From kaylaweathers51590 at gmail.com  Wed Aug  1 21:44:33 2018
From: kaylaweathers51590 at gmail.com (Kayla Weathers)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 17:44:33 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Fwd: Rental Application
In-Reply-To: <5b61fe8b27cfb_2109f2ad3093b97d0405bf@combo1.prod139.den.appfolio.net.mail>
References: <5b61fe8b27cfb_2109f2ad3093b97d0405bf@combo1.prod139.den.appfolio.net.mail>
Message-ID: <CACNPAB4mERdCeyX3MLU7Rt2bARO7jf8ypb+VpFq+iyL8dEPqog@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Green Star Realty <fbfc65bfb29fce3b5925 at aegisfinancial.mailer.appfolio.us>
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2018 18:40:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Rental Application
To: kaylaweathers51590 at gmail.com

Dear Kayla Weathers,

Thank you for your interest in our property! To apply, please complete
the online application at the link below. Feel free to contact us with
any questions or concerns.

Thank You,


Lorissa Owens
Manager
Office 318-242-0003


Online Rental Application:
https://aegisfinancial.appfolio.com/listings/rental_applications/new?source=&guest_card_uid=55e4b7b5-91b4-4a1b-a177-97eee7126c71&listable_uid=979afac5-c9e9-420e-8433-fb0dc36321fc
[image]


-- 
Kayla Weathers.
B.A. English Literature
Dalton State College


From dwiniecki at handid.org  Wed Aug  1 21:55:15 2018
From: dwiniecki at handid.org (Donald Winiecki)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 15:55:15 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] Fwd: Rental Application
In-Reply-To: <CACNPAB4mERdCeyX3MLU7Rt2bARO7jf8ypb+VpFq+iyL8dEPqog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5b61fe8b27cfb_2109f2ad3093b97d0405bf@combo1.prod139.den.appfolio.net.mail>
	<CACNPAB4mERdCeyX3MLU7Rt2bARO7jf8ypb+VpFq+iyL8dEPqog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD5OMmFRAQfNyvT1AWiqe5okyJWphm13WLOeoKSPn9dYgv7HaA@mail.gmail.com>

That message (see below) seems like a phishing scam.  I would be wary of
clicking those links!

_don


On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 3:45 PM Kayla Weathers via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Green Star Realty <
> fbfc65bfb29fce3b5925 at aegisfinancial.mailer.appfolio.us>
> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2018 18:40:11 +0000 (UTC)
> Subject: Rental Application
> To: kaylaweathers51590 at gmail.com
>
> Dear Kayla Weathers,
>
> Thank you for your interest in our property! To apply, please complete
> the online application at the link below. Feel free to contact us with
> any questions or concerns.
>
> Thank You,
>
>
> Lorissa Owens
> Manager
> Office 318-242-0003
>
>
> Online Rental Application:
>
> https://aegisfinancial.appfolio.com/listings/rental_applications/new?source=&guest_card_uid=55e4b7b5-91b4-4a1b-a177-97eee7126c71&listable_uid=979afac5-c9e9-420e-8433-fb0dc36321fc
> [image]
>
>
> --
> Kayla Weathers.
> B.A. English Literature
> Dalton State College
>
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NABS-L:
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>

From kaylaweathers51590 at gmail.com  Wed Aug  1 21:57:07 2018
From: kaylaweathers51590 at gmail.com (Kayla Weathers)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 17:57:07 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Rental Application
In-Reply-To: <CACNPAB4mERdCeyX3MLU7Rt2bARO7jf8ypb+VpFq+iyL8dEPqog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5b61fe8b27cfb_2109f2ad3093b97d0405bf@combo1.prod139.den.appfolio.net.mail>
	<CACNPAB4mERdCeyX3MLU7Rt2bARO7jf8ypb+VpFq+iyL8dEPqog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACNPAB5dSzkPupb1u99n053JLEMaG3G8wCahFVELoQiG6NUGRg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi NABS, please disregard my last message. It was sent to the list by mistake.
Thanks, Kayla

On 8/1/18, Kayla Weathers <kaylaweathers51590 at gmail.com> wrote:
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Green Star Realty
> <fbfc65bfb29fce3b5925 at aegisfinancial.mailer.appfolio.us>
> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2018 18:40:11 +0000 (UTC)
> Subject: Rental Application
> To: kaylaweathers51590 at gmail.com
>
> Dear Kayla Weathers,
>
> Thank you for your interest in our property! To apply, please complete
> the online application at the link below. Feel free to contact us with
> any questions or concerns.
>
> Thank You,
>
>
> Lorissa Owens
> Manager
> Office 318-242-0003
>
>
> Online Rental Application:
> https://aegisfinancial.appfolio.com/listings/rental_applications/new?source=&guest_card_uid=55e4b7b5-91b4-4a1b-a177-97eee7126c71&listable_uid=979afac5-c9e9-420e-8433-fb0dc36321fc
> [image]
>
>
> --
> Kayla Weathers.
> B.A. English Literature
> Dalton State College
>


-- 
Kayla Weathers.
B.A. English Literature
Dalton State College


From elizabeth.rouse14 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  2 17:09:27 2018
From: elizabeth.rouse14 at gmail.com (elizabeth.rouse14 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 12:09:27 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] =?utf-8?q?Learn_the_what=E2=80=99s_what_what_about_Loui?=
 =?utf-8?q?siana_Center_for_the_blind?=
Message-ID: <8BEEB57F-1BF6-4865-A291-A64BE33882E3@gmail.com>

Happy August everyone!
The Iowa Association of Blind Students would like to invite all of NABS to attend our August monthly call. This call will feature a panel of guests to share information about the beloved Louisiana Center for the Blind. We will be hearing from Pam Allen, a current LCB student, and a recent graduate. 
We would love for you to bring your thoughts and questions to our discussion.
This call will take place on Sunday, August 19 at 7 o’clock central standard time.
The calling information is 605-475-4120. Please use access code 7972692.
Feel free to reach out to me with any questions 😃

Elizabeth Rouse
Iowa Association of Blind Students secretary

From dandrews at visi.com  Fri Aug  3 03:47:30 2018
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2018 22:47:30 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Fwd: [blind-philly-comp] Employment Opportunity: Assistive
 Technology Intern: Penn State University; University Park, PA
Message-ID: <auto-000108963450@mailfront1.g2host.com>


>
>Assistive Technology Intern
>Penn State University
>University Park, PA
>Internship
>
>Reporting to the Director of Student Disability Resources, this
>internship will include research/creation/evaluation of assistive
>technology (AT) preferences and needs of students with disabilities. The
>intern will research various assistive technologies, become familiar
>with how students with disabilities utilize AT in their academic
>routines, and work directly with students on their use of technology and
>how this works with AT. The position will include research using surveys
>of students with disabilities at Penn State. The intern will be involved
>in creating a reporting process of assistive technology survey responses.
>
>Also, the position will include training students to use assistive
>technologies. This is a paid internship, with approximately 20 hours/week.
>Penn State University - 1 day ago - original job
>https://psu.jobs/job/80722
>
>--
>David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com


---
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Sat Aug  4 16:51:08 2018
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2018 06:51:08 -1000
Subject: [NABS-L] First CABS Northern California Reception in 4 Weeks!
Message-ID: <5b65d983.1c69fb81.5bf7c.1f23@mx.google.com>

  Hi NABS,
  The California Association of Blind Students is so proud and 
excited to put together and organize our very first Northern 
California fall student reception in beautiful San Fransisco at 
the Lighthouse for the Blind, located at 10th floor, 1155 Market 
Street, San Fransisco, CA 94103.  The event will be held on 
Saturday, September 1, from 12:00 pm to 3:00 pm.  There will be 
food, music, raffle prizes, and our grand prize will be a google 
home mini! We will also have several different speakers to talk 
about what CABS is and how we can be a resource for students.  
Attached in this email, is our reception flyer and we would 
really appreciate it if you could help spread the word to your 
friends, as we are the students of today, yet the leaders of 
tomorrow.
  You can RSVP by clicking on this short form: 
httpsccdocsddgoogle.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeh2VCh2BoVsajlHnZFqPx-v
vn9c70MfTvwk2A9wWiT2s8koQ/viewform






Sincerely,
Vejas Vasiliauskas
Secretary and Treasurer of the California Association of Blind 
Students
Phone: (310) 265-3949
Email: alpineimagination at gmail.com
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Sat Aug  4 17:13:43 2018
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2018 07:13:43 -1000
Subject: [NABS-L] California Association of Blind Students Bay Area 2018
 RSVP Link
Message-ID: <A796F215-C055-4150-9AEF-277C6A47B40C@gmail.com>


Hi All,
Here's the correct link to the California student reception RSVP: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeh2VCh2BoVsajlHnZFqPx-vvn9c70MfTvwk2A9wWiT2s8koQ/viewform


Vejas Vasiliauskas
Secretary and Treasurer of the California Association of Blind Students
Phone: (ar310) 265-3949
Email: alpineimagination at gmail.com

From cricketbidleman at gmail.com  Sat Aug  4 17:19:21 2018
From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket X. Bidleman)
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2018 10:19:21 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] First CABS Northern California Reception in 4 Weeks!
 (Correction)
Message-ID: <CABP7S8OivGBHVedDiQoF=2k3xXHqHEniPg+Mgz+x7ydvGxg_hA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Students,

It appears that the link to the flyer got distorted from Grade 2
Braille to hyperlink translation. Here is the corrected link. Other
than that, the information is correct. I have attached the flyer again
for your convenience. Please share it widely! There is also a link to
the flyer, which is live on the CABS site.

Here is the RSVP form:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeh2VCh2BoVsajlHnZFqPx-vvn9c70MfTvwk2A9wWiT2s8koQ/viewform

Here is the link to the flyer:
http://www.nfbcal.org/chapters-and-divisions/cabs/2018-bay-area-flyer/

We hope you and/or your friends can join us on September 1st! We look
forward to having the opportunity to spread the word about CABS, NABS,
and the NFB.

Also, please like and share our Facebook page!
https://m.facebook.com/California-Association-of-Blind-Students-CABS-166747930401206/

All the best,
Cricket X. Bidleman (she/her/hers)
Stanford university | Class of 2021


On 8/4/18, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>   Hi NABS,
>   The California Association of Blind Students is so proud and
> excited to put together and organize our very first Northern
> California fall student reception in beautiful San Fransisco at
> the Lighthouse for the Blind, located at 10th floor, 1155 Market
> Street, San Fransisco, CA 94103.  The event will be held on
> Saturday, September 1, from 12:00 pm to 3:00 pm.  There will be
> food, music, raffle prizes, and our grand prize will be a google
> home mini! We will also have several different speakers to talk
> about what CABS is and how we can be a resource for students.
> Attached in this email, is our reception flyer and we would
> really appreciate it if you could help spread the word to your
> friends, as we are the students of today, yet the leaders of
> tomorrow.
>   You can RSVP by clicking on this short form:
> httpsccdocsddgoogle.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeh2VCh2BoVsajlHnZFqPx-v
> vn9c70MfTvwk2A9wWiT2s8koQ/viewform
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Vejas Vasiliauskas
> Secretary and Treasurer of the California Association of Blind
> Students
> Phone: (310) 265-3949
> Email: alpineimagination at gmail.com
>
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From janae.burgmeier at gmail.com  Sat Aug  4 20:21:15 2018
From: janae.burgmeier at gmail.com (Janae Burgmeier)
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2018 15:21:15 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Outreach committee
Message-ID: <51F02AE2-9AB0-4B4B-A46B-F30B7B9F7700@gmail.com>

Hi friends!
Hope everyone is enjoying their last few weeks of summer. This is a friendly reminder that your favorite outreach people will be kicking off our first call on Monday, August 6th at 9pm eastern. 

Please come with your ideas and skills for the following initiatives:  social media, blog, YouTube channel, podcast, and topics for membership calls. 

Call in information 
‭(712) 770-5197,,265669‬

Outreach Committee Chair

Janae Burgmeier 

From mikgephart at icloud.com  Sun Aug  5 16:18:56 2018
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2018 12:18:56 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] =?utf-8?q?Apple=E2=80=99s_new_patent?=
Message-ID: <6BFC5B6C-D01E-40EC-8E01-2AF3A9B23886@icloud.com>

Hi all,

     What do you think of Apple’s new patent? Here is a link with more info.

https://www.idropnews.com/news/apple-invents-clothing-technology-assist-blind-visually-impaired/75869/

Mikayla 

Sent from my iPad

From nabs.president at gmail.com  Mon Aug  6 00:34:01 2018
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (President, NABS | Kathryn Webster)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 20:34:01 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Can You Put the Fun in Fundraising Next Sunday,
 August 12 at 9pm Eastern?
Message-ID: <015501d42d1d$2c90dde0$85b299a0$@gmail.com>

Fellow Students!

 

Many say fundraising is difficult and not the most fun, but it's all about
the team that makes it fun!! Harry Staley, Elizabeth Rouse, Dustin Cather,
and I are ready to bring the joy into the Fundraising Committee! We need
your help to make this possible. By no means do you need to get solicit NABS
for money or sell endless amounts of anything; we simply need your ideas and
creative juices to flow!!

 

Come one, come all to the first 2018-19 NABS Fundraising Committee meeting
on Sunday, August 12 at 9pm eastern. Call 712-770-5197,,265669.

 

Can't wait to talk to you next week!

 

Love,

Kathryn

 

Kathryn C. Webster

President | National Association of Blind Students

   A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind

(203) 273-8463

 <mailto:Nabs.president at gmail.com> Nabs.president at gmail.com |
www.nabslink.org

 


From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Mon Aug  6 00:58:28 2018
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 19:58:28 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] =?utf-8?q?Apple=E2=80=99s_new_patent?=
In-Reply-To: <6BFC5B6C-D01E-40EC-8E01-2AF3A9B23886@icloud.com>
References: <6BFC5B6C-D01E-40EC-8E01-2AF3A9B23886@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <ECF94261-043A-46C2-8606-EBB7495343F8@gmail.com>

Hi, 
I am concerned by this article’s tone and suggestion that a device such as this could replace a cane, dog guide, or sighted guide. Technology, no matter how advanced, should never take the place of traditional orientation and mobility tools. Take Aira, for example. While this is an awesome product that does worlds of good for people, developers themselves insist that it is no replacement for the cane or dog guide. 
The article seems to be blowing this out of the water big time, and I seriously hope that Apple did not write about the product like this.
Aleeha 

> On Aug 5, 2018, at 11:18 AM, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
>     What do you think of Apple’s new patent? Here is a link with more info.
> 
> https://www.idropnews.com/news/apple-invents-clothing-technology-assist-blind-visually-impaired/75869/
> 
> Mikayla 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com



From louvins at gmail.com  Mon Aug  6 04:49:47 2018
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 23:49:47 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] =?utf-8?q?Apple=E2=80=99s_new_patent?=
In-Reply-To: <ECF94261-043A-46C2-8606-EBB7495343F8@gmail.com>
References: <6BFC5B6C-D01E-40EC-8E01-2AF3A9B23886@icloud.com>
	<ECF94261-043A-46C2-8606-EBB7495343F8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADUoy9u6cCzXEMyxPXbAUvOfUd0DmNb+4c6Z5QBR5MS7-PM9Tw@mail.gmail.com>

It is an interesting idea, I'll grant you that.  However, I wouldn't
wear such clothing.  I always use my cane when I go out.  Granted, I
don't do much traveling alone, but I'm sure such clothing would never
take the place of a cane or seeing eye dog.

On 8/5/18, Aleeha Dudley via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> I am concerned by this article’s tone and suggestion that a device such as
> this could replace a cane, dog guide, or sighted guide. Technology, no
> matter how advanced, should never take the place of traditional orientation
> and mobility tools. Take Aira, for example. While this is an awesome product
> that does worlds of good for people, developers themselves insist that it is
> no replacement for the cane or dog guide.
> The article seems to be blowing this out of the water big time, and I
> seriously hope that Apple did not write about the product like this.
> Aleeha
>
>> On Aug 5, 2018, at 11:18 AM, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>     What do you think of Apple’s new patent? Here is a link with more
>> info.
>>
>> https://www.idropnews.com/news/apple-invents-clothing-technology-assist-blind-visually-impaired/75869/
>>
>> Mikayla
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NABS-L:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com
>


-- 
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson


From inscriptioelectronicaaustralia at gmail.com  Mon Aug  6 07:34:07 2018
From: inscriptioelectronicaaustralia at gmail.com (Roger Newell)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 17:34:07 +1000
Subject: [NABS-L] =?utf-8?q?Apple=E2=80=99s_new_patent?=
In-Reply-To: <6BFC5B6C-D01E-40EC-8E01-2AF3A9B23886@icloud.com>
References: <6BFC5B6C-D01E-40EC-8E01-2AF3A9B23886@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CAE7Xp2nGN6oURF9Gv9D917a-wMRt-u_AmetpE17xzb0CB2s7kQ@mail.gmail.com>

I doubt a product like this will hit the market any time soon.

On 8/6/18, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>      What do you think of Apple’s new patent? Here is a link with more info.
>
> https://www.idropnews.com/news/apple-invents-clothing-technology-assist-blind-visually-impaired/75869/
>
> Mikayla
>
> Sent from my iPad
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NABS-L:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/inscriptioelectronicaaustralia%40gmail.com
>


From ALewis at nfb.org  Mon Aug  6 21:02:07 2018
From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 21:02:07 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] Opportunity for Testing accessibility of Math Graphing
 Tools ($150.00 Amazon gift card)
Message-ID: <BN6PR17MB16681B63DE7F8A735A3746C9C1200@BN6PR17MB1668.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>


The National Federation of the Blind is recruiting blind students to participate in a 1 ½ hour usability study to test the accessibility of certain math graphing tools. Each participating student will receive a $150.00 Amazon gift card. The testing will occur August 21-24, 2018, and students can participate remotely.

Requirements for participation are:


  1.  The student has passed intermediate algebra or a higher math course
  2.  The student knows how to graph a circle in the coordinate plane
  3.  The student knows how to shade a region in a coordinate plane that corresponds to a system of linear inequalities
  4.  The student has access to a computer with JAWS 17, 18, or 2018 installed
  5.  The student has access to a computer microphone or phone line

If you believe you qualify to participate in this study and are interested, please email Stacie Dubnow at sdubnow at nfb.org<mailto:sdubnow at nfb.org>.

Stacie Dubnow, J.D.
Project Manager
200 East Wells Street, Baltimore, MD 21230
(410) 659-9314, Ext. 2442 | sdubnow at nfb.org


[National Federation of the Blind]<https://nfb.org/>

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From johnawright98 at gmail.com  Tue Aug  7 01:46:00 2018
From: johnawright98 at gmail.com (johnawright98 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 21:46:00 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Fundraising Committee Call
Message-ID: <0D2D6CDD-48DE-43A7-ADF4-73AF12FC27C6@gmail.com>

Hello, all!

The fundraising committee is having their monthly conference call this Sunday, August 12th, at 9pm Eastern, 6pm Pacific. If you have questions, ideas, or just want to learn more about fundraising, please join us by calling (712) 770-5197 and entering the access code 265669. 

See you there!

Johna Wright
Vice President, National Federation of the Blind Community Service Division 
Social Media Chair, National Association of Blind Students

From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  7 02:18:37 2018
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 02:18:37 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?
Message-ID: <BL0PR04MB48995A7CD838AD45147E2851BA270@BL0PR04MB4899.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Hello All,

As the National Association of Blind Students reaches out to new members and new partners, there has been an increase in various media platforms used to connect with these new members and partners. So in the new age of media platforms, how do you see the NABS email list fitting in with these other media platforms?

What do you believe should be the purpose of the NABS email list now that we use other media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter? Do you still see a role for the NABS email list among these new media platforms? If so what do you believe the role of the NABS email list should be among these new media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter?

I feel as though the discussion on the NABS email list has decreased as other media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter have become more popular. So I am just curious if there is still a place for the NABS email list in the 21st century.

I look forward to receiving your ideas in regards to this matter.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Tue Aug  7 02:29:36 2018
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 16:29:36 -1000
Subject: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR04MB48995A7CD838AD45147E2851BA270@BL0PR04MB4899.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BL0PR04MB48995A7CD838AD45147E2851BA270@BL0PR04MB4899.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <4D45D7EC-52E6-4731-BEF4-6A6197DAC1DC@gmail.com>

Hi Elizabeth,
That's a really interesting topic for discussion.
I think the NABS email list will always be important because not everyone uses social media. Also, the particular social media platforms that are now currently used might be less so in the coming years, when there are new social media platforms.
I also think that, since this is a student list and there are a few still in middle and high school, many parents would feel more comfortable allowing their children to use an email list, which is heavily filtered, rather than Facebook and Twitter, which they might be more hesitant to allow their child to use.
This is a good topic though, and I'm curious to see what others say.
Vejas

Sent from my iPhone

> On 6 Aug 2018, at 16:18, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> As the National Association of Blind Students reaches out to new members and new partners, there has been an increase in various media platforms used to connect with these new members and partners. So in the new age of media platforms, how do you see the NABS email list fitting in with these other media platforms?
> 
> What do you believe should be the purpose of the NABS email list now that we use other media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter? Do you still see a role for the NABS email list among these new media platforms? If so what do you believe the role of the NABS email list should be among these new media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter?
> 
> I feel as though the discussion on the NABS email list has decreased as other media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter have become more popular. So I am just curious if there is still a place for the NABS email list in the 21st century.
> 
> I look forward to receiving your ideas in regards to this matter.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> _______________________________________________
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> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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From janae.burgmeier at gmail.com  Tue Aug  7 02:30:38 2018
From: janae.burgmeier at gmail.com (Janae Burgmeier)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 21:30:38 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Thank you Outreach!
Message-ID: <4740688C-CE1D-48BB-B31E-BDEC5D2F5185@gmail.com>

Thank you to everyone who came to our outreach call this evening!  We had a lovely bunch and some great ideas. If you were on the call, please shoot me an e mail. I would love to chat with everyone individually to find a way to get you involved in a Prime t that interests you. If you were not on the call but still want to help with the outreach committee, please let me know that too. My e mail address is janae.burgmeier@ Gmail.com. Have a great evening students. 

Sent from my iPhone

From cory.j.mcmahon at gmail.com  Tue Aug  7 02:35:01 2018
From: cory.j.mcmahon at gmail.com (Cory McMahon)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 21:35:01 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR04MB48995A7CD838AD45147E2851BA270@BL0PR04MB4899.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BL0PR04MB48995A7CD838AD45147E2851BA270@BL0PR04MB4899.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <115901d42df7$3e72a5e0$bb57f1a0$@gmail.com>

Dear Elizabeth and all:

I'm curious to know from what place this question was generated; for
instance: Is this a question under consideration amongst the NABS
leadership?

I personally find the NABS e-mail list to be of great benefit as I do not
have all the time in the world to be searching my twitter timeline (and the
timeline of others) to determine whether a subject in which I have an
interest has been discussed by fellow students; whereas with e-mail, I am
able to read various subject lines and determine if I desire to open the
e-mail and learn about and/or share my experience on an issue being
discussed.

While I believe efforts should be made to take advantage of various "media
platforms" in terms of outreach, etc. I strongly believe there's certainly a
place for a NABS e-mail list; however, I recognize that I am one person, and
a majority may feel different.

Sincerely,

Cory McMahon

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Elizabeth Mohnke via
NABS-L
Sent: Monday, August 6, 2018 9:19 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
Subject: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?

Hello All,

As the National Association of Blind Students reaches out to new members and
new partners, there has been an increase in various media platforms used to
connect with these new members and partners. So in the new age of media
platforms, how do you see the NABS email list fitting in with these other
media platforms?

What do you believe should be the purpose of the NABS email list now that we
use other media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter? Do you still see a
role for the NABS email list among these new media platforms? If so what do
you believe the role of the NABS email list should be among these new media
platforms such as Facebook and Twitter?

I feel as though the discussion on the NABS email list has decreased as
other media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter have become more popular.
So I am just curious if there is still a place for the NABS email list in
the 21st century.

I look forward to receiving your ideas in regards to this matter.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth
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From matthewhgip at gmail.com  Tue Aug  7 02:55:26 2018
From: matthewhgip at gmail.com (Matthew Gip)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 19:55:26 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?
In-Reply-To: <115901d42df7$3e72a5e0$bb57f1a0$@gmail.com>
References: <BL0PR04MB48995A7CD838AD45147E2851BA270@BL0PR04MB4899.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<115901d42df7$3e72a5e0$bb57f1a0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B5FEF1DC-126A-4DB0-8A4E-5E55BFA15691@gmail.com>

Dear All, 

First off, I would like to note that this topic of discussion was generated during our first outreach committee call, which I must say, was a very lively and energetic call, filled with innovative and fascinating ideas. In my opinion, the NABS email list will always be a huge factor in getting all of us students engaged and involved. Though there are forms of social media such as our Facebook page/group, Twitter, and even our YouTube channel and podcast that will be launched soon; this list provides everyone the need and usefulness to gather resources and any other helpful tips they may need to be successful. Not everyone has a Facebook or Twitter, some might not even have either, so this list accommodates those who do not have a form of accessing social media, but everyone should at least have an email, whether it’s for your school, work, or personal needs. What we can also do, is whenever a discussion gets posted on our list serv, our social media coordinator can post it up on those platforms or vise verse, so none of us are missing anything and can still discuss the topic(s) like the huge NABS family we are. Finally, this list serv will always be useful because this is where announcements and reminders are sent out, so you don’t want to miss any of those important events. Thanks. 

Best, 
Matthew Gip 
President | California Association of Blind Students 
A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind of California 
Co-Chair | National Association of Blind Students Outreach Committee 
Phone: (559) 375-2068 
Email: matthewhgip at gmail.com


> On Aug 6, 2018, at 7:35 PM, Cory McMahon via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Elizabeth and all:
> 
> I'm curious to know from what place this question was generated; for
> instance: Is this a question under consideration amongst the NABS
> leadership?
> 
> I personally find the NABS e-mail list to be of great benefit as I do not
> have all the time in the world to be searching my twitter timeline (and the
> timeline of others) to determine whether a subject in which I have an
> interest has been discussed by fellow students; whereas with e-mail, I am
> able to read various subject lines and determine if I desire to open the
> e-mail and learn about and/or share my experience on an issue being
> discussed.
> 
> While I believe efforts should be made to take advantage of various "media
> platforms" in terms of outreach, etc. I strongly believe there's certainly a
> place for a NABS e-mail list; however, I recognize that I am one person, and
> a majority may feel different.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Cory McMahon
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Elizabeth Mohnke via
> NABS-L
> Sent: Monday, August 6, 2018 9:19 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> As the National Association of Blind Students reaches out to new members and
> new partners, there has been an increase in various media platforms used to
> connect with these new members and partners. So in the new age of media
> platforms, how do you see the NABS email list fitting in with these other
> media platforms?
> 
> What do you believe should be the purpose of the NABS email list now that we
> use other media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter? Do you still see a
> role for the NABS email list among these new media platforms? If so what do
> you believe the role of the NABS email list should be among these new media
> platforms such as Facebook and Twitter?
> 
> I feel as though the discussion on the NABS email list has decreased as
> other media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter have become more popular.
> So I am just curious if there is still a place for the NABS email list in
> the 21st century.
> 
> I look forward to receiving your ideas in regards to this matter.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NABS-L:
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> om
> 
> 
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From tyler at tysdomain.com  Tue Aug  7 03:07:55 2018
From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 23:07:55 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR04MB48995A7CD838AD45147E2851BA270@BL0PR04MB4899.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BL0PR04MB48995A7CD838AD45147E2851BA270@BL0PR04MB4899.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <27b3809d-4998-5eac-5ae2-f588b32c0fb8@tysdomain.com>

I feel like this question has been asked already, but it's worth
repeating: what is the purpose of this thread? is this musings of a
member, or are there discussions about this list in terms of leadership?

It's worth note that there are social media platforms, but not all of
them are viable for conveying your thoughts, ideas and questions.
Twitter limits you generally to 280 characters unless you want to
long-tweet your novel which is doable but harder to read, threads are
generally harder to follow, etc. This also requires that there be a
network of all blind students following each other, and they might
clutter your timeline with other garbage that you dont' wish to see. So
the tl/dr version of this is simply that Twitter is not viable for heavy
discussion, searching and following individual threads without some work.

Facebook lends itself to these kinds of discussions, but it's harder for
people to follow--groups and group posts can get hidden, for some of us
it's harder to filter--I have all nabs stuff going into a separate
folder that I can look through when I want, for example and it's
slightly less anonymous. That last bit is important to me because my
email isn't going to mean that a thread response has everyone and their
mother dog and cat adding me to Facebook simply because we have the
mutual characteristic of having defective eyeballs and friends in common.

I think the fact that this thread has gotten so much response in a short
amount of time is a great indicator of the fact that this list is still
alive and kicking. It's still a great way to send information back and
forth, and in the months when most people are in classes (note that this
is summer) there is much more activity generally. It's also worth note
that most people have their own platform of choice: voice messaging
systems, smoke signals, owl, Facebook, Twitter, and trying to branch out
across all of them and bring students together is going to make the task
of being able to help each other all the more daunting.

Thanks,
Ty


On 8/6/2018 10:18 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> As the National Association of Blind Students reaches out to new members and new partners, there has been an increase in various media platforms used to connect with these new members and partners. So in the new age of media platforms, how do you see the NABS email list fitting in with these other media platforms?
>
> What do you believe should be the purpose of the NABS email list now that we use other media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter? Do you still see a role for the NABS email list among these new media platforms? If so what do you believe the role of the NABS email list should be among these new media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter?
>
> I feel as though the discussion on the NABS email list has decreased as other media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter have become more popular. So I am just curious if there is still a place for the NABS email list in the 21st century.
>
> I look forward to receiving your ideas in regards to this matter.
>
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com


-- 

Take Care,
Tyler Littlefield

Tyler Littlefield Consulting: website development and business
solutions. <http://tylerlittlefield.me> My personal site
<http://tysdomain.com> My Linkedin
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/ty-lerlittlefield> @Sorressean on Twitter
<http://twitter.com/sorressean>

From cricketbidleman at gmail.com  Tue Aug  7 03:31:34 2018
From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket X. Bidleman)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 20:31:34 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?
In-Reply-To: <27b3809d-4998-5eac-5ae2-f588b32c0fb8@tysdomain.com>
References: <BL0PR04MB48995A7CD838AD45147E2851BA270@BL0PR04MB4899.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<27b3809d-4998-5eac-5ae2-f588b32c0fb8@tysdomain.com>
Message-ID: <CABP7S8NZAKoYFGa4FRW1jRH-QMhA=57cdAYQTxHt3vVDs6SVjA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

This is a great topic of discussion. As has been pointed out several
times, this thread is still highly relevant. I want to point out that
additionally, from a marketing standpoint, and I use that term
loosely, NABS caters to not just students. We are a proud division of
the National Federation of the Blind, which encompasses a vast
audience that includes people of all ages and situations in life. I
did not have a Facebook until 2015, nor a Twitter until 2017. I still
primarily use email because it's a great way to communicate in an
organized manner. I don't have time to read a million tweets per day.
Also, I'm sure there are some significantly less young folks out there
who would prefer to use email rather than Facebook or Twitter. And to
be honest, I don't check Facebook groups that often myself. As issues
in blindness education are being increasingly highlighted, I think
it's important to start reaching out to younger audiences and like
someone said earlier, parents often prefer to have a little more
filtering, which is slightly more possible with email.

Matt suggested that a board member or someone on the outreach team
could possibly post the content of email list discussions on Facebook
and/or Twitter each day. While I think that could be a good idea, I
would suggest posting discussion threads that just include the topics
of discussion, rather than all the emails. That could get really
tedious. There are people on social media who may not be on email so
much, and they could definitely have some thoughts to contribute.

Thank you all for a lively discussion. I want to reiterate the
importance of email in all aspects of life. I receive about a hundred
emails per day, including my Stanford inbox, and I write electronic
correspondence for school, work, personal stuff, advocacy, and the
list goes on and on. The NABS list is just as important to me as any
of the other correspondence I read and write. Long live the NABS
listserv! :)

Best,
Cricket X. Bidleman (she/her/hers)
Stanford University | Class of 2021

On 8/6/18, Littlefield, Tyler via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I feel like this question has been asked already, but it's worth
> repeating: what is the purpose of this thread? is this musings of a
> member, or are there discussions about this list in terms of leadership?
>
> It's worth note that there are social media platforms, but not all of
> them are viable for conveying your thoughts, ideas and questions.
> Twitter limits you generally to 280 characters unless you want to
> long-tweet your novel which is doable but harder to read, threads are
> generally harder to follow, etc. This also requires that there be a
> network of all blind students following each other, and they might
> clutter your timeline with other garbage that you dont' wish to see. So
> the tl/dr version of this is simply that Twitter is not viable for heavy
> discussion, searching and following individual threads without some work.
>
> Facebook lends itself to these kinds of discussions, but it's harder for
> people to follow--groups and group posts can get hidden, for some of us
> it's harder to filter--I have all nabs stuff going into a separate
> folder that I can look through when I want, for example and it's
> slightly less anonymous. That last bit is important to me because my
> email isn't going to mean that a thread response has everyone and their
> mother dog and cat adding me to Facebook simply because we have the
> mutual characteristic of having defective eyeballs and friends in common.
>
> I think the fact that this thread has gotten so much response in a short
> amount of time is a great indicator of the fact that this list is still
> alive and kicking. It's still a great way to send information back and
> forth, and in the months when most people are in classes (note that this
> is summer) there is much more activity generally. It's also worth note
> that most people have their own platform of choice: voice messaging
> systems, smoke signals, owl, Facebook, Twitter, and trying to branch out
> across all of them and bring students together is going to make the task
> of being able to help each other all the more daunting.
>
> Thanks,
> Ty
>
>
> On 8/6/2018 10:18 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote:
>> Hello All,
>>
>> As the National Association of Blind Students reaches out to new members
>> and new partners, there has been an increase in various media platforms
>> used to connect with these new members and partners. So in the new age of
>> media platforms, how do you see the NABS email list fitting in with these
>> other media platforms?
>>
>> What do you believe should be the purpose of the NABS email list now that
>> we use other media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter? Do you still
>> see a role for the NABS email list among these new media platforms? If so
>> what do you believe the role of the NABS email list should be among these
>> new media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter?
>>
>> I feel as though the discussion on the NABS email list has decreased as
>> other media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter have become more
>> popular. So I am just curious if there is still a place for the NABS email
>> list in the 21st century.
>>
>> I look forward to receiving your ideas in regards to this matter.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>> Elizabeth
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com
>
>
> --
>
> Take Care,
> Tyler Littlefield
>
> Tyler Littlefield Consulting: website development and business
> solutions. <http://tylerlittlefield.me> My personal site
> <http://tysdomain.com> My Linkedin
> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/ty-lerlittlefield> @Sorressean on Twitter
> <http://twitter.com/sorressean>
> _______________________________________________
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> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NABS-L:
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>


From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  7 04:47:37 2018
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 04:47:37 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?
In-Reply-To: <CABP7S8NZAKoYFGa4FRW1jRH-QMhA=57cdAYQTxHt3vVDs6SVjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BL0PR04MB48995A7CD838AD45147E2851BA270@BL0PR04MB4899.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<27b3809d-4998-5eac-5ae2-f588b32c0fb8@tysdomain.com>
	<CABP7S8NZAKoYFGa4FRW1jRH-QMhA=57cdAYQTxHt3vVDs6SVjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BL0PR04MB4899F4E8FD6B1E8453911D56BA270@BL0PR04MB4899.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Hello All,

I have been a member of the outreach committee for the past year, and I plan to remain a member of the outreach committee for the upcoming year as well.  I have noticed specific goals, discussions, and leadership positions for other forms of social media platforms including Twitter, Facebook, NABS website, monthly blog posts, monthly membership calls, and the new YouTube channel and podcast series. However, there no longer appears to be any specific goals, discussions, or leadership positions for the NABS email list within the outreach committee.

As a NABS member who has been around for a while, I remember a time when the NABS email list was alive with meaningful discussions between the general membership and current and former members of the NABS board. However, over the past couple of years the NABS email list appears to be limited mostly to the NABS Monthly Notes, event announcements, candidate endorsements before national convention, and technical questions.

It was mentioned during the outreach committee meeting that there was something posted to Twitter after the membership conference call last week. And after the membership conference call on travel a couple of months ago, it was mentioned that there was going to be some follow-up discussion on the new Facebook group. However, there was no message sent out to the NABS email list after the membership conference call last week.  Nor was there any follow-up discussion posted on the NABS email list after the membership conference call on travel from a couple of months ago.

So given the fact that the outreach committee appears to be focusing on other social media platforms, and the discussion on the NABS email list has been dwindling over the past couple of years, I was simply curious if the NABS email list is still important to the general membership. And if so, what role it plays in terms of general members remaining connected to the organization. And what type of content is best suited for an email list rather than or in addition to other forms of social media platforms.

I am an older non-traditional college student who generally does not use social media much beyond email lists. So I was simply curious about how other students who are younger than me and use social media more than me feel about the importance and relevance of the NABS email list. If the NABS email list is still important and relevant to the general membership, then perhaps it should still be important and relevant to the NABS leadership as well.

Thank you for everyone who has contributed to this discussion. I find all of the responses to be rather helpful in understanding how general members stay connected to the National Association of Blind Students.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth


From theweird1 at mediacombb.net  Tue Aug  7 05:51:08 2018
From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 00:51:08 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?
In-Reply-To: mtvVfzZUiqAbimtvWfF4Am
References: <BL0PR04MB48995A7CD838AD45147E2851BA270@BL0PR04MB4899.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>	<27b3809d-4998-5eac-5ae2-f588b32c0fb8@tysdomain.com>	<CABP7S8NZAKoYFGa4FRW1jRH-QMhA=57cdAYQTxHt3vVDs6SVjA@mail.gmail.com>
	mtvVfzZUiqAbimtvWfF4Am
Message-ID: <000401d42e12$a456ada0$ed0408e0$@mediacombb.net>

I have found the mailing list to be helpful and at entertaining.  It has
lifted my spirits at times.  I am currently a non-matriculating students.
When I return, (whenever that is), I will again be a non-traditional
student.  

I have other stuff to say.  But will not post it in this post.  It's not
bad. I'm just not sure how to express with I am thinking and feeling.  I
guess, trying to get my wife through cancer and several grandkids able to
deal with numerous emotionala and behavioral issues is leaving me feeling
overwhelmed at the moment.  

Anyway, enough of my ramblings.  If I can help someone, I am always willing
to give what I have.  I'm not good at making calls, and for that, I am
totally sorry.  

Sincerely yours

Loren Wakefield  


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Elizabeth Mohnke via
NABS-L
Sent: Monday, August 6, 2018 11:48 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?

Hello All,

I have been a member of the outreach committee for the past year, and I plan
to remain a member of the outreach committee for the upcoming year as well.
I have noticed specific goals, discussions, and leadership positions for
other forms of social media platforms including Twitter, Facebook, NABS
website, monthly blog posts, monthly membership calls, and the new YouTube
channel and podcast series. However, there no longer appears to be any
specific goals, discussions, or leadership positions for the NABS email list
within the outreach committee.

As a NABS member who has been around for a while, I remember a time when the
NABS email list was alive with meaningful discussions between the general
membership and current and former members of the NABS board. However, over
the past couple of years the NABS email list appears to be limited mostly to
the NABS Monthly Notes, event announcements, candidate endorsements before
national convention, and technical questions.

It was mentioned during the outreach committee meeting that there was
something posted to Twitter after the membership conference call last week.
And after the membership conference call on travel a couple of months ago,
it was mentioned that there was going to be some follow-up discussion on the
new Facebook group. However, there was no message sent out to the NABS email
list after the membership conference call last week.  Nor was there any
follow-up discussion posted on the NABS email list after the membership
conference call on travel from a couple of months ago.

So given the fact that the outreach committee appears to be focusing on
other social media platforms, and the discussion on the NABS email list has
been dwindling over the past couple of years, I was simply curious if the
NABS email list is still important to the general membership. And if so,
what role it plays in terms of general members remaining connected to the
organization. And what type of content is best suited for an email list
rather than or in addition to other forms of social media platforms.

I am an older non-traditional college student who generally does not use
social media much beyond email lists. So I was simply curious about how
other students who are younger than me and use social media more than me
feel about the importance and relevance of the NABS email list. If the NABS
email list is still important and relevant to the general membership, then
perhaps it should still be important and relevant to the NABS leadership as
well.

Thank you for everyone who has contributed to this discussion. I find all of
the responses to be rather helpful in understanding how general members stay
connected to the National Association of Blind Students.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Tue Aug  7 12:33:05 2018
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2018 08:33:05 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?
Message-ID: <5b699184.1c69fb81.c450b.2b39@mx.google.com>

Hi Elizabeth thanks for your message. I still believe that there is a purpose for the Nabs email list in the 21st century. I would like to see the discussion increased on this list in the future.

On Aug 6, 2018 10:18 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hello All, 
>
> As the National Association of Blind Students reaches out to new members and new partners, there has been an increase in various media platforms used to connect with these new members and partners. So in the new age of media platforms, how do you see the NABS email list fitting in with these other media platforms? 
>
> What do you believe should be the purpose of the NABS email list now that we use other media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter? Do you still see a role for the NABS email list among these new media platforms? If so what do you believe the role of the NABS email list should be among these new media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter? 
>
> I feel as though the discussion on the NABS email list has decreased as other media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter have become more popular. So I am just curious if there is still a place for the NABS email list in the 21st century. 
>
> I look forward to receiving your ideas in regards to this matter. 
>
> Warm regards, 
> Elizabeth 
> _______________________________________________ 
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> NABS-L at nfbnet.org 
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org 
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: 
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com 

From jldail13 at gmail.com  Tue Aug  7 13:14:00 2018
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 09:14:00 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR04MB48995A7CD838AD45147E2851BA270@BL0PR04MB4899.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BL0PR04MB48995A7CD838AD45147E2851BA270@BL0PR04MB4899.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <A0D39A0D-71D3-496F-825E-C546E9D86A41@gmail.com>

Hi,
Yes, I feel the email lists are absolutely necessary for people like myself, who are not allowed on social media.

Having these lists still allows everyone to communicate and keep up with the happenings of the NFB. 

Thanks,
Jessica


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 6, 2018, at 10:18 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> As the National Association of Blind Students reaches out to new members and new partners, there has been an increase in various media platforms used to connect with these new members and partners. So in the new age of media platforms, how do you see the NABS email list fitting in with these other media platforms?
> 
> What do you believe should be the purpose of the NABS email list now that we use other media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter? Do you still see a role for the NABS email list among these new media platforms? If so what do you believe the role of the NABS email list should be among these new media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter?
> 
> I feel as though the discussion on the NABS email list has decreased as other media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter have become more popular. So I am just curious if there is still a place for the NABS email list in the 21st century.
> 
> I look forward to receiving your ideas in regards to this matter.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
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From royzlilye at gmx.com  Tue Aug  7 13:20:52 2018
From: royzlilye at gmx.com (Leye-Shprintse Oeberg)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 15:20:52 +0200
Subject: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?
In-Reply-To: <B5FEF1DC-126A-4DB0-8A4E-5E55BFA15691@gmail.com>
References: <BL0PR04MB48995A7CD838AD45147E2851BA270@BL0PR04MB4899.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<115901d42df7$3e72a5e0$bb57f1a0$@gmail.com>
	<B5FEF1DC-126A-4DB0-8A4E-5E55BFA15691@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3A16720B-FD1B-4818-955B-FB526F1E813D@gmx.com>

בּס’ד

Hi,

I will just give my opinion to this discussion; however, I am not a member of the NABS because I live on the other side of the Pond. I think that it is important to not use social media to the main communication of an association because you do not own them, they own your material, and tomorrow, they can decide to put down or change their services. Social media shall draw people to your website/blog and communication which you own, not the other side around.

Anyhow, thank you for being such a support during my university studies which have been really up and down, and currently, it is quite down, but G-d willing, I will survive this as well.

Kind regards,
לשׁלום,
Mlle Leye-Shprintse Oeberg
Jönköping, Suède
royzlilye at gmx.com
Envoyé de mon iPhone SE

> Le 7 août 2018 à 04:55, Matthew Gip via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> a écrit :
> 
> Dear All, 
> 
> First off, I would like to note that this topic of discussion was generated during our first outreach committee call, which I must say, was a very lively and energetic call, filled with innovative and fascinating ideas. In my opinion, the NABS email list will always be a huge factor in getting all of us students engaged and involved. Though there are forms of social media such as our Facebook page/group, Twitter, and even our YouTube channel and podcast that will be launched soon; this list provides everyone the need and usefulness to gather resources and any other helpful tips they may need to be successful. Not everyone has a Facebook or Twitter, some might not even have either, so this list accommodates those who do not have a form of accessing social media, but everyone should at least have an email, whether it’s for your school, work, or personal needs. What we can also do, is whenever a discussion gets posted on our list serv, our social media coordinator can post it up on those platforms or vise verse, so none of us are missing anything and can still discuss the topic(s) like the huge NABS family we are. Finally, this list serv will always be useful because this is where announcements and reminders are sent out, so you don’t want to miss any of those important events. Thanks. 
> 
> Best, 
> Matthew Gip 
> President | California Association of Blind Students 
> A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind of California 
> Co-Chair | National Association of Blind Students Outreach Committee 
> Phone: (559) 375-2068 
> Email: matthewhgip at gmail.com
> 
> 
>> On Aug 6, 2018, at 7:35 PM, Cory McMahon via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Elizabeth and all:
>> 
>> I'm curious to know from what place this question was generated; for
>> instance: Is this a question under consideration amongst the NABS
>> leadership?
>> 
>> I personally find the NABS e-mail list to be of great benefit as I do not
>> have all the time in the world to be searching my twitter timeline (and the
>> timeline of others) to determine whether a subject in which I have an
>> interest has been discussed by fellow students; whereas with e-mail, I am
>> able to read various subject lines and determine if I desire to open the
>> e-mail and learn about and/or share my experience on an issue being
>> discussed.
>> 
>> While I believe efforts should be made to take advantage of various "media
>> platforms" in terms of outreach, etc. I strongly believe there's certainly a
>> place for a NABS e-mail list; however, I recognize that I am one person, and
>> a majority may feel different.
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> Cory McMahon
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Elizabeth Mohnke via
>> NABS-L
>> Sent: Monday, August 6, 2018 9:19 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> As the National Association of Blind Students reaches out to new members and
>> new partners, there has been an increase in various media platforms used to
>> connect with these new members and partners. So in the new age of media
>> platforms, how do you see the NABS email list fitting in with these other
>> media platforms?
>> 
>> What do you believe should be the purpose of the NABS email list now that we
>> use other media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter? Do you still see a
>> role for the NABS email list among these new media platforms? If so what do
>> you believe the role of the NABS email list should be among these new media
>> platforms such as Facebook and Twitter?
>> 
>> I feel as though the discussion on the NABS email list has decreased as
>> other media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter have become more popular.
>> So I am just curious if there is still a place for the NABS email list in
>> the 21st century.
>> 
>> I look forward to receiving your ideas in regards to this matter.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> Elizabeth
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> NABS-L:
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>> om
>> 
>> 
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
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> 
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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Tue Aug  7 13:22:06 2018
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (President, NABS | Kathryn Webster)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 09:22:06 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?
In-Reply-To: <A0D39A0D-71D3-496F-825E-C546E9D86A41@gmail.com>
References: <BL0PR04MB48995A7CD838AD45147E2851BA270@BL0PR04MB4899.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<A0D39A0D-71D3-496F-825E-C546E9D86A41@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <010601d42e51$a3b0d210$eb127630$@gmail.com>

I love this discussion! It sparks so many ideas on how we can further
improve our mailing list. 

Some initial thoughts come to mind - 
1. Should the Outreach Committee institute weekly discussion starters on the
list?
2. How do we make the list more active, but also not too overwhelming with
email traffic? 
3. What are ways we can better engage our members?

These are just some immediate questions I have, but I am excited to hear
from all of you! Let's get our creative juices flowing!

Love,
Kathryn

Kathryn C. Webster
President | National Association of Blind Students
   A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind
(203) 273-8463
Nabs.president at gmail.com | www.nabslink.org

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jessica Dail
via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 9:14 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Jessica Dail <jldail13 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?

Hi,
Yes, I feel the email lists are absolutely necessary for people like myself,
who are not allowed on social media.

Having these lists still allows everyone to communicate and keep up with the
happenings of the NFB. 

