[nabs-l] Accessible Music Reading and Writing Software

Judy Jones sonshines59 at gmail.com
Thu Jun 1 17:40:22 UTC 2017


That's a real great idea, but what he decided is, why put all that money
into programs when in the end, you need a sighted proofer anyway.  So we
never did get the software.

Just like OCR, these programs are giving their "best guess" as to what has
been transcribed, and none are perfect.  The only way around it is if one is
an optacon user and knows print music, then this could be totally done by a
blind individual.

Thanks very much.

Judy


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Precious Perez
via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:23 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Precious Perez
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessible Music Reading and Writing Software

Hello,
This is true to an extent. Sometimes when writing the music with the
software, things overlap visually, for example, bar lines might overlap each
other, or words and notes. For final scores, sighted help is needed just to
look them over formatting. For the most part, though, it is doable. I would
recommend him having someone he can send his scores to when he is finished
writing them who can just check for formatting, and it could be someone from
the school or university he is getting a degree with, since it is part of
accommodations.

Precious
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 1, 2017, at 11:41 AM, Judy Jones via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> Hello, Precious,
> 
> My husband, who is a musician, looked into getting Dancing Dots, along
with
> another program I cannot remember, as he writes music but wanted to proof
> his scores.  The upshot, after numerous calls, and finally reaching
someone
> at Dancing Dots, he was told that in the final analysis, you still would
> need sight to proof the final score produced by programs.  Is this still
> true?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Judy
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Precious
Perez
> via NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 10:28 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Precious Perez
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessible Music Reading and Writing Software
> 
> There are multiple options. Dancing Dots is not the only one. I know for a
> fact that Sibelius 5 is accessible, because I use it for multiple courses
> every semester at Berklee College of Music with JAWS.
> 
> Precious
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 1, 2017, at 9:41 AM, amazing tech via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>> 
>> Sibelius isn't accessible but the only real option is dancing dots
> software and jaws. 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Aaron Linson 
>> BS in Audio Production minor in communications from IU SouthEast
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jun 1, 2017, at 10:27 AM, Precious Perez via NABS-L
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I am majoring in Music Ed and Performance at Berklee, and there is one
> piece of Software we use regularly. It is called Sibelius, and it is used
> for both reading and writing. It is accessible with Jaws and Windows 7. It
> can also work on a mac computer with a virtual machine that has Windows on
> it. It is very fast and easy to use. If your friend would like to look
into
> this as well or has more questions, please feel free to pass on my email
> address. Hope this helps.
>>> 
>>> Precious
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 1, 2017, at 7:43 AM, Sami Osborne via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Rilind,
>>>> 
>>>> I noticed no one responded to your question yesterday.  I would suggest
> that your friend use a program called Lime Allowed (not sure if I spelled
> that correctly,) which is actually a program exclusively for blind
> musicians.  It was created by a company called Dancing Dots, an
organization
> founded by Bill McCann, a blind trumpet player about twenty-five years
ago.
> His mission in creating the company was to make both reading and writing
> music accessible to the blind.  Being a musician myself, I also know him
> very well.  I don't have the link to download the program (Lime Allowed,
but
> I suggest your friend contact Bill at: info at dancingdots.com
>>>> 
>>>> If your friend has an embosser, he can also directly transcribe print
> music into Braille using his embosser and an application called GdField,
> which Lime uses to create Braille music and which I also believe was
created
> by Dancing Dots.  Both of these programs work with Windows, and as far as
>>>> I know don't with Apple products.
>>>> 
>>>> I hope this helps.
>>>> 
>>>> Sami
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Rilind Dragoshi via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Wed, 31 May 2017 18:31:47 +0000
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Music Reading and Writing Software
>>>> 
>>>> Hello.
>>>> I'm emailing to ask for some help for a friend who requested I find
some
> info.
>>>> A friend of mine who is also blind, and uses both Voiceover and JAWS is
> looking in to taking a degree in Music.  As part of his decision making he
> is trying to find out how to use music programs for writing and reading
> music.  He's tried Finale but wasn't able to yet learn this.
>>>> What programs, that are accessible on Windows with JAWS and NVDA, or
mac
> with voiceover, Android, or IOS exist that could be used for both reading
as
> well as writing music? Also, do you know of any guides to using the
program
> that would help?
>>>> Any help is appreciated:
>>>> Thanks:
>>>> Rilind.
>>>> 
>>>> P.S.  My friend is also opening to discussing with someone further,
> mentorship, or discussion as well so if you are open to this you can also
> message me off list if it's okay for him to contact you.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
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> nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org
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>>>> Today's Topics:
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>>>> 1.  Three more days to preregister for Convention, and save
>>>>  money! (Kathryn Webster, NABS President)
>>>> 2.  Preregistration link (Kathryn Webster, NABS President)
>>>> 3.  Re: Reminder: Get a Sneak Peek of National Convention on
>>>>  Tonight's NABS Membership Call! (Justin Williams)
>>>> 4.  Re: Reminder: Get a Sneak Peek of National Convention on
>>>>  Tonight's NABS Membership Call! (Cricket Bidleman)
>>>> 5.  Re: Reminder: Get a Sneak Peek of National Convention on
>>>>  Tonight's NABS Membership Call! (Chris Nusbaum)
>>>> 6.  Re: windows azure (Chris Nusbaum)
>>>> 7.  College Disability Services (Mikayla Gephart)
>>>> 8.  Re: College Disability Services (Joshua Hendrickson)
>>>> 9.  Re: College Disability Services (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
>>>> 10.  ACT and SAT and PSAT Preparation (Ahbee Orton)
>>>> 11.  Re: ACT and SAT and PSAT Preparation (Zachary N.  Griego-Dreicer)
>>>> 12.  Re: ACT and SAT and PSAT Preparation (Cricket X.  Bidleman)
>>>> 13.  Re: College Disability Services (Karl Martin Adam)
>>>> 14.  Re: ACT and SAT and PSAT Preparation (Taylor Arndt)
>>>> 15.  Re: ACT and SAT and PSAT Preparation (Ahbee Orton)
>>>> 16.  Re: ACT and SAT and PSAT Preparation (Miso Kwak)
>>>> 17.  Re: ACT and SAT and PSAT Preparation (Taylor Arndt)
>>>> 18.  Re: ACT and SAT and PSAT Preparation (Alexandra Alfonso)
>>>> 19.  Re: ACT and SAT and PSAT Preparation (Ashley Bramlett)
>>>> 20.  Re: ACT and SAT and PSAT Preparation (Taylor Arndt)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> -----
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 12:35:13 -0400
>>>> From: "Kathryn Webster, NABS President" <nabs.president at gmail.com
>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Three more days to preregister for Convention, and
>>>> save money!
>>>> Message-ID: <01f001d2d899$909893c0$b1c9bb40$@gmail.com
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
>>>> 
>>>> Happy Memorial Day fellow students,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> This note serves as a final reminder to preregister for National
> convention.
>>>> Preregistration closes on Wednesday, May 31.  The below link will guide
> you
>>>> through the process, and save you money!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I am excited to see many of you in a month and a half.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> 
>>>> Kathryn Webster
>>>> 
>>>> President | National Association of blind Students
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 12:36:03 -0400
>>>> From: "Kathryn Webster, NABS President" <nabs.president at gmail.com
>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Preregistration link
>>>> Message-ID: <01fc01d2d899$ae9dd1a0$0bd974e0$@gmail.com
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
>>>> 
>>>> Link below!
>>>> 
>>>> https://nfb.org/convention
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 14:02:12 -0400
>>>> From: "Justin Williams" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com
>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reminder: Get a Sneak Peek of National
>>>> Convention on Tonight's NABS Membership Call!
>>>> Message-ID: <00e501d2d8a5$b3319420$1994bc60$@gmail.com
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
>>>> 
>>>> Does anyone know when the actual convention agenda will come out?
>>>> Justin
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris
> Nusbaum
>>>> via NABS-L
>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 2:55 PM
>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: Chris Nusbaum <cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com>; board at nabslink.org;
>>>> nfbnet-students-list at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Get a Sneak Peek of National Convention on
>>>> Tonight's NABS Membership Call!
