From nabs.president at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 00:03:07 2018 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (NABS President) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:03:07 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Join our membership call now - 7127705197,,265669 Message-ID: <418969E0-D27B-4E20-AEA6-39D1D6BA9A67@gmail.com> Kathryn Webster President, National Association of Blind Students (203) 273-8463 Sent from my iPhone From matthewhgip at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 14:44:26 2018 From: matthewhgip at gmail.com (Matthew Gip) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2018 07:44:26 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Reminder: Join Outreach Committee Call Tonight at 9 pm eastern Message-ID: <6720C77E-A62E-4CE2-A98A-B39B347DA6EA@gmail.com> Hello Students! Please join your friends from NABS tonight at 9 pm eastern on our monthly outreach committee call! We will be discussing how to improve our monthly NABS Notes, Meet the Blind Month for October, and many other fun and exciting activities to build membership. Call: (712) 770-5197 Access code: 265669 Thanks, Matt Matthew Gip President | California Association of Blind Students A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind of California Co-Chair | National Association of Blind Students Outreach Committee Phone: (559) 375-2068 Email: matthewhgip at gmail.com From carne23m at mtholyoke.edu Mon Oct 1 18:51:15 2018 From: carne23m at mtholyoke.edu (Melissa Carney) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2018 14:51:15 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] September NABS Notes Message-ID: <00a901d459b7$bbbd0040$333700c0$@mtholyoke.edu> Hey NABSters, September flew by! I hope the first month of your classes went smoothly. It's just about that time of year for football games, apple picking, and everything pumpkin. Make sure that you create a healthy balance between academics and free time so that you have the chance to enjoy the beautiful fall weather and fun activities. Feel free to read about what NABS has been up to during the month of September. Please find the link to our online version of the NABS notes below, followed by the notes themselves. A copy of the NABS notes is also attached to this email for your convenience. We continuously strive to update and improve the format and content of our monthly bulletin, so your suggestions and recommendations are much appreciated. What resources would you like us to share? Are there specific topics that you would like us to cover? What general feedback do you have? Don't hesitate to let us know. Happy fall! http://nabslink.org/content/nabs-notes-september-2018 NABS Notes: September 2018 In this issue, you will find: * President's Note * New Resource - NABS Phone Number * Follow NABS on Instagram * Training Center Information * 2019 AAPD Summer Internship Program * Legislative Alert * NABS Committee Updates * September Blog Post * NABS Facebook Group President's Note It is finally the beautiful season of autumn! With pumpkin flavors everywhere, fresh smells in the air, and nearly mid-way through semesters, the NABS Board is busy traveling across the country to mentor, grow, and develop our youth. Each state convention, our leaders are rejuvenated to pour love and dedication into the hearts and minds of new and current leaders. During October, it is Meet the Blind Month; and though NABS is a national organization, everyday someone is meeting a blind student - that's us! It is our civic duty to take an extra moment out of each of days to educate someone on our cane, guide dog, piece of technology, or ability to succeed.just like everyone else! Educating society is exhausting, but misconceptions diminish when we take that step toward enlightening others based on our personal experiences. This month, I challenge you to be thoughtful and intentional in responding when a sighted person offers assistance. We all face tiring actions from the world around us that make us want to absolutely scream. When this happens to me, I take a step back and ponder - what if I am the first blind person they are meeting in their entire life? I recognize, then, that I may be setting the stage for future interactions with blind people, and thus paving a path for them. Be that teacher, that role model, and that patient soul. At the end of the day, it will benefit each of us! I challenge you to raise the expectations of at least five people throughout the month of October. As always, reach out to us; we want to hear from you, even if it is just a hello! New Resource - NABS Phone Number Our leadership wants to provide an outlet for students to voice concerns, seek advice, and learn about resources you may otherwise not be familiar with. With that, we launched our very own NABS phone number, where a NABS leader is on call to speak with blind students across the country. Please call 410-417-8360. Follow NABS on Instagram NABS has an Insta account now, so follow us @NABSLink! Training Center Information Please find recent news and information regarding our three fantastic NFB training centers. BLIND, Inc. https://www.blindinc.org/ https://www.blindinc.org/blog/ Colorado center for the Blind https://cocenter.org/ https://cocenter.org/blog/ Louisiana Center for the Blind http://www.louisianacenter.org/ http://www.louisianacenter.org/lcb-lagniappe/ 2019 AAPD Summer Internship Program Deadline to Apply: November 5, 2018 by 5pm Eastern Time The American Association of People with Disabilities (AAPD) is a convener, connector, and catalyst for change, increasing the political and economic power of people with disabilities. Since 2002, the AAPD Summer Internship Program has developed the next generation of leaders with disabilities and offered host employers access to a talented, diverse workforce. Each summer, AAPD places college students, graduate students, law students, and recent graduates with all types of disabilities in summer internships with Congressional offices, federal agencies, non-profits, and for-profit organizations in the Washington, DC area. Each intern is matched with a mentor who will assist them with their career goals. AAPD provides the interns with a living stipend, transportation to and from Washington, DC, and fully-accessible housing. At the beginning of the summer, interns participate in a 1-week orientation session to learn about AAPD and the disability rights movement, meet the other interns, and participate in a variety of engaging workshops and events. As part of the AAPD network, interns also receive opportunities to attend events on Capitol Hill, conferences, community events, briefings, and more. Any undergraduate student, law student, graduate student, or recent graduate from a US college or university who self-identifies as an individual with any type of disability is invited to apply. Apply today: https://www.aapd.com/summer-internship-program/ Legislative Alert Please find a legislative update from John Pare, Executive Director of Advocacy and Policy at the National Federation of Blind Headquarters, copied below: The Marrakesh Treaty Implementation Act passed; and is on President Trump's desk for signature. The Access Technology Affordability Act (H.R. 1734). We are up to 84 cosponsors in the House and 12 in the Senate. Special thanks to the National Federation of the Blind of Illinois. Fourteen House members from Illinois and Senator Tammy Duckworth have cosponsored this legislation. You can contact your member of Congress by calling the Capitol Switchboard and asking for the office in question. The number is 202-224-3121. If you email your representative, please copy me at JPare at nfb.org . When you call or email, you might say something like the following: "Hello, my name is [your name] and I am a constituent of [your representative]. I live in [city, state]. I am calling to urge [your representative] to cosponsor H.R. 1734, the Access Technology Affordability Act. This bill would increase the availability of Access Technology thereby increasing educational and employment opportunities for all blind Americans. The bill does this by creating a tax credit for the purchase of access technology. The National Federation of the Blind has analyzed the cost impact and the bill is either cost neutral or will save the government money. I urge [representative] to cosponsor the bill. Thanks." NABS Committee Updates Get involved! * Legislative Advocacy Committee When: third Sunday of the month | 8pm eastern Chair: Kenia Flores (kenia.flores at furman.edu ) The NABS Legislative Advocacy Committee is working on content for our NABS Student Advocate Program. Each student advocate will complete modules about IEP's, parental rights, self-advocacy, and higher education. We are also beginning to plan for our workshop during Washington Seminar. Washington Seminar will be taking place January 28-31, 2019, so please begin making your plans to attend. Additionally, our committee is working on the NABS Now Podcast to educate our members about policy and legislation. If you are interested in any of these initiatives, please contact Committee Chair Kenia Flores. * Fundraising Committee When: Second and fourth Sunday of the month | 8pm eastern Chair: Kathryn Webster (nabs.president at gmail.com ) You cannot say fundraising without saying fun! We are gearing up for Giving Tuesday, putting together a small business funding packet, exploring swag and merchandise for our cherished members, and ramping up for a Text-to-Give campaign! Come join us, even just once, to lend a hand or share an idea! * Outreach Committee When: first Monday of the month | 9pm eastern Chair: Janae Burgmeier (Janae.burgmeier at gmail.com ) Web Master: Dustin Cather (cather.dustin at gmail.com ) The outreach committee has been working to strengthen their existing projects and add in a few new ones as well. We have different themes each month, which we will be encompassing into each project. September's theme is unique employment and October's will be meet the blind month. The outreach committee prepares social media posts, blog entries, NABS notes content and we will also be releasing a podcast called NABS Now, as well as YouTube posts that will also relate to each month's themes. To give your suggestions or to get involved, please contact the outreach chair, Janae Burgmeier! * Special Projects When: Meetings as Needed Chairs: Syed Rizvi, Tarik Williams, and Mausam Mehta This unique committee is working on launching our nationwide mentor program with our national office, getting feedback from our members through our online survey, and working toward greater recruitment and retention. Reach out to help! September Blog Post http://nabslink.org/content/september-blog-post-working-audio-engineer-when- you-are-blind >From the Editor - Angie Castro is a resident of Wisconsin; and an active member of the Wisconsin affiliate. Angie's passion for music, sound, and audio editing proves true through her eagerness to get her foot in the door, regardless of what it takes. If you know Angie, you immediately think of her kind heart, loving personality, and loyal soul, but many don't know about her hidden talent. Please join us in reading more about Angie's unique skill set; and how she is making it happen through her successes. I have been in the Audio Production Field for about a year now. But, first let me introduce myself. My name is Angie Castro and I am currently living in Madison, Wisconsin. I am an aspiring Audio Engineer who happens to be blind. I say aspiring because, I don't have a whole lot of experience in the field yet, to really call myself an audio engineer. Well at least, those are my thoughts. I will be sharing some of my experiences I've had while getting my feet wet in the field. I have been told that I have a great advantage to work in this field because my hearing must be great. While yes, I do have an advantage with working in this field because I use my hearing more than my vision, there are challenges that also come with it. Whether you are producing audio or mixing audio, you rely on your ears. But, for some things it can be a challenge because sometimes vision is needed, in the practical sense. Fortunately, I learned to adapt and adjust as needed. I have worked in the live sound aspect of audio engineering. While it is a great and ideal place for people to get their feet, wet and get started in this field, it can be hectic and stressful at times. One of my professional experiences was when I worked as a stage hand at the theatre at a university in Madison. Prior to my start date, I spoke to my boss about my blindness, what I was able to do, and what I maybe was less likely to be successful doing. One adjustment I made was memorizing the faders and knobs on the board. I would also have a session set up a certain way so it was easiest for me to access the channels where the microphones were set up. I helped my coworkers with setting up and striking down afterwards. Some of my roles included: setting up microphones and cables, putting microphones away, and wrapping cables when we were done with shows. Powering off the board and the amps were really intriguing to me, letting me get more hands-on exposure to audio engineering. There were times where I would have to have someone help me when I had difficulty with something. My coworkers were always mindful of telling me if there was something on the ground such as a cable or chair or what have you. Audio engineering is not just about producing or making music. It's more than that. It's making sure a song or a performance sounds great. It's about ensuring the levels are not clipping or distorting and it all sounds clean. Another thing that you need to have is patience and communication skills to talk and work with an artist or performer. Ask them what they need and if they need help in any way. That is a big thing about this field. Whether you are working at a studio or a venue, you must be able to work with several different types of personalities. While I still have a lot to learn and more to experience, I can truly say, I love this field! It may have its challenges at times, but I don't let blindness stop me from doing what I love. NABS Facebook Group Join our Facebook group by visiting: https://m.facebook.com/groups/173482726798026 The National Association of blind Students A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind Nfbstudents.org (410) 417-8360 Melissa Carney Secretary | National Association of Blind Students A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind (860) 391-9319 Carne23m at mtholyoke.edu | www.nabslink.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: NABS Notes - September 2018.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 31415 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mauraloberg at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 22:58:55 2018 From: mauraloberg at gmail.com (Maura Loberg) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 17:58:55 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Reminder: Join Outreach Committee Call Tonight at 9 pm eastern Message-ID: <5bb2a6b1.1c69fb81.ce31d.1b3a@mx.google.com> I think I'll be there but I might be late. On Oct 1, 2018 9:44 AM, Matthew Gip via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello Students! > > Please join your friends from NABS tonight at 9 pm eastern on our monthly outreach committee call! We will be discussing how to improve our monthly NABS Notes, Meet the Blind Month for October, and many other fun and exciting activities to build membership. > > Call: (712) 770-5197 > Access code: 265669 > > Thanks, > Matt > > Matthew Gip > President | California Association of Blind Students > A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind of California > Co-Chair | National Association of Blind Students Outreach Committee > Phone: (559) 375-2068 > Email: matthewhgip at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmail.com From carlymih at comcast.net Tue Oct 2 04:00:56 2018 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 21:00:56 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Accessible Japanese Textbooks In-Reply-To: <2DB0C09C-9747-424B-AAFC-CD674C311C49@gmail.com> References: <2DB0C09C-9747-424B-AAFC-CD674C311C49@gmail.com> Message-ID: Evening, Allana, In high school, I studied nihongo (Japanese language) and was so moved to persu an understanding of reading nihongo tenji (Japanese braille code) and ended up getting some blind outfit there in Japan to give this little book written in braille (tenji) to some friends whom have connections there. Due to some changes in my physiology, I do not actually read braille anymore but know how to form the caracters using the familiar dot patterns. I would love to write a description of a, i, u, e, o, the syllable chart for writing hiragana and katakana. Essentially, the kanjis(Japanese caracters) are expressed in syllables called hiragana and katakana. This all sounds really confusing if you know nothing. Please call sometime and we might discuss it? Car: 408-209-3239 . 11:31 AM 4/29/2018, Ellana Crew via NABS-L wrote: >Greetings NABSters! > >Has anyone had experience with using textbooks when learning >Japanese? I am looking for an accessible textbook for beginners >learning Japanese to use in conjunction with my lessons, and do not >know where to start. Can anyone recommend one you have used that is accessible? > >Thank you! > >Ellana Crew, President >Maryland Association of Blind Students >443-758-7211 >nfbmd.org/students >facebook.com/mdabs.federation >@MDABS_NFB > >The Maryland Association of Blind Students knows that blindness is >not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we >raise the expectations of blind students because low expectations >create obstacles between blind students and our dreams. You can live >the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. >_______________________________________________ >NABS-L mailing list >NABS-L at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From carlymih at comcast.net Tue Oct 2 12:32:04 2018 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2018 05:32:04 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Question About My Professional signature In-Reply-To: <07e501d44f4d$fe180490$fa480db0$@gmail.com> References: <5ba0ecc1.1c69fb81.6ee83.7743@mx.google.com> <9AFD7E57-1DAD-4A6F-B3D3-C2DA014DAC31@gmail.com> <07e501d44f4d$fe180490$fa480db0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Good morning, Roanna, Yes. my folks wrote out my name and committed it to a stamp which can be applied to things. This way, they can access my signature at will. It's a good thing to try. Carneed At 05:49 AM 9/18/2018, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: >Does it work on the machines in the grocery store? Because that is a good >idea/ > >-----Original Message----- >From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Taylor Arndt >via NABS-L >Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 8:44 AM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Cc: Taylor Arndt >Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Question About My Professional signature > >I have stamp > >Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 18, 2018, at 8:17 AM, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L >wrote: > > > > Dear Students, > > > > As many of you may know, I am participating in the Independent Living >Skills program at the Rehabilitation Center For The Blind And Visually in >Daytona, Beach, Florida. One of the things that my parents want me to learn >while I am here is how to write my name in a professional manner. My >Personal Management instructor and I are working on this on a daily basis. >However, she suggested that I get a stamp with my professional signature on >it. What are your thoughts on this? > > > > Roanna Bacchus > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >NABS-L: > > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/taylorarndt99%40gmail.co >m > >_______________________________________________ >NABS-L mailing list >NABS-L at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >NABS-L: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >.com > > >_______________________________________________ >NABS-L mailing list >NABS-L at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From codeofdusk at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 17:28:05 2018 From: codeofdusk at gmail.com (Bill Dengler) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2018 17:28:05 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Improving Braille Display reading speed? Message-ID: Hello, I’ve been totally blind since birth and started learning Braille at a young age (around 5), but have always read very slowly (around 50 words per minute). I found this article which discusses various techniques for improving reading efficiency: https://nfb.org/Images/nfb/Publications/bm/bm03/bm0305/bm030508.htm I’ve recently started reading with two hands, but don’t think I’m executing the first technique quite as they describe. In any case, it only seems to apply to paper documents where multiple lines are available at once. What’s the equivalent of this technique when using a refreshable Braille Display? Thanks, Bill From misokwak12 at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 18:12:08 2018 From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2018 14:12:08 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Improving Braille Display reading speed? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9D165BE1-0D19-43D8-BB3D-37A9D75B019A@gmail.com> Hi Bill, I don't know what specific braille display you use. I have used both BrailleNote Apex and BrailleSense Polaris and I find that those displays have scroll down buttons at a convenient location. For instance, when I was using Apex, I would set the most right thumb key to be one line scroll down, so as my right hand reached the end of the line I would press the most right thumb key and quickly move my left hand th to the beginning of the line. Similarly, on Polaris, I move my both left and right hand quickly and press the scroll down button with my index finger as soon as I reach the end of the line, and then move my left hand simultaneously. I don't know my word count per minute but I am a fast braille reader both on paper and on display. I credit this to just many many years of reading braille, and exclusively relying on braille for academic work for quite a time. Miso Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 4, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Bill Dengler via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello, > I’ve been totally blind since birth and started learning Braille at a young age (around 5), but have always read very slowly (around 50 words per minute). I found this article which discusses various techniques for improving reading efficiency: https://nfb.org/Images/nfb/Publications/bm/bm03/bm0305/bm030508.htm > I’ve recently started reading with two hands, but don’t think I’m executing the first technique quite as they describe. In any case, it only seems to apply to paper documents where multiple lines are available at once. > What’s the equivalent of this technique when using a refreshable Braille Display? > > Thanks, > Bill > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/misokwak12%40gmail.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 20:32:27 2018 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 16:32:27 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Improving Braille Display reading speed? Message-ID: <5bb678e0.1c69fb81.fcb52.0561@mx.google.com> Hi Bill thanks for your message. I use the BrailleNote Touch from Humanware as my braille display. I have also been using braille for my entire life. On the BrailleNote Touch you can increase the speed of the display. On Oct 4, 2018 1:28 PM, Bill Dengler via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello, > I’ve been totally blind since birth and started learning Braille at a young age (around 5), but have always read very slowly (around 50 words per minute). I found this article which discusses various techniques for improving reading efficiency: https://nfb.org/Images/nfb/Publications/bm/bm03/bm0305/bm030508.htm > I’ve recently started reading with two hands, but don’t think I’m executing the first technique quite as they describe. In any case, it only seems to apply to paper documents where multiple lines are available at once. > What’s the equivalent of this technique when using a refreshable Braille Display? > > Thanks, > Bill > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com From desai1shikha at gmail.com Fri Oct 5 05:10:11 2018 From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2018 01:10:11 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Washington seminar roommate Message-ID: <2B6470B2-AD50-47F7-AB32-4C9A963F1F3C@gmail.com> Dear Federation family, I understand that January is four months away but i am looking for 3 to 4 room mates for Washington Seminar since the room cost is high. I always have a hard time finding room mates because not many people from Georgia attend Washington seminar. I love attending this powerful event every year. Washington seminar is January 28 to January 31. I am open to checking in on Sunday January 27 or Monday January 28. I also don't mind checking out on either Wednesday January 30 or Thursday January 31. Feel free to reach out to me. 678-641-9906 Shikha Desai Bachelor in Social Work Georgia State University 18 Master in social Work Georgia State University Specialize Community Partnership 19 From b.schulz at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 5 05:46:52 2018 From: b.schulz at sbcglobal.net (Bryan Schulz) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2018 00:46:52 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Washington seminar roommate In-Reply-To: <2B6470B2-AD50-47F7-AB32-4C9A963F1F3C@gmail.com> References: <2B6470B2-AD50-47F7-AB32-4C9A963F1F3C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000601d45c6e$d207c6f0$761754d0$@sbcglobal.net> Hi, Nfb claims to be so independent and anything is possible, so why has nobody ever suggested using the holiday inn down the subway line in virginia where the hotel expense is substantially cheaper per night? Bryan -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Shikha via NABS-L Sent: Friday, October 5, 2018 12:10 AM To: National Association of Blind Students Cc: Shikha Subject: [NABS-L] Washington seminar roommate Dear Federation family, I understand that January is four months away but i am looking for 3 to 4 room mates for Washington Seminar since the room cost is high. I always have a hard time finding room mates because not many people from Georgia attend Washington seminar. I love attending this powerful event every year. Washington seminar is January 28 to January 31. I am open to checking in on Sunday January 27 or Monday January 28. I also don't mind checking out on either Wednesday January 30 or Thursday January 31. Feel free to reach out to me. 678-641-9906 Shikha Desai Bachelor in Social Work Georgia State University 18 Master in social Work Georgia State University Specialize Community Partnership 19 _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/b.schulz%40sbcglobal.net --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com From dandrews at visi.com Sat Oct 6 05:38:13 2018 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2018 00:38:13 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Fwd: ADV: NLS BARD Support: Accessing Braille Books and Magazines on BARD Message-ID: > > >Accessing >Braille Books and Magazines on BARD > > > >Dear List Members, > > > >Many of you have joined us in the five years >since we wrote anything about braille on BARD, >so we figured it might be a good time to revisit >and refresh what we said back then. > > > >Searching for Braille Materials on BARD > >If your user profile is set to display both >audio and braille titles (the default), you will >find links to both audio and braille titles on >every page of BARD search results. These links >are always at heading 1, so you can easily find >the book format you want. Audiobooks will be >displayed first. However, near the top of the >page, just above the list of audio titles, you >will find a “Go to Braille” link which will let >you jump over all of the audio titles and get right to the braille titles. > > > >Occasionally audiobook users will accidentally >downloaded braille books instead of audio and >find that the book will not play in the NLS >digital talking-book machine DTBM). To avoid >this mistake, check the book number prefix >before downloading. All narrated audiobooks have >the letters DB (which stand for Digital Book) >before the book number. All braille materials >have BR (for braille) preceding the number. >There may be an additional letter after the DB >or BR denoting that the book is part of a special collection. > > > >If you don’t have any interest in seeing audio >titles, you can set your profile so that only >braille titles are displayed. Here’s how: > > >After logging into BARD, press Enter on the >“Update Account Settings” link, located about >two-thirds of the way down the BARD main page >under the heading Additional Links. > > >Find the Display Results combo box. This is the >second form field on the Update Account Settings >screen, and it's set to “Both” by default. > > >Press Alt-Down Arrow to open the combo box, >arrow down to “Braille Only,” and press Enter. > > >Tab to the “Update” button, and press Enter. > > > >Downloading and Reading Braille Materials > >Braille books and magazines are in zip files. >Each zip file contains all the volumes of that >title. So to read a braille book or magazine, >download the title