From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Mon Jan  2 08:51:13 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2017 00:51:13 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Braille Textbooks
Message-ID: <586a1497.4766630a.5528e.ece0@mx.google.com>

Hi,
I hope everyone is having a great 2017.  I understand that there 
is not going to be a "One-size fits all" answer to my question, 
so was just curious about what others have done.
I have 2 classes that will have Braille textbooks.  This is 
different to last semester, when I had all electronic books.
I am in a single room but regardount of rooming situations, when 
it comes to storing all the volumes of textbooks do you:
- Store all textbooks in your dorm?
- Keep the volumes you currently need in the dorm, but keep the 
rest in the DSS office?
Or any other method?
Also, do you email the teacher ahead of time to ask which pages 
will be used?
Any ideas would be great.
Thanks,
Vejas


From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Mon Jan  2 11:54:45 2017
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 06:54:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Braille Textbooks
In-Reply-To: <586a1497.4766630a.5528e.ece0@mx.google.com>
References: <586a1497.4766630a.5528e.ece0@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <767CEFEB-CB9F-461F-B44D-6FAEC8C6122E@houghton.edu>

Hi,
When i took Stats i left what i did not need in the office.
Your syllabus should list any pages/chapters you will need.

> On Jan 2, 2017, at 03:51, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I hope everyone is having a great 2017.  I understand that there is not going to be a "One-size fits all" answer to my question, so was just curious about what others have done.
> I have 2 classes that will have Braille textbooks.  This is different to last semester, when I had all electronic books.
> I am in a single room but regardount of rooming situations, when it comes to storing all the volumes of textbooks do you:
> - Store all textbooks in your dorm?
> - Keep the volumes you currently need in the dorm, but keep the rest in the DSS office?
> Or any other method?
> Also, do you email the teacher ahead of time to ask which pages will be used?
> Any ideas would be great.
> Thanks,
> Vejas
> 
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From garywunder at me.com  Mon Jan  2 13:47:07 2017
From: garywunder at me.com (Gary Wunder)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2017 07:47:07 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Braille Textbooks
In-Reply-To: <767CEFEB-CB9F-461F-B44D-6FAEC8C6122E@houghton.edu>
References: <586a1497.4766630a.5528e.ece0@mx.google.com>
	<767CEFEB-CB9F-461F-B44D-6FAEC8C6122E@houghton.edu>
Message-ID: <007e01d264fe$b5c47e70$214d7b50$@me.com>

Is there a chance refreshable Braille can be used for the classroom portion?




From ahbeeorton at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  2 13:48:42 2017
From: ahbeeorton at yahoo.com (Ahbee Orton)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 07:48:42 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] math and science homeschooling
Message-ID: <DDF2E4B1-E9D1-4247-A84E-4BF976D94CEC@yahoo.com>

Hi everyone, 

I am wondering about homeschooling. Is it possible to homeschool a blind student in math and science? I would think that there is a possible way to do it, but we wouldn't have an embosser and don't know if we'd be able to get Brailled upper, advanced math and science textbooks. What suggestions do you'all have on this topic? 

Thank you,
Ahbee 


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From spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan  2 13:57:24 2017
From: spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net (Jen)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 08:57:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Braille Textbooks
In-Reply-To: <586a1497.4766630a.5528e.ece0@mx.google.com>
References: <586a1497.4766630a.5528e.ece0@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <000101d26500$266256b0$73270410$@sbcglobal.net>

Hi,

Welcome to the list! I'm new as well.

During high school, I had a rolling desk with my Braille books I needed for
that day's class in it. There was another room where the rest of the books
were stored on shelves.

When the teacher gave assignments, they usually gave pages, but if they
didn't, I'd ask them. Then, I would check the volume that was currently in
my desk to see if it had the correct pages; if not, my tutor would help me
get the volume that did.

Jen

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To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Braille Textbooks

Hi,
I hope everyone is having a great 2017.  I understand that there 
is not going to be a "One-size fits all" answer to my question, 
so was just curious about what others have done.
I have 2 classes that will have Braille textbooks.  This is 
different to last semester, when I had all electronic books.
I am in a single room but regardount of rooming situations, when 
it comes to storing all the volumes of textbooks do you:
- Store all textbooks in your dorm?
- Keep the volumes you currently need in the dorm, but keep the 
rest in the DSS office?
Or any other method?
Also, do you email the teacher ahead of time to ask which pages 
will be used?
Any ideas would be great.
Thanks,
Vejas

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From lucysirianni at gmail.com  Mon Jan  2 16:47:59 2017
From: lucysirianni at gmail.com (Lucy Sirianni)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2017 08:47:59 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] math and science homeschooling
Message-ID: <586a8441.4a13620a.e396a.483e@mx.google.com>

Hi Ahbee,

I homeschooled from kindergarten through high school graduation, 
so I have a few ideas.  First, depending on what state you're in, 
you can homeschool but still have an IEP through your local 
school district and receive supplementary services through them, 
including Braille transcription.  Second, you could reach out to 
your state agency for the blind for transcription assistance, if 
you're of age to have a counselor.  Third, you could get 
textbooks from sources like the American Printing House for the 
Blind (expensive, but maybe your state agency would help with the 
cost?), Bookshare, or volunteer transcription agencies.  Finally, 
you might look into Hadley's math and science courses.

I hope this helps, and feel free to reach out if you have any 
more questions about homeschooling; it was a great experience for 
me!

Lucy

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 07:48:42 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] math and science homeschooling

Hi everyone,

I am wondering about homeschooling.  Is it possible to homeschool 
a blind student in math and science? I would think that there is 
a possible way to do it, but we wouldn't have an embosser and 
don't know if we'd be able to get Brailled upper, advanced math 
and science textbooks.  What suggestions do you'all have on this 
topic?

Thank you,
Ahbee


Sent from Ahbee's iPhone

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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Mon Jan  2 17:02:54 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 09:02:54 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Braille Textbooks
In-Reply-To: <007e01d264fe$b5c47e70$214d7b50$@me.com>
References: <586a1497.4766630a.5528e.ece0@mx.google.com>
	<767CEFEB-CB9F-461F-B44D-6FAEC8C6122E@houghton.edu>
	<007e01d264fe$b5c47e70$214d7b50$@me.com>
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Hi Gary,
I do have a Braillenote, and that's a good idea to see if either of the boks are online, especially the Spanish textbook.
Vejas 

> On Jan 2, 2017, at 05:47, Gary Wunder via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Is there a chance refreshable Braille can be used for the classroom portion?
> 
> 
> 
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From lizzym0827 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  2 18:00:02 2017
From: lizzym0827 at gmail.com (Lizzy)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2017 13:00:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Braille Textbooks
Message-ID: <586a9557.012a370a.c8529.2efa@mx.google.com>

Hi Vejas,
In general, the only classes that require you to bring the book 
with you are language courses and ones where you are studying a 
certain book (English, any type of literature, Anthropology or 
something like that).  For other classes, you usually just read 
the book on your own and go to class to gain the professor's 
perspective.  I say all that to say that emailing about page 
numbers is not generally necessary.  Now, in the event that 
you're taking a language class, you typically need the book to go 
over the previous night's homework or do an activity of some 
sort.  In that case, you're generally fine if you take the volume 
that you've used the night before (knowing that if you're 
approaching the end of the volume it's safe to bring the next one 
along as well).  I've personally chosen to keep all of my books 
in my room, but my school has a very small DS Office with only 
one person and one room so if I needed a book I'd have to 
interrupt her and ask to get one of my books.  So basically, it's 
up to you.  Also note that some professors don't even like or 
rarely reference text books so carrying those volumes is 
unnecessary for certain classes.  I would probably play it by ear 
for the first couple of days to see how important the textbook is 
and how helpful the syllabus is.

HTH,
Lizzy


From mikgephart at icloud.com  Mon Jan  2 18:39:31 2017
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2017 13:39:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Braille Textbooks
In-Reply-To: <586a1497.4766630a.5528e.ece0@mx.google.com>
References: <586a1497.4766630a.5528e.ece0@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <F120EA82-BD35-4F80-BC84-B4095D822073@icloud.com>

Hi,
     I do not have an answer for you. However, this is making me feel better about college. My TVI had said that I may not get braille textbooks in college. Thank you for sending this message.
Mikayla
> On Jan 2, 2017, at 3:51 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I hope everyone is having a great 2017.  I understand that there is not going to be a "One-size fits all" answer to my question, so was just curious about what others have done.
> I have 2 classes that will have Braille textbooks.  This is different to last semester, when I had all electronic books.
> I am in a single room but regardount of rooming situations, when it comes to storing all the volumes of textbooks do you:
> - Store all textbooks in your dorm?
> - Keep the volumes you currently need in the dorm, but keep the rest in the DSS office?
> Or any other method?
> Also, do you email the teacher ahead of time to ask which pages will be used?
> Any ideas would be great.
> Thanks,
> Vejas
> 
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Mon Jan  2 19:14:11 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2017 11:14:11 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Braille Textbooks
Message-ID: <586aa69a.0844620a.bdbff.8c6d@mx.google.com>

Mikayla,
I'm glad my mesage made you feel better.  In some cases, however, 
your VI teacher is correct.
Many Braille textbooks can be found electronically if you have a 
notetaker or Braille display.  You can also get them in audio if 
you have a Victor stream.  In some classes, such as math, it may 
not be possible to find a copy of the textbook you need; in a 
case like that, my school's DSS, the teacher and yourself would 
discuss the best course of action.  Sometimes, another similar 
version will be available and the teacher will work with a 
similar version, but I am in a small school with small classes, 
so do not know if this is always possible.  Every individual 
situation is unique to the individual.
Vejas


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<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 02 Jan 2017 13:39:31 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about Braille Textbooks

Hi,
     I do not have an answer for you.  However, this is making me 
feel better about college.  My TVI had said that I may not get 
braille textbooks in college.  Thank you for sending this 
message.
Mikayla
 On Jan 2, 2017, at 3:51 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hi,
 I hope everyone is having a great 2017.  I understand that there 
is not going to be a "One-size fits all" answer to my question, 
so was just curious about what others have done.
 I have 2 classes that will have Braille textbooks.  This is 
different to last semester, when I had all electronic books.
 I am in a single room but regardount of rooming situations, when 
it comes to storing all the volumes of textbooks do you:
 - Store all textbooks in your dorm?
 - Keep the volumes you currently need in the dorm, but keep the 
rest in the DSS office?
 Or any other method?
 Also, do you email the teacher ahead of time to ask which pages 
will be used?
 Any ideas would be great.
 Thanks,
 Vejas

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From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 01:54:39 2017
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (Nesma Aly)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 20:54:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Please help Nathan
Message-ID: <0ef501d26564$58b270f0$0a1752d0$@gmail.com>

Hi All, 

I was asked to circulate the following document. If anyone is interested,
please contact Nathan at: 410-446-7259 

Please tell all of the people you know! 

Thanks for all your help!  

Nesma 

 

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From jaw1431 at jagmail.southalabama.edu  Tue Jan  3 12:55:25 2017
From: jaw1431 at jagmail.southalabama.edu (Jessica)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 06:55:25 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Technology for a    hands on expo
Message-ID: <4E1878F7-00BA-422C-9D60-C79EC11DB3B1@jagmail.southalabama.edu>



Sent from my iPhone
 hello,
I am the Vice President of the Alabama Association of blind students, And we are in the process of putting  together our student division luncheon seminar for our state  convention. We have came up with the idea of having A hands on demonstration technology  expo. We wanted to know if there are any new and or  old technology that will be beneficial to all blind  students in  the classrooms. 
Thanks 
Jessica Williams

From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 13:26:43 2017
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 08:26:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Quick Apex Question
Message-ID: <586ba6a3.0e3a810a.83b18.1bd8@mx.google.com>

Yes I recently received this message while performing a reset.  
It said restoring partition then displayed the regular countdown 
on the edge of my braille display.


From dragoshi11 at hotmail.com  Tue Jan  3 15:41:15 2017
From: dragoshi11 at hotmail.com (Rilind Dragoshi)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 15:41:15 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Braille Textbooks
Message-ID: <YTOPR01MB01540E0FCABB20C694EC4534C26E0@YTOPR01MB0154.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hello Vejas.
I've graduated with my B/A in Psych and am taking some French courses now beofore going in to my masters. I'll try my best to answer your question based on my experience. In my situation with textbooks, during Elementary and high school the books were kept on shelves. By the time I got to High school, a lot of my textbooks were able to be translated in to E-text with the exception of Math and Science books.

For University, I was in a similar position as I believe you had described, as there was no shelf space, etc. I only needed textbooks for two courses, Statistics and French. What I would recommend is see how well the syllabus is followed, and if need be verify to make sure you have the needed pages for any given day. A lot of professors will, from my experience, also try to have you not carry as much, so to make them comfortable by letting them know that you want to be prepared so even if it's something that they may potentially cover that it is something that they should feel comfortable letting you know, and to let them know to notify you if there is something else you should bring different from what is on the syllabus. If it happens that something is covered from a class that isn't on the syllabus or that the professor hasn't told you in advance to bring, a friendly reminder of the above is okay. In such a case the importance is listening carefully, taking down what pages you need to check, reviewing it as soon as you can, and asking any questions about the material that you have. Once you establish a good connection with your professor in terms of your academic needs, this should be very rare, and, very likely only accidental.
 For any science or stats courses or other courses, it's also important to know if there are any tables or things in the appendices (which is more commonly known as the back of the book) that you need regularly during class. The syllabus often doesn't include these sections from my experience as it is assumed everyone has the book. To make things easier, if you are taking such a course, I would recommend asking what is needed, and then making sure that you can find it and also know when you need to bring it. In my case when I used certain tables in my stats courses such as unit normal table, anova, etc, I needed to bring my appendices  volumes. I had two volumes just for the appendices, and depending on whichtable was being used I needed either one of them or both along with any volume from my regular textbook chapter that was being covered on any particular day.
Hope this helps and all the best:
Rilind.	

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Question about Braille Textbooks (Gary Wunder)
   2. math and science homeschooling (Ahbee Orton)
   3. Re: Question about Braille Textbooks (Jen)
   4. Re: math and science homeschooling (Lucy Sirianni)
   5. Re: Question about Braille Textbooks (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
   6. Re: Question about Braille Textbooks (Lizzy)
   7. Re: Question about Braille Textbooks (Mikayla Gephart)
   8. Re: Question about Braille Textbooks (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
   9. Please help Nathan (Nesma Aly)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2017 07:47:07 -0600
From: Gary Wunder <garywunder at me.com>
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about Braille Textbooks
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Is there a chance refreshable Braille can be used for the classroom portion?





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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 07:48:42 -0600
From: Ahbee Orton <ahbeeorton at yahoo.com>
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] math and science homeschooling
Message-ID: <DDF2E4B1-E9D1-4247-A84E-4BF976D94CEC at yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii

Hi everyone, 

I am wondering about homeschooling. Is it possible to homeschool a blind student in math and science? I would think that there is a possible way to do it, but we wouldn't have an embosser and don't know if we'd be able to get Brailled upper, advanced math and science textbooks. What suggestions do you'all have on this topic? 

Thank you,
Ahbee 


Sent from Ahbee's iPhone



------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 08:57:24 -0500
From: "Jen" <spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about Braille Textbooks
Message-ID: <000101d26500$266256b0$73270410$@sbcglobal.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

Hi,

Welcome to the list! I'm new as well.

During high school, I had a rolling desk with my Braille books I needed for that day's class in it. There was another room where the rest of the books were stored on shelves.

When the teacher gave assignments, they usually gave pages, but if they didn't, I'd ask them. Then, I would check the volume that was currently in my desk to see if it had the correct pages; if not, my tutor would help me get the volume that did.

Jen

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To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Braille Textbooks

Hi,
I hope everyone is having a great 2017.  I understand that there is not going to be a "One-size fits all" answer to my question, so was just curious about what others have done.
I have 2 classes that will have Braille textbooks.  This is different to last semester, when I had all electronic books.
I am in a single room but regardount of rooming situations, when it comes to storing all the volumes of textbooks do you:
- Store all textbooks in your dorm?
- Keep the volumes you currently need in the dorm, but keep the rest in the DSS office?
Or any other method?
Also, do you email the teacher ahead of time to ask which pages will be used?
Any ideas would be great.
Thanks,
Vejas

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2017 08:47:59 -0800
From: Lucy Sirianni <lucysirianni at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
	list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] math and science homeschooling
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Hi Ahbee,

I homeschooled from kindergarten through high school graduation, so I have a few ideas.  First, depending on what state you're in, you can homeschool but still have an IEP through your local school district and receive supplementary services through them, including Braille transcription.  Second, you could reach out to your state agency for the blind for transcription assistance, if you're of age to have a counselor.  Third, you could get textbooks from sources like the American Printing House for the Blind (expensive, but maybe your state agency would help with the cost?), Bookshare, or volunteer transcription agencies.  Finally, you might look into Hadley's math and science courses.

I hope this helps, and feel free to reach out if you have any more questions about homeschooling; it was a great experience for me!

Lucy

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 07:48:42 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] math and science homeschooling

Hi everyone,

I am wondering about homeschooling.  Is it possible to homeschool a blind student in math and science? I would think that there is a possible way to do it, but we wouldn't have an embosser and don't know if we'd be able to get Brailled upper, advanced math and science textbooks.  What suggestions do you'all have on this topic?

Thank you,
Ahbee


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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 09:02:54 -0800
From: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about Braille Textbooks
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Hi Gary,
I do have a Braillenote, and that's a good idea to see if either of the boks are online, especially the Spanish textbook.
Vejas 

> On Jan 2, 2017, at 05:47, Gary Wunder via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Is there a chance refreshable Braille can be used for the classroom portion?
> 
> 
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2017 13:00:02 -0500
From: Lizzy <lizzym0827 at gmail.com>
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about Braille Textbooks
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Hi Vejas,
In general, the only classes that require you to bring the book 
with you are language courses and ones where you are studying a 
certain book (English, any type of literature, Anthropology or 
something like that).  For other classes, you usually just read 
the book on your own and go to class to gain the professor's 
perspective.  I say all that to say that emailing about page 
numbers is not generally necessary.  Now, in the event that 
you're taking a language class, you typically need the book to go 
over the previous night's homework or do an activity of some 
sort.  In that case, you're generally fine if you take the volume 
that you've used the night before (knowing that if you're 
approaching the end of the volume it's safe to bring the next one 
along as well).  I've personally chosen to keep all of my books 
in my room, but my school has a very small DS Office with only 
one person and one room so if I needed a book I'd have to 
interrupt her and ask to get one of my books.  So basically, it's 
up to you.  Also note that some professors don't even like or 
rarely reference text books so carrying those volumes is 
unnecessary for certain classes.  I would probably play it by ear 
for the first couple of days to see how important the textbook is 
and how helpful the syllabus is.

HTH,
Lizzy



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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2017 13:39:31 -0500
From: Mikayla Gephart <mikgephart at icloud.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about Braille Textbooks
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Hi,
     I do not have an answer for you. However, this is making me feel better about college. My TVI had said that I may not get braille textbooks in college. Thank you for sending this message.
Mikayla
> On Jan 2, 2017, at 3:51 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I hope everyone is having a great 2017.  I understand that there is not going to be a "One-size fits all" answer to my question, so was just curious about what others have done.
> I have 2 classes that will have Braille textbooks.  This is different to last semester, when I had all electronic books.
> I am in a single room but regardount of rooming situations, when it comes to storing all the volumes of textbooks do you:
> - Store all textbooks in your dorm?
> - Keep the volumes you currently need in the dorm, but keep the rest in the DSS office?
> Or any other method?
> Also, do you email the teacher ahead of time to ask which pages will be used?
> Any ideas would be great.
> Thanks,
> Vejas
> 
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2017 11:14:11 -0800
From: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
To: Mikayla Gephart <mikgephart at icloud.com>, nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about Braille Textbooks
Message-ID: <586aa69a.0844620a.bdbff.8c6d at mx.google.com>
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Mikayla,
I'm glad my mesage made you feel better.  In some cases, however, 
your VI teacher is correct.
Many Braille textbooks can be found electronically if you have a 
notetaker or Braille display.  You can also get them in audio if 
you have a Victor stream.  In some classes, such as math, it may 
not be possible to find a copy of the textbook you need; in a 
case like that, my school's DSS, the teacher and yourself would 
discuss the best course of action.  Sometimes, another similar 
version will be available and the teacher will work with a 
similar version, but I am in a small school with small classes, 
so do not know if this is always possible.  Every individual 
situation is unique to the individual.
Vejas


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<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 02 Jan 2017 13:39:31 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about Braille Textbooks

Hi,
     I do not have an answer for you.  However, this is making me 
feel better about college.  My TVI had said that I may not get 
braille textbooks in college.  Thank you for sending this 
message.
Mikayla
 On Jan 2, 2017, at 3:51 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hi,
 I hope everyone is having a great 2017.  I understand that there 
is not going to be a "One-size fits all" answer to my question, 
so was just curious about what others have done.
 I have 2 classes that will have Braille textbooks.  This is 
different to last semester, when I had all electronic books.
 I am in a single room but regardount of rooming situations, when 
it comes to storing all the volumes of textbooks do you:
 - Store all textbooks in your dorm?
 - Keep the volumes you currently need in the dorm, but keep the 
rest in the DSS office?
 Or any other method?
 Also, do you email the teacher ahead of time to ask which pages 
will be used?
 Any ideas would be great.
 Thanks,
 Vejas

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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 20:54:39 -0500
From: "Nesma Aly" <nesmaaly123 at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
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Subject: [nabs-l] Please help Nathan
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Hi All, 

I was asked to circulate the following document. If anyone is interested,
please contact Nathan at: 410-446-7259 

Please tell all of the people you know! 

Thanks for all your help!  

Nesma 

 

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From eemcrew at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 16:49:08 2017
From: eemcrew at gmail.com (Ellana Crew)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 11:49:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Technology for a    hands on expo
In-Reply-To: <4E1878F7-00BA-422C-9D60-C79EC11DB3B1@jagmail.southalabama.edu>
References: <4E1878F7-00BA-422C-9D60-C79EC11DB3B1@jagmail.southalabama.edu>
Message-ID: <05E48CFF-32DE-420B-B04B-783A52429F2C@gmail.com>

Hi there Jessica,

That sounds like a fantastic idea for a student seminar, and if you were looking for some general blindness technology staples that can benefit virtually any student, I may have some suggestions. Not sure if you guys have already come up with some of these, but here's what I've thought of pretty quick:

– Standard braille display would be a good one to include, preferably one with more cells than fewer so that students who may not have been very exposed to Braille displays yet can more realistically imagine reading a textbook or taking notes on it.

– An iPad running voiceover, possibly along with a Bluetooth keyboard. For less exposed students who may be great with their phones but haven't done much in the realm of using a full desktop screen reader, a tablet with a Bluetooth keyboard can be a good working and notetaking alternative to a laptop.

– A tactile drawing board, especially if you can get your hands on the nice one with the iron eraser or a sensational blackboard. Those can be immensely beneficial for students in all kinds of classes, especially math and science. I believe the company that makes the very fancy one with the iron eraser is in the process of creating a tactile printer using the same technology and computer software that takes a diagram inputted on the computer and printed tactilely with braille labels in place of print. I'm not sure if that is out just yet, but I do know that it is in the works and you can probably at least get information about it on the website. The drawing board itself though can be great for diagrams as well as tactilely writing out math problems in a way that can be visually represented through tactile means, and I even found a use for it in my psychology class.

– A Perkins Brailer and a slate and stylus are always great staples to have. The brailler can be great for taking notes from homework or rewriting your notes from class to help remember them, as can a slate and stylus, and a slate and stylus can always be handy to keep just to write small things, like if you ever need to take down the website or phone number and don't have easy access to your phone or some other means of writing it down. Physically writing it with the slate can also help you remember it better.

– I try to encourage students to go passed low vision techniques as it usually tends to be slower than non-visual techniques, but if your audience will have a large amount of students who may be more comfortable venturing into low vision Technologies, some digital magnifiers might be nice, something portable like one of the rubies. They can be handy to be able to carry it around anywhere and be able to write under it. 

– KNFB reader is probably a really good one. They can use it to read assignment sheets handed out in class, handouts from the disability services office, sometimes even bulletins posted outside of the classroom talking about class cancellations and such or even flyers around the school for different school-provided services or activities.

– Possibly some other apps, like tap tap see, a color identifier, and a money reader app, or just an actual money reader from the Bureau of engraving. I also use an accessible app for creating a list of to do tasks that turns your to do list into a game to encourage you to check off the things on your list. It is called CARROT to do.

– Something for listening to textbooks would probably be good, too, like a victor stream, a book port, the Bookshare app, or learning Ally.

Hope this is helpful! Good luck with your seminar!!

Ellana Crew, Vice President
Maryland Association of Blind Students

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.

> On Jan 3, 2017, at 7:55 AM, Jessica via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> hello,
> I am the Vice President of the Alabama Association of blind students, And we are in the process of putting  together our student division luncheon seminar for our state  convention. We have came up with the idea of having A hands on demonstration technology  expo. We wanted to know if there are any new and or  old technology that will be beneficial to all blind  students in  the classrooms. 
> Thanks 
> Jessica Williams
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From emitchell927 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 19:24:42 2017
From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 09:24:42 -1000
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Technology for a    hands on expo
In-Reply-To: <4E1878F7-00BA-422C-9D60-C79EC11DB3B1@jagmail.southalabama.edu>
References: <4E1878F7-00BA-422C-9D60-C79EC11DB3B1@jagmail.southalabama.edu>
Message-ID: <D207A442-4FB2-4C60-A52C-A635B83715FE@gmail.com>

iPhone iPad mac to write notes or papers

Sent from my iPhone



Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 2:55 AM, Jessica via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> hello,
> I am the Vice President of the Alabama Association of blind students, And we are in the process of putting  together our student division luncheon seminar for our state  convention. We have came up with the idea of having A hands on demonstration technology  expo. We wanted to know if there are any new and or  old technology that will be beneficial to all blind  students in  the classrooms. 
> Thanks 
> Jessica Williams
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From jaw1431 at jagmail.southalabama.edu  Tue Jan  3 22:38:55 2017
From: jaw1431 at jagmail.southalabama.edu (Jessica)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 16:38:55 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Technology for a    hands on expo
In-Reply-To: <05E48CFF-32DE-420B-B04B-783A52429F2C@gmail.com>
References: <4E1878F7-00BA-422C-9D60-C79EC11DB3B1@jagmail.southalabama.edu>
	<05E48CFF-32DE-420B-B04B-783A52429F2C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5C3F689D-ED84-4D51-9E2C-CA53B9EC397B@jagmail.southalabama.edu>

Thank you. We will take in all of these great ideas!!!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 3, 2017, at 10:49 AM, Ellana Crew via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi there Jessica,
> 
> That sounds like a fantastic idea for a student seminar, and if you were looking for some general blindness technology staples that can benefit virtually any student, I may have some suggestions. Not sure if you guys have already come up with some of these, but here's what I've thought of pretty quick:
> 
> – Standard braille display would be a good one to include, preferably one with more cells than fewer so that students who may not have been very exposed to Braille displays yet can more realistically imagine reading a textbook or taking notes on it.
> 
> – An iPad running voiceover, possibly along with a Bluetooth keyboard. For less exposed students who may be great with their phones but haven't done much in the realm of using a full desktop screen reader, a tablet with a Bluetooth keyboard can be a good working and notetaking alternative to a laptop.
> 
> – A tactile drawing board, especially if you can get your hands on the nice one with the iron eraser or a sensational blackboard. Those can be immensely beneficial for students in all kinds of classes, especially math and science. I believe the company that makes the very fancy one with the iron eraser is in the process of creating a tactile printer using the same technology and computer software that takes a diagram inputted on the computer and printed tactilely with braille labels in place of print. I'm not sure if that is out just yet, but I do know that it is in the works and you can probably at least get information about it on the website. The drawing board itself though can be great for diagrams as well as tactilely writing out math problems in a way that can be visually represented through tactile means, and I even found a use for it in my psychology class.
> 
> – A Perkins Brailer and a slate and stylus are always great staples to have. The brailler can be great for taking notes from homework or rewriting your notes from class to help remember them, as can a slate and stylus, and a slate and stylus can always be handy to keep just to write small things, like if you ever need to take down the website or phone number and don't have easy access to your phone or some other means of writing it down. Physically writing it with the slate can also help you remember it better.
> 
> – I try to encourage students to go passed low vision techniques as it usually tends to be slower than non-visual techniques, but if your audience will have a large amount of students who may be more comfortable venturing into low vision Technologies, some digital magnifiers might be nice, something portable like one of the rubies. They can be handy to be able to carry it around anywhere and be able to write under it. 
> 
> – KNFB reader is probably a really good one. They can use it to read assignment sheets handed out in class, handouts from the disability services office, sometimes even bulletins posted outside of the classroom talking about class cancellations and such or even flyers around the school for different school-provided services or activities.
> 
> – Possibly some other apps, like tap tap see, a color identifier, and a money reader app, or just an actual money reader from the Bureau of engraving. I also use an accessible app for creating a list of to do tasks that turns your to do list into a game to encourage you to check off the things on your list. It is called CARROT to do.
> 
> – Something for listening to textbooks would probably be good, too, like a victor stream, a book port, the Bookshare app, or learning Ally.
> 
> Hope this is helpful! Good luck with your seminar!!
> 
> Ellana Crew, Vice President
> Maryland Association of Blind Students
> 
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
> 
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 7:55 AM, Jessica via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> hello,
>> I am the Vice President of the Alabama Association of blind students, And we are in the process of putting  together our student division luncheon seminar for our state  convention. We have came up with the idea of having A hands on demonstration technology  expo. We wanted to know if there are any new and or  old technology that will be beneficial to all blind  students in  the classrooms. 
>> Thanks 
>> Jessica Williams
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
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> 
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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 22:44:53 2017
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 17:44:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Bn touch and pasting files into google drive
Message-ID: <586c2970.c35b240a.2a6a6.6b4e@mx.google.com>

Hi,
I've taken on a fairly large research project.
I've made a folder in my google drive for the data that I collect.
I've made a document in keyword, and need to paste it into this folder.
I've cutl the document itself from the location in which it was origially saved.
How can I paste this file into google drive?
Thanks,
Jessica

From jameyanne at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 23:18:11 2017
From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 18:18:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Bn touch and pasting files into google drive
In-Reply-To: <586c2970.c35b240a.2a6a6.6b4e@mx.google.com>
References: <586c2970.c35b240a.2a6a6.6b4e@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <011a01d26617$a7634ef0$f629ecd0$@gmail.com>

I'm not totally sure, but you might have better luck with the "share" option
in file manager. Navigate to the file in the file manager, and when you hit
the context menu key "share is one of the options. It then presents you with
options for where to send your file, including an option to save to Drive.
HTH.
Jameyanne

-----Original Message-----
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via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 5:45 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Jessica Dail <jldail13 at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Bn touch and pasting files into google drive

Hi,
I've taken on a fairly large research project.
I've made a folder in my google drive for the data that I collect.
I've made a document in keyword, and need to paste it into this folder.
I've cutl the document itself from the location in which it was origially
saved.
How can I paste this file into google drive?
Thanks,
Jessica
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From emitchell927 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 23:21:43 2017
From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 13:21:43 -1000
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Technology for a    hands on expo
In-Reply-To: <5C3F689D-ED84-4D51-9E2C-CA53B9EC397B@jagmail.southalabama.edu>
References: <4E1878F7-00BA-422C-9D60-C79EC11DB3B1@jagmail.southalabama.edu>
	<05E48CFF-32DE-420B-B04B-783A52429F2C@gmail.com>
	<5C3F689D-ED84-4D51-9E2C-CA53B9EC397B@jagmail.southalabama.edu>
Message-ID: <B440E2F2-0B49-4DCE-AA51-06A62A6E2E86@gmail.com>

I would suggest a mac.
Emma

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Jessica via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Thank you. We will take in all of these great ideas!!!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 10:49 AM, Ellana Crew via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there Jessica,
>> 
>> That sounds like a fantastic idea for a student seminar, and if you were looking for some general blindness technology staples that can benefit virtually any student, I may have some suggestions. Not sure if you guys have already come up with some of these, but here's what I've thought of pretty quick:
>> 
>> – Standard braille display would be a good one to include, preferably one with more cells than fewer so that students who may not have been very exposed to Braille displays yet can more realistically imagine reading a textbook or taking notes on it.
>> 
>> – An iPad running voiceover, possibly along with a Bluetooth keyboard. For less exposed students who may be great with their phones but haven't done much in the realm of using a full desktop screen reader, a tablet with a Bluetooth keyboard can be a good working and notetaking alternative to a laptop.
>> 
>> – A tactile drawing board, especially if you can get your hands on the nice one with the iron eraser or a sensational blackboard. Those can be immensely beneficial for students in all kinds of classes, especially math and science. I believe the company that makes the very fancy one with the iron eraser is in the process of creating a tactile printer using the same technology and computer software that takes a diagram inputted on the computer and printed tactilely with braille labels in place of print. I'm not sure if that is out just yet, but I do know that it is in the works and you can probably at least get information about it on the website. The drawing board itself though can be great for diagrams as well as tactilely writing out math problems in a way that can be visually represented through tactile means, and I even found a use for it in my psychology class.
>> 
>> – A Perkins Brailer and a slate and stylus are always great staples to have. The brailler can be great for taking notes from homework or rewriting your notes from class to help remember them, as can a slate and stylus, and a slate and stylus can always be handy to keep just to write small things, like if you ever need to take down the website or phone number and don't have easy access to your phone or some other means of writing it down. Physically writing it with the slate can also help you remember it better.
>> 
>> – I try to encourage students to go passed low vision techniques as it usually tends to be slower than non-visual techniques, but if your audience will have a large amount of students who may be more comfortable venturing into low vision Technologies, some digital magnifiers might be nice, something portable like one of the rubies. They can be handy to be able to carry it around anywhere and be able to write under it. 
>> 
>> – KNFB reader is probably a really good one. They can use it to read assignment sheets handed out in class, handouts from the disability services office, sometimes even bulletins posted outside of the classroom talking about class cancellations and such or even flyers around the school for different school-provided services or activities.
>> 
>> – Possibly some other apps, like tap tap see, a color identifier, and a money reader app, or just an actual money reader from the Bureau of engraving. I also use an accessible app for creating a list of to do tasks that turns your to do list into a game to encourage you to check off the things on your list. It is called CARROT to do.
>> 
>> – Something for listening to textbooks would probably be good, too, like a victor stream, a book port, the Bookshare app, or learning Ally.
>> 
>> Hope this is helpful! Good luck with your seminar!!
>> 
>> Ellana Crew, Vice President
>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>> 
>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
>> 
>>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 7:55 AM, Jessica via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> hello,
>>> I am the Vice President of the Alabama Association of blind students, And we are in the process of putting  together our student division luncheon seminar for our state  convention. We have came up with the idea of having A hands on demonstration technology  expo. We wanted to know if there are any new and or  old technology that will be beneficial to all blind  students in  the classrooms. 
>>> Thanks 
>>> Jessica Williams
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 23:23:38 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 15:23:38 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Popup on Dell Latitude Running Jaws 18
Message-ID: <586c3292.047c630a.8e926.2dbe@mx.google.com>

Hi All,
I have a Dell Latitude running Jaws 18.  I have a user account 
and an administrator account.  Whenever I log into my user 
account, I always get the message: "Jaws dialogue, could not load 
Braille driver." I can cancel it with the OK button, but it 
continuously keeps popping up.  Has anyone had this message 
before?
I have had this message appear for a long time when I was running 
jaws 17, so I thought updating would help.  It first appeared 
when I was at LCB trying to learn how to pair my Braillenote Apex 
together with my laptop.  Although I am able to pair them 
together, the message still continues.
Any information would be helpful.
Thanks,
Vejas


From oliver.doug1 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 23:50:54 2017
From: oliver.doug1 at gmail.com (Doug Oliver)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 17:50:54 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille edge 40 for sale
Message-ID: <44F17EB3-DCC3-4C54-A83C-00D8278FA4BE@gmail.com>

T
Just thought I would go ahead and mention that I'm selling a braille edge 40 for $3000. Serious inquiries only. Thank you. Doug Sent from my iPhone

From oliver.doug1 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 23:55:03 2017
From: oliver.doug1 at gmail.com (Doug Oliver)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 17:55:03 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille edge 40 for sale
Message-ID: <2E7BD01F-5DC1-422A-B98A-9F0608D46EE7@gmail.com>

Really quick, I wanted to pass along my contact in case anybody is interested in the braille edge. The braille edge is being sold for $3000, shipping will be at least five dollars. If anyone is interested, please contact me off list at the following email address.  oliver.doug1 at gmail.com

Sent from my iPhone

From ahbeeorton at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  4 00:28:34 2017
From: ahbeeorton at yahoo.com (Ahbee Orton)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 18:28:34 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] how to prepare for college coursework
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Thank you all for your input and letting me know how to start getting prepared for college!  I'm glad that you all are available to help me! 

Thanks again, 
Ahbee


Sent from Ahbee's iPhone

> On Dec 29, 2016, at 2:21 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I second all of this anew. Also make sure you have a good support system within and throughout college.
> Emma 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2016, at 7:51 AM, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> There are many steps that you can take to prepare for college coursework.  The first is to make sure you are registered with the Office for students with disabilities on your college campus.  I always requested my books right after I registered for classes.  Last Fall I received my books for the Spring semester before Christmas break.  I was able to begin reading the first chapter of my Advertising text before the class even started.
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From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Jan  4 03:30:18 2017
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 21:30:18 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Inquiry re. LiveOps
Message-ID: <auto-000074179141@mailfront1.g2host.com>

Please contact Rob directly at the address at 
bottom of message as he may not be on this list.

Dave




>
>Hello listers,
>
>I am curious as to whether anyone has had any 
>experience working as an independent contractor 
>with a telecommuting company called LiveOps. 
>There are some opportunities that interest me, 
>but as is often the case, systems such as VPN’s, 
>proprietary company software and virtual 
>training classroom systems are often 
>incompatible with screenreaders. I am currently 
>using JAWS 17 but will graduate to JAWS 18 as soon as aI get my SmA updated.
>
>Thanks in advance for info and shared experiences.
>
>Best regards,
>Rob Tabor & White Cane Raúl III
rob.tabor at sbcglobal.net



From iperrault at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  4 15:45:04 2017
From: iperrault at hotmail.com (Ian Perrault)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 15:45:04 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Greyhound
Message-ID: <DM5PR13MB11615CB9A836112A803775A0BF610@DM5PR13MB1161.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>

Hi All,
Does anyone know what the NFB is doing about the inaccessibility of Greyhound's web site and the IPhone app? I was just trying to find the box where I can enter my credit card, and it's impossible to locate with JAWS! I've contacted them, and the IPhone app is also completely inaccessible. Hopefully the NFB can really get on them.
Ian
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Wed Jan  4 21:52:06 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2017 13:52:06 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Greyhound
Message-ID: <586d6ea0.46dc620a.1fcf8.a097@mx.google.com>

Hi Ian,
I am not familiar with the Greyhound app.  I have taken Greyhound 
once before, when I was at LCB student and had to independently 
travel to Shreveport from Ruston for my out-of-town.  I googled 
"greyhound customer service".  There are several numbers, but I 
believe that this was an 800 number.  The number that I used is 
not the one you may have heard about with "Gracie", the virtual 
Greyhound guide; it was to an actual person.  (I don't believe 
Gracie is accessible to use).
That being said, they appear to only be able to schedule rides, 
not work with refunds.  I had some issues with my trip and had to 
delay it by 3 days.  They cannot deal with refunds.  I ended up 
just accepting the fact that I wouldn't get my money back from 
the original trip, although in hindsight I would have made more 
of an effort to get it back, which I have heard is a tedious 
process.  I have also heard that Greyhound likes to rip off its 
customers.
Vejas



 ----- Original Message -----
From: Ian Perrault via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 15:45:04 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Greyhound

Hi All,
Does anyone know what the NFB is doing about the inaccessibility 
of Greyhound's web site and the IPhone app? I was just trying to 
find the box where I can enter my credit card, and it's 
impossible to locate with JAWS! I've contacted them, and the 
IPhone app is also completely inaccessible.  Hopefully the NFB 
can really get on them.
Ian



From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Jan  4 23:09:17 2017
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 18:09:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote mpower as a bluetooth braille display?
In-Reply-To: <CABgZ1aur6GMVO=ZiMgx0OzhrkHweP7B8ry95J88hR8_nBK-3tw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABgZ1aur6GMVO=ZiMgx0OzhrkHweP7B8ry95J88hR8_nBK-3tw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3DDAD61FCA5642DDBF847E67B9277FD7@OwnerPC>

I think your keysoft is too old to be functioning as a bluetooth display. I 
was able to upgrade my mpower to version 8. But I did that years back. You 
might call tech support to see if this is possible, but I suspect not.
Why not pair it using wiring. That should work; just use a USB connection.

Ashley


-----Original Message----- 
From: DaVid via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 7:46 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: DaVid
Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote mpower as a bluetooth braille display?

Hi all.
I have a BrailleNote mpower with keysoft 7.2. I can't upgrade it to
8.1 because humanware doesn't support it now.
In the manual I read that this device can be connected to a computer
by bluetooth or serial and acts as a braille display.
Well, my computer hasn't serial, then I tried bluetooth. But I cant
figure how to set it with NVDA or jaws.
I installed Microsoft Windows Mobile Device Center 6.1 to get
activeSync service on bluetooth. Then I paired it, set brailleNote as
a braille terminal, but NVDA or JAWS can't detect it as a braille
display.
Sometimes brailleNote fails to active braille terminal mode. Says
serial port is unavailable. I restart the connection and solve it.
Also I added a bluetooth serial input port in my computer. From
Windows mobile device center Y can access brailleNote by this port,
even I can access to braillenote files etc.
I tried to select this bluetooth serial port on the braille display
port configuration, but NVDA shows an error.
I tried it on windows 7 and 8.1.
Also I tried to configure this device with iPhone, since iPhone offers
activeSync service but VoiceOver seems to be incompatible with this
protocol.
I need help because at this time, I only have Access to this braille 
display.
Thanks :)

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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Jan  5 00:47:39 2017
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 19:47:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Braille Textbooks
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Vejas,

Given how much space braille takes up, I'd suggest keeping just the volumes 
you currently need in the dorm and store the rest somewhere else such as the 
dss office.
I did not get braille texts in college, so I'm glad to hear someone has that 
and hope it helps.

Ashley


-----Original Message----- 
From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 3:51 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Braille Textbooks

Hi,
I hope everyone is having a great 2017.  I understand that there
is not going to be a "One-size fits all" answer to my question,
so was just curious about what others have done.
I have 2 classes that will have Braille textbooks.  This is
different to last semester, when I had all electronic books.
I am in a single room but regardount of rooming situations, when
it comes to storing all the volumes of textbooks do you:
- Store all textbooks in your dorm?
- Keep the volumes you currently need in the dorm, but keep the
rest in the DSS office?
Or any other method?
Also, do you email the teacher ahead of time to ask which pages
will be used?
Any ideas would be great.
Thanks,
Vejas

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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Jan  5 01:10:56 2017
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:10:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Braille Textbooks
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References: <586a1497.4766630a.5528e.ece0@mx.google.com>
	<F120EA82-BD35-4F80-BC84-B4095D822073@icloud.com>
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Mikayla,

Generally speaking, your TVI is right. College texts are usually a little 
bigger than high school ones and your professors will likely require recent 
versions which came out within a year or two. Braille would be impractical. 
Each book would be like 40 or 50 volumes and with four classes, you could 
not store all braille texts. Next, its real expensive to produce a braille 
text that will likely not be used again because textbooks are quickly 
outdated. And finally, there is little time to get books transcribed. So you 
will need to depend on electronic texts and use speech output for books or 
use Learning ally books. Most colleges nowadays provide electronic texts 
from the publisher and then you can read on your pc or on a text to speech 
device such as a vr stream. You can read braille on a braille display if you 
have that or a braille notetaking device. Your electronic texts may be able 
to be read on a braille display.
While  most texts will be read with speech, there are some options to obtain 
electronic braille if you can read via a braille display.
I do not know if you have a braille notetaker or braille display.


Here are some options for obtaining  electronic braille. NLS also produces 
some classics in  hard copy braille so you might find those useful for 
literature classes. For instance, one english class I signed up for and 
ended up dropping required the Great Gatsby, and I got that through my NLS 
network library in braille.

For electronic braille:

1. For older books out of copy right or famous documents such as  The 
Constitution, Gettysburg address, I have a Dream Speech or the Bible, try 
the internet. Project Guttenberg has many free downloadable books and 
documents.

2. Use BARD to download electronic braille books; and if you do not use BARD 
through your NLS program, I highly suggest signing up.

3. Assuming you have bookshare though bookshare.org, you can download many 
books in brf format. BRF simply means they were already translated into 
braille.

4. If you can pay for books, check National braille press which offers 
everything in ebraille and hard copy nowadays.

But yeah, your TVI is pretty right. I got through college and current 
electives primarily via audio.

HTH,
Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 1:39 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Mikayla Gephart
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about Braille Textbooks

Hi,
     I do not have an answer for you. However, this is making me feel better 
about college. My TVI had said that I may not get braille textbooks in 
college. Thank you for sending this message.
Mikayla
> On Jan 2, 2017, at 3:51 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I hope everyone is having a great 2017.  I understand that there is not 
> going to be a "One-size fits all" answer to my question, so was just 
> curious about what others have done.
> I have 2 classes that will have Braille textbooks.  This is different to 
> last semester, when I had all electronic books.
> I am in a single room but regardount of rooming situations, when it comes 
> to storing all the volumes of textbooks do you:
> - Store all textbooks in your dorm?
> - Keep the volumes you currently need in the dorm, but keep the rest in 
> the DSS office?
> Or any other method?
> Also, do you email the teacher ahead of time to ask which pages will be 
> used?
> Any ideas would be great.
> Thanks,
> Vejas
>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Jan  5 02:20:15 2017
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 21:20:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Technology for a    hands on expo
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Ellana,
I like your list of technology! How about also adding a digital recorder in 
case someone uses that to record class.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Ellana Crew via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 11:49 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Ellana Crew
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seeking Technology for a hands on expo

Hi there Jessica,

That sounds like a fantastic idea for a student seminar, and if you were 
looking for some general blindness technology staples that can benefit 
virtually any student, I may have some suggestions. Not sure if you guys 
have already come up with some of these, but here's what I've thought of 
pretty quick:

– Standard braille display would be a good one to include, preferably one 
with more cells than fewer so that students who may not have been very 
exposed to Braille displays yet can more realistically imagine reading a 
textbook or taking notes on it.

– An iPad running voiceover, possibly along with a Bluetooth keyboard. For 
less exposed students who may be great with their phones but haven't done 
much in the realm of using a full desktop screen reader, a tablet with a 
Bluetooth keyboard can be a good working and notetaking alternative to a 
laptop.

– A tactile drawing board, especially if you can get your hands on the nice 
one with the iron eraser or a sensational blackboard. Those can be immensely 
beneficial for students in all kinds of classes, especially math and 
science. I believe the company that makes the very fancy one with the iron 
eraser is in the process of creating a tactile printer using the same 
technology and computer software that takes a diagram inputted on the 
computer and printed tactilely with braille labels in place of print. I'm 
not sure if that is out just yet, but I do know that it is in the works and 
you can probably at least get information about it on the website. The 
drawing board itself though can be great for diagrams as well as tactilely 
writing out math problems in a way that can be visually represented through 
tactile means, and I even found a use for it in my psychology class.

– A Perkins Brailer and a slate and stylus are always great staples to have. 
The brailler can be great for taking notes from homework or rewriting your 
notes from class to help remember them, as can a slate and stylus, and a 
slate and stylus can always be handy to keep just to write small things, 
like if you ever need to take down the website or phone number and don't 
have easy access to your phone or some other means of writing it down. 
Physically writing it with the slate can also help you remember it better.

– I try to encourage students to go passed low vision techniques as it 
usually tends to be slower than non-visual techniques, but if your audience 
will have a large amount of students who may be more comfortable venturing 
into low vision Technologies, some digital magnifiers might be nice, 
something portable like one of the rubies. They can be handy to be able to 
carry it around anywhere and be able to write under it.

– KNFB reader is probably a really good one. They can use it to read 
assignment sheets handed out in class, handouts from the disability services 
office, sometimes even bulletins posted outside of the classroom talking 
about class cancellations and such or even flyers around the school for 
different school-provided services or activities.

– Possibly some other apps, like tap tap see, a color identifier, and a 
money reader app, or just an actual money reader from the Bureau of 
engraving. I also use an accessible app for creating a list of to do tasks 
that turns your to do list into a game to encourage you to check off the 
things on your list. It is called CARROT to do.

– Something for listening to textbooks would probably be good, too, like a 
victor stream, a book port, the Bookshare app, or learning Ally.

Hope this is helpful! Good luck with your seminar!!

Ellana Crew, Vice President
Maryland Association of Blind Students

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the 
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the 
expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles 
between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; 
blindness is not what holds you back.

> On Jan 3, 2017, at 7:55 AM, Jessica via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> hello,
> I am the Vice President of the Alabama Association of blind students, And 
> we are in the process of putting  together our student division luncheon 
> seminar for our state  convention. We have came up with the idea of having 
> A hands on demonstration technology  expo. We wanted to know if there are 
> any new and or  old technology that will be beneficial to all blind 
> students in  the classrooms.
> Thanks
> Jessica Williams
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  5 02:25:33 2017
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 21:25:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Now is possible to double tap and hold with a bluetooth
 keyboard in order to record a voice message in whatsApp and an audio
 message in the message app
Message-ID: <F5D51AAD-AEDC-4AD9-9ECA-E1B83782F7B5@gmail.com>

Hi all! How are you all? I think you might find this  interesting. So I find  out  that you can double tap and hold on teh voice message button  in the Whatsapp app,and in the message app on the record audio  button with a Bluetooth keyboard. You may wonder how? So on WhatsApp, you navigate to your voice message with your keyboard, when you get there perform VO Plus Shift plus M in order to double tap and hold, when you finish recording you audio message to sen dit, you need to go right arrow or go Vo Right arrow and  you will    find Voice message button,and just double tap on it with Vo space bar, or by  pressing up and  down arrow key if you have quick nab enable, or jus by double tapping  on the screen with your finger.  And now  for the  message app, go inside the message app, find the person you want  to send an audio  message then find audio message button with your keyboard, and perform Vo Plus Shift plus M to double tap and hold, and when you  finish recording just let go of the  keys. Here Voiceover says if you flick right Stop recording  Video, but I think   This  is an audio message,and just send it by double tapping on send  button. By Vo I mean Control  and option  keys at the  same time or caps lock key. Hope this helps some! These steps also work on facebook messenger, but I have no try them yet. I can confirm with you guys if it works on facebook messenger i fyou ugys want. Just let me know ok? And if any of you can see some, I wil like som confirmation that when voiceover says stop recording Video, is that a video or  an audio  message on the  message  app? I wil really  appreciate it a lot! I look forward in hearing from  you soon. Thanks and God bless!

  Helga Schreiber 
Group Moderator  
 
  for the IPad help for the blind 
 
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Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Thu Jan  5 12:54:38 2017
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2017 04:54:38 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions About the Disabilities Office and
 Readers
In-Reply-To: <6AAA6F2F-1E4B-4734-80B1-D6E64F04CEFB@gmail.com>
References: <SN1PR12MB0159EE735F22E1203239517ABAA80@SN1PR12MB0159.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
	<6AAA6F2F-1E4B-4734-80B1-D6E64F04CEFB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.308.1772982283.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

I agree, professors ought to have lisense to talk with the DSS folks 
without you if that what needs doing.
CarAt 05:46 PM 10/24/2016, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote:
>I'm probably going to go completely against the grain here but I 
>don't see a problem with your professor having a meeting with your 
>disability services. At my school I have signed a document with 
>permission for DSS to communicate with the professors if necessary. 
>Yes, you ideally should be doing the communicating but I would see 
>this as all parties wanting to work together to help you.
>Vejas
>
> > On Oct 24, 2016, at 17:06, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I have some more questions as it relates to using readers during 
> class from the disabilities office. I chose to use a reader for my 
> science class as I thought it was the best option for me based on 
> the way my professor teaches this class. Since my professor likes 
> to do random activities in hard copy print, I thought the best way 
> to be accommodated for this class was to have a reader for the full 
> duration of each class period. I felt as though this was the best 
> way for me to be able to participate in class along with my sighted classmates.
> >
> > However, last week my reader informed me that the person in 
> charge of the disabilities office was going to be meeting with my 
> professor to talk about some things related to the class. I thought 
> this was rather odd as the person in charge of the disabilities 
> office did not contact me about meeting with my professor. I feel 
> as though having the person in charge of the disabilities office 
> contacting my professor without contacting me first is 
> inappropriate. However, the person in charge of the disabilities 
> office does not agree with me.
> >
> > I was informed that the readers and the person in charge of the 
> disabilities office connect with each other throughout the semester 
> to talk about the in-class reader assistance to see if any changes 
> need to be made. As a part of this process, the person in charge of 
> the disabilities office will often contact the professor to ask 
> them questions related to the structure and format of the class. I 
> do not agree with the person in charge being able to contact my 
> professor without talking to me about it first regardless of the 
> reason. The accommodations are between me and the disabilities 
> office and not my professor and the disabilities office.
> >
> > So I am simply curious, what are the typical guidelines and 
> procedures in regards to the person in charge of contacting 
> professors without talking to a student about it first? Are there 
> any reasons or circumstances where it would be okay for the person 
> in charge of the disabilities office to contact my professor 
> without talking to me about it first? I do not believe there would 
> be any reason for the person in charge of the disabilities office 
> to contact my professor without talking to me about it first. 
> Therefore, I thought I would ask about it on this email list to 
> receive different perspectives in regards to this issue. Any 
> information anyone could provide in regards to this matter would be 
> greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Elizabeth
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Thu Jan  5 13:17:06 2017
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2017 05:17:06 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] The Next Few Years of My Life
In-Reply-To: <50B6AA4B-7726-4F10-B108-DF6F91D48C16@yahoo.com>
References: <50B6AA4B-7726-4F10-B108-DF6F91D48C16@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.309.1772982283.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Good morning, Ahbie,

Nice but remember to keep it simple. You are already split in so many 
dirrections, you don;'t need to do all that.At 07:09 PM 12/3/2016, 
Ahbee Orton via NABS-L wrote:
>Dear All,
>
>I am really thinking a lot about my next few years for high school 
>and college. I have considered several options. I could take my 
>school's AP courses for the next two years to graduate. I could take 
>a hybrid between Hadley courses and my high school's courses. I 
>could participate in dual enrollment, or this special program that 
>my school offers with a college, to get my Freshman year done. The 
>last option is to take all Hadley next year, and graduate from high 
>school early. I'd be able to work if I wanted to and prepare for the 
>ACT or SAT. I also want to go to a training center the year I'd be 
>in 12th grade, but I could finish early and do the training center. 
>What do you think is the best way to go? Thank you!
>
>
>Sent from Ahbee's iPhone
>
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Thu Jan  5 15:24:44 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2017 07:24:44 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille
Message-ID: <586e6556.4b16620a.b3466.e216@mx.google.com>

Hi,
I just wanted to inform all of you who are considering obtaining 
a Neo-Braille that I have found out yesterday that the release 
date has been pushed back to the end of February, which explains 
the limited discussion about it within the general public.  If 
you go to the Irie AT website, and click on "contact us", you can 
email to ask them to tell you when it's out, or ask them any 
further questions.
Vejas


From jldail13 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  5 15:57:30 2017
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2017 10:57:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible ways to access icloud services like contacts
 and calendars on bn touch, and keep it synced?
Message-ID: <586e6cf4.d142240a.78f12.8872@mx.google.com>

Hi,
Subject says it all.
I'm looking for an accessible way to access and sync my icloud data with my bn touch.
Can anyone tell me how to do this successfully?
Thanks,
Jessica

From eemcrew at gmail.com  Thu Jan  5 16:14:23 2017
From: eemcrew at gmail.com (Ellana Crew)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 11:14:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Technology for a    hands on expo
In-Reply-To: <2153595CCEC142C49D4CB4442F908505@OwnerPC>
References: <4E1878F7-00BA-422C-9D60-C79EC11DB3B1@jagmail.southalabama.edu>
	<05E48CFF-32DE-420B-B04B-783A52429F2C@gmail.com>
	<2153595CCEC142C49D4CB4442F908505@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <C030A82D-4E28-420B-8C46-D339D7BBA2B5@gmail.com>

Ashley,

Yes, that is actually a great addition to the list that I can't believe I forgot! Recorders are super common and definitely helpful for a lot of people. Jessica, I think you can even get recorders specifically designed for blind people with primarily nonvisual navigation. Again, not sure if any of you guys on your student board already knew that, but just in case, I figured I'd throw it out there. That is a great seminar idea and I hope it goes really well!

Ellana Crew, Vice President
Maryland Association of Blind Students
Membership/Communications Co-Chair and Social Media Coordinator, Maryland Association of Blind Students
Website: nfbmd.org/students
Facebook: facebook.com/mdabs.federation
Twitter: @MDABS_NFB

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.

> On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:20 PM, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Ellana,
> I like your list of technology! How about also adding a digital recorder in case someone uses that to record class.
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Ellana Crew via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 11:49 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Ellana Crew
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seeking Technology for a hands on expo
> 
> Hi there Jessica,
> 
> That sounds like a fantastic idea for a student seminar, and if you were looking for some general blindness technology staples that can benefit virtually any student, I may have some suggestions. Not sure if you guys have already come up with some of these, but here's what I've thought of pretty quick:
> 
> – Standard braille display would be a good one to include, preferably one with more cells than fewer so that students who may not have been very exposed to Braille displays yet can more realistically imagine reading a textbook or taking notes on it.
> 
> – An iPad running voiceover, possibly along with a Bluetooth keyboard. For less exposed students who may be great with their phones but haven't done much in the realm of using a full desktop screen reader, a tablet with a Bluetooth keyboard can be a good working and notetaking alternative to a laptop.
> 
> – A tactile drawing board, especially if you can get your hands on the nice one with the iron eraser or a sensational blackboard. Those can be immensely beneficial for students in all kinds of classes, especially math and science. I believe the company that makes the very fancy one with the iron eraser is in the process of creating a tactile printer using the same technology and computer software that takes a diagram inputted on the computer and printed tactilely with braille labels in place of print. I'm not sure if that is out just yet, but I do know that it is in the works and you can probably at least get information about it on the website. The drawing board itself though can be great for diagrams as well as tactilely writing out math problems in a way that can be visually represented through tactile means, and I even found a use for it in my psychology class.
> 
> – A Perkins Brailer and a slate and stylus are always great staples to have. The brailler can be great for taking notes from homework or rewriting your notes from class to help remember them, as can a slate and stylus, and a slate and stylus can always be handy to keep just to write small things, like if you ever need to take down the website or phone number and don't have easy access to your phone or some other means of writing it down. Physically writing it with the slate can also help you remember it better.
> 
> – I try to encourage students to go passed low vision techniques as it usually tends to be slower than non-visual techniques, but if your audience will have a large amount of students who may be more comfortable venturing into low vision Technologies, some digital magnifiers might be nice, something portable like one of the rubies. They can be handy to be able to carry it around anywhere and be able to write under it.
> 
> – KNFB reader is probably a really good one. They can use it to read assignment sheets handed out in class, handouts from the disability services office, sometimes even bulletins posted outside of the classroom talking about class cancellations and such or even flyers around the school for different school-provided services or activities.
> 
> – Possibly some other apps, like tap tap see, a color identifier, and a money reader app, or just an actual money reader from the Bureau of engraving. I also use an accessible app for creating a list of to do tasks that turns your to do list into a game to encourage you to check off the things on your list. It is called CARROT to do.
> 
> – Something for listening to textbooks would probably be good, too, like a victor stream, a book port, the Bookshare app, or learning Ally.
> 
> Hope this is helpful! Good luck with your seminar!!
> 
> Ellana Crew, Vice President
> Maryland Association of Blind Students
> 
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
> 
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 7:55 AM, Jessica via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> hello,
>> I am the Vice President of the Alabama Association of blind students, And we are in the process of putting  together our student division luncheon seminar for our state  convention. We have came up with the idea of having A hands on demonstration technology  expo. We wanted to know if there are any new and or  old technology that will be beneficial to all blind students in  the classrooms.
>> Thanks
>> Jessica Williams
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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  5 17:05:03 2017
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2017 12:05:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] help navigating the Kindle app on my bn touch
Message-ID: <586e7ccc.4709240a.5d27d.82aa@mx.google.com>

Hi,
I have lots of books in my Kindle library that I'd like to read.
The "Amazon Kindle" app is 100% accessible on my braillenote touch.
However, once I get to the end of the first block of text on the braille display, I can't scroll to read the rest.
Can anyone please tell me how to scroll my display in this way?
I'd love to be able to fully "read" a Kindle book on my braillenote.
Once I reach the end of the display text, I get a button that says, "start continuious reading using text to speech."
I'd like to just read in braille if at all possible.
Thanks,
Jessica

From sbonenfant2 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 01:36:27 2017
From: sbonenfant2 at gmail.com (Simon Bonenfant)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 20:36:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Now is possible to double tap and hold with a
 bluetooth keyboard in order to record a voice message in whatsApp and an
 audio message in the message app
In-Reply-To: <F5D51AAD-AEDC-4AD9-9ECA-E1B83782F7B5@gmail.com>
References: <F5D51AAD-AEDC-4AD9-9ECA-E1B83782F7B5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0897AB84-941C-4397-B0B6-4392BEEFFA2D@gmail.com>

I just tried it, and it is an audio message, how ever i found a bug when you press the stop recording video button with the keyboard, it will not stop the recording and voice over com threw, the only way i got it to stop recording was when i press the send button. How ever, i will try to play it and then i think it will stop the recording when you play back the recording because it is done 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:25 PM, Helga Schreiber via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all! How are you all? I think you might find this  interesting. So I find  out  that you can double tap and hold on teh voice message button  in the Whatsapp app,and in the message app on the record audio  button with a Bluetooth keyboard. You may wonder how? So on WhatsApp, you navigate to your voice message with your keyboard, when you get there perform VO Plus Shift plus M in order to double tap and hold, when you finish recording you audio message to sen dit, you need to go right arrow or go Vo Right arrow and  you will    find Voice message button,and just double tap on it with Vo space bar, or by  pressing up and  down arrow key if you have quick nab enable, or jus by double tapping  on the screen with your finger.  And now  for the  message app, go inside the message app, find the person you want  to send an audio  message then find audio message button with your keyboard, and perform Vo Plus Shift plus M to double tap and hold, and when you  finish recording just let go of the  keys. Here Voiceover says if you flick right Stop recording  Video, but I think   This  is an audio message,and just send it by double tapping on send  button. By Vo I mean Control  and option  keys at the  same time or caps lock key. Hope this helps some! These steps also work on facebook messenger, but I have no try them yet. I can confirm with you guys if it works on facebook messenger i fyou ugys want. Just let me know ok? And if any of you can see some, I wil like som confirmation that when voiceover says stop recording Video, is that a video or  an audio  message on the  message  app? I wil really  appreciate it a lot! I look forward in hearing from  you soon. Thanks and God bless!
> 
>  Helga Schreiber 
> Group Moderator  
> 
>  for the IPad help for the blind 
> 
> IPadhelpfortheblind+subscribe at groups.io  
> 
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
> Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.1.1    
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From spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan  6 01:50:03 2017
From: spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net (Jen)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 20:50:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Touch Cursors
Message-ID: <000201d267bf$337907b0$9a6b1710$@sbcglobal.net>

Okay, I just have to tag on to the "double-tap to record a message"
thread...

