[nabs-l] Accessible Music Reading and Writing Software

[Alexandra Alfonso]

What is vocaloid?

On 6/1/17, Jordan Scheffer  via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> This is such an interesting topic! I am very, very into creating music on
> the computer, and, although I don't write music on it, I do use a software
> called Vocaloid to create music. Unfortunately, I really can't describe
> what
> Vocaloid is without getting into a gigantic conversation (hahahahaha)!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Precious Perez
> via NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 1:23 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Precious Perez
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessible Music Reading and Writing Software
>
> Hello,
> This is true to an extent. Sometimes when writing the music with the
> software, things overlap visually, for example, bar lines might overlap
> each
> other, or words and notes. For final scores, sighted help is needed just to
> look them over formatting. For the most part, though, it is doable. I would
> recommend him having someone he can send his scores to when he is finished
> writing them who can just check for formatting, and it could be someone
> from
> the school or university he is getting a degree with, since it is part of
> accommodations.
>
> Precious
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 1, 2017, at 11:41 AM, Judy Jones via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hello, Precious,
>>
>> My husband, who is a musician, looked into getting Dancing Dots, along
> with
>> another program I cannot remember, as he writes music but wanted to proof
>> his scores.  The upshot, after numerous calls, and finally reaching
> someone
>> at Dancing Dots, he was told that in the final analysis, you still would
>> need sight to proof the final score produced by programs.  Is this still
>> true?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Judy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Precious
> Perez
>> via NABS-L
>> Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 10:28 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Cc: Precious Perez
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessible Music Reading and Writing Software
>>
>> There are multiple options. Dancing Dots is not the only one. I know for
>> a
>> fact that Sibelius 5 is accessible, because I use it for multiple courses
>> every semester at Berklee College of Music with JAWS.
>>
>> Precious
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 1, 2017, at 9:41 AM, amazing tech via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sibelius isn't accessible but the only real option is dancing dots
>> software and jaws.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Aaron Linson
>>> BS in Audio Production minor in communications from IU SouthEast
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Jun 1, 2017, at 10:27 AM, Precious Perez via NABS-L
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>> I am majoring in Music Ed and Performance at Berklee, and there is one
>> piece of Software we use regularly. It is called Sibelius, and it is used
>> for both reading and writing. It is accessible with Jaws and Windows 7.
>> It
>> can also work on a mac computer with a virtual machine that has Windows
>> on
>> it. It is very fast and easy to use. If your friend would like to look
> into
>> this as well or has more questions, please feel free to pass on my email
>> address. Hope this helps.
>>>>
>>>> Precious
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 1, 2017, at 7:43 AM, Sami Osborne via NABS-L
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Rilind,
>>>>>
>>>>> I noticed no one responded to your question yesterday.  I would
>>>>> suggest
>> that your friend use a program called Lime Allowed (not sure if I spelled
>> that correctly,) which is actually a program exclusively for blind
>> musicians.  It was created by a company called Dancing Dots, an
> organization
>> founded by Bill McCann, a blind trumpet player about twenty-five years
> ago.
>> His mission in creating the company was to make both reading and writing
>> music accessible to the blind.  Being a musician myself, I also know him
>> very well.  I don't have the link to download the program (Lime Allowed,
> but
>> I suggest your friend contact Bill at: info at dancingdots.com
>>>>>
>>>>> If your friend has an embosser, he can also directly transcribe print
>> music into Braille using his embosser and an application called GdField,
>> which Lime uses to create Braille music and which I also believe was
> created
>> by Dancing Dots.  Both of these programs work with Windows, and as far as
>>>>> I know don't with Apple products.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope this helps.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sami
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Rilind Dragoshi via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Date sent: Wed, 31 May 2017 18:31:47 +0000
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Music Reading and Writing Software
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello.
>>>>> I'm emailing to ask for some help for a friend who requested I find
> some
>> info.
>>>>> A friend of mine who is also blind, and uses both Voiceover and JAWS
>>>>> is
>> looking in to taking a degree in Music.  As part of his decision making
>> he
>> is trying to find out how to use music programs for writing and reading
>> music.  He's tried Finale but wasn't able to yet learn this.
>>>>> What programs, that are accessible on Windows with JAWS and NVDA, or
> mac
>> with voiceover, Android, or IOS exist that could be used for both reading
> as
>> well as writing music? Also, do you know of any guides to using the
> program
>> that would help?
>>>>> Any help is appreciated:
>>>>> Thanks:
>>>>> Rilind.
>>>>>
>>>>> P.S.  My friend is also opening to discussing with someone further,
>> mentorship, or discussion as well so if you are open to this you can also
>> message me off list if it's okay for him to contact you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 12:35:13 -0400
>>>>> From: "Kathryn Webster, NABS President" <nabs.president at gmail.com
>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Three more days to preregister for Convention, and
>>>>> save money!
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>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>
>>>>> Happy Memorial Day fellow students,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This note serves as a final reminder to preregister for National
>> convention.
>>>>> Preregistration closes on Wednesday, May 31.  The below link will
>>>>> guide
>> you
>>>>> through the process, and save you money!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am excited to see many of you in a month and a half.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Kathryn Webster
>>>>>
>>>>> President | National Association of blind Students
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>> Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 12:36:03 -0400
>>>>> From: "Kathryn Webster, NABS President" <nabs.president at gmail.com
>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Preregistration link
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>>>>>
>>>>> Link below!
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>> Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 14:02:12 -0400
>>>>> From: "Justin Williams" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com
>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reminder: Get a Sneak Peek of National
>>>>> Convention on Tonight's NABS Membership Call!
>>>>> Message-ID: <00e501d2d8a5$b3319420$1994bc60$@gmail.com
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone know when the actual convention agenda will come out?
>>>>> Justin
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris
>> Nusbaum
>>>>> via NABS-L
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 2:55 PM
>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Cc: Chris Nusbaum <cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com>; board at nabslink.org;
>>>>> nfbnet-students-list at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Get a Sneak Peek of National Convention on
>>>>> Tonight's NABS Membership Call!
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey NABS:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We hope you're having a great long Memorial Day weekend and an
>>>>> exciting
>>>>> start to your summer! For those of us in the Federation, summer means
>> more
>>>>> than sleeping in and having fun in the sun.  It also means that we can
>> look
>>>>> forward to joining our fellow Federationists at our annual "family
>>>>> reunion"-the national convention of the National Federation of the
>> Blind, to
>>>>> be held this year in Orlando July 10-15.  This convention is
>> particularly
>>>>> special for NABS, as it marks our 50th anniversary! To celebrate this
>>>>> milestone, we have a lot of awesome events-at least one during every
> day
>> of
>>>>> convention! Want a sneak peek at all the festivities? You'll get it
>> tonight
>>>>> on our May membership call!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The fun starts tonight at 7:00 PM Eastern on our NABS conference line.
>> To
>>>>> join in, call (712) 770-5197, and enter access code 265669.  We hope
>> you'll
>>>>> join us as we get pumped for our 50th anniversary celebrations!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Happy summer,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The NABS Outreach Committee
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Nusbaum, President
>>>>>
>>>>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>>>>>
>>>>> Board Member, National Association of Blind Students
>>>>>
>>>>> Phone: (443) 547-2409
>>>>>
>>>>> Email: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Twitter: @Chrisn98 and @nabslink
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future.  Every day we raise
>>>>> expectations for blind people, because low expectations create
> obstacles
>>>>> between blind people and our dreams.  You can live the life you want;
>>>>> blindness is not what holds you bak.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 4
>>>>> Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 11:16:29 -0700
>>>>> From: Cricket Bidleman <cricketbidleman at gmail.com
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reminder: Get a Sneak Peek of National
>>>>> Convention on Tonight's NABS Membership Call!
>>>>> Message-ID: <34234577-23CD-4CD2-88CC-7F4DA3CF07EC at gmail.com
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
>>>>>
>>>>> It's supposed to come out around June 1, but I'm not sure exactly
>>>>> when.
>> And remember, times are not technically set in stone until shortly before
>> the convention.  So everything is subject to change a little bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Cricket X.  Bidleman
>>>>> NCS Pearson, associate quality assurance engineer
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 29, 2017, at 11:02, Justin Williams via NABS-L
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone know when the actual convention agenda will come out?
