and collaborative partnerships
> that empower the blind to live the lives we want.
> As we continue to raise expectations of and for the blind, we realize that
> we must actively work to empower the next generation of dynamic leaders and
> innovative thinkers that will dream, develop, and implement the next
> ground-breaking project or program that changes the lives of all blind
> people. To that end, we must share our acquired knowledge and life
> experience with young motivated blind students as they travel their
> individual paths toward full participation. We seek to accomplish this goal
> through our National Federation of the Blind Summer Internship Program, a
> unique learning experience that can only be directed by the National
> Federation of the Blind.
> Our National Federation of the Blind 2017 Summer Internship Program will
> provide an opportunity for individuals to contribute to the programs of the
> Federation, while gaining valuable experience at the center of innovation in
> the blindness field. Our 2017 summer interns will be hosted at the NFB
> headquarters in Baltimore, Maryland. NFB internships will begin on May 29
> and end on August 4, 2017 (ten weeks). NFB summer interns will be provided a
> stipend and may take advantage of the sleeping accommodations at the NFB
> Jernigan Institute if necessary. One of the requirements of the internship
> is participation in program activities at the annual convention of the
> National Federation of the Blind to be held in Orlando, Florida, from July
> 10-July 15, 2017.
> Our 2017 summer interns will have the opportunity to actively participate in
> a variety of project and program areas including:
> ?         Access technology
> ?         Civil rights and public policy
> ?         Data management and information technology
> ?         Education programs
> ?         Governmental affairs
> ?         Jacobus tenBroek Library
> ?         Membership building
> ?         NFB NEWSLINE? for the Blind
> ?         Outreach and fundraising
> ?         Public relations and social media
> The National Federation of the Blind Summer Internship Program is like no
> other. It is filled with unique opportunities for personal and professional
> growth. The following are some comments from our 2016 summer interns:
> Julie: "My experience as an NFB summer intern proved to be more than just a
> summer job. The various work assignments enhanced my administrative and
> interpersonal skills. More importantly, the mentoring and support of the
> leaders of the Federation continue to help me set a path for my future. I
> continue to grow as a student at the Colorado Center for the Blind, and I
> look forward to living the life I want."
> Michael: "The NFB Summer Internship [Program] was truly a transformative
> invaluable experience. Having the opportunity to be mentored by a variety of
> leaders throughout the Federation while working on individual and group
> projects that impacted the members of the NFB, was a wonderful experience;
> as a recent college graduate, I decided to continue my personal and
> professional journey as a student at the Louisiana Center for the Blind."
> Jerad: "Learning from our national leaders, developing better communication
> strategies, and working effectively with a team to accomplish a task are
> only a few of the benefits I received as an NFB summer intern. The
> experience was life-changing and helped me acquire personal and professional
> skills that I will use in my future employment and in my role as a newly
> elected NFB affiliate president."
> If you are interested in applying to be a 2017 summer intern for the
> National Federation of the Blind, please prepare the following materials and
> submit them via email in an accessible electronic format to
> alewis at nfb.org<mailto:alewis at nfb.org> no later than March 10, 2017:
> ?         A cover letter expressing why you are uniquely qualified for an
> NFB internship, listing the program area(s) in which you are most interested
> in gaining experience, and describing the projects that drive your passion
> in those program area(s). Be sure to include a description of any previous
> involvement you have had with the Federation. Please feel free to include
> any innovative new projects that you might want to help initiate during your
> internship. Also note any scheduling conflicts that would prevent you from
> being available from May 29 through August 4.
> ?         A r?sum? including current contact information.
> ?         At least two recommendation letters.
> We anticipate selecting members of our 2017 internship cohort by April 14,
> 2017. Questions regarding NFB internships can be directed to Anil Lewis at
> 410-659-9314, extension 2374, or alewis at nfb.org<mailto:alewis at nfb.org>.
> Sincerely,
> Anil Lewis, Executive Director
> National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute
> 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place
> Baltimore, Maryland 21230
>
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> Message: 21