Personally, touch cursors freak me out because ... there is nothing to
touch!!! You flick your fingers on a blank spot on the screen, and the next
thing you know, something happens...

Are there any blindness skills related to touch cursor use? I don't have a
cell phone, and I'm worried the one I get would be a touch cursor one.



From 1008jmd at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 11:35:02 2017
From: 1008jmd at gmail.com (John Dowling)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 06:35:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Now is possible to double tap and hold with a
 bluetooth keyboard in order to record a voice message in whatsApp and an
 audio message in the message app
In-Reply-To: <0897AB84-941C-4397-B0B6-4392BEEFFA2D@gmail.com>
References: <F5D51AAD-AEDC-4AD9-9ECA-E1B83782F7B5@gmail.com>
	<0897AB84-941C-4397-B0B6-4392BEEFFA2D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <72A837CB-7C86-4099-B075-E74D5CA93AA9@gmail.com>

this is very interesting. I will be shore to check it out the next time I play with my keyboard.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 5, 2017, at 8:36 PM, Simon Bonenfant via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I just tried it, and it is an audio message, how ever i found a bug when you press the stop recording video button with the keyboard, it will not stop the recording and voice over com threw, the only way i got it to stop recording was when i press the send button. How ever, i will try to play it and then i think it will stop the recording when you play back the recording because it is done 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:25 PM, Helga Schreiber via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all! How are you all? I think you might find this  interesting. So I find  out  that you can double tap and hold on teh voice message button  in the Whatsapp app,and in the message app on the record audio  button with a Bluetooth keyboard. You may wonder how? So on WhatsApp, you navigate to your voice message with your keyboard, when you get there perform VO Plus Shift plus M in order to double tap and hold, when you finish recording you audio message to sen dit, you need to go right arrow or go Vo Right arrow and  you will    find Voice message button,and just double tap on it with Vo space bar, or by  pressing up and  down arrow key if you have quick nab enable, or jus by double tapping  on the screen with your finger.  And now  for the  message app, go inside the message app, find the person you want  to send an audio  message then find audio message button with your keyboard, and perform Vo Plus Shift plus M to double tap and hold, and when you  finish recording just let go of the  keys. Here Voiceover says if you flick right Stop recording  Video, but I think   This  is an audio message,and just send it by double tapping on send  button. By Vo I mean Control  and option  keys at the  same time or caps lock key. Hope this helps some! These steps also work on facebook messenger, but I have no try them yet. I can confirm with you guys if it works on facebook messenger i fyou ugys want. Just let me know ok? And if any of you can see some, I wil like som confirmation that when voiceover says stop recording Video, is that a video or  an audio  message on the  message  app? I wil really  appreciate it a lot! I look forward in hearing from  you soon. Thanks and God bless!
>> 
>> Helga Schreiber 
>> Group Moderator  
>> 
>> for the IPad help for the blind 
>> 
>> IPadhelpfortheblind+subscribe at groups.io  
>> 
>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
>> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
>> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 
>> 
>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
>> Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.1.1    
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From luke.schwinck at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  6 15:54:28 2017
From: luke.schwinck at hotmail.com (luke schwinck)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 15:54:28 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] fundraising meeting
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Good Morning NABsters,



I hope this message finds all of you fat and happy from the holiday season!  Now that Santa has come and gone it is time to get back to it!  The NABS Fundraising Committee will be meeting this Saturday January 8th at 8pm central time, to discuss our active fundraisers and of course the relentlessly approaching Washington Seminar and NABS Café.  We will also be spit balling ideas for spring fundraiser so I hope that we will have all of you there to share the ingenious ideas that I'm sure have been bubbling up in your brilliant minds over the holidays.



Thank you all for your constant support of our movement and I look forward to hearing all of your input and ideas this Saturday January 8th at 8pm central time.  Just as a reminder the number to call is 605-475-6700 and the pin is 7869673.  Thanks again and talk to you soon!



Best Regards,

Luke A. Schwinck

Chair

Fundraising Committee of the National Association of Blind Students

From jldail13 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 16:17:06 2017
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 11:17:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Serious problems with web view" being displays when
 opening email and other types of content like trying to sig into Rrs
 services?
Message-ID: <586fc307.ce00240a.f1748.7c7f@mx.google.com>

Hi,
Sorry for the ofg subject, but I didn't know how else to phrase it.
As the subject says, I need help with "web views"
I constantly get them when opening emails as well as when trying to sign into my rss service of choice, which is feedly. Every app I tried; and I've tried a lot of them, just give me a "web view" when I try to sig in with Google.
I'd like to get something working, because I'd like to reads my RS content on my braillenote touch.
Can anyone tell me what "web views" are?
Can I get rid of them forever?
I've gotten them ever since receiving my braillenote last October.
Thanks,
Jessica

From luke.schwinck at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  6 16:40:26 2017
From: luke.schwinck at hotmail.com (luke schwinck)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 16:40:26 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] date mix up
Message-ID: <CY4PR22MB0965D86A3686EAE2EB748907F6630@CY4PR22MB0965.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

I'm sorry for the mix up with dates.  The fundraising committee meeting will be on Saturday January 7th.

From jldail13 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 20:53:04 2017
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 15:53:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] College degrees/programs and textbooks for visually
 impaired in eletronic braille
Message-ID: <587003b8.c92a240a.708d4.9745@mx.google.com>

Hi,
I'm thinking about going to college.
I'd like to know how I can obtain textbooks in electronic braille, as well as what degrees/programs you recommend.
I've never been in college before.
Thanks,
Jessica

From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 21:05:48 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 13:05:48 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] College degrees/programs and textbooks for
 visuallyimpaired in eletronic braille
Message-ID: <587006c9.4430620a.9fb33.faa9@mx.google.com>

Hi Jessica,
If you have a particular career interest, you can research 
schools based on these interests.  Taking tours of schools is 
very helpful.  Think to yourself: Do I want to go to a large or 
small college? Do I want to go close or far away from home? Do I 
want to live in a dorm, apartment or other accommodation?
Many textbooks are available on Bookshare and Learning Ally.  For 
these that are not, the college's disability services should be 
able to scan the book if you buy a hard copy, but I have also 
heard of other colleges' disability services being unwilling 
and/or unable to do this, and I believe it can be done with the 
KNFB Reader.
Vejas

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 15:53:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] College degrees/programs and textbooks for 
visuallyimpaired in eletronic braille

Hi,
I'm thinking about going to college.
I'd like to know how I can obtain textbooks in electronic 
braille, as well as what degrees/programs you recommend.
I've never been in college before.
Thanks,
Jessica
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From taylorarndt99 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 21:15:58 2017
From: taylorarndt99 at gmail.com (Taylor Arndt)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 16:15:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] College degrees/programs and textbooks for visually
 impaired in eletronic braille
In-Reply-To: <587003b8.c92a240a.708d4.9745@mx.google.com>
References: <587003b8.c92a240a.708d4.9745@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <22C5147A-A395-4922-874B-2862B54C722B@gmail.com>

Book Share and Learning Ally are amazing sources for textbooks. I know Learning Ally does not have braille, but you can get awesome figure descriptions for those technical courses.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 6, 2017, at 3:53 PM, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I'm thinking about going to college.
> I'd like to know how I can obtain textbooks in electronic braille, as well as what degrees/programs you recommend.
> I've never been in college before.
> Thanks,
> Jessica
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From misokwak12 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 21:16:17 2017
From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 13:16:17 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] College degrees/programs and textbooks for
 visuallyimpaired in eletronic braille
In-Reply-To: <587006c9.4430620a.9fb33.faa9@mx.google.com>
References: <587006c9.4430620a.9fb33.faa9@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAMe9x_ENrREs22-ku5EB2wcweCGkfALnkgM4WZC61y+ny=Fh2w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jessica,
I am excited for you that you are considering to pursue higher education!

I personally like books from Bookshare. You can download the books as brf files.
I also have been able to get my readings in electronic braille through
my university's Center for Accessible Education.

In terms of degrees and programs, it would depend on what you are
interested in learning and what your goal is after college.

Best of luck!
Miso

On 1/6/17, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Jessica,
> If you have a particular career interest, you can research
> schools based on these interests.  Taking tours of schools is
> very helpful.  Think to yourself: Do I want to go to a large or
> small college? Do I want to go close or far away from home? Do I
> want to live in a dorm, apartment or other accommodation?
> Many textbooks are available on Bookshare and Learning Ally.  For
> these that are not, the college's disability services should be
> able to scan the book if you buy a hard copy, but I have also
> heard of other colleges' disability services being unwilling
> and/or unable to do this, and I believe it can be done with the
> KNFB Reader.
> Vejas
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 15:53:04 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] College degrees/programs and textbooks for
> visuallyimpaired in eletronic braille
>
> Hi,
> I'm thinking about going to college.
> I'd like to know how I can obtain textbooks in electronic
> braille, as well as what degrees/programs you recommend.
> I've never been in college before.
> Thanks,
> Jessica
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-- 
Mi So Kwak
University of California, Los Angeles | 2017
Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
(909) 660-1897


From misokwak12 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 21:25:44 2017
From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 13:25:44 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Budgeting Apps
Message-ID: <CAMe9x_Fp7b4og4zfN4CgMx03c9kgLLBCgOKgEaqqAv5Bu0RN+g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,
I've been keeping my budget as a document on BrailleNote Apex thus far.
I am looking for ways to make the budgeting process more efficient and accurate.
Does anyone have a recommendation for budgeting app for iPhone that is
accessible?

Thanks in advance.
Miso Kwak


From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 21:58:49 2017
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 16:58:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] College degrees/programs and textbooks for
 visuallyimpaired in eletronic braille
Message-ID: <5870132b.4571810a.6b136.8e35@mx.google.com>

Hi Jessica,

As others have said, Bookshare is a great resource.  Your 
school's Disabled Student Services should also be able to get you 
publisher files or scan your books for you (some schools really 
do not have scanning capability, but publishers are required to 
provide a PDF of the book on request).  You may also be able to 
use an e-book reading app like IBooks or Kindal on your phone and 
pair your phone with a refreshable braille display or notetaker.  
None of us will really be able to tell you anything about what 
degree to get without knowing what your interests are.  Most 
people change their major several times though, so don't feel 
like you have to have your whole life planned out ahead of you to 
start college.  One good thing to do is to start with a 
generalized major like liberal arts and take courses from 
different subjects to see what interests you.  If you're not 
really sure what you want to do, it might also make sense for you 
to get an Associate's degree from a community college (if there's 
a good one near you) before transfering to a four year 
school--this is much cheeper and arguably gets you a better 
education since you'll be taking smaller classes with actual 
professors instead of sitting in a huge lecture hall or having a 
class with a grad student as you would for intro level classes at 
most large universities.

HTH,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 15:53:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] College degrees/programs and textbooks for 
visuallyimpaired in eletronic braille

Hi,
I'm thinking about going to college.
I'd like to know how I can obtain textbooks in electronic 
braille, as well as what degrees/programs you recommend.
I've never been in college before.
Thanks,
Jessica
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From truewise.8614 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 01:17:32 2017
From: truewise.8614 at gmail.com (Vanna Song)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 17:17:32 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] College degrees/programs and textbooks for
 visuallyimpaired in eletronic braille
In-Reply-To: <5870132b.4571810a.6b136.8e35@mx.google.com>
References: <5870132b.4571810a.6b136.8e35@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAOrr3bOhSBrkkhM=Ys8P0THk5KE3vU07Lqx-u=LrNe1t7hUSFw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jessica,

Nice to hear you want to pursue higher education. Books, you can get
from Learning Ally and BookShare. You can also get books from BARD. If
you use a smart phone or tablet, you can pair your device with a
Braille display and read books from BARD, Book Share, and iBooks. Your
college or university should also be able to provide you with
accessible versions of books. We can't recommend any degrees or career
choices for you. You will have to find that out for yourself. However,
perhaps we could guide you in a certain direction if you tell us a bit
about yourself. What is your status? Are you high school educated, or
do you have a GED? Answers to questions like this and other can help
us help you decide where to start.

On 1/6/17, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Jessica,
>
> As others have said, Bookshare is a great resource.  Your
> school's Disabled Student Services should also be able to get you
> publisher files or scan your books for you (some schools really
> do not have scanning capability, but publishers are required to
> provide a PDF of the book on request).  You may also be able to
> use an e-book reading app like IBooks or Kindal on your phone and
> pair your phone with a refreshable braille display or notetaker.
> None of us will really be able to tell you anything about what
> degree to get without knowing what your interests are.  Most
> people change their major several times though, so don't feel
> like you have to have your whole life planned out ahead of you to
> start college.  One good thing to do is to start with a
> generalized major like liberal arts and take courses from
> different subjects to see what interests you.  If you're not
> really sure what you want to do, it might also make sense for you
> to get an Associate's degree from a community college (if there's
> a good one near you) before transfering to a four year
> school--this is much cheeper and arguably gets you a better
> education since you'll be taking smaller classes with actual
> professors instead of sitting in a huge lecture hall or having a
> class with a grad student as you would for intro level classes at
> most large universities.
>
> HTH,
> Karl
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 15:53:04 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] College degrees/programs and textbooks for
> visuallyimpaired in eletronic braille
>
> Hi,
> I'm thinking about going to college.
> I'd like to know how I can obtain textbooks in electronic
> braille, as well as what degrees/programs you recommend.
> I've never been in college before.
> Thanks,
> Jessica
> _______________________________________________
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From truewise.8614 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 01:18:47 2017
From: truewise.8614 at gmail.com (Vanna Song)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 17:18:47 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Budgeting Apps
In-Reply-To: <CAMe9x_Fp7b4og4zfN4CgMx03c9kgLLBCgOKgEaqqAv5Bu0RN+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMe9x_Fp7b4og4zfN4CgMx03c9kgLLBCgOKgEaqqAv5Bu0RN+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOrr3bOcMEj=ZjdT+bAG4n51WqTdwnZPdBnSmU87FRs1oJNhcA@mail.gmail.com>

You might want to look around on applevis.com .

On 1/6/17, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> I've been keeping my budget as a document on BrailleNote Apex thus far.
> I am looking for ways to make the budgeting process more efficient and
> accurate.
> Does anyone have a recommendation for budgeting app for iPhone that is
> accessible?
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Miso Kwak
>
> _______________________________________________
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From ahbeeorton at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  7 04:01:23 2017
From: ahbeeorton at yahoo.com (Ahbee Orton)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 22:01:23 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Budgeting Apps
In-Reply-To: <CAOrr3bOcMEj=ZjdT+bAG4n51WqTdwnZPdBnSmU87FRs1oJNhcA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMe9x_Fp7b4og4zfN4CgMx03c9kgLLBCgOKgEaqqAv5Bu0RN+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOrr3bOcMEj=ZjdT+bAG4n51WqTdwnZPdBnSmU87FRs1oJNhcA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <94CB1D74-3D0D-4F84-9689-ACB57CF37081@yahoo.com>

Hi, 

I have a blind friend who uses a budgeting app called Fudget. I don't really know anything else about it except that she really likes it! I hope you will find what you're looking for! 

HTH, 
Ahbee 


Sent from Ahbee's iPhone

> On Jan 6, 2017, at 7:18 PM, Vanna Song via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> You might want to look around on applevis.com .
> 
>> On 1/6/17, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>> I've been keeping my budget as a document on BrailleNote Apex thus far.
>> I am looking for ways to make the budgeting process more efficient and
>> accurate.
>> Does anyone have a recommendation for budgeting app for iPhone that is
>> accessible?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> Miso Kwak
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> NABS-L:
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>> 
> 
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From bre.brown24 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  8 04:19:02 2017
From: bre.brown24 at gmail.com (Bre Brown)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 22:19:02 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Membership committee
Message-ID: <CACXqA0r8VNS24u-1F7Y2jGmrpkPA7xBBVq43aAUDo-4zewUkvA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

I hope your new year is off to a great start.
I just wanted to remind everyone that we will be having a membership
committee conference call tomorrow evening at 8:00 pm eastern, 7:00 pm
central. Please come if you are interested in being a part of the
committee.
Call: 405-475-6700
Passcode: 7869673

Thanks
Bre

First vice president, National Association of Blind Students


From nabs.president at gmail.com  Sun Jan  8 05:04:37 2017
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster, NABS President)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 00:04:37 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] CORRECTION: RE:  Membership committee
Message-ID: <03eb01d2696c$b6370810$22a51830$@gmail.com>

Conference line is as follows:
605-475-6700;
Access code: 7869673.

Talk to some of you tomorrow!

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bre Brown via
NABS-L
Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2017 11:19 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Bre Brown <bre.brown24 at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Membership committee

Hi everyone,

I hope your new year is off to a great start.
I just wanted to remind everyone that we will be having a membership
committee conference call tomorrow evening at 8:00 pm eastern, 7:00 pm
central. Please come if you are interested in being a part of the committee.
Call: 405-475-6700
Passcode: 7869673

Thanks
Bre

First vice president, National Association of Blind Students

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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Sun Jan  8 07:34:39 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 23:34:39 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Folder Deleted on Flash Disk of Braillenote Apex
Message-ID: <7B414336-5627-43BB-9FE8-10BA3B2FBF87@gmail.com>

Hi,
I understand that this is a bit of a long shot, but has anyone been able to restore a folder on the Braillenote Apex flash disk? I reset the braillenote and for some reason the "keyweb" folder is gone, which means I  no longer have access to the Internet. I know that I can use my phone and my computer to browse the web, which I will do, and I will call Humanware Monday. Just wondering if anyone may have had this issue.
Vejas 

From louvins at gmail.com  Sun Jan  8 09:33:37 2017
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 03:33:37 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Folder Deleted on Flash Disk of Braillenote Apex
In-Reply-To: <7B414336-5627-43BB-9FE8-10BA3B2FBF87@gmail.com>
References: <7B414336-5627-43BB-9FE8-10BA3B2FBF87@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADUoy9vxZWr4pra8cYmkE3=uCmjoy9wwF06V3qp5P_GiiWpWSA@mail.gmail.com>

That is strange.  I didn't think the apex would delete a folder if it was reset.

On 1/8/17, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> I understand that this is a bit of a long shot, but has anyone been able to
> restore a folder on the Braillenote Apex flash disk? I reset the braillenote
> and for some reason the "keyweb" folder is gone, which means I  no longer
> have access to the Internet. I know that I can use my phone and my computer
> to browse the web, which I will do, and I will call Humanware Monday. Just
> wondering if anyone may have had this issue.
> Vejas
> _______________________________________________
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From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  8 15:27:58 2017
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (Nesma Aly)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 10:27:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Folder Deleted on Flash Disk of Braillenote Apex
In-Reply-To: <CADUoy9vxZWr4pra8cYmkE3=uCmjoy9wwF06V3qp5P_GiiWpWSA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7B414336-5627-43BB-9FE8-10BA3B2FBF87@gmail.com>
	<CADUoy9vxZWr4pra8cYmkE3=uCmjoy9wwF06V3qp5P_GiiWpWSA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <08d901d269c3$cb0d9590$6128c0b0$@gmail.com>

Hi, 
Yes I had this issue once I don't remember what they told me to do to get it
back. 
Nesma

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua
Hendrickson via NABS-L
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 4:34 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Joshua Hendrickson
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Folder Deleted on Flash Disk of Braillenote Apex

That is strange.  I didn't think the apex would delete a folder if it was
reset.

On 1/8/17, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> I understand that this is a bit of a long shot, but has anyone been 
> able to restore a folder on the Braillenote Apex flash disk? I reset 
> the braillenote and for some reason the "keyweb" folder is gone, which 
> means I  no longer have access to the Internet. I know that I can use 
> my phone and my computer to browse the web, which I will do, and I 
> will call Humanware Monday. Just wondering if anyone may have had this
issue.
> Vejas
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From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  8 15:29:48 2017
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (Nesma Aly)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 10:29:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Folder Deleted on Flash Disk of Braillenote Apex
In-Reply-To: <7B414336-5627-43BB-9FE8-10BA3B2FBF87@gmail.com>
References: <7B414336-5627-43BB-9FE8-10BA3B2FBF87@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <08db01d269c4$0c2ce120$2486a360$@gmail.com>

Yes that happened to me. I don't remember how tech support helped me get it
back. 

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 2:35 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas
Subject: [nabs-l] Folder Deleted on Flash Disk of Braillenote Apex

Hi,
I understand that this is a bit of a long shot, but has anyone been able to
restore a folder on the Braillenote Apex flash disk? I reset the braillenote
and for some reason the "keyweb" folder is gone, which means I  no longer
have access to the Internet. I know that I can use my phone and my computer
to browse the web, which I will do, and I will call Humanware Monday. Just
wondering if anyone may have had this issue.
Vejas 
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From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Sun Jan  8 15:58:01 2017
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 10:58:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Folder Deleted on Flash Disk of Braillenote Apex
In-Reply-To: <08db01d269c4$0c2ce120$2486a360$@gmail.com>
References: <7B414336-5627-43BB-9FE8-10BA3B2FBF87@gmail.com>
	<08db01d269c4$0c2ce120$2486a360$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHqxUetgNakHGzYrd9iyJ4wVXZn=RsWDcb3zdT7OPshCLpG+qA@mail.gmail.com>

I have never had this happen.
If you can, let us know how calling HumanWare goes. The information
could be useful to others.

On 1/8/17, Nesma Aly via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Yes that happened to me. I don't remember how tech support helped me get it
> back.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
> Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
> Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 2:35 AM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas
> Subject: [nabs-l] Folder Deleted on Flash Disk of Braillenote Apex
>
> Hi,
> I understand that this is a bit of a long shot, but has anyone been able to
> restore a folder on the Braillenote Apex flash disk? I reset the
> braillenote
> and for some reason the "keyweb" folder is gone, which means I  no longer
> have access to the Internet. I know that I can use my phone and my computer
> to browse the web, which I will do, and I will call Humanware Monday. Just
> wondering if anyone may have had this issue.
> Vejas
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From louvins at gmail.com  Sun Jan  8 16:13:35 2017
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 10:13:35 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Folder Deleted on Flash Disk of Braillenote Apex
In-Reply-To: <CAHqxUetgNakHGzYrd9iyJ4wVXZn=RsWDcb3zdT7OPshCLpG+qA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7B414336-5627-43BB-9FE8-10BA3B2FBF87@gmail.com>
	<08db01d269c4$0c2ce120$2486a360$@gmail.com>
	<CAHqxUetgNakHGzYrd9iyJ4wVXZn=RsWDcb3zdT7OPshCLpG+qA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADUoy9tsTo-mAsH16wgR+w93aJHpy9Aw9cZN8JBVGKhJbgrsXA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm also interested in hearing what tech-support says.  I haven't
heard of someone losing an important folder like keyweb just by
resetting your apex.

On 1/8/17, Christina Moore via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I have never had this happen.
> If you can, let us know how calling HumanWare goes. The information
> could be useful to others.
>
> On 1/8/17, Nesma Aly via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Yes that happened to me. I don't remember how tech support helped me get
>> it
>> back.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
>> Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
>> Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 2:35 AM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Folder Deleted on Flash Disk of Braillenote Apex
>>
>> Hi,
>> I understand that this is a bit of a long shot, but has anyone been able
>> to
>> restore a folder on the Braillenote Apex flash disk? I reset the
>> braillenote
>> and for some reason the "keyweb" folder is gone, which means I  no longer
>> have access to the Internet. I know that I can use my phone and my
>> computer
>> to browse the web, which I will do, and I will call Humanware Monday.
>> Just
>> wondering if anyone may have had this issue.
>> Vejas
>> _______________________________________________
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Sun Jan  8 16:50:10 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 08:50:10 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Folder Deleted on Flash Disk of Braillenote Apex
In-Reply-To: <08d901d269c3$cb0d9590$6128c0b0$@gmail.com>
References: <7B414336-5627-43BB-9FE8-10BA3B2FBF87@gmail.com>
	<CADUoy9vxZWr4pra8cYmkE3=uCmjoy9wwF06V3qp5P_GiiWpWSA@mail.gmail.com>
	<08d901d269c3$cb0d9590$6128c0b0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E05156E1-BE38-4488-8066-B80B0BA3E3BB@gmail.com>

Hi Nesma,
I'm glad you got it to work for you. Do you remember if it was an easy fix, or if it was a complicated process?
And I will definitely let you all know how it goes so that we can all help ourselves  in the future.  

> On Jan 8, 2017, at 07:27, Nesma Aly via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> Yes I had this issue once I don't remember what they told me to do to get it
> back. 
> Nesma
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua
> Hendrickson via NABS-L
> Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 4:34 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Joshua Hendrickson
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Folder Deleted on Flash Disk of Braillenote Apex
> 
> That is strange.  I didn't think the apex would delete a folder if it was
> reset.
> 
>> On 1/8/17, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I understand that this is a bit of a long shot, but has anyone been 
>> able to restore a folder on the Braillenote Apex flash disk? I reset 
>> the braillenote and for some reason the "keyweb" folder is gone, which 
>> means I  no longer have access to the Internet. I know that I can use 
>> my phone and my computer to browse the web, which I will do, and I 
>> will call Humanware Monday. Just wondering if anyone may have had this
> issue.
>> Vejas
>> _______________________________________________
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From ahbeeorton at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  8 20:42:18 2017
From: ahbeeorton at yahoo.com (Ahbee Orton)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 14:42:18 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] making Wii accessible for blind people
Message-ID: <2F9401DE-976E-4E4E-8C49-A63757C31C73@yahoo.com>

Hi Everyone, 

Is there a way to make the Wii accessible to blind people? My dad set up a Wii the other day, and my sisters are able to play on it. I'd like to play some, but I don't know how to make it accessible so that I can play as well. Any suggestions? Thank you! 

Sincerely, 
Ahbee 


Sent from Ahbee's iPhone


From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  8 21:12:43 2017
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2017 16:12:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Folder Deleted on Flash Disk of Braillenote Apex
Message-ID: <5872ab62.d52b810a.103a0.4646@mx.google.com>

What kind of reset was it?  Have you tried resetting it again?  A 
4-5-6 reset might bring it back, or failing that, a 1-2-3 reset.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 23:34:39 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Folder Deleted on Flash Disk of Braillenote 
Apex

Hi,
I understand that this is a bit of a long shot, but has anyone 
been able to restore a folder on the Braillenote Apex flash disk? 
I reset the braillenote and for some reason the "keyweb" folder 
is gone, which means I  no longer have access to the Internet. I 
know that I can use my phone and my computer to browse the web, 
which I will do, and I will call Humanware Monday. Just wondering 
if anyone may have had this issue.
Vejas
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Mon Jan  9 01:00:18 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 17:00:18 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Solution to Apex Problem with Keyweb
Message-ID: <4734D583-9087-497F-82F6-00B13A1DD1B4@gmail.com>

Hi All,
I was able to get my problem with Keyweb fixed and thought I'd let you all know how.
First of all, there never was a keyweb folder apparently, the Internet is all on Keylist. But the Internet file history and the ability to connect to configurations were gone. I did a flash disk format. Go to the options menu, press space with i, press backspace with the er sign and then y, and there will be a very long reset. This restores to factory settings so there are no contacts or email accounts set up, but sometimes it must be done. 
Hope this helps someone else with Apex issues,
Vejas 

From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Mon Jan  9 01:41:08 2017
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 19:41:08 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: The Student Division and the Science &
 Engineering Division presents a conference call all about science on Monday,
 January 9 at 9pm eastern!
References: <003701d26120$5f0497f0$1d0dc7d0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <350F052C-DB80-4039-93BE-2699BDF1097B@gmail.com>

Fellow Students:

This is a reminder that our Science and Engineering Division will hold a conference call in partnership with NABS tomorrow at 9:00 PM Eastern all about how blind students can succeeded in STEM-related fields. Please see the below note NABS President Kathryn Webster for all the details. We hope all who are interested will come out and learn how to be a successful blind scientist!

Chris Nusbaum

All:
>  
> The Science and Engineering Division and The National Association of Blind Students of the National Federation of the Blind announce a Joint Science Oriented Phone Conference
>  
> On January 9, 2017, at 9 PM Eastern Standard Time (EST,) The Science and Engineering Division and The National Association of Blind Students will have a science-oriented phone conference. The conference will use the NABS conference line with the contact information as follows:
>  
> Call: 605-475-6700,
> Access code: 7869673
>  
> The speakers and topics are as follows:
>  
> ·         John Miller will speak on how to do physics and engineering;
> ·         Kennedy Stomberg will speak on how to do biology labs;
> ·         Ashley Neybert will talk about how to do chemistry labs; And;
> ·         Kristen Johnson will describe how to do dissections.
>  
> For more information, please contact either:
>  
> National Association of Blind Students President Kathryn Webster
> Phone: 203-273-8463
> Email: nabs.president at gmail.com
>  
> Science and Engineering President John Miller
> Phone: 858-527-1727
> Email: johnmillerphd at hotmail.com
>  
> Talk to y’all soon!
> Kathryn Webster
> President | National Association of Blind Students
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From ka.yat.li at gmail.com  Mon Jan  9 03:47:30 2017
From: ka.yat.li at gmail.com (Ka Li)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 22:47:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] making Wii accessible for blind people
In-Reply-To: <2F9401DE-976E-4E4E-8C49-A63757C31C73@yahoo.com>
References: <2F9401DE-976E-4E4E-8C49-A63757C31C73@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <eff30bce-c44f-6a39-aa78-a1c2b113b471@gmail.com>

Hi:

I know that some of my friends have connected their game console to  
their video card and use a program to get screenshots of text. Then, 
they would use an OCR program/plugin such as Cloud OCR for NVDA to read 
the text from the screenshots. One of my friends, Liam Ervin, is an avid 
gamer and plays many games on consoles. You might want to tweet him 
@liamervin to get more info on setup.

Hope this helps.



On 1/8/2017 3:42 PM, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> Is there a way to make the Wii accessible to blind people? My dad set up a Wii the other day, and my sisters are able to play on it. I'd like to play some, but I don't know how to make it accessible so that I can play as well. Any suggestions? Thank you!
>
> Sincerely,
> Ahbee
>
>
> Sent from Ahbee's iPhone
>
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  9 13:19:47 2017
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2017 08:19:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] College degrees/programs and textbooks for
 visuallyimpaired in eletronic braille
Message-ID: <58738e0d.0374810a.e4b60.8d12@mx.google.com>

Hi Jessica thanks for your message.  I pursued a Bachelor's 
degree in Interdisciplinary Studies from the University of 
Central Florida.  This program allows you to choose your own 
course of study in three areas of concentration.  My two main 
areas of concentration were Arts and Humanities and Behavioral 
and Social Sciences, and my minor was in Mass Communications.  
The Student Accessibility Services office assisted me each 
semester with obtaining electronic textbooks from the publisher.


From syedrizvinfb at gmail.com  Mon Jan  9 15:18:47 2017
From: syedrizvinfb at gmail.com (Syed Rizvi)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 10:18:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] STEM student or graduate needed
Message-ID: <59215958-65FD-4F85-9857-F262192A5453@gmail.com>

Happy new years y'all! 
I am looking for someone who is studying STEM or who has graduated in the field of STEM and will be attending washington seminar, to help in a panel. Please reach out to me right away. 
Thank you so much! 
Syed Rizvi 

From sgermano at asu.edu  Mon Jan  9 17:19:03 2017
From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 11:19:03 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] College degrees/programs and textbooks for
 visuallyimpaired in eletronic braille
In-Reply-To: <CAOrr3bOhSBrkkhM=Ys8P0THk5KE3vU07Lqx-u=LrNe1t7hUSFw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAOrr3bOhSBrkkhM=Ys8P0THk5KE3vU07Lqx-u=LrNe1t7hUSFw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAF=_avfQdv7QFrEc1kkpQvJvDO2QMbPhTdrBfkHiYdHZM0fccQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

First you need to think about what you would like to do for a career. What
did you enjoy in high school? math? science? english? Do you want to be in
a business field? a science field? etc Spend some time thinking about that.
You don't want to end up with a degree that does not provide you with a
career path.

You might want to meet with a career counselor to discuss your likes an
dislikes and what field you would want for a career

I loved math and critical thinking so I majored in computer science.

Many universities will help you with book. My university would scan them in
if they were not already available electronically, they also provided large
print and Braille.

Do you have a voc rehabilitation counselor? They will pay for school and
provide accomodations. I was able to get a laptop, zommtext for windows,
zoomtext for mac, pearl camera, openbook and a printer that help larger
paper for printing in large print

Good luck
Suzanne

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Vanna Song via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hi Jessica,
>
> Nice to hear you want to pursue higher education. Books, you can get
> from Learning Ally and BookShare. You can also get books from BARD. If
> you use a smart phone or tablet, you can pair your device with a
> Braille display and read books from BARD, Book Share, and iBooks. Your
> college or university should also be able to provide you with
> accessible versions of books. We can't recommend any degrees or career
> choices for you. You will have to find that out for yourself. However,
> perhaps we could guide you in a certain direction if you tell us a bit
> about yourself. What is your status? Are you high school educated, or
> do you have a GED? Answers to questions like this and other can help
> us help you decide where to start.
>
> On 1/6/17, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Hi Jessica,
> >
> > As others have said, Bookshare is a great resource.  Your
> > school's Disabled Student Services should also be able to get you
> > publisher files or scan your books for you (some schools really
> > do not have scanning capability, but publishers are required to
> > provide a PDF of the book on request).  You may also be able to
> > use an e-book reading app like IBooks or Kindal on your phone and
> > pair your phone with a refreshable braille display or notetaker.
> > None of us will really be able to tell you anything about what
> > degree to get without knowing what your interests are.  Most
> > people change their major several times though, so don't feel
> > like you have to have your whole life planned out ahead of you to
> > start college.  One good thing to do is to start with a
> > generalized major like liberal arts and take courses from
> > different subjects to see what interests you.  If you're not
> > really sure what you want to do, it might also make sense for you
> > to get an Associate's degree from a community college (if there's
> > a good one near you) before transfering to a four year
> > school--this is much cheeper and arguably gets you a better
> > education since you'll be taking smaller classes with actual
> > professors instead of sitting in a huge lecture hall or having a
> > class with a grad student as you would for intro level classes at
> > most large universities.
> >
> > HTH,
> > Karl
> >
> >  ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > Date sent: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 15:53:04 -0500
> > Subject: [nabs-l] College degrees/programs and textbooks for
> > visuallyimpaired in eletronic braille
> >
> > Hi,
> > I'm thinking about going to college.
> > I'd like to know how I can obtain textbooks in electronic
> > braille, as well as what degrees/programs you recommend.
> > I've never been in college before.
> > Thanks,
> > Jessica
> > _______________________________________________
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From Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu  Mon Jan  9 20:08:00 2017
From: Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte (Student))
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 20:08:00 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] STEM student or graduate needed
In-Reply-To: <59215958-65FD-4F85-9857-F262192A5453@gmail.com>
References: <59215958-65FD-4F85-9857-F262192A5453@gmail.com>
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Here I am brother!

Bryan Duarte software engineer
ASU Computer Science Ph.D Student
National Association of Blind Students | Board Member
Arizona Association of Blind Students | President
QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/

“let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.”
-- St. Teresa of Avila

On Jan 9, 2017, at 8:18 AM, Syed Rizvi via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

Happy new years y'all!
I am looking for someone who is studying STEM or who has graduated in the field of STEM and will be attending washington seminar, to help in a panel. Please reach out to me right away.
Thank you so much!
Syed Rizvi
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From syedrizvinfb at gmail.com  Mon Jan  9 21:34:08 2017
From: syedrizvinfb at gmail.com (Syed Rizvi)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 16:34:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] STEM student or graduate needed
In-Reply-To: <ACF04536-31D4-4B40-820D-9368BD429D1A@mainex1.asu.edu>
References: <59215958-65FD-4F85-9857-F262192A5453@gmail.com>
	<ACF04536-31D4-4B40-820D-9368BD429D1A@mainex1.asu.edu>
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thanks man, but someone not on the board, you'll be running around 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 9, 2017, at 3:08 PM, Bryan Duarte (Student) via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> Here I am brother!
> 
> Bryan Duarte software engineer
> ASU Computer Science Ph.D Student
> National Association of Blind Students | Board Member
> Arizona Association of Blind Students | President
> QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/
> 
> “let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.”
> -- St. Teresa of Avila
> 
> On Jan 9, 2017, at 8:18 AM, Syed Rizvi via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
> 
> Happy new years y'all!
> I am looking for someone who is studying STEM or who has graduated in the field of STEM and will be attending washington seminar, to help in a panel. Please reach out to me right away.
> Thank you so much!
> Syed Rizvi
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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  9 23:09:33 2017
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2017 18:09:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Most apps, including navive ones crashing on bn touch
Message-ID: <58741835.07176b0a.557bb.0fd5@mx.google.com>

Hi,
I'm having a strange issue.
Over the passed few minutes, when I've opens several apps, stcluding native ones, they crash immediately upon launch.
Can [q~"]anyone tell me how to fix this?
Thanks,
Jessica

From Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu  Mon Jan  9 23:18:49 2017
From: Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte (Student))
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 23:18:49 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Winter Seminar Preregistration
Message-ID: <22506788-FD2B-4713-9712-551273E8282E@mainex1.asu.edu>

Greetings NABS,


Washington Seminar is approaching fast and NABS is ready to provide all of our student advocates with some information, training, and of course some fun. This year we will be holding our Winter Seminar on Monday January 30 at 10:00am. We would very much appreciate it if you would take a few minutes to preregister for the Winter Seminar so we can get started on time. Please follow the link below to preregister and we look forward to seeing you soon.



http://nabslink.org/content/preregister-2017-nabs-winter-seminar

Bryan Duarte software engineer
ASU Computer Science Ph.D Student
National Association of Blind Students | Board Member
Arizona Association of Blind Students | President
QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/

“let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.”
-- St. Teresa of Avila


From ka.yat.li at gmail.com  Tue Jan 10 16:38:08 2017
From: ka.yat.li at gmail.com (Ka Li)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 11:38:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Learn Smart Accessibility
Message-ID: <c2fd84df-d7dd-1a5e-7aa6-843f820d8446@gmail.com>

Hi:
Has anyone used Learn Smart from McGraw-Hill? If so, how is the 
accessibility with a screen reader?
Thanks.

Ka Li



From filerime at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 05:21:40 2017
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 00:21:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Ohio Student Division is Back
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Hi all,
We are happy to be back. Please join us,and share this message with
the students in Ohio.

The Ohio Association of Blind Students (OABS) is here to support blind
and visually impaired students in Ohio in terms of education,
technology, advocacy, college life, independent living, internships,
scholarship opportunities and any other student related matters.

We are proud to be a part of the oldest and largest blindness
organization in the United States. We believe that we will be even
stronger with your help. Please join us and stay connected.

You can join our listserve by clicking
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Like us on facebook<https://www.facebook.com/NFB-Ohio-Association-of-Blind-Students-146614348703543/>
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The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
expectations of blind people, because low expectations create
obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life
you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
On behalf of OABS Board, President, Elif Emir Oksuz


From carlymih at comcast.net  Wed Jan 11 09:01:41 2017
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 01:01:41 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] questions about fitting in.
In-Reply-To: <7D21BDB8-2B55-45C1-8874-4B97B15E4296@gmail.com>
References: <7D21BDB8-2B55-45C1-8874-4B97B15E4296@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.310.1772982283.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Evening, Ana,

You must be experiencing the familiar isolation us wearers of deviant 
identities (not normal) have to sport as part of being deviant. 
Please don't get inflamed by the word deviant for, all it means is 
simply that we are not normal, aren't part of Them And, if you huddle 
together with others whose shade of deviance differs from your's, are 
socially rejected for other reasons having to do with eyesight (or 
lack there of), upon penetrating new social  circles you might 
appreciate an absolutely necessary get-to -know-you period in which 
Ol'Sighty, as many of us totals conceptualize the majority  can 
observe you enough to feel relaxed and not stand-offish. Remember, 
you might wanna show that, in fact, you are just like Ol'Sighty 
except you don't take in your environmental cues the same way they 
do, via an ocular input, but it is not for a lack of seeing! You may 
have yet to identify how it is that you uncover a little slice of 
personal meaning in the world, that you can, and do" see," just 
differently. Keep us posted on your evolving journey,of self discovery..
Car



From carlymih at comcast.net  Wed Jan 11 09:03:59 2017
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 01:03:59 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] K1000 What the heck just happened?
In-Reply-To: <2C090477-7C8B-4A3C-8482-67C6DBF1350F@gmail.com>
References: <B5AF3922-619B-44BE-AA54-CD652E6D7EAD@gmail.com>
	<028c01d23df5$2a2c8bd0$7e85a370$@gmail.com>
	<2C090477-7C8B-4A3C-8482-67C6DBF1350F@gmail.com>
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Good morning, Amy,,

What if a system restore restores the machine back to how it was 
before you made any changes?,

>I don't think it was that big of a deal. System restore seems like 
>one of the last things I would want to do.
>
>Aimee
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 13, 2016, at 4:30 PM, Justin Williams via NABS-L 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Maybe a system restore; I'm not sure if that works, but I'd try it.
> > Justin
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee Harwood
> > via NABS-L
> > Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 12:37 PM
> > To: Nabs-List <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Aimee Harwood <awildheir at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [nabs-l] K1000 What the heck just happened?
> >
> > Hello guys,
> >
> > I hope it is a beautiful day where you are.   It is quite nice here where I
> > am.  So... I have experienced something rather strange while working in
> > K1000 today.  I don't know exactly what key's I hit but for some reason, my
> > file reverted back to the last saved state.  It is a document I created in
> > K1000 and saved as a Word 97 doc.  Am I out of luck or is there something I
> > can do to recover my work? I have tried undo and the normal windows command
> > for redo but nothing has worked.  I have not -see K1000 extensively since
> > 2003.  Quite a lot has changed.  Does anyone have any ideas what ,happened
> > and how I can fix it?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Aimee
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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From jessandellie101611 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 11:37:25 2017
From: jessandellie101611 at gmail.com (Jess Trask)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 06:37:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Greyhound
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR13MB11615CB9A836112A803775A0BF610@DM5PR13MB1161.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM5PR13MB11615CB9A836112A803775A0BF610@DM5PR13MB1161.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CA+gC3JHpDEK6GjD_B3c5C1Pkn_XYcQVZUPfnZ7R7qwkMO64Ckg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ian,
If u are in a city where Greyhound has a full service greyhound station u
would be better off purchased your ticket from the station instead of doing
online because you have print out your ticket which isn't easy to do. I
experienced this personally when I purchased a ticket to see family this
past Thanksgiving.

On Jan 4, 2017 10:46 AM, "Ian Perrault via NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hi All,
> Does anyone know what the NFB is doing about the inaccessibility of
> Greyhound's web site and the IPhone app? I was just trying to find the box
> where I can enter my credit card, and it's impossible to locate with JAWS!
> I've contacted them, and the IPhone app is also completely inaccessible.
> Hopefully the NFB can really get on them.
> Ian
>
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From spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 11 13:30:16 2017
From: spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net (Jen)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 08:30:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] questions about fitting in.
In-Reply-To: <201701110902.v0B92uZ5021964@alph165.prodigy.net>
References: <7D21BDB8-2B55-45C1-8874-4B97B15E4296@gmail.com>
	<201701110902.v0B92uZ5021964@alph165.prodigy.net>
Message-ID: <000001d26c0e$d9bbc830$8d335890$@sbcglobal.net>

Hi Ana,

I completely disagree with Carly. You are not deviant, you are different; we
are all in some way. And your differences are to be celebrated, and you need
to surround yourself by people who can learn from them.

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis
via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 4:02 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>;
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>; Ana Martinez
<martinezana770 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] questions about fitting in.

Evening, Ana,

You must be experiencing the familiar isolation us wearers of deviant 
identities (not normal) have to sport as part of being deviant. 
Please don't get inflamed by the word deviant for, all it means is 
simply that we are not normal, aren't part of Them And, if you huddle 
together with others whose shade of deviance differs from your's, are 
socially rejected for other reasons having to do with eyesight (or 
lack there of), upon penetrating new social  circles you might 
appreciate an absolutely necessary get-to -know-you period in which 
Ol'Sighty, as many of us totals conceptualize the majority  can 
observe you enough to feel relaxed and not stand-offish. Remember, 
you might wanna show that, in fact, you are just like Ol'Sighty 
except you don't take in your environmental cues the same way they 
do, via an ocular input, but it is not for a lack of seeing! You may 
have yet to identify how it is that you uncover a little slice of 
personal meaning in the world, that you can, and do" see," just 
differently. Keep us posted on your evolving journey,of self discovery..
Car


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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Wed Jan 11 14:56:17 2017
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. Labarre)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 07:56:17 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Career Fair at CCB, Spread the Word
Message-ID: <00f301d26c1a$de20d990$9a628cb0$@labarrelaw.com>


 


Making Connections That Work for You: 


A Seminar for People who are Blind or Visually Impaired


 


Career and College Day


 

Date:  Friday, March 10th

Time:  10:00 am to 3:00 pm

Location:  Colorado Center for the Blind, 2233 W. Shepperd Avenue,
Littleton, CO 80120

 

The Colorado Center for the Blind invites you to make connections that will
work for you in planning and achieving career and training goals.  The day
will offer breakout sessions on various topics, a keynote speaker and an
exhibit hall where you will find any number of useful resources.  Best of
all you will be able to meet successful blind people in a variety of fields.
Lunch will be provided.

 

Who should attend?

*         People interested in exploring what type of career to pursue

*         Job seekers

*         Those planning to attend college or going to graduate school

*         Anyone who wants to be inspired

 


What will you gain?


*         Learn about the services that are offered through the Colorado
Division of Vocational Rehabilitation's Blind and Low Vision Services (BLVS)


*         Meet representatives of local employers, both small and large

*         Learn about employment opportunities with the federal government

*         Practice your interviewing skills

*         Pick up tips and tricks for dressing for success 

*         Develop skills to make networking fun

*         Play with the latest in assistive technology, and talk with
vendors about how AT can work for you in career and college 

*         Meet staff members from community colleges, colleges and
universities

*         Learn about resources like Bookshare, Learning Ally and more

*         Get tips and resources to help you plan to be successful in
college

 

Please RSVP by March 3rd to Monique Melton, Employment Specialist, at
<mailto:mmelton at cocenter.org> mmelton at cocenter.org or call 303-778-1130,
x221.

 

 


From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 15:38:26 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 07:38:26 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for An Accessible Electronic Spanish Dictionary
Message-ID: <296195F5-13EB-400C-ACD0-0CB6A5836A65@gmail.com>

Hi All,
I am taking a Spanish course, and my teacher would like us to have a Spanish English dictionary but does not care which one we use.
I am considering buying either the Vox Super-Mini or the Collins Phrasebook, both of which are from IBooks. I also know that there are many apps designed specifically for this purpose. 
What did you all find most accessible?
Vejas 

From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 16:10:14 2017
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 10:10:14 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for An Accessible Electronic Spanish Dictionary
In-Reply-To: <296195F5-13EB-400C-ACD0-0CB6A5836A65@gmail.com>
References: <296195F5-13EB-400C-ACD0-0CB6A5836A65@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FDC47A40-2853-48CF-823C-D4016A3C5C2E@gmail.com>

Vejas,
I did a quick search on the app store and came up with an app called English to Spanish Translator, Spanish To English Translation and dictionary by Sato Shogo. It’s a free app with ads in it, but seems to work fairly well with a Braille display and VoiceOver. 
> On Jan 11, 2017, at 9:38 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> I am taking a Spanish course, and my teacher would like us to have a Spanish English dictionary but does not care which one we use.
> I am considering buying either the Vox Super-Mini or the Collins Phrasebook, both of which are from IBooks. I also know that there are many apps designed specifically for this purpose. 
> What did you all find most accessible?
> Vejas 
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From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 16:46:43 2017
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 10:46:43 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Greyhound
In-Reply-To: <CA+gC3JHpDEK6GjD_B3c5C1Pkn_XYcQVZUPfnZ7R7qwkMO64Ckg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DM5PR13MB11615CB9A836112A803775A0BF610@DM5PR13MB1161.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
	<CA+gC3JHpDEK6GjD_B3c5C1Pkn_XYcQVZUPfnZ7R7qwkMO64Ckg@mail.gmail.com>
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The only downside to buying at the station is that there might not be any seats left on the bus when you get there. I have noticed that the website has gotten a lot better. As one of the  authors of a resolution about this a couple years ago, I am keeping an eye on this. I will tell you that there is an app out there called BusBud, which allows you to accessibly purchase tickets. 
I hope this helps.
Aleeha Dudley 
> On Jan 11, 2017, at 5:37 AM, Jess Trask via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ian,
> If u are in a city where Greyhound has a full service greyhound station u
> would be better off purchased your ticket from the station instead of doing
> online because you have print out your ticket which isn't easy to do. I
> experienced this personally when I purchased a ticket to see family this
> past Thanksgiving.
> 
> On Jan 4, 2017 10:46 AM, "Ian Perrault via NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> Does anyone know what the NFB is doing about the inaccessibility of
>> Greyhound's web site and the IPhone app? I was just trying to find the box
>> where I can enter my credit card, and it's impossible to locate with JAWS!
>> I've contacted them, and the IPhone app is also completely inaccessible.
>> Hopefully the NFB can really get on them.
>> Ian
>> 
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From kskristen at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 17:47:26 2017
From: kskristen at gmail.com (Kristen Steele)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 11:47:26 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for An Accessible Electronic Spanish Dictionary
In-Reply-To: <FDC47A40-2853-48CF-823C-D4016A3C5C2E@gmail.com>
References: <296195F5-13EB-400C-ACD0-0CB6A5836A65@gmail.com>
	<FDC47A40-2853-48CF-823C-D4016A3C5C2E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD6Dm-3NxEx+Yy-D=-5aC8wTeAsw2pC-t3G06KH8P827YCoAQA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, Vejas--

When I took Spanish I and II, my instructor actually told all students
to use the website WordReference.com instead of buying a print
translation dictionary. I found that resource to be very accessible,
too, on my Apex.

In addition, my mom typed up the entire glossary from our textbook in
Word for me. I still have it, and it is perfection. If you would like
it, just give me your personal e-mail.

HTH, and good luck with class!
--
Kristen

On 1/11/17, Aleeha Dudley via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Vejas,
> I did a quick search on the app store and came up with an app called English
> to Spanish Translator, Spanish To English Translation and dictionary by Sato
> Shogo. It’s a free app with ads in it, but seems to work fairly well with a
> Braille display and VoiceOver.
>> On Jan 11, 2017, at 9:38 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>> I am taking a Spanish course, and my teacher would like us to have a
>> Spanish English dictionary but does not care which one we use.
>> I am considering buying either the Vox Super-Mini or the Collins
>> Phrasebook, both of which are from IBooks. I also know that there are many
>> apps designed specifically for this purpose.
>> What did you all find most accessible?
>> Vejas
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From sgermano at asu.edu  Wed Jan 11 18:45:23 2017
From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 12:45:23 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] software developer working with co-workers
Message-ID: <CAF=_aveVjA6f13hQpAx6Hv3Q31O8UrBv=331q7eT+XheETD2mg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

I am a software developer. I use ZoomText with dual 27 inch monitors.

I am finding that I am asked to go work with QA or another team. Go sit
with them.

How do you handle that? I can't see what they are doing. My vision is good
enough that I have a very difficult time no matter how many times I say I
can't see that to get anyone to tell me what they are doing. Not to mention
I am extremely light sensitive so just looking at other people's monitors
lead to eyestrain and headaches.

I have tried having them share their screen via skype but it comes through
so small and once you start to zoom even a little bit it is super pixelated
and unreadable.

Years ago I worked as a programmer and never had to leave my computer to
work so I did not have to worry about not having accommodations.

I am open to an ideas!

Thanks
Suzanne

From qtiffany1 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 18:54:35 2017
From: qtiffany1 at gmail.com (tiffany miles)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 13:54:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible apps that help with weight loss
Message-ID: <E73D6F06-BE97-42E0-A8A0-727233A61357@gmail.com>

Hi everyone do you know of any accessible apps that are good to help with weight loss that that will describe what each exercise is that are free? I have been looking and have not came across anything I hope someone can help thank you Tiffany

Sent from my iPhone

From jameyanne at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 20:42:43 2017
From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 15:42:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible apps that help with weight loss
In-Reply-To: <E73D6F06-BE97-42E0-A8A0-727233A61357@gmail.com>
References: <E73D6F06-BE97-42E0-A8A0-727233A61357@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004401d26c4b$430f2a20$c92d7e60$@gmail.com>

Carrot Fit talks, is accessible with voiceover, and is hilarious. It does a
pretty good job describing the exercises. It's $3 though, I think. There's
also Carrot Callory Counter, which I haven't tried, but the company is
committed to accessibility, and it's free. My Fitness Pal also works well
for tracking what you eat and exercise, but it doesn't have exercises you
can do.
HTH,
Jameyanne

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Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible apps that help with weight loss

Hi everyone do you know of any accessible apps that are good to help with
weight loss that that will describe what each exercise is that are free? I
have been looking and have not came across anything I hope someone can help
thank you Tiffany

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From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Thu Jan 12 01:54:22 2017
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 19:54:22 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of e-textbooks from Cheg
Message-ID: <5876e1f6.cafdca0a.caca.5dd0@mx.google.com>

Dear NABS,

I hope everyone's semester is getting off to a great start. All 
of my classes are very interesting, but as so often happens, I've 
had to get creative when acquiring a few of my textbooks. I found 
a digital copy of one of my books on a website called 
www.cheg.com and have rented it for the semester. When I look at 
the textbook using both VoiceOver on my iPhone and JAWS, I don't 
see how to view the actual text of the book. I just see the book 
menu and the cover. I was wondering if anyone has used 
e-textbooks from this site before and can give me any tips. Any 
help would be majorly appreciated.

Yours,
Sophie Trist


From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Thu Jan 12 01:58:51 2017
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 20:58:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of e-textbooks from Cheg
In-Reply-To: <5876e1f6.cafdca0a.caca.5dd0@mx.google.com>
References: <5876e1f6.cafdca0a.caca.5dd0@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAHqxUev4t5gNsR2P2Xr_8PijJQq4FcB8iC_97T1U+E4EQkmv0Q@mail.gmail.com>

I have heard of Chegg but never used it.
Does the Chegg website have an Accessibility page? If so, you could
email them and ask if they have an accessible digital version of the
textbook or if one can be obtained.

On 1/11/17, Sophie Trist via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Dear NABS,
>
> I hope everyone's semester is getting off to a great start. All
> of my classes are very interesting, but as so often happens, I've
> had to get creative when acquiring a few of my textbooks. I found
> a digital copy of one of my books on a website called
> www.cheg.com and have rented it for the semester. When I look at
> the textbook using both VoiceOver on my iPhone and JAWS, I don't
> see how to view the actual text of the book. I just see the book
> menu and the cover. I was wondering if anyone has used
> e-textbooks from this site before and can give me any tips. Any
> help would be majorly appreciated.
>
> Yours,
> Sophie Trist
>
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 12 13:19:36 2017
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 13:19:36 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About Connect Math and Math Reader
Message-ID: <SN1PR12MB0159564F16CC6968CACE5ED8BA790@SN1PR12MB0159.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Hello All,

I currently do not have the time to go into too much detail regarding my situation. However, I have a few questions about being able to gain access to the course materials used for my math class.

First, does anyone know if there is any way to be able to gain access to the Connect Math online platform using either JAWS or NVDA? I have tried using JAWS on an older desktop computer I have at home, and the website was pretty much useless to me. However, I know my computer is a bit old, and so this may be part of my problem. I have not had the chance to try Connect Math on the few computers on campus that have JAWS installed on them to see if it works on the computers on campus. I have not had a chance to test the Connect Math website with NVDA, but this would be an option for me as well.

However, I have been told that the Connect Math online platform is not accessible using a screen reader. So I am not quite sure how effective it is for me to find a screen reader to use with this platform. The last time I took a math class, I used a reader for my class. Since this worked well for me before, I thought it would work well for me  again. However, when I used a reader in the past, the reader had a lot of experience working as a reader, and was fluent and  efficient in being able to read and write the math material for me.

However, that was quite some time ago, and things have changed a bit since then. The current reader I have been given for my math class by the disabilities office is a new reader. In addition, she has not taken the math class I am currently trying to take, and stated that she is not good at math when I was trying to work with her during my first class period the other day.

When I tried explaining to the disabilities office the importance of having a math reader who is knowledgeable and fluent in math, they made the assumption that I was expecting my reader to be able to explain things to me as a tutor. However, this is not what I am expecting from my reader. I simply want someone who can read and write the course material in a smooth efficient manner as my time working with this person is limited to a certain amount of time. However, the people in the disabilities office could not and did not appear to want to understand why this would be important to me.

My meeting with the disabilities office turned into a rather rude and hostile meeting where I was told that I had absolutely no say in whether or not the reader that was assigned to work with me was efficient and effective in providing me with equal access to the course material. It felt as though they were simply dictating what accommodations I could use and that would work best for me while personally attacking me and accusing me of making accusations that had absolutely nothing to do with my accommodations. It felt as though they were not interested in listening to me or help me find a solution that would work best for me.

So now that I have rambled, I am wondering if anyone knows how I could use a screen reader with the Connect Math online platform as well as help me find a way to explain to the disabilities office the importance of having a math reader who is knowledgeable and fluent in math. I am currently not on any of the math or science email lists. So if anyone on any of these lists would want to forward this email to those email lists, I would greatly appreciate it. It is only the beginning of the semester, but with all this stress of trying to figure out how to work with the disabilities office, it feels more like the last week of classes rather than the first week of classes.