>>>>> Justin
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris
>> Nusbaum
>>>>> via NABS-L
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 2:55 PM
>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Cc: Chris Nusbaum <cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com>; board at nabslink.org;
>>>>> nfbnet-students-list at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Get a Sneak Peek of National Convention on
>>>>> Tonight's NABS Membership Call!
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey NABS:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We hope you're having a great long Memorial Day weekend and an
>>>>> exciting
>>>>> start to your summer! For those of us in the Federation, summer means
>> more
>>>>> than sleeping in and having fun in the sun.  It also means that we can
>> look
>>>>> forward to joining our fellow Federationists at our annual "family
>>>>> reunion"-the national convention of the National Federation of the
>> Blind, to
>>>>> be held this year in Orlando July 10-15.  This convention is
>> particularly
>>>>> special for NABS, as it marks our 50th anniversary! To celebrate this
>>>>> milestone, we have a lot of awesome events-at least one during every
> day
>> of
>>>>> convention! Want a sneak peek at all the festivities? You'll get it
>> tonight
>>>>> on our May membership call!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The fun starts tonight at 7:00 PM Eastern on our NABS conference line.
>> To
>>>>> join in, call (712) 770-5197, and enter access code 265669.  We hope
>> you'll
>>>>> join us as we get pumped for our 50th anniversary celebrations!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Happy summer,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The NABS Outreach Committee
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Nusbaum, President
>>>>>
>>>>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>>>>>
>>>>> Board Member, National Association of Blind Students
>>>>>
>>>>> Phone: (443) 547-2409
>>>>>
>>>>> Email: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Twitter: @Chrisn98 and @nabslink
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future.  Every day we raise
>>>>> expectations for blind people, because low expectations create
> obstacles
>>>>> between blind people and our dreams.  You can live the life you want;
>>>>> blindness is not what holds you bak.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 5
>>>>> Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 15:44:59 -0400
>>>>> From: "Chris Nusbaum" <cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com
>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reminder: Get a Sneak Peek of National
>>>>> Convention on Tonight's NABS Membership Call!
>>>>> Message-ID: <000601d2d8b4$0f9cc190$2ed644b0$@gmail.com
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>
>>>>> Justin:
>>>>>
>>>>> Cricket is correct.  It should also be noted that the agenda is always
>> posted
>>>>> to all NFBNet listservs when it becomes available.  So, as a member of
>> this
>>>>> list, you will see it as soon as it's published.  Stay tuned!
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket
>>>>> Bidleman via NABS-L
>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 2:16 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Cc: Cricket Bidleman <cricketbidleman at gmail.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reminder: Get a Sneak Peek of National
>>>>> Convention
>> on
>>>>> Tonight's NABS Membership Call!
>>>>>
>>>>> It's supposed to come out around June 1, but I'm not sure exactly
>>>>> when.
>> And
>>>>> remember, times are not technically set in stone until shortly before
>> the
>>>>> convention.  So everything is subject to change a little bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Cricket X.  Bidleman
>>>>> NCS Pearson, associate quality assurance engineer
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 29, 2017, at 11:02, Justin Williams via NABS-L
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone know when the actual convention agenda will come out?
>>>>> Justin
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris
>>>>> Nusbaum via NABS-L
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 2:55 PM
>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Cc: Chris Nusbaum <cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com>; board at nabslink.org;
>>>>> nfbnet-students-list at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Get a Sneak Peek of National Convention on
>>>>> Tonight's NABS Membership Call!
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey NABS:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We hope you're having a great long Memorial Day weekend and an
>>>>> exciting start to your summer! For those of us in the Federation,
>>>>> summer means more than sleeping in and having fun in the sun.  It also
>>>>> means that we can look forward to joining our fellow Federationists at
>>>>> our annual "family reunion"-the national convention of the National
>>>>> Federation of the Blind, to be held this year in Orlando July 10-15.
>>>>> This convention is particularly special for NABS, as it marks our 50th
>>>>> anniversary! To celebrate this milestone, we have a lot of awesome
>>>>> events-at least one during every day of convention! Want a sneak peek
>>>>> at all the festivities? You'll get it tonight on our May membership
>> call!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The fun starts tonight at 7:00 PM Eastern on our NABS conference line.
>>>>> To join in, call (712) 770-5197, and enter access code 265669.  We
>>>>> hope
>>>>> you'll join us as we get pumped for our 50th anniversary celebrations!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Happy summer,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The NABS Outreach Committee
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Nusbaum, President
>>>>>
>>>>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>>>>>
>>>>> Board Member, National Association of Blind Students
>>>>>
>>>>> Phone: (443) 547-2409
>>>>>
>>>>> Email: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Twitter: @Chrisn98 and @nabslink
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future.  Every day we raise
>>>>> expectations for blind people, because low expectations create
>>>>> obstacles between blind people and our dreams.  You can live the life
>>>>> you want; blindness is not what holds you bak.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 6
>>>>> Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 16:09:10 -0400
>>>>> From: "Chris Nusbaum" <cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com
>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] windows azure
>>>>> Message-ID: <002b01d2d8b7$7019a7b0$504cf710$@gmail.com
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>
>>>>> Marvin:
>>>>>
>>>>> Though there doubtless are some on this list who would be able to help
>> you,
>>>>> you may find a more resourcefull knowledge base on our NFB in Computer
>>>>> Science listserv.  This can be found and subscribed to by visiting the
>>>>> following link:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org.
>> I
>>>>> hope this helps.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marvin
>> Hunkin
>>>>> via NABS-L
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 10:26 PM
>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Cc: Marvin Hunkin <startrekcafe at gmail.com
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] windows azure
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi.  a blind it student doing a diploma of software development from
>>>>> http://www.upskilled.edu.au and using jaws 18 on a Toshiba satellite
> pro
>>>>> laptop running windows 10 64 bit pro.  Now, I do have a dreamspark
>> account
>>>>> till june 6, but I need to use windows azure, and I cannot create any
>> thing
>>>>> because I don't have a credit card and a billable subscription.  My
>> school
>>>>> does not have any dreamspark or windows azure subscriptions for their
>>>>> students.  My it lectuer is looking at different options.  So has any
>> one got
>>>>> any ideas, how to proceed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Marvin from Adelaide, Australia.
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 7
>>>>> Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 16:11:30 -0400
>>>>> From: Mikayla Gephart <mikgephart at icloud.com
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] College Disability Services
>>>>> Message-ID: <97B9E735-E9D9-4A4F-B13B-B8290125044C at icloud.com
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I am a Junior in High School, and am researching different college
>> Disability Services offices.  I have been reading a lot on their sites,
> and
>> I understand that they determine whether an Accommodation is reasonable.
> I
>> am very curious about this.  I would think that DSS employees probably do
>> not have a lot of training in blindness? As long as you present good
>> documentation of your blindness and explain logically why you need an
>> accommodation, have you found that they listen to you? I just noticed
>> that
>> two out of the three websites I have been looking at say that faculty
> should
>> discuss concerns with DSS before involving the student.  This is just a
>> curiosity thing, not a question that is urgent.  I just wanted to here
>> people?s thoughts.
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Mikayla
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 8
>>>>> Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 15:21:53 -0500
>>>>> From: Joshua Hendrickson <louvins at gmail.com
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College Disability Services
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>
>>>>> <CADUoy9sRW1na4iL0Bd0SDGgFyYcf3uQ_WTf+z16Pp+a1YwFgzw at mail.gm
>>>>> ail.com
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>>>
>>>>> I can only go with my experience while in college.  I used my
>>>>> disability services to scan textbooks for me that I bought and gave
>>>>> them.  In those days I was given my textbooks on mp3 cds.  I found my
>>>>> DS office very helpful.  They bnew about screenreaders like jaws.
>>>>> There was an assistive technology room in the college library with a
>>>>> computer with jaws that I could use to help me with school
>>>>> assignments.  Good luck.  I'd also make sure you also spoke to your
>>>>> professors and let them know of any acomidations that you might need.
