[NABS-L] taking an online math course in college

Santiago santiago.blue.hernandez at gmail.com
Mon Mar 19 18:29:12 UTC 2018 

Hi Anna, 
Those are some great suggestions! It will be even more  important for Ana, and other students in this situation to make sure if the system is going to be accessible, if they also have to use it to take exams. Some classes do require students to take exams online now. Probably because it makes things easier for professors, and because students can receive information about their grades on  exams  much faster.
Santiago




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> On Mar 19, 2018, at 11:04 AM, Anna Givens via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Ana,
> 
> There's a lot of good suggestions already! I just want to say that a lot of blind people do math online with speech. It is doable. For some it is harder to do that way unless you teach yourself to get used to it though. 
> It sounds like you already know what works best for you and since you are not planning to take a ton more math classes you may be best to stick to what works for you already. No need to learn a whole new way of doing things for just one or two classes, in my opinion. Don't be discouraged. Braille is always an option. It is the school's duty to provide you materials in ways you can best access them. If you say it is braille. Then they'll have to work that out. 
> I would recommend asking the professor for online access before the class begins. You can usually do free trials or some kind of trial access if your professor asks the company for it for accommodation reasons. If you ask the professor to do this and they say they can't or don't know how reach out to us or maybe your DSS office, because it IS doable. That way you can see how the accessibility is. This would be vital for me as I am not willing to deal with potential inaccessibility issues as a new class is starting. 
> And from there you can decide what you want in braille and how you want things done. If the professor is good you may want to explore just going in to their office hours or making appointments with them every week for them to go into the online system and tell you the problems to work out and then you can write them down and work them out with the professor there to help and then enter the answers for you. This gives you help and access to interaction in the problem solving process that you will be missing with an inaccessible interactive online system that print readers have online; and it makes it easier for the professor because they don't have to do extra work in giving you seperate assignments or looking at your answers or grading your stuff seperately, because it will all be coming from and going into the online system.
> Let me know if this makes sense and if there's anything else I or we can help with!
> 
> ❤️❤️❤️
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 19, 2018, at 11:21 AM, Ana Martinez via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> thanks all for your suggestions!
>> 
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>>> 1. Rainshine Canes Still in Existence (cjmullin225 at aol.com)
>>> 2. taking an online math course in college (Ana Martinez)
>>> 3. Re: taking an online math course in college (Keri Svendsen)
>>> 4. Re: taking an online math course in college (Kassandra Cardenas)
>>> 5. Re: taking an online math course in college (Santiago)
>>> 6. Re: taking an online math course in college (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
>>> 7. Membership Call, Sunday March 25th 8PM Eastern (Syed Rizvi)
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>>> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 22:23:08 -0400
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 21:36:45 -0500
>>> From: Ana Martinez <martinezana770 at gmail.com>
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [NABS-L] taking an online math course in college
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>>> hi all, I would like some advice. so next semester I'll be taking an algebra
>>> course. although the class is face to face, the professor does everything
>>> online. we have an online math book and all the tests and assignments are
>>> online. I can't really see how accessible the course will be because I won't
>>> have access to the online course until next semester. personally, I learn
>>> better when I have things in braille, specially math. I don't think braille
>>> is going to be an option next semester, specially because of the course
>>> format. I'm just looking for some suggestions, or what has worked for some
>>> of you in the past, as far as taking an online math course and doing algebra
>>> in the computer.
>>> thanks!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 22:39:53 -0400
>>> From: Keri Svendsen <keribcu at gmail.com>
>>> To: Ana Martinez via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] taking an online math course in college
>>> Message-ID: <35390f88-ba2f-518e-ffb5-00abb4b9ee06 at gmail.com>
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>>> You need braille for math. Again I stress you need braille. Online math
>>> is a very very bad idea as a blind person, and I highly recommend you
>>> fight for an academic acception to do your math as an independent study
>>> and braille be provided.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 3/18/2018 10:36 PM, Ana Martinez via NABS-L wrote:
>>>> hi all, I would like some advice. so next semester I'll be taking an
>>>> algebra course. although the class is face to face, the professor does
>>>> everything online. we have an online math book and all the tests and
>>>> assignments are online. I can't really see how accessible the course will
>>>> be because I won't have access to the online course until next semester.
>>>> personally, I learn better when I have things in braille, specially math.
>>>> I don't think braille is going to be an option next semester, specially
>>>> because of the course format. I'm just looking for some suggestions, or
>>>> what has worked for some of you in the past, as far as taking an online
>>>> math course and doing algebra in the computer.
>>>> thanks!
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 22:16:53 -0500
>>> From: Kassandra Cardenas <kassandrac at utexas.edu>
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>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] taking an online math course in college
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>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I was actually in this same situation a few years back--face-to-face
>>> lectures, online work. I personally didn't use any braille while taking the
>>> course, and I ended up getting an A. This obviously would have probably
>>> been a different case if it was geometry or trig, for example, but as there
>>> weren't many visual aspects to the course, I was fine.
>>> 
>>> Where I did have an issue, however, was when it came to entering my answers
