From alpineimagination at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 21:45:23 2018 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 14:45:23 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Membership Committee Meeting Next Week Message-ID: <27F512C6-6A4D-4B42-BB44-3A6DAD49545E@gmail.com> Hi Everyone, Hope you are having a great Labor Day weekend. Our next membership committee meeting will be held on Sunday, September 9 at 4 PM Pacific. We will be discussing going back to school, so come along with your questions! Call-In Number: (712) 770-4130 Access Code: 868746 Sincerely, Vejas Vasiliauskas Secretary and Treasurer of the California Association of Blind Students Phone: (310) 265-3949 Email: alpineimagination at gmail.com From matthewhgip at gmail.com Mon Sep 3 00:02:08 2018 From: matthewhgip at gmail.com (Matthew Gip) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 17:02:08 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Reminder: Join NABS Outreach Committee Call Tomorrow at 9 pm eastern Message-ID: Dear Students, While the fall semester has begun and we are hitting those textbooks and starting off strong in and out of the classroom, I would like to invite y’all to our Outreach Committee call tomorrow night at 9 pm eastern. Come with your enthusiasm, participation, and dedication as we look to build our national student division! Call: (712) 770-5197 Access code: 265668 Best, Janae Burgmeier, Melissa Carney, Elizabeth Sheeler, Johna Wright, and Matt Gip NABS Outreach Committee Leadership Matthew Gip President | California Association of Blind Students A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind of California Co-Chair | National Association of Blind Students Outreach Committee Phone: (559) 375-2068 Email: matthewhgip at gmail.com From alpineimagination at gmail.com Mon Sep 3 00:17:47 2018 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 17:17:47 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] CABS Membership Call Next Sunday, September 9 Message-ID: Hi Everyone, The California Association of Blind Students will have their next monthly membership call next Sunday, September 9 at 4 PM Pacific. All are welcome. We will have a back-to-school theme, so please come with your questions! Call-In Information: Phone Number: gh712) 770-4130 Access Code: 868746 Hope to see you there! Sincerely, Vejas Vasiliauskas Secretary and Treasurer of the California Association of Blind Students Phone: (310) 265-3949 Email: alpineimagination at gmail.com From carne23m at mtholyoke.edu Mon Sep 3 02:53:16 2018 From: carne23m at mtholyoke.edu (Melissa Carney) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 22:53:16 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] August 2018 NABS Notes Message-ID: <008501d44331$448173e0$cd845ba0$@mtholyoke.edu> From carne23m at mtholyoke.edu Mon Sep 3 02:59:12 2018 From: carne23m at mtholyoke.edu (Melissa Carney) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 22:59:12 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] August 2018 NABS Notes Message-ID: <000001d44332$18446bb0$48cd4310$@mtholyoke.edu> Good evening NABSters, It's hard to believe that the summer is already drawing to a close. It has been a packed few months, from the excitement of the 2018 national convention, to our various jobs, internships, and much-needed vacations. I hope that you all had a chance to take a deep breath, relax, enjoy some time in the sun, and recharge for a brand-new semester. Feel free to read about what NABS has been up to during the month of August. Please find the link to our online version of the NABS notes below, followed by the notes themselves. A copy of the NABS notes is also attached to this email for your convenience. We continuously strive to update and improve the format and content of our monthly bulletin, so your suggestions and recommendations are much appreciated. What resources would you like us to share? Are there specific topics that you would like us to cover? What general feedback do you have? Don't hesitate to let us know. Good luck on the start of your classes! http://nabslink.org/content/nabs-notes-august-2018 NABS Notes: August 2018 In this issue, you will find: * President's Note * Meet the New NABS Board * New Resource - NABS Phone Number * Follow Us on Instagram * Space Available Program * Accessibility User Research Collective * Museum Experience Survey * NABS Committee Updates * Student Division Spotlight * NABS Facebook Group President's Note Thank you! Thank you for believing in me. Thank you for trusting my leadership and vision for our organization. Thank you for lending an extra hand in expanding our reach even further then we already have. Thank you for being honest in feedback, open in suggestions, and constant in dedication. I appreciate you. It's been almost two months since our National Convention; and the effort and commitment from our leadership, whether NABS Board or committees, is unmeasurable. It is an amazing feeling, as a leader, to have so much faith and energy in the future of this strong organization. With whatever amount of effort you can give, we appreciate you; for representing blind people in a positive way, you are doing life right. I want to take a moment to tell you good luck this semester. Whether you are starting college, entering another year of high school, or going an alternative route, you are pushing your limits every day in this changing world. We are here to provide resources; and we want you to contact us. Meet the New NABS Board! Please read below to learn more about the newly elected 2018 NABS board. Additionally, you will find each member's contact information and the states for which they serve as a liaison. President: Kathryn Webster nabs.president at gmail.com I am so honored to serve as President of this fine organization. After graduating with my Bachelors of Science degree in Data Analytics and Statistics from Wake Forest University in the spring of 2017, I began my career at Deloitte Consulting, LLP as a Strategy & Data Analyst. Part-time, I am the Coordinator of Project RISE, NFB of Virginia's transition program for blind youth. I plan to pursue my MBA in the fall of 2019 in order to take my experience to the next level. I enjoy spending time with friends and family, lounging on the beach, reading non-fiction books, and traveling the world to gain cultural understanding through different lenses. I have a passion for giving back. The National Federation of the Blind taught me that it is my duty to shower fellow blind students with endless resources, support, friendship, and advice to equalize the playing field. We are as capable, willing, eager, and ready, if not more, than our sighted counterparts. Let's break down those misconceptions and build our vast network while changing what it means to be blind! Excited to connect with you! First Vice President: Syed Rizvi syedrizvinfb at gmail.com Hey NABSters! I'm from Longmeadow, Massachusetts and attend college at the University of Texas at Austin. There, I am pursuing a major in Government and attaining a minor in Philosophy. I lift for the UT Austin Power Lifting team and am very involved in on-campus organizations that cater to South Asian and Muslim students. When I'm not hitting the text books, mosque, or gym, I am bonding with friends and family over delicious food. As a proud graduate of the Louisiana Center for the Blind, the Federation has made all my wildest dreams come true. I hope I can do the same for you! Contact me regarding the following states: . Alaska . California . Hawaii . Minnesota . New Jersey . Texas . Utah .Washington Second Vice President: Kenia Flores kenia.flores at furman.edu Hello, fellow Federationists! I am currently a junior at Furman University, where I am majoring in Politics and International Affairs. After graduating, I plan to attend law school to equip me with the knowledge and expertise to become a civil rights attorney. Outside of my commitments as a student, mentor, and advocate, I enjoy rock climbing, spending time at the beach with a good novel in hand, and attending concerts. I, along with my fellow board members, are looking forward to preparing our fellow students with the necessary tools and confidence to ensure success in the classroom and beyond. We want to help you turn your dreams into reality, so please do not hesitate to reach out to us. Together, let's go build the National Federation of the blind with love, hope and determination! Contact me regarding the following states: . Alabama . Georgia . Illinois . Iowa . New Mexico . South Carolina . Vermont Treasurer: Dustin Cather cather.dustin at gmail.com My name is Dustin Cather, and I am proud to serve as your Treasurer of NABS. I am a senior at Oregon State University studying Political Science via their online program. I live in the small town of Pekin Illinois, where I am a cook for an upscale restaurant. In my free time, I enjoy hanging out with my cat Oakley, and playing the trombone. I am looking forward to working with a lot of you during my time with NABS! Contact me regarding the following states: . Florida . Hawaii . Massachusetts . Kansas . New York . South Dakota . Wyoming Secretary: Melissa Carney carne23m at mtholyoke.edu I am thrilled to serve on the NABS board and work with all of you! I am originally from the small town of Deep River, Connecticut. I am a senior at Mount Holyoke College in Massachusetts, pursuing a double major in English and Psychology. After receiving my Bachelor's, I plan to obtain my doctorate in clinical psychology. In addition to my academic interests and career goals, I am passionate about disability rights and advocacy, resolving access barriers, and fostering independence and mentorship within the community. I am conducting research on accessibility at IBM over the summer, and will be interning with the National Council on Independent Living in the fall. I serve as the president of the Connecticut Association of Blind students, secretary of the Massachusetts Association of Blind Students, and a Peer Mentor for incoming freshmen with disabilities at Mount Holyoke. In my free time, I enjoy reading science fiction, writing poetry, running, and any other recreational outdoor activity. I am an avid horseback rider and skier, as well as a competitive singer. I always enjoy meeting new students, hearing your stories, and giving advice or encouragement when needed, so feel free to reach out! Contact me regarding the following states: . Arkansas . Delaware . Indiana . Maryland . Mississippi . New Hampshire . Oklahoma Board Member 1: Mausam Mehta Mausam.mehta00 at gmail.com I am thrilled to work with the National Student Division to build our momentum and exceed our goals. I am from a small town in Virginia, and I'm working towards a bachelor's in Business Administration and Information Technology at the University of Virginia. Outside of my exciting work with NABS, I love breathing the air of new and strange places, reading frightening suspense novels, and petting fluffy animals. I'm so honored to be a part of NABS, and I can't wait to see where our dreams will lead us! Contact me regarding the following states: .Kentucky .Louisiana .Nebraska .Oregon .Virginia Board Member 2: Tarik Williams williams.tarik20 at gmail.com I grew up in Pennsylvania, where I was part of my high school basketball team. Sports has always been a huge part of my life, so after I lost my vision, I still wanted to be a part of a team. I joined the marching band, which I participated in all 4 years of college. After becoming Mr. West Chester and graduating with a Bachelor's of Arts in English, I decided that before I went onto graduate school to become a VR counselor, I should increase my assistive technology skills so I decided to go to Louisiana Center for the Blind. While there, I realized that my passion was to work hands on with students and so I decided to go to Louisiana Tech University to get a Master's in Counseling and Guidance, with certifications in Orientation and Mobility and Rehabilitation Teaching. After graduation, I accepted a job at SAAVI Services for the Blind where I teach Cane travel and is a program advisor. If you want to be on my good side, just tell me how much you love the Dallas Cowboys and how awesome LeBron James is and you are set! Contact me regarding the following states: .Montana .North Dakota .Pennsylvania .Ohio .Puerto Rico .Rhode Island .Washington, DC Board Member 3: Janae Burgmeier janae.burgmeier at gmail.com I am from Des Moines, Iowa and have been an NFB member for 12 years, however I have become a more active member over the past 3 years. I am currently obtaining a Master's degree in Business Administration, while working at Wells Fargo as a financial Crimes Specialist. I also serve in the local community as a board member for the Des Moines chapter of New Leaders Council, as well as the Statewide Independent Living Council. I enjoy participating in Pub trivia with friends, hiking, reading, and traveling to new and exciting places. I am so excited to get involved and continue to build the Federation. Contact me regarding the following states: .Colorado .Connecticut .Michigan .Nevada .Tennessee .West Virginia .Wisconsin Board Member 4: Justin Salisbury president at alumni.ecu.edu I am thrilled to be back on the NABS Board