>>>>> I'm very surprised thatity office would go to the teachers before
>>>>> consulting the student that needed the help from them.  Have a great
>>>>> day.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/29/17, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I am a Junior in High School, and am researching different college
>>>>> Disability Services offices.  I have been reading a lot on their
>>>>> sites,
>> and I
>>>>> understand that they determine whether an Accommodation is reasonable.
>> I am
>>>>> very curious about this.  I would think that DSS employees probably do
>> not
>>>>> have a lot of training in blindness? As long as you present good
>>>>> documentation of your blindness and explain logically why you need an
>>>>> accommodation, have you found that they listen to you? I just noticed
>> that
>>>>> two out of the three websites I have been looking at say that faculty
>> should
>>>>> discuss concerns with DSS before involving the student.  This is just
>>>>> a
>>>>> curiosity thing, not a question that is urgent.  I just wanted to here
>>>>> people?s thoughts.
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Mikayla
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> NABS-L:
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>>>>> il.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Joshua Hendrickson
>>>>>
>>>>> Joshua Hendrickson
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 9
>>>>> Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 13:29:48 -0700
>>>>> From: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>>>> list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College Disability Services
>>>>> Message-ID: <592c84d5.8422620a.6700d.c8bc at mx.google.com
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=EUC-KR; format=flowed
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Mikayla,
>>>>> I go to a smaller school and applied for Disability Services
>>>>> during the summer.  In the form, I had to specify my
>>>>> accmmodations.  Some of these accommodations were originally not
>>>>> given to me, but I had a meeting with them (in the middle of the
>>>>> summer) to clarify things with them.  Since they hadn't worked
>>>>> with a totally blind student before, and understood what I needed
>>>>> them for after the meeting, they were much more willing to
>>>>> utilize most of them.  For example, they were unsure what the
>>>>> purpose of me needing an I-Phone for exams was, but when they saw
>>>>> it connects to my braillenote, they granted it.  Similarly, the
>>>>> use of talking to professors about modifying assignments which
>>>>> are too visual.
>>>>> Also, if you are clear on what you need, you could make things
>>>>> better for future blind students.  My DSS didn't know what a
>>>>> Perkins Brailler was, but when they saw the one I used (which I
>>>>> had gotten from rehab), they brought one, for myself and any
>>>>> other future blind students.
>>>>> Vejas
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Date sent: Mon, 29 May 2017 16:11:30 -0400
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] College Disability Services
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I am a Junior in High School, and am researching different
>>>>> college Disability Services offices.  I have been reading a lot
>>>>> on their sites, and I understand that they determine whether an
>>>>> Accommodation is reasonable.  I am very curious about this.  I
>>>>> would think that DSS employees probably do not have a lot of
>>>>> training in blindness? As long as you present good documentation
>>>>> of your blindness and explain logically why you need an
>>>>> accommodation, have you found that they listen to you? I just
>>>>> noticed that two out of the three websites I have been looking at
>>>>> say that faculty should discuss concerns with DSS before
>>>>> involving the student.  This is just a curiosity thing, not a
>>>>> question that is urgent.  I just wanted to here people??
>>>>> thoughts.
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Mikayla
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>>>> for NABS-L:
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>>>>> tion%40gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 10
>>>>> Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 17:12:44 -0500
>>>>> From: Ahbee Orton <ahbeeorton at yahoo.com
>>>>> To: Lizzy via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] ACT and SAT and PSAT Preparation
>>>>> Message-ID: <F46B0E89-430C-4C32-94EE-60513A5615AC at yahoo.com
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I was wondering about what y'all's scores were on the ACT, SAT, and
>> PSAT? How did you prepare for these tests as welb? I need to prepare, and
> I
>> wanted to get some advice from y'all.  I also wanted to know how well you
>> all did! Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Respectfully yours,
>>>>> Ahbee
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Love is patient, love is kind.  It does not envy, it does not boast,
> it
>> is not proud.  It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is
>> not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight
> in
>> evil but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always trusts,
> always
>> hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV???Love is patient, love is kind.  It
> does
>> not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It does not dishonor
> others,
>> it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of
>> wrongs.  Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.  It
>> always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV??
>>>>> ??1 John? ?4:19? ?NIV?
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 11
>>>>> Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 00:35:05 +0200
>>>>> From: "Zachary N.  Griego-Dreicer" <zdreicer at gmail.com
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ACT and SAT and PSAT Preparation
>>>>> Message-ID: <30C9C9C8-6046-41AE-88BD-7CB6218009D7 at gmail.com
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, at my school there was an ACT/SAT prep class, also I found
>>>>> practice
>> materials online.  Good luck studying!
>>>>>
>>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>> characteristic that defines you or your future.  Every day we raise the
>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
>> between blind people and our dreams.  You can live the life you want;
>> blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 30, 2017, at 00:12, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I was wondering about what y'all's scores were on the ACT, SAT, and
>> PSAT? How did you prepare for these tests as welb? I need to prepare, and
> I
>> wanted to get some advice from y'all.  I also wanted to know how well you
>> all did! Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Respectfully yours,
>>>>> Ahbee
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Love is patient, love is kind.  It does not envy, it does not boast,
> it
>> is not proud.  It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is
>> not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight
> in
>> evil but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always trusts,
> always
>> hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV???Love is patient, love is kind.  It
> does
>> not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It does not dishonor
> others,
>> it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of
>> wrongs.  Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.  It
>> always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV??
>>>>> ??1 John? ?4:19? ?NIV?
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NABS-L mailing list
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 12
>>>>> Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 16:07:13 -0700
>>>>> From: "Cricket X.  Bidleman" <cricketbidleman at gmail.com
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ACT and SAT and PSAT Preparation
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>
>>>>> <CABP7S8Ou_mK6Y96KLVTnEfBbbxE7uoUqvC2N07cWSzixRxmKqg at mail.gm
>>>>> ail.com
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ahbee,
>>>>>
>>>>> Larger schools will typically have prep classes.  There are apps that
>>>>> you can get for your phone, but the math questions are generally not
>>>>> accessible.  You can use the "free rice" website, which I love.  They
>>>>> have an SAT prep category.  There are, of course, online prep
>>>>> materials.  There are also books on bookshare and prep books that you
>>>>> should be able to get in hard copy Braille.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also want to remind you that getting into college is certainly not
>>>>> all about test scores.  If it was, I owd not have gotten into Stanford
>>>>> or anywhere else to be perfectly honest.  My SAT scores were
>>>>> absolutely
>>>>> terrible, and I haven't passed many AP exams either.  So while I
>>>>> certainly advocate studying up for those tests, don't think that a bad
>>>>> score or two is the end all of end alls.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, I really do think it's important to take each test that you're
>>>>> planning to take twice.  The first time, it's just a good idea to get
>>>>> a
>>>>> feel for the test layout, types of questions, etc.  When I retook the
>>>>> SAT, I did much better (though still not nearly as well as I would
>>>>> have liked) on it, and even though I had to pay for my second test, I
>>>>> thought it was worth it.  I also want to just take a quick minute to
>>>>> remind you that you will likely not be testing with all the other
>>>>> students.  Instead, it will probably be proctored for you individually
>>>>> at school, during a school day so that you receive your testing
>>>>> accommodations, as prescribed by the College Board accommodations
>>>>> letter you should have already gotten.  Hope this helps!
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Cricket X.  Bidleman
>>>>> NCS Pearson, Associate Quality Assurance Engineer
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/29/17, Zachary N.  Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi, at my school there was an ACT/SAT prep class, also I found
>>>>> practice
>>>>> materials online.  Good luck studying!
>>>>>
>>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future.  Every day we raise
>>>>> the
>>>>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create
>>>>> obstacles
>>>>> between blind people and our dreams.  You can live the life you want;
>>>>> blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 30, 2017, at 00:12, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I was wondering about what y'all's scores were on the ACT, SAT, and
>> PSAT?
>>>>> How did you prepare for these tests as welb? I need to prepare, and I
>>>>> wanted to get some advice from y'all.  I also wanted to know how well
>> you
>>>>> all did! Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Respectfully yours,
>>>>> Ahbee
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Love is patient, love is kind.  It does not envy, it does not boast,
> it
>> is
>>>>> not proud.  It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is
>> not
>>>>> easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight
>>>>> in
>>>>> evil but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always trusts,
>>>>> always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV???Love is patient, love is kind.  It
> does
>>>>> not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It does not dishonor
>> others,
>>>>> it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record
>>>>> of
>>>>> wrongs.  Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
>>>>> It
>>>>> always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV??