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 18:57:30 -0500
> From: Ellana Crew <eemcrew at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] using magnification or screen readers on mobile
> 	devices
> Message-ID: <538461AE-294C-412B-9CE6-53467C361EB5 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii
>
> Hi Aaron,
>
> I have a fairly moderate amount of residual vision, and I personally have
> chosen to use the built-in screen reader on my mobile devices. I used to use
> handheld magnifiers and large font settings before I learned about screen
> reader software, and when I first learned about them, I was like many with
> residual vision in my stubbornness against using nonvisual techniques and
> insisting on using my eyes. After my first exposure to independence
> training, however, where I was forced to sit down and really learn how the
> software worked and unlearn my bias assumption that it would be cumbersome
> and complicated, I was completely hooked and have never gone back since. I
> personally found using a screen reader to be incredibly freeing and much
> less strenuous, and as I really learned how to use it efficiently, it also
> proved to be immensely quicker for me than magnification. It took a little
> time to learn, but the more I used it in the better I got at it, the more
> and more quick I got at it and the more natural it felt, and now I don't
> even have to think about it. I still use a little handheld magnifying glass
> on occasion to get a good look at a picture or to use an occasional app that
> isn't accessible, but the vast majority of the time, using a screen reader
> is much more comfortable and officiant for me. I'm not sure if you have
> already learned to use the screen reading software on your mobile devices,
> but I hope this is helpful in some way.
>
> Best,
>
> Ellana Crew, Vice President
> Maryland Association of Blind Students
> Website: nfbmd.org/students
> Facebook: facebook.com/mdabs.federation
> Twitter: @MDABS_NFB
>
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
> blindness is not what holds you back.
>
>> On Feb 27, 2017, at 12:22 PM, Aaron via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> I was wondering for those of you who have a little vision, do you use a
>> screen reader or the built in magnification tool? Do you use a
>> combination
>> of both? I'm struggling of which to use and would like some opinions.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Aaron Linson
>>
>> CEO Blind Faith Project <http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject>
>>
>> CEO Linson Productions
>>
>>
>>
>> Aaron Linson
>>
>>
>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 20:44:37 -0600
> From: Suzanne Germano <sgermano at asu.edu>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] using magnification or screen readers on mobile
> 	devices
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> I use screen magnification. I use ZoomText if i am using Windows. I don't
> like Windows magnifier. When on my mac book I use mac zoom.
>
> On Monday, February 27, 2017, Aaron via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> I was wondering for those of you who have a little vision, do you use a
>> screen reader or the built in magnification tool? Do you use a
>> combination
>> of both? I'm struggling of which to use and would like some opinions.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Aaron Linson
>>
>> CEO Blind Faith Project <http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject>
>>
>> CEO Linson Productions
>>
>>
>>
>> Aaron Linson
>>
>>
>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 01:52:14 -0500
> From: Elif Emir ?ks?z <filerime at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] International Students with Disabilities Needed for
> 	a Research Study
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Greetings,
> We are conducting a research study about what it means to be an
> International Student with a Disability at the Postsecondary Level
> (Undergraduate or Graduate) Education in the USA.
> The study is open to international students with disabilities who are
> ?	18 years and older,
> ?	Hold a J or F visa. If you had obtained Green Card or permanent
> residency, this cannot be more than two years prior.
> ?	Meet the criteria above and graduated within the last year.
> ?	Reside in the United States while participating in the study.
> The purpose of this study is to examine
> ?	What it means to be a postsecondary level international student with
> a disability in the United States.
> ?	The effect of this experience on psychological well-being.
> ?	The role of university offices and services on promoting student
> well-being and academic achievement for this population.
> You will be asked to take a brief survey to provide demographic
> information. This may take up to 5 minutes. Then eligible participants
> will be interviewed about their experiences as an international
> student with a disability. The interview will take 60 to 90 minutes.
> It will be conducted over the phone or online. Interviews will be