Thanks,
Jessica


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 6, 2018, at 10:18 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> As the National Association of Blind Students reaches out to new members
and new partners, there has been an increase in various media platforms used
to connect with these new members and partners. So in the new age of media
platforms, how do you see the NABS email list fitting in with these other
media platforms?
> 
> What do you believe should be the purpose of the NABS email list now that
we use other media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter? Do you still see
a role for the NABS email list among these new media platforms? If so what
do you believe the role of the NABS email list should be among these new
media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter?
> 
> I feel as though the discussion on the NABS email list has decreased as
other media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter have become more popular.
So I am just curious if there is still a place for the NABS email list in
the 21st century.
> 
> I look forward to receiving your ideas in regards to this matter.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
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NABS-L:
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From michael.ausbun at gmail.com  Tue Aug  7 16:30:36 2018
From: michael.ausbun at gmail.com (michael.ausbun at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 09:30:36 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?
In-Reply-To: <010601d42e51$a3b0d210$eb127630$@gmail.com>
References: <BL0PR04MB48995A7CD838AD45147E2851BA270@BL0PR04MB4899.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>	<A0D39A0D-71D3-496F-825E-C546E9D86A41@gmail.com>
	<010601d42e51$a3b0d210$eb127630$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002401d42e6b$f9001ea0$eb005be0$@gmail.com>

Hello All:
I have been thinking about the discussion that has been taking place, and in
lieu of president Webster's questions, you can find my thoughts, or at least
some of them, below:
1. Should the Outreach Committee institute weekly discussion starters on the
list?
	I am of the opinion that this should absolutely be the case. I do
not think that we should ask questions merely to ask questions-"what is your
favorite animal?"-but I think that facilitating discussion weekly would be
useful. There are a lot of people with a variety of circumstances
prohibiting group participation, or, asking questions that may be on their
minds. It's the old adage, "there are no stupid questions; ask, because
someone else most certainly has the same question."
	Further, I think these directed questions could be utilized in a way
to assist our students in understanding, and engaging with, our
organizational philosophy. Our philosophy and history is rich and wide
reaching. Often I have found that our members do not know where to start. If
provided the  first step, I believe our members will be fully capable on
continuing exploration and find their place in our beautiful organization. 
2. How do we make the list more active, but also not too overwhelming with
email traffic? 
	This question has been on my mind for many years. I do not believe
that you can have both simultaneously. As our student division  grows we
will necessarily see an up in traffic. If we, the membership, are
contributing thoughtfully and continuing to provide engaging questions and
comments, there likely will be more contributions. My only suggestion is
that people be conscious regarding the number of posts and the information
provided. For example, we should all try to read the entirety of the
conversation so we do not duplicate information, and try not to post back to
back to back with no other responses between our posts on a given topic. 
3. What are ways we can better engage our members?
	Electronically, we need to move to other social media platforms.
People like me, isolated to Facebook and twitter, are behind the times. We
are losing out on possible connections with a younger audience. Instagram,
snapchat, and the like are ever popular with those born after 2000. Although
there are a lot of students in their collegiate years, we must find those
students in compulsory education. Those in K-12 need us, and quite frankly,
we need them to. 
I have other thoughts, but I need to reflect a little longer.
Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun
Secretary/Treasurer, Louisiana Association of Blind Students
Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Nevada

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of President, NABS |
Kathryn Webster via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 6:22 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: President, NABS | Kathryn Webster <nabs.president at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?

I love this discussion! It sparks so many ideas on how we can further
improve our mailing list. 

Some initial thoughts come to mind -
1. Should the Outreach Committee institute weekly discussion starters on the
list?
2. How do we make the list more active, but also not too overwhelming with
email traffic? 
3. What are ways we can better engage our members?

These are just some immediate questions I have, but I am excited to hear
from all of you! Let's get our creative juices flowing!

Love,
Kathryn

Kathryn C. Webster
President | National Association of Blind Students
   A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind
(203) 273-8463
Nabs.president at gmail.com | www.nabslink.org

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jessica Dail
via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 9:14 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Jessica Dail <jldail13 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?

Hi,
Yes, I feel the email lists are absolutely necessary for people like myself,
who are not allowed on social media.

Having these lists still allows everyone to communicate and keep up with the
happenings of the NFB. 

Thanks,
Jessica


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 6, 2018, at 10:18 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> As the National Association of Blind Students reaches out to new 
> members
and new partners, there has been an increase in various media platforms used
to connect with these new members and partners. So in the new age of media
platforms, how do you see the NABS email list fitting in with these other
media platforms?
> 
> What do you believe should be the purpose of the NABS email list now 
> that
we use other media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter? Do you still see
a role for the NABS email list among these new media platforms? If so what
do you believe the role of the NABS email list should be among these new
media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter?
> 
> I feel as though the discussion on the NABS email list has decreased 
> as
other media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter have become more popular.
So I am just curious if there is still a place for the NABS email list in
the 21st century.
> 
> I look forward to receiving your ideas in regards to this matter.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
NABS-L:
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> om

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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Tue Aug  7 16:50:30 2018
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2018 06:50:30 -1000
Subject: [NABS-L] Films and College Classes
Message-ID: <5b69cde4.1c69fb81.d0af7.e8ad@mx.google.com>

Hi All,

I am going to be a junior in college next month.  My professor 
for my Abnormal Psychology class has already sent me his 
syllabus.  In addition to reading from the textbook, we will 
sometimes be reading articles from the Internet.  There will also 
be two bigger papers, one on a book and one on a film (it is a 
film of choice based on a list of several, so I have not chosen 
yet).  The paper will be 5 to 6 pages long.
My concern is for the film paper.
So far, I have very rarely had assignments related to films.  
Most of the films I have watched in my previous classes have just 
been extra supplemental material with no further requirements.  
On two occasions I have had to do very short assignments with 
films, I watched them with my parents who provided descriptions.  
I am just concerned because the film assignment in this class is 
a final paper, whereas the other assignments I have done in the 
past did not carry that much weight.  I am considering asking my 
professor if, rather than writing my final assignment on a film, 
I can write it on another book related to abnormal psychology, 
the subject concerned.
Have any of you written a final paper on a film before, and did 
it work out for you? What do you all think of me asking about the 
book accommodation?

Thanks,
Vejas Vasiliauskas
Secretary and Treasurer of the California Association of Blind 
Students
Phone: (310) 265-3949
Email: alpineimagination at gmail.com


From michael.ausbun at gmail.com  Tue Aug  7 17:02:38 2018
From: michael.ausbun at gmail.com (michael.ausbun at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 10:02:38 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] Films and College Classes
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Hello Vejas,
	In my experience, I have found that most films in the field of
psychology are generally accessible and interpretive from dialogue alone.
Although there are clearly some aspects you will necessarily miss out
on-facial expressions, body language etc.-I think if you  apply
psychological theory or your epistemic base to a critical analysis of the
film, you should be fine. If you find yourself extremely concerned, I would
discuss the paper with your  professor; however, I do not think, just based
on the little information I have, that a replacement or altered assignment
is necessary.
I hope this helps.
Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun
Secretary/treasurer, Louisiana Association of Blind Students

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Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 9:51 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
Subject: [NABS-L] Films and College Classes

Hi All,

I am going to be a junior in college next month.  My professor for my
Abnormal Psychology class has already sent me his syllabus.  In addition to
reading from the textbook, we will sometimes be reading articles from the
Internet.  There will also be two bigger papers, one on a book and one on a
film (it is a film of choice based on a list of several, so I have not
chosen yet).  The paper will be 5 to 6 pages long.
My concern is for the film paper.
So far, I have very rarely had assignments related to films.  
Most of the films I have watched in my previous classes have just been extra
supplemental material with no further requirements.  
On two occasions I have had to do very short assignments with films, I
watched them with my parents who provided descriptions.  
I am just concerned because the film assignment in this class is a final
paper, whereas the other assignments I have done in the past did not carry
that much weight.  I am considering asking my professor if, rather than
writing my final assignment on a film, I can write it on another book
related to abnormal psychology, the subject concerned.
Have any of you written a final paper on a film before, and did it work out
for you? What do you all think of me asking about the book accommodation?

Thanks,
Vejas Vasiliauskas
Secretary and Treasurer of the California Association of Blind Students
Phone: (310) 265-3949
Email: alpineimagination at gmail.com

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From keribcu at gmail.com  Tue Aug  7 17:12:31 2018
From: keribcu at gmail.com (Keri Svendsen)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 13:12:31 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Films and College Classes
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Vejas ,


As a fellow psychology major I don't think the film would be a problem. 
If you feel you need description work with disability services, but 
typically psych movies are okay. Also, talk to the professor, and get a 
feel for how the movies are, and this may prove to be most useful. If 
the professor has ideas.



On 8/7/2018 1:02 PM, michael Ausbun via NABS-L wrote:
> Hello Vejas,
> 	In my experience, I have found that most films in the field of
> psychology are generally accessible and interpretive from dialogue alone.
> Although there are clearly some aspects you will necessarily miss out
> on-facial expressions, body language etc.-I think if you  apply
> psychological theory or your epistemic base to a critical analysis of the
> film, you should be fine. If you find yourself extremely concerned, I would
> discuss the paper with your  professor; however, I do not think, just based
> on the little information I have, that a replacement or altered assignment
> is necessary.
> I hope this helps.
> Respectfully,
> Michael Ausbun
> Secretary/treasurer, Louisiana Association of Blind Students
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Vejas Vasiliauskas via
> NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 9:51 AM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
> Subject: [NABS-L] Films and College Classes
>
> Hi All,
>
> I am going to be a junior in college next month.  My professor for my
> Abnormal Psychology class has already sent me his syllabus.  In addition to
> reading from the textbook, we will sometimes be reading articles from the
> Internet.  There will also be two bigger papers, one on a book and one on a
> film (it is a film of choice based on a list of several, so I have not
> chosen yet).  The paper will be 5 to 6 pages long.
> My concern is for the film paper.
> So far, I have very rarely had assignments related to films.
> Most of the films I have watched in my previous classes have just been extra
> supplemental material with no further requirements.
> On two occasions I have had to do very short assignments with films, I
> watched them with my parents who provided descriptions.
> I am just concerned because the film assignment in this class is a final
> paper, whereas the other assignments I have done in the past did not carry
> that much weight.  I am considering asking my professor if, rather than
> writing my final assignment on a film, I can write it on another book
> related to abnormal psychology, the subject concerned.
> Have any of you written a final paper on a film before, and did it work out
> for you? What do you all think of me asking about the book accommodation?
>
> Thanks,
> Vejas Vasiliauskas
> Secretary and Treasurer of the California Association of Blind Students
> Phone: (310) 265-3949
> Email: alpineimagination at gmail.com
>
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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Tue Aug  7 17:37:11 2018
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 13:37:11 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?
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Hi,
I’m not allowed on social media, so a mailing list like this is absolutely necessary in order for me to communicate with all of you.

Thanks,
Jessica


Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 7, 2018, at 12:30 PM, michael Ausbun via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All:
> I have been thinking about the discussion that has been taking place, and in
> lieu of president Webster's questions, you can find my thoughts, or at least
> some of them, below:
> 1. Should the Outreach Committee institute weekly discussion starters on the
> list?
>    I am of the opinion that this should absolutely be the case. I do
> not think that we should ask questions merely to ask questions-"what is your
> favorite animal?"-but I think that facilitating discussion weekly would be
> useful. There are a lot of people with a variety of circumstances
> prohibiting group participation, or, asking questions that may be on their
> minds. It's the old adage, "there are no stupid questions; ask, because
> someone else most certainly has the same question."
>    Further, I think these directed questions could be utilized in a way
> to assist our students in understanding, and engaging with, our
> organizational philosophy. Our philosophy and history is rich and wide
> reaching. Often I have found that our members do not know where to start. If
> provided the  first step, I believe our members will be fully capable on
> continuing exploration and find their place in our beautiful organization. 
> 2. How do we make the list more active, but also not too overwhelming with
> email traffic? 
>    This question has been on my mind for many years. I do not believe
> that you can have both simultaneously. As our student division  grows we
> will necessarily see an up in traffic. If we, the membership, are
> contributing thoughtfully and continuing to provide engaging questions and
> comments, there likely will be more contributions. My only suggestion is
> that people be conscious regarding the number of posts and the information
> provided. For example, we should all try to read the entirety of the
> conversation so we do not duplicate information, and try not to post back to
> back to back with no other responses between our posts on a given topic. 
> 3. What are ways we can better engage our members?
>    Electronically, we need to move to other social media platforms.
> People like me, isolated to Facebook and twitter, are behind the times. We
> are losing out on possible connections with a younger audience. Instagram,
> snapchat, and the like are ever popular with those born after 2000. Although
> there are a lot of students in their collegiate years, we must find those
> students in compulsory education. Those in K-12 need us, and quite frankly,
> we need them to. 
> I have other thoughts, but I need to reflect a little longer.
> Respectfully,
> Michael Ausbun
> Secretary/Treasurer, Louisiana Association of Blind Students
> Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Nevada
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of President, NABS |
> Kathryn Webster via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 6:22 AM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: President, NABS | Kathryn Webster <nabs.president at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?
> 
> I love this discussion! It sparks so many ideas on how we can further
> improve our mailing list. 
> 
> Some initial thoughts come to mind -
> 1. Should the Outreach Committee institute weekly discussion starters on the
> list?
> 2. How do we make the list more active, but also not too overwhelming with
> email traffic? 
> 3. What are ways we can better engage our members?
> 
> These are just some immediate questions I have, but I am excited to hear
> from all of you! Let's get our creative juices flowing!
> 
> Love,
> Kathryn
> 
> Kathryn C. Webster
> President | National Association of Blind Students
>   A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind
> (203) 273-8463
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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jessica Dail
> via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 9:14 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Jessica Dail <jldail13 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?
> 
> Hi,
> Yes, I feel the email lists are absolutely necessary for people like myself,
> who are not allowed on social media.
> 
> Having these lists still allows everyone to communicate and keep up with the
> happenings of the NFB. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Jessica
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 6, 2018, at 10:18 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> As the National Association of Blind Students reaches out to new 
>> members
> and new partners, there has been an increase in various media platforms used
> to connect with these new members and partners. So in the new age of media
> platforms, how do you see the NABS email list fitting in with these other
> media platforms?
>> 
>> What do you believe should be the purpose of the NABS email list now 
>> that
> we use other media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter? Do you still see
> a role for the NABS email list among these new media platforms? If so what
> do you believe the role of the NABS email list should be among these new
> media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter?
>> 
>> I feel as though the discussion on the NABS email list has decreased 
>> as
> other media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter have become more popular.
> So I am just curious if there is still a place for the NABS email list in
> the 21st century.
>> 
>> I look forward to receiving your ideas in regards to this matter.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> Elizabeth
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From sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com  Tue Aug  7 18:37:12 2018
From: sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 14:37:12 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Films and College Classes
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Hi Vejas,
It might not be a bad idea to ask about the book as an option, or at the
very least, register your concerns with the instructor. Because this isn't a
film course, I assume (and may be wrong) that camera angles and other things
may be less critical here. Which is to say, you could (if available) use a
described version of the film and complete the assignment successfully. Of
course, you'd want to confirm this with the instructor.

It'll take some digging online (through Netflix and Blind Mice Megamall) but
if you search for these films and any are available in described video,
choose to do the assignment on those. Watch them now and if any descriptions
are inadequate, let your instructor know. If you don't have a solution
worked out between the two of you by start of term, perhaps seeing if a
group of students wants to watch it together and someone could describe it
to you then. I've done major assignments on films, but the one we were doing
was described so I didn't have the challenges you did.

I hope this is somewhat helpful,
Sarah

Sarah Jevnikar
(519) 439-4922 (H)
(416) 859-6520 (C)
sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
Sent: August 7, 2018 12:50 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas
Subject: [NABS-L] Films and College Classes

Hi All,

I am going to be a junior in college next month.  My professor 
for my Abnormal Psychology class has already sent me his 
syllabus.  In addition to reading from the textbook, we will 
sometimes be reading articles from the Internet.  There will also 
be two bigger papers, one on a book and one on a film (it is a 
film of choice based on a list of several, so I have not chosen 
yet).  The paper will be 5 to 6 pages long.
My concern is for the film paper.
So far, I have very rarely had assignments related to films.  
Most of the films I have watched in my previous classes have just 
been extra supplemental material with no further requirements.  
On two occasions I have had to do very short assignments with 
films, I watched them with my parents who provided descriptions.  
I am just concerned because the film assignment in this class is 
a final paper, whereas the other assignments I have done in the 
past did not carry that much weight.  I am considering asking my 
professor if, rather than writing my final assignment on a film, 
I can write it on another book related to abnormal psychology, 
the subject concerned.
Have any of you written a final paper on a film before, and did 
it work out for you? What do you all think of me asking about the 
book accommodation?

Thanks,
Vejas Vasiliauskas
Secretary and Treasurer of the California Association of Blind 
Students
Phone: (310) 265-3949
Email: alpineimagination at gmail.com

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From janae.burgmeier at gmail.com  Wed Aug  8 17:57:05 2018
From: janae.burgmeier at gmail.com (Janae Burgmeier)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 12:57:05 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] ist in the 21st Century?
Message-ID: <2391C715-D181-4D26-9A62-E670237219B3@gmail.com>

Thanks for starting this conversation Elizabeth. We are glad to see the passion and interaction out of everyone. Kathryn I think those are great questions and I second most of the things Michael said. I think one thing we could do to de clutter the list is making sure you are deleting previous messages before replying but it is a place that gets cumbersome when lots of conversation happened (which is a good thing). 

As far as getting on more platforms, we have considered instagram and can probably get that going.  We are also trying to start our YouTube channel and podcast but we need some techy volunteers to get those to a sustainable level so please get involved if you are passionate about making sure NABS is sustainable across platforms. 

Elizabeth has agreed to initiate meaningful discussion topics on the listserv to make sure everyone here is still included and getting value from NABS. Thanks to Elizabeth and others on the outreach committee. 

Janae Burgmeier 
Outreach chair 
Board member 
National Association of Blind students. 

From a.vias at outlook.com  Thu Aug  9 10:40:42 2018
From: a.vias at outlook.com (Armando Vias)
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2018 10:40:42 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] 12-year-old with disabilities kicked out of movie theater
 my reaction
Message-ID: <BL0PR01MB4034660101766E7575C4E7249E250@BL0PR01MB4034.prod.exchangelabs.com>

Here is my reaction. So a 12-year-old with a disability got kicked out of a movie theater! All because she was breathing! A man was sitting in front of her. The man then complained to the manager of the theater! The parents and the child were told to leave. I believe that this clearly violates the Americans withDisabilities Act. I believe that all employees must receive training regarding accommodating people with disabilities. You can read the article by clicking the link below. This happened in West Virginia.

http://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Special-needs-girls-family-asked-to-leave-theater-because-of-loud-breathing-490316211.html

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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  9 12:16:14 2018
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2018 08:16:14 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] 12-year-old with disabilities kicked out of movie
 theater my reaction
Message-ID: <5b6c3090.1c69fb81.edbbe.e56b@mx.google.com>

I agree that employees must receive training on how to treat individuals with disabilities. This does go against the Americans With Disabilities Act. I feel so sorry for this child and her family.

On Aug 9, 2018 6:40 AM, Armando Vias via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Here is my reaction. So a 12-year-old with a disability got kicked out of a movie theater! All because she was breathing! A man was sitting in front of her. The man then complained to the manager of the theater! The parents and the child were told to leave. I believe that this clearly violates the Americans withDisabilities Act. I believe that all employees must receive training regarding accommodating people with disabilities. You can read the article by clicking the link below. This happened in West Virginia. 
>
> http://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Special-needs-girls-family-asked-to-leave-theater-because-of-loud-breathing-490316211.html 
>
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From louvins at gmail.com  Thu Aug  9 15:18:47 2018
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2018 10:18:47 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] 12-year-old with disabilities kicked out of movie
 theater my reaction
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Hi to all.  Thanks very much for posting this article.  I listened to
the video.  This is terrible.  I really hope the family of this girl
sues the theatre for everything they have.  Breathing to loud, come on
really!!!!  The girl couldn't help it.  What was she supposed to do
hold her breath!!

On 8/9/18, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I agree that employees must receive training on how to treat individuals
> with disabilities. This does go against the Americans With Disabilities Act.
> I feel so sorry for this child and her family.
>
> On Aug 9, 2018 6:40 AM, Armando Vias via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Here is my reaction. So a 12-year-old with a disability got kicked out of
>> a movie theater! All because she was breathing! A man was sitting in front
>> of her. The man then complained to the manager of the theater! The parents
>> and the child were told to leave. I believe that this clearly violates the
>> Americans withDisabilities Act. I believe that all employees must receive
>> training regarding accommodating people with disabilities. You can read
>> the article by clicking the link below. This happened in West Virginia.
>>
>> http://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Special-needs-girls-family-asked-to-leave-theater-because-of-loud-breathing-490316211.html
>>
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From inscriptioelectronicaaustralia at gmail.com  Fri Aug 10 05:23:01 2018
From: inscriptioelectronicaaustralia at gmail.com (Roger Newell)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 15:23:01 +1000
Subject: [NABS-L] 12-year-old with disabilities kicked out of movie
 theater my reaction
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Perhaps my opinions are incorrect, but I do not understand how this
could be considered discriminatory.

1. The child's breathing was so loud that it infringed on the ability
for other paying customers to enjoy the movie. When people pay for a
service, they should be able to receive that service in the manner in
which it was supposed to be enjoyed. If you visited a theater and the
person sitting behind you continually kicked the back of your seat, or
if there was a person sitting near you who was making loud tics, or if
there was a baby crying throughout the movie, would you complain? Most
people would.

2. The manager negotiated with the family to try to find a solution
whereby their viewing of the movie would not be interrupted. This
confirms that the manager did try to be inclusive by proactively
asking if there was something the family could do to alleviate the
situation. Whether the manager was trained in how to treat people with
disabilities is irrelevant because his primary motivation was to
satisfy all of the paying customers.

3. When the family said that nothing could be done, the manager
offered the family multiple options. The fact that they considered
this discriminatory is irrelevant because they were putting the right
for their child to watch the movie in front of other customers who
have exactly the same rights.

On 8/9/18, Armando Vias via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Here is my reaction. So a 12-year-old with a disability got kicked out of a
> movie theater! All because she was breathing! A man was sitting in front of
> her. The man then complained to the manager of the theater! The parents and
> the child were told to leave. I believe that this clearly violates the
> Americans withDisabilities Act. I believe that all employees must receive
> training regarding accommodating people with disabilities. You can read the
> article by clicking the link below. This happened in West Virginia.
>
> http://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Special-needs-girls-family-asked-to-leave-theater-because-of-loud-breathing-490316211.html
>
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From singingemmanuelle at gmail.com  Fri Aug 10 16:07:01 2018
From: singingemmanuelle at gmail.com (Emmanuelle Lo)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 12:07:01 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Showing Math Work in College
Message-ID: <B000518A-62AA-4277-9A7A-FF34709D446F@gmail.com>

Hi all,

I'm going to be a freshman in college this fall and I will be in an intro level economics class that will require me to show math work. How should I go about doing this? I have a Braille Note Touch. I've also read about Mathtype on the math mailing list, but I have no idea how it works. Do you have to know a coding language to be able to produce equations in Mathtype? Would I be better off just using a scribe for now, since this is new territory for me? 

Thanks, and have a great start to your fall semester!

Emmie Lo, Davidson College class of 2022

From eschlenker at cox.net  Fri Aug 10 16:50:43 2018
From: eschlenker at cox.net (Emily Schlenker)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 11:50:43 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Showing Math Work in College
In-Reply-To: <MU861y01G2qgo5R01U87Tq>
References: <MU861y01G2qgo5R01U87Tq>
Message-ID: <01928EDB-0B2F-4A34-883F-59E63390470F@cox.net>

Hi there! There is absolutely nothing wrong with using a scribe for this purpose, it is close to the beginning of the semester and this might be your best bet for now. However, you can also learn a type of markdown language called LaTex  which is what a lot of math and science professionals use. After writing equations in this language, you have to run it through an editor and you can actually generate math expressions and equations that look like the work of a person who wrote them out by hand. I am at work right now, so I cannot write much more, but if I were you I would look online because I know there are resources for blind people wanting to produce math this way. When you search, make sure the L and  the T are capitalized in the word LaTex. 
 Good luck! 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 10, 2018, at 11:07 AM, Emmanuelle Lo via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> all



From hstaley at nfbtx.org  Fri Aug 10 19:20:51 2018
From: hstaley at nfbtx.org (Harry Staley)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 14:20:51 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Showing Math Work in College
In-Reply-To: <01928EDB-0B2F-4A34-883F-59E63390470F@cox.net>
References: <MU861y01G2qgo5R01U87Tq>
	<01928EDB-0B2F-4A34-883F-59E63390470F@cox.net>
Message-ID: <1C12DAF5-F0D6-4847-AED8-491F7224812E@nfbtx.org>

I have used latex in the past and found it to be awesome. If you will need more advanced Math then that is the way to go.

Harry Staley
(330) 718-1876
hstaley at nfbtx.org

> On Aug 10, 2018, at 11:50, Emily Schlenker via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi there! There is absolutely nothing wrong with using a scribe for this purpose, it is close to the beginning of the semester and this might be your best bet for now. However, you can also learn a type of markdown language called LaTex  which is what a lot of math and science professionals use. After writing equations in this language, you have to run it through an editor and you can actually generate math expressions and equations that look like the work of a person who wrote them out by hand. I am at work right now, so I cannot write much more, but if I were you I would look online because I know there are resources for blind people wanting to produce math this way. When you search, make sure the L and  the T are capitalized in the word LaTex. 
> Good luck! 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 10, 2018, at 11:07 AM, Emmanuelle Lo via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> all
> 
> 
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Fri Aug 10 19:33:13 2018
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 15:33:13 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] 12-year-old with disabilities kicked out of movie
 theater my reaction
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR01MB4034660101766E7575C4E7249E250@BL0PR01MB4034.prod.exchangelabs.com>
References: <BL0PR01MB4034660101766E7575C4E7249E250@BL0PR01MB4034.prod.exchangelabs.com>
Message-ID: <00de01d430e0$fb0fef00$f12fcd00$@gmail.com>

Hello All:

This is certainly an interesting case of apparent discrimination which still
raises questions about where we should draw the line between insisting on
equal access to public accommodations and respecting the rights of the
public with whom we share those accommodations. At first glance, it would
seem that the decision of the manager to kick the family out is an
overreaction at best and outright discrimination at worst. Moreover, I think
that the complaint from the moviegoer was also an inconsiderate
overreaction, particularly given the fact that it was plain to see that the
girl has multiple disabilities which impact her life and behavior. In my
opinion, there were many courses of action he could have taken which would
have avoided the situation we are now discussing: He could have moved seats,
asked to be seated closer to the speakers, or asked for one of the theatre's
amplification devices.

On the other hand, I think it is important for us to recognize that equal
access is a two-way street. When we participate in blindness training
programs or seminars, we often spend a lot of time focusing on social skills
so we can ensure that we are conducting ourselves in a way which makes us
appear competent and presentable, thereby causing others in society to be
more disposed toward giving us the access we seek. I'm sure that many of us,
including myself, have dealt with "blindisms" in our childhood--those quirky
behaviors like hand shaking or eye poking which are supposedly done out of
habit in order to provide stimulation which would otherwise come visually.
For my part, I was often frustrated by my parents' repeated correction of me
whenever they saw me doing a "blindism," but I'm thankful for it now because
it has allowed me to better fit into various social circles. In that vain, I
wonder if there is anything the girl's parents could do to teach her to
normalize her breathing? Are there other ways in which she could express her
emotions without disturbing those around her? If her disabilities prevent
her from changing this behavior, there is nothing left for the family to do
but to educate and fight for acceptance. However, I think these questions
are something worth considering.

Finally, Roger, it seems that you are saying that the family's refusal of
the manager's alternatives was unreasonable. If I'm misunderstanding you, I
apologize. I would point out, however, that the manager's options, while
allowing the family to see the movie, were indicative of a "separate but
equal" approach. I daresay that most of us would balk at the idea that,
because of our blindness, we must schedule a private screening with the
theatre during which we are the only people allowed to see a movie while cut
off from the rest of the moviegoing public. Though the problem in this case
was not directly related to the girl's blindness, why should she be forced
to cut herself off from the public just because someone was annoyed by the
sound of her breathing? Perhaps this is going out on a dangerous limb, but I
don't see much of a difference between that approach and the approach which
the Jim Crow south used to justify their "separate but equal" treatment of
African-Americans in the wake of 1950s-era early integration laws. This
family, in my view, is asking not for special treatment, but for equal
treatment. They are using this as an opportunity to educate the public in
the hope that the situation they have endured will not happen to anyone
else. If that is what they are asking for, I would think that we in the NFB
should find common cause with them.

Just my thoughts,

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Armando Vias via
NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 6:41 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Armando Vias <a.vias at outlook.com>
Subject: [NABS-L] 12-year-old with disabilities kicked out of movie theater
my reaction

Here is my reaction. So a 12-year-old with a disability got kicked out of a
movie theater! All because she was breathing! A man was sitting in front of
her. The man then complained to the manager of the theater! The parents and
the child were told to leave. I believe that this clearly violates the
Americans withDisabilities Act. I believe that all employees must receive
training regarding accommodating people with disabilities. You can read the
article by clicking the link below. This happened in West Virginia.

http://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Special-needs-girls-family-asked-to-leave-t
heater-because-of-loud-breathing-490316211.html

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From tyler at tysdomain.com  Fri Aug 10 19:34:04 2018
From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 15:34:04 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Showing Math Work in College
In-Reply-To: <1C12DAF5-F0D6-4847-AED8-491F7224812E@nfbtx.org>
References: <MU861y01G2qgo5R01U87Tq>
	<01928EDB-0B2F-4A34-883F-59E63390470F@cox.net>
	<1C12DAF5-F0D6-4847-AED8-491F7224812E@nfbtx.org>
Message-ID: <835a4743-6898-beb7-ea87-cd9d0b5cd78b@tysdomain.com>

I also recommend LaTex. It's great for receiving handouts and it's also
great for turning in work and getting inline comments.
HTH,

On 8/10/2018 3:20 PM, Harry Staley via NABS-L wrote:
> I have used latex in the past and found it to be awesome. If you will need more advanced Math then that is the way to go.
>
> Harry Staley
> (330) 718-1876
> hstaley at nfbtx.org
>
>> On Aug 10, 2018, at 11:50, Emily Schlenker via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi there! There is absolutely nothing wrong with using a scribe for this purpose, it is close to the beginning of the semester and this might be your best bet for now. However, you can also learn a type of markdown language called LaTex  which is what a lot of math and science professionals use. After writing equations in this language, you have to run it through an editor and you can actually generate math expressions and equations that look like the work of a person who wrote them out by hand. I am at work right now, so I cannot write much more, but if I were you I would look online because I know there are resources for blind people wanting to produce math this way. When you search, make sure the L and  the T are capitalized in the word LaTex. 
>> Good luck! 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Aug 10, 2018, at 11:07 AM, Emmanuelle Lo via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> all
>>
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Fri Aug 10 20:16:39 2018
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 16:16:39 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?
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Hi Friends:

Elizabeth, thank you for starting this important and very timely
conversation. Many of you have already said what I would have said if I
hadn't come so late to the party, so I will follow Michael's advice and
avoid merely echoing other people's comments after reading the entire
thread. However, I would like to offer one reflection.

It seems that some contributors have referred to the listserv as being
useful for those who are not on social media, implying that it is not as
useful for those who are. Personally, I have found that the list and social
media are not mutually exclusive. Rather, they are different platforms which
serve different but equally legitimate purposes. For instance, I think
social media can often start a series of one-sided conversations. Though
people of course have the option to comment on Facebook posts or reply to
tweets, it is not as easy (or as common) for many people to chime in on a
conversation on social media as it is for people to do so on a listserv.
Since most social media users are only skimming through their feeds in their
free time, they are less likely to read the entire comments section of an
organization's post attentively than they are to reading a chain of email
correspondence. So, in my observation, organizations tend to use social
media as a way to announce what they are doing. On a personal level, I
coordinated social media for NABS for two years. Because of the nature of
social media, I was not able to have the conversations on those platforms
that I was able to have on this list. Even so, as an active social media
user and list member, I have found both to be useful in their own ways.

It may also be worth noting that, as many of us know, email is still the
primary means of professional and organizational communication. As part of
our student status, many of us are working to build a professional network
which will serve us well as we move into the workforce. In my opinion, this
list is a great way to find people who would be good additions to our
networks, who we can then contact off-list for more detailed conversations.
By the same token, this list can also be considered a kind of social
network, as it allows us to ask questions of each other and bounce ideas off
of people who share our interests and circumstances. So, it seems to me that
this list can be viewed as a marriage of the best elements of social
networking and professional email correspondence.

When I have more time for more reflection, I'll try my hand at answering
Kathryn's questions. In the meantime, I look forward to hearing more
perspectives on this topic.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of michael Ausbun via
NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 12:31 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: michael.ausbun at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?

Hello All:
I have been thinking about the discussion that has been taking place, and in
lieu of president Webster's questions, you can find my thoughts, or at least
some of them, below:
1. Should the Outreach Committee institute weekly discussion starters on the
list?
	I am of the opinion that this should absolutely be the case. I do
not think that we should ask questions merely to ask questions-"what is your
favorite animal?"-but I think that facilitating discussion weekly would be
useful. There are a lot of people with a variety of circumstances
prohibiting group participation, or, asking questions that may be on their
minds. It's the old adage, "there are no stupid questions; ask, because
someone else most certainly has the same question."
	Further, I think these directed questions could be utilized in a way
to assist our students in understanding, and engaging with, our
organizational philosophy. Our philosophy and history is rich and wide
reaching. Often I have found that our members do not know where to start. If
provided the  first step, I believe our members will be fully capable on
continuing exploration and find their place in our beautiful organization. 
2. How do we make the list more active, but also not too overwhelming with
email traffic? 
	This question has been on my mind for many years. I do not believe
that you can have both simultaneously. As our student division  grows we
will necessarily see an up in traffic. If we, the membership, are
contributing thoughtfully and continuing to provide engaging questions and
comments, there likely will be more contributions. My only suggestion is
that people be conscious regarding the number of posts and the information
provided. For example, we should all try to read the entirety of the
conversation so we do not duplicate information, and try not to post back to
back to back with no other responses between our posts on a given topic. 
3. What are ways we can better engage our members?
	Electronically, we need to move to other social media platforms.
People like me, isolated to Facebook and twitter, are behind the times. We
are losing out on possible connections with a younger audience. Instagram,
snapchat, and the like are ever popular with those born after 2000. Although
there are a lot of students in their collegiate years, we must find those
students in compulsory education. Those in K-12 need us, and quite frankly,
we need them to. 
I have other thoughts, but I need to reflect a little longer.
Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun
Secretary/Treasurer, Louisiana Association of Blind Students Vice President,
National Federation of the Blind of Nevada

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of President, NABS |
Kathryn Webster via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 6:22 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: President, NABS | Kathryn Webster <nabs.president at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?

I love this discussion! It sparks so many ideas on how we can further
improve our mailing list. 

Some initial thoughts come to mind -
1. Should the Outreach Committee institute weekly discussion starters on the
list?
2. How do we make the list more active, but also not too overwhelming with
email traffic? 
3. What are ways we can better engage our members?

These are just some immediate questions I have, but I am excited to hear
from all of you! Let's get our creative juices flowing!

Love,
Kathryn

Kathryn C. Webster
President | National Association of Blind Students
   A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind
(203) 273-8463
Nabs.president at gmail.com | www.nabslink.org

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jessica Dail
via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 9:14 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Jessica Dail <jldail13 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?

Hi,
Yes, I feel the email lists are absolutely necessary for people like myself,
who are not allowed on social media.

Having these lists still allows everyone to communicate and keep up with the
happenings of the NFB. 

Thanks,
Jessica


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 6, 2018, at 10:18 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> As the National Association of Blind Students reaches out to new 
> members
and new partners, there has been an increase in various media platforms used
to connect with these new members and partners. So in the new age of media
platforms, how do you see the NABS email list fitting in with these other
media platforms?
> 
> What do you believe should be the purpose of the NABS email list now 
> that
we use other media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter? Do you still see
a role for the NABS email list among these new media platforms? If so what
do you believe the role of the NABS email list should be among these new
media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter?
> 
> I feel as though the discussion on the NABS email list has decreased 
> as
other media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter have become more popular.
So I am just curious if there is still a place for the NABS email list in
the 21st century.
> 
> I look forward to receiving your ideas in regards to this matter.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 10 22:49:40 2018
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 18:49:40 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?
Message-ID: <5b6e1686.1c69fb81.dc8aa.78ea@mx.google.com>

Hi Chris thanks for your message. I believe that this list still plays an important role for blind students around the country. This platform creates a valuable form of social and professional networking for many blind individuals especially those of us who are going into the working world. 

On Aug 10, 2018 4:16 PM, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Friends: 
>
> Elizabeth, thank you for starting this important and very timely 
> conversation. Many of you have already said what I would have said if I 
> hadn't come so late to the party, so I will follow Michael's advice and 
> avoid merely echoing other people's comments after reading the entire 
> thread. However, I would like to offer one reflection. 
>
> It seems that some contributors have referred to the listserv as being 
> useful for those who are not on social media, implying that it is not as 
> useful for those who are. Personally, I have found that the list and social 
> media are not mutually exclusive. Rather, they are different platforms which 
> serve different but equally legitimate purposes. For instance, I think 
> social media can often start a series of one-sided conversations. Though 
> people of course have the option to comment on Facebook posts or reply to 
> tweets, it is not as easy (or as common) for many people to chime in on a 
> conversation on social media as it is for people to do so on a listserv. 
> Since most social media users are only skimming through their feeds in their 
> free time, they are less likely to read the entire comments section of an 
> organization's post attentively than they are to reading a chain of email 
> correspondence. So, in my observation, organizations tend to use social 
> media as a way to announce what they are doing. On a personal level, I 
> coordinated social media for NABS for two years. Because of the nature of 
> social media, I was not able to have the conversations on those platforms 
> that I was able to have on this list. Even so, as an active social media 
> user and list member, I have found both to be useful in their own ways. 
>
> It may also be worth noting that, as many of us know, email is still the 
> primary means of professional and organizational communication. As part of 
> our student status, many of us are working to build a professional network 
> which will serve us well as we move into the workforce. In my opinion, this 
> list is a great way to find people who would be good additions to our 
> networks, who we can then contact off-list for more detailed conversations. 
> By the same token, this list can also be considered a kind of social 
> network, as it allows us to ask questions of each other and bounce ideas off 
> of people who share our interests and circumstances. So, it seems to me that 
> this list can be viewed as a marriage of the best elements of social 
> networking and professional email correspondence. 
>
> When I have more time for more reflection, I'll try my hand at answering 
> Kathryn's questions. In the meantime, I look forward to hearing more 
> perspectives on this topic. 
>
> Chris 
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of michael Ausbun via 
> NABS-L 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 12:31 PM 
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
> Cc: michael.ausbun at gmail.com 
> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century? 
>
> Hello All: 
> I have been thinking about the discussion that has been taking place, and in 
> lieu of president Webster's questions, you can find my thoughts, or at least 
> some of them, below: 
> 1. Should the Outreach Committee institute weekly discussion starters on the 
> list? 
> I am of the opinion that this should absolutely be the case. I do 
> not think that we should ask questions merely to ask questions-"what is your 
> favorite animal?"-but I think that facilitating discussion weekly would be 
> useful. There are a lot of people with a variety of circumstances 
> prohibiting group participation, or, asking questions that may be on their 
> minds. It's the old adage, "there are no stupid questions; ask, because 
> someone else most certainly has the same question." 
> Further, I think these directed questions could be utilized in a way 
> to assist our students in understanding, and engaging with, our 
> organizational philosophy. Our philosophy and history is rich and wide 
> reaching. Often I have found that our members do not know where to start. If 
> provided the  first step, I believe our members will be fully capable on 
> continuing exploration and find their place in our beautiful organization. 
> 2. How do we make the list more active, but also not too overwhelming with 
> email traffic? 
> This question has been on my mind for many years. I do not believe 
> that you can have both simultaneously. As our student division  grows we 
> will necessarily see an up in traffic. If we, the membership, are 
> contributing thoughtfully and continuing to provide engaging questions and 
> comments, there likely will be more contributions. My only suggestion is 
> that people be conscious regarding the number of posts and the information 
> provided. For example, we should all try to read the entirety of the 
> conversation so we do not duplicate information, and try not to post back to 
> back to back with no other responses between our posts on a given topic. 
> 3. What are ways we can better engage our members? 
> Electronically, we need to move to other social media platforms. 
> People like me, isolated to Facebook and twitter, are behind the times. We 
> are losing out on possible connections with a younger audience. Instagram, 
> snapchat, and the like are ever popular with those born after 2000. Although 
> there are a lot of students in their collegiate years, we must find those 
> students in compulsory education. Those in K-12 need us, and quite frankly, 
> we need them to. 
> I have other thoughts, but I need to reflect a little longer. 
> Respectfully, 
> Michael Ausbun 
> Secretary/Treasurer, Louisiana Association of Blind Students Vice President, 
> National Federation of the Blind of Nevada 
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of President, NABS | 
> Kathryn Webster via NABS-L 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 6:22 AM 
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
> Cc: President, NABS | Kathryn Webster <nabs.president at gmail.com> 
> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century? 
>
> I love this discussion! It sparks so many ideas on how we can further 
> improve our mailing list. 
>
> Some initial thoughts come to mind - 
> 1. Should the Outreach Committee institute weekly discussion starters on the 
> list? 
> 2. How do we make the list more active, but also not too overwhelming with 
> email traffic? 
> 3. What are ways we can better engage our members? 
>
> These are just some immediate questions I have, but I am excited to hear 
> from all of you! Let's get our creative juices flowing! 
>
> Love, 
> Kathryn 
>
> Kathryn C. Webster 
> President | National Association of Blind Students 
>    A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind 
> (203) 273-8463 
> Nabs.president at gmail.com | www.nabslink.org 
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jessica Dail 
> via NABS-L 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 9:14 AM 
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
> Cc: Jessica Dail <jldail13 at gmail.com> 
> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century? 
>
> Hi, 
> Yes, I feel the email lists are absolutely necessary for people like myself, 
> who are not allowed on social media. 
>
> Having these lists still allows everyone to communicate and keep up with the 
> happenings of the NFB. 
>
> Thanks, 
> Jessica 
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone 
>
> > On Aug 6, 2018, at 10:18 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: 
> > 
> > Hello All, 
> > 
> > As the National Association of Blind Students reaches out to new 
> > members 
> and new partners, there has been an increase in various media platforms used 
> to connect with these new members and partners. So in the new age of media 
> platforms, how do you see the NABS email list fitting in with these other 
> media platforms? 
> > 
> > What do you believe should be the purpose of the NABS email list now 
> > that 
> we use other media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter? Do you still see 
> a role for the NABS email list among these new media platforms? If so what 
> do you believe the role of the NABS email list should be among these new 
> media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter? 
> > 
> > I feel as though the discussion on the NABS email list has decreased 
> > as 
> other media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter have become more popular. 
> So I am just curious if there is still a place for the NABS email list in 
> the 21st century. 
> > 
> > I look forward to receiving your ideas in regards to this matter. 
> > 
> > Warm regards, 
> > Elizabeth 
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 10 23:08:25 2018
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 19:08:25 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] 12-year-old with disabilities kicked out of movie
 theater my reaction
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Dear Chris,

I agree with your reactions to this article. My parents have also had to correct me if I was doing a blindism such as rocking back and forth while we are out and about. I too have gotten frustrated with there repeated corrections, but I understand that they do want me to look odd among the general public.

On Aug 10, 2018 3:33 PM, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hello All: 
>
> This is certainly an interesting case of apparent discrimination which still 
> raises questions about where we should draw the line between insisting on 
> equal access to public accommodations and respecting the rights of the 
> public with whom we share those accommodations. At first glance, it would 
> seem that the decision of the manager to kick the family out is an 
> overreaction at best and outright discrimination at worst. Moreover, I think 
> that the complaint from the moviegoer was also an inconsiderate 
> overreaction, particularly given the fact that it was plain to see that the 
> girl has multiple disabilities which impact her life and behavior. In my 
> opinion, there were many courses of action he could have taken which would 
> have avoided the situation we are now discussing: He could have moved seats, 
> asked to be seated closer to the speakers, or asked for one of the theatre's 
> amplification devices. 
>
> On the other hand, I think it is important for us to recognize that equal 
> access is a two-way street. When we participate in blindness training 
> programs or seminars, we often spend a lot of time focusing on social skills 
> so we can ensure that we are conducting ourselves in a way which makes us 
> appear competent and presentable, thereby causing others in society to be 
> more disposed toward giving us the access we seek. I'm sure that many of us, 
> including myself, have dealt with "blindisms" in our childhood--those quirky 
> behaviors like hand shaking or eye poking which are supposedly done out of 
> habit in order to provide stimulation which would otherwise come visually. 
> For my part, I was often frustrated by my parents' repeated correction of me 
> whenever they saw me doing a "blindism," but I'm thankful for it now because 
> it has allowed me to better fit into various social circles. In that vain, I 
> wonder if there is anything the girl's parents could do to teach her to 
> normalize her breathing? Are there other ways in which she could express her 
> emotions without disturbing those around her? If her disabilities prevent 
> her from changing this behavior, there is nothing left for the family to do 
> but to educate and fight for acceptance. However, I think these questions 
> are something worth considering. 
>
> Finally, Roger, it seems that you are saying that the family's refusal of 
> the manager's alternatives was unreasonable. If I'm misunderstanding you, I 
> apologize. I would point out, however, that the manager's options, while 
> allowing the family to see the movie, were indicative of a "separate but 
> equal" approach. I daresay that most of us would balk at the idea that, 
> because of our blindness, we must schedule a private screening with the 
> theatre during which we are the only people allowed to see a movie while cut 
> off from the rest of the moviegoing public. Though the problem in this case 
> was not directly related to the girl's blindness, why should she be forced 
> to cut herself off from the public just because someone was annoyed by the 
> sound of her breathing? Perhaps this is going out on a dangerous limb, but I 
> don't see much of a difference between that approach and the approach which 
> the Jim Crow south used to justify their "separate but equal" treatment of 
> African-Americans in the wake of 1950s-era early integration laws. This 
> family, in my view, is asking not for special treatment, but for equal 
> treatment. They are using this as an opportunity to educate the public in 
> the hope that the situation they have endured will not happen to anyone 
> else. If that is what they are asking for, I would think that we in the NFB 
> should find common cause with them. 
>
> Just my thoughts, 
>
> Chris 
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Armando Vias via 
> NABS-L 
> Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 6:41 AM 
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
> Cc: Armando Vias <a.vias at outlook.com> 
> Subject: [NABS-L] 12-year-old with disabilities kicked out of movie theater 
> my reaction 
>
> Here is my reaction. So a 12-year-old with a disability got kicked out of a 
> movie theater! All because she was breathing! A man was sitting in front of 
> her. The man then complained to the manager of the theater! The parents and 
> the child were told to leave. I believe that this clearly violates the 
> Americans withDisabilities Act. I believe that all employees must receive 
> training regarding accommodating people with disabilities. You can read the 
> article by clicking the link below. This happened in West Virginia. 
>
> http://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Special-needs-girls-family-asked-to-leave-t 
> heater-because-of-loud-breathing-490316211.html 
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 
> 10 
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From redwing731 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 10 23:25:18 2018
From: redwing731 at gmail.com (Kendra Schaber)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 16:25:18 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] Showing Math Work in College
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Hi all! 
 Earlier this week, I got wind of a braille note taker that’s suposed to allow a student to read and write Neamith code and then turn around and print the work out. Unfortunently, I don’t know it’s name nor who makes it. I’m going to a demonstration where one is going to be presented on September 6, 2018. I hope to know more about this braille note taker then. I have to take math classes myself starting in the winter so I’ll also need to know these ideas myself. I don’t know if this note taker has been relieced to the market. But I saw the therory on paper and it looks good on paper. But I don’t know how that will translate to the class room. 
  