you want, unzip it to a >folder, open the volume you want, and start >reading. If you want to read your book on a >device with a braille display such as a >notetaker, copy the unzipped folder and move it >to your notetaker and use its braille reader to >enjoy your book. Yet another option is to use a >notetaker that can log directly onto BARD. >Download the braille title you want, and open >the book or magazine into the default braille reader. > > > >On mobile devices that run iOS, you can use BARD >Mobile to read braille books and magazines using >a Bluetooth braille display. BARD Mobile for >Android does not support braille. As with >audiobooks, BARD Mobile unzips your braille >files automatically, so you don't need to worry >about doing this. Even though you may be reading >6-dot braille from BARD, you should set your >braille display to 8-dot braille. Also, >single-letter QuickNav should be turned off so >you can use the BARD Mobile navigation commands. >If it isn’t, you can turn it off by typing dot 7 >with the Q-chord command. For more information >about reading braille on BARD Mobile, please see >Chapter 7 of the BARD Mobile User’s Guide, >located on your BARD Mobile bookshelf under the >Help category. If you’d like to read it in >braille, but don’t have any prior experience >with reading braille in BARD Mobile, you might >want to start out accessing the guide on the >web: >https://nlsbard.loc.gov/apidocs/BARDMobile.userguide.iOS.1.0.html > >Alternatively, you can access the How to Read a >Braille Book instructions on YouTube: >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cYkEbkgRwQ&t=33s > > >Braille books and magazines are the only >materials on BARD that you can read directly >with your computer, provided you have a >refreshable braille display attached. Each >braille file is a text file that uses various >symbols and punctuation marks to produce braille characters. > >In order to access braille books and magazines, >a device must have a braille display. Please >note that the DTBM does not support a braille >display and, therefore, cannot be used to read braille books and magazines. > >Even if you don’t have a braille display, you >can make use of braille books and magazines on >BARD. Each braille file is the electronic >counterpart to a hard copy braille volume. If >you have access to a braille embosser, you can braille your own personal copy. > >We hope this is enough to get you started. Of >course, if you have questions, please don’t >hesitate to email us at this address: > >NLSDownload at loc.gov > >Happy downloading and reading! > > > >The BARD Support Team > >Send comments, questions, or concerns to >NLSDownload at loc.gov >Like NLS on >Facebook >or subscribe to the >NLS >Music Notes Blog > >This service is provided by the Library of >Congress at >www.LOC.gov. >Unsubscribe or change your >subscriber >preferences >For questions or problems with subscriptions, >contact >subscriberhelp.govdelivery.com > >Follow us: >Blog >| >Facebook >| >Flickr >| >Instagram >| >Pinterest| >Twitter >| >YouTube > > > >This email was sent to dandrews at visi.com using >GovDelivery Communications Cloud on behalf of: >Library of Congress · 101 Independence Ave, SE · >Washington, DC 20540 · 202-707-5000 From carlymih at comcast.net Sat Oct 6 03:28:36 2018 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2018 20:28:36 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Question About My Professional signature References: <5ba0ecc1.1c69fb81.6ee83.7743@mx.google.com> <9AFD7E57-1DAD-4A6F-B3D3-C2DA014DAC31@gmail.com> <07e501d44f4d$fe180490$fa480db0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Ronah, No, it doesn't. For that, though, I always heard you just have to scrawl down something and it can't be forced. mark..At 05:32 AM 10/2/2018, you wrote: >Good morning, Roanna, > >Yes. my folks wrote out my name and committed it to a stamp which >can be applied to things. This way, they can access my signature at >will. It's a good thing to try. >Carneed At 05:49 AM 9/18/2018, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: >>Does it work on the machines in the grocery store? Because that is a good >>idea/ >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Taylor Arndt >>via NABS-L >>Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 8:44 AM >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>Cc: Taylor Arndt >>Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Question About My Professional signature >> >>I have stamp >> >>Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Sep 18, 2018, at 8:17 AM, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L >>wrote: >> > >> > Dear Students, >> > >> > As many of you may know, I am participating in the Independent Living >>Skills program at the Rehabilitation Center For The Blind And Visually in >>Daytona, Beach, Florida. One of the things that my parents want me to learn >>while I am here is how to write my name in a professional manner. My >>Personal Management instructor and I are working on this on a daily basis. >>However, she suggested that I get a stamp with my professional signature on >>it. What are your thoughts on this? >> > >> > Roanna Bacchus >> > _______________________________________________ >> > NABS-L mailing list >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>NABS-L: >> > >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/taylorarndt99%40gmail.co >>m >> >>_______________________________________________ >>NABS-L mailing list >>NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>NABS-L: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>.com >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>NABS-L mailing list >>NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > >_______________________________________________ >NABS-L mailing list >NABS-L at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From a.vias at outlook.com Sun Oct 7 03:19:00 2018 From: a.vias at outlook.com (Armando Vias) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2018 03:19:00 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Receiving My Mail In Braille Message-ID: Hey. So, yesterday, I signed up for the Hilton Honors Program. They asked for my mailing address. I wondered if they can snail-mail me information in Braille so my family doesn't have to read it to me. I called them a few minutes ago and they said that they send out promotions via email. I was wondering if there is a way that I can receive all of my postal mail in Braille. Should I contact every company that I sign up with to accommodate me? Sent from my iPhone From nmpbrat at aol.com Sun Oct 7 04:59:45 2018 From: nmpbrat at aol.com (nmpbrat at aol.com) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2018 00:59:45 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Needing info quickly from blind teachers and other professionals Message-ID: <1664ce54429-1ec1-47dc@webjas-vab174.srv.aolmail.net> Hi all, I am passing along a message of importance, trying to get it out to the masses (these happen to be a couple of the lists I'm on) Even if this does not directly apply to you, maybe you know someone that it does. I just saw this message posted from a friend. Please pass on. The info is needed very quickly...like in the next couple days!! Thanks! Nicole Message: I’m hoping to talk to blind teachers, preferably secondary school teachers, about their experiences in terms of requesting and receiving accommodations, as well as any challenges they have encountered in their profession. I am also interested in talking to any blind professionals about their experience getting large print as an accommodation from their employer. I’m on a bit of a deadline, so any response by next week would be very welcome. Contact Abby Graber: AGraber at browngold dot com . (email address spelled out to keep the spambots away) From alpineimagination at gmail.com Sun Oct 7 06:05:51 2018 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2018 23:05:51 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Receiving My Mail In Braille In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <90316436-538A-4BE5-9CDB-78F83128636C@gmail.com> Hey Armando, In theory, your idea sounds great, and would be the ideal option. In practice, though, unfortunately you won't be able to receive all mail in Braille. The problem is that most companies aren't equipped with the resources needed (such as an embosser). However, you might be able to avoid having your family read all your mail with KNFB Reader if you have it. Alternatively, you could use a service such as AIRA if you have it, or Be My Eyes which is free. Someone would still be reading your mail, but it would be someone you won't know, who is trained to help you. I hope this helps, Vejas Sent from my iPhone > On 6 Oct 2018, at 20:19, Armando Vias via NABS-L wrote: > > Hey. > So, yesterday, I signed up for the Hilton Honors Program. They asked for my mailing address. I wondered if they can snail-mail me information in Braille so my family doesn't have to read it to me. I called them a few minutes ago and they said that they send out promotions via email. I was wondering if there is a way that I can receive all of my postal mail in Braille. Should I contact every company that I sign up with to accommodate me? > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Sun Oct 7 15:03:08 2018 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus) Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2018 11:03:08 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Receiving My Mail In Braille Message-ID: <5bba202e.1c69fb81.4cbca.ecc7@mx.google.com> Hi Armando thanks for your message. I received my credit card holder from Bank of America in braille in the mail. Most companies will send you information via email. The problem is that most companies do not recognize the importance of braille. On Oct 6, 2018 11:19 PM, Armando Vias via NABS-L wrote: > > Hey. > So, yesterday, I signed up for the Hilton Honors Program. They asked for my mailing address. I wondered if they can snail-mail me information in Braille so my family doesn't have to read it to me. I called them a few minutes ago and they said that they send out promotions via email. I was wondering if there is a way that I can receive all of my postal mail in Braille. Should I contact every company that I sign up with to accommodate me? > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com From aliherky at gmail.com Sun Oct 7 18:08:07 2018 From: aliherky at gmail.com (Ali) Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2018 13:08:07 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Needing info quickly from blind teachers and otherprofessionals Message-ID: <5bba4b98.1c69fb81.3ecc7.f1b5@mx.google.com> Nicole, I=20believe=20there=20is=20at=20least=20one=20listserv=20for=20blind=20teac= hers. Ali =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20nmpbrat---=20via=20NABS-L=20 References: Message-ID: If you are able to read emails (which doesn't seem out of the question based on this mode of communication) then why not choose the simpler option for both you and them? On 10/7/18, Armando Vias via NABS-L wrote: > Hey. > So, yesterday, I signed up for the Hilton Honors Program. They asked for my > mailing address. I wondered if they can snail-mail me information in Braille > so my family doesn't have to read it to me. I called them a few minutes ago > and they said that they send out promotions via email. I was wondering if > there is a way that I can receive all of my postal mail in Braille. Should I > contact every company that I sign up with to accommodate me? > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/inscriptioelectronicaaustralia%40gmail.com > From ahbeeorton at yahoo.com Mon Oct 8 01:40:36 2018 From: ahbeeorton at yahoo.com (Ahbee Orton) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2018 20:40:36 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] ACT score Message-ID: <9099E056-4049-449E-8C11-603044A39FC6@yahoo.com> Hi All, Has anyone that you know of gotten a 26 on the brailled version of the ACT or higher? If you got higher than a 26, what was your score? I am trying to raise my score and get lots of scholarships. I also wanted to see how people in the blind community did on the ACT. Blessings, Ahbee “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.” 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV From singingemmanuelle at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 01:57:52 2018 From: singingemmanuelle at gmail.com (Emmanuelle Lo) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2018 21:57:52 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] ACT score In-Reply-To: <9099E056-4049-449E-8C11-603044A39FC6@yahoo.com> References: <9099E056-4049-449E-8C11-603044A39FC6@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Ahbee, I got a 30 on the ACT, but that was because I scored really high on the reading and writing sections. I didn't do as well on the math and I didn't read all the science graphs correctly, so I got lower scores on those. The best advice I can give is to remember that most of the ACT is a reading comprehension test. Half the battle is just understanding what the question is asking. Good luck, Emmie > On Oct 7, 2018, at 9:40 PM, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi All, > > Has anyone that you know of gotten a 26 on the brailled version of the ACT or higher? If you got higher than a 26, what was your score? I am trying to raise my score and get lots of scholarships. I also wanted to see how people in the blind community did on the ACT. > > Blessings, > Ahbee > > “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.” > 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/singingemmanuelle%40gmail.com From misokwak12 at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 02:04:13 2018 From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2018 22:04:13 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] ACT score In-Reply-To: References: <9099E056-4049-449E-8C11-603044A39FC6@yahoo.com> Message-ID: I took the ACT in 2012, in Braille, and scored 32. I can't remember the exact breakdown of the scores. I think my highest sections were reading and science... I am honestly not sure how I pulled off this score. I studied using a prep book that was in Braille, which I ordered from the APH. I do not remember the exact title, and no longer have the book, as I have donated the book to a younger student afterward. If reading and writing are sections you need to work on, you may be able to find accessible study materials online. Best of luck! Miso Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 7, 2018, at 9:57 PM, Emmanuelle Lo via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Ahbee, > > I got a 30 on the ACT, but that was because I scored really high on the reading and writing sections. I didn't do as well on the math and I didn't read all the science graphs correctly, so I got lower scores on those. The best advice I can give is to remember that most of the ACT is a reading comprehension test. Half the battle is just understanding what the question is asking. > > Good luck, > Emmie > >> On Oct 7, 2018, at 9:40 PM, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> Has anyone that you know of gotten a 26 on the brailled version of the ACT or higher? If you got higher than a 26, what was your score? I am trying to raise my score and get lots of scholarships. I also wanted to see how people in the blind community did on the ACT. >> >> Blessings, >> Ahbee >> >> “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.” >> 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/singingemmanuelle%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/misokwak12%40gmail.com From mausam.mehta.nfb at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 04:11:08 2018 From: mausam.mehta.nfb at gmail.com (Mausam Mehta) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 00:11:08 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] ACT score In-Reply-To: References: <9099E056-4049-449E-8C11-603044A39FC6@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45D7CC4E-BF56-4B8A-953C-69C283DFA6F1@gmail.com> Hi Ahbee, I got a 27 on the braille version of the ACT. What got me was the science portion. Even with the mandatory triple time, I took an inordinately long time to read through the graphs. I agree with Emmie; it is definitely a test of comprehension and patience. You really have to blast through lots of questions, while keeping your mind sharp and looking out for tricks. I actually did much better on the SAT than the ACT. I think it really depends on how you test. The ACT has a broader focus, while the SAT really hones in on conceptual understanding. At The end of the day, it’s a personal preference. I used an electronic Princeton review prep book to study for the ACT. I’m not sure how much it actually helped, but that is neither here nor there at this point. The best advice I can give you is to do your best. Don’t spend too much time on one question, and try to think objectively, because standardized tests tend to primarily test you on how well you can take tests. Good luck, and feel free to reach out if you need any help with scholarship applications. Take a deep breath. This is a busy and exciting time. Best, Mausam Mehta Board member | National Association of blind students A proud division of the National Federation of the blind (540) 466-6033 mausam.mehta.nfb at gmail.com | www.nabslink.org > On Oct 7, 2018, at 10:04 PM, Miso Kwak via NABS-L wrote: > > I took the ACT in 2012, in Braille, and scored 32. I can't remember the exact breakdown of the scores. I think my highest sections were reading and science... > I am honestly not sure how I pulled off this score. I studied using a prep book that was in Braille, which I ordered from the APH. > I do not remember the exact title, and no longer have the book, as I have donated the book to a younger student afterward. > If reading and writing are sections you need to work on, you may be able to find accessible study materials online. > Best of luck! > Miso > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 7, 2018, at 9:57 PM, Emmanuelle Lo via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hi Ahbee, >> >> I got a 30 on the ACT, but that was because I scored really high on the reading and writing sections. I didn't do as well on the math and I didn't read all the science graphs correctly, so I got lower scores on those. The best advice I can give is to remember that most of the ACT is a reading comprehension test. Half the battle is just understanding what the question is asking. >> >> Good luck, >> Emmie >> >>> On Oct 7, 2018, at 9:40 PM, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Has anyone that you know of gotten a 26 on the brailled version of the ACT or higher? If you got higher than a 26, what was your score? I am trying to raise my score and get lots of scholarships. I also wanted to see how people in the blind community did on the ACT. >>> >>> Blessings, >>> Ahbee >>> >>> “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.” >>> 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/singingemmanuelle%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/misokwak12%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mausam.mehta.nfb%40gmail.com From nabs.president at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 09:50:46 2018 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (President, NABS | Kathryn Webster) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 05:50:46 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] ACT score In-Reply-To: <45D7CC4E-BF56-4B8A-953C-69C283DFA6F1@gmail.com> References: <9099E056-4049-449E-8C11-603044A39FC6@yahoo.com> <45D7CC4E-BF56-4B8A-953C-69C283DFA6F1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <007201d45eec$63545130$29fcf390$@gmail.com> Ahbee, Standardized tests, like Mausam said, are literally testing yoru ability to test. Everyone seems to have a love/hate relationship with them. I did solid on my ACT; and am happy to strategize best practices with you. The biggest piece of advice is to pace yourself; and know what sections take you longest or what types of questions take you longest. Thanks, Kathryn Kathryn C. Webster President | National Association of Blind Students A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind (203) 273-8463 Nabs.president at gmail.com | www.nabslink.org -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mausam Mehta via NABS-L Sent: Monday, October 8, 2018 12:11 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Mausam Mehta Subject: Re: [NABS-L] ACT score Hi Ahbee, I got a 27 on the braille version of the ACT. What got me was the science portion. Even with the mandatory triple time, I took an inordinately long time to read through the graphs. I agree with Emmie; it is definitely a test of comprehension and patience. You really have to blast through lots of questions, while keeping your mind sharp and looking out for tricks. I actually did much better on the SAT than the ACT. I think it really depends on how you test. The ACT has a broader focus, while the SAT really hones in on conceptual understanding. At The end of the day, it’s a personal preference. I used an electronic Princeton review prep book to study for the ACT. I’m not sure how much it actually helped, but that is neither here nor there at this point. The best advice I can give you is to do your best. Don’t spend too much time on one question, and try to think objectively, because standardized tests tend to primarily test you on how well you can take tests. Good luck, and feel free to reach out if you need any help with scholarship applications. Take a deep breath. This is a busy and exciting time. Best, Mausam Mehta Board member | National Association of blind students A proud division of the National Federation of the blind (540) 466-6033 mausam.mehta.nfb at gmail.com | www.nabslink.org > On Oct 7, 2018, at 10:04 PM, Miso Kwak via NABS-L wrote: > > I took the ACT in 2012, in Braille, and scored 32. I can't remember the exact breakdown of the scores. I think my highest sections were reading and science... > I am honestly not sure how I pulled off this score. I studied using a prep book that was in Braille, which I ordered from the APH. > I do not remember the exact title, and no longer have the book, as I have donated the book to a younger student afterward. > If reading and writing are sections you need to work on, you may be able to find accessible study materials online. > Best of luck! > Miso > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 7, 2018, at 9:57 PM, Emmanuelle Lo via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hi Ahbee, >> >> I got a 30 on the ACT, but that was because I scored really high on the reading and writing sections. I didn't do as well on the math and I didn't read all the science graphs correctly, so I got lower scores on those. The best advice I can give is to remember that most of the ACT is a reading comprehension test. Half the battle is just understanding what the question is asking. >> >> Good luck, >> Emmie >> >>> On Oct 7, 2018, at 9:40 PM, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Has anyone that you know of gotten a 26 on the brailled version of the ACT or higher? If you got higher than a 26, what was your score? I am trying to raise my score and get lots of scholarships. I also wanted to see how people in the blind community did on the ACT. >>> >>> Blessings, >>> Ahbee >>> >>> “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.” >>> 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/singingemmanuell >>> e%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/misokwak12%40gmai >> l.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mausam.mehta.nfb%4 > 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com From keribcu at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 12:36:01 2018 From: keribcu at gmail.com (Keri Svendsen) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 08:36:01 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] ACT score In-Reply-To: References: <9099E056-4049-449E-8C11-603044A39FC6@yahoo.com> Message-ID: For those of you that can score that high on the ACT more power to you. I made an 18 and totally took that. I hate standardized tests, and tests in general. I am not a good testtaker. I did poor on the GRE but still hoping to make it in... On 10/7/2018 9:57 PM, Emmanuelle Lo via NABS-L wrote: > Hi Ahbee, > > I got a 30 on the ACT, but that was because I scored really high on the reading and writing sections. I didn't do as well on the math and I didn't read all the science graphs correctly, so I got lower scores on those. The best advice I can give is to remember that most of the ACT is a reading comprehension test. Half the battle is just understanding what the question is asking. > > Good luck, > Emmie > >> On Oct 7, 2018, at 9:40 PM, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> Has anyone that you know of gotten a 26 on the brailled version of the ACT or higher? If you got higher than a 26, what was your score? I am trying to raise my score and get lots of scholarships. I also wanted to see how people in the blind community did on the ACT. >> >> Blessings, >> Ahbee >> >> “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.” >> 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/singingemmanuelle%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/keribcu%40gmail.com -- Keri Svendsen From misokwak12 at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 13:09:30 2018 From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 09:09:30 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] ACT score In-Reply-To: References: <9099E056-4049-449E-8C11-603044A39FC6@yahoo.com> Message-ID: I would like to point out that there is a growing number of universities that do not require the applicants to submit standardized test scores. More people are recognizing that standardized tests tend to be biased against students from disadvantaged backgrounds, and the test results often do not predict how students will do in higher education. You can probably find a list of schools that do not require test scores by searching it up on Google. I also would like to echo that if the ACT is not working out well for you, you should give the SAT a try, and vice versa. I was doing poorly on the SAT but did better on the ACT. Finally, as others have already pointed out, I hope the test scores will not discourage anyone struggling too much. The test score is just one aspect among many other factors in the application process. Put more time on getting a good GPA and writing your personal statements. I personally have experienced this as my GRE scores were not stellar, but my grad school application process ended up being fruitful. All the best, Miso On 10/8/18, Keri Svendsen via NABS-L wrote: > For those of you that can score that high on the ACT more power to you. > I made an 18 and totally took that. I hate standardized tests, and tests > in general. I am not a good testtaker. I did poor on the GRE but still > hoping to make it in... > > > On 10/7/2018 9:57 PM, Emmanuelle Lo via NABS-L wrote: >> Hi Ahbee, >> >> I got a 30 on the ACT, but that was because I scored really high on the >> reading and writing sections. I didn't do as well on the math and I didn't >> read all the science graphs correctly, so I got lower scores on those. The >> best advice I can give is to remember that most of the ACT is a reading >> comprehension test. Half the battle is just understanding what the >> question is asking. >> >> Good luck, >> Emmie >> >>> On Oct 7, 2018, at 9:40 PM, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Has anyone that you know of gotten a 26 on the brailled version of the >>> ACT or higher? If you got higher than a 26, what was your score? I am >>> trying to raise my score and get lots of scholarships. I also wanted to >>> see how people in the blind community did on the ACT. >>> >>> Blessings, >>> Ahbee >>> >>> “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it >>> is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is >>> not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight >>> in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, >>> always hopes, always perseveres.” >>> 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/singingemmanuelle%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/keribcu%40gmail.com > > -- > Keri Svendsen > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/misokwak12%40gmail.com > From mauraloberg at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 13:13:43 2018 From: mauraloberg at gmail.com (Maura Loberg) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2018 08:13:43 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] ACT score Message-ID: <5bbb58a4.1c69fb81.dc93b.b47e@mx.google.com> I got that exact same score on my first time. I'm taking it again in December. I got screwed over with the math and science section, because I particularly have trouble with them. I was redemed by English, reading and writing. Just make sure you take breaks in between sections since you probably had trilple time unless I'm mistaken. I spread it out over 5 days and had a water bottle in the room. On Oct 7, 2018 8:40 PM, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi All, > >   Has anyone that you know of gotten a 26 on the brailled version of the ACT or higher? If you got higher than a 26, what was your score? I am trying to raise my score and get lots of scholarships. I also wanted to see how people in the blind community did on the ACT. > > Blessings, > Ahbee > > “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.” > 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmail.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 14:14:56 2018 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2018 10:14:56 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] ACT score Message-ID: <5bbb6663.1c69fb81.20d14.ef50@mx.google.com> Hi Abee I got a twelve on the Math portion of the Act. I passed the reading portion of the test on the first try. I took the math portion of the test two times and I was one point away from passing it the second time.  On Oct 7, 2018 9:40 PM, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi All, > >   Has anyone that you know of gotten a 26 on the brailled version of the ACT or higher? If you got higher than a 26, what was your score? I am trying to raise my score and get lots of scholarships. I also wanted to see how people in the blind community did on the ACT. > > Blessings, > Ahbee > > “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.” > 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com From mauraloberg at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 17:12:32 2018 From: mauraloberg at gmail.com (Maura Loberg) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2018 12:12:32 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] ACT score Message-ID: <5bbb9002.1c69fb81.f0d26.3ddb@mx.google.com> Where I'm from, you cannot retake certain parts of the test by themselves. You have to take the entire thing again. On Oct 8, 2018 9:14 AM, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Abee I got a twelve on the Math portion of the Act. I passed the reading portion of the test on the first try. I took the math portion of the test two times and I was one point away from passing it the second time.  > > On Oct 7, 2018 9:40 PM, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > >   Has anyone that you know of gotten a 26 on the brailled version of the ACT or higher? If you got higher than a 26, what was your score? I am trying to raise my score and get lots of scholarships. I also wanted to see how people in the blind community did on the ACT. > > > > Blessings, > > Ahbee > > > > “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.” > > 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmail.com From santiago.blue.hernandez at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 17:18:44 2018 From: santiago.blue.hernandez at gmail.com (Santiago H) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 10:18:44 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] ACT score In-Reply-To: <5bbb9002.1c69fb81.f0d26.3ddb@mx.google.com> References: <5bbb9002.1c69fb81.f0d26.3ddb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <605B742A-F403-4CFF-934F-288DF7D1AAC3@gmail.com> I thought everyone had to retake the entire test again? I took the SAT, and when it comes to that, you do have to take the entire test again, not just one portion. I've heard similar things about the ACT, but different schools might have different requirements and or accommodations for it. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 8, 2018, at 10:12 AM, Maura Loberg via NABS-L wrote: > > Where I'm from, you cannot retake certain parts of the test by themselves. You have to take the entire thing again. > >> On Oct 8, 2018 9:14 AM, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hi Abee I got a twelve on the Math portion of the Act. I passed the reading portion of the test on the first try. I took the math portion of the test two times and I was one point away from passing it the second time. >> >>> On Oct 7, 2018 9:40 PM, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Has anyone that you know of gotten a 26 on the brailled version of the ACT or higher? If you got higher than a 26, what was your score? I am trying to raise my score and get lots of scholarships. I also wanted to see how people in the blind community did on the ACT. >>> >>> Blessings, >>> Ahbee >>> >>> “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.” >>> 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/santiago.blue.hernandez%40gmail.com From jldail13 at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 17:20:57 2018 From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 13:20:57 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] ACT score In-Reply-To: <5bbb6663.1c69fb81.20d14.ef50@mx.google.com> References: <5bbb6663.1c69fb81.20d14.ef50@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <35197DCC-DB74-4FA8-94C2-480011FAF764@gmail.com> Hi, I never got to take the official test, nor did I ever learn how I did. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 8, 2018, at 10:14 AM, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Abee I got a twelve on the Math portion of the Act. I passed the reading portion of the test on the first try. I took the math portion of the test two times and I was one point away from passing it the second time. > >> On Oct 7, 2018 9:40 PM, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> Has anyone that you know of gotten a 26 on the brailled version of the ACT or higher? If you got higher than a 26, what was your score? I am trying to raise my score and get lots of scholarships. I also wanted to see how people in the blind community did on the ACT. >> >> Blessings, >> Ahbee >> >> “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.” >> 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jldail13%40gmail.com From a.vias at outlook.com Mon Oct 8 17:54:26 2018 From: a.vias at outlook.com (Armando Vias) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 17:54:26 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Professional Email Address Providers, Help Message-ID: Hey. So, I am currently using Outlook.com for my personal email. I currently have an email address that is my first initial and my last name, in which I am currently using, is a.vias at outlook.com. Since the Outlook.com website changed a little bit, in which JAWS now doesn't read the messages at school, I am getting to the point in which I have to switch email providers. Yeah, I use my personal email at my school. For example, JAWITHS now says, "Delete," when using the arrow keys. I use to use Gmail, but the emails won't get downloaded for 15 minutes to my iPhone when using the native Mail app? Any suggestions on what provider should I use, and should I only use my first and last name, like armando.vias at gmail.com, (in which it is taken). I don't know if it is professional to use your last and first name, like vias.armando at gmail.com. I just don't want to use an email address that has lots of numbers and stuff. I looked at AOL, but I feel like it is very old. Sent from my iPhone From zdreicer at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 19:03:02 2018 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 13:03:02 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] Professional Email Address Providers, Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <80070E2F-1E70-4B44-ADB6-903DA28B8F90@gmail.com> Hey there, my email address has been my first initial and last name since I was young. I don’t see what the problem is with waiting 15 minutes, though I have always been used to that. And yes, your idea of first name last name, or first initial last name, is definitely a good one. “Live the life you want” -National Federation of the Blind Sent from my iPhone XS Using VoiceOver > On Oct 8, 2018, at 11:54, Armando Vias via NABS-L wrote: > > Hey. So, I am currently using Outlook.com for my personal email. I currently have an email address that is my first initial and my last name, in which I am currently using, is a.vias at outlook.com. Since the Outlook.com website changed a little bit, in which JAWS now doesn't read the messages at school, I am getting to the point in which I have to switch email providers. Yeah, I use my personal email at my school. For example, JAWITHS now says, "Delete," when using the arrow keys. I use to use Gmail, but the emails won't get downloaded for 15 minutes to my iPhone when using the native Mail app? Any suggestions on what provider should I use, and should I only use my first and last name, like armando.vias at gmail.com, (in which it is taken). I don't know if it is professional to use your last and first name, like vias.armando at gmail.com. I just don't want to use an email address that has lots of numbers and stuff. I looked at AOL, but I feel like it is very old. > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com From alpineimagination at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 19:23:54 2018 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 12:23:54 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Professional Email Address Providers, Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Armando, That sounds like a good email address. As long as it isn't offensive and is not your date of birth, you can pretty much pick whatever you want. I've never had to wait 15 minutes for email to show up on my Iphone though. Normally, emails download really quickly, unless the reception where I am is bad. When you get to college, you will probably have an email address assocciated with your college, like I'm @lion.lmu.edu. Vejas Sent from my iPhone > On 8 Oct 2018, at 10:54, Armando Vias via NABS-L wrote: > > Hey. So, I am currently using Outlook.com for my personal email. I currently have an email address that is my first initial and my last name, in which I am currently using, is a.vias at outlook.com. Since the Outlook.com website changed a little bit, in which JAWS now doesn't read the messages at school, I am getting to the point in which I have to switch email providers. Yeah, I use my personal email at my school. For example, JAWITHS now says, "Delete," when using the arrow keys. I use to use Gmail, but the emails won't get downloaded for 15 minutes to my iPhone when using the native Mail app? Any suggestions on what provider should I use, and should I only use my first and last name, like armando.vias at gmail.com, (in which it is taken). I don't know if it is professional to use your last and first name, like vias.armando at gmail.com. I just don't want to use an email address that has lots of numbers and stuff. I looked at AOL, but I feel like it is very old. > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com From armandovias at aol.com Mon Oct 8 20:17:52 2018 From: armandovias at aol.com (Armando Vias) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 16:17:52 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Testing new Email Address Message-ID: <5C7C036C-520B-4F88-AD17-E8A9CFB66FD9@aol.com> Sent from my iPhone From nabs.president at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 21:14:47 2018 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (President, NABS | Kathryn Webster) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 17:14:47 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Testing new Email Address In-Reply-To: <5C7C036C-520B-4F88-AD17-E8A9CFB66FD9@aol.com> References: <5C7C036C-520B-4F88-AD17-E8A9CFB66FD9@aol.com> Message-ID: <002101d45f4b$f19189e0$d4b49da0$@gmail.com> Received!!! 😊 Thanks, Kathryn Kathryn C. Webster President | National Association of Blind Students A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind (203) 273-8463 Nabs.president at gmail.com | www.nabslink.org -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Armando Vias via NABS-L Sent: Monday, October 8, 2018 4:18 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: Armando Vias Subject: [NABS-L] Testing new Email Address Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com From martinezana770 at gmail.com Wed Oct 10 17:27:45 2018 From: martinezana770 at gmail.com (Ana Martinez) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 12:27:45 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] making posters? Message-ID: Hi all, hope everyone is doing well. I have a question; so for a school club meeting we are working on making posters for upcoming events. as a blind person what are some ways I could help out with poster making? thanks From alpineimagination at gmail.com Wed Oct 10 18:31:56 2018 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 11:31:56 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] making posters? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <162C2109-211E-40F6-8F07-04A2A6EB0432@gmail.com> Hi Ana, Does the poster involve writing of any kind? I recently had a project for my dorm govgnment. We had to make a banner, write lyrics to a song and film it. There were about 11 of us total so each person had a different task. I worked on the song lyrics. Vejas Sent from my iPhone > On 10 Oct 2018, at 10:27, Ana Martinez via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi all, hope everyone is doing well. I have a question; so for a > school club meeting we are working on making posters for upcoming > events. as a blind person what are some ways I could help out with > poster making? thanks > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com From cather_dustin at yahoo.com Wed Oct 10 19:45:55 2018 From: cather_dustin at yahoo.com (Dustin Cather) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 19:45:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [NABS-L] REMINDER! NABS Fundraising Call this Sunday! References: <944811956.8236554.1539200755379.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <944811956.8236554.1539200755379@mail.yahoo.com> Hello all! I would like to welcome you to join us for the National Association of Blind Students monthly fundraising call, which will be held on Sunday October 14th at 9 PM Eastern. Join us as we discuss our efforts in funding all the wonderful activities that NABS supports. We would love to have you join us on this call and provide any insights you deem fit into our efforts. To call in call the NABS line at.Phone Number: 712 770 5197Access Code: 265669 We hope to see on the call on Sunday, October 14th at 9 PM Eastern! Best,Dustin CatherNABS Fundraising Committee Co-Chair From matthewhgip at gmail.com Wed Oct 10 20:12:37 2018 From: matthewhgip at gmail.com (Matthew Gip) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 13:12:37 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] California State Convention Message-ID: <2A16E0F4-90FB-4694-B3BB-2B59942E6F01@gmail.com> Greetings, The National Federation of the Blind of California warmly invites you to our state convention, which will be held on October 25 to 28, at the Los Angeles Airport Marriott. This year, our convention will kick off with a meet and greet reception on Thursday, Friday exhibit hall, folllwed by federation Family Feud, karaoke, and dance. Saturday will be our California student division meeting during breakfast, general session, and Sunday is banquet with an auction. The link to register can be found at http://ulwxastpyh.formstack.com/forms/2018_nfbc_state_convention_preregistration_form Hotel reservations will only be available until Friday, October 12. To reserve a room, please call the Marriott Reservations number at (800) 228-9290, and mention that you will be attending the NFB of California convention. Alternatively, you can reserve here: https://www.marriott.com/meeting-event-hotels/group-corporate-travel/groupCorp.mi?resLinkData=National%20Federation%20Of%20The%20Blind%5Elaxap%60nfbnfba%60129%60USD%60true%604%6010/25/18%6010/28/18%6010/12/18&app=resvlink&stop_mobi=yes Respectfully, Matthew Gip President | California Association of Blind Students A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind of California Co-Chair | National Association of Blind Students Outreach Committee Phone: (559) 375-2068 Email: matthewhgip at gmail.com From aliherky at gmail.com Thu Oct 11 18:25:33 2018 From: aliherky at gmail.com (Ali) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 13:25:33 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] making posters? Message-ID: <5bbf95b5.1c69fb81.8a040.34a6@mx.google.com> You could do some of the writing and then some one could glue it to the poster. Ali ----- Original Message ----- From: Ana Martinez via NABS-L Hey, friends! I am currently in a research methods and statistics psychology course, and the program that we use for data entry is SPSS. This is used department-wide so changing to a different program isn’t an option. However, I am having issues with accessibility. My advisor and I have figured out how to enlarge font sizes for variable view, data view, and syntax, but there isn’t an option to enlarge the menu buttons. Is there anything else we can do to make the program more accessible? Should I try using JAWS? Thanks, Johna Wright Vice President, National Federation of the Blind Community Service Division Social Media Chair, National Association of Blind Students From santiago.blue.hernandez at gmail.com Thu Oct 11 18:49:56 2018 From: santiago.blue.hernandez at gmail.com (Santiago H) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 11:49:56 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Question about SPSS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3A22BD19-1268-4D01-B11A-5A70277837A8@gmail.com> You could try using JAWS to see if it’s accessible if screen magnification software such as ZoomText on Windows or Zoom on the Mac aren’t good enough solutions. ZoomText seems to work well with JAWS, so you can have both running at the same time without any issues. > On Oct 11, 2018, at 11:33 AM, Johna Wright via NABS-L wrote: > > Hey, friends! > > I am currently in a research methods and statistics psychology course, and the program that we use for data entry is SPSS. This is used department-wide so changing to a different program isn’t an option. However, I am having issues with accessibility. My advisor and I have figured out how to enlarge font sizes for variable view, data view, and syntax, but there isn’t an option to enlarge the menu buttons. Is there anything else we can do to make the program more accessible? Should I try using JAWS? > > Thanks, > > Johna Wright > Vice President, National Federation of the Blind Community Service Division > Social Media Chair, National Association of Blind Students > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/santiago.blue.hernandez%40gmail.com From matthewhgip at gmail.com Thu Oct 11 21:24:21 2018 From: matthewhgip at gmail.com (Matthew Gip) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 14:24:21 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] California State Convention (Correction) Message-ID: Greetings, The National Federation of the Blind of California warmly invites you to create connections and build bridges together at our state convention, which will be held on October 25 to 28, at the Los Angeles Airport Marriott. This year, our convention will kick off with a meet and greet reception on Thursday, Friday exhibit hall, Board of Directors meeting, folllwed by federation Family Feud, karaoke, and dance. Saturday will be our California student division meeting during breakfast, general session, and banquet with an auction. Here is the link to the agenda: https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vScNYZdgRxvxY7dNEZwdbDSimJh2tqX90tGXV2nLd2SP6OfY05vhswbhRdnd9jX1smZHuujWp9dsJzX/pub The link to register can be found at http://ulwxastpyh.formstack.com/forms/2018_nfbc_state_convention_preregistration_form Hotel reservations will only be available until Friday, October 12. To reserve a room, please call the Marriott Reservations number at (800) 228-9290, and mention that you will be attending the NFB of California convention. Alternatively, you can reserve here: https://www.marriott.com/meeting-event-hotels/group-corporate-travel/groupCorp.mi?resLinkData=National%20Federation%20Of%20The%20Blind%5Elaxap%60nfbnfba%60129%60USD%60true%604%6010/25/18%6010/28/18%6010/12/18&app=resvlink&stop_mobi=yes Respectfully, Matthew Gip President | California Association of Blind Students A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind of California Co-Chair | National Association of Blind Students Outreach Committee Phone: (559) 375-2068 Email: matthewhgip at gmail.com From mauraloberg at gmail.com Mon Oct 15 00:14:36 2018 From: mauraloberg at gmail.com (Maura Loberg) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2018 19:14:36 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] legislative commitee call Message-ID: <5bc3dbf5.1c69fb81.cebbf.2fb8@mx.google.com> Hey all! Do you want to help us push forward our legislative efforts as blind students? If so, come join us on our monthly call, which takes place next Sunday, October 21st at 8 PM eastern. Dial 712-770-5197 with the access code 265669.  From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Mon Oct 15 00:19:35 2018 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2018 20:19:35 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] legislative commitee call Message-ID: <5bc3dd19.1c69fb81.9a87f.d8cd@mx.google.com> I hope the call goes well. I can't wait to hear about the legislation that is passed as a result of your work. On Oct 14, 2018 8:14 PM, Maura Loberg via NABS-L wrote: > > Hey all! Do you want to help us push forward our legislative efforts as blind students? If so, come join us on our monthly call, which takes place next Sunday, October 21st at 8 PM eastern. Dial 712-770-5197 with the access code 265669.  > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com Mon Oct 15 01:14:34 2018 From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesmaaly123 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2018 21:14:34 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Training program questions. Message-ID: <7855D44F-E809-4AA3-AD29-CDDB2215A55D@gmail.com> Good day students, I am hoping that you could give me some advice here. I am looking for students that have graduated a training program and were happy with their achievement, and I’m also looking for those students who have not. If you are someone like this or know someone who is, can you please write me off list? Thank you, Nesma Sent from my iPad From dsykora29 at gmail.com Mon Oct 15 02:49:49 2018 From: dsykora29 at gmail.com (Danielle Sykora) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2018 22:49:49 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] [nabs-l] reliable transportation for employment and Skype interviews Message-ID: <7AC57C61-C5D1-4716-AB9A-BF9052878806@gmail.com> Hi everyone, I am wondering if anyone has worked part time as a student, gotten a temporary entry level job soon after graduation, or something similar while living in a rural area with limited transportation? Has anyone had any experience with hiring a private driver? I currently live literally in the middle of nowhere and there isn’t any public transportation, para transit, or reliable ride share services that come within several miles. I of course plan on moving to somewhere that is at least a bit closer to civilization once I either get a permanent full-time job or get excepted to grad school; however, in the mean time it would be greatly beneficial to get a part-time job or internship. I just can’t figure out a reliable way to get there. Also, for those who have had interviews over Skype or similar methods of communication, how and when did you disclose your disability? Obviously in an in person interview, the person conducting the interview would probably figure out you were visually impaired right away due to the presence of your cane or guide dog. But Skype is of course totally different. Danielle Sent from my iPhone From michael.ausbun at gmail.com Mon Oct 15 03:33:35 2018 From: michael.ausbun at gmail.com (michael.ausbun at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2018 20:33:35 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Training program questions. In-Reply-To: <7855D44F-E809-4AA3-AD29-CDDB2215A55D@gmail.com> References: <7855D44F-E809-4AA3-AD29-CDDB2215A55D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <005201d46437$daf93110$90eb9330$@gmail.com> Hi nesma, When you say training program, are you referring to comprehensive orientation and adjustment training, vocational training, part-time O&A training, or another type of training? If a full-time O&A, are you referring to a Federation facility like LCB, CCB, or blind Inc., structured discovery like Nebraska New Mexico or Hawaii, state run facility like Utah bism or Virginia, or a private O&A center? I just want to make sure I understand your request before writing you off-list. Best, Michael Ausbun -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of nesmaaly123--- via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 6:15 PM To: National Association Of Blind Students Cc: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com Subject: [NABS-L] Training program questions. Good day students, I am hoping that you could give me some advice here. I am looking for students that have graduated a training program and were happy with their achievement, and I’m also looking for those students who have not. If you are someone like this or know someone who is, can you please write me off list? Thank you, Nesma Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/michael.ausbun%40gmail.com From emitchell927 at icloud.com Mon Oct 15 13:03:13 2018 From: emitchell927 at icloud.com (Emma Mitchell) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 09:03:13 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] legislative commitee call In-Reply-To: <5bc3dd19.1c69fb81.9a87f.d8cd@mx.google.com> References: <5bc3dd19.1c69fb81.9a87f.d8cd@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I will be there Emma Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 14, 2018, at 8:19 PM, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L wrote: > > I hope the call goes well. I can't wait to hear about the legislation that is passed as a result of your work. > >> On Oct 14, 2018 8:14 PM, Maura Loberg via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hey all! Do you want to help us push forward our legislative efforts as blind students? If so, come join us on our monthly call, which takes place next Sunday, October 21st at 8 PM eastern. Dial 712-770-5197 with the access code 265669. >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40icloud.com From cape.amanda at gmail.com Mon Oct 15 15:22:58 2018 From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (Amanda Cape) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 11:22:58 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] [nabs-l] reliable transportation for employment and Skype interviews In-Reply-To: <7AC57C61-C5D1-4716-AB9A-BF9052878806@gmail.com> References: <7AC57C61-C5D1-4716-AB9A-BF9052878806@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Danielle, I live in Montreal, Canada and have used a private driver to get to work. I have always let the interviewer know ahead of time that I am blind to avoid any surprises and then I can try to address their concerns etc. I hope this helps. Feel free if you have any other questions. Amanda On 10/14/18, Danielle Sykora via NABS-L wrote: > Hi everyone, > I am wondering if anyone has worked part time as a student, gotten a > temporary entry level job soon after graduation, or something similar while > living in a rural area with limited transportation? Has anyone had any > experience with hiring a private driver? I currently live literally in the > middle of nowhere and there isn’t any public transportation, para transit, > or reliable ride share services that come within several miles. I of course > plan on moving to somewhere that is at least a bit closer to civilization > once I either get a permanent full-time job or get excepted to grad school; > however, in the mean time it would be greatly beneficial to get a part-time > job or internship. I just can’t figure out a reliable way to get there. > > Also, for those who have had interviews over Skype or similar methods of > communication, how and when did you disclose your disability? Obviously in > an in person interview, the person conducting the interview would probably > figure out you were visually impaired right away due to the presence of your > cane or guide dog. But Skype is of course totally different. > > Danielle > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com > -- Amanda From keribcu at gmail.com Mon Oct 15 15:25:41 2018 From: keribcu at gmail.com (Keri Svendsen) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 11:25:41 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] [nabs-l] reliable transportation for employment and Skype interviews In-Reply-To: References: <7AC57C61-C5D1-4716-AB9A-BF9052878806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <744437b0-3cbb-cfa3-d087-e079131e6833@gmail.com> Danielle, Is there somewhere you could safely walk to? I work part time on my campus this semester, and I can walk it. I know about living in a rural area, it's a big challenge. Good luck. On 10/15/2018 11:22 AM, Amanda Cape via NABS-L wrote: > Hi Danielle, > I live in Montreal, Canada and have used a private driver to get to > work. I have always let the interviewer know ahead of time that I am > blind to avoid any surprises and then I can try to address their > concerns etc. > I hope this helps. Feel free if you have any other questions. > Amanda > > On 10/14/18, Danielle Sykora via NABS-L wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> I am wondering if anyone has worked part time as a student, gotten a >> temporary entry level job soon after graduation, or something similar while >> living in a rural area with limited transportation? Has anyone had any >> experience with hiring a private driver? I currently live literally in the >> middle of nowhere and there isn’t any public transportation, para transit, >> or reliable ride share services that come within several miles. I of course >> plan on moving to somewhere that is at least a bit closer to civilization >> once I either get a permanent full-time job or get excepted to grad