From amc05111 at gmail.com  Wed Mar  1 03:11:05 2017
From: amc05111 at gmail.com (Ashley Coleman)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 22:11:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Apps and sites for education
Message-ID: <018a01d29239$778e4790$66aad6b0$@gmail.com>

Hello everyone

I hope you all are doing great!

 

I have a question for those of you who are in the education field. 

 

What apps, websites and books do you use to teach your students language
arts, spelling and math?

If you have any suggestions for me, please let me know. 

My email address is: 

Amc05111 at gmail.com

 

Ashley

Thank you

Ashley Coleman

Blinkie Chicks Social Media Manager and Blogger

Find us on the web at:

http://blinkiechicks.com/

 


From knownoflove at gmail.com  Wed Mar  1 04:01:25 2017
From: knownoflove at gmail.com (Miranda B.)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 23:01:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Apps and sites for education
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Hi Ashley,
As part of my current Bachelors degree, I am studying to teach English as a
second language. One site that I have found to be a fun addition to my
teaching is: www.getkahoot.com. This is best used if the classroom has a
projector available, and if students have computers/mobile devices available
to play the game(s) you create. Basicly any subject could be reinforced
using a Kahoot game.
I hope this helps, and if I think of any more sites, I'll be sure to pass
them along.

Best wishes, Miranda

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Subject: [nabs-l] Apps and sites for education

Hello everyone

I hope you all are doing great!

 

I have a question for those of you who are in the education field. 

 

What apps, websites and books do you use to teach your students language
arts, spelling and math?

If you have any suggestions for me, please let me know. 

My email address is: 

Amc05111 at gmail.com

 

Ashley

Thank you

Ashley Coleman

Blinkie Chicks Social Media Manager and Blogger

Find us on the web at:

http://blinkiechicks.com/

 

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From amc05111 at gmail.com  Wed Mar  1 21:38:52 2017
From: amc05111 at gmail.com (Ashley Coleman)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 16:38:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Apps and sites for education
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Hello,
Thank you for this website. I will check is out and let you know if I
have any questions.
Ashley Coleman

On 2/28/17, Miranda B. via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Ashley,
> As part of my current Bachelors degree, I am studying to teach English as a
> second language. One site that I have found to be a fun addition to my
> teaching is: www.getkahoot.com. This is best used if the classroom has a
> projector available, and if students have computers/mobile devices
> available
> to play the game(s) you create. Basicly any subject could be reinforced
> using a Kahoot game.
> I hope this helps, and if I think of any more sites, I'll be sure to pass
> them along.
>
> Best wishes, Miranda
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Coleman
> via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 10:11 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Ashley Coleman <amc05111 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Apps and sites for education
>
> Hello everyone
>
> I hope you all are doing great!
>
>
>
> I have a question for those of you who are in the education field.
>
>
>
> What apps, websites and books do you use to teach your students language
> arts, spelling and math?
>
> If you have any suggestions for me, please let me know.
>
> My email address is:
>
> Amc05111 at gmail.com
>
>
>
> Ashley
>
> Thank you
>
> Ashley Coleman
>
> Blinkie Chicks Social Media Manager and Blogger
>
> Find us on the web at:
>
> http://blinkiechicks.com/
>
>
>
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From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com  Wed Mar  1 23:39:34 2017
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie P.)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 16:39:34 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Project BLAST... A new generation of blind scientists and
 engineers
Message-ID: <43007E88-81FF-4D8B-BADA-FCBD945ED584@gmail.com>

Greetings fellow students!

Some of you may recall that I spoke at the 2016 National Convention in Orlando about my journey from discrimination that prevented me from taking even basic math courses in school, to working for NASA on scientific instruments that help us study the cosmos. In that presentation, I promised to build bridges for other blind students to be able to grow from the same hands on experiences and turn their dreams into cutting edge science and engineering. Well, I have had a very busy six months, and I want to share with you what I've been doing. 

This is a 90-second video about my latest project, which aims to help blind students learn the hands on skills they need to excel at science and engineering. It's part of my application to win a grant worth $25,000 to fund the continuation of the project. Would you mind having a look, and clicking "like" if you like what you hear? It will help me show the judges that this is a well supported and in demand endeavor. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVJlR7OI8nk&index=42&list=PLBgTkRMP5uaz784GjDzUKRvog4TSpAwPA

And if you like what you hear, could you please help me spread the word and rally more support by sharing with your friends and colleagues?

Project BLAST is already underway with a first workshop scheduled to take place in early June, but with the help and support of my Federation family, I know we can keep the project growing and bring a whole new generation of blind scientists and engineers into the STEM community, and reach amazing new heights! 

Thanks, and I hope you're all doing well and having a fantastic semester. 

Sincerely,

Jamie Principato

From sr0038 at mix.wvu.edu  Thu Mar  2 21:13:01 2017
From: sr0038 at mix.wvu.edu (Suman Rath)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 16:13:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Undergraduate research experience
Message-ID: <CA+STaW=0H4ry6UeHDJUCyuGJY162Hh6x+wXysCddNQvce27_hw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Friends,
If any of you are interested in STEM or math research, here is your oppertunity.

The University of Delaware, Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry,
is excited to announce a NSF-funded Research Experience for
Undergraduates (REU) program - the . Motivated by the realization that
people with disabilities are significantly underrepresented in
Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics (STEM) disciplines,
SELI strives to position today's students with disabilities to become
tomorrow's leaders in academic and industry.

Program: June 19, 2017 - August 11, 2017
Application Deadline: March 31, 2017

•Participation in state-of-the-art research
•Meet like-minded peers
•Scientific field trips
•Mentoring for graduate school and STEM careers
•Expand your personal resource network
•Stipend and housing provided for 8 week program
•Present your work at the UD 2017 Undergraduate Research and Service
Learning Celebratory Symposium
•Opportunity to present research results at the Spring 2018 American
Chemical Society National Meeting


For more information, visit our webpage at
http://sites.udel.edu/seli-ud/


Warm Regards,
Suman.


Doctoral Student:
West Verginia University, College of business and Economics.
Tel: 304-376-6580


From dburke at cocenter.org  Fri Mar  3 00:05:40 2017
From: dburke at cocenter.org (Dan Burke)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 00:05:40 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Our Tentative Agenda for Friday
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FYI -
Dan

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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Fri Mar  3 02:27:55 2017
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2017 21:27:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Transitioning to college or training center and being
 almost a senior in high school
Message-ID: <46972AE6-C249-4420-A1F3-D1B4B486503F@icloud.com>

Hi all,
    I am counting on my Federation family to help me during this time of excitement anticipation, and stress. Next year, I will be a senior in high School. I am planning on starting my college journey at a community college to transition into the college thing, and to get some of my general education courses out of the way. However, I also want to attend an NFB training center, as I know I am not fully independent. I know this is a personal decision for each individual, but what do you guys think about going to a training center before community college, after community college but before going to a four year universityity, or after a four year university? I will also be meeting with my VR counselor soon. I know that you usually have to justify going to a NFB training center as opposed to a state training center. When do you think I should bring this up to my counselor? I like her, but am a little nervous to bring this up to her. Also, how do you justify it positively? I went to the state center’s summer program last summer. It was good, but I feel like I would have a better experience at the NFB center. We had one low vision instructor, and the rest of the instructors were sighted. Also, we went to see a movie, and the theater did not provide audio description. They also do not make us work under blindfold. Any help will be appreciated. My family and I will also be attending convention! Thank you.
Best,
Mikayla

From bre.brown24 at gmail.com  Fri Mar  3 03:00:46 2017
From: bre.brown24 at gmail.com (Bre Brown)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 21:00:46 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Transitioning to college or training center and being
 almost a senior in high school
In-Reply-To: <46972AE6-C249-4420-A1F3-D1B4B486503F@icloud.com>
References: <46972AE6-C249-4420-A1F3-D1B4B486503F@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CACXqA0oyVu_ooiPJoCHeNNtgKE97+G5=sxzUROB-JQEy32BFJw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mikayla,

You are certainly right. You are entering a an exciting time in your
life. However, there is no lack of stress and anticipation either.
However, you have picked a great time to start asking questions and
thinking about your plans.

When I was nearing the end of high school, I was adamant that I was
going straight to college. Then I began learning about our training
centers and the importance of training. With lots of encouragement and
research, I ultimately decided to attend training before college. I
began talking to my counselor about this early in my senior year.
Looking back, I am incredibly thankful I attended training first. I
truly don't think my college experience would have been what it was
without my training experience before hand.

If you are considering training first, this would be a great time to
start exploring our centers to decide which one you would like to
attend.

Training is amazing and life changing. I learned so many things that I
had never even thought about doing as a blind person. I made life
lasting friendships. I had so many wonderful opportunities to try new
things. I just can't say enough about the power of training. If you
have more specific questions about training or the process, feel free
to reach out to me.

Best

Bre


On 3/2/17, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>     I am counting on my Federation family to help me during this time of
> excitement anticipation, and stress. Next year, I will be a senior in high
> School. I am planning on starting my college journey at a community college
> to transition into the college thing, and to get some of my general
> education courses out of the way. However, I also want to attend an NFB
> training center, as I know I am not fully independent. I know this is a
> personal decision for each individual, but what do you guys think about
> going to a training center before community college, after community college
> but before going to a four year universityity, or after a four year
> university? I will also be meeting with my VR counselor soon. I know that
> you usually have to justify going to a NFB training center as opposed to a
> state training center. When do you think I should bring this up to my
> counselor? I like her, but am a little nervous to bring this up to her.
> Also, how do you justify it positively? I went to the state center’s summer
> program last summer. It was good, but I feel like I would have a better
> experience at the NFB center. We had one low vision instructor, and the rest
> of the instructors were sighted. Also, we went to see a movie, and the
> theater did not provide audio description. They also do not make us work
> under blindfold. Any help will be appreciated. My family and I will also be
> attending convention! Thank you.
> Best,
> Mikayla
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From alliefa1999 at gmail.com  Fri Mar  3 03:04:57 2017
From: alliefa1999 at gmail.com (Alexandra Alfonso)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 22:04:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Transitioning to college or training center and being
 almost a senior in high school
In-Reply-To: <46972AE6-C249-4420-A1F3-D1B4B486503F@icloud.com>
References: <46972AE6-C249-4420-A1F3-D1B4B486503F@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CAO84cXqWMTGzQGt7Y6Tp=DL26Y2dG8VQTxM31anAZiyxiXKuaw@mail.gmail.com>

Personally, I would go after a four year college. This is because I
want to start the college journey as soon as possible. Training
centers are helpful, but I want to be like a normal person and go
straight to college and be the same age as my peers. However, I do
think that going to a training center after college is a good idea.

On 3/2/17, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>     I am counting on my Federation family to help me during this time of
> excitement anticipation, and stress. Next year, I will be a senior in high
> School. I am planning on starting my college journey at a community college
> to transition into the college thing, and to get some of my general
> education courses out of the way. However, I also want to attend an NFB
> training center, as I know I am not fully independent. I know this is a
> personal decision for each individual, but what do you guys think about
> going to a training center before community college, after community college
> but before going to a four year universityity, or after a four year
> university? I will also be meeting with my VR counselor soon. I know that
> you usually have to justify going to a NFB training center as opposed to a
> state training center. When do you think I should bring this up to my
> counselor? I like her, but am a little nervous to bring this up to her.
> Also, how do you justify it positively? I went to the state center’s summer
> program last summer. It was good, but I feel like I would have a better
> experience at the NFB center. We had one low vision instructor, and the rest
> of the instructors were sighted. Also, we went to see a movie, and the
> theater did not provide audio description. They also do not make us work
> under blindfold. Any help will be appreciated. My family and I will also be
> attending convention! Thank you.
> Best,
> Mikayla
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Fri Mar  3 03:10:47 2017
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 20:10:47 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Transitioning to college or training center and being
 almost a senior in high school
In-Reply-To: <46972AE6-C249-4420-A1F3-D1B4B486503F@icloud.com>
References: <46972AE6-C249-4420-A1F3-D1B4B486503F@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <0A262F19-2C47-475B-854E-63C4FAB75BE9@gmail.com>

Mikayla,

As you mentioned, this is a personal decision for each individual.  
But with that knowledge, I hear many people say they wish they had gone to training before college, and really why wouldn't you?  Logically it makes sense to learn skills to be independent before you go out into the world independently.  
There is one alternative that comes to mind, perhaps you do one semester at the community college before training as that may help you understand what the demands of college and independence really are.  This may help you be more focused in training.  
I see no absolutely no reason to wait til college is over, personally.
Just my thoughts...

As far as justification for training, I am not sure where you live but it may do you well to find people in your state that have gone through that process of justification.  Every state is different.
But the key is to articulate what you would get from an NFB center that you would not get from the state center, and why that matters.  

Feel free to ask more questions or contact offline if you wish.

Anna E Givens

> On Mar 2, 2017, at 7:27 PM, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
>    I am counting on my Federation family to help me during this time of excitement anticipation, and stress. Next year, I will be a senior in high School. I am planning on starting my college journey at a community college to transition into the college thing, and to get some of my general education courses out of the way. However, I also want to attend an NFB training center, as I know I am not fully independent. I know this is a personal decision for each individual, but what do you guys think about going to a training center before community college, after community college but before going to a four year universityity, or after a four year university? I will also be meeting with my VR counselor soon. I know that you usually have to justify going to a NFB training center as opposed to a state training center. When do you think I should bring this up to my counselor? I like her, but am a little nervous to bring this up to her. Also, how do you justify it positively? I went to the state center’s summer program last summer. It was good, but I feel like I would have a better experience at the NFB center. We had one low vision instructor, and the rest of the instructors were sighted. Also, we went to see a movie, and the theater did not provide audio description. They also do not make us work under blindfold. Any help will be appreciated. My family and I will also be attending convention! Thank you.
> Best,
> Mikayla
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From eemcrew at gmail.com  Fri Mar  3 04:15:36 2017
From: eemcrew at gmail.com (Ellana Crew)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 23:15:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Transitioning to college or training center and being
 almost a senior in high school
In-Reply-To: <0A262F19-2C47-475B-854E-63C4FAB75BE9@gmail.com>
References: <46972AE6-C249-4420-A1F3-D1B4B486503F@icloud.com>
	<0A262F19-2C47-475B-854E-63C4FAB75BE9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4FA38BB0-3619-442C-B723-0A4DC9B10194@gmail.com>

Hi Mikayla,

Firstly, I want to say that I'm glad that you've already started thinking about this now and are putting some serious thought into the decision. It's definitely good to consider the timing of your training and weigh the pros and cons of waiting we're going sooner.

I really love what Anna said about it just making sense to go to training first, because college is an environment that requires a lot of skills and independence, and going to training only sets you back one year, and with the wide range of diversity in college campuses, being one year older then you may have been if you did not go to training first really doesn't make a difference and you'll likely find a good mix of peers all within a handful of years around your age regardless. Especially at community college, most of your classes will already be mostly people of very close but slightly different ages and likely with several people of very different ages, so if you decide to go to training first, you definitely won't stick out as the one slightly older student in the class. With only one year setting you back, your peers won't even know the difference.

Like you, I personally decided to start out at community college instead of going straight to four-year university. When I was in high school, I didn't see a need for training before college, so after I graduated, I went straight into my first semester of community school. Unfortunately, this did not go very well for me. I learned the hard way during that first year of classes that there was still a lot of work that needed to be done and a lot of skills, confidence, and independence that needed to be gained before I was going to really be successful in college. It was so much different from high school and I was really not prepared for it. After my second, very rough semester, I finally decided to take a gap year from school and go to training, end it was definitely exactly what I needed. The training center I went to even had a college prep program, which allowed you to enroll in a class or two at the local community school at the same time as training so that you could experience your first semester of college while surrounded by your instructors who could help you learn to navigate situations as they arose.

I recently graduated from my training center a couple of months ago and I am back in school at the community school at home, and it has made a world of a difference and enable me to be much, much more successful. It has also given me more self-confidence in general, which has been immensely useful in advocating for myself and even just getting involved in community life and taking care of whatever I need to do.

I think that going to training before college would be a really fantastic idea, and I would definitely encourage you to consider that option. At the very least, I feel it will be especially important before you go away to four-year university. I could go on for days about all of the different benefits of training, and I will always support going to training sooner rather than later. After all, training is to enable you to be as independent as possible in all aspects of life, so I see no reason to try and start a very major part of life before getting the training to prepare you for it and maximize your independence for that experience. The only thing going to training first can do is make your college experience after it even better. There aren't really any negatives to going to training first, so I support it wholeheartedly.

I hope this helps, and I would be more than happy to talk with you about any other aspects of training centers off list at any time! Good luck with your decision making!

Ellana Crew, Vice President
Maryland Association of Blind Students
Website: nfbmd.org/students
Facebook: facebook.com/mdabs.federation
Twitter: @MDABS_NFB

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.

> On Mar 2, 2017, at 10:10 PM, Anna Givens via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Mikayla,
> 
> As you mentioned, this is a personal decision for each individual.  
> But with that knowledge, I hear many people say they wish they had gone to training before college, and really why wouldn't you?  Logically it makes sense to learn skills to be independent before you go out into the world independently.  
> There is one alternative that comes to mind, perhaps you do one semester at the community college before training as that may help you understand what the demands of college and independence really are.  This may help you be more focused in training.  
> I see no absolutely no reason to wait til college is over, personally.
> Just my thoughts...
> 
> As far as justification for training, I am not sure where you live but it may do you well to find people in your state that have gone through that process of justification.  Every state is different.
> But the key is to articulate what you would get from an NFB center that you would not get from the state center, and why that matters.  
> 
> Feel free to ask more questions or contact offline if you wish.
> 
> Anna E Givens
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2017, at 7:27 PM, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>>   I am counting on my Federation family to help me during this time of excitement anticipation, and stress. Next year, I will be a senior in high School. I am planning on starting my college journey at a community college to transition into the college thing, and to get some of my general education courses out of the way. However, I also want to attend an NFB training center, as I know I am not fully independent. I know this is a personal decision for each individual, but what do you guys think about going to a training center before community college, after community college but before going to a four year universityity, or after a four year university? I will also be meeting with my VR counselor soon. I know that you usually have to justify going to a NFB training center as opposed to a state training center. When do you think I should bring this up to my counselor? I like her, but am a little nervous to bring this up to her. Also, how do you justify it positively? I went to the state center’s summer program last summer. It was good, but I feel like I would have a better experience at the NFB center. We had one low vision instructor, and the rest of the instructors were sighted. Also, we went to see a movie, and the theater did not provide audio description. They also do not make us work under blindfold. Any help will be appreciated. My family and I will also be attending convention! Thank you.
>> Best,
>> Mikayla
>> _______________________________________________
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> 
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From bjduarte at asu.edu  Fri Mar  3 04:22:20 2017
From: bjduarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 21:22:20 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Notes for the months of January and February
Message-ID: <1B200FDF-28DC-465B-B7D5-A21FC152F4D1@asu.edu>

Greetings NABS,

Thank you all for joining with us at our Nations Capital to lobby for legislation which will promote Security, Opportunity, and Equality for all blind people during Washington Seminar 2017. The turn out was amazing and the student rally was great with all of our speakers. It is through our collective action that we transform dreams into reality. 

Attached to this email are the NABS Notes for the months of January and February. We hope you take time to read through them as there are lots of good announcements included. Please consider taking time to apply for the national scholarship as well as your local state scholarship. Thank you and if you have any questions or comments please contact Bryan at
bjduarte at asu.edu <mailto:bjduarte at asu.edu> 

http://nabslink.org/content/nabs-notes-january-and-february <http://nabslink.org/content/nabs-notes-january-and-february> 
Enjoy!

Bryan Duarte | software engineer
ASU Computer Science Ph.D Student
National Association of Blind Students | Board Member
Arizona Association of Blind Students | President

The National Federation of the Blind is a community of members and friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation’s blind. Every day we work together to help blind people live the lives they want.


From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Fri Mar  3 04:33:47 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 20:33:47 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Transitioning to college or training center and being
 almost a senior in high school
In-Reply-To: <46972AE6-C249-4420-A1F3-D1B4B486503F@icloud.com>
References: <46972AE6-C249-4420-A1F3-D1B4B486503F@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <B5E716D9-E589-47CE-95CB-820CC956495E@gmail.com>

Hi Mikayla,
I believe that you live in California, right? I went to LCB right after high school and the 3 centers they would encourage you to go most are the Junior Blind of America in Southern California, and the Orientation Center for the Blind and the Hatlen Center for the Blind in Northern. I visited all of these and compared the expectations of these centers to these of the NFB centers. Don't use a very critical tone, because there are some people associated with the NFB who work for/support these cent ers. 
I went to LCB right after high school, and am glad I did. You will grow more especially  on skills which you may not have used as much due to your academics being a priority. I think that you will also grow socially as well. 
Vejas

> On Mar 2, 2017, at 18:27, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
>    I am counting on my Federation family to help me during this time of excitement anticipation, and stress. Next year, I will be a senior in high School. I am planning on starting my college journey at a community college to transition into the college thing, and to get some of my general education courses out of the way. However, I also want to attend an NFB training center, as I know I am not fully independent. I know this is a personal decision for each individual, but what do you guys think about going to a training center before community college, after community college but before going to a four year universityity, or after a four year university? I will also be meeting with my VR counselor soon. I know that you usually have to justify going to a NFB training center as opposed to a state training center. When do you think I should bring this up to my counselor? I like her, but am a little nervous to bring this up to her. Also, how do you justify it positively? I went to the state center’s summer program last summer. It was good, but I feel like I would have a better experience at the NFB center. We had one low vision instructor, and the rest of the instructors were sighted. Also, we went to see a movie, and the theater did not provide audio description. They also do not make us work under blindfold. Any help will be appreciated. My family and I will also be attending convention! Thank you.
> Best,
> Mikayla
> _______________________________________________
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> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Fri Mar  3 04:38:34 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 20:38:34 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Transitioning to college or training center and being
 almost a senior in high school
In-Reply-To: <0A262F19-2C47-475B-854E-63C4FAB75BE9@gmail.com>
References: <46972AE6-C249-4420-A1F3-D1B4B486503F@icloud.com>
	<0A262F19-2C47-475B-854E-63C4FAB75BE9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <714877E1-146D-46A5-9117-C9D36747F1DC@gmail.com>

Also, to add, during my time at training some of my friends took classes at Louisiana Tech either 2 or 3 times a week. This allowed them to get exposure to what it's like being  in a college setting and  taught them what they felt they needed to continue to work on in order to be successful. 

> On Mar 2, 2017, at 19:10, Anna Givens via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Mikayla,
> 
> As you mentioned, this is a personal decision for each individual.  
> But with that knowledge, I hear many people say they wish they had gone to training before college, and really why wouldn't you?  Logically it makes sense to learn skills to be independent before you go out into the world independently.  
> There is one alternative that comes to mind, perhaps you do one semester at the community college before training as that may help you understand what the demands of college and independence really are.  This may help you be more focused in training.  
> I see no absolutely no reason to wait til college is over, personally.
> Just my thoughts...
> 
> As far as justification for training, I am not sure where you live but it may do you well to find people in your state that have gone through that process of justification.  Every state is different.
> But the key is to articulate what you would get from an NFB center that you would not get from the state center, and why that matters.  
> 
> Feel free to ask more questions or contact offline if you wish.
> 
> Anna E Givens
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2017, at 7:27 PM, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>>   I am counting on my Federation family to help me during this time of excitement anticipation, and stress. Next year, I will be a senior in high School. I am planning on starting my college journey at a community college to transition into the college thing, and to get some of my general education courses out of the way. However, I also want to attend an NFB training center, as I know I am not fully independent. I know this is a personal decision for each individual, but what do you guys think about going to a training center before community college, after community college but before going to a four year universityity, or after a four year university? I will also be meeting with my VR counselor soon. I know that you usually have to justify going to a NFB training center as opposed to a state training center. When do you think I should bring this up to my counselor? I like her, but am a little nervous to bring this up to her. Also, how do you justify it positively? I went to the state center’s summer program last summer. It was good, but I feel like I would have a better experience at the NFB center. We had one low vision instructor, and the rest of the instructors were sighted. Also, we went to see a movie, and the theater did not provide audio description. They also do not make us work under blindfold. Any help will be appreciated. My family and I will also be attending convention! Thank you.
>> Best,
>> Mikayla
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
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From dandrews at visi.com  Fri Mar  3 05:21:58 2017
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2017 21:21:58 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [BANA-Announce] Braille Formats,
 2016 Now Available on  BANA Website!
Message-ID: <auto-000077616888@mailfront2.g2host.com>


>BANA logo
>
>
>
>Publication Announcement
>
>
>
>
>
>Pre-Publication Release of Braille Formats, 2016
>Now Available on BANA Website!
>
>
>
>March 1, 2017
>For Immediate Release
>
>The Braille Authority of North America (BANA) is pleased to announce 
>that Braille Formats: Principles of Print-to-Braille Transcription, 
>2016 is now available on the BANA website as printable PDF files and 
>40-cell BRF files. Both the PDF and the BRF are downloadable at 
><http://mandrillapp.com/track/click/30489975/www.brailleauthority.org?p=eyJzIjoiWEpkXzZhOWZtNjBXaXYwTWdNZnBjVWQ2am1nIiwidiI6MSwicCI6IntcInVcIjozMDQ4OTk3NSxcInZcIjoxLFwidXJsXCI6XCJodHRwOlxcXC9cXFwvd3d3LmJyYWlsbGVhdXRob3JpdHkub3JnXFxcL2Zvcm1hdHNcXFwvZm9ybWF0czIwMTYuaHRtbFwiLFwiaWRcIjpcIjQ1NWE5NzA0Mzk3YzRkZTQ5YmM0YTdjZTYxZTc4ODkxXCIsXCJ1cmxfaWRzXCI6W1wiYWRjYzA2OWVlYzgyYmQzMmY1MmFiNzFjMDk2OGU2ODNmOGI2YTA0YlwiXX0ifQ>http://www.brailleauthority.org/formats/formats2016.html. 
>
>
>This revision of Braille Formats aligns BANA's braille formatting 
>guidelines with Unified English Braille (UEB). BANA is providing 
>this pre-publication release while the enhanced PDF and the HTML 
>versions are being completed. Hard copy print and braille with be 
>produced and sold by the American Printing House for the Blind (APH) 
>at a later date.
>
>BANA is grateful to its Braille Formats Committee for their diligent 
>work in making this revision a reality. We especially thank Cindi 
>Laurent, Committee Chair, and Clovernook's Saul Garza, Board Liaison 
>to the committee, for their tireless work and dedication.
>
>The Board of BANA consists of appointed representatives from sixteen 
>member organizations of braille producers, transcribers, teachers, 
>and consumers. For more information, visit 
><http://mandrillapp.com/track/click/30489975/www.brailleauthority.org?p=eyJzIjoieldXZnJXT1doQ2toOVlJeFZHWEh2cGJOcHVFIiwidiI6MSwicCI6IntcInVcIjozMDQ4OTk3NSxcInZcIjoxLFwidXJsXCI6XCJodHRwOlxcXC9cXFwvd3d3LmJyYWlsbGVhdXRob3JpdHkub3JnXCIsXCJpZFwiOlwiNDU1YTk3MDQzOTdjNGRlNDliYzRhN2NlNjFlNzg4OTFcIixcInVybF9pZHNcIjpbXCJjZGZmNmE4YTZjYmJjYWY5ZGQxMWY0ODI0MzYzNDA0ZDQxNWMwYTAzXCJdfSJ9>www.brailleauthority.org
>
>Contact: Jennifer Dunnam, Chair
>Braille Authority of North America
>612-767-5658
><mailto:chair at brailleauthority.org>chair at brailleauthority.org
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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Fri Mar  3 18:34:36 2017
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster, NABS President)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 13:34:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] YOU'RE INVITED: Join the National Association of Blind
 Students 50th Anniversary Planning Committee
Message-ID: <007d01d2944c$cf91a620$6eb4f260$@gmail.com>

Fellow students,

 

                It's a monumental time for NABS to be alive and well,
breaking down society's misconceptions of blind students each day. This
year, especially, we are marveling over the work we have done over the past
half century and celebrating our successes and progress moving forward. As
the 50th anniversary of the national Association of Blind Students comes
upon us this July, we find it important to honor our national student
division of the National Federation of the Blind in every way it deserves.
We are strong, proud, lively, and committed to improving the lives of blind
students and building our movement.

 

With this, the NABS 50th Anniversary Planning Committee has been tasked with
coordinating, collaborating, and implementing events, meetings, and
opportunities for interaction at this year's National Federation of the
Blind national Convention. It is significant to have our members' input in
spearheading such efforts. So, I invite you to join our committee on Sunday,
March 12, 2017 at 8pm eastern for the inaugural meeting of the 50th
Anniversary Planning Committee. I also encourage you to reach out to our
appointed Chair, Shannon Cantan, to brainstorm ideas prior to the committee
call.

 

I am eager to hear from our membership in coordinating an incredible NABS
presence at this year's Convention. Please direct questions to Shannon
Cantan at shannoncantan.nfb at gmail.com <mailto:shannoncantan.nfb at gmail.com> .

 

I look forward to dreaming big with our imaginative minds next Sunday, March
12 at 9pm eastern.

 

Call: 605-475-6700;

  Access code: 7869673.

 

Let's go build the Federation,

Kathryn Webster

President | National Association of Blind Students


From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Fri Mar  3 20:17:27 2017
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 14:17:27 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Calling All People-Loving,
 Passionate Students: NABS Needs Your Help!
Message-ID: <016201d2945b$2de7b3a0$89b71ae0$@gmail.com>

Happy Friday NABS:

 

I hope this message finds you enjoying the warming weather and crushing
those pesky midterms. As the subject says, NABS is in need of committed,
people-loving and passionate students who are ready to spread the word about
the National Federation of the Blind far and wide. We need people who are
creative, energetic and enthusiastic. If any of these adjectives describes
you, we need you to help make our Outreach Committee awesome! So, join us on
our first committee call, to be held next Tuesday, March 7 at 8:00 PM
Eastern. Bring your ideas, your questions, and-most importantly-your energy.
For more information, please see the below note from our fearless leader,
Syed Rizvi. I look forward to talking with many of you next Tuesday!

 

Let's go build the Federation!

 

Chris Nusbaum, Co-Chair

NABS Outreach Committee

 

Dear fellow Nabsters!!!

I hope you are all fully recovered from washington seminar and killing it in
the classroom. 

I am super stoked to announce that Nabs is launching an all new committee
all about trying to keep you in the loop of whats going down in the
federation. We are looking for members who are people loving and want a
chance to work with the coolest person ever, yours truly. We will be
implementing new methods to keep everyone updated and make this family
closer. You will also have the pleasure of working with the gorgeous Vee
Gaspa, and famous radio show host, Chris da bomb. It's going to be
revolutionary, so make sure you don't miss out.

Our first committee meeting will be on Tuesday, March 7th at 7 PM central.
Be there or be square. 

Call 605-475-6700 and punch in code 7869673. 

Any questions or concerns, feel free to slide into my DMs. 

Love,

Syed Mahmud Raza Rizvi

 

Chris Nusbaum, President

Maryland Association of Blind Students

Board Member, National Association of Blind Students

Phone: (443) 547-2409

Email: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com

Twitter: @Chrisn98 and @nabslink

 

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
expectations for blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
blindness is not what holds you bak.

 


From jldail13 at gmail.com  Fri Mar  3 20:44:43 2017
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2017 15:44:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] subscribing to the NFB krafters division email list
Message-ID: <58b9d5bd.c335240a.f5f72.109f@mx.google.com>

Hi,
Can you please provide me the subscription info for the Krafters mail list?
Thanks,
Jessica

On Mar 3, 2017 1:34 PM, "Kathryn Webster, NABS President via NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Fellow students, 
>
>
>
>                 It's a monumental time for NABS to be alive and well, 
> breaking down society's misconceptions of blind students each day. This 
> year, especially, we are marveling over the work we have done over the past 
> half century and celebrating our successes and progress moving forward. As 
> the 50th anniversary of the national Association of Blind Students comes 
> upon us this July, we find it important to honor our national student 
> division of the National Federation of the Blind in every way it deserves. 
> We are strong, proud, lively, and committed to improving the lives of blind 
> students and building our movement. 
>
>
>
> With this, the NABS 50th Anniversary Planning Committee has been tasked with 
> coordinating, collaborating, and implementing events, meetings, and 
> opportunities for interaction at this year's National Federation of the 
> Blind national Convention. It is significant to have our members' input in 
> spearheading such efforts. So, I invite you to join our committee on Sunday, 
> March 12, 2017 at 8pm eastern for the inaugural meeting of the 50th 
> Anniversary Planning Committee. I also encourage you to reach out to our 
> appointed Chair, Shannon Cantan, to brainstorm ideas prior to the committee 
> call. 
>
>
>
> I am eager to hear from our membership in coordinating an incredible NABS 
> presence at this year's Convention. Please direct questions to Shannon 
> Cantan at shannoncantan.nfb at gmail.com <mailto:shannoncantan.nfb at gmail.com> . 
>
>
>
> I look forward to dreaming big with our imaginative minds next Sunday, March 
> 12 at 9pm eastern. 
>
>
>
> Call: 605-475-6700; 
>
>   Access code: 7869673. 
>
>
>
> Let's go build the Federation, 
>
> Kathryn Webster 
>
> President | National Association of Blind Students 
>
> _______________________________________________ 
> NABS-L mailing list 
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org 
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org 
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: 
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jldail13%40gmail.com 

From ahbeeorton at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  4 17:16:09 2017
From: ahbeeorton at yahoo.com (Ahbee Orton)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 11:16:09 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] how to become a member of the listserv for performing arts
Message-ID: <B40D3F46-2568-4A7E-BE6E-B76BBD0BB9D2@yahoo.com>

Hey All, 

I want to get on the listserv for the performing arts group. I have some questions for them, but I don't know how to get connected. Thanks so much! 

Warmly, 
Ahbee 

“Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭13:4-7‬ ‭NIV‬‬“Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭13:4-7‬ ‭NIV‬‬
‭‭1 John‬ ‭4:19‬ ‭NIV‬

From spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net  Sat Mar  4 18:18:19 2017
From: spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net (Jen)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 13:18:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] subscribing to the NFB krafters division email list
In-Reply-To: <58b9d5bd.c335240a.f5f72.109f@mx.google.com>
References: <58b9d5bd.c335240a.f5f72.109f@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <000301d29513$b5657c50$203074f0$@sbcglobal.net>

Hi Jessica,

The link is

http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-krafters-korner_nfbnet.org



-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jessica Dail via NABS-L
Sent: Friday, March 3, 2017 3:45 PM
To: Kathryn Webster, NABS President via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Jessica Dail <jldail13 at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] subscribing to the NFB krafters division email list

Hi,
Can you please provide me the subscription info for the Krafters mail list?
Thanks,
Jessica

On Mar 3, 2017 1:34 PM, "Kathryn Webster, NABS President via NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Fellow students, 
>
>
>
>                 It's a monumental time for NABS to be alive and well, 
> breaking down society's misconceptions of blind students each day. This 
> year, especially, we are marveling over the work we have done over the past 
> half century and celebrating our successes and progress moving forward. As 
> the 50th anniversary of the national Association of Blind Students comes 
> upon us this July, we find it important to honor our national student 
> division of the National Federation of the Blind in every way it deserves. 
> We are strong, proud, lively, and committed to improving the lives of blind 
> students and building our movement. 
>
>
>
> With this, the NABS 50th Anniversary Planning Committee has been tasked with 
> coordinating, collaborating, and implementing events, meetings, and 
> opportunities for interaction at this year's National Federation of the 
> Blind national Convention. It is significant to have our members' input in 
> spearheading such efforts. So, I invite you to join our committee on Sunday, 
> March 12, 2017 at 8pm eastern for the inaugural meeting of the 50th 
> Anniversary Planning Committee. I also encourage you to reach out to our 
> appointed Chair, Shannon Cantan, to brainstorm ideas prior to the committee 
> call. 
>
>
>
> I am eager to hear from our membership in coordinating an incredible NABS 
> presence at this year's Convention. Please direct questions to Shannon 
> Cantan at shannoncantan.nfb at gmail.com <mailto:shannoncantan.nfb at gmail.com> . 
>
>
>
> I look forward to dreaming big with our imaginative minds next Sunday, March 
> 12 at 9pm eastern. 
>
>
>
> Call: 605-475-6700; 
>
>   Access code: 7869673. 
>
>
>
> Let's go build the Federation, 
>
> Kathryn Webster 
>
> President | National Association of Blind Students 
>
> _______________________________________________ 
> NABS-L mailing list 
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org 
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org 
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: 
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jldail13%40gmail.com 
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  4 18:28:40 2017
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 11:28:40 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] how to become a member of the listserv for performing
 arts
In-Reply-To: <B40D3F46-2568-4A7E-BE6E-B76BBD0BB9D2@yahoo.com>
References: <B40D3F46-2568-4A7E-BE6E-B76BBD0BB9D2@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8437A9E1-47A1-425A-BABB-422DB7C15C7E@gmail.com>

Go to nfbnet.org click on mailing list or something like that. And find the list u want to subscribe to and do what it says.

Anna E Givens

> On Mar 4, 2017, at 10:16 AM, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey All, 
> 
> I want to get on the listserv for the performing arts group. I have some questions for them, but I don't know how to get connected. Thanks so much! 
> 
> Warmly, 
> Ahbee 
> 
> “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”
> ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭13:4-7‬ ‭NIV‬‬“Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”
> ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭13:4-7‬ ‭NIV‬‬
> ‭‭1 John‬ ‭4:19‬ ‭NIV‬
> _______________________________________________
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> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com


From emitchell927 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  4 19:00:13 2017
From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 14:00:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Kurzwiel ocr pdfs
Message-ID: <59B2F466-286C-46C2-AE5B-1CB787FF1C8F@gmail.com>

How do you read pdfs with Kurzwiel 3000 on Mac?
Emma


From ljmaher at swbell.net  Sat Mar  4 21:22:07 2017
From: ljmaher at swbell.net (Louis Maher)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 15:22:07 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Minutes for the January 9,
 2017 Joint Science and Engineering Division and National
 Association of Blind Students Meeting
Message-ID: <000801d2952d$628fbda0$27af38e0$@swbell.net>

Folks,

Here are the corrected minutes for the Science and Engineering Division and
National Association of Blind Students joint meeting of January 9, 2017.

Please let me know about further corrections.


Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher at swbell.net

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From dandrews at visi.com  Sat Mar  4 21:43:23 2017
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2017 15:43:23 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] subscribing to the NFB krafters division email  list
In-Reply-To: <58b9d5bd.c335240a.f5f72.109f@mx.google.com>
References: <58b9d5bd.c335240a.f5f72.109f@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000078315583@mailfront1.g2host.com>

You can join the Krafters either by going to 
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-krafters-korner_nfbnet.org 
or by sending e-mail to 
nfb-krafters-korner-request at nfbnet.org and put 
the word subscribe on the subject line.

Dave

At 02:44 PM 3/3/2017, you wrote:
>Hi, Can you please provide me the subscription 
>info for the Krafters mail list? Thanks, Jessica 
>On Mar 3, 2017 1:34 PM, "Kathryn Webster, NABS 
>President via NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
>wrote: > > Fellow students, > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â 
>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  It's a monumental time for 
>NABS to be alive and well, > breaking down 
>society's misconceptions of blind students each 
>day. This > year, especially, we are marveling 
>over the work we have done over the past > half 
>century and celebrating our successes and 
>progress moving forward. As > the 50th 
>anniversary of the national Association of Blind 
>Students comes > upon us this July, we find it 
>important to honor our national student > 
>division of the National Federation of the Blind 
>in every way it deserves. > We are strong, 
>proud, lively, and committed to improving the 
>lives of blind > students and building our 
>movement. > > > > With this, the NABS 50th 
>Anniversary Planning Committee has been tasked 
>with > coordinating, collaborating, and 
>implementing events, meetings, and > 
>opportunities for interaction at this year's 
>National Federation of the > Blind national 
>Convention. It is significant to have our 
>members' input in > spearheading such efforts. 
>So, I invite you to join our committee on 
>Sunday, > March 12, 2017 at 8pm eastern for the 
>inaugural meeting of the 50th > Anniversary 
>Planning Committee. I also encourage you to 
>reach out to our > appointed Chair, Shannon 
>Cantan, to brainstorm ideas prior to the 
>committee > call. > > > > I am eager to hear 
>from our membership in coordinating an 
>incredible NABS > presence at this year's 
>Convention. Please direct questions to Shannon > 
>Cantan at shannoncantan.nfb at gmail.com 
><mailto:shannoncantan.nfb at gmail.com> . > > > > I 
>look forward to dreaming big with our 
>imaginative minds next Sunday, March > 12 at 9pm 
>eastern. > > > > Call: 605-475-6700; > > 
>Â  Access code: 7869673. > > > > Let's go build 
>the Federation, > > Kathryn Webster > > 
>President | National Association of Blind Students > >



From dandrews at visi.com  Sat Mar  4 21:45:40 2017
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2017 15:45:40 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Kurzweil ocr pdfs
In-Reply-To: <59B2F466-286C-46C2-AE5B-1CB787FF1C8F@gmail.com>
References: <59B2F466-286C-46C2-AE5B-1CB787FF1C8F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000078315718@mailfront1.g2host.com>

If you are a blind person, not very well. It is intended for people 
with learning disabilities, and I believe it presents text as an image.

Dave

At 01:00 PM 3/4/2017, you wrote:
>How do you read pdfs with Kurzwiel 3000 on Mac?
>Emma



From kcj21 at bellsouth.net  Sat Mar  4 21:58:09 2017
From: kcj21 at bellsouth.net (kcj21)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 21:58:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [nabs-l] Fellowships
References: <451594661.2443154.1488664689608.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <451594661.2443154.1488664689608@mail.yahoo.com>

Good afternoon,       I recall seeing something about Fullbright scholarships for the blind on this list. I believe it was a podcast and I would greatly appreciate if someone could send me the link. I am alsointerested in any other fellowships for the blind that are available.
Best,Kaley

From kaybaycar at gmail.com  Sun Mar  5 06:36:35 2017
From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 00:36:35 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] how to become a member of the listserv for performing
 arts
In-Reply-To: <8437A9E1-47A1-425A-BABB-422DB7C15C7E@gmail.com>
References: <B40D3F46-2568-4A7E-BE6E-B76BBD0BB9D2@yahoo.com>
	<8437A9E1-47A1-425A-BABB-422DB7C15C7E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHox4DKM6s49Y3i_46RAH4zjiTGcbW-ggvOFWcBr_EMPaJVKAg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ahbee,

My name is Julie, and I am the president of the Performing Arts
Division.  In order to join our list serve, you should go to
nfbnet.org, click on join or drop nfbnet mailing lists, and find the
list labeled perform-talk.  There's a ginormous list of list serves,
so I would recommend using your insert/capslock with F7 if you're
using Jaws to find it more quickly.  Once you've found the list, press
enter on the link, and you can follow the instructions to subscribe to
it.

Please let me know if you have trouble subscribing to the list, and I
can help you out.  I definitely look forward to seeing you on the list
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On 3/4/17, Anna Givens via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Go to nfbnet.org click on mailing list or something like that. And find the
> list u want to subscribe to and do what it says.
>
> Anna E Givens
>
>> On Mar 4, 2017, at 10:16 AM, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hey All,
>>
>> I want to get on the listserv for the performing arts group. I have some
>> questions for them, but I don't know how to get connected. Thanks so much!
>>
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Ahbee
>>
>> “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is
>> not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not
>> easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in
>> evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts,
>> always hopes, always perseveres.”
>> ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭13:4-7‬ ‭NIV‬‬“Love is patient, love is kind. It does
>> not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others,
>> it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of
>> wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It
>> always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”
>> ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭13:4-7‬ ‭NIV‬‬
>> ‭‭1 John‬ ‭4:19‬ ‭NIV‬
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NABS-L:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com
>


-- 
Julie A. McGinnity
President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division,
Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri
"For we walk by faith, not by sight"
2 Cor. 7


From truewise.8614 at gmail.com  Sun Mar  5 06:43:43 2017
From: truewise.8614 at gmail.com (Vanna Song)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 22:43:43 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Just Wanted To Share
Message-ID: <CAOrr3bO4554HPxh_gf2p4-f=GuKxMDG+41p7+sv=diJ1GEccVw@mail.gmail.com>

Good evening,

I just wanted to share some wonderful news. Yesterday afternoon, I
received an email from the University of Washington Henry M. Jackson
School of International Studies regarding their decision on my
application. My application had been selected for an offer of
admission to their MA in Southeast Asian Studies. I'm very happy and
proud. Now, I heard somewhere NABS has a chapter at the University of
Washington. I would appreciate it if someone could give me that
information.

Thanks
Vanna


From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Sun Mar  5 17:41:55 2017
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 11:41:55 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Just Wanted To Share
In-Reply-To: <CAOrr3bO4554HPxh_gf2p4-f=GuKxMDG+41p7+sv=diJ1GEccVw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOrr3bO4554HPxh_gf2p4-f=GuKxMDG+41p7+sv=diJ1GEccVw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B1130E98-2F70-43F5-BB4A-9487ECEEC4DA@gmail.com>

Hi Vanna:

That's so exciting! Congratulations to you on this wonderful opportunity! I'll keep you in my thoughts and prayers as you embark on this new journey.

To answer your question, we do have a state student division in Washington, and its President is a student at UW. Her name is Hannah Werbel, and her email address is hwerbel at uw.edu. I hope you'll get in touch with her and get involved in the work of the Federation in Washington. Again, congratulations on your acceptance. I look forward !hearing about the great things you will do in the future.

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 5, 2017, at 12:43 AM, Vanna Song via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good evening,
> 
> I just wanted to share some wonderful news. Yesterday afternoon, I
> received an email from the University of Washington Henry M. Jackson
> School of International Studies regarding their decision on my
> application. My application had been selected for an offer of
> admission to their MA in Southeast Asian Studies. I'm very happy and
> proud. Now, I heard somewhere NABS has a chapter at the University of
> Washington. I would appreciate it if someone could give me that
> information.
> 
> Thanks
> Vanna
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%40gmail.com


From spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net  Sun Mar  5 17:54:18 2017
From: spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net (Jen)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 12:54:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Just Wanted To Share
In-Reply-To: <CAOrr3bO4554HPxh_gf2p4-f=GuKxMDG+41p7+sv=diJ1GEccVw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOrr3bO4554HPxh_gf2p4-f=GuKxMDG+41p7+sv=diJ1GEccVw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001d295d9$8404bab0$8c0e3010$@sbcglobal.net>

Congratulations, and I wish you the best!

Jen

spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vanna Song via
NABS-L

Sent: Sunday, March 5, 2017 1:44 AM

To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>

Cc: Vanna Song <truewise.8614 at gmail.com>

Subject: [nabs-l] Just Wanted To Share

Good evening,

I just wanted to share some wonderful news. Yesterday afternoon, I received
an e-mail from the University of Washington Henry M. Jackson School of
International Studies regarding their decision on my application. My
application had been selected for an offer of admission to their M.A. in
Southeast Asian Studies. I'm very happy and proud. Now, I heard somewhere
NABS has a chapter at the University of Washington; I would appreciate it if
someone could give me that information.