in the exact same position I held from 2012 to 2014, and I am even further thrilled to be serving with such a phenomenal group of student leaders on this new board. I am taking classes in education and public administration as I prepare for a PhD program in education. I am particularly interested in programs focusing on education leadership and policy analysis, as well as social and cultural foundations of education. It is an honor to be welcomed back into student leadership as I return to higher education. I grew up mostly in rural northeastern Connecticut and joined the National Federation of the Blind through the Connecticut affiliate in 2008, thanks to our scholarship program. I thought I would take the money and run, but I found something greater than a scholarship check. I have served six years as a student division president between Connecticut, North Carolina, and Hawaii. I hold a Bachelor of Arts in mathematics and economics from East Carolina University. After college, I attended the Louisiana Center for the Blind in a gap year before a PhD program in agricultural and applied economics at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. That year of training changed my life, and I became obsessed with helping other blind people achieve the freedom and empowerment that can come from training at an NFB training center. I also dove headfirst into the legislative work of the Federation. I stopped writing my dissertation and left UW-Madison to attend Louisiana Tech University, where I earned a master's degree in teaching cane travel. Today, I teach cane travel at a training center in Honolulu, Hawaii. Contact me regarding the following states: .Arizona .Idaho .Maine .Missouri .North Carolina New Resource - NABS Phone Number Our leadership wants to provide an outlet for students to voice concerns, seek advice, and learn about resources you may otherwise not be familiar with. With that, we launched our very own NABS phone number, where a NABS leader is on call to speak with blind students across the country. Please call 410-417-8360. Follow Us on Instagram NABS has an Insta account now, so follow us @NABSLink! Space Available Program The John McCain National Defense Authorization Act was recently signed into law. It contains language expanding eligibility for the Space Available program that will allow Vietnam-era veterans who are blind or have other disabilities to travel on military flights if space is available. The press release is at available at: https://nfb.org/military-space-available-accommodation-expanded-more-veteran s-disabilities. Accessibility User Research Collective The below research participant solicitation is being provided for informational purposes only. The National Federation of the Blind has no involvement in this research, but we believe that it may contribute to our research mission. The Accessibility User Research Collective (AURC) is looking for people who are blind or have very low vision to take part in ongoing research projects that we conduct as a research partner for Microsoft. The goal of these studies is to use real feedback from real people to assist Microsoft in improving the usefulness and accessibility of their apps and products. The studies can include emailed surveys, in-person interviews or focus groups. Joining the AURC doesn't mean you will be inundated with survey requests. Only when a study requires someone with a specific disability is that person contacted; and they are free to turn down the request if it comes at an inconvenient time for them. The privacy and anonymity of participant personal information, both in the database and during any studies they participate in, is protected by strict HIPPAA requirements as well as by special research security protocols that are required for studies involving human subjects. The studies usually provide a modest monetary stipend as thanks for participating; and from conversations with study participants, they value the opportunity to help to improve the accessibility and usefulness of apps. If you decide to join us, you can sign up to our database by filling out a survey at this link: https://is.gd/AURCmemberform AURC web site: https://accessibilityuserresearchcollective.org/ Museum Experience Survey The below research participant solicitation is being provided for informational purposes only. The National Federation of the Blind has no involvement in this research, but we believe that it may contribute to our research mission. Cheryl Fogle-Hatch, Ph.D. (an independent archaeologist and museum professional) and Don Winiecki, Ed.D., Ph.D. (a professor at Boise State University) are conducting survey research to identify experiences of blind and visually-impaired individuals at museums. If you choose to complete the survey it will take you about 15 to 20 minutes. More information about the survey and the research is included below. Survey URL: https://bo isestate.az1.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_23HYlClohjBVQah Eligibility: The survey is intended for individuals who are (a) 18-years old or older, (b) blind or visually-impaired, and (c) who have visited one or more museums in the past. NABS Committee Updates Get involved! * Legislative Advocacy Committee When: third Sunday of the month | 8pm eastern Chair: Kenia Flores (kenia.flores at furman.edu ) Co-Chairs: Rilee Sloan and Justin Salisbury * Fundraising Committee When: Second Sunday of the month | 8pm eastern Chair: Kathryn Webster (nabs.president at gmail.com ) Co-Chairs: Harry Staley, Dustin Cather, and Elizabeth Rouse * Outreach Committee When: first Monday of the month | 9pm eastern Chair: Janae Burgmeier (Janae.burgmeier at gmail.com ) Co-Chairs: Melissa Carney, Elizabeth Sheeler, and Matt Gip Web Master: Dustin Cather (cather.dustin at gmail.com ) * Special Projects When: Meetings as Needed Chairs: Syed Rizvi, Tarik Williams, and Mausam Mehta Student Division Spotlight Are you curious to see what your fellow students are up to? Please check out the following updates from several of our proud divisions. Please note: All text was taken directly from our state student division leadership and not amended in any way. * Arizona We are eared up and ready to rock during our 2018 State Convention. We have some great events planned for the student seminar as well as some wise speakers to share their knowledge during the annual business meeting. As per custom we will be holding elections for the Arizona Association of Blind Students board. We are excited to pass the baton to the next generation of leaders and support them in the work that is being done. Thank you so much to the current board and we wish them well as they continue to build this federation in other leadership roles. Shout out to Tarik Williams, who is graciously representing our national student division during our 2018 State Convention! Thanks for reading! NABS Facebook Group Join our Facebook group by visiting: https://m.facebook.com/groups/173482726798026 The National Association of blind Students A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind Nfbstudents.org (203) 273-8463 Melissa Carney Secretary | National Association of Blind Students A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind (860) 391-9319 Carne23m at mtholyoke.edu | www.nabslink.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: NABS Notes - August 2018.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 35239 bytes Desc: not available URL: From matthewhgip at gmail.com Mon Sep 3 15:28:24 2018 From: matthewhgip at gmail.com (Matthew Gip) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 08:28:24 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Join NABS Outreach Committee Call Tonight at 9 pm eastern Message-ID: <2F880116-605A-4879-BC8B-3B35B9E5DC6D@gmail.com> Dear Students, While the fall semester has begun and we are hitting those textbooks and starting off strong in and out of the classroom, I would like to invite y’all to our Outreach Committee call tonight at 9 pm eastern. Come with your enthusiasm, participation, and dedication as we look to build our national student division! (Also, I apologize for sending out the wrong access code for the number yesterday) Call: (712) 770-5197 Access code: 265669 Best, Janae Burgmeier, Melissa Carney, Elizabeth Sheeler, Johna Wright, and Matt Gip NABS Outreach Committee Leadership Matthew Gip President | California Association of Blind Students A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind of California Co-Chair | National Association of Blind Students Outreach Committee Phone: (559) 375-2068 Email: matthewhgip at gmail.com From Amelia.Dickerson at Colorado.EDU Tue Sep 4 04:00:30 2018 From: Amelia.Dickerson at Colorado.EDU (Amelia Anne Dickerson) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 04:00:30 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Job Opportunity Message-ID: Job at CU Boulder The Accessibility and Usability Lab at CU Boulder is looking to hire blind and low vision assistive technology users to test CU Boulder digital content for accessibility. The job has the potential to expand to include responsibilities that match your personal interests. An employee must: * Be available to test in person on the CU Boulder campus * Have daily use of assistive technology such as NVDA, JAWS, VoiceOver, or magnifiers * Have current or recent experience as a student at a large university, with the required technology such as class registration, homework submission tools, etc. It is preferable that: * Be a current CU Boulder student This position provides: * Opportunity for professional development * An influence on the accessibility on a large university campus * A flexible schedule * Connection with a blind/low vision community in Boulder, CO * Connection with a variety of roles in the Office of Information Technology at a large university To learn more and apply, email us at: aul at colorado.edu From johnawright98 at gmail.com Wed Sep 5 03:57:54 2018 From: johnawright98 at gmail.com (johnawright98 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 23:57:54 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] September Discussion Starter Message-ID: <1DF3AC4E-CA66-497F-B9D4-51E94B4EAB5D@gmail.com> Hey, NABSters! I’m Johna, the face behind the social media profiles for NABS. First, I just wanted to let you all know that you’re awesome and you can conquer whatever the fall semester throws at you! Second, I thought I would start a discussion series on the ListServ, as well as social media, in order to get more of our membership involved and talking with each other. So, I’m proposing the following question: Have you ever encountered an access barrier with extracurricular/club/social activities at your school/university? If so, how did you overcome this barrier? Hopefully this discussion gives some of you guys ideas for how to address your owns personal obstacles. I look forward to reading your responses! Cheers, Johna Wright Vice President, National Federation of the Blind Community Service Division Social Media Chair, National Association of Blind Students From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Wed Sep 5 12:18:45 2018 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2018 08:18:45 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] September Discussion Starter Message-ID: <5b8fc9a7.1c69fb81.969c7.5b28@mx.google.com> Hi Johna thanks for your message. I faced many obstacles while I was in the process of obtaining my Bachelor's degree. My counselor at the Florida Division Of Blind Services refused to pay for my Bachelor's degree because she felt that I did not need a Bachelor's degree. I overcame this by having fiancial aid that covered the purchase of my books for class. My parents paid for my entire Bachelor's degree. My Dbs counselor provided me with the equipment that I used to take notes and complete other assignments.    On Sep 4, 2018 11:57 PM, Johna Wright via NABS-L wrote: > > Hey, NABSters! > > I’m Johna, the face behind the social media profiles for NABS. First, I just wanted to let you all know that you’re awesome and you can conquer whatever the fall semester throws at you! Second, I thought I would start a discussion series on the ListServ, as well as social media, in order to get more of our membership involved and talking with each other. So, I’m proposing the following question: > > Have you ever encountered an access barrier with extracurricular/club/social activities at your school/university? If so, how did you overcome this barrier? > > Hopefully this discussion gives some of you guys ideas for how to address your owns personal obstacles. I look forward to reading your responses! > > Cheers, > > Johna Wright > Vice President, National Federation of the Blind Community Service Division > Social Media Chair, National Association of Blind Students > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Wed Sep 5 19:40:11 2018 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (sophie trist) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2018 14:40:11 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] September Discussion Starter Message-ID: <5b903122.1c69fb81.cac3e.7a76@mx.google.com> Hi all, This is a great topic of discussion. My freshman year, I pledged a Greek organization at my university. I dropped after two years for several personal reasons which I won't go into, but I also dropped in part because of the accessibility barriers. Most of the organization's materials were in print, and what was digital wasn't very accessible. There were a lot of images involved which were not described, and in meetings, powerpoints were rarely described adequately. This organization did a lot of philanthropy in the area of blindness, and I felt their attitude to be negative, that blindness should be minimized and cured. The first nail in the coffin for me was when one of the group's officers described living with blindness as a miserable state, with me in the room. Fortunately, I have found other groups at my school to be much more blind-friendly and accessible. Sophie On Sep 5, 2018 7:18 AM, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Johna thanks for your message. I faced many obstacles while I was in the process of obtaining my Bachelor's degree. My counselor at the Florida Division Of Blind Services refused to pay for my Bachelor's degree because she felt that I did not need a Bachelor's degree. I overcame this by having fiancial aid that covered the purchase of my books for class. My parents paid for my entire Bachelor's degree. My Dbs counselor provided me with the equipment that I used to take notes and complete other assignments.    > > On Sep 4, 2018 11:57 PM, Johna Wright via NABS-L wrote: > > > > Hey, NABSters! > > > > I’m Johna, the face behind the social media profiles for NABS. First, I just wanted to let you all know that you’re awesome and you can conquer whatever the fall semester throws at you! Second, I thought I would start a discussion series on the ListServ, as well as social media, in order to get more of our membership involved and talking with each other. So, I’m proposing the following question: > > > > Have you ever encountered an access barrier with extracurricular/club/social activities at your school/university? If so, how did you overcome this barrier? > > > > Hopefully this discussion gives some of you guys ideas for how to address your owns personal obstacles. I look forward to reading your responses! > > > > Cheers, > > > > Johna Wright > > Vice President, National Federation of the Blind Community Service Division > > Social Media Chair, National Association of Blind Students > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareader%40gmail.com From michael.ausbun at gmail.com Wed Sep 5 21:27:16 2018 From: michael.ausbun at gmail.com (michael.ausbun at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 14:27:16 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] September Discussion Starter In-Reply-To: <5b903122.1c69fb81.cac3e.7a76@mx.google.com> References: <5b903122.1c69fb81.cac3e.7a76@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <00e201d4455f$386c2c50$a94484f0$@gmail.com> Hello Everyone, I think this is a great topic for discussion as well! I will detail two experiences: rushing the Kappa Sigma Fraternity and competing on the university's parliamentary debate team: Greek Life Greek life itself is chock-filled with access challenges–everything from the cultural attitudes of the smartest, most athletic, or most 'lit' rager to the traditions that very rarely take into consideration ability in the diversity expectations. I new this going into the experience my sophomore year of my undergraduate career, and I also had the opinion that I could resolve any access barrier I set my mind to solving (this was not necessarily accurate, but I sure believed it at the time). First, let me just say that every chapter of every organization at every university is going to be unique. Let me also say though that there is no fraternal experience quite like that of Kappa Sigma. From the undergraduate brothers at the University of Nevada, to those in other chapters, and even the alumni volunteers: every man was willing to make a change to ensure equal access. Sure, they had craptastic expectations, and sure, they often did things that had me saying "hey, yeh jerk...did you even think before you did or said that?" But often it came back to education, sharing my Federation philosophy, and reminding them, usually through demonstration, that blindness was not a single inhibiting characteristic. Truly, a life changing adventure. I even found an alum, who just so happened to be first vice president of our Washington Affiliate! Debate This one was extremely challenging, but also incredibly rewarding. At the time, I did not have a lot of blindness skills, nor great confidence in my abilities as a blind person. I joined the debate team, who often experiences nationally competitive success. I had no idea what debate consisted of, nor did I know how to do many of the things they wanted me to do–use google docs, speak at 300-400 words per minute, write down argumentation that everyone in the room was spouting, and run around campus like a mad man. I also did not know at that time, like many other things, ability was not something they really ever thought about when it came to their diversity statement. I worked with the National Parliamentary Debate Association (NPDA) to develop strategies for incorporating accommodation and accessibility within their tabulation software, postings, and distribution of materials. I also worked with many debaters, who have gone on to law school or graduate school, teaching them about maintaining high expectations. Ultimately, when I have joined organizations at my previous institution of higher learning, I always tried to live the federation philosophy as I under stand it. Part of it is maintaining high expectations, part of it is powering forward in the pursuit of equality, opportunity and security, another part of it is patience and love. I have so many other thoughts, but this is already getting way, way too long. Love and peace to all of you for this quarter/semester. Respectfully, Michael Ausbun -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of sophie trist via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 12:40 PM To: Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L Cc: sophie trist Subject: Re: [NABS-L] September Discussion Starter Hi all, This is a great topic of discussion. My freshman year, I pledged a Greek organization at my university. I dropped after two years for several personal reasons which I won't go into, but I also dropped in part because of the accessibility barriers. Most of the organization's materials were in print, and what was digital wasn't very accessible. There were a lot of images involved which were not described, and in meetings, powerpoints were rarely described adequately. This organization did a lot of philanthropy in the area of blindness, and I felt their attitude to be negative, that blindness should be minimized and cured. The first nail in the coffin for me was when one of the group's officers described living with blindness as a miserable state, with me in the room. Fortunately, I have found other groups at my school to be much more blind-friendly and accessible. Sophie On Sep 5, 2018 7:18 AM, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Johna thanks for your message. I faced many obstacles while I was > in the process of obtaining my Bachelor's degree. My counselor at the Florida Division Of Blind Services refused to pay for my Bachelor's degree because she felt that I did not need a Bachelor's degree. I overcame this by having fiancial aid that covered the purchase of my books for class. My parents paid for my entire Bachelor's degree. My Dbs counselor provided me with the equipment that I used to take notes and complete other assignments. > > On Sep 4, 2018 11:57 PM, Johna Wright via NABS-L wrote: > > > > Hey, NABSters! > > > > I’m Johna, the face behind the social media profiles for NABS. First, I just wanted to let you all know that you’re awesome and you can conquer whatever the fall semester throws at you! Second, I thought I would start a discussion series on the ListServ, as well as social media, in order to get more of our membership involved and talking with each other. So, I’m proposing the following question: > > > > Have you ever encountered an access barrier with extracurricular/club/social activities at your school/university? If so, how did you overcome this barrier? > > > > Hopefully this discussion gives some of you guys ideas for how to address your owns personal obstacles. I look forward to reading your responses! > > > > Cheers, > > > > Johna Wright > > Vice President, National Federation of the Blind Community Service > > Division Social Media Chair, National Association of Blind Students > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gm > > ail.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareader%40g > mail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/michael.ausbun%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Thu Sep 6 02:18:42 2018 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2018 21:18:42 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] FW: Alva 570 Pro For Sale ### CONTACT INFO INCLUDED ### Message-ID: >I have been asked to circulate the following for-sale notice. Please >contact the individual directly, as he is not on this list. Dave >FOR SALE: Alva 570 Pro 70 cell braille display $1,500 (or best offer) > > >e size of the display allows a PC keyboard to rest atop the display, >with the braille cellsbetween the bottom of the keyboard and the >user. * I used it between May 2001 & July 2007 for an Accounting >Clerk job. * NEW power cord & USB cable because I don't want to pair >up the device with the wrong cables from my cable collection. * >Serviced and cleaned in 2009 by SSB and has been stored indoors ever >since. * Google the device name for full specs. (Note: driver CD, >serial cable, & backpack not included.) * Drivers available in the >latest JAWS and Mac OS VoiceOver Packages. I spoke to Jaws customer >support, and googled Mac VoiceOver Supported braille devices. > > > >Please Call me at 651-690-2458 to inquire. >From: benjamin moser moser757 at outlook.com From carlymih at comcast.net Wed Sep 5 21:38:17 2018 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2018 14:38:17 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] A technology recommendation for all of you In-Reply-To: <5D021AB4-687A-425D-BA28-4839AB2874F0@att.net> References: <5D021AB4-687A-425D-BA28-4839AB2874F0@att.net> Message-ID: Afternoon, Cricket, I went to high school at Henry M. Gunn in central Palo Alto so I appreciate your commentary on Palo Altan architecture and the prevalence of fountains and other hazards as a unique yet quirky layer of the lay of the land! Congratulations on your finding the glasses so helpful! Congratulations, too, for your having the opportunity of attending Stanford! Though currently a resident of Berkeley, most of my High School experiences did unfold around Palo Alto . Carly cell: 408-209-3239 : >As a young professional I have been thinking about Aira. You make >some really good arguments. Thanks so much for sharing your story. > >Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 23, 2018, at 1:07 AM, Cricket X. Bidleman via NABS-L > wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > This is long. Please read it anyway. As of last July, I received the > > AIRA Back-to-School award. Basically, this gave me free minutes on > > AIRA for nine months, the last of which recently ended. (Endless > > thanks to Kathryn Webster for being instrumental in that process.) > > I'll admit I was a little skeptical because first of all, I didn't > > think I'd use it. I also knew they had basically repurposed Google > > Glass, and Google Glass in its original form was kind of a floppy > > failure... And then some. > > > > So Cricket, where's that "recommendation" you promised us? Well, here > > it is. I can say, through my own abundant use of the software in my > > first year of college, that I sincerely feel that AIRA is > > revolutionizing instant access to all areas of life. Accessibility is > > a huge issue for us as blind students and though it's slowly being > > worked on in general, sometimes it's necessary to have instant access > > to things. I'd call it "accessibility on demand" or something like > > that. One particular instance comes to mind. > > > > I was incredibly overwhelmed. It was my first day at Stanford, > > September 19 of last year. My parents had just left me in a dorm full > > of people I didn't know, in a place I'd never been to. I was walking > > around, trying not to bump into things, when I mentally slapped myself > > for forgetting that I had an a capella audition, and then another one, > > and then a choir audition, and then a meeting with my pre-major > > advisor. I really didn't want to be the problem child constantly > > asking for help from the RA's who, quite frankly, had more than enough > > disoriented freshmen to deal with. So, because I'm so brilliant, I > > walked out of my dorm with my cane, wearing a black dress and high > > heels, into 90 degree weather. I made it all the way down the hill by > > my dorm and then I had to mentally slap myself again because I > > realized something... I didn't know the campus at all. I walked around > > a bit, and then got turned around, and then got lost, and then got > > even more lost. There were freshmen