> recorded for transcription. Couple of weeks after the interview,
> participants will be asked to review the transcription and the
> interpretation of the interview, and have a conversation over the
> phone in order to discuss the accuracy of the transcription and
> interpretation. Additional questions may be asked for clarification
> purposes. This conversation will also be recorded. This may take 30 to
> 45 minutes.
>
> Any information provided by you will be kept confidential. Results
> will be reported as a group. Any identifiers will be removed or
> modified. Participating in this study is voluntary. You may also
> decide not to continue at any phase of the study.
> You will not be paid (or given anything) to take part in this study,
> and participating in this research will not provide you any direct
> benefits. However, you would help to have information about this
> phenomenon. Some questions may make you feel uncomfortable, but you
> may skip them.
> This research will be conducted by Elif Emir Oksuz, who is a doctoral
> student at the University of Cincinnati. She is being supervised by
> Michael Brubaker, Ph.D.
> This study is approved by University of Cincinnati Institutional Review
> Board.
> For additional information, please contact Elif Emir Oksuz at 513-
> 617-0479 or email Elif at: emiref at mail.uc.edu.
> School of Human Services Counseling Program
> If you are eligible and willing to participate please click the link below.
> https://cincinnati.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_elDVdPmT2cG6vpb
>
> Please also feel free to share with others who may be eligible. Thanks
> in advance.
> Elif
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 23:27:33 -0800
> From: Miso Kwak <misokwak12 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GRE materials, question about one of the
> 	responses
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAMe9x_FoMdSx16aNb5voW9nQHrQ44AYfvL-bPEzV4+CnASu=uw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Laurel and all, I remember feeling overwhelmed about the paperwork for
> requesting the accommodations too.
> Like Carl said, however, you could contact the ETS disability service.
> My personal experience with the office has been mixed but I choose to
> believe that they want to help students to the best of their
> abilities.
> I do not have the link or file in front of me but if you look around
> the web site you should be able to find document that needs to be
> filled out. I got help from my university's Center for Accessible
> Education in filling out the paperwork.
>
> Best,
> Miso
>
> On 2/27/17, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Afternoon, Tara,
>>
>>          It's Carly Mihalakis, we knew each other at the CCB some
>> years ago. We recently spoke, though, at the convention--somebody had
>> a phone and they called. was it Sunny? Anyway, how the hell are ya,
>> Tara? I live in Berkeley, California.
>> It might be fun to wrap a little. Don't ya think?
>> Car
>>   from the CCBAt 06:27 AM 2/27/2017, you wrote:
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>  I'm planning on taking the GRE too, so am glad someone has posed
>>> these questions.  For the person who answered about  using a
>>> talking calculator provided by ETS: did you get it the day of the
>>> test?  I just wondered how easy it  was to learn to use in a short
>>> time period.  I thought about requesting to bring my own calc but
>>> wasn't sure if this was allowed since I worried about having to
>>> memorize the layout of the ubttons of the one ETS provides.  Also,
>>> a second question:  how did you all write down the answers for
>>> verbal and math?  Did you type them on the laptop as you did for
>>> the essays?  Also, it is correct that a blind person should take
>>> the paper test, correct; I  would guess the new, electronic    test
>>> would not work well with a screen reader, especially the math portion.
>>>For those who did take the paper test, how long did it take to get
>>>your scores back?
>>>Lastly, good luck  to those who are planning to take.  I agree that
>>>the study materials provided by ETS are good as are the Bookshare
>>>materials, that is, the verbal portions as someone else pointed
>>>out.  I haven't found any math ones on Bookshare yet.
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Tara
>>>Tara Annis
>>>Phone: (304) 942-1119
>>>E-mail: annis1 at live.marshall.edu<mailto:annis1 at live.marshall.edu>
>>>Second E-mail: tannisdanielle at gmail.com<mailto:tannisdanielle at gmail.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
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>
>
> --
> Mi So Kwak
> University of California, Los Angeles | 2017
> Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
> (909) 660-1897
>
>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Feb 28 16:20:48 2017
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 11:20:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Becoming an RA
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Sami,