Thanks
Vanna

_______________________________________________
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et



From mikgephart at icloud.com  Sun Mar  5 20:05:16 2017
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2017 15:05:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Transitioning to college or training center and being
 almost a senior in high school
In-Reply-To: <714877E1-146D-46A5-9117-C9D36747F1DC@gmail.com>
References: <46972AE6-C249-4420-A1F3-D1B4B486503F@icloud.com>
	<0A262F19-2C47-475B-854E-63C4FAB75BE9@gmail.com>
	<714877E1-146D-46A5-9117-C9D36747F1DC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BD104FCE-4F46-43E0-9EAA-B1FEACBB77F4@icloud.com>

Vejas,
    I really like.this idea. I know LA Tech is really good, and has had a good number of blind students!
> On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:38 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Also, to add, during my time at training some of my friends took classes at Louisiana Tech either 2 or 3 times a week. This allowed them to get exposure to what it's like being  in a college setting and  taught them what they felt they needed to continue to work on in order to be successful. 
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2017, at 19:10, Anna Givens via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Mikayla,
>> 
>> As you mentioned, this is a personal decision for each individual.  
>> But with that knowledge, I hear many people say they wish they had gone to training before college, and really why wouldn't you?  Logically it makes sense to learn skills to be independent before you go out into the world independently.  
>> There is one alternative that comes to mind, perhaps you do one semester at the community college before training as that may help you understand what the demands of college and independence really are.  This may help you be more focused in training.  
>> I see no absolutely no reason to wait til college is over, personally.
>> Just my thoughts...
>> 
>> As far as justification for training, I am not sure where you live but it may do you well to find people in your state that have gone through that process of justification.  Every state is different.
>> But the key is to articulate what you would get from an NFB center that you would not get from the state center, and why that matters.  
>> 
>> Feel free to ask more questions or contact offline if you wish.
>> 
>> Anna E Givens
>> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2017, at 7:27 PM, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>>  I am counting on my Federation family to help me during this time of excitement anticipation, and stress. Next year, I will be a senior in high School. I am planning on starting my college journey at a community college to transition into the college thing, and to get some of my general education courses out of the way. However, I also want to attend an NFB training center, as I know I am not fully independent. I know this is a personal decision for each individual, but what do you guys think about going to a training center before community college, after community college but before going to a four year universityity, or after a four year university? I will also be meeting with my VR counselor soon. I know that you usually have to justify going to a NFB training center as opposed to a state training center. When do you think I should bring this up to my counselor? I like her, but am a little nervous to bring this up to her. Also, how do you justify it positively? I went to the state center’s summer program last summer. It was good, but I feel like I would have a better experience at the NFB center. We had one low vision instructor, and the rest of the instructors were sighted. Also, we went to see a movie, and the theater did not provide audio description. They also do not make us work under blindfold. Any help will be appreciated. My family and I will also be attending convention! Thank you.
>>> Best,
>>> Mikayla
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Sun Mar  5 20:10:06 2017
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2017 15:10:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Transitioning to college or training center and being
 almost a senior in high school
In-Reply-To: <B5E716D9-E589-47CE-95CB-820CC956495E@gmail.com>
References: <46972AE6-C249-4420-A1F3-D1B4B486503F@icloud.com>
	<B5E716D9-E589-47CE-95CB-820CC956495E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E1D4B64B-AB14-41F5-A1D3-15BAFB375F51@icloud.com>

Vejas,
    I live in North Carolina. Thank you for your response. I agree on not using a critical tone. The President of the local NFB chapter is the Braille instructor at the state center, and also helped with running the summer program. She is phenomenal, but the program as a whole could use more work. They would not even let her take off for Washington Seminar. As a result, she has not been to many national events, but I love her passion for Braille!
> On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:33 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mikayla,
> I believe that you live in California, right? I went to LCB right after high school and the 3 centers they would encourage you to go most are the Junior Blind of America in Southern California, and the Orientation Center for the Blind and the Hatlen Center for the Blind in Northern. I visited all of these and compared the expectations of these centers to these of the NFB centers. Don't use a very critical tone, because there are some people associated with the NFB who work for/support these cent ers. 
> I went to LCB right after high school, and am glad I did. You will grow more especially  on skills which you may not have used as much due to your academics being a priority. I think that you will also grow socially as well. 
> Vejas
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2017, at 18:27, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>>   I am counting on my Federation family to help me during this time of excitement anticipation, and stress. Next year, I will be a senior in high School. I am planning on starting my college journey at a community college to transition into the college thing, and to get some of my general education courses out of the way. However, I also want to attend an NFB training center, as I know I am not fully independent. I know this is a personal decision for each individual, but what do you guys think about going to a training center before community college, after community college but before going to a four year universityity, or after a four year university? I will also be meeting with my VR counselor soon. I know that you usually have to justify going to a NFB training center as opposed to a state training center. When do you think I should bring this up to my counselor? I like her, but am a little nervous to bring this up to her. Also, how do you justify it positively? I went to the state center’s summer program last summer. It was good, but I feel like I would have a better experience at the NFB center. We had one low vision instructor, and the rest of the instructors were sighted. Also, we went to see a movie, and the theater did not provide audio description. They also do not make us work under blindfold. Any help will be appreciated. My family and I will also be attending convention! Thank you.
>> Best,
>> Mikayla
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Sun Mar  5 20:32:08 2017
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2017 15:32:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Transitioning to college or training center and being
 almost a senior in high school
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References: <46972AE6-C249-4420-A1F3-D1B4B486503F@icloud.com>
	<0A262F19-2C47-475B-854E-63C4FAB75BE9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65FE3FB0-3229-4065-9F68-CAAB0EC5171D@icloud.com>

Hi all,
     Thank you all for your responses.I just found out yesterday in casual conversation that while you are in high school, you can also enroll in courses at the community college I want to attend. I did not know community colleges did that. Nobody at my school told me that. What do you all think of this option? I am just trying to figure all this out. I am an only child, so my parents never went through this with another child. As far as training, should I mention it to my counselor when I meet with her his month? I like her, but am a little nervous. I worry that I will have to justify it on the spot, and also worry about telling my TVI, even though it is not her decision, as her and my counselor work in the same office, and she sometimes can ask a lot of questions about my decision. I know that she will not vocally object, it is not her decision, and that both her and my counselor are there to support me and care about their jobs, but can not help but worry. I know I will have to suck it up eventually. Thank you all again.
Mikayla
> On Mar 2, 2017, at 10:10 PM, Anna Givens via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Mikayla,
> 
> As you mentioned, this is a personal decision for each individual.  
> But with that knowledge, I hear many people say they wish they had gone to training before college, and really why wouldn't you?  Logically it makes sense to learn skills to be independent before you go out into the world independently.  
> There is one alternative that comes to mind, perhaps you do one semester at the community college before training as that may help you understand what the demands of college and independence really are.  This may help you be more focused in training.  
> I see no absolutely no reason to wait til college is over, personally.
> Just my thoughts...
> 
> As far as justification for training, I am not sure where you live but it may do you well to find people in your state that have gone through that process of justification.  Every state is different.
> But the key is to articulate what you would get from an NFB center that you would not get from the state center, and why that matters.  
> 
> Feel free to ask more questions or contact offline if you wish.
> 
> Anna E Givens
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2017, at 7:27 PM, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>>   I am counting on my Federation family to help me during this time of excitement anticipation, and stress. Next year, I will be a senior in high School. I am planning on starting my college journey at a community college to transition into the college thing, and to get some of my general education courses out of the way. However, I also want to attend an NFB training center, as I know I am not fully independent. I know this is a personal decision for each individual, but what do you guys think about going to a training center before community college, after community college but before going to a four year universityity, or after a four year university? I will also be meeting with my VR counselor soon. I know that you usually have to justify going to a NFB training center as opposed to a state training center. When do you think I should bring this up to my counselor? I like her, but am a little nervous to bring this up to her. Also, how do you justify it positively? I went to the state center’s summer program last summer. It was good, but I feel like I would have a better experience at the NFB center. We had one low vision instructor, and the rest of the instructors were sighted. Also, we went to see a movie, and the theater did not provide audio description. They also do not make us work under blindfold. Any help will be appreciated. My family and I will also be attending convention! Thank you.
>> Best,
>> Mikayla
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From filerime at gmail.com  Mon Mar  6 04:24:21 2017
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 23:24:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Just Wanted To Share
In-Reply-To: <000001d295d9$8404bab0$8c0e3010$@sbcglobal.net>
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congradulations Vanna.
I wish you the best.


On 3/5/17, Jen via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Congratulations, and I wish you the best!
>
> Jen
>
> spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vanna Song via
> NABS-L
>
> Sent: Sunday, March 5, 2017 1:44 AM
>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>
> Cc: Vanna Song <truewise.8614 at gmail.com>
>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Just Wanted To Share
>
> Good evening,
>
> I just wanted to share some wonderful news. Yesterday afternoon, I received
> an e-mail from the University of Washington Henry M. Jackson School of
> International Studies regarding their decision on my application. My
> application had been selected for an offer of admission to their M.A. in
> Southeast Asian Studies. I'm very happy and proud. Now, I heard somewhere
> NABS has a chapter at the University of Washington; I would appreciate it
> if
> someone could give me that information.
>
> Thanks
> Vanna
>
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From ahbeeorton at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  6 13:05:03 2017
From: ahbeeorton at yahoo.com (Ahbee Orton)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 07:05:03 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] taking dance classes
Message-ID: <5792FFB2-DE85-4E8B-B5A1-045290BB8A62@yahoo.com>

Hi All, 

I had a question about dancing. I took tap, ballet, and clogging when I was in elementary school. I can't remember all that my helper used to do for me, but I do know that she would come and let me feel of her body positions and guide my body in the right directions by showing me how to do the moves. How would you suggest I learn dancing now that I'm a high schooler? The school I attend  have different levels of dancing classes. I'm not sure I could do those classes with my busy schedule for next year, but you never know. Even if I took a dance class at a different place, how should people teach me to do ballroom dancing or ballet, tap, clogging, jazz, lyrical, or whatever? I very much enjoy dancing but I'm not sure how to tell others to help me. Tahnks so much! 

Warmly, 
Ahbee 

“Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭13:4-7‬ ‭NIV‬‬“Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭13:4-7‬ ‭NIV‬‬
‭‭1 John‬ ‭4:19‬ ‭NIV‬

From alliefa1999 at gmail.com  Mon Mar  6 13:12:21 2017
From: alliefa1999 at gmail.com (Alexandra Alfonso)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 08:12:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Transitioning to college or training center and being
 almost a senior in high school
In-Reply-To: <65FE3FB0-3229-4065-9F68-CAAB0EC5171D@icloud.com>
References: <46972AE6-C249-4420-A1F3-D1B4B486503F@icloud.com>
	<0A262F19-2C47-475B-854E-63C4FAB75BE9@gmail.com>
	<65FE3FB0-3229-4065-9F68-CAAB0EC5171D@icloud.com>
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If you have the time, you should take the classes. Also, if you will
be able to do the work and still get your school work done you should
d it. If you don't think you will be able to do it, don't do it.

On 3/5/17, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>      Thank you all for your responses.I just found out yesterday in casual
> conversation that while you are in high school, you can also enroll in
> courses at the community college I want to attend. I did not know community
> colleges did that. Nobody at my school told me that. What do you all think
> of this option? I am just trying to figure all this out. I am an only child,
> so my parents never went through this with another child. As far as
> training, should I mention it to my counselor when I meet with her his
> month? I like her, but am a little nervous. I worry that I will have to
> justify it on the spot, and also worry about telling my TVI, even though it
> is not her decision, as her and my counselor work in the same office, and
> she sometimes can ask a lot of questions about my decision. I know that she
> will not vocally object, it is not her decision, and that both her and my
> counselor are there to support me and care about their jobs, but can not
> help but worry. I know I will have to suck it up eventually. Thank you all
> again.
> Mikayla
>> On Mar 2, 2017, at 10:10 PM, Anna Givens via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Mikayla,
>>
>> As you mentioned, this is a personal decision for each individual.
>> But with that knowledge, I hear many people say they wish they had gone to
>> training before college, and really why wouldn't you?  Logically it makes
>> sense to learn skills to be independent before you go out into the world
>> independently.
>> There is one alternative that comes to mind, perhaps you do one semester
>> at the community college before training as that may help you understand
>> what the demands of college and independence really are.  This may help
>> you be more focused in training.
>> I see no absolutely no reason to wait til college is over, personally.
>> Just my thoughts...
>>
>> As far as justification for training, I am not sure where you live but it
>> may do you well to find people in your state that have gone through that
>> process of justification.  Every state is different.
>> But the key is to articulate what you would get from an NFB center that
>> you would not get from the state center, and why that matters.
>>
>> Feel free to ask more questions or contact offline if you wish.
>>
>> Anna E Givens
>>
>>> On Mar 2, 2017, at 7:27 PM, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>   I am counting on my Federation family to help me during this time of
>>> excitement anticipation, and stress. Next year, I will be a senior in
>>> high School. I am planning on starting my college journey at a community
>>> college to transition into the college thing, and to get some of my
>>> general education courses out of the way. However, I also want to attend
>>> an NFB training center, as I know I am not fully independent. I know this
>>> is a personal decision for each individual, but what do you guys think
>>> about going to a training center before community college, after
>>> community college but before going to a four year universityity, or after
>>> a four year university? I will also be meeting with my VR counselor soon.
>>> I know that you usually have to justify going to a NFB training center as
>>> opposed to a state training center. When do you think I should bring this
>>> up to my counselor? I like her, but am a little nervous to bring this up
>>> to her. Also, how do you justify it positively? I went to the state
>>> center’s summer program last summer. It was good, but I feel like I would
>>> have a better experience at the NFB center. We had one low vision
>>> instructor, and the rest of the instructors were sighted. Also, we went
>>> to see a movie, and the theater did not provide audio description. They
>>> also do not make us work under blindfold. Any help will be appreciated.
>>> My family and I will also be attending convention! Thank you.
>>> Best,
>>> Mikayla
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Mon Mar  6 16:39:46 2017
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 16:39:46 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] taking dance classes
In-Reply-To: <5792FFB2-DE85-4E8B-B5A1-045290BB8A62@yahoo.com>
References: <5792FFB2-DE85-4E8B-B5A1-045290BB8A62@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DM5PR1201MB0092B2857073E0EF886D1B3FBA2C0@DM5PR1201MB0092.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Hello Ahbee,

I think it is great that you want to expand on your dance skills by taking more dance classes provided that you can fit them into your schedule. However, it is possible you might have better luck receiving answers to your questions by posting them to the sports and recreation division email list. 

You can find the sports and recreation email list by going to www.nfbnet.org and clicking on the join or drop email list link. This brings up a list of all of the NFBNet email lists. Simply click on the link for the sports and recreation link to sign up for this email list.

However, if you do not want to sign up for this email list simply to ask one question, perhaps you could simply contact the President of the sports and recreation division.  Perhaps she might be able to answer your questions or put you in touch with someone who can answer your questions. Her contact information is as follows:

Jessica Beecham
Program Director
WE Fit Wellness
1837 S. Nevada Ave
PMB 243
CO Springs, CO 80905
W           866-543-6808
C            615-497-0435
Jessica at wefitwellness.com 
www.wefitwellness.com

Hopefully these resources can help you find the answers to your questions on the best way to take dance classes as a blind person.

Good luck,
Elizabeth


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ahbee Orton via NABS-L
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2017 8:05 AM
To: Lizzy via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Ahbee Orton <ahbeeorton at yahoo.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] taking dance classes

Hi All, 

I had a question about dancing. I took tap, ballet, and clogging when I was in elementary school. I can't remember all that my helper used to do for me, but I do know that she would come and let me feel of her body positions and guide my body in the right directions by showing me how to do the moves. How would you suggest I learn dancing now that I'm a high schooler? The school I attend  have different levels of dancing classes. I'm not sure I could do those classes with my busy schedule for next year, but you never know. Even if I took a dance class at a different place, how should people teach me to do ballroom dancing or ballet, tap, clogging, jazz, lyrical, or whatever? I very much enjoy dancing but I'm not sure how to tell others to help me. Tahnks so much! 

Warmly, 
Ahbee 

“Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭13:4-7‬ ‭NIV‬‬“Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭13:4-7‬ ‭NIV‬‬
‭‭1 John‬ ‭4:19‬ ‭NIV‬
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From misokwak12 at gmail.com  Mon Mar  6 17:34:33 2017
From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 09:34:33 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] taking dance classes
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR1201MB0092B2857073E0EF886D1B3FBA2C0@DM5PR1201MB0092.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
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	<DM5PR1201MB0092B2857073E0EF886D1B3FBA2C0@DM5PR1201MB0092.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAMe9x_Ecp=5PALbjJngzgeb1QMx6JZwCG=vapwEKP6-BJiyQOQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ahbee, I do not have much expertise in dancing but I have learned
folk dancing in elementary school, did marching band, and swing
dancing in college.
In marching band and swing dancing, I would listen to the instruction
and perform it as I understood them. I then asked my friends to tell
me if I was doing it right or if I could correct any move. Since it
was a large group setting in both situations with only a few
instructors, it was impossible to get one-on-one attention at all
times. However, I had some friends who were also in the class that
wanted to help me. Occasionally I asked instructors for one-on-one
help, and they were happy to help me.

Hope you can fit dancing into your schedule.

Happy dancing!
--Miso

On 3/6/17, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Ahbee,
>
> I think it is great that you want to expand on your dance skills by taking
> more dance classes provided that you can fit them into your schedule.
> However, it is possible you might have better luck receiving answers to your
> questions by posting them to the sports and recreation division email list.
>
>
> You can find the sports and recreation email list by going to www.nfbnet.org
> and clicking on the join or drop email list link. This brings up a list of
> all of the NFBNet email lists. Simply click on the link for the sports and
> recreation link to sign up for this email list.
>
> However, if you do not want to sign up for this email list simply to ask one
> question, perhaps you could simply contact the President of the sports and
> recreation division.  Perhaps she might be able to answer your questions or
> put you in touch with someone who can answer your questions. Her contact
> information is as follows:
>
> Jessica Beecham
> Program Director
> WE Fit Wellness
> 1837 S. Nevada Ave
> PMB 243
> CO Springs, CO 80905
> W           866-543-6808
> C            615-497-0435
> Jessica at wefitwellness.com
> www.wefitwellness.com
>
> Hopefully these resources can help you find the answers to your questions on
> the best way to take dance classes as a blind person.
>
> Good luck,
> Elizabeth
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ahbee Orton via
> NABS-L
> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2017 8:05 AM
> To: Lizzy via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Ahbee Orton <ahbeeorton at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] taking dance classes
>
> Hi All,
>
> I had a question about dancing. I took tap, ballet, and clogging when I was
> in elementary school. I can't remember all that my helper used to do for me,
> but I do know that she would come and let me feel of her body positions and
> guide my body in the right directions by showing me how to do the moves. How
> would you suggest I learn dancing now that I'm a high schooler? The school I
> attend  have different levels of dancing classes. I'm not sure I could do
> those classes with my busy schedule for next year, but you never know. Even
> if I took a dance class at a different place, how should people teach me to
> do ballroom dancing or ballet, tap, clogging, jazz, lyrical, or whatever? I
> very much enjoy dancing but I'm not sure how to tell others to help me.
> Tahnks so much!
>
> Warmly,
> Ahbee
>
> “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is
> not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not
> easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil
> but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always
> hopes, always perseveres.”
> ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭13:4-7‬ ‭NIV‬‬“Love is patient, love is kind. It does not
> envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is
> not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
> Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always
> protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”
> ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭13:4-7‬ ‭NIV‬‬
> ‭‭1 John‬ ‭4:19‬ ‭NIV‬
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-- 
Mi So Kwak
University of California, Los Angeles | 2017
Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
(909) 660-1897


From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Mon Mar  6 17:37:13 2017
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 17:37:13 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Transitioning to college or training center and being
 almost a senior in high school
In-Reply-To: <65FE3FB0-3229-4065-9F68-CAAB0EC5171D@icloud.com>
References: <46972AE6-C249-4420-A1F3-D1B4B486503F@icloud.com>
	<0A262F19-2C47-475B-854E-63C4FAB75BE9@gmail.com>
	<65FE3FB0-3229-4065-9F68-CAAB0EC5171D@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <DM5PR1201MB0092918D807335B0779C7BC3BA2C0@DM5PR1201MB0092.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Hello Mikayla,

I think it is great that you are taking steps to plan for your future beyond high school before starting your senior year in high school. If you are interested in attending an NFB training center, I would encourage you to discuss this with your counselor when you meet with her this month. Simply tell your counselor this is something you would like to do, and then ask her what you would need to do in order to achieve this goal. 

It may be helpful to share some initial reasons why you would like to attend an NFB training center in this conversation. However, if this is your first conversation about the possibility of attending an NFB training center, you should not be required to justify this decision during this meeting with your counselor. It is generally best to justify the reasons why you want to attend an NFB training center in writing. So this is something you could propose to do after you meet with your counselor. 

If you know which NFB training center you would like to attend, you can contact the director of the NFB training center to obtain more information you can use to justify your decision to attend an NFB training center. I believe there may be some sample NFB justification letters in the NABS email list archives. If I happen to see any of them, I will repost them to the email list for you.

As for taking classes at a local community college during your senior year of high school, it might be a good idea to meet with an academic counselor at your high school or the community college to see if this might be a good fit for you. Depending on how it is set up, you may or may not need to discuss this decision with either your voc rehab counselor or your TVI. If you were to take classes at the community college, then I believe your TVI would not be responsible for assisting you with these classes. Instead, you would most likely work with the disabilities office at the community college as if you were a student at the community college. However, it would be best to speak with an academic advisor to find out exactly how this would work for you.

As far as deciding on the best time to attend an NFB training center, this is a rather personal decision that each individual needs to make on their own. However, as an older non-traditional student, I can tell you that your responsibilities in life increase as you get older, and this may make it more difficult for you to find the time to attend an NFB training center if this is something you want to do.

However, I also do not believe that it is absolutely essential for you to attend an NFB training center in order to be successful in your life. I have met some rather successful blind people who did not attend an NFB training center. But if you are interested in attending an NFB training center, I would say the earlier in life you are able to do it, the better off you will be. There will most likely always be some reason why attending an NFB training center does not fit neatly into your life. So making an NFB training center a priority in your life before embarking on a college career that will hopefully lead to volunteer opportunities, internships, job positions, and study abroad opportunities, the better off you will be. 

However, this is simply my opinion, and you need to decide what is best for you based on the circumstances in your own life. Other people can provide you with their opinions and the decisions they made in their lives, but the only person who can make the best decision for you and your life is you.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2017 3:32 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Mikayla Gephart <mikgephart at icloud.com>
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Hi all,
     Thank you all for your responses.I just found out yesterday in casual conversation that while you are in high school, you can also enroll in courses at the community college I want to attend. I did not know community colleges did that. Nobody at my school told me that. What do you all think of this option? I am just trying to figure all this out. I am an only child, so my parents never went through this with another child. As far as training, should I mention it to my counselor when I meet with her his month? I like her, but am a little nervous. I worry that I will have to justify it on the spot, and also worry about telling my TVI, even though it is not her decision, as her and my counselor work in the same office, and she sometimes can ask a lot of questions about my decision. I know that she will not vocally object, it is not her decision, and that both her and my counselor are there to support me and care about their jobs, but can not help but worry. I know I will have to suck it up eventually. Thank you all again.
Mikayla
> On Mar 2, 2017, at 10:10 PM, Anna Givens via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Mikayla,
> 
> As you mentioned, this is a personal decision for each individual.  
> But with that knowledge, I hear many people say they wish they had gone to training before college, and really why wouldn't you?  Logically it makes sense to learn skills to be independent before you go out into the world independently.  
> There is one alternative that comes to mind, perhaps you do one semester at the community college before training as that may help you understand what the demands of college and independence really are.  This may help you be more focused in training.  
> I see no absolutely no reason to wait til college is over, personally.
> Just my thoughts...
> 
> As far as justification for training, I am not sure where you live but it may do you well to find people in your state that have gone through that process of justification.  Every state is different.
> But the key is to articulate what you would get from an NFB center that you would not get from the state center, and why that matters.  
> 
> Feel free to ask more questions or contact offline if you wish.
> 
> Anna E Givens
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2017, at 7:27 PM, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>>   I am counting on my Federation family to help me during this time of excitement anticipation, and stress. Next year, I will be a senior in high School. I am planning on starting my college journey at a community college to transition into the college thing, and to get some of my general education courses out of the way. However, I also want to attend an NFB training center, as I know I am not fully independent. I know this is a personal decision for each individual, but what do you guys think about going to a training center before community college, after community college but before going to a four year universityity, or after a four year university? I will also be meeting with my VR counselor soon. I know that you usually have to justify going to a NFB training center as opposed to a state training center. When do you think I should bring this up to my counselor? I like her, but am a little nervous to bring this up to her. Also, how do you justify it positively? I went to the state center’s summer program last summer. It was good, but I feel like I would have a better experience at the NFB center. We had one low vision instructor, and the rest of the instructors were sighted. Also, we went to see a movie, and the theater did not provide audio description. They also do not make us work under blindfold. Any help will be appreciated. My family and I will also be attending convention! Thank you.
>> Best,
>> Mikayla
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From garywunder at me.com  Mon Mar  6 18:00:36 2017
From: garywunder at me.com (Gary Wunder)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2017 12:00:36 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Transitioning to college or training center and being
 almost a senior in high school
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Hi, Mikayla. This is an important decision for you, and as well-meaning as all of our advice is, you know you better than we know you.

I have never heard a person say, "I wish I had gone directly to college rather than taking the time to go to a training center." On the other hand I have heard many many people say, "I wish I had gone to a training center before college. I had to work myself out of the rut I got into with poor grades because I did not have good travel skills, did not know nearly enough about my technology, had little experience in socializing, making friends, and finding that balance between being a social person and a student. Now I have my training, my grades have improved, and they are more a reflection of what I am learning than were my previous grades, which were more a reflection of the blindness skills I did not have. The problem now is that it is hard to raise my grade point and hard to explain that my grades should be looked at in the context of "before training" and "after training."

Obviously this is a paraphrase of many discussions I have had, but I think that a year off to attend the center makes no difference given the wide range of students who will be beginning their college experience. If you are held back a year in high school, it makes a great deal of difference because you are no longer with the class you have known. You have to face being with people you once regarded as the littler kids. But this is not the case in college.

Good luck in whatever decision you make, and please know that you will always have a listening ear and a group of people who support you every step of the way.



-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna Givens via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:11 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Anna Givens
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transitioning to college or training center and being almost a senior in high school

Mikayla,

As you mentioned, this is a personal decision for each individual.  
But with that knowledge, I hear many people say they wish they had gone to training before college, and really why wouldn't you?  Logically it makes sense to learn skills to be independent before you go out into the world independently.  
There is one alternative that comes to mind, perhaps you do one semester at the community college before training as that may help you understand what the demands of college and independence really are.  This may help you be more focused in training.  
I see no absolutely no reason to wait til college is over, personally.
Just my thoughts...

As far as justification for training, I am not sure where you live but it may do you well to find people in your state that have gone through that process of justification.  Every state is different.
But the key is to articulate what you would get from an NFB center that you would not get from the state center, and why that matters.  

Feel free to ask more questions or contact offline if you wish.

Anna E Givens

> On Mar 2, 2017, at 7:27 PM, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
>    I am counting on my Federation family to help me during this time of excitement anticipation, and stress. Next year, I will be a senior in high School. I am planning on starting my college journey at a community college to transition into the college thing, and to get some of my general education courses out of the way. However, I also want to attend an NFB training center, as I know I am not fully independent. I know this is a personal decision for each individual, but what do you guys think about going to a training center before community college, after community college but before going to a four year universityity, or after a four year university? I will also be meeting with my VR counselor soon. I know that you usually have to justify going to a NFB training center as opposed to a state training center. When do you think I should bring this up to my counselor? I like her, but am a little nervous to bring this up to her. Also, how do you justify it positively? I went to the state center’s summer program last summer. It was good, but I feel like I would have a better experience at the NFB center. We had one low vision instructor, and the rest of the instructors were sighted. Also, we went to see a movie, and the theater did not provide audio description. They also do not make us work under blindfold. Any help will be appreciated. My family and I will also be attending convention! Thank you.
> Best,
> Mikayla
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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Mon Mar  6 19:13:46 2017
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2017 14:13:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Send messages to the Krafters list
Message-ID: <58bdb4f0.5da96b0a.27364.90a8@mx.google.com>

Hi,
I'm subscribed to the Krafters list, but I don't know how to send them a message.
Can anyone provide me that info?
Thanks,
Jessica

From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Mon Mar  6 19:36:00 2017
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 19:36:00 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Send messages to the Crafters list
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Hello Jessica,

If you go to www.nfbnet.org, and click on the link that says join or drop email lists, it will bring up a list of all the NFBNet email lists. If you click on the link for the crafter's division email list, it will tell you how you can send an email to this email list.

In addition, it should have stated how to send an email to the crafter's division email list in the email confirmation you received when you signed up to be a part of the crafter's division email list.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

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Subject: [nabs-l] Send messages to the Krafters list

Hi,
I'm subscribed to the Krafters list, but I don't know how to send them a message.
Can anyone provide me that info?
Thanks,
Jessica
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From katelynmacmusic at gmail.com  Mon Mar  6 21:21:42 2017
From: katelynmacmusic at gmail.com (Katelyn MacIntyre)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 13:21:42 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] taking dance classes
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Hi Ahbee,
That's wonderful that you want to continue dancing! I also did various types of dance growing up, including clogging for many years! Now I am a competitive ballroom dancer, and I am happy to try to help in any way I can.
Usually when starting a new class with a new instructor, I introduce myself to them right before the class begins, explain that I am blind, and ask them to please be as verbal as possible when teaching, since I will not be able to see what they are doing. Like Miso said, I can usually then follow along pretty well and try to do the steps based on the instructor's explanations, asking for clarification when I need it, or asking the other students or friends around me if I'm doing it correctly. Depending on the class-size, if you are able to have a few moments with the teacher, you can certainly still ask to feel their body position, foot position, etc., or ask them to help shape your arms, head, etc. in the proper directions. Then, if I still have questions by the end of the class, I usually try to approach the teacher and ask for any additional clarifications to help solidify what was learned. The nice thing about ballroom is you are working with a partner much of the time, so often you can work together to figure out what you should be doing. Remember that everyone else will be learning alongside you, so it's OK to ask questions. Even though they can probably see the instructor, they might still have the same question as you do. The important thing is to try not to get frustrated if you're not understanding the step right away, which is easier said than done, but to keep trying and remember it's supposed to be fun! :-)
I'd be happy to talk anything dance with you further, so please feel free to email me off list at katelynmacmusic at gmail.com any time.
Also, feel free to join the Performing Arts Division Listserv, as I know we have other dancers on there as well. You can do so by visiting  http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/perform-talk_nfbnet or sending an email with "Subscribe" in the subject line to perform-talk-request at nfbnet.org
I hope this is helpful, and again please feel to reach out with any other questions.
Happy dancing!

~Katelyn MacIntyre
www.katelynmac.com
www.facebook.com/KatelynMacMusic
@KatelynMacMusic
Vice President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division

> On Mar 6, 2017, at 9:34 AM, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ahbee, I do not have much expertise in dancing but I have learned
> folk dancing in elementary school, did marching band, and swing
> dancing in college.
> In marching band and swing dancing, I would listen to the instruction
> and perform it as I understood them. I then asked my friends to tell
> me if I was doing it right or if I could correct any move. Since it
> was a large group setting in both situations with only a few
> instructors, it was impossible to get one-on-one attention at all
> times. However, I had some friends who were also in the class that
> wanted to help me. Occasionally I asked instructors for one-on-one
> help, and they were happy to help me.
> 
> Hope you can fit dancing into your schedule.
> 
> Happy dancing!
> --Miso
> 
>> On 3/6/17, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello Ahbee,
>> 
>> I think it is great that you want to expand on your dance skills by taking
>> more dance classes provided that you can fit them into your schedule.
>> However, it is possible you might have better luck receiving answers to your
>> questions by posting them to the sports and recreation division email list.
>> 
>> 
>> You can find the sports and recreation email list by going to www.nfbnet.org
>> and clicking on the join or drop email list link. This brings up a list of
>> all of the NFBNet email lists. Simply click on the link for the sports and
>> recreation link to sign up for this email list.
>> 
>> However, if you do not want to sign up for this email list simply to ask one
>> question, perhaps you could simply contact the President of the sports and
>> recreation division.  Perhaps she might be able to answer your questions or
>> put you in touch with someone who can answer your questions. Her contact
>> information is as follows:
>> 
>> Jessica Beecham
>> Program Director
>> WE Fit Wellness
>> 1837 S. Nevada Ave
>> PMB 243
>> CO Springs, CO 80905
>> W           866-543-6808
>> C            615-497-0435
>> Jessica at wefitwellness.com
>> www.wefitwellness.com
>> 
>> Hopefully these resources can help you find the answers to your questions on
>> the best way to take dance classes as a blind person.
>> 
>> Good luck,
>> Elizabeth
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ahbee Orton via
>> NABS-L
>> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2017 8:05 AM
>> To: Lizzy via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Ahbee Orton <ahbeeorton at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] taking dance classes
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I had a question about dancing. I took tap, ballet, and clogging when I was
>> in elementary school. I can't remember all that my helper used to do for me,
>> but I do know that she would come and let me feel of her body positions and
>> guide my body in the right directions by showing me how to do the moves. How
>> would you suggest I learn dancing now that I'm a high schooler? The school I
>> attend  have different levels of dancing classes. I'm not sure I could do
>> those classes with my busy schedule for next year, but you never know. Even
>> if I took a dance class at a different place, how should people teach me to
>> do ballroom dancing or ballet, tap, clogging, jazz, lyrical, or whatever? I
>> very much enjoy dancing but I'm not sure how to tell others to help me.
>> Tahnks so much!
>> 
>> Warmly,
>> Ahbee
>> 
>> “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is
>> not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not
>> easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil
>> but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always
>> hopes, always perseveres.”
>> ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭13:4-7‬ ‭NIV‬‬“Love is patient, love is kind. It does not
>> envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is
>> not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
>> Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always
>> protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”
>> ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭13:4-7‬ ‭NIV‬‬
>> ‭‭1 John‬ ‭4:19‬ ‭NIV‬
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> 
> -- 
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> University of California, Los Angeles | 2017
> Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
> (909) 660-1897
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From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Mon Mar  6 21:34:03 2017
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 16:34:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Transitioning to college or training center and being
 almost a senior in high school
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Hey,
My name is Shikha. I live in Georgia. I went to lcb before taking college classes at a community college. I lost vision in the 11th grade. Getting training was a great and challenging experience. I think that getting training before college will help you to be confident and it will help you to advocate for yourself in college. Some professors have never worked with a blind person before. Also at my community college they didn't have braille, and they had few computers with jaws on the computers but they were only in the disability office. I transferred to Georgia state university in August 2015. This university is located in Atlanta so it is big and the disability office is better. Training with sleep shades made me more accepting towards my blindness. At the beginning of my training i lifted my sleep shades. By the end of my training i loved my sleep shades and didn't take them off during lunch. 

I don't know what state you are from. For Georgia we have cvi which is similar to your state training center. Since your state training center doesn't require sleep shades then you might have to write a letter. I wrote few paragraphs that since i have rp i could become completely blind in the future. This isy why I would like to get vigorous sleep shade blindness training center.

Thanks,
Shikha. 

> On Mar 6, 2017, at 1:00 PM, Gary Wunder via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi, Mikayla. This is an important decision for you, and as well-meaning as all of our advice is, you know you better than we know you.
> 
> I have never heard a person say, "I wish I had gone directly to college rather than taking the time to go to a training center." On the other hand I have heard many many people say, "I wish I had gone to a training center before college. I had to work myself out of the rut I got into with poor grades because I did not have good travel skills, did not know nearly enough about my technology, had little experience in socializing, making friends, and finding that balance between being a social person and a student. Now I have my training, my grades have improved, and they are more a reflection of what I am learning than were my previous grades, which were more a reflection of the blindness skills I did not have. The problem now is that it is hard to raise my grade point and hard to explain that my grades should be looked at in the context of "before training" and "after training."
> 
> Obviously this is a paraphrase of many discussions I have had, but I think that a year off to attend the center makes no difference given the wide range of students who will be beginning their college experience. If you are held back a year in high school, it makes a great deal of difference because you are no longer with the class you have known. You have to face being with people you once regarded as the littler kids. But this is not the case in college.
> 
> Good luck in whatever decision you make, and please know that you will always have a listening ear and a group of people who support you every step of the way.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna Givens via NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:11 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Anna Givens
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transitioning to college or training center and being almost a senior in high school
> 
> Mikayla,
> 
> As you mentioned, this is a personal decision for each individual.  
> But with that knowledge, I hear many people say they wish they had gone to training before college, and really why wouldn't you?  Logically it makes sense to learn skills to be independent before you go out into the world independently.  
> There is one alternative that comes to mind, perhaps you do one semester at the community college before training as that may help you understand what the demands of college and independence really are.  This may help you be more focused in training.  
> I see no absolutely no reason to wait til college is over, personally.
> Just my thoughts...
> 
> As far as justification for training, I am not sure where you live but it may do you well to find people in your state that have gone through that process of justification.  Every state is different.
> But the key is to articulate what you would get from an NFB center that you would not get from the state center, and why that matters.  
> 
> Feel free to ask more questions or contact offline if you wish.
> 
> Anna E Givens
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2017, at 7:27 PM, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>>   I am counting on my Federation family to help me during this time of excitement anticipation, and stress. Next year, I will be a senior in high School. I am planning on starting my college journey at a community college to transition into the college thing, and to get some of my general education courses out of the way. However, I also want to attend an NFB training center, as I know I am not fully independent. I know this is a personal decision for each individual, but what do you guys think about going to a training center before community college, after community college but before going to a four year universityity, or after a four year university? I will also be meeting with my VR counselor soon. I know that you usually have to justify going to a NFB training center as opposed to a state training center. When do you think I should bring this up to my counselor? I like her, but am a little nervous to bring this up to her. Also, how do you justify it positively? I went to the state center’s summer program last summer. It was good, but I feel like I would have a better experience at the NFB center. We had one low vision instructor, and the rest of the instructors were sighted. Also, we went to see a movie, and the theater did not provide audio description. They also do not make us work under blindfold. Any help will be appreciated. My family and I will also be attending convention! Thank you.
>> Best,
>> Mikayla
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From dandrews at visi.com  Mon Mar  6 21:36:19 2017
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2017 15:36:19 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Send messages to the Krafters list
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Just send your message to:  nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org

Dave

At 01:13 PM 3/6/2017, you wrote:
>Hi,
>I'm subscribed to the Krafters list, but I don't know how to send 
>them a message.
>Can anyone provide me that info?
>Thanks,
>Jessica



From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Mon Mar  6 21:39:12 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 16:39:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Transitioning to college or training center and being
 almost a senior in high school
In-Reply-To: <B2E54FC4-7EA7-4A2D-B981-FA642B87D95B@gmail.com>
References: <46972AE6-C249-4420-A1F3-D1B4B486503F@icloud.com>	<0A262F19-2C47-475B-854E-63C4FAB75BE9@gmail.com>	<035301d296a3$8f4a69e0$addf3da0$@me.com>
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Did you get yoru training before you graduated High School?
 Justi006E

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 4:34 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Shikha <desai1shikha at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transitioning to college or training center and being almost a senior in high school

Hey,
My name is Shikha. I live in Georgia. I went to lcb before taking college classes at a community college. I lost vision in the 11th grade. Getting training was a great and challenging experience. I think that getting training before college will help you to be confident and it will help you to advocate for yourself in college. Some professors have never worked with a blind person before. Also at my community college they didn't have braille, and they had few computers with jaws on the computers but they were only in the disability office. I transferred to Georgia state university in August 2015. This university is located in Atlanta so it is big and the disability office is better. Training with sleep shades made me more accepting towards my blindness. At the beginning of my training i lifted my sleep shades. By the end of my training i loved my sleep shades and didn't take them off during lunch. 

I don't know what state you are from. For Georgia we have cvi which is similar to your state training center. Since your state training center doesn't require sleep shades then you might have to write a letter. I wrote few paragraphs that since i have rp i could become completely blind in the future. This isy why I would like to get vigorous sleep shade blindness training center.

Thanks,
Shikha. 

> On Mar 6, 2017, at 1:00 PM, Gary Wunder via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi, Mikayla. This is an important decision for you, and as well-meaning as all of our advice is, you know you better than we know you.
> 
> I have never heard a person say, "I wish I had gone directly to college rather than taking the time to go to a training center." On the other hand I have heard many many people say, "I wish I had gone to a training center before college. I had to work myself out of the rut I got into with poor grades because I did not have good travel skills, did not know nearly enough about my technology, had little experience in socializing, making friends, and finding that balance between being a social person and a student. Now I have my training, my grades have improved, and they are more a reflection of what I am learning than were my previous grades, which were more a reflection of the blindness skills I did not have. The problem now is that it is hard to raise my grade point and hard to explain that my grades should be looked at in the context of "before training" and "after training."
> 
> Obviously this is a paraphrase of many discussions I have had, but I think that a year off to attend the center makes no difference given the wide range of students who will be beginning their college experience. If you are held back a year in high school, it makes a great deal of difference because you are no longer with the class you have known. You have to face being with people you once regarded as the littler kids. But this is not the case in college.
> 
> Good luck in whatever decision you make, and please know that you will always have a listening ear and a group of people who support you every step of the way.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna Givens via NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:11 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Anna Givens
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transitioning to college or training center and being almost a senior in high school
> 
> Mikayla,
> 
> As you mentioned, this is a personal decision for each individual.  
> But with that knowledge, I hear many people say they wish they had gone to training before college, and really why wouldn't you?  Logically it makes sense to learn skills to be independent before you go out into the world independently.  
> There is one alternative that comes to mind, perhaps you do one semester at the community college before training as that may help you understand what the demands of college and independence really are.  This may help you be more focused in training.  
> I see no absolutely no reason to wait til college is over, personally.
> Just my thoughts...
> 
> As far as justification for training, I am not sure where you live but it may do you well to find people in your state that have gone through that process of justification.  Every state is different.
> But the key is to articulate what you would get from an NFB center that you would not get from the state center, and why that matters.  
> 
> Feel free to ask more questions or contact offline if you wish.
> 
> Anna E Givens
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2017, at 7:27 PM, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>>   I am counting on my Federation family to help me during this time of excitement anticipation, and stress. Next year, I will be a senior in high School. I am planning on starting my college journey at a community college to transition into the college thing, and to get some of my general education courses out of the way. However, I also want to attend an NFB training center, as I know I am not fully independent. I know this is a personal decision for each individual, but what do you guys think about going to a training center before community college, after community college but before going to a four year universityity, or after a four year university? I will also be meeting with my VR counselor soon. I know that you usually have to justify going to a NFB training center as opposed to a state training center. When do you think I should bring this up to my counselor? I like her, but am a little nervous to bring this up to her. Also, how do you justify it positively? I went to the state center’s summer program last summer. It was good, but I feel like I would have a better experience at the NFB center. We had one low vision instructor, and the rest of the instructors were sighted. Also, we went to see a movie, and the theater did not provide audio description. They also do not make us work under blindfold. Any help will be appreciated. My family and I will also be attending convention! Thank you.
>> Best,
>> Mikayla
>> _______________________________________________
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From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Mon Mar  6 22:08:06 2017
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 17:08:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Transitioning to college or training center and being
 almost a senior in high school
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References: <46972AE6-C249-4420-A1F3-D1B4B486503F@icloud.com>
	<0A262F19-2C47-475B-854E-63C4FAB75BE9@gmail.com>
	<035301d296a3$8f4a69e0$addf3da0$@me.com>
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Yes i got little traing at cvi after school while i was in high school. I did not take it seriously. I graduated high school in 2012. I started lcb in August 2012.


Shikha. 

> On Mar 6, 2017, at 4:39 PM, Justin Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Did you get yoru training before you graduated High School?
> Justi006E
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shikha via NABS-L
> Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 4:34 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Shikha <desai1shikha at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transitioning to college or training center and being almost a senior in high school
> 
> Hey,
> My name is Shikha. I live in Georgia. I went to lcb before taking college classes at a community college. I lost vision in the 11th grade. Getting training was a great and challenging experience. I think that getting training before college will help you to be confident and it will help you to advocate for yourself in college. Some professors have never worked with a blind person before. Also at my community college they didn't have braille, and they had few computers with jaws on the computers but they were only in the disability office. I transferred to Georgia state university in August 2015. This university is located in Atlanta so it is big and the disability office is better. Training with sleep shades made me more accepting towards my blindness. At the beginning of my training i lifted my sleep shades. By the end of my training i loved my sleep shades and didn't take them off during lunch. 
> 
> I don't know what state you are from. For Georgia we have cvi which is similar to your state training center. Since your state training center doesn't require sleep shades then you might have to write a letter. I wrote few paragraphs that since i have rp i could become completely blind in the future. This isy why I would like to get vigorous sleep shade blindness training center.
> 
> Thanks,
> Shikha. 
> 
>> On Mar 6, 2017, at 1:00 PM, Gary Wunder via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, Mikayla. This is an important decision for you, and as well-meaning as all of our advice is, you know you better than we know you.
>> 
>> I have never heard a person say, "I wish I had gone directly to college rather than taking the time to go to a training center." On the other hand I have heard many many people say, "I wish I had gone to a training center before college. I had to work myself out of the rut I got into with poor grades because I did not have good travel skills, did not know nearly enough about my technology, had little experience in socializing, making friends, and finding that balance between being a social person and a student. Now I have my training, my grades have improved, and they are more a reflection of what I am learning than were my previous grades, which were more a reflection of the blindness skills I did not have. The problem now is that it is hard to raise my grade point and hard to explain that my grades should be looked at in the context of "before training" and "after training."
>> 
>> Obviously this is a paraphrase of many discussions I have had, but I think that a year off to attend the center makes no difference given the wide range of students who will be beginning their college experience. If you are held back a year in high school, it makes a great deal of difference because you are no longer with the class you have known. You have to face being with people you once regarded as the littler kids. But this is not the case in college.
>> 
>> Good luck in whatever decision you make, and please know that you will always have a listening ear and a group of people who support you every step of the way.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna Givens via NABS-L
>> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:11 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Cc: Anna Givens
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transitioning to college or training center and being almost a senior in high school
>> 
>> Mikayla,
>> 
>> As you mentioned, this is a personal decision for each individual.  
>> But with that knowledge, I hear many people say they wish they had gone to training before college, and really why wouldn't you?  Logically it makes sense to learn skills to be independent before you go out into the world independently.  
>> There is one alternative that comes to mind, perhaps you do one semester at the community college before training as that may help you understand what the demands of college and independence really are.  This may help you be more focused in training.  
>> I see no absolutely no reason to wait til college is over, personally.
>> Just my thoughts...
>> 
>> As far as justification for training, I am not sure where you live but it may do you well to find people in your state that have gone through that process of justification.  Every state is different.
>> But the key is to articulate what you would get from an NFB center that you would not get from the state center, and why that matters.  
>> 
>> Feel free to ask more questions or contact offline if you wish.
>> 
>> Anna E Givens
>> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2017, at 7:27 PM, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>>  I am counting on my Federation family to help me during this time of excitement anticipation, and stress. Next year, I will be a senior in high School. I am planning on starting my college journey at a community college to transition into the college thing, and to get some of my general education courses out of the way. However, I also want to attend an NFB training center, as I know I am not fully independent. I know this is a personal decision for each individual, but what do you guys think about going to a training center before community college, after community college but before going to a four year universityity, or after a four year university? I will also be meeting with my VR counselor soon. I know that you usually have to justify going to a NFB training center as opposed to a state training center. When do you think I should bring this up to my counselor? I like her, but am a little nervous to bring this up to her. Also, how do you justify it positively? I went to the state center’s summer program last summer. It was good, but I feel like I would have a better experience at the NFB center. We had one low vision instructor, and the rest of the instructors were sighted. Also, we went to see a movie, and the theater did not provide audio description. They also do not make us work under blindfold. Any help will be appreciated. My family and I will also be attending convention! Thank you.
>>> Best,
>>> Mikayla
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
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From sarah at sarahblakelarose.com  Mon Mar  6 22:10:15 2017
From: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com (sarah at sarahblakelarose.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 17:10:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Transitioning to college or training center and being
 almost a senior in high school
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Hi, Mikayla.

I agree with everyone else that this is a very personal decision. Among the things to consider, it might be helpful to think about some of these:

How has your O&M training been? Have you had opportunity to travel in a variety of settings and develop confidence in your ability to make good safe decisions?
Do you have the technology skills you feel you need?
Are you confident about your career choices?
Have you had opportunities to cook and perform household chores? If not ,this may be something that motivates you to consider training--these are skills you will need away from home.
Have you spent time away from home at camps with sighted friends? How was your experience?


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, March 06, 2017 1:01 PM
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Cc: Gary Wunder <garywunder at me.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transitioning to college or training center and being almost a senior in high school

Hi, Mikayla. This is an important decision for you, and as well-meaning as all of our advice is, you know you better than we know you.

I have never heard a person say, "I wish I had gone directly to college rather than taking the time to go to a training center." On the other hand I have heard many many people say, "I wish I had gone to a training center before college. I had to work myself out of the rut I got into with poor grades because I did not have good travel skills, did not know nearly enough about my technology, had little experience in socializing, making friends, and finding that balance between being a social person and a student. Now I have my training, my grades have improved, and they are more a reflection of what I am learning than were my previous grades, which were more a reflection of the blindness skills I did not have. The problem now is that it is hard to raise my grade point and hard to explain that my grades should be looked at in the context of "before training" and "after training."

Obviously this is a paraphrase of many discussions I have had, but I think that a year off to attend the center makes no difference given the wide range of students who will be beginning their college experience. If you are held back a year in high school, it makes a great deal of difference because you are no longer with the class you have known. You have to face being with people you once regarded as the littler kids. But this is not the case in college.

Good luck in whatever decision you make, and please know that you will always have a listening ear and a group of people who support you every step of the way.



-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna Givens via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:11 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Anna Givens
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transitioning to college or training center and being almost a senior in high school

Mikayla,

As you mentioned, this is a personal decision for each individual.  
But with that knowledge, I hear many people say they wish they had gone to training before college, and really why wouldn't you?  Logically it makes sense to learn skills to be independent before you go out into the world independently.  
There is one alternative that comes to mind, perhaps you do one semester at the community college before training as that may help you understand what the demands of college and independence really are.  This may help you be more focused in training.  
I see no absolutely no reason to wait til college is over, personally.
Just my thoughts...

As far as justification for training, I am not sure where you live but it may do you well to find people in your state that have gone through that process of justification.  Every state is different.
But the key is to articulate what you would get from an NFB center that you would not get from the state center, and why that matters.  

Feel free to ask more questions or contact offline if you wish.