everywhere, but they were all lost > > too, and a bunch of them gave me atrociously wrong directions. I > > called AIRA and in five minutes, they had me straightened out and > > going in the right direction. Turned out I was on the opposite side of > > campus from where I was supposed to be. Thanks, all you disoriented > > freshmen... > > > > Let me tell you something about Stanford campus. you know how like > > every sane person designing a college campus makes them arranged like > > city blocks? There are clear streets, buildings are arranged in grid > > patterns, they're in numerical order... Stanford's designer must have > > been crazy, because this campus is not like that at all. There are > > twists and turns everywhere and though there are a couple of main > > streets here and there, most of the campus isn't even nearly > > accessible by car, much less by some lost blind student. Google Maps > > doesn't really help, so my AIRA agent (Emma) was cross-referencing > > three different maps while trying to keep an eye on me so I wouldn't > > step in a fountain. Yes, that is a possibility here. People actually > > jump in fountains for fun. Emma is phenomenal, and managed to get me > > to my audition on time. Part of that was because, by some happy > > coincidence, I'd left three hours early, but even so I was rushing at > > the end. At least I made it, sore feet and all. > > > > Anyway since then, I've had many experiences with AIRA, and all of > > them have ended up positive. One time I was chasing down a Uber > > because it wanted to ditch me... One time I was cramming for a test > > with a textbook that I hadn't gotten in Braille on time since it was > > my first quarter here. One time an agent was reading Plato's Republic > > to me when I may or may not have taken a nap, and they may or may not > > have had to wake me up. They were really nice about it though. You > > know these people are awesome when they can even pronounce pars > > opercularis properly. I can't even do that. (That's an essential part > > of the brain involved in language processing by the way.) And once > > they were able to describe, in extreme detail, a brain diagram I was > > studying for psychology. I later got the Braille diagram, and it was > > nowhere near as detailed as the AIRA agent's description. > > > > So my point is, please do yourself a huge favor and get AIRA. You can > > get funding for it from the Department of Rehab. Or scholarship money > > can go toward it, or you can apply for their scholarships. I promise > > you it will be integral as you go through education and life in > > general. If my word isn't enough, and even if it is, I fully encourage > > you to check out this blog post by Jonathan Mosen. He's a technology > > consultant who has way more experience than me. He's worked with > > Humanware and Freedom Scientific, and for many years has run his own > > consulting company. He designs websites, travels a lot, runs several > > podcasts and a radio station, writes books, and is pretty much the > > kind of person many of us aspire to emulate in terms of success. He > > uses AIRA and in this post, talks about how powerfully this innovative > > solution has impacted his life. Please give it a read--I promise it > > will change your outlook. https://mosen.org/aira/ > > > > Best, > > Cricket X. Bidleman (she/her/hers) > > Stanford University | Class of 2021 > > > > P.S. If you have Emma as your AIRA agent, tell her I said hello. :) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlos.montas%40att.net > > >_______________________________________________ >NABS-L mailing list >NABS-L at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From carlymih at comcast.net Thu Sep 6 05:11:44 2018 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2018 22:11:44 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] [nabs-l] Character-Based Language Classes In-Reply-To: <93BF8B8B-B5A4-4DBD-9473-A81157E62646@gmail.com> References: <54CD81FF-7F0D-4BCA-AA19-841AED648D5E@gmail.com> <315C71D3-2D05-4BDB-AAA5-3F1E522F04EC@gmail.com> <93BF8B8B-B5A4-4DBD-9473-A81157E62646@gmail.com> Message-ID: Evening, Emmie, Mandarin, wow! In High School, I studied Japanese language, even researched the nihongo tenji (Japanese braille) symbles Online for my own notes and to read a nihongo tenji book that was sent me from Japan. Good luck, I think I know a person whom reads braille if you are interested? Car 4-08-209-3239NABS-L wrote: >I'm currently learning Mandarin Chinese with a >tutor. Voiceover reads Chinese correctly for the >most part, and it is possible to type but I >haven't been able to do that efficiently yet, >partly because I don't know enough vocabulary to >differentiate which is the correct character >when I select it. Emmie > On Sep 24, 2017, at >4:58 PM, Caitlin Best via NABS-L > wrote: > > I have been >taking Japanese for the last couple years. I >have an XL spreadsheet with the Japanese braille >code as well! I also have been using Jaws with a >Japanese voice and it works great. Most note >takers donft support eastern Braille codes so >I mainly stick with jaws. If you want to know >more feel free to message off list. > Cheers, > >Caitlin > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 24, >2017, at 16:45, Miso Kwak via NABS-L >> >wrote: >> >> Hi Ellana, >> I know for fact that >both Chinese and Japanese have Braille code. >> >That being said, I am not sure if any of >popularly used braille note >> takers in the >U.S. support any of East Asian languages. >> I >imagine JAWS and NVDA are capable of reading >these languages. They >> are capable of reading >Korean, although the pronounciation is not >the >> best. >> If you learn how to type and how >to understand the screen reader I >> these >languages, I think you can take these classes in >mainstream >> setting. >> >> On another note, if >you want to learn Korean, feel free to message >me >> off list. I am a native speaker and know >the Korean Braille code as >> well. >> >> >Best, >> Miso >> >>> On 9/24/17, Ellana Crew via >NABS-L wrote: >>> Afternoon >friends, >>> >>> Recently, I have been thinking >of taking courses at my college to learn >>> >Japanese or Chinese, however I am not totally >certain how to go about doing >>> this as a >blind person considering that these are >character-based languages. >>> I much prefer to >do things non-visually, however I do have a >certain level >>> of residual vision that I >could use if it came down to it. Essentially, I >am >>> wondering if there is anybody who has >taken classes for character-based >>> languages >that may be able to give me some pointers on how >to get through >>> such a class, given that the >class will almost certainly be teaching the >>> >basics of the written characters and that >assignments will most likely >>> contain written >characters fairly frequently. >>> >>> I know >that there are braille systems for these >languages, however I'm not >>> sure if that >would be practical considering that the >professor would not >>> have any knowledge of >the braille form, so I feel it would likely be >quite >>> difficult to try and learn the >language in braille in a class that teaches >>> >printed form and uses it for assignments. My >guess is that it would be much >>> easier to >learn the language first and then learn the >braille format, as >>> trying to learn both >simultaneously does not seem very practical in >a >>> mainstream college class. >>> >>> I also >know that I do have the option of attempting to >learn a language >>> outside of the classroom >setting on my own, first, in a way that may >be >>> somewhat more accessible, though I would >very much like to take advantage of >>> the >classes offered through my school. It may be >that I may need to try and >>> learn some basics >on my own, first, and then take the classes >later on to be >>> able to get the credit for >them. >>> >>> If there is anybody who is taking >classes for character-based languages, >>> >especially if you have specifically taken either >Japanese or Chinese, I >>> would really, really >love to hear how you made it work and what sorts >of >>> accommodations you used and what systems >you had with your professor to >>> inshore that >you were given the equal opportunity to really >learn the >>> language. This is something I have >wanted to do since early high school, and >>> >would really like to find a way to make it >happen. Any experiences you could >>> share with >me would be wonderful and feel free to email me >off list if you >>> would really like to start >some real in-depth dialogue about this. >>> >>> >Thank you all and have a nice afternoon! >>> >>> >Ellana Crew, Vice President >>> Maryland >Association of Blind Students >>> Website: >nfbmd.org/students >>> Facebook: >facebook.com/mdabs.federation >>> Twitter: >@MDABS_NFB >>> >>> The National Federation of >the Blind knows that blindness is not the >>> >characteristic that defines you or your future. >Every day we raise the >>> expectations of blind >people, because low expectations create >obstacles >>> between blind people and our >dreams. You can live the life you want; >>> >blindness is not what holds you back. >>> >_______________________________________________ > > >> NABS-L mailing list >>> >NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or >get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/misokwak12%40gmail.com > >>> >> >> >> -- >> Miso Kwak >> University of >California, Los Angeles | 2017 >> Psychology >B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability >Studies Minor >> (909) 660-1897 >> >> >_______________________________________________ > > > NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or >get your account info for NABS-L: >> >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bestca21%40gmai > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or >get your account info for NABS-L: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/singingemmanuelle%40gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for NABS-L: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From carlymih at comcast.net Thu Sep 6 05:46:44 2018 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2018 22:46:44 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Braille Textbook Donations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Emmie, Do you have any Mandarine-speaking contacts whom may have need for mathbooks you could contact to inquire? It's an idea? Car At 07:23 AM 2/26/2018, you wrote: >Hi all, > >Do you know of any places that except donations of used braille >textbooks? I have an Algebra II book from sophomore year of high >school that I don't need anymore. I'd greatly appreciate any suggestions. > >Thanks, >Emmie >_______________________________________________ >NABS-L mailing list >NABS-L at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From bluezinfandel at hotmail.com Thu Sep 6 14:43:39 2018 From: bluezinfandel at hotmail.com (Ben Fulton) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 14:43:39 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] September Discussion Starter (Roanna Bacchus) Message-ID: Hi, I have an experience that I think is rather germain to this discussion. While attending law school, in my first year of studies, I realized that the material was not very accessible. There were recorded lectures mounted on an online platform that required a mouse pointer to hit the play button. I tried virtualizing the cursor on Jaws and worked with other members of the tech department, but it was beyond the ability of the I.T. department, and ultimately became an administrative issue. The law school was also undergoing an introduction of mixed platform, and required online content. There were these tests that had to be done online, but many of the buttons were unlabelled, and the whole format was not very blind friendly. There were also problems with power point presentations not being made available, and online pdf files that lacked OCR, and while I got quite good at converting my own documents I met other students who lacked either the software, technological ability, or both, to manage many of the inaccessible documents. In fact, I had to spend a fair amount of time and resources to be able to convert as many documents as I did. I could go on, but the long and short of it is that I found there were a number of areas that the University needed to focus on, and there was no student organization lobbying for them. So, I founded an organization, originally dedicated to improving accessibility for blind law students, we called ourselves the Daredevils in Training, but by the second year we expanded our constitution to include any students requiring accommodations. The organization has now been running for 4 years, and is called Access to Osgoode. There are still a number of areas that need improvement, but the admin did change the online recording platform, and it is accessible, although still a little glitchy. They also made some physical changes to the building, like tile markings, and audio elevators. The one area I'm hoping admin will come around on is having a single point person that students can go to when getting their accommodations. Right now students have to go to the disability office, and then get a letter that goes to student services, and then contact the library services. Then, students have to co-ordinate between their professors and the library services, sometimes with a T.A. thrown in depending on the professor. This just made a lot of extra running around. They have a counsellor for the department, but it isn't part of that persons job to manage accommodations. So, I'm hoping the lobbying will have an effect on the way the school provides accommodations, so as to take the burden off students that are already dealing with quite a bit. Hope this helps, Ben .