Anyway, any positive support or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Elizabeth

From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Thu Jan 12 14:53:16 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 06:53:16 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About Connect Math and Math Reader
Message-ID: <58779881.84c4620a.60d69.9446@mx.google.com>

Hi Elizabeth,
I'm going to be starting my math course today.
I can't assist you with Math-Connect, as I have never had 
experience it.
As for your reader question: in my disability services office, 
although I have not yet had experience with my reader, they pick 
by department.  So for example if it ever came down to me needing 
a reader in Spanish, they would go to the Spanish d"partment, 
meaning that they would get someone who is familiar with the 
language.  If I for some reason will not work well with a 
particular reader, then I would try another one.  Have your 
disability services told you if their system works similarly?
Your Disability Services sounds unsupportive, and finding a 
reader off them may not be the best course of action.  You could 
also try asking around.  You could write up some flyers and put 
them all over the school, and then you could interview them.
As an aside, if you do decide to try to get a reader with DSS, be 
prepared for them to ask you on the spot before meeting the 
reader what time you will want to work with the reader (which I 
can appreciate that, given all other classes and activities, can 
be difficult to know initially)
Vejas


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 13:19:36 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About Connect Math and Math Reader

Hello All,

I currently do not have the time to go into too much detail 
regarding my situation.  However, I have a few questions about 
being able to gain access to the course materials used for my 
math class.

First, does anyone know if there is any way to be able to gain 
access to the Connect Math online platform using either JAWS or 
NVDA? I have tried using JAWS on an older desktop computer I have 
at home, and the website was pretty much useless to me.  However, 
I know my computer is a bit old, and so this may be part of my 
problem.  I have not had the chance to try Connect Math on the 
few computers on campus that have JAWS installed on them to see 
if it works on the computers on campus.  I have not had a chance 
to test the Connect Math website with NVDA, but this would be an 
option for me as well.

However, I have been told that the Connect Math online platform 
is not accessible using a screen reader.  So I am not quite sure 
how effective it is for me to find a screen reader to use with 
this platform.  The last time I took a math class, I used a 
reader for my class.  Since this worked well for me before, I 
thought it would work well for me  again.  However, when I used a 
reader in the past, the reader had a lot of experience working as 
a reader, and was fluent and  efficient in being able to read and 
write the math material for me.

However, that was quite some time ago, and things have changed a 
bit since then.  The current reader I have been given for my math 
class by the disabilities office is a new reader.  In addition, 
she has not taken the math class I am currently trying to take, 
and stated that she is not good at math when I was trying to work 
with her during my first class period the other day.

When I tried explaining to the disabilities office the importance 
of having a math reader who is knowledgeable and fluent in math, 
they made the assumption that I was expecting my reader to be 
able to explain things to me as a tutor.  However, this is not 
what I am expecting from my reader.  I simply want someone who 
can read and write the course material in a smooth efficient 
manner as my time working with this person is limited to a 
certain amount of time.  However, the people in the disabilities 
office could not and did not appear to want to understand why 
this would be important to me.

My meeting with the disabilities office turned into a rather rude 
and hostile meeting where I was told that I had absolutely no say 
in whether or not the reader that was assigned to work with me 
was efficient and effective in providing me with equal access to 
the course material.  It felt as though they were simply 
dictating what accommodations I could use and that would work 
best for me while personally attacking me and accusing me of 
making accusations that had absolutely nothing to do with my 
accommodations.  It felt as though they were not interested in 
listening to me or help me find a solution that would work best 
for me.

So now that I have rambled, I am wondering if anyone knows how I 
could use a screen reader with the Connect Math online platform 
as well as help me find a way to explain to the disabilities 
office the importance of having a math reader who is 
knowledgeable and fluent in math.  I am currently not on any of 
the math or science email lists.  So if anyone on any of these 
lists would want to forward this email to those email lists, I 
would greatly appreciate it.  It is only the beginning of the 
semester, but with all this stress of trying to figure out how to 
work with the disabilities office, it feels more like the last 
week of classes rather than the first week of classes.

Anyway, any positive support or suggestions would be greatly 
appreciated.

Thanks,
Elizabeth
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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 12 20:30:26 2017
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 15:30:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Importing opml file into "podcast republic"
Message-ID: <5877e76c.1454240a.b1460.8ec8@mx.google.com>

Hi,
I'm trying to import my podcast subscriptions from downcast into podcast republic.
I've linked my dropbox, but can't open the file.
It's asking for a url and wants me to authorize it.
Thanks,
Jessica

From codeofdusk at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 00:40:14 2017
From: codeofdusk at gmail.com (Bill Dengler (Outlook on Windows 10))
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 00:40:14 -0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Quick Survey
Message-ID: <030401d26d35$9b537d40$d1fa77c0$@gmail.com>

Hello,

If you're blind or visually impaired, please take this quick survey on
reading media. It's part of an internal assessment for my math class. Thanks
in advance for your time!
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSenMpU1_la7wr3pq_OMIiFFiHhPTJTKYw22
P0TBs0ww4kfp2w/viewform

 

Bill


From codeofdusk at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 01:03:42 2017
From: codeofdusk at gmail.com (Bill Dengler (Outlook on Windows 10))
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 01:03:42 -0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for An Accessible Electronic Spanish Dictionary
Message-ID: <033e01d26d38$e266f4c0$a734de40$@gmail.com>

Personally, I like Wiktionary (http://en.wiktionary.org for definitions in
English, http://es.wiktionary.org for definitions in Spanish).

If you want to see a definition in English (Wiktionary has words in tons of
different languages), an easy shortcut is http://enwp.org/wikt:word

For example, to see the definition for the word “palabra”, you’d go to
http://enwp.org/wikt:palabra

If you’re going to study Spanish at a higher level (about a B2 on the CEFR
scale), El Diccionario de la lengua española (DLE) is accessible. Yes, it’s
in Spanish, but it’s from La RAE (the Spanish language academy). Some of the
definitions are wordy, but they’re basically Authoritative (and at the B2
level you should be able to understand at least the gist of what they say):
http://dle.rae.es

 

Bill


From codeofdusk at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 02:57:50 2017
From: codeofdusk at gmail.com (Bill Dengler (Outlook on Windows 10))
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 02:57:50 -0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Quick Survey
In-Reply-To: <030401d26d35$9b537d40$d1fa77c0$@gmail.com>
References: <030401d26d35$9b537d40$d1fa77c0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <038b01d26d48$d4296040$7c7c20c0$@gmail.com>

The link in my original email may have been broken. If it didn't work try
this one: https://goo.gl/forms/6KbTsqb2SafvUVru1

 

Bill

 

From: Bill Dengler (Outlook on Windows 10) [mailto:codeofdusk at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 12:40 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Quick Survey

 

Hello,

If you're blind or visually impaired, please take this quick survey on
reading media. It's part of an internal assessment for my math class. Thanks
in advance for your time!
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSenMpU1_la7wr3pq_OMIiFFiHhPTJTKYw22
P0TBs0ww4kfp2w/viewform

 

Bill


From piano.girl0299 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 12:24:54 2017
From: piano.girl0299 at gmail.com (Kelsey Nicolay)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 07:24:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] resource for Ios device users
Message-ID: <5878c72b.d90a6b0a.c268b.6cdc@mx.google.com>

Hello,
Below is a resource that I find very informative.  The website is 
www.ibugtoday.com They are based in Houston, but we have members 
from all over the United States who call in.  If anyone would 
like additional information or is interested in becoming a 
member, please feel free to write me offlist at 
piano.girl0299 at gmail.com and I would be happy to tell you more 
about the group and give you the conference call information.
Thank you,
Kelsey Nicolay


From hernandezlegorreta at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 13:43:38 2017
From: hernandezlegorreta at gmail.com (Conchita Hernandez Legorreta)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 08:43:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Reading Music
Message-ID: <CAP4zXN3z0MuFc3H+e8dAdCzmpd6tQa4ps6nG99EB-ytOZaZ1vA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
I am hoping to get some suggestions from those of you that read music notes
as to what programs you use. I know of one, but am looking if there is
anything else out there. It is for a student of mine and would have to be
compatible with JAWS. The ability to read and write music with this program
would be ideal. Thank you!

Conchita Hernandez Legorreta M.A.T.
Teacher of Blind Students in Washington DC
Doctorate Student at George Washington University

From nabs.president at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 17:10:11 2017
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster, NABS President)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 12:10:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Deadline on Sunday: BMRC Summer Short-Term Fellowship
 Program 2017
Message-ID: <02c301d26dbf$e68b84d0$b3a28e70$@gmail.com>

All,

 

2017 BMRC Summer Short-Term Fellowship Program is available for the International students who are engaged as; scholars, artists, writers, and public historians from the United States and Europe to better formulate new historical narratives of Chicago’s past.

 

Fellowship: BMRC Summer Short-Term Fellowship Program

 

Eligibility: International students             

 

Application Deadline: January 15, 2017

 

Award: $4000 for 12-15 fellows each year

 

Application Link: BMRC Summer Short-Term Fellowship Program <http://bit.ly/2jesnw6> 

 

Good luck,

Kathryn Webster

President | National Association of Blind Students

National Federation of the Blind


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 18:18:02 2017
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:18:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l]  Reading Music
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Hello,

I have been majoring in music and will be finishing my degree this
semester. Goodfeel by Dancing Dots, www.dancingdots.com, has been
instrumental in allowing me to complete my work and compose for fun. It is
Jaws compatible and comes with scripts, which allow for notes to be played
and spoken along with information about rhythm, key and time signatures,
and other symbols and markings as you move through your score. If cost is
prohibitive there are light versions, though I've found the full version to
be necessary for serious music study in a high school music theory course
as well as in college. The ability to produce Braille music using the
program is also a huge plus.

Feel free to email me off list with questions as well.

On Friday, January 13, 2017, Conchita Hernandez Legorreta via NABS-L <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nabs-l at nfbnet.org');>>
wrote:

> Hi all,
> I am hoping to get some suggestions from those of you that read music notes
> as to what programs you use. I know of one, but am looking if there is
> anything else out there. It is for a student of mine and would have to be
> compatible with JAWS. The ability to read and write music with this program
> would be ideal. Thank you!
>
> Conchita Hernandez Legorreta M.A.T.
> Teacher of Blind Students in Washington DC
> Doctorate Student at George Washington University
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-- 
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From ahbeeorton at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 13 18:25:56 2017
From: ahbeeorton at yahoo.com (Ahbee Orton)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 12:25:56 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Reading Music
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Hello, 

I use GoodFeel from Dancing Dots as well. I use it in high school, but I don't create the music. My band director types it into the program and then sends it to the embosser. It seems to work well, and it produces great music! There are still some things that my band director is learning how to do on this program, but it has worked fairly well for me. I hope this helps! 

Ahbee  

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 13, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have been majoring in music and will be finishing my degree this
> semester. Goodfeel by Dancing Dots, www.dancingdots.com, has been
> instrumental in allowing me to complete my work and compose for fun. It is
> Jaws compatible and comes with scripts, which allow for notes to be played
> and spoken along with information about rhythm, key and time signatures,
> and other symbols and markings as you move through your score. If cost is
> prohibitive there are light versions, though I've found the full version to
> be necessary for serious music study in a high school music theory course
> as well as in college. The ability to produce Braille music using the
> program is also a huge plus.
> 
> Feel free to email me off list with questions as well.
> 
> On Friday, January 13, 2017, Conchita Hernandez Legorreta via NABS-L <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nabs-l at nfbnet.org');>>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> I am hoping to get some suggestions from those of you that read music notes
>> as to what programs you use. I know of one, but am looking if there is
>> anything else out there. It is for a student of mine and would have to be
>> compatible with JAWS. The ability to read and write music with this program
>> would be ideal. Thank you!
>> 
>> Conchita Hernandez Legorreta M.A.T.
>> Teacher of Blind Students in Washington DC
>> Doctorate Student at George Washington University
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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>> NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4cl
>> arinet104%40gmail.com
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Kaiti Shelton
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From GCazares at nfb.org  Fri Jan 13 19:26:50 2017
From: GCazares at nfb.org (Cazares, Gabe)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 19:26:50 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Spread the Word: Rally for Equal Access in Higher
 Education
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Howdy Friends,

President Riccobono just sent the below message to all state affiliate presidents regarding the NFB student rally we will be holding during Washington Seminar. I hope all available students are planning to attend!

We need your energy, your passion, and your voice on this issue, and all of the Federation's priorities for 2017! Please circulate this announcement widely, even with those students who might not otherwise be participating in our Washington Seminar, but who are in and around the DC metro area. See you in Washington D.C. very soon!
Best,

...Gabe

Gabe Cazares
Government Affairs Specialist
200 East Wells Street, Baltimore, MD 21230
(410) 659-9314, extension 2206 | gcazares at nfb.org
Twitter: @gmcazares

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From: President, National Federation of the Blind
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 2:17 PM
To: State Affiliate Leadership (state-affiliate-leadership-list at nfbnet.org)
Cc: Cazares, Gabe
Subject: Spread the Word: Rally for Equal Access in Higher Education

Fellow Federationists,

What do we want? Equal access! When do we want it? Now! The time has come to have high expectations for blind students in post-secondary educational settings-we seek to aim high. For too long we have pushed and pulled and fought with inaccessible technology, but we are no longer willing to tolerate this inequality, so we say "don't deny."

The United States Capitol Police have just confirmed our demonstration permit for Tuesday, January 31, 2017, so if you have not already done so, please make plans to attend our NFB student rally for equal access. I know some of you will be unavailable due to scheduling conflicts, but I hope that if you are planning to participate in our 2017 Washington Seminar, and will not be in an appointment during this time, that you will join us to demand equal access for blind students in classrooms nationwide. If you know of blind students or interested supporters who will not be participating in Washington Seminar, please encourage them to join us to aim high for blind students on January 31.

We'll gather at the Upper Senate Park, located on the west side of the Russell Senate Office Building along Constitution Avenue, between Delaware and New Jersey Avenue, and our rally will begin promptly at 12:00 p.m. No one moves a policy agenda like the National Federation of the Blind, and I am confident that with our love, hope, and determination, we will encourage members of Congress to promptly move our AIM HE legislation along with all of our other legislative priorities for 2017. It's time for Congress to #DontDenyAimHigh!

Spread the word: Let's have the largest gathering of blind students ever on the capitol grounds. Let's demonstrate to all the importance of this issue. If you have questions about the rally, please contact Gabe Cazares at gcazares at nfb.org<mailto:gcazares at nfb.org> or 410-659-9314, extension 2206.

Mark A. Riccobono
President
200 East Wells Street, Baltimore, MD 21230
(410) 659-9314 | officeofthepresident at nfb.org<mailto:officeofthepresident at nfb.org>


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From grassflower111 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 14 18:48:24 2017
From: grassflower111 at gmail.com (Trinh Ha)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 10:48:24 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for An Accessible Electronic Spanish Dictionary
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Hi Kristen,
My name's Trinh. I'm taking Spanish this year, and if you don't mind,
would you please send me the list of vocabulary in Spanish you have.
My e-mail is trinhhashs at gmail.com
Thank you so very much.

On 1/11/17, Kristen Steele via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi, Vejas--
>
> When I took Spanish I and II, my instructor actually told all students
> to use the website WordReference.com instead of buying a print
> translation dictionary. I found that resource to be very accessible,
> too, on my Apex.
>
> In addition, my mom typed up the entire glossary from our textbook in
> Word for me. I still have it, and it is perfection. If you would like
> it, just give me your personal e-mail.
>
> HTH, and good luck with class!
> --
> Kristen
>
> On 1/11/17, Aleeha Dudley via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Vejas,
>> I did a quick search on the app store and came up with an app called
>> English
>> to Spanish Translator, Spanish To English Translation and dictionary by
>> Sato
>> Shogo. It’s a free app with ads in it, but seems to work fairly well with
>> a
>> Braille display and VoiceOver.
>>> On Jan 11, 2017, at 9:38 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>> I am taking a Spanish course, and my teacher would like us to have a
>>> Spanish English dictionary but does not care which one we use.
>>> I am considering buying either the Vox Super-Mini or the Collins
>>> Phrasebook, both of which are from IBooks. I also know that there are
>>> many
>>> apps designed specifically for this purpose.
>>> What did you all find most accessible?
>>> Vejas
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From mausbun at unr.edu  Sat Jan 14 19:15:09 2017
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 19:15:09 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for companion for Washington Seminar
Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B2370ECCE@UBOX1.unr.edu>

Dear Federation Family,
	I have a personal request. One of our members of the Nevada Affiliate, of the National Federation of the Blind, is traveling alone for his first time, for his first trip to Washington D.C. for Washington Seminar. As he is a new member, and since he is nervous, I was wondering if anyone might be able to travel with him from the airport to the hotel. He arrives on January 29.  At 6:45 P.M. If you are interested or can help, let me know and I will put you in contact with him!
Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun, Vice President
National Federation of the Blind of Nevada


From martinezana770 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 14 19:33:52 2017
From: martinezana770 at gmail.com (Ana Martinez)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 13:33:52 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] volunteer job experiences?
Message-ID: <F75E4888-1EAF-4E9D-A921-F4010B092A4C@gmail.com>

hi everyone, I have a question. I'm 19 years old and I'll be a freshman in college next fall, I'm thinking on doing some volunteer jobs during the summer, is this a good idea? am I to young/or old for a volunteer job? thanks 

Sent from my iPhone

From spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan 14 19:49:49 2017
From: spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net (Jen)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 14:49:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] volunteer job experiences?
In-Reply-To: <F75E4888-1EAF-4E9D-A921-F4010B092A4C@gmail.com>
References: <F75E4888-1EAF-4E9D-A921-F4010B092A4C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001d26e9f$5e504520$1af0cf60$@sbcglobal.net>

Hi Ana,

I don't think you're too young for a volunteer job. I transcribed a nature
museum booklet over two summers, and it was very rewarding.

-----Original Message-----

From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ana Martinez
via NABS-L

Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 2:34 PM

To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org

Cc: Ana Martinez <martinezana770 at gmail.com>

Subject: [nabs-l] volunteer job experiences?

hi everyone,

I have a question. I'm 19 years old, and I'll be a freshman in college next
fall. I'm thinking of doing some volunteer jobs during the summer; is this a
good idea? Am I too young or old for a volunteer job?

Thanks.

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From mausbun at unr.edu  Sat Jan 14 20:26:25 2017
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 20:26:25 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] volunteer job experiences?
In-Reply-To: <F75E4888-1EAF-4E9D-A921-F4010B092A4C@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B2370EE3E@UBOX1.unr.edu>

Hey Ana,
	Volunteering is one of the most valuable experiences one can have. I think that you are certainly old enough, and, have the maturity to succeed wonderfully. Of course, one thing to keep in mind is what interests you about volunteering. Experiences come in many shapes and sizes, and you do not want to do a task which you have no interest in completing.
HTH
Michael Ausbun, Secretary
National Association of Blind Students

________________________________________
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Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 11:33 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Ana Martinez
Subject: [nabs-l] volunteer job experiences?

hi everyone, I have a question. I'm 19 years old and I'll be a freshman in college next fall, I'm thinking on doing some volunteer jobs during the summer, is this a good idea? am I to young/or old for a volunteer job? thanks

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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 14 21:07:33 2017
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 16:07:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Exciting new networking workshops at Washington seminar
 this year!
Message-ID: <CALAYQJAWwDUJRfheuWTwRZN1EfdQ4HQZUXQhMowoOFp0c2abGA@mail.gmail.com>

“MANY COMMUNICATE- FEW CONNECT”



“Don’t miss this unique opportunity for professional development.
Whether you are a student, a young professional, or well along in your
career, you will benefit immensely from these two workshops.”

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attending a networking event or a reception, you’re not alone. Walking
into a room filled with dozens of people who you have never before met
can be overwhelming for new entrants to the workforce and established
professionals alike. This program will give you ten “rules” that will
help you make the most of any Washington D.C. business-social event,
including how to prepare for and navigate the events, and most
importantly, how to follow up and build relationships with your new
important contacts.



Communicating with Style - Some studies suggest that fully 85% of your
success is directly linked to your ability to effectively communicate.
Yet, few professionals receive any formal training in basic
communication skills. This highly interactive 90-minute program is an
introduction to communication styles. Because your communication style
is based, in part, on your behavioral style preference, we’ll use the
DISC assessment tool to help you identify your individual behavioral
style preference. Then, we’ll turn our attention to the people with
whom you work and give you some clues to help you identify their
behavioral style preferences, too. Highlighting points of commonality
and potential conflict, we’ll focus on adjustments that you can make
to enhance your communications with others.



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A graduate of George Washington University's National Law Center, Mary
Crane practiced law and lobbied in Washington D.C. for nearly ten
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tax issues. In the early 1990s she decided to pursue her life-long
fascinations in food and wine. With these interests in mind, she spent
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Crane further gained certification as a sommelier from the Court of
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quoted extensively in a variety of print and electronic media,
including The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, Forbes.com,
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This highly-anticipated seminar will take place on Sunday, January 29,
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From misokwak12 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 15 07:13:13 2017
From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 23:13:13 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Google Forms and Qualtrics
Message-ID: <CAMe9x_E79d6Aj1mECtSt7NQs4CvsTsvuhUBE+AiD_6V4rJ3a4Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
I am in the planning stage of my senior capstone research, which will
involve distributing questionnaires and collecting responses. I am
considering Google Forms and Qualtrics as potential platforms to
accomplish this task.
I would like to know how accessible it is to create and analyze the
resulting data on Google Forms.

Also if anyone on this list has experience with Qualtrics, please let
me know how accessible it is.

Would greatly appreciate your feedback on either platforms.

--Miso Kwak

-- 
Miso Kwak
University of California, Los Angeles | 2017
Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor


From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 15 13:25:28 2017
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 18:55:28 +0530
Subject: [nabs-l] Finding a Dating Partner
Message-ID: <CADFycPZ3g8u90Gcdn6jvN4Kg=f+pkCmWi5UbEnSHvjj6dfiZGQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everyone,

I hope this message finds you well.
I know this is something that gets discussed often, but I was unable
to locate a definitive source on this subject, so I figured I would
ask this question.

I would be extremely grateful if you guys could share the strategies
that you have adopted (both successful and unsuccessful) for finding a
dating partner.
I know that Tinder is not accessible and the other dating apps that
may be accessible aren't sufficiently 'mainstream' in India, which is
where I live, to attract anyone except busybodies.
I am averse to the idea of dating someone else with a disability, so
any apps that may exist for this purpose aren't very useful for me.
 So I would be curious to know if anyone has any ideas as regards the
steps that I can take to find someone.
Also, in light of the fact that blind people typically do not have as
active a social life as their sighted counterparts, I would be curious
to know how those of you who are committed were able to find your
partner.

I know that this is a subject that not many people would be
comfortable talking about on a public forum, so please feel free to
email me privately to share your experiences.
Thanks a ton for your help!

Best,
Rahul


From ahbeeorton at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 15 13:27:49 2017
From: ahbeeorton at yahoo.com (Ahbee Orton)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 07:27:49 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Google Forms and Qualtrics
In-Reply-To: <CAMe9x_E79d6Aj1mECtSt7NQs4CvsTsvuhUBE+AiD_6V4rJ3a4Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMe9x_E79d6Aj1mECtSt7NQs4CvsTsvuhUBE+AiD_6V4rJ3a4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18C8B4C7-427D-40BF-83EA-116EE9508BED@yahoo.com>

Hi Miso,

My schoolteachers use Google Forms quite a bit. I would consider it as fairly accessible but not completely accessible if there are pictures or graphs and tables. I can write things into the given spaces. I can also choose my options, when options are given. It gives these checkbox things to click on. It'll put x's in the spot to know that you've selected the answer choice. If there are pictures though, of course I can't get those. For the text things, I and others are to read and choose or write our answers. 

HTH, 
Ahbee  


Sent from Ahbee's iPhone

> On Jan 15, 2017, at 1:13 AM, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I am in the planning stage of my senior capstone research, which will
> involve distributing questionnaires and collecting responses. I am
> considering Google Forms and Qualtrics as potential platforms to
> accomplish this task.
> I would like to know how accessible it is to create and analyze the
> resulting data on Google Forms.
> 
> Also if anyone on this list has experience with Qualtrics, please let
> me know how accessible it is.
> 
> Would greatly appreciate your feedback on either platforms.
> 
> --Miso Kwak
> 
> -- 
> Miso Kwak
> University of California, Los Angeles | 2017
> Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
> 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 15 14:42:51 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 09:42:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Finding a Dating Partner
In-Reply-To: <CADFycPZ3g8u90Gcdn6jvN4Kg=f+pkCmWi5UbEnSHvjj6dfiZGQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADFycPZ3g8u90Gcdn6jvN4Kg=f+pkCmWi5UbEnSHvjj6dfiZGQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <039001d26f3d$a662b2a0$f32817e0$@gmail.com>

You might also try the blind talk list with the same message.  Not that you
won't get answers here, this would help all students, but you may find more
folks in committed relationships on the blind talk list. 
 Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj via
NABS-L
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 8:25 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Finding a Dating Partner

Hi Everyone,

I hope this message finds you well.
I know this is something that gets discussed often, but I was unable to
locate a definitive source on this subject, so I figured I would ask this
question.

I would be extremely grateful if you guys could share the strategies that
you have adopted (both successful and unsuccessful) for finding a dating
partner.
I know that Tinder is not accessible and the other dating apps that may be
accessible aren't sufficiently 'mainstream' in India, which is where I live,
to attract anyone except busybodies.
I am averse to the idea of dating someone else with a disability, so any
apps that may exist for this purpose aren't very useful for me.
 So I would be curious to know if anyone has any ideas as regards the steps
that I can take to find someone.
Also, in light of the fact that blind people typically do not have as active
a social life as their sighted counterparts, I would be curious to know how
those of you who are committed were able to find your partner.

I know that this is a subject that not many people would be comfortable
talking about on a public forum, so please feel free to email me privately
to share your experiences.
Thanks a ton for your help!

Best,
Rahul

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From sgermano at asu.edu  Sun Jan 15 15:49:11 2017
From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 09:49:11 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Finding a Dating Partner
In-Reply-To: <039001d26f3d$a662b2a0$f32817e0$@gmail.com>
References: <CADFycPZ3g8u90Gcdn6jvN4Kg=f+pkCmWi5UbEnSHvjj6dfiZGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<039001d26f3d$a662b2a0$f32817e0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAF=_avcYk+Pz6bt-X2KbVN-jq2jQg7No2j5spree0OPW99bUGA@mail.gmail.com>

I met my husband on a bodybuilding forum. We are both very interested in
fitness and I competed in bodybuilding so we knew we had that in common. He
messaged me through the forum.

On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 8:42 AM, Justin Williams via NABS-L <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> You might also try the blind talk list with the same message.  Not that you
> won't get answers here, this would help all students, but you may find more
> folks in committed relationships on the blind talk list.
>  Justin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
> via
> NABS-L
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 8:25 AM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Finding a Dating Partner
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I hope this message finds you well.
> I know this is something that gets discussed often, but I was unable to
> locate a definitive source on this subject, so I figured I would ask this
> question.
>
> I would be extremely grateful if you guys could share the strategies that
> you have adopted (both successful and unsuccessful) for finding a dating
> partner.
> I know that Tinder is not accessible and the other dating apps that may be
> accessible aren't sufficiently 'mainstream' in India, which is where I
> live,
> to attract anyone except busybodies.
> I am averse to the idea of dating someone else with a disability, so any
> apps that may exist for this purpose aren't very useful for me.
>  So I would be curious to know if anyone has any ideas as regards the steps
> that I can take to find someone.
> Also, in light of the fact that blind people typically do not have as
> active
> a social life as their sighted counterparts, I would be curious to know how
> those of you who are committed were able to find your partner.
>
> I know that this is a subject that not many people would be comfortable
> talking about on a public forum, so please feel free to email me privately
> to share your experiences.
> Thanks a ton for your help!
>
> Best,
> Rahul
>
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From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Sun Jan 15 16:41:39 2017
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 11:41:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Finding a Dating Partner
In-Reply-To: <CAF=_avcYk+Pz6bt-X2KbVN-jq2jQg7No2j5spree0OPW99bUGA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADFycPZ3g8u90Gcdn6jvN4Kg=f+pkCmWi5UbEnSHvjj6dfiZGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<039001d26f3d$a662b2a0$f32817e0$@gmail.com>
	<CAF=_avcYk+Pz6bt-X2KbVN-jq2jQg7No2j5spree0OPW99bUGA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <377D0E86-7936-41B9-9B82-36994D889C9E@gmail.com>

I know many people have found a date at NFB events like state convention, national convention, or Washington seminar. My parents were also born in india so sometimes they are protective. 
Try to hang out with friends and explain to other people that you can live an independent life. 


Shikha. 

> On Jan 15, 2017, at 10:49 AM, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I met my husband on a bodybuilding forum. We are both very interested in
> fitness and I competed in bodybuilding so we knew we had that in common. He
> messaged me through the forum.
> 
> On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 8:42 AM, Justin Williams via NABS-L <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>> You might also try the blind talk list with the same message.  Not that you
>> won't get answers here, this would help all students, but you may find more
>> folks in committed relationships on the blind talk list.
>> Justin
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
>> via
>> NABS-L
>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 8:25 AM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Finding a Dating Partner
>> 
>> Hi Everyone,
>> 
>> I hope this message finds you well.
>> I know this is something that gets discussed often, but I was unable to
>> locate a definitive source on this subject, so I figured I would ask this
>> question.
>> 
>> I would be extremely grateful if you guys could share the strategies that
>> you have adopted (both successful and unsuccessful) for finding a dating
>> partner.
>> I know that Tinder is not accessible and the other dating apps that may be
>> accessible aren't sufficiently 'mainstream' in India, which is where I
>> live,
>> to attract anyone except busybodies.
>> I am averse to the idea of dating someone else with a disability, so any
>> apps that may exist for this purpose aren't very useful for me.
>> So I would be curious to know if anyone has any ideas as regards the steps
>> that I can take to find someone.
>> Also, in light of the fact that blind people typically do not have as
>> active
>> a social life as their sighted counterparts, I would be curious to know how
>> those of you who are committed were able to find your partner.
>> 
>> I know that this is a subject that not many people would be comfortable
>> talking about on a public forum, so please feel free to email me privately
>> to share your experiences.
>> Thanks a ton for your help!
>> 
>> Best,
>> Rahul
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/
>> justin.williams2%40gmail
>> .com
>> 
>> 
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From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Sun Jan 15 16:54:53 2017
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 11:54:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Finding a Dating Partner
In-Reply-To: <377D0E86-7936-41B9-9B82-36994D889C9E@gmail.com>
References: <CADFycPZ3g8u90Gcdn6jvN4Kg=f+pkCmWi5UbEnSHvjj6dfiZGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<039001d26f3d$a662b2a0$f32817e0$@gmail.com>
	<CAF=_avcYk+Pz6bt-X2KbVN-jq2jQg7No2j5spree0OPW99bUGA@mail.gmail.com>
	<377D0E86-7936-41B9-9B82-36994D889C9E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHqxUesS-WQyPB+PR2miD=hppgf1bm-oRVXujWvx3Cm3_wfcZg@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Rahul,

I think this is a more common challenge than some may believe. Not
just for those that are blind or visually impaired but for people in
general. Some people, regardless of disability, are just natural at
knowing how to attract and connect with those they are interested in
while others find the situation awkward and shy away from dating
altogether.
You mentioned you are averse to dating someone with a disability so I
will respect that decision.
I am not sure how things work in India so if any of my suggestions are
not possible, I am sorry but I hope they can lead you in some sort of
direction.
If there are clubs, social groups or other settings where young adults
hang out, you could go to those events and hang out with your peers.
Try to fit in wiht them; have a balance between telling them things
they need to know about your blindness (if any) and talking to them as
a regular young adult about TV shows, movies, sports Etc.
Try to show the groups that you are blind yes but that does not make
you impossible to befriend.
Another thing you could try is asking any people your age where you
live how they get dates. It may be best to ask people who are not
using Tinder because, as you mentioned, that service is not very
user-friendly.
I am sure your peers wouldn't mind helping you out. :-)


On 1/15/17, Shikha via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I know many people have found a date at NFB events like state convention,
> national convention, or Washington seminar. My parents were also born in
> india so sometimes they are protective.
> Try to hang out with friends and explain to other people that you can live
> an independent life.
>
>
> Shikha.
>
>> On Jan 15, 2017, at 10:49 AM, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I met my husband on a bodybuilding forum. We are both very interested in
>> fitness and I competed in bodybuilding so we knew we had that in common.
>> He
>> messaged me through the forum.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 8:42 AM, Justin Williams via NABS-L <
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> You might also try the blind talk list with the same message.  Not that
>>> you
>>> won't get answers here, this would help all students, but you may find
>>> more
>>> folks in committed relationships on the blind talk list.
>>> Justin
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
>>> via
>>> NABS-L
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 8:25 AM
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Finding a Dating Partner
>>>
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>
>>> I hope this message finds you well.
>>> I know this is something that gets discussed often, but I was unable to
>>> locate a definitive source on this subject, so I figured I would ask
>>> this
>>> question.
>>>
>>> I would be extremely grateful if you guys could share the strategies
>>> that
>>> you have adopted (both successful and unsuccessful) for finding a dating
>>> partner.
>>> I know that Tinder is not accessible and the other dating apps that may
>>> be
>>> accessible aren't sufficiently 'mainstream' in India, which is where I
>>> live,
>>> to attract anyone except busybodies.
>>> I am averse to the idea of dating someone else with a disability, so any
>>> apps that may exist for this purpose aren't very useful for me.
>>> So I would be curious to know if anyone has any ideas as regards the
>>> steps
>>> that I can take to find someone.
>>> Also, in light of the fact that blind people typically do not have as
>>> active
>>> a social life as their sighted counterparts, I would be curious to know
>>> how
>>> those of you who are committed were able to find your partner.
>>>
>>> I know that this is a subject that not many people would be comfortable
>>> talking about on a public forum, so please feel free to email me
>>> privately
>>> to share your experiences.
>>> Thanks a ton for your help!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rahul
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> NABS-L:
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>>> justin.williams2%40gmail
>>> .com
>>>
>>>
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 15 22:08:41 2017
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 17:08:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Google Forms and Qualtrics
In-Reply-To: <18C8B4C7-427D-40BF-83EA-116EE9508BED@yahoo.com>
References: <CAMe9x_E79d6Aj1mECtSt7NQs4CvsTsvuhUBE+AiD_6V4rJ3a4Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<18C8B4C7-427D-40BF-83EA-116EE9508BED@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJAiRKo7c8OPe2H2wj3gab-W-6S7d=aAtc5vLuFf8MiNPQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Miso and all. From a survey creator standpoint, Google Forms is
much more accessible than Qualtrics, at least as of 2014 when I last
used Qualtrics. At that time, there were random elements on the survey
design page that were unclickable using JAWS. I am still learning
Google Forms but so far it has been pretty usable. If you are a JAWS
user, it works best with Chrome and the Chromevox screen reader
plug-in.
HTH, Arielle

On 1/15/17, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Miso,
>
> My schoolteachers use Google Forms quite a bit. I would consider it as
> fairly accessible but not completely accessible if there are pictures or
> graphs and tables. I can write things into the given spaces. I can also
> choose my options, when options are given. It gives these checkbox things to
> click on. It'll put x's in the spot to know that you've selected the answer
> choice. If there are pictures though, of course I can't get those. For the
> text things, I and others are to read and choose or write our answers.
>
> HTH,
> Ahbee
>
>
> Sent from Ahbee's iPhone
>
>> On Jan 15, 2017, at 1:13 AM, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I am in the planning stage of my senior capstone research, which will
>> involve distributing questionnaires and collecting responses. I am
>> considering Google Forms and Qualtrics as potential platforms to
>> accomplish this task.
>> I would like to know how accessible it is to create and analyze the
>> resulting data on Google Forms.
>>
>> Also if anyone on this list has experience with Qualtrics, please let
>> me know how accessible it is.
>>
>> Would greatly appreciate your feedback on either platforms.
>>
>> --Miso Kwak
>>
>> --
>> Miso Kwak
>> University of California, Los Angeles | 2017
>> Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
>>
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>
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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 01:47:04 2017
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 20:47:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Help using "podcast republic" on BN touch
Message-ID: <479AEDB2-5BEB-4BEB-BBB8-1476A0A8C698@gmail.com>

Hi,
I’d like to use “podcast republic” on my BN touch to listen to podcasts.
Can anyone please tell me how to use it?
I’m having serious issues doing the following:
1. Importing my OPML file of subscriptions
2. Downloading episodes

I got one to download last night, but then the developer suggested I re-install the app to fix the import issue, which it didn’t, and now the download I had is gone, and it won’t download again. Neither will anything else.
Can anyone help me?
Thanks,
Jessica



From christgirl813 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 06:38:26 2017
From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 00:38:26 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB reader for Android and Learning Ally
Message-ID: <CAP4F+WV046AJKwxWm2Xe-n1eYjppo85PUFa7g-UtTTt-7q9CMg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, guys. I am trying to get the KNFB reader on my Android phone. I
heard I can try it for free.
My phone says it is full up with apps. I only remember downloading
Skype and Facebook, which I deleted.
What apps are unnecessary that I don't need so I can disable them.
Also, has anyone become college members of the Learning Ally group?
The College Success one?
I tried to enroll, but the contact boxes said "read only" on my IPad
and MacBook. Can anyone help?


From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 16:41:17 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 08:41:17 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] College Math Homework on the Perkins Brailler
Message-ID: <587cf7af.1aa3630a.b4b29.d6e6@mx.google.com>

Hi All,
I have a question regarding math homework.
I am taking a math course (quantitative reasoning), that is held 
twice a week.  Homework is assigned at every session and 
collected at the next session.  Work must be shown if applicable 
(if it's more than just punching something really simple into the 
calculator).
I use a Perkins Brailler to do my homework because I like how 
easily all the numbers line up.  I was wondering for anyone who 
has also used one, how you would get it into print for the 
teacher.  My Disability Services are extremely helpful and I 
could tell one of the grad student staff the answers for them to 
write out, but I was just curious if others have done it 
differently.  If all my professor wanted was the answers, I could 
do all the problems on the Brailler and then make an electronic 
file with the answers on them, but work does need to be shown.
Thanks,
Vejas


From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 17:05:21 2017
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 11:05:21 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] College Math Homework on the Perkins Brailler
In-Reply-To: <587cf7af.1aa3630a.b4b29.d6e6@mx.google.com>
References: <587cf7af.1aa3630a.b4b29.d6e6@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <FFF8463C-A781-4BFE-B3D6-F036292A6DED@gmail.com>

Vejas, 
I run into this issue with all of my math and science courses. It may take longer, but I write things out on the Perkins, then type them into my laptop or notetaker. If I remember right, you have an Apex. If you write in NEmeth on the Apex, it will not display properly as symbolic math. Those with the touch can write in Nemeth and have it display as linear symbolic math. I believe the BrailleSense also has this capability. When writing on a laptop, without the assistance of specialized math editing software, you can write linearly, using +, -, * and / for your equations. You can also use the caret for an exponent. This should be fairly readable by your instructor.
HTH,
Aleeha 
> On Jan 16, 2017, at 10:41 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> I have a question regarding math homework.
> I am taking a math course (quantitative reasoning), that is held twice a week.  Homework is assigned at every session and collected at the next session.  Work must be shown if applicable (if it's more than just punching something really simple into the calculator).
> I use a Perkins Brailler to do my homework because I like how easily all the numbers line up.  I was wondering for anyone who has also used one, how you would get it into print for the teacher.  My Disability Services are extremely helpful and I could tell one of the grad student staff the answers for them to write out, but I was just curious if others have done it differently.  If all my professor wanted was the answers, I could do all the problems on the Brailler and then make an electronic file with the answers on them, but work does need to be shown.
> Thanks,
> Vejas
> 
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From kskristen at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 17:07:38 2017
From: kskristen at gmail.com (Kristen Steele)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 11:07:38 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] College Math Homework on the Perkins Brailler
In-Reply-To: <587cf7af.1aa3630a.b4b29.d6e6@mx.google.com>
References: <587cf7af.1aa3630a.b4b29.d6e6@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAD6Dm-2OKhnJPQMY+mjXpFSQoQTXqHdaUfcmFUfpiMknfKwBhQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, Vejas--

I know what you mean about seeing equations lined up on the Brailler
to solve them more easily. Are you familiar with the Nemeth input
translation software on the Apex? All of my math instructors were able
to see my work perfectly when I e-mailed it to them in a MS Word file.

This is a little tedious, but personally, if it were me, I would solve
your questions on the Brailler to visualize the formulas, then retype
your work in the Nemeth mode on the Apex and send it in
electronically. That way, you are responsible for your own answers,
and it eliminates the potential error of the middle person. Also, if
you have a question on something, you know exactly what you wrote and
to which portion to draw the teacher's attention.

I find it quicker to pull up previous assignments on the BrailleNote
when studying for tests or checking your homework in class, rather
than searching through a stack of Braille pages in folders, which you
won't need to save after you enter your work electronically for each
assignment. Another benefit is the built-in Symbol Selector that is a
good reference tool if you aren't sure on a particular Nemeth sign.

That's just my preference for math courses. Hope it is useful!
--
Kristen

On 1/16/17, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi All,
> I have a question regarding math homework.
> I am taking a math course (quantitative reasoning), that is held
> twice a week.  Homework is assigned at every session and
> collected at the next session.  Work must be shown if applicable
> (if it's more than just punching something really simple into the
> calculator).
> I use a Perkins Brailler to do my homework because I like how
> easily all the numbers line up.  I was wondering for anyone who
> has also used one, how you would get it into print for the
> teacher.  My Disability Services are extremely helpful and I
> could tell one of the grad student staff the answers for them to
> write out, but I was just curious if others have done it
> differently.  If all my professor wanted was the answers, I could
> do all the problems on the Brailler and then make an electronic
> file with the answers on them, but work does need to be shown.
> Thanks,
> Vejas
>
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 17:15:22 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 09:15:22 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] College Math Homework on the Perkins Brailler
Message-ID: <587cffad.06aa630a.5652c.b4aa@mx.google.com>

Hi Kristen,
I have never used the Nemeth feature on my Apex before.  I'm glad 
you have had a positive experience with it.
Do you just set the braillenote to computer Braille and work with 
a document that way? And are you able to show your work well?
Thanks,
Vejas


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Kristen Steele via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 11:07:38 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College Math Homework on the Perkins 
Brailler

Hi, Vejas--

I know what you mean about seeing equations lined up on the 
Brailler
to solve them more easily.  Are you familiar with the Nemeth 
input
translation software on the Apex? All of my math instructors were 
able
to see my work perfectly when I e-mailed it to them in a MS Word 
file.

This is a little tedious, but personally, if it were me, I would 
solve
your questions on the Brailler to visualize the formulas, then 
retype
your work in the Nemeth mode on the Apex and send it in
electronically.  That way, you are responsible for your own 
answers,
and it eliminates the potential error of the middle person.  
Also, if
you have a question on something, you know exactly what you wrote 
and
to which portion to draw the teacher's attention.

I find it quicker to pull up previous assignments on the 
BrailleNote
when studying for tests or checking your homework in class, 
rather
than searching through a stack of Braille pages in folders, which 
you
won't need to save after you enter your work electronically for 
each
assignment.  Another benefit is the built-in Symbol Selector that 
is a
good reference tool if you aren't sure on a particular Nemeth 
sign.

That's just my preference for math courses.  Hope it is useful!
--
Kristen

On 1/16/17, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
wrote:
 Hi All,
 I have a question regarding math homework.
 I am taking a math course (quantitative reasoning), that is held
 twice a week.  Homework is assigned at every session and
 collected at the next session.  Work must be shown if applicable
 (if it's more than just punching something really simple into 
the
 calculator).
 I use a Perkins Brailler to do my homework because I like how
 easily all the numbers line up.  I was wondering for anyone who
 has also used one, how you would get it into print for the
 teacher.  My Disability Services are extremely helpful and I
 could tell one of the grad student staff the answers for them to
 write out, but I was just curious if others have done it
 differently.  If all my professor wanted was the answers, I 
could
 do all the problems on the Brailler and then make an electronic
 file with the answers on them, but work does need to be shown.
 Thanks,
 Vejas

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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 17:23:26 2017
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 12:23:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] College Math Homework on the Perkins Brailler
Message-ID: <587d0191.d1076b0a.fe0c3.c524@mx.google.com>

Hi,
A couple questions.
1. Do you have a computer with Braille translation software on it?
2. Do you have an embosser?
If the answer to both of these questions is "yes" you could type your assignment in your computer, make an embossed copy for yourself, then print a regular copy using a printer.
This is just a suggestion.
It's probably what I'd do.
Thanks,
Jessica

On Jan 16, 2017 11:41 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi All, 
> I have a question regarding math homework. 
> I am taking a math course (quantitative reasoning), that is held 
> twice a week.  Homework is assigned at every session and 
> collected at the next session.  Work must be shown if applicable 
> (if it's more than just punching something really simple into the 
> calculator). 
> I use a Perkins Brailler to do my homework because I like how 
> easily all the numbers line up.  I was wondering for anyone who 
> has also used one, how you would get it into print for the 
> teacher.  My Disability Services are extremely helpful and I 
> could tell one of the grad student staff the answers for them to 
> write out, but I was just curious if others have done it 
> differently.  If all my professor wanted was the answers, I could 
> do all the problems on the Brailler and then make an electronic 
> file with the answers on them, but work does need to be shown. 
> Thanks, 
> Vejas 
>
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 17:26:27 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 09:26:27 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] College Math Homework on the Perkins Brailler
Message-ID: <587d0245.1aa3630a.b4b29.e0fe@mx.google.com>

Thanks.=20=20No,=20I=20don't=20have=20an=20embosser.
Vejas


=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Jessica=20Dail=20via=20NABS-L=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20Vejas=20Vasiliauskas=20via=20NABS-L=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Mon,=2016=20Jan=202017=2012:23:26=20-0500
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20College=20Math=20Homework=20on=20the=20Perkins=
=20
Brailler

Hi,
A=20couple=20questions.
1.=20=20Do=20you=20have=20a=20computer=20with=20Braille=20translation=20sof=
tware=20on=20
it?
2.=20=20Do=20you=20have=20an=20embosser?
If=20the=20answer=20to=20both=20of=20these=20questions=20is=20"yes"=20you=20=
could=20type=20
your=20assignment=20in=20your=20computer,=20make=20an=20embossed=20copy=20f=
or=20
yourself,=20then=20print=20a=20regular=20copy=20using=20a=20printer.
This=20is=20just=20a=20suggestion.
It's=20probably=20what=20I'd=20do.
Thanks,
Jessica

On=20Jan=2016,=202017=2011:41=20AM,=20Vejas=20Vasiliauskas=20via=20NABS-L=20=

<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:

=20Hi=20All,
=20I=20have=20a=20question=20regarding=20math=20homework.
=20I=20am=20taking=20a=20math=20course=20(quantitative=20reasoning),=20that=
=20is=20held
=20twice=20a=20week.=C2=A0=20Homework=20is=20assigned=20at=20every=20sessio=
n=20and
=20collected=20at=20the=20next=20session.=C2=A0=20Work=20must=20be=20shown=
=20if=20
applicable
=20(if=20it's=20more=20than=20just=20punching=20something=20really=20simple=
=20into=20
the
=20calculator).
=20I=20use=20a=20Perkins=20Brailler=20to=20do=20my=20homework=20because=20I=
=20like=20how
=20easily=20all=20the=20numbers=20line=20up.=C2=A0=20I=20was=20wondering=20=
for=20anyone=20who
=20has=20also=20used=20one,=20how=20you=20would=20get=20it=20into=20print=20=
for=20the
=20teacher.=C2=A0=20My=20Disability=20Services=20are=20extremely=20helpful=
=20and=20I
=20could=20tell=20one=20of=20the=20grad=20student=20staff=20the=20answers=20=
for=20them=20to
=20write=20out,=20but=20I=20was=20just=20curious=20if=20others=20have=20don=
e=20it
=20differently.=C2=A0=20If=20all=20my=20professor=20wanted=20was=20the=20an=
swers,=20I=20
could
=20do=20all=20the=20problems=20on=20the=20Brailler=20and=20then=20make=20an=
=20electronic
=20file=20with=20the=20answers=20on=20them,=20but=20work=20does=20need=20to=
=20be=20shown.
=20Thanks,
=20Vejas

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From kskristen at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 17:31:24 2017
From: kskristen at gmail.com (Kristen Steele)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 11:31:24 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] College Math Homework on the Perkins Brailler
In-Reply-To: <587cffad.06aa630a.5652c.b4aa@mx.google.com>
References: <587cffad.06aa630a.5652c.b4aa@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAD6Dm-2fcaoeXbHYAQ0MMROe8j0DG9gGsOZ_UJv84gPoKSY4Pw@mail.gmail.com>

Vejas--

Yes, nearly all symbols appear mathematically, as you would write them
in print. I now have my Apex switched to UEB, and it appears you have
to be in USA Braille for Nemeth input to work. Once your keyboard
Braille grade is switched back, you can enter Nemeth mode from any
KeyWord file by pressing Backspace-N. The Symbol Selector is accessed
by Backspace-3-5. From that point, you just type in Nemeth, as if you
were using a Brailler, and when converted to Word, all symbols will
appear correctly in print.

There is also a section in the User Guide under Nemeth Topics that
explains the feature. If you have any other questions throughout the
course, feel free to get in touch!
--
Kristen

On 1/16/17, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Kristen,
> I have never used the Nemeth feature on my Apex before.  I'm glad
> you have had a positive experience with it.
> Do you just set the braillenote to computer Braille and work with
> a document that way? And are you able to show your work well?
> Thanks,
> Vejas
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kristen Steele via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 11:07:38 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College Math Homework on the Perkins
> Brailler
>
> Hi, Vejas--
>
> I know what you mean about seeing equations lined up on the
> Brailler
> to solve them more easily.  Are you familiar with the Nemeth
> input
> translation software on the Apex? All of my math instructors were
> able
> to see my work perfectly when I e-mailed it to them in a MS Word
> file.
>
> This is a little tedious, but personally, if it were me, I would
> solve
> your questions on the Brailler to visualize the formulas, then
> retype
> your work in the Nemeth mode on the Apex and send it in
> electronically.  That way, you are responsible for your own
> answers,
> and it eliminates the potential error of the middle person.
> Also, if
> you have a question on something, you know exactly what you wrote
> and
> to which portion to draw the teacher's attention.
>
> I find it quicker to pull up previous assignments on the
> BrailleNote
> when studying for tests or checking your homework in class,
> rather
> than searching through a stack of Braille pages in folders, which
> you
> won't need to save after you enter your work electronically for
> each
> assignment.  Another benefit is the built-in Symbol Selector that
> is a
> good reference tool if you aren't sure on a particular Nemeth
> sign.
>
> That's just my preference for math courses.  Hope it is useful!
> --
> Kristen
>
> On 1/16/17, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>  Hi All,
>  I have a question regarding math homework.
>  I am taking a math course (quantitative reasoning), that is held
>  twice a week.  Homework is assigned at every session and
>  collected at the next session.  Work must be shown if applicable
>  (if it's more than just punching something really simple into
> the
>  calculator).
>  I use a Perkins Brailler to do my homework because I like how
>  easily all the numbers line up.  I was wondering for anyone who
>  has also used one, how you would get it into print for the
>  teacher.  My Disability Services are extremely helpful and I
>  could tell one of the grad student staff the answers for them to
>  write out, but I was just curious if others have done it
>  differently.  If all my professor wanted was the answers, I
> could
>  do all the problems on the Brailler and then make an electronic
>  file with the answers on them, but work does need to be shown.
>  Thanks,
>  Vejas
>
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From bre.brown24 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 17:35:13 2017
From: bre.brown24 at gmail.com (Bre Brown)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 11:35:13 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Membership call: all about legislation;
 this Sunday 1/22 at 8pm eastern
Message-ID: <CACXqA0oaHjRg-Q7iGnSPjv=LLyRn1GiWX_VLxfY4=P2N2y-yeQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

We hope your week is off to a great start!
This Sunday, January 22 at 8pm eastern, we will be having our membership call.
This month, it’s all about the 2017 Washington Seminar that is right
around the corner. Whether you are attending Washington Seminar or not
it is a great way to learn about our national legislative agenda items
for the upcoming year. Our governmental affairs team will be joining
us, as well as our NABS Legislative Committee!
Come with great questions; and bring friends.
Call: 605-475-6700;
Access code: 7869673.

Best,
Bre Brown

Vice President, National Association of Blind Students


From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 17:47:43 2017
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 11:47:43 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] College Math Homework on the Perkins Brailler
In-Reply-To: <CAD6Dm-2fcaoeXbHYAQ0MMROe8j0DG9gGsOZ_UJv84gPoKSY4Pw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <587cffad.06aa630a.5652c.b4aa@mx.google.com>
	<CAD6Dm-2fcaoeXbHYAQ0MMROe8j0DG9gGsOZ_UJv84gPoKSY4Pw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B55BF651-C649-4D92-A601-CBB3D279C933@gmail.com>

Hi, 
When I tried that feature, it did not work properly, displaying the math in words, rather than in symbols. For example, a fraction would appear as open frac 2 over 3 close frac. My instructor had a great deal of issue understanding this method.
Aleeha 
> On Jan 16, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Kristen Steele via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Vejas--
> 
> Yes, nearly all symbols appear mathematically, as you would write them
> in print. I now have my Apex switched to UEB, and it appears you have
> to be in USA Braille for Nemeth input to work. Once your keyboard
> Braille grade is switched back, you can enter Nemeth mode from any
> KeyWord file by pressing Backspace-N. The Symbol Selector is accessed
> by Backspace-3-5. From that point, you just type in Nemeth, as if you
> were using a Brailler, and when converted to Word, all symbols will
> appear correctly in print.
> 
> There is also a section in the User Guide under Nemeth Topics that
> explains the feature. If you have any other questions throughout the
> course, feel free to get in touch!
> --
> Kristen
> 
> On 1/16/17, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Kristen,
>> I have never used the Nemeth feature on my Apex before.  I'm glad
>> you have had a positive experience with it.
>> Do you just set the braillenote to computer Braille and work with
>> a document that way? And are you able to show your work well?
>> Thanks,
>> Vejas
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Kristen Steele via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 11:07:38 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College Math Homework on the Perkins
>> Brailler
>> 
>> Hi, Vejas--
>> 
>> I know what you mean about seeing equations lined up on the
>> Brailler
>> to solve them more easily.  Are you familiar with the Nemeth
>> input
>> translation software on the Apex? All of my math instructors were
>> able
>> to see my work perfectly when I e-mailed it to them in a MS Word
>> file.
>> 
>> This is a little tedious, but personally, if it were me, I would
>> solve
>> your questions on the Brailler to visualize the formulas, then
>> retype
>> your work in the Nemeth mode on the Apex and send it in
>> electronically.  That way, you are responsible for your own
>> answers,
>> and it eliminates the potential error of the middle person.
>> Also, if
>> you have a question on something, you know exactly what you wrote
>> and
>> to which portion to draw the teacher's attention.
>> 
>> I find it quicker to pull up previous assignments on the
>> BrailleNote
>> when studying for tests or checking your homework in class,
>> rather
>> than searching through a stack of Braille pages in folders, which
>> you
>> won't need to save after you enter your work electronically for
>> each
>> assignment.  Another benefit is the built-in Symbol Selector that
>> is a
>> good reference tool if you aren't sure on a particular Nemeth
>> sign.
>> 
>> That's just my preference for math courses.  Hope it is useful!
>> --
>> Kristen
>> 
>> On 1/16/17, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> I have a question regarding math homework.
>> I am taking a math course (quantitative reasoning), that is held
>> twice a week.  Homework is assigned at every session and
>> collected at the next session.  Work must be shown if applicable
>> (if it's more than just punching something really simple into
>> the
>> calculator).
>> I use a Perkins Brailler to do my homework because I like how
>> easily all the numbers line up.  I was wondering for anyone who
>> has also used one, how you would get it into print for the
>> teacher.  My Disability Services are extremely helpful and I
>> could tell one of the grad student staff the answers for them to
>> write out, but I was just curious if others have done it
>> differently.  If all my professor wanted was the answers, I
>> could
>> do all the problems on the Brailler and then make an electronic
>> file with the answers on them, but work does need to be shown.
>> Thanks,
>> Vejas
>> 
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From awildheir at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 18:11:17 2017
From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 13:11:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Alternate mail app in iOS
Message-ID: <30BCD644-FE4D-437C-BF9B-952D0C3B9FF6@gmail.com>

Hello listers,

I am not happy with the changes that of been made to the native mail app in iOS. Does anyone have any suggestion for an alternate but robust mail app that would be friendlier with voiceover and have some of the same features like notifications and VIP list?


Aimee

Sent from my iPhone

From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 18:11:19 2017
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 13:11:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Membership call: all about legislation;
 this Sunday 1/22 at 8pm eastern
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Is this the same call for the Washington seminar scholarship winners because our call is on same day from 7:30 to 9?


Shikha. 

> On Jan 16, 2017, at 12:35 PM, Bre Brown via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> We hope your week is off to a great start!
> This Sunday, January 22 at 8pm eastern, we will be having our membership call.
> This month, it’s all about the 2017 Washington Seminar that is right
> around the corner. Whether you are attending Washington Seminar or not
> it is a great way to learn about our national legislative agenda items
> for the upcoming year. Our governmental affairs team will be joining
> us, as well as our NABS Legislative Committee!
> Come with great questions; and bring friends.
> Call: 605-475-6700;
> Access code: 7869673.
> 
> Best,
> Bre Brown
> 
> Vice President, National Association of Blind Students
> 
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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 18:20:44 2017
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster, NABS President)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 13:20:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Membership call: all about legislation;
 this Sunday 1/22 at 8pm eastern
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Yes.

-----Original Message-----
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Cc: Shikha <desai1shikha at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Membership call: all about legislation; this Sunday 1/22 at 8pm eastern

Is this the same call for the Washington seminar scholarship winners because our call is on same day from 7:30 to 9?


Shikha. 

> On Jan 16, 2017, at 12:35 PM, Bre Brown via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> We hope your week is off to a great start!
> This Sunday, January 22 at 8pm eastern, we will be having our membership call.
> This month, it’s all about the 2017 Washington Seminar that is right 
> around the corner. Whether you are attending Washington Seminar or not 
> it is a great way to learn about our national legislative agenda items 
> for the upcoming year. Our governmental affairs team will be joining 
> us, as well as our NABS Legislative Committee!
> Come with great questions; and bring friends.
> Call: 605-475-6700;
> Access code: 7869673.
> 
> Best,
> Bre Brown
> 
> Vice President, National Association of Blind Students
> 
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From jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 18:39:44 2017
From: jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com (Jason Polansky)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 13:39:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Alternate mail app in iOS
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References: <30BCD644-FE4D-437C-BF9B-952D0C3B9FF6@gmail.com>
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Hi Amy,
You may want to try going to Settings, mail, and then setting it to display one message at a time. It should work just like it did previously. Are you still in law school in the Harrisburg area? If so, I'd like to connect you with some other federation members and perhaps get a chapter started. 
Best,

> On Jan 16, 2017, at 1:11 PM, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello listers,
> 
> I am not happy with the changes that of been made to the native mail app in iOS. Does anyone have any suggestion for an alternate but robust mail app that would be friendlier with voiceover and have some of the same features like notifications and VIP list?
> 
> 
> Aimee
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From kskristen at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 19:01:48 2017
From: kskristen at gmail.com (Kristen Steele)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 13:01:48 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Alternate mail app in iOS
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References: <30BCD644-FE4D-437C-BF9B-952D0C3B9FF6@gmail.com>
	<8196628F-4396-4C78-B804-B2AD75A23E40@gmail.com>
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I don't see that setting under Mail. I did enable display most recent
message on top. I would also be interested in an alternate, more
accessible app.

On 1/16/17, Jason Polansky via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Amy,
> You may want to try going to Settings, mail, and then setting it to display
> one message at a time. It should work just like it did previously. Are you
> still in law school in the Harrisburg area? If so, I'd like to connect you
> with some other federation members and perhaps get a chapter started.
> Best,
>
>> On Jan 16, 2017, at 1:11 PM, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello listers,
>>
>> I am not happy with the changes that of been made to the native mail app
>> in iOS. Does anyone have any suggestion for an alternate but robust mail
>> app that would be friendlier with voiceover and have some of the same
>> features like notifications and VIP list?
>>
>>
>> Aimee
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 19:53:09 2017
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 14:53:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Membership call: all about legislation;
 this Sunday 1/22 at 8pm eastern
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	<E6F08748-21E1-4970-B6DB-76E7ECD6321D@gmail.com>
	<00da01d27025$40d13900$c273ab00$@gmail.com>
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Thanks!
I will be there!


Shikha. 

