From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  1 05:59:12 2018
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly)
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2018 00:59:12 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] [nabs-l] college and travel question
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No I think my question is more is there a safe way to cross the parking lot after I get off the bus then using something like Uber which will take me straight to the door?

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 5, 2017, at 19:18, Ellana Crew via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Nesma,
> 
> To clarify, are you asking if there is an alternative way to deal with parking lots besides walking and navigating through them?
> 
> Ellana Crew, President
> Maryland Association of Blind Students
> 443-758-7211
> nfbmd.org/students
> facebook.com/mdabs.federation
> @MDABS_NFB
> 
> The Maryland Association of Blind Students knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind students because low expectations create obstacles between blind students and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
> 
>> On Dec 5, 2017, at 6:17 PM, nesma aly via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I was on a mobility lesson today and I had to cross a busy parking lot. My
>> teacher told me that I will have to rely on another mode of transportation
>> other than a bus. I thought there must be another way to do parking lots in
>> a safe way that doesn't need me to use something that will take me directly
>> to the location. I was wondering how blind people accomplish something like
>> this? 
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From bluezinfandel at hotmail.com  Mon Jan  1 16:01:12 2018
From: bluezinfandel at hotmail.com (Ben Fulton)
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2018 16:01:12 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] [nabs-l] college and travel question
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Parking lots are one of the most challenging obstacles I can think of. There
is always some way around, but it can take a very long time to find it.
Sometimes when tracing the perimeter the space between the car and the
building is not wide enough to walk through, so I've had to walk around the
back of each parked car. If parking lots were designed with tiles like in
some subway stations I've been in this problem would be considerably less.
Often times when getting off a bus near a location with a challenging
parking lot, I may ask for sighted assistance, but this I know relies on the
kindness of strangers.

 
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No I think my question is more is there a safe way to cross the parking lot
after I get off the bus then using something like Uber which will take me
straight to the door?

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 5, 2017, at 19:18, Ellana Crew via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> Hi Nesma,
> 
> To clarify, are you asking if there is an alternative way to deal with
parking lots besides walking and navigating through them?
> 
> Ellana Crew, President
> Maryland Association of Blind Students
> 443-758-7211
> nfbmd.org/students
> facebook.com/mdabs.federation
> @MDABS_NFB
> 
> The Maryland Association of Blind Students knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
expectations of blind students because low expectations create obstacles
between blind students and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
blindness is not what holds you back.
> 
>> On Dec 5, 2017, at 6:17 PM, nesma aly via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>> 
>> I was on a mobility lesson today and I had to cross a busy parking 
>> lot. My teacher told me that I will have to rely on another mode of 
>> transportation other than a bus. I thought there must be another way 
>> to do parking lots in a safe way that doesn't need me to use 
>> something that will take me directly to the location. I was wondering 
>> how blind people accomplish something like this?
> _______________________________________________




From mausam.mehta00 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  1 18:14:27 2018
From: mausam.mehta00 at gmail.com (Mausam Mehta)
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2018 13:14:27 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Knit VS. Crochet
Message-ID: <D2EDBA41-78C2-4594-99C0-7D286110336F@gmail.com>

Hi all,
Bringing in the new year, I've been considering various art forms to occupy my free time. I've been debating between knitting and crochet, but frankly I don't know much about either. It seems that there are many different schools of thought regarding both; knitting is faster, crochet is easier, etc. I guess it really has to do with personal preference.
 My attempts at crochet thus far have been dismal.  Would any of you know of any resources that would make either of them a little easier to grasp and understand? YouTube videos, unfortunately, aren't working for me because they are completely visual, and I have found that many of those with site tend to have different methods.
Thanks in advance, and best wishes for the new year.

From alliefa1999 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  1 18:48:05 2018
From: alliefa1999 at gmail.com (Alexandra Alfonso)
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2018 13:48:05 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Tech In College
Message-ID: <C4E709E4-68F7-4735-81E7-6DB8461B9775@gmail.com>

Hello,
I am a senior in high school, and am trying to figure out what to use in college. Should I use a ipad, computer, braillenote touch, braillenote apex, or something else? What do you use? Whats the most practical?
Thank you in advance.

From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Mon Jan  1 19:41:54 2018
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2018 14:41:54 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] [nabs-l] college and travel question
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Hey Nesma:

Parking lots are certainly tricky, but they are doable. The best trick I have found is the universal rule of most outdoor travel: Remember where your parallel street is, and keep track of both landmarks and traffic sounds. If you have a landmark like a curb or wall which can point you in the direction of the sidewalk, you can follow it with your cane. However, if you rely too heavily on that landmark, you can end up following it until you turn with it in a direction you don't want to go in. So, I think the most relile  information you can get is from the sounds of passing cars, particularly those on your parallel street. for example, if your parallel street is on your left, you can listen to the cars coming from that direction and follow them until you find the sidewalk. Even if you hear little or no traffic on your parallel, you can sweep your cane widely in the direction of the street. The sidewalk will always be on that side.

HTH,

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 1, 2018, at 12:59 AM, nesma aly via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> No I think my question is more is there a safe way to cross the parking lot after I get off the bus then using something like Uber which will take me straight to the door?
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Dec 5, 2017, at 19:18, Ellana Crew via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Nesma,
>> 
>> To clarify, are you asking if there is an alternative way to deal with parking lots besides walking and navigating through them?
>> 
>> Ellana Crew, President
>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>> 443-758-7211
>> nfbmd.org/students
>> facebook.com/mdabs.federation
>> @MDABS_NFB
>> 
>> The Maryland Association of Blind Students knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind students because low expectations create obstacles between blind students and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
>> 
>>> On Dec 5, 2017, at 6:17 PM, nesma aly via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I was on a mobility lesson today and I had to cross a busy parking lot. My
>>> teacher told me that I will have to rely on another mode of transportation
>>> other than a bus. I thought there must be another way to do parking lots in
>>> a safe way that doesn't need me to use something that will take me directly
>>> to the location. I was wondering how blind people accomplish something like
>>> this? 
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From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Mon Jan  1 19:52:17 2018
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2018 13:52:17 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] Tech In College
Message-ID: <5a4a9173.8b53810a.549b9.0742@mx.google.com>

Hey Alexandra,

I hope you and all of my NABS friends are having a happy new year. There isn't a one-size-fits-all answer to your question. I am a sophomore in college, and for classes and simple assignments, I use a BrailleNote Touch. For me, this is a huge improvement over the Apex, because it can work with a wider array of file types and the internet and email are superior. I like having the ability to look at a braille display as I'm typing, without having to worry about bluetooth connections draining the battery of my devices. However, I recognize that the BN Touch is super expensive, and my way may not suit everyone. I use an iPhone for a lot of my reading assignments, because a lot of my books are either on Amazon or iBooks. KNFB Reader is worth every penny you will spend on it, if you don't already have it. Many teachers provide PDF's that are images and need to be scanned with an OCR app. I just download the PDF to my phone, send it through KNFB Reader, and voila. I also have a laptop. If you don't want to buy a BN Touch, you can pair a laptop with a braille display, and that works just as well. I wouldn't recokmend an iPad, because it does pretty much what the iPhone does. I think there are a few apps you can use on the iPad that don't work with the phone, but I don't know a lot about those. I'd say your best bet is a laptop with a braille display or a notetaker. Good luck with the last half of your senior year!

Yours sincerely,
Sophie Trist

On Jan 1, 2018 12:48 PM, Alexandra Alfonso via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hello, 
> I am a senior in high school, and am trying to figure out what to use in college. Should I use a ipad, computer, braillenote touch, braillenote apex, or something else? What do you use? Whats the most practical? 
> Thank you in advance. 
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From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  1 19:55:49 2018
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly)
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2018 14:55:49 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Tech In College
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It will depend on what you want to use that technology for. For example, if you want to take notes, read books and other things in braille, then a  braillenote will be your best option. If you want multitasking features like the alt+tab to move from one document to another then your best option will be a computer. You also might want to consider the wait of each of the mention devices.

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 1, 2018, at 13:48, Alexandra Alfonso via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I am a senior in high school, and am trying to figure out what to use in college. Should I use a ipad, computer, braillenote touch, braillenote apex, or something else? What do you use? Whats the most practical?
> Thank you in advance.
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From dandrews at visi.com  Mon Jan  1 20:46:22 2018
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2018 14:46:22 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] Knit VS. Crochet
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We have a list for crafters, where they can probably give you good 
info on this, they have classes via e-mail or phone and more. The 
address to subscribe is 
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-krafters-korner_nfbnet.org

or send e-mail to nfb-krafters-korner-request at nfbnet.org and put the 
word subscribe on the subject line.

Dave

At 12:14 PM 1/1/2018, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>Bringing in the new year, I've been considering various art forms to 
>occupy my free time. I've been debating between knitting and 
>crochet, but frankly I don't know much about either. It seems that 
>there are many different schools of thought regarding both; knitting 
>is faster, crochet is easier, etc. I guess it really has to do with 
>personal preference.
>  My attempts at crochet thus far have been dismal.  Would any of 
> you know of any resources that would make either of them a little 
> easier to grasp and understand? YouTube videos, unfortunately, 
> aren't working for me because they are completely visual, and I 
> have found that many of those with site tend to have different methods.
>Thanks in advance, and best wishes for the new year.



From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  2 04:59:38 2018
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 10:29:38 +0530
Subject: [NABS-L] Accessible guided meditation iPhone apps
Message-ID: <788C6D09-6D57-411B-9A38-05D78E8EDC52@gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

I was wondering if you guys could suggest an accessible guided meditation iOS app. By guided, I mean someone should walk you through the steps involved.
Headspace was my favourite app, but it has unfortunately become quite inaccessible. Thanks for your help.

Best,
Rahul

Sent from my iPhone

From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Tue Jan  2 11:11:03 2018
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 12:11:03 +0100
Subject: [NABS-L] Tech In College
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I think it mostly depends on whether you are interested in using braille or not. If Braille is important to you than a notetaker with a built in braille display is probably the best option. Otherwise I would say a laptop is much better simply because the range of applications that you will be able to use is much larger, and it will be more compatible with devices other people are using. A laptop will also perform much better with mail attachments or other files you might encounter in different situations. I am a Mac user and find that the current 12 inch MacBook is very good for taking notes and for most things that one might need to do on a daily basis. It’s very light, and has all day battery life. There are many great options available on the Windows side as well and they might be a bit cheaper.
It also depends on what you are planning on studying in college. There are classes that might require you to use specific programs that are not available on braille notetakers. In those cases you will need to use a regular computer anyways and it probably won’t make sense to carry around so many things.
Hope it helps!

Sent from my iPhone

> On 1 Jan 2018, at 20:55, nesma aly via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> It will depend on what you want to use that technology for. For example, if you want to take notes, read books and other things in braille, then a  braillenote will be your best option. If you want multitasking features like the alt+tab to move from one document to another then your best option will be a computer. You also might want to consider the wait of each of the mention devices.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jan 1, 2018, at 13:48, Alexandra Alfonso via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I am a senior in high school, and am trying to figure out what to use in college. Should I use a ipad, computer, braillenote touch, braillenote apex, or something else? What do you use? Whats the most practical?
>> Thank you in advance.
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From MISTER.ALEXANDER.SCOTT.KAISER.I.1.0.3.0.1.9.9.0 at gmx.us  Tue Jan  2 14:51:46 2018
From: MISTER.ALEXANDER.SCOTT.KAISER.I.1.0.3.0.1.9.9.0 at gmx.us (MISTER, ., ., ALEXANDER, ., ., SCOTT, ., ., KAISER, ., ., I, ., .,
	)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 09:51:46 -0500
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Hello this is Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser I. You can most practically use the
Braille Sense Polaris, and Voc Rehab would do the assessment  for the
technology device and tell you how much training you will need on operation
of the device. Hope this helps. If you have any questions E-Mail me off list
at ASKaiser99 at outlook.com, and,
MISTER.ALEXANDER.SCOTT.KAISER.I.1.0.3.0.1.9.9.0 at GMX.US.
From,
Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser I.
P,.,S,., Thank you, and, I hope you have a very spectacular, and, very
wonderful day!



From sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com  Tue Jan  2 15:08:30 2018
From: sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 10:08:30 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Tech In College
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Hi there,
I was lucky enough to have a pc and a pac mate, which gave me access to
applications like q-read and Kurzweil, but also allowed me to take lecture
notes in Braille. This was most helpful for my math classes. Pac mates are
on the archaic side now, so having something newer would be an idea,
especially if it can double as a Braille display for your laptop and/or your
phone, and also as a stand-alone unit so you can benefit from its
portability and extended battery life. My pac mate wasn't a particularly
good Braille display for my pc, so should I continue my schooling I would
opt for a different device.
I hope this is somewhat helpful,
Sarah


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Hello this is Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser I. You can most practically use the
Braille Sense Polaris, and Voc Rehab would do the assessment  for the
technology device and tell you how much training you will need on operation
of the device. Hope this helps. If you have any questions E-Mail me off list
at ASKaiser99 at outlook.com, and,
MISTER.ALEXANDER.SCOTT.KAISER.I.1.0.3.0.1.9.9.0 at GMX.US.
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From mausam.mehta00 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  2 15:53:27 2018
From: mausam.mehta00 at gmail.com (Mausam Mehta)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 10:53:27 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Tech In College
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Hey Allie,
A braille note taker or a laptop with the braille display would be extremely helpful. I'm going the route of the laptop with a display, but it really depends on exactly what you're going for and how you prefer to view and complete coursework. I might also suggest an embosser, for when you may need to braille presentation slides or view something in Alinia format. I don't think it's completely necessary, but it might be good to have. As for software, it would probably be a good idea to get Kurzweil, because it has lots of scanning and editing capabilities for PDFs.
Shoot me a text off list if you want to discuss any of that.
Best,
Mausam

> On Jan 2, 2018, at 9:51 AM, MISTER, ., ., ALEXANDER, ., ., SCOTT, ., ., KAISER, ., ., I, ., ., via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello this is Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser I. You can most practically use the
> Braille Sense Polaris, and Voc Rehab would do the assessment  for the
> technology device and tell you how much training you will need on operation
> of the device. Hope this helps. If you have any questions E-Mail me off list
> at ASKaiser99 at outlook.com, and,
> MISTER.ALEXANDER.SCOTT.KAISER.I.1.0.3.0.1.9.9.0 at GMX.US.
> From,
> Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser I.
> P,.,S,., Thank you, and, I hope you have a very spectacular, and, very
> wonderful day!
> 
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From gutz2020 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  2 16:37:18 2018
From: gutz2020 at gmail.com (Dan)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 10:37:18 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] Accessible guided meditation iPhone apps
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I really like insight timer. I started using it about a year ago and haven’t had any problems with it so far. There is a bunch of different types of meditation: guided, motivational talks,  and just calming music. For the most part it’s accessible, but it is a little bit confusing to start off with. If you need any help email me off list!
Insight Timer - Meditation App by Insight Network Inc https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/insight-timer-meditation-app/id337472899?mt=8

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 1, 2018, at 22:59, Rahul Bajaj via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I was wondering if you guys could suggest an accessible guided meditation iOS app. By guided, I mean someone should walk you through the steps involved.
> Headspace was my favourite app, but it has unfortunately become quite inaccessible. Thanks for your help.
> 
> Best,
> Rahul
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  2 23:56:07 2018
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 18:56:07 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] [nabs-l] college and travel question
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References: <024b01d36e1f$33f0ffb0$9bd2ff10$@gmail.com>	<0734832E-33E5-47E1-8201-81C87A03BD3B@gmail.com>	<3F6CBB4E-A0AE-45BE-BDD2-3F935634298B@gmail.com>
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That depends upon the parking lot.  What chris told you works well.  Go back
out there and practice it if you can on your own.  Just find the walking
pattern you need to get you ot the destination from the bus.  

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
via NABS-L
Sent: Monday, January 1, 2018 2:42 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Chris Nusbaum <cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] [nabs-l] college and travel question

Hey Nesma:

Parking lots are certainly tricky, but they are doable. The best trick I
have found is the universal rule of most outdoor travel: Remember where your
parallel street is, and keep track of both landmarks and traffic sounds. If
you have a landmark like a curb or wall which can point you in the direction
of the sidewalk, you can follow it with your cane. However, if you rely too
heavily on that landmark, you can end up following it until you turn with it
in a direction you don't want to go in. So, I think the most relile
information you can get is from the sounds of passing cars, particularly
those on your parallel street. for example, if your parallel street is on
your left, you can listen to the cars coming from that direction and follow
them until you find the sidewalk. Even if you hear little or no traffic on
your parallel, you can sweep your cane widely in the direction of the
street. The sidewalk will always be on that side.

HTH,

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 1, 2018, at 12:59 AM, nesma aly via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> No I think my question is more is there a safe way to cross the parking
lot after I get off the bus then using something like Uber which will take
me straight to the door?
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Dec 5, 2017, at 19:18, Ellana Crew via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Nesma,
>> 
>> To clarify, are you asking if there is an alternative way to deal with
parking lots besides walking and navigating through them?
>> 
>> Ellana Crew, President
>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>> 443-758-7211
>> nfbmd.org/students
>> facebook.com/mdabs.federation
>> @MDABS_NFB
>> 
>> The Maryland Association of Blind Students knows that blindness is not
the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
expectations of blind students because low expectations create obstacles
between blind students and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
blindness is not what holds you back.
>> 
>>> On Dec 5, 2017, at 6:17 PM, nesma aly via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>>> 
>>> I was on a mobility lesson today and I had to cross a busy parking 
>>> lot. My teacher told me that I will have to rely on another mode of 
>>> transportation other than a bus. I thought there must be another way 
>>> to do parking lots in a safe way that doesn't need me to use 
>>> something that will take me directly to the location. I was 
>>> wondering how blind people accomplish something like this?
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From syedrizvinfb at gmail.com  Wed Jan  3 02:48:39 2018
From: syedrizvinfb at gmail.com (Syed Rizvi)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 20:48:39 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] Last Legislative Advocacy Committee Call Prior to Seminar
Message-ID: <CAAqtePR769OchBj1M1b4Pi820K2bHU6aTz8Q48kFjehM7wTq+w@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Legislative Advocacy Committee,

Happy new year.

With Washington seminar practically upon us, we need to tie up the
remaining loose ends.

Next Tuesday, January 2nd, we will meet at 8PM eastern to plan an info call
for the membership, discuss letters and finalize the workshop agenda.

The call-in number is 7127705197 and the access code is 265669.

Hope to speak with you all soon.

Sincerely,

Syed Rizvi

2nd VP NABS

SyedRizviNFB at GMail.com

4132503523

From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Jan  3 20:51:44 2018
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 15:51:44 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] [nABS-L] [nabs-l] Music Therapy
In-Reply-To: <CAJcYH69aRzfouWCgyWAbqq3jzAq_KMSaXNyphi+vaczNxkr2+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJcYH69aRzfouWCgyWAbqq3jzAq_KMSaXNyphi+vaczNxkr2+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BA957E54A3F044449CCE18A9B3DFE434@OwnerPC>

there is not a list; but you could try the human services list which has 
many types of theripists.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Sandra Gayer via NABS-L
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 6:19 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Sandra Gayer
Subject: [nABS-L] [nabs-l] Music Therapy

Hello Everyone,
I seem to remember someone mentioning an NFB list for Music Therapy
students/practitioners. I tried to search on the Internet but couldn't
find it. Does anyone remember where to find it?

I hope everyone here finds 2018 to be less trying than this year.
Sandra.

-- 
Sandra Gayer DipABRSM.

Soprano Singer
www.sandragayer.com

Broadcast Presenter
www.rnibconnectradio.org.uk/music-box.html

Actor
www.visablepeople.com

Voiceover Artist
www.archangelvoices.co.uk/content/sandra-gayer

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From janae.burgmeier at gmail.com  Thu Jan  4 13:44:08 2018
From: janae.burgmeier at gmail.com (Janae Burgmeier)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 07:44:08 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] Fundraising Call
Message-ID: <36B4528F-DAD7-49B8-910D-9B67BEA355F3@gmail.com>

Greetings!  I hope everyone is having a great start to 2018. Please join us for the very first fundraising committee call of 2018!  We will be exchanging ideas and identifying possible events for the next few months and we will also be identifying specific volunteer opportunities for Washington Seminar, if you are joining us in DC, this is a great way to get involved! 

9pm eastern this coming Monday January 8th. 
‭(712) 770-5197
Code 265669‬

From codybeardslee at gmail.com  Fri Jan  5 01:52:46 2018
From: codybeardslee at gmail.com (Cody Beardslee)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 19:52:46 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] Event Planning Call
Message-ID: <14087995-CCC8-44A3-8BDD-076BB04F6783@gmail.com>

Attention all students,

Come check out our final event planning committee call before Washington Seminar next Thursday January 11th at 9pm eastern. 
Below is the conference line info: 


Call 712-770-5197
Code: 265669

Hope to hear you on the call. 

Cody Beardslee 
Treasurer, National Association of Blind Students 
President, Minnesota Association of Blind Students 
Board Member, National Federation of the Blind of Minnesota 
Phone: 763-291-3711
Work Email: cbeardslee at blindinc.org 
LIVE THE LIFE YOU WANT! 

From amieelsabo at gmail.com  Sat Jan  6 03:26:13 2018
From: amieelsabo at gmail.com (Amy Sabo)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 20:26:13 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] [nABS-L] [nabs-l] Music Therapy
In-Reply-To: <CAJcYH69aRzfouWCgyWAbqq3jzAq_KMSaXNyphi+vaczNxkr2+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJcYH69aRzfouWCgyWAbqq3jzAq_KMSaXNyphi+vaczNxkr2+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOF1yXFOq575zKLqZX9fk4Mdiyco+GchCZFiN9Sw6ZV+jYbcgA@mail.gmail.com>

hello Sandra,

no, there's isn't a list for your chosen career but, I will forward
your message onto the performing arts division list. where i'm sure
that someone on that list can assist you more better since your are
looking into the performing arts avenue!



hugs,
amy

On 12/31/17, Sandra Gayer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
> I seem to remember someone mentioning an NFB list for Music Therapy
> students/practitioners. I tried to search on the Internet but couldn't
> find it. Does anyone remember where to find it?
>
> I hope everyone here finds 2018 to be less trying than this year.
> Sandra.
>
> --
> Sandra Gayer DipABRSM.
>
> Soprano Singer
> www.sandragayer.com
>
> Broadcast Presenter
> www.rnibconnectradio.org.uk/music-box.html
>
> Actor
> www.visablepeople.com
>
> Voiceover Artist
> www.archangelvoices.co.uk/content/sandra-gayer
>
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From amieelsabo at gmail.com  Sat Jan  6 04:06:56 2018
From: amieelsabo at gmail.com (Amy Sabo)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 21:06:56 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] Tech In College
In-Reply-To: <C4E709E4-68F7-4735-81E7-6DB8461B9775@gmail.com>
References: <C4E709E4-68F7-4735-81E7-6DB8461B9775@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOF1yXEgGbRCKAx77+rt0COqDh9PZEpc8DqjJFjyAaKieL3Yxw@mail.gmail.com>

hello Alexandra and all,

sorry, for the late response to this message. but, when I started my
college journey in 2000 I got jfw and kurzwell from the commission for
the blind in Michigan which I used. I also got a voicenote qt which
was helpful since i'm a very slow braille person. I had that notetaker
until 2004 when I finally got a laptop which I have used in my college
and work endeavors! both the notetaker and the laptop are good for
doing all college work in the classroom and, oiut of the classroom
but, you need to overview the weight of both of them and, also the
battery life of them! the notetaker has more battery life but the
laptop is not as light in weight unless you get a laptop which is
light in weight! also, in getting technology for the classroom and
stuff thenotetaker is good there are many times when you will have to
send it away to have it fixed because when I had mine I had to send it
away to get it fixed which too a long time to get back and, if your
laptop is broken you don't have to send it away you can get it fixed
right away at a local computer store.

so, that's my thoughts on which products in technology you should you
use.. there's no one item you to use you can use all of your tech
items which are your tools in your tool box!  take care and, good
luck!



hugs,
amy

On 1/1/18, Alexandra Alfonso via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello,
> I am a senior in high school, and am trying to figure out what to use in
> college. Should I use a ipad, computer, braillenote touch, braillenote apex,
> or something else? What do you use? Whats the most practical?
> Thank you in advance.
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From amieelsabo at gmail.com  Sat Jan  6 04:32:11 2018
From: amieelsabo at gmail.com (Amy Sabo)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 21:32:11 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] [nabs-l] Sheet music
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR22MB03425B7AF47CAC8916E12EB3A8050@CY4PR22MB0342.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CY4PR22MB03425B7AF47CAC8916E12EB3A8050@CY4PR22MB0342.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAOF1yXHXRuhh4i=Pa626UTbFYkgc+7tGV_W5xkGN6MfMA8ASmQ@mail.gmail.com>

hello ben,

that's awesome that you got a piano for Christmas and, you want to
play it and, your braille isn't good.. I can understand because I
never learned to play a musical instrument myself but, in the 6th
grade I tried playing the cornet which is like the trumpet and, I
couldn't do it due to not being able to read the music. so, that I was
in choir all until my senior year of high school. I had to do most of
it by hear since I couldn't read the sheet music well because of the
loss of my vision. I hope that you can learn on how to play the piano
with the lessons on line.

take care and good luck!



hugs,
amy

On 12/29/17, Ben Fulton via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I recently got a piano for Christmas. I used to play and am interested in
> learning more songs, but I am not very good at figuring out songs by ear
> alone.
>
> I know about time signatures and chords (well maybe not all of them) but if
> someone says a c major half not I know what to play.
>
> My braille is horrible, and I don't even have a display. I use jaws for
> everything.
>
> I'm wondering what is out there in a digital form that would let me know
> how
> to play popular songs. I have a list of songs that I would like to learn,
> but I don't know how to get music that I can read.
>
> I'm not even sure what the conventions for writing this out really are.
> I would think something like -- Bar 1 left hand c major whole note right
> hand 1/4 d 1/4 d 1/2e Second bar left hand c7 whole note  right hand 1/4 f
> 1/4f 1/2 G sharp -- or something like that
>  If someone could point me to a source where I could learn how to play
> popular songs I would really appreciate that.
>
> Kind regards,
> Ben
>
>
>
>
>
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From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Sat Jan  6 21:18:57 2018
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 15:18:57 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] braille accents in Spanish
Message-ID: <5a513d4a.03466b0a.215a3.e12a@mx.google.com>

Hi NABS people,

Hope everyone's spring semester is getting off to a good start! I start school on Monday and have one more question about my impending Spanish course. Is it possible to write Spanish accents in braille on the BrailleNote Touch? I know the accent signs, and I've created a speech profile with a Spanish voice and Spanish braille tables, but the accent signs still come across as the contractions they represent in English. For instance, when I type dots 2-3-4-5-6, it comes out as "with" instead of U acute. Is there a way to remedy this?

Yours sincerely,
Sophie Trist

From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Sun Jan  7 02:25:43 2018
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 18:25:43 -0800
Subject: [NABS-L] braille accents in Spanish
In-Reply-To: <5a513d4a.03466b0a.215a3.e12a@mx.google.com>
References: <5a513d4a.03466b0a.215a3.e12a@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <569EDD7D-82EE-4831-A1F7-F14BEB9BC297@gmail.com>

Hi Sophie,
I don't have a Touch, but  am replying in the that  this might help and that you get more responses soon.

For my Apex in Spanish class, I've had to write the  accents the "wrong" way, by doing dot 4 and the letter you want. So for an a accent, I would do a dot 4 and an a instead of dots 12356. While this isn't the best solution, and might confuse you, it should allow your teachers to be able to recognize your accents.
HTH
Vejas 

> On Jan 6, 2018, at 13:18, Sophie Trist via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi NABS people,
> 
> Hope everyone's spring semester is getting off to a good start! I start school on Monday and have one more question about my impending Spanish course. Is it possible to write Spanish accents in braille on the BrailleNote Touch? I know the accent signs, and I've created a speech profile with a Spanish voice and Spanish braille tables, but the accent signs still come across as the contractions they represent in English. For instance, when I type dots 2-3-4-5-6, it comes out as "with" instead of U acute. Is there a way to remedy this?
> 
> Yours sincerely,
> Sophie Trist
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From shawnmmayo at gmail.com  Mon Jan  8 21:57:32 2018
From: shawnmmayo at gmail.com (Shawn Mayo)
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 15:57:32 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] summer positions at the Iowa Department for the Blind
Message-ID: <003201d388cb$afa633c0$0ef29b40$@gmail.com>

If you want to  pass along  your belief in blindness and teach nonvisual
skills to blind teenagers while having fun and getting paid, please apply to
work at the Iowa Department for the Blind this summer! The info is below and
applications are due Monday, January 15, 2018.

 

Iowa Department for the Blind 

JOB ANNOUNCEMENT

 

Summer Youth Counselor 

POSTING DATE: December 21, 2017

Closing Date: January 15, 2018

Location: Des Moines, Iowa

PART TIME/FULL TIME STATUS: up to 12 Temporary/Full-Time Positions

 

SALARY: $16.20/hr. Expected total salary to be approximately $7,500. 

 

JOB DESCRIPTION:

 

Temporary Summer Youth Counselors will support the mission, vision and
values of the Iowa Department for the Blind. Counselors will mentor youth
ages 14-21 during IDB's two month residential summer program. Roles will be
assigned based on staff skills and interests, but will include assisting to
teach alternative techniques of blindness through classes such as braille,
cane travel, assistive technology, home and personal management and
woodshop, or teaching alternative techniques of blindness through assisting
students in their apartments and during evening and weekend activities. 

 

Examples of duties:

 

Support student learning through braille, technology, home management, shop
and cane travel instruction.

Reinforce blindness skills learned in Orientation Center classes through
assisting students with daily living tasks, meal planning and preparation,
laundry, homework, and cleaning and organizing apartments.

Assist students in participating in activities in the community such as
eating at restaurants, shopping, bowling and rock climbing. Reinforce proper
cane technique and other nonvisual skills during these activities.

Serve as a role model to students in the use of nonvisual techniques and
problem-solving skills.

Ensure safety of students by monitoring student behavior and the student
living areas.

Communicate with other summer program staff regarding student needs and
progress. Document student progress including written student reports at the
end of the summer. 

Perform other duties as assigned.

 

Essential functions of this position:

 

Demonstrate and promote a positive philosophy of blindness

Monitor student behavior and living areas

Communicate effectively, verbally and in writing, in the English language.

Demonstrate proper use of the long White cane

Read and write braille

Actively participate in all summer program activities

 

Work Schedule: May 31 - August 16, 2018, plus the potential for a few paid
conference calls or webinars prior to May 31. Summer youth counselors will
work approximately forty hours per week, with the potential for some
overtime. Schedules will vary based on assigned duties.

 

It is the policy of the Department for the Blind to conduct background
checks on all finalist candidates prior to any offer of employment. 