___________________ Hello Everyone, I think this is a great topic for discussion as well! I will detail two experiences: rushing the Kappa Sigma Fraternity and competing on the university's parliamentary debate team: Greek Life Greek life itself is chock-filled with access challenges?everything from the cultural attitudes of the smartest, most athletic, or most 'lit' rager to the traditions that very rarely take into consideration ability in the diversity expectations. I new this going into the experience my sophomore year of my undergraduate career, and I also had the opinion that I could resolve any access barrier I set my mind to solving (this was not necessarily accurate, but I sure believed it at the time). First, let me just say that every chapter of every organization at every university is going to be unique. Let me also say though that there is no fraternal experience quite like that of Kappa Sigma. From the undergraduate brothers at the University of Nevada, to those in other chapters, and even the alumni volunteers: every man was willing to make a change to ensure equal access. Sure, they had craptastic expectations, and sure, they often did things that had me saying "hey, yeh jerk...did you even think before you did or said that?" But often it came back to education, sharing my Federation philosophy, and reminding them, usually through demonstration, that blindness was not a single inhibiting characteristic. Truly, a life changing adventure. I even found an alum, who just so happened to be first vice president of our Washington Affiliate! Debate This one was extremely challenging, but also incredibly rewarding. At the time, I did not have a lot of blindness skills, nor great confidence in my abilities as a blind person. I joined the debate team, who often experiences nationally competitive success. I had no idea what debate consisted of, nor did I know how to do many of the things they wanted me to do?use google docs, speak at 300-400 words per minute, write down argumentation that everyone in the room was spouting, and run around campus like a mad man. I also did not know at that time, like many other things, ability was not something they really ever thought about when it came to their diversity statement. I worked with the National Parliamentary Debate Association (NPDA) to develop strategies for incorporating accommodation and accessibility within their tabulation software, postings, and distribution of materials. I also worked with many debaters, who have gone on to law school or graduate school, teaching them about maintaining high expectations. Ultimately, when I have joined organizations at my previous institution of higher learning, I always tried to live the federation philosophy as I under stand it. Part of it is maintaining high expectations, part of it is powering forward in the pursuit of equality, opportunity and security, another part of it is patience and love. I have so many other thoughts, but this is already getting way, way too long. Love and peace to all of you for this quarter/semester. Respectfully, Michael Ausbun -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of sophie trist via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 12:40 PM To: Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L Cc: sophie trist Subject: Re: [NABS-L] September Discussion Starter Hi all, This is a great topic of discussion. My freshman year, I pledged a Greek organization at my university. I dropped after two years for several personal reasons which I won't go into, but I also dropped in part because of the accessibility barriers. Most of the organization's materials were in print, and what was digital wasn't very accessible. There were a lot of images involved which were not described, and in meetings, powerpoints were rarely described adequately. This organization did a lot of philanthropy in the area of blindness, and I felt their attitude to be negative, that blindness should be minimized and cured. The first nail in the coffin for me was when one of the group's officers described living with blindness as a miserable state, with me in the room. Fortunately, I have found other groups at my school to be much more blind-friendly and accessible. Sophie On Sep 5, 2018 7:18 AM, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Johna thanks for your message. I faced many obstacles while I was > in the process of obtaining my Bachelor's degree. My counselor at the Florida Division Of Blind Services refused to pay for my Bachelor's degree because she felt that I did not need a Bachelor's degree. I overcame this by having fiancial aid that covered the purchase of my books for class. My parents paid for my entire Bachelor's degree. My Dbs counselor provided me with the equipment that I used to take notes and complete other assignments. > > On Sep 4, 2018 11:57 PM, Johna Wright via NABS-L wrote: > > > > Hey, NABSters! > > > > I?m Johna, the face behind the social media profiles for NABS. First, I just wanted to let you all know that you?re awesome and you can conquer whatever the fall semester throws at you! Second, I thought I would start a discussion series on the ListServ, as well as social media, in order to get more of our membership involved and talking with each other. So, I?m proposing the following question: > > > > Have you ever encountered an access barrier with extracurricular/club/social activities at your school/university? If so, how did you overcome this barrier? > > > > Hopefully this discussion gives some of you guys ideas for how to address your owns personal obstacles. I look forward to reading your responses! > > > > Cheers, > > > > Johna Wright > > Vice President, National Federation of the Blind Community Service > > Division Social Media Chair, National Association of Blind Students > > _______________________________________________ From osman.koroma0514 at gmail.com Thu Sep 6 15:32:44 2018 From: osman.koroma0514 at gmail.com (Osman Koroma) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 11:32:44 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Braille Displays Message-ID: <68C058CB-E7C8-4937-B6A4-A1BE89A7D709@gmail.com> Hello all, I am planning on buying an braille display to use for school. I would like an display that comes with note taker. Do any of you have ideas of display to get? "Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened" (Matthew 7:7-8). www.osmankoroma.com www.twitter.com/osmankoroma www.facebook.com/osmankoromaauthor From ljmaher03 at outlook.com Thu Sep 6 15:47:06 2018 From: ljmaher03 at outlook.com (Louis Maher) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 15:47:06 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Braille Displays In-Reply-To: <68C058CB-E7C8-4937-B6A4-A1BE89A7D709@gmail.com> References: <68C058CB-E7C8-4937-B6A4-A1BE89A7D709@gmail.com> Message-ID: I have a two display suggestion. The APH Orbit 20 is a $500 display that can take notes and connect to cell phones and all types of computers (https://www.aph.org/orbit-reader-20/). The VFO Focus 40 is an excellent 40-cell Braille display (https://www.freedomscientific.com/Products/Blindness/FocusBlueBrailleDisplays). Of course 80-cells are better, but more expensive and less portable. Regards Louis Maher Phone: 713-444-7838 E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Osman Koroma via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2018 10:33 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: Osman Koroma Subject: [NABS-L] Braille Displays Hello all, I am planning on buying an braille display to use for school. I would like an display that comes with note taker. Do any of you have ideas of display to get? "Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 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Fundraising Gets Us There! - Sunday, Sept. 9 at 9pm eastern Message-ID: <001e01d445fe$6ff69df0$4fe3d9d0$@gmail.com> Hi family!! Please join us for our second Fundraising Committee call this Sunday, September 9 at 9pm eastern! You may not think fundraising is all that fun, but we will try out best to bring joy to your Sunday evening blues!! Not to mention, those that participate in fundraising initiatives are involved in planning NABS events and the decisions behind purchasing NABS swag and merchandise! Call - 712-770-5197,,265669. When - Sunday, September 9 at 9pm eastern. Love to you all; and talk soon! * Kathryn Kathryn C. Webster President | National Association of Blind Students A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind (203) 273-8463 Nabs.president at gmail.com | www.nabslink.org From blindmath at nfbnet.org Fri Sep 7 00:39:09 2018 From: blindmath at nfbnet.org (Ken Perry via BlindMath) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2018 19:39:09 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] [BlindMath] Accessible Calculator survey Message-ID: Jeanette Wicker and I are the project leaders at APH for the Orion TI-84 Plus Talking Graphing Calculator and the Orion TI-30XS MultiView Talking Scientific Calculator. We need your help. APH is exploring the use of calculators in STEM classes. Can you please take a few minutes to complete this short (5 questions) survey on the use of calculators? https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/STEM-calculators If you know of others who might help us with this survey, please share with them. Thanks for your help, Ken and Jeanette _______________________________________________ BlindMath mailing list BlindMath at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindmath_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindMath: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindmath_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com BlindMath Gems can be found at From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Fri Sep 7 02:21:56 2018 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail LMT,CMLDT) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 22:21:56 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Tips on using a support cane Message-ID: Hi everyone, I 'm not sure ware to post this but I was hoping I could find some help. I sprained my ankle 3 weeks ago and need to use a support cane along with the long white cane but I'm not sure how to use both at once. I was hoping I could find a few people who use 2 canes at the same time so I could get some tips my physical therapist and I could use while my ankle heals. Thanks for your help. Rania, -- Rania Ismail LMT, CMLDT From janae.burgmeier at gmail.com Fri Sep 7 16:37:14 2018 From: janae.burgmeier at gmail.com (Janae Burgmeier) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2018 11:37:14 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Outreach theme update. Message-ID: <7BD35C02-F83C-4BB1-96A3-3240471E1B20@gmail.com> October is disability employment month, however since we usually celebrate meet the blind month in October, September’s outreach theme will be employment. If you or someone you know has a unique career to share on either our blog or membership call. Please let us know. Also, we are getting our podcast going. Please send suggestions and audio clips to nabsnowpodcadt at gmail.com Janae Burgmeier Outreach Chair From mauraloberg at gmail.com Fri Sep 7 17:14:48 2018 From: mauraloberg at gmail.com (Maura Loberg) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2018 12:14:48 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Outreach theme update. Message-ID: <5b92b214.1c69fb81.80e56.14c5@mx.google.com> I have a unique-ish internship type of job this summer, is that okay? On Sep 7, 2018 11:37 AM, Janae Burgmeier via NABS-L wrote: > > October is disability employment month, however since we usually celebrate meet the blind  month in October, September’s outreach theme will be employment. > > If you or someone you know has a unique career to share on either our blog or membership call. Please let us know. > > Also, we are getting our podcast going. Please send suggestions and audio clips to nabsnowpodcadt at gmail.com > > Janae Burgmeier > Outreach Chair > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmail.com From bluezinfandel at hotmail.com Sat Sep 8 14:33:10 2018 From: bluezinfandel at hotmail.com (Ben Fulton) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2018 14:33:10 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Tips on using a support cane Message-ID: Hi Rania, I had a sprain a while ago now. You will need to use the support cane in the same hand as the injured ankle. So, if you sprained your right ankle, you will need to use the support cane in your right hand. This means you will be using your long cane in your left hand. It might take some getting used to if you are right handed, but I have found benefits to being able to use my white cane in either