From chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com  Fri Sep  1 16:45:01 2017
From: chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com (chelsea peahl)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 16:45:01 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Notes for the Month of August!
Message-ID: <CY1PR1001MB11645A99C40088F4AADA4F23E4920@CY1PR1001MB1164.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

Fellow federationists;
I am excited to bring you the NABS Notes for the month of August!
Attach is the link!
Thank you for your continued work in the federation!
http://nabslink.org/content/nabs-notes-august-2017

Chelsea Peahl
Secretary-National Association of Blind Students
Chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com<mailto:Chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com>


Chelsea Peahl

From jhud7789 at twc.com  Fri Sep  1 19:24:27 2017
From: jhud7789 at twc.com (joseph hudson)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 14:24:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Apple Music membership for ckllege students
In-Reply-To: <59a831c6.96c3370a.2edc8.5645@mx.google.com>
References: <59a831c6.96c3370a.2edc8.5645@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <8E9F3077-0D1B-43A2-946D-13E511D3D2B0@twc.com>

Hi, I haven't heard of anybody having this issue. Could I suggest, that you contact Apple and see if they would be willing to help you fix the problem?
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 10:56 AM, Sami Osborne via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> So I just discovered that if you're a college student, you can get a four-dollar discount for Apple Music (which I've been using for free so far since changing my Apple ID and email address).  I thought that was really cool, so I decided to sign up for this discount membership.  However, when I tried to do so from the Music app, I was brought to the Apple website, in which I had to fill out a form providing my email address as well as the name of my school.  However, after I filled in this information, the text field for my school name kept popping back up, and I kept getting a message saying that what I entered was invalid.  So I tried different approaches, such as just entering my school name without the word "college" at the end, and then just tried the abbreviation, but nothing seemed to work.
> 
> So was just wondering if anyone has used/is using this discount on Apple Music for college students, and if so, what did you do when you were prompted to enter your school name? Also, do you know if some schools may not allow this discount for some reason?
> 
> I hope to hear from all of you soon.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Sami
> 
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From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Sat Sep  2 00:33:49 2017
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (Nesma Aly)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 20:33:49 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Apple Music membership for ckllege students
In-Reply-To: <8E9F3077-0D1B-43A2-946D-13E511D3D2B0@twc.com>
References: <59a831c6.96c3370a.2edc8.5645@mx.google.com>
	<8E9F3077-0D1B-43A2-946D-13E511D3D2B0@twc.com>
Message-ID: <09ed01d32383$25a67430$70f35c90$@gmail.com>

Hi all, 
I've used Apple music as a student before. In my case, I entered Montgomery
college as my school name. I'd make sure that you entered your email in
correctly.  

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of joseph hudson
via NABS-L
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 3:24 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: joseph hudson
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Apple Music membership for ckllege students

Hi, I haven't heard of anybody having this issue. Could I suggest, that you
contact Apple and see if they would be willing to help you fix the problem?
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 10:56 AM, Sami Osborne via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> So I just discovered that if you're a college student, you can get a
four-dollar discount for Apple Music (which I've been using for free so far
since changing my Apple ID and email address).  I thought that was really
cool, so I decided to sign up for this discount membership.  However, when I
tried to do so from the Music app, I was brought to the Apple website, in
which I had to fill out a form providing my email address as well as the
name of my school.  However, after I filled in this information, the text
field for my school name kept popping back up, and I kept getting a message
saying that what I entered was invalid.  So I tried different approaches,
such as just entering my school name without the word "college" at the end,
and then just tried the abbreviation, but nothing seemed to work.
> 
> So was just wondering if anyone has used/is using this discount on Apple
Music for college students, and if so, what did you do when you were
prompted to enter your school name? Also, do you know if some schools may
not allow this discount for some reason?
> 
> I hope to hear from all of you soon.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Sami
> 
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From gpaikens at gmail.com  Sat Sep  2 01:18:45 2017
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (gpaikens at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 21:18:45 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Has anyone taken a geography class in college?
In-Reply-To: <72FE997D-67BD-4B72-8460-6F93824673FF@gmail.com>
References: <72FE997D-67BD-4B72-8460-6F93824673FF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <068501d32389$6c618b20$4524a160$@gmail.com>

I never took a college level geography class, but if you are a braille
reader, I highly recommend getting your hands on some tactile maps and a
tactile globe, if you have never done so. 

APH makes a tactile world atlas which contains basic maps. They lack a lot
of detail though and my favorite maps are made by a group called the
Princeton Braillists. They are extremely affordable compared to what APH
sells. 

Best,
Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of erindaring---
via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 1:59 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: erindaring at gmail.com
Subject: [nabs-l] Has anyone taken a geography class in college?

Hello Fellow NABS Students,

This semester I am taking a geography class. I never had to do it back in
high school or middle school really and one of the text book is an atlas.
How did y'all get through the course and  what kind of accommodation did
y'all use?

Thanks, 
Erin Daring,
Treasurer and Chair of Fundraising 
Maryland Association of Blind Students


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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Sat Sep  2 02:53:23 2017
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2017 22:53:23 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Has anyone taken a geography class in college?
Message-ID: <59aa1d23.4173810a.67dc1.2c04@mx.google.com>

The Princeton Braillists definitely make the best maps.  I used 
them for my college geography course quite successfully.  We were 
required to do map quizzes involving marking things on a blank 
map, and many of the things weren't on my tactile maps, so I had 
to work with someone to learn where on my maps the features that 
weren't marked are (I did this with my dad, but the college 
should provide a reader to help you study if you need one), and I 
did the fill in the blank map quizzes with my professor, because 
doing it with a reader just didn't work.  Geography also involves 
a lot of traditional book learning about what is found in 
different regions, their history, economics, etc., all of which 
is basically like any other class, so it won't all be memorizing 
where on the map things are.

HTH,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Aikens via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 21:18:45 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Has anyone taken a geography class in 
college?

I never took a college level geography class, but if you are a 
braille
reader, I highly recommend getting your hands on some tactile 
maps and a
tactile globe, if you have never done so.

APH makes a tactile world atlas which contains basic maps. They 
lack a lot
of detail though and my favorite maps are made by a group called 
the
Princeton Braillists. They are extremely affordable compared to 
what APH
sells.

Best,
Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
erindaring---
via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 1:59 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: erindaring at gmail.com
Subject: [nabs-l] Has anyone taken a geography class in college?

Hello Fellow NABS Students,

This semester I am taking a geography class. I never had to do it 
back in
high school or middle school really and one of the text book is 
an atlas.
How did y'all get through the course and  what kind of 
accommodation did
y'all use?

Thanks,
Erin Daring,
Treasurer and Chair of Fundraising
Maryland Association of Blind Students


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From cricketbidleman at gmail.com  Sat Sep  2 23:20:36 2017
From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket X. Bidleman)
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2017 16:20:36 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: CABS Call Tomorrow!
Message-ID: <CABP7S8Oquf2oCMAuSCDjrs0CGe=7Zn6T6-j+smVo8mPqZ41rVQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello students!

Please join the California Association of Blind Students (a proud
division of the NFB of California) tomorrow at 5:00 PM Pacific. We
will be discussing anything and everything related to the
back-to-school season. All are welcome!

Date: Sunday, September 03, 2017
Time: 5:00 PM PDT
Call-in Number: (515) 739-1031
Access code: 958093

https://m.facebook.com/events/723088997878220?acontext=%7B%22ref%22%3A%2298%22%2C%22action_history%22%3A%22null%22%7D&aref=98&__tn__=H

As usual, please share our Facebook page and Twitter account. We
wouldn't exist without membership and support. Thanks in advance for
spreading the word about our movement!

Best,
Cricket X. Bidleman
Stanford University, Class of '21


From piano.girl0299 at gmail.com  Sun Sep  3 00:28:45 2017
From: piano.girl0299 at gmail.com (Kelsey Nicolay)
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2017 20:28:45 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Office 2016
Message-ID: <9AC5517E-04D9-4C44-9838-70DE37008B4A@gmail.com>



Sent from my iPhone
Hello,
I mentioned I will be giving a presentation on assistive technology at work. I just found out that it will be September 12. I am working on putting my PowerPoint together, but it's not going so well using JAWS with Office 2016. It took me half an hour to enable editing first off, then another hour just jo edit a couple slides. I ended up having to get a sighted friend to help me. Therefore, if anyone has suffessfully created a presentation using Office 2016 with JAWS, please email me off list for some possible assistance. I never had this much trouble with Office 2010. My email address is piano.girl0299 at gmail.com. I look forward to hearing from you.
Kind oegards,
Kelsey Nicolay

From rob.parso3389 at gmail.com  Sun Sep  3 18:10:06 2017
From: rob.parso3389 at gmail.com (Robert Parsons)
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2017 14:10:06 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Join the VABS Monthly Conference Call
Message-ID: <00c701d324df$df6f8110$9e4e8330$@gmail.com>

Greetings NABS

 

I hope that all is well and that the beginning of your semester is going
swimmingly. It is about that time again where we get together on the phone
and discuss exciting new things and business. The September conference call
of the Virginia Association of Blind Students will be this Thursday,
September 7, 2017 at 7pm. Please be prepared to discuss in detail, the
following:

 

1.	Our VABS Bowl with the Blind Event on October 7, 2017 for National
Meet the Blind Month.
2.	Our Amazon Tap Fundraiser and how you can buy or help sell a ticket.
3.	Our upcoming state convention and business meeting on November 4,
2017.
4.	The role of the positions up for elections. 
5.	The fundraising efforts of VABS at our state convention. 

I look forward to having each of you on this phone call and am prepared to
sweeten the pot just a little bit. State tuned for information on a virtual
door prize. The call-in credentials are:

 

641 715 3655

Access Code: 568305

 

All the Best

 

Robert E. Parsons Jr.

President, Richmond Chapter

President, Virginia Association of Blind Students

National Federation of the Blind of Virginia

Randolph Macon College '18 

Phone: 804 801 7674

"Without struggle, there is no progress." -Frederick Douglass

 

 

 

Robert E. Parsons Jr.

President, Richmond Chapter

President, Virginia Association of Blind Students

National Federation of the Blind of Virginia

Randolph Macon College '18 

Phone: 804 801 7674

"Without struggle, there is no progress." -Frederick Douglass

 


From armando.mailinglists at gmail.com  Sun Sep  3 23:49:13 2017
From: armando.mailinglists at gmail.com (Armando Vias)
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2017 19:49:13 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: CABS Call Tomorrow!
In-Reply-To: <CABP7S8Oquf2oCMAuSCDjrs0CGe=7Zn6T6-j+smVo8mPqZ41rVQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABP7S8Oquf2oCMAuSCDjrs0CGe=7Zn6T6-j+smVo8mPqZ41rVQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ACB51505-EF00-4212-8668-14CAB680E7A2@gmail.com>

Can students from Georgia come? Or, is it only for California?

Sent from my iPhone 6s

> On Sep 2, 2017, at 7:20 PM, Cricket X. Bidleman via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello students!
> 
> Please join the California Association of Blind Students (a proud
> division of the NFB of California) tomorrow at 5:00 PM Pacific. We
> will be discussing anything and everything related to the
> back-to-school season. All are welcome!
> 
> Date: Sunday, September 03, 2017
> Time: 5:00 PM PDT
> Call-in Number: (515) 739-1031
> Access code: 958093
> 
> https://m.facebook.com/events/723088997878220?acontext=%7B%22ref%22%3A%2298%22%2C%22action_history%22%3A%22null%22%7D&aref=98&__tn__=H
> 
> As usual, please share our Facebook page and Twitter account. We
> wouldn't exist without membership and support. Thanks in advance for
> spreading the word about our movement!
> 
> Best,
> Cricket X. Bidleman
> Stanford University, Class of '21
> 
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From cricketbidleman at gmail.com  Sun Sep  3 23:55:43 2017
From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman)
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2017 16:55:43 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: CABS Call Tomorrow!
In-Reply-To: <ACB51505-EF00-4212-8668-14CAB680E7A2@gmail.com>
References: <CABP7S8Oquf2oCMAuSCDjrs0CGe=7Zn6T6-j+smVo8mPqZ41rVQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<ACB51505-EF00-4212-8668-14CAB680E7A2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F201B09-5D5C-4A56-93DA-9D8E248166CA@gmail.com>

Hi!

We welcome all. Feel free to join us! Thank you for your interest! It starts in a few minutes though... just be aware of that.

Best,
Cricket X. Bidleman
Stanford University, class of '21

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 3, 2017, at 16:49, Armando Vias via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Can students from Georgia come? Or, is it only for California?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6s
> 
>> On Sep 2, 2017, at 7:20 PM, Cricket X. Bidleman via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello students!
>> 
>> Please join the California Association of Blind Students (a proud
>> division of the NFB of California) tomorrow at 5:00 PM Pacific. We
>> will be discussing anything and everything related to the
>> back-to-school season. All are welcome!
>> 
>> Date: Sunday, September 03, 2017
>> Time: 5:00 PM PDT
>> Call-in Number: (515) 739-1031
>> Access code: 958093
>> 
>> https://m.facebook.com/events/723088997878220?acontext=%7B%22ref%22%3A%2298%22%2C%22action_history%22%3A%22null%22%7D&aref=98&__tn__=H
>> 
>> As usual, please share our Facebook page and Twitter account. We
>> wouldn't exist without membership and support. Thanks in advance for
>> spreading the word about our movement!
>> 
>> Best,
>> Cricket X. Bidleman
>> Stanford University, Class of '21
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
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> 
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Sun Sep  3 23:56:43 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2017 16:56:43 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: CABS Call Tomorrow!
In-Reply-To: <ACB51505-EF00-4212-8668-14CAB680E7A2@gmail.com>
References: <CABP7S8Oquf2oCMAuSCDjrs0CGe=7Zn6T6-j+smVo8mPqZ41rVQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<ACB51505-EF00-4212-8668-14CAB680E7A2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3215D2D0-9920-4B0D-9823-028751F93B7E@gmail.com>

It's open to anyone.
Vejas

> On Sep 3, 2017, at 16:49, Armando Vias via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Can students from Georgia come? Or, is it only for California?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6s
> 
>> On Sep 2, 2017, at 7:20 PM, Cricket X. Bidleman via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello students!
>> 
>> Please join the California Association of Blind Students (a proud
>> division of the NFB of California) tomorrow at 5:00 PM Pacific. We
>> will be discussing anything and everything related to the
>> back-to-school season. All are welcome!
>> 
>> Date: Sunday, September 03, 2017
>> Time: 5:00 PM PDT
>> Call-in Number: (515) 739-1031
>> Access code: 958093
>> 
>> https://m.facebook.com/events/723088997878220?acontext=%7B%22ref%22%3A%2298%22%2C%22action_history%22%3A%22null%22%7D&aref=98&__tn__=H
>> 
>> As usual, please share our Facebook page and Twitter account. We
>> wouldn't exist without membership and support. Thanks in advance for
>> spreading the word about our movement!
>> 
>> Best,
>> Cricket X. Bidleman
>> Stanford University, Class of '21
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
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From truewise.8614 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  4 00:30:03 2017
From: truewise.8614 at gmail.com (Vanna Song)
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2017 17:30:03 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Our summer fun and learning!
In-Reply-To: <CAABjKXmFA75eWts5xGZPahPpbMb+chWiH-zXZ5Kp_qNtiXUZqA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAABjKXmFA75eWts5xGZPahPpbMb+chWiH-zXZ5Kp_qNtiXUZqA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOrr3bOS1UBVYP-UEQjGQwkcS_0XwjvySV8bLaAO3zhpSu=AxQ@mail.gmail.com>

That was a really cool program! Hope to be part of it again next
summer. Keep up the great work, Dr. Chase.

On 8/31/17, Alan A. Chase via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Good morning,
>
> As you know, the purpose of the EYE Retreat is to support and prepare high
> school youth with visual impairments for college and work.  This year we
> had 51 participants from eight states.  In 2018, we will be celebrating 10
> years of service!
>
> Below are links to two videos.  The videos are too large to upload to an
> email.  One is a recap of the weekly activities and the other is a
> testimonial / reflection of the week.  I trust you will enjoy.  Grab some
> popcorn and relax!
>
> A written report, including data supporting the success of our program will
> be available in the coming month.  Check our website at www.eyeretreat.org
> for information on 2018 in the coming months so you can join in on the fun
> and learning next year!
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5u_4LU2eCmIR3ZIeVV2a0NROHc/view?
> usp=sharing
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5u_4LU2eCmIVm1mbXVjckl1aFk
> /view?usp=sharing
>
> Thanks!
>
> Alan
>
> *Dr. Alan A. Chase*
> President & Director, Envisioning Youth Empowerment Retreat
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From kenia.flores101 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  4 01:42:17 2017
From: kenia.flores101 at gmail.com (Kenia Flores)
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2017 20:42:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] SPSS Statistics Software
Message-ID: <CAFKMa7EuoYR1AfaGKV-nFjqBXv=4a4_Bc8CcpEEQK-LFk8pS3w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

My Political Analysis class is using a statistical software called
SPSS. It has not been accessible with JAWS so far. Have any of you had
any success with it? Do certain settings need to be configured in
order for it to work with JAWS? Thank you for any and all suggestions.

Best,
Kenia Flores


From keribcu at gmail.com  Mon Sep  4 03:21:35 2017
From: keribcu at gmail.com (Keri Svendsen)
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2017 23:21:35 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] SPSS Statistics Software
In-Reply-To: <CAFKMa7EuoYR1AfaGKV-nFjqBXv=4a4_Bc8CcpEEQK-LFk8pS3w@mail.gmail.com>
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I use R myself for a stats package, and its accessible. I'd see if you 
can just use that instead.


On 9/3/2017 9:42 PM, Kenia Flores via NABS-L wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> My Political Analysis class is using a statistical software called
> SPSS. It has not been accessible with JAWS so far. Have any of you had
> any success with it? Do certain settings need to be configured in
> order for it to work with JAWS? Thank you for any and all suggestions.
>
> Best,
> Kenia Flores
>
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From jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com  Mon Sep  4 12:46:56 2017
From: jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com (Jason Polansky)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 08:46:56 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] SPSS Statistics Software
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References: <CAFKMa7EuoYR1AfaGKV-nFjqBXv=4a4_Bc8CcpEEQK-LFk8pS3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<d30b7696-2978-c994-2089-5843e13e6179@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C1335DF1-DE5E-49E6-BFA5-605AADD77AFE@gmail.com>

Hi Kenia, I am taking a stats class this semester in which the other students are using Minitab which is not accessible. We basically decided that I would just use a human reader, since the portion of the class involving Minitab is only about 10% of the total grade. Will you have to use spss much in the future? You may be better off finding a classmate to work with. You can still come up with ideas and record your results in a way that's accessible to you. 

> On Sep 3, 2017, at 11:21 PM, Keri Svendsen via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I use R myself for a stats package, and its accessible. I'd see if you can just use that instead.
> 
> 
>> On 9/3/2017 9:42 PM, Kenia Flores via NABS-L wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> My Political Analysis class is using a statistical software called
>> SPSS. It has not been accessible with JAWS so far. Have any of you had
>> any success with it? Do certain settings need to be configured in
>> order for it to work with JAWS? Thank you for any and all suggestions.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Kenia Flores
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
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> 
> -- 
> Keri Svendsen
> 
> 
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From cather_dustin at yahoo.com  Mon Sep  4 17:56:58 2017
From: cather_dustin at yahoo.com (Dustin)
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2017 12:56:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Restaurant Fundraiser Call Tonight!
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From gpaikens at gmail.com  Mon Sep  4 19:55:10 2017
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (gpaikens at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 15:55:10 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Office 2016
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References: <9AC5517E-04D9-4C44-9838-70DE37008B4A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004001d325b7$b7646810$262d3830$@gmail.com>

Hi Kelsey, 
It is difficult to offer much advice from your message but I know that one
of the biggest changes for switching to Office 2013 or later is the
backstage views used in the File tab. Freedom Scientific has a free webinar
about Office 2016 that does a pretty good job explaining how they work. The
link is:
http://www.freedomscientific.com/Services/TrainingAndCertification/WebinarDe
tail/F0117

Also, by default, it seems as though all of the Office programs open any
file that wasn't created on your computer in protected view. You can turn
this off by going to File > Options > Trust Center > Trust Center settings >
Protected View and unchecking the boxes there. 

Aside from those two things, working in PowerPoint should be pretty similar
to what you are used to in 2010. 

I hope this helps.

-Greg


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Subject: [nabs-l] Office 2016



Sent from my iPhone
Hello,
I mentioned I will be giving a presentation on assistive technology at work.
I just found out that it will be September 12. I am working on putting my
PowerPoint together, but it's not going so well using JAWS with Office 2016.
It took me half an hour to enable editing first off, then another hour just
jo edit a couple slides. I ended up having to get a sighted friend to help
me. Therefore, if anyone has suffessfully created a presentation using
Office 2016 with JAWS, please email me off list for some possible
assistance. I never had this much trouble with Office 2010. My email address
is piano.girl0299 at gmail.com. I look forward to hearing from you.
Kind oegards,
Kelsey Nicolay
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Tue Sep  5 03:00:41 2017
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2017 20:00:41 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] SPSS Statistics Software
In-Reply-To: <C1335DF1-DE5E-49E6-BFA5-605AADD77AFE@gmail.com>
References: <CAFKMa7EuoYR1AfaGKV-nFjqBXv=4a4_Bc8CcpEEQK-LFk8pS3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<d30b7696-2978-c994-2089-5843e13e6179@gmail.com>
	<C1335DF1-DE5E-49E6-BFA5-605AADD77AFE@gmail.com>
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Evening, Jason,

         Good on you for being open in the first place and exercising 
beneffits associatedd with a, get this, human reader! That's 
independence if you ask me, unlike  resorting to equivalent yet 
synthetic means of doing the same thing. Using synthethized 
substitutes in my opinion does not emphasize independence in the same 
way does having facility necessary to instruct and relevantly 
question a sighted reader. That's how it's always been before they 
came up with computer substitutes!
Car  05:46 AM 9/4/2017, Jason Polansky via NABS-L wrote:
>Hi Kenia, I am taking a stats class this semester in which the other 
>students are using Minitab which is not accessible. We basically 
>decided that I would just use a human reader, since the portion of 
>the class involving Minitab is only about 10% of the total grade. 
>Will you have to use spss much in the future? You may be better off 
>finding a classmate to work with. You can still come up with ideas 
>and record your results in a way that's accessible to you.
>
> > On Sep 3, 2017, at 11:21 PM, Keri Svendsen via NABS-L 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > I use R myself for a stats package, and its accessible. I'd see 
> if you can just use that instead.
> >
> >
> >> On 9/3/2017 9:42 PM, Kenia Flores via NABS-L wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> My Political Analysis class is using a statistical software called
> >> SPSS. It has not been accessible with JAWS so far. Have any of you had
> >> any success with it? Do certain settings need to be configured in
> >> order for it to work with JAWS? Thank you for any and all suggestions.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Kenia Flores
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> NABS-L mailing list
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> > --
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> >
> >
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From hstaley at nfbtx.org  Tue Sep  5 03:17:34 2017
From: hstaley at nfbtx.org (Harry Staley)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 22:17:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] SPSS Statistics Software
In-Reply-To: <d30b7696-2978-c994-2089-5843e13e6179@gmail.com>
References: <CAFKMa7EuoYR1AfaGKV-nFjqBXv=4a4_Bc8CcpEEQK-LFk8pS3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<d30b7696-2978-c994-2089-5843e13e6179@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F037595D-B88C-42C2-B3B0-B6C4069C0BBB@nfbtx.org>

I also use R.

Harry Staley
(330) 718-1876
Staleyh at gmail.com

> On Sep 3, 2017, at 22:21, Keri Svendsen via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I use R myself for a stats package, and its accessible. I'd see if you can just use that instead.
> 
> 
>> On 9/3/2017 9:42 PM, Kenia Flores via NABS-L wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> My Political Analysis class is using a statistical software called
>> SPSS. It has not been accessible with JAWS so far. Have any of you had
>> any success with it? Do certain settings need to be configured in
>> order for it to work with JAWS? Thank you for any and all suggestions.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Kenia Flores
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
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> 
> -- 
> Keri Svendsen
> 
> 
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Tue Sep  5 03:26:05 2017
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2017 20:26:05 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] SPSS Statistics Software
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	<F037595D-B88C-42C2-B3B0-B6C4069C0BBB@nfbtx.org>
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Harry,

What is R? Do you mean readers?
Car
At 08:17 PM 9/4/2017, you wrote:
>I also use R.
>
>Harry Staley
>(330) 718-1876
>Staleyh at gmail.com
>
> > On Sep 3, 2017, at 22:21, Keri Svendsen via NABS-L 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > I use R myself for a stats package, and its accessible. I'd see 
> if you can just use that instead.
> >
> >
> >> On 9/3/2017 9:42 PM, Kenia Flores via NABS-L wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> My Political Analysis class is using a statistical software called
> >> SPSS. It has not been accessible with JAWS so far. Have any of you had
> >> any success with it? Do certain settings need to be configured in
> >> order for it to work with JAWS? Thank you for any and all suggestions.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Kenia Flores
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> NABS-L mailing list
> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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> >
> > --
> > Keri Svendsen
> >
> >
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From jfranks at nfbtx.org  Tue Sep  5 03:35:25 2017
From: jfranks at nfbtx.org (Jonathan Franks)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 22:35:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] SPSS Statistics Software
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References: <CAFKMa7EuoYR1AfaGKV-nFjqBXv=4a4_Bc8CcpEEQK-LFk8pS3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<d30b7696-2978-c994-2089-5843e13e6179@gmail.com>
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R is another sister statistical software program.   I  used it when I was earning  my bachelors degree.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 4, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Harry,
> 
> What is R? Do you mean readers?
> Car
> At 08:17 PM 9/4/2017, you wrote:
>> I also use R.
>> 
>> Harry Staley
>> (330) 718-1876
>> Staleyh at gmail.com
>> 
>> > On Sep 3, 2017, at 22:21, Keri Svendsen via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > I use R myself for a stats package, and its accessible. I'd see if you can just use that instead.
>> >
>> >
>> >> On 9/3/2017 9:42 PM, Kenia Flores via NABS-L wrote:
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >> My Political Analysis class is using a statistical software called
>> >> SPSS. It has not been accessible with JAWS so far. Have any of you had
>> >> any success with it? Do certain settings need to be configured in
>> >> order for it to work with JAWS? Thank you for any and all suggestions.
>> >>
>> >> Best,
>> >> Kenia Flores
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> NABS-L mailing list
>> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/keribcu%40gmail.com
>> >
>> > --
>> > Keri Svendsen
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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> 
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From keribcu at gmail.com  Tue Sep  5 03:38:48 2017
From: keribcu at gmail.com (Keri Svendsen)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 23:38:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] SPSS Statistics Software
In-Reply-To: <59ae1992.0734370a.b1c28.3815SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
References: <CAFKMa7EuoYR1AfaGKV-nFjqBXv=4a4_Bc8CcpEEQK-LFk8pS3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<d30b7696-2978-c994-2089-5843e13e6179@gmail.com>
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r. is a stats program much like spss and all the other things. R. is 
used by blind and sighted people alike, and is more popular than many 
realize.



On 9/4/2017 11:26 PM, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L wrote:
> Harry,
>
> What is R? Do you mean readers?
> Car
> At 08:17 PM 9/4/2017, you wrote:
>> I also use R.
>>
>> Harry Staley
>> (330) 718-1876
>> Staleyh at gmail.com
>>
>> > On Sep 3, 2017, at 22:21, Keri Svendsen via NABS-L 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > I use R myself for a stats package, and its accessible. I'd see if 
>> you can just use that instead.
>> >
>> >
>> >> On 9/3/2017 9:42 PM, Kenia Flores via NABS-L wrote:
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >> My Political Analysis class is using a statistical software called
>> >> SPSS. It has not been accessible with JAWS so far. Have any of you 
>> had
>> >> any success with it? Do certain settings need to be configured in
>> >> order for it to work with JAWS? Thank you for any and all 
>> suggestions.
>> >>
>> >> Best,
>> >> Kenia Flores
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> NABS-L mailing list
>> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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>> >
>> > --
>> > Keri Svendsen
>> >
>> >
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Keri Svendsen



From hstaley at nfbtx.org  Tue Sep  5 03:44:25 2017
From: hstaley at nfbtx.org (Harry Staley)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 22:44:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] SPSS Statistics Software
In-Reply-To: <2a5ee182-60ec-dc27-f310-3454a1d9b988@gmail.com>
References: <CAFKMa7EuoYR1AfaGKV-nFjqBXv=4a4_Bc8CcpEEQK-LFk8pS3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<d30b7696-2978-c994-2089-5843e13e6179@gmail.com>
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Check it out.

https://www.r-project.org/about.html <https://www.r-project.org/about.html>

> On Sep 4, 2017, at 10:38 PM, Keri Svendsen via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> r. is a stats program much like spss and all the other things. R. is used by blind and sighted people alike, and is more popular than many realize.
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/4/2017 11:26 PM, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L wrote:
>> Harry,
>> 
>> What is R? Do you mean readers?
>> Car
>> At 08:17 PM 9/4/2017, you wrote:
>>> I also use R.
>>> 
>>> Harry Staley
>>> (330) 718-1876
>>> Staleyh at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> > On Sep 3, 2017, at 22:21, Keri Svendsen via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I use R myself for a stats package, and its accessible. I'd see if you can just use that instead.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> On 9/3/2017 9:42 PM, Kenia Flores via NABS-L wrote:
>>> >> Hi all,
>>> >>
>>> >> My Political Analysis class is using a statistical software called
>>> >> SPSS. It has not been accessible with JAWS so far. Have any of you had
>>> >> any success with it? Do certain settings need to be configured in
>>> >> order for it to work with JAWS? Thank you for any and all suggestions.
>>> >>
>>> >> Best,
>>> >> Kenia Flores
>>> >>
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> NABS-L mailing list
>>> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/keribcu%40gmail.com
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Keri Svendsen
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > NABS-L mailing list
>>> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hstaley%40nfbtx.org
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/keribcu%40gmail.com
> 
> -- 
> Keri Svendsen
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hstaley%40nfbtx.org


From carlymih at comcast.net  Tue Sep  5 04:47:18 2017
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2017 21:47:18 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] SPSS Statistics Software
In-Reply-To: <2a5ee182-60ec-dc27-f310-3454a1d9b988@gmail.com>
References: <CAFKMa7EuoYR1AfaGKV-nFjqBXv=4a4_Bc8CcpEEQK-LFk8pS3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<d30b7696-2978-c994-2089-5843e13e6179@gmail.com>
	<F037595D-B88C-42C2-B3B0-B6C4069C0BBB@nfbtx.org>
	<59ae1992.0734370a.b1c28.3815SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
	<2a5ee182-60ec-dc27-f310-3454a1d9b988@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.321.1772982285.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Guess I'm not a hipster afterall. At 08:38 PM 9/4/2017, Keri Svendsen 
via NABS-L wrote:
>r. is a stats program much like spss and all the other things. R. is 
>used by blind and sighted people alike, and is more popular than many realize.
>
>
>
>On 9/4/2017 11:26 PM, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L wrote:
>>Harry,
>>
>>What is R? Do you mean readers?
>>Car
>>At 08:17 PM 9/4/2017, you wrote:
>>>I also use R.
>>>
>>>Harry Staley
>>>(330) 718-1876
>>>Staleyh at gmail.com
>>>
>>> > On Sep 3, 2017, at 22:21, Keri Svendsen via NABS-L 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I use R myself for a stats package, and its accessible. I'd see 
>>> if you can just use that instead.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> On 9/3/2017 9:42 PM, Kenia Flores via NABS-L wrote:
>>> >> Hi all,
>>> >>
>>> >> My Political Analysis class is using a statistical software called
>>> >> SPSS. It has not been accessible with JAWS so far. Have any of you had
>>> >> any success with it? Do certain settings need to be configured in
>>> >> order for it to work with JAWS? Thank you for any and all suggestions.
>>> >>
>>> >> Best,
>>> >> Kenia Flores
>>> >>
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> NABS-L mailing list
>>> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account 
>>> info for NABS-L:
>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/keribcu%40gmail.com
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Keri Svendsen
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > NABS-L mailing list
>>> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account 
>>> info for NABS-L:
>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hstaley%40nfbtx.org
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>NABS-L mailing list
>>>NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
>>>for NABS-L:
>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>NABS-L mailing list
>>NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/keribcu%40gmail.com
>
>--
>Keri Svendsen
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>NABS-L mailing list
>NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net




From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Tue Sep  5 20:38:07 2017
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 16:38:07 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Sending course messages through blackboard with jaws 17
Message-ID: <CBE3A450-DF5E-4875-96AE-E537F5A86061@gmail.com>

Hi everyone,
I am trying to send a course message through blackboard with jaws 17 and Firefox. For some reason I can input all
Of the Fields except the recipients one. How do I choose all recipients or the ones I want. When I try to select them it still gives me an error saying that I have to choose at least one recipient when I click submit.
Thank you.Amanda

From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Sep  6 02:27:30 2017
From: dandrews at visi.com (David B Andrews)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 21:27:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] SPSS Statistics Software
In-Reply-To: <2a5ee182-60ec-dc27-f310-3454a1d9b988@gmail.com>
References: <CAFKMa7EuoYR1AfaGKV-nFjqBXv=4a4_Bc8CcpEEQK-LFk8pS3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<d30b7696-2978-c994-2089-5843e13e6179@gmail.com>
	<F037595D-B88C-42C2-B3B0-B6C4069C0BBB@nfbtx.org>
	<59ae1992.0734370a.b1c28.3815SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
	<2a5ee182-60ec-dc27-f310-3454a1d9b988@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d3ddc83a-814b-5c63-8d1d-0a77ae483cdb@visi.com>

If people aren't able to get the answers they need here -- concerning 
statistics software, then we have some other applicable lists here on 
nfbnet.org that might help, all at http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/

There is blindmath, nfb-science and blindrug the blind r users group.  
All have good people on them.


Dave




On 9/4/2017 10:38 PM, Keri Svendsen via NABS-L wrote:
> r. is a stats program much like spss and all the other things. R. is 
> used by blind and sighted people alike, and is more popular than many 
> realize.
>
>
>
> On 9/4/2017 11:26 PM, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L wrote:
>> Harry,
>>
>> What is R? Do you mean readers?
>> Car
>> At 08:17 PM 9/4/2017, you wrote:
>>> I also use R.
>>>
>>> Harry Staley
>>> (330) 718-1876
>>> Staleyh at gmail.com
>>>
>>> > On Sep 3, 2017, at 22:21, Keri Svendsen via NABS-L 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I use R myself for a stats package, and its accessible. I'd see if 
>>> you can just use that instead.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> On 9/3/2017 9:42 PM, Kenia Flores via NABS-L wrote:
>>> >> Hi all,
>>> >>
>>> >> My Political Analysis class is using a statistical software called
>>> >> SPSS. It has not been accessible with JAWS so far. Have any of 
>>> you had
>>> >> any success with it? Do certain settings need to be configured in
>>> >> order for it to work with JAWS? Thank you for any and all 
>>> suggestions.
>>> >>
>>> >> Best,
>>> >> Kenia Flores
>>> >>
>>> >> __________________________________

-- 
David Andrews and long white cane harry!
dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org



From mikaelastevens at gmail.com  Wed Sep  6 12:58:56 2017
From: mikaelastevens at gmail.com (Mikaela Stevens)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 06:58:56 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Draft message for NABS email list
Message-ID: <6E86CC1F-E6D7-4F05-99FA-F69A5EC39347@gmail.com>

Dear students:

We are excited to announce the Utah Association of blind students is hosting a student seminar! It will be held in Salt Lake at Division of Services for the Blind and Visually Impaired building, October 21 from three Dash 7 PM, and you're invited. Please let me or Chelsea Peahl ( chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com) know off-list if you would like more details.

We hope to see many of you there.

Best regards,
Mikaela

From annajee82 at gmail.com  Wed Sep  6 16:00:29 2017
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 12:00:29 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fun! Money! And football!
Message-ID: <106D6078-7EAA-4EFF-992E-FE7DFA5ACC11@gmail.com>

Final reminder to get in on the fun here.
The deadline is tonight!

We so appreciate all of your support!

In brief, the way that it works is you pick one NFL team to win their game per week. If the team you select wins, you move on. If the team you select loses, you get a strike. Two strikes and your out. And to make it even more exciting, we will host a game day party at some point throughout the season.
To participate in the pool, their is a one-time $20 entry fee. Fifty percent of the proceeds will go to the Colorado Association of Blind Students, 40% of the proceeds will go to the winner and 10% will go to the individual who finishes in 2nd place.
The attached document contains a more-indepth description as well as the rules, methods for making payment and payment deadlines. If you plan to participate please read said document in its entirety so their aren’t any surprises.
If you wish to participate please send an email to Cody bair at  codyjbair at yahoo.com stating all of the following:
that you wish to participate in our NFL Survivor pool
which payment method you intend to use(see attached document)
your week 1 pick
If you have further questions please do not hesitate to reach out to me. 

Cody Bair |  codyjbair at yahoo.com

Anna E Givens | 402-817-8934



From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Sep  6 17:06:39 2017
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 13:06:39 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fun! Money! And football!
In-Reply-To: <106D6078-7EAA-4EFF-992E-FE7DFA5ACC11@gmail.com>
References: <106D6078-7EAA-4EFF-992E-FE7DFA5ACC11@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <60C6A0BA-196E-4467-A141-D309180177DF@gmail.com>

Thanks for the reminder

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 6, 2017, at 12:00 PM, Anna Givens via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Final reminder to get in on the fun here.
> The deadline is tonight!
> 
> We so appreciate all of your support!
> 
> In brief, the way that it works is you pick one NFL team to win their game per week. If the team you select wins, you move on. If the team you select loses, you get a strike. Two strikes and your out. And to make it even more exciting, we will host a game day party at some point throughout the season.
> To participate in the pool, their is a one-time $20 entry fee. Fifty percent of the proceeds will go to the Colorado Association of Blind Students, 40% of the proceeds will go to the winner and 10% will go to the individual who finishes in 2nd place.
> The attached document contains a more-indepth description as well as the rules, methods for making payment and payment deadlines. If you plan to participate please read said document in its entirety so their aren’t any surprises.
> If you wish to participate please send an email to Cody bair at  codyjbair at yahoo.com stating all of the following:
> that you wish to participate in our NFL Survivor pool
> which payment method you intend to use(see attached document)
> your week 1 pick
> If you have further questions please do not hesitate to reach out to me. 
> 
> Cody Bair |  codyjbair at yahoo.com
> 
> Anna E Givens | 402-817-8934
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com


From kenia.flores101 at gmail.com  Wed Sep  6 18:47:14 2017
From: kenia.flores101 at gmail.com (Kenia Flores)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 13:47:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Legislative Advocacy Committee Call
Message-ID: <CAFKMa7EXTxKWYG7wJhS_fS92zkh3D+Etj87w41mn5TEkV1jGnQ@mail.gmail.com>

Good afternoon, fellow students,

Are you interested in advancing the legislative priorities of our
movement? Are you just interested  in learning more about our
legislation? If you answered yes to either or both of these questions,
please join the legislative advocacy committee for a conference call
on Tuesday, September 12 at 9pm EST, 8pm CST,. The call-in number is
712-7705197, and the access code is 265669.

Best,
Kenia Flores
Co-Chair, National Association of Blind Students Legislative Advocacy Committee


From codybeardslee at gmail.com  Wed Sep  6 19:28:57 2017
From: codybeardslee at gmail.com (Cody Beardslee)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 14:28:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fundraising Sub Committee Call
Message-ID: <9E740F5E-8321-4D77-8FFE-0F15DECD61EA@gmail.com>

Hi everyone, 

Come join us on tonight's NABS Fundraising Sub Committee Call at 9 eastern.  We will be discussing a number of fun ways you can help raise money for our wonderful organization including fantasy sports, sports brackets, and ways to work with our 3 NFB training centers.  

Conference Line: (712) 770-5197 
Access code: 265669 

Let me know if you have any questions.  

Cody Beardslee 
Treasurer, National Association of Blind Students 
President, Minnesota Association of Blind Students 
Board Member, National Federation of the Blind of Minnesota 
Phone: 763-291-3711
Work Email: cbeardslee at blindinc.org 
LIVE THE LIFE YOU WANT! 

From johnniejduran at gmail.com  Wed Sep  6 20:17:19 2017
From: johnniejduran at gmail.com (johnnie Jean duran)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 14:17:19 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible online courses
Message-ID: <CAOiA0Sv5yjrN6aRtMnt5M0MUjAvm4QhB+xRkh0k5L=+Jr6O=0g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
I recently started taking an online psychology class as a high school
elective. The class allows me to earn college credit. The class,
unfortunately, is on an online platform called edgenuity.
I started out by taking a pre-test, and I had no trouble navigating
through it, but after that, it took me to a vocabulary lesson, easy
enough right? But, it was an activity where you type the vocab word
into a text box, and take your own personal note of the definition,
which I did. However, after that, it wouldn't let me click next, with
or without voiceover, so my classroom teacher read the
words/definitions to me, then she moved me to the next lesson, it was
a video lecture, separated into 9 different sections. I watched the
first video, took notes, then I clicked next. A window popped up with
a question, and as I was browsing through the multiple choice answers,
the webpage crashed, and forced me to log back in. I tried about 4
more times, using safari, chrome, and firefox, and it still keeps
reloading the page. I can't get past that lecture without answering
that question. I'm really agitated because I've been in this class for
a little over a week, and haven't accomplished anything. What's my
next option? Where do I go from here?
Thanks,
JJ

-- 
Johnnie Jean Duran

Secretary

Colorado Association of Blind Students, a division of the National
Federation of the Blind of Colorado
http://www.nfbco.org

Grade 12

John F. Kennedy High School

Denver, Colorado


From shannoncantan.nfb at gmail.com  Wed Sep  6 20:44:11 2017
From: shannoncantan.nfb at gmail.com (Shannon Cantan)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 10:44:11 -1000
Subject: [nabs-l] Fundraising Committee Call
Message-ID: <BB15868C-765F-43BD-B425-8D64BD4A1BEC@gmail.com>

Students,

The Fundraising Committee will be meeting this Monday September 11 at 9PM Eastern.
We got things moving in the right direction and hope to continue our momentum.  We've got something for everybody.
 whether you are an introvert who prefers working behind the scenes, or you're  an extrovert who wants to be right in the front lines, a spot on this great committee is waiting for you.

Call: 712-770-5197, and the access code is 265669.
 

Shannon KS. Cantan
Board Member | National Association of Blind Students
(808) 785-5186
ShannonCantan.NFB at gmail.com


From taylorarndt99 at gmail.com  Wed Sep  6 20:45:14 2017
From: taylorarndt99 at gmail.com (Taylor Arndt)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 16:45:14 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible online courses
In-Reply-To: <CAOiA0Sv5yjrN6aRtMnt5M0MUjAvm4QhB+xRkh0k5L=+Jr6O=0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOiA0Sv5yjrN6aRtMnt5M0MUjAvm4QhB+xRkh0k5L=+Jr6O=0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B6BED65B-4D6E-4F13-9DDB-8032DC3FC0C7@gmail.com>

I can help you with this I do courses on that platform all the time

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 6, 2017, at 4:17 PM, johnnie Jean duran via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I recently started taking an online psychology class as a high school
> elective. The class allows me to earn college credit. The class,
> unfortunately, is on an online platform called edgenuity.
> I started out by taking a pre-test, and I had no trouble navigating
> through it, but after that, it took me to a vocabulary lesson, easy
> enough right? But, it was an activity where you type the vocab word
> into a text box, and take your own personal note of the definition,
> which I did. However, after that, it wouldn't let me click next, with
> or without voiceover, so my classroom teacher read the
> words/definitions to me, then she moved me to the next lesson, it was
> a video lecture, separated into 9 different sections. I watched the
> first video, took notes, then I clicked next. A window popped up with
> a question, and as I was browsing through the multiple choice answers,
> the webpage crashed, and forced me to log back in. I tried about 4
> more times, using safari, chrome, and firefox, and it still keeps
> reloading the page. I can't get past that lecture without answering
> that question. I'm really agitated because I've been in this class for
> a little over a week, and haven't accomplished anything. What's my
> next option? Where do I go from here?
> Thanks,
> JJ
> 
> -- 
> Johnnie Jean Duran
> 
> Secretary
> 
> Colorado Association of Blind Students, a division of the National
> Federation of the Blind of Colorado
> http://www.nfbco.org
> 
> Grade 12
> 
> John F. Kennedy High School
> 
> Denver, Colorado
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/taylorarndt99%40gmail.com


From taylorarndt99 at gmail.com  Wed Sep  6 20:46:34 2017
From: taylorarndt99 at gmail.com (Taylor Arndt)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 16:46:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible online courses
In-Reply-To: <CAOiA0Sv5yjrN6aRtMnt5M0MUjAvm4QhB+xRkh0k5L=+Jr6O=0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOiA0Sv5yjrN6aRtMnt5M0MUjAvm4QhB+xRkh0k5L=+Jr6O=0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BAC0822-B55C-4892-9352-FCA681B5B289@gmail.com>

Vocab activities are pretty easy you have to listen to the audio before it will let you move on

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 6, 2017, at 4:17 PM, johnnie Jean duran via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I recently started taking an online psychology class as a high school
> elective. The class allows me to earn college credit. The class,
> unfortunately, is on an online platform called edgenuity.
> I started out by taking a pre-test, and I had no trouble navigating
> through it, but after that, it took me to a vocabulary lesson, easy
> enough right? But, it was an activity where you type the vocab word
> into a text box, and take your own personal note of the definition,
> which I did. However, after that, it wouldn't let me click next, with
> or without voiceover, so my classroom teacher read the
> words/definitions to me, then she moved me to the next lesson, it was
> a video lecture, separated into 9 different sections. I watched the
> first video, took notes, then I clicked next. A window popped up with
> a question, and as I was browsing through the multiple choice answers,
> the webpage crashed, and forced me to log back in. I tried about 4
> more times, using safari, chrome, and firefox, and it still keeps
> reloading the page. I can't get past that lecture without answering
> that question. I'm really agitated because I've been in this class for
> a little over a week, and haven't accomplished anything. What's my
> next option? Where do I go from here?
> Thanks,
> JJ
> 
> -- 
> Johnnie Jean Duran
> 
> Secretary
> 
> Colorado Association of Blind Students, a division of the National
> Federation of the Blind of Colorado
> http://www.nfbco.org
> 
> Grade 12
> 
> John F. Kennedy High School
> 
> Denver, Colorado
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/taylorarndt99%40gmail.com


From jldail13 at gmail.com  Wed Sep  6 20:59:05 2017
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2017 16:59:05 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Legislative Advocacy Committee Call
Message-ID: <59b06246.143a240a.42a16.70e2@mx.google.com>




From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Wed Sep  6 21:13:37 2017
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 17:13:37 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Legislative Advocacy Committee Call
In-Reply-To: <59b06246.143a240a.42a16.70e2@mx.google.com>
References: <59b06246.143a240a.42a16.70e2@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <06939D8C-C607-4E66-B634-8A6C23F489C3@gmail.com>

I would like to be on the team but can not make it to the call. 

Shikha. 

> On Sep 6, 2017, at 4:59 PM, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Sep  6 21:28:02 2017
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 17:28:02 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] SPSS Statistics Software
In-Reply-To: <2a5ee182-60ec-dc27-f310-3454a1d9b988@gmail.com>
References: <CAFKMa7EuoYR1AfaGKV-nFjqBXv=4a4_Bc8CcpEEQK-LFk8pS3w@mail.gmail.com><d30b7696-2978-c994-2089-5843e13e6179@gmail.com><F037595D-B88C-42C2-B3B0-B6C4069C0BBB@nfbtx.org><59ae1992.0734370a.b1c28.3815SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
	<2a5ee182-60ec-dc27-f310-3454a1d9b988@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6A7B568A15624B558B894C6202147AD9@OwnerPC>

Is this program free or have a free trial?

-----Original Message----- 
From: Keri Svendsen via NABS-L
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 11:38 PM
To: Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L
Cc: Keri Svendsen
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SPSS Statistics Software

r. is a stats program much like spss and all the other things. R. is
used by blind and sighted people alike, and is more popular than many
realize.



On 9/4/2017 11:26 PM, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L wrote:
> Harry,
>
> What is R? Do you mean readers?
> Car
> At 08:17 PM 9/4/2017, you wrote:
>> I also use R.
>>
>> Harry Staley
>> (330) 718-1876
>> Staleyh at gmail.com
>>
>> > On Sep 3, 2017, at 22:21, Keri Svendsen via NABS-L
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > I use R myself for a stats package, and its accessible. I'd see if
>> you can just use that instead.
>> >
>> >
>> >> On 9/3/2017 9:42 PM, Kenia Flores via NABS-L wrote:
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >> My Political Analysis class is using a statistical software called
>> >> SPSS. It has not been accessible with JAWS so far. Have any of you
>> had
>> >> any success with it? Do certain settings need to be configured in
>> >> order for it to work with JAWS? Thank you for any and all
>> suggestions.
>> >>
>> >> Best,
>> >> Kenia Flores
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> NABS-L mailing list
>> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>> for NABS-L:
>> >>
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>> >
>> > --
>> > Keri Svendsen
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > NABS-L mailing list
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>> >
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>
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From keribcu at gmail.com  Thu Sep  7 11:10:35 2017
From: keribcu at gmail.com (Keri Svendsen)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 07:10:35 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] SPSS Statistics Software
In-Reply-To: <6A7B568A15624B558B894C6202147AD9@OwnerPC>
References: <CAFKMa7EuoYR1AfaGKV-nFjqBXv=4a4_Bc8CcpEEQK-LFk8pS3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<d30b7696-2978-c994-2089-5843e13e6179@gmail.com>
	<F037595D-B88C-42C2-B3B0-B6C4069C0BBB@nfbtx.org>
	<59ae1992.0734370a.b1c28.3815SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
	<2a5ee182-60ec-dc27-f310-3454a1d9b988@gmail.com>
	<6A7B568A15624B558B894C6202147AD9@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <48f844e2-0580-cc66-b3da-b5313697dfc3@gmail.com>

R is free.


On 9/6/2017 5:28 PM, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L wrote:
> Is this program free or have a free trial?
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Keri Svendsen via NABS-L
> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 11:38 PM
> To: Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L
> Cc: Keri Svendsen
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SPSS Statistics Software
>
> r. is a stats program much like spss and all the other things. R. is
> used by blind and sighted people alike, and is more popular than many
> realize.
>
>
>
> On 9/4/2017 11:26 PM, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L wrote:
>> Harry,
>>
>> What is R? Do you mean readers?
>> Car
>> At 08:17 PM 9/4/2017, you wrote:
>>> I also use R.
>>>
>>> Harry Staley
>>> (330) 718-1876
>>> Staleyh at gmail.com
>>>
>>> > On Sep 3, 2017, at 22:21, Keri Svendsen via NABS-L
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I use R myself for a stats package, and its accessible. I'd see if
>>> you can just use that instead.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> On 9/3/2017 9:42 PM, Kenia Flores via NABS-L wrote:
>>> >> Hi all,
>>> >>
>>> >> My Political Analysis class is using a statistical software called
>>> >> SPSS. It has not been accessible with JAWS so far. Have any of you
>>> had
>>> >> any success with it? Do certain settings need to be configured in
>>> >> order for it to work with JAWS? Thank you for any and all
>>> suggestions.
>>> >>
>>> >> Best,
>>> >> Kenia Flores
>>> >>
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> NABS-L mailing list
>>> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>> for NABS-L:
>>> >>
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>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Keri Svendsen
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
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>>> >
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>>
>>
>>
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-- 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Thu Sep  7 12:20:53 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 08:20:53 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] SPSS Statistics Software
In-Reply-To: <48f844e2-0580-cc66-b3da-b5313697dfc3@gmail.com>
References: <CAFKMa7EuoYR1AfaGKV-nFjqBXv=4a4_Bc8CcpEEQK-LFk8pS3w@mail.gmail.com>	<d30b7696-2978-c994-2089-5843e13e6179@gmail.com>	<F037595D-B88C-42C2-B3B0-B6C4069C0BBB@nfbtx.org>	<59ae1992.0734370a.b1c28.3815SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>	<2a5ee182-60ec-dc27-f310-3454a1d9b988@gmail.com>	<6A7B568A15624B558B894C6202147AD9@OwnerPC>
	<48f844e2-0580-cc66-b3da-b5313697dfc3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <017901d327d3$c0f85800$42e90800$@gmail.com>

I think the other package is sass, something like that.  Arielle, a member
of the NFB who used it tole me about it.  However, use R if you can.
 Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Keri Svendsen
via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 7:11 AM
To: Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Keri Svendsen <keribcu at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SPSS Statistics Software

R is free.


On 9/6/2017 5:28 PM, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L wrote:
> Is this program free or have a free trial?
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Keri Svendsen via NABS-L
> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 11:38 PM
> To: Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L
> Cc: Keri Svendsen
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SPSS Statistics Software
>
> r. is a stats program much like spss and all the other things. R. is 
> used by blind and sighted people alike, and is more popular than many 
> realize.
>
>
>
> On 9/4/2017 11:26 PM, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L wrote:
>> Harry,
>>
>> What is R? Do you mean readers?
>> Car
>> At 08:17 PM 9/4/2017, you wrote:
>>> I also use R.
>>>
>>> Harry Staley
>>> (330) 718-1876
>>> Staleyh at gmail.com
>>>
>>> > On Sep 3, 2017, at 22:21, Keri Svendsen via NABS-L
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I use R myself for a stats package, and its accessible. I'd see if
>>> you can just use that instead.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> On 9/3/2017 9:42 PM, Kenia Flores via NABS-L wrote:
>>> >> Hi all,
>>> >>
>>> >> My Political Analysis class is using a statistical software 
>>> >> called SPSS. It has not been accessible with JAWS so far. Have 
>>> >> any of you
>>> had
>>> >> any success with it? Do certain settings need to be configured in 
>>> >> order for it to work with JAWS? Thank you for any and all
>>> suggestions.
>>> >>
>>> >> Best,
>>> >> Kenia Flores
>>> >>
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> NABS-L mailing list
>>> >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>> for NABS-L:
>>> >>
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/keribcu%40gmail.
>>> com
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Keri Svendsen
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
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>>>
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>>
>>
>>
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Sep  7 12:57:45 2017
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 08:57:45 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible online courses
In-Reply-To: <CAOiA0Sv5yjrN6aRtMnt5M0MUjAvm4QhB+xRkh0k5L=+Jr6O=0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOiA0Sv5yjrN6aRtMnt5M0MUjAvm4QhB+xRkh0k5L=+Jr6O=0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4FEA9D81-7D38-4E10-903A-51A187729027@gmail.com>

I used Canvas and it worked for me 

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 6, 2017, at 4:17 PM, johnnie Jean duran via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I recently started taking an online psychology class as a high school
> elective. The class allows me to earn college credit. The class,
> unfortunately, is on an online platform called edgenuity.
> I started out by taking a pre-test, and I had no trouble navigating
> through it, but after that, it took me to a vocabulary lesson, easy
> enough right? But, it was an activity where you type the vocab word
> into a text box, and take your own personal note of the definition,
> which I did. However, after that, it wouldn't let me click next, with
> or without voiceover, so my classroom teacher read the
> words/definitions to me, then she moved me to the next lesson, it was
> a video lecture, separated into 9 different sections. I watched the
> first video, took notes, then I clicked next. A window popped up with
> a question, and as I was browsing through the multiple choice answers,
> the webpage crashed, and forced me to log back in. I tried about 4
> more times, using safari, chrome, and firefox, and it still keeps
> reloading the page. I can't get past that lecture without answering
> that question. I'm really agitated because I've been in this class for
> a little over a week, and haven't accomplished anything. What's my
> next option? Where do I go from here?
> Thanks,
> JJ
> 
> -- 
> Johnnie Jean Duran
> 
> Secretary
> 
> Colorado Association of Blind Students, a division of the National
> Federation of the Blind of Colorado
> http://www.nfbco.org
> 
> Grade 12
> 
> John F. Kennedy High School
> 
> Denver, Colorado
> 
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From rob.parso3389 at gmail.com  Thu Sep  7 16:59:22 2017
From: rob.parso3389 at gmail.com (Robert Parsons)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 12:59:22 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] VABS Conference Call: Win a Virtual Door Prize
Message-ID: <006201d327fa$a7ca32f0$f75e98d0$@gmail.com>

Howdy NABS

 

Today is the day!! That's right, tonight is the September 2017 Virginia
Association of Blind Students' monthly conference call. Yes, at 7pm, we will
come together, get on the phone, and begin to engage in some amazing
dialogue about a lot of upcoming events. Below is the breakdown of the call:

 

7pm: Conference Call Begins

7:05: Role Call/Treasurer's Report

7:15: NFBV State Scholarship Guest Speaker: Brian Miller (Chair)

7:30pm: Fundraising

7:45: Convention Details

 

This is where it gets interesting. This month, I want to guarantee we get as
much feedback as possible. So, I am going to throw in a door prize. For the
10th caller, I will donate a ticket on behalf of VABS for our Amazon Tap
Bluetooth speaker that we are raffling off on October 7. This caller must be
here until the end of the call and must participate. Below is the conference
call info:

 

P: 641 715 3655

Access: 568305

 

Best  

 

 

Robert E. Parsons Jr.

President, Richmond Chapter

President, Virginia Association of Blind Students

National Federation of the Blind of Virginia

Randolph Macon College '18 

Phone: 804 801 7674

"Without struggle, there is no progress." -Frederick Douglass

 


From rob.parso3389 at gmail.com  Thu Sep  7 16:59:22 2017
From: rob.parso3389 at gmail.com (Robert Parsons)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 12:59:22 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] VABS Conference Call: Win a Virtual Door Prize
Message-ID: <006201d327fa$a7ca32f0$f75e98d0$@gmail.com>

Howdy NABS

 

Today is the day!! That's right, tonight is the September 2017 Virginia
Association of Blind Students' monthly conference call. Yes, at 7pm, we will
come together, get on the phone, and begin to engage in some amazing
dialogue about a lot of upcoming events. Below is the breakdown of the call:

 

7pm: Conference Call Begins

7:05: Role Call/Treasurer's Report

7:15: NFBV State Scholarship Guest Speaker: Brian Miller (Chair)

7:30pm: Fundraising

7:45: Convention Details

 

This is where it gets interesting. This month, I want to guarantee we get as
much feedback as possible. So, I am going to throw in a door prize. For the
10th caller, I will donate a ticket on behalf of VABS for our Amazon Tap
Bluetooth speaker that we are raffling off on October 7. This caller must be
here until the end of the call and must participate. Below is the conference
call info:

 

P: 641 715 3655

Access: 568305

 

Best  

 

 

Robert E. Parsons Jr.

President, Richmond Chapter

President, Virginia Association of Blind Students

National Federation of the Blind of Virginia

Randolph Macon College '18 

Phone: 804 801 7674

"Without struggle, there is no progress." -Frederick Douglass

 


From alliefa1999 at gmail.com  Thu Sep  7 17:07:05 2017
From: alliefa1999 at gmail.com (Alexandra Alfonso)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 13:07:05 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Maryland Call
Message-ID: <CAO84cXrbQe22s0wMPEtJF39M58qFZ0sB4FJ+cPxu5RK53xAKTg@mail.gmail.com>

Does Maryland have a monthly conference call?


From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Fri Sep  8 01:00:37 2017
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 21:00:37 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Maryland Call
In-Reply-To: <CAO84cXrbQe22s0wMPEtJF39M58qFZ0sB4FJ+cPxu5RK53xAKTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO84cXrbQe22s0wMPEtJF39M58qFZ0sB4FJ+cPxu5RK53xAKTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A30B2C15-340B-4A65-AD31-D66F7EA7379E@gmail.com>

Alexandra:

I'm so excited to read of your interest in the Maryland student division! Currently we don't have a monthly membership call aside from our Board meetings (which you are welcome to observe.) However, this is a project we are starting to work on, and we would love to hear your ideas. Please call me at (443) 547-2409 or email me at cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com so we can chat more about MDABS and how you can get involved!

Best,

Chris Nusbaum, President
Maryland Association of Blind Students

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 7, 2017, at 1:07 PM, Alexandra Alfonso via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Does Maryland have a monthly conference call?
> 
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From personal.edward at gmail.com  Sat Sep  9 02:54:21 2017
From: personal.edward at gmail.com (Edward Shaham)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 22:54:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] I'm looking for a specific graphing tool,
 but I forgot what it's called
Message-ID: <004601d32916$f252fa60$d6f8ef20$@gmail.com>

Hello Students,

I will attempt to describe what the tool looks like, and hopefully someone
can tell me what it's called so I can order it.

 

It is a wooden board, that has a window screen material glued on to it. You
place a regular piece of paper on to the board, and use a pen or pencil to
draw a graph. When you take the paper off the board and flip the paper over,
you can feel what was drawn. I used to have one, but I cannot find it
anywhere. I desperately need to figure out the name so I can order one. I
will be using the device for my macroeconomics and statistics courses. If
anyone knows the name of what I am referring to, please let me know.

 

Thanks,

Edward

 

 


From sandragayer7 at gmail.com  Sat Sep  9 09:38:06 2017
From: sandragayer7 at gmail.com (Sandra Gayer)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 10:38:06 +0100
Subject: [nabs-l] I'm looking for a specific graphing tool,
 but I forgot what it's called
In-Reply-To: <004601d32916$f252fa60$d6f8ef20$@gmail.com>
References: <004601d32916$f252fa60$d6f8ef20$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJcYH68CueocncTYfmy_W3tJmh6Xdzm=Njwj5Vjp3BwzKJCw1g@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Edward,
I suspect the board is a cork board although I do not know the
official name for it. The type of paper you are looking for is called
German Film. A rubber gelly mat under the paper would work as well as
any cork board. However, if the cork board had graph lines on it, I
don't know what to suggest for that.

I hope some of this helps you.
Very best wishes,

Sandra.

On 9/9/17, Edward Shaham via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Students,
>
> I will attempt to describe what the tool looks like, and hopefully someone
> can tell me what it's called so I can order it.
>
>
>
> It is a wooden board, that has a window screen material glued on to it. You
> place a regular piece of paper on to the board, and use a pen or pencil to
> draw a graph. When you take the paper off the board and flip the paper
> over,
> you can feel what was drawn. I used to have one, but I cannot find it
> anywhere. I desperately need to figure out the name so I can order one. I
> will be using the device for my macroeconomics and statistics courses. If
> anyone knows the name of what I am referring to, please let me know.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Edward
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From gpaikens at gmail.com  Sat Sep  9 14:22:48 2017
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 10:22:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] I'm looking for a specific graphing tool,
 but I forgot what it's called
In-Reply-To: <CAJcYH68CueocncTYfmy_W3tJmh6Xdzm=Njwj5Vjp3BwzKJCw1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004601d32916$f252fa60$d6f8ef20$@gmail.com>
	<CAJcYH68CueocncTYfmy_W3tJmh6Xdzm=Njwj5Vjp3BwzKJCw1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8DE9CA12-81B6-4C8A-A4ED-488F5B52B6E2@gmail.com>

I always call those a screen board and I always made my own. There may be someone who sells them but you could go down to the hardware store and get some metal window screen, a clipboard or some other type of cheap, flat board, and some duct tape and make your own for less than $10, $15 at the Max. I used a crayon to write on regular paper but did not need to flip the paper over to read what I had drawn. On second thought, maybe we are describing different tools.

There is the sensational blackboard which uses regular paper and a pen or pencil. It is a thin rubber surface glued to a hard plastic board. Again, you do not have to flip it.
Well, maybe this helped…

Best,
Greg

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 9, 2017, at 5:38 AM, Sandra Gayer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Edward,
> I suspect the board is a cork board although I do not know the
> official name for it. The type of paper you are looking for is called
> German Film. A rubber gelly mat under the paper would work as well as
> any cork board. However, if the cork board had graph lines on it, I
> don't know what to suggest for that.
> 
> I hope some of this helps you.
> Very best wishes,
> 
> Sandra.
> 
>> On 9/9/17, Edward Shaham via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello Students,
>> 
>> I will attempt to describe what the tool looks like, and hopefully someone
>> can tell me what it's called so I can order it.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It is a wooden board, that has a window screen material glued on to it. You
>> place a regular piece of paper on to the board, and use a pen or pencil to
>> draw a graph. When you take the paper off the board and flip the paper
>> over,
>> you can feel what was drawn. I used to have one, but I cannot find it
>> anywhere. I desperately need to figure out the name so I can order one. I
>> will be using the device for my macroeconomics and statistics courses. If
>> anyone knows the name of what I am referring to, please let me know.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Edward
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gmail.com
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Soprano Singer
> www.sandragayer.com
> 
> Broadcast Presenter
> 
> www.rnibconnectradio.org.uk/music-box.html
> 
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From herekittykat97 at gmail.com  Sat Sep  9 14:37:28 2017
From: herekittykat97 at gmail.com (Jewel)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 10:37:28 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] I'm looking for a specific graphing tool,
 but I forgot what it's called
In-Reply-To: <8DE9CA12-81B6-4C8A-A4ED-488F5B52B6E2@gmail.com>
References: <004601d32916$f252fa60$d6f8ef20$@gmail.com>
	<CAJcYH68CueocncTYfmy_W3tJmh6Xdzm=Njwj5Vjp3BwzKJCw1g@mail.gmail.com>
	<8DE9CA12-81B6-4C8A-A4ED-488F5B52B6E2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5532F3DA-702E-41A0-8428-AE5346FD3B4A@gmail.com>

What you were looking for is a raise line drawing board. You can find it on the braille superstore or on Amazon for about $15.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 9, 2017, at 10:22 AM, Greg Aikens via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I always call those a screen board and I always made my own. There may be someone who sells them but you could go down to the hardware store and get some metal window screen, a clipboard or some other type of cheap, flat board, and some duct tape and make your own for less than $10, $15 at the Max. I used a crayon to write on regular paper but did not need to flip the paper over to read what I had drawn. On second thought, maybe we are describing different tools.
> 
> There is the sensational blackboard which uses regular paper and a pen or pencil. It is a thin rubber surface glued to a hard plastic board. Again, you do not have to flip it.
> Well, maybe this helped…
> 
> Best,
> Greg
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 9, 2017, at 5:38 AM, Sandra Gayer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Edward,
>> I suspect the board is a cork board although I do not know the
>> official name for it. The type of paper you are looking for is called
>> German Film. A rubber gelly mat under the paper would work as well as
>> any cork board. However, if the cork board had graph lines on it, I
>> don't know what to suggest for that.
>> 
>> I hope some of this helps you.
>> Very best wishes,
>> 
>> Sandra.
>> 
>>> On 9/9/17, Edward Shaham via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hello Students,
>>> 
>>> I will attempt to describe what the tool looks like, and hopefully someone
>>> can tell me what it's called so I can order it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It is a wooden board, that has a window screen material glued on to it. You
>>> place a regular piece of paper on to the board, and use a pen or pencil to
>>> draw a graph. When you take the paper off the board and flip the paper
>>> over,
>>> you can feel what was drawn. I used to have one, but I cannot find it
>>> anywhere. I desperately need to figure out the name so I can order one. I
>>> will be using the device for my macroeconomics and statistics courses. If
>>> anyone knows the name of what I am referring to, please let me know.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Edward
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> NABS-L:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gmail.com
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Soprano Singer
>> www.sandragayer.com
>> 
>> Broadcast Presenter
>> 
>> www.rnibconnectradio.org.uk/music-box.html
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
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From luke.schwinck at hotmail.com  Sat Sep  9 15:20:59 2017
From: luke.schwinck at hotmail.com (luke schwinck)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 15:20:59 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Event planning committee meeting
Message-ID: <CY4PR2201MB1031787C750A94F1BF36D67CF66A0@CY4PR2201MB1031.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Hey all,

Are you disappointed that you couldn't make the last NABS event planning committee meeting?  No need to worry because there is another one coming up this Thursday at 9pm eastern. Last month we had an awesome call and have begun working on some of the great ideas that were discussed. With your help we will be able to continue bringing this wonderful ideas to fruition. 

The number to call is (712) 770-5197 pin 265669. 

As always if you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask. 

Best regards,
Luke A. Schwinck
Chair | NABS Event Planning Committee
luke.schwinck at hotmail.com


From personal.edward at gmail.com  Sat Sep  9 16:59:04 2017
From: personal.edward at gmail.com (Edward Shaham)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 12:59:04 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] I'm looking for a specific graphing tool,
 but I forgot what it's called
In-Reply-To: <5532F3DA-702E-41A0-8428-AE5346FD3B4A@gmail.com>
References: <004601d32916$f252fa60$d6f8ef20$@gmail.com>
	<CAJcYH68CueocncTYfmy_W3tJmh6Xdzm=Njwj5Vjp3BwzKJCw1g@mail.gmail.com>
	<8DE9CA12-81B6-4C8A-A4ED-488F5B52B6E2@gmail.com>
	<5532F3DA-702E-41A0-8428-AE5346FD3B4A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00ce01d3298c$f1e0acf0$d5a206d0$@gmail.com>


Thank you, I believe that is what it's called. I will check it out on amazon right now.

Thanks again.
Edward

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jewel via NABS-L
Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 10:37 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Jewel
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] I'm looking for a specific graphing tool, but I forgot what it's called

What you were looking for is a raise line drawing board. You can find it on the braille superstore or on Amazon for about $15.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 9, 2017, at 10:22 AM, Greg Aikens via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I always call those a screen board and I always made my own. There may be someone who sells them but you could go down to the hardware store and get some metal window screen, a clipboard or some other type of cheap, flat board, and some duct tape and make your own for less than $10, $15 at the Max. I used a crayon to write on regular paper but did not need to flip the paper over to read what I had drawn. On second thought, maybe we are describing different tools.
> 
> There is the sensational blackboard which uses regular paper and a pen or pencil. It is a thin rubber surface glued to a hard plastic board. Again, you do not have to flip it.
> Well, maybe this helped…
> 
> Best,
> Greg
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 9, 2017, at 5:38 AM, Sandra Gayer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Edward,
>> I suspect the board is a cork board although I do not know the
>> official name for it. The type of paper you are looking for is called
>> German Film. A rubber gelly mat under the paper would work as well as
>> any cork board. However, if the cork board had graph lines on it, I
>> don't know what to suggest for that.
>> 
>> I hope some of this helps you.
>> Very best wishes,
>> 
>> Sandra.
>> 
>>> On 9/9/17, Edward Shaham via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hello Students,
>>> 
>>> I will attempt to describe what the tool looks like, and hopefully someone
>>> can tell me what it's called so I can order it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It is a wooden board, that has a window screen material glued on to it. You
>>> place a regular piece of paper on to the board, and use a pen or pencil to
>>> draw a graph. When you take the paper off the board and flip the paper
>>> over,
>>> you can feel what was drawn. I used to have one, but I cannot find it
>>> anywhere. I desperately need to figure out the name so I can order one. I
>>> will be using the device for my macroeconomics and statistics courses. If
>>> anyone knows the name of what I am referring to, please let me know.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Edward
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> NABS-L:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gmail.com
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Soprano Singer
>> www.sandragayer.com
>> 
>> Broadcast Presenter
>> 
>> www.rnibconnectradio.org.uk/music-box.html
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
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From personal.edward at gmail.com  Sat Sep  9 17:02:29 2017
From: personal.edward at gmail.com (Edward Shaham)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 13:02:29 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] I'm looking for a specific graphing tool,
 but I forgot what it's called
In-Reply-To: <8DE9CA12-81B6-4C8A-A4ED-488F5B52B6E2@gmail.com>
References: <004601d32916$f252fa60$d6f8ef20$@gmail.com>
	<CAJcYH68CueocncTYfmy_W3tJmh6Xdzm=Njwj5Vjp3BwzKJCw1g@mail.gmail.com>
	<8DE9CA12-81B6-4C8A-A4ED-488F5B52B6E2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00d001d3298d$6bd009c0$43701d40$@gmail.com>

Thank you Greg. I am going to take a look at the sensational blackboard. I also found another product that looks promising that's made by intact products.

Thanks,
Edward
 

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg Aikens via NABS-L
Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 10:23 AM
To: sandragayer7 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Greg Aikens
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] I'm looking for a specific graphing tool, but I forgot what it's called

I always call those a screen board and I always made my own. There may be someone who sells them but you could go down to the hardware store and get some metal window screen, a clipboard or some other type of cheap, flat board, and some duct tape and make your own for less than $10, $15 at the Max. I used a crayon to write on regular paper but did not need to flip the paper over to read what I had drawn. On second thought, maybe we are describing different tools.