 

 
MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS:                                            

High school diploma or equivalent

 

TO APPLY:

Note: This is a courtesy posting for a non merit position. 

 

Positions in this class are exempt from the screening and referral
requirements of the Iowa Department of Administrative Services - Human
Resources Enterprise. Applications to DAS-HRE only, will not be considered.

 

Interested applicants must send a cover letter and resume to:

Helen Stevens

Education and Training Director

Iowa Department for the Blind

524 Fourth Street

Des Moines, IA 50309

 <mailto:helen.stevens at blind.state.ia.us> helen.stevens at blind.state.ia.us 


From mausam.mehta00 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  8 22:08:42 2018
From: mausam.mehta00 at gmail.com (Mausam Mehta)
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 17:08:42 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Summer opportunities
Message-ID: <62B8D7A4-2A92-44EB-8887-1A208E1C245C@gmail.com>

Hi all,
Hope everyone's Spring semester is starting off well.
I was wondering if anybody would know of any interesting summer opportunities. It's my last summer before college, so I want to do something enriching that my widen my scope of experiences. My original thought was to work with or mentor blind youth, but I'm really open to anything.
I posted a similar question in another group, so I apologize if it seems like you've already seen this before.
I would love your suggestions.
 Best,
Mausam


From misokwak12 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  8 22:19:48 2018
From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 14:19:48 -0800
Subject: [NABS-L] Summer opportunities
In-Reply-To: <62B8D7A4-2A92-44EB-8887-1A208E1C245C@gmail.com>
References: <62B8D7A4-2A92-44EB-8887-1A208E1C245C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMe9x_GJXAMpsVn_Hr4qdaO2vV4AH2eP+AXUrhLcU2wG+DxoGw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mausam,
I have a younger brother who is also a high school senior.
He is planning a road trip with his high school friends for the
upcoming summer before they would part to different colleges and
universities. (He is sighted if you care to know)
I personally attended a summer training program at the Colorado Center
for the Blind when I was in your situation because I wanted to improve
my blindness skills and also experience being far away from home for
more than a month before I started college.
Good luck and have fun with your planning!

On 1/8/18, Mausam Mehta via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
> Hope everyone's Spring semester is starting off well.
> I was wondering if anybody would know of any interesting summer
> opportunities. It's my last summer before college, so I want to do something
> enriching that my widen my scope of experiences. My original thought was to
> work with or mentor blind youth, but I'm really open to anything.
> I posted a similar question in another group, so I apologize if it seems
> like you've already seen this before.
> I would love your suggestions.
>  Best,
> Mausam
>
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-- 
Miso Kwak
University of California, Los Angeles | 2017
Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor


From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  8 22:47:31 2018
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 17:47:31 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Summer opportunities
In-Reply-To: <62B8D7A4-2A92-44EB-8887-1A208E1C245C@gmail.com>
References: <62B8D7A4-2A92-44EB-8887-1A208E1C245C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003801d388d2$ab8bec60$02a3c520$@gmail.com>

NFB training center.
 Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mausam Mehta
via NABS-L
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 5:09 PM
To: NABS-L at nfbnet.org
Cc: Mausam Mehta <mausam.mehta00 at gmail.com>
Subject: [NABS-L] Summer opportunities

Hi all,
Hope everyone's Spring semester is starting off well.
I was wondering if anybody would know of any interesting summer
opportunities. It's my last summer before college, so I want to do something
enriching that my widen my scope of experiences. My original thought was to
work with or mentor blind youth, but I'm really open to anything.
I posted a similar question in another group, so I apologize if it seems
like you've already seen this before.
I would love your suggestions.
 Best,
Mausam

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From mausam.mehta00 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  8 23:03:35 2018
From: mausam.mehta00 at gmail.com (Mausam Mehta)
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 18:03:35 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Summer opportunities
In-Reply-To: <003801d388d2$ab8bec60$02a3c520$@gmail.com>
References: <62B8D7A4-2A92-44EB-8887-1A208E1C245C@gmail.com>
	<003801d388d2$ab8bec60$02a3c520$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C3130A36-ADE0-490C-B740-9D5308D61F9F@gmail.com>

I attended a summer program at the Colorado center last year and got a lot out of it.  

> On Jan 8, 2018, at 5:47 PM, Justin Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> NFB training center.
> Justin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mausam Mehta
> via NABS-L
> Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 5:09 PM
> To: NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Mausam Mehta <mausam.mehta00 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [NABS-L] Summer opportunities
> 
> Hi all,
> Hope everyone's Spring semester is starting off well.
> I was wondering if anybody would know of any interesting summer
> opportunities. It's my last summer before college, so I want to do something
> enriching that my widen my scope of experiences. My original thought was to
> work with or mentor blind youth, but I'm really open to anything.
> I posted a similar question in another group, so I apologize if it seems
> like you've already seen this before.
> I would love your suggestions.
> Best,
> Mausam
> 
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From iperrault at hotmail.com  Mon Jan  8 23:13:13 2018
From: iperrault at hotmail.com (Ian Perrault)
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 23:13:13 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] The Home Button on the IPhone 10
Message-ID: <DM5PR13MB092316B3DF5FBA2BBD9377F5BF130@DM5PR13MB0923.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>

Hi,
I'm thinking about upgrading to the IPhone 10, but I know that there's not a home button. I know that to do the same functions like go to the home screen, go to the app switcher, etc., you tap somewhere on the screen. How do you know where to tap on the screen to do the former home key functions? Or can you just tap anywhere?
Ian

From syedrizvinfb at gmail.com  Tue Jan  9 02:58:53 2018
From: syedrizvinfb at gmail.com (Syed Rizvi)
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 21:58:53 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Legislative Advocacy Committee Call Tuesday Night January
 9th 8PM Eastern
Message-ID: <5AF052D7-E18C-4F09-8B64-75D21D53CDF3@gmail.com>

Dear Students,
Join us this Tuesday night, January 9th, at 8PM eastern, for our last committee call before seminar. We will be assigning tasks for our workshop at seminar and pound out any last wrinkles.
Hope to speak with you all soon.
Cordially,
     Syed 

From jldail13 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  9 03:16:54 2018
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (jldail13 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 22:16:54 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] The Home Button on the IPhone 10
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR13MB092316B3DF5FBA2BBD9377F5BF130@DM5PR13MB0923.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM5PR13MB092316B3DF5FBA2BBD9377F5BF130@DM5PR13MB0923.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <003d01d388f8$4d65a3d0$e830eb70$@gmail.com>

Hi,
I think you get haptic feedback, but I don't have an iphone 10, so can't say
for sure.
I suggest checking applevis.com.

They have a welth of information on the iphone 10, including podcasts if
desired.

Thanks,
Jessica


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ian Perrault
via NABS-L
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 6:13 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Ian Perrault <iperrault at hotmail.com>
Subject: [NABS-L] The Home Button on the IPhone 10

Hi,
I'm thinking about upgrading to the IPhone 10, but I know that there's not a
home button. I know that to do the same functions like go to the home
screen, go to the app switcher, etc., you tap somewhere on the screen. How
do you know where to tap on the screen to do the former home key functions?
Or can you just tap anywhere?
Ian
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From twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com  Tue Jan  9 16:33:55 2018
From: twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com (Tamika Williams)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 10:33:55 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] The Home Button on the IPhone 10
In-Reply-To: <003d01d388f8$4d65a3d0$e830eb70$@gmail.com>
References: <DM5PR13MB092316B3DF5FBA2BBD9377F5BF130@DM5PR13MB0923.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
	<003d01d388f8$4d65a3d0$e830eb70$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <05A9F428-0C9D-4949-93A1-9E027D46144E@gmail.com>

Ian,

For the most part,you will use the power button on the left side of the phone to perform the tasks that are usually performed with the home button. Most people think that the change will make things difficult, but it just takes a little getting use to doing things differently.

HTH,
Tamika

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 8, 2018, at 9:16 PM, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I think you get haptic feedback, but I don't have an iphone 10, so can't say
> for sure.
> I suggest checking applevis.com.
> 
> They have a welth of information on the iphone 10, including podcasts if
> desired.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jessica
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ian Perrault
> via NABS-L
> Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 6:13 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Ian Perrault <iperrault at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [NABS-L] The Home Button on the IPhone 10
> 
> Hi,
> I'm thinking about upgrading to the IPhone 10, but I know that there's not a
> home button. I know that to do the same functions like go to the home
> screen, go to the app switcher, etc., you tap somewhere on the screen. How
> do you know where to tap on the screen to do the former home key functions?
> Or can you just tap anywhere?
> Ian
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From twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com  Tue Jan  9 16:42:24 2018
From: twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com (Tamika Williams)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 10:42:24 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] The Home Button on the IPhone 10
In-Reply-To: <003d01d388f8$4d65a3d0$e830eb70$@gmail.com>
References: <DM5PR13MB092316B3DF5FBA2BBD9377F5BF130@DM5PR13MB0923.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
	<003d01d388f8$4d65a3d0$e830eb70$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9CBF7009-981E-473B-AEBF-3A3410426604@gmail.com>

Also to go to the home screen and app switcher you will just slide your finger from the bottom to the middle of the screen for home page and to the top of the screen for app switcher 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 8, 2018, at 9:16 PM, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I think you get haptic feedback, but I don't have an iphone 10, so can't say
> for sure.
> I suggest checking applevis.com.
> 
> They have a welth of information on the iphone 10, including podcasts if
> desired.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jessica
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ian Perrault
> via NABS-L
> Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 6:13 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Ian Perrault <iperrault at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [NABS-L] The Home Button on the IPhone 10
> 
> Hi,
> I'm thinking about upgrading to the IPhone 10, but I know that there's not a
> home button. I know that to do the same functions like go to the home
> screen, go to the app switcher, etc., you tap somewhere on the screen. How
> do you know where to tap on the screen to do the former home key functions?
> Or can you just tap anywhere?
> Ian
> _______________________________________________
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From matthewhgip at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 15:40:03 2018
From: matthewhgip at gmail.com (Matthew Gip)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 07:40:03 -0800
Subject: [NABS-L] CABS Conference Call
Message-ID: <81C8659B-A152-4022-AF2E-3CD70DC6F470@gmail.com>

Greetings Students, 

As you all are gearing up for the start of your new semester, I would like to invite you all to our monthly board meeting hosted by the California Association of Blind Students, which is scheduled to be held on Monday, January 15th, at 8:00 pm PST, which so happens to be Martin Luther King Day. Join us in our discussion as CABS had recently established a Membership, Event Planning, and Fundraising Committee, where you could potentially help and be involved! We are also preparing to discuss our near future plans, so come check out what our student division has to offer! 

Here’s how you can call in: 
Call-in Number: (515) 739-1031
Access Code: 958093

As usual, please share our Facebook and Twitter page to stay up-to-date on what is happening with our student division. 

Best regards, 
Matthew Gip 
President, California Association of Blind Students 
A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind of California 
Phone: (559) 375-2068 
Live The Life You Want!

From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 16:07:31 2018
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 11:07:31 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Question About Transferring Information from the Apex to
 the Touch
Message-ID: <5a563a76.89d0ca0a.166a8.4dcb@mx.google.com>

Dear Students,

Happy 2018 to all of you.  I have a question about transferring 
information from the Apex to the Touch.  My request to upgrade to 
the BrailleNote Touch was approved by the District Administrator.  
I received the email about this news yesterday from my counselor 
at the Division of Blind Services.  How do I get my addresses in 
the Address list on the Touch? I have already copied my addresses 
in KeyList to a document on my Sd card.


From jldail13 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 16:43:56 2018
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (jldail13 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 11:43:56 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Question About Transferring Information from the Apex
 to the Touch
In-Reply-To: <5a563a76.89d0ca0a.166a8.4dcb@mx.google.com>
References: <5a563a76.89d0ca0a.166a8.4dcb@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <001101d38a32$356bc710$a0435530$@gmail.com>

Hi,
What format is the file you creaared in?
The BN touch can open docx files, and creates these by default!
I'm typing this message on my own brlnote touch, and more currently using it
as a braille display, via bluetooth for Jaws on my computer. The brlnote
touch coes with a free copy of KNFB reader!


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of roanna bacchus
via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 11:08 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: roanna bacchus <rbacchus228 at gmail.com>
Subject: [NABS-L] Question About Transferring Information from the Apex to
the Touch

Dear Students,

Happy 2018 to all of you.  I have a question about transferring information
from the Apex to the Touch.  My request to upgrade to the BrailleNote Touch
was approved by the District Administrator.  
I received the email about this news yesterday from my counselor at the
Division of Blind Services.  How do I get my addresses in the Address list
on the Touch? I have already copied my addresses in KeyList to a document on
my Sd card.

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From ljmaher03 at outlook.com  Wed Jan 10 17:41:50 2018
From: ljmaher03 at outlook.com (Louis Maher)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 17:41:50 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] Announcement For The Science Division And NABS STEM Phone
 Conference
Message-ID: <CY4PR11MB202381EFF32ACDA63B62E552AA110@CY4PR11MB2023.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Phone Conference on How Students Can Do Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics (STEM)

The Science and Engineering Division of the National Federation of the Blind and the National Association of Blind Students present a joint phone conference on how blind professionals, and blind college and graduate students are succeeding in courses to do with science, technology, engineering, and mathematics.  The call-in number is the NABS conference line 712-770-5197, Participant Access Code: 265669.  The call will occur at 9PM EST through 10PM EST on Monday, February 12, 2018.
Topics will be of interest for blind students in middle school, high school, college and graduate school. Parents of blind school-aged children and educators are also welcome.  Topics will include succeeding as a blind person in biology, chemistry, physics, mathematics, and engineering.  Some portion of the presentation will address how to succeed in a laboratory setting.

Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com

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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 19:01:21 2018
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 14:01:21 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Question About Transferring Information from the Apex
 to the Touch
In-Reply-To: <001101d38a32$356bc710$a0435530$@gmail.com>
References: <5a563a76.89d0ca0a.166a8.4dcb@mx.google.com>
	<001101d38a32$356bc710$a0435530$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <75A2D2D8-7CCD-4C1E-BD5D-45A65C43285F@gmail.com>

I love my files are currently doc XO and put my addresses million to the address book once I get my new unit

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 10, 2018, at 11:43 AM, Jessica Dail via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> What format is the file you creaared in?
> The BN touch can open docx files, and creates these by default!
> I'm typing this message on my own brlnote touch, and more currently using it
> as a braille display, via bluetooth for Jaws on my computer. The brlnote
> touch coes with a free copy of KNFB reader!
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of roanna bacchus
> via NABS-L
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 11:08 AM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: roanna bacchus <rbacchus228 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [NABS-L] Question About Transferring Information from the Apex to
> the Touch
> 
> Dear Students,
> 
> Happy 2018 to all of you.  I have a question about transferring information
> from the Apex to the Touch.  My request to upgrade to the BrailleNote Touch
> was approved by the District Administrator.  
> I received the email about this news yesterday from my counselor at the
> Division of Blind Services.  How do I get my addresses in the Address list
> on the Touch? I have already copied my addresses in KeyList to a document on
> my Sd card.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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> 
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 19:10:00 2018
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 11:10:00 -0800
Subject: [NABS-L] Problem Logging In to Web Site on  Iphone
Message-ID: <113F3520-0A1D-4CCB-B12C-0621A66844F3@gmail.com>

Hi Everyone,
I hope you are ding well.
I am having trouble logging in to one of my school's web sites on my Iphone 6. This is a problem which manifested itself only recently  and there were previously no issues doing so.
When I type in my user name and password, and go into the Login button, I am unable to press it because it is dimmed, or "dmd" as shown by my Braille display. It had been suggested  to me by someone outside the list to try to change Braille output from contracted to 8-dot, but the same thing happens.   I  do not have this issue with my laptop, and have been able to access the site off my computer. However, I would really like accessibility on my phone because I carry it around with me all the time whereas I do not always have my laptop everywhere I go. Therefore I would like to know if anyone else has had similar issues with the IPhone before I contact my school's IT. I am guessing this problem is most likely related to VoiceOver, as I think most web sites still support Iphone 6 use.
I also wanted to add that I have tried using both Safari and Chrome on the phone, with the same result.
Thanks.
Vejas 

From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 19:22:48 2018
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 13:22:48 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] Problem Logging In to Web Site on  Iphone
In-Reply-To: <113F3520-0A1D-4CCB-B12C-0621A66844F3@gmail.com>
References: <113F3520-0A1D-4CCB-B12C-0621A66844F3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <69281501-BAFD-4608-8FD4-8FA786EB558F@gmail.com>

Hey Vejas, 
It may not be a problem with VoiceOver at all, but may be an update to the authentication system on the website that is causing this. It may be VO, so  the thing that I would do would be to try to log in using the touchscreen only, with the Braille display disconnected. If that works, then it is likely an issue with Braille input on iOS, which is sadly lacking in the latest versions.
HTH,
Aleeha 

> On Jan 10, 2018, at 1:10 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> I hope you are ding well.
> I am having trouble logging in to one of my school's web sites on my Iphone 6. This is a problem which manifested itself only recently  and there were previously no issues doing so.
> When I type in my user name and password, and go into the Login button, I am unable to press it because it is dimmed, or "dmd" as shown by my Braille display. It had been suggested  to me by someone outside the list to try to change Braille output from contracted to 8-dot, but the same thing happens.   I  do not have this issue with my laptop, and have been able to access the site off my computer. However, I would really like accessibility on my phone because I carry it around with me all the time whereas I do not always have my laptop everywhere I go. Therefore I would like to know if anyone else has had similar issues with the IPhone before I contact my school's IT. I am guessing this problem is most likely related to VoiceOver, as I think most web sites still support Iphone 6 use.
> I also wanted to add that I have tried using both Safari and Chrome on the phone, with the same result.
> Thanks.
> Vejas 
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From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Wed Jan 10 20:24:11 2018
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 14:24:11 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] Problem Logging In to Web Site on  Iphone
In-Reply-To: <113F3520-0A1D-4CCB-B12C-0621A66844F3@gmail.com>
References: <113F3520-0A1D-4CCB-B12C-0621A66844F3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009201d38a50$f9fe84a0$edfb8de0$@visi.com>

Vejas,

Depending upon your settings, it is possible that some of the information
you typed did not get sent.  This is most likely to happen with the password
field.  If you type your password, the back-translate process does not
happen until the system knows you have completed a word.  Usually, this
happens when you press SPACE.  However, if you press SPACE after your
password, the LOGIN button will probably no longer be dimmed but your
password will probably be incorrect.  

After your password has been typed, press the SPACE with dots 4 and 5 and
the characters you have typed should be back-translated and sent.  You
should be able to move to the LOGIN button and be able to continue.  If the
above does not work, enter a SPACE after your password to force it to be
back-translated, but then delete the space you just entered.  This should
probably also work.

You could have the same issue with the USER-ID field, but most systems won't
care if you add a space after it, so just adding a space to force it to be
back-translated will probably work.

I'm far from an expert on this so perhaps there is another approach that
works better, but the above has worked for me.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:10 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
Subject: [NABS-L] Problem Logging In to Web Site on Iphone

Hi Everyone,
I hope you are ding well.
I am having trouble logging in to one of my school's web sites on my Iphone
6. This is a problem which manifested itself only recently  and there were
previously no issues doing so.
When I type in my user name and password, and go into the Login button, I am
unable to press it because it is dimmed, or "dmd" as shown by my Braille
display. It had been suggested  to me by someone outside the list to try to
change Braille output from contracted to 8-dot, but the same thing happens.
I  do not have this issue with my laptop, and have been able to access the
site off my computer. However, I would really like accessibility on my phone
because I carry it around with me all the time whereas I do not always have
my laptop everywhere I go. Therefore I would like to know if anyone else has
had similar issues with the IPhone before I contact my school's IT. I am
guessing this problem is most likely related to VoiceOver, as I think most
web sites still support Iphone 6 use.
I also wanted to add that I have tried using both Safari and Chrome on the
phone, with the same result.
Thanks.
Vejas 
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From kaybaycar at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 20:53:13 2018
From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie A. McGinnity)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 14:53:13 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] National Federation of the Blind of Missouri 2018
 Scholarship Program
Message-ID: <003401d38a55$088985c0$199c9140$@gmail.com>

Good afternoon Students,

 

I am writing to announce the 2018 NFB of Missouri scholarship program.  If
you are a blind student in the state of Missouri, or you are a student who
calls Missouri your home while studying in another state, we invite you to
apply.  You may either see our website and fill out the online application,
or you can use the attached application form.  If you are not a blind
student in the state of Missouri, please pass this onto any students you may
know from the lovely Show-Me state!  

 

You will find the online application at www.nfbmo.org <http://www.nfbmo.org>
.  See attached for the relevant documents.  Thank you, and have a happy
spring semester! 

 

Julie A. McGinnity 

First Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri 

 



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From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Jan 11 01:50:46 2018
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 19:50:46 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] Fwd: [duxnews] Duxbury Systems proudly announces the NEW
 release of DBT WIN 12.2 SR1
Message-ID: <auto-000096701676@mailfront2.g2host.com>


>
>Duxbury Systems has just released DBT WIN version 12.2 SR1.
>This new service release is free to all who are running the previous 
>version 12.2!
>We recommend you all update and install.
>Please take advantage of Check for Updates from the DBT Help menu.
>Or, visit the Duxbury Website
>NEW Support for the Braillo 300 S2! This embosser is used around the world!
>TranSend SE is now supported on Romeo 60 and Juliet 120,  Now 
>another simple solution for print and braille on the same page for 
>virtually any language DBT handles!!
>NEW BANA Template for MS Word for all USA customers and those 
>producers of braille for USA consumption!
>
>NEW UKAAF template for all our UK customers and those producing 
>braille for UK readers!
>
>JAWS imrpovements, Math improvements, Typeform improvements, 
>TactileView integration fixed,
>to name just a few of the reasons to get it now!
>
>Many squashed bugs and many other improvements!
>
>Enjoy!
>
>For all of those running old DBT Win software, isn't it time you updated?
>
>Duxbury Systems continually revises DBT to make fixes, respond to 
>braille rules changes, and to add new features. The lists below 
>cover only changes since the last major release. For the most recent 
>information, possibly newer than that included here, please take 
>advantage of Check for Updates from the DBT Help menu. Or, visit the 
>Duxbury Website for both new information and historical information 
>about DBT features and updates.
>Sincerely,
>Neal For the Information Desk
><mailto:info at duxsys.com>info at duxsys.com
>+1-978-692-3000
>www.DuxburySystems.com
>Duxbury Systems, Inc.
>Braille Solutions for the world since 1976!

From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Jan 11 21:26:57 2018
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 15:26:57 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] Blackboard Ally is hiring Community Manager
Message-ID: <auto-000096756369@mailfront2.g2host.com>


>
>The Blackboard Ally team is looking for a 
>motivated Community Manager and Accessibility 
>Subject Matter Expert. This position will offer 
>an exciting combination of activities:
>    * Manage and grow the Ally User Group and 
> evolve it into a vibrant community
>    * Help create documentation, best practices and adoption toolkits
>    * Work directly with institutions to help with Ally adoptions
>    * Participate in our design process and help 
> organize usability tests, UX research and other design projects
>    * Be a key member of the Ally team and help shape the future of the Ally.
>The full job description can be found at 
><https://careers.blackboard.com/technology/position/ally-community-manager-london-uk>https://careers.blackboard.com/technology/position/ally-community-manager-london-uk. 
>
>
>Definitely let me know if you have any questions 
>about the role, and don’t hesitate to apply if this position is of interest.
>
>Thanks!
>Nicolaas

From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Jan 11 21:29:23 2018
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 15:29:23 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] Blackboard Ally is hiring Community Manager
Message-ID: <auto-000097445704@mailfront1.g2host.com>


>
>I just wanted to clarify that this position is 
>open to remote candidates as well.
>
>Note that the link to the position has changed 
>slightly and is now available at 
><https://careers.blackboard.com/technology/position/ally-community-manager>https://careers.blackboard.com/technology/position/ally-community-manager.
>
>Thanks!
>Nicolaas
>
>
>>On 9 Jan 2018, at 20:40, Nicolaas Matthijs 
>><<mailto:nicolaas at fronteer.io>nicolaas at fronteer.io> wrote:
>>
>>The Blackboard Ally team is looking for a 
>>motivated Community Manager and Accessibility 
>>Subject Matter Expert. This position will offer 
>>an exciting combination of activities:
>>    * Manage and grow the Ally User Group and 
>> evolve it into a vibrant community
>>    * Help create documentation, best practices and adoption toolkits
>>    * Work directly with institutions to help with Ally adoptions
>>    * Participate in our design process and 
>> help organize usability tests, UX research and other design projects
>>    * Be a key member of the Ally team and help 
>> shape the future of the Ally.
>>The full job description can be found at 
>><https://careers.blackboard.com/technology/position/ally-community-manager-london-uk>https://careers.blackboard.com/technology/position/ally-community-manager-london-uk. 
>>
>>
>>Definitely let me know if you have any 
>>questions about the role, and don’t hesitate 
>>to apply if this position is of interest.
>>
>>Thanks!
>>Nicolaas

From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Thu Jan 11 22:43:03 2018
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 17:43:03 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Washington seminar
Message-ID: <A6DDC949-5C69-424F-B12C-D4D1B24F92CD@gmail.com>

Hey everyone 
I am looking for one or two more roommates for Washington seminar. Check in on Monday and check out on Thursday 

Shikha. 

From clearinghouse at miusa.org  Fri Jan 12 01:33:49 2018
From: clearinghouse at miusa.org (NCDE Clearinghouse)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 17:33:49 -0800
Subject: [NABS-L] Participate in Iraqi-US youth exchange
Message-ID: <95450b57-6f11-daca-3858-eb19c085fab9@miusa.org>

Good evening NABS,

People in high school will want to check out this opportunity… More 
details below:

U.S. high school students with disabilities! Apply now for the Iraqi Young
Leaders Exchange Program (IYLEP), which provides a four-week fully-funded
exchange program to talented Iraqi and U.S. students who demonstrate
leadership potential and civic engagement in their communities. The program
will take place in Vermont, D.C., and another U.S.-based host location TBD.



Let me know if you know groups to share this with and if you have other
ideas.

Thanks Justin!

MM




Begin forwarded message:

From: Laura Lyons <laura at worldoregon.org <mailto:laura at worldoregon.org> >
Date: January 8, 2018 at 1:40:25 PM PST
To: "sygall at miusa.org <mailto:sygall at miusa.org> " <sygall at miusa.org
<mailto:sygall at miusa.org> >
Subject: Leadership Exchange Opportunity for High School Students

Hello Susan,



My name is Laura Lyons, and I currently work as the Youth Leadership
Coordinator for WorldOregon (previously known as the World Affairs Council
of Oregon). I am reaching out to you today because I came across an
interesting opportunity that I thought might be of interest to high school
students that you engage with in your community.



The Iraqi Young Leaders Exchange Program (IYLEP) provides an opportunity for
ten U.S. high school students to join their Iraqi counterparts in a
four-week program aiming to develop leadership and peacebuilding skills,
foster relationships among youth from different backgrounds, and to promote
mutual understanding between the people of Iraq and the U.S. From July 14 -
August 12, 2018 the students live and learn together (first in Vermont and
then in a host city in the U.S.) learning about leadership and civic
engagement and collaboratively developing community-based projects. All
expenses are paid and it is free to apply. The alumni of the program I have
spoken with all tell me that it is a life-changing experience which not only
built participants' leadership skills but also developed lifelong
friendships and deep intercultural understanding.



This program is sponsored by the U.S. Department of State, Bureau of
Educational and Cultural Affairs, in partnership with the U.S. Embassy in
Baghdad. To learn more and to apply, click here: https://iylep.org/apply/. I
have also attached an information sheet to this email. THE APPLICATION
DEADLINE IS JANUARY 31, 2018, so if you know students who may be interested
please encourage them to apply as soon as possible!



Personally, I believe that this program would seriously benefit from having
a very diverse group of U.S. students, and we hope that some of the students
you engage with will be able to apply.  We value our partnership with
Mobility International USA, and I hope that going forward we can continue to
build on this strong foundation and including youth with disabilities in our
exchange and leadership programming. Also, if you know any other contacts
who may be interested in receiving information about the IYLEP U.S. student
exchange, please feel free to forward this information or send contact
information to me.  If you have any additional questions, please don't
hesitate to connect by email or by phone at (503) 306-5422.



Respectfully,



Laura Lyons,  <mailto:laura at worldoregon.org> laura at worldoregon.org

Youth Leadership Coordinator


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Main (503) 306-5252 | direct (503) 306-5244 | c. (503) 432-0644

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From logan4447 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 12 02:04:17 2018
From: logan4447 at gmail.com (Logan Anderson)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 21:04:17 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Blackboard Ally is hiring Community Manager
In-Reply-To: <auto-000096756369@mailfront2.g2host.com>
References: <auto-000096756369@mailfront2.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <FF55D3B7-83C5-4434-AA2F-DCB80549C801@gmail.com>

Hello,
I went on the site and looked, and wanted to inform anyone who may see this notice that the job posting is no longer available.

Logan 

> On Jan 11, 2018, at 4:26 PM, David Andrews via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> The Blackboard Ally team is looking for a motivated Community Manager and Accessibility Subject Matter Expert. This position will offer an exciting combination of activities:
>>   * Manage and grow the Ally User Group and evolve it into a vibrant community
>>   * Help create documentation, best practices and adoption toolkits
>>   * Work directly with institutions to help with Ally adoptions
>>   * Participate in our design process and help organize usability tests, UX research and other design projects
>>   * Be a key member of the Ally team and help shape the future of the Ally.
>> The full job description can be found at <https://careers.blackboard.com/technology/position/ally-community-manager-london-uk>https://careers.blackboard.com/technology/position/ally-community-manager-london-uk. 
>> 
>> Definitely let me know if you have any questions about the role, and don’t hesitate to apply if this position is of interest.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> Nicolaas
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From jacobsaj at whitman.edu  Fri Jan 12 19:06:27 2018
From: jacobsaj at whitman.edu (Alaina Jacobsen)
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 11:06:27 -0800
Subject: [NABS-L] Thesis project regarding gender of blind and visually
 impaired individuals
Message-ID: <C98E66F9-E6AD-4D76-94B2-621E8B78503E@whitman.edu>

Greetings!

My name is Alaina Jacobsen, and I am a sighted Gender Studies student in my senior year at Whitman College, in Walla Walla, WA.  For my thesis project, I am conducting research regarding the gendered experiences of blindness.  I hope to interview blind and visually impaired individuals (aged 18-28) to get a better understanding of how being blind or visually impaired interacts with and informs gender, and how performing a certain gender can impact the experience of being blind or visually impaired.  Interviews would be approximately one hour long, and they can be conducted over phone or video calls that are recorded.  I will assure confidentiality of any data provided by all participants.  If this is something you would be interested in, please contact me by emailing me at jacobsaj at whitman.edu or by calling me at 509-710-5523 to find out more information and set up an interview time.  I welcome all questions and comments that you may have regarding this research.  Any suggestions for people to contact who might be interested in an interview with me would also be greatly appreciated.  