hand. Also, I found that if I was wearing jeans, I could loop the elastic on my cane around a belt loop. This would let me keep the cane on my person, while leaving my hand free. You might find this especially usefull if you need one hand for the support cane. The technique to using your white cane will be about the same, other than having to adjust to using a different hand, and you will likely be going a lot slower, but it shouldn't be too much of an adjustment. All the best, Ben Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 22:21:56 -0400 From: "Rania Ismail LMT,CMLDT" To: NABS-L at nfbnet.org Subject: [NABS-L] Tips on using a support cane Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi everyone, I 'm not sure ware to post this but I was hoping I could find some help. I sprained my ankle 3 weeks ago and need to use a support cane along with the long white cane but I'm not sure how to use both at once. I was hoping I could find a few people who use 2 canes at the same time so I could get some tips my physical therapist and I could use while my ankle heals. Thanks for your help. Rania, -- Rania Ismail LMT, CMLDT From bluezinfandel at hotmail.com Sat Sep 8 14:37:21 2018 From: bluezinfandel at hotmail.com (Ben Fulton) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2018 14:37:21 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Crave T.v. Message-ID: Hi All, Apologies if this is not on topic, but I wasn't sure where to post. I'm wondering if anyone here knows whether Crave T.v. has descriptive video, and if so how to turn it on. I have enjoyed netflicks and their descriptive video, but Crave has a different selection, and I want to watch some of the shows they have. If anyone has any knowledge, or can direct me to an appropriate forum, I would appreciate it. All the best, Ben From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Sat Sep 8 16:58:56 2018 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail LMT,CMLDT) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2018 12:58:56 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Tips on using a support cane In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Ben. How about going up and down stairs with both canes? On 9/8/18, Ben Fulton via NABS-L wrote: > Hi Rania, > > I had a sprain a while ago now. > You will need to use the support cane in the same hand as the injured ankle. > So, if you sprained your right ankle, you will need to use the support cane > in your right hand. This means you will be using your long cane in your left > hand. It might take some getting used to if you are right handed, but I have > found benefits to being able to use my white cane in either hand. > > Also, I found that if I was wearing jeans, I could loop the elastic on my > cane around a belt loop. This would let me keep the cane on my person, while > leaving my hand free. You might find this especially usefull if you need one > hand for the support cane. > > The technique to using your white cane will be about the same, other than > having to adjust to using a different hand, and you will likely be going a > lot slower, but it shouldn't be too much of an adjustment. > > All the best, > Ben > Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 22:21:56 -0400 > From: "Rania Ismail LMT,CMLDT" > To: NABS-L at nfbnet.org > Subject: [NABS-L] Tips on using a support cane > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hi everyone, I 'm not sure ware to post this but I was hoping I could > find some help. I sprained my ankle 3 weeks ago and need to use a > support cane along with the long white cane but I'm not sure how to > use both at once. I was hoping I could find a few people who use 2 > canes at the same time so I could get some tips my physical therapist > and I could use while my ankle heals. Thanks for your help. Rania, > > -- > Rania Ismail LMT, CMLDT > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com > -- Rania Ismail LMT, CMLDT From sarah at sarahblakelarose.com Sat Sep 8 18:39:39 2018 From: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com (sarah at sarahblakelarose.com) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2018 14:39:39 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Tips on using a support cane In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002001d447a3$4f51cfb0$edf56f10$@sarahblakelarose.com> Hi Rania. I also had a sprain recently. I modified my cane technique due to the fact that I was walking more slowly and I am not a strong left-hand cane user. On stairs I dangled my cane and used the support cane and railing when possible, putting the support cane down ahead of me and using it as a combination support and measure of the height of step. HTH. Rev. Sarah Blake LaRose http://www.sarahblakelarose.com Accessible instruction in Biblical languages -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Rania Ismail LMT,CMLDT via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2018 12:59 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Rania Ismail LMT,CMLDT Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Tips on using a support cane Thanks Ben. How about going up and down stairs with both canes? On 9/8/18, Ben Fulton via NABS-L wrote: > Hi Rania, > > I had a sprain a while ago now. > You will need to use the support cane in the same hand as the injured ankle. > So, if you sprained your right ankle, you will need to use the support > cane in your right hand. This means you will be using your long cane > in your left hand. It might take some getting used to if you are right > handed, but I have found benefits to being able to use my white cane in either hand. > > Also, I found that if I was wearing jeans, I could loop the elastic on > my cane around a belt loop. This would let me keep the cane on my > person, while leaving my hand free. You might find this especially > usefull if you need one hand for the support cane. > > The technique to using your white cane will be about the same, other > than having to adjust to using a different hand, and you will likely > be going a lot slower, but it shouldn't be too much of an adjustment. > > All the best, > Ben > Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 22:21:56 -0400 > From: "Rania Ismail LMT,CMLDT" > To: NABS-L at nfbnet.org > Subject: [NABS-L] Tips on using a support cane > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hi everyone, I 'm not sure ware to post this but I was hoping I could > find some help. I sprained my ankle 3 weeks ago and need to use a > support cane along with the long white cane but I'm not sure how to > use both at once. I was hoping I could find a few people who use 2 > canes at the same time so I could get some tips my physical therapist > and I could use while my ankle heals. Thanks for your help. Rania, > > -- > Rania Ismail LMT, CMLDT > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gm > ail.com > -- Rania Ismail LMT, CMLDT _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah%40sarahblakelarose.com From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Sat Sep 8 21:07:59 2018 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail LMT,CMLDT) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2018 17:07:59 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Tips on using a support cane In-Reply-To: <002001d447a3$4f51cfb0$edf56f10$@sarahblakelarose.com> References: <002001d447a3$4f51cfb0$edf56f10$@sarahblakelarose.com> Message-ID: That's helpful thank you. Going to find out if I got the rite support cane. I'm looking forward to working with my physical therapist to try out the tips you both have given me. I'm a right handed cane user so using the left hand for my cane and the right for the support cane is going to be interesting. I am already doing a slow walk with out the support cane so I'm interested in putting the tips you gave me to use. Thanks again. On 9/8/18, Sarah via NABS-L wrote: > Hi Rania. > I also had a sprain recently. > I modified my cane technique due to the fact that I was walking more slowly > and I am not a strong left-hand cane user. On stairs I dangled my cane and > used the support cane and railing when possible, putting the support cane > down ahead of me and using it as a combination support and measure of the > height of step. > HTH. > > > Rev. Sarah Blake LaRose > http://www.sarahblakelarose.com > Accessible instruction in Biblical languages > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Rania Ismail LMT,CMLDT > via NABS-L > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2018 12:59 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Rania Ismail LMT,CMLDT > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Tips on using a support cane > > Thanks Ben. How about going up and down stairs with both canes? > > On 9/8/18, Ben Fulton via NABS-L wrote: >> Hi Rania, >> >> I had a sprain a while ago now. >> You will need to use the support cane in the same hand as the injured >> ankle. >> So, if you sprained your right ankle, you will need to use the support >> cane in your right hand. This means you will be using your long cane >> in your left hand. It might take some getting used to if you are right >> handed, but I have found benefits to being able to use my white cane in >> either hand. >> >> Also, I found that if I was wearing jeans, I could loop the elastic on >> my cane around a belt loop. This would let me keep the cane on my >> person, while leaving my hand free. You might find this especially >> usefull if you need one hand for the support cane. >> >> The technique to using your white cane will be about the same, other >> than having to adjust to using a different hand, and you will likely >> be going a lot slower, but it shouldn't be too much of an adjustment. >> >> All the best, >> Ben >> Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 22:21:56 -0400 >> From: "Rania Ismail LMT,CMLDT" >> To: NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [NABS-L] Tips on using a support cane >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> Hi everyone, I 'm not sure ware to post this but I was hoping I could >> find some help. I sprained my ankle 3 weeks ago and need to use a >> support cane along with the long white cane but I'm not sure how to >> use both at once. I was hoping I could find a few people who use 2 >> canes at the same time so I could get some tips my physical therapist >> and I could use while my ankle heals. Thanks for your help. Rania, >> >> -- >> Rania Ismail LMT, CMLDT >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gm >> ail.com >> > > > -- > Rania Ismail LMT, CMLDT > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah%40sarahblakelarose.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com > -- Rania Ismail LMT, CMLDT From sarah at sarahblakelarose.com Sat Sep 8 22:08:34 2018 From: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com (sarah at sarahblakelarose.com) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2018 18:08:34 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Tips on using a support cane In-Reply-To: References: <002001d447a3$4f51cfb0$edf56f10$@sarahblakelarose.com> Message-ID: <001001d447c0$7d5607b0$78021710$@sarahblakelarose.com> You're welcome. I think that if I had been doing this for a long period of time, I probably would have asked for crutches. It would have made use of the cane impossible but I would have felt more secure in my general walking because my cane use aggravated my healing progress, especially outdoors. This may be specific to me and how I navigate. Rev. Sarah Blake LaRose http://www.sarahblakelarose.com Accessible instruction in Biblical languages -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Rania Ismail LMT,CMLDT via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2018 5:08 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Rania Ismail LMT,CMLDT Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Tips on using a support cane That's helpful thank you. Going to find out if I got the rite support cane. I'm looking forward to working with my physical therapist to try out the tips you both have given me. I'm a right handed cane user so using the left hand for my cane and the right for the support cane is going to be interesting. I am already doing a slow walk with out the support cane so I'm interested in putting the tips you gave me to use. Thanks again. On 9/8/18, Sarah via NABS-L wrote: > Hi Rania. > I also had a sprain recently. > I modified my cane technique due to the fact that I was walking more > slowly and I am not a strong left-hand cane user. On stairs I dangled > my cane and used the support cane and railing when possible, putting > the support cane down ahead of me and using it as a combination > support and measure of the height of step. > HTH. > > > Rev. Sarah Blake LaRose > http://www.sarahblakelarose.com > Accessible instruction in Biblical languages > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Rania Ismail > LMT,CMLDT via NABS-L > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2018 12:59 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: Rania Ismail LMT,CMLDT > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Tips on using a support cane > > Thanks Ben. How about going up and down stairs with both canes? > > On 9/8/18, Ben Fulton via NABS-L wrote: >> Hi Rania, >> >> I had a sprain a while ago now. >> You will need to use the support cane in the same hand as the injured >> ankle. >> So, if you sprained your right ankle, you will need to use the >> support cane in your right hand. This means you will be using your >> long cane in your left hand. It might take some getting used to if >> you are right handed, but I have found benefits to being able to use >> my white cane in either hand. >> >> Also, I found that if I was wearing jeans, I could loop the elastic >> on my cane around a belt loop. This would let me keep the cane on my >> person, while leaving my hand free. You might find this especially >> usefull if you need one hand for the support cane. >> >> The technique to using your white cane will be about the same, other >> than having to adjust to using a different hand, and you will likely >> be going a lot slower, but it shouldn't be too much of an adjustment. >> >> All the best, >> Ben >> Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 22:21:56 -0400 >> From: "Rania Ismail LMT,CMLDT" >> To: NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [NABS-L] Tips on using a support cane >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> Hi everyone, I 'm not sure ware to post this but I was hoping I could >> find some help. I sprained my ankle 3 weeks ago and need to use a >> support cane along with the long white cane but I'm not sure how to >> use both at once. I was hoping I could find a few people who use 2 >> canes at the same time so I could get some tips my physical >> therapist and I could use while my ankle heals. Thanks for your help. >> Rania, >> >> -- >> Rania Ismail LMT, CMLDT >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40g >> m >> ail.com >> > > > -- > Rania Ismail LMT, CMLDT > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah%40sarahblake > larose.