>>>> 
>>>> Hey NABS:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> We hope you're having a great long Memorial Day weekend and an exciting
>>>> start to your summer! For those of us in the Federation, summer means
> more
>>>> than sleeping in and having fun in the sun.  It also means that we can
> look
>>>> forward to joining our fellow Federationists at our annual "family
>>>> reunion"-the national convention of the National Federation of the
> Blind, to
>>>> be held this year in Orlando July 10-15.  This convention is
> particularly
>>>> special for NABS, as it marks our 50th anniversary! To celebrate this
>>>> milestone, we have a lot of awesome events-at least one during every
day
> of
>>>> convention! Want a sneak peek at all the festivities? You'll get it
> tonight
>>>> on our May membership call!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The fun starts tonight at 7:00 PM Eastern on our NABS conference line.
> To
>>>> join in, call (712) 770-5197, and enter access code 265669.  We hope
> you'll
>>>> join us as we get pumped for our 50th anniversary celebrations!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Happy summer,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The NABS Outreach Committee
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Chris Nusbaum, President
>>>> 
>>>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>>>> 
>>>> Board Member, National Association of Blind Students
>>>> 
>>>> Phone: (443) 547-2409
>>>> 
>>>> Email: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> Twitter: @Chrisn98 and @nabslink
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future.  Every day we raise
>>>> expectations for blind people, because low expectations create
obstacles
>>>> between blind people and our dreams.  You can live the life you want;
>>>> blindness is not what holds you bak.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 4
>>>> Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 11:16:29 -0700
>>>> From: Cricket Bidleman <cricketbidleman at gmail.com
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reminder: Get a Sneak Peek of National
>>>> Convention on Tonight's NABS Membership Call!
>>>> Message-ID: <34234577-23CD-4CD2-88CC-7F4DA3CF07EC at gmail.com
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
>>>> 
>>>> It's supposed to come out around June 1, but I'm not sure exactly when.
> And remember, times are not technically set in stone until shortly before
> the convention.  So everything is subject to change a little bit.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Cricket X.  Bidleman
>>>> NCS Pearson, associate quality assurance engineer
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On May 29, 2017, at 11:02, Justin Williams via NABS-L
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Does anyone know when the actual convention agenda will come out?
>>>> Justin
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris
> Nusbaum
>>>> via NABS-L
>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 2:55 PM
>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: Chris Nusbaum <cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com>; board at nabslink.org;
>>>> nfbnet-students-list at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Get a Sneak Peek of National Convention on
>>>> Tonight's NABS Membership Call!
>>>> 
>>>> Hey NABS:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> We hope you're having a great long Memorial Day weekend and an exciting
>>>> start to your summer! For those of us in the Federation, summer means
> more
>>>> than sleeping in and having fun in the sun.  It also means that we can
> look
>>>> forward to joining our fellow Federationists at our annual "family
>>>> reunion"-the national convention of the National Federation of the
> Blind, to
>>>> be held this year in Orlando July 10-15.  This convention is
> particularly
>>>> special for NABS, as it marks our 50th anniversary! To celebrate this
>>>> milestone, we have a lot of awesome events-at least one during every
day
> of
>>>> convention! Want a sneak peek at all the festivities? You'll get it
> tonight
>>>> on our May membership call!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The fun starts tonight at 7:00 PM Eastern on our NABS conference line.
> To
>>>> join in, call (712) 770-5197, and enter access code 265669.  We hope
> you'll
>>>> join us as we get pumped for our 50th anniversary celebrations!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Happy summer,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The NABS Outreach Committee
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Chris Nusbaum, President
>>>> 
>>>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>>>> 
>>>> Board Member, National Association of Blind Students
>>>> 
>>>> Phone: (443) 547-2409
>>>> 
>>>> Email: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> Twitter: @Chrisn98 and @nabslink
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future.  Every day we raise
>>>> expectations for blind people, because low expectations create
obstacles
>>>> between blind people and our dreams.  You can live the life you want;
>>>> blindness is not what holds you bak.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NABS-L mailing list
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>>>> ms2%40gmail
>>>> .com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
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> NABS-L:
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 5
>>>> Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 15:44:59 -0400
>>>> From: "Chris Nusbaum" <cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com
>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reminder: Get a Sneak Peek of National
>>>> Convention on Tonight's NABS Membership Call!
>>>> Message-ID: <000601d2d8b4$0f9cc190$2ed644b0$@gmail.com
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
>>>> 
>>>> Justin:
>>>> 
>>>> Cricket is correct.  It should also be noted that the agenda is always
> posted
>>>> to all NFBNet listservs when it becomes available.  So, as a member of
> this
>>>> list, you will see it as soon as it's published.  Stay tuned!
>>>> 
>>>> Chris
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket
>>>> Bidleman via NABS-L
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 2:16 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: Cricket Bidleman <cricketbidleman at gmail.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reminder: Get a Sneak Peek of National Convention
> on
>>>> Tonight's NABS Membership Call!
>>>> 
>>>> It's supposed to come out around June 1, but I'm not sure exactly when.
> And
>>>> remember, times are not technically set in stone until shortly before
> the
>>>> convention.  So everything is subject to change a little bit.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Cricket X.  Bidleman
>>>> NCS Pearson, associate quality assurance engineer
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On May 29, 2017, at 11:02, Justin Williams via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Does anyone know when the actual convention agenda will come out?
>>>> Justin
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris
>>>> Nusbaum via NABS-L
>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 2:55 PM
>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: Chris Nusbaum <cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com>; board at nabslink.org;
>>>> nfbnet-students-list at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Get a Sneak Peek of National Convention on
>>>> Tonight's NABS Membership Call!
>>>> 
>>>> Hey NABS:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> We hope you're having a great long Memorial Day weekend and an
>>>> exciting start to your summer! For those of us in the Federation,
>>>> summer means more than sleeping in and having fun in the sun.  It also
>>>> means that we can look forward to joining our fellow Federationists at
>>>> our annual "family reunion"-the national convention of the National
>>>> Federation of the Blind, to be held this year in Orlando July 10-15.
>>>> This convention is particularly special for NABS, as it marks our 50th
>>>> anniversary! To celebrate this milestone, we have a lot of awesome
>>>> events-at least one during every day of convention! Want a sneak peek
>>>> at all the festivities? You'll get it tonight on our May membership
> call!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The fun starts tonight at 7:00 PM Eastern on our NABS conference line.
>>>> To join in, call (712) 770-5197, and enter access code 265669.  We hope
>>>> you'll join us as we get pumped for our 50th anniversary celebrations!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Happy summer,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The NABS Outreach Committee
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Chris Nusbaum, President
>>>> 
>>>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>>>> 
>>>> Board Member, National Association of Blind Students
>>>> 
>>>> Phone: (443) 547-2409
>>>> 
>>>> Email: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> Twitter: @Chrisn98 and @nabslink
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future.  Every day we raise
>>>> expectations for blind people, because low expectations create
>>>> obstacles between blind people and our dreams.  You can live the life
>>>> you want; blindness is not what holds you bak.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> NABS-L:
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>>>> 0gmail
>>>> .com
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 6
>>>> Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 16:09:10 -0400
>>>> From: "Chris Nusbaum" <cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com
>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] windows azure
>>>> Message-ID: <002b01d2d8b7$7019a7b0$504cf710$@gmail.com
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
>>>> 
>>>> Marvin:
>>>> 
>>>> Though there doubtless are some on this list who would be able to help
> you,
>>>> you may find a more resourcefull knowledge base on our NFB in Computer
>>>> Science listserv.  This can be found and subscribed to by visiting the
>>>> following link:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org.
> I
>>>> hope this helps.
>>>> 
>>>> Chris
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marvin
> Hunkin
>>>> via NABS-L
>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 10:26 PM
>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: Marvin Hunkin <startrekcafe at gmail.com
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] windows azure
>>>> 
>>>> Hi.  a blind it student doing a diploma of software development from
>>>> http://www.upskilled.edu.au and using jaws 18 on a Toshiba satellite
pro
>>>> laptop running windows 10 64 bit pro.  Now, I do have a dreamspark
> account
>>>> till june 6, but I need to use windows azure, and I cannot create any
> thing
>>>> because I don't have a credit card and a billable subscription.  My
> school
>>>> does not have any dreamspark or windows azure subscriptions for their
>>>> students.  My it lectuer is looking at different options.  So has any
> one got
>>>> any ideas, how to proceed.
>>>> 
>>>> Marvin from Adelaide, Australia.