There is the sensational blackboard which uses regular paper and a pen or pencil. It is a thin rubber surface glued to a hard plastic board. Again, you do not have to flip it.
Well, maybe this helped…

Best,
Greg

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 9, 2017, at 5:38 AM, Sandra Gayer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Edward,
> I suspect the board is a cork board although I do not know the 
> official name for it. The type of paper you are looking for is called 
> German Film. A rubber gelly mat under the paper would work as well as 
> any cork board. However, if the cork board had graph lines on it, I 
> don't know what to suggest for that.
> 
> I hope some of this helps you.
> Very best wishes,
> 
> Sandra.
> 
>> On 9/9/17, Edward Shaham via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello Students,
>> 
>> I will attempt to describe what the tool looks like, and hopefully 
>> someone can tell me what it's called so I can order it.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It is a wooden board, that has a window screen material glued on to 
>> it. You place a regular piece of paper on to the board, and use a pen 
>> or pencil to draw a graph. When you take the paper off the board and 
>> flip the paper over, you can feel what was drawn. I used to have one, 
>> but I cannot find it anywhere. I desperately need to figure out the 
>> name so I can order one. I will be using the device for my 
>> macroeconomics and statistics courses. If anyone knows the name of 
>> what I am referring to, please let me know.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Edward
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gm
>> ail.com
>> 
> 
> 
> --
> Soprano Singer
> www.sandragayer.com
> 
> Broadcast Presenter
> 
> www.rnibconnectradio.org.uk/music-box.html
> 
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From rob.parso3389 at gmail.com  Sat Sep  9 19:28:27 2017
From: rob.parso3389 at gmail.com (Robert Parsons)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 15:28:27 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] VABS Conference Call Notes and Updates
Message-ID: <005a01d329a1$cfe10360$6fa30a20$@gmail.com>

Greetings NABS

 

Here is an update about what was missed for the students that did not call
in for the VABS September Conference Call. We had an exciting and very
engaged call that touched on a variety of different issues. I will fill you
in on the most important ones:

 

1.	Our next VABS event is Saturday, October 7, 2017. This is the "Bowl
with the Blind" event that commemorates and kicks off the National
Federation of the Blind of Virginia's weekend events in October for National
Meet the Blind Month. The event will take place in Virginia Beach, VA and
the full address is at the bottom of this message. 
2.	For our "Bowl with the Blind" activity, we will have a raffle for a
chance to win an Amazon Tap, complete with Bluetooth and Alexa. This Amazon
Tap is a battery-capable version of the Amazon Echo. The price of tickets is
$5 each and we will pull the winning ticket at the end of the event. All
members of the Alexandria, Fairfax, Potomac, and Richmond chapters will have
a chance to buy tickets for this raffle at their respective chapter meetings
in September. This affords members the opportunity to buy a ticket if they
do not plan to attend the event for some reason. 
3.	It is time to begin preparing for the National Federation of the
Blind of Virginia's 59th State Convention. The convention is from Friday,
November 3 until Sunday, November 5. The convention will take place in
Falls, Church, VA at the Westin Tysons Corner.  VABS will have programming
all three days of this event.
4.	The official VABS fundraising item at convention will be customized
NFBV bracelets. These bracelets are brailed with the quotes "NFBV17" or
"VABS17." They will be sold for a price of $5 each. Unlike last year or the
years before, VABS will not have a table at exhibit hall. These items will
be sold in the halls by members at convention. I will start a forum in the
future to see who will assist Naim and Marc on the fundraising efforts. 
5.	Our programming on Friday will consist of the VABS Membership
Social, complete with a dace-themed party atmosphere and official membership
registrations. Keep in mind, dues to join VABS are $5 per year and there
will be ice breakers and games. This event will run from 8pm-10pm. On
Saturday, November 4, our annual business meeting and luncheon will begin at
12pm. Remember, all students that are attending will pay $7 for the pizza
lunch we are providing. if you do not want pizza, you are welcomed to
purchase a boxed lunch that the affiliate is selling. Also, your dues that
are paid on Friday gives you the right and opportunity to vote and run in
our elections which will be at the end of the business meeting.  On Saturday
at 1:30, we will have a series of 30-minute breakout sessions, including
panel discussion and open forums. We will have national and state guest's
speakers and you will be enlightened with knowledge that will be at our
disposal. Finally, on Sunday, November 5, VABS and the Virginia Association
of Parents of Blind Children will present the 2017 Youth Track. This year's
Youth Track will be a self-defense class for members of both divisions. Mr.
Wilson Olivera and students from the Full Circle Integrated Martial Arts
School will be joining us for some lessons in practical self-defense. This
session will run from 9:30AM-11:30AM. 

That is all we have spoken about at this conference call and I hope that
this information assists in keeping you updated. Stay tuned for more VABS
updates and have a great weekend.

 

VABS Bowl with the Blind Location

 

Pin Boys at the Beach

1577 Laskin Rd.

Virginia Beach, VA 23451

 

Sincerely 

 

 

Robert E. Parsons Jr.

President, Richmond Chapter

President, Virginia Association of Blind Students

National Federation of the Blind of Virginia

Randolph Macon College '18 

Phone: 804 801 7674

"Without struggle, there is no progress." -Frederick Douglass

 


From discoduck221 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 10 18:36:15 2017
From: discoduck221 at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 14:36:15 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] The Last Djd Invasion Ever To Air On KJSC Radio Takes
 Place Tonight
Message-ID: <CA+Wnc9RiusGhPvHdujK+QrmYpnrrhF3+yQnn36hP0RLRnQc1CQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everyone!
Join me on KJSC Radio for what will be the last show I ever do on that
station, starting at 8 PM eastern tonight.
Before going any further, there are no hard feelings between me or
anyone on that staff. Quite the contrary in fact. But times are
changing, old chapters are ending, and new ones are beginning, and not
just for me, but by others involved with the station, too!
This evening's special program will include:
Fun and upbeat music
A look at my graduation from the Colorado Center For The Blind
As the subject of this post would suggest, this is the end of an era
for me in broadcasting. What does the future hold? What's next on my
journey?
You'll learn all about that during tonight's show. One thing is
certain; this is the end of the KJSC Radio era for both me and others.
More to come tonight!
It's going to be a very musically fun, very informative radio program,
and one you won't want to miss for sure!
During the show, you can get in touch with me to make requests, say
hello, or whatever via skype at
kjsc.radio
Via twitter at
kjscradio
Via telephone (standard rates apply) by calling
602-399-7279
And, the live real time request system is back. So you can search my
music library in real time and have your requests sent to me instantly
once again. From the time you see this message all the way til the end
of the show, you can search my library for songs you want to hear at
http://djdrocks.online/requests

So to tune in to tonight's show, you can
1. Get the TuneIn Radio app on your droid or IPhone and search for KJSC Radio
2. Listen in from any computer at
http://onj.me/kjscradio
3. Visit the special listen page Jonathan Candler created at
http://kjscradio.com/classic/radio.php
4. you can put the following url into your favorite media player of choice:
http://kjscradio.com:8000/stream.mp3
5. Or, you can download a playlist file that will automatically play
the stream in yourr favorite media player on the computer once you
click on it. The download linnk for this file can be found at
https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/oiu043

Regardless of how you tune in, I hope you'll be there, as one door
closes, and another one opens in this exciting internet radio journey
I've been on for the last 18 plus years.
I look foerward to your company and to some fun tonight!
All the best,
David Dunphy


From personal.edward at gmail.com  Mon Sep 11 18:04:48 2017
From: personal.edward at gmail.com (Edward Shaham)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 14:04:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fundraising call tonight at 9pm
Message-ID: <002401d32b28$75e36780$61aa3680$@gmail.com>

Hello students,

The fundraising committee is holding our monthly conference call tonight at
9pm. We have many exciting projects that we are going to discuss in detail
on tonight's call, and we want input from as many students as possible.
Please call 712-770-5197 and use Code 265669 

See you tonight!

Edward Shaham

Committee Co-Chair

 


From syedrizvinfb at gmail.com  Mon Sep 11 19:46:09 2017
From: syedrizvinfb at gmail.com (Syed Rizvi)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 14:46:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Legislative Advocacy Call tomorrow Night
Message-ID: <D1AE52F7-9DFD-41AA-9E35-FF5145431844@gmail.com>

Howdy Yall,
Don't forget, our legislative advocacy committee call will be held tomorrow night. We will be discussing project launches and be recruiting advocates.
When: 8 PM Central 
Where: (712) 770-5197
Code: 265669 



From matthewhgip at gmail.com  Mon Sep 11 21:10:42 2017
From: matthewhgip at gmail.com (Matthew Gip)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 14:10:42 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Minnesota Membership Call
Message-ID: <709D44D3-0795-458F-80DE-406BCE651B90@gmail.com>

Hello students! 

Is technology an interest of yours? Do you want to hear ideas on how you can be successful in school? Would you like to hear input on what others think about technology? If you said yes to any of these questions, then this call is for you! Join the Minnesota Association of Blind Students next Sunday at 9 pm EST as we will host a technology membership call. We will be discussing ways on successfully using your gadgets so you can strive to succeed, innovative technology that you could possibly get, and more! You don't have to be in Minnesota to participate in this call; it can be anyone at all. We would love to hear your opinions and ideas so please don't hesitate to join us! 
Here is how you can call in: 
Call-in Number: (641) 715-3276
Access Code: 6326673 

Best regards, 
Matthew Gip 

1st Vice President, Minnesota Association of Blind Students

Sent from my iPhone

From misokwak12 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 12 18:53:41 2017
From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 11:53:41 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Non-visual techniques for caring for a fish tank - asking
 on behalf of a friend
Message-ID: <CAMe9x_F6u2XnEy4XdQP5E95fsycC_d0905x5naqYEmS5t_HMaQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
I am posting this question on behalf of a friend. The below message is
what she posted on a forum I am part of. Please reply here if you have
any tips for her and I will be sharing this with her.


"Does anybody happen to have tips on non-visual maintenance of
aquariums? I'm referring to things such as testing water acidity,
cleaning the tank (which includes transferring critters to a holding
facility until the job is done), and ensuring that the tank's
inhabitants remain healthy. I won't go into too much detail as to why
I, a total blindy with no light perception, would want to take on the
burden of caring for a fish tank whose aesthetic value lies mainly in
its visual appearance. Suffice it to say that it's a project for one
of my college classes that I hope to carry a little further. Yes, I
know fish are boring—they don't like it when you try to play with
them, and they aren't even furry for goodness sake! However, my
semester grade is highly dependent on the success of this project, and
any advice you guys may have would be greatly appreciated."


From carlymih at comcast.net  Tue Sep 12 20:31:14 2017
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 13:31:14 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] It is a job not an internship.Re: Experience working
 with youth with high-functioning intellectual disabilities and autism and
 going on outings with them as a totally blind individual
In-Reply-To: <047401d2a95d$a8e8fde0$fabaf9a0$@gmail.com>
References: <CAL57mpFfkTDQRqzx3-fwSc3DVkU_u9RxJk4EfLX8uSVTjy8GDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<03e301d2a8f8$59cba600$0d62f200$@gmail.com>
	<8F1B2615-101A-49F6-BEE3-5D6DE79E6033@gmail.com>
	<047401d2a95d$a8e8fde0$fabaf9a0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.322.1772982285.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>


Good afternoon, Justin,

be mindful of ocular blindness, which effects us all, being not that 
far of a cry from the population which U are slated to serve as part 
of an internship which, I think you said is  moderate Down's 
Syndrome? Remember, We're all social deviants (think not normal) so 
Don't be shy about trying on how it might feel to struggle in a same 
way as your clients, to sort of internalize  their life experience. 
Yes, we as blind people have been initiated to the Struggle and by 
now know it well, yet, it might deepen an appreciation  when the 
struggle of which I speak has many a unique, vantages that all are 
very different but nonetheless important to understand the social 
structure and how your clients' may be uniquely positioned to fulfill 
their roles within it.
Taking on the fraction of the struggle that is allotted to your 
Down's syndrome  clients, should deepen a relationship with your 
casework as well as personalize to a point of being palpable your 
clients' experience with filling a deviant role in society.)
Car

  you food for thought.
> > Justin
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amanda
> > Cape via NABS-L
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 9:39 PM
> > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > Cc: Amanda Cape <cape.amanda at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [nabs-l] Experience working with youth with high-functioning
> > intellectual disabilities and autism and going on outings with them as
> > a totally blind individual
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> > I am going for an interview tomorrow afternoon for a youth worker
> > position for a social skills program for youth ages 12-17 to work on
> > their social skills and improve their confidence. I believe that one
> > of the activities done by the youth workers is to take the group on
> > outings to practice their social skills. Has anyone done this before and
>what strategies did you use?
> > I am concerned about this task and feel that the employer might want
> > to know how I would manage this type of task. Any advice would be
> > greatly appreciated.
> > Thanks,
> > Amanda
> >
> > Amanda
> >
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Tue Sep 12 20:47:03 2017
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 13:47:03 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Experience working with youth with high-functioning
 intellectual disabilities and autism and going on outings with them as a
 totally blind individual
In-Reply-To: <03e301d2a8f8$59cba600$0d62f200$@gmail.com>
References: <CAL57mpFfkTDQRqzx3-fwSc3DVkU_u9RxJk4EfLX8uSVTjy8GDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<03e301d2a8f8$59cba600$0d62f200$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.323.1772982285.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Good afternoon, Amanda,

I expect that much of your knowing will happen, like everything once 
you place your hands around it, see how it works or doesn't work.
Don't be afraid to do what needs doing with your clients.. Perhaps, 
although they were saddled with an unfortunate diagnosis like Down's 
Syndrome somewhere along the way, there are always other 
intelligentces at play. Don't ignore those!
I wish you would try to celebrate and promote gifts your clients have 
and not that diagnosis with which the therapy people, somehhow saddled them.
Car


NABS-L
>Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 9:39 PM
>To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Cc: Amanda Cape <cape.amanda at gmail.com>
>Subject: [nabs-l] Experience working with youth with high-functioning
>intellectual disabilities and autism and going on outings with them as a
>totally blind individual
>
>Hi everyone,
>I am going for an interview tomorrow afternoon for a youth worker position
>for a social skills program for youth ages 12-17 to work on their social
>skills and improve their confidence. I believe that one of the activities
>done by the youth workers is to take the group on outings to practice their
>social skills. Has anyone done this before and what strategies did you use?
>I am concerned about this task and feel that the employer might want to know
>how I would manage this type of task. Any advice would be greatly
>appreciated.
>Thanks,
>Amanda
>
>Amanda
>
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Tue Sep 12 22:16:13 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 15:16:13 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Library Databases
Message-ID: <0D9D2905-CA95-4398-A90B-2A76031717B0@gmail.com>

Hi All,
One of my classes  is going to rely heavily on narrowing Internet search results down to reputable sources using databases and the library archives. I haven't had any experience with databases before.  In the past, and as a high school student, we were occasionally recommended to use them, but we could also just go online and find things with Google. The databases  which I will primarily be using are my school's library database and the MLA database. We are also allowed to look at old archived material from the older times, which is available in our library but which I am guessing would not be available electronically. I just wanted to ask you all what your experiences using databases have been. How much sighted help have you needed? Are you easily able to take something from a database and save it for later use?
Thanks,
Vejas

From truewise.8614 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 12 22:48:29 2017
From: truewise.8614 at gmail.com (Vanna Song)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 15:48:29 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Opportunity to Participate in Research and Earn a $100
 Gift Card
Message-ID: <CAOrr3bMF0xVTAmzOOBphms-UNgAnS-SR8yebNkdwrUiVfOzS-A@mail.gmail.com>

For those who may be interested.

Invitation to Participate in Research on Accessibility and Usability
of Two Digital Libraries – Using a Diary Are you legally blind and age
18 or older? Do you use computers non-visually by listening to a
screen-reader software? Do you have at least three years of experience
searching for information on the Internet? Are you comfortable
verbalizing your thoughts in English? If your response is yes to all,
you can earn $100 for participating in a research study. A research
team comprising blind and sighted scholars at the University of
Wisconsin-Milwaukee is investigating the accessibility and usability
of digital libraries (DLs) for users who are blind. The goal is to
create digital library design guidelines to design DLs that aid blind
and visually impaired people in the effective search for information
online. Volunteers selected as study participants will be instructed
to keep a diary for their interaction. Participants will complete a
diary based on a diary template as they search for specified
information in two digital libraries. The participants may complete
the diaries at a time convenient to the participant over the course of
two weeks. In addition, participants will be asked to complete several
questionnaires and a short follow up interview. The complete study
might take about 3.5 hours. Upon completion of the study, the
participant will receive a $100 gift card as a token of appreciation.
If you are interested in participating, or have a question about the
study, please contact Melissa Castillo (email: castil44 at uwm.edu).
Please reference project title: “Creating digital library design
guidelines on accessibility, usability and utility for blind and
visually impaired (BVI) users.” (IRB#:17.264) in the subject line of
the email. Please pass on this information to other suitable
candidates who you think may be interested.


From kenia.flores101 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 12 23:31:44 2017
From: kenia.flores101 at gmail.com (Kenia Flores)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 18:31:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Legislative Advocacy Committee Call Tonight
Message-ID: <CAFKMa7F-MVtvvq05vVMd_xSKwYX9SQQ94eQeU31tuQk0sOYjPA@mail.gmail.com>

Good evening, fellow students,

 Are you interested in advancing the legislative priorities of our
 movement? If so, please join the legislative advocacy committee for a
conference call tonight at 9pm EST, 8pm CST,. The call-in number is
 712-7705197, and the access code is 265669. We look forward to
speaking with you all tonight.

 Best,
Kenia Flores
 Co-Chair, National Association of Blind Students Legislative Advocacy Committee


From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Sep 12 23:41:56 2017
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 19:41:56 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Legislative Advocacy Committee Call Tonight
In-Reply-To: <CAFKMa7F-MVtvvq05vVMd_xSKwYX9SQQ94eQeU31tuQk0sOYjPA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFKMa7F-MVtvvq05vVMd_xSKwYX9SQQ94eQeU31tuQk0sOYjPA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C32A36295F7143DDB01F7C60F657B619@OwnerPC>

is this open to anyone or just nabs and/or the committee?

-----Original Message----- 
From: Kenia Flores via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 7:31 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Kenia Flores
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Legislative Advocacy Committee Call Tonight

Good evening, fellow students,

Are you interested in advancing the legislative priorities of our
movement? If so, please join the legislative advocacy committee for a
conference call tonight at 9pm EST, 8pm CST,. The call-in number is
712-7705197, and the access code is 265669. We look forward to
speaking with you all tonight.

Best,
Kenia Flores
Co-Chair, National Association of Blind Students Legislative Advocacy 
Committee

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From jfranks at nfbtx.org  Wed Sep 13 00:51:59 2017
From: jfranks at nfbtx.org (Jonathan Franks)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 19:51:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Legislative Advocacy Committee Call Tonight
In-Reply-To: <C32A36295F7143DDB01F7C60F657B619@OwnerPC>
References: <CAFKMa7F-MVtvvq05vVMd_xSKwYX9SQQ94eQeU31tuQk0sOYjPA@mail.gmail.com>
	<C32A36295F7143DDB01F7C60F657B619@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <7963918B-AE1C-4F6E-8DC9-35EB44FEC629@nfbtx.org>

Hello Ashley, 
Call is open to all students

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2017, at 6:41 PM, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> is this open to anyone or just nabs and/or the committee?
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Kenia Flores via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 7:31 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Kenia Flores
> Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Legislative Advocacy Committee Call Tonight
> 
> Good evening, fellow students,
> 
> Are you interested in advancing the legislative priorities of our
> movement? If so, please join the legislative advocacy committee for a
> conference call tonight at 9pm EST, 8pm CST,. The call-in number is
> 712-7705197, and the access code is 265669. We look forward to
> speaking with you all tonight.
> 
> Best,
> Kenia Flores
> Co-Chair, National Association of Blind Students Legislative Advocacy Committee
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
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> 
> _______________________________________________
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From kerrik2006 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 13 01:00:06 2017
From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 01:00:06 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Legislative Advocacy Committee Call Tonight
In-Reply-To: <7963918B-AE1C-4F6E-8DC9-35EB44FEC629@nfbtx.org>
References: <CAFKMa7F-MVtvvq05vVMd_xSKwYX9SQQ94eQeU31tuQk0sOYjPA@mail.gmail.com>
	<C32A36295F7143DDB01F7C60F657B619@OwnerPC>
	<7963918B-AE1C-4F6E-8DC9-35EB44FEC629@nfbtx.org>
Message-ID: <CAM6GWxysVKAPaT2fd4P0rzcKsk1qzsvTWE0KJdd8vTuy6ybwgg@mail.gmail.com>

 Actually I think it is open to anyone interested whether you are a student
or not.
On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 8:53 PM Jonathan Franks via NABS-L <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hello Ashley,
> Call is open to all students
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 12, 2017, at 6:41 PM, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > is this open to anyone or just nabs and/or the committee?
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: Kenia Flores via NABS-L
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 7:31 PM
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> > Cc: Kenia Flores
> > Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Legislative Advocacy Committee Call Tonight
> >
> > Good evening, fellow students,
> >
> > Are you interested in advancing the legislative priorities of our
> > movement? If so, please join the legislative advocacy committee for a
> > conference call tonight at 9pm EST, 8pm CST,. The call-in number is
> > 712-7705197, and the access code is 265669. We look forward to
> > speaking with you all tonight.
> >
> > Best,
> > Kenia Flores
> > Co-Chair, National Association of Blind Students Legislative Advocacy
> Committee
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NABS-L mailing list
> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NABS-L:
> >
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> >
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> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From sheth.neel.s at gmail.com  Wed Sep 13 02:12:54 2017
From: sheth.neel.s at gmail.com (Neel Sheth)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 22:12:54 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Library Databases
In-Reply-To: <0D9D2905-CA95-4398-A90B-2A76031717B0@gmail.com>
References: <0D9D2905-CA95-4398-A90B-2A76031717B0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CEC5745-319C-4FD1-8472-FBC5A930C500@gmail.com>

Hello Vejas, 
In general, I haven’t had any issues navigating my university’s library website or the database list. I usually use google scholar, and the science databases. Though, I’ve also found that jstor is also vary accessible. the area where you may have issues is citing the sources. At Clemson, we use refworks as our citation manager, and though it’s perfectly accessible, the page isn’t divided into many headings or frames, so navigation is very tedious. For a list of sources, I just created a list of sources in refworks, and imported the list into an RTF document on my computer. 
Continuing on finding sources however, I’ve also found that if you find a wikipedia article on your topic, the reference list at the end of the article is a great place to find journal articles that may be useful. 
> On Sep 12, 2017, at 6:16 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> One of my classes  is going to rely heavily on narrowing Internet search results down to reputable sources using databases and the library archives. I haven't had any experience with databases before.  In the past, and as a high school student, we were occasionally recommended to use them, but we could also just go online and find things with Google. The databases  which I will primarily be using are my school's library database and the MLA database. We are also allowed to look at old archived material from the older times, which is available in our library but which I am guessing would not be available electronically. I just wanted to ask you all what your experiences using databases have been. How much sighted help have you needed? Are you easily able to take something from a database and save it for later use?
> Thanks,
> Vejas
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Sep 13 21:23:33 2017
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 17:23:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Library Databases
In-Reply-To: <8CEC5745-319C-4FD1-8472-FBC5A930C500@gmail.com>
References: <0D9D2905-CA95-4398-A90B-2A76031717B0@gmail.com>
	<8CEC5745-319C-4FD1-8472-FBC5A930C500@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42E904796D0A4737894A6A2ED97D3C5F@OwnerPC>

Neel,
That's nice to hear. I've had plenty of issues navigating databases.

Clemson is a good school; my dad graduated from there.

Ashley


-----Original Message----- 
From: Neel Sheth via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 10:12 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Neel Sheth
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Library Databases

Hello Vejas,
In general, I haven’t had any issues navigating my university’s library 
website or the database list. I usually use google scholar, and the science 
databases. Though, I’ve also found that jstor is also vary accessible. the 
area where you may have issues is citing the sources. At Clemson, we use 
refworks as our citation manager, and though it’s perfectly accessible, the 
page isn’t divided into many headings or frames, so navigation is very 
tedious. For a list of sources, I just created a list of sources in 
refworks, and imported the list into an RTF document on my computer.
Continuing on finding sources however, I’ve also found that if you find a 
wikipedia article on your topic, the reference list at the end of the 
article is a great place to find journal articles that may be useful.
> On Sep 12, 2017, at 6:16 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
> One of my classes  is going to rely heavily on narrowing Internet search 
> results down to reputable sources using databases and the library 
> archives. I haven't had any experience with databases before.  In the 
> past, and as a high school student, we were occasionally recommended to 
> use them, but we could also just go online and find things with Google. 
> The databases  which I will primarily be using are my school's library 
> database and the MLA database. We are also allowed to look at old archived 
> material from the older times, which is available in our library but which 
> I am guessing would not be available electronically. I just wanted to ask 
> you all what your experiences using databases have been. How much sighted 
> help have you needed? Are you easily able to take something from a 
> database and save it for later use?
> Thanks,
> Vejas
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From kcj21 at bellsouth.net  Wed Sep 13 22:43:51 2017
From: kcj21 at bellsouth.net (Kaley Jemison)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 18:43:51 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Library Databases
In-Reply-To: <42E904796D0A4737894A6A2ED97D3C5F@OwnerPC>
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Good evening, I have some vision so my advice might not be as helpful. I am earning my masters in English literature, so I use database is quite a lot. You will probably use the MLA international bibliography, but I find project muse and JSTOR to be more accessible. Generally,I read through the list of articles to find what title best matches what I'm looking for after narrowing down my search terms.then, off to the right there is usually an option to download the PDF which usually works with the screen reader. Project music even occasionallythen, off to the right there is usually an option to download the PDF which usually works with the screen reader. Project music even occasionally has an audio button that will just review the article. I hope this helps let me know if you have any more specific questions and I would be happy to help. I am also teaching freshman English so I am very aware of how to use library resources. All the best, Kaley

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> On Sep 13, 2017, at 5:23 PM, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Neel,
> That's nice to hear. I've had plenty of issues navigating databases.
> 
> Clemson is a good school; my dad graduated from there.
> 
> Ashley
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Neel Sheth via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 10:12 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Neel Sheth
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Library Databases
> 
> Hello Vejas,
> In general, I haven’t had any issues navigating my university’s library website or the database list. I usually use google scholar, and the science databases. Though, I’ve also found that jstor is also vary accessible. the area where you may have issues is citing the sources. At Clemson, we use refworks as our citation manager, and though it’s perfectly accessible, the page isn’t divided into many headings or frames, so navigation is very tedious. For a list of sources, I just created a list of sources in refworks, and imported the list into an RTF document on my computer.
> Continuing on finding sources however, I’ve also found that if you find a wikipedia article on your topic, the reference list at the end of the article is a great place to find journal articles that may be useful.
>> On Sep 12, 2017, at 6:16 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> One of my classes  is going to rely heavily on narrowing Internet search results down to reputable sources using databases and the library archives. I haven't had any experience with databases before.  In the past, and as a high school student, we were occasionally recommended to use them, but we could also just go online and find things with Google. The databases  which I will primarily be using are my school's library database and the MLA database. We are also allowed to look at old archived material from the older times, which is available in our library but which I am guessing would not be available electronically. I just wanted to ask you all what your experiences using databases have been. How much sighted help have you needed? Are you easily able to take something from a database and save it for later use?
>> Thanks,
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From rob.parso3389 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 14 03:50:18 2017
From: rob.parso3389 at gmail.com (Robert Parsons)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 23:50:18 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: 2017 NFB of Virginia Convention Highlights for
 Students & Parents
Message-ID: <004201d32d0c$95abfb50$c103f1f0$@gmail.com>

Greetings. Here is some information about student programming for youth and
older students at the 59th National Federation of the Blind of Virginia's
state convention from November 3-5 in Falls Church, VA.


This convention highlight outlines programming for older students, younger
students, and for parents.

 

The student programming at the 59th Annual State Convention of the National
Federation of the Blind of Virginia will incorporate innovative ways for
students and youth to get engaged and prepared for academic, community, and
social success. 

 

For Older Students:

Beginning Friday, November 3, attendees will have the opportunity to network
with other high school and college-age members in a social setting,
participate in student business meetings and elections at the annual student
luncheon, and take part in informative discussions and workshops with state
and national student leaders. On Sunday, November 5, the students and youth
will take part in a collaborative self-defense course that can expand the
minds and bodies of the participants. This course also will give students a
chance to work with younger children and influence leadership skills in them
for the future.

 

Here are a few details we can share for students from the convention Agenda:

 

Winning Them Over with Professionalism and Poise - An Etiquette Dinner: 

You are cordially invited to attend the inaugural Etiquette Dinner presented
by the NFB of Virginia on Friday evening. At this dinner, you will be
educated on the ins and outs of appropriate etiquette in both professional
and social dining settings. From knowing which fork to use, to how much to
tip, and even appropriate dinner conversation. these are just a few of the
things that will be discussed. There will also be an "Ask Ms. Manners"
portion at the end.

 

Friday Night Student Track Membership Kick off with Ice Breakers and games
to ensure everyone gets an opportunity to meet each other.

 

Youth Slam - Learn from a participant in the 2017 NFB Youth Slam, a 2-week
STEM program on Towson State University.

 

Virginia Association of Blind Students - Learn about the exciting
programming of our student division including the Successful Summer Student
Blowout in June.

 

Project RISE -Learn about Project RISE, the NFB of Virginia's exciting
pre-employment mentoring program for students ages 14-21 from the organizers
of the program then attend the Open House for students and parents to learn
more and get your questions answered.

 

Saturday Break Outs - On Saturday at 1:30 pm, we will have a series of
30-minute breakout sessions, including panel discussion and open forums. We
will have national and state guest speakers.

 

Self-Defense Program - Our Sunday morning, Youth Track program is offering
an engaging, hands-on introduction to martial arts open to students of all
ages. Mr. Wilson Olivera and students from the Full Circle Integrated
Martial Arts School will be joining us for some lessons in practical
self-defense.

 

For Younger Students:

 

NFB BELL Academy - Learn from the participants in the 2017 Braille
Enrichment for Literacy & Learning (BELL) Academies in Arlington and
Harrisonburg.

 

Braille Carnival - Friday evening, there will be fun games and an
opportunity to connect with younger students and parents throughout the
Commonwealth.

 

For Parents:

 

Virginia Department of Education - On Friday morning, hear from John
Eisenberg, Assistant Superintendent for Special Education and Student
Services about ways to help your student get a quality education.

 

Lunch with John Eisenberg - Grab a boxed lunch and Join Mr. Eisenberg in the
Presidential Suite for a Friday afternoon question and answer session to tap
his advice and suggestions on navigating services for your child.

 

On Saturday, learn from parents who have overcome obstacles and have
improved the services for their children to get their child a better
education. 

 

Saturday Virginia Parents of Blind Children Lunch - Meet with parents from
throughout Virginia and identify ways to help each other and your children. 

 

Do You Dream in Color? - On Saturday, join us for a screening of the
critically acclaimed film Do You Dream in Color? about four inspiring blind
students and their journeys. This will be followed by an opportunity to ask
questions to parents and NFB leaders. We will also discuss how the NFB can
help students achieve their dreams in a discussion facilitated by Brian
Miller and Fred Schroeder.

The National Federation of the Blind of Virginia Convention combines
excellent networking with positive blind role models, fellowship with old
and new friends across the Commonwealth, and some of the best presentations
on topics important to the blind of Virginia

 

Details on convention registration and hotel reservations can be found at:

 

 <http://www.nfbv.org/convention/> http://www.nfbv.org/convention/

 

Tracy Soforenko

President, National Federation of the Blind of Virginia

202 285-4595

Tracy.soforenko at gmail.com <mailto:Tracy.soforenko at gmail.com> 

 

 

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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Thu Sep 14 23:38:10 2017
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 19:38:10 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Training before College
Message-ID: <5145EDDB-6F80-415E-95D3-4BABB1DFE110@icloud.com>

Hi all,
Anyone else on here go to an NFB training center before college? I have decided that I want to go to training before college, but am trying to figure out what to do logistically. I am now a Senior in High School. I have decided to apply to the community college this year, but defer my enrollment. As far as Financial Aid, I am still not sure whether to fill out the FAFSA this year or not. I will be meeting with my counselor and Financial Aid advisor, but want to here other people's experiences. Thank you
Mikayla.

From rexschuttler at gmail.com  Fri Sep 15 00:00:30 2017
From: rexschuttler at gmail.com (Rex Schuttler)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 19:00:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Training before College
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References: <5145EDDB-6F80-415E-95D3-4BABB1DFE110@icloud.com>
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Hello,

I did go to a training center before college and I made all the difference in the world. To your question about financial aid you do not need to worry about filling it out for this physical school year until after you're done with training. I would fill it out for next school year the 2018 to 2019 school year.

Rex Schuttler
Second Vice President of the national Federation of the blind of Oklahoma
President of the Central Oklahoma chapter of the national Federation of the blind of Oklahoma
cell phone number
918-955-6761

> On Sep 14, 2017, at 6:38 PM, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Anyone else on here go to an NFB training center before college? I have decided that I want to go to training before college, but am trying to figure out what to do logistically. I am now a Senior in High School. I have decided to apply to the community college this year, but defer my enrollment. As far as Financial Aid, I am still not sure whether to fill out the FAFSA this year or not. I will be meeting with my counselor and Financial Aid advisor, but want to here other people's experiences. Thank you
> Mikayla.
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Fri Sep 15 00:29:22 2017
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 20:29:22 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Training before College
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References: <5145EDDB-6F80-415E-95D3-4BABB1DFE110@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <008601d32db9$ae261f50$0a725df0$@gmail.com>

Mikayla:

I went to training at LCB before entering college, and I don't think I'll
ever regret that decision. I think you've made a great call!

If you want to go to training between high school and college, you'll want
to take something called a "gap year." Before you go any further, I think
it's very important that everyone involved in advising you on your future
plans--your high school guidance counselor, your college admissions
counselor, your college's financial aid department, etc--be aware of your
intentions and the reasoning behind them. In this way you can easily justify
your request for deferred entrance and ensure that everyone is on the same
page. As for financial aid, I would consult with your financial aid advisor.
However, when I was going through this process, I did my FASFA while I was
home during LCB's Christmas break. This is probably the best route for you
to take, as doing it while you are in training will make clear which
semester you want your loan to be used for. But, again, I would ask
Financial Aid for their opinion before doing anything with FASFA.

Hope this helps,

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart
via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 7:38 PM
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Cc: Mikayla Gephart <mikgephart at icloud.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Training before College

Hi all,
Anyone else on here go to an NFB training center before college? I have
decided that I want to go to training before college, but am trying to
figure out what to do logistically. I am now a Senior in High School. I have
decided to apply to the community college this year, but defer my
enrollment. As far as Financial Aid, I am still not sure whether to fill out
the FAFSA this year or not. I will be meeting with my counselor and
Financial Aid advisor, but want to here other people's experiences. Thank
you Mikayla.
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From eemcrew at gmail.com  Fri Sep 15 00:57:16 2017
From: eemcrew at gmail.com (Ellana Crew)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 20:57:16 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Training before College
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Hey there!

First, I want to congratulate you and thinking about that ahead of time because that's a big deal and I'm glad you decided you want to go before college.

I was somebody who did not initially decide to go to training before college and went to my first year of community college without training, and it didn't turn out so great, so after my first year I went to training I had a much better experience in college afterward. Generally, I would wait on the FAF essay because training can often take around nine or 10 months, which will essentially block out the whole school year for most people, so I would wait to fill it out until The year you know you will be beginning school at your community college. Or, if you are deciding to take classes while in training if you're training center offers a college prep program, it would in that case be better to go ahead and do the FAF essay now.

Of course, there is certainly no harm in doing the FAF essay now even if you don't go to college until a year or two from now, so if you want to do so you certainly can. You may find that it's easier to get it out-of-the-way now and just renew the information next year when you go to school. So, really, either way is all right.

Ellana Crew, Vice President
Maryland Association of Blind Students
Website: nfbmd.org/students
Facebook: facebook.com/mdabs.federation
Twitter: @MDABS_NFB

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.

> On Sep 14, 2017, at 7:38 PM, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Anyone else on here go to an NFB training center before college? I have decided that I want to go to training before college, but am trying to figure out what to do logistically. I am now a Senior in High School. I have decided to apply to the community college this year, but defer my enrollment. As far as Financial Aid, I am still not sure whether to fill out the FAFSA this year or not. I will be meeting with my counselor and Financial Aid advisor, but want to here other people's experiences. Thank you
> Mikayla.
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From discoduck221 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 15 05:35:10 2017
From: discoduck221 at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 01:35:10 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A New Radio Station Is On The Horizon,
 Will You Join The Radio Revolution?
Message-ID: <CA+Wnc9RHH7kD33vcMbAGpvFTHyEWnnO1LT0dnYjoVsAgtr6i_Q@mail.gmail.com>

Please consider passing this along to any friends you think would be
interested in being part of this new and up and coming radio project.
As a side note, we plan to carry Nabs events at convention, membership
calls and a whole lot more! So stay tuned and read below!

Thank you.
Hi All!
I'm here to announce that a new radio station is going to be born
soon. But to understand more, let me give you some quick background.
Internet radio is something that's been around for quite some time.
Fast connections and powerful computers and easy to use software have
made it possible for the average person to do a radio show about
anything; from music to talk and more.
I was actually fortunate enough to be able to run a station of my own
called Audio Access FM til 2013. Circumstances came up in my life that
forced me to give that station up.
For awhile, I began bouncing around to different radio projects, and
one thing was clear.
People on the various projects were doing a variety of things that
would take the fun out of radio. Whether it was playing favorites,
letting those who didn't work on the station into managerial meetings,
too many clicks, station owners not giving equal support to all their
djs, etc.
I decided I wanted to return to running a station. Despite my
controvertial radio past, I felt that the observing I have been doing
over the years plus growing up taught me a lot. Furthermore, I decided
I wanted to set a standard for radio that I believe could make it fun
again, at least for some people.
So my friends Will Ouellette, Clara Deitz, Chris Nusbaum and I decided
to get together to form a new station with a unique name and concept.
We want to change the standards and expectations of an online radio
station. We want people to know that radio can be fun, and that a
station can be an atmosphere where people feel welcome, there's no
drama, and everyone can have a good time while doing their best to put
on a quality show. There's a reason the broadcasting bug doesn't go
away for many of us who have been around for awhile. And that's cause
we know that if you have a nice mix of good people, professionalism
and the ability to have fun, being on a station with cool people can
be an amazing joy ride.
So since the station is on the internet, and the internet is world
wide, and there are 195 countries in the United Nations Charter, we
came up with 195 The Globe. And since we want to change expectations
about radio, our slogan is Welcome To The Radio Revolution.
This message is inviting you to either broadcast with us, or to follow
our journey to our launch date and beyond.
So if you'd like to apply to be a broadcaster, thus being part of this
new radio revolution, feel free to fill out our broadcaster
application right now at
http://www.195theglobe.com
The above address will soon be the home of our web site, but while we
work on it, this is where you can fill out our application.
Eventually, this application will be integrated into the web site. Our
site is being built with Wordpress to make it easy to find out about
what's going on, interact with djs and listeners, etc.
Not a broadcaster? No problem. You can follow our progress til launch
date by following
195_theglobe
on twitter.
Our facebook page and other forms of interaction will be coming soon.
I truly believe that this station will be unique and fun. We might not
be the biggest and most advanced, but we'll be innovative, fun-loving,
and there to entertain our listeners and make them happy.
So, if you want to join the radio revolution, apply at
http://www.195theglobe.com
or to follow the revolution, follow
195_theglobe
on twitter.
If you have any additional questions or want to talk about anything,
please email me at
ddunphy at 195theglobe.com
I hope to see you on our exciting revolutionary radio journey and beyond!
All the best,
David Dunphy


From martinezana770 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 15 13:58:22 2017
From: martinezana770 at gmail.com (Ana Martinez)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:58:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] training before college
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hi Mikaela, I went to the Louisiana Center for the blind before college. it was the best desission I made, I'll be starting college in January. and I truly feel that LCB really prepared me for college

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> Hi all,
> Anyone else on here go to an NFB training center before college? I have decided that I want to go to training before college, but am trying to figure out what to do logistically. I am now a Senior in High School. I have decided to apply to the community college this year, but defer my enrollment. As far as Financial Aid, I am still not sure whether to fill out the FAFSA this year or not. I will be meeting with my counselor and Financial Aid advisor, but want to here other people's experiences. Thank you
> Mikayla.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
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> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 19:00:30 -0500
> From: Rex Schuttler <rexschuttler at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training before College
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> 
> Hello,
> 
> I did go to a training center before college and I made all the difference in the world. To your question about financial aid you do not need to worry about filling it out for this physical school year until after you're done with training. I would fill it out for next school year the 2018 to 2019 school year.
> 
> Rex Schuttler
> Second Vice President of the national Federation of the blind of Oklahoma
> President of the Central Oklahoma chapter of the national Federation of the blind of Oklahoma
> cell phone number
> 918-955-6761
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2017, at 6:38 PM, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> Anyone else on here go to an NFB training center before college? I have decided that I want to go to training before college, but am trying to figure out what to do logistically. I am now a Senior in High School. I have decided to apply to the community college this year, but defer my enrollment. As far as Financial Aid, I am still not sure whether to fill out the FAFSA this year or not. I will be meeting with my counselor and Financial Aid advisor, but want to here other people's experiences. Thank you
>> Mikayla.
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> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 20:29:22 -0400
> From: "Chris Nusbaum" <cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training before College
> Message-ID: <008601d32db9$ae261f50$0a725df0$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="US-ASCII"
> 
> Mikayla:
> 
> I went to training at LCB before entering college, and I don't think I'll
> ever regret that decision. I think you've made a great call!
> 
> If you want to go to training between high school and college, you'll want
> to take something called a "gap year." Before you go any further, I think
> it's very important that everyone involved in advising you on your future
> plans--your high school guidance counselor, your college admissions
> counselor, your college's financial aid department, etc--be aware of your
> intentions and the reasoning behind them. In this way you can easily justify
> your request for deferred entrance and ensure that everyone is on the same
> page. As for financial aid, I would consult with your financial aid advisor.
> However, when I was going through this process, I did my FASFA while I was
> home during LCB's Christmas break. This is probably the best route for you
> to take, as doing it while you are in training will make clear which
> semester you want your loan to be used for. But, again, I would ask
> Financial Aid for their opinion before doing anything with FASFA.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Chris
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart
> via NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 7:38 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Mikayla Gephart <mikgephart at icloud.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Training before College
> 
> Hi all,
> Anyone else on here go to an NFB training center before college? I have
> decided that I want to go to training before college, but am trying to
> figure out what to do logistically. I am now a Senior in High School. I have
> decided to apply to the community college this year, but defer my
> enrollment. As far as Financial Aid, I am still not sure whether to fill out
> the FAFSA this year or not. I will be meeting with my counselor and
> Financial Aid advisor, but want to here other people's experiences. Thank
> you Mikayla.
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> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 20:57:16 -0400
> From: Ellana Crew <eemcrew at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training before College
> Message-ID: <5004654C-91BE-4D6C-9E00-9EDD804F0945 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
> 
> Hey there!
> 
> First, I want to congratulate you and thinking about that ahead of time because that's a big deal and I'm glad you decided you want to go before college.
> 
> I was somebody who did not initially decide to go to training before college and went to my first year of community college without training, and it didn't turn out so great, so after my first year I went to training I had a much better experience in college afterward. Generally, I would wait on the FAF essay because training can often take around nine or 10 months, which will essentially block out the whole school year for most people, so I would wait to fill it out until The year you know you will be beginning school at your community college. Or, if you are deciding to take classes while in training if you're training center offers a college prep program, it would in that case be better to go ahead and do the FAF essay now.
> 
> Of course, there is certainly no harm in doing the FAF essay now even if you don't go to college until a year or two from now, so if you want to do so you certainly can. You may find that it's easier to get it out-of-the-way now and just renew the information next year when you go to school. So, really, either way is all right.
> 
> Ellana Crew, Vice President
> Maryland Association of Blind Students
> Website: nfbmd.org/students
> Facebook: facebook.com/mdabs.federation
> Twitter: @MDABS_NFB
> 
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2017, at 7:38 PM, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> Anyone else on here go to an NFB training center before college? I have decided that I want to go to training before college, but am trying to figure out what to do logistically. I am now a Senior in High School. I have decided to apply to the community college this year, but defer my enrollment. As far as Financial Aid, I am still not sure whether to fill out the FAFSA this year or not. I will be meeting with my counselor and Financial Aid advisor, but want to here other people's experiences. Thank you
>> Mikayla.
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 01:35:10 -0400
> From: David Dunphy <discoduck221 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] A New Radio Station Is On The Horizon, Will You Join
>    The Radio Revolution?
> Message-ID:
>    <CA+Wnc9RHH7kD33vcMbAGpvFTHyEWnnO1LT0dnYjoVsAgtr6i_Q at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> Please consider passing this along to any friends you think would be
> interested in being part of this new and up and coming radio project.
> As a side note, we plan to carry Nabs events at convention, membership
> calls and a whole lot more! So stay tuned and read below!
> 
> Thank you.
> Hi All!
> I'm here to announce that a new radio station is going to be born
> soon. But to understand more, let me give you some quick background.
> Internet radio is something that's been around for quite some time.
> Fast connections and powerful computers and easy to use software have
> made it possible for the average person to do a radio show about
> anything; from music to talk and more.
> I was actually fortunate enough to be able to run a station of my own
> called Audio Access FM til 2013. Circumstances came up in my life that
> forced me to give that station up.
> For awhile, I began bouncing around to different radio projects, and
> one thing was clear.
> People on the various projects were doing a variety of things that
> would take the fun out of radio. Whether it was playing favorites,
> letting those who didn't work on the station into managerial meetings,
> too many clicks, station owners not giving equal support to all their
> djs, etc.
> I decided I wanted to return to running a station. Despite my
> controvertial radio past, I felt that the observing I have been doing
> over the years plus growing up taught me a lot. Furthermore, I decided
> I wanted to set a standard for radio that I believe could make it fun
> again, at least for some people.
> So my friends Will Ouellette, Clara Deitz, Chris Nusbaum and I decided
> to get together to form a new station with a unique name and concept.
> We want to change the standards and expectations of an online radio
> station. We want people to know that radio can be fun, and that a
> station can be an atmosphere where people feel welcome, there's no
> drama, and everyone can have a good time while doing their best to put
> on a quality show. There's a reason the broadcasting bug doesn't go
> away for many of us who have been around for awhile. And that's cause
> we know that if you have a nice mix of good people, professionalism
> and the ability to have fun, being on a station with cool people can
> be an amazing joy ride.
> So since the station is on the internet, and the internet is world
> wide, and there are 195 countries in the United Nations Charter, we
> came up with 195 The Globe. And since we want to change expectations
> about radio, our slogan is Welcome To The Radio Revolution.
> This message is inviting you to either broadcast with us, or to follow
> our journey to our launch date and beyond.
> So if you'd like to apply to be a broadcaster, thus being part of this
> new radio revolution, feel free to fill out our broadcaster
> application right now at
> http://www.195theglobe.com
> The above address will soon be the home of our web site, but while we
> work on it, this is where you can fill out our application.
> Eventually, this application will be integrated into the web site. Our
> site is being built with Wordpress to make it easy to find out about
> what's going on, interact with djs and listeners, etc.
> Not a broadcaster? No problem. You can follow our progress til launch
> date by following
> 195_theglobe
> on twitter.
> Our facebook page and other forms of interaction will be coming soon.
> I truly believe that this station will be unique and fun. We might not
> be the biggest and most advanced, but we'll be innovative, fun-loving,
> and there to entertain our listeners and make them happy.
> So, if you want to join the radio revolution, apply at
> http://www.195theglobe.com
> or to follow the revolution, follow
> 195_theglobe
> on twitter.
> If you have any additional questions or want to talk about anything,
> please email me at
> ddunphy at 195theglobe.com
> I hope to see you on our exciting revolutionary radio journey and beyond!
> All the best,
> David Dunphy
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Subject: Digest Footer
> 
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> End of NABS-L Digest, Vol 131, Issue 15
> ***************************************


From tyler at tysdomain.com  Fri Sep 15 15:03:58 2017
From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 11:03:58 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A New Radio Station Is On The Horizon,
 Will You Join The Radio Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <CA+Wnc9RHH7kD33vcMbAGpvFTHyEWnnO1LT0dnYjoVsAgtr6i_Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+Wnc9RHH7kD33vcMbAGpvFTHyEWnnO1LT0dnYjoVsAgtr6i_Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a6b8a3b0-a585-cff0-ad1e-4f2ac3abc2d7@tysdomain.com>

Where is the moderator. A couple years ago he was told that his radio
spam does not belong on this list--why is it here now?
On 9/15/2017 1:35 AM, David Dunphy via NABS-L wrote:
> Please consider passing this along to any friends you think would be
> interested in being part of this new and up and coming radio project.
> As a side note, we plan to carry Nabs events at convention, membership
> calls and a whole lot more! So stay tuned and read below!
>
> Thank you.
> Hi All!
> I'm here to announce that a new radio station is going to be born
> soon. But to understand more, let me give you some quick background.
> Internet radio is something that's been around for quite some time.
> Fast connections and powerful computers and easy to use software have
> made it possible for the average person to do a radio show about
> anything; from music to talk and more.
> I was actually fortunate enough to be able to run a station of my own
> called Audio Access FM til 2013. Circumstances came up in my life that
> forced me to give that station up.
> For awhile, I began bouncing around to different radio projects, and
> one thing was clear.
> People on the various projects were doing a variety of things that
> would take the fun out of radio. Whether it was playing favorites,
> letting those who didn't work on the station into managerial meetings,
> too many clicks, station owners not giving equal support to all their
> djs, etc.
> I decided I wanted to return to running a station. Despite my
> controvertial radio past, I felt that the observing I have been doing
> over the years plus growing up taught me a lot. Furthermore, I decided
> I wanted to set a standard for radio that I believe could make it fun
> again, at least for some people.
> So my friends Will Ouellette, Clara Deitz, Chris Nusbaum and I decided
> to get together to form a new station with a unique name and concept.
> We want to change the standards and expectations of an online radio
> station. We want people to know that radio can be fun, and that a
> station can be an atmosphere where people feel welcome, there's no
> drama, and everyone can have a good time while doing their best to put
> on a quality show. There's a reason the broadcasting bug doesn't go
> away for many of us who have been around for awhile. And that's cause
> we know that if you have a nice mix of good people, professionalism
> and the ability to have fun, being on a station with cool people can
> be an amazing joy ride.
> So since the station is on the internet, and the internet is world
> wide, and there are 195 countries in the United Nations Charter, we
> came up with 195 The Globe. And since we want to change expectations
> about radio, our slogan is Welcome To The Radio Revolution.
> This message is inviting you to either broadcast with us, or to follow
> our journey to our launch date and beyond.
> So if you'd like to apply to be a broadcaster, thus being part of this
> new radio revolution, feel free to fill out our broadcaster
> application right now at
> http://www.195theglobe.com
> The above address will soon be the home of our web site, but while we
> work on it, this is where you can fill out our application.
> Eventually, this application will be integrated into the web site. Our
> site is being built with Wordpress to make it easy to find out about
> what's going on, interact with djs and listeners, etc.
> Not a broadcaster? No problem. You can follow our progress til launch
> date by following
> 195_theglobe
> on twitter.
> Our facebook page and other forms of interaction will be coming soon.
> I truly believe that this station will be unique and fun. We might not
> be the biggest and most advanced, but we'll be innovative, fun-loving,
> and there to entertain our listeners and make them happy.
> So, if you want to join the radio revolution, apply at
> http://www.195theglobe.com
> or to follow the revolution, follow
> 195_theglobe
> on twitter.
> If you have any additional questions or want to talk about anything,
> please email me at
> ddunphy at 195theglobe.com
> I hope to see you on our exciting revolutionary radio journey and beyond!
> All the best,
> David Dunphy
>
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 15 15:27:43 2017
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 11:27:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Training before College
Message-ID: <59bbf16e.07f90d0a.e3be9.1a0a@mx.google.com>

Hi Mikayla thanks for your message.  Congratulations on deciding 
to go to training before college.  The skills you gain through 
training will be beneficial during and after your college career.  
While I was in high school I attended a camp for blind teenagers 
where we learned about the skills that would help us to succeed 
in college.  It is up to you when you fill out the Fafsa to apply 
to college.  I would fill it out after you have completed your 
training.


From sandragayer7 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 15 20:37:50 2017
From: sandragayer7 at gmail.com (Sandra Gayer)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 21:37:50 +0100
Subject: [nabs-l] A New Radio Station Is On The Horizon,
 Will You Join The Radio Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <a6b8a3b0-a585-cff0-ad1e-4f2ac3abc2d7@tysdomain.com>
References: <CA+Wnc9RHH7kD33vcMbAGpvFTHyEWnnO1LT0dnYjoVsAgtr6i_Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<a6b8a3b0-a585-cff0-ad1e-4f2ac3abc2d7@tysdomain.com>
Message-ID: <CAJcYH6-Gm9GF1-aqmHQD3fVgHy6aaPymptGWFzYvKKyfUYtekw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
I think you are being rather unkind. There was no attempt to sell
anything. Noone has to click on those links. It sounded like a nice
email to me. I like hearing about people taking positive action.

Very best wishes,

Sandra Gayer Dipabrsm.

On 9/15/17, Littlefield, Tyler via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Where is the moderator. A couple years ago he was told that his radio
> spam does not belong on this list--why is it here now?
> On 9/15/2017 1:35 AM, David Dunphy via NABS-L wrote:
>> Please consider passing this along to any friends you think would be
>> interested in being part of this new and up and coming radio project.
>> As a side note, we plan to carry Nabs events at convention, membership
>> calls and a whole lot more! So stay tuned and read below!
>>
>> Thank you.
>> Hi All!
>> I'm here to announce that a new radio station is going to be born
>> soon. But to understand more, let me give you some quick background.
>> Internet radio is something that's been around for quite some time.
>> Fast connections and powerful computers and easy to use software have
>> made it possible for the average person to do a radio show about
>> anything; from music to talk and more.
>> I was actually fortunate enough to be able to run a station of my own
>> called Audio Access FM til 2013. Circumstances came up in my life that
>> forced me to give that station up.
>> For awhile, I began bouncing around to different radio projects, and
>> one thing was clear.
>> People on the various projects were doing a variety of things that
>> would take the fun out of radio. Whether it was playing favorites,
>> letting those who didn't work on the station into managerial meetings,
>> too many clicks, station owners not giving equal support to all their
>> djs, etc.
>> I decided I wanted to return to running a station. Despite my
>> controvertial radio past, I felt that the observing I have been doing
>> over the years plus growing up taught me a lot. Furthermore, I decided
>> I wanted to set a standard for radio that I believe could make it fun
>> again, at least for some people.
>> So my friends Will Ouellette, Clara Deitz, Chris Nusbaum and I decided
>> to get together to form a new station with a unique name and concept.
>> We want to change the standards and expectations of an online radio
>> station. We want people to know that radio can be fun, and that a
>> station can be an atmosphere where people feel welcome, there's no
>> drama, and everyone can have a good time while doing their best to put
>> on a quality show. There's a reason the broadcasting bug doesn't go
>> away for many of us who have been around for awhile. And that's cause
>> we know that if you have a nice mix of good people, professionalism
>> and the ability to have fun, being on a station with cool people can
>> be an amazing joy ride.
>> So since the station is on the internet, and the internet is world
>> wide, and there are 195 countries in the United Nations Charter, we
>> came up with 195 The Globe. And since we want to change expectations
>> about radio, our slogan is Welcome To The Radio Revolution.
>> This message is inviting you to either broadcast with us, or to follow
>> our journey to our launch date and beyond.
>> So if you'd like to apply to be a broadcaster, thus being part of this
>> new radio revolution, feel free to fill out our broadcaster
>> application right now at
>> http://www.195theglobe.com
>> The above address will soon be the home of our web site, but while we
>> work on it, this is where you can fill out our application.
>> Eventually, this application will be integrated into the web site. Our
>> site is being built with Wordpress to make it easy to find out about
>> what's going on, interact with djs and listeners, etc.
>> Not a broadcaster? No problem. You can follow our progress til launch
>> date by following
>> 195_theglobe
>> on twitter.
>> Our facebook page and other forms of interaction will be coming soon.
>> I truly believe that this station will be unique and fun. We might not
>> be the biggest and most advanced, but we'll be innovative, fun-loving,
>> and there to entertain our listeners and make them happy.
>> So, if you want to join the radio revolution, apply at
>> http://www.195theglobe.com
>> or to follow the revolution, follow
>> 195_theglobe
>> on twitter.
>> If you have any additional questions or want to talk about anything,
>> please email me at
>> ddunphy at 195theglobe.com
>> I hope to see you on our exciting revolutionary radio journey and beyond!
>> All the best,
>> David Dunphy
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com
>
>
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From oliver.doug1 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 16 01:15:43 2017
From: oliver.doug1 at gmail.com (Doug Oliver)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 20:15:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille display for salele
Message-ID: <9BD727EA-A93B-4188-A648-E13CB0CA7784@gmail.com>

Hello everyone, firstly, let me say this. If this post is not allowed, please let me know. But for anyone interested,
Read on. I am selling a gently used refreshabraille 18. It's in very good condition, and barely used. I'm asking $1000 or best offer. Please write me off list at the following email address
oliver.doug1 at gmail.com
Thank you,
Doug.



Douglas Charles Oliver

From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Sat Sep 16 01:37:29 2017
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (sophie trist)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 20:37:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with BrailleNote Touch
Message-ID: <88C8B335-CA0B-49A1-8C54-1866FDAF2343@gmail.com>

Dear All,

I was reading a book on the Victor reader app on my BN Touch when the thumb-keys suddenly stopped working. The cursor buttons no longer work either. I tried powering down the unit to no effect. If anyone has a fix for this, PLEASE HELP! Thanks in advance.

Best,
Sophie 

Sent from my iPhone

From jldail13 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 16 01:55:11 2017
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 21:55:11 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with BrailleNote Touch
Message-ID: <59bc8482.85916b0a.73d99.6711@mx.google.com>

Hi,
You may need to reset the unit, which will erase all data, so be sure to bckup anything you absolutely need.
Once ready, go to Android system settings, then "backup and reset," then erase personal data.

On Sep 15, 2017 9:37 PM, sophie trist via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Dear All, 
>
> I was reading a book on the Victor reader app on my BN Touch when the thumb-keys suddenly stopped working. The cursor buttons no longer work either. I tried powering down the unit to no effect. If anyone has a fix for this, PLEASE HELP! Thanks in advance. 
>
> Best, 
> Sophie 
>
> Sent from my iPhone 
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sun Sep 17 00:44:18 2017
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 00:44:18 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Reading Through a Textbook
Message-ID: <BN4PR12MB0754D134C666A9E2078FFC3DBA620@BN4PR12MB0754.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Hello All,

I recently received one of my textbooks from the disabilities office. However, I was rather disappointed that I could not read through it rather easily due to a lot of hyphenated words that sound funky while using a screen reader. So I tried scanning the book on my own and got the same results. Does anyone know of an easy way to correct all the hyphenated words that appear in my textbook without correcting every hyphenated word indivisually? I have a reading assignment that is due on Monday, so any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Elizabeth

From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Sun Sep 17 00:54:33 2017
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (sophie trist)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2017 19:54:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Reading Through a Textbook
Message-ID: <59bdc7cb.41b3810a.ffa89.732b@mx.google.com>

Elizabeth,

I don't think there's a way to fix that without manually going through your textbook and changing the words, if that's even possible. I'd suggest using a braille display if you have one. Seeing the words in braille might make it easier to see what they really mean.

HTH,
Sophie

On Sep 16, 2017 7:44 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hello All, 
>
> I recently received one of my textbooks from the disabilities office. However, I was rather disappointed that I could not read through it rather easily due to a lot of hyphenated words that sound funky while using a screen reader. So I tried scanning the book on my own and got the same results. Does anyone know of an easy way to correct all the hyphenated words that appear in my textbook without correcting every hyphenated word indivisually? I have a reading assignment that is due on Monday, so any assistance would be greatly appreciated. 
>
> Thanks, 
> Elizabeth 
> _______________________________________________ 
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sun Sep 17 00:59:09 2017
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 00:59:09 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] A New Radio Station Is On The Horizon,
 Will You Join The Radio Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <CA+Wnc9RHH7kD33vcMbAGpvFTHyEWnnO1LT0dnYjoVsAgtr6i_Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+Wnc9RHH7kD33vcMbAGpvFTHyEWnnO1LT0dnYjoVsAgtr6i_Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BN4PR12MB0754C628517F20BF5EB61C47BA620@BN4PR12MB0754.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Hello David,

I do not see how this message advertising your new radio station along with a personal narrative about how it was created has anything to do with blindness or being a student. Therefore, I do not believe this message is appropriate for this email list. I believe the only time it would be appropriate for you to advertise your radio station on this email list would be when you are advertising specific NABS related events. Otherwise, your continued mass announcements about your radio station are simply not appropriate for this email list.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

for advertising specific NABS related events. 

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy via NABS-L
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 1:35 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: David Dunphy <discoduck221 at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] A New Radio Station Is On The Horizon, Will You Join The Radio Revolution?

Please consider passing this along to any friends you think would be
interested in being part of this new and up and coming radio project.
As a side note, we plan to carry Nabs events at convention, membership
calls and a whole lot more! So stay tuned and read below!

Thank you.
Hi All!
I'm here to announce that a new radio station is going to be born
soon. But to understand more, let me give you some quick background.
Internet radio is something that's been around for quite some time.
Fast connections and powerful computers and easy to use software have
made it possible for the average person to do a radio show about
anything; from music to talk and more.
I was actually fortunate enough to be able to run a station of my own
called Audio Access FM til 2013. Circumstances came up in my life that
forced me to give that station up.
For awhile, I began bouncing around to different radio projects, and
one thing was clear.
People on the various projects were doing a variety of things that
would take the fun out of radio. Whether it was playing favorites,
letting those who didn't work on the station into managerial meetings,
too many clicks, station owners not giving equal support to all their
djs, etc.
I decided I wanted to return to running a station. Despite my
controvertial radio past, I felt that the observing I have been doing
over the years plus growing up taught me a lot. Furthermore, I decided
I wanted to set a standard for radio that I believe could make it fun
again, at least for some people.
So my friends Will Ouellette, Clara Deitz, Chris Nusbaum and I decided
to get together to form a new station with a unique name and concept.
We want to change the standards and expectations of an online radio
station. We want people to know that radio can be fun, and that a
station can be an atmosphere where people feel welcome, there's no
drama, and everyone can have a good time while doing their best to put
on a quality show. There's a reason the broadcasting bug doesn't go
away for many of us who have been around for awhile. And that's cause
we know that if you have a nice mix of good people, professionalism
and the ability to have fun, being on a station with cool people can
be an amazing joy ride.
So since the station is on the internet, and the internet is world
wide, and there are 195 countries in the United Nations Charter, we
came up with 195 The Globe. And since we want to change expectations
about radio, our slogan is Welcome To The Radio Revolution.
This message is inviting you to either broadcast with us, or to follow
our journey to our launch date and beyond.
So if you'd like to apply to be a broadcaster, thus being part of this
new radio revolution, feel free to fill out our broadcaster
application right now at
http://www.195theglobe.com
The above address will soon be the home of our web site, but while we
work on it, this is where you can fill out our application.
Eventually, this application will be integrated into the web site. Our
site is being built with Wordpress to make it easy to find out about
what's going on, interact with djs and listeners, etc.
Not a broadcaster? No problem. You can follow our progress til launch
date by following
195_theglobe
on twitter.
Our facebook page and other forms of interaction will be coming soon.
I truly believe that this station will be unique and fun. We might not
be the biggest and most advanced, but we'll be innovative, fun-loving,
and there to entertain our listeners and make them happy.
So, if you want to join the radio revolution, apply at
http://www.195theglobe.com
or to follow the revolution, follow
195_theglobe
on twitter.
If you have any additional questions or want to talk about anything,
please email me at
ddunphy at 195theglobe.com
I hope to see you on our exciting revolutionary radio journey and beyond!
All the best,
David Dunphy

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From chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com  Sun Sep 17 01:06:44 2017
From: chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com (chelsea peahl)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 01:06:44 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Reading Through a Textbook
In-Reply-To: <BN4PR12MB0754D134C666A9E2078FFC3DBA620@BN4PR12MB0754.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN4PR12MB0754D134C666A9E2078FFC3DBA620@BN4PR12MB0754.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CY1PR1001MB1164DA310BDAC355271DCEA1E4620@CY1PR1001MB1164.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

Hi!
If the original text, as in the textbook, is hyphenated, then you'd have to individually do the editing. 

Chelsea Peahl

> On Sep 16, 2017, at 6:45 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I recently received one of my textbooks from the disabilities office. However, I was rather disappointed that I could not read through it rather easily due to a lot of hyphenated words that sound funky while using a screen reader. So I tried scanning the book on my own and got the same results. Does anyone know of an easy way to correct all the hyphenated words that appear in my textbook without correcting every hyphenated word indivisually? I have a reading assignment that is due on Monday, so any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelsea.peahl%40hotmail.com


From sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com  Sun Sep 17 01:09:25 2017
From: sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2017 21:09:25 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Reading Through a Textbook
In-Reply-To: <BN4PR12MB0754D134C666A9E2078FFC3DBA620@BN4PR12MB0754.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN4PR12MB0754D134C666A9E2078FFC3DBA620@BN4PR12MB0754.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <59bdcb47.85916b0a.73d99.b399@mx.google.com>

Hi Elizabeth,
Would it be possible to change your screen reader's punctuation settings to
"none" for a time? The words may still sound weird, but at least you won't
hear "-" every ten seconds...
I hope this helps,
Sarah

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Mohnke via NABS-L
Sent: September 16, 2017 8:44 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke
Subject: [nabs-l] Reading Through a Textbook

Hello All,

I recently received one of my textbooks from the disabilities office.
However, I was rather disappointed that I could not read through it rather
easily due to a lot of hyphenated words that sound funky while using a
screen reader. So I tried scanning the book on my own and got the same
results. Does anyone know of an easy way to correct all the hyphenated words
that appear in my textbook without correcting every hyphenated word
indivisually? I have a reading assignment that is due on Monday, so any
assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Elizabeth
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om



From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sun Sep 17 01:19:13 2017
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 01:19:13 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Reading Through a Textbook
In-Reply-To: <CY1PR1001MB1164DA310BDAC355271DCEA1E4620@CY1PR1001MB1164.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN4PR12MB0754D134C666A9E2078FFC3DBA620@BN4PR12MB0754.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
	<CY1PR1001MB1164DA310BDAC355271DCEA1E4620@CY1PR1001MB1164.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BN4PR12MB0754F4676DD61A14EE45BAB9BA620@BN4PR12MB0754.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Hello All,

Thank you for your responses. I greatly appreciate the immediate feedback.

However, It does not appear as though the hyphenated words are a part of the original text. There is enough of them that makes the text rather unreadable. Most of the hyphenated words appear on the same line of text. So it is not like the word is being split up because there is not enough room for it at the end of a line.

Reading the text in Braille is not an option for me. And even if it was an option for me, I would probably still be frustrated by the fact that it does not appear as though the format of the text is correct.

Thanks,
Elizabeth


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of chelsea peahl via NABS-L
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 9:07 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: chelsea peahl <chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reading Through a Textbook

Hi!
If the original text, as in the textbook, is hyphenated, then you'd have to individually do the editing. 

Chelsea Peahl

> On Sep 16, 2017, at 6:45 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I recently received one of my textbooks from the disabilities office. However, I was rather disappointed that I could not read through it rather easily due to a lot of hyphenated words that sound funky while using a screen reader. So I tried scanning the book on my own and got the same results. Does anyone know of an easy way to correct all the hyphenated words that appear in my textbook without correcting every hyphenated word indivisually? I have a reading assignment that is due on Monday, so any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
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From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Sun Sep 17 01:40:07 2017
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 03:40:07 +0200
Subject: [nabs-l] A New Radio Station Is On The Horizon,
 Will You Join The Radio Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <BN4PR12MB0754C628517F20BF5EB61C47BA620@BN4PR12MB0754.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CA+Wnc9RHH7kD33vcMbAGpvFTHyEWnnO1LT0dnYjoVsAgtr6i_Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<BN4PR12MB0754C628517F20BF5EB61C47BA620@BN4PR12MB0754.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <8BC8F262-A8D3-4DDE-BEFD-EFA7F4747D14@gmail.com>

I believe David has helped by streaming Nabs related events in the past, so it seems only natural to me that he lets everyone know that from now on he is going to be broadcasting from a new station. Occasionally I have seen other people on this list publicizing services that they offer and nobody seemed to have anything against it. David wasn’t asking for your money or for your help! He was letting you know that he is starting a new station, letting you know that if you want you can apply to be a DJ and also letting you know that in the future he would be broadcasting things that have to do with Nabs. Why so much anger?? If you don’t like it just don’t read it! I think the subject of the email was clear enough for you to delete it if you were not interested. If from now on we are going to be this strict then lots of content on this list is going to have to go away.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 17 Sep 2017, at 02:59, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello David,
> 
> I do not see how this message advertising your new radio station along with a personal narrative about how it was created has anything to do with blindness or being a student. Therefore, I do not believe this message is appropriate for this email list. I believe the only time it would be appropriate for you to advertise your radio station on this email list would be when you are advertising specific NABS related events. Otherwise, your continued mass announcements about your radio station are simply not appropriate for this email list.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> 
> for advertising specific NABS related events. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy via NABS-L
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 1:35 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: David Dunphy <discoduck221 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] A New Radio Station Is On The Horizon, Will You Join The Radio Revolution?
> 
> Please consider passing this along to any friends you think would be
> interested in being part of this new and up and coming radio project.
> As a side note, we plan to carry Nabs events at convention, membership
> calls and a whole lot more! So stay tuned and read below!
> 
> Thank you.
> Hi All!
> I'm here to announce that a new radio station is going to be born
> soon. But to understand more, let me give you some quick background.
> Internet radio is something that's been around for quite some time.
> Fast connections and powerful computers and easy to use software have
> made it possible for the average person to do a radio show about
> anything; from music to talk and more.
> I was actually fortunate enough to be able to run a station of my own
> called Audio Access FM til 2013. Circumstances came up in my life that
> forced me to give that station up.
> For awhile, I began bouncing around to different radio projects, and
> one thing was clear.
> People on the various projects were doing a variety of things that
> would take the fun out of radio. Whether it was playing favorites,
> letting those who didn't work on the station into managerial meetings,
> too many clicks, station owners not giving equal support to all their
> djs, etc.
> I decided I wanted to return to running a station. Despite my
> controvertial radio past, I felt that the observing I have been doing
> over the years plus growing up taught me a lot. Furthermore, I decided
> I wanted to set a standard for radio that I believe could make it fun
> again, at least for some people.
> So my friends Will Ouellette, Clara Deitz, Chris Nusbaum and I decided
> to get together to form a new station with a unique name and concept.
> We want to change the standards and expectations of an online radio
> station. We want people to know that radio can be fun, and that a
> station can be an atmosphere where people feel welcome, there's no
> drama, and everyone can have a good time while doing their best to put
> on a quality show. There's a reason the broadcasting bug doesn't go
> away for many of us who have been around for awhile. And that's cause
> we know that if you have a nice mix of good people, professionalism
> and the ability to have fun, being on a station with cool people can
> be an amazing joy ride.
> So since the station is on the internet, and the internet is world
> wide, and there are 195 countries in the United Nations Charter, we
> came up with 195 The Globe. And since we want to change expectations
> about radio, our slogan is Welcome To The Radio Revolution.
> This message is inviting you to either broadcast with us, or to follow
> our journey to our launch date and beyond.
> So if you'd like to apply to be a broadcaster, thus being part of this
> new radio revolution, feel free to fill out our broadcaster
> application right now at
> http://www.195theglobe.com
> The above address will soon be the home of our web site, but while we
> work on it, this is where you can fill out our application.
> Eventually, this application will be integrated into the web site. Our
> site is being built with Wordpress to make it easy to find out about
> what's going on, interact with djs and listeners, etc.
> Not a broadcaster? No problem. You can follow our progress til launch
> date by following
> 195_theglobe
> on twitter.
> Our facebook page and other forms of interaction will be coming soon.
> I truly believe that this station will be unique and fun. We might not
> be the biggest and most advanced, but we'll be innovative, fun-loving,
> and there to entertain our listeners and make them happy.
> So, if you want to join the radio revolution, apply at
> http://www.195theglobe.com
> or to follow the revolution, follow
> 195_theglobe
> on twitter.
> If you have any additional questions or want to talk about anything,
> please email me at
> ddunphy at 195theglobe.com
> I hope to see you on our exciting revolutionary radio journey and beyond!
> All the best,
> David Dunphy
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com
> 
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From ropermeaghan at gmail.com  Sun Sep 17 02:25:01 2017
From: ropermeaghan at gmail.com (Roper, Meaghan)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2017 22:25:01 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A New Radio Station Is On The Horizon,
 Will You Join The Radio Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <8BC8F262-A8D3-4DDE-BEFD-EFA7F4747D14@gmail.com>
References: <CA+Wnc9RHH7kD33vcMbAGpvFTHyEWnnO1LT0dnYjoVsAgtr6i_Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<BN4PR12MB0754C628517F20BF5EB61C47BA620@BN4PR12MB0754.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
	<8BC8F262-A8D3-4DDE-BEFD-EFA7F4747D14@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0903E987-4F47-4D9A-8557-51888AB55863@gmail.com>

It sounds to me like david and   195 The Globe are promoting the possibility of internship opportunities or work opportunities with the radio station. That sounds to me like a fantastic opportunity for blind and visually impaired students interested in radio or communications and media services.

Thank you for sharing David, and good luck with this new station.