Please contact me to find out more about my project, to set up an interview, or to give me feedback. 

Sincerely,

Alaina Jacobsen


From kenia.flores101 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 14 15:18:23 2018
From: kenia.flores101 at gmail.com (Kenia Flores)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 10:18:23 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] January Membership Calls
Message-ID: <CAFKMa7GNHeFNVNPMosUGYtaaQWeZPFSU5eJhw5vPb4zTMo+EoQ@mail.gmail.com>

Good morning, fellow students,

I hope you all had a great start to the semester and are looking
forward to Washington Seminar. The Legislative Advocacy and Outreach
Committees are working together to prepare students for meetings on
the Hill. We will be hosting two membership calls. The first call will
take place on Sunday, January 21 at 8pm eastern, and the second call
will take place on Tuesday, January 23 at 8pm eastern.
The call-in number is 712-770-5197, and the access code is 265669. We
look forward to speaking with you on our membership calls later this
month.

Best,
Kenia Flores

Kenia Flores
Co-chair, Legislative Advocacy Committee
kenia.flores at furman.edu


From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Mon Jan 15 22:28:16 2018
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 17:28:16 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Proof of Purchase
Message-ID: <005e01d38e50$243cd250$6cb676f0$@gmail.com>

Hello All:

I hope this email finds each of you enjoying a smooth start to your spring
semester! It seems that, on this first day of classes for me, I find myself
stumped on an accessibility question which I'm hoping you can help with. I
received an email this morning from my DSS coordinator asking me to provide
her with a "proof of purchase" for each of my textbooks. She says that
students who receive alternative accessible copies of books are still
required to buy the books from the campus bookstore in order to avoid
copyright infringement on the part of the DSS office. As far as I
understand, if DSS obtains a book from an accessible online resource such as
AccessText, Bookshare, or Learning Ally, the Chaffee Amendment would protect
them from copyright problems. Furthermore, if they get the accessible book
directly from the book's publisher, the publisher is granting them access to
the text, which should also protect the college from copyright problems. But
my DSS coordinator is telling me I still need to buy my books from the
Campus Store anyway.

So, can anyone explain how this works? Do I really need to buy the print
books if I already got them from DSS in an accessible format? If I do need
to buy them, what do I do with the print books once I get them? It seems
like it would be a waste to buy a perfectly good book only for it to sit on
my desk as I read the accessible copy which DSS got somewhere else. I want
to do all that I need to in order to get access to my textbooks, but I also
don't want to spend money unnecessarily. Thank you in advance for helping me
make sense of this.

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone



From emitchell927 at icloud.com  Mon Jan 15 22:33:07 2018
From: emitchell927 at icloud.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 17:33:07 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Proof of Purchase
In-Reply-To: <005e01d38e50$243cd250$6cb676f0$@gmail.com>
References: <005e01d38e50$243cd250$6cb676f0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EBF24F1A-6002-4B45-A7DD-E6A12BD95077@icloud.com>

Yes you are required to buy all books in print so that they can convert them 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 15, 2018, at 5:28 PM, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All:
> 
> I hope this email finds each of you enjoying a smooth start to your spring
> semester! It seems that, on this first day of classes for me, I find myself
> stumped on an accessibility question which I'm hoping you can help with. I
> received an email this morning from my DSS coordinator asking me to provide
> her with a "proof of purchase" for each of my textbooks. She says that
> students who receive alternative accessible copies of books are still
> required to buy the books from the campus bookstore in order to avoid
> copyright infringement on the part of the DSS office. As far as I
> understand, if DSS obtains a book from an accessible online resource such as
> AccessText, Bookshare, or Learning Ally, the Chaffee Amendment would protect
> them from copyright problems. Furthermore, if they get the accessible book
> directly from the book's publisher, the publisher is granting them access to
> the text, which should also protect the college from copyright problems. But
> my DSS coordinator is telling me I still need to buy my books from the
> Campus Store anyway.
> 
> So, can anyone explain how this works? Do I really need to buy the print
> books if I already got them from DSS in an accessible format? If I do need
> to buy them, what do I do with the print books once I get them? It seems
> like it would be a waste to buy a perfectly good book only for it to sit on
> my desk as I read the accessible copy which DSS got somewhere else. I want
> to do all that I need to in order to get access to my textbooks, but I also
> don't want to spend money unnecessarily. Thank you in advance for helping me
> make sense of this.
> 
> Chris Nusbaum
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
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From cory.j.mcmahon at gmail.com  Mon Jan 15 22:36:27 2018
From: cory.j.mcmahon at gmail.com (Cory McMahon)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 16:36:27 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] Proof of Purchase
In-Reply-To: <005e01d38e50$243cd250$6cb676f0$@gmail.com>
References: <005e01d38e50$243cd250$6cb676f0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1e0b01d38e51$488d6ec0$d9a84c40$@gmail.com>

I also have had to buy the print book in order to receive the
alternatively-formatted book: The DSS office at my college has stated that I
must provide them a receipt before they will provide me the book (s) in an
accessible format. I didn't question anything as I thought this was just
standard practice and a requirement which I must fulfill.

Sincerely,

Cory McMahon

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
via NABS-L
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 4:28 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Chris Nusbaum <cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com>
Subject: [NABS-L] Proof of Purchase

Hello All:

I hope this email finds each of you enjoying a smooth start to your spring
semester! It seems that, on this first day of classes for me, I find myself
stumped on an accessibility question which I'm hoping you can help with. I
received an email this morning from my DSS coordinator asking me to provide
her with a "proof of purchase" for each of my textbooks. She says that
students who receive alternative accessible copies of books are still
required to buy the books from the campus bookstore in order to avoid
copyright infringement on the part of the DSS office. As far as I
understand, if DSS obtains a book from an accessible online resource such as
AccessText, Bookshare, or Learning Ally, the Chaffee Amendment would protect
them from copyright problems. Furthermore, if they get the accessible book
directly from the book's publisher, the publisher is granting them access to
the text, which should also protect the college from copyright problems. But
my DSS coordinator is telling me I still need to buy my books from the
Campus Store anyway.

So, can anyone explain how this works? Do I really need to buy the print
books if I already got them from DSS in an accessible format? If I do need
to buy them, what do I do with the print books once I get them? It seems
like it would be a waste to buy a perfectly good book only for it to sit on
my desk as I read the accessible copy which DSS got somewhere else. I want
to do all that I need to in order to get access to my textbooks, but I also
don't want to spend money unnecessarily. Thank you in advance for helping me
make sense of this.

Chris Nusbaum

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From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Mon Jan 15 22:37:03 2018
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 16:37:03 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] Proof of Purchase
Message-ID: <5a5d2d18.9298810a.77fe9.1611@mx.google.com>

Hi Chris,

What I do when I get my list of textbooks for the semester is, before I even contact ODS, I search Bookshare, iBooks, and Amazon. If they have the book I need, I just buy it directly, without consulting ODS or anyone else. I've never used AccessText, so thanks for telling me that's out there. If none of these sources have the book, then and only then do I go to ODS and say, "I can't find these three books." Then I am required to buy them. It actually does make sense when you think about it. The publisher isn't just going to give away a free copy of the text to ODS. It has to be paid for, and it's only fair that the student pays for it. As for what to do with the print books, just sell them to other students or maybe back to the book store. You only have to buy copies of books you get from ODS or the publisher, so using sources like Bookshare and AccessText still saves money.

HTH,
Sophie

On Jan 15, 2018 4:28 PM, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hello All: 
>
> I hope this email finds each of you enjoying a smooth start to your spring 
> semester! It seems that, on this first day of classes for me, I find myself 
> stumped on an accessibility question which I'm hoping you can help with. I 
> received an email this morning from my DSS coordinator asking me to provide 
> her with a "proof of purchase" for each of my textbooks. She says that 
> students who receive alternative accessible copies of books are still 
> required to buy the books from the campus bookstore in order to avoid 
> copyright infringement on the part of the DSS office. As far as I 
> understand, if DSS obtains a book from an accessible online resource such as 
> AccessText, Bookshare, or Learning Ally, the Chaffee Amendment would protect 
> them from copyright problems. Furthermore, if they get the accessible book 
> directly from the book's publisher, the publisher is granting them access to 
> the text, which should also protect the college from copyright problems. But 
> my DSS coordinator is telling me I still need to buy my books from the 
> Campus Store anyway. 
>
> So, can anyone explain how this works? Do I really need to buy the print 
> books if I already got them from DSS in an accessible format? If I do need 
> to buy them, what do I do with the print books once I get them? It seems 
> like it would be a waste to buy a perfectly good book only for it to sit on 
> my desk as I read the accessible copy which DSS got somewhere else. I want 
> to do all that I need to in order to get access to my textbooks, but I also 
> don't want to spend money unnecessarily. Thank you in advance for helping me 
> make sense of this. 
>
> Chris Nusbaum 
>
> Sent from my iPhone 
>
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From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com  Mon Jan 15 22:37:07 2018
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie P.)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 15:37:07 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] Proof of Purchase
In-Reply-To: <005e01d38e50$243cd250$6cb676f0$@gmail.com>
References: <005e01d38e50$243cd250$6cb676f0$@gmail.com>
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You could always buy an ebook copy online through Amazon. They're usually much cheaper. I sometimes do that and just email my receipt to DSS. I don't know for sure about the laws surrounding this policy, but my university has it, too, so I just buy inexpensive electronic copies online. They can't require you to buy the book from the university bookstore, even if they can require you to buy it at all.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 15, 2018, at 15:28, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All:
> 
> I hope this email finds each of you enjoying a smooth start to your spring
> semester! It seems that, on this first day of classes for me, I find myself
> stumped on an accessibility question which I'm hoping you can help with. I
> received an email this morning from my DSS coordinator asking me to provide
> her with a "proof of purchase" for each of my textbooks. She says that
> students who receive alternative accessible copies of books are still
> required to buy the books from the campus bookstore in order to avoid
> copyright infringement on the part of the DSS office. As far as I
> understand, if DSS obtains a book from an accessible online resource such as
> AccessText, Bookshare, or Learning Ally, the Chaffee Amendment would protect
> them from copyright problems. Furthermore, if they get the accessible book
> directly from the book's publisher, the publisher is granting them access to
> the text, which should also protect the college from copyright problems. But
> my DSS coordinator is telling me I still need to buy my books from the
> Campus Store anyway.
> 
> So, can anyone explain how this works? Do I really need to buy the print
> books if I already got them from DSS in an accessible format? If I do need
> to buy them, what do I do with the print books once I get them? It seems
> like it would be a waste to buy a perfectly good book only for it to sit on
> my desk as I read the accessible copy which DSS got somewhere else. I want
> to do all that I need to in order to get access to my textbooks, but I also
> don't want to spend money unnecessarily. Thank you in advance for helping me
> make sense of this.
> 
> Chris Nusbaum
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
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From mausam.mehta00 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 15 22:39:19 2018
From: mausam.mehta00 at gmail.com (Mausam Mehta)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 17:39:19 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Proof of Purchase
In-Reply-To: <EBF24F1A-6002-4B45-A7DD-E6A12BD95077@icloud.com>
References: <005e01d38e50$243cd250$6cb676f0$@gmail.com>
	<EBF24F1A-6002-4B45-A7DD-E6A12BD95077@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <EBAA9BFF-8B5F-4D34-B0CB-233708EE30C2@gmail.com>

Hi Chris,
From what I understand, when you buy a book from the campus bookstore, it generally comes with an online version of the book, whether that be in PDF or some other format. This, in theory, would be the book that you would use, with adjustments by your DSS coordinator if needed. I’m not understanding why you would have to purchase the book if you found it on book share though, because those books have already passed through the copyright regulations, as far as I know.
Best,
Mausam

> On Jan 15, 2018, at 5:33 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Yes you are required to buy all books in print so that they can convert them 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 15, 2018, at 5:28 PM, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All:
>> 
>> I hope this email finds each of you enjoying a smooth start to your spring
>> semester! It seems that, on this first day of classes for me, I find myself
>> stumped on an accessibility question which I'm hoping you can help with. I
>> received an email this morning from my DSS coordinator asking me to provide
>> her with a "proof of purchase" for each of my textbooks. She says that
>> students who receive alternative accessible copies of books are still
>> required to buy the books from the campus bookstore in order to avoid
>> copyright infringement on the part of the DSS office. As far as I
>> understand, if DSS obtains a book from an accessible online resource such as
>> AccessText, Bookshare, or Learning Ally, the Chaffee Amendment would protect
>> them from copyright problems. Furthermore, if they get the accessible book
>> directly from the book's publisher, the publisher is granting them access to
>> the text, which should also protect the college from copyright problems. But
>> my DSS coordinator is telling me I still need to buy my books from the
>> Campus Store anyway.
>> 
>> So, can anyone explain how this works? Do I really need to buy the print
>> books if I already got them from DSS in an accessible format? If I do need
>> to buy them, what do I do with the print books once I get them? It seems
>> like it would be a waste to buy a perfectly good book only for it to sit on
>> my desk as I read the accessible copy which DSS got somewhere else. I want
>> to do all that I need to in order to get access to my textbooks, but I also
>> don't want to spend money unnecessarily. Thank you in advance for helping me
>> make sense of this.
>> 
>> Chris Nusbaum
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
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From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 15 22:40:05 2018
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 16:40:05 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] Proof of Purchase
In-Reply-To: <005e01d38e50$243cd250$6cb676f0$@gmail.com>
References: <005e01d38e50$243cd250$6cb676f0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DF96BE3C-723B-4BC7-954E-C829978B2E9D@gmail.com>

Hi, 
You do have to purchase the texts, but you should not have to buy them from the campus bookstore. You should be able to get them from Amazon or another retailer.
Aleeha  

> On Jan 15, 2018, at 4:28 PM, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All:
> 
> I hope this email finds each of you enjoying a smooth start to your spring
> semester! It seems that, on this first day of classes for me, I find myself
> stumped on an accessibility question which I'm hoping you can help with. I
> received an email this morning from my DSS coordinator asking me to provide
> her with a "proof of purchase" for each of my textbooks. She says that
> students who receive alternative accessible copies of books are still
> required to buy the books from the campus bookstore in order to avoid
> copyright infringement on the part of the DSS office. As far as I
> understand, if DSS obtains a book from an accessible online resource such as
> AccessText, Bookshare, or Learning Ally, the Chaffee Amendment would protect
> them from copyright problems. Furthermore, if they get the accessible book
> directly from the book's publisher, the publisher is granting them access to
> the text, which should also protect the college from copyright problems. But
> my DSS coordinator is telling me I still need to buy my books from the
> Campus Store anyway.
> 
> So, can anyone explain how this works? Do I really need to buy the print
> books if I already got them from DSS in an accessible format? If I do need
> to buy them, what do I do with the print books once I get them? It seems
> like it would be a waste to buy a perfectly good book only for it to sit on
> my desk as I read the accessible copy which DSS got somewhere else. I want
> to do all that I need to in order to get access to my textbooks, but I also
> don't want to spend money unnecessarily. Thank you in advance for helping me
> make sense of this.
> 
> Chris Nusbaum
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
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From dwiniecki at handid.org  Mon Jan 15 22:59:54 2018
From: dwiniecki at handid.org (Donald Winiecki)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 15:59:54 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] Proof of Purchase
In-Reply-To: <DF96BE3C-723B-4BC7-954E-C829978B2E9D@gmail.com>
References: <005e01d38e50$243cd250$6cb676f0$@gmail.com>
	<DF96BE3C-723B-4BC7-954E-C829978B2E9D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD5OMmE6axVkQ2aQYHAdYVxP=5iScEQaJhFEV2sQLeStSNwtdw@mail.gmail.com>

As I understand it, because of the Chaffee amendment -- with some
restrictions -- any `authorized entity` (such as Learning Ally,
Bookshare, or others with a specific institutional goal to make
materials accessible, including providers and your school) can make
the materials accessible and then make them available to you without
charge. However, someone still has to buy the book.

Providers like Learning Ally and Bookshare take donations to purchase
those materials and make them accessible, or have volunteers who take
materials purchased in some other way and make them accessible for
distribution through the `authorized entity`. However, your school's
DSS likely doesn't have such financial backing for this process.

That accounts for the expectation to purchase some materials yourself,
while not having to purchase them from a source like Learning Ally or
Bookshare or other such organizations.  (Of course, one still has to
show he or she is a student in order to qualify for the free access to
materials through some of these sources.)

Best,

_don


On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 3:40 PM, Aleeha Dudley via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> You do have to purchase the texts, but you should not have to buy them from the campus bookstore. You should be able to get them from Amazon or another retailer.
> Aleeha
>
>> On Jan 15, 2018, at 4:28 PM, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello All:
>>
>> I hope this email finds each of you enjoying a smooth start to your spring
>> semester! It seems that, on this first day of classes for me, I find myself
>> stumped on an accessibility question which I'm hoping you can help with. I
>> received an email this morning from my DSS coordinator asking me to provide
>> her with a "proof of purchase" for each of my textbooks. She says that
>> students who receive alternative accessible copies of books are still
>> required to buy the books from the campus bookstore in order to avoid
>> copyright infringement on the part of the DSS office. As far as I
>> understand, if DSS obtains a book from an accessible online resource such as
>> AccessText, Bookshare, or Learning Ally, the Chaffee Amendment would protect
>> them from copyright problems. Furthermore, if they get the accessible book
>> directly from the book's publisher, the publisher is granting them access to
>> the text, which should also protect the college from copyright problems. But
>> my DSS coordinator is telling me I still need to buy my books from the
>> Campus Store anyway.
>>
>> So, can anyone explain how this works? Do I really need to buy the print
>> books if I already got them from DSS in an accessible format? If I do need
>> to buy them, what do I do with the print books once I get them? It seems
>> like it would be a waste to buy a perfectly good book only for it to sit on
>> my desk as I read the accessible copy which DSS got somewhere else. I want
>> to do all that I need to in order to get access to my textbooks, but I also
>> don't want to spend money unnecessarily. Thank you in advance for helping me
>> make sense of this.
>>
>> Chris Nusbaum
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 15 23:02:31 2018
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 23:02:31 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] Proof of Purchase
In-Reply-To: <005e01d38e50$243cd250$6cb676f0$@gmail.com>
References: <005e01d38e50$243cd250$6cb676f0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BY1PR0401MB123899F154EBBA84EF2B456DBAEB0@BY1PR0401MB1238.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Hello Chris,

Yes, it is standard practice to provide a proof of purchase if you receive your textbooks from the disabilities office. The role of the disabilities office is to provide you with accessible textbooks and not free textbooks.

However, if there is a print copy of the textbook in the library or any other place on campus, you could ask the disabilities office to provide you with an accessible copy of the textbook to be checked out and used in the same manner as any other student on campus.

Some campus bookstores provide a brief period at the beginning of the semester to return textbooks for a full refund. So if you do not want to keep your print textbooks, you could return them to the campus bookstore after providing the disabilities office with the proof of purchase.

If we as blind students wish to compete on terms of equality with our sighted classmates, we must be willing to follow the same rules as our sighted classmates. This means purchasing our textbooks in the same manner as our sighted classmates.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

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Cc: Chris Nusbaum <cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com>
Subject: [NABS-L] Proof of Purchase

Hello All:

I hope this email finds each of you enjoying a smooth start to your spring semester! It seems that, on this first day of classes for me, I find myself stumped on an accessibility question which I'm hoping you can help with. I received an email this morning from my DSS coordinator asking me to provide her with a "proof of purchase" for each of my textbooks. She says that students who receive alternative accessible copies of books are still required to buy the books from the campus bookstore in order to avoid copyright infringement on the part of the DSS office. As far as I understand, if DSS obtains a book from an accessible online resource such as AccessText, Bookshare, or Learning Ally, the Chaffee Amendment would protect them from copyright problems. Furthermore, if they get the accessible book directly from the book's publisher, the publisher is granting them access to the text, which should also protect the college from copyright problems. But my DSS coordinator is telling me I still need to buy my books from the Campus Store anyway.

So, can anyone explain how this works? Do I really need to buy the print books if I already got them from DSS in an accessible format? If I do need to buy them, what do I do with the print books once I get them? It seems like it would be a waste to buy a perfectly good book only for it to sit on my desk as I read the accessible copy which DSS got somewhere else. I want to do all that I need to in order to get access to my textbooks, but I also don't want to spend money unnecessarily. Thank you in advance for helping me make sense of this.

Chris Nusbaum

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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Mon Jan 15 23:04:58 2018
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 15:04:58 -0800
Subject: [NABS-L] Proof of Purchase
In-Reply-To: <005e01d38e50$243cd250$6cb676f0$@gmail.com>
References: <005e01d38e50$243cd250$6cb676f0$@gmail.com>
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Hi Chris,
I hope you are doing well.
I agree with everyone's advice. I do pretty much what Sophie does, look on Bookshare and Ibooks, before I go to the bookstinore.
One thing to keep in mind if you do use the bookstore. Normally, students either have the option to buy or rent the book. Most understandably choose to rent it, because it is cheaper and they aren't going to be keeping it anyway. But in order for the DSS  to scan a book they  often need to cut it, and can't cut it unless you buy it. This is a completely understandable policy, and one which is probably followed at most schools.
HTH
Vejas

> On Jan 15, 2018, at 14:28, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All:
> 
> I hope this email finds each of you enjoying a smooth start to your spring
> semester! It seems that, on this first day of classes for me, I find myself
> stumped on an accessibility question which I'm hoping you can help with. I
> received an email this morning from my DSS coordinator asking me to provide
> her with a "proof of purchase" for each of my textbooks. She says that
> students who receive alternative accessible copies of books are still
> required to buy the books from the campus bookstore in order to avoid
> copyright infringement on the part of the DSS office. As far as I
> understand, if DSS obtains a book from an accessible online resource such as
> AccessText, Bookshare, or Learning Ally, the Chaffee Amendment would protect
> them from copyright problems. Furthermore, if they get the accessible book
> directly from the book's publisher, the publisher is granting them access to
> the text, which should also protect the college from copyright problems. But
> my DSS coordinator is telling me I still need to buy my books from the
> Campus Store anyway.
> 
> So, can anyone explain how this works? Do I really need to buy the print
> books if I already got them from DSS in an accessible format? If I do need
> to buy them, what do I do with the print books once I get them? It seems
> like it would be a waste to buy a perfectly good book only for it to sit on
> my desk as I read the accessible copy which DSS got somewhere else. I want
> to do all that I need to in order to get access to my textbooks, but I also
> don't want to spend money unnecessarily. Thank you in advance for helping me
> make sense of this.
> 
> Chris Nusbaum
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Mon Jan 15 23:07:44 2018
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 15:07:44 -0800
Subject: [NABS-L] Proof of Purchase
In-Reply-To: <005e01d38e50$243cd250$6cb676f0$@gmail.com>
References: <005e01d38e50$243cd250$6cb676f0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9BE5344-8999-4C28-B98E-4095607E8485@gmail.com>

Just to add: if you so choose, you can request for a book to be available on Bookshare, but because of the sheer volume of requests it can take a long time. The longest I've had to wait is 3 months.
Vejas

> On Jan 15, 2018, at 14:28, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All:
> 
> I hope this email finds each of you enjoying a smooth start to your spring
> semester! It seems that, on this first day of classes for me, I find myself
> stumped on an accessibility question which I'm hoping you can help with. I
> received an email this morning from my DSS coordinator asking me to provide
> her with a "proof of purchase" for each of my textbooks. She says that
> students who receive alternative accessible copies of books are still
> required to buy the books from the campus bookstore in order to avoid
> copyright infringement on the part of the DSS office. As far as I
> understand, if DSS obtains a book from an accessible online resource such as
> AccessText, Bookshare, or Learning Ally, the Chaffee Amendment would protect
> them from copyright problems. Furthermore, if they get the accessible book
> directly from the book's publisher, the publisher is granting them access to
> the text, which should also protect the college from copyright problems. But
> my DSS coordinator is telling me I still need to buy my books from the
> Campus Store anyway.
> 
> So, can anyone explain how this works? Do I really need to buy the print
> books if I already got them from DSS in an accessible format? If I do need
> to buy them, what do I do with the print books once I get them? It seems
> like it would be a waste to buy a perfectly good book only for it to sit on
> my desk as I read the accessible copy which DSS got somewhere else. I want
> to do all that I need to in order to get access to my textbooks, but I also
> don't want to spend money unnecessarily. Thank you in advance for helping me
> make sense of this.
> 
> Chris Nusbaum
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 15 23:12:25 2018
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 18:12:25 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Proof of Purchase
In-Reply-To: <1e0b01d38e51$488d6ec0$d9a84c40$@gmail.com>
References: <005e01d38e50$243cd250$6cb676f0$@gmail.com>
	<1e0b01d38e51$488d6ec0$d9a84c40$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DC3A6F0A48B642868A429F46BCB75F54@OwnerPC>

Cory,

Yes its standard practice. I attended both a large state school and then a 
private religious school. At both schools that was the case.
I was required to provide the receit to prove I purchased the book before 
the DSS office provide an alternative ebook format.


However, to save money and the hastle of the busy bookstore, I do what 
Sophie does and search for accessible copies myself and download them if 
available prior to requesting books from the disability office. This assumes 
you are a member of the services. But I'm sure Chris is a member of learning 
ally and bookshare.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Cory McMahon via NABS-L
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 5:36 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Cory McMahon
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Proof of Purchase

I also have had to buy the print book in order to receive the
alternatively-formatted book: The DSS office at my college has stated that I
must provide them a receipt before they will provide me the book (s) in an
accessible format. I didn't question anything as I thought this was just
standard practice and a requirement which I must fulfill.

Sincerely,

Cory McMahon

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Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 4:28 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Chris Nusbaum <cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com>
Subject: [NABS-L] Proof of Purchase

Hello All:

I hope this email finds each of you enjoying a smooth start to your spring
semester! It seems that, on this first day of classes for me, I find myself
stumped on an accessibility question which I'm hoping you can help with. I
received an email this morning from my DSS coordinator asking me to provide
her with a "proof of purchase" for each of my textbooks. She says that
students who receive alternative accessible copies of books are still
required to buy the books from the campus bookstore in order to avoid
copyright infringement on the part of the DSS office. As far as I
understand, if DSS obtains a book from an accessible online resource such as
AccessText, Bookshare, or Learning Ally, the Chaffee Amendment would protect
them from copyright problems. Furthermore, if they get the accessible book
directly from the book's publisher, the publisher is granting them access to
the text, which should also protect the college from copyright problems. But
my DSS coordinator is telling me I still need to buy my books from the
Campus Store anyway.

So, can anyone explain how this works? Do I really need to buy the print
books if I already got them from DSS in an accessible format? If I do need
to buy them, what do I do with the print books once I get them? It seems
like it would be a waste to buy a perfectly good book only for it to sit on
my desk as I read the accessible copy which DSS got somewhere else. I want
to do all that I need to in order to get access to my textbooks, but I also
don't want to spend money unnecessarily. Thank you in advance for helping me
make sense of this.

Chris Nusbaum

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From sarah at sarahblakelarose.com  Mon Jan 15 23:32:45 2018
From: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com (sarah at sarahblakelarose.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 18:32:45 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Proof of Purchase
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References: <005e01d38e50$243cd250$6cb676f0$@gmail.com>
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Chris, first, get your own texts from Bookshare, etc. Do not let DSS do this for you. You can have your own accounts in your own name and you should absolutely do this at this stage in your life. There is no need for DSS to liaison between these agencies for you.

What DSS is talking about is scanning books for you. These offices require proof of purchase because universities are not actually covered by the Chaffee Amendment, but you yourself are allowed to have a scanned copy of the text for your personal use. They are covering their legal boundaries here. Under the Chaffee Amendment, a nonprofit institution whose mission is to produce alternative texts for people with reading disabilities can do so without seeking permission. Many universities are not established with this type of structure and mission statement. So they must rely on other aspects of the copyright law which grant you access rights, this being your own personal right to possess a copy of the text you need.

HTH.


Rev. Sarah Blake LaRose
http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
Accessible instruction in Biblical languages

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Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 5:28 PM
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Cc: Chris Nusbaum <cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com>
Subject: [NABS-L] Proof of Purchase

Hello All:

I hope this email finds each of you enjoying a smooth start to your spring semester! It seems that, on this first day of classes for me, I find myself stumped on an accessibility question which I'm hoping you can help with. I received an email this morning from my DSS coordinator asking me to provide her with a "proof of purchase" for each of my textbooks. She says that students who receive alternative accessible copies of books are still required to buy the books from the campus bookstore in order to avoid copyright infringement on the part of the DSS office. As far as I understand, if DSS obtains a book from an accessible online resource such as AccessText, Bookshare, or Learning Ally, the Chaffee Amendment would protect them from copyright problems. Furthermore, if they get the accessible book directly from the book's publisher, the publisher is granting them access to the text, which should also protect the college from copyright problems. But my DSS coordinator is telling me I still need to buy my books from the Campus Store anyway.

So, can anyone explain how this works? Do I really need to buy the print books if I already got them from DSS in an accessible format? If I do need to buy them, what do I do with the print books once I get them? It seems like it would be a waste to buy a perfectly good book only for it to sit on my desk as I read the accessible copy which DSS got somewhere else. I want to do all that I need to in order to get access to my textbooks, but I also don't want to spend money unnecessarily. Thank you in advance for helping me make sense of this.

Chris Nusbaum

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From sarah at sarahblakelarose.com  Mon Jan 15 23:34:20 2018
From: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com (sarah at sarahblakelarose.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 18:34:20 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Proof of Purchase
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	<697F3441-4B87-4FDE-939A-FC87544B7E8B@gmail.com>
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Yes, alternative sources are good to check. If you can find your texts from Amazon, they are often cheaper. Sometimes you can also find a Kindle version with text to speech enabled, avoiding the need for scanning altogether.


Rev. Sarah Blake LaRose
http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
Accessible instruction in Biblical languages

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 5:37 PM
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Cc: Jamie P. <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Proof of Purchase

You could always buy an ebook copy online through Amazon. They're usually much cheaper. I sometimes do that and just email my receipt to DSS. I don't know for sure about the laws surrounding this policy, but my university has it, too, so I just buy inexpensive electronic copies online. They can't require you to buy the book from the university bookstore, even if they can require you to buy it at all.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 15, 2018, at 15:28, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All:
> 
> I hope this email finds each of you enjoying a smooth start to your 
> spring semester! It seems that, on this first day of classes for me, I 
> find myself stumped on an accessibility question which I'm hoping you 
> can help with. I received an email this morning from my DSS 
> coordinator asking me to provide her with a "proof of purchase" for 
> each of my textbooks. She says that students who receive alternative 
> accessible copies of books are still required to buy the books from 
> the campus bookstore in order to avoid copyright infringement on the 
> part of the DSS office. As far as I understand, if DSS obtains a book 
> from an accessible online resource such as AccessText, Bookshare, or 
> Learning Ally, the Chaffee Amendment would protect them from copyright 
> problems. Furthermore, if they get the accessible book directly from 
> the book's publisher, the publisher is granting them access to the 
> text, which should also protect the college from copyright problems. 
> But my DSS coordinator is telling me I still need to buy my books from the Campus Store anyway.
> 
> So, can anyone explain how this works? Do I really need to buy the 
> print books if I already got them from DSS in an accessible format? If 
> I do need to buy them, what do I do with the print books once I get 
> them? It seems like it would be a waste to buy a perfectly good book 
> only for it to sit on my desk as I read the accessible copy which DSS 
> got somewhere else. I want to do all that I need to in order to get 
> access to my textbooks, but I also don't want to spend money 
> unnecessarily. Thank you in advance for helping me make sense of this.
> 
> Chris Nusbaum
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 16 00:12:36 2018
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 19:12:36 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Proof of Purchase
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Once classes are over the print books can be sold back to the bookstore if they were not used. I never had to buy any print books from the bookstore. I love my textbooks at the community college level were provided to me on CDs which I cleared out my name Victor reader CD player. When I went to the University of Central Florida, my textbooks were given to me from USB thumb drives.