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 7
>>>> Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 16:11:30 -0400
>>>> From: Mikayla Gephart <mikgephart at icloud.com
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] College Disability Services
>>>> Message-ID: <97B9E735-E9D9-4A4F-B13B-B8290125044C at icloud.com
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I am a Junior in High School, and am researching different college
> Disability Services offices.  I have been reading a lot on their sites,
and
> I understand that they determine whether an Accommodation is reasonable.
I
> am very curious about this.  I would think that DSS employees probably do
> not have a lot of training in blindness? As long as you present good
> documentation of your blindness and explain logically why you need an
> accommodation, have you found that they listen to you? I just noticed that
> two out of the three websites I have been looking at say that faculty
should
> discuss concerns with DSS before involving the student.  This is just a
> curiosity thing, not a question that is urgent.  I just wanted to here
> people?s thoughts.
>>>> Best,
>>>> Mikayla
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 8
>>>> Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 15:21:53 -0500
>>>> From: Joshua Hendrickson <louvins at gmail.com
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College Disability Services
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> 
>>>> <CADUoy9sRW1na4iL0Bd0SDGgFyYcf3uQ_WTf+z16Pp+a1YwFgzw at mail.gm
>>>> ail.com
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>> 
>>>> I can only go with my experience while in college.  I used my
>>>> disability services to scan textbooks for me that I bought and gave
>>>> them.  In those days I was given my textbooks on mp3 cds.  I found my
>>>> DS office very helpful.  They bnew about screenreaders like jaws.
>>>> There was an assistive technology room in the college library with a
>>>> computer with jaws that I could use to help me with school
>>>> assignments.  Good luck.  I'd also make sure you also spoke to your
>>>> professors and let them know of any acomidations that you might need.
>>>> I'm very surprised thatity office would go to the teachers before
>>>> consulting the student that needed the help from them.  Have a great
>>>> day.
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/29/17, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I am a Junior in High School, and am researching different college
>>>> Disability Services offices.  I have been reading a lot on their sites,
> and I
>>>> understand that they determine whether an Accommodation is reasonable.
> I am
>>>> very curious about this.  I would think that DSS employees probably do
> not
>>>> have a lot of training in blindness? As long as you present good
>>>> documentation of your blindness and explain logically why you need an
>>>> accommodation, have you found that they listen to you? I just noticed
> that
>>>> two out of the three websites I have been looking at say that faculty
> should
>>>> discuss concerns with DSS before involving the student.  This is just a
>>>> curiosity thing, not a question that is urgent.  I just wanted to here
>>>> people?s thoughts.
>>>> Best,
>>>> Mikayla
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NABS-L mailing list
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Joshua Hendrickson
>>>> 
>>>> Joshua Hendrickson
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 9
>>>> Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 13:29:48 -0700
>>>> From: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>>> list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College Disability Services
>>>> Message-ID: <592c84d5.8422620a.6700d.c8bc at mx.google.com
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=EUC-KR; format=flowed
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Mikayla,
>>>> I go to a smaller school and applied for Disability Services
>>>> during the summer.  In the form, I had to specify my
>>>> accmmodations.  Some of these accommodations were originally not
>>>> given to me, but I had a meeting with them (in the middle of the
>>>> summer) to clarify things with them.  Since they hadn't worked
>>>> with a totally blind student before, and understood what I needed
>>>> them for after the meeting, they were much more willing to
>>>> utilize most of them.  For example, they were unsure what the
>>>> purpose of me needing an I-Phone for exams was, but when they saw
>>>> it connects to my braillenote, they granted it.  Similarly, the
>>>> use of talking to professors about modifying assignments which
>>>> are too visual.
>>>> Also, if you are clear on what you need, you could make things
>>>> better for future blind students.  My DSS didn't know what a
>>>> Perkins Brailler was, but when they saw the one I used (which I
>>>> had gotten from rehab), they brought one, for myself and any
>>>> other future blind students.
>>>> Vejas
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Mon, 29 May 2017 16:11:30 -0400
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] College Disability Services
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I am a Junior in High School, and am researching different
>>>> college Disability Services offices.  I have been reading a lot
>>>> on their sites, and I understand that they determine whether an
>>>> Accommodation is reasonable.  I am very curious about this.  I
>>>> would think that DSS employees probably do not have a lot of
>>>> training in blindness? As long as you present good documentation
>>>> of your blindness and explain logically why you need an
>>>> accommodation, have you found that they listen to you? I just
>>>> noticed that two out of the three websites I have been looking at
>>>> say that faculty should discuss concerns with DSS before
>>>> involving the student.  This is just a curiosity thing, not a
>>>> question that is urgent.  I just wanted to here people??
>>>> thoughts.
>>>> Best,
>>>> Mikayla
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>>> for NABS-L:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina
>>>> tion%40gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 10
>>>> Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 17:12:44 -0500
>>>> From: Ahbee Orton <ahbeeorton at yahoo.com
>>>> To: Lizzy via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] ACT and SAT and PSAT Preparation
>>>> Message-ID: <F46B0E89-430C-4C32-94EE-60513A5615AC at yahoo.com
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I was wondering about what y'all's scores were on the ACT, SAT, and
> PSAT? How did you prepare for these tests as welb? I need to prepare, and
I
> wanted to get some advice from y'all.  I also wanted to know how well you
> all did! Thanks!
>>>> 
>>>> Respectfully yours,
>>>> Ahbee
>>>> 
>>>> ?Love is patient, love is kind.  It does not envy, it does not boast,
it
> is not proud.  It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is
> not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight
in
> evil but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always trusts,
always
> hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV???Love is patient, love is kind.  It
does
> not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It does not dishonor
others,
> it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of
> wrongs.  Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.  It
> always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV??
>>>> ??1 John? ?4:19? ?NIV?
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 11
>>>> Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 00:35:05 +0200
>>>> From: "Zachary N.  Griego-Dreicer" <zdreicer at gmail.com
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ACT and SAT and PSAT Preparation
>>>> Message-ID: <30C9C9C8-6046-41AE-88BD-7CB6218009D7 at gmail.com
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
>>>> 
>>>> Hi, at my school there was an ACT/SAT prep class, also I found practice
> materials online.  Good luck studying!
>>>> 
>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> characteristic that defines you or your future.  Every day we raise the
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
> between blind people and our dreams.  You can live the life you want;
> blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
>>>> 
>>>> On May 30, 2017, at 00:12, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I was wondering about what y'all's scores were on the ACT, SAT, and
> PSAT? How did you prepare for these tests as welb? I need to prepare, and
I
> wanted to get some advice from y'all.  I also wanted to know how well you
> all did! Thanks!
>>>> 
>>>> Respectfully yours,
>>>> Ahbee
>>>> 
>>>> ?Love is patient, love is kind.  It does not envy, it does not boast,
it
> is not proud.  It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is
> not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight
in
> evil but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always trusts,
always
> hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV???Love is patient, love is kind.  It
does
> not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It does not dishonor
others,
> it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of
> wrongs.  Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.  It
> always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV??
>>>> ??1 John? ?4:19? ?NIV?
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NABS-L:
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>>>> ail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 12
>>>> Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 16:07:13 -0700
>>>> From: "Cricket X.  Bidleman" <cricketbidleman at gmail.com
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ACT and SAT and PSAT Preparation
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> 
>>>> <CABP7S8Ou_mK6Y96KLVTnEfBbbxE7uoUqvC2N07cWSzixRxmKqg at mail.gm
>>>> ail.com
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Ahbee,
>>>> 
>>>> Larger schools will typically have prep classes.  There are apps that
>>>> you can get for your phone, but the math questions are generally not
>>>> accessible.  You can use the "free rice" website, which I love.  They
>>>> have an SAT prep category.  There are, of course, online prep
>>>> materials.  There are also books on bookshare and prep books that you
>>>> should be able to get in hard copy Braille.
>>>> 
>>>> I also want to remind you that getting into college is certainly not
>>>> all about test scores.  If it was, I owd not have gotten into Stanford
>>>> or anywhere else to be perfectly honest.  My SAT scores were absolutely
>>>> terrible, and I haven't passed many AP exams either.  So while I
>>>> certainly advocate studying up for those tests, don't think that a bad
>>>> score or two is the end all of end alls.