Anna E Givens

> On Mar 2, 2017, at 7:27 PM, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
>    I am counting on my Federation family to help me during this time of excitement anticipation, and stress. Next year, I will be a senior in high School. I am planning on starting my college journey at a community college to transition into the college thing, and to get some of my general education courses out of the way. However, I also want to attend an NFB training center, as I know I am not fully independent. I know this is a personal decision for each individual, but what do you guys think about going to a training center before community college, after community college but before going to a four year universityity, or after a four year university? I will also be meeting with my VR counselor soon. I know that you usually have to justify going to a NFB training center as opposed to a state training center. When do you think I should bring this up to my counselor? I like her, but am a little nervous to bring this up to her. Also, how do you justify it positively? I went to the state center’s summer program last summer. It was good, but I feel like I would have a better experience at the NFB center. We had one low vision instructor, and the rest of the instructors were sighted. Also, we went to see a movie, and the theater did not provide audio description. They also do not make us work under blindfold. Any help will be appreciated. My family and I will also be attending convention! Thank you.
> Best,
> Mikayla
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From ahbeeorton at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  7 16:04:33 2017
From: ahbeeorton at yahoo.com (Ahbee Orton)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 10:04:33 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Accommodations on tests especially math and science ones
Message-ID: <2D7522AE-724E-47F1-98D0-5F8E80D2A973@yahoo.com>

Dear All, 

I'm wondering how long do you get on your tests, especially math and  science ones? I ahve double time right now, but I was wondering if this is enough, because I took a test yesterday and it went ten minutes over the double time. I got a high score and finished my test. The other students are supposed to turn in what they have by the end of the class, so if I follow double time, I would have probably have gotten a lower score due to not finishing one question. Is this fair, and how do you take your tests? I've been taking  my science science tests and most of my math tests on my iPad with my Focus 40 Braille display and a bluetooth keyboard. It may speed up the pace to do it on the Brailler. What do you all think? Thanks so much! I'm just worried that I won't get all the questions answered in double time next time. What do I do? I've taken some math tests that I went over double time, and they didn't make a big deal out of it, but now, they are. I'm kinda stressed out worrying about my future tests and not getting finished in that time frame. 

Warmly, 
Ahbee 

“Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”
1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV

From zdreicer at gmail.com  Tue Mar  7 18:12:41 2017
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 12:12:41 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Accommodations on tests especially math and science
 ones
In-Reply-To: <2D7522AE-724E-47F1-98D0-5F8E80D2A973@yahoo.com>
References: <2D7522AE-724E-47F1-98D0-5F8E80D2A973@yahoo.com>
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I've got three times.

Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver

> On Mar 7, 2017, at 10:04, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear All, 
> 
> I'm wondering how long do you get on your tests, especially math and  science ones? I ahve double time right now, but I was wondering if this is enough, because I took a test yesterday and it went ten minutes over the double time. I got a high score and finished my test. The other students are supposed to turn in what they have by the end of the class, so if I follow double time, I would have probably have gotten a lower score due to not finishing one question. Is this fair, and how do you take your tests? I've been taking  my science science tests and most of my math tests on my iPad with my Focus 40 Braille display and a bluetooth keyboard. It may speed up the pace to do it on the Brailler. What do you all think? Thanks so much! I'm just worried that I won't get all the questions answered in double time next time. What do I do? I've taken some math tests that I went over double time, and they didn't make a big deal out of it, but now, they are. I'm kinda stressed out worrying about my future tests and not getting finished in that time frame. 
> 
> Warmly, 
> Ahbee 
> 
> “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”
> 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Tue Mar  7 18:13:58 2017
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 18:13:58 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Accommodations on tests especially math and science
 ones
In-Reply-To: <2D7522AE-724E-47F1-98D0-5F8E80D2A973@yahoo.com>
References: <2D7522AE-724E-47F1-98D0-5F8E80D2A973@yahoo.com>
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Hello Ahbee,

I use time and a half for my tests and quizzes, and I feel like this is enough time for me to complete my tests and quizzes. I generally use either a computer with a screen reader on it, a human reader, or some combination of these two accommodations for my tests and quizzes. In most cases I feel like I am able to complete the test or quiz in the same amount of time as my sighted peers. 

However, I like having the extra time in case something goes wrong with the technology or if I encounter a problem with the reader. I do not have any control over the reader I am given by the disabilities office. So if I am given a reader I have never worked with before who may not necessarily be familiar with the material on the test or quiz, it can sometimes be a bit of a challenge working with the reader.

I feel like double time should be enough time for you to finish a test or a quiz. However, there could be a couple of different reasons why you may have a difficult time completing a test or a quiz in this amount of time. First, it could indicate that you do not know the material enough for the test or quiz. In this case, you may wish to study more to prepare for the test or the quiz. Second, it could be that you are simply not good at taking tests or quizzes, and you could benefit from learning strategies to help you take tests and quizzes better.

Finally, as you have suggested, it is possible you are using the wrong accommodations for your test or quiz. IF you find the first two reasons I mentioned do not apply to you or your situation, you may wish to change the accommodations you use for your tests and quizzes.

A good way to find out whether or not an accommodation works well for a test or a quiz is to use it when studying for the test or the quiz. If the accommodation works well for you when studying for the test or quiz, then it will most likely work well for you during the test or quiz. Another way to see if an accommodation works well for a test or a quiz is to take a practice test or quiz if it is available.

Finally, if you feel like you are really struggling on your tests or quizzes, talk to your instructor to see if they can give you any tips or suggestions on how you might be able to do better on their tests and quizzes. If there are particular types of questions that you struggle on while taking the test or quiz, perhaps your instructor can provide some suggestions on how you can improve your test taking skills, or clarify the information so you understand it better for the test or quiz.

Anyway, I hope these suggestions help you do better on your next test or quiz.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ahbee Orton via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 11:05 AM
To: Aleeha Dudley via Nabs-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Ahbee Orton <ahbeeorton at yahoo.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Accommodations on tests especially math and science ones

Dear All, 

I'm wondering how long do you get on your tests, especially math and  science ones? I ahve double time right now, but I was wondering if this is enough, because I took a test yesterday and it went ten minutes over the double time. I got a high score and finished my test. The other students are supposed to turn in what they have by the end of the class, so if I follow double time, I would have probably have gotten a lower score due to not finishing one question. Is this fair, and how do you take your tests? I've been taking  my science science tests and most of my math tests on my iPad with my Focus 40 Braille display and a bluetooth keyboard. It may speed up the pace to do it on the Brailler. What do you all think? Thanks so much! I'm just worried that I won't get all the questions answered in double time next time. What do I do? I've taken some math tests that I went over double time, and they didn't make a big deal out of it, but now, they are. I'm kinda stressed out worrying about my future tests and not getting finished in that time frame. 

Warmly, 
Ahbee 

“Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”
1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Tue Mar  7 18:32:32 2017
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 18:32:32 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] The Definition of a Qualified Reader?
Message-ID: <DM5PR1201MB00929656FE194AAAE0FADFDBBA2F0@DM5PR1201MB0092.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Hello All,

This past semester I was not able to receive the accommodations I needed for a math class. Since I do not know Braille very well, or know how to make a screen reader on a computer read the various math symbols, graphs, and charts, I find that using a human reader is the best way for me to gain equal access to the course materials required for my math classes.

However, it appears as though my college and I do not agree on what constitutes as a qualified reader. I have tried searching online to see if I can find a legal definition of a qualified reader, or any recent settlement cases involving the use of a reader to see if this might help provide some clarification as to what constitutes as a qualified reader. However, I have not been able to find anything that I believe would help me. It seems as though all the definitions I have found regarding the definition of a qualified reader are rather vague and could be interpreted in different ways by different people.

I am currently trying to write a complaint using the complaint process within my college regarding the lack of accommodations I received for my math class this semester. I am not completely sure how to write this complaint, but I believe having a clear definition of what constitutes a qualified reader would be helpful for this complaint as well as advocating for myself as a blind student with an additional disability. If anyone has a good clear definition of what constitutes as a qualified reader, I would greatly appreciate hearing from you.

Thanks,
Elizabeth

From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com  Tue Mar  7 18:38:28 2017
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie P.)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 11:38:28 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Accommodations on tests especially math and science
 ones
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR1201MB009293CABD24517D530E5A83BA2F0@DM5PR1201MB0092.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
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	<DM5PR1201MB009293CABD24517D530E5A83BA2F0@DM5PR1201MB0092.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
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I normally use double time for math and science tests, though I am finding that ever since I completed Calculus 3 and moved on to linear algebra and differential equations, this time has not been sufficient. It just takes too long to write and manipulate the equations and matrices. I understand the material well, but I lose a lot of points when I don't have time to finish working out the problems. 

-Jamie

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 7, 2017, at 11:13, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Ahbee,
> 
> I use time and a half for my tests and quizzes, and I feel like this is enough time for me to complete my tests and quizzes. I generally use either a computer with a screen reader on it, a human reader, or some combination of these two accommodations for my tests and quizzes. In most cases I feel like I am able to complete the test or quiz in the same amount of time as my sighted peers. 
> 
> However, I like having the extra time in case something goes wrong with the technology or if I encounter a problem with the reader. I do not have any control over the reader I am given by the disabilities office. So if I am given a reader I have never worked with before who may not necessarily be familiar with the material on the test or quiz, it can sometimes be a bit of a challenge working with the reader.
> 
> I feel like double time should be enough time for you to finish a test or a quiz. However, there could be a couple of different reasons why you may have a difficult time completing a test or a quiz in this amount of time. First, it could indicate that you do not know the material enough for the test or quiz. In this case, you may wish to study more to prepare for the test or the quiz. Second, it could be that you are simply not good at taking tests or quizzes, and you could benefit from learning strategies to help you take tests and quizzes better.
> 
> Finally, as you have suggested, it is possible you are using the wrong accommodations for your test or quiz. IF you find the first two reasons I mentioned do not apply to you or your situation, you may wish to change the accommodations you use for your tests and quizzes.
> 
> A good way to find out whether or not an accommodation works well for a test or a quiz is to use it when studying for the test or the quiz. If the accommodation works well for you when studying for the test or quiz, then it will most likely work well for you during the test or quiz. Another way to see if an accommodation works well for a test or a quiz is to take a practice test or quiz if it is available.
> 
> Finally, if you feel like you are really struggling on your tests or quizzes, talk to your instructor to see if they can give you any tips or suggestions on how you might be able to do better on their tests and quizzes. If there are particular types of questions that you struggle on while taking the test or quiz, perhaps your instructor can provide some suggestions on how you can improve your test taking skills, or clarify the information so you understand it better for the test or quiz.
> 
> Anyway, I hope these suggestions help you do better on your next test or quiz.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ahbee Orton via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 11:05 AM
> To: Aleeha Dudley via Nabs-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Ahbee Orton <ahbeeorton at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Accommodations on tests especially math and science ones
> 
> Dear All, 
> 
> I'm wondering how long do you get on your tests, especially math and  science ones? I ahve double time right now, but I was wondering if this is enough, because I took a test yesterday and it went ten minutes over the double time. I got a high score and finished my test. The other students are supposed to turn in what they have by the end of the class, so if I follow double time, I would have probably have gotten a lower score due to not finishing one question. Is this fair, and how do you take your tests? I've been taking  my science science tests and most of my math tests on my iPad with my Focus 40 Braille display and a bluetooth keyboard. It may speed up the pace to do it on the Brailler. What do you all think? Thanks so much! I'm just worried that I won't get all the questions answered in double time next time. What do I do? I've taken some math tests that I went over double time, and they didn't make a big deal out of it, but now, they are. I'm kinda stressed out worrying about my future tests and not getting finished in that time frame. 
> 
> Warmly, 
> Ahbee 
> 
> “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”
> 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV
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From pompey2010 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  7 18:43:02 2017
From: pompey2010 at yahoo.com (Bobbi Pompey)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 13:43:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Accommodations on tests especially math and science
 ones
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	<DM5PR1201MB009293CABD24517D530E5A83BA2F0@DM5PR1201MB0092.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
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Hello ahbee, 

I had time and a half for most of my tests. Unless they involved things that would take me more time to do. 

also, I would advise you to remember that your sighted peers may not be finishing the test either. So it is unfair for us to receive ample time to finish if the same is not given to our peers. 

HTH, 


Bobbi A. L. Pompey
(336) 988-6375
bobbipompey at gmail.com

"Not everything faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced" James Baldwin 

> On Mar 7, 2017, at 1:13 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Ahbee,
> 
> I use time and a half for my tests and quizzes, and I feel like this is enough time for me to complete my tests and quizzes. I generally use either a computer with a screen reader on it, a human reader, or some combination of these two accommodations for my tests and quizzes. In most cases I feel like I am able to complete the test or quiz in the same amount of time as my sighted peers. 
> 
> However, I like having the extra time in case something goes wrong with the technology or if I encounter a problem with the reader. I do not have any control over the reader I am given by the disabilities office. So if I am given a reader I have never worked with before who may not necessarily be familiar with the material on the test or quiz, it can sometimes be a bit of a challenge working with the reader.
> 
> I feel like double time should be enough time for you to finish a test or a quiz. However, there could be a couple of different reasons why you may have a difficult time completing a test or a quiz in this amount of time. First, it could indicate that you do not know the material enough for the test or quiz. In this case, you may wish to study more to prepare for the test or the quiz. Second, it could be that you are simply not good at taking tests or quizzes, and you could benefit from learning strategies to help you take tests and quizzes better.
> 
> Finally, as you have suggested, it is possible you are using the wrong accommodations for your test or quiz. IF you find the first two reasons I mentioned do not apply to you or your situation, you may wish to change the accommodations you use for your tests and quizzes.
> 
> A good way to find out whether or not an accommodation works well for a test or a quiz is to use it when studying for the test or the quiz. If the accommodation works well for you when studying for the test or quiz, then it will most likely work well for you during the test or quiz. Another way to see if an accommodation works well for a test or a quiz is to take a practice test or quiz if it is available.
> 
> Finally, if you feel like you are really struggling on your tests or quizzes, talk to your instructor to see if they can give you any tips or suggestions on how you might be able to do better on their tests and quizzes. If there are particular types of questions that you struggle on while taking the test or quiz, perhaps your instructor can provide some suggestions on how you can improve your test taking skills, or clarify the information so you understand it better for the test or quiz.
> 
> Anyway, I hope these suggestions help you do better on your next test or quiz.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ahbee Orton via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 11:05 AM
> To: Aleeha Dudley via Nabs-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Ahbee Orton <ahbeeorton at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Accommodations on tests especially math and science ones
> 
> Dear All, 
> 
> I'm wondering how long do you get on your tests, especially math and  science ones? I ahve double time right now, but I was wondering if this is enough, because I took a test yesterday and it went ten minutes over the double time. I got a high score and finished my test. The other students are supposed to turn in what they have by the end of the class, so if I follow double time, I would have probably have gotten a lower score due to not finishing one question. Is this fair, and how do you take your tests? I've been taking  my science science tests and most of my math tests on my iPad with my Focus 40 Braille display and a bluetooth keyboard. It may speed up the pace to do it on the Brailler. What do you all think? Thanks so much! I'm just worried that I won't get all the questions answered in double time next time. What do I do? I've taken some math tests that I went over double time, and they didn't make a big deal out of it, but now, they are. I'm kinda stressed out worrying about my future tests and not getting finished in that time frame. 
> 
> Warmly, 
> Ahbee 
> 
> “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”
> 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV
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From alliefa1999 at gmail.com  Tue Mar  7 18:50:04 2017
From: alliefa1999 at gmail.com (Alexandra Alfonso)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 13:50:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Accommodations on tests especially math and science
 ones
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On my math and science tests, I use time and a half. I use my
braillenote apex. I usually finish with time to spare.

On 3/7/17, Bobbi Pompey via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello ahbee,
>
> I had time and a half for most of my tests. Unless they involved things that
> would take me more time to do.
>
> also, I would advise you to remember that your sighted peers may not be
> finishing the test either. So it is unfair for us to receive ample time to
> finish if the same is not given to our peers.
>
> HTH,
>
>
> Bobbi A. L. Pompey
> (336) 988-6375
> bobbipompey at gmail.com
>
> "Not everything faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is
> faced" James Baldwin
>
>> On Mar 7, 2017, at 1:13 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Ahbee,
>>
>> I use time and a half for my tests and quizzes, and I feel like this is
>> enough time for me to complete my tests and quizzes. I generally use
>> either a computer with a screen reader on it, a human reader, or some
>> combination of these two accommodations for my tests and quizzes. In most
>> cases I feel like I am able to complete the test or quiz in the same
>> amount of time as my sighted peers.
>>
>> However, I like having the extra time in case something goes wrong with
>> the technology or if I encounter a problem with the reader. I do not have
>> any control over the reader I am given by the disabilities office. So if I
>> am given a reader I have never worked with before who may not necessarily
>> be familiar with the material on the test or quiz, it can sometimes be a
>> bit of a challenge working with the reader.
>>
>> I feel like double time should be enough time for you to finish a test or
>> a quiz. However, there could be a couple of different reasons why you may
>> have a difficult time completing a test or a quiz in this amount of time.
>> First, it could indicate that you do not know the material enough for the
>> test or quiz. In this case, you may wish to study more to prepare for the
>> test or the quiz. Second, it could be that you are simply not good at
>> taking tests or quizzes, and you could benefit from learning strategies to
>> help you take tests and quizzes better.
>>
>> Finally, as you have suggested, it is possible you are using the wrong
>> accommodations for your test or quiz. IF you find the first two reasons I
>> mentioned do not apply to you or your situation, you may wish to change
>> the accommodations you use for your tests and quizzes.
>>
>> A good way to find out whether or not an accommodation works well for a
>> test or a quiz is to use it when studying for the test or the quiz. If the
>> accommodation works well for you when studying for the test or quiz, then
>> it will most likely work well for you during the test or quiz. Another way
>> to see if an accommodation works well for a test or a quiz is to take a
>> practice test or quiz if it is available.
>>
>> Finally, if you feel like you are really struggling on your tests or
>> quizzes, talk to your instructor to see if they can give you any tips or
>> suggestions on how you might be able to do better on their tests and
>> quizzes. If there are particular types of questions that you struggle on
>> while taking the test or quiz, perhaps your instructor can provide some
>> suggestions on how you can improve your test taking skills, or clarify the
>> information so you understand it better for the test or quiz.
>>
>> Anyway, I hope these suggestions help you do better on your next test or
>> quiz.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>> Elizabeth
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ahbee Orton
>> via NABS-L
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 11:05 AM
>> To: Aleeha Dudley via Nabs-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Ahbee Orton <ahbeeorton at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Accommodations on tests especially math and science ones
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> I'm wondering how long do you get on your tests, especially math and
>> science ones? I ahve double time right now, but I was wondering if this is
>> enough, because I took a test yesterday and it went ten minutes over the
>> double time. I got a high score and finished my test. The other students
>> are supposed to turn in what they have by the end of the class, so if I
>> follow double time, I would have probably have gotten a lower score due to
>> not finishing one question. Is this fair, and how do you take your tests?
>> I've been taking  my science science tests and most of my math tests on my
>> iPad with my Focus 40 Braille display and a bluetooth keyboard. It may
>> speed up the pace to do it on the Brailler. What do you all think? Thanks
>> so much! I'm just worried that I won't get all the questions answered in
>> double time next time. What do I do? I've taken some math tests that I
>> went over double time, and they didn't make a big deal out of it, but now,
>> they are. I'm kinda stressed out worrying about my future tests and not
>> getting finished in that time frame.
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Ahbee
>>
>> “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is
>> not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not
>> easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in
>> evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts,
>> always hopes, always perseveres.”
>> 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Tue Mar  7 19:46:34 2017
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 19:46:34 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
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Hello All,

Please forgive the multiple posts. However, after sending my previous email, I was wondering if there might be any kind of standers or guidelines for reading materials for math or science classes. If there are any credible sources for standards or guidelines for reading materials for math or science classes, perhaps this might help me establish a good definition of a qualified reader for my math classes.

I understand some of you may believe that Braille is the only way to go in terms of being able to access materials for math classes. However, as I have already indicated, I do not know Braille well enough to use for my math classes. And as someone who grew up sighted, most of the time it is just easier for someone to read me a simple graphic or chart than it is for me to figure out how to read this information in Braille.

The types of graphics and charts that were included in the math class that I tried to take this semester included such things as number lines and a chart that was like an excel spreadsheet listing names of cities down one Colum and temperatures going down another Colum. I am not quite sure what might be included in the other math classes that I need to take to meet the university math requirement for the university I would like to be able to transfer to after completing my associates degree.

I am not looking to complete advance math classes here. I am simply trying to take what is required to meet the transfer requirements. However, I am not quite sure how to go about fulfilling my math requirement when the disabilities office at the community college that I attend does not appear to work with me so I can gain equal access to the course required for my math classes.

I do not know how else to gain access to the course materials required for my math classes, and so far the college does not agree with me on what constitutes as a qualified reader. So again, any assistance anyone could provide in helping me find a credible source for a good clear definition of qualified reader would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Elizabeth

From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Tue Mar  7 23:04:33 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2017 15:04:33 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
Message-ID: <58bf3ca6.4c43620a.bdf84.4b91@mx.google.com>

Hi Elizabeth,
I didn't know that there was such a thing as a "qualified" 
reader"-I have learned that there are volunteer and paid readers.  
I would think that the ideal math and science reader should be 
able to understand how to do all the basic math and science 
symbols.
I have a math reader.  I have the book in Braille, but it is to 
clarify with diagrams.  She's a freshman at my college also, and 
took the material I am currently taking last semester, so it is 
nice and fresh in her mind.  (As I mentioned awhile back in one 
of my other emails to you, my Disability Services chooses readers 
by departments, although I fully understand that yours are not 
willing.)
I think the 2 best options are:
1.  Department of Rehab: How flexible are they? Ideally they 
should be able to pay for you to have a human reader if your DSS 
are unwilling.
2.  Find your own reader via church, putting up posters, or maybe 
even emailing your Dean? They might be able to connect you with 
some people.  Explain that you're looking for someone with basic 
math and science abilities.  Then I sofest interviewing them.  
Since you already tried to take that course this semester, you 
may already have some worksheets available.  Then you could ask 
them questions like, "What does this say?" Or "Can you read 
this?"
So I think your ideal reader should:
1.  Understand basic math and science skills (if they understand 
advanced, even better)
2.  Be willing to work with you and take your commands such as 
"slower" and "faster"
3.  Not have too heavy an accent.
Hope this helps,
Vejas


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Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers

Hello All,

Please forgive the multiple posts.  However, after sending my 
previous email, I was wondering if there might be any kind of 
standers or guidelines for reading materials for math or science 
classes.  If there are any credible sources for standards or 
guidelines for reading materials for math or science classes, 
perhaps this might help me establish a good definition of a 
qualified reader for my math classes.

I understand some of you may believe that Braille is the only way 
to go in terms of being able to access materials for math 
classes.  However, as I have already indicated, I do not know 
Braille well enough to use for my math classes.  And as someone 
who grew up sighted, most of the time it is just easier for 
someone to read me a simple graphic or chart than it is for me to 
figure out how to read this information in Braille.

The types of graphics and charts that were included in the math 
class that I tried to take this semester included such things as 
number lines and a chart that was like an excel spreadsheet 
listing names of cities down one Colum and temperatures going 
down another Colum.  I am not quite sure what might be included 
in the other math classes that I need to take to meet the 
university math requirement for the university I would like to be 
able to transfer to after completing my associates degree.

I am not looking to complete advance math classes here.  I am 
simply trying to take what is required to meet the transfer 
requirements.  However, I am not quite sure how to go about 
fulfilling my math requirement when the disabilities office at 
the community college that I attend does not appear to work with 
me so I can gain equal access to the course required for my math 
classes.

I do not know how else to gain access to the course materials 
required for my math classes, and so far the college does not 
agree with me on what constitutes as a qualified reader.  So 
again, any assistance anyone could provide in helping me find a 
credible source for a good clear definition of qualified reader 
would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Elizabeth
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Wed Mar  8 06:11:23 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2017 22:11:23 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Music App on Iphone 6
Message-ID: <58bfa0b1.4681620a.9595a.9e6c@mx.google.com>

Hi All,
I have a question related to the I-Phone and was wondering if 
this might be a Voice-Over issue or if anyone has experienced 
this.  Sometimes, for no apparent reason, a track that I did not 
select will play when I am not even in the music app.  When I 
tried to close the music app in the app-switcher, I saw that I 
had not even had the music app open.  Does anyone know how I 
might be able to fix this?
Thanks,
Vejas


From filerime at gmail.com  Wed Mar  8 14:16:53 2017
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 09:16:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] qualitative research software
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Hi all,
I am about to analyse qualitative data. Does anyone know an accessible
software to do that? If you just use Word and Excel, if you developed
any methods, would you please share it with me?
Or if you use something different, please let me know.
Thanks in advance.


From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Mar  8 14:28:47 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 09:28:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] qualitative research software
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SASS or SPSS I think, but Ask Arielle because she is more familiar with this
than I am.
 Justin

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Hi all,
I am about to analyse qualitative data. Does anyone know an accessible
software to do that? If you just use Word and Excel, if you developed any
methods, would you please share it with me?
Or if you use something different, please let me know.
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From dragoshi11 at hotmail.com  Wed Mar  8 17:29:01 2017
From: dragoshi11 at hotmail.com (Rilind Dragoshi)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 17:29:01 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Accommodations on tests especially math and science
 ones
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I usually have double time for all my tests, although in many cases it isn't needed.
The only time I needed more was once or twice when technological issues were present, such as the document translating in to French as I was typing, and then having to have to translate the document in to English. Another case was for a specific type of statistical question with nine different equations, as long story short it was many equations that involved going back and forth a lot. My advice is to explain right away initially what technological reasons exist that you need more time such as when having to scroll lists, matching, multiple choice, etc., or anything that causes you to need more time due to navigation purposes. Then, it's also important to explain that sometimes you may need more time due to technological issues or if a certain question takes more time navigationally due to the above reasons, and that you'll let them know right away if this happens. In such a case, the understanding becomes having the double time and knowing that if you encounter any additional challenges navigation/wise or technologically you will let someone know right away. The main thing to keep in mind in this case is that it is important to remember that when this kind of understanding is established, that in order for the mutual respect to not have any problems it is key to remember in all cases that the only reason as someone with a visual impairment or blindness that we need double or whatever extra time is agreed on is due to how long it takes to access and fill in the material. Therefore, it is not a reason to take extra time on questions just because you have extra time.

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Today's Topics:

   1. Accommodations on tests especially math and science ones
      (Ahbee Orton)
   2. Re: Accommodations on tests especially math and science ones
      (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
   3. Re: Accommodations on tests especially math and science ones
      (Elizabeth Mohnke)
   4. The Definition of a Qualified Reader? (Elizabeth Mohnke)
   5. Re: Accommodations on tests especially math and science ones
      (Jamie P.)
   6. Re: Accommodations on tests especially math and science ones
      (Bobbi Pompey)
   7. Re: Accommodations on tests especially math and science ones
      (Alexandra Alfonso)
   8. More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers (Elizabeth Mohnke)
   9. Re: More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
      (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
  10. Music App on Iphone 6 (Vejas Vasiliauskas)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 10:04:33 -0600
From: Ahbee Orton <ahbeeorton at yahoo.com>
To: Aleeha Dudley via Nabs-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] Accommodations on tests especially math and science
	ones
Message-ID: <2D7522AE-724E-47F1-98D0-5F8E80D2A973 at yahoo.com>
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Dear All, 

I'm wondering how long do you get on your tests, especially math and  science ones? I ahve double time right now, but I was wondering if this is enough, because I took a test yesterday and it went ten minutes over the double time. I got a high score and finished my test. The other students are supposed to turn in what they have by the end of the class, so if I follow double time, I would have probably have gotten a lower score due to not finishing one question. Is this fair, and how do you take your tests? I've been taking  my science science tests and most of my math tests on my iPad with my Focus 40 Braille display and a bluetooth keyboard. It may speed up the pace to do it on the Brailler. What do you all think? Thanks so much! I'm just worried that I won't get all the questions answered in double time next time. What do I do? I've taken some math tests that I went over double time, and they didn't make a big deal out of it, but now, they are. I'm kinda stressed out worrying about my future tests and not getting finished in that time frame. 

Warmly,
Ahbee 

?Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.?
1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 12:12:41 -0600
From: "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer" <zdreicer at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accommodations on tests especially math and
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I've got three times.

Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver

> On Mar 7, 2017, at 10:04, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> I'm wondering how long do you get on your tests, especially math and  science ones? I ahve double time right now, but I was wondering if this is enough, because I took a test yesterday and it went ten minutes over the double time. I got a high score and finished my test. The other students are supposed to turn in what they have by the end of the class, so if I follow double time, I would have probably have gotten a lower score due to not finishing one question. Is this fair, and how do you take your tests? I've been taking  my science science tests and most of my math tests on my iPad with my Focus 40 Braille display and a bluetooth keyboard. It may speed up the pace to do it on the Brailler. What do you all think? Thanks so much! I'm just worried that I won't get all the questions answered in double time next time. What do I do? I've taken some math tests that I went over double time, and they didn't make a big deal out of it, but now, they are. I'm kinda stressed out worrying about my future tests and not getting finished in that time frame. 
> 
> Warmly,
> Ahbee
> 
> ?Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.?
> 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 18:13:58 +0000
From: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accommodations on tests especially math and
	science ones
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Hello Ahbee,

I use time and a half for my tests and quizzes, and I feel like this is enough time for me to complete my tests and quizzes. I generally use either a computer with a screen reader on it, a human reader, or some combination of these two accommodations for my tests and quizzes. In most cases I feel like I am able to complete the test or quiz in the same amount of time as my sighted peers. 

However, I like having the extra time in case something goes wrong with the technology or if I encounter a problem with the reader. I do not have any control over the reader I am given by the disabilities office. So if I am given a reader I have never worked with before who may not necessarily be familiar with the material on the test or quiz, it can sometimes be a bit of a challenge working with the reader.

I feel like double time should be enough time for you to finish a test or a quiz. However, there could be a couple of different reasons why you may have a difficult time completing a test or a quiz in this amount of time. First, it could indicate that you do not know the material enough for the test or quiz. In this case, you may wish to study more to prepare for the test or the quiz. Second, it could be that you are simply not good at taking tests or quizzes, and you could benefit from learning strategies to help you take tests and quizzes better.

Finally, as you have suggested, it is possible you are using the wrong accommodations for your test or quiz. IF you find the first two reasons I mentioned do not apply to you or your situation, you may wish to change the accommodations you use for your tests and quizzes.

A good way to find out whether or not an accommodation works well for a test or a quiz is to use it when studying for the test or the quiz. If the accommodation works well for you when studying for the test or quiz, then it will most likely work well for you during the test or quiz. Another way to see if an accommodation works well for a test or a quiz is to take a practice test or quiz if it is available.

Finally, if you feel like you are really struggling on your tests or quizzes, talk to your instructor to see if they can give you any tips or suggestions on how you might be able to do better on their tests and quizzes. If there are particular types of questions that you struggle on while taking the test or quiz, perhaps your instructor can provide some suggestions on how you can improve your test taking skills, or clarify the information so you understand it better for the test or quiz.

Anyway, I hope these suggestions help you do better on your next test or quiz.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth


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Cc: Ahbee Orton <ahbeeorton at yahoo.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Accommodations on tests especially math and science ones

Dear All, 

I'm wondering how long do you get on your tests, especially math and  science ones? I ahve double time right now, but I was wondering if this is enough, because I took a test yesterday and it went ten minutes over the double time. I got a high score and finished my test. The other students are supposed to turn in what they have by the end of the class, so if I follow double time, I would have probably have gotten a lower score due to not finishing one question. Is this fair, and how do you take your tests? I've been taking  my science science tests and most of my math tests on my iPad with my Focus 40 Braille display and a bluetooth keyboard. It may speed up the pace to do it on the Brailler. What do you all think? Thanks so much! I'm just worried that I won't get all the questions answered in double time next time. What do I do? I've taken some math tests that I went over double time, and they didn't make a big deal out of it, but now, they are. I'm kinda stressed out worrying about my future tests and not getting finished in that time frame. 

Warmly,
Ahbee 

?Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.?
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 18:32:32 +0000
From: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
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Subject: [nabs-l] The Definition of a Qualified Reader?
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Hello All,

This past semester I was not able to receive the accommodations I needed for a math class. Since I do not know Braille very well, or know how to make a screen reader on a computer read the various math symbols, graphs, and charts, I find that using a human reader is the best way for me to gain equal access to the course materials required for my math classes.

However, it appears as though my college and I do not agree on what constitutes as a qualified reader. I have tried searching online to see if I can find a legal definition of a qualified reader, or any recent settlement cases involving the use of a reader to see if this might help provide some clarification as to what constitutes as a qualified reader. However, I have not been able to find anything that I believe would help me. It seems as though all the definitions I have found regarding the definition of a qualified reader are rather vague and could be interpreted in different ways by different people.

I am currently trying to write a complaint using the complaint process within my college regarding the lack of accommodations I received for my math class this semester. I am not completely sure how to write this complaint, but I believe having a clear definition of what constitutes a qualified reader would be helpful for this complaint as well as advocating for myself as a blind student with an additional disability. If anyone has a good clear definition of what constitutes as a qualified reader, I would greatly appreciate hearing from you.

Thanks,
Elizabeth


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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 11:38:28 -0700
From: "Jamie P." <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accommodations on tests especially math and
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I normally use double time for math and science tests, though I am finding that ever since I completed Calculus 3 and moved on to linear algebra and differential equations, this time has not been sufficient. It just takes too long to write and manipulate the equations and matrices. I understand the material well, but I lose a lot of points when I don't have time to finish working out the problems. 

-Jamie

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 7, 2017, at 11:13, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Ahbee,
> 
> I use time and a half for my tests and quizzes, and I feel like this is enough time for me to complete my tests and quizzes. I generally use either a computer with a screen reader on it, a human reader, or some combination of these two accommodations for my tests and quizzes. In most cases I feel like I am able to complete the test or quiz in the same amount of time as my sighted peers. 
> 
> However, I like having the extra time in case something goes wrong with the technology or if I encounter a problem with the reader. I do not have any control over the reader I am given by the disabilities office. So if I am given a reader I have never worked with before who may not necessarily be familiar with the material on the test or quiz, it can sometimes be a bit of a challenge working with the reader.
> 
> I feel like double time should be enough time for you to finish a test or a quiz. However, there could be a couple of different reasons why you may have a difficult time completing a test or a quiz in this amount of time. First, it could indicate that you do not know the material enough for the test or quiz. In this case, you may wish to study more to prepare for the test or the quiz. Second, it could be that you are simply not good at taking tests or quizzes, and you could benefit from learning strategies to help you take tests and quizzes better.
> 
> Finally, as you have suggested, it is possible you are using the wrong accommodations for your test or quiz. IF you find the first two reasons I mentioned do not apply to you or your situation, you may wish to change the accommodations you use for your tests and quizzes.
> 
> A good way to find out whether or not an accommodation works well for a test or a quiz is to use it when studying for the test or the quiz. If the accommodation works well for you when studying for the test or quiz, then it will most likely work well for you during the test or quiz. Another way to see if an accommodation works well for a test or a quiz is to take a practice test or quiz if it is available.
> 
> Finally, if you feel like you are really struggling on your tests or quizzes, talk to your instructor to see if they can give you any tips or suggestions on how you might be able to do better on their tests and quizzes. If there are particular types of questions that you struggle on while taking the test or quiz, perhaps your instructor can provide some suggestions on how you can improve your test taking skills, or clarify the information so you understand it better for the test or quiz.
> 
> Anyway, I hope these suggestions help you do better on your next test or quiz.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ahbee 
> Orton via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 11:05 AM
> To: Aleeha Dudley via Nabs-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Ahbee Orton <ahbeeorton at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Accommodations on tests especially math and science 
> ones
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> I'm wondering how long do you get on your tests, especially math and  science ones? I ahve double time right now, but I was wondering if this is enough, because I took a test yesterday and it went ten minutes over the double time. I got a high score and finished my test. The other students are supposed to turn in what they have by the end of the class, so if I follow double time, I would have probably have gotten a lower score due to not finishing one question. Is this fair, and how do you take your tests? I've been taking  my science science tests and most of my math tests on my iPad with my Focus 40 Braille display and a bluetooth keyboard. It may speed up the pace to do it on the Brailler. What do you all think? Thanks so much! I'm just worried that I won't get all the questions answered in double time next time. What do I do? I've taken some math tests that I went over double time, and they didn't make a big deal out of it, but now, they are. I'm kinda stressed out worrying about my future tests and not getting finished in that time frame. 
> 
> Warmly,
> Ahbee
> 
> ?Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.?
> 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 13:43:02 -0500
From: Bobbi Pompey <pompey2010 at yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accommodations on tests especially math and
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Hello ahbee, 

I had time and a half for most of my tests. Unless they involved things that would take me more time to do. 

also, I would advise you to remember that your sighted peers may not be finishing the test either. So it is unfair for us to receive ample time to finish if the same is not given to our peers. 

HTH, 


Bobbi A. L. Pompey
(336) 988-6375
bobbipompey at gmail.com

"Not everything faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced" James Baldwin 

> On Mar 7, 2017, at 1:13 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Ahbee,
> 
> I use time and a half for my tests and quizzes, and I feel like this is enough time for me to complete my tests and quizzes. I generally use either a computer with a screen reader on it, a human reader, or some combination of these two accommodations for my tests and quizzes. In most cases I feel like I am able to complete the test or quiz in the same amount of time as my sighted peers. 
> 
> However, I like having the extra time in case something goes wrong with the technology or if I encounter a problem with the reader. I do not have any control over the reader I am given by the disabilities office. So if I am given a reader I have never worked with before who may not necessarily be familiar with the material on the test or quiz, it can sometimes be a bit of a challenge working with the reader.
> 
> I feel like double time should be enough time for you to finish a test or a quiz. However, there could be a couple of different reasons why you may have a difficult time completing a test or a quiz in this amount of time. First, it could indicate that you do not know the material enough for the test or quiz. In this case, you may wish to study more to prepare for the test or the quiz. Second, it could be that you are simply not good at taking tests or quizzes, and you could benefit from learning strategies to help you take tests and quizzes better.
> 
> Finally, as you have suggested, it is possible you are using the wrong accommodations for your test or quiz. IF you find the first two reasons I mentioned do not apply to you or your situation, you may wish to change the accommodations you use for your tests and quizzes.
> 
> A good way to find out whether or not an accommodation works well for a test or a quiz is to use it when studying for the test or the quiz. If the accommodation works well for you when studying for the test or quiz, then it will most likely work well for you during the test or quiz. Another way to see if an accommodation works well for a test or a quiz is to take a practice test or quiz if it is available.
> 
> Finally, if you feel like you are really struggling on your tests or quizzes, talk to your instructor to see if they can give you any tips or suggestions on how you might be able to do better on their tests and quizzes. If there are particular types of questions that you struggle on while taking the test or quiz, perhaps your instructor can provide some suggestions on how you can improve your test taking skills, or clarify the information so you understand it better for the test or quiz.
> 
> Anyway, I hope these suggestions help you do better on your next test or quiz.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ahbee 
> Orton via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 11:05 AM
> To: Aleeha Dudley via Nabs-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Ahbee Orton <ahbeeorton at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Accommodations on tests especially math and science 
> ones
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> I'm wondering how long do you get on your tests, especially math and  science ones? I ahve double time right now, but I was wondering if this is enough, because I took a test yesterday and it went ten minutes over the double time. I got a high score and finished my test. The other students are supposed to turn in what they have by the end of the class, so if I follow double time, I would have probably have gotten a lower score due to not finishing one question. Is this fair, and how do you take your tests? I've been taking  my science science tests and most of my math tests on my iPad with my Focus 40 Braille display and a bluetooth keyboard. It may speed up the pace to do it on the Brailler. What do you all think? Thanks so much! I'm just worried that I won't get all the questions answered in double time next time. What do I do? I've taken some math tests that I went over double time, and they didn't make a big deal out of it, but now, they are. I'm kinda stressed out worrying about my future tests and not getting finished in that time frame. 
> 
> Warmly,
> Ahbee
> 
> ?Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.?
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 13:50:04 -0500
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On my math and science tests, I use time and a half. I use my braillenote apex. I usually finish with time to spare.

On 3/7/17, Bobbi Pompey via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello ahbee,
>
> I had time and a half for most of my tests. Unless they involved 
> things that would take me more time to do.
>
> also, I would advise you to remember that your sighted peers may not 
> be finishing the test either. So it is unfair for us to receive ample 
> time to finish if the same is not given to our peers.
>
> HTH,
>
>
> Bobbi A. L. Pompey
> (336) 988-6375
> bobbipompey at gmail.com
>
> "Not everything faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until 
> it is faced" James Baldwin
>
>> On Mar 7, 2017, at 1:13 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Ahbee,
>>
>> I use time and a half for my tests and quizzes, and I feel like this 
>> is enough time for me to complete my tests and quizzes. I generally 
>> use either a computer with a screen reader on it, a human reader, or 
>> some combination of these two accommodations for my tests and 
>> quizzes. In most cases I feel like I am able to complete the test or 
>> quiz in the same amount of time as my sighted peers.
>>
>> However, I like having the extra time in case something goes wrong 
>> with the technology or if I encounter a problem with the reader. I do 
>> not have any control over the reader I am given by the disabilities 
>> office. So if I am given a reader I have never worked with before who 
>> may not necessarily be familiar with the material on the test or 
>> quiz, it can sometimes be a bit of a challenge working with the reader.
>>
>> I feel like double time should be enough time for you to finish a 
>> test or a quiz. However, there could be a couple of different reasons 
>> why you may have a difficult time completing a test or a quiz in this amount of time.
>> First, it could indicate that you do not know the material enough for 
>> the test or quiz. In this case, you may wish to study more to prepare 
>> for the test or the quiz. Second, it could be that you are simply not 
>> good at taking tests or quizzes, and you could benefit from learning 
>> strategies to help you take tests and quizzes better.
>>
>> Finally, as you have suggested, it is possible you are using the 
>> wrong accommodations for your test or quiz. IF you find the first two 
>> reasons I mentioned do not apply to you or your situation, you may 
>> wish to change the accommodations you use for your tests and quizzes.
>>
>> A good way to find out whether or not an accommodation works well for 
>> a test or a quiz is to use it when studying for the test or the quiz. 
>> If the accommodation works well for you when studying for the test or 
>> quiz, then it will most likely work well for you during the test or 
>> quiz. Another way to see if an accommodation works well for a test or 
>> a quiz is to take a practice test or quiz if it is available.
>>
>> Finally, if you feel like you are really struggling on your tests or 
>> quizzes, talk to your instructor to see if they can give you any tips 
>> or suggestions on how you might be able to do better on their tests 
>> and quizzes. If there are particular types of questions that you 
>> struggle on while taking the test or quiz, perhaps your instructor 
>> can provide some suggestions on how you can improve your test taking 
>> skills, or clarify the information so you understand it better for the test or quiz.
>>
>> Anyway, I hope these suggestions help you do better on your next test 
>> or quiz.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>> Elizabeth
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ahbee 
>> Orton via NABS-L
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 11:05 AM
>> To: Aleeha Dudley via Nabs-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Ahbee Orton <ahbeeorton at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Accommodations on tests especially math and science 
>> ones
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> I'm wondering how long do you get on your tests, especially math and 
>> science ones? I ahve double time right now, but I was wondering if 
>> this is enough, because I took a test yesterday and it went ten 
>> minutes over the double time. I got a high score and finished my 
>> test. The other students are supposed to turn in what they have by 
>> the end of the class, so if I follow double time, I would have 
>> probably have gotten a lower score due to not finishing one question. Is this fair, and how do you take your tests?
>> I've been taking  my science science tests and most of my math tests 
>> on my iPad with my Focus 40 Braille display and a bluetooth keyboard. 
>> It may speed up the pace to do it on the Brailler. What do you all 
>> think? Thanks so much! I'm just worried that I won't get all the 
>> questions answered in double time next time. What do I do? I've taken 
>> some math tests that I went over double time, and they didn't make a 
>> big deal out of it, but now, they are. I'm kinda stressed out 
>> worrying about my future tests and not getting finished in that time frame.
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Ahbee
>>
>> ?Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, 
>> it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, 
>> it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not 
>> delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, 
>> always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.?
>> 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 19:46:34 +0000
From: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,	NFB Science and Engineering Division List
	<nfb-science at nfbnet.org>, "NFB of	Michigan Internet Mailing List"
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Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
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Hello All,

Please forgive the multiple posts. However, after sending my previous email, I was wondering if there might be any kind of standers or guidelines for reading materials for math or science classes. If there are any credible sources for standards or guidelines for reading materials for math or science classes, perhaps this might help me establish a good definition of a qualified reader for my math classes.

I understand some of you may believe that Braille is the only way to go in terms of being able to access materials for math classes. However, as I have already indicated, I do not know Braille well enough to use for my math classes. And as someone who grew up sighted, most of the time it is just easier for someone to read me a simple graphic or chart than it is for me to figure out how to read this information in Braille.

The types of graphics and charts that were included in the math class that I tried to take this semester included such things as number lines and a chart that was like an excel spreadsheet listing names of cities down one Colum and temperatures going down another Colum. I am not quite sure what might be included in the other math classes that I need to take to meet the university math requirement for the university I would like to be able to transfer to after completing my associates degree.

I am not looking to complete advance math classes here. I am simply trying to take what is required to meet the transfer requirements. However, I am not quite sure how to go about fulfilling my math requirement when the disabilities office at the community college that I attend does not appear to work with me so I can gain equal access to the course required for my math classes.

I do not know how else to gain access to the course materials required for my math classes, and so far the college does not agree with me on what constitutes as a qualified reader. So again, any assistance anyone could provide in helping me find a credible source for a good clear definition of qualified reader would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Elizabeth


------------------------------

Message: 9
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2017 15:04:33 -0800
From: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
	list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
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Hi Elizabeth,
I didn't know that there was such a thing as a "qualified" 
reader"-I have learned that there are volunteer and paid readers.  
I would think that the ideal math and science reader should be able to understand how to do all the basic math and science symbols.
I have a math reader.  I have the book in Braille, but it is to clarify with diagrams.  She's a freshman at my college also, and took the material I am currently taking last semester, so it is nice and fresh in her mind.  (As I mentioned awhile back in one of my other emails to you, my Disability Services chooses readers by departments, although I fully understand that yours are not
willing.)
I think the 2 best options are:
1.  Department of Rehab: How flexible are they? Ideally they should be able to pay for you to have a human reader if your DSS are unwilling.
2.  Find your own reader via church, putting up posters, or maybe even emailing your Dean? They might be able to connect you with some people.  Explain that you're looking for someone with basic math and science abilities.  Then I sofest interviewing them.  
Since you already tried to take that course this semester, you may already have some worksheets available.  Then you could ask them questions like, "What does this say?" Or "Can you read this?"
So I think your ideal reader should:
1.  Understand basic math and science skills (if they understand advanced, even better) 2.  Be willing to work with you and take your commands such as "slower" and "faster"
3.  Not have too heavy an accent.
Hope this helps,
Vejas


 ----- Original Message -----
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To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,NFB Science and Engineering Division List <nfb-science at nfbnet.org>, "NFB ofMichigan Internet Mailing List" 
<nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 19:46:34 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers

Hello All,

Please forgive the multiple posts.  However, after sending my previous email, I was wondering if there might be any kind of standers or guidelines for reading materials for math or science classes.  If there are any credible sources for standards or guidelines for reading materials for math or science classes, perhaps this might help me establish a good definition of a qualified reader for my math classes.

I understand some of you may believe that Braille is the only way to go in terms of being able to access materials for math classes.  However, as I have already indicated, I do not know Braille well enough to use for my math classes.  And as someone who grew up sighted, most of the time it is just easier for someone to read me a simple graphic or chart than it is for me to figure out how to read this information in Braille.

The types of graphics and charts that were included in the math class that I tried to take this semester included such things as number lines and a chart that was like an excel spreadsheet listing names of cities down one Colum and temperatures going down another Colum.  I am not quite sure what might be included in the other math classes that I need to take to meet the university math requirement for the university I would like to be able to transfer to after completing my associates degree.

I am not looking to complete advance math classes here.  I am simply trying to take what is required to meet the transfer requirements.  However, I am not quite sure how to go about fulfilling my math requirement when the disabilities office at the community college that I attend does not appear to work with me so I can gain equal access to the course required for my math classes.

I do not know how else to gain access to the course materials required for my math classes, and so far the college does not agree with me on what constitutes as a qualified reader.  So again, any assistance anyone could provide in helping me find a credible source for a good clear definition of qualified reader would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Elizabeth
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2017 22:11:23 -0800
From: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Music App on Iphone 6
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Hi All,
I have a question related to the I-Phone and was wondering if 
this might be a Voice-Over issue or if anyone has experienced 
this.  Sometimes, for no apparent reason, a track that I did not 
select will play when I am not even in the music app.  When I 
tried to close the music app in the app-switcher, I saw that I 
had not even had the music app open.  Does anyone know how I 
might be able to fix this?
Thanks,
Vejas



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From filerime at gmail.com  Wed Mar  8 23:40:34 2017
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 18:40:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] qualitative research software
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Hmm I use SPSS a lot but never used or heard about it for a
qualitative research.
Thanks for your reply Justin.



On 3/8/17, Justin Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> SASS or SPSS I think, but Ask Arielle because she is more familiar with
> this
> than I am.
>  Justin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elif Emir
> Öksüz
> via NABS-L
> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 9:17 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Elif Emir Öksüz <filerime at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] qualitative research software
>
> Hi all,
> I am about to analyse qualitative data. Does anyone know an accessible
> software to do that? If you just use Word and Excel, if you developed any
> methods, would you please share it with me?
> Or if you use something different, please let me know.
> Thanks in advance.
>
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Mar  8 23:42:39 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 18:42:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] qualitative research software
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Oh, I associated what you were doing with stats, maybe I'm wrong.
 Justin

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Hmm I use SPSS a lot but never used or heard about it for a qualitative research.
Thanks for your reply Justin.



On 3/8/17, Justin Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> SASS or SPSS I think, but Ask Arielle because she is more familiar 
> with this than I am.
>  Justin
>
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> Öksüz via NABS-L
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> Cc: Elif Emir Öksüz <filerime at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] qualitative research software
>
> Hi all,
> I am about to analyse qualitative data. Does anyone know an accessible 
> software to do that? If you just use Word and Excel, if you developed 
> any methods, would you please share it with me?
> Or if you use something different, please let me know.
> Thanks in advance.
>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Mar  9 00:26:04 2017
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2017 18:26:04 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Music App on Iphone 6
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The command to start and stop music is a two-finger double tap.  This 
has happened to me, and I suspect you issued the command somehow 
without realizing it.