> On Jan 16, 2017, at 1:20 PM, Kathryn Webster, NABS President via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Yes.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shikha via NABS-L
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 1:11 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Shikha <desai1shikha at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Membership call: all about legislation; this Sunday 1/22 at 8pm eastern
> 
> Is this the same call for the Washington seminar scholarship winners because our call is on same day from 7:30 to 9?
> 
> 
> Shikha. 
> 
>> On Jan 16, 2017, at 12:35 PM, Bre Brown via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> We hope your week is off to a great start!
>> This Sunday, January 22 at 8pm eastern, we will be having our membership call.
>> This month, it’s all about the 2017 Washington Seminar that is right 
>> around the corner. Whether you are attending Washington Seminar or not 
>> it is a great way to learn about our national legislative agenda items 
>> for the upcoming year. Our governmental affairs team will be joining 
>> us, as well as our NABS Legislative Committee!
>> Come with great questions; and bring friends.
>> Call: 605-475-6700;
>> Access code: 7869673.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Bre Brown
>> 
>> Vice President, National Association of Blind Students
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 20:42:55 2017
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 15:42:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Alternate mail app in iOS
Message-ID: <587d3077.fc23c80a.1f56e.3932@mx.google.com>

What is wrong with the mail app?  I'm still deciding whether to 
upgrade to IOS10, so if it's damaged too badly I won't.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Kristen Steele via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 13:01:48 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Alternate mail app in iOS

I don't see that setting under Mail. I did enable display most 
recent
message on top. I would also be interested in an alternate, more
accessible app.

On 1/16/17, Jason Polansky via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 Hi Amy,
 You may want to try going to Settings, mail, and then setting it 
to display
 one message at a time. It should work just like it did 
previously. Are you
 still in law school in the Harrisburg area? If so, I'd like to 
connect you
 with some other federation members and perhaps get a chapter 
started.
 Best,

 On Jan 16, 2017, at 1:11 PM, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 wrote:

 Hello listers,

 I am not happy with the changes that of been made to the native 
mail app
 in iOS. Does anyone have any suggestion for an alternate but 
robust mail
 app that would be friendlier with voiceover and have some of the 
same
 features like notifications and VIP list?


 Aimee

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From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 01:29:12 2017
From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 20:29:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] College Math Homework on the Perkins Brailler
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Hi Vejas and all,

I, too, find it much easier to solve math problems using a Perkins
brailler and did so in all my math and statistics courses throughout
college. I typically
read my work aloud to a scribe (who was hired by the Disability
Services office) so that he/she can write out everything in print. On
several occasions the professor arranged for me to meet with a
graduate student teaching assistant once a week to transcribe my
answers. Like Alleha I never got the Nemeth mode on my Braille Note to
work properly; it produced math in written text (rather than sympbolic
form) that is very hard for sighted readers to understand. It has been
a while since I last tried it though, so I would encourage you to
enter a few math equations using Nemeth on your Apex and have a
sighted person check the printed results. Hope this helps!

Katie

On 1/16/17, Aleeha Dudley via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> When I tried that feature, it did not work properly, displaying the math in
> words, rather than in symbols. For example, a fraction would appear as open
> frac 2 over 3 close frac. My instructor had a great deal of issue
> understanding this method.
> Aleeha
>> On Jan 16, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Kristen Steele via NABS-L
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Vejas--
>>
>> Yes, nearly all symbols appear mathematically, as you would write them
>> in print. I now have my Apex switched to UEB, and it appears you have
>> to be in USA Braille for Nemeth input to work. Once your keyboard
>> Braille grade is switched back, you can enter Nemeth mode from any
>> KeyWord file by pressing Backspace-N. The Symbol Selector is accessed
>> by Backspace-3-5. From that point, you just type in Nemeth, as if you
>> were using a Brailler, and when converted to Word, all symbols will
>> appear correctly in print.
>>
>> There is also a section in the User Guide under Nemeth Topics that
>> explains the feature. If you have any other questions throughout the
>> course, feel free to get in touch!
>> --
>> Kristen
>>
>> On 1/16/17, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Kristen,
>>> I have never used the Nemeth feature on my Apex before.  I'm glad
>>> you have had a positive experience with it.
>>> Do you just set the braillenote to computer Braille and work with
>>> a document that way? And are you able to show your work well?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Vejas
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Kristen Steele via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 11:07:38 -0600
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College Math Homework on the Perkins
>>> Brailler
>>>
>>> Hi, Vejas--
>>>
>>> I know what you mean about seeing equations lined up on the
>>> Brailler
>>> to solve them more easily.  Are you familiar with the Nemeth
>>> input
>>> translation software on the Apex? All of my math instructors were
>>> able
>>> to see my work perfectly when I e-mailed it to them in a MS Word
>>> file.
>>>
>>> This is a little tedious, but personally, if it were me, I would
>>> solve
>>> your questions on the Brailler to visualize the formulas, then
>>> retype
>>> your work in the Nemeth mode on the Apex and send it in
>>> electronically.  That way, you are responsible for your own
>>> answers,
>>> and it eliminates the potential error of the middle person.
>>> Also, if
>>> you have a question on something, you know exactly what you wrote
>>> and
>>> to which portion to draw the teacher's attention.
>>>
>>> I find it quicker to pull up previous assignments on the
>>> BrailleNote
>>> when studying for tests or checking your homework in class,
>>> rather
>>> than searching through a stack of Braille pages in folders, which
>>> you
>>> won't need to save after you enter your work electronically for
>>> each
>>> assignment.  Another benefit is the built-in Symbol Selector that
>>> is a
>>> good reference tool if you aren't sure on a particular Nemeth
>>> sign.
>>>
>>> That's just my preference for math courses.  Hope it is useful!
>>> --
>>> Kristen
>>>
>>> On 1/16/17, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>> I have a question regarding math homework.
>>> I am taking a math course (quantitative reasoning), that is held
>>> twice a week.  Homework is assigned at every session and
>>> collected at the next session.  Work must be shown if applicable
>>> (if it's more than just punching something really simple into
>>> the
>>> calculator).
>>> I use a Perkins Brailler to do my homework because I like how
>>> easily all the numbers line up.  I was wondering for anyone who
>>> has also used one, how you would get it into print for the
>>> teacher.  My Disability Services are extremely helpful and I
>>> could tell one of the grad student staff the answers for them to
>>> write out, but I was just curious if others have done it
>>> differently.  If all my professor wanted was the answers, I
>>> could
>>> do all the problems on the Brailler and then make an electronic
>>> file with the answers on them, but work does need to be shown.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Vejas
>>>
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From spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 17 01:57:08 2017
From: spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net (Jen)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 20:57:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] College Math Homework on the Perkins Brailler
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In high school, I did all my math work on the brailler because I could
conceptualize the equations more easily. My sighted math tutor, who learned
to read braille visually, transcribed over the braille, and this is how my
teachers got my work in print. This is before I had the BrailleNote.

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Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>

Subject: [nabs-l] College Math Homework on the Perkins Brailler

Hi All,


I have a question regarding math homework.

I am taking a math course (quantitative reasoning) that is held twice a
week. Homework is assigned at every session and collected at the next
session. Work must be shown, if applicable (if it's more than just punching
something really simple into the calculator.)

I use a Perkins Brailler to do my homework because I like how easily all the
numbers line up. I was wondering, for anyone who has also used one, how you
would get it into print for the teacher. My Disability Services are
extremely helpful, and I could tell one of the grad student staff the
answers for them to write out, but I was just curious if others have done it
differently. If all my professor wanted was the answers, I could do all the
problems on the Brailler and then make an electronic file with the answers
on them, but work does need to be shown.

Thanks,


Vejas

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From filerime at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 02:25:10 2017
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 21:25:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Alternate mail app in iOS
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Hi all,
Although I still prefer the previous version, turning off the organise
by thread helped me.
You can go to settings, and click mail. Then find organise by thread
underthreading heading. Finally turn it off.
Hope this helps. I wish it turnes back soon.

Karl,
I don't know how to verbalise what happens when you update it. Just
the view changes and jumping from mail to mail is not as accessible as
it was.

Elif


2017-01-16 15:42 GMT-05:00, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> What is wrong with the mail app?  I'm still deciding whether to
> upgrade to IOS10, so if it's damaged too badly I won't.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kristen Steele via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 13:01:48 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Alternate mail app in iOS
>
> I don't see that setting under Mail. I did enable display most
> recent
> message on top. I would also be interested in an alternate, more
> accessible app.
>
> On 1/16/17, Jason Polansky via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>  Hi Amy,
>  You may want to try going to Settings, mail, and then setting it
> to display
>  one message at a time. It should work just like it did
> previously. Are you
>  still in law school in the Harrisburg area? If so, I'd like to
> connect you
>  with some other federation members and perhaps get a chapter
> started.
>  Best,
>
>  On Jan 16, 2017, at 1:11 PM, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  wrote:
>
>  Hello listers,
>
>  I am not happy with the changes that of been made to the native
> mail app
>  in iOS. Does anyone have any suggestion for an alternate but
> robust mail
>  app that would be friendlier with voiceover and have some of the
> same
>  features like notifications and VIP list?
>
>
>  Aimee
>
>  Sent from my iPhone
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 05:21:26 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 21:21:26 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Some More Math Questions
Message-ID: <74A95CA9-8F03-4D6B-BEC8-2FD3DB5637FF@gmail.com>

Hi All,
Thank you so much for the replies on your first question, regarding math homework on the Perkins brailler. It's also nice to know there are  some  math Apex users.
For these of you who prefer the Perkins Brailler, how do you do quizzes? Do you take them into DSS to do them, or do you do them with the class?  Or do you take them with the professor privately, which is an option at my school?
Also, for the Apex users who have answered, is the Apex calculator functional enough for a statistics class?
Thanks,
Vejas  

From zdreicer at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 06:22:27 2017
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. GriegoDreicer)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 00:22:27 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Filing discrimination complaint re NIU TVI program with US
 Department of Education
Message-ID: <587db82b.e50b6b0a.138cd.0856@mx.google.com>

Hi all,
   Happy new year. I flew all day to Chicago's O'Hare airport the other day from home and was starting to question why I was even coming back to Illinois for another semester after the appaling grade I got in classes I mentioned as being challenging and unpassable due to facing discrimination against all blind students last semester (fall 2016) to you in an earlier email. I had a good long time to think about this as I got further and further away from home, having the question of my voc rehab counsellor and many others of why I didn't transfer to somewhere back home if I'm not going to graduate with what I want to think about, and thought that my best course of action was to just complete the major I switched to after my email to you all last year was sent, especially considering that I can graduate with vocational rehab services undergrad major at the end of the 2017 fall semester. I'm frankly not satisfied with this, because this was planned for down the road, I could accomplish this major at a school much nearer home in an undergraduate path, and I came thousands miles to do the TVI program and am now at this point not even going to graduate with an education credencial. One of my friends suggested the other day that I am within my right to file a complaint to the department of education because a programa for TVIS teachers of visually impaired should most definitelya be accessible. I did file a complaint locally with the school as you guys suggested, but I am highly unsatisfied with how slowly it's progressing and am also highly disappointed in my current situation of being steered off a path that I really wanted to pursue. Nobody else around here has complained or is doing anything about it so I am going to and nobody can now disuade me. I'm not in Illinois just for any program and this is really upsetting that I'm having to do this and that other blind students attending the same program in hopes of the same degree just ran off into the distance and said nothing of it. I'd much rather this not become a legal issue so my friend said the department of ed route will do it and would be much less likely to result in lawyers getting involved. I'm also doing this to try and help, NOT to do a lawsuit. Once the complaint has been received by the department of ed will someone (or a group of people) in NFB be able to please provide representation to guide the school and/or department of ed to make the program accessible? I have hope of returning to this program is something is done about it before December which is my currently scheduled graduation date. Thanks.

Sent from my BrailleNote Touch

From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 17 07:54:27 2017
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 07:54:27 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Filing discrimination complaint re NIU TVI program
 with US Department of Education
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I would, you went to a TVI program, one that should accommodate this population better. To all:
Umass Boston has the best program, I guarantee it. Umass Boston is inclusive all over, you'll love it, come for a visit, bigly it's great, it's great, you know whad I mean. Those others are a horrible disaster and failing miserably. File, file, and then seek out The University Of Massachusetts At Boston for a great inclusive education. 


Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 17, 2017, at 01:24, Zachary N. GriegoDreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
>    Happy new year. I flew all day to Chicago's O'Hare airport the other day from home and was starting to question why I was even coming back to Illinois for another semester after the appaling grade I got in classes I mentioned as being challenging and unpassable due to facing discrimination against all blind students last semester (fall 2016) to you in an earlier email. I had a good long time to think about this as I got further and further away from home, having the question of my voc rehab counsellor and many others of why I didn't transfer to somewhere back home if I'm not going to graduate with what I want to think about, and thought that my best course of action was to just complete the major I switched to after my email to you all last year was sent, especially considering that I can graduate with vocational rehab services undergrad major at the end of the 2017 fall semester. I'm frankly not satisfied with this, because this was planned for down the road, I could accomplish this major at a school much nearer home in an undergraduate path, and I came thousands miles to do the TVI program and am now at this point not even going to graduate with an education credencial. One of my friends suggested the other day that I am within my right to file a complaint to the department of education because a programa for TVIS teachers of visually impaired should most definitelya be accessible. I did file a complaint locally with the school as you guys suggested, but I am highly unsatisfied with how slowly it's progressing and am also highly disappointed in my current situation of being steered off a path that I really wanted to pursue. Nobody else around here has complained or is doing anything about it so I am going to and nobody can now disuade me. I'm not in Illinois just for any program and this is really upsetting that I'm having to do this and that other blind students attending the same program in hopes of the same degree just ran off into the distance and said nothing of it. I'd much rather this not become a legal issue so my friend said the department of ed route will do it and would be much less likely to result in lawyers getting involved. I'm also doing this to try and help, NOT to do a lawsuit. Once the complaint has been received by the department of ed will someone (or a group of people) in NFB be able to please provide representation to guide the school and/or department of ed to make the program accessible? I have hope of returning to this program is something is done about it before December which is my currently scheduled graduation date. Thanks.
> 
> Sent from my BrailleNote Touch
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From carlos.montas at att.net  Tue Jan 17 10:44:13 2017
From: carlos.montas at att.net (Carlos Montas)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 05:44:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Filing discrimination complaint re NIU TVI program
 with US Department of Education
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	<CY4PR10MB16695208CF5ED501D1817C79DC7C0@CY4PR10MB1669.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
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Good morning  my name is Carlos Montas.  I am a vocational rehabilitation Counselor.  Please feel free to contact me off list.  I have a contact that may be able to assist you as your formal complaint moves through at ocr.  you can email me at carlos.montas at att.net  Sincerely,  Carlos Montas  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 17, 2017, at 2:54 AM, wmodnl wmodnl via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I would, you went to a TVI program, one that should accommodate this population better. To all:
> Umass Boston has the best program, I guarantee it. Umass Boston is inclusive all over, you'll love it, come for a visit, bigly it's great, it's great, you know whad I mean. Those others are a horrible disaster and failing miserably. File, file, and then seek out The University Of Massachusetts At Boston for a great inclusive education. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jan 17, 2017, at 01:24, Zachary N. GriegoDreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>>   Happy new year. I flew all day to Chicago's O'Hare airport the other day from home and was starting to question why I was even coming back to Illinois for another semester after the appaling grade I got in classes I mentioned as being challenging and unpassable due to facing discrimination against all blind students last semester (fall 2016) to you in an earlier email. I had a good long time to think about this as I got further and further away from home, having the question of my voc rehab counsellor and many others of why I didn't transfer to somewhere back home if I'm not going to graduate with what I want to think about, and thought that my best course of action was to just complete the major I switched to after my email to you all last year was sent, especially considering that I can graduate with vocational rehab services undergrad major at the end of the 2017 fall semester. I'm frankly not satisfied with this, because this was planned for down the road, I could accomplish this major at a school much nearer home in an undergraduate path, and I came thousands miles to do the TVI program and am now at this point not even going to graduate with an education credencial. One of my friends suggested the other day that I am within my right to file a complaint to the department of education because a programa for TVIS teachers of visually impaired should most definitelya be accessible. I did file a complaint locally with the school as you guys suggested, but I am highly unsatisfied with how slowly it's progressing and am also highly disappointed in my current situation of being steered off a path that I really wanted to pursue. Nobody else around here has complained or is doing anything about it so I am going to and nobody can now disuade me. I'm not in Illinois just for any program and this is really upsetting that I'm having to do this and that other blind students attending the same program in hopes of the same degree just ran off into the distance and said nothing of it. I'd much rather this not b!
> ecome a legal issue so my friend said the department of ed route will do it and would be much less likely to result in lawyers getting involved. I'm also doing this to try and help, NOT to do a lawsuit. Once the complaint has been received by the department of ed will someone (or a group of people) in NFB be able to please provide representation to guide the school and/or department of ed to make the program accessible? I have hope of returning to this program is something is done about it before December which is my currently scheduled graduation date. Thanks.
>> 
>> Sent from my BrailleNote Touch
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From spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 17 13:49:45 2017
From: spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net (Jen)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 08:49:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Some More Math Questions
In-Reply-To: <74A95CA9-8F03-4D6B-BEC8-2FD3DB5637FF@gmail.com>
References: <74A95CA9-8F03-4D6B-BEC8-2FD3DB5637FF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001d270c8$912cd410$b3867c30$@sbcglobal.net>

Hi Vejas,

When I took math quizzes in high school, I went into a separate room. My
tutor read me the questions and answers as often as needed. I also got extra
time.

-----Original Message-----

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Vasiliauskas via NABS-L

Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 12:21 AM
To: Michael D Ausbun via Nabs-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>

Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>

Subject: [nabs-l] Some More Math Questions

Hi All,


Thank you so much for the replies on your first question regarding math
homework on the Perkins brailler. It's also nice to know there are  some
math Apex users.

For those of you who prefer the Perkins Brailler, how do you do quizzes? Do
you take them into DSS to do them, or do you do them with the class, or do
you take them with the professor privately, which is an option at my school?

Also, for the Apex users who have answered, is the Apex calculator
functional enough for a statistics class?

Thanks,


Vejas  
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From spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 17 13:52:58 2017
From: spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net (Jen)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 08:52:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Tell me about the BrailleNote Apex.
Message-ID: <000101d270c9$04048c30$0c0da490$@sbcglobal.net>

Hi guys,

In Vejas' thread, someone mentioned about the BrailleNote Apex. I had a
BrailleNote BT, which HumanWare doesn't make anymore. BrailleNote Apex
users, can you tell me about the Apex? I'm thinking I should purchase it but
would love user feedback first.

Thanks!



From spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 17 14:03:15 2017
From: spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net (Jen)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 09:03:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Some More Math Questions
References: <74A95CA9-8F03-4D6B-BEC8-2FD3DB5637FF@gmail.com> 
Message-ID: <000301d270ca$73777900$5a666b00$@sbcglobal.net>

I want to clarify something. When I say "answers," I mean, they read the
choices if there were multiple-choice questions, and if I thought I had the
right answer, they read the question with my potential answer in it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jen [mailto:spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 8:50 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some More Math Questions

Hi Vejas,

When I took math quizzes in high school, I went into a separate room. My
tutor read me the questions and answers as often as needed. I also got extra
time.

-----Original Message-----

From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
Vasiliauskas via NABS-L

Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 12:21 AM
To: Michael D Ausbun via Nabs-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>

Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>

Subject: [nabs-l] Some More Math Questions

Hi All,


Thank you so much for the replies on your first question regarding math
homework on the Perkins brailler. It's also nice to know there are  some
math Apex users.

For those of you who prefer the Perkins Brailler, how do you do quizzes? Do
you take them into DSS to do them, or do you do them with the class, or do
you take them with the professor privately, which is an option at my school?

Also, for the Apex users who have answered, is the Apex calculator
functional enough for a statistics class?

Thanks,


Vejas  
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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 14:02:04 2017
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 09:02:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Tell me about the BrailleNote Apex.
In-Reply-To: <000101d270c9$04048c30$0c0da490$@sbcglobal.net>
References: <000101d270c9$04048c30$0c0da490$@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <4C7D1A1F-C8DF-4105-B532-27A993F0315E@gmail.com>

Hi,
My previous braillenote was an apex. The braillenote touch is 100 times better, and is consistantly being updated by Humanware. The last update for the Apex was on May 20, 2015. 
There are still some features, like not being able to open multiple documents at once using keyword at once, and I haven't tried it, but I think google docs supports the opening of multiple documents at once. 
It works very nicely. One of my favorite things is that the BN touch supports imap email. 
Thanks, and I hope this helps. 
Jessica


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 17, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Jen via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> In Vejas' thread, someone mentioned about the BrailleNote Apex. I had a
> BrailleNote BT, which HumanWare doesn't make anymore. BrailleNote Apex
> users, can you tell me about the Apex? I'm thinking I should purchase it but
> would love user feedback first.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
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From spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 17 14:23:59 2017
From: spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net (Jen)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 09:23:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] The BrailleNote Touch
Message-ID: <000001d270cd$589d5c00$09d81400$@sbcglobal.net>

Hi,

Someone on the list said the BrailleNote Touch is better, so for users of
the BrailleNote Touch, can you tell me about it?



From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 14:35:51 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 06:35:51 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Tell me about the BrailleNote Apex.
Message-ID: <587e2bcb.035f620a.f73e1.edea@mx.google.com>

Hi Jen,
I have had a BT also.
The Apex is smaller than the BT.  It has 3 USB ports and I know 
it can at least hold a 32 GB USB stick and a 64 GB sd card.  You 
can connect to wifi, unlike the BT.
But with the Braillenote Touch, Neo-Braille made by Irie AT and a 
new notetaker from HIMS, which I have heard about but don't know 
that much about, I would not suggest purchasing an Apex.  They 
are all Android tablets, whereas the Apex only runs using 
Internet explorer 6 and has had its last update, and I often need 
to go online having it paired to my phone or computer.
Vejas


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Jen via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 08:52:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Tell me about the BrailleNote Apex.

Hi guys,

In Vejas' thread, someone mentioned about the BrailleNote Apex.  
I had a
BrailleNote BT, which HumanWare doesn't make anymore.  
BrailleNote Apex
users, can you tell me about the Apex? I'm thinking I should 
purchase it but
would love user feedback first.

Thanks!


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From GCazares at nfb.org  Tue Jan 17 14:44:20 2017
From: GCazares at nfb.org (Cazares, Gabe)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 14:44:20 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Filing discrimination complaint re NIU TVI program
 with US Department of Education
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Zach,

If you have already filed a grievance with your school and are not satisfied with the results of that process, filing a complaint with the Office for Civil Rights in the U.S. Department of Education is certainly another option that is available to you. However, it is important to keep in mind that if the school has not completed its internal investigation as a result of your grievance, OCR will defer to them until that process has been fully completed.

I am happy to chat with you off-list about things you can do to move the process along.

...Gabe

Gabe Cazares
(410) 659-9314 x 2206
National Federation of the Blind

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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Filing discrimination complaint re NIU TVI program with US Department of Education

Good morning  my name is Carlos Montas.  I am a vocational rehabilitation Counselor.  Please feel free to contact me off list.  I have a contact that may be able to assist you as your formal complaint moves through at ocr.  you can email me at carlos.montas at att.net  Sincerely,  Carlos Montas  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 17, 2017, at 2:54 AM, wmodnl wmodnl via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I would, you went to a TVI program, one that should accommodate this population better. To all:
> Umass Boston has the best program, I guarantee it. Umass Boston is inclusive all over, you'll love it, come for a visit, bigly it's great, it's great, you know whad I mean. Those others are a horrible disaster and failing miserably. File, file, and then seek out The University Of Massachusetts At Boston for a great inclusive education. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jan 17, 2017, at 01:24, Zachary N. GriegoDreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>>   Happy new year. I flew all day to Chicago's O'Hare airport the other day from home and was starting to question why I was even coming back to Illinois for another semester after the appaling grade I got in classes I mentioned as being challenging and unpassable due to facing discrimination against all blind students last semester (fall 2016) to you in an earlier email. I had a good long time to think about this as I got further and further away from home, having the question of my voc rehab counsellor and many others of why I didn't transfer to somewhere back home if I'm not going to graduate with what I want to think about, and thought that my best course of action was to just complete the major I switched to after my email to you all last year was sent, especially considering that I can graduate with vocational rehab services undergrad major at the end of the 2017 fall semester. I'm frankly not satisfied with this, because this was planned for down the road, I could accomplish this major at a school much nearer home in an undergraduate path, and I came thousands miles to do the TVI program and am now at this point not even going to graduate with an education credencial. One of my friends suggested the other day that I am within my right to file a complaint to the department of education because a programa for TVIS teachers of visually impaired should most definitelya be accessible. I did file a complaint locally with the school as you guys suggested, but I am highly unsatisfied with how slowly it's progressing and am also highly disappointed in my current situation of being steered off a path that I really wanted to pursue. Nobody else around here has complained or is doing anything about it so I am going to and nobody can now disuade me. I'm not in Illinois just for any program and this is really upsetting that I'm having to do this and that other blind students attending the same program in hopes of the same degree just ran off into the distance and said nothing of it. I'd much rather this not b!
> ecome a legal issue so my friend said the department of ed route will do it and would be much less likely to result in lawyers getting involved. I'm also doing this to try and help, NOT to do a lawsuit. Once the complaint has been received by the department of ed will someone (or a group of people) in NFB be able to please provide representation to guide the school and/or department of ed to make the program accessible? I have hope of returning to this program is something is done about it before December which is my currently scheduled graduation date. Thanks.
>> 
>> Sent from my BrailleNote Touch
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From carlos.montas at att.net  Tue Jan 17 15:20:51 2017
From: carlos.montas at att.net (Carlos Montas)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 10:20:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Filing discrimination complaint re NIU TVI program
 with US Department of Education
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Good morning  you are spot on as far as how this process works.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 17, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Cazares, Gabe <GCazares at nfb.org> wrote:
> 
> Zach,
> 
> If you have already filed a grievance with your school and are not satisfied with the results of that process, filing a complaint with the Office for Civil Rights in the U.S. Department of Education is certainly another option that is available to you. However, it is important to keep in mind that if the school has not completed its internal investigation as a result of your grievance, OCR will defer to them until that process has been fully completed.
> 
> I am happy to chat with you off-list about things you can do to move the process along.
> 
> ...Gabe
> 
> Gabe Cazares
> (410) 659-9314 x 2206
> National Federation of the Blind
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Montas via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 5:44 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Carlos Montas; iabs-talk at nfbnet.org; il-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Filing discrimination complaint re NIU TVI program with US Department of Education
> 
> Good morning my name is Carlos Montas. I am a vocational rehabilitation Counselor. Please feel free to contact me off list. I have a contact that may be able to assist you as your formal complaint moves through at ocr. you can email me at carlos.montas at att.net Sincerely, Carlos Montas
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jan 17, 2017, at 2:54 AM, wmodnl wmodnl via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > 
> > I would, you went to a TVI program, one that should accommodate this population better. To all:
> > Umass Boston has the best program, I guarantee it. Umass Boston is inclusive all over, you'll love it, come for a visit, bigly it's great, it's great, you know whad I mean. Those others are a horrible disaster and failing miserably. File, file, and then seek out The University Of Massachusetts At Boston for a great inclusive education. 
> > 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPad
> > 
> >> On Jan 17, 2017, at 01:24, Zachary N. GriegoDreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hi all,
> >> Happy new year. I flew all day to Chicago's O'Hare airport the other day from home and was starting to question why I was even coming back to Illinois for another semester after the appaling grade I got in classes I mentioned as being challenging and unpassable due to facing discrimination against all blind students last semester (fall 2016) to you in an earlier email. I had a good long time to think about this as I got further and further away from home, having the question of my voc rehab counsellor and many others of why I didn't transfer to somewhere back home if I'm not going to graduate with what I want to think about, and thought that my best course of action was to just complete the major I switched to after my email to you all last year was sent, especially considering that I can graduate with vocational rehab services undergrad major at the end of the 2017 fall semester. I'm frankly not satisfied with this, because this was planned for down the road, I could accomplish this major at a school much nearer home in an undergraduate path, and I came thousands miles to do the TVI program and am now at this point not even going to graduate with an education credencial. One of my friends suggested the other day that I am within my right to file a complaint to the department of education because a programa for TVIS teachers of visually impaired should most definitelya be accessible. I did file a complaint locally with the school as you guys suggested, but I am highly unsatisfied with how slowly it's progressing and am also highly disappointed in my current situation of being steered off a path that I really wanted to pursue. Nobody else around here has complained or is doing anything about it so I am going to and nobody can now disuade me. I'm not in Illinois just for any program and this is really upsetting that I'm having to do this and that other blind students attending the same program in hopes of the same degree just ran off into the distance and said nothing of it. I'd much rather this not b!
> > ecome a legal issue so my friend said the department of ed route will do it and would be much less likely to result in lawyers getting involved. I'm also doing this to try and help, NOT to do a lawsuit. Once the complaint has been received by the department of ed will someone (or a group of people) in NFB be able to please provide representation to guide the school and/or department of ed to make the program accessible? I have hope of returning to this program is something is done about it before December which is my currently scheduled graduation date. Thanks.
> >> 
> >> Sent from my BrailleNote Touch
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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 04:23:26 2017
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 23:23:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] serious issues with email and strage on BN touch
Message-ID: <587e5294.63076b0a.c818.3650@mx.google.com>

Hi,
My email isn't working properly.
My BN touch keeps telling me that I'm "out of storage" even after I've delted a bunch of files I no longer need.
I've also deleted a few emails.
What can I do to fix this issue?
I need my email to work.
Thanks,
Jessica

From jldail13 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 16:46:57 2017
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 11:46:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] sync icloud contacts and calendar to BN touch
Message-ID: <587e52a0.c35b240a.241ee.58f6@mx.google.com>

Hi,
I need to sync my iCloud contacts and clendar to my BN touch.
Can anyone tell me the most accesssible way to do this?
Thanks,
Jessica

From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 21:15:15 2017
From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 16:15:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] an update and question
Message-ID: <009f01d27106$cc6a59b0$653f0d10$@gmail.com>

Hey guys,

I know I haven't been on this list posting a lot. For that I do apologize.
However, I wanted to let you all know that college is worth it. I am 4
months out from graduating with my BS in Music with a concentration in audio
production and minor in communications. It's been a long road ahead and an
uphill battle, but it's been worth it. The connections I've made, the
friends, I've made, the awesome people I've had the pleasure to help record
their music. All worth the struggle and pain. I do have a question though.
In a sighted world, how do you deal with (even in the blindness community)
how do you deal with people who try to rip you off? Since we can't read body
language and eye movements, how do you guys deal with this? 

 

Thanks,

Aaron Linson 

CEO Blind Faith Project <http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject> 

CEO Linson Productions

 

Aaron Linson 

 


From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 22:29:20 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 14:29:20 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] an update and question
Message-ID: <587e9ac4.ce0f620a.5d7b9.ae59@mx.google.com>

Hi Aaron,
Do you mean ripping off in the sense of money or of people trying 
to trick you?
If money-related, then you can use Money-Reader on the phone to 
make sure that you have the right amount.  If I have 1 5-dollar 
bill and 4 1's, I like to ask "Which one is the 5?"
In social situations, though, if you think someone is tricking 
you then maybe you can tell by their tone of voice and, if 
they're with their friends, probably whispering and snickering.
Vejas



 ----- Original Message -----
From: Aaron via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 16:15:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] an update and question

Hey guys,

I know I haven't been on this list posting a lot.  For that I do 
apologize.
However, I wanted to let you all know that college is worth it.  
I am 4
months out from graduating with my BS in Music with a 
concentration in audio
production and minor in communications.  It's been a long road 
ahead and an
uphill battle, but it's been worth it.  The connections I've 
made, the
friends, I've made, the awesome people I've had the pleasure to 
help record
their music.  All worth the struggle and pain.  I do have a 
question though.
In a sighted world, how do you deal with (even in the blindness 
community)
how do you deal with people who try to rip you off? Since we 
can't read body
language and eye movements, how do you guys deal with this?



Thanks,

Aaron Linson

CEO Blind Faith Project 
<http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject

CEO Linson Productions



Aaron Linson



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From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 18 01:45:25 2017
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 01:45:25 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Filing discrimination complaint re NIU TVI program
 with US Department of Education
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I also may know someone who can help.
Regards,
Will


Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 17, 2017, at 05:44, Carlos Montas <carlos.montas at att.net> wrote:
> 
> Good morning  my name is Carlos Montas.  I am a vocational rehabilitation Counselor.  Please feel free to contact me off list.  I have a contact that may be able to assist you as your formal complaint moves through at ocr.  you can email me at carlos.montas at att.net  Sincerely,  Carlos Montas  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 17, 2017, at 2:54 AM, wmodnl wmodnl via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I would, you went to a TVI program, one that should accommodate this population better. To all:
>> Umass Boston has the best program, I guarantee it. Umass Boston is inclusive all over, you'll love it, come for a visit, bigly it's great, it's great, you know whad I mean. Those others are a horrible disaster and failing miserably. File, file, and then seek out The University Of Massachusetts At Boston for a great inclusive education. 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jan 17, 2017, at 01:24, Zachary N. GriegoDreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>>  Happy new year. I flew all day to Chicago's O'Hare airport the other day from home and was starting to question why I was even coming back to Illinois for another semester after the appaling grade I got in classes I mentioned as being challenging and unpassable due to facing discrimination against all blind students last semester (fall 2016) to you in an earlier email. I had a good long time to think about this as I got further and further away from home, having the question of my voc rehab counsellor and many others of why I didn't transfer to somewhere back home if I'm not going to graduate with what I want to think about, and thought that my best course of action was to just complete the major I switched to after my email to you all last year was sent, especially considering that I can graduate with vocational rehab services undergrad major at the end of the 2017 fall semester. I'm frankly not satisfied with this, because this was planned for down the road, I could accomplish this major at a school much nearer home in an undergraduate path, and I came thousands miles to do the TVI program and am now at this point not even going to graduate with an education credencial. One of my friends suggested the other day that I am within my right to file a complaint to the department of education because a programa for TVIS teachers of visually impaired should most definitelya be accessible. I did file a complaint locally with the school as you guys suggested, but I am highly unsatisfied with how slowly it's progressing and am also highly disappointed in my current situation of being steered off a path that I really wanted to pursue. Nobody else around here has complained or is doing anything about it so I am going to and nobody can now disuade me. I'm not in Illinois just for any program and this is really upsetting that I'm having to do this and that other blind students attending the same program in hopes of the same degree just ran off into the distance and said nothing of it. I'd much rather this not b!
>> ecome a legal issue so my friend said the department of ed route will do it and would be much less likely to result in lawyers getting involved. I'm also doing this to try and help, NOT to do a lawsuit. Once the complaint has been received by the department of ed will someone (or a group of people) in NFB be able to please provide representation to guide the school and/or department of ed to make the program accessible? I have hope of returning to this program is something is done about it before December which is my currently scheduled graduation date. Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my BrailleNote Touch
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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>> 
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> 


From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 18 01:46:23 2017
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 01:46:23 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Filing discrimination complaint re NIU TVI program
 with US Department of Education
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You can also file with DOJ and Office of Civil Rights, OCR.


Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 17, 2017, at 09:45, Cazares, Gabe via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Zach,
> 
> If you have already filed a grievance with your school and are not satisfied with the results of that process, filing a complaint with the Office for Civil Rights in the U.S. Department of Education is certainly another option that is available to you. However, it is important to keep in mind that if the school has not completed its internal investigation as a result of your grievance, OCR will defer to them until that process has been fully completed.
> 
> I am happy to chat with you off-list about things you can do to move the process along.
> 
> ...Gabe
> 
> Gabe Cazares
> (410) 659-9314 x 2206
> National Federation of the Blind
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Montas via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 5:44 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Carlos Montas; iabs-talk at nfbnet.org; il-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Filing discrimination complaint re NIU TVI program with US Department of Education
> 
> Good morning  my name is Carlos Montas.  I am a vocational rehabilitation Counselor.  Please feel free to contact me off list.  I have a contact that may be able to assist you as your formal complaint moves through at ocr.  you can email me at carlos.montas at att.net  Sincerely,  Carlos Montas  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 17, 2017, at 2:54 AM, wmodnl wmodnl via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I would, you went to a TVI program, one that should accommodate this population better. To all:
>> Umass Boston has the best program, I guarantee it. Umass Boston is inclusive all over, you'll love it, come for a visit, bigly it's great, it's great, you know whad I mean. Those others are a horrible disaster and failing miserably. File, file, and then seek out The University Of Massachusetts At Boston for a great inclusive education. 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jan 17, 2017, at 01:24, Zachary N. GriegoDreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>>  Happy new year. I flew all day to Chicago's O'Hare airport the other day from home and was starting to question why I was even coming back to Illinois for another semester after the appaling grade I got in classes I mentioned as being challenging and unpassable due to facing discrimination against all blind students last semester (fall 2016) to you in an earlier email. I had a good long time to think about this as I got further and further away from home, having the question of my voc rehab counsellor and many others of why I didn't transfer to somewhere back home if I'm not going to graduate with what I want to think about, and thought that my best course of action was to just complete the major I switched to after my email to you all last year was sent, especially considering that I can graduate with vocational rehab services undergrad major at the end of the 2017 fall semester. I'm frankly not satisfied with this, because this was planned for down the road, I could accomplish this major at a school much nearer home in an undergraduate path, and I came thousands miles to do the TVI program and am now at this point not even going to graduate with an education credencial. One of my friends suggested the other day that I am within my right to file a complaint to the department of education because a programa for TVIS teachers of visually impaired should most definitelya be accessible. I did file a complaint locally with the school as you guys suggested, but I am highly unsatisfied with how slowly it's progressing and am also highly disappointed in my current situation of being steered off a path that I really wanted to pursue. Nobody else around here has complained or is doing anything about it so I am going to and nobody can now disuade me. I'm not in Illinois just for any program and this is really upsetting that I'm having to do this and that other blind students attending the same program in hopes of the same degree just ran off into the distance and said nothing of it. I'd much rather this not b!
>> ecome a legal issue so my friend said the department of ed route will do it and would be much less likely to result in lawyers getting involved. I'm also doing this to try and help, NOT to do a lawsuit. Once the complaint has been received by the department of ed will someone (or a group of people) in NFB be able to please provide representation to guide the school and/or department of ed to make the program accessible? I have hope of returning to this program is something is done about it before December which is my currently scheduled graduation date. Thanks.
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From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 02:28:05 2017
From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 21:28:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] an update and question
In-Reply-To: <587e9ac4.ce0f620a.5d7b9.ae59@mx.google.com>
References: <587e9ac4.ce0f620a.5d7b9.ae59@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <01ca01d27132$803de850$80b9b8f0$@gmail.com>

I mean in the sense of both. I had a client I was working with and he talked
me down in price because he said he was blind and didn't have the money
right now. I understand about not having money been there done that,
however, I shouldn't go down in price just because someone is blind. Or am I
seeing that wrong? I mean, I'm blind and I don't let that stop me. There
were some other issues like integrity and communication on his part.
However, I still feel that my price was accurate for the work being done.
Any opinions? I can expand if need be to bring more clarification, just want
to see what others thin,. 

Thanks,
Aaron Linson 
CEO Blind Faith Project
CEO Linson Productions

Aaron Linson 


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 5:29 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] an update and question

Hi Aaron,
Do you mean ripping off in the sense of money or of people trying to trick
you?
If money-related, then you can use Money-Reader on the phone to make sure
that you have the right amount.  If I have 1 5-dollar bill and 4 1's, I like
to ask "Which one is the 5?"
In social situations, though, if you think someone is tricking you then
maybe you can tell by their tone of voice and, if they're with their
friends, probably whispering and snickering.
Vejas



 ----- Original Message -----
From: Aaron via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 16:15:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] an update and question

Hey guys,

I know I haven't been on this list posting a lot.  For that I do apologize.
However, I wanted to let you all know that college is worth it.  
I am 4
months out from graduating with my BS in Music with a concentration in audio
production and minor in communications.  It's been a long road ahead and an
uphill battle, but it's been worth it.  The connections I've made, the
friends, I've made, the awesome people I've had the pleasure to help record
their music.  All worth the struggle and pain.  I do have a question though.
In a sighted world, how do you deal with (even in the blindness
community)
how do you deal with people who try to rip you off? Since we can't read body
language and eye movements, how do you guys deal with this?



Thanks,

Aaron Linson

CEO Blind Faith Project
<http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject

CEO Linson Productions



Aaron Linson



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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 03:34:11 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 22:34:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] an update and question
In-Reply-To: <01ca01d27132$803de850$80b9b8f0$@gmail.com>
References: <587e9ac4.ce0f620a.5d7b9.ae59@mx.google.com>
	<01ca01d27132$803de850$80b9b8f0$@gmail.com>
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No, you don't go down in price because he's blind.  Your prices are your
prices due to your knowledge and skill and of course, time.  Now, if y ou
are in the habbit of working with people, you can let him think that his
blindness helped him if you want to, but you should only go donw in price if
you do so, for whatever reaon you choose to use.
 Justin

-----Original Message-----
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NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 9:28 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
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Cc: Aaron <blindgeek1989 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] an update and question

I mean in the sense of both. I had a client I was working with and he talked
me down in price because he said he was blind and didn't have the money
right now. I understand about not having money been there done that,
however, I shouldn't go down in price just because someone is blind. Or am I
seeing that wrong? I mean, I'm blind and I don't let that stop me. There
were some other issues like integrity and communication on his part.
However, I still feel that my price was accurate for the work being done.
Any opinions? I can expand if need be to bring more clarification, just want
to see what others thin,. 

Thanks,
Aaron Linson
CEO Blind Faith Project
CEO Linson Productions

Aaron Linson 


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 5:29 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] an update and question

Hi Aaron,
Do you mean ripping off in the sense of money or of people trying to trick
you?
If money-related, then you can use Money-Reader on the phone to make sure
that you have the right amount.  If I have 1 5-dollar bill and 4 1's, I like
to ask "Which one is the 5?"
In social situations, though, if you think someone is tricking you then
maybe you can tell by their tone of voice and, if they're with their
friends, probably whispering and snickering.
Vejas



 ----- Original Message -----
From: Aaron via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 16:15:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] an update and question

Hey guys,

I know I haven't been on this list posting a lot.  For that I do apologize.
However, I wanted to let you all know that college is worth it.  
I am 4
months out from graduating with my BS in Music with a concentration in audio
production and minor in communications.  It's been a long road ahead and an
uphill battle, but it's been worth it.  The connections I've made, the
friends, I've made, the awesome people I've had the pleasure to help record
their music.  All worth the struggle and pain.  I do have a question though.
In a sighted world, how do you deal with (even in the blindness
community)
how do you deal with people who try to rip you off? Since we can't read body
language and eye movements, how do you guys deal with this?



Thanks,

Aaron Linson

CEO Blind Faith Project
<http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject

CEO Linson Productions



Aaron Linson



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From spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 18 14:19:59 2017
From: spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net (Jen)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 09:19:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] an update and question
In-Reply-To: <01ca01d27132$803de850$80b9b8f0$@gmail.com>
References: <587e9ac4.ce0f620a.5d7b9.ae59@mx.google.com>
	<01ca01d27132$803de850$80b9b8f0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000b01d27195$f49b4d10$ddd1e730$@sbcglobal.net>

I think your opinion is correct. Integrity is important, even if you're
sighted.

-----Original Message-----

From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron via
NABS-L

Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 9:28 PM

To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>

Cc: Aaron <blindgeek1989 at gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [nabs-l] an update and question

I mean in the sense of both. I had a client I was working with, and he
talked me down in price because he said he was blind and didn't have the
money right now. I understand about not having money, been there, done that;
however, I shouldn't go down in price just because someone is blind, Or am I
seeing that wrong? I mean, I'm blind, and I don't let that stop me. There
were some other issues, like integrity and communication on his part;
however, I still feel my price was accurate for the work being done. Any
opinions? I can expand, if need be, to bring more clarification, just want
to see what others think.

Thanks,
Aaron Linson 
CEO Blind Faith Project
CEO Linson Productions

Aaron Linson 


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 5:29 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] an update and question

Hi Aaron,
Do you mean ripping off in the sense of money or of people trying to trick
you?
If money-related, then you can use Money-Reader on the phone to make sure
that you have the right amount.  If I have 1 5-dollar bill and 4 1's, I like
to ask "Which one is the 5?"
In social situations, though, if you think someone is tricking you then
maybe you can tell by their tone of voice and, if they're with their
friends, probably whispering and snickering.
Vejas



 ----- Original Message -----
From: Aaron via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 16:15:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] an update and question

Hey guys,

I know I haven't been on this list posting a lot.  For that I do apologize.
However, I wanted to let you all know that college is worth it.  
I am 4
months out from graduating with my BS in Music with a concentration in audio
production and minor in communications.  It's been a long road ahead and an
uphill battle, but it's been worth it.  The connections I've made, the
friends, I've made, the awesome people I've had the pleasure to help record
their music.  All worth the struggle and pain.  I do have a question though.
In a sighted world, how do you deal with (even in the blindness
community)
how do you deal with people who try to rip you off? Since we can't read body
language and eye movements, how do you guys deal with this?



Thanks,

Aaron Linson

CEO Blind Faith Project
<http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject

CEO Linson Productions



Aaron Linson



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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 14:33:52 2017
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 09:33:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] volunteer job experiences?
Message-ID: <587f7cf9.50ae810a.66dc1.0d14@mx.google.com>

No you are not too young for a volunteer job experience.  I have 
done lots of volunteer work throughout my college career.  From 
March through August of 2014 I was a tech ranger at the Center 
For Distributed Learning on the UCF campus.  I evaluated the 
online courses before they were published to ensure that they 
were accessible for students with disabilities.  For the past two 
semesters I assisted with the closed captioning duties at W UCF 
Tv, This involved transcribing the local audio content from the 
videos of the shows produced at the station.  W UCF Tv is a 
public broadcasting television station owned and operated by the 
University of Central Florida.


From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 17:08:36 2017
From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 12:08:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] volunteer job experiences?
In-Reply-To: <587f7cf9.50ae810a.66dc1.0d14@mx.google.com>
References: <587f7cf9.50ae810a.66dc1.0d14@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <023a01d271ad$8219de60$864d9b20$@gmail.com>

You are never too young to volunteer anywhere. Go for it!

Thanks,
Aaron Linson 
CEO Blind Faith Project
CEO Linson Productions

Aaron Linson 


-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] volunteer job experiences?

No you are not too young for a volunteer job experience.  I have done lots
of volunteer work throughout my college career.  From March through August
of 2014 I was a tech ranger at the Center For Distributed Learning on the
UCF campus.  I evaluated the online courses before they were published to
ensure that they were accessible for students with disabilities.  For the
past two semesters I assisted with the closed captioning duties at W UCF Tv,
This involved transcribing the local audio content from the videos of the
shows produced at the station.  W UCF Tv is a public broadcasting television
station owned and operated by the University of Central Florida.

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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 19:39:56 2017
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster, NABS President)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 14:39:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Spot: A Matter of Perception Exhibition at Massillon
 Museum
In-Reply-To: <CANadB0bZq2M1RoDpesCFnVLfOi-2oyXrqbBkTurb-E0y_TgDzA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANadB0bZq2M1RoDpesCFnVLfOi-2oyXrqbBkTurb-E0y_TgDzA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01f801d271c2$a6507310$f2f15930$@gmail.com>

All,

 

The Massillon Museum is honored to share information about the upcoming exhibition, Blind Spot: A Matter of Perception, which will be on view at the Massillon Museum in Massillon, Ohio, from February 18 to May 23, 2017.  Attached to this email please find a digital media kit for the exhibition.  

 

For more information about the exhibition and its related programming, please contact Curator Heather Haden via email (hhaden at massillonmuseum.org <mailto:hhaden at massillonmuseum.org> ) or phone (330-833-4061 x 112). 

 

Sincerely, 

 

The Blind Spot: A Matter of Perception Project Team

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From Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu  Wed Jan 18 21:30:54 2017
From: Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte (Student))
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 21:30:54 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Blog Post for January
Message-ID: <8ADAC270-4314-4A58-B0C8-21844D243831@mainex1.asu.edu>

Greetings NABS,

This month we are featuring a blog written by Kristen Boyle who is a graduate student studying experimental psychology at Saint Joseph’s University in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Along with being the typical Netflix-watching, coffee consuming, study abroad adventure-taking college student, she is also legally blind. Kristen did not allow her fears, struggles, or limited vision keep her from pursuing her passion. Please join with me in reading this months blog.

If you have any questions or comments please reach out to me at:
bjduarte at asu.edu<mailto:bjduarte at asu.eduv>

http://nabslink.org/content/allow-your-passion-lead-way

Bryan Duarte software engineer
ASU Computer Science Ph.D Student
National Association of Blind Students | Board Member
Arizona Association of Blind Students | President
QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/

“let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.”
-- St. Teresa of Avila


From zdreicer at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 04:34:22 2017
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 22:34:22 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Discrimination at workplace  and how to deal  with it
Message-ID: <85949A96-803A-46AB-B8CF-7BF1C1C209E4@gmail.com>

Hi, thank you for your responses to my initial discrimination question, I definitely feel that this paragraph I received via email from one of my managers last week at The dining hall where I work disallows  me from performing jobs that many other student employees are responsible for, leaving me always with the dishes. I really like the people I work with and would rather not relocate even if it's to another dining hall because this dining hall is right near my residence hall at school. One of my friends that works with me has talked with me about this and thinks that the managers have not dealt with very many people with disabilities before, but this university is an equal opportunity employer which does not discriminate based on anything… Or so they  claim. I've tried approaching this particular manager as well as others to discuss both in person and in  email, but getting pretty much the same response as below. Additionally, I realize that people at my school would be obligated to file an additional title IX complaint or whatever complaint this would be   with the affirmative action because of this if it was gotten ahold of, which means that I would be involved in 2   title IX complaint simultaneously. I really enjoy working at the dining hall to, and would rather not move. How do you guys think would be the best way to resolve this so I can remain employed there but with the ability to work at different stations other than the dishes? The paragraph reads as follows (Employee names I edited out):
Zach, while we all know you are very capable, we do not have other positions we are comfortable putting you in. We understand you worked with someone else at Dining room attendant one night, which is great as extra help but we can’t have someone chauffeuring you around the entire shift. Similarly, with the positions as cooks assistants much of these jobs are not supervised and require a lot of moving around and dealing with dangerous materials. If you want to continue working here your shifts will continue to be in the dish room.

Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver

From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 19 15:05:07 2017
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 15:05:07 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Discrimination at workplace  and how to deal  with it
In-Reply-To: <85949A96-803A-46AB-B8CF-7BF1C1C209E4@gmail.com>
References: <85949A96-803A-46AB-B8CF-7BF1C1C209E4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CY4PR10MB1669FD3E33323F36E5DA0C6DDC7E0@CY4PR10MB1669.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

I am going to comment here using the limited information availible to me.
That was probably written by a student intern or someone not in proper authority, *(or at least it appears to look like that)*. I think, you should setup a meeting with someone like a supervisor, or the schools 504 coordinator. 
I hate to say it folks but, we are in for a more uphill battle as a community, especially after the events this Friday because America chose to be regressive not progressive with the new fascist dictator they chose. Take advantage of your civil rights while they are still here. The new educational coordinator appears to know little or nothing about 504, ADA, Idea, etc. Sorry for the rant but, I think you get the bigger picture. As a community and organization, the fights are long from over if anything, they are going to be more harder than they ever were before.



Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 18, 2017, at 23:35, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi, thank you for your responses to my initial discrimination question, I definitely feel that this paragraph I received via email from one of my managers last week at The dining hall where I work disallows  me from performing jobs that many other student employees are responsible for, leaving me always with the dishes. I really like the people I work with and would rather not relocate even if it's to another dining hall because this dining hall is right near my residence hall at school. One of my friends that works with me has talked with me about this and thinks that the managers have not dealt with very many people with disabilities before, but this university is an equal opportunity employer which does not discriminate based on anything… Or so they  claim. I've tried approaching this particular manager as well as others to discuss both in person and in  email, but getting pretty much the same response as below. Additionally, I realize that people at my school would be obligated to file an additional title IX complaint or whatever complaint this would be   with the affirmative action because of this if it was gotten ahold of, which means that I would be involved in 2   title IX complaint simultaneously. I really enjoy working at the dining hall to, and would rather not move. How do you guys think would be the best way to resolve this so I can remain employed there but with the ability to work at different stations other than the dishes? The paragraph reads as follows (Employee names I edited out):
> Zach, while we all know you are very capable, we do not have other positions we are comfortable putting you in. We understand you worked with someone else at Dining room attendant one night, which is great as extra help but we can’t have someone chauffeuring you around the entire shift. Similarly, with the positions as cooks assistants much of these jobs are not supervised and require a lot of moving around and dealing with dangerous materials. If you want to continue working here your shifts will continue to be in the dish room.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
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From johnniejduran at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 16:08:06 2017
From: johnniejduran at gmail.com (johnnie Jean duran)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 09:08:06 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Discrimination at workplace and how to deal with it
In-Reply-To: <85949A96-803A-46AB-B8CF-7BF1C1C209E4@gmail.com>
References: <85949A96-803A-46AB-B8CF-7BF1C1C209E4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOiA0SsDL+XEqp0xk2i+Nin_+Vz5Ud5jxUW64VLJHyv-PSU=0Q@mail.gmail.com>

I wasn't given quite enough information to thoroughly examine the
situation. Although this is absolutely NOT ok, under any circumstance.
it's important to remember that when dealing with schools/colleges,
that they are not willing to be responsible for any incident that
takes place within their facilities. They have difficulties letting
students with total vision complete these jobs, so of course they are
absolutely terrified when they see a student with a visual impairment
coming in. Once again, this isn't ok, but at the end of the day,
whether they are an equal opportunity employer or not, they will not
do anything that has a possible outcome of a  lawsuit or a hospital
bill. But before I can give you my opinion on how the situation should
be handled, I have several questions for you:
1. Are there any possible safety hazards regarding the dish room that
you can think of, just off the top of your head?
2. Do the other students switch jobs often?
3. If yes, how does the system of who does what work?
3. What are some of the other jobs and responsibilities?
4. Do you know the dining hall well enough so that someone doesn't
have to navegate around it with you for the entire shift? (I'm pretty
sure the answer to this is yes, but I just thought I'd ask)

On 1/18/17, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi, thank you for your responses to my initial discrimination question, I
> definitely feel that this paragraph I received via email from one of my
> managers last week at The dining hall where I work disallows  me from
> performing jobs that many other student employees are responsible for,
> leaving me always with the dishes. I really like the people I work with and
> would rather not relocate even if it's to another dining hall because this
> dining hall is right near my residence hall at school. One of my friends
> that works with me has talked with me about this and thinks that the
> managers have not dealt with very many people with disabilities before, but
> this university is an equal opportunity employer which does not discriminate
> based on anything… Or so they  claim. I've tried approaching this particular
> manager as well as others to discuss both in person and in  email, but
> getting pretty much the same response as below. Additionally, I realize that
> people at my school would be obligated to file an additional title IX
> complaint or whatever complaint this would be   with the affirmative action
> because of this if it was gotten ahold of, which means that I would be
> involved in 2   title IX complaint simultaneously. I really enjoy working at
> the dining hall to, and would rather not move. How do you guys think would
> be the best way to resolve this so I can remain employed there but with the
> ability to work at different stations other than the dishes? The paragraph
> reads as follows (Employee names I edited out):
> Zach, while we all know you are very capable, we do not have other positions
> we are comfortable putting you in. We understand you worked with someone
> else at Dining room attendant one night, which is great as extra help but we
> can’t have someone chauffeuring you around the entire shift. Similarly, with
> the positions as cooks assistants much of these jobs are not supervised and
> require a lot of moving around and dealing with dangerous materials. If you
> want to continue working here your shifts will continue to be in the dish
> room.
>
> Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
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From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 16:50:26 2017
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 11:50:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Discouraged in class
Message-ID: <3C59B651-BD45-4BD2-A940-94C236EB327F@gmail.com>



Hello,
How do you not get discouraged in college when all of your teachers have never worked with a blind person before. Also summer break is around the corner and i have no clue how to keep myself busy. I don't have many classes left so i was planning on not taking summer classes.

Please help!
 Shikha. 

From sgermano at asu.edu  Thu Jan 19 16:57:01 2017
From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 10:57:01 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Discouraged in class
In-Reply-To: <3C59B651-BD45-4BD2-A940-94C236EB327F@gmail.com>
References: <3C59B651-BD45-4BD2-A940-94C236EB327F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAF=_avepVYQMgh5eSNGn_8AQrkR52Wi_PvCn3O+cQCL3j01ibg@mail.gmail.com>

Do a summer internship. That is how I had a full time job lined up upon
graduation. You need to look now. Man internships are already filled by
Nov-Dec.

Suzanne

On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 10:50 AM, Shikha via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

>
>
> Hello,
> How do you not get discouraged in college when all of your teachers have
> never worked with a blind person before. Also summer break is around the
> corner and i have no clue how to keep myself busy. I don't have many
> classes left so i was planning on not taking summer classes.
>
> Please help!
>  Shikha.
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From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 17:21:32 2017
From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 12:21:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Discouraged in class
In-Reply-To: <CAF=_avepVYQMgh5eSNGn_8AQrkR52Wi_PvCn3O+cQCL3j01ibg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3C59B651-BD45-4BD2-A940-94C236EB327F@gmail.com>
	<CAF=_avepVYQMgh5eSNGn_8AQrkR52Wi_PvCn3O+cQCL3j01ibg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000801d27278$7b2a2fd0$717e8f70$@gmail.com>

Also, if none of your professors have worked with a blind student before
show them that it is possible. Go in with a good attitude and achieve
everything that is thrown at you. Always be positive and know your rights
and accommodations. 

Thanks,
Aaron Linson 
CEO Blind Faith Project
CEO Linson Productions

Aaron Linson 

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne Germano
via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 11:57 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Suzanne Germano <sgermano at asu.edu>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Discouraged in class

Do a summer internship. That is how I had a full time job lined up upon
graduation. You need to look now. Man internships are already filled by
Nov-Dec.

Suzanne

On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 10:50 AM, Shikha via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

>
>
> Hello,
> How do you not get discouraged in college when all of your teachers 
> have never worked with a blind person before. Also summer break is 
> around the corner and i have no clue how to keep myself busy. I don't 
> have many classes left so i was planning on not taking summer classes.
>
> Please help!
>  Shikha.
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From zdreicer at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 17:23:21 2017
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 11:23:21 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Discouraged in class
In-Reply-To: <3C59B651-BD45-4BD2-A940-94C236EB327F@gmail.com>
References: <3C59B651-BD45-4BD2-A940-94C236EB327F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EB06DEBD-ED09-4AD8-A959-7459C09A2616@gmail.com>

I would just explain to each instructor your situation and tell them how they can best help you.

Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver

> On Jan 19, 2017, at 10:50, Shikha via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hello,
> How do you not get discouraged in college when all of your teachers have never worked with a blind person before. Also summer break is around the corner and i have no clue how to keep myself busy. I don't have many classes left so i was planning on not taking summer classes.
> 
> Please help!
> Shikha. 
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From zdreicer at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 18:56:48 2017
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 12:56:48 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Discrimination at workplace and how to deal with it
In-Reply-To: <CAOiA0SsDL+XEqp0xk2i+Nin_+Vz5Ud5jxUW64VLJHyv-PSU=0Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <85949A96-803A-46AB-B8CF-7BF1C1C209E4@gmail.com>
	<CAOiA0SsDL+XEqp0xk2i+Nin_+Vz5Ud5jxUW64VLJHyv-PSU=0Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8010BA25-0621-4EC9-B232-E2025A1CF2E8@gmail.com>

Hi JJ nice to hear from you! Hope your semester has started out well.
   Students are given most of the jobs of the dining hall actually. They are given anything from dish room to server at many stations or chef’s assistant or are placed on the salad station etc. Some students apply to be in the position of manager so they oversee the other students and help out where necessary. The text I copied and pasted was from 1 such student, who also deals with employment of all students.   The dish room doesn’t have very many challenges, and given the right training any student regardless of disability can work any station (Managers do training for other employees who are students. I know the dining hall like the back of my hand and would only need training to work at each station. ) 
Sent from my Macbook Pro 13

> On Jan 19, 2017, at 10:08, johnnie Jean duran <johnniejduran at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I wasn't given quite enough information to thoroughly examine the
> situation. Although this is absolutely NOT ok, under any circumstance.
> it's important to remember that when dealing with schools/colleges,
> that they are not willing to be responsible for any incident that
> takes place within their facilities. They have difficulties letting
> students with total vision complete these jobs, so of course they are
> absolutely terrified when they see a student with a visual impairment
> coming in. Once again, this isn't ok, but at the end of the day,
> whether they are an equal opportunity employer or not, they will not
> do anything that has a possible outcome of a  lawsuit or a hospital
> bill. But before I can give you my opinion on how the situation should
> be handled, I have several questions for you:
> 1. Are there any possible safety hazards regarding the dish room that
> you can think of, just off the top of your head?
> 2. Do the other students switch jobs often?
> 3. If yes, how does the system of who does what work?
> 3. What are some of the other jobs and responsibilities?
> 4. Do you know the dining hall well enough so that someone doesn't
> have to navegate around it with you for the entire shift? (I'm pretty
> sure the answer to this is yes, but I just thought I'd ask)
> 
> On 1/18/17, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi, thank you for your responses to my initial discrimination question, I
>> definitely feel that this paragraph I received via email from one of my
>> managers last week at The dining hall where I work disallows  me from
>> performing jobs that many other student employees are responsible for,
>> leaving me always with the dishes. I really like the people I work with and
>> would rather not relocate even if it's to another dining hall because this
>> dining hall is right near my residence hall at school. One of my friends
>> that works with me has talked with me about this and thinks that the
>> managers have not dealt with very many people with disabilities before, but
>> this university is an equal opportunity employer which does not discriminate
>> based on anything… Or so they  claim. I've tried approaching this particular
>> manager as well as others to discuss both in person and in  email, but
>> getting pretty much the same response as below. Additionally, I realize that
>> people at my school would be obligated to file an additional title IX
>> complaint or whatever complaint this would be   with the affirmative action
>> because of this if it was gotten ahold of, which means that I would be
>> involved in 2   title IX complaint simultaneously. I really enjoy working at
>> the dining hall to, and would rather not move. How do you guys think would
>> be the best way to resolve this so I can remain employed there but with the
>> ability to work at different stations other than the dishes? The paragraph
>> reads as follows (Employee names I edited out):
>> Zach, while we all know you are very capable, we do not have other positions
>> we are comfortable putting you in. We understand you worked with someone
>> else at Dining room attendant one night, which is great as extra help but we
>> can’t have someone chauffeuring you around the entire shift. Similarly, with
>> the positions as cooks assistants much of these jobs are not supervised and
>> require a lot of moving around and dealing with dangerous materials. If you
>> want to continue working here your shifts will continue to be in the dish
>> room.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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> http://www.gofundme.com/jjd-grad-fund
> Secretary
> North Metro Chapter
> http://www.facebook.com/northmetrochapter
> &
> Secretary
> Colorado Association of Blind Students (CABS)
> http://www.facebook.com/cobs2014
> http://www.twitter.com/cabslink
> National Federation of the Blind of Colorado (NFBCO)
> http://www.nfbco.org
> 11th Grade
> John F. Kennedy High School
> Denver, Colorado
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/missjjd99
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/miss_jjd
> Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/miss_jjd



From alana.leonhardy at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 20:28:37 2017
From: alana.leonhardy at gmail.com (Alana Leonhardy)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 12:28:37 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Discrimination at workplace and how to deal with it
In-Reply-To: <8010BA25-0621-4EC9-B232-E2025A1CF2E8@gmail.com>
References: <85949A96-803A-46AB-B8CF-7BF1C1C209E4@gmail.com>
	<CAOiA0SsDL+XEqp0xk2i+Nin_+Vz5Ud5jxUW64VLJHyv-PSU=0Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<8010BA25-0621-4EC9-B232-E2025A1CF2E8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B3A29C8-E739-4B20-940B-394281E8E8BD@gmail.com>

Hello there,
If you don't want to file a Title IX complaint, I can thino of a few things you could do instead. The email this student sent you basically says that if you want to continue working where you are working, you have no choice but to do nothing but dishes, even though other students can do other things. You could forward a copy of that email to the student's supervisor with an explanetory message of your own,, depending upon how your relationship with your disability support services is you could talk to them, I don't know what department in the university the dining room staff falls under, but you could contact the dean of students since this is a fellow university student as well as a university employee. Your university should have an ombutsman, who you can talk to about this without having to file an official complaint, this person will obviously have a better idea of how things are organized and who you need to talk to than I do. Whatever you choose to do, the email that you have recieved is damning and should be quite useful for you, hold on to it as well as any further communications you receive on this matter. 
Alana 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 19, 2017, at 10:56, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi JJ nice to hear from you! Hope your semester has started out well.
>   Students are given most of the jobs of the dining hall actually. They are given anything from dish room to server at many stations or chef’s assistant or are placed on the salad station etc. Some students apply to be in the position of manager so they oversee the other students and help out where necessary. The text I copied and pasted was from 1 such student, who also deals with employment of all students.   The dish room doesn’t have very many challenges, and given the right training any student regardless of disability can work any station (Managers do training for other employees who are students. I know the dining hall like the back of my hand and would only need training to work at each station. ) 
> Sent from my Macbook Pro 13
> 
>> On Jan 19, 2017, at 10:08, johnnie Jean duran <johnniejduran at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I wasn't given quite enough information to thoroughly examine the
>> situation. Although this is absolutely NOT ok, under any circumstance.
>> it's important to remember that when dealing with schools/colleges,
>> that they are not willing to be responsible for any incident that
>> takes place within their facilities. They have difficulties letting
>> students with total vision complete these jobs, so of course they are
>> absolutely terrified when they see a student with a visual impairment
>> coming in. Once again, this isn't ok, but at the end of the day,
>> whether they are an equal opportunity employer or not, they will not
>> do anything that has a possible outcome of a  lawsuit or a hospital
>> bill. But before I can give you my opinion on how the situation should
>> be handled, I have several questions for you:
>> 1. Are there any possible safety hazards regarding the dish room that
>> you can think of, just off the top of your head?
>> 2. Do the other students switch jobs often?
>> 3. If yes, how does the system of who does what work?
>> 3. What are some of the other jobs and responsibilities?
>> 4. Do you know the dining hall well enough so that someone doesn't
>> have to navegate around it with you for the entire shift? (I'm pretty
>> sure the answer to this is yes, but I just thought I'd ask)
>> 
>>> On 1/18/17, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi, thank you for your responses to my initial discrimination question, I
>>> definitely feel that this paragraph I received via email from one of my
>>> managers last week at The dining hall where I work disallows  me from
>>> performing jobs that many other student employees are responsible for,
>>> leaving me always with the dishes. I really like the people I work with and
>>> would rather not relocate even if it's to another dining hall because this
>>> dining hall is right near my residence hall at school. One of my friends
>>> that works with me has talked with me about this and thinks that the
>>> managers have not dealt with very many people with disabilities before, but
>>> this university is an equal opportunity employer which does not discriminate
>>> based on anything… Or so they  claim. I've tried approaching this particular
>>> manager as well as others to discuss both in person and in  email, but
>>> getting pretty much the same response as below. Additionally, I realize that
>>> people at my school would be obligated to file an additional title IX
>>> complaint or whatever complaint this would be   with the affirmative action
>>> because of this if it was gotten ahold of, which means that I would be
>>> involved in 2   title IX complaint simultaneously. I really enjoy working at
>>> the dining hall to, and would rather not move. How do you guys think would
>>> be the best way to resolve this so I can remain employed there but with the
>>> ability to work at different stations other than the dishes? The paragraph
>>> reads as follows (Employee names I edited out):
>>> Zach, while we all know you are very capable, we do not have other positions
>>> we are comfortable putting you in. We understand you worked with someone
>>> else at Dining room attendant one night, which is great as extra help but we
>>> can’t have someone chauffeuring you around the entire shift. Similarly, with
>>> the positions as cooks assistants much of these jobs are not supervised and
>>> require a lot of moving around and dealing with dangerous materials. If you
>>> want to continue working here your shifts will continue to be in the dish
>>> room.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> NABS-L:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/johnniejduran%40gmail.com
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran
>> http://www.gofundme.com/jjd-grad-fund
>> Secretary
>> North Metro Chapter
>> http://www.facebook.com/northmetrochapter
>> &
>> Secretary
>> Colorado Association of Blind Students (CABS)
>> http://www.facebook.com/cobs2014
>> http://www.twitter.com/cabslink
>> National Federation of the Blind of Colorado (NFBCO)
>> http://www.nfbco.org
>> 11th Grade
>> John F. Kennedy High School
>> Denver, Colorado
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/missjjd99
>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/miss_jjd
>> Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/miss_jjd
> 
> 
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 23:44:37 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 15:44:37 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] DSS Question
Message-ID: <58814f6f.1670630a.c823b.21fd@mx.google.com>

Hi All,
I was just curious of other peoples' schools' DSS policies 
relating to this.
Whenever I want to take a test or quiz in the DSS office (which I 
will do for math), I need to have the teacher fill out a 
proctoring form.  The form always has to be turned in 7 days 
before the exam, except for finals, which are 14 days.  This just 
seems like a very long time to me.  I understand that the staff 
have other things to do also, but normally if I ever need to come 
in to discuss a worksheet all I would have to do is email them 
the day of or the night before.
Anyone else have a similar policy?
Vejas


From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 00:04:19 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 19:04:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Discrimination at workplace and how to deal with it
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That was a rude e-mail.  It could have just been an ignorant supervisor and
not a student, but I don't know.  Do you know for sure that was a student?
Either way, is discriminatory and demeaning.  Now, if reasonable
accommodations have been made to their fullest extent, and no more can be
made for you to do another job, then they have to show that. 

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From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alana Leonhardy
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Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 3:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Discrimination at workplace and how to deal with it

Hello there,
If you don't want to file a Title IX complaint, I can thino of a few things
you could do instead. The email this student sent you basically says that if
you want to continue working where you are working, you have no choice but
to do nothing but dishes, even though other students can do other things.
You could forward a copy of that email to the student's supervisor with an
explanetory message of your own,, depending upon how your relationship with
your disability support services is you could talk to them, I don't know
what department in the university the dining room staff falls under, but you
could contact the dean of students since this is a fellow university student
as well as a university employee. Your university should have an ombutsman,
who you can talk to about this without having to file an official complaint,
this person will obviously have a better idea of how things are organized
and who you need to talk to than I do. Whatever you choose to do, the email
that you have recieved is damning and should be quite useful for you, hold
on to it as well as any further communications you receive on this matter. 
Alana 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 19, 2017, at 10:56, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi JJ nice to hear from you! Hope your semester has started out well.
>   Students are given most of the jobs of the dining hall actually. They
are given anything from dish room to server at many stations or chef's
assistant or are placed on the salad station etc. Some students apply to be
in the position of manager so they oversee the other students and help out
where necessary. The text I copied and pasted was from 1 such student, who
also deals with employment of all students.   The dish room doesn't have
very many challenges, and given the right training any student regardless of
disability can work any station (Managers do training for other employees
who are students. I know the dining hall like the back of my hand and would
only need training to work at each station. ) 
> Sent from my Macbook Pro 13
> 
>> On Jan 19, 2017, at 10:08, johnnie Jean duran <johnniejduran at gmail.com>
wrote:
>> 
>> I wasn't given quite enough information to thoroughly examine the 
>> situation. Although this is absolutely NOT ok, under any circumstance.
>> it's important to remember that when dealing with schools/colleges, 
>> that they are not willing to be responsible for any incident that 
>> takes place within their facilities. They have difficulties letting 
>> students with total vision complete these jobs, so of course they are 
>> absolutely terrified when they see a student with a visual impairment 
>> coming in. Once again, this isn't ok, but at the end of the day, 
>> whether they are an equal opportunity employer or not, they will not 
>> do anything that has a possible outcome of a  lawsuit or a hospital 
>> bill. But before I can give you my opinion on how the situation 
>> should be handled, I have several questions for you:
>> 1. Are there any possible safety hazards regarding the dish room that 
>> you can think of, just off the top of your head?
>> 2. Do the other students switch jobs often?
>> 3. If yes, how does the system of who does what work?
>> 3. What are some of the other jobs and responsibilities?
>> 4. Do you know the dining hall well enough so that someone doesn't 
>> have to navegate around it with you for the entire shift? (I'm pretty 
>> sure the answer to this is yes, but I just thought I'd ask)
>> 
>>> On 1/18/17, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>>> Hi, thank you for your responses to my initial discrimination 
>>> question, I definitely feel that this paragraph I received via email 
>>> from one of my managers last week at The dining hall where I work 
>>> disallows  me from performing jobs that many other student employees 
>>> are responsible for, leaving me always with the dishes. I really 
>>> like the people I work with and would rather not relocate even if 
>>> it's to another dining hall because this dining hall is right near 
>>> my residence hall at school. One of my friends that works with me 
>>> has talked with me about this and thinks that the managers have not 
>>> dealt with very many people with disabilities before, but this 
>>> university is an equal opportunity employer which does not 
>>> discriminate based on anything. Or so they  claim. I've tried 
>>> approaching this particular manager as well as others to discuss 
>>> both in person and in  email, but getting pretty much the same response
as below. Additionally, I realize that people at my school would be
obligated to file an additional title IX
>>> complaint or whatever complaint this would be   with the affirmative
action
>>> because of this if it was gotten ahold of, which means that I would be
>>> involved in 2   title IX complaint simultaneously. I really enjoy
working at
>>> the dining hall to, and would rather not move. How do you guys think 
>>> would be the best way to resolve this so I can remain employed there 
>>> but with the ability to work at different stations other than the 
>>> dishes? The paragraph reads as follows (Employee names I edited out):
>>> Zach, while we all know you are very capable, we do not have other 
>>> positions we are comfortable putting you in. We understand you 
>>> worked with someone else at Dining room attendant one night, which 
>>> is great as extra help but we can't have someone chauffeuring you 
>>> around the entire shift. Similarly, with the positions as cooks 
>>> assistants much of these jobs are not supervised and require a lot 
>>> of moving around and dealing with dangerous materials. If you want 
>>> to continue working here your shifts will continue to be in the dish
room.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver 
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>> 
>> 
>> --
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>> http://www.gofundme.com/jjd-grad-fund
>> Secretary
>> North Metro Chapter
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>> &
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 20 00:49:31 2017
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 00:49:31 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] DSS Question
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Hello Vejas,

I think every college does things a little differently when it comes to providing accommodations. I feel like the current set up my college uses for testing accommodations is a bit complicated as the testing center and the disabilities office are no longer located in the same building on campus.

Anyway, professors at my college can drop off tests and quizzes in the testing center any time before the test or quiz is scheduled to take place in class. However, if I want to use a reader from the disabilities office to read the test or quiz, then I need to set up this accommodation one business week before the date of the test or quiz. The disabilities office is responsible for obtaining the test or quiz from the testing center before I am scheduled to take a test or quiz with them.

Since my schedule is usually rather busy, I try to schedule all my tests and quizzes near the beginning of the semester shortly after receiving the syllabus with the test and quiz dates on it during the first day of class. This way I have a greater chance of being able to take the tests and quizzes when I would like to be able to take them.

I hope this answers your question.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 6:45 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] DSS Question

Hi All,
I was just curious of other peoples' schools' DSS policies relating to this.
Whenever I want to take a test or quiz in the DSS office (which I will do for math), I need to have the teacher fill out a proctoring form.  The form always has to be turned in 7 days before the exam, except for finals, which are 14 days.  This just seems like a very long time to me.  I understand that the staff have other things to do also, but normally if I ever need to come in to discuss a worksheet all I would have to do is email them the day of or the night before.
Anyone else have a similar policy?
Vejas

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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 20 01:12:54 2017
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 01:12:54 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] sync iCloud contacts and calendar to BN touch
Message-ID: <BY2PR12MB014817C09FAD2C71667EE78DBA710@BY2PR12MB0148.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Hello Jessica,

I notice that you post a lot of questions on here regarding your Braille Note Touch. While I am not discouraging you or anyone else from posting questions regarding technical issues with technology, I am wondering if there might be a better place for you to post your questions.

If I recall correctly, I believe there are a couple of different NFB email lists dedicated to technology. You can find the complete list of the various NFB email lists and their descriptions by visiting www.nfbnet.org. Once there click on the link for add or drop email list, and the list of all the NFB email lists will appear. For a short description of any email list, simply click the link for the email list, and a short description will appear. It has been a while since I looked through the complete list of NFB email lists, so I am not completely sure what might be available for technology related questions.

Also, I believe there may have been various email lists outside of the NFB dedicated to Braille Note line of note takers. Perhaps you could search to see if there are any email lists dedicated solely to the Braille Note Touch.

I think either one of these places would be a good place to find the answers to the questions regarding your Braille note Touch that people on this email list are not able to answer for you. I think you would be more likely to receive more technical support from these other places rather than on this email list.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jessica Dail via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 11:47 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Jessica Dail <jldail13 at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] sync icloud contacts and calendar to BN touch

Hi,
I need to sync my iCloud contacts and clendar to my BN touch.
Can anyone tell me the most accesssible way to do this?
Thanks,
Jessica
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 02:20:48 2017
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 21:20:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] DSS Question
Message-ID: <5881742f.4178370a.918fa.cc7e@mx.google.com>

That's a fairly short period of time for them to schedule a 
reader or procter actually.  It's generally a good idea to 
schedule this at the beginning of the semester once you get your 
syllabus so the proctors and readers can plan their lives and so 
the DSS office can find enough people to accommodate all the 
students.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 15:44:37 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] DSS Question

Hi All,
I was just curious of other peoples' schools' DSS policies
relating to this.
Whenever I want to take a test or quiz in the DSS office (which I
will do for math), I need to have the teacher fill out a
proctoring form.  The form always has to be turned in 7 days
before the exam, except for finals, which are 14 days.  This just
seems like a very long time to me.  I understand that the staff
have other things to do also, but normally if I ever need to come
in to discuss a worksheet all I would have to do is email them
the day of or the night before.
Anyone else have a similar policy?
Vejas

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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 02:42:33 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 21:42:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] DSS Question
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That's normal, some require longer.
 -----Original Message-----
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Adam via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 9:21 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSS Question

That's a fairly short period of time for them to schedule a reader or
procter actually.  It's generally a good idea to schedule this at the
beginning of the semester once you get your syllabus so the proctors and
readers can plan their lives and so the DSS office can find enough people to
accommodate all the students.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 15:44:37 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] DSS Question

Hi All,
I was just curious of other peoples' schools' DSS policies relating to this.
Whenever I want to take a test or quiz in the DSS office (which I will do
for math), I need to have the teacher fill out a proctoring form.  The form
always has to be turned in 7 days before the exam, except for finals, which
are 14 days.  This just seems like a very long time to me.  I understand
that the staff have other things to do also, but normally if I ever need to
come in to discuss a worksheet all I would have to do is email them the day
of or the night before.
Anyone else have a similar policy?
Vejas

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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 02:43:16 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 21:43:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] DSS Question
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In fact, 7 days may be kind of fast depending upon size.


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin
Adam via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 9:21 PM
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Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSS Question

That's a fairly short period of time for them to schedule a reader or
procter actually.  It's generally a good idea to schedule this at the
beginning of the semester once you get your syllabus so the proctors and
readers can plan their lives and so the DSS office can find enough people to
accommodate all the students.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 15:44:37 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] DSS Question

Hi All,
I was just curious of other peoples' schools' DSS policies relating to this.
Whenever I want to take a test or quiz in the DSS office (which I will do
for math), I need to have the teacher fill out a proctoring form.  The form
always has to be turned in 7 days before the exam, except for finals, which
are 14 days.  This just seems like a very long time to me.  I understand
that the staff have other things to do also, but normally if I ever need to
come in to discuss a worksheet all I would have to do is email them the day
of or the night before.
Anyone else have a similar policy?
Vejas

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From GCazares at nfb.org  Fri Jan 20 03:11:16 2017
From: GCazares at nfb.org (Cazares, Gabe)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 03:11:16 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Nfbnet-members-list] FW: Join us to AIM High
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NABSters,

Please see the below note from President Riccobono. It’s time to call on Congress and the incoming administration to make digital accessibility a top policy priority for 2017! Please sign and share our petition, it’s time to AIM High for equal access in classrooms nation-wide!

...Gabe


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From: NFBNet-Members-List [mailto:nfbnet-members-list-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews via NFBNet-Members-List
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 7:40 PM
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Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] FW: Join us to AIM High

Fellow Federationists,

The issues we address in the National Federation of the Blind are not partisan issues, and as the leading voice in the field of blindness, we stand ready to work with both Republicans and Democrats to advance our legislative priorities and help blind Americans live the lives we want. As our country prepares to welcome a new administration, we want to reiterate the importance of securing equal educational opportunities for our blind students.

To reinforce this point, Jamie Principato, who spoke<https://www.nfb.org/national-convention-highlights> at our national convention last summer about her experience with inaccessible technology, has launched a petition<https://www.change.org/p/united-states-congress-remove-barriers-to-classroom-equality-ensure-accessibility-of-instructional-materials?recruiter=75359047&utm_source=share_for_starters&utm_medium=copyLink> calling on congressional leaders to move swiftly to pass our Accessible Instructional Materials in Higher Education (AIM High) Act. The petition<https://www.change.org/p/united-states-congress-remove-barriers-to-classroom-equality-ensure-accessibility-of-instructional-materials?recruiter=75359047&utm_source=share_for_starters&utm_medium=copyLink> further calls upon President-elect Donald J. Trump to unequivocally commit to supporting this legislation by urging its passage.

I ask every member of the Federation to please sign and share this petition. Let’s show the incoming administration and Congress that equal access to electronic instructional materials must be a top policy priority for 2017.

Sincerely,

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From jlestermusic at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 08:48:09 2017
From: jlestermusic at gmail.com (josh lester)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 00:48:09 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Updates on me!
Message-ID: <CAEpB4bjsHre0+y=7O0KH3Ns54L5UmO2H1y6eP+pom3NWw5BKSA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all.
I've recently moved to California, and I'm doing well.
I have my Bachelor's degree now, and I'm about to find work.
I'm about to get a job!
It's about time!
I just thought I'd let everyone know why you haven't heard from me lately.
Thanks

-- 
Joshua Lester
Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
"Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 13:39:05 2017
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 08:39:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Blog Post for January
Message-ID: <58821325.04e60d0a.ac62c.d913@mx.google.com>

Hi Brian thanks for your message.  I really enjoyed reading this 
month's blog.


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 13:39:18 2017
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 08:39:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] DSS Question
Message-ID: <58821332.04e60d0a.ac62c.d918@mx.google.com>

Hi Vejas thanks for your message.  The Student Accessibility 
Services office at UCF has a similar policy regarding testing.  
Test requests must be submitted seven days in advance of the 
exam.  Test requests during finals must be scheduled at least one 
week in advance.


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 13:39:21 2017
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 08:39:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Updates on me!
Message-ID: <58821334.04e60d0a.ac62c.d919@mx.google.com>

Thanks for the update.  I am also looking for a job now that I've 
graduated.


From spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 20 13:56:43 2017
From: spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net (Jen)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 08:56:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Updates on me!
In-Reply-To: <CAEpB4bjsHre0+y=7O0KH3Ns54L5UmO2H1y6eP+pom3NWw5BKSA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEpB4bjsHre0+y=7O0KH3Ns54L5UmO2H1y6eP+pom3NWw5BKSA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001d27325$08bbdf40$1a339dc0$@sbcglobal.net>

Congratulations! What did you get your bachelor's degree in? And what job
are you interested in?

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of josh lester via
NABS-L
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 3:48 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: josh lester <jlestermusic at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Updates on me!

Hi all.
I've recently moved to California, and I'm doing well.
I have my Bachelor's degree now, and I'm about to find work.
I'm about to get a job!
It's about time!
I just thought I'd let everyone know why you haven't heard from me lately.
Thanks

-- 
Joshua Lester
Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
"Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)

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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 14:27:36 2017
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 09:27:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Updates on me!
Message-ID: <58821e83.8388810a.903a5.de20@mx.google.com>

I got my Bachelor's degree in Interdisciplinary Studies.  I am 
interested in becoming a teacher's assistant to blind students.


From alyssahenson95 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 17:27:00 2017
From: alyssahenson95 at gmail.com (alyssahenson95 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 12:27:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Tell me about the BrailleNote Apex.
In-Reply-To: <4C7D1A1F-C8DF-4105-B532-27A993F0315E@gmail.com>
References: <000101d270c9$04048c30$0c0da490$@sbcglobal.net>
	<4C7D1A1F-C8DF-4105-B532-27A993F0315E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AE459908-7486-4A22-B34A-9264DADA2168@gmail.com>

Hello Jen,
As a long time Apex user, I believe it has been good for its time. It's a great device if you're looking for something to use for basic note taking, and occasional web browsing or email checking. I also feel that if you're willing to purchase the device yourself and have the funds to do so, you are probably better off purchasing the BN Touch. It is more up to date and offers many features which aren't available on the Apex. Good luck with which ever device you choose to use.
Best,
Alyssa 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 17, 2017, at 9:02 AM, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> My previous braillenote was an apex. The braillenote touch is 100 times better, and is consistantly being updated by Humanware. The last update for the Apex was on May 20, 2015. 
> There are still some features, like not being able to open multiple documents at once using keyword at once, and I haven't tried it, but I think google docs supports the opening of multiple documents at once. 
> It works very nicely. One of my favorite things is that the BN touch supports imap email. 
> Thanks, and I hope this helps. 
> Jessica
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 17, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Jen via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi guys,
>> 
>> In Vejas' thread, someone mentioned about the BrailleNote Apex. I had a
>> BrailleNote BT, which HumanWare doesn't make anymore. BrailleNote Apex
>> users, can you tell me about the Apex? I'm thinking I should purchase it but
>> would love user feedback first.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> 
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From kaylaweathers51590 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 18:27:01 2017
From: kaylaweathers51590 at gmail.com (Kayla Weathers)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 13:27:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking accessible practice materials for the Praxis Core
 Academic Skills for Educators Mathematics test number 5732
Message-ID: <CACNPAB75wn2FAPp94_d8NcK8zPyVCmmY4907yXP9kiTF=unwyg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, I am in search of accessible practice materials for the Praxis
Core Academic Skills for Educators Mathematics test number 5732. While
I received some hard-copy braille practice materials from ETS, I feel
that the fifteen practice problems that were included did not provide
me with enough practice in this particular subject. I attempted
searching on bookshare and did not have any luck. If anyone could
recommend any other accessible resources for this particular test, or
helpful materials that I could use in conjunction with a human reader,
I would really appreciate it!
Thanks, Kayla

-- 
Kayla Weathers.
B.A. English Literature
Dalton State College


From louvins at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 18:39:45 2017
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 12:39:45 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Tell me about the BrailleNote Apex.
In-Reply-To: <AE459908-7486-4A22-B34A-9264DADA2168@gmail.com>
References: <000101d270c9$04048c30$0c0da490$@sbcglobal.net>
	<4C7D1A1F-C8DF-4105-B532-27A993F0315E@gmail.com>
	<AE459908-7486-4A22-B34A-9264DADA2168@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADUoy9sNz6eM8WVhBTNu=RV82Cksh57kk52i8Q5jSFbBGFTDdA@mail.gmail.com>

I have had a braille note apex for a few months and do like it.  I was
able to check a few web sites when my computer was down, and even
order from amazon.com.  However, since I heard about the touch, I've
wanted one.  This is because the touch uses android which is an open
platform, which is easy to keep up to date with mainstream technology.
I'll be able to do things like check youtube, download and listen to
audible books, and download any accessible app I want from the google
play store.  Trying to use audible on the apex really wasn't possible.
I am looking forward to getting my touch once I've saved up enough
money.

On 1/20/17, Alyssa via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Jen,
> As a long time Apex user, I believe it has been good for its time. It's a
> great device if you're looking for something to use for basic note taking,
> and occasional web browsing or email checking. I also feel that if you're
> willing to purchase the device yourself and have the funds to do so, you are
> probably better off purchasing the BN Touch. It is more up to date and
> offers many features which aren't available on the Apex. Good luck with
> which ever device you choose to use.
> Best,
> Alyssa
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jan 17, 2017, at 9:02 AM, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> My previous braillenote was an apex. The braillenote touch is 100 times
>> better, and is consistantly being updated by Humanware. The last update
>> for the Apex was on May 20, 2015.
>> There are still some features, like not being able to open multiple
>> documents at once using keyword at once, and I haven't tried it, but I
>> think google docs supports the opening of multiple documents at once.
>> It works very nicely. One of my favorite things is that the BN touch
>> supports imap email.
>> Thanks, and I hope this helps.
>> Jessica
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 17, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Jen via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi guys,
>>>
>>> In Vejas' thread, someone mentioned about the BrailleNote Apex. I had a
>>> BrailleNote BT, which HumanWare doesn't make anymore. BrailleNote Apex
>>> users, can you tell me about the Apex? I'm thinking I should purchase it
>>> but
>>> would love user feedback first.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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From misokwak12 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 21:11:19 2017
From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 13:11:19 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] DSS Question
In-Reply-To: <026101d272c6$f4176270$dc462750$@gmail.com>
References: <5881742f.4178370a.918fa.cc7e@mx.google.com>
	<026101d272c6$f4176270$dc462750$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMe9x_HKg0z8qiXPBO5snOEnEGuusSgeZapqtw9_+bFyJacjyg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Vejas, At my school I have to sign up for all of my midterms and
final exams in the first three weeks of each term using an online
portal.
I do not need any form from faculty. The office contacts the faculty
on my behalf after I sign up for tests using the online process.
-Miso

On 1/19/17, Justin Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> In fact, 7 days may be kind of fast depending upon size.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin
> Adam via NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 9:21 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSS Question
>
> That's a fairly short period of time for them to schedule a reader or
> procter actually.  It's generally a good idea to schedule this at the
> beginning of the semester once you get your syllabus so the proctors and
> readers can plan their lives and so the DSS office can find enough people
> to
> accommodate all the students.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 15:44:37 -0800
> Subject: [nabs-l] DSS Question
>
> Hi All,
> I was just curious of other peoples' schools' DSS policies relating to
> this.
> Whenever I want to take a test or quiz in the DSS office (which I will do
> for math), I need to have the teacher fill out a proctoring form.  The form
> always has to be turned in 7 days before the exam, except for finals, which
> are 14 days.  This just seems like a very long time to me.  I understand
> that the staff have other things to do also, but normally if I ever need to
> come in to discuss a worksheet all I would have to do is email them the day
> of or the night before.
> Anyone else have a similar policy?
> Vejas
>
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-- 
Mi So Kwak
University of California, Los Angeles | 2017
Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
(909) 660-1897


From jlestermusic at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 00:15:05 2017
From: jlestermusic at gmail.com (josh lester)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 16:15:05 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Updates on me!
In-Reply-To: <58821e83.8388810a.903a5.de20@mx.google.com>
References: <58821e83.8388810a.903a5.de20@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAEpB4bhNthgWGQEYjfMaY9AYbxdCRPYPaZcUabbPGyw-rU8+xw@mail.gmail.com>

To answer Jen and Roanna, I have my degree in Behavioral Health Technology.
I'd like to either help teach preschool students, or teach Braille.

On 1/20/17, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I got my Bachelor's degree in Interdisciplinary Studies.  I am
> interested in becoming a teacher's assistant to blind students.
>
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-- 
Joshua Lester
Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
"Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)


From jlestermusic at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 00:22:36 2017
From: jlestermusic at gmail.com (josh lester)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 16:22:36 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Tell me about the BrailleNote Apex.
In-Reply-To: <AE459908-7486-4A22-B34A-9264DADA2168@gmail.com>
References: <000101d270c9$04048c30$0c0da490$@sbcglobal.net>
	<4C7D1A1F-C8DF-4105-B532-27A993F0315E@gmail.com>
	<AE459908-7486-4A22-B34A-9264DADA2168@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEpB4bjgZkYFgPmCgbZrOfwq+xi-ehUhfNYi-t61XzrHzqHT_w@mail.gmail.com>

I've wanted to get out of HumanWare, and get a Braille Sense, because
that device can also view Youtube, which HumanWare's products, and
Freedom Scientific's stuff can't do that!

On 1/20/17, Alyssa via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Jen,
> As a long time Apex user, I believe it has been good for its time. It's a
> great device if you're looking for something to use for basic note taking,
> and occasional web browsing or email checking. I also feel that if you're
> willing to purchase the device yourself and have the funds to do so, you are
> probably better off purchasing the BN Touch. It is more up to date and
> offers many features which aren't available on the Apex. Good luck with
> which ever device you choose to use.
> Best,
> Alyssa
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jan 17, 2017, at 9:02 AM, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> My previous braillenote was an apex. The braillenote touch is 100 times
>> better, and is consistantly being updated by Humanware. The last update
>> for the Apex was on May 20, 2015.
>> There are still some features, like not being able to open multiple
>> documents at once using keyword at once, and I haven't tried it, but I
>> think google docs supports the opening of multiple documents at once.
>> It works very nicely. One of my favorite things is that the BN touch
>> supports imap email.
>> Thanks, and I hope this helps.
>> Jessica
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 17, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Jen via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi guys,
>>>
>>> In Vejas' thread, someone mentioned about the BrailleNote Apex. I had a
>>> BrailleNote BT, which HumanWare doesn't make anymore. BrailleNote Apex
>>> users, can you tell me about the Apex? I'm thinking I should purchase it
>>> but
>>> would love user feedback first.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> NABS-L:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jldail13%40gmail.com
>>
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-- 
Joshua Lester
Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
"Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)


From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Sat Jan 21 00:45:28 2017
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 19:45:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Tell me about the BrailleNote Apex.
In-Reply-To: <CAEpB4bjgZkYFgPmCgbZrOfwq+xi-ehUhfNYi-t61XzrHzqHT_w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000101d270c9$04048c30$0c0da490$@sbcglobal.net>
	<4C7D1A1F-C8DF-4105-B532-27A993F0315E@gmail.com>
	<AE459908-7486-4A22-B34A-9264DADA2168@gmail.com>
	<CAEpB4bjgZkYFgPmCgbZrOfwq+xi-ehUhfNYi-t61XzrHzqHT_w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHqxUett4AKwhcM0TawxFTLVJF2M47FgSzK89j1d75SwX15-HA@mail.gmail.com>

Actually, the BrailleNote Touch can access Youtube.
I believe the Apex is probably useful for some people but for me, I
need a more versatile device that will allow me to access braille so
I'm on the search.

On 1/20/17, josh lester via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I've wanted to get out of HumanWare, and get a Braille Sense, because
> that device can also view Youtube, which HumanWare's products, and
> Freedom Scientific's stuff can't do that!
>
> On 1/20/17, Alyssa via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello Jen,
>> As a long time Apex user, I believe it has been good for its time. It's a
>> great device if you're looking for something to use for basic note
>> taking,
>> and occasional web browsing or email checking. I also feel that if you're
>> willing to purchase the device yourself and have the funds to do so, you
>> are
>> probably better off purchasing the BN Touch. It is more up to date and
>> offers many features which aren't available on the Apex. Good luck with
>> which ever device you choose to use.
>> Best,
>> Alyssa
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Jan 17, 2017, at 9:02 AM, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> My previous braillenote was an apex. The braillenote touch is 100 times
>>> better, and is consistantly being updated by Humanware. The last update
>>> for the Apex was on May 20, 2015.
>>> There are still some features, like not being able to open multiple
>>> documents at once using keyword at once, and I haven't tried it, but I
>>> think google docs supports the opening of multiple documents at once.
>>> It works very nicely. One of my favorite things is that the BN touch
>>> supports imap email.
>>> Thanks, and I hope this helps.
>>> Jessica
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jan 17, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Jen via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>
>>>> In Vejas' thread, someone mentioned about the BrailleNote Apex. I had a
>>>> BrailleNote BT, which HumanWare doesn't make anymore. BrailleNote Apex
>>>> users, can you tell me about the Apex? I'm thinking I should purchase
>>>> it
>>>> but
>>>> would love user feedback first.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> NABS-L:
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>
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> Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
> "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
> the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
> receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)
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From louvins at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 00:59:41 2017
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 18:59:41 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Tell me about the BrailleNote Apex.
In-Reply-To: <CAHqxUett4AKwhcM0TawxFTLVJF2M47FgSzK89j1d75SwX15-HA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000101d270c9$04048c30$0c0da490$@sbcglobal.net>
	<4C7D1A1F-C8DF-4105-B532-27A993F0315E@gmail.com>
	<AE459908-7486-4A22-B34A-9264DADA2168@gmail.com>
	<CAEpB4bjgZkYFgPmCgbZrOfwq+xi-ehUhfNYi-t61XzrHzqHT_w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHqxUett4AKwhcM0TawxFTLVJF2M47FgSzK89j1d75SwX15-HA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADUoy9tUUWNOAYWxcuqVz+y_zXVgQfrjFr5hf1B4ifPCSb=6RA@mail.gmail.com>

Plus the braillesense still uses windows mobile which  isn't a very
good file system at all.  The touch is an android device.

On 1/20/17, Christina Moore via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Actually, the BrailleNote Touch can access Youtube.
> I believe the Apex is probably useful for some people but for me, I
> need a more versatile device that will allow me to access braille so
> I'm on the search.
>
> On 1/20/17, josh lester via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I've wanted to get out of HumanWare, and get a Braille Sense, because
>> that device can also view Youtube, which HumanWare's products, and
>> Freedom Scientific's stuff can't do that!
>>
>> On 1/20/17, Alyssa via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hello Jen,
>>> As a long time Apex user, I believe it has been good for its time. It's
>>> a
>>> great device if you're looking for something to use for basic note
>>> taking,
>>> and occasional web browsing or email checking. I also feel that if
>>> you're
>>> willing to purchase the device yourself and have the funds to do so, you
>>> are
>>> probably better off purchasing the BN Touch. It is more up to date and
>>> offers many features which aren't available on the Apex. Good luck with
>>> which ever device you choose to use.
>>> Best,
>>> Alyssa
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Jan 17, 2017, at 9:02 AM, Jessica Dail via NABS-L
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> My previous braillenote was an apex. The braillenote touch is 100 times
>>>> better, and is consistantly being updated by Humanware. The last update
>>>> for the Apex was on May 20, 2015.
>>>> There are still some features, like not being able to open multiple
>>>> documents at once using keyword at once, and I haven't tried it, but I
>>>> think google docs supports the opening of multiple documents at once.
>>>> It works very nicely. One of my favorite things is that the BN touch
>>>> supports imap email.
>>>> Thanks, and I hope this helps.
>>>> Jessica
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 17, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Jen via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>
>>>>> In Vejas' thread, someone mentioned about the BrailleNote Apex. I had
>>>>> a
>>>>> BrailleNote BT, which HumanWare doesn't make anymore. BrailleNote Apex
>>>>> users, can you tell me about the Apex? I'm thinking I should purchase
>>>>> it
>>>>> but
>>>>> would love user feedback first.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NABS-L mailing list
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Joshua Lester
>> Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
>> "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
>> the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
>> receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)
>>
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From sbonenfant2 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 03:00:23 2017
From: sbonenfant2 at gmail.com (Simon Bonenfant)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 22:00:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Tell me about the BrailleNote Apex.
In-Reply-To: <CAHqxUett4AKwhcM0TawxFTLVJF2M47FgSzK89j1d75SwX15-HA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000101d270c9$04048c30$0c0da490$@sbcglobal.net>
	<4C7D1A1F-C8DF-4105-B532-27A993F0315E@gmail.com>
	<AE459908-7486-4A22-B34A-9264DADA2168@gmail.com>
	<CAEpB4bjgZkYFgPmCgbZrOfwq+xi-ehUhfNYi-t61XzrHzqHT_w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHqxUett4AKwhcM0TawxFTLVJF2M47FgSzK89j1d75SwX15-HA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <831CBCEC-2EF7-482D-8750-4B4CE4DFC259@gmail.com>

the braille not can access youtube also, using the website converttomp3.net. 
> On Jan 20, 2017, at 7:45 PM, Christina Moore via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Actually, the BrailleNote Touch can access Youtube.
> I believe the Apex is probably useful for some people but for me, I
> need a more versatile device that will allow me to access braille so
> I'm on the search.
> 
> On 1/20/17, josh lester via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I've wanted to get out of HumanWare, and get a Braille Sense, because
>> that device can also view Youtube, which HumanWare's products, and
>> Freedom Scientific's stuff can't do that!
>> 
>> On 1/20/17, Alyssa via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hello Jen,
>>> As a long time Apex user, I believe it has been good for its time. It's a
>>> great device if you're looking for something to use for basic note
>>> taking,
>>> and occasional web browsing or email checking. I also feel that if you're
>>> willing to purchase the device yourself and have the funds to do so, you
>>> are
>>> probably better off purchasing the BN Touch. It is more up to date and
>>> offers many features which aren't available on the Apex. Good luck with
>>> which ever device you choose to use.
>>> Best,
>>> Alyssa
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 17, 2017, at 9:02 AM, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> My previous braillenote was an apex. The braillenote touch is 100 times
>>>> better, and is consistantly being updated by Humanware. The last update
>>>> for the Apex was on May 20, 2015.
>>>> There are still some features, like not being able to open multiple
>>>> documents at once using keyword at once, and I haven't tried it, but I
>>>> think google docs supports the opening of multiple documents at once.
>>>> It works very nicely. One of my favorite things is that the BN touch
>>>> supports imap email.
>>>> Thanks, and I hope this helps.
>>>> Jessica
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 17, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Jen via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>> 
>>>>> In Vejas' thread, someone mentioned about the BrailleNote Apex. I had a
>>>>> BrailleNote BT, which HumanWare doesn't make anymore. BrailleNote Apex
>>>>> users, can you tell me about the Apex? I'm thinking I should purchase
>>>>> it
>>>>> but
>>>>> would love user feedback first.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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>>>>> NABS-L:
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jldail13%40gmail.com
>>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Joshua Lester
>> Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
>> "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
>> the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
>> receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)
>> 
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> 
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From ahbeeorton at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 21 03:54:23 2017
From: ahbeeorton at yahoo.com (Ahbee Orton)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 21:54:23 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] how to plax piano music
Message-ID: <C57A6B40-AA24-4AB9-988B-930EB16E20F7@yahoo.com>

Hi All, 

I play the piano, but I've been playing by memorizing certain patterns and just the songs. Now, I need to learn how to play a certain piece that gives me the chords, and I will play the notes for those chords. How do you suggest I learn the song? I don't really have any experience with trying to read braille music while trying to play the piano. Any thoughts on how to both memorize and play both hands on the piano or just probably one hand on the piano. The only thought that I really had was to play one hand while read the music with the other and memorize the piece that way. Is that the only option for me? Thanks so much! 

Ahbee 


Sent from Ahbee's iPhone


From jlestermusic at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 03:57:19 2017
From: jlestermusic at gmail.com (josh lester)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 19:57:19 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] how to plax piano music
In-Reply-To: <C57A6B40-AA24-4AB9-988B-930EB16E20F7@yahoo.com>
References: <C57A6B40-AA24-4AB9-988B-930EB16E20F7@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAEpB4biBLxaDs2xq3J5GyyQX94p8VqTLptX5hBTd1LQCSdKZdQ@mail.gmail.com>

Just listen to the piece, and memorize it.
Try to get a Youtube video that breaks down the song.
That's what I do.
I'm a Gospel musician, singer and songwriter.
If you have anymore questions, you may write me offlist.
Hope this helps.
Thanks

On 1/20/17, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I play the piano, but I've been playing by memorizing certain patterns and
> just the songs. Now, I need to learn how to play a certain piece that gives
> me the chords, and I will play the notes for those chords. How do you
> suggest I learn the song? I don't really have any experience with trying to
> read braille music while trying to play the piano. Any thoughts on how to
> both memorize and play both hands on the piano or just probably one hand on
> the piano. The only thought that I really had was to play one hand while
> read the music with the other and memorize the piece that way. Is that the
> only option for me? Thanks so much!
>
> Ahbee
>
>
> Sent from Ahbee's iPhone
>
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-- 
Joshua Lester
Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
"Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)


From ahbeeorton at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 21 04:26:20 2017
From: ahbeeorton at yahoo.com (Ahbee Orton)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 22:26:20 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] how to plax piano music
In-Reply-To: <CAEpB4biBLxaDs2xq3J5GyyQX94p8VqTLptX5hBTd1LQCSdKZdQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C57A6B40-AA24-4AB9-988B-930EB16E20F7@yahoo.com>
	<CAEpB4biBLxaDs2xq3J5GyyQX94p8VqTLptX5hBTd1LQCSdKZdQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BDE239C9-7464-41AF-8175-5164D22E708E@yahoo.com>

Oh Hi, 

I'm learning a hymn right now. I'm trying to learn "Nothing But The Blood." I would love to learn other hymns and other worship songs. For those other songs, do you suggest for me to learn them all through YouTube and memorizing them too? Actually, I always memorize my music, whether in band as a floutist or as a pianist. 

Thanks, 
Ahbee 


Sent from Ahbee's iPhone

> On Jan 20, 2017, at 9:57 PM, josh lester via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Just listen to the piece, and memorize it.
> Try to get a Youtube video that breaks down the song.
> That's what I do.
> I'm a Gospel musician, singer and songwriter.
> If you have anymore questions, you may write me offlist.
> Hope this helps.
> Thanks
> 
>> On 1/20/17, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I play the piano, but I've been playing by memorizing certain patterns and
>> just the songs. Now, I need to learn how to play a certain piece that gives
>> me the chords, and I will play the notes for those chords. How do you
>> suggest I learn the song? I don't really have any experience with trying to
>> read braille music while trying to play the piano. Any thoughts on how to
>> both memorize and play both hands on the piano or just probably one hand on
>> the piano. The only thought that I really had was to play one hand while
>> read the music with the other and memorize the piece that way. Is that the
>> only option for me? Thanks so much!
>> 
>> Ahbee
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Ahbee's iPhone
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Joshua Lester
> Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
> "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
> the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
> receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)
> 
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From jlestermusic at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 07:15:30 2017
From: jlestermusic at gmail.com (Joshua Lester)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 23:15:30 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] how to plax piano music
In-Reply-To: <BDE239C9-7464-41AF-8175-5164D22E708E@yahoo.com>
References: <C57A6B40-AA24-4AB9-988B-930EB16E20F7@yahoo.com>
	<CAEpB4biBLxaDs2xq3J5GyyQX94p8VqTLptX5hBTd1LQCSdKZdQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BDE239C9-7464-41AF-8175-5164D22E708E@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E8DC438B-134C-4154-BF92-F0AD7DF699BC@gmail.com>

Yes. I will send you a YouTube video of how that song is broken down.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 20, 2017, at 8:26 PM, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Oh Hi, 
> 
> I'm learning a hymn right now. I'm trying to learn "Nothing But The Blood." I would love to learn other hymns and other worship songs. For those other songs, do you suggest for me to learn them all through YouTube and memorizing them too? Actually, I always memorize my music, whether in band as a floutist or as a pianist. 
> 
> Thanks, 
> Ahbee 
> 
> 
> Sent from Ahbee's iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2017, at 9:57 PM, josh lester via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Just listen to the piece, and memorize it.
>> Try to get a Youtube video that breaks down the song.
>> That's what I do.
>> I'm a Gospel musician, singer and songwriter.
>> If you have anymore questions, you may write me offlist.
>> Hope this helps.
>> Thanks
>> 
>>> On 1/20/17, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> I play the piano, but I've been playing by memorizing certain patterns and
>>> just the songs. Now, I need to learn how to play a certain piece that gives
>>> me the chords, and I will play the notes for those chords. How do you
>>> suggest I learn the song? I don't really have any experience with trying to
>>> read braille music while trying to play the piano. Any thoughts on how to
>>> both memorize and play both hands on the piano or just probably one hand on
>>> the piano. The only thought that I really had was to play one hand while
>>> read the music with the other and memorize the piece that way. Is that the
>>> only option for me? Thanks so much!
>>> 
>>> Ahbee
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from Ahbee's iPhone
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> NABS-L:
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>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Joshua Lester
>> Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
>> "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
>> the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
>> receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ahbeeorton%40yahoo.com
> 
> 
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 11:49:52 2017
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 06:49:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] how to plax piano music
Message-ID: <58834b13.0f4f370a.600b9.1085@mx.google.com>

Hi Ahbee,

It's not really possible to play and read at the same time.  
Typically what I do is read a couple measures and then play them 
several times.  The goal is to have the piece memorized.

HTH,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Lizzy via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 21:54:23 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] how to plax piano music

Hi All,

I play the piano, but I've been playing by memorizing certain 
patterns and just the songs. Now, I need to learn how to play a 
certain piece that gives me the chords, and I will play the notes 
for those chords. How do you suggest I learn the song? I don't 
really have any experience with trying to read braille music 
while trying to play the piano. Any thoughts on how to both 
memorize and play both hands on the piano or just probably one 
hand on the piano. The only thought that I really had was to play 
one hand while read the music with the other and memorize the 
piece that way. Is that the only option for me? Thanks so much!

Ahbee


Sent from Ahbee's iPhone

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From PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu  Sat Jan 21 22:30:10 2017
From: PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu (Justin Salisbury)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 22:30:10 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Filing discrimination complaint re NIU TVI program
 with US Department of Education
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I am sorry to hear that yet another blind student wishing to become a blindness professional has been affected by the low expectations that seem to pervade NIU. I have a friend who recently left that university for similar reasons and headed off to the Colorado Center for the Blind to restore confidence and build better blindness skills. If you want to get in touch with that student, perhaps you might consider contacting the Colorado Center for the Blind. 

As much as I wanted to have a choice in where I went to graduate school for a master's in the blindness field (I studied O&M and Rehab Teaching), I didn't apply anywhere but the one university whose institute on blindness was set up specifically because blind students were not being given a fair opportunity anywhere else. That institute offers programs for the K-12 Teacher of Blind Students, as well as orientation and mobility and rehabilitation teaching. I think we should have a choice, but it's not much of a choice when only one orientation and mobility program believes that blind people can become orientation and mobility instructors. When graduates of well-known programs like those of Western Michigan or UMass Boston tell me that a blind person can't really be a mobility instructor, I am grateful that members of the National Federation of the Blind got involved many years ago and set up the program at Louisiana Tech. 

I hope that you will stay close to the National Federation of the Blind because you do belong in your program and you do deserve to be treated equally.

Stay strong!

Justin

Justin M. Salisbury, MA, NOMC, NCRTB, NCUEB
Pre-Authorized Contribution Plan Coordinator
National Federation of the Blind of Hawaii
Email: President at Alumni.ECU.edu
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Filing discrimination complaint re NIU TVI program with US Department of Education

You can also file with DOJ and Office of Civil Rights, OCR.


Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 17, 2017, at 09:45, Cazares, Gabe via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Zach,
> 
> If you have already filed a grievance with your school and are not satisfied with the results of that process, filing a complaint with the Office for Civil Rights in the U.S. Department of Education is certainly another option that is available to you. However, it is important to keep in mind that if the school has not completed its internal investigation as a result of your grievance, OCR will defer to them until that process has been fully completed.
> 
> I am happy to chat with you off-list about things you can do to move the process along.
> 
> ...Gabe
> 
> Gabe Cazares
> (410) 659-9314 x 2206
> National Federation of the Blind
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Montas via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 5:44 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Carlos Montas; iabs-talk at nfbnet.org; il-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Filing discrimination complaint re NIU TVI program with US Department of Education
> 
> Good morning  my name is Carlos Montas.  I am a vocational rehabilitation Counselor.  Please feel free to contact me off list.  I have a contact that may be able to assist you as your formal complaint moves through at ocr.  you can email me at carlos.montas at att.net  Sincerely,  Carlos Montas  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 17, 2017, at 2:54 AM, wmodnl wmodnl via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I would, you went to a TVI program, one that should accommodate this population better. To all:
>> Umass Boston has the best program, I guarantee it. Umass Boston is inclusive all over, you'll love it, come for a visit, bigly it's great, it's great, you know whad I mean. Those others are a horrible disaster and failing miserably. File, file, and then seek out The University Of Massachusetts At Boston for a great inclusive education. 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jan 17, 2017, at 01:24, Zachary N. GriegoDreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>>  Happy new year. I flew all day to Chicago's O'Hare airport the other day from home and was starting to question why I was even coming back to Illinois for another semester after the appaling grade I got in classes I mentioned as being challenging and unpassable due to facing discrimination against all blind students last semester (fall 2016) to you in an earlier email. I had a good long time to think about this as I got further and further away from home, having the question of my voc rehab counsellor and many others of why I didn't transfer to somewhere back home if I'm not going to graduate with what I want to think about, and thought that my best course of action was to just complete the major I switched to after my email to you all last year was sent, especially considering that I can graduate with vocational rehab services undergrad major at the end of the 2017 fall semester. I'm frankly not satisfied with this, because this was planned for down the road, I could accomplish this major at a school much nearer home in an undergraduate path, and I came thousands miles to do the TVI program and am now at this point not even going to graduate with an education credencial. One of my friends suggested the other day that I am within my right to file a complaint to the department of education because a programa for TVIS teachers of visually impaired should most definitelya be accessible. I did file a complaint locally with the school as you guys suggested, but I am highly unsatisfied with how slowly it's progressing and am also highly disappointed in my current situation of being steered off a path that I really wanted to pursue. Nobody else around here has complained or is doing anything about it so I am going to and nobody can now disuade me. I'm not in Illinois just for any program and this is really upsetting that I'm having to do this and that other blind students attending the same program in hopes of the same degree just ran off into the distance and said nothing of it. I'd much rather this not b!
>> ecome a legal issue so my friend said the department of ed route will do it and would be much less likely to result in lawyers getting involved. I'm also doing this to try and help, NOT to do a lawsuit. Once the complaint has been received by the department of ed will someone (or a group of people) in NFB be able to please provide representation to guide the school and/or department of ed to make the program accessible? I have hope of returning to this program is something is done about it before December which is my currently scheduled graduation date. Thanks.
>>> 
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From zdreicer at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 23:08:41 2017
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 17:08:41 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Filing discrimination complaint re NIU TVI program
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Hi there Justin, I know that student personally and have spoken with them by phone about this, they are willing to participate in the title IX investigation process but I have not asked them about the Department of Education. I do have plans of setting foot on Louisiana Tech University's campus in the near future and look forward to doing so. My only issue now is not graduating with a teacher licensure which may prove to be a challenge down the road for something I always wanted to do. I am going to make sure that Northern Illinois University is compliant with the law because if I don't, I know someone who will and who is going to use legal force to do it... more so than a title IX  complaint and the complaint to the Department of education. 

Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver

> On Jan 21, 2017, at 16:30, Justin Salisbury via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I am sorry to hear that yet another blind student wishing to become a blindness professional has been affected by the low expectations that seem to pervade NIU. I have a friend who recently left that university for similar reasons and headed off to the Colorado Center for the Blind to restore confidence and build better blindness skills. If you want to get in touch with that student, perhaps you might consider contacting the Colorado Center for the Blind. 
> 
> As much as I wanted to have a choice in where I went to graduate school for a master's in the blindness field (I studied O&M and Rehab Teaching), I didn't apply anywhere but the one university whose institute on blindness was set up specifically because blind students were not being given a fair opportunity anywhere else. That institute offers programs for the K-12 Teacher of Blind Students, as well as orientation and mobility and rehabilitation teaching. I think we should have a choice, but it's not much of a choice when only one orientation and mobility program believes that blind people can become orientation and mobility instructors. When graduates of well-known programs like those of Western Michigan or UMass Boston tell me that a blind person can't really be a mobility instructor, I am grateful that members of the National Federation of the Blind got involved many years ago and set up the program at Louisiana Tech. 
> 
> I hope that you will stay close to the National Federation of the Blind because you do belong in your program and you do deserve to be treated equally.
> 
> Stay strong!
> 
> Justin
> 
> Justin M. Salisbury, MA, NOMC, NCRTB, NCUEB
> Pre-Authorized Contribution Plan Coordinator
> National Federation of the Blind of Hawaii
> Email: President at Alumni.ECU.edu
> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justin-salisbury  
>  
> "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." 
> 
> William Butler Yeats
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of wmodnl wmodnl via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 3:46 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: wmodnl wmodnl <wmodnl at hotmail.com>; iabs-talk at nfbnet.org; il-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Filing discrimination complaint re NIU TVI program with US Department of Education
> 
> You can also file with DOJ and Office of Civil Rights, OCR.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jan 17, 2017, at 09:45, Cazares, Gabe via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Zach,
>> 
>> If you have already filed a grievance with your school and are not satisfied with the results of that process, filing a complaint with the Office for Civil Rights in the U.S. Department of Education is certainly another option that is available to you. However, it is important to keep in mind that if the school has not completed its internal investigation as a result of your grievance, OCR will defer to them until that process has been fully completed.
>> 
>> I am happy to chat with you off-list about things you can do to move the process along.
>> 
>> ...Gabe
>> 
>> Gabe Cazares
>> (410) 659-9314 x 2206
>> National Federation of the Blind
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Montas via NABS-L
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 5:44 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Cc: Carlos Montas; iabs-talk at nfbnet.org; il-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Filing discrimination complaint re NIU TVI program with US Department of Education
>> 
>> Good morning  my name is Carlos Montas.  I am a vocational rehabilitation Counselor.  Please feel free to contact me off list.  I have a contact that may be able to assist you as your formal complaint moves through at ocr.  you can email me at carlos.montas at att.net  Sincerely,  Carlos Montas  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 17, 2017, at 2:54 AM, wmodnl wmodnl via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would, you went to a TVI program, one that should accommodate this population better. To all:
>>> Umass Boston has the best program, I guarantee it. Umass Boston is inclusive all over, you'll love it, come for a visit, bigly it's great, it's great, you know whad I mean. Those others are a horrible disaster and failing miserably. File, file, and then seek out The University Of Massachusetts At Boston for a great inclusive education. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 17, 2017, at 01:24, Zachary N. GriegoDreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> Happy new year. I flew all day to Chicago's O'Hare airport the other day from home and was starting to question why I was even coming back to Illinois for another semester after the appaling grade I got in classes I mentioned as being challenging and unpassable due to facing discrimination against all blind students last semester (fall 2016) to you in an earlier email. I had a good long time to think about this as I got further and further away from home, having the question of my voc rehab counsellor and many others of why I didn't transfer to somewhere back home if I'm not going to graduate with what I want to think about, and thought that my best course of action was to just complete the major I switched to after my email to you all last year was sent, especially considering that I can graduate with vocational rehab services undergrad major at the end of the 2017 fall semester. I'm frankly not satisfied with this, because this was planned for down the road, I could accomplish this major at a school much nearer home in an undergraduate path, and I came thousands miles to do the TVI program and am now at this point not even going to graduate with an education credencial. One of my friends suggested the other day that I am within my right to file a complaint to the department of education because a programa for TVIS teachers of visually impaired should most definitelya be accessible. I did file a complaint locally with the school as you guys suggested, but I am highly unsatisfied with how slowly it's progressing and am also highly disappointed in my current situation of being steered off a path that I really wanted to pursue. Nobody else around here has complained or is doing anything about it so I am going to and nobody can now disuade me. I'm not in Illinois just for any program and this is really upsetting that I'm having to do this and that other blind students attending the same program in hopes of the same degree just ran off into the distance and said nothing of it. I'd much rather this not b!
>>> ecome a legal issue so my friend said the department of ed route will do it and would be much less likely to result in lawyers getting involved. I'm also doing this to try and help, NOT to do a lawsuit. Once the complaint has been received by the department of ed will someone (or a group of people) in NFB be able to please provide representation to guide the school and/or department of ed to make the program accessible? I have hope of returning to this program is something is done about it before December which is my currently scheduled graduation date. Thanks.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my BrailleNote Touch
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From PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu  Sat Jan 21 23:37:15 2017
From: PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu (Justin Salisbury)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 23:37:15 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Filing discrimination complaint re NIU TVI program
 with US Department of Education
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I hear you man!

I'm really glad that you want to help more than just yourself in this process.

For what it's worth, it is possible to get your teacher licensure at Louisiana Tech, but you have every right to go and get it during your undergrad, and it only gives you a leg up when you get to graduate school. I think it would've been really cool if we had had someone in our cohort who was already certified as a teacher.

Anyway, keep fighting the good fight!

Sent from the iPhone of:

Justin M. Salisbury, MA, NOMC, NCRTB, NCUEB
Opportunity Ambassador
National Federation of the Blind
Email: President at Alumni.ECU.edu<mailto:President at Alumni.ECU.edu>
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justin-salisbury
Twitter: @SalisburyJustin

“Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire.”

William Butler Yeats


On Jan 21, 2017, at 1:08 PM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer <zdreicer at gmail.com<mailto:zdreicer at gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi there Justin, I know that student personally and have spoken with them by phone about this, they are willing to participate in the title IX investigation process but I have not asked them about the Department of Education. I do have plans of setting foot on Louisiana Tech University's campus in the near future and look forward to doing so. My only issue now is not graduating with a teacher licensure which may prove to be a challenge down the road for something I always wanted to do. I am going to make sure that Northern Illinois University is compliant with the law because if I don't, I know someone who will and who is going to use legal force to do it... more so than a title IX  complaint and the complaint to the Department of education.

Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver

On Jan 21, 2017, at 16:30, Justin Salisbury via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

I am sorry to hear that yet another blind student wishing to become a blindness professional has been affected by the low expectations that seem to pervade NIU. I have a friend who recently left that university for similar reasons and headed off to the Colorado Center for the Blind to restore confidence and build better blindness skills. If you want to get in touch with that student, perhaps you might consider contacting the Colorado Center for the Blind.

As much as I wanted to have a choice in where I went to graduate school for a master's in the blindness field (I studied O&M and Rehab Teaching), I didn't apply anywhere but the one university whose institute on blindness was set up specifically because blind students were not being given a fair opportunity anywhere else. That institute offers programs for the K-12 Teacher of Blind Students, as well as orientation and mobility and rehabilitation teaching. I think we should have a choice, but it's not much of a choice when only one orientation and mobility program believes that blind people can become orientation and mobility instructors. When graduates of well-known programs like those of Western Michigan or UMass Boston tell me that a blind person can't really be a mobility instructor, I am grateful that members of the National Federation of the Blind got involved many years ago and set up the program at Louisiana Tech.

I hope that you will stay close to the National Federation of the Blind because you do belong in your program and you do deserve to be treated equally.

Stay strong!

Justin

Justin M. Salisbury, MA, NOMC, NCRTB, NCUEB
Pre-Authorized Contribution Plan Coordinator
National Federation of the Blind of Hawaii
Email: President at Alumni.ECU.edu<mailto:President at alumni.ecu.edu>
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justin-salisbury

"Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire."

William Butler Yeats


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of wmodnl wmodnl via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 3:46 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Filing discrimination complaint re NIU TVI program with US Department of Education

You can also file with DOJ and Office of Civil Rights, OCR.


Sent from my iPad

On Jan 17, 2017, at 09:45, Cazares, Gabe via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

Zach,

If you have already filed a grievance with your school and are not satisfied with the results of that process, filing a complaint with the Office for Civil Rights in the U.S. Department of Education is certainly another option that is available to you. However, it is important to keep in mind that if the school has not completed its internal investigation as a result of your grievance, OCR will defer to them until that process has been fully completed.

I am happy to chat with you off-list about things you can do to move the process along.

...Gabe

Gabe Cazares
(410) 659-9314 x 2206
National Federation of the Blind

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 5:44 AM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Filing discrimination complaint re NIU TVI program with US Department of Education

Good morning  my name is Carlos Montas.  I am a vocational rehabilitation Counselor.  Please feel free to contact me off list.  I have a contact that may be able to assist you as your formal complaint moves through at ocr.  you can email me at carlos.montas at att.net<mailto:carlos.montas at att.net>  Sincerely,  Carlos Montas

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On Jan 17, 2017, at 2:54 AM, wmodnl wmodnl via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

I would, you went to a TVI program, one that should accommodate this population better. To all:
Umass Boston has the best program, I guarantee it. Umass Boston is inclusive all over, you'll love it, come for a visit, bigly it's great, it's great, you know whad I mean. Those others are a horrible disaster and failing miserably. File, file, and then seek out The University Of Massachusetts At Boston for a great inclusive education.


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On Jan 17, 2017, at 01:24, Zachary N. GriegoDreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

Hi all,
Happy new year. I flew all day to Chicago's O'Hare airport the other day from home and was starting to question why I was even coming back to Illinois for another semester after the appaling grade I got in classes I mentioned as being challenging and unpassable due to facing discrimination against all blind students last semester (fall 2016) to you in an earlier email. I had a good long time to think about this as I got further and further away from home, having the question of my voc rehab counsellor and many others of why I didn't transfer to somewhere back home if I'm not going to graduate with what I want to think about, and thought that my best course of action was to just complete the major I switched to after my email to you all last year was sent, especially considering that I can graduate with vocational rehab services undergrad major at the end of the 2017 fall semester. I'm frankly not satisfied with this, because this was planned for down the road, I could accomplish this major at a school much nearer home in an undergraduate path, and I came thousands miles to do the TVI program and am now at this point not even going to graduate with an education credencial. One of my friends suggested the other day that I am within my right to file a complaint to the department of education because a programa for TVIS teachers of visually impaired should most definitelya be accessible. I did file a complaint locally with the school as you guys suggested, but I am highly unsatisfied with how slowly it's progressing and am also highly disappointed in my current situation of being steered off a path that I really wanted to pursue. Nobody else around here has complained or is doing anything about it so I am going to and nobody can now disuade me. I'm not in Illinois just for any program and this is really upsetting that I'm having to do this and that other blind students attending the same program in hopes of the same degree just ran off into the distance and said nothing of it. I'd much rather this not b!
ecome a legal issue so my friend said the department of ed route will do it and would be much less likely to result in lawyers getting involved. I'm also doing this to try and help, NOT to do a lawsuit. Once the complaint has been received by the department of ed will someone (or a group of people) in NFB be able to please provide representation to guide the school and/or department of ed to make the program accessible? I have hope of returning to this program is something is done about it before December which is my currently scheduled graduation date. Thanks.

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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 22 06:40:11 2017
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 01:40:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Filing discrimination complaint re NIU TVI program
 with US Department of Education
In-Reply-To: <587db82b.e50b6b0a.138cd.0856@mx.google.com>
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Zach,

So what is your new major? Since you only have two semesters left, I can see 
why you chose to stay at this school.
I think you will do  fine in grad school. Not everyone has an education 
degree that goes to study to be a teacher of blind and vision impaired 
students.
I'm glad you tried to study it and plan to pursue being a teacher. We need 
more of them.

As for filing a complaint, you probably could do some good there. If you 
file a complaint, at least they will investigate the school on your behalf. 
As for NFB representation, that would be a question for Valerie at the 
national office.

Not all programs to teach teachers of blind and vision impaired students 
discriminate. I'm wondering what kept you at NIU  so long with this 
situation. You could have gone to another school to study either being a 
teacher of the visually impaired or someplace to get a general teaching 
degree.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Zachary N. GriegoDreicer via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 1:22 AM
To: iabs-talk at nfbnet.org ; il-talk at nfbnet.org ; nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Zachary N. GriegoDreicer
Subject: [nabs-l] Filing discrimination complaint re NIU TVI program with US 
Department of Education

Hi all,
   Happy new year. I flew all day to Chicago's O'Hare airport the other day 
from home and was starting to question why I was even coming back to 
Illinois for another semester after the appaling grade I got in classes I 
mentioned as being challenging and unpassable due to facing discrimination 
against all blind students last semester (fall 2016) to you in an earlier 
email. I had a good long time to think about this as I got further and 
further away from home, having the question of my voc rehab counsellor and 
many others of why I didn't transfer to somewhere back home if I'm not going 
to graduate with what I want to think about, and thought that my best course 
of action was to just complete the major I switched to after my email to you 
all last year was sent, especially considering that I can graduate with 
vocational rehab services undergrad major at the end of the 2017 fall 
semester. I'm frankly not satisfied with this, because this was planned for 
down the road, I could accomplish this major at a school much nearer home in 
an undergraduate path, and I came thousands miles to do the TVI program and 
am now at this point not even going to graduate with an education 
credencial. One of my friends suggested the other day that I am within my 
right to file a complaint to the department of education because a programa 
for TVIS teachers of visually impaired should most definitelya be 
accessible. I did file a complaint locally with the school as you guys 
suggested, but I am highly unsatisfied with how slowly it's progressing and 
am also highly disappointed in my current situation of being steered off a 
path that I really wanted to pursue. Nobody else around here has complained 
or is doing anything about it so I am going to and nobody can now disuade 
me. I'm not in Illinois just for any program and this is really upsetting 
that I'm having to do this and that other blind students attending the same 
program in hopes of the same degree just ran off into the distance and said 
nothing of it. I'd much rather this not become a legal issue so my friend 
said the department of ed route will do it and would be much less likely to 
result in lawyers getting involved. I'm also doing this to try and help, NOT 
to do a lawsuit. Once the complaint has been received by the department of 
ed will someone (or a group of people) in NFB be able to please provide 
representation to guide the school and/or department of ed to make the 
program accessible? I have hope of returning to this program is something is 
done about it before December which is my currently scheduled graduation 
date. Thanks.

Sent from my BrailleNote Touch
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 22 06:46:06 2017
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 01:46:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille
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Vejas,

Please share your experiences about the product when you get it. I assume 
you saw it at convention.
What made you decide to get it versus other new notetakers such as the 
Braille Note touch? It seems like the Touch and Neo braille do much the same 
thing. Although, I think the Neo braille can access more mainstream programs 
on the internet like drop box and even skype.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 10:24 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas
Subject: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille

Hi,
I just wanted to inform all of you who are considering obtaining
a Neo-Braille that I have found out yesterday that the release
date has been pushed back to the end of February, which explains
the limited discussion about it within the general public.  If
you go to the Irie AT website, and click on "contact us", you can
email to ask them to tell you when it's out, or ask them any
further questions.
Vejas

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From zdreicer at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 07:29:05 2017
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 01:29:05 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Filing discrimination complaint re NIU TVI program
 with US Department of Education
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Good morning Ashley, I changed my major to rehabilitation services, and I only stayed up here for a year until I figured out that I was not going to get anywhere in the TVI program. I am definitely going to continue the rehab majors at Louisiana Tech in a few years, at least that is the hope  right now… that way I can continue to go down the path of instruction of blind people, although it may not necessarily be students in the kindergarten through 12th grade, but rather adults

Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver

> On Jan 22, 2017, at 00:40, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Zach,
> 
> So what is your new major? Since you only have two semesters left, I can see why you chose to stay at this school.
> I think you will do  fine in grad school. Not everyone has an education degree that goes to study to be a teacher of blind and vision impaired students.
> I'm glad you tried to study it and plan to pursue being a teacher. We need more of them.
> 
> As for filing a complaint, you probably could do some good there. If you file a complaint, at least they will investigate the school on your behalf. As for NFB representation, that would be a question for Valerie at the national office.
> 
> Not all programs to teach teachers of blind and vision impaired students discriminate. I'm wondering what kept you at NIU  so long with this situation. You could have gone to another school to study either being a teacher of the visually impaired or someplace to get a general teaching degree.
> 
> Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
> 
> Ashley
> -----Original Message----- From: Zachary N. GriegoDreicer via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 1:22 AM
> To: iabs-talk at nfbnet.org ; il-talk at nfbnet.org ; nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Zachary N. GriegoDreicer
> Subject: [nabs-l] Filing discrimination complaint re NIU TVI program with US Department of Education
> 
> Hi all,
>  Happy new year. I flew all day to Chicago's O'Hare airport the other day from home and was starting to question why I was even coming back to Illinois for another semester after the appaling grade I got in classes I mentioned as being challenging and unpassable due to facing discrimination against all blind students last semester (fall 2016) to you in an earlier email. I had a good long time to think about this as I got further and further away from home, having the question of my voc rehab counsellor and many others of why I didn't transfer to somewhere back home if I'm not going to graduate with what I want to think about, and thought that my best course of action was to just complete the major I switched to after my email to you all last year was sent, especially considering that I can graduate with vocational rehab services undergrad major at the end of the 2017 fall semester. I'm frankly not satisfied with this, because this was planned for down the road, I could accomplish this major at a school much nearer home in an undergraduate path, and I came thousands miles to do the TVI program and am now at this point not even going to graduate with an education credencial. One of my friends suggested the other day that I am within my right to file a complaint to the department of education because a programa for TVIS teachers of visually impaired should most definitelya be accessible. I did file a complaint locally with the school as you guys suggested, but I am highly unsatisfied with how slowly it's progressing and am also highly disappointed in my current situation of being steered off a path that I really wanted to pursue. Nobody else around here has complained or is doing anything about it so I am going to and nobody can now disuade me. I'm not in Illinois just for any program and this is really upsetting that I'm having to do this and that other blind students attending the same program in hopes of the same degree just ran off into the distance and said nothing of it. I'd much rather this not become a legal issue so my friend said the department of ed route will do it and would be much less likely to result in lawyers getting involved. I'm also doing this to try and help, NOT to do a lawsuit. Once the complaint has been received by the department of ed will someone (or a group of people) in NFB be able to please provide representation to guide the school and/or department of ed to make the program accessible? I have hope of returning to this program is something is done about it before December which is my currently scheduled graduation date. Thanks.
> 
> Sent from my BrailleNote Touch
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From louvins at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 10:29:15 2017
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 04:29:15 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille
In-Reply-To: <3187DB4659B6415E88305FC4FB2D3CA3@OwnerPC>
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	<3187DB4659B6415E88305FC4FB2D3CA3@OwnerPC>
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Ashley.  You can also access skype and dropbox on the touch.  I
haven't tried it yet, but I hear that skype works very well on the
touch.

On 1/22/17, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Vejas,
>
> Please share your experiences about the product when you get it. I assume
> you saw it at convention.
> What made you decide to get it versus other new notetakers such as the
> Braille Note touch? It seems like the Touch and Neo braille do much the same
>
> thing. Although, I think the Neo braille can access more mainstream programs
>
> on the internet like drop box and even skype.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 10:24 AM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas
> Subject: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille
>
> Hi,
> I just wanted to inform all of you who are considering obtaining
> a Neo-Braille that I have found out yesterday that the release
> date has been pushed back to the end of February, which explains
> the limited discussion about it within the general public.  If
> you go to the Irie AT website, and click on "contact us", you can
> email to ask them to tell you when it's out, or ask them any
> further questions.
> Vejas
>
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 10:49:59 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 02:49:59 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille
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	<3187DB4659B6415E88305FC4FB2D3CA3@OwnerPC>
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Hi Ashley,
The main reason I want to get a Neo-Braille is because I am not a huge fan of Touch Braille. I prefer the feel of typing on a keyboard than a screen.
Vejas 

> On Jan 21, 2017, at 22:46, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Vejas,
> 
> Please share your experiences about the product when you get it. I assume you saw it at convention.
> What made you decide to get it versus other new notetakers such as the Braille Note touch? It seems like the Touch and Neo braille do much the same thing. Although, I think the Neo braille can access more mainstream programs on the internet like drop box and even skype.
> 
> Ashley
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 10:24 AM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas
> Subject: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille
> 
> Hi,
> I just wanted to inform all of you who are considering obtaining
> a Neo-Braille that I have found out yesterday that the release
> date has been pushed back to the end of February, which explains
> the limited discussion about it within the general public.  If
> you go to the Irie AT website, and click on "contact us", you can
> email to ask them to tell you when it's out, or ask them any
> further questions.
> Vejas
> 
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From louvins at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 10:55:09 2017
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 04:55:09 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille
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	<3187DB4659B6415E88305FC4FB2D3CA3@OwnerPC>
	<B6400CCC-EAEF-42B5-AA90-87A27131F732@gmail.com>
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Well.  Just because you have a braille note touch, doesn't mean you
have to use touch braille if you don't want to.  There is a physical
Perkins keyboard that is built into the case you get with your touch.
I'm looking forward to seeing if I like touch braille or not.

On 1/22/17, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Ashley,
> The main reason I want to get a Neo-Braille is because I am not a huge fan
> of Touch Braille. I prefer the feel of typing on a keyboard than a screen.
> Vejas
>
>> On Jan 21, 2017, at 22:46, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Vejas,
>>
>> Please share your experiences about the product when you get it. I assume
>> you saw it at convention.
>> What made you decide to get it versus other new notetakers such as the
>> Braille Note touch? It seems like the Touch and Neo braille do much the
>> same thing. Although, I think the Neo braille can access more mainstream
>> programs on the internet like drop box and even skype.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 10:24 AM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille
>>
>> Hi,
>> I just wanted to inform all of you who are considering obtaining
>> a Neo-Braille that I have found out yesterday that the release
>> date has been pushed back to the end of February, which explains
>> the limited discussion about it within the general public.  If
>> you go to the Irie AT website, and click on "contact us", you can
>> email to ask them to tell you when it's out, or ask them any
>> further questions.
>> Vejas
>>
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From martinsteph2010 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 22 12:25:53 2017
From: martinsteph2010 at yahoo.com (Stephanie Martin)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 06:25:53 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Filing discrimination complaint re NIU TVI program
 with US Department of Education
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Hi Zach,
You can still pursue a graduate degree from Louisiana Tech as a Teacher of Blind students even if you do not have an undergraduate degree in teaching. I am a recent graduate in the MAT program to be a teacher of blind students and also received my NOMC as well. I highly recommend the program for everyone, if you have an undergrad in teaching or not. 

Thanks, 
Stephanie Martin
MAT TVI NCUEB
Phone: 504-982-7452
Work email: Stephanie.martin at lincolnschools.com
Personal email: martinsteph2010 at yahoo.com

> On Jan 22, 2017, at 1:29 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good morning Ashley, I changed my major to rehabilitation services, and I only stayed up here for a year until I figured out that I was not going to get anywhere in the TVI program. I am definitely going to continue the rehab majors at Louisiana Tech in a few years, at least that is the hope  right now… that way I can continue to go down the path of instruction of blind people, although it may not necessarily be students in the kindergarten through 12th grade, but rather adults
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
> 
>> On Jan 22, 2017, at 00:40, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Zach,
>> 
>> So what is your new major? Since you only have two semesters left, I can see why you chose to stay at this school.
>> I think you will do  fine in grad school. Not everyone has an education degree that goes to study to be a teacher of blind and vision impaired students.
>> I'm glad you tried to study it and plan to pursue being a teacher. We need more of them.
>> 
>> As for filing a complaint, you probably could do some good there. If you file a complaint, at least they will investigate the school on your behalf. As for NFB representation, that would be a question for Valerie at the national office.
>> 
>> Not all programs to teach teachers of blind and vision impaired students discriminate. I'm wondering what kept you at NIU  so long with this situation. You could have gone to another school to study either being a teacher of the visually impaired or someplace to get a general teaching degree.
>> 
>> Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
>> 
>> Ashley
>> -----Original Message----- From: Zachary N. GriegoDreicer via NABS-L
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 1:22 AM
>> To: iabs-talk at nfbnet.org ; il-talk at nfbnet.org ; nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Zachary N. GriegoDreicer
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Filing discrimination complaint re NIU TVI program with US Department of Education
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> Happy new year. I flew all day to Chicago's O'Hare airport the other day from home and was starting to question why I was even coming back to Illinois for another semester after the appaling grade I got in classes I mentioned as being challenging and unpassable due to facing discrimination against all blind students last semester (fall 2016) to you in an earlier email. I had a good long time to think about this as I got further and further away from home, having the question of my voc rehab counsellor and many others of why I didn't transfer to somewhere back home if I'm not going to graduate with what I want to think about, and thought that my best course of action was to just complete the major I switched to after my email to you all last year was sent, especially considering that I can graduate with vocational rehab services undergrad major at the end of the 2017 fall semester. I'm frankly not satisfied with this, because this was planned for down the road, I could accomplish this major at a school much nearer home in an undergraduate path, and I came thousands miles to do the TVI program and am now at this point not even going to graduate with an education credencial. One of my friends suggested the other day that I am within my right to file a complaint to the department of education because a programa for TVIS teachers of visually impaired should most definitelya be accessible. I did file a complaint locally with the school as you guys suggested, but I am highly unsatisfied with how slowly it's progressing and am also highly disappointed in my current situation of being steered off a path that I really wanted to pursue. Nobody else around here has complained or is doing anything about it so I am going to and nobody can now disuade me. I'm not in Illinois just for any program and this is really upsetting that I'm having to do this and that other blind students attending the same program in hopes of the same degree just ran off into the distance and said nothing of it. I'd much rather this not become a legal issue so my friend said the department of ed route will do it and would be much less likely to result in lawyers getting involved. I'm also doing this to try and help, NOT to do a lawsuit. Once the complaint has been received by the department of ed will someone (or a group of people) in NFB be able to please provide representation to guide the school and/or department of ed to make the program accessible? I have hope of returning to this program is something is done about it before December which is my currently scheduled graduation date. Thanks.
>> 
>> Sent from my BrailleNote Touch
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From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Sun Jan 22 12:44:47 2017
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 12:44:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille
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The Touch has a keyboard and works with dropbox, Skype as well as many other apps. 
Someon can use touch braille but does not have to.



On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 5:50 AM -0500, "Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:










Hi Ashley,
The main reason I want to get a Neo-Braille is because I am not a huge fan of Touch Braille. I prefer the feel of typing on a keyboard than a screen.
Vejas 

> On Jan 21, 2017, at 22:46, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L  wrote:
> 
> Vejas,
> 
> Please share your experiences about the product when you get it. I assume you saw it at convention.
> What made you decide to get it versus other new notetakers such as the Braille Note touch? It seems like the Touch and Neo braille do much the same thing. Although, I think the Neo braille can access more mainstream programs on the internet like drop box and even skype.
> 
> Ashley
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 10:24 AM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas
> Subject: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille
> 
> Hi,
> I just wanted to inform all of you who are considering obtaining
> a Neo-Braille that I have found out yesterday that the release
> date has been pushed back to the end of February, which explains
> the limited discussion about it within the general public.  If
> you go to the Irie AT website, and click on "contact us", you can
> email to ask them to tell you when it's out, or ask them any
> further questions.
> Vejas
> 
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 14:57:22 2017
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 09:57:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille
Message-ID: <5884c887.0b04370a.cbb67.58a4@mx.google.com>

My understanding is that the keyboard case doubles the weight of 
the device, and I've seen lots of people complaining that it 
doesn't keep up when you're typing quickly.  Also, until there's 
a QWERTY version of one of these new devices, they can pry my 
Apex out of my cold dead hands.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Hendrickson via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 04:55:09 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille

Well.  Just because you have a braille note touch, doesn't mean 
you
have to use touch braille if you don't want to.  There is a 
physical
Perkins keyboard that is built into the case you get with your 
touch.
I'm looking forward to seeing if I like touch braille or not.

On 1/22/17, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
wrote:
 Hi Ashley,
 The main reason I want to get a Neo-Braille is because I am not 
a huge fan
 of Touch Braille. I prefer the feel of typing on a keyboard than 
a screen.
 Vejas

 On Jan 21, 2017, at 22:46, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 wrote:

 Vejas,

 Please share your experiences about the product when you get it. 
I assume
 you saw it at convention.
 What made you decide to get it versus other new notetakers such 
as the
 Braille Note touch? It seems like the Touch and Neo braille do 
much the
 same thing. Although, I think the Neo braille can access more 
mainstream
 programs on the internet like drop box and even skype.

 Ashley

 -----Original Message----- From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
 Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 10:24 AM
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas
 Subject: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille

 Hi,
 I just wanted to inform all of you who are considering obtaining
 a Neo-Braille that I have found out yesterday that the release
 date has been pushed back to the end of February, which explains
 the limited discussion about it within the general public.  If
 you go to the Irie AT website, and click on "contact us", you 
can
 email to ask them to tell you when it's out, or ask them any
 further questions.
 Vejas

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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 14:57:24 2017
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 09:57:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille
Message-ID: <5884c889.0b04370a.cbb67.58a6@mx.google.com>

IN addition to having a built in keyboard not a case and probably 
not having the problems people have been reporting with the Touch 
unlocking itself when it's in a bag, the Neobraille runs a much 
newer version of Android.  My recollection from talking to both 
companies at convention is also that the Neobraille has better 
storage and processing speed, though I don't remember the exact 
numbers.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 01:46:06 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille

Vejas,

Please share your experiences about the product when you get it. 
I assume
you saw it at convention.
What made you decide to get it versus other new notetakers such 
as the
Braille Note touch? It seems like the Touch and Neo braille do 
much the same
thing. Although, I think the Neo braille can access more 
mainstream programs
on the internet like drop box and even skype.

Ashley

-----Original Message-----
From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 10:24 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas
Subject: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille

Hi,
I just wanted to inform all of you who are considering obtaining
a Neo-Braille that I have found out yesterday that the release
date has been pushed back to the end of February, which explains
the limited discussion about it within the general public.  If
you go to the Irie AT website, and click on "contact us", you can
email to ask them to tell you when it's out, or ask them any
further questions.
Vejas

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From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 16:58:17 2017
From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 11:58:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Android users question
Message-ID: <009101d274d0$baeab810$30c02830$@gmail.com>

Hey guys, 

I own two android devices. My tablet which is a galaxy note pro 12.2 and my
phone which is an LG g5. I was wondering if there were any more users out
there. What do you run? Also, do you find flicking or moving your finger
around the screen easier? How do you learn new apps? Do you keep the screen
dark or not? 

 

Thanks,

Aaron Linson 

CEO Blind Faith Project <http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject> 

CEO Linson Productions

 

Aaron Linson 

 


From robin-melvin at comcast.net  Sun Jan 22 17:04:59 2017
From: robin-melvin at comcast.net (Robin)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 09:04:59 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Android users question
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Yes
A Samsung GalaxyS6Edge
A Pixel ByGoogle
2013 GoogleNexus7
At 08:58 AM 1/22/2017, you wrote:
>Hey guys,
>
>I own two android devices. My tablet which is a galaxy note pro 12.2 and my
>phone which is an LG g5. I was wondering if there were any more users out
>there. What do you run? Also, do you find flicking or moving your finger
>around the screen easier? How do you learn new apps? Do you keep the screen
>dark or not?
>
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Aaron Linson
>
>CEO Blind Faith Project <http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject>
>
>CEO Linson Productions
>
>
>
>Aaron Linson
>
>
>
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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 17:21:36 2017
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster, NABS President)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 12:21:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] REMINDER: Washington Seminar call tonight, Sunday,
 January 22, at 8pm eastern
Message-ID: <05c801d274d3$fd33fd50$f79bf7f0$@gmail.com>

Happy Sunday, all:

 

                I look forward to joining you tonight on our January
membership call.

We will be welcoming our national governmental affairs team to further
discuss our legislative priorities for 2017. It is critical that we all come
with eagerness to fully understand our issues. Most importantly, regardless
if you will be joining us next week on Capitol Hill, it is necessary for
each of us to understand the legislative agenda items we are pushing for
throughout the year.

 

I encourage each of you to call in tonight at 8pm eastern.

 

To call:

Dial 605-475-6700;

  Access code: 7869673.

 

Talk soon,

Kathryn Webster

President | national Association of Blind Students

A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind


From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 22 19:43:56 2017
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 19:43:56 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About Connect Math and Math Reader
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Hello Vejas,

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my message. The suggestions you offer in this email sound like good ideas. Unfortunately, since I was not able to find a way to gain access to the course materials for my math class before the drop deadline last weekend, I felt like I had no other choice but to drop my math class. I simply cannot afford to take a class if I am not able to pass it, and the disabilities office was not willing to work with me so I could receive the accommodations I needed for this particular class.

I really like the idea of the disabilities office asking the various departments to find readers. This sounds like a good policy. However, my college does not do this. Instead, they hire their own readers by advertising their positions in the same manner as any other student job on campus.

I also like the idea of finding and using my own readers. However, I am currently not in a position to be able to pay readers out of my own pocket. And I simply did not have enough time to advertise and hire a volunteer reader before the drop deadline last weekend. And even if I could have found a volunteer reader for this class, I still would have needed to convince the disabilities office to let me use this reader, especially for tests and exams. Since the disabilities office was rather adamant that the person they provided me was the one and only reader I could use for this class, I was not quite sure how well I would have been able to successfully argue for the use of my own reader for this class.

Anyway, I appreciate your suggestions. I wish I could have been able to apply these suggestions to my situation. Instead, I felt like I had no other choice but to drop my math class this semester, and since the disabilities office does not appear to want to work with me, I am not completely sure what to do to complete my math requirement for my degree.

Thanks,
Elizabeth


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 9:53 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Questions About Connect Math and Math Reader

Hi Elizabeth,
I'm going to be starting my math course today.
I can't assist you with Math-Connect, as I have never had experience it.
As for your reader question: in my disability services office, although I have not yet had experience with my reader, they pick by department.  So for example if it ever came down to me needing a reader in Spanish, they would go to the Spanish d"partment, meaning that they would get someone who is familiar with the language.  If I for some reason will not work well with a particular reader, then I would try another one.  Have your disability services told you if their system works similarly?
Your Disability Services sounds unsupportive, and finding a reader off them may not be the best course of action.  You could also try asking around.  You could write up some flyers and put them all over the school, and then you could interview them.
As an aside, if you do decide to try to get a reader with DSS, be prepared for them to ask you on the spot before meeting the reader what time you will want to work with the reader (which I can appreciate that, given all other classes and activities, can be difficult to know initially) Vejas


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 13:19:36 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About Connect Math and Math Reader

Hello All,

I currently do not have the time to go into too much detail regarding my situation.  However, I have a few questions about being able to gain access to the course materials used for my math class.

First, does anyone know if there is any way to be able to gain access to the Connect Math online platform using either JAWS or NVDA? I have tried using JAWS on an older desktop computer I have at home, and the website was pretty much useless to me.  However, I know my computer is a bit old, and so this may be part of my problem.  I have not had the chance to try Connect Math on the few computers on campus that have JAWS installed on them to see if it works on the computers on campus.  I have not had a chance to test the Connect Math website with NVDA, but this would be an option for me as well.

However, I have been told that the Connect Math online platform is not accessible using a screen reader.  So I am not quite sure how effective it is for me to find a screen reader to use with this platform.  The last time I took a math class, I used a reader for my class.  Since this worked well for me before, I thought it would work well for me  again.  However, when I used a reader in the past, the reader had a lot of experience working as a reader, and was fluent and  efficient in being able to read and write the math material for me.

However, that was quite some time ago, and things have changed a bit since then.  The current reader I have been given for my math class by the disabilities office is a new reader.  In addition, she has not taken the math class I am currently trying to take, and stated that she is not good at math when I was trying to work with her during my first class period the other day.

When I tried explaining to the disabilities office the importance of having a math reader who is knowledgeable and fluent in math, they made the assumption that I was expecting my reader to be able to explain things to me as a tutor.  However, this is not what I am expecting from my reader.  I simply want someone who can read and write the course material in a smooth efficient manner as my time working with this person is limited to a certain amount of time.  However, the people in the disabilities office could not and did not appear to want to understand why this would be important to me.

My meeting with the disabilities office turned into a rather rude and hostile meeting where I was told that I had absolutely no say in whether or not the reader that was assigned to work with me was efficient and effective in providing me with equal access to the course material.  It felt as though they were simply dictating what accommodations I could use and that would work best for me while personally attacking me and accusing me of making accusations that had absolutely nothing to do with my accommodations.  It felt as though they were not interested in listening to me or help me find a solution that would work best for me.

So now that I have rambled, I am wondering if anyone knows how I could use a screen reader with the Connect Math online platform as well as help me find a way to explain to the disabilities office the importance of having a math reader who is knowledgeable and fluent in math.  I am currently not on any of the math or science email lists.  So if anyone on any of these lists would want to forward this email to those email lists, I would greatly appreciate it.  It is only the beginning of the semester, but with all this stress of trying to figure out how to work with the disabilities office, it feels more like the last week of classes rather than the first week of classes.

Anyway, any positive support or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Elizabeth
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From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 20:41:43 2017
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 15:41:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Android users question
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I am a user of android. I have both is Sam song tablet not quite sure what kind of tablet and I also have an LG G3 phone. I do not keep the screen dark as I can see a little bit. Are used top back I am not quite sure what you mean by how do I find apps. I generally use a one finger swipe or just tap the apps that I see on the screen. 
Nesma

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> On Jan 22, 2017, at 12:04, Robin via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Yes
> A Samsung GalaxyS6Edge
> A Pixel ByGoogle
> 2013 GoogleNexus7
> At 08:58 AM 1/22/2017, you wrote:
>> Hey guys,
>> 
>> I own two android devices. My tablet which is a galaxy note pro 12.2 and my
>> phone which is an LG g5. I was wondering if there were any more users out
>> there. What do you run? Also, do you find flicking or moving your finger
>> around the screen easier? How do you learn new apps? Do you keep the screen
>> dark or not?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Aaron Linson
>> 
>> CEO Blind Faith Project <http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject>
>> 
>> CEO Linson Productions
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Aaron Linson
>> 
>> 
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From chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 22 20:43:58 2017
From: chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com (chelsea peahl)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 20:43:58 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About Connect Math and Math Reader
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Hi Elizabeth,
I'm sorry that you are having such difficulty with math. I don't know what your degree is, but at my university, sometimes you can take another class to make up for Math. I'd talk to your disabilities office and see if that's an option for you.
Also, if you don't feel like you are getting adequate service from your disabilities office, try to get a councilor change! Sometimes that can be extremely helpful!
Hope that was helpful to your situation!

Chelsea Peahl

> On Jan 22, 2017, at 12:45 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Vejas,
> 
> Thank you for taking the time to respond to my message. The suggestions you offer in this email sound like good ideas. Unfortunately, since I was not able to find a way to gain access to the course materials for my math class before the drop deadline last weekend, I felt like I had no other choice but to drop my math class. I simply cannot afford to take a class if I am not able to pass it, and the disabilities office was not willing to work with me so I could receive the accommodations I needed for this particular class.
> 
> I really like the idea of the disabilities office asking the various departments to find readers. This sounds like a good policy. However, my college does not do this. Instead, they hire their own readers by advertising their positions in the same manner as any other student job on campus.
> 
> I also like the idea of finding and using my own readers. However, I am currently not in a position to be able to pay readers out of my own pocket. And I simply did not have enough time to advertise and hire a volunteer reader before the drop deadline last weekend. And even if I could have found a volunteer reader for this class, I still would have needed to convince the disabilities office to let me use this reader, especially for tests and exams. Since the disabilities office was rather adamant that the person they provided me was the one and only reader I could use for this class, I was not quite sure how well I would have been able to successfully argue for the use of my own reader for this class.
> 
> Anyway, I appreciate your suggestions. I wish I could have been able to apply these suggestions to my situation. Instead, I felt like I had no other choice but to drop my math class this semester, and since the disabilities office does not appear to want to work with me, I am not completely sure what to do to complete my math requirement for my degree.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 9:53 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Questions About Connect Math and Math Reader
> 
> Hi Elizabeth,
> I'm going to be starting my math course today.
> I can't assist you with Math-Connect, as I have never had experience it.
> As for your reader question: in my disability services office, although I have not yet had experience with my reader, they pick by department.  So for example if it ever came down to me needing a reader in Spanish, they would go to the Spanish d"partment, meaning that they would get someone who is familiar with the language.  If I for some reason will not work well with a particular reader, then I would try another one.  Have your disability services told you if their system works similarly?
> Your Disability Services sounds unsupportive, and finding a reader off them may not be the best course of action.  You could also try asking around.  You could write up some flyers and put them all over the school, and then you could interview them.
> As an aside, if you do decide to try to get a reader with DSS, be prepared for them to ask you on the spot before meeting the reader what time you will want to work with the reader (which I can appreciate that, given all other classes and activities, can be difficult to know initially) Vejas
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 13:19:36 +0000
> Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About Connect Math and Math Reader
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I currently do not have the time to go into too much detail regarding my situation.  However, I have a few questions about being able to gain access to the course materials used for my math class.
> 
> First, does anyone know if there is any way to be able to gain access to the Connect Math online platform using either JAWS or NVDA? I have tried using JAWS on an older desktop computer I have at home, and the website was pretty much useless to me.  However, I know my computer is a bit old, and so this may be part of my problem.  I have not had the chance to try Connect Math on the few computers on campus that have JAWS installed on them to see if it works on the computers on campus.  I have not had a chance to test the Connect Math website with NVDA, but this would be an option for me as well.
> 
> However, I have been told that the Connect Math online platform is not accessible using a screen reader.  So I am not quite sure how effective it is for me to find a screen reader to use with this platform.  The last time I took a math class, I used a reader for my class.  Since this worked well for me before, I thought it would work well for me  again.  However, when I used a reader in the past, the reader had a lot of experience working as a reader, and was fluent and  efficient in being able to read and write the math material for me.
> 
> However, that was quite some time ago, and things have changed a bit since then.  The current reader I have been given for my math class by the disabilities office is a new reader.  In addition, she has not taken the math class I am currently trying to take, and stated that she is not good at math when I was trying to work with her during my first class period the other day.
> 
> When I tried explaining to the disabilities office the importance of having a math reader who is knowledgeable and fluent in math, they made the assumption that I was expecting my reader to be able to explain things to me as a tutor.  However, this is not what I am expecting from my reader.  I simply want someone who can read and write the course material in a smooth efficient manner as my time working with this person is limited to a certain amount of time.  However, the people in the disabilities office could not and did not appear to want to understand why this would be important to me.
> 
> My meeting with the disabilities office turned into a rather rude and hostile meeting where I was told that I had absolutely no say in whether or not the reader that was assigned to work with me was efficient and effective in providing me with equal access to the course material.  It felt as though they were simply dictating what accommodations I could use and that would work best for me while personally attacking me and accusing me of making accusations that had absolutely nothing to do with my accommodations.  It felt as though they were not interested in listening to me or help me find a solution that would work best for me.
> 
> So now that I have rambled, I am wondering if anyone knows how I could use a screen reader with the Connect Math online platform as well as help me find a way to explain to the disabilities office the importance of having a math reader who is knowledgeable and fluent in math.  I am currently not on any of the math or science email lists.  So if anyone on any of these lists would want to forward this email to those email lists, I would greatly appreciate it.  It is only the beginning of the semester, but with all this stress of trying to figure out how to work with the disabilities office, it feels more like the last week of classes rather than the first week of classes.
> 
> Anyway, any positive support or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 21:29:36 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 13:29:36 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About Connect Math and Math Reader
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Hi Elizabeth,
I think it makes sense that you dropped the course this semester due to all of the issues you described.
Are you a client of the Department of Rehab? I think that they are supposed to provide readers if DSS will not. 
I don't know if you would need the approval of DSS to get a volunteer reader. I took a college readiness class  at LCB and they really encouraged people to use readers outside DSS.
As for finding volunteer readers, a good place where people might be able to get them is church. They are all about giving and the community, and I'm sure that they wouldn't mind. You could even start interviewing some of them now to see how they read.
Vejas 

> On Jan 22, 2017, at 11:43, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Vejas,
> 
> Thank you for taking the time to respond to my message. The suggestions you offer in this email sound like good ideas. Unfortunately, since I was not able to find a way to gain access to the course materials for my math class before the drop deadline last weekend, I felt like I had no other choice but to drop my math class. I simply cannot afford to take a class if I am not able to pass it, and the disabilities office was not willing to work with me so I could receive the accommodations I needed for this particular class.
> 
> I really like the idea of the disabilities office asking the various departments to find readers. This sounds like a good policy. However, my college does not do this. Instead, they hire their own readers by advertising their positions in the same manner as any other student job on campus.
> 
> I also like the idea of finding and using my own readers. However, I am currently not in a position to be able to pay readers out of my own pocket. And I simply did not have enough time to advertise and hire a volunteer reader before the drop deadline last weekend. And even if I could have found a volunteer reader for this class, I still would have needed to convince the disabilities office to let me use this reader, especially for tests and exams. Since the disabilities office was rather adamant that the person they provided me was the one and only reader I could use for this class, I was not quite sure how well I would have been able to successfully argue for the use of my own reader for this class.
> 
> Anyway, I appreciate your suggestions. I wish I could have been able to apply these suggestions to my situation. Instead, I felt like I had no other choice but to drop my math class this semester, and since the disabilities office does not appear to want to work with me, I am not completely sure what to do to complete my math requirement for my degree.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 9:53 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Questions About Connect Math and Math Reader
> 
> Hi Elizabeth,
> I'm going to be starting my math course today.
> I can't assist you with Math-Connect, as I have never had experience it.
> As for your reader question: in my disability services office, although I have not yet had experience with my reader, they pick by department.  So for example if it ever came down to me needing a reader in Spanish, they would go to the Spanish d"partment, meaning that they would get someone who is familiar with the language.  If I for some reason will not work well with a particular reader, then I would try another one.  Have your disability services told you if their system works similarly?
> Your Disability Services sounds unsupportive, and finding a reader off them may not be the best course of action.  You could also try asking around.  You could write up some flyers and put them all over the school, and then you could interview them.
> As an aside, if you do decide to try to get a reader with DSS, be prepared for them to ask you on the spot before meeting the reader what time you will want to work with the reader (which I can appreciate that, given all other classes and activities, can be difficult to know initially) Vejas
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 13:19:36 +0000
> Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About Connect Math and Math Reader
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I currently do not have the time to go into too much detail regarding my situation.  However, I have a few questions about being able to gain access to the course materials used for my math class.
> 
> First, does anyone know if there is any way to be able to gain access to the Connect Math online platform using either JAWS or NVDA? I have tried using JAWS on an older desktop computer I have at home, and the website was pretty much useless to me.  However, I know my computer is a bit old, and so this may be part of my problem.  I have not had the chance to try Connect Math on the few computers on campus that have JAWS installed on them to see if it works on the computers on campus.  I have not had a chance to test the Connect Math website with NVDA, but this would be an option for me as well.
> 
> However, I have been told that the Connect Math online platform is not accessible using a screen reader.  So I am not quite sure how effective it is for me to find a screen reader to use with this platform.  The last time I took a math class, I used a reader for my class.  Since this worked well for me before, I thought it would work well for me  again.  However, when I used a reader in the past, the reader had a lot of experience working as a reader, and was fluent and  efficient in being able to read and write the math material for me.
> 
> However, that was quite some time ago, and things have changed a bit since then.  The current reader I have been given for my math class by the disabilities office is a new reader.  In addition, she has not taken the math class I am currently trying to take, and stated that she is not good at math when I was trying to work with her during my first class period the other day.
> 
> When I tried explaining to the disabilities office the importance of having a math reader who is knowledgeable and fluent in math, they made the assumption that I was expecting my reader to be able to explain things to me as a tutor.  However, this is not what I am expecting from my reader.  I simply want someone who can read and write the course material in a smooth efficient manner as my time working with this person is limited to a certain amount of time.  However, the people in the disabilities office could not and did not appear to want to understand why this would be important to me.
> 
> My meeting with the disabilities office turned into a rather rude and hostile meeting where I was told that I had absolutely no say in whether or not the reader that was assigned to work with me was efficient and effective in providing me with equal access to the course material.  It felt as though they were simply dictating what accommodations I could use and that would work best for me while personally attacking me and accusing me of making accusations that had absolutely nothing to do with my accommodations.  It felt as though they were not interested in listening to me or help me find a solution that would work best for me.
> 
> So now that I have rambled, I am wondering if anyone knows how I could use a screen reader with the Connect Math online platform as well as help me find a way to explain to the disabilities office the importance of having a math reader who is knowledgeable and fluent in math.  I am currently not on any of the math or science email lists.  So if anyone on any of these lists would want to forward this email to those email lists, I would greatly appreciate it.  It is only the beginning of the semester, but with all this stress of trying to figure out how to work with the disabilities office, it feels more like the last week of classes rather than the first week of classes.
> 
> Anyway, any positive support or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 22 23:37:46 2017
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 18:37:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille
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Vejas,

Is that all? Have you seen a braille note touch? The touch has a perkins 
style  keyboard on its case like past braille notes. I just saw it recently 
and I did not even know where the touch screen was until they told and 
showed me. The cover lifts up and reveals a touch screen underneath.
Like you, I like the actual keyboard more.

The neo braille sounds nice and I look forward to your comments upon 
receiving yours. Did you order it yet?

Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:49 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille

Hi Ashley,
The main reason I want to get a Neo-Braille is because I am not a huge fan 
of Touch Braille. I prefer the feel of typing on a keyboard than a screen.
Vejas

> On Jan 21, 2017, at 22:46, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
> wrote:
>
> Vejas,
>
> Please share your experiences about the product when you get it. I assume 
> you saw it at convention.
> What made you decide to get it versus other new notetakers such as the 
> Braille Note touch? It seems like the Touch and Neo braille do much the 
> same thing. Although, I think the Neo braille can access more mainstream 
> programs on the internet like drop box and even skype.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 10:24 AM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas
> Subject: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille
>
> Hi,
> I just wanted to inform all of you who are considering obtaining
> a Neo-Braille that I have found out yesterday that the release
> date has been pushed back to the end of February, which explains
> the limited discussion about it within the general public.  If
> you go to the Irie AT website, and click on "contact us", you can
> email to ask them to tell you when it's out, or ask them any
> further questions.
> Vejas
>
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From beckyasabo at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 23:40:49 2017
From: beckyasabo at gmail.com (Rebecca Sabo)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 16:40:49 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Android users question
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Hi 
I am a accessable tester testing apps for iOS and android .  I was wondering if there was a list serve for android users ?
Becky Sabo 
> On Jan 22, 2017, at 10:04 AM, Robin via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Yes
> A Samsung GalaxyS6Edge
> A Pixel ByGoogle
> 2013 GoogleNexus7
> At 08:58 AM 1/22/2017, you wrote:
>> Hey guys,
>> 
>> I own two android devices. My tablet which is a galaxy note pro 12.2 and my
>> phone which is an LG g5. I was wondering if there were any more users out
>> there. What do you run? Also, do you find flicking or moving your finger
>> around the screen easier? How do you learn new apps? Do you keep the screen
>> dark or not?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Aaron Linson
>> 
>> CEO Blind Faith Project <http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject>
>> 
>> CEO Linson Productions
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Aaron Linson
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 22 23:45:35 2017
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 18:45:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille
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Carl,
True. The Braille note touch runs an old version of android and the neo 
braille runs lollypop, the newest version. No, I do not have an android 
tablet, in case you wondered, but I know the latest version name.

I also read online that the neo braille has more storage and processing 
speed.
I think it can go on youtube as well as read powerpoint files and excel 
files.
When I can afford one, I'd get the neo braille, although I do not want to be 
one of the first to get it. I'll wait a few years for them to refine it and 
get rid of the bugs.
Great points Carl. Are you going to get a neo Braille?

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 9:57 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Karl Martin Adam
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille

IN addition to having a built in keyboard not a case and probably
not having the problems people have been reporting with the Touch
unlocking itself when it's in a bag, the Neobraille runs a much
newer version of Android.  My recollection from talking to both
companies at convention is also that the Neobraille has better
storage and processing speed, though I don't remember the exact
numbers.

----- Original Message -----
From: Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 01:46:06 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille

Vejas,

Please share your experiences about the product when you get it.
I assume
you saw it at convention.
What made you decide to get it versus other new notetakers such
as the
Braille Note touch? It seems like the Touch and Neo braille do
much the same
thing. Although, I think the Neo braille can access more
mainstream programs
on the internet like drop box and even skype.

Ashley

-----Original Message-----
From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 10:24 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas
Subject: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille

Hi,
I just wanted to inform all of you who are considering obtaining
a Neo-Braille that I have found out yesterday that the release
date has been pushed back to the end of February, which explains
the limited discussion about it within the general public.  If
you go to the Irie AT website, and click on "contact us", you can
email to ask them to tell you when it's out, or ask them any
further questions.
Vejas

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From royal.shakita at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 23:58:57 2017
From: royal.shakita at gmail.com (royal.shakita at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 18:58:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille
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What is the name of the braille display that NFB was discussing at the convention? If I remember correctly, the price range  was going to be about $500. 

From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 00:23:03 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 16:23:03 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille
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Hi Ashley,
I haven't ordered it yet, because I want to give it a little time once it is out to see what other people think and because it comes out next month. The reason I do not want a Touch is because, as Karl stated, the keyboard has extra weight, whereas the Neo-Braille has a built-in keyboard you can't remove. 
Vejas 


> On Jan 22, 2017, at 15:37, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Vejas,
> 
> Is that all? Have you seen a braille note touch? The touch has a perkins style  keyboard on its case like past braille notes. I just saw it recently and I did not even know where the touch screen was until they told and showed me. The cover lifts up and reveals a touch screen underneath.
> Like you, I like the actual keyboard more.
> 
> The neo braille sounds nice and I look forward to your comments upon receiving yours. Did you order it yet?
> 
> Ashley
> -----Original Message----- From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:49 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille
> 
> Hi Ashley,
> The main reason I want to get a Neo-Braille is because I am not a huge fan of Touch Braille. I prefer the feel of typing on a keyboard than a screen.
> Vejas
> 
>> On Jan 21, 2017, at 22:46, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Vejas,
>> 
>> Please share your experiences about the product when you get it. I assume you saw it at convention.
>> What made you decide to get it versus other new notetakers such as the Braille Note touch? It seems like the Touch and Neo braille do much the same thing. Although, I think the Neo braille can access more mainstream programs on the internet like drop box and even skype.
>> 
>> Ashley
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 10:24 AM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I just wanted to inform all of you who are considering obtaining
>> a Neo-Braille that I have found out yesterday that the release
>> date has been pushed back to the end of February, which explains
>> the limited discussion about it within the general public.  If
>> you go to the Irie AT website, and click on "contact us", you can
>> email to ask them to tell you when it's out, or ask them any
>> further questions.
>> Vejas
>> 
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 00:25:15 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 16:25:15 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille
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Ashley,
Your Department of Rehab might be able to get one for you. They are about 4995 dollars. I  plan to wait a few months as opposed to years, because I'd like to get a device that has more support. I'm guessing in a year or so support for the Apex will go down.
Vejas 

> On Jan 22, 2017, at 15:45, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Carl,
> True. The Braille note touch runs an old version of android and the neo braille runs lollypop, the newest version. No, I do not have an android tablet, in case you wondered, but I know the latest version name.
> 
> I also read online that the neo braille has more storage and processing speed.
> I think it can go on youtube as well as read powerpoint files and excel files.
> When I can afford one, I'd get the neo braille, although I do not want to be one of the first to get it. I'll wait a few years for them to refine it and get rid of the bugs.
> Great points Carl. Are you going to get a neo Braille?
> 
> Ashley
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 9:57 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Karl Martin Adam
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille
> 
> IN addition to having a built in keyboard not a case and probably
> not having the problems people have been reporting with the Touch
> unlocking itself when it's in a bag, the Neobraille runs a much
> newer version of Android.  My recollection from talking to both
> companies at convention is also that the Neobraille has better
> storage and processing speed, though I don't remember the exact
> numbers.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 01:46:06 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille
> 
> Vejas,
> 
> Please share your experiences about the product when you get it.
> I assume
> you saw it at convention.
> What made you decide to get it versus other new notetakers such
> as the
> Braille Note touch? It seems like the Touch and Neo braille do
> much the same
> thing. Although, I think the Neo braille can access more
> mainstream programs
> on the internet like drop box and even skype.
> 
> Ashley
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 10:24 AM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas
> Subject: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille
> 
> Hi,
> I just wanted to inform all of you who are considering obtaining
> a Neo-Braille that I have found out yesterday that the release
> date has been pushed back to the end of February, which explains
> the limited discussion about it within the general public.  If
> you go to the Irie AT website, and click on "contact us", you can
> email to ask them to tell you when it's out, or ask them any
> further questions.
> Vejas
> 
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From louvins at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 04:59:52 2017
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 22:59:52 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille
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I just looked at the neobraille.  My problem with the device is that I
think it has way to many buttons to suit me.  Also, this is a big
issue, is the neobraille going to be google certified?  Even though it
runs on androie that is newer then the touch, where are you going to
to be able to download apps for the device.  Also, I heard no mention
of a camera.  The touch has a camera and the KNFB APP for scanning
documents.  Although I've never been very much into OCR stuff, I'm
very interested in trying out the KNFB reader portion of my touch.

On 1/22/17, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Ashley,
> Your Department of Rehab might be able to get one for you. They are about
> 4995 dollars. I  plan to wait a few months as opposed to years, because I'd
> like to get a device that has more support. I'm guessing in a year or so
> support for the Apex will go down.
> Vejas
>
>> On Jan 22, 2017, at 15:45, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Carl,
>> True. The Braille note touch runs an old version of android and the neo
>> braille runs lollypop, the newest version. No, I do not have an android
>> tablet, in case you wondered, but I know the latest version name.
>>
>> I also read online that the neo braille has more storage and processing
>> speed.
>> I think it can go on youtube as well as read powerpoint files and excel
>> files.
>> When I can afford one, I'd get the neo braille, although I do not want to
>> be one of the first to get it. I'll wait a few years for them to refine it
>> and get rid of the bugs.
>> Great points Carl. Are you going to get a neo Braille?
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 9:57 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Cc: Karl Martin Adam
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille
>>
>> IN addition to having a built in keyboard not a case and probably
>> not having the problems people have been reporting with the Touch
>> unlocking itself when it's in a bag, the Neobraille runs a much
>> newer version of Android.  My recollection from talking to both
>> companies at convention is also that the Neobraille has better
>> storage and processing speed, though I don't remember the exact
>> numbers.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 01:46:06 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille
>>
>> Vejas,
>>
>> Please share your experiences about the product when you get it.
>> I assume
>> you saw it at convention.
>> What made you decide to get it versus other new notetakers such
>> as the
>> Braille Note touch? It seems like the Touch and Neo braille do
>> much the same
>> thing. Although, I think the Neo braille can access more
>> mainstream programs
>> on the internet like drop box and even skype.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 10:24 AM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille
>>
>> Hi,
>> I just wanted to inform all of you who are considering obtaining
>> a Neo-Braille that I have found out yesterday that the release
>> date has been pushed back to the end of February, which explains
>> the limited discussion about it within the general public.  If
>> you go to the Irie AT website, and click on "contact us", you can
>> email to ask them to tell you when it's out, or ask them any
>> further questions.
>> Vejas
>>
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 07:33:57 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 23:33:57 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Scholarships
Message-ID: <722D47A8-A9E3-4393-B82A-31A93526BDB3@gmail.com>

Hi All,
I will be applying for the NFB scholarship, but was just wondering if anyone on here has found any good web sites that can match them to lesser known scholarships. I am not just talking about blindness-related scholarships, I am also talking about scholarships related to other factors such as ethnicity. 
Thanks,
Vejas 

From misokwak12 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 07:37:48 2017
From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 23:37:48 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Scholarships
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Vejas,
you may want to check if your university has scholarship resource
center. Financial aid office may be able to help you search for a
scholarship as well.
Best,
Miso Kwak

On 1/22/17, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi All,
> I will be applying for the NFB scholarship, but was just wondering if anyone
> on here has found any good web sites that can match them to lesser known
> scholarships. I am not just talking about blindness-related scholarships, I
> am also talking about scholarships related to other factors such as
> ethnicity.
> Thanks,
> Vejas
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From david.thomas at davidthetechguy.com  Mon Jan 23 16:16:11 2017
From: david.thomas at davidthetechguy.com (David Thomas)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 10:16:11 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille
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Hello,
The latest version of Android is actually Nougat. This would be 7.0 if you
are more into the numbers thing.
Regards
David Thomas

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley
Bramlett via NABS-L
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:46 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Ashley Bramlett
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille

Carl,
True. The Braille note touch runs an old version of android and the neo
braille runs lollypop, the newest version. No, I do not have an android
tablet, in case you wondered, but I know the latest version name.

I also read online that the neo braille has more storage and processing
speed.
I think it can go on youtube as well as read powerpoint files and excel
files.
When I can afford one, I'd get the neo braille, although I do not want to
be one of the first to get it. I'll wait a few years for them to refine it
and get rid of the bugs.
Great points Carl. Are you going to get a neo Braille?

Ashley

-----Original Message-----
From: Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 9:57 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Karl Martin Adam
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille

IN addition to having a built in keyboard not a case and probably not
having the problems people have been reporting with the Touch unlocking
itself when it's in a bag, the Neobraille runs a much newer version of
Android.  My recollection from talking to both companies at convention is
also that the Neobraille has better storage and processing speed, though I
don't remember the exact numbers.

----- Original Message -----
From: Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 01:46:06 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille

Vejas,

Please share your experiences about the product when you get it.
I assume
you saw it at convention.
What made you decide to get it versus other new notetakers such as the
Braille Note touch? It seems like the Touch and Neo braille do much the
same thing. Although, I think the Neo braille can access more mainstream
programs on the internet like drop box and even skype.

Ashley

-----Original Message-----
From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 10:24 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas
Subject: [nabs-l] Neo-Braille

Hi,
I just wanted to inform all of you who are considering obtaining a
Neo-Braille that I have found out yesterday that the release date has been
pushed back to the end of February, which explains the limited discussion
about it within the general public.  If you go to the Irie AT website, and
click on "contact us", you can email to ask them to tell you when it's
out, or ask them any further questions.
Vejas

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From david.thomas at davidthetechguy.com  Mon Jan 23 16:18:14 2017
From: david.thomas at davidthetechguy.com (David Thomas)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 10:18:14 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Android users question
In-Reply-To: <374596F2-C72B-4F8B-B9F6-77B6DE242D3E@gmail.com>
References: <009101d274d0$baeab810$30c02830$@gmail.com>	<7.0.1.0.2.20170122090328.04eb8600@comcast.net>
	<374596F2-C72B-4F8B-B9F6-77B6DE242D3E@gmail.com>
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Hello,
Yes there is. The list is called eyes-free. It can be found at the
following link.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/eyes-free
Regards
David Thomas
-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rebecca Sabo
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Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Android users question

Hi
I am a accessable tester testing apps for iOS and android .  I was
wondering if there was a list serve for android users ?
Becky Sabo
> On Jan 22, 2017, at 10:04 AM, Robin via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>
> Yes
> A Samsung GalaxyS6Edge
> A Pixel ByGoogle
> 2013 GoogleNexus7
> At 08:58 AM 1/22/2017, you wrote:
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> I own two android devices. My tablet which is a galaxy note pro 12.2
>> and my phone which is an LG g5. I was wondering if there were any
>> more users out there. What do you run? Also, do you find flicking or
>> moving your finger around the screen easier? How do you learn new
>> apps? Do you keep the screen dark or not?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Aaron Linson
>>
>> CEO Blind Faith Project <http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject>
>>
>> CEO Linson Productions
>>
>>
>>
>> Aaron Linson
>>
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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 17:44:31 2017
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 12:44:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] setup institutional email on BN touch
Message-ID: <58864107.cebd240a.fcc63.f600@mx.google.com>

Hi,
The subject says it all.
How can I do this?
The email account is run through Google, but nothing I've tried works.
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Jessica

From mikgephart at icloud.com  Mon Jan 23 19:44:57 2017
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 14:44:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] setup institutional email on BN touch
In-Reply-To: <58864107.cebd240a.fcc63.f600@mx.google.com>
References: <58864107.cebd240a.fcc63.f600@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <975FDFA9-91F2-4121-8465-DC85F5AE0698@icloud.com>

Jessica,
     I had a similar problem. My TVI and I were trying to get my school email, which like yours, is through Google, on my Touch. It kept giving me a bunch of error messages. Another teacher who uses an Android phone walked in as we were trying to figure this out. He said the school needs to install the Google Device Policy App on my Touch. This enables them to control certain functions, and remotely wipe the device. The teacher  said that the school told him this when he wanted to get his school email on his phone. Hope this helps.
Mikayla
> On Jan 23, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> The subject says it all.
> How can I do this?
> The email account is run through Google, but nothing I've tried works.
> Any suggestions?
> Thanks,
> Jessica
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From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Mon Jan 23 19:51:55 2017
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 14:51:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] setup institutional email on BN touch
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Hi Jessica,

Are you trying to do this through the gmail app or keymail?
I do not have a BN touch however, I wonder if the process is different
for the BN touch when using keymail compared to gmail?
Just some thoughts.
My school uses Google as well so any solution you find would be great.
If you can, please either mail it to me off the list or post it here.
Thanks.
Christina

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Jessica,
>      I had a similar problem. My TVI and I were trying to get my school email, which like yours, is through Google, on my Touch. It kept giving me a bunch of error messages. Another teacher who uses an Android phone walked in as we were trying to figure this out. He said the school needs to install the Google Device Policy App on my Touch. This enables them to control certain functions, and remotely wipe the device. The teacher  said that the school told him this when he wanted to get his school email on his phone. Hope this helps.
> Mikayla
>> On Jan 23, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> The subject says it all.
>> How can I do this?
>> The email account is run through Google, but nothing I've tried works.
>> Any suggestions?
>> Thanks,
>> Jessica
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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 19:57:08 2017
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 14:57:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] setup institutional email on BN touch
Message-ID: <58866018.587f240a.8ed79.0434@mx.google.com>

Hi,
ideally, Said like to use keymail because everything else works very we through it.
I've even went into "android system settings" and tried to do it from there, with no success.
Thanks,
Jessica

On Jan 23, 2017 2:51 PM, Christina Moore via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Jessica, 
>
> Are you trying to do this through the gmail app or keymail? 
> I do not have a BN touch however, I wonder if the process is different 
> for the BN touch when using keymail compared to gmail? 
> Just some thoughts. 
> My school uses Google as well so any solution you find would be great. 
> If you can, please either mail it to me off the list or post it here. 
> Thanks. 
> Christina 
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: 
> > Jessica, 
> >      I had a similar problem. My TVI and I were trying to get my school email, which like yours, is through Google, on my Touch. It kept giving me a bunch of error messages. Another teacher who uses an Android phone walked in as we were trying to figure this out. He said the school needs to install the Google Device Policy App on my Touch. This enables them to control certain functions, and remotely wipe the device. The teacher  said that the school told him this when he wanted to get his school email on his phone. Hope this helps. 
> > Mikayla 
> >> On Jan 23, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Hi, 
> >> The subject says it all. 
> >> How can I do this? 
> >> The email account is run through Google, but nothing I've tried works. 
> >> Any suggestions? 
> >> Thanks, 
> >> Jessica 
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From annis1 at live.marshall.edu  Mon Jan 23 21:11:08 2017
From: annis1 at live.marshall.edu (Annis, Tara)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 21:11:08 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] new to list: some questions about computer
 science/engineering
Message-ID: <CY4PR01MB2549594507815C965EF0AE03D6720@CY4PR01MB2549.prod.exchangelabs.com>

Hello,

I've actually  been  part of this list before, but it was a while ago, maybe seven years, so I'm gack in school and have some more questions.  I'm basically totally blind and going for my Master's in Bioinformatics and Biomedical Engineering and I'm taking many statistics computer science courses so have specific questions about them:

*Do you all know if SAS statistics  software is accessible with a screen reader, or do you  all know of an accessible alternative, such as AR (I've heard is accessible but not sure)?