Go ahead and apply. It depends on your school, but most schools have a RA 
during the weekends. You might have to stay some weekends, but not all of 
them since RAs probably rotate duties. As for study abroad, you could just 
do that another year. RA positions last a year usually so this frees you up 
to study abroad another time.

Good luck.
Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Sami Osborne via NABS-L
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 12:01 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Sami Osborne
Subject: [nabs-l] Becoming an RA

Hi all,

I just got an email today telling us when applications are due
for the students to become an RA for next year.  I think it would
be very interesting to become one, because it would allow me to
have an on-campus job as well as giving me the opportunity to
meet/interact more with the other students as well as being able
to manage whatever problems they're having with living in the
dorms.  Plus, the advantage of being an RA at my school is that
you get to have your own room, which is good in my opinion,
because, (I posted about this a couple months ago,) my experience
living with two roommates has been somewhat of a disaster this
past year.  I'd just like to know if you guys have become/are
currently an RA on your college campus.  Is it possible to be one
as blind students? If so, how was/is your experience so far?

I also had a few concerns I wanted to address with you guys
before I apply for the position.  First of all, the director of
Residence Life knows that I'm totally blind.  In your opinion,
may that cause him to immediately reject my application simply
because he thinks I can't accomplish the job for whatever reason?
If my application is rejected, (either for that or any other
reason,) would I be able to discuss with him why it's been
rejected, since I have no control in his overall decision?
Second, I know that RA's have to address every kind of problem
that the students living in their unit are having.  Some of these
things are difficult or impossible to solve.  For example, when I
was walking back to my dorm from class one day, I talked to one
of my acquaintances, (who lives next door to me,) who was waiting
for our RA to come back because he had some kind of problem with
the shower in his unit.  I honestly have no idea how I, or even
most people, would be able to fix something like that, especially
since I have absolutely no experience with this kind of thing.
My RA actually would like to become a mechanical engineer, so I
guess he would have experience with that.
Third, are RA's allowed to go home/leave campus for an extended
period of time, like on weekends or studying abroad? The reason
I'm asking is because I go home on weekends, (which is an
advantage for me, since I live only fifteen minutes away from
campus).  One of the main reasons I have to go home is because I
have piano lessons every week at a music school that's an hour
away from my county, and I usually depend on my mother to drive
me there (I haven't  got any mobility training in using public
transit such as trains, and taking a cab there would be too
expensive, since it's an hour away).  I'm also planning to study
abroad during my junior year, and therefore, if I was an RA, they
would probably have to look for a replacement, unless RA's are
not allowed to study abroad for some reason.  Also, that being
said, is an RA position a temporary, one-yet-long position, or is
it a permanent one unless I resign/get fired?

I hope to hear from you guys soon.

Thanks very much and have a great night,

Sami

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From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 28 16:38:20 2017
From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Linson Productions)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 11:38:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Becoming an RA
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I would advise against this as becoming an RA will hinder you from doing 
your studies. That is what's the most important to you at this point in 
your life.