Thank you for taking the time to read this E Mail! 
Blessed be!!! 
Kendra Schaber, 
 Chemeketa Community College, 
 350 Org, 
Citizen’s Climate Lobby,    
National Federation of the Blind of Oregon,  
Capitol Chapter, 
Salem, Oregon. 
 Home email: 
Redwing731 at gmail.com 
 Chemeketa Community College Email: 
 Kschaber at my.Chemeketa.edu  
Phone: 
971-599-9991 
"When the student is ready, the teacher will appear" Author Unknown. 
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 Sent from My Gmail Email. 
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> On Aug 10, 2018, at 12:34, Littlefield, Tyler via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I also recommend LaTex. It's great for receiving handouts and it's also
> great for turning in work and getting inline comments.
> HTH,
> 
>> On 8/10/2018 3:20 PM, Harry Staley via NABS-L wrote:
>> I have used latex in the past and found it to be awesome. If you will need more advanced Math then that is the way to go.
>> 
>> Harry Staley
>> (330) 718-1876
>> hstaley at nfbtx.org
>> 
>>> On Aug 10, 2018, at 11:50, Emily Schlenker via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi there! There is absolutely nothing wrong with using a scribe for this purpose, it is close to the beginning of the semester and this might be your best bet for now. However, you can also learn a type of markdown language called LaTex  which is what a lot of math and science professionals use. After writing equations in this language, you have to run it through an editor and you can actually generate math expressions and equations that look like the work of a person who wrote them out by hand. I am at work right now, so I cannot write much more, but if I were you I would look online because I know there are resources for blind people wanting to produce math this way. When you search, make sure the L and  the T are capitalized in the word LaTex. 
>>> Good luck! 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 10, 2018, at 11:07 AM, Emmanuelle Lo via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> all
>>> 
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From redwing731 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 10 23:29:43 2018
From: redwing731 at gmail.com (Kendra Schaber)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 16:29:43 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] Showing Math Work in College
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Hi all! 
 Does anyone know where I can find a tutorial to learn La Tex? The program that you all are talking about? I’ll need it in case I can’t get my hands on that note taker that I talked about in my last Email. 
 

Thank you for taking the time to read this E Mail! 
Blessed be!!! 
Kendra Schaber, 
 Chemeketa Community College, 
 350 Org, 
Citizen’s Climate Lobby,    
National Federation of the Blind of Oregon,  
Capitol Chapter, 
Salem, Oregon. 
 Home email: 
Redwing731 at gmail.com 
 Chemeketa Community College Email: 
 Kschaber at my.Chemeketa.edu  
Phone: 
971-599-9991 
"When the student is ready, the teacher will appear" Author Unknown. 
 Sent From My iPhone SE. 
 Sent from My Gmail Email. 
 Get Outlook Express for IOS.    
 

> On Aug 10, 2018, at 12:20, Harry Staley via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I have used latex in the past and found it to be awesome. If you will need more advanced Math then that is the way to go.
> 
> Harry Staley
> (330) 718-1876
> hstaley at nfbtx.org
> 
>> On Aug 10, 2018, at 11:50, Emily Schlenker via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there! There is absolutely nothing wrong with using a scribe for this purpose, it is close to the beginning of the semester and this might be your best bet for now. However, you can also learn a type of markdown language called LaTex  which is what a lot of math and science professionals use. After writing equations in this language, you have to run it through an editor and you can actually generate math expressions and equations that look like the work of a person who wrote them out by hand. I am at work right now, so I cannot write much more, but if I were you I would look online because I know there are resources for blind people wanting to produce math this way. When you search, make sure the L and  the T are capitalized in the word LaTex. 
>> Good luck! 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 10, 2018, at 11:07 AM, Emmanuelle Lo via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> all
>> 
>> 
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From inscriptioelectronicaaustralia at gmail.com  Fri Aug 10 23:46:52 2018
From: inscriptioelectronicaaustralia at gmail.com (Roger Newell)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 09:46:52 +1000
Subject: [NABS-L] 12-year-old with disabilities kicked out of movie
 theater my reaction
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Chris, I would generally agree that "separate but equal" treatment is
detrimental to both the blind person and broader society, but I
believe that it is an option worth considering in this case.
1. The child's breathing was so loud that it actually caused distress
to other patrons. If the breathing could be heard clearly during loud
portions of the movie, it sounds like it is a physicological issue, or
perhaps it is the result of a cognitive disability so severe that the
child could not be taught how to channel her excitement in another
way, though of course we don't know this as it was not described in
the article; conversely, it could be that the parents and teachers of
the child have very low expectations.
2. I have heard of movie theaters offering separate screenings (at
least in my country) to people with autism and other conditions that
would inhibit the ability of their families/caregivers or other
theater-goers to enjoy the movie. I feel that this is warranted in
this case because it would have been the least restrictive environment
for the girl or their family, allowing them to enjoy the movie without
additional stress.

Now I must emphatically state that a separate screening of the movie
is definitely not ideal in all circumstances--blind people have the
right to integrate into society so that we can enjoy the same benefits
as our sighted counterparts while simultaneously raising the
expectations and altering the beliefs of society; but we must also
respect that this is not achievable in all circumstances. Again I will
ask the question: if the child was found to have no other way to
channel her excitement and you, a paying customer, were seated next to
her in a full movie theater, what would you do? We cannot definitively
state what should have happened in this case because we simply have
far too little information, but I think it is worthy to think about
how blind people with significant disabilities in addition to their
blindness should participate in society.

I am interested in reading other's thoughts on this and weeing how the
story develops from here.

On 8/11/18, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello All:
>
> This is certainly an interesting case of apparent discrimination which
> still
> raises questions about where we should draw the line between insisting on
> equal access to public accommodations and respecting the rights of the
> public with whom we share those accommodations. At first glance, it would
> seem that the decision of the manager to kick the family out is an
> overreaction at best and outright discrimination at worst. Moreover, I
> think
> that the complaint from the moviegoer was also an inconsiderate
> overreaction, particularly given the fact that it was plain to see that the
> girl has multiple disabilities which impact her life and behavior. In my
> opinion, there were many courses of action he could have taken which would
> have avoided the situation we are now discussing: He could have moved
> seats,
> asked to be seated closer to the speakers, or asked for one of the
> theatre's
> amplification devices.
>
> On the other hand, I think it is important for us to recognize that equal
> access is a two-way street. When we participate in blindness training
> programs or seminars, we often spend a lot of time focusing on social
> skills
> so we can ensure that we are conducting ourselves in a way which makes us
> appear competent and presentable, thereby causing others in society to be
> more disposed toward giving us the access we seek. I'm sure that many of
> us,
> including myself, have dealt with "blindisms" in our childhood--those
> quirky
> behaviors like hand shaking or eye poking which are supposedly done out of
> habit in order to provide stimulation which would otherwise come visually.
> For my part, I was often frustrated by my parents' repeated correction of
> me
> whenever they saw me doing a "blindism," but I'm thankful for it now
> because
> it has allowed me to better fit into various social circles. In that vain,
> I
> wonder if there is anything the girl's parents could do to teach her to
> normalize her breathing? Are there other ways in which she could express
> her
> emotions without disturbing those around her? If her disabilities prevent
> her from changing this behavior, there is nothing left for the family to do
> but to educate and fight for acceptance. However, I think these questions
> are something worth considering.
>
> Finally, Roger, it seems that you are saying that the family's refusal of
> the manager's alternatives was unreasonable. If I'm misunderstanding you, I
> apologize. I would point out, however, that the manager's options, while
> allowing the family to see the movie, were indicative of a "separate but
> equal" approach. I daresay that most of us would balk at the idea that,
> because of our blindness, we must schedule a private screening with the
> theatre during which we are the only people allowed to see a movie while
> cut
> off from the rest of the moviegoing public. Though the problem in this case
> was not directly related to the girl's blindness, why should she be forced
> to cut herself off from the public just because someone was annoyed by the
> sound of her breathing? Perhaps this is going out on a dangerous limb, but
> I
> don't see much of a difference between that approach and the approach which
> the Jim Crow south used to justify their "separate but equal" treatment of
> African-Americans in the wake of 1950s-era early integration laws. This
> family, in my view, is asking not for special treatment, but for equal
> treatment. They are using this as an opportunity to educate the public in
> the hope that the situation they have endured will not happen to anyone
> else. If that is what they are asking for, I would think that we in the NFB
> should find common cause with them.
>
> Just my thoughts,
>
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Armando Vias via
> NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 6:41 AM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Armando Vias <a.vias at outlook.com>
> Subject: [NABS-L] 12-year-old with disabilities kicked out of movie theater
> my reaction
>
> Here is my reaction. So a 12-year-old with a disability got kicked out of a
> movie theater! All because she was breathing! A man was sitting in front of
> her. The man then complained to the manager of the theater! The parents and
> the child were told to leave. I believe that this clearly violates the
> Americans withDisabilities Act. I believe that all employees must receive
> training regarding accommodating people with disabilities. You can read the
> article by clicking the link below. This happened in West Virginia.
>
> http://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Special-needs-girls-family-asked-to-leave-t
> heater-because-of-loud-breathing-490316211.html
>
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From eschlenker at cox.net  Fri Aug 10 23:53:55 2018
From: eschlenker at cox.net (Emily Schlenker)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 18:53:55 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] 12-year-old with disabilities kicked out of movie
 theater my reaction
In-Reply-To: <MboF1y00D2qgo5R01boGY8>
References: <BL0PR01MB4034660101766E7575C4E7249E250@BL0PR01MB4034.prod.exchangelabs.com>
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	<MboF1y00D2qgo5R01boGY8>
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Well, our local theaters have what they call a cry room for small children who are loud. This might be an option, I don’t mean this suggestion to offend people. There are just some patrons who are louder than others.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 10, 2018, at 6:46 PM, Roger Newell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Chris, I would generally agree that "separate but equal" treatment is
> detrimental to both the blind person and broader society, but I
> believe that it is an option worth considering in this case.
> 1. The child's breathing was so loud that it actually caused distress
> to other patrons. If the breathing could be heard clearly during loud
> portions of the movie, it sounds like it is a physicological issue, or
> perhaps it is the result of a cognitive disability so severe that the
> child could not be taught how to channel her excitement in another
> way, though of course we don't know this as it was not described in
> the article; conversely, it could be that the parents and teachers of
> the child have very low expectations.
> 2. I have heard of movie theaters offering separate screenings (at
> least in my country) to people with autism and other conditions that
> would inhibit the ability of their families/caregivers or other
> theater-goers to enjoy the movie. I feel that this is warranted in
> this case because it would have been the least restrictive environment
> for the girl or their family, allowing them to enjoy the movie without
> additional stress.
> 
> Now I must emphatically state that a separate screening of the movie
> is definitely not ideal in all circumstances--blind people have the
> right to integrate into society so that we can enjoy the same benefits
> as our sighted counterparts while simultaneously raising the
> expectations and altering the beliefs of society; but we must also
> respect that this is not achievable in all circumstances. Again I will
> ask the question: if the child was found to have no other way to
> channel her excitement and you, a paying customer, were seated next to
> her in a full movie theater, what would you do? We cannot definitively
> state what should have happened in this case because we simply have
> far too little information, but I think it is worthy to think about
> how blind people with significant disabilities in addition to their
> blindness should participate in society.
> 
> I am interested in reading other's thoughts on this and weeing how the
> story develops from here.
> 
>> On 8/11/18, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello All:
>> 
>> This is certainly an interesting case of apparent discrimination which
>> still
>> raises questions about where we should draw the line between insisting on
>> equal access to public accommodations and respecting the rights of the
>> public with whom we share those accommodations. At first glance, it would
>> seem that the decision of the manager to kick the family out is an
>> overreaction at best and outright discrimination at worst. Moreover, I
>> think
>> that the complaint from the moviegoer was also an inconsiderate
>> overreaction, particularly given the fact that it was plain to see that the
>> girl has multiple disabilities which impact her life and behavior. In my
>> opinion, there were many courses of action he could have taken which would
>> have avoided the situation we are now discussing: He could have moved
>> seats,
>> asked to be seated closer to the speakers, or asked for one of the
>> theatre's
>> amplification devices.
>> 
>> On the other hand, I think it is important for us to recognize that equal
>> access is a two-way street. When we participate in blindness training
>> programs or seminars, we often spend a lot of time focusing on social
>> skills
>> so we can ensure that we are conducting ourselves in a way which makes us
>> appear competent and presentable, thereby causing others in society to be
>> more disposed toward giving us the access we seek. I'm sure that many of
>> us,
>> including myself, have dealt with "blindisms" in our childhood--those
>> quirky
>> behaviors like hand shaking or eye poking which are supposedly done out of
>> habit in order to provide stimulation which would otherwise come visually.
>> For my part, I was often frustrated by my parents' repeated correction of
>> me
>> whenever they saw me doing a "blindism," but I'm thankful for it now
>> because
>> it has allowed me to better fit into various social circles. In that vain,
>> I
>> wonder if there is anything the girl's parents could do to teach her to
>> normalize her breathing? Are there other ways in which she could express
>> her
>> emotions without disturbing those around her? If her disabilities prevent
>> her from changing this behavior, there is nothing left for the family to do
>> but to educate and fight for acceptance. However, I think these questions
>> are something worth considering.
>> 
>> Finally, Roger, it seems that you are saying that the family's refusal of
>> the manager's alternatives was unreasonable. If I'm misunderstanding you, I
>> apologize. I would point out, however, that the manager's options, while
>> allowing the family to see the movie, were indicative of a "separate but
>> equal" approach. I daresay that most of us would balk at the idea that,
>> because of our blindness, we must schedule a private screening with the
>> theatre during which we are the only people allowed to see a movie while
>> cut
>> off from the rest of the moviegoing public. Though the problem in this case
>> was not directly related to the girl's blindness, why should she be forced
>> to cut herself off from the public just because someone was annoyed by the
>> sound of her breathing? Perhaps this is going out on a dangerous limb, but
>> I
>> don't see much of a difference between that approach and the approach which
>> the Jim Crow south used to justify their "separate but equal" treatment of
>> African-Americans in the wake of 1950s-era early integration laws. This
>> family, in my view, is asking not for special treatment, but for equal
>> treatment. They are using this as an opportunity to educate the public in
>> the hope that the situation they have endured will not happen to anyone
>> else. If that is what they are asking for, I would think that we in the NFB
>> should find common cause with them.
>> 
>> Just my thoughts,
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Armando Vias via
>> NABS-L
>> Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 6:41 AM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Armando Vias <a.vias at outlook.com>
>> Subject: [NABS-L] 12-year-old with disabilities kicked out of movie theater
>> my reaction
>> 
>> Here is my reaction. So a 12-year-old with a disability got kicked out of a
>> movie theater! All because she was breathing! A man was sitting in front of
>> her. The man then complained to the manager of the theater! The parents and
>> the child were told to leave. I believe that this clearly violates the
>> Americans withDisabilities Act. I believe that all employees must receive
>> training regarding accommodating people with disabilities. You can read the
>> article by clicking the link below. This happened in West Virginia.
>> 
>> http://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Special-needs-girls-family-asked-to-leave-t
>> heater-because-of-loud-breathing-490316211.html
>> 
>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>> 10
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From sarah at sarahblakelarose.com  Sat Aug 11 00:57:11 2018
From: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com (sarah at sarahblakelarose.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 20:57:11 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?
In-Reply-To: <017a01d430e7$0cad0030$26070090$@gmail.com>
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	<017a01d430e7$0cad0030$26070090$@gmail.com>
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I don't know whether this has already been said, so I will say it. I am grateful that the email list exists, though I am also a Facebook user. I have subscribed to a number of groups on FB and found the volume so high that I have unfollowed them, assuming I will check in from time to time. I never check most of them, and I am sure that I miss valuable conversations. With an email group, I can go past unwanted threads, either deleting original emails or deleting an entire thread if I wish. So the email group is invaluable to me.


Rev. Sarah Blake LaRose
http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
Accessible instruction in Biblical languages

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 4:17 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Chris Nusbaum <cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?

Hi Friends:

Elizabeth, thank you for starting this important and very timely conversation. Many of you have already said what I would have said if I hadn't come so late to the party, so I will follow Michael's advice and avoid merely echoing other people's comments after reading the entire thread. However, I would like to offer one reflection.

It seems that some contributors have referred to the listserv as being useful for those who are not on social media, implying that it is not as useful for those who are. Personally, I have found that the list and social media are not mutually exclusive. Rather, they are different platforms which serve different but equally legitimate purposes. For instance, I think social media can often start a series of one-sided conversations. Though people of course have the option to comment on Facebook posts or reply to tweets, it is not as easy (or as common) for many people to chime in on a conversation on social media as it is for people to do so on a listserv.
Since most social media users are only skimming through their feeds in their free time, they are less likely to read the entire comments section of an organization's post attentively than they are to reading a chain of email correspondence. So, in my observation, organizations tend to use social media as a way to announce what they are doing. On a personal level, I coordinated social media for NABS for two years. Because of the nature of social media, I was not able to have the conversations on those platforms that I was able to have on this list. Even so, as an active social media user and list member, I have found both to be useful in their own ways.

It may also be worth noting that, as many of us know, email is still the primary means of professional and organizational communication. As part of our student status, many of us are working to build a professional network which will serve us well as we move into the workforce. In my opinion, this list is a great way to find people who would be good additions to our networks, who we can then contact off-list for more detailed conversations.
By the same token, this list can also be considered a kind of social network, as it allows us to ask questions of each other and bounce ideas off of people who share our interests and circumstances. So, it seems to me that this list can be viewed as a marriage of the best elements of social networking and professional email correspondence.

When I have more time for more reflection, I'll try my hand at answering Kathryn's questions. In the meantime, I look forward to hearing more perspectives on this topic.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of michael Ausbun via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 12:31 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: michael.ausbun at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?

Hello All:
I have been thinking about the discussion that has been taking place, and in lieu of president Webster's questions, you can find my thoughts, or at least some of them, below:
1. Should the Outreach Committee institute weekly discussion starters on the list?
	I am of the opinion that this should absolutely be the case. I do not think that we should ask questions merely to ask questions-"what is your favorite animal?"-but I think that facilitating discussion weekly would be useful. There are a lot of people with a variety of circumstances prohibiting group participation, or, asking questions that may be on their minds. It's the old adage, "there are no stupid questions; ask, because someone else most certainly has the same question."
	Further, I think these directed questions could be utilized in a way to assist our students in understanding, and engaging with, our organizational philosophy. Our philosophy and history is rich and wide reaching. Often I have found that our members do not know where to start. If provided the  first step, I believe our members will be fully capable on continuing exploration and find their place in our beautiful organization. 
2. How do we make the list more active, but also not too overwhelming with email traffic? 
	This question has been on my mind for many years. I do not believe that you can have both simultaneously. As our student division  grows we will necessarily see an up in traffic. If we, the membership, are contributing thoughtfully and continuing to provide engaging questions and comments, there likely will be more contributions. My only suggestion is that people be conscious regarding the number of posts and the information provided. For example, we should all try to read the entirety of the conversation so we do not duplicate information, and try not to post back to back to back with no other responses between our posts on a given topic. 
3. What are ways we can better engage our members?
	Electronically, we need to move to other social media platforms.
People like me, isolated to Facebook and twitter, are behind the times. We are losing out on possible connections with a younger audience. Instagram, snapchat, and the like are ever popular with those born after 2000. Although there are a lot of students in their collegiate years, we must find those students in compulsory education. Those in K-12 need us, and quite frankly, we need them to. 
I have other thoughts, but I need to reflect a little longer.
Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun
Secretary/Treasurer, Louisiana Association of Blind Students Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Nevada

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of President, NABS | Kathryn Webster via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 6:22 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: President, NABS | Kathryn Webster <nabs.president at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?

I love this discussion! It sparks so many ideas on how we can further improve our mailing list. 

Some initial thoughts come to mind -
1. Should the Outreach Committee institute weekly discussion starters on the list?
2. How do we make the list more active, but also not too overwhelming with email traffic? 
3. What are ways we can better engage our members?

These are just some immediate questions I have, but I am excited to hear from all of you! Let's get our creative juices flowing!

Love,
Kathryn

Kathryn C. Webster
President | National Association of Blind Students
   A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind
(203) 273-8463
Nabs.president at gmail.com | www.nabslink.org

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jessica Dail via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 9:14 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Jessica Dail <jldail13 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?

Hi,
Yes, I feel the email lists are absolutely necessary for people like myself, who are not allowed on social media.

Having these lists still allows everyone to communicate and keep up with the happenings of the NFB. 

Thanks,
Jessica


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 6, 2018, at 10:18 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> As the National Association of Blind Students reaches out to new 
> members
and new partners, there has been an increase in various media platforms used to connect with these new members and partners. So in the new age of media platforms, how do you see the NABS email list fitting in with these other media platforms?
> 
> What do you believe should be the purpose of the NABS email list now 
> that
we use other media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter? Do you still see a role for the NABS email list among these new media platforms? If so what do you believe the role of the NABS email list should be among these new media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter?
> 
> I feel as though the discussion on the NABS email list has decreased 
> as
other media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter have become more popular.
So I am just curious if there is still a place for the NABS email list in the 21st century.
> 
> I look forward to receiving your ideas in regards to this matter.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
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From janae.burgmeier at gmail.com  Sat Aug 11 16:47:01 2018
From: janae.burgmeier at gmail.com (Janae Burgmeier)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 11:47:01 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Membership call on relationships.
Message-ID: <F4E9FC7F-4299-49BD-9265-D7132822177D@gmail.com>

Hello students!  Our next membership call will take place Sunday, August 26th at 8 eastern.  We will be getting real and having a conversation about navigating the world of intimacy and relationships as blind college students. Please help us make this an engaging call by sending us some questions about the topic so we can have some discusión questions. Please don’t be afraid to ask. This is a topic a lot of us are apprehensive to talk about sometimes but let’s have some honest conversation on our next call. 

Call in information: 
(712) 770-5197,,265669

Janae Burgmeier 
Outreach chair 
Janae.burgmeier at gmail.com


From aliherky at gmail.com  Sat Aug 11 22:42:39 2018
From: aliherky at gmail.com (Ali)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 17:42:39 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] 12-year-old with disabilities kicked out of
 movietheater my reaction
Message-ID: <5b6f667a.1c69fb81.eedbc.bb63@mx.google.com>

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the=20movie?

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Well,=20our=20local=20theaters=20have=20what=20they=20call=20a=20cry=20room=
=20for=20small=20
children=20who=20are=20loud.=20This=20might=20be=20an=20option,=20I=20don=E2=
=80=99t=20mean=20
this=20suggestion=20to=20offend=20people.=20There=20are=20just=20some=20pat=
rons=20who=20
are=20louder=20than=20others.

Sent=20from=20my=20iPhone

=20On=20Aug=2010,=202018,=20at=206:46=20PM,=20Roger=20Newell=20via=20NABS-L=
=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:

=20Chris,=20I=20would=20generally=20agree=20that=20"separate=20but=20equal"=
=20
treatment=20is
=20detrimental=20to=20both=20the=20blind=20person=20and=20broader=20society=
,=20but=20I
=20believe=20that=20it=20is=20an=20option=20worth=20considering=20in=20this=
=20case.
=201.=20The=20child's=20breathing=20was=20so=20loud=20that=20it=20actually=
=20caused=20
distress
=20to=20other=20patrons.=20If=20the=20breathing=20could=20be=20heard=20clea=
rly=20during=20
loud
=20portions=20of=20the=20movie,=20it=20sounds=20like=20it=20is=20a=20physic=
ological=20
issue,=20or
=20perhaps=20it=20is=20the=20result=20of=20a=20cognitive=20disability=20so=
=20severe=20
that=20the
=20child=20could=20not=20be=20taught=20how=20to=20channel=20her=20excitemen=
t=20in=20
another
=20way,=20though=20of=20course=20we=20don't=20know=20this=20as=20it=20was=20=
not=20described=20
in
=20the=20article;=20conversely,=20it=20could=20be=20that=20the=20parents=20=
and=20
teachers=20of
=20the=20child=20have=20very=20low=20expectations.
=202.=20I=20have=20heard=20of=20movie=20theaters=20offering=20separate=20sc=
reenings=20
(at
=20least=20in=20my=20country)=20to=20people=20with=20autism=20and=20other=20=
conditions=20
that
=20would=20inhibit=20the=20ability=20of=20their=20families/caregivers=20or=
=20other
=20theater-goers=20to=20enjoy=20the=20movie.=20I=20feel=20that=20this=20is=
=20warranted=20
in
=20this=20case=20because=20it=20would=20have=20been=20the=20least=20restric=
tive=20
environment
=20for=20the=20girl=20or=20their=20family,=20allowing=20them=20to=20enjoy=20=
the=20movie=20
without
=20additional=20stress.

=20Now=20I=20must=20emphatically=20state=20that=20a=20separate=20screening=
=20of=20the=20
movie
=20is=20definitely=20not=20ideal=20in=20all=20circumstances--blind=20people=
=20have=20
the
=20right=20to=20integrate=20into=20society=20so=20that=20we=20can=20enjoy=20=
the=20same=20
benefits
=20as=20our=20sighted=20counterparts=20while=20simultaneously=20raising=20t=
he
=20expectations=20and=20altering=20the=20beliefs=20of=20society;=20but=20we=
=20must=20
also
=20respect=20that=20this=20is=20not=20achievable=20in=20all=20circumstances=
.=20Again=20
I=20will
=20ask=20the=20question:=20if=20the=20child=20was=20found=20to=20have=20no=
=20other=20way=20to
=20channel=20her=20excitement=20and=20you,=20a=20paying=20customer,=20were=
=20seated=20
next=20to
=20her=20in=20a=20full=20movie=20theater,=20what=20would=20you=20do?=20We=20=
cannot=20
definitively
=20state=20what=20should=20have=20happened=20in=20this=20case=20because=20w=
e=20simply=20
have
=20far=20too=20little=20information,=20but=20I=20think=20it=20is=20worthy=20=
to=20think=20
about
=20how=20blind=20people=20with=20significant=20disabilities=20in=20addition=
=20to=20
their
=20blindness=20should=20participate=20in=20society.

=20I=20am=20interested=20in=20reading=20other's=20thoughts=20on=20this=20an=
d=20weeing=20
how=20the
=20story=20develops=20from=20here.

=20On=208/11/18,=20Chris=20Nusbaum=20via=20NABS-L=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20w=
rote:
=20Hello=20All:

=20This=20is=20certainly=20an=20interesting=20case=20of=20apparent=20discri=
mination=20
which
=20still
=20raises=20questions=20about=20where=20we=20should=20draw=20the=20line=20b=
etween=20
insisting=20on
=20equal=20access=20to=20public=20accommodations=20and=20respecting=20the=20=
rights=20
of=20the
=20public=20with=20whom=20we=20share=20those=20accommodations.=20At=20first=
=20glance,=20
it=20would
=20seem=20that=20the=20decision=20of=20the=20manager=20to=20kick=20the=20fa=
mily=20out=20is=20
an
=20overreaction=20at=20best=20and=20outright=20discrimination=20at=20worst.=
=20
Moreover,=20I
=20think
=20that=20the=20complaint=20from=20the=20moviegoer=20was=20also=20an=20inco=
nsiderate
=20overreaction,=20particularly=20given=20the=20fact=20that=20it=20was=20pl=
ain=20to=20
see=20that=20the
=20girl=20has=20multiple=20disabilities=20which=20impact=20her=20life=20and=
=20
behavior.=20In=20my
=20opinion,=20there=20were=20many=20courses=20of=20action=20he=20could=20ha=
ve=20taken=20
which=20would
=20have=20avoided=20the=20situation=20we=20are=20now=20discussing:=20He=20c=
ould=20have=20
moved
=20seats,
=20asked=20to=20be=20seated=20closer=20to=20the=20speakers,=20or=20asked=20=
for=20one=20of=20
the
=20theatre's
=20amplification=20devices.

=20On=20the=20other=20hand,=20I=20think=20it=20is=20important=20for=20us=20=
to=20recognize=20
that=20equal
=20access=20is=20a=20two-way=20street.=20When=20we=20participate=20in=20bli=
ndness=20
training
=20programs=20or=20seminars,=20we=20often=20spend=20a=20lot=20of=20time=20f=
ocusing=20on=20
social
=20skills
=20so=20we=20can=20ensure=20that=20we=20are=20conducting=20ourselves=20in=20=
a=20way=20which=20
makes=20us
=20appear=20competent=20and=20presentable,=20thereby=20causing=20others=20i=
n=20
society=20to=20be
=20more=20disposed=20toward=20giving=20us=20the=20access=20we=20seek.=20I'm=
=20sure=20that=20
many=20of
=20us,
=20including=20myself,=20have=20dealt=20with=20"blindisms"=20in=20our=20
childhood--those
=20quirky
=20behaviors=20like=20hand=20shaking=20or=20eye=20poking=20which=20are=20su=
pposedly=20
done=20out=20of
=20habit=20in=20order=20to=20provide=20stimulation=20which=20would=20otherw=
ise=20come=20
visually.
=20For=20my=20part,=20I=20was=20often=20frustrated=20by=20my=20parents'=20r=
epeated=20
correction=20of
=20me
=20whenever=20they=20saw=20me=20doing=20a=20"blindism,"=20but=20I'm=20thank=
ful=20for=20it=20
now
=20because
=20it=20has=20allowed=20me=20to=20better=20fit=20into=20various=20social=20=
circles.=20In=20
that=20vain,
=20I
=20wonder=20if=20there=20is=20anything=20the=20girl's=20parents=20could=20d=
o=20to=20teach=20
her=20to
=20normalize=20her=20breathing?=20Are=20there=20other=20ways=20in=20which=20=
she=20could=20
express
=20her
=20emotions=20without=20disturbing=20those=20around=20her?=20If=20her=20
disabilities=20prevent
=20her=20from=20changing=20this=20behavior,=20there=20is=20nothing=20left=20=
for=20the=20
family=20to=20do
=20but=20to=20educate=20and=20fight=20for=20acceptance.=20However,=20I=20th=
ink=20these=20
questions
=20are=20something=20worth=20considering.

=20Finally,=20Roger,=20it=20seems=20that=20you=20are=20saying=20that=20the=
=20family's=20
refusal=20of
=20the=20manager's=20alternatives=20was=20unreasonable.=20If=20I'm=20
misunderstanding=20you,=20I
=20apologize.=20I=20would=20point=20out,=20however,=20that=20the=20manager'=
s=20
options,=20while
=20allowing=20the=20family=20to=20see=20the=20movie,=20were=20indicative=20=
of=20a=20
"separate=20but
=20equal"=20approach.=20I=20daresay=20that=20most=20of=20us=20would=20balk=
=20at=20the=20
idea=20that,
=20because=20of=20our=20blindness,=20we=20must=20schedule=20a=20private=20s=
creening=20
with=20the
=20theatre=20during=20which=20we=20are=20the=20only=20people=20allowed=20to=
=20see=20a=20
movie=20while
=20cut
=20off=20from=20the=20rest=20of=20the=20moviegoing=20public.=20Though=20the=
=20problem=20
in=20this=20case
=20was=20not=20directly=20related=20to=20the=20girl's=20blindness,=20why=20=
should=20she=20
be=20forced
=20to=20cut=20herself=20off=20from=20the=20public=20just=20because=20someon=
e=20was=20
annoyed=20by=20the
=20sound=20of=20her=20breathing?=20Perhaps=20this=20is=20going=20out=20on=20=
a=20dangerous=20
limb,=20but
=20I
=20don't=20see=20much=20of=20a=20difference=20between=20that=20approach=20a=
nd=20the=20
approach=20which
=20the=20Jim=20Crow=20south=20used=20to=20justify=20their=20"separate=20but=
=20equal"=20
treatment=20of
=20African-Americans=20in=20the=20wake=20of=201950s-era=20early=20integrati=
on=20
laws.=20This
=20family,=20in=20my=20view,=20is=20asking=20not=20for=20special=20treatmen=
t,=20but=20for=20
equal
=20treatment.=20They=20are=20using=20this=20as=20an=20opportunity=20to=20ed=
ucate=20the=20
public=20in
=20the=20hope=20that=20the=20situation=20they=20have=20endured=20will=20not=
=20happen=20to=20
anyone
=20else.=20If=20that=20is=20what=20they=20are=20asking=20for,=20I=20would=20=
think=20that=20we=20
in=20the=20NFB
=20should=20find=20common=20cause=20with=20them.

=20Just=20my=20thoughts,

=20Chris

=20-----Original=20Message-----
=20From:=20NABS-L=20<nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org>=20On=20Behalf=20Of=20Armand=
o=20
Vias=20via
=20NABS-L
=20Sent:=20Thursday,=20August=209,=202018=206:41=20AM
=20To:=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Cc:=20Armando=20Vias=20<a.vias at outlook.com
=20Subject:=20[NABS-L]=2012-year-old=20with=20disabilities=20kicked=20out=20=
of=20
movie=20theater
=20my=20reaction

=20Here=20is=20my=20reaction.=20So=20a=2012-year-old=20with=20a=20disabilit=
y=20got=20
kicked=20out=20of=20a
=20movie=20theater!=20All=20because=20she=20was=20breathing!=20A=20man=20wa=
s=20sitting=20
in=20front=20of
=20her.=20The=20man=20then=20complained=20to=20the=20manager=20of=20the=20t=
heater!=20The=20
parents=20and
=20the=20child=20were=20told=20to=20leave.=20I=20believe=20that=20this=20cl=
early=20
violates=20the
=20Americans=20withDisabilities=20Act.=20I=20believe=20that=20all=20employe=
es=20
must=20receive
=20training=20regarding=20accommodating=20people=20with=20disabilities.=20Y=
ou=20
can=20read=20the
=20article=20by=20clicking=20the=20link=20below.=20This=20happened=20in=20W=
est=20
Virginia.

=20
http://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Special-needs-girls-family-asked
-to-leave-t
=20heater-because-of-loud-breathing-490316211.html

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From inscriptioelectronicaaustralia at gmail.com  Sat Aug 11 23:00:25 2018
From: inscriptioelectronicaaustralia at gmail.com (Roger Newell)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 09:00:25 +1000
Subject: [NABS-L] 12-year-old with disabilities kicked out of
 movietheater my reaction
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Yes, I believe they can.

On 8/12/18, Ali via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Just out of curiosity, can those in the cry room hear the movie?
>
> Ali
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Emily Schlenker via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 18:53:55 -0500
> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] 12-year-old with disabilities kicked out of
> movietheater my reaction
>
> Well, our local theaters have what they call a cry room for small
> children who are loud. This might be an option, I don’t mean
> this suggestion to offend people. There are just some patrons who
> are louder than others.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>  On Aug 10, 2018, at 6:46 PM, Roger Newell via NABS-L
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>  Chris, I would generally agree that "separate but equal"
> treatment is
>  detrimental to both the blind person and broader society, but I
>  believe that it is an option worth considering in this case.
>  1. The child's breathing was so loud that it actually caused
> distress
>  to other patrons. If the breathing could be heard clearly during
> loud
>  portions of the movie, it sounds like it is a physicological
> issue, or
>  perhaps it is the result of a cognitive disability so severe
> that the
>  child could not be taught how to channel her excitement in
> another
>  way, though of course we don't know this as it was not described
> in
>  the article; conversely, it could be that the parents and
> teachers of
>  the child have very low expectations.
>  2. I have heard of movie theaters offering separate screenings
> (at
>  least in my country) to people with autism and other conditions
> that
>  would inhibit the ability of their families/caregivers or other
>  theater-goers to enjoy the movie. I feel that this is warranted
> in
>  this case because it would have been the least restrictive
> environment
>  for the girl or their family, allowing them to enjoy the movie
> without
>  additional stress.
>
>  Now I must emphatically state that a separate screening of the
> movie
>  is definitely not ideal in all circumstances--blind people have
> the
>  right to integrate into society so that we can enjoy the same
> benefits
>  as our sighted counterparts while simultaneously raising the
>  expectations and altering the beliefs of society; but we must
> also
>  respect that this is not achievable in all circumstances. Again
> I will
>  ask the question: if the child was found to have no other way to
>  channel her excitement and you, a paying customer, were seated
> next to
>  her in a full movie theater, what would you do? We cannot
> definitively
>  state what should have happened in this case because we simply
> have
>  far too little information, but I think it is worthy to think
> about
>  how blind people with significant disabilities in addition to
> their
>  blindness should participate in society.
>
>  I am interested in reading other's thoughts on this and weeing
> how the
>  story develops from here.
>
>  On 8/11/18, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>  Hello All:
>
>  This is certainly an interesting case of apparent discrimination
> which
>  still
>  raises questions about where we should draw the line between
> insisting on
>  equal access to public accommodations and respecting the rights
> of the
>  public with whom we share those accommodations. At first glance,
> it would
>  seem that the decision of the manager to kick the family out is
> an
>  overreaction at best and outright discrimination at worst.
> Moreover, I
>  think
>  that the complaint from the moviegoer was also an inconsiderate
>  overreaction, particularly given the fact that it was plain to
> see that the
>  girl has multiple disabilities which impact her life and
> behavior. In my
>  opinion, there were many courses of action he could have taken
> which would
>  have avoided the situation we are now discussing: He could have
> moved
>  seats,
>  asked to be seated closer to the speakers, or asked for one of
> the
>  theatre's
>  amplification devices.
>
>  On the other hand, I think it is important for us to recognize
> that equal
>  access is a two-way street. When we participate in blindness
> training
>  programs or seminars, we often spend a lot of time focusing on
> social
>  skills
>  so we can ensure that we are conducting ourselves in a way which
> makes us
>  appear competent and presentable, thereby causing others in
> society to be
>  more disposed toward giving us the access we seek. I'm sure that
> many of
>  us,
>  including myself, have dealt with "blindisms" in our
> childhood--those
>  quirky
>  behaviors like hand shaking or eye poking which are supposedly
> done out of
>  habit in order to provide stimulation which would otherwise come
> visually.
>  For my part, I was often frustrated by my parents' repeated
> correction of
>  me
>  whenever they saw me doing a "blindism," but I'm thankful for it
> now
>  because
>  it has allowed me to better fit into various social circles. In
> that vain,
>  I
>  wonder if there is anything the girl's parents could do to teach
> her to
>  normalize her breathing? Are there other ways in which she could
> express
>  her
>  emotions without disturbing those around her? If her
> disabilities prevent
>  her from changing this behavior, there is nothing left for the
> family to do
>  but to educate and fight for acceptance. However, I think these
> questions
>  are something worth considering.
>
>  Finally, Roger, it seems that you are saying that the family's
> refusal of
>  the manager's alternatives was unreasonable. If I'm
> misunderstanding you, I
>  apologize. I would point out, however, that the manager's
> options, while
>  allowing the family to see the movie, were indicative of a
> "separate but
>  equal" approach. I daresay that most of us would balk at the
> idea that,
>  because of our blindness, we must schedule a private screening
> with the
>  theatre during which we are the only people allowed to see a
> movie while
>  cut
>  off from the rest of the moviegoing public. Though the problem
> in this case
>  was not directly related to the girl's blindness, why should she
> be forced
>  to cut herself off from the public just because someone was
> annoyed by the
>  sound of her breathing? Perhaps this is going out on a dangerous
> limb, but
>  I
>  don't see much of a difference between that approach and the
> approach which
>  the Jim Crow south used to justify their "separate but equal"
> treatment of
>  African-Americans in the wake of 1950s-era early integration
> laws. This
>  family, in my view, is asking not for special treatment, but for
> equal
>  treatment. They are using this as an opportunity to educate the
> public in
>  the hope that the situation they have endured will not happen to
> anyone
>  else. If that is what they are asking for, I would think that we
> in the NFB
>  should find common cause with them.
>
>  Just my thoughts,
>
>  Chris
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Armando
> Vias via
>  NABS-L
>  Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 6:41 AM
>  To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  Cc: Armando Vias <a.vias at outlook.com
>  Subject: [NABS-L] 12-year-old with disabilities kicked out of
> movie theater
>  my reaction
>
>  Here is my reaction. So a 12-year-old with a disability got
> kicked out of a
>  movie theater! All because she was breathing! A man was sitting
> in front of
>  her. The man then complained to the manager of the theater! The
> parents and
>  the child were told to leave. I believe that this clearly
> violates the
>  Americans withDisabilities Act. I believe that all employees
> must receive
>  training regarding accommodating people with disabilities. You
> can read the
>  article by clicking the link below. This happened in West
> Virginia.
>
>
> http://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Special-needs-girls-family-asked
> -to-leave-t
>  heater-because-of-loud-breathing-490316211.html
>
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From eschlenker at cox.net  Sat Aug 11 23:08:17 2018
From: eschlenker at cox.net (Emily Schlenker)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 18:08:17 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] 12-year-old with disabilities kicked out of
 movietheater my reaction
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The whole point of the room is you still get to enjoy the movie without your loud child interrupting anyone. I actually think something like this might work, but I am sure that my suggestion will still attend some people.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 11, 2018, at 6:00 PM, Roger Newell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Yes, I believe they can.
> 
>> On 8/12/18, Ali via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Just out of curiosity, can those in the cry room hear the movie?
>> 
>> Ali
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Emily Schlenker via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 18:53:55 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] 12-year-old with disabilities kicked out of
>> movietheater my reaction
>> 
>> Well, our local theaters have what they call a cry room for small
>> children who are loud. This might be an option, I don’t mean
>> this suggestion to offend people. There are just some patrons who
>> are louder than others.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Aug 10, 2018, at 6:46 PM, Roger Newell via NABS-L
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Chris, I would generally agree that "separate but equal"
>> treatment is
>> detrimental to both the blind person and broader society, but I
>> believe that it is an option worth considering in this case.
>> 1. The child's breathing was so loud that it actually caused
>> distress
>> to other patrons. If the breathing could be heard clearly during
>> loud
>> portions of the movie, it sounds like it is a physicological
>> issue, or
>> perhaps it is the result of a cognitive disability so severe
>> that the
>> child could not be taught how to channel her excitement in
>> another
>> way, though of course we don't know this as it was not described
>> in
>> the article; conversely, it could be that the parents and
>> teachers of
>> the child have very low expectations.
>> 2. I have heard of movie theaters offering separate screenings
>> (at
>> least in my country) to people with autism and other conditions
>> that
>> would inhibit the ability of their families/caregivers or other
>> theater-goers to enjoy the movie. I feel that this is warranted
>> in
>> this case because it would have been the least restrictive
>> environment
>> for the girl or their family, allowing them to enjoy the movie
>> without
>> additional stress.
>> 
>> Now I must emphatically state that a separate screening of the
>> movie
>> is definitely not ideal in all circumstances--blind people have
>> the
>> right to integrate into society so that we can enjoy the same
>> benefits
>> as our sighted counterparts while simultaneously raising the
>> expectations and altering the beliefs of society; but we must
>> also
>> respect that this is not achievable in all circumstances. Again
>> I will
>> ask the question: if the child was found to have no other way to
>> channel her excitement and you, a paying customer, were seated
>> next to
>> her in a full movie theater, what would you do? We cannot
>> definitively
>> state what should have happened in this case because we simply
>> have
>> far too little information, but I think it is worthy to think
>> about
>> how blind people with significant disabilities in addition to
>> their
>> blindness should participate in society.
>> 
>> I am interested in reading other's thoughts on this and weeing
>> how the
>> story develops from here.
>> 
>> On 8/11/18, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello All:
>> 
>> This is certainly an interesting case of apparent discrimination
>> which
>> still
>> raises questions about where we should draw the line between
>> insisting on
>> equal access to public accommodations and respecting the rights
>> of the
>> public with whom we share those accommodations. At first glance,
>> it would
>> seem that the decision of the manager to kick the family out is
>> an
>> overreaction at best and outright discrimination at worst.
>> Moreover, I
>> think
>> that the complaint from the moviegoer was also an inconsiderate
>> overreaction, particularly given the fact that it was plain to
>> see that the
>> girl has multiple disabilities which impact her life and
>> behavior. In my
>> opinion, there were many courses of action he could have taken
>> which would
>> have avoided the situation we are now discussing: He could have
>> moved
>> seats,
>> asked to be seated closer to the speakers, or asked for one of
>> the
>> theatre's
>> amplification devices.
>> 
>> On the other hand, I think it is important for us to recognize
>> that equal
>> access is a two-way street. When we participate in blindness
>> training
>> programs or seminars, we often spend a lot of time focusing on
>> social
>> skills
>> so we can ensure that we are conducting ourselves in a way which
>> makes us
>> appear competent and presentable, thereby causing others in
>> society to be
>> more disposed toward giving us the access we seek. I'm sure that
>> many of
>> us,
>> including myself, have dealt with "blindisms" in our
>> childhood--those
>> quirky
>> behaviors like hand shaking or eye poking which are supposedly
>> done out of
>> habit in order to provide stimulation which would otherwise come
>> visually.
>> For my part, I was often frustrated by my parents' repeated
>> correction of
>> me
>> whenever they saw me doing a "blindism," but I'm thankful for it
>> now
>> because
>> it has allowed me to better fit into various social circles. In
>> that vain,
>> I
>> wonder if there is anything the girl's parents could do to teach
>> her to
>> normalize her breathing? Are there other ways in which she could
>> express
>> her
>> emotions without disturbing those around her? If her
>> disabilities prevent
>> her from changing this behavior, there is nothing left for the
>> family to do
>> but to educate and fight for acceptance. However, I think these
>> questions
>> are something worth considering.
>> 
>> Finally, Roger, it seems that you are saying that the family's
>> refusal of
>> the manager's alternatives was unreasonable. If I'm
>> misunderstanding you, I
>> apologize. I would point out, however, that the manager's
>> options, while
>> allowing the family to see the movie, were indicative of a
>> "separate but
>> equal" approach. I daresay that most of us would balk at the
>> idea that,
>> because of our blindness, we must schedule a private screening
>> with the
>> theatre during which we are the only people allowed to see a
>> movie while
>> cut
>> off from the rest of the moviegoing public. Though the problem
>> in this case
>> was not directly related to the girl's blindness, why should she
>> be forced
>> to cut herself off from the public just because someone was
>> annoyed by the
>> sound of her breathing? Perhaps this is going out on a dangerous
>> limb, but
>> I
>> don't see much of a difference between that approach and the
>> approach which
>> the Jim Crow south used to justify their "separate but equal"
>> treatment of
>> African-Americans in the wake of 1950s-era early integration
>> laws. This
>> family, in my view, is asking not for special treatment, but for
>> equal
>> treatment. They are using this as an opportunity to educate the
>> public in
>> the hope that the situation they have endured will not happen to
>> anyone
>> else. If that is what they are asking for, I would think that we
>> in the NFB
>> should find common cause with them.
>> 
>> Just my thoughts,
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Armando
>> Vias via
>> NABS-L
>> Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 6:41 AM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Armando Vias <a.vias at outlook.com
>> Subject: [NABS-L] 12-year-old with disabilities kicked out of
>> movie theater
>> my reaction
>> 
>> Here is my reaction. So a 12-year-old with a disability got
>> kicked out of a
>> movie theater! All because she was breathing! A man was sitting
>> in front of
>> her. The man then complained to the manager of the theater! The
>> parents and
>> the child were told to leave. I believe that this clearly
>> violates the
>> Americans withDisabilities Act. I believe that all employees
>> must receive
>> training regarding accommodating people with disabilities. You
>> can read the
>> article by clicking the link below. This happened in West
>> Virginia.
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Special-needs-girls-family-asked
>> -to-leave-t
>> heater-because-of-loud-breathing-490316211.html
>> 
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>> for Windows
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From carlos.montas at att.net  Sun Aug 12 00:47:30 2018
From: carlos.montas at att.net (Carlos Montas)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 20:47:30 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Career transition and questions about non-traditional
 students and the the role that nabs can play
Message-ID: <0B15B92D-F2C4-45A5-991A-20B3557B2D8B@att.net>

Good evening to you all on the list. My name is Carlos Montas and I wanted to post  a question about career transitions and going back to school as an older student.   I would like to know what do you all think are the keys to being a successful student in todays environment?  I would like to know about the keys to being successful going to school on line? I would also like to know if you had to choose would you continue to work and go to school, or would focus on school full time? 
In my situation I am wanting to go back to school to get my  my masster's in Public Adminestration. My career has focused on working  in the field of vocational rehabilatation.   My idea is to work on more systemic issues in the public policy in the areas of improving the over all vocational rehabilatation system.  

Finally  how can nabs help the non-traditional student?  
Sincerely,  
Carlos Montas 

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From aliherky at gmail.com  Sun Aug 12 01:26:59 2018
From: aliherky at gmail.com (Ali)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 20:26:59 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] 12-year-old with disabilities kicked out
 ofmovietheater my reaction
Message-ID: <5b6f8cfe.1c69fb81.9eb3b.c711@mx.google.com>

I=20understand.=20No=20matter=20what=20you=20say,=20some=20one=20will=20be=
=20offended.=20
I=20actually=20think=20that=20would=20have=20been=20a=20good=20idea.

Ali

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Emily=20Schlenker=20via=20NABS-L=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Sat,=2011=20Aug=202018=2018:08:17=20-0500
Subject:=20Re:=20[NABS-L]=2012-year-old=20with=20disabilities=20kicked=20ou=
t=20
ofmovietheater=20my=20reaction

The=20whole=20point=20of=20the=20room=20is=20you=20still=20get=20to=20enjoy=
=20the=20movie=20
without=20your=20loud=20child=20interrupting=20anyone.=20I=20actually=20thi=
nk=20
something=20like=20this=20might=20work,=20but=20I=20am=20sure=20that=20my=20=
suggestion=20
will=20still=20attend=20some=20people.