*Has anyone worked with a screen reader and Android Studio or Eclipse to make Android apps?  Or, basically, I'm looking for any Android accessibility tips.

*Also, any accessibility tips  for Raspberry Pi or Internet of Things type access    is what I'm seeking.

*Lastly, any mysql or sql advice?  I'm still in the process of downloading correct software, the workbench along with the main mysql installer program. Have any of you used with screen reader?
Basically, I'm wishing to talk with any blind visually impaired who are in this field.  Have you found any of  the curriculum  specifically challenging accessiblitywise? I try to prepare in advance before class, but I've always found this difficult since each instructor is different and it's hard to know what he/she will use in class, which software/hardware, how he/she will prepare quizzes/tests, etc.
You can reply  to me either  through the listserv or privately at annis1 at live.marshall.edu<mailto:annis1 at live.marshall.edu>
Thanks for  all your help
Tar
Tara Annis
Phone: (304) 942-1119
E-mail: annis1 at live.marshall.edu<mailto:annis1 at live.marshall.edu>
Second E-mail: tannisdanielle at gmail.com<mailto:tannisdanielle at gmail.com>




From mikgephart at icloud.com  Mon Jan 23 21:57:35 2017
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 16:57:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] new to list: some questions about computer
 science/engineering
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR01MB2549594507815C965EF0AE03D6720@CY4PR01MB2549.prod.exchangelabs.com>
References: <CY4PR01MB2549594507815C965EF0AE03D6720@CY4PR01MB2549.prod.exchangelabs.com>
Message-ID: <684F1E22-9A4D-4AF1-9C32-584793FC0E5F@icloud.com>

Hi,
    I do not know anything about the computer programs you mentioned, and am only in high school. However, I have a suggestion for finding out a little about your teachers’ styles. For the past few years, I email all my teachers before the start of the simester. This is really useful for me. Hope this helps.
Mikayla
> On Jan 23, 2017, at 4:11 PM, Annis, Tara via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I've actually  been  part of this list before, but it was a while ago, maybe seven years, so I'm gack in school and have some more questions.  I'm basically totally blind and going for my Master's in Bioinformatics and Biomedical Engineering and I'm taking many statistics computer science courses so have specific questions about them:
> 
> *Do you all know if SAS statistics  software is accessible with a screen reader, or do you  all know of an accessible alternative, such as AR (I've heard is accessible but not sure)?
> 
> *Has anyone worked with a screen reader and Android Studio or Eclipse to make Android apps?  Or, basically, I'm looking for any Android accessibility tips.
> 
> *Also, any accessibility tips  for Raspberry Pi or Internet of Things type access    is what I'm seeking.
> 
> *Lastly, any mysql or sql advice?  I'm still in the process of downloading correct software, the workbench along with the main mysql installer program. Have any of you used with screen reader?
> Basically, I'm wishing to talk with any blind visually impaired who are in this field.  Have you found any of  the curriculum  specifically challenging accessiblitywise? I try to prepare in advance before class, but I've always found this difficult since each instructor is different and it's hard to know what he/she will use in class, which software/hardware, how he/she will prepare quizzes/tests, etc.
> You can reply  to me either  through the listserv or privately at annis1 at live.marshall.edu<mailto:annis1 at live.marshall.edu>
> Thanks for  all your help
> Tar
> Tara Annis
> Phone: (304) 942-1119
> E-mail: annis1 at live.marshall.edu<mailto:annis1 at live.marshall.edu>
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 24 00:27:23 2017
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 00:27:23 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] new to list: some questions about computer
 science/engineering
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR01MB2549594507815C965EF0AE03D6720@CY4PR01MB2549.prod.exchangelabs.com>
References: <CY4PR01MB2549594507815C965EF0AE03D6720@CY4PR01MB2549.prod.exchangelabs.com>
Message-ID: <DM5PR12MB18660B5830414D6686687571BA750@DM5PR12MB1866.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Hello Annis,

Welcome to the NABS email list. I honestly have no idea how to answer any of the specific questions you asked in your email. However, you may wish to check out the science and engineering email list in addition to the NABS student email list.

The information page for the science and engineering email lists says that the purpose of this list is to promote education solutions for the blind, share professional successes, and encourage new solutions and techniques to succeed in science and engineering as a blind person.

You can find the science and engineering email list at www.nfbnet.org after clicking on the link that says drop or join email lists. Although I am sure there are other students here who can answer your questions, you may receive more answers by posting your questions to the science and engineering  email list as well.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Annis, Tara via NABS-L
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 4:11 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Annis, Tara <annis1 at live.marshall.edu>
Subject: [nabs-l] new to list: some questions about computer science/engineering

Hello,

I've actually  been  part of this list before, but it was a while ago, maybe seven years, so I'm gack in school and have some more questions.  I'm basically totally blind and going for my Master's in Bioinformatics and Biomedical Engineering and I'm taking many statistics computer science courses so have specific questions about them:

*Do you all know if SAS statistics  software is accessible with a screen reader, or do you  all know of an accessible alternative, such as AR (I've heard is accessible but not sure)?

*Has anyone worked with a screen reader and Android Studio or Eclipse to make Android apps?  Or, basically, I'm looking for any Android accessibility tips.

*Also, any accessibility tips  for Raspberry Pi or Internet of Things type access    is what I'm seeking.

*Lastly, any mysql or sql advice?  I'm still in the process of downloading correct software, the workbench along with the main mysql installer program. Have any of you used with screen reader?
Basically, I'm wishing to talk with any blind visually impaired who are in this field.  Have you found any of  the curriculum  specifically challenging accessiblitywise? I try to prepare in advance before class, but I've always found this difficult since each instructor is different and it's hard to know what he/she will use in class, which software/hardware, how he/she will prepare quizzes/tests, etc.
You can reply  to me either  through the listserv or privately at annis1 at live.marshall.edu<mailto:annis1 at live.marshall.edu>
Thanks for  all your help
Tar
Tara Annis
Phone: (304) 942-1119
E-mail: annis1 at live.marshall.edu<mailto:annis1 at live.marshall.edu>
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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Tue Jan 24 01:12:57 2017
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster, NABS President)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 20:12:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] new to list: some questions about computer
 science/engineering
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR01MB2549594507815C965EF0AE03D6720@CY4PR01MB2549.prod.exchangelabs.com>
References: <CY4PR01MB2549594507815C965EF0AE03D6720@CY4PR01MB2549.prod.exchangelabs.com>
Message-ID: <010401d275de$ffe653c0$ffb2fb40$@gmail.com>

Hey Tar!

	Thanks for posting to the list. I can address some of your questions
below, and also encourage you to reach out to Bryan Duarte at
bjduarte at asu.edu for mysql and sql advice.

In terms of accessibility of both SAS and R, I have had great success using
both software. SAS is very user friendly, particularly the most recent
version of SAS Studio. I interned with SAS last summer and each day,
literally, there are new accessibility features that allow for universal use
by print-disabled users. Most notably, snippets are easily accessed through
the SAS Studio platform, allowing for ease of use and swiftness when
producing programs. R is great, except that the data input is limited, yet
not to any extent that would interfere with courses in college. R has a
Braille package that can be freely installed to the terminal called
BrailleR. I have used this software extensively in courses and research and
find the accompanying package beneficial when analyzing data, regardless of
size. R and SAS, I've found, are easier to use with screen readers such as
JAWS and NVDA, rather than Voiceover, though others may have differing
opinions.

Android applications seem simple to create with screenreaders, particularly
if using Eclipse as an IDE, yet I have not personally programmed one myself.
I've looked into the accessibility of performing such tasks, and found many
resources to guide one through the process. Eclipse, however, I have used
for C++ and found it accessible with JAWS. I am more than happy to dig
deeper into my findings if you are interested

Hope some of this helps!

Best,
Kathryn

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Annis, Tara via
NABS-L
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 4:11 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Annis, Tara <annis1 at live.marshall.edu>
Subject: [nabs-l] new to list: some questions about computer
science/engineering

Hello,

I've actually  been  part of this list before, but it was a while ago, maybe
seven years, so I'm gack in school and have some more questions.  I'm
basically totally blind and going for my Master's in Bioinformatics and
Biomedical Engineering and I'm taking many statistics computer science
courses so have specific questions about them:

*Do you all know if SAS statistics  software is accessible with a screen
reader, or do you  all know of an accessible alternative, such as AR (I've
heard is accessible but not sure)?

*Has anyone worked with a screen reader and Android Studio or Eclipse to
make Android apps?  Or, basically, I'm looking for any Android accessibility
tips.

*Also, any accessibility tips  for Raspberry Pi or Internet of Things type
access    is what I'm seeking.

*Lastly, any mysql or sql advice?  I'm still in the process of downloading
correct software, the workbench along with the main mysql installer program.
Have any of you used with screen reader?
Basically, I'm wishing to talk with any blind visually impaired who are in
this field.  Have you found any of  the curriculum  specifically challenging
accessiblitywise? I try to prepare in advance before class, but I've always
found this difficult since each instructor is different and it's hard to
know what he/she will use in class, which software/hardware, how he/she will
prepare quizzes/tests, etc.
You can reply  to me either  through the listserv or privately at
annis1 at live.marshall.edu<mailto:annis1 at live.marshall.edu>
Thanks for  all your help
Tar
Tara Annis
Phone: (304) 942-1119
E-mail: annis1 at live.marshall.edu<mailto:annis1 at live.marshall.edu>
Second E-mail: tannisdanielle at gmail.com<mailto:tannisdanielle at gmail.com>



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From ligne14 at verizon.net  Tue Jan 24 05:27:33 2017
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 01:27:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Bookshare on the Apex plus another general
 websites question
Message-ID: <0OK900I4BR6U8LA0@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi all,

I  received an email from Bookshare informing me that my account 
will terminate in thirty days and therefore I should renew my 
membership beforehand.  I therefore tried to do that today, using 
my Apex, but I ran into a few problems right away.  When I first 
logged on to the site, I was able to enter my email address and 
password, but when I tried to submit my entry, all it displayed 
was something like "Character edchfor" and then some numbers that 
I don't remember (also least that's how it appeared on the 
Braille display).  The next time I went onto the site, I enabled 
the scripting setting on the Apex, because for some reason I 
figured that maybe that might have been the problem.  The problem 
with that was, it was taking a really long time for the Bookshare 
website to load, which I noticed unfortunately tends to happen 
frequently when that setting is turned on.  I really need to 
renew my Bookshare membership, because, I not only use it for 
leisurely reading, but I'm also taking an English class in 
college where we're required to read different books every week.
So, here are my questions: First, do you know if the scripting 
setting is required to be enabled for Bookshare? Second, has it 
ever happened to you that when you attempt to enter your login 
information, you only get that strange character that I mentioned 
earlier?

I also had a general question about accessing the internet on the 
Apex.  I've noticed for a while that some websites that I visit 
frequently seem to be down, because I always get the dreaded 
error message: "The page cannot be displayed", when I know for a 
fact that they're not down because I can access them on other 
devices as well as asking some people if they work for them.  
Recently I tried doing a factory settings reset (space with dots 
456), but that doesn't seem to solve the problem at all.  I also 
even tried changing the web browser profile once before which 
also didn't work.  What could I do to solve this issue?

I really hope you guys can answer my questions, especially 
regarding the Bookshare issue.

Thanks and enjoy the start to your semesters,

Sami


From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 24 06:20:08 2017
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 01:20:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Bookshare on the Apex plus another
 general websites question
In-Reply-To: <0OK900I4BR6U8LA0@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0OK900I4BR6U8LA0@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <997B35FC219D4D41B6C40AAD7202F9DF@OwnerPC>

Sami,

I think these problems are because the apex has an old web browser. My 
advice is to use the mobile version of the websites you need if one exists 
or simply use a computer. As a college student, I hope you have ready access 
to a computer whether it be a desktop, laptop, windows tablet or a mac.
If your school does not have an accessible computer in the library and 
computer lab, I would fight for that if I were you. Everyone else can use 
computers in those places and since you paid the same tuition as them, you 
should have access to technology.

I also suggest you voice these questions to humanware tech support. Perhaps, 
there is an update to your apex they can do or some other setting you can 
tweak on the machine.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Sami Osborne via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 12:27 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org ; blindtlk at nfbnet.org
Cc: Sami Osborne
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Bookshare on the Apex plus another general 
websites question

Hi all,

I  received an email from Bookshare informing me that my account
will terminate in thirty days and therefore I should renew my
membership beforehand.  I therefore tried to do that today, using
my Apex, but I ran into a few problems right away.  When I first
logged on to the site, I was able to enter my email address and
password, but when I tried to submit my entry, all it displayed
was something like "Character edchfor" and then some numbers that
I don't remember (also least that's how it appeared on the
Braille display).  The next time I went onto the site, I enabled
the scripting setting on the Apex, because for some reason I
figured that maybe that might have been the problem.  The problem
with that was, it was taking a really long time for the Bookshare
website to load, which I noticed unfortunately tends to happen
frequently when that setting is turned on.  I really need to
renew my Bookshare membership, because, I not only use it for
leisurely reading, but I'm also taking an English class in
college where we're required to read different books every week.
So, here are my questions: First, do you know if the scripting
setting is required to be enabled for Bookshare? Second, has it
ever happened to you that when you attempt to enter your login
information, you only get that strange character that I mentioned
earlier?

I also had a general question about accessing the internet on the
Apex.  I've noticed for a while that some websites that I visit
frequently seem to be down, because I always get the dreaded
error message: "The page cannot be displayed", when I know for a
fact that they're not down because I can access them on other
devices as well as asking some people if they work for them.
Recently I tried doing a factory settings reset (space with dots
456), but that doesn't seem to solve the problem at all.  I also
even tried changing the web browser profile once before which
also didn't work.  What could I do to solve this issue?

I really hope you guys can answer my questions, especially
regarding the Bookshare issue.

Thanks and enjoy the start to your semesters,

Sami

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From louvins at gmail.com  Tue Jan 24 08:13:15 2017
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 02:13:15 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Bookshare on the Apex plus another
 general websites question
In-Reply-To: <997B35FC219D4D41B6C40AAD7202F9DF@OwnerPC>
References: <0OK900I4BR6U8LA0@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>
	<997B35FC219D4D41B6C40AAD7202F9DF@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <CADUoy9t+FfW+N5j6yuwDJ9VOuuqfAcYsNQomYMOKC4ONev2vnw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Sami.  I highly recommend renewing your bookshare account on your
computer rather then the apex.  Although I was able to do things like
purchase from amazon using my apex, that took a lot of work on my
part.  Like Ashley has already stated, the apex uses a very old web
browser that as time goes by, more and more websites just won't work
with it.  For example, I couldn't check my bank account balance on my
lo0cal banks website using my apex.  I got a security message, and the
page just wouldn't load.  Having an upto date web browser is one of
the reasons why I'm saving up money to get the braille note touch.
The apex is a very nice device if you need to read documents in
braille, or listen to audio books, or even listen to web radio, but
for intensive web browsing, the apex isn't a good device.

On 1/24/17, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Sami,
>
> I think these problems are because the apex has an old web browser. My
> advice is to use the mobile version of the websites you need if one exists
> or simply use a computer. As a college student, I hope you have ready access
>
> to a computer whether it be a desktop, laptop, windows tablet or a mac.
> If your school does not have an accessible computer in the library and
> computer lab, I would fight for that if I were you. Everyone else can use
> computers in those places and since you paid the same tuition as them, you
> should have access to technology.
>
> I also suggest you voice these questions to humanware tech support. Perhaps,
>
> there is an update to your apex they can do or some other setting you can
> tweak on the machine.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sami Osborne via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 12:27 AM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org ; blindtlk at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Sami Osborne
> Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Bookshare on the Apex plus another general
>
> websites question
>
> Hi all,
>
> I  received an email from Bookshare informing me that my account
> will terminate in thirty days and therefore I should renew my
> membership beforehand.  I therefore tried to do that today, using
> my Apex, but I ran into a few problems right away.  When I first
> logged on to the site, I was able to enter my email address and
> password, but when I tried to submit my entry, all it displayed
> was something like "Character edchfor" and then some numbers that
> I don't remember (also least that's how it appeared on the
> Braille display).  The next time I went onto the site, I enabled
> the scripting setting on the Apex, because for some reason I
> figured that maybe that might have been the problem.  The problem
> with that was, it was taking a really long time for the Bookshare
> website to load, which I noticed unfortunately tends to happen
> frequently when that setting is turned on.  I really need to
> renew my Bookshare membership, because, I not only use it for
> leisurely reading, but I'm also taking an English class in
> college where we're required to read different books every week.
> So, here are my questions: First, do you know if the scripting
> setting is required to be enabled for Bookshare? Second, has it
> ever happened to you that when you attempt to enter your login
> information, you only get that strange character that I mentioned
> earlier?
>
> I also had a general question about accessing the internet on the
> Apex.  I've noticed for a while that some websites that I visit
> frequently seem to be down, because I always get the dreaded
> error message: "The page cannot be displayed", when I know for a
> fact that they're not down because I can access them on other
> devices as well as asking some people if they work for them.
> Recently I tried doing a factory settings reset (space with dots
> 456), but that doesn't seem to solve the problem at all.  I also
> even tried changing the web browser profile once before which
> also didn't work.  What could I do to solve this issue?
>
> I really hope you guys can answer my questions, especially
> regarding the Bookshare issue.
>
> Thanks and enjoy the start to your semesters,
>
> Sami
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 24 13:35:50 2017
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 08:35:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Bookshare on the Apex plus another
 generalwebsites question
Message-ID: <58875870.8831810a.e9055.9062@mx.google.com>

Since Bookshare's last update a bit over a year ago, you can only 
use it with scripting turned off on the Apex.  I don't know what 
the renueal problem is, but did you try refreshing the page?  
Sometimes you have to do that with Bookshare to get the page to 
load properly.  If it still doesn't work, I'd try asking 
Humanware tech support or the Braillenote users group.

HTH
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Sami Osborne via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org, blindtlk at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 01:27:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Bookshare on the Apex plus 
another generalwebsites question

Hi all,

I  received an email from Bookshare informing me that my account
will terminate in thirty days and therefore I should renew my
membership beforehand.  I therefore tried to do that today, using
my Apex, but I ran into a few problems right away.  When I first
logged on to the site, I was able to enter my email address and
password, but when I tried to submit my entry, all it displayed
was something like "Character edchfor" and then some numbers that
I don't remember (also least that's how it appeared on the
Braille display).  The next time I went onto the site, I enabled
the scripting setting on the Apex, because for some reason I
figured that maybe that might have been the problem.  The problem
with that was, it was taking a really long time for the Bookshare
website to load, which I noticed unfortunately tends to happen
frequently when that setting is turned on.  I really need to
renew my Bookshare membership, because, I not only use it for
leisurely reading, but I'm also taking an English class in
college where we're required to read different books every week.
So, here are my questions: First, do you know if the scripting
setting is required to be enabled for Bookshare? Second, has it
ever happened to you that when you attempt to enter your login
information, you only get that strange character that I mentioned
earlier?

I also had a general question about accessing the internet on the
Apex.  I've noticed for a while that some websites that I visit
frequently seem to be down, because I always get the dreaded
error message: "The page cannot be displayed", when I know for a
fact that they're not down because I can access them on other
devices as well as asking some people if they work for them.
Recently I tried doing a factory settings reset (space with dots
456), but that doesn't seem to solve the problem at all.  I also
even tried changing the web browser profile once before which
also didn't work.  What could I do to solve this issue?

I really hope you guys can answer my questions, especially
regarding the Bookshare issue.

Thanks and enjoy the start to your semesters,

Sami

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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Tue Jan 24 20:20:17 2017
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 15:20:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Softchalkcloud.com
Message-ID: <7AA7127D-896E-481E-8303-BC18F4B53A41@icloud.com>

Hi all,
     I am taking an online class through my state’s virtual school. Does anyone have experience with softchalkcloud.com <http://softchalkcloud.com/>? Thank you.
Mikayla

From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Tue Jan 24 23:13:49 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 15:13:49 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Help with Signup Sheets on Google Docs
Message-ID: <B936893C-565B-4B91-8CF8-77AECE99D767@gmail.com>

Hi all,
Every week I need to sign up for a time slot for a required tutoring session  in Spanish. When I access the signup sheet on the I-Phone, the layout looks very confusing. The time slots are each 10 minutes long, and it reads like a chart. When I try it on my laptop, I just get a generic page saying "Welcome to Google Docs" with options only to either take a tour or get the android and IOS apps. 
What methods have you all used to sign up on a google doc, and how?
Thanks,
Vejas 

From jameyanne at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 01:07:33 2017
From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 20:07:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Help with Signup Sheets on Google Docs
In-Reply-To: <B936893C-565B-4B91-8CF8-77AECE99D767@gmail.com>
References: <B936893C-565B-4B91-8CF8-77AECE99D767@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000201d276a7$693b84d0$3bb28e70$@gmail.com>

Usually I explain to the professor that I can't use google docs well with my
screenreader and ask them to sign me up for a slot. I give them several
alternatives that work for me in case the times I've mentioned are full.
This has always worked well for me. If the professor won't help for whatever
reason, I'd ask a classmate or a friend to help you do it.
I think you mentioned that you were considering a BrailleNote Touch at some
point, so I'll also just throw it out there that google docs are pretty
accessible on the Touch, though I'm not sure how this chart format would
work.
HTH,
Jameyanne

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 6:14 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Help with Signup Sheets on Google Docs

Hi all,
Every week I need to sign up for a time slot for a required tutoring session
in Spanish. When I access the signup sheet on the I-Phone, the layout looks
very confusing. The time slots are each 10 minutes long, and it reads like a
chart. When I try it on my laptop, I just get a generic page saying "Welcome
to Google Docs" with options only to either take a tour or get the android
and IOS apps. 
What methods have you all used to sign up on a google doc, and how?
Thanks,
Vejas 
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From valandkayla at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 02:58:37 2017
From: valandkayla at gmail.com (Valerie Gibson)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 19:58:37 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Evernote on the mac
Message-ID: <43B97650-7DE7-4F76-9219-511D217E7940@gmail.com>

Hi,

I’m curious if anyone’s had any luck using Evernote on the Mac. It looks like what I need for a class of mine, and it looks somewhat accessible, but I’m not sure how to delete notebooks on the Mac. I figured out how to do so on the IOS though, but I don’t want to switch devices just to delete a notebook if I don’t have to.  I was also wondering if there were any tips anyone could give on using the app, or if it was all straight forward.

Thanks.

From nabs.president at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 15:16:42 2017
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster, NABS President)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 10:16:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] We need your help!
Message-ID: <04a301d2771e$08f45440$1adcfcc0$@gmail.com>

Students,

 

                Please take 30 seconds out of your morning, right now, to
sign this petition. We cannot continue complaining without taking action.
Join me in signing your name, writing your address, email, and press "sign."
It literally takes 30 seconds. If you are unable to sign, call me and I will
help make sure you can!

 

https://www.change.org/p/united-states-congress-remove-barriers-to-classroom
-equality-ensure-accessibility-of-instructional-materials/u/19150685?recruit
er=1368381
<https://www.change.org/p/united-states-congress-remove-barriers-to-classroo
m-equality-ensure-accessibility-of-instructional-materials/u/19150685?recrui
ter=1368381&utm_source=share_update&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=share_emai
l_responsive>
&utm_source=share_update&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=share_email_responsiv
e

 

For you, for us,

Kathryn Webster

President | National Association of Blind Students


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 15:23:24 2017
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 10:23:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] We need your help!
In-Reply-To: <04a301d2771e$08f45440$1adcfcc0$@gmail.com>
References: <04a301d2771e$08f45440$1adcfcc0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <398A2689-B7D8-4A66-88C7-C11B197E3EE8@gmail.com>

I tried to sign the petition that it's not available

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 25, 2017, at 10:16 AM, Kathryn Webster, NABS President via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Students,
> 
> 
> 
>                Please take 30 seconds out of your morning, right now, to
> sign this petition. We cannot continue complaining without taking action.
> Join me in signing your name, writing your address, email, and press "sign."
> It literally takes 30 seconds. If you are unable to sign, call me and I will
> help make sure you can!
> 
> 
> 
> https://www.change.org/p/united-states-congress-remove-barriers-to-classroom
> -equality-ensure-accessibility-of-instructional-materials/u/19150685?recruit
> er=1368381
> <https://www.change.org/p/united-states-congress-remove-barriers-to-classroo
> m-equality-ensure-accessibility-of-instructional-materials/u/19150685?recrui
> ter=1368381&utm_source=share_update&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=share_emai
> l_responsive>
> &utm_source=share_update&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=share_email_responsiv
> e
> 
> 
> 
> For you, for us,
> 
> Kathryn Webster
> 
> President | National Association of Blind Students
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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From sawhney.kartik at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 15:25:41 2017
From: sawhney.kartik at gmail.com (Kartik Sawhney)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 07:25:41 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] We need your help!
In-Reply-To: <398A2689-B7D8-4A66-88C7-C11B197E3EE8@gmail.com>
References: <04a301d2771e$08f45440$1adcfcc0$@gmail.com>
	<398A2689-B7D8-4A66-88C7-C11B197E3EE8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACQLpmfpqVBCSWuK+jgU_8umzmzSMNOK-oneeLDubW1m1HBJXA@mail.gmail.com>

Looks like the link is broken across multiple lines, but it works otherwise.

On 1/25/17, Roanna Bacchus  via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I tried to sign the petition that it's not available
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 10:16 AM, Kathryn Webster, NABS President via NABS-L
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Students,
>>
>>
>>
>>                Please take 30 seconds out of your morning, right now, to
>> sign this petition. We cannot continue complaining without taking action.
>> Join me in signing your name, writing your address, email, and press
>> "sign."
>> It literally takes 30 seconds. If you are unable to sign, call me and I
>> will
>> help make sure you can!
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.change.org/p/united-states-congress-remove-barriers-to-classroom
>> -equality-ensure-accessibility-of-instructional-materials/u/19150685?recruit
>> er=1368381
>> <https://www.change.org/p/united-states-congress-remove-barriers-to-classroo
>> m-equality-ensure-accessibility-of-instructional-materials/u/19150685?recrui
>> ter=1368381&utm_source=share_update&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=share_emai
>> l_responsive>
>> &utm_source=share_update&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=share_email_responsiv
>> e
>>
>>
>>
>> For you, for us,
>>
>> Kathryn Webster
>>
>> President | National Association of Blind Students
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>
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-- 
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+1-(510) 766-3419
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From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 15:27:33 2017
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie P.)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 08:27:33 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] We need your help!
In-Reply-To: <398A2689-B7D8-4A66-88C7-C11B197E3EE8@gmail.com>
References: <04a301d2771e$08f45440$1adcfcc0$@gmail.com>
	<398A2689-B7D8-4A66-88C7-C11B197E3EE8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9C8DF722-3A44-4639-AA3E-EFF48A86D04B@gmail.com>

Here is the correct URL for the petition. 

https://www.change.org/p/united-states-congress-remove-barriers-to-classroom-equality-ensure-accessibility-of-instructional-materials?recruiter=75359047&utm_source=share_for_starters&utm_medium=copyLink

Thanks!

-Jamie

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 25, 2017, at 08:23, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I tried to sign the petition that it's not available
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 10:16 AM, Kathryn Webster, NABS President via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Students,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>               Please take 30 seconds out of your morning, right now, to
>> sign this petition. We cannot continue complaining without taking action.
>> Join me in signing your name, writing your address, email, and press "sign."
>> It literally takes 30 seconds. If you are unable to sign, call me and I will
>> help make sure you can!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.change.org/p/united-states-congress-remove-barriers-to-classroom
>> -equality-ensure-accessibility-of-instructional-materials/u/19150685?recruit
>> er=1368381
>> <https://www.change.org/p/united-states-congress-remove-barriers-to-classroo
>> m-equality-ensure-accessibility-of-instructional-materials/u/19150685?recrui
>> ter=1368381&utm_source=share_update&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=share_emai
>> l_responsive>
>> &utm_source=share_update&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=share_email_responsiv
>> e
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> For you, for us,
>> 
>> Kathryn Webster
>> 
>> President | National Association of Blind Students
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com
> 
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From awildheir at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 17:46:47 2017
From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 12:46:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] We need your help!
In-Reply-To: <04a301d2771e$08f45440$1adcfcc0$@gmail.com>
References: <04a301d2771e$08f45440$1adcfcc0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8ADAF938-6D9F-4AF6-A6F2-1A93D707FDFB@gmail.com>

I would love to and I would share with as many people as I could to get them to you as well. However, the links are broken and do not work. Could you resubmit a better link?

Aimee

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 25, 2017, at 10:16 AM, Kathryn Webster, NABS President via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Students,
> 
> 
> 
>                Please take 30 seconds out of your morning, right now, to
> sign this petition. We cannot continue complaining without taking action.
> Join me in signing your name, writing your address, email, and press "sign."
> It literally takes 30 seconds. If you are unable to sign, call me and I will
> help make sure you can!
> 
> 
> 
> https://www.change.org/p/united-states-congress-remove-barriers-to-classroom
> -equality-ensure-accessibility-of-instructional-materials/u/19150685?recruit
> er=1368381
> <https://www.change.org/p/united-states-congress-remove-barriers-to-classroo
> m-equality-ensure-accessibility-of-instructional-materials/u/19150685?recrui
> ter=1368381&utm_source=share_update&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=share_emai
> l_responsive>
> &utm_source=share_update&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=share_email_responsiv
> e
> 
> 
> 
> For you, for us,
> 
> Kathryn Webster
> 
> President | National Association of Blind Students
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com


From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 22:45:35 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 17:45:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] We need your help!
In-Reply-To: <04a301d2771e$08f45440$1adcfcc0$@gmail.com>
References: <04a301d2771e$08f45440$1adcfcc0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006101d2775c$be6089a0$3b219ce0$@gmail.com>

I can't find the petition.
 Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn
Webster, NABS President via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 10:17 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; nfbnet-students-list at nfbnet.org
Cc: Kathryn Webster, NABS President <nabs.president at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] We need your help!

Students,

 

                Please take 30 seconds out of your morning, right now, to
sign this petition. We cannot continue complaining without taking action.
Join me in signing your name, writing your address, email, and press "sign."
It literally takes 30 seconds. If you are unable to sign, call me and I will
help make sure you can!

 

https://www.change.org/p/united-states-congress-remove-barriers-to-classroom
-equality-ensure-accessibility-of-instructional-materials/u/19150685?recruit
er=1368381
<https://www.change.org/p/united-states-congress-remove-barriers-to-classroo
m-equality-ensure-accessibility-of-instructional-materials/u/19150685?recrui
ter=1368381&utm_source=share_update&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=share_emai
l_responsive>
&utm_source=share_update&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=share_email_responsiv
e

 

For you, for us,

Kathryn Webster

President | National Association of Blind Students

_______________________________________________
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 26 00:24:50 2017
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 00:24:50 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] We need your help!
In-Reply-To: <9C8DF722-3A44-4639-AA3E-EFF48A86D04B@gmail.com>
References: <04a301d2771e$08f45440$1adcfcc0$@gmail.com>
	<398A2689-B7D8-4A66-88C7-C11B197E3EE8@gmail.com>
	<9C8DF722-3A44-4639-AA3E-EFF48A86D04B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM5PR1201MB0092597657D66B9047201FA2BA770@DM5PR1201MB0092.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Hello All,

Thank you for starting this petition. For anyone who is having difficulty with the long link, a shorter link you can use to access this petition is http://bit.ly/2k8hhp4.  Hope this helps.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth



-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jamie P. via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 10:28 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Jamie P. <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] We need your help!

Here is the correct URL for the petition. 

https://www.change.org/p/united-states-congress-remove-barriers-to-classroom-equality-ensure-accessibility-of-instructional-materials?recruiter=75359047&utm_source=share_for_starters&utm_medium=copyLink

Thanks!

-Jamie

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 25, 2017, at 08:23, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I tried to sign the petition that it's not available
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 10:16 AM, Kathryn Webster, NABS President via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Students,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>               Please take 30 seconds out of your morning, right now, 
>> to sign this petition. We cannot continue complaining without taking action.
>> Join me in signing your name, writing your address, email, and press "sign."
>> It literally takes 30 seconds. If you are unable to sign, call me and 
>> I will help make sure you can!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.change.org/p/united-states-congress-remove-barriers-to-cl
>> assroom 
>> -equality-ensure-accessibility-of-instructional-materials/u/19150685?
>> recruit
>> er=1368381
>> <https://www.change.org/p/united-states-congress-remove-barriers-to-c
>> lassroo 
>> m-equality-ensure-accessibility-of-instructional-materials/u/19150685
>> ?recrui 
>> ter=1368381&utm_source=share_update&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=sha
>> re_emai
>> l_responsive>
>> &utm_source=share_update&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=share_email_re
>> sponsiv
>> e
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> For you, for us,
>> 
>> Kathryn Webster
>> 
>> President | National Association of Blind Students
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gma
>> il.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gma
> il.com

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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Thu Jan 26 00:27:22 2017
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (NABS President)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 19:27:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] We need your help!
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR1201MB0092597657D66B9047201FA2BA770@DM5PR1201MB0092.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <04a301d2771e$08f45440$1adcfcc0$@gmail.com>
	<398A2689-B7D8-4A66-88C7-C11B197E3EE8@gmail.com>
	<9C8DF722-3A44-4639-AA3E-EFF48A86D04B@gmail.com>
	<DM5PR1201MB0092597657D66B9047201FA2BA770@DM5PR1201MB0092.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <516B1450-A600-410B-93B2-3C54E3B73C66@gmail.com>

Thank you so, so much Elizabeth!

Kathryn Webster
President, National Association of Blind Students
(203) 273-8463
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 25, 2017, at 7:24 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Thank you for starting this petition. For anyone who is having difficulty with the long link, a shorter link you can use to access this petition is http://bit.ly/2k8hhp4.  Hope this helps.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jamie P. via NABS-L
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 10:28 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Jamie P. <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] We need your help!
> 
> Here is the correct URL for the petition. 
> 
> https://www.change.org/p/united-states-congress-remove-barriers-to-classroom-equality-ensure-accessibility-of-instructional-materials?recruiter=75359047&utm_source=share_for_starters&utm_medium=copyLink
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -Jamie
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 08:23, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I tried to sign the petition that it's not available
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 10:16 AM, Kathryn Webster, NABS President via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Students,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>              Please take 30 seconds out of your morning, right now, 
>>> to sign this petition. We cannot continue complaining without taking action.
>>> Join me in signing your name, writing your address, email, and press "sign."
>>> It literally takes 30 seconds. If you are unable to sign, call me and 
>>> I will help make sure you can!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://www.change.org/p/united-states-congress-remove-barriers-to-cl
>>> assroom 
>>> -equality-ensure-accessibility-of-instructional-materials/u/19150685?
>>> recruit
>>> er=1368381
>>> <https://www.change.org/p/united-states-congress-remove-barriers-to-c
>>> lassroo 
>>> m-equality-ensure-accessibility-of-instructional-materials/u/19150685
>>> ?recrui 
>>> ter=1368381&utm_source=share_update&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=sha
>>> re_emai
>>> l_responsive>
>>> &utm_source=share_update&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=share_email_re
>>> sponsiv
>>> e
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> For you, for us,
>>> 
>>> Kathryn Webster
>>> 
>>> President | National Association of Blind Students
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gma
>>> il.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gma
>> il.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com

From spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 26 01:38:39 2017
From: spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net (Jen)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 20:38:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] We need your help!
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR1201MB0092597657D66B9047201FA2BA770@DM5PR1201MB0092.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <04a301d2771e$08f45440$1adcfcc0$@gmail.com>	<398A2689-B7D8-4A66-88C7-C11B197E3EE8@gmail.com>	<9C8DF722-3A44-4639-AA3E-EFF48A86D04B@gmail.com>
	<DM5PR1201MB0092597657D66B9047201FA2BA770@DM5PR1201MB0092.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <000201d27774$ec412650$c4c372f0$@sbcglobal.net>

This link doesn't work. When I press Enter on it, JAWS says, " Certificate
Error: Navigation Blocked" and there is a problem with the Web iste's
security certificate.

Please e-mail me off-list at

spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net

,

and tell me what the petition is about.

Thanks!

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Mohnke via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 7:25 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] We need your help!

Hello All,

Thank you for starting this petition. For anyone who is having difficulty
with the long link, a shorter link you can use to access this petition is
http://bit.ly/2k8hhp4.  Hope this helps.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth



-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jamie P. via
NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 10:28 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Jamie P. <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] We need your help!

Here is the correct URL for the petition. 

https://www.change.org/p/united-states-congress-remove-barriers-to-classroom
-equality-ensure-accessibility-of-instructional-materials?recruiter=75359047
&utm_source=share_for_starters&utm_medium=copyLink

Thanks!

-Jamie

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 25, 2017, at 08:23, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> I tried to sign the petition that it's not available
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 10:16 AM, Kathryn Webster, NABS President via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Students,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>               Please take 30 seconds out of your morning, right now, 
>> to sign this petition. We cannot continue complaining without taking
action.
>> Join me in signing your name, writing your address, email, and press
"sign."
>> It literally takes 30 seconds. If you are unable to sign, call me and 
>> I will help make sure you can!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.change.org/p/united-states-congress-remove-barriers-to-cl
>> assroom 
>> -equality-ensure-accessibility-of-instructional-materials/u/19150685?
>> recruit
>> er=1368381
>> <https://www.change.org/p/united-states-congress-remove-barriers-to-c
>> lassroo 
>> m-equality-ensure-accessibility-of-instructional-materials/u/19150685
>> ?recrui 
>> ter=1368381&utm_source=share_update&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=sha
>> re_emai
>> l_responsive>
>> &utm_source=share_update&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=share_email_re
>> sponsiv
>> e
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> For you, for us,
>> 
>> Kathryn Webster
>> 
>> President | National Association of Blind Students
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gma
>> il.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
NABS-L:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gma
> il.com

_______________________________________________
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NABS-L:
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NABS-L:
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et



From annajee82 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 26 02:05:18 2017
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 19:05:18 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Access to education
Message-ID: <C6D3A1E5-4AEB-41F3-9542-65E1C61DF435@gmail.com>

I am one of millions facing unnecessary barriers in my education. YOU can change this.  
This takes less than one minute to sign.  I'm asking you to sign this. And I'm asking you to share and send this to everyone you know.  This is how we make changes!  Please consider that YOU  really do make a difference!

If you have problems or questions about this, I am happy to help you.  Just ask.  
It is time to make these changes happen!

Click. Sign here:
https://www.change.org/p/united-states-congress-remove-barriers-to-classroom-equality-ensure-accessibility-of-instructional-materials?recruiter=394607631&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink


Sent from my iPhone

From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Thu Jan 26 21:25:54 2017
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 15:25:54 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Scholarships Available for Legally Blind Students,
 apply by April 15, 2017
In-Reply-To: <001101d27814$812dd7f0$838987d0$@gmail.com>
References: <001101d27814$812dd7f0$838987d0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001101d2781a$c7206ec0$55614c40$@visi.com>

The National Federation of the Blind of Minnesota is pleased to announce
that the application window for our 2017 scholarships is open now through
April 15.  Legally blind postsecondary students attending school full-time
in Minnesota are encouraged to apply.  Please download the application and
all pertinent information at http://www.nfbmn.org/students/scholarship.htm
or use the attached document.  If possible, please fill out the application
using the Microsoft Word document and send it with the required documents to
Scholarships.nfbmn at gmail.com.  If it is necessary to submit the application
on paper, use the mailing address supplied with the application.

For help with the application process, please contact me:
Lori Anderson
Scholarship Committee Chair
National Federation of the Blind of Minnesota
Scholarships.nfbmn at gmail.com
612-270-4381


*** A Note from our national office:  Thirty-one scholarships will be
awarded by the National Federation of the Blind.  The deadline for NFB
applications is March 31, 2017.  Details are accessible from the main page
of the National Federation of the Blind website: https://www.nfb.org.  


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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 27 01:42:35 2017
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 01:42:35 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Opinions on Blind Research Techniques
Message-ID: <DM5PR1201MB0092AF8B83B044E6E2F46EBBBA760@DM5PR1201MB0092.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Hello All,

I hope everyone is off to a good start to the beginning of a new semester. I would like to participate in a service learning project for an anthropology class I am taking this semester, and I am wondering if anyone has any tips or advice on conducting participant observational research for social science classes.

The research includes twelve visits observing a first grader during lunch at a local elementary school. We are then asked to propose a specific research topic related to behavior and food, and write a paper based on our observations along with some scholarly resources.

I have never conducted participant observational research before, so I am not completely sure how I would be able to do this as a blind student. Since observing other people includes both visual and non-visual aspects of the environment and the people in it, what would be the best way for me to be able to obtain the visual aspects of the environment and the people in it as a blind student while conducting my research?

Some suggested specific topics for the research paper include food waste, peer pressure related to food choices, socialization during eating periods, physical movement during eating periods, gender differences, influence of authority over food choices, aesthetic presentation of food and its relationship to food choices, and marketing related to food choices.

If anyone knows how I could successfully conduct a participant observational research project as a blind student, I would greatly appreciate hearing from you. However, please note there is also a more traditional research paper assignment for any student who does not wish to complete the service learning project. So this research project is simply an option that I would like to be able to do if I can figure out a way to be able to do it as a blind student.

Thanks,
Elizabeth

From sarah at sarahblakelarose.com  Fri Jan 27 01:44:51 2017
From: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com (sarah at sarahblakelarose.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 20:44:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] introduction and looking to network
Message-ID: <00f601d2783e$f449fa00$dcddee00$@sarahblakelarose.com>

Hello.

 

I am a doctoral student in the doctor of ministry program at Anderson
University (Anderson, Indiana). I am also employed as an adjunct professor
of biblical languages and working some other part-time jobs while I am
completing my studies. 

I am relatively new to the NFB, though I have followed the NFB literature
for many years. I am interested in networking with graduate students or
those attending Christian colleges who are attending Washington seminar. 

Please drop a line if you would like to meet up or otherwise network.

 

Sarah Blake LaRose

http://www.sarahblakelarose.com

 


From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 01:46:07 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 20:46:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Opinions on Blind Research Techniques
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR1201MB0092AF8B83B044E6E2F46EBBBA760@DM5PR1201MB0092.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
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You could have someone go with you.  It would be aloud as an accommodation.
You could have the professor or disability help you find someone, or you
could find your own person. 
You might have to pay them.  Such as paying another college student, or a
classmate.
 Justin


-----Original Message-----
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Mohnke via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 8:43 PM
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social-sciences-list at nfbnet.org
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Opinions on Blind Research Techniques

Hello All,

I hope everyone is off to a good start to the beginning of a new semester. I
would like to participate in a service learning project for an anthropology
class I am taking this semester, and I am wondering if anyone has any tips
or advice on conducting participant observational research for social
science classes.

The research includes twelve visits observing a first grader during lunch at
a local elementary school. We are then asked to propose a specific research
topic related to behavior and food, and write a paper based on our
observations along with some scholarly resources.

I have never conducted participant observational research before, so I am
not completely sure how I would be able to do this as a blind student. Since
observing other people includes both visual and non-visual aspects of the
environment and the people in it, what would be the best way for me to be
able to obtain the visual aspects of the environment and the people in it as
a blind student while conducting my research?

Some suggested specific topics for the research paper include food waste,
peer pressure related to food choices, socialization during eating periods,
physical movement during eating periods, gender differences, influence of
authority over food choices, aesthetic presentation of food and its
relationship to food choices, and marketing related to food choices.

If anyone knows how I could successfully conduct a participant observational
research project as a blind student, I would greatly appreciate hearing from
you. However, please note there is also a more traditional research paper
assignment for any student who does not wish to complete the service
learning project. So this research project is simply an option that I would
like to be able to do if I can figure out a way to be able to do it as a
blind student.

Thanks,
Elizabeth
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 27 02:17:12 2017
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 02:17:12 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Opinions on Blind Research Techniques
In-Reply-To: <012901d2783f$212ebe70$638c3b50$@gmail.com>
References: <DM5PR1201MB0092AF8B83B044E6E2F46EBBBA760@DM5PR1201MB0092.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
	<012901d2783f$212ebe70$638c3b50$@gmail.com>
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Hello Justin,

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my message. Can you expand upon this idea? How would I use another person to conduct my research without this person doing my research for me? If I were to use another person for my research, would my research be based on their observations and not mine? I am the one who needs to be conducting the research and not someone else.

Thanks,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin Williams via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 8:46 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Justin Williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seeking Opinions on Blind Research Techniques

You could have someone go with you.  It would be aloud as an accommodation.
You could have the professor or disability help you find someone, or you could find your own person. 
You might have to pay them.  Such as paying another college student, or a classmate.
 Justin


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 8:43 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; social-sciences-list at nfbnet.org
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Opinions on Blind Research Techniques

Hello All,

I hope everyone is off to a good start to the beginning of a new semester. I would like to participate in a service learning project for an anthropology class I am taking this semester, and I am wondering if anyone has any tips or advice on conducting participant observational research for social science classes.

The research includes twelve visits observing a first grader during lunch at a local elementary school. We are then asked to propose a specific research topic related to behavior and food, and write a paper based on our observations along with some scholarly resources.

I have never conducted participant observational research before, so I am not completely sure how I would be able to do this as a blind student. Since observing other people includes both visual and non-visual aspects of the environment and the people in it, what would be the best way for me to be able to obtain the visual aspects of the environment and the people in it as a blind student while conducting my research?

Some suggested specific topics for the research paper include food waste, peer pressure related to food choices, socialization during eating periods, physical movement during eating periods, gender differences, influence of authority over food choices, aesthetic presentation of food and its relationship to food choices, and marketing related to food choices.

If anyone knows how I could successfully conduct a participant observational research project as a blind student, I would greatly appreciate hearing from you. However, please note there is also a more traditional research paper assignment for any student who does not wish to complete the service learning project. So this research project is simply an option that I would like to be able to do if I can figure out a way to be able to do it as a blind student.

Thanks,
Elizabeth
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 02:21:36 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 21:21:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Opinions on Blind Research Techniques
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	<DM5PR1201MB00920A20349596B987BF1288BA760@DM5PR1201MB0092.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
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You would tell them what to look for, so you probably would want to have it
written down listed out for you to look at so you can instruct them when you
guys are on cite.  They are only going to tell you what they see.  You've
got to be organized, and you should probably allow them to read the research
project, but their job is to tell you what they see and your job is to write
it up through your own interpretation.
Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Mohnke via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 9:17 PM
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Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seeking Opinions on Blind Research Techniques

Hello Justin,

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my message. Can you expand upon
this idea? How would I use another person to conduct my research without
this person doing my research for me? If I were to use another person for my
research, would my research be based on their observations and not mine? I
am the one who needs to be conducting the research and not someone else.

Thanks,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin Williams
via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 8:46 PM
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Cc: Justin Williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seeking Opinions on Blind Research Techniques

You could have someone go with you.  It would be aloud as an accommodation.
You could have the professor or disability help you find someone, or you
could find your own person. 
You might have to pay them.  Such as paying another college student, or a
classmate.
 Justin


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Mohnke via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 8:43 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>;
social-sciences-list at nfbnet.org
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Opinions on Blind Research Techniques

Hello All,

I hope everyone is off to a good start to the beginning of a new semester. I
would like to participate in a service learning project for an anthropology
class I am taking this semester, and I am wondering if anyone has any tips
or advice on conducting participant observational research for social
science classes.

The research includes twelve visits observing a first grader during lunch at
a local elementary school. We are then asked to propose a specific research
topic related to behavior and food, and write a paper based on our
observations along with some scholarly resources.

I have never conducted participant observational research before, so I am
not completely sure how I would be able to do this as a blind student. Since
observing other people includes both visual and non-visual aspects of the
environment and the people in it, what would be the best way for me to be
able to obtain the visual aspects of the environment and the people in it as
a blind student while conducting my research?

Some suggested specific topics for the research paper include food waste,
peer pressure related to food choices, socialization during eating periods,
physical movement during eating periods, gender differences, influence of
authority over food choices, aesthetic presentation of food and its
relationship to food choices, and marketing related to food choices.

If anyone knows how I could successfully conduct a participant observational
research project as a blind student, I would greatly appreciate hearing from
you. However, please note there is also a more traditional research paper
assignment for any student who does not wish to complete the service
learning project. So this research project is simply an option that I would
like to be able to do if I can figure out a way to be able to do it as a
blind student.

Thanks,
Elizabeth
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From jlestermusic at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 02:53:22 2017
From: jlestermusic at gmail.com (Joshua Lester)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 18:53:22 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] introduction and looking to network
In-Reply-To: <00f601d2783e$f449fa00$dcddee00$@sarahblakelarose.com>
References: <00f601d2783e$f449fa00$dcddee00$@sarahblakelarose.com>
Message-ID: <14B38AFE-A3FE-42AD-8A15-2F1B873ED2A8@gmail.com>

I'm not a student anymore, and I won't be going to Washington seminar. I am an ordained minister though. I have family in Indiana. You can email me off list. Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 26, 2017, at 5:44 PM, Sarah via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello.
> 
> 
> 
> I am a doctoral student in the doctor of ministry program at Anderson
> University (Anderson, Indiana). I am also employed as an adjunct professor
> of biblical languages and working some other part-time jobs while I am
> completing my studies. 
> 
> I am relatively new to the NFB, though I have followed the NFB literature
> for many years. I am interested in networking with graduate students or
> those attending Christian colleges who are attending Washington seminar. 
> 
> Please drop a line if you would like to meet up or otherwise network.
> 
> 
> 
> Sarah Blake LaRose
> 
> http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
> 
> 
> 
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 03:19:23 2017
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 22:19:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Opinions on Blind Research Techniques
Message-ID: <588abc3d.415b810a.3d57e.867c@mx.google.com>

Hi Elizabeth,

You would still be going to the sight, listening to the 
conversations that go on, paying attention to all the other 
auditory cues you can etc.  Taking someone with you could work 
something like when an actual anthropologist uses a translator 
except instead of translating one language to another, they would 
be translating specific visual information that you asked them 
for (like what the students eat, how much they leave on their 
plates, etc.).  I think given your list of topics, a lot of this 
isn't visual anyway, so you could do this on your own.  All the 
things involving authority over food choices and peer pressure, 
for instance, involve paying attention to conversations, which 
you could do at least as well as any sighted person.

HTH,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 02:17:12 +0000
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seeking Opinions on Blind Research 
Techniques

Hello Justin,

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my message. Can you 
expand upon this idea? How would I use another person to conduct 
my research without this person doing my research for me? If I 
were to use another person for my research, would my research be 
based on their observations and not mine? I am the one who needs 
to be conducting the research and not someone else.

Thanks,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Justin Williams via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 8:46 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Justin Williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seeking Opinions on Blind Research 
Techniques

You could have someone go with you.  It would be aloud as an 
accommodation.
You could have the professor or disability help you find someone, 
or you could find your own person.
You might have to pay them.  Such as paying another college 
student, or a classmate.
 Justin


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 8:43 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; social-sciences-list at nfbnet.org
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Opinions on Blind Research Techniques

Hello All,

I hope everyone is off to a good start to the beginning of a new 
semester. I would like to participate in a service learning 
project for an anthropology class I am taking this semester, and 
I am wondering if anyone has any tips or advice on conducting 
participant observational research for social science classes.

The research includes twelve visits observing a first grader 
during lunch at a local elementary school. We are then asked to 
propose a specific research topic related to behavior and food, 
and write a paper based on our observations along with some 
scholarly resources.

I have never conducted participant observational research before, 
so I am not completely sure how I would be able to do this as a 
blind student. Since observing other people includes both visual 
and non-visual aspects of the environment and the people in it, 
what would be the best way for me to be able to obtain the visual 
aspects of the environment and the people in it as a blind 
student while conducting my research?

Some suggested specific topics for the research paper include 
food waste, peer pressure related to food choices, socialization 
during eating periods, physical movement during eating periods, 
gender differences, influence of authority over food choices, 
aesthetic presentation of food and its relationship to food 
choices, and marketing related to food choices.

If anyone knows how I could successfully conduct a participant 
observational research project as a blind student, I would 
greatly appreciate hearing from you. However, please note there 
is also a more traditional research paper assignment for any 
student who does not wish to complete the service learning 
project. So this research project is simply an option that I 
would like to be able to do if I can figure out a way to be able 
to do it as a blind student.

Thanks,
Elizabeth
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 03:21:53 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 22:21:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Opinions on Blind Research Techniques
In-Reply-To: <588abc3d.415b810a.3d57e.867c@mx.google.com>
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Great explanation. Karl.
She can still listen, an dpick up on a lot of other things
Justin

-----Original Message-----
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Adam via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:19 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seeking Opinions on Blind Research Techniques

Hi Elizabeth,

You would still be going to the sight, listening to the conversations that
go on, paying attention to all the other auditory cues you can etc.  Taking
someone with you could work something like when an actual anthropologist
uses a translator except instead of translating one language to another,
they would be translating specific visual information that you asked them
for (like what the students eat, how much they leave on their plates, etc.).
I think given your list of topics, a lot of this isn't visual anyway, so you
could do this on your own.  All the things involving authority over food
choices and peer pressure, for instance, involve paying attention to
conversations, which you could do at least as well as any sighted person.

HTH,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 02:17:12 +0000
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seeking Opinions on Blind Research Techniques

Hello Justin,

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my message. Can you expand upon
this idea? How would I use another person to conduct my research without
this person doing my research for me? If I were to use another person for my
research, would my research be based on their observations and not mine? I
am the one who needs to be conducting the research and not someone else.

Thanks,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin Williams
via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 8:46 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Justin Williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seeking Opinions on Blind Research Techniques

You could have someone go with you.  It would be aloud as an accommodation.
You could have the professor or disability help you find someone, or you
could find your own person.
You might have to pay them.  Such as paying another college student, or a
classmate.
 Justin


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Mohnke via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 8:43 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>;
social-sciences-list at nfbnet.org
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Opinions on Blind Research Techniques

Hello All,

I hope everyone is off to a good start to the beginning of a new semester. I
would like to participate in a service learning project for an anthropology
class I am taking this semester, and I am wondering if anyone has any tips
or advice on conducting participant observational research for social
science classes.

The research includes twelve visits observing a first grader during lunch at
a local elementary school. We are then asked to propose a specific research
topic related to behavior and food, and write a paper based on our
observations along with some scholarly resources.

I have never conducted participant observational research before, so I am
not completely sure how I would be able to do this as a blind student. Since
observing other people includes both visual and non-visual aspects of the
environment and the people in it, what would be the best way for me to be
able to obtain the visual aspects of the environment and the people in it as
a blind student while conducting my research?

Some suggested specific topics for the research paper include food waste,
peer pressure related to food choices, socialization during eating periods,
physical movement during eating periods, gender differences, influence of
authority over food choices, aesthetic presentation of food and its
relationship to food choices, and marketing related to food choices.

If anyone knows how I could successfully conduct a participant observational
research project as a blind student, I would greatly appreciate hearing from
you. However, please note there is also a more traditional research paper
assignment for any student who does not wish to complete the service
learning project. So this research project is simply an option that I would
like to be able to do if I can figure out a way to be able to do it as a
blind student.

Thanks,
Elizabeth
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From logan4447 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 03:44:15 2017
From: logan4447 at gmail.com (Logan Anderson)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 22:44:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] introduction and looking to network
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Hello,
My name is Logan, and I am just welcoming you to the list. I am also from Indiana attending Ball State University. 
> On Jan 26, 2017, at 8:44 PM, Sarah via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello.
> 
> 
> 
> I am a doctoral student in the doctor of ministry program at Anderson
> University (Anderson, Indiana). I am also employed as an adjunct professor
> of biblical languages and working some other part-time jobs while I am
> completing my studies. 
> 
> I am relatively new to the NFB, though I have followed the NFB literature
> for many years. I am interested in networking with graduate students or
> those attending Christian colleges who are attending Washington seminar. 
> 
> Please drop a line if you would like to meet up or otherwise network.
> 
> 
> 
> Sarah Blake LaRose
> 
> http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
> 
> 
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From logan4447 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 03:51:54 2017
From: logan4447 at gmail.com (Logan Anderson)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 22:51:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] College Science Classes
Message-ID: <0EBA5BFF-47C7-4B57-BD4C-45AD4EDE00EF@gmail.com>

Hello all,

 I have not written to this list in awhile as I have been quite busy. 
 I recently changed my major from psychology to biology with a genetics focus. I am also considering a double major in pre-medicine because it is only a few more classes, some of which I planned to take anyway. My question deals with strategies for tackling very visual lab classes such as general chemistry and later, organic chemistry. Have any of you taken these courses and have any strategies you have used to complete the courses that you wouldn’t mind sharing with me? I am a completely blind student. As of now I have a lab assistant in the courses I need one in, and my chemistry professor builds model kits of pertinent molecule information for me. We use the Aleks program for homework and I have someone, the lab assistant I spoke of earlier, help me with that. I wonder though if there might be a better way to do the homework. My goal for the future is to do genetics research so this information from my lab sciences is incredibly important. 
Thank you,
Logan

From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 27 03:53:13 2017
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 03:53:13 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Opinions on Blind Research Techniques
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Hello Karl,

I do not understand how someone could tell what someone is or is not eating based on pressure and authority figures. Is there any way you could explain this to me? I am not quite sure how conversations alone could tell me what someone actually eats or leaves behind on their plates or in their lunch box.

As for directing people to look for certain things, I would believe this would be rather difficult in the beginning as I would simply be observing while eating lunch with my first grade buddy. I would simply be making general observations about what is going on around me so that I could possibly find something to focus my research paper on. However, if I am only looking for specific things in the beginning then I could miss out on other things that might be important for my research. 

So would I simply ask other people to describe what is going on visually around me? And if I am not able to find some sort of visual assistant, then how else could I complete this project? We need to observe during twelve lunch periods that are about an hour and a half long. I currently do not have the money to pay anyone to assist me, and I am already at odds with my disabilities office regarding readers for other classes.

I would really like to be able to conduct the research on my own rather than depend on the observations of others for my research. I think it is one thing to have someone assist you by interpreting words and a completely different thing to have someone assist you by interpreting actual observations. It seems like they would be the one doing the research and not me.

Thanks,
Elizabeth
-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:19 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seeking Opinions on Blind Research Techniques

Hi Elizabeth,

You would still be going to the sight, listening to the conversations that go on, paying attention to all the other auditory cues you can etc.  Taking someone with you could work something like when an actual anthropologist uses a translator except instead of translating one language to another, they would be translating specific visual information that you asked them for (like what the students eat, how much they leave on their plates, etc.).  I think given your list of topics, a lot of this isn't visual anyway, so you could do this on your own.  All the things involving authority over food choices and peer pressure, for instance, involve paying attention to conversations, which you could do at least as well as any sighted person.

HTH,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
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To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 02:17:12 +0000
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seeking Opinions on Blind Research Techniques

Hello Justin,

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my message. Can you expand upon this idea? How would I use another person to conduct my research without this person doing my research for me? If I were to use another person for my research, would my research be based on their observations and not mine? I am the one who needs to be conducting the research and not someone else.