>>> into the application. The program I had was good about providing image
>>> descriptions, but if you had to enter answers in things other than whole
>>> numbers or multiple-answer choice, it was inaccessible. I ended up working
>>> with a grad student so they could do this for me; I'd solve the answers
>>> beforehand, write them down, and then meet with them so they could then
>>> just plug them in.
>>> 
>>> Communicate with your professor, though. If something is inaccessible,
>>> don't try and wait a few weeks in hopes that you can figure it out; say
>>> something right away. Even if they can't do anything about it themselves
>>> and you have to go through the SSD or the developers of the program, at
>>> least they know that there is an issue. Make sure that you go to their
>>> office hours if there are concepts you don't understand. If using braille
>>> to complete your math is better for you, than by all means, try and obtain
>>> that accommodation. It is definitely doable without though, so if you won't
>>> be accommodated in that way, don't panic.
>>> 
>>> Also, please feel free to email me separately, if you need to at any
>>> point--as someone who has gone through this exact situation. It is doable,
>>> but it did get a bit stressful for me at times.
>>> 
>>> with warmth,
>>> -K Cardenas
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 9:39 PM, Keri Svendsen via NABS-L
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> You need braille for math. Again I stress you need braille. Online math
>>>> is
>>>> a very very bad idea as a blind person, and I highly recommend you fight
>>>> for an academic acception to do your math as an independent study and
>>>> braille be provided.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 3/18/2018 10:36 PM, Ana Martinez via NABS-L wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> hi all, I would like some advice. so next semester I'll be taking an
>>>>> algebra course. although the class is face to face, the professor does
>>>>> everything online. we have an online math book and all the tests and
>>>>> assignments are online. I can't really see how accessible the course
>>>>> will
>>>>> be because I won't have access to the online course until next semester.
>>>>> personally, I learn better when I have things in braille, specially math.
>>>>> I
>>>>> don't think braille is going to be an option next semester, specially
>>>>> because of the course format. I'm just looking for some suggestions, or
>>>>> what has worked for some of you in the past, as far as taking an online
>>>>> math course and doing algebra in the computer.
>>>>> thanks!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 20:35:57 -0700
>>> From: Santiago <santiago.blue.hernandez at gmail.com>
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Ana Martinez <martinezana770 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] taking an online math course in college
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>>> Hi,
>>> I think it also has to do with what works for you in terms of ease of use,
>>> not just accessibility. For instance, hearing a bunch of math equations
>>> using speech only wouldn't be the easiest thing for me, especially with
>>> complex math. I like to be able to easily get to all parts of an equation,
>>> and that's unfortunately not possible with speech, since you have to
>>> navigate line by line, word by word, character by character, etc. Maybe it
>>> will work with a braille display? I've been fortunate enough to have my math
>>> assignments in braille, because some online systems don't seem to work well
>>> with screen readers.
>>> 
>>> Santiago
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 18, 2018, at 7:36 PM, Ana Martinez via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> hi all, I would like some advice. so next semester I'll be taking an
>>>> algebra course. although the class is face to face, the professor does
>>>> everything online. we have an online math book and all the tests and
>>>> assignments are online. I can't really see how accessible the course will
>>>> be because I won't have access to the online course until next semester.
>>>> personally, I learn better when I have things in braille, specially math.
>>>> I don't think braille is going to be an option next semester, specially
>>>> because of the course format. I'm just looking for some suggestions, or
>>>> what has worked for some of you in the past, as far as taking an online
>>>> math course and doing algebra in the computer.
>>>> thanks!
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 20:59:52 -0700
>>> From: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] taking an online math course in college
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>>> Hi Ana,
>>> I took math last year. I never had the online experience, but I do have some
>>> knowledge of using Braille only some of the time.
>>> My Disability Services ordered the math textbook before the course started:
>>> I'm not sure how far ahead of time. However, I would have the Disability
>>> Services read me the tests, as there was no transcriber and I do not like
>>> math in electronic format.
>>> So if you prefer Braille as I do, maybe you could try to see if they can
>>> order the textbook ahead of time, even if they don't have good transcribing
>>> facilities.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Vejas Vasiliauskas
>>> Secretary and Treasurer of California Association of Blind Students
>>> Phone: 3102653949
>>> Email: alpineimagination at gmail.com
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 18, 2018, at 19:36, Ana Martinez via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> hi all, I would like some advice. so next semester I'll be taking an
>>>> algebra course. although the class is face to face, the professor does
>>>> everything online. we have an online math book and all the tests and
>>>> assignments are online. I can't really see how accessible the course will
>>>> be because I won't have access to the online course until next semester.
>>>> personally, I learn better when I have things in braille, specially math.
>>>> I don't think braille is going to be an option next semester, specially
>>>> because of the course format. I'm just looking for some suggestions, or
>>>> what has worked for some of you in the past, as far as taking an online
>>>> math course and doing algebra in the computer.
>>>> thanks!
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Mar 19, 2018, at 1:36 AM, Syed Rizvi via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
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>>>> of whom are national leaders in our organization. They will be sharing
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>>>> These soft skills are vital in your success, whether it's for a job
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>>>> The call in number is ?(712) 770-5197 and the access code is 265669.
>>>> Have a wonderful week!
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