Sent=20from=20my=20iPhone

=20On=20Aug=2011,=202018,=20at=206:00=20PM,=20Roger=20Newell=20via=20NABS-L=
=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:

=20Yes,=20I=20believe=20they=20can.

=20On=208/12/18,=20Ali=20via=20NABS-L=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:
=20Just=20out=20of=20curiosity,=20can=20those=20in=20the=20cry=20room=20hea=
r=20the=20movie?

=20Ali

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20From:=20Emily=20Schlenker=20via=20NABS-L=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Date=20sent:=20Fri,=2010=20Aug=202018=2018:53:55=20-0500
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[NABS-L]=2012-year-old=20with=20disabilities=20kicked=20=
out=20
of
=20movietheater=20my=20reaction

=20Well,=20our=20local=20theaters=20have=20what=20they=20call=20a=20cry=20r=
oom=20for=20
small
=20children=20who=20are=20loud.=20This=20might=20be=20an=20option,=20I=20do=
n=E2=80=99t=20mean
=20this=20suggestion=20to=20offend=20people.=20There=20are=20just=20some=20=
patrons=20
who
=20are=20louder=20than=20others.

=20Sent=20from=20my=20iPhone

=20On=20Aug=2010,=202018,=20at=206:46=20PM,=20Roger=20Newell=20via=20NABS-L=

=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:

=20Chris,=20I=20would=20generally=20agree=20that=20"separate=20but=20equal"=

=20treatment=20is
=20detrimental=20to=20both=20the=20blind=20person=20and=20broader=20society=
,=20but=20I
=20believe=20that=20it=20is=20an=20option=20worth=20considering=20in=20this=
=20case.
=201.=20The=20child's=20breathing=20was=20so=20loud=20that=20it=20actually=
=20caused
=20distress
=20to=20other=20patrons.=20If=20the=20breathing=20could=20be=20heard=20clea=
rly=20during
=20loud
=20portions=20of=20the=20movie,=20it=20sounds=20like=20it=20is=20a=20physic=
ological
=20issue,=20or
=20perhaps=20it=20is=20the=20result=20of=20a=20cognitive=20disability=20so=
=20severe
=20that=20the
=20child=20could=20not=20be=20taught=20how=20to=20channel=20her=20excitemen=
t=20in
=20another
=20way,=20though=20of=20course=20we=20don't=20know=20this=20as=20it=20was=20=
not=20described
=20in
=20the=20article;=20conversely,=20it=20could=20be=20that=20the=20parents=20=
and
=20teachers=20of
=20the=20child=20have=20very=20low=20expectations.
=202.=20I=20have=20heard=20of=20movie=20theaters=20offering=20separate=20sc=
reenings
=20(at
=20least=20in=20my=20country)=20to=20people=20with=20autism=20and=20other=20=
conditions
=20that
=20would=20inhibit=20the=20ability=20of=20their=20families/caregivers=20or=
=20other
=20theater-goers=20to=20enjoy=20the=20movie.=20I=20feel=20that=20this=20is=
=20warranted
=20in
=20this=20case=20because=20it=20would=20have=20been=20the=20least=20restric=
tive
=20environment
=20for=20the=20girl=20or=20their=20family,=20allowing=20them=20to=20enjoy=20=
the=20movie
=20without
=20additional=20stress.

=20Now=20I=20must=20emphatically=20state=20that=20a=20separate=20screening=
=20of=20the
=20movie
=20is=20definitely=20not=20ideal=20in=20all=20circumstances--blind=20people=
=20have
=20the
=20right=20to=20integrate=20into=20society=20so=20that=20we=20can=20enjoy=20=
the=20same
=20benefits
=20as=20our=20sighted=20counterparts=20while=20simultaneously=20raising=20t=
he
=20expectations=20and=20altering=20the=20beliefs=20of=20society;=20but=20we=
=20must
=20also
=20respect=20that=20this=20is=20not=20achievable=20in=20all=20circumstances=
.=20Again
=20I=20will
=20ask=20the=20question:=20if=20the=20child=20was=20found=20to=20have=20no=
=20other=20way=20to
=20channel=20her=20excitement=20and=20you,=20a=20paying=20customer,=20were=
=20seated
=20next=20to
=20her=20in=20a=20full=20movie=20theater,=20what=20would=20you=20do?=20We=20=
cannot
=20definitively
=20state=20what=20should=20have=20happened=20in=20this=20case=20because=20w=
e=20simply
=20have
=20far=20too=20little=20information,=20but=20I=20think=20it=20is=20worthy=20=
to=20think
=20about
=20how=20blind=20people=20with=20significant=20disabilities=20in=20addition=
=20to
=20their
=20blindness=20should=20participate=20in=20society.

=20I=20am=20interested=20in=20reading=20other's=20thoughts=20on=20this=20an=
d=20weeing
=20how=20the
=20story=20develops=20from=20here.

=20On=208/11/18,=20Chris=20Nusbaum=20via=20NABS-L=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20w=
rote:
=20Hello=20All:

=20This=20is=20certainly=20an=20interesting=20case=20of=20apparent=20discri=
mination
=20which
=20still
=20raises=20questions=20about=20where=20we=20should=20draw=20the=20line=20b=
etween
=20insisting=20on
=20equal=20access=20to=20public=20accommodations=20and=20respecting=20the=20=
rights
=20of=20the
=20public=20with=20whom=20we=20share=20those=20accommodations.=20At=20first=
=20glance,
=20it=20would
=20seem=20that=20the=20decision=20of=20the=20manager=20to=20kick=20the=20fa=
mily=20out=20is
=20an
=20overreaction=20at=20best=20and=20outright=20discrimination=20at=20worst.=

=20Moreover,=20I
=20think
=20that=20the=20complaint=20from=20the=20moviegoer=20was=20also=20an=20inco=
nsiderate
=20overreaction,=20particularly=20given=20the=20fact=20that=20it=20was=20pl=
ain=20to
=20see=20that=20the
=20girl=20has=20multiple=20disabilities=20which=20impact=20her=20life=20and=

=20behavior.=20In=20my
=20opinion,=20there=20were=20many=20courses=20of=20action=20he=20could=20ha=
ve=20taken
=20which=20would
=20have=20avoided=20the=20situation=20we=20are=20now=20discussing:=20He=20c=
ould=20have
=20moved
=20seats,
=20asked=20to=20be=20seated=20closer=20to=20the=20speakers,=20or=20asked=20=
for=20one=20of
=20the
=20theatre's
=20amplification=20devices.

=20On=20the=20other=20hand,=20I=20think=20it=20is=20important=20for=20us=20=
to=20recognize
=20that=20equal
=20access=20is=20a=20two-way=20street.=20When=20we=20participate=20in=20bli=
ndness
=20training
=20programs=20or=20seminars,=20we=20often=20spend=20a=20lot=20of=20time=20f=
ocusing=20on
=20social
=20skills
=20so=20we=20can=20ensure=20that=20we=20are=20conducting=20ourselves=20in=20=
a=20way=20which
=20makes=20us
=20appear=20competent=20and=20presentable,=20thereby=20causing=20others=20i=
n
=20society=20to=20be
=20more=20disposed=20toward=20giving=20us=20the=20access=20we=20seek.=20I'm=
=20sure=20that
=20many=20of
=20us,
=20including=20myself,=20have=20dealt=20with=20"blindisms"=20in=20our
=20childhood--those
=20quirky
=20behaviors=20like=20hand=20shaking=20or=20eye=20poking=20which=20are=20su=
pposedly
=20done=20out=20of
=20habit=20in=20order=20to=20provide=20stimulation=20which=20would=20otherw=
ise=20come
=20visually.
=20For=20my=20part,=20I=20was=20often=20frustrated=20by=20my=20parents'=20r=
epeated
=20correction=20of
=20me
=20whenever=20they=20saw=20me=20doing=20a=20"blindism,"=20but=20I'm=20thank=
ful=20for=20it
=20now
=20because
=20it=20has=20allowed=20me=20to=20better=20fit=20into=20various=20social=20=
circles.=20In
=20that=20vain,
=20I
=20wonder=20if=20there=20is=20anything=20the=20girl's=20parents=20could=20d=
o=20to=20teach
=20her=20to
=20normalize=20her=20breathing?=20Are=20there=20other=20ways=20in=20which=20=
she=20could
=20express
=20her
=20emotions=20without=20disturbing=20those=20around=20her?=20If=20her
=20disabilities=20prevent
=20her=20from=20changing=20this=20behavior,=20there=20is=20nothing=20left=20=
for=20the
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From emitchell927 at icloud.com  Sun Aug 12 11:04:09 2018
From: emitchell927 at icloud.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 07:04:09 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Career transition and questions about non-traditional
 students and the the role that nabs can play
In-Reply-To: <0B15B92D-F2C4-45A5-991A-20B3557B2D8B@att.net>
References: <0B15B92D-F2C4-45A5-991A-20B3557B2D8B@att.net>
Message-ID: <10C62D58-8AFA-442A-A18E-C9502029CAFC@icloud.com>

Hi, Carlos first a computer Braille and iPhone would be where I would start as far as technology I would focus on school full time if possible I don’t know about online schooling so I will delegate that question to someone else hope this helps.
Emma

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 11, 2018, at 8:47 PM, Carlos Montas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good evening to you all on the list. My name is Carlos Montas and I wanted to post  a question about career transitions and going back to school as an older student.   I would like to know what do you all think are the keys to being a successful student in todays environment?  I would like to know about the keys to being successful going to school on line? I would also like to know if you had to choose would you continue to work and go to school, or would focus on school full time? 
> In my situation I am wanting to go back to school to get my  my masster's in Public Adminestration. My career has focused on working  in the field of vocational rehabilatation.   My idea is to work on more systemic issues in the public policy in the areas of improving the over all vocational rehabilatation system.  
> 
> Finally  how can nabs help the non-traditional student?  
> Sincerely,  
> Carlos Montas 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Sun Aug 12 12:53:40 2018
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (NABS President)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 08:53:40 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Fundraising Committee call tonight at 9pm eastern
Message-ID: <9270095B-A4F9-49D4-9EFB-587957EA7E8F@gmail.com>

We are so excited to hear from many of you tonight at the NABS Fundraising Committee call. Raising finances for our organization is essential in seeing our projects through. Please join us tonight at 9pm eastern. 
Call: 712-770-5197,,265669.

Talk soon,
Kathryn, dustin, Elizabeth, and Harry 
NABS Fundraising Committee Leadership 

Kathryn Webster
President, National Association of Blind Students
(203) 273-8463
Sent from my iPhone

From janae.burgmeier at gmail.com  Sun Aug 12 14:34:37 2018
From: janae.burgmeier at gmail.com (Janae Burgmeier)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 09:34:37 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] non-traditional students and the the role that nabs can
 play
Message-ID: <F614EF19-1890-441A-94D5-7D81982D5AFA@gmail.com>

Carlos,
I am getting my MBA while working full time. It’s pretty similar to the public admin area so feel free to reach out to me if you had questions. 

If you can afford it, go to school full time.  If you are like me and cannot, do not take more than one class at a time. It will take you forever but you will not be able to do more if you are working. 

For online classes, it’s best to figure out what platform they are using like blackboard or moodle. Some platforms are more accessible than others. 

A lot of classes like to use the message boards for discussion questions so you will have to learn the etiquette of posting a thread and replying to them if that’s not something you know. 

If you are good with technology you will be fine. A lot of textbooks still are not accessible electronically so you will probably have to go the traditional route you are used to for that anyway, however, if you have some eyesight you can use kindle textbooks on their app but you just have to zoom in on the text since it doesn’t work with voiceover. 

I think non traditional students could make a great outreach call. If you have any ideas about how NABS could support you, please let us know but I feel like s lot of our information can be applicable across lots of students and their situation. 

I don’t want to get too wordy with advice but feel free to reach out if you have questions. 

From keribcu at gmail.com  Sun Aug 12 14:51:18 2018
From: keribcu at gmail.com (Keri Svendsen)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 10:51:18 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Career transition and questions about non-traditional
 students and the the role that nabs can play
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Hey is this Carlos from the zone, Anible's friend and all that?

I think this is you. lol


On 8/11/2018 8:47 PM, Carlos Montas via NABS-L wrote:
> Good evening to you all on the list. My name is Carlos Montas and I wanted to post  a question about career transitions and going back to school as an older student.   I would like to know what do you all think are the keys to being a successful student in todays environment?  I would like to know about the keys to being successful going to school on line? I would also like to know if you had to choose would you continue to work and go to school, or would focus on school full time?
> In my situation I am wanting to go back to school to get my  my masster's in Public Adminestration. My career has focused on working  in the field of vocational rehabilatation.   My idea is to work on more systemic issues in the public policy in the areas of improving the over all vocational rehabilatation system.
>
> Finally  how can nabs help the non-traditional student?
> Sincerely,
> Carlos Montas
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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-- 
Keri Svendsen



From hstaley at nfbtx.org  Sun Aug 12 18:04:51 2018
From: hstaley at nfbtx.org (Harry Staley)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 13:04:51 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Career transition and questions about non-traditional
 students and the the role that nabs can play
In-Reply-To: <116d0ae2-d483-b0a7-6c2c-542145350aef@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1534096312.local-d09678c7-ef85-v1.4.0-549b7968@getmailspring.com>

Good afternoon;

NABs actually has quite a few of non-traditional students involved. I am one who is working full time while going to school full time. The solutions that you will need will depend highly on what your skills are. Working full time while in school has some interesting challenges that require that you have an extremely strong mastery of time management and figuring out techniques that can make you as efficient as possible. Some things that I have done is squeeze out every minute of time in my day to fit in what I like to call opportunistic studying. I love things like the Pomodoro technique, spaced repetition systems such as flash cards, and also taking one class at first to figure out the scheduling flex abilities that your employer will will actually work with. You can feel free to contact me directly to chat.
One thing that NABs can help you with is advocacy with your DSS office if needed. When I went to school the first time there was no DSS office to either help or hinder you.
Harry Staley
330-718-1876
hstaley at nfbtx.org

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On Aug 12 2018, at 9:51 am, Keri Svendsen via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hey is this Carlos from the zone, Anible's friend and all that?
> I think this is you. lol
>
> On 8/11/2018 8:47 PM, Carlos Montas via NABS-L wrote:
> > Good evening to you all on the list. My name is Carlos Montas and I wanted to post a question about career transitions and going back to school as an older student. I would like to know what do you all think are the keys to being a successful student in todays environment? I would like to know about the keys to being successful going to school on line? I would also like to know if you had to choose would you continue to work and go to school, or would focus on school full time?
> > In my situation I am wanting to go back to school to get my my masster's in Public Adminestration. My career has focused on working in the field of vocational rehabilatation. My idea is to work on more systemic issues in the public policy in the areas of improving the over all vocational rehabilatation system.
> >
> > Finally how can nabs help the non-traditional student?
> > Sincerely,
> > Carlos Montas
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > _______________________________________________
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> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/keribcu%40gmail.com
>
>
> --
> Keri Svendsen
>
>
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From sarah at sarahblakelarose.com  Sun Aug 12 18:32:19 2018
From: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com (sarah at sarahblakelarose.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 14:32:19 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Career transition and questions about non-traditional
 students and the the role that nabs can play
In-Reply-To: <10C62D58-8AFA-442A-A18E-C9502029CAFC@icloud.com>
References: <0B15B92D-F2C4-45A5-991A-20B3557B2D8B@att.net>
	<10C62D58-8AFA-442A-A18E-C9502029CAFC@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <009d01d4326a$ce413890$6ac3a9b0$@sarahblakelarose.com>

Hi, Carlos.
The question of whether to work while attending school or not, in my experience, depends greatly on whether you need to support a family and whether you can afford personally to take the time to handle school full-time. I did not work during my Master's degree; but I have worked during my progress on my D.Min. (a professional doctorate). The D.Min. is a degree that assumes each candidate is working; but in addition to this, I am also the sole provider in my family--my husband is unable to work full-time at this stage of his life.

Online education is becoming extremely popular and is allowing many people to continue working while pursuing advanced degrees. My doctorate degree was in a modular format which required me to attend one-week intensive sessions twice each year. The rest of the work was submitted via online learning systems, and 40 per cent of the coursework was research-oriented. During my final year, 100 per cent is research.

I think that probably the greatest asset of NABS for nontraditional students and graduate students is networking. Imho, I think at the graduate level there is no nontraditional student. People pursue graduate degrees at every age now, and there is no norm. Welcome to your next step!


Rev. Sarah Blake LaRose
http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
Accessible instruction in Biblical languages

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Emma Mitchell via NABS-L
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 7:04 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Emma Mitchell <emitchell927 at icloud.com>
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Career transition and questions about non-traditional students and the the role that nabs can play

Hi, Carlos first a computer Braille and iPhone would be where I would start as far as technology I would focus on school full time if possible I don’t know about online schooling so I will delegate that question to someone else hope this helps.
Emma

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 11, 2018, at 8:47 PM, Carlos Montas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good evening to you all on the list. My name is Carlos Montas and I wanted to post  a question about career transitions and going back to school as an older student.   I would like to know what do you all think are the keys to being a successful student in todays environment?  I would like to know about the keys to being successful going to school on line? I would also like to know if you had to choose would you continue to work and go to school, or would focus on school full time? 
> In my situation I am wanting to go back to school to get my  my masster's in Public Adminestration. My career has focused on working  in the field of vocational rehabilatation.   My idea is to work on more systemic issues in the public policy in the areas of improving the over all vocational rehabilatation system.  
> 
> Finally  how can nabs help the non-traditional student?  
> Sincerely,  
> Carlos Montas 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 12 19:36:42 2018
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 15:36:42 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Career transition and questions about non-traditional
 students and the the role that nabs can play
Message-ID: <5b708c4d.1c69fb81.54b26.1d8d@mx.google.com>

Hi Carlos thanks for your message. After high school I went straight into college. My Dad did not allow my sisters and I to work while we were in college. I was expected to finish college just like my two older sisters in spite of my blindness. Now that I am finished with school, I am focusing on learning the necessary independent living skills that will allow me to succed in my daily life.

On Aug 11, 2018 8:47 PM, Carlos Montas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Good evening to you all on the list. My name is Carlos Montas and I wanted to post  a question about career transitions and going back to school as an older student.   I would like to know what do you all think are the keys to being a successful student in todays environment?  I would like to know about the keys to being successful going to school on line? I would also like to know if you had to choose would you continue to work and go to school, or would focus on school full time? 
> In my situation I am wanting to go back to school to get my  my masster's in Public Adminestration. My career has focused on working  in the field of vocational rehabilatation.   My idea is to work on more systemic issues in the public policy in the areas of improving the over all vocational rehabilatation system.  
>
> Finally  how can nabs help the non-traditional student?  
> Sincerely,  
> Carlos Montas 
>
> Sent from my iPhone 
>
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From bluezinfandel at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 13 13:21:53 2018
From: bluezinfandel at hotmail.com (Ben Fulton)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 13:21:53 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] non-traditional students and the the role that nabs can
 play
Message-ID: <CY4PR22MB0552D2C54749C924687DDA0DA8390@CY4PR22MB0552.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Carlos,

I would say some of the skills you will need will be in self advocacy. I found going to school that had a substantial amount of online content I had to work with I.T. and administration a lot. In the first semester the recorded lectures were posted on an online platform where the play buttons had to be clicked by a mouse, I learned a bit about virtualizing the jaws cursor, but in the end I had to lobby the administration to change how the recorded lectures were delivered. I actually formed a student organization to this end, and the organization continues to advocate for students requiring accommodations for all students. Although originally focused solely on issues for blind or visually impaired students, we found that having a broader focus increased student participation and made our voice stronger, although we were initially concerned about diluting our message.

I would also say technology and grants will be your best friend. Use as much available funding for technology as possible. A high tech braille output device, like braille note would be good. Also, software and training, get the latest version of JAWS with a license agreement for updates if possible. I also found Kurzwell was an excellent program, the OCR is better than JAWS or Adobe acrobat. In some cases I was able to figure out jpgs and gif files where events were being advertised on posters. I also found training to be essential. If you can get funding for training I would recommend it. Make a list of the skills you think you may need, and work on developing those skills.

Some things will come as a result of doing them. I had to learn how to use power point, because a lot of presentations were done with power point. 

Also, find out what platform the school uses and arrange tutorials in advance of classes. My school was using Moodle, but I have heard of others like blackboard. The programs do work differently, and I find it takes me a while to learn the new system, you may not want to be dealing with that at the same time as classes and other challenges with a new school.

I also went to school a month before classes started to get a physical orientation to the campus. I found going there with a qualified O&M instructor really helped. Depending on size and complexity you might need a few days of orientation. 

Also, contact your professors as early as possible. I found that I had to find out what textbooks were required and then work with the library to transcribe them into digital formats. Depending on the text, this could take a few weeks. So starting at least a month in advance of classes is a good idea. 

If you can work and go to school it is a great way to avoid excessive amounts of debt. It really depends on your program and financial position. Working and going to school can be difficult, and depending on your program not possible, or the program might take longer to finish. It's a personal choice. If you feel grades would suffer, it might be better to focus on school, but I find that staying busy on projects outside of scool actually increases school performance. 

I think NABS is a great place to get information about many aspects of life as a blind student.

All the best,
Ben

> Good evening to you all on the list. My name is Carlos Montas and I wanted to post  a question about career transitions and going back to school as an older student.   I would like to know what do you all think are the keys to being a successful student in todays environment?  I would like to know about the keys to being successful going to school on line? I would also like to know if you had to choose would you continue to work and go to school, or would focus on school full time? 
> In my situation I am wanting to go back to school to get my  my masster's in Public Adminestration. My career has focused on working  in the field of vocational rehabilatation.   My idea is to work on more systemic issues in the public policy in the areas of improving the over all vocational rehabilatation system.  
> 
> Finally  how can nabs help the non-traditional student?  
> Sincerely,  
> Carlos Montas



From cather_dustin at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 14 02:14:48 2018
From: cather_dustin at yahoo.com (Dustin Cather)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 02:14:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [NABS-L] 2018-2019 NABS Fantasy Football!
References: <488798993.7372672.1534212888188.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <488798993.7372672.1534212888188@mail.yahoo.com>

Who is ready for some huck'em chuck'em football?! It is that time of the year again, football season! That means the National Association of Blind Students is excited to present the 2018-2019 NABS Fantasy Football League. This year, we are opening up four leagues with up to 12 managers per league. The cost to enter a league is $30 with the winner of each league winning $150.We will be using the Yahoo Fantasy Sports platform, so download the app today! Once the leagues are set in place, we will set up a draft date that works for everyone. So do you think you have the skills and knowledge to manage your team to victory? Then sign up today! Spots will be filling up fast. Help support the National Association of Blind Students, and lets have some friendly competition.Game on!

Claim your spot today by filling out this registration form: https://docs.google.com/…/1FAIpQLSes9iSFBotyE5T6e…/viewform…


If you have any questions feel free to reach out to commissioner Dustin Cather at cather.dustin at gmail.com

Best of luck to all!

From ALewis at nfb.org  Tue Aug 14 19:26:54 2018
From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 19:26:54 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] Only two slots remaining for Testers for the Accessibility
 of Math Graphing Tools ($150.00 Amazon gift card)
Message-ID: <BN6PR17MB1668E403E32B280C9D1A2012C1380@BN6PR17MB1668.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>


The National Federation of the Blind is recruiting blind students to participate in a 1 ½ hour usability study to test the accessibility of certain math graphing tools. Each participating student will receive a $150.00 Amazon gift card. The testing will occur August 21-24, 2018, and students can participate remotely.

Requirements for participation are:


  1.  The student has passed intermediate algebra or a higher math course
  2.  The student knows how to graph a circle in the coordinate plane
  3.  The student knows how to shade a region in a coordinate plane that corresponds to a system of linear inequalities
  4.  The student has access to a computer with JAWS 17, 18, or 2018 installed
  5.  The student has access to a computer microphone or phone line

If you believe you qualify to participate in this study and are interested, please email Stacie Dubnow at sdubnow at nfb.org<mailto:sdubnow at nfb.org>.

Stacie Dubnow, J.D.
Project Manager
200 East Wells Street, Baltimore, MD 21230
(410) 659-9314, Ext. 2442 | sdubnow at nfb.org


[National Federation of the Blind]<https://nfb.org/>

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From hstaley at nfbtx.org  Tue Aug 14 19:51:30 2018
From: hstaley at nfbtx.org (Harry Staley)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 14:51:30 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Only two slots remaining for Testers for the
 Accessibility of Math Graphing Tools ($150.00 Amazon gift card)
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR17MB1668E403E32B280C9D1A2012C1380@BN6PR17MB1668.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN6PR17MB1668E403E32B280C9D1A2012C1380@BN6PR17MB1668.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <E655D59D-4A6C-41E1-97DC-39047ED9F14B@nfbtx.org>

What do I need to do?

Harry Staley
(330) 718-1876
hstaley at nfbtx.org

> On Aug 14, 2018, at 14:26, Lewis, Anil via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> The National Federation of the Blind is recruiting blind students to participate in a 1 ½ hour usability study to test the accessibility of certain math graphing tools. Each participating student will receive a $150.00 Amazon gift card. The testing will occur August 21-24, 2018, and students can participate remotely.
> 
> Requirements for participation are:
> 
> 
>  1.  The student has passed intermediate algebra or a higher math course
>  2.  The student knows how to graph a circle in the coordinate plane
>  3.  The student knows how to shade a region in a coordinate plane that corresponds to a system of linear inequalities
>  4.  The student has access to a computer with JAWS 17, 18, or 2018 installed
>  5.  The student has access to a computer microphone or phone line
> 
> If you believe you qualify to participate in this study and are interested, please email Stacie Dubnow at sdubnow at nfb.org<mailto:sdubnow at nfb.org>.
> 
> Stacie Dubnow, J.D.
> Project Manager
> 200 East Wells Street, Baltimore, MD 21230
> (410) 659-9314, Ext. 2442 | sdubnow at nfb.org
> 
> 
> [National Federation of the Blind]<https://nfb.org/>
> 
>                         [Facebook] <http://www.facebook.com/nationalfederationoftheblind>     [Twitter] <https://twitter.com/NFB_Voice>     [Youtube] <https://www.youtube.com/NationsBlind>
> 
> The National Federation of the Blind is a community of members and friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation's blind. Every day we work together to help blind people live the lives they want.
> 
> Disclaimer
> 
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 14 20:24:49 2018
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 16:24:49 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Only two slots remaining for Testers for the
 Accessibility of Math Graphing Tools ($150.00 Amazon gift card)
In-Reply-To: <E655D59D-4A6C-41E1-97DC-39047ED9F14B@nfbtx.org>
References: <BN6PR17MB1668E403E32B280C9D1A2012C1380@BN6PR17MB1668.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
	<E655D59D-4A6C-41E1-97DC-39047ED9F14B@nfbtx.org>
Message-ID: <FB3F8340-B2FC-426D-9E64-8DDEC0C89475@gmail.com>

Harry, read the email and send a message to Stacie who's email is included.

Anna E Givens

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 14, 2018, at 3:51 PM, Harry Staley via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> What do I need to do?
> 
> Harry Staley
> (330) 718-1876
> hstaley at nfbtx.org
> 
>> On Aug 14, 2018, at 14:26, Lewis, Anil via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> The National Federation of the Blind is recruiting blind students to participate in a 1 ½ hour usability study to test the accessibility of certain math graphing tools. Each participating student will receive a $150.00 Amazon gift card. The testing will occur August 21-24, 2018, and students can participate remotely.
>> 
>> Requirements for participation are:
>> 
>> 
>> 1.  The student has passed intermediate algebra or a higher math course
>> 2.  The student knows how to graph a circle in the coordinate plane
>> 3.  The student knows how to shade a region in a coordinate plane that corresponds to a system of linear inequalities
>> 4.  The student has access to a computer with JAWS 17, 18, or 2018 installed
>> 5.  The student has access to a computer microphone or phone line
>> 
>> If you believe you qualify to participate in this study and are interested, please email Stacie Dubnow at sdubnow at nfb.org<mailto:sdubnow at nfb.org>.
>> 
>> Stacie Dubnow, J.D.
>> Project Manager
>> 200 East Wells Street, Baltimore, MD 21230
>> (410) 659-9314, Ext. 2442 | sdubnow at nfb.org
>> 
>> 
>> [National Federation of the Blind]<https://nfb.org/>
>> 
>>                        [Facebook] <http://www.facebook.com/nationalfederationoftheblind>     [Twitter] <https://twitter.com/NFB_Voice>     [Youtube] <https://www.youtube.com/NationsBlind>
>> 
>> The National Federation of the Blind is a community of members and friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation's blind. Every day we work together to help blind people live the lives they want.
>> 
>> Disclaimer
>> 
>> The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful.
>> 
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>> 
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From hstaley at nfbtx.org  Tue Aug 14 20:45:08 2018
From: hstaley at nfbtx.org (Harry Staley)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 15:45:08 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Only two slots remaining for Testers for the
 Accessibility of Math Graphing Tools ($150.00 Amazon gift card)
In-Reply-To: <FB3F8340-B2FC-426D-9E64-8DDEC0C89475@gmail.com>
References: <BN6PR17MB1668E403E32B280C9D1A2012C1380@BN6PR17MB1668.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
	<E655D59D-4A6C-41E1-97DC-39047ED9F14B@nfbtx.org>
	<FB3F8340-B2FC-426D-9E64-8DDEC0C89475@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E08518F8-8034-45AC-8C67-5171CE014B82@nfbtx.org>

Thank you for the sarcasm.

Harry Staley
(330) 718-1876
hstaley at nfbtx.org

> On Aug 14, 2018, at 15:24, Anna Givens via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Harry, read the email and send a message to Stacie who's email is included.
> 
> Anna E Givens
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 14, 2018, at 3:51 PM, Harry Staley via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> What do I need to do?
>> 
>> Harry Staley
>> (330) 718-1876
>> hstaley at nfbtx.org
>> 
>>> On Aug 14, 2018, at 14:26, Lewis, Anil via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The National Federation of the Blind is recruiting blind students to participate in a 1 ½ hour usability study to test the accessibility of certain math graphing tools. Each participating student will receive a $150.00 Amazon gift card. The testing will occur August 21-24, 2018, and students can participate remotely.
>>> 
>>> Requirements for participation are:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 1.  The student has passed intermediate algebra or a higher math course
>>> 2.  The student knows how to graph a circle in the coordinate plane
>>> 3.  The student knows how to shade a region in a coordinate plane that corresponds to a system of linear inequalities
>>> 4.  The student has access to a computer with JAWS 17, 18, or 2018 installed
>>> 5.  The student has access to a computer microphone or phone line
>>> 
>>> If you believe you qualify to participate in this study and are interested, please email Stacie Dubnow at sdubnow at nfb.org<mailto:sdubnow at nfb.org>.
>>> 
>>> Stacie Dubnow, J.D.
>>> Project Manager
>>> 200 East Wells Street, Baltimore, MD 21230
>>> (410) 659-9314, Ext. 2442 | sdubnow at nfb.org
>>> 
>>> 
>>> [National Federation of the Blind]<https://nfb.org/>
>>> 
>>>                       [Facebook] <http://www.facebook.com/nationalfederationoftheblind>     [Twitter] <https://twitter.com/NFB_Voice>     [Youtube] <https://www.youtube.com/NationsBlind>
>>> 
>>> The National Federation of the Blind is a community of members and friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation's blind. Every day we work together to help blind people live the lives they want.
>>> 
>>> Disclaimer
>>> 
>>> The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful.
>>> 
>>> This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website.
>>> 
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>>> 
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From hstaley at nfbtx.org  Tue Aug 14 20:46:25 2018
From: hstaley at nfbtx.org (Harry Staley)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 15:46:25 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Only two slots remaining for Testers for the
 Accessibility of Math Graphing Tools ($150.00 Amazon gift card)
In-Reply-To: <FB3F8340-B2FC-426D-9E64-8DDEC0C89475@gmail.com>
References: <BN6PR17MB1668E403E32B280C9D1A2012C1380@BN6PR17MB1668.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
	<E655D59D-4A6C-41E1-97DC-39047ED9F14B@nfbtx.org>
	<FB3F8340-B2FC-426D-9E64-8DDEC0C89475@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <19962B35-1BA8-41A6-B739-E5B5458C73FD@nfbtx.org>

My question was more towards what are the responsibilities of a tester and to get more information before signing up.

Harry Staley
(330) 718-1876
hstaley at nfbtx.org

> On Aug 14, 2018, at 15:24, Anna Givens via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Harry, read the email and send a message to Stacie who's email is included.
> 
> Anna E Givens
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 14, 2018, at 3:51 PM, Harry Staley via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> What do I need to do?
>> 
>> Harry Staley
>> (330) 718-1876
>> hstaley at nfbtx.org
>> 
>>> On Aug 14, 2018, at 14:26, Lewis, Anil via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The National Federation of the Blind is recruiting blind students to participate in a 1 ½ hour usability study to test the accessibility of certain math graphing tools. Each participating student will receive a $150.00 Amazon gift card. The testing will occur August 21-24, 2018, and students can participate remotely.
>>> 
>>> Requirements for participation are:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 1.  The student has passed intermediate algebra or a higher math course
>>> 2.  The student knows how to graph a circle in the coordinate plane
>>> 3.  The student knows how to shade a region in a coordinate plane that corresponds to a system of linear inequalities
>>> 4.  The student has access to a computer with JAWS 17, 18, or 2018 installed
>>> 5.  The student has access to a computer microphone or phone line
>>> 
>>> If you believe you qualify to participate in this study and are interested, please email Stacie Dubnow at sdubnow at nfb.org<mailto:sdubnow at nfb.org>.
>>> 
>>> Stacie Dubnow, J.D.
>>> Project Manager
>>> 200 East Wells Street, Baltimore, MD 21230
>>> (410) 659-9314, Ext. 2442 | sdubnow at nfb.org
>>> 
>>> 
>>> [National Federation of the Blind]<https://nfb.org/>
>>> 
>>>                       [Facebook] <http://www.facebook.com/nationalfederationoftheblind>     [Twitter] <https://twitter.com/NFB_Voice>     [Youtube] <https://www.youtube.com/NationsBlind>
>>> 
>>> The National Federation of the Blind is a community of members and friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation's blind. Every day we work together to help blind people live the lives they want.
>>> 
>>> Disclaimer
>>> 
>>> The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful.
>>> 
>>> This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website.
>>> 
>>> Disclaimer
>>> 
>>> The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful.
>>> 
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>> 
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From kenia.flores at furman.edu  Tue Aug 14 22:50:24 2018
From: kenia.flores at furman.edu (Kenia Flores-Student)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 22:50:24 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] Join the Legislative Advocacy Committee This Sunday!!
Message-ID: <DM2PR0401MB097553A02E588C173F8E2B80E4380@DM2PR0401MB0975.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Good evening, fellow students,

I hope you are all enjoying the few weeks of summer that we have remaining.
For those who may have missed the 2018 NABS committee announcements, I am the Legislative Advocacy Committee Chair,. I have the pleasure of chairing this committee with co-chairs Rillee Sloan and Justin Salisbury.
Are you interested in becoming involved with legislation and advocacy but have been hesitant to take the plunge? If so, please join us for our monthly committee call this Sunday, August 19 at 8pm eastern. The call-in number is 712-770-5197, and the access code is 265669. We are eager to have you join us and look forward to speaking with you this Sunday!

Yours in the movement,
Kenia Flores

Kenia Flores
Furman University '20
Department of Politics and International Affairs
2nd Vice President | National Association of Blind Students
Chair | National Association of Blind Students Legislative Advocacy Committee
President | North Carolina Association of Blind Students
704.476.6629
Kenia.flores at furman.edu


From annajee82 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 14 23:54:30 2018
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 19:54:30 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Only two slots remaining for Testers for the
 Accessibility of Math Graphing Tools ($150.00 Amazon gift card)
In-Reply-To: <19962B35-1BA8-41A6-B739-E5B5458C73FD@nfbtx.org>
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No problem. Yes, you have to email Stacie for that info.

Anna

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 14, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Harry Staley via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> My question was more towards what are the responsibilities of a tester and to get more information before signing up.
> 
> Harry Staley
> (330) 718-1876
> hstaley at nfbtx.org
> 
>> On Aug 14, 2018, at 15:24, Anna Givens via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Harry, read the email and send a message to Stacie who's email is included.
>> 
>> Anna E Givens
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 14, 2018, at 3:51 PM, Harry Staley via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What do I need to do?
>>> 
>>> Harry Staley
>>> (330) 718-1876
>>> hstaley at nfbtx.org
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 14, 2018, at 14:26, Lewis, Anil via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The National Federation of the Blind is recruiting blind students to participate in a 1 ½ hour usability study to test the accessibility of certain math graphing tools. Each participating student will receive a $150.00 Amazon gift card. The testing will occur August 21-24, 2018, and students can participate remotely.
>>>> 
>>>> Requirements for participation are:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 1.  The student has passed intermediate algebra or a higher math course
>>>> 2.  The student knows how to graph a circle in the coordinate plane
>>>> 3.  The student knows how to shade a region in a coordinate plane that corresponds to a system of linear inequalities
>>>> 4.  The student has access to a computer with JAWS 17, 18, or 2018 installed
>>>> 5.  The student has access to a computer microphone or phone line
>>>> 
>>>> If you believe you qualify to participate in this study and are interested, please email Stacie Dubnow at sdubnow at nfb.org<mailto:sdubnow at nfb.org>.
>>>> 
>>>> Stacie Dubnow, J.D.
>>>> Project Manager
>>>> 200 East Wells Street, Baltimore, MD 21230
>>>> (410) 659-9314, Ext. 2442 | sdubnow at nfb.org
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> 
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From sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com  Wed Aug 15 14:45:53 2018
From: sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 10:45:53 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] FW: WAI-ARIA Developer MOOC Launches
Message-ID: <5b743ca2.1c69fb81.4775b.5f4d@mx.google.com>

Hi all,
Apologies for the cross-posting; please don't hit "reply all".
This looks like a great course to take for anyone with developer-level
skills. I've worked with this instructor and he's great.
Don't delay, sign up today!
Sarah

-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto:webaim-forum-bounces at list.webaim.org] On Behalf
Of Greg Gay
Sent: August 14, 2018 1:55 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: WAI-ARIA Developer MOOC Launches

All,

The Chang School of Continuing Education at Ryerson University has 
launched its third in the series of five free interactive MOOCs designed 
to raise awareness of web accessibility:

"Web Accessibility for Developers"

This course is for people who write code. The focus is on developing 
expertise using WAI-ARIA. Participants will be working with a collection 
of innaccessible widgets (like sliders, carousels, drag and drop etc.) 
and will learn to make them accessible. When the course is over, they 
walk away with a WAI-ARIA-fied Open Source Javascript library they can 
continue to use in their work.

The course runs Sept 24 to Oct 22

Reserve your spot by enrolling through the Canvas Network at:
https://www.canvas.net/browse/ryersonu/courses/adv-web-accessibility

These are high demand, essential skills, for any web developer (though 
I'm sure I don't need to tell people on this list)

Please share far and wide.

greg

P.S. Excuse the cross postings

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From rhondaprincess at gmail.com  Thu Aug 16 19:49:35 2018
From: rhondaprincess at gmail.com (Rhonda Cruz)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 12:49:35 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?
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 Hi everyone. My name is Rhonda, I think email is very accessible for people that have disabilities, I am also a Facebook user. But I don't think Facebook is very accessible. For people with multiple disabilities like myself. I am in some groups, but I feel like it does not work for me since I am totally blind and I'm also hearing your beard is well. I think the email groups I am also hearing impaired, I feel the email works for me because I can do easier communication with family and friends. And also keep up with groups that I'm in Port email. I feel that it works for me for make sense ability needs.

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 10, 2018, at 5:57 PM, Sarah via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I don't know whether this has already been said, so I will say it. I am grateful that the email list exists, though I am also a Facebook user. I have subscribed to a number of groups on FB and found the volume so high that I have unfollowed them, assuming I will check in from time to time. I never check most of them, and I am sure that I miss valuable conversations. With an email group, I can go past unwanted threads, either deleting original emails or deleting an entire thread if I wish. So the email group is invaluable to me.
> 
> 
> Rev. Sarah Blake LaRose
> http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
> Accessible instruction in Biblical languages
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 4:17 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Chris Nusbaum <cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?
> 
> Hi Friends:
> 
> Elizabeth, thank you for starting this important and very timely conversation. Many of you have already said what I would have said if I hadn't come so late to the party, so I will follow Michael's advice and avoid merely echoing other people's comments after reading the entire thread. However, I would like to offer one reflection.
> 
> It seems that some contributors have referred to the listserv as being useful for those who are not on social media, implying that it is not as useful for those who are. Personally, I have found that the list and social media are not mutually exclusive. Rather, they are different platforms which serve different but equally legitimate purposes. For instance, I think social media can often start a series of one-sided conversations. Though people of course have the option to comment on Facebook posts or reply to tweets, it is not as easy (or as common) for many people to chime in on a conversation on social media as it is for people to do so on a listserv.
> Since most social media users are only skimming through their feeds in their free time, they are less likely to read the entire comments section of an organization's post attentively than they are to reading a chain of email correspondence. So, in my observation, organizations tend to use social media as a way to announce what they are doing. On a personal level, I coordinated social media for NABS for two years. Because of the nature of social media, I was not able to have the conversations on those platforms that I was able to have on this list. Even so, as an active social media user and list member, I have found both to be useful in their own ways.
> 
> It may also be worth noting that, as many of us know, email is still the primary means of professional and organizational communication. As part of our student status, many of us are working to build a professional network which will serve us well as we move into the workforce. In my opinion, this list is a great way to find people who would be good additions to our networks, who we can then contact off-list for more detailed conversations.
> By the same token, this list can also be considered a kind of social network, as it allows us to ask questions of each other and bounce ideas off of people who share our interests and circumstances. So, it seems to me that this list can be viewed as a marriage of the best elements of social networking and professional email correspondence.
> 
> When I have more time for more reflection, I'll try my hand at answering Kathryn's questions. In the meantime, I look forward to hearing more perspectives on this topic.
> 
> Chris
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of michael Ausbun via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 12:31 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: michael.ausbun at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?
> 
> Hello All:
> I have been thinking about the discussion that has been taking place, and in lieu of president Webster's questions, you can find my thoughts, or at least some of them, below:
> 1. Should the Outreach Committee institute weekly discussion starters on the list?
>    I am of the opinion that this should absolutely be the case. I do not think that we should ask questions merely to ask questions-"what is your favorite animal?"-but I think that facilitating discussion weekly would be useful. There are a lot of people with a variety of circumstances prohibiting group participation, or, asking questions that may be on their minds. It's the old adage, "there are no stupid questions; ask, because someone else most certainly has the same question."
>    Further, I think these directed questions could be utilized in a way to assist our students in understanding, and engaging with, our organizational philosophy. Our philosophy and history is rich and wide reaching. Often I have found that our members do not know where to start. If provided the  first step, I believe our members will be fully capable on continuing exploration and find their place in our beautiful organization. 
> 2. How do we make the list more active, but also not too overwhelming with email traffic? 
>    This question has been on my mind for many years. I do not believe that you can have both simultaneously. As our student division  grows we will necessarily see an up in traffic. If we, the membership, are contributing thoughtfully and continuing to provide engaging questions and comments, there likely will be more contributions. My only suggestion is that people be conscious regarding the number of posts and the information provided. For example, we should all try to read the entirety of the conversation so we do not duplicate information, and try not to post back to back to back with no other responses between our posts on a given topic. 
> 3. What are ways we can better engage our members?
>    Electronically, we need to move to other social media platforms.
> People like me, isolated to Facebook and twitter, are behind the times. We are losing out on possible connections with a younger audience. Instagram, snapchat, and the like are ever popular with those born after 2000. Although there are a lot of students in their collegiate years, we must find those students in compulsory education. Those in K-12 need us, and quite frankly, we need them to. 
> I have other thoughts, but I need to reflect a little longer.
> Respectfully,
> Michael Ausbun
> Secretary/Treasurer, Louisiana Association of Blind Students Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Nevada
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of President, NABS | Kathryn Webster via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 6:22 AM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: President, NABS | Kathryn Webster <nabs.president at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?
> 
> I love this discussion! It sparks so many ideas on how we can further improve our mailing list. 
> 
> Some initial thoughts come to mind -
> 1. Should the Outreach Committee institute weekly discussion starters on the list?
> 2. How do we make the list more active, but also not too overwhelming with email traffic? 
> 3. What are ways we can better engage our members?
> 
> These are just some immediate questions I have, but I am excited to hear from all of you! Let's get our creative juices flowing!
> 
> Love,
> Kathryn
> 
> Kathryn C. Webster
> President | National Association of Blind Students
>   A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind
> (203) 273-8463
> Nabs.president at gmail.com | www.nabslink.org
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jessica Dail via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 9:14 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Jessica Dail <jldail13 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?
> 
> Hi,
> Yes, I feel the email lists are absolutely necessary for people like myself, who are not allowed on social media.
> 
> Having these lists still allows everyone to communicate and keep up with the happenings of the NFB. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Jessica
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2018, at 10:18 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> As the National Association of Blind Students reaches out to new 
>> members
> and new partners, there has been an increase in various media platforms used to connect with these new members and partners. So in the new age of media platforms, how do you see the NABS email list fitting in with these other media platforms?
>> 
>> What do you believe should be the purpose of the NABS email list now 
>> that
> we use other media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter? Do you still see a role for the NABS email list among these new media platforms? If so what do you believe the role of the NABS email list should be among these new media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter?
>> 
>> I feel as though the discussion on the NABS email list has decreased 
>> as
> other media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter have become more popular.
> So I am just curious if there is still a place for the NABS email list in the 21st century.
>> 
>> I look forward to receiving your ideas in regards to this matter.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> Elizabeth
>> _______________________________________________
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>> om
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> 
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From emitchell927 at icloud.com  Thu Aug 16 19:52:59 2018
From: emitchell927 at icloud.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 15:52:59 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?
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I agree with all this.
Emma

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 16, 2018, at 3:49 PM, Rhonda Cruz via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone. My name is Rhonda, I think email is very accessible for people that have disabilities, I am also a Facebook user. But I don't think Facebook is very accessible. For people with multiple disabilities like myself. I am in some groups, but I feel like it does not work for me since I am totally blind and I'm also hearing your beard is well. I think the email groups I am also hearing impaired, I feel the email works for me because I can do easier communication with family and friends. And also keep up with groups that I'm in Port email. I feel that it works for me for make sense ability needs.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Aug 10, 2018, at 5:57 PM, Sarah via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I don't know whether this has already been said, so I will say it. I am grateful that the email list exists, though I am also a Facebook user. I have subscribed to a number of groups on FB and found the volume so high that I have unfollowed them, assuming I will check in from time to time. I never check most of them, and I am sure that I miss valuable conversations. With an email group, I can go past unwanted threads, either deleting original emails or deleting an entire thread if I wish. So the email group is invaluable to me.
>> 
>> 
>> Rev. Sarah Blake LaRose
>> http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
>> Accessible instruction in Biblical languages
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L
>> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 4:17 PM
>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Chris Nusbaum <cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?
>> 
>> Hi Friends:
>> 
>> Elizabeth, thank you for starting this important and very timely conversation. Many of you have already said what I would have said if I hadn't come so late to the party, so I will follow Michael's advice and avoid merely echoing other people's comments after reading the entire thread. However, I would like to offer one reflection.
>> 
>> It seems that some contributors have referred to the listserv as being useful for those who are not on social media, implying that it is not as useful for those who are. Personally, I have found that the list and social media are not mutually exclusive. Rather, they are different platforms which serve different but equally legitimate purposes. For instance, I think social media can often start a series of one-sided conversations. Though people of course have the option to comment on Facebook posts or reply to tweets, it is not as easy (or as common) for many people to chime in on a conversation on social media as it is for people to do so on a listserv.
>> Since most social media users are only skimming through their feeds in their free time, they are less likely to read the entire comments section of an organization's post attentively than they are to reading a chain of email correspondence. So, in my observation, organizations tend to use social media as a way to announce what they are doing. On a personal level, I coordinated social media for NABS for two years. Because of the nature of social media, I was not able to have the conversations on those platforms that I was able to have on this list. Even so, as an active social media user and list member, I have found both to be useful in their own ways.
>> 
>> It may also be worth noting that, as many of us know, email is still the primary means of professional and organizational communication. As part of our student status, many of us are working to build a professional network which will serve us well as we move into the workforce. In my opinion, this list is a great way to find people who would be good additions to our networks, who we can then contact off-list for more detailed conversations.
>> By the same token, this list can also be considered a kind of social network, as it allows us to ask questions of each other and bounce ideas off of people who share our interests and circumstances. So, it seems to me that this list can be viewed as a marriage of the best elements of social networking and professional email correspondence.
>> 
>> When I have more time for more reflection, I'll try my hand at answering Kathryn's questions. In the meantime, I look forward to hearing more perspectives on this topic.
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of michael Ausbun via NABS-L
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 12:31 PM
>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: michael.ausbun at gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?
>> 
>> Hello All:
>> I have been thinking about the discussion that has been taking place, and in lieu of president Webster's questions, you can find my thoughts, or at least some of them, below:
>> 1. Should the Outreach Committee institute weekly discussion starters on the list?
>>   I am of the opinion that this should absolutely be the case. I do not think that we should ask questions merely to ask questions-"what is your favorite animal?"-but I think that facilitating discussion weekly would be useful. There are a lot of people with a variety of circumstances prohibiting group participation, or, asking questions that may be on their minds. It's the old adage, "there are no stupid questions; ask, because someone else most certainly has the same question."
>>   Further, I think these directed questions could be utilized in a way to assist our students in understanding, and engaging with, our organizational philosophy. Our philosophy and history is rich and wide reaching. Often I have found that our members do not know where to start. If provided the  first step, I believe our members will be fully capable on continuing exploration and find their place in our beautiful organization. 
>> 2. How do we make the list more active, but also not too overwhelming with email traffic? 
>>   This question has been on my mind for many years. I do not believe that you can have both simultaneously. As our student division  grows we will necessarily see an up in traffic. If we, the membership, are contributing thoughtfully and continuing to provide engaging questions and comments, there likely will be more contributions. My only suggestion is that people be conscious regarding the number of posts and the information provided. For example, we should all try to read the entirety of the conversation so we do not duplicate information, and try not to post back to back to back with no other responses between our posts on a given topic. 
>> 3. What are ways we can better engage our members?
>>   Electronically, we need to move to other social media platforms.
>> People like me, isolated to Facebook and twitter, are behind the times. We are losing out on possible connections with a younger audience. Instagram, snapchat, and the like are ever popular with those born after 2000. Although there are a lot of students in their collegiate years, we must find those students in compulsory education. Those in K-12 need us, and quite frankly, we need them to. 
>> I have other thoughts, but I need to reflect a little longer.
>> Respectfully,
>> Michael Ausbun
>> Secretary/Treasurer, Louisiana Association of Blind Students Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Nevada
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of President, NABS | Kathryn Webster via NABS-L
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 6:22 AM
>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: President, NABS | Kathryn Webster <nabs.president at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?
>> 
>> I love this discussion! It sparks so many ideas on how we can further improve our mailing list. 
>> 
>> Some initial thoughts come to mind -
>> 1. Should the Outreach Committee institute weekly discussion starters on the list?
>> 2. How do we make the list more active, but also not too overwhelming with email traffic? 
>> 3. What are ways we can better engage our members?
>> 
>> These are just some immediate questions I have, but I am excited to hear from all of you! Let's get our creative juices flowing!
>> 
>> Love,
>> Kathryn
>> 
>> Kathryn C. Webster
>> President | National Association of Blind Students
>>  A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind
>> (203) 273-8463
>> Nabs.president at gmail.com | www.nabslink.org
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jessica Dail via NABS-L
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 9:14 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Jessica Dail <jldail13 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Yes, I feel the email lists are absolutely necessary for people like myself, who are not allowed on social media.
>> 
>> Having these lists still allows everyone to communicate and keep up with the happenings of the NFB. 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Jessica
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Aug 6, 2018, at 10:18 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> As the National Association of Blind Students reaches out to new 
>>> members
>> and new partners, there has been an increase in various media platforms used to connect with these new members and partners. So in the new age of media platforms, how do you see the NABS email list fitting in with these other media platforms?
>>> 
>>> What do you believe should be the purpose of the NABS email list now 
>>> that
>> we use other media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter? Do you still see a role for the NABS email list among these new media platforms? If so what do you believe the role of the NABS email list should be among these new media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter?
>>> 
>>> I feel as though the discussion on the NABS email list has decreased 
>>> as
>> other media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter have become more popular.
>> So I am just curious if there is still a place for the NABS email list in the 21st century.
>>> 
>>> I look forward to receiving your ideas in regards to this matter.
>>> 
>>> Warm regards,
>>> Elizabeth
>>> _______________________________________________
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>> 
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>> 
>> 
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>> om
>> 
>> 
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Thu Aug 16 21:05:23 2018
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 11:05:23 -1000
Subject: [NABS-L] Accessibility of Goodreads
Message-ID: <5b75e736.1c69fb81.9be39.117b@mx.google.com>

Hi All,

I was wondering if any fellow readers have used Goodreads (either 
the site or the app) to write reviews.
I really like reading peoples' reviews (which you don't need an 
account for), and when I tried creating an account a few years 
ago I'd found it pretty inaccessible.  Anyone succesfully written 
reviews on there?
Thanks,
Vejas Vasiliauskas
Secretary and Treasurer of the California Association of Blind 
Students
Phone: (310) 265-3949
Email: alpineimagination at gmail.com


From misokwak12 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 16 21:07:51 2018
From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 17:07:51 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Accessibility of Goodreads
In-Reply-To: <5b75e736.1c69fb81.9be39.117b@mx.google.com>
References: <5b75e736.1c69fb81.9be39.117b@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAMe9x_E1HnYs0buj2wJu1H7+GiYoaNcE685bNEuCntmr=i3H1A@mail.gmail.com>

I think the app is pretty good lately.
I have read and written reviews in the last few months.
Miso

On 8/16/18, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I was wondering if any fellow readers have used Goodreads (either
> the site or the app) to write reviews.
> I really like reading peoples' reviews (which you don't need an
> account for), and when I tried creating an account a few years
> ago I'd found it pretty inaccessible.  Anyone succesfully written
> reviews on there?
> Thanks,
> Vejas Vasiliauskas
> Secretary and Treasurer of the California Association of Blind
> Students
> Phone: (310) 265-3949
> Email: alpineimagination at gmail.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NABS-L:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/misokwak12%40gmail.com
>


From inscriptioelectronicaaustralia at gmail.com  Fri Aug 17 06:27:39 2018
From: inscriptioelectronicaaustralia at gmail.com (Roger Newell)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 16:27:39 +1000
Subject: [NABS-L] Accessibility of Goodreads
In-Reply-To: <5b75e736.1c69fb81.9be39.117b@mx.google.com>
References: <5b75e736.1c69fb81.9be39.117b@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAE7Xp2n5KV8=QzWwYW1b-FbnomNOGoGKuO0BqJAhd87w0E-gRg@mail.gmail.com>

Both the website and app have accessibility and usability issues, but
if you are determined to use the service, you can--it just won't be
straightforward.