Best, 

Meaghan Roper
Wheelock college | Class of 2018

> On Sep 16, 2017, at 9:40 PM, Ignasi Cambra via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I believe David has helped by streaming Nabs related events in the past, so it seems only natural to me that he lets everyone know that from now on he is going to be broadcasting from a new station. Occasionally I have seen other people on this list publicizing services that they offer and nobody seemed to have anything against it. David wasn’t asking for your money or for your help! He was letting you know that he is starting a new station, letting you know that if you want you can apply to be a DJ and also letting you know that in the future he would be broadcasting things that have to do with Nabs. Why so much anger?? If you don’t like it just don’t read it! I think the subject of the email was clear enough for you to delete it if you were not interested. If from now on we are going to be this strict then lots of content on this list is going to have to go away.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 17 Sep 2017, at 02:59, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello David,
>> 
>> I do not see how this message advertising your new radio station along with a personal narrative about how it was created has anything to do with blindness or being a student. Therefore, I do not believe this message is appropriate for this email list. I believe the only time it would be appropriate for you to advertise your radio station on this email list would be when you are advertising specific NABS related events. Otherwise, your continued mass announcements about your radio station are simply not appropriate for this email list.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> Elizabeth
>> 
>> for advertising specific NABS related events. 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy via NABS-L
>> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 1:35 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: David Dunphy <discoduck221 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] A New Radio Station Is On The Horizon, Will You Join The Radio Revolution?
>> 
>> Please consider passing this along to any friends you think would be
>> interested in being part of this new and up and coming radio project.
>> As a side note, we plan to carry Nabs events at convention, membership
>> calls and a whole lot more! So stay tuned and read below!
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> Hi All!
>> I'm here to announce that a new radio station is going to be born
>> soon. But to understand more, let me give you some quick background.
>> Internet radio is something that's been around for quite some time.
>> Fast connections and powerful computers and easy to use software have
>> made it possible for the average person to do a radio show about
>> anything; from music to talk and more.
>> I was actually fortunate enough to be able to run a station of my own
>> called Audio Access FM til 2013. Circumstances came up in my life that
>> forced me to give that station up.
>> For awhile, I began bouncing around to different radio projects, and
>> one thing was clear.
>> People on the various projects were doing a variety of things that
>> would take the fun out of radio. Whether it was playing favorites,
>> letting those who didn't work on the station into managerial meetings,
>> too many clicks, station owners not giving equal support to all their
>> djs, etc.
>> I decided I wanted to return to running a station. Despite my
>> controvertial radio past, I felt that the observing I have been doing
>> over the years plus growing up taught me a lot. Furthermore, I decided
>> I wanted to set a standard for radio that I believe could make it fun
>> again, at least for some people.
>> So my friends Will Ouellette, Clara Deitz, Chris Nusbaum and I decided
>> to get together to form a new station with a unique name and concept.
>> We want to change the standards and expectations of an online radio
>> station. We want people to know that radio can be fun, and that a
>> station can be an atmosphere where people feel welcome, there's no
>> drama, and everyone can have a good time while doing their best to put
>> on a quality show. There's a reason the broadcasting bug doesn't go
>> away for many of us who have been around for awhile. And that's cause
>> we know that if you have a nice mix of good people, professionalism
>> and the ability to have fun, being on a station with cool people can
>> be an amazing joy ride.
>> So since the station is on the internet, and the internet is world
>> wide, and there are 195 countries in the United Nations Charter, we
>> came up with 195 The Globe. And since we want to change expectations
>> about radio, our slogan is Welcome To The Radio Revolution.
>> This message is inviting you to either broadcast with us, or to follow
>> our journey to our launch date and beyond.
>> So if you'd like to apply to be a broadcaster, thus being part of this
>> new radio revolution, feel free to fill out our broadcaster
>> application right now at
>> http://www.195theglobe.com
>> The above address will soon be the home of our web site, but while we
>> work on it, this is where you can fill out our application.
>> Eventually, this application will be integrated into the web site. Our
>> site is being built with Wordpress to make it easy to find out about
>> what's going on, interact with djs and listeners, etc.
>> Not a broadcaster? No problem. You can follow our progress til launch
>> date by following
>> 195_theglobe
>> on twitter.
>> Our facebook page and other forms of interaction will be coming soon.
>> I truly believe that this station will be unique and fun. We might not
>> be the biggest and most advanced, but we'll be innovative, fun-loving,
>> and there to entertain our listeners and make them happy.
>> So, if you want to join the radio revolution, apply at
>> http://www.195theglobe.com
>> or to follow the revolution, follow
>> 195_theglobe
>> on twitter.
>> If you have any additional questions or want to talk about anything,
>> please email me at
>> ddunphy at 195theglobe.com
>> I hope to see you on our exciting revolutionary radio journey and beyond!
>> All the best,
>> David Dunphy
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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From keribcu at gmail.com  Sun Sep 17 02:42:30 2017
From: keribcu at gmail.com (Keri Svendsen)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2017 22:42:30 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Reading Through a Textbook
In-Reply-To: <BN4PR12MB0754F4676DD61A14EE45BAB9BA620@BN4PR12MB0754.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN4PR12MB0754D134C666A9E2078FFC3DBA620@BN4PR12MB0754.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
	<CY1PR1001MB1164DA310BDAC355271DCEA1E4620@CY1PR1001MB1164.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
	<BN4PR12MB0754F4676DD61A14EE45BAB9BA620@BN4PR12MB0754.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <07a1d0bd-5b8c-ec43-cc0c-b4e5436a4f51@gmail.com>

hello,


Many authors do funky things to texts like overusing hyphenates to make 
some points.

It sounds like this is the case, since no OCR I've ever seen adds in 
extra -s


thanks,
On 9/16/2017 9:19 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> Thank you for your responses. I greatly appreciate the immediate feedback.
>
> However, It does not appear as though the hyphenated words are a part of the original text. There is enough of them that makes the text rather unreadable. Most of the hyphenated words appear on the same line of text. So it is not like the word is being split up because there is not enough room for it at the end of a line.
>
> Reading the text in Braille is not an option for me. And even if it was an option for me, I would probably still be frustrated by the fact that it does not appear as though the format of the text is correct.
>
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of chelsea peahl via NABS-L
> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 9:07 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: chelsea peahl <chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reading Through a Textbook
>
> Hi!
> If the original text, as in the textbook, is hyphenated, then you'd have to individually do the editing.
>
> Chelsea Peahl
>
>> On Sep 16, 2017, at 6:45 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I recently received one of my textbooks from the disabilities office. However, I was rather disappointed that I could not read through it rather easily due to a lot of hyphenated words that sound funky while using a screen reader. So I tried scanning the book on my own and got the same results. Does anyone know of an easy way to correct all the hyphenated words that appear in my textbook without correcting every hyphenated word indivisually? I have a reading assignment that is due on Monday, so any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Elizabeth
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Sun Sep 17 05:31:27 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2017 22:31:27 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Reading Through a Textbook
In-Reply-To: <BN4PR12MB0754D134C666A9E2078FFC3DBA620@BN4PR12MB0754.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN4PR12MB0754D134C666A9E2078FFC3DBA620@BN4PR12MB0754.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <2FB644A9-6F26-40E7-95FC-BD980A5BA542@gmail.com>

Hi Elizabeth,
Is the book you are reading in PDF format? I find that often, with scanned PDF's, there are lots of errors when the Disability Services scan it.
Here are some things you could try:
1. Ibooks. I know that sometimes these books can be expensive, like up to 20 dollars but it is worth a try if Bookshare or NLS don't have them. It makes the book very easy to read.
2. Asking a friend to help you read the parts you need. You can repay them by buying them something like food or coffee or by helping in some other way.
If worse comes to worse and I had no other options, I would just try reading as best I could the PDF.
Vejas 

> On Sep 16, 2017, at 17:44, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I recently received one of my textbooks from the disabilities office. However, I was rather disappointed that I could not read through it rather easily due to a lot of hyphenated words that sound funky while using a screen reader. So I tried scanning the book on my own and got the same results. Does anyone know of an easy way to correct all the hyphenated words that appear in my textbook without correcting every hyphenated word indivisually? I have a reading assignment that is due on Monday, so any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
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From discoduck221 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 17 17:29:03 2017
From: discoduck221 at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 13:29:03 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A New Radio Station Is On The Horizon,
 Will You Join The Radio Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <a6b8a3b0-a585-cff0-ad1e-4f2ac3abc2d7@tysdomain.com>
References: <CA+Wnc9RHH7kD33vcMbAGpvFTHyEWnnO1LT0dnYjoVsAgtr6i_Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<a6b8a3b0-a585-cff0-ad1e-4f2ac3abc2d7@tysdomain.com>
Message-ID: <CA+Wnc9Qp1z6W8G+ZYK8PzyhOaFCJW7O=Fo9gYdKdnJvqgQ+aEw@mail.gmail.com>

This station will be responsible for covering nabs events, calls,
convention stuff, etc. So it's quite appropriate for it to being
posted here. Maybe I should send you a reminder everyday Tyler about
the station. If Nabs wasn't being covered, that would be one thing.
But it is, so you're not the police, get a life, and obviously you and
Elizabeth are incapable of being objective over this, so just don't
say anything any longer.

On 9/15/17, Littlefield, Tyler via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Where is the moderator. A couple years ago he was told that his radio
> spam does not belong on this list--why is it here now?
> On 9/15/2017 1:35 AM, David Dunphy via NABS-L wrote:
>> Please consider passing this along to any friends you think would be
>> interested in being part of this new and up and coming radio project.
>> As a side note, we plan to carry Nabs events at convention, membership
>> calls and a whole lot more! So stay tuned and read below!
>>
>> Thank you.
>> Hi All!
>> I'm here to announce that a new radio station is going to be born
>> soon. But to understand more, let me give you some quick background.
>> Internet radio is something that's been around for quite some time.
>> Fast connections and powerful computers and easy to use software have
>> made it possible for the average person to do a radio show about
>> anything; from music to talk and more.
>> I was actually fortunate enough to be able to run a station of my own
>> called Audio Access FM til 2013. Circumstances came up in my life that
>> forced me to give that station up.
>> For awhile, I began bouncing around to different radio projects, and
>> one thing was clear.
>> People on the various projects were doing a variety of things that
>> would take the fun out of radio. Whether it was playing favorites,
>> letting those who didn't work on the station into managerial meetings,
>> too many clicks, station owners not giving equal support to all their
>> djs, etc.
>> I decided I wanted to return to running a station. Despite my
>> controvertial radio past, I felt that the observing I have been doing
>> over the years plus growing up taught me a lot. Furthermore, I decided
>> I wanted to set a standard for radio that I believe could make it fun
>> again, at least for some people.
>> So my friends Will Ouellette, Clara Deitz, Chris Nusbaum and I decided
>> to get together to form a new station with a unique name and concept.
>> We want to change the standards and expectations of an online radio
>> station. We want people to know that radio can be fun, and that a
>> station can be an atmosphere where people feel welcome, there's no
>> drama, and everyone can have a good time while doing their best to put
>> on a quality show. There's a reason the broadcasting bug doesn't go
>> away for many of us who have been around for awhile. And that's cause
>> we know that if you have a nice mix of good people, professionalism
>> and the ability to have fun, being on a station with cool people can
>> be an amazing joy ride.
>> So since the station is on the internet, and the internet is world
>> wide, and there are 195 countries in the United Nations Charter, we
>> came up with 195 The Globe. And since we want to change expectations
>> about radio, our slogan is Welcome To The Radio Revolution.
>> This message is inviting you to either broadcast with us, or to follow
>> our journey to our launch date and beyond.
>> So if you'd like to apply to be a broadcaster, thus being part of this
>> new radio revolution, feel free to fill out our broadcaster
>> application right now at
>> http://www.195theglobe.com
>> The above address will soon be the home of our web site, but while we
>> work on it, this is where you can fill out our application.
>> Eventually, this application will be integrated into the web site. Our
>> site is being built with Wordpress to make it easy to find out about
>> what's going on, interact with djs and listeners, etc.
>> Not a broadcaster? No problem. You can follow our progress til launch
>> date by following
>> 195_theglobe
>> on twitter.
>> Our facebook page and other forms of interaction will be coming soon.
>> I truly believe that this station will be unique and fun. We might not
>> be the biggest and most advanced, but we'll be innovative, fun-loving,
>> and there to entertain our listeners and make them happy.
>> So, if you want to join the radio revolution, apply at
>> http://www.195theglobe.com
>> or to follow the revolution, follow
>> 195_theglobe
>> on twitter.
>> If you have any additional questions or want to talk about anything,
>> please email me at
>> ddunphy at 195theglobe.com
>> I hope to see you on our exciting revolutionary radio journey and beyond!
>> All the best,
>> David Dunphy
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> --
>
> Take Care,
> Tyler Littlefield
>
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From syedrizvinfb at gmail.com  Sun Sep 17 19:41:34 2017
From: syedrizvinfb at gmail.com (Syed Rizvi)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 14:41:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Legislative Advocacy Committee Followup,
 Seeking Legislative Liaisons
Message-ID: <97520345-B286-4497-8136-525D6AD0B373@gmail.com>

Dear Students,
As a follow up to last Tuesday's call, and as an invitation to any student who seeks to become involved in the legislation that affects them, please reply to this email with your full name, email, phone number, home state, school state and a list of three states you wish to work with on legislative goals.
Sincerely,
   Syed Rizvi
2nd Vice President National Association of Blind Students 
Email: SyedRizviNFB at GMail.com 
Phone: 413-250-3523 

From gpaikens at gmail.com  Sun Sep 17 21:27:38 2017
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (gpaikens at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 17:27:38 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Reading Through a Textbook
In-Reply-To: <BN4PR12MB0754D134C666A9E2078FFC3DBA620@BN4PR12MB0754.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN4PR12MB0754D134C666A9E2078FFC3DBA620@BN4PR12MB0754.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <000501d32ffb$c9737480$5c5a5d80$@gmail.com>

If it is in Word, could you try a Find and Replace? Put the hyphen the Find
box and leave the Replace box blank. That will replace every - with nothing,
removing the hyphens. This is an admittedly extreme approach because it will
also eliminate times when you might want to have a hyphen, but maybe it will
work for what you need.

-Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Mohnke via NABS-L
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 8:44 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Reading Through a Textbook

Hello All,

I recently received one of my textbooks from the disabilities office.
However, I was rather disappointed that I could not read through it rather
easily due to a lot of hyphenated words that sound funky while using a
screen reader. So I tried scanning the book on my own and got the same
results. Does anyone know of an easy way to correct all the hyphenated words
that appear in my textbook without correcting every hyphenated word
indivisually? I have a reading assignment that is due on Monday, so any
assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Elizabeth
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From jfranks at nfbtx.org  Sun Sep 17 21:49:34 2017
From: jfranks at nfbtx.org (Jonathan Franks)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 16:49:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Legislative Advocacy Committee Followup,
 Seeking Legislative Liaisons
In-Reply-To: <97520345-B286-4497-8136-525D6AD0B373@gmail.com>
References: <97520345-B286-4497-8136-525D6AD0B373@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2BFD44A6-D015-439C-8D50-3D14A994A427@nfbtx.org>

Jonathan franks
jfranks at nfbtx.org
512-569-2522
Texas
Texas, California, Pennsylvania 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2017, at 2:41 PM, Syed Rizvi via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Students,
> As a follow up to last Tuesday's call, and as an invitation to any student who seeks to become involved in the legislation that affects them, please reply to this email with your full name, email, phone number, home state, school state and a list of three states you wish to work with on legislative goals.
> Sincerely,
>   Syed Rizvi
> 2nd Vice President National Association of Blind Students 
> Email: SyedRizviNFB at GMail.com 
> Phone: 413-250-3523 
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Sun Sep 17 23:56:00 2017
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 19:56:00 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A New Radio Station Is On The Horizon,
 Will You Join The Radio Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <8BC8F262-A8D3-4DDE-BEFD-EFA7F4747D14@gmail.com>
References: <CA+Wnc9RHH7kD33vcMbAGpvFTHyEWnnO1LT0dnYjoVsAgtr6i_Q@mail.gmail.com>	<BN4PR12MB0754C628517F20BF5EB61C47BA620@BN4PR12MB0754.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
	<8BC8F262-A8D3-4DDE-BEFD-EFA7F4747D14@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001101d33010$841ed720$8c5c8560$@gmail.com>

Friends:

As is usual, I have to be careful here. As some of you may know, I'm directly involved with The Globe as a member of its management team, so I now face the challenge of trying to say what I need to say without letting my comments become unnecessarily emotional because of my personal attachment to the project. With that said, I would offer one general comment for the consideration of the group.

When I began my radio career, I learned about an oft-quoted saying in the industry which goes like this: "If you don't like the show, change the station." This mantra is most often used by station managers to respond to listeners who complain about a program which is perfectly aligned with the rules of the station, but which just doesn't sound good to the complainant. However, I have learned that this principle can apply to most areas of life. There are a number of things I don't like--certain songs, certain movies, or even certain opinions posted on this list and others. I have a right to this feeling, as does everyone else. But I now have a choice: Will I continue to badger the people whose words or actions I don't like until they fall into submission, or will I just turn away from that which I don't like and stick with that which I do like? I have found the most happiness and peace in my life when I do the latter.

So let us remember that this list is a public one. When we join it, we must do so with the understanding that there will be posts we don't like to read. If we feel that a post is so inappropriate as to require action from a moderator, we should privately ask the moderator to take such action. The moderator will then determine what action (if any) should be taken, as is his duty. In the meantime, we should remember that we are not here as watchdogs; we are here as contributors. In that spirit, let us all (myself included) remember to change the metaphorical station when we don't like what is played on it.

My two cents,

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ignasi Cambra via NABS-L
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 9:40 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A New Radio Station Is On The Horizon, Will You Join The Radio Revolution?

I believe David has helped by streaming Nabs related events in the past, so it seems only natural to me that he lets everyone know that from now on he is going to be broadcasting from a new station. Occasionally I have seen other people on this list publicizing services that they offer and nobody seemed to have anything against it. David wasn’t asking for your money or for your help! He was letting you know that he is starting a new station, letting you know that if you want you can apply to be a DJ and also letting you know that in the future he would be broadcasting things that have to do with Nabs. Why so much anger?? If you don’t like it just don’t read it! I think the subject of the email was clear enough for you to delete it if you were not interested. If from now on we are going to be this strict then lots of content on this list is going to have to go away.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 17 Sep 2017, at 02:59, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello David,
> 
> I do not see how this message advertising your new radio station along with a personal narrative about how it was created has anything to do with blindness or being a student. Therefore, I do not believe this message is appropriate for this email list. I believe the only time it would be appropriate for you to advertise your radio station on this email list would be when you are advertising specific NABS related events. Otherwise, your continued mass announcements about your radio station are simply not appropriate for this email list.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> 
> for advertising specific NABS related events. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David 
> Dunphy via NABS-L
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 1:35 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: David Dunphy <discoduck221 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] A New Radio Station Is On The Horizon, Will You Join The Radio Revolution?
> 
> Please consider passing this along to any friends you think would be 
> interested in being part of this new and up and coming radio project.
> As a side note, we plan to carry Nabs events at convention, membership 
> calls and a whole lot more! So stay tuned and read below!
> 
> Thank you.
> Hi All!
> I'm here to announce that a new radio station is going to be born 
> soon. But to understand more, let me give you some quick background.
> Internet radio is something that's been around for quite some time.
> Fast connections and powerful computers and easy to use software have 
> made it possible for the average person to do a radio show about 
> anything; from music to talk and more.
> I was actually fortunate enough to be able to run a station of my own 
> called Audio Access FM til 2013. Circumstances came up in my life that 
> forced me to give that station up.
> For awhile, I began bouncing around to different radio projects, and 
> one thing was clear.
> People on the various projects were doing a variety of things that 
> would take the fun out of radio. Whether it was playing favorites, 
> letting those who didn't work on the station into managerial meetings, 
> too many clicks, station owners not giving equal support to all their 
> djs, etc.
> I decided I wanted to return to running a station. Despite my 
> controvertial radio past, I felt that the observing I have been doing 
> over the years plus growing up taught me a lot. Furthermore, I decided 
> I wanted to set a standard for radio that I believe could make it fun 
> again, at least for some people.
> So my friends Will Ouellette, Clara Deitz, Chris Nusbaum and I decided 
> to get together to form a new station with a unique name and concept.
> We want to change the standards and expectations of an online radio 
> station. We want people to know that radio can be fun, and that a 
> station can be an atmosphere where people feel welcome, there's no 
> drama, and everyone can have a good time while doing their best to put 
> on a quality show. There's a reason the broadcasting bug doesn't go 
> away for many of us who have been around for awhile. And that's cause 
> we know that if you have a nice mix of good people, professionalism 
> and the ability to have fun, being on a station with cool people can 
> be an amazing joy ride.
> So since the station is on the internet, and the internet is world 
> wide, and there are 195 countries in the United Nations Charter, we 
> came up with 195 The Globe. And since we want to change expectations 
> about radio, our slogan is Welcome To The Radio Revolution.
> This message is inviting you to either broadcast with us, or to follow 
> our journey to our launch date and beyond.
> So if you'd like to apply to be a broadcaster, thus being part of this 
> new radio revolution, feel free to fill out our broadcaster 
> application right now at http://www.195theglobe.com The above address 
> will soon be the home of our web site, but while we work on it, this 
> is where you can fill out our application.
> Eventually, this application will be integrated into the web site. Our 
> site is being built with Wordpress to make it easy to find out about 
> what's going on, interact with djs and listeners, etc.
> Not a broadcaster? No problem. You can follow our progress til launch 
> date by following 195_theglobe on twitter.
> Our facebook page and other forms of interaction will be coming soon.
> I truly believe that this station will be unique and fun. We might not 
> be the biggest and most advanced, but we'll be innovative, fun-loving, 
> and there to entertain our listeners and make them happy.
> So, if you want to join the radio revolution, apply at 
> http://www.195theglobe.com or to follow the revolution, follow 
> 195_theglobe on twitter.
> If you have any additional questions or want to talk about anything, 
> please email me at ddunphy at 195theglobe.com I hope to see you on our 
> exciting revolutionary radio journey and beyond!
> All the best,
> David Dunphy
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmai
> l.com
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 00:03:39 2017
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 20:03:39 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Reading Through a Textbook
In-Reply-To: <BN4PR12MB0754D134C666A9E2078FFC3DBA620@BN4PR12MB0754.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN4PR12MB0754D134C666A9E2078FFC3DBA620@BN4PR12MB0754.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <001201d33011$9747d1c0$c5d77540$@gmail.com>

Elizabeth:

Sarah's idea would probably be a good immediate resolution to your problem.
I have my punctuation set to "some" for that very reason. Also, have you
tried telling JAWS to "say all" using JAWS key + down arrow? This would
likely help you put the hyphenated words together. If you need to look more
closely at a part of the text for whatever reason, you can always stop JAWS
with the control key and then put it back in "say all" mode with JAWS key +
down arrow.

Hope this helps,

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Mohnke via NABS-L
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 8:44 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Reading Through a Textbook

Hello All,

I recently received one of my textbooks from the disabilities office.
However, I was rather disappointed that I could not read through it rather
easily due to a lot of hyphenated words that sound funky while using a
screen reader. So I tried scanning the book on my own and got the same
results. Does anyone know of an easy way to correct all the hyphenated words
that appear in my textbook without correcting every hyphenated word
indivisually? I have a reading assignment that is due on Monday, so any
assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Elizabeth
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From matthewhgip at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 00:25:49 2017
From: matthewhgip at gmail.com (Matthew Gip)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 17:25:49 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Minnesota Membership Call Reminder
Message-ID: <2B1CF97E-FE87-4D52-8A7E-7F7AAE2E11E7@gmail.com>

Hello students, 

I would like to take this time to invite you all to the Minnesota membership call hosted by the Minnesota Association of Blind Students. The call will be held tonight at 9 EST and we will be discussing the amazing use of technology and how you can properly use it to be successful in school. Everyone is welcome; you don't have to be in Minnesota to attend this call. Here is how you can call in: 
Call-in number: (641) 715-3276
Access code: 6326673

Best regards, 
Matthew Gip
1st Vice President, Minnesota Association of Blind Students

Sent from my iPhone

From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 18 02:45:03 2017
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 02:45:03 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] A New Radio Station Is On The Horizon,
 Will You Join The Radio Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <0903E987-4F47-4D9A-8557-51888AB55863@gmail.com>
References: <CA+Wnc9RHH7kD33vcMbAGpvFTHyEWnnO1LT0dnYjoVsAgtr6i_Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<BN4PR12MB0754C628517F20BF5EB61C47BA620@BN4PR12MB0754.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
	<8BC8F262-A8D3-4DDE-BEFD-EFA7F4747D14@gmail.com>,
	<0903E987-4F47-4D9A-8557-51888AB55863@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SN1PR10MB0592C95F086A5E38E4C3B5B2DC630@SN1PR10MB0592.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

Agreed and, I think he may have mentioned Nabs in the original posting. Why not, college students and other students like radio. I did not find the original message to be spam in nature. If anything, it can serve as something positive to inspire someone like a young JHS or High School student to consider radio when they maybe getting negative messages from uninformed uneducated people about what can be done by other blind and visually impaired people. Good luck with this and, I plan to follow things as they proceed.


Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 16, 2017, at 22:26, Roper, Meaghan via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> It sounds to me like david and   195 The Globe are promoting the possibility of internship opportunities or work opportunities with the radio station. That sounds to me like a fantastic opportunity for blind and visually impaired students interested in radio or communications and media services.
> 
> Thank you for sharing David, and good luck with this new station.
> 
> Best, 
> 
> Meaghan Roper
> Wheelock college | Class of 2018
> 
>> On Sep 16, 2017, at 9:40 PM, Ignasi Cambra via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I believe David has helped by streaming Nabs related events in the past, so it seems only natural to me that he lets everyone know that from now on he is going to be broadcasting from a new station. Occasionally I have seen other people on this list publicizing services that they offer and nobody seemed to have anything against it. David wasn’t asking for your money or for your help! He was letting you know that he is starting a new station, letting you know that if you want you can apply to be a DJ and also letting you know that in the future he would be broadcasting things that have to do with Nabs. Why so much anger?? If you don’t like it just don’t read it! I think the subject of the email was clear enough for you to delete it if you were not interested. If from now on we are going to be this strict then lots of content on this list is going to have to go away.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 17 Sep 2017, at 02:59, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello David,
>>> 
>>> I do not see how this message advertising your new radio station along with a personal narrative about how it was created has anything to do with blindness or being a student. Therefore, I do not believe this message is appropriate for this email list. I believe the only time it would be appropriate for you to advertise your radio station on this email list would be when you are advertising specific NABS related events. Otherwise, your continued mass announcements about your radio station are simply not appropriate for this email list.
>>> 
>>> Warm regards,
>>> Elizabeth
>>> 
>>> for advertising specific NABS related events. 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy via NABS-L
>>> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 1:35 AM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: David Dunphy <discoduck221 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] A New Radio Station Is On The Horizon, Will You Join The Radio Revolution?
>>> 
>>> Please consider passing this along to any friends you think would be
>>> interested in being part of this new and up and coming radio project.
>>> As a side note, we plan to carry Nabs events at convention, membership
>>> calls and a whole lot more! So stay tuned and read below!
>>> 
>>> Thank you.
>>> Hi All!
>>> I'm here to announce that a new radio station is going to be born
>>> soon. But to understand more, let me give you some quick background.
>>> Internet radio is something that's been around for quite some time.
>>> Fast connections and powerful computers and easy to use software have
>>> made it possible for the average person to do a radio show about
>>> anything; from music to talk and more.
>>> I was actually fortunate enough to be able to run a station of my own
>>> called Audio Access FM til 2013. Circumstances came up in my life that
>>> forced me to give that station up.
>>> For awhile, I began bouncing around to different radio projects, and
>>> one thing was clear.
>>> People on the various projects were doing a variety of things that
>>> would take the fun out of radio. Whether it was playing favorites,
>>> letting those who didn't work on the station into managerial meetings,
>>> too many clicks, station owners not giving equal support to all their
>>> djs, etc.
>>> I decided I wanted to return to running a station. Despite my
>>> controvertial radio past, I felt that the observing I have been doing
>>> over the years plus growing up taught me a lot. Furthermore, I decided
>>> I wanted to set a standard for radio that I believe could make it fun
>>> again, at least for some people.
>>> So my friends Will Ouellette, Clara Deitz, Chris Nusbaum and I decided
>>> to get together to form a new station with a unique name and concept.
>>> We want to change the standards and expectations of an online radio
>>> station. We want people to know that radio can be fun, and that a
>>> station can be an atmosphere where people feel welcome, there's no
>>> drama, and everyone can have a good time while doing their best to put
>>> on a quality show. There's a reason the broadcasting bug doesn't go
>>> away for many of us who have been around for awhile. And that's cause
>>> we know that if you have a nice mix of good people, professionalism
>>> and the ability to have fun, being on a station with cool people can
>>> be an amazing joy ride.
>>> So since the station is on the internet, and the internet is world
>>> wide, and there are 195 countries in the United Nations Charter, we
>>> came up with 195 The Globe. And since we want to change expectations
>>> about radio, our slogan is Welcome To The Radio Revolution.
>>> This message is inviting you to either broadcast with us, or to follow
>>> our journey to our launch date and beyond.
>>> So if you'd like to apply to be a broadcaster, thus being part of this
>>> new radio revolution, feel free to fill out our broadcaster
>>> application right now at
>>> http://www.195theglobe.com
>>> The above address will soon be the home of our web site, but while we
>>> work on it, this is where you can fill out our application.
>>> Eventually, this application will be integrated into the web site. Our
>>> site is being built with Wordpress to make it easy to find out about
>>> what's going on, interact with djs and listeners, etc.
>>> Not a broadcaster? No problem. You can follow our progress til launch
>>> date by following
>>> 195_theglobe
>>> on twitter.
>>> Our facebook page and other forms of interaction will be coming soon.
>>> I truly believe that this station will be unique and fun. We might not
>>> be the biggest and most advanced, but we'll be innovative, fun-loving,
>>> and there to entertain our listeners and make them happy.
>>> So, if you want to join the radio revolution, apply at
>>> http://www.195theglobe.com
>>> or to follow the revolution, follow
>>> 195_theglobe
>>> on twitter.
>>> If you have any additional questions or want to talk about anything,
>>> please email me at
>>> ddunphy at 195theglobe.com
>>> I hope to see you on our exciting revolutionary radio journey and beyond!
>>> All the best,
>>> David Dunphy
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com
>>> 
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>> 
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From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 18 02:47:23 2017
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 02:47:23 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] A question:
In-Reply-To: <0903E987-4F47-4D9A-8557-51888AB55863@gmail.com>
References: <CA+Wnc9RHH7kD33vcMbAGpvFTHyEWnnO1LT0dnYjoVsAgtr6i_Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<BN4PR12MB0754C628517F20BF5EB61C47BA620@BN4PR12MB0754.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
	<8BC8F262-A8D3-4DDE-BEFD-EFA7F4747D14@gmail.com>,
	<0903E987-4F47-4D9A-8557-51888AB55863@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SN1PR10MB0592B8C08AE192C609AC1A7BDC630@SN1PR10MB0592.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

Assuming the below is not really appropriate for this list as some suggested, is there another area on nfb.net where this can be discussed?



Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 16, 2017, at 22:26, Roper, Meaghan via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> It sounds to me like david and   195 The Globe are promoting the possibility of internship opportunities or work opportunities with the radio station. That sounds to me like a fantastic opportunity for blind and visually impaired students interested in radio or communications and media services.
> 
> Thank you for sharing David, and good luck with this new station.
> 
> Best, 
> 
> Meaghan Roper
> Wheelock college | Class of 2018
> 
>> On Sep 16, 2017, at 9:40 PM, Ignasi Cambra via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I believe David has helped by streaming Nabs related events in the past, so it seems only natural to me that he lets everyone know that from now on he is going to be broadcasting from a new station. Occasionally I have seen other people on this list publicizing services that they offer and nobody seemed to have anything against it. David wasn’t asking for your money or for your help! He was letting you know that he is starting a new station, letting you know that if you want you can apply to be a DJ and also letting you know that in the future he would be broadcasting things that have to do with Nabs. Why so much anger?? If you don’t like it just don’t read it! I think the subject of the email was clear enough for you to delete it if you were not interested. If from now on we are going to be this strict then lots of content on this list is going to have to go away.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 17 Sep 2017, at 02:59, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello David,
>>> 
>>> I do not see how this message advertising your new radio station along with a personal narrative about how it was created has anything to do with blindness or being a student. Therefore, I do not believe this message is appropriate for this email list. I believe the only time it would be appropriate for you to advertise your radio station on this email list would be when you are advertising specific NABS related events. Otherwise, your continued mass announcements about your radio station are simply not appropriate for this email list.
>>> 
>>> Warm regards,
>>> Elizabeth
>>> 
>>> for advertising specific NABS related events. 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy via NABS-L
>>> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 1:35 AM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: David Dunphy <discoduck221 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] A New Radio Station Is On The Horizon, Will You Join The Radio Revolution?
>>> 
>>> Please consider passing this along to any friends you think would be
>>> interested in being part of this new and up and coming radio project.
>>> As a side note, we plan to carry Nabs events at convention, membership
>>> calls and a whole lot more! So stay tuned and read below!
>>> 
>>> Thank you.
>>> Hi All!
>>> I'm here to announce that a new radio station is going to be born
>>> soon. But to understand more, let me give you some quick background.
>>> Internet radio is something that's been around for quite some time.
>>> Fast connections and powerful computers and easy to use software have
>>> made it possible for the average person to do a radio show about
>>> anything; from music to talk and more.
>>> I was actually fortunate enough to be able to run a station of my own
>>> called Audio Access FM til 2013. Circumstances came up in my life that
>>> forced me to give that station up.
>>> For awhile, I began bouncing around to different radio projects, and
>>> one thing was clear.
>>> People on the various projects were doing a variety of things that
>>> would take the fun out of radio. Whether it was playing favorites,
>>> letting those who didn't work on the station into managerial meetings,
>>> too many clicks, station owners not giving equal support to all their
>>> djs, etc.
>>> I decided I wanted to return to running a station. Despite my
>>> controvertial radio past, I felt that the observing I have been doing
>>> over the years plus growing up taught me a lot. Furthermore, I decided
>>> I wanted to set a standard for radio that I believe could make it fun
>>> again, at least for some people.
>>> So my friends Will Ouellette, Clara Deitz, Chris Nusbaum and I decided
>>> to get together to form a new station with a unique name and concept.
>>> We want to change the standards and expectations of an online radio
>>> station. We want people to know that radio can be fun, and that a
>>> station can be an atmosphere where people feel welcome, there's no
>>> drama, and everyone can have a good time while doing their best to put
>>> on a quality show. There's a reason the broadcasting bug doesn't go
>>> away for many of us who have been around for awhile. And that's cause
>>> we know that if you have a nice mix of good people, professionalism
>>> and the ability to have fun, being on a station with cool people can
>>> be an amazing joy ride.
>>> So since the station is on the internet, and the internet is world
>>> wide, and there are 195 countries in the United Nations Charter, we
>>> came up with 195 The Globe. And since we want to change expectations
>>> about radio, our slogan is Welcome To The Radio Revolution.
>>> This message is inviting you to either broadcast with us, or to follow
>>> our journey to our launch date and beyond.
>>> So if you'd like to apply to be a broadcaster, thus being part of this
>>> new radio revolution, feel free to fill out our broadcaster
>>> application right now at
>>> http://www.195theglobe.com
>>> The above address will soon be the home of our web site, but while we
>>> work on it, this is where you can fill out our application.
>>> Eventually, this application will be integrated into the web site. Our
>>> site is being built with Wordpress to make it easy to find out about
>>> what's going on, interact with djs and listeners, etc.
>>> Not a broadcaster? No problem. You can follow our progress til launch
>>> date by following
>>> 195_theglobe
>>> on twitter.
>>> Our facebook page and other forms of interaction will be coming soon.
>>> I truly believe that this station will be unique and fun. We might not
>>> be the biggest and most advanced, but we'll be innovative, fun-loving,
>>> and there to entertain our listeners and make them happy.
>>> So, if you want to join the radio revolution, apply at
>>> http://www.195theglobe.com
>>> or to follow the revolution, follow
>>> 195_theglobe
>>> on twitter.
>>> If you have any additional questions or want to talk about anything,
>>> please email me at
>>> ddunphy at 195theglobe.com
>>> I hope to see you on our exciting revolutionary radio journey and beyond!
>>> All the best,
>>> David Dunphy
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com
>>> 
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From tyler at tysdomain.com  Mon Sep 18 04:30:48 2017
From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 00:30:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A New Radio Station Is On The Horizon,
 Will You Join The Radio Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <001101d33010$841ed720$8c5c8560$@gmail.com>
References: <CA+Wnc9RHH7kD33vcMbAGpvFTHyEWnnO1LT0dnYjoVsAgtr6i_Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<BN4PR12MB0754C628517F20BF5EB61C47BA620@BN4PR12MB0754.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
	<8BC8F262-A8D3-4DDE-BEFD-EFA7F4747D14@gmail.com>
	<001101d33010$841ed720$8c5c8560$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <02311745-9de6-8de4-c82b-cff09f53a025@tysdomain.com>

Chris and all:

I wasn't initially sure if I was going to write this, because I fully
understand that messages regarding spam are going to create a discussion
that is longer than anything a single message would have been, but I
want to send a final message to clarify my point.

First, I want to say that I do not have any issue personally with David
or Chris, and I've never met either of them before. We had this
discussion previously, and there were some rules set in place by Arielle
Silverman, who was at that time moderating the list that these messages
were not within topic. After such a rule was created, occasionally there
were still messages sent, with various reasons for why they were sent,
and the rule was occasionally broken to advertise a radio show. If I
remember correctly, david has since stopped broadcasting and left
another radio station once before, so this is the second time we're
getting such a message.

I say this because as I've mentioned before, there were rules that were
established to make sure that the list remains free of clutter. As a
student, I care about relevant issues that are discussed here, and thus
I follow and contribute as I can. It is not a matter of simply changing
the station if you don't like what's being broadcasted, because in this
case the station is the list, and generally the material broadcasted is
relevant and worth following. As an organization and a group, I've seen
a lot of information and help provided to people who requested it, and
this has proven to be a valuable resource for me at times.

I object to radio station advertisements because they do not fall within
the topic of the list itself. We have a streaming schedule which as I
understand it is fairly new at conventions (though I could be wrong) and
I would hope that they would be eventually moving to stream the NABS
meeting, as there are many NABS members who can not attend conventions.
Regardless of this fact, the fact that a person occasionally streams and
announces things on their radio show related to NABS is not license, in
my mind for violation of the topic and guidelines. If we start making
exceptions to the rules and it becomes common place for certain things
to be posted without regard to the topic, others will start drifting off
topic and thus the list will become much more cluttered and eventually
people will start simply deleting messages without looking at them, and
potentially miss important information. This online radio station, the
one before it and the one before that, as far as I am aware are not
affiliated with NFB beyond simply including members in their "staff."

Judging by David's rather caustic response, I seem to have offended him
by pointing out that this is still, has always been and as long as the
rule set in place a couple of years ago remains, continues to be off
topic. I do not wish to offend anyone, I simply want to prevent clutter.
I do not know who currently moderates the list; I simply posted my note
as a polite request that we remember what this list is for.

Best,
Ty

On 9/17/2017 7:56 PM, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L wrote:
> Friends:
>
> As is usual, I have to be careful here. As some of you may know, I'm directly involved with The Globe as a member of its management team, so I now face the challenge of trying to say what I need to say without letting my comments become unnecessarily emotional because of my personal attachment to the project. With that said, I would offer one general comment for the consideration of the group.
>
> When I began my radio career, I learned about an oft-quoted saying in the industry which goes like this: "If you don't like the show, change the station." This mantra is most often used by station managers to respond to listeners who complain about a program which is perfectly aligned with the rules of the station, but which just doesn't sound good to the complainant. However, I have learned that this principle can apply to most areas of life. There are a number of things I don't like--certain songs, certain movies, or even certain opinions posted on this list and others. I have a right to this feeling, as does everyone else. But I now have a choice: Will I continue to badger the people whose words or actions I don't like until they fall into submission, or will I just turn away from that which I don't like and stick with that which I do like? I have found the most happiness and peace in my life when I do the latter.
>
> So let us remember that this list is a public one. When we join it, we must do so with the understanding that there will be posts we don't like to read. If we feel that a post is so inappropriate as to require action from a moderator, we should privately ask the moderator to take such action. The moderator will then determine what action (if any) should be taken, as is his duty. In the meantime, we should remember that we are not here as watchdogs; we are here as contributors. In that spirit, let us all (myself included) remember to change the metaphorical station when we don't like what is played on it.
>
> My two cents,
>
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ignasi Cambra via NABS-L
> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 9:40 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A New Radio Station Is On The Horizon, Will You Join The Radio Revolution?
>
> I believe David has helped by streaming Nabs related events in the past, so it seems only natural to me that he lets everyone know that from now on he is going to be broadcasting from a new station. Occasionally I have seen other people on this list publicizing services that they offer and nobody seemed to have anything against it. David wasn’t asking for your money or for your help! He was letting you know that he is starting a new station, letting you know that if you want you can apply to be a DJ and also letting you know that in the future he would be broadcasting things that have to do with Nabs. Why so much anger?? If you don’t like it just don’t read it! I think the subject of the email was clear enough for you to delete it if you were not interested. If from now on we are going to be this strict then lots of content on this list is going to have to go away.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 17 Sep 2017, at 02:59, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello David,
>>
>> I do not see how this message advertising your new radio station along with a personal narrative about how it was created has anything to do with blindness or being a student. Therefore, I do not believe this message is appropriate for this email list. I believe the only time it would be appropriate for you to advertise your radio station on this email list would be when you are advertising specific NABS related events. Otherwise, your continued mass announcements about your radio station are simply not appropriate for this email list.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> for advertising specific NABS related events. 
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David 
>> Dunphy via NABS-L
>> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 1:35 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: David Dunphy <discoduck221 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] A New Radio Station Is On The Horizon, Will You Join The Radio Revolution?
>>
>> Please consider passing this along to any friends you think would be 
>> interested in being part of this new and up and coming radio project.
>> As a side note, we plan to carry Nabs events at convention, membership 
>> calls and a whole lot more! So stay tuned and read below!
>>
>> Thank you.
>> Hi All!
>> I'm here to announce that a new radio station is going to be born 
>> soon. But to understand more, let me give you some quick background.
>> Internet radio is something that's been around for quite some time.
>> Fast connections and powerful computers and easy to use software have 
>> made it possible for the average person to do a radio show about 
>> anything; from music to talk and more.
>> I was actually fortunate enough to be able to run a station of my own 
>> called Audio Access FM til 2013. Circumstances came up in my life that 
>> forced me to give that station up.
>> For awhile, I began bouncing around to different radio projects, and 
>> one thing was clear.
>> People on the various projects were doing a variety of things that 
>> would take the fun out of radio. Whether it was playing favorites, 
>> letting those who didn't work on the station into managerial meetings, 
>> too many clicks, station owners not giving equal support to all their 
>> djs, etc.
>> I decided I wanted to return to running a station. Despite my 
>> controvertial radio past, I felt that the observing I have been doing 
>> over the years plus growing up taught me a lot. Furthermore, I decided 
>> I wanted to set a standard for radio that I believe could make it fun 
>> again, at least for some people.
>> So my friends Will Ouellette, Clara Deitz, Chris Nusbaum and I decided 
>> to get together to form a new station with a unique name and concept.
>> We want to change the standards and expectations of an online radio 
>> station. We want people to know that radio can be fun, and that a 
>> station can be an atmosphere where people feel welcome, there's no 
>> drama, and everyone can have a good time while doing their best to put 
>> on a quality show. There's a reason the broadcasting bug doesn't go 
>> away for many of us who have been around for awhile. And that's cause 
>> we know that if you have a nice mix of good people, professionalism 
>> and the ability to have fun, being on a station with cool people can 
>> be an amazing joy ride.
>> So since the station is on the internet, and the internet is world 
>> wide, and there are 195 countries in the United Nations Charter, we 
>> came up with 195 The Globe. And since we want to change expectations 
>> about radio, our slogan is Welcome To The Radio Revolution.
>> This message is inviting you to either broadcast with us, or to follow 
>> our journey to our launch date and beyond.
>> So if you'd like to apply to be a broadcaster, thus being part of this 
>> new radio revolution, feel free to fill out our broadcaster 
>> application right now at http://www.195theglobe.com The above address 
>> will soon be the home of our web site, but while we work on it, this 
>> is where you can fill out our application.
>> Eventually, this application will be integrated into the web site. Our 
>> site is being built with Wordpress to make it easy to find out about 
>> what's going on, interact with djs and listeners, etc.
>> Not a broadcaster? No problem. You can follow our progress til launch 
>> date by following 195_theglobe on twitter.
>> Our facebook page and other forms of interaction will be coming soon.
>> I truly believe that this station will be unique and fun. We might not 
>> be the biggest and most advanced, but we'll be innovative, fun-loving, 
>> and there to entertain our listeners and make them happy.
>> So, if you want to join the radio revolution, apply at 
>> http://www.195theglobe.com or to follow the revolution, follow 
>> 195_theglobe on twitter.
>> If you have any additional questions or want to talk about anything, 
>> please email me at ddunphy at 195theglobe.com I hope to see you on our 
>> exciting revolutionary radio journey and beyond!
>> All the best,
>> David Dunphy
>>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Sep 18 06:22:16 2017
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 02:22:16 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Reading Through a Textbook
In-Reply-To: <BN4PR12MB0754D134C666A9E2078FFC3DBA620@BN4PR12MB0754.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN4PR12MB0754D134C666A9E2078FFC3DBA620@BN4PR12MB0754.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <199C59FE5C3F4B99B2D875A91DC73434@OwnerPC>

Elizabeth,
I find scanned texts a problem and try to avoid them due to errors. Clunky 
words and extra punctuation make it hard to read with speech.
If using jaws, you might try setting your punctuation settings to none.
Have you looked for the book through Learning Ally? This might be an option 
to read by listening to human speech if you are a member and they have the 
book.
I also like the suggestions from Vejas to use Ibooks if its available there 
or even asking someone to read to you like a classmate.

You might be able to edit it. We don't know what program you are reading in. 
I would guess Openbook because you use Jaws.
If not Openbook, you can
convert to Microsoft Word from whatever scanning program you used.
Word has a find and replace feature.


Openbook has a find and replace feature.
If you used Openbook to scan and read the file, you can use the find and 
replace feature to eliminate the dashes.
Do these things to use find and replace.

1. Go to top of file by pressing Control Home.
2. Go to edit mode so you can modify the file by pressing Control E. This is 
a toggle command. So, to get out of edit mode, press Control E again to get 
to read only mode.
3. Activate the find and replace dialogue box. The short cut command for 
this is Control H.
4. You can press tab key to navigate this box just like other boxes you use 
with Jaws. In the find edit box press the hyphen key. In the replace box, 
leave it blank. Activate the replace button.
5. Activate the replace all button by either tabbing to it or pressing Alt 
E.
6. Activate the okay button after the message comes up saying it replaced so 
many items.
7. Save changes in the regular way such as pressing control S.

Alternatively, you can set the speech punctuation to none or some. Jaws or 
the openbook voice should not read dashes if you set it this way.

If you want more details on how to do any of this let me know.
Hope this helps.

Ashley

2.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 8:44 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke
Subject: [nabs-l] Reading Through a Textbook

Hello All,

I recently received one of my textbooks from the disabilities office. 
However, I was rather disappointed that I could not read through it rather 
easily due to a lot of hyphenated words that sound funky while using a 
screen reader. So I tried scanning the book on my own and got the same 
results. Does anyone know of an easy way to correct all the hyphenated words 
that appear in my textbook without correcting every hyphenated word 
indivisually? I have a reading assignment that is due on Monday, so any 
assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Elizabeth
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From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 14:09:20 2017
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 09:09:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] pop culture portrayals of disabilities
Message-ID: <59bfd39c.0869ca0a.6880c.5eac@mx.google.com>

Dear NABS friends,

Hope everyone's Monday is gejting off to a good start. Next month, I will be partnering with another student at my university to give a presentation on how pop culture portrayals of disabilities create stereotypes and form people's perceptions about us. I will be talking about portrayals of people with physical disabilities, while the other student will be talking about portrayals of mental disabilities. I have a few ideas (Daredevil, Need to Breathe), but if anyone knows of a relatively modern book/movie/TV show that portrays people with disabilities, your input would be super helpful. It can be blindness, deafness, people in wheelchairs, whatever.

Yours sincerely,
Sophie Trist

From sandragayer7 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 14:12:21 2017
From: sandragayer7 at gmail.com (Sandra Gayer)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 15:12:21 +0100
Subject: [nabs-l] pop culture portrayals of disabilities
In-Reply-To: <59bfd39c.0869ca0a.6880c.5eac@mx.google.com>
References: <59bfd39c.0869ca0a.6880c.5eac@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAJcYH6_pW3mOtOz9jF20OB7e+a48YED5YBjUsmr6qb7M28CdeA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Sophie,
Are you going to be talking about acters pretending to be disabled or
are you focusing on real disabled people playing disabled parts in
films and television?

Very best wishes,

Sandra Gayer DipABRSM.

On 9/18/17, Sophie Trist via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Dear NABS friends,
>
> Hope everyone's Monday is gejting off to a good start. Next month, I will be
> partnering with another student at my university to give a presentation on
> how pop culture portrayals of disabilities create stereotypes and form
> people's perceptions about us. I will be talking about portrayals of people
> with physical disabilities, while the other student will be talking about
> portrayals of mental disabilities. I have a few ideas (Daredevil, Need to
> Breathe), but if anyone knows of a relatively modern book/movie/TV show that
> portrays people with disabilities, your input would be super helpful. It can
> be blindness, deafness, people in wheelchairs, whatever.
>
> Yours sincerely,
> Sophie Trist
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From misokwak12 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 14:27:03 2017
From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 07:27:03 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] pop culture portrayals of disabilities
In-Reply-To: <CAJcYH6_pW3mOtOz9jF20OB7e+a48YED5YBjUsmr6qb7M28CdeA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <59bfd39c.0869ca0a.6880c.5eac@mx.google.com>
	<CAJcYH6_pW3mOtOz9jF20OB7e+a48YED5YBjUsmr6qb7M28CdeA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMe9x_EJ7A66io1f4bRg8sQnbtS4K56M2b5e1s5z=g+0O-v9Dg@mail.gmail.com>

Sophie, so great to hear that you and your friend are working on this topic.
First thing that comes to my mind is Fault in Our Stars by John Green
- both the book and the movie.
If I think of anything else, I will write more later.
Best,
Miso Kwak

On 9/18/17, Sandra Gayer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Sophie,
> Are you going to be talking about acters pretending to be disabled or
> are you focusing on real disabled people playing disabled parts in
> films and television?
>
> Very best wishes,
>
> Sandra Gayer DipABRSM.
>
> On 9/18/17, Sophie Trist via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Dear NABS friends,
>>
>> Hope everyone's Monday is gejting off to a good start. Next month, I will
>> be
>> partnering with another student at my university to give a presentation
>> on
>> how pop culture portrayals of disabilities create stereotypes and form
>> people's perceptions about us. I will be talking about portrayals of
>> people
>> with physical disabilities, while the other student will be talking about
>> portrayals of mental disabilities. I have a few ideas (Daredevil, Need to
>> Breathe), but if anyone knows of a relatively modern book/movie/TV show
>> that
>> portrays people with disabilities, your input would be super helpful. It
>> can
>> be blindness, deafness, people in wheelchairs, whatever.
>>
>> Yours sincerely,
>> Sophie Trist
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> NABS-L:
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>>
>
>
> --
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>
> Broadcast Presenter
>
> www.rnibconnectradio.org.uk/music-box.html
>
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Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
(909) 660-1897


From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 14:23:08 2017
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 09:23:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] pop culture portrayals of disabilities
Message-ID: <59bfd6d3.8435ca0a.c5cb7.2da5@mx.google.com>

Sandra,

I never even thought of that angle, actually. I was basically using Dr. Jernigan's speech about blindness and literature as a template. That speech talks about how blind people in literature/film often have super powers, super senses, are helpless, are evil and ignorant, etc. But all the examples in that speech are really old, so I want some more recent ones. But now that you mention it, I could talk a little bit about actors pretending to play disabled characters.

Sophie

On Sep 18, 2017 9:12 AM, Sandra Gayer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hello Sophie, 
> Are you going to be talking about acters pretending to be disabled or 
> are you focusing on real disabled people playing disabled parts in 
> films and television? 
>
> Very best wishes, 
>
> Sandra Gayer DipABRSM. 
>
> On 9/18/17, Sophie Trist via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: 
> > Dear NABS friends, 
> > 
> > Hope everyone's Monday is gejting off to a good start. Next month, I will be 
> > partnering with another student at my university to give a presentation on 
> > how pop culture portrayals of disabilities create stereotypes and form 
> > people's perceptions about us. I will be talking about portrayals of people 
> > with physical disabilities, while the other student will be talking about 
> > portrayals of mental disabilities. I have a few ideas (Daredevil, Need to 
> > Breathe), but if anyone knows of a relatively modern book/movie/TV show that 
> > portrays people with disabilities, your input would be super helpful. It can 
> > be blindness, deafness, people in wheelchairs, whatever. 
> > 
> > Yours sincerely, 
> > Sophie Trist 
> > _______________________________________________ 
> > NABS-L mailing list 
> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org 
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org 
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> > NABS-L: 
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gmail.com 
> > 
>
>
> -- 
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>
> Broadcast Presenter 
>
> www.rnibconnectradio.org.uk/music-box.html 
>
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From misokwak12 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 14:40:09 2017
From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 07:40:09 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] pop culture portrayals of disabilities
In-Reply-To: <59bfd6d3.8435ca0a.c5cb7.2da5@mx.google.com>
References: <59bfd6d3.8435ca0a.c5cb7.2da5@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAMe9x_H_PzMpyLNFzMEUGckgRch=eD3_xvjKON0fi2yFupgEEA@mail.gmail.com>

Sophie, I don't mean to complicate your project - just another
perspective and something you can think about...
Another aspect of disability in today's pop culture is Youtubers who
have a variety of disabilities who create disability related and
sometimes not disability related contents.
Rickie Pointer, Sitting Pretty Lolo, Molly Burke, Fashioneyesta, Lucy
Edwards, Christine Ha, Andrea Lausell for some examples.

Miso

On 9/18/17, Sophie Trist via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Sandra,
>
> I never even thought of that angle, actually. I was basically using Dr.
> Jernigan's speech about blindness and literature as a template. That speech
> talks about how blind people in literature/film often have super powers,
> super senses, are helpless, are evil and ignorant, etc. But all the examples
> in that speech are really old, so I want some more recent ones. But now that
> you mention it, I could talk a little bit about actors pretending to play
> disabled characters.
>
> Sophie
>
> On Sep 18, 2017 9:12 AM, Sandra Gayer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Sophie,
>> Are you going to be talking about acters pretending to be disabled or
>> are you focusing on real disabled people playing disabled parts in
>> films and television?
>>
>> Very best wishes,
>>
>> Sandra Gayer DipABRSM.
>>
>> On 9/18/17, Sophie Trist via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> > Dear NABS friends,
>> >
>> > Hope everyone's Monday is gejting off to a good start. Next month, I
>> > will be
>> > partnering with another student at my university to give a presentation
>> > on
>> > how pop culture portrayals of disabilities create stereotypes and form
>> > people's perceptions about us. I will be talking about portrayals of
>> > people
>> > with physical disabilities, while the other student will be talking
>> > about
>> > portrayals of mental disabilities. I have a few ideas (Daredevil, Need
>> > to
>> > Breathe), but if anyone knows of a relatively modern book/movie/TV show
>> > that
>> > portrays people with disabilities, your input would be super helpful. It
>> > can
>> > be blindness, deafness, people in wheelchairs, whatever.
>> >
>> > Yours sincerely,
>> > Sophie Trist
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > NABS-L mailing list
>> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> > NABS-L:
>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gmail.com
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Soprano Singer
>> www.sandragayer.com
>>
>> Broadcast Presenter
>>
>> www.rnibconnectradio.org.uk/music-box.html
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
(909) 660-1897


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 14:50:36 2017
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 10:50:36 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] pop culture portrayals of disabilities
In-Reply-To: <CAMe9x_H_PzMpyLNFzMEUGckgRch=eD3_xvjKON0fi2yFupgEEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <59bfd6d3.8435ca0a.c5cb7.2da5@mx.google.com>
	<CAMe9x_H_PzMpyLNFzMEUGckgRch=eD3_xvjKON0fi2yFupgEEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <94CB8D97-65D6-43C4-B545-B72C2593EE74@gmail.com>

That is a great idea.

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 10:40 AM, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Sophie, I don't mean to complicate your project - just another
> perspective and something you can think about...
> Another aspect of disability in today's pop culture is Youtubers who
> have a variety of disabilities who create disability related and
> sometimes not disability related contents.
> Rickie Pointer, Sitting Pretty Lolo, Molly Burke, Fashioneyesta, Lucy
> Edwards, Christine Ha, Andrea Lausell for some examples.
> 
> Miso
> 
>> On 9/18/17, Sophie Trist via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Sandra,
>> 
>> I never even thought of that angle, actually. I was basically using Dr.
>> Jernigan's speech about blindness and literature as a template. That speech
>> talks about how blind people in literature/film often have super powers,
>> super senses, are helpless, are evil and ignorant, etc. But all the examples
>> in that speech are really old, so I want some more recent ones. But now that
>> you mention it, I could talk a little bit about actors pretending to play
>> disabled characters.
>> 
>> Sophie
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2017 9:12 AM, Sandra Gayer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Sophie,
>>> Are you going to be talking about acters pretending to be disabled or
>>> are you focusing on real disabled people playing disabled parts in
>>> films and television?
>>> 
>>> Very best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Sandra Gayer DipABRSM.
>>> 
>>>> On 9/18/17, Sophie Trist via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Dear NABS friends,
>>>> 
>>>> Hope everyone's Monday is gejting off to a good start. Next month, I
>>>> will be
>>>> partnering with another student at my university to give a presentation
>>>> on
>>>> how pop culture portrayals of disabilities create stereotypes and form
>>>> people's perceptions about us. I will be talking about portrayals of
>>>> people
>>>> with physical disabilities, while the other student will be talking
>>>> about
>>>> portrayals of mental disabilities. I have a few ideas (Daredevil, Need
>>>> to
>>>> Breathe), but if anyone knows of a relatively modern book/movie/TV show
>>>> that
>>>> portrays people with disabilities, your input would be super helpful. It
>>>> can
>>>> be blindness, deafness, people in wheelchairs, whatever.
>>>> 
>>>> Yours sincerely,
>>>> Sophie Trist
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> NABS-L:
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Soprano Singer
>>> www.sandragayer.com
>>> 
>>> Broadcast Presenter
>>> 
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>>> 
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> 
> 
> -- 
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> University of California, Los Angeles | 2017
> Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
> (909) 660-1897
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From singingemmanuelle at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 15:00:27 2017
From: singingemmanuelle at gmail.com (Emmanuelle Lo)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 11:00:27 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] pop culture portrayals of disabilities
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All the Light We Cannot See has some issues, though I personally still love that book. There's also a thriller film (I think it's called Don't Breathe) where people break into a blind guy's house and have to hid from him or something. I've never read or watched Me Before You but I know that deals with disability in a less-than-ideal way. The TV show Switched At Birth involves lots of deaf and hard-of-hearing people, but I believe it's an accurate portrayal. 

Good luck on your project,
Emmie 
> On Sep 18, 2017, at 10:50 AM, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> That is a great idea.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2017, at 10:40 AM, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>> 
>> Sophie, I don't mean to complicate your project - just another
>> perspective and something you can think about...
>> Another aspect of disability in today's pop culture is Youtubers who
>> have a variety of disabilities who create disability related and
>> sometimes not disability related contents.
>> Rickie Pointer, Sitting Pretty Lolo, Molly Burke, Fashioneyesta, Lucy
>> Edwards, Christine Ha, Andrea Lausell for some examples.
>> 
>> Miso
>> 
>>> On 9/18/17, Sophie Trist via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Sandra,
>>> 
>>> I never even thought of that angle, actually. I was basically using Dr.
>>> Jernigan's speech about blindness and literature as a template. That speech
>>> talks about how blind people in literature/film often have super powers,
>>> super senses, are helpless, are evil and ignorant, etc. But all the examples
>>> in that speech are really old, so I want some more recent ones. But now that
>>> you mention it, I could talk a little bit about actors pretending to play
>>> disabled characters.
>>> 
>>> Sophie
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 18, 2017 9:12 AM, Sandra Gayer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Sophie,
>>>> Are you going to be talking about acters pretending to be disabled or
>>>> are you focusing on real disabled people playing disabled parts in
>>>> films and television?
>>>> 
>>>> Very best wishes,
>>>> 
>>>> Sandra Gayer DipABRSM.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 9/18/17, Sophie Trist via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Dear NABS friends,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hope everyone's Monday is gejting off to a good start. Next month, I
>>>>> will be
>>>>> partnering with another student at my university to give a presentation
>>>>> on
>>>>> how pop culture portrayals of disabilities create stereotypes and form
>>>>> people's perceptions about us. I will be talking about portrayals of
>>>>> people
>>>>> with physical disabilities, while the other student will be talking
>>>>> about
>>>>> portrayals of mental disabilities. I have a few ideas (Daredevil, Need
>>>>> to
>>>>> Breathe), but if anyone knows of a relatively modern book/movie/TV show
>>>>> that
>>>>> portrays people with disabilities, your input would be super helpful. It
>>>>> can
>>>>> be blindness, deafness, people in wheelchairs, whatever.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yours sincerely,
>>>>> Sophie Trist
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> NABS-L:
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Soprano Singer
>>>> www.sandragayer.com
>>>> 
>>>> Broadcast Presenter
>>>> 
>>>> www.rnibconnectradio.org.uk/music-box.html
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NABS-L mailing list
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>>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Miso Kwak
>> University of California, Los Angeles | 2017
>> Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
>> (909) 660-1897
>> 
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From louvins at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 15:22:54 2017
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 10:22:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] pop culture portrayals of disabilities
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Hi Sophie.  Great topic for a presentation.  I can think of a few
books that are relatively new that involve blind characters.  The
books I'm thinking of are Blind by Rachel DeWoskin db79520, Girl,
Stolen by April Henry db71997.  Here are a few books that involve
blind adults that I think are pretty good.  The books are Come Home,
My Heart by Phyllis Campbell 56383, Blind Curve by Annie Solomon
59915, Home Before Dark by Susan Wiggs 57014, and To Catch an Angel by
Robert Russel 25452.  Sophie the best of luck to you and your part of
your presentation.

On 9/18/17, Emmanuelle Lo via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> All the Light We Cannot See has some issues, though I personally still love
> that book. There's also a thriller film (I think it's called Don't Breathe)
> where people break into a blind guy's house and have to hid from him or
> something. I've never read or watched Me Before You but I know that deals
> with disability in a less-than-ideal way. The TV show Switched At Birth
> involves lots of deaf and hard-of-hearing people, but I believe it's an
> accurate portrayal.
>
> Good luck on your project,
> Emmie
>> On Sep 18, 2017, at 10:50 AM, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> That is a great idea.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Sep 18, 2017, at 10:40 AM, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sophie, I don't mean to complicate your project - just another
>>> perspective and something you can think about...
>>> Another aspect of disability in today's pop culture is Youtubers who
>>> have a variety of disabilities who create disability related and
>>> sometimes not disability related contents.
>>> Rickie Pointer, Sitting Pretty Lolo, Molly Burke, Fashioneyesta, Lucy
>>> Edwards, Christine Ha, Andrea Lausell for some examples.
>>>
>>> Miso
>>>
>>>> On 9/18/17, Sophie Trist via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Sandra,
>>>>
>>>> I never even thought of that angle, actually. I was basically using Dr.
>>>> Jernigan's speech about blindness and literature as a template. That
>>>> speech
>>>> talks about how blind people in literature/film often have super
>>>> powers,
>>>> super senses, are helpless, are evil and ignorant, etc. But all the
>>>> examples
>>>> in that speech are really old, so I want some more recent ones. But now
>>>> that
>>>> you mention it, I could talk a little bit about actors pretending to
>>>> play
>>>> disabled characters.
>>>>
>>>> Sophie
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 18, 2017 9:12 AM, Sandra Gayer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Sophie,
>>>>> Are you going to be talking about acters pretending to be disabled or
>>>>> are you focusing on real disabled people playing disabled parts in
>>>>> films and television?
>>>>>
>>>>> Very best wishes,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sandra Gayer DipABRSM.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/18/17, Sophie Trist via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Dear NABS friends,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope everyone's Monday is gejting off to a good start. Next month, I
>>>>>> will be
>>>>>> partnering with another student at my university to give a
>>>>>> presentation
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> how pop culture portrayals of disabilities create stereotypes and
>>>>>> form
>>>>>> people's perceptions about us. I will be talking about portrayals of
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> with physical disabilities, while the other student will be talking
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> portrayals of mental disabilities. I have a few ideas (Daredevil,
>>>>>> Need
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> Breathe), but if anyone knows of a relatively modern book/movie/TV
>>>>>> show
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> portrays people with disabilities, your input would be super helpful.
>>>>>> It
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> be blindness, deafness, people in wheelchairs, whatever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yours sincerely,
>>>>>> Sophie Trist
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>> NABS-L:
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Soprano Singer
>>>>> www.sandragayer.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Broadcast Presenter
>>>>>
>>>>> www.rnibconnectradio.org.uk/music-box.html
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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>>>>> NABS-L:
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>>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Miso Kwak
>>> University of California, Los Angeles | 2017
>>> Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
>>> (909) 660-1897
>>>
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>>
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Joshua Hendrickson


From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 18:03:45 2017
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 14:03:45 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] pop culture portrayals of disabilities
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Hey Sophie:

A lesser-known but very powerful portrayal of blindness can be found in a book called "Blindsided." I can't remember the author offhand, but I know it's available under that title. The book follows a blind adolescent who struggles with and eventually accepts her loss of sight, and finally comes to appreciate the importance of learning nonvisual skills in her quest to regain her independence. A sighted friend recommended the book to me because much of it is set in Baltimore and the Maryland School for the Blind, which allowed me to relate on the surface to the people and places. However, I think it will have a universal appeal to all blind people, as the author captures very accurately the struggle which many blind teens face as they cope with their blindness while trying to fit in with their peers. Though I read the book in 8th grade, I still have vivid memories of my emotions while reading the book as I related more and more to the main character's story. On a side note, the scene in which the students take a field trip to the NFB national center will be especially interesting to those of us who have been there.

For other more positive portrayals of blindness in literature, you might try "The Seeing Summer" and "A Cane in Her Hand." As I've learned from teaching at our BELL program, there are quite a few children's books which have portrayals of blindness of various degrees of accuracy and positivity. As for TV and movies, "Daredevil" definitely gives you much to talk about. Also, don't forget about the Nickelodian special in which both of us participated! :)

Good luck,

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 11:00 AM, Emmanuelle Lo via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> All the Light We Cannot See has some issues, though I personally still love that book. There's also a thriller film (I think it's called Don't Breathe) where people break into a blind guy's house and have to hid from him or something. I've never read or watched Me Before You but I know that deals with disability in a less-than-ideal way. The TV show Switched At Birth involves lots of deaf and hard-of-hearing people, but I believe it's an accurate portrayal. 
> 
> Good luck on your project,
> Emmie 
>> On Sep 18, 2017, at 10:50 AM, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> That is a great idea.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2017, at 10:40 AM, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sophie, I don't mean to complicate your project - just another
>>> perspective and something you can think about...
>>> Another aspect of disability in today's pop culture is Youtubers who
>>> have a variety of disabilities who create disability related and
>>> sometimes not disability related contents.
>>> Rickie Pointer, Sitting Pretty Lolo, Molly Burke, Fashioneyesta, Lucy
>>> Edwards, Christine Ha, Andrea Lausell for some examples.
>>> 
>>> Miso
>>> 
>>>> On 9/18/17, Sophie Trist via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Sandra,
>>>> 
>>>> I never even thought of that angle, actually. I was basically using Dr.
>>>> Jernigan's speech about blindness and literature as a template. That speech
>>>> talks about how blind people in literature/film often have super powers,
>>>> super senses, are helpless, are evil and ignorant, etc. But all the examples
>>>> in that speech are really old, so I want some more recent ones. But now that
>>>> you mention it, I could talk a little bit about actors pretending to play
>>>> disabled characters.
>>>> 
>>>> Sophie
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 18, 2017 9:12 AM, Sandra Gayer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Sophie,
>>>>> Are you going to be talking about acters pretending to be disabled or
>>>>> are you focusing on real disabled people playing disabled parts in
>>>>> films and television?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Very best wishes,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sandra Gayer DipABRSM.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 9/18/17, Sophie Trist via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Dear NABS friends,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hope everyone's Monday is gejting off to a good start. Next month, I
>>>>>> will be
>>>>>> partnering with another student at my university to give a presentation
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> how pop culture portrayals of disabilities create stereotypes and form
>>>>>> people's perceptions about us. I will be talking about portrayals of
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> with physical disabilities, while the other student will be talking
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> portrayals of mental disabilities. I have a few ideas (Daredevil, Need
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> Breathe), but if anyone knows of a relatively modern book/movie/TV show
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> portrays people with disabilities, your input would be super helpful. It
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> be blindness, deafness, people in wheelchairs, whatever.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yours sincerely,
>>>>>> Sophie Trist
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>> NABS-L:
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gmail.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Soprano Singer
>>>>> www.sandragayer.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> Broadcast Presenter
>>>>> 
>>>>> www.rnibconnectradio.org.uk/music-box.html
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NABS-L mailing list
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>>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Miso Kwak
>>> University of California, Los Angeles | 2017
>>> Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
>>> (909) 660-1897
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 18:28:45 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 11:28:45 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] pop culture portrayals of disabilities
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Hi Chris,
The author of the book Blindsided  is Priscilla Cummings. I also really enjoyed the book. I read it while I was a student at LCB, so it was really interesting besh able to compare my experience to the main character Natalie's. But while it was a very interesting read, I agree with you that it's not really the best portrayal of blind people. I felt that the center there didn't really have the expectations that an NFB training center did, although this might also have to do with the fact that it was a boarding school also focused on other academics. But yes, it does give a good idea of the training that most people experience and the resistance that many parents face in allowing blind children out of their sight.
Vejas

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 11:03, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey Sophie:
> 
> A lesser-known but very powerful portrayal of blindness can be found in a book called "Blindsided." I can't remember the author offhand, but I know it's available under that title. The book follows a blind adolescent who struggles with and eventually accepts her loss of sight, and finally comes to appreciate the importance of learning nonvisual skills in her quest to regain her independence. A sighted friend recommended the book to me because much of it is set in Baltimore and the Maryland School for the Blind, which allowed me to relate on the surface to the people and places. However, I think it will have a universal appeal to all blind people, as the author captures very accurately the struggle which many blind teens face as they cope with their blindness while trying to fit in with their peers. Though I read the book in 8th grade, I still have vivid memories of my emotions while reading the book as I related more and more to the main character's story. On a side note, the scene in which the students take a field trip to the NFB national center will be especially interesting to those of us who have been there.
> 
> For other more positive portrayals of blindness in literature, you might try "The Seeing Summer" and "A Cane in Her Hand." As I've learned from teaching at our BELL program, there are quite a few children's books which have portrayals of blindness of various degrees of accuracy and positivity. As for TV and movies, "Daredevil" definitely gives you much to talk about. Also, don't forget about the Nickelodian special in which both of us participated! :)
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Chris Nusbaum
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2017, at 11:00 AM, Emmanuelle Lo via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> All the Light We Cannot See has some issues, though I personally still love that book. There's also a thriller film (I think it's called Don't Breathe) where people break into a blind guy's house and have to hid from him or something. I've never read or watched Me Before You but I know that deals with disability in a less-than-ideal way. The TV show Switched At Birth involves lots of deaf and hard-of-hearing people, but I believe it's an accurate portrayal. 
>> 
>> Good luck on your project,
>> Emmie 
>>> On Sep 18, 2017, at 10:50 AM, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That is a great idea.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 18, 2017, at 10:40 AM, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Sophie, I don't mean to complicate your project - just another
>>>> perspective and something you can think about...
>>>> Another aspect of disability in today's pop culture is Youtubers who
>>>> have a variety of disabilities who create disability related and
>>>> sometimes not disability related contents.
>>>> Rickie Pointer, Sitting Pretty Lolo, Molly Burke, Fashioneyesta, Lucy
>>>> Edwards, Christine Ha, Andrea Lausell for some examples.
>>>> 
>>>> Miso
>>>> 
>>>>> On 9/18/17, Sophie Trist via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Sandra,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I never even thought of that angle, actually. I was basically using Dr.
>>>>> Jernigan's speech about blindness and literature as a template. That speech
>>>>> talks about how blind people in literature/film often have super powers,
>>>>> super senses, are helpless, are evil and ignorant, etc. But all the examples
>>>>> in that speech are really old, so I want some more recent ones. But now that
>>>>> you mention it, I could talk a little bit about actors pretending to play
>>>>> disabled characters.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sophie
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 18, 2017 9:12 AM, Sandra Gayer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello Sophie,
>>>>>> Are you going to be talking about acters pretending to be disabled or
>>>>>> are you focusing on real disabled people playing disabled parts in
>>>>>> films and television?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Very best wishes,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sandra Gayer DipABRSM.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 9/18/17, Sophie Trist via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> Dear NABS friends,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hope everyone's Monday is gejting off to a good start. Next month, I
>>>>>>> will be
>>>>>>> partnering with another student at my university to give a presentation
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> how pop culture portrayals of disabilities create stereotypes and form
>>>>>>> people's perceptions about us. I will be talking about portrayals of
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> with physical disabilities, while the other student will be talking
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> portrayals of mental disabilities. I have a few ideas (Daredevil, Need
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> Breathe), but if anyone knows of a relatively modern book/movie/TV show
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> portrays people with disabilities, your input would be super helpful. It
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> be blindness, deafness, people in wheelchairs, whatever.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yours sincerely,
>>>>>>> Sophie Trist
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>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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From annita.co.usa at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 18:30:46 2017
From: annita.co.usa at gmail.com (Anya Fuller)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 13:30:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Reading Through a Textbook
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I had the same problem with some of my books in college. I asked
someone to help me fix it, and we got rid of all of the dashes by
using find and replace function in Word. The only problem with it is
that you will loose all the dashes, even in the plases where you
actually need them. However, you don't meet those words very often
throughout your textbook, and it is much easier to deal with that
issue as opposed to having dashes in every other word.
Hope it helps.
AF

On 9/16/17, sophie trist via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Elizabeth,
>
> I don't think there's a way to fix that without manually going through your
> textbook and changing the words, if that's even possible. I'd suggest using
> a braille display if you have one. Seeing the words in braille might make it
> easier to see what they really mean.
>
> HTH,
> Sophie
>
> On Sep 16, 2017 7:44 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I recently received one of my textbooks from the disabilities office.
>> However, I was rather disappointed that I could not read through it rather
>> easily due to a lot of hyphenated words that sound funky while using a
>> screen reader. So I tried scanning the book on my own and got the same
>> results. Does anyone know of an easy way to correct all the hyphenated
>> words that appear in my textbook without correcting every hyphenated word
>> indivisually? I have a reading assignment that is due on Monday, so any
>> assistance would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Elizabeth
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 18:37:08 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 11:37:08 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] pop culture portrayals of disabilities
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A while back, a friend of mine showed me a bunch of what were supposed to be commedies and the first was related to blindness. Being sighted he found it funny, but I actually found it pretty upsetting. I can't recall the name but I'll ask him. But I remember that the idea was that there was a blind man who I believe was getting used to navigating his hotel room. When he had to wake up at night he got turned  around and walked to the wrong door. All of which would be totally understandable except that they mocked him by making it seem like it was really funny that he would go to the wrong door, and exaggerated the point so much that it was as if he was in a parallel world of some sort.
Good luck,
Vejas   

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 07:09, Sophie Trist via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear NABS friends,
> 
> Hope everyone's Monday is gejting off to a good start. Next month, I will be partnering with another student at my university to give a presentation on how pop culture portrayals of disabilities create stereotypes and form people's perceptions about us. I will be talking about portrayals of people with physical disabilities, while the other student will be talking about portrayals of mental disabilities. I have a few ideas (Daredevil, Need to Breathe), but if anyone knows of a relatively modern book/movie/TV show that portrays people with disabilities, your input would be super helpful. It can be blindness, deafness, people in wheelchairs, whatever.
> 
> Yours sincerely,
> Sophie Trist
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From louvins at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 18:53:45 2017
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 13:53:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] pop culture portrayals of disabilities
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There's also another book called Blind Sighted, note the word sighted
is S-I-G-H-T-E-D.  I forget the author, but I read it for a book club.
That book was about a high school boy who read to a lady who was
blind.