>>>> 
>>>> Also, I really do think it's important to take each test that you're
>>>> planning to take twice.  The first time, it's just a good idea to get a
>>>> feel for the test layout, types of questions, etc.  When I retook the
>>>> SAT, I did much better (though still not nearly as well as I would
>>>> have liked) on it, and even though I had to pay for my second test, I
>>>> thought it was worth it.  I also want to just take a quick minute to
>>>> remind you that you will likely not be testing with all the other
>>>> students.  Instead, it will probably be proctored for you individually
>>>> at school, during a school day so that you receive your testing
>>>> accommodations, as prescribed by the College Board accommodations
>>>> letter you should have already gotten.  Hope this helps!
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Cricket X.  Bidleman
>>>> NCS Pearson, Associate Quality Assurance Engineer
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/29/17, Zachary N.  Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>>> Hi, at my school there was an ACT/SAT prep class, also I found practice
>>>> materials online.  Good luck studying!
>>>> 
>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future.  Every day we raise the
>>>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
>>>> between blind people and our dreams.  You can live the life you want;
>>>> blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
>>>> 
>>>> On May 30, 2017, at 00:12, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I was wondering about what y'all's scores were on the ACT, SAT, and
> PSAT?
>>>> How did you prepare for these tests as welb? I need to prepare, and I
>>>> wanted to get some advice from y'all.  I also wanted to know how well
> you
>>>> all did! Thanks!
>>>> 
>>>> Respectfully yours,
>>>> Ahbee
>>>> 
>>>> ?Love is patient, love is kind.  It does not envy, it does not boast,
it
> is
>>>> not proud.  It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is
> not
>>>> easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight in
>>>> evil but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always trusts,
>>>> always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV???Love is patient, love is kind.  It
does
>>>> not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It does not dishonor
> others,
>>>> it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of
>>>> wrongs.  Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.  It
>>>> always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV??
>>>> ??1 John? ?4:19? ?NIV?
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> NABS-L:
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>>>> ail.com
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> NABS-L:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidlem
>>>> an%40gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 13
>>>> Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 19:09:03 -0400
>>>> From: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>>> list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College Disability Services
>>>> Message-ID: <592caa2e.10a3810a.70b9f.47d7 at mx.google.com
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=EUC-KR; format=flowed
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Mikayla,
>>>> 
>>>> I think this varies by school, but at the ones I've attended,
>>>> there is a standard list of accommodations, and you just tell
>>>> them which one's you need.  Beyond proving that you had a
>>>> disability, you didn't have to do anything to show that you
>>>> needed a particular accommodation, but it might be different if
>>>> you wanted something strange like more than the standard amount
>>>> of extended test time or something.  I'm not sure what the thing
>>>> about instructors going to the office rather than the student is,
>>>> but since you don't have to disclose what disability you have
>>>> that makes you need an accommodation, maybe it's designed to
>>>> protect people (especially those with invisible disabilities)
>>>> from awkward questions from professors.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Karl
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Mon, 29 May 2017 16:11:30 -0400
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] College Disability Services
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I am a Junior in High School, and am researching different
>>>> college Disability Services offices.  I have been reading a lot on
>>>> their sites, and I understand that they determine whether an
>>>> Accommodation is reasonable.  I am very curious about this.  I
>>>> would think that DSS employees probably do not have a lot of
>>>> training in blindness? As long as you present good documentation
>>>> of your blindness and explain logically why you need an
>>>> accommodation, have you found that they listen to you? I just
>>>> noticed that two out of the three websites I have been looking at
>>>> say that faculty should discuss concerns with DSS before
>>>> involving the student.  This is just a curiosity thing, not a
>>>> question that is urgent.  I just wanted to here people??
>>>> thoughts.
>>>> Best,
>>>> Mikayla
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>>> for NABS-L:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma
>>>> il.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 14
>>>> Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 19:31:31 -0400
>>>> From: Taylor Arndt <taylorarndt99 at gmail.com
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ACT and SAT and PSAT Preparation
>>>> Message-ID: <50690889-FECC-484D-B0CB-C3F44FE4BFB3 at gmail.com
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
>>>> 
>>>> No, I took an SAT prep course that was not offered at my school it was
a
> little bit expensive but if you are interested I will give you the
details.
> The course I took in the company they were the best company and they
really
> care about visually impaired persons.  They gave me all the materials in
> accessible format.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On May 29, 2017, at 7:07 PM, Cricket X.  Bidleman via NABS-L
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Ahbee,
>>>> 
>>>> Larger schools will typically have prep classes.  There are apps that
>>>> you can get for your phone, but the math questions are generally not
>>>> accessible.  You can use the "free rice" website, which I love.  They
>>>> have an SAT prep category.  There are, of course, online prep
>>>> materials.  There are also books on bookshare and prep books that you
>>>> should be able to get in hard copy Braille.
>>>> 
>>>> I also want to remind you that getting into college is certainly not
>>>> all about test scores.  If it was, I owd not have gotten into Stanford
>>>> or anywhere else to be perfectly honest.  My SAT scores were absolutely
>>>> terrible, and I haven't passed many AP exams either.  So while I
>>>> certainly advocate studying up for those tests, don't think that a bad
>>>> score or two is the end all of end alls.
>>>> 
>>>> Also, I really do think it's important to take each test that you're
>>>> planning to take twice.  The first time, it's just a good idea to get a
>>>> feel for the test layout, types of questions, etc.  When I retook the
>>>> SAT, I did much better (though still not nearly as well as I would
>>>> have liked) on it, and even though I had to pay for my second test, I
>>>> thought it was worth it.  I also want to just take a quick minute to
>>>> remind you that you will likely not be testing with all the other
>>>> students.  Instead, it will probably be proctored for you individually
>>>> at school, during a school day so that you receive your testing
>>>> accommodations, as prescribed by the College Board accommodations
>>>> letter you should have already gotten.  Hope this helps!
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Cricket X.  Bidleman
>>>> NCS Pearson, Associate Quality Assurance Engineer
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/29/17, Zachary N.  Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>>> Hi, at my school there was an ACT/SAT prep class, also I found practice
>>>> materials online.  Good luck studying!
>>>> 
>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future.  Every day we raise the
>>>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
>>>> between blind people and our dreams.  You can live the life you want;
>>>> blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
>>>> 
>>>> On May 30, 2017, at 00:12, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I was wondering about what y'all's scores were on the ACT, SAT, and
> PSAT?
>>>> How did you prepare for these tests as welb? I need to prepare, and I
>>>> wanted to get some advice from y'all.  I also wanted to know how well
> you
>>>> all did! Thanks!
>>>> 
>>>> Respectfully yours,
>>>> Ahbee
>>>> 
>>>> ?Love is patient, love is kind.  It does not envy, it does not boast,
it
> is
>>>> not proud.  It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is
> not
>>>> easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight in
>>>> evil but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always trusts,
>>>> always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV???Love is patient, love is kind.  It
does
>>>> not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It does not dishonor
> others,
>>>> it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of
>>>> wrongs.  Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.  It
>>>> always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV??
>>>> ??1 John? ?4:19? ?NIV?
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> NABS-L:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gm
>>>> ail.com
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> NABS-L:
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>>>> an%40gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NABS-L:
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>>>> %40gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 15
>>>> Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 18:44:47 -0500
>>>> From: Ahbee Orton <ahbeeorton at yahoo.com
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ACT and SAT and PSAT Preparation
>>>> Message-ID: <19413117-5F19-46DE-A228-F4B95520779A at yahoo.com
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, please.  I'd like the details.  I'd also like, those people who
are
> comfortable telling me, to know your scores on your tests.
>>>> 
>>>> ?Love is patient, love is kind.  It does not envy, it does not boast,
it
> is not proud.  It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is
> not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight
in
> evil but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always trusts,
always
> hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV???Love is patient, love is kind.  It
does
> not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It does not dishonor
others,
> it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of
> wrongs.  Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.  It
> always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV??
>>>> ??1 John? ?4:19? ?NIV?
>>>> 
>>>> On May 29, 2017, at 6:31 PM, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> No, I took an SAT prep course that was not offered at my school it was
a
> little bit expensive but if you are interested I will give you the
details.
> The course I took in the company they were the best company and they
really
> care about visually impaired persons.  They gave me all the materials in
> accessible format.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On May 29, 2017, at 7:07 PM, Cricket X.  Bidleman via NABS-L
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Ahbee,
>>>> 
>>>> Larger schools will typically have prep classes.  There are apps that
>>>> you can get for your phone, but the math questions are generally not
>>>> accessible.  You can use the "free rice" website, which I love.  They
>>>> have an SAT prep category.  There are, of course, online prep
>>>> materials.  There are also books on bookshare and prep books that you
>>>> should be able to get in hard copy Braille.