On 8/17/18, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I was wondering if any fellow readers have used Goodreads (either
> the site or the app) to write reviews.
> I really like reading peoples' reviews (which you don't need an
> account for), and when I tried creating an account a few years
> ago I'd found it pretty inaccessible.  Anyone succesfully written
> reviews on there?
> Thanks,
> Vejas Vasiliauskas
> Secretary and Treasurer of the California Association of Blind
> Students
> Phone: (310) 265-3949
> Email: alpineimagination at gmail.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NABS-L:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/inscriptioelectronicaaustralia%40gmail.com
>


From elizabeth.rouse14 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 17 16:44:09 2018
From: elizabeth.rouse14 at gmail.com (elizabeth.rouse14 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 11:44:09 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Iowa call this Sunday!
Message-ID: <1F3998FE-4D8D-4217-9A24-48EE96D5B3A4@gmail.com>

Greetings all!
Final reminder that the Iowa Association of blind students Monthly call featuring information about the Louisiana Center for the blind is this Sunday at 7 PM central standard time!
Call-in information is below. Hope to hear many of your voices!
605-475-4120
Access code 7972692
Elizabeth Rouse

From mausam.mehta.nfb at gmail.com  Fri Aug 17 20:20:03 2018
From: mausam.mehta.nfb at gmail.com (Mausam Mehta)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 16:20:03 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Nabs Nibbles: feedback from our membership
Message-ID: <4226BDCC-145D-401F-AD39-6531BC86D2C3@gmail.com>

Hi students!
Introducing ......
Wait for it ......
NABS Nibbles!!!
This is a new project we are working on to ensure that we are incorporating your feedback into everything we do. We want to make sure that we are doing our absolute best to serve you and  be sure you have access to all the resources you need through nABS. As our membership, your feedback is super important to us, in whatever form it may be.
We would really appreciate it if you took a minute to fill out this quick survey, giving us your feedback and commentary about how we are doing and what you need from us. None of the questions are required, and all of your feedback is anonymous. You can find the link below:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfB9uUembR_VkTtJDELmH66yrLjw297r2tvpVa7sAuGSMf-Rw/viewform

Feel free to contact me if you have any questions.
Best,

Mausam Mehta
Board member | National Association of blind students
A proud division of the National Federation of the blind
(540) 466-6033
mausam.mehta.nfb at gmail.com
|
www.nabslink.org

From jameyanne at gmail.com  Fri Aug 17 22:39:22 2018
From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 18:39:22 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Accessibility of Goodreads
In-Reply-To: <CAE7Xp2n5KV8=QzWwYW1b-FbnomNOGoGKuO0BqJAhd87w0E-gRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5b75e736.1c69fb81.9be39.117b@mx.google.com>
	<CAE7Xp2n5KV8=QzWwYW1b-FbnomNOGoGKuO0BqJAhd87w0E-gRg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005501d4367b$257f3d00$707db700$@gmail.com>

I haven't had any problems with the app. I haven't used the website in
forever though so can't speak to that.


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Roger Newell via
NABS-L
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:28 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Roger Newell <inscriptioelectronicaaustralia at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Accessibility of Goodreads

Both the website and app have accessibility and usability issues, but if you
are determined to use the service, you can--it just won't be
straightforward.

On 8/17/18, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I was wondering if any fellow readers have used Goodreads (either the 
> site or the app) to write reviews.
> I really like reading peoples' reviews (which you don't need an 
> account for), and when I tried creating an account a few years ago I'd 
> found it pretty inaccessible.  Anyone succesfully written reviews on 
> there?
> Thanks,
> Vejas Vasiliauskas
> Secretary and Treasurer of the California Association of Blind 
> Students
> Phone: (310) 265-3949
> Email: alpineimagination at gmail.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NABS-L:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/inscriptioelectron
> icaaustralia%40gmail.com
>

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From cricketbidleman at gmail.com  Sat Aug 18 01:38:00 2018
From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket X. Bidleman)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 18:38:00 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] Bay Area reception
Message-ID: <CABP7S8MKwMMuACxQBLOULAuMbmxj2bk8GH4XaApt48WjKKpETA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello NABS!

Today is the 17th of August... Know what that means? That's right!
There are just three days until the RSVP deadline for our first ever
annual Bay Area reception, to be held in San Francisco. See event
details here! Bring yourself and some friends--we are so excited to be
hosting this event for you! Don't forget to RSVP for food--we don't
want anyone starving.

https://m.facebook.com/events/647620335612037?acontext=%7B%22ref%22%3A%2298%22%2C%22action_history%22%3A%22null%22%7D&aref=98&__tn__=H#

Best,
Cricket X. Bidleman (she/her/hers)
Stanford University | Class of 2021


From kenia.flores at furman.edu  Sun Aug 19 02:06:31 2018
From: kenia.flores at furman.edu (Kenia Flores-Student)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 02:06:31 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] Reminder: Legislative Advocacy Committee Call tomorrow at
 8pm EST
Message-ID: <DM2PR0401MB0975F2BAE50E156424A7E06FE4330@DM2PR0401MB0975.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Good evening fellow students,

This is a friendly reminder-the legislative advocacy committee will be holding its monthly conference call tomorrow at 8:00pm eastern. The call-in number is 712-770-5197, and the access code is 265669. We are eager to have you join us and look forward to speaking with you tomorrow evening!

Best,
Kenia


Kenia Flores
Furman University '20
Department of Politics and International Affairs
2nd Vice President | National Association of Blind Students
Chair | National Association of Blind Students Legislative Advocacy Committee
President | North Carolina Association of Blind Students
704.476.6629
Kenia.flores at furman.edu


From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Aug 19 03:40:07 2018
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 22:40:07 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Fwd: Indian Braille Translator
Message-ID: <auto-000109043301@mailfront2.g2host.com>


>From: "Abhinav Dev" <abhinavdev6 at gmail.com>
>To: "Abhinav Dev" <abhinavdev6 at gmail.com>
>Subject: Indian Braille Translator
>Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 08:50:07 +0530



>Hello,
>We are pleased to inform you that the release of 'Indian Braille 
>Translator' software.
>
>The software supports translation of Indian languages to Braille. 
>It's main features are:
>
>a)    Compatible with Braille Embosser & Braille Display
>The software is compatible with Index Braille Embossers. File 
>translated can be sent for printing to an Index Embosser directly 
>from the software.
>
>The translated file can be saved in BRF format and then transferred 
>to a Braille display for reading in Braille.
>
>b)    File formats
>Supports opening of txt, doc, docx, rtf & brf formatted files. The 
>translated file can be saved in BRF format
>
>c)    Page formatting
>Set the page formatting as per characters per line, lines per page & 
>page numbering.
>
>d)    Language Support
>The software supports translation of Hindi, English, Marathi, 
>Sanskrit, Gujarati, Urdu, Oriya, Tamil, Assamese, Bengali, Telugu & Kannada.
>
>Punjabi & Malayalam will be available in the next version which will 
>be released in September.
>
>e)    Editing & Six Key entry
>The software supports editing of Braille files and six key entry 
>system by which you directly type in Braille.
>
>f)     Updates
>All the future updates of the software are free of cost
>
>The next version will have support for Hindi reverse. You can open 
>your Hindi Braille file and convert it into print format which can 
>be used for listening via screen reader or taking print out.
>
>The next version after that will have support for Malayalam & Punjabi.
>
>g)    Buy Once, Use for Lifetime
>The software is activated via internet. It also has deactivation 
>feature. You can de-activate your PC and activate on another PC any 
>time you want.
>
>h)    Local Support
>The software has been developed in India and if there is any issue 
>your problem will be resolved
>
>
>The price of the software is Rs. 13,000/- for single user license.
>
>Please let us know if anyone wishes to procure the software.
>
>In case of any query, information or clarification required please 
>let us know.
>With regards,
>
>Abhinav
>
>
>_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
>Sparsh Products
>119 Bhagirathi Puram, Opp. Lane no. 8,
>Jakhan, Rajpur Road,
>Dehradun 248001, India
>Mobile/Whatsapp : 91-9837088334
>Email: <mailto:info at sparshproducts.com>info at sparshproducts.com
><mailto:sparshproducts at gmail.com>sparshproducts at gmail.com
><http://www.sparshproducts.com/>www.sparshproducts.com
>www.sparshbraille.com
>
>

From matthewhgip at gmail.com  Sun Aug 19 16:23:22 2018
From: matthewhgip at gmail.com (Matthew Gip)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 09:23:22 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] NABS August Blog Post
Message-ID: <A54B7F52-A637-4098-BAE9-6BC9E32587DD@gmail.com>

Hey NABSters,

Happy Sunday to all of you. Please spare a moment and read our August blog post. This month, we are focusing on the topic of relationships and this month’s blog was written by Anya Fuller. Anya served as president of the Kansas Association of Blind Students and now works as a English Language Learning (ELL) Program instructor over at BLIND, Inc. Anya is also happily married to her dear husband. Here is her blog below! 

Note: The blog will be in the content of this email, as well as a Word document attached for your convenience. 

A disclaimer: Though I was asked to contribute to this blog, I’m no relationship expert.  But I can offer some insights, derived from my own experiences and those of others that I have observed over the years, and perhaps those who read this will find them helpful.

Whether blind or sighted, we all crave companionship and love that we hope will make our lives more meaningful and exciting. Every so often, I see posts from my blind friends on social media expressing how lonely they feel and how much they wish for a romantic partner and true love.  Is it harder for a blind person to find a soulmate than it is for someone who is sighted?  I’d say yes!  Especially if one decides to expand his/her horizons and look for a partner outside of his/her community.

Many people do not see individuals with disabilities as prospective romantic partners with whom they can create a family and raise children.  A lot of social stigma is attached to blindness and the white cane.  When it comes to romantic relationships, people by in large seem unable or unwilling to look passed the outer trappings. I’ve experienced it one too many times.  A blind woman meets someone whom she finds to be charismatic and attractive, but after a while, she realizes that he does not view her in a romantic way, merely because of her disability.  She can be admired for her looks, intelligence, and praised for her independent capabilities, but the guy bails out at the last minute because he is afraid of making a serious, long-term  commitment to be with a blind person.  Experiences like this can shake one’s confidence and make them question their self-worth.

I’ve witnessed a number of situations when, after experiencing rejection based on their blindness, people either lose their hope and get depressed, or narrow their search for a life companion exclusively to their circle of communication where they feel more accepted.  I  do not recommend this approach because it means you impose limits upon yourself and the dating pool becomes much more restricted.

My advice to everyone is not to let your negative experiences ruin your self-perception and stop you from  looking for a desirable partner.  Rather, it may be worthwhile to rediscover new and fulfilling ways to better yourself, reenergize,  and embark on a new romantic quest.  There are many happy stories in which blind people find a life companion who accepts them for who they are, and there is no reason you couldn’t meet one yourself.  I’m a firm believer that if something has been done by someone, it can be done again.  Confidence is the key!  If you accept and like who you are, people feel genuinely attracted to you.  If you do not like who you are, change it.  In other words, if you feel like a queen, act like a queen, you’ll become a queen and a prince on a white horse will appear in your life soon and throw his kingdom at your feet.  The great thing about it is that you have the power to be whoever you choose to be.


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Respectfully, 
Matthew Gip
President | California Association of Blind Students 
A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind of California 
Co-chair | National Association of Blind Students Outreach Committee 
Phone: (559) 375-2068
Email: matthewhgip at gmail.com
Live The Life You Want! 

From kenia.flores at furman.edu  Mon Aug 20 01:32:52 2018
From: kenia.flores at furman.edu (Kenia Flores-Student)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 01:32:52 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] Thank you from the Legislative Advocacy Committee
Message-ID: <DM2PR0401MB09756D7BD47D7B785D44CDACE4320@DM2PR0401MB0975.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Good evening fellow students,

The legislative advocacy committee would like to sincerely thank everyone who joined us on the committee call tonight. We appreciate your enthusiasm and eagerness to contribute to our efforts. If you were unable to make it, we look forward to having you join us on September 16 at 8:00pm eastern.

Best,
Kenia Flores, Rilee Sloan, and Justin Salisbury

Kenia Flores
Furman University '20
Department of Politics and International Affairs
2nd Vice President | National Association of Blind Students
Chair | National Association of Blind Students Legislative Advocacy Committee
President | North Carolina Association of Blind Students
704.476.6629
Kenia.flores at furman.edu


From jldail13 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 20 01:50:23 2018
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 21:50:23 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Thank you from the Legislative Advocacy Committee
In-Reply-To: <DM2PR0401MB09756D7BD47D7B785D44CDACE4320@DM2PR0401MB0975.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
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Hi,
My name is Jessica.
I'm currently a student of  Hadley institute for the blind and visually impaired.
I reached out to you, via text-message, because I hope to go to college one day, and thought we could exchange tips.
You may reach me at 8107301861.

Thanks,
Jessica


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> On Aug 19, 2018, at 9:32 PM, Kenia Flores-Student via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good evening fellow students,
> 
> The legislative advocacy committee would like to sincerely thank everyone who joined us on the committee call tonight. We appreciate your enthusiasm and eagerness to contribute to our efforts. If you were unable to make it, we look forward to having you join us on September 16 at 8:00pm eastern.
> 
> Best,
> Kenia Flores, Rilee Sloan, and Justin Salisbury
> 
> Kenia Flores
> Furman University '20
> Department of Politics and International Affairs
> 2nd Vice President | National Association of Blind Students
> Chair | National Association of Blind Students Legislative Advocacy Committee
> President | North Carolina Association of Blind Students
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From kenia.flores at furman.edu  Mon Aug 20 02:08:41 2018
From: kenia.flores at furman.edu (Kenia Flores-Student)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 02:08:41 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] Thank you from the Legislative Advocacy Committee
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Hello Jessica,


Thank you for messaging me. I will reach out to you off list.

Best,
Kenia

Kenia Flores
Furman University '20
Department of Politics and International Affairs
2nd Vice President | National Association of Blind Students
Chair | National Association of Blind Students Legislative Advocacy Committee
704.476.6629
kenia.flores at furman.edu<mailto:kenia.flores at furman.edu>

On Aug 19, 2018, at 9:52 PM, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

Hi,
My name is Jessica.
I'm currently a student of  Hadley institute for the blind and visually impaired.
I reached out to you, via text-message, because I hope to go to college one day, and thought we could exchange tips.
You may reach me at 8107301861.

Thanks,
Jessica


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 19, 2018, at 9:32 PM, Kenia Flores-Student via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

Good evening fellow students,

The legislative advocacy committee would like to sincerely thank everyone who joined us on the committee call tonight. We appreciate your enthusiasm and eagerness to contribute to our efforts. If you were unable to make it, we look forward to having you join us on September 16 at 8:00pm eastern.

Best,
Kenia Flores, Rilee Sloan, and Justin Salisbury

Kenia Flores
Furman University '20
Department of Politics and International Affairs
2nd Vice President | National Association of Blind Students
Chair | National Association of Blind Students Legislative Advocacy Committee
President | North Carolina Association of Blind Students
704.476.6629
Kenia.flores at furman.edu<mailto:Kenia.flores at furman.edu>

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From misokwak12 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 20 04:36:16 2018
From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 00:36:16 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Accessibility of Stata
Message-ID: <CAMe9x_FCkxVLvuZoQPic223=OibY6G4W7W0Eh_fZ7hJDmyjktQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello NABS,

Has anyone here used the statistical analysis software called Stata in
their statistics course with JAWS?
If so, could you share how accessible or inaccessible it was, and how
easy or difficult it was to learn the software?

Thank you in advance.

Miso Kwak


From sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com  Mon Aug 20 04:50:46 2018
From: sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 00:50:46 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Accessibility of Stata
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Hi Miso,
I've used it and find it accessible-ish. You will need to use it as a command-line application and read its output in a plain-text log file. I'll send specifics ASAP. Short answer is that it is useable but not the most user-friendly. But if that's what's recommended by a course instructor, you can get by.
Sorry to be wishy-washy, but I'll be in touch again this week with details.
Sarah


On Aug 20, 2018, at 12:36 AM, Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

Hello NABS,

Has anyone here used the statistical analysis software called Stata in
their statistics course with JAWS?
If so, could you share how accessible or inaccessible it was, and how
easy or difficult it was to learn the software?

Thank you in advance.

Miso Kwak

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From sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com  Mon Aug 20 13:11:39 2018
From: sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 09:11:39 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Braille Products
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Hi there,
I appreciate this is late (sorry!) but I just saw a Braille Pen 12 over the
weekend and it looks adorable and functional. Its website is
http://braillepen.com/braillepens/
HTH,
Sarah

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Subject: [NABS-L] Braille Products

Hello NABSters!

I have a Focus 40 Blue 5th Generation, and I lvoe it.  It does take up a lot
of space while traveling, so I was consideirng a smaller dispay for
traveling.  What would everyone recommend?  Focus 14? Braillinat BI 14? HIMS
Smart Beetle?  Others?

Also, between the BrailleNote Touch and BrailleSense Ploaris, which
notetaker is better?  Is a notetaker even worth the price?

Thank you,
Jonathan

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From ahbeeorton at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 20 16:34:40 2018
From: ahbeeorton at yahoo.com (Ahbee Orton)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 11:34:40 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] College Fair tomorrow
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Dear All, 

  I am attending a college fair for seniors in high school tomorrow. Do yall have any particular questions or suggestions of questions I should ask the colleges, espeially as it relates to blind people but any are welcome? Thank you. 

Blessings, 
Ahbee 

“Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”
1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV


From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Mon Aug 20 16:45:49 2018
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 12:45:49 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Pdf articles as an image
Message-ID: <C06F75E3-A598-4E52-9AF9-666A250B7D94@gmail.com>

Hello,
I have pdf articles as an image every week for one of my classes. What is the quickest way to read them.
The disability office is being super slow to convert them in to a word document.
Thanks,

Shikha Desai
Bachelor of Social Work
Georgia State University  

From tyler at tysdomain.com  Mon Aug 20 16:55:24 2018
From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 12:55:24 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Pdf articles as an image
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Hello,
Try running them through Robobraille (http://robobraille.org).
HTH,

On 8/20/2018 12:45 PM, Shikha via NABS-L wrote:
> Hello,
> I have pdf articles as an image every week for one of my classes. What is the quickest way to read them.
> The disability office is being super slow to convert them in to a word document.
> Thanks,
>
> Shikha Desai
> Bachelor of Social Work
> Georgia State University  
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From hn.nopbc at gmail.com  Mon Aug 20 17:00:52 2018
From: hn.nopbc at gmail.com (Himanshu Neema)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 12:00:52 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Pdf articles as an image
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Shikha,

Have you tried printing it and reading it through either a “KNFB reader” smartphone App or the “SeeingAI” smartphone App yet? Of course, you can call a volunteer via the “Be My Eyes” smartphone App.. Those things might be the quickest, and if you have time, Robobraille also does OCR (optical character recognition) and extracting text out of it.

Himanshu



On Aug 20, 2018, at 11:55 AM, Littlefield, Tyler via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:


Hello,
Try running them through Robobraille (http://robobraille.org).
HTH,

> On 8/20/2018 12:45 PM, Shikha via NABS-L wrote:
> Hello,
> I have pdf articles as an image every week for one of my classes. What is the quickest way to read them.
> The disability office is being super slow to convert them in to a word document.
> Thanks,
> 
> Shikha Desai
> Bachelor of Social Work
> Georgia State University  
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From eschlenker at cox.net  Mon Aug 20 17:03:02 2018
From: eschlenker at cox.net (Emily Schlenker)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 12:03:02 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Pdf articles as an image
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Hi. I am very sorry that you’re having to go through this, it is completely unnecessary for articles to be posted this way and for the disability office to be this slow. What I would suggest, even though it is definitely not ideal, is to utilize windows OCR that is built into windows 10. I’m not sure it will work, because I have not had to mess with one of these types of documents in a few months, but when you open the PDF hit insert are. You should hear your screen reader say recognizing and then it should read for you. Just so you know, it is wrong for your instructor to be utilizing this type of PDF formatting. It is really no problem to post properly tagged PDF documents which can be read by screen readers. Unfortunately, most faculty is not aware of this, and most universities are not offering the proper training. May I ask what college or university you are studying at?
 The very best of luck to you.

Emily Schlenker

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> On Aug 20, 2018, at 11:45 AM, Shikha via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I have pdf articles as an image every week for one of my classes. What is the quickest way to read them.
> The disability office is being super slow to convert them in to a word document.
> Thanks,
> 
> Shikha Desai
> Bachelor of Social Work
> Georgia State University  
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From cricketbidleman at gmail.com  Mon Aug 20 17:03:29 2018
From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket X. Bidleman)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 10:03:29 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] Pdf articles as an image
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Hi!

Excellent question... The quickest way to get those in a legible
format is to zap them through an optical character recognition
software. If you use JAWS, there's a built-in feature. You can press
your JAWS key with the space bar simultaneously. On most laptops
that'll be either caps lock or insert. Follow this by pressing O for
OCR. If you want something that's perhaps a little more reliable, I
would recommend a program that's external of a screen reader. I use
OpenBook on my laptop, and that works really well. Of you can use a
variety of apps from the app store. I use KNFB reader on both my
notetaker and my phone. That's my recommendation. Hope this helps!

Best,
Cricket X. Bidleman (she/her/hers)
Stanford University | Class of 2021

On 8/20/18, Shikha via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello,
> I have pdf articles as an image every week for one of my classes. What is
> the quickest way to read them.
> The disability office is being super slow to convert them in to a word
> document.
> Thanks,
>
> Shikha Desai
> Bachelor of Social Work
> Georgia State University
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From mauraloberg at gmail.com  Mon Aug 20 17:29:54 2018
From: mauraloberg at gmail.com (Maura Loberg)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 12:29:54 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] College Fair tomorrow
Message-ID: <5b7afa99.1c69fb81.8dd63.68f8@mx.google.com>

Hey Ahbee!
Make sure you ask about the robustness of its Disability Services, at least as a first step. Have a great time!

On Aug 20, 2018 11:34 AM, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
>   I am attending a college fair for seniors in high school tomorrow. Do yall have any particular questions or suggestions of questions I should ask the colleges, espeially as it relates to blind people but any are welcome? Thank you.
>
> Blessings, 
> Ahbee
>
> “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”
> 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV
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From mausam.mehta.nfb at gmail.com  Mon Aug 20 17:32:59 2018
From: mausam.mehta.nfb at gmail.com (Mausam Mehta)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 13:32:59 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Pdf articles as an image
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Hi Shikha,
All of the recommendations given so far are great. I might also suggest the Kurzweil scanning software. It's a pretty penny, but it does a thorough job scanning and extracting text from PDF documents. You may be able to justify its purchase through your rehab agency.
Beste,


Mausam Mehta
Board member | National Association of blind students
A proud division of the National Federation of the blind
(540) 466-6033
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> On Aug 20, 2018, at 1:03 PM, Cricket X. Bidleman via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> Excellent question... The quickest way to get those in a legible
> format is to zap them through an optical character recognition
> software. If you use JAWS, there's a built-in feature. You can press
> your JAWS key with the space bar simultaneously. On most laptops
> that'll be either caps lock or insert. Follow this by pressing O for
> OCR. If you want something that's perhaps a little more reliable, I
> would recommend a program that's external of a screen reader. I use
> OpenBook on my laptop, and that works really well. Of you can use a
> variety of apps from the app store. I use KNFB reader on both my
> notetaker and my phone. That's my recommendation. Hope this helps!
> 
> Best,
> Cricket X. Bidleman (she/her/hers)
> Stanford University | Class of 2021
> 
>> On 8/20/18, Shikha via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I have pdf articles as an image every week for one of my classes. What is
>> the quickest way to read them.
>> The disability office is being super slow to convert them in to a word
>> document.
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Shikha Desai
>> Bachelor of Social Work
>> Georgia State University
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 20 19:57:22 2018
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 15:57:22 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Pdf articles as an image
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Try the freedom import printer with openbook.

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Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Pdf articles as an image

Shikha,

Have you tried printing it and reading it through either a “KNFB reader” smartphone App or the “SeeingAI” smartphone App yet? Of course, you can call a volunteer via the “Be My Eyes” smartphone App.. Those things might be the quickest, and if you have time, Robobraille also does OCR (optical character recognition) and extracting text out of it.

Himanshu



On Aug 20, 2018, at 11:55 AM, Littlefield, Tyler via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:


Hello,
Try running them through Robobraille (http://robobraille.org).
HTH,

> On 8/20/2018 12:45 PM, Shikha via NABS-L wrote:
> Hello,
> I have pdf articles as an image every week for one of my classes. What is the quickest way to read them.
> The disability office is being super slow to convert them in to a word document.
> Thanks,
> 
> Shikha Desai
> Bachelor of Social Work
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From sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com  Mon Aug 20 20:54:07 2018
From: sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 16:54:07 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Showing Math Work in College
In-Reply-To: <B000518A-62AA-4277-9A7A-FF34709D446F@gmail.com>
References: <B000518A-62AA-4277-9A7A-FF34709D446F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5b7b2a6f.1c69fb81.850e7.1aec@mx.google.com>

Hi there,
This is so exciting! Good luck!

The Braille Note Touch has a means to write Nemeth code or UEB math and have
them translate into Braille. Here's a demo video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD4pmKYX8gU&feature=youtu.be

LaTeX is a good markup language to learn, but it is a bit of a challenge in
the beginning. Try reading "Practical LaTeX" by  George Grätzer (available
on Bookshare) as a start, and download TeXnicCenter as your compiler (it's
free).

HTH,
Sarah


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Cc: Emmanuelle Lo
Subject: [NABS-L] Showing Math Work in College

Hi all,

I'm going to be a freshman in college this fall and I will be in an intro
level economics class that will require me to show math work. How should I
go about doing this? I have a Braille Note Touch. I've also read about
Mathtype on the math mailing list, but I have no idea how it works. Do you
have to know a coding language to be able to produce equations in Mathtype?
Would I be better off just using a scribe for now, since this is new
territory for me? 

Thanks, and have a great start to your fall semester!

Emmie Lo, Davidson College class of 2022
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 20 22:16:09 2018
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 18:16:09 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Pdf articles as an image
Message-ID: <5b7b3de1.1c69fb81.79ed.37fe@mx.google.com>

Hi=20Emily,=20It's=20actually=20not=20so=20simple.=20=20Most=20of=20the=20t=
ime=20when=20an=20
instructor=20posts=20an=20image=20PDF,=20that=20was=20the=20way=20the=20art=
icle=20was=20
available=20to=20them=20through=20the=20library=20or=20that's=20what=20thei=
r=20
scanner=20(often=20used=20by=20a=20random=20student=20research=20assistant=
=20
produced).=20=20It=20isn't=20any=20easier=20for=20the=20instructor=20to=20c=
onvert=20
such=20a=20document=20than=20it=20is=20for=20us=20blind=20students=20to=20d=
o=20so.

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Emily=20Schlenker=20via=20NABS-L=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Mon,=2020=20Aug=202018=2012:03:02=20-0500
Subject:=20Re:=20[NABS-L]=20Pdf=20articles=20as=20an=20image

Hi.=20I=20am=20very=20sorry=20that=20you=E2=80=99re=20having=20to=20go=20th=
rough=20this,=20it=20
is=20completely=20unnecessary=20for=20articles=20to=20be=20posted=20this=20=
way=20and=20
for=20the=20disability=20office=20to=20be=20this=20slow.=20What=20I=20would=
=20suggest,=20
even=20though=20it=20is=20definitely=20not=20ideal,=20is=20to=20utilize=20w=
indows=20OCR=20
that=20is=20built=20into=20windows=2010.=20I=E2=80=99m=20not=20sure=20it=20=
will=20work,=20
because=20I=20have=20not=20had=20to=20mess=20with=20one=20of=20these=20type=
s=20of=20
documents=20in=20a=20few=20months,=20but=20when=20you=20open=20the=20PDF=20=
hit=20insert=20
are.=20You=20should=20hear=20your=20screen=20reader=20say=20recognizing=20a=
nd=20then=20
it=20should=20read=20for=20you.=20Just=20so=20you=20know,=20it=20is=20wrong=
=20for=20your=20
instructor=20to=20be=20utilizing=20this=20type=20of=20PDF=20formatting.=20I=
t=20is=20
really=20no=20problem=20to=20post=20properly=20tagged=20PDF=20documents=20w=
hich=20can=20
be=20read=20by=20screen=20readers.=20Unfortunately,=20most=20faculty=20is=20=
not=20
aware=20of=20this,=20and=20most=20universities=20are=20not=20offering=20the=
=20proper=20
training.=20May=20I=20ask=20what=20college=20or=20university=20you=20are=20=
studying=20
at?
=20The=20very=20best=20of=20luck=20to=20you.

Emily=20Schlenker

Sent=20from=20my=20iPhone

=20On=20Aug=2020,=202018,=20at=2011:45=20AM,=20Shikha=20via=20NABS-L=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:

=20Hello,
=20I=20have=20pdf=20articles=20as=20an=20image=20every=20week=20for=20one=20=
of=20my=20
classes.=20What=20is=20the=20quickest=20way=20to=20read=20them.
=20The=20disability=20office=20is=20being=20super=20slow=20to=20convert=20t=
hem=20in=20to=20
a=20word=20document.
=20Thanks,

=20Shikha=20Desai
=20Bachelor=20of=20Social=20Work
=20Georgia=20State=20University
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From eschlenker at cox.net  Mon Aug 20 22:26:23 2018
From: eschlenker at cox.net (Emily Schlenker)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 17:26:23 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Pdf articles as an image
In-Reply-To: <RaJE1y00Y2qgo5R01aJFKe>
References: <RaJE1y00Y2qgo5R01aJFKe>
Message-ID: <E3EFF128-B09E-402E-9A3C-FDDBA64B5F4E@cox.net>

Actually, I work in the media resource center at my university and spend a great deal of time talking to people whose job it is to make these things accessible and train the professors how to either do so or find other material. I never said it was easy, I just said it was not necessary to have an inaccessible version of most articles and that people can and should be trained to do better. Apologism and accessibility are often not compatible.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 20, 2018, at 5:16 PM, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Emily, It's actually not so simple.  Most of the time when an instructor posts an image PDF, that was the way the article was available to them through the library or that's what their scanner (often used by a random student research assistant produced).  It isn't any easier for the instructor to convert such a document than it is for us blind students to do so.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Emily Schlenker via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 12:03:02 -0500
> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Pdf articles as an image
> 
> Hi. I am very sorry that you’re having to go through this, it is completely unnecessary for articles to be posted this way and for the disability office to be this slow. What I would suggest, even though it is definitely not ideal, is to utilize windows OCR that is built into windows 10. I’m not sure it will work, because I have not had to mess with one of these types of documents in a few months, but when you open the PDF hit insert are. You should hear your screen reader say recognizing and then it should read for you. Just so you know, it is wrong for your instructor to be utilizing this type of PDF formatting. It is really no problem to post properly tagged PDF documents which can be read by screen readers. Unfortunately, most faculty is not aware of this, and most universities are not offering the proper training. May I ask what college or university you are studying at?
> The very best of luck to you.
> 
> Emily Schlenker
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 20, 2018, at 11:45 AM, Shikha via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I have pdf articles as an image every week for one of my classes. What is the quickest way to read them.
> The disability office is being super slow to convert them in to a word document.
> Thanks,
> 
> Shikha Desai
> Bachelor of Social Work
> Georgia State University
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From tyler at tysdomain.com  Mon Aug 20 23:15:39 2018
From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 19:15:39 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Pdf articles as an image
In-Reply-To: <E3EFF128-B09E-402E-9A3C-FDDBA64B5F4E@cox.net>
References: <RaJE1y00Y2qgo5R01aJFKe>
	<E3EFF128-B09E-402E-9A3C-FDDBA64B5F4E@cox.net>
Message-ID: <f36a3083-8ea6-3146-e91f-b681de5b4689@tysdomain.com>

If I could plus one this post, I would. It not being easy is always the
excuse I was handed when things failed or couldn't be worked out. I
don't care how easy or otherwise it is, if I can't have the same access
and I'm paying the same tuition, we need to talk about it. Backing down
because this is hard and finding reasons why the OP shouldn't have this
access is the problem here.
On 8/20/2018 6:26 PM, Emily Schlenker via NABS-L wrote:
> Actually, I work in the media resource center at my university and spend a great deal of time talking to people whose job it is to make these things accessible and train the professors how to either do so or find other material. I never said it was easy, I just said it was not necessary to have an inaccessible version of most articles and that people can and should be trained to do better. Apologism and accessibility are often not compatible.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 20, 2018, at 5:16 PM, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Emily, It's actually not so simple.  Most of the time when an instructor posts an image PDF, that was the way the article was available to them through the library or that's what their scanner (often used by a random student research assistant produced).  It isn't any easier for the instructor to convert such a document than it is for us blind students to do so.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Emily Schlenker via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 12:03:02 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Pdf articles as an image
>>
>> Hi. I am very sorry that you’re having to go through this, it is completely unnecessary for articles to be posted this way and for the disability office to be this slow. What I would suggest, even though it is definitely not ideal, is to utilize windows OCR that is built into windows 10. I’m not sure it will work, because I have not had to mess with one of these types of documents in a few months, but when you open the PDF hit insert are. You should hear your screen reader say recognizing and then it should read for you. Just so you know, it is wrong for your instructor to be utilizing this type of PDF formatting. It is really no problem to post properly tagged PDF documents which can be read by screen readers. Unfortunately, most faculty is not aware of this, and most universities are not offering the proper training. May I ask what college or university you are studying at?
>> The very best of luck to you.
>>
>> Emily Schlenker
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 20, 2018, at 11:45 AM, Shikha via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>> I have pdf articles as an image every week for one of my classes. What is the quickest way to read them.
>> The disability office is being super slow to convert them in to a word document.
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Shikha Desai
>> Bachelor of Social Work
>> Georgia State University
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From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com  Tue Aug 21 00:28:49 2018
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie P.)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 18:28:49 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] Pdf articles as an image
In-Reply-To: <f36a3083-8ea6-3146-e91f-b681de5b4689@tysdomain.com>
References: <RaJE1y00Y2qgo5R01aJFKe>
	<E3EFF128-B09E-402E-9A3C-FDDBA64B5F4E@cox.net>
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Message-ID: <2E8BB243-C53B-4564-9A74-9DCE4768CB1A@gmail.com>

Ditto what Tyler and Emily both said. It isn’t hard to either convert what you have before posting it for your students, or choose a more appropriate resource. Claiming otherwise is only an excuse, and thelast thing we need to do as a community is help propagate these excuses. 

-Jamie

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 20, 2018, at 17:15, Littlefield, Tyler via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> If I could plus one this post, I would. It not being easy is always the
> excuse I was handed when things failed or couldn't be worked out. I
> don't care how easy or otherwise it is, if I can't have the same access
> and I'm paying the same tuition, we need to talk about it. Backing down
> because this is hard and finding reasons why the OP shouldn't have this
> access is the problem here.
>> On 8/20/2018 6:26 PM, Emily Schlenker via NABS-L wrote:
>> Actually, I work in the media resource center at my university and spend a great deal of time talking to people whose job it is to make these things accessible and train the professors how to either do so or find other material. I never said it was easy, I just said it was not necessary to have an inaccessible version of most articles and that people can and should be trained to do better. Apologism and accessibility are often not compatible.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 20, 2018, at 5:16 PM, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Emily, It's actually not so simple.  Most of the time when an instructor posts an image PDF, that was the way the article was available to them through the library or that's what their scanner (often used by a random student research assistant produced).  It isn't any easier for the instructor to convert such a document than it is for us blind students to do so.
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Emily Schlenker via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 12:03:02 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Pdf articles as an image
>>> 
>>> Hi. I am very sorry that you’re having to go through this, it is completely unnecessary for articles to be posted this way and for the disability office to be this slow. What I would suggest, even though it is definitely not ideal, is to utilize windows OCR that is built into windows 10. I’m not sure it will work, because I have not had to mess with one of these types of documents in a few months, but when you open the PDF hit insert are. You should hear your screen reader say recognizing and then it should read for you. Just so you know, it is wrong for your instructor to be utilizing this type of PDF formatting. It is really no problem to post properly tagged PDF documents which can be read by screen readers. Unfortunately, most faculty is not aware of this, and most universities are not offering the proper training. May I ask what college or university you are studying at?
>>> The very best of luck to you.
>>> 
>>> Emily Schlenker
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Aug 20, 2018, at 11:45 AM, Shikha via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I have pdf articles as an image every week for one of my classes. What is the quickest way to read them.
>>> The disability office is being super slow to convert them in to a word document.
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Shikha Desai
>>> Bachelor of Social Work
>>> Georgia State University
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 21 01:04:24 2018
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 21:04:24 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Pdf articles as an image
Message-ID: <5b7b654f.1c69fb81.facad.ab90@mx.google.com>

Well,=20what=20you=20said=20was,=20"It=20is=20really=20no=20problem=20to=20=
post=20
properly=20tagged=20PDF=20documents=20which=20can=20be=20read=20by=20screen=
=20
readers."=20=20That's=20simply=20false.=20=20If=20it=20were=20easy,=20it=20=
wouldn't=20be=20
any=20hardship=20for=20us=20students=20to=20make=20the=20files=20accessible=
=20
ourselves.=20=20Maybe=20instructors=20need=20to=20do=20it=20anyway=20despit=
e=20it=20
being=20a=20lot=20of=20work=20(I=20think=20they=20do),=20but=20that's=20a=20=
very=20
different=20thing=20from=20claiming=20that=20it's=20no=20big=20deal,=20and=
=20
instructors=20are=20just=20choosing=20not=20to=20make=20things=20accessible=
.=20=20And=20
I=20think=20we=20need=20to=20acknowledge=20the=20kind=20of=20work=20we're=20=
demanding=20
from=20instructors,=20most=20of=20whom=20are=20under=20payed=20and=20over=20=
worked=20
adjuncts=20or=20under=20payed=20and=20over=20worked=20grad=20students.

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Emily=20Schlenker=20via=20NABS-L=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Mon,=2020=20Aug=202018=2017:26:23=20-0500
Subject:=20Re:=20[NABS-L]=20Pdf=20articles=20as=20an=20image

Actually,=20I=20work=20in=20the=20media=20resource=20center=20at=20my=20uni=
versity=20
and=20spend=20a=20great=20deal=20of=20time=20talking=20to=20people=20whose=
=20job=20it=20is=20
to=20make=20these=20things=20accessible=20and=20train=20the=20professors=20=
how=20to=20
either=20do=20so=20or=20find=20other=20material.=20I=20never=20said=20it=20=
was=20easy,=20I=20
just=20said=20it=20was=20not=20necessary=20to=20have=20an=20inaccessible=20=
version=20of=20
most=20articles=20and=20that=20people=20can=20and=20should=20be=20trained=20=
to=20do=20
better.=20Apologism=20and=20accessibility=20are=20often=20not=20compatible.=


Sent=20from=20my=20iPhone

=20On=20Aug=2020,=202018,=20at=205:16=20PM,=20Karl=20Martin=20Adam=20via=20=
NABS-L=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:

=20Hi=20Emily,=20It's=20actually=20not=20so=20simple.=20=20Most=20of=20the=
=20time=20when=20an=20
instructor=20posts=20an=20image=20PDF,=20that=20was=20the=20way=20the=20art=
icle=20was=20
available=20to=20them=20through=20the=20library=20or=20that's=20what=20thei=
r=20
scanner=20(often=20used=20by=20a=20random=20student=20research=20assistant=
=20
produced).=20=20It=20isn't=20any=20easier=20for=20the=20instructor=20to=20c=
onvert=20
such=20a=20document=20than=20it=20is=20for=20us=20blind=20students=20to=20d=
o=20so.

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20From:=20Emily=20Schlenker=20via=20NABS-L=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20=

<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Date=20sent:=20Mon,=2020=20Aug=202018=2012:03:02=20-0500
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[NABS-L]=20Pdf=20articles=20as=20an=20image

=20Hi.=20I=20am=20very=20sorry=20that=20you=E2=80=99re=20having=20to=20go=20=
through=20this,=20it=20
is=20completely=20unnecessary=20for=20articles=20to=20be=20posted=20this=20=
way=20and=20
for=20the=20disability=20office=20to=20be=20this=20slow.=20What=20I=20would=
=20suggest,=20
even=20though=20it=20is=20definitely=20not=20ideal,=20is=20to=20utilize=20w=
indows=20OCR=20
that=20is=20built=20into=20windows=2010.=20I=E2=80=99m=20not=20sure=20it=20=
will=20work,=20
because=20I=20have=20not=20had=20to=20mess=20with=20one=20of=20these=20type=
s=20of=20
documents=20in=20a=20few=20months,=20but=20when=20you=20open=20the=20PDF=20=
hit=20insert=20
are.=20You=20should=20hear=20your=20screen=20reader=20say=20recognizing=20a=
nd=20then=20
it=20should=20read=20for=20you.=20Just=20so=20you=20know,=20it=20is=20wrong=
=20for=20your=20
instructor=20to=20be=20utilizing=20this=20type=20of=20PDF=20formatting.=20I=
t=20is=20
really=20no=20problem=20to=20post=20properly=20tagged=20PDF=20documents=20w=
hich=20can=20
be=20read=20by=20screen=20readers.=20Unfortunately,=20most=20faculty=20is=20=
not=20
aware=20of=20this,=20and=20most=20universities=20are=20not=20offering=20the=
=20proper=20
training.=20May=20I=20ask=20what=20college=20or=20university=20you=20are=20=
studying=20
at?
=20The=20very=20best=20of=20luck=20to=20you.