Dave

At 12:11 AM 3/8/2017, you wrote:
>Hi All,
>I have a question related to the I-Phone and was wondering if this 
>might be a Voice-Over issue or if anyone has experienced 
>this.  Sometimes, for no apparent reason, a track that I did not 
>select will play when I am not even in the music app.  When I tried 
>to close the music app in the app-switcher, I saw that I had not 
>even had the music app open.  Does anyone know how I might be able to fix this?
>Thanks,
>Vejas



From filerime at gmail.com  Thu Mar  9 21:45:15 2017
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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 16:45:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] qualitative research software
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no this is about words instead of numbers.
but thanks for your reply

On 3/8/17, Justin Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Oh, I associated what you were doing with stats, maybe I'm wrong.
>  Justin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elif Emir Öksüz
> via NABS-L
> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 6:41 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Elif Emir Öksüz <filerime at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] qualitative research software
>
> Hmm I use SPSS a lot but never used or heard about it for a qualitative
> research.
> Thanks for your reply Justin.
>
>
>
> On 3/8/17, Justin Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> SASS or SPSS I think, but Ask Arielle because she is more familiar
>> with this than I am.
>>  Justin
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elif Emir
>> Öksüz via NABS-L
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 9:17 AM
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>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Elif Emir Öksüz <filerime at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] qualitative research software
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I am about to analyse qualitative data. Does anyone know an accessible
>> software to do that? If you just use Word and Excel, if you developed
>> any methods, would you please share it with me?
>> Or if you use something different, please let me know.
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
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From codeofdusk at gmail.com  Thu Mar  9 21:57:05 2017
From: codeofdusk at gmail.com (Bill Dengler (Outlook on Windows 10))
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 21:57:05 -0000
Subject: [nabs-l] International Baccalaureate
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Hello,

If you are an IB diploma candidate or recipient, please write me off list.

I'm a year 1 candidate and would be interested to hear your experiences as
well as discuss/collect some accessible IB resources.

 

Thanks,

Bill

 


From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 10 01:23:51 2017
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 01:23:51 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] qualitative research software
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Hello Elif,

I think it can be easy to confuse qualitative data with quantitative data as I tend to do it myself even though I know the difference between these two types of data.

Unless you are being required to use computer software to analyze the data for your research project, it may be possible to analyze your data without using computer software. If I recall correctly, I remember Cindy Bennett asking the same question a while ago. I think Arielle Silverman posted a good response about how to analyze qualitative data without using computer software. Let me see if I can find her response to this question.

However, if you are specifically looking to use computer software to analyze your qualitative data, I would suggest that you contact Cindy Bennett at clb5590 at gmail.com to see what program would be the most accessible.

So far my qualitative research projects have been rather small, so I do not have any personal experience using any computer software programs to analyze my data.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

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no this is about words instead of numbers.
but thanks for your reply

On 3/8/17, Justin Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Oh, I associated what you were doing with stats, maybe I'm wrong.
>  Justin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elif Emir Öksüz
> via NABS-L
> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 6:41 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Elif Emir Öksüz <filerime at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] qualitative research software
>
> Hmm I use SPSS a lot but never used or heard about it for a qualitative
> research.
> Thanks for your reply Justin.
>
>
>
> On 3/8/17, Justin Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> SASS or SPSS I think, but Ask Arielle because she is more familiar
>> with this than I am.
>>  Justin
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elif Emir
>> Öksüz via NABS-L
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 9:17 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Elif Emir Öksüz <filerime at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] qualitative research software
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I am about to analyse qualitative data. Does anyone know an accessible
>> software to do that? If you just use Word and Excel, if you developed
>> any methods, would you please share it with me?
>> Or if you use something different, please let me know.
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 10 01:32:14 2017
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 01:32:14 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] FW:  Analyzing Qualitative Data with Software
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Hello Elif,

Here is the post I found that was posted by Arielle Silverman in regards to analyzing qualitative data. Perhaps you might find this post to be helpful. However, if you are specifically looking to use a computer program to help you analyze your qualitative data, I would suggest contacting Cindy Bennett. I believe she would be able to suggest a computer program that would be the most accessible, and would most likely be able to help you figure out how to successfully use the computer program with a screen reader.

I hope this information helps you analyze the qualitative data for your research project.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Analyzing Qualitative Data with Software

Hi Cindy,
I have little experience with qualitative data and have never used qualitative software. However, I recently prepared a qualitative summary of some focus group data by hand, and it was a very manageable task. My colleague coded the same data using software and our reports were quite similar. So I'm not convinced that qualitative software is actually required, and if it carries accessibility hassles, then coding by hand might end up being easier. Basically coding just involves creating categories based on common themes you observe in the transcript and then going through and assigning each participant comment to one of the categories you create. I think the software may help visually organize the data, but I'm not sure how much benefit you would actually get from using software, unless you need to use it for a qualitative software class. Others with mor qualitative experience thanI might be able to comment further.
Best Arielle

On 3/12/15, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Has anyone ever used a software to assist in analyzing their 
> qualitative data? If so, I would love to hear from you before trying a 
> bunch of options that may or may not be accessible.
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Cindy Bennett
> 1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington Human Centered Design 
> and Engineering
>
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> Affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind
>
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 10 20:03:04 2017
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 15:03:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] CItation managers and Jaws or NVDA
Message-ID: <CAFja7FZ85KDW0xo5mwAR318RS0dwOqWf-pjcqoJsb5S1fzVBvQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Sorry for the cross-posting, but I'm hoping to find any answers there
might be to my questions fairly quickly.  I'm no worse off if nothing
comes from this discussion, but it would be really helpful with a
project I'm working on if information about accessibility and using
these software programs/methods is out there.

First, I'm wondering if anyone has experience using Mendeley for
organizing citations with Jaws or NVDA.  What about End Note or
Zotero?  I'm hoping Mendeley is usable as I'm on a student budget, but
if End Note or Zotero are markedly more accessible, I'd be interested
in trying them.  My Jaws is 13, but my NVDA is up-to-date.

Second, I'm about to make a matrix for organizing and analyzing my
sources.  I was thinking of just doing this in excel, but if there are
better/more accessible methods for this organization I'd love to hear
them before I put the time into making a huge matrix.  I have 11
sources so far, but still have time to gather books and articles from
related fields.

The study I'm designing has the aim of identifying barriers in
training for blind undergraduate music therapy students, as well as
the accommodations that could be made for them in their clinical
training to optimize training outcomes.  The assignment for this class
is to complete a perspectus and the literature review, so the study
will be well on its way to being organized by the time we leave school
and can be presented to graduate schools if/when we apply.  Having
methods for managing my citations and organizing my information will
be helpful, as due to the literature gap in my field I'm pulling
resources from disability studies, psychology, and education from
journals I'm not very familiar with.  Any suggestions or feedback
based on professional/student research experiences would be
appreciated.


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 10 20:08:21 2017
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 15:08:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Music App on Iphone 6
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Hi Vejas,

To echo David Andrews, I suspect that is the case as well.
Sometimeseven if you double-tap and just accidentally hit a second
finger on the screen once, the IPhone will take that as a two-finger
double-tap.  I just tested it after making sure my music app was
closed, and it shuffled my library automatically.

Another possibility might be that Siri is picking up on noise.
Sometimes, if my phone is in my pocket or a bag, the home button might
get pressed and SIri will pick up on speech it hears around.  I've
pulled my phone out of my bag to find it playing music before, and
suspect that is the case.  Sometimes if you have headphones in and the
play button on the remote is pressed, the play button could start your
music playing, too.

HTH

On 3/8/17, David Andrews via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> The command to start and stop music is a two-finger double tap.  This
> has happened to me, and I suspect you issued the command somehow
> without realizing it.
>
>
> Dave
>
> At 12:11 AM 3/8/2017, you wrote:
>>Hi All,
>>I have a question related to the I-Phone and was wondering if this
>>might be a Voice-Over issue or if anyone has experienced
>>this.  Sometimes, for no apparent reason, a track that I did not
>>select will play when I am not even in the music app.  When I tried
>>to close the music app in the app-switcher, I saw that I had not
>>even had the music app open.  Does anyone know how I might be able to fix
>> this?
>>Thanks,
>>Vejas
>
>
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From shannoncantan.nfb at gmail.com  Sat Mar 11 02:25:43 2017
From: shannoncantan.nfb at gmail.com (Shannon Cantan)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 16:25:43 -1000
Subject: [nabs-l] 50th Anniversary Committee
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Aloha students,

As a reminder, the inaugural meeting for the NABS 50th Anniversary Committee will be taking place this  Sunday 8PM EST on the NABS conference line.  We have many things to plan/ discuss in preparation for National Convention, so please come with your usual energy, creativity, and passion.

Please call 605-475-6700
Code 7869673

If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me off list.  

Best Regards,
Shannon KS Cantan

From filerime at gmail.com  Sat Mar 11 02:27:00 2017
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 21:27:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Analyzing Qualitative Data with Software
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Hello Elizabeth,
Thank you very very much for digging into the list-serve archive, and
sharing it with me. It was really helpful.
I think I may go into coding by hand instead of trying bunch of
options. This post from Arielle encouraged me to do that.
I am still collecting data. I will try and see.
Have a great weekend.



On 3/9/17, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Elif,
>
> Here is the post I found that was posted by Arielle Silverman in regards to
> analyzing qualitative data. Perhaps you might find this post to be helpful.
> However, if you are specifically looking to use a computer program to help
> you analyze your qualitative data, I would suggest contacting Cindy Bennett.
> I believe she would be able to suggest a computer program that would be the
> most accessible, and would most likely be able to help you figure out how to
> successfully use the computer program with a screen reader.
>
> I hope this information helps you analyze the qualitative data for your
> research project.
>
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
> Silverman via nabs-l
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:27 PM
> To: Cindy Bennett <clb5590 at gmail.com>; National Association of Blind
> Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Analyzing Qualitative Data with Software
>
> Hi Cindy,
> I have little experience with qualitative data and have never used
> qualitative software. However, I recently prepared a qualitative summary of
> some focus group data by hand, and it was a very manageable task. My
> colleague coded the same data using software and our reports were quite
> similar. So I'm not convinced that qualitative software is actually
> required, and if it carries accessibility hassles, then coding by hand might
> end up being easier. Basically coding just involves creating categories
> based on common themes you observe in the transcript and then going through
> and assigning each participant comment to one of the categories you create.
> I think the software may help visually organize the data, but I'm not sure
> how much benefit you would actually get from using software, unless you need
> to use it for a qualitative software class. Others with mor qualitative
> experience thanI might be able to comment further.
> Best Arielle
>
> On 3/12/15, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Has anyone ever used a software to assist in analyzing their
>> qualitative data? If so, I would love to hear from you before trying a
>> bunch of options that may or may not be accessible.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> --
>> Cindy Bennett
>> 1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington Human Centered Design
>> and Engineering
>>
>> Treasurer of the National Federation of the Blind of Washington an
>> Affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind
>>
>> clb5590 at gmail.com
>>
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From filerime at gmail.com  Sat Mar 11 02:30:27 2017
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 21:30:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] qualitative research software
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Thank you Elizabet. I don't have to use a software, so I think I won't
try it now.
Thank you for detailed response.
I may contact Cindy in the future to she what she did.
Warmly
Elif



On 3/9/17, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Elif,
>
> I think it can be easy to confuse qualitative data with quantitative data as
> I tend to do it myself even though I know the difference between these two
> types of data.
>
> Unless you are being required to use computer software to analyze the data
> for your research project, it may be possible to analyze your data without
> using computer software. If I recall correctly, I remember Cindy Bennett
> asking the same question a while ago. I think Arielle Silverman posted a
> good response about how to analyze qualitative data without using computer
> software. Let me see if I can find her response to this question.
>
> However, if you are specifically looking to use computer software to analyze
> your qualitative data, I would suggest that you contact Cindy Bennett at
> clb5590 at gmail.com to see what program would be the most accessible.
>
> So far my qualitative research projects have been rather small, so I do not
> have any personal experience using any computer software programs to analyze
> my data.
>
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elif Emir Öksüz
> via NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 4:45 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Elif Emir Öksüz <filerime at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] qualitative research software
>
> no this is about words instead of numbers.
> but thanks for your reply
>
> On 3/8/17, Justin Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Oh, I associated what you were doing with stats, maybe I'm wrong.
>>  Justin
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elif Emir
>> Öksüz
>> via NABS-L
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 6:41 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Elif Emir Öksüz <filerime at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] qualitative research software
>>
>> Hmm I use SPSS a lot but never used or heard about it for a qualitative
>> research.
>> Thanks for your reply Justin.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/8/17, Justin Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> SASS or SPSS I think, but Ask Arielle because she is more familiar
>>> with this than I am.
>>>  Justin
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elif Emir
>>> Öksüz via NABS-L
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 9:17 AM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Elif Emir Öksüz <filerime at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] qualitative research software
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I am about to analyse qualitative data. Does anyone know an accessible
>>> software to do that? If you just use Word and Excel, if you developed
>>> any methods, would you please share it with me?
>>> Or if you use something different, please let me know.
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Sat Mar 11 15:47:29 2017
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster, NABS President)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 10:47:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] YOU'RE INVITED: Join the National Association of Blind
 Students 50th Anniversary Planning Committee
Message-ID: <000001d29a7e$cbb04790$6310d6b0$@gmail.com>

Fellow students,

 

                It's a monumental time for NABS to be alive and well,
breaking down society's misconceptions of blind students each day. This
year, especially, we are marveling over the work we have done over the past
half century and celebrating our successes and progress moving forward. As
the 50th anniversary of the national Association of Blind Students comes
upon us this July, we find it important to honor our national student
division of the National Federation of the Blind in every way it deserves.
We are strong, proud, lively, and committed to improving the lives of blind
students and building our movement.

 

With this, the NABS 50th Anniversary Planning Committee has been tasked with
coordinating, collaborating, and implementing events, meetings, and
opportunities for interaction at this year's National Federation of the
Blind national Convention. It is significant to have our members' input in
spearheading such efforts. So, I invite you to join our committee on Sunday,
March 12, 2017 at 8pm eastern for the inaugural meeting of the 50th
Anniversary Planning Committee. I also encourage you to reach out to our
appointed Chair, Shannon Cantan, to brainstorm ideas prior to the committee
call.

 

I am eager to hear from our membership in coordinating an incredible NABS
presence at this year's Convention. Please direct questions to Shannon
Cantan at shannoncantan.nfb at gmail.com <mailto:shannoncantan.nfb at gmail.com> .

 

I look forward to dreaming big with our imaginative minds next Sunday, March
12 at 9pm eastern.

 

Call: 605-475-6700;

  Access code: 7869673.

 

Let's go build the Federation,

Kathryn Webster

President | National Association of Blind Students


From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sat Mar 11 18:32:28 2017
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 18:32:28 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
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References: <58bf3ca6.4c43620a.bdf84.4b91@mx.google.com>
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Hello Vejas,

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my message. I agree with everything you mention in your email. However, the current personnel of my college disabilities office does not necessarily agree that my reader needs to be proficient in math in order to be a reader for math. I have not been successful in arguing for the use of my own readers instead of the readers they assign to me from the disabilities office either. 

Since I do not know Braille well enough to use in a college level math class, nor do I believe I will ever have the Braille skills to use Braille in a college level math class, I do not know how to gain equal access to the course materials required for my math classes besides the use of a reader who is proficient in reading math. Therefore, I am looking for credible sources regarding the definition of a qualified reader as this is the term that is used in the Americans With Disabilities Act as a reasonable accommodation.

Right now I feel as though the disabilities office is simply putting up roadblocks that are only preventing me from being able to use the accommodations I need to successfully complete my math requirements required for my degree and transfer requirements. And so now I need to go write the complaint form that I need to file within my college so maybe I might be able to receive the accommodations I need to receive equal access to the course materials required for my math classes.

Thanks,
Elizabeth




-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 6:05 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers

Hi Elizabeth,
I didn't know that there was such a thing as a "qualified" 
reader"-I have learned that there are volunteer and paid readers.  
I would think that the ideal math and science reader should be able to understand how to do all the basic math and science symbols.
I have a math reader.  I have the book in Braille, but it is to clarify with diagrams.  She's a freshman at my college also, and took the material I am currently taking last semester, so it is nice and fresh in her mind.  (As I mentioned awhile back in one of my other emails to you, my Disability Services chooses readers by departments, although I fully understand that yours are not
willing.)
I think the 2 best options are:
1.  Department of Rehab: How flexible are they? Ideally they should be able to pay for you to have a human reader if your DSS are unwilling.
2.  Find your own reader via church, putting up posters, or maybe even emailing your Dean? They might be able to connect you with some people.  Explain that you're looking for someone with basic math and science abilities.  Then I sofest interviewing them.  
Since you already tried to take that course this semester, you may already have some worksheets available.  Then you could ask them questions like, "What does this say?" Or "Can you read this?"
So I think your ideal reader should:
1.  Understand basic math and science skills (if they understand advanced, even better) 2.  Be willing to work with you and take your commands such as "slower" and "faster"
3.  Not have too heavy an accent.
Hope this helps,
Vejas


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,NFB Science and Engineering Division List <nfb-science at nfbnet.org>, "NFB ofMichigan Internet Mailing List" 
<nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 19:46:34 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers

Hello All,

Please forgive the multiple posts.  However, after sending my previous email, I was wondering if there might be any kind of standers or guidelines for reading materials for math or science classes.  If there are any credible sources for standards or guidelines for reading materials for math or science classes, perhaps this might help me establish a good definition of a qualified reader for my math classes.

I understand some of you may believe that Braille is the only way to go in terms of being able to access materials for math classes.  However, as I have already indicated, I do not know Braille well enough to use for my math classes.  And as someone who grew up sighted, most of the time it is just easier for someone to read me a simple graphic or chart than it is for me to figure out how to read this information in Braille.

The types of graphics and charts that were included in the math class that I tried to take this semester included such things as number lines and a chart that was like an excel spreadsheet listing names of cities down one Colum and temperatures going down another Colum.  I am not quite sure what might be included in the other math classes that I need to take to meet the university math requirement for the university I would like to be able to transfer to after completing my associates degree.

I am not looking to complete advance math classes here.  I am simply trying to take what is required to meet the transfer requirements.  However, I am not quite sure how to go about fulfilling my math requirement when the disabilities office at the community college that I attend does not appear to work with me so I can gain equal access to the course required for my math classes.

I do not know how else to gain access to the course materials required for my math classes, and so far the college does not agree with me on what constitutes as a qualified reader.  So again, any assistance anyone could provide in helping me find a credible source for a good clear definition of qualified reader would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Elizabeth
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Mar 11 21:28:53 2017
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 16:28:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] useful podcasts and conference lines
Message-ID: <986265D2E6DB4FE288A37A95B0302B36@OwnerPC>

Hi all,

I’m looking for resources for someone new to blindness and myself. I wanted resources about blindness technology, daily living and support groups.

What podcasts and chat lines might be useful for this? I know about Hadley Seminars which are archived. I’ve found them very useful and I’m downloading those for this person. I also use FS CAST, the podcast of Freedom Scientific. What other podcasts might be useful?

Thanks.

Ashley

From theweird1 at mediacombb.net  Sun Mar 12 01:52:40 2017
From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 19:52:40 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] useful podcasts and conference lines
In-Reply-To: moajcCJ4ePMhHmoamcqyMI
References: moajcCJ4ePMhHmoamcqyMI
Message-ID: <003101d29ad3$55e93710$01bba530$@mediacombb.net>

The ones from blind bargains are very good.  

Loren 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 3:29 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Ashley Bramlett
Subject: [nabs-l] useful podcasts and conference lines

Hi all,

I’m looking for resources for someone new to blindness and myself. I wanted resources about blindness technology, daily living and support groups.

What podcasts and chat lines might be useful for this? I know about Hadley Seminars which are archived. I’ve found them very useful and I’m downloading those for this person. I also use FS CAST, the podcast of Freedom Scientific. What other podcasts might be useful?

Thanks.

Ashley
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From spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net  Sun Mar 12 02:22:39 2017
From: spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net (Jen)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 21:22:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR1201MB0092C909C70D626ED5AD7B0EBA230@DM5PR1201MB0092.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <58bf3ca6.4c43620a.bdf84.4b91@mx.google.com>
	<DM5PR1201MB0092C909C70D626ED5AD7B0EBA230@DM5PR1201MB0092.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <000001d29ad7$87996970$96cc3c50$@sbcglobal.net>

Hi Elizabeth,

Re: "nor do I believe I will ever have the Braille skills to use Braille in
a college-level math class"

I can feel the frustration and pain in your post. It must be difficult
navigating college and blindness at the same time. Although I am not an
older student, I can say it's never too late to learn alternative
techniques.

Jen

spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net

-----Original Message-----


From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Mohnke via NABS-L
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 1:32 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers

Hello Vejas,

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my message. I agree with
everything you mention in your email. However, the current personnel of my
college disabilities office does not necessarily agree that my reader needs
to be proficient in math in order to be a reader for math. I have not been
successful in arguing for the use of my own readers instead of the readers
they assign to me from the disabilities office either. 

Since I do not know Braille well enough to use in a college level math
class, nor do I believe I will ever have the Braille skills to use Braille
in a college level math class, I do not know how to gain equal access to the
course materials required for my math classes besides the use of a reader
who is proficient in reading math. Therefore, I am looking for credible
sources regarding the definition of a qualified reader as this is the term
that is used in the Americans With Disabilities Act as a reasonable
accommodation.

Right now I feel as though the disabilities office is simply putting up
roadblocks that are only preventing me from being able to use the
accommodations I need to successfully complete my math requirements required
for my degree and transfer requirements. And so now I need to go write the
complaint form that I need to file within my college so maybe I might be
able to receive the accommodations I need to receive equal access to the
course materials required for my math classes.

Thanks,
Elizabeth




-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 6:05 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers

Hi Elizabeth,
I didn't know that there was such a thing as a "qualified" 
reader"-I have learned that there are volunteer and paid readers.  
I would think that the ideal math and science reader should be able to
understand how to do all the basic math and science symbols.
I have a math reader.  I have the book in Braille, but it is to clarify with
diagrams.  She's a freshman at my college also, and took the material I am
currently taking last semester, so it is nice and fresh in her mind.  (As I
mentioned awhile back in one of my other emails to you, my Disability
Services chooses readers by departments, although I fully understand that
yours are not
willing.)
I think the 2 best options are:
1.  Department of Rehab: How flexible are they? Ideally they should be able
to pay for you to have a human reader if your DSS are unwilling.
2.  Find your own reader via church, putting up posters, or maybe even
emailing your Dean? They might be able to connect you with some people.
Explain that you're looking for someone with basic math and science
abilities.  Then I sofest interviewing them.  
Since you already tried to take that course this semester, you may already
have some worksheets available.  Then you could ask them questions like,
"What does this say?" Or "Can you read this?"
So I think your ideal reader should:
1.  Understand basic math and science skills (if they understand advanced,
even better) 2.  Be willing to work with you and take your commands such as
"slower" and "faster"
3.  Not have too heavy an accent.
Hope this helps,
Vejas


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,NFB Science and Engineering Division List
<nfb-science at nfbnet.org>, "NFB ofMichigan Internet Mailing List" 
<nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 19:46:34 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers

Hello All,

Please forgive the multiple posts.  However, after sending my previous
email, I was wondering if there might be any kind of standers or guidelines
for reading materials for math or science classes.  If there are any
credible sources for standards or guidelines for reading materials for math
or science classes, perhaps this might help me establish a good definition
of a qualified reader for my math classes.

I understand some of you may believe that Braille is the only way to go in
terms of being able to access materials for math classes.  However, as I
have already indicated, I do not know Braille well enough to use for my math
classes.  And as someone who grew up sighted, most of the time it is just
easier for someone to read me a simple graphic or chart than it is for me to
figure out how to read this information in Braille.

The types of graphics and charts that were included in the math class that I
tried to take this semester included such things as number lines and a chart
that was like an excel spreadsheet listing names of cities down one Colum
and temperatures going down another Colum.  I am not quite sure what might
be included in the other math classes that I need to take to meet the
university math requirement for the university I would like to be able to
transfer to after completing my associates degree.

I am not looking to complete advance math classes here.  I am simply trying
to take what is required to meet the transfer requirements.  However, I am
not quite sure how to go about fulfilling my math requirement when the
disabilities office at the community college that I attend does not appear
to work with me so I can gain equal access to the course required for my
math classes.

I do not know how else to gain access to the course materials required for
my math classes, and so far the college does not agree with me on what
constitutes as a qualified reader.  So again, any assistance anyone could
provide in helping me find a credible source for a good clear definition of
qualified reader would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Elizabeth
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 12 02:31:38 2017
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 02:31:38 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
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Hello Jen,

Thank you for your encouragement to continue to learn alternative techniques as an older non-traditional student. I plan to continue to use and improve upon my Braille skills while completing the rest of my college classes. However, I personally do not know of anyone who has learned Braille as an older adult who is able to use it as a primary mode of communication in college level classes. Therefore, I feel as though I am simply being realistic regarding my own personal goals.

Thanks,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 9:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers

Hi Elizabeth,

Re: "nor do I believe I will ever have the Braille skills to use Braille in a college-level math class"

I can feel the frustration and pain in your post. It must be difficult navigating college and blindness at the same time. Although I am not an older student, I can say it's never too late to learn alternative techniques.

Jen

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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers

Hello Vejas,

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my message. I agree with everything you mention in your email. However, the current personnel of my college disabilities office does not necessarily agree that my reader needs to be proficient in math in order to be a reader for math. I have not been successful in arguing for the use of my own readers instead of the readers they assign to me from the disabilities office either. 

Since I do not know Braille well enough to use in a college level math class, nor do I believe I will ever have the Braille skills to use Braille in a college level math class, I do not know how to gain equal access to the course materials required for my math classes besides the use of a reader who is proficient in reading math. Therefore, I am looking for credible sources regarding the definition of a qualified reader as this is the term that is used in the Americans With Disabilities Act as a reasonable accommodation.

Right now I feel as though the disabilities office is simply putting up roadblocks that are only preventing me from being able to use the accommodations I need to successfully complete my math requirements required for my degree and transfer requirements. And so now I need to go write the complaint form that I need to file within my college so maybe I might be able to receive the accommodations I need to receive equal access to the course materials required for my math classes.

Thanks,
Elizabeth




-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 6:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers

Hi Elizabeth,
I didn't know that there was such a thing as a "qualified" 
reader"-I have learned that there are volunteer and paid readers.  
I would think that the ideal math and science reader should be able to understand how to do all the basic math and science symbols.
I have a math reader.  I have the book in Braille, but it is to clarify with diagrams.  She's a freshman at my college also, and took the material I am currently taking last semester, so it is nice and fresh in her mind.  (As I mentioned awhile back in one of my other emails to you, my Disability Services chooses readers by departments, although I fully understand that yours are not
willing.)
I think the 2 best options are:
1.  Department of Rehab: How flexible are they? Ideally they should be able to pay for you to have a human reader if your DSS are unwilling.
2.  Find your own reader via church, putting up posters, or maybe even emailing your Dean? They might be able to connect you with some people.
Explain that you're looking for someone with basic math and science abilities.  Then I sofest interviewing them.  
Since you already tried to take that course this semester, you may already have some worksheets available.  Then you could ask them questions like, "What does this say?" Or "Can you read this?"
So I think your ideal reader should:
1.  Understand basic math and science skills (if they understand advanced, even better) 2.  Be willing to work with you and take your commands such as "slower" and "faster"
3.  Not have too heavy an accent.
Hope this helps,
Vejas


 ----- Original Message -----
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To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,NFB Science and Engineering Division List <nfb-science at nfbnet.org>, "NFB ofMichigan Internet Mailing List" 
<nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 19:46:34 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers

Hello All,

Please forgive the multiple posts.  However, after sending my previous email, I was wondering if there might be any kind of standers or guidelines for reading materials for math or science classes.  If there are any credible sources for standards or guidelines for reading materials for math or science classes, perhaps this might help me establish a good definition of a qualified reader for my math classes.

I understand some of you may believe that Braille is the only way to go in terms of being able to access materials for math classes.  However, as I have already indicated, I do not know Braille well enough to use for my math classes.  And as someone who grew up sighted, most of the time it is just easier for someone to read me a simple graphic or chart than it is for me to figure out how to read this information in Braille.

The types of graphics and charts that were included in the math class that I tried to take this semester included such things as number lines and a chart that was like an excel spreadsheet listing names of cities down one Colum and temperatures going down another Colum.  I am not quite sure what might be included in the other math classes that I need to take to meet the university math requirement for the university I would like to be able to transfer to after completing my associates degree.

I am not looking to complete advance math classes here.  I am simply trying to take what is required to meet the transfer requirements.  However, I am not quite sure how to go about fulfilling my math requirement when the disabilities office at the community college that I attend does not appear to work with me so I can gain equal access to the course required for my math classes.

I do not know how else to gain access to the course materials required for my math classes, and so far the college does not agree with me on what constitutes as a qualified reader.  So again, any assistance anyone could provide in helping me find a credible source for a good clear definition of qualified reader would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Elizabeth
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Sun Mar 12 03:27:51 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 19:27:51 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
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Have you ever thought of attending a blindness training center such as LCB, Blind Inc or CCB? You could learn Braille there. Some people will then go back to the same college with a fresh attitude, or just make a fresh start at a different college. You could also learn more about advocacy at the seminars at the centers.
Vejas

> On Mar 11, 2017, at 18:31, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Jen,
> 
> Thank you for your encouragement to continue to learn alternative techniques as an older non-traditional student. I plan to continue to use and improve upon my Braille skills while completing the rest of my college classes. However, I personally do not know of anyone who has learned Braille as an older adult who is able to use it as a primary mode of communication in college level classes. Therefore, I feel as though I am simply being realistic regarding my own personal goals.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jen via NABS-L
> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 9:23 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Jen <spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
> 
> Hi Elizabeth,
> 
> Re: "nor do I believe I will ever have the Braille skills to use Braille in a college-level math class"
> 
> I can feel the frustration and pain in your post. It must be difficult navigating college and blindness at the same time. Although I am not an older student, I can say it's never too late to learn alternative techniques.
> 
> Jen
> 
> spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> 
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 1:32 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
> 
> Hello Vejas,
> 
> Thank you for taking the time to respond to my message. I agree with everything you mention in your email. However, the current personnel of my college disabilities office does not necessarily agree that my reader needs to be proficient in math in order to be a reader for math. I have not been successful in arguing for the use of my own readers instead of the readers they assign to me from the disabilities office either. 
> 
> Since I do not know Braille well enough to use in a college level math class, nor do I believe I will ever have the Braille skills to use Braille in a college level math class, I do not know how to gain equal access to the course materials required for my math classes besides the use of a reader who is proficient in reading math. Therefore, I am looking for credible sources regarding the definition of a qualified reader as this is the term that is used in the Americans With Disabilities Act as a reasonable accommodation.
> 
> Right now I feel as though the disabilities office is simply putting up roadblocks that are only preventing me from being able to use the accommodations I need to successfully complete my math requirements required for my degree and transfer requirements. And so now I need to go write the complaint form that I need to file within my college so maybe I might be able to receive the accommodations I need to receive equal access to the course materials required for my math classes.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 6:05 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
> 
> Hi Elizabeth,
> I didn't know that there was such a thing as a "qualified" 
> reader"-I have learned that there are volunteer and paid readers.  
> I would think that the ideal math and science reader should be able to understand how to do all the basic math and science symbols.
> I have a math reader.  I have the book in Braille, but it is to clarify with diagrams.  She's a freshman at my college also, and took the material I am currently taking last semester, so it is nice and fresh in her mind.  (As I mentioned awhile back in one of my other emails to you, my Disability Services chooses readers by departments, although I fully understand that yours are not
> willing.)
> I think the 2 best options are:
> 1.  Department of Rehab: How flexible are they? Ideally they should be able to pay for you to have a human reader if your DSS are unwilling.
> 2.  Find your own reader via church, putting up posters, or maybe even emailing your Dean? They might be able to connect you with some people.
> Explain that you're looking for someone with basic math and science abilities.  Then I sofest interviewing them.  
> Since you already tried to take that course this semester, you may already have some worksheets available.  Then you could ask them questions like, "What does this say?" Or "Can you read this?"
> So I think your ideal reader should:
> 1.  Understand basic math and science skills (if they understand advanced, even better) 2.  Be willing to work with you and take your commands such as "slower" and "faster"
> 3.  Not have too heavy an accent.
> Hope this helps,
> Vejas
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,NFB Science and Engineering Division List <nfb-science at nfbnet.org>, "NFB ofMichigan Internet Mailing List" 
> <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 19:46:34 +0000
> Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Please forgive the multiple posts.  However, after sending my previous email, I was wondering if there might be any kind of standers or guidelines for reading materials for math or science classes.  If there are any credible sources for standards or guidelines for reading materials for math or science classes, perhaps this might help me establish a good definition of a qualified reader for my math classes.
> 
> I understand some of you may believe that Braille is the only way to go in terms of being able to access materials for math classes.  However, as I have already indicated, I do not know Braille well enough to use for my math classes.  And as someone who grew up sighted, most of the time it is just easier for someone to read me a simple graphic or chart than it is for me to figure out how to read this information in Braille.
> 
> The types of graphics and charts that were included in the math class that I tried to take this semester included such things as number lines and a chart that was like an excel spreadsheet listing names of cities down one Colum and temperatures going down another Colum.  I am not quite sure what might be included in the other math classes that I need to take to meet the university math requirement for the university I would like to be able to transfer to after completing my associates degree.
> 
> I am not looking to complete advance math classes here.  I am simply trying to take what is required to meet the transfer requirements.  However, I am not quite sure how to go about fulfilling my math requirement when the disabilities office at the community college that I attend does not appear to work with me so I can gain equal access to the course required for my math classes.
> 
> I do not know how else to gain access to the course materials required for my math classes, and so far the college does not agree with me on what constitutes as a qualified reader.  So again, any assistance anyone could provide in helping me find a credible source for a good clear definition of qualified reader would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
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From dragoshi11 at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 12 06:16:57 2017
From: dragoshi11 at hotmail.com (Rilind Dragoshi)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 06:16:57 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Analyzing Qualitative Data
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Hello Elif.
I'm Rilind, and I completed my B/A in Psychology with a thesis on academic performance and Self-efficacy. For qualitative research, I did not use any software. I believe there are some and Based on my textbook Exploring Research there a few, I'll quote a brief paragraph at the end (cited in APA of course. I'll also give some advice. Hopefully it will help. 
I didn't use software at the time though and honestly this research is so personal that in my view you have to know the data well in order to analyze it. 
Based on my textbook Exploring Research Edition some of the software types include QSR,, N6 which can allow you to code research categories and search for textual patterns and report generating data.;.
The paragraph in my textbook at the end of chapter seven reads """Research tools to help qualitative researchers were slow in coming, but they have recently become very sophisticated tools that greatly assist the tasks associated with the magnitude and potential complexity of large, qualitative data sets. QSR International (_
International) sells various software packages such as Scrapbook. Among the most popular (and one of the first but constantly improved) is N6 (which used to be called NUD*IST). With this software, you can do such things as work in plain text and automate clerical tasks, such as importing and coding research data, searching for text or coding patterns, or generat¬ing reports. They also market NVivo (which comes in a student edition), which allows the user to import, create and edit documents, code and annotate text, link project documents to one another (such as video and audio files), search for relationships between text, and create models of the user's data. 

Another program from ResearchWare (at http://www.researchware.com/) is HyperRESEARCH, which allows coding, analysis, and organization of data. HyperRESEARCH comes in a Mac version as well as a Windows version, and the company is considering generating a Linux version."
" (Salkind, 2012: 226).
Below I'll discuss what helped me in my own research however.
I sent you what I found in my textbook about software. I know little else about them including if they're free as I didn't need them in my research. However, what I found helped the most was a good method of analysis. In my case, I had done my research on self-efficacy and academic performance. In order to analyze the data, I had created themes for the various questions that were asked in the qualitative interviews, and divided up the analysis section of the research in to those different themes. For each question itself however, I compiled a file for each individual question with all the individual answers to each question, (placing the participant's characteristics beside each question.
For instance, mine were what were defined as high GPA and low GPA. I then analyzed each question's answers by indicating the incite gained from the participant's answers to each question for each category of participants, and analyzed and compared it with the literature in the field (which would be the literature in the lit review).
I'll try to put this in a list form so it's easier.
1.	Divide your questions in to categories, ideally the themes/categories being the ones that are in your literature review.
2.	Create a file for each qualitative question, and in that file copy and paste each answer to that particular question (answers to question 1, answers to question 2, etc.) In this way, when you are analysing the data, you will be able to open each question file separately and won't have to scan each participant's file every time you are analyzing a new question.
3.	
Categorise these answers to each question, those of question 1, those of question 2, etc., in to the various categories you are measuring. If you aren't measuring categories then this doesn't apply.
4.	In your analysis comment on the findings of each category for each question, comparing it to the literature. Also, as my thesis advisor said, it is okay to make some conclusions at the end. Biggest tip I have in that section, try to use the words connections, associations, and descriptive links, as if you are in a situation where you have a committee that is dealing with the thesis and has members who are more in the quantitative field they will point out that you can't use the word 
5.	Correlations etc, even if you are obviously using it in a qualitative sense.
Of course, in the report itself the info will be confidential and you won't likely include names, etc., the categorising is to help your personal analysis for the report.
I hope this helps:  Message here if you have any questions or feel free to email me at Dragoshi11 at hotmail.com also if you want.
Thanks:
Rilind.

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Hi all,

Sorry for the cross-posting, but I'm hoping to find any answers there might be to my questions fairly quickly.  I'm no worse off if nothing comes from this discussion, but it would be really helpful with a project I'm working on if information about accessibility and using these software programs/methods is out there.

First, I'm wondering if anyone has experience using Mendeley for organizing citations with Jaws or NVDA.  What about End Note or Zotero?  I'm hoping Mendeley is usable as I'm on a student budget, but if End Note or Zotero are markedly more accessible, I'd be interested in trying them.  My Jaws is 13, but my NVDA is up-to-date.

Second, I'm about to make a matrix for organizing and analyzing my sources.  I was thinking of just doing this in excel, but if there are better/more accessible methods for this organization I'd love to hear them before I put the time into making a huge matrix.  I have 11 sources so far, but still have time to gather books and articles from related fields.

The study I'm designing has the aim of identifying barriers in training for blind undergraduate music therapy students, as well as the accommodations that could be made for them in their clinical training to optimize training outcomes.  The assignment for this class is to complete a perspectus and the literature review, so the study will be well on its way to being organized by the time we leave school and can be presented to graduate schools if/when we apply.  Having methods for managing my citations and organizing my information will be helpful, as due to the literature gap in my field I'm pulling resources from disability studies, psychology, and education from journals I'm not very familiar with.  Any suggestions or feedback based on professional/student research experiences would be appreciated.



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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 15:08:21 -0500
From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music App on Iphone 6
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Hi Vejas,

To echo David Andrews, I suspect that is the case as well.
Sometimeseven if you double-tap and just accidentally hit a second finger on the screen once, the IPhone will take that as a two-finger double-tap.  I just tested it after making sure my music app was closed, and it shuffled my library automatically.

Another possibility might be that Siri is picking up on noise.
Sometimes, if my phone is in my pocket or a bag, the home button might get pressed and SIri will pick up on speech it hears around.  I've pulled my phone out of my bag to find it playing music before, and suspect that is the case.  Sometimes if you have headphones in and the play button on the remote is pressed, the play button could start your music playing, too.

HTH

On 3/8/17, David Andrews via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> The command to start and stop music is a two-finger double tap.  This 
> has happened to me, and I suspect you issued the command somehow 
> without realizing it.
>
>
> Dave
>
> At 12:11 AM 3/8/2017, you wrote:
>>Hi All,
>>I have a question related to the I-Phone and was wondering if this 
>>might be a Voice-Over issue or if anyone has experienced this.  
>>Sometimes, for no apparent reason, a track that I did not select will 
>>play when I am not even in the music app.  When I tried to close the 
>>music app in the app-switcher, I saw that I had not even had the music 
>>app open.  Does anyone know how I might be able to fix  this?
>>Thanks,
>>Vejas
>
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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 16:25:43 -1000
From: Shannon Cantan <shannoncantan.nfb at gmail.com>
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] 50th Anniversary Committee
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Aloha students,

As a reminder, the inaugural meeting for the NABS 50th Anniversary Committee will be taking place this  Sunday 8PM EST on the NABS conference line.  We have many things to plan/ discuss in preparation for National Convention, so please come with your usual energy, creativity, and passion.

Please call 605-475-6700
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If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me off list.  

Best Regards,
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 21:27:00 -0500
From: Elif Emir ?ks?z <filerime at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: Analyzing Qualitative Data with Software
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Hello Elizabeth,
Thank you very very much for digging into the list-serve archive, and
sharing it with me. It was really helpful.
I think I may go into coding by hand instead of trying bunch of
options. This post from Arielle encouraged me to do that.
I am still collecting data. I will try and see.
Have a great weekend.



On 3/9/17, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Elif,
>
> Here is the post I found that was posted by Arielle Silverman in regards to
> analyzing qualitative data. Perhaps you might find this post to be helpful.
> However, if you are specifically looking to use a computer program to help
> you analyze your qualitative data, I would suggest contacting Cindy Bennett.
> I believe she would be able to suggest a computer program that would be the
> most accessible, and would most likely be able to help you figure out how to
> successfully use the computer program with a screen reader.
>
> I hope this information helps you analyze the qualitative data for your
> research project.
>
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
> Silverman via nabs-l
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:27 PM
> To: Cindy Bennett <clb5590 at gmail.com>; National Association of Blind
> Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Analyzing Qualitative Data with Software
>
> Hi Cindy,
> I have little experience with qualitative data and have never used
> qualitative software. However, I recently prepared a qualitative summary of
> some focus group data by hand, and it was a very manageable task. My
> colleague coded the same data using software and our reports were quite
> similar. So I'm not convinced that qualitative software is actually
> required, and if it carries accessibility hassles, then coding by hand might
> end up being easier. Basically coding just involves creating categories
> based on common themes you observe in the transcript and then going through
> and assigning each participant comment to one of the categories you create.
> I think the software may help visually organize the data, but I'm not sure
> how much benefit you would actually get from using software, unless you need
> to use it for a qualitative software class. Others with mor qualitative
> experience thanI might be able to comment further.
> Best Arielle
>
> On 3/12/15, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Has anyone ever used a software to assist in analyzing their
>> qualitative data? If so, I would love to hear from you before trying a
>> bunch of options that may or may not be accessible.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> --
>> Cindy Bennett
>> 1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington Human Centered Design
>> and Engineering
>>
>> Treasurer of the National Federation of the Blind of Washington an
>> Affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind
>>
>> clb5590 at gmail.com
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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 21:30:27 -0500
From: Elif Emir ?ks?z <filerime at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] qualitative research software
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Thank you Elizabet. I don't have to use a software, so I think I won't
try it now.
Thank you for detailed response.
I may contact Cindy in the future to she what she did.
Warmly
Elif



On 3/9/17, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Elif,
>
> I think it can be easy to confuse qualitative data with quantitative data as
> I tend to do it myself even though I know the difference between these two
> types of data.
>
> Unless you are being required to use computer software to analyze the data
> for your research project, it may be possible to analyze your data without
> using computer software. If I recall correctly, I remember Cindy Bennett
> asking the same question a while ago. I think Arielle Silverman posted a
> good response about how to analyze qualitative data without using computer
> software. Let me see if I can find her response to this question.
>
> However, if you are specifically looking to use computer software to analyze
> your qualitative data, I would suggest that you contact Cindy Bennett at
> clb5590 at gmail.com to see what program would be the most accessible.
>
> So far my qualitative research projects have been rather small, so I do not
> have any personal experience using any computer software programs to analyze
> my data.
>
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elif Emir ?ks?z
> via NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 4:45 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Elif Emir ?ks?z <filerime at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] qualitative research software
>
> no this is about words instead of numbers.
> but thanks for your reply
>
> On 3/8/17, Justin Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Oh, I associated what you were doing with stats, maybe I'm wrong.
>>  Justin
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elif Emir
>> ?ks?z
>> via NABS-L
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 6:41 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Elif Emir ?ks?z <filerime at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] qualitative research software
>>
>> Hmm I use SPSS a lot but never used or heard about it for a qualitative
>> research.
>> Thanks for your reply Justin.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/8/17, Justin Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> SASS or SPSS I think, but Ask Arielle because she is more familiar
>>> with this than I am.
>>>  Justin
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>> ?ks?z via NABS-L
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 9:17 AM
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>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Elif Emir ?ks?z <filerime at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] qualitative research software
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I am about to analyse qualitative data. Does anyone know an accessible
>>> software to do that? If you just use Word and Excel, if you developed
>>> any methods, would you please share it with me?
>>> Or if you use something different, please let me know.
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 12 14:28:34 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 10:28:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Analyzing Qualitative Data
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Oh, qualitative, I'm transposing the word quantitative.  You probably don't
need software if it's not math oriented.  
Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rilind Dragoshi
via NABS-L
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 1:17 AM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Analyzing Qualitative Data

Hello Elif.
I'm Rilind, and I completed my B/A in Psychology with a thesis on academic
performance and Self-efficacy. For qualitative research, I did not use any
software. I believe there are some and Based on my textbook Exploring
Research there a few, I'll quote a brief paragraph at the end (cited in APA
of course. I'll also give some advice. Hopefully it will help. 
I didn't use software at the time though and honestly this research is so
personal that in my view you have to know the data well in order to analyze
it. 
Based on my textbook Exploring Research Edition some of the software types
include QSR,, N6 which can allow you to code research categories and search
for textual patterns and report generating data.;.
The paragraph in my textbook at the end of chapter seven reads """Research
tools to help qualitative researchers were slow in coming, but they have
recently become very sophisticated tools that greatly assist the tasks
associated with the magnitude and potential complexity of large, qualitative
data sets. QSR International (_
International) sells various software packages such as Scrapbook. Among the
most popular (and one of the first but constantly improved) is N6 (which
used to be called NUD*IST). With this software, you can do such things as
work in plain text and automate clerical tasks, such as importing and coding
research data, searching for text or coding patterns, or generat¬ing
reports. They also market NVivo (which comes in a student edition), which
allows the user to import, create and edit documents, code and annotate
text, link project documents to one another (such as video and audio files),
search for relationships between text, and create models of the user's data.


Another program from ResearchWare (at http://www.researchware.com/) is
HyperRESEARCH, which allows coding, analysis, and organization of data.
HyperRESEARCH comes in a Mac version as well as a Windows version, and the
company is considering generating a Linux version."
" (Salkind, 2012: 226).
Below I'll discuss what helped me in my own research however.
I sent you what I found in my textbook about software. I know little else
about them including if they're free as I didn't need them in my research.
However, what I found helped the most was a good method of analysis. In my
case, I had done my research on self-efficacy and academic performance. In
order to analyze the data, I had created themes for the various questions
that were asked in the qualitative interviews, and divided up the analysis
section of the research in to those different themes. For each question
itself however, I compiled a file for each individual question with all the
individual answers to each question, (placing the participant's
characteristics beside each question.
For instance, mine were what were defined as high GPA and low GPA. I then
analyzed each question's answers by indicating the incite gained from the
participant's answers to each question for each category of participants,
and analyzed and compared it with the literature in the field (which would
be the literature in the lit review).
I'll try to put this in a list form so it's easier.
1.	Divide your questions in to categories, ideally the
themes/categories being the ones that are in your literature review.
2.	Create a file for each qualitative question, and in that file copy
and paste each answer to that particular question (answers to question 1,
answers to question 2, etc.) In this way, when you are analysing the data,
you will be able to open each question file separately and won't have to
scan each participant's file every time you are analyzing a new question.
3.	
Categorise these answers to each question, those of question 1, those of
question 2, etc., in to the various categories you are measuring. If you
aren't measuring categories then this doesn't apply.
4.	In your analysis comment on the findings of each category for each
question, comparing it to the literature. Also, as my thesis advisor said,
it is okay to make some conclusions at the end. Biggest tip I have in that
section, try to use the words connections, associations, and descriptive
links, as if you are in a situation where you have a committee that is
dealing with the thesis and has members who are more in the quantitative
field they will point out that you can't use the word 
5.	Correlations etc, even if you are obviously using it in a
qualitative sense.
Of course, in the report itself the info will be confidential and you won't
likely include names, etc., the categorising is to help your personal
analysis for the report.
I hope this helps:  Message here if you have any questions or feel free to
email me at Dragoshi11 at hotmail.com also if you want.
Thanks:
Rilind.

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Today's Topics:

   1. CItation managers and Jaws or NVDA (Kaiti Shelton)
   2. Re: Music App on Iphone 6 (Kaiti Shelton)
   3. 50th Anniversary Committee (Shannon Cantan)
   4. Re: FW: Analyzing Qualitative Data with Software (Elif Emir ?ks?z)
   5. Re: qualitative research software (Elif Emir ?ks?z)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 15:03:04 -0500
From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
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Hi all,

Sorry for the cross-posting, but I'm hoping to find any answers there might
be to my questions fairly quickly.  I'm no worse off if nothing comes from
this discussion, but it would be really helpful with a project I'm working
on if information about accessibility and using these software
programs/methods is out there.