>>>> 
>>>> I also want to remind you that getting into college is certainly not
>>>> all about test scores.  If it was, I owd not have gotten into Stanford
>>>> or anywhere else to be perfectly honest.  My SAT scores were absolutely
>>>> terrible, and I haven't passed many AP exams either.  So while I
>>>> certainly advocate studying up for those tests, don't think that a bad
>>>> score or two is the end all of end alls.
>>>> 
>>>> Also, I really do think it's important to take each test that you're
>>>> planning to take twice.  The first time, it's just a good idea to get a
>>>> feel for the test layout, types of questions, etc.  When I retook the
>>>> SAT, I did much better (though still not nearly as well as I would
>>>> have liked) on it, and even though I had to pay for my second test, I
>>>> thought it was worth it.  I also want to just take a quick minute to
>>>> remind you that you will likely not be testing with all the other
>>>> students.  Instead, it will probably be proctored for you individually
>>>> at school, during a school day so that you receive your testing
>>>> accommodations, as prescribed by the College Board accommodations
>>>> letter you should have already gotten.  Hope this helps!
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Cricket X.  Bidleman
>>>> NCS Pearson, Associate Quality Assurance Engineer
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/29/17, Zachary N.  Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>>> Hi, at my school there was an ACT/SAT prep class, also I found practice
>>>> materials online.  Good luck studying!
>>>> 
>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future.  Every day we raise the
>>>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
>>>> between blind people and our dreams.  You can live the life you want;
>>>> blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
>>>> 
>>>> On May 30, 2017, at 00:12, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I was wondering about what y'all's scores were on the ACT, SAT, and
> PSAT?
>>>> How did you prepare for these tests as welb? I need to prepare, and I
>>>> wanted to get some advice from y'all.  I also wanted to know how well
> you
>>>> all did! Thanks!
>>>> 
>>>> Respectfully yours,
>>>> Ahbee
>>>> 
>>>> ?Love is patient, love is kind.  It does not envy, it does not boast,
it
> is
>>>> not proud.  It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is
> not
>>>> easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight in
>>>> evil but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always trusts,
>>>> always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV???Love is patient, love is kind.  It
does
>>>> not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It does not dishonor
> others,
>>>> it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of
>>>> wrongs.  Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.  It
>>>> always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV??
>>>> ??1 John? ?4:19? ?NIV?
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>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 16
>>>> Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 17:33:16 -0700
>>>> From: Miso Kwak <misokwak12 at gmail.com
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ACT and SAT and PSAT Preparation
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> 
>>>> <CAMe9x_En=4ys3yhTNrpBSky4hr3xqD2f1S06OaCWxgmN2wfQvQ at mail.gm
>>>> ail.com
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Ahbee,
>>>> Please keep in mind that I applied for Fall 2013 admission so I am I
>>>> guess getting a bit old for this college admission game...
>>>> I did take both the SAT and ACT and did self-study for the most part.
>>>> I've only gotten a few sessions of writing tutor and math tutor.
>>>> 
>>>> I scored 1950/2400 (back then the SAT was on 2400) and 32/36 on the
>>>> ACT.  I took SAT subject tests for world history, chemistry, and U.S.
>>>> history but I honestly don't remember those scores.  None of them were
>>>> 800 though.  Probably somewhere between 650-750.  I ended up attending
>>>> UCLA.
>>>> I am disclosing my scores publicly because well those scores don't
>>>> mean much anymore at this point as a college senior...  and also to
>>>> share that test scores are not everything as Cricket mentioned.
>>>> 
>>>> It is natural for you to feel anxious about college admission process
>>>> and taking these tests but in the end colleges are reviewing each
>>>> student holistically so they definitely want more than perfect high
>>>> school GPA and SAT/ACT scores.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Miso
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/29/17, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Yes, please.  I'd like the details.  I'd also like, those people who
are
>>>> comfortable telling me, to know your scores on your tests.
>>>> 
>>>> ?Love is patient, love is kind.  It does not envy, it does not boast,
it
> is
>>>> not proud.  It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is
> not
>>>> easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight in
> evil
>>>> but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always trusts, always
>>>> hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV???Love is patient, love is kind.  It
does
> not
>>>> envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It does not dishonor others,
> it is
>>>> not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of
> wrongs.
>>>> Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.  It always
>>>> protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV??
>>>> ??1 John? ?4:19? ?NIV?
>>>> 
>>>> On May 29, 2017, at 6:31 PM, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> No, I took an SAT prep course that was not offered at my school it was
a
>>>> little bit expensive but if you are interested I will give you the
>>>> details.  The course I took in the company they were the best company
> and
>>>> they really care about visually impaired persons.  They gave me all the
>>>> materials in accessible format.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On May 29, 2017, at 7:07 PM, Cricket X.  Bidleman via NABS-L
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Ahbee,
>>>> 
>>>> Larger schools will typically have prep classes.  There are apps that
>>>> you can get for your phone, but the math questions are generally not
>>>> accessible.  You can use the "free rice" website, which I love.  They
>>>> have an SAT prep category.  There are, of course, online prep
>>>> materials.  There are also books on bookshare and prep books that you
>>>> should be able to get in hard copy Braille.
>>>> 
>>>> I also want to remind you that getting into college is certainly not
>>>> all about test scores.  If it was, I owd not have gotten into Stanford
>>>> or anywhere else to be perfectly honest.  My SAT scores were absolutely
>>>> terrible, and I haven't passed many AP exams either.  So while I
>>>> certainly advocate studying up for those tests, don't think that a bad
>>>> score or two is the end all of end alls.
>>>> 
>>>> Also, I really do think it's important to take each test that you're
>>>> planning to take twice.  The first time, it's just a good idea to get a
>>>> feel for the test layout, types of questions, etc.  When I retook the
>>>> SAT, I did much better (though still not nearly as well as I would
>>>> have liked) on it, and even though I had to pay for my second test, I
>>>> thought it was worth it.  I also want to just take a quick minute to
>>>> remind you that you will likely not be testing with all the other
>>>> students.  Instead, it will probably be proctored for you individually
>>>> at school, during a school day so that you receive your testing
>>>> accommodations, as prescribed by the College Board accommodations
>>>> letter you should have already gotten.  Hope this helps!
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Cricket X.  Bidleman
>>>> NCS Pearson, Associate Quality Assurance Engineer
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/29/17, Zachary N.  Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi, at my school there was an ACT/SAT prep class, also I found practice
>>>> materials online.  Good luck studying!
>>>> 
>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future.  Every day we raise the
>>>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
>>>> between blind people and our dreams.  You can live the life you want;
>>>> blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
>>>> 
>>>> On May 30, 2017, at 00:12, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I was wondering about what y'all's scores were on the ACT, SAT, and
>>>> PSAT?
>>>> How did you prepare for these tests as welb? I need to prepare, and I
>>>> wanted to get some advice from y'all.  I also wanted to know how well
>>>> you
>>>> all did! Thanks!
>>>> 
>>>> Respectfully yours,
>>>> Ahbee
>>>> 
>>>> ?Love is patient, love is kind.  It does not envy, it does not boast,
it
>>>> is
>>>> not proud.  It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is
>>>> not
>>>> easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight in
>>>> evil but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always trusts,
>>>> always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV???Love is patient, love is kind.  It
does
>>>> not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It does not dishonor
>>>> others,
>>>> it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of
>>>> wrongs.  Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.  It
>>>> always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV??
>>>> ??1 John? ?4:19? ?NIV?