=20Emily=20Schlenker

=20Sent=20from=20my=20iPhone

=20On=20Aug=2020,=202018,=20at=2011:45=20AM,=20Shikha=20via=20NABS-L=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:

=20Hello,
=20I=20have=20pdf=20articles=20as=20an=20image=20every=20week=20for=20one=20=
of=20my=20
classes.=20What=20is=20the=20quickest=20way=20to=20read=20them.
=20The=20disability=20office=20is=20being=20super=20slow=20to=20convert=20t=
hem=20in=20to=20
a=20word=20document.
=20Thanks,

=20Shikha=20Desai
=20Bachelor=20of=20Social=20Work
=20Georgia=20State=20University
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From tyler at tysdomain.com  Tue Aug 21 01:10:20 2018
From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 21:10:20 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Pdf articles as an image
In-Reply-To: <5b7b654f.1c69fb81.facad.ab90@mx.google.com>
References: <5b7b654f.1c69fb81.facad.ab90@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <0beee3a5-26b2-ed15-334c-0f8646fd5963@tysdomain.com>

I understand that they are underpaid and underappreciated, but this is
the point of the DS offices in most colleges. Professors should have the
foresight and planning to give these materials to the DS office who
should convert them as it is their job. Again, you are being an
appologist for the fact that these things are not properly accessible.
Is it hard and time consuming to find properly tagged docs? Sure, is it
hard to give the docs to the DS office who can properly convert them so
that you can have equal access? No. Should DS convert these and have
them in an easy to read format? The answer is certainly. I don't care
how underpaid someone is, when I go into debt to get an education and
can't get the same equal education, we have a problem.
On 8/20/2018 9:04 PM, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L wrote:
> Well, what you said was, "It is really no problem to post properly
> tagged PDF documents which can be read by screen readers."  That's
> simply false.  If it were easy, it wouldn't be any hardship for us
> students to make the files accessible ourselves.  Maybe instructors
> need to do it anyway despite it being a lot of work (I think they do),
> but that's a very different thing from claiming that it's no big deal,
> and instructors are just choosing not to make things accessible.  And
> I think we need to acknowledge the kind of work we're demanding from
> instructors, most of whom are under payed and over worked adjuncts or
> under payed and over worked grad students.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Emily Schlenker via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 17:26:23 -0500
> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Pdf articles as an image
>
> Actually, I work in the media resource center at my university and
> spend a great deal of time talking to people whose job it is to make
> these things accessible and train the professors how to either do so
> or find other material. I never said it was easy, I just said it was
> not necessary to have an inaccessible version of most articles and
> that people can and should be trained to do better. Apologism and
> accessibility are often not compatible.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 20, 2018, at 5:16 PM, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Emily, It's actually not so simple.  Most of the time when an
> instructor posts an image PDF, that was the way the article was
> available to them through the library or that's what their scanner
> (often used by a random student research assistant produced).  It
> isn't any easier for the instructor to convert such a document than it
> is for us blind students to do so.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Emily Schlenker via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 12:03:02 -0500
> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Pdf articles as an image
>
> Hi. I am very sorry that you�셱e having to go through this, it is
> completely unnecessary for articles to be posted this way and for the
> disability office to be this slow. What I would suggest, even though
> it is definitely not ideal, is to utilize windows OCR that is built
> into windows 10. I�셫 not sure it will work, because I have not had to
> mess with one of these types of documents in a few months, but when
> you open the PDF hit insert are. You should hear your screen reader
> say recognizing and then it should read for you. Just so you know, it
> is wrong for your instructor to be utilizing this type of PDF
> formatting. It is really no problem to post properly tagged PDF
> documents which can be read by screen readers. Unfortunately, most
> faculty is not aware of this, and most universities are not offering
> the proper training. May I ask what college or university you are
> studying at?
> The very best of luck to you.
>
> Emily Schlenker
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 20, 2018, at 11:45 AM, Shikha via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I have pdf articles as an image every week for one of my classes. What
> is the quickest way to read them.
> The disability office is being super slow to convert them in to a word
> document.
> Thanks,
>
> Shikha Desai
> Bachelor of Social Work
> Georgia State University
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From eschlenker at cox.net  Tue Aug 21 01:21:38 2018
From: eschlenker at cox.net (Emily Schlenker)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 20:21:38 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Pdf articles as an image
In-Reply-To: <RdBP1y0212qgo5R01dBRjP>
References: <5b7b654f.1c69fb81.facad.ab90@mx.google.com>
	<RdBP1y0212qgo5R01dBRjP>
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Tyler, absolutely. I am no different than any other student signed up for a class, and I expect to have the same access to materials. It is very simple, and it is also very simple for instructors to take screenshots and think no more about the documents they are posting. This is why the best thing to do is help the instructors through university wide training that is required. The majority of the effort is in learning a new way, it is not in the actual document production and presentation, it’s self. This may be difficult for some older instructors, but many of The professors, adjunct instructors, and graduate teaching assistant at Wichita State are taking to it quite well. It is more about people not liking to be told that they are not only doing things wrong, but that they have to make a change to comply with what is in fact the law. Having said all that, there has to be support from the institution so that instructors do not have to go it alone trying to be in compliance.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 20, 2018, at 8:10 PM, Littlefield, Tyler via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I understand that they are underpaid and underappreciated, but this is
> the point of the DS offices in most colleges. Professors should have the
> foresight and planning to give these materials to the DS office who
> should convert them as it is their job. Again, you are being an
> appologist for the fact that these things are not properly accessible.
> Is it hard and time consuming to find properly tagged docs? Sure, is it
> hard to give the docs to the DS office who can properly convert them so
> that you can have equal access? No. Should DS convert these and have
> them in an easy to read format? The answer is certainly. I don't care
> how underpaid someone is, when I go into debt to get an education and
> can't get the same equal education, we have a problem.
>> On 8/20/2018 9:04 PM, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L wrote:
>> Well, what you said was, "It is really no problem to post properly
>> tagged PDF documents which can be read by screen readers."  That's
>> simply false.  If it were easy, it wouldn't be any hardship for us
>> students to make the files accessible ourselves.  Maybe instructors
>> need to do it anyway despite it being a lot of work (I think they do),
>> but that's a very different thing from claiming that it's no big deal,
>> and instructors are just choosing not to make things accessible.  And
>> I think we need to acknowledge the kind of work we're demanding from
>> instructors, most of whom are under payed and over worked adjuncts or
>> under payed and over worked grad students.
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Emily Schlenker via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 17:26:23 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Pdf articles as an image
>> 
>> Actually, I work in the media resource center at my university and
>> spend a great deal of time talking to people whose job it is to make
>> these things accessible and train the professors how to either do so
>> or find other material. I never said it was easy, I just said it was
>> not necessary to have an inaccessible version of most articles and
>> that people can and should be trained to do better. Apologism and
>> accessibility are often not compatible.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Aug 20, 2018, at 5:16 PM, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Emily, It's actually not so simple.  Most of the time when an
>> instructor posts an image PDF, that was the way the article was
>> available to them through the library or that's what their scanner
>> (often used by a random student research assistant produced).  It
>> isn't any easier for the instructor to convert such a document than it
>> is for us blind students to do so.
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Emily Schlenker via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 12:03:02 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Pdf articles as an image
>> 
>> Hi. I am very sorry that you�셱e having to go through this, it is
>> completely unnecessary for articles to be posted this way and for the
>> disability office to be this slow. What I would suggest, even though
>> it is definitely not ideal, is to utilize windows OCR that is built
>> into windows 10. I�셫 not sure it will work, because I have not had to
>> mess with one of these types of documents in a few months, but when
>> you open the PDF hit insert are. You should hear your screen reader
>> say recognizing and then it should read for you. Just so you know, it
>> is wrong for your instructor to be utilizing this type of PDF
>> formatting. It is really no problem to post properly tagged PDF
>> documents which can be read by screen readers. Unfortunately, most
>> faculty is not aware of this, and most universities are not offering
>> the proper training. May I ask what college or university you are
>> studying at?
>> The very best of luck to you.
>> 
>> Emily Schlenker
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Aug 20, 2018, at 11:45 AM, Shikha via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I have pdf articles as an image every week for one of my classes. What
>> is the quickest way to read them.
>> The disability office is being super slow to convert them in to a word
>> document.
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Shikha Desai
>> Bachelor of Social Work
>> Georgia State University
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 21 02:55:02 2018
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 02:55:02 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] Pdf articles as an image
In-Reply-To: <C06F75E3-A598-4E52-9AF9-666A250B7D94@gmail.com>
References: <C06F75E3-A598-4E52-9AF9-666A250B7D94@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BL0PR04MB489928AAAA84C6C5C56EB6E2BA310@BL0PR04MB4899.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Hello Shikha,

I believe a number of people have provided you with some good suggestions for converting PDF image files. However, another option worth considering that has not already been mentioned is  Adobe Pro. 

My college has Adobe Pro installed on the computers on campus. And it provides an option for using an optical recognition on an image file as soon as you open the file using Adobe Pro. 

You can also use Adobe Pro to save the PDF file as a Word file which can be helpful if you do not necessarily enjoy navigating PDF files. So if your college or university has Adobe Pro installed on any of their computers on campus, then I would highly recommend using it.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 12:46 PM
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Cc: Shikha <desai1shikha at gmail.com>
Subject: [NABS-L] Pdf articles as an image

Hello,
I have pdf articles as an image every week for one of my classes. What is the quickest way to read them.
The disability office is being super slow to convert them in to a word document.
Thanks,

Shikha Desai
Bachelor of Social Work
Georgia State University  
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From eschlenker at cox.net  Tue Aug 21 03:56:42 2018
From: eschlenker at cox.net (Emily Schlenker)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 22:56:42 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Pdf articles as an image
In-Reply-To: <Rezn1y0172qgo5R01ezoAY>
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	<Rezn1y0172qgo5R01ezoAY>
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Absolutely, Elizabeth! I wanted to suggest this, but I’m not sure which universities have it for free if students want to use it. I know that it costs an arm and a leg. LOL!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 20, 2018, at 9:55 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Shikha,
> 
> I believe a number of people have provided you with some good suggestions for converting PDF image files. However, another option worth considering that has not already been mentioned is  Adobe Pro. 
> 
> My college has Adobe Pro installed on the computers on campus. And it provides an option for using an optical recognition on an image file as soon as you open the file using Adobe Pro. 
> 
> You can also use Adobe Pro to save the PDF file as a Word file which can be helpful if you do not necessarily enjoy navigating PDF files. So if your college or university has Adobe Pro installed on any of their computers on campus, then I would highly recommend using it.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shikha via NABS-L
> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 12:46 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Shikha <desai1shikha at gmail.com>
> Subject: [NABS-L] Pdf articles as an image
> 
> Hello,
> I have pdf articles as an image every week for one of my classes. What is the quickest way to read them.
> The disability office is being super slow to convert them in to a word document.
> Thanks,
> 
> Shikha Desai
> Bachelor of Social Work
> Georgia State University  
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From sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 21 15:08:40 2018
From: sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com (Sarah Meyer)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 11:08:40 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Searching for Accessible Video Recording Program
Message-ID: <CALEYb2sx59BQC3VOy67Yj6c0A6S3_8SXzY3_gAYQhr07qFGefg@mail.gmail.com>

Good morning,

I hope this email finds you doing well. I am writing to see if anyone
has any recommendations for webcams and video recording software that
are accessible with JAWS. My internship site (at a university
counseling center) uses a video recording program called Logitech with
a webcam made by the same company for recording our client sessions.
Unfortunately, Logitech is not accessible with JAWS. Does anyone know
of or have experience with programs that are accessible with JAWS?
It's important that I be able to independently, accurately, and
confidentially be able to record my sessions for supervision purposes.
Each counseling room is equipped with a Desktop computer with Windows
and the Logitech software. The center has already loaded JAWS on the
computer in the room I'll be using.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions/recommendations,

Sarah


-- 
Sarah K. Meyer
Graduate Student, Clinical Mental Health Counseling
Ball State University
sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com
(317)402-6632

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. You can live the life
you want; blindness is not what holds you back. Together with love,
hope, and determination, we transform dreams into reality.


From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 21 15:47:30 2018
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 21:17:30 +0530
Subject: [NABS-L] Use of Victor Reader for Seamless Reading
Message-ID: <CADFycPb+FDLsq895c=b9y9ViycHF5oJ8S-ZbJJ4dga6cswSogA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everyone,

One significant obstacle that I face in my work is my inability to
listen to something and verbalize what I am listening to at the same
time, given that this is very unnatural. I am learning Braille to
figure out if that can be a solution to this problem. Someone
suggested that I use the Victor Reader for this purpose, as it gives
you much greater freedom to listen to the content in such a way as to
be able to verbalize the content being read. I was wondering what
people here think about this.

Best,
Rahul


From sarah at sarahblakelarose.com  Tue Aug 21 15:50:02 2018
From: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com (sarah at sarahblakelarose.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 11:50:02 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Searching for Accessible Video Recording Program
In-Reply-To: <CALEYb2sx59BQC3VOy67Yj6c0A6S3_8SXzY3_gAYQhr07qFGefg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALEYb2sx59BQC3VOy67Yj6c0A6S3_8SXzY3_gAYQhr07qFGefg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002b01d43966$a1a46520$e4ed2f60$@sarahblakelarose.com>

Following for other reasons. 


Rev. Sarah Blake LaRose
http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
Accessible instruction in Biblical languages

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sarah Meyer via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 11:09 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Sarah Meyer <sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com>
Subject: [NABS-L] Searching for Accessible Video Recording Program

Good morning,

I hope this email finds you doing well. I am writing to see if anyone has any recommendations for webcams and video recording software that are accessible with JAWS. My internship site (at a university counseling center) uses a video recording program called Logitech with a webcam made by the same company for recording our client sessions.
Unfortunately, Logitech is not accessible with JAWS. Does anyone know of or have experience with programs that are accessible with JAWS?
It's important that I be able to independently, accurately, and confidentially be able to record my sessions for supervision purposes.
Each counseling room is equipped with a Desktop computer with Windows and the Logitech software. The center has already loaded JAWS on the computer in the room I'll be using.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions/recommendations,

Sarah


--
Sarah K. Meyer
Graduate Student, Clinical Mental Health Counseling Ball State University sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com
(317)402-6632

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From eschlenker at cox.net  Tue Aug 21 15:51:04 2018
From: eschlenker at cox.net (Emily Schlenker)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 10:51:04 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Use of Victor Reader for Seamless Reading
In-Reply-To: <Rrol1y01t2qgo5R01romtD>
References: <Rrol1y01t2qgo5R01romtD>
Message-ID: <30B2E780-7975-48EA-B948-DD6420E19572@cox.net>

I don’t know if this helps, but I can almost always tell when someone is doing this because of a certain broken pattern in there speaking. It definitely is not fluid on the multiple occasions that I have heard it. If it were possible to put pauses in what you are playing so that you had some time to speak without having to also pay attention to what you’re hearing, it might work better.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 21, 2018, at 10:47 AM, Rahul Bajaj via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> One significant obstacle that I face in my work is my inability to
> listen to something and verbalize what I am listening to at the same
> time, given that this is very unnatural. I am learning Braille to
> figure out if that can be a solution to this problem. Someone
> suggested that I use the Victor Reader for this purpose, as it gives
> you much greater freedom to listen to the content in such a way as to
> be able to verbalize the content being read. I was wondering what
> people here think about this.
> 
> Best,
> Rahul
> 
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From louvins at gmail.com  Tue Aug 21 16:05:08 2018
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 11:05:08 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Use of Victor Reader for Seamless Reading
In-Reply-To: <30B2E780-7975-48EA-B948-DD6420E19572@cox.net>
References: <30B2E780-7975-48EA-B948-DD6420E19572@cox.net>
Message-ID: <CADUoy9vzi+ShuoW-_TGqpW0a44ZvkC7GCVVT0G02dJyRtqECqg@mail.gmail.com>

I think the victor stream would be a great tool in doing what you
need.  You can easily pause what is being listened to then resume play
back after you have repeated what was just spoken.  Good luck.

On 8/21/18, Emily Schlenker via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I don’t know if this helps, but I can almost always tell when someone is
> doing this because of a certain broken pattern in there speaking. It
> definitely is not fluid on the multiple occasions that I have heard it. If
> it were possible to put pauses in what you are playing so that you had some
> time to speak without having to also pay attention to what you’re hearing,
> it might work better.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 21, 2018, at 10:47 AM, Rahul Bajaj via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> One significant obstacle that I face in my work is my inability to
>> listen to something and verbalize what I am listening to at the same
>> time, given that this is very unnatural. I am learning Braille to
>> figure out if that can be a solution to this problem. Someone
>> suggested that I use the Victor Reader for this purpose, as it gives
>> you much greater freedom to listen to the content in such a way as to
>> be able to verbalize the content being read. I was wondering what
>> people here think about this.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rahul
>>
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>
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Joshua Hendrickson


From mbrands777 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 21 17:35:48 2018
From: mbrands777 at gmail.com (Michael Brands)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 12:35:48 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Large-Print Greek+Hebrew Bibles
Message-ID: <CANvbiOuw9Bumr5iW1ZHjYn1VUwJnaKDxf5ets219=p0UP=z_PA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Fellow Federationists,

I am a blind teacher-writer announcing an opportunity here for someone with
low vision who is involved in some way with Biblical studies.

I have large-print copies of the UBS Greek New Testament and the BHS
Hebrew  bible (Old Testament). They are in the form of several 12 x 24 inch
volumes. I also have two cabinets, which stack in a 2-ft-wide space and are
about 6 feet tall together -- which house both bibles on specially designed
easily usable shelving.

I am ready to donate either or both of these Bibles, with the cabinets or
just the Bible volumes themselves, to whomever would like to make use of
them. First-come-first-serve, but I need to move these out by about Aug. 27
at the latest. I live in St Paul, MN 55117 and I would need you to cover
the shipping cost. The volumes themselves could be shipped in two
medium-sized boxes by media mail rate. The cabinets would need to be
shipped via UPS.

If interested, please email me at mbranrs777 at gmail.com

Thank you.

Michael Brands

From sheth.neel.s at gmail.com  Tue Aug 21 19:07:58 2018
From: sheth.neel.s at gmail.com (Neel Sheth)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 15:07:58 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Use of Victor Reader for Seamless Reading
In-Reply-To: <CADFycPb+FDLsq895c=b9y9ViycHF5oJ8S-ZbJJ4dga6cswSogA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADFycPb+FDLsq895c=b9y9ViycHF5oJ8S-ZbJJ4dga6cswSogA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <077ABEA9-4555-49A2-94E9-CE1F5164BAA7@gmail.com>

Hello Rahul, 
I would absolutely recommend mastering braille skills in order to speak and make presentations. The victor reader would be a good option while you increase your reading speed. I personally tried listening to recordings of my presentations and repeating what I heard, but it never worked for me. What I usually do, is write out a few main points using my braille note taker, and I use those points to discuss what I had planned. Another thing I noticed when I was simultaneously listening to a recording and speaking, was that I was speaking in a monotone, rather than responding to my audience. 
Neel Sheth: Clemson University 
Phone: 803-420-2354
sheth.neel.s at gmail.com



> On Aug 21, 2018, at 11:47 AM, Rahul Bajaj via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> One significant obstacle that I face in my work is my inability to
> listen to something and verbalize what I am listening to at the same
> time, given that this is very unnatural. I am learning Braille to
> figure out if that can be a solution to this problem. Someone
> suggested that I use the Victor Reader for this purpose, as it gives
> you much greater freedom to listen to the content in such a way as to
> be able to verbalize the content being read. I was wondering what
> people here think about this.
> 
> Best,
> Rahul
> 
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From matthewhgip at gmail.com  Wed Aug 22 21:11:40 2018
From: matthewhgip at gmail.com (Matthew Gip)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 14:11:40 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] Membership Call on Relationships this Sunday,
 August 26th at 8 pm eastern
Message-ID: <861FB26F-016E-405A-8C15-C7882CF83A85@gmail.com>

Hello students!  

Join our membership call this Sunday, August 26th at 8 pm eastern.  We will be getting real and having a conversation about navigating the world of intimacy and relationships as blind college students. Please help us make this an engaging call by sending us some questions about the topic so we can have some discusión questions. Please don’t be afraid to ask. This is a topic a lot of us are apprehensive to talk about sometimes but let’s have some honest conversation on our next call. 

Call in information: 
(712) 770-5197,,265669

Feel free to reach out with any additional questions or comments. 

Best,
Janae Burgmeier, Melissa Carney, Elizabeth Sheeler, and Matt Gip 
NABS Outreach Leadership 

Matthew Gip 
President | California Association of Blind Students 
A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind of California 
Co-Chair | National Association of Blind Students Outreach Committee 
Phone: (559) 375-2068 
Email: matthewhgip at gmail.com


From dsykora29 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 22 22:16:26 2018
From: dsykora29 at gmail.com (Danielle Sykora)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 18:16:26 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] [nabs-l] disclosing your disability on a graduate school
 application
Message-ID: <CAAdv8fosm+2k5FQrH2R++8a5Svzdh=RBg=G3b7PmU__0bQFE5A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I'm curious whether those of you who have applied to graduate school,
particularly in STEM subjects, disclosed your disability prior to
being accepted? I generally do not disclose my disability ahead of
time if I have the choice because I want to be considered fairly with
as little prejudice as possible. I've submitted one application
without disclosing my disability anywhere in the application material,
which is definitely the right decision for that situation.

I am however considering whether disclosing my blindness with this
second application would be beneficial or not. This particular
university really seems to emphasize diversity, mentioning unusual
backgrounds and being part of a minority group on both the application
and statement of purpose guidelines (not just the generic "we value
diversity" statement on the website that practically every university
includes). I'm wondering if mentioning my blindness along with other
factors (either on the appropriate place in the application or on my
statement of purpose) would improve my chances of being accepted
because it improves their diversity; however, I am still concerned
about preconceived notions the professors I would like to consider me
for assistantships might have that could cause them to overlook me
entirely.

Thoughts?
Danielle


From ropermeaghan at gmail.com  Wed Aug 22 22:40:18 2018
From: ropermeaghan at gmail.com (Roper, Meaghan)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 18:40:18 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] [nabs-l] disclosing your disability on a graduate
 school application
In-Reply-To: <CAAdv8fosm+2k5FQrH2R++8a5Svzdh=RBg=G3b7PmU__0bQFE5A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAdv8fosm+2k5FQrH2R++8a5Svzdh=RBg=G3b7PmU__0bQFE5A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9CA02538-DE01-45FC-887D-2A0A5747E224@gmail.com>

Danielle,

In my experience, I chose to disclose my blindness on some of  my applications because it is evident from my resume and  volunteer work that I spent a lot of time working with the blindness community  and other parts of the disability community. Although it is very possible that there may be some prejudice against you for your blindness, it is also possible that the university may recognize that you have experience and skills that your cited peers  lack because you are blind. There was probably one application that I chose not to disclose as well, I think it is up to your discretion as to whether not you disclose on each individual application. I say though, based on your email that it may be to your benefit to disclose this.
Good luck with your application. 

Meaghan K.  Roper
Wheelock College | Class of 2018 
Georgetown University | Class of 2019


> On Aug 22, 2018, at 6:16 PM, Danielle Sykora via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm curious whether those of you who have applied to graduate school,
> particularly in STEM subjects, disclosed your disability prior to
> being accepted? I generally do not disclose my disability ahead of
> time if I have the choice because I want to be considered fairly with
> as little prejudice as possible. I've submitted one application
> without disclosing my disability anywhere in the application material,
> which is definitely the right decision for that situation.
> 
> I am however considering whether disclosing my blindness with this
> second application would be beneficial or not. This particular
> university really seems to emphasize diversity, mentioning unusual
> backgrounds and being part of a minority group on both the application
> and statement of purpose guidelines (not just the generic "we value
> diversity" statement on the website that practically every university
> includes). I'm wondering if mentioning my blindness along with other
> factors (either on the appropriate place in the application or on my
> statement of purpose) would improve my chances of being accepted
> because it improves their diversity; however, I am still concerned
> about preconceived notions the professors I would like to consider me
> for assistantships might have that could cause them to overlook me
> entirely.
> 
> Thoughts?
> Danielle
> 
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 22 23:36:56 2018
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 19:36:56 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] [nabs-l] disclosing your disability on a graduate
 schoolapplication
Message-ID: <5b7df3d3.1c69fb81.d5b25.568f@mx.google.com>

Hi Danielle,

I'm in the humanities, but I disclosed on my applications.  
Unfortunately, I have no way of knowing whether I would have 
gotten into more or fewer schools had I not done so.

HTH,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Danielle Sykora via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 18:16:26 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] [nabs-l] disclosing your disability on a 
graduate schoolapplication

Hi all,

I'm curious whether those of you who have applied to graduate 
school,
particularly in STEM subjects, disclosed your disability prior to
being accepted? I generally do not disclose my disability ahead 
of
time if I have the choice because I want to be considered fairly 
with
as little prejudice as possible. I've submitted one application
without disclosing my disability anywhere in the application 
material,
which is definitely the right decision for that situation.

I am however considering whether disclosing my blindness with 
this
second application would be beneficial or not. This particular
university really seems to emphasize diversity, mentioning 
unusual
backgrounds and being part of a minority group on both the 
application
and statement of purpose guidelines (not just the generic "we 
value
diversity" statement on the website that practically every 
university
includes). I'm wondering if mentioning my blindness along with 
other
factors (either on the appropriate place in the application or on 
my
statement of purpose) would improve my chances of being accepted
because it improves their diversity; however, I am still 
concerned
about preconceived notions the professors I would like to 
consider me
for assistantships might have that could cause them to overlook 
me
entirely.

Thoughts?
Danielle

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From eschlenker at cox.net  Thu Aug 23 00:18:45 2018
From: eschlenker at cox.net (Emily Schlenker)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 19:18:45 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] [nabs-l] disclosing your disability on a graduate
 school application
In-Reply-To: <SNHZ1y04J2qgo5R01NHaEN>
References: <SNHZ1y04J2qgo5R01NHaEN>
Message-ID: <4F724C70-76A1-4391-AC98-E8B6737A31F7@cox.net>

Hi, Danielle. As a long time stem student, I can share my experience, but it is only at one University and one national meeting where there were tons of people in the field that I have the most interest. My heart will always be in chemistry, but this seems to be a discipline fraught with academic rigidity and is not particularly friendly to blind students. You will find yourself possibly being railroaded into sitting at a computer all day, or you may be in a situation where you cannot get into a research lab. I’m not saying that this is the case, but it is definitely a strong possibility with chemistry. Physics seems to be somewhat the same way, but maybe not quite as rigid and pedantic. I have had the most luck with biologists and others in the life sciences. They seem to be more open minded and interested in different ways of doing things. As far as disclosure, I certainly would not disclose it on the application, but you do need to give the graduate school plenty of time to prepare for you if you do get in, so maybe that would be the time to talk with their accommodations office. I have been at this student thing for a long time, and honestly I do not trust the majority of people not to have a knee-jerk reaction when they see that someone is blind and they are in a position to reject the application. Lots of people give lip service to diversity, but it is very seldom truly played out in the sciences. I will not speak for math, although it seems to be more friendly to blind students. I don’t know much about engineering, either. I hope this helps.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 22, 2018, at 5:16 PM, Danielle Sykora via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm curious whether those of you who have applied to graduate school,
> particularly in STEM subjects, disclosed your disability prior to
> being accepted? I generally do not disclose my disability ahead of
> time if I have the choice because I want to be considered fairly with
> as little prejudice as possible. I've submitted one application
> without disclosing my disability anywhere in the application material,
> which is definitely the right decision for that situation.
> 
> I am however considering whether disclosing my blindness with this
> second application would be beneficial or not. This particular
> university really seems to emphasize diversity, mentioning unusual
> backgrounds and being part of a minority group on both the application
> and statement of purpose guidelines (not just the generic "we value
> diversity" statement on the website that practically every university
> includes). I'm wondering if mentioning my blindness along with other
> factors (either on the appropriate place in the application or on my
> statement of purpose) would improve my chances of being accepted
> because it improves their diversity; however, I am still concerned
> about preconceived notions the professors I would like to consider me
> for assistantships might have that could cause them to overlook me
> entirely.
> 
> Thoughts?
> Danielle
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From truewise.8614 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 23 03:04:52 2018
From: truewise.8614 at gmail.com (Vanna Song)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 20:04:52 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] [nabs-l] disclosing your disability on a graduate
 school application
In-Reply-To: <4F724C70-76A1-4391-AC98-E8B6737A31F7@cox.net>
References: <4F724C70-76A1-4391-AC98-E8B6737A31F7@cox.net>
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Hello Danielle,

It's at your discretion whether you want to disclose your disability.
Since you asked about the experience of other graduate applicants, I
disclosed my disability in the application, including the statement of
purpose. I did not apply to a STEM program. I applied to an
international studies program. I don't know how much my disability
factored in to them accepting my application though.

On 8/22/18, Emily Schlenker via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi, Danielle. As a long time stem student, I can share my experience, but it
> is only at one University and one national meeting where there were tons of
> people in the field that I have the most interest. My heart will always be
> in chemistry, but this seems to be a discipline fraught with academic
> rigidity and is not particularly friendly to blind students. You will find
> yourself possibly being railroaded into sitting at a computer all day, or
> you may be in a situation where you cannot get into a research lab. I’m not
> saying that this is the case, but it is definitely a strong possibility with
> chemistry. Physics seems to be somewhat the same way, but maybe not quite as
> rigid and pedantic. I have had the most luck with biologists and others in
> the life sciences. They seem to be more open minded and interested in
> different ways of doing things. As far as disclosure, I certainly would not
> disclose it on the application, but you do need to give the graduate school
> plenty of time to prepare for you if you do get in, so maybe that would be
> the time to talk with their accommodations office. I have been at this
> student thing for a long time, and honestly I do not trust the majority of
> people not to have a knee-jerk reaction when they see that someone is blind
> and they are in a position to reject the application. Lots of people give
> lip service to diversity, but it is very seldom truly played out in the
> sciences. I will not speak for math, although it seems to be more friendly
> to blind students. I don’t know much about engineering, either. I hope this
> helps.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 22, 2018, at 5:16 PM, Danielle Sykora via NABS-L
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm curious whether those of you who have applied to graduate school,
>> particularly in STEM subjects, disclosed your disability prior to
>> being accepted? I generally do not disclose my disability ahead of
>> time if I have the choice because I want to be considered fairly with
>> as little prejudice as possible. I've submitted one application
>> without disclosing my disability anywhere in the application material,
>> which is definitely the right decision for that situation.
>>
>> I am however considering whether disclosing my blindness with this
>> second application would be beneficial or not. This particular
>> university really seems to emphasize diversity, mentioning unusual
>> backgrounds and being part of a minority group on both the application
>> and statement of purpose guidelines (not just the generic "we value
>> diversity" statement on the website that practically every university
>> includes). I'm wondering if mentioning my blindness along with other
>> factors (either on the appropriate place in the application or on my
>> statement of purpose) would improve my chances of being accepted
>> because it improves their diversity; however, I am still concerned
>> about preconceived notions the professors I would like to consider me
>> for assistantships might have that could cause them to overlook me
>> entirely.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>> Danielle
>>
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>
>
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From jdholcomb79 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 23 05:04:55 2018
From: jdholcomb79 at gmail.com (JD Holcomb)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 23:04:55 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] Help with hawkes mathematical program
Message-ID: <2B8B946B-9970-42E2-B1C8-A2577A711612@gmail.com>

Greetings,
I am encountering problems with the Hawkes mathematical program. Most my difficulty seems to be when doing practice problems as it has a hard time reading math problem character by character if I get it in just the right spot and turn on the jaws cursor and can read the problem character by character. Very difficult switching back between the answer line and the problem line to get it all complete. Any ideas on how to improve this or tips would be greatly appreciated
Sincerely 

Jedediah Holcomb
jdholcomb79 at gmail.com

From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 23 12:27:35 2018
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 08:27:35 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] [nabs-l] disclosing your disability on a graduate
 school application
Message-ID: <5b7ea839.1c69fb81.ab13b.91fd@mx.google.com>

Hi Danielle I would disclose my disability on this application. This may inicrease your chances of being accepted to this university.

On Aug 22, 2018 6:16 PM, Danielle Sykora via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi all, 
>
> I'm curious whether those of you who have applied to graduate school, 
> particularly in STEM subjects, disclosed your disability prior to 
> being accepted? I generally do not disclose my disability ahead of 
> time if I have the choice because I want to be considered fairly with 
> as little prejudice as possible. I've submitted one application 
> without disclosing my disability anywhere in the application material, 
> which is definitely the right decision for that situation. 
>
> I am however considering whether disclosing my blindness with this 
> second application would be beneficial or not. This particular 
> university really seems to emphasize diversity, mentioning unusual 
> backgrounds and being part of a minority group on both the application 
> and statement of purpose guidelines (not just the generic "we value 
> diversity" statement on the website that practically every university 
> includes). I'm wondering if mentioning my blindness along with other 
> factors (either on the appropriate place in the application or on my 
> statement of purpose) would improve my chances of being accepted 
> because it improves their diversity; however, I am still concerned 
> about preconceived notions the professors I would like to consider me 
> for assistantships might have that could cause them to overlook me 
> entirely. 
>
> Thoughts? 
> Danielle 
>
> _______________________________________________ 
> NABS-L mailing list 
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> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org 
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From jdholcomb79 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 23 12:31:04 2018
From: jdholcomb79 at gmail.com (JD Holcomb)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 06:31:04 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] Questions about navigating through hawkes program
Message-ID: <272D3E16-9A10-4D41-A5C6-3532E157C3B0@gmail.com>

Greetings,
I am encountering problems with the Hawkes mathematical program. Most of my difficulty seems to be when doing practice problems as it has a hard time reading The math problem character by character. if I get it in just the right spot and turn on the jaws cursor I can read the problem character by character. Very difficult switching back between the answer line and the problem line to get it all complete. Any ideas on how to improve this or tips would be greatly appreciated
Sincerely 

Jedediah Holcomb
jdholcomb79 at gmail.com

From sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com  Thu Aug 23 19:04:13 2018
From: sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 15:04:13 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Searching for Accessible Video Recording Program
In-Reply-To: <CALEYb2sx59BQC3VOy67Yj6c0A6S3_8SXzY3_gAYQhr07qFGefg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALEYb2sx59BQC3VOy67Yj6c0A6S3_8SXzY3_gAYQhr07qFGefg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5b7f052c.1c69fb81.a8a5d.c6f2@mx.google.com>

Hi everyone,
I've never used it myself, but I've heard good things about Zoom. I found
their list of shortcuts: with a list like this it would appear they are
committed to accessibility. I hope this is helpful!
https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/205683899-Hot-Keys-and-Keyboard-fo
r-Zoom

Sarah



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Sent: August 21, 2018 11:09 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Sarah Meyer
Subject: [NABS-L] Searching for Accessible Video Recording Program

Good morning,

I hope this email finds you doing well. I am writing to see if anyone
has any recommendations for webcams and video recording software that
are accessible with JAWS. My internship site (at a university
counseling center) uses a video recording program called Logitech with
a webcam made by the same company for recording our client sessions.
Unfortunately, Logitech is not accessible with JAWS. Does anyone know
of or have experience with programs that are accessible with JAWS?
It's important that I be able to independently, accurately, and
confidentially be able to record my sessions for supervision purposes.
Each counseling room is equipped with a Desktop computer with Windows
and the Logitech software. The center has already loaded JAWS on the
computer in the room I'll be using.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions/recommendations,

Sarah


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(317)402-6632

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From carolinarose422 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 24 02:07:42 2018
From: carolinarose422 at gmail.com (Kiana Harlan)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 22:07:42 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] DSM-5 TR
Message-ID: <CAPL27qCWo458qOuKgtzxE7EbwN85wwexC0vCUBONmCiFBFp4sQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
I'm looking for some resources for finding the full version of the
DSM-5 in an accessible format. I've found the shortened desk version
on Bookshare, but my professor wants us to be able to access the full
version. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
Kiana Harlan


From jab2bs at mtmail.mtsu.edu  Fri Aug 24 11:21:16 2018
From: jab2bs at mtmail.mtsu.edu (James Alan Boehm)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 11:21:16 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] DSM-5 TR
In-Reply-To: <CAPL27qCWo458qOuKgtzxE7EbwN85wwexC0vCUBONmCiFBFp4sQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPL27qCWo458qOuKgtzxE7EbwN85wwexC0vCUBONmCiFBFp4sQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EEA203E0-1524-4058-9AB3-7B4F21D10B95@mtmail.mtsu.edu>

Good day. I downloaded the DSM 5 from Bookshare last year, and I’m not sure exactly what you mean, but from what I can tell I had the full version. Also, there is a paid app that you can purchase that is fully accessible and it provides the DSM in full. Also, it has the billeted take notes, it provides you the ic  Number, and has some in valuable decision trees that can help you with diagnosis. I highly recommend it!

James Alan Boehm
Phone: 901-483-1515
Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com
Refer NFB correspondences to:
JBoehm at NFB-TN.org

"Blindness never limits- Low expectations do! Live the life you want!"

> On Aug 23, 2018, at 9:09 PM, Kiana Harlan via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I'm looking for some resources for finding the full version of the
> DSM-5 in an accessible format. I've found the shortened desk version
> on Bookshare, but my professor wants us to be able to access the full
> version. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated!
> 
> Thanks,
> Kiana Harlan
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From ahbeeorton at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 24 17:27:42 2018
From: ahbeeorton at yahoo.com (Ahbee Orton)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 12:27:42 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] reading on a Focus Braille Display
Message-ID: <0E19EC7A-22E2-4C2B-B74D-D3321F5603AD@yahoo.com>

Hi Everyone, 

  I have been having some trouble using JAWS and reading with my Focus braille display. I can read a couple of lines at a time, and then it won't go any further until I push the down arrow on the computer for JAWS to read the next few lines. Is there some setting I'm not aware of that will let me read the entire work using the braille display with and/or without JAWS speaking? Thanks! 

Blessings, 
Ahbee  

Sent from my iPad


From thflute at gmail.com  Fri Aug 24 19:38:09 2018
From: thflute at gmail.com (Tara Briggs)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 13:38:09 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] Introduction and taking the GRE!
Message-ID: <7B17C7E0-8A27-47CC-98A3-B585AFD04A71@gmail.com>

Hi all! My name is Tara. Currently, I am a stay at home mom of two little girls. My oldest is for and my youngest is too. This school year, and a couple of weeks, my kids will both be attending preschool. My oldest will attend in the afternoon three days a week and my youngest will attend in the afternoon to days a week. I am hoping to use that time to study for the GRE. However, I have not been in college for 10 years and I’m feeling pretty rusty. What in the world should I use to study for that year you and how do I get it in accessible format? Any help would be beyond welcome! Thank you and I look forward to being on this list.
Tara Briggs 


Sent from my iPhone

From keribcu at gmail.com  Fri Aug 24 19:51:34 2018
From: keribcu at gmail.com (Keri Svendsen)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 15:51:34 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Introduction and taking the GRE!
In-Reply-To: <7B17C7E0-8A27-47CC-98A3-B585AFD04A71@gmail.com>
References: <7B17C7E0-8A27-47CC-98A3-B585AFD04A71@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bc473874-01e4-9daf-a03e-0830b932b55b@gmail.com>

Good afternoon,


Ets has an accessibility page for the GRE. You can get hard copy 
braille, amd electronic stuff to practice.


On 8/24/2018 3:38 PM, Tara Briggs via NABS-L wrote:
> Hi all! My name is Tara. Currently, I am a stay at home mom of two little girls. My oldest is for and my youngest is too. This school year, and a couple of weeks, my kids will both be attending preschool. My oldest will attend in the afternoon three days a week and my youngest will attend in the afternoon to days a week. I am hoping to use that time to study for the GRE. However, I have not been in college for 10 years and I’m feeling pretty rusty. What in the world should I use to study for that year you and how do I get it in accessible format? Any help would be beyond welcome! Thank you and I look forward to being on this list.
> Tara Briggs
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From lawrenceperez2010 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 24 20:10:18 2018
From: lawrenceperez2010 at gmail.com (Lawrence Perez)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 14:10:18 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] Suggestions for Colleges that have a macOS Development
 Program
Message-ID: <CAOcrf8OpTqs7Vvr9Vm-VOC1ybDX7Sz=8PywVfm5fwayB=itq+g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi.



My name is Lawrence. I want to go into college for a career that I think I
would enjoy. I want to become a computer programmer / software developer
focusing on Apple iOS and macOS development, I have a few ideas on computer
programming. I want to make a program for the iPhone and the Mac that is
similar to QWS, which is software that I use to make and edit my own Midi
files. I like to use the Midi format to write and compose my own music, and
I want to be able to do that from my phone and not just from my computer.
It can be frustrating when I am traveling on the road and I can’t make
music with my phone. By the time I get back to my laptop, I forget the song
that I had in mind. I have tried GarageBand and other apps, but they are
not accessible, and GarageBand is not capable of making a Midi file, and
other apps are not accessible. So the app is not only going to be
accessible, but sited users can use the app I create, which will allow
other people to use the app, not just the blind. I am focusing my
development of the app towards the Apple platforms, E. G. iOS and
Macintosh, because products already exist for Windows, such as QWS, to
create Midi files. Logic is too expensive for Mac users to make Midi files
on the Mac, so I want that affordable option for those who don’t have
$300.00 for Logic. I have tried Android before, I haven't owned an Android
but a friend let me try to use his phone with TalkBack. When I was working
with it, Android was challenging to use, and some things would make the
TalkBack not work until it was restarted.



I don’t know which colleges are available for me to get into, whether the
college has accessible contact ETC. What colleges near New Mexico would you
recommend that will allow me to study macOS development? Are there,
perhaps, any colleges that offer complete online classes? Thanks.

From mkvnfb94 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 24 21:02:17 2018
From: mkvnfb94 at gmail.com (Mariya Vasileva)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 17:02:17 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Suggestions for Colleges that have a macOS Development
 Program
In-Reply-To: <CAOcrf8OpTqs7Vvr9Vm-VOC1ybDX7Sz=8PywVfm5fwayB=itq+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOcrf8OpTqs7Vvr9Vm-VOC1ybDX7Sz=8PywVfm5fwayB=itq+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <142458B1-EEE9-40AD-AA51-F03BA18D6974@gmail.com>

Hi Lawrence, you could research the University of New Mexico and other neighboring universities that you can major in computer programming that offer it. They won’t have it specifically for Mac, but by the time you were done, you will have all the skills needed to be able to code and develop software for Apple once you get employed by them.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 24, 2018, at 16:10, Lawrence Perez via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> 
> 
> My name is Lawrence. I want to go into college for a career that I think I
> would enjoy. I want to become a computer programmer / software developer
> focusing on Apple iOS and macOS development, I have a few ideas on computer
> programming. I want to make a program for the iPhone and the Mac that is
> similar to QWS, which is software that I use to make and edit my own Midi
> files. I like to use the Midi format to write and compose my own music, and
> I want to be able to do that from my phone and not just from my computer.
> It can be frustrating when I am traveling on the road and I can’t make
> music with my phone. By the time I get back to my laptop, I forget the song
> that I had in mind. I have tried GarageBand and other apps, but they are
> not accessible, and GarageBand is not capable of making a Midi file, and
> other apps are not accessible. So the app is not only going to be
> accessible, but sited users can use the app I create, which will allow
> other people to use the app, not just the blind. I am focusing my
> development of the app towards the Apple platforms, E. G. iOS and
> Macintosh, because products already exist for Windows, such as QWS, to
> create Midi files. Logic is too expensive for Mac users to make Midi files
> on the Mac, so I want that affordable option for those who don’t have
> $300.00 for Logic. I have tried Android before, I haven't owned an Android
> but a friend let me try to use his phone with TalkBack. When I was working
> with it, Android was challenging to use, and some things would make the
> TalkBack not work until it was restarted.
> 
> 
> 
> I don’t know which colleges are available for me to get into, whether the
> college has accessible contact ETC. What colleges near New Mexico would you
> recommend that will allow me to study macOS development? Are there,
> perhaps, any colleges that offer complete online classes? Thanks.
> _______________________________________________
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From mkvnfb94 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 24 21:05:47 2018
From: mkvnfb94 at gmail.com (Mariya Vasileva)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 17:05:47 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Suggestions for Colleges that have a macOS Development
 Program
In-Reply-To: <CAOcrf8OpTqs7Vvr9Vm-VOC1ybDX7Sz=8PywVfm5fwayB=itq+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOcrf8OpTqs7Vvr9Vm-VOC1ybDX7Sz=8PywVfm5fwayB=itq+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1A36B9F1-953C-4AA1-A8D8-4906550051F9@gmail.com>

Hi Lawrence, you can start by researching the University of New Mexico, and maybe other neighboring universities. Pretty much all universities offer online degree programs, but for programming, it’s not going to be specific to Apple, because you will need all the skills once you get done with it, to work in all sorts of fields and companies Apple included. I don’t know how your higher level math skills are, but for computer programming or a computer science degree that has a focus in computer programming, you will need the entire Calc series and possibly a few applied math courses as part of your skill set.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 24, 2018, at 16:10, Lawrence Perez via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> 
> 
> My name is Lawrence. I want to go into college for a career that I think I
> would enjoy. I want to become a computer programmer / software developer
> focusing on Apple iOS and macOS development, I have a few ideas on computer
> programming. I want to make a program for the iPhone and the Mac that is
> similar to QWS, which is software that I use to make and edit my own Midi
> files. I like to use the Midi format to write and compose my own music, and
> I want to be able to do that from my phone and not just from my computer.
> It can be frustrating when I am traveling on the road and I can’t make
> music with my phone. By the time I get back to my laptop, I forget the song
> that I had in mind. I have tried GarageBand and other apps, but they are
> not accessible, and GarageBand is not capable of making a Midi file, and
> other apps are not accessible. So the app is not only going to be
> accessible, but sited users can use the app I create, which will allow
> other people to use the app, not just the blind. I am focusing my
> development of the app towards the Apple platforms, E. G. iOS and
> Macintosh, because products already exist for Windows, such as QWS, to
> create Midi files. Logic is too expensive for Mac users to make Midi files
> on the Mac, so I want that affordable option for those who don’t have
> $300.00 for Logic. I have tried Android before, I haven't owned an Android
> but a friend let me try to use his phone with TalkBack. When I was working
> with it, Android was challenging to use, and some things would make the
> TalkBack not work until it was restarted.
> 
> 
> 
> I don’t know which colleges are available for me to get into, whether the
> college has accessible contact ETC. What colleges near New Mexico would you
> recommend that will allow me to study macOS development? Are there,
> perhaps, any colleges that offer complete online classes? Thanks.
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
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From santiago.blue.hernandez at gmail.com  Fri Aug 24 21:32:19 2018
From: santiago.blue.hernandez at gmail.com (Santiago H)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 14:32:19 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] Suggestions for Colleges that have a macOS Development
 Program
In-Reply-To: <1A36B9F1-953C-4AA1-A8D8-4906550051F9@gmail.com>
References: <CAOcrf8OpTqs7Vvr9Vm-VOC1ybDX7Sz=8PywVfm5fwayB=itq+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<1A36B9F1-953C-4AA1-A8D8-4906550051F9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EAC1AD52-A06C-4A78-A690-C07B1ED6B190@gmail.com>

Hi Lawrence, 
I would also suggest for you to look up information regarding the University of New Mexico. Recently, I heard that a lot of the major tech companies, such as Apple, are starting to drop their college degree requirement. This will open up many more cost effective opportunities, especially since there are various training resources available nation-wide when it comes to learning programming languages. I would only recommend online resources if you're comfortable self-teaching yourself how to develop apps, because that's pretty much what you'll have to do in those cases. If you feel like you'll need additional assistance, then a classroom type setting would work best. 




Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 24, 2018, at 2:05 PM, Mariya Vasileva via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Lawrence, you can start by researching the University of New Mexico, and maybe other neighboring universities. Pretty much all universities offer online degree programs, but for programming, it’s not going to be specific to Apple, because you will need all the skills once you get done with it, to work in all sorts of fields and companies Apple included. I don’t know how your higher level math skills are, but for computer programming or a computer science degree that has a focus in computer programming, you will need the entire Calc series and possibly a few applied math courses as part of your skill set.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 24, 2018, at 16:10, Lawrence Perez via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> My name is Lawrence. I want to go into college for a career that I think I
>> would enjoy. I want to become a computer programmer / software developer
>> focusing on Apple iOS and macOS development, I have a few ideas on computer
>> programming. I want to make a program for the iPhone and the Mac that is
>> similar to QWS, which is software that I use to make and edit my own Midi
>> files. I like to use the Midi format to write and compose my own music, and
>> I want to be able to do that from my phone and not just from my computer.
>> It can be frustrating when I am traveling on the road and I can’t make
>> music with my phone. By the time I get back to my laptop, I forget the song
>> that I had in mind. I have tried GarageBand and other apps, but they are
>> not accessible, and GarageBand is not capable of making a Midi file, and
>> other apps are not accessible. So the app is not only going to be
>> accessible, but sited users can use the app I create, which will allow
>> other people to use the app, not just the blind. I am focusing my
>> development of the app towards the Apple platforms, E. G. iOS and
>> Macintosh, because products already exist for Windows, such as QWS, to
>> create Midi files. Logic is too expensive for Mac users to make Midi files
>> on the Mac, so I want that affordable option for those who don’t have
>> $300.00 for Logic. I have tried Android before, I haven't owned an Android
>> but a friend let me try to use his phone with TalkBack. When I was working
>> with it, Android was challenging to use, and some things would make the
>> TalkBack not work until it was restarted.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I don’t know which colleges are available for me to get into, whether the
>> college has accessible contact ETC. What colleges near New Mexico would you
>> recommend that will allow me to study macOS development? Are there,
>> perhaps, any colleges that offer complete online classes? Thanks.
>> _______________________________________________
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From hstaley at nfbtx.org  Fri Aug 24 21:40:01 2018
From: hstaley at nfbtx.org (Harry Staley)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 16:40:01 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Suggestions for Colleges that have a macOS Development
 Program
In-Reply-To: <CAOcrf8OpTqs7Vvr9Vm-VOC1ybDX7Sz=8PywVfm5fwayB=itq+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOcrf8OpTqs7Vvr9Vm-VOC1ybDX7Sz=8PywVfm5fwayB=itq+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7AECC47E-B552-4ACE-814E-23C1A01465BC@nfbtx.org>

To my knowledge here are none, but there are numerous boot camps that cover these topics. Most colleges tackle things from a more general approach and thus are vendor neutral.

Harry Staley
(330) 718-1876
hstaley at nfbtx.org

> On Aug 24, 2018, at 15:10, Lawrence Perez via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> 
> 
> My name is Lawrence. I want to go into college for a career that I think I
> would enjoy. I want to become a computer programmer / software developer
> focusing on Apple iOS and macOS development, I have a few ideas on computer
> programming. I want to make a program for the iPhone and the Mac that is
> similar to QWS, which is software that I use to make and edit my own Midi
> files. I like to use the Midi format to write and compose my own music, and
> I want to be able to do that from my phone and not just from my computer.
> It can be frustrating when I am traveling on the road and I can’t make
> music with my phone. By the time I get back to my laptop, I forget the song
> that I had in mind. I have tried GarageBand and other apps, but they are
> not accessible, and GarageBand is not capable of making a Midi file, and
> other apps are not accessible. So the app is not only going to be
> accessible, but sited users can use the app I create, which will allow
> other people to use the app, not just the blind. I am focusing my
> development of the app towards the Apple platforms, E. G. iOS and
> Macintosh, because products already exist for Windows, such as QWS, to
> create Midi files. Logic is too expensive for Mac users to make Midi files
> on the Mac, so I want that affordable option for those who don’t have
> $300.00 for Logic. I have tried Android before, I haven't owned an Android
> but a friend let me try to use his phone with TalkBack. When I was working
> with it, Android was challenging to use, and some things would make the
> TalkBack not work until it was restarted.
> 
> 
> 
> I don’t know which colleges are available for me to get into, whether the
> college has accessible contact ETC. What colleges near New Mexico would you
> recommend that will allow me to study macOS development? Are there,
> perhaps, any colleges that offer complete online classes? Thanks.
> _______________________________________________
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From hstaley at nfbtx.org  Fri Aug 24 21:40:48 2018
From: hstaley at nfbtx.org (Harry Staley)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 16:40:48 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Suggestions for Colleges that have a macOS Development
 Program
In-Reply-To: <CAOcrf8OpTqs7Vvr9Vm-VOC1ybDX7Sz=8PywVfm5fwayB=itq+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOcrf8OpTqs7Vvr9Vm-VOC1ybDX7Sz=8PywVfm5fwayB=itq+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8B39395F-78F9-43E2-AB71-2F126DF7CE17@nfbtx.org>

You may find a course or two in the upper division at some colleges though.

Harry Staley
(330) 718-1876
hstaley at nfbtx.org

> On Aug 24, 2018, at 15:10, Lawrence Perez via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> 
> 
> My name is Lawrence. I want to go into college for a career that I think I
> would enjoy. I want to become a computer programmer / software developer
> focusing on Apple iOS and macOS development, I have a few ideas on computer
> programming. I want to make a program for the iPhone and the Mac that is
> similar to QWS, which is software that I use to make and edit my own Midi
> files. I like to use the Midi format to write and compose my own music, and
> I want to be able to do that from my phone and not just from my computer.
> It can be frustrating when I am traveling on the road and I can’t make
> music with my phone. By the time I get back to my laptop, I forget the song
> that I had in mind. I have tried GarageBand and other apps, but they are
> not accessible, and GarageBand is not capable of making a Midi file, and
> other apps are not accessible. So the app is not only going to be
> accessible, but sited users can use the app I create, which will allow
> other people to use the app, not just the blind. I am focusing my
> development of the app towards the Apple platforms, E. G. iOS and
> Macintosh, because products already exist for Windows, such as QWS, to
> create Midi files. Logic is too expensive for Mac users to make Midi files
> on the Mac, so I want that affordable option for those who don’t have
> $300.00 for Logic. I have tried Android before, I haven't owned an Android
> but a friend let me try to use his phone with TalkBack. When I was working
> with it, Android was challenging to use, and some things would make the
> TalkBack not work until it was restarted.
> 
> 
> 
> I don’t know which colleges are available for me to get into, whether the
> college has accessible contact ETC. What colleges near New Mexico would you
> recommend that will allow me to study macOS development? Are there,
> perhaps, any colleges that offer complete online classes? Thanks.
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
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From tyler at tysdomain.com  Fri Aug 24 21:51:35 2018
From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 17:51:35 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Suggestions for Colleges that have a macOS Development
 Program
In-Reply-To: <8B39395F-78F9-43E2-AB71-2F126DF7CE17@nfbtx.org>
References: <CAOcrf8OpTqs7Vvr9Vm-VOC1ybDX7Sz=8PywVfm5fwayB=itq+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<8B39395F-78F9-43E2-AB71-2F126DF7CE17@nfbtx.org>
Message-ID: <7b84f4af-ba17-d48f-81af-b4dbf4dee480@tysdomain.com>

Hello:
First, Garage band is accessible both on the phone and on  OSX and lets
you work with the midi events and everything you need. check out
Applevis (https://applevis.com) for more information, tutorials, etc.

Second, the goal of computer science is to teach you multiple languages,
paradigms and technologies. There will not be a degree just in OSX and
IOS development, nor would you want one. Think about future careers
outside of this midi recorder, because there are all kinds of midi
solutions out there and this isn't going to be your ticket to fame likely.

finally, please note that schools that do teach IOS and OSX development
use XCode, which is what you would use as well. The techniques for using
XCode with Voiceover are vastly different from using it visually though.
Thanks,

On 8/24/2018 5:40 PM, Harry Staley via NABS-L wrote:
> You may find a course or two in the upper division at some colleges though.
>
> Harry Staley
> (330) 718-1876
> hstaley at nfbtx.org
>
>> On Aug 24, 2018, at 15:10, Lawrence Perez via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi.
>>
>>
>>
>> My name is Lawrence. I want to go into college for a career that I think I
>> would enjoy. I want to become a computer programmer / software developer
>> focusing on Apple iOS and macOS development, I have a few ideas on computer
>> programming. I want to make a program for the iPhone and the Mac that is
>> similar to QWS, which is software that I use to make and edit my own Midi
>> files. I like to use the Midi format to write and compose my own music, and
>> I want to be able to do that from my phone and not just from my computer.
>> It can be frustrating when I am traveling on the road and I can’t make
>> music with my phone. By the time I get back to my laptop, I forget the song
>> that I had in mind. I have tried GarageBand and other apps, but they are
>> not accessible, and GarageBand is not capable of making a Midi file, and
>> other apps are not accessible. So the app is not only going to be
>> accessible, but sited users can use the app I create, which will allow
>> other people to use the app, not just the blind. I am focusing my
>> development of the app towards the Apple platforms, E. G. iOS and
>> Macintosh, because products already exist for Windows, such as QWS, to
>> create Midi files. Logic is too expensive for Mac users to make Midi files
>> on the Mac, so I want that affordable option for those who don’t have
>> $300.00 for Logic. I have tried Android before, I haven't owned an Android
>> but a friend let me try to use his phone with TalkBack. When I was working
>> with it, Android was challenging to use, and some things would make the
>> TalkBack not work until it was restarted.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t know which colleges are available for me to get into, whether the
>> college has accessible contact ETC. What colleges near New Mexico would you
>> recommend that will allow me to study macOS development? Are there,
>> perhaps, any colleges that offer complete online classes? Thanks.
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
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From santiago.blue.hernandez at gmail.com  Fri Aug 24 22:19:32 2018
From: santiago.blue.hernandez at gmail.com (Santiago H)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 15:19:32 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] Suggestions for Colleges that have a macOS Development
 Program
In-Reply-To: <7b84f4af-ba17-d48f-81af-b4dbf4dee480@tysdomain.com>
References: <CAOcrf8OpTqs7Vvr9Vm-VOC1ybDX7Sz=8PywVfm5fwayB=itq+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<8B39395F-78F9-43E2-AB71-2F126DF7CE17@nfbtx.org>
	<7b84f4af-ba17-d48f-81af-b4dbf4dee480@tysdomain.com>
Message-ID: <E940EB12-1412-4630-AD83-77E39E05FBAA@gmail.com>

I'd like to second that. If you choose to go to a traditional college, and decide to major in Computer Science, Computer Information Systems, or any other related field, you will be learning more languages, not just Swift. 



Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 24, 2018, at 2:51 PM, Littlefield, Tyler via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello:
> First, Garage band is accessible both on the phone and on  OSX and lets
> you work with the midi events and everything you need. check out
> Applevis (https://applevis.com) for more information, tutorials, etc.
> 
> Second, the goal of computer science is to teach you multiple languages,
> paradigms and technologies. There will not be a degree just in OSX and
> IOS development, nor would you want one. Think about future careers
> outside of this midi recorder, because there are all kinds of midi
> solutions out there and this isn't going to be your ticket to fame likely.
> 
> finally, please note that schools that do teach IOS and OSX development
> use XCode, which is what you would use as well. The techniques for using
> XCode with Voiceover are vastly different from using it visually though.
> Thanks,
> 
>> On 8/24/2018 5:40 PM, Harry Staley via NABS-L wrote:
>> You may find a course or two in the upper division at some colleges though.
>> 
>> Harry Staley
>> (330) 718-1876
>> hstaley at nfbtx.org
>> 
>>> On Aug 24, 2018, at 15:10, Lawrence Perez via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> My name is Lawrence. I want to go into college for a career that I think I
>>> would enjoy. I want to become a computer programmer / software developer
>>> focusing on Apple iOS and macOS development, I have a few ideas on computer
>>> programming. I want to make a program for the iPhone and the Mac that is
>>> similar to QWS, which is software that I use to make and edit my own Midi
>>> files. I like to use the Midi format to write and compose my own music, and
>>> I want to be able to do that from my phone and not just from my computer.
>>> It can be frustrating when I am traveling on the road and I can’t make
>>> music with my phone. By the time I get back to my laptop, I forget the song
>>> that I had in mind. I have tried GarageBand and other apps, but they are
>>> not accessible, and GarageBand is not capable of making a Midi file, and
>>> other apps are not accessible. So the app is not only going to be
>>> accessible, but sited users can use the app I create, which will allow
>>> other people to use the app, not just the blind. I am focusing my
>>> development of the app towards the Apple platforms, E. G. iOS and
>>> Macintosh, because products already exist for Windows, such as QWS, to
>>> create Midi files. Logic is too expensive for Mac users to make Midi files
>>> on the Mac, so I want that affordable option for those who don’t have
>>> $300.00 for Logic. I have tried Android before, I haven't owned an Android
>>> but a friend let me try to use his phone with TalkBack. When I was working
>>> with it, Android was challenging to use, and some things would make the
>>> TalkBack not work until it was restarted.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I don’t know which colleges are available for me to get into, whether the
>>> college has accessible contact ETC. What colleges near New Mexico would you
>>> recommend that will allow me to study macOS development? Are there,
>>> perhaps, any colleges that offer complete online classes? Thanks.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From truewise.8614 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 25 01:01:47 2018
From: truewise.8614 at gmail.com (Vanna Song)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 18:01:47 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] DSM-5 TR
In-Reply-To: <EEA203E0-1524-4058-9AB3-7B4F21D10B95@mtmail.mtsu.edu>
References: <CAPL27qCWo458qOuKgtzxE7EbwN85wwexC0vCUBONmCiFBFp4sQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<EEA203E0-1524-4058-9AB3-7B4F21D10B95@mtmail.mtsu.edu>
Message-ID: <CAOrr3bPQAGWTKnMix=BP9Z97-JXmC=JnjkywTf88Pky6B_-ztg@mail.gmail.com>

Good day,

If you have a librry card to your local public library, they may have
the online version of the DSM5. All you would need to do is log on to
your public library's website with yuor library card number.
Your university may also have an online version.

On 8/24/18, James Alan Boehm via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Good day. I downloaded the DSM 5 from Bookshare last year, and I’m not sure
> exactly what you mean, but from what I can tell I had the full version.
> Also, there is a paid app that you can purchase that is fully accessible and
> it provides the DSM in full. Also, it has the billeted take notes, it
> provides you the ic  Number, and has some in valuable decision trees that
> can help you with diagnosis. I highly recommend it!
>
> James Alan Boehm
> Phone: 901-483-1515
> Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com
> Refer NFB correspondences to:
> JBoehm at NFB-TN.org
>
> "Blindness never limits- Low expectations do! Live the life you want!"
>
>> On Aug 23, 2018, at 9:09 PM, Kiana Harlan via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I'm looking for some resources for finding the full version of the
>> DSM-5 in an accessible format. I've found the shortened desk version
>> on Bookshare, but my professor wants us to be able to access the full
>> version. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated!
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Kiana Harlan
>>
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From misokwak12 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 25 02:55:08 2018
From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 22:55:08 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Introduction and taking the GRE!
In-Reply-To: <bc473874-01e4-9daf-a03e-0830b932b55b@gmail.com>
References: <7B17C7E0-8A27-47CC-98A3-B585AFD04A71@gmail.com>
	<bc473874-01e4-9daf-a03e-0830b932b55b@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A0F7D1F4-C07B-4EED-80D0-8683C25C3DEE@gmail.com>

Bookshare also has some GRE materials available. Quant section would be challenging to practice using those, but you may find them useful for verbal and essay portion.

Best, 
Miso 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 24, 2018, at 3:51 PM, Keri Svendsen via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good afternoon,
> 
> 
> Ets has an accessibility page for the GRE. You can get hard copy braille, amd electronic stuff to practice.
> 
> 
>> On 8/24/2018 3:38 PM, Tara Briggs via NABS-L wrote:
>> Hi all! My name is Tara. Currently, I am a stay at home mom of two little girls. My oldest is for and my youngest is too. This school year, and a couple of weeks, my kids will both be attending preschool. My oldest will attend in the afternoon three days a week and my youngest will attend in the afternoon to days a week. I am hoping to use that time to study for the GRE. However, I have not been in college for 10 years and I’m feeling pretty rusty. What in the world should I use to study for that year you and how do I get it in accessible format? Any help would be beyond welcome! Thank you and I look forward to being on this list.
>> Tara Briggs
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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> -- 
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> 
> 
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From knownoflove at gmail.com  Sat Aug 25 12:03:28 2018
From: knownoflove at gmail.com (Miranda)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 08:03:28 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] DSM-5 TR
In-Reply-To: <EEA203E0-1524-4058-9AB3-7B4F21D10B95@mtmail.mtsu.edu>
References: <CAPL27qCWo458qOuKgtzxE7EbwN85wwexC0vCUBONmCiFBFp4sQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<EEA203E0-1524-4058-9AB3-7B4F21D10B95@mtmail.mtsu.edu>
Message-ID: <3ADE240E-9C27-45E9-B45A-B90C24D52BE1@gmail.com>

Hi James,
What is this app called?
Thanks, and have a wonderful weekend!

Best wishes, Miranda


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 24, 2018, at 7:21 AM, James Alan Boehm via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good day. I downloaded the DSM 5 from Bookshare last year, and I’m not sure exactly what you mean, but from what I can tell I had the full version. Also, there is a paid app that you can purchase that is fully accessible and it provides the DSM in full. Also, it has the billeted take notes, it provides you the ic  Number, and has some in valuable decision trees that can help you with diagnosis. I highly recommend it!
> 
> James Alan Boehm
> Phone: 901-483-1515
> Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com
> Refer NFB correspondences to:
> JBoehm at NFB-TN.org
> 
> "Blindness never limits- Low expectations do! Live the life you want!"
> 
>> On Aug 23, 2018, at 9:09 PM, Kiana Harlan via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I'm looking for some resources for finding the full version of the
>> DSM-5 in an accessible format. I've found the shortened desk version
>> on Bookshare, but my professor wants us to be able to access the full
>> version. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated!
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Kiana Harlan
>> 
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From thflute at gmail.com  Sat Aug 25 15:14:09 2018
From: thflute at gmail.com (Tara Briggs)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 09:14:09 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] Taking the GRE! What were your experiences studying for it
 and what was it like when you took it?
Message-ID: <E1827028-BD25-4D01-8F7B-AED49E45A085@gmail.com>

Hi all! I am writing this email in the hopes of starting a discussion. For those of you who took  the GRE  what was it like? What was it like to study for it? What materials did you use? Any links would be beyond awesome!! Also, my friend has given me the title of a  book but I’m not sure how to get that book an  an accessible format. Can I go back to my alma mater and make a request from them? I’m not a student there anymore but I was. When it came time to take the GRE what accommodations did you use? How did you get through the math section? That’s the one that is making me the most terrified! Nath and I have been bitter  enemies for years and I don’t see that changing anytime soon. Thank you so much for any help!
Tara   

Sent from my iPhone

From janae.burgmeier at gmail.com  Sat Aug 25 16:38:02 2018
From: janae.burgmeier at gmail.com (Janae Burgmeier)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 11:38:02 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Membership call tomorrow
Message-ID: <5CA51B8B-0FD5-4550-8A33-F347770ECED6@gmail.com>

Hello students!  Our next membership call will take place tomorrow Sunday, August 26th at 8 eastern.  We will be getting real and having a conversation about navigating the world of dating and relationships as blind college students. Please help us make this an engaging call by sending us some questions about the topic so we can have some discusión. questions. 

Call in information: 
(712) 770-5197,,265669

Janae Burgmeier 
Outreach chair 
Janae.burgmeier at gmail.com



From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 25 18:43:18 2018
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 14:43:18 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Taking the GRE! What were your experiences studying
 for itand what was it like when you took it?
Message-ID: <5b81a34b.1c69fb81.67a6a.44e4@mx.google.com>

Hi=20Tara,=20I=20took=20the=20GRE=20on=20the=20computer.=20=20ETS=20provide=
s=20a=20nice=20set=20
of=20study=20materials,=20but=20unfortunately=20I=20found=20no=20third=20pa=
rty=20
study=20materials=20for=20math=20that=20were=20accessible.=20=20That=20mean=
s=20we=20
blind=20people=20are=20at=20a=20significant=20disadvantage=20when=20it=20co=
mes=20to=20
studying.=20=20I=20also=20had=20trouble=20with=20math=20and=20didn't=20do=20=
too=20well,=20
but=20the=20actual=20test=20taking=20was=20pretty=20straight=20forward.

HTH,
Karl

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Tara=20Briggs=20via=20NABS-L=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Sat,=2025=20Aug=202018=2009:14:09=20-0600
Subject:=20[NABS-L]=20Taking=20the=20GRE!=20What=20were=20your=20experience=
s=20
studying=20for=20itand=20what=20was=20it=20like=20when=20you=20took=20it?

Hi=20all!=20I=20am=20writing=20this=20email=20in=20the=20hopes=20of=20start=
ing=20a=20
discussion.=20For=20those=20of=20you=20who=20took=20=20the=20GRE=20=20what=
=20was=20it=20like?=20
What=20was=20it=20like=20to=20study=20for=20it?=20What=20materials=20did=20=
you=20use?=20Any=20
links=20would=20be=20beyond=20awesome!!=20Also,=20my=20friend=20has=20given=
=20me=20the=20
title=20of=20a=20=20book=20but=20I=E2=80=99m=20not=20sure=20how=20to=20get=
=20that=20book=20an=20=20an=20
accessible=20format.=20Can=20I=20go=20back=20to=20my=20alma=20mater=20and=20=
make=20a=20
request=20from=20them?=20I=E2=80=99m=20not=20a=20student=20there=20anymore=
=20but=20I=20was.=20
When=20it=20came=20time=20to=20take=20the=20GRE=20what=20accommodations=20d=
id=20you=20
use?=20How=20did=20you=20get=20through=20the=20math=20section?=20That=E2=80=
=99s=20the=20one=20
that=20is=20making=20me=20the=20most=20terrified!=20Nath=20and=20I=20have=20=
been=20bitter=20=20
enemies=20for=20years=20and=20I=20don=E2=80=99t=20see=20that=20changing=20a=
nytime=20soon.=20
Thank=20you=20so=20much=20for=20any=20help!
Tara

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From thflute at gmail.com  Sat Aug 25 19:10:48 2018
From: thflute at gmail.com (Tara Briggs)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 13:10:48 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] Taking the GRE! What were your experiences studying
 for itand what was it like when you took it?
In-Reply-To: <5b81a34b.1c69fb81.67a6a.44e4@mx.google.com>
References: <5b81a34b.1c69fb81.67a6a.44e4@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <810A07BA-CBC7-4106-8432-4C4E7E88176C@gmail.com>

Hi Thank you so much for your reply! Who did you say that provides accessible study material? How can I get access to this material? I gather from your message that the math part is not accessible. What I mean is the math study material is not accessible. Or, is it pretty much all the material for the GRE is in accessible except for one specific place? You mentioned taking the test on a computer, how exactly does that work? Did you use a screen reader? I am sorry for my million questions but I really don’t know where to get started or where to turn. My friend mentioned a book that she used to take the GRE. At the time she took it, she was doing her undergraduate degree. So she was able to get the book made accessible to her by her local university. Unfortunately, she doesn’t have the book anymore because it was on her old computer. I’m happy to purchase the book I just want to be able to read what I purchased and printed and I have not gotten along since my birthday in 1982. Anyway thank you so much for any more assistance.
Tara


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 25, 2018, at 12:43 PM, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tara, I took the GRE on the computer.  ETS provides a nice set of study materials, but unfortunately I found no third party study materials for math that were accessible.  That means we blind people are at a significant disadvantage when it comes to studying.  I also had trouble with math and didn't do too well, but the actual test taking was pretty straight forward.
> 
> HTH,
> Karl
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tara Briggs via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 09:14:09 -0600
> Subject: [NABS-L] Taking the GRE! What were your experiences studying for itand what was it like when you took it?
> 
> Hi all! I am writing this email in the hopes of starting a discussion. For those of you who took  the GRE  what was it like? What was it like to study for it? What materials did you use? Any links would be beyond awesome!! Also, my friend has given me the title of a  book but I’m not sure how to get that book an  an accessible format. Can I go back to my alma mater and make a request from them? I’m not a student there anymore but I was. When it came time to take the GRE what accommodations did you use? How did you get through the math section? That’s the one that is making me the most terrified! Nath and I have been bitter  enemies for years and I don’t see that changing anytime soon. Thank you so much for any help!
> Tara
> 
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From thflute at gmail.com  Sat Aug 25 19:17:50 2018
From: thflute at gmail.com (Tara Briggs)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 13:17:50 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] Taking the GRE! What were your experiences studying
 for itand what was it like when you took it?
In-Reply-To: <5b81a34b.1c69fb81.67a6a.44e4@mx.google.com>
References: <5b81a34b.1c69fb81.67a6a.44e4@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <3604240E-3F06-4F5E-8BF3-62807E8A387F@gmail.com>

Hi! OK, I just did a quick Google search on what you were talking about Anna information was really helpful! So in other words, it sounds to me like the GRE it’s self has some study materials in an accessible format. But if you were looking to get an dish and all supplementary book good luck to you! So how helpful is the study materials that the GRE provides? I guess maybe what I need to do is start there. But my friend really swears by this book so I think I’ll call my old University and start campaigning that they get it to me in an accessible format. After all, I was a past student there and who else can help me? If you get the chance, I would love to hear your experience with actually taking the test. My concern about taking it with a screen reader is that I have found in the past that I am told the screen you can work with things such as blackboard. But this is just wishful thinking on the part of the company that created the blackboard software and I don’t want to deal with a situation on the day I take the GRE. Anyway thanks for any help
Tara

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 25, 2018, at 12:43 PM, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tara, I took the GRE on the computer.  ETS provides a nice set of study materials, but unfortunately I found no third party study materials for math that were accessible.  That means we blind people are at a significant disadvantage when it comes to studying.  I also had trouble with math and didn't do too well, but the actual test taking was pretty straight forward.
> 
> HTH,
> Karl
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tara Briggs via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 09:14:09 -0600
> Subject: [NABS-L] Taking the GRE! What were your experiences studying for itand what was it like when you took it?
> 
> Hi all! I am writing this email in the hopes of starting a discussion. For those of you who took  the GRE  what was it like? What was it like to study for it? What materials did you use? Any links would be beyond awesome!! Also, my friend has given me the title of a  book but I’m not sure how to get that book an  an accessible format. Can I go back to my alma mater and make a request from them? I’m not a student there anymore but I was. When it came time to take the GRE what accommodations did you use? How did you get through the math section? That’s the one that is making me the most terrified! Nath and I have been bitter  enemies for years and I don’t see that changing anytime soon. Thank you so much for any help!
> Tara
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 25 20:13:32 2018
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 16:13:32 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Taking the GRE! What were your experiences studyingfor
 itand what was it like when you took it?
Message-ID: <5b81b871.1c69fb81.b797f.3f8e@mx.google.com>

Hi=20Tara,

ETS=20(Educational=20Testing=20Services)=20is=20the=20company=20that=20prod=
uces=20
the=20GRE.=20=20They=20have=20study=20materials=20on=20their=20website.=20=
=20Once=20you=20
get=20set=20up=20with=20accommodations=20they=20will=20also=20send=20you=20=
practices=20
test=20in=20Braille,=20digital=20practice=20tests=20with=20software=20you=20=
can=20
load=20on=20your=20computer=20that=20is=20the=20same=20software=20you=20wou=
ld=20use=20on=20
the=20test=20if=20you=20took=20it=20electronically.=20=20That's=20good=20be=
cause=20you=20
can=20practice=20with=20the=20built=20in=20screen=20reader=20and=20see=20ho=
w=20it=20reads=20
math=20formulas.=20=20The=20online=20study=20materials=20ETS=20provides=20a=
lso=20have=20
math=20written=20out=20in=20words=20in=20the=20same=20way=20that=20your=20s=
creenreader=20
will=20read=20it.=20=20I=20found=20the=20actual=20test=20taking=20quite=20a=
ccessible.=20=20
Unfortunately=20I=20can't=20help=20with=20the=20book.=20=20Maybe=20if=20you=
=20have=20
friends=20in=20your=20old=20DSS=20office=20they=20would=20do=20it=20for=20y=
ou,=20but=20they=20
certainly=20have=20no=20legal=20obligation=20to=20do=20that=20for=20you.

HTH
Karl

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Tara=20Briggs=20via=20NABS-L=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Sat,=2025=20Aug=202018=2013:10:48=20-0600
Subject:=20Re:=20[NABS-L]=20Taking=20the=20GRE!=20What=20were=20your=20expe=
riences=20
studyingfor=20itand=20what=20was=20it=20like=20when=20you=20took=20it?

Hi=20Thank=20you=20so=20much=20for=20your=20reply!=20Who=20did=20you=20say=
=20that=20
provides=20accessible=20study=20material?=20How=20can=20I=20get=20access=20=
to=20this=20
material?=20I=20gather=20from=20your=20message=20that=20the=20math=20part=20=
is=20not=20
accessible.=20What=20I=20mean=20is=20the=20math=20study=20material=20is=20n=
ot=20
accessible.=20Or,=20is=20it=20pretty=20much=20all=20the=20material=20for=20=
the=20GRE=20is=20
in=20accessible=20except=20for=20one=20specific=20place?=20You=20mentioned=
=20taking=20
the=20test=20on=20a=20computer,=20how=20exactly=20does=20that=20work?=20Did=
=20you=20use=20a=20
screen=20reader?=20I=20am=20sorry=20for=20my=20million=20questions=20but=20=
I=20really=20
don=E2=80=99t=20know=20where=20to=20get=20started=20or=20where=20to=20turn.=
=20My=20friend=20
mentioned=20a=20book=20that=20she=20used=20to=20take=20the=20GRE.=20At=20th=
e=20time=20she=20
took=20it,=20she=20was=20doing=20her=20undergraduate=20degree.=20So=20she=20=
was=20able=20
to=20get=20the=20book=20made=20accessible=20to=20her=20by=20her=20local=20u=
niversity.=20
Unfortunately,=20she=20doesn=E2=80=99t=20have=20the=20book=20anymore=20beca=
use=20it=20was=20
on=20her=20old=20computer.=20I=E2=80=99m=20happy=20to=20purchase=20the=20bo=
ok=20I=20just=20want=20
to=20be=20able=20to=20read=20what=20I=20purchased=20and=20printed=20and=20I=
=20have=20not=20
gotten=20along=20since=20my=20birthday=20in=201982.=20Anyway=20thank=20you=
=20so=20much=20
for=20any=20more=20assistance.
Tara


Sent=20from=20my=20iPhone

=20On=20Aug=2025,=202018,=20at=2012:43=20PM,=20Karl=20Martin=20Adam=20via=20=
NABS-L=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:

=20Hi=20Tara,=20I=20took=20the=20GRE=20on=20the=20computer.=20=20ETS=20prov=
ides=20a=20nice=20
set=20of=20study=20materials,=20but=20unfortunately=20I=20found=20no=20thir=
d=20party=20
study=20materials=20for=20math=20that=20were=20accessible.=20=20That=20mean=
s=20we=20
blind=20people=20are=20at=20a=20significant=20disadvantage=20when=20it=20co=
mes=20to=20
studying.=20=20I=20also=20had=20trouble=20with=20math=20and=20didn't=20do=20=
too=20well,=20
but=20the=20actual=20test=20taking=20was=20pretty=20straight=20forward.

=20HTH,
=20Karl

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20From:=20Tara=20Briggs=20via=20NABS-L=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20To:=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Date=20sent:=20Sat,=2025=20Aug=202018=2009:14:09=20-0600
=20Subject:=20[NABS-L]=20Taking=20the=20GRE!=20What=20were=20your=20experie=
nces=20
studying=20for=20itand=20what=20was=20it=20like=20when=20you=20took=20it?

=20Hi=20all!=20I=20am=20writing=20this=20email=20in=20the=20hopes=20of=20st=
arting=20a=20
discussion.=20For=20those=20of=20you=20who=20took=20=20the=20GRE=20=20what=
=20was=20it=20like?=20
What=20was=20it=20like=20to=20study=20for=20it?=20What=20materials=20did=20=
you=20use?=20Any=20
links=20would=20be=20beyond=20awesome!!=20Also,=20my=20friend=20has=20given=
=20me=20the=20
title=20of=20a=20=20book=20but=20I=E2=80=99m=20not=20sure=20how=20to=20get=
=20that=20book=20an=20=20an=20
accessible=20format.=20Can=20I=20go=20back=20to=20my=20alma=20mater=20and=20=
make=20a=20
request=20from=20them?=20I=E2=80=99m=20not=20a=20student=20there=20anymore=
=20but=20I=20was.=20
When=20it=20came=20time=20to=20take=20the=20GRE=20what=20accommodations=20d=
id=20you=20
use?=20How=20did=20you=20get=20through=20the=20math=20section?=20That=E2=80=
=99s=20the=20one=20
that=20is=20making=20me=20the=20most=20terrified!=20Nath=20and=20I=20have=20=
been=20bitter=20=20
enemies=20for=20years=20and=20I=20don=E2=80=99t=20see=20that=20changing=20a=
nytime=20soon.=20
Thank=20you=20so=20much=20for=20any=20help!
=20Tara

=20Sent=20from=20my=20iPhone
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From amieelsabo at gmail.com  Sat Aug 25 22:32:42 2018
From: amieelsabo at gmail.com (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 16:32:42 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] Purpose of the NABS Email List in the 21st Century?
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR04MB48995A7CD838AD45147E2851BA270@BL0PR04MB4899.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BL0PR04MB48995A7CD838AD45147E2851BA270@BL0PR04MB4899.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAOF1yXFKDBNCCRcJSfk7A=mD3Hvy4aEY7KatuGHV20jkdA42Ww@mail.gmail.com>

hello all,

well, i'am now checking my emails after being off the email land for a
while due topersonal issues. this is a great topic and, I'm glad that
it was brought to the list and the leadership's attention. I am in the
public relations and the media relations venture in my career and, I
use both the email lists here on the nfbnet which along with this list
i'm a active member and, also on other nfbnet lists too! besides using
the email lists I also use my social media platforms for both twitter
and facebook which I have accounts for both and, I do try to stay up
to date on all of them. yes, the nfb does use social media platforms
like twitter and facebook also with youtube as well it's just another
way for people to interact and also, to promote and, also to network
with each other in theorganization. yes, this list and all of the nfb
net lists for email are just asimportant we have soo much more tools
in our toolbox in the field of pr and in marketing in this
organization to educate and, also promote things in the nabs world
and, also in the nfb. it's your priveledge to use whatever form of
coomunications to chat with each other and, before social media
platforms even existed like in the 2000 there was just only these
lists! but, now that we live in the 21st century and, that we live in
the world of pr and networking you can have the opportunity to use
whatever means of communication you wish to use.

well, that's my food for thought on this topic.. take care all and, I
will talk to you all soon!



hugs,
amy

On 8/6/18, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> As the National Association of Blind Students reaches out to new members and
> new partners, there has been an increase in various media platforms used to
> connect with these new members and partners. So in the new age of media
> platforms, how do you see the NABS email list fitting in with these other
> media platforms?
>
> What do you believe should be the purpose of the NABS email list now that we
> use other media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter? Do you still see a
> role for the NABS email list among these new media platforms? If so what do
> you believe the role of the NABS email list should be among these new media
> platforms such as Facebook and Twitter?
>
> I feel as though the discussion on the NABS email list has decreased as
> other media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter have become more popular.
> So I am just curious if there is still a place for the NABS email list in
> the 21st century.
>
> I look forward to receiving your ideas in regards to this matter.
>
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 25 23:22:37 2018
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 19:22:37 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Introduction and taking the GRE!
Message-ID: <5b81e4bf.1c69fb81.4c7dd.5a19@mx.google.com>

If you use the Bard system that was developed through the Library Of Congress, you can look for a Gre text in there. You can also look on the Learning Ally platform.

On Aug 24, 2018 3:38 PM, Tara Briggs via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi all! My name is Tara. Currently, I am a stay at home mom of two little girls. My oldest is for and my youngest is too. This school year, and a couple of weeks, my kids will both be attending preschool. My oldest will attend in the afternoon three days a week and my youngest will attend in the afternoon to days a week. I am hoping to use that time to study for the GRE. However, I have not been in college for 10 years and I’m feeling pretty rusty. What in the world should I use to study for that year you and how do I get it in accessible format? Any help would be beyond welcome! Thank you and I look forward to being on this list.
> Tara Briggs 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From misokwak12 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 26 02:14:39 2018
From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 22:14:39 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Taking the GRE! What were your experiences studyingfor
 itand what was it like when you took it?
In-Reply-To: <5b81b871.1c69fb81.b797f.3f8e@mx.google.com>
References: <5b81b871.1c69fb81.b797f.3f8e@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAMe9x_GYUL+1r01Tohd92xswzVGWdcwRFTrHWNbUqc+PgP6N6Q@mail.gmail.com>

Tara, I took the GRE in 2016 in a paper format.
I used the GRE practice materials the ETS provided plus resources I
was able to find online.
The resources I was able to find online were mostly for the verbal
section and essay prompts.
If you browse around the web, you should be able to find sample
prompts for the writing portion.
Bookshare has quite a few GRE practice books. Most of the verbal
practice materials are useful and only parts of math section are
useful in my opinion.

As far as the actual test, the biggest problem I had was using the
calculator that ETS provided. I had no experience with that particular
model beforehand, because it was not clear to me what kind of
calculator would be provided. To make things worse, there was no
manual of any kind on how to operate the calculator. I mean, the
calculator was pretty self-explanatory but I think it would have been
smoother had there been a a simple, easy-to-follow manual because some
of the buttons were confusing.

Best of luck!

Miso

On 8/25/18, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Tara,
>
> ETS (Educational Testing Services) is the company that produces
> the GRE.  They have study materials on their website.  Once you
> get set up with accommodations they will also send you practices
> test in Braille, digital practice tests with software you can
> load on your computer that is the same software you would use on
> the test if you took it electronically.  That's good because you
> can practice with the built in screen reader and see how it reads
> math formulas.  The online study materials ETS provides also have
> math written out in words in the same way that your screenreader
> will read it.  I found the actual test taking quite accessible.
> Unfortunately I can't help with the book.  Maybe if you have
> friends in your old DSS office they would do it for you, but they
> certainly have no legal obligation to do that for you.
>
> HTH
> Karl
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tara Briggs via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 13:10:48 -0600
> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Taking the GRE! What were your experiences
> studyingfor itand what was it like when you took it?
>
> Hi Thank you so much for your reply! Who did you say that
> provides accessible study material? How can I get access to this
> material? I gather from your message that the math part is not
> accessible. What I mean is the math study material is not
> accessible. Or, is it pretty much all the material for the GRE is
> in accessible except for one specific place? You mentioned taking
> the test on a computer, how exactly does that work? Did you use a
> screen reader? I am sorry for my million questions but I really
> don’t know where to get started or where to turn. My friend
> mentioned a book that she used to take the GRE. At the time she
> took it, she was doing her undergraduate degree. So she was able
> to get the book made accessible to her by her local university.
> Unfortunately, she doesn’t have the book anymore because it was
> on her old computer. I’m happy to purchase the book I just want
> to be able to read what I purchased and printed and I have not
> gotten along since my birthday in 1982. Anyway thank you so much
> for any more assistance.
> Tara
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>  On Aug 25, 2018, at 12:43 PM, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>  Hi Tara, I took the GRE on the computer.  ETS provides a nice
> set of study materials, but unfortunately I found no third party
> study materials for math that were accessible.  That means we
> blind people are at a significant disadvantage when it comes to
> studying.  I also had trouble with math and didn't do too well,
> but the actual test taking was pretty straight forward.
>
>  HTH,
>  Karl
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Tara Briggs via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  Date sent: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 09:14:09 -0600
>  Subject: [NABS-L] Taking the GRE! What were your experiences
> studying for itand what was it like when you took it?
>
>  Hi all! I am writing this email in the hopes of starting a
> discussion. For those of you who took  the GRE  what was it like?
> What was it like to study for it? What materials did you use? Any
> links would be beyond awesome!! Also, my friend has given me the
> title of a  book but I’m not sure how to get that book an  an
> accessible format. Can I go back to my alma mater and make a
> request from them? I’m not a student there anymore but I was.
> When it came time to take the GRE what accommodations did you
> use? How did you get through the math section? That’s the one
> that is making me the most terrified! Nath and I have been bitter
> enemies for years and I don’t see that changing anytime soon.
> Thank you so much for any help!
>  Tara
>
>  Sent from my iPhone
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 26 02:31:42 2018
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 22:31:42 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Taking the GRE! What were your experiences
 studyingforitand what was it like when you took it?
Message-ID: <5b821112.1c69fb81.ca89f.e1cb@mx.google.com>

ETS=20will=20also=20send=20you=20one=20of=20the=20calculators=20you=20will=
=20be=20using=20
to=20practice=20with.=20=20It=20would=20definitely=20be=20nice=20if=20there=
=20were=20a=20
manual=20for=20it=20though!

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Miso=20Kwak=20via=20NABS-L=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Sat,=2025=20Aug=202018=2022:14:39=20-0400
Subject:=20Re:=20[NABS-L]=20Taking=20the=20GRE!=20What=20were=20your=20expe=
riences=20
studyingforitand=20what=20was=20it=20like=20when=20you=20took=20it?

Tara,=20I=20took=20the=20GRE=20in=202016=20in=20a=20paper=20format.
I=20used=20the=20GRE=20practice=20materials=20the=20ETS=20provided=20plus=20=
resources=20
I
was=20able=20to=20find=20online.
The=20resources=20I=20was=20able=20to=20find=20online=20were=20mostly=20for=
=20the=20
verbal
section=20and=20essay=20prompts.
If=20you=20browse=20around=20the=20web,=20you=20should=20be=20able=20to=20f=
ind=20sample
prompts=20for=20the=20writing=20portion.
Bookshare=20has=20quite=20a=20few=20GRE=20practice=20books.=20Most=20of=20t=
he=20verbal
practice=20materials=20are=20useful=20and=20only=20parts=20of=20math=20sect=
ion=20are
useful=20in=20my=20opinion.

As=20far=20as=20the=20actual=20test,=20the=20biggest=20problem=20I=20had=20=
was=20using=20
the
calculator=20that=20ETS=20provided.=20I=20had=20no=20experience=20with=20th=
at=20
particular
model=20beforehand,=20because=20it=20was=20not=20clear=20to=20me=20what=20k=
ind=20of
calculator=20would=20be=20provided.=20To=20make=20things=20worse,=20there=20=
was=20no
manual=20of=20any=20kind=20on=20how=20to=20operate=20the=20calculator.=20I=
=20mean,=20the
calculator=20was=20pretty=20self-explanatory=20but=20I=20think=20it=20would=
=20have=20
been
smoother=20had=20there=20been=20a=20a=20simple,=20easy-to-follow=20manual=20=
because=20
some
of=20the=20buttons=20were=20confusing.

Best=20of=20luck!

Miso

On=208/25/18,=20Karl=20Martin=20Adam=20via=20NABS-L=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20=

wrote:
=20Hi=20Tara,

=20ETS=20(Educational=20Testing=20Services)=20is=20the=20company=20that=20p=
roduces
=20the=20GRE.=20=20They=20have=20study=20materials=20on=20their=20website.=
=20=20Once=20you
=20get=20set=20up=20with=20accommodations=20they=20will=20also=20send=20you=
=20practices
=20test=20in=20Braille,=20digital=20practice=20tests=20with=20software=20yo=
u=20can
=20load=20on=20your=20computer=20that=20is=20the=20same=20software=20you=20=
would=20use=20on
=20the=20test=20if=20you=20took=20it=20electronically.=20=20That's=20good=20=
because=20you
=20can=20practice=20with=20the=20built=20in=20screen=20reader=20and=20see=20=
how=20it=20
reads
=20math=20formulas.=20=20The=20online=20study=20materials=20ETS=20provides=
=20also=20
have
=20math=20written=20out=20in=20words=20in=20the=20same=20way=20that=20your=
=20screenreader
=20will=20read=20it.=20=20I=20found=20the=20actual=20test=20taking=20quite=
=20accessible.
=20Unfortunately=20I=20can't=20help=20with=20the=20book.=20=20Maybe=20if=20=
you=20have
=20friends=20in=20your=20old=20DSS=20office=20they=20would=20do=20it=20for=
=20you,=20but=20
they
=20certainly=20have=20no=20legal=20obligation=20to=20do=20that=20for=20you.=


=20HTH
=20Karl

=20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20From:=20Tara=20Briggs=20via=20NABS-L=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Date=20sent:=20Sat,=2025=20Aug=202018=2013:10:48=20-0600
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[NABS-L]=20Taking=20the=20GRE!=20What=20were=20your=20e=
xperiences
=20studyingfor=20itand=20what=20was=20it=20like=20when=20you=20took=20it?

=20Hi=20Thank=20you=20so=20much=20for=20your=20reply!=20Who=20did=20you=20s=
ay=20that
=20provides=20accessible=20study=20material?=20How=20can=20I=20get=20access=
=20to=20this
=20material?=20I=20gather=20from=20your=20message=20that=20the=20math=20par=
t=20is=20not
=20accessible.=20What=20I=20mean=20is=20the=20math=20study=20material=20is=
=20not
=20accessible.=20Or,=20is=20it=20pretty=20much=20all=20the=20material=20for=
=20the=20GRE=20
is
=20in=20accessible=20except=20for=20one=20specific=20place?=20You=20mention=
ed=20
taking
=20the=20test=20on=20a=20computer,=20how=20exactly=20does=20that=20work?=20=
Did=20you=20use=20
a
=20screen=20reader?=20I=20am=20sorry=20for=20my=20million=20questions=20but=
=20I=20really
=20don=E2=80=99t=20know=20where=20to=20get=20started=20or=20where=20to=20tu=
rn.=20My=20friend
=20mentioned=20a=20book=20that=20she=20used=20to=20take=20the=20GRE.=20At=20=
the=20time=20she
=20took=20it,=20she=20was=20doing=20her=20undergraduate=20degree.=20So=20sh=
e=20was=20able
=20to=20get=20the=20book=20made=20accessible=20to=20her=20by=20her=20local=
=20university.
=20Unfortunately,=20she=20doesn=E2=80=99t=20have=20the=20book=20anymore=20b=
ecause=20it=20
was
=20on=20her=20old=20computer.=20I=E2=80=99m=20happy=20to=20purchase=20the=20=
book=20I=20just=20
want
=20to=20be=20able=20to=20read=20what=20I=20purchased=20and=20printed=20and=
=20I=20have=20not
=20gotten=20along=20since=20my=20birthday=20in=201982.=20Anyway=20thank=20y=
ou=20so=20much
=20for=20any=20more=20assistance.
=20Tara


=20Sent=20from=20my=20iPhone

=20=20On=20Aug=2025,=202018,=20at=2012:43=20PM,=20Karl=20Martin=20Adam=20vi=
a=20NABS-L
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:

=20=20Hi=20Tara,=20I=20took=20the=20GRE=20on=20the=20computer.=20=20ETS=20p=
rovides=20a=20nice
=20set=20of=20study=20materials,=20but=20unfortunately=20I=20found=20no=20t=
hird=20party
=20study=20materials=20for=20math=20that=20were=20accessible.=20=20That=20m=
eans=20we
=20blind=20people=20are=20at=20a=20significant=20disadvantage=20when=20it=20=
comes=20to
=20studying.=20=20I=20also=20had=20trouble=20with=20math=20and=20didn't=20d=
o=20too=20well,
=20but=20the=20actual=20test=20taking=20was=20pretty=20straight=20forward.

=20=20HTH,
=20=20Karl

=20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20=20From:=20Tara=20Briggs=20via=20NABS-L=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20=20To:=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20=20Date=20sent:=20Sat,=2025=20Aug=202018=2009:14:09=20-0600
=20=20Subject:=20[NABS-L]=20Taking=20the=20GRE!=20What=20were=20your=20expe=
riences
=20studying=20for=20itand=20what=20was=20it=20like=20when=20you=20took=20it=
?

=20=20Hi=20all!=20I=20am=20writing=20this=20email=20in=20the=20hopes=20of=20=
starting=20a
=20discussion.=20For=20those=20of=20you=20who=20took=20=20the=20GRE=20=20wh=
at=20was=20it=20
like?
=20What=20was=20it=20like=20to=20study=20for=20it?=20What=20materials=20did=
=20you=20use?=20
Any
=20links=20would=20be=20beyond=20awesome!!=20Also,=20my=20friend=20has=20gi=
ven=20me=20the
=20title=20of=20a=20=20book=20but=20I=E2=80=99m=20not=20sure=20how=20to=20g=
et=20that=20book=20an=20=20an
=20accessible=20format.=20Can=20I=20go=20back=20to=20my=20alma=20mater=20an=
d=20make=20a
=20request=20from=20them?=20I=E2=80=99m=20not=20a=20student=20there=20anymo=
re=20but=20I=20was.
=20When=20it=20came=20time=20to=20take=20the=20GRE=20what=20accommodations=
=20did=20you
=20use?=20How=20did=20you=20get=20through=20the=20math=20section?=20That=E2=
=80=99s=20the=20one
=20that=20is=20making=20me=20the=20most=20terrified!=20Nath=20and=20I=20hav=
e=20been=20
bitter
=20enemies=20for=20years=20and=20I=20don=E2=80=99t=20see=20that=20changing=
=20anytime=20soon.
=20Thank=20you=20so=20much=20for=20any=20help!
=20=20Tara

=20=20Sent=20from=20my=20iPhone
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From keribcu at gmail.com  Sun Aug 26 02:32:00 2018
From: keribcu at gmail.com (Keri Svendsen)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 22:32:00 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Taking the GRE! What were your experiences studying
 for itand what was it like when you took it?
In-Reply-To: <3604240E-3F06-4F5E-8BF3-62807E8A387F@gmail.com>
References: <5b81a34b.1c69fb81.67a6a.44e4@mx.google.com>
	<3604240E-3F06-4F5E-8BF3-62807E8A387F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a4b1d3ef-1fd1-f6b6-3991-93c4e6d40301@gmail.com>

I took the computerized test just last month.