First, I'm wondering if anyone has experience using Mendeley for organizing
citations with Jaws or NVDA.  What about End Note or Zotero?  I'm hoping
Mendeley is usable as I'm on a student budget, but if End Note or Zotero are
markedly more accessible, I'd be interested in trying them.  My Jaws is 13,
but my NVDA is up-to-date.

Second, I'm about to make a matrix for organizing and analyzing my sources.
I was thinking of just doing this in excel, but if there are better/more
accessible methods for this organization I'd love to hear them before I put
the time into making a huge matrix.  I have 11 sources so far, but still
have time to gather books and articles from related fields.

The study I'm designing has the aim of identifying barriers in training for
blind undergraduate music therapy students, as well as the accommodations
that could be made for them in their clinical training to optimize training
outcomes.  The assignment for this class is to complete a perspectus and the
literature review, so the study will be well on its way to being organized
by the time we leave school and can be presented to graduate schools if/when
we apply.  Having methods for managing my citations and organizing my
information will be helpful, as due to the literature gap in my field I'm
pulling resources from disability studies, psychology, and education from
journals I'm not very familiar with.  Any suggestions or feedback based on
professional/student research experiences would be appreciated.



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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 15:08:21 -0500
From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music App on Iphone 6
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Hi Vejas,

To echo David Andrews, I suspect that is the case as well.
Sometimeseven if you double-tap and just accidentally hit a second finger on
the screen once, the IPhone will take that as a two-finger double-tap.  I
just tested it after making sure my music app was closed, and it shuffled my
library automatically.

Another possibility might be that Siri is picking up on noise.
Sometimes, if my phone is in my pocket or a bag, the home button might get
pressed and SIri will pick up on speech it hears around.  I've pulled my
phone out of my bag to find it playing music before, and suspect that is the
case.  Sometimes if you have headphones in and the play button on the remote
is pressed, the play button could start your music playing, too.

HTH

On 3/8/17, David Andrews via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> The command to start and stop music is a two-finger double tap.  This 
> has happened to me, and I suspect you issued the command somehow 
> without realizing it.
>
>
> Dave
>
> At 12:11 AM 3/8/2017, you wrote:
>>Hi All,
>>I have a question related to the I-Phone and was wondering if this 
>>might be a Voice-Over issue or if anyone has experienced this.
>>Sometimes, for no apparent reason, a track that I did not select will 
>>play when I am not even in the music app.  When I tried to close the 
>>music app in the app-switcher, I saw that I had not even had the music 
>>app open.  Does anyone know how I might be able to fix  this?
>>Thanks,
>>Vejas
>
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 16:25:43 -1000
From: Shannon Cantan <shannoncantan.nfb at gmail.com>
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] 50th Anniversary Committee
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Aloha students,

As a reminder, the inaugural meeting for the NABS 50th Anniversary Committee
will be taking place this  Sunday 8PM EST on the NABS conference line.  We
have many things to plan/ discuss in preparation for National Convention, so
please come with your usual energy, creativity, and passion.

Please call 605-475-6700
Code 7869673

If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me off list.  

Best Regards,
Shannon KS Cantan


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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 21:27:00 -0500
From: Elif Emir ?ks?z <filerime at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: Analyzing Qualitative Data with Software
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Hello Elizabeth,
Thank you very very much for digging into the list-serve archive, and
sharing it with me. It was really helpful.
I think I may go into coding by hand instead of trying bunch of
options. This post from Arielle encouraged me to do that.
I am still collecting data. I will try and see.
Have a great weekend.



On 3/9/17, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Elif,
>
> Here is the post I found that was posted by Arielle Silverman in regards
to
> analyzing qualitative data. Perhaps you might find this post to be
helpful.
> However, if you are specifically looking to use a computer program to help
> you analyze your qualitative data, I would suggest contacting Cindy
Bennett.
> I believe she would be able to suggest a computer program that would be
the
> most accessible, and would most likely be able to help you figure out how
to
> successfully use the computer program with a screen reader.
>
> I hope this information helps you analyze the qualitative data for your
> research project.
>
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
> Silverman via nabs-l
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:27 PM
> To: Cindy Bennett <clb5590 at gmail.com>; National Association of Blind
> Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Analyzing Qualitative Data with Software
>
> Hi Cindy,
> I have little experience with qualitative data and have never used
> qualitative software. However, I recently prepared a qualitative summary
of
> some focus group data by hand, and it was a very manageable task. My
> colleague coded the same data using software and our reports were quite
> similar. So I'm not convinced that qualitative software is actually
> required, and if it carries accessibility hassles, then coding by hand
might
> end up being easier. Basically coding just involves creating categories
> based on common themes you observe in the transcript and then going
through
> and assigning each participant comment to one of the categories you
create.
> I think the software may help visually organize the data, but I'm not sure
> how much benefit you would actually get from using software, unless you
need
> to use it for a qualitative software class. Others with mor qualitative
> experience thanI might be able to comment further.
> Best Arielle
>
> On 3/12/15, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Has anyone ever used a software to assist in analyzing their
>> qualitative data? If so, I would love to hear from you before trying a
>> bunch of options that may or may not be accessible.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> --
>> Cindy Bennett
>> 1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington Human Centered Design
>> and Engineering
>>
>> Treasurer of the National Federation of the Blind of Washington an
>> Affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind
>>
>> clb5590 at gmail.com
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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 21:30:27 -0500
From: Elif Emir ?ks?z <filerime at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] qualitative research software
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Thank you Elizabet. I don't have to use a software, so I think I won't
try it now.
Thank you for detailed response.
I may contact Cindy in the future to she what she did.
Warmly
Elif



On 3/9/17, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Elif,
>
> I think it can be easy to confuse qualitative data with quantitative data
as
> I tend to do it myself even though I know the difference between these two
> types of data.
>
> Unless you are being required to use computer software to analyze the data
> for your research project, it may be possible to analyze your data without
> using computer software. If I recall correctly, I remember Cindy Bennett
> asking the same question a while ago. I think Arielle Silverman posted a
> good response about how to analyze qualitative data without using computer
> software. Let me see if I can find her response to this question.
>
> However, if you are specifically looking to use computer software to
analyze
> your qualitative data, I would suggest that you contact Cindy Bennett at
> clb5590 at gmail.com to see what program would be the most accessible.
>
> So far my qualitative research projects have been rather small, so I do
not
> have any personal experience using any computer software programs to
analyze
> my data.
>
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elif Emir
?ks?z
> via NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 4:45 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Elif Emir ?ks?z <filerime at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] qualitative research software
>
> no this is about words instead of numbers.
> but thanks for your reply
>
> On 3/8/17, Justin Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Oh, I associated what you were doing with stats, maybe I'm wrong.
>>  Justin
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elif Emir
>> ?ks?z
>> via NABS-L
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 6:41 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Elif Emir ?ks?z <filerime at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] qualitative research software
>>
>> Hmm I use SPSS a lot but never used or heard about it for a qualitative
>> research.
>> Thanks for your reply Justin.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/8/17, Justin Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> SASS or SPSS I think, but Ask Arielle because she is more familiar
>>> with this than I am.
>>>  Justin
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elif Emir
>>> ?ks?z via NABS-L
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 9:17 AM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Elif Emir ?ks?z <filerime at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] qualitative research software
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I am about to analyse qualitative data. Does anyone know an accessible
>>> software to do that? If you just use Word and Excel, if you developed
>>> any methods, would you please share it with me?
>>> Or if you use something different, please let me know.
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 12 15:04:35 2017
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 15:04:35 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
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Hello Vejas,

Thank you for this suggestion. However, I am not quite sure how planning to attend an NFB training center at some point in the future is going to help me write an official complaint form that I am currently trying to figure out how to write.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 10:28 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers

Have you ever thought of attending a blindness training center such as LCB, Blind Inc or CCB? You could learn Braille there. Some people will then go back to the same college with a fresh attitude, or just make a fresh start at a different college. You could also learn more about advocacy at the seminars at the centers.
Vejas

> On Mar 11, 2017, at 18:31, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Jen,
> 
> Thank you for your encouragement to continue to learn alternative techniques as an older non-traditional student. I plan to continue to use and improve upon my Braille skills while completing the rest of my college classes. However, I personally do not know of anyone who has learned Braille as an older adult who is able to use it as a primary mode of communication in college level classes. Therefore, I feel as though I am simply being realistic regarding my own personal goals.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jen via NABS-L
> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 9:23 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Jen <spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
> 
> Hi Elizabeth,
> 
> Re: "nor do I believe I will ever have the Braille skills to use Braille in a college-level math class"
> 
> I can feel the frustration and pain in your post. It must be difficult navigating college and blindness at the same time. Although I am not an older student, I can say it's never too late to learn alternative techniques.
> 
> Jen
> 
> spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> 
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 1:32 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
> 
> Hello Vejas,
> 
> Thank you for taking the time to respond to my message. I agree with everything you mention in your email. However, the current personnel of my college disabilities office does not necessarily agree that my reader needs to be proficient in math in order to be a reader for math. I have not been successful in arguing for the use of my own readers instead of the readers they assign to me from the disabilities office either. 
> 
> Since I do not know Braille well enough to use in a college level math class, nor do I believe I will ever have the Braille skills to use Braille in a college level math class, I do not know how to gain equal access to the course materials required for my math classes besides the use of a reader who is proficient in reading math. Therefore, I am looking for credible sources regarding the definition of a qualified reader as this is the term that is used in the Americans With Disabilities Act as a reasonable accommodation.
> 
> Right now I feel as though the disabilities office is simply putting up roadblocks that are only preventing me from being able to use the accommodations I need to successfully complete my math requirements required for my degree and transfer requirements. And so now I need to go write the complaint form that I need to file within my college so maybe I might be able to receive the accommodations I need to receive equal access to the course materials required for my math classes.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 6:05 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
> 
> Hi Elizabeth,
> I didn't know that there was such a thing as a "qualified" 
> reader"-I have learned that there are volunteer and paid readers.  
> I would think that the ideal math and science reader should be able to understand how to do all the basic math and science symbols.
> I have a math reader.  I have the book in Braille, but it is to clarify with diagrams.  She's a freshman at my college also, and took the material I am currently taking last semester, so it is nice and fresh in her mind.  (As I mentioned awhile back in one of my other emails to you, my Disability Services chooses readers by departments, although I fully understand that yours are not
> willing.)
> I think the 2 best options are:
> 1.  Department of Rehab: How flexible are they? Ideally they should be able to pay for you to have a human reader if your DSS are unwilling.
> 2.  Find your own reader via church, putting up posters, or maybe even emailing your Dean? They might be able to connect you with some people.
> Explain that you're looking for someone with basic math and science abilities.  Then I sofest interviewing them.  
> Since you already tried to take that course this semester, you may already have some worksheets available.  Then you could ask them questions like, "What does this say?" Or "Can you read this?"
> So I think your ideal reader should:
> 1.  Understand basic math and science skills (if they understand advanced, even better) 2.  Be willing to work with you and take your commands such as "slower" and "faster"
> 3.  Not have too heavy an accent.
> Hope this helps,
> Vejas
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,NFB Science and Engineering Division List <nfb-science at nfbnet.org>, "NFB ofMichigan Internet Mailing List" 
> <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 19:46:34 +0000
> Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Please forgive the multiple posts.  However, after sending my previous email, I was wondering if there might be any kind of standers or guidelines for reading materials for math or science classes.  If there are any credible sources for standards or guidelines for reading materials for math or science classes, perhaps this might help me establish a good definition of a qualified reader for my math classes.
> 
> I understand some of you may believe that Braille is the only way to go in terms of being able to access materials for math classes.  However, as I have already indicated, I do not know Braille well enough to use for my math classes.  And as someone who grew up sighted, most of the time it is just easier for someone to read me a simple graphic or chart than it is for me to figure out how to read this information in Braille.
> 
> The types of graphics and charts that were included in the math class that I tried to take this semester included such things as number lines and a chart that was like an excel spreadsheet listing names of cities down one Colum and temperatures going down another Colum.  I am not quite sure what might be included in the other math classes that I need to take to meet the university math requirement for the university I would like to be able to transfer to after completing my associates degree.
> 
> I am not looking to complete advance math classes here.  I am simply trying to take what is required to meet the transfer requirements.  However, I am not quite sure how to go about fulfilling my math requirement when the disabilities office at the community college that I attend does not appear to work with me so I can gain equal access to the course required for my math classes.
> 
> I do not know how else to gain access to the course materials required for my math classes, and so far the college does not agree with me on what constitutes as a qualified reader.  So again, any assistance anyone could provide in helping me find a credible source for a good clear definition of qualified reader would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Sun Mar 12 15:15:39 2017
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster, NABS President)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 11:15:39 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Summer opportunity in Richmond, Virginia
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Seeking: Blind Mentors for 2017 LIFE Program 

Are you ready to be an agent of change with the blind and vision impaired
youth of Virginia?

 

The Virginia Rehabilitation Center for the Blind and Vision Impaired
(VRCBVI) is seeking three blind college students or young professionals to
be mentors for our 2017 Learning Independence, Feeling Empowered (LIFE)
Program.  Mentors will work alongside our instructional staff in areas which
may include (but are not limited to): Braille, Cooking Skills, Access
Technology, and College 101, as well as during after-hours confidence
building activities. If you are enthusiastic about giving back to the next
generation of blind and vision impaired youth and you want to have fun while
working, then being a mentor in the 2017 LIFE Program is the place for you.
We highly encourage mentors to be available June 12 through August 11, 2017.
The 2017 LIFE Program will take place on the campus of VRCBVI in Richmond,
Virginia.

 

LIFE is a five week residential summer program for high school-aged blind
and vision impaired youth  who want to learn the skills of blindness,
participate in a college preparation or career exploration program, develop
a positive attitude about blindness, and have fun while getting to know
their blind peers. 

 

Ideally mentoring candidates will:

*         Possess excellent blindness skills specifically the ability to
travel independently using a long white cane or dog guide while
communicating with and monitoring a group of high school age students

*         Be available from June 12, 2017 to August 11, 2017

*         Be able to work 40 hours a week, including evenings and weekends

*         Be able to communicate effectively with co-workers and supervisor 

*         Possess maturity, patience, and the ability to work as part of a
team 

*         Enjoy teaching and have an enthusiastic sense of adventure

*         Reside in the dorm apartments on the VRCBVI campus

*         Pass a background check

 

Rate of pay: $10.00 an hour plus room and board

 

To learn more or to apply, please contact Greg Chittum by email at
greg.chittum at dbvi.virginia.gov <mailto:greg.chittum at dbvi.virginia.gov>  , by
phone at (804) 371-3204, or by mail at 401 Azalea Avenue, Richmond, VA
23227.  

 

To apply please provide the following five items:

*	1.            Print copy of Commonwealth of Virginia Application for
Employment by going to https://virginiajobs.peopleadmin.com/ to login or
create an account, then proceed to "
<https://virginiajobs.peopleadmin.com/postings/9275> Click here
https://virginiajobs.peopleadmin.com/postings/9275
<https://virginiajobs.peopleadmin.com/postings/9275%20%0d>  if you want to
create and save your application but not apply to a job."  After completing
your application, go to print view where you can email the application or
send a hard copy

2.	Cover Letter

3.       Resume

4.       Three professional references

5.       500 word essay explaining why you would be the best candidate for
the position and the role mentoring has played in your success

 

All applications must be complete and received by not later than April 14,
2017.

 

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From emitchell927 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 12 17:02:17 2017
From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 13:02:17 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Audio described movies for class
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Is there a way I can find the Iron Lady with audio description for a class Im taking?
EmmaSent from my iPhone

From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 12 17:05:17 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 13:05:17 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Audio described movies for class
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Try blind mice movie volt.  It's in the blind mice mall.
 Justin

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Is there a way I can find the Iron Lady with audio description for a class
Im taking?
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Sun Mar 12 17:46:29 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 10:46:29 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Audio described movies for class
Message-ID: <58c58994.c432620a.d7a2c.954c@mx.google.com>

Has anyone had success with watching a complete movie from Blind 
Mice Vault? I find that when I have it play on my phone, if the 
movie is supposed to be, say, 92 minutes long, it will stop at a 
certain point such as 83 minutes and it says the track is only 83 
minutes long.
Vejas


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Try blind mice movie volt.  It's in the blind mice mall.
 Justin

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Is there a way I can find the Iron Lady with audio description 
for a class
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From spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net  Sun Mar 12 18:34:26 2017
From: spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net (Jen)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 14:34:26 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
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Hi Elizabeth,

I know your e-mail wasn't directed to me, but I would like to respond.
Attending an NFB center would help you learn alternative techniques, like
braille. This way, when you went back to school, you wouldn't need to have a
reader, and independence would increase greatly for you. . Is there a way
you could ammend the form to to turn into a justification to attend an NFB
center?

Jen

spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Mohnke via NABS-L
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:05 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers

Hello Vejas,

Thank you for this suggestion, but I am not quite sure how planning to
attend an NFB training center at some point in the future is going to help
me write an official complaint form I am currently trying to figure out how
to write.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 10:28 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers

Have you ever thought of attending a blindness training center such as LCB,
Blind Inc or CCB? You could learn Braille there. Some people will then go
back to the same college with a fresh attitude, or just make a fresh start
at a different college. You could also learn more about advocacy at the
seminars at the centers.
Vejas

> On Mar 11, 2017, at 18:31, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> Hello Jen,
> 
> Thank you for your encouragement to continue to learn alternative
techniques as an older non-traditional student. I plan to continue to use
and improve upon my Braille skills while completing the rest of my college
classes. However, I personally do not know of anyone who has learned Braille
as an older adult who is able to use it as a primary mode of communication
in college level classes. Therefore, I feel as though I am simply being
realistic regarding my own personal goals.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jen via
NABS-L
> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 9:23 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Jen <spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
> 
> Hi Elizabeth,
> 
> Re: "nor do I believe I will ever have the Braille skills to use Braille
in a college-level math class"
> 
> I can feel the frustration and pain in your post. It must be difficult
navigating college and blindness at the same time. Although I am not an
older student, I can say it's never too late to learn alternative
techniques.
> 
> Jen
> 
> spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> 
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Mohnke via NABS-L
> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 1:32 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
> 
> Hello Vejas,
> 
> Thank you for taking the time to respond to my message. I agree with
everything you mention in your email. However, the current personnel of my
college disabilities office does not necessarily agree that my reader needs
to be proficient in math in order to be a reader for math. I have not been
successful in arguing for the use of my own readers instead of the readers
they assign to me from the disabilities office either. 
> 
> Since I do not know Braille well enough to use in a college level math
class, nor do I believe I will ever have the Braille skills to use Braille
in a college level math class, I do not know how to gain equal access to the
course materials required for my math classes besides the use of a reader
who is proficient in reading math. Therefore, I am looking for credible
sources regarding the definition of a qualified reader as this is the term
that is used in the Americans With Disabilities Act as a reasonable
accommodation.
> 
> Right now I feel as though the disabilities office is simply putting up
roadblocks that are only preventing me from being able to use the
accommodations I need to successfully complete my math requirements required
for my degree and transfer requirements. And so now I need to go write the
complaint form that I need to file within my college so maybe I might be
able to receive the accommodations I need to receive equal access to the
course materials required for my math classes.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 6:05 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
> 
> Hi Elizabeth,
> I didn't know that there was such a thing as a "qualified" 
> reader"-I have learned that there are volunteer and paid readers.  
> I would think that the ideal math and science reader should be able to
understand how to do all the basic math and science symbols.
> I have a math reader.  I have the book in Braille, but it is to clarify
with diagrams.  She's a freshman at my college also, and took the material I
am currently taking last semester, so it is nice and fresh in her mind.  (As
I mentioned awhile back in one of my other emails to you, my Disability
Services chooses readers by departments, although I fully understand that
yours are not
> willing.)
> I think the 2 best options are:
> 1.  Department of Rehab: How flexible are they? Ideally they should be
able to pay for you to have a human reader if your DSS are unwilling.
> 2.  Find your own reader via church, putting up posters, or maybe even
emailing your Dean? They might be able to connect you with some people.
> Explain that you're looking for someone with basic math and science
abilities.  Then I sofest interviewing them.  
> Since you already tried to take that course this semester, you may already
have some worksheets available.  Then you could ask them questions like,
"What does this say?" Or "Can you read this?"
> So I think your ideal reader should:
> 1.  Understand basic math and science skills (if they understand advanced,
even better) 2.  Be willing to work with you and take your commands such as
"slower" and "faster"
> 3.  Not have too heavy an accent.
> Hope this helps,
> Vejas
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,NFB Science and Engineering Division List
<nfb-science at nfbnet.org>, "NFB ofMichigan Internet Mailing List" 
> <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 19:46:34 +0000
> Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Please forgive the multiple posts.  However, after sending my previous
email, I was wondering if there might be any kind of standers or guidelines
for reading materials for math or science classes.  If there are any
credible sources for standards or guidelines for reading materials for math
or science classes, perhaps this might help me establish a good definition
of a qualified reader for my math classes.
> 
> I understand some of you may believe that Braille is the only way to go in
terms of being able to access materials for math classes.  However, as I
have already indicated, I do not know Braille well enough to use for my math
classes.  And as someone who grew up sighted, most of the time it is just
easier for someone to read me a simple graphic or chart than it is for me to
figure out how to read this information in Braille.
> 
> The types of graphics and charts that were included in the math class that
I tried to take this semester included such things as number lines and a
chart that was like an excel spreadsheet listing names of cities down one
Colum and temperatures going down another Colum.  I am not quite sure what
might be included in the other math classes that I need to take to meet the
university math requirement for the university I would like to be able to
transfer to after completing my associates degree.
> 
> I am not looking to complete advance math classes here.  I am simply
trying to take what is required to meet the transfer requirements.  However,
I am not quite sure how to go about fulfilling my math requirement when the
disabilities office at the community college that I attend does not appear
to work with me so I can gain equal access to the course required for my
math classes.
> 
> I do not know how else to gain access to the course materials required for
my math classes, and so far the college does not agree with me on what
constitutes as a qualified reader.  So again, any assistance anyone could
provide in helping me find a credible source for a good clear definition of
qualified reader would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 12 20:48:37 2017
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 20:48:37 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
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Hello Jen,

Again, thank you for your suggestion. I understand the value of receiving training at an NFB training center. However, regardless of what my blindness skills may be, my college does not have the means to produce math materials in Braille, and my college uses an inaccessible online learning platform for math classes. Unless any of these things change, I believe using a reader is the best option for me to gain equal access to the course materials for my math classes.

I believe blind people should be able to choose whatever accommodation works best for them in any given particular situation. Simply because you do not believe successful independent blind people should use readers when the situation calls for it does not necessarily mean that blind people are any less successful or independent for using readers as an accommodation.

I greatly appreciate all the responses I have received on the email list regarding information that is helpful for completing my complaint form. However, now that the conversation has shifted to how attending an NFB training center is a one size fits all solution to every problem that a blind person faces in life, I will no longer be responding to messages in this email thread.

The National Federation of the Blind continues to issue press releases regarding the legal assistance they are providing to other blind college students who face the exact same barriers as me in receiving equal access to course materials and student services on their campuses. However, I have never seen any of these press releases question the blindness skills of these students. Therefore, I do not understand why people feel the need to do this to me. The only thing this really does is push people away from being a part of this organization.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth



-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jen via NABS-L
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 2:34 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Jen <spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers

Hi Elizabeth,

I know your e-mail wasn't directed to me, but I would like to respond.
Attending an NFB center would help you learn alternative techniques, like braille. This way, when you went back to school, you wouldn't need to have a reader, and independence would increase greatly for you. . Is there a way you could ammend the form to to turn into a justification to attend an NFB center?

Jen

spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:05 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers

Hello Vejas,

Thank you for this suggestion, but I am not quite sure how planning to attend an NFB training center at some point in the future is going to help me write an official complaint form I am currently trying to figure out how to write.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 10:28 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers

Have you ever thought of attending a blindness training center such as LCB, Blind Inc or CCB? You could learn Braille there. Some people will then go back to the same college with a fresh attitude, or just make a fresh start at a different college. You could also learn more about advocacy at the seminars at the centers.
Vejas

> On Mar 11, 2017, at 18:31, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> Hello Jen,
> 
> Thank you for your encouragement to continue to learn alternative
techniques as an older non-traditional student. I plan to continue to use and improve upon my Braille skills while completing the rest of my college classes. However, I personally do not know of anyone who has learned Braille as an older adult who is able to use it as a primary mode of communication in college level classes. Therefore, I feel as though I am simply being realistic regarding my own personal goals.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jen via
NABS-L
> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 9:23 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Jen <spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
> 
> Hi Elizabeth,
> 
> Re: "nor do I believe I will ever have the Braille skills to use 
> Braille
in a college-level math class"
> 
> I can feel the frustration and pain in your post. It must be difficult
navigating college and blindness at the same time. Although I am not an older student, I can say it's never too late to learn alternative techniques.
> 
> Jen
> 
> spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> 
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Mohnke via NABS-L
> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 1:32 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
> 
> Hello Vejas,
> 
> Thank you for taking the time to respond to my message. I agree with
everything you mention in your email. However, the current personnel of my college disabilities office does not necessarily agree that my reader needs to be proficient in math in order to be a reader for math. I have not been successful in arguing for the use of my own readers instead of the readers they assign to me from the disabilities office either. 
> 
> Since I do not know Braille well enough to use in a college level math
class, nor do I believe I will ever have the Braille skills to use Braille in a college level math class, I do not know how to gain equal access to the course materials required for my math classes besides the use of a reader who is proficient in reading math. Therefore, I am looking for credible sources regarding the definition of a qualified reader as this is the term that is used in the Americans With Disabilities Act as a reasonable accommodation.
> 
> Right now I feel as though the disabilities office is simply putting 
> up
roadblocks that are only preventing me from being able to use the accommodations I need to successfully complete my math requirements required for my degree and transfer requirements. And so now I need to go write the complaint form that I need to file within my college so maybe I might be able to receive the accommodations I need to receive equal access to the course materials required for my math classes.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 6:05 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
> 
> Hi Elizabeth,
> I didn't know that there was such a thing as a "qualified" 
> reader"-I have learned that there are volunteer and paid readers.  
> I would think that the ideal math and science reader should be able to
understand how to do all the basic math and science symbols.
> I have a math reader.  I have the book in Braille, but it is to 
> clarify
with diagrams.  She's a freshman at my college also, and took the material I am currently taking last semester, so it is nice and fresh in her mind.  (As I mentioned awhile back in one of my other emails to you, my Disability Services chooses readers by departments, although I fully understand that yours are not
> willing.)
> I think the 2 best options are:
> 1.  Department of Rehab: How flexible are they? Ideally they should be
able to pay for you to have a human reader if your DSS are unwilling.
> 2.  Find your own reader via church, putting up posters, or maybe even
emailing your Dean? They might be able to connect you with some people.
> Explain that you're looking for someone with basic math and science
abilities.  Then I sofest interviewing them.  
> Since you already tried to take that course this semester, you may 
> already
have some worksheets available.  Then you could ask them questions like, "What does this say?" Or "Can you read this?"
> So I think your ideal reader should:
> 1.  Understand basic math and science skills (if they understand 
> advanced,
even better) 2.  Be willing to work with you and take your commands such as "slower" and "faster"
> 3.  Not have too heavy an accent.
> Hope this helps,
> Vejas
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,NFB Science and Engineering Division List <nfb-science at nfbnet.org>, "NFB ofMichigan Internet Mailing List" 
> <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 19:46:34 +0000
> Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Please forgive the multiple posts.  However, after sending my previous
email, I was wondering if there might be any kind of standers or guidelines for reading materials for math or science classes.  If there are any credible sources for standards or guidelines for reading materials for math or science classes, perhaps this might help me establish a good definition of a qualified reader for my math classes.
> 
> I understand some of you may believe that Braille is the only way to 
> go in
terms of being able to access materials for math classes.  However, as I have already indicated, I do not know Braille well enough to use for my math classes.  And as someone who grew up sighted, most of the time it is just easier for someone to read me a simple graphic or chart than it is for me to figure out how to read this information in Braille.
> 
> The types of graphics and charts that were included in the math class 
> that
I tried to take this semester included such things as number lines and a chart that was like an excel spreadsheet listing names of cities down one Colum and temperatures going down another Colum.  I am not quite sure what might be included in the other math classes that I need to take to meet the university math requirement for the university I would like to be able to transfer to after completing my associates degree.
> 
> I am not looking to complete advance math classes here.  I am simply
trying to take what is required to meet the transfer requirements.  However, I am not quite sure how to go about fulfilling my math requirement when the disabilities office at the community college that I attend does not appear to work with me so I can gain equal access to the course required for my math classes.
> 
> I do not know how else to gain access to the course materials required 
> for
my math classes, and so far the college does not agree with me on what constitutes as a qualified reader.  So again, any assistance anyone could provide in helping me find a credible source for a good clear definition of qualified reader would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
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From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 12 22:56:45 2017
From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:56:45 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] google docs help
Message-ID: <003e01d29b83$ecc7e4f0$c657aed0$@gmail.com>

Hey guys,

What are some of the basic keyboard commands I need to know when editing
within google docs on a pc? How do I move around the document? Thanks for
any help. 

 

Thanks,

Aaron Linson 

CEO Blind Faith Project <http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject> 

CEO Linson Productions <http://www.linsonproductions.com/> 

Aaron Linson 

 


From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 12 23:48:51 2017
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 19:48:51 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
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Jen,

I think Elizabeth already explained well that she cannot use braille as an 
older adult with a secondary disability proficiently. Therefore, attending a 
training center does nothing to help her secure the accomodations she needs. 
Further, knowing braille does not preclude the vital need for a reader. As a 
student who used readers a lot at Marymount university, I attest to the 
critical role good readers play in your success to complete exams. Note, 
most schools do not provide braille. I requested braille since I read it 
well, and you know what, Jen?
I was denied that and was told to use a school assigned reader instead since 
the school lacked the equipment and resources to produce braille.
Elizabeth is absolutely right in saying that not all schools will produce 
braille.
I think rather than harping on training, we should support each other and 
answer their questions.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jen via NABS-L
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 2:34 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Jen
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers

Hi Elizabeth,

I know your e-mail wasn't directed to me, but I would like to respond.
Attending an NFB center would help you learn alternative techniques, like
braille. This way, when you went back to school, you wouldn't need to have a
reader, and independence would increase greatly for you. . Is there a way
you could ammend the form to to turn into a justification to attend an NFB
center?

Jen

spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Mohnke via NABS-L
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:05 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers

Hello Vejas,

Thank you for this suggestion, but I am not quite sure how planning to
attend an NFB training center at some point in the future is going to help
me write an official complaint form I am currently trying to figure out how
to write.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 10:28 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers

Have you ever thought of attending a blindness training center such as LCB,
Blind Inc or CCB? You could learn Braille there. Some people will then go
back to the same college with a fresh attitude, or just make a fresh start
at a different college. You could also learn more about advocacy at the
seminars at the centers.
Vejas

> On Mar 11, 2017, at 18:31, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>
> Hello Jen,
>
> Thank you for your encouragement to continue to learn alternative
techniques as an older non-traditional student. I plan to continue to use
and improve upon my Braille skills while completing the rest of my college
classes. However, I personally do not know of anyone who has learned Braille
as an older adult who is able to use it as a primary mode of communication
in college level classes. Therefore, I feel as though I am simply being
realistic regarding my own personal goals.
>
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jen via
NABS-L
> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 9:23 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Jen <spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
>
> Hi Elizabeth,
>
> Re: "nor do I believe I will ever have the Braille skills to use Braille
in a college-level math class"
>
> I can feel the frustration and pain in your post. It must be difficult
navigating college and blindness at the same time. Although I am not an
older student, I can say it's never too late to learn alternative
techniques.
>
> Jen
>
> spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Mohnke via NABS-L
> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 1:32 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
>
> Hello Vejas,
>
> Thank you for taking the time to respond to my message. I agree with
everything you mention in your email. However, the current personnel of my
college disabilities office does not necessarily agree that my reader needs
to be proficient in math in order to be a reader for math. I have not been
successful in arguing for the use of my own readers instead of the readers
they assign to me from the disabilities office either.
>
> Since I do not know Braille well enough to use in a college level math
class, nor do I believe I will ever have the Braille skills to use Braille
in a college level math class, I do not know how to gain equal access to the
course materials required for my math classes besides the use of a reader
who is proficient in reading math. Therefore, I am looking for credible
sources regarding the definition of a qualified reader as this is the term
that is used in the Americans With Disabilities Act as a reasonable
accommodation.
>
> Right now I feel as though the disabilities office is simply putting up
roadblocks that are only preventing me from being able to use the
accommodations I need to successfully complete my math requirements required
for my degree and transfer requirements. And so now I need to go write the
complaint form that I need to file within my college so maybe I might be
able to receive the accommodations I need to receive equal access to the
course materials required for my math classes.
>
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 6:05 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
>
> Hi Elizabeth,
> I didn't know that there was such a thing as a "qualified"
> reader"-I have learned that there are volunteer and paid readers.
> I would think that the ideal math and science reader should be able to
understand how to do all the basic math and science symbols.
> I have a math reader.  I have the book in Braille, but it is to clarify
with diagrams.  She's a freshman at my college also, and took the material I
am currently taking last semester, so it is nice and fresh in her mind.  (As
I mentioned awhile back in one of my other emails to you, my Disability
Services chooses readers by departments, although I fully understand that
yours are not
> willing.)
> I think the 2 best options are:
> 1.  Department of Rehab: How flexible are they? Ideally they should be
able to pay for you to have a human reader if your DSS are unwilling.
> 2.  Find your own reader via church, putting up posters, or maybe even
emailing your Dean? They might be able to connect you with some people.
> Explain that you're looking for someone with basic math and science
abilities.  Then I sofest interviewing them.
> Since you already tried to take that course this semester, you may already
have some worksheets available.  Then you could ask them questions like,
"What does this say?" Or "Can you read this?"
> So I think your ideal reader should:
> 1.  Understand basic math and science skills (if they understand advanced,
even better) 2.  Be willing to work with you and take your commands such as
"slower" and "faster"
> 3.  Not have too heavy an accent.
> Hope this helps,
> Vejas
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,NFB Science and Engineering Division List
<nfb-science at nfbnet.org>, "NFB ofMichigan Internet Mailing List"
> <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 19:46:34 +0000
> Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
>
> Hello All,
>
> Please forgive the multiple posts.  However, after sending my previous
email, I was wondering if there might be any kind of standers or guidelines
for reading materials for math or science classes.  If there are any
credible sources for standards or guidelines for reading materials for math
or science classes, perhaps this might help me establish a good definition
of a qualified reader for my math classes.
>
> I understand some of you may believe that Braille is the only way to go in
terms of being able to access materials for math classes.  However, as I
have already indicated, I do not know Braille well enough to use for my math
classes.  And as someone who grew up sighted, most of the time it is just
easier for someone to read me a simple graphic or chart than it is for me to
figure out how to read this information in Braille.
>
> The types of graphics and charts that were included in the math class that
I tried to take this semester included such things as number lines and a
chart that was like an excel spreadsheet listing names of cities down one
Colum and temperatures going down another Colum.  I am not quite sure what
might be included in the other math classes that I need to take to meet the
university math requirement for the university I would like to be able to
transfer to after completing my associates degree.
>
> I am not looking to complete advance math classes here.  I am simply
trying to take what is required to meet the transfer requirements.  However,
I am not quite sure how to go about fulfilling my math requirement when the
disabilities office at the community college that I attend does not appear
to work with me so I can gain equal access to the course required for my
math classes.
>
> I do not know how else to gain access to the course materials required for
my math classes, and so far the college does not agree with me on what
constitutes as a qualified reader.  So again, any assistance anyone could
provide in helping me find a credible source for a good clear definition of
qualified reader would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
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From chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 13 00:01:15 2017
From: chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com (chelsea peahl)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 00:01:15 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
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Elizabeth,
I am sorry that you feel frustrated. I have read through this thread and do not feel anyone was trying to offend you with their suggestions. Suggestions are merely that, suggestions. You can choose what you feel fit to take into your personal situation.

I understand that your school is using inaccessible materials for math, I understand how frustrating that can be. My class is using that platform as well. Maybe brainstorming solutions to get through this semester may work, such as your professor assigning your problems from the book that generally match what students are doing, and having your DRC turn your book into a word/PDF so you can listen to it audibly? I know that this isn't ideal, and that access to materials is what we need, hence AIM HEA. This is merely a suggestion.

When filling out the form, try to come up with possible solutions for your problems, and not just the problems. DRC offices do care about students, but they also don't have all of the answers. Going with possible solutions can help. 

I hope that some of this was able to help you. 

Chelsea Peahl

> On Mar 12, 2017, at 2:49 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Jen,
> 
> Again, thank you for your suggestion. I understand the value of receiving training at an NFB training center. However, regardless of what my blindness skills may be, my college does not have the means to produce math materials in Braille, and my college uses an inaccessible online learning platform for math classes. Unless any of these things change, I believe using a reader is the best option for me to gain equal access to the course materials for my math classes.
> 
> I believe blind people should be able to choose whatever accommodation works best for them in any given particular situation. Simply because you do not believe successful independent blind people should use readers when the situation calls for it does not necessarily mean that blind people are any less successful or independent for using readers as an accommodation.
> 
> I greatly appreciate all the responses I have received on the email list regarding information that is helpful for completing my complaint form. However, now that the conversation has shifted to how attending an NFB training center is a one size fits all solution to every problem that a blind person faces in life, I will no longer be responding to messages in this email thread.
> 
> The National Federation of the Blind continues to issue press releases regarding the legal assistance they are providing to other blind college students who face the exact same barriers as me in receiving equal access to course materials and student services on their campuses. However, I have never seen any of these press releases question the blindness skills of these students. Therefore, I do not understand why people feel the need to do this to me. The only thing this really does is push people away from being a part of this organization.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jen via NABS-L
> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 2:34 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Jen <spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
> 
> Hi Elizabeth,
> 
> I know your e-mail wasn't directed to me, but I would like to respond.
> Attending an NFB center would help you learn alternative techniques, like braille. This way, when you went back to school, you wouldn't need to have a reader, and independence would increase greatly for you. . Is there a way you could ammend the form to to turn into a justification to attend an NFB center?
> 
> Jen
> 
> spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:05 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
> 
> Hello Vejas,
> 
> Thank you for this suggestion, but I am not quite sure how planning to attend an NFB training center at some point in the future is going to help me write an official complaint form I am currently trying to figure out how to write.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 10:28 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
> 
> Have you ever thought of attending a blindness training center such as LCB, Blind Inc or CCB? You could learn Braille there. Some people will then go back to the same college with a fresh attitude, or just make a fresh start at a different college. You could also learn more about advocacy at the seminars at the centers.
> Vejas
> 
>> On Mar 11, 2017, at 18:31, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Jen,
>> 
>> Thank you for your encouragement to continue to learn alternative
> techniques as an older non-traditional student. I plan to continue to use and improve upon my Braille skills while completing the rest of my college classes. However, I personally do not know of anyone who has learned Braille as an older adult who is able to use it as a primary mode of communication in college level classes. Therefore, I feel as though I am simply being realistic regarding my own personal goals.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Elizabeth
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jen via
> NABS-L
>> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 9:23 PM
>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Jen <spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
>> 
>> Hi Elizabeth,
>> 
>> Re: "nor do I believe I will ever have the Braille skills to use 
>> Braille
> in a college-level math class"
>> 
>> I can feel the frustration and pain in your post. It must be difficult
> navigating college and blindness at the same time. Although I am not an older student, I can say it's never too late to learn alternative techniques.
>> 
>> Jen
>> 
>> spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> 
>> 
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
> Mohnke via NABS-L
>> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 1:32 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
>> 
>> Hello Vejas,
>> 
>> Thank you for taking the time to respond to my message. I agree with
> everything you mention in your email. However, the current personnel of my college disabilities office does not necessarily agree that my reader needs to be proficient in math in order to be a reader for math. I have not been successful in arguing for the use of my own readers instead of the readers they assign to me from the disabilities office either. 
>> 
>> Since I do not know Braille well enough to use in a college level math
> class, nor do I believe I will ever have the Braille skills to use Braille in a college level math class, I do not know how to gain equal access to the course materials required for my math classes besides the use of a reader who is proficient in reading math. Therefore, I am looking for credible sources regarding the definition of a qualified reader as this is the term that is used in the Americans With Disabilities Act as a reasonable accommodation.
>> 
>> Right now I feel as though the disabilities office is simply putting 
>> up
> roadblocks that are only preventing me from being able to use the accommodations I need to successfully complete my math requirements required for my degree and transfer requirements. And so now I need to go write the complaint form that I need to file within my college so maybe I might be able to receive the accommodations I need to receive equal access to the course materials required for my math classes.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Elizabeth
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
> Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 6:05 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
>> 
>> Hi Elizabeth,
>> I didn't know that there was such a thing as a "qualified" 
>> reader"-I have learned that there are volunteer and paid readers.  
>> I would think that the ideal math and science reader should be able to
> understand how to do all the basic math and science symbols.
>> I have a math reader.  I have the book in Braille, but it is to 
>> clarify
> with diagrams.  She's a freshman at my college also, and took the material I am currently taking last semester, so it is nice and fresh in her mind.  (As I mentioned awhile back in one of my other emails to you, my Disability Services chooses readers by departments, although I fully understand that yours are not
>> willing.)
>> I think the 2 best options are:
>> 1.  Department of Rehab: How flexible are they? Ideally they should be
> able to pay for you to have a human reader if your DSS are unwilling.
>> 2.  Find your own reader via church, putting up posters, or maybe even
> emailing your Dean? They might be able to connect you with some people.
>> Explain that you're looking for someone with basic math and science
> abilities.  Then I sofest interviewing them.  
>> Since you already tried to take that course this semester, you may 
>> already
> have some worksheets available.  Then you could ask them questions like, "What does this say?" Or "Can you read this?"
>> So I think your ideal reader should:
>> 1.  Understand basic math and science skills (if they understand 
>> advanced,
> even better) 2.  Be willing to work with you and take your commands such as "slower" and "faster"
>> 3.  Not have too heavy an accent.
>> Hope this helps,
>> Vejas
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,NFB Science and Engineering Division List <nfb-science at nfbnet.org>, "NFB ofMichigan Internet Mailing List" 
>> <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 19:46:34 +0000
>> Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> Please forgive the multiple posts.  However, after sending my previous
> email, I was wondering if there might be any kind of standers or guidelines for reading materials for math or science classes.  If there are any credible sources for standards or guidelines for reading materials for math or science classes, perhaps this might help me establish a good definition of a qualified reader for my math classes.
>> 
>> I understand some of you may believe that Braille is the only way to 
>> go in
> terms of being able to access materials for math classes.  However, as I have already indicated, I do not know Braille well enough to use for my math classes.  And as someone who grew up sighted, most of the time it is just easier for someone to read me a simple graphic or chart than it is for me to figure out how to read this information in Braille.
>> 
>> The types of graphics and charts that were included in the math class 
>> that
> I tried to take this semester included such things as number lines and a chart that was like an excel spreadsheet listing names of cities down one Colum and temperatures going down another Colum.  I am not quite sure what might be included in the other math classes that I need to take to meet the university math requirement for the university I would like to be able to transfer to after completing my associates degree.
>> 
>> I am not looking to complete advance math classes here.  I am simply
> trying to take what is required to meet the transfer requirements.  However, I am not quite sure how to go about fulfilling my math requirement when the disabilities office at the community college that I attend does not appear to work with me so I can gain equal access to the course required for my math classes.
>> 
>> I do not know how else to gain access to the course materials required 
>> for
> my math classes, and so far the college does not agree with me on what constitutes as a qualified reader.  So again, any assistance anyone could provide in helping me find a credible source for a good clear definition of qualified reader would be greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Elizabeth
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From theweird1 at mediacombb.net  Mon Mar 13 01:38:23 2017
From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 20:38:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] google docs help
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I'd be quite interested in this as well.  

Loren 



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Subject: [nabs-l] google docs help

Hey guys,

What are some of the basic keyboard commands I need to know when editing
within google docs on a pc? How do I move around the document? Thanks for
any help. 

 

Thanks,

Aaron Linson 

CEO Blind Faith Project <http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject> 

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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Mar 13 02:00:11 2017
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 22:00:11 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] {Spam?} Re:  More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
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Elizabeth,

I hope you are reading this. I just wanted to say that I commend your 
advocacy with the school and I think you are selecting the best accomodation 
for your situation. Most schools do not produce braille anyways, so you'd 
likely need a reader for exams regardless of your skills.
Math is hard enough and directing a reader to read charts and graphs is hard 
even with good readers.
I feel your pain regarding the lack of qualified readers at college. I was 
required to use college issued readers for exams as well. Most read well but 
some stumbled over words and I felt were not good readers. I used large 
print for math so did not run into the issue you did. But sometimes my 
history or religion classes had foreign words my readers could not pronounce 
and I had to have them spell the words. I wished I had control over the 
readers and I wanted a qualified reader.

Unfortunately, I do not know the definition of a qualified reader. You are 
right that Title II of the ADA uses that term. I'll do a little research and 
if I find something I'll let you know. Meanwhile, I wish you success in
your advocacy. To get some guidance about your rights, you might try Valerie 
at the national office. You could also try some disability advocacy group 
such as an independent living center or the American civil liberties union.


Feel free to write off list to me at bookwormahb at earthlink.net.

Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 4:48 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers

Hello Jen,

Again, thank you for your suggestion. I understand the value of receiving 
training at an NFB training center. However, regardless of what my blindness 
skills may be, my college does not have the means to produce math materials 
in Braille, and my college uses an inaccessible online learning platform for 
math classes. Unless any of these things change, I believe using a reader is 
the best option for me to gain equal access to the course materials for my 
math classes.

I believe blind people should be able to choose whatever accommodation works 
best for them in any given particular situation. Simply because you do not 
believe successful independent blind people should use readers when the 
situation calls for it does not necessarily mean that blind people are any 
less successful or independent for using readers as an accommodation.

I greatly appreciate all the responses I have received on the email list 
regarding information that is helpful for completing my complaint form. 
However, now that the conversation has shifted to how attending an NFB 
training center is a one size fits all solution to every problem that a 
blind person faces in life, I will no longer be responding to messages in 
this email thread.

The National Federation of the Blind continues to issue press releases 
regarding the legal assistance they are providing to other blind college 
students who face the exact same barriers as me in receiving equal access to 
course materials and student services on their campuses. However, I have 
never seen any of these press releases question the blindness skills of 
these students. Therefore, I do not understand why people feel the need to 
do this to me. The only thing this really does is push people away from 
being a part of this organization.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth



-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 2:34 PM
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Cc: Jen <spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers

Hi Elizabeth,

I know your e-mail wasn't directed to me, but I would like to respond.
Attending an NFB center would help you learn alternative techniques, like 
braille. This way, when you went back to school, you wouldn't need to have a 
reader, and independence would increase greatly for you. . Is there a way 
you could ammend the form to to turn into a justification to attend an NFB 
center?