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NABS-L mailing list
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Miso Kwak
>>>> University of California, Los Angeles | 2017
>>>> Psychology B.A.  | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
>>>> (909) 660-1897
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 17
>>>> Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 20:45:51 -0400
>>>> From: Taylor Arndt <taylorarndt99 at gmail.com
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ACT and SAT and PSAT Preparation
>>>> Message-ID: <0318CA59-FFFD-4A02-8254-F54372EF8574 at gmail.com
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
>>>> 
>>>> OK here we go The company is Veritas Prep and I really like their
course
> because like I said I got accessible materials they have both test prep
act
> and SAT The price is about $695 for a five week course which includes also
> office hours after class to clarify content I know this may be beyond some
> people's financial budget, but I got my department a vocational
> rehabilitation to pay for this.  Do not if you do anything go with Kaplan,
> Princeton review,  They do not care about accessibility, and will not give
> you things in accessible material.  So a free trial class that you may try
> if you type in it in Google search.  They also use adobe    connect, and
for
> screen reader users I would recommend using Microsoft edge and windows 10
or
> Internet explore this works best with the  client.  Also, I had read a
> Pearson as an instructor, and Jeffrey as an instructor.  Also I'm not
afraid
> to show my scores because I'm very proud of them.  Without this course, I
> would not of been able to get the score that I got.  The first time I took
> the test I got a 610, and when I got my results back this year I took it
> again and got an 850.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On May 29, 2017, at 8:33 PM, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Ahbee,
>>>> Please keep in mind that I applied for Fall 2013 admission so I am I
>>>> guess getting a bit old for this college admission game...
>>>> I did take both the SAT and ACT and did self-study for the most part.
>>>> I've only gotten a few sessions of writing tutor and math tutor.
>>>> 
>>>> I scored 1950/2400 (back then the SAT was on 2400) and 32/36 on the
>>>> ACT.  I took SAT subject tests for world history, chemistry, and U.S.
>>>> history but I honestly don't remember those scores.  None of them were
>>>> 800 though.  Probably somewhere between 650-750.  I ended up attending
>>>> UCLA.
>>>> I am disclosing my scores publicly because well those scores don't
>>>> mean much anymore at this point as a college senior...  and also to
>>>> share that test scores are not everything as Cricket mentioned.
>>>> 
>>>> It is natural for you to feel anxious about college admission process
>>>> and taking these tests but in the end colleges are reviewing each
>>>> student holistically so they definitely want more than perfect high
>>>> school GPA and SAT/ACT scores.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Miso
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/29/17, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Yes, please.  I'd like the details.  I'd also like, those people who
are
>>>> comfortable telling me, to know your scores on your tests.
>>>> 
>>>> ?Love is patient, love is kind.  It does not envy, it does not boast,
it
> is
>>>> not proud.  It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is
> not
>>>> easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight in
> evil
>>>> but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always trusts, always
>>>> hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV???Love is patient, love is kind.  It
does
> not
>>>> envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It does not dishonor others,
> it is
>>>> not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of
> wrongs.
>>>> Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.  It always
>>>> protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV??
>>>> ??1 John? ?4:19? ?NIV?
>>>> 
>>>> On May 29, 2017, at 6:31 PM, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> No, I took an SAT prep course that was not offered at my school it was
a
>>>> little bit expensive but if you are interested I will give you the
>>>> details.  The course I took in the company they were the best company
> and
>>>> they really care about visually impaired persons.  They gave me all the
>>>> materials in accessible format.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On May 29, 2017, at 7:07 PM, Cricket X.  Bidleman via NABS-L
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Ahbee,
>>>> 
>>>> Larger schools will typically have prep classes.  There are apps that
>>>> you can get for your phone, but the math questions are generally not
>>>> accessible.  You can use the "free rice" website, which I love.  They
>>>> have an SAT prep category.  There are, of course, online prep
>>>> materials.  There are also books on bookshare and prep books that you
>>>> should be able to get in hard copy Braille.
>>>> 
>>>> I also want to remind you that getting into college is certainly not
>>>> all about test scores.  If it was, I owd not have gotten into Stanford
>>>> or anywhere else to be perfectly honest.  My SAT scores were absolutely
>>>> terrible, and I haven't passed many AP exams either.  So while I
>>>> certainly advocate studying up for those tests, don't think that a bad
>>>> score or two is the end all of end alls.
>>>> 
>>>> Also, I really do think it's important to take each test that you're
>>>> planning to take twice.  The first time, it's just a good idea to get a
>>>> feel for the test layout, types of questions, etc.  When I retook the
>>>> SAT, I did much better (though still not nearly as well as I would
>>>> have liked) on it, and even though I had to pay for my second test, I
>>>> thought it was worth it.  I also want to just take a quick minute to
>>>> remind you that you will likely not be testing with all the other
>>>> students.  Instead, it will probably be proctored for you individually
>>>> at school, during a school day so that you receive your testing
>>>> accommodations, as prescribed by the College Board accommodations
>>>> letter you should have already gotten.  Hope this helps!
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Cricket X.  Bidleman
>>>> NCS Pearson, Associate Quality Assurance Engineer
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/29/17, Zachary N.  Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi, at my school there was an ACT/SAT prep class, also I found practice
>>>> materials online.  Good luck studying!
>>>> 
>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future.  Every day we raise the
>>>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
>>>> between blind people and our dreams.  You can live the life you want;
>>>> blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
>>>> 
>>>> On May 30, 2017, at 00:12, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I was wondering about what y'all's scores were on the ACT, SAT, and
>>>> PSAT?
>>>> How did you prepare for these tests as welb? I need to prepare, and I
>>>> wanted to get some advice from y'all.  I also wanted to know how well
>>>> you
>>>> all did! Thanks!
>>>> 
>>>> Respectfully yours,
>>>> Ahbee
>>>> 
>>>> ?Love is patient, love is kind.  It does not envy, it does not boast,
it
>>>> is
>>>> not proud.  It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is
>>>> not
>>>> easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight in
>>>> evil but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always trusts,
>>>> always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV???Love is patient, love is kind.  It
does
>>>> not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It does not dishonor
>>>> others,
>>>> it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of
>>>> wrongs.  Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.  It
>>>> always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV??
>>>> ??1 John? ?4:19? ?NIV?
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NABS-L mailing list
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Miso Kwak
>>>> University of California, Los Angeles | 2017
>>>> Psychology B.A.  | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
>>>> (909) 660-1897
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 18
>>>> Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 20:49:18 -0400
>>>> From: Alexandra Alfonso <alliefa1999 at gmail.com
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ACT and SAT and PSAT Preparation
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> 
>>>> <CAO84cXo5=7RV=eOu86A-h9_7ap7Pdqw6++H3jtye_Z0nGcKCiA at mail.gm
>>>> ail.com
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Ahbee,
>>>> I've taken  the SAT once and I got a 1130.  I am going to take it twice
>>>> more.  I I went to a prep class outside of school.  Also, I did a prep
>>>> class in school and I had tutoring outside of school.
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/29/17, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hi Ahbee,
>>>> Please keep in mind that I applied for Fall 2013 admission so I am I
>>>> guess getting a bit old for this college admission game...
>>>> I did take both the SAT and ACT and did self-study for the most part.
>>>> I've only gotten a few sessions of writing tutor and math tutor.
>>>> 
>>>> I scored 1950/2400 (back then the SAT was on 2400) and 32/36 on the
>>>> ACT.  I took SAT subject tests for world history, chemistry, and U.S.
>>>> history but I honestly don't remember those scores.  None of them were
>>>> 800 though.  Probably somewhere between 650-750.  I ended up attending
>>>> UCLA.
>>>> I am disclosing my scores publicly because well those scores don't
>>>> mean much anymore at this point as a college senior...  and also to
>>>> share that test scores are not everything as Cricket mentioned.
>>>> 
>>>> It is natural for you to feel anxious about college admission process
>>>> and taking these tests but in the end colleges are reviewing each
>>>> student holistically so they definitely want more than perfect high
>>>> school GPA and SAT/ACT scores.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Miso
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/29/17, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Yes, please.  I'd like the details.  I'd also like, those people who
are
>>>> comfortable telling me, to know your scores on your tests.
>>>> 
>>>> ?Love is patient, love is kind.  It does not envy, it does not boast,
it
> is
>>>> not proud.  It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is
> not
>>>> easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight in
>>>> evil
>>>> but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always trusts, always
>>>> hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV???Love is patient, love is kind.  It
does
>>>> not
>>>> envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It does not dishonor others,
> it
>>>> is
>>>> not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of
> wrongs.
>>>> Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.  It always
>>>> protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV??
>>>> ??1 John? ?4:19? ?NIV?