On 9/18/17, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> A while back, a friend of mine showed me a bunch of what were supposed to be
> commedies and the first was related to blindness. Being sighted he found it
> funny, but I actually found it pretty upsetting. I can't recall the name but
> I'll ask him. But I remember that the idea was that there was a blind man
> who I believe was getting used to navigating his hotel room. When he had to
> wake up at night he got turned  around and walked to the wrong door. All of
> which would be totally understandable except that they mocked him by making
> it seem like it was really funny that he would go to the wrong door, and
> exaggerated the point so much that it was as if he was in a parallel world
> of some sort.
> Good luck,
> Vejas
>
>> On Sep 18, 2017, at 07:09, Sophie Trist via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear NABS friends,
>>
>> Hope everyone's Monday is gejting off to a good start. Next month, I will
>> be partnering with another student at my university to give a presentation
>> on how pop culture portrayals of disabilities create stereotypes and form
>> people's perceptions about us. I will be talking about portrayals of
>> people with physical disabilities, while the other student will be talking
>> about portrayals of mental disabilities. I have a few ideas (Daredevil,
>> Need to Breathe), but if anyone knows of a relatively modern book/movie/TV
>> show that portrays people with disabilities, your input would be super
>> helpful. It can be blindness, deafness, people in wheelchairs, whatever.
>>
>> Yours sincerely,
>> Sophie Trist
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
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From sandragayer7 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 19:57:55 2017
From: sandragayer7 at gmail.com (Sandra Gayer)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 20:57:55 +0100
Subject: [nabs-l] pop culture portrayals of disabilities
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Hello Sophie,
The film A Song from The Heart features a blind character played by a
sighted actress. The character receives a sight restoration near the
end of the film so it is logical to have an able bodied actress in
this case.

The film See No Evil, Hear No Evil stars able bodied actors playing a
deaf man and a blind man who witness a murder and they help each other
to keep safe. Very funny!

The 1998 version of the film Rear Window stars Christopher Reeve who
is disabled in real life and he was playing a paralised character.

I hope some of these ideas help.

Very best wishes,

Sandra Gayer DipABRSM.

On 9/18/17, Joshua Hendrickson via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> There's also another book called Blind Sighted, note the word sighted
> is S-I-G-H-T-E-D.  I forget the author, but I read it for a book club.
> That book was about a high school boy who read to a lady who was
> blind.
>
> On 9/18/17, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> A while back, a friend of mine showed me a bunch of what were supposed to
>> be
>> commedies and the first was related to blindness. Being sighted he found
>> it
>> funny, but I actually found it pretty upsetting. I can't recall the name
>> but
>> I'll ask him. But I remember that the idea was that there was a blind man
>> who I believe was getting used to navigating his hotel room. When he had
>> to
>> wake up at night he got turned  around and walked to the wrong door. All
>> of
>> which would be totally understandable except that they mocked him by
>> making
>> it seem like it was really funny that he would go to the wrong door, and
>> exaggerated the point so much that it was as if he was in a parallel
>> world
>> of some sort.
>> Good luck,
>> Vejas
>>
>>> On Sep 18, 2017, at 07:09, Sophie Trist via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear NABS friends,
>>>
>>> Hope everyone's Monday is gejting off to a good start. Next month, I
>>> will
>>> be partnering with another student at my university to give a
>>> presentation
>>> on how pop culture portrayals of disabilities create stereotypes and
>>> form
>>> people's perceptions about us. I will be talking about portrayals of
>>> people with physical disabilities, while the other student will be
>>> talking
>>> about portrayals of mental disabilities. I have a few ideas (Daredevil,
>>> Need to Breathe), but if anyone knows of a relatively modern
>>> book/movie/TV
>>> show that portrays people with disabilities, your input would be super
>>> helpful. It can be blindness, deafness, people in wheelchairs, whatever.
>>>
>>> Yours sincerely,
>>> Sophie Trist
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NABS-L mailing list
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>
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>
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From sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 20:37:34 2017
From: sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 16:37:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] pop culture portrayals of disabilities
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Hi,
A Patch of Blue has a blind character - it's a film and a book, both of
which are not great representations. FYI both contain violence.
Switched at Birth has a deaf character.
The West Wing has a deaf character who was played by a deaf acress.
Master of None contains deaf characters and actors:
http://www.3playmedia.com/2017/06/08/master-none-highlights-deaf-culture/
Another article on deaf/hard of hearing characters in film/tv:
http://www.parkeraud.com/1306-2/
Ray (film on Ray Charles)
Blind Justice
Covert Affairs (blind character but not great representation either)
Blindness (the film and book)
Paternalistic/not great representations of characters using wheelchairs:
The Secret Garden
Heidi 
A Christmas Carol
There are so many memoirs - hard to tell whether they represent well or not,
as they are people's own experiences
HTH,
Sarah

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sandra Gayer
via NABS-L
Sent: September 18, 2017 3:58 PM
To: louvins at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Sandra Gayer
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] pop culture portrayals of disabilities

Hello Sophie,
The film A Song from The Heart features a blind character played by a
sighted actress. The character receives a sight restoration near the end of
the film so it is logical to have an able bodied actress in this case.

The film See No Evil, Hear No Evil stars able bodied actors playing a deaf
man and a blind man who witness a murder and they help each other to keep
safe. Very funny!

The 1998 version of the film Rear Window stars Christopher Reeve who is
disabled in real life and he was playing a paralised character.

I hope some of these ideas help.

Very best wishes,

Sandra Gayer DipABRSM.

On 9/18/17, Joshua Hendrickson via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> There's also another book called Blind Sighted, note the word sighted 
> is S-I-G-H-T-E-D.  I forget the author, but I read it for a book club.
> That book was about a high school boy who read to a lady who was 
> blind.
>
> On 9/18/17, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> A while back, a friend of mine showed me a bunch of what were 
>> supposed to be commedies and the first was related to blindness. 
>> Being sighted he found it funny, but I actually found it pretty 
>> upsetting. I can't recall the name but I'll ask him. But I remember 
>> that the idea was that there was a blind man who I believe was 
>> getting used to navigating his hotel room. When he had to wake up at 
>> night he got turned  around and walked to the wrong door. All of 
>> which would be totally understandable except that they mocked him by 
>> making it seem like it was really funny that he would go to the wrong 
>> door, and exaggerated the point so much that it was as if he was in a 
>> parallel world of some sort.
>> Good luck,
>> Vejas
>>
>>> On Sep 18, 2017, at 07:09, Sophie Trist via NABS-L 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear NABS friends,
>>>
>>> Hope everyone's Monday is gejting off to a good start. Next month, I 
>>> will be partnering with another student at my university to give a 
>>> presentation on how pop culture portrayals of disabilities create 
>>> stereotypes and form people's perceptions about us. I will be 
>>> talking about portrayals of people with physical disabilities, while 
>>> the other student will be talking about portrayals of mental 
>>> disabilities. I have a few ideas (Daredevil, Need to Breathe), but 
>>> if anyone knows of a relatively modern book/movie/TV show that 
>>> portrays people with disabilities, your input would be super 
>>> helpful. It can be blindness, deafness, people in wheelchairs, whatever.
>>>
>>> Yours sincerely,
>>> Sophie Trist
>>> _______________________________________________
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 23:57:46 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 16:57:46 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] pop culture portrayals of disabilities
In-Reply-To: <59bfd39c.0869ca0a.6880c.5eac@mx.google.com>
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Hi Sophie, and to anyone else for whom this could be of any interest,
The "comedy" I mentioned earlier is a podcast. It is on This American Life, Episode 464 "Invisible Made Visible."
Vejas

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 07:09, Sophie Trist via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear NABS friends,
> 
> Hope everyone's Monday is gejting off to a good start. Next month, I will be partnering with another student at my university to give a presentation on how pop culture portrayals of disabilities create stereotypes and form people's perceptions about us. I will be talking about portrayals of people with physical disabilities, while the other student will be talking about portrayals of mental disabilities. I have a few ideas (Daredevil, Need to Breathe), but if anyone knows of a relatively modern book/movie/TV show that portrays people with disabilities, your input would be super helpful. It can be blindness, deafness, people in wheelchairs, whatever.
> 
> Yours sincerely,
> Sophie Trist
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From sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com  Tue Sep 19 00:25:19 2017
From: sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 20:25:19 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] pop culture portrayals of disabilities
In-Reply-To: <93D4D60F-7442-47DD-9EE9-B3A21940FD9D@gmail.com>
References: <59bfd39c.0869ca0a.6880c.5eac@mx.google.com>
	<93D4D60F-7442-47DD-9EE9-B3A21940FD9D@gmail.com>
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I remember that one. I actually found it funny; it wasn't a "ha ha he's
blind and bumbling" as much as a "ha ha we've all done that - looked at one
half of a room and erroneously filled in the blanks about the rest". It was
told by a blind guy himself (Ryan Knighton) who I find rather engaging for
the most part. A transcript is below, if you'd rather not listen.
https://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/464/transcript
and the audio (there's both an imbedded player and a download link):
https://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/464/invisible-made-v
isible

Sarah


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
Sent: September 18, 2017 7:58 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] pop culture portrayals of disabilities

Hi Sophie, and to anyone else for whom this could be of any interest, The
"comedy" I mentioned earlier is a podcast. It is on This American Life,
Episode 464 "Invisible Made Visible."
Vejas

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 07:09, Sophie Trist via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> Dear NABS friends,
> 
> Hope everyone's Monday is gejting off to a good start. Next month, I will
be partnering with another student at my university to give a presentation
on how pop culture portrayals of disabilities create stereotypes and form
people's perceptions about us. I will be talking about portrayals of people
with physical disabilities, while the other student will be talking about
portrayals of mental disabilities. I have a few ideas (Daredevil, Need to
Breathe), but if anyone knows of a relatively modern book/movie/TV show that
portrays people with disabilities, your input would be super helpful. It can
be blindness, deafness, people in wheelchairs, whatever.
> 
> Yours sincerely,
> Sophie Trist
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Sep 19 00:55:13 2017
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 20:55:13 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] pop culture portrayals of disabilities
In-Reply-To: <9D180DAF-5B25-4299-9526-EA0A7E8B7E26@gmail.com>
References: <59bfd6d3.8435ca0a.c5cb7.2da5@mx.google.com><CAMe9x_H_PzMpyLNFzMEUGckgRch=eD3_xvjKON0fi2yFupgEEA@mail.gmail.com><94CB8D97-65D6-43C4-B545-B72C2593EE74@gmail.com><800FB77E-F53E-4A5B-9888-9701892A201F@gmail.com>
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Hello,
I've read the Seeing Summer and its wonderful. Its about a blind and sighted 
girl becoming friends and that the blind girl helps the sighted girl out.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 2:03 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Chris Nusbaum
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] pop culture portrayals of disabilities

Hey Sophie:

A lesser-known but very powerful portrayal of blindness can be found in a 
book called "Blindsided." I can't remember the author offhand, but I know 
it's available under that title. The book follows a blind adolescent who 
struggles with and eventually accepts her loss of sight, and finally comes 
to appreciate the importance of learning nonvisual skills in her quest to 
regain her independence. A sighted friend recommended the book to me because 
much of it is set in Baltimore and the Maryland School for the Blind, which 
allowed me to relate on the surface to the people and places. However, I 
think it will have a universal appeal to all blind people, as the author 
captures very accurately the struggle which many blind teens face as they 
cope with their blindness while trying to fit in with their peers. Though I 
read the book in 8th grade, I still have vivid memories of my emotions while 
reading the book as I related more and more to the main character's story. 
On a side note, the scene in which the students take a field trip to the NFB 
national center will be especially interesting to those of us who have been 
there.

For other more positive portrayals of blindness in literature, you might try 
"The Seeing Summer" and "A Cane in Her Hand." As I've learned from teaching 
at our BELL program, there are quite a few children's books which have 
portrayals of blindness of various degrees of accuracy and positivity. As 
for TV and movies, "Daredevil" definitely gives you much to talk about. 
Also, don't forget about the Nickelodian special in which both of us 
participated! :)

Good luck,

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 11:00 AM, Emmanuelle Lo via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
> wrote:
>
> All the Light We Cannot See has some issues, though I personally still 
> love that book. There's also a thriller film (I think it's called Don't 
> Breathe) where people break into a blind guy's house and have to hid from 
> him or something. I've never read or watched Me Before You but I know that 
> deals with disability in a less-than-ideal way. The TV show Switched At 
> Birth involves lots of deaf and hard-of-hearing people, but I believe it's 
> an accurate portrayal.
>
> Good luck on your project,
> Emmie
>> On Sep 18, 2017, at 10:50 AM, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> That is a great idea.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Sep 18, 2017, at 10:40 AM, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
>>> <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sophie, I don't mean to complicate your project - just another
>>> perspective and something you can think about...
>>> Another aspect of disability in today's pop culture is Youtubers who
>>> have a variety of disabilities who create disability related and
>>> sometimes not disability related contents.
>>> Rickie Pointer, Sitting Pretty Lolo, Molly Burke, Fashioneyesta, Lucy
>>> Edwards, Christine Ha, Andrea Lausell for some examples.
>>>
>>> Miso
>>>
>>>> On 9/18/17, Sophie Trist via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Sandra,
>>>>
>>>> I never even thought of that angle, actually. I was basically using Dr.
>>>> Jernigan's speech about blindness and literature as a template. That 
>>>> speech
>>>> talks about how blind people in literature/film often have super 
>>>> powers,
>>>> super senses, are helpless, are evil and ignorant, etc. But all the 
>>>> examples
>>>> in that speech are really old, so I want some more recent ones. But now 
>>>> that
>>>> you mention it, I could talk a little bit about actors pretending to 
>>>> play
>>>> disabled characters.
>>>>
>>>> Sophie
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 18, 2017 9:12 AM, Sandra Gayer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Sophie,
>>>>> Are you going to be talking about acters pretending to be disabled or
>>>>> are you focusing on real disabled people playing disabled parts in
>>>>> films and television?
>>>>>
>>>>> Very best wishes,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sandra Gayer DipABRSM.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/18/17, Sophie Trist via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Dear NABS friends,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope everyone's Monday is gejting off to a good start. Next month, I
>>>>>> will be
>>>>>> partnering with another student at my university to give a 
>>>>>> presentation
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> how pop culture portrayals of disabilities create stereotypes and 
>>>>>> form
>>>>>> people's perceptions about us. I will be talking about portrayals of
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> with physical disabilities, while the other student will be talking
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> portrayals of mental disabilities. I have a few ideas (Daredevil, 
>>>>>> Need
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> Breathe), but if anyone knows of a relatively modern book/movie/TV 
>>>>>> show
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> portrays people with disabilities, your input would be super helpful. 
>>>>>> It
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> be blindness, deafness, people in wheelchairs, whatever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yours sincerely,
>>>>>> Sophie Trist
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Soprano Singer
>>>>> www.sandragayer.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Broadcast Presenter
>>>>>
>>>>> www.rnibconnectradio.org.uk/music-box.html
>>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
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>>> University of California, Los Angeles | 2017
>>> Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
>>> (909) 660-1897
>>>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Sep 19 01:45:17 2017
From: dandrews at visi.com (David B Andrews)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 20:45:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A question:
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Part of what people object to, I think is the frequency. We seem to be 
bombarded every week for a couple months, then the station goes under, 
we have a break, and start all over again.  Blind talk is ok for this 
stuff, maybe perform-talk, it all depends on frequency.


Dave




On 9/17/2017 9:47 PM, wmodnl wmodnl via NABS-L wrote:
> Assuming the below is not really appropriate for this list as some suggested, is there another area on nfb.net where this can be discussed?
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Sep 16, 2017, at 22:26, Roper, Meaghan via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> It sounds to me like david and   195 The Globe are promoting the possibility of internship opportunities or work opportunities with the radio station. That sounds to me like a fantastic opportunity for blind and visually impaired students interested in radio or communications and media services.
>>
>> Thank you for sharing David, and good luck with this new station.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Meaghan Roper
>> Wheelock college | Class of 2018
>>
>>> On Sep 16, 2017, at 9:40 PM, Ignasi Cambra via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I believe David has helped by streaming Nabs related events in the past, so it seems only natural to me that he lets everyone know that from now on he is going to be broadcasting from a new station. Occasionally I have seen other people on this list publicizing services that they offer and nobody seemed to have anything against it. David wasn’t asking for your money or for your help! He was letting you know that he is starting a new station, letting you know that if you want you can apply to be a DJ and also letting you know that in the future he would be broadcasting things that have to do with Nabs. Why so much anger?? If you don’t like it just don’t read it! I think the subject of the email was clear enough for you to delete it if you were not interested. If from now on we are going to be this strict then lots of content on this list is going to have to go away.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On 17 Sep 2017, at 02:59, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello David,
>>>>
>>>> I do not see how this message advertising your new radio station along with a personal narrative about how it was created has anything to do with blindness or being a student. Therefore, I do not believe this message is appropriate for this email list. I believe the only time it would be appropriate for you to advertise your radio station on this email list would be when you are advertising specific NABS related events. Otherwise, your continued mass announcements about your radio station are simply not appropriate for this email list.
>>>>
>>>> Warm regards,
>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>
>>>> for advertising specific NABS related events.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy via NABS-L
>>>> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 1:35 AM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: David Dunphy <discoduck221 at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] A New Radio Station Is On The Horizon, Will You Join The Radio Revolution?
>>>>
>>>> Please consider passing this along to any friends you think would be
>>>> interested in being part of this new and up and coming radio project.
>>>> As a side note, we plan to carry Nabs events at convention, membership
>>>> calls and a whole lot more! So stay tuned and read below!
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>> Hi All!
>>>> I'm here to announce that a new radio station is going to be born
>>>> soon. But to understand more, let me give you some quick background.
>>>> Internet radio is something that's been around for quite some time.
>>>> Fast connections and powerful computers and easy to use software have
>>>> made it possible for the average person to do a radio show about
>>>> anything; from music to talk and more.
>>>> I was actually fortunate enough to be able to run a station of my own
>>>> called Audio Access FM til 2013. Circumstances came up in my life that
>>>> forced me to give that station up.
>>>> For awhile, I began bouncing around to different radio projects, and
>>>> one thing was clear.
>>>> People on the various projects were doing a variety of things that
>>>> would take the fun out of radio. Whether it was playing favorites,
>>>> letting those who didn't work on the station into managerial meetings,
>>>> too many clicks, station owners not giving equal support to all their
>>>> djs, etc.
>>>> I decided I wanted to return to running a station. Despite my
>>>> controvertial radio past, I felt that the observing I have been doing
>>>> over the years plus growing up taught me a lot. Furthermore, I decided
>>>> I wanted to set a standard for radio that I believe could make it fun
>>>> again, at least for some people.
>>>> So my friends Will Ouellette, Clara Deitz, Chris Nusbaum and I decided
>>>> to get together to form a new station with a unique name and concept.
>>>> We want to change the standards and expectations of an online radio
>>>> station. We want people to know that radio can be fun, and that a
>>>> station can be an atmosphere where people feel welcome, there's no
>>>> drama, and everyone can have a good time while doing their best to put
>>>> on a quality show. There's a reason the broadcasting bug doesn't go
>>>> away for many of us who have been around for awhile. And that's cause
>>>> we know that if you have a nice mix of good people, professionalism
>>>> and the ability to have fun, being on a station with cool people can
>>>> be an amazing joy ride.
>>>> So since the station is on the internet, and the internet is world
>>>> wide, and there are 195 countries in the United Nations Charter, we
>>>> came up with 195 The Globe. And since we want to change expectations
>>>> about radio, our slogan is Welcome To The Radio Revolution.
>>>> This message is inviting you to either broadcast with us, or to follow
>>>> our journey to our launch date and beyond.
>>>> So if you'd like to apply to be a broadcaster, thus being part of this
>>>> new radio revolution, feel free to fill out our broadcaster
>>>> application right now at
>>>> http://www.195theglobe.com
>>>> The above address will soon be the home of our web site, but while we
>>>> work on it, this is where you can fill out our application.
>>>> Eventually, this application will be integrated into the web site. Our
>>>> site is being built with Wordpress to make it easy to find out about
>>>> what's going on, interact with djs and listeners, etc.
>>>> Not a broadcaster? No problem. You can follow our progress til launch
>>>> date by following
>>>> 195_theglobe
>>>> on twitter.
>>>> Our facebook page and other forms of interaction will be coming soon.
>>>> I truly believe that this station will be unique and fun. We might not
>>>> be the biggest and most advanced, but we'll be innovative, fun-loving,
>>>> and there to entertain our listeners and make them happy.
>>>> So, if you want to join the radio revolution, apply at
>>>> http://www.195theglobe.com
>>>> or to follow the revolution, follow
>>>> 195_theglobe
>>>> on twitter.
>>>> If you have any additional questions or want to talk about anything,
>>>> please email me at
>>>> ddunphy at 195theglobe.com
>>>> I hope to see you on our exciting revolutionary radio journey and beyond!
>>>> All the best,
>>>> David Dunphy
>>>>

-- 
David Andrews and long white cane harry!
dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org



From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 19 12:51:26 2017
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 08:51:26 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Expected Release Time for Ios eleven
Message-ID: <59c112d4.85529d0a.2dc5a.1168@mx.google.com>

Hey students hope everyone is going well.  My family and I did 
not have a lot of damage during Hurricane Irma compared to 
others.  I have a question for all of you.  What time is Ios 
eleven expected to be released? Will it be compatible with an 
IPhone 5 C? Hope to hear from you soon.


From alana.leonhardy at gmail.com  Tue Sep 19 13:20:16 2017
From: alana.leonhardy at gmail.com (Alana Leonhardy)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 06:20:16 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Expected Release Time for Ios eleven
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Hello there,
Unfortunately, the iPhone 5C is not supported with iOS 11. If you haven't updated to 10.3.3, you might want to do that now. 
Alana 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2017, at 05:51, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey students hope everyone is going well.  My family and I did not have a lot of damage during Hurricane Irma compared to others.  I have a question for all of you.  What time is Ios eleven expected to be released? Will it be compatible with an IPhone 5 C? Hope to hear from you soon.
> 
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 19 13:28:19 2017
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 09:28:19 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Expected Release Time for Ios eleven
In-Reply-To: <C7615DC2-FDD6-4327-AD79-68D3D53C1D33@gmail.com>
References: <59c112d4.85529d0a.2dc5a.1168@mx.google.com>
	<C7615DC2-FDD6-4327-AD79-68D3D53C1D33@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5993885B-D732-4A02-BDE7-11627CB5EA35@gmail.com>

I have already updated my phone.

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 19, 2017, at 9:20 AM, Alana Leonhardy via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello there,
> Unfortunately, the iPhone 5C is not supported with iOS 11. If you haven't updated to 10.3.3, you might want to do that now. 
> Alana 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 05:51, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey students hope everyone is going well.  My family and I did not have a lot of damage during Hurricane Irma compared to others.  I have a question for all of you.  What time is Ios eleven expected to be released? Will it be compatible with an IPhone 5 C? Hope to hear from you soon.
>> 
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Tue Sep 19 14:12:59 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 07:12:59 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] pop culture portrayals of disabilities
In-Reply-To: <59bfd39c.0869ca0a.6880c.5eac@mx.google.com>
References: <59bfd39c.0869ca0a.6880c.5eac@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <6474DC93-2F30-4B23-9328-D525B59E26AD@gmail.com>

Hi,
I just remembered another book. I read this in fifth grade, so I don't remember it fully enough to give you a detailed description but it's called Things Not Seen, by Andrew Clements. It's about  a blind girl named Alicia and her friend Bobby, who can make himself invisible, so not realistic but still very interesting and funny.
I believe there are also 2 other books in that series called Things Hoped For and Things That Are.
Vejas

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 07:09, Sophie Trist via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear NABS friends,
> 
> Hope everyone's Monday is gejting off to a good start. Next month, I will be partnering with another student at my university to give a presentation on how pop culture portrayals of disabilities create stereotypes and form people's perceptions about us. I will be talking about portrayals of people with physical disabilities, while the other student will be talking about portrayals of mental disabilities. I have a few ideas (Daredevil, Need to Breathe), but if anyone knows of a relatively modern book/movie/TV show that portrays people with disabilities, your input would be super helpful. It can be blindness, deafness, people in wheelchairs, whatever.
> 
> Yours sincerely,
> Sophie Trist
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From matthewhgip at gmail.com  Tue Sep 19 20:25:35 2017
From: matthewhgip at gmail.com (Matthew Gip)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 13:25:35 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] CABS Conference Call
Message-ID: <88CF83C6-69FC-4974-ADB4-85888DD09154@gmail.com>

Hello students! 

The California Association of Blind Students and the entire affiliate of California is gearing up for our historic convention which happens in less than two months. It looks to be a memorable one with many changes coming our way. With that said, I would like to invite you all to our conference call tomorrow evening as we discuss insightful conversation regarding state convention, logistics, and more! The call will take place at 8 pm PDT. Hope you can join us! 

Here's how you can call in: 
Call-in number: (515) 739-1031
Access Code: 958093

As usual, please share our Facebook page where you can locate news, updates, and other important announcements involving our student division.

Best regards,
Matthew Gip 

Sent from my iPad

From sami.j.osborne97 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 19 21:43:16 2017
From: sami.j.osborne97 at gmail.com (Sami Osborne)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 17:43:16 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] IOS 11
Message-ID: <59c18fa7.3428c80a.24d86.1cf6@mx.google.com>

Hi all,

I just updated my phone to IOS 11 this morning, and think it 
really looks awesome so far.  I was just wondering what all you 
guys think about this new release as well.  One thing that's 
really cool is to have the ability to share your music with all 
your friends (using Apple Music) and you won't have to run into 
any copyright issues when trying to share it.  Also, I just 
noticed that it's now possible to have your own voice recorded 
with VO, although not entirely sure how to go about that.  I do 
know that it's in VO settings, then Speech, then Pronunciation, 
but not exactly sure what to do next.  Will the phone guide you 
through the process by telling you to say certain sounds/words, 
or do you just say things at random?

Looking forward to hearing your opinions.

Thanks,

Sami


From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Wed Sep 20 04:28:12 2017
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 23:28:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Numbering pages on BrailleNote Touch
Message-ID: <59c1ee5e.4b369d0a.e7647.73c9@mx.google.com>

Hi NABS Friends,

Thanks to everyone who gave me suggestions for my project on pop culture and disabilities. The ideas were super helpful and made my work a lot easier!

Now I'm wondering if there's any way to create page numbers on the BrailleNote Touch. I've explored the Format Functions in the Keyword context menu but couldn't find it. Is there something I'm missing, or is this not possible on the Touch?

Best wishes,
Soph

From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 20 19:17:44 2017
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 15:17:44 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Your thoughts on the BrailleNote Touch
Message-ID: <59c2bee1.c6e1ca0a.9b3ac.b475@mx.google.com>

Dear Students,

I hope all of you are doing well.  This week I came across some 
job opportunities with two companies that provide  transcription 
services to clients around the world.  While I was reading 
through the website for one of the companies, I discovered that 
they use the Microsoft Cloud to store information from their 
clients and transcribers.  I decided to do some research to find 
out if there are any products that will allow me to use the 
cloud, Google Chrome, Google Docs, and any other third-party 
applications.  On Tuesday I stumbled across the BrailleNote Touch 
from Humanware.  So far, I have heard great things about this 
device.  I know that many of you on this list currently own a 
BrailleNote Touch.  What are your thoughts about it?


From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Wed Sep 20 19:32:01 2017
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 14:32:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Your thoughts on the BrailleNote Touch
Message-ID: <59c2c235.4fca0d0a.c425.4728@mx.google.com>

Dear Roaona,

I just got a BN Touch about two months ago. So far, I am a big fan of it! It has a lot more capability than earlier versions of the BrailleNote. I love that I can use third-party apps like Facebook, Docs, etc. I'm the kind of person who hates to carry around multiple devices; the ability to have a computer and a braille display all in one as opposed to, say, an iPhone paired with a display is very important to me. However, the BrailleNote Touch is extremely expensive. If you only want a device capable of Google products, there is probably a cheaper option. Hope this helps.

Sophie

On Sep 20, 2017 2:17 PM, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Dear Students, 
>
> I hope all of you are doing well.  This week I came across some 
> job opportunities with two companies that provide  transcription 
> services to clients around the world.  While I was reading 
> through the website for one of the companies, I discovered that 
> they use the Microsoft Cloud to store information from their 
> clients and transcribers.  I decided to do some research to find 
> out if there are any products that will allow me to use the 
> cloud, Google Chrome, Google Docs, and any other third-party 
> applications.  On Tuesday I stumbled across the BrailleNote Touch 
> from Humanware.  So far, I have heard great things about this 
> device.  I know that many of you on this list currently own a 
> BrailleNote Touch.  What are your thoughts about it? 
>
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 20 19:36:39 2017
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 15:36:39 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Your thoughts on the BrailleNote Touch
Message-ID: <59c2c350.c6ceca0a.968ff.cc5b@mx.google.com>

Hi Sophie thanks for your message.  I am choosing to upgrade to 
the BrailleNote Touch because it will give me a braille display 
and the ability to use third-party apps.  I have already drafted 
a letter to my Division of Blind Services counselor to see if I 
can trade my Apex in for the touch.  Did you trade your Apex in 
for the Touch? How did you pay for it? Hope to hear from you 
soon.


From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Wed Sep 20 20:58:18 2017
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 15:58:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Your thoughts on the BrailleNote Touch
Message-ID: <59c2d66e.04ee0d0a.1faa2.0bdd@mx.google.com>

Roanna,

I did not end up trading in my Apex because I wanted to keep it as a backup. I got an NFB scholarship this summer and used part of that money to pay for the Touch. I also got a bit of a discount because I ordered it at convention. Good luck wrangling with rehab!

Sophie

On Sep 20, 2017 2:36 PM, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Sophie thanks for your message.  I am choosing to upgrade to 
> the BrailleNote Touch because it will give me a braille display 
> and the ability to use third-party apps.  I have already drafted 
> a letter to my Division of Blind Services counselor to see if I 
> can trade my Apex in for the touch.  Did you trade your Apex in 
> for the Touch? How did you pay for it? Hope to hear from you 
> soon. 
>
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From louvins at gmail.com  Wed Sep 20 23:51:42 2017
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 18:51:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Your thoughts on the BrailleNote Touch
In-Reply-To: <59c2d66e.04ee0d0a.1faa2.0bdd@mx.google.com>
References: <59c2d66e.04ee0d0a.1faa2.0bdd@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CADUoy9tn+iUTMOrzqqL8RD8xgTRF0xXPXJ-o82acTxvcYe-MxQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Roanna.  If your braille note apex was a 32 cell version, then you
could get $800 off as a trade in towards your braille note touch.
You'd have to give your apex to humanware though if you wanted to do
this.  I don't know if your rehab would take your apex in trade and
buy you a new touch.

On 9/20/17, Sophie Trist via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Roanna,
>
> I did not end up trading in my Apex because I wanted to keep it as a backup.
> I got an NFB scholarship this summer and used part of that money to pay for
> the Touch. I also got a bit of a discount because I ordered it at
> convention. Good luck wrangling with rehab!
>
> Sophie
>
> On Sep 20, 2017 2:36 PM, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Sophie thanks for your message.  I am choosing to upgrade to
>> the BrailleNote Touch because it will give me a braille display
>> and the ability to use third-party apps.  I have already drafted
>> a letter to my Division of Blind Services counselor to see if I
>> can trade my Apex in for the touch.  Did you trade your Apex in
>> for the Touch? How did you pay for it? Hope to hear from you
>> soon.
>>
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-- 
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 21 14:11:38 2017
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 10:11:38 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Your thoughts on the BrailleNote Touch
Message-ID: <59c3c8a5.5bae810a.ad1d0.2d26@mx.google.com>

I sent the letter to my rehab counselor this morning and I'm 
waiting to hear back from her.  I'll let you all know what she 
says.


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 21 14:11:33 2017
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 10:11:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Your thoughts on the BrailleNote Touch
Message-ID: <59c3c89f.5bae810a.ad1d0.2d1f@mx.google.com>

Thank you I will let you all know how it goes.


From rob.parso3389 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 21 16:47:15 2017
From: rob.parso3389 at gmail.com (Robert Parsons)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 12:47:15 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: VABS "Bowl with the Blind"
Message-ID: <001501d332f9$47e79080$d7b6b180$@gmail.com>

Greetings NABS

 

Time is quickly approaching for the VABS "Bowl with the Blind" on October 7,
2017 from 1pm-5pm. This event will kick off the National Federation of the
Blind of Virginia's celebration of National Meet the Blind Month. This is
your chance to connect with other students, bring your friends and family
out to have an appropriate time on a Saturday, and raise awareness of the
abilities of blind people in our great state. 

 

Being as this is the first Virginia affiliate  division event for Meet the
Blind Month in a very long time, I will challenge you to go outside your
comfort zone. This is an event that is in a city that is further away from
usual NFBV events in Richmond, Fredericksburg, and Northern Virginia. Let's
show the power of the Federation by making a trek to an event to support our
students just because it is an exciting thing to do. We can't raise
awareness for independence if you guys are going to depend on staying home.

 

We are raffling off an Amazon Tap Bluetooth speaker equipped with Alexa" to
raise funds for more projects, events, and social outings. Come support your
student division and have a wonderful time doing it near the beach. 

 

Location: Pin Boys at the Beach

1577 Laskin Rd. Ste. 100

Virginia Beach, VA 23451

 

There are so many opportunities to make it to this event. Aside from the
bowling alley being near Greyhound and Amtrak services, the division has
chartered vans going from both Richmond and Northern Virginia. If you are
interested in this opportunity, please feel free to contact Robert Parsons
at 804 801 7674 for prices. We look forward to connecting with you at the
bowling alley.

 

Best Regards 

 

 

Robert E. Parsons Jr.

President, Richmond Chapter

President, Virginia Association of Blind Students

National Federation of the Blind of Virginia

Randolph Macon College '18 

Phone: 804 801 7674

"Without struggle, there is no progress." -Frederick Douglass

 


From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Fri Sep 22 15:44:28 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2017 08:44:28 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Selecting Text from a PDF on Iphone?
Message-ID: <4978BE0B-EBEE-428A-A31C-DF87760FFD4F@gmail.com>

Hi All,
My school uses a web site called Brightspace for almost everything: viewing assignments, checking grades, making discussion posts, etc. Overall, I find it to be very accessible. I normally use  my IPhone to navigate the  site. 
When I view  an assignment, whether a word document or PDF, I can easily open the document but I am still online, so therefore  if the Internet was down I would not be  able to open it  again. Therefore I like to select all, then copy and paste the text into an email to myself so  that it is saved and I can view  it on my phone or Apex. This works well with the word documents, but for some reason I am unable to select text  from Pdf's. Therefore I have to read them while online and in one sitting. Does anyone know  if you should be able to select text from a PDF, or if there is another way to save a Pdf so that I can view it at any time even  when I don't have Internet at  any given time? 
Thanks, 
Vejas 

From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 23 23:06:46 2017
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 19:06:46 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind Is
 Seeking to Support DREAMers
Message-ID: <028e01d334c0$a1311530$e3933f90$@gmail.com>

Dear all,

 

This post has been gnawing at me for over a week. Maybe someone can help me
understand our rationale in getting involved in an issue that is clearly
partisan.

 

My understanding is that the NFB seeks to enable all blind individuals to
live the life they want, irrespective of immigration status. No argument
here. I appreciate the work we do to provide equal opportunities for
everyone--regardless of their legal status, which ought not to be any of our
business anyway, and regardless of their membership in our organization.

 

But now we're talking about devoting already limited resources to better
inform policymakers about the administration's decision to rescind the DACA
program. I don't understand how this became a priority.

 

Why are we suddenly interested in providing assistance to beneficiaries of
the DACA program? If we are doing our work correctly, then one could argue
the affected blind beneficiaries are already being served.

 

Why would we collect statistical analyses on the unemployment rate of the
blind before and after the DACA program when we barely have a handle on the
unemployment rate among the majority of blind Americans? If the general
statistics are accurate, then the unemployment rate among the blind is
somewhere in the neighborhood of 75%. I don't understand why our limited
resources would not be devoted to solving for the employment needs of all
blind Americans as opposed to the needs of the few. The fact we are largely
excluded from the vast majority of minimum wage jobs accessible to the rest
of the population should be of greater concern than the consequences of a
program that was legally and constitutionally controversial to start.

 

The DACA program is not likely to result in mass deportations and other grim
predictions forecasted by one side of the highly polarizing issue. The point
is part of a larger debate on immigration reform. Congress should enact
legislation the way it should have done when the legislative measure was
originally proposed under President Bush in 2007, and to be fair, a
bipartisan effort is underway to provide at least a three-year reprieve to
the affected community. Given the convoluted and hotly contested nature of
the overarching dialogue on the matter, why would the NFB spend its limited
political capital appearing to take sides on this issue?

 

Looking through this year's resolutions, I see no mention of devoting
resources to beneficiaries of the DACA program. How do we go about deciding
outreach efforts in situations where our mission was not directed by the
objectives agreed to by our convention?

 

To me, the step feels like an opportunistic means of snagging attention on
an issue that is already steeped in controversy. We are already fighting an
uphill battle on employment equality for those individuals working in
sheltered environments. We already face educational and employment
disparities among highly qualified blind permanent residents and citizens,
born and naturalized.

 

But, perhaps I am missing something. I'm willing to be educated. As a
naturalized citizen, I understand the benefits of something like DACA to get
ahead in this country. For that, there are other immigration rights consumer
groups. We can trust them to take up the cry for fair treatment. We can
trust them to help undocumented individuals find and keep a place in our
society. I would like to think we place our trust in the NFB to make that
society more accessible.

 

Sincerely,

 

Joe

 

From: NFBNet-Members-List [mailto:nfbnet-members-list-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of President, National Federation of the Blind via
NFBNet-Members-List
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:07 AM
To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the
Blind Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
Importance: High

 

National Federation of the Blind Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
 
As the principal vehicle for collective action for the blind in the United
States, the National Federation of the Blind is committed to enabling all
blind people, irrespective of immigration status, to live the lives we want.
To better inform our current and future advocacy and policy strategies, the
National Federation of the Blind is collecting the following information to
better understand the impact of the administration's recent decision to
rescind the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program among the
blind in the United States. The information collected will be used to: 

1.	Identify DREAMers who are blind in order to better understand the
impact on blind people and help inform the National Federation of the Blind
regarding ways the organization can best provide assistance. 
2.	Develop an aggregate summary of the blind people in the United
States who participate in the DACA program, which can be shared with
government officials, advocates, and other interested parties. 
3.	Develop statistical analyses on the unemployment rate among the
blind before and after the establishment of the DACA program. 
4.	Highlight general narratives of blind people living the lives they
want because of the DACA program. 
5.	Coordinate a community of blind DACA recipients in order to maximize
the resources available. 

 
If you or someone you know is blind and receives DACA benefits, please
complete the National Federation of the Blind DACA form at the below links
(available in Spanish and English), or share this information with them. If
you know of a DREAMer who does not have internet access, we would appreciate
your helping them complete the form.
 
Spanish NFB DACA form: https://nfb.org/daca-es 
English NFB DACA form: https://nfb.org/daca
 
Together with love, hope, and determination, the National Federation of the
Blind transforms dreams into reality. Through this effort we seek to support
the hopes and dreams of blind people seeking to be fully contributing
members of our nation.
 
 
Mark A. Riccobono, President
200 East Wells Street, Baltimore, MD 21230
(410) 659-9314 | Officeofthepresident at nfb.org
Twitter: @Riccobono
 
 
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Blind
 
 
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The National Federation of the Blind is a community of members and friends
who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation's blind. Every day we work
together to help blind people live the lives they want. 
 
 

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From goosie1011 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 24 02:49:25 2017
From: goosie1011 at gmail.com (Garrett Kearns)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 22:49:25 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind Is
 Seeking to Support DREAMers
In-Reply-To: <028e01d334c0$a1311530$e3933f90$@gmail.com>
References: <028e01d334c0$a1311530$e3933f90$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPYPraxJdMq-7WT=z5ZhTou49YpJF7DWX4VJ+LxmdVb9CpHcNw@mail.gmail.com>

Is this a PR move? Probably. Is it the right thing to do? Absolutely.
The economy of our country is reliant on illegal immigrants, if you
see an attack against them as a partisan issue, I don't know what to
tell you. Doing away with DACA is part of Trump's white
nationalist/racist agenda. If that isn't obvious to you, then you're
missing the forest for the trees.

On 9/23/17, Joe via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> This post has been gnawing at me for over a week. Maybe someone can help me
> understand our rationale in getting involved in an issue that is clearly
> partisan.
>
>
>
> My understanding is that the NFB seeks to enable all blind individuals to
> live the life they want, irrespective of immigration status. No argument
> here. I appreciate the work we do to provide equal opportunities for
> everyone--regardless of their legal status, which ought not to be any of
> our
> business anyway, and regardless of their membership in our organization.
>
>
>
> But now we're talking about devoting already limited resources to better
> inform policymakers about the administration's decision to rescind the DACA
> program. I don't understand how this became a priority.
>
>
>
> Why are we suddenly interested in providing assistance to beneficiaries of
> the DACA program? If we are doing our work correctly, then one could argue
> the affected blind beneficiaries are already being served.
>
>
>
> Why would we collect statistical analyses on the unemployment rate of the
> blind before and after the DACA program when we barely have a handle on the
> unemployment rate among the majority of blind Americans? If the general
> statistics are accurate, then the unemployment rate among the blind is
> somewhere in the neighborhood of 75%. I don't understand why our limited
> resources would not be devoted to solving for the employment needs of all
> blind Americans as opposed to the needs of the few. The fact we are largely
> excluded from the vast majority of minimum wage jobs accessible to the rest
> of the population should be of greater concern than the consequences of a
> program that was legally and constitutionally controversial to start.
>
>
>
> The DACA program is not likely to result in mass deportations and other
> grim
> predictions forecasted by one side of the highly polarizing issue. The
> point
> is part of a larger debate on immigration reform. Congress should enact
> legislation the way it should have done when the legislative measure was
> originally proposed under President Bush in 2007, and to be fair, a
> bipartisan effort is underway to provide at least a three-year reprieve to
> the affected community. Given the convoluted and hotly contested nature of
> the overarching dialogue on the matter, why would the NFB spend its limited
> political capital appearing to take sides on this issue?
>
>
>
> Looking through this year's resolutions, I see no mention of devoting
> resources to beneficiaries of the DACA program. How do we go about deciding
> outreach efforts in situations where our mission was not directed by the
> objectives agreed to by our convention?
>
>
>
> To me, the step feels like an opportunistic means of snagging attention on
> an issue that is already steeped in controversy. We are already fighting an
> uphill battle on employment equality for those individuals working in
> sheltered environments. We already face educational and employment
> disparities among highly qualified blind permanent residents and citizens,
> born and naturalized.
>
>
>
> But, perhaps I am missing something. I'm willing to be educated. As a
> naturalized citizen, I understand the benefits of something like DACA to
> get
> ahead in this country. For that, there are other immigration rights
> consumer
> groups. We can trust them to take up the cry for fair treatment. We can
> trust them to help undocumented individuals find and keep a place in our
> society. I would like to think we place our trust in the NFB to make that
> society more accessible.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> From: NFBNet-Members-List [mailto:nfbnet-members-list-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
> Behalf Of President, National Federation of the Blind via
> NFBNet-Members-List
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:07 AM
> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the
> Blind Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
> Importance: High
>
>
>
> National Federation of the Blind Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>
> As the principal vehicle for collective action for the blind in the United
> States, the National Federation of the Blind is committed to enabling all
> blind people, irrespective of immigration status, to live the lives we
> want.
> To better inform our current and future advocacy and policy strategies, the
> National Federation of the Blind is collecting the following information to
> better understand the impact of the administration's recent decision to
> rescind the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program among the
> blind in the United States. The information collected will be used to:
>
> 1.	Identify DREAMers who are blind in order to better understand the
> impact on blind people and help inform the National Federation of the Blind
> regarding ways the organization can best provide assistance.
> 2.	Develop an aggregate summary of the blind people in the United
> States who participate in the DACA program, which can be shared with
> government officials, advocates, and other interested parties.
> 3.	Develop statistical analyses on the unemployment rate among the
> blind before and after the establishment of the DACA program.
> 4.	Highlight general narratives of blind people living the lives they
> want because of the DACA program.
> 5.	Coordinate a community of blind DACA recipients in order to maximize
> the resources available.
>
>
> If you or someone you know is blind and receives DACA benefits, please
> complete the National Federation of the Blind DACA form at the below links
> (available in Spanish and English), or share this information with them. If
> you know of a DREAMer who does not have internet access, we would
> appreciate
> your helping them complete the form.
>
> Spanish NFB DACA form: https://nfb.org/daca-es
> English NFB DACA form: https://nfb.org/daca
>
> Together with love, hope, and determination, the National Federation of the
> Blind transforms dreams into reality. Through this effort we seek to
> support
> the hopes and dreams of blind people seeking to be fully contributing
> members of our nation.
>
>
> Mark A. Riccobono, President
> 200 East Wells Street, Baltimore, MD 21230
> (410) 659-9314 | Officeofthepresident at nfb.org
> Twitter: @Riccobono
>
>
>  <https://nfb.org/> Image removed by sender. National Federation of the
> Blind
>
>
> <http://www.facebook.com/nationalfederationoftheblind> Image removed by
> sender. Facebook     <https://twitter.com/NFB_Voice> Image removed by
> sender. Twitter     <https://www.youtube.com/NationsBlind> Image removed by
> sender. Youtube
>
> The National Federation of the Blind is a community of members and friends
> who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation's blind. Every day we
> work
> together to help blind people live the lives they want.
>
>
>
>


From lucysirianni at gmail.com  Sun Sep 24 03:03:54 2017
From: lucysirianni at gmail.com (Lucy Sirianni)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 20:03:54 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Help with unresponsive iPhone!
Message-ID: <59c7209c.4d38620a.875f8.e713@mx.google.com>

Hi all,

My iPhone shut down about 6 hours ago (no idea why), and I'm really hoping someone here might be able to help me get it back up and running. I've tried holding down the power button and the screen-lock button together as well as just the power button on its own, but so far, nothing. I have just enough vision to see that there's a flickering light at the top of the screen, so I know it's not completely dead, but there are no sounds and no other form of response.

Any help would be very appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

Lucy

From taylorarndt99 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 24 03:08:32 2017
From: taylorarndt99 at gmail.com (Taylor Arndt)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 23:08:32 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Help with unresponsive iPhone!
In-Reply-To: <59c7209c.4d38620a.875f8.e713@mx.google.com>
References: <59c7209c.4d38620a.875f8.e713@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <1E117ECB-EBC1-44EE-ABC3-B1ED705BC5D7@gmail.com>

Could you try to put in recovery mode

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 23, 2017, at 11:03 PM, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> My iPhone shut down about 6 hours ago (no idea why), and I'm really hoping someone here might be able to help me get it back up and running. I've tried holding down the power button and the screen-lock button together as well as just the power button on its own, but so far, nothing. I have just enough vision to see that there's a flickering light at the top of the screen, so I know it's not completely dead, but there are no sounds and no other form of response.
> 
> Any help would be very appreciated.
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> Lucy
> _______________________________________________
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> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From kaity.hall at icloud.com  Sun Sep 24 03:16:08 2017
From: kaity.hall at icloud.com (Kaity Hall)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 22:16:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Help with unresponsive iPhone!
In-Reply-To: <1E117ECB-EBC1-44EE-ABC3-B1ED705BC5D7@gmail.com>
References: <59c7209c.4d38620a.875f8.e713@mx.google.com>
	<1E117ECB-EBC1-44EE-ABC3-B1ED705BC5D7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87B02598-EBCC-4C2B-9677-42F3EBA024E1@icloud.com>

Is your volume turned all the way down? If you are a VoiceOver user it may be you turned it all the way down.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 23, 2017, at 10:08 PM, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Could you try to put in recovery mode
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 23, 2017, at 11:03 PM, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> My iPhone shut down about 6 hours ago (no idea why), and I'm really hoping someone here might be able to help me get it back up and running. I've tried holding down the power button and the screen-lock button together as well as just the power button on its own, but so far, nothing. I have just enough vision to see that there's a flickering light at the top of the screen, so I know it's not completely dead, but there are no sounds and no other form of response.
>> 
>> Any help would be very appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance!
>> 
>> Lucy
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/taylorarndt99%40gmail.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From alana.leonhardy at gmail.com  Sun Sep 24 03:16:38 2017
From: alana.leonhardy at gmail.com (Alana Leonhardy)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 20:16:38 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Help with unresponsive iPhone!
In-Reply-To: <59c7209c.4d38620a.875f8.e713@mx.google.com>
References: <59c7209c.4d38620a.875f8.e713@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <F0507BB9-9D94-4F46-B90B-78CEDB7A3BBB@gmail.com>

Hello,
Did you try and update to ios11? Apparently, there have been reports of some updates going wrong and bricking phones. You may have to restore it from a previous backup. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 23, 2017, at 20:03, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> My iPhone shut down about 6 hours ago (no idea why), and I'm really hoping someone here might be able to help me get it back up and running. I've tried holding down the power button and the screen-lock button together as well as just the power button on its own, but so far, nothing. I have just enough vision to see that there's a flickering light at the top of the screen, so I know it's not completely dead, but there are no sounds and no other form of response.
> 
> Any help would be very appreciated.
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> Lucy
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From jfranks at nfbtx.org  Sun Sep 24 03:23:55 2017
From: jfranks at nfbtx.org (Jonathan Franks)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 22:23:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Help with unresponsive iPhone!
In-Reply-To: <59c7209c.4d38620a.875f8.e713@mx.google.com>
References: <59c7209c.4d38620a.875f8.e713@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAMuaAOKamAqK0JjL-Lbk3Nm42-7PJWYm_PNdVqDP6j3_pK23=A@mail.gmail.com>

Hey there,
Have you tried pressing the home button 3 times to start voiceover? Or
asked Syri to activate it? If it completely dies, try charging it.

HTH and good luck

Jonathan Franks BSW
Board Member
National Federation of the Blind of Texas
Graduate Student
MSW Program
Texas State university

On 9/23/17, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> My iPhone shut down about 6 hours ago (no idea why), and I'm really hoping
> someone here might be able to help me get it back up and running. I've tried
> holding down the power button and the screen-lock button together as well as
> just the power button on its own, but so far, nothing. I have just enough
> vision to see that there's a flickering light at the top of the screen, so I
> know it's not completely dead, but there are no sounds and no other form of
> response.
>
> Any help would be very appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Lucy
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NABS-L:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jfranks%40nfbtx.org
>


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characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
expectations of blind people, because low expectations create
obstacles between blind people  and our dreams. You can live the life
you want; blindness is not what holds you back.


From lucysirianni at gmail.com  Sun Sep 24 04:08:04 2017
From: lucysirianni at gmail.com (Lucy Sirianni)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 21:08:04 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Help with unresponsive iPhone!
Message-ID: <59c72fa6.1c7c630a.3a5e9.e5d2@mx.google.com>

Thanks, all, for the responses! Unfortunately, I've tried to implement them all, and none of them has solved the problem. The only thing I'm not sure about is "Recovery Mode," which Taylor suggested but which I'm not sure how to enter. Any additional info or ideas would be so appreciated!

Lucy

On Sep 23, 2017 8:23 PM, Jonathan Franks <jfranks at nfbtx.org> wrote:
>
> Hey there, 
> Have you tried pressing the home button 3 times to start voiceover? Or 
> asked Syri to activate it? If it completely dies, try charging it. 
>
> HTH and good luck 
>
> Jonathan Franks BSW 
> Board Member 
> National Federation of the Blind of Texas 
> Graduate Student 
> MSW Program 
> Texas State university 
>
> On 9/23/17, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: 
> > Hi all, 
> > 
> > My iPhone shut down about 6 hours ago (no idea why), and I'm really hoping 
> > someone here might be able to help me get it back up and running. I've tried 
> > holding down the power button and the screen-lock button together as well as 
> > just the power button on its own, but so far, nothing. I have just enough 
> > vision to see that there's a flickering light at the top of the screen, so I 
> > know it's not completely dead, but there are no sounds and no other form of 
> > response. 
> > 
> > Any help would be very appreciated. 
> > 
> > Thanks in advance! 
> > 
> > Lucy 
> > _______________________________________________ 
> > NABS-L mailing list 
> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org 
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org 
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> > NABS-L: 
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jfranks%40nfbtx.org 
> > 
>
>
> -- 
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the 
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the 
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create 
> obstacles between blind people  and our dreams. You can live the life 
> you want; blindness is not what holds you back. 

From lucysirianni at gmail.com  Sun Sep 24 04:19:31 2017
From: lucysirianni at gmail.com (Lucy Sirianni)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 21:19:31 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Help with unresponsive iPhone!
Message-ID: <59c73255.4a48620a.fe3f8.ee55@mx.google.com>

Oh, also, no, I haven't tried to update to IOS 11 or done anything else out of the ordinary. Thanks again, all!

On Sep 23, 2017 8:23 PM, Jonathan Franks <jfranks at nfbtx.org> wrote:
>
> Hey there, 
> Have you tried pressing the home button 3 times to start voiceover? Or 
> asked Syri to activate it? If it completely dies, try charging it. 
>
> HTH and good luck 
>
> Jonathan Franks BSW 
> Board Member 
> National Federation of the Blind of Texas 
> Graduate Student 
> MSW Program 
> Texas State university 
>
> On 9/23/17, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: 
> > Hi all, 
> > 
> > My iPhone shut down about 6 hours ago (no idea why), and I'm really hoping 
> > someone here might be able to help me get it back up and running. I've tried 
> > holding down the power button and the screen-lock button together as well as 
> > just the power button on its own, but so far, nothing. I have just enough 
> > vision to see that there's a flickering light at the top of the screen, so I 
> > know it's not completely dead, but there are no sounds and no other form of 
> > response. 
> > 
> > Any help would be very appreciated. 
> > 
> > Thanks in advance! 
> > 
> > Lucy 
> > _______________________________________________ 
> > NABS-L mailing list 
> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org 
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org 
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> > NABS-L: 
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jfranks%40nfbtx.org 
> > 
>
>
> -- 
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the 
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the 
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create 
> obstacles between blind people  and our dreams. You can live the life 
> you want; blindness is not what holds you back. 

From rob.parso3389 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 24 05:45:19 2017
From: rob.parso3389 at gmail.com (Robert Parsons)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 01:45:19 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] 2017 VABS Program for NFBV State Convention
Message-ID: <004d01d334f8$4ed0d900$ec728b00$@gmail.com>

Howdy NABS

 

If you are in the DMV area (DC, Maryland, Virginia) area the first weekend
in November, come on down to Falls Church and get a piece of this action
VABS has going on. I promise you won't be disappointed. 

 

Below you will find the official schedule of the 2017 NFBV State Convention
for VABS Programs. I appreciate the students that opted to lead discussions
and I hope that your contribution will inspire everyone else. 

 

2017 NFBV State Convention Student Program

 

Friday, November 3, 2017

 

8pm-10pm: VABS Student Social and Membership Affair

 

Bring $5 to pay your yearly dues to the division. This is the time where you
all are officially considered members. Paying your dues gives you voting
privileges, assistance privileges, and the right to represent us on a local,
state, and national level. 

Beginning at 8pm:

 

Welcome to the Division: Robert Parsons

Collection of Dues and Registration: Andrea Perry

Ice Breakers Session: Kinston Walker, Naim Abu El-Hawa, Andrea Perry,
Michael Munn.

 

Saturday, November 4, 2017

 

12pm-1:30pm: VABS Student luncheon and Business Meeting

 

This is our annual business meeting, where we reflect and review all that
has been accomplished during the year and make plans on how we can improve
our efficiency and bank account in the future.

 

Welcome Address: Robert Parsons, Kathryn Webster.

Treasurer's Report: Andrea Perry.

Discussion on Events/Fundraising: Naim Abu El-Hawa.

Plans: Membership as a Whole

Elections: Kathryn Webster., Robert Parsons.

 

1:30pm-4:pm: Breakout Sessions

 

These 30-minute panel discussions are used as points of knowledge for many
questions that may be burning in your minds. Take the time to ask the
student speakers about their experience and what they suggest.

 

1:30pm-2pm: Netiquette and How to Effectively Communicate

Student Panel: Christopher Nusbaum, Robert Parsons, Kinston Walker

 

2:30pm-3pm: Social Pressures of High School and College

 

Student Panel: Naim Abu El-Hawa, Michael Munn, Oscar Montiel

2:30pm-3pm: Training and Its Benefits

 

Student Panel: Michael Ausbund, Marc Canamaso, Chris Nusbaum

 

3pm-3:30pm: VABS and the Federation: The Effectiveness of the Network

 

Student panel: Kathryn Webster, Luke Schwinck, Andrea Perry

 

3:30pm-4pm: Legislative Advocacy and AIM High

 

Student Panel: Michael Ausbund, Robert Parsons, Naim Abu El-Hawa

 

Sunday, November 5, 2017

 

9am-11:30am: Self-Defense Youth Track Collaboration

 

Bring your game face, sweat pants, and Bruce Lee moves because VABS is
getting physical. This self-defense course will teach practical self-defense
so that in the event danger is at your doorstep you can act freely, move
swiftly, and be free of all bodily harm.

 

Please keep in mind, we will be having our fundraiser the whole time that we
are at convention. We will be selling customized braille bracelets. Also,
please stay tuned for more updates about more items.

 

Thanks 

 

 

Robert E. Parsons Jr.

President, Richmond Chapter

President, Virginia Association of Blind Students

National Federation of the Blind of Virginia

Randolph Macon College '18 

Phone: 804 801 7674

"Without struggle, there is no progress." -Frederick Douglass

 


From tyler at tysdomain.com  Sun Sep 24 05:54:22 2017
From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 01:54:22 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Help with unresponsive iPhone!
In-Reply-To: <59c73255.4a48620a.fe3f8.ee55@mx.google.com>
References: <59c73255.4a48620a.fe3f8.ee55@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <eeb721bf-965d-fa8f-9b2f-4b5d930f2a99@tysdomain.com>

Lucy:
Hold down the lock and power buttons for about 10 seconds. let go and
give it a few seconds, then hold power down again. this will force it to
restart.
HTH,

On 9/24/2017 12:19 AM, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L wrote:
> Oh, also, no, I haven't tried to update to IOS 11 or done anything else out of the ordinary. Thanks again, all!
>
> On Sep 23, 2017 8:23 PM, Jonathan Franks <jfranks at nfbtx.org> wrote:
>> Hey there, 
>> Have you tried pressing the home button 3 times to start voiceover? Or 
>> asked Syri to activate it? If it completely dies, try charging it. 
>>
>> HTH and good luck 
>>
>> Jonathan Franks BSW 
>> Board Member 
>> National Federation of the Blind of Texas 
>> Graduate Student 
>> MSW Program 
>> Texas State university 
>>
>> On 9/23/17, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: 
>>> Hi all, 
>>>
>>> My iPhone shut down about 6 hours ago (no idea why), and I'm really hoping 
>>> someone here might be able to help me get it back up and running. I've tried 
>>> holding down the power button and the screen-lock button together as well as 
>>> just the power button on its own, but so far, nothing. I have just enough 
>>> vision to see that there's a flickering light at the top of the screen, so I 
>>> know it's not completely dead, but there are no sounds and no other form of 
>>> response. 
>>>
>>> Any help would be very appreciated. 
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance! 
>>>
>>> Lucy 
>>> _______________________________________________ 
>>> NABS-L mailing list 
>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org 
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org 
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>>> NABS-L: 
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jfranks%40nfbtx.org 
>>>
>>
>> -- 
>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the 
>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the 
>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create 
>> obstacles between blind people  and our dreams. You can live the life 
>> you want; blindness is not what holds you back. 
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
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From santiago.blue.hernandez at gmail.com  Sun Sep 24 05:57:35 2017
From: santiago.blue.hernandez at gmail.com (Santiago)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 22:57:35 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Help with unresponsive iPhone!
In-Reply-To: <eeb721bf-965d-fa8f-9b2f-4b5d930f2a99@tysdomain.com>
References: <59c73255.4a48620a.fe3f8.ee55@mx.google.com>
	<eeb721bf-965d-fa8f-9b2f-4b5d930f2a99@tysdomain.com>
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That should resolve it if it's a software issue. Hopefully that's the case, and not an issue with the phone itself. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 23, 2017, at 10:54 PM, Littlefield, Tyler via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Lucy:
> Hold down the lock and power buttons for about 10 seconds. let go and
> give it a few seconds, then hold power down again. this will force it to
> restart.
> HTH,
> 
>> On 9/24/2017 12:19 AM, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L wrote:
>> Oh, also, no, I haven't tried to update to IOS 11 or done anything else out of the ordinary. Thanks again, all!
>> 
>>> On Sep 23, 2017 8:23 PM, Jonathan Franks <jfranks at nfbtx.org> wrote:
>>> Hey there, 
>>> Have you tried pressing the home button 3 times to start voiceover? Or 
>>> asked Syri to activate it? If it completely dies, try charging it. 
>>> 
>>> HTH and good luck 
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Franks BSW 
>>> Board Member 
>>> National Federation of the Blind of Texas 
>>> Graduate Student 
>>> MSW Program 
>>> Texas State university 
>>> 
>>>> On 9/23/17, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: 
>>>> Hi all, 
>>>> 
>>>> My iPhone shut down about 6 hours ago (no idea why), and I'm really hoping 
>>>> someone here might be able to help me get it back up and running. I've tried 
>>>> holding down the power button and the screen-lock button together as well as 
>>>> just the power button on its own, but so far, nothing. I have just enough 
>>>> vision to see that there's a flickering light at the top of the screen, so I 
>>>> know it's not completely dead, but there are no sounds and no other form of 
>>>> response. 
>>>> 
>>>> Any help would be very appreciated. 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks in advance! 
>>>> 
>>>> Lucy 
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>>>> 
>>> 
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>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the 
>>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create 
>>> obstacles between blind people  and our dreams. You can live the life 
>>> you want; blindness is not what holds you back. 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 24 12:17:56 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 08:17:56 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Help with unresponsive iPhone!
In-Reply-To: <CAMuaAOKamAqK0JjL-Lbk3Nm42-7PJWYm_PNdVqDP6j3_pK23=A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <59c7209c.4d38620a.875f8.e713@mx.google.com>
	<CAMuaAOKamAqK0JjL-Lbk3Nm42-7PJWYm_PNdVqDP6j3_pK23=A@mail.gmail.com>
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One thing I've done is to hold the lock button, and the home button done for
about 15 or 20 seconds.  I've not been looking at this thread, so I'll bet
someone has told you this, but I've done that, and gotten it to respond
because doing that warm resets it.
 Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Franks
via NABS-L
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 11:24 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Jonathan Franks <jfranks at nfbtx.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help with unresponsive iPhone!

Hey there,
Have you tried pressing the home button 3 times to start voiceover? Or asked
Syri to activate it? If it completely dies, try charging it.

HTH and good luck

Jonathan Franks BSW
Board Member
National Federation of the Blind of Texas Graduate Student MSW Program Texas
State university

On 9/23/17, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> My iPhone shut down about 6 hours ago (no idea why), and I'm really 
> hoping someone here might be able to help me get it back up and 
> running. I've tried holding down the power button and the screen-lock 
> button together as well as just the power button on its own, but so 
> far, nothing. I have just enough vision to see that there's a 
> flickering light at the top of the screen, so I know it's not 
> completely dead, but there are no sounds and no other form of response.
>
> Any help would be very appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Lucy
> _______________________________________________
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> g
>


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From eemcrew at gmail.com  Sun Sep 24 17:47:08 2017
From: eemcrew at gmail.com (Ellana Crew)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 13:47:08 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Character-Based Language Classes
Message-ID: <54CD81FF-7F0D-4BCA-AA19-841AED648D5E@gmail.com>

Afternoon friends,

Recently, I have been thinking of taking courses at my college to learn Japanese or Chinese, however I am not totally certain how to go about doing this as a blind person considering that these are character-based languages. I much prefer to do things non-visually, however I do have a certain level of residual vision that I could use if it came down to it. Essentially, I am wondering if there is anybody who has taken classes for character-based languages that may be able to give me some pointers on how to get through such a class, given that the class will almost certainly be teaching the basics of the written characters and that assignments will most likely contain written characters fairly frequently.

I know that there are braille systems for these languages, however I'm not sure if that would be practical considering that the professor would not have any knowledge of the braille form, so I feel it would likely be quite difficult to try and learn the language in braille in a class that teaches printed form and uses it for assignments. My guess is that it would be much easier to learn the language first and then learn the braille format, as trying to learn both simultaneously does not seem very practical in a mainstream college class.

I also know that I do have the option of attempting to learn a language outside of the classroom setting on my own, first, in a way that may be somewhat more accessible, though I would very much like to take advantage of the classes offered through my school. It may be that I may need to try and learn some basics on my own, first, and then take the classes later on to be able to get the credit for them.

If there is anybody who is taking classes for character-based languages, especially if you have specifically taken either Japanese or Chinese, I would really, really love to hear how you made it work and what sorts of accommodations you used and what systems you had with your professor to inshore that you were given the equal opportunity to really learn the language. This is something I have wanted to do since early high school, and would really like to find a way to make it happen. Any experiences you could share with me would be wonderful and feel free to email me off list if you would really like to start some real in-depth dialogue about this.

Thank you all and have a nice afternoon!

Ellana Crew, Vice President
Maryland Association of Blind Students
Website: nfbmd.org/students
Facebook: facebook.com/mdabs.federation
Twitter: @MDABS_NFB

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.

From discoduck221 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 24 19:43:12 2017
From: discoduck221 at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 15:43:12 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Come Meet The Board Of The Radio Station Covering Nabs
 Events Going Forward Tonight
Message-ID: <CA+Wnc9Rtu2Z-CqQDVdC5CRsPwPMnnd-DUJF6P5Mkrid7xnxVEg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All!
The radio station that will be helping promote Nabs events is inviting
you to meet its management team at 8 PM eastern on a special webcast
presented by Spreaker.
Hear our goals, what we hope to accomplish, and maybe hear some tunes too!
To tune in, you can either
1. Follow
195_theglobe
on twitter and the link will be tweeted out at 8 PM eastern tonight
2. Visit
http://www.spreaker.com/user/10104110
where you'll see the link to check out the live webcast. That same
link will enable you to download a recording of the webcast if you
miss it.
During the show, if you have any questions for us, tweet
195_theglobe
using the hash tag
#MeetTheGlobe
Hope to have you tune in tonight!
>From David


From misokwak12 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 24 20:45:43 2017
From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 13:45:43 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Character-Based Language Classes
In-Reply-To: <54CD81FF-7F0D-4BCA-AA19-841AED648D5E@gmail.com>
References: <54CD81FF-7F0D-4BCA-AA19-841AED648D5E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMe9x_GnHXx6zei_ndyex0pp5V6fpCoPBuBxPFZF+ZLj7XF2Sw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ellana,
I know for fact that both Chinese and Japanese have Braille code.
That being said, I am not sure if any of popularly used braille note
takers in the U.S. support any of East Asian languages.
I imagine JAWS and NVDA are capable of reading these languages. They
are capable of reading Korean, although the pronounciation is not the
best.
If you learn how to type and how to understand the screen reader I
these languages, I think you can take these classes in mainstream
setting.

On another note, if you want to learn Korean, feel free to message me
off list. I am a native speaker and know the Korean Braille code as
well.

Best,
Miso

On 9/24/17, Ellana Crew via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Afternoon friends,
>
> Recently, I have been thinking of taking courses at my college to learn
> Japanese or Chinese, however I am not totally certain how to go about doing
> this as a blind person considering that these are character-based languages.
> I much prefer to do things non-visually, however I do have a certain level
> of residual vision that I could use if it came down to it. Essentially, I am
> wondering if there is anybody who has taken classes for character-based
> languages that may be able to give me some pointers on how to get through
> such a class, given that the class will almost certainly be teaching the
> basics of the written characters and that assignments will most likely
> contain written characters fairly frequently.
>
> I know that there are braille systems for these languages, however I'm not
> sure if that would be practical considering that the professor would not
> have any knowledge of the braille form, so I feel it would likely be quite
> difficult to try and learn the language in braille in a class that teaches
> printed form and uses it for assignments. My guess is that it would be much
> easier to learn the language first and then learn the braille format, as
> trying to learn both simultaneously does not seem very practical in a
> mainstream college class.
>
> I also know that I do have the option of attempting to learn a language
> outside of the classroom setting on my own, first, in a way that may be
> somewhat more accessible, though I would very much like to take advantage of
> the classes offered through my school. It may be that I may need to try and
> learn some basics on my own, first, and then take the classes later on to be
> able to get the credit for them.
>
> If there is anybody who is taking classes for character-based languages,
> especially if you have specifically taken either Japanese or Chinese, I
> would really, really love to hear how you made it work and what sorts of
> accommodations you used and what systems you had with your professor to
> inshore that you were given the equal opportunity to really learn the
> language. This is something I have wanted to do since early high school, and
> would really like to find a way to make it happen. Any experiences you could
> share with me would be wonderful and feel free to email me off list if you
> would really like to start some real in-depth dialogue about this.
>
> Thank you all and have a nice afternoon!
>
> Ellana Crew, Vice President
> Maryland Association of Blind Students
> Website: nfbmd.org/students
> Facebook: facebook.com/mdabs.federation
> Twitter: @MDABS_NFB
>
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
> blindness is not what holds you back.
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NABS-L:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/misokwak12%40gmail.com
>


-- 
Miso Kwak
University of California, Los Angeles | 2017
Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
(909) 660-1897


From sarah at sarahblakelarose.com  Sun Sep 24 20:53:51 2017
From: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com (sarah at sarahblakelarose.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 16:53:51 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Character-Based Language Classes
In-Reply-To: <CAMe9x_GnHXx6zei_ndyex0pp5V6fpCoPBuBxPFZF+ZLj7XF2Sw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54CD81FF-7F0D-4BCA-AA19-841AED648D5E@gmail.com>
	<CAMe9x_GnHXx6zei_ndyex0pp5V6fpCoPBuBxPFZF+ZLj7XF2Sw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007501d33577$3a86a7c0$af93f740$@sarahblakelarose.com>

Duxbury supports these braille codes, but getting proper translations relies on proper document formatting. I teach Hebrew and we have similar problems. If the characters are input in the wrong order they still look correct visually but Duxbury does not recognize the translation order. 
IOS supports Chinese. I cannot guarantee how it sounds. I believe that JAWS may support Mandarin as well. Check the Vocalizer voices on their site.


Rev. Sarah Blake LaRose
http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
Accessible instruction in Biblical languages

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso Kwak via NABS-L
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 4:46 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Miso Kwak <misokwak12 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Character-Based Language Classes

Hi Ellana,
I know for fact that both Chinese and Japanese have Braille code.
That being said, I am not sure if any of popularly used braille note takers in the U.S. support any of East Asian languages.
I imagine JAWS and NVDA are capable of reading these languages. They are capable of reading Korean, although the pronounciation is not the best.
If you learn how to type and how to understand the screen reader I these languages, I think you can take these classes in mainstream setting.

On another note, if you want to learn Korean, feel free to message me off list. I am a native speaker and know the Korean Braille code as well.