On February 28, 2017 11:21:53 AM Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Sami,
>
> Go ahead and apply. It depends on your school, but most schools have a RA
> during the weekends. You might have to stay some weekends, but not all of
> them since RAs probably rotate duties. As for study abroad, you could just
> do that another year. RA positions last a year usually so this frees you up
> to study abroad another time.
>
> Good luck.
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sami Osborne via NABS-L
> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 12:01 AM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Sami Osborne
> Subject: [nabs-l] Becoming an RA
>
> Hi all,
>
> I just got an email today telling us when applications are due
> for the students to become an RA for next year.  I think it would
> be very interesting to become one, because it would allow me to
> have an on-campus job as well as giving me the opportunity to
> meet/interact more with the other students as well as being able
> to manage whatever problems they're having with living in the
> dorms.  Plus, the advantage of being an RA at my school is that
> you get to have your own room, which is good in my opinion,
> because, (I posted about this a couple months ago,) my experience
> living with two roommates has been somewhat of a disaster this
> past year.  I'd just like to know if you guys have become/are
> currently an RA on your college campus.  Is it possible to be one
> as blind students? If so, how was/is your experience so far?
>
> I also had a few concerns I wanted to address with you guys
> before I apply for the position.  First of all, the director of
> Residence Life knows that I'm totally blind.  In your opinion,
> may that cause him to immediately reject my application simply
> because he thinks I can't accomplish the job for whatever reason?
> If my application is rejected, (either for that or any other
> reason,) would I be able to discuss with him why it's been
> rejected, since I have no control in his overall decision?
> Second, I know that RA's have to address every kind of problem
> that the students living in their unit are having.  Some of these
> things are difficult or impossible to solve.  For example, when I
> was walking back to my dorm from class one day, I talked to one
> of my acquaintances, (who lives next door to me,) who was waiting
> for our RA to come back because he had some kind of problem with
> the shower in his unit.  I honestly have no idea how I, or even
> most people, would be able to fix something like that, especially
> since I have absolutely no experience with this kind of thing.
> My RA actually would like to become a mechanical engineer, so I
> guess he would have experience with that.
> Third, are RA's allowed to go home/leave campus for an extended
> period of time, like on weekends or studying abroad? The reason
> I'm asking is because I go home on weekends, (which is an
> advantage for me, since I live only fifteen minutes away from
> campus).  One of the main reasons I have to go home is because I
> have piano lessons every week at a music school that's an hour
> away from my county, and I usually depend on my mother to drive
> me there (I haven't  got any mobility training in using public
> transit such as trains, and taking a cab there would be too
> expensive, since it's an hour away).  I'm also planning to study
> abroad during my junior year, and therefore, if I was an RA, they
> would probably have to look for a replacement, unless RA's are
> not allowed to study abroad for some reason.  Also, that being
> said, is an RA position a temporary, one-yet-long position, or is
> it a permanent one unless I resign/get fired?
>
> I hope to hear from you guys soon.
>
> Thanks very much and have a great night,
>
> Sami
>
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From lilrichie411 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 28 20:44:44 2017
From: lilrichie411 at gmail.com (Jordan Richardson)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 14:44:44 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Putting a Group Together
Message-ID: <52AE03FD-C52F-4472-8A5B-D881C68045D4@gmail.com>

Hi all,
I have been really interested in playing Dungeons & Dragons (it would be my first time). I would like to either put a group together or join a group. I'm thinking we could meet either over Skype or Google HangOut. 

If you are interested please shoot me an email at jordan.rich0913 at gmail.com. 

Happy Tuesday,
J.Richardson 

Jordan Richardson 
"Any state, any entity, any ideology that fails to recognize the worth, the dignity, the rights of man, that state is obsolete."
          Rod Serling 
Sent from my iPad

From carolinarose422 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 28 22:30:25 2017
From: carolinarose422 at gmail.com (Kiana Harlan)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 17:30:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Becoming an RA
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I don't think it will take attention away from your studies. Lots of
students serve as RA's. It all depends on the individual. If you feel
like you can handle the extra work, then go for it. Also, RA's aren't
on duty all the time. You wouldn't be expected to be on duty during
your class time. You will also have time off and down time to focus on
homework.