>>>>> ??1 John? ?4:19? ?NIV?
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> NABS-L:
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>>>>> ail.com
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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>>>>> an%40gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 13
>>>>> Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 19:09:03 -0400
>>>>> From: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>>>> list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College Disability Services
>>>>> Message-ID: <592caa2e.10a3810a.70b9f.47d7 at mx.google.com
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=EUC-KR; format=flowed
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Mikayla,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think this varies by school, but at the ones I've attended,
>>>>> there is a standard list of accommodations, and you just tell
>>>>> them which one's you need.  Beyond proving that you had a
>>>>> disability, you didn't have to do anything to show that you
>>>>> needed a particular accommodation, but it might be different if
>>>>> you wanted something strange like more than the standard amount
>>>>> of extended test time or something.  I'm not sure what the thing
>>>>> about instructors going to the office rather than the student is,
>>>>> but since you don't have to disclose what disability you have
>>>>> that makes you need an accommodation, maybe it's designed to
>>>>> protect people (especially those with invisible disabilities)
>>>>> from awkward questions from professors.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Karl
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Date sent: Mon, 29 May 2017 16:11:30 -0400
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] College Disability Services
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I am a Junior in High School, and am researching different
>>>>> college Disability Services offices.  I have been reading a lot on
>>>>> their sites, and I understand that they determine whether an
>>>>> Accommodation is reasonable.  I am very curious about this.  I
>>>>> would think that DSS employees probably do not have a lot of
>>>>> training in blindness? As long as you present good documentation
>>>>> of your blindness and explain logically why you need an
>>>>> accommodation, have you found that they listen to you? I just
>>>>> noticed that two out of the three websites I have been looking at
>>>>> say that faculty should discuss concerns with DSS before
>>>>> involving the student.  This is just a curiosity thing, not a
>>>>> question that is urgent.  I just wanted to here people??
>>>>> thoughts.
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Mikayla
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>>>> for NABS-L:
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma
>>>>> il.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 14
>>>>> Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 19:31:31 -0400
>>>>> From: Taylor Arndt <taylorarndt99 at gmail.com
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ACT and SAT and PSAT Preparation
>>>>> Message-ID: <50690889-FECC-484D-B0CB-C3F44FE4BFB3 at gmail.com
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I took an SAT prep course that was not offered at my school it was
> a
>> little bit expensive but if you are interested I will give you the
> details.
>> The course I took in the company they were the best company and they
> really
>> care about visually impaired persons.  They gave me all the materials in
>> accessible format.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 29, 2017, at 7:07 PM, Cricket X.  Bidleman via NABS-L
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ahbee,
>>>>>
>>>>> Larger schools will typically have prep classes.  There are apps that
>>>>> you can get for your phone, but the math questions are generally not
>>>>> accessible.  You can use the "free rice" website, which I love.  They
>>>>> have an SAT prep category.  There are, of course, online prep
>>>>> materials.  There are also books on bookshare and prep books that you
>>>>> should be able to get in hard copy Braille.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also want to remind you that getting into college is certainly not
>>>>> all about test scores.  If it was, I owd not have gotten into Stanford
>>>>> or anywhere else to be perfectly honest.  My SAT scores were
>>>>> absolutely
>>>>> terrible, and I haven't passed many AP exams either.  So while I
>>>>> certainly advocate studying up for those tests, don't think that a bad
>>>>> score or two is the end all of end alls.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, I really do think it's important to take each test that you're
>>>>> planning to take twice.  The first time, it's just a good idea to get
>>>>> a
>>>>> feel for the test layout, types of questions, etc.  When I retook the
>>>>> SAT, I did much better (though still not nearly as well as I would
>>>>> have liked) on it, and even though I had to pay for my second test, I
>>>>> thought it was worth it.  I also want to just take a quick minute to
>>>>> remind you that you will likely not be testing with all the other
>>>>> students.  Instead, it will probably be proctored for you individually
>>>>> at school, during a school day so that you receive your testing
>>>>> accommodations, as prescribed by the College Board accommodations
>>>>> letter you should have already gotten.  Hope this helps!
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Cricket X.  Bidleman
>>>>> NCS Pearson, Associate Quality Assurance Engineer
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/29/17, Zachary N.  Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi, at my school there was an ACT/SAT prep class, also I found
>>>>> practice
>>>>> materials online.  Good luck studying!
>>>>>
>>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future.  Every day we raise
>>>>> the
>>>>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create
>>>>> obstacles
>>>>> between blind people and our dreams.  You can live the life you want;
>>>>> blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 30, 2017, at 00:12, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I was wondering about what y'all's scores were on the ACT, SAT, and
>> PSAT?
>>>>> How did you prepare for these tests as welb? I need to prepare, and I
>>>>> wanted to get some advice from y'all.  I also wanted to know how well
>> you
>>>>> all did! Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Respectfully yours,
>>>>> Ahbee
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Love is patient, love is kind.  It does not envy, it does not boast,
> it
>> is
>>>>> not proud.  It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is
>> not
>>>>> easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight
>>>>> in
>>>>> evil but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always trusts,
>>>>> always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV???Love is patient, love is kind.  It
> does
>>>>> not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It does not dishonor
>> others,
>>>>> it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record
>>>>> of
>>>>> wrongs.  Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
>>>>> It
>>>>> always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV??
>>>>> ??1 John? ?4:19? ?NIV?
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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>>>>> NABS-L:
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>>>>> ail.com
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NABS-L mailing list
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>>>>> an%40gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 15
>>>>> Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 18:44:47 -0500
>>>>> From: Ahbee Orton <ahbeeorton at yahoo.com
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ACT and SAT and PSAT Preparation
>>>>> Message-ID: <19413117-5F19-46DE-A228-F4B95520779A at yahoo.com
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, please.  I'd like the details.  I'd also like, those people who
> are
>> comfortable telling me, to know your scores on your tests.
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Love is patient, love is kind.  It does not envy, it does not boast,
> it
>> is not proud.  It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is
>> not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight
> in
>> evil but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always trusts,
> always
>> hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV???Love is patient, love is kind.  It
> does
>> not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It does not dishonor
> others,
>> it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of
>> wrongs.  Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.  It
>> always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV??
>>>>> ??1 John? ?4:19? ?NIV?
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 29, 2017, at 6:31 PM, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I took an SAT prep course that was not offered at my school it was
> a
>> little bit expensive but if you are interested I will give you the
> details.
>> The course I took in the company they were the best company and they
> really
>> care about visually impaired persons.  They gave me all the materials in
>> accessible format.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 29, 2017, at 7:07 PM, Cricket X.  Bidleman via NABS-L
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ahbee,
>>>>>
>>>>> Larger schools will typically have prep classes.  There are apps that
>>>>> you can get for your phone, but the math questions are generally not
>>>>> accessible.  You can use the "free rice" website, which I love.  They
>>>>> have an SAT prep category.  There are, of course, online prep
>>>>> materials.  There are also books on bookshare and prep books that you
>>>>> should be able to get in hard copy Braille.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also want to remind you that getting into college is certainly not
>>>>> all about test scores.  If it was, I owd not have gotten into Stanford
>>>>> or anywhere else to be perfectly honest.  My SAT scores were
>>>>> absolutely
>>>>> terrible, and I haven't passed many AP exams either.  So while I
>>>>> certainly advocate studying up for those tests, don't think that a bad
>>>>> score or two is the end all of end alls.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, I really do think it's important to take each test that you're
>>>>> planning to take twice.  The first time, it's just a good idea to get
>>>>> a
>>>>> feel for the test layout, types of questions, etc.  When I retook the
>>>>> SAT, I did much better (though still not nearly as well as I would
>>>>> have liked) on it, and even though I had to pay for my second test, I
>>>>> thought it was worth it.  I also want to just take a quick minute to
>>>>> remind you that you will likely not be testing with all the other
>>>>> students.  Instead, it will probably be proctored for you individually
>>>>> at school, during a school day so that you receive your testing
>>>>> accommodations, as prescribed by the College Board accommodations
>>>>> letter you should have already gotten.  Hope this helps!