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gm > ail.com > -- Rania Ismail LMT, CMLDT _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah%40sarahblakelarose.com From sarah at sarahblakelarose.com Sat Sep 8 22:13:56 2018 From: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com (sarah at sarahblakelarose.com) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2018 18:13:56 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] charts and theses/dissertations Message-ID: <002c01d447c1$3cdca3a0$b695eae0$@sarahblakelarose.com> Hello. I am working on my dissertation and have a need to get chart data in, some of which is demographic and some of which is statistical. I can run the statistics in Excel. Can this be exported and imported to Word? Rev. Sarah Blake LaRose http://www.sarahblakelarose.com Accessible instruction in Biblical languages From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Sat Sep 8 22:47:30 2018 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail LMT,CMLDT) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2018 18:47:30 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Tips on using a support cane In-Reply-To: <001001d447c0$7d5607b0$78021710$@sarahblakelarose.com> References: <002001d447a3$4f51cfb0$edf56f10$@sarahblakelarose.com> <001001d447c0$7d5607b0$78021710$@sarahblakelarose.com> Message-ID: I find that times just standing on it for a few minutes or just walking to change my cats food and water makes it hurt. The same goes for walking fast well trying to because that also makes my foot hurt as well. I'm limping by lifting my left foot and taking steps with the right foot the good one. Cruches won't work for me because I'm in a small space. I know it's going to be difficult but I new there had to be a solution to using both canes at once. I'm glad I posted the question. On 9/8/18, Sarah via NABS-L wrote: > You're welcome. I think that if I had been doing this for a long period of > time, I probably would have asked for crutches. It would have made use of > the cane impossible but I would have felt more secure in my general walking > because my cane use aggravated my healing progress, especially outdoors. > This may be specific to me and how I navigate. > > Rev. Sarah Blake LaRose > http://www.sarahblakelarose.com > Accessible instruction in Biblical languages > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Rania Ismail LMT,CMLDT > via NABS-L > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2018 5:08 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Rania Ismail LMT,CMLDT > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Tips on using a support cane > > That's helpful thank you. Going to find out if I got the rite support cane. > I'm looking forward to working with my physical therapist to try out the > tips you both have given me. I'm a right handed cane user so using the left > hand for my cane and the right for the support cane is going to be > interesting. I am already doing a slow walk with out the support cane so I'm > interested in putting the tips you gave me to use. > Thanks again. > > On 9/8/18, Sarah via NABS-L wrote: >> Hi Rania. >> I also had a sprain recently. >> I modified my cane technique due to the fact that I was walking more >> slowly and I am not a strong left-hand cane user. On stairs I dangled >> my cane and used the support cane and railing when possible, putting >> the support cane down ahead of me and using it as a combination >> support and measure of the height of step. >> HTH. >> >> >> Rev. Sarah Blake LaRose >> http://www.sarahblakelarose.com >> Accessible instruction in Biblical languages >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Rania Ismail >> LMT,CMLDT via NABS-L >> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2018 12:59 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Rania Ismail LMT,CMLDT >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Tips on using a support cane >> >> Thanks Ben. How about going up and down stairs with both canes? >> >> On 9/8/18, Ben Fulton via NABS-L wrote: >>> Hi Rania, >>> >>> I had a sprain a while ago now. >>> You will need to use the support cane in the same hand as the injured >>> ankle. >>> So, if you sprained your right ankle, you will need to use the >>> support cane in your right hand. This means you will be using your >>> long cane in your left hand. It might take some getting used to if >>> you are right handed, but I have found benefits to being able to use >>> my white cane in either hand. >>> >>> Also, I found that if I was wearing jeans, I could loop the elastic >>> on my cane around a belt loop. This would let me keep the cane on my >>> person, while leaving my hand free. You might find this especially >>> usefull if you need one hand for the support cane. >>> >>> The technique to using your white cane will be about the same, other >>> than having to adjust to using a different hand, and you will likely >>> be going a lot slower, but it shouldn't be too much of an adjustment. >>> >>> All the best, >>> Ben >>> Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 22:21:56 -0400 >>> From: "Rania Ismail LMT,CMLDT" >>> To: NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [NABS-L] Tips on using a support cane >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>> >>> Hi everyone, I 'm not sure ware to post this but I was hoping I could >>> find some help. I sprained my ankle 3 weeks ago and need to use a >>> support cane along with the long white cane but I'm not sure how to >>> use both at once. I was hoping I could find a few people who use 2 >>> canes at the same time so I could get some tips my physical >>> therapist and I could use while my ankle heals. Thanks for your help. >>> Rania, >>> >>> -- >>> Rania Ismail LMT, CMLDT >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40g >>> m >>> ail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Rania Ismail LMT, CMLDT >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah%40sarahblake >> larose.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gm >> ail.com >> > > > -- > Rania Ismail LMT, CMLDT > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah%40sarahblakelarose.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com > -- Rania Ismail LMT, CMLDT From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sat Sep 8 22:48:02 2018 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2018 18:48:02 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] charts and theses/dissertations In-Reply-To: <002c01d447c1$3cdca3a0$b695eae0$@sarahblakelarose.com> References: <002c01d447c1$3cdca3a0$b695eae0$@sarahblakelarose.com> Message-ID: <066c01d447c6$006a7320$013f5960$@gmail.com> Yes, it can be imported, but I'd have to work out exactly how that's done. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sarah via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2018 6:14 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com Subject: [NABS-L] charts and theses/dissertations Hello. I am working on my dissertation and have a need to get chart data in, some of which is demographic and some of which is statistical. I can run the statistics in Excel. Can this be exported and imported to Word? Rev. Sarah Blake LaRose http://www.sarahblakelarose.com Accessible instruction in Biblical languages _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From amieelsabo at gmail.com Sat Sep 8 23:20:44 2018 From: amieelsabo at gmail.com (Amy Sabo) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2018 17:20:44 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] Crave T.v. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hello ben, well, to answer your question I have never heard of crave tv at all! maybe you can tell us more about here on this list? also, I will also forward your message to the perform-talk list so, people on that list can also assist you since that's a list for things in the performing arts and tv is a part of it! thanks again and, good luck with your information. hugs, amy On 9/8/18, Ben Fulton via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi All, > > Apologies if this is not on topic, but I wasn't sure where to post. I'm > wondering if anyone here knows whether Crave T.v. has descriptive video, and > if so how to turn it on. I have enjoyed netflicks and their descriptive > video, but Crave has a different selection, and I want to watch some of the > shows they have. If anyone has any knowledge, or can direct me to an > appropriate forum, I would appreciate it. > > All the best, > Ben > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amieelsabo%40gmail.com > From a.vias at outlook.com Sun Sep 9 00:09:56 2018 From: a.vias at outlook.com (Armando Vias) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 00:09:56 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Testing Message-ID: Sent from my iPhone From aliherky at gmail.com Sun Sep 9 00:28:25 2018 From: aliherky at gmail.com (Ali) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2018 19:28:25 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Testing Message-ID: <5b94693d.1c69fb81.fc232.a29d@mx.google.com> Got it! ----- Original Message ----- From: Armando Vias via NABS-L Hello I'm new to the list and wanted to Introduce myself. My name is Alisha. I'm from Dickson Tennessee. I've been blind since birth and my eye condition is optic nerve hypoplasia. I have some residual vision. I see better out of my right eye than I do my left. And read a Blog. My main goal with it is to educate sided people, and help fellow blind and visually impaired people. Feel free to check it out. I just started it. I will try my best to post every Friday. The link is below. Thank you Blog: https://blindandvisuallyimpairedlifehacks.wordpress.com From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Sun Sep 9 02:26:38 2018 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 02:26:38 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Looking for some Advocacy Assistance Message-ID: Hello All, One of my professors this semester is refusing to provide me with accommodations so I can receive equal access to the course materials for my class. I have been spending most of my time trying to figure out how to deal with this situation. So far nothing I have tried has worked. My professor is rather argumentative and uncooperative. And it does not appear as though having someone from the disabilities office talk with her has done anything to improve this situation. So if there is anyone on this email list who would be willing to help me figure out the best way to deal with this situation, I would greatly appreciate it. I am honestly not quite sure what to do next. But it is possible I may need to file complaints against my professor and possibly my college. So I would greatly appreciate hearing from anyone who would be interested and willing to help me in regards to this situation. Thanks, Elizabeth From eschlenker at cox.net Sun Sep 9 02:29:45 2018 From: eschlenker at cox.net (Emily Schlenker) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2018 21:29:45 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Looking for some Advocacy Assistance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <90459FC4-7BD7-48FE-B4E2-7ECB0210DCD4@cox.net> What subject? Feel free to call me. 316-644-4227 Emily Schlenker Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2018, at 9:26 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello All, > > One of my professors