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 15, 2018, at 5:28 PM, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All:
> 
> I hope this email finds each of you enjoying a smooth start to your spring
> semester! It seems that, on this first day of classes for me, I find myself
> stumped on an accessibility question which I'm hoping you can help with. I
> received an email this morning from my DSS coordinator asking me to provide
> her with a "proof of purchase" for each of my textbooks. She says that
> students who receive alternative accessible copies of books are still
> required to buy the books from the campus bookstore in order to avoid
> copyright infringement on the part of the DSS office. As far as I
> understand, if DSS obtains a book from an accessible online resource such as
> AccessText, Bookshare, or Learning Ally, the Chaffee Amendment would protect
> them from copyright problems. Furthermore, if they get the accessible book
> directly from the book's publisher, the publisher is granting them access to
> the text, which should also protect the college from copyright problems. But
> my DSS coordinator is telling me I still need to buy my books from the
> Campus Store anyway.
> 
> So, can anyone explain how this works? Do I really need to buy the print
> books if I already got them from DSS in an accessible format? If I do need
> to buy them, what do I do with the print books once I get them? It seems
> like it would be a waste to buy a perfectly good book only for it to sit on
> my desk as I read the accessible copy which DSS got somewhere else. I want
> to do all that I need to in order to get access to my textbooks, but I also
> don't want to spend money unnecessarily. Thank you in advance for helping me
> make sense of this.
> 
> Chris Nusbaum
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
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From chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 16 00:18:14 2018
From: chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com (chelsea peahl)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 00:18:14 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] Proof of Purchase
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References: <005e01d38e50$243cd250$6cb676f0$@gmail.com>
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Chris,
I work in a DSS office doing textbooks. It is required to purchase the book. A DSS Office is giving you access to the book in an alternative format, so you have to own the book to get that access. 
Just as other students have to rent/purchase a book, a student with a disability must do the same.


Chelsea Peahl

> On Jan 15, 2018, at 3:29 PM, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All:
> 
> I hope this email finds each of you enjoying a smooth start to your spring
> semester! It seems that, on this first day of classes for me, I find myself
> stumped on an accessibility question which I'm hoping you can help with. I
> received an email this morning from my DSS coordinator asking me to provide
> her with a "proof of purchase" for each of my textbooks. She says that
> students who receive alternative accessible copies of books are still
> required to buy the books from the campus bookstore in order to avoid
> copyright infringement on the part of the DSS office. As far as I
> understand, if DSS obtains a book from an accessible online resource such as
> AccessText, Bookshare, or Learning Ally, the Chaffee Amendment would protect
> them from copyright problems. Furthermore, if they get the accessible book
> directly from the book's publisher, the publisher is granting them access to
> the text, which should also protect the college from copyright problems. But
> my DSS coordinator is telling me I still need to buy my books from the
> Campus Store anyway.
> 
> So, can anyone explain how this works? Do I really need to buy the print
> books if I already got them from DSS in an accessible format? If I do need
> to buy them, what do I do with the print books once I get them? It seems
> like it would be a waste to buy a perfectly good book only for it to sit on
> my desk as I read the accessible copy which DSS got somewhere else. I want
> to do all that I need to in order to get access to my textbooks, but I also
> don't want to spend money unnecessarily. Thank you in advance for helping me
> make sense of this.
> 
> Chris Nusbaum
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
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From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Tue Jan 16 00:20:19 2018
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 01:20:19 +0100
Subject: [NABS-L] Proof of Purchase
In-Reply-To: <005e01d38e50$243cd250$6cb676f0$@gmail.com>
References: <005e01d38e50$243cd250$6cb676f0$@gmail.com>
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Hey Chris,
As far as I remember from when I was in college you only need to purchase a physical copy of the book if your DSS office is literally scanning or brailling it for you. Sometimes they would get a book from the library and start working on it ahead of time, but I still needed to buy it from the bookstore in order for them to be able to send it to me in digital format. Only in those cases was it necessary for them to have a proof of purchase. In other situations such as the ones you described I was never asked to buy them and I really don’t think you have to.
Hope this helps!

Sent from my iPhone

> On 15 Jan 2018, at 23:28, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All:
> 
> I hope this email finds each of you enjoying a smooth start to your spring
> semester! It seems that, on this first day of classes for me, I find myself
> stumped on an accessibility question which I'm hoping you can help with. I
> received an email this morning from my DSS coordinator asking me to provide
> her with a "proof of purchase" for each of my textbooks. She says that
> students who receive alternative accessible copies of books are still
> required to buy the books from the campus bookstore in order to avoid
> copyright infringement on the part of the DSS office. As far as I
> understand, if DSS obtains a book from an accessible online resource such as
> AccessText, Bookshare, or Learning Ally, the Chaffee Amendment would protect
> them from copyright problems. Furthermore, if they get the accessible book
> directly from the book's publisher, the publisher is granting them access to
> the text, which should also protect the college from copyright problems. But
> my DSS coordinator is telling me I still need to buy my books from the
> Campus Store anyway.
> 
> So, can anyone explain how this works? Do I really need to buy the print
> books if I already got them from DSS in an accessible format? If I do need
> to buy them, what do I do with the print books once I get them? It seems
> like it would be a waste to buy a perfectly good book only for it to sit on
> my desk as I read the accessible copy which DSS got somewhere else. I want
> to do all that I need to in order to get access to my textbooks, but I also
> don't want to spend money unnecessarily. Thank you in advance for helping me
> make sense of this.
> 
> Chris Nusbaum
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
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From ropermeaghan at gmail.com  Tue Jan 16 00:26:40 2018
From: ropermeaghan at gmail.com (Roper, Meaghan)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 19:26:40 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Proof of Purchase
In-Reply-To: <CY1PR1001MB1164C783A6B4F35260AB0BDEE4EA0@CY1PR1001MB1164.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
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	<CY1PR1001MB1164C783A6B4F35260AB0BDEE4EA0@CY1PR1001MB1164.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
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Hi all,

Typically  yes, you do need to purchase a print copy of the book. However, I have been able to get around this sometimes if the access and disability services office at my school already owns the book. Generally, they have been able to distribute to students accessible copies of the book. I would suggest meeting with this person to clarify this issue, sometimes email communication is not the best option when trying to work around these loopholes. 

Additionally, sometimes professors can request accessible copies of the teachers edition of the Book which they are also allowed to use for distribution to students for study purposes. I would suggest reaching out to the professor to see if they would be willing to email the publisher. This is also something that has worked for me in the past.

Finally, if you are forced to purchase a print copy of the book, I recommend selling it to Amazon or possibly other students taking the class in future semesters. Some colleges have book swap in bartering clubs available on their social media for students to do such things. You won’t get full price back on the book, but you should get a pretty good price since it will be in mint condition. Good luck.

Meaghan Roper
Wheelock college | Class of 2018

> On Jan 15, 2018, at 7:18 PM, chelsea peahl via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Chris,
> I work in a DSS office doing textbooks. It is required to purchase the book. A DSS Office is giving you access to the book in an alternative format, so you have to own the book to get that access. 
> Just as other students have to rent/purchase a book, a student with a disability must do the same.
> 
> 
> Chelsea Peahl
> 
>> On Jan 15, 2018, at 3:29 PM, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All:
>> 
>> I hope this email finds each of you enjoying a smooth start to your spring
>> semester! It seems that, on this first day of classes for me, I find myself
>> stumped on an accessibility question which I'm hoping you can help with. I
>> received an email this morning from my DSS coordinator asking me to provide
>> her with a "proof of purchase" for each of my textbooks. She says that
>> students who receive alternative accessible copies of books are still
>> required to buy the books from the campus bookstore in order to avoid
>> copyright infringement on the part of the DSS office. As far as I
>> understand, if DSS obtains a book from an accessible online resource such as
>> AccessText, Bookshare, or Learning Ally, the Chaffee Amendment would protect
>> them from copyright problems. Furthermore, if they get the accessible book
>> directly from the book's publisher, the publisher is granting them access to
>> the text, which should also protect the college from copyright problems. But
>> my DSS coordinator is telling me I still need to buy my books from the
>> Campus Store anyway.
>> 
>> So, can anyone explain how this works? Do I really need to buy the print
>> books if I already got them from DSS in an accessible format? If I do need
>> to buy them, what do I do with the print books once I get them? It seems
>> like it would be a waste to buy a perfectly good book only for it to sit on
>> my desk as I read the accessible copy which DSS got somewhere else. I want
>> to do all that I need to in order to get access to my textbooks, but I also
>> don't want to spend money unnecessarily. Thank you in advance for helping me
>> make sense of this.
>> 
>> Chris Nusbaum
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 16 01:02:31 2018
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 20:02:31 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Proof of Purchase
Message-ID: <5a5d4f53.092a810a.f25d3.214d@mx.google.com>



From kc9cpx at gmail.com  Tue Jan 16 01:30:45 2018
From: kc9cpx at gmail.com (sondra york)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 19:30:45 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] Proof of Purchase
In-Reply-To: <EBF24F1A-6002-4B45-A7DD-E6A12BD95077@icloud.com>
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	<EBF24F1A-6002-4B45-A7DD-E6A12BD95077@icloud.com>
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Tell them u have an accessible copy, if DHS got you the accessible copy, then you don’t have to buy it a second time. It’s not copyright they’re after, it’s money.

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 15, 2018, at 4:33 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Yes you are required to buy all books in print so that they can convert them 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 15, 2018, at 5:28 PM, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All:
>> 
>> I hope this email finds each of you enjoying a smooth start to your spring
>> semester! It seems that, on this first day of classes for me, I find myself
>> stumped on an accessibility question which I'm hoping you can help with. I
>> received an email this morning from my DSS coordinator asking me to provide
>> her with a "proof of purchase" for each of my textbooks. She says that
>> students who receive alternative accessible copies of books are still
>> required to buy the books from the campus bookstore in order to avoid
>> copyright infringement on the part of the DSS office. As far as I
>> understand, if DSS obtains a book from an accessible online resource such as
>> AccessText, Bookshare, or Learning Ally, the Chaffee Amendment would protect
>> them from copyright problems. Furthermore, if they get the accessible book
>> directly from the book's publisher, the publisher is granting them access to
>> the text, which should also protect the college from copyright problems. But
>> my DSS coordinator is telling me I still need to buy my books from the
>> Campus Store anyway.
>> 
>> So, can anyone explain how this works? Do I really need to buy the print
>> books if I already got them from DSS in an accessible format? If I do need
>> to buy them, what do I do with the print books once I get them? It seems
>> like it would be a waste to buy a perfectly good book only for it to sit on
>> my desk as I read the accessible copy which DSS got somewhere else. I want
>> to do all that I need to in order to get access to my textbooks, but I also
>> don't want to spend money unnecessarily. Thank you in advance for helping me
>> make sense of this.
>> 
>> Chris Nusbaum
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From amieelsabo at gmail.com  Tue Jan 16 02:48:24 2018
From: amieelsabo at gmail.com (Amy Sabo)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 19:48:24 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] Proof of Purchase
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hello chris,

this is a good question indeed.. when I attended my universities in
Colorado I was able to get most of my books in accessible formats like
learning ali or through the publisher sent to me via email through the
dss. but, before it was all done digitally, the dss would put my books
on tape but, now it's all done on cd or sent to me via email. if the
dss had a copy of the book in a electronic version in their collection
then I wouldn't have to purchase it or if it was through learning ali
then I didn't have to purchase it! but, if the book wasn't in their
collection of scanned books they would have to have me buy the printed
version so, they could break down the book so, they could scan it and,
then put it into msword version so, I could read it on my computer or
also put it onto my mp3 player too!  the reason for purchasing the
book is for copyright versions they need purchase that you purchased
it and, by that they will just make a copy of the receipt so, thety
can keep in file for you. so, just email them the dss your book list
each semester to see if the books are in a accessible format via
etext. if not then contact the dss. also, you can get that information
through the bookstore or through their web site too!  I woul also
check through learning ali, bookshare, amazon, and other accessible
avenues on your own before contacting the dss office. if these avenuse
don't have the books then go the route that I suggested above. you
should have your own membership through amazon, learning ali, and
bookshare! not one from the dss or your school's. when I began my
college career in 2000 the dss did this for me which was a major pain
in the butt and, I wasn't in control of my books or my own education
even though I was new to being a college student who was blind and, I
also attended a community college in Michigan too!

well, that's my ideas on this topic take care and, good luck in your
college carrer this semester!




hugs,
amy

On 1/15/18, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello All:
>
> I hope this email finds each of you enjoying a smooth start to your spring
> semester! It seems that, on this first day of classes for me, I find myself
> stumped on an accessibility question which I'm hoping you can help with. I
> received an email this morning from my DSS coordinator asking me to provide
> her with a "proof of purchase" for each of my textbooks. She says that
> students who receive alternative accessible copies of books are still
> required to buy the books from the campus bookstore in order to avoid
> copyright infringement on the part of the DSS office. As far as I
> understand, if DSS obtains a book from an accessible online resource such
> as
> AccessText, Bookshare, or Learning Ally, the Chaffee Amendment would
> protect
> them from copyright problems. Furthermore, if they get the accessible book
> directly from the book's publisher, the publisher is granting them access
> to
> the text, which should also protect the college from copyright problems.
> But
> my DSS coordinator is telling me I still need to buy my books from the
> Campus Store anyway.
>
> So, can anyone explain how this works? Do I really need to buy the print
> books if I already got them from DSS in an accessible format? If I do need
> to buy them, what do I do with the print books once I get them? It seems
> like it would be a waste to buy a perfectly good book only for it to sit on
> my desk as I read the accessible copy which DSS got somewhere else. I want
> to do all that I need to in order to get access to my textbooks, but I also
> don't want to spend money unnecessarily. Thank you in advance for helping
> me
> make sense of this.
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
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From amieelsabo at gmail.com  Tue Jan 16 03:02:13 2018
From: amieelsabo at gmail.com (Amy Sabo)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 20:02:13 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] Fwd: [nFBMI-Talk] Civil rights, Poetry and Romance
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Lydia Anne Schuck via NFBMI-Talk <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 21:27:34 +0000
Subject: Re: [nFBMI-Talk] Civil rights, Poetry and Romance
To: NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Lydia Anne Schuck <lydia.a.schuck at wmich.edu>

Fred, I sang it in high school choir, and I still remember a lot of
the words. That was probably a couple hundred voices. Lydia

________________________________
From: NFBMI-Talk <nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> on behalf of Fred
Wurtzel via NFBMI-Talk <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 3:49:13 PM
To: msb-alumni at freelists.org
Cc: Fred Wurtzel
Subject: [nFBMI-Talk] Civil rights, Poetry and Romance

Hello,



Here are the lyrics to a song sometimes referred to as the "Black National
Anthem."  I believe it speaks to all of America and the world for that
matter.  I apologize if you are familiar with this, but I am so moved by
this song.  I have been aware of the song for quite a while, but I have
never really studied it.  Today, in celebration of Martin Luther King's
Birthday, I listened to 15 or 20 different renditions of the song thanks to
Apple Music.  It is so great.  Not all interpretations are equal, though I
leave it to you to take a listen and choose your favorite.



To me, this song is totally appropriate at Passover.  I can imagine Moses
reciting this poem or singing this song. It is an eternal song of struggle
away from oppression, bondage and subjugation, clearly appropriate to our
struggles as blind folks.  It is also a warning not to forget how we got
where we are.  All struggles have these things in common and never seem to
end.  We must always embrace faith and hope, as the lyrics note.



I hope you don't mind my little meditation on this song.  It has been
uplifting and grounding for me.  I hope it can have that effect for some of
you.



By the way, the song was written by James Weldon Johnson in 1900 to
commemorate Lincoln's birthday.  When I was in about 6th or 7th grade, Mary
Iscaro, now Wurtzel,  was in high school Forensics competition for the
Michigan School for the Blind.  Her entry was a recitation  of "The
Creation" by James Weldon Johnson.  Totally unknown to mary (I am 4 years
younger than Mary), I was in the audience in the Lions hall Auditorium where
she did a dress rehearsal of her recitation.  I was young and not much
acquainted with poetry or dramatic reading.  Mary truly blew me out of my
seat with her recitation.  She never knew of how moving this was to me until
we were married some 13 or so years later.  Johnson is a pretty amazing
writer and has had an impact on my life, even if in a kind of crazy romantic
way.  Poetry and civil rights are like that.



Warmest Regards,



Fred



Lift Every Voice and Sing



James Weldon Johnson

,

1871

-

1938





Lift every voice and sing, Till earth and heaven ring, Ring with the
harmonies of Liberty; Let our rejoicing rise High as the list'ning skies,
Let it resound loud as the rolling sea. Sing a song full of the faith that
the dark past has taught us, Sing a song full of the hope that the present
has brought us; Facing the rising sun of our new day begun, Let us march on
till victory is won. Stony the road we trod, Bitter the chast'ning rod, Felt
in the days when hope unborn had died; Yet with a steady beat, Have not our
weary feet Come to the place for which our fathers sighed? We have come over
a way that with tears has been watered. We have come, treading our path
through the blood of the slaughtered, Out from the gloomy past, Till now we
stand at last Where the white gleam of our bright star is cast. God of our
weary years, God of our silent tears, Thou who hast brought us thus far on
the way; Thou who hast by Thy might, Led us into the light, Keep us forever
in the path, we pray. Lest our feet stray from the places, our God, where we
met Thee, Lest our hearts, drunk with the wine of the world, we forget Thee;
Shadowed beneath Thy hand, May we forever stand, True to our God,  True to
our native land.





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hello all,

i'm forwarding to you all a song/poem which was sent to me through the
nfb of mi nfbnet list today! I hope that you enjoy it all since it
represents mlk day today!


From jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com  Tue Jan 16 11:47:09 2018
From: jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com (Jason Polansky)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 06:47:09 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Proof of Purchase
In-Reply-To: <005e01d38e50$243cd250$6cb676f0$@gmail.com>
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Yes, I think everything that's been said here is correct. I typically check Bookshare, iBooks, and also VitalSource.com which I don't think has been mentioned yet. Often times, with VitalSource, you can rent a book for six months which is much cheaper than paying full price. After the six months are over, it just automatically deletes the book from your library. The only books that I have bought in hard copy are the ones that Kim Higham has Brailled or thathe ones that are specific to Messiah College only. Some classes at Messiah have course packets that you have to buy from the bookstore. I will purchase the book and then take it to disability services so they can either scan or send me an electronic copy that they will either e-mail to me or share through Google drive. I think there have been one or two books that were not available on line and that I had to order ahard copy through Amazon of which disability services scanned. Hope this helps and that college is going well for you. 

> On Jan 15, 2018, at 5:28 PM, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All:
> 
> I hope this email finds each of you enjoying a smooth start to your spring
> semester! It seems that, on this first day of classes for me, I find myself
> stumped on an accessibility question which I'm hoping you can help with. I
> received an email this morning from my DSS coordinator asking me to provide
> her with a "proof of purchase" for each of my textbooks. She says that
> students who receive alternative accessible copies of books are still
> required to buy the books from the campus bookstore in order to avoid
> copyright infringement on the part of the DSS office. As far as I
> understand, if DSS obtains a book from an accessible online resource such as
> AccessText, Bookshare, or Learning Ally, the Chaffee Amendment would protect
> them from copyright problems. Furthermore, if they get the accessible book
> directly from the book's publisher, the publisher is granting them access to
> the text, which should also protect the college from copyright problems. But
> my DSS coordinator is telling me I still need to buy my books from the
> Campus Store anyway.
> 
> So, can anyone explain how this works? Do I really need to buy the print
> books if I already got them from DSS in an accessible format? If I do need
> to buy them, what do I do with the print books once I get them? It seems
> like it would be a waste to buy a perfectly good book only for it to sit on
> my desk as I read the accessible copy which DSS got somewhere else. I want
> to do all that I need to in order to get access to my textbooks, but I also
> don't want to spend money unnecessarily. Thank you in advance for helping me
> make sense of this.
> 
> Chris Nusbaum
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 16 14:06:06 2018
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 09:06:06 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Proof of Purchase
Message-ID: <5a5e06cf.41a9ca0a.34ebb.5c71@mx.google.com>

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From annita.co.usa at gmail.com  Tue Jan 16 19:11:31 2018
From: annita.co.usa at gmail.com (Anya Fuller)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 13:11:31 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] Proof of Purchase
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Hello,
in college I was lucky enough to find most of my books on Bookshare
and other similar sites. Sometimes my professors had extra copies of
their books and they just gave them to DSS for scanning at no charge.
I understand it is not a standard practice, and I was just lucky that
way, but it really helped.
Also, if your DSS office has already provided you with the accessible
books, and all they want you to do is to show them the proof of
purchase, you should do what a number of people have advised; buy
those books and return them as soon as the DSS sees your receits.
Have a great semester!

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From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 17 02:12:56 2018
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 21:12:56 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] good news for me!!
Message-ID: <01d601d38f38$b14165b0$13c43110$@gmail.com>

Good day Nabsters, 

I hope that the semester is going well for all. I am pleased to report that
after years fighting the idea of training I have spent the last two days at
BISM to experience their program. I will be taking the precollege plunge to
training at the end of June! I can't wait to open this new chapter in my
life and become more college ready. 

See you all at Wash sem! 

Nesma 


From kat.bottner at gmail.com  Wed Jan 17 02:30:31 2018
From: kat.bottner at gmail.com (Kathryn Bottner)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 21:30:31 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] good news for me!!
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References: <01d601d38f38$b14165b0$13c43110$@gmail.com>
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Hi Nesma,
Congratulations! I hope things work out for you while at BISM, and hope to
see you at #WS18!
Take Care,
Kat
Kat Bottner
NFB of Delaware Affiliate President
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Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 9:13 PM
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Subject: [NABS-L] good news for me!!

Good day Nabsters, 

I hope that the semester is going well for all. I am pleased to report that
after years fighting the idea of training I have spent the last two days at
BISM to experience their program. I will be taking the precollege plunge to
training at the end of June! I can't wait to open this new chapter in my
life and become more college ready. 

See you all at Wash sem! 

Nesma 

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From cory.j.mcmahon at gmail.com  Wed Jan 17 03:46:27 2018
From: cory.j.mcmahon at gmail.com (Cory McMahon)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 21:46:27 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] good news for me!!
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Congratulations on beginning a new chapter in your life!

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 8:13 PM
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Subject: [NABS-L] good news for me!!

Good day Nabsters, 

I hope that the semester is going well for all. I am pleased to report that
after years fighting the idea of training I have spent the last two days at
BISM to experience their program. I will be taking the precollege plunge to
training at the end of June! I can't wait to open this new chapter in my
life and become more college ready. 

See you all at Wash sem! 

Nesma 

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om



From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Wed Jan 17 04:52:23 2018
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 22:52:23 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] Scholarships Available for Legally Blind Students,
 apply by April 15, 2018
Message-ID: <0cc501d38f4e$f7454750$e5cfd5f0$@visi.com>


The following comes from Lori Anderson, the chair of the NFB of Minnesota
Scholarship Committee:

The National Federation of the Blind of Minnesota is pleased to announce
that the application window for our 2018 scholarships is open now through
April 15.  Legally blind postsecondary students attending school full-time
in Minnesota are encouraged to apply.  Please download the application and
all pertinent information at http://www.nfbmn.org or use the attached
document.  If possible, please fill out the application using the Microsoft
Word document and send it with the required documents to
Scholarships at nfbmn.org.  If it is necessary to submit the application on
paper, use the mailing address supplied with the application.  An online
application form is also available.

For help with the application process, please contact me:
Lori Anderson
Scholarship Committee Chair
National Federation of the Blind of Minnesota
Scholarships at nfbmn.org
612-270-4381


*** A Note from our national office:  Thirty-one scholarships will be
awarded by the National Federation of the Blind.  The deadline for NFB
applications is March 31, 2017.  Details are accessible from the main page
of the National Federation of the Blind website: https://www.nfb.org.  


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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 17 13:05:21 2018
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 13:05:21 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] FW: Braille Medical Dictionary Available
Message-ID: <BY1PR0401MB1238630EDBD4A470CF2E006BBAE90@BY1PR0401MB1238.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Hello All,

I am simply passing along this message for anyone who may be interested.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

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Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 12:54 PM
To: Fred Wurtzel <f.wurtzel at att.net>
Cc: Fred Wurtzel <f.wurtzel at att.net>
Subject: [nFBMI-Talk] Braille Medical Dictionary Available

Hello,

I have been asked to post a notice offering a Braille Medical Transcription
Dictionary.  It is 24 volumes.  It will be shipped Free matter for the Blind
to anyone who would like it.

 Please reply to me if interested.

 Warmest Regards,
Fred 

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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 17 13:34:10 2018
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 08:34:10 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] good news for me!!
Message-ID: <5a5f50d5.cb169d0a.17877.e393@mx.google.com>

I am so happy for you.  Please keep us posted on your training 
progress.


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 17 13:41:05 2018
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 08:41:05 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Is Braille Overrated?
Message-ID: <5a5f5274.70339d0a.c4e96.da7b@mx.google.com>

Dear Students,

I hope all of you are doing well.  Yesterday my dad met a blind 
student who came into his office to pay their tuition during the 
afternoon rush.  He told my Dad that he tells people that braille 
is overrated.  I think it is importat for all blind children to 
learn to read and write braille.  The use of braille is essential 
for both personal academic and employment success.  What are your 
thoughts on this?

Sincerely,

Roanna Bacchus


From ljmaher03 at outlook.com  Wed Jan 17 14:59:42 2018
From: ljmaher03 at outlook.com (Louis Maher)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 14:59:42 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] Resources for students with visual disabilities
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	<000001d38d6c$aae316f0$00a944d0$@nfbtx.org>
	<CY4PR11MB202371B2EC5BF3EA1CF0A747AAEB0@CY4PR11MB2023.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
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Folks,

This is an interesting accessibility resource for colleges.  The author is looking for a place where this article can be referenced.  Does anyone know of an appropriate resource list that could provide this article a home?

Regards
Louis Maher
Phone 713-444-7838
E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com<mailto:ljmaher03 at outlook.com>


From: Ryan Kelly [mailto:ryan.k at affordablecollegecommunity.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 10:39 AM
To: lmaher at nfbtx.org<mailto:lmaher at nfbtx.org>
Subject: Resources for students with visual disabilities


Hi Louis,

I'm sure you're busy, but have you had the time to check out the visual disabilities guide I sent your way? I think it could be a great guide for your community and make a nice addition to http://www.nfbtx.org/.

If you still need time to check it out, it's available here:
Visual Disabilities Guide for Students - https://www.affordablecollegesonline.org/colleges-helping-visually-impaired-students/

Please let me know if you have any questions or feedback on the guide. Also, if you plan on including this as an additional resource, will you send over a quick note?

Thanks,
Ryan Kelly
Communications
Affordable Colleges Online

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From alliefa1999 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 17 15:00:05 2018
From: alliefa1999 at gmail.com (Alexandra Alfonso)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 10:00:05 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Is Braille Overrated?
In-Reply-To: <5a5f5274.70339d0a.c4e96.da7b@mx.google.com>
References: <5a5f5274.70339d0a.c4e96.da7b@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAO84cXqEWUF-x90PRst7SK+EnkD2M_xcZnJxPKg6XHf9tqBa-A@mail.gmail.com>

I agree. Although you migt use a computer for college and imployment,
it's still important for you too at least learn braille.

On 1/17/18, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Dear Students,
>
> I hope all of you are doing well.  Yesterday my dad met a blind
> student who came into his office to pay their tuition during the
> afternoon rush.  He told my Dad that he tells people that braille
> is overrated.  I think it is importat for all blind children to
> learn to read and write braille.  The use of braille is essential
> for both personal academic and employment success.  What are your
> thoughts on this?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Roanna Bacchus
>
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From zdreicer at gmail.com  Wed Jan 17 15:19:17 2018
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 08:19:17 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] Is Braille Overrated?
In-Reply-To: <5a5f5274.70339d0a.c4e96.da7b@mx.google.com>
References: <5a5f5274.70339d0a.c4e96.da7b@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <D3263B3F-0563-4C9E-9C98-0BB6493E466C@gmail.com>

Braille is very much necessary. I think that it must be kept up with so that blind people like you and die can accomplish daily activities of living and maintain a much-needed system of communication, because that is our basis of all written communication.

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver

> On Jan 17, 2018, at 06:41, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Students,
> 
> I hope all of you are doing well.  Yesterday my dad met a blind student who came into his office to pay their tuition during the afternoon rush.  He told my Dad that he tells people that braille is overrated.  I think it is importat for all blind children to learn to read and write braille.  The use of braille is essential for both personal academic and employment success.  What are your thoughts on this?
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Roanna Bacchus
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
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From jameyanne at gmail.com  Wed Jan 17 15:23:19 2018
From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 10:23:19 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Is Braille Overrated?
In-Reply-To: <CAO84cXqEWUF-x90PRst7SK+EnkD2M_xcZnJxPKg6XHf9tqBa-A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5a5f5274.70339d0a.c4e96.da7b@mx.google.com>
	<CAO84cXqEWUF-x90PRst7SK+EnkD2M_xcZnJxPKg6XHf9tqBa-A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006301d38fa7$1b3d02d0$51b70870$@gmail.com>

While you might use a computer or listen to audiobooks, it is essential to
have all the tools you can, just like sighted students. Learning Braille
gives students fundamental understanding of grammar and spelling, improves
their reading comprehension and critical thinking skills, and ultimately
prepares them to be more successful in school and work. It would be
ridiculous to propose that sighted students only learn to read and write
through audio means. It's ridiculous for that to be considered for blind
students. I have a blog post ranting about this somewhere. I'll try to find
it.
Jameyanne

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alexandra
Alfonso via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 10:00 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Alexandra Alfonso <alliefa1999 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Is Braille Overrated?

I agree. Although you migt use a computer for college and imployment,
it's still important for you too at least learn braille.