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Cricket X.  Bidleman
>>>>> NCS Pearson, Associate Quality Assurance Engineer
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/29/17, Zachary N.  Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi, at my school there was an ACT/SAT prep class, also I found
>>>>> practice
>>>>> materials online.  Good luck studying!
>>>>>
>>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future.  Every day we raise
>>>>> the
>>>>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create
>>>>> obstacles
>>>>> between blind people and our dreams.  You can live the life you want;
>>>>> blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 30, 2017, at 00:12, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I was wondering about what y'all's scores were on the ACT, SAT, and
>> PSAT?
>>>>> How did you prepare for these tests as welb? I need to prepare, and I
>>>>> wanted to get some advice from y'all.  I also wanted to know how well
>> you
>>>>> all did! Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Respectfully yours,
>>>>> Ahbee
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Love is patient, love is kind.  It does not envy, it does not boast,
> it
>> is
>>>>> not proud.  It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is
>> not
>>>>> easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight
>>>>> in
>>>>> evil but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always trusts,
>>>>> always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV???Love is patient, love is kind.  It
> does
>>>>> not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It does not dishonor
>> others,
>>>>> it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record
>>>>> of
>>>>> wrongs.  Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
>>>>> It
>>>>> always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV??
>>>>> ??1 John? ?4:19? ?NIV?
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>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 16
>>>>> Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 17:33:16 -0700
>>>>> From: Miso Kwak <misokwak12 at gmail.com
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ACT and SAT and PSAT Preparation
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>
>>>>> <CAMe9x_En=4ys3yhTNrpBSky4hr3xqD2f1S06OaCWxgmN2wfQvQ at mail.gm
>>>>> ail.com
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ahbee,
>>>>> Please keep in mind that I applied for Fall 2013 admission so I am I
>>>>> guess getting a bit old for this college admission game...
>>>>> I did take both the SAT and ACT and did self-study for the most part.
>>>>> I've only gotten a few sessions of writing tutor and math tutor.
>>>>>
>>>>> I scored 1950/2400 (back then the SAT was on 2400) and 32/36 on the
>>>>> ACT.  I took SAT subject tests for world history, chemistry, and U.S.
>>>>> history but I honestly don't remember those scores.  None of them were
>>>>> 800 though.  Probably somewhere between 650-750.  I ended up attending
>>>>> UCLA.
>>>>> I am disclosing my scores publicly because well those scores don't
>>>>> mean much anymore at this point as a college senior...  and also to
>>>>> share that test scores are not everything as Cricket mentioned.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is natural for you to feel anxious about college admission process
>>>>> and taking these tests but in the end colleges are reviewing each
>>>>> student holistically so they definitely want more than perfect high
>>>>> school GPA and SAT/ACT scores.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Miso
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/29/17, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Yes, please.  I'd like the details.  I'd also like, those people who
> are
>>>>> comfortable telling me, to know your scores on your tests.
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Love is patient, love is kind.  It does not envy, it does not boast,
> it
>> is
>>>>> not proud.  It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is
>> not
>>>>> easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight
>>>>> in
>> evil
>>>>> but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always trusts,
>>>>> always
>>>>> hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV???Love is patient, love is kind.  It
> does
>> not
>>>>> envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It does not dishonor
>>>>> others,
>> it is
>>>>> not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of
>> wrongs.
>>>>> Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.  It always
>>>>> protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV??
>>>>> ??1 John? ?4:19? ?NIV?
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 29, 2017, at 6:31 PM, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I took an SAT prep course that was not offered at my school it was
> a
>>>>> little bit expensive but if you are interested I will give you the
>>>>> details.  The course I took in the company they were the best company
>> and
>>>>> they really care about visually impaired persons.  They gave me all
>>>>> the
>>>>> materials in accessible format.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 29, 2017, at 7:07 PM, Cricket X.  Bidleman via NABS-L
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ahbee,
>>>>>
>>>>> Larger schools will typically have prep classes.  There are apps that
>>>>> you can get for your phone, but the math questions are generally not
>>>>> accessible.  You can use the "free rice" website, which I love.  They
>>>>> have an SAT prep category.  There are, of course, online prep
>>>>> materials.  There are also books on bookshare and prep books that you
>>>>> should be able to get in hard copy Braille.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also want to remind you that getting into college is certainly not
>>>>> all about test scores.  If it was, I owd not have gotten into Stanford
>>>>> or anywhere else to be perfectly honest.  My SAT scores were
>>>>> absolutely
>>>>> terrible, and I haven't passed many AP exams either.  So while I
>>>>> certainly advocate studying up for those tests, don't think that a bad
>>>>> score or two is the end all of end alls.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, I really do think it's important to take each test that you're
>>>>> planning to take twice.  The first time, it's just a good idea to get
>>>>> a
>>>>> feel for the test layout, types of questions, etc.  When I retook the
>>>>> SAT, I did much better (though still not nearly as well as I would
>>>>> have liked) on it, and even though I had to pay for my second test, I
>>>>> thought it was worth it.  I also want to just take a quick minute to
>>>>> remind you that you will likely not be testing with all the other
>>>>> students.  Instead, it will probably be proctored for you individually
>>>>> at school, during a school day so that you receive your testing
>>>>> accommodations, as prescribed by the College Board accommodations
>>>>> letter you should have already gotten.  Hope this helps!
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Cricket X.  Bidleman
>>>>> NCS Pearson, Associate Quality Assurance Engineer
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/29/17, Zachary N.  Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi, at my school there was an ACT/SAT prep class, also I found
>>>>> practice
>>>>> materials online.  Good luck studying!
>>>>>
>>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future.  Every day we raise
>>>>> the
>>>>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create
>>>>> obstacles
>>>>> between blind people and our dreams.  You can live the life you want;
>>>>> blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 30, 2017, at 00:12, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I was wondering about what y'all's scores were on the ACT, SAT, and
>>>>> PSAT?
>>>>> How did you prepare for these tests as welb? I need to prepare, and I
>>>>> wanted to get some advice from y'all.  I also wanted to know how well
>>>>> you
>>>>> all did! Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Respectfully yours,
>>>>> Ahbee
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Love is patient, love is kind.  It does not envy, it does not boast,
> it
>>>>> is
>>>>> not proud.  It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is
>>>>> not
>>>>> easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight
>>>>> in
>>>>> evil but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always trusts,
>>>>> always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV???Love is patient, love is kind.  It
> does
>>>>> not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It does not dishonor
>>>>> others,
>>>>> it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record
>>>>> of
>>>>> wrongs.  Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
>>>>> It
>>>>> always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV??
>>>>> ??1 John? ?4:19? ?NIV?
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>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Miso Kwak
>>>>> University of California, Los Angeles | 2017
>>>>> Psychology B.A.  | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
>>>>> (909) 660-1897
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 17
>>>>> Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 20:45:51 -0400
>>>>> From: Taylor Arndt <taylorarndt99 at gmail.com
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ACT and SAT and PSAT Preparation
>>>>> Message-ID: <0318CA59-FFFD-4A02-8254-F54372EF8574 at gmail.com
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
>>>>>
>>>>> OK here we go The company is Veritas Prep and I really like their
> course
>> because like I said I got accessible materials they have both test prep
> act
>> and SAT The price is about $695 for a five week course which includes
>> also
>> office hours after class to clarify content I know this may be beyond
>> some
>> people's financial budget, but I got my department a vocational
>> rehabilitation to pay for this.  Do not if you do anything go with
>> Kaplan,
>> Princeton review,  They do not care about accessibility, and will not
>> give
>> you things in accessible material.  So a free trial class that you may
>> try
>> if you type in it in Google search.  They also use adobe    connect, and
> for
>> screen reader users I would recommend using Microsoft edge and windows 10
> or
>> Internet explore this works best with the  client.  Also, I had read a
>> Pearson as an instructor, and Jeffrey as an instructor.  Also I'm not
> afraid
>> to show my scores because I'm very proud of them.  Without this course, I
>> would not of been able to get the score that I got.  The first time I
>> took
>> the test I got a 610, and when I got my results back this year I took it
>> again and got an 850.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 29, 2017, at 8:33 PM, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ahbee,
>>>>> Please keep in mind that I applied for Fall 2013 admission so I am I
>>>>> guess getting a bit old for this college admission game...