I had braille to go along with the math.

Honestly even with the study materials, I was so lost on the math, and I 
didn't do so well on the test. I'm also a bad test taker.

However, the computer fully worked with jaws, and I had no issues there.


On 8/25/2018 3:17 PM, Tara Briggs via NABS-L wrote:
> Hi! OK, I just did a quick Google search on what you were talking about Anna information was really helpful! So in other words, it sounds to me like the GRE it’s self has some study materials in an accessible format. But if you were looking to get an dish and all supplementary book good luck to you! So how helpful is the study materials that the GRE provides? I guess maybe what I need to do is start there. But my friend really swears by this book so I think I’ll call my old University and start campaigning that they get it to me in an accessible format. After all, I was a past student there and who else can help me? If you get the chance, I would love to hear your experience with actually taking the test. My concern about taking it with a screen reader is that I have found in the past that I am told the screen you can work with things such as blackboard. But this is just wishful thinking on the part of the company that created the blackboard software and I don’t want to deal with a situation on the day I take the GRE. Anyway thanks for any help
> Tara
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 25, 2018, at 12:43 PM, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Tara, I took the GRE on the computer.  ETS provides a nice set of study materials, but unfortunately I found no third party study materials for math that were accessible.  That means we blind people are at a significant disadvantage when it comes to studying.  I also had trouble with math and didn't do too well, but the actual test taking was pretty straight forward.
>>
>> HTH,
>> Karl
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Tara Briggs via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 09:14:09 -0600
>> Subject: [NABS-L] Taking the GRE! What were your experiences studying for itand what was it like when you took it?
>>
>> Hi all! I am writing this email in the hopes of starting a discussion. For those of you who took  the GRE  what was it like? What was it like to study for it? What materials did you use? Any links would be beyond awesome!! Also, my friend has given me the title of a  book but I’m not sure how to get that book an  an accessible format. Can I go back to my alma mater and make a request from them? I’m not a student there anymore but I was. When it came time to take the GRE what accommodations did you use? How did you get through the math section? That’s the one that is making me the most terrified! Nath and I have been bitter  enemies for years and I don’t see that changing anytime soon. Thank you so much for any help!
>> Tara
>>
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From misokwak12 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 26 02:49:05 2018
From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 22:49:05 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Taking the GRE! What were your experiences
 studyingforitand what was it like when you took it?
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I actually didn't receive the calculator when I rquested my materials. Perhaps you should double check that they send you one.
Another tip, if you are taking the paper format, you can request that you use notepad on a computer that has a screen reader when composing your essays.
Miso 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 25, 2018, at 10:31 PM, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> ETS will also send you one of the calculators you will be using to practice with.  It would definitely be nice if there were a manual for it though!
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Miso Kwak via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 22:14:39 -0400
> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Taking the GRE! What were your experiences studyingforitand what was it like when you took it?
> 
> Tara, I took the GRE in 2016 in a paper format.
> I used the GRE practice materials the ETS provided plus resources I
> was able to find online.
> The resources I was able to find online were mostly for the verbal
> section and essay prompts.
> If you browse around the web, you should be able to find sample
> prompts for the writing portion.
> Bookshare has quite a few GRE practice books. Most of the verbal
> practice materials are useful and only parts of math section are
> useful in my opinion.
> 
> As far as the actual test, the biggest problem I had was using the
> calculator that ETS provided. I had no experience with that particular
> model beforehand, because it was not clear to me what kind of
> calculator would be provided. To make things worse, there was no
> manual of any kind on how to operate the calculator. I mean, the
> calculator was pretty self-explanatory but I think it would have been
> smoother had there been a a simple, easy-to-follow manual because some
> of the buttons were confusing.
> 
> Best of luck!
> 
> Miso
> 
> On 8/25/18, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Tara,
> 
> ETS (Educational Testing Services) is the company that produces
> the GRE.  They have study materials on their website.  Once you
> get set up with accommodations they will also send you practices
> test in Braille, digital practice tests with software you can
> load on your computer that is the same software you would use on
> the test if you took it electronically.  That's good because you
> can practice with the built in screen reader and see how it reads
> math formulas.  The online study materials ETS provides also have
> math written out in words in the same way that your screenreader
> will read it.  I found the actual test taking quite accessible.
> Unfortunately I can't help with the book.  Maybe if you have
> friends in your old DSS office they would do it for you, but they
> certainly have no legal obligation to do that for you.
> 
> HTH
> Karl
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tara Briggs via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 13:10:48 -0600
> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Taking the GRE! What were your experiences
> studyingfor itand what was it like when you took it?
> 
> Hi Thank you so much for your reply! Who did you say that
> provides accessible study material? How can I get access to this
> material? I gather from your message that the math part is not
> accessible. What I mean is the math study material is not
> accessible. Or, is it pretty much all the material for the GRE is
> in accessible except for one specific place? You mentioned taking
> the test on a computer, how exactly does that work? Did you use a
> screen reader? I am sorry for my million questions but I really
> don’t know where to get started or where to turn. My friend
> mentioned a book that she used to take the GRE. At the time she
> took it, she was doing her undergraduate degree. So she was able
> to get the book made accessible to her by her local university.
> Unfortunately, she doesn’t have the book anymore because it was
> on her old computer. I’m happy to purchase the book I just want
> to be able to read what I purchased and printed and I have not
> gotten along since my birthday in 1982. Anyway thank you so much
> for any more assistance.
> Tara
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 25, 2018, at 12:43 PM, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tara, I took the GRE on the computer.  ETS provides a nice
> set of study materials, but unfortunately I found no third party
> study materials for math that were accessible.  That means we
> blind people are at a significant disadvantage when it comes to
> studying.  I also had trouble with math and didn't do too well,
> but the actual test taking was pretty straight forward.
> 
> HTH,
> Karl
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tara Briggs via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 09:14:09 -0600
> Subject: [NABS-L] Taking the GRE! What were your experiences
> studying for itand what was it like when you took it?
> 
> Hi all! I am writing this email in the hopes of starting a
> discussion. For those of you who took  the GRE  what was it like?
> What was it like to study for it? What materials did you use? Any
> links would be beyond awesome!! Also, my friend has given me the
> title of a  book but I’m not sure how to get that book an  an
> accessible format. Can I go back to my alma mater and make a
> request from them? I’m not a student there anymore but I was.
> When it came time to take the GRE what accommodations did you
> use? How did you get through the math section? That’s the one
> that is making me the most terrified! Nath and I have been bitter
> enemies for years and I don’t see that changing anytime soon.
> Thank you so much for any help!
> Tara
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From carlos.montas at att.net  Sun Aug 26 16:51:31 2018
From: carlos.montas at att.net (Carlos Montas)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:51:31 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Liberty University
Message-ID: <0B8A921A-23B1-4F54-957B-FFEF7DDBB60A@att.net>

Good afternoon to  NABS.  As some of you may know, I posted a question afew weeks  ago about going to school  online and career transitions.  
I am wondering is there any one  on this list that has or is attending  Liberty University? If so please write  to me off list.  I have been accepted in to the  graduate program.  I am wondering what your experience has been like in all areas. 


From cjmullin225 at aol.com  Sun Aug 26 17:01:17 2018
From: cjmullin225 at aol.com (Connor Mullin)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 13:01:17 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Introduction and taking the GRE!
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Hi Tara,

The only additional piece of advice that I would ad is to make sure that you stay on the Services for Students with Disabilities staff to make sure that you get your calculator and practice materials from them in a timely manner. They never sent me the tutorial for the format of the test I took, and it made test-day a lot more stressful. Finally, if you encounter any shenanigans from ETS, Valerie Yingling at the NFB's national office in Baltimore is really good with helping people out of such jams. I wish you the best of luck on your test!
Connor


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 24, 2018, at 3:38 PM, Tara Briggs via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all! My name is Tara. Currently, I am a stay at home mom of two little girls. My oldest is for and my youngest is too. This school year, and a couple of weeks, my kids will both be attending preschool. My oldest will attend in the afternoon three days a week and my youngest will attend in the afternoon to days a week. I am hoping to use that time to study for the GRE. However, I have not been in college for 10 years and I’m feeling pretty rusty. What in the world should I use to study for that year you and how do I get it in accessible format? Any help would be beyond welcome! Thank you and I look forward to being on this list.
> Tara Briggs 
> 
> 
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From ahbeeorton at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 26 21:10:59 2018
From: ahbeeorton at yahoo.com (Ahbee Orton)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 16:10:59 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] best colleges to attend
Message-ID: <B0C6F36E-0AA2-4C2B-9E55-13196FC25132@yahoo.com>

Hi Everyone, 

  I am in the process of searching for and applying for colleges. I am looking for a small college that has education and business degrees and a highly appreciated and well-used students with disabilities services department. I would like a college who would be willing to Braille my textbooks and materials. Have any of you or someone you know attend or attended such a college? Thank you so much! 

Blessings, 
Ahbee 

“Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”
1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV

From nmpbrat at aol.com  Sun Aug 26 21:29:16 2018
From: nmpbrat at aol.com (nmpbrat at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 17:29:16 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] best colleges to attend
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Message-ID: <1657824185a-1ebc-16621@webjas-vac124.srv.aolmail.net>

What area of the country are you looking at or wanting to be in?
Nicole



-----Original Message-----
From: Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Ahbee Orton <ahbeeorton at yahoo.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 26, 2018 5:12 pm
Subject: [NABS-L] best colleges to attend

Hi Everyone,   I am in the process of searching for and applying for colleges. I am looking for a small college that has education and business degrees and a highly appreciated and well-used students with disabilities services department. I would like a college who would be willing to Braille my textbooks and materials. Have any of you or someone you know attend or attended such a college? Thank you so much! Blessings, Ahbee “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV_______________________________________________NABS-L mailing listNABS-L at nfbnet.orghttp://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.orgTo unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nmpbrat%40aol.com

From ahbeeorton at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 26 21:37:51 2018
From: ahbeeorton at yahoo.com (Ahbee Orton)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 16:37:51 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] best colleges to attend
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	<1657824185a-1ebc-16621@webjas-vac124.srv.aolmail.net>
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Hi Nicole, 

  I live in Alabama, but I am willing to look at other places in the South. Private schools would also work. It just depends on how much scholarships I can get and if they have what I'm looking for. 

Blessings, 
Ahbee 

“Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”
1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV

> On Aug 26, 2018, at 4:29 PM, nmpbrat at aol.com wrote:
> 
> What area of the country are you looking at or wanting to be in?
> Nicole
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> To: nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Ahbee Orton <ahbeeorton at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Sun, Aug 26, 2018 5:12 pm
> Subject: [NABS-L] best colleges to attend
> 
> Hi Everyone, I am in the process of searching for and applying for colleges. I am looking for a small college that has education and business degrees and a highly appreciated and well-used students with disabilities services department. I would like a college who would be willing to Braille my textbooks and materials. Have any of you or someone you know attend or attended such a college? Thank you so much! Blessings, Ahbee “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.” 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nmpbrat%40aol.com

From nmpbrat at aol.com  Sun Aug 26 21:42:01 2018
From: nmpbrat at aol.com (nmpbrat at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 17:42:01 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] best colleges to attend
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Message-ID: <165782fc633-1ec6-16989@webjas-vac057.srv.aolmail.net>

Hi Ahbee,
Unfortunately, I am not going to be of much help, as I live in and went to school in the midwest.  Hopefully someone else on here though has a better idea of colleges down south.  
Good luck to you!
Nicole



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Cc: nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sun, Aug 26, 2018 5:37 pm
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] best colleges to attend



Hi Nicole, 


  I live in Alabama, but I am willing to look at other places in the South. Private schools would also work. It just depends on how much scholarships I can get and if they have what I'm looking for. 


Blessings, 
Ahbee 


“Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”
1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV


On Aug 26, 2018, at 4:29 PM, nmpbrat at aol.com wrote:



What area of the country are you looking at or wanting to be in?
Nicole



-----Original Message-----
From: Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Ahbee Orton <ahbeeorton at yahoo.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 26, 2018 5:12 pm
Subject: [NABS-L] best colleges to attend

Hi Everyone,   I am in the process of searching for and applying for colleges. I am looking for a small college that has education and business degrees and a highly appreciated and well-used students with disabilities services department. I would like a college who would be willing to Braille my textbooks and materials. Have any of you or someone you know attend or attended such a college? Thank you so much! Blessings, Ahbee “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV_______________________________________________NABS-L mailing listNABS-L at nfbnet.orghttp://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.orgTo unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nmpbrat%40aol.com





From singingemmanuelle at gmail.com  Sun Aug 26 22:32:39 2018
From: singingemmanuelle at gmail.com (Emmie Lo)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 18:32:39 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] best colleges to attend
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Hi Ahbee, 

I just started my freshman year at Davidson College in North Carolina. They have a great economics program and an Education Studies minor, but I know of alums who have gone on to be teachers, and there are opportunities for Davidson students to work with kids in Charlotte public schools. Davidson has merit'based scholarships you can apply for, and doesn't include lones in their financial aid packages. But best of all, there disability services are phenominal! They found vendors to produce my Chinese and Economics textbooks in braille. The school is also in the process of making me a 3-d map of campus. I would love to meet you and give you more info if you decide to visit campus, and you can always email me off list for more information. My email address is: singingemmanuelle at gmail.com. 

Best wishes, 
Emmie 

> On Aug 26, 2018, at 5:42 PM, nmpbrat--- via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ahbee,
> Unfortunately, I am not going to be of much help, as I live in and went to school in the midwest.  Hopefully someone else on here though has a better idea of colleges down south.  
> Good luck to you!
> Nicole
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ahbee Orton <ahbeeorton at yahoo.com>
> To: nmpbrat <nmpbrat at aol.com>
> Cc: nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sun, Aug 26, 2018 5:37 pm
> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] best colleges to attend
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Nicole, 
> 
> 
>  I live in Alabama, but I am willing to look at other places in the South. Private schools would also work. It just depends on how much scholarships I can get and if they have what I'm looking for. 
> 
> 
> Blessings, 
> Ahbee 
> 
> 
> “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”
> 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV
> 
> 
> On Aug 26, 2018, at 4:29 PM, nmpbrat at aol.com wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> What area of the country are you looking at or wanting to be in?
> Nicole
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> To: nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Ahbee Orton <ahbeeorton at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Sun, Aug 26, 2018 5:12 pm
> Subject: [NABS-L] best colleges to attend
> 
> Hi Everyone,   I am in the process of searching for and applying for colleges. I am looking for a small college that has education and business degrees and a highly appreciated and well-used students with disabilities services department. I would like a college who would be willing to Braille my textbooks and materials. Have any of you or someone you know attend or attended such a college? Thank you so much! Blessings, Ahbee “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV_______________________________________________NABS-L mailing listNABS-L at nfbnet.orghttp://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.orgTo unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nmpbrat%40aol.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From keribcu at gmail.com  Sun Aug 26 22:42:02 2018
From: keribcu at gmail.com (Keri Svendsen)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 18:42:02 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] best colleges to attend
In-Reply-To: <3B16B165-9D80-4A8C-B580-75DB5CB09D1C@yahoo.com>
References: <B0C6F36E-0AA2-4C2B-9E55-13196FC25132@yahoo.com>
	<1657824185a-1ebc-16621@webjas-vac124.srv.aolmail.net>
	<3B16B165-9D80-4A8C-B580-75DB5CB09D1C@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <a8ec8aab-0d46-12f0-cdb1-4cff536ec590@gmail.com>

Not many schools can braille things, especially small schools.


On 8/26/2018 5:37 PM, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L wrote:
> Hi Nicole,
>
>    I live in Alabama, but I am willing to look at other places in the South. Private schools would also work. It just depends on how much scholarships I can get and if they have what I'm looking for.
>
> Blessings,
> Ahbee
>
> “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”
> 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV
>
>> On Aug 26, 2018, at 4:29 PM, nmpbrat at aol.com wrote:
>>
>> What area of the country are you looking at or wanting to be in?
>> Nicole
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> To: nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Ahbee Orton <ahbeeorton at yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Sun, Aug 26, 2018 5:12 pm
>> Subject: [NABS-L] best colleges to attend
>>
>> Hi Everyone, I am in the process of searching for and applying for colleges. I am looking for a small college that has education and business degrees and a highly appreciated and well-used students with disabilities services department. I would like a college who would be willing to Braille my textbooks and materials. Have any of you or someone you know attend or attended such a college? Thank you so much! Blessings, Ahbee “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.” 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nmpbrat%40aol.com
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-- 
Keri Svendsen




From ahbeeorton at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 26 22:50:43 2018
From: ahbeeorton at yahoo.com (Ahbee Orton)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 17:50:43 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] best colleges to attend
In-Reply-To: <a8ec8aab-0d46-12f0-cdb1-4cff536ec590@gmail.com>
References: <B0C6F36E-0AA2-4C2B-9E55-13196FC25132@yahoo.com>
	<1657824185a-1ebc-16621@webjas-vac124.srv.aolmail.net>
	<3B16B165-9D80-4A8C-B580-75DB5CB09D1C@yahoo.com>
	<a8ec8aab-0d46-12f0-cdb1-4cff536ec590@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B8006944-C42B-4C26-819A-30A282067A6C@yahoo.com>

Hi Emmie, 

  That's awesome about how well they are working with you! I am 18 and am a senior in high school. I hope to take a gap year to attend the LCB training program after graduation. Thank you for the info. 

Blessings, 
Ahbee 

“Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”
1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV

> On Aug 26, 2018, at 5:42 PM, Keri Svendsen via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Not many schools can braille things, especially small schools.
> 
> 
>> On 8/26/2018 5:37 PM, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L wrote:
>> Hi Nicole,
>> 
>>   I live in Alabama, but I am willing to look at other places in the South. Private schools would also work. It just depends on how much scholarships I can get and if they have what I'm looking for.
>> 
>> Blessings,
>> Ahbee
>> 
>> “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”
>> 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV
>> 
>>> On Aug 26, 2018, at 4:29 PM, nmpbrat at aol.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> What area of the country are you looking at or wanting to be in?
>>> Nicole
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Ahbee Orton <ahbeeorton at yahoo.com>
>>> Sent: Sun, Aug 26, 2018 5:12 pm
>>> Subject: [NABS-L] best colleges to attend
>>> 
>>> Hi Everyone, I am in the process of searching for and applying for colleges. I am looking for a small college that has education and business degrees and a highly appreciated and well-used students with disabilities services department. I would like a college who would be willing to Braille my textbooks and materials. Have any of you or someone you know attend or attended such a college? Thank you so much! Blessings, Ahbee “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.” 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nmpbrat%40aol.com
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/keribcu%40gmail.com
> 
> -- 
> Keri Svendsen
> 
> 
> 
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From rob.parso3389 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 27 00:01:36 2018
From: rob.parso3389 at gmail.com (rob.parso3389 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:01:36 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] VABS Bowl With the Blind Event
Message-ID: <006201d43d99$1fdf3740$5f9da5c0$@gmail.com>

Greetings Students and Virginia Federationists

 

With the fall season swiftly approaching, the season of advocacy is upon us
once again. Yes, the month in which the nation's blind raise awareness of
our effectiveness and presence in local and national communities is finally
returning. October is national meet the blind month and like our fellow
affiliates, the National Federation of the Blind of Virginia is hard at work
in preparing their local events to marry awareness and camaraderie between
chapters, friends, and family. Last year, the Virginia Association of Blind
Students executed their first meet the blind month activity with "Bowl with
the Blind, "to overwhelming success and support. As a sign of future great
annual events to come, VABS will be returning with this annual culminating
event. The details are below:

 

Title: VABS "Bowl with the Blind."

Date: Saturday, October 6, 2018

Time: 1pm-4pm

Price: $10 (Covers Three Games and Shoe Rental)

Where: Pin Boys at the Beach

1577 Laskin Rd.

Virginia Beach, VA 23451

 

Stay tuned for ride share and car pool opportunities from Northern Virginia
and Richmond. This year, VABS will be raffling a Google Home Mini during the
event. Ticket prices for the prize will be $1 or five tickets for $3. If you
would like to register for this event, please contact Robert Parsons at
804.801.7674 or rob.parso3389 at gmail.com. I look forward to connecting with
all of you in October. 

 

Sincerely

 

Robert E. Parsons Jr.

Western Michigan University '21

Bachelor of Arts, Sociology and Anthropology

Iota Phi Theta, Inc. '07

Phi Beta Kappa '15

Alpha Phi Omega, Inc. '17

Alpha Kappa Delta '18

Order of Omega '18

Randolph Macon College '18

President, Virginia Association of Blind Students

National Federation of the Blind of Virginia

Phone: 804 801 7674

"Without struggle, there is no progress." -Frederick Douglass

 


From ayoub.zurikat.nfb at gmail.com  Mon Aug 27 01:10:02 2018
From: ayoub.zurikat.nfb at gmail.com (Ayoub Zurikat)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:10:02 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Liberty University
In-Reply-To: <0B8A921A-23B1-4F54-957B-FFEF7DDBB60A@att.net>
References: <0B8A921A-23B1-4F54-957B-FFEF7DDBB60A@att.net>
Message-ID: <1F8495FE-06F1-4229-A239-E201F7B45999@gmail.com>

Hey man,
I am a a liberty University alumni. For some reason I am unable to write to you off the list. Feel free to email me

> On Aug 26, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Carlos Montas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good afternoon to  NABS.  As some of you may know, I posted a question afew weeks  ago about going to school  online and career transitions.  
> I am wondering is there any one  on this list that has or is attending  Liberty University? If so please write  to me off list.  I have been accepted in to the  graduate program.  I am wondering what your experience has been like in all areas. 
> 
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From misokwak12 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 27 01:48:17 2018
From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 21:48:17 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] best colleges to attend
In-Reply-To: <B8006944-C42B-4C26-819A-30A282067A6C@yahoo.com>
References: <B0C6F36E-0AA2-4C2B-9E55-13196FC25132@yahoo.com>
	<1657824185a-1ebc-16621@webjas-vac124.srv.aolmail.net>
	<3B16B165-9D80-4A8C-B580-75DB5CB09D1C@yahoo.com>
	<a8ec8aab-0d46-12f0-cdb1-4cff536ec590@gmail.com>
	<B8006944-C42B-4C26-819A-30A282067A6C@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <60E4EEE8-C524-4D1B-BC5A-C7FC53B0D6E9@gmail.com>

Hi Ahbee and other high school seniors, 
You may know this already, but I want to share and encourage that you apply for admission at your desired universities and colleges this fall, even if you plan to take a gap year to attend a training program such as that at the LCB.
Most universities allow students to defer their enrollment.
This way, you have secured a spot at a university or college while attending the training - this will allow you to focus on the training without having to go through the college application process at the same time that you are in the training. 
Best, 
Miso 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 26, 2018, at 6:50 PM, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Emmie, 
> 
>  That's awesome about how well they are working with you! I am 18 and am a senior in high school. I hope to take a gap year to attend the LCB training program after graduation. Thank you for the info. 
> 
> Blessings, 
> Ahbee 
> 
> “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”
> 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV
> 
>> On Aug 26, 2018, at 5:42 PM, Keri Svendsen via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Not many schools can braille things, especially small schools.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 8/26/2018 5:37 PM, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L wrote:
>>> Hi Nicole,
>>> 
>>>  I live in Alabama, but I am willing to look at other places in the South. Private schools would also work. It just depends on how much scholarships I can get and if they have what I'm looking for.
>>> 
>>> Blessings,
>>> Ahbee
>>> 
>>> “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”
>>> 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 26, 2018, at 4:29 PM, nmpbrat at aol.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> What area of the country are you looking at or wanting to be in?
>>>> Nicole
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Ahbee Orton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> To: nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Ahbee Orton <ahbeeorton at yahoo.com>
>>>> Sent: Sun, Aug 26, 2018 5:12 pm
>>>> Subject: [NABS-L] best colleges to attend
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Everyone, I am in the process of searching for and applying for colleges. I am looking for a small college that has education and business degrees and a highly appreciated and well-used students with disabilities services department. I would like a college who would be willing to Braille my textbooks and materials. Have any of you or someone you know attend or attended such a college? Thank you so much! Blessings, Ahbee “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.” 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nmpbrat%40aol.com
>>> _______________________________________________
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>> 
>> -- 
>> Keri Svendsen
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From bluezinfandel at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 27 13:43:28 2018
From: bluezinfandel at hotmail.com (Ben Fulton)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 13:43:28 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] Learning Chess
Message-ID: <CY4PR22MB05527AE57B7A03CE3016BA75A80B0@CY4PR22MB0552.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

	
Hi all,

I am wondering if anyone here has any good reccomendations on resources I could use to improve my chess skills, like books or tutorials that any one with an interest in chess has found useful.

All the best,
Ben



From jamison.christopher3 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 27 13:50:17 2018
From: jamison.christopher3 at gmail.com (Jamison Christopher)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 08:50:17 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Learning Chess
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR22MB05527AE57B7A03CE3016BA75A80B0@CY4PR22MB0552.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CY4PR22MB05527AE57B7A03CE3016BA75A80B0@CY4PR22MB0552.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <000201d43e0c$e4054fb0$ac0fef10$@gmail.com>

Hey Ben,
I'm speaking for myself, but I learn best by playing the game with someone
who knows how to play the game.  But if it's easier for you to learn by
reading, there are some really good books on bookshare that you can look up.

Respectfully, Jamison

PS:  There are also some chess games on Audiogames.net that you can download
to teach yourself.  They have tips on there, and also a small booklet on how
to play as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Ben Fulton via NABS-L
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 8:43 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Ben Fulton <bluezinfandel at hotmail.com>
Subject: [NABS-L] Learning Chess

	
Hi all,

I am wondering if anyone here has any good reccomendations on resources I
could use to improve my chess skills, like books or tutorials that any one
with an interest in chess has found useful.

All the best,
Ben


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From kaylaweathers51590 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 27 20:52:35 2018
From: kaylaweathers51590 at gmail.com (Kayla Weathers)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 16:52:35 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Learning Chess
In-Reply-To: <000201d43e0c$e4054fb0$ac0fef10$@gmail.com>
References: <CY4PR22MB05527AE57B7A03CE3016BA75A80B0@CY4PR22MB0552.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
	<000201d43e0c$e4054fb0$ac0fef10$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACNPAB5B=gA8H6KNBm2qATS6cRUgruRouDrCXodPxs31AOXXmg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, I believe that the Hadley School for the Blind may offer a course
on how to play chess.
Thanks, Kayla

On 8/27/18, Jamison Christopher via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hey Ben,
> I'm speaking for myself, but I learn best by playing the game with someone
> who knows how to play the game.  But if it's easier for you to learn by
> reading, there are some really good books on bookshare that you can look
> up.
>
> Respectfully, Jamison
>
> PS:  There are also some chess games on Audiogames.net that you can
> download
> to teach yourself.  They have tips on there, and also a small booklet on
> how
> to play as well.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Ben Fulton via NABS-L
> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 8:43 AM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Ben Fulton <bluezinfandel at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [NABS-L] Learning Chess
>
> 	
> Hi all,
>
> I am wondering if anyone here has any good reccomendations on resources I
> could use to improve my chess skills, like books or tutorials that any one
> with an interest in chess has found useful.
>
> All the best,
> Ben
>
>
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>
>
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>


-- 
Kayla Weathers.
B.A. English Literature
Dalton State College


From johnawright98 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 28 22:28:10 2018
From: johnawright98 at gmail.com (johnawright98 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 18:28:10 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Fantasy Football Reminder - Deadline FRIDAY
Message-ID: <4C4CFF40-2451-4DD9-BB78-A3D2D618951B@gmail.com>

*deadline approaching*
Let’s go students, let’s go! It is that time of the year again, football season! That means the National Association of Blind Students is excited to present the 2018-2019 NABS Fantasy Football League. This year, we are opening up four leagues with up to 12 managers per league. The cost to enter a league is $30 with the winner of each league winning $150. We will be using the Yahoo Fantasy Sports platform, so download the app today! Once the leagues are set in place, we will set up a draft date that works for everyone. So do you think you have the skills and knowledge to manage your team to victory? Then sign up today! Spots will be filling up fast. Help support the National Association of Blind Students, and lets have some friendly competition. The last day to sign up is THIS FRIDAY, August 31st.

Claim your spot today by filling out this registration form: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSes9iSFBotyE5T6extimatWLCEMFn__btQSTnl6G0TI0RFGkA/viewform?usp=sf_link 

If you have any questions feel free to reach out to commissioner Dustin Cather at cather.dustin at gmail.com

Best of luck to all!

Johna Wright
Vice President, National Federation of the Blind Community Service Division 
Social Media Chair, National Association of Blind Students

From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Tue Aug 28 23:14:00 2018
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 16:14:00 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] Anyone Taken a Journalism Course?
Message-ID: <B213E68F-76C0-405A-A7E0-842F2F3DB56F@gmail.com>

Hi All,
I just started my classes this week, and I'm really enjoying them.
Today, I had my intro to journalism class. Besides reading, writing and research, all of which is of course very doable, it will sometimes be necessary to take photos. Photos are encouraged in the news articles we write, and we will also have a photo packet assignment which will be explained later on in the semester.
I have a meeting with my teacher within the next week, and was wondering how you all dealt with photo assignments. My teacher seems to be very accommodating. I know she could probably exempt me from taking photos and give me an alternative packet assignment, but I also know that in the big picture (pun intended) professionally, blind journalists would probably still be expected to have some photos to make the article more engaging for sighted readers.
Any thoughts?
Vejas 




From keribcu at gmail.com  Tue Aug 28 23:45:29 2018
From: keribcu at gmail.com (Keri Svendsen)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 19:45:29 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Anyone Taken a Journalism Course?
In-Reply-To: <B213E68F-76C0-405A-A7E0-842F2F3DB56F@gmail.com>
References: <B213E68F-76C0-405A-A7E0-842F2F3DB56F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b032c68a-1bad-d051-3525-816d95203bdb@gmail.com>

If you have Aira you could have them help you get photos. If not you can 
see if a friend could help.


On 8/28/2018 7:14 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote:
> Hi All,
> I just started my classes this week, and I'm really enjoying them.
> Today, I had my intro to journalism class. Besides reading, writing and research, all of which is of course very doable, it will sometimes be necessary to take photos. Photos are encouraged in the news articles we write, and we will also have a photo packet assignment which will be explained later on in the semester.
> I have a meeting with my teacher within the next week, and was wondering how you all dealt with photo assignments. My teacher seems to be very accommodating. I know she could probably exempt me from taking photos and give me an alternative packet assignment, but I also know that in the big picture (pun intended) professionally, blind journalists would probably still be expected to have some photos to make the article more engaging for sighted readers.
> Any thoughts?
> Vejas
>
>
>
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From michael.ausbun at gmail.com  Wed Aug 29 01:09:16 2018
From: michael.ausbun at gmail.com (michael.ausbun at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 18:09:16 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] Anyone Taken a Journalism Course?
In-Reply-To: <B213E68F-76C0-405A-A7E0-842F2F3DB56F@gmail.com>
References: <B213E68F-76C0-405A-A7E0-842F2F3DB56F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00d701d43f34$e89a1b90$b9ce52b0$@gmail.com>

Hello Vejas,
	My first initial thought is to go about hiring someone, much like
you would a reader. That is, creating some sort of job-announcement to put
up on bulletin boards around campus, posting on craigslist, asking around
(particularly in artsy areas of the university), etc. Although in this
instance you are not hiring someone to read, you are looking for quality
work in a visual medium-perfect for something like this. I would personally
caution against asking a friend or family member; unless you are certain
that the quality of pictures will meet your desired specifications.
Alternatively, as was suggested, AIRA could be a perfect solution to this
problem, if you have the service.
I will continue to brainstorm ideas; be back in touch soon.
Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun
Secretary Treasurer, Louisiana Association of Blind Students

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NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 4:14 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
Subject: [NABS-L] Anyone Taken a Journalism Course?

Hi All,
I just started my classes this week, and I'm really enjoying them.
Today, I had my intro to journalism class. Besides reading, writing and
research, all of which is of course very doable, it will sometimes be
necessary to take photos. Photos are encouraged in the news articles we
write, and we will also have a photo packet assignment which will be
explained later on in the semester.
I have a meeting with my teacher within the next week, and was wondering how
you all dealt with photo assignments. My teacher seems to be very
accommodating. I know she could probably exempt me from taking photos and
give me an alternative packet assignment, but I also know that in the big
picture (pun intended) professionally, blind journalists would probably
still be expected to have some photos to make the article more engaging for
sighted readers.
Any thoughts?
Vejas 



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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 29 12:02:47 2018
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 08:02:47 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Anyone Taken a Journalism Course?
Message-ID: <5b868b6a.1c69fb81.ab04e.862e@mx.google.com>

Hi Vejas thanks for your message. When I took a Journalism course in college, we did not have to complete an assignment like this. I would write an email to your teacher and explain that you are blind, and ask her how else you can complete this assignment. When I was taking Principles Of Advertising, we had to make a collage as our first project. When I wrote to my teacher and explained that I was totally blind, she had me write an essay about all of the equipment that I use to complete my assignments. 

On Aug 28, 2018 7:14 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi All, 
> I just started my classes this week, and I'm really enjoying them. 
> Today, I had my intro to journalism class. Besides reading, writing and research, all of which is of course very doable, it will sometimes be necessary to take photos. Photos are encouraged in the news articles we write, and we will also have a photo packet assignment which will be explained later on in the semester. 
> I have a meeting with my teacher within the next week, and was wondering how you all dealt with photo assignments. My teacher seems to be very accommodating. I know she could probably exempt me from taking photos and give me an alternative packet assignment, but I also know that in the big picture (pun intended) professionally, blind journalists would probably still be expected to have some photos to make the article more engaging for sighted readers. 
> Any thoughts? 
> Vejas 
>
>
>
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From johnawright98 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 30 15:22:42 2018
From: johnawright98 at gmail.com (johnawright98 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 11:22:42 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Outreach Committee Call on Monday
Message-ID: <E09170AC-523B-40A0-B973-80442F338395@gmail.com>

Good morning, students! School is back in session for most of us, so we understand how busy you are, but we would love it if you could spare a bit of time and join us on our Outreach Committee call Monday! It will be taking place at 9pmEST/6pmPST. Call 712-770-5197 access code 265669. All are welcome. 
Johna Wright
Vice President, National Federation of the Blind Community Service Division 
Social Media Chair, National Association of Blind Students

From mauraloberg at gmail.com  Thu Aug 30 17:46:55 2018
From: mauraloberg at gmail.com (Maura Loberg)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 12:46:55 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] applications and scholarships
Message-ID: <5b882d94.1c69fb81.191f6.58ff@mx.google.com>

Hello All!
I am a senior in high school and I am being pressured to start thinking about my future. I would like to take a gap year next year to attend the Colorado Center for blindness skills training. I plan to attend college soon after, and would love to know if I should apply now and defer my enrollment or wait till the next application season rolls around. I would also like to apply for scholarships, but I don't know how it would work to hold the money over an extra year. I don't want to stress about this much next year, and I would like to be secure in my education. Any ideas or advice would be greatly appreciated. 
Thanks!

From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Thu Aug 30 18:17:37 2018
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 11:17:37 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] applications and scholarships
In-Reply-To: <5b882d94.1c69fb81.191f6.58ff@mx.google.com>
References: <5b882d94.1c69fb81.191f6.58ff@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <7B5E4FF2-B1A4-48EA-B2CB-0F16BC61324F@gmail.com>

Hi Maura,

That's cool you'll go to CCB.
I think that each person's approach to this question will be different but I'll tell you what I did. I went to LCB between senior year of high school and freshman year of college.
I applied to colleges senior year. That way, I would have the guidance of the college and career staff, and had the option to apply again during training if something went wrong. I had a few friends who applied for college during their training, and while it was doable, it was more difficult because they could not really visit the schools while they were training.
When I got accepted to college in senior year, I asked to have my enrollment deferred, though I still had to pay for my commitment deposit.
I waited to apply for scholarships while in training, though, because a lot of scholarships ly given out directly for the next year and can't be deferred. You should still stay in touch with some teachers, because of letters of recommendation, though.
Hope this helps,
Vejas 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 30 Aug 2018, at 10:46, Maura Loberg via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All!
> I am a senior in high school and I am being pressured to start thinking about my future. I would like to take a gap year next year to attend the Colorado Center for blindness skills training. I plan to attend college soon after, and would love to know if I should apply now and defer my enrollment or wait till the next application season rolls around. I would also like to apply for scholarships, but I don't know how it would work to hold the money over an extra year. I don't want to stress about this much next year, and I would like to be secure in my education. Any ideas or advice would be greatly appreciated. 
> Thanks!
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From mauraloberg at gmail.com  Thu Aug 30 19:34:27 2018
From: mauraloberg at gmail.com (Maura Loberg)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 14:34:27 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] applications and scholarships
Message-ID: <5b8846c7.1c69fb81.ee907.7b1a@mx.google.com>

Thanks so much.

On Aug 30, 2018 1:17 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Maura, 
>
> That's cool you'll go to CCB. 
> I think that each person's approach to this question will be different but I'll tell you what I did. I went to LCB between senior year of high school and freshman year of college. 
> I applied to colleges senior year. That way, I would have the guidance of the college and career staff, and had the option to apply again during training if something went wrong. I had a few friends who applied for college during their training, and while it was doable, it was more difficult because they could not really visit the schools while they were training. 
> When I got accepted to college in senior year, I asked to have my enrollment deferred, though I still had to pay for my commitment deposit. 
> I waited to apply for scholarships while in training, though, because a lot of scholarships ly given out directly for the next year and can't be deferred. You should still stay in touch with some teachers, because of letters of recommendation, though. 
> Hope this helps, 
> Vejas 
>
> Sent from my iPhone 
>
> > On 30 Aug 2018, at 10:46, Maura Loberg via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: 
> > 
> > Hello All! 
> > I am a senior in high school and I am being pressured to start thinking about my future. I would like to take a gap year next year to attend the Colorado Center for blindness skills training. I plan to attend college soon after, and would love to know if I should apply now and defer my enrollment or wait till the next application season rolls around. I would also like to apply for scholarships, but I don't know how it would work to hold the money over an extra year. I don't want to stress about this much next year, and I would like to be secure in my education. Any ideas or advice would be greatly appreciated. 
> > Thanks! 
> > _______________________________________________ 
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From michael.ausbun at gmail.com  Thu Aug 30 20:10:09 2018
From: michael.ausbun at gmail.com (michael.ausbun at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 13:10:09 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] upper level math, bio and chem
Message-ID: <019701d4409d$74254630$5c6fd290$@gmail.com>

Hello NABSters,
	Hope you are all doing well! Recently, I have been contacted by a
blind student here in the great state of Louisiana. This student wants to
know of successful, non-visual techniques for completing collegiate
coursework in upper level maths (calc 1-3, differential equations, numerical
methods, etc.), and science-oriented biology and chemistry (biochem, organic
chem, microbio, etc.). Being that I was humanities-oriented, and have only
studied STEM subjects informally, I thought I would reach out to the
experts.
Anyone have suggestions that I can pass along?
Much love,
Michael Ausbun
Secretary - treasurer, Louisiana Association of Blind Students
Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Nevada




From eschlenker at cox.net  Thu Aug 30 20:27:49 2018
From: eschlenker at cox.net (Emily Schlenker)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 15:27:49 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] upper level math, bio and chem
In-Reply-To: <VYDg1y02N2qgo5R01YDhx8>
References: <VYDg1y02N2qgo5R01YDhx8>
Message-ID: <9BF99E8B-F0A0-4C08-A948-F224511A314D@cox.net>

Hi there. Put the student in touch with me. I am completing a biology bachelor science with the chemistry minor in preparation to go to pharmacy school.

Emily Schlenker 316-644-4227

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 30, 2018, at 3:10 PM, michael Ausbun via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello NABSters,
>    Hope you are all doing well! Recently, I have been contacted by a
> blind student here in the great state of Louisiana. This student wants to
> know of successful, non-visual techniques for completing collegiate
> coursework in upper level maths (calc 1-3, differential equations, numerical
> methods, etc.), and science-oriented biology and chemistry (biochem, organic
> chem, microbio, etc.). Being that I was humanities-oriented, and have only
> studied STEM subjects informally, I thought I would reach out to the
> experts.
> Anyone have suggestions that I can pass along?
> Much love,
> Michael Ausbun
> Secretary - treasurer, Louisiana Association of Blind Students
> Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Nevada
> 
> 
> 
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 31 02:01:55 2018
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 02:01:55 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] Anyone Taken a Journalism Course?
In-Reply-To: <B213E68F-76C0-405A-A7E0-842F2F3DB56F@gmail.com>
References: <B213E68F-76C0-405A-A7E0-842F2F3DB56F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BL0PR04MB48994BF62A5931184077E2ECBA0F0@BL0PR04MB4899.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Hello Vejas,

I have heard of other blind people being able to take photographs with their IPhone. I  believe the IPhone lets you know if there are any people in the photograph you are about to take as well as how many people appear in the photograph. So perhaps you might want to see if this option would work for you.

However, if you are specifically looking for someone to take photographs for you, perhaps you could find a student in the photography department or a photography club on campus. Alternatively, you could also look for a local photography club off campus through something like Meet Up.

I asked a classmate who was a photography major to help me take some photographs for me to use in a presentation for a research project. I feel like this worked rather well for me. However, if you choose to have someone else take the photographs for you, make sure to be as specific as possible as to what you would like the photograph to look like. 

I told the person who was taking photographs for me to take a picture of a particular person for me. However, I forgot to mention that I wanted a photograph of this person as if they were working before other people would appear in the photograph. As a result, I got a nice photograph of this person smiling and waving at the camera when what I really wanted was a more natural pose of this person working.

Anyway, I hope this information helps you decide the best way to take photographs for this class. Let me know if you have any further questions about my experience using someone else to help me take photographs for my research project.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 7:14 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
Subject: [NABS-L] Anyone Taken a Journalism Course?

Hi All,
I just started my classes this week, and I'm really enjoying them.
Today, I had my intro to journalism class. Besides reading, writing and research, all of which is of course very doable, it will sometimes be necessary to take photos. Photos are encouraged in the news articles we write, and we will also have a photo packet assignment which will be explained later on in the semester.
I have a meeting with my teacher within the next week, and was wondering how you all dealt with photo assignments. My teacher seems to be very accommodating. I know she could probably exempt me from taking photos and give me an alternative packet assignment, but I also know that in the big picture (pun intended) professionally, blind journalists would probably still be expected to have some photos to make the article more engaging for sighted readers.
Any thoughts?
Vejas 



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From santiago.blue.hernandez at gmail.com  Fri Aug 31 02:17:08 2018
From: santiago.blue.hernandez at gmail.com (Santiago H)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 19:17:08 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] Anyone Taken a Journalism Course?
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR04MB48994BF62A5931184077E2ECBA0F0@BL0PR04MB4899.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <B213E68F-76C0-405A-A7E0-842F2F3DB56F@gmail.com>
	<BL0PR04MB48994BF62A5931184077E2ECBA0F0@BL0PR04MB4899.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <34A77C35-1F77-4F3C-AEF2-018AAED9EC5D@gmail.com>

Hello, 
If you have Aira, you can also get help from an agent when it comes to taking pictures. The agent can help you focus the camera, and they can take the photo, and send it to you with a description. 

Thanks, 
Santiago 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 30, 2018, at 7:01 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Vejas,
> 
> I have heard of other blind people being able to take photographs with their IPhone. I  believe the IPhone lets you know if there are any people in the photograph you are about to take as well as how many people appear in the photograph. So perhaps you might want to see if this option would work for you.
> 
> However, if you are specifically looking for someone to take photographs for you, perhaps you could find a student in the photography department or a photography club on campus. Alternatively, you could also look for a local photography club off campus through something like Meet Up.
> 
> I asked a classmate who was a photography major to help me take some photographs for me to use in a presentation for a research project. I feel like this worked rather well for me. However, if you choose to have someone else take the photographs for you, make sure to be as specific as possible as to what you would like the photograph to look like. 
> 
> I told the person who was taking photographs for me to take a picture of a particular person for me. However, I forgot to mention that I wanted a photograph of this person as if they were working before other people would appear in the photograph. As a result, I got a nice photograph of this person smiling and waving at the camera when what I really wanted was a more natural pose of this person working.
> 
> Anyway, I hope this information helps you decide the best way to take photographs for this class. Let me know if you have any further questions about my experience using someone else to help me take photographs for my research project.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 7:14 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
> Subject: [NABS-L] Anyone Taken a Journalism Course?
> 
> Hi All,
> I just started my classes this week, and I'm really enjoying them.
> Today, I had my intro to journalism class. Besides reading, writing and research, all of which is of course very doable, it will sometimes be necessary to take photos. Photos are encouraged in the news articles we write, and we will also have a photo packet assignment which will be explained later on in the semester.
> I have a meeting with my teacher within the next week, and was wondering how you all dealt with photo assignments. My teacher seems to be very accommodating. I know she could probably exempt me from taking photos and give me an alternative packet assignment, but I also know that in the big picture (pun intended) professionally, blind journalists would probably still be expected to have some photos to make the article more engaging for sighted readers.
> Any thoughts?
> Vejas 
> 
> 
> 
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From jrzobek at gmail.com  Fri Aug 31 11:46:12 2018
From: jrzobek at gmail.com (Jonathan Zobek)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 07:46:12 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] KNFB Reader
Message-ID: <5234913E-BAC2-4122-9DEF-DA8E62F536AB@gmail.com>

Hello NABS!

As we all know, professors always use inaccessible documents.  I am trying to listen to some using KNFB Reader on my iPad, but with the most recent update, I am running into a problem.  The speech pauses after every sentence, and I have to hit the play button to make it read the next sentence, then it stops, then I have to hit the play button, and so foth.  Is there a way to get KNFB Reader to read the document continuously? 

Thanks!
Jonathan

Sent from my iPad

From santiago.blue.hernandez at gmail.com  Fri Aug 31 12:10:08 2018
From: santiago.blue.hernandez at gmail.com (Santiago H)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 05:10:08 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] KNFB Reader
In-Reply-To: <5234913E-BAC2-4122-9DEF-DA8E62F536AB@gmail.com>
References: <5234913E-BAC2-4122-9DEF-DA8E62F536AB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <97776B97-91A3-4ADC-A236-DB3274E2B7C8@gmail.com>

Hello, 
I think that might be a bug with the latest update. KNFB Reader reads continuously on my phone. 



Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 31, 2018, at 4:46 AM, Jonathan Zobek via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello NABS!
> 
> As we all know, professors always use inaccessible documents.  I am trying to listen to some using KNFB Reader on my iPad, but with the most recent update, I am running into a problem.  The speech pauses after every sentence, and I have to hit the play button to make it read the next sentence, then it stops, then I have to hit the play button, and so foth.  Is there a way to get KNFB Reader to read the document continuously? 
> 
> Thanks!
> Jonathan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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From sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com  Fri Aug 31 21:06:29 2018
From: sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 17:06:29 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] upper level math, bio and chem
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Hi There,
Please pass along my email - I studied calculus until second year
(multivariable), linear algebra, statistics, and economics at university. My
major was in economics and international relations, for reference. I'd be
happy to give advice, but it's easier to advise when I have some context.
I'd be curious if anyone would want to write a "how-to" guide with me on the
subject; I think brainstorming on this one is a great idea.
Have a good one,
Sarah

Sarah Jevnikar
http://www.Twitter.com/sarahjevnikar
sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com



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From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of michael Ausbun
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Sent: August 30, 2018 4:10 PM
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Cc: michael.ausbun at gmail.com
Subject: [NABS-L] upper level math, bio and chem

Hello NABSters,
	Hope you are all doing well! Recently, I have been contacted by a
blind student here in the great state of Louisiana. This student wants to
know of successful, non-visual techniques for completing collegiate
coursework in upper level maths (calc 1-3, differential equations, numerical
methods, etc.), and science-oriented biology and chemistry (biochem, organic
chem, microbio, etc.). Being that I was humanities-oriented, and have only
studied STEM subjects informally, I thought I would reach out to the
experts.
Anyone have suggestions that I can pass along?
Much love,
Michael Ausbun
Secretary - treasurer, Louisiana Association of Blind Students
Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Nevada



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