On 1/17/18, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Dear Students,
>
> I hope all of you are doing well.  Yesterday my dad met a blind
> student who came into his office to pay their tuition during the
> afternoon rush.  He told my Dad that he tells people that braille
> is overrated.  I think it is importat for all blind children to
> learn to read and write braille.  The use of braille is essential
> for both personal academic and employment success.  What are your
> thoughts on this?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Roanna Bacchus
>
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From jameyanne at gmail.com  Wed Jan 17 15:32:53 2018
From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 10:32:53 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Is Braille Overrated?
In-Reply-To: <D3263B3F-0563-4C9E-9C98-0BB6493E466C@gmail.com>
References: <5a5f5274.70339d0a.c4e96.da7b@mx.google.com>
	<D3263B3F-0563-4C9E-9C98-0BB6493E466C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006401d38fa8$735515b0$59ff4110$@gmail.com>

Blog post found: https://jameyannefuller.com/2016/03/08/i-read-too/
This was a rant about a post I read somewhere that said that Braille was
useless and unnecessary (by someone who had no idea what they were talking
about), that I then turned into an application essay for law school, that I
then adapted into a blog post. I realize that I haven't included links to
the studies and things I'm talking about in this post, and at some point if
I ever have time I will go through and include links to relevant sources,
but this is my complete answer to your question.

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Zachary N.
Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 10:19 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer <zdreicer at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Is Braille Overrated?

Braille is very much necessary. I think that it must be kept up with so that
blind people like you and die can accomplish daily activities of living and
maintain a much-needed system of communication, because that is our basis of
all written communication.

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
blindness is not what holds you back.
Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver

> On Jan 17, 2018, at 06:41, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> Dear Students,
> 
> I hope all of you are doing well.  Yesterday my dad met a blind student
who came into his office to pay their tuition during the afternoon rush.  He
told my Dad that he tells people that braille is overrated.  I think it is
importat for all blind children to learn to read and write braille.  The use
of braille is essential for both personal academic and employment success.
What are your thoughts on this?
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Roanna Bacchus
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
NABS-L:
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From louvins at gmail.com  Wed Jan 17 15:43:34 2018
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 09:43:34 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] Is Braille Overrated?
In-Reply-To: <006401d38fa8$735515b0$59ff4110$@gmail.com>
References: <5a5f5274.70339d0a.c4e96.da7b@mx.google.com>
	<D3263B3F-0563-4C9E-9C98-0BB6493E466C@gmail.com>
	<006401d38fa8$735515b0$59ff4110$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADUoy9v+uSEQEqDQ+9ZiifOtULHaZObw9uxayyDZDh-DRQCODA@mail.gmail.com>

I'll admit that I do not use braille as much as I once did.  I used it
quite a bit in elementary school and middle school.  Especially for
reading books.  However, listening to audio is so much easier these
days.  However, I'm very glad that I can read and write braille.
Knowing how to read and write braille gives one a much needed
understanding of how words are spelled.  That is very important
especially when having to do any kind of writing like essays and
papers for college.  This is where a braille display hooked up to a
computer would be extremely helpful.  You could immediately look at
your display while writing a paper to check how a word was spelled.
You couldn't do this if you didn't already know braille.
Spellcheckers are good, but they are no substitute for knoledge of
already knowing how to spell words.

On 1/17/18, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Blog post found: https://jameyannefuller.com/2016/03/08/i-read-too/
> This was a rant about a post I read somewhere that said that Braille was
> useless and unnecessary (by someone who had no idea what they were talking
> about), that I then turned into an application essay for law school, that I
> then adapted into a blog post. I realize that I haven't included links to
> the studies and things I'm talking about in this post, and at some point if
> I ever have time I will go through and include links to relevant sources,
> but this is my complete answer to your question.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Zachary N.
> Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 10:19 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer <zdreicer at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Is Braille Overrated?
>
> Braille is very much necessary. I think that it must be kept up with so
> that
> blind people like you and die can accomplish daily activities of living and
> maintain a much-needed system of communication, because that is our basis
> of
> all written communication.
>
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
> blindness is not what holds you back.
> Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
>
>> On Jan 17, 2018, at 06:41, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Students,
>>
>> I hope all of you are doing well.  Yesterday my dad met a blind student
> who came into his office to pay their tuition during the afternoon rush.
> He
> told my Dad that he tells people that braille is overrated.  I think it is
> importat for all blind children to learn to read and write braille.  The
> use
> of braille is essential for both personal academic and employment success.
> What are your thoughts on this?
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Roanna Bacchus
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NABS-L:
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>
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-- 
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson


From mausam.mehta00 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 17 15:47:52 2018
From: mausam.mehta00 at gmail.com (Mausam Mehta)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 10:47:52 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Is Braille Overrated?
In-Reply-To: <006401d38fa8$735515b0$59ff4110$@gmail.com>
References: <5a5f5274.70339d0a.c4e96.da7b@mx.google.com>
	<D3263B3F-0563-4C9E-9C98-0BB6493E466C@gmail.com>
	<006401d38fa8$735515b0$59ff4110$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8DA0A65E-9116-4BB4-846E-D4D44FE4EB97@gmail.com>

Hi Jameyanne,
Thank you for sharing this post. These are my feelings exactly. As a blind student, I was lucky enough to have a smooth introduction to braille from my public school district when I was a toddler. But that’s the thing. I was lucky. Why should we be lucky to receive literacy?
I’ve heard so many heartbreaking cases of parents fighting tooth and nail with their district to provide braille for their blind children, but to no avail. Lack of money, lack of resources, lack of instruction. In response to the original question then, yes. Braille is absolutely not overrated. In fact, it’s underrated. It is so important.

> On Jan 17, 2018, at 10:32 AM, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Blog post found: https://jameyannefuller.com/2016/03/08/i-read-too/
> This was a rant about a post I read somewhere that said that Braille was
> useless and unnecessary (by someone who had no idea what they were talking
> about), that I then turned into an application essay for law school, that I
> then adapted into a blog post. I realize that I haven't included links to
> the studies and things I'm talking about in this post, and at some point if
> I ever have time I will go through and include links to relevant sources,
> but this is my complete answer to your question.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Zachary N.
> Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 10:19 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer <zdreicer at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Is Braille Overrated?
> 
> Braille is very much necessary. I think that it must be kept up with so that
> blind people like you and die can accomplish daily activities of living and
> maintain a much-needed system of communication, because that is our basis of
> all written communication.
> 
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
> blindness is not what holds you back.
> Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
> 
>> On Jan 17, 2018, at 06:41, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Students,
>> 
>> I hope all of you are doing well.  Yesterday my dad met a blind student
> who came into his office to pay their tuition during the afternoon rush.  He
> told my Dad that he tells people that braille is overrated.  I think it is
> importat for all blind children to learn to read and write braille.  The use
> of braille is essential for both personal academic and employment success.
> What are your thoughts on this?
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> Roanna Bacchus
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 17 15:51:11 2018
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 10:51:11 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Is Braille Overrated?
In-Reply-To: <CADUoy9v+uSEQEqDQ+9ZiifOtULHaZObw9uxayyDZDh-DRQCODA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5a5f5274.70339d0a.c4e96.da7b@mx.google.com>
	<D3263B3F-0563-4C9E-9C98-0BB6493E466C@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <27CAEE03-2251-40F5-9D40-15BF64D963EE@gmail.com>

Are you spray oil on a daily basis. I feel it is necessary for blind children and adults to learn braille so they can maintain their independence from daily living activities.

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 17, 2018, at 10:43 AM, Joshua Hendrickson via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I'll admit that I do not use braille as much as I once did.  I used it
> quite a bit in elementary school and middle school.  Especially for
> reading books.  However, listening to audio is so much easier these
> days.  However, I'm very glad that I can read and write braille.
> Knowing how to read and write braille gives one a much needed
> understanding of how words are spelled.  That is very important
> especially when having to do any kind of writing like essays and
> papers for college.  This is where a braille display hooked up to a
> computer would be extremely helpful.  You could immediately look at
> your display while writing a paper to check how a word was spelled.
> You couldn't do this if you didn't already know braille.
> Spellcheckers are good, but they are no substitute for knoledge of
> already knowing how to spell words.
> 
>> On 1/17/18, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Blog post found: https://jameyannefuller.com/2016/03/08/i-read-too/
>> This was a rant about a post I read somewhere that said that Braille was
>> useless and unnecessary (by someone who had no idea what they were talking
>> about), that I then turned into an application essay for law school, that I
>> then adapted into a blog post. I realize that I haven't included links to
>> the studies and things I'm talking about in this post, and at some point if
>> I ever have time I will go through and include links to relevant sources,
>> but this is my complete answer to your question.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Zachary N.
>> Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 10:19 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer <zdreicer at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Is Braille Overrated?
>> 
>> Braille is very much necessary. I think that it must be kept up with so
>> that
>> blind people like you and die can accomplish daily activities of living and
>> maintain a much-needed system of communication, because that is our basis
>> of
>> all written communication.
>> 
>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
>> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
>> blindness is not what holds you back.
>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
>> 
>>>> On Jan 17, 2018, at 06:41, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear Students,
>>> 
>>> I hope all of you are doing well.  Yesterday my dad met a blind student
>> who came into his office to pay their tuition during the afternoon rush.
>> He
>> told my Dad that he tells people that braille is overrated.  I think it is
>> importat for all blind children to learn to read and write braille.  The
>> use
>> of braille is essential for both personal academic and employment success.
>> What are your thoughts on this?
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> 
>>> Roanna Bacchus
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> NABS-L:
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>> 
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> 
> -- 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> 
> Joshua Hendrickson
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 17 15:56:15 2018
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 10:56:15 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Is Braille Overrated?
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I Who are you with your point. I also received a great amount of Braelin instruction when I was in public school. My teachers work hard to bring all my assignments and make sure that I turned them in on time.

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 17, 2018, at 10:47 AM, Mausam Mehta via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jameyanne,
> Thank you for sharing this post. These are my feelings exactly. As a blind student, I was lucky enough to have a smooth introduction to braille from my public school district when I was a toddler. But that’s the thing. I was lucky. Why should we be lucky to receive literacy?
> I’ve heard so many heartbreaking cases of parents fighting tooth and nail with their district to provide braille for their blind children, but to no avail. Lack of money, lack of resources, lack of instruction. In response to the original question then, yes. Braille is absolutely not overrated. In fact, it’s underrated. It is so important.
> 
>> On Jan 17, 2018, at 10:32 AM, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Blog post found: https://jameyannefuller.com/2016/03/08/i-read-too/
>> This was a rant about a post I read somewhere that said that Braille was
>> useless and unnecessary (by someone who had no idea what they were talking
>> about), that I then turned into an application essay for law school, that I
>> then adapted into a blog post. I realize that I haven't included links to
>> the studies and things I'm talking about in this post, and at some point if
>> I ever have time I will go through and include links to relevant sources,
>> but this is my complete answer to your question.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Zachary N.
>> Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 10:19 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer <zdreicer at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Is Braille Overrated?
>> 
>> Braille is very much necessary. I think that it must be kept up with so that
>> blind people like you and die can accomplish daily activities of living and
>> maintain a much-needed system of communication, because that is our basis of
>> all written communication.
>> 
>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
>> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
>> blindness is not what holds you back.
>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
>> 
>>>> On Jan 17, 2018, at 06:41, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear Students,
>>> 
>>> I hope all of you are doing well.  Yesterday my dad met a blind student
>> who came into his office to pay their tuition during the afternoon rush.  He
>> told my Dad that he tells people that braille is overrated.  I think it is
>> importat for all blind children to learn to read and write braille.  The use
>> of braille is essential for both personal academic and employment success.
>> What are your thoughts on this?
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> 
>>> Roanna Bacchus
>>> 
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From yllekann at gmail.com  Wed Jan 17 16:03:43 2018
From: yllekann at gmail.com (Kelly)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 11:03:43 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Is Braille Overrated?
In-Reply-To: <5a5f5274.70339d0a.c4e96.da7b@mx.google.com>
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Roanna,
     I am definitaly with you on this one!  It is vital that every blind child be exposed to braille.  How much the child chooses to use it is another matter, but every child deserves exposure.  I, for one, prefer braille over print and audio, even though I could use both in a pinch.  Print is painfully slow and audio just doesn't allow for active reading.  Plus, parts of the brain responsible for reading and writing will never fully develop without some way to actively read.  It certainly depends on the student, but I would be lost without braille.

Have a great day!
Kelly

> On Jan 17, 2018, at 08:41, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Students,
> 
> I hope all of you are doing well.  Yesterday my dad met a blind student who came into his office to pay their tuition during the afternoon rush.  He told my Dad that he tells people that braille is overrated.  I think it is importat for all blind children to learn to read and write braille.  The use of braille is essential for both personal academic and employment success.  What are your thoughts on this?
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Roanna Bacchus
> 
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 17 16:16:57 2018
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 11:16:57 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Is Braille Overrated?
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	<957FD541-C1C5-4F95-BB51-70DB36581FE3@gmail.com>
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Agree with you!

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 17, 2018, at 11:03 AM, Kelly via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Roanna,
>     I am definitaly with you on this one!  It is vital that every blind child be exposed to braille.  How much the child chooses to use it is another matter, but every child deserves exposure.  I, for one, prefer braille over print and audio, even though I could use both in a pinch.  Print is painfully slow and audio just doesn't allow for active reading.  Plus, parts of the brain responsible for reading and writing will never fully develop without some way to actively read.  It certainly depends on the student, but I would be lost without braille.
> 
> Have a great day!
> Kelly
> 
>> On Jan 17, 2018, at 08:41, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Students,
>> 
>> I hope all of you are doing well.  Yesterday my dad met a blind student who came into his office to pay their tuition during the afternoon rush.  He told my Dad that he tells people that braille is overrated.  I think it is importat for all blind children to learn to read and write braille.  The use of braille is essential for both personal academic and employment success.  What are your thoughts on this?
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> Roanna Bacchus
>> 
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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 17 16:56:26 2018
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 11:56:26 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Blackboard Ally is hiring Community Manager
Message-ID: <5a5f803e.0cc0370a.f7dbe.76b1@mx.google.com>

Hi,
I just signed up for a loom knit mittens class, through krafters korner.
I got my confirmation, but I got it twice.

Can you fix that?

Thanks,
Jessica

On Jan 11, 2018 4:29 PM, David Andrews via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>
> > 
> >I just wanted to clarify that this position is 
> >open to remote candidates as well. 
> > 
> >Note that the link to the position has changed 
> >slightly and is now available at 
> ><https://careers.blackboard.com/technology/position/ally-community-manager>https://careers.blackboard.com/technology/position/ally-community-manager. 
> > 
> >Thanks! 
> >Nicolaas 
> > 
> > 
> >>On 9 Jan 2018, at 20:40, Nicolaas Matthijs 
> >><<mailto:nicolaas at fronteer.io>nicolaas at fronteer.io> wrote: 
> >> 
> >>The Blackboard Ally team is looking for a 
> >>motivated Community Manager and Accessibility 
> >>Subject Matter Expert. This position will offer 
> >>an exciting combination of activities: 
> >>    * Manage and grow the Ally User Group and 
> >> evolve it into a vibrant community 
> >>    * Help create documentation, best practices and adoption toolkits 
> >>    * Work directly with institutions to help with Ally adoptions 
> >>    * Participate in our design process and 
> >> help organize usability tests, UX research and other design projects 
> >>    * Be a key member of the Ally team and help 
> >> shape the future of the Ally. 
> >>The full job description can be found at 
> >><https://careers.blackboard.com/technology/position/ally-community-manager-london-uk>https://careers.blackboard.com/technology/position/ally-community-manager-london-uk. 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>Definitely let me know if you have any 
> >>questions about the role, and don’t hesitate 
> >>to apply if this position is of interest. 
> >> 
> >>Thanks! 
> >>Nicolaas 
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From sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com  Wed Jan 17 18:03:43 2018
From: sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 13:03:43 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Is Braille Overrated?
In-Reply-To: <5a5f5274.70339d0a.c4e96.da7b@mx.google.com>
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I'm so bored of this debate! Braille is a tool like any other: necessary in
the beginning but one of many later on. Why do people still feel the need to
say it's useless?

Though truthfully I didn't see exactly how important it was until I met an
eight-year-old who used more audio than Braille and was functionally
illiterate... That reinforced to me why it's so critical.

Sarah




-----Original Message-----
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via NABS-L
Sent: January 17, 2018 8:41 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: roanna bacchus
Subject: [NABS-L] Is Braille Overrated?

Dear Students,

I hope all of you are doing well.  Yesterday my dad met a blind student who
came into his office to pay their tuition during the afternoon rush.  He
told my Dad that he tells people that braille is overrated.  I think it is
importat for all blind children to learn to read and write braille.  The use
of braille is essential for both personal academic and employment success.
What are your thoughts on this?

Sincerely,

Roanna Bacchus

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From mausam.mehta00 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 17 18:38:17 2018
From: mausam.mehta00 at gmail.com (Mausam Mehta)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 13:38:17 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Scholarships
Message-ID: <05E46FD5-229E-4723-846F-03F77E03DB0B@gmail.com>

Hi everyone,
I hope spring semester is going well.
As we all know, college has a hefty price tag. I was wondering if any of you had any suggestions for scholarships. I have seen a few threads here in regard to some state scholarships. I am aware of the national NFV scholarships, along with the one from ACB. Would anyone have any other suggestions?
Best,
Mausam


From braillemasterjustin at gmail.com  Wed Jan 17 19:40:09 2018
From: braillemasterjustin at gmail.com (Justin Heard)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 14:40:09 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Scholarships
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Here's the most comprehensive scholarship guide for blind students that 
I have found.

https://www.affordablecollegesonline.org/colleges-helping-visually-impaired-students/

Good luck!


On 1/17/2018 1:38 PM, Mausam Mehta via NABS-L wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> I hope spring semester is going well.
> As we all know, college has a hefty price tag. I was wondering if any of you had any suggestions for scholarships. I have seen a few threads here in regard to some state scholarships. I am aware of the national NFV scholarships, along with the one from ACB. Would anyone have any other suggestions?
> Best,
> Mausam
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From cory.j.mcmahon at gmail.com  Thu Jan 18 01:42:01 2018
From: cory.j.mcmahon at gmail.com (Cory McMahon)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 19:42:01 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] Is Braille Overrated?
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I definitely agree about the necessity of Braille; however, when I was
younger, I didn't care much for contracted braille as I feel it didn't
expose me to the proper spelling of words. I will admit that I don't use
braille as much as I use to, given the availability of electronic
documentation.

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jameyanne
Fuller via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 9:23 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Jameyanne Fuller <jameyanne at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Is Braille Overrated?

While you might use a computer or listen to audiobooks, it is essential to
have all the tools you can, just like sighted students. Learning Braille
gives students fundamental understanding of grammar and spelling, improves
their reading comprehension and critical thinking skills, and ultimately
prepares them to be more successful in school and work. It would be
ridiculous to propose that sighted students only learn to read and write
through audio means. It's ridiculous for that to be considered for blind
students. I have a blog post ranting about this somewhere. I'll try to find
it.
Jameyanne

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Alfonso via NABS-L
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Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Is Braille Overrated?

I agree. Although you migt use a computer for college and imployment, it's
still important for you too at least learn braille.

On 1/17/18, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Dear Students,
>
> I hope all of you are doing well.  Yesterday my dad met a blind 
> student who came into his office to pay their tuition during the 
> afternoon rush.  He told my Dad that he tells people that braille is 
> overrated.  I think it is importat for all blind children to learn to 
> read and write braille.  The use of braille is essential for both 
> personal academic and employment success.  What are your thoughts on 
> this?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Roanna Bacchus
>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 18 01:46:10 2018
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 20:46:10 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Proof of Purchase
In-Reply-To: <CACYWPBwvbx8N456axPRNSzzgsxzqaEU308pbGFFdGGqYmsDhWQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi,
Wow. Interesting to hear some students find books with no trouble.
I know we have come a long way in terms of accessibility to ebooks, but when 
I graduated years back in 2009, I did not experience getting books digitally 
on a silver platter.
Anya, I find it very surprising you found all books on bookshare. Maybe your 
professors used widely published and circulated books.

In fact, I don't use bookshare since none of my texts were on there except 
for maybe some english books but I preferred audio formats anyway; so I used 
my Recording for the Blind account which is now Learning Ally.


I always struggled accessing books. I would buy my books at the bookstore 
and use a real human reader, yes the old fashioned way of a reader.
Yes, my school, Marymount University, had a dss office in case you're 
wondering.
But, I found them to be slow in procuring the accessible electronic texts. 
So, I used readers so not to fall behind.
And, even when I got electronic books from dss who got them from the 
publisher, I found some pdfs rather unreadable since Jaws read them with 
words stuck together.

I've gone back to school taking electives off and on through the years; even 
now I find that Learning Ally and bookshare do not have the texts I needed; 
not even when I took a public relations and  journalism class to further my 
writing skills. I found older editions of the text through Learning Ally, 
but with some differences and updated info in some chapters, I did use a 
reader as well.

While my dss office did require the proof of purchase and so does my 
community college now, they never scanned my personal copy. Instead, they 
got the electronic file from the publisher for me or used an online library 
universities can use called Access Text.
I'm actually glad they never took my books and scanned them. If they did, 
they would have had to cut the binding for scanning and I then could not 
sell to the bookstore.

Its good that students have it easier now. However, I still think using 
readers is a skill worth having. Its helped me a lot for research because as 
we all know the library has a huge print collection we cannot otherwise 
access but with  a reader.
I often wanted to read more than I could for the papers though if the 
subject was of interest. However, given readers can only read a few hours at 
a time and I did not have endless hours to spend with them, we had to be 
quite selective in what they read; often we would read exerpts of a chapter 
and I found books with headings were so helpful and they then can read the 
headings to me coupled with skimming. Then we could decide what to read 
together. I was also fortunate to be able to afford to pay them; the state 
vr agency can pay readers, but its only minimum wage and I felt this amount 
was too low for a reader.

Ashley


-----Original Message----- 
From: Anya Fuller via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 2:11 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Anya Fuller
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Proof of Purchase

Hello,
in college I was lucky enough to find most of my books on Bookshare
and other similar sites. Sometimes my professors had extra copies of
their books and they just gave them to DSS for scanning at no charge.
I understand it is not a standard practice, and I was just lucky that
way, but it really helped.
Also, if your DSS office has already provided you with the accessible
books, and all they want you to do is to show them the proof of
purchase, you should do what a number of people have advised; buy
those books and return them as soon as the DSS sees your receits.
Have a great semester!

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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 18 14:05:17 2018
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 09:05:17 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Proof of Purchase
Message-ID: <5a60a9a1.52d4ca0a.1dc0c.2109@mx.google.com>

When I was in community college, some of my books were scanned by 
the Disability Support Services Office.  Some of them were 
purchased from the publishers and put on Cd's that I played using 
a Victor Reader Cd player.  When I went to UCF my books were on 
USB thumb drives.  Now I have kept the thumb drives with my books 
on them.  The folders with most of my books are now on my Sd 
card.


From bluezinfandel at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 18 15:05:41 2018
From: bluezinfandel at hotmail.com (Ben Fulton)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 15:05:41 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] Is braille overrated
Message-ID: <CY4PR22MB03426A4F6255E9BC9914ED97A8E80@CY4PR22MB0342.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>


As someone who lost their vision later in life, I found braille difficult to
learn. I barely know the alphabet, and I only use it in the home for
labelling. It would take me a very long time to read a document of any
length. I know I could get better with practice, but that itself takes time.
I am comfortable with my current skills, and I use a computer for
everything, but I had already learned the rules of grammer and spelling. I
admit that spending several years without seeing the words and just
listening to them has made my spelling drop a little, but then there is
always spell check and other useful computer functions. I think if anyone
wants to learn braille and use that then it is a wonderful tool and everyone
should have access to it. I have not been able to afford a braille output
for my computer and for some reason the Assistive device program that
supplied me with a computer, would not give me a braille output device,
because my braille skills were not sufficient to use it. I made the argument
that having the device would help me improve my braille skills, but instead
they supplied me with a printer that is bulky, and cumbersome. So, I have
never really used the printer, and consequently have not improved my braille
skills at all.
 
Also, in places where room numbers are put next to the door in braille, it
is important to know how to read it.





From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 18 16:27:33 2018
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 11:27:33 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Is braille overrated
Message-ID: <5a60cafa.c56cca0a.c3f35.36f0@mx.google.com>

I agree that it is difficult for someone who lost their vision 
later in life to learn braille.  I know a client at the 
Lighthouse of Central Florida who just started learning braille 
last October.


From syedrizvinfb at gmail.com  Thu Jan 18 18:07:03 2018
From: syedrizvinfb at gmail.com (Syed Rizvi)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 12:07:03 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] Win glory and candy for your student division
Message-ID: <CAAqtePQiNwXZ6X6E1fPop7RKPL+JTdPV-JzLeM5q4jpf9YzRVg@mail.gmail.com>

Students,

This is an opportunity to win back glory for your student division.

The personal testimony letter challenge was originally going to officially
close on January 19th by midnight, but Iowa is so far in the lead, I felt
it unkind to let them clobber everyone else. Now, your letters must be in
by midnight, on Sunday, January 21st.

Attached is a template, along with a couple sample letters. Feel free to
email me, or call or text at 4132503523 for tips and tricks.

See you all in DC.

Syed Rizvi

2nd Vice President

SyedRizviNFB at gmail.com

4132503523
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 19 01:51:23 2018
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 01:51:23 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] Win glory and candy for your student division
In-Reply-To: <CAAqtePQiNwXZ6X6E1fPop7RKPL+JTdPV-JzLeM5q4jpf9YzRVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAqtePQiNwXZ6X6E1fPop7RKPL+JTdPV-JzLeM5q4jpf9YzRVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BY1PR0401MB1238B93C0DDA54F76F46B59ABAEF0@BY1PR0401MB1238.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Hello Syed,

Did I somehow miss something here? I do not recall seeing any announcements regarding a competition among the various state student divisions to collect the most amount of personal testimony letters.

Thanks,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Syed Rizvi via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 1:07 PM
To: nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Syed Rizvi <syedrizvinfb at gmail.com>
Subject: [NABS-L] Win glory and candy for your student division

Students,

This is an opportunity to win back glory for your student division.

The personal testimony letter challenge was originally going to officially close on January 19th by midnight, but Iowa is so far in the lead, I felt it unkind to let them clobber everyone else. Now, your letters must be in by midnight, on Sunday, January 21st.

Attached is a template, along with a couple sample letters. Feel free to email me, or call or text at 4132503523 for tips and tricks.

See you all in DC.

Syed Rizvi

2nd Vice President

SyedRizviNFB at gmail.com

4132503523

From syedrizvinfb at gmail.com  Fri Jan 19 02:02:56 2018
From: syedrizvinfb at gmail.com (Syed Rizvi)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 20:02:56 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] Win glory and candy for your student division
In-Reply-To: <BY1PR0401MB1238B93C0DDA54F76F46B59ABAEF0@BY1PR0401MB1238.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAAqtePQiNwXZ6X6E1fPop7RKPL+JTdPV-JzLeM5q4jpf9YzRVg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BY1PR0401MB1238B93C0DDA54F76F46B59ABAEF0@BY1PR0401MB1238.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <B9575565-9AD5-4D45-911F-A3D6F4CF9FAD@gmail.com>

Hi Elizabeth, 
Thank you for your question.
Several emails have been sent out since national convention announcing the competition. Additionally, I personally reached out to every affiliate with the information. Finally, each NABS liaison reached out to their assigned states to deliver the information. It has often been included along side other announcements, which may have lead to you looking it over.
I apologize for any confusion. I will be more clear in the future.
This still allows three days to write a quick letter. The task is not time consuming, and I would be delighted to help you out. You know how to reach me.
Your Friend,
     Syed Rizvi 

Syed Rizvi 
2nd Vice President | National Association of Blind Students 
SyedRizviNFB at GMail.com 
4132503523 
“Tough times don't last, tough people do.”-Robert Schuller

> On Jan 18, 2018, at 7:51 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Syed,
> 
> Did I somehow miss something here? I do not recall seeing any announcements regarding a competition among the various state student divisions to collect the most amount of personal testimony letters.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Syed Rizvi via NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 1:07 PM
> To: nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Syed Rizvi <syedrizvinfb at gmail.com>
> Subject: [NABS-L] Win glory and candy for your student division
> 
> Students,
> 
> This is an opportunity to win back glory for your student division.
> 
> The personal testimony letter challenge was originally going to officially close on January 19th by midnight, but Iowa is so far in the lead, I felt it unkind to let them clobber everyone else. Now, your letters must be in by midnight, on Sunday, January 21st.
> 
> Attached is a template, along with a couple sample letters. Feel free to email me, or call or text at 4132503523 for tips and tricks.
> 
> See you all in DC.
> 
> Syed Rizvi
> 
> 2nd Vice President
> 
> SyedRizviNFB at gmail.com
> 
> 4132503523
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/syedrizvinfb%40gmail.com


From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 19 02:20:16 2018
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 02:20:16 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] Win glory and candy for your student division
In-Reply-To: <B9575565-9AD5-4D45-911F-A3D6F4CF9FAD@gmail.com>
References: <CAAqtePQiNwXZ6X6E1fPop7RKPL+JTdPV-JzLeM5q4jpf9YzRVg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BY1PR0401MB1238B93C0DDA54F76F46B59ABAEF0@BY1PR0401MB1238.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<B9575565-9AD5-4D45-911F-A3D6F4CF9FAD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BY1PR0401MB1238544CB88CF8BC0F3804B7BAEF0@BY1PR0401MB1238.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Hello Syed,

Yes, I have seen announcements regarding the collection of personal testimony letters. However, I do not recall seeing anything about this being a competition among the various state student divisions. And I do not recall seeing any deadline for these personal testimony letters either.

I am rather active within my state affiliate, and subscribe to both my state affiliate email list and state student division email list. I do not recall seeing any announcements regarding this competition on either one of these email lists.

However, I appreciate the clarification in regards to this competition. It is too bad I did not know about it until today.