>>>> 
>>>> On May 29, 2017, at 6:31 PM, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> No, I took an SAT prep course that was not offered at my school it was
a
>>>> little bit expensive but if you are interested I will give you the
>>>> details.  The course I took in the company they were the best company
> and
>>>> they really care about visually impaired persons.  They gave me all the
>>>> materials in accessible format.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On May 29, 2017, at 7:07 PM, Cricket X.  Bidleman via NABS-L
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Ahbee,
>>>> 
>>>> Larger schools will typically have prep classes.  There are apps that
>>>> you can get for your phone, but the math questions are generally not
>>>> accessible.  You can use the "free rice" website, which I love.  They
>>>> have an SAT prep category.  There are, of course, online prep
>>>> materials.  There are also books on bookshare and prep books that you
>>>> should be able to get in hard copy Braille.
>>>> 
>>>> I also want to remind you that getting into college is certainly not
>>>> all about test scores.  If it was, I owd not have gotten into Stanford
>>>> or anywhere else to be perfectly honest.  My SAT scores were absolutely
>>>> terrible, and I haven't passed many AP exams either.  So while I
>>>> certainly advocate studying up for those tests, don't think that a bad
>>>> score or two is the end all of end alls.
>>>> 
>>>> Also, I really do think it's important to take each test that you're
>>>> planning to take twice.  The first time, it's just a good idea to get a
>>>> feel for the test layout, types of questions, etc.  When I retook the
>>>> SAT, I did much better (though still not nearly as well as I would
>>>> have liked) on it, and even though I had to pay for my second test, I
>>>> thought it was worth it.  I also want to just take a quick minute to
>>>> remind you that you will likely not be testing with all the other
>>>> students.  Instead, it will probably be proctored for you individually
>>>> at school, during a school day so that you receive your testing
>>>> accommodations, as prescribed by the College Board accommodations
>>>> letter you should have already gotten.  Hope this helps!
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Cricket X.  Bidleman
>>>> NCS Pearson, Associate Quality Assurance Engineer
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/29/17, Zachary N.  Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi, at my school there was an ACT/SAT prep class, also I found practice
>>>> materials online.  Good luck studying!
>>>> 
>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future.  Every day we raise the
>>>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
>>>> between blind people and our dreams.  You can live the life you want;
>>>> blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
>>>> 
>>>> On May 30, 2017, at 00:12, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I was wondering about what y'all's scores were on the ACT, SAT, and
>>>> PSAT?
>>>> How did you prepare for these tests as welb? I need to prepare, and I
>>>> wanted to get some advice from y'all.  I also wanted to know how well
>>>> you
>>>> all did! Thanks!
>>>> 
>>>> Respectfully yours,
>>>> Ahbee
>>>> 
>>>> ?Love is patient, love is kind.  It does not envy, it does not boast,
>>>> it
>>>> is
>>>> not proud.  It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is
>>>> not
>>>> easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight in
>>>> evil but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always trusts,
>>>> always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV???Love is patient, love is kind.  It
>>>> does
>>>> not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It does not dishonor
>>>> others,
>>>> it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record
>>>> of
>>>> wrongs.  Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.  It
>>>> always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV??
>>>> ??1 John? ?4:19? ?NIV?
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NABS-L mailing list
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>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Miso Kwak
>>>> University of California, Los Angeles | 2017
>>>> Psychology B.A.  | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
>>>> (909) 660-1897
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 19
>>>> Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 00:28:25 -0400
>>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ACT and SAT and PSAT Preparation
>>>> Message-ID: <1382E5C5C5FD40AAA522284C0C935DAC at OwnerPC
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8";
>>>> reply-type=original
>>>> 
>>>> Taylor,
>>>> Interesting; I have not heard of a company being real accomodating
> before.
>>>> Was your course online? What format was it and what software was used?
> Adobe
>>>> connect is a common meeting platform but is only semi accessible to
> screen
>>>> readers.
>>>> 
>>>> Ashley
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Taylor Arndt via NABS-L
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 8:45 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Cc: Taylor Arndt
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ACT and SAT and PSAT Preparation
>>>> 
>>>> OK here we go The company is Veritas Prep and I really like their
course
>>>> because like I said I got accessible materials they have both test prep
> act
>>>> and SAT The price is about $695 for a five week course which includes
> also
>>>> office hours after class to clarify content I know this may be beyond
> some
>>>> people's financial budget, but I got my department a vocational
>>>> rehabilitation to pay for this.  Do not if you do anything go with
> Kaplan,
>>>> Princeton review,  They do not care about accessibility, and will not
> give
>>>> you things in accessible material.  So a free trial class that you may
> try if
>>>> you type in it in Google search.  They also use adobe    connect, and
> for
>>>> screen reader users I would recommend using Microsoft edge and windows
> 10 or
>>>> Internet explore this works best with the  client.  Also, I had read a
>>>> Pearson as an instructor, and Jeffrey as an instructor.  Also I'm not
> afraid
>>>> to show my scores because I'm very proud of them.  Without this course,
> I
>>>> would not of been able to get the score that I got.  The first time I
> took
>>>> the test I got a 610, and when I got my results back this year I took
it
>>>> again and got an 850.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On May 29, 2017, at 8:33 PM, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Ahbee,
>>>> Please keep in mind that I applied for Fall 2013 admission so I am I
>>>> guess getting a bit old for this college admission game...
>>>> I did take both the SAT and ACT and did self-study for the most part.
>>>> I've only gotten a few sessions of writing tutor and math tutor.
>>>> 
>>>> I scored 1950/2400 (back then the SAT was on 2400) and 32/36 on the
>>>> ACT.  I took SAT subject tests for world history, chemistry, and U.S.
>>>> history but I honestly don't remember those scores.  None of them were
>>>> 800 though.  Probably somewhere between 650-750.  I ended up attending
>>>> UCLA.
>>>> I am disclosing my scores publicly because well those scores don't
>>>> mean much anymore at this point as a college senior...  and also to
>>>> share that test scores are not everything as Cricket mentioned.
>>>> 
>>>> It is natural for you to feel anxious about college admission process
>>>> and taking these tests but in the end colleges are reviewing each
>>>> student holistically so they definitely want more than perfect high
>>>> school GPA and SAT/ACT scores.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Miso
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/29/17, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Yes, please.  I'd like the details.  I'd also like, those people who
are
>>>> comfortable telling me, to know your scores on your tests.
>>>> 
>>>> ?Love is patient, love is kind.  It does not envy, it does not boast,
it
>>>> is
>>>> not proud.  It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is
> not
>>>> easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight in
>>>> evil
>>>> but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always trusts, always
>>>> hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV???Love is patient, love is kind.  It
does
>>>> not
>>>> envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It does not dishonor others,
> it
>>>> is
>>>> not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of
> wrongs.
>>>> Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.  It always
>>>> protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV??
>>>> ??1 John? ?4:19? ?NIV?
>>>> 
>>>> On May 29, 2017, at 6:31 PM, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> No, I took an SAT prep course that was not offered at my school it was
a
>>>> little bit expensive but if you are interested I will give you the
>>>> details.  The course I took in the company they were the best company
> and
>>>> they really care about visually impaired persons.  They gave me all the
>>>> materials in accessible format.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On May 29, 2017, at 7:07 PM, Cricket X.  Bidleman via NABS-L
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Ahbee,
>>>> 
>>>> Larger schools will typically have prep classes.  There are apps that
>>>> you can get for your phone, but the math questions are generally not
>>>> accessible.  You can use the "free rice" website, which I love.  They
>>>> have an SAT prep category.  There are, of course, online prep
>>>> materials.  There are also books on bookshare and prep books that you
>>>> should be able to get in hard copy Braille.
>>>> 
>>>> I also want to remind you that getting into college is certainly not
>>>> all about test scores.  If it was, I owd not have gotten into Stanford
>>>> or anywhere else to be perfectly honest.  My SAT scores were absolutely
>>>> terrible, and I haven't passed many AP exams either.  So while I
>>>> certainly advocate studying up for those tests, don't think that a bad
>>>> score or two is the end all of end alls.
>>>> 
>>>> Also, I really do think it's important to take each test that you're
>>>> planning to take twice.  The first time, it's just a good idea to get a
>>>> feel for the test layout, types of questions, etc.  When I retook the
>>>> SAT, I did much better (though still not nearly as well as I would
>>>> have liked) on it, and even though I had to pay for my second test, I
>>>> thought it was worth it.  I also want to just take a quick minute to
>>>> remind you that you will likely not be testing with all the other
>>>> students.  Instead, it will probably be proctored for you individually
>>>> at school, during a school day so that you receive your testing
>>>> accommodations, as prescribed by the College Board accommodations
>>>> letter you should have already gotten.  Hope this helps!