On 2/28/17, Linson Productions via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I would advise against this as becoming an RA will hinder you from doing
> your studies. That is what's the most important to you at this point in
> your life.
>
>
> On February 28, 2017 11:21:53 AM Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Sami,
>>
>> Go ahead and apply. It depends on your school, but most schools have a RA
>> during the weekends. You might have to stay some weekends, but not all of
>> them since RAs probably rotate duties. As for study abroad, you could
>> just
>> do that another year. RA positions last a year usually so this frees you
>> up
>> to study abroad another time.
>>
>> Good luck.
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sami Osborne via NABS-L
>> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 12:01 AM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Sami Osborne
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Becoming an RA
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I just got an email today telling us when applications are due
>> for the students to become an RA for next year.  I think it would
>> be very interesting to become one, because it would allow me to
>> have an on-campus job as well as giving me the opportunity to
>> meet/interact more with the other students as well as being able
>> to manage whatever problems they're having with living in the
>> dorms.  Plus, the advantage of being an RA at my school is that
>> you get to have your own room, which is good in my opinion,
>> because, (I posted about this a couple months ago,) my experience
>> living with two roommates has been somewhat of a disaster this
>> past year.  I'd just like to know if you guys have become/are
>> currently an RA on your college campus.  Is it possible to be one
>> as blind students? If so, how was/is your experience so far?
>>
>> I also had a few concerns I wanted to address with you guys
>> before I apply for the position.  First of all, the director of
>> Residence Life knows that I'm totally blind.  In your opinion,
>> may that cause him to immediately reject my application simply
>> because he thinks I can't accomplish the job for whatever reason?
>> If my application is rejected, (either for that or any other
>> reason,) would I be able to discuss with him why it's been
>> rejected, since I have no control in his overall decision?
>> Second, I know that RA's have to address every kind of problem
>> that the students living in their unit are having.  Some of these
>> things are difficult or impossible to solve.  For example, when I
>> was walking back to my dorm from class one day, I talked to one
>> of my acquaintances, (who lives next door to me,) who was waiting
>> for our RA to come back because he had some kind of problem with
>> the shower in his unit.  I honestly have no idea how I, or even
>> most people, would be able to fix something like that, especially
>> since I have absolutely no experience with this kind of thing.
>> My RA actually would like to become a mechanical engineer, so I
>> guess he would have experience with that.
>> Third, are RA's allowed to go home/leave campus for an extended
>> period of time, like on weekends or studying abroad? The reason
>> I'm asking is because I go home on weekends, (which is an
>> advantage for me, since I live only fifteen minutes away from
>> campus).  One of the main reasons I have to go home is because I
>> have piano lessons every week at a music school that's an hour
>> away from my county, and I usually depend on my mother to drive
>> me there (I haven't  got any mobility training in using public
>> transit such as trains, and taking a cab there would be too
>> expensive, since it's an hour away).  I'm also planning to study
>> abroad during my junior year, and therefore, if I was an RA, they
>> would probably have to look for a replacement, unless RA's are
>> not allowed to study abroad for some reason.  Also, that being
>> said, is an RA position a temporary, one-yet-long position, or is
>> it a permanent one unless I resign/get fired?
>>
>> I hope to hear from you guys soon.
>>
>> Thanks very much and have a great night,
>>
>> Sami
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
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From tyler at tysdomain.com  Tue Feb 28 22:38:22 2017
From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 17:38:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Becoming an RA
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Hello,
I'm going to try to answer all the initial questions here:
1) Can he reject the application because you're blind:
That's possible, although I would expect that he would tell you that
there are issues and try to talk them over with you. It would be good
for you to get clear instructions on what you need to do and think out
ways around them. Perhaps you would have issues making dorm inspection
rounds, but those are usually done in a team of two.
2) Problems you can't fix:
RAs are not required nor needed to fix shower issues and things like
that. Your goal is generally to host meetings, help students do what
they need to and be someone to talk to and help solve room issues. You
can do all of this without usable sight. For issues like the shower,
generally you'll want to put in a work order.
3) RA time:
This would be something that you would have to ask yourself if it's
worth becoming an RA for. People on my campus are required to be around
for 2-3 weekends a month, so this would create a lot of issues. Also if
you are planning on leaving the country, I'd recommend pushing the RA
position to a year when you aren't going to be out of country. They
usually last a year because the time to train an RA is extensive.