>>>>> I did take both the SAT and ACT and did self-study for the most part.
>>>>> I've only gotten a few sessions of writing tutor and math tutor.
>>>>>
>>>>> I scored 1950/2400 (back then the SAT was on 2400) and 32/36 on the
>>>>> ACT.  I took SAT subject tests for world history, chemistry, and U.S.
>>>>> history but I honestly don't remember those scores.  None of them were
>>>>> 800 though.  Probably somewhere between 650-750.  I ended up attending
>>>>> UCLA.
>>>>> I am disclosing my scores publicly because well those scores don't
>>>>> mean much anymore at this point as a college senior...  and also to
>>>>> share that test scores are not everything as Cricket mentioned.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is natural for you to feel anxious about college admission process
>>>>> and taking these tests but in the end colleges are reviewing each
>>>>> student holistically so they definitely want more than perfect high
>>>>> school GPA and SAT/ACT scores.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Miso
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/29/17, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Yes, please.  I'd like the details.  I'd also like, those people who
> are
>>>>> comfortable telling me, to know your scores on your tests.
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Love is patient, love is kind.  It does not envy, it does not boast,
> it
>> is
>>>>> not proud.  It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is
>> not
>>>>> easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight
>>>>> in
>> evil
>>>>> but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always trusts,
>>>>> always
>>>>> hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV???Love is patient, love is kind.  It
> does
>> not
>>>>> envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It does not dishonor
>>>>> others,
>> it is
>>>>> not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of
>> wrongs.
>>>>> Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.  It always
>>>>> protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV??
>>>>> ??1 John? ?4:19? ?NIV?
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 29, 2017, at 6:31 PM, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I took an SAT prep course that was not offered at my school it was
> a
>>>>> little bit expensive but if you are interested I will give you the
>>>>> details.  The course I took in the company they were the best company
>> and
>>>>> they really care about visually impaired persons.  They gave me all
>>>>> the
>>>>> materials in accessible format.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 29, 2017, at 7:07 PM, Cricket X.  Bidleman via NABS-L
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ahbee,
>>>>>
>>>>> Larger schools will typically have prep classes.  There are apps that
>>>>> you can get for your phone, but the math questions are generally not
>>>>> accessible.  You can use the "free rice" website, which I love.  They
>>>>> have an SAT prep category.  There are, of course, online prep
>>>>> materials.  There are also books on bookshare and prep books that you
>>>>> should be able to get in hard copy Braille.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also want to remind you that getting into college is certainly not
>>>>> all about test scores.  If it was, I owd not have gotten into Stanford
>>>>> or anywhere else to be perfectly honest.  My SAT scores were
>>>>> absolutely
>>>>> terrible, and I haven't passed many AP exams either.  So while I
>>>>> certainly advocate studying up for those tests, don't think that a bad
>>>>> score or two is the end all of end alls.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, I really do think it's important to take each test that you're
>>>>> planning to take twice.  The first time, it's just a good idea to get
>>>>> a
>>>>> feel for the test layout, types of questions, etc.  When I retook the
>>>>> SAT, I did much better (though still not nearly as well as I would
>>>>> have liked) on it, and even though I had to pay for my second test, I
>>>>> thought it was worth it.  I also want to just take a quick minute to
>>>>> remind you that you will likely not be testing with all the other
>>>>> students.  Instead, it will probably be proctored for you individually
>>>>> at school, during a school day so that you receive your testing
>>>>> accommodations, as prescribed by the College Board accommodations
>>>>> letter you should have already gotten.  Hope this helps!
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Cricket X.  Bidleman
>>>>> NCS Pearson, Associate Quality Assurance Engineer
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/29/17, Zachary N.  Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi, at my school there was an ACT/SAT prep class, also I found
>>>>> practice
>>>>> materials online.  Good luck studying!
>>>>>
>>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future.  Every day we raise
>>>>> the
>>>>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create
>>>>> obstacles
>>>>> between blind people and our dreams.  You can live the life you want;
>>>>> blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 30, 2017, at 00:12, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I was wondering about what y'all's scores were on the ACT, SAT, and
>>>>> PSAT?
>>>>> How did you prepare for these tests as welb? I need to prepare, and I
>>>>> wanted to get some advice from y'all.  I also wanted to know how well
>>>>> you
>>>>> all did! Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Respectfully yours,
>>>>> Ahbee
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Love is patient, love is kind.  It does not envy, it does not boast,
> it
>>>>> is
>>>>> not proud.  It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is
>>>>> not
>>>>> easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight
>>>>> in
>>>>> evil but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always trusts,
>>>>> always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV???Love is patient, love is kind.  It
> does
>>>>> not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It does not dishonor
>>>>> others,
>>>>> it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record
>>>>> of
>>>>> wrongs.  Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
>>>>> It
>>>>> always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV??
>>>>> ??1 John? ?4:19? ?NIV?
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NABS-L mailing list
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>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 18
>>>>> Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 20:49:18 -0400
>>>>> From: Alexandra Alfonso <alliefa1999 at gmail.com
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ACT and SAT and PSAT Preparation
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>
>>>>> <CAO84cXo5=7RV=eOu86A-h9_7ap7Pdqw6++H3jtye_Z0nGcKCiA at mail.gm
>>>>> ail.com
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ahbee,
>>>>> I've taken  the SAT once and I got a 1130.  I am going to take it
>>>>> twice
>>>>> more.  I I went to a prep class outside of school.  Also, I did a prep
>>>>> class in school and I had tutoring outside of school.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/29/17, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Ahbee,
>>>>> Please keep in mind that I applied for Fall 2013 admission so I am I
>>>>> guess getting a bit old for this college admission game...
>>>>> I did take both the SAT and ACT and did self-study for the most part.
>>>>> I've only gotten a few sessions of writing tutor and math tutor.
>>>>>
>>>>> I scored 1950/2400 (back then the SAT was on 2400) and 32/36 on the
>>>>> ACT.  I took SAT subject tests for world history, chemistry, and U.S.
>>>>> history but I honestly don't remember those scores.  None of them were
>>>>> 800 though.  Probably somewhere between 650-750.  I ended up attending
>>>>> UCLA.
>>>>> I am disclosing my scores publicly because well those scores don't
>>>>> mean much anymore at this point as a college senior...  and also to
>>>>> share that test scores are not everything as Cricket mentioned.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is natural for you to feel anxious about college admission process
>>>>> and taking these tests but in the end colleges are reviewing each
>>>>> student holistically so they definitely want more than perfect high
>>>>> school GPA and SAT/ACT scores.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Miso
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/29/17, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Yes, please.  I'd like the details.  I'd also like, those people who
> are
>>>>> comfortable telling me, to know your scores on your tests.
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Love is patient, love is kind.  It does not envy, it does not boast,
> it
>> is
>>>>> not proud.  It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is
>> not
>>>>> easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight
>>>>> in
>>>>> evil
>>>>> but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always trusts,
>>>>> always
>>>>> hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV???Love is patient, love is kind.  It
> does
>>>>> not
>>>>> envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It does not dishonor
>>>>> others,
>> it
>>>>> is
>>>>> not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of
>> wrongs.
>>>>> Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.  It always
>>>>> protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV??
>>>>> ??1 John? ?4:19? ?NIV?