school; >> however, in the mean time it would be greatly beneficial to get a part-time >> job or internship. I just can’t figure out a reliable way to get there. >> >> Also, for those who have had interviews over Skype or similar methods of >> communication, how and when did you disclose your disability? Obviously in >> an in person interview, the person conducting the interview would probably >> figure out you were visually impaired right away due to the presence of your >> cane or guide dog. But Skype is of course totally different. >> >> Danielle >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com >> > -- Keri Svendsen From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Mon Oct 15 16:01:15 2018 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 12:01:15 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] [nabs-l] reliable transportation for employment and Skype interviews In-Reply-To: <744437b0-3cbb-cfa3-d087-e079131e6833@gmail.com> References: <7AC57C61-C5D1-4716-AB9A-BF9052878806@gmail.com> <744437b0-3cbb-cfa3-d087-e079131e6833@gmail.com> Message-ID: <010601d464a0$4de2ef50$e9a8cdf0$@gmail.com> Without knowing your career plans, mostly when you are going to grad school, it is a little difficult to give great advice, but I'd look on glassdoor.com for jobs from home. There are other work at home sites. Moving at some point is probably your overall best bet. JustinOriginal Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Keri Svendsen via NABS-L Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 11:26 AM To: Amanda Cape via NABS-L Cc: Keri Svendsen Subject: Re: [NABS-L] [nabs-l] reliable transportation for employment and Skype interviews Danielle, Is there somewhere you could safely walk to? I work part time on my campus this semester, and I can walk it. I know about living in a rural area, it's a big challenge. Good luck. On 10/15/2018 11:22 AM, Amanda Cape via NABS-L wrote: > Hi Danielle, > I live in Montreal, Canada and have used a private driver to get to > work. I have always let the interviewer know ahead of time that I am > blind to avoid any surprises and then I can try to address their > concerns etc. > I hope this helps. Feel free if you have any other questions. > Amanda > > On 10/14/18, Danielle Sykora via NABS-L wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> I am wondering if anyone has worked part time as a student, gotten a >> temporary entry level job soon after graduation, or something similar >> while living in a rural area with limited transportation? Has anyone >> had any experience with hiring a private driver? I currently live >> literally in the middle of nowhere and there isn’t any public >> transportation, para transit, or reliable ride share services that >> come within several miles. I of course plan on moving to somewhere >> that is at least a bit closer to civilization once I either get a >> permanent full-time job or get excepted to grad school; however, in >> the mean time it would be greatly beneficial to get a part-time job or internship. I just can’t figure out a reliable way to get there. >> >> Also, for those who have had interviews over Skype or similar methods >> of communication, how and when did you disclose your disability? >> Obviously in an in person interview, the person conducting the >> interview would probably figure out you were visually impaired right >> away due to the presence of your cane or guide dog. But Skype is of course totally different. >> >> Danielle >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gma >> il.com >> > -- Keri Svendsen _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com Mon Oct 15 17:31:48 2018 From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesmaaly123 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 13:31:48 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Training program questions. In-Reply-To: <005201d46437$daf93110$90eb9330$@gmail.com> References: <7855D44F-E809-4AA3-AD29-CDDB2215A55D@gmail.com> <005201d46437$daf93110$90eb9330$@gmail.com> Message-ID: When I say training programs, I am mean core The training centers. BISM, Louisiana, Juanita Inc. and Colorado. From mauraloberg at gmail.com Sat Oct 20 18:35:47 2018 From: mauraloberg at gmail.com (Maura Loberg) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 13:35:47 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Reminder! Legislative Committee call tomorrow night! Message-ID: Hello everybody! Have you been looking for an excuse to put down the textbooks? Well come and join us tomorrow night for the monthly NABS legislative call. Call 712-770-5197 with the access code 265669. Starting at 8 PM eastern, we'll be discussing ways to push forward various legislative efforts regarding blind students nationwide. Come join the fun and bring your ideas! Hope to see everyone there! Sent from my iPhone From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Sun Oct 21 14:38:27 2018 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 10:38:27 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Resoving Conflicts In A Dormitory Setting Message-ID: <5bcc8f67.1c69fb81.8600b.d246@mx.google.com> Dear Students, As many of you know, I am participating in the Independent Living Skills program at the Rehabilitation Center For The Blind and Visually Impaired in Daytona, Beach, Florida. Every now and then conflicts do arise among the students. Right now I am in a conflict with one of the ladies in the program. She feels that I did not talk to her for a couple of days. I am going to be nice and respectful to her anyway in spite of this situation. For those of you who have attended the Nfb training centers, how did you handle conflicts that arose while you were there? Roanna Bacchus  From mkvnfb94 at gmail.com Sun Oct 21 21:25:46 2018 From: mkvnfb94 at gmail.com (Mariya Vasileva) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 17:25:46 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Resoving Conflicts In A Dormitory Setting In-Reply-To: <5bcc8f67.1c69fb81.8600b.d246@mx.google.com> References: <5bcc8f67.1c69fb81.8600b.d246@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <139EAFC2-D73C-4A59-9017-40AFB8F5E46D@gmail.com> Hi, whenever I had issues with any of my roommates at BLIND Inc, I tried to reason with them towards a resolution. If that did not work, I went to the center staff including the apartment manager that was a part of the center itself. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 21, 2018, at 10:38, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L wrote: > > Dear Students, > > As many of you know, I am participating in the Independent Living Skills program at the Rehabilitation Center For The Blind and Visually Impaired in Daytona, Beach, Florida. Every now and then conflicts do arise among the students. Right now I am in a conflict with one of the ladies in the program. She feels that I did not talk to her for a couple of days. I am going to be nice and respectful to her anyway in spite of this situation. For those of you who have attended the Nfb training centers, how did you handle conflicts that arose while you were there? > > Roanna Bacchus > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mkvnfb94%40gmail.com From alpineimagination at gmail.com Mon Oct 22 01:30:27 2018 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 18:30:27 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Resoving Conflicts In A Dormitory Setting In-Reply-To: <5bcc8f67.1c69fb81.8600b.d246@mx.google.com> References: <5bcc8f67.1c69fb81.8600b.d246@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4C465116-8E60-4401-A1ED-3D344C9AE161@gmail.com> Hi Roanna, I think training center conflict is much more prevalent than college because there are so few students. I'd agree with Mariya's points. Sometimes, you and the other person just won't get along, maybe because you have such different beliefs. If that's the case, the key is to be very respectful of them. Whether she is respecting you or not, it's still important to be polite. I'd also say that in a training center environment, word spreads fast among students. It's probably best if you try not to let the other students know about the conflict. That way people don't take "sides" and you can have a relationship with everyone else. That said, at LCB we had advising with an instructor every week. If you have something like this, you can have a confidential conversation with them about it. Vejas Sent from my iPhone > On 21 Oct 2018, at 07:38, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L wrote: > > Dear Students, > > As many of you know, I am participating in the Independent Living Skills program at the Rehabilitation Center For The Blind and Visually Impaired in Daytona, Beach, Florida. Every now and then conflicts do arise among the students. Right now I am in a conflict with one of the ladies in the program. She feels that I did not talk to her for a couple of days. I am going to be nice and respectful to her anyway in spite of this situation. For those of you who have attended the Nfb training centers, how did you handle conflicts that arose while you were there? > > Roanna Bacchus > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com From redwing731 at gmail.com Mon Oct 22 03:03:22 2018 From: redwing731 at gmail.com (Kendra Schaber) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 03:03:22 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Resoving Conflicts In A Dormitory Setting In-Reply-To: <4C465116-8E60-4401-A1ED-3D344C9AE161@gmail.com> References: <5bcc8f67.1c69fb81.8600b.d246@mx.google.com>, <4C465116-8E60-4401-A1ED-3D344C9AE161@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all! You want to discuss it one on one with the other person. But always make sure to be respectful, find common ground and on top of that, educate them in a manor like a teacher does to a student. Also, when you do have a one on one talk, make sure that you respectfully address the problem and work it out together. I think this is a good place for you to start. Good luck!!! Thank you for taking the time to read this Email! Blessed be!!! Kendra Schaber Chemeketa Community College, 350 Org, Citizen’s Climate Lobby, National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter, Salem, Oregon. Home Email: Redwing731 at gmail.com Chemeketa Community College Email: Kschaber at my.Chemeketa.edu Phone: 971-599-9991 “When the student is ready, the teacher will appear”, Author unknown. Sent from my iPhone SE. Sent from my Gmail Email Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: NABS-L on behalf of Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 6:30:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Resoving Conflicts In A Dormitory Setting Hi Roanna, I think training center conflict is much more prevalent than college because there are so few students. I'd agree with Mariya's points. Sometimes, you and the other person just won't get along, maybe because you have such different beliefs. If that's the case, the key is to be very respectful of them. Whether she is respecting you or not, it's still important to be polite. I'd also say that in a training center environment, word spreads fast among students. It's probably best if you try not to let the other students know about the conflict. That way people don't take "sides" and you can have a relationship with everyone else. That said, at LCB we had advising with an instructor every week. If you have something like this, you can have a confidential conversation with them about it. Vejas Sent from my iPhone > On 21 Oct 2018, at 07:38, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L wrote: > > Dear Students, > > As many of you know, I am participating in the Independent Living Skills program at the Rehabilitation Center For The Blind and Visually Impaired in Daytona, Beach, Florida. Every now and then conflicts do arise among the students. Right now I am in a conflict with one of the ladies in the program. She feels that I did not talk to her for a couple of days. I am going to be nice and respectful to her anyway in spite of this situation. For those of you who have attended the Nfb training centers, how did you handle conflicts that arose while you were there? > > Roanna Bacchus > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/redwing731%40gmail.com From janae.burgmeier at gmail.com Mon Oct 22 12:27:27 2018 From: janae.burgmeier at gmail.com (Janae Burgmeier) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 07:27:27 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Membership call reminder Message-ID: <06F98399-FF75-40A4-9645-727EB7D996A8@gmail.com> Good morning students This is a friendly reminder that our next membership call is next Sunday October 28th at 8pm. The outreach theme this month is meet the blind month We will be having several members give advice on how to get your community involved with meet the blind month activities. We will also have several students speaking about what living the life they want means to them. Please come with your stories, questions and advice to others. Call in info: (712) 770-5197,,265669 Janae Burgmeier Outreach chair From ALewis at nfb.org Tue Oct 23 20:05:33 2018 From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 20:05:33 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Participate in a Math Usability Study and Earn a $100 Amazon Gift Card! Message-ID: Students: McGraw-Hill Education has been working on accessibility for a math software program called ALEKS and would like to gather feedback from college students or recent college graduates regarding the usability of the program. Specifically, McGraw-Hill is looking at the usability of its online graphing tools. Would you be interested in participating? If you qualify for the study, here's what to expect. Time Commitment: 1 hour Date Options: November 12 through November 16, 2018 Offered Hours: 11:00 AM to 8:00 PM Eastern Time Incentive: $100 Amazon gift card. The gift card will be emailed to you after you complete the feedback session. Qualifications: 1. Current college student or recently graduated within the last two years 2. Enrolled in or recently completed college algebra or pre-calculus within the last two years 3. Familiar with transforming (by translating, reflecting, stretching, or compressing) the graph of a parent function to get the graph of another related function 4. Have access to a computer with JAWS 17, 18, or 2018 installed 5. Have access to a computer microphone or phone line During the session, you will speak to one to two researchers from McGraw-Hill. The feedback session will take place remotely via JAWS Tandem. You will need access to a desktop or laptop with internet and a phone line in order to participate. 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You can access it via the link below or by telling Google or Alexa to play 195 the globe. As usual, we will stream all general sessions and the banquet. http://www.195theglobe.com/index.php/ Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ Colorado-Talk mailing list Colorado-Talk at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/colorado-talk_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Colorado-Talk: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/colorado-talk_nfbnet.org/cjohnson%40cocenter.org List archives can be found at _______________________________________________ Colorado-Talk mailing list Colorado-Talk at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/colorado-talk_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Colorado-Talk: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/colorado-talk_nfbnet.org/amieelsabo%40gmail.com List archives can be found at hello all, I hope that you all are doing well this weekend. as you some of you know or not this weekend is the nfb of co state convention. since we all cannot be there in person which would be awesome unfortunately, we can't always be in two places at once:) so, i'am forwarding to you all the information so, you can all tune into listen to the stream of all of thecoverage of this weekend's convention. From dandrews at visi.com Fri Oct 26 01:55:31 2018 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 20:55:31 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Podcasts Message-ID: > >The hdp podcast network is a network of podcasts of all kinds of >topics, from pop culture, to technology, to pretty much anything. We >are looking for people who want to host there own show on the network. >For more information about the network, or if you want to join us, >please visit our website, http://hdpn.heliohost.org. We also have a >contact form on the site if you have any questions and wish to email >us. One of our members has asked me to circulate this announcement. Dave From jason.p1011995 at gmail.com Fri Oct 26 22:21:23 2018 From: jason.p1011995 at gmail.com (Jason Perenski) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2018 18:21:23 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette Message-ID: Hi, I hope this is the right place to ask about this. My ability to gracefully cut food with a fork and knife is abysmal. This is an uncomfortable situation to discuss since dining is so essential for social and business situations, and these skills are usually so incredibly obvious and second nature for most people. I know everyone struggles with something, but as an otherwise independent and successful young adult, this topic feels like something I shouldn’t be stumbling over. I don't eat a lot of meat or food that needs to be cut in general, but I'd like to look professional in more formal social and business settings now that I'm about to leave college. And frankly, I also don't want to be the blind person who always orders something handheld when eating in public. Unfortunately, no one taught me when I was younger, which is a widespread problem for blind children. I've read some guides online about proper table etiquette and how to cut something without looking like a slob. And I've even bought playdough to practice with. But I'm still lousy at it. I'm curious if anyone here has other tips or tricks to get more comfortable and graceful at this. To be as detailed as possible, here's what sometimes happens: 1. I start cutting along the back (convex) portion of the fork, but I'm only partially successful at separating a bite. I end up with a tiny bit of meat clinging to the large piece and it's difficult to tell when I've successfully finished cutting something. This happens a lot with larger, rounded cuts, where a good edge to start from isn’t available or obvious. I place the fork in and position the knife along the back of it, but the thing to be cut extends well past the tines of the fork to either side. In theory I should easily be able to tell when the knife scrapes the plate and there's no more meat to cut, but in practice I'm not always successful at it. 2. While cutting, I start shifting the thing to be cut around the plate and, occasionally, start actually sliding the plate around. I don't know if this has something to do with technique or perhaps even strength. This happens less and less with experience, but it's still uncomfortable when it does. 3. This all becomes a bigger challenge with more complicated dishes (meat with sauce on top, or plates with several other items). Is this something you've ever related to, or is it just me? Were you taught any alternative techniques that might be helpful? Am I missing something obvious? Is my technique possibly incorrect? Are there meals you find easier to handle than others? All of this makes me feel like a bit of an inept loser for a skill that shouldn't be difficult. If you have skills or techniques to make this process more seamless and graceful, I'd love to hear them. From thflute at gmail.com Fri Oct 26 22:47:28 2018 From: thflute at gmail.com (Tara Briggs) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2018 16:47:28 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6E37A780-50B6-436B-8598-02363EC74357@gmail.com> Hey Jason! Welcome to eating as a blind person! We’ve all been there! Probably one of the best things I can do just for you would be to practice when you’re by yourself. He could also start with something like toast and tried cutting up with a knife and fork. Then you can look at what you’re doing. One of the best things you can do is eat small bites! If you lift your fork up and it feels heavy and that might mean at the bite is too big. I hope other people pass on their tips and tricks. I have found that the sharper The knife, the easier it is to cut food. Tara Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 26, 2018, at 4:21 PM, Jason Perenski via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi, > I hope this is the right place to ask about this. My ability to > gracefully cut food with a fork and knife is abysmal. This is an > uncomfortable situation to discuss since dining is so essential for > social and business situations, and these skills are usually so > incredibly obvious and second nature for most people. I know everyone > struggles with something, but as an otherwise independent and > successful young adult, this topic feels like something I shouldn’t be > stumbling over. > > I don't eat a lot of meat or food that needs to be cut in general, but > I'd like to look professional in more formal social and business > settings now that I'm about to leave college. And frankly, I also > don't want to be the blind person who always orders something handheld > when eating in public. > > Unfortunately, no one taught me when I was younger, which is a > widespread problem for blind children. I've read some guides online > about proper table etiquette and how to cut something without looking > like a slob. And I've even bought playdough to practice with. But I'm > still lousy at it. I'm curious if anyone here has other tips or tricks > to get more comfortable and graceful at this. To be as detailed as > possible, here's what sometimes happens: > > 1. I start cutting along the back (convex) portion of the fork, but > I'm only partially successful at separating a bite. I end up with a > tiny bit of meat clinging to the large piece and it's difficult to > tell when I've successfully finished cutting something. This happens a > lot with larger, rounded cuts, where a good edge to start from isn’t > available or obvious. I place the fork in and position the knife along > the back of it, but the thing to be cut extends well past the tines of > the fork to either side. In theory I should easily be able to tell > when the knife scrapes the plate and there's no more meat to cut, but > in practice I'm not always successful at it. > 2. While cutting, I start shifting the thing to be cut around the > plate and, occasionally, start actually sliding the plate around. I > don't know if this has something to do with technique or perhaps even > strength. This happens less and less with experience, but it's still > uncomfortable when it does. > 3. This all becomes a bigger challenge with more complicated dishes > (meat with sauce on top, or plates with several other items). > > Is this something you've ever related to, or is it just me? Were you > taught any alternative techniques that might be helpful? Am I missing > something obvious? Is my technique possibly incorrect? Are there meals > you find easier to handle than others? All of this makes me feel like > a bit of an inept loser for a skill that shouldn't be difficult. If > you have skills or techniques to make this process more seamless and > graceful, I'd love to hear them. > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thflute%40gmail.com From jameyanne at gmail.com Sat Oct 27 03:41:49 2018 From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2018 23:41:49 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette In-Reply-To: <6E37A780-50B6-436B-8598-02363EC74357@gmail.com> References: <6E37A780-50B6-436B-8598-02363EC74357@gmail.com> Message-ID: <011f01d46da6$feb85900$fc290b00$@gmail.com> I echo what Tara said. Practice on your own until you feel comfortable with it. In the meantime, if you're out to eat in a professional setting, try to get things that you don't have to cut. They don't have to be handheld, but things like pasta, soup, or salad don't necessarily have to be cut. Though twirling spaghetti onto a fork is another matter. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Tara Briggs via NABS-L Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 6:47 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Tara Briggs Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette Hey Jason! Welcome to eating as a blind person! We’ve all been there! Probably one of the best things I can do just for you would be to practice when you’re by yourself. He could also start with something like toast and tried cutting up with a knife and fork. Then you can look at what you’re doing. One of the best things you can do is eat small bites! If you lift your fork up and it feels heavy and that might mean at the bite is too big. I hope other people pass on their tips and tricks. I have found that the sharper The knife, the easier it is to cut food. Tara Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 26, 2018, at 4:21 PM, Jason Perenski via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi, > I hope this is the right place to ask about this. My ability to > gracefully cut food with a fork and knife is abysmal. This is an > uncomfortable situation to discuss since dining is so essential for > social and business situations, and these skills are usually so > incredibly obvious and second nature for most people. I know everyone > struggles with something, but as an otherwise independent and > successful young adult, this topic feels like something I shouldn’t be > stumbling over. > > I don't eat a lot of meat or food that needs to be cut in general, but > I'd like to look professional in more formal social and business > settings now that I'm about to leave college. And frankly, I also > don't want to be the blind person who always orders something handheld > when eating in public. > > Unfortunately, no one taught me when I was younger, which is a > widespread problem for blind children. I've read some guides online > about proper table etiquette and how to cut something without looking > like a slob. And I've even bought playdough to practice with. But I'm > still lousy at it. I'm curious if anyone here has other tips or tricks > to get more comfortable and graceful at this. To be as detailed as > possible, here's what sometimes happens: > > 1. I start cutting along the back (convex) portion of the fork, but > I'm only partially successful at separating a bite. I end up with a > tiny bit of meat clinging to the large piece and it's difficult to > tell when I've successfully finished cutting something. This happens a > lot with larger, rounded cuts, where a good edge to start from isn’t > available or obvious. I place the fork in and position the knife along > the back of it, but the thing to be cut extends well past the tines of > the fork to either side. In theory I should easily be able to tell > when the knife scrapes the plate and there's no more meat to cut, but > in practice I'm not always successful at it. > 2. While cutting, I start shifting the thing to be cut around the > plate and, occasionally, start actually sliding the plate around. I > don't know if this has something to do with technique or perhaps even > strength. This happens less and less with experience, but it's still > uncomfortable when it does. > 3. This all becomes a bigger challenge with more complicated dishes > (meat with sauce on top, or plates with several other items). > > Is this something you've ever related to, or is it just me? Were you > taught any alternative techniques that might be helpful? Am I missing > something obvious? Is my technique possibly incorrect? Are there meals > you find easier to handle than others? All of this makes me feel like > a bit of an inept loser for a skill that shouldn't be difficult. If > you have skills or techniques to make this process more seamless and > graceful, I'd love to hear them. > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thflute%40gmail.co > m _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com Sat Oct 27 07:28:05 2018 From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2018 08:28:05 +0100 Subject: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette In-Reply-To: <011f01d46da6$feb85900$fc290b00$@gmail.com> References: <6E37A780-50B6-436B-8598-02363EC74357@gmail.com> <011f01d46da6$feb85900$fc290b00$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <811F3196-A0CC-4532-9CDE-825D50003F0A@gmail.com> This is a huge problem for me, too. I don't know any efficient and clean way to cut my food into smaller pieces, so I request the waiter or one of the folks I am with to do this. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 27, 2018, at 4:41 AM, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: > > I echo what Tara said. Practice on your own until you feel comfortable with it. In the meantime, if you're out to eat in a professional setting, try to get things that you don't have to cut. They don't have to be handheld, but things like pasta, soup, or salad don't necessarily have to be cut. Though twirling spaghetti onto a fork is another matter. > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Tara Briggs via NABS-L > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 6:47 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Tara Briggs > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette > > Hey Jason! Welcome to eating as a blind person! We’ve all been there! Probably one of the best things I can do just for you would be to practice when you’re by yourself. He could also start with something like toast and tried cutting up with a knife and fork. Then you can look at what you’re doing. One of the best things you can do is eat small bites! If you lift your fork up and it feels heavy and that might mean at the bite is too big. I hope other people pass on their tips and tricks. I have found that the sharper The knife, the easier it is to cut food. > Tara > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 26, 2018, at 4:21 PM, Jason Perenski via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hi, >> I hope this is the right place to ask about this. My ability to >> gracefully cut food with a fork and knife is abysmal. This is an >> uncomfortable situation to discuss since dining is so essential for >> social and business situations, and these skills are usually so >> incredibly obvious and second nature for most people. I know everyone >> struggles with something, but as an otherwise independent and >> successful young adult, this topic feels like something I shouldn’t be >> stumbling over. >> >> I don't eat a lot of meat or food that needs to be cut in general, but >> I'd like to look professional in more formal social and business >> settings now that I'm about to leave college. And frankly, I also >> don't want to be the blind person who always orders something handheld >> when eating in public. >> >> Unfortunately, no one taught me when I was younger, which is a >> widespread problem for blind children. I've read some guides online >> about proper table etiquette and how to cut something without looking >> like a slob. And I've even bought playdough to practice with. But I'm >> still lousy at it. I'm curious if anyone here has other tips or tricks >> to get more comfortable and graceful at this. To be as detailed as >> possible, here's what sometimes happens: >> >> 1. I start cutting along the back (convex) portion of the fork, but >> I'm only partially successful at separating a bite. I end up with a >> tiny bit of meat clinging to the large piece and it's difficult to >> tell when I've successfully finished cutting something. This happens a >> lot with larger, rounded cuts, where a good edge to start from isn’t >> available or obvious. I place the fork in and position the knife along >> the back of it, but the thing to be cut extends well past the tines of >> the fork to either side. In theory I should easily be able to tell >> when the knife scrapes the plate and there's no more meat to cut, but >> in practice I'm not always successful at it. >> 2. While cutting, I start shifting the thing to be cut around the >> plate and, occasionally, start actually sliding the plate around. I >> don't know if this has something to do with technique or perhaps even >> strength. This happens less and less with experience, but it's still >> uncomfortable when it does. >> 3. This all becomes a bigger challenge with more complicated dishes >> (meat with sauce on top, or plates with several other items). >> >> Is this something you've ever related to, or is it just me? Were you >> taught any alternative techniques that might be helpful? Am I missing >> something obvious? Is my technique possibly incorrect? Are there meals >> you find easier to handle than others? All of this makes me feel like >> a bit of an inept loser for a skill that shouldn't be difficult. If >> you have skills or techniques to make this process more seamless and >> graceful, I'd love to hear them. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thflute%40gmail.co >> m > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sat Oct 27 13:05:55 2018 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2018 09:05:55 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette In-Reply-To: <011f01d46da6$feb85900$fc290b00$@gmail.com> References: <6E37A780-50B6-436B-8598-02363EC74357@gmail.com> <011f01d46da6$feb85900$fc290b00$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00b001d46df5$ccbd4c40$6637e4c0$@gmail.com> Soups can be a little sloppy, so watch that, and be ware of how much salad dressing you put on your salad, and how big the pieces of the salad are. But yes, those items she mentioned are definitely worth consideration because they can be readily accessed without a whole lot of effort. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 11:42 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Jameyanne Fuller Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette I echo what Tara said. Practice on your own until you feel comfortable with it. In the meantime, if you're out to eat in a professional setting, try to get things that you don't have to cut. They don't have to be handheld, but things like pasta, soup, or salad don't necessarily have to be cut. Though twirling spaghetti onto a fork is another matter. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Tara Briggs via NABS-L Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 6:47 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Tara Briggs Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette Hey Jason! Welcome to eating as a blind person! We’ve all been there! Probably one of the best things I can do just for you would be to practice when you’re by yourself. He could also start with something like toast and tried cutting up with a knife and fork. Then you can look at what you’re doing. One of the best things you can do is eat small bites! If you lift your fork up and it feels heavy and that might mean at the bite is too big. I hope other people pass on their tips and tricks. I have found that the sharper The knife, the easier it is to cut food. Tara Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 26, 2018, at 4:21 PM, Jason Perenski via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi, > I hope this is the right place to ask about this. My ability to > gracefully cut food with a fork and knife is abysmal. This is an > uncomfortable situation to discuss since dining is so essential for > social and business situations, and these skills are usually so > incredibly obvious and second nature for most people. I know everyone > struggles with something, but as an otherwise independent and > successful young adult, this topic feels like something I shouldn’t be > stumbling over. > > I don't eat a lot of meat or food that needs to be cut in general, but > I'd like to look professional in more formal social and business > settings now that I'm about to leave college. And frankly, I also > don't want to be the blind person who always orders something handheld > when eating in public. > > Unfortunately, no one taught me when I was younger, which is a > widespread problem for blind children. I've read some guides online > about proper table etiquette and how to cut something without looking > like a slob. And I've even bought playdough to practice with. But I'm > still lousy at it. I'm curious if anyone here has other tips or tricks > to get more comfortable and graceful at this. To be as detailed as > possible, here's what sometimes happens: > > 1. I start cutting along the back (convex) portion of the fork, but > I'm only partially successful at separating a bite. I end up with a > tiny bit of meat clinging to the large piece and it's difficult to > tell when I've successfully finished cutting something. This happens a > lot with larger, rounded cuts, where a good edge to start from isn’t > available or obvious. I place the fork in and position the knife along > the back of it, but the thing to be cut extends well past the tines of > the fork to either side. In theory I should easily be able to tell > when the knife scrapes the plate and there's no more meat to cut, but > in practice I'm not always successful at it. > 2. While cutting, I start shifting the thing to be cut around the > plate and, occasionally, start actually sliding the plate around. I > don't know if this has something to do with technique or perhaps even > strength. This happens less and less with experience, but it's still > uncomfortable when it does. > 3. This all becomes a bigger challenge with more complicated dishes > (meat with sauce on top, or plates with several other items). > > Is this something you've ever related to, or is it just me? Were you > taught any alternative techniques that might be helpful? Am I missing > something obvious? Is my technique possibly incorrect? Are there meals > you find easier to handle than others? All of this makes me feel like > a bit of an inept loser for a skill that shouldn't be difficult. If > you have skills or techniques to make this process more seamless and > graceful, I'd love to hear them. > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thflute%40gmail.co > m _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sat Oct 27 13:05:55 2018 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2018 09:05:55 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette In-Reply-To: <811F3196-A0CC-4532-9CDE-825D50003F0A@gmail.com> References: <6E37A780-50B6-436B-8598-02363EC74357@gmail.com> <011f01d46da6$feb85900$fc290b00$@gmail.com> <811F3196-A0CC-4532-9CDE-825D50003F0A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00b201d46df5$ce88bd70$6b9a3850$@gmail.com> Eating some of the food around it first is a good idea. Also, I usually find meals that don't need to be cut, or that are cut more easily. Fish is one of them, or find some sort of sandwitch or pizza. I eat pretty healthy, so I don't usually get slabs of meat when I'm out. If I do, then I eat the things around the first, or I take my time and cut slowly; eating a piece or two at a time, and sometimes, combining the two tactics. Use your hands to position the meet if you have two, or get an extra plate or two if you need to. You can put the meat on a separate plate, or move a couple of the side items off the main plate. You can even have them bring an extra plate just for the sides. Some restaurants do that anyway for larger meals. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 3:28 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Rahul Bajaj Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette This is a huge problem for me, too. I don't know any efficient and clean way to cut my food into smaller pieces, so I request the waiter or one of the folks I am with to do this. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 27, 2018, at 4:41 AM, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: > > I echo what Tara said. Practice on your own until you feel comfortable with it. In the meantime, if you're out to eat in a professional setting, try to get things that you don't have to cut. They don't have to be handheld, but things like pasta, soup, or salad don't necessarily have to be cut. Though twirling spaghetti onto a fork is another matter. > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Tara Briggs via > NABS-L > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 6:47 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: Tara Briggs > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette > > Hey Jason! Welcome to eating as a blind person! We’ve all been there! Probably one of the best things I can do just for you would be to practice when you’re by yourself. He could also start with something like toast and tried cutting up with a knife and fork. Then you can look at what you’re doing. One of the best things you can do is eat small bites! If you lift your fork up and it feels heavy and that might mean at the bite is too big. I hope other people pass on their tips and tricks. I have found that the sharper The knife, the easier it is to cut food. > Tara > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 26, 2018, at 4:21 PM, Jason Perenski via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hi, >> I hope this is the right place to ask about this. My ability to >> gracefully cut food with a fork and knife is abysmal. This is an >> uncomfortable situation to discuss since dining is so essential for >> social and business situations, and these skills are usually so >> incredibly obvious and second nature for most people. I know everyone >> struggles with something, but as an otherwise independent and >> successful young adult, this topic feels like something I shouldn’t >> be stumbling over. >> >> I don't eat a lot of meat or food that needs to be cut in general, >> but I'd like to look professional in more formal social and business >> settings now that I'm about to leave college. And frankly, I also >> don't want to be the blind person who always orders something >> handheld when eating in public. >> >> Unfortunately, no one taught me when I was younger, which is a >> widespread problem for blind children. I've read some guides online >> about proper table etiquette and how to cut something without looking >> like a slob. And I've even bought playdough to practice with. But I'm >> still lousy at it. I'm curious if anyone here has other tips or >> tricks to get more comfortable and graceful at this. To be as >> detailed as possible, here's what sometimes happens: >> >> 1. I start cutting along the back (convex) portion of the fork, but >> I'm only partially successful at separating a bite. I end up with a >> tiny bit of meat clinging to the large piece and it's difficult to >> tell when I've successfully finished cutting something. This happens >> a lot with larger, rounded cuts, where a good edge to start from >> isn’t available or obvious. I place the fork in and position the >> knife along the back of it, but the thing to be cut extends well past >> the tines of the fork to either side. In theory I should easily be >> able to tell when the knife scrapes the plate and there's no more >> meat to cut, but in practice I'm not always successful at it. >> 2. While cutting, I start shifting the thing to be cut around the >> plate and, occasionally, start actually sliding the plate around. I >> don't know if this has something to do with technique or perhaps even >> strength. This happens less and less with experience, but it's still >> uncomfortable when it does. >> 3. This all becomes a bigger challenge with more complicated dishes >> (meat with sauce on top, or plates with several other items). >> >> Is this something you've ever related to, or is it just me? Were you >> taught any alternative techniques that might be helpful? Am I missing >> something obvious? Is my technique possibly incorrect? Are there >> meals you find easier to handle than others? All of this makes me >> feel like a bit of an inept loser for a skill that shouldn't be >> difficult. If you have skills or techniques to make this process more >> seamless and graceful, I'd love to hear them. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thflute%40gmail.c >> o >> m > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail. > com > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40 > gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com From janae.burgmeier at gmail.com Sun Oct 28 20:04:47 2018 From: janae.burgmeier at gmail.com (Janae Burgmeier) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2018 15:04:47 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Membership call tonight Message-ID: This is a friendly reminder that our membership call is tonight a 8pm. Eastern. The outreach theme this month is meet the blind month We will be having several members give advice on how to get your community involved with meet the blind month activities. We will also have several students speaking about what living the life they want means to them. Please come with your stories, questions and advice to others. Call in info: (712) 770-5197,,265669 From campbell.rutherford15 at gmail.com Sun Oct 28 23:43:05 2018 From: campbell.rutherford15 at gmail.com (Campbell Rutherford) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2018 19:43:05 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Introduction Message-ID: Hi, My name is Campbell Rutherford, and I am fifteen years old. I am a homeschooler from Dandridge, Tennessee, and I'm a sophomore in highschool. I have been blind since birth, and my eye condition is Leber's Congenital Amaurosis, or LCA. I subscribed to the NABS mailing list upon recommendation by a friend, and I'm looking forward to getting some great feedback from other blind students like myself. From mausam.mehta.nfb at gmail.com Mon Oct 29 01:00:59 2018 From: mausam.mehta.nfb at gmail.com (Mausam Mehta) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2018 21:00:59 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Introduction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Campbell, It’s great to meet you, and welcome to the list. We’re here with advice and to answer any questions that you might have. Feel free to reach out if you need anything. Best, Mausam Mehta Board member | National Association of blind students A proud division of the National Federation of the blind (540) 466-6033 mausam.mehta.nfb at gmail.com | www.nabslink.org > On Oct 28, 2018, at 7:43 PM, Campbell Rutherford via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi, > > My name is Campbell Rutherford, and I am fifteen years old. I am a > homeschooler from Dandridge, Tennessee, and I'm a sophomore in highschool. > I have been blind since birth, and my eye condition is Leber's Congenital > Amaurosis, or LCA. > > I subscribed to the NABS mailing list upon recommendation by a friend, and > I'm looking forward to getting some great feedback from other blind > students like myself. > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mausam.mehta.nfb%40gmail.com From mauraloberg at gmail.com Mon Oct 29 05:07:20 2018 From: mauraloberg at gmail.com (Maura Loberg) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 00:07:20 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Introduction Message-ID: <5bd6958d.1c69fb81.20529.3ffe@mx.google.com> Hey, I remember you from National Braille Challenge back in yester-year! I hope you've been doing well. Glad to see you on this list! On Oct 28, 2018 8:00 PM, Mausam Mehta via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Campbell, > It’s great to meet you, and welcome to the list. > We’re here with advice and to answer any questions that you might have. Feel free to reach out if you need anything. > Best, > > Mausam Mehta > Board member | National Association of blind students > A proud division of the National Federation of the blind > (540) 466-6033 > mausam.mehta.nfb at gmail.com > | > www.nabslink.org > > > On Oct 28, 2018, at 7:43 PM, Campbell Rutherford via NABS-L wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > My name is Campbell Rutherford, and I am fifteen years old. I am a > > homeschooler from Dandridge, Tennessee, and I'm a sophomore in highschool. > > I have been blind since birth, and my eye condition is Leber's Congenital > > Amaurosis, or LCA. > > > > I subscribed to the NABS mailing list upon recommendation by a friend, and > > I'm looking forward to getting some great feedback from other blind > > students like myself. > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mausam.mehta.nfb%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmail.com From mkvnfb94 at gmail.com Mon Oct 29 19:20:45 2018 From: mkvnfb94 at gmail.com (Mariya Vasileva) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 15:20:45 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Accessible exercise equipment pairing applications Message-ID: <1697E04B-EF85-4742-9B09-D747F3C8BC04@gmail.com> Sent from my iPhone Hi all, I am taking a one credit gym class this semester, and part of our course is to do three workouts a week for about 45 minutes each that tie in to our individual goals at the end. But, I’m not sure what apps for the iPhone I could use to track how many miles I’ve done on the treadmill, a bike, or a cycling machine. If anybody has any suggestions, let me know. From braillemasterjustin at gmail.com Mon Oct 29 19:41:43 2018 From: braillemasterjustin at gmail.com (Justin Heard) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 15:41:43 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Question About Microsoft Excel and Access Message-ID: <466efa01-c12d-fbc9-b6dc-63e945ceae41@gmail.com> Hey guys. Does anyone know the JAWS or NVDA keystroke for switching between spreadsheets in excel? I can't find one for switching between tables in Access as well. Thanks. From jrzobek at gmail.com Mon Oct 29 19:56:07 2018 From: jrzobek at gmail.com (Jonathan Zobek) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 15:56:07 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Question About Microsoft Excel and Access In-Reply-To: <466efa01-c12d-fbc9-b6dc-63e945ceae41@gmail.com> References: <466efa01-c12d-fbc9-b6dc-63e945ceae41@gmail.com> Message-ID: <76E8D522-F3DB-44BA-8FD2-61ADB7A6E491@gmail.com> Hello. If you mean switching between two spreadsheets in a specific workbook, try control and PageUp or PageDown while using JAWS. I am not sure about NVDA. Hope this helps, Jonathan Sent from my iPad > On Oct 29, 2018, at 15:41, Justin Heard via NABS-L wrote: > > Hey guys. > > Does anyone know the JAWS or NVDA keystroke for switching between spreadsheets in excel? I can't find one for switching between tables in Access as well. > > Thanks. > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jrzobek%40gmail.com From inscriptioelectronicaaustralia at gmail.com Mon Oct 29 20:43:27 2018 From: inscriptioelectronicaaustralia at gmail.com (Roger Newell) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 07:43:27 +1100 Subject: [NABS-L] Question About Microsoft Excel and Access In-Reply-To: <76E8D522-F3DB-44BA-8FD2-61ADB7A6E491@gmail.com> References: <466efa01-c12d-fbc9-b6dc-63e945ceae41@gmail.com> <76E8D522-F3DB-44BA-8FD2-61ADB7A6E491@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, that works, and another one which may be faster when you're using JAWS is CTRL+SHIFT+S. On 10/30/18, Jonathan Zobek via NABS-L wrote: > Hello. > > If you mean switching between two spreadsheets in a specific workbook, try > control and PageUp or PageDown while using JAWS. I am not sure about NVDA. > > Hope this helps, > Jonathan > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Oct 29, 2018, at 15:41, Justin Heard via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Hey guys. >> >> Does anyone know the JAWS or NVDA keystroke for switching between >> spreadsheets in excel? I can't find one for switching between tables in >> Access as well. >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jrzobek%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/inscriptioelectronicaaustralia%40gmail.com > From santiago.blue.hernandez at gmail.com Mon Oct 29 20:48:40 2018 From: santiago.blue.hernandez at gmail.com (Santiago H) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 13:48:40 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Accessible exercise equipment pairing applications In-Reply-To: <1697E04B-EF85-4742-9B09-D747F3C8BC04@gmail.com> References: <1697E04B-EF85-4742-9B09-D747F3C8BC04@gmail.com> Message-ID: <53AB1B27-F5E2-4D21-B180-C0DF514241AF@gmail.com> When in comes to in door activities such as stationary bikes, and treadmills, a stand-alone iPhone doesn’t seem to be very accurate. Pairing it with a fitness tracker such as an Apple Watch or FitBit might be your best bet. I know of Strava which is an app that works well for outdoor biking, without any additional accessories. > On Oct 29, 2018, at 12:20 PM, Mariya Vasileva via NABS-L wrote: > > > > Sent from my iPhone > Hi all, I am taking a one credit gym class this semester, and part of our course is to do three workouts a week for about 45 minutes each that tie in to our individual goals at the end. But, I’m not sure what apps for the iPhone I could use to track how many miles I’ve done on the treadmill, a bike, or a cycling machine. If anybody has any suggestions, let me know. > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/santiago.blue.hernandez%40gmail.com From santiago.blue.hernandez at gmail.com Mon Oct 29 20:49:56 2018 From: santiago.blue.hernandez at gmail.com (Santiago H) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 13:49:56 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Question About Microsoft Excel and Access In-Reply-To: <76E8D522-F3DB-44BA-8FD2-61ADB7A6E491@gmail.com> References: <466efa01-c12d-fbc9-b6dc-63e945ceae41@gmail.com> <76E8D522-F3DB-44BA-8FD2-61ADB7A6E491@gmail.com> Message-ID: <68B54474-1BB6-47B8-B05E-96972CAFB611@gmail.com> Hello, I can confirm this command also works when using NVDA. It seems to be a keyboard shortcut that is specific to Excel, therefore, you can use it regardless of screen reader. > On Oct 29, 2018, at 12:56 PM, Jonathan Zobek via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello. > > If you mean switching between two spreadsheets in a specific workbook, try control and PageUp or PageDown while using JAWS. I am not sure about NVDA. > > Hope this helps, > Jonathan > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Oct 29, 2018, at 15:41, Justin Heard via NABS-L > wrote: >> >> Hey guys. >> >> Does anyone know the JAWS or NVDA keystroke for switching between spreadsheets in excel? I can't find one for switching between tables in Access as well. >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jrzobek%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/santiago.blue.hernandez%40gmail.com From zdreicer at gmail.com Mon Oct 29 21:11:29 2018 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 14:11:29 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Accessible exercise equipment pairing applications In-Reply-To: <53AB1B27-F5E2-4D21-B180-C0DF514241AF@gmail.com> References: <1697E04B-EF85-4742-9B09-D747F3C8BC04@gmail.com> <53AB1B27-F5E2-4D21-B180-C0DF514241AF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <82FB32E1-F9CB-4D71-B0F5-2A66F9D26B9C@gmail.com> It’s been a bit! Hope you’re doing well in school. I myself have the Apple watch I used the work out app. “Live the life you want” -National Federation of the Blind Sent from my iPhone XS Using VoiceOver > On Oct 29, 2018, at 13:48, Santiago H via NABS-L wrote: > > When in comes to in door activities such as stationary bikes, and treadmills, a stand-alone iPhone doesn’t seem to be very accurate. Pairing it with a fitness tracker such as an Apple Watch or FitBit might be your best bet. I know of Strava which is an app that works well for outdoor biking, without any additional accessories. > >> On Oct 29, 2018, at 12:20 PM, Mariya Vasileva via NABS-L wrote: >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> Hi all, I am taking a one credit gym class this semester, and part of our course is to do three workouts a week for about 45 minutes each that tie in to our individual goals at the end. But, I’m not sure what apps for the iPhone I could use to track how many miles I’ve done on the treadmill, a bike, or a cycling machine. If anybody has any suggestions, let me know. >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/santiago.blue.hernandez%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com From steve.jacobson at visi.com Tue Oct 30 00:17:46 2018 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 19:17:46 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Question About Microsoft Excel and Access In-Reply-To: <76E8D522-F3DB-44BA-8FD2-61ADB7A6E491@gmail.com> References: <466efa01-c12d-fbc9-b6dc-63e945ceae41@gmail.com> <76E8D522-F3DB-44BA-8FD2-61ADB7A6E491@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00a401d46fe5$fc186c80$f4494580$@visi.com> Jonathan, Those keystrokes are Excel keystrokes so they should work with any screen reader, or even if one is just using Excel visually. Best regards, Steve Jacobson -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Jonathan Zobek via NABS-L Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 2:56 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Jonathan Zobek Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Question About Microsoft Excel and Access Hello. If you mean switching between two spreadsheets in a specific workbook, try control and PageUp or PageDown while using JAWS. I am not sure about NVDA. Hope this helps, Jonathan Sent from my iPad > On Oct 29, 2018, at 15:41, Justin Heard via NABS-L wrote: > > Hey guys. > > Does anyone know the JAWS or NVDA keystroke for switching between spreadsheets in excel? I can't find one for switching between tables in Access as well. > > Thanks. > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jrzobek%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.co m From matthewhgip at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 03:01:06 2018 From: matthewhgip at gmail.com (Matthew Gip) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 20:01:06 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Join NABS Outreach Call, Next Monday, November 5th, at 9:00 PM EST Message-ID: <56FAC8D8-E52C-4FB0-A646-CC53A60BA7A3@gmail.com> Dear Students, Please join your friends from the NABS Outreach Committee on our next call, which will be next Monday at 9 pm eastern, as we look to work on our outreach projects and building membership. Call: (712) 770-4130 Access code: 265669 Best, Matthew Gip President | California Association of Blind Students A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind of California Co-Chair | National Association of Blind Students Outreach Committee Phone: (559) 375-2068 Email: matthewhgip at gmail.com From matthewhgip at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 08:25:21 2018 From: matthewhgip at gmail.com (Matthew Gip) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 01:25:21 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Join NABS Outreach Call, Next Monday, November 5th, at 9:00 PM EST In-Reply-To: <56FAC8D8-E52C-4FB0-A646-CC53A60BA7A3@gmail.com> References: <56FAC8D8-E52C-4FB0-A646-CC53A60BA7A3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E2867AC-FD7E-408D-91E7-F9EFC4DEA0EA@gmail.com> Correction: The call-in