Jen

spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth 
Mohnke via NABS-L
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:05 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers

Hello Vejas,

Thank you for this suggestion, but I am not quite sure how planning to 
attend an NFB training center at some point in the future is going to help 
me write an official complaint form I am currently trying to figure out how 
to write.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas 
Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 10:28 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers

Have you ever thought of attending a blindness training center such as LCB, 
Blind Inc or CCB? You could learn Braille there. Some people will then go 
back to the same college with a fresh attitude, or just make a fresh start 
at a different college. You could also learn more about advocacy at the 
seminars at the centers.
Vejas

> On Mar 11, 2017, at 18:31, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>
> Hello Jen,
>
> Thank you for your encouragement to continue to learn alternative
techniques as an older non-traditional student. I plan to continue to use 
and improve upon my Braille skills while completing the rest of my college 
classes. However, I personally do not know of anyone who has learned Braille 
as an older adult who is able to use it as a primary mode of communication 
in college level classes. Therefore, I feel as though I am simply being 
realistic regarding my own personal goals.
>
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jen via
NABS-L
> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 9:23 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Jen <spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
>
> Hi Elizabeth,
>
> Re: "nor do I believe I will ever have the Braille skills to use
> Braille
in a college-level math class"
>
> I can feel the frustration and pain in your post. It must be difficult
navigating college and blindness at the same time. Although I am not an 
older student, I can say it's never too late to learn alternative 
techniques.
>
> Jen
>
> spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Mohnke via NABS-L
> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 1:32 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
>
> Hello Vejas,
>
> Thank you for taking the time to respond to my message. I agree with
everything you mention in your email. However, the current personnel of my 
college disabilities office does not necessarily agree that my reader needs 
to be proficient in math in order to be a reader for math. I have not been 
successful in arguing for the use of my own readers instead of the readers 
they assign to me from the disabilities office either.
>
> Since I do not know Braille well enough to use in a college level math
class, nor do I believe I will ever have the Braille skills to use Braille 
in a college level math class, I do not know how to gain equal access to the 
course materials required for my math classes besides the use of a reader 
who is proficient in reading math. Therefore, I am looking for credible 
sources regarding the definition of a qualified reader as this is the term 
that is used in the Americans With Disabilities Act as a reasonable 
accommodation.
>
> Right now I feel as though the disabilities office is simply putting
> up
roadblocks that are only preventing me from being able to use the 
accommodations I need to successfully complete my math requirements required 
for my degree and transfer requirements. And so now I need to go write the 
complaint form that I need to file within my college so maybe I might be 
able to receive the accommodations I need to receive equal access to the 
course materials required for my math classes.
>
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 6:05 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
>
> Hi Elizabeth,
> I didn't know that there was such a thing as a "qualified"
> reader"-I have learned that there are volunteer and paid readers.
> I would think that the ideal math and science reader should be able to
understand how to do all the basic math and science symbols.
> I have a math reader.  I have the book in Braille, but it is to
> clarify
with diagrams.  She's a freshman at my college also, and took the material I 
am currently taking last semester, so it is nice and fresh in her mind.  (As 
I mentioned awhile back in one of my other emails to you, my Disability 
Services chooses readers by departments, although I fully understand that 
yours are not
> willing.)
> I think the 2 best options are:
> 1.  Department of Rehab: How flexible are they? Ideally they should be
able to pay for you to have a human reader if your DSS are unwilling.
> 2.  Find your own reader via church, putting up posters, or maybe even
emailing your Dean? They might be able to connect you with some people.
> Explain that you're looking for someone with basic math and science
abilities.  Then I sofest interviewing them.
> Since you already tried to take that course this semester, you may
> already
have some worksheets available.  Then you could ask them questions like, 
"What does this say?" Or "Can you read this?"
> So I think your ideal reader should:
> 1.  Understand basic math and science skills (if they understand
> advanced,
even better) 2.  Be willing to work with you and take your commands such as 
"slower" and "faster"
> 3.  Not have too heavy an accent.
> Hope this helps,
> Vejas
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,NFB Science and Engineering Division List 
<nfb-science at nfbnet.org>, "NFB ofMichigan Internet Mailing List"
> <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 19:46:34 +0000
> Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
>
> Hello All,
>
> Please forgive the multiple posts.  However, after sending my previous
email, I was wondering if there might be any kind of standers or guidelines 
for reading materials for math or science classes.  If there are any 
credible sources for standards or guidelines for reading materials for math 
or science classes, perhaps this might help me establish a good definition 
of a qualified reader for my math classes.
>
> I understand some of you may believe that Braille is the only way to
> go in
terms of being able to access materials for math classes.  However, as I 
have already indicated, I do not know Braille well enough to use for my math 
classes.  And as someone who grew up sighted, most of the time it is just 
easier for someone to read me a simple graphic or chart than it is for me to 
figure out how to read this information in Braille.
>
> The types of graphics and charts that were included in the math class
> that
I tried to take this semester included such things as number lines and a 
chart that was like an excel spreadsheet listing names of cities down one 
Colum and temperatures going down another Colum.  I am not quite sure what 
might be included in the other math classes that I need to take to meet the 
university math requirement for the university I would like to be able to 
transfer to after completing my associates degree.
>
> I am not looking to complete advance math classes here.  I am simply
trying to take what is required to meet the transfer requirements.  However, 
I am not quite sure how to go about fulfilling my math requirement when the 
disabilities office at the community college that I attend does not appear 
to work with me so I can gain equal access to the course required for my 
math classes.
>
> I do not know how else to gain access to the course materials required
> for
my math classes, and so far the college does not agree with me on what 
constitutes as a qualified reader.  So again, any assistance anyone could 
provide in helping me find a credible source for a good clear definition of 
qualified reader would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
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From jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com  Mon Mar 13 03:20:32 2017
From: jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com (Jason Polansky)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 22:20:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] google docs help
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I would not say that I am an expert, but I'll say what I do know. Basically, you want to make sure screen reader support is enabled and that command is control-alt-z. You also want to turn off the virtual cursor and you can do this by pressing insert and z twice quickly. You can essentially access menus as you would in an older version of microsoft word, except the you press alt-shift-f for the file menu instead of alt-f. In order for you to be able to navigate the document a little faster, it seems to work better if you go to accessibility under settings and turn on braille support, even if you are not using a braille display. There is also a way to access a list of commands, which you can also find in the accessibility settings. 

> On Mar 12, 2017, at 8:38 PM, Loren Wakefield via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I'd be quite interested in this as well.  
> 
> Loren 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron via
> NABS-L
> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 5:57 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Cc: Aaron
> Subject: [nabs-l] google docs help
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> What are some of the basic keyboard commands I need to know when editing
> within google docs on a pc? How do I move around the document? Thanks for
> any help. 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Aaron Linson 
> 
> CEO Blind Faith Project <http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject> 
> 
> CEO Linson Productions <http://www.linsonproductions.com/> 
> 
> Aaron Linson 
> 
> 
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Mon Mar 13 05:55:07 2017
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 22:55:07 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
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Evening, Elizabeth,

Forget everything. You know what works for you. Personally,  I 
understand the role of blind people within a social structure, we all 
can't have eyesight or fulfill a role of almighty sighted person. 
Don't worry that you use a reader. It's the most social means of 
accessing printed material, think modeling Federation ideals for 
Ol'Sighty. Everybody can't just help themselves without guidance.
You Federation-minded blind people are SSOOOO hard on yourselves 
already, and in turn, allow the organization to pressure you, talking 
you out of what has been proven to work best for you in your personal 
journey, it would seem to me, anyway.
Car

training center. However, regardless of what my blindness skills may 
be, my college does not have the means to produce math materials in 
Braille, and my college uses an inaccessible online learning platform 
for math classes. Unless any of these things change, I believe using 
a reader is the best option for me to gain equal access to the course 
materials for my math classes.

>I believe blind people should be able to choose whatever 
>accommodation works best for them in any given particular situation. 
>Simply because you do not believe successful independent blind 
>people should use readers when the situation calls for it does not 
>necessarily mean that blind people are any less successful or 
>independent for using readers as an accommodation.
>
>I greatly appreciate all the responses I have received on the email 
>list regarding information that is helpful for completing my 
>complaint form. However, now that the conversation has shifted to 
>how attending an NFB training center is a one size fits all solution 
>to every problem that a blind person faces in life, I will no longer 
>be responding to messages in this email thread.
>
>The National Federation of the Blind continues to issue press 
>releases regarding the legal assistance they are providing to other 
>blind college students who face the exact same barriers as me in 
>receiving equal access to course materials and student services on 
>their campuses. However, I have never seen any of these press 
>releases question the blindness skills of these students. Therefore, 
>I do not understand why people feel the need to do this to me. The 
>only thing this really does is push people away from being a part of 
>this organization.
>
>Warm regards,
>Elizabeth
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jen via NABS-L
>Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 2:34 PM
>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>Cc: Jen <spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net>
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
>
>Hi Elizabeth,
>
>I know your e-mail wasn't directed to me, but I would like to respond.
>Attending an NFB center would help you learn alternative techniques, 
>like braille. This way, when you went back to school, you wouldn't 
>need to have a reader, and independence would increase greatly for 
>you. . Is there a way you could ammend the form to to turn into a 
>justification to attend an NFB center?
>
>Jen
>
>spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
>Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:05 AM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
>
>Hello Vejas,
>
>Thank you for this suggestion, but I am not quite sure how planning 
>to attend an NFB training center at some point in the future is 
>going to help me write an official complaint form I am currently 
>trying to figure out how to write.
>
>Warm regards,
>Elizabeth
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas 
>Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
>Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 10:28 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
>
>Have you ever thought of attending a blindness training center such 
>as LCB, Blind Inc or CCB? You could learn Braille there. Some people 
>will then go back to the same college with a fresh attitude, or just 
>make a fresh start at a different college. You could also learn more 
>about advocacy at the seminars at the centers.
>Vejas
>
> > On Mar 11, 2017, at 18:31, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>wrote:
> >
> > Hello Jen,
> >
> > Thank you for your encouragement to continue to learn alternative
>techniques as an older non-traditional student. I plan to continue 
>to use and improve upon my Braille skills while completing the rest 
>of my college classes. However, I personally do not know of anyone 
>who has learned Braille as an older adult who is able to use it as a 
>primary mode of communication in college level classes. Therefore, I 
>feel as though I am simply being realistic regarding my own personal goals.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Elizabeth
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jen via
>NABS-L
> > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 9:23 PM
> > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Jen <spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net>
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
> >
> > Hi Elizabeth,
> >
> > Re: "nor do I believe I will ever have the Braille skills to use
> > Braille
>in a college-level math class"
> >
> > I can feel the frustration and pain in your post. It must be difficult
>navigating college and blindness at the same time. Although I am not 
>an older student, I can say it's never too late to learn alternative 
>techniques.
> >
> > Jen
> >
> > spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> >
> > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
>Mohnke via NABS-L
> > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 1:32 PM
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
> >
> > Hello Vejas,
> >
> > Thank you for taking the time to respond to my message. I agree with
>everything you mention in your email. However, the current personnel 
>of my college disabilities office does not necessarily agree that my 
>reader needs to be proficient in math in order to be a reader for 
>math. I have not been successful in arguing for the use of my own 
>readers instead of the readers they assign to me from the 
>disabilities office either.
> >
> > Since I do not know Braille well enough to use in a college level math
>class, nor do I believe I will ever have the Braille skills to use 
>Braille in a college level math class, I do not know how to gain 
>equal access to the course materials required for my math classes 
>besides the use of a reader who is proficient in reading math. 
>Therefore, I am looking for credible sources regarding the 
>definition of a qualified reader as this is the term that is used in 
>the Americans With Disabilities Act as a reasonable accommodation.
> >
> > Right now I feel as though the disabilities office is simply putting
> > up
>roadblocks that are only preventing me from being able to use the 
>accommodations I need to successfully complete my math requirements 
>required for my degree and transfer requirements. And so now I need 
>to go write the complaint form that I need to file within my college 
>so maybe I might be able to receive the accommodations I need to 
>receive equal access to the course materials required for my math classes.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Elizabeth
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
>Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 6:05 PM
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
> >
> > Hi Elizabeth,
> > I didn't know that there was such a thing as a "qualified"
> > reader"-I have learned that there are volunteer and paid readers.
> > I would think that the ideal math and science reader should be able to
>understand how to do all the basic math and science symbols.
> > I have a math reader.  I have the book in Braille, but it is to
> > clarify
>with diagrams.  She's a freshman at my college also, and took the 
>material I am currently taking last semester, so it is nice and 
>fresh in her mind.  (As I mentioned awhile back in one of my other 
>emails to you, my Disability Services chooses readers by 
>departments, although I fully understand that yours are not
> > willing.)
> > I think the 2 best options are:
> > 1.  Department of Rehab: How flexible are they? Ideally they should be
>able to pay for you to have a human reader if your DSS are unwilling.
> > 2.  Find your own reader via church, putting up posters, or maybe even
>emailing your Dean? They might be able to connect you with some people.
> > Explain that you're looking for someone with basic math and science
>abilities.  Then I sofest interviewing them.
> > Since you already tried to take that course this semester, you may
> > already
>have some worksheets available.  Then you could ask them questions 
>like, "What does this say?" Or "Can you read this?"
> > So I think your ideal reader should:
> > 1.  Understand basic math and science skills (if they understand
> > advanced,
>even better) 2.  Be willing to work with you and take your commands 
>such as "slower" and "faster"
> > 3.  Not have too heavy an accent.
> > Hope this helps,
> > Vejas
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,NFB Science and Engineering Division List 
><nfb-science at nfbnet.org>, "NFB ofMichigan Internet Mailing List"
> > <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org
> > Date sent: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 19:46:34 +0000
> > Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > Please forgive the multiple posts.  However, after sending my previous
>email, I was wondering if there might be any kind of standers or 
>guidelines for reading materials for math or science classes.  If 
>there are any credible sources for standards or guidelines for 
>reading materials for math or science classes, perhaps this might 
>help me establish a good definition of a qualified reader for my math classes.
> >
> > I understand some of you may believe that Braille is the only way to
> > go in
>terms of being able to access materials for math classes.  However, 
>as I have already indicated, I do not know Braille well enough to 
>use for my math classes.  And as someone who grew up sighted, most 
>of the time it is just easier for someone to read me a simple 
>graphic or chart than it is for me to figure out how to read this 
>information in Braille.
> >
> > The types of graphics and charts that were included in the math class
> > that
>I tried to take this semester included such things as number lines 
>and a chart that was like an excel spreadsheet listing names of 
>cities down one Colum and temperatures going down another Colum.  I 
>am not quite sure what might be included in the other math classes 
>that I need to take to meet the university math requirement for the 
>university I would like to be able to transfer to after completing 
>my associates degree.
> >
> > I am not looking to complete advance math classes here.  I am simply
>trying to take what is required to meet the transfer 
>requirements.  However, I am not quite sure how to go about 
>fulfilling my math requirement when the disabilities office at the 
>community college that I attend does not appear to work with me so I 
>can gain equal access to the course required for my math classes.
> >
> > I do not know how else to gain access to the course materials required
> > for
>my math classes, and so far the college does not agree with me on 
>what constitutes as a qualified reader.  So again, any assistance 
>anyone could provide in helping me find a credible source for a good 
>clear definition of qualified reader would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Elizabeth
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From mcapelle at charter.net  Mon Mar 13 06:02:05 2017
From: mcapelle at charter.net (Michael Capelle)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 01:02:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
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totally agree, you have to do what works for you.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: "Carly Mihalakis" <carlymih at comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 12:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers


> Evening, Elizabeth,
>
> Forget everything. You know what works for you. Personally,  I understand 
> the role of blind people within a social structure, we all can't have 
> eyesight or fulfill a role of almighty sighted person. Don't worry that 
> you use a reader. It's the most social means of accessing printed 
> material, think modeling Federation ideals for Ol'Sighty. Everybody can't 
> just help themselves without guidance.
> You Federation-minded blind people are SSOOOO hard on yourselves already, 
> and in turn, allow the organization to pressure you, talking you out of 
> what has been proven to work best for you in your personal journey, it 
> would seem to me, anyway.
> Car
>
> training center. However, regardless of what my blindness skills may be, 
> my college does not have the means to produce math materials in Braille, 
> and my college uses an inaccessible online learning platform for math 
> classes. Unless any of these things change, I believe using a reader is 
> the best option for me to gain equal access to the course materials for my 
> math classes.
>
>>I believe blind people should be able to choose whatever accommodation 
>>works best for them in any given particular situation. Simply because you 
>>do not believe successful independent blind people should use readers when 
>>the situation calls for it does not necessarily mean that blind people are 
>>any less successful or independent for using readers as an accommodation.
>>
>>I greatly appreciate all the responses I have received on the email list 
>>regarding information that is helpful for completing my complaint form. 
>>However, now that the conversation has shifted to how attending an NFB 
>>training center is a one size fits all solution to every problem that a 
>>blind person faces in life, I will no longer be responding to messages in 
>>this email thread.
>>
>>The National Federation of the Blind continues to issue press releases 
>>regarding the legal assistance they are providing to other blind college 
>>students who face the exact same barriers as me in receiving equal access 
>>to course materials and student services on their campuses. However, I 
>>have never seen any of these press releases question the blindness skills 
>>of these students. Therefore, I do not understand why people feel the need 
>>to do this to me. The only thing this really does is push people away from 
>>being a part of this organization.
>>
>>Warm regards,
>>Elizabeth
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jen via 
>>NABS-L
>>Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 2:34 PM
>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' 
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>Cc: Jen <spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net>
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
>>
>>Hi Elizabeth,
>>
>>I know your e-mail wasn't directed to me, but I would like to respond.
>>Attending an NFB center would help you learn alternative techniques, like 
>>braille. This way, when you went back to school, you wouldn't need to have 
>>a reader, and independence would increase greatly for you. . Is there a 
>>way you could ammend the form to to turn into a justification to attend an 
>>NFB center?
>>
>>Jen
>>
>>spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth 
>>Mohnke via NABS-L
>>Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:05 AM
>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
>>
>>Hello Vejas,
>>
>>Thank you for this suggestion, but I am not quite sure how planning to 
>>attend an NFB training center at some point in the future is going to help 
>>me write an official complaint form I am currently trying to figure out 
>>how to write.
>>
>>Warm regards,
>>Elizabeth
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas 
>>Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
>>Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 10:28 PM
>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
>>
>>Have you ever thought of attending a blindness training center such as 
>>LCB, Blind Inc or CCB? You could learn Braille there. Some people will 
>>then go back to the same college with a fresh attitude, or just make a 
>>fresh start at a different college. You could also learn more about 
>>advocacy at the seminars at the centers.
>>Vejas
>>
>> > On Mar 11, 2017, at 18:31, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
>> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello Jen,
>> >
>> > Thank you for your encouragement to continue to learn alternative
>>techniques as an older non-traditional student. I plan to continue to use 
>>and improve upon my Braille skills while completing the rest of my college 
>>classes. However, I personally do not know of anyone who has learned 
>>Braille as an older adult who is able to use it as a primary mode of 
>>communication in college level classes. Therefore, I feel as though I am 
>>simply being realistic regarding my own personal goals.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Elizabeth
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jen via
>>NABS-L
>> > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 9:23 PM
>> > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> > Cc: Jen <spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net>
>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
>> >
>> > Hi Elizabeth,
>> >
>> > Re: "nor do I believe I will ever have the Braille skills to use
>> > Braille
>>in a college-level math class"
>> >
>> > I can feel the frustration and pain in your post. It must be difficult
>>navigating college and blindness at the same time. Although I am not an 
>>older student, I can say it's never too late to learn alternative 
>>techniques.
>> >
>> > Jen
>> >
>> > spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> >
>> >
>> > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
>>Mohnke via NABS-L
>> > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 1:32 PM
>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> > Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
>> >
>> > Hello Vejas,
>> >
>> > Thank you for taking the time to respond to my message. I agree with
>>everything you mention in your email. However, the current personnel of my 
>>college disabilities office does not necessarily agree that my reader 
>>needs to be proficient in math in order to be a reader for math. I have 
>>not been successful in arguing for the use of my own readers instead of 
>>the readers they assign to me from the disabilities office either.
>> >
>> > Since I do not know Braille well enough to use in a college level math
>>class, nor do I believe I will ever have the Braille skills to use Braille 
>>in a college level math class, I do not know how to gain equal access to 
>>the course materials required for my math classes besides the use of a 
>>reader who is proficient in reading math. Therefore, I am looking for 
>>credible sources regarding the definition of a qualified reader as this is 
>>the term that is used in the Americans With Disabilities Act as a 
>>reasonable accommodation.
>> >
>> > Right now I feel as though the disabilities office is simply putting
>> > up
>>roadblocks that are only preventing me from being able to use the 
>>accommodations I need to successfully complete my math requirements 
>>required for my degree and transfer requirements. And so now I need to go 
>>write the complaint form that I need to file within my college so maybe I 
>>might be able to receive the accommodations I need to receive equal access 
>>to the course materials required for my math classes.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Elizabeth
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
>>Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 6:05 PM
>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> > Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
>> >
>> > Hi Elizabeth,
>> > I didn't know that there was such a thing as a "qualified"
>> > reader"-I have learned that there are volunteer and paid readers.
>> > I would think that the ideal math and science reader should be able to
>>understand how to do all the basic math and science symbols.
>> > I have a math reader.  I have the book in Braille, but it is to
>> > clarify
>>with diagrams.  She's a freshman at my college also, and took the material 
>>I am currently taking last semester, so it is nice and fresh in her mind. 
>>(As I mentioned awhile back in one of my other emails to you, my 
>>Disability Services chooses readers by departments, although I fully 
>>understand that yours are not
>> > willing.)
>> > I think the 2 best options are:
>> > 1.  Department of Rehab: How flexible are they? Ideally they should be
>>able to pay for you to have a human reader if your DSS are unwilling.
>> > 2.  Find your own reader via church, putting up posters, or maybe even
>>emailing your Dean? They might be able to connect you with some people.
>> > Explain that you're looking for someone with basic math and science
>>abilities.  Then I sofest interviewing them.
>> > Since you already tried to take that course this semester, you may
>> > already
>>have some worksheets available.  Then you could ask them questions like, 
>>"What does this say?" Or "Can you read this?"
>> > So I think your ideal reader should:
>> > 1.  Understand basic math and science skills (if they understand
>> > advanced,
>>even better) 2.  Be willing to work with you and take your commands such 
>>as "slower" and "faster"
>> > 3.  Not have too heavy an accent.
>> > Hope this helps,
>> > Vejas
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,NFB Science and Engineering Division List 
>><nfb-science at nfbnet.org>, "NFB ofMichigan Internet Mailing List"
>> > <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org
>> > Date sent: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 19:46:34 +0000
>> > Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
>> >
>> > Hello All,
>> >
>> > Please forgive the multiple posts.  However, after sending my previous
>>email, I was wondering if there might be any kind of standers or 
>>guidelines for reading materials for math or science classes.  If there 
>>are any credible sources for standards or guidelines for reading materials 
>>for math or science classes, perhaps this might help me establish a good 
>>definition of a qualified reader for my math classes.
>> >
>> > I understand some of you may believe that Braille is the only way to
>> > go in
>>terms of being able to access materials for math classes.  However, as I 
>>have already indicated, I do not know Braille well enough to use for my 
>>math classes.  And as someone who grew up sighted, most of the time it is 
>>just easier for someone to read me a simple graphic or chart than it is 
>>for me to figure out how to read this information in Braille.
>> >
>> > The types of graphics and charts that were included in the math class
>> > that
>>I tried to take this semester included such things as number lines and a 
>>chart that was like an excel spreadsheet listing names of cities down one 
>>Colum and temperatures going down another Colum.  I am not quite sure what 
>>might be included in the other math classes that I need to take to meet 
>>the university math requirement for the university I would like to be able 
>>to transfer to after completing my associates degree.
>> >
>> > I am not looking to complete advance math classes here.  I am simply
>>trying to take what is required to meet the transfer requirements. 
>>However, I am not quite sure how to go about fulfilling my math 
>>requirement when the disabilities office at the community college that I 
>>attend does not appear to work with me so I can gain equal access to the 
>>course required for my math classes.
>> >
>> > I do not know how else to gain access to the course materials required
>> > for
>>my math classes, and so far the college does not agree with me on what 
>>constitutes as a qualified reader.  So again, any assistance anyone could 
>>provide in helping me find a credible source for a good clear definition 
>>of qualified reader would be greatly appreciated.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Elizabeth
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Mon Mar 13 06:43:05 2017
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 23:43:05 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers
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Evening, Elizabeth,

         Like your's, my own relationship with the braille dot is a 
little bit of a troubled one. After being convinced of the 
nonnegotiable Merrit of using braille for my entire childhood, at age 
19, I became brain damaged, a result of said brain damage being a 
crippling case of tactual appraxia (inability for hand and brain to 
communicate details), a show stopper if you hope to see braille 
characters with some degree of accuracy. However, my problems are 
hardware-based,I  maintain mental knowledge of the code and can write 
on a slate or braille writer, if pressed. Not that the product will 
be anything to write home about..
But no, knowledge of the braille code does not indicate an excellent 
literacy, or any other flavor of superior blind whatever. I don't 
blame you for just getting a reader to communicate complex math 
expressions. Why ought a formerly sighted person be a slave to 
whether or not she is a Nemeth mistress, determine how well she does 
in a math class, anyway? So braille is not, the be all, end all 
especially when extenuating circumstances play such a role in shaping 
the outcome of the matter?
Keep us posted, Lizzy!
Car/7/2017, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote:
>Hello All,
>
>Please forgive the multiple posts. However, after sending my 
>previous email, I was wondering if there might be any kind of 
>standers or guidelines for reading materials for math or science 
>classes. If there are any credible sources for standards or 
>guidelines for reading materials for math or science classes, 
>perhaps this might help me establish a good definition of a 
>qualified reader for my math classes.
>
>I understand some of you may believe that Braille is the only way to 
>go in terms of being able to access materials for math classes. 
>However, as I have already indicated, I do not know Braille well 
>enough to use for my math classes. And as someone who grew up 
>sighted, most of the time it is just easier for someone to read me a 
>simple graphic or chart than it is for me to figure out how to read 
>this information in Braille.
>
>The types of graphics and charts that were included in the math 
>class that I tried to take this semester included such things as 
>number lines and a chart that was like an excel spreadsheet listing 
>names of cities down one Colum and temperatures going down another 
>Colum. I am not quite sure what might be included in the other math 
>classes that I need to take to meet the university math requirement 
>for the university I would like to be able to transfer to after 
>completing my associates degree.
>
>I am not looking to complete advance math classes here. I am simply 
>trying to take what is required to meet the transfer requirements. 
>However, I am not quite sure how to go about fulfilling my math 
>requirement when the disabilities office at the community college 
>that I attend does not appear to work with me so I can gain equal 
>access to the course required for my math classes.
>
>I do not know how else to gain access to the course materials 
>required for my math classes, and so far the college does not agree 
>with me on what constitutes as a qualified reader. So again, any 
>assistance anyone could provide in helping me find a credible source 
>for a good clear definition of qualified reader would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>Elizabeth
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From blacklotus86 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 13 07:36:01 2017
From: blacklotus86 at gmail.com (zeynep sule yilmaz)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 00:36:01 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] google docs help
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	<C7E85F29-BB3C-4693-9DFA-80CDFC96C820@gmail.com>
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Hi,

Just google it as screen reader support for google docs or jaws and
google docs on google. You will get bunch of info on freedom
scientific website and google support. One helpful info, I use google
chrome when I deal with google docs and it seemed the most compatible
but I might be wrong about this.
Thanks


2017-03-12 20:20 GMT-07:00, Jason Polansky via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> I would not say that I am an expert, but I'll say what I do know. Basically,
> you want to make sure screen reader support is enabled and that command is
> control-alt-z. You also want to turn off the virtual cursor and you can do
> this by pressing insert and z twice quickly. You can essentially access
> menus as you would in an older version of microsoft word, except the you
> press alt-shift-f for the file menu instead of alt-f. In order for you to be
> able to navigate the document a little faster, it seems to work better if
> you go to accessibility under settings and turn on braille support, even if
> you are not using a braille display. There is also a way to access a list of
> commands, which you can also find in the accessibility settings.
>
>> On Mar 12, 2017, at 8:38 PM, Loren Wakefield via NABS-L
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I'd be quite interested in this as well.
>>
>> Loren
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron via
>> NABS-L
>> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 5:57 PM
>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>> Cc: Aaron
>> Subject: [nabs-l] google docs help
>>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> What are some of the basic keyboard commands I need to know when editing
>> within google docs on a pc? How do I move around the document? Thanks for
>> any help.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Aaron Linson
>>
>> CEO Blind Faith Project <http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject>
>>
>> CEO Linson Productions <http://www.linsonproductions.com/>
>>
>> Aaron Linson
>>
>>
>>
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 13 07:57:48 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 03:57:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] google docs help
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You've got to hit shift control f until you hear normal aerial controls. You
might open a document, and it defaults there, but if you can't get into the
filed menues with shift alt f, that's why, so you've got to hit shift
control f to get to normal arial controls.
 Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of zeynep sule
yilmaz via NABS-L
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 3:36 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: zeynep sule yilmaz <blacklotus86 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] google docs help

Hi,

Just google it as screen reader support for google docs or jaws and google
docs on google. You will get bunch of info on freedom scientific website and
google support. One helpful info, I use google chrome when I deal with
google docs and it seemed the most compatible but I might be wrong about
this.
Thanks


2017-03-12 20:20 GMT-07:00, Jason Polansky via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> I would not say that I am an expert, but I'll say what I do know. 
> Basically, you want to make sure screen reader support is enabled and 
> that command is control-alt-z. You also want to turn off the virtual 
> cursor and you can do this by pressing insert and z twice quickly. You 
> can essentially access menus as you would in an older version of 
> microsoft word, except the you press alt-shift-f for the file menu 
> instead of alt-f. In order for you to be able to navigate the document 
> a little faster, it seems to work better if you go to accessibility 
> under settings and turn on braille support, even if you are not using 
> a braille display. There is also a way to access a list of commands, which
you can also find in the accessibility settings.
>
>> On Mar 12, 2017, at 8:38 PM, Loren Wakefield via NABS-L 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I'd be quite interested in this as well.
>>
>> Loren
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron 
>> via NABS-L
>> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 5:57 PM
>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>> Cc: Aaron
>> Subject: [nabs-l] google docs help
>>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> What are some of the basic keyboard commands I need to know when 
>> editing within google docs on a pc? How do I move around the 
>> document? Thanks for any help.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Aaron Linson
>>
>> CEO Blind Faith Project <http://www.facebook.com/blindfaithproject>
>>
>> CEO Linson Productions <http://www.linsonproductions.com/>
>>
>> Aaron Linson
>>
>>
>>
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From kskristen at gmail.com  Mon Mar 13 19:34:42 2017
From: kskristen at gmail.com (Kristen)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 13:34:42 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Uploading Files from iPhone
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Hi, all-

I am a volunteer proofreader for Bookshare and use my Apex to 
read/edit the files, which are RTF format, in Braille. A few 
months ago, they updated their security software; as a result, 
the volunteer pages do not load on the BrailleNote anymore.

I hope to continue proofreading and am trying to set up a 
work-around using my iPhone. (We moved last summer and do not yet 
have a computer with a screenreader set up. I am faster on my 
Apex and iPhone anyway and prefer those.) So far, I have 
successfully been able to checkout the book I would like to 
proofread and e-mail it to myself (for access on the Apex) when 
it loads the file from the Bookshare website on my phone screen.

My question is, how would I go about uploading the proofread book 
from the Mail app on the iPhone to the website? Do I need an app 
to store the file, so I can find it to submit? I've read that you 
cannot upload documents with Safari. Is there another browser app 
that works better for this?

In short, what would you recommend for apps for storing RTFs and 
uploading them online?

Thanks so much!
--
Kristen


From ljmaher at swbell.net  Mon Mar 13 19:11:29 2017
From: ljmaher at swbell.net (Louis Maher)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 14:11:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Uploading Files from iPhone
In-Reply-To: <58c6e643.e7136b0a.6c3f8.5b66@mx.google.com>
References: <58c6e643.e7136b0a.6c3f8.5b66@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <000e01d29c2d$a05c9890$e115c9b0$@swbell.net>

Dropbox works well.  You will have to establish a free Dropbox account on a
main computer, and download the iOS Dropbox application.  You will login, on
iOS, through the Dropbox application.

You could also use iTunes to move files; however, I am less familiar with
this process.



Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher at swbell.net

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kristen via
NABS-L
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 2:35 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Kristen <kskristen at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Uploading Files from iPhone

Hi, all-

I am a volunteer proofreader for Bookshare and use my Apex to read/edit the
files, which are RTF format, in Braille. A few months ago, they updated
their security software; as a result, the volunteer pages do not load on the
BrailleNote anymore.

I hope to continue proofreading and am trying to set up a work-around using
my iPhone. (We moved last summer and do not yet have a computer with a
screenreader set up. I am faster on my Apex and iPhone anyway and prefer
those.) So far, I have successfully been able to checkout the book I would
like to proofread and e-mail it to myself (for access on the Apex) when it
loads the file from the Bookshare website on my phone screen.

My question is, how would I go about uploading the proofread book from the
Mail app on the iPhone to the website? Do I need an app to store the file,
so I can find it to submit? I've read that you cannot upload documents with
Safari. Is there another browser app that works better for this?

In short, what would you recommend for apps for storing RTFs and uploading
them online?

Thanks so much!
--
Kristen

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From johnniejduran at gmail.com  Mon Mar 13 19:34:04 2017
From: johnniejduran at gmail.com (johnnie Jean duran)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 13:34:04 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Uploading Files from iPhone
In-Reply-To: <58c6e643.e7136b0a.6c3f8.5b66@mx.google.com>
References: <58c6e643.e7136b0a.6c3f8.5b66@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAOiA0St6CKAHCfzUNO70aw_fb3fKKjs=6oDfsH13tjfdSy_OOw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
What you can do, is go online using safari, and create a dropbox
account. Then download the app, and sign in. Once you have done so,
open the book in mail, click share, and then click "import with
dropbox." Save it where you'd like, and then go to the safari website
(where you tysically upload the book), and select the choose a file
button. For the first time, dropbox will not appear in the menu, so
click more, and toggle the dropbox switch to on. From there, click
done, and select dropbox. Then, you can find the file, and select the
use/upload button. After that you should be good to go. The next time
you go to upload a file, dropbox should already appear in the menu
without having to select more.
Let me know if you have questions!

On 3/13/17, Kristen via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi, all-
>
> I am a volunteer proofreader for Bookshare and use my Apex to
> read/edit the files, which are RTF format, in Braille. A few
> months ago, they updated their security software; as a result,
> the volunteer pages do not load on the BrailleNote anymore.
>
> I hope to continue proofreading and am trying to set up a
> work-around using my iPhone. (We moved last summer and do not yet
> have a computer with a screenreader set up. I am faster on my
> Apex and iPhone anyway and prefer those.) So far, I have
> successfully been able to checkout the book I would like to
> proofread and e-mail it to myself (for access on the Apex) when
> it loads the file from the Bookshare website on my phone screen.
>
> My question is, how would I go about uploading the proofread book
> from the Mail app on the iPhone to the website? Do I need an app
> to store the file, so I can find it to submit? I've read that you
> cannot upload documents with Safari. Is there another browser app
> that works better for this?
>
> In short, what would you recommend for apps for storing RTFs and
> uploading them online?
>
> Thanks so much!
> --
> Kristen
>
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NABS-L:
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>


-- 
Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran
http://www.gofundme.com/jjd-grad-fund
Secretary
North Metro Chapter
http://www.facebook.com/northmetrochapter
&
Secretary
Colorado Association of Blind Students (CABS)
http://www.facebook.com/cobs2014
http://www.twitter.com/cabslink
National Federation of the Blind of Colorado (NFBCO)
http://www.nfbco.org
11th Grade
John F. Kennedy High School
Denver, Colorado
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/missjjd99
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/miss_jjd
Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/miss_jjd


From kskristen at gmail.com  Mon Mar 13 19:49:12 2017
From: kskristen at gmail.com (Kristen Steele)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 14:49:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Uploading Files from iPhone
In-Reply-To: <CAOiA0St6CKAHCfzUNO70aw_fb3fKKjs=6oDfsH13tjfdSy_OOw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <58c6e643.e7136b0a.6c3f8.5b66@mx.google.com>
	<CAOiA0St6CKAHCfzUNO70aw_fb3fKKjs=6oDfsH13tjfdSy_OOw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD6Dm-2ZBP0jjBRGdnWaWJFo3Z25Xhj=m2jfxYzxUJr4tv58iA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the clear explanation, JJ! That really helps. I'll save
this and let you know if I have any trouble.

Best,
--
Kristen

On 3/13/17, johnnie Jean duran via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> What you can do, is go online using safari, and create a dropbox
> account. Then download the app, and sign in. Once you have done so,
> open the book in mail, click share, and then click "import with
> dropbox." Save it where you'd like, and then go to the safari website
> (where you tysically upload the book), and select the choose a file
> button. For the first time, dropbox will not appear in the menu, so
> click more, and toggle the dropbox switch to on. From there, click
> done, and select dropbox. Then, you can find the file, and select the
> use/upload button. After that you should be good to go. The next time
> you go to upload a file, dropbox should already appear in the menu
> without having to select more.
> Let me know if you have questions!
>
> On 3/13/17, Kristen via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi, all-
>>
>> I am a volunteer proofreader for Bookshare and use my Apex to
>> read/edit the files, which are RTF format, in Braille. A few
>> months ago, they updated their security software; as a result,
>> the volunteer pages do not load on the BrailleNote anymore.
>>
>> I hope to continue proofreading and am trying to set up a
>> work-around using my iPhone. (We moved last summer and do not yet
>> have a computer with a screenreader set up. I am faster on my
>> Apex and iPhone anyway and prefer those.) So far, I have
>> successfully been able to checkout the book I would like to
>> proofread and e-mail it to myself (for access on the Apex) when
>> it loads the file from the Bookshare website on my phone screen.
>>
>> My question is, how would I go about uploading the proofread book
>> from the Mail app on the iPhone to the website? Do I need an app
>> to store the file, so I can find it to submit? I've read that you
>> cannot upload documents with Safari. Is there another browser app
>> that works better for this?
>>
>> In short, what would you recommend for apps for storing RTFs and
>> uploading them online?
>>
>> Thanks so much!
>> --
>> Kristen
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/johnniejduran%40gmail.com
>>
>
>
> --
> Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran
> http://www.gofundme.com/jjd-grad-fund
> Secretary
> North Metro Chapter
> http://www.facebook.com/northmetrochapter
> &
> Secretary
> Colorado Association of Blind Students (CABS)
> http://www.facebook.com/cobs2014
> http://www.twitter.com/cabslink
> National Federation of the Blind of Colorado (NFBCO)
> http://www.nfbco.org
> 11th Grade
> John F. Kennedy High School
> Denver, Colorado
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/missjjd99
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/miss_jjd
> Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/miss_jjd
>
> _______________________________________________
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> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NABS-L:
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>


From mausbun at unr.edu  Tue Mar 14 18:45:08 2017
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 18:45:08 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Important: Scholarship Information
Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B2372B7DA@UBOX3.unr.edu>

Dear fellow students,
	Are you currently or will you soon be a college student? Have you thought about receiving free money, to curtail some of your probable student debt? Have you taken into consideration that on top of your standard tuition costs, textbooks often range into the hundreds of dollars? Well, you are just in luck!
	As I am sure you are aware, the National Federation of the Blind offers thirty scholarships ranging between 3,000 to 12,000 dollars. On top of the monetary gaining’s, those who are selected are provided with an opportunity to attend the National Federation of the Blind’s annual National convention, and given a unique experience of being mentored by different blind professionals each day, in areas of interest to the scholarship recipient.
	Now, you might be saying to yourself, “Why on earth would I want to sit around with all these blind people, and hang out with these rigid, snooty professional types?” The answer is quite simple, although multifaceted. First, the National Convention is the largest gathering of blind people, and is brought to us by the oldest and largest organization of blind people in the nation. Thus, the event itself is full of opportunities to network, make connections (both in the blindness community and without), and necessarily must be a good time–after all, there has been lots of years to perfect this event. Secondly, the misconceptions about blindness, which we all strive to modify and correct, are shaped at the National Convention. We have opportunities to hear methods for reshaping the world, and can gather new strategies for implementing change in our own lives to grant greater opportunity for us and others. Finally, scholarship recipients are granted an opportunity to be mentored, and hang out with, leaders within the Federation–the previously mentioned professional types. Each of these mentors is an expert in their field, and have had plenty of experience exercising their opportunities, devising ways and means to be successful.
	The deadline is fast approaching; it is only seventeen days away! The largest barrier for you in this process is the application itself; it is necessarily true that those who do not apply never receive a scholarship. So, what are you waiting for? Do not forget that you need to have an interview with your state's National Federation of the Blind Affiliate President. Good luck! For more information, please visit: 
https://nfb.org/scholarships

Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun
Secretary, national Association of Blind Students
A proud Devision of the national Federation of the Blind


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 15 14:14:19 2017
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 10:14:19 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Just Wanted To Share
Message-ID: <58c94c64.db41240a.60939.0fcc@mx.google.com>

Hi Vanna congratulations on your accomplishment.  I am very happy 
for you.


From nabs.president at gmail.com  Thu Mar 16 14:06:25 2017
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster, NABS President)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 10:06:25 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Another win for blind students: Harry Staley's efforts for
 equal access to education in Texas
Message-ID: <082201d29e5e$80305010$8090f030$@gmail.com>

Fellow students,

 

                I am exceedingly proud to announce that one of our ambitious members has scored another win in our fight toward equal access to education. Harry Staley of Texas has been fighting tirelessly to gain university support from his college: Texas A&M University. As of this week, we are proud to announce that a letter has been acquired. With university support from states such as Texas, North Carolina, Nevada, and New Jersey, we are on our way toward success with our national legislation. I encourage you to follow in his footsteps. With every new college backing our efforts, an increased in likelihood of passing AIM-HEA occurs. It is up to us to take that step, request a meeting with your university president, bring support from fellow students, and let’s make this happen. We are proud of Harry Staley’s efforts in ensuring blind students receive universal access to education. This will not happen overnight; and it starts at the college level.

 

If students need personal testimonies for support from your state, reach out to Michael Ausbun or myself and we will certainly send you them. You have an entire organization backing you in this fight and working alongside you for the benefit of all of us.

 

Congratulations to Harry. Now, who’s next?

 

Don’t deny AIM-HEA,

Kathryn Webster

President | National Association of Blind Students


From emitchell927 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 17 14:51:39 2017
From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 10:51:39 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question
Message-ID: <358E3B4B-7B56-4069-8F86-D348811FE72E@gmail.com>


What year was the Nfb founded?
Sent from my iPhone


From mikgephart at icloud.com  Fri Mar 17 15:16:20 2017
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 11:16:20 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question
In-Reply-To: <358E3B4B-7B56-4069-8F86-D348811FE72E@gmail.com>
References: <358E3B4B-7B56-4069-8F86-D348811FE72E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <210A7259-E5A7-4ABD-8CF3-E4EFA7FFF5B4@icloud.com>

1940
> On Mar 17, 2017, at 10:51 AM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> What year was the Nfb founded?
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Fri Mar 17 16:54:04 2017
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 11:54:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question
In-Reply-To: <358E3B4B-7B56-4069-8F86-D348811FE72E@gmail.com>
References: <358E3B4B-7B56-4069-8F86-D348811FE72E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A56FF7B1-BC56-44D7-A176-5A8147B54BA8@gmail.com>

Great question. We were founded in 1940.

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 17, 2017, at 9:51 AM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> What year was the Nfb founded?
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Fri Mar 17 17:29:19 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 10:29:19 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Amazon
Message-ID: <C4653870-638C-496B-8FE0-7D4D589DAB0D@gmail.com>

Hi All,
Does anyone know if you can directly download music from Amazon onto a Braillenote Apex?  I have heard that the site is somewhat accessible.
Thanks,
Vejas

From louvins at gmail.com  Fri Mar 17 17:43:41 2017
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 12:43:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Amazon
In-Reply-To: <C4653870-638C-496B-8FE0-7D4D589DAB0D@gmail.com>
References: <C4653870-638C-496B-8FE0-7D4D589DAB0D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADUoy9u-KBFMBawxMPWeRsDsV==ZCKMZUAC=fpT628X=Sgiu8Q@mail.gmail.com>

It might be possible, but I'm not really sure.  I did order a few
things from amazon using my apex, but it wasn't easy.

On 3/17/17, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi All,
> Does anyone know if you can directly download music from Amazon onto a
> Braillenote Apex?  I have heard that the site is somewhat accessible.
> Thanks,
> Vejas
> _______________________________________________
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> NABS-L:
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sat Mar 18 00:13:03 2017
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 19:13:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] help shape design of a new  visual assistant
Message-ID: <auto-000079234105@mailfront1.g2host.com>


>
>Subject: Join us Saturday, 1:00 PM Eastern, and help shape design of a new
>  visual assistant



>Saturday, Mar 18
>1:00 pm EDT
>RSVP to attend in person or remotely via Hangouts:
>
><mailto:ChanceyFleet at nypl.org>ChanceyFleet at nypl.org
>
>or
>
>(212) 621-0627
>
>Join us for an afternoon of dialog about emerging accessible technology.
>
>Meet the creators of INVIP, an audio assistant 
>based on Raspberry Pi, and help inform the 
>design and development of the prototype. This student design
>team is in the process of narrowing their goals 
>and deciding on a feature set and interface for 
>their product, and they need to talk with real blind people
>so that the end result will be useful, 
>innovative and solve real problems. By engaging 
>with student developers, we help shape the future of accessible
>technology. Here’s what the INVIP team has to say about their project:
>
>"We are a group of passionate engineers, 
>psychologists and developers hoping to help 
>visually impaired people lead more independent lives. Nicolas, Brenda
>
>and Nuvina are grad students at the NYIU Tandon 
>School of Engineering (majoring in management of 
>technology). Isabel is doing a Masters of Public Health
>
>at Columbia University, Edson has an MS in 
>psychology from the University of Barcelona and 
>is currently teaching at the University of Guadalajara. We are
>
>testing a mobile app as well as a wearable 
>device fit with a tiny camera and the new 
>Raspberry Pi Wm that;’s smaller than a pack of cigarettes but carries
>
>enough processing power to do image and object 
>recognition. We are also testing whether to have 
>an online solution (working with Microsoft or Google Computer
>
>Vision APIs), or stand-alone (processing doen by embedded electronics).”
>
>Then, join a rount-table discussion and recap of 
>the 2017 International Conference on Technology 
>and Persons with Disabilities (better known as CSUN).
>
>Light refreshments will be served.
>
>Directions, other events and our blog can all be found at
>
><http://TalkingBooks.nypl.org>TalkingBooks.nypl.org
>
>
>--
>Chancey S. Fleet
>Assistive Technology Coordinator
>Andrew Heiskell Braille and Talking Book Library
>(212) 621-0627
>

From mausbun at unr.edu  Sat Mar 18 15:03:31 2017
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 15:03:31 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Legislative Committee Reminder
Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B2372C8B8@UBOX3.unr.edu>

Hello Fellow Students,
	I am writing you all to remind you of tomorrows conference call concerning meeting with university Presidents to discuss the Accessible Instructional materials in Higher Education Act. If you have ever wondered how to meet with a University president, conduct a meeting with a university president, or what to discuss when meeting with a university president, this is the call for you! Please join us at 7:00 Central daylight time for a fun, informational call!
Call in number: (605) 475-6700
Access Code: 7869673
Hope to see many of you there!
Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun


From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Sun Mar 19 21:40:40 2017
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 16:40:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Scholarships Available for Legally Blind
 Students, apply by April 15, 2017
In-Reply-To: <001801d2a0f7$086f8be0$194ea3a0$@gmail.com>
References: <001801d2a0f7$086f8be0$194ea3a0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001101d2a0f9$7510ecb0$5f32c610$@visi.com>

The following reminder is being sent on behalf of Lori Anderson, the chair
of the NFB of Minnesota Scholarship Committee:


There is less than one month before the April 15 deadline to apply for a
scholarship from the National Federation of the Blind of Minnesota. Legally
blind postsecondary students attending school full-time in Minnesota are
encouraged to apply.  

Please download the application and all pertinent information at 
http://www.nfbmn.org/students/scholarship.htm or use the attached document.
If possible, please fill out the application using the Microsoft Word
document and send it with the required documents to
Scholarships.nfbmn at gmail.com.  If it is necessary to submit the application
on paper, use the mailing address supplied with the application.

For help with the application process, please contact me:
Lori Anderson
Scholarship Committee Chair
National Federation of the Blind of Minnesota
Scholarships.nfbmn at gmail.com
612-270-4381

*** A Note from our national office:  Thirty-one scholarships will be
awarded by the National Federation of the Blind.  The deadline for NFB
applications is March 31, 2017. Details are accessible from the main page of
the National Federation of the Blind website: https://www.nfb.org.  


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From syedrizvinfb at gmail.com  Mon Mar 20 03:50:01 2017
From: syedrizvinfb at gmail.com (Syed Rizvi)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 22:50:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind beach bods
Message-ID: <E57C0CB6-1923-474D-81EC-786B3E918044@gmail.com>

Nabsters!
You forget that the core of nabs is abs! With beach season right around the corner, let's start chiseling those six packs.
Next Sunday, March 26th, at 8 PM eastern, we will be having an info session catered to your fitness needs. Never stepped in a gym, or a seasoned athlete, I guarantee we'll help you reach your goals. Our guests will be blind body builder, Dylan Smith, and the beautiful blind skier and cycle list Evelyn Valdez. We will be covering everything from the awkwardness of navigating a new gym, to exercise and diet routines.
The call in number is: 605-475-6700;
and code: 786-9673.
I can already smell the sunscreen and hear those waves, make sure you're rocking that bod.
Yours truly,
   Syed Rizvi 

From Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu  Mon Mar 20 15:41:05 2017
From: Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte (Student))
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 15:41:05 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Blog for March
Message-ID: <9D25E8B0-B528-40AA-B63C-C755E8954733@asu.edu>

Greetings NABS,

Attached is a link to this months blog post. It comes from Ana Martinez a current student at Louisiana Center for the Blind. In this article Ana shares with you her experience applying her skills learned at LCB to live the life she wants while participating in the festivities of Mardi Gras. Join with me in reading this story of taking the skills developed at one of our training centers, applying those skills, and ultimately being successful in living the life she wants!

If you have any questions please contact Bryan at bjduarte at asu.edu<mailto:bjduarte at asu.edu>

http://nabslink.org/content/nabs-blog-march-ana-martinez-mardi-gras

Bryan Duarte | software engineer
ASU Computer Science Ph.D Student
Alliance for Person-centered Accessible Technology IGERT Fellow
National Association of Blind Students | Board Member
Arizona Association of Blind Students | President

The National Federation of the Blind is a community of members and friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation’s blind. Every day we work together to help blind people live the lives they want.


From Justin.A.Haegele at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 20 16:54:34 2017
From: Justin.A.Haegele at hotmail.com (Justin Haegele)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 16:54:34 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Research Recruitment about Physical Education Experiences
Message-ID: <BN6PR12MB160140414BDF1C4F97930FEFD63A0@BN6PR12MB1601.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Dear NFB Discussion List:



We are conducting a study exploring the experiences of males and females with visual impairments in physical education. We are looking at how both gender and having a visual impairment impacted physical education experiences. To conduct this study we need the participation of adult aged-individuals with visual impairments. This study will ask participants to complete a 60-90 minute interview with a research team member, and to communicate via email several times afterwards. We are searching for 20 individuals who are legally blind, 18 to 35 years of age, and had a visual impairment during their k-12 experience.



All participants who complete the 60-90 minute interview will receive a $20.00 gift cards. If you, or someone you know, is interested in participating in this study, please email Justin Haegele at jhaegele at odu.edu.