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 29, 2017, at 6:31 PM, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I took an SAT prep course that was not offered at my school it was
> a
>>>>> little bit expensive but if you are interested I will give you the
>>>>> details.  The course I took in the company they were the best company
>> and
>>>>> they really care about visually impaired persons.  They gave me all
>>>>> the
>>>>> materials in accessible format.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 29, 2017, at 7:07 PM, Cricket X.  Bidleman via NABS-L
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ahbee,
>>>>>
>>>>> Larger schools will typically have prep classes.  There are apps that
>>>>> you can get for your phone, but the math questions are generally not
>>>>> accessible.  You can use the "free rice" website, which I love.  They
>>>>> have an SAT prep category.  There are, of course, online prep
>>>>> materials.  There are also books on bookshare and prep books that you
>>>>> should be able to get in hard copy Braille.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also want to remind you that getting into college is certainly not
>>>>> all about test scores.  If it was, I owd not have gotten into Stanford
>>>>> or anywhere else to be perfectly honest.  My SAT scores were
>>>>> absolutely
>>>>> terrible, and I haven't passed many AP exams either.  So while I
>>>>> certainly advocate studying up for those tests, don't think that a bad
>>>>> score or two is the end all of end alls.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, I really do think it's important to take each test that you're
>>>>> planning to take twice.  The first time, it's just a good idea to get
>>>>> a
>>>>> feel for the test layout, types of questions, etc.  When I retook the
>>>>> SAT, I did much better (though still not nearly as well as I would
>>>>> have liked) on it, and even though I had to pay for my second test, I
>>>>> thought it was worth it.  I also want to just take a quick minute to
>>>>> remind you that you will likely not be testing with all the other
>>>>> students.  Instead, it will probably be proctored for you individually
>>>>> at school, during a school day so that you receive your testing
>>>>> accommodations, as prescribed by the College Board accommodations
>>>>> letter you should have already gotten.  Hope this helps!
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Cricket X.  Bidleman
>>>>> NCS Pearson, Associate Quality Assurance Engineer
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/29/17, Zachary N.  Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi, at my school there was an ACT/SAT prep class, also I found
>>>>> practice
>>>>> materials online.  Good luck studying!
>>>>>
>>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future.  Every day we raise
>>>>> the
>>>>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create
>>>>> obstacles
>>>>> between blind people and our dreams.  You can live the life you want;
>>>>> blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 30, 2017, at 00:12, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I was wondering about what y'all's scores were on the ACT, SAT, and
>>>>> PSAT?
>>>>> How did you prepare for these tests as welb? I need to prepare, and I
>>>>> wanted to get some advice from y'all.  I also wanted to know how well
>>>>> you
>>>>> all did! Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Respectfully yours,
>>>>> Ahbee
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Love is patient, love is kind.  It does not envy, it does not boast,
>>>>> it
>>>>> is
>>>>> not proud.  It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is
>>>>> not
>>>>> easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight
>>>>> in
>>>>> evil but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always trusts,
>>>>> always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV???Love is patient, love is kind.  It
>>>>> does
>>>>> not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It does not dishonor
>>>>> others,
>>>>> it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record
>>>>> of
>>>>> wrongs.  Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
>>>>> It
>>>>> always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV??
>>>>> ??1 John? ?4:19? ?NIV?
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>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Miso Kwak
>>>>> University of California, Los Angeles | 2017
>>>>> Psychology B.A.  | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
>>>>> (909) 660-1897
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 19
>>>>> Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 00:28:25 -0400
>>>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ACT and SAT and PSAT Preparation
>>>>> Message-ID: <1382E5C5C5FD40AAA522284C0C935DAC at OwnerPC
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8";
>>>>> reply-type=original
>>>>>
>>>>> Taylor,
>>>>> Interesting; I have not heard of a company being real accomodating
>> before.
>>>>> Was your course online? What format was it and what software was used?
>> Adobe
>>>>> connect is a common meeting platform but is only semi accessible to
>> screen
>>>>> readers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Taylor Arndt via NABS-L
>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 8:45 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Cc: Taylor Arndt
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ACT and SAT and PSAT Preparation
>>>>>
>>>>> OK here we go The company is Veritas Prep and I really like their
> course
>>>>> because like I said I got accessible materials they have both test
>>>>> prep
>> act
>>>>> and SAT The price is about $695 for a five week course which includes
>> also
>>>>> office hours after class to clarify content I know this may be beyond
>> some
>>>>> people's financial budget, but I got my department a vocational
>>>>> rehabilitation to pay for this.  Do not if you do anything go with
>> Kaplan,
>>>>> Princeton review,  They do not care about accessibility, and will not
>> give
>>>>> you things in accessible material.  So a free trial class that you may
>> try if
>>>>> you type in it in Google search.  They also use adobe    connect, and
>> for
>>>>> screen reader users I would recommend using Microsoft edge and windows
>> 10 or
>>>>> Internet explore this works best with the  client.  Also, I had read a
>>>>> Pearson as an instructor, and Jeffrey as an instructor.  Also I'm not
>> afraid
>>>>> to show my scores because I'm very proud of them.  Without this
>>>>> course,
>> I
>>>>> would not of been able to get the score that I got.  The first time I
>> took
>>>>> the test I got a 610, and when I got my results back this year I took
> it
>>>>> again and got an 850.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 29, 2017, at 8:33 PM, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ahbee,
>>>>> Please keep in mind that I applied for Fall 2013 admission so I am I
>>>>> guess getting a bit old for this college admission game...
>>>>> I did take both the SAT and ACT and did self-study for the most part.
>>>>> I've only gotten a few sessions of writing tutor and math tutor.
>>>>>
>>>>> I scored 1950/2400 (back then the SAT was on 2400) and 32/36 on the
>>>>> ACT.  I took SAT subject tests for world history, chemistry, and U.S.
>>>>> history but I honestly don't remember those scores.  None of them were
>>>>> 800 though.  Probably somewhere between 650-750.  I ended up attending
>>>>> UCLA.
>>>>> I am disclosing my scores publicly because well those scores don't
>>>>> mean much anymore at this point as a college senior...  and also to
>>>>> share that test scores are not everything as Cricket mentioned.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is natural for you to feel anxious about college admission process
>>>>> and taking these tests but in the end colleges are reviewing each
>>>>> student holistically so they definitely want more than perfect high
>>>>> school GPA and SAT/ACT scores.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Miso
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/29/17, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Yes, please.  I'd like the details.  I'd also like, those people who
> are
>>>>> comfortable telling me, to know your scores on your tests.
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Love is patient, love is kind.  It does not envy, it does not boast,
> it
>>>>> is
>>>>> not proud.  It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is
>> not
>>>>> easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight
>>>>> in
>>>>> evil
>>>>> but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always trusts,
>>>>> always
>>>>> hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV???Love is patient, love is kind.  It
> does
>>>>> not
>>>>> envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It does not dishonor
>>>>> others,
>> it
>>>>> is
>>>>> not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of
>> wrongs.
>>>>> Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.  It always
>>>>> protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV??
>>>>> ??1 John? ?4:19? ?NIV?
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 29, 2017, at 6:31 PM, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I took an SAT prep course that was not offered at my school it was
> a
>>>>> little bit expensive but if you are interested I will give you the
>>>>> details.  The course I took in the company they were the best company
>> and
>>>>> they really care about visually impaired persons.  They gave me all
>>>>> the
>>>>> materials in accessible format.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 29, 2017, at 7:07 PM, Cricket X.  Bidleman via NABS-L
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ahbee,
>>>>>
>>>>> Larger schools will typically have prep classes.  There are apps that
>>>>> you can get for your phone, but the math questions are generally not
>>>>> accessible.  You can use the "free rice" website, which I love.  They
>>>>> have an SAT prep category.  There are, of course, online prep
>>>>> materials.  There are also books on bookshare and prep books that you
>>>>> should be able to get in hard copy Braille.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also want to remind you that getting into college is certainly not
>>>>> all about test scores.  If it was, I owd not have gotten into Stanford
>>>>> or anywhere else to be perfectly honest.  My SAT scores were
>>>>> absolutely
>>>>> terrible, and I haven't passed many AP exams either.  So while I
>>>>> certainly advocate studying up for those tests, don't think that a bad
>>>>> score or two is the end all of end alls.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, I really do think it's important to take each test that you're
>>>>> planning to take twice.  The first time, it's just a good idea to get
>>>>> a
>>>>> feel for the test layout, types of questions, etc.  When I retook the
>>>>> SAT, I did much better (though still not nearly as well as I would
>>>>> have liked) on it, and even though I had to pay for my second test, I
>>>>> thought it was worth it.  I also want to just take a quick minute to
>>>>> remind you that you will likely not be testing with all the other
>>>>> students.  Instead, it will probably be proctored for you individually
>>>>> at school, during a school day so that you receive your testing
>>>>> accommodations, as prescribed by the College Board accommodations
>>>>> letter you should have already gotten.  Hope this helps!
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Cricket X.  Bidleman
>>>>> NCS Pearson, Associate Quality Assurance Engineer
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/29/17, Zachary N.  Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi, at my school there was an ACT/SAT prep class, also I found
>>>>> practice
>>>>> materials online.  Good luck studying!