Thanks,
Elizabeth
 

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Syed Rizvi via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:03 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Syed Rizvi <syedrizvinfb at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Win glory and candy for your student division

Hi Elizabeth,
Thank you for your question.
Several emails have been sent out since national convention announcing the competition. Additionally, I personally reached out to every affiliate with the information. Finally, each NABS liaison reached out to their assigned states to deliver the information. It has often been included along side other announcements, which may have lead to you looking it over.
I apologize for any confusion. I will be more clear in the future.
This still allows three days to write a quick letter. The task is not time consuming, and I would be delighted to help you out. You know how to reach me.
Your Friend,
     Syed Rizvi 

Syed Rizvi
2nd Vice President | National Association of Blind Students SyedRizviNFB at GMail.com
4132503523
“Tough times don't last, tough people do.”-Robert Schuller

> On Jan 18, 2018, at 7:51 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Syed,
> 
> Did I somehow miss something here? I do not recall seeing any announcements regarding a competition among the various state student divisions to collect the most amount of personal testimony letters.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Syed 
> Rizvi via NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 1:07 PM
> To: nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Syed Rizvi <syedrizvinfb at gmail.com>
> Subject: [NABS-L] Win glory and candy for your student division
> 
> Students,
> 
> This is an opportunity to win back glory for your student division.
> 
> The personal testimony letter challenge was originally going to officially close on January 19th by midnight, but Iowa is so far in the lead, I felt it unkind to let them clobber everyone else. Now, your letters must be in by midnight, on Sunday, January 21st.
> 
> Attached is a template, along with a couple sample letters. Feel free to email me, or call or text at 4132503523 for tips and tricks.
> 
> See you all in DC.
> 
> Syed Rizvi
> 
> 2nd Vice President
> 
> SyedRizviNFB at gmail.com
> 
> 4132503523
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/syedrizvinfb%40gma
> il.com

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From syedrizvinfb at gmail.com  Fri Jan 19 02:33:02 2018
From: syedrizvinfb at gmail.com (Syed Rizvi)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 20:33:02 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] Win glory and candy for your student division
In-Reply-To: <BY1PR0401MB1238544CB88CF8BC0F3804B7BAEF0@BY1PR0401MB1238.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAAqtePQiNwXZ6X6E1fPop7RKPL+JTdPV-JzLeM5q4jpf9YzRVg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BY1PR0401MB1238B93C0DDA54F76F46B59ABAEF0@BY1PR0401MB1238.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<B9575565-9AD5-4D45-911F-A3D6F4CF9FAD@gmail.com>
	<BY1PR0401MB1238544CB88CF8BC0F3804B7BAEF0@BY1PR0401MB1238.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <84288181-230E-4A64-9039-6BD89587FE74@gmail.com>

Elizabeth, to avoid cluttering the list, I'll follow up in a private email.
If anyone has further questions, please let me know.


Syed Rizvi 
2nd Vice President | National Association of Blind Students 
SyedRizviNFB at GMail.com 
4132503523 
“Tough times don't last, tough people do.”-Robert Schuller

> On Jan 18, 2018, at 8:20 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Syed,
> 
> Yes, I have seen announcements regarding the collection of personal testimony letters. However, I do not recall seeing anything about this being a competition among the various state student divisions. And I do not recall seeing any deadline for these personal testimony letters either.
> 
> I am rather active within my state affiliate, and subscribe to both my state affiliate email list and state student division email list. I do not recall seeing any announcements regarding this competition on either one of these email lists.
> 
> However, I appreciate the clarification in regards to this competition. It is too bad I did not know about it until today.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Syed Rizvi via NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:03 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Syed Rizvi <syedrizvinfb at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Win glory and candy for your student division
> 
> Hi Elizabeth,
> Thank you for your question.
> Several emails have been sent out since national convention announcing the competition. Additionally, I personally reached out to every affiliate with the information. Finally, each NABS liaison reached out to their assigned states to deliver the information. It has often been included along side other announcements, which may have lead to you looking it over.
> I apologize for any confusion. I will be more clear in the future.
> This still allows three days to write a quick letter. The task is not time consuming, and I would be delighted to help you out. You know how to reach me.
> Your Friend,
>     Syed Rizvi 
> 
> Syed Rizvi
> 2nd Vice President | National Association of Blind Students SyedRizviNFB at GMail.com
> 4132503523
> “Tough times don't last, tough people do.”-Robert Schuller
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2018, at 7:51 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Syed,
>> 
>> Did I somehow miss something here? I do not recall seeing any announcements regarding a competition among the various state student divisions to collect the most amount of personal testimony letters.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Elizabeth
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Syed 
>> Rizvi via NABS-L
>> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 1:07 PM
>> To: nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Syed Rizvi <syedrizvinfb at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [NABS-L] Win glory and candy for your student division
>> 
>> Students,
>> 
>> This is an opportunity to win back glory for your student division.
>> 
>> The personal testimony letter challenge was originally going to officially close on January 19th by midnight, but Iowa is so far in the lead, I felt it unkind to let them clobber everyone else. Now, your letters must be in by midnight, on Sunday, January 21st.
>> 
>> Attached is a template, along with a couple sample letters. Feel free to email me, or call or text at 4132503523 for tips and tricks.
>> 
>> See you all in DC.
>> 
>> Syed Rizvi
>> 
>> 2nd Vice President
>> 
>> SyedRizviNFB at gmail.com
>> 
>> 4132503523
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/syedrizvinfb%40gma
>> il.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com  Fri Jan 19 14:14:48 2018
From: sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 09:14:48 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Is Braille overrated
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR22MB03426A4F6255E9BC9914ED97A8E80@CY4PR22MB0342.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CY4PR22MB03426A4F6255E9BC9914ED97A8E80@CY4PR22MB0342.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <5a61fd58.50876b0a.d98ca.20d8@mx.google.com>

I completely understand Braille would be harder to learn later in life. I
think it's essential for kids as part of literacy, but those who have lost
their vision who already know how to read are probably not as much in need
of Braille.

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ben Fulton via
NABS-L
Sent: January 18, 2018 10:06 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Ben Fulton
Subject: [NABS-L] Is braille overrated


As someone who lost their vision later in life, I found braille difficult to
learn. I barely know the alphabet, and I only use it in the home for
labelling. It would take me a very long time to read a document of any
length. I know I could get better with practice, but that itself takes time.
I am comfortable with my current skills, and I use a computer for
everything, but I had already learned the rules of grammer and spelling. I
admit that spending several years without seeing the words and just
listening to them has made my spelling drop a little, but then there is
always spell check and other useful computer functions. I think if anyone
wants to learn braille and use that then it is a wonderful tool and everyone
should have access to it. I have not been able to afford a braille output
for my computer and for some reason the Assistive device program that
supplied me with a computer, would not give me a braille output device,
because my braille skills were not sufficient to use it. I made the argument
that having the device would help me improve my braille skills, but instead
they supplied me with a printer that is bulky, and cumbersome. So, I have
never really used the printer, and consequently have not improved my braille
skills at all.
 
Also, in places where room numbers are put next to the door in braille, it
is important to know how to read it.




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From ljmaher03 at outlook.com  Fri Jan 19 19:04:34 2018
From: ljmaher03 at outlook.com (Louis Maher)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 19:04:34 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] July 10 2017 NFB Convention STEM Tutorial Recordings Now
 Available
Message-ID: <CY4PR11MB202303E3EC6F471FD5F2C0B4AAEF0@CY4PR11MB2023.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Folks,

Last summer, John Gardner sponsored a STEM seminar at the summer NFB convention.
MP3 recordings of the tutorial are now available at:
" http://access2science.com/indexAccessibility.html ".

If this topic is of interest to  you, the following announcement will be of interest to you.
--- 
The Science and Engineering Division of the National Federation of the Blind and the National Association of Blind Students present a joint phone conference on how blind professionals, and blind college and graduate students are succeeding in courses to do with science, technology, engineering, and mathematics.  The call-in number is the NABS conference line 712-770-5197, Participant Access Code: 265669.  The call will occur at 9PM EST through 10PM EST on Monday, February 12, 2018.
Topics will be of interest for blind students in middle school, high school, college and graduate school, and professionals. Parents of blind school-aged children and educators are also welcome.  Topics will include how to succeeding as a blind person in biology, chemistry, physics, mathematics, and engineering.  Some portion of the presentation will address how to succeed in a laboratory setting.
--- 

Thanks.
ina






Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com



From iperrault at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 20 00:43:07 2018
From: iperrault at hotmail.com (Ian Perrault)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2018 00:43:07 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] Requesting a Uber or a Lyft Ride in Facebook Messenger
Message-ID: <DM5PR13MB092358557B7AF7F21568F94EBFEE0@DM5PR13MB0923.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>

Hi,
I heard that you can request a Uber or Lyft ride in facebook messenger. Is this only for the app, or on the web site as well? On the app, in a conversation, I tapped on more options, and Uber and Lyft wasn't listed. How do you do this?
Ian

From ropermeaghan at gmail.com  Sat Jan 20 00:45:39 2018
From: ropermeaghan at gmail.com (Roper, Meaghan)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 19:45:39 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Requesting a Uber or a Lyft Ride in Facebook Messenger
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR13MB092358557B7AF7F21568F94EBFEE0@DM5PR13MB0923.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM5PR13MB092358557B7AF7F21568F94EBFEE0@DM5PR13MB0923.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <01B8AD3D-90E2-427E-80D2-20726E4AF552@gmail.com>

Hi Ian,

I believe this is something you can only do in the mobile app.

Meaghan Roper
Wheelock college | Class of 2018

> On Jan 19, 2018, at 7:43 PM, Ian Perrault via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I heard that you can request a Uber or Lyft ride in facebook messenger. Is this only for the app, or on the web site as well? On the app, in a conversation, I tapped on more options, and Uber and Lyft wasn't listed. How do you do this?
> Ian
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From iperrault at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 20 00:47:54 2018
From: iperrault at hotmail.com (Ian Perrault)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2018 00:47:54 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] Requesting a Uber or a Lyft Ride in Facebook Messenger
In-Reply-To: <01B8AD3D-90E2-427E-80D2-20726E4AF552@gmail.com>
References: <DM5PR13MB092358557B7AF7F21568F94EBFEE0@DM5PR13MB0923.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>,
	<01B8AD3D-90E2-427E-80D2-20726E4AF552@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM5PR13MB0923905F6BE8C52D0D3C884BBFEE0@DM5PR13MB0923.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>

OK, how exactly do you do it in the mobile app?

Sent from my iPhone sorry for typos!

> On Jan 19, 2018, at 7:46 PM, Roper, Meaghan via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ian,
> 
> I believe this is something you can only do in the mobile app.
> 
> Meaghan Roper
> Wheelock college | Class of 2018
> 
>> On Jan 19, 2018, at 7:43 PM, Ian Perrault via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I heard that you can request a Uber or Lyft ride in facebook messenger. Is this only for the app, or on the web site as well? On the app, in a conversation, I tapped on more options, and Uber and Lyft wasn't listed. How do you do this?
>> Ian
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From ropermeaghan at gmail.com  Sat Jan 20 01:04:33 2018
From: ropermeaghan at gmail.com (Roper, Meaghan)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 20:04:33 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Requesting a Uber or a Lyft Ride in Facebook Messenger
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR13MB0923905F6BE8C52D0D3C884BBFEE0@DM5PR13MB0923.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM5PR13MB092358557B7AF7F21568F94EBFEE0@DM5PR13MB0923.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
	<01B8AD3D-90E2-427E-80D2-20726E4AF552@gmail.com>
	<DM5PR13MB0923905F6BE8C52D0D3C884BBFEE0@DM5PR13MB0923.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <EB88A46D-9FE4-42FC-BFA2-BDEA3B4A3352@gmail.com>

Hi Ian,

It looks like you can access the Uber and Lyft Applications through the Discover tab in your messenger app. It appears that it’s simply opens the apps on your device for you.

Meaghan Roper
Wheelock college | Class of 2018

> On Jan 19, 2018, at 7:47 PM, Ian Perrault via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> OK, how exactly do you do it in the mobile app?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone sorry for typos!
> 
>> On Jan 19, 2018, at 7:46 PM, Roper, Meaghan via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ian,
>> 
>> I believe this is something you can only do in the mobile app.
>> 
>> Meaghan Roper
>> Wheelock college | Class of 2018
>> 
>>> On Jan 19, 2018, at 7:43 PM, Ian Perrault via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I heard that you can request a Uber or Lyft ride in facebook messenger. Is this only for the app, or on the web site as well? On the app, in a conversation, I tapped on more options, and Uber and Lyft wasn't listed. How do you do this?
>>> Ian
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From iperrault at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 20 03:19:04 2018
From: iperrault at hotmail.com (Ian Perrault)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2018 03:19:04 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] Requesting a Uber or a Lyft Ride in Facebook Messenger
In-Reply-To: <EB88A46D-9FE4-42FC-BFA2-BDEA3B4A3352@gmail.com>
References: <DM5PR13MB092358557B7AF7F21568F94EBFEE0@DM5PR13MB0923.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
	<01B8AD3D-90E2-427E-80D2-20726E4AF552@gmail.com>
	<DM5PR13MB0923905F6BE8C52D0D3C884BBFEE0@DM5PR13MB0923.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>,
	<EB88A46D-9FE4-42FC-BFA2-BDEA3B4A3352@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM5PR13MB0923767A7B8CC61A1FD8CA37BFEE0@DM5PR13MB0923.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>

I tried that, but I read that you can access them right in a conversation somehow in the more options or something? Or maybe this feature isn’t accessible?

Sent from my iPhone sorry for typos!

> On Jan 19, 2018, at 8:05 PM, Roper, Meaghan via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ian,
> 
> It looks like you can access the Uber and Lyft Applications through the Discover tab in your messenger app. It appears that it’s simply opens the apps on your device for you.
> 
> Meaghan Roper
> Wheelock college | Class of 2018
> 
>> On Jan 19, 2018, at 7:47 PM, Ian Perrault via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> OK, how exactly do you do it in the mobile app?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone sorry for typos!
>> 
>>> On Jan 19, 2018, at 7:46 PM, Roper, Meaghan via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Ian,
>>> 
>>> I believe this is something you can only do in the mobile app.
>>> 
>>> Meaghan Roper
>>> Wheelock college | Class of 2018
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 19, 2018, at 7:43 PM, Ian Perrault via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I heard that you can request a Uber or Lyft ride in facebook messenger. Is this only for the app, or on the web site as well? On the app, in a conversation, I tapped on more options, and Uber and Lyft wasn't listed. How do you do this?
>>>> Ian
>>>> _______________________________________________
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From ayoub.zurikat.nfb at gmail.com  Sat Jan 20 05:09:41 2018
From: ayoub.zurikat.nfb at gmail.com (Ayoub Zurikat)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 23:09:41 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] Peer feedback is greatly appreciated
Message-ID: <317F692C-0385-4E61-9D1F-E91195438FDD@gmail.com>

Hi my fellow NABSians .
I use the screen reader on my iPad to read my text books. I use the screen reader that’s already installed in accessibility features on the iPad. This term, there is a staggering amount of reading to be done not to mention the assignments. I wonder if anyone has experience, or knows how to, skim read using a screen reader? 
Please, any suggestions or feedback is very much appreciated and will be helpful.
Thank you


From zdreicer at gmail.com  Sat Jan 20 05:45:56 2018
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 22:45:56 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] Peer feedback is greatly appreciated
In-Reply-To: <317F692C-0385-4E61-9D1F-E91195438FDD@gmail.com>
References: <317F692C-0385-4E61-9D1F-E91195438FDD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C578E32C-8FE0-4EBE-8290-1CB729E7DABE@gmail.com>

I know that reading by paragraph on the mac and on a pc is done with control+down arrow or up arrow. Then you could read the initial sentence or 2. 
Sent from my Macbook Pro 13

> On Jan 19, 2018, at 22:09, Ayoub Zurikat via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi my fellow NABSians .
> I use the screen reader on my iPad to read my text books. I use the screen reader that’s already installed in accessibility features on the iPad. This term, there is a staggering amount of reading to be done not to mention the assignments. I wonder if anyone has experience, or knows how to, skim read using a screen reader? 
> Please, any suggestions or feedback is very much appreciated and will be helpful.
> Thank you
> 
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From mausam.mehta00 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 20 06:13:53 2018
From: mausam.mehta00 at gmail.com (Mausam Mehta)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2018 01:13:53 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Peer feedback is greatly appreciated
In-Reply-To: <C578E32C-8FE0-4EBE-8290-1CB729E7DABE@gmail.com>
References: <317F692C-0385-4E61-9D1F-E91195438FDD@gmail.com>
	<C578E32C-8FE0-4EBE-8290-1CB729E7DABE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9AF851FC-D255-43AE-BF21-2B28AB540EF6@gmail.com>

You may be able to navigate through the text by heading, if you’re trying to just hit the main points. You can do that through your rotor. You could possibly use item chooser to search for particular elements, but I’m honestly not sure whether that applies to text search. 

> On Jan 20, 2018, at 12:45 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I know that reading by paragraph on the mac and on a pc is done with control+down arrow or up arrow. Then you could read the initial sentence or 2. 
> Sent from my Macbook Pro 13
> 
>> On Jan 19, 2018, at 22:09, Ayoub Zurikat via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi my fellow NABSians .
>> I use the screen reader on my iPad to read my text books. I use the screen reader that’s already installed in accessibility features on the iPad. This term, there is a staggering amount of reading to be done not to mention the assignments. I wonder if anyone has experience, or knows how to, skim read using a screen reader? 
>> Please, any suggestions or feedback is very much appreciated and will be helpful.
>> Thank you
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
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From bluezinfandel at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 20 15:32:15 2018
From: bluezinfandel at hotmail.com (Ben Fulton)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2018 15:32:15 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] Peer feedback is greatly appreciated
Message-ID: <CY4PR22MB0342D1063841C85FDB47FCB5A8EE0@CY4PR22MB0342.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

One way to read quickly is to increase the speed of your screen reader. - I
remember when I first started using a screed reader I could only listen to
things at around 65 words per minute, but now I listen to most things at 130
words per minute, although I sometimes slow this down if the passage is
complicated. I am also in Law School, which truly has a staggering amount of
reading. Like 80pages a week for a single class. Some semesters I have had
to read over 300 pages a week.

Best of luck in your studies.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2018 01:13:53 -0500
From: Mausam Mehta <mausam.mehta00 at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Peer feedback is greatly appreciated
Message-ID: <9AF851FC-D255-43AE-BF21-2B28AB540EF6 at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8

You may be able to navigate through the text by heading, if you?re trying to
just hit the main points. You can do that through your rotor. You could
possibly use item chooser to search for particular elements, but I?m
honestly not sure whether that applies to text search. 

> On Jan 20, 2018, at 12:45 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I know that reading by paragraph on the mac and on a pc is done with
control+down arrow or up arrow. Then you could read the initial sentence or
2. 
> Sent from my Macbook Pro 13
> 
>> On Jan 19, 2018, at 22:09, Ayoub Zurikat via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>> 
>> Hi my fellow NABSians .
>> I use the screen reader on my iPad to read my text books. I use the
screen reader that?s already installed in accessibility features on the
iPad. This term, there is a staggering amount of reading to be done not to
mention the assignments. I wonder if anyone has experience, or knows how to,
skim read using a screen reader? 
>> Please, any suggestions or feedback is very much appreciated and will be
helpful.
>> Thank you
>> 




From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 20 15:38:14 2018
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2018 21:08:14 +0530
Subject: [NABS-L] Playing golf as a blind person
Message-ID: <CADFycPYho51f266wx8taovaFSadeiP_6ndKPCpguvpS5MV8sCg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everyone,

I've recently been exploring the possibility of engaging in some form
of exercise/sporting activity. I think one accessible sport that would
be worth exploring is golf.

This being the case, if anyone here has played golf, I'd be very
grateful if you could share some pointers on how you were able to do
this in an accessible way. Thank you for your help.

Best,
Rahul


From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Sat Jan 20 16:20:33 2018
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2018 11:20:33 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Playing golf as a blind person
In-Reply-To: <CADFycPYho51f266wx8taovaFSadeiP_6ndKPCpguvpS5MV8sCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADFycPYho51f266wx8taovaFSadeiP_6ndKPCpguvpS5MV8sCg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F247F7FB-54F8-4D11-83FB-74CBA39F13E5@gmail.com>

I am interested in this as well. I think there is a sports and recreation division mailing list where someone might have some answers.

Amanda

> On Jan 20, 2018, at 10:38 AM, Rahul Bajaj via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I've recently been exploring the possibility of engaging in some form
> of exercise/sporting activity. I think one accessible sport that would
> be worth exploring is golf.
> 
> This being the case, if anyone here has played golf, I'd be very
> grateful if you could share some pointers on how you were able to do
> this in an accessible way. Thank you for your help.
> 
> Best,
> Rahul
> 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 20 18:45:47 2018
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2018 13:45:47 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Peer feedback is greatly appreciated
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR22MB0342D1063841C85FDB47FCB5A8EE0@CY4PR22MB0342.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CY4PR22MB0342D1063841C85FDB47FCB5A8EE0@CY4PR22MB0342.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <044201d3921e$e323e150$a96ba3f0$@gmail.com>

I usually kept everything at 65 words a minute, but if I needed to slow it
down I did.  50 to 60 pages a chapter.  I did almost all the reading. At
about 65 words a minute, you can read it in a little under an hour.  If you
slow it down you'll get everything out of it, but it may take you an hour.
I'm a perfectionist, and I liked being able to talk intelligently in class
about the lesson, so I read a little slower as to get everything, but
generally, I could read a chapter, and get everything in about an hour.  

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ben Fulton via
NABS-L
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 10:32 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Ben Fulton <bluezinfandel at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Peer feedback is greatly appreciated

One way to read quickly is to increase the speed of your screen reader. - I
remember when I first started using a screed reader I could only listen to
things at around 65 words per minute, but now I listen to most things at 130
words per minute, although I sometimes slow this down if the passage is
complicated. I am also in Law School, which truly has a staggering amount of
reading. Like 80pages a week for a single class. Some semesters I have had
to read over 300 pages a week.

Best of luck in your studies.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2018 01:13:53 -0500
From: Mausam Mehta <mausam.mehta00 at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Peer feedback is greatly appreciated
Message-ID: <9AF851FC-D255-43AE-BF21-2B28AB540EF6 at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8

You may be able to navigate through the text by heading, if you?re trying to
just hit the main points. You can do that through your rotor. You could
possibly use item chooser to search for particular elements, but I?m
honestly not sure whether that applies to text search. 

> On Jan 20, 2018, at 12:45 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I know that reading by paragraph on the mac and on a pc is done with
control+down arrow or up arrow. Then you could read the initial sentence 
control+or
2. 
> Sent from my Macbook Pro 13
> 
>> On Jan 19, 2018, at 22:09, Ayoub Zurikat via NABS-L 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>> 
>> Hi my fellow NABSians .
>> I use the screen reader on my iPad to read my text books. I use the
screen reader that?s already installed in accessibility features on the
iPad. This term, there is a staggering amount of reading to be done not to
mention the assignments. I wonder if anyone has experience, or knows how to,
skim read using a screen reader? 
>> Please, any suggestions or feedback is very much appreciated and will 
>> be
helpful.
>> Thank you
>> 



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From kenia.flores101 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 20 21:02:15 2018
From: kenia.flores101 at gmail.com (Kenia Flores)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2018 16:02:15 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Reminder: NABS Membership Call
Message-ID: <D2452277-2E37-4430-965D-EC964861BE65@gmail.com>

Good afternoon, fellow students,

I hope you are all doing well and are looking
forward to Washington Seminar. The Legislative Advocacy and Outreach
Committees are working together to prepare students for meetings on
the Hill. We will be hosting two membership calls. The first call will
take place tomorrow, Sunday, January 21 at 8pm eastern, and the second call
will take place on Tuesday, January 23 at 8pm eastern.
The call-in number is 712-770-5197, and the access code is 265669. We
look forward to speaking with you on our membership calls taking place tomorrow and on January 23rd.


Best,
Kenia Flores


Kenia Flores
Furman University '20
Department of Politics and International Affairs
President | North Carolina Association of Blind Students
Co-chair | National Association of Blind Students Legislative Advocacy Committee
704.476.6629
kenia.flores at furman.edu

From amieelsabo at gmail.com  Sun Jan 21 05:16:05 2018
From: amieelsabo at gmail.com (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2018 22:16:05 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] itunes store
Message-ID: <CAOF1yXG6wdOUf_K-puk3ffpCaRk9Obx3Y=wXbOPwO_cLYEU9FQ@mail.gmail.com>

hello all,

I hope that you all are having a good evening. i'm trying to purchase
a album through the iTunes store via the internet or through the
iTunes ap that I have on my computer. I got a few gift cards for
Christmas and, I want to use them. I was wondering on how you go
aboiut in finding and purchasing albums or songs in the iTunes store
on your computer by using jfw? I have tried doing this myself and, i'm
having problems.. are there some shortcuts by using iTunes with jfw?
thanks again and, I will talk to you all soon!



hugs,
amy


From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Sun Jan 21 05:54:30 2018
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 00:54:30 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Linguistics courses
Message-ID: <5FB2C65D-5F2B-42D7-84E6-FDB283E49480@gmail.com>

Hi,
Has anyone who is a Jaws and Braille user taken linguistics courses? I am interested in doing so and wanted to hear others experiences.

Amanda

From leena.salim at gmail.com  Sun Jan 21 06:03:52 2018
From: leena.salim at gmail.com (Leena Bandy)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 00:03:52 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] Linguistics courses
In-Reply-To: <5FB2C65D-5F2B-42D7-84E6-FDB283E49480@gmail.com>
References: <5FB2C65D-5F2B-42D7-84E6-FDB283E49480@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB0cJx0W2WMkkuHdBy+DDF-dD2vZJG0x0fDyc8QB80OSapetVQ@mail.gmail.com>

I took linguistics. I almost switched to majoring in it. The only
reason I didn't was because IPA was not set yet. It is now, so
linguistics should be accessible.

On 1/20/18, Amanda via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> Has anyone who is a Jaws and Braille user taken linguistics courses? I am
> interested in doing so and wanted to hear others experiences.
>
> Amanda
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From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Sun Jan 21 06:14:43 2018
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 01:14:43 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Linguistics courses
In-Reply-To: <CAB0cJx0W2WMkkuHdBy+DDF-dD2vZJG0x0fDyc8QB80OSapetVQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5FB2C65D-5F2B-42D7-84E6-FDB283E49480@gmail.com>
	<CAB0cJx0W2WMkkuHdBy+DDF-dD2vZJG0x0fDyc8QB80OSapetVQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EBB9896E-A6FA-4AF2-AC4E-A46E135B6580@gmail.com>

Hi Lena,
What is IPA?

Amanda

> On Jan 21, 2018, at 1:03 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I took linguistics. I almost switched to majoring in it. The only
> reason I didn't was because IPA was not set yet. It is now, so
> linguistics should be accessible.
> 
>> On 1/20/18, Amanda via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Has anyone who is a Jaws and Braille user taken linguistics courses? I am
>> interested in doing so and wanted to hear others experiences.
>> 
>> Amanda
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> 
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From leena.salim at gmail.com  Sun Jan 21 06:16:19 2018
From: leena.salim at gmail.com (Leena Bandy)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 00:16:19 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] Linguistics courses
In-Reply-To: <EBB9896E-A6FA-4AF2-AC4E-A46E135B6580@gmail.com>
References: <5FB2C65D-5F2B-42D7-84E6-FDB283E49480@gmail.com>
	<CAB0cJx0W2WMkkuHdBy+DDF-dD2vZJG0x0fDyc8QB80OSapetVQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<EBB9896E-A6FA-4AF2-AC4E-A46E135B6580@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB0cJx3Uuz+02MD3C9h+DW4eV-HHsZ=_MXk1jBdECfy4A+v34g@mail.gmail.com>

International Phonetic Alphabet. It's how one writes how words or
letters sound in any given language.

On 1/21/18, cape.amanda at gmail.com <cape.amanda at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Lena,
> What is IPA?
>
> Amanda
>
>> On Jan 21, 2018, at 1:03 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I took linguistics. I almost switched to majoring in it. The only
>> reason I didn't was because IPA was not set yet. It is now, so
>> linguistics should be accessible.
>>
>>> On 1/20/18, Amanda via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> Has anyone who is a Jaws and Braille user taken linguistics courses? I
>>> am
>>> interested in doing so and wanted to hear others experiences.
>>>
>>> Amanda
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>
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From aachase1 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 21 14:26:23 2018
From: aachase1 at gmail.com (Alan A. Chase)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 09:26:23 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] EYE Retreat 2018
Message-ID: <CAABjKXkZmHtx06svAEYoeBaExDtx9BgxSfEh=LZsKJ_+8mNGTg@mail.gmail.com>

We are pleased to announce that participant applications are now OPEN for
the 2018 EYE Retreat! The 2018 EYE Retreat will be July 14 to 21 in
Raleigh, NC. In 2019 (Tennessee) and 2020 (To Be Determined), we have plans
to expand to two other states to reach even more youth with visual
impairments! The EYE Retreat provides core services of self-advocacy,
college transition, and workplace readiness skills. These areas comply with
requirements under WIOA and as a result your cost of attending could be
covered by a vocational rehabilitation agency. Ask! Slots are limited and
applications are due May 31, 2018. Apply here
https://goo.gl/forms/d4DZEL6KjVz9Uwqq2. Visit our website at
www.eyeretreat.org or www.facebook.com/eyeretreat.


*Dr. Alan A. Chase*
Assistant Principal, Tennessee School for the Blind
President & Director, Envisioning Youth Empowerment Retreat

From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 21 22:19:10 2018
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 17:19:10 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] itunes store
In-Reply-To: <CAOF1yXG6wdOUf_K-puk3ffpCaRk9Obx3Y=wXbOPwO_cLYEU9FQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOF1yXG6wdOUf_K-puk3ffpCaRk9Obx3Y=wXbOPwO_cLYEU9FQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <610C7865-75E8-4959-8959-334C4E0408C3@gmail.com>

Type the names of the songs or albums that you want in the search box when you select a category for music.

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 21, 2018, at 12:16 AM, Amy Sabo via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> hello all,
> 
> I hope that you all are having a good evening. i'm trying to purchase
> a album through the iTunes store via the internet or through the
> iTunes ap that I have on my computer. I got a few gift cards for
> Christmas and, I want to use them. I was wondering on how you go
> aboiut in finding and purchasing albums or songs in the iTunes store
> on your computer by using jfw? I have tried doing this myself and, i'm
> having problems.. are there some shortcuts by using iTunes with jfw?
> thanks again and, I will talk to you all soon!
> 
> 
> 
> hugs,
> amy
> 
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From iperrault at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 22 02:16:49 2018
From: iperrault at hotmail.com (Ian Perrault)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 02:16:49 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] Facebook Live Audio
Message-ID: <DM5PR13MB09238D493F780303AB538BD9BFEC0@DM5PR13MB0923.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>

Hi,
I've been trying to do an audio live broadcast on facebook on my IPhone 8. Two of my friends can do it, but I can't so it's weird. I went to Live, tapped on live video, tapped on options, and there is no audio button anywhere. I've looked all around on the live screen and there are only buttons related to video. Please help!
Ian

From sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com  Mon Jan 22 03:01:32 2018
From: sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 22:01:32 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] itunes store
In-Reply-To: <610C7865-75E8-4959-8959-334C4E0408C3@gmail.com>
References: <CAOF1yXG6wdOUf_K-puk3ffpCaRk9Obx3Y=wXbOPwO_cLYEU9FQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<610C7865-75E8-4959-8959-334C4E0408C3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5a65540c.066e240a.c5ff4.35cb@mx.google.com>

Hi Amy,
Unfortunately there aren't really any handy shortcuts for JFW and iTunes
Store. If you can, I think the store using your phone might be a better
idea.