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Cricket X.  Bidleman
>>>> NCS Pearson, Associate Quality Assurance Engineer
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/29/17, Zachary N.  Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi, at my school there was an ACT/SAT prep class, also I found
>>>> practice
>>>> materials online.  Good luck studying!
>>>> 
>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future.  Every day we raise the
>>>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create
>>>> obstacles
>>>> between blind people and our dreams.  You can live the life you want;
>>>> blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
>>>> 
>>>> On May 30, 2017, at 00:12, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I was wondering about what y'all's scores were on the ACT, SAT, and
>>>> PSAT?
>>>> How did you prepare for these tests as welb? I need to prepare, and I
>>>> wanted to get some advice from y'all.  I also wanted to know how well
>>>> you
>>>> all did! Thanks!
>>>> 
>>>> Respectfully yours,
>>>> Ahbee
>>>> 
>>>> ?Love is patient, love is kind.  It does not envy, it does not boast,
>>>> it
>>>> is
>>>> not proud.  It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is
>>>> not
>>>> easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight
>>>> in
>>>> evil but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always trusts,
>>>> always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV???Love is patient, love is kind.  It
>>>> does
>>>> not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It does not dishonor
>>>> others,
>>>> it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record
>>>> of
>>>> wrongs.  Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.  It
>>>> always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV??
>>>> ??1 John? ?4:19? ?NIV?
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> NABS-L:
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>>>> ail.com
>>>> 
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>>>> an%40gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Miso Kwak
>>>> University of California, Los Angeles | 2017
>>>> Psychology B.A.  | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
>>>> (909) 660-1897
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NABS-L mailing list
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 20
>>>> Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 07:10:01 -0400
>>>> From: Taylor Arndt <taylorarndt99 at gmail.com
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ACT and SAT and PSAT Preparation
>>>> Message-ID: <838AB71D-BCD6-4457-80C7-1ABCB918DA3C at gmail.com
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
>>>> 
>>>> Online and NAvdA
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On May 30, 2017, at 12:28 AM, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Taylor,
>>>> Interesting; I have not heard of a company being real accomodating
> before.
>>>> Was your course online? What format was it and what software was used?
> Adobe connect is a common meeting platform but is only semi accessible to
> screen readers.
>>>> 
>>>> Ashley
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Taylor Arndt via NABS-L
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 8:45 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Cc: Taylor Arndt
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ACT and SAT and PSAT Preparation
>>>> 
>>>> OK here we go The company is Veritas Prep and I really like their
course
> because like I said I got accessible materials they have both test prep
act
> and SAT The price is about $695 for a five week course which includes also
> office hours after class to clarify content I know this may be beyond some
> people's financial budget, but I got my department a vocational
> rehabilitation to pay for this.  Do not if you do anything go with Kaplan,
> Princeton review,  They do not care about accessibility, and will not give
> you things in accessible material.  So a free trial class that you may try
> if you type in it in Google search.  They also use adobe    connect, and
for
> screen reader users I would recommend using Microsoft edge and windows 10
or
> Internet explore this works best with the  client.  Also, I had read a
> Pearson as an instructor, and Jeffrey as an instructor.  Also I'm not
afraid
> to show my scores because I'm very proud of them.  Without this course, I
> would not of been able to get the score that I got.  The first time I took
> the test I got a 610, and when I got my results back this year I took it
> again and got an 850.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On May 29, 2017, at 8:33 PM, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Ahbee,
>>>> Please keep in mind that I applied for Fall 2013 admission so I am I
>>>> guess getting a bit old for this college admission game...
>>>> I did take both the SAT and ACT and did self-study for the most part.
>>>> I've only gotten a few sessions of writing tutor and math tutor.
>>>> 
>>>> I scored 1950/2400 (back then the SAT was on 2400) and 32/36 on the
>>>> ACT.  I took SAT subject tests for world history, chemistry, and U.S.
>>>> history but I honestly don't remember those scores.  None of them were
>>>> 800 though.  Probably somewhere between 650-750.  I ended up attending
>>>> UCLA.
>>>> I am disclosing my scores publicly because well those scores don't
>>>> mean much anymore at this point as a college senior...  and also to
>>>> share that test scores are not everything as Cricket mentioned.
>>>> 
>>>> It is natural for you to feel anxious about college admission process
>>>> and taking these tests but in the end colleges are reviewing each
>>>> student holistically so they definitely want more than perfect high
>>>> school GPA and SAT/ACT scores.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Miso
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/29/17, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Yes, please.  I'd like the details.  I'd also like, those people who
are
>>>> comfortable telling me, to know your scores on your tests.
>>>> 
>>>> ?Love is patient, love is kind.  It does not envy, it does not boast,
it
> is
>>>> not proud.  It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is
> not
>>>> easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight in
> evil
>>>> but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always trusts, always
>>>> hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV???Love is patient, love is kind.  It
does
> not
>>>> envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It does not dishonor others,
> it is
>>>> not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of
> wrongs.
>>>> Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.  It always
>>>> protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV??
>>>> ??1 John? ?4:19? ?NIV?
>>>> 
>>>> On May 29, 2017, at 6:31 PM, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> No, I took an SAT prep course that was not offered at my school it was
a
>>>> little bit expensive but if you are interested I will give you the
>>>> details.  The course I took in the company they were the best company
> and
>>>> they really care about visually impaired persons.  They gave me all the
>>>> materials in accessible format.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On May 29, 2017, at 7:07 PM, Cricket X.  Bidleman via NABS-L
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Ahbee,
>>>> 
>>>> Larger schools will typically have prep classes.  There are apps that
>>>> you can get for your phone, but the math questions are generally not
>>>> accessible.  You can use the "free rice" website, which I love.  They
>>>> have an SAT prep category.  There are, of course, online prep
>>>> materials.  There are also books on bookshare and prep books that you
>>>> should be able to get in hard copy Braille.
>>>> 
>>>> I also want to remind you that getting into college is certainly not
>>>> all about test scores.  If it was, I owd not have gotten into Stanford
>>>> or anywhere else to be perfectly honest.  My SAT scores were absolutely
>>>> terrible, and I haven't passed many AP exams either.  So while I
>>>> certainly advocate studying up for those tests, don't think that a bad
>>>> score or two is the end all of end alls.
>>>> 
>>>> Also, I really do think it's important to take each test that you're
>>>> planning to take twice.  The first time, it's just a good idea to get a
>>>> feel for the test layout, types of questions, etc.  When I retook the
>>>> SAT, I did much better (though still not nearly as well as I would
>>>> have liked) on it, and even though I had to pay for my second test, I
>>>> thought it was worth it.  I also want to just take a quick minute to
>>>> remind you that you will likely not be testing with all the other
>>>> students.  Instead, it will probably be proctored for you individually
>>>> at school, during a school day so that you receive your testing
>>>> accommodations, as prescribed by the College Board accommodations
>>>> letter you should have already gotten.  Hope this helps!
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Cricket X.  Bidleman
>>>> NCS Pearson, Associate Quality Assurance Engineer
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/29/17, Zachary N.  Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi, at my school there was an ACT/SAT prep class, also I found practice
>>>> materials online.  Good luck studying!
>>>> 
>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future.  Every day we raise the
>>>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
>>>> between blind people and our dreams.  You can live the life you want;
>>>> blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
>>>> 
>>>> On May 30, 2017, at 00:12, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I was wondering about what y'all's scores were on the ACT, SAT, and
>>>> PSAT?
>>>> How did you prepare for these tests as welb? I need to prepare, and I
>>>> wanted to get some advice from y'all.  I also wanted to know how well
>>>> you
>>>> all did! Thanks!
>>>> 
>>>> Respectfully yours,
>>>> Ahbee
>>>> 
>>>> ?Love is patient, love is kind.  It does not envy, it does not boast,
it
>>>> is
>>>> not proud.  It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is
>>>> not
>>>> easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight in
>>>> evil but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always trusts,
>>>> always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV???Love is patient, love is kind.  It
does
>>>> not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It does not dishonor
>>>> others,
>>>> it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of
>>>> wrongs.  Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.  It
>>>> always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV??
>>>> ??1 John? ?4:19? ?NIV?
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NABS-L mailing list
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