If you have any questions regarding this study, please contact me. My information is below. Thank you,



Justin A. Haegele, PhD, CAPE
Assistant Professor
Health & Physical Education
Department of Human Movement Sciences
Old Dominion University
 (757) 683-5338
2009 Student Recreation Center
Norfolk, VA 23529


From ljmaher at swbell.net  Mon Mar 20 18:23:45 2017
From: ljmaher at swbell.net (Louis Maher)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 13:23:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Skype Hints
Message-ID: <002101d2a1a7$1d3db780$57b92680$@swbell.net>

Folks,

I am new to Skype.

With the help of the Microsoft disability help desk (1-800-936-5900), I now
know how to make a group in Skype.  A group will allow you to initiate a
meeting, with one keystroke, for all the people in the group.  I am using
Windows 10 and JAWS 18.

Once you are in Skype, hit alt + c to go to the contacts menu.  (You could
press alt, then right arrow to the contacts menu.).  Arrow down to create a
group, hit enter, and add names to your group.  (Note that control + n will
take you directly to the "create a group" dialog.) By tabbing around, you
can find a field that shows people you have entered.  Once you have added
all the group members, tab to the add button, and hit enter.  

Next, hit alt + o (alt, right arrow twice) to reach the conversations menu.
Arrow down to  
"save the group to contacts", hit enter.  You are now in a field which holds
the group name.  Initially, the group name is the names of the people in the
group. You can change the name if you wish.  Hit OK, and your group is now
in your contacts list.  Note that alt+1 will take you to the contacts list.
The applications menu will let you call the members of the group at one key
stroke.  Also, note that the application menu has an option to remove the
group.

Note that alt + t takes you to the tools menu, arrow down to options, enter,
and you can arrow down to key shortcut key options.  Here are some
shortcuts:

"shortcut keys
alt + page down hangup
alt + page up answer voice call
control + alt + pgup answer video call
control + alt + pgdn decline call
alt +1 contact list"

Please let me know if there are easier ways to make a group.  The create
group dialog should have a "save group to contact" option.

Enjoy.


Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher at swbell.net




From chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 21 15:28:36 2017
From: chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com (chelsea peahl)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 15:28:36 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Stories of inaccessibility needed
Message-ID: <BN3PR1001MB1201F91AE6BAC095B1E75733E43D0@BN3PR1001MB1201.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

Hi students!
I hope that you're having a great Tuesday! 
I am working on a project for work, and am hoping that you all can be of assistance!
I am in need of your stories of inaccessibility, and the affects that it has had on you! 
Your name will be kept out of everything to keep it out of our final project! 
We are trying to show that it is a problem! 

Thanks in advance! 

Chelsea Peahl

From theweird1 at mediacombb.net  Wed Mar 22 01:23:45 2017
From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 20:23:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Stories of inaccessibility needed
In-Reply-To: qLjFcgZ7celMKqLjIcJh3j
References: qLjFcgZ7celMKqLjIcJh3j
Message-ID: <004d01d2a2aa$f3878290$da9687b0$@mediacombb.net>

I'd be willing to talk with you about this issue.  It is extremely
important.  

Loren 

P.S.  How do I contact you?  



-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of chelsea peahl
via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 10:29 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: chelsea peahl
Subject: [nabs-l] Stories of inaccessibility needed

Hi students!
I hope that you're having a great Tuesday! 
I am working on a project for work, and am hoping that you all can be of
assistance!
I am in need of your stories of inaccessibility, and the affects that it has
had on you! 
Your name will be kept out of everything to keep it out of our final
project! 
We are trying to show that it is a problem! 

Thanks in advance! 

Chelsea Peahl
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From aachase1 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 22 01:38:52 2017
From: aachase1 at gmail.com (Alan A. Chase)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:38:52 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] College Mentoring
Message-ID: <CAABjKX=E5hkUmZd_GMSsHWpytPS_Wonj=bEEcOvHWwF9xt5c-w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I'm Dr. Alan Chase and I wanted to extend to you a great opportunity for
mentors and mentees.  The EYE Retreat is a week-long summer camp in
Raleigh, NC geared toward helping students with visual impairments
successfully transition to college.  If you attend as a group leader or
participant, we cover all your meals for the week, travel within Raleigh
for the program, and sleeping accommodations.  This is a value of about
$300.00!  You do need to provide your own transportation to and from
Raleigh, NC.

Our program is based on research based best practices.  We pair current
college students with visual impairments with other students with visual
impairments who are aspiring to attend college.  We have big plans in the
future too!  We are seeking grant funding to provide year-long mentoring
opportunities.  2018 will be our tenth year of service.

Slots for 2017 are filling up.  Don't miss your chance to join us as a
participant or a mentor.

Check our website at www.eyeretreat.org for more information.  Like our
facebook page at www.facebook.com/eyeretreat.  Follow us on Twitter at
www.twitter.com/eyeretreat.

Thanks!

*Dr. Alan A. Chase*
Exceptional Children Program Facilitator, Durham Public Schools
President & Director, Envisioning Youth Empowerment Retreat

From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 22 02:42:58 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 22:42:58 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Stories of inaccessibility needed
In-Reply-To: <004d01d2a2aa$f3878290$da9687b0$@mediacombb.net>
References: qLjFcgZ7celMKqLjIcJh3j
	<004d01d2a2aa$f3878290$da9687b0$@mediacombb.net>
Message-ID: <001801d2a2b6$0456a320$0d03e960$@gmail.com>

Sure, How can I contact you?
 Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Loren Wakefield
via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 9:24 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Loren Wakefield <theweird1 at mediacombb.net>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Stories of inaccessibility needed

I'd be willing to talk with you about this issue.  It is extremely
important.  

Loren 

P.S.  How do I contact you?  



-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of chelsea peahl
via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 10:29 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: chelsea peahl
Subject: [nabs-l] Stories of inaccessibility needed

Hi students!
I hope that you're having a great Tuesday! 
I am working on a project for work, and am hoping that you all can be of
assistance!
I am in need of your stories of inaccessibility, and the affects that it has
had on you! 
Your name will be kept out of everything to keep it out of our final
project! 
We are trying to show that it is a problem! 

Thanks in advance! 

Chelsea Peahl
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From chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com  Wed Mar 22 02:46:51 2017
From: chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com (chelsea peahl)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 02:46:51 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Stories of inaccessibility needed
In-Reply-To: <001801d2a2b6$0456a320$0d03e960$@gmail.com>
References: qLjFcgZ7celMKqLjIcJh3j
	<004d01d2a2aa$f3878290$da9687b0$@mediacombb.net>,
	<001801d2a2b6$0456a320$0d03e960$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BN3PR1001MB12014FAA26F03A5FD9C4446DE43C0@BN3PR1001MB1201.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

Y'all are great! I apologize for forgetting to add my email to the address! Please contact me at Chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com!
Thank you!

Chelsea Peahl

> On Mar 21, 2017, at 8:44 PM, Justin Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Sure, How can I contact you?
> Justin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Loren Wakefield
> via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 9:24 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Loren Wakefield <theweird1 at mediacombb.net>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Stories of inaccessibility needed
> 
> I'd be willing to talk with you about this issue.  It is extremely
> important.  
> 
> Loren 
> 
> P.S.  How do I contact you?  
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of chelsea peahl
> via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 10:29 AM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: chelsea peahl
> Subject: [nabs-l] Stories of inaccessibility needed
> 
> Hi students!
> I hope that you're having a great Tuesday! 
> I am working on a project for work, and am hoping that you all can be of
> assistance!
> I am in need of your stories of inaccessibility, and the affects that it has
> had on you! 
> Your name will be kept out of everything to keep it out of our final
> project! 
> We are trying to show that it is a problem! 
> 
> Thanks in advance! 
> 
> Chelsea Peahl
> _______________________________________________
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> et
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> 
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From jab2bs at mtmail.mtsu.edu  Wed Mar 22 03:45:05 2017
From: jab2bs at mtmail.mtsu.edu (James Alan Boehm)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 03:45:05 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility issues stories
Message-ID: <DEB21C1A-F8CE-4C1F-9E80-E5D8077C857A@mtmail.mtsu.edu>

Good evening. Please see my contact info below. I have a couple really wonderful experiences regarding accessibility and the campus where I attend school, Vanderbilt University.

James Alan Boehm
Phone: 901-483-1515
Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com
Refer NFB correspondences to:
secretary at nfb-tn.org

"Blindness never limits- Low expectations do! Live the life you want!"

From truewise.8614 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 22 04:11:27 2017
From: truewise.8614 at gmail.com (Vanna Song)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:11:27 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] College Mentoring
In-Reply-To: <CAABjKX=E5hkUmZd_GMSsHWpytPS_Wonj=bEEcOvHWwF9xt5c-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAABjKX=E5hkUmZd_GMSsHWpytPS_Wonj=bEEcOvHWwF9xt5c-w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOrr3bN1Q4Z1D6770SFpFgTfAZcxFLOCo=nsxuthgKty4m0FBQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, I just applied for a staff position.

On 3/21/17, Alan A. Chase via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm Dr. Alan Chase and I wanted to extend to you a great opportunity for
> mentors and mentees.  The EYE Retreat is a week-long summer camp in
> Raleigh, NC geared toward helping students with visual impairments
> successfully transition to college.  If you attend as a group leader or
> participant, we cover all your meals for the week, travel within Raleigh
> for the program, and sleeping accommodations.  This is a value of about
> $300.00!  You do need to provide your own transportation to and from
> Raleigh, NC.
>
> Our program is based on research based best practices.  We pair current
> college students with visual impairments with other students with visual
> impairments who are aspiring to attend college.  We have big plans in the
> future too!  We are seeking grant funding to provide year-long mentoring
> opportunities.  2018 will be our tenth year of service.
>
> Slots for 2017 are filling up.  Don't miss your chance to join us as a
> participant or a mentor.
>
> Check our website at www.eyeretreat.org for more information.  Like our
> facebook page at www.facebook.com/eyeretreat.  Follow us on Twitter at
> www.twitter.com/eyeretreat.
>
> Thanks!
>
> *Dr. Alan A. Chase*
> Exceptional Children Program Facilitator, Durham Public Schools
> President & Director, Envisioning Youth Empowerment Retreat
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NABS-L:
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>


From piano.girl0299 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 22 16:55:52 2017
From: piano.girl0299 at gmail.com (Kelsey Nicolay)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 12:55:52 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Voiceover Help Needed
Message-ID: <CACDRYhSBG6P+KnTszYVp6hcqEwVHB2c+uF4JqjJffXw+v5KYEw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
My employer has started hosting events in which they invite us to
watch TED Talks, a nonprofit organization that publishes videos on a
variety of topics. They announced that they are doing Peer TED Talks.
I found out yesterday that I have been selected as one of eight
finalists to present to a small panel of managers and peers before
presenting to the entire company. My topic is assistive technology for
the visually impaired. I will be discussing JAWS, Nvda, refreshable
braille displays, notetakers, and Ios devices using Voiceover. I plan
to do a quick demo of JAWS and Voiceover, but I am running into a
problem. I cannot do the rotor nor can I type confidently on the
touchscreen. I don't want to not do the demo since I indicated in my
presentation plan that I would do it, but at the same time, I don't
want my inability to demonstrate a device to impact my presentation. I
can do the JAWS demo no problem, but what should I ddo about this
Voiceover issue? I've tried several techniques for the rotor, but I
just can't seem to get it. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Please feel free to write me offlist at piano.girl0299 at gmail.com.
Thank you,
Kelsey Nicolay


From jordaneve22 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 22 17:00:34 2017
From: jordaneve22 at gmail.com (Jordan Scheffer )
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 13:00:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Voiceover Help Needed
In-Reply-To: <CACDRYhSBG6P+KnTszYVp6hcqEwVHB2c+uF4JqjJffXw+v5KYEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACDRYhSBG6P+KnTszYVp6hcqEwVHB2c+uF4JqjJffXw+v5KYEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001d2a32d$d546abc0$7fd40340$@gmail.com>

Hi Kelsie, 

My name is Jordan. This is wonderful that you've been selected to do peer
TED talks, and I hope you do amazingly when you present! 

For me, in order to work therotor , place two fingers on the screen and
slowly trace one upwards or downwards, this will change the rotor's settings
and what functions it operates. 

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kelsey Nicolay
via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 12:56 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Kelsey Nicolay
Subject: [nabs-l] Voiceover Help Needed

Hello,
My employer has started hosting events in which they invite us to watch TED
Talks, a nonprofit organization that publishes videos on a variety of
topics. They announced that they are doing Peer TED Talks.
I found out yesterday that I have been selected as one of eight finalists to
present to a small panel of managers and peers before presenting to the
entire company. My topic is assistive technology for the visually impaired.
I will be discussing JAWS, Nvda, refreshable braille displays, notetakers,
and Ios devices using Voiceover. I plan to do a quick demo of JAWS and
Voiceover, but I am running into a problem. I cannot do the rotor nor can I
type confidently on the touchscreen. I don't want to not do the demo since I
indicated in my presentation plan that I would do it, but at the same time,
I don't want my inability to demonstrate a device to impact my presentation.
I can do the JAWS demo no problem, but what should I ddo about this
Voiceover issue? I've tried several techniques for the rotor, but I just
can't seem to get it. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Please feel free to write me offlist at piano.girl0299 at gmail.com.
Thank you,
Kelsey Nicolay

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From ka.yat.li at gmail.com  Wed Mar 22 18:07:08 2017
From: ka.yat.li at gmail.com (Ka Li)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 14:07:08 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Voiceover Help Needed
In-Reply-To: <CACDRYhSBG6P+KnTszYVp6hcqEwVHB2c+uF4JqjJffXw+v5KYEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACDRYhSBG6P+KnTszYVp6hcqEwVHB2c+uF4JqjJffXw+v5KYEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41ae34a3-cf69-2b14-8f18-876307388592@gmail.com>

Hi Kelsey,

Congratulations on being selected to do Peer TED Talks.

To use the router, put two fingers, for me I use my index and thumb, on 
two points of the screen. It should look like you're about to turn a 
knob. Then pivit both fingers clockwise or count-clockwise. You should 
hear it switch from characters to words etc. One you have selected the 
router option you want, use one finger, I use my index, to flick up or 
down to adjust that particular setting. For example, if you turn it to 
the speech rate, flicking up or down will increase/decrease the speech rate.

Hope this helps.

Ka Li




From jordaneve22 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 22 18:07:22 2017
From: jordaneve22 at gmail.com (Jordan Scheffer )
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 14:07:22 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Voiceover Help Needed
In-Reply-To: <CACDRYhSBG6P+KnTszYVp6hcqEwVHB2c+uF4JqjJffXw+v5KYEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACDRYhSBG6P+KnTszYVp6hcqEwVHB2c+uF4JqjJffXw+v5KYEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000401d2a337$288d66d0$79a83470$@gmail.com>

Hi Kelsie, 

My name is Jordan. This is wonderful that you've been selected to do peer
TED talks, and I hope you do amazingly when you present! 

For me, in order to work therotor , place two fingers on the screen and
slowly trace one upwards or downwards, this will change the rotor's settings
and what functions it operates. 

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kelsey Nicolay
via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 12:56 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Kelsey Nicolay
Subject: [nabs-l] Voiceover Help Needed

Hello,
My employer has started hosting events in which they invite us to watch TED
Talks, a nonprofit organization that publishes videos on a variety of
topics. They announced that they are doing Peer TED Talks.
I found out yesterday that I have been selected as one of eight finalists to
present to a small panel of managers and peers before presenting to the
entire company. My topic is assistive technology for the visually impaired.
I will be discussing JAWS, Nvda, refreshable braille displays, notetakers,
and Ios devices using Voiceover. I plan to do a quick demo of JAWS and
Voiceover, but I am running into a problem. I cannot do the rotor nor can I
type confidently on the touchscreen. I don't want to not do the demo since I
indicated in my presentation plan that I would do it, but at the same time,
I don't want my inability to demonstrate a device to impact my presentation.
I can do the JAWS demo no problem, but what should I ddo about this
Voiceover issue? I've tried several techniques for the rotor, but I just
can't seem to get it. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Please feel free to write me offlist at piano.girl0299 at gmail.com.
Thank you,
Kelsey Nicolay

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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 22 20:24:36 2017
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 16:24:36 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Voiceover Help Needed
Message-ID: <58d2ddc1.0f04810a.b7d3a.34b8@mx.google.com>

You can change the rotor setting by pressing up arrow and left 
arrow together or by pressing up arrow and right arrow together 
if you're using a Mac or an Iphone or Ipad paired with a 
bluetooth keyboard.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Kelsey Nicolay via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 12:55:52 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Voiceover Help Needed

Hello,
My employer has started hosting events in which they invite us to
watch TED Talks, a nonprofit organization that publishes videos 
on a
variety of topics. They announced that they are doing Peer TED 
Talks.
I found out yesterday that I have been selected as one of eight
finalists to present to a small panel of managers and peers 
before
presenting to the entire company. My topic is assistive 
technology for
the visually impaired. I will be discussing JAWS, Nvda, 
refreshable
braille displays, notetakers, and Ios devices using Voiceover. I 
plan
to do a quick demo of JAWS and Voiceover, but I am running into a
problem. I cannot do the rotor nor can I type confidently on the
touchscreen. I don't want to not do the demo since I indicated in 
my
presentation plan that I would do it, but at the same time, I 
don't
want my inability to demonstrate a device to impact my 
presentation. I
can do the JAWS demo no problem, but what should I ddo about this
Voiceover issue? I've tried several techniques for the rotor, but 
I
just can't seem to get it. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Please feel free to write me offlist at piano.girl0299 at gmail.com.
Thank you,
Kelsey Nicolay

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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 22 20:30:58 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 16:30:58 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Voiceover Help Needed
In-Reply-To: <58d2ddc1.0f04810a.b7d3a.34b8@mx.google.com>
References: <58d2ddc1.0f04810a.b7d3a.34b8@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <024a01d2a34b$37664690$a632d3b0$@gmail.com>

Usesire as much as possible, and, do you have a Bluetooth keyboard?
 Justin 

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin
Adam via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:25 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Voiceover Help Needed

You can change the rotor setting by pressing up arrow and left arrow
together or by pressing up arrow and right arrow together if you're using a
Mac or an Iphone or Ipad paired with a bluetooth keyboard.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Kelsey Nicolay via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 12:55:52 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Voiceover Help Needed

Hello,
My employer has started hosting events in which they invite us to watch TED
Talks, a nonprofit organization that publishes videos on a variety of
topics. They announced that they are doing Peer TED Talks.
I found out yesterday that I have been selected as one of eight finalists to
present to a small panel of managers and peers before presenting to the
entire company. My topic is assistive technology for the visually impaired.
I will be discussing JAWS, Nvda, refreshable braille displays, notetakers,
and Ios devices using Voiceover. I plan to do a quick demo of JAWS and
Voiceover, but I am running into a problem. I cannot do the rotor nor can I
type confidently on the touchscreen. I don't want to not do the demo since I
indicated in my presentation plan that I would do it, but at the same time,
I don't want my inability to demonstrate a device to impact my presentation.
I can do the JAWS demo no problem, but what should I ddo about this
Voiceover issue? I've tried several techniques for the rotor, but I just
can't seem to get it. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Please feel free to write me offlist at piano.girl0299 at gmail.com.
Thank you,
Kelsey Nicolay

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From ahbeeorton at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 23 02:00:00 2017
From: ahbeeorton at yahoo.com (Ahbee Orton)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 21:00:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Voiceover Help Needed
In-Reply-To: <024a01d2a34b$37664690$a632d3b0$@gmail.com>
References: <58d2ddc1.0f04810a.b7d3a.34b8@mx.google.com>
	<024a01d2a34b$37664690$a632d3b0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D84A2C0D-69B5-433F-A15F-794F6D1DCA19@yahoo.com>

I use a bluetooth keyboard with my iPads for school a lot! It's very helpful! I use it a lot on typing math work out. I also just like to type in general, so I find it easy to use the bluetooth keyboard. 

“Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭13:4-7‬ ‭NIV‬‬“Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭13:4-7‬ ‭NIV‬‬
‭‭1 John‬ ‭4:19‬ ‭NIV‬

> On Mar 22, 2017, at 3:30 PM, Justin Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Usesire as much as possible, and, do you have a Bluetooth keyboard?
> Justin 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin
> Adam via NABS-L
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:25 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Voiceover Help Needed
> 
> You can change the rotor setting by pressing up arrow and left arrow
> together or by pressing up arrow and right arrow together if you're using a
> Mac or an Iphone or Ipad paired with a bluetooth keyboard.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kelsey Nicolay via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 12:55:52 -0400
> Subject: [nabs-l] Voiceover Help Needed
> 
> Hello,
> My employer has started hosting events in which they invite us to watch TED
> Talks, a nonprofit organization that publishes videos on a variety of
> topics. They announced that they are doing Peer TED Talks.
> I found out yesterday that I have been selected as one of eight finalists to
> present to a small panel of managers and peers before presenting to the
> entire company. My topic is assistive technology for the visually impaired.
> I will be discussing JAWS, Nvda, refreshable braille displays, notetakers,
> and Ios devices using Voiceover. I plan to do a quick demo of JAWS and
> Voiceover, but I am running into a problem. I cannot do the rotor nor can I
> type confidently on the touchscreen. I don't want to not do the demo since I
> indicated in my presentation plan that I would do it, but at the same time,
> I don't want my inability to demonstrate a device to impact my presentation.
> I can do the JAWS demo no problem, but what should I ddo about this
> Voiceover issue? I've tried several techniques for the rotor, but I just
> can't seem to get it. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> Please feel free to write me offlist at piano.girl0299 at gmail.com.
> Thank you,
> Kelsey Nicolay
> 
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From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Mar 23 02:41:24 2017
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 21:41:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Job Announcement - Student Trainee
 Engineering/Architecture Summer Internship GS-0899-03/03
Message-ID: <auto-000078967480@mailfront2.g2host.com>


>
>Subject: [Nfb-science] FW: Job Announcement - Student Trainee
>  Engineering/Architecture Summer Internship GS-0899-03/03
>From: "Nathanael T. Wales via Nfb-science" <nfb-science at nfbnet.org>
>Cc: "Nathanael T. Wales" <ntwales at omsoft.com>
>
>Fellow Listers,
>
>These additional summer jobs could be of interest to students on this list,
>especially those in the New York City area and surrounding area (living or
>going to school with living arrangements for the summer).  My employer, the
>U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, is hiring students for summer internships, now
>specifically in Manhattan, New York City.  The forwarded and attached set of
>positions are for engineering students; applications are due by March 30.
>
>If you have any questions, feel free to reach out to me on or off this list.
>
>Best,
>Nathanael T. Wales, P.E.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Wales, Nathanael T CIV USARMY CENAN (US)
>[mailto:Nathanael.T.Wales at usace.army.mil]
>Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 12:30 PM
>To: Nathanael T. Wales
>Subject: FW: Job Announcement - Student Trainee Engineering/Architecture
>Summer Internship GS-0899-03/03
>
>Forward to the NFBSE list.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Martens, Elinor R CIV USARMY CHRA-NE (US)
>Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 12:26 PM
>To: DLL-CENADO-ALL Employees <DLL-CENADO-ALLEmployees at usace.army.mil>;
>DLL-CENAN-ALL Employees <DLL-CENAN-ALLEmploy at usace.army.mil>
>Subject: Job Announcement - Student Trainee Engineering/Architecture Summer
>Internship GS-0899-03/03
>
>Please see the attached job opportunity announcement, which is found by
>clicking the following link:
>https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/466136200/
>
>All interested candidates wishing to apply will go to www.usajobs.gov and
>follow the application procedures as set forth within the announcements to
>apply. Please read announcements and follow ALL instructions carefully.
>Errors, omissions or not submitting documents requested may affect your
>rating.
>
>Announcement information is provided below:
>
>Job Title:  Student Trainee Engineering/Architecture
>Hiring Organization:  US Army Corps of Engineers New York District, Programs
>and Project Management Division
>Number of Vacancies:  2
>Locations:  New York City, NY
>Job Announcement Number:  NEFS179768081927566P
>
>Open Period: Opened 3/21/2017 - Closes 3/30/2017
>Position Information: Full Time - Summer NTE 09/31/2017
>Security Clearance: Non-Sensitive
>
>Salary Range:  $29,822.00 to $38,774.00 / Per Year
>Series & Grade:  GS-0899-03
>Supervisory Status: No
>
>
>Some USA Staffing tips:
>* Your complete application includes your resume, your responses to the
>online questionnaire, and documents which prove your eligibility to apply
>(i.e., SF 50, DD 214, etc.). If you fail to provide these documents, you
>will be marked as having an incomplete application package and you will not
>be considered any further.
>*ALL current Federal employees MUST submit a copy of your most recent
>NON-AWARD SF50, Notification of Personnel Action to the application.
>*For positions with Positive Education Requirements, Federal employees
>currently serving in similar positions MUST provide transcripts.
>*Please follow instructions on resume format as provided in the "How to
>Apply" section of the announcement.
>
>*Please do not reply to this email.
>
>Thank you!
>Civilian Personnel Advisory Center Team
>
>Elinor Martens
>HR Assistant
>Civilian Personnel Advisory Center
>U.S. Army Corps of Engineers
>26 Federal Plaza, Rm 1849
>New York, New York 10278
>Phone:  917-790-8072
>Fax: 212-264-7153
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From shannoncantan.nfb at gmail.com  Thu Mar 23 21:23:30 2017
From: shannoncantan.nfb at gmail.com (Shannon Cantan)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 11:23:30 -1000
Subject: [nabs-l] 50th Anniversary Committee
Message-ID: <41BB49A6-279F-4CB4-BC90-AAC05E09DDE8@gmail.com>

Aloha Students,

The next meeting for the 50th Anniversary Committee will be held this upcoming Sunday March 26, at 2PM Eastern.

We will be joined by the President of the Community Services Division, Darian Smith, to hear ways NABS could collaborate with this great division.  In addition, we  will continue to talk about all things Convention, so bring your enthusiasm, passion, and creativity, and let's make this a Convention to remember.

The call in number is 605-475-6700 
Code 7869673 




Shannon KS Cantan

From piano.girl0299 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 24 02:06:24 2017
From: piano.girl0299 at gmail.com (Kelsey Nicolay)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 21:06:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] voiceover help
Message-ID: <58d47f22.10cf370a.a740.39fa@mx.google.com>

HelloNo, I do not have a Bluetooth keyboard, but I do have a 
braille display.


From dandrews at visi.com  Fri Mar 24 02:07:28 2017
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 21:07:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Washington State Department of Services for the Blind
 Assistive Technology Specialist (ITS3, Seattle) Recruitment  Announcement
Message-ID: <auto-000079634982@mailfront1.g2host.com>


>
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> > From: "Mello, Michael (DSB)" <michael.mello at dsb.wa.gov>
> > Subject: FW: Washington State Department of Services for the 
> Blind Assistive Technology Specialist (ITS3, Seattle) Recruitment Announcement
> > Date: March 23, 2017 at 9:31:55 AM PDT
> > To: "Carpenter, Marci" <mjc59 at comcast.net>
> >
> >
> > Hi Marci, can you please forward this announcement, I would like 
> to get it out on the NFB lists as soon as possible.
> > The closing date is March 31st!
> > -Mike Mello
> >
> >
> > DSB is recruiting for an Assistive Technology Specialist / ITS3 
> (02610) 
> <https://www.governmentjobs.com/careers/washington/jobs/1691845/assistive-technology-specialist-its3-02610> 
> in our North Region (Seattle office). Please share this 
> announcement, if you know someone who is interested. For questions 
> regarding this position, please contact Lisa Wheeler - or DSB 
> HR.  If you need assistance with the online application, contact 
> Angie Anderson at DES Phone:  (360) 407-8446, or email 
> jobs at des.wa.gov <mailto:jobs at des.wa.gov> .
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> >
> >
> > Kristina Cox, Executive Assistant and Human Resources Consultant
> >
> > Department of Services for the Blind
> >
> > P.O. Box 40933, Olympia, WA 98504-0933
> >
> > Ph:  360-725-3836, Toll Free:  1-800-552-7103
> >
> > www.dsb.wa.gov <http://www.dsb.wa.gov>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>Hi Dave,
>
>Please distribute this widely. We would like to have a blind person 
>in this position.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Marci Carpenter, President
>National Federation of the Blind
>  of Washington
><http://www.nfbw.org>www.nfbw.org
>
>
>>Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>From: "Mello, Michael (DSB)" 
>><<mailto:michael.mello at dsb.wa.gov>michael.mello at dsb.wa.gov>
>>Subject: FW: Washington State Department of Services for the Blind 
>>Assistive Technology Specialist (ITS3, Seattle) Recruitment Announcement
>>Date: March 23, 2017 at 9:31:55 AM PDT
>>To: "Carpenter, Marci" <<mailto:mjc59 at comcast.net>mjc59 at comcast.net>
>>
>>
>>Hi Marci, can you please forward this announcement, I would like to 
>>get it out on the NFB lists as soon as possible.
>>The closing date is March 31st!
>>-Mike Mello
>>
>>
>>DSB is recruiting for an Assistive Technology Specialist / ITS3 
>>(02610) 
>><<https://www.governmentjobs.com/careers/washington/jobs/1691845/assistive-technology-specialist-its3-02610>https://www.governmentjobs.com/careers/washington/jobs/1691845/assistive-technology-specialist-its3-02610> 
>>in our North Region (Seattle office). Please share this 
>>announcement, if you know someone who is interested. For questions 
>>regarding this position, please contact Lisa Wheeler - or DSB 
>>HR.  If you need assistance with the online application, contact 
>>Angie Anderson at DES Phone:  (360) 407-8446, or email 
>><mailto:jobs at des.wa.gov>jobs at des.wa.gov <mailto:jobs at des.wa.gov> .
>>
>>
>>
>>Thank you,
>>
>>
>>
>>Kristina Cox, Executive Assistant and Human Resources Consultant
>>
>>Department of Services for the Blind
>>
>>P.O. Box 40933, Olympia, WA 98504-0933
>>
>>Ph:  360-725-3836, Toll Free:  1-800-552-7103
>>
>><http://www.dsb.wa.gov>www.dsb.wa.gov <http://www.dsb.wa.gov>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 24 05:13:39 2017
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 01:13:39 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Taking classes with accommodations as a non-matriculating
 college student
Message-ID: <CAFja7FbVAOnJUuPB-gBUQ1rbTZOckWKH8x-PvdQAjrx=dSerHg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I'm in an interesting situation now, and am hoping to find others who
might have some more information or knowledge than I am finding.  I'm
graduating from my university this May, but I will be a class shy of
completing my psychology minor.  However, since I will not be
receiving my diploma right away, I can walk in the graduation
ceremony, take a summer class for a cheaper price at another
university, and transfer the credit back to my school and still
receive the minor on my diploma.  I've been  trying to get set up at
the other university near my home for a while now.  My plan is to take
a course online through one of the branch campuses, though I will take
a class in-person if I have to.

The university does not seem to know what to do with me, and I have
been getting conflicting answers to questions depending on who I ask.
I first spoke to Disability Services, and they did not want to discuss
specifics about accommodations until I was accepted to the university,
so I asked admissions what I should do and they said to go ahead and
apply.  However, I talked to another admissions counselor on the phone
earlier this week to fix a snag in my application process, and they
told me I should have not registered as a traditional student, but
should have completed a basic data form for non-matriculating students
instead.  Of course, this basic data form was not accessible, and now
I'm currently trying to work with the admissions office and disability
services to get them either to accept the word version of the PDF file
I created so I could independently fill in my answers on the computer,
or to provide me with an accessible format in which to complete the
form again.  I have been upfront with my plans to just take this one
class for now and transfer the credit back to my university with
disability services and admissions this entire time whenever I have
spoken to someone about my circumstances, so I'm now confused about
the best course of action to take.  I should hear from the college if
I'm accepted via my application some time tomorrow, but it seems the
issue is that disability services isn't used to accommodating
non-matriculating students for a class or two over the summer.  I also
don't want to mix records by having one person in admissions register
me as a non-matriculating student, and someone else in admissions
registering me as a psychology major transfer student as I was told to
put myself down for on the application.  I could see that situation
being very confusing for all involved.

I should note that in addition to this university being cheaper than
my college I'm attending now, my university isn't even offering the
courses that would fit my last remaining requirement this summer.
This process has been going on for several weeks, and I'm starting to
become concerned about getting materials on time because the buck is
being continually passed around.  I'm also not used to the
communication style this university seems to have, as I keep being
reminded that they're a very decentralized campus when I have
expressed my frustration over getting the run around or going in
circles to get the accommodations I need, which in itself is
frustrating as that isn't an excuse for not working with a student to
accommodate for one class, or an entire degree program... sighted
students take one summer class to do exactly what I'm trying to do all
the time.  At the school I chose to attend the campus is smaller, but
record-keeping across departments and offices also seems to be more
consistent and disability services is very responsive to student needs
and requests, so I'm trying to remember that every campus is different
as well.

Has anyone else navigated setting up accommodations for taking summer
courses?  If so, what did you do to make it work?  Input is
apreciated.

-- 
Kaiti Shelton


From sarah at sarahblakelarose.com  Fri Mar 24 12:24:13 2017
From: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com (sarah at sarahblakelarose.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 08:24:13 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Taking classes with accommodations as a
 non-matriculating college student
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FbVAOnJUuPB-gBUQ1rbTZOckWKH8x-PvdQAjrx=dSerHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FbVAOnJUuPB-gBUQ1rbTZOckWKH8x-PvdQAjrx=dSerHg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000901d2a499$8ca30090$a5e901b0$@sarahblakelarose.com>

Hi, Kaiti.

You should admit as a non-matriculating student, not at a transfer student, as you will not be transferring any courses to this university as a psych major. It is still the university's responsibility to accommodate you. You are still taking their courses and paying them money, regardless of whether you continue to do so. The ADA requires programs of study to be accessible. It says nothing about matriculating vs. non-matriculating students.

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 1:14 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Taking classes with accommodations as a non-matriculating college student

Hi all,

I'm in an interesting situation now, and am hoping to find others who might have some more information or knowledge than I am finding.  I'm graduating from my university this May, but I will be a class shy of completing my psychology minor.  However, since I will not be receiving my diploma right away, I can walk in the graduation ceremony, take a summer class for a cheaper price at another university, and transfer the credit back to my school and still receive the minor on my diploma.  I've been  trying to get set up at the other university near my home for a while now.  My plan is to take a course online through one of the branch campuses, though I will take a class in-person if I have to.

The university does not seem to know what to do with me, and I have been getting conflicting answers to questions depending on who I ask.
I first spoke to Disability Services, and they did not want to discuss specifics about accommodations until I was accepted to the university, so I asked admissions what I should do and they said to go ahead and apply.  However, I talked to another admissions counselor on the phone earlier this week to fix a snag in my application process, and they told me I should have not registered as a traditional student, but should have completed a basic data form for non-matriculating students instead.  Of course, this basic data form was not accessible, and now I'm currently trying to work with the admissions office and disability services to get them either to accept the word version of the PDF file I created so I could independently fill in my answers on the computer, or to provide me with an accessible format in which to complete the form again.  I have been upfront with my plans to just take this one class for now and transfer the credit back to my university with disability services and admissions this entire time whenever I have spoken to someone about my circumstances, so I'm now confused about the best course of action to take.  I should hear from the college if I'm accepted via my application some time tomorrow, but it seems the issue is that disability services isn't used to accommodating non-matriculating students for a class or two over the summer.  I also don't want to mix records by having one person in admissions register me as a non-matriculating student, and someone else in admissions registering me as a psychology major transfer student as I was told to put myself down for on the application.  I could see that situation being very confusing for all involved.

I should note that in addition to this university being cheaper than my college I'm attending now, my university isn't even offering the courses that would fit my last remaining requirement this summer.
This process has been going on for several weeks, and I'm starting to become concerned about getting materials on time because the buck is being continually passed around.  I'm also not used to the communication style this university seems to have, as I keep being reminded that they're a very decentralized campus when I have expressed my frustration over getting the run around or going in circles to get the accommodations I need, which in itself is frustrating as that isn't an excuse for not working with a student to accommodate for one class, or an entire degree program... sighted students take one summer class to do exactly what I'm trying to do all the time.  At the school I chose to attend the campus is smaller, but record-keeping across departments and offices also seems to be more consistent and disability services is very responsive to student needs and requests, so I'm trying to remember that every campus is different as well.

Has anyone else navigated setting up accommodations for taking summer courses?  If so, what did you do to make it work?  Input is apreciated.

--
Kaiti Shelton

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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 24 13:57:05 2017
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 09:57:05 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question
Message-ID: <58d525c2.cfafca0a.b2d8f.5c12@mx.google.com>

The Nfb was founded in 1940.


From chris.omeally at gmail.com  Fri Mar 24 14:50:56 2017
From: chris.omeally at gmail.com (Christopher O'meally)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 10:50:56 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] voiceover help
In-Reply-To: <58d47f22.10cf370a.a740.39fa@mx.google.com>
References: <58d47f22.10cf370a.a740.39fa@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CACOe-GW-Pw=Xx2Rxf_ULpK199nXy6X6DsvnRC_Gq5Zbwqibsnw@mail.gmail.com>

good morning.  sorry about the late reply, I don't check my email when
I am at home.  sure I wouldn't mind an hour or two Saturday if that
sounds okay.  if you text, feel free to send me a text with the number
I left in the email, and we can set it up.  That is the fastest way to
get a hold of me is with a text.

On 3/23/17, Kelsey Nicolay via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> HelloNo, I do not have a Bluetooth keyboard, but I do have a
> braille display.
>
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-- 
Very Respectfully,

Christopher O’Meally.

NVB of Virginia 2016 leadership fellow.

Lead instructor and CEO of Access Tech Media INC.

Contract Closeout Specialist, Defense Contract Management Agency.

Chris.omeally at gmail.com

(804)658-6668


From rexschuttler at gmail.com  Fri Mar 24 16:16:14 2017
From: rexschuttler at gmail.com (Rex Schuttler)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 11:16:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question
In-Reply-To: <58d525c2.cfafca0a.b2d8f.5c12@mx.google.com>
References: <58d525c2.cfafca0a.b2d8f.5c12@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <1952A072-EA12-4C13-9357-36CEF00B6193@gmail.com>

Yes it was

Rex Schuttler
Second vice President of the national Federation of the blind of Oklahoma
President of the Central chapter of the national Federation of the blind of Oklahoma
cell phone number
918-955-6761

> On Mar 24, 2017, at 8:57 AM, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> The Nfb was founded in 1940.
> 
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 24 17:54:30 2017
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 13:54:30 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question
In-Reply-To: <1952A072-EA12-4C13-9357-36CEF00B6193@gmail.com>
References: <58d525c2.cfafca0a.b2d8f.5c12@mx.google.com>
	<1952A072-EA12-4C13-9357-36CEF00B6193@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7Fbx2eoHPNVB387T4eTmZbAA0XaHpXaYyRBu9PwKxVE8Rw@mail.gmail.com>

To add to the year we were founded, here is some other information.

Yes-we were founded in 1940.  The NFB's birthplace is Wilkes-Barre
Pennsylvania.  The 7 original affiliates were Pennsylvania, Wisconsin,
Ohio, Illinois, Minnesota, California, and Missouri.  There were just
16 people in attendance.
If you want a more detailed history, the book "Walking Alone, Marching
Together," is available for free on the NFB web site in several
formats.  It details everything through the first two presidencies
held by TenBroek and Jernigan, plus some of Dr. Maurer's era.  It also
includes information about the "Civil War" in the late 50s which
ultimately spawned the ACB.  It's a good read.

On 3/24/17, Rex Schuttler via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Yes it was
>
> Rex Schuttler
> Second vice President of the national Federation of the blind of Oklahoma
> President of the Central chapter of the national Federation of the blind of
> Oklahoma
> cell phone number
> 918-955-6761
>
>> On Mar 24, 2017, at 8:57 AM, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> The Nfb was founded in 1940.
>>
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-- 
Kaiti Shelton


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 24 17:56:53 2017
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 13:56:53 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Taking classes with accommodations as a
 non-matriculating college student
In-Reply-To: <000901d2a499$8ca30090$a5e901b0$@sarahblakelarose.com>
References: <CAFja7FbVAOnJUuPB-gBUQ1rbTZOckWKH8x-PvdQAjrx=dSerHg@mail.gmail.com>
	<000901d2a499$8ca30090$a5e901b0$@sarahblakelarose.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FZx29ROiGKvXWvUP0Gx7HMM-Wzc3aBfUJDJru=EnJmE5w@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks-I was wondering about that, but tried to follow what disability
services was telling me to do.  I will remind them of obligations to
accommodate me as a non-matriculating student, once I am able to get
the form from them to register as such in an accessible format.

On 3/24/17, Sarah via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi, Kaiti.
>
> You should admit as a non-matriculating student, not at a transfer student,
> as you will not be transferring any courses to this university as a psych
> major. It is still the university's responsibility to accommodate you. You
> are still taking their courses and paying them money, regardless of whether
> you continue to do so. The ADA requires programs of study to be accessible.
> It says nothing about matriculating vs. non-matriculating students.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
> via NABS-L
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 1:14 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Taking classes with accommodations as a non-matriculating
> college student
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm in an interesting situation now, and am hoping to find others who might
> have some more information or knowledge than I am finding.  I'm graduating
> from my university this May, but I will be a class shy of completing my
> psychology minor.  However, since I will not be receiving my diploma right
> away, I can walk in the graduation ceremony, take a summer class for a
> cheaper price at another university, and transfer the credit back to my
> school and still receive the minor on my diploma.  I've been  trying to get
> set up at the other university near my home for a while now.  My plan is to
> take a course online through one of the branch campuses, though I will take
> a class in-person if I have to.
>
> The university does not seem to know what to do with me, and I have been
> getting conflicting answers to questions depending on who I ask.
> I first spoke to Disability Services, and they did not want to discuss
> specifics about accommodations until I was accepted to the university, so I
> asked admissions what I should do and they said to go ahead and apply.
> However, I talked to another admissions counselor on the phone earlier this
> week to fix a snag in my application process, and they told me I should have
> not registered as a traditional student, but should have completed a basic
> data form for non-matriculating students instead.  Of course, this basic
> data form was not accessible, and now I'm currently trying to work with the
> admissions office and disability services to get them either to accept the
> word version of the PDF file I created so I could independently fill in my
> answers on the computer, or to provide me with an accessible format in which
> to complete the form again.  I have been upfront with my plans to just take
> this one class for now and transfer the credit back to my university with
> disability services and admissions this entire time whenever I have spoken
> to someone about my circumstances, so I'm now confused about the best course
> of action to take.  I should hear from the college if I'm accepted via my
> application some time tomorrow, but it seems the issue is that disability
> services isn't used to accommodating non-matriculating students for a class
> or two over the summer.  I also don't want to mix records by having one
> person in admissions register me as a non-matriculating student, and someone
> else in admissions registering me as a psychology major transfer student as
> I was told to put myself down for on the application.  I could see that
> situation being very confusing for all involved.
>
> I should note that in addition to this university being cheaper than my
> college I'm attending now, my university isn't even offering the courses
> that would fit my last remaining requirement this summer.
> This process has been going on for several weeks, and I'm starting to become
> concerned about getting materials on time because the buck is being
> continually passed around.  I'm also not used to the communication style
> this university seems to have, as I keep being reminded that they're a very
> decentralized campus when I have expressed my frustration over getting the
> run around or going in circles to get the accommodations I need, which in
> itself is frustrating as that isn't an excuse for not working with a student
> to accommodate for one class, or an entire degree program... sighted
> students take one summer class to do exactly what I'm trying to do all the
> time.  At the school I chose to attend the campus is smaller, but
> record-keeping across departments and offices also seems to be more
> consistent and disability services is very responsive to student needs and
> requests, so I'm trying to remember that every campus is different as well.
>
> Has anyone else navigated setting up accommodations for taking summer
> courses?  If so, what did you do to make it work?  Input is apreciated.
>
> --
> Kaiti Shelton
>
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-- 
Kaiti Shelton


From tristan.torres09 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 24 18:44:43 2017
From: tristan.torres09 at gmail.com (Tristan Torres)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 14:44:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with Political analysis course
Message-ID: <34A64013-A05A-4D2D-A3F6-26DDD20BA2AC@gmail.com>

Hi all. I am currently taking a political science class (introduction to Political Analysis) to be exact. I’m running into a bit of difficulty with the course, as there’s a good deal of lower level math involved. The math itself isn’t the issue: it’s more of how the math is represented. There are a good number of instances in which one is supposed to draw line charts. I have been toying with the idea of using an excel spreadsheet to do this (in numbers, since I use a mac) can a blind person successfully draw line charts in numbers, and if so, how? All help would be greatly appreciated. Tristan

From annajee82 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 24 19:32:42 2017
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 13:32:42 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with Political analysis course
In-Reply-To: <34A64013-A05A-4D2D-A3F6-26DDD20BA2AC@gmail.com>
References: <34A64013-A05A-4D2D-A3F6-26DDD20BA2AC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1FFD49E7-FDAF-4A63-9A7C-7E47406EA46F@gmail.com>

I'm not familiar with Mac.  You may want to also ask this question on the "blindmath" list.
I know you can do it in excel and JAWS, but it can be tricky, depending on exactly what you are trying to do.
What is the purpose of the charts?  Are you expected to read them or just draw them or both? Are you expected to work with them or present them to someone or just get practice making them?  Do you need to make them accurate and precise or is it just about trends?  
What methods have you tried so far and how have they worked out?  These are all things that may help us come up with better ideas for you. 
Hopefully, someone can answer about Numbers in Mac though.


Sincerely,
Anna E Givens

> On Mar 24, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Tristan Torres via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all. I am currently taking a political science class (introduction to Political Analysis) to be exact. I’m running into a bit of difficulty with the course, as there’s a good deal of lower level math involved. The math itself isn’t the issue: it’s more of how the math is represented. There are a good number of instances in which one is supposed to draw line charts. I have been toying with the idea of using an excel spreadsheet to do this (in numbers, since I use a mac) can a blind person successfully draw line charts in numbers, and if so, how? All help would be greatly appreciated. Tristan
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Mar 24 21:39:44 2017
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 17:39:44 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] voiceover help
In-Reply-To: <CACOe-GW-Pw=Xx2Rxf_ULpK199nXy6X6DsvnRC_Gq5Zbwqibsnw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <58d47f22.10cf370a.a740.39fa@mx.google.com>
	<CACOe-GW-Pw=Xx2Rxf_ULpK199nXy6X6DsvnRC_Gq5Zbwqibsnw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FA66AF982BA040F28408F400C2783AB9@OwnerPC>

Chris,

I don't think you meant this for the list since its about a meeting you are 
going to.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Christopher O'meally via NABS-L
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 10:50 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Christopher O'meally
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] voiceover help

good morning.  sorry about the late reply, I don't check my email when
I am at home.  sure I wouldn't mind an hour or two Saturday if that
sounds okay.  if you text, feel free to send me a text with the number
I left in the email, and we can set it up.  That is the fastest way to
get a hold of me is with a text.

On 3/23/17, Kelsey Nicolay via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> HelloNo, I do not have a Bluetooth keyboard, but I do have a
> braille display.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>


-- 
Very Respectfully,

Christopher O’Meally.

NVB of Virginia 2016 leadership fellow.

Lead instructor and CEO of Access Tech Media INC.

Contract Closeout Specialist, Defense Contract Management Agency.

Chris.omeally at gmail.com

(804)658-6668

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From Melody.Roane at dbvi.virginia.gov  Sat Mar 25 02:17:30 2017
From: Melody.Roane at dbvi.virginia.gov (Roane,
	Melody (DBVI))
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 21:17:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Are You Ready To Be an Agent of Change with the Blind and
 Vision-Impaired Youth of Virginia?
Message-ID: <auto-000079707946@mailfront1.g2host.com>


Hello everyone,

This is Melody Roane from the Virginia Rehabilitation Center for the 
Blind and Vision Impaired in Richmond, VA.  We are hiring three 
individuals who are successful college students or young 
professionals to serve as mentors for our summer youth program, 
Learning Independence, Feeling Empowered! (LIFE.)  If you are 
selected to be a mentor, you will have the opportunity to gain 
valuable work experience to prepare you for your career choice, and 
you will get to take part in confidence-building activities such as 
whitewater rafting, high rope adventure course, zip lining, 
improvisation training, etc.  You will also have the opportunity to 
work alongside some of the most talented instructors in the Field and 
learn from them.  You will work with up to twenty-two blind high 
school students from around the state of Virginia who are eager to be 
encouraged and inspired by you.

Please see the attached information for instructions to apply for a 
mentor position.  If you have any questions, please do not hesitate 
to call me at 804-371-3323.

We look forward to talking with you soon!

Have a great day!

Melody Roane, director
Virginia Rehabilitation Center for the Blind and Vision Impaired

From: Chittum, Greg (DBVI)
Subject: Mentor Recruitment Letter - 2017 Learning Independence, 
Feeling Empowered (LIFE) Program

Good afternoon!

VRCBVI is seeking 3 college students or young professionals who are 
blind to be mentors for our 2017 Learning Independence, Feeling 
Empowered (LIFE) Program.
Please share the attached recruitment letter with candidates who may 
be interested in applying for these seasonal (summer) positions.
Applications are due April 14, 2017.

Thank you!