number is (712) 770-5197 followed by access code 265669. I apologize about this. Matthew Gip President | California Association of Blind Students A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind of California Co-Chair | National Association of Blind Students Outreach Committee Phone: (559) 375-2068 Email: matthewhgip at gmail.com > On Oct 29, 2018, at 8:01 PM, Matthew Gip wrote: > > Dear Students, > > Please join your friends from the NABS Outreach Committee on our next call, which will be next Monday at 9 pm eastern, as we look to work on our outreach projects and building membership. > > Call: (712) 770-4130 > Access code: 265669 > > Best, > Matthew Gip > President | California Association of Blind Students > A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind of California > Co-Chair | National Association of Blind Students Outreach Committee > Phone: (559) 375-2068 > Email: matthewhgip at gmail.com > From sbonenfant2 at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 14:53:43 2018 From: sbonenfant2 at gmail.com (simon bonenfant) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 10:53:43 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette Message-ID: <5bd87083.1c69fb81.46686.9803@mx.google.com> Hi Folks. As I read  this thread another question comes to my mind. What have you all done about reading menus when they are not in braille? Most places I go to the restruants do not have braille menus. I've heard of people using knfb reader or Seeing Ai or something else to that effect but that has really never seemed to work for me. I find that when I've tried using Knfb Reader to read menus it usually jumbles things together and I end up not clearly distinguishing the price of the ingredients in the dish to the actual dish which makes this task very confusing with Knfb Reader. I usually end up asking whoever I'm with to read me the menu which is fine with me but I'm just curious how others handle this? Thanks. Simon. Sent from my braille note touch. On Oct 27, 2018 9:05 AM, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: > > Soups can be a little sloppy, so watch that, and be ware of how much salad dressing you put on your salad, and how big the pieces of the salad are. > > But yes, those items she mentioned are definitely worth consideration because they can be readily accessed without a whole lot of effort. > > Justin > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 11:42 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Cc: Jameyanne Fuller > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette > > I echo what Tara said. Practice on your own until you feel comfortable with it. In the meantime, if you're out to eat in a professional setting, try to get things that you don't have to cut. They don't have to be handheld, but things like pasta, soup, or salad don't necessarily have to be cut. Though twirling spaghetti onto a fork is another matter. > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Tara Briggs via NABS-L > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 6:47 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Tara Briggs > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette > > Hey Jason! Welcome to eating as a blind person! We’ve all been there! Probably one of the best things I can do just for you would be to practice when you’re by yourself. He could also start with something like toast and tried cutting up with a knife and fork. Then you can look at what you’re doing. One of the best things you can do is eat small bites! If you lift your fork up and it feels heavy and that might mean at the bite is too big. I hope other people pass on their tips and tricks. I have found that the sharper The knife,  the easier it is to cut food. > Tara > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 26, 2018, at 4:21 PM, Jason Perenski via NABS-L wrote: > > > > Hi, > > I hope this is the right place to ask about this. My ability to > > gracefully cut food with a fork and knife is abysmal. This is an > > uncomfortable situation to discuss since dining is so essential for > > social and business situations, and these skills are usually so > > incredibly obvious and second nature for most people. I know everyone > > struggles with something, but as an otherwise independent and > > successful young adult, this topic feels like something I shouldn’t be > > stumbling over. > > > > I don't eat a lot of meat or food that needs to be cut in general, but > > I'd like to look professional in more formal social and business > > settings now that I'm about to leave college. And frankly, I also > > don't want to be the blind person who always orders something handheld > > when eating in public. > > > > Unfortunately, no one taught me when I was younger, which is a > > widespread problem for blind children. I've read some guides online > > about proper table etiquette and how to cut something without looking > > like a slob. And I've even bought playdough to practice with. But I'm > > still lousy at it. I'm curious if anyone here has other tips or tricks > > to get more comfortable and graceful at this. To be as detailed as > > possible, here's what sometimes happens: > > > > 1. I start cutting along the back (convex) portion of the fork, but > > I'm only partially successful at separating a bite. I end up with a > > tiny bit of meat clinging to the large piece and it's difficult to > > tell when I've successfully finished cutting something. This happens a > > lot with larger, rounded cuts, where a good edge to start from isn’t > > available or obvious. I place the fork in and position the knife along > > the back of it, but the thing to be cut extends well past the tines of > > the fork to either side. In theory I should easily be able to tell > > when the knife scrapes the plate and there's no more meat to cut, but > > in practice I'm not always successful at it. > > 2. While cutting, I start shifting the thing to be cut around the > > plate and, occasionally, start actually sliding the plate around. I > > don't know if this has something to do with technique or perhaps even > > strength. This happens less and less with experience, but it's still > > uncomfortable when it does. > > 3. This all becomes a bigger challenge with more complicated dishes > > (meat with sauce on top, or plates with several other items). > > > > Is this something you've ever related to, or is it just me? Were you > > taught any alternative techniques that might be helpful? Am I missing > > something obvious? Is my technique possibly incorrect? Are there meals > > you find easier to handle than others? All of this makes me feel like > > a bit of an inept loser for a skill that shouldn't be difficult. If > > you have skills or techniques to make this process more seamless and > > graceful, I'd love to hear them. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thflute%40gmail.co > > m > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%40gmail.com From 1008jmd at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 17:00:39 2018 From: 1008jmd at gmail.com (John Dowling) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 13:00:39 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette Message-ID: <5bd88e3d.1c69fb81.aa668.2de1@mx.google.com> Hi Simon, You could always use something like seeing AI or KNFB reader, or, you could use Aira as a guest and ask an agent what's on the menu. On Oct 30, 2018 10:53 AM, simon bonenfant via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Folks. > As I read  this thread another question comes to my mind. What have you all done about reading menus when they are not in braille? Most places I go to the restruants do not have braille menus. I've heard of people using knfb reader or Seeing Ai or something else to that effect but that has really never seemed to work for me. > I find that when I've tried using Knfb Reader to read menus it usually jumbles things together and I end up not clearly distinguishing the price of the ingredients in the dish to the actual dish which makes this task very confusing with Knfb Reader. I usually end up asking whoever I'm with to read me the menu which is fine with me but I'm just curious how others handle this? > Thanks. > Simon. > Sent from my braille note touch. > > On Oct 27, 2018 9:05 AM, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: > > > > Soups can be a little sloppy, so watch that, and be ware of how much salad dressing you put on your salad, and how big the pieces of the salad are. > > > > But yes, those items she mentioned are definitely worth consideration because they can be readily accessed without a whole lot of effort. > > > > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L > > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 11:42 PM > > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > > Cc: Jameyanne Fuller > > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette > > > > I echo what Tara said. Practice on your own until you feel comfortable with it. In the meantime, if you're out to eat in a professional setting, try to get things that you don't have to cut. They don't have to be handheld, but things like pasta, soup, or salad don't necessarily have to be cut. Though twirling spaghetti onto a fork is another matter. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Tara Briggs via NABS-L > > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 6:47 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: Tara Briggs > > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette > > > > Hey Jason! Welcome to eating as a blind person! We’ve all been there! Probably one of the best things I can do just for you would be to practice when you’re by yourself. He could also start with something like toast and tried cutting up with a knife and fork. Then you can look at what you’re doing. One of the best things you can do is eat small bites! If you lift your fork up and it feels heavy and that might mean at the bite is too big. I hope other people pass on their tips and tricks. I have found that the sharper The knife,  the easier it is to cut food. > > Tara > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Oct 26, 2018, at 4:21 PM, Jason Perenski via NABS-L wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > I hope this is the right place to ask about this. My ability to > > > gracefully cut food with a fork and knife is abysmal. This is an > > > uncomfortable situation to discuss since dining is so essential for > > > social and business situations, and these skills are usually so > > > incredibly obvious and second nature for most people. I know everyone > > > struggles with something, but as an otherwise independent and > > > successful young adult, this topic feels like something I shouldn’t be > > > stumbling over. > > > > > > I don't eat a lot of meat or food that needs to be cut in general, but > > > I'd like to look professional in more formal social and business > > > settings now that I'm about to leave college. And frankly, I also > > > don't want to be the blind person who always orders something handheld > > > when eating in public. > > > > > > Unfortunately, no one taught me when I was younger, which is a > > > widespread problem for blind children. I've read some guides online > > > about proper table etiquette and how to cut something without looking > > > like a slob. And I've even bought playdough to practice with. But I'm > > > still lousy at it. I'm curious if anyone here has other tips or tricks > > > to get more comfortable and graceful at this. To be as detailed as > > > possible, here's what sometimes happens: > > > > > > 1. I start cutting along the back (convex) portion of the fork, but > > > I'm only partially successful at separating a bite. I end up with a > > > tiny bit of meat clinging to the large piece and it's difficult to > > > tell when I've successfully finished cutting something. This happens a > > > lot with larger, rounded cuts, where a good edge to start from isn’t > > > available or obvious. I place the fork in and position the knife along > > > the back of it, but the thing to be cut extends well past the tines of > > > the fork to either side. In theory I should easily be able to tell > > > when the knife scrapes the plate and there's no more meat to cut, but > > > in practice I'm not always successful at it. > > > 2. While cutting, I start shifting the thing to be cut around the > > > plate and, occasionally, start actually sliding the plate around. I > > > don't know if this has something to do with technique or perhaps even > > > strength. This happens less and less with experience, but it's still > > > uncomfortable when it does. > > > 3. This all becomes a bigger challenge with more complicated dishes > > > (meat with sauce on top, or plates with several other items). > > > > > > Is this something you've ever related to, or is it just me? Were you > > > taught any alternative techniques that might be helpful? Am I missing > > > something obvious? Is my technique possibly incorrect? Are there meals > > > you find easier to handle than others? All of this makes me feel like > > > a bit of an inept loser for a skill that shouldn't be difficult. If > > > you have skills or techniques to make this process more seamless and > > > graceful, I'd love to hear them. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > NABS-L mailing list > > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thflute%40gmail.co > > > m > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com > > > > --- > > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > > https://www.avg.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/1008jmd%40gmail.com From misokwak12 at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 17:06:23 2018 From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 13:06:23 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette In-Reply-To: <5bd88e3d.1c69fb81.aa668.2de1@mx.google.com> References: <5bd88e3d.1c69fb81.aa668.2de1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I have used Aira at times, which was great. When I am with family or friends, however, I would ask them for their help. I usually start by asking them to read categories of the menu, and narrow down what I want to know more about. If I am by myself or with blind people, I would use Aira, look up the menu online, or ask the restaurant staff for help. Miso On 10/30/18, John Dowling via NABS-L wrote: > Hi Simon, > You could always use something like seeing AI or KNFB reader, or, you could > use Aira as a guest and ask an agent what's on the menu. > > On Oct 30, 2018 10:53 AM, simon bonenfant via NABS-L > wrote: >> >> Hi Folks. >> As I read  this thread another question comes to my mind. What have you >> all done about reading menus when they are not in braille? Most places I >> go to the restruants do not have braille menus. I've heard of people using >> knfb reader or Seeing Ai or something else to that effect but that has >> really never seemed to work for me. >> I find that when I've tried using Knfb Reader to read menus it usually >> jumbles things together and I end up not clearly distinguishing the price >> of the ingredients in the dish to the actual dish which makes this task >> very confusing with Knfb Reader. I usually end up asking whoever I'm with >> to read me the menu which is fine with me but I'm just curious how others >> handle this? >> Thanks. >> Simon. >> Sent from my braille note touch. >> >> On Oct 27, 2018 9:05 AM, Justin Williams via NABS-L >> wrote: >> > >> > Soups can be a little sloppy, so watch that, and be ware of how much >> > salad dressing you put on your salad, and how big the pieces of the >> > salad are. >> > >> > But yes, those items she mentioned are definitely worth consideration >> > because they can be readily accessed without a whole lot of effort. >> > >> > Justin >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jameyanne >> > Fuller via NABS-L >> > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 11:42 PM >> > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> > >> > Cc: Jameyanne Fuller >> > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette >> > >> > I echo what Tara said. Practice on your own until you feel comfortable >> > with it. In the meantime, if you're out to eat in a professional >> > setting, try to get things that you don't have to cut. They don't have >> > to be handheld, but things like pasta, soup, or salad don't necessarily >> > have to be cut. Though twirling spaghetti onto a fork is another matter. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Tara Briggs via >> > NABS-L >> > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 6:47 PM >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > >> > Cc: Tara Briggs >> > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette >> > >> > Hey Jason! Welcome to eating as a blind person! We’ve all been there! >> > Probably one of the best things I can do just for you would be to >> > practice when you’re by yourself. He could also start with something >> > like toast and tried cutting up with a knife and fork. Then you can look >> > at what you’re doing. One of the best things you can do is eat small >> > bites! If you lift your fork up and it feels heavy and that might mean >> > at the bite is too big. I hope other people pass on their tips and >> > tricks. I have found that the sharper The knife,  the easier it is to >> > cut food. >> > Tara >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> > > On Oct 26, 2018, at 4:21 PM, Jason Perenski via NABS-L >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > Hi, >> > > I hope this is the right place to ask about this. My ability to >> > > gracefully cut food with a fork and knife is abysmal. This is an >> > > uncomfortable situation to discuss since dining is so essential for >> > > social and business situations, and these skills are usually so >> > > incredibly obvious and second nature for most people. I know everyone >> > > struggles with something, but as an otherwise independent and >> > > successful young adult, this topic feels like something I shouldn’t be >> > > >> > > stumbling over. >> > > >> > > I don't eat a lot of meat or food that needs to be cut in general, but >> > > >> > > I'd like to look professional in more formal social and business >> > > settings now that I'm about to leave college. And frankly, I also >> > > don't want to be the blind person who always orders something handheld >> > > >> > > when eating in public. >> > > >> > > Unfortunately, no one taught me when I was younger, which is a >> > > widespread problem for blind children. I've read some guides online >> > > about proper table etiquette and how to cut something without looking >> > > like a slob. And I've even bought playdough to practice with. But I'm >> > > still lousy at it. I'm curious if anyone here has other tips or tricks >> > > >> > > to get more comfortable and graceful at this. To be as detailed as >> > > possible, here's what sometimes happens: >> > > >> > > 1. I start cutting along the back (convex) portion of the fork, but >> > > I'm only partially successful at separating a bite. I end up with a >> > > tiny bit of meat clinging to the large piece and it's difficult to >> > > tell when I've successfully finished cutting something. This happens a >> > > >> > > lot with larger, rounded cuts, where a good edge to start from isn’t >> > > available or obvious. I place the fork in and position the knife along >> > > >> > > the back of it, but the thing to be cut extends well past the tines of >> > > >> > > the fork to either side. In theory I should easily be able to tell >> > > when the knife scrapes the plate and there's no more meat to cut, but >> > > in practice I'm not always successful at it. >> > > 2. While cutting, I start shifting the thing to be cut around the >> > > plate and, occasionally, start actually sliding the plate around. I >> > > don't know if this has something to do with technique or perhaps even >> > > strength. This happens less and less with experience, but it's still >> > > uncomfortable when it does. >> > > 3. This all becomes a bigger challenge with more complicated dishes >> > > (meat with sauce on top, or plates with several other items). >> > > >> > > Is this something you've ever related to, or is it just me? Were you >> > > taught any alternative techniques that might be helpful? Am I missing >> > > something obvious? Is my technique possibly incorrect? Are there meals >> > > >> > > you find easier to handle than others? All of this makes me feel like >> > > a bit of an inept loser for a skill that shouldn't be difficult. If >> > > you have skills or techniques to make this process more seamless and >> > > graceful, I'd love to hear them. >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > NABS-L mailing list >> > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > > NABS-L: >> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thflute%40gmail.co >> > > m >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > NABS-L mailing list >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > NABS-L: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com >> > >> > --- >> > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> > https://www.avg.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > NABS-L mailing list >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > NABS-L: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > NABS-L mailing list >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > NABS-L: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%40gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/1008jmd%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/misokwak12%40gmail.com > From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 17:08:19 2018 From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 12:08:19 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette In-Reply-To: <5bd88e3d.1c69fb81.aa668.2de1@mx.google.com> References: <5bd88e3d.1c69fb81.aa668.2de1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <264DD54D-CA72-41F1-8786-A428F71B4FDB@gmail.com> Hi, Aira only works as a guest in their site access locations. You can use Be My Eyes for this though. Also, try switching KNFB reader to multi column and see if that works. Finally, try looking online for the menu. HTH Aleeha Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 30, 2018, at 12:00 PM, John Dowling via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Simon, > You could always use something like seeing AI or KNFB reader, or, you could use Aira as a guest and ask an agent what's on the menu. > >> On Oct 30, 2018 10:53 AM, simon bonenfant via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hi Folks. >> As I read this thread another question comes to my mind. What have you all done about reading menus when they are not in braille? Most places I go to the restruants do not have braille menus. I've heard of people using knfb reader or Seeing Ai or something else to that effect but that has really never seemed to work for me. >> I find that when I've tried using Knfb Reader to read menus it usually jumbles things together and I end up not clearly distinguishing the price of the ingredients in the dish to the actual dish which makes this task very confusing with Knfb Reader. I usually end up asking whoever I'm with to read me the menu which is fine with me but I'm just curious how others handle this? >> Thanks. >> Simon. >> Sent from my braille note touch. >> >>> On Oct 27, 2018 9:05 AM, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> Soups can be a little sloppy, so watch that, and be ware of how much salad dressing you put on your salad, and how big the pieces of the salad are. >>> >>> But yes, those items she mentioned are definitely worth consideration because they can be readily accessed without a whole lot of effort. >>> >>> Justin >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L >>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 11:42 PM >>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>> Cc: Jameyanne Fuller >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette >>> >>> I echo what Tara said. Practice on your own until you feel comfortable with it. In the meantime, if you're out to eat in a professional setting, try to get things that you don't have to cut. They don't have to be handheld, but things like pasta, soup, or salad don't necessarily have to be cut. Though twirling spaghetti onto a fork is another matter. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Tara Briggs via NABS-L >>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 6:47 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Cc: Tara Briggs >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette >>> >>> Hey Jason! Welcome to eating as a blind person! We’ve all been there! Probably one of the best things I can do just for you would be to practice when you’re by yourself. He could also start with something like toast and tried cutting up with a knife and fork. Then you can look at what you’re doing. One of the best things you can do is eat small bites! If you lift your fork up and it feels heavy and that might mean at the bite is too big. I hope other people pass on their tips and tricks. I have found that the sharper The knife, the easier it is to cut food. >>> Tara >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Oct 26, 2018, at 4:21 PM, Jason Perenski via NABS-L wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> I hope this is the right place to ask about this. My ability to >>>> gracefully cut food with a fork and knife is abysmal. This is an >>>> uncomfortable situation to discuss since dining is so essential for >>>> social and business situations, and these skills are usually so >>>> incredibly obvious and second nature for most people. I know everyone >>>> struggles with something, but as an otherwise independent and >>>> successful young adult, this topic feels like something I shouldn’t be >>>> stumbling over. >>>> >>>> I don't eat a lot of meat or food that needs to be cut in general, but >>>> I'd like to look professional in more formal social and business >>>> settings now that I'm about to leave college. And frankly, I also >>>> don't want to be the blind person who always orders something handheld >>>> when eating in public. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, no one taught me when I was younger, which is a >>>> widespread problem for blind children. I've read some guides online >>>> about proper table etiquette and how to cut something without looking >>>> like a slob. And I've even bought playdough to practice with. But I'm >>>> still lousy at it. I'm curious if anyone here has other tips or tricks >>>> to get more comfortable and graceful at this. To be as detailed as >>>> possible, here's what sometimes happens: >>>> >>>> 1. I start cutting along the back (convex) portion of the fork, but >>>> I'm only partially successful at separating a bite. I end up with a >>>> tiny bit of meat clinging to the large piece and it's difficult to >>>> tell when I've successfully finished cutting something. This happens a >>>> lot with larger, rounded cuts, where a good edge to start from isn’t >>>> available or obvious. I place the fork in and position the knife along >>>> the back of it, but the thing to be cut extends well past the tines of >>>> the fork to either side. In theory I should easily be able to tell >>>> when the knife scrapes the plate and there's no more meat to cut, but >>>> in practice I'm not always successful at it. >>>> 2. While cutting, I start shifting the thing to be cut around the >>>> plate and, occasionally, start actually sliding the plate around. I >>>> don't know if this has something to do with technique or perhaps even >>>> strength. This happens less and less with experience, but it's still >>>> uncomfortable when it does. >>>> 3. This all becomes a bigger challenge with more complicated dishes >>>> (meat with sauce on top, or plates with several other items). >>>> >>>> Is this something you've ever related to, or is it just me? Were you >>>> taught any alternative techniques that might be helpful? Am I missing >>>> something obvious? Is my technique possibly incorrect? Are there meals >>>> you find easier to handle than others? All of this makes me feel like >>>> a bit of an inept loser for a skill that shouldn't be difficult. If >>>> you have skills or techniques to make this process more seamless and >>>> graceful, I'd love to hear them. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thflute%40gmail.co >>>> m >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>> https://www.avg.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%40gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/1008jmd%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com From jameyanne at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 17:09:42 2018 From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 13:09:42 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette In-Reply-To: <5bd88e3d.1c69fb81.aa668.2de1@mx.google.com> References: <5bd88e3d.1c69fb81.aa668.2de1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <00f701d47073$59a67c60$0cf37520$@gmail.com> If I'm out to eat with family or friends, I'll usually ask someone to read me the menu, since it's less awkward than trying to get KNFB reader or Seeing AI set up to do it on my phone. But if I'm out in a more professional setting, I'll often look up the menu online before I go and read it then and make a decision about what I want to eat. I might ask someone to clarify something if I don't remember, but I find in professional settings it's just smoother if I already know what I want. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of John Dowling via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 1:01 PM To: simon bonenfant via NABS-L Cc: John Dowling <1008jmd at gmail.com> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette Hi Simon, You could always use something like seeing AI or KNFB reader, or, you could use Aira as a guest and ask an agent what's on the menu. On Oct 30, 2018 10:53 AM, simon bonenfant via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Folks. > As I read this thread another question comes to my mind. What have you all done about reading menus when they are not in braille? Most places I go to the restruants do not have braille menus. I've heard of people using knfb reader or Seeing Ai or something else to that effect but that has really never seemed to work for me. > I find that when I've tried using Knfb Reader to read menus it usually jumbles things together and I end up not clearly distinguishing the price of the ingredients in the dish to the actual dish which makes this task very confusing with Knfb Reader. I usually end up asking whoever I'm with to read me the menu which is fine with me but I'm just curious how others handle this? > Thanks. > Simon. > Sent from my braille note touch. > > On Oct 27, 2018 9:05 AM, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: > > > > Soups can be a little sloppy, so watch that, and be ware of how much salad dressing you put on your salad, and how big the pieces of the salad are. > > > > But yes, those items she mentioned are definitely worth consideration because they can be readily accessed without a whole lot of effort. > > > > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > > Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L > > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 11:42 PM > > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > > > > Cc: Jameyanne Fuller > > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette > > > > I echo what Tara said. Practice on your own until you feel comfortable with it. In the meantime, if you're out to eat in a professional setting, try to get things that you don't have to cut. They don't have to be handheld, but things like pasta, soup, or salad don't necessarily have to be cut. Though twirling spaghetti onto a fork is another matter. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Tara Briggs > > via NABS-L > > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 6:47 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > > > Cc: Tara Briggs > > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette > > > > Hey Jason! Welcome to eating as a blind person! We’ve all been there! Probably one of the best things I can do just for you would be to practice when you’re by yourself. He could also start with something like toast and tried cutting up with a knife and fork. Then you can look at what you’re doing. One of the best things you can do is eat small bites! If you lift your fork up and it feels heavy and that might mean at the bite is too big. I hope other people pass on their tips and tricks. I have found that the sharper The knife, the easier it is to cut food. > > Tara > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Oct 26, 2018, at 4:21 PM, Jason Perenski via NABS-L wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > I hope this is the right place to ask about this. My ability to > > > gracefully cut food with a fork and knife is abysmal. This is an > > > uncomfortable situation to discuss since dining is so essential > > > for social and business situations, and these skills are usually > > > so incredibly obvious and second nature for most people. I know > > > everyone struggles with something, but as an otherwise independent > > > and successful young adult, this topic feels like something I > > > shouldn’t be stumbling over. > > > > > > I don't eat a lot of meat or food that needs to be cut in general, > > > but I'd like to look professional in more formal social and > > > business settings now that I'm about to leave college. And > > > frankly, I also don't want to be the blind person who always > > > orders something handheld when eating in public. > > > > > > Unfortunately, no one taught me when I was younger, which is a > > > widespread problem for blind children. I've read some guides > > > online about proper table etiquette and how to cut something > > > without looking like a slob. And I've even bought playdough to > > > practice with. But I'm still lousy at it. I'm curious if anyone > > > here has other tips or tricks to get more comfortable and graceful > > > at this. To be as detailed as possible, here's what sometimes happens: > > > > > > 1. I start cutting along the back (convex) portion of the fork, > > > but I'm only partially successful at separating a bite. I end up > > > with a tiny bit of meat clinging to the large piece and it's > > > difficult to tell when I've successfully finished cutting > > > something. This happens a lot with larger, rounded cuts, where a > > > good edge to start from isn’t available or obvious. I place the > > > fork in and position the knife along the back of it, but the thing > > > to be cut extends well past the tines of the fork to either side. > > > In theory I should easily be able to tell when the knife scrapes > > > the plate and there's no more meat to cut, but in practice I'm not always successful at it. > > > 2. While cutting, I start shifting the thing to be cut around the > > > plate and, occasionally, start actually sliding the plate around. > > > I don't know if this has something to do with technique or perhaps > > > even strength. This happens less and less with experience, but > > > it's still uncomfortable when it does. > > > 3. This all becomes a bigger challenge with more complicated > > > dishes (meat with sauce on top, or plates with several other items). > > > > > > Is this something you've ever related to, or is it just me? Were > > > you taught any alternative techniques that might be helpful? Am I > > > missing something obvious? Is my technique possibly incorrect? Are > > > there meals you find easier to handle than others? All of this > > > makes me feel like a bit of an inept loser for a skill that > > > shouldn't be difficult. If you have skills or techniques to make > > > this process more seamless and graceful, I'd love to hear them. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > NABS-L mailing list > > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thflute%40gmai > > > l.co > > > m > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmai > > l.com > > > > --- > > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > > https://www.avg.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2 > > %40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%40gm > > ail.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/1008jmd%40gmail.co > m _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com From cape.amanda at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 17:10:41 2018 From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (Amanda Cape) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 13:10:41 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette In-Reply-To: References: <5bd88e3d.1c69fb81.aa668.2de1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I do much the same as Miso. Miso, when you use Aira to read the menu, do you ask them to go category by category as well? Thanks, Amanda On 10/30/18, Miso Kwak via NABS-L wrote: > I have used Aira at times, which was great. When I am with family or > friends, however, I would ask them for their help. I usually start by > asking them to read categories of the menu, and narrow down what I > want to know more about. > If I am by myself or with blind people, I would use Aira, look up the > menu online, or ask the restaurant staff for help. > > Miso > > On 10/30/18, John Dowling via NABS-L wrote: >> Hi Simon, >> You could always use something like seeing AI or KNFB reader, or, you >> could >> use Aira as a guest and ask an agent what's on the menu. >> >> On Oct 30, 2018 10:53 AM, simon bonenfant via NABS-L >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Folks. >>> As I read this thread another question comes to my mind. What have you >>> all done about reading menus when they are not in braille? Most places I >>> go to the restruants do not have braille menus. I've heard of people >>> using >>> knfb reader or Seeing Ai or something else to that effect but that has >>> really never seemed to work for me. >>> I find that when I've tried using Knfb Reader to read menus it usually >>> jumbles things together and I end up not clearly distinguishing the price >>> of the ingredients in the dish to the actual dish which makes this task >>> very confusing with Knfb Reader. I usually end up asking whoever I'm with >>> to read me the menu which is fine with me but I'm just curious how others >>> handle this? >>> Thanks. >>> Simon. >>> Sent from my braille note touch. >>> >>> On Oct 27, 2018 9:05 AM, Justin Williams via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Soups can be a little sloppy, so watch that, and be ware of how much >>> > salad dressing you put on your salad, and how big the pieces of the >>> > salad are. >>> > >>> > But yes, those items she mentioned are definitely worth consideration >>> > because they can be readily accessed without a whole lot of effort. >>> > >>> > Justin >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jameyanne >>> > Fuller via NABS-L >>> > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 11:42 PM >>> > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>> > >>> > Cc: Jameyanne Fuller >>> > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette >>> > >>> > I echo what Tara said. Practice on your own until you feel comfortable >>> > with it. In the meantime, if you're out to eat in a professional >>> > setting, try to get things that you don't have to cut. They don't have >>> > to be handheld, but things like pasta, soup, or salad don't necessarily >>> > have to be cut. Though twirling spaghetti onto a fork is another >>> > matter. >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Tara Briggs via >>> > NABS-L >>> > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 6:47 PM >>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> > >>> > Cc: Tara Briggs >>> > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette >>> > >>> > Hey Jason! Welcome to eating as a blind person! We’ve all been there! >>> > Probably one of the best things I can do just for you would be to >>> > practice when you’re by yourself. He could also start with something >>> > like toast and tried cutting up with a knife and fork. Then you can >>> > look >>> > at what you’re doing. One of the best things you can do is eat small >>> > bites! If you lift your fork up and it feels heavy and that might mean >>> > at the bite is too big. I hope other people pass on their tips and >>> > tricks. I have found that the sharper The knife, the easier it is to >>> > cut food. >>> > Tara >>> > >>> > Sent from my iPhone >>> > >>> > > On Oct 26, 2018, at 4:21 PM, Jason Perenski via NABS-L >>> > > wrote: >>> > > >>> > > Hi, >>> > > I hope this is the right place to ask about this. My ability to >>> > > gracefully cut food with a fork and knife is abysmal. This is an >>> > > uncomfortable situation to discuss since dining is so essential for >>> > > social and business situations, and these skills are usually so >>> > > incredibly obvious and second nature for most people. I know everyone >>> > > struggles with something, but as an otherwise independent and >>> > > successful young adult, this topic feels like something I shouldn’t >>> > > be >>> > > >>> > > stumbling over. >>> > > >>> > > I don't eat a lot of meat or food that needs to be cut in general, >>> > > but >>> > > >>> > > I'd like to look professional in more formal social and business >>> > > settings now that I'm about to leave college. And frankly, I also >>> > > don't want to be the blind person who always orders something >>> > > handheld >>> > > >>> > > when eating in public. >>> > > >>> > > Unfortunately, no one taught me when I was younger, which is a >>> > > widespread problem for blind children. I've read some guides online >>> > > about proper table etiquette and how to cut something without looking >>> > > like a slob. And I've even bought playdough to practice with. But I'm >>> > > still lousy at it. I'm curious if anyone here has other tips or >>> > > tricks >>> > > >>> > > to get more comfortable and graceful at this. To be as detailed as >>> > > possible, here's what sometimes happens: >>> > > >>> > > 1. I start cutting along the back (convex) portion of the fork, but >>> > > I'm only partially successful at separating a bite. I end up with a >>> > > tiny bit of meat clinging to the large piece and it's difficult to >>> > > tell when I've successfully finished cutting something. This happens >>> > > a >>> > > >>> > > lot with larger, rounded cuts, where a good edge to start from isn’t >>> > > available or obvious. I place the fork in and position the knife >>> > > along >>> > > >>> > > the back of it, but the thing to be cut extends well past the tines >>> > > of >>> > > >>> > > the fork to either side. In theory I should easily be able to tell >>> > > when the knife scrapes the plate and there's no more meat to cut, but >>> > > in practice I'm not always successful at it. >>> > > 2. While cutting, I start shifting the thing to be cut around the >>> > > plate and, occasionally, start actually sliding the plate around. I >>> > > don't know if this has something to do with technique or perhaps even >>> > > strength. This happens less and less with experience, but it's still >>> > > uncomfortable when it does. >>> > > 3. This all becomes a bigger challenge with more complicated dishes >>> > > (meat with sauce on top, or plates with several other items). >>> > > >>> > > Is this something you've ever related to, or is it just me? Were you >>> > > taught any alternative techniques that might be helpful? Am I missing >>> > > something obvious? Is my technique possibly incorrect? Are there >>> > > meals >>> > > >>> > > you find easier to handle than others? All of this makes me feel like >>> > > a bit of an inept loser for a skill that shouldn't be difficult. If >>> > > you have skills or techniques to make this process more seamless and >>> > > graceful, I'd love to hear them. >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > NABS-L mailing list >>> > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > > NABS-L: >>> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thflute%40gmail.co >>> > > m >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > NABS-L mailing list >>> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > NABS-L: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com >>> > >>> > --- >>> > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>> > https://www.avg.com >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > NABS-L mailing list >>> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > NABS-L: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > NABS-L mailing list >>> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > NABS-L: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%40gmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/1008jmd%40gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/misokwak12%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com > -- Amanda From braillemasterjustin at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 18:32:35 2018 From: braillemasterjustin at gmail.com (Justin Heard) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 14:32:35 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Question About Microsoft Excel and Access In-Reply-To: References: <466efa01-c12d-fbc9-b6dc-63e945ceae41@gmail.com> <76E8D522-F3DB-44BA-8FD2-61ADB7A6E491@gmail.com> Message-ID: <564aea46-698c-da9b-3da3-cb8faec22fc1@gmail.com> Unfortunately, none of these are working for me. And I'm having trouble using Access in general. For example, in the Design Table view, I can't see what type of field I'm choosing until after I choose it, and then I have to remember how many times I arrowed down to that one so I can arrow down one more for the next one. For example, if the one I choose is currency and I arrowed down 7 times to get there, I have to arrow down 8 times and hit escape to see what the next option is. Beyond that, every time I go to choose, I have to go through an error dialog that insists that the data entered is invalid. I went on Microsoft's website, and that didn't help much either. Any advice? On 10/29/2018 4:43 PM, Roger Newell via NABS-L wrote: > Yes, that works, and another one which may be faster when you're using > JAWS is CTRL+SHIFT+S. > > On 10/30/18, Jonathan Zobek via NABS-L wrote: >> Hello. >> >> If you mean switching between two spreadsheets in a specific workbook, try >> control and PageUp or PageDown while using JAWS. I am not sure about NVDA. >> >> Hope this helps, >> Jonathan >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Oct 29, 2018, at 15:41, Justin Heard via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hey guys. >>> >>> Does anyone know the JAWS or NVDA keystroke for switching between >>> spreadsheets in excel? I can't find one for switching between tables in >>> Access as well. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jrzobek%40gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/inscriptioelectronicaaustralia%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/braillemasterjustin%40gmail.com From santiago.blue.hernandez at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 18:40:02 2018 From: santiago.blue.hernandez at gmail.com (Santiago H) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 11:40:02 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Question About Microsoft Excel and Access In-Reply-To: <564aea46-698c-da9b-3da3-cb8faec22fc1@gmail.com> References: <466efa01-c12d-fbc9-b6dc-63e945ceae41@gmail.com> <76E8D522-F3DB-44BA-8FD2-61ADB7A6E491@gmail.com> <564aea46-698c-da9b-3da3-cb8faec22fc1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2E3C5A2D-61CE-494F-A4CF-6888422EDC5E@gmail.com> Do you have the latest version of Microsoft Office? They seem to update it often which includes accessibility fixes. I’ve experienced similar bugs to that before, although not recently. > On Oct 30, 2018, at 11:32 AM, Justin Heard via NABS-L wrote: > > Unfortunately, none of these are working for me. And I'm having trouble using Access in general. For example, in the Design Table view, I can't see what type of field I'm choosing until after I choose it, and then I have to remember how many times I arrowed down to that one so I can arrow down one more for the next one. For example, if the one I choose is currency and I arrowed down 7 times to get there, I have to arrow down 8 times and hit escape to see what the next option is. Beyond that, every time I go to choose, I have to go through an error dialog that insists that the data entered is invalid. > > I went on Microsoft's website, and that didn't help much either. > > Any advice? > > On 10/29/2018 4:43 PM, Roger Newell via NABS-L wrote: >> Yes, that works, and another one which may be faster when you're using >> JAWS is CTRL+SHIFT+S. >> >> On 10/30/18, Jonathan Zobek via NABS-L wrote: >>> Hello. >>> >>> If you mean switching between two spreadsheets in a specific workbook, try >>> control and PageUp or PageDown while using JAWS. I am not sure about NVDA. >>> >>> Hope this helps, >>> Jonathan >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Oct 29, 2018, at 15:41, Justin Heard via NABS-L >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey guys. >>>> >>>> Does anyone know the JAWS or NVDA keystroke for switching between >>>> spreadsheets in excel? I can't find one for switching between tables in >>>> Access as well. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jrzobek%40gmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/inscriptioelectronicaaustralia%40gmail.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/braillemasterjustin%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/santiago.blue.hernandez%40gmail.com From braillemasterjustin at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 19:44:36 2018 From: braillemasterjustin at gmail.com (Justin Heard) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 15:44:36 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Question About Microsoft Excel and Access In-Reply-To: <2E3C5A2D-61CE-494F-A4CF-6888422EDC5E@gmail.com> References: <466efa01-c12d-fbc9-b6dc-63e945ceae41@gmail.com> <76E8D522-F3DB-44BA-8FD2-61ADB7A6E491@gmail.com> <564aea46-698c-da9b-3da3-cb8faec22fc1@gmail.com> <2E3C5A2D-61CE-494F-A4CF-6888422EDC5E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <993e0012-77d2-c988-e74b-66d573fbe632@gmail.com> Here's the version I have. 17.10314.31700.1000 On 10/30/2018 2:40 PM, Santiago H via NABS-L wrote: > Do you have the latest version of Microsoft Office? They seem to update it often which includes accessibility fixes. I’ve experienced similar bugs to that before, although not recently. > >> On Oct 30, 2018, at 11:32 AM, Justin Heard via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Unfortunately, none of these are working for me. And I'm having trouble using Access in general. For example, in the Design Table view, I can't see what type of field I'm choosing until after I choose it, and then I have to remember how many times I arrowed down to that one so I can arrow down one more for the next one. For example, if the one I choose is currency and I arrowed down 7 times to get there, I have to arrow down 8 times and hit escape to see what the next option is. Beyond that, every time I go to choose, I have to go through an error dialog that insists that the data entered is invalid. >> >> I went on Microsoft's website, and that didn't help much either. >> >> Any advice? >> >> On 10/29/2018 4:43 PM, Roger Newell via NABS-L wrote: >>> Yes, that works, and another one which may be faster when you're using >>> JAWS is CTRL+SHIFT+S. >>> >>> On 10/30/18, Jonathan Zobek via NABS-L wrote: >>>> Hello. >>>> >>>> If you mean switching between two spreadsheets in a specific workbook, try >>>> control and PageUp or PageDown while using JAWS. I am not sure about NVDA. >>>> >>>> Hope this helps, >>>> Jonathan >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>>> On Oct 29, 2018, at 15:41, Justin Heard via NABS-L >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hey guys. >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone know the JAWS or NVDA keystroke for switching between >>>>> spreadsheets in excel? I can't find one for switching between tables in >>>>> Access as well. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jrzobek%40gmail.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/inscriptioelectronicaaustralia%40gmail.com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/braillemasterjustin%40gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/santiago.blue.hernandez%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/braillemasterjustin%40gmail.com From steve.jacobson at visi.com Tue Oct 30 20:05:35 2018 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 15:05:35 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Question About Microsoft Excel and Access In-Reply-To: <564aea46-698c-da9b-3da3-cb8faec22fc1@gmail.com> References: <466efa01-c12d-fbc9-b6dc-63e945ceae41@gmail.com> <76E8D522-F3DB-44BA-8FD2-61ADB7A6E491@gmail.com> <564aea46-698c-da9b-3da3-cb8faec22fc1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004c01d4708b$ec0e9250$c42bb6f0$@visi.com> Justin, It might be worth bringing this question to the NFBCS list on NFBNET. I know there are some Access users, there, but you are not the only one who gets frustrated with access. I have not been in Microsoft Access for a while, but if you use JAWS and for the short run, be sure to try JAWS KEY and Up Arrow when in the field type choices. I have found that sometimes that reads the current item even when JAWS doesn't read the current item automatically when pressing UP or DOWN ARROW. Another thing that can work is to temporarily set what is spoken to "ALL" using JAWS KEY and s. This will speak too much, but sometimes you will hear the item that became not selected followed by the new item that is selected. Sometimes pressing the first letter of the desired choice will get you there as well, but I can't say for sure that will work in the case you are describing. Check to see if your virtual cursor is on and if it is try turning it off with JAWS KEY and z. The virtual cursor and related features sometimes are used in cases other than web pages. It is probably worth making sure you have any enhanced scripts that might be available. If you are going to do a lot with Access, getting to the most recent version will probably be worth it in the long run. Best regards, Steve Jacobson -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Justin Heard via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 1:33 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Justin Heard Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Question About Microsoft Excel and Access Unfortunately, none of these are working for me. And I'm having trouble using Access in general. For example, in the Design Table view, I can't see what type of field I'm choosing until after I choose it, and then I have to remember how many times I arrowed down to that one so I can arrow down one more for the next one. For example, if the one I choose is currency and I arrowed down 7 times to get there, I have to arrow down 8 times and hit escape to see what the next option is. Beyond that, every time I go to choose, I have to go through an error dialog that insists that the data entered is invalid. I went on Microsoft's website, and that didn't help much either. Any advice? On 10/29/2018 4:43 PM, Roger Newell via NABS-L wrote: > Yes, that works, and another one which may be faster when you're using > JAWS is CTRL+SHIFT+S. > > On 10/30/18, Jonathan Zobek via NABS-L wrote: >> Hello. >> >> If you mean switching between two spreadsheets in a specific >> workbook, try control and PageUp or PageDown while using JAWS. I am not sure about NVDA. >> >> Hope this helps, >> Jonathan >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Oct 29, 2018, at 15:41, Justin Heard via NABS-L >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hey guys. >>> >>> Does anyone know the JAWS or NVDA keystroke for switching between >>> spreadsheets in excel? I can't find one for switching between tables >>> in Access as well. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jrzobek%40gmail. >>> com >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/inscriptioelectro >> nicaaustralia%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/braillemasterjusti > n%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.co m From awildheir at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 20:41:31 2018 From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 16:41:31 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Question about SPSS In-Reply-To: <3A22BD19-1268-4D01-B11A-5A70277837A8@gmail.com> References: <3A22BD19-1268-4D01-B11A-5A70277837A8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9509DE93-CAFD-4AE8-A762-CCB20EC18143@gmail.com> You could always try fusion. It is both ZoomText and JAWS in one program. Aimee Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 11, 2018, at 2:49 PM, Santiago H via NABS-L wrote: > > You could try using JAWS to see if it’s accessible if screen magnification software such as ZoomText on Windows or Zoom on the Mac aren’t good enough solutions. ZoomText seems to work well with JAWS, so you can have both running at the same time without any issues. > > > >> On Oct 11, 2018, at 11:33 AM, Johna Wright via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hey, friends! >> >> I am currently in a research methods and statistics psychology course, and the program that we use for data entry is SPSS. This is used department-wide so changing to a different program isn’t an option. However, I am having issues with accessibility. My advisor and I have figured out how to enlarge font sizes for variable view, data view, and syntax, but there isn’t an option to enlarge the menu buttons. Is there anything else we can do to make the program more accessible? Should I try using JAWS? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Johna Wright >> Vice President, National Federation of the Blind Community Service Division >> Social Media Chair, National Association of Blind Students >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/santiago.blue.hernandez%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com From braillemasterjustin at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 20:46:41 2018 From: braillemasterjustin at gmail.com (Justin Heard) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 16:46:41 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Question About Microsoft Excel and Access In-Reply-To: <004c01d4708b$ec0e9250$c42bb6f0$@visi.com> References: <466efa01-c12d-fbc9-b6dc-63e945ceae41@gmail.com> <76E8D522-F3DB-44BA-8FD2-61ADB7A6E491@gmail.com> <564aea46-698c-da9b-3da3-cb8faec22fc1@gmail.com> <004c01d4708b$ec0e9250$c42bb6f0$@visi.com> Message-ID: Thank you for the response. I'm trying to get through this for a core class, so I doubt I will stay in this for long after I submit the final project. I will try your tips. On 10/30/2018 4:05 PM, Steve Jacobson via NABS-L wrote: > Justin, > > It might be worth bringing this question to the NFBCS list on NFBNET. I > know there are some Access users, there, but you are not the only one who > gets frustrated with access. > > I have not been in Microsoft Access for a while, but if you use JAWS and for > the short run, be sure to try JAWS KEY and Up Arrow when in the field type > choices. I have found that sometimes that reads the current item even when > JAWS doesn't read the current item automatically when pressing UP or DOWN > ARROW. Another thing that can work is to temporarily set what is spoken to > "ALL" using JAWS KEY and s. This will speak too much, but sometimes you > will hear the item that became not selected followed by the new item that is > selected. Sometimes pressing the first letter of the desired choice will > get you there as well, but I can't say for sure that will work in the case > you are describing. Check to see if your virtual cursor is on and if it is > try turning it off with JAWS KEY and z. The virtual cursor and related > features sometimes are used in cases other than web pages. > > It is probably worth making sure you have any enhanced scripts that might be > available. If you are going to do a lot with Access, getting to the most > recent version will probably be worth it in the long run. > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Justin Heard via > NABS-L > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 1:33 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Justin Heard > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Question About Microsoft Excel and Access > > Unfortunately, none of these are working for me. And I'm having trouble > using Access in general. For example, in the Design Table view, I can't see > what type of field I'm choosing until after I choose it, and then I have to > remember how many times I arrowed down to that one so I can arrow down one > more for the next one. For example, if the one I choose is currency and I > arrowed down 7 times to get there, I have to arrow down 8 times and hit > escape to see what the next option is. Beyond that, every time I go to > choose, I have to go through an error dialog that insists that the data > entered is invalid. > > I went on Microsoft's website, and that didn't help much either. > > Any advice? > > On 10/29/2018 4:43 PM, Roger Newell via NABS-L wrote: >> Yes, that works, and another one which may be faster when you're using >> JAWS is CTRL+SHIFT+S. >> >> On 10/30/18, Jonathan Zobek via NABS-L wrote: >>> Hello. >>> >>> If you mean switching between two spreadsheets in a specific >>> workbook, try control and PageUp or PageDown while using JAWS. I am not > sure about NVDA. >>> Hope this helps, >>> Jonathan >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Oct 29, 2018, at 15:41, Justin Heard via NABS-L >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey guys. >>>> >>>> Does anyone know the JAWS or NVDA keystroke for switching between >>>> spreadsheets in excel? I can't find one for switching between tables >>>> in Access as well. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jrzobek%40gmail. >>>> com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/inscriptioelectro >>> nicaaustralia%40gmail.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/braillemasterjusti >> n%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.co > m > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/braillemasterjustin%40gmail.com From awildheir at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 20:49:16 2018 From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 16:49:16 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Receiving My Mail In Braille In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Another option that is free is Seeing AI. It is pretty good. I use it first and if I run into issues, I use KNFB. I think we should ask for braille as much as we want though. If nobody asks about it, it won’t become more available. Aimee Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 7, 2018, at 5:40 PM, Roger Newell via NABS-L wrote: > > If you are able to read emails (which doesn't seem out of the question > based on this mode of communication) then why not choose the simpler > option for both you and them? > >> On 10/7/18, Armando Vias via NABS-L wrote: >> Hey. >> So, yesterday, I signed up for the Hilton Honors Program. They asked for my >> mailing address. I wondered if they can snail-mail me information in Braille >> so my family doesn't have to read it to me. I called them a few minutes ago >> and they said that they send out promotions via email. I was wondering if >> there is a way that I can receive all of my postal mail in Braille. Should I >> contact every company that I sign up with to accommodate me? >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/inscriptioelectronicaaustralia%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com From inscriptioelectronicaaustralia at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 20:50:11 2018 From: inscriptioelectronicaaustralia at gmail.com (Roger Newell) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2018 07:50:11 +1100 Subject: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette In-Reply-To: <5bd87083.1c69fb81.46686.9803@mx.google.com> References: <5bd87083.1c69fb81.46686.9803@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I usually either look at the menu on the restaurant's website or ask one of the people with whom I am dining to read the menu to me. If you are alone or with other blind people, you could always ask a waiter. When I ask for the menu to be read to me, like other people have said, I ask them if they can summarize what is in each category. Some options that others have not said are to use the Menu feature in BlindSquare, or to look for the restaurant's menu on a restaurant aggregator site. On 10/31/18, simon bonenfant via NABS-L wrote: > Hi Folks. > As I read this thread another question comes to my mind. What have you all > done about reading menus when they are not in braille? Most places I go to > the restruants do not have braille menus. I've heard of people using knfb > reader or Seeing Ai or something else to that effect but that has really > never seemed to work for me. > I find that when I've tried using Knfb Reader to read menus it usually > jumbles things together and I end up not clearly distinguishing the price of > the ingredients in the dish to the actual dish which makes this task very > confusing with Knfb Reader. I usually end up asking whoever I'm with to read > me the menu which is fine with me but I'm just curious how others handle > this? > Thanks. > Simon. > Sent from my braille note touch. > > On Oct 27, 2018 9:05 AM, Justin Williams via NABS-L > wrote: >> >> Soups can be a little sloppy, so watch that, and be ware of how much salad >> dressing you put on your salad, and how big the pieces of the salad are. >> >> But yes, those items she mentioned are definitely worth consideration >> because they can be readily accessed without a whole lot of effort. >> >> Justin >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jameyanne >> Fuller via NABS-L >> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 11:42 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> >> Cc: Jameyanne Fuller >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette >> >> I echo what Tara said. Practice on your own until you feel comfortable >> with it. In the meantime, if you're out to eat in a professional setting, >> try to get things that you don't have to cut. They don't have to be >> handheld, but things like pasta, soup, or salad don't necessarily have to >> be cut. Though twirling spaghetti onto a fork is another matter. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Tara Briggs via >> NABS-L >> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 6:47 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Tara Briggs >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette >> >> Hey Jason! Welcome to eating as a blind person! We’ve all been there! >> Probably one of the best things I can do just for you would be to practice >> when you’re by yourself. He could also start with something like toast and >> tried cutting up with a knife and fork. Then you can look at what you’re >> doing. One of the best things you can do is eat small bites! If you lift >> your fork up and it feels heavy and that might mean at the bite is too >> big. I hope other people pass on their tips and tricks. I have found that >> the sharper The knife, the easier it is to cut food. >> Tara >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Oct 26, 2018, at 4:21 PM, Jason Perenski via NABS-L >> > wrote: >> > >> > Hi, >> > I hope this is the right place to ask about this. My ability to >> > gracefully cut food with a fork and knife is abysmal. This is an >> > uncomfortable situation to discuss since dining is so essential for >> > social and business situations, and these skills are usually so >> > incredibly obvious and second nature for most people. I know everyone >> > struggles with something, but as an otherwise independent and >> > successful young adult, this topic feels like something I shouldn’t be >> > stumbling over. >> > >> > I don't eat a lot of meat or food that needs to be cut in general, but >> > I'd like to look professional in more formal social and business >> > settings now that I'm about to leave college. And frankly, I also >> > don't want to be the blind person who always orders something handheld >> > when eating in public. >> > >> > Unfortunately, no one taught me when I was younger, which is a >> > widespread problem for blind children. I've read some guides online >> > about proper table etiquette and how to cut something without looking >> > like a slob. And I've even bought playdough to practice with. But I'm >> > still lousy at it. I'm curious if anyone here has other tips or tricks >> > to get more comfortable and graceful at this. To be as detailed as >> > possible, here's what sometimes happens: >> > >> > 1. I start cutting along the back (convex) portion of the fork, but >> > I'm only partially successful at separating a bite. I end up with a >> > tiny bit of meat clinging to the large piece and it's difficult to >> > tell when I've successfully finished cutting something. This happens a >> > lot with larger, rounded cuts, where a good edge to start from isn’t >> > available or obvious. I place the fork in and position the knife along >> > the back of it, but the thing to be cut extends well past the tines of >> > the fork to either side. In theory I should easily be able to tell >> > when the knife scrapes the plate and there's no more meat to cut, but >> > in practice I'm not always successful at it. >> > 2. While cutting, I start shifting the thing to be cut around the >> > plate and, occasionally, start actually sliding the plate around. I >> > don't know if this has something to do with technique or perhaps even >> > strength. This happens less and less with experience, but it's still >> > uncomfortable when it does. >> > 3. This all becomes a bigger challenge with more complicated dishes >> > (meat with sauce on top, or plates with several other items). >> > >> > Is this something you've ever related to, or is it just me? Were you >> > taught any alternative techniques that might be helpful? Am I missing >> > something obvious? Is my technique possibly incorrect? Are there meals >> > you find easier to handle than others? All of this makes me feel like >> > a bit of an inept loser for a skill that shouldn't be difficult. If >> > you have skills or techniques to make this process more seamless and >> > graceful, I'd love to hear them. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > NABS-L mailing list >> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > NABS-L: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thflute%40gmail.co >> > m >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> https://www.avg.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/inscriptioelectronicaaustralia%40gmail.com > From inscriptioelectronicaaustralia at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 20:53:20 2018 From: inscriptioelectronicaaustralia at gmail.com (Roger Newell) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2018 07:53:20 +1100 Subject: [NABS-L] Receiving My Mail In Braille In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Personally, I would rather receive something sooner than having to wait for it to be brailled. I always stress that email is the best method of communication, particularly if I am receiving mail from someone for whom sending the document electronically would be far simpler and probably also more accessible. On 10/31/18, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L wrote: > Another option that is free is Seeing AI. It is pretty good. I use it first > and if I run into issues, I use KNFB. I think we should ask for braille as > much as we want though. If nobody asks about it, it won’t become more > available. > > Aimee > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 7, 2018, at 5:40 PM, Roger Newell via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> If you are able to read emails (which doesn't seem out of the question >> based on this mode of communication) then why not choose the simpler >> option for both you and them? >> >>> On 10/7/18, Armando Vias via NABS-L wrote: >>> Hey. >>> So, yesterday, I signed up for the Hilton Honors Program. They asked for >>> my >>> mailing address. I wondered if they can snail-mail me information in >>> Braille >>> so my family doesn't have to read it to me. I called them a few minutes >>> ago >>> and they said that they send out promotions via email. I was wondering if >>> there is a way that I can receive all of my postal mail in Braille. >>> Should I >>> contact every company that I sign up with to accommodate me? >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/inscriptioelectronicaaustralia%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/inscriptioelectronicaaustralia%40gmail.com > From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 21:44:35 2018 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 17:44:35 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette In-Reply-To: <00f701d47073$59a67c60$0cf37520$@gmail.com> References: <5bd88e3d.1c69fb81.aa668.2de1@mx.google.com> <00f701d47073$59a67c60$0cf37520$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <025b01d47099$c2d56860$48803920$@gmail.com> If possible in a professional setting, I'll have an idea before I go there. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 1:10 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Jameyanne Fuller Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette If I'm out to eat with family or friends, I'll usually ask someone to read me the menu, since it's less awkward than trying to get KNFB reader or Seeing AI set up to do it on my phone. But if I'm out in a more professional setting, I'll often look up the menu online before I go and read it then and make a decision about what I want to eat. I might ask someone to clarify something if I don't remember, but I find in professional settings it's just smoother if I already know what I want. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of John Dowling via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 1:01 PM To: simon bonenfant via NABS-L Cc: John Dowling <1008jmd at gmail.com> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette Hi Simon, You could always use something like seeing AI or KNFB reader, or, you could use Aira as a guest and ask an agent what's on the menu. On Oct 30, 2018 10:53 AM, simon bonenfant via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Folks. > As I read this thread another question comes to my mind. What have you all done about reading menus when they are not in braille? Most places I go to the restruants do not have braille menus. I've heard of people using knfb reader or Seeing Ai or something else to that effect but that has really never seemed to work for me. > I find that when I've tried using Knfb Reader to read menus it usually jumbles things together and I end up not clearly distinguishing the price of the ingredients in the dish to the actual dish which makes this task very confusing with Knfb Reader. I usually end up asking whoever I'm with to read me the menu which is fine with me but I'm just curious how others handle this? > Thanks. > Simon. > Sent from my braille note touch. > > On Oct 27, 2018 9:05 AM, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: > > > > Soups can be a little sloppy, so watch that, and be ware of how much salad dressing you put on your salad, and how big the pieces of the salad are. > > > > But yes, those items she mentioned are definitely worth consideration because they can be readily accessed without a whole lot of effort. > > > > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > > Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L > > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 11:42 PM > > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > > > > Cc: Jameyanne Fuller > > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette > > > > I echo what Tara said. Practice on your own until you feel comfortable with it. In the meantime, if you're out to eat in a professional setting, try to get things that you don't have to cut. They don't have to be handheld, but things like pasta, soup, or salad don't necessarily have to be cut. Though twirling spaghetti onto a fork is another matter. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Tara Briggs > > via NABS-L > > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 6:47 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > > > Cc: Tara Briggs > > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette > > > > Hey Jason! Welcome to eating as a blind person! We’ve all been there! Probably one of the best things I can do just for you would be to practice when you’re by yourself. He could also start with something like toast and tried cutting up with a knife and fork. Then you can look at what you’re doing. One of the best things you can do is eat small bites! If you lift your fork up and it feels heavy and that might mean at the bite is too big. I hope other people pass on their tips and tricks. I have found that the sharper The knife, the easier it is to cut food. > > Tara > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Oct 26, 2018, at 4:21 PM, Jason Perenski via NABS-L wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > I hope this is the right place to ask about this. My ability to > > > gracefully cut food with a fork and knife is abysmal. This is an > > > uncomfortable situation to discuss since dining is so essential > > > for social and business situations, and these skills are usually > > > so incredibly obvious and second nature for most people. I know > > > everyone struggles with something, but as an otherwise independent > > > and successful young adult, this topic feels like something I > > > shouldn’t be stumbling over. > > > > > > I don't eat a lot of meat or food that needs to be cut in general, > > > but I'd like to look professional in more formal social and > > > business settings now that I'm about to leave college. And > > > frankly, I also don't want to be the blind person who always > > > orders something handheld when eating in public. > > > > > > Unfortunately, no one taught me when I was younger, which is a > > > widespread problem for blind children. I've read some guides > > > online about proper table etiquette and how to cut something > > > without looking like a slob. And I've even bought playdough to > > > practice with. But I'm still lousy at it. I'm curious if anyone > > > here has other tips or tricks to get more comfortable and graceful > > > at this. To be as detailed as possible, here's what sometimes happens: > > > > > > 1. I start cutting along the back (convex) portion of the fork, > > > but I'm only partially successful at separating a bite. I end up > > > with a tiny bit of meat clinging to the large piece and it's > > > difficult to tell when I've successfully finished cutting > > > something. This happens a lot with larger, rounded cuts, where a > > > good edge to start from isn’t available or obvious. I place the > > > fork in and position the knife along the back of it, but the thing > > > to be cut extends well past the tines of the fork to either side. > > > In theory I should easily be able to tell when the knife scrapes > > > the plate and there's no more meat to cut, but in practice I'm not always successful at it. > > > 2. While cutting, I start shifting the thing to be cut around the > > > plate and, occasionally, start actually sliding the plate around. > > > I don't know if this has something to do with technique or perhaps > > > even strength. This happens less and less with experience, but > > > it's still uncomfortable when it does. > > > 3. This all becomes a bigger challenge with more complicated > > > dishes (meat with sauce on top, or plates with several other items). > > > > > > Is this something you've ever related to, or is it just me? Were > > > you taught any alternative techniques that might be helpful? Am I > > > missing something obvious? Is my technique possibly incorrect? Are > > > there meals you find easier to handle than others? All of this > > > makes me feel like a bit of an inept loser for a skill that > > > shouldn't be difficult. If you have skills or techniques to make > > > this process more seamless and graceful, I'd love to hear them. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > NABS-L mailing list > > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thflute%40gmai > > > l.co > > > m > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmai > > l.com > > > > --- > > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > > https://www.avg.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2 > > %40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%40gm > > ail.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/1008jmd%40gmail.co > m _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com From carlymih at comcast.net Tue Oct 30 23:18:36 2018 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 16:18:36 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette In-Reply-To: <5bd88e3d.1c69fb81.aa668.2de1@mx.google.com> References: <5bd88e3d.1c69fb81.aa668.2de1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: It's easy, just ask the waiter! At 10:00 AM 10/30/2018, John Dowling via NABS-L wrote: >Hi Simon, You could always use something like >seeing AI or KNFB reader, or, you could use Aira >as a guest and ask an agent what's on the menu. >On Oct 30, 2018 10:53 AM, simon bonenfant via >NABS-L wrote: > > Hi >Folks. > As I read this thread another >question comes to my mind. What have you all >done about reading menus when they are not in >braille? Most places I go to the restruants do >not have braille menus. I've heard of people >using knfb reader or Seeing Ai or something else >to that effect but that has really never seemed >to work for me. > I find that when I've tried >using Knfb Reader to read menus it usually >jumbles things together and I end up not clearly >distinguishing the price of the ingredients in >the dish to the actual dish which makes this >task very confusing with Knfb Reader. I usually >end up asking whoever I'm with to read me the >menu which is fine with me but I'm just curious >how others handle this? > Thanks. > Simon. > >Sent from my braille note touch. > > On Oct 27, >2018 9:05 AM, Justin Williams via NABS-L > wrote: > > > > Soups can be >a little sloppy, so watch that, and be ware of >how much salad dressing you put on your salad, >and how big the pieces of the salad are. > > > > >But yes, those items she mentioned are >definitely worth consideration because they can >be readily accessed without a whole lot of >effort. > > > > Justin > > -----Original >Message----- > > From: NABS-L >[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L > > Sent: Friday, >October 26, 2018 11:42 PM > > To: 'National >Association of Blind Students mailing list' > > > Cc: Jameyanne Fuller > > > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] >Dining Etiquette > > > > I echo what Tara said. >Practice on your own until you feel comfortable >with it. In the meantime, if you're out to eat >in a professional setting, try to get things >that you don't have to cut. They don't have to >be handheld, but things like pasta, soup, or >salad don't necessarily have to be cut. Though >twirling spaghetti onto a fork is another >matter. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > >From: NABS-L On >Behalf Of Tara Briggs via NABS-L > > Sent: >Friday, October 26, 2018 6:47 PM > > To: >National Association of Blind Students mailing >list > > Cc: Tara Briggs > > > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] >Dining Etiquette > > > > Hey Jason! Welcome to >eating as a blind person! We’ve all been >there! Probably one of the best things I can do >just for you would be to practice when you’re >by yourself. He could also start with something >like toast and tried cutting up with a knife and >fork. Then you can look at what you’re doing. >One of the best things you can do is eat small >bites! If you lift your fork up and it feels >heavy and that might mean at the bite is too >big. I hope other people pass on their tips and >tricks. I have found that the sharper The >knife, the easier it is to cut food. > > >Tara > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On >Oct 26, 2018, at 4:21 PM, Jason Perenski via >NABS-L wrote: > > > > > > >Hi, > > > I hope this is the right place to ask >about this. My ability to > > > gracefully cut >food with a fork and knife is abysmal. This is >an > > > uncomfortable situation to discuss >since dining is so essential for > > > social >and business situations, and these skills are >usually so > > > incredibly obvious and second >nature for most people. I know everyone > > > >struggles with something, but as an otherwise >independent and > > > successful young adult, >this topic feels like something I shouldn’t >be > > > stumbling over. > > > > > > I don't eat >a lot of meat or food that needs to be cut in >general, but > > > I'd like to look professional >in more formal social and business > > > >settings now that I'm about to leave college. >And frankly, I also > > > don't want to be the >blind person who always orders something >handheld > > > when eating in >public. > > > > > > Unfortunately, no one taught >me when I was younger, which is a > > > >widespread problem for blind children. I've read >some guides online > > > about proper table >etiquette and how to cut something without >looking > > > like a slob. And I've even bought >playdough to practice with. But I'm > > > still >lousy at it. I'm curious if anyone here has >other tips or tricks > > > to get more >comfortable and graceful at this. To be as >detailed as > > > possible, here's what >sometimes happens: > > > > > > 1. I start >cutting along the back (convex) portion of the >fork, but > > > I'm only partially successful at >separating a bite. I end up with a > > > tiny >bit of meat clinging to the large piece and it's >difficult to > > > tell when I've successfully >finished cutting something. This happens a > > > >lot with larger, rounded cuts, where a good edge >to start from isn’t > > > available or >obvious. I place the fork in and position the >knife along > > > the back of it, but the thing >to be cut extends well past the tines of > > > >the fork to either side. In theory I should >easily be able to tell > > > when the knife >scrapes the plate and there's no more meat to >cut, but > > > in practice I'm not always >successful at it. > > > 2. While cutting, I >start shifting the thing to be cut around >the > > > plate and, occasionally, start >actually sliding the plate around. I > > > don't >know if this has something to do with technique >or perhaps even > > > strength. This happens >less and less with experience, but it's >still > > > uncomfortable when it does. > > > 3. >This all becomes a bigger challenge with more >complicated dishes > > > (meat with sauce on >top, or plates with several other >items). > > > > > > Is this something you've >ever related to, or is it just me? Were >you > > > taught any alternative techniques that >might be helpful? Am I missing > > > something >obvious? Is my technique possibly incorrect? Are >there meals > > > you find easier to handle than >others? All of this makes me feel like > > > a >bit of an inept loser for a skill that shouldn't >be difficult. If > > > you have skills or >techniques to make this process more seamless >and > > > graceful, I'd love to hear >them. > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > > NABS-L mailing list > > > >NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options >or get your account info for NABS-L: > > > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thflute%40gmail.co > > > > m > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > NABS-L mailing list > > >NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or >get your account info for NABS-L: > > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com > > > > > --- > > This email has been checked for >viruses by AVG. > > https://www.avg.com > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > NABS-L mailing list > > >NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or >get your account info for NABS-L: > > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > NABS-L mailing list > > >NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or >get your account info for NABS-L: > > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%40gmail.com > > >_______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or >get your account info for NABS-L: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/1008jmd%40gmail.com >_______________________________________________ >NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for NABS-L: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net