>>>>>
>>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future.  Every day we raise
>>>>> the
>>>>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create
>>>>> obstacles
>>>>> between blind people and our dreams.  You can live the life you want;
>>>>> blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 30, 2017, at 00:12, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I was wondering about what y'all's scores were on the ACT, SAT, and
>>>>> PSAT?
>>>>> How did you prepare for these tests as welb? I need to prepare, and I
>>>>> wanted to get some advice from y'all.  I also wanted to know how well
>>>>> you
>>>>> all did! Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Respectfully yours,
>>>>> Ahbee
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Love is patient, love is kind.  It does not envy, it does not boast,
>>>>> it
>>>>> is
>>>>> not proud.  It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is
>>>>> not
>>>>> easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight
>>>>> in
>>>>> evil but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always trusts,
>>>>> always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV???Love is patient, love is kind.  It
>>>>> does
>>>>> not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It does not dishonor
>>>>> others,
>>>>> it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record
>>>>> of
>>>>> wrongs.  Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
>>>>> It
>>>>> always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV??
>>>>> ??1 John? ?4:19? ?NIV?
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Miso Kwak
>>>>> University of California, Los Angeles | 2017
>>>>> Psychology B.A.  | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
>>>>> (909) 660-1897
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 20
>>>>> Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 07:10:01 -0400
>>>>> From: Taylor Arndt <taylorarndt99 at gmail.com
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ACT and SAT and PSAT Preparation
>>>>> Message-ID: <838AB71D-BCD6-4457-80C7-1ABCB918DA3C at gmail.com
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
>>>>>
>>>>> Online and NAvdA
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 30, 2017, at 12:28 AM, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Taylor,
>>>>> Interesting; I have not heard of a company being real accomodating
>> before.
>>>>> Was your course online? What format was it and what software was used?
>> Adobe connect is a common meeting platform but is only semi accessible to
>> screen readers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Taylor Arndt via NABS-L
>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 8:45 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Cc: Taylor Arndt
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ACT and SAT and PSAT Preparation
>>>>>
>>>>> OK here we go The company is Veritas Prep and I really like their
> course
>> because like I said I got accessible materials they have both test prep
> act
>> and SAT The price is about $695 for a five week course which includes
>> also
>> office hours after class to clarify content I know this may be beyond
>> some
>> people's financial budget, but I got my department a vocational
>> rehabilitation to pay for this.  Do not if you do anything go with
>> Kaplan,
>> Princeton review,  They do not care about accessibility, and will not
>> give
>> you things in accessible material.  So a free trial class that you may
>> try
>> if you type in it in Google search.  They also use adobe    connect, and
> for
>> screen reader users I would recommend using Microsoft edge and windows 10
> or
>> Internet explore this works best with the  client.  Also, I had read a
>> Pearson as an instructor, and Jeffrey as an instructor.  Also I'm not
> afraid
>> to show my scores because I'm very proud of them.  Without this course, I
>> would not of been able to get the score that I got.  The first time I
>> took
>> the test I got a 610, and when I got my results back this year I took it
>> again and got an 850.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 29, 2017, at 8:33 PM, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ahbee,
>>>>> Please keep in mind that I applied for Fall 2013 admission so I am I
>>>>> guess getting a bit old for this college admission game...
>>>>> I did take both the SAT and ACT and did self-study for the most part.
>>>>> I've only gotten a few sessions of writing tutor and math tutor.
>>>>>
>>>>> I scored 1950/2400 (back then the SAT was on 2400) and 32/36 on the
>>>>> ACT.  I took SAT subject tests for world history, chemistry, and U.S.
>>>>> history but I honestly don't remember those scores.  None of them were
>>>>> 800 though.  Probably somewhere between 650-750.  I ended up attending
>>>>> UCLA.
>>>>> I am disclosing my scores publicly because well those scores don't
>>>>> mean much anymore at this point as a college senior...  and also to
>>>>> share that test scores are not everything as Cricket mentioned.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is natural for you to feel anxious about college admission process
>>>>> and taking these tests but in the end colleges are reviewing each
>>>>> student holistically so they definitely want more than perfect high
>>>>> school GPA and SAT/ACT scores.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Miso
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/29/17, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Yes, please.  I'd like the details.  I'd also like, those people who
> are
>>>>> comfortable telling me, to know your scores on your tests.
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Love is patient, love is kind.  It does not envy, it does not boast,
> it
>> is
>>>>> not proud.  It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is
>> not
>>>>> easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight
>>>>> in
>> evil
>>>>> but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always trusts,
>>>>> always
>>>>> hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV???Love is patient, love is kind.  It
> does
>> not
>>>>> envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It does not dishonor
>>>>> others,
>> it is
>>>>> not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of
>> wrongs.
>>>>> Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.  It always
>>>>> protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV??
>>>>> ??1 John? ?4:19? ?NIV?
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 29, 2017, at 6:31 PM, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I took an SAT prep course that was not offered at my school it was
> a
>>>>> little bit expensive but if you are interested I will give you the
>>>>> details.  The course I took in the company they were the best company
>> and
>>>>> they really care about visually impaired persons.  They gave me all
>>>>> the
>>>>> materials in accessible format.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 29, 2017, at 7:07 PM, Cricket X.  Bidleman via NABS-L
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ahbee,
>>>>>
>>>>> Larger schools will typically have prep classes.  There are apps that
>>>>> you can get for your phone, but the math questions are generally not
>>>>> accessible.  You can use the "free rice" website, which I love.  They
>>>>> have an SAT prep category.  There are, of course, online prep
>>>>> materials.  There are also books on bookshare and prep books that you
>>>>> should be able to get in hard copy Braille.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also want to remind you that getting into college is certainly not
>>>>> all about test scores.  If it was, I owd not have gotten into Stanford
>>>>> or anywhere else to be perfectly honest.  My SAT scores were
>>>>> absolutely
>>>>> terrible, and I haven't passed many AP exams either.  So while I
>>>>> certainly advocate studying up for those tests, don't think that a bad
>>>>> score or two is the end all of end alls.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, I really do think it's important to take each test that you're
>>>>> planning to take twice.  The first time, it's just a good idea to get
>>>>> a
>>>>> feel for the test layout, types of questions, etc.  When I retook the
>>>>> SAT, I did much better (though still not nearly as well as I would
>>>>> have liked) on it, and even though I had to pay for my second test, I
>>>>> thought it was worth it.  I also want to just take a quick minute to
>>>>> remind you that you will likely not be testing with all the other
>>>>> students.  Instead, it will probably be proctored for you individually
>>>>> at school, during a school day so that you receive your testing
>>>>> accommodations, as prescribed by the College Board accommodations
>>>>> letter you should have already gotten.  Hope this helps!
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Cricket X.  Bidleman
>>>>> NCS Pearson, Associate Quality Assurance Engineer
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/29/17, Zachary N.  Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi, at my school there was an ACT/SAT prep class, also I found
>>>>> practice
>>>>> materials online.  Good luck studying!
>>>>>
>>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future.  Every day we raise
>>>>> the
>>>>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create
>>>>> obstacles
>>>>> between blind people and our dreams.  You can live the life you want;
>>>>> blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 30, 2017, at 00:12, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I was wondering about what y'all's scores were on the ACT, SAT, and
>>>>> PSAT?
>>>>> How did you prepare for these tests as welb? I need to prepare, and I
>>>>> wanted to get some advice from y'all.  I also wanted to know how well
>>>>> you
>>>>> all did! Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Respectfully yours,
>>>>> Ahbee
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Love is patient, love is kind.  It does not envy, it does not boast,
> it
>>>>> is
>>>>> not proud.  It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is
>>>>> not
>>>>> easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight
>>>>> in
>>>>> evil but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always trusts,
>>>>> always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV???Love is patient, love is kind.  It
> does
>>>>> not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It does not dishonor
>>>>> others,
>>>>> it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record
>>>>> of
>>>>> wrongs.  Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
>>>>> It
>>>>> always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.?
>>>>> ??1 Corinthians? ?13:4-7? ?NIV??
>>>>> ??1 John? ?4:19? ?NIV?
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