Greg Chittum, Orientation and Mobility
Virginia Rehabilitation Center for the Blind & Vision Impaired
401 Azalea Avenue
Richmond, Virginia 23227
Phone: 804-371-3204
Email: <mailto:greg.chittum at dbvi.virginia.gov>greg.chittum at dbvi.virginia.gov
Twitter: <https://twitter.com/VRCBVI_Cares>@VRCBVI_Strong
Facebook: <https://www.facebook.com/VDBVI>VDBVI
Worldwide Web: <http://www.vrcbvi.org/>www.vrcbvi.org



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From tattenberg at gmail.com  Sat Mar 25 03:01:22 2017
From: tattenberg at gmail.com (Trevor Attenberg)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 20:01:22 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Teaching ESL Abroad
Message-ID: <013c01d2a514$160793d0$4216bb70$@gmail.com>

Hey NABS list. 

I'm wondering if any here have had experience with teaching ESL-I'll try to
get this onto the teachers' list as well. What would be extra sensational is
if anyone has taught in Southeast Asia. But either way, a chance to discuss
and for me to gather some tips would be swell.

As I'm getting NABS mail in digest form, it would be easiest if you
responded to my email address: tattenberg at gmail.com .

Ciao just now,

Trevor 


From annajee82 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 25 04:04:33 2017
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 22:04:33 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Teaching ESL Abroad
In-Reply-To: <013c01d2a514$160793d0$4216bb70$@gmail.com>
References: <013c01d2a514$160793d0$4216bb70$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F452ED23-B71D-40F3-926D-90C06034EAA6@gmail.com>

Unsubscribe from digest mode. Go to nfbnet.org.
I have been to Asia and my parents taught English there. They were in their 50's and not students but still they have had the experience.  What are your questions about it, maybe I can ask them.

Anna E Givens

> On Mar 24, 2017, at 9:01 PM, Trevor Attenberg via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey NABS list. 
> 
> I'm wondering if any here have had experience with teaching ESL-I'll try to
> get this onto the teachers' list as well. What would be extra sensational is
> if anyone has taught in Southeast Asia. But either way, a chance to discuss
> and for me to gather some tips would be swell.
> 
> As I'm getting NABS mail in digest form, it would be easiest if you
> responded to my email address: tattenberg at gmail.com .
> 
> Ciao just now,
> 
> Trevor 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From mausbun at unr.edu  Sat Mar 25 09:42:15 2017
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 09:42:15 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Scholarship reminder
In-Reply-To: <F452ED23-B71D-40F3-926D-90C06034EAA6@gmail.com>
References: <013c01d2a514$160793d0$4216bb70$@gmail.com>,
	<F452ED23-B71D-40F3-926D-90C06034EAA6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F8D994D7-D926-44EE-9A2F-256207F7B6B4@unr.edu>

Hello fellow students,
I just wanted to drop you a little reminder of the approaching deadline for the National Federation of the Blind scholarship. You have six days left to apply! Remember, the biggest obsticle between obtaining a scholarship and not, is a successful completion of an application. Six days is not much time left, good luck!
respectfully,
Michael Ausbun
Secretary, National Association of Blind Students
Secretary/treasuror, Louisiana Association of Blind Students

From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 26 05:36:39 2017
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 01:36:39 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Bookshare please help
References: <DM2PR0501MB87516A044FFFCFD65A3E429CF3F0@DM2PR0501MB875.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <FC77A5E6-DD16-434D-A1F8-DCD248F0B23F@gmail.com>



Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Adams, Susan E" <Susan_E_Adams at mcpsmd.org>
> Date: March 23, 2017 at 08:25:57 EDT
> To: "nesma aly (nesmaaly123 at gmail.com)" <nesmaaly123 at gmail.com>, "374507 at mcpsmd.net" <374507 at mcpsmd.net>
> Subject: FW: Bookshare
> 
>  
> Bookshare is at risk of losing its grant or having it cut in half. Please remember to send your request to Congress to keep it funded: http://cqrcengage.com/bookshare/home
>  
>  
> Susie Adams
> Teacher of the Visually Impaired
> Vision Technology Specialist
> Vision Office phone: 240-740-1804
>  
>  
>  

From truewise.8614 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 26 05:42:07 2017
From: truewise.8614 at gmail.com (Vanna Song)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 22:42:07 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Bookshare please help
In-Reply-To: <FC77A5E6-DD16-434D-A1F8-DCD248F0B23F@gmail.com>
References: <DM2PR0501MB87516A044FFFCFD65A3E429CF3F0@DM2PR0501MB875.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
	<FC77A5E6-DD16-434D-A1F8-DCD248F0B23F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOrr3bNM65YJBK5gtNJBdGXJmwJRPRRUOfwTxt9G1sf3Ufg6Yw@mail.gmail.com>

I have already sent a letter to my representative.

On 3/25/17, nesma aly via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: "Adams, Susan E" <Susan_E_Adams at mcpsmd.org>
>> Date: March 23, 2017 at 08:25:57 EDT
>> To: "nesma aly (nesmaaly123 at gmail.com)" <nesmaaly123 at gmail.com>,
>> "374507 at mcpsmd.net" <374507 at mcpsmd.net>
>> Subject: FW: Bookshare
>>
>>
>> Bookshare is at risk of losing its grant or having it cut in half. Please
>> remember to send your request to Congress to keep it funded:
>> http://cqrcengage.com/bookshare/home
>>
>>
>> Susie Adams
>> Teacher of the Visually Impaired
>> Vision Technology Specialist
>> Vision Office phone: 240-740-1804
>>
>>
>>
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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Sun Mar 26 20:59:26 2017
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster, NABS President)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 16:59:26 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] REMINDER: NABS Fundraising Committee conference call
 tomorrow, Monday at 9pm eastern
Message-ID: <015501d2a673$dad92740$908b75c0$@gmail.com>

Good afternoon students,

 

                I would like to invite you to join us tomorrow, Monday,
March 27 at 9pm eastern for an engaging call regarding fundraising.

 

It is nearly three months away from our NABS 50th anniversary and the 77th
annual National Convention of the national Federation of the Blind. We have
much in store this year, but need more ideas brought to the table.

 

Whether you help with fundraising beforehand, generate insightful ideas on
our calls, or are ready to volunteer at our events this July, we need your
voices on tomorrow night's call.

 

Call: 605-475-6700;

  Access code: 7869673.

 

Looking forward to hearing many of you tomorrow night at 9pm eastern.

 

Yours,

Kathryn Webster

Chair | Fundraising Committee

President | National Association of Blind Students


From syedrizvinfb at gmail.com  Sun Mar 26 21:03:02 2017
From: syedrizvinfb at gmail.com (Syed Rizvi)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 16:03:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Beach Bods
Message-ID: <DD024F36-C45E-4E3F-8620-64FC75A772F3@gmail.com>

Nabs don't forget!
Tonight we will uncover the secret to getting that bod you have always wanted, and just in time with beach season right around the corner.
Don't miss body builder Dylan Hedler and triathlon champ Evelyn Valdez give away their personal tips on how to shed those pounds and build that muscle. 
We will start at 7 PM central. The call in number is 605-475-6700 and the code is 786-9673.
Warm up, stretch, and carb load, because tonight should be wild.
Cordially,
   Syed Rizvi 


Sent from my iPhone

From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 26 21:07:29 2017
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 17:07:29 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Beach Bods
In-Reply-To: <DD024F36-C45E-4E3F-8620-64FC75A772F3@gmail.com>
References: <DD024F36-C45E-4E3F-8620-64FC75A772F3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <94E18628C7564EAE8D963C1D27D39DF1@OwnerPC>

hi,
is this call going to be recorded?


-----Original Message----- 
From: Syed Rizvi via NABS-L
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 5:03 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Syed Rizvi
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Beach Bods

Nabs don't forget!
Tonight we will uncover the secret to getting that bod you have always 
wanted, and just in time with beach season right around the corner.
Don't miss body builder Dylan Hedler and triathlon champ Evelyn Valdez give 
away their personal tips on how to shed those pounds and build that muscle.
We will start at 7 PM central. The call in number is 605-475-6700 and the 
code is 786-9673.
Warm up, stretch, and carb load, because tonight should be wild.
Cordially,
   Syed Rizvi


Sent from my iPhone
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From filerime at gmail.com  Sun Mar 26 22:44:17 2017
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 18:44:17 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] =?utf-8?q?OABS_Podcast_=E2=80=93_Episode_2/_March?=
Message-ID: <CAMtP_9cWdOPJ5qijDZYHG9+y-srKi4nofzs9N1kT7cuQh97G-g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
OABS is happy to announce our second podcast.
OABS Podcast – Episode 2
Formatting Word Documents using NVDA
By William Yznaga
       Welcome to the second episode of the monthly podcast produced
by the Ohio Association of Blind Students, where you can learn what we
can share about surviving and even thriving as a blind student. In
this podcast, we hear from the treasurer of OABS, William Yznaga.
William is a freshman at Cleveland State University, dual majoring in
both computer science and French language. Your ideas and words are
important; however, in many cases you have to format them accordingly
for your job or assignments. At this point, William helps us to learn
details. He demonstrates how to configure NVDA to read formatting
information on MS Word documents, and how to format your work for an
enhanced visual appealing.
So please, take a moment to enjoy hearing from William about how to
make your work more professional by using a free screen reader NVDA.
https://soundcloud.com/engelsizerisimdernegi/march-2017-podcast

For the first podcast and other announcements please visit our facebook page.
https://www.facebook.com/NFB-Ohio-Association-of-Blind-Students-146614348703543/?hc_ref=SEARCH&fref=nf


Best,
OABS president Elif Emir-Oksuz


From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 27 00:47:40 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 20:47:40 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Beach Bods
In-Reply-To: <DD024F36-C45E-4E3F-8620-64FC75A772F3@gmail.com>
References: <DD024F36-C45E-4E3F-8620-64FC75A772F3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <02c001d2a693$bd46e8f0$37d4bad0$@gmail.com>

What's Dillin's contact info?
You guys had a great call.
 Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Syed Rizvi via
NABS-L
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 5:03 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Syed Rizvi <syedrizvinfb at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Beach Bods

Nabs don't forget!
Tonight we will uncover the secret to getting that bod you have always
wanted, and just in time with beach season right around the corner.
Don't miss body builder Dylan Hedler and triathlon champ Evelyn Valdez give
away their personal tips on how to shed those pounds and build that muscle. 
We will start at 7 PM central. The call in number is 605-475-6700 and the
code is 786-9673.
Warm up, stretch, and carb load, because tonight should be wild.
Cordially,
   Syed Rizvi 


Sent from my iPhone
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From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Mon Mar 27 02:38:06 2017
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 22:38:06 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] National convention
Message-ID: <0C249106-9D16-4B16-B237-7ED592D50C24@gmail.com>



Hello everyone, 
I am looking for three girls to room with me at national convention. I have not booked a room yet. 
I am going on july 9 to July 16. 
My number is 678-641-9906
Shikha. 

From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 28 00:47:02 2017
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 20:47:02 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A Double Tap to the Touch Screen Devil's Head
Message-ID: <005901d2a75c$d0f3bcb0$72db3610$@gmail.com>

In the battle between touch screens and tactile buttons, the touch screen is
quickly becoming the reigning champion. It's not that I can't see the
advantages of touch screens. Less moving parts means less maintenance and
all that, but dammit, it used to be I only had to worry about touch screens
where warming food was concerned. Slap a tactile dot here, a Braille label
there, and I could conquer the basic operations of a microwave.

Once while on travel for work I met the enemy at a fancy hotel. I strolled
from the hotel registration desk to the bank of elevators as if I was a
frequent guest of the swanky resort. I even hit the bank of elevators on my
first try like the super blind traveler that I was, but then the elevator
doors whispered open. I walked in and reached for the familiar panel of
buttons with accompanying Braille numbers. Only, the travel gods felt I had
enjoyed enough arrogance for one day, because instead of neat rows of
buttons, my fingers skated across a smooth panel.

Read and comment on the rest of the article here:

http://joeorozco.com/blog_a_double_tap_to_the_touch_screen_devils_head

Best,

Joe

--
Musings of a Work in Progress:
www.JoeOrozco.com/

Twitter: @ScribblingJoe




From jordaneve22 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 28 00:52:42 2017
From: jordaneve22 at gmail.com (Jordan Scheffer )
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 20:52:42 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A Double Tap to the Touch Screen Devil's Head
In-Reply-To: <005901d2a75c$d0f3bcb0$72db3610$@gmail.com>
References: <005901d2a75c$d0f3bcb0$72db3610$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000f01d2a75d$9c1d2ac0$d4578040$@gmail.com>

This was an amazing read! I've honestly thought about this a lot in life,
knowing that touch screens are becoming ever popular as time goes on. 

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe via NABS-L
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 8:47 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
Cc: Joe
Subject: [nabs-l] A Double Tap to the Touch Screen Devil's Head

In the battle between touch screens and tactile buttons, the touch screen is
quickly becoming the reigning champion. It's not that I can't see the
advantages of touch screens. Less moving parts means less maintenance and
all that, but dammit, it used to be I only had to worry about touch screens
where warming food was concerned. Slap a tactile dot here, a Braille label
there, and I could conquer the basic operations of a microwave.

Once while on travel for work I met the enemy at a fancy hotel. I strolled
from the hotel registration desk to the bank of elevators as if I was a
frequent guest of the swanky resort. I even hit the bank of elevators on my
first try like the super blind traveler that I was, but then the elevator
doors whispered open. I walked in and reached for the familiar panel of
buttons with accompanying Braille numbers. Only, the travel gods felt I had
enjoyed enough arrogance for one day, because instead of neat rows of
buttons, my fingers skated across a smooth panel.

Read and comment on the rest of the article here:

http://joeorozco.com/blog_a_double_tap_to_the_touch_screen_devils_head

Best,

Joe

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www.JoeOrozco.com/

Twitter: @ScribblingJoe



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From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Mar 28 02:05:18 2017
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 21:05:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: I have a new book out
Message-ID: <auto-000079265583@mailfront2.g2host.com>


>
>From: "Peggy Chong" <peggychong at earthlink.net>
>Subject: I have a new book out
>Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 15:15:21 -0600
>



>Hello Blind History Lady Fans
>
>I have just published the latest in the Series of books by The Blind 
>History Lady entitled, The Blind History Lady Presents: Pauline 
>Gomes, The Little Teacher With The Big Heart.
>
>Pauline lived here in New Mexico and came from a family with roots 
>here in the state, going back centuries.  It was a pleasure 
>researching her life and all that she did.  Not just for the blind 
>of the state, or for the little children in her Kindergarten 
>program, but for her local community as well.  I hope you all will 
>feel the same when you purchase this book and read about her life.
>
>In her early life as an adult, she found discrimination almost 
>everywhere.  IT was not that her friends and associates meant to be 
>mean by quietly dismissing her desire to teach, I am sure if they 
>were alive today and were asked why they did not support her to 
>become a teacher, I am sure they would tell us their lack of support 
>was for her own good, not wanting her to meet up with huge 
>disappointments later on.   They were being kind.  But the road to 
>hell is too often paved with good intentions.
>
>Pauline did not get angry or feel sorry for herself.  She turned her 
>roadblocks into plans of action.
>
>The book can be found at the link below on the Smashwords site.
>
>https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/714384
>
>Please check it out.
>
>Peggy Chong,
>The Blind History Lady
>
>

From pompey2010 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 28 14:22:43 2017
From: pompey2010 at yahoo.com (Bobbi Pompey)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 10:22:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Jobs] {Disarmed} FW: New/Current Job Opportunities
 at GSA Open to the Public (All U.S. Citizens)
References: <05c101d2a77a$bb68c520$323a4f60$@aol.com>
Message-ID: <FD89FB74-3251-4B31-B6F0-1277FF008DE5@yahoo.com>



Bobbi A. L. Pompey
(336) 988-6375
bobbipompey at gmail.com

"Not everything faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced" James Baldwin 

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Michelle Clark via Jobs <jobs at nfbnet.org>
> Date: March 28, 2017 at 12:21:11 AM EDT
> To: <jobs at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Michelle Clark <mcikeyc at aol.com>
> Subject: [Jobs] {Disarmed} FW: New/Current Job Opportunities at GSA Open to the Public (All U.S. Citizens)
> Reply-To: Jobs for the Blind <jobs at nfbnet.org>
> 
> fyi          
>  
> From: GSA Jobs Alert [mailto:gsa at notify.gsa.gov] 
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 5:02 PM
> To: mcikeyc at aol.com
> Subject: New/Current Job Opportunities at GSA Open to the Public (All U.S. Citizens)
>  
> You are subscribed to Vacancies Open to the Public for GSA, General Services Administration. This information has recently been updated, and is now available.
> 
> Student Trainee (Business and Industry)
>  
> Job Announcement Number:
> 1709406VBOTR1
> Location Name:
> Phoenix, Arizona; Tucson, Arizona; Laguna Niguel, California; Los Angeles, California; Oakland, California; Pasadena, California; Sacramento, California; San Diego, California; San Francisco, California; San Jose, California; Honolulu, Hawaii; Las Vegas, Nevada; Reno, Nevada
> Department: 
> General Services Administration
> Agency: 
> Public Buildings Service
> Occupation Code: 
> 1199
> Pay Plan: 
> GS
> Appointment Duration: 
> Excepted Appointment NTE 09/30/2017. May be converted to career/career conditional appointments.
> Opening Date: 
> Monday, March 27, 2017
> Closing Date: 
> Monday, April 3, 2017
> Job Status: 
> Full-time Part-time
> Salary: 
> $28,886.00 to $44,579.00 / Per Year
> Pay Grade(s): 
> 04 to 04
> Who May Apply: 
> Current students enrolled at least half-time in an accredited high school, college (including 4-year colleges/universities, community colleges, and junior colleges); professional, technical, vocational, and trade school; advanced degree programs; or other qualifying educational institution pursuing a qualifying degree or certificate.
> Job Summary: 
> GSA has been repeatedly named by the Partnership for Public Service as one of the 'Best Places to Work in the Federal Government'. As a summer student trainee, you will perform assignments designed to develop competencies in several occupational areas Positions are located in the Public Buildings Service. Multiple vacancies may be filled from this announcement as needed. This position is being announced under the Pathways Student Internship Program. This Program is designed to provide students enrolled in a wide variety of educational institutions, from high school to graduate level, with opportunities to work in agencies and explore Federal careers while still in school and while getting paid for the work performed. Students may be promoted up to the GS-11 level while in the Intern program, and students who successfully complete the program may be eligible for conversion to a permanent job in the civil service, up to grade GS-12 depending on the requirements of the position. Additional information about the Internship Program can be found at http://www.opm.gov/HiringReform/Pathways/program/interns/
> Student Trainee (Program Support)
>  
> Job Announcement Number:
> 1709407VBOTR1
> Location Name:
> Phoenix, Arizona; Tucson, Arizona; Laguna Niguel, California; Los Angeles, California; Oakland, California; Pasadena, California; Sacramento, California; San Diego, California; San Francisco, California; San Jose, California; Honolulu, Hawaii; Las Vegas, Nevada; Reno, Nevada
> Department: 
> General Services Administration
> Occupation Code: 
> 0399
> Pay Plan: 
> GS
> Appointment Duration: 
> Not-To-Exceed 09/30/2017. May be converted to career/career conditional appointments.
> Opening Date: 
> Monday, March 27, 2017
> Closing Date: 
> Monday, April 3, 2017
> Job Status: 
> Full-time
> Salary: 
> $29,356.00 to $45,823.00 / Per Year
> Pay Grade(s): 
> 04 to 04
> Who May Apply: 
> Current students enrolled at least half-time in an accredited high school, college (including 4-year colleges/universities, community colleges, and junior colleges); professional, technical, vocational, and trade school; advanced degree programs; or other qualifying educational institution pursuing a qualifying degree or certificate.
> Job Summary: 
> As a summer intern at GSA, you will actively participate as a team member and assist in administrative tasks in support of day to day operations. GSA has been repeatedly named as one of the ' Best Places to Work ' in the Federal Government'. LEARN MORE about why you should choose GSA. This position is being announced under the Pathways Student Internship Program. This Program is designed to provide students enrolled in a wide variety of educational institutions with opportunities to work in agencies and explore Federal careers while still in school and while getting paid for the work performed. Additional information about the Internship Program can be found here . At this time we are filling multiple vacancies in many different locations. Interested candidates may select up to 3 locations.
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From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Tue Mar 28 15:58:54 2017
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 11:58:54 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Jobs] {Disarmed} FW: New/Current Job
 Opportunities at GSA Open to the Public (All U.S. Citizens)
In-Reply-To: <FD89FB74-3251-4B31-B6F0-1277FF008DE5@yahoo.com>
References: <05c101d2a77a$bb68c520$323a4f60$@aol.com>
	<FD89FB74-3251-4B31-B6F0-1277FF008DE5@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F794A18A-2A3F-4484-823E-621B3C80D8E9@gmail.com>

Who do we sent our resume to. The link is not working.
Thanks,


Shikha. 

> On Mar 28, 2017, at 10:22 AM, Bobbi Pompey via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Bobbi A. L. Pompey
> (336) 988-6375
> bobbipompey at gmail.com
> 
> "Not everything faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced" James Baldwin 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Michelle Clark via Jobs <jobs at nfbnet.org>
>> Date: March 28, 2017 at 12:21:11 AM EDT
>> To: <jobs at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Michelle Clark <mcikeyc at aol.com>
>> Subject: [Jobs] {Disarmed} FW: New/Current Job Opportunities at GSA Open to the Public (All U.S. Citizens)
>> Reply-To: Jobs for the Blind <jobs at nfbnet.org>
>> 
>> fyi          
>> 
>> From: GSA Jobs Alert [mailto:gsa at notify.gsa.gov] 
>> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 5:02 PM
>> To: mcikeyc at aol.com
>> Subject: New/Current Job Opportunities at GSA Open to the Public (All U.S. Citizens)
>> 
>> You are subscribed to Vacancies Open to the Public for GSA, General Services Administration. This information has recently been updated, and is now available.
>> 
>> Student Trainee (Business and Industry)
>> 
>> Job Announcement Number:
>> 1709406VBOTR1
>> Location Name:
>> Phoenix, Arizona; Tucson, Arizona; Laguna Niguel, California; Los Angeles, California; Oakland, California; Pasadena, California; Sacramento, California; San Diego, California; San Francisco, California; San Jose, California; Honolulu, Hawaii; Las Vegas, Nevada; Reno, Nevada
>> Department: 
>> General Services Administration
>> Agency: 
>> Public Buildings Service
>> Occupation Code: 
>> 1199
>> Pay Plan: 
>> GS
>> Appointment Duration: 
>> Excepted Appointment NTE 09/30/2017. May be converted to career/career conditional appointments.
>> Opening Date: 
>> Monday, March 27, 2017
>> Closing Date: 
>> Monday, April 3, 2017
>> Job Status: 
>> Full-time Part-time
>> Salary: 
>> $28,886.00 to $44,579.00 / Per Year
>> Pay Grade(s): 
>> 04 to 04
>> Who May Apply: 
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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Tue Mar 28 23:16:06 2017
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster, NABS President)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 19:16:06 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Want money? Apply by this Friday!
Message-ID: <047901d2a819$476b5170$d641f450$@gmail.com>

Students,

 

                The National Federation of the Blind's National Scholarship
Program is accepting applications until This Friday, march 31! It is a quick
application, and definitely worth applying to, so don't wait any longer.

 

I very much encourage each of you to put your name out there and apply! I
received a scholarship 3 years ago; and that is exactly how I learned about
this incredible organization. Now, I am president of NABS and so happy to
call each of you a part of my Federation family.

 

Visit nfb.org/scholarships to apply.

 

Good luck, fellow students,

Kathryn Webster

President | National Association of Blind Students


From mikgephart at icloud.com  Wed Mar 29 22:58:55 2017
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 18:58:55 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Math question
Message-ID: <CC6E73A4-BBCB-4BEB-B78E-D4807AA6D2F3@icloud.com>

Hi all,
     I will be discussing this with my TVI tomorrow, but need to get your thoughts on this as well. Sorry if I overwhelm anyone, but I am hoping my explanations will be worth it. I am studying rational expressions (AKA fractions) in Math class. I am not good at Math, so it can take me a while to understand concepts. Do you all know how when multiplying fractions with variables, you cancel out like terms in the fraction? I was sitting with my privately hired math tutor today, and she was mentioning how sighted students put a line through what they are canceling out, so that they can see what the numbers are, but know that they canceled them out. I tried scratching them out with my finger, but that did not work well. Any other thoughts? Thank you.
Sincerely,
Mikayla

P.S.
I do my math on the Perkins Braillewriter.

From misokwak12 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 29 23:13:46 2017
From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 16:13:46 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Math question
In-Reply-To: <CC6E73A4-BBCB-4BEB-B78E-D4807AA6D2F3@icloud.com>
References: <CC6E73A4-BBCB-4BEB-B78E-D4807AA6D2F3@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CAMe9x_FyEgi8DpuOm8L8=m+3pfV1WD0q+Gf3XBthdakKjsY-VQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mikayla,
I am a Braille user myself, and I think I used to write out the new
expression after I cancel out so I can easily remember and access what
I am doing.
For example, let's say you are calculating the following:
2/x * x/5

In this case you would cancel out the two x.
For the next step, I would braille out
2/1 * 1/5
Which yields an answer of 2/5

I know this is a simple example but I hope this gives an idea of what
I am talking about.
Best,
Miso

On 3/29/17, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>      I will be discussing this with my TVI tomorrow, but need to get your
> thoughts on this as well. Sorry if I overwhelm anyone, but I am hoping my
> explanations will be worth it. I am studying rational expressions (AKA
> fractions) in Math class. I am not good at Math, so it can take me a while
> to understand concepts. Do you all know how when multiplying fractions with
> variables, you cancel out like terms in the fraction? I was sitting with my
> privately hired math tutor today, and she was mentioning how sighted
> students put a line through what they are canceling out, so that they can
> see what the numbers are, but know that they canceled them out. I tried
> scratching them out with my finger, but that did not work well. Any other
> thoughts? Thank you.
> Sincerely,
> Mikayla
>
> P.S.
> I do my math on the Perkins Braillewriter.
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-- 
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Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
(909) 660-1897


From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com  Wed Mar 29 23:16:05 2017
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie P.)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 17:16:05 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Math question
In-Reply-To: <CC6E73A4-BBCB-4BEB-B78E-D4807AA6D2F3@icloud.com>
References: <CC6E73A4-BBCB-4BEB-B78E-D4807AA6D2F3@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <B36A17D5-E176-430B-B57F-6D80266733EC@gmail.com>

Hi,

When I am teaching other blind students how to do this, I do it like this: The reason we can cancel out like terms in the numerator and the denominator is because any fraction with the same term in both the numerator and denominator (that is, anything divided by itself) is equal to 1. So when you see like terms in your fraction, try rewriting the fraction so that the like terms are off to one side by themselves. That way you can see where they are and that they are accounted for, but you can also see what the fraction looks like without them. Remember, they never really "go away". They're just factors of 1. We don't have to write our factors of 1 because anything times 1 is just itself. 

You can then rewrite the fraction on the next line with all the factors of 1 gone. You just write what it looks like without the like terms you sorted out. Simplified!

I'd be happy to help if you have any more questions. I've tutored both blind and sighted students in math from middle school to college calculus for several years now. 

Best,
Jamie

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 29, 2017, at 16:58, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
>     I will be discussing this with my TVI tomorrow, but need to get your thoughts on this as well. Sorry if I overwhelm anyone, but I am hoping my explanations will be worth it. I am studying rational expressions (AKA fractions) in Math class. I am not good at Math, so it can take me a while to understand concepts. Do you all know how when multiplying fractions with variables, you cancel out like terms in the fraction? I was sitting with my privately hired math tutor today, and she was mentioning how sighted students put a line through what they are canceling out, so that they can see what the numbers are, but know that they canceled them out. I tried scratching them out with my finger, but that did not work well. Any other thoughts? Thank you.
> Sincerely,
> Mikayla
> 
> P.S.
> I do my math on the Perkins Braillewriter.
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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Thu Mar 30 00:31:28 2017
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster, NABS President)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 20:31:28 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] ANNOUNCEMENT: The Accessible Instructional Materials in
 Higher Education Act is introduced in the House!
Message-ID: <05f201d2a8ec$f8da4cd0$ea8ee670$@gmail.com>


Please read this in its entirety:


Our work has just begun!


 


The National Federation of the Blind Applauds Introduction of AIM HIGH Act


Law Will Promote Equal Access to Higher Education for People with
Disabilities

Baltimore, Maryland (March 29, 2017): Today, the National Federation of the
Blind commends Congressman Phil Roe (R-TN) and Congressman Joe Courtney
(D-CT) for introducing the Accessible Instructional Materials in Higher
Education Act of 2017, also known as the AIM HIGH Act (H.R. 1772). This act
will promote instructional technology and content that are accessible to the
blind and other students with print disabilities.

Mark A. Riccobono, President of the National Federation of the Blind, said:
"The National Federation of the Blind has worked for years toward the
introduction of this much-needed legislation, which will give postsecondary
institutions guidance to help them meet their legal obligations to students
with disabilities, and also bring more accessible instructional materials to
the higher education market. Blind students are adversely impacted daily by
educational technologies that artificially limit students because they were
designed without accessibility in mind. As a past member of the Commission
on Accessible Instructional Materials, whose work identified this crucial
need, and a father of three, including two daughters who are blind, I am
pleased to see this goal come to fruition. We applaud Congressman Roe and
Congressman Courtney for their introduction of this legislation and urge
their colleagues to join them in supporting its swift passage."

Congressman Roe said: "No student pursuing their education should be put at
a disadvantage because they have a disability, and this bill simply
encourages higher education institutions to provide equal access to all
instructional materials. With more students' coursework requiring digital
resources, it makes sense to encourage colleges and universities to make
accessible material available to support all their students, including those
who have a disability. I thank Rep. Courtney for partnering with me on this
important issue and I look forward to moving this bill through the
legislative process. I also thank all the stakeholders who have worked so
hard to develop a common sense solution that can be supported on a
bipartisan basis."

"The goal of our bill is to ensure that no student is put at a disadvantage
while pursuing a higher education degree because they have a disability,"
said Congressman Courtney. "With colleges and universities across the
country converting to digital resources, we need to ensure that students
with disabilities have equal access to the tools and resources at the
disposal of other students. I want to thank Rep. Roe for once again leading
this bipartisan effort with me, and I look forward to working with him to
get this measure passed this Congress."

The AIM High Act will authorize a purpose-based commission comprised of
persons with disabilities, developers, and manufacturers, as well as
representatives from institutions of higher education. This commission will
develop voluntary accessibility guidelines for instructional materials used
in postsecondary educational programs. Additionally, the commission will be
tasked with developing an annotated list of existing national and
international information technology standards as an additional resource for
institutions of higher education and companies that service the higher
education market. Institutions of higher education that only use technology
that conforms with the guidelines will be deemed in compliance with the
provisions of Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act and Titles II and III of
the Americans with Disabilities Act that pertain to the use of electronic
instructional materials, giving them a safe harbor protection from
litigation. Colleges and universities will be permitted to use material that
does not conform with the guidelines as long as equal access laws are still
honored. Conformity with the AIM High guidelines is only one path to
compliance; schools can pursue a different path, but will forfeit the safe
harbor legal protection. 

The AIM High Act is a collaborative legislative initiative of the National
Federation of the Blind, the American Council on Education, the Association
of American Publishers, EducauseR, and the Software and Information Industry
Association.

 

We need our universities to take action, now! The time is critical.

 

Don't deny, AIM-HEA!

Please contact me with any questions.

 

For equal access to education,

Kathryn C. Webster

President | National Association of Blind Students


From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Thu Mar 30 01:39:27 2017
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (Amanda Cape)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 21:39:27 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Experience working with youth with high-functioning
 intellectual disabilities and autism and going on outings with them as a
 totally blind individual
Message-ID: <CAL57mpFfkTDQRqzx3-fwSc3DVkU_u9RxJk4EfLX8uSVTjy8GDA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,
I am going for an interview tomorrow afternoon for a youth worker
position for a social skills program for youth ages 12-17 to work on
their social skills and improve their confidence. I believe that one
of the activities done by the youth workers is to take the group on
outings to practice their social skills. Has anyone done this before
and what strategies did you use? I am concerned about this task and
feel that the employer might want to know how I would manage this type
of task. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Amanda

Amanda


From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 30 01:52:54 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 21:52:54 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Experience working with youth with high-functioning
 intellectual disabilities and autism and going on outings with them as a
 totally blind individual
In-Reply-To: <CAL57mpFfkTDQRqzx3-fwSc3DVkU_u9RxJk4EfLX8uSVTjy8GDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL57mpFfkTDQRqzx3-fwSc3DVkU_u9RxJk4EfLX8uSVTjy8GDA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <03e301d2a8f8$59cba600$0d62f200$@gmail.com>

Good luck on the interview.
I sure hope you get that. 
How many children will you be responsible for?  Is this an internship, or a
job?
If it's an internship, they probably shouldn't have you out there on your
own.  If it's too many people, they you should have some help.  You
shouldn't have bu so many per person, clients to a professional anyways. I'm
just giving you food for thought.
Justin

-----Original Message-----
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NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 9:39 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Amanda Cape <cape.amanda at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Experience working with youth with high-functioning
intellectual disabilities and autism and going on outings with them as a
totally blind individual

Hi everyone,
I am going for an interview tomorrow afternoon for a youth worker position
for a social skills program for youth ages 12-17 to work on their social
skills and improve their confidence. I believe that one of the activities
done by the youth workers is to take the group on outings to practice their
social skills. Has anyone done this before and what strategies did you use?
I am concerned about this task and feel that the employer might want to know
how I would manage this type of task. Any advice would be greatly
appreciated.
Thanks,
Amanda

Amanda

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From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Thu Mar 30 13:41:06 2017
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 09:41:06 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] It is a job not an internship.Re: Experience working with
 youth with high-functioning intellectual disabilities and autism and going
 on outings with them as a totally blind individual
In-Reply-To: <03e301d2a8f8$59cba600$0d62f200$@gmail.com>
References: <CAL57mpFfkTDQRqzx3-fwSc3DVkU_u9RxJk4EfLX8uSVTjy8GDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<03e301d2a8f8$59cba600$0d62f200$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8F1B2615-101A-49F6-BEE3-5D6DE79E6033@gmail.com>



Amanda

> On Mar 29, 2017, at 9:52 PM, Justin Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good luck on the interview.
> I sure hope you get that. 
> How many children will you be responsible for?  Is this an internship, or a
> job?
> If it's an internship, they probably shouldn't have you out there on your
> own.  If it's too many people, they you should have some help.  You
> shouldn't have bu so many per person, clients to a professional anyways. I'm
> just giving you food for thought.
> Justin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amanda Cape via
> NABS-L
> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 9:39 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Amanda Cape <cape.amanda at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Experience working with youth with high-functioning
> intellectual disabilities and autism and going on outings with them as a
> totally blind individual
> 
> Hi everyone,
> I am going for an interview tomorrow afternoon for a youth worker position
> for a social skills program for youth ages 12-17 to work on their social
> skills and improve their confidence. I believe that one of the activities
> done by the youth workers is to take the group on outings to practice their
> social skills. Has anyone done this before and what strategies did you use?
> I am concerned about this task and feel that the employer might want to know
> how I would manage this type of task. Any advice would be greatly
> appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Amanda
> 
> Amanda
> 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 30 13:58:07 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 09:58:07 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] It is a job not an internship.Re: Experience working
 with youth with high-functioning intellectual disabilities and autism and
 going on outings with them as a totally blind individual
In-Reply-To: <8F1B2615-101A-49F6-BEE3-5D6DE79E6033@gmail.com>
References: <CAL57mpFfkTDQRqzx3-fwSc3DVkU_u9RxJk4EfLX8uSVTjy8GDA@mail.gmail.com>	<03e301d2a8f8$59cba600$0d62f200$@gmail.com>
	<8F1B2615-101A-49F6-BEE3-5D6DE79E6033@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <047401d2a95d$a8e8fde0$fabaf9a0$@gmail.com>

All I got was your name just now.
 Justin

-----Original Message-----
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NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 9:41 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: cape.amanda at gmail.com
Subject: [nabs-l] It is a job not an internship.Re: Experience working with
youth with high-functioning intellectual disabilities and autism and going
on outings with them as a totally blind individual



Amanda

> On Mar 29, 2017, at 9:52 PM, Justin Williams via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good luck on the interview.
> I sure hope you get that. 
> How many children will you be responsible for?  Is this an internship, 
> or a job?
> If it's an internship, they probably shouldn't have you out there on 
> your own.  If it's too many people, they you should have some help.  
> You shouldn't have bu so many per person, clients to a professional 
> anyways. I'm just giving you food for thought.
> Justin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amanda 
> Cape via NABS-L
> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 9:39 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Amanda Cape <cape.amanda at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Experience working with youth with high-functioning 
> intellectual disabilities and autism and going on outings with them as 
> a totally blind individual
> 
> Hi everyone,
> I am going for an interview tomorrow afternoon for a youth worker 
> position for a social skills program for youth ages 12-17 to work on 
> their social skills and improve their confidence. I believe that one 
> of the activities done by the youth workers is to take the group on 
> outings to practice their social skills. Has anyone done this before and
what strategies did you use?
> I am concerned about this task and feel that the employer might want 
> to know how I would manage this type of task. Any advice would be 
> greatly appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Amanda
> 
> Amanda
> 
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From ligne14 at verizon.net  Thu Mar 30 14:59:49 2017
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 10:59:49 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Response to Apanda's question
Message-ID: <0ONM003PPV0K5YB0@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi Amanda,

Sorry I couldn't respond directly in your message, but I got an 
error when I attempted to send it.  Here's my response:

 Hi Amanda,

I'm not sure if this will work, but maybe you can try to get one 
of the students to do sighted guide with you to the place where 
you're going to have the outing? I think this would be useful, 
because it would even allow them to practice their social skills 
with you before they arrive at the outing; while you're walking 
together, you and the student that's guiding you should try to 
engage in conversation so that either party wouldn't get bored on 
the way.  If your assigned student is autistic and doesn't feel 
comfortable with you holding their arm, I would just tell them 
that you completely understand there feelings, but that it's just 
the way that most blind people get around while in an environment 
with many people.
Or, if one of the students guiding you isn't feasible, and if 
there are other  staff members going with you and the students on 
the outings, you can always just do sighted guide with one of 
them.  Although, if you do that, make sure that they know that 
you hold their arm rather than the other way around (I think you 
know what I mean).

I hope that helps.

Sami


From mlomax at BISM.org  Thu Mar 30 15:50:43 2017
From: mlomax at BISM.org (Melissa Lomax)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 15:50:43 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Last Call: Summer Employment at BISM
Message-ID: <BF03F6AEDC7495429E85225A2FEFC5B781B1E6C4@BLINDEXCHANGE.BISM.com>

Happy Thursday!


If you still find yourself searching for a  fulfilling summer experience, consider applying for a  staff position at Blind Industries and Services of Maryland! We are looking  for energetic and confident mentors to join our team!

BISM offers two summer programs: Work to Independence for high-school students and Independence 101 for middle-school students. To learn more about the programs, visit www.bism.org/youth<http://www.bism.org/youth>. To apply, please complete and return the attached application along with your resume.

Please let me know if you have any questions!


Sincerely,

Melissa Lomax
Youth Services Manager
Blind Industries and Services of Maryland
3345 Washington Blvd
Baltimore, MD 21227
(410) 737-2642
www.bism.org/youth

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From spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Mar 30 19:43:04 2017
From: spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net (Jen)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 15:43:04 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Math question
In-Reply-To: <CC6E73A4-BBCB-4BEB-B78E-D4807AA6D2F3@icloud.com>
References: <CC6E73A4-BBCB-4BEB-B78E-D4807AA6D2F3@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <000001d2a98d$db897fb0$929c7f10$@sbcglobal.net>

Hi Michaela,

Try putting the for cell over what you canceled out so you can't read that
part; my former math tutor, who was sighted and learned braille, suggested
this. Erasing braille is really hrd!

Jen

spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net

-----Original Message-----

From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart
via NABS-L

Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 6:59 PM

To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>

Cc: Mikayla Gephart <mikgephart at icloud.com>

Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Math question

Hi all,

I will be discussing this with my TVI tomorrow but need to get your thoughts
on this as well. Sorry if I overwhelm anyone, but I am hoping my
explanations will be worth it.

I am studying rational expressions (AKA fractions) in Math class. I am not
good at Math, so it can take me a while to understand concepts. Do you all
know how when multiplying fractions with variables, you cancel out like
terms in the fraction? I was sitting with my privately hired math tutor
today, and she was mentioning how sighted students put a line through what
they are canceling out so they can see what the numbers are but know they
canceled them out. I tried scratching them out with my finger, but that did
not work well. Any other thoughts? Thank you.


Sincerely,
Mikayla

P.S.
I do my math on the Perkins Braillewriter.
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Thu Mar 30 20:37:15 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 13:37:15 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Dropbox Question
Message-ID: <D01B41F5-2440-4E4F-9A8F-5B658B63D11D@gmail.com>

Hi,
Does anyone know how you can upload files on Dropbox with the I-Phone from email attachments? When I try to upload a file it seems to only allow me to upload one from Pages or ICloud Drive.
Thanks,
Vejas

From pompey2010 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 30 21:16:43 2017
From: pompey2010 at yahoo.com (Bobbi Pompey)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 17:16:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Dropbox Question
In-Reply-To: <D01B41F5-2440-4E4F-9A8F-5B658B63D11D@gmail.com>
References: <D01B41F5-2440-4E4F-9A8F-5B658B63D11D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48FC50D3-E22F-4CD3-9B29-A192DE22F217@yahoo.com>

Hi, 

i am not sure if you are trying to save an attachment to dropbox, or add an attachment to an e-mail from Dropbox, so I will tell you both. 

To save an attachment to Dropbox, open the attachment, then select share. If Dropbox isn't one of the options, selecting more will take you to a list with more options and it should be there. After choosing Dropbox, you will be given the option to Select the file name, and the folder you want the file in. Then just choose save. 

If you are trying to attach a file from Dropbox to an e-mail: 
Go to the edit option on the router, swipe up or down until you get to the attach file option. After choosing that, there will be files displayed from different apps you have on your phone. To get to dropbox, select Locations in the upper left hand corner. Dropbox will appear as one of the options. After selecting dropbox, you can then select the file of your choosing and it will attach. I think you have to attach files one at the time. But if anyone knows a way to select more than one file at a time I would love to hear it. 

Hope my explanation makes sense and I hope it helps! 


Bobbi A. L. Pompey
(336) 988-6375
bobbipompey at gmail.com

"Not everything faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced" James Baldwin 

> On Mar 30, 2017, at 4:37 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Does anyone know how you can upload files on Dropbox with the I-Phone from email attachments? When I try to upload a file it seems to only allow me to upload one from Pages or ICloud Drive.
> Thanks,
> Vejas
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Thu Mar 30 22:42:45 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 15:42:45 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Dropbox Question
In-Reply-To: <48FC50D3-E22F-4CD3-9B29-A192DE22F217@yahoo.com>
References: <D01B41F5-2440-4E4F-9A8F-5B658B63D11D@gmail.com>
	<48FC50D3-E22F-4CD3-9B29-A192DE22F217@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DBAB0910-93A8-4849-BFE2-8D81868389F3@gmail.com>

Hi Bobbi,
Thanks so much for your help. I was trying to put an attachment from an email into Dropbox, and your instructions worked great!
Vejas

> On Mar 30, 2017, at 14:16, Bobbi Pompey via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> i am not sure if you are trying to save an attachment to dropbox, or add an attachment to an e-mail from Dropbox, so I will tell you both. 
> 
> To save an attachment to Dropbox, open the attachment, then select share. If Dropbox isn't one of the options, selecting more will take you to a list with more options and it should be there. After choosing Dropbox, you will be given the option to Select the file name, and the folder you want the file in. Then just choose save. 
> 
> If you are trying to attach a file from Dropbox to an e-mail: 
> Go to the edit option on the router, swipe up or down until you get to the attach file option. After choosing that, there will be files displayed from different apps you have on your phone. To get to dropbox, select Locations in the upper left hand corner. Dropbox will appear as one of the options. After selecting dropbox, you can then select the file of your choosing and it will attach. I think you have to attach files one at the time. But if anyone knows a way to select more than one file at a time I would love to hear it. 
> 
> Hope my explanation makes sense and I hope it helps! 
> 
> 
> Bobbi A. L. Pompey
> (336) 988-6375
> bobbipompey at gmail.com
> 
> "Not everything faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced" James Baldwin 
> 
>> On Mar 30, 2017, at 4:37 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Does anyone know how you can upload files on Dropbox with the I-Phone from email attachments? When I try to upload a file it seems to only allow me to upload one from Pages or ICloud Drive.
>> Thanks,
>> Vejas
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> 
> 
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 31 01:38:45 2017
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 21:38:45 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Experience working with youth with high-functioning
 intellectual disabilities and autism and going on outings with them as a
 totally blind individual
In-Reply-To: <03e301d2a8f8$59cba600$0d62f200$@gmail.com>
References: <CAL57mpFfkTDQRqzx3-fwSc3DVkU_u9RxJk4EfLX8uSVTjy8GDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<03e301d2a8f8$59cba600$0d62f200$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FZzBC8xJ41-kxWU8uP7BgV+rqxAhJUgaTbg+wQMcBPh4Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Amanda,

I'm seeing this probably after you've had your interview, but if you
got the job, here are some strategies I use in my work with kids,
mostly those who have Down Syndrome or are on the Autism spectrum.

Repetition, repetition, repetition.  I can't stress how important it
is for these kids to rehearse again and again how to do things until
they grasp the skill or are not confused anymore.  Acting out social
situations ahead of time is a great way to reinforce good habits.
Make up scenarios and have the kids play different roles, perhaps.
E.G, kids can take turns acting out a scene in a restaurant where one
kid orders food from a casheer, the casheer takes the order, etc.  You
can also provide prompts to the kids verbally in case they forget.  I
don't know the ages of the kids you might be working with, but asking
them "What do we say?," can sometimes jog the memory from the
repetitious rehearsals.  Changing that phrase slightly to make it age
appropriate might be in order if the kids are not really young like
the ones I'm currently working are, as you don't want to be
condescending to them or talking to a 12 year old like they're 5 of
course.

Another thing that could help is to rehearse using scenarios, but have
the other kids who aren't playing the customer and casheer, or any
other person involved watch and comment.  Then those who watched the
situation can give comments on what good things they saw, and what
they think could be improved.  It reinforces using all three learning
modalities because each child would be able to experience being in the
social situation as well as hear and see it when they are watching
others.

HTH.

On 3/29/17, Justin Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Good luck on the interview.
> I sure hope you get that.
> How many children will you be responsible for?  Is this an internship, or a
> job?
> If it's an internship, they probably shouldn't have you out there on your
> own.  If it's too many people, they you should have some help.  You
> shouldn't have bu so many per person, clients to a professional anyways.
> I'm
> just giving you food for thought.
> Justin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amanda Cape
> via
> NABS-L
> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 9:39 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Amanda Cape <cape.amanda at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Experience working with youth with high-functioning
> intellectual disabilities and autism and going on outings with them as a
> totally blind individual
>
> Hi everyone,
> I am going for an interview tomorrow afternoon for a youth worker position
> for a social skills program for youth ages 12-17 to work on their social
> skills and improve their confidence. I believe that one of the activities
> done by the youth workers is to take the group on outings to practice their
> social skills. Has anyone done this before and what strategies did you use?
> I am concerned about this task and feel that the employer might want to
> know
> how I would manage this type of task. Any advice would be greatly
> appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Amanda
>
> Amanda
>
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-- 
Kaiti Shelton


From syedrizvinfb at gmail.com  Fri Mar 31 03:54:22 2017
From: syedrizvinfb at gmail.com (Syed Rizvi)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 22:54:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Beach Bods Followup
Message-ID: <A75B8597-F3F9-4F15-AC4D-86128581F8D8@gmail.com>

Dear Future Fitness Models,
Thank you all so much for coming out to the call. I know many of you wanted to connect with our guest speakers Dylan and Evelyn. Below please find their respective contact information. Dylan said he would be happy to help you guys get those arms of steel, and Evelyn encourages the ladies to reach out to learn how to get a firm booty.
Dylan: +1 (207) 756-hedtler-gaudette.d at husky.neu.edu
Evelyn: +1 (908) 803-4891

Cordially,
     Syed Rizvi 

From truewise.8614 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 31 06:37:25 2017
From: truewise.8614 at gmail.com (Vanna Song)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 23:37:25 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Last Call: Summer Employment at BISM
In-Reply-To: <BF03F6AEDC7495429E85225A2FEFC5B781B1E6C4@BLINDEXCHANGE.BISM.com>
References: <BF03F6AEDC7495429E85225A2FEFC5B781B1E6C4@BLINDEXCHANGE.BISM.com>
Message-ID: <CAOrr3bMReXVXn8U-+ZFo2qVPB2n9Gs4KUSM3nUmuAU2eTgFvOw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

What if an applicant only has internships under his/her belt? Should
the applicant leave the part of the application that asks about
employment blank?

On 3/30/17, Melissa Lomax via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Happy Thursday!
>
>
> If you still find yourself searching for a  fulfilling summer experience,
> consider applying for a  staff position at Blind Industries and Services of
> Maryland! We are looking  for energetic and confident mentors to join our
> team!
>
> BISM offers two summer programs: Work to Independence for high-school
> students and Independence 101 for middle-school students. To learn more
> about the programs, visit www.bism.org/youth<http://www.bism.org/youth>. To
> apply, please complete and return the attached application along with your
> resume.
>
> Please let me know if you have any questions!
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Melissa Lomax
> Youth Services Manager
> Blind Industries and Services of Maryland
> 3345 Washington Blvd
> Baltimore, MD 21227
> (410) 737-2642
> www.bism.org/youth
>
>