Best,
Miso

On 9/24/17, Ellana Crew via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Afternoon friends,
>
> Recently, I have been thinking of taking courses at my college to 
> learn Japanese or Chinese, however I am not totally certain how to go 
> about doing this as a blind person considering that these are character-based languages.
> I much prefer to do things non-visually, however I do have a certain 
> level of residual vision that I could use if it came down to it. 
> Essentially, I am wondering if there is anybody who has taken classes 
> for character-based languages that may be able to give me some 
> pointers on how to get through such a class, given that the class will 
> almost certainly be teaching the basics of the written characters and 
> that assignments will most likely contain written characters fairly frequently.
>
> I know that there are braille systems for these languages, however I'm 
> not sure if that would be practical considering that the professor 
> would not have any knowledge of the braille form, so I feel it would 
> likely be quite difficult to try and learn the language in braille in 
> a class that teaches printed form and uses it for assignments. My 
> guess is that it would be much easier to learn the language first and 
> then learn the braille format, as trying to learn both simultaneously 
> does not seem very practical in a mainstream college class.
>
> I also know that I do have the option of attempting to learn a 
> language outside of the classroom setting on my own, first, in a way 
> that may be somewhat more accessible, though I would very much like to 
> take advantage of the classes offered through my school. It may be 
> that I may need to try and learn some basics on my own, first, and 
> then take the classes later on to be able to get the credit for them.
>
> If there is anybody who is taking classes for character-based 
> languages, especially if you have specifically taken either Japanese 
> or Chinese, I would really, really love to hear how you made it work 
> and what sorts of accommodations you used and what systems you had 
> with your professor to inshore that you were given the equal 
> opportunity to really learn the language. This is something I have 
> wanted to do since early high school, and would really like to find a 
> way to make it happen. Any experiences you could share with me would 
> be wonderful and feel free to email me off list if you would really like to start some real in-depth dialogue about this.
>
> Thank you all and have a nice afternoon!
>
> Ellana Crew, Vice President
> Maryland Association of Blind Students
> Website: nfbmd.org/students
> Facebook: facebook.com/mdabs.federation
> Twitter: @MDABS_NFB
>
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the 
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the 
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create 
> obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life 
> you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NABS-L:
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> .com
>


--
Miso Kwak
University of California, Los Angeles | 2017 Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
(909) 660-1897

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From bestca21 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 24 20:58:12 2017
From: bestca21 at gmail.com (Caitlin Best)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 16:58:12 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Character-Based Language Classes
In-Reply-To: <CAMe9x_GnHXx6zei_ndyex0pp5V6fpCoPBuBxPFZF+ZLj7XF2Sw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54CD81FF-7F0D-4BCA-AA19-841AED648D5E@gmail.com>
	<CAMe9x_GnHXx6zei_ndyex0pp5V6fpCoPBuBxPFZF+ZLj7XF2Sw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <315C71D3-2D05-4BDB-AAA5-3F1E522F04EC@gmail.com>

I have been taking Japanese for the last couple years. I have an XL spreadsheet with the Japanese braille code as well! I also have been using Jaws with a Japanese voice and it works great. Most note takers don’t support eastern Braille codes so I mainly stick with jaws. If you want to know more feel free to message off list. 
Cheers,
Caitlin 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 24, 2017, at 16:45, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ellana,
> I know for fact that both Chinese and Japanese have Braille code.
> That being said, I am not sure if any of popularly used braille note
> takers in the U.S. support any of East Asian languages.
> I imagine JAWS and NVDA are capable of reading these languages. They
> are capable of reading Korean, although the pronounciation is not the
> best.
> If you learn how to type and how to understand the screen reader I
> these languages, I think you can take these classes in mainstream
> setting.
> 
> On another note, if you want to learn Korean, feel free to message me
> off list. I am a native speaker and know the Korean Braille code as
> well.
> 
> Best,
> Miso
> 
>> On 9/24/17, Ellana Crew via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Afternoon friends,
>> 
>> Recently, I have been thinking of taking courses at my college to learn
>> Japanese or Chinese, however I am not totally certain how to go about doing
>> this as a blind person considering that these are character-based languages.
>> I much prefer to do things non-visually, however I do have a certain level
>> of residual vision that I could use if it came down to it. Essentially, I am
>> wondering if there is anybody who has taken classes for character-based
>> languages that may be able to give me some pointers on how to get through
>> such a class, given that the class will almost certainly be teaching the
>> basics of the written characters and that assignments will most likely
>> contain written characters fairly frequently.
>> 
>> I know that there are braille systems for these languages, however I'm not
>> sure if that would be practical considering that the professor would not
>> have any knowledge of the braille form, so I feel it would likely be quite
>> difficult to try and learn the language in braille in a class that teaches
>> printed form and uses it for assignments. My guess is that it would be much
>> easier to learn the language first and then learn the braille format, as
>> trying to learn both simultaneously does not seem very practical in a
>> mainstream college class.
>> 
>> I also know that I do have the option of attempting to learn a language
>> outside of the classroom setting on my own, first, in a way that may be
>> somewhat more accessible, though I would very much like to take advantage of
>> the classes offered through my school. It may be that I may need to try and
>> learn some basics on my own, first, and then take the classes later on to be
>> able to get the credit for them.
>> 
>> If there is anybody who is taking classes for character-based languages,
>> especially if you have specifically taken either Japanese or Chinese, I
>> would really, really love to hear how you made it work and what sorts of
>> accommodations you used and what systems you had with your professor to
>> inshore that you were given the equal opportunity to really learn the
>> language. This is something I have wanted to do since early high school, and
>> would really like to find a way to make it happen. Any experiences you could
>> share with me would be wonderful and feel free to email me off list if you
>> would really like to start some real in-depth dialogue about this.
>> 
>> Thank you all and have a nice afternoon!
>> 
>> Ellana Crew, Vice President
>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>> Website: nfbmd.org/students
>> Facebook: facebook.com/mdabs.federation
>> Twitter: @MDABS_NFB
>> 
>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
>> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
>> blindness is not what holds you back.
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/misokwak12%40gmail.com
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Miso Kwak
> University of California, Los Angeles | 2017
> Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
> (909) 660-1897
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Sep 24 21:07:37 2017
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 17:07:37 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind Is
 Seeking to Support DREAMers
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Joe,

I'll try to be nonpartisan here. The DACA is a major thing impacting all 
those immigrants in it.
I would guess it may impact blind  people more in the following ways:
1. It may impact their ability to receive state vocational rehab services 
that we all get or can get.
2. Unemployment among any immigrant population is hindered by  the language 
barriers. I  have seen it firsthand.
While most people can go out and grab low wage jobs, blind people are 
excluded from these service sector jobs which require little language 
skills. Immigrants including dreamers partake in these jobs such as 
housekeeping staff at hotels, cleaning facilities in public areas such as 
our colleges and universities, painting houses, and of course lawn services.
Blind people who cannot fluently read and write english are more negatively 
impacted. When an immigrant I know tried to take ESL classes at Northern 
virginia community college, it is my understanding he could not follow the 
class due to the visual nature of it such as pictures in workbooks. And, of 
course Nova is terrible at accomodations and failed to help this student 
with special needs succeed.

3. Blind Dreamers may also have a harder time securing other government 
services.
4. Dreamers may be denied other services their fellow dreamers can partake 
of.

I'm glad NFB is taking this up.

Yes it is true we are vastly underemployed in general. It is true we have a 
ways to go in that area for all Americans.
I think a huge hindrance to employment is accessibility of software. I've 
seen it firsthand. I'm hoping NFB will make headway in advocacy for 
accessibility sooner than later.

Its also true that none of the NFB national resolutions spoke of this issue. 
However, I believe the resolutions were written prior to Mr. Trump's 
decision.

Its something to ask the national office if you are still curious.
I'm a naturalized citizen too, and I definitely understand your concerns.
As a naturalized citizen, I want to be a first class citizen and earn my way 
including participating in the workforce but so far many barriers have 
hindered me such as attitudes of employers and accessibility of third party 
software.
However, Dreamers have unique needs and challenges which I, as a naturalized 
citizen growing up here in American public schools, do not have.

Good questions.
I look forward to the outcome of such studies NFB conducts.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joe via NABS-L
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 7:06 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Joe
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind Is 
Seeking to Support DREAMers

Dear all,



This post has been gnawing at me for over a week. Maybe someone can help me
understand our rationale in getting involved in an issue that is clearly
partisan.



My understanding is that the NFB seeks to enable all blind individuals to
live the life they want, irrespective of immigration status. No argument
here. I appreciate the work we do to provide equal opportunities for
everyone--regardless of their legal status, which ought not to be any of our
business anyway, and regardless of their membership in our organization.



But now we're talking about devoting already limited resources to better
inform policymakers about the administration's decision to rescind the DACA
program. I don't understand how this became a priority.



Why are we suddenly interested in providing assistance to beneficiaries of
the DACA program? If we are doing our work correctly, then one could argue
the affected blind beneficiaries are already being served.



Why would we collect statistical analyses on the unemployment rate of the
blind before and after the DACA program when we barely have a handle on the
unemployment rate among the majority of blind Americans? If the general
statistics are accurate, then the unemployment rate among the blind is
somewhere in the neighborhood of 75%. I don't understand why our limited
resources would not be devoted to solving for the employment needs of all
blind Americans as opposed to the needs of the few. The fact we are largely
excluded from the vast majority of minimum wage jobs accessible to the rest
of the population should be of greater concern than the consequences of a
program that was legally and constitutionally controversial to start.



The DACA program is not likely to result in mass deportations and other grim
predictions forecasted by one side of the highly polarizing issue. The point
is part of a larger debate on immigration reform. Congress should enact
legislation the way it should have done when the legislative measure was
originally proposed under President Bush in 2007, and to be fair, a
bipartisan effort is underway to provide at least a three-year reprieve to
the affected community. Given the convoluted and hotly contested nature of
the overarching dialogue on the matter, why would the NFB spend its limited
political capital appearing to take sides on this issue?



Looking through this year's resolutions, I see no mention of devoting
resources to beneficiaries of the DACA program. How do we go about deciding
outreach efforts in situations where our mission was not directed by the
objectives agreed to by our convention?



To me, the step feels like an opportunistic means of snagging attention on
an issue that is already steeped in controversy. We are already fighting an
uphill battle on employment equality for those individuals working in
sheltered environments. We already face educational and employment
disparities among highly qualified blind permanent residents and citizens,
born and naturalized.



But, perhaps I am missing something. I'm willing to be educated. As a
naturalized citizen, I understand the benefits of something like DACA to get
ahead in this country. For that, there are other immigration rights consumer
groups. We can trust them to take up the cry for fair treatment. We can
trust them to help undocumented individuals find and keep a place in our
society. I would like to think we place our trust in the NFB to make that
society more accessible.



Sincerely,



Joe



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Importance: High



National Federation of the Blind Is Seeking to Support DREAMers

As the principal vehicle for collective action for the blind in the United
States, the National Federation of the Blind is committed to enabling all
blind people, irrespective of immigration status, to live the lives we want.
To better inform our current and future advocacy and policy strategies, the
National Federation of the Blind is collecting the following information to
better understand the impact of the administration's recent decision to
rescind the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program among the
blind in the United States. The information collected will be used to:

1. Identify DREAMers who are blind in order to better understand the
impact on blind people and help inform the National Federation of the Blind
regarding ways the organization can best provide assistance.
2. Develop an aggregate summary of the blind people in the United
States who participate in the DACA program, which can be shared with
government officials, advocates, and other interested parties.
3. Develop statistical analyses on the unemployment rate among the
blind before and after the establishment of the DACA program.
4. Highlight general narratives of blind people living the lives they
want because of the DACA program.
5. Coordinate a community of blind DACA recipients in order to maximize
the resources available.


If you or someone you know is blind and receives DACA benefits, please
complete the National Federation of the Blind DACA form at the below links
(available in Spanish and English), or share this information with them. If
you know of a DREAMer who does not have internet access, we would appreciate
your helping them complete the form.

Spanish NFB DACA form: https://nfb.org/daca-es
English NFB DACA form: https://nfb.org/daca

Together with love, hope, and determination, the National Federation of the
Blind transforms dreams into reality. Through this effort we seek to support
the hopes and dreams of blind people seeking to be fully contributing
members of our nation.


Mark A. Riccobono, President
200 East Wells Street, Baltimore, MD 21230
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From emitchell927 at icloud.com  Sun Sep 24 21:34:14 2017
From: emitchell927 at icloud.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 17:34:14 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Needing someone to talk 2
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Sent from my iPhone

I need someone to talk 2 about something that happened that embarrassed me and now I’m kinda feeling down
Emma

From ayoub.zurikat.nfb at gmail.com  Sun Sep 24 22:15:40 2017
From: ayoub.zurikat.nfb at gmail.com (Ayoub Zurikat)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 17:15:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Needing someone to talk 2
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Hey, if you want to talk, I’m willing to listen

> On Sep 24, 2017, at 4:34 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> I need someone to talk 2 about something that happened that embarrassed me and now I’m kinda feeling down
> Emma
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Sun Sep 24 22:21:57 2017
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 15:21:57 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Needing someone to talk 2
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Hi Emma,
i'm sorry to hear that you're feeling down. We all have embarrassing  moments at times, and feeling down  can suck. My email is  brlsurfer at gmail.com 
Vejas

> On Sep 24, 2017, at 14:34, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> I need someone to talk 2 about something that happened that embarrassed me and now I’m kinda feeling down
> Emma
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From singingemmanuelle at gmail.com  Sun Sep 24 22:22:07 2017
From: singingemmanuelle at gmail.com (Emmanuelle Lo)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 18:22:07 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Character-Based Language Classes
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I'm currently learning Mandarin Chinese with a tutor. Voiceover reads Chinese correctly for the most part, and it is possible to type but I haven't been able to do that efficiently yet, partly because I don't know enough vocabulary to differentiate which is the correct character when I select it. 

Emmie
> On Sep 24, 2017, at 4:58 PM, Caitlin Best via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I have been taking Japanese for the last couple years. I have an XL spreadsheet with the Japanese braille code as well! I also have been using Jaws with a Japanese voice and it works great. Most note takers donft support eastern Braille codes so I mainly stick with jaws. If you want to know more feel free to message off list. 
> Cheers,
> Caitlin 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 24, 2017, at 16:45, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ellana,
>> I know for fact that both Chinese and Japanese have Braille code.
>> That being said, I am not sure if any of popularly used braille note
>> takers in the U.S. support any of East Asian languages.
>> I imagine JAWS and NVDA are capable of reading these languages. They
>> are capable of reading Korean, although the pronounciation is not the
>> best.
>> If you learn how to type and how to understand the screen reader I
>> these languages, I think you can take these classes in mainstream
>> setting.
>> 
>> On another note, if you want to learn Korean, feel free to message me
>> off list. I am a native speaker and know the Korean Braille code as
>> well.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Miso
>> 
>>> On 9/24/17, Ellana Crew via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Afternoon friends,
>>> 
>>> Recently, I have been thinking of taking courses at my college to learn
>>> Japanese or Chinese, however I am not totally certain how to go about doing
>>> this as a blind person considering that these are character-based languages.
>>> I much prefer to do things non-visually, however I do have a certain level
>>> of residual vision that I could use if it came down to it. Essentially, I am
>>> wondering if there is anybody who has taken classes for character-based
>>> languages that may be able to give me some pointers on how to get through
>>> such a class, given that the class will almost certainly be teaching the
>>> basics of the written characters and that assignments will most likely
>>> contain written characters fairly frequently.
>>> 
>>> I know that there are braille systems for these languages, however I'm not
>>> sure if that would be practical considering that the professor would not
>>> have any knowledge of the braille form, so I feel it would likely be quite
>>> difficult to try and learn the language in braille in a class that teaches
>>> printed form and uses it for assignments. My guess is that it would be much
>>> easier to learn the language first and then learn the braille format, as
>>> trying to learn both simultaneously does not seem very practical in a
>>> mainstream college class.
>>> 
>>> I also know that I do have the option of attempting to learn a language
>>> outside of the classroom setting on my own, first, in a way that may be
>>> somewhat more accessible, though I would very much like to take advantage of
>>> the classes offered through my school. It may be that I may need to try and
>>> learn some basics on my own, first, and then take the classes later on to be
>>> able to get the credit for them.
>>> 
>>> If there is anybody who is taking classes for character-based languages,
>>> especially if you have specifically taken either Japanese or Chinese, I
>>> would really, really love to hear how you made it work and what sorts of
>>> accommodations you used and what systems you had with your professor to
>>> inshore that you were given the equal opportunity to really learn the
>>> language. This is something I have wanted to do since early high school, and
>>> would really like to find a way to make it happen. Any experiences you could
>>> share with me would be wonderful and feel free to email me off list if you
>>> would really like to start some real in-depth dialogue about this.
>>> 
>>> Thank you all and have a nice afternoon!
>>> 
>>> Ellana Crew, Vice President
>>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>>> Website: nfbmd.org/students
>>> Facebook: facebook.com/mdabs.federation
>>> Twitter: @MDABS_NFB
>>> 
>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
>>> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
>>> blindness is not what holds you back.
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>> 
>> 
>> -- 
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>> University of California, Los Angeles | 2017
>> Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
>> (909) 660-1897
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From misokwak12 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 24 22:35:09 2017
From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 15:35:09 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind Is
 Seeking to Support DREAMers
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Joe and others who may share his sentiments,
I would like to preface this email by saying that I am neither an
expert, nor deeply involved in NFB leadership.
However, I am also a naturalized citizen, who self-identify as a 1.5
generation immigrant.

So, for those who argue that disability and immigration are two
completely separate issues, I am here as one of many living
counterexamples to that argument.

If NFB or any other organization for that matter claims to be a
consumer organization promoting the blind to live the lives they want,
I think it is the organization's responsibility to stand with blind
people who are affected by such major policy as DACA repeal. Bluntly
speaking, regardless of one's view on whether DACA should be allowed
or not, it is fact that with the repeal of DACA, blind people who are
DACA recepients cannot live the lives they want, figuratively and
literally.

My personal belief is that organizations serving the blind and
immigrant rights organizations must collaborate in order to meet the
needs of blind immigrants. Immigrant rights organization are not often
equipped well enough to understand and serve people with not just
blindness but any other disabilities. My personal experience of going
through the naturalization process is one evidence.
Similarly, organizations that are solely dedicated to serving people
with disabilities are often poorly equipped with the ability and
sensitivity to serve immigrants (whether the immigration was legal or
not)

I am afraid it may take too long to see collaboration between
disability focused organization and immigrant rights organization, but
I believe NFB's effort to learn more about the blind people affected
by the repeal of DACA is a necessary first step forward.

Miso Kwak

On 9/24/17, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Joe,
>
> I'll try to be nonpartisan here. The DACA is a major thing impacting all
> those immigrants in it.
> I would guess it may impact blind  people more in the following ways:
> 1. It may impact their ability to receive state vocational rehab services
> that we all get or can get.
> 2. Unemployment among any immigrant population is hindered by  the language
>
> barriers. I  have seen it firsthand.
> While most people can go out and grab low wage jobs, blind people are
> excluded from these service sector jobs which require little language
> skills. Immigrants including dreamers partake in these jobs such as
> housekeeping staff at hotels, cleaning facilities in public areas such as
> our colleges and universities, painting houses, and of course lawn
> services.
> Blind people who cannot fluently read and write english are more negatively
>
> impacted. When an immigrant I know tried to take ESL classes at Northern
> virginia community college, it is my understanding he could not follow the
> class due to the visual nature of it such as pictures in workbooks. And, of
>
> course Nova is terrible at accomodations and failed to help this student
> with special needs succeed.
>
> 3. Blind Dreamers may also have a harder time securing other government
> services.
> 4. Dreamers may be denied other services their fellow dreamers can partake
> of.
>
> I'm glad NFB is taking this up.
>
> Yes it is true we are vastly underemployed in general. It is true we have a
>
> ways to go in that area for all Americans.
> I think a huge hindrance to employment is accessibility of software. I've
> seen it firsthand. I'm hoping NFB will make headway in advocacy for
> accessibility sooner than later.
>
> Its also true that none of the NFB national resolutions spoke of this issue.
>
> However, I believe the resolutions were written prior to Mr. Trump's
> decision.
>
> Its something to ask the national office if you are still curious.
> I'm a naturalized citizen too, and I definitely understand your concerns.
> As a naturalized citizen, I want to be a first class citizen and earn my way
>
> including participating in the workforce but so far many barriers have
> hindered me such as attitudes of employers and accessibility of third party
>
> software.
> However, Dreamers have unique needs and challenges which I, as a naturalized
>
> citizen growing up here in American public schools, do not have.
>
> Good questions.
> I look forward to the outcome of such studies NFB conducts.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe via NABS-L
> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 7:06 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Joe
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind Is
> Seeking to Support DREAMers
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> This post has been gnawing at me for over a week. Maybe someone can help me
> understand our rationale in getting involved in an issue that is clearly
> partisan.
>
>
>
> My understanding is that the NFB seeks to enable all blind individuals to
> live the life they want, irrespective of immigration status. No argument
> here. I appreciate the work we do to provide equal opportunities for
> everyone--regardless of their legal status, which ought not to be any of
> our
> business anyway, and regardless of their membership in our organization.
>
>
>
> But now we're talking about devoting already limited resources to better
> inform policymakers about the administration's decision to rescind the DACA
> program. I don't understand how this became a priority.
>
>
>
> Why are we suddenly interested in providing assistance to beneficiaries of
> the DACA program? If we are doing our work correctly, then one could argue
> the affected blind beneficiaries are already being served.
>
>
>
> Why would we collect statistical analyses on the unemployment rate of the
> blind before and after the DACA program when we barely have a handle on the
> unemployment rate among the majority of blind Americans? If the general
> statistics are accurate, then the unemployment rate among the blind is
> somewhere in the neighborhood of 75%. I don't understand why our limited
> resources would not be devoted to solving for the employment needs of all
> blind Americans as opposed to the needs of the few. The fact we are largely
> excluded from the vast majority of minimum wage jobs accessible to the rest
> of the population should be of greater concern than the consequences of a
> program that was legally and constitutionally controversial to start.
>
>
>
> The DACA program is not likely to result in mass deportations and other
> grim
> predictions forecasted by one side of the highly polarizing issue. The
> point
> is part of a larger debate on immigration reform. Congress should enact
> legislation the way it should have done when the legislative measure was
> originally proposed under President Bush in 2007, and to be fair, a
> bipartisan effort is underway to provide at least a three-year reprieve to
> the affected community. Given the convoluted and hotly contested nature of
> the overarching dialogue on the matter, why would the NFB spend its limited
> political capital appearing to take sides on this issue?
>
>
>
> Looking through this year's resolutions, I see no mention of devoting
> resources to beneficiaries of the DACA program. How do we go about deciding
> outreach efforts in situations where our mission was not directed by the
> objectives agreed to by our convention?
>
>
>
> To me, the step feels like an opportunistic means of snagging attention on
> an issue that is already steeped in controversy. We are already fighting an
> uphill battle on employment equality for those individuals working in
> sheltered environments. We already face educational and employment
> disparities among highly qualified blind permanent residents and citizens,
> born and naturalized.
>
>
>
> But, perhaps I am missing something. I'm willing to be educated. As a
> naturalized citizen, I understand the benefits of something like DACA to
> get
> ahead in this country. For that, there are other immigration rights
> consumer
> groups. We can trust them to take up the cry for fair treatment. We can
> trust them to help undocumented individuals find and keep a place in our
> society. I would like to think we place our trust in the NFB to make that
> society more accessible.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> From: NFBNet-Members-List [mailto:nfbnet-members-list-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
> Behalf Of President, National Federation of the Blind via
> NFBNet-Members-List
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:07 AM
> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the
> Blind Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
> Importance: High
>
>
>
> National Federation of the Blind Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>
> As the principal vehicle for collective action for the blind in the United
> States, the National Federation of the Blind is committed to enabling all
> blind people, irrespective of immigration status, to live the lives we
> want.
> To better inform our current and future advocacy and policy strategies, the
> National Federation of the Blind is collecting the following information to
> better understand the impact of the administration's recent decision to
> rescind the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program among the
> blind in the United States. The information collected will be used to:
>
> 1. Identify DREAMers who are blind in order to better understand the
> impact on blind people and help inform the National Federation of the Blind
> regarding ways the organization can best provide assistance.
> 2. Develop an aggregate summary of the blind people in the United
> States who participate in the DACA program, which can be shared with
> government officials, advocates, and other interested parties.
> 3. Develop statistical analyses on the unemployment rate among the
> blind before and after the establishment of the DACA program.
> 4. Highlight general narratives of blind people living the lives they
> want because of the DACA program.
> 5. Coordinate a community of blind DACA recipients in order to maximize
> the resources available.
>
>
> If you or someone you know is blind and receives DACA benefits, please
> complete the National Federation of the Blind DACA form at the below links
> (available in Spanish and English), or share this information with them. If
> you know of a DREAMer who does not have internet access, we would
> appreciate
> your helping them complete the form.
>
> Spanish NFB DACA form: https://nfb.org/daca-es
> English NFB DACA form: https://nfb.org/daca
>
> Together with love, hope, and determination, the National Federation of the
> Blind transforms dreams into reality. Through this effort we seek to
> support
> the hopes and dreams of blind people seeking to be fully contributing
> members of our nation.
>
>
> Mark A. Riccobono, President
> 200 East Wells Street, Baltimore, MD 21230
> (410) 659-9314 | Officeofthepresident at nfb.org
> Twitter: @Riccobono
>
>
> <https://nfb.org/> Image removed by sender. National Federation of the
> Blind
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>
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> sender. Youtube
>
> The National Federation of the Blind is a community of members and friends
> who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation's blind. Every day we
> work
> together to help blind people live the lives they want.
>
>
>
>
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>
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-- 
Miso Kwak
University of California, Los Angeles | 2017
Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
(909) 660-1897


From rexschuttler at gmail.com  Sun Sep 24 22:40:24 2017
From: rexschuttler at gmail.com (Rex Schuttler)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 17:40:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Needing someone to talk 2
In-Reply-To: <47398145-11B2-4EFC-8FA5-571488AFB933@gmail.com>
References: <71FD99A1-E0ED-403B-BD08-55DB82EA673E@icloud.com>
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Feel free to personally either email me or text. My information is below in my signature.

Rex Schuttler
Second Vice President of the national Federation of the blind of Oklahoma
President of the Central Oklahoma chapter of the national Federation of the blind of Oklahoma
cell phone number
918-955-6761

> On Sep 24, 2017, at 5:15 PM, Ayoub Zurikat via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey, if you want to talk, I’m willing to listen
> 
>> On Sep 24, 2017, at 4:34 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> I need someone to talk 2 about something that happened that embarrassed me and now I’m kinda feeling down
>> Emma
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From amieelsabo at gmail.com  Sun Sep 24 22:40:26 2017
From: amieelsabo at gmail.com (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 16:40:26 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] A New Radio Station Is On The Horizon,
 Will You Join The Radio Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <CA+Wnc9RHH7kD33vcMbAGpvFTHyEWnnO1LT0dnYjoVsAgtr6i_Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+Wnc9RHH7kD33vcMbAGpvFTHyEWnnO1LT0dnYjoVsAgtr6i_Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOF1yXGUZPvxX9pQ8b5ZdHqb-HXD_4_q1jj90cpkLcTrK7pE2g@mail.gmail.com>

hello david and all,

well, I have been out of the loop for a while since I have been on
vacation for the beginning of September and, busy with things in my
life that I'm now catching up with all of the news!  as to the topic I
will put in my professional sense worth before I go to the personal
sense. so, business before pleasure:)  s to dabvid promoting this new
adventure in his carrer that's awesome news.. I have done much work
for his career and, I have done this kind of work for him since 2008
and beyond and, I truly enjoy it! that's why I changed my career path
from pr in the nonprofit sector to media relations when I jointed the
perfroming arts division and, that'swhere we officially met! I have
enjoyed it very much and, will continue to do this...

okay, now for the personal aspect on this! I truly support david' s
motion to do this career path in his life and, I will support him
fully and, others in this project as his best friend and more too
along with the support of the others on this project. as for those who
don't like this announcement or this journey that he plans to take you
have the choice to get on this joyride/bandwagon or not be interested.
we all have the right to read these messages or just delete this
message or others including this thread! your choice to use this
freedom and exercise it to the fullest! so, please don't put him down
or his friends who are also my friends too and, also be a friend and
support him in his journey as I have for many years:)

well, that's all for now take care all and, I will talk to you all soon!




hugs always,
amy

On 9/14/17, David Dunphy via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Please consider passing this along to any friends you think would be
> interested in being part of this new and up and coming radio project.
> As a side note, we plan to carry Nabs events at convention, membership
> calls and a whole lot more! So stay tuned and read below!
>
> Thank you.
> Hi All!
> I'm here to announce that a new radio station is going to be born
> soon. But to understand more, let me give you some quick background.
> Internet radio is something that's been around for quite some time.
> Fast connections and powerful computers and easy to use software have
> made it possible for the average person to do a radio show about
> anything; from music to talk and more.
> I was actually fortunate enough to be able to run a station of my own
> called Audio Access FM til 2013. Circumstances came up in my life that
> forced me to give that station up.
> For awhile, I began bouncing around to different radio projects, and
> one thing was clear.
> People on the various projects were doing a variety of things that
> would take the fun out of radio. Whether it was playing favorites,
> letting those who didn't work on the station into managerial meetings,
> too many clicks, station owners not giving equal support to all their
> djs, etc.
> I decided I wanted to return to running a station. Despite my
> controvertial radio past, I felt that the observing I have been doing
> over the years plus growing up taught me a lot. Furthermore, I decided
> I wanted to set a standard for radio that I believe could make it fun
> again, at least for some people.
> So my friends Will Ouellette, Clara Deitz, Chris Nusbaum and I decided
> to get together to form a new station with a unique name and concept.
> We want to change the standards and expectations of an online radio
> station. We want people to know that radio can be fun, and that a
> station can be an atmosphere where people feel welcome, there's no
> drama, and everyone can have a good time while doing their best to put
> on a quality show. There's a reason the broadcasting bug doesn't go
> away for many of us who have been around for awhile. And that's cause
> we know that if you have a nice mix of good people, professionalism
> and the ability to have fun, being on a station with cool people can
> be an amazing joy ride.
> So since the station is on the internet, and the internet is world
> wide, and there are 195 countries in the United Nations Charter, we
> came up with 195 The Globe. And since we want to change expectations
> about radio, our slogan is Welcome To The Radio Revolution.
> This message is inviting you to either broadcast with us, or to follow
> our journey to our launch date and beyond.
> So if you'd like to apply to be a broadcaster, thus being part of this
> new radio revolution, feel free to fill out our broadcaster
> application right now at
> http://www.195theglobe.com
> The above address will soon be the home of our web site, but while we
> work on it, this is where you can fill out our application.
> Eventually, this application will be integrated into the web site. Our
> site is being built with Wordpress to make it easy to find out about
> what's going on, interact with djs and listeners, etc.
> Not a broadcaster? No problem. You can follow our progress til launch
> date by following
> 195_theglobe
> on twitter.
> Our facebook page and other forms of interaction will be coming soon.
> I truly believe that this station will be unique and fun. We might not
> be the biggest and most advanced, but we'll be innovative, fun-loving,
> and there to entertain our listeners and make them happy.
> So, if you want to join the radio revolution, apply at
> http://www.195theglobe.com
> or to follow the revolution, follow
> 195_theglobe
> on twitter.
> If you have any additional questions or want to talk about anything,
> please email me at
> ddunphy at 195theglobe.com
> I hope to see you on our exciting revolutionary radio journey and beyond!
> All the best,
> David Dunphy
>
> _______________________________________________
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From amieelsabo at gmail.com  Sun Sep 24 22:48:44 2017
From: amieelsabo at gmail.com (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 16:48:44 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] A New Radio Station Is On The Horizon,
 Will You Join The Radio Revolution?
In-Reply-To: <CA+Wnc9RHH7kD33vcMbAGpvFTHyEWnnO1LT0dnYjoVsAgtr6i_Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+Wnc9RHH7kD33vcMbAGpvFTHyEWnnO1LT0dnYjoVsAgtr6i_Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOF1yXE4nAX92x22ZrQVns9EZ6Htp-PegQToO0syjRoZE3F5xw@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/14/17, David Dunphy via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Please consider passing this along to any friends you think would be
> interested in being part of this new and up and coming radio project.
> As a side note, we plan to carry Nabs events at convention, membership
> calls and a whole lot more! So stay tuned and read below!
>
> Thank you.
> Hi All!
> I'm here to announce that a new radio station is going to be born
> soon. But to understand more, let me give you some quick background.
> Internet radio is something that's been around for quite some time.
> Fast connections and powerful computers and easy to use software have
> made it possible for the average person to do a radio show about
> anything; from music to talk and more.
> I was actually fortunate enough to be able to run a station of my own
> called Audio Access FM til 2013. Circumstances came up in my life that
> forced me to give that station up.
> For awhile, I began bouncing around to different radio projects, and
> one thing was clear.
> People on the various projects were doing a variety of things that
> would take the fun out of radio. Whether it was playing favorites,
> letting those who didn't work on the station into managerial meetings,
> too many clicks, station owners not giving equal support to all their
> djs, etc.
> I decided I wanted to return to running a station. Despite my
> controvertial radio past, I felt that the observing I have been doing
> over the years plus growing up taught me a lot. Furthermore, I decided
> I wanted to set a standard for radio that I believe could make it fun
> again, at least for some people.
> So my friends Will Ouellette, Clara Deitz, Chris Nusbaum and I decided
> to get together to form a new station with a unique name and concept.
> We want to change the standards and expectations of an online radio
> station. We want people to know that radio can be fun, and that a
> station can be an atmosphere where people feel welcome, there's no
> drama, and everyone can have a good time while doing their best to put
> on a quality show. There's a reason the broadcasting bug doesn't go
> away for many of us who have been around for awhile. And that's cause
> we know that if you have a nice mix of good people, professionalism
> and the ability to have fun, being on a station with cool people can
> be an amazing joy ride.
> So since the station is on the internet, and the internet is world
> wide, and there are 195 countries in the United Nations Charter, we
> came up with 195 The Globe. And since we want to change expectations
> about radio, our slogan is Welcome To The Radio Revolution.
> This message is inviting you to either broadcast with us, or to follow
> our journey to our launch date and beyond.
> So if you'd like to apply to be a broadcaster, thus being part of this
> new radio revolution, feel free to fill out our broadcaster
> application right now at
> http://www.195theglobe.com
> The above address will soon be the home of our web site, but while we
> work on it, this is where you can fill out our application.
> Eventually, this application will be integrated into the web site. Our
> site is being built with Wordpress to make it easy to find out about
> what's going on, interact with djs and listeners, etc.
> Not a broadcaster? No problem. You can follow our progress til launch
> date by following
> 195_theglobe
> on twitter.
> Our facebook page and other forms of interaction will be coming soon.
> I truly believe that this station will be unique and fun. We might not
> be the biggest and most advanced, but we'll be innovative, fun-loving,
> and there to entertain our listeners and make them happy.
> So, if you want to join the radio revolution, apply at
> http://www.195theglobe.com
> or to follow the revolution, follow
> 195_theglobe
> on twitter.
> If you have any additional questions or want to talk about anything,
> please email me at
> ddunphy at 195theglobe.com
> I hope to see you on our exciting revolutionary radio journey and beyond!
> All the best,
> David Dunphy
>
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NABS-L:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amieelsabo%40gmail.com
>
hello david,

well, I have replyed to this message to allincluding you and all so,
now it's all to you from me... I didn't know that you were going to do
this advemture in your life? what made you decide to do this
adventure? I like the name for the station and, I think it's cool! I
knew that you would include your partner in ccrime will and also chris
too! they are cool guys indeed:) I know that you and will have a
history and, I hope that it's a successful for you crazy guys! anyway,
I want to help out in anyway I can to promote this station and, also
do my pr work for you and the station if you would like me to do for
you? so, call me this week or email me off list so we can have a
business call... you already have my contact information so, I won't
repeat it here for you. but, if you forget just email me for my phone
number. I will be around this week but, the evvenings are good for
personal call but, for business the days are good. business comes
before personal time that's my opinion! well, that's all for now my
dear take care and, we will chat soon!




hugs always and forever,
amy


From sarah at sarahblakelarose.com  Sun Sep 24 23:14:31 2017
From: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com (sarah at sarahblakelarose.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 19:14:31 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind Is
 Seeking to Support DREAMers
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Message-ID: <000601d3358a$e1d4e060$a57ea120$@sarahblakelarose.com>

Miso, please explain more about your immigration process. (You may do so privately if you wish.) This is something that I for one would like to understand more about. How was this impacted by your blindness and what do immigration organizations need to know? I think that what you say here is extremely valuable, and while I agree thhat educating other organizations will take a long time I also think it is part of what we need to do. I work with other organizations that support immigrant rights in various ways, and I would like to educate them as much as possible.


Rev. Sarah Blake LaRose
http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
Accessible instruction in Biblical languages

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso Kwak via NABS-L
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 6:35 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Miso Kwak <misokwak12 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind Is Seeking to Support DREAMers

Joe and others who may share his sentiments, I would like to preface this email by saying that I am neither an expert, nor deeply involved in NFB leadership.
However, I am also a naturalized citizen, who self-identify as a 1.5 generation immigrant.

So, for those who argue that disability and immigration are two completely separate issues, I am here as one of many living counterexamples to that argument.

If NFB or any other organization for that matter claims to be a consumer organization promoting the blind to live the lives they want, I think it is the organization's responsibility to stand with blind people who are affected by such major policy as DACA repeal. Bluntly speaking, regardless of one's view on whether DACA should be allowed or not, it is fact that with the repeal of DACA, blind people who are DACA recepients cannot live the lives they want, figuratively and literally.

My personal belief is that organizations serving the blind and immigrant rights organizations must collaborate in order to meet the needs of blind immigrants. Immigrant rights organization are not often equipped well enough to understand and serve people with not just blindness but any other disabilities. My personal experience of going through the naturalization process is one evidence.
Similarly, organizations that are solely dedicated to serving people with disabilities are often poorly equipped with the ability and sensitivity to serve immigrants (whether the immigration was legal or
not)

I am afraid it may take too long to see collaboration between disability focused organization and immigrant rights organization, but I believe NFB's effort to learn more about the blind people affected by the repeal of DACA is a necessary first step forward.

Miso Kwak

On 9/24/17, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Joe,
>
> I'll try to be nonpartisan here. The DACA is a major thing impacting 
> all those immigrants in it.
> I would guess it may impact blind  people more in the following ways:
> 1. It may impact their ability to receive state vocational rehab 
> services that we all get or can get.
> 2. Unemployment among any immigrant population is hindered by  the 
> language
>
> barriers. I  have seen it firsthand.
> While most people can go out and grab low wage jobs, blind people are 
> excluded from these service sector jobs which require little language 
> skills. Immigrants including dreamers partake in these jobs such as 
> housekeeping staff at hotels, cleaning facilities in public areas such 
> as our colleges and universities, painting houses, and of course lawn 
> services.
> Blind people who cannot fluently read and write english are more 
> negatively
>
> impacted. When an immigrant I know tried to take ESL classes at 
> Northern virginia community college, it is my understanding he could 
> not follow the class due to the visual nature of it such as pictures 
> in workbooks. And, of
>
> course Nova is terrible at accomodations and failed to help this 
> student with special needs succeed.
>
> 3. Blind Dreamers may also have a harder time securing other 
> government services.
> 4. Dreamers may be denied other services their fellow dreamers can 
> partake of.
>
> I'm glad NFB is taking this up.
>
> Yes it is true we are vastly underemployed in general. It is true we 
> have a
>
> ways to go in that area for all Americans.
> I think a huge hindrance to employment is accessibility of software. 
> I've seen it firsthand. I'm hoping NFB will make headway in advocacy 
> for accessibility sooner than later.
>
> Its also true that none of the NFB national resolutions spoke of this issue.
>
> However, I believe the resolutions were written prior to Mr. Trump's 
> decision.
>
> Its something to ask the national office if you are still curious.
> I'm a naturalized citizen too, and I definitely understand your concerns.
> As a naturalized citizen, I want to be a first class citizen and earn 
> my way
>
> including participating in the workforce but so far many barriers have 
> hindered me such as attitudes of employers and accessibility of third 
> party
>
> software.
> However, Dreamers have unique needs and challenges which I, as a 
> naturalized
>
> citizen growing up here in American public schools, do not have.
>
> Good questions.
> I look forward to the outcome of such studies NFB conducts.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe via NABS-L
> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 7:06 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Joe
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind 
> Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> This post has been gnawing at me for over a week. Maybe someone can 
> help me understand our rationale in getting involved in an issue that 
> is clearly partisan.
>
>
>
> My understanding is that the NFB seeks to enable all blind individuals 
> to live the life they want, irrespective of immigration status. No 
> argument here. I appreciate the work we do to provide equal 
> opportunities for everyone--regardless of their legal status, which 
> ought not to be any of our business anyway, and regardless of their 
> membership in our organization.
>
>
>
> But now we're talking about devoting already limited resources to 
> better inform policymakers about the administration's decision to 
> rescind the DACA program. I don't understand how this became a priority.
>
>
>
> Why are we suddenly interested in providing assistance to 
> beneficiaries of the DACA program? If we are doing our work correctly, 
> then one could argue the affected blind beneficiaries are already being served.
>
>
>
> Why would we collect statistical analyses on the unemployment rate of 
> the blind before and after the DACA program when we barely have a 
> handle on the unemployment rate among the majority of blind Americans? 
> If the general statistics are accurate, then the unemployment rate 
> among the blind is somewhere in the neighborhood of 75%. I don't 
> understand why our limited resources would not be devoted to solving 
> for the employment needs of all blind Americans as opposed to the 
> needs of the few. The fact we are largely excluded from the vast 
> majority of minimum wage jobs accessible to the rest of the population 
> should be of greater concern than the consequences of a program that was legally and constitutionally controversial to start.
>
>
>
> The DACA program is not likely to result in mass deportations and 
> other grim predictions forecasted by one side of the highly polarizing 
> issue. The point is part of a larger debate on immigration reform. 
> Congress should enact legislation the way it should have done when the 
> legislative measure was originally proposed under President Bush in 
> 2007, and to be fair, a bipartisan effort is underway to provide at 
> least a three-year reprieve to the affected community. Given the 
> convoluted and hotly contested nature of the overarching dialogue on 
> the matter, why would the NFB spend its limited political capital 
> appearing to take sides on this issue?
>
>
>
> Looking through this year's resolutions, I see no mention of devoting 
> resources to beneficiaries of the DACA program. How do we go about 
> deciding outreach efforts in situations where our mission was not 
> directed by the objectives agreed to by our convention?
>
>
>
> To me, the step feels like an opportunistic means of snagging 
> attention on an issue that is already steeped in controversy. We are 
> already fighting an uphill battle on employment equality for those 
> individuals working in sheltered environments. We already face 
> educational and employment disparities among highly qualified blind 
> permanent residents and citizens, born and naturalized.
>
>
>
> But, perhaps I am missing something. I'm willing to be educated. As a 
> naturalized citizen, I understand the benefits of something like DACA 
> to get ahead in this country. For that, there are other immigration 
> rights consumer groups. We can trust them to take up the cry for fair 
> treatment. We can trust them to help undocumented individuals find and 
> keep a place in our society. I would like to think we place our trust 
> in the NFB to make that society more accessible.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> From: NFBNet-Members-List 
> [mailto:nfbnet-members-list-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
> Behalf Of President, National Federation of the Blind via 
> NFBNet-Members-List
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:07 AM
> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of 
> the Blind Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
> Importance: High
>
>
>
> National Federation of the Blind Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>
> As the principal vehicle for collective action for the blind in the 
> United States, the National Federation of the Blind is committed to 
> enabling all blind people, irrespective of immigration status, to live 
> the lives we want.
> To better inform our current and future advocacy and policy 
> strategies, the National Federation of the Blind is collecting the 
> following information to better understand the impact of the 
> administration's recent decision to rescind the Deferred Action for 
> Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program among the blind in the United States. The information collected will be used to:
>
> 1. Identify DREAMers who are blind in order to better understand the 
> impact on blind people and help inform the National Federation of the 
> Blind regarding ways the organization can best provide assistance.
> 2. Develop an aggregate summary of the blind people in the United 
> States who participate in the DACA program, which can be shared with 
> government officials, advocates, and other interested parties.
> 3. Develop statistical analyses on the unemployment rate among the 
> blind before and after the establishment of the DACA program.
> 4. Highlight general narratives of blind people living the lives they 
> want because of the DACA program.
> 5. Coordinate a community of blind DACA recipients in order to 
> maximize the resources available.
>
>
> If you or someone you know is blind and receives DACA benefits, please 
> complete the National Federation of the Blind DACA form at the below 
> links (available in Spanish and English), or share this information 
> with them. If you know of a DREAMer who does not have internet access, 
> we would appreciate your helping them complete the form.
>
> Spanish NFB DACA form: https://nfb.org/daca-es English NFB DACA form: 
> https://nfb.org/daca
>
> Together with love, hope, and determination, the National Federation 
> of the Blind transforms dreams into reality. Through this effort we 
> seek to support the hopes and dreams of blind people seeking to be 
> fully contributing members of our nation.
>
>
> Mark A. Riccobono, President
> 200 East Wells Street, Baltimore, MD 21230
> (410) 659-9314 | Officeofthepresident at nfb.org
> Twitter: @Riccobono
>
>
> <https://nfb.org/> Image removed by sender. National Federation of the 
> Blind
>
>
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> sender. Twitter     <https://www.youtube.com/NationsBlind> Image removed by
> sender. Youtube
>
> The National Federation of the Blind is a community of members and 
> friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation's blind. 
> Every day we work together to help blind people live the lives they 
> want.
>
>
>
>
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University of California, Los Angeles | 2017 Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
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From goosie1011 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 24 23:34:18 2017
From: goosie1011 at gmail.com (Garrett Kearns)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 19:34:18 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Needing someone to talk 2
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If you still need someone to talk to feel free to email me at
goosie1011 at gmail.com

Garrett

On 9/24/17, Rex Schuttler via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Feel free to personally either email me or text. My information is below in
> my signature.
>
> Rex Schuttler
> Second Vice President of the national Federation of the blind of Oklahoma
> President of the Central Oklahoma chapter of the national Federation of the
> blind of Oklahoma
> cell phone number
> 918-955-6761
>
>> On Sep 24, 2017, at 5:15 PM, Ayoub Zurikat via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hey, if you want to talk, I’m willing to listen
>>
>>> On Sep 24, 2017, at 4:34 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> I need someone to talk 2 about something that happened that embarrassed
>>> me and now I’m kinda feeling down
>>> Emma
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From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Sun Sep 24 23:35:53 2017
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 19:35:53 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A New Radio Station Is On The Horizon,
 Will You Join The Radio Revolution?
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I support you david!!
I am excited for the new radio station!

Shikha. 

> On Sep 24, 2017, at 6:40 PM, Amy Sabo via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> hello david and all,
> 
> well, I have been out of the loop for a while since I have been on
> vacation for the beginning of September and, busy with things in my
> life that I'm now catching up with all of the news!  as to the topic I
> will put in my professional sense worth before I go to the personal
> sense. so, business before pleasure:)  s to dabvid promoting this new
> adventure in his carrer that's awesome news.. I have done much work
> for his career and, I have done this kind of work for him since 2008
> and beyond and, I truly enjoy it! that's why I changed my career path
> from pr in the nonprofit sector to media relations when I jointed the
> perfroming arts division and, that'swhere we officially met! I have
> enjoyed it very much and, will continue to do this...
> 
> okay, now for the personal aspect on this! I truly support david' s
> motion to do this career path in his life and, I will support him
> fully and, others in this project as his best friend and more too
> along with the support of the others on this project. as for those who
> don't like this announcement or this journey that he plans to take you
> have the choice to get on this joyride/bandwagon or not be interested.
> we all have the right to read these messages or just delete this
> message or others including this thread! your choice to use this
> freedom and exercise it to the fullest! so, please don't put him down
> or his friends who are also my friends too and, also be a friend and
> support him in his journey as I have for many years:)
> 
> well, that's all for now take care all and, I will talk to you all soon!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> hugs always,
> amy
> 
>> On 9/14/17, David Dunphy via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Please consider passing this along to any friends you think would be
>> interested in being part of this new and up and coming radio project.
>> As a side note, we plan to carry Nabs events at convention, membership
>> calls and a whole lot more! So stay tuned and read below!
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> Hi All!
>> I'm here to announce that a new radio station is going to be born
>> soon. But to understand more, let me give you some quick background.
>> Internet radio is something that's been around for quite some time.
>> Fast connections and powerful computers and easy to use software have
>> made it possible for the average person to do a radio show about
>> anything; from music to talk and more.
>> I was actually fortunate enough to be able to run a station of my own
>> called Audio Access FM til 2013. Circumstances came up in my life that
>> forced me to give that station up.
>> For awhile, I began bouncing around to different radio projects, and
>> one thing was clear.
>> People on the various projects were doing a variety of things that
>> would take the fun out of radio. Whether it was playing favorites,
>> letting those who didn't work on the station into managerial meetings,
>> too many clicks, station owners not giving equal support to all their
>> djs, etc.
>> I decided I wanted to return to running a station. Despite my
>> controvertial radio past, I felt that the observing I have been doing
>> over the years plus growing up taught me a lot. Furthermore, I decided
>> I wanted to set a standard for radio that I believe could make it fun
>> again, at least for some people.
>> So my friends Will Ouellette, Clara Deitz, Chris Nusbaum and I decided
>> to get together to form a new station with a unique name and concept.
>> We want to change the standards and expectations of an online radio
>> station. We want people to know that radio can be fun, and that a
>> station can be an atmosphere where people feel welcome, there's no
>> drama, and everyone can have a good time while doing their best to put
>> on a quality show. There's a reason the broadcasting bug doesn't go
>> away for many of us who have been around for awhile. And that's cause
>> we know that if you have a nice mix of good people, professionalism
>> and the ability to have fun, being on a station with cool people can
>> be an amazing joy ride.
>> So since the station is on the internet, and the internet is world
>> wide, and there are 195 countries in the United Nations Charter, we
>> came up with 195 The Globe. And since we want to change expectations
>> about radio, our slogan is Welcome To The Radio Revolution.
>> This message is inviting you to either broadcast with us, or to follow
>> our journey to our launch date and beyond.
>> So if you'd like to apply to be a broadcaster, thus being part of this
>> new radio revolution, feel free to fill out our broadcaster
>> application right now at
>> http://www.195theglobe.com
>> The above address will soon be the home of our web site, but while we
>> work on it, this is where you can fill out our application.
>> Eventually, this application will be integrated into the web site. Our
>> site is being built with Wordpress to make it easy to find out about
>> what's going on, interact with djs and listeners, etc.
>> Not a broadcaster? No problem. You can follow our progress til launch
>> date by following
>> 195_theglobe
>> on twitter.
>> Our facebook page and other forms of interaction will be coming soon.
>> I truly believe that this station will be unique and fun. We might not
>> be the biggest and most advanced, but we'll be innovative, fun-loving,
>> and there to entertain our listeners and make them happy.
>> So, if you want to join the radio revolution, apply at
>> http://www.195theglobe.com
>> or to follow the revolution, follow
>> 195_theglobe
>> on twitter.
>> If you have any additional questions or want to talk about anything,
>> please email me at
>> ddunphy at 195theglobe.com
>> I hope to see you on our exciting revolutionary radio journey and beyond!
>> All the best,
>> David Dunphy
>> 
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From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 25 00:15:48 2017
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 20:15:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Needing someone to talk 2
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You can talk to me if you would like. Email me privately and I will give
you more info. Or you can find me on messenger.

On Sep 24, 2017 17:35, "Emma Mitchell via NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> I need someone to talk 2 about something that happened that embarrassed me
> and now I’m kinda feeling down
> Emma
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From misokwak12 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 25 00:55:06 2017
From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 17:55:06 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind Is
 Seeking to Support DREAMers
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Thank you for asking.
For the sake of privacy, I will write without much personal details.
In my opinion, one issue is in navigating the process of receiving
accommodations when people with disabilities must work with U.S.
Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS.) Working with USCIS could
include applying for permanent residency, applying for citizenship,
and a range of other services.
Based on my personal experience, USCIS staff are not super
knowledgeable about how to execute accommodation for people with
disabilities.
Immigrant rights organizations are not well-equipped with knowledge on
requesting accommodations either based on my experience.
Similarly, most people in organizations like NFB are not knowledgeable
about immigration related procedures, and are unable to help when
their members seek help with immigration related matters.

In regards to why disability and immigration are not separate issues,
many people come to U.S. for better medical care or simply better
opportunity as people with disabilities. In other words, for some
people, having a disability themselves or having a child with
disability is primary reason why they forgo the comfort of their
homeland and immigrate to the U.S. even when (in some cases) they risk
being undocumented because U.S. offers better medical care and
educational opportunities than their home country.

On another note, I would like to note that NFB is not the only
disability rights advocacy organization that  is taking a stance on
DACA repeal.

National Council on Independent Living expressed its stance on this article:
http://www.advocacymonitor.com/ncil-condemns-the-decision-to-end-daca/

Miso



On 9/24/17, Sarah via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Miso, please explain more about your immigration process. (You may do so
> privately if you wish.) This is something that I for one would like to
> understand more about. How was this impacted by your blindness and what do
> immigration organizations need to know? I think that what you say here is
> extremely valuable, and while I agree thhat educating other organizations
> will take a long time I also think it is part of what we need to do. I work
> with other organizations that support immigrant rights in various ways, and
> I would like to educate them as much as possible.
>
>
> Rev. Sarah Blake LaRose
> http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
> Accessible instruction in Biblical languages
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso Kwak via
> NABS-L
> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 6:35 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Miso Kwak <misokwak12 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind Is
> Seeking to Support DREAMers
>
> Joe and others who may share his sentiments, I would like to preface this
> email by saying that I am neither an expert, nor deeply involved in NFB
> leadership.
> However, I am also a naturalized citizen, who self-identify as a 1.5
> generation immigrant.
>
> So, for those who argue that disability and immigration are two completely
> separate issues, I am here as one of many living counterexamples to that
> argument.
>
> If NFB or any other organization for that matter claims to be a consumer
> organization promoting the blind to live the lives they want, I think it is
> the organization's responsibility to stand with blind people who are
> affected by such major policy as DACA repeal. Bluntly speaking, regardless
> of one's view on whether DACA should be allowed or not, it is fact that with
> the repeal of DACA, blind people who are DACA recepients cannot live the
> lives they want, figuratively and literally.
>
> My personal belief is that organizations serving the blind and immigrant
> rights organizations must collaborate in order to meet the needs of blind
> immigrants. Immigrant rights organization are not often equipped well enough
> to understand and serve people with not just blindness but any other
> disabilities. My personal experience of going through the naturalization
> process is one evidence.
> Similarly, organizations that are solely dedicated to serving people with
> disabilities are often poorly equipped with the ability and sensitivity to
> serve immigrants (whether the immigration was legal or
> not)
>
> I am afraid it may take too long to see collaboration between disability
> focused organization and immigrant rights organization, but I believe NFB's
> effort to learn more about the blind people affected by the repeal of DACA
> is a necessary first step forward.
>
> Miso Kwak
>
> On 9/24/17, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Joe,
>>
>> I'll try to be nonpartisan here. The DACA is a major thing impacting
>> all those immigrants in it.
>> I would guess it may impact blind  people more in the following ways:
>> 1. It may impact their ability to receive state vocational rehab
>> services that we all get or can get.
>> 2. Unemployment among any immigrant population is hindered by  the
>> language
>>
>> barriers. I  have seen it firsthand.
>> While most people can go out and grab low wage jobs, blind people are
>> excluded from these service sector jobs which require little language
>> skills. Immigrants including dreamers partake in these jobs such as
>> housekeeping staff at hotels, cleaning facilities in public areas such
>> as our colleges and universities, painting houses, and of course lawn
>> services.
>> Blind people who cannot fluently read and write english are more
>> negatively
>>
>> impacted. When an immigrant I know tried to take ESL classes at
>> Northern virginia community college, it is my understanding he could
>> not follow the class due to the visual nature of it such as pictures
>> in workbooks. And, of
>>
>> course Nova is terrible at accomodations and failed to help this
>> student with special needs succeed.
>>
>> 3. Blind Dreamers may also have a harder time securing other
>> government services.
>> 4. Dreamers may be denied other services their fellow dreamers can
>> partake of.
>>
>> I'm glad NFB is taking this up.
>>
>> Yes it is true we are vastly underemployed in general. It is true we
>> have a
>>
>> ways to go in that area for all Americans.
>> I think a huge hindrance to employment is accessibility of software.
>> I've seen it firsthand. I'm hoping NFB will make headway in advocacy
>> for accessibility sooner than later.
>>
>> Its also true that none of the NFB national resolutions spoke of this
>> issue.
>>
>> However, I believe the resolutions were written prior to Mr. Trump's
>> decision.
>>
>> Its something to ask the national office if you are still curious.
>> I'm a naturalized citizen too, and I definitely understand your concerns.
>> As a naturalized citizen, I want to be a first class citizen and earn
>> my way
>>
>> including participating in the workforce but so far many barriers have
>> hindered me such as attitudes of employers and accessibility of third
>> party
>>
>> software.
>> However, Dreamers have unique needs and challenges which I, as a
>> naturalized
>>
>> citizen growing up here in American public schools, do not have.
>>
>> Good questions.
>> I look forward to the outcome of such studies NFB conducts.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joe via NABS-L
>> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 7:06 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Cc: Joe
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind
>> Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>>
>>
>> This post has been gnawing at me for over a week. Maybe someone can
>> help me understand our rationale in getting involved in an issue that
>> is clearly partisan.
>>
>>
>>
>> My understanding is that the NFB seeks to enable all blind individuals
>> to live the life they want, irrespective of immigration status. No
>> argument here. I appreciate the work we do to provide equal
>> opportunities for everyone--regardless of their legal status, which
>> ought not to be any of our business anyway, and regardless of their
>> membership in our organization.
>>
>>
>>
>> But now we're talking about devoting already limited resources to
>> better inform policymakers about the administration's decision to
>> rescind the DACA program. I don't understand how this became a priority.
>>
>>
>>
>> Why are we suddenly interested in providing assistance to
>> beneficiaries of the DACA program? If we are doing our work correctly,
>> then one could argue the affected blind beneficiaries are already being
>> served.
>>
>>
>>
>> Why would we collect statistical analyses on the unemployment rate of
>> the blind before and after the DACA program when we barely have a
>> handle on the unemployment rate among the majority of blind Americans?
>> If the general statistics are accurate, then the unemployment rate
>> among the blind is somewhere in the neighborhood of 75%. I don't
>> understand why our limited resources would not be devoted to solving
>> for the employment needs of all blind Americans as opposed to the
>> needs of the few. The fact we are largely excluded from the vast
>> majority of minimum wage jobs accessible to the rest of the population
>> should be of greater concern than the consequences of a program that was
>> legally and constitutionally controversial to start.
>>
>>
>>
>> The DACA program is not likely to result in mass deportations and
>> other grim predictions forecasted by one side of the highly polarizing
>> issue. The point is part of a larger debate on immigration reform.
>> Congress should enact legislation the way it should have done when the
>> legislative measure was originally proposed under President Bush in
>> 2007, and to be fair, a bipartisan effort is underway to provide at
>> least a three-year reprieve to the affected community. Given the
>> convoluted and hotly contested nature of the overarching dialogue on
>> the matter, why would the NFB spend its limited political capital
>> appearing to take sides on this issue?
>>
>>
>>
>> Looking through this year's resolutions, I see no mention of devoting
>> resources to beneficiaries of the DACA program. How do we go about
>> deciding outreach efforts in situations where our mission was not
>> directed by the objectives agreed to by our convention?
>>
>>
>>
>> To me, the step feels like an opportunistic means of snagging
>> attention on an issue that is already steeped in controversy. We are
>> already fighting an uphill battle on employment equality for those
>> individuals working in sheltered environments. We already face
>> educational and employment disparities among highly qualified blind
>> permanent residents and citizens, born and naturalized.
>>
>>
>>
>> But, perhaps I am missing something. I'm willing to be educated. As a
>> naturalized citizen, I understand the benefits of something like DACA
>> to get ahead in this country. For that, there are other immigration
>> rights consumer groups. We can trust them to take up the cry for fair
>> treatment. We can trust them to help undocumented individuals find and
>> keep a place in our society. I would like to think we place our trust
>> in the NFB to make that society more accessible.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>>
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>>
>> From: NFBNet-Members-List
>> [mailto:nfbnet-members-list-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On
>> Behalf Of President, National Federation of the Blind via
>> NFBNet-Members-List
>> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:07 AM
>> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of
>> the Blind Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>> Importance: High
>>
>>
>>
>> National Federation of the Blind Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>
>> As the principal vehicle for collective action for the blind in the
>> United States, the National Federation of the Blind is committed to
>> enabling all blind people, irrespective of immigration status, to live
>> the lives we want.
>> To better inform our current and future advocacy and policy
>> strategies, the National Federation of the Blind is collecting the
>> following information to better understand the impact of the
>> administration's recent decision to rescind the Deferred Action for
>> Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program among the blind in the United States.
>> The information collected will be used to:
>>
>> 1. Identify DREAMers who are blind in order to better understand the
>> impact on blind people and help inform the National Federation of the
>> Blind regarding ways the organization can best provide assistance.
>> 2. Develop an aggregate summary of the blind people in the United
>> States who participate in the DACA program, which can be shared with
>> government officials, advocates, and other interested parties.
>> 3. Develop statistical analyses on the unemployment rate among the
>> blind before and after the establishment of the DACA program.
>> 4. Highlight general narratives of blind people living the lives they
>> want because of the DACA program.
>> 5. Coordinate a community of blind DACA recipients in order to
>> maximize the resources available.
>>
>>
>> If you or someone you know is blind and receives DACA benefits, please
>> complete the National Federation of the Blind DACA form at the below
>> links (available in Spanish and English), or share this information
>> with them. If you know of a DREAMer who does not have internet access,
>> we would appreciate your helping them complete the form.
>>
>> Spanish NFB DACA form: https://nfb.org/daca-es English NFB DACA form:
>> https://nfb.org/daca
>>
>> Together with love, hope, and determination, the National Federation
>> of the Blind transforms dreams into reality. Through this effort we
>> seek to support the hopes and dreams of blind people seeking to be
>> fully contributing members of our nation.
>>
>>
>> Mark A. Riccobono, President
>> 200 East Wells Street, Baltimore, MD 21230
>> (410) 659-9314 | Officeofthepresident at nfb.org
>> Twitter: @Riccobono
>>
>>
>> <https://nfb.org/> Image removed by sender. National Federation of the
>> Blind
>>
>>
>> <http://www.facebook.com/nationalfederationoftheblind> Image removed by
>> sender. Facebook     <https://twitter.com/NFB_Voice> Image removed by
>> sender. Twitter     <https://www.youtube.com/NationsBlind> Image removed
>> by
>> sender. Youtube
>>
>> The National Federation of the Blind is a community of members and
>> friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation's blind.
>> Every day we work together to help blind people live the lives they
>> want.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
> --
> Miso Kwak
> University of California, Los Angeles | 2017 Psychology B.A. | Education
> Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
> (909) 660-1897
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Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
(909) 660-1897


From codybeardslee at gmail.com  Mon Sep 25 01:06:33 2017
From: codybeardslee at gmail.com (Cody Beardslee)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 20:06:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fundraising Call
Message-ID: <3E76A8F4-88AE-4DB1-9885-0CAB4A2333E9@gmail.com>

Hi students!

Come join us on the NABS Fundraising call tomorrow night at 9 eastern.  We are looking forward to hear your awesome ideas!  

Conference Line: (712) 770-5197 
Access code: 265669 

Thanks! 

Cody Beardslee 
Treasurer, National Association of Blind Students 
President, Minnesota Association of Blind Students 
Board Member, National Federation of the Blind of Minnesota 
Phone: 763-291-3711
Work Email: cbeardslee at blindinc.org 
LIVE THE LIFE YOU WANT! 

From alliefa1999 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 25 01:14:02 2017
From: alliefa1999 at gmail.com (Alexandra Alfonso)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 21:14:02 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Needing someone to talk 2
In-Reply-To: <CAJTqpvTUjiYUFjazv4chu2RPOfHMexo-VJOtqis9KBGv319Stw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <71FD99A1-E0ED-403B-BD08-55DB82EA673E@icloud.com>
	<CAJTqpvTUjiYUFjazv4chu2RPOfHMexo-VJOtqis9KBGv319Stw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7350D113-5038-4105-BA91-22B36DCE98B8@gmail.com>

Hello. Feel free to email me at alliefa1999 at gmail.com

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 24, 2017, at 8:15 PM, nesma aly via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> You can talk to me if you would like. Email me privately and I will give
> you more info. Or you can find me on messenger.
> 
>> On Sep 24, 2017 17:35, "Emma Mitchell via NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> I need someone to talk 2 about something that happened that embarrassed me
>> and now I’m kinda feeling down
>> Emma
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/
>> nesmaaly123%40gmail.com
>> 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 25 01:22:22 2017
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 21:22:22 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Needing someone to talk 2
In-Reply-To: <7350D113-5038-4105-BA91-22B36DCE98B8@gmail.com>
References: <71FD99A1-E0ED-403B-BD08-55DB82EA673E@icloud.com>	<CAJTqpvTUjiYUFjazv4chu2RPOfHMexo-VJOtqis9KBGv319Stw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7350D113-5038-4105-BA91-22B36DCE98B8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <05f301d3359c$bd286db0$37794910$@gmail.com>

My e-mail is Justin.williams2 at gmail.com
If you need something, e-mail me.
 Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alexandra Alfonso via NABS-L
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 9:14 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Alexandra Alfonso <alliefa1999 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Needing someone to talk 2

Hello. Feel free to email me at alliefa1999 at gmail.com

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 24, 2017, at 8:15 PM, nesma aly via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> You can talk to me if you would like. Email me privately and I will 
> give you more info. Or you can find me on messenger.
> 
>> On Sep 24, 2017 17:35, "Emma Mitchell via NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> I need someone to talk 2 about something that happened that 
>> embarrassed me and now I’m kinda feeling down Emma 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/
>> nesmaaly123%40gmail.com
>> 
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> l.com

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From santiago.blue.hernandez at gmail.com  Mon Sep 25 01:26:35 2017
From: santiago.blue.hernandez at gmail.com (Santiago)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 18:26:35 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Needing someone to talk 2
In-Reply-To: <05f301d3359c$bd286db0$37794910$@gmail.com>
References: <71FD99A1-E0ED-403B-BD08-55DB82EA673E@icloud.com>
	<CAJTqpvTUjiYUFjazv4chu2RPOfHMexo-VJOtqis9KBGv319Stw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7350D113-5038-4105-BA91-22B36DCE98B8@gmail.com>
	<05f301d3359c$bd286db0$37794910$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F77BF164-92E1-4653-A261-1E180192C5EB@gmail.com>

Hi, 
I'm Santi. I'm also here if anyone wants someone to talk to. Feel free to reach out! 



Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 24, 2017, at 6:22 PM, Justin Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> My e-mail is Justin.williams2 at gmail.com
> If you need something, e-mail me.
> Justin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alexandra Alfonso via NABS-L
> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 9:14 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Alexandra Alfonso <alliefa1999 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Needing someone to talk 2
> 
> Hello. Feel free to email me at alliefa1999 at gmail.com
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 24, 2017, at 8:15 PM, nesma aly via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> You can talk to me if you would like. Email me privately and I will 
>> give you more info. Or you can find me on messenger.
>> 
>>> On Sep 24, 2017 17:35, "Emma Mitchell via NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> I need someone to talk 2 about something that happened that 
>>> embarrassed me and now I’m kinda feeling down Emma 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> NABS-L:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/
>>> nesmaaly123%40gmail.com
>>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alliefa1999%40gmai
>> l.com
> 
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From santiago.blue.hernandez at gmail.com  Mon Sep 25 01:28:49 2017
From: santiago.blue.hernandez at gmail.com (Santiago)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 18:28:49 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Needing someone to talk 2
In-Reply-To: <05f301d3359c$bd286db0$37794910$@gmail.com>
References: <71FD99A1-E0ED-403B-BD08-55DB82EA673E@icloud.com>
	<CAJTqpvTUjiYUFjazv4chu2RPOfHMexo-VJOtqis9KBGv319Stw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7350D113-5038-4105-BA91-22B36DCE98B8@gmail.com>
	<05f301d3359c$bd286db0$37794910$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CEA1CEC-757E-4C1E-A86F-5191BB89029C@gmail.com>

Hi, 
For those who don't know me yet, I'm Santi! I'm here if anyone wants someone to talk to as well. My email address is Santiago.Blue.Hernandez at gmail.com

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 24, 2017, at 6:22 PM, Justin Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> My e-mail is Justin.williams2 at gmail.com
> If you need something, e-mail me.
> Justin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alexandra Alfonso via NABS-L
> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 9:14 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Alexandra Alfonso <alliefa1999 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Needing someone to talk 2
> 
> Hello. Feel free to email me at alliefa1999 at gmail.com
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 24, 2017, at 8:15 PM, nesma aly via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> You can talk to me if you would like. Email me privately and I will 
>> give you more info. Or you can find me on messenger.
>> 
>>> On Sep 24, 2017 17:35, "Emma Mitchell via NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> I need someone to talk 2 about something that happened that 
>>> embarrassed me and now I’m kinda feeling down Emma 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> NABS-L:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/
>>> nesmaaly123%40gmail.com
>>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alliefa1999%40gmai
>> l.com
> 
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> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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> 
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From armando.mailinglists at gmail.com  Mon Sep 25 02:26:25 2017
From: armando.mailinglists at gmail.com (Armando Vias)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 22:26:25 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Needing someone to talk 2
In-Reply-To: <71FD99A1-E0ED-403B-BD08-55DB82EA673E@icloud.com>
References: <71FD99A1-E0ED-403B-BD08-55DB82EA673E@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <2F4C623B-5BEB-4CF5-A46E-CC367545A016@gmail.com>

Hey. You can text me at 9108033111

Sent from my iPhone 6s

> On Sep 24, 2017, at 5:34 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> I need someone to talk 2 about something that happened that embarrassed me and now I’m kinda feeling down
> Emma
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/armando.mailinglists%40gmail.com


From kaity.hall at icloud.com  Mon Sep 25 04:23:58 2017
From: kaity.hall at icloud.com (Kaity Hall)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 23:23:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Needing someone to talk 2
In-Reply-To: <2F4C623B-5BEB-4CF5-A46E-CC367545A016@gmail.com>
References: <71FD99A1-E0ED-403B-BD08-55DB82EA673E@icloud.com>
	<2F4C623B-5BEB-4CF5-A46E-CC367545A016@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5A46AB5D-5C78-4FF1-B315-7DE857345CD8@icloud.com>

Hi Emma!

That's the story of my life girl! Always! I'm totally here for you! You can email me at kaity.hall at icloud.com. Feel free! Like I said, I totally get it!!! It's all good!

Kaity

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 24, 2017, at 9:26 PM, Armando Vias via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey. You can text me at 9108033111
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6s
> 
>> On Sep 24, 2017, at 5:34 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> I need someone to talk 2 about something that happened that embarrassed me and now I’m kinda feeling down
>> Emma
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/armando.mailinglists%40gmail.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaity.hall%40icloud.com


From keribcu at gmail.com  Mon Sep 25 10:59:39 2017
From: keribcu at gmail.com (Keri Svendsen)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 06:59:39 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Needing someone to talk 2
In-Reply-To: <71FD99A1-E0ED-403B-BD08-55DB82EA673E@icloud.com>
References: <71FD99A1-E0ED-403B-BD08-55DB82EA673E@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <fe56ffe7-6cf5-6493-2478-08e9074f45ab@gmail.com>

emma,


Feel free to contact me off list.


On 9/24/2017 5:34 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote:
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> I need someone to talk 2 about something that happened that embarrassed me and now I’m kinda feeling down
> Emma
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/keribcu%40gmail.com

-- 
Keri Svendsen



From williams.tarik20 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 25 13:23:51 2017
From: williams.tarik20 at gmail.com (Tarik Williams)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 08:23:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Membership call
Message-ID: <8583F4C7-2658-485D-AEAB-3688D64380CF@gmail.com>

Hello to all,
 
 
    I hope this email finds all of you well.  I hope the school year is going well for all of you. If I can be a resource in anyway or answer any questions please let me know!  This email is to inform you about our membership call next Sunday October 1st.  We will be kicking off meet the blind month with a membership call on how to network and all of the BENEFITS.  Our guest speakers will tell their stories and give very valuable information.  The calling information is as follows:
 
Call: 712-770-5197
Access code: 265669
 
 
We look forward to having you join us to kick off Meet the Blind Month!
 
All the best,
 
Tarik Williams
Board Member of the National Association Of Blind Students
Chair of the Outreach Committee
 
 
“Potential is only Unachieved Greatness”

From jldail13 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 25 13:36:10 2017
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 09:36:10 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Membership call
In-Reply-To: <8583F4C7-2658-485D-AEAB-3688D64380CF@gmail.com>
References: <8583F4C7-2658-485D-AEAB-3688D64380CF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B296E3CC-4132-4D91-A76E-C37CF55C0F5A@gmail.com>

Hi
What is the time of this meeting? Thanks, Jessica

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 25, 2017, at 9:23 AM, Tarik Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello to all,
> 
> 
>    I hope this email finds all of you well.  I hope the school year is going well for all of you. If I can be a resource in anyway or answer any questions please let me know!  This email is to inform you about our membership call next Sunday October 1st.  We will be kicking off meet the blind month with a membership call on how to network and all of the BENEFITS.  Our guest speakers will tell their stories and give very valuable information.  The calling information is as follows:
> 
> Call: 712-770-5197
> Access code: 265669
> 
> 
> We look forward to having you join us to kick off Meet the Blind Month!
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Tarik Williams
> Board Member of the National Association Of Blind Students
> Chair of the Outreach Committee
> 
> 
> “Potential is only Unachieved Greatness”
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
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From williams.tarik20 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 25 13:41:27 2017
From: williams.tarik20 at gmail.com (Tarik Williams)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 08:41:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Outreach call
Message-ID: <A67EF0A4-930A-48C1-ABED-16089F0779CA@gmail.com>


Hello Students,

The Outreach committee will be having our monthly call on Wednesday, September 27. During this call, we will be going over some of the ideas and plans we had from our call last month.  We will be talking about different kinds of ways to have some more interactions with students and how to improve our student outreach.  In the outreach committee,  we want to grow as much as possible but we can only do that with your help!  Our committee call will once again be this Wednesday at nine o clock eastern.  The calling information is as follows: 

 
Call: 712-770-5197
Access code: 265669


All the best,

 
Tarik Williams
Board Member of the National Association Of Blind Students
Chair of the Outreach Committee
 
 
“Potential is only Unachieved Greatness”


Sent from my iPhone

From nabs.president at gmail.com  Mon Sep 25 13:47:40 2017
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (NABS President)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 09:47:40 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Membership call, October 1 at 8 eastern
In-Reply-To: <B296E3CC-4132-4D91-A76E-C37CF55C0F5A@gmail.com>
References: <8583F4C7-2658-485D-AEAB-3688D64380CF@gmail.com>
	<B296E3CC-4132-4D91-A76E-C37CF55C0F5A@gmail.com>
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8pm eastern! 