I would recommend against becoming an RA strictly because you want your
own room. It might be nice, but there is a lot of work involved. If you
are already good at managing your time, then you should be fine with the
RA position. In my school this usually means helping prepare for events,
hanging posters (easy), checking up on people you know are having issues
and in general just connecting with people and doing rounds as you're
required. The bonuses to this are a free single room, which could be
really useful and saves a lot of money.
Hope that helps,
Ty

On 2/28/2017 5:30 PM, Kiana Harlan via NABS-L wrote:
> I don't think it will take attention away from your studies. Lots of
> students serve as RA's. It all depends on the individual. If you feel
> like you can handle the extra work, then go for it. Also, RA's aren't
> on duty all the time. You wouldn't be expected to be on duty during
> your class time. You will also have time off and down time to focus on
> homework.
> 
> On 2/28/17, Linson Productions via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I would advise against this as becoming an RA will hinder you from doing
>> your studies. That is what's the most important to you at this point in
>> your life.
>>
>>
>> On February 28, 2017 11:21:53 AM Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Sami,
>>>
>>> Go ahead and apply. It depends on your school, but most schools have a RA
>>> during the weekends. You might have to stay some weekends, but not all of
>>> them since RAs probably rotate duties. As for study abroad, you could
>>> just
>>> do that another year. RA positions last a year usually so this frees you
>>> up
>>> to study abroad another time.
>>>
>>> Good luck.
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Sami Osborne via NABS-L
>>> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 12:01 AM
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: Sami Osborne
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Becoming an RA
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I just got an email today telling us when applications are due
>>> for the students to become an RA for next year.  I think it would
>>> be very interesting to become one, because it would allow me to
>>> have an on-campus job as well as giving me the opportunity to
>>> meet/interact more with the other students as well as being able
>>> to manage whatever problems they're having with living in the
>>> dorms.  Plus, the advantage of being an RA at my school is that
>>> you get to have your own room, which is good in my opinion,
>>> because, (I posted about this a couple months ago,) my experience
>>> living with two roommates has been somewhat of a disaster this
>>> past year.  I'd just like to know if you guys have become/are
>>> currently an RA on your college campus.  Is it possible to be one
>>> as blind students? If so, how was/is your experience so far?
>>>
>>> I also had a few concerns I wanted to address with you guys
>>> before I apply for the position.  First of all, the director of
>>> Residence Life knows that I'm totally blind.  In your opinion,
>>> may that cause him to immediately reject my application simply
>>> because he thinks I can't accomplish the job for whatever reason?
>>> If my application is rejected, (either for that or any other
>>> reason,) would I be able to discuss with him why it's been
>>> rejected, since I have no control in his overall decision?
>>> Second, I know that RA's have to address every kind of problem
>>> that the students living in their unit are having.  Some of these
>>> things are difficult or impossible to solve.  For example, when I
>>> was walking back to my dorm from class one day, I talked to one
>>> of my acquaintances, (who lives next door to me,) who was waiting
>>> for our RA to come back because he had some kind of problem with
>>> the shower in his unit.  I honestly have no idea how I, or even
>>> most people, would be able to fix something like that, especially
>>> since I have absolutely no experience with this kind of thing.
>>> My RA actually would like to become a mechanical engineer, so I
>>> guess he would have experience with that.
>>> Third, are RA's allowed to go home/leave campus for an extended
>>> period of time, like on weekends or studying abroad? The reason
>>> I'm asking is because I go home on weekends, (which is an
>>> advantage for me, since I live only fifteen minutes away from
>>> campus).  One of the main reasons I have to go home is because I
>>> have piano lessons every week at a music school that's an hour
>>> away from my county, and I usually depend on my mother to drive
>>> me there (I haven't  got any mobility training in using public
>>> transit such as trains, and taking a cab there would be too
>>> expensive, since it's an hour away).  I'm also planning to study
>>> abroad during my junior year, and therefore, if I was an RA, they
>>> would probably have to look for a replacement, unless RA's are
>>> not allowed to study abroad for some reason.  Also, that being
>>> said, is an RA position a temporary, one-yet-long position, or is
>>> it a permanent one unless I resign/get fired?
>>>
>>> I hope to hear from you guys soon.
>>>
>>> Thanks very much and have a great night,
>>>
>>> Sami
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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