However, as a general thought, it's best to navigate it as you would any
other webpage. If you give it a try and tell us exactly what step you get
confused with, hopefully we can provide better advice.

Sarah



-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna Bacchus
via NABS-L
Sent: January 21, 2018 5:19 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: rbacchus228 at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] itunes store

Type the names of the songs or albums that you want in the search box when
you select a category for music.

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 21, 2018, at 12:16 AM, Amy Sabo via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> hello all,
> 
> I hope that you all are having a good evening. i'm trying to purchase 
> a album through the iTunes store via the internet or through the 
> iTunes ap that I have on my computer. I got a few gift cards for 
> Christmas and, I want to use them. I was wondering on how you go 
> aboiut in finding and purchasing albums or songs in the iTunes store 
> on your computer by using jfw? I have tried doing this myself and, i'm 
> having problems.. are there some shortcuts by using iTunes with jfw?
> thanks again and, I will talk to you all soon!
> 
> 
> 
> hugs,
> amy
> 
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From kassandrac at utexas.edu  Mon Jan 22 03:39:02 2018
From: kassandrac at utexas.edu (Kassandra Cardenas)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 21:39:02 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] Seeking clarification regarding Washington Seminar calls
 this week
Message-ID: <CAOCapPdSgj9taaBsfHRx7fB39M8QSPrH6BP=5sckxL3ARR8NEA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I am emailing because I was seeking clarification regarding the Washington
Seminar calls that were being hosted by NABS, and I wanted to email the
list directly because I imagine I'm not the only one.

The email that I first received discussing the call said that it was at
9:00 EST, as well as the subsequent emails after that. Yet the emails I
received yesterday and today said a different time, but there was no
acknowledgement of the call time ever having changed. Even in the two most
recent emails, one said 9:00 EST for Tuesday's call, and another one said
8:00 EST.

I even tried following up on when the call was today by reaching out to
someone who I knew would have an answer for me, but I never did receive an
answer. I wasn't able to call in at 8:00 EST either, because I only made
myself available for the time that I was first told the call was going to
be held.

At this point, I am incredibly confused as to when the next call is even
taking place, and I'm also uncertain as to if I'll even be able to attend
it, since I planned on attending todays. If I could please receive some
clarification regarding this whole situation, I'd very much appreciate it.

Regards,
-K Cardenas

From syedrizvinfb at gmail.com  Mon Jan 22 03:54:27 2018
From: syedrizvinfb at gmail.com (Syed Rizvi)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 21:54:27 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] Seeking clarification regarding Washington Seminar
 calls this week
In-Reply-To: <CAOCapPdSgj9taaBsfHRx7fB39M8QSPrH6BP=5sckxL3ARR8NEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOCapPdSgj9taaBsfHRx7fB39M8QSPrH6BP=5sckxL3ARR8NEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <62B094D3-F40B-4B63-8B54-3D9520AB1444@gmail.com>

Dear K,
I am so sorry about the confusion. As seminar approaches, we are tirelessly working to not only prepare for the hill, but to also try and provide all of our members with the correct information. 
Thankfully, we planned two membership calls. For anyone who was unable to make it tonight, or was also caught off guard with the time change, the next call will be this Tuesday, at 8PM eastern.
Again so sorry about the confusion. Hope to speak with you soon.

Syed Rizvi 
2nd Vice President | National Association of Blind Students 
SyedRizviNFB at GMail.com 
4132503523 
“Tough times don't last, tough people do.”-Robert Schuller

> On Jan 21, 2018, at 9:39 PM, Kassandra Cardenas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I am emailing because I was seeking clarification regarding the Washington
> Seminar calls that were being hosted by NABS, and I wanted to email the
> list directly because I imagine I'm not the only one.
> 
> The email that I first received discussing the call said that it was at
> 9:00 EST, as well as the subsequent emails after that. Yet the emails I
> received yesterday and today said a different time, but there was no
> acknowledgement of the call time ever having changed. Even in the two most
> recent emails, one said 9:00 EST for Tuesday's call, and another one said
> 8:00 EST.
> 
> I even tried following up on when the call was today by reaching out to
> someone who I knew would have an answer for me, but I never did receive an
> answer. I wasn't able to call in at 8:00 EST either, because I only made
> myself available for the time that I was first told the call was going to
> be held.
> 
> At this point, I am incredibly confused as to when the next call is even
> taking place, and I'm also uncertain as to if I'll even be able to attend
> it, since I planned on attending todays. If I could please receive some
> clarification regarding this whole situation, I'd very much appreciate it.
> 
> Regards,
> -K Cardenas
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From bluezinfandel at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 22 13:58:28 2018
From: bluezinfandel at hotmail.com (Ben Fulton)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 13:58:28 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] NABS-L] itunes store
Message-ID: <CY4PR22MB03421BF6073DDFC8F522CF59A8EC0@CY4PR22MB0342.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Amy,

I found trying to use Itunes on a PC with Jaws was really glitchy. Things
would take a really long time to load, and sometimes just freeze altogether.
I'm not sure what other people's experience with using itunes on a pc have
been. I might suggest using the ap on your phone, if you have one.

Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2018 22:16:05 -0700
From: Amy Sabo <amieelsabo at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>, 	NFB of Colorado Discussion List
	<Colorado-talk at nfbnet.org>, 	Performing Arts Division list
	<perform-talk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [NABS-L] itunes store
Message-ID:
	<CAOF1yXG6wdOUf_K-puk3ffpCaRk9Obx3Y=wXbOPwO_cLYEU9FQ at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

hello all,

I hope that you all are having a good evening. i'm trying to purchase a
album through the iTunes store via the internet or through the iTunes ap
that I have on my computer. I got a few gift cards for Christmas and, I want
to use them. I was wondering on how you go aboiut in finding and purchasing
albums or songs in the iTunes store on your computer by using jfw? I have
tried doing this myself and, i'm having problems.. are there some shortcuts
by using iTunes with jfw?
thanks again and, I will talk to you all soon!






From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 22 14:23:48 2018
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 09:23:48 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Peer feedback is greatly appreciated
Message-ID: <5a65f400.02ae630a.3d1bf.17aa@mx.google.com>

Is there any way you can get Pdf files of your books this 
semester? If you have a notetaker such as the BrailleNote Touch 
from Humanware you can read your electronic Pdf's on it.


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 22 14:23:56 2018
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 09:23:56 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Playing golf as a blind person
Message-ID: <5a65f407.02ae630a.3d1bf.17b3@mx.google.com>

I played golf with other blind children when I was in elementary 
school.  Our coach had exercises that we had to practice at home 
during the week.


From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Mon Jan 22 14:32:29 2018
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 09:32:29 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Peer feedback is greatly appreciated
In-Reply-To: <5a65f400.02ae630a.3d1bf.17aa@mx.google.com>
References: <5a65f400.02ae630a.3d1bf.17aa@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <0BDCAF9F-E3E9-47E1-84E3-4BF1DEABD1D2@gmail.com>

Personally, PDF's are a last resort for me. I would much rather get BRF, Word or audio/DAISY copies of my books if I possibly can. However, if you have to get them in PDF, you could get them directly from the book's publisher. Also, if DSS ends up having to scan the book, the result will most likely be a PDF file which has had OCR done on it.

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 22, 2018, at 9:23 AM, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Is there any way you can get Pdf files of your books this semester? If you have a notetaker such as the BrailleNote Touch from Humanware you can read your electronic Pdf's on it.
> 
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From jldail13 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 22 15:15:01 2018
From: jldail13 at gmail.com (jldail13 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 10:15:01 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] NABS-L] itunes store
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR22MB03421BF6073DDFC8F522CF59A8EC0@CY4PR22MB0342.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CY4PR22MB03421BF6073DDFC8F522CF59A8EC0@CY4PR22MB0342.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <042d01d39393$c6641640$532c42c0$@gmail.com>

Hi,
The app for mac is great!

Thanks,
Jessica


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ben Fulton via
NABS-L
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 8:58 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Ben Fulton <bluezinfandel at hotmail.com>
Subject: [NABS-L] NABS-L] itunes store

Hi Amy,

I found trying to use Itunes on a PC with Jaws was really glitchy. Things
would take a really long time to load, and sometimes just freeze altogether.
I'm not sure what other people's experience with using itunes on a pc have
been. I might suggest using the ap on your phone, if you have one.

Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2018 22:16:05 -0700
From: Amy Sabo <amieelsabo at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>, 	NFB of Colorado Discussion List
	<Colorado-talk at nfbnet.org>, 	Performing Arts Division list
	<perform-talk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [NABS-L] itunes store
Message-ID:
	<CAOF1yXG6wdOUf_K-puk3ffpCaRk9Obx3Y=wXbOPwO_cLYEU9FQ at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

hello all,

I hope that you all are having a good evening. i'm trying to purchase a
album through the iTunes store via the internet or through the iTunes ap
that I have on my computer. I got a few gift cards for Christmas and, I want
to use them. I was wondering on how you go aboiut in finding and purchasing
albums or songs in the iTunes store on your computer by using jfw? I have
tried doing this myself and, i'm having problems.. are there some shortcuts
by using iTunes with jfw?
thanks again and, I will talk to you all soon!





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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Mon Jan 22 20:05:54 2018
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 12:05:54 -0800
Subject: [NABS-L] Help with Reading Power-Points
Message-ID: <76AFBC89-C10B-4FB3-974D-3FBF5C4EBF77@gmail.com>

Hi All,
I have an Iphone 6. When my teachers email me Power-Points from class, I am able to access them by directly opening them from the email.
However, I was wondering if there are any applications which would allow me to save my spot in them, because if for whatever reason I have to go to a different application and then re-open the email, it will take me right back to the top of the presentation. I also wonder how you can access these other apps from the email.  Also, when I click on a presentation from an email, I am taken directly to it, without choice to open in another app.
If you could let me know what you use to read your presentations from an email, I would really appreciate it.
Thanks,
Vejas

From mausam.mehta00 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 22 22:18:40 2018
From: mausam.mehta00 at gmail.com (Mausam Mehta)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 17:18:40 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Help with Reading Power-Points
In-Reply-To: <76AFBC89-C10B-4FB3-974D-3FBF5C4EBF77@gmail.com>
References: <76AFBC89-C10B-4FB3-974D-3FBF5C4EBF77@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B9E2DF64-DC76-4AA9-AF3F-316BC2B83711@gmail.com>

Hi Vejas,
I have not found a way to save my place in a presentation or document on the iPhone. I generally only use it when viewing short documents that I can scan through at a glance. Generally, for longer presentations, documents, and readings, I use my laptop. With most web browsers, you can open an email and simply click view as HTML to view the document as an Internet file, and scan through the text like a webpage. You can have as many windows open as you like, and when you return to the one with your open file, you can resume where you left off in most cases. The other option would be to simply download the file, but this would be more efficient on the laptop as well. I have not had much experience downloading files on the iPhone, but possibly the Files app might be of some use?
Best,
Mausam

> On Jan 22, 2018, at 3:05 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> I have an Iphone 6. When my teachers email me Power-Points from class, I am able to access them by directly opening them from the email.
> However, I was wondering if there are any applications which would allow me to save my spot in them, because if for whatever reason I have to go to a different application and then re-open the email, it will take me right back to the top of the presentation. I also wonder how you can access these other apps from the email.  Also, when I click on a presentation from an email, I am taken directly to it, without choice to open in another app.
> If you could let me know what you use to read your presentations from an email, I would really appreciate it.
> Thanks,
> Vejas
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From iperrault at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 22 22:28:00 2018
From: iperrault at hotmail.com (Ian Perrault)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 22:28:00 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] Facebook Live Audio on IPhone 8
Message-ID: <DM5PR13MB0923BE8FCA53DB4CD058B634BFEC0@DM5PR13MB0923.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>

Hi,
So yesterday with some friends, I discovered facebook live! While it's cool, they can broadcast in either live video or audio, but for some strange reason, I can only broadcast in video. I have an IPhone 8, the latest version of IOS, and the latest version of facebook. One of my friends has an IPhone 10, and one has a 6S. Have any of you with an IPhone 8 tried to broadcast live on facebook audio, but the option isn't there? I'm trying to figure out whether this is an IPhone thing, or maybe this feature is still in testing, or something. I've sent a message on facebook messenger to the live chat, but haven't heard back.
Ian

From amieelsabo at gmail.com  Tue Jan 23 01:44:57 2018
From: amieelsabo at gmail.com (Amy Sabo)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 18:44:57 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] itunes store
In-Reply-To: <610C7865-75E8-4959-8959-334C4E0408C3@gmail.com>
References: <CAOF1yXG6wdOUf_K-puk3ffpCaRk9Obx3Y=wXbOPwO_cLYEU9FQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<610C7865-75E8-4959-8959-334C4E0408C3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOF1yXFSqzQtVxnuftd2CVj9M=aevkoRRHWZdHXJ-56d00ujUg@mail.gmail.com>

hello sarah and all,

yes, I tried typing in the search field the particular artist that i'm
looking for and, I also then checked the music marked box and, it
still doesn't work for me! I tried tabbing to it and, I also tried
hitting the space bar too to check them too!  well, I guess I will
have to stick with purchasing my music through amazon music store
since it's very accessible with jfw! I thought this method with
purchasing music through the iTunes store on a pc would be accessible
well, I was wrong! unfortunately, I don't have a iPhone due to other
personal reasons but, I do have a accessible cell phone too!

thanks all for the advice and, i will talk to you all soon!



hugs,
amy

On 1/21/18, Roanna Bacchus  via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Type the names of the songs or albums that you want in the search box when
> you select a category for music.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jan 21, 2018, at 12:16 AM, Amy Sabo via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> hello all,
>>
>> I hope that you all are having a good evening. i'm trying to purchase
>> a album through the iTunes store via the internet or through the
>> iTunes ap that I have on my computer. I got a few gift cards for
>> Christmas and, I want to use them. I was wondering on how you go
>> aboiut in finding and purchasing albums or songs in the iTunes store
>> on your computer by using jfw? I have tried doing this myself and, i'm
>> having problems.. are there some shortcuts by using iTunes with jfw?
>> thanks again and, I will talk to you all soon!
>>
>>
>>
>> hugs,
>> amy
>>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 23 02:25:03 2018
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 21:25:03 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Help with Reading Power-Points
In-Reply-To: <B9E2DF64-DC76-4AA9-AF3F-316BC2B83711@gmail.com>
References: <76AFBC89-C10B-4FB3-974D-3FBF5C4EBF77@gmail.com>
	<B9E2DF64-DC76-4AA9-AF3F-316BC2B83711@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1BE59C424EFD4514B88F5393CB4310DD@OwnerPC>

Mausem,

Good advice. I also use a pc for powerpoints.
I agree that downloading the file to a computer is a good idea. If you 
download it to your laptop though, you will have to unprotect the file by 
going to the file tab and clicking unprotect.

I actually don't have that sort of phone, but  I know that its easier to use 
a computer and laptops  will do the trick given they are thin and portable 
now.
As for saving your place, I'm not sure this is possible. Whenever I open the 
powerpoints, it begins at slide 1.
I think there is a go to slide feature on windows pcs
If not, you can press page down to go down by slides.
I wish powerpoint had placemarkers like word.

Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Mausam Mehta via NABS-L
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 5:18 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Mausam Mehta
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Help with Reading Power-Points

Hi Vejas,
I have not found a way to save my place in a presentation or document on the 
iPhone. I generally only use it when viewing short documents that I can scan 
through at a glance. Generally, for longer presentations, documents, and 
readings, I use my laptop. With most web browsers, you can open an email and 
simply click view as HTML to view the document as an Internet file, and scan 
through the text like a webpage. You can have as many windows open as you 
like, and when you return to the one with your open file, you can resume 
where you left off in most cases. The other option would be to simply 
download the file, but this would be more efficient on the laptop as well. I 
have not had much experience downloading files on the iPhone, but possibly 
the Files app might be of some use?
Best,
Mausam

> On Jan 22, 2018, at 3:05 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
> I have an Iphone 6. When my teachers email me Power-Points from class, I 
> am able to access them by directly opening them from the email.
> However, I was wondering if there are any applications which would allow 
> me to save my spot in them, because if for whatever reason I have to go to 
> a different application and then re-open the email, it will take me right 
> back to the top of the presentation. I also wonder how you can access 
> these other apps from the email.  Also, when I click on a presentation 
> from an email, I am taken directly to it, without choice to open in 
> another app.
> If you could let me know what you use to read your presentations from an 
> email, I would really appreciate it.
> Thanks,
> Vejas
> _______________________________________________
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> NABS-L:
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From bluezinfandel at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 23 15:14:18 2018
From: bluezinfandel at hotmail.com (Ben Fulton)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 15:14:18 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] NABS-L] itunes store
Message-ID: <CY4PR22MB034226985CE1DCFCE317D615A8E30@CY4PR22MB0342.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Yes, that's great if you have a mac. Unfortunately, the tech grant I
received does not cover macs, but insists on buying PC, and it's one of my
peeves with apple is that they don't make their software compatible. It
works if you have everything apple, but not so good for anyone else.

From: <jldail13 at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS-L] itunes store
Message-ID: <042d01d39393$c6641640$532c42c0$@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

Hi,
The app for mac is great!

Thanks,
Jessica


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ben Fulton via
NABS-L
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 8:58 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Ben Fulton <bluezinfandel at hotmail.com>
Subject: [NABS-L] NABS-L] itunes store

Hi Amy,

I found trying to use Itunes on a PC with Jaws was really glitchy. Things
would take a really long time to load, and sometimes just freeze altogether.
I'm not sure what other people's experience with using itunes on a pc have
been. I might suggest using the ap on your phone, if you have one.

Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2018 22:16:05 -0700
From: Amy Sabo <amieelsabo at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>, 	NFB of Colorado Discussion List
	<Colorado-talk at nfbnet.org>, 	Performing Arts Division list
	<perform-talk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [NABS-L] itunes store
Message-ID:
	<CAOF1yXG6wdOUf_K-puk3ffpCaRk9Obx3Y=wXbOPwO_cLYEU9FQ at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

hello all,

I hope that you all are having a good evening. i'm trying to purchase a
album through the iTunes store via the internet or through the iTunes ap
that I have on my computer. I got a few gift cards for Christmas and, I want
to use them. I was wondering on how you go aboiut in finding and purchasing
albums or songs in the iTunes store on your computer by using jfw? I have
tried doing this myself and, i'm having problems.. are there some shortcuts
by using iTunes with jfw?
thanks again and, I will talk to you all soon!




From nabs.president at gmail.com  Tue Jan 23 15:54:31 2018
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (NABS President | Kathryn Webster)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 10:54:31 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Do you like lines?
Message-ID: <009501d39462$75c66b00$61534100$@gmail.com>

Honestly, we don't!!!

 

As a matter of convenience and time, preregister for the 2018 NABS Winter
Seminar at the below link:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1KAK_irKhh7R7ImNzwqeEomA7EpzIM5hniJPjpLNp9Tc
/edit

 

Beat the lines, grab some breakfast, and just pay your $5!

See you next week!

 

Love,

Kathryn Webster

President | National association of blind students

(203) 273-8463

Nabs.president at gmail.com

 


From redwing731 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 24 00:34:30 2018
From: redwing731 at gmail.com (Kendra Schaber)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 16:34:30 -0800
Subject: [NABS-L] Blind climatologist?
Message-ID: <50ED1D61-4556-498F-81F7-14DE6201F54D@gmail.com>

Hi all!
I’m studying to become a climatologist. I also happened to be blind myself. I have never heard of a blind climatologist before and am wondering if they’re out there. Also because of my field of study, I’m looking for a blind climatologist to gather more information on their experience both in their education and their current experience as a climatologist. If any one knows a blind climatologist or you are one, please let me know.
My contact information:
E Mail:
Redwing731 at gmail.com
Phone:
971-599-9991.
Thank you!!!


 
Blessed be!!! 
Kendra Schaber 
National Federation of the Blind, 
Capitol Chapter, 
Salem, Oregon.  
"When the student is ready, the teacher will appear" Author Unknown. 
 

From veronica.gaspa at student.shu.edu  Wed Jan 24 22:01:21 2018
From: veronica.gaspa at student.shu.edu (Veronica R Gaspa)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 22:01:21 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] blogger.com
Message-ID: <DM5PR0102MB35288221E01AAC9C6664FD10C8E20@DM5PR0102MB3528.prod.exchangelabs.com>

Hello fellow Nabsters!
For one of my classes we have to use blogger.com, but jaws is not reading the website well when I'm trying to create a new blog. Does anyone have any experience with or tips for blogger.com? Please feel free to reply to this message or contact me using the contact info that's in my signature block. Hope everyone has a great night, and can't wait to see you all at Washington Seminar!
Best,
Vee Gaspa


Vee Gaspa
President, New Jersey Association of Blind Students
Brother, Alpha Phi Omega
Writer, the Setonian
Phone: 434-989-1868
Email: veronica.gaspa at student.shu.edu<mailto:veronica.gaspa at student.shu.edu>
Remember, you can live the life you want!


From logan4447 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 26 04:24:46 2018
From: logan4447 at gmail.com (Logan Anderson)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 23:24:46 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Planning Apps
Message-ID: <383A60FF-A056-42F2-9B78-6CEC1A3192BC@gmail.com>

Hello all,
 I was wondering if any of you know of an accessible planner app I could put on my Mac. I do not find the one that came on it to be particularly useful to me. I am taking several classes this semester, and cannot balance all the due dates for my work in my head. 
Thank you,
Logan 

From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 26 16:23:09 2018
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 11:23:09 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Equal Pay For Disabled Workers
Message-ID: <5a6b55ff.95896b0a.4e660.3f23@mx.google.com>

Dear Students,

I hope all of you are doing well and getting ready for a 
fun-filled Washington Seminar.  I can't wait to read about it in 
the next issue of the Braille Monitor.  As many of you know, I am 
in the process of seeking employment.  I am working to complete 
the certification course to become a literary braille 
transcriber.  I began 2018 by contacting some local organizations 
here in Central Florida to see if they provide employment 
assistance for individuals with visual impairments.  Three weeks 
ago, I called Inspire Central Florida formerly known as the 
Seminole County Work Opportunities Program or Swop.  This company 
provides jobs to individuals with developmental disabilities.  In 
my discussions with the Administrative Assistant, I was outraged 
and disgusted to learn that this organization pays its workers 
fifty cents to a dollar per hour to complete a task.  This is an 
example of a company paying subminimum wages to workers with 
disabilities.  I believe that all disabled workers deserve equal 
pay for their work.  What are your thoughts on this topic?


From alliefa1999 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 26 16:46:33 2018
From: alliefa1999 at gmail.com (Alexandra Alfonso)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 11:46:33 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Equal Pay For Disabled Workers
In-Reply-To: <5a6b55ff.95896b0a.4e660.3f23@mx.google.com>
References: <5a6b55ff.95896b0a.4e660.3f23@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAO84cXrB1JOC2iXgRjH43U6ELaLpNYzDrHR5fA_X59BymKEO-A@mail.gmail.com>

I agree that that doesn't make any sense.

On 1/26/18, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Dear Students,
>
> I hope all of you are doing well and getting ready for a
> fun-filled Washington Seminar.  I can't wait to read about it in
> the next issue of the Braille Monitor.  As many of you know, I am
> in the process of seeking employment.  I am working to complete
> the certification course to become a literary braille
> transcriber.  I began 2018 by contacting some local organizations
> here in Central Florida to see if they provide employment
> assistance for individuals with visual impairments.  Three weeks
> ago, I called Inspire Central Florida formerly known as the
> Seminole County Work Opportunities Program or Swop.  This company
> provides jobs to individuals with developmental disabilities.  In
> my discussions with the Administrative Assistant, I was outraged
> and disgusted to learn that this organization pays its workers
> fifty cents to a dollar per hour to complete a task.  This is an
> example of a company paying subminimum wages to workers with
> disabilities.  I believe that all disabled workers deserve equal
> pay for their work.  What are your thoughts on this topic?
>
> _______________________________________________
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> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From emitchell927 at icloud.com  Fri Jan 26 17:08:09 2018
From: emitchell927 at icloud.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 12:08:09 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Planning Apps
In-Reply-To: <383A60FF-A056-42F2-9B78-6CEC1A3192BC@gmail.com>
References: <383A60FF-A056-42F2-9B78-6CEC1A3192BC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B383038A-2279-4055-9EF0-7027CC09AE51@icloud.com>

Hey you could try my homework it is free and accessible with voiceover 
I also have found iStudiez pro great and accessible 
Emma

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 25, 2018, at 11:24 PM, Logan Anderson via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> I was wondering if any of you know of an accessible planner app I could put on my Mac. I do not find the one that came on it to be particularly useful to me. I am taking several classes this semester, and cannot balance all the due dates for my work in my head. 
> Thank you,
> Logan 
> _______________________________________________
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From valandkayla at gmail.com  Fri Jan 26 17:32:29 2018
From: valandkayla at gmail.com (Valerie Gibson)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 10:32:29 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] Planning Apps
In-Reply-To: <B383038A-2279-4055-9EF0-7027CC09AE51@icloud.com>
References: <383A60FF-A056-42F2-9B78-6CEC1A3192BC@gmail.com>
	<B383038A-2279-4055-9EF0-7027CC09AE51@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <8843ACCA-BCCB-44BC-956C-C1C1D9E2FBCC@gmail.com>

Hi, 

I highly recommend Istudiez pro.  It costs, but is totally worth it!   

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 26, 2018, at 10:08 AM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey you could try my homework it is free and accessible with voiceover 
> I also have found iStudiez pro great and accessible 
> Emma
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 25, 2018, at 11:24 PM, Logan Anderson via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> I was wondering if any of you know of an accessible planner app I could put on my Mac. I do not find the one that came on it to be particularly useful to me. I am taking several classes this semester, and cannot balance all the due dates for my work in my head. 
>> Thank you,
>> Logan 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
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> 
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From redwing731 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 26 18:04:49 2018
From: redwing731 at gmail.com (Kendra Schaber)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 10:04:49 -0800
Subject: [NABS-L] Science Seminar:
Message-ID: <3FA5E7FE-44DC-4839-9DE6-8B31A245F856@gmail.com>

Hi all! 
Can someone please send out the information to the seminar on February 12, 2018 regarding challenges that science students face? I deleeted that E Mail without knowing it’s importance for me to attend the event. Oops!!! 
 That would be great!!! 
 

 
Blessed be!!! 
Kendra Schaber 
National Federation of the Blind, 
Capitol Chapter, 
Salem, Oregon.  
"When the student is ready, the teacher will appear" Author Unknown. 
 

From dwiniecki at handid.org  Fri Jan 26 18:09:15 2018
From: dwiniecki at handid.org (Donald Winiecki)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 11:09:15 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] Science Seminar:
In-Reply-To: <3FA5E7FE-44DC-4839-9DE6-8B31A245F856@gmail.com>
References: <3FA5E7FE-44DC-4839-9DE6-8B31A245F856@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD5OMmGTJtP722rJ+LT6zR1P-vQ-Ounx+8RCgzd93YV5ykWcVA@mail.gmail.com>

Kendra and all,

This is the info on the Science Seminar:

The Science and Engineering Division of the National Federation of the
Blind and the National Association of Blind Students present a joint phone
conference on how blind professionals, and blind college and graduate
students are succeeding in courses to do with science, technology,
engineering, and mathematics.  The call-in number is the NABS conference
line 712-770-5197, Participant Access Code: 265669.  The call will occur at
9PM EST through 10PM EST on Monday, February 12, 2018.

Topics will be of interest for blind students in middle school, high
school, college and graduate school, and professionals. Parents of blind
school-aged children and educators are also welcome.  Topics will include
how to succeeding as a blind person in biology, chemistry, physics,
mathematics, and engineering.  Some portion of the presentation will
address how to succeed in a laboratory setting.

_don

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Don Winiecki
Certified Braille Transcriber
Handid Media • a non-profit organization
dwiniecki at handid.org
http://handid.org
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~d

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 11:04 AM, Kendra Schaber via NABS-L <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi all!
> Can someone please send out the information to the seminar on February 12,
> 2018 regarding challenges that science students face? I deleeted that E
> Mail without knowing it’s importance for me to attend the event. Oops!!!
>  That would be great!!!
>
>
>
> Blessed be!!!
> Kendra Schaber
> National Federation of the Blind,
> Capitol Chapter,
> Salem, Oregon.
> "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear" Author Unknown.
>
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>

From logan4447 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 26 21:41:36 2018
From: logan4447 at gmail.com (Logan Anderson)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 16:41:36 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Planning Apps
In-Reply-To: <B383038A-2279-4055-9EF0-7027CC09AE51@icloud.com>
References: <383A60FF-A056-42F2-9B78-6CEC1A3192BC@gmail.com>
	<B383038A-2279-4055-9EF0-7027CC09AE51@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <B2BC57B8-95D5-429D-96C2-032C4250BB37@gmail.com>

Thank you. I will check those out. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 26, 2018, at 12:08 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey you could try my homework it is free and accessible with voiceover 
> I also have found iStudiez pro great and accessible 
> Emma
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 25, 2018, at 11:24 PM, Logan Anderson via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> I was wondering if any of you know of an accessible planner app I could put on my Mac. I do not find the one that came on it to be particularly useful to me. I am taking several classes this semester, and cannot balance all the due dates for my work in my head. 
>> Thank you,
>> Logan 
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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Sat Jan 27 00:19:51 2018
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 19:19:51 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Weekly and Mac Air
Message-ID: <18F6EBBB-AA02-490F-83BC-975CF81525A4@icloud.com>

Hi all,
     I hope you are having a good semester. Today is the second day of my last semester of high school. My semester seems to be going well so far. I really enjoy my teachers! However, two of my teachers have websites on Weebly where they post assignments and Powerpoints. I have also set up a folder in Google Drive for assignments and materials for each class. Both teachers have the materials for each unit in a dropdown menu on their websites. For example, for my Earth and Environmental Science class, you click on the resources page and a dropdown comes up where you select whatever section you are looking for. That’s what happens when a sighted parent or teacher goes through the steps on my Mac Air. However, when I go through the same steps, the dropdown menu does not come up. I tried it on my iPad and the same thing happened.
     My TVI and I discussed it this morning, and we are not sure why this is happening. We discussed solutions that could help me get the content I need. One thing we discussed is having someone open the correct page for me and than I could bookmark it. That would allow me to access whatever I need at the same time as everyone else, open it, and then put it wherever I need to put it, either in Google Drive or in a folder on my laptop. Another thing we discussed is that she could send me the links on the website in emails, but then it would take more advanced preparation for me to find what I need to save and what I need to bookmark. There is a lot of content on the Weebly pages, and they have the potential to be of great use to me. We are actually having a quiz on the first section on Wednesday in Earth Science, so these are fast moving classes. I am working on getting a successful system in place, but it is especially stressful when I cannot access the class website as easily as everyone else, and I know it is important for me to be efficient. Do you have any thoughts on how I could get VoiceOver to access the dropdown menu? If not, have you had a similar situation and what was your solution? I am glad it is the weekend! Thank you.
Sincerely,
Mikayla

From santiago.blue.hernandez at gmail.com  Sat Jan 27 00:39:21 2018
From: santiago.blue.hernandez at gmail.com (Santiago Hernandez)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 16:39:21 -0800
Subject: [NABS-L] Weekly and Mac Air
In-Reply-To: <18F6EBBB-AA02-490F-83BC-975CF81525A4@icloud.com>
References: <18F6EBBB-AA02-490F-83BC-975CF81525A4@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CAKvpgzC690DbphWLecCJFdMhELed=Ezb8mvUydyWdecxf9TPsA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
When you're navigating the site, and double tap or click on the
dropdown menu, does it show the links to the resources visually, or
does it not do anything at all? Depending on whether it does or
doesn't, you could try a couple of things, although it would be easier
if you could let us know, or if you'd like to email me, and let me
know, so I can try and help. I've had a similar issue before myself.