Kathryn Webster
President, National Association of Blind Students
(203) 273-8463
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 25, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi
> What is the time of this meeting? Thanks, Jessica
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 25, 2017, at 9:23 AM, Tarik Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello to all,
>> 
>> 
>>   I hope this email finds all of you well.  I hope the school year is going well for all of you. If I can be a resource in anyway or answer any questions please let me know!  This email is to inform you about our membership call next Sunday October 1st.  We will be kicking off meet the blind month with a membership call on how to network and all of the BENEFITS.  Our guest speakers will tell their stories and give very valuable information.  The calling information is as follows:
>> 
>> Call: 712-770-5197
>> Access code: 265669
>> 
>> 
>> We look forward to having you join us to kick off Meet the Blind Month!
>> 
>> All the best,
>> 
>> Tarik Williams
>> Board Member of the National Association Of Blind Students
>> Chair of the Outreach Committee
>> 
>> 
>> “Potential is only Unachieved Greatness”
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From sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com  Mon Sep 25 14:22:51 2017
From: sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 10:22:51 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Character-Based Language Classes
In-Reply-To: <54CD81FF-7F0D-4BCA-AA19-841AED648D5E@gmail.com>
References: <54CD81FF-7F0D-4BCA-AA19-841AED648D5E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <59c9113e.c3146b0a.5d7d7.0e1f@mx.google.com>

Hi all,
I'm also interested in this topic. Duxbury's Braille-to-print translation is
not available for many character-based languages and I'm not sure how to go
about getting language keyboards or other things that a screen reader might
pick up on. I'm also not sure if print-to-Braille translation is available
on a Braille display or instance. I've been interested in learning Arabic or
Mandarin for years but have no idea where to start and don't want to learn
orally without learning literacy as well.

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Sarah

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ellana Crew via
NABS-L
Sent: September 24, 2017 1:47 PM
To: chelsea peahl via Nabs-L
Cc: Ellana Crew
Subject: [nabs-l] Character-Based Language Classes

Afternoon friends,

Recently, I have been thinking of taking courses at my college to learn
Japanese or Chinese, however I am not totally certain how to go about doing
this as a blind person considering that these are character-based languages.
I much prefer to do things non-visually, however I do have a certain level
of residual vision that I could use if it came down to it. Essentially, I am
wondering if there is anybody who has taken classes for character-based
languages that may be able to give me some pointers on how to get through
such a class, given that the class will almost certainly be teaching the
basics of the written characters and that assignments will most likely
contain written characters fairly frequently.

I know that there are braille systems for these languages, however I'm not
sure if that would be practical considering that the professor would not
have any knowledge of the braille form, so I feel it would likely be quite
difficult to try and learn the language in braille in a class that teaches
printed form and uses it for assignments. My guess is that it would be much
easier to learn the language first and then learn the braille format, as
trying to learn both simultaneously does not seem very practical in a
mainstream college class.

I also know that I do have the option of attempting to learn a language
outside of the classroom setting on my own, first, in a way that may be
somewhat more accessible, though I would very much like to take advantage of
the classes offered through my school. It may be that I may need to try and
learn some basics on my own, first, and then take the classes later on to be
able to get the credit for them.

If there is anybody who is taking classes for character-based languages,
especially if you have specifically taken either Japanese or Chinese, I
would really, really love to hear how you made it work and what sorts of
accommodations you used and what systems you had with your professor to
inshore that you were given the equal opportunity to really learn the
language. This is something I have wanted to do since early high school, and
would really like to find a way to make it happen. Any experiences you could
share with me would be wonderful and feel free to email me off list if you
would really like to start some real in-depth dialogue about this.

Thank you all and have a nice afternoon!

Ellana Crew, Vice President
Maryland Association of Blind Students
Website: nfbmd.org/students
Facebook: facebook.com/mdabs.federation
Twitter: @MDABS_NFB

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
blindness is not what holds you back.
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From cory.j.mcmahon at gmail.com  Mon Sep 25 14:34:58 2017
From: cory.j.mcmahon at gmail.com (Cory McMahon)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 09:34:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Needing someone to talk 2
In-Reply-To: <fe56ffe7-6cf5-6493-2478-08e9074f45ab@gmail.com>
References: <71FD99A1-E0ED-403B-BD08-55DB82EA673E@icloud.com>
	<fe56ffe7-6cf5-6493-2478-08e9074f45ab@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <051e01d3360b$77586be0$660943a0$@gmail.com>

I'm also available if you wish to contact me off-list. I know what it's like to need someone to talk to. It's truly nice to see how supportive the NABS community has been!

Sincerely,

Cory McMahon

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Keri Svendsen via NABS-L
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:00 AM
To: Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Keri Svendsen <keribcu at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Needing someone to talk 2

emma,


Feel free to contact me off list.


On 9/24/2017 5:34 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote:
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> I need someone to talk 2 about something that happened that 
> embarrassed me and now I’m kinda feeling down Emma 
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 25 14:48:29 2017
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 10:48:29 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Needing someone to talk 2
In-Reply-To: <71FD99A1-E0ED-403B-BD08-55DB82EA673E@icloud.com>
References: <71FD99A1-E0ED-403B-BD08-55DB82EA673E@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <1E562B67-1A1C-4821-8E87-586AE68BAF34@gmail.com>

I'm here if you want to talk

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 24, 2017, at 5:34 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> I need someone to talk 2 about something that happened that embarrassed me and now I’m kinda feeling down
> Emma
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From sarah at sarahblakelarose.com  Mon Sep 25 18:42:55 2017
From: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com (sarah at sarahblakelarose.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 14:42:55 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Character-Based Language Classes
In-Reply-To: <59c9113e.c3146b0a.5d7d7.0e1f@mx.google.com>
References: <54CD81FF-7F0D-4BCA-AA19-841AED648D5E@gmail.com>
	<59c9113e.c3146b0a.5d7d7.0e1f@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <004b01d3362e$1aab3620$5001a260$@sarahblakelarose.com>

Hi, Sarah.

Support for language based keyboards sometimes depends on the order in which characters are input. For instance, if it takes a combination of three keystrokes to enter a character, a sighted person may be able to enter them in various order and still see the character, but you may have to hit on the right order to get the screen reader to display the character, assuming the screen reader supports the language in braille to begin with.


Rev. Sarah Blake LaRose
http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
Accessible instruction in Biblical languages

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sarah Jevnikar via NABS-L
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 10:23 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Sarah Jevnikar <sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Character-Based Language Classes

Hi all,
I'm also interested in this topic. Duxbury's Braille-to-print translation is not available for many character-based languages and I'm not sure how to go about getting language keyboards or other things that a screen reader might pick up on. I'm also not sure if print-to-Braille translation is available on a Braille display or instance. I've been interested in learning Arabic or Mandarin for years but have no idea where to start and don't want to learn orally without learning literacy as well.

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Sarah

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ellana Crew via NABS-L
Sent: September 24, 2017 1:47 PM
To: chelsea peahl via Nabs-L
Cc: Ellana Crew
Subject: [nabs-l] Character-Based Language Classes

Afternoon friends,

Recently, I have been thinking of taking courses at my college to learn Japanese or Chinese, however I am not totally certain how to go about doing this as a blind person considering that these are character-based languages.
I much prefer to do things non-visually, however I do have a certain level of residual vision that I could use if it came down to it. Essentially, I am wondering if there is anybody who has taken classes for character-based languages that may be able to give me some pointers on how to get through such a class, given that the class will almost certainly be teaching the basics of the written characters and that assignments will most likely contain written characters fairly frequently.

I know that there are braille systems for these languages, however I'm not sure if that would be practical considering that the professor would not have any knowledge of the braille form, so I feel it would likely be quite difficult to try and learn the language in braille in a class that teaches printed form and uses it for assignments. My guess is that it would be much easier to learn the language first and then learn the braille format, as trying to learn both simultaneously does not seem very practical in a mainstream college class.

I also know that I do have the option of attempting to learn a language outside of the classroom setting on my own, first, in a way that may be somewhat more accessible, though I would very much like to take advantage of the classes offered through my school. It may be that I may need to try and learn some basics on my own, first, and then take the classes later on to be able to get the credit for them.

If there is anybody who is taking classes for character-based languages, especially if you have specifically taken either Japanese or Chinese, I would really, really love to hear how you made it work and what sorts of accommodations you used and what systems you had with your professor to inshore that you were given the equal opportunity to really learn the language. This is something I have wanted to do since early high school, and would really like to find a way to make it happen. Any experiences you could share with me would be wonderful and feel free to email me off list if you would really like to start some real in-depth dialogue about this.

Thank you all and have a nice afternoon!

Ellana Crew, Vice President
Maryland Association of Blind Students
Website: nfbmd.org/students
Facebook: facebook.com/mdabs.federation
Twitter: @MDABS_NFB

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Tue Sep 26 03:25:34 2017
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 20:25:34 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Character-Based Language Classes
In-Reply-To: <59c9113e.c3146b0a.5d7d7.0e1f@mx.google.com>
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	<59c9113e.c3146b0a.5d7d7.0e1f@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.324.1772982285.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Afternoon, Sarah,

         In high school, I studied nihongo tenji (Japanese braille) 
by, in addition to studying the language at school, having my Daddy 
look up descriptions of how the braille code corresponds to the 
syllable chart (hiragana/katakana) On-line and, after gaining a 
working knowledge, obtaining an actual book from Japan so I might use 
that to apply what I had learned from the On-line resource to try 
reading the book. That worked really well as all experiencial lessons 
do, to gain sort of a practical, hands-on relationship with the 
syllables.  Although I have sort of gotten away from nihongo tenji in 
recent years, namely because I have lost the ability (not the skill) 
of interpreting braille, I feel I have retained a working knowledge 
of the code well enough perhaps, to write it. Try that. I don't know 
if you have a resource to obtain published examples of Arabic braille 
but I'm sure GOOGLE might be able to help with that, too?
Carly Mihalakis: 408-209-3239
FYI, in my experience, I dictated the impossible Japanese characters, 
didn't worry about keyboards and the like.
If I can be of any more help, please call?
408-209-3239
Good luck, Sarah!
Car



languages and I'm not sure how to go
>about getting language keyboards or other things that a screen reader might
>pick up on. I'm also not sure if print-to-Braille translation is available
>on a Braille display or instance. I've been interested in learning Arabic or
>Mandarin for years but have no idea where to start and don't want to learn
>orally without learning literacy as well.
>
>Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>Sarah
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ellana Crew via
>NABS-L
>Sent: September 24, 2017 1:47 PM
>To: chelsea peahl via Nabs-L
>Cc: Ellana Crew
>Subject: [nabs-l] Character-Based Language Classes
>
>Afternoon friends,
>
>Recently, I have been thinking of taking courses at my college to learn
>Japanese or Chinese, however I am not totally certain how to go about doing
>this as a blind person considering that these are character-based languages.
>I much prefer to do things non-visually, however I do have a certain level
>of residual vision that I could use if it came down to it. Essentially, I am
>wondering if there is anybody who has taken classes for character-based
>languages that may be able to give me some pointers on how to get through
>such a class, given that the class will almost certainly be teaching the
>basics of the written characters and that assignments will most likely
>contain written characters fairly frequently.
>
>I know that there are braille systems for these languages, however I'm not
>sure if that would be practical considering that the professor would not
>have any knowledge of the braille form, so I feel it would likely be quite
>difficult to try and learn the language in braille in a class that teaches
>printed form and uses it for assignments. My guess is that it would be much
>easier to learn the language first and then learn the braille format, as
>trying to learn both simultaneously does not seem very practical in a
>mainstream college class.
>
>I also know that I do have the option of attempting to learn a language
>outside of the classroom setting on my own, first, in a way that may be
>somewhat more accessible, though I would very much like to take advantage of
>the classes offered through my school. It may be that I may need to try and
>learn some basics on my own, first, and then take the classes later on to be
>able to get the credit for them.
>
>If there is anybody who is taking classes for character-based languages,
>especially if you have specifically taken either Japanese or Chinese, I
>would really, really love to hear how you made it work and what sorts of
>accommodations you used and what systems you had with your professor to
>inshore that you were given the equal opportunity to really learn the
>language. This is something I have wanted to do since early high school, and
>would really like to find a way to make it happen. Any experiences you could
>share with me would be wonderful and feel free to email me off list if you
>would really like to start some real in-depth dialogue about this.
>
>Thank you all and have a nice afternoon!
>
>Ellana Crew, Vice President
>Maryland Association of Blind Students
>Website: nfbmd.org/students
>Facebook: facebook.com/mdabs.federation
>Twitter: @MDABS_NFB
>
>The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
>between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
>blindness is not what holds you back.
>_______________________________________________
>NABS-L mailing list
>NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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>om
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From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 26 11:56:39 2017
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 07:56:39 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind Is
 Seeking to Support DREAMers
In-Reply-To: <CAMe9x_G+eXM3O6+NM5OZbaRTzEc0jv=tUpOewkQDnfu=++rHCQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <028e01d334c0$a1311530$e3933f90$@gmail.com>
	<AECDD805415A4373ADD9B21DB64F9BB8@OwnerPC>
	<CAMe9x_F5Z09mSo_BSK2nRiiviEJa2pqFsD_nd0wii0zvj2k0mA@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello,

Interesting points. Let me offer a few rebuttals for the sake of
discussion. I realize my opposition will not change anything, but
hopefully the discussion is of some thoughtful value.

@ Ashley:

First, state rehabilitation services are not denied to persons with no
legal immigration status. DACA did not magically open these services.

Second, language barriers can be a challenge to all persons, not just
undocumented immigrants. Learning the English language ought to be a
goal for everyone to achieve to be marketable in this employment
industry.

Third, what government services would blind DREAMers not be able to
procure if DACA truly expired? Somehow we have gotten it into our
heads that before DACA, life was truly dismal for undocumented blind
persons. Yes, it was challenging, but what do we suppose blind
immigrants were doing before DACA was enacted under Obama? What do we
assume blind persons over the age of 31 are doing now? If things have
truly been that critical, why have we as a blind movement not
acknowledged the epidemic sooner?

You wrote: "4. Dreamers may be denied other services their fellow
dreamers can partake of."

Forgive me. I'm an idiot. What did you mean by this point?

@ Miso:

My point was not so much that disability and immigration are two
different issues. My point is that with limited capital, with limited
resources, why are we pursuing a narrow scope and highly controversial
advocacy issue when there is already an array of social justice
organizations taking up the cause?

To be clear, DACA is not what keeps a blind person from living the
life they want. Their legal status is creating that prevention. DACA
is, at best, a short-term cure for a long-term problem.

Should there be collaboration between disability rights and
immigration groups? Sure, but that should be part of a general
outreach strategy, not a specific initiative. By your logic, what we
really ought to be doing to help blind undocumented people is provide
assistance navigating the immigration process, and that isn't really a
part of our core mission. It's not our expertise, and nor should it
be. Our objective is more collective.

Could USCIS be more accommodating? I suppose that depends on your
experience. I navigated the system more than a decade ago. I did so
independently, without the need for legal counsel or immigration
rights advocacy. I am by no means suggesting my experience should set
the bar for everyone else's progress, but in terms of website
accessibility and forms, I remember being quite surprised at how
straightforward the application went. Regardless of my own experiences
though, here is a place where the NFB could insert itself. Government
resource accessibility ought to be equal for all, not because it
affects a segment of society but because public resources from any
agency are legally bound to be accessible.

Anyway, I don't want to belabor the point if I am a minority of one.
The initiative feels a little random to me, a little too much like the
eager kid pushing for a place at a table where we do not have
strategic advantage. If we want to help DACA beneficiaries, the best
way to go about it is by ensuring the equal compensation of all blind
workers. We should ensure equal access to the classroom and workplace
for all blind students, employees and job applicants. Our community is
already too small for us to believe that blind DACA beneficiaries are
somehow at a unique disadvantage.

Joe


On 9/24/17, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Thank you for asking.
> For the sake of privacy, I will write without much personal details.
> In my opinion, one issue is in navigating the process of receiving
> accommodations when people with disabilities must work with U.S.
> Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS.) Working with USCIS could
> include applying for permanent residency, applying for citizenship,
> and a range of other services.
> Based on my personal experience, USCIS staff are not super
> knowledgeable about how to execute accommodation for people with
> disabilities.
> Immigrant rights organizations are not well-equipped with knowledge on
> requesting accommodations either based on my experience.
> Similarly, most people in organizations like NFB are not knowledgeable
> about immigration related procedures, and are unable to help when
> their members seek help with immigration related matters.
>
> In regards to why disability and immigration are not separate issues,
> many people come to U.S. for better medical care or simply better
> opportunity as people with disabilities. In other words, for some
> people, having a disability themselves or having a child with
> disability is primary reason why they forgo the comfort of their
> homeland and immigrate to the U.S. even when (in some cases) they risk
> being undocumented because U.S. offers better medical care and
> educational opportunities than their home country.
>
> On another note, I would like to note that NFB is not the only
> disability rights advocacy organization that  is taking a stance on
> DACA repeal.
>
> National Council on Independent Living expressed its stance on this
> article:
> http://www.advocacymonitor.com/ncil-condemns-the-decision-to-end-daca/
>
> Miso
>
>
>
> On 9/24/17, Sarah via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Miso, please explain more about your immigration process. (You may do so
>> privately if you wish.) This is something that I for one would like to
>> understand more about. How was this impacted by your blindness and what
>> do
>> immigration organizations need to know? I think that what you say here is
>> extremely valuable, and while I agree thhat educating other organizations
>> will take a long time I also think it is part of what we need to do. I
>> work
>> with other organizations that support immigrant rights in various ways,
>> and
>> I would like to educate them as much as possible.
>>
>>
>> Rev. Sarah Blake LaRose
>> http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
>> Accessible instruction in Biblical languages
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso Kwak
>> via
>> NABS-L
>> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 6:35 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Miso Kwak <misokwak12 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind Is
>> Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>
>> Joe and others who may share his sentiments, I would like to preface this
>> email by saying that I am neither an expert, nor deeply involved in NFB
>> leadership.
>> However, I am also a naturalized citizen, who self-identify as a 1.5
>> generation immigrant.
>>
>> So, for those who argue that disability and immigration are two
>> completely
>> separate issues, I am here as one of many living counterexamples to that
>> argument.
>>
>> If NFB or any other organization for that matter claims to be a consumer
>> organization promoting the blind to live the lives they want, I think it
>> is
>> the organization's responsibility to stand with blind people who are
>> affected by such major policy as DACA repeal. Bluntly speaking,
>> regardless
>> of one's view on whether DACA should be allowed or not, it is fact that
>> with
>> the repeal of DACA, blind people who are DACA recepients cannot live the
>> lives they want, figuratively and literally.
>>
>> My personal belief is that organizations serving the blind and immigrant
>> rights organizations must collaborate in order to meet the needs of blind
>> immigrants. Immigrant rights organization are not often equipped well
>> enough
>> to understand and serve people with not just blindness but any other
>> disabilities. My personal experience of going through the naturalization
>> process is one evidence.
>> Similarly, organizations that are solely dedicated to serving people with
>> disabilities are often poorly equipped with the ability and sensitivity
>> to
>> serve immigrants (whether the immigration was legal or
>> not)
>>
>> I am afraid it may take too long to see collaboration between disability
>> focused organization and immigrant rights organization, but I believe
>> NFB's
>> effort to learn more about the blind people affected by the repeal of
>> DACA
>> is a necessary first step forward.
>>
>> Miso Kwak
>>
>> On 9/24/17, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Joe,
>>>
>>> I'll try to be nonpartisan here. The DACA is a major thing impacting
>>> all those immigrants in it.
>>> I would guess it may impact blind  people more in the following ways:
>>> 1. It may impact their ability to receive state vocational rehab
>>> services that we all get or can get.
>>> 2. Unemployment among any immigrant population is hindered by  the
>>> language
>>>
>>> barriers. I  have seen it firsthand.
>>> While most people can go out and grab low wage jobs, blind people are
>>> excluded from these service sector jobs which require little language
>>> skills. Immigrants including dreamers partake in these jobs such as
>>> housekeeping staff at hotels, cleaning facilities in public areas such
>>> as our colleges and universities, painting houses, and of course lawn
>>> services.
>>> Blind people who cannot fluently read and write english are more
>>> negatively
>>>
>>> impacted. When an immigrant I know tried to take ESL classes at
>>> Northern virginia community college, it is my understanding he could
>>> not follow the class due to the visual nature of it such as pictures
>>> in workbooks. And, of
>>>
>>> course Nova is terrible at accomodations and failed to help this
>>> student with special needs succeed.
>>>
>>> 3. Blind Dreamers may also have a harder time securing other
>>> government services.
>>> 4. Dreamers may be denied other services their fellow dreamers can
>>> partake of.
>>>
>>> I'm glad NFB is taking this up.
>>>
>>> Yes it is true we are vastly underemployed in general. It is true we
>>> have a
>>>
>>> ways to go in that area for all Americans.
>>> I think a huge hindrance to employment is accessibility of software.
>>> I've seen it firsthand. I'm hoping NFB will make headway in advocacy
>>> for accessibility sooner than later.
>>>
>>> Its also true that none of the NFB national resolutions spoke of this
>>> issue.
>>>
>>> However, I believe the resolutions were written prior to Mr. Trump's
>>> decision.
>>>
>>> Its something to ask the national office if you are still curious.
>>> I'm a naturalized citizen too, and I definitely understand your
>>> concerns.
>>> As a naturalized citizen, I want to be a first class citizen and earn
>>> my way
>>>
>>> including participating in the workforce but so far many barriers have
>>> hindered me such as attitudes of employers and accessibility of third
>>> party
>>>
>>> software.
>>> However, Dreamers have unique needs and challenges which I, as a
>>> naturalized
>>>
>>> citizen growing up here in American public schools, do not have.
>>>
>>> Good questions.
>>> I look forward to the outcome of such studies NFB conducts.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joe via NABS-L
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 7:06 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Cc: Joe
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind
>>> Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This post has been gnawing at me for over a week. Maybe someone can
>>> help me understand our rationale in getting involved in an issue that
>>> is clearly partisan.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My understanding is that the NFB seeks to enable all blind individuals
>>> to live the life they want, irrespective of immigration status. No
>>> argument here. I appreciate the work we do to provide equal
>>> opportunities for everyone--regardless of their legal status, which
>>> ought not to be any of our business anyway, and regardless of their
>>> membership in our organization.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But now we're talking about devoting already limited resources to
>>> better inform policymakers about the administration's decision to
>>> rescind the DACA program. I don't understand how this became a priority.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why are we suddenly interested in providing assistance to
>>> beneficiaries of the DACA program? If we are doing our work correctly,
>>> then one could argue the affected blind beneficiaries are already being
>>> served.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why would we collect statistical analyses on the unemployment rate of
>>> the blind before and after the DACA program when we barely have a
>>> handle on the unemployment rate among the majority of blind Americans?
>>> If the general statistics are accurate, then the unemployment rate
>>> among the blind is somewhere in the neighborhood of 75%. I don't
>>> understand why our limited resources would not be devoted to solving
>>> for the employment needs of all blind Americans as opposed to the
>>> needs of the few. The fact we are largely excluded from the vast
>>> majority of minimum wage jobs accessible to the rest of the population
>>> should be of greater concern than the consequences of a program that was
>>> legally and constitutionally controversial to start.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The DACA program is not likely to result in mass deportations and
>>> other grim predictions forecasted by one side of the highly polarizing
>>> issue. The point is part of a larger debate on immigration reform.
>>> Congress should enact legislation the way it should have done when the
>>> legislative measure was originally proposed under President Bush in
>>> 2007, and to be fair, a bipartisan effort is underway to provide at
>>> least a three-year reprieve to the affected community. Given the
>>> convoluted and hotly contested nature of the overarching dialogue on
>>> the matter, why would the NFB spend its limited political capital
>>> appearing to take sides on this issue?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Looking through this year's resolutions, I see no mention of devoting
>>> resources to beneficiaries of the DACA program. How do we go about
>>> deciding outreach efforts in situations where our mission was not
>>> directed by the objectives agreed to by our convention?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To me, the step feels like an opportunistic means of snagging
>>> attention on an issue that is already steeped in controversy. We are
>>> already fighting an uphill battle on employment equality for those
>>> individuals working in sheltered environments. We already face
>>> educational and employment disparities among highly qualified blind
>>> permanent residents and citizens, born and naturalized.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But, perhaps I am missing something. I'm willing to be educated. As a
>>> naturalized citizen, I understand the benefits of something like DACA
>>> to get ahead in this country. For that, there are other immigration
>>> rights consumer groups. We can trust them to take up the cry for fair
>>> treatment. We can trust them to help undocumented individuals find and
>>> keep a place in our society. I would like to think we place our trust
>>> in the NFB to make that society more accessible.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: NFBNet-Members-List
>>> [mailto:nfbnet-members-list-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of President, National Federation of the Blind via
>>> NFBNet-Members-List
>>> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:07 AM
>>> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of
>>> the Blind Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>> Importance: High
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> National Federation of the Blind Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>>
>>> As the principal vehicle for collective action for the blind in the
>>> United States, the National Federation of the Blind is committed to
>>> enabling all blind people, irrespective of immigration status, to live
>>> the lives we want.
>>> To better inform our current and future advocacy and policy
>>> strategies, the National Federation of the Blind is collecting the
>>> following information to better understand the impact of the
>>> administration's recent decision to rescind the Deferred Action for
>>> Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program among the blind in the United States.
>>> The information collected will be used to:
>>>
>>> 1. Identify DREAMers who are blind in order to better understand the
>>> impact on blind people and help inform the National Federation of the
>>> Blind regarding ways the organization can best provide assistance.
>>> 2. Develop an aggregate summary of the blind people in the United
>>> States who participate in the DACA program, which can be shared with
>>> government officials, advocates, and other interested parties.
>>> 3. Develop statistical analyses on the unemployment rate among the
>>> blind before and after the establishment of the DACA program.
>>> 4. Highlight general narratives of blind people living the lives they
>>> want because of the DACA program.
>>> 5. Coordinate a community of blind DACA recipients in order to
>>> maximize the resources available.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you or someone you know is blind and receives DACA benefits, please
>>> complete the National Federation of the Blind DACA form at the below
>>> links (available in Spanish and English), or share this information
>>> with them. If you know of a DREAMer who does not have internet access,
>>> we would appreciate your helping them complete the form.
>>>
>>> Spanish NFB DACA form: https://nfb.org/daca-es English NFB DACA form:
>>> https://nfb.org/daca
>>>
>>> Together with love, hope, and determination, the National Federation
>>> of the Blind transforms dreams into reality. Through this effort we
>>> seek to support the hopes and dreams of blind people seeking to be
>>> fully contributing members of our nation.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark A. Riccobono, President
>>> 200 East Wells Street, Baltimore, MD 21230
>>> (410) 659-9314 | Officeofthepresident at nfb.org
>>> Twitter: @Riccobono
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://nfb.org/> Image removed by sender. National Federation of the
>>> Blind
>>>
>>>
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>>> sender. Twitter     <https://www.youtube.com/NationsBlind> Image removed
>>> by
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>>>
>>> The National Federation of the Blind is a community of members and
>>> friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation's blind.
>>> Every day we work together to help blind people live the lives they
>>> want.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Miso Kwak
>> University of California, Los Angeles | 2017 Psychology B.A. | Education
>> Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
>> (909) 660-1897
>>
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> (909) 660-1897
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From sarah at sarahblakelarose.com  Tue Sep 26 13:57:03 2017
From: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com (sarah at sarahblakelarose.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 09:57:03 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind Is
 Seeking to Support DREAMers
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Joe, perhaps the diversity of experiences that people are having with immigration is why the discussion needs to be had. If you found it easy to navigate the process and Miso did not, what were the differences in your two experiences? Were they language-based? Were they differences that actually did have to do with blindness, e.g. technology you were able to obtain that she was not, tech that did not support her language at the time, etc? Yes, learning English should be a goal for anyone entering this country. I am a language professor... You might be surprised how many emails I field from people who are seeking ways to teach English effectively to refugees, specifically to teach English reading skills. For some people, learning English is not an easy process, especially if they come from a country where blindness is treated as a condition that means you are cared for instead of employable. The NFB really does need to consider what impact blindness has on immigration and refugees; and I think that it will not be the same impact for each individual who enters this country. We have the potential to be able to work collaboratively with other agencies or simply to wash our hands and say it isn't our business. But it is our business.


Rev. Sarah Blake LaRose
http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
Accessible instruction in Biblical languages

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe Orozco via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 7:57 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Joe Orozco <jsoro620 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind Is Seeking to Support DREAMers

Hello,

Interesting points. Let me offer a few rebuttals for the sake of discussion. I realize my opposition will not change anything, but hopefully the discussion is of some thoughtful value.

@ Ashley:

First, state rehabilitation services are not denied to persons with no legal immigration status. DACA did not magically open these services.

Second, language barriers can be a challenge to all persons, not just undocumented immigrants. Learning the English language ought to be a goal for everyone to achieve to be marketable in this employment industry.

Third, what government services would blind DREAMers not be able to procure if DACA truly expired? Somehow we have gotten it into our heads that before DACA, life was truly dismal for undocumented blind persons. Yes, it was challenging, but what do we suppose blind immigrants were doing before DACA was enacted under Obama? What do we assume blind persons over the age of 31 are doing now? If things have truly been that critical, why have we as a blind movement not acknowledged the epidemic sooner?

You wrote: "4. Dreamers may be denied other services their fellow dreamers can partake of."

Forgive me. I'm an idiot. What did you mean by this point?

@ Miso:

My point was not so much that disability and immigration are two different issues. My point is that with limited capital, with limited resources, why are we pursuing a narrow scope and highly controversial advocacy issue when there is already an array of social justice organizations taking up the cause?

To be clear, DACA is not what keeps a blind person from living the life they want. Their legal status is creating that prevention. DACA is, at best, a short-term cure for a long-term problem.

Should there be collaboration between disability rights and immigration groups? Sure, but that should be part of a general outreach strategy, not a specific initiative. By your logic, what we really ought to be doing to help blind undocumented people is provide assistance navigating the immigration process, and that isn't really a part of our core mission. It's not our expertise, and nor should it be. Our objective is more collective.

Could USCIS be more accommodating? I suppose that depends on your experience. I navigated the system more than a decade ago. I did so independently, without the need for legal counsel or immigration rights advocacy. I am by no means suggesting my experience should set the bar for everyone else's progress, but in terms of website accessibility and forms, I remember being quite surprised at how straightforward the application went. Regardless of my own experiences though, here is a place where the NFB could insert itself. Government resource accessibility ought to be equal for all, not because it affects a segment of society but because public resources from any agency are legally bound to be accessible.

Anyway, I don't want to belabor the point if I am a minority of one.
The initiative feels a little random to me, a little too much like the eager kid pushing for a place at a table where we do not have strategic advantage. If we want to help DACA beneficiaries, the best way to go about it is by ensuring the equal compensation of all blind workers. We should ensure equal access to the classroom and workplace for all blind students, employees and job applicants. Our community is already too small for us to believe that blind DACA beneficiaries are somehow at a unique disadvantage.

Joe


On 9/24/17, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Thank you for asking.
> For the sake of privacy, I will write without much personal details.
> In my opinion, one issue is in navigating the process of receiving 
> accommodations when people with disabilities must work with U.S.
> Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS.) Working with USCIS could 
> include applying for permanent residency, applying for citizenship, 
> and a range of other services.
> Based on my personal experience, USCIS staff are not super 
> knowledgeable about how to execute accommodation for people with 
> disabilities.
> Immigrant rights organizations are not well-equipped with knowledge on 
> requesting accommodations either based on my experience.
> Similarly, most people in organizations like NFB are not knowledgeable 
> about immigration related procedures, and are unable to help when 
> their members seek help with immigration related matters.
>
> In regards to why disability and immigration are not separate issues, 
> many people come to U.S. for better medical care or simply better 
> opportunity as people with disabilities. In other words, for some 
> people, having a disability themselves or having a child with 
> disability is primary reason why they forgo the comfort of their 
> homeland and immigrate to the U.S. even when (in some cases) they risk 
> being undocumented because U.S. offers better medical care and 
> educational opportunities than their home country.
>
> On another note, I would like to note that NFB is not the only 
> disability rights advocacy organization that  is taking a stance on 
> DACA repeal.
>
> National Council on Independent Living expressed its stance on this
> article:
> http://www.advocacymonitor.com/ncil-condemns-the-decision-to-end-daca/
>
> Miso
>
>
>
> On 9/24/17, Sarah via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Miso, please explain more about your immigration process. (You may do 
>> so privately if you wish.) This is something that I for one would 
>> like to understand more about. How was this impacted by your 
>> blindness and what do immigration organizations need to know? I think 
>> that what you say here is extremely valuable, and while I agree thhat 
>> educating other organizations will take a long time I also think it 
>> is part of what we need to do. I work with other organizations that 
>> support immigrant rights in various ways, and I would like to educate 
>> them as much as possible.
>>
>>
>> Rev. Sarah Blake LaRose
>> http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
>> Accessible instruction in Biblical languages
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso 
>> Kwak via NABS-L
>> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 6:35 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Miso Kwak <misokwak12 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind 
>> Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>
>> Joe and others who may share his sentiments, I would like to preface 
>> this email by saying that I am neither an expert, nor deeply involved 
>> in NFB leadership.
>> However, I am also a naturalized citizen, who self-identify as a 1.5 
>> generation immigrant.
>>
>> So, for those who argue that disability and immigration are two 
>> completely separate issues, I am here as one of many living 
>> counterexamples to that argument.
>>
>> If NFB or any other organization for that matter claims to be a 
>> consumer organization promoting the blind to live the lives they 
>> want, I think it is the organization's responsibility to stand with 
>> blind people who are affected by such major policy as DACA repeal. 
>> Bluntly speaking, regardless of one's view on whether DACA should be 
>> allowed or not, it is fact that with the repeal of DACA, blind people 
>> who are DACA recepients cannot live the lives they want, figuratively 
>> and literally.
>>
>> My personal belief is that organizations serving the blind and 
>> immigrant rights organizations must collaborate in order to meet the 
>> needs of blind immigrants. Immigrant rights organization are not 
>> often equipped well enough to understand and serve people with not 
>> just blindness but any other disabilities. My personal experience of 
>> going through the naturalization process is one evidence.
>> Similarly, organizations that are solely dedicated to serving people 
>> with disabilities are often poorly equipped with the ability and 
>> sensitivity to serve immigrants (whether the immigration was legal or
>> not)
>>
>> I am afraid it may take too long to see collaboration between 
>> disability focused organization and immigrant rights organization, 
>> but I believe NFB's effort to learn more about the blind people 
>> affected by the repeal of DACA is a necessary first step forward.
>>
>> Miso Kwak
>>
>> On 9/24/17, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Joe,
>>>
>>> I'll try to be nonpartisan here. The DACA is a major thing impacting 
>>> all those immigrants in it.
>>> I would guess it may impact blind  people more in the following ways:
>>> 1. It may impact their ability to receive state vocational rehab 
>>> services that we all get or can get.
>>> 2. Unemployment among any immigrant population is hindered by  the 
>>> language
>>>
>>> barriers. I  have seen it firsthand.
>>> While most people can go out and grab low wage jobs, blind people 
>>> are excluded from these service sector jobs which require little 
>>> language skills. Immigrants including dreamers partake in these jobs 
>>> such as housekeeping staff at hotels, cleaning facilities in public 
>>> areas such as our colleges and universities, painting houses, and of 
>>> course lawn services.
>>> Blind people who cannot fluently read and write english are more 
>>> negatively
>>>
>>> impacted. When an immigrant I know tried to take ESL classes at 
>>> Northern virginia community college, it is my understanding he could 
>>> not follow the class due to the visual nature of it such as pictures 
>>> in workbooks. And, of
>>>
>>> course Nova is terrible at accomodations and failed to help this 
>>> student with special needs succeed.
>>>
>>> 3. Blind Dreamers may also have a harder time securing other 
>>> government services.
>>> 4. Dreamers may be denied other services their fellow dreamers can 
>>> partake of.
>>>
>>> I'm glad NFB is taking this up.
>>>
>>> Yes it is true we are vastly underemployed in general. It is true we 
>>> have a
>>>
>>> ways to go in that area for all Americans.
>>> I think a huge hindrance to employment is accessibility of software.
>>> I've seen it firsthand. I'm hoping NFB will make headway in advocacy 
>>> for accessibility sooner than later.
>>>
>>> Its also true that none of the NFB national resolutions spoke of 
>>> this issue.
>>>
>>> However, I believe the resolutions were written prior to Mr. Trump's 
>>> decision.
>>>
>>> Its something to ask the national office if you are still curious.
>>> I'm a naturalized citizen too, and I definitely understand your 
>>> concerns.
>>> As a naturalized citizen, I want to be a first class citizen and 
>>> earn my way
>>>
>>> including participating in the workforce but so far many barriers 
>>> have hindered me such as attitudes of employers and accessibility of 
>>> third party
>>>
>>> software.
>>> However, Dreamers have unique needs and challenges which I, as a 
>>> naturalized
>>>
>>> citizen growing up here in American public schools, do not have.
>>>
>>> Good questions.
>>> I look forward to the outcome of such studies NFB conducts.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joe via NABS-L
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 7:06 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Cc: Joe
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind 
>>> Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This post has been gnawing at me for over a week. Maybe someone can 
>>> help me understand our rationale in getting involved in an issue 
>>> that is clearly partisan.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My understanding is that the NFB seeks to enable all blind 
>>> individuals to live the life they want, irrespective of immigration 
>>> status. No argument here. I appreciate the work we do to provide 
>>> equal opportunities for everyone--regardless of their legal status, 
>>> which ought not to be any of our business anyway, and regardless of 
>>> their membership in our organization.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But now we're talking about devoting already limited resources to 
>>> better inform policymakers about the administration's decision to 
>>> rescind the DACA program. I don't understand how this became a priority.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why are we suddenly interested in providing assistance to 
>>> beneficiaries of the DACA program? If we are doing our work 
>>> correctly, then one could argue the affected blind beneficiaries are 
>>> already being served.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why would we collect statistical analyses on the unemployment rate 
>>> of the blind before and after the DACA program when we barely have a 
>>> handle on the unemployment rate among the majority of blind Americans?
>>> If the general statistics are accurate, then the unemployment rate 
>>> among the blind is somewhere in the neighborhood of 75%. I don't 
>>> understand why our limited resources would not be devoted to solving 
>>> for the employment needs of all blind Americans as opposed to the 
>>> needs of the few. The fact we are largely excluded from the vast 
>>> majority of minimum wage jobs accessible to the rest of the 
>>> population should be of greater concern than the consequences of a 
>>> program that was legally and constitutionally controversial to start.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The DACA program is not likely to result in mass deportations and 
>>> other grim predictions forecasted by one side of the highly 
>>> polarizing issue. The point is part of a larger debate on immigration reform.
>>> Congress should enact legislation the way it should have done when 
>>> the legislative measure was originally proposed under President Bush 
>>> in 2007, and to be fair, a bipartisan effort is underway to provide 
>>> at least a three-year reprieve to the affected community. Given the 
>>> convoluted and hotly contested nature of the overarching dialogue on 
>>> the matter, why would the NFB spend its limited political capital 
>>> appearing to take sides on this issue?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Looking through this year's resolutions, I see no mention of 
>>> devoting resources to beneficiaries of the DACA program. How do we 
>>> go about deciding outreach efforts in situations where our mission 
>>> was not directed by the objectives agreed to by our convention?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To me, the step feels like an opportunistic means of snagging 
>>> attention on an issue that is already steeped in controversy. We are 
>>> already fighting an uphill battle on employment equality for those 
>>> individuals working in sheltered environments. We already face 
>>> educational and employment disparities among highly qualified blind 
>>> permanent residents and citizens, born and naturalized.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But, perhaps I am missing something. I'm willing to be educated. As 
>>> a naturalized citizen, I understand the benefits of something like 
>>> DACA to get ahead in this country. For that, there are other 
>>> immigration rights consumer groups. We can trust them to take up the 
>>> cry for fair treatment. We can trust them to help undocumented 
>>> individuals find and keep a place in our society. I would like to 
>>> think we place our trust in the NFB to make that society more accessible.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: NFBNet-Members-List
>>> [mailto:nfbnet-members-list-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of President, National Federation of the Blind via 
>>> NFBNet-Members-List
>>> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:07 AM
>>> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of 
>>> the Blind Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>> Importance: High
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> National Federation of the Blind Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>>
>>> As the principal vehicle for collective action for the blind in the 
>>> United States, the National Federation of the Blind is committed to 
>>> enabling all blind people, irrespective of immigration status, to 
>>> live the lives we want.
>>> To better inform our current and future advocacy and policy 
>>> strategies, the National Federation of the Blind is collecting the 
>>> following information to better understand the impact of the 
>>> administration's recent decision to rescind the Deferred Action for 
>>> Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program among the blind in the United States.
>>> The information collected will be used to:
>>>
>>> 1. Identify DREAMers who are blind in order to better understand the 
>>> impact on blind people and help inform the National Federation of 
>>> the Blind regarding ways the organization can best provide assistance.
>>> 2. Develop an aggregate summary of the blind people in the United 
>>> States who participate in the DACA program, which can be shared with 
>>> government officials, advocates, and other interested parties.
>>> 3. Develop statistical analyses on the unemployment rate among the 
>>> blind before and after the establishment of the DACA program.
>>> 4. Highlight general narratives of blind people living the lives 
>>> they want because of the DACA program.
>>> 5. Coordinate a community of blind DACA recipients in order to 
>>> maximize the resources available.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you or someone you know is blind and receives DACA benefits, 
>>> please complete the National Federation of the Blind DACA form at 
>>> the below links (available in Spanish and English), or share this 
>>> information with them. If you know of a DREAMer who does not have 
>>> internet access, we would appreciate your helping them complete the form.
>>>
>>> Spanish NFB DACA form: https://nfb.org/daca-es English NFB DACA form:
>>> https://nfb.org/daca
>>>
>>> Together with love, hope, and determination, the National Federation 
>>> of the Blind transforms dreams into reality. Through this effort we 
>>> seek to support the hopes and dreams of blind people seeking to be 
>>> fully contributing members of our nation.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark A. Riccobono, President
>>> 200 East Wells Street, Baltimore, MD 21230
>>> (410) 659-9314 | Officeofthepresident at nfb.org
>>> Twitter: @Riccobono
>>>
>>>
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>>> friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation's blind.
>>> Every day we work together to help blind people live the lives they 
>>> want.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 26 14:06:13 2017
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 10:06:13 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind Is
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I agree with you. As someone who comes from a family of immigrants I believe that this discussion is important

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> On Sep 26, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Sarah via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Joe, perhaps the diversity of experiences that people are having with immigration is why the discussion needs to be had. If you found it easy to navigate the process and Miso did not, what were the differences in your two experiences? Were they language-based? Were they differences that actually did have to do with blindness, e.g. technology you were able to obtain that she was not, tech that did not support her language at the time, etc? Yes, learning English should be a goal for anyone entering this country. I am a language professor... You might be surprised how many emails I field from people who are seeking ways to teach English effectively to refugees, specifically to teach English reading skills. For some people, learning English is not an easy process, especially if they come from a country where blindness is treated as a condition that means you are cared for instead of employable. The NFB really does need to consider what impact blindness has on immigration and refugees; and I think that it will not be the same impact for each individual who enters this country. We have the potential to be able to work collaboratively with other agencies or simply to wash our hands and say it isn't our business. But it is our business.
> 
> 
> Rev. Sarah Blake LaRose
> http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
> Accessible instruction in Biblical languages
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe Orozco via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 7:57 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Joe Orozco <jsoro620 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Interesting points. Let me offer a few rebuttals for the sake of discussion. I realize my opposition will not change anything, but hopefully the discussion is of some thoughtful value.
> 
> @ Ashley:
> 
> First, state rehabilitation services are not denied to persons with no legal immigration status. DACA did not magically open these services.
> 
> Second, language barriers can be a challenge to all persons, not just undocumented immigrants. Learning the English language ought to be a goal for everyone to achieve to be marketable in this employment industry.
> 
> Third, what government services would blind DREAMers not be able to procure if DACA truly expired? Somehow we have gotten it into our heads that before DACA, life was truly dismal for undocumented blind persons. Yes, it was challenging, but what do we suppose blind immigrants were doing before DACA was enacted under Obama? What do we assume blind persons over the age of 31 are doing now? If things have truly been that critical, why have we as a blind movement not acknowledged the epidemic sooner?
> 
> You wrote: "4. Dreamers may be denied other services their fellow dreamers can partake of."
> 
> Forgive me. I'm an idiot. What did you mean by this point?
> 
> @ Miso:
> 
> My point was not so much that disability and immigration are two different issues. My point is that with limited capital, with limited resources, why are we pursuing a narrow scope and highly controversial advocacy issue when there is already an array of social justice organizations taking up the cause?
> 
> To be clear, DACA is not what keeps a blind person from living the life they want. Their legal status is creating that prevention. DACA is, at best, a short-term cure for a long-term problem.
> 
> Should there be collaboration between disability rights and immigration groups? Sure, but that should be part of a general outreach strategy, not a specific initiative. By your logic, what we really ought to be doing to help blind undocumented people is provide assistance navigating the immigration process, and that isn't really a part of our core mission. It's not our expertise, and nor should it be. Our objective is more collective.
> 
> Could USCIS be more accommodating? I suppose that depends on your experience. I navigated the system more than a decade ago. I did so independently, without the need for legal counsel or immigration rights advocacy. I am by no means suggesting my experience should set the bar for everyone else's progress, but in terms of website accessibility and forms, I remember being quite surprised at how straightforward the application went. Regardless of my own experiences though, here is a place where the NFB could insert itself. Government resource accessibility ought to be equal for all, not because it affects a segment of society but because public resources from any agency are legally bound to be accessible.
> 
> Anyway, I don't want to belabor the point if I am a minority of one.
> The initiative feels a little random to me, a little too much like the eager kid pushing for a place at a table where we do not have strategic advantage. If we want to help DACA beneficiaries, the best way to go about it is by ensuring the equal compensation of all blind workers. We should ensure equal access to the classroom and workplace for all blind students, employees and job applicants. Our community is already too small for us to believe that blind DACA beneficiaries are somehow at a unique disadvantage.
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
>> On 9/24/17, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Thank you for asking.
>> For the sake of privacy, I will write without much personal details.
>> In my opinion, one issue is in navigating the process of receiving 
>> accommodations when people with disabilities must work with U.S.
>> Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS.) Working with USCIS could 
>> include applying for permanent residency, applying for citizenship, 
>> and a range of other services.
>> Based on my personal experience, USCIS staff are not super 
>> knowledgeable about how to execute accommodation for people with 
>> disabilities.
>> Immigrant rights organizations are not well-equipped with knowledge on 
>> requesting accommodations either based on my experience.
>> Similarly, most people in organizations like NFB are not knowledgeable 
>> about immigration related procedures, and are unable to help when 
>> their members seek help with immigration related matters.
>> 
>> In regards to why disability and immigration are not separate issues, 
>> many people come to U.S. for better medical care or simply better 
>> opportunity as people with disabilities. In other words, for some 
>> people, having a disability themselves or having a child with 
>> disability is primary reason why they forgo the comfort of their 
>> homeland and immigrate to the U.S. even when (in some cases) they risk 
>> being undocumented because U.S. offers better medical care and 
>> educational opportunities than their home country.
>> 
>> On another note, I would like to note that NFB is not the only 
>> disability rights advocacy organization that  is taking a stance on 
>> DACA repeal.
>> 
>> National Council on Independent Living expressed its stance on this
>> article:
>> http://www.advocacymonitor.com/ncil-condemns-the-decision-to-end-daca/
>> 
>> Miso
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 9/24/17, Sarah via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Miso, please explain more about your immigration process. (You may do 
>>> so privately if you wish.) This is something that I for one would 
>>> like to understand more about. How was this impacted by your 
>>> blindness and what do immigration organizations need to know? I think 
>>> that what you say here is extremely valuable, and while I agree thhat 
>>> educating other organizations will take a long time I also think it 
>>> is part of what we need to do. I work with other organizations that 
>>> support immigrant rights in various ways, and I would like to educate 
>>> them as much as possible.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rev. Sarah Blake LaRose
>>> http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
>>> Accessible instruction in Biblical languages
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso 
>>> Kwak via NABS-L
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 6:35 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Miso Kwak <misokwak12 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind 
>>> Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>> 
>>> Joe and others who may share his sentiments, I would like to preface 
>>> this email by saying that I am neither an expert, nor deeply involved 
>>> in NFB leadership.
>>> However, I am also a naturalized citizen, who self-identify as a 1.5 
>>> generation immigrant.
>>> 
>>> So, for those who argue that disability and immigration are two 
>>> completely separate issues, I am here as one of many living 
>>> counterexamples to that argument.
>>> 
>>> If NFB or any other organization for that matter claims to be a 
>>> consumer organization promoting the blind to live the lives they 
>>> want, I think it is the organization's responsibility to stand with 
>>> blind people who are affected by such major policy as DACA repeal. 
>>> Bluntly speaking, regardless of one's view on whether DACA should be 
>>> allowed or not, it is fact that with the repeal of DACA, blind people 
>>> who are DACA recepients cannot live the lives they want, figuratively 
>>> and literally.
>>> 
>>> My personal belief is that organizations serving the blind and 
>>> immigrant rights organizations must collaborate in order to meet the 
>>> needs of blind immigrants. Immigrant rights organization are not 
>>> often equipped well enough to understand and serve people with not 
>>> just blindness but any other disabilities. My personal experience of 
>>> going through the naturalization process is one evidence.
>>> Similarly, organizations that are solely dedicated to serving people 
>>> with disabilities are often poorly equipped with the ability and 
>>> sensitivity to serve immigrants (whether the immigration was legal or
>>> not)
>>> 
>>> I am afraid it may take too long to see collaboration between 
>>> disability focused organization and immigrant rights organization, 
>>> but I believe NFB's effort to learn more about the blind people 
>>> affected by the repeal of DACA is a necessary first step forward.
>>> 
>>> Miso Kwak
>>> 
>>>> On 9/24/17, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Joe,
>>>> 
>>>> I'll try to be nonpartisan here. The DACA is a major thing impacting 
>>>> all those immigrants in it.
>>>> I would guess it may impact blind  people more in the following ways:
>>>> 1. It may impact their ability to receive state vocational rehab 
>>>> services that we all get or can get.
>>>> 2. Unemployment among any immigrant population is hindered by  the 
>>>> language
>>>> 
>>>> barriers. I  have seen it firsthand.
>>>> While most people can go out and grab low wage jobs, blind people 
>>>> are excluded from these service sector jobs which require little 
>>>> language skills. Immigrants including dreamers partake in these jobs 
>>>> such as housekeeping staff at hotels, cleaning facilities in public 
>>>> areas such as our colleges and universities, painting houses, and of 
>>>> course lawn services.
>>>> Blind people who cannot fluently read and write english are more 
>>>> negatively
>>>> 
>>>> impacted. When an immigrant I know tried to take ESL classes at 
>>>> Northern virginia community college, it is my understanding he could 
>>>> not follow the class due to the visual nature of it such as pictures 
>>>> in workbooks. And, of
>>>> 
>>>> course Nova is terrible at accomodations and failed to help this 
>>>> student with special needs succeed.
>>>> 
>>>> 3. Blind Dreamers may also have a harder time securing other 
>>>> government services.
>>>> 4. Dreamers may be denied other services their fellow dreamers can 
>>>> partake of.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm glad NFB is taking this up.
>>>> 
>>>> Yes it is true we are vastly underemployed in general. It is true we 
>>>> have a
>>>> 
>>>> ways to go in that area for all Americans.
>>>> I think a huge hindrance to employment is accessibility of software.
>>>> I've seen it firsthand. I'm hoping NFB will make headway in advocacy 
>>>> for accessibility sooner than later.
>>>> 
>>>> Its also true that none of the NFB national resolutions spoke of 
>>>> this issue.
>>>> 
>>>> However, I believe the resolutions were written prior to Mr. Trump's 
>>>> decision.
>>>> 
>>>> Its something to ask the national office if you are still curious.
>>>> I'm a naturalized citizen too, and I definitely understand your 
>>>> concerns.
>>>> As a naturalized citizen, I want to be a first class citizen and 
>>>> earn my way
>>>> 
>>>> including participating in the workforce but so far many barriers 
>>>> have hindered me such as attitudes of employers and accessibility of 
>>>> third party
>>>> 
>>>> software.
>>>> However, Dreamers have unique needs and challenges which I, as a 
>>>> naturalized
>>>> 
>>>> citizen growing up here in American public schools, do not have.
>>>> 
>>>> Good questions.
>>>> I look forward to the outcome of such studies NFB conducts.
>>>> 
>>>> Ashley
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Joe via NABS-L
>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 7:06 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Cc: Joe
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind 
>>>> Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>>> 
>>>> Dear all,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> This post has been gnawing at me for over a week. Maybe someone can 
>>>> help me understand our rationale in getting involved in an issue 
>>>> that is clearly partisan.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> My understanding is that the NFB seeks to enable all blind 
>>>> individuals to live the life they want, irrespective of immigration 
>>>> status. No argument here. I appreciate the work we do to provide 
>>>> equal opportunities for everyone--regardless of their legal status, 
>>>> which ought not to be any of our business anyway, and regardless of 
>>>> their membership in our organization.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> But now we're talking about devoting already limited resources to 
>>>> better inform policymakers about the administration's decision to 
>>>> rescind the DACA program. I don't understand how this became a priority.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Why are we suddenly interested in providing assistance to 
>>>> beneficiaries of the DACA program? If we are doing our work 
>>>> correctly, then one could argue the affected blind beneficiaries are 
>>>> already being served.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Why would we collect statistical analyses on the unemployment rate 
>>>> of the blind before and after the DACA program when we barely have a 
>>>> handle on the unemployment rate among the majority of blind Americans?
>>>> If the general statistics are accurate, then the unemployment rate 
>>>> among the blind is somewhere in the neighborhood of 75%. I don't 
>>>> understand why our limited resources would not be devoted to solving 
>>>> for the employment needs of all blind Americans as opposed to the 
>>>> needs of the few. The fact we are largely excluded from the vast 
>>>> majority of minimum wage jobs accessible to the rest of the 
>>>> population should be of greater concern than the consequences of a 
>>>> program that was legally and constitutionally controversial to start.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The DACA program is not likely to result in mass deportations and 
>>>> other grim predictions forecasted by one side of the highly 
>>>> polarizing issue. The point is part of a larger debate on immigration reform.
>>>> Congress should enact legislation the way it should have done when 
>>>> the legislative measure was originally proposed under President Bush 
>>>> in 2007, and to be fair, a bipartisan effort is underway to provide 
>>>> at least a three-year reprieve to the affected community. Given the 
>>>> convoluted and hotly contested nature of the overarching dialogue on 
>>>> the matter, why would the NFB spend its limited political capital 
>>>> appearing to take sides on this issue?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Looking through this year's resolutions, I see no mention of 
>>>> devoting resources to beneficiaries of the DACA program. How do we 
>>>> go about deciding outreach efforts in situations where our mission 
>>>> was not directed by the objectives agreed to by our convention?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> To me, the step feels like an opportunistic means of snagging 
>>>> attention on an issue that is already steeped in controversy. We are 
>>>> already fighting an uphill battle on employment equality for those 
>>>> individuals working in sheltered environments. We already face 
>>>> educational and employment disparities among highly qualified blind 
>>>> permanent residents and citizens, born and naturalized.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> But, perhaps I am missing something. I'm willing to be educated. As 
>>>> a naturalized citizen, I understand the benefits of something like 
>>>> DACA to get ahead in this country. For that, there are other 
>>>> immigration rights consumer groups. We can trust them to take up the 
>>>> cry for fair treatment. We can trust them to help undocumented 
>>>> individuals find and keep a place in our society. I would like to 
>>>> think we place our trust in the NFB to make that society more accessible.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Joe
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: NFBNet-Members-List
>>>> [mailto:nfbnet-members-list-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of President, National Federation of the Blind via 
>>>> NFBNet-Members-List
>>>> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:07 AM
>>>> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of 
>>>> the Blind Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>>> Importance: High
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> National Federation of the Blind Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>>> 
>>>> As the principal vehicle for collective action for the blind in the 
>>>> United States, the National Federation of the Blind is committed to 
>>>> enabling all blind people, irrespective of immigration status, to 
>>>> live the lives we want.
>>>> To better inform our current and future advocacy and policy 
>>>> strategies, the National Federation of the Blind is collecting the 
>>>> following information to better understand the impact of the 
>>>> administration's recent decision to rescind the Deferred Action for 
>>>> Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program among the blind in the United States.
>>>> The information collected will be used to:
>>>> 
>>>> 1. Identify DREAMers who are blind in order to better understand the 
>>>> impact on blind people and help inform the National Federation of 
>>>> the Blind regarding ways the organization can best provide assistance.
>>>> 2. Develop an aggregate summary of the blind people in the United 
>>>> States who participate in the DACA program, which can be shared with 
>>>> government officials, advocates, and other interested parties.
>>>> 3. Develop statistical analyses on the unemployment rate among the 
>>>> blind before and after the establishment of the DACA program.
>>>> 4. Highlight general narratives of blind people living the lives 
>>>> they want because of the DACA program.
>>>> 5. Coordinate a community of blind DACA recipients in order to 
>>>> maximize the resources available.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> If you or someone you know is blind and receives DACA benefits, 
>>>> please complete the National Federation of the Blind DACA form at 
>>>> the below links (available in Spanish and English), or share this 
>>>> information with them. If you know of a DREAMer who does not have 
>>>> internet access, we would appreciate your helping them complete the form.
>>>> 
>>>> Spanish NFB DACA form: https://nfb.org/daca-es English NFB DACA form:
>>>> https://nfb.org/daca
>>>> 
>>>> Together with love, hope, and determination, the National Federation 
>>>> of the Blind transforms dreams into reality. Through this effort we 
>>>> seek to support the hopes and dreams of blind people seeking to be 
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From lizzym0827 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 26 14:09:03 2017
From: lizzym0827 at gmail.com (Lizzy)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 10:09:03 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Pennsylvania Student Seminar the first weekend of November
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Hey NABS!
Check this out:
The Pennsylvania Association of Blind Students is proud to 
announce our 2017 PABS seminar: LIVE!!! To be held at the 78th 
Pennsylvania State convention from Friday, November 3, through 
noon on Sunday, November 5, in State College, PA.  Join us for 
pizza, ice cream, good music, fun people, and real talks about 
whatever is on your mind.  Meet students and young professionals 
your own age and ask the questions about life that you can't ask 
your sighted parents, friends or siblings:

	"So uhh, I want to get a job to take someone out on a 
date...  How do I handle that as a blind/low-vision teen?"
	"How do I put on makeup independently?"
	"What is a training center anyway?"
	"Is the NFB everything I've heard? Or are those just old 
myths?"
	You'll never know until you come!
It'll be fun, informative and you're guaranteed to make new 
friends by the end of the weekend.  Come for our business meeting 
and pizza party on Friday night; Student breakfast on Saturday 
morning; and outing to the nearby creamery over the weekend.  
It's time to LIVE!!! (Lead an Independent, Vibrant Existence)


Logistics:
	Pennsylvania will graciously cover up to 50% of in-state 
student costs if you reach out to either student president 
Lizzy Muhammad (484) 624:9778 lizzym0827 at gmail.com or State 
president Jim Antonacci (215) 988:0888 ?pres at nfbp.org? 
before October 15th.  Rooms are going fast so don't wait!!!
Preregister here: http://nfbp.org/convention/reg/


	For complete information about the convention, including the 
hotel name, address, and phone number, plus many additional 
details, go to: http://nfbp.org/convention/
FYI: The preregistration prices are discounted until October 23, 
at which point they will rise.


From tyler at tysdomain.com  Tue Sep 26 14:17:47 2017
From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 10:17:47 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind Is
 Seeking to Support DREAMers
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I want to address some of Joe's points, because they're worth discussion
here.

While we do have a small scope and our work should apply to advocacy,
that does not mean that the NFB as an organization should be only
focused on blind people who are citizens; issues that affect blind
people within this country are our focus and should be. You say that
removal of DACA does not prevent those people from living the life they
want, but it most certanly does if that also revokes and puts into
question their legal status; as someone who was under DACA, they had the
chance for a future here that will not be provided them otherwise.

Also although you brush over it, learning English for everyone is not an
easy job, and depending on your resources is not always going to be the
first thing people do. Those classes cost money--and I'm sure that you
have a way for them to raise it, perhaps by picking up trash on the
street or something else just as unlikely, but the reality is that those
classes are costly. If you're blind and new to the country, you're also
going to potentially run into access barriers, which again is where the
NFB can help.

Finally and perhaps most importantly is your claim that filling out
these forms is straight-forward and accessible. I know many people who
have immigrated to the country, many of whom are sighted and speak
fairly good English and filling out these forms was certainly not a
cakewalk for them. If you want to add to that mix the fact that someone
who is blind from another country may not be exposed to screen-reading
software or have access to a system with a screen reader built in, or
may have been provided paper forms, or any of the above with the
combined note that they haven't taken the dive to become "more
employable" in your mind and learned English, this process is going to
be much more complex.

These issues affect people in different ways, and stating that people
should do x for y to occur without looking at the underlying issues and
understanding that there may be barriers that prevent that is going to
cause problems. This is not a solution in black and white where there
exists only one way out.
On 9/26/2017 9:57 AM, Sarah via NABS-L wrote:
> Joe, perhaps the diversity of experiences that people are having with immigration is why the discussion needs to be had. If you found it easy to navigate the process and Miso did not, what were the differences in your two experiences? Were they language-based? Were they differences that actually did have to do with blindness, e.g. technology you were able to obtain that she was not, tech that did not support her language at the time, etc? Yes, learning English should be a goal for anyone entering this country. I am a language professor... You might be surprised how many emails I field from people who are seeking ways to teach English effectively to refugees, specifically to teach English reading skills. For some people, learning English is not an easy process, especially if they come from a country where blindness is treated as a condition that means you are cared for instead of employable. The NFB really does need to consider what impact blindness has on immigration and refugees; and I think that it will not be the same impact for each individual who enters this country. We have the potential to be able to work collaboratively with other agencies or simply to wash our hands and say it isn't our business. But it is our business.
>
>
> Rev. Sarah Blake LaRose
> http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
> Accessible instruction in Biblical languages
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe Orozco via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 7:57 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Joe Orozco <jsoro620 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>
> Hello,
>
> Interesting points. Let me offer a few rebuttals for the sake of discussion. I realize my opposition will not change anything, but hopefully the discussion is of some thoughtful value.
>
> @ Ashley:
>
> First, state rehabilitation services are not denied to persons with no legal immigration status. DACA did not magically open these services.
>
> Second, language barriers can be a challenge to all persons, not just undocumented immigrants. Learning the English language ought to be a goal for everyone to achieve to be marketable in this employment industry.
>
> Third, what government services would blind DREAMers not be able to procure if DACA truly expired? Somehow we have gotten it into our heads that before DACA, life was truly dismal for undocumented blind persons. Yes, it was challenging, but what do we suppose blind immigrants were doing before DACA was enacted under Obama? What do we assume blind persons over the age of 31 are doing now? If things have truly been that critical, why have we as a blind movement not acknowledged the epidemic sooner?
>
> You wrote: "4. Dreamers may be denied other services their fellow dreamers can partake of."
>
> Forgive me. I'm an idiot. What did you mean by this point?
>
> @ Miso:
>
> My point was not so much that disability and immigration are two different issues. My point is that with limited capital, with limited resources, why are we pursuing a narrow scope and highly controversial advocacy issue when there is already an array of social justice organizations taking up the cause?
>
> To be clear, DACA is not what keeps a blind person from living the life they want. Their legal status is creating that prevention. DACA is, at best, a short-term cure for a long-term problem.
>
> Should there be collaboration between disability rights and immigration groups? Sure, but that should be part of a general outreach strategy, not a specific initiative. By your logic, what we really ought to be doing to help blind undocumented people is provide assistance navigating the immigration process, and that isn't really a part of our core mission. It's not our expertise, and nor should it be. Our objective is more collective.
>
> Could USCIS be more accommodating? I suppose that depends on your experience. I navigated the system more than a decade ago. I did so independently, without the need for legal counsel or immigration rights advocacy. I am by no means suggesting my experience should set the bar for everyone else's progress, but in terms of website accessibility and forms, I remember being quite surprised at how straightforward the application went. Regardless of my own experiences though, here is a place where the NFB could insert itself. Government resource accessibility ought to be equal for all, not because it affects a segment of society but because public resources from any agency are legally bound to be accessible.
>
> Anyway, I don't want to belabor the point if I am a minority of one.
> The initiative feels a little random to me, a little too much like the eager kid pushing for a place at a table where we do not have strategic advantage. If we want to help DACA beneficiaries, the best way to go about it is by ensuring the equal compensation of all blind workers. We should ensure equal access to the classroom and workplace for all blind students, employees and job applicants. Our community is already too small for us to believe that blind DACA beneficiaries are somehow at a unique disadvantage.
>
> Joe
>
>
> On 9/24/17, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Thank you for asking.
>> For the sake of privacy, I will write without much personal details.
>> In my opinion, one issue is in navigating the process of receiving 
>> accommodations when people with disabilities must work with U.S.
>> Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS.) Working with USCIS could 
>> include applying for permanent residency, applying for citizenship, 
>> and a range of other services.
>> Based on my personal experience, USCIS staff are not super 
>> knowledgeable about how to execute accommodation for people with 
>> disabilities.
>> Immigrant rights organizations are not well-equipped with knowledge on 
>> requesting accommodations either based on my experience.
>> Similarly, most people in organizations like NFB are not knowledgeable 
>> about immigration related procedures, and are unable to help when 
>> their members seek help with immigration related matters.
>>
>> In regards to why disability and immigration are not separate issues, 
>> many people come to U.S. for better medical care or simply better 
>> opportunity as people with disabilities. In other words, for some 
>> people, having a disability themselves or having a child with 
>> disability is primary reason why they forgo the comfort of their 
>> homeland and immigrate to the U.S. even when (in some cases) they risk 
>> being undocumented because U.S. offers better medical care and 
>> educational opportunities than their home country.
>>
>> On another note, I would like to note that NFB is not the only 
>> disability rights advocacy organization that  is taking a stance on 
>> DACA repeal.
>>
>> National Council on Independent Living expressed its stance on this
>> article:
>> http://www.advocacymonitor.com/ncil-condemns-the-decision-to-end-daca/
>>
>> Miso
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/24/17, Sarah via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Miso, please explain more about your immigration process. (You may do 
>>> so privately if you wish.) This is something that I for one would 
>>> like to understand more about. How was this impacted by your 
>>> blindness and what do immigration organizations need to know? I think 
>>> that what you say here is extremely valuable, and while I agree thhat 
>>> educating other organizations will take a long time I also think it 
>>> is part of what we need to do. I work with other organizations that 
>>> support immigrant rights in various ways, and I would like to educate 
>>> them as much as possible.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rev. Sarah Blake LaRose
>>> http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
>>> Accessible instruction in Biblical languages
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso 
>>> Kwak via NABS-L
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 6:35 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Miso Kwak <misokwak12 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind 
>>> Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>>
>>> Joe and others who may share his sentiments, I would like to preface 
>>> this email by saying that I am neither an expert, nor deeply involved 
>>> in NFB leadership.
>>> However, I am also a naturalized citizen, who self-identify as a 1.5 
>>> generation immigrant.
>>>
>>> So, for those who argue that disability and immigration are two 
>>> completely separate issues, I am here as one of many living 
>>> counterexamples to that argument.
>>>
>>> If NFB or any other organization for that matter claims to be a 
>>> consumer organization promoting the blind to live the lives they 
>>> want, I think it is the organization's responsibility to stand with 
>>> blind people who are affected by such major policy as DACA repeal. 
>>> Bluntly speaking, regardless of one's view on whether DACA should be 
>>> allowed or not, it is fact that with the repeal of DACA, blind people 
>>> who are DACA recepients cannot live the lives they want, figuratively 
>>> and literally.
>>>
>>> My personal belief is that organizations serving the blind and 
>>> immigrant rights organizations must collaborate in order to meet the 
>>> needs of blind immigrants. Immigrant rights organization are not 
>>> often equipped well enough to understand and serve people with not 
>>> just blindness but any other disabilities. My personal experience of 
>>> going through the naturalization process is one evidence.
>>> Similarly, organizations that are solely dedicated to serving people 
>>> with disabilities are often poorly equipped with the ability and 
>>> sensitivity to serve immigrants (whether the immigration was legal or
>>> not)
>>>
>>> I am afraid it may take too long to see collaboration between 
>>> disability focused organization and immigrant rights organization, 
>>> but I believe NFB's effort to learn more about the blind people 
>>> affected by the repeal of DACA is a necessary first step forward.
>>>
>>> Miso Kwak
>>>
>>> On 9/24/17, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Joe,
>>>>
>>>> I'll try to be nonpartisan here. The DACA is a major thing impacting 
>>>> all those immigrants in it.
>>>> I would guess it may impact blind  people more in the following ways:
>>>> 1. It may impact their ability to receive state vocational rehab 
>>>> services that we all get or can get.
>>>> 2. Unemployment among any immigrant population is hindered by  the 
>>>> language
>>>>
>>>> barriers. I  have seen it firsthand.
>>>> While most people can go out and grab low wage jobs, blind people 
>>>> are excluded from these service sector jobs which require little 
>>>> language skills. Immigrants including dreamers partake in these jobs 
>>>> such as housekeeping staff at hotels, cleaning facilities in public 
>>>> areas such as our colleges and universities, painting houses, and of 
>>>> course lawn services.
>>>> Blind people who cannot fluently read and write english are more 
>>>> negatively
>>>>
>>>> impacted. When an immigrant I know tried to take ESL classes at 
>>>> Northern virginia community college, it is my understanding he could 
>>>> not follow the class due to the visual nature of it such as pictures 
>>>> in workbooks. And, of
>>>>
>>>> course Nova is terrible at accomodations and failed to help this 
>>>> student with special needs succeed.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Blind Dreamers may also have a harder time securing other 
>>>> government services.
>>>> 4. Dreamers may be denied other services their fellow dreamers can 
>>>> partake of.
>>>>
>>>> I'm glad NFB is taking this up.
>>>>
>>>> Yes it is true we are vastly underemployed in general. It is true we 
>>>> have a
>>>>
>>>> ways to go in that area for all Americans.
>>>> I think a huge hindrance to employment is accessibility of software.
>>>> I've seen it firsthand. I'm hoping NFB will make headway in advocacy 
>>>> for accessibility sooner than later.
>>>>
>>>> Its also true that none of the NFB national resolutions spoke of 
>>>> this issue.
>>>>
>>>> However, I believe the resolutions were written prior to Mr. Trump's 
>>>> decision.
>>>>
>>>> Its something to ask the national office if you are still curious.
>>>> I'm a naturalized citizen too, and I definitely understand your 
>>>> concerns.
>>>> As a naturalized citizen, I want to be a first class citizen and 
>>>> earn my way
>>>>
>>>> including participating in the workforce but so far many barriers 
>>>> have hindered me such as attitudes of employers and accessibility of 
>>>> third party
>>>>
>>>> software.
>>>> However, Dreamers have unique needs and challenges which I, as a 
>>>> naturalized
>>>>
>>>> citizen growing up here in American public schools, do not have.
>>>>
>>>> Good questions.
>>>> I look forward to the outcome of such studies NFB conducts.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Joe via NABS-L
>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 7:06 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Cc: Joe
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind 
>>>> Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This post has been gnawing at me for over a week. Maybe someone can 
>>>> help me understand our rationale in getting involved in an issue 
>>>> that is clearly partisan.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My understanding is that the NFB seeks to enable all blind 
>>>> individuals to live the life they want, irrespective of immigration 
>>>> status. No argument here. I appreciate the work we do to provide 
>>>> equal opportunities for everyone--regardless of their legal status, 
>>>> which ought not to be any of our business anyway, and regardless of 
>>>> their membership in our organization.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But now we're talking about devoting already limited resources to 
>>>> better inform policymakers about the administration's decision to 
>>>> rescind the DACA program. I don't understand how this became a priority.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why are we suddenly interested in providing assistance to 
>>>> beneficiaries of the DACA program? If we are doing our work 
>>>> correctly, then one could argue the affected blind beneficiaries are 
>>>> already being served.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why would we collect statistical analyses on the unemployment rate 
>>>> of the blind before and after the DACA program when we barely have a 
>>>> handle on the unemployment rate among the majority of blind Americans?
>>>> If the general statistics are accurate, then the unemployment rate 
>>>> among the blind is somewhere in the neighborhood of 75%. I don't 
>>>> understand why our limited resources would not be devoted to solving 
>>>> for the employment needs of all blind Americans as opposed to the 
>>>> needs of the few. The fact we are largely excluded from the vast 
>>>> majority of minimum wage jobs accessible to the rest of the 
>>>> population should be of greater concern than the consequences of a 
>>>> program that was legally and constitutionally controversial to start.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The DACA program is not likely to result in mass deportations and 
>>>> other grim predictions forecasted by one side of the highly 
>>>> polarizing issue. The point is part of a larger debate on immigration reform.
>>>> Congress should enact legislation the way it should have done when 
>>>> the legislative measure was originally proposed under President Bush 
>>>> in 2007, and to be fair, a bipartisan effort is underway to provide 
>>>> at least a three-year reprieve to the affected community. Given the 
>>>> convoluted and hotly contested nature of the overarching dialogue on 
>>>> the matter, why would the NFB spend its limited political capital 
>>>> appearing to take sides on this issue?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Looking through this year's resolutions, I see no mention of 
>>>> devoting resources to beneficiaries of the DACA program. How do we 
>>>> go about deciding outreach efforts in situations where our mission 
>>>> was not directed by the objectives agreed to by our convention?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To me, the step feels like an opportunistic means of snagging 
>>>> attention on an issue that is already steeped in controversy. We are 
>>>> already fighting an uphill battle on employment equality for those 
>>>> individuals working in sheltered environments. We already face 
>>>> educational and employment disparities among highly qualified blind 
>>>> permanent residents and citizens, born and naturalized.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But, perhaps I am missing something. I'm willing to be educated. As 
>>>> a naturalized citizen, I understand the benefits of something like 
>>>> DACA to get ahead in this country. For that, there are other 
>>>> immigration rights consumer groups. We can trust them to take up the 
>>>> cry for fair treatment. We can trust them to help undocumented 
>>>> individuals find and keep a place in our society. I would like to 
>>>> think we place our trust in the NFB to make that society more accessible.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: NFBNet-Members-List
>>>> [mailto:nfbnet-members-list-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of President, National Federation of the Blind via 
>>>> NFBNet-Members-List
>>>> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:07 AM
>>>> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of 
>>>> the Blind Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>>> Importance: High
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> National Federation of the Blind Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>>>
>>>> As the principal vehicle for collective action for the blind in the 
>>>> United States, the National Federation of the Blind is committed to 
>>>> enabling all blind people, irrespective of immigration status, to 
>>>> live the lives we want.
>>>> To better inform our current and future advocacy and policy 
>>>> strategies, the National Federation of the Blind is collecting the 
>>>> following information to better understand the impact of the 
>>>> administration's recent decision to rescind the Deferred Action for 
>>>> Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program among the blind in the United States.
>>>> The information collected will be used to:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Identify DREAMers who are blind in order to better understand the 
>>>> impact on blind people and help inform the National Federation of 
>>>> the Blind regarding ways the organization can best provide assistance.
>>>> 2. Develop an aggregate summary of the blind people in the United 
>>>> States who participate in the DACA program, which can be shared with 
>>>> government officials, advocates, and other interested parties.
>>>> 3. Develop statistical analyses on the unemployment rate among the 
>>>> blind before and after the establishment of the DACA program.
>>>> 4. Highlight general narratives of blind people living the lives 
>>>> they want because of the DACA program.
>>>> 5. Coordinate a community of blind DACA recipients in order to 
>>>> maximize the resources available.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you or someone you know is blind and receives DACA benefits, 
>>>> please complete the National Federation of the Blind DACA form at 
>>>> the below links (available in Spanish and English), or share this 
>>>> information with them. If you know of a DREAMer who does not have 
>>>> internet access, we would appreciate your helping them complete the form.
>>>>
>>>> Spanish NFB DACA form: https://nfb.org/daca-es English NFB DACA form:
>>>> https://nfb.org/daca
>>>>
>>>> Together with love, hope, and determination, the National Federation 
>>>> of the Blind transforms dreams into reality. Through this effort we 
>>>> seek to support the hopes and dreams of blind people seeking to be 
>>>> fully contributing members of our nation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mark A. Riccobono, President
>>>> 200 East Wells Street, Baltimore, MD 21230
>>>> (410) 659-9314 | Officeofthepresident at nfb.org
>>>> Twitter: @Riccobono
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> the Blind
>>>>
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 26 15:00:19 2017
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 11:00:19 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Getting a Request Denied by Voc Rehab
Message-ID: <59ca6b96.c9adca0a.11ccb.5297@mx.google.com>

Dear Students,

I hope your Fall 2017 semester is off to a great start.  As many 
of you may know, I am thinking about upgrading from the 
BrailleNote Apex to the BrailleNote Touch.  Last week I contacted 
my Division of Blind Services counselor and gave her a detailed 
explanation about the features of the BrailleNote Touch, and how 
I would use it on the job.  I also stated that I would use it for 
leisure tasks such as browsing the web, sending and receiving 
emails, listening to music, scheduling appointments, and reading 
books using the Bard Mobile app which I successfully downloaded 
from the Apple app store last week.  I already downloaded my 
first book from Bard on my IPad.  This morning I received an 
email from Dbs stating that my request to upgrade to the 
BrailleNote Touch was denied because I do not have a job.  Have 
any of you had requests denied by your vocational rehabilitation 
agencies? Hope to hear from you soon.