Thanks,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin Williams via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 8:46 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Justin Williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seeking Opinions on Blind Research Techniques

You could have someone go with you.  It would be aloud as an accommodation.
You could have the professor or disability help you find someone, or you could find your own person.
You might have to pay them.  Such as paying another college student, or a classmate.
 Justin


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 8:43 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; social-sciences-list at nfbnet.org
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Opinions on Blind Research Techniques

Hello All,

I hope everyone is off to a good start to the beginning of a new semester. I would like to participate in a service learning project for an anthropology class I am taking this semester, and I am wondering if anyone has any tips or advice on conducting participant observational research for social science classes.

The research includes twelve visits observing a first grader during lunch at a local elementary school. We are then asked to propose a specific research topic related to behavior and food, and write a paper based on our observations along with some scholarly resources.

I have never conducted participant observational research before, so I am not completely sure how I would be able to do this as a blind student. Since observing other people includes both visual and non-visual aspects of the environment and the people in it, what would be the best way for me to be able to obtain the visual aspects of the environment and the people in it as a blind student while conducting my research?

Some suggested specific topics for the research paper include food waste, peer pressure related to food choices, socialization during eating periods, physical movement during eating periods, gender differences, influence of authority over food choices, aesthetic presentation of food and its relationship to food choices, and marketing related to food choices.

If anyone knows how I could successfully conduct a participant observational research project as a blind student, I would greatly appreciate hearing from you. However, please note there is also a more traditional research paper assignment for any student who does not wish to complete the service learning project. So this research project is simply an option that I would like to be able to do if I can figure out a way to be able to do it as a blind student.

Thanks,
Elizabeth
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 05:10:48 2017
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 00:10:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Opinions on Blind Research Techniques
Message-ID: <588ad65a.8bdd0d0a.4fb8c.8c32@mx.google.com>

Hi Elizabeth,

Well I was imagining the idea is to look at interactions between 
students and others, which would involve other people telling the 
students that they have to take certain things on there tray or 
that they haven't eaten enough and such.  Measuring how much of 
the student's food has actually been eaten, would, as you 
suggest, probably require sighted assistance.  And just going and 
looking around hoping something will strike you as interesting is 
bad research design.  You should start out with a research 
question before you go to your first observation.  Of course 
something unexpected might come up, and you might change your 
mind about what to study, but whether your sighted or not, to 
make systematic observations you have to know what your looking 
for to make sure you make a note of each instance.  Typically 
anthropologists have to get a grant to fund research, which 
requires having looked at the relevant literature and come up 
with a research question and a detailed plan to answer it.  Given 
that you are deciding what to focus your research on, you can 
pick a question that can be answered non-visually.  Perhaps 
something about the dynamics of conversations among the students?  
Or something that involves you asking the students about their 
opinions of the food that day or about their classes?  Or 
listening for staff interactions with students?

Best,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 03:53:13 +0000
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seeking Opinions on Blind Research 
Techniques

Hello Karl,

I do not understand how someone could tell what someone is or is 
not eating based on pressure and authority figures. Is there any 
way you could explain this to me? I am not quite sure how 
conversations alone could tell me what someone actually eats or 
leaves behind on their plates or in their lunch box.

As for directing people to look for certain things, I would 
believe this would be rather difficult in the beginning as I 
would simply be observing while eating lunch with my first grade 
buddy. I would simply be making general observations about what 
is going on around me so that I could possibly find something to 
focus my research paper on. However, if I am only looking for 
specific things in the beginning then I could miss out on other 
things that might be important for my research.

So would I simply ask other people to describe what is going on 
visually around me? And if I am not able to find some sort of 
visual assistant, then how else could I complete this project? We 
need to observe during twelve lunch periods that are about an 
hour and a half long. I currently do not have the money to pay 
anyone to assist me, and I am already at odds with my 
disabilities office regarding readers for other classes.

I would really like to be able to conduct the research on my own 
rather than depend on the observations of others for my research. 
I think it is one thing to have someone assist you by 
interpreting words and a completely different thing to have 
someone assist you by interpreting actual observations. It seems 
like they would be the one doing the research and not me.

Thanks,
Elizabeth
-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl 
Martin Adam via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:19 PM
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<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seeking Opinions on Blind Research 
Techniques

Hi Elizabeth,

You would still be going to the sight, listening to the 
conversations that go on, paying attention to all the other 
auditory cues you can etc.  Taking someone with you could work 
something like when an actual anthropologist uses a translator 
except instead of translating one language to another, they would 
be translating specific visual information that you asked them 
for (like what the students eat, how much they leave on their 
plates, etc.).  I think given your list of topics, a lot of this 
isn't visual anyway, so you could do this on your own.  All the 
things involving authority over food choices and peer pressure, 
for instance, involve paying attention to conversations, which 
you could do at least as well as any sighted person.

HTH,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 02:17:12 +0000
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seeking Opinions on Blind Research 
Techniques

Hello Justin,

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my message. Can you 
expand upon this idea? How would I use another person to conduct 
my research without this person doing my research for me? If I 
were to use another person for my research, would my research be 
based on their observations and not mine? I am the one who needs 
to be conducting the research and not someone else.

Thanks,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Justin Williams via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 8:46 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Justin Williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seeking Opinions on Blind Research 
Techniques

You could have someone go with you.  It would be aloud as an 
accommodation.
You could have the professor or disability help you find someone, 
or you could find your own person.
You might have to pay them.  Such as paying another college 
student, or a classmate.
 Justin


-----Original Message-----
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Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 8:43 PM
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Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Opinions on Blind Research Techniques

Hello All,

I hope everyone is off to a good start to the beginning of a new 
semester. I would like to participate in a service learning 
project for an anthropology class I am taking this semester, and 
I am wondering if anyone has any tips or advice on conducting 
participant observational research for social science classes.

The research includes twelve visits observing a first grader 
during lunch at a local elementary school. We are then asked to 
propose a specific research topic related to behavior and food, 
and write a paper based on our observations along with some 
scholarly resources.

I have never conducted participant observational research before, 
so I am not completely sure how I would be able to do this as a 
blind student. Since observing other people includes both visual 
and non-visual aspects of the environment and the people in it, 
what would be the best way for me to be able to obtain the visual 
aspects of the environment and the people in it as a blind 
student while conducting my research?

Some suggested specific topics for the research paper include 
food waste, peer pressure related to food choices, socialization 
during eating periods, physical movement during eating periods, 
gender differences, influence of authority over food choices, 
aesthetic presentation of food and its relationship to food 
choices, and marketing related to food choices.

If anyone knows how I could successfully conduct a participant 
observational research project as a blind student, I would 
greatly appreciate hearing from you. However, please note there 
is also a more traditional research paper assignment for any 
student who does not wish to complete the service learning 
project. So this research project is simply an option that I 
would like to be able to do if I can figure out a way to be able 
to do it as a blind student.

Thanks,
Elizabeth
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From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Fri Jan 27 07:10:58 2017
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 02:10:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] College Science Classes
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Hey Logan,

I am not sure if it would help but I think you should check out
independencescience.com (I think that is what it is).
They have some cool products/ways of adapting Etc. and, if you can
indicate necessity, your state may be able to help you out with
purchasing such assistive tech. They have software that is connected
to Lab Quest but they are able to customize to other products on an
individual basis (which would be costly but potentially worth it if
you will continue using the system throughout undergrad, graduate/work
or all three areas).
Hope this helps!
Christina

On 1/26/17, Logan Anderson via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
>  I have not written to this list in awhile as I have been quite busy.
>  I recently changed my major from psychology to biology with a genetics
> focus. I am also considering a double major in pre-medicine because it is
> only a few more classes, some of which I planned to take anyway. My question
> deals with strategies for tackling very visual lab classes such as general
> chemistry and later, organic chemistry. Have any of you taken these courses
> and have any strategies you have used to complete the courses that you
> wouldn’t mind sharing with me? I am a completely blind student. As of now I
> have a lab assistant in the courses I need one in, and my chemistry
> professor builds model kits of pertinent molecule information for me. We use
> the Aleks program for homework and I have someone, the lab assistant I spoke
> of earlier, help me with that. I wonder though if there might be a better
> way to do the homework. My goal for the future is to do genetics research so
> this information from my lab sciences is incredibly important.
> Thank you,
> Logan
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 07:49:43 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 23:49:43 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] How to Work with a Tutor
Message-ID: <588afbad.95d9620a.d2698.ac17@mx.google.com>

Hi All,
I would like to work with a math tutor, and I know that my school 
has many available, but was just looking for some tips.  I know 
that as the student, it will be my responsibility to run the 
sessions.
For these of you who have used math tutors, how do you have them 
help you? Do you have them guide you to doing homework?
Personally, I would prefer to use supplemental material to work 
with the tutor, because sometimes I find that even if I 
understand the examples in the book but have trouble applying 
them to the concept itself.
Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Vejas


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 13:38:40 2017
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 08:38:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] College Science Classes
Message-ID: <588b4d98.87986b0a.36320.f4db@mx.google.com>

Hi Logan thanks for your message.  I would take notes on the 
homework problems that focus on genetics.  When I took a biology 
class online at Seminole State College, I had a private tutor who 
assisted me with the online quizzes.  I was able to read the 
chapters on my own during the week.


From sarah at sarahblakelarose.com  Fri Jan 27 15:46:50 2017
From: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com (sarah at sarahblakelarose.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 10:46:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] introduction and looking to network
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References: <00f601d2783e$f449fa00$dcddee00$@sarahblakelarose.com>
	<2E5CC73C-9FC9-4F06-85DD-453D5957FA1E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001b01d278b4$94877f40$bd967dc0$@sarahblakelarose.com>

Hi, Logan. Thanks for the welcome! Always good to meet neighbors.


-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] introduction and looking to network

Hello,
My name is Logan, and I am just welcoming you to the list. I am also from
Indiana attending Ball State University. 
> On Jan 26, 2017, at 8:44 PM, Sarah via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello.
> 
> 
> 
> I am a doctoral student in the doctor of ministry program at Anderson 
> University (Anderson, Indiana). I am also employed as an adjunct 
> professor of biblical languages and working some other part-time jobs 
> while I am completing my studies.
> 
> I am relatively new to the NFB, though I have followed the NFB 
> literature for many years. I am interested in networking with graduate 
> students or those attending Christian colleges who are attending
Washington seminar.
> 
> Please drop a line if you would like to meet up or otherwise network.
> 
> 
> 
> Sarah Blake LaRose
> 
> http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
> 
> 
> 
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 27 16:38:33 2017
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 16:38:33 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] How to Work with a Tutor
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Hello Vejas,

I have used a reader to help me read through the homework problems and write out my answers. If you are looking for a tutor to help you with math, I would start out by telling this person exactly what you have stated in this email.

If you are looking to go over more examples that show how to do each step of the problem, the math tutor should be able to help you find more examples to help you understand the material. However, the tutor should also be able to help you go through a homework problem step by step to help you solve it at which may also serve as an example. 

I know that for the math classes at my college, we do not need to do every homework problem that appears in the textbook. So if you are not assigned to do every problem in the textbook as part of your homework assignment, you could go through a couple of the problems that are not assigned with a tutor to serve as more examples.

In my opinion, a good tutor should be able to walk you through each step of a problem without necessarily reading through a textbook example on how to do each step of the problem. Sometimes different people explain things a bit differently, so perhaps your tutor can help explain things a bit differently than your professor in a way that will help you be able to understand things better.

I hope this gives you some ideas about how to work with a tutor. I am not sure if there really is a right way and a wrong way to work with a tutor as everyone learns things differently. So I think the best thing is to find what works best for you.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth
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Hi All,
I would like to work with a math tutor, and I know that my school has many available, but was just looking for some tips.  I know that as the student, it will be my responsibility to run the sessions.
For these of you who have used math tutors, how do you have them help you? Do you have them guide you to doing homework?
Personally, I would prefer to use supplemental material to work with the tutor, because sometimes I find that even if I understand the examples in the book but have trouble applying them to the concept itself.
Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Vejas

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From lily2011a at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 17:03:23 2017
From: lily2011a at gmail.com (lily2011a at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 10:03:23 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] College Science Classes
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Hi Logan,
I am a holistic premed major and have had to take some science courses including biology, anatomy and physiology, and general chemistry.
I found having a reader really helps with being able to complete some of the pre-lab assignments and post lab assignments as well as some of the homework. Unfortunately, McGraw-Hill and Pearson are not very accessible and a lot of times that's what the science classes use for homework platforms.

This was the case in my biology and anatomy and physiology  courses.  The professor instead wrote out quizzes for me to complete for each chapter that was covered. The professor would take questions from the McGraw-Hill and Pearson websites and put the questions and choices into a word document.
I would write in my answer at the end of each question and email it back to the professor. The professor would then grade my quiz and count it as turned in homework.
The professor would give feedback and let me know what answer I got wrong and would explain why I got this answer incorrect.  Of course, this takes time for the professor. So the professor has to be willing to work with you.
I would advise meeting with your science professors as soon as you register for the science courses to talk about accommodations. This gives the professor time to prepare additional material or work with you to ensure that you have an equal Learning experience.  Also, 3-D models really helped me grasp concepts in my anatomy and physiology classes.  A lot of the cited students use the 3-D models as well. My biology department already had 3-D models and they were willing to purchase  more not only for me but for everyone else.
You should check to see if your biology department has 3-D models. Also, does your disability office have an embosser?   If you are more of a hands-on visual learner like I am, you might want some of your materials in braille or raised image format. 
General chemistry is a lot of formulas and mathematical equations. I found that going to class didn't help me learn much because the instructor would write the questions on the board and he would not verbalize what he was writing.  He told me that, verbalizing everything he wrote on the board would take up more class time. I was not able to grasp how he would solve the problems on the board. However, I was able to work past that dilemma by taking pictures with my iPhone of the examples that the prof wrote out on the board. I would then meet with my reader. The reader would then help me by reading the equation and how the professor solved it in the example. I would type all that information into my braille note and study it later. I would also advise you to perhaps get some of your chemistry books in braille to help you be able to understand how to do the math equations. Again, if you are a hands-on/visual learner like I am.
Hope this helps some. If you need more suggestions or input, feel free to email me off list.  We can also schedule a phone call, if you would like. 
Liliya
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> Hi Logan thanks for your message.  I would take notes on the homework problems that focus on genetics.  When I took a biology class online at Seminole State College, I had a private tutor who assisted me with the online quizzes.  I was able to read the chapters on my own during the week.
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 27 19:19:28 2017
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 19:19:28 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Help for a Science Class
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Hello All,

I have had a rather difficult start to my semester, and I am currently struggling with a basic environmental science class that I thought would be an easy class for me to take. However, it has been one battle after another in terms of being able to receive accommodations for my classes. I have already had to drop a math class due to a lack of accommodations, and I really do not want to have to drop my science class as well.

When I talked to my professor last semester, I was told that I needed to talk to disabilities office to receive accommodations for my class. Since I was able to work well with a reader for another science class last semester, I thought this would be the best way for me to take my science class this semester.

However, the reader I had last semester is no longer there, and the disabilities office failed to hire and train new readers before the beginning of the semester. As a result, I have three different readers working with me for each day that my class meets. This makes things rather difficult for me. One  of the readers is not a good reader and I do not understand why the disabilities office hired this person as a reader.

When I met with my professor last semester, I was told there would be in-class activities throughout the semester. However, my professor did not tell me that she teaches the class in a rather visual manner. This would not be that big of a problem if I had a consistent reader who could easily read or explain the visual aspects of the class to me. We are expected to work on the in-class activities individually, so I am not quite sure how well teaming up with one of my classmates would work for completing the in-class activities and visual handouts. I do not think it is reasonable to ask classmates to describe or explain something visual on a handout while they are trying to figure out and understand this information for themselves.

I am afraid that If I talk to my professor that she will tell me to talk to the disabilities office. It seems as though accommodations for classes is totally separate from the actual classes even though it makes more sense for the accommodations to be integrated with the actual classes. However, I am afraid that if I talk to the disabilities office that they will tell me that they have already provided me with the accommodations necessary for this class. This is what they told me for my math class. I am scared to talk to the disabilities office about this problem because of the way I was treated when I tried talking to the disabilities office about the problem for my math class.

If I had the money to pay for my own readers, then I would simply go and find my readers for my classes. However, I do not have the money to pay for readers right now, and I am afraid that if I advertise for readers for classes on campus that I would get into some sort of trouble with my disabilities office. And I would still need to successfully argue to use my own reader for tests and exams. I understand there are ways around such an obstacle. However, given the tone of the horrible meeting I had with the disabilities office at the beginning of the semester, it appears as though the college has a very limited view on what accommodations I can actually use.

I am finding it to be rather difficult, frustrating, and overwhelming in trying to figure out how to get the accommodations I need for my science class. I have also been told that I should file complaints against all the things that are not accessible to me as a blind student on campus. And I am finding this to be difficult, frustrating, and overwhelming to do all on my own. I feel like I simply do not have the time or the ability to provide all the specific details that would be needed to file a complaint in a professional manner while I am struggling to up with my classes. But every time I turn around there is one more thing that is not accessible to me as a blind student.

Some days I really just want to give up because of how difficult, frustrating, and overwhelming things have become for me. But instead, I keep trying to reach out to others to see if anyone might able to help me. If I keep reaching out to other people then maybe I might be able to find someone who is able and has the time to help me.

Thanks,
Elizabeth

From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 19:34:11 2017
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 14:34:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Help for a Science Class
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Hi Elizabeth thanks for your message.  I always sent an email to 
my disability office at the beginning of each semester to make 
sure that my accommodation letters were sent out.  Each professor 
had a copy of the letter to keep for their records so they knew 
what accommedations I would need.  Do you get funding from your 
local rehabilitation agency? If so you can contact your counselor 
there and see if they have a tutor to assist you with your 
science classes.


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 22:15:58 2017
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 17:15:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Networking and communication workshop at Washington
 Seminar this Sunday-take the quiz to find your communication profile!
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Hi all,
For those of you who will be at Washington Seminar, I hope you will
check out the "many communicate, few connect" workshop on Sunday
afternoon. There will be a networking seminar from 3:00 to 4:15 p.m.
and a communication styles workshop from 4:45 to 6:15 p.m. in the
House room at the main hotel. The cost is $15 for one workshop or $20
for both.
If you are coming to the communication workshop, please fill out the
quiz to find out your communication type! The link is at:
http://bit.ly/2izEoYG
There will be time to take the quiz during the seminar, but it may be
easier to do it before you arrive. After you complete the quiz, it
will tell you what your communication type is, which will be explained
more at the workshop.

Best, Arielle


From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 27 22:37:39 2017
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 17:37:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Opinions on Blind Research Techniques
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Carl,

Excellent advice. I agree that taking a sighted observer is an appropriate 
accommodation. I ran into issues with that as iI tried to observe for my 
first major of elementary ed. My disability counselor actually objected with 
the same things Elizabeth says. She thought that having a sighted person 
with me would mean they were doing the research, not me. I argued otherwise 
but did not convence her. What I did was pair up with another student who 
informed me of the visuals after we left the class.

Having sighted help as long as you are in control is fine.

However, I understand Elizabeth's disability office is not helpful and nor 
was mine at Marymount.
A few alternatives to getting the visuals down. She could ask the students 
after lunch about their experiences such as what they ate and if they liked 
it. Did they pick the food, or was it something their parents packed and 
imposed on them? If they have a lunch box, did they choose it and if so, 
why? A lunch box is an artifact in terms of communication and 
anthropological research.

She can also ask the lunch room monitor about what is happening.

HTH,
Ashley

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Hi Elizabeth,

Well I was imagining the idea is to look at interactions between
students and others, which would involve other people telling the
students that they have to take certain things on there tray or
that they haven't eaten enough and such.  Measuring how much of
the student's food has actually been eaten, would, as you
suggest, probably require sighted assistance.  And just going and
looking around hoping something will strike you as interesting is
bad research design.  You should start out with a research
question before you go to your first observation.  Of course
something unexpected might come up, and you might change your
mind about what to study, but whether your sighted or not, to
make systematic observations you have to know what your looking
for to make sure you make a note of each instance.  Typically
anthropologists have to get a grant to fund research, which
requires having looked at the relevant literature and come up
with a research question and a detailed plan to answer it.  Given
that you are deciding what to focus your research on, you can
pick a question that can be answered non-visually.  Perhaps
something about the dynamics of conversations among the students?
Or something that involves you asking the students about their
opinions of the food that day or about their classes?  Or
listening for staff interactions with students?

Best,
Karl

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Hello Karl,

I do not understand how someone could tell what someone is or is
not eating based on pressure and authority figures. Is there any
way you could explain this to me? I am not quite sure how
conversations alone could tell me what someone actually eats or
leaves behind on their plates or in their lunch box.

As for directing people to look for certain things, I would
believe this would be rather difficult in the beginning as I
would simply be observing while eating lunch with my first grade
buddy. I would simply be making general observations about what
is going on around me so that I could possibly find something to
focus my research paper on. However, if I am only looking for
specific things in the beginning then I could miss out on other
things that might be important for my research.

So would I simply ask other people to describe what is going on
visually around me? And if I am not able to find some sort of
visual assistant, then how else could I complete this project? We
need to observe during twelve lunch periods that are about an
hour and a half long. I currently do not have the money to pay
anyone to assist me, and I am already at odds with my
disabilities office regarding readers for other classes.

I would really like to be able to conduct the research on my own
rather than depend on the observations of others for my research.
I think it is one thing to have someone assist you by
interpreting words and a completely different thing to have
someone assist you by interpreting actual observations. It seems
like they would be the one doing the research and not me.

Thanks,
Elizabeth
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Hi Elizabeth,

You would still be going to the sight, listening to the
conversations that go on, paying attention to all the other
auditory cues you can etc.  Taking someone with you could work
something like when an actual anthropologist uses a translator
except instead of translating one language to another, they would
be translating specific visual information that you asked them
for (like what the students eat, how much they leave on their
plates, etc.).  I think given your list of topics, a lot of this
isn't visual anyway, so you could do this on your own.  All the
things involving authority over food choices and peer pressure,
for instance, involve paying attention to conversations, which
you could do at least as well as any sighted person.

HTH,
Karl

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Hello Justin,

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my message. Can you
expand upon this idea? How would I use another person to conduct
my research without this person doing my research for me? If I
were to use another person for my research, would my research be
based on their observations and not mine? I am the one who needs
to be conducting the research and not someone else.

Thanks,
Elizabeth

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You could have someone go with you.  It would be aloud as an
accommodation.
You could have the professor or disability help you find someone,
or you could find your own person.
You might have to pay them.  Such as paying another college
student, or a classmate.
Justin


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Hello All,

I hope everyone is off to a good start to the beginning of a new
semester. I would like to participate in a service learning
project for an anthropology class I am taking this semester, and
I am wondering if anyone has any tips or advice on conducting
participant observational research for social science classes.

The research includes twelve visits observing a first grader
during lunch at a local elementary school. We are then asked to
propose a specific research topic related to behavior and food,
and write a paper based on our observations along with some
scholarly resources.

I have never conducted participant observational research before,
so I am not completely sure how I would be able to do this as a
blind student. Since observing other people includes both visual
and non-visual aspects of the environment and the people in it,
what would be the best way for me to be able to obtain the visual
aspects of the environment and the people in it as a blind
student while conducting my research?

Some suggested specific topics for the research paper include
food waste, peer pressure related to food choices, socialization
during eating periods, physical movement during eating periods,
gender differences, influence of authority over food choices,
aesthetic presentation of food and its relationship to food
choices, and marketing related to food choices.

If anyone knows how I could successfully conduct a participant
observational research project as a blind student, I would
greatly appreciate hearing from you. However, please note there
is also a more traditional research paper assignment for any
student who does not wish to complete the service learning
project. So this research project is simply an option that I
would like to be able to do if I can figure out a way to be able
to do it as a blind student.

Thanks,
Elizabeth
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From awildheir at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 23:27:45 2017
From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 18:27:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Networking and communication workshop at Washington
 Seminar this Sunday-take the quiz to find your communication profile!
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I guess I might be a little late, but what seminar are you referring to? Does this mean I'm missing something really awesome?

Aimee

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> On Jan 27, 2017, at 5:15 PM, Arielle Silverman via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> For those of you who will be at Washington Seminar, I hope you will
> check out the "many communicate, few connect" workshop on Sunday
> afternoon. There will be a networking seminar from 3:00 to 4:15 p.m.
> and a communication styles workshop from 4:45 to 6:15 p.m. in the
> House room at the main hotel. The cost is $15 for one workshop or $20
> for both.
> If you are coming to the communication workshop, please fill out the
> quiz to find out your communication type! The link is at:
> http://bit.ly/2izEoYG
> There will be time to take the quiz during the seminar, but it may be
> easier to do it before you arrive. After you complete the quiz, it
> will tell you what your communication type is, which will be explained
> more at the workshop.
> 
> Best, Arielle
> 
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 28 00:36:09 2017
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 19:36:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Exciting new networking workshops at Washington
 seminar this year!
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Here's the original announcement about the networking and
communication workshops this Sunday.


“Don’t miss this unique opportunity for professional development.
Whether you are a student, a young professional, or well along in your
career, you will benefit immensely from these two workshops.”

Rules of Engagement - If you have ever been stymied by the prospect of
attending a networking event or a reception, you’re not alone. Walking
into a room filled with dozens of people who you have never before met
can be overwhelming for new entrants to the workforce and established
professionals alike. This program will give you ten “rules” that will
help you make the most of any Washington D.C. business-social event,
including how to prepare for and navigate the events, and most
importantly, how to follow up and build relationships with your new
important contacts.



Communicating with Style - Some studies suggest that fully 85% of your
success is directly linked to your ability to effectively communicate.
Yet, few professionals receive any formal training in basic
communication skills. This highly interactive 90-minute program is an
introduction to communication styles. Because your communication style
is based, in part, on your behavioral style preference, we’ll use the
DISC assessment tool to help you identify your individual behavioral
style preference. Then, we’ll turn our attention to the people with
whom you work and give you some clues to help you identify their
behavioral style preferences, too. Highlighting points of commonality
and potential conflict, we’ll focus on adjustments that you can make
to enhance your communications with others.



Mary R. Crane. Esq.



A graduate of George Washington University's National Law Center, Mary
Crane practiced law and lobbied in Washington D.C. for nearly ten
years. Working first for the American Petroleum Institute and then
with the American Heart Association, Crane specialized in non-profit
tax issues. In the early 1990s she decided to pursue her life-long
fascinations in food and wine. With these interests in mind, she spent
two years exploring the world of gastronomy at the prestigious
Culinary Institute of America, from which she graduated with honors.
Crane further gained certification as a sommelier from the Court of
Master Sommeliers London, England. Immediately thereafter, she began
work as an assistant chef at the White House. Crane left the
professional kitchen and approached law firms with her innovative
program, "The Rules of Engagement." That seminar provided participants
with the rules they needed to successfully work receptions and
navigate the more formal dining setting.



Since then, Crane has expanded the training programs she offers to
include many of the other practical business skills all professionals
need to succeed. Her programs cover a broad range of skill sets
including: getting the most out of networking events and receptions,
managing business lunches and dinners, communicating effectively via
paper or e-mail, interacting effectively with other behavioral styles
at work, bridging the generation and gender gaps, and working
ethically. Crane’s clients include many Fortune 500 companies and more
than 50% of the AmLaw100.  She is a frequent speaker at national
conferences, and has appeared on 60 Minutes, Fox Business News, and
ABC Radio. She makes monthly guest appearances on Let’s Talk Live, a
Washington, D.C. televised ABC-affiliate program. Crane has also been
quoted extensively in a variety of print and electronic media,
including The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, Forbes.com,
Fortune.com, and CNN.com



This highly-anticipated seminar will take place on Sunday, January 29,
2017 at the Holiday Inn Capitol located on 550 C Street SW Washington
DC in the House Room to be held at 3:00 to 6:15pm.

Please join us with this world renown speaker who will be offering her
expertise at a nominal fee of $15 for each 90-minute session or $20
for both.

Sponsored by the Potomac Chapter/National Federation of the Blind of Virginia



Facilitated by Mary Crane, Esq.,?creator of the 100 Things You Need To
Know book series, which provides people entering the workforce with
crucial information in easy-to-absorb, almost tweetable chunks. The
series currently includes Starting Work and Networking.



mary at marycrane.com



https://www.linkedin.com/in/mary-crane-2003939


From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 28 21:00:13 2017
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2017 16:00:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Exciting new networking workshops at Washington
 seminar this year!
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJC4bgJckp4tcpEAeeP2LBMZL3n+FAJX-GDAtONfqQQXPQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALAYQJAWwDUJRfheuWTwRZN1EfdQ4HQZUXQhMowoOFp0c2abGA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALAYQJC4bgJckp4tcpEAeeP2LBMZL3n+FAJX-GDAtONfqQQXPQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A2593B35AAF04D95A7509E81A612EBD9@OwnerPC>

I plan to go. Will there be handouts or a powerpoint we can get a copy of 
the presentation highlights? I hope so.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Arielle Silverman via NABS-L
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2017 7:36 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Arielle Silverman
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Exciting new networking workshops at Washington 
seminar this year!

Here's the original announcement about the networking and
communication workshops this Sunday.


“Don’t miss this unique opportunity for professional development.
Whether you are a student, a young professional, or well along in your
career, you will benefit immensely from these two workshops.”

Rules of Engagement - If you have ever been stymied by the prospect of
attending a networking event or a reception, you’re not alone. Walking
into a room filled with dozens of people who you have never before met
can be overwhelming for new entrants to the workforce and established
professionals alike. This program will give you ten “rules” that will
help you make the most of any Washington D.C. business-social event,
including how to prepare for and navigate the events, and most
importantly, how to follow up and build relationships with your new
important contacts.



Communicating with Style - Some studies suggest that fully 85% of your
success is directly linked to your ability to effectively communicate.
Yet, few professionals receive any formal training in basic
communication skills. This highly interactive 90-minute program is an
introduction to communication styles. Because your communication style
is based, in part, on your behavioral style preference, we’ll use the
DISC assessment tool to help you identify your individual behavioral
style preference. Then, we’ll turn our attention to the people with
whom you work and give you some clues to help you identify their
behavioral style preferences, too. Highlighting points of commonality
and potential conflict, we’ll focus on adjustments that you can make
to enhance your communications with others.



Mary R. Crane. Esq.



A graduate of George Washington University's National Law Center, Mary
Crane practiced law and lobbied in Washington D.C. for nearly ten
years. Working first for the American Petroleum Institute and then
with the American Heart Association, Crane specialized in non-profit
tax issues. In the early 1990s she decided to pursue her life-long
fascinations in food and wine. With these interests in mind, she spent
two years exploring the world of gastronomy at the prestigious
Culinary Institute of America, from which she graduated with honors.
Crane further gained certification as a sommelier from the Court of
Master Sommeliers London, England. Immediately thereafter, she began
work as an assistant chef at the White House. Crane left the
professional kitchen and approached law firms with her innovative
program, "The Rules of Engagement." That seminar provided participants
with the rules they needed to successfully work receptions and
navigate the more formal dining setting.



Since then, Crane has expanded the training programs she offers to
include many of the other practical business skills all professionals
need to succeed. Her programs cover a broad range of skill sets
including: getting the most out of networking events and receptions,
managing business lunches and dinners, communicating effectively via
paper or e-mail, interacting effectively with other behavioral styles
at work, bridging the generation and gender gaps, and working
ethically. Crane’s clients include many Fortune 500 companies and more
than 50% of the AmLaw100.  She is a frequent speaker at national
conferences, and has appeared on 60 Minutes, Fox Business News, and
ABC Radio. She makes monthly guest appearances on Let’s Talk Live, a
Washington, D.C. televised ABC-affiliate program. Crane has also been
quoted extensively in a variety of print and electronic media,
including The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, Forbes.com,
Fortune.com, and CNN.com



This highly-anticipated seminar will take place on Sunday, January 29,
2017 at the Holiday Inn Capitol located on 550 C Street SW Washington
DC in the House Room to be held at 3:00 to 6:15pm.

Please join us with this world renown speaker who will be offering her
expertise at a nominal fee of $15 for each 90-minute session or $20
for both.

Sponsored by the Potomac Chapter/National Federation of the Blind of 
Virginia



Facilitated by Mary Crane, Esq.,?creator of the 100 Things You Need To
Know book series, which provides people entering the workforce with
crucial information in easy-to-absorb, almost tweetable chunks. The
series currently includes Starting Work and Networking.



mary at marycrane.com



https://www.linkedin.com/in/mary-crane-2003939

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From filerime at gmail.com  Sun Jan 29 03:48:47 2017
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2017 22:48:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] We need your help!
In-Reply-To: <000201d27774$ec412650$c4c372f0$@sbcglobal.net>
References: <04a301d2771e$08f45440$1adcfcc0$@gmail.com>
	<398A2689-B7D8-4A66-88C7-C11B197E3EE8@gmail.com>
	<9C8DF722-3A44-4639-AA3E-EFF48A86D04B@gmail.com>
	<DM5PR1201MB0092597657D66B9047201FA2BA770@DM5PR1201MB0092.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
	<000201d27774$ec412650$c4c372f0$@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <CAMtP_9d6C9CRHyE2OYVc4zmfXLbd-w2VeMYx=jwcY1HgqVkyHA@mail.gmail.com>

we only need 260 to reach 1500.
We can do that.
I posted it on to Ohio student division facebook page
Go NFB students


2017-01-25 20:38 GMT-05:00, Jen via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> This link doesn't work. When I press Enter on it, JAWS says, " Certificate
> Error: Navigation Blocked" and there is a problem with the Web iste's
> security certificate.
>
> Please e-mail me off-list at
>
> spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net
>
> ,
>
> and tell me what the petition is about.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
> Mohnke via NABS-L
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 7:25 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] We need your help!
>
> Hello All,
>
> Thank you for starting this petition. For anyone who is having difficulty
> with the long link, a shorter link you can use to access this petition is
> http://bit.ly/2k8hhp4.  Hope this helps.
>
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jamie P. via
> NABS-L
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 10:28 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Jamie P. <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] We need your help!
>
> Here is the correct URL for the petition.
>
> https://www.change.org/p/united-states-congress-remove-barriers-to-classroom
> -equality-ensure-accessibility-of-instructional-materials?recruiter=75359047
> &utm_source=share_for_starters&utm_medium=copyLink
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Jamie
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 08:23, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> I tried to sign the petition that it's not available
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 10:16 AM, Kathryn Webster, NABS President via NABS-L
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Students,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>               Please take 30 seconds out of your morning, right now,
>>> to sign this petition. We cannot continue complaining without taking
> action.
>>> Join me in signing your name, writing your address, email, and press
> "sign."
>>> It literally takes 30 seconds. If you are unable to sign, call me and
>>> I will help make sure you can!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.change.org/p/united-states-congress-remove-barriers-to-cl
>>> assroom
>>> -equality-ensure-accessibility-of-instructional-materials/u/19150685?
>>> recruit
>>> er=1368381
>>> <https://www.change.org/p/united-states-congress-remove-barriers-to-c
>>> lassroo
>>> m-equality-ensure-accessibility-of-instructional-materials/u/19150685
>>> ?recrui
>>> ter=1368381&utm_source=share_update&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=sha
>>> re_emai
>>> l_responsive>
>>> &utm_source=share_update&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=share_email_re
>>> sponsiv
>>> e
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For you, for us,
>>>
>>> Kathryn Webster
>>>
>>> President | National Association of Blind Students
>>>
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From filerime at gmail.com  Sun Jan 29 03:57:01 2017
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2017 22:57:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB scholarship information session announcement
Message-ID: <CAMtP_9fs2j8G8=xRjGCDOVwg4NwSPX1wXCAqbqR88EdtwNKtKQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello students,
NFB Ohio Association of Blind Students is hosting a conference call to
Provide information and answer your questions. Scholarship committee
chair Patti Gregory-Chang and the president of NFB OABS, who was a
scholarship winner in 2016 will be attending the call to answer your
questions.
You are all welcome to join us. You don't need to be from Ohio. This
is a national scholarship.
Date and Time: February 7, 2017, 7.30pm
In order to access the conference call please use the following information\
Number to call:
(641) 715-0701
Access Code:
358081

Hope to see you there


From misokwak12 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 29 06:43:46 2017
From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2017 22:43:46 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Reliable and Accessible Flight Booking App or Website
Message-ID: <CAMe9x_HiGYk3O03ScBZJc5gfgR-GhQvrt1AjEPg78FMzb9rrAQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
I am writing to see if anyone on the list has a recommendation for
accessible and reliable flight finding app or website.
I've played around with Expedia, Kayak, and Google Flight and few
direct aireline apps like Southwest and Delta. I think some of them
are decently accessible but  I am not greatly satisfied with any one
of them.
I have an iPhone and JAWS 16 fyi.
I am trying to compare flights in terms of its times and price.
Thanks,
Miso Kwak


From alexandera.castillo at gmail.com  Sun Jan 29 14:08:46 2017
From: alexandera.castillo at gmail.com (Alexander Castillo)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 09:08:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Links for communication workshops this Sunday!
Message-ID: <CAE-zYLsqR6Z35tB7V4Sy=9B7zHvouB8w+z9ij+hg=zs1jY09qg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all, once again, if you would like to get ahead on the survey
tool for the workshops this Sunday at Washington Seminar, you may fill
out the survey here.

This afternoon, There will be a networking seminar from 3:00 to 4:15
p.m, and a communication styles workshop from 4:45 to 6:15 p.m. in the
House room at the main hotel. The cost is $15 for one workshop or $20
for both.

Keep your results, you will need them for the workshops. If you would
like to join in, just show up. We will handle the rest.

Click below:

http://bit.ly/2izEoYG



See you In DC,

Alex Castillo


From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 29 16:51:35 2017
From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 11:51:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Reliable and Accessible Flight Booking App or Website
In-Reply-To: <CAMe9x_HiGYk3O03ScBZJc5gfgR-GhQvrt1AjEPg78FMzb9rrAQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMe9x_HiGYk3O03ScBZJc5gfgR-GhQvrt1AjEPg78FMzb9rrAQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+6VNgNJ_ipbQ1m_3xfTTqUKC_wn4YjVsRezq-O7888U4ZG85g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Miso,

The Travelocity website is reasonably accessible, though the flight
search process can be a little cumbersome to navigate with JAWS. If
others know of more user-friendly travel booking sites I would love to
hear about them as well.

Katie

On 1/29/17, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I am writing to see if anyone on the list has a recommendation for
> accessible and reliable flight finding app or website.
> I've played around with Expedia, Kayak, and Google Flight and few
> direct aireline apps like Southwest and Delta. I think some of them
> are decently accessible but  I am not greatly satisfied with any one
> of them.
> I have an iPhone and JAWS 16 fyi.
> I am trying to compare flights in terms of its times and price.
> Thanks,
> Miso Kwak
>
> _______________________________________________
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From zdreicer at gmail.com  Sun Jan 29 17:17:04 2017
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 11:17:04 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Reliable and Accessible Flight Booking App or Website
In-Reply-To: <CA+6VNgNJ_ipbQ1m_3xfTTqUKC_wn4YjVsRezq-O7888U4ZG85g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMe9x_HiGYk3O03ScBZJc5gfgR-GhQvrt1AjEPg78FMzb9rrAQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+6VNgNJ_ipbQ1m_3xfTTqUKC_wn4YjVsRezq-O7888U4ZG85g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <885DB622-8349-442E-A1A4-08B088B611F6@gmail.com>

I've been using google.com/flights, it takes a little bit to get used to and you have to know the tricks to work with that website— Like using taba bunch, and the arrow keys, but I found it very accessible to create an itinerary and then book directly with the airline. Keep in mind that a lot of the Google flights page I just text elements that when clicked on, they activate whatever you are doing. The page that actually displays the flights gives a link to each flight that is very accessible, and includes the price including taxes and fees. Sam airlines, like Southwest, do not interface with this light section. If you want to do a Southwest flight search, you can call 888-792-8747, then when it asks what flight number you're calling about, say agent and you will be transferred immediately. They can help you book flights over the phone at no charge. 

Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver

> On Jan 29, 2017, at 10:51, Katie Wang via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Miso,
> 
> The Travelocity website is reasonably accessible, though the flight
> search process can be a little cumbersome to navigate with JAWS. If
> others know of more user-friendly travel booking sites I would love to
> hear about them as well.
> 
> Katie
> 
>> On 1/29/17, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I am writing to see if anyone on the list has a recommendation for
>> accessible and reliable flight finding app or website.
>> I've played around with Expedia, Kayak, and Google Flight and few
>> direct aireline apps like Southwest and Delta. I think some of them
>> are decently accessible but  I am not greatly satisfied with any one
>> of them.
>> I have an iPhone and JAWS 16 fyi.
>> I am trying to compare flights in terms of its times and price.
>> Thanks,
>> Miso Kwak
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> NABS-L:
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>> 
> 
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From ropermeaghan at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 00:11:35 2017
From: ropermeaghan at gmail.com (Roper, Meaghan)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 19:11:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Survey Information for Study
References: <CAKufkJT-F4Je5yQX+oDFrVBcVb2J=7gzw-7mBDaSUVHdkreGLA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B49FEC5F-F326-48E9-9741-81C85464FEFD@gmail.com>

Hi everyone, i'm sharing this email on behalf of a fellow student that is collecting research for her dissertation. It would be greatly appreciated if you could take a few minutes and complete the survey; it is completed you will be entered into a drawing to win $75 or more for your participation.

Thanks,

Meaghan Roper
> 
> Hi
> 
> Thanks again for assisting me in spreading this around.  It is greatly appreciated.  Feel free to post via facebook etc.
> 
> Ashley
> 
> 
> Self Determination, Attitude, and Satisfaction with Postsecondary Academic Accommodations for Students with Visual Impairments
> 
> Principle Investigator: Ashley Cwikla, Ph.D. Candidate, University of the Cumberlands
> Faculty Supervisor: Dr. Jennifer Simpson, Assistant Professor of Higher Education doctoral program
> 
> University of the Cumberlands
> 
> Dear participant:
> 
> I, Ashley Cwikla, Ph.D. Candidate from the Department of Leadership at the University of the Cumberlands invite you to participate in a research project entitled Self Determination, Attitude, and Satisfaction with Postsecondary Academic Accommodations for Students with Visual Impairments.
>  The purpose of this research project is to determine if self-determination and attitude have an impact on requesting academic accommodation requests amongst students with visual impairments in a postsecondary educational setting.  This study also aims to determine how satisfied students with visual impairments are with academic accommodations. Should you choose to participate, you will be asked to respond to three surveys pertaining to self-determination, attitude toward requesting academic accommodations in postsecondary education, and a disability accommodation satisfaction survey.
> 
> If you choose to participate, please be sure to submit this survey no later than April 1.
> 
> The expected duration of these survey responses should take less than an hour of your time.  All survey responses will be kept confidential and no personal identifying information will be used during analysis or reporting of the results.  Email addresses will be collected as part of the drawing after all responses have been received and will be subsequently deleted.
> 
> As a thank you for your participation, you will be entered into a drawing for a chance to win one of 3 VISA gift cards valued at $75 by providing your email address at the start of the surveys.
> 
> This research will benefit the population of students with visual impairments attending postsecondary education at the undergraduate and graduate levels.  Determining if the factors of self-determination, attitude, and satisfaction with academic accommodations will provide data on how these accommodations can be modified or improved to meet student academic needs.
> 
> If you have any questions about your rights as a research participant, please contact the principle investigator or faculty supervisor whose contact information can be found below.
> 
> Thank you,
> Ashley Cwikla
> Doctorate of Postsecondary Leadership Ph.D. Candidate
> Email: acwikla8183 at ucumberlands.edu
> 
> Dr. Jennifer Simpson
> Assistant Professor of Higher Education, Department of Leadership Studies
> Jennifer.simpson at ucumberlands.edu
> 606-539-4567
> 
> This study has been reviewed and received clearance through the University of the Cumberlands Institutional Review Board.
> 
> Survey link
> 
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfbvkgWnT8xZ5nfidqWFg3Kkaxar1q_V2lHf7pneK6ObPRFlg/viewform
> 
> 

From emitchell927 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 01:21:17 2017
From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 20:21:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Survey Information for Study
In-Reply-To: <B49FEC5F-F326-48E9-9741-81C85464FEFD@gmail.com>
References: <CAKufkJT-F4Je5yQX+oDFrVBcVb2J=7gzw-7mBDaSUVHdkreGLA@mail.gmail.com>
	<B49FEC5F-F326-48E9-9741-81C85464FEFD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F8AC8CF6-1890-42AB-ADC1-5CB0BE00AE41@gmail.com>

I would love to participate.
Emma
> On Jan 29, 2017, at 7:11 PM, Roper, Meaghan via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, i'm sharing this email on behalf of a fellow student that is collecting research for her dissertation. It would be greatly appreciated if you could take a few minutes and complete the survey; it is completed you will be entered into a drawing to win $75 or more for your participation.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Meaghan Roper
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> Thanks again for assisting me in spreading this around.  It is greatly appreciated.  Feel free to post via facebook etc.
>> 
>> Ashley
>> 
>> 
>> Self Determination, Attitude, and Satisfaction with Postsecondary Academic Accommodations for Students with Visual Impairments
>> 
>> Principle Investigator: Ashley Cwikla, Ph.D. Candidate, University of the Cumberlands
>> Faculty Supervisor: Dr. Jennifer Simpson, Assistant Professor of Higher Education doctoral program
>> 
>> University of the Cumberlands
>> 
>> Dear participant:
>> 
>> I, Ashley Cwikla, Ph.D. Candidate from the Department of Leadership at the University of the Cumberlands invite you to participate in a research project entitled Self Determination, Attitude, and Satisfaction with Postsecondary Academic Accommodations for Students with Visual Impairments.
>> The purpose of this research project is to determine if self-determination and attitude have an impact on requesting academic accommodation requests amongst students with visual impairments in a postsecondary educational setting.  This study also aims to determine how satisfied students with visual impairments are with academic accommodations. Should you choose to participate, you will be asked to respond to three surveys pertaining to self-determination, attitude toward requesting academic accommodations in postsecondary education, and a disability accommodation satisfaction survey.
>> 
>> If you choose to participate, please be sure to submit this survey no later than April 1.
>> 
>> The expected duration of these survey responses should take less than an hour of your time.  All survey responses will be kept confidential and no personal identifying information will be used during analysis or reporting of the results.  Email addresses will be collected as part of the drawing after all responses have been received and will be subsequently deleted.
>> 
>> As a thank you for your participation, you will be entered into a drawing for a chance to win one of 3 VISA gift cards valued at $75 by providing your email address at the start of the surveys.
>> 
>> This research will benefit the population of students with visual impairments attending postsecondary education at the undergraduate and graduate levels.  Determining if the factors of self-determination, attitude, and satisfaction with academic accommodations will provide data on how these accommodations can be modified or improved to meet student academic needs.
>> 
>> If you have any questions about your rights as a research participant, please contact the principle investigator or faculty supervisor whose contact information can be found below.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Ashley Cwikla
>> Doctorate of Postsecondary Leadership Ph.D. Candidate
>> Email: acwikla8183 at ucumberlands.edu
>> 
>> Dr. Jennifer Simpson
>> Assistant Professor of Higher Education, Department of Leadership Studies
>> Jennifer.simpson at ucumberlands.edu
>> 606-539-4567
>> 
>> This study has been reviewed and received clearance through the University of the Cumberlands Institutional Review Board.
>> 
>> Survey link
>> 
>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfbvkgWnT8xZ5nfidqWFg3Kkaxar1q_V2lHf7pneK6ObPRFlg/viewform
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>> 
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From jameyanne at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 03:13:09 2017
From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 22:13:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Touch is freezing halfway through startup
 please help!
Message-ID: <000001d27aa6$c9409b60$5bc1d220$@gmail.com>

Hello all,

I was finishing a homework assignment just now when I left my BrailleNote
Touch on my desk and went to the kitchen to refill my waterbottle. When I
came back, the BrailleNote had turned off. I tried to turn it back on, but
partway through the startup process, when it says "starting keysoft" and the
circle thing is going around, it just stopped. I tried turning it off but
couldn't, so I tried removing and replacing the battery and trying again
with the same result. I was able to plug it in and find out that it's at 80%
charge, so that's not the problem. It's been stuck like this for almost ten
minutes. Has this happened to anyone else and do you have a solution? Also,
is there a way to get my files off the BrailleNote if I can't turn the
BrailleNote on?

Thanks for any help you can give me. I'm feeling kind of desperate.

Jameyanne


From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 04:27:27 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 20:27:27 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Touch is freezing halfway through startup
 please help!
In-Reply-To: <000001d27aa6$c9409b60$5bc1d220$@gmail.com>
References: <000001d27aa6$c9409b60$5bc1d220$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E06BF441-E390-465F-B68D-E119EC90F3A0@gmail.com>

Hi,
I'm so sorry to hear about this situation. I had to go through similar with my Apex recently. 
I don't have a Touch, but did want to offer that if you are using the sd card  you can always remove it and use the files that are not keyword Braille files for your computer.
Vejas

> On Jan 29, 2017, at 19:13, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I was finishing a homework assignment just now when I left my BrailleNote
> Touch on my desk and went to the kitchen to refill my waterbottle. When I
> came back, the BrailleNote had turned off. I tried to turn it back on, but
> partway through the startup process, when it says "starting keysoft" and the
> circle thing is going around, it just stopped. I tried turning it off but
> couldn't, so I tried removing and replacing the battery and trying again
> with the same result. I was able to plug it in and find out that it's at 80%
> charge, so that's not the problem. It's been stuck like this for almost ten
> minutes. Has this happened to anyone else and do you have a solution? Also,
> is there a way to get my files off the BrailleNote if I can't turn the
> BrailleNote on?
> 
> Thanks for any help you can give me. I'm feeling kind of desperate.
> 
> Jameyanne
> 
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From spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 30 13:34:31 2017
From: spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net (Jen)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 08:34:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Touch is freezing halfway through startup
 please help!
In-Reply-To: <000001d27aa6$c9409b60$5bc1d220$@gmail.com>
References: <000001d27aa6$c9409b60$5bc1d220$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000201d27afd$974c72d0$c5e55870$@sbcglobal.net>

Hi Jamie Anne,

I used to have a BrailleNote BT, not a BrailleNote Touch. But when it
wouldn't turn on, I pressed the Reset button with something sharp and waited
for about ten seconds. Then, everything started well again. On the
BrailleNote BT, the "Reset" button was above the power switch.

On the BrailleNote BT, if the "Reset" button didn't fix things, there was
also a "hard reset" you could do. I never had to do that so can't tell you
how to d o it.

Jen

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 10:13 PM
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<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Jameyanne Fuller <jameyanne at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Touch is freezing halfway through startup
please help!

Hello all,

I was finishing a homework assignment just now when I left my BrailleNote
Touch on my desk and went to the kitchen to refill my waterbottle. When I
came back, the BrailleNote had turned off. I tried to turn it back on, but
partway through the startup process, when it says "starting keysoft" and the
circle thing is going around, it just stopped. I tried turning it off but
couldn't, so I tried removing and replacing the battery and trying again
with the same result. I was able to plug it in and find out that it's at 80%
charge, so that's not the problem. It's been stuck like this for almost ten
minutes. Has this happened to anyone else and do you have a solution? Also,
is there a way to get my files off the BrailleNote if I can't turn the
BrailleNote on?

Thanks for any help you can give me. I'm feeling kind of desperate.

Jameyanne

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From jameyanne at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 14:50:35 2017
From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 09:50:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Touch is freezing halfway through startup
 please help!
In-Reply-To: <000201d27afd$974c72d0$c5e55870$@sbcglobal.net>
References: <000001d27aa6$c9409b60$5bc1d220$@gmail.com>
	<000201d27afd$974c72d0$c5e55870$@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <005001d27b08$37058870$a5109950$@gmail.com>

Thanks, everybody. There is no reset button on the braillenote touch, but I
called tech support this morning and they had me do a system file repair,
and it's up and running again. I didn't even lose the notes I was in the
middle of taking.

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jen via NABS-L
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 8:35 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Jen <spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Touch is freezing halfway through startup
please help!

Hi Jamie Anne,

I used to have a BrailleNote BT, not a BrailleNote Touch. But when it
wouldn't turn on, I pressed the Reset button with something sharp and waited
for about ten seconds. Then, everything started well again. On the
BrailleNote BT, the "Reset" button was above the power switch.

On the BrailleNote BT, if the "Reset" button didn't fix things, there was
also a "hard reset" you could do. I never had to do that so can't tell you
how to d o it.

Jen

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jameyanne
Fuller via NABS-L
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 10:13 PM
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<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Jameyanne Fuller <jameyanne at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Touch is freezing halfway through startup
please help!

Hello all,

I was finishing a homework assignment just now when I left my BrailleNote
Touch on my desk and went to the kitchen to refill my waterbottle. When I
came back, the BrailleNote had turned off. I tried to turn it back on, but
partway through the startup process, when it says "starting keysoft" and the
circle thing is going around, it just stopped. I tried turning it off but
couldn't, so I tried removing and replacing the battery and trying again
with the same result. I was able to plug it in and find out that it's at 80%
charge, so that's not the problem. It's been stuck like this for almost ten
minutes. Has this happened to anyone else and do you have a solution? Also,
is there a way to get my files off the BrailleNote if I can't turn the
BrailleNote on?

Thanks for any help you can give me. I'm feeling kind of desperate.

Jameyanne

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From rloew at ETS.ORG  Mon Jan 30 15:20:43 2017
From: rloew at ETS.ORG (Loew, Ruth C)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 15:20:43 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] ETS at Seminar
Message-ID: <BN6PR07MB28828C59632CCE1CD04A6720AF4B0@BN6PR07MB2882.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Hi -- This is Ruth Loew from ETS, and as many of you know, I lurk and occasionally post on this list. My colleague Morgan Murray and I work on accommodations for ETS tests such as the GRE, TOEFL, and Praxis tests, as well as TExES and GACE teacher licensure tests and the HISET high school equivalency test. If you have questions or concerns about accommodations on any of these tests, please feel free to contact Morgan or me at Seminar on Monday, or me on Tuesday. Text me at 215-527-7442 or Morgan at 908-256-4787. Have a great Seminar!
Ruth Loew, ETS

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From Amason at nfb.org  Mon Jan 30 19:52:10 2017
From: Amason at nfb.org (Mason, Amy)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 19:52:10 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Reliable and Accessible Flight Booking App or Website
In-Reply-To: <885DB622-8349-442E-A1A4-08B088B611F6@gmail.com>
References: <CAMe9x_HiGYk3O03ScBZJc5gfgR-GhQvrt1AjEPg78FMzb9rrAQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+6VNgNJ_ipbQ1m_3xfTTqUKC_wn4YjVsRezq-O7888U4ZG85g@mail.gmail.com>
	<885DB622-8349-442E-A1A4-08B088B611F6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BL2PR17MB0867755587DC3D654B017F32DB4B0@BL2PR17MB0867.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>

I'm looking at a few things dealing with travel sites, and I'd love to hear  a bit more about the good and bad you are finding on specific sites where accessibility is concerned. If any of you have the chance, I'd appreciate a quick note off list. I'd like to know which sites you are having trouble with, and what's acting as biggest barriers. I'd also love to know what you find is working well for you and why. 

Thanks,. 

Amy Mason
amason at nfb.org
(410) 659-9314 Ext. 2424
National Federation of the Blind

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 12:17 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer <zdreicer at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reliable and Accessible Flight Booking App or Website

I've been using http://google.com/flights, it takes a little bit to get used to and you have to know the tricks to work with that website— Like using taba bunch, and the arrow keys, but I found it very accessible to create an itinerary and then book directly with the airline. Keep in mind that a lot of the Google flights page I just text elements that when clicked on, they activate whatever you are doing. The page that actually displays the flights gives a link to each flight that is very accessible, and includes the price including taxes and fees. Sam airlines, like Southwest, do not interface with this light section. If you want to do a Southwest flight search, you can call 888-792-8747, then when it asks what flight number you're calling about, say agent and you will be transferred immediately. They can help you book flights over the phone at no charge. 

Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver

> On Jan 29, 2017, at 10:51, Katie Wang via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Miso,
> 
> The Travelocity website is reasonably accessible, though the flight 
> search process can be a little cumbersome to navigate with JAWS. If 
> others know of more user-friendly travel booking sites I would love to 
> hear about them as well.
> 
> Katie
> 
>> On 1/29/17, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I am writing to see if anyone on the list has a recommendation for 
>> accessible and reliable flight finding app or website.
>> I've played around with Expedia, Kayak, and Google Flight and few 
>> direct aireline apps like Southwest and Delta. I think some of them 
>> are decently accessible but  I am not greatly satisfied with any one 
>> of them.
>> I have an iPhone and JAWS 16 fyi.
>> I am trying to compare flights in terms of its times and price.
>> Thanks,
>> Miso Kwak
>> 
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From dandrews at visi.com  Mon Jan 30 22:51:35 2017
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 16:51:35 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Touch is freezing halfway through startup
 please help!
In-Reply-To: <000001d27aa6$c9409b60$5bc1d220$@gmail.com>
References: <000001d27aa6$c9409b60$5bc1d220$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000076043319@mailfront1.g2host.com>

Something similar happened to me, and humanware support talked me 
through the fix, which
I can't remember, of course.  Call them at 800-722-3393.

Dave

At 09:13 PM 1/29/2017, you wrote:
>Hello all,
>
>I was finishing a homework assignment just now when I left my BrailleNote
>Touch on my desk and went to the kitchen to refill my waterbottle. When I
>came back, the BrailleNote had turned off. I tried to turn it back on, but
>partway through the startup process, when it says "starting keysoft" and the
>circle thing is going around, it just stopped. I tried turning it off but
>couldn't, so I tried removing and replacing the battery and trying again
>with the same result. I was able to plug it in and find out that it's at 80%
>charge, so that's not the problem. It's been stuck like this for almost ten
>minutes. Has this happened to anyone else and do you have a solution? Also,
>is there a way to get my files off the BrailleNote if I can't turn the
>BrailleNote on?
>
>Thanks for any help you can give me. I'm feeling kind of desperate.
>
>Jameyanne



From truewise.8614 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 03:33:57 2017
From: truewise.8614 at gmail.com (Vanna Song)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 19:33:57 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Reliable and Accessible Flight Booking App or Website
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	<CA+6VNgNJ_ipbQ1m_3xfTTqUKC_wn4YjVsRezq-O7888U4ZG85g@mail.gmail.com>
	<885DB622-8349-442E-A1A4-08B088B611F6@gmail.com>
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Hmmm, last time I ever booked anything was on the Mac side of things.
Sites like expedia and others worked fine with Voice Over. I don't
know about the WINDOWS side of things for I have not used those sites
with NVDA or JAWS.

On 1/30/17, Mason, Amy via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I'm looking at a few things dealing with travel sites, and I'd love to hear
> a bit more about the good and bad you are finding on specific sites where
> accessibility is concerned. If any of you have the chance, I'd appreciate a
> quick note off list. I'd like to know which sites you are having trouble
> with, and what's acting as biggest barriers. I'd also love to know what you
> find is working well for you and why.
>
> Thanks,.
>
> Amy Mason
> amason at nfb.org
> (410) 659-9314 Ext. 2424
> National Federation of the Blind
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Zachary N.
> Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L
> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 12:17 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer <zdreicer at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reliable and Accessible Flight Booking App or Website
>
> I've been using http://google.com/flights, it takes a little bit to get used
> to and you have to know the tricks to work with that website— Like using
> taba bunch, and the arrow keys, but I found it very accessible to create an
> itinerary and then book directly with the airline. Keep in mind that a lot
> of the Google flights page I just text elements that when clicked on, they
> activate whatever you are doing. The page that actually displays the flights
> gives a link to each flight that is very accessible, and includes the price
> including taxes and fees. Sam airlines, like Southwest, do not interface
> with this light section. If you want to do a Southwest flight search, you
> can call 888-792-8747, then when it asks what flight number you're calling
> about, say agent and you will be transferred immediately. They can help you
> book flights over the phone at no charge.
>
> Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
>
>> On Jan 29, 2017, at 10:51, Katie Wang via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Miso,
>>
>> The Travelocity website is reasonably accessible, though the flight
>> search process can be a little cumbersome to navigate with JAWS. If
>> others know of more user-friendly travel booking sites I would love to
>> hear about them as well.
>>
>> Katie
>>
>>> On 1/29/17, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> I am writing to see if anyone on the list has a recommendation for
>>> accessible and reliable flight finding app or website.
>>> I've played around with Expedia, Kayak, and Google Flight and few
>>> direct aireline apps like Southwest and Delta. I think some of them
>>> are decently accessible but  I am not greatly satisfied with any one
>>> of them.
>>> I have an iPhone and JAWS 16 fyi.
>>> I am trying to compare flights in terms of its times and price.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Miso Kwak
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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