Santiago


On 1/26/18, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>      I hope you are having a good semester. Today is the second day of my
> last semester of high school. My semester seems to be going well so far. I
> really enjoy my teachers! However, two of my teachers have websites on
> Weebly where they post assignments and Powerpoints. I have also set up a
> folder in Google Drive for assignments and materials for each class. Both
> teachers have the materials for each unit in a dropdown menu on their
> websites. For example, for my Earth and Environmental Science class, you
> click on the resources page and a dropdown comes up where you select
> whatever section you are looking for. That’s what happens when a sighted
> parent or teacher goes through the steps on my Mac Air. However, when I go
> through the same steps, the dropdown menu does not come up. I tried it on my
> iPad and the same thing happened.
>      My TVI and I discussed it this morning, and we are not sure why this is
> happening. We discussed solutions that could help me get the content I need.
> One thing we discussed is having someone open the correct page for me and
> than I could bookmark it. That would allow me to access whatever I need at
> the same time as everyone else, open it, and then put it wherever I need to
> put it, either in Google Drive or in a folder on my laptop. Another thing we
> discussed is that she could send me the links on the website in emails, but
> then it would take more advanced preparation for me to find what I need to
> save and what I need to bookmark. There is a lot of content on the Weebly
> pages, and they have the potential to be of great use to me. We are actually
> having a quiz on the first section on Wednesday in Earth Science, so these
> are fast moving classes. I am working on getting a successful system in
> place, but it is especially stressful when I cannot access the class website
> as easily as everyone else, and I know it is important for me to be
> efficient. Do you have any thoughts on how I could get VoiceOver to access
> the dropdown menu? If not, have you had a similar situation and what was
> your solution? I am glad it is the weekend! Thank you.
> Sincerely,
> Mikayla
> _______________________________________________
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>


From tyler at tysdomain.com  Sat Jan 27 00:45:57 2018
From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 19:45:57 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Weekly and Mac Air
In-Reply-To: <18F6EBBB-AA02-490F-83BC-975CF81525A4@icloud.com>
References: <18F6EBBB-AA02-490F-83BC-975CF81525A4@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <7591b45b-4886-7b09-83d9-37a5d5a9c0b4@tysdomain.com>

Hello,
I don't mind helping you try to troubleshoot this. If you want to feel
free to contact me off list. Is this page public so I can try to help
you figure out a solution?
Thanks,

On 1/26/2018 7:19 PM, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L wrote:
> Hi all,
>      I hope you are having a good semester. Today is the second day of my last semester of high school. My semester seems to be going well so far. I really enjoy my teachers! However, two of my teachers have websites on Weebly where they post assignments and Powerpoints. I have also set up a folder in Google Drive for assignments and materials for each class. Both teachers have the materials for each unit in a dropdown menu on their websites. For example, for my Earth and Environmental Science class, you click on the resources page and a dropdown comes up where you select whatever section you are looking for. That’s what happens when a sighted parent or teacher goes through the steps on my Mac Air. However, when I go through the same steps, the dropdown menu does not come up. I tried it on my iPad and the same thing happened.
>      My TVI and I discussed it this morning, and we are not sure why this is happening. We discussed solutions that could help me get the content I need. One thing we discussed is having someone open the correct page for me and than I could bookmark it. That would allow me to access whatever I need at the same time as everyone else, open it, and then put it wherever I need to put it, either in Google Drive or in a folder on my laptop. Another thing we discussed is that she could send me the links on the website in emails, but then it would take more advanced preparation for me to find what I need to save and what I need to bookmark. There is a lot of content on the Weebly pages, and they have the potential to be of great use to me. We are actually having a quiz on the first section on Wednesday in Earth Science, so these are fast moving classes. I am working on getting a successful system in place, but it is especially stressful when I cannot access the class website as easily as everyone else, and I know it is important for me to be efficient. Do you have any thoughts on how I could get VoiceOver to access the dropdown menu? If not, have you had a similar situation and what was your solution? I am glad it is the weekend! Thank you.
> Sincerely,
> Mikayla
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From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Sat Jan 27 09:37:05 2018
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 04:37:05 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Equal Pay For Disabled Workers
In-Reply-To: <CAO84cXrB1JOC2iXgRjH43U6ELaLpNYzDrHR5fA_X59BymKEO-A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5a6b55ff.95896b0a.4e660.3f23@mx.google.com>
	<CAO84cXrB1JOC2iXgRjH43U6ELaLpNYzDrHR5fA_X59BymKEO-A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9CBB4C99-CCCC-4F88-98C2-D77AABECCE14@gmail.com>

I completely agree. Very disgusting! Thanks for sharing your experience. I am also looking for work in my Field as a social worker in Montreal, Canada and have experienced that not too many people want to take a chance to hire me!

Amanda

> On Jan 26, 2018, at 11:46 AM, Alexandra Alfonso via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I agree that that doesn't make any sense.
> 
>> On 1/26/18, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Dear Students,
>> 
>> I hope all of you are doing well and getting ready for a
>> fun-filled Washington Seminar.  I can't wait to read about it in
>> the next issue of the Braille Monitor.  As many of you know, I am
>> in the process of seeking employment.  I am working to complete
>> the certification course to become a literary braille
>> transcriber.  I began 2018 by contacting some local organizations
>> here in Central Florida to see if they provide employment
>> assistance for individuals with visual impairments.  Three weeks
>> ago, I called Inspire Central Florida formerly known as the
>> Seminole County Work Opportunities Program or Swop.  This company
>> provides jobs to individuals with developmental disabilities.  In
>> my discussions with the Administrative Assistant, I was outraged
>> and disgusted to learn that this organization pays its workers
>> fifty cents to a dollar per hour to complete a task.  This is an
>> example of a company paying subminimum wages to workers with
>> disabilities.  I believe that all disabled workers deserve equal
>> pay for their work.  What are your thoughts on this topic?
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alliefa1999%40gmail.com
>> 
> 
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 27 15:37:41 2018
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 10:37:41 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Equal Pay For Disabled Workers
In-Reply-To: <9CBB4C99-CCCC-4F88-98C2-D77AABECCE14@gmail.com>
References: <5a6b55ff.95896b0a.4e660.3f23@mx.google.com>
	<CAO84cXrB1JOC2iXgRjH43U6ELaLpNYzDrHR5fA_X59BymKEO-A@mail.gmail.com>
	<9CBB4C99-CCCC-4F88-98C2-D77AABECCE14@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E878CF44-98FE-4D7E-ADA2-62B77598C464@gmail.com>

Welcome! I am having the same experience.

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 27, 2018, at 4:37 AM, Amanda via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I completely agree. Very disgusting! Thanks for sharing your experience. I am also looking for work in my Field as a social worker in Montreal, Canada and have experienced that not too many people want to take a chance to hire me!
> 
> Amanda
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2018, at 11:46 AM, Alexandra Alfonso via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I agree that that doesn't make any sense.
>> 
>>> On 1/26/18, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Dear Students,
>>> 
>>> I hope all of you are doing well and getting ready for a
>>> fun-filled Washington Seminar.  I can't wait to read about it in
>>> the next issue of the Braille Monitor.  As many of you know, I am
>>> in the process of seeking employment.  I am working to complete
>>> the certification course to become a literary braille
>>> transcriber.  I began 2018 by contacting some local organizations
>>> here in Central Florida to see if they provide employment
>>> assistance for individuals with visual impairments.  Three weeks
>>> ago, I called Inspire Central Florida formerly known as the
>>> Seminole County Work Opportunities Program or Swop.  This company
>>> provides jobs to individuals with developmental disabilities.  In
>>> my discussions with the Administrative Assistant, I was outraged
>>> and disgusted to learn that this organization pays its workers
>>> fifty cents to a dollar per hour to complete a task.  This is an
>>> example of a company paying subminimum wages to workers with
>>> disabilities.  I believe that all disabled workers deserve equal
>>> pay for their work.  What are your thoughts on this topic?
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> NABS-L:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alliefa1999%40gmail.com
>>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Sat Jan 27 15:41:30 2018
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 10:41:30 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Equal Pay For Disabled Workers
In-Reply-To: <E878CF44-98FE-4D7E-ADA2-62B77598C464@gmail.com>
References: <5a6b55ff.95896b0a.4e660.3f23@mx.google.com>
	<CAO84cXrB1JOC2iXgRjH43U6ELaLpNYzDrHR5fA_X59BymKEO-A@mail.gmail.com>
	<9CBB4C99-CCCC-4F88-98C2-D77AABECCE14@gmail.com>
	<E878CF44-98FE-4D7E-ADA2-62B77598C464@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6FE1CCB3-974A-4051-A28B-E21508A970E9@gmail.com>

What kind of job are you looking for? I’m glad I’m not alone!

Amanda

> On Jan 27, 2018, at 10:37 AM, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Welcome! I am having the same experience.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jan 27, 2018, at 4:37 AM, Amanda via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I completely agree. Very disgusting! Thanks for sharing your experience. I am also looking for work in my Field as a social worker in Montreal, Canada and have experienced that not too many people want to take a chance to hire me!
>> 
>> Amanda
>> 
>>> On Jan 26, 2018, at 11:46 AM, Alexandra Alfonso via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I agree that that doesn't make any sense.
>>> 
>>>> On 1/26/18, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Dear Students,
>>>> 
>>>> I hope all of you are doing well and getting ready for a
>>>> fun-filled Washington Seminar.  I can't wait to read about it in
>>>> the next issue of the Braille Monitor.  As many of you know, I am
>>>> in the process of seeking employment.  I am working to complete
>>>> the certification course to become a literary braille
>>>> transcriber.  I began 2018 by contacting some local organizations
>>>> here in Central Florida to see if they provide employment
>>>> assistance for individuals with visual impairments.  Three weeks
>>>> ago, I called Inspire Central Florida formerly known as the
>>>> Seminole County Work Opportunities Program or Swop.  This company
>>>> provides jobs to individuals with developmental disabilities.  In
>>>> my discussions with the Administrative Assistant, I was outraged
>>>> and disgusted to learn that this organization pays its workers
>>>> fifty cents to a dollar per hour to complete a task.  This is an
>>>> example of a company paying subminimum wages to workers with
>>>> disabilities.  I believe that all disabled workers deserve equal
>>>> pay for their work.  What are your thoughts on this topic?
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> NABS-L:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alliefa1999%40gmail.com
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
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> 
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From taylorarndt99 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 27 15:49:24 2018
From: taylorarndt99 at gmail.com (Taylor Arndt)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 10:49:24 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Equal Pay For Disabled Workers
In-Reply-To: <E878CF44-98FE-4D7E-ADA2-62B77598C464@gmail.com>
References: <5a6b55ff.95896b0a.4e660.3f23@mx.google.com>
	<CAO84cXrB1JOC2iXgRjH43U6ELaLpNYzDrHR5fA_X59BymKEO-A@mail.gmail.com>
	<9CBB4C99-CCCC-4F88-98C2-D77AABECCE14@gmail.com>
	<E878CF44-98FE-4D7E-ADA2-62B77598C464@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <648C4F98-A983-4B51-80F5-F1667C6E357A@gmail.com>

And vocational rehabilitation in your state help you with your job search?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 27, 2018, at 10:37 AM, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Welcome! I am having the same experience.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jan 27, 2018, at 4:37 AM, Amanda via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I completely agree. Very disgusting! Thanks for sharing your experience. I am also looking for work in my Field as a social worker in Montreal, Canada and have experienced that not too many people want to take a chance to hire me!
>> 
>> Amanda
>> 
>>> On Jan 26, 2018, at 11:46 AM, Alexandra Alfonso via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I agree that that doesn't make any sense.
>>> 
>>>> On 1/26/18, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Dear Students,
>>>> 
>>>> I hope all of you are doing well and getting ready for a
>>>> fun-filled Washington Seminar.  I can't wait to read about it in
>>>> the next issue of the Braille Monitor.  As many of you know, I am
>>>> in the process of seeking employment.  I am working to complete
>>>> the certification course to become a literary braille
>>>> transcriber.  I began 2018 by contacting some local organizations
>>>> here in Central Florida to see if they provide employment
>>>> assistance for individuals with visual impairments.  Three weeks
>>>> ago, I called Inspire Central Florida formerly known as the
>>>> Seminole County Work Opportunities Program or Swop.  This company
>>>> provides jobs to individuals with developmental disabilities.  In
>>>> my discussions with the Administrative Assistant, I was outraged
>>>> and disgusted to learn that this organization pays its workers
>>>> fifty cents to a dollar per hour to complete a task.  This is an
>>>> example of a company paying subminimum wages to workers with
>>>> disabilities.  I believe that all disabled workers deserve equal
>>>> pay for their work.  What are your thoughts on this topic?
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> NABS-L:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alliefa1999%40gmail.com
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From dkouniaris at gmail.com  Sat Jan 27 18:53:06 2018
From: dkouniaris at gmail.com (dkouniaris at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 12:53:06 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] Streaming information for the 2018 National Association of
 Blind Students Winter Seminar
Message-ID: <00b201d397a0$120a41e0$361ec5a0$@gmail.com>

Greetings everyone:

                I hope that all of you are doing well. I also hope that many
of you are planning to join us at the 2018 Washington Seminar. For those of
you who are unable to attend this year the National Association of Blind
Students Winter Seminar will be streamed. 

To access the stream you can use one of the links below: 

Windows Media Player
https://control.internet-radio.com:2199/tunein/dkouniaris.asx 

 Real Player https://control.internet-radio.com:2199/tunein/dkouniaris.ram

QuickTime https://control.internet-radio.com:2199/tunein/dkouniaris.qtl

Web Proxy   http://198.58.98.83/stream/dkouniaris.pls?mp=/stream

The stream will be recorded as well, and the link to the recording will be
posted up soon after Washington Seminar!

See you all in Washington D.C.!

Warm regards,

Dimitrios Kouniaris  


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 27 19:19:10 2018
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 14:19:10 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Equal Pay For Disabled Workers
In-Reply-To: <648C4F98-A983-4B51-80F5-F1667C6E357A@gmail.com>
References: <5a6b55ff.95896b0a.4e660.3f23@mx.google.com>
	<CAO84cXrB1JOC2iXgRjH43U6ELaLpNYzDrHR5fA_X59BymKEO-A@mail.gmail.com>
	<9CBB4C99-CCCC-4F88-98C2-D77AABECCE14@gmail.com>
	<E878CF44-98FE-4D7E-ADA2-62B77598C464@gmail.com>
	<648C4F98-A983-4B51-80F5-F1667C6E357A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BF16E6F7-D849-4C83-A31B-448686CA67B2@gmail.com>

While I do receive services from their location rehabilitation agency in my state, I am expected to perform some job searching functions such as interviewing completing applications filling out applications and searching for jobs online on my own.

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 27, 2018, at 10:49 AM, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> And vocational rehabilitation in your state help you with your job search?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 27, 2018, at 10:37 AM, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Welcome! I am having the same experience.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jan 27, 2018, at 4:37 AM, Amanda via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I completely agree. Very disgusting! Thanks for sharing your experience. I am also looking for work in my Field as a social worker in Montreal, Canada and have experienced that not too many people want to take a chance to hire me!
>>> 
>>> Amanda
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 26, 2018, at 11:46 AM, Alexandra Alfonso via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I agree that that doesn't make any sense.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 1/26/18, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Dear Students,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I hope all of you are doing well and getting ready for a
>>>>> fun-filled Washington Seminar.  I can't wait to read about it in
>>>>> the next issue of the Braille Monitor.  As many of you know, I am
>>>>> in the process of seeking employment.  I am working to complete
>>>>> the certification course to become a literary braille
>>>>> transcriber.  I began 2018 by contacting some local organizations
>>>>> here in Central Florida to see if they provide employment
>>>>> assistance for individuals with visual impairments.  Three weeks
>>>>> ago, I called Inspire Central Florida formerly known as the
>>>>> Seminole County Work Opportunities Program or Swop.  This company
>>>>> provides jobs to individuals with developmental disabilities.  In
>>>>> my discussions with the Administrative Assistant, I was outraged
>>>>> and disgusted to learn that this organization pays its workers
>>>>> fifty cents to a dollar per hour to complete a task.  This is an
>>>>> example of a company paying subminimum wages to workers with
>>>>> disabilities.  I believe that all disabled workers deserve equal
>>>>> pay for their work.  What are your thoughts on this topic?
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NABS-L mailing list
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From sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com  Sun Jan 28 01:02:10 2018
From: sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 20:02:10 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Planning Apps
In-Reply-To: <8843ACCA-BCCB-44BC-956C-C1C1D9E2FBCC@gmail.com>
References: <383A60FF-A056-42F2-9B78-6CEC1A3192BC@gmail.com>
	<B383038A-2279-4055-9EF0-7027CC09AE51@icloud.com>
	<8843ACCA-BCCB-44BC-956C-C1C1D9E2FBCC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5a6d2112.9e886b0a.9663c.d984@mx.google.com>

I found istudiez to be inaccessible. Have they labelled all the buttons now?

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Valerie Gibson
via NABS-L
Sent: January 26, 2018 12:32 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Valerie Gibson
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Planning Apps

Hi, 

I highly recommend Istudiez pro.  It costs, but is totally worth it!   

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 26, 2018, at 10:08 AM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> Hey you could try my homework it is free and accessible with voiceover 
> I also have found iStudiez pro great and accessible Emma
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 25, 2018, at 11:24 PM, Logan Anderson via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> I was wondering if any of you know of an accessible planner app I could
put on my Mac. I do not find the one that came on it to be particularly
useful to me. I am taking several classes this semester, and cannot balance
all the due dates for my work in my head. 
>> Thank you,
>> Logan
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40ic
>> loud.com
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> l.com

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From emitchell927 at icloud.com  Sun Jan 28 01:21:21 2018
From: emitchell927 at icloud.com (Emma Mitchell)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 20:21:21 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Planning Apps
In-Reply-To: <5a6d2112.9e886b0a.9663c.d984@mx.google.com>
References: <383A60FF-A056-42F2-9B78-6CEC1A3192BC@gmail.com>
	<B383038A-2279-4055-9EF0-7027CC09AE51@icloud.com>
	<8843ACCA-BCCB-44BC-956C-C1C1D9E2FBCC@gmail.com>
	<5a6d2112.9e886b0a.9663c.d984@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <5AA9F3F2-0F8A-4851-9CA3-CD8B9A489182@icloud.com>

Yes 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 27, 2018, at 8:02 PM, Sarah Jevnikar via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I found istudiez to be inaccessible. Have they labelled all the buttons now?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Valerie Gibson
> via NABS-L
> Sent: January 26, 2018 12:32 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Valerie Gibson
> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Planning Apps
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> I highly recommend Istudiez pro.  It costs, but is totally worth it!   
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2018, at 10:08 AM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey you could try my homework it is free and accessible with voiceover 
>> I also have found iStudiez pro great and accessible Emma
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 25, 2018, at 11:24 PM, Logan Anderson via NABS-L
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> I was wondering if any of you know of an accessible planner app I could
> put on my Mac. I do not find the one that came on it to be particularly
> useful to me. I am taking several classes this semester, and cannot balance
> all the due dates for my work in my head. 
>>> Thank you,
>>> Logan
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NABS-L:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40ic
>>> loud.com
>> 
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From zdreicer at gmail.com  Sun Jan 28 22:27:07 2018
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (zdreicer at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2018 15:27:07 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] GRE suggestions
Message-ID: <5a6e4e3b.9230ca0a.923e5.3e4d@mx.google.com>

Hello,
   I hope everyone’s spring semester is off to a great start. I was wondering, for those who took the Graduate records exam…how long did it take for accommodations to become active with the educational testing service? So far I have been waiting nearly a month with no response other than that they needed more documentation about my blindness, which I gave them. Also, other than the study materials on the ETS website, a GRE course, and a GRE workshop, what suggestions would you have to study for this upcoming exam? Thank you 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Mon Jan 29 06:10:02 2018
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 01:10:02 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Streaming information for the 2018 National Association of
 Blind Students Winter Seminar reminder
Message-ID: <08EF3C72-40E5-4117-A823-DA4BD2BFE03C@gmail.com>

Greetings everyone:
                I hope that all of you are doing well. I also hope that many of you are planning to join us at the 2018 Washington Seminar. For those of you who are unable to attend this year the National Association of Blind Students Winter Seminar will be streamed. The stream will start on January 29th  at 9 AM Eastern time.
To access the stream you can use one of the links below:
Windows Media Player https://control.internet-radio.com:2199/tunein/dkouniaris.asx
 Real Player https://control.internet-radio.com:2199/tunein/dkouniaris.ram
QuickTime https://control.internet-radio.com:2199/tunein/dkouniaris.qtl
Web Proxy   http://198.58.98.83/stream/dkouniaris.pls?mp=/stream
The stream will be recorded as well, and the link to the recording will be posted up soon after Washington Seminar!
See you all in Washington D.C.!
Warm regards,
Dimitrios Kouniaris  

From dkouniaris at gmail.com  Mon Jan 29 18:26:06 2018
From: dkouniaris at gmail.com (Dimitrios Kouniaris)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 13:26:06 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] National Association of blind students winter seminar file
Message-ID: <02DB6B99-3C9E-4B4E-AA8B-4E7B5F79E090@gmail.com>

Hello everyone:
As promised here is the file. Unfortunately somehow the USB extension cable got unplugged in the middle of the seminar so that caused the recording software to not record the second half of the seminar but a good chunk was recorded I hope that all of you enjoy it! Hi,
Here’s a link to “NABS winter seminar.mp3” in my Dropbox:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ogloefygs1rxt18/NABS%20winter%20seminar.mp3?dl=0



Sent from my iPhone

From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Jan 30 02:53:38 2018
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 20:53:38 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] FW: The DAISY Consortium releases Ace,
 the Free EPUB  Accessibility Checking Tool
Message-ID: <auto-000098439762@mailfront1.g2host.com>


>
>The DAISY Consortium is delighted to announce the launch of Ace by 
>DAISY, the ground-breaking free and open source accessibility 
>checking tool for ebooks created in the widely adopted EPUB format.
>
>Ace by DAISY, equips the publishing industry with a tool which can 
>test their ebooks against internationally recognized standards for 
>accessibility. Designed to assist content providers at any stage in 
>their workflow, Ace by DAISY will make it easier to produce higher 
>quality, more accessible EPUB content files.
>
>The full press release can be accessed at 
><http://www.prweb.com/releases/2018/01/prweb15141305.htm>http://www.prweb.com/releases/2018/01/prweb15141305.htm
>
>For further information on Ace and how to get 
>started: 
><https://inclusivepublishing.org/Ace>https://inclusivepublishing.org/Ace
>
>Please help us to promote this major step forward in accessible publishing!
>
>    * Share the press release with your colleagues / audience
>    * Tweet about it using #AcebyDAISY
>    * Follow @Inclusivepub @accessibledaisy on Twitter
>
>With regards
>Avneesh Singh
>
>Best
>George
>
>
>George Kerscher Ph.D.
>-In our Information Age, access to information is a fundamental human right.
>Chief Innovations Officer, DAISY Consortium
><http://www.daisy.org>http://www.daisy.org
>Senior Advisor, Global Literacy, Benetech
><http://www.benetech.org>http://www.benetech.org
>President, International Digital Publishing Forum (IDPF)
><http://www.idpf.org>http://www.idpf.org
>Member of the National Museum and Library Services  Board (IMLS)
><http://www.imls.gov>http://www.imls.gov
>Chair Steering Council Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI), a 
>division of the W3C
><http://www.w3c.org/wai>http://www.w3c.org/wai
>Phone: +1 406/549-4687
>Cell:+1 406/544-2466
>Email: <mailto:kerscher at montana.com>kerscher at montana.com
>
>

From jameyanne at gmail.com  Tue Jan 30 22:53:11 2018
From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2018 17:53:11 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Equal Pay For Disabled Workers
In-Reply-To: <BF16E6F7-D849-4C83-A31B-448686CA67B2@gmail.com>
References: <5a6b55ff.95896b0a.4e660.3f23@mx.google.com>	<CAO84cXrB1JOC2iXgRjH43U6ELaLpNYzDrHR5fA_X59BymKEO-A@mail.gmail.com>	<9CBB4C99-CCCC-4F88-98C2-D77AABECCE14@gmail.com>	<E878CF44-98FE-4D7E-ADA2-62B77598C464@gmail.com>	<648C4F98-A983-4B51-80F5-F1667C6E357A@gmail.com>
	<BF16E6F7-D849-4C83-A31B-448686CA67B2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <018a01d39a1d$1b47dd60$51d79820$@gmail.com>

Rooted in Rights produced a documentary about the exemption to minimum wage
for disabled people. It's called Bottom Dollars. Unfortunately, last I
checked you can't stream it anywhere.

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna Bacchus
via NABS-L
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2018 2:19 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: rbacchus228 at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Equal Pay For Disabled Workers

While I do receive services from their location rehabilitation agency in my
state, I am expected to perform some job searching functions such as
interviewing completing applications filling out applications and searching
for jobs online on my own.

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 27, 2018, at 10:49 AM, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> And vocational rehabilitation in your state help you with your job search?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 27, 2018, at 10:37 AM, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Welcome! I am having the same experience.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jan 27, 2018, at 4:37 AM, Amanda via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>>> 
>>> I completely agree. Very disgusting! Thanks for sharing your experience.
I am also looking for work in my Field as a social worker in Montreal,
Canada and have experienced that not too many people want to take a chance
to hire me!
>>> 
>>> Amanda
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 26, 2018, at 11:46 AM, Alexandra Alfonso via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I agree that that doesn't make any sense.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 1/26/18, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Dear Students,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I hope all of you are doing well and getting ready for a
>>>>> fun-filled Washington Seminar.  I can't wait to read about it in
>>>>> the next issue of the Braille Monitor.  As many of you know, I am
>>>>> in the process of seeking employment.  I am working to complete
>>>>> the certification course to become a literary braille
>>>>> transcriber.  I began 2018 by contacting some local organizations
>>>>> here in Central Florida to see if they provide employment
>>>>> assistance for individuals with visual impairments.  Three weeks
>>>>> ago, I called Inspire Central Florida formerly known as the
>>>>> Seminole County Work Opportunities Program or Swop.  This company
>>>>> provides jobs to individuals with developmental disabilities.  In
>>>>> my discussions with the Administrative Assistant, I was outraged
>>>>> and disgusted to learn that this organization pays its workers
>>>>> fifty cents to a dollar per hour to complete a task.  This is an
>>>>> example of a company paying subminimum wages to workers with
>>>>> disabilities.  I believe that all disabled workers deserve equal
>>>>> pay for their work.  What are your thoughts on this topic?
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> NABS-L:
>>>>>
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alliefa1999%40gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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m
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From jameyanne at gmail.com  Tue Jan 30 22:59:45 2018
From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2018 17:59:45 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Equal Pay For Disabled Workers
In-Reply-To: <018a01d39a1d$1b47dd60$51d79820$@gmail.com>
References: <5a6b55ff.95896b0a.4e660.3f23@mx.google.com>	<CAO84cXrB1JOC2iXgRjH43U6ELaLpNYzDrHR5fA_X59BymKEO-A@mail.gmail.com>	<9CBB4C99-CCCC-4F88-98C2-D77AABECCE14@gmail.com>	<E878CF44-98FE-4D7E-ADA2-62B77598C464@gmail.com>	<648C4F98-A983-4B51-80F5-F1667C6E357A@gmail.com>
	<BF16E6F7-D849-4C83-A31B-448686CA67B2@gmail.com>
	<018a01d39a1d$1b47dd60$51d79820$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <018b01d39a1e$0641ac60$12c50520$@gmail.com>

Actually there are links to the full movie with audio description or without
audio description here:
http://www.rootedinrights.org/videos/employment/bottom-dollars/



-----Original Message-----
From: Jameyanne Fuller [mailto:jameyanne at gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 5:53 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: RE: [NABS-L] Equal Pay For Disabled Workers

Rooted in Rights produced a documentary about the exemption to minimum wage
for disabled people. It's called Bottom Dollars. Unfortunately, last I
checked you can't stream it anywhere.

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna Bacchus
via NABS-L
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2018 2:19 PM
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Cc: rbacchus228 at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Equal Pay For Disabled Workers

While I do receive services from their location rehabilitation agency in my
state, I am expected to perform some job searching functions such as
interviewing completing applications filling out applications and searching
for jobs online on my own.

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> On Jan 27, 2018, at 10:49 AM, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
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> And vocational rehabilitation in your state help you with your job search?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 27, 2018, at 10:37 AM, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Welcome! I am having the same experience.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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>>> On Jan 27, 2018, at 4:37 AM, Amanda via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>>> 
>>> I completely agree. Very disgusting! Thanks for sharing your experience.
I am also looking for work in my Field as a social worker in Montreal,
Canada and have experienced that not too many people want to take a chance
to hire me!
>>> 
>>> Amanda
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 26, 2018, at 11:46 AM, Alexandra Alfonso via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I agree that that doesn't make any sense.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 1/26/18, roanna bacchus via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Dear Students,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I hope all of you are doing well and getting ready for a
>>>>> fun-filled Washington Seminar.  I can't wait to read about it in
>>>>> the next issue of the Braille Monitor.  As many of you know, I am
>>>>> in the process of seeking employment.  I am working to complete
>>>>> the certification course to become a literary braille
>>>>> transcriber.  I began 2018 by contacting some local organizations
>>>>> here in Central Florida to see if they provide employment
>>>>> assistance for individuals with visual impairments.  Three weeks
>>>>> ago, I called Inspire Central Florida formerly known as the
>>>>> Seminole County Work Opportunities Program or Swop.  This company
>>>>> provides jobs to individuals with developmental disabilities.  In
>>>>> my discussions with the Administrative Assistant, I was outraged
>>>>> and disgusted to learn that this organization pays its workers
>>>>> fifty cents to a dollar per hour to complete a task.  This is an
>>>>> example of a company paying subminimum wages to workers with
>>>>> disabilities.  I believe that all disabled workers deserve equal
>>>>> pay for their work.  What are your thoughts on this topic?
>>>>> 
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