Roanna Bacchus


From santiago.blue.hernandez at gmail.com  Tue Sep 26 15:06:15 2017
From: santiago.blue.hernandez at gmail.com (Santiago)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 08:06:15 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Getting a Request Denied by Voc Rehab
In-Reply-To: <59ca6b96.c9adca0a.11ccb.5297@mx.google.com>
References: <59ca6b96.c9adca0a.11ccb.5297@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <FD209A99-4000-4099-93ED-809DC19F6585@gmail.com>

Hello, 
I haven't been denied any requests from the department of rehab here in California. I currently have a BrailleSense U2, but I am considering trying to ask them if I can be upgraded to the new BrailleSense Polaris. I mainly use my computer at school though, so having a more compact stand-alone braille display to use with it would be more useful for me. 



Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 26, 2017, at 8:00 AM, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Students,
> 
> I hope your Fall 2017 semester is off to a great start.  As many of you may know, I am thinking about upgrading from the BrailleNote Apex to the BrailleNote Touch.  Last week I contacted my Division of Blind Services counselor and gave her a detailed explanation about the features of the BrailleNote Touch, and how I would use it on the job.  I also stated that I would use it for leisure tasks such as browsing the web, sending and receiving emails, listening to music, scheduling appointments, and reading books using the Bard Mobile app which I successfully downloaded from the Apple app store last week.  I already downloaded my first book from Bard on my IPad.  This morning I received an email from Dbs stating that my request to upgrade to the BrailleNote Touch was denied because I do not have a job.  Have any of you had requests denied by your vocational rehabilitation agencies? Hope to hear from you soon.
> 
> Roanna Bacchus
> 
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 26 15:24:31 2017
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 11:24:31 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Getting a Request Denied by Voc Rehab
In-Reply-To: <FD209A99-4000-4099-93ED-809DC19F6585@gmail.com>
References: <59ca6b96.c9adca0a.11ccb.5297@mx.google.com>
	<FD209A99-4000-4099-93ED-809DC19F6585@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EDB60632-D2F5-46A5-B29C-5FCA55D9F90E@gmail.com>

Good for you

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 26, 2017, at 11:06 AM, Santiago via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello, 
> I haven't been denied any requests from the department of rehab here in California. I currently have a BrailleSense U2, but I am considering trying to ask them if I can be upgraded to the new BrailleSense Polaris. I mainly use my computer at school though, so having a more compact stand-alone braille display to use with it would be more useful for me. 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 26, 2017, at 8:00 AM, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Students,
>> 
>> I hope your Fall 2017 semester is off to a great start.  As many of you may know, I am thinking about upgrading from the BrailleNote Apex to the BrailleNote Touch.  Last week I contacted my Division of Blind Services counselor and gave her a detailed explanation about the features of the BrailleNote Touch, and how I would use it on the job.  I also stated that I would use it for leisure tasks such as browsing the web, sending and receiving emails, listening to music, scheduling appointments, and reading books using the Bard Mobile app which I successfully downloaded from the Apple app store last week.  I already downloaded my first book from Bard on my IPad.  This morning I received an email from Dbs stating that my request to upgrade to the BrailleNote Touch was denied because I do not have a job.  Have any of you had requests denied by your vocational rehabilitation agencies? Hope to hear from you soon.
>> 
>> Roanna Bacchus
>> 
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From keribcu at gmail.com  Tue Sep 26 15:34:01 2017
From: keribcu at gmail.com (Keri Svendsen)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 11:34:01 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Getting a Request Denied by Voc Rehab
In-Reply-To: <59ca6b96.c9adca0a.11ccb.5297@mx.google.com>
References: <59ca6b96.c9adca0a.11ccb.5297@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <dbc1a8db-5ab9-2243-7ad7-2544c7586054@gmail.com>

If you aren't in school or working, then they indeed won't purchase you 
new tech.


On 9/26/2017 11:00 AM, roanna bacchus via NABS-L wrote:
> Dear Students,
>
> I hope your Fall 2017 semester is off to a great start.  As many of 
> you may know, I am thinking about upgrading from the BrailleNote Apex 
> to the BrailleNote Touch.  Last week I contacted my Division of Blind 
> Services counselor and gave her a detailed explanation about the 
> features of the BrailleNote Touch, and how I would use it on the job.  
> I also stated that I would use it for leisure tasks such as browsing 
> the web, sending and receiving emails, listening to music, scheduling 
> appointments, and reading books using the Bard Mobile app which I 
> successfully downloaded from the Apple app store last week.  I already 
> downloaded my first book from Bard on my IPad.  This morning I 
> received an email from Dbs stating that my request to upgrade to the 
> BrailleNote Touch was denied because I do not have a job.  Have any of 
> you had requests denied by your vocational rehabilitation agencies? 
> Hope to hear from you soon.
>
> Roanna Bacchus
>
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From emitchell927 at icloud.com  Tue Sep 26 15:37:57 2017
From: emitchell927 at icloud.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 11:37:57 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Getting a Request Denied by Voc Rehab
In-Reply-To: <FD209A99-4000-4099-93ED-809DC19F6585@gmail.com>
References: <59ca6b96.c9adca0a.11ccb.5297@mx.google.com>
	<FD209A99-4000-4099-93ED-809DC19F6585@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CD0B93A-B9BF-43A7-B33A-AE1FE9DD7FE4@icloud.com>

Yes I got a Braille writter denied last October 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 26, 2017, at 11:06 AM, Santiago via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello, 
> I haven't been denied any requests from the department of rehab here in California. I currently have a BrailleSense U2, but I am considering trying to ask them if I can be upgraded to the new BrailleSense Polaris. I mainly use my computer at school though, so having a more compact stand-alone braille display to use with it would be more useful for me. 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 26, 2017, at 8:00 AM, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Students,
>> 
>> I hope your Fall 2017 semester is off to a great start.  As many of you may know, I am thinking about upgrading from the BrailleNote Apex to the BrailleNote Touch.  Last week I contacted my Division of Blind Services counselor and gave her a detailed explanation about the features of the BrailleNote Touch, and how I would use it on the job.  I also stated that I would use it for leisure tasks such as browsing the web, sending and receiving emails, listening to music, scheduling appointments, and reading books using the Bard Mobile app which I successfully downloaded from the Apple app store last week.  I already downloaded my first book from Bard on my IPad.  This morning I received an email from Dbs stating that my request to upgrade to the BrailleNote Touch was denied because I do not have a job.  Have any of you had requests denied by your vocational rehabilitation agencies? Hope to hear from you soon.
>> 
>> Roanna Bacchus
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 26 18:01:59 2017
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 14:01:59 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind Is
 Seeking to Support DREAMers
In-Reply-To: <95750f18-479c-f9ef-a925-ece2ffd8835a@tysdomain.com>
References: <028e01d334c0$a1311530$e3933f90$@gmail.com>
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	<CAMe9x_F5Z09mSo_BSK2nRiiviEJa2pqFsD_nd0wii0zvj2k0mA@mail.gmail.com>
	<000601d3358a$e1d4e060$a57ea120$@sarahblakelarose.com>
	<CAMe9x_G+eXM3O6+NM5OZbaRTzEc0jv=tUpOewkQDnfu=++rHCQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMEPVZ4wE3x4JvbSYUY-f_RcYU30px7sgQqmcH2SoddwO8VTdw@mail.gmail.com>
	<006e01d336cf$55523f20$fff6bd60$@sarahblakelarose.com>
	<95750f18-479c-f9ef-a925-ece2ffd8835a@tysdomain.com>
Message-ID: <CAMEPVZ7-zqPZd2gV8UCaNiyKgpDaNRtVbKDSVSVyPu2JDkqejw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

@ Sarah:

Forgive me. My intent was not to advance this idea that the NFB should
wash its hands of the immigration problem altogether. As I previously
wrote, if there are deficiencies in the bureaucratic application
process owed to equal access, the NFB should absolutely get involved
and eliminate those challenges. As to the issue of language
proficiency, I would argue that is a problem that transcends the DACA
debate. I agree learning English can be challenging, but that problem
is not unique to DACA beneficiaries. The issue ought to be explored
through a neutral lens that takes into account the difficulties in
learning English itself and not through the polarizing view that DACA
represents. While I can absolutely appreciate that the blindness
community is as diverse as its broader counterpart, at some point it
is worth asking ourselves if we are advocating for the blind
individual or the blind individual who is also undocumented. It's that
secondary step that could inhibit our ability to be effective at the
first goal, and if we are not effective at meeting the basic needs of
the blind individual, we are certainly not going to be great at
meeting the unique needs of so many other segments of society that are
independent of blindness.

@ Roanna:

No argument here. The discussion is important. Understanding the issue
is important. Devoting resources to it? That's where I'm getting
stuck. We do not have infinite staff, time, and money. If we could
succeed at cracking the unemployment problem for all blind people, we
might actually make it possible for DACA beneficiaries to enjoy a
better life after they graduate college. Why is it that in 2017, a
blind person's employment choices are either professional white collar
or blind-friendly? There are broad segments of the employment sector
we have not successfully penetrated despite advances in technology and
NFB training. Maybe that is the piece of this initiative that is
inhibiting my own ability to take a long view on this item. We want to
analyze employment challenges for DACA beneficiaries when we barely
understand the employment challenges for the rest of the community?

@ Tyler:

I never said our work should only concentrate on blind citizens. My
position has always been to advocate for everyone, regardless of DACA
eligibility.

DACA did not inhibit a blind person's ability to make a living in the
United States. An increasing number of states and local municipalities
were already offering benefits to undocumented persons before DACA was
ever enacted. Again I ask, what do you think the thousands of
undocumented people were doing before 2012?

No, I've already admitted learning English is not easy, but nor is it
unique to DACA beneficiaries.

I'm going to assume your example of picking up trash on the side of
the street to earn money to pay for language courses was sarcasm. If I
were a liberal, I would pounce on that point to ask what the harm is
in trash collection as a profession? As a conservative, I would
applaud the opportunity for blind people to be able to equally
participate in that line of work as a means to get off government
assistance and improve their lot in life.

Will learning the language be costly? Yes, but, well, it's going to be
costly for everyone. Should we extend unique advantages to someone
just because they are undocumented?

Again, no argument on the accessibility to the paperwork. If that is
an issue, we should help. I'm not sure to whom that responsibility
would fall. Local chapters? A division? Our legal counsel? I'm sure
that could be sorted out.

To a certain extent, we can agree this is not a black and white issue.
For me though, the gray has everything to do with new arrivals in the
country, and even challenges with learning the language, and little to
do with the controversial policy issued by a former president
interested in bypassing Congress.

Respectfully,

Joe


On 9/26/17, Littlefield, Tyler via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I want to address some of Joe's points, because they're worth discussion
> here.
>
> While we do have a small scope and our work should apply to advocacy,
> that does not mean that the NFB as an organization should be only
> focused on blind people who are citizens; issues that affect blind
> people within this country are our focus and should be. You say that
> removal of DACA does not prevent those people from living the life they
> want, but it most certanly does if that also revokes and puts into
> question their legal status; as someone who was under DACA, they had the
> chance for a future here that will not be provided them otherwise.
>
> Also although you brush over it, learning English for everyone is not an
> easy job, and depending on your resources is not always going to be the
> first thing people do. Those classes cost money--and I'm sure that you
> have a way for them to raise it, perhaps by picking up trash on the
> street or something else just as unlikely, but the reality is that those
> classes are costly. If you're blind and new to the country, you're also
> going to potentially run into access barriers, which again is where the
> NFB can help.
>
> Finally and perhaps most importantly is your claim that filling out
> these forms is straight-forward and accessible. I know many people who
> have immigrated to the country, many of whom are sighted and speak
> fairly good English and filling out these forms was certainly not a
> cakewalk for them. If you want to add to that mix the fact that someone
> who is blind from another country may not be exposed to screen-reading
> software or have access to a system with a screen reader built in, or
> may have been provided paper forms, or any of the above with the
> combined note that they haven't taken the dive to become "more
> employable" in your mind and learned English, this process is going to
> be much more complex.
>
> These issues affect people in different ways, and stating that people
> should do x for y to occur without looking at the underlying issues and
> understanding that there may be barriers that prevent that is going to
> cause problems. This is not a solution in black and white where there
> exists only one way out.
> On 9/26/2017 9:57 AM, Sarah via NABS-L wrote:
>> Joe, perhaps the diversity of experiences that people are having with
>> immigration is why the discussion needs to be had. If you found it easy to
>> navigate the process and Miso did not, what were the differences in your
>> two experiences? Were they language-based? Were they differences that
>> actually did have to do with blindness, e.g. technology you were able to
>> obtain that she was not, tech that did not support her language at the
>> time, etc? Yes, learning English should be a goal for anyone entering this
>> country. I am a language professor... You might be surprised how many
>> emails I field from people who are seeking ways to teach English
>> effectively to refugees, specifically to teach English reading skills. For
>> some people, learning English is not an easy process, especially if they
>> come from a country where blindness is treated as a condition that means
>> you are cared for instead of employable. The NFB really does need to
>> consider what impact blindness has on immigration and refugees; and I
>> think that it will not be the same impact for each individual who enters
>> this country. We have the potential to be able to work collaboratively
>> with other agencies or simply to wash our hands and say it isn't our
>> business. But it is our business.
>>
>>
>> Rev. Sarah Blake LaRose
>> http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
>> Accessible instruction in Biblical languages
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe Orozco
>> via NABS-L
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 7:57 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Joe Orozco <jsoro620 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind Is
>> Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Interesting points. Let me offer a few rebuttals for the sake of
>> discussion. I realize my opposition will not change anything, but
>> hopefully the discussion is of some thoughtful value.
>>
>> @ Ashley:
>>
>> First, state rehabilitation services are not denied to persons with no
>> legal immigration status. DACA did not magically open these services.
>>
>> Second, language barriers can be a challenge to all persons, not just
>> undocumented immigrants. Learning the English language ought to be a goal
>> for everyone to achieve to be marketable in this employment industry.
>>
>> Third, what government services would blind DREAMers not be able to
>> procure if DACA truly expired? Somehow we have gotten it into our heads
>> that before DACA, life was truly dismal for undocumented blind persons.
>> Yes, it was challenging, but what do we suppose blind immigrants were
>> doing before DACA was enacted under Obama? What do we assume blind persons
>> over the age of 31 are doing now? If things have truly been that critical,
>> why have we as a blind movement not acknowledged the epidemic sooner?
>>
>> You wrote: "4. Dreamers may be denied other services their fellow dreamers
>> can partake of."
>>
>> Forgive me. I'm an idiot. What did you mean by this point?
>>
>> @ Miso:
>>
>> My point was not so much that disability and immigration are two different
>> issues. My point is that with limited capital, with limited resources, why
>> are we pursuing a narrow scope and highly controversial advocacy issue
>> when there is already an array of social justice organizations taking up
>> the cause?
>>
>> To be clear, DACA is not what keeps a blind person from living the life
>> they want. Their legal status is creating that prevention. DACA is, at
>> best, a short-term cure for a long-term problem.
>>
>> Should there be collaboration between disability rights and immigration
>> groups? Sure, but that should be part of a general outreach strategy, not
>> a specific initiative. By your logic, what we really ought to be doing to
>> help blind undocumented people is provide assistance navigating the
>> immigration process, and that isn't really a part of our core mission.
>> It's not our expertise, and nor should it be. Our objective is more
>> collective.
>>
>> Could USCIS be more accommodating? I suppose that depends on your
>> experience. I navigated the system more than a decade ago. I did so
>> independently, without the need for legal counsel or immigration rights
>> advocacy. I am by no means suggesting my experience should set the bar for
>> everyone else's progress, but in terms of website accessibility and forms,
>> I remember being quite surprised at how straightforward the application
>> went. Regardless of my own experiences though, here is a place where the
>> NFB could insert itself. Government resource accessibility ought to be
>> equal for all, not because it affects a segment of society but because
>> public resources from any agency are legally bound to be accessible.
>>
>> Anyway, I don't want to belabor the point if I am a minority of one.
>> The initiative feels a little random to me, a little too much like the
>> eager kid pushing for a place at a table where we do not have strategic
>> advantage. If we want to help DACA beneficiaries, the best way to go about
>> it is by ensuring the equal compensation of all blind workers. We should
>> ensure equal access to the classroom and workplace for all blind students,
>> employees and job applicants. Our community is already too small for us to
>> believe that blind DACA beneficiaries are somehow at a unique
>> disadvantage.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>> On 9/24/17, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Thank you for asking.
>>> For the sake of privacy, I will write without much personal details.
>>> In my opinion, one issue is in navigating the process of receiving
>>> accommodations when people with disabilities must work with U.S.
>>> Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS.) Working with USCIS could
>>> include applying for permanent residency, applying for citizenship,
>>> and a range of other services.
>>> Based on my personal experience, USCIS staff are not super
>>> knowledgeable about how to execute accommodation for people with
>>> disabilities.
>>> Immigrant rights organizations are not well-equipped with knowledge on
>>> requesting accommodations either based on my experience.
>>> Similarly, most people in organizations like NFB are not knowledgeable
>>> about immigration related procedures, and are unable to help when
>>> their members seek help with immigration related matters.
>>>
>>> In regards to why disability and immigration are not separate issues,
>>> many people come to U.S. for better medical care or simply better
>>> opportunity as people with disabilities. In other words, for some
>>> people, having a disability themselves or having a child with
>>> disability is primary reason why they forgo the comfort of their
>>> homeland and immigrate to the U.S. even when (in some cases) they risk
>>> being undocumented because U.S. offers better medical care and
>>> educational opportunities than their home country.
>>>
>>> On another note, I would like to note that NFB is not the only
>>> disability rights advocacy organization that  is taking a stance on
>>> DACA repeal.
>>>
>>> National Council on Independent Living expressed its stance on this
>>> article:
>>> http://www.advocacymonitor.com/ncil-condemns-the-decision-to-end-daca/
>>>
>>> Miso
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/24/17, Sarah via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Miso, please explain more about your immigration process. (You may do
>>>> so privately if you wish.) This is something that I for one would
>>>> like to understand more about. How was this impacted by your
>>>> blindness and what do immigration organizations need to know? I think
>>>> that what you say here is extremely valuable, and while I agree thhat
>>>> educating other organizations will take a long time I also think it
>>>> is part of what we need to do. I work with other organizations that
>>>> support immigrant rights in various ways, and I would like to educate
>>>> them as much as possible.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rev. Sarah Blake LaRose
>>>> http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
>>>> Accessible instruction in Biblical languages
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso
>>>> Kwak via NABS-L
>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 6:35 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Miso Kwak <misokwak12 at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind
>>>> Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>>>
>>>> Joe and others who may share his sentiments, I would like to preface
>>>> this email by saying that I am neither an expert, nor deeply involved
>>>> in NFB leadership.
>>>> However, I am also a naturalized citizen, who self-identify as a 1.5
>>>> generation immigrant.
>>>>
>>>> So, for those who argue that disability and immigration are two
>>>> completely separate issues, I am here as one of many living
>>>> counterexamples to that argument.
>>>>
>>>> If NFB or any other organization for that matter claims to be a
>>>> consumer organization promoting the blind to live the lives they
>>>> want, I think it is the organization's responsibility to stand with
>>>> blind people who are affected by such major policy as DACA repeal.
>>>> Bluntly speaking, regardless of one's view on whether DACA should be
>>>> allowed or not, it is fact that with the repeal of DACA, blind people
>>>> who are DACA recepients cannot live the lives they want, figuratively
>>>> and literally.
>>>>
>>>> My personal belief is that organizations serving the blind and
>>>> immigrant rights organizations must collaborate in order to meet the
>>>> needs of blind immigrants. Immigrant rights organization are not
>>>> often equipped well enough to understand and serve people with not
>>>> just blindness but any other disabilities. My personal experience of
>>>> going through the naturalization process is one evidence.
>>>> Similarly, organizations that are solely dedicated to serving people
>>>> with disabilities are often poorly equipped with the ability and
>>>> sensitivity to serve immigrants (whether the immigration was legal or
>>>> not)
>>>>
>>>> I am afraid it may take too long to see collaboration between
>>>> disability focused organization and immigrant rights organization,
>>>> but I believe NFB's effort to learn more about the blind people
>>>> affected by the repeal of DACA is a necessary first step forward.
>>>>
>>>> Miso Kwak
>>>>
>>>> On 9/24/17, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Joe,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll try to be nonpartisan here. The DACA is a major thing impacting
>>>>> all those immigrants in it.
>>>>> I would guess it may impact blind  people more in the following ways:
>>>>> 1. It may impact their ability to receive state vocational rehab
>>>>> services that we all get or can get.
>>>>> 2. Unemployment among any immigrant population is hindered by  the
>>>>> language
>>>>>
>>>>> barriers. I  have seen it firsthand.
>>>>> While most people can go out and grab low wage jobs, blind people
>>>>> are excluded from these service sector jobs which require little
>>>>> language skills. Immigrants including dreamers partake in these jobs
>>>>> such as housekeeping staff at hotels, cleaning facilities in public
>>>>> areas such as our colleges and universities, painting houses, and of
>>>>> course lawn services.
>>>>> Blind people who cannot fluently read and write english are more
>>>>> negatively
>>>>>
>>>>> impacted. When an immigrant I know tried to take ESL classes at
>>>>> Northern virginia community college, it is my understanding he could
>>>>> not follow the class due to the visual nature of it such as pictures
>>>>> in workbooks. And, of
>>>>>
>>>>> course Nova is terrible at accomodations and failed to help this
>>>>> student with special needs succeed.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Blind Dreamers may also have a harder time securing other
>>>>> government services.
>>>>> 4. Dreamers may be denied other services their fellow dreamers can
>>>>> partake of.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm glad NFB is taking this up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes it is true we are vastly underemployed in general. It is true we
>>>>> have a
>>>>>
>>>>> ways to go in that area for all Americans.
>>>>> I think a huge hindrance to employment is accessibility of software.
>>>>> I've seen it firsthand. I'm hoping NFB will make headway in advocacy
>>>>> for accessibility sooner than later.
>>>>>
>>>>> Its also true that none of the NFB national resolutions spoke of
>>>>> this issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, I believe the resolutions were written prior to Mr. Trump's
>>>>> decision.
>>>>>
>>>>> Its something to ask the national office if you are still curious.
>>>>> I'm a naturalized citizen too, and I definitely understand your
>>>>> concerns.
>>>>> As a naturalized citizen, I want to be a first class citizen and
>>>>> earn my way
>>>>>
>>>>> including participating in the workforce but so far many barriers
>>>>> have hindered me such as attitudes of employers and accessibility of
>>>>> third party
>>>>>
>>>>> software.
>>>>> However, Dreamers have unique needs and challenges which I, as a
>>>>> naturalized
>>>>>
>>>>> citizen growing up here in American public schools, do not have.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good questions.
>>>>> I look forward to the outcome of such studies NFB conducts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Joe via NABS-L
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 7:06 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Cc: Joe
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind
>>>>> Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This post has been gnawing at me for over a week. Maybe someone can
>>>>> help me understand our rationale in getting involved in an issue
>>>>> that is clearly partisan.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My understanding is that the NFB seeks to enable all blind
>>>>> individuals to live the life they want, irrespective of immigration
>>>>> status. No argument here. I appreciate the work we do to provide
>>>>> equal opportunities for everyone--regardless of their legal status,
>>>>> which ought not to be any of our business anyway, and regardless of
>>>>> their membership in our organization.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But now we're talking about devoting already limited resources to
>>>>> better inform policymakers about the administration's decision to
>>>>> rescind the DACA program. I don't understand how this became a
>>>>> priority.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why are we suddenly interested in providing assistance to
>>>>> beneficiaries of the DACA program? If we are doing our work
>>>>> correctly, then one could argue the affected blind beneficiaries are
>>>>> already being served.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would we collect statistical analyses on the unemployment rate
>>>>> of the blind before and after the DACA program when we barely have a
>>>>> handle on the unemployment rate among the majority of blind Americans?
>>>>> If the general statistics are accurate, then the unemployment rate
>>>>> among the blind is somewhere in the neighborhood of 75%. I don't
>>>>> understand why our limited resources would not be devoted to solving
>>>>> for the employment needs of all blind Americans as opposed to the
>>>>> needs of the few. The fact we are largely excluded from the vast
>>>>> majority of minimum wage jobs accessible to the rest of the
>>>>> population should be of greater concern than the consequences of a
>>>>> program that was legally and constitutionally controversial to start.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The DACA program is not likely to result in mass deportations and
>>>>> other grim predictions forecasted by one side of the highly
>>>>> polarizing issue. The point is part of a larger debate on immigration
>>>>> reform.
>>>>> Congress should enact legislation the way it should have done when
>>>>> the legislative measure was originally proposed under President Bush
>>>>> in 2007, and to be fair, a bipartisan effort is underway to provide
>>>>> at least a three-year reprieve to the affected community. Given the
>>>>> convoluted and hotly contested nature of the overarching dialogue on
>>>>> the matter, why would the NFB spend its limited political capital
>>>>> appearing to take sides on this issue?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking through this year's resolutions, I see no mention of
>>>>> devoting resources to beneficiaries of the DACA program. How do we
>>>>> go about deciding outreach efforts in situations where our mission
>>>>> was not directed by the objectives agreed to by our convention?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> To me, the step feels like an opportunistic means of snagging
>>>>> attention on an issue that is already steeped in controversy. We are
>>>>> already fighting an uphill battle on employment equality for those
>>>>> individuals working in sheltered environments. We already face
>>>>> educational and employment disparities among highly qualified blind
>>>>> permanent residents and citizens, born and naturalized.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But, perhaps I am missing something. I'm willing to be educated. As
>>>>> a naturalized citizen, I understand the benefits of something like
>>>>> DACA to get ahead in this country. For that, there are other
>>>>> immigration rights consumer groups. We can trust them to take up the
>>>>> cry for fair treatment. We can trust them to help undocumented
>>>>> individuals find and keep a place in our society. I would like to
>>>>> think we place our trust in the NFB to make that society more
>>>>> accessible.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: NFBNet-Members-List
>>>>> [mailto:nfbnet-members-list-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of President, National Federation of the Blind via
>>>>> NFBNet-Members-List
>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:07 AM
>>>>> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of
>>>>> the Blind Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>>>> Importance: High
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> National Federation of the Blind Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>>>>
>>>>> As the principal vehicle for collective action for the blind in the
>>>>> United States, the National Federation of the Blind is committed to
>>>>> enabling all blind people, irrespective of immigration status, to
>>>>> live the lives we want.
>>>>> To better inform our current and future advocacy and policy
>>>>> strategies, the National Federation of the Blind is collecting the
>>>>> following information to better understand the impact of the
>>>>> administration's recent decision to rescind the Deferred Action for
>>>>> Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program among the blind in the United
>>>>> States.
>>>>> The information collected will be used to:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Identify DREAMers who are blind in order to better understand the
>>>>> impact on blind people and help inform the National Federation of
>>>>> the Blind regarding ways the organization can best provide assistance.
>>>>> 2. Develop an aggregate summary of the blind people in the United
>>>>> States who participate in the DACA program, which can be shared with
>>>>> government officials, advocates, and other interested parties.
>>>>> 3. Develop statistical analyses on the unemployment rate among the
>>>>> blind before and after the establishment of the DACA program.
>>>>> 4. Highlight general narratives of blind people living the lives
>>>>> they want because of the DACA program.
>>>>> 5. Coordinate a community of blind DACA recipients in order to
>>>>> maximize the resources available.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you or someone you know is blind and receives DACA benefits,
>>>>> please complete the National Federation of the Blind DACA form at
>>>>> the below links (available in Spanish and English), or share this
>>>>> information with them. If you know of a DREAMer who does not have
>>>>> internet access, we would appreciate your helping them complete the
>>>>> form.
>>>>>
>>>>> Spanish NFB DACA form: https://nfb.org/daca-es English NFB DACA form:
>>>>> https://nfb.org/daca
>>>>>
>>>>> Together with love, hope, and determination, the National Federation
>>>>> of the Blind transforms dreams into reality. Through this effort we
>>>>> seek to support the hopes and dreams of blind people seeking to be
>>>>> fully contributing members of our nation.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark A. Riccobono, President
>>>>> 200 East Wells Street, Baltimore, MD 21230
>>>>> (410) 659-9314 | Officeofthepresident at nfb.org
>>>>> Twitter: @Riccobono
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://nfb.org/> Image removed by sender. National Federation of
>>>>> the Blind
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.facebook.com/nationalfederationoftheblind> Image removed
>>>>> by
>>>>> sender. Facebook     <https://twitter.com/NFB_Voice> Image removed by
>>>>> sender. Twitter     <https://www.youtube.com/NationsBlind> Image
>>>>> removed
>>>>> by
>>>>> sender. Youtube
>>>>>
>>>>> The National Federation of the Blind is a community of members and
>>>>> friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation's blind.
>>>>> Every day we work together to help blind people live the lives they
>>>>> want.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>> Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
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From jlhodges4 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 26 19:18:03 2017
From: jlhodges4 at gmail.com (Jessica Hodges)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 14:18:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind Is
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Hello.
I have seen people try to learn English as a second language, and can 
safely say resources to do this as a blind individual are much less than 
most ESL learners, as much of the typical teaching style is in pictures. 
And while it isn't unique to DACA beneficiaries, it is a very large 
segment of ESL learners. Therefore, I believe the support is justified, 
and support the other views being voiced in this thread in their 
defense. I would also point out that many of the barriers are not merely 
democratic. their are often physical and societal barriers in the way as 
well, and i think a lot have help can be had without breaking our 
mission. Also, we are a minority. It makes sense to try and help others 
in said minority when they need it, and now, I'd say there's a need.

Jessica.

On 9/26/2017 1:01 PM, Joe Orozco via NABS-L wrote:
> Hello,
>
> @ Sarah:
>
> Forgive me. My intent was not to advance this idea that the NFB should
> wash its hands of the immigration problem altogether. As I previously
> wrote, if there are deficiencies in the bureaucratic application
> process owed to equal access, the NFB should absolutely get involved
> and eliminate those challenges. As to the issue of language
> proficiency, I would argue that is a problem that transcends the DACA
> debate. I agree learning English can be challenging, but that problem
> is not unique to DACA beneficiaries. The issue ought to be explored
> through a neutral lens that takes into account the difficulties in
> learning English itself and not through the polarizing view that DACA
> represents. While I can absolutely appreciate that the blindness
> community is as diverse as its broader counterpart, at some point it
> is worth asking ourselves if we are advocating for the blind
> individual or the blind individual who is also undocumented. It's that
> secondary step that could inhibit our ability to be effective at the
> first goal, and if we are not effective at meeting the basic needs of
> the blind individual, we are certainly not going to be great at
> meeting the unique needs of so many other segments of society that are
> independent of blindness.
>
> @ Roanna:
>
> No argument here. The discussion is important. Understanding the issue
> is important. Devoting resources to it? That's where I'm getting
> stuck. We do not have infinite staff, time, and money. If we could
> succeed at cracking the unemployment problem for all blind people, we
> might actually make it possible for DACA beneficiaries to enjoy a
> better life after they graduate college. Why is it that in 2017, a
> blind person's employment choices are either professional white collar
> or blind-friendly? There are broad segments of the employment sector
> we have not successfully penetrated despite advances in technology and
> NFB training. Maybe that is the piece of this initiative that is
> inhibiting my own ability to take a long view on this item. We want to
> analyze employment challenges for DACA beneficiaries when we barely
> understand the employment challenges for the rest of the community?
>
> @ Tyler:
>
> I never said our work should only concentrate on blind citizens. My
> position has always been to advocate for everyone, regardless of DACA
> eligibility.
>
> DACA did not inhibit a blind person's ability to make a living in the
> United States. An increasing number of states and local municipalities
> were already offering benefits to undocumented persons before DACA was
> ever enacted. Again I ask, what do you think the thousands of
> undocumented people were doing before 2012?
>
> No, I've already admitted learning English is not easy, but nor is it
> unique to DACA beneficiaries.
>
> I'm going to assume your example of picking up trash on the side of
> the street to earn money to pay for language courses was sarcasm. If I
> were a liberal, I would pounce on that point to ask what the harm is
> in trash collection as a profession? As a conservative, I would
> applaud the opportunity for blind people to be able to equally
> participate in that line of work as a means to get off government
> assistance and improve their lot in life.
>
> Will learning the language be costly? Yes, but, well, it's going to be
> costly for everyone. Should we extend unique advantages to someone
> just because they are undocumented?
>
> Again, no argument on the accessibility to the paperwork. If that is
> an issue, we should help. I'm not sure to whom that responsibility
> would fall. Local chapters? A division? Our legal counsel? I'm sure
> that could be sorted out.
>
> To a certain extent, we can agree this is not a black and white issue.
> For me though, the gray has everything to do with new arrivals in the
> country, and even challenges with learning the language, and little to
> do with the controversial policy issued by a former president
> interested in bypassing Congress.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Joe
>
>
> On 9/26/17, Littlefield, Tyler via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I want to address some of Joe's points, because they're worth discussion
>> here.
>>
>> While we do have a small scope and our work should apply to advocacy,
>> that does not mean that the NFB as an organization should be only
>> focused on blind people who are citizens; issues that affect blind
>> people within this country are our focus and should be. You say that
>> removal of DACA does not prevent those people from living the life they
>> want, but it most certanly does if that also revokes and puts into
>> question their legal status; as someone who was under DACA, they had the
>> chance for a future here that will not be provided them otherwise.
>>
>> Also although you brush over it, learning English for everyone is not an
>> easy job, and depending on your resources is not always going to be the
>> first thing people do. Those classes cost money--and I'm sure that you
>> have a way for them to raise it, perhaps by picking up trash on the
>> street or something else just as unlikely, but the reality is that those
>> classes are costly. If you're blind and new to the country, you're also
>> going to potentially run into access barriers, which again is where the
>> NFB can help.
>>
>> Finally and perhaps most importantly is your claim that filling out
>> these forms is straight-forward and accessible. I know many people who
>> have immigrated to the country, many of whom are sighted and speak
>> fairly good English and filling out these forms was certainly not a
>> cakewalk for them. If you want to add to that mix the fact that someone
>> who is blind from another country may not be exposed to screen-reading
>> software or have access to a system with a screen reader built in, or
>> may have been provided paper forms, or any of the above with the
>> combined note that they haven't taken the dive to become "more
>> employable" in your mind and learned English, this process is going to
>> be much more complex.
>>
>> These issues affect people in different ways, and stating that people
>> should do x for y to occur without looking at the underlying issues and
>> understanding that there may be barriers that prevent that is going to
>> cause problems. This is not a solution in black and white where there
>> exists only one way out.
>> On 9/26/2017 9:57 AM, Sarah via NABS-L wrote:
>>> Joe, perhaps the diversity of experiences that people are having with
>>> immigration is why the discussion needs to be had. If you found it easy to
>>> navigate the process and Miso did not, what were the differences in your
>>> two experiences? Were they language-based? Were they differences that
>>> actually did have to do with blindness, e.g. technology you were able to
>>> obtain that she was not, tech that did not support her language at the
>>> time, etc? Yes, learning English should be a goal for anyone entering this
>>> country. I am a language professor... You might be surprised how many
>>> emails I field from people who are seeking ways to teach English
>>> effectively to refugees, specifically to teach English reading skills. For
>>> some people, learning English is not an easy process, especially if they
>>> come from a country where blindness is treated as a condition that means
>>> you are cared for instead of employable. The NFB really does need to
>>> consider what impact blindness has on immigration and refugees; and I
>>> think that it will not be the same impact for each individual who enters
>>> this country. We have the potential to be able to work collaboratively
>>> with other agencies or simply to wash our hands and say it isn't our
>>> business. But it is our business.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rev. Sarah Blake LaRose
>>> http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
>>> Accessible instruction in Biblical languages
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe Orozco
>>> via NABS-L
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 7:57 AM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Joe Orozco <jsoro620 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind Is
>>> Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Interesting points. Let me offer a few rebuttals for the sake of
>>> discussion. I realize my opposition will not change anything, but
>>> hopefully the discussion is of some thoughtful value.
>>>
>>> @ Ashley:
>>>
>>> First, state rehabilitation services are not denied to persons with no
>>> legal immigration status. DACA did not magically open these services.
>>>
>>> Second, language barriers can be a challenge to all persons, not just
>>> undocumented immigrants. Learning the English language ought to be a goal
>>> for everyone to achieve to be marketable in this employment industry.
>>>
>>> Third, what government services would blind DREAMers not be able to
>>> procure if DACA truly expired? Somehow we have gotten it into our heads
>>> that before DACA, life was truly dismal for undocumented blind persons.
>>> Yes, it was challenging, but what do we suppose blind immigrants were
>>> doing before DACA was enacted under Obama? What do we assume blind persons
>>> over the age of 31 are doing now? If things have truly been that critical,
>>> why have we as a blind movement not acknowledged the epidemic sooner?
>>>
>>> You wrote: "4. Dreamers may be denied other services their fellow dreamers
>>> can partake of."
>>>
>>> Forgive me. I'm an idiot. What did you mean by this point?
>>>
>>> @ Miso:
>>>
>>> My point was not so much that disability and immigration are two different
>>> issues. My point is that with limited capital, with limited resources, why
>>> are we pursuing a narrow scope and highly controversial advocacy issue
>>> when there is already an array of social justice organizations taking up
>>> the cause?
>>>
>>> To be clear, DACA is not what keeps a blind person from living the life
>>> they want. Their legal status is creating that prevention. DACA is, at
>>> best, a short-term cure for a long-term problem.
>>>
>>> Should there be collaboration between disability rights and immigration
>>> groups? Sure, but that should be part of a general outreach strategy, not
>>> a specific initiative. By your logic, what we really ought to be doing to
>>> help blind undocumented people is provide assistance navigating the
>>> immigration process, and that isn't really a part of our core mission.
>>> It's not our expertise, and nor should it be. Our objective is more
>>> collective.
>>>
>>> Could USCIS be more accommodating? I suppose that depends on your
>>> experience. I navigated the system more than a decade ago. I did so
>>> independently, without the need for legal counsel or immigration rights
>>> advocacy. I am by no means suggesting my experience should set the bar for
>>> everyone else's progress, but in terms of website accessibility and forms,
>>> I remember being quite surprised at how straightforward the application
>>> went. Regardless of my own experiences though, here is a place where the
>>> NFB could insert itself. Government resource accessibility ought to be
>>> equal for all, not because it affects a segment of society but because
>>> public resources from any agency are legally bound to be accessible.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I don't want to belabor the point if I am a minority of one.
>>> The initiative feels a little random to me, a little too much like the
>>> eager kid pushing for a place at a table where we do not have strategic
>>> advantage. If we want to help DACA beneficiaries, the best way to go about
>>> it is by ensuring the equal compensation of all blind workers. We should
>>> ensure equal access to the classroom and workplace for all blind students,
>>> employees and job applicants. Our community is already too small for us to
>>> believe that blind DACA beneficiaries are somehow at a unique
>>> disadvantage.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/24/17, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Thank you for asking.
>>>> For the sake of privacy, I will write without much personal details.
>>>> In my opinion, one issue is in navigating the process of receiving
>>>> accommodations when people with disabilities must work with U.S.
>>>> Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS.) Working with USCIS could
>>>> include applying for permanent residency, applying for citizenship,
>>>> and a range of other services.
>>>> Based on my personal experience, USCIS staff are not super
>>>> knowledgeable about how to execute accommodation for people with
>>>> disabilities.
>>>> Immigrant rights organizations are not well-equipped with knowledge on
>>>> requesting accommodations either based on my experience.
>>>> Similarly, most people in organizations like NFB are not knowledgeable
>>>> about immigration related procedures, and are unable to help when
>>>> their members seek help with immigration related matters.
>>>>
>>>> In regards to why disability and immigration are not separate issues,
>>>> many people come to U.S. for better medical care or simply better
>>>> opportunity as people with disabilities. In other words, for some
>>>> people, having a disability themselves or having a child with
>>>> disability is primary reason why they forgo the comfort of their
>>>> homeland and immigrate to the U.S. even when (in some cases) they risk
>>>> being undocumented because U.S. offers better medical care and
>>>> educational opportunities than their home country.
>>>>
>>>> On another note, I would like to note that NFB is not the only
>>>> disability rights advocacy organization that  is taking a stance on
>>>> DACA repeal.
>>>>
>>>> National Council on Independent Living expressed its stance on this
>>>> article:
>>>> http://www.advocacymonitor.com/ncil-condemns-the-decision-to-end-daca/
>>>>
>>>> Miso
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/24/17, Sarah via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Miso, please explain more about your immigration process. (You may do
>>>>> so privately if you wish.) This is something that I for one would
>>>>> like to understand more about. How was this impacted by your
>>>>> blindness and what do immigration organizations need to know? I think
>>>>> that what you say here is extremely valuable, and while I agree thhat
>>>>> educating other organizations will take a long time I also think it
>>>>> is part of what we need to do. I work with other organizations that
>>>>> support immigrant rights in various ways, and I would like to educate
>>>>> them as much as possible.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rev. Sarah Blake LaRose
>>>>> http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
>>>>> Accessible instruction in Biblical languages
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso
>>>>> Kwak via NABS-L
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 6:35 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Miso Kwak <misokwak12 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind
>>>>> Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe and others who may share his sentiments, I would like to preface
>>>>> this email by saying that I am neither an expert, nor deeply involved
>>>>> in NFB leadership.
>>>>> However, I am also a naturalized citizen, who self-identify as a 1.5
>>>>> generation immigrant.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, for those who argue that disability and immigration are two
>>>>> completely separate issues, I am here as one of many living
>>>>> counterexamples to that argument.
>>>>>
>>>>> If NFB or any other organization for that matter claims to be a
>>>>> consumer organization promoting the blind to live the lives they
>>>>> want, I think it is the organization's responsibility to stand with
>>>>> blind people who are affected by such major policy as DACA repeal.
>>>>> Bluntly speaking, regardless of one's view on whether DACA should be
>>>>> allowed or not, it is fact that with the repeal of DACA, blind people
>>>>> who are DACA recepients cannot live the lives they want, figuratively
>>>>> and literally.
>>>>>
>>>>> My personal belief is that organizations serving the blind and
>>>>> immigrant rights organizations must collaborate in order to meet the
>>>>> needs of blind immigrants. Immigrant rights organization are not
>>>>> often equipped well enough to understand and serve people with not
>>>>> just blindness but any other disabilities. My personal experience of
>>>>> going through the naturalization process is one evidence.
>>>>> Similarly, organizations that are solely dedicated to serving people
>>>>> with disabilities are often poorly equipped with the ability and
>>>>> sensitivity to serve immigrants (whether the immigration was legal or
>>>>> not)
>>>>>
>>>>> I am afraid it may take too long to see collaboration between
>>>>> disability focused organization and immigrant rights organization,
>>>>> but I believe NFB's effort to learn more about the blind people
>>>>> affected by the repeal of DACA is a necessary first step forward.
>>>>>
>>>>> Miso Kwak
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/24/17, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Joe,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll try to be nonpartisan here. The DACA is a major thing impacting
>>>>>> all those immigrants in it.
>>>>>> I would guess it may impact blind  people more in the following ways:
>>>>>> 1. It may impact their ability to receive state vocational rehab
>>>>>> services that we all get or can get.
>>>>>> 2. Unemployment among any immigrant population is hindered by  the
>>>>>> language
>>>>>>
>>>>>> barriers. I  have seen it firsthand.
>>>>>> While most people can go out and grab low wage jobs, blind people
>>>>>> are excluded from these service sector jobs which require little
>>>>>> language skills. Immigrants including dreamers partake in these jobs
>>>>>> such as housekeeping staff at hotels, cleaning facilities in public
>>>>>> areas such as our colleges and universities, painting houses, and of
>>>>>> course lawn services.
>>>>>> Blind people who cannot fluently read and write english are more
>>>>>> negatively
>>>>>>
>>>>>> impacted. When an immigrant I know tried to take ESL classes at
>>>>>> Northern virginia community college, it is my understanding he could
>>>>>> not follow the class due to the visual nature of it such as pictures
>>>>>> in workbooks. And, of
>>>>>>
>>>>>> course Nova is terrible at accomodations and failed to help this
>>>>>> student with special needs succeed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. Blind Dreamers may also have a harder time securing other
>>>>>> government services.
>>>>>> 4. Dreamers may be denied other services their fellow dreamers can
>>>>>> partake of.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm glad NFB is taking this up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes it is true we are vastly underemployed in general. It is true we
>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ways to go in that area for all Americans.
>>>>>> I think a huge hindrance to employment is accessibility of software.
>>>>>> I've seen it firsthand. I'm hoping NFB will make headway in advocacy
>>>>>> for accessibility sooner than later.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Its also true that none of the NFB national resolutions spoke of
>>>>>> this issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, I believe the resolutions were written prior to Mr. Trump's
>>>>>> decision.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Its something to ask the national office if you are still curious.
>>>>>> I'm a naturalized citizen too, and I definitely understand your
>>>>>> concerns.
>>>>>> As a naturalized citizen, I want to be a first class citizen and
>>>>>> earn my way
>>>>>>
>>>>>> including participating in the workforce but so far many barriers
>>>>>> have hindered me such as attitudes of employers and accessibility of
>>>>>> third party
>>>>>>
>>>>>> software.
>>>>>> However, Dreamers have unique needs and challenges which I, as a
>>>>>> naturalized
>>>>>>
>>>>>> citizen growing up here in American public schools, do not have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good questions.
>>>>>> I look forward to the outcome of such studies NFB conducts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Joe via NABS-L
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 7:06 PM
>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>> Cc: Joe
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>> Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This post has been gnawing at me for over a week. Maybe someone can
>>>>>> help me understand our rationale in getting involved in an issue
>>>>>> that is clearly partisan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My understanding is that the NFB seeks to enable all blind
>>>>>> individuals to live the life they want, irrespective of immigration
>>>>>> status. No argument here. I appreciate the work we do to provide
>>>>>> equal opportunities for everyone--regardless of their legal status,
>>>>>> which ought not to be any of our business anyway, and regardless of
>>>>>> their membership in our organization.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But now we're talking about devoting already limited resources to
>>>>>> better inform policymakers about the administration's decision to
>>>>>> rescind the DACA program. I don't understand how this became a
>>>>>> priority.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why are we suddenly interested in providing assistance to
>>>>>> beneficiaries of the DACA program? If we are doing our work
>>>>>> correctly, then one could argue the affected blind beneficiaries are
>>>>>> already being served.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why would we collect statistical analyses on the unemployment rate
>>>>>> of the blind before and after the DACA program when we barely have a
>>>>>> handle on the unemployment rate among the majority of blind Americans?
>>>>>> If the general statistics are accurate, then the unemployment rate
>>>>>> among the blind is somewhere in the neighborhood of 75%. I don't
>>>>>> understand why our limited resources would not be devoted to solving
>>>>>> for the employment needs of all blind Americans as opposed to the
>>>>>> needs of the few. The fact we are largely excluded from the vast
>>>>>> majority of minimum wage jobs accessible to the rest of the
>>>>>> population should be of greater concern than the consequences of a
>>>>>> program that was legally and constitutionally controversial to start.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The DACA program is not likely to result in mass deportations and
>>>>>> other grim predictions forecasted by one side of the highly
>>>>>> polarizing issue. The point is part of a larger debate on immigration
>>>>>> reform.
>>>>>> Congress should enact legislation the way it should have done when
>>>>>> the legislative measure was originally proposed under President Bush
>>>>>> in 2007, and to be fair, a bipartisan effort is underway to provide
>>>>>> at least a three-year reprieve to the affected community. Given the
>>>>>> convoluted and hotly contested nature of the overarching dialogue on
>>>>>> the matter, why would the NFB spend its limited political capital
>>>>>> appearing to take sides on this issue?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looking through this year's resolutions, I see no mention of
>>>>>> devoting resources to beneficiaries of the DACA program. How do we
>>>>>> go about deciding outreach efforts in situations where our mission
>>>>>> was not directed by the objectives agreed to by our convention?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To me, the step feels like an opportunistic means of snagging
>>>>>> attention on an issue that is already steeped in controversy. We are
>>>>>> already fighting an uphill battle on employment equality for those
>>>>>> individuals working in sheltered environments. We already face
>>>>>> educational and employment disparities among highly qualified blind
>>>>>> permanent residents and citizens, born and naturalized.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But, perhaps I am missing something. I'm willing to be educated. As
>>>>>> a naturalized citizen, I understand the benefits of something like
>>>>>> DACA to get ahead in this country. For that, there are other
>>>>>> immigration rights consumer groups. We can trust them to take up the
>>>>>> cry for fair treatment. We can trust them to help undocumented
>>>>>> individuals find and keep a place in our society. I would like to
>>>>>> think we place our trust in the NFB to make that society more
>>>>>> accessible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: NFBNet-Members-List
>>>>>> [mailto:nfbnet-members-list-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> On
>>>>>> Behalf Of President, National Federation of the Blind via
>>>>>> NFBNet-Members-List
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:07 AM
>>>>>> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of
>>>>>> the Blind Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>>>>> Importance: High
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> National Federation of the Blind Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As the principal vehicle for collective action for the blind in the
>>>>>> United States, the National Federation of the Blind is committed to
>>>>>> enabling all blind people, irrespective of immigration status, to
>>>>>> live the lives we want.
>>>>>> To better inform our current and future advocacy and policy
>>>>>> strategies, the National Federation of the Blind is collecting the
>>>>>> following information to better understand the impact of the
>>>>>> administration's recent decision to rescind the Deferred Action for
>>>>>> Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program among the blind in the United
>>>>>> States.
>>>>>> The information collected will be used to:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Identify DREAMers who are blind in order to better understand the
>>>>>> impact on blind people and help inform the National Federation of
>>>>>> the Blind regarding ways the organization can best provide assistance.
>>>>>> 2. Develop an aggregate summary of the blind people in the United
>>>>>> States who participate in the DACA program, which can be shared with
>>>>>> government officials, advocates, and other interested parties.
>>>>>> 3. Develop statistical analyses on the unemployment rate among the
>>>>>> blind before and after the establishment of the DACA program.
>>>>>> 4. Highlight general narratives of blind people living the lives
>>>>>> they want because of the DACA program.
>>>>>> 5. Coordinate a community of blind DACA recipients in order to
>>>>>> maximize the resources available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you or someone you know is blind and receives DACA benefits,
>>>>>> please complete the National Federation of the Blind DACA form at
>>>>>> the below links (available in Spanish and English), or share this
>>>>>> information with them. If you know of a DREAMer who does not have
>>>>>> internet access, we would appreciate your helping them complete the
>>>>>> form.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Spanish NFB DACA form: https://nfb.org/daca-es English NFB DACA form:
>>>>>> https://nfb.org/daca
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Together with love, hope, and determination, the National Federation
>>>>>> of the Blind transforms dreams into reality. Through this effort we
>>>>>> seek to support the hopes and dreams of blind people seeking to be
>>>>>> fully contributing members of our nation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark A. Riccobono, President
>>>>>> 200 East Wells Street, Baltimore, MD 21230
>>>>>> (410) 659-9314 | Officeofthepresident at nfb.org
>>>>>> Twitter: @Riccobono
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://nfb.org/> Image removed by sender. National Federation of
>>>>>> the Blind
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <http://www.facebook.com/nationalfederationoftheblind> Image removed
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> sender. Facebook     <https://twitter.com/NFB_Voice> Image removed by
>>>>>> sender. Twitter     <https://www.youtube.com/NationsBlind> Image
>>>>>> removed
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> sender. Youtube
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The National Federation of the Blind is a community of members and
>>>>>> friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation's blind.
>>>>>> Every day we work together to help blind people live the lives they
>>>>>> want.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>> Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
>>>>> (909) 660-1897
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I hope that this discussion continues.

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> On Sep 26, 2017, at 3:18 PM, Jessica Hodges via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello.
> I have seen people try to learn English as a second language, and can safely say resources to do this as a blind individual are much less than most ESL learners, as much of the typical teaching style is in pictures. And while it isn't unique to DACA beneficiaries, it is a very large segment of ESL learners. Therefore, I believe the support is justified, and support the other views being voiced in this thread in their defense. I would also point out that many of the barriers are not merely democratic. their are often physical and societal barriers in the way as well, and i think a lot have help can be had without breaking our mission. Also, we are a minority. It makes sense to try and help others in said minority when they need it, and now, I'd say there's a need.
> 
> Jessica.
> 
>> On 9/26/2017 1:01 PM, Joe Orozco via NABS-L wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> @ Sarah:
>> 
>> Forgive me. My intent was not to advance this idea that the NFB should
>> wash its hands of the immigration problem altogether. As I previously
>> wrote, if there are deficiencies in the bureaucratic application
>> process owed to equal access, the NFB should absolutely get involved
>> and eliminate those challenges. As to the issue of language
>> proficiency, I would argue that is a problem that transcends the DACA
>> debate. I agree learning English can be challenging, but that problem
>> is not unique to DACA beneficiaries. The issue ought to be explored
>> through a neutral lens that takes into account the difficulties in
>> learning English itself and not through the polarizing view that DACA
>> represents. While I can absolutely appreciate that the blindness
>> community is as diverse as its broader counterpart, at some point it
>> is worth asking ourselves if we are advocating for the blind
>> individual or the blind individual who is also undocumented. It's that
>> secondary step that could inhibit our ability to be effective at the
>> first goal, and if we are not effective at meeting the basic needs of
>> the blind individual, we are certainly not going to be great at
>> meeting the unique needs of so many other segments of society that are
>> independent of blindness.
>> 
>> @ Roanna:
>> 
>> No argument here. The discussion is important. Understanding the issue
>> is important. Devoting resources to it? That's where I'm getting
>> stuck. We do not have infinite staff, time, and money. If we could
>> succeed at cracking the unemployment problem for all blind people, we
>> might actually make it possible for DACA beneficiaries to enjoy a
>> better life after they graduate college. Why is it that in 2017, a
>> blind person's employment choices are either professional white collar
>> or blind-friendly? There are broad segments of the employment sector
>> we have not successfully penetrated despite advances in technology and
>> NFB training. Maybe that is the piece of this initiative that is
>> inhibiting my own ability to take a long view on this item. We want to
>> analyze employment challenges for DACA beneficiaries when we barely
>> understand the employment challenges for the rest of the community?
>> 
>> @ Tyler:
>> 
>> I never said our work should only concentrate on blind citizens. My
>> position has always been to advocate for everyone, regardless of DACA
>> eligibility.
>> 
>> DACA did not inhibit a blind person's ability to make a living in the
>> United States. An increasing number of states and local municipalities
>> were already offering benefits to undocumented persons before DACA was
>> ever enacted. Again I ask, what do you think the thousands of
>> undocumented people were doing before 2012?
>> 
>> No, I've already admitted learning English is not easy, but nor is it
>> unique to DACA beneficiaries.
>> 
>> I'm going to assume your example of picking up trash on the side of
>> the street to earn money to pay for language courses was sarcasm. If I
>> were a liberal, I would pounce on that point to ask what the harm is
>> in trash collection as a profession? As a conservative, I would
>> applaud the opportunity for blind people to be able to equally
>> participate in that line of work as a means to get off government
>> assistance and improve their lot in life.
>> 
>> Will learning the language be costly? Yes, but, well, it's going to be
>> costly for everyone. Should we extend unique advantages to someone
>> just because they are undocumented?
>> 
>> Again, no argument on the accessibility to the paperwork. If that is
>> an issue, we should help. I'm not sure to whom that responsibility
>> would fall. Local chapters? A division? Our legal counsel? I'm sure
>> that could be sorted out.
>> 
>> To a certain extent, we can agree this is not a black and white issue.
>> For me though, the gray has everything to do with new arrivals in the
>> country, and even challenges with learning the language, and little to
>> do with the controversial policy issued by a former president
>> interested in bypassing Congress.
>> 
>> Respectfully,
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> 
>>> On 9/26/17, Littlefield, Tyler via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> I want to address some of Joe's points, because they're worth discussion
>>> here.
>>> 
>>> While we do have a small scope and our work should apply to advocacy,
>>> that does not mean that the NFB as an organization should be only
>>> focused on blind people who are citizens; issues that affect blind
>>> people within this country are our focus and should be. You say that
>>> removal of DACA does not prevent those people from living the life they
>>> want, but it most certanly does if that also revokes and puts into
>>> question their legal status; as someone who was under DACA, they had the
>>> chance for a future here that will not be provided them otherwise.
>>> 
>>> Also although you brush over it, learning English for everyone is not an
>>> easy job, and depending on your resources is not always going to be the
>>> first thing people do. Those classes cost money--and I'm sure that you
>>> have a way for them to raise it, perhaps by picking up trash on the
>>> street or something else just as unlikely, but the reality is that those
>>> classes are costly. If you're blind and new to the country, you're also
>>> going to potentially run into access barriers, which again is where the
>>> NFB can help.
>>> 
>>> Finally and perhaps most importantly is your claim that filling out
>>> these forms is straight-forward and accessible. I know many people who
>>> have immigrated to the country, many of whom are sighted and speak
>>> fairly good English and filling out these forms was certainly not a
>>> cakewalk for them. If you want to add to that mix the fact that someone
>>> who is blind from another country may not be exposed to screen-reading
>>> software or have access to a system with a screen reader built in, or
>>> may have been provided paper forms, or any of the above with the
>>> combined note that they haven't taken the dive to become "more
>>> employable" in your mind and learned English, this process is going to
>>> be much more complex.
>>> 
>>> These issues affect people in different ways, and stating that people
>>> should do x for y to occur without looking at the underlying issues and
>>> understanding that there may be barriers that prevent that is going to
>>> cause problems. This is not a solution in black and white where there
>>> exists only one way out.
>>>> On 9/26/2017 9:57 AM, Sarah via NABS-L wrote:
>>>> Joe, perhaps the diversity of experiences that people are having with
>>>> immigration is why the discussion needs to be had. If you found it easy to
>>>> navigate the process and Miso did not, what were the differences in your
>>>> two experiences? Were they language-based? Were they differences that
>>>> actually did have to do with blindness, e.g. technology you were able to
>>>> obtain that she was not, tech that did not support her language at the
>>>> time, etc? Yes, learning English should be a goal for anyone entering this
>>>> country. I am a language professor... You might be surprised how many
>>>> emails I field from people who are seeking ways to teach English
>>>> effectively to refugees, specifically to teach English reading skills. For
>>>> some people, learning English is not an easy process, especially if they
>>>> come from a country where blindness is treated as a condition that means
>>>> you are cared for instead of employable. The NFB really does need to
>>>> consider what impact blindness has on immigration and refugees; and I
>>>> think that it will not be the same impact for each individual who enters
>>>> this country. We have the potential to be able to work collaboratively
>>>> with other agencies or simply to wash our hands and say it isn't our
>>>> business. But it is our business.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Rev. Sarah Blake LaRose
>>>> http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
>>>> Accessible instruction in Biblical languages
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe Orozco
>>>> via NABS-L
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 7:57 AM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Joe Orozco <jsoro620 at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind Is
>>>> Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> 
>>>> Interesting points. Let me offer a few rebuttals for the sake of
>>>> discussion. I realize my opposition will not change anything, but
>>>> hopefully the discussion is of some thoughtful value.
>>>> 
>>>> @ Ashley:
>>>> 
>>>> First, state rehabilitation services are not denied to persons with no
>>>> legal immigration status. DACA did not magically open these services.
>>>> 
>>>> Second, language barriers can be a challenge to all persons, not just
>>>> undocumented immigrants. Learning the English language ought to be a goal
>>>> for everyone to achieve to be marketable in this employment industry.
>>>> 
>>>> Third, what government services would blind DREAMers not be able to
>>>> procure if DACA truly expired? Somehow we have gotten it into our heads
>>>> that before DACA, life was truly dismal for undocumented blind persons.
>>>> Yes, it was challenging, but what do we suppose blind immigrants were
>>>> doing before DACA was enacted under Obama? What do we assume blind persons
>>>> over the age of 31 are doing now? If things have truly been that critical,
>>>> why have we as a blind movement not acknowledged the epidemic sooner?
>>>> 
>>>> You wrote: "4. Dreamers may be denied other services their fellow dreamers
>>>> can partake of."
>>>> 
>>>> Forgive me. I'm an idiot. What did you mean by this point?
>>>> 
>>>> @ Miso:
>>>> 
>>>> My point was not so much that disability and immigration are two different
>>>> issues. My point is that with limited capital, with limited resources, why
>>>> are we pursuing a narrow scope and highly controversial advocacy issue
>>>> when there is already an array of social justice organizations taking up
>>>> the cause?
>>>> 
>>>> To be clear, DACA is not what keeps a blind person from living the life
>>>> they want. Their legal status is creating that prevention. DACA is, at
>>>> best, a short-term cure for a long-term problem.
>>>> 
>>>> Should there be collaboration between disability rights and immigration
>>>> groups? Sure, but that should be part of a general outreach strategy, not
>>>> a specific initiative. By your logic, what we really ought to be doing to
>>>> help blind undocumented people is provide assistance navigating the
>>>> immigration process, and that isn't really a part of our core mission.
>>>> It's not our expertise, and nor should it be. Our objective is more
>>>> collective.
>>>> 
>>>> Could USCIS be more accommodating? I suppose that depends on your
>>>> experience. I navigated the system more than a decade ago. I did so
>>>> independently, without the need for legal counsel or immigration rights
>>>> advocacy. I am by no means suggesting my experience should set the bar for
>>>> everyone else's progress, but in terms of website accessibility and forms,
>>>> I remember being quite surprised at how straightforward the application
>>>> went. Regardless of my own experiences though, here is a place where the
>>>> NFB could insert itself. Government resource accessibility ought to be
>>>> equal for all, not because it affects a segment of society but because
>>>> public resources from any agency are legally bound to be accessible.
>>>> 
>>>> Anyway, I don't want to belabor the point if I am a minority of one.
>>>> The initiative feels a little random to me, a little too much like the
>>>> eager kid pushing for a place at a table where we do not have strategic
>>>> advantage. If we want to help DACA beneficiaries, the best way to go about
>>>> it is by ensuring the equal compensation of all blind workers. We should
>>>> ensure equal access to the classroom and workplace for all blind students,
>>>> employees and job applicants. Our community is already too small for us to
>>>> believe that blind DACA beneficiaries are somehow at a unique
>>>> disadvantage.
>>>> 
>>>> Joe
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 9/24/17, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Thank you for asking.
>>>>> For the sake of privacy, I will write without much personal details.
>>>>> In my opinion, one issue is in navigating the process of receiving
>>>>> accommodations when people with disabilities must work with U.S.
>>>>> Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS.) Working with USCIS could
>>>>> include applying for permanent residency, applying for citizenship,
>>>>> and a range of other services.
>>>>> Based on my personal experience, USCIS staff are not super
>>>>> knowledgeable about how to execute accommodation for people with
>>>>> disabilities.
>>>>> Immigrant rights organizations are not well-equipped with knowledge on
>>>>> requesting accommodations either based on my experience.
>>>>> Similarly, most people in organizations like NFB are not knowledgeable
>>>>> about immigration related procedures, and are unable to help when
>>>>> their members seek help with immigration related matters.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In regards to why disability and immigration are not separate issues,
>>>>> many people come to U.S. for better medical care or simply better
>>>>> opportunity as people with disabilities. In other words, for some
>>>>> people, having a disability themselves or having a child with
>>>>> disability is primary reason why they forgo the comfort of their
>>>>> homeland and immigrate to the U.S. even when (in some cases) they risk
>>>>> being undocumented because U.S. offers better medical care and
>>>>> educational opportunities than their home country.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On another note, I would like to note that NFB is not the only
>>>>> disability rights advocacy organization that  is taking a stance on
>>>>> DACA repeal.
>>>>> 
>>>>> National Council on Independent Living expressed its stance on this
>>>>> article:
>>>>> http://www.advocacymonitor.com/ncil-condemns-the-decision-to-end-daca/
>>>>> 
>>>>> Miso
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 9/24/17, Sarah via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Miso, please explain more about your immigration process. (You may do
>>>>>> so privately if you wish.) This is something that I for one would
>>>>>> like to understand more about. How was this impacted by your
>>>>>> blindness and what do immigration organizations need to know? I think
>>>>>> that what you say here is extremely valuable, and while I agree thhat
>>>>>> educating other organizations will take a long time I also think it
>>>>>> is part of what we need to do. I work with other organizations that
>>>>>> support immigrant rights in various ways, and I would like to educate
>>>>>> them as much as possible.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Rev. Sarah Blake LaRose
>>>>>> http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
>>>>>> Accessible instruction in Biblical languages
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso
>>>>>> Kwak via NABS-L
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 6:35 PM
>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Cc: Miso Kwak <misokwak12 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>> Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Joe and others who may share his sentiments, I would like to preface
>>>>>> this email by saying that I am neither an expert, nor deeply involved
>>>>>> in NFB leadership.
>>>>>> However, I am also a naturalized citizen, who self-identify as a 1.5
>>>>>> generation immigrant.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So, for those who argue that disability and immigration are two
>>>>>> completely separate issues, I am here as one of many living
>>>>>> counterexamples to that argument.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If NFB or any other organization for that matter claims to be a
>>>>>> consumer organization promoting the blind to live the lives they
>>>>>> want, I think it is the organization's responsibility to stand with
>>>>>> blind people who are affected by such major policy as DACA repeal.
>>>>>> Bluntly speaking, regardless of one's view on whether DACA should be
>>>>>> allowed or not, it is fact that with the repeal of DACA, blind people
>>>>>> who are DACA recepients cannot live the lives they want, figuratively
>>>>>> and literally.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My personal belief is that organizations serving the blind and
>>>>>> immigrant rights organizations must collaborate in order to meet the
>>>>>> needs of blind immigrants. Immigrant rights organization are not
>>>>>> often equipped well enough to understand and serve people with not
>>>>>> just blindness but any other disabilities. My personal experience of
>>>>>> going through the naturalization process is one evidence.
>>>>>> Similarly, organizations that are solely dedicated to serving people
>>>>>> with disabilities are often poorly equipped with the ability and
>>>>>> sensitivity to serve immigrants (whether the immigration was legal or
>>>>>> not)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am afraid it may take too long to see collaboration between
>>>>>> disability focused organization and immigrant rights organization,
>>>>>> but I believe NFB's effort to learn more about the blind people
>>>>>> affected by the repeal of DACA is a necessary first step forward.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Miso Kwak
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 9/24/17, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> Joe,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'll try to be nonpartisan here. The DACA is a major thing impacting
>>>>>>> all those immigrants in it.
>>>>>>> I would guess it may impact blind  people more in the following ways:
>>>>>>> 1. It may impact their ability to receive state vocational rehab
>>>>>>> services that we all get or can get.
>>>>>>> 2. Unemployment among any immigrant population is hindered by  the
>>>>>>> language
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> barriers. I  have seen it firsthand.
>>>>>>> While most people can go out and grab low wage jobs, blind people
>>>>>>> are excluded from these service sector jobs which require little
>>>>>>> language skills. Immigrants including dreamers partake in these jobs
>>>>>>> such as housekeeping staff at hotels, cleaning facilities in public
>>>>>>> areas such as our colleges and universities, painting houses, and of
>>>>>>> course lawn services.
>>>>>>> Blind people who cannot fluently read and write english are more
>>>>>>> negatively
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> impacted. When an immigrant I know tried to take ESL classes at
>>>>>>> Northern virginia community college, it is my understanding he could
>>>>>>> not follow the class due to the visual nature of it such as pictures
>>>>>>> in workbooks. And, of
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> course Nova is terrible at accomodations and failed to help this
>>>>>>> student with special needs succeed.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 3. Blind Dreamers may also have a harder time securing other
>>>>>>> government services.
>>>>>>> 4. Dreamers may be denied other services their fellow dreamers can
>>>>>>> partake of.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm glad NFB is taking this up.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yes it is true we are vastly underemployed in general. It is true we
>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ways to go in that area for all Americans.
>>>>>>> I think a huge hindrance to employment is accessibility of software.
>>>>>>> I've seen it firsthand. I'm hoping NFB will make headway in advocacy
>>>>>>> for accessibility sooner than later.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Its also true that none of the NFB national resolutions spoke of
>>>>>>> this issue.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> However, I believe the resolutions were written prior to Mr. Trump's
>>>>>>> decision.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Its something to ask the national office if you are still curious.
>>>>>>> I'm a naturalized citizen too, and I definitely understand your
>>>>>>> concerns.
>>>>>>> As a naturalized citizen, I want to be a first class citizen and
>>>>>>> earn my way
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> including participating in the workforce but so far many barriers
>>>>>>> have hindered me such as attitudes of employers and accessibility of
>>>>>>> third party
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> software.
>>>>>>> However, Dreamers have unique needs and challenges which I, as a
>>>>>>> naturalized
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> citizen growing up here in American public schools, do not have.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Good questions.
>>>>>>> I look forward to the outcome of such studies NFB conducts.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Joe via NABS-L
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 7:06 PM
>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>> Cc: Joe
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>>> Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This post has been gnawing at me for over a week. Maybe someone can
>>>>>>> help me understand our rationale in getting involved in an issue
>>>>>>> that is clearly partisan.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My understanding is that the NFB seeks to enable all blind
>>>>>>> individuals to live the life they want, irrespective of immigration
>>>>>>> status. No argument here. I appreciate the work we do to provide
>>>>>>> equal opportunities for everyone--regardless of their legal status,
>>>>>>> which ought not to be any of our business anyway, and regardless of
>>>>>>> their membership in our organization.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> But now we're talking about devoting already limited resources to
>>>>>>> better inform policymakers about the administration's decision to
>>>>>>> rescind the DACA program. I don't understand how this became a
>>>>>>> priority.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Why are we suddenly interested in providing assistance to
>>>>>>> beneficiaries of the DACA program? If we are doing our work
>>>>>>> correctly, then one could argue the affected blind beneficiaries are
>>>>>>> already being served.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Why would we collect statistical analyses on the unemployment rate
>>>>>>> of the blind before and after the DACA program when we barely have a
>>>>>>> handle on the unemployment rate among the majority of blind Americans?
>>>>>>> If the general statistics are accurate, then the unemployment rate
>>>>>>> among the blind is somewhere in the neighborhood of 75%. I don't
>>>>>>> understand why our limited resources would not be devoted to solving
>>>>>>> for the employment needs of all blind Americans as opposed to the
>>>>>>> needs of the few. The fact we are largely excluded from the vast
>>>>>>> majority of minimum wage jobs accessible to the rest of the
>>>>>>> population should be of greater concern than the consequences of a
>>>>>>> program that was legally and constitutionally controversial to start.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The DACA program is not likely to result in mass deportations and
>>>>>>> other grim predictions forecasted by one side of the highly
>>>>>>> polarizing issue. The point is part of a larger debate on immigration
>>>>>>> reform.
>>>>>>> Congress should enact legislation the way it should have done when
>>>>>>> the legislative measure was originally proposed under President Bush
>>>>>>> in 2007, and to be fair, a bipartisan effort is underway to provide
>>>>>>> at least a three-year reprieve to the affected community. Given the
>>>>>>> convoluted and hotly contested nature of the overarching dialogue on
>>>>>>> the matter, why would the NFB spend its limited political capital
>>>>>>> appearing to take sides on this issue?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Looking through this year's resolutions, I see no mention of
>>>>>>> devoting resources to beneficiaries of the DACA program. How do we
>>>>>>> go about deciding outreach efforts in situations where our mission
>>>>>>> was not directed by the objectives agreed to by our convention?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> To me, the step feels like an opportunistic means of snagging
>>>>>>> attention on an issue that is already steeped in controversy. We are
>>>>>>> already fighting an uphill battle on employment equality for those
>>>>>>> individuals working in sheltered environments. We already face
>>>>>>> educational and employment disparities among highly qualified blind
>>>>>>> permanent residents and citizens, born and naturalized.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> But, perhaps I am missing something. I'm willing to be educated. As
>>>>>>> a naturalized citizen, I understand the benefits of something like
>>>>>>> DACA to get ahead in this country. For that, there are other
>>>>>>> immigration rights consumer groups. We can trust them to take up the
>>>>>>> cry for fair treatment. We can trust them to help undocumented
>>>>>>> individuals find and keep a place in our society. I would like to
>>>>>>> think we place our trust in the NFB to make that society more
>>>>>>> accessible.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From: NFBNet-Members-List
>>>>>>> [mailto:nfbnet-members-list-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of President, National Federation of the Blind via
>>>>>>> NFBNet-Members-List
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:07 AM
>>>>>>> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of
>>>>>>> the Blind Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>>>>>> Importance: High
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> National Federation of the Blind Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> As the principal vehicle for collective action for the blind in the
>>>>>>> United States, the National Federation of the Blind is committed to
>>>>>>> enabling all blind people, irrespective of immigration status, to
>>>>>>> live the lives we want.
>>>>>>> To better inform our current and future advocacy and policy
>>>>>>> strategies, the National Federation of the Blind is collecting the
>>>>>>> following information to better understand the impact of the
>>>>>>> administration's recent decision to rescind the Deferred Action for
>>>>>>> Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program among the blind in the United
>>>>>>> States.
>>>>>>> The information collected will be used to:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 1. Identify DREAMers who are blind in order to better understand the
>>>>>>> impact on blind people and help inform the National Federation of
>>>>>>> the Blind regarding ways the organization can best provide assistance.
>>>>>>> 2. Develop an aggregate summary of the blind people in the United
>>>>>>> States who participate in the DACA program, which can be shared with
>>>>>>> government officials, advocates, and other interested parties.
>>>>>>> 3. Develop statistical analyses on the unemployment rate among the
>>>>>>> blind before and after the establishment of the DACA program.
>>>>>>> 4. Highlight general narratives of blind people living the lives
>>>>>>> they want because of the DACA program.
>>>>>>> 5. Coordinate a community of blind DACA recipients in order to
>>>>>>> maximize the resources available.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If you or someone you know is blind and receives DACA benefits,
>>>>>>> please complete the National Federation of the Blind DACA form at
>>>>>>> the below links (available in Spanish and English), or share this
>>>>>>> information with them. If you know of a DREAMer who does not have
>>>>>>> internet access, we would appreciate your helping them complete the
>>>>>>> form.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Spanish NFB DACA form: https://nfb.org/daca-es English NFB DACA form:
>>>>>>> https://nfb.org/daca
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Together with love, hope, and determination, the National Federation
>>>>>>> of the Blind transforms dreams into reality. Through this effort we
>>>>>>> seek to support the hopes and dreams of blind people seeking to be
>>>>>>> fully contributing members of our nation.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Mark A. Riccobono, President
>>>>>>> 200 East Wells Street, Baltimore, MD 21230
>>>>>>> (410) 659-9314 | Officeofthepresident at nfb.org
>>>>>>> Twitter: @Riccobono
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> <https://nfb.org/> Image removed by sender. National Federation of
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>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> The National Federation of the Blind is a community of members and
>>>>>>> friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation's blind.
>>>>>>> Every day we work together to help blind people live the lives they
>>>>>>> want.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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From personal.edward at gmail.com  Tue Sep 26 23:43:30 2017
From: personal.edward at gmail.com (Edward Shaham)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 19:43:30 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] I am looking for awesome recipes
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Hello all,

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From misokwak12 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 27 05:26:52 2017
From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 22:26:52 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind Is
 Seeking to Support DREAMers
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@Joe,
You said, "We want to
 analyze employment challenges for DACA beneficiaries when we barely
 understand the employment challenges for the rest of the community?"

My understanding is that NFB is not necessarily taking a stab at
helping the problem of unemployment of blind DACA holders. From my
understanding, what DACA holders (blind or sighted) practically need the most
right now is renewing their DACA status especially if it expires
before March 2017, and lobbying the Congress to pass the Dream Act.
Employment is a secondary, consequential issue in my understanding.
Also my understanding is that NFB is not necessarily lobbying for the
Dream Act, but rather just trying to learn more about blind DACA
holder population and their experience.

Because I am not personally affected by the repeal of DACA, I lack
specific experience here but I wonder if there might be any challenge
that blind DACA holders may face in trying to renew their DACA status.
Assuming that blind immigrants (including DACA holders) can get their
immigration specific needs taken care of on their own and only with
immigrant rights organization is immature in my opinion.

Secondly, sure it could be argued that the primary focus of the NFB is
helping blind people get employed (regardless of their immigration
status as you and some others may say). To me, the argument that NFB
resources
should not be allocated for specific needs of blind DACA holders
sounds like something
only people who are privileged in certain ways can say.

Miso

On 9/26/17, Jessica Hodges via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello.
> I have seen people try to learn English as a second language, and can
> safely say resources to do this as a blind individual are much less than
> most ESL learners, as much of the typical teaching style is in pictures.
> And while it isn't unique to DACA beneficiaries, it is a very large
> segment of ESL learners. Therefore, I believe the support is justified,
> and support the other views being voiced in this thread in their
> defense. I would also point out that many of the barriers are not merely
> democratic. their are often physical and societal barriers in the way as
> well, and i think a lot have help can be had without breaking our
> mission. Also, we are a minority. It makes sense to try and help others
> in said minority when they need it, and now, I'd say there's a need.
>
> Jessica.
>
> On 9/26/2017 1:01 PM, Joe Orozco via NABS-L wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> @ Sarah:
>>
>> Forgive me. My intent was not to advance this idea that the NFB should
>> wash its hands of the immigration problem altogether. As I previously
>> wrote, if there are deficiencies in the bureaucratic application
>> process owed to equal access, the NFB should absolutely get involved
>> and eliminate those challenges. As to the issue of language
>> proficiency, I would argue that is a problem that transcends the DACA
>> debate. I agree learning English can be challenging, but that problem
>> is not unique to DACA beneficiaries. The issue ought to be explored
>> through a neutral lens that takes into account the difficulties in
>> learning English itself and not through the polarizing view that DACA
>> represents. While I can absolutely appreciate that the blindness
>> community is as diverse as its broader counterpart, at some point it
>> is worth asking ourselves if we are advocating for the blind
>> individual or the blind individual who is also undocumented. It's that
>> secondary step that could inhibit our ability to be effective at the
>> first goal, and if we are not effective at meeting the basic needs of
>> the blind individual, we are certainly not going to be great at
>> meeting the unique needs of so many other segments of society that are
>> independent of blindness.
>>
>> @ Roanna:
>>
>> No argument here. The discussion is important. Understanding the issue
>> is important. Devoting resources to it? That's where I'm getting
>> stuck. We do not have infinite staff, time, and money. If we could
>> succeed at cracking the unemployment problem for all blind people, we
>> might actually make it possible for DACA beneficiaries to enjoy a
>> better life after they graduate college. Why is it that in 2017, a
>> blind person's employment choices are either professional white collar
>> or blind-friendly? There are broad segments of the employment sector
>> we have not successfully penetrated despite advances in technology and
>> NFB training. Maybe that is the piece of this initiative that is
>> inhibiting my own ability to take a long view on this item. We want to
>> analyze employment challenges for DACA beneficiaries when we barely
>> understand the employment challenges for the rest of the community?
>>
>> @ Tyler:
>>
>> I never said our work should only concentrate on blind citizens. My
>> position has always been to advocate for everyone, regardless of DACA
>> eligibility.
>>
>> DACA did not inhibit a blind person's ability to make a living in the
>> United States. An increasing number of states and local municipalities
>> were already offering benefits to undocumented persons before DACA was
>> ever enacted. Again I ask, what do you think the thousands of
>> undocumented people were doing before 2012?
>>
>> No, I've already admitted learning English is not easy, but nor is it
>> unique to DACA beneficiaries.
>>
>> I'm going to assume your example of picking up trash on the side of
>> the street to earn money to pay for language courses was sarcasm. If I
>> were a liberal, I would pounce on that point to ask what the harm is
>> in trash collection as a profession? As a conservative, I would
>> applaud the opportunity for blind people to be able to equally
>> participate in that line of work as a means to get off government
>> assistance and improve their lot in life.
>>
>> Will learning the language be costly? Yes, but, well, it's going to be
>> costly for everyone. Should we extend unique advantages to someone
>> just because they are undocumented?
>>
>> Again, no argument on the accessibility to the paperwork. If that is
>> an issue, we should help. I'm not sure to whom that responsibility
>> would fall. Local chapters? A division? Our legal counsel? I'm sure
>> that could be sorted out.
>>
>> To a certain extent, we can agree this is not a black and white issue.
>> For me though, the gray has everything to do with new arrivals in the
>> country, and even challenges with learning the language, and little to
>> do with the controversial policy issued by a former president
>> interested in bypassing Congress.
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>> On 9/26/17, Littlefield, Tyler via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> I want to address some of Joe's points, because they're worth discussion
>>> here.
>>>
>>> While we do have a small scope and our work should apply to advocacy,
>>> that does not mean that the NFB as an organization should be only
>>> focused on blind people who are citizens; issues that affect blind
>>> people within this country are our focus and should be. You say that
>>> removal of DACA does not prevent those people from living the life they
>>> want, but it most certanly does if that also revokes and puts into
>>> question their legal status; as someone who was under DACA, they had the
>>> chance for a future here that will not be provided them otherwise.
>>>
>>> Also although you brush over it, learning English for everyone is not an
>>> easy job, and depending on your resources is not always going to be the
>>> first thing people do. Those classes cost money--and I'm sure that you
>>> have a way for them to raise it, perhaps by picking up trash on the
>>> street or something else just as unlikely, but the reality is that those
>>> classes are costly. If you're blind and new to the country, you're also
>>> going to potentially run into access barriers, which again is where the
>>> NFB can help.
>>>
>>> Finally and perhaps most importantly is your claim that filling out
>>> these forms is straight-forward and accessible. I know many people who
>>> have immigrated to the country, many of whom are sighted and speak
>>> fairly good English and filling out these forms was certainly not a
>>> cakewalk for them. If you want to add to that mix the fact that someone
>>> who is blind from another country may not be exposed to screen-reading
>>> software or have access to a system with a screen reader built in, or
>>> may have been provided paper forms, or any of the above with the
>>> combined note that they haven't taken the dive to become "more
>>> employable" in your mind and learned English, this process is going to
>>> be much more complex.
>>>
>>> These issues affect people in different ways, and stating that people
>>> should do x for y to occur without looking at the underlying issues and
>>> understanding that there may be barriers that prevent that is going to
>>> cause problems. This is not a solution in black and white where there
>>> exists only one way out.
>>> On 9/26/2017 9:57 AM, Sarah via NABS-L wrote:
>>>> Joe, perhaps the diversity of experiences that people are having with
>>>> immigration is why the discussion needs to be had. If you found it easy
>>>> to
>>>> navigate the process and Miso did not, what were the differences in
>>>> your
>>>> two experiences? Were they language-based? Were they differences that
>>>> actually did have to do with blindness, e.g. technology you were able
>>>> to
>>>> obtain that she was not, tech that did not support her language at the
>>>> time, etc? Yes, learning English should be a goal for anyone entering
>>>> this
>>>> country. I am a language professor... You might be surprised how many
>>>> emails I field from people who are seeking ways to teach English
>>>> effectively to refugees, specifically to teach English reading skills.
>>>> For
>>>> some people, learning English is not an easy process, especially if
>>>> they
>>>> come from a country where blindness is treated as a condition that
>>>> means
>>>> you are cared for instead of employable. The NFB really does need to
>>>> consider what impact blindness has on immigration and refugees; and I
>>>> think that it will not be the same impact for each individual who
>>>> enters
>>>> this country. We have the potential to be able to work collaboratively
>>>> with other agencies or simply to wash our hands and say it isn't our
>>>> business. But it is our business.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rev. Sarah Blake LaRose
>>>> http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
>>>> Accessible instruction in Biblical languages
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe Orozco
>>>> via NABS-L
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 7:57 AM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Joe Orozco <jsoro620 at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind Is
>>>> Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> Interesting points. Let me offer a few rebuttals for the sake of
>>>> discussion. I realize my opposition will not change anything, but
>>>> hopefully the discussion is of some thoughtful value.
>>>>
>>>> @ Ashley:
>>>>
>>>> First, state rehabilitation services are not denied to persons with no
>>>> legal immigration status. DACA did not magically open these services.
>>>>
>>>> Second, language barriers can be a challenge to all persons, not just
>>>> undocumented immigrants. Learning the English language ought to be a
>>>> goal
>>>> for everyone to achieve to be marketable in this employment industry.
>>>>
>>>> Third, what government services would blind DREAMers not be able to
>>>> procure if DACA truly expired? Somehow we have gotten it into our heads
>>>> that before DACA, life was truly dismal for undocumented blind persons.
>>>> Yes, it was challenging, but what do we suppose blind immigrants were
>>>> doing before DACA was enacted under Obama? What do we assume blind
>>>> persons
>>>> over the age of 31 are doing now? If things have truly been that
>>>> critical,
>>>> why have we as a blind movement not acknowledged the epidemic sooner?
>>>>
>>>> You wrote: "4. Dreamers may be denied other services their fellow
>>>> dreamers
>>>> can partake of."
>>>>
>>>> Forgive me. I'm an idiot. What did you mean by this point?
>>>>
>>>> @ Miso:
>>>>
>>>> My point was not so much that disability and immigration are two
>>>> different
>>>> issues. My point is that with limited capital, with limited resources,
>>>> why
>>>> are we pursuing a narrow scope and highly controversial advocacy issue
>>>> when there is already an array of social justice organizations taking
>>>> up
>>>> the cause?
>>>>
>>>> To be clear, DACA is not what keeps a blind person from living the life
>>>> they want. Their legal status is creating that prevention. DACA is, at
>>>> best, a short-term cure for a long-term problem.
>>>>
>>>> Should there be collaboration between disability rights and immigration
>>>> groups? Sure, but that should be part of a general outreach strategy,
>>>> not
>>>> a specific initiative. By your logic, what we really ought to be doing
>>>> to
>>>> help blind undocumented people is provide assistance navigating the
>>>> immigration process, and that isn't really a part of our core mission.
>>>> It's not our expertise, and nor should it be. Our objective is more
>>>> collective.
>>>>
>>>> Could USCIS be more accommodating? I suppose that depends on your
>>>> experience. I navigated the system more than a decade ago. I did so
>>>> independently, without the need for legal counsel or immigration rights
>>>> advocacy. I am by no means suggesting my experience should set the bar
>>>> for
>>>> everyone else's progress, but in terms of website accessibility and
>>>> forms,
>>>> I remember being quite surprised at how straightforward the application
>>>> went. Regardless of my own experiences though, here is a place where
>>>> the
>>>> NFB could insert itself. Government resource accessibility ought to be
>>>> equal for all, not because it affects a segment of society but because
>>>> public resources from any agency are legally bound to be accessible.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, I don't want to belabor the point if I am a minority of one.
>>>> The initiative feels a little random to me, a little too much like the
>>>> eager kid pushing for a place at a table where we do not have strategic
>>>> advantage. If we want to help DACA beneficiaries, the best way to go
>>>> about
>>>> it is by ensuring the equal compensation of all blind workers. We
>>>> should
>>>> ensure equal access to the classroom and workplace for all blind
>>>> students,
>>>> employees and job applicants. Our community is already too small for us
>>>> to
>>>> believe that blind DACA beneficiaries are somehow at a unique
>>>> disadvantage.
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/24/17, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Thank you for asking.
>>>>> For the sake of privacy, I will write without much personal details.
>>>>> In my opinion, one issue is in navigating the process of receiving
>>>>> accommodations when people with disabilities must work with U.S.
>>>>> Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS.) Working with USCIS could
>>>>> include applying for permanent residency, applying for citizenship,
>>>>> and a range of other services.
>>>>> Based on my personal experience, USCIS staff are not super
>>>>> knowledgeable about how to execute accommodation for people with
>>>>> disabilities.
>>>>> Immigrant rights organizations are not well-equipped with knowledge on
>>>>> requesting accommodations either based on my experience.
>>>>> Similarly, most people in organizations like NFB are not knowledgeable
>>>>> about immigration related procedures, and are unable to help when
>>>>> their members seek help with immigration related matters.
>>>>>
>>>>> In regards to why disability and immigration are not separate issues,
>>>>> many people come to U.S. for better medical care or simply better
>>>>> opportunity as people with disabilities. In other words, for some
>>>>> people, having a disability themselves or having a child with
>>>>> disability is primary reason why they forgo the comfort of their
>>>>> homeland and immigrate to the U.S. even when (in some cases) they risk
>>>>> being undocumented because U.S. offers better medical care and
>>>>> educational opportunities than their home country.
>>>>>
>>>>> On another note, I would like to note that NFB is not the only
>>>>> disability rights advocacy organization that  is taking a stance on
>>>>> DACA repeal.
>>>>>
>>>>> National Council on Independent Living expressed its stance on this
>>>>> article:
>>>>> http://www.advocacymonitor.com/ncil-condemns-the-decision-to-end-daca/
>>>>>
>>>>> Miso
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/24/17, Sarah via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Miso, please explain more about your immigration process. (You may do
>>>>>> so privately if you wish.) This is something that I for one would
>>>>>> like to understand more about. How was this impacted by your
>>>>>> blindness and what do immigration organizations need to know? I think
>>>>>> that what you say here is extremely valuable, and while I agree thhat
>>>>>> educating other organizations will take a long time I also think it
>>>>>> is part of what we need to do. I work with other organizations that
>>>>>> support immigrant rights in various ways, and I would like to educate
>>>>>> them as much as possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rev. Sarah Blake LaRose
>>>>>> http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
>>>>>> Accessible instruction in Biblical languages
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso
>>>>>> Kwak via NABS-L
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 6:35 PM
>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Cc: Miso Kwak <misokwak12 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>> Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe and others who may share his sentiments, I would like to preface
>>>>>> this email by saying that I am neither an expert, nor deeply involved
>>>>>> in NFB leadership.
>>>>>> However, I am also a naturalized citizen, who self-identify as a 1.5
>>>>>> generation immigrant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, for those who argue that disability and immigration are two
>>>>>> completely separate issues, I am here as one of many living
>>>>>> counterexamples to that argument.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If NFB or any other organization for that matter claims to be a
>>>>>> consumer organization promoting the blind to live the lives they
>>>>>> want, I think it is the organization's responsibility to stand with
>>>>>> blind people who are affected by such major policy as DACA repeal.
>>>>>> Bluntly speaking, regardless of one's view on whether DACA should be
>>>>>> allowed or not, it is fact that with the repeal of DACA, blind people
>>>>>> who are DACA recepients cannot live the lives they want, figuratively
>>>>>> and literally.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My personal belief is that organizations serving the blind and
>>>>>> immigrant rights organizations must collaborate in order to meet the
>>>>>> needs of blind immigrants. Immigrant rights organization are not
>>>>>> often equipped well enough to understand and serve people with not
>>>>>> just blindness but any other disabilities. My personal experience of
>>>>>> going through the naturalization process is one evidence.
>>>>>> Similarly, organizations that are solely dedicated to serving people
>>>>>> with disabilities are often poorly equipped with the ability and
>>>>>> sensitivity to serve immigrants (whether the immigration was legal or
>>>>>> not)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am afraid it may take too long to see collaboration between
>>>>>> disability focused organization and immigrant rights organization,
>>>>>> but I believe NFB's effort to learn more about the blind people
>>>>>> affected by the repeal of DACA is a necessary first step forward.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Miso Kwak
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/24/17, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> Joe,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll try to be nonpartisan here. The DACA is a major thing impacting
>>>>>>> all those immigrants in it.
>>>>>>> I would guess it may impact blind  people more in the following
>>>>>>> ways:
>>>>>>> 1. It may impact their ability to receive state vocational rehab
>>>>>>> services that we all get or can get.
>>>>>>> 2. Unemployment among any immigrant population is hindered by  the
>>>>>>> language
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> barriers. I  have seen it firsthand.
>>>>>>> While most people can go out and grab low wage jobs, blind people
>>>>>>> are excluded from these service sector jobs which require little
>>>>>>> language skills. Immigrants including dreamers partake in these jobs
>>>>>>> such as housekeeping staff at hotels, cleaning facilities in public
>>>>>>> areas such as our colleges and universities, painting houses, and of
>>>>>>> course lawn services.
>>>>>>> Blind people who cannot fluently read and write english are more
>>>>>>> negatively
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> impacted. When an immigrant I know tried to take ESL classes at
>>>>>>> Northern virginia community college, it is my understanding he could
>>>>>>> not follow the class due to the visual nature of it such as pictures
>>>>>>> in workbooks. And, of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> course Nova is terrible at accomodations and failed to help this
>>>>>>> student with special needs succeed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3. Blind Dreamers may also have a harder time securing other
>>>>>>> government services.
>>>>>>> 4. Dreamers may be denied other services their fellow dreamers can
>>>>>>> partake of.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm glad NFB is taking this up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes it is true we are vastly underemployed in general. It is true we
>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ways to go in that area for all Americans.
>>>>>>> I think a huge hindrance to employment is accessibility of software.
>>>>>>> I've seen it firsthand. I'm hoping NFB will make headway in advocacy
>>>>>>> for accessibility sooner than later.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Its also true that none of the NFB national resolutions spoke of
>>>>>>> this issue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, I believe the resolutions were written prior to Mr. Trump's
>>>>>>> decision.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Its something to ask the national office if you are still curious.
>>>>>>> I'm a naturalized citizen too, and I definitely understand your
>>>>>>> concerns.
>>>>>>> As a naturalized citizen, I want to be a first class citizen and
>>>>>>> earn my way
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> including participating in the workforce but so far many barriers
>>>>>>> have hindered me such as attitudes of employers and accessibility of
>>>>>>> third party
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> software.
>>>>>>> However, Dreamers have unique needs and challenges which I, as a
>>>>>>> naturalized
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> citizen growing up here in American public schools, do not have.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good questions.
>>>>>>> I look forward to the outcome of such studies NFB conducts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Joe via NABS-L
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 7:06 PM
>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>> Cc: Joe
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>>> Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This post has been gnawing at me for over a week. Maybe someone can
>>>>>>> help me understand our rationale in getting involved in an issue
>>>>>>> that is clearly partisan.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My understanding is that the NFB seeks to enable all blind
>>>>>>> individuals to live the life they want, irrespective of immigration
>>>>>>> status. No argument here. I appreciate the work we do to provide
>>>>>>> equal opportunities for everyone--regardless of their legal status,
>>>>>>> which ought not to be any of our business anyway, and regardless of
>>>>>>> their membership in our organization.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But now we're talking about devoting already limited resources to
>>>>>>> better inform policymakers about the administration's decision to
>>>>>>> rescind the DACA program. I don't understand how this became a
>>>>>>> priority.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why are we suddenly interested in providing assistance to
>>>>>>> beneficiaries of the DACA program? If we are doing our work
>>>>>>> correctly, then one could argue the affected blind beneficiaries are
>>>>>>> already being served.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why would we collect statistical analyses on the unemployment rate
>>>>>>> of the blind before and after the DACA program when we barely have a
>>>>>>> handle on the unemployment rate among the majority of blind
>>>>>>> Americans?
>>>>>>> If the general statistics are accurate, then the unemployment rate
>>>>>>> among the blind is somewhere in the neighborhood of 75%. I don't
>>>>>>> understand why our limited resources would not be devoted to solving
>>>>>>> for the employment needs of all blind Americans as opposed to the
>>>>>>> needs of the few. The fact we are largely excluded from the vast
>>>>>>> majority of minimum wage jobs accessible to the rest of the
>>>>>>> population should be of greater concern than the consequences of a
>>>>>>> program that was legally and constitutionally controversial to
>>>>>>> start.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The DACA program is not likely to result in mass deportations and
>>>>>>> other grim predictions forecasted by one side of the highly
>>>>>>> polarizing issue. The point is part of a larger debate on
>>>>>>> immigration
>>>>>>> reform.
>>>>>>> Congress should enact legislation the way it should have done when
>>>>>>> the legislative measure was originally proposed under President Bush
>>>>>>> in 2007, and to be fair, a bipartisan effort is underway to provide
>>>>>>> at least a three-year reprieve to the affected community. Given the
>>>>>>> convoluted and hotly contested nature of the overarching dialogue on
>>>>>>> the matter, why would the NFB spend its limited political capital
>>>>>>> appearing to take sides on this issue?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looking through this year's resolutions, I see no mention of
>>>>>>> devoting resources to beneficiaries of the DACA program. How do we
>>>>>>> go about deciding outreach efforts in situations where our mission
>>>>>>> was not directed by the objectives agreed to by our convention?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To me, the step feels like an opportunistic means of snagging
>>>>>>> attention on an issue that is already steeped in controversy. We are
>>>>>>> already fighting an uphill battle on employment equality for those
>>>>>>> individuals working in sheltered environments. We already face
>>>>>>> educational and employment disparities among highly qualified blind
>>>>>>> permanent residents and citizens, born and naturalized.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But, perhaps I am missing something. I'm willing to be educated. As
>>>>>>> a naturalized citizen, I understand the benefits of something like
>>>>>>> DACA to get ahead in this country. For that, there are other
>>>>>>> immigration rights consumer groups. We can trust them to take up the
>>>>>>> cry for fair treatment. We can trust them to help undocumented
>>>>>>> individuals find and keep a place in our society. I would like to
>>>>>>> think we place our trust in the NFB to make that society more
>>>>>>> accessible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: NFBNet-Members-List
>>>>>>> [mailto:nfbnet-members-list-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of President, National Federation of the Blind via
>>>>>>> NFBNet-Members-List
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:07 AM
>>>>>>> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of
>>>>>>> the Blind Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>>>>>> Importance: High
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> National Federation of the Blind Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As the principal vehicle for collective action for the blind in the
>>>>>>> United States, the National Federation of the Blind is committed to
>>>>>>> enabling all blind people, irrespective of immigration status, to
>>>>>>> live the lives we want.
>>>>>>> To better inform our current and future advocacy and policy
>>>>>>> strategies, the National Federation of the Blind is collecting the
>>>>>>> following information to better understand the impact of the
>>>>>>> administration's recent decision to rescind the Deferred Action for
>>>>>>> Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program among the blind in the United
>>>>>>> States.
>>>>>>> The information collected will be used to:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Identify DREAMers who are blind in order to better understand the
>>>>>>> impact on blind people and help inform the National Federation of
>>>>>>> the Blind regarding ways the organization can best provide
>>>>>>> assistance.
>>>>>>> 2. Develop an aggregate summary of the blind people in the United
>>>>>>> States who participate in the DACA program, which can be shared with
>>>>>>> government officials, advocates, and other interested parties.
>>>>>>> 3. Develop statistical analyses on the unemployment rate among the
>>>>>>> blind before and after the establishment of the DACA program.
>>>>>>> 4. Highlight general narratives of blind people living the lives
>>>>>>> they want because of the DACA program.
>>>>>>> 5. Coordinate a community of blind DACA recipients in order to
>>>>>>> maximize the resources available.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you or someone you know is blind and receives DACA benefits,
>>>>>>> please complete the National Federation of the Blind DACA form at
>>>>>>> the below links (available in Spanish and English), or share this
>>>>>>> information with them. If you know of a DREAMer who does not have
>>>>>>> internet access, we would appreciate your helping them complete the
>>>>>>> form.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Spanish NFB DACA form: https://nfb.org/daca-es English NFB DACA
>>>>>>> form:
>>>>>>> https://nfb.org/daca
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Together with love, hope, and determination, the National Federation
>>>>>>> of the Blind transforms dreams into reality. Through this effort we
>>>>>>> seek to support the hopes and dreams of blind people seeking to be
>>>>>>> fully contributing members of our nation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mark A. Riccobono, President
>>>>>>> 200 East Wells Street, Baltimore, MD 21230
>>>>>>> (410) 659-9314 | Officeofthepresident at nfb.org
>>>>>>> Twitter: @Riccobono
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://nfb.org/> Image removed by sender. National Federation of
>>>>>>> the Blind
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <http://www.facebook.com/nationalfederationoftheblind> Image removed
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> sender. Facebook     <https://twitter.com/NFB_Voice> Image removed
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> sender. Twitter     <https://www.youtube.com/NationsBlind> Image
>>>>>>> removed
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> sender. Youtube
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The National Federation of the Blind is a community of members and
>>>>>>> friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation's blind.
>>>>>>> Every day we work together to help blind people live the lives they
>>>>>>> want.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> il
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Miso Kwak
>>>>>> University of California, Los Angeles | 2017 Psychology B.A. |
>>>>>> Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
>>>>>> (909) 660-1897
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>> l.com
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Miso Kwak
>>>>> University of California, Los Angeles | 2017 Psychology B.A. |
>>>>> Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
>>>>> (909) 660-1897
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> om
>>>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> Take Care,
>>> Tyler Littlefield
>>>
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>>> solutions. <http://tylerlittlefield.me> My personal site
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-- 
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University of California, Los Angeles | 2017
Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
(909) 660-1897


From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 27 12:54:58 2017
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 08:54:58 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Outreach call
In-Reply-To: <A67EF0A4-930A-48C1-ABED-16089F0779CA@gmail.com>
References: <A67EF0A4-930A-48C1-ABED-16089F0779CA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJTqpvQjYYmrgrFYAwWxQ2306ySSmWZe3UUYFKG9mZHN+wnysw@mail.gmail.com>

Is it at 7 or 8?

On Sep 25, 2017 09:42, "Tarik Williams via NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

>
> Hello Students,
>
> The Outreach committee will be having our monthly call on Wednesday,
> September 27. During this call, we will be going over some of the ideas and
> plans we had from our call last month.  We will be talking about different
> kinds of ways to have some more interactions with students and how to
> improve our student outreach.  In the outreach committee,  we want to grow
> as much as possible but we can only do that with your help!  Our committee
> call will once again be this Wednesday at nine o clock eastern.  The
> calling information is as follows:
>
>
> Call: 712-770-5197
> Access code: 265669
>
>
> All the best,
>
>
> Tarik Williams
> Board Member of the National Association Of Blind Students
> Chair of the Outreach Committee
>
>
> “Potential is only Unachieved Greatness”
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> _______________________________________________
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> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NABS-L:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/
> nesmaaly123%40gmail.com
>

From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 27 13:24:31 2017
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 09:24:31 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Getting a Request Denied by Voc Rehab
In-Reply-To: <8CD0B93A-B9BF-43A7-B33A-AE1FE9DD7FE4@icloud.com>
References: <59ca6b96.c9adca0a.11ccb.5297@mx.google.com>
	<FD209A99-4000-4099-93ED-809DC19F6585@gmail.com>
	<8CD0B93A-B9BF-43A7-B33A-AE1FE9DD7FE4@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <6FFE9062-4967-4A72-8EB3-2B0B621B4319@gmail.com>

?How did you fix the situation

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 26, 2017, at 11:37 AM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Yes I got a Braille writter denied last October 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 26, 2017, at 11:06 AM, Santiago via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, 
>> I haven't been denied any requests from the department of rehab here in California. I currently have a BrailleSense U2, but I am considering trying to ask them if I can be upgraded to the new BrailleSense Polaris. I mainly use my computer at school though, so having a more compact stand-alone braille display to use with it would be more useful for me. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 26, 2017, at 8:00 AM, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear Students,
>>> 
>>> I hope your Fall 2017 semester is off to a great start.  As many of you may know, I am thinking about upgrading from the BrailleNote Apex to the BrailleNote Touch.  Last week I contacted my Division of Blind Services counselor and gave her a detailed explanation about the features of the BrailleNote Touch, and how I would use it on the job.  I also stated that I would use it for leisure tasks such as browsing the web, sending and receiving emails, listening to music, scheduling appointments, and reading books using the Bard Mobile app which I successfully downloaded from the Apple app store last week.  I already downloaded my first book from Bard on my IPad.  This morning I received an email from Dbs stating that my request to upgrade to the BrailleNote Touch was denied because I do not have a job.  Have any of you had requests denied by your vocational rehabilitation agencies? Hope to hear from you soon.
>>> 
>>> Roanna Bacchus
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/santiago.blue.hernandez%40gmail.com
>> 
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40icloud.com
> 
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From eemcrew at gmail.com  Wed Sep 27 13:40:52 2017
From: eemcrew at gmail.com (Ellana Crew)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 09:40:52 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Outreach call
In-Reply-To: <CAJTqpvQjYYmrgrFYAwWxQ2306ySSmWZe3UUYFKG9mZHN+wnysw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A67EF0A4-930A-48C1-ABED-16089F0779CA@gmail.com>
	<CAJTqpvQjYYmrgrFYAwWxQ2306ySSmWZe3UUYFKG9mZHN+wnysw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1BB4502E-BCAB-4556-8304-2482BF3E9C16@gmail.com>

Hey Nesma,

The call will be tonight at 9 PM eastern!

Ellana Crew, Vice President
Maryland Association of Blind Students
Website: nfbmd.org/students
Facebook: facebook.com/mdabs.federation
Twitter: @MDABS_NFB

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.

> On Sep 27, 2017, at 8:54 AM, nesma aly via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Is it at 7 or 8?
> 
> On Sep 25, 2017 09:42, "Tarik Williams via NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hello Students,
>> 
>> The Outreach committee will be having our monthly call on Wednesday,
>> September 27. During this call, we will be going over some of the ideas and
>> plans we had from our call last month.  We will be talking about different
>> kinds of ways to have some more interactions with students and how to
>> improve our student outreach.  In the outreach committee,  we want to grow
>> as much as possible but we can only do that with your help!  Our committee
>> call will once again be this Wednesday at nine o clock eastern.  The
>> calling information is as follows:
>> 
>> 
>> Call: 712-770-5197
>> Access code: 265669
>> 
>> 
>> All the best,
>> 
>> 
>> Tarik Williams
>> Board Member of the National Association Of Blind Students
>> Chair of the Outreach Committee
>> 
>> 
>> “Potential is only Unachieved Greatness”
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/
>> nesmaaly123%40gmail.com
>> 
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
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From eemcrew at gmail.com  Wed Sep 27 15:23:48 2017
From: eemcrew at gmail.com (Ellana Crew)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 11:23:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Get Connected, See How It's Done,
 and Do It for Free: Become A Mentee in the 2017 MDABS Mentorship
 Program!
References: <EAFA2C31-7CC5-41A7-8686-7E4C156349A0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <362C1583-C494-42EE-92DB-2D08794D3703@gmail.com>

Begin forwarded message:

> Good morning MDABS!
> 
> Have you ever just wanted to get the answers from somebody who's already done it? Do you wonder if blind people are even able to do some of the things you want to do? Have you ever asked yourself "What's the big deal about these conventions, anyway?" If you're looking for answers but don't know where to get them, we have a solution for you!
> 
> This year, MDABS is proud to announce our 2017 convention mentorship program to give students the chance to get to know a blind mentor who is already doing what you're not sure you can do and to give you the chance to come to the NFB of Maryland state convention completely free of charge! That's right, we want to give you the opportunity to come to the convention without paying a dime, and to do it with the help of an experienced blind mentor who can show you the ropes! All you have to do is fill out the quick Google form and you'll get the chance to come to Towson in November and see all of the wonderful things state convention and the hotel have to offer, and someone to guide you through the whole process and answer those difficult questions.
> 
> "How can I get through my statistics class?"
> "How am I supposed to dress for each day?"
> "What do these resolutions even mean?"
> 
> If you become a mentee, MDABS will cover...
> — Your hotel room
> — Your banquet ticket
> — Convention registration fee
> 
> The convention will be taking place from Friday, November 10 through Sunday, November 12 at the Sheraton Baltimore north Hotel in Towson, Maryland and you won't want to miss it! MDABS will be having our annual student seminar, going out to lunch, and maybe even planning a special social event just for mentors and mentees. At this year's convention will also be an event we are calling a carnival, a crab brace, and of course our formal banquet as the weekend's finale! And don't forget the hotel's indoor pool. :) You won't want to miss it and we won't want to miss you.
> 
> Fill out our short Google form and get your hands on everything state convention and the NFB of Maryland have to offer!
> 
> Mentee application:
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeqaEeifJ5igC69fgwUQU_9i_HwhJBwgx65iH7SpbdAn29j5Q/viewform?c=0&w=1
> 
> Ellana Crew, Vice President
> Maryland Association of Blind Students
> Website: nfbmd.org/students
> Facebook: facebook.com/mdabs.federation
> Twitter: @MDABS_NFB
> 
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
> 
> 
> Ellana Crew, Vice President
> Maryland Association of Blind Students
> Website: nfbmd.org/students
> Facebook: facebook.com/mdabs.federation
> Twitter: @MDABS_NFB
> 
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.

From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 27 16:29:26 2017
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 12:29:26 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind Is
 Seeking to Support DREAMers
In-Reply-To: <CAMe9x_HMgCf_3sWSARiKLE0teuSbNXcGxBtaB0kGKGW7cvFU=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <028e01d334c0$a1311530$e3933f90$@gmail.com>
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	<CAMe9x_G+eXM3O6+NM5OZbaRTzEc0jv=tUpOewkQDnfu=++rHCQ@mail.gmail.com>
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	<006e01d336cf$55523f20$fff6bd60$@sarahblakelarose.com>
	<95750f18-479c-f9ef-a925-ece2ffd8835a@tysdomain.com>
	<CAMEPVZ7-zqPZd2gV8UCaNiyKgpDaNRtVbKDSVSVyPu2JDkqejw@mail.gmail.com>
	<adc5e5c7-8c32-7ec1-84e8-3cae1ae1eb9b@gmail.com>
	<CAMe9x_HMgCf_3sWSARiKLE0teuSbNXcGxBtaB0kGKGW7cvFU=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMEPVZ77CryqtzTv0d4uPFBcpqrFO-YY1158Yt2OhvS2kTkPLA@mail.gmail.com>

Miso,

Surely we can have a reasonable discussion without resorting to
insults about maturity and assumptions about another person’s
perceived privileges. It seems rational to me that a blind person
interested in renewing their DACA status would be better off doing so
with the assistance of an organization or legal counsel with the
expertise to advocate on the immigration front. Our expertise is
blindness, not immigration. Ideally, the person could lean on those
resources to obtain permanent residence status and avoid the
uncertainty of a controversial program altogether. As to service to
the blind community as a whole, regardless of immigration status, that
seems a reasonable position regardless of my privileges. I did not
follow the logic there, but again I confess to being something of a
simpleton and could just be missing your point. At any rate,
interesting discussion, and I appreciate your having taken the time to
engage me.

Sincerely,

Joe


On 9/27/17, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> @Joe,
> You said, "We want to
>  analyze employment challenges for DACA beneficiaries when we barely
>  understand the employment challenges for the rest of the community?"
>
> My understanding is that NFB is not necessarily taking a stab at
> helping the problem of unemployment of blind DACA holders. From my
> understanding, what DACA holders (blind or sighted) practically need the
> most
> right now is renewing their DACA status especially if it expires
> before March 2017, and lobbying the Congress to pass the Dream Act.
> Employment is a secondary, consequential issue in my understanding.
> Also my understanding is that NFB is not necessarily lobbying for the
> Dream Act, but rather just trying to learn more about blind DACA
> holder population and their experience.
>
> Because I am not personally affected by the repeal of DACA, I lack
> specific experience here but I wonder if there might be any challenge
> that blind DACA holders may face in trying to renew their DACA status.
> Assuming that blind immigrants (including DACA holders) can get their
> immigration specific needs taken care of on their own and only with
> immigrant rights organization is immature in my opinion.
>
> Secondly, sure it could be argued that the primary focus of the NFB is
> helping blind people get employed (regardless of their immigration
> status as you and some others may say). To me, the argument that NFB
> resources
> should not be allocated for specific needs of blind DACA holders
> sounds like something
> only people who are privileged in certain ways can say.
>
> Miso
>
> On 9/26/17, Jessica Hodges via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello.
>> I have seen people try to learn English as a second language, and can
>> safely say resources to do this as a blind individual are much less than
>> most ESL learners, as much of the typical teaching style is in pictures.
>> And while it isn't unique to DACA beneficiaries, it is a very large
>> segment of ESL learners. Therefore, I believe the support is justified,
>> and support the other views being voiced in this thread in their
>> defense. I would also point out that many of the barriers are not merely
>> democratic. their are often physical and societal barriers in the way as
>> well, and i think a lot have help can be had without breaking our
>> mission. Also, we are a minority. It makes sense to try and help others
>> in said minority when they need it, and now, I'd say there's a need.
>>
>> Jessica.
>>
>> On 9/26/2017 1:01 PM, Joe Orozco via NABS-L wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> @ Sarah:
>>>
>>> Forgive me. My intent was not to advance this idea that the NFB should
>>> wash its hands of the immigration problem altogether. As I previously
>>> wrote, if there are deficiencies in the bureaucratic application
>>> process owed to equal access, the NFB should absolutely get involved
>>> and eliminate those challenges. As to the issue of language
>>> proficiency, I would argue that is a problem that transcends the DACA
>>> debate. I agree learning English can be challenging, but that problem
>>> is not unique to DACA beneficiaries. The issue ought to be explored
>>> through a neutral lens that takes into account the difficulties in
>>> learning English itself and not through the polarizing view that DACA
>>> represents. While I can absolutely appreciate that the blindness
>>> community is as diverse as its broader counterpart, at some point it
>>> is worth asking ourselves if we are advocating for the blind
>>> individual or the blind individual who is also undocumented. It's that
>>> secondary step that could inhibit our ability to be effective at the
>>> first goal, and if we are not effective at meeting the basic needs of
>>> the blind individual, we are certainly not going to be great at
>>> meeting the unique needs of so many other segments of society that are
>>> independent of blindness.
>>>
>>> @ Roanna:
>>>
>>> No argument here. The discussion is important. Understanding the issue
>>> is important. Devoting resources to it? That's where I'm getting
>>> stuck. We do not have infinite staff, time, and money. If we could
>>> succeed at cracking the unemployment problem for all blind people, we
>>> might actually make it possible for DACA beneficiaries to enjoy a
>>> better life after they graduate college. Why is it that in 2017, a
>>> blind person's employment choices are either professional white collar
>>> or blind-friendly? There are broad segments of the employment sector
>>> we have not successfully penetrated despite advances in technology and
>>> NFB training. Maybe that is the piece of this initiative that is
>>> inhibiting my own ability to take a long view on this item. We want to
>>> analyze employment challenges for DACA beneficiaries when we barely
>>> understand the employment challenges for the rest of the community?
>>>
>>> @ Tyler:
>>>
>>> I never said our work should only concentrate on blind citizens. My
>>> position has always been to advocate for everyone, regardless of DACA
>>> eligibility.
>>>
>>> DACA did not inhibit a blind person's ability to make a living in the
>>> United States. An increasing number of states and local municipalities
>>> were already offering benefits to undocumented persons before DACA was
>>> ever enacted. Again I ask, what do you think the thousands of
>>> undocumented people were doing before 2012?
>>>
>>> No, I've already admitted learning English is not easy, but nor is it
>>> unique to DACA beneficiaries.
>>>
>>> I'm going to assume your example of picking up trash on the side of
>>> the street to earn money to pay for language courses was sarcasm. If I
>>> were a liberal, I would pounce on that point to ask what the harm is
>>> in trash collection as a profession? As a conservative, I would
>>> applaud the opportunity for blind people to be able to equally
>>> participate in that line of work as a means to get off government
>>> assistance and improve their lot in life.
>>>
>>> Will learning the language be costly? Yes, but, well, it's going to be
>>> costly for everyone. Should we extend unique advantages to someone
>>> just because they are undocumented?
>>>
>>> Again, no argument on the accessibility to the paperwork. If that is
>>> an issue, we should help. I'm not sure to whom that responsibility
>>> would fall. Local chapters? A division? Our legal counsel? I'm sure
>>> that could be sorted out.
>>>
>>> To a certain extent, we can agree this is not a black and white issue.
>>> For me though, the gray has everything to do with new arrivals in the
>>> country, and even challenges with learning the language, and little to
>>> do with the controversial policy issued by a former president
>>> interested in bypassing Congress.
>>>
>>> Respectfully,
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/26/17, Littlefield, Tyler via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> I want to address some of Joe's points, because they're worth
>>>> discussion
>>>> here.
>>>>
>>>> While we do have a small scope and our work should apply to advocacy,
>>>> that does not mean that the NFB as an organization should be only
>>>> focused on blind people who are citizens; issues that affect blind
>>>> people within this country are our focus and should be. You say that
>>>> removal of DACA does not prevent those people from living the life they
>>>> want, but it most certanly does if that also revokes and puts into
>>>> question their legal status; as someone who was under DACA, they had
>>>> the
>>>> chance for a future here that will not be provided them otherwise.
>>>>
>>>> Also although you brush over it, learning English for everyone is not
>>>> an
>>>> easy job, and depending on your resources is not always going to be the
>>>> first thing people do. Those classes cost money--and I'm sure that you
>>>> have a way for them to raise it, perhaps by picking up trash on the
>>>> street or something else just as unlikely, but the reality is that
>>>> those
>>>> classes are costly. If you're blind and new to the country, you're also
>>>> going to potentially run into access barriers, which again is where the
>>>> NFB can help.
>>>>
>>>> Finally and perhaps most importantly is your claim that filling out
>>>> these forms is straight-forward and accessible. I know many people who
>>>> have immigrated to the country, many of whom are sighted and speak
>>>> fairly good English and filling out these forms was certainly not a
>>>> cakewalk for them. If you want to add to that mix the fact that someone
>>>> who is blind from another country may not be exposed to screen-reading
>>>> software or have access to a system with a screen reader built in, or
>>>> may have been provided paper forms, or any of the above with the
>>>> combined note that they haven't taken the dive to become "more
>>>> employable" in your mind and learned English, this process is going to
>>>> be much more complex.
>>>>
>>>> These issues affect people in different ways, and stating that people
>>>> should do x for y to occur without looking at the underlying issues and
>>>> understanding that there may be barriers that prevent that is going to
>>>> cause problems. This is not a solution in black and white where there
>>>> exists only one way out.
>>>> On 9/26/2017 9:57 AM, Sarah via NABS-L wrote:
>>>>> Joe, perhaps the diversity of experiences that people are having with
>>>>> immigration is why the discussion needs to be had. If you found it
>>>>> easy
>>>>> to
>>>>> navigate the process and Miso did not, what were the differences in
>>>>> your
>>>>> two experiences? Were they language-based? Were they differences that
>>>>> actually did have to do with blindness, e.g. technology you were able
>>>>> to
>>>>> obtain that she was not, tech that did not support her language at the
>>>>> time, etc? Yes, learning English should be a goal for anyone entering
>>>>> this
>>>>> country. I am a language professor... You might be surprised how many
>>>>> emails I field from people who are seeking ways to teach English
>>>>> effectively to refugees, specifically to teach English reading skills.
>>>>> For
>>>>> some people, learning English is not an easy process, especially if
>>>>> they
>>>>> come from a country where blindness is treated as a condition that
>>>>> means
>>>>> you are cared for instead of employable. The NFB really does need to
>>>>> consider what impact blindness has on immigration and refugees; and I
>>>>> think that it will not be the same impact for each individual who
>>>>> enters
>>>>> this country. We have the potential to be able to work collaboratively
>>>>> with other agencies or simply to wash our hands and say it isn't our
>>>>> business. But it is our business.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rev. Sarah Blake LaRose
>>>>> http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
>>>>> Accessible instruction in Biblical languages
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe
>>>>> Orozco
>>>>> via NABS-L
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 7:57 AM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Joe Orozco <jsoro620 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind
>>>>> Is
>>>>> Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting points. Let me offer a few rebuttals for the sake of
>>>>> discussion. I realize my opposition will not change anything, but
>>>>> hopefully the discussion is of some thoughtful value.
>>>>>
>>>>> @ Ashley:
>>>>>
>>>>> First, state rehabilitation services are not denied to persons with no
>>>>> legal immigration status. DACA did not magically open these services.
>>>>>
>>>>> Second, language barriers can be a challenge to all persons, not just
>>>>> undocumented immigrants. Learning the English language ought to be a
>>>>> goal
>>>>> for everyone to achieve to be marketable in this employment industry.
>>>>>
>>>>> Third, what government services would blind DREAMers not be able to
>>>>> procure if DACA truly expired? Somehow we have gotten it into our
>>>>> heads
>>>>> that before DACA, life was truly dismal for undocumented blind
>>>>> persons.
>>>>> Yes, it was challenging, but what do we suppose blind immigrants were
>>>>> doing before DACA was enacted under Obama? What do we assume blind
>>>>> persons
>>>>> over the age of 31 are doing now? If things have truly been that
>>>>> critical,
>>>>> why have we as a blind movement not acknowledged the epidemic sooner?
>>>>>
>>>>> You wrote: "4. Dreamers may be denied other services their fellow
>>>>> dreamers
>>>>> can partake of."
>>>>>
>>>>> Forgive me. I'm an idiot. What did you mean by this point?
>>>>>
>>>>> @ Miso:
>>>>>
>>>>> My point was not so much that disability and immigration are two
>>>>> different
>>>>> issues. My point is that with limited capital, with limited resources,
>>>>> why
>>>>> are we pursuing a narrow scope and highly controversial advocacy issue
>>>>> when there is already an array of social justice organizations taking
>>>>> up
>>>>> the cause?
>>>>>
>>>>> To be clear, DACA is not what keeps a blind person from living the
>>>>> life
>>>>> they want. Their legal status is creating that prevention. DACA is, at
>>>>> best, a short-term cure for a long-term problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Should there be collaboration between disability rights and
>>>>> immigration
>>>>> groups? Sure, but that should be part of a general outreach strategy,
>>>>> not
>>>>> a specific initiative. By your logic, what we really ought to be doing
>>>>> to
>>>>> help blind undocumented people is provide assistance navigating the
>>>>> immigration process, and that isn't really a part of our core mission.
>>>>> It's not our expertise, and nor should it be. Our objective is more
>>>>> collective.
>>>>>
>>>>> Could USCIS be more accommodating? I suppose that depends on your
>>>>> experience. I navigated the system more than a decade ago. I did so
>>>>> independently, without the need for legal counsel or immigration
>>>>> rights
>>>>> advocacy. I am by no means suggesting my experience should set the bar
>>>>> for
>>>>> everyone else's progress, but in terms of website accessibility and
>>>>> forms,
>>>>> I remember being quite surprised at how straightforward the
>>>>> application
>>>>> went. Regardless of my own experiences though, here is a place where
>>>>> the
>>>>> NFB could insert itself. Government resource accessibility ought to be
>>>>> equal for all, not because it affects a segment of society but because
>>>>> public resources from any agency are legally bound to be accessible.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, I don't want to belabor the point if I am a minority of one.
>>>>> The initiative feels a little random to me, a little too much like the
>>>>> eager kid pushing for a place at a table where we do not have
>>>>> strategic
>>>>> advantage. If we want to help DACA beneficiaries, the best way to go
>>>>> about
>>>>> it is by ensuring the equal compensation of all blind workers. We
>>>>> should
>>>>> ensure equal access to the classroom and workplace for all blind
>>>>> students,
>>>>> employees and job applicants. Our community is already too small for
>>>>> us
>>>>> to
>>>>> believe that blind DACA beneficiaries are somehow at a unique
>>>>> disadvantage.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/24/17, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Thank you for asking.
>>>>>> For the sake of privacy, I will write without much personal details.
>>>>>> In my opinion, one issue is in navigating the process of receiving
>>>>>> accommodations when people with disabilities must work with U.S.
>>>>>> Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS.) Working with USCIS
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> include applying for permanent residency, applying for citizenship,
>>>>>> and a range of other services.
>>>>>> Based on my personal experience, USCIS staff are not super
>>>>>> knowledgeable about how to execute accommodation for people with
>>>>>> disabilities.
>>>>>> Immigrant rights organizations are not well-equipped with knowledge
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> requesting accommodations either based on my experience.
>>>>>> Similarly, most people in organizations like NFB are not
>>>>>> knowledgeable
>>>>>> about immigration related procedures, and are unable to help when
>>>>>> their members seek help with immigration related matters.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In regards to why disability and immigration are not separate issues,
>>>>>> many people come to U.S. for better medical care or simply better
>>>>>> opportunity as people with disabilities. In other words, for some
>>>>>> people, having a disability themselves or having a child with
>>>>>> disability is primary reason why they forgo the comfort of their
>>>>>> homeland and immigrate to the U.S. even when (in some cases) they
>>>>>> risk
>>>>>> being undocumented because U.S. offers better medical care and
>>>>>> educational opportunities than their home country.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On another note, I would like to note that NFB is not the only
>>>>>> disability rights advocacy organization that  is taking a stance on
>>>>>> DACA repeal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> National Council on Independent Living expressed its stance on this
>>>>>> article:
>>>>>> http://www.advocacymonitor.com/ncil-condemns-the-decision-to-end-daca/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Miso
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/24/17, Sarah via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> Miso, please explain more about your immigration process. (You may
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>> so privately if you wish.) This is something that I for one would
>>>>>>> like to understand more about. How was this impacted by your
>>>>>>> blindness and what do immigration organizations need to know? I
>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>> that what you say here is extremely valuable, and while I agree
>>>>>>> thhat
>>>>>>> educating other organizations will take a long time I also think it
>>>>>>> is part of what we need to do. I work with other organizations that
>>>>>>> support immigrant rights in various ways, and I would like to
>>>>>>> educate
>>>>>>> them as much as possible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rev. Sarah Blake LaRose
>>>>>>> http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
>>>>>>> Accessible instruction in Biblical languages
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso
>>>>>>> Kwak via NABS-L
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 6:35 PM
>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Cc: Miso Kwak <misokwak12 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>>> Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joe and others who may share his sentiments, I would like to preface
>>>>>>> this email by saying that I am neither an expert, nor deeply
>>>>>>> involved
>>>>>>> in NFB leadership.
>>>>>>> However, I am also a naturalized citizen, who self-identify as a 1.5
>>>>>>> generation immigrant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, for those who argue that disability and immigration are two
>>>>>>> completely separate issues, I am here as one of many living
>>>>>>> counterexamples to that argument.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If NFB or any other organization for that matter claims to be a
>>>>>>> consumer organization promoting the blind to live the lives they
>>>>>>> want, I think it is the organization's responsibility to stand with
>>>>>>> blind people who are affected by such major policy as DACA repeal.
>>>>>>> Bluntly speaking, regardless of one's view on whether DACA should be
>>>>>>> allowed or not, it is fact that with the repeal of DACA, blind
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> who are DACA recepients cannot live the lives they want,
>>>>>>> figuratively
>>>>>>> and literally.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My personal belief is that organizations serving the blind and
>>>>>>> immigrant rights organizations must collaborate in order to meet the
>>>>>>> needs of blind immigrants. Immigrant rights organization are not
>>>>>>> often equipped well enough to understand and serve people with not
>>>>>>> just blindness but any other disabilities. My personal experience of
>>>>>>> going through the naturalization process is one evidence.
>>>>>>> Similarly, organizations that are solely dedicated to serving people
>>>>>>> with disabilities are often poorly equipped with the ability and
>>>>>>> sensitivity to serve immigrants (whether the immigration was legal
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> not)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am afraid it may take too long to see collaboration between
>>>>>>> disability focused organization and immigrant rights organization,
>>>>>>> but I believe NFB's effort to learn more about the blind people
>>>>>>> affected by the repeal of DACA is a necessary first step forward.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Miso Kwak
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/24/17, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Joe,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll try to be nonpartisan here. The DACA is a major thing
>>>>>>>> impacting
>>>>>>>> all those immigrants in it.
>>>>>>>> I would guess it may impact blind  people more in the following
>>>>>>>> ways:
>>>>>>>> 1. It may impact their ability to receive state vocational rehab
>>>>>>>> services that we all get or can get.
>>>>>>>> 2. Unemployment among any immigrant population is hindered by  the
>>>>>>>> language
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> barriers. I  have seen it firsthand.
>>>>>>>> While most people can go out and grab low wage jobs, blind people
>>>>>>>> are excluded from these service sector jobs which require little
>>>>>>>> language skills. Immigrants including dreamers partake in these
>>>>>>>> jobs
>>>>>>>> such as housekeeping staff at hotels, cleaning facilities in public
>>>>>>>> areas such as our colleges and universities, painting houses, and
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> course lawn services.
>>>>>>>> Blind people who cannot fluently read and write english are more
>>>>>>>> negatively
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> impacted. When an immigrant I know tried to take ESL classes at
>>>>>>>> Northern virginia community college, it is my understanding he
>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>> not follow the class due to the visual nature of it such as
>>>>>>>> pictures
>>>>>>>> in workbooks. And, of
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> course Nova is terrible at accomodations and failed to help this
>>>>>>>> student with special needs succeed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3. Blind Dreamers may also have a harder time securing other
>>>>>>>> government services.
>>>>>>>> 4. Dreamers may be denied other services their fellow dreamers can
>>>>>>>> partake of.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm glad NFB is taking this up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes it is true we are vastly underemployed in general. It is true
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ways to go in that area for all Americans.
>>>>>>>> I think a huge hindrance to employment is accessibility of
>>>>>>>> software.
>>>>>>>> I've seen it firsthand. I'm hoping NFB will make headway in
>>>>>>>> advocacy
>>>>>>>> for accessibility sooner than later.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Its also true that none of the NFB national resolutions spoke of
>>>>>>>> this issue.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However, I believe the resolutions were written prior to Mr.
>>>>>>>> Trump's
>>>>>>>> decision.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Its something to ask the national office if you are still curious.
>>>>>>>> I'm a naturalized citizen too, and I definitely understand your
>>>>>>>> concerns.
>>>>>>>> As a naturalized citizen, I want to be a first class citizen and
>>>>>>>> earn my way
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> including participating in the workforce but so far many barriers
>>>>>>>> have hindered me such as attitudes of employers and accessibility
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> third party
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> software.
>>>>>>>> However, Dreamers have unique needs and challenges which I, as a
>>>>>>>> naturalized
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> citizen growing up here in American public schools, do not have.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good questions.
>>>>>>>> I look forward to the outcome of such studies NFB conducts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Joe via NABS-L
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 7:06 PM
>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>> Cc: Joe
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the
>>>>>>>> Blind
>>>>>>>> Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This post has been gnawing at me for over a week. Maybe someone can
>>>>>>>> help me understand our rationale in getting involved in an issue
>>>>>>>> that is clearly partisan.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My understanding is that the NFB seeks to enable all blind
>>>>>>>> individuals to live the life they want, irrespective of immigration
>>>>>>>> status. No argument here. I appreciate the work we do to provide
>>>>>>>> equal opportunities for everyone--regardless of their legal status,
>>>>>>>> which ought not to be any of our business anyway, and regardless of
>>>>>>>> their membership in our organization.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But now we're talking about devoting already limited resources to
>>>>>>>> better inform policymakers about the administration's decision to
>>>>>>>> rescind the DACA program. I don't understand how this became a
>>>>>>>> priority.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why are we suddenly interested in providing assistance to
>>>>>>>> beneficiaries of the DACA program? If we are doing our work
>>>>>>>> correctly, then one could argue the affected blind beneficiaries
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> already being served.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why would we collect statistical analyses on the unemployment rate
>>>>>>>> of the blind before and after the DACA program when we barely have
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> handle on the unemployment rate among the majority of blind
>>>>>>>> Americans?
>>>>>>>> If the general statistics are accurate, then the unemployment rate
>>>>>>>> among the blind is somewhere in the neighborhood of 75%. I don't
>>>>>>>> understand why our limited resources would not be devoted to
>>>>>>>> solving
>>>>>>>> for the employment needs of all blind Americans as opposed to the
>>>>>>>> needs of the few. The fact we are largely excluded from the vast
>>>>>>>> majority of minimum wage jobs accessible to the rest of the
>>>>>>>> population should be of greater concern than the consequences of a
>>>>>>>> program that was legally and constitutionally controversial to
>>>>>>>> start.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The DACA program is not likely to result in mass deportations and
>>>>>>>> other grim predictions forecasted by one side of the highly
>>>>>>>> polarizing issue. The point is part of a larger debate on
>>>>>>>> immigration
>>>>>>>> reform.
>>>>>>>> Congress should enact legislation the way it should have done when
>>>>>>>> the legislative measure was originally proposed under President
>>>>>>>> Bush
>>>>>>>> in 2007, and to be fair, a bipartisan effort is underway to provide
>>>>>>>> at least a three-year reprieve to the affected community. Given the
>>>>>>>> convoluted and hotly contested nature of the overarching dialogue
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> the matter, why would the NFB spend its limited political capital
>>>>>>>> appearing to take sides on this issue?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Looking through this year's resolutions, I see no mention of
>>>>>>>> devoting resources to beneficiaries of the DACA program. How do we
>>>>>>>> go about deciding outreach efforts in situations where our mission
>>>>>>>> was not directed by the objectives agreed to by our convention?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To me, the step feels like an opportunistic means of snagging
>>>>>>>> attention on an issue that is already steeped in controversy. We
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> already fighting an uphill battle on employment equality for those
>>>>>>>> individuals working in sheltered environments. We already face
>>>>>>>> educational and employment disparities among highly qualified blind
>>>>>>>> permanent residents and citizens, born and naturalized.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But, perhaps I am missing something. I'm willing to be educated. As
>>>>>>>> a naturalized citizen, I understand the benefits of something like
>>>>>>>> DACA to get ahead in this country. For that, there are other
>>>>>>>> immigration rights consumer groups. We can trust them to take up
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> cry for fair treatment. We can trust them to help undocumented
>>>>>>>> individuals find and keep a place in our society. I would like to
>>>>>>>> think we place our trust in the NFB to make that society more
>>>>>>>> accessible.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: NFBNet-Members-List
>>>>>>>> [mailto:nfbnet-members-list-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of President, National Federation of the Blind via
>>>>>>>> NFBNet-Members-List
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:07 AM
>>>>>>>> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of
>>>>>>>> the Blind Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>>>>>>> Importance: High
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> National Federation of the Blind Is Seeking to Support DREAMers
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As the principal vehicle for collective action for the blind in the
>>>>>>>> United States, the National Federation of the Blind is committed to
>>>>>>>> enabling all blind people, irrespective of immigration status, to
>>>>>>>> live the lives we want.
>>>>>>>> To better inform our current and future advocacy and policy
>>>>>>>> strategies, the National Federation of the Blind is collecting the
>>>>>>>> following information to better understand the impact of the
>>>>>>>> administration's recent decision to rescind the Deferred Action for
>>>>>>>> Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program among the blind in the United
>>>>>>>> States.
>>>>>>>> The information collected will be used to:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. Identify DREAMers who are blind in order to better understand
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> impact on blind people and help inform the National Federation of
>>>>>>>> the Blind regarding ways the organization can best provide
>>>>>>>> assistance.
>>>>>>>> 2. Develop an aggregate summary of the blind people in the United
>>>>>>>> States who participate in the DACA program, which can be shared
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> government officials, advocates, and other interested parties.
>>>>>>>> 3. Develop statistical analyses on the unemployment rate among the
>>>>>>>> blind before and after the establishment of the DACA program.
>>>>>>>> 4. Highlight general narratives of blind people living the lives
>>>>>>>> they want because of the DACA program.
>>>>>>>> 5. Coordinate a community of blind DACA recipients in order to
>>>>>>>> maximize the resources available.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you or someone you know is blind and receives DACA benefits,
>>>>>>>> please complete the National Federation of the Blind DACA form at
>>>>>>>> the below links (available in Spanish and English), or share this
>>>>>>>> information with them. If you know of a DREAMer who does not have
>>>>>>>> internet access, we would appreciate your helping them complete the
>>>>>>>> form.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Spanish NFB DACA form: https://nfb.org/daca-es English NFB DACA
>>>>>>>> form:
>>>>>>>> https://nfb.org/daca
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Together with love, hope, and determination, the National
>>>>>>>> Federation
>>>>>>>> of the Blind transforms dreams into reality. Through this effort we
>>>>>>>> seek to support the hopes and dreams of blind people seeking to be
>>>>>>>> fully contributing members of our nation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mark A. Riccobono, President
>>>>>>>> 200 East Wells Street, Baltimore, MD 21230
>>>>>>>> (410) 659-9314 | Officeofthepresident at nfb.org
>>>>>>>> Twitter: @Riccobono
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://nfb.org/> Image removed by sender. National Federation of
>>>>>>>> the Blind
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The National Federation of the Blind is a community of members and
>>>>>>>> friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation's blind.
>>>>>>>> Every day we work together to help blind people live the lives they
>>>>>>>> want.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Miso Kwak
>>>>>>> University of California, Los Angeles | 2017 Psychology B.A. |
>>>>>>> Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor
>>>>>>> (909) 660-1897
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 27 17:49:58 2017
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 13:49:58 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] SHARE WIDELY: National Federation of the Blind
 IsSeeking to Support DREAMers
Message-ID: <59cbe4db.0d459d0a.6f893.192e@mx.google.com>

Hi Joe thanks for your message.  These are great points that you 
bring to the discussion.  I have enjoyed reading this thread so 
far.  Blind people should be able to get help regardless of their 
legal status.


From luke.schwinck at hotmail.com  Thu Sep 28 00:01:13 2017
From: luke.schwinck at hotmail.com (luke schwinck)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 00:01:13 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Event planning meeting
Message-ID: <CY4PR2201MB103109374AF9F329EB51317DF6790@CY4PR2201MB1031.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Hey All,

Just a quick reminder that in exactly 24 hours the event planning committee will have its second meeting of September to finalize plans for what is shaping up to be a very busy and exciting October. If you are free and have ingenious ideas you would like to contribute please plan on attending via conference call at (712)770-5197 pin 265669 at 8pm eastern time tomorrow (Thursday September 28)
 
Best regards, 
Luke A. Schwinck
Chair | NABS Event Planning Committee




From jim.hulme at gmail.com  Thu Sep 28 07:25:05 2017
From: jim.hulme at gmail.com (James Hulme)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 03:25:05 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Expected Release Time for Ios eleven
In-Reply-To: <5993885B-D732-4A02-BDE7-11627CB5EA35@gmail.com>
References: <59c112d4.85529d0a.2dc5a.1168@mx.google.com>
	<C7615DC2-FDD6-4327-AD79-68D3D53C1D33@gmail.com>
	<5993885B-D732-4A02-BDE7-11627CB5EA35@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKMC2e6vEmGrrBPbFC2FvpZMJu2aaZtceTGN93MqOkjOjE+NWA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Roanna Bacchus,

IOS 11 was released on June 5, 2017. Yes the update is compatible with
iPhone5C.

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-40172019

I do not have Apple, I have android phones.

I am very happy to assist you with information. Please read the article.
Please tell me what you think?

James Hulme
NFB of New Jersey Member.
908-868-2836 (Mobile)
jim.hulme at gmail.com

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> I have already updated my phone.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Sep 19, 2017, at 9:20 AM, Alana Leonhardy via NABS-L <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hello there,
> > Unfortunately, the iPhone 5C is not supported with iOS 11. If you
> haven't updated to 10.3.3, you might want to do that now.
> > Alana
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Sep 19, 2017, at 05:51, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey students hope everyone is going well.  My family and I did not have
> a lot of damage during Hurricane Irma compared to others.  I have a
> question for all of you.  What time is Ios eleven expected to be released?
> Will it be compatible with an IPhone 5 C? Hope to hear from you soon.
> >>
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From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Fri Sep 29 06:17:30 2017
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 02:17:30 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Being a research assistant
Message-ID: <172CCCF1-714C-41A3-B81D-963B484987F3@gmail.com>

Hi everyone,
I hope all is well. I will be a research assistant for the first time this year in at least one project and may look for others as well. Have any of you had this opportunity and if so, what were your experiences like? Any tips or tools that might be useful for me to have as someone who only has light perception?
Thank you.

Amanda

From clearinghouse at miusa.org  Fri Sep 29 17:04:21 2017
From: clearinghouse at miusa.org (NCDE Clearinghouse)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 10:04:21 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Increase your independence through study abroad
Message-ID: <8de65170-5629-12a0-fd30-9f229863983a@miusa.org>

     Dear NABS,

Greetings from the National Clearinghouse on Disability and Exchange, a 
Department Of State-funded project to get more blind and disabled people 
to study and volunteer abroad.

If you have ever thought about international exchange, or if you have 
already gone abroad, you might enjoy our latest collection of magazine 
articles and podcasts featuring tips and stories about going abroad for 
study or volunteer work. Take a look and let us know what you think on 
Facebook Mobility International USA or on twitter @MobilityINTL.

Also, if you happen to be going to next year's convention and would like 
to share about your exchange experience with fellow federationists, we 
would like to talk to you. Send me an email jharford at miusa.org.

AWAY to Africa
There's a world to explore beyond Western Europe and Australia. In the 
new issue of A World Awaits You, we talk to travelers with disabilities 
to find out what it is about the region of Sub-Saharan Africa that is 
creating a buzz of international exchange travel to and from the United 
States - and why people with disabilities should take note!
http://www.miusa.org/news/2017/awayinafrica

AWAY Accesses a World of Languages
In the #AccessLanguages addition of AWAY, we share stories and good 
practices to demonstrate that no student is unable to #AccessLanguages. 
Meet leading language immersion exchange organizations and learn about 
the best practices that they have used to ensure that all of their 
students can fully participate in language learning abroad.
http://www.miusa.org/resource/booksjournal/awayaccesslanguages

Ripple Effects #LifeAfterExchange
They are from a variety of backgrounds. They have taken different career 
paths, but the one thing they have in common is their international 
exchange. We have an amazing lineup of interviewees this season of our 
Ripple Effects podcast. Make sure to subscribe to the podcast from 
iTunes and stay tuned for upcoming episodes.
http://www.miusa.org/resource/podcast/LifeAfterExchange%27

  Storytelling through Digital Postcards!

The postcards from our life after exchange campaign are looking good. 
Just take a look at the latest ones that we have released and let us 
know if you'd like to be featured! 
http://www.miusa.org/resource/booksjournals/postcard

Cheers

Justin Harford
Project Coordinator (NCDE)
Mobility International USA (MIUSA
132 E. Broadway Suite 343
Eugene, OR 97401
541-343-1284 (voice)
jharford at miusa.org (email)



From jaw1431 at jagmail.southalabama.edu  Sat Sep 30 00:50:00 2017
From: jaw1431 at jagmail.southalabama.edu (Jessica Williams)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 19:50:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking resources for a blind intern student
Message-ID: <702E990B-8DDF-4980-B8E8-DD55D11E4356@jagmail.southalabama.edu>



Sent from my iPhone greetings nabs ,
I have a friend that  is  about   to do their field experience in education in a classroom setting. What are the existing accommodations to fulfill their  intern experience?

From mikaelastevens at gmail.com  Sat Sep 30 04:29:14 2017
From: mikaelastevens at gmail.com (Mikaela Stevens)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 22:29:14 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking resources for a blind intern student
In-Reply-To: <702E990B-8DDF-4980-B8E8-DD55D11E4356@jagmail.southalabama.edu>
References: <702E990B-8DDF-4980-B8E8-DD55D11E4356@jagmail.southalabama.edu>
Message-ID: <E5A139E0-F678-4A6B-995D-7ACFA6BD6C4B@gmail.com>

Hi Jessica:

It depends on what type of classroom, age group of the students, etc. do you have more information?

Best regards,
Mikaela


> On Sep 29, 2017, at 6:50 PM, Jessica Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone greetings nabs ,
> I have a friend that  is  about   to do their field experience in education in a classroom setting. What are the existing accommodations to fulfill their  intern experience?
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From mikaelastevens at gmail.com  Sat Sep 30 23:52:15 2017
From: mikaelastevens at gmail.com (Mikaela Stevens)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2017 17:52:15 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Utah student seminar
Message-ID: <DE66991A-5BF6-48BC-BEBC-7056BFD3F1EF@gmail.com>

Dear students:

We are excited to announce the Utah Association of blind students is hosting a student seminar! It will be held in Salt Lake at Division of Services for the Blind and Visually Impaired building, October 21 from three Dash 7 PM, and you're invited. Please let me or Chelsea Peahl ( chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com) know off-list if you would like more details.

We hope to see many of you there.

Best regards,
Mikaela