this semester is refusing to provide me with accommodations so I can receive equal access to the course materials for my class. I have been spending most of my time trying to figure out how to deal with this situation. So far nothing I have tried has worked. My professor is rather argumentative and uncooperative. And it does not appear as though having someone from the disabilities office talk with her has done anything to improve this situation. > > So if there is anyone on this email list who would be willing to help me figure out the best way to deal with this situation, I would greatly appreciate it. I am honestly not quite sure what to do next. But it is possible I may need to file complaints against my professor and possibly my college. So I would greatly appreciate hearing from anyone who would be interested and willing to help me in regards to this situation. > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/eschlenker%40cox.net From zdreicer at gmail.com Sun Sep 9 02:35:12 2018 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2018 20:35:12 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] Looking for some Advocacy Assistance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I’ve been there and done that many times. I would first start by speaking with the head of the department. If that doesn’t work you might want to try an ethics complaint. Let me know if you need further assistance and I’d be glad to help… The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver > On Sep 8, 2018, at 20:26, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello All, > > One of my professors this semester is refusing to provide me with accommodations so I can receive equal access to the course materials for my class. I have been spending most of my time trying to figure out how to deal with this situation. So far nothing I have tried has worked. My professor is rather argumentative and uncooperative. And it does not appear as though having someone from the disabilities office talk with her has done anything to improve this situation. > > So if there is anyone on this email list who would be willing to help me figure out the best way to deal with this situation, I would greatly appreciate it. I am honestly not quite sure what to do next. But it is possible I may need to file complaints against my professor and possibly my college. So I would greatly appreciate hearing from anyone who would be interested and willing to help me in regards to this situation. > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com From zdreicer at gmail.com Sun Sep 9 02:38:10 2018 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2018 20:38:10 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] I'm new In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7A13800B-711D-441C-B080-BA4564481015@gmail.com> Welcome to the list! Where are you at with your education? The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver > On Sep 8, 2018, at 18:34, Blind Hacks 101 via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello > > I'm new to the list and wanted to Introduce myself. My name is Alisha. I'm > from Dickson Tennessee. I've been blind since birth and my eye condition is > optic nerve hypoplasia. I have some residual vision. I see better out of my > right eye than I do my left. And read a Blog. My main goal with it is to > educate sided people, and help fellow blind and visually impaired people. > Feel free to check it out. I just started it. I will try my best to post > every Friday. The link is below. > > Thank you > > Blog: https://blindandvisuallyimpairedlifehacks.wordpress.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com From lakeria2009 at gmail.com Sun Sep 9 03:16:36 2018 From: lakeria2009 at gmail.com (Lakeria Taylor) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2018 22:16:36 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Looking for some Advocacy Assistance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6C95A011-0682-4B02-BF43-B4856CBA947B@gmail.com> In what ways is your professor being unreasonable? Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2018, at 9:35 PM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L wrote: > > I’ve been there and done that many times. I would first start by speaking with the head of the department. If that doesn’t work you might want to try an ethics complaint. Let me know if you need further assistance and I’d be glad to help… > > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. > Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver > >> On Sep 8, 2018, at 20:26, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hello All, >> >> One of my professors this semester is refusing to provide me with accommodations so I can receive equal access to the course materials for my class. I have been spending most of my time trying to figure out how to deal with this situation. So far nothing I have tried has worked. My professor is rather argumentative and uncooperative. And it does not appear as though having someone from the disabilities office talk with her has done anything to improve this situation. >> >> So if there is anyone on this email list who would be willing to help me figure out the best way to deal with this situation, I would greatly appreciate it. I am honestly not quite sure what to do next. But it is possible I may need to file complaints against my professor and possibly my college. So I would greatly appreciate hearing from anyone who would be interested and willing to help me in regards to this situation. >> >> Thanks, >> Elizabeth >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lakeria2009%40gmail.com From sarah at sarahblakelarose.com Sun Sep 9 04:28:59 2018 From: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com (sarah at sarahblakelarose.com) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 00:28:59 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Looking for some Advocacy Assistance In-Reply-To: <90459FC4-7BD7-48FE-B4E2-7ECB0210DCD4@cox.net> References: <90459FC4-7BD7-48FE-B4E2-7ECB0210DCD4@cox.net> Message-ID: <000a01d447f5$a1f87000$e5e95000$@sarahblakelarose.com> Elizabeth, your next step is the dean of the department, unless that is the professor in question. If that is the problem, go up the chain to the provost. If that doesn't work, then you file a complaint against the university. Rev. Sarah Blake LaRose http://www.sarahblakelarose.com Accessible instruction in Biblical languages -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Emily Schlenker via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2018 10:30 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Emily Schlenker Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Looking for some Advocacy Assistance What subject? Feel free to call me. 316-644-4227 Emily Schlenker Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2018, at 9:26 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello All, > > One of my professors this semester is refusing to provide me with accommodations so I can receive equal access to the course materials for my class. I have been spending most of my time trying to figure out how to deal with this situation. So far nothing I have tried has worked. My professor is rather argumentative and uncooperative. And it does not appear as though having someone from the disabilities office talk with her has done anything to improve this situation. > > So if there is anyone on this email list who would be willing to help me figure out the best way to deal with this situation, I would greatly appreciate it. I am honestly not quite sure what to do next. But it is possible I may need to file complaints against my professor and possibly my college. So I would greatly appreciate hearing from anyone who would be interested and willing to help me in regards to this situation. > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/eschlenker%40cox.n > et _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah%40sarahblakelarose.com From sarah at sarahblakelarose.com Sun Sep 9 04:29:22 2018 From: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com (sarah at sarahblakelarose.com) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 00:29:22 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Looking for some Advocacy Assistance In-Reply-To: <90459FC4-7BD7-48FE-B4E2-7ECB0210DCD4@cox.net> References: <90459FC4-7BD7-48FE-B4E2-7ECB0210DCD4@cox.net> Message-ID: <000c01d447f5$af8781c0$0e968540$@sarahblakelarose.com> P.S. Do not delete any emails that document this problem. Rev. Sarah Blake LaRose http://www.sarahblakelarose.com Accessible instruction in Biblical languages -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Emily Schlenker via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2018 10:30 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Emily Schlenker Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Looking for some Advocacy Assistance What subject? Feel free to call me. 316-644-4227 Emily Schlenker Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2018, at 9:26 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello All, > > One of my professors this semester is refusing to provide me with accommodations so I can receive equal access to the course materials for my class. I have been spending most of my time trying to figure out how to deal with this situation. So far nothing I have tried has worked. My professor is rather argumentative and uncooperative. And it does not appear as though having someone from the disabilities office talk with her has done anything to improve this situation. > > So if there is anyone on this email list who would be willing to help me figure out the best way to deal with this situation, I would greatly appreciate it. I am honestly not quite sure what to do next. But it is possible I may need to file complaints against my professor and possibly my college. So I would greatly appreciate hearing from anyone who would be interested and willing to help me in regards to this situation. > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/eschlenker%40cox.n > et _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah%40sarahblakelarose.com From eschlenker at cox.net Sun Sep 9 04:44:11 2018 From: eschlenker at cox.net (Emily Schlenker) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2018 23:44:11 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Looking for some Advocacy Assistance In-Reply-To: References: <90459FC4-7BD7-48FE-B4E2-7ECB0210DCD4@cox.net> Message-ID: <07C9F657-8568-4ED0-86D0-A45C589BA0C6@cox.net> Do everything you possibly can by email in order to document this problem to the best of your ability. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2018, at 11:29 PM, Sarah via NABS-L wrote: > > P.S. Do not delete any emails that document this problem. > > > Rev. Sarah Blake LaRose > http://www.sarahblakelarose.com > Accessible instruction in Biblical languages > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Emily Schlenker via NABS-L > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2018 10:30 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Emily Schlenker > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Looking for some Advocacy Assistance > > What subject? Feel free to call me. 316-644-4227 Emily Schlenker > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 8, 2018, at 9:26 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hello All, >> >> One of my professors this semester is refusing to provide me with accommodations so I can receive equal access to the course materials for my class. I have been spending most of my time trying to figure out how to deal with this situation. So far nothing I have tried has worked. My professor is rather argumentative and uncooperative. And it does not appear as though having someone from the disabilities office talk with her has done anything to improve this situation. >> >> So if there is anyone on this email list who would be willing to help me figure out the best way to deal with this situation, I would greatly appreciate it. I am honestly not quite sure what to do next. But it is possible I may need to file complaints against my professor and possibly my college. So I would greatly appreciate hearing from anyone who would be interested and willing to help me in regards to this situation. >> >> Thanks, >> Elizabeth >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/eschlenker%40cox.n >> et > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah%40sarahblakelarose.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/eschlenker%40cox.net From alpineimagination at gmail.com Sun Sep 9 05:32:33 2018 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2018 22:32:33 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Reminder for CABS Back-to-School Membership Call Tomorrow Message-ID: <340E9B4D-1DB7-48A4-8400-59017CEC69D4@gmail.com> Hi All, This is just a reminder that the California Association of Blind Students will be having their membership call tomorrow, Sunday, September 9 at 4 PM PST. We will be having a back-to-school theme with the following discussion topics: Importance of a good sleep schedule Importance of communicating with professors and DSS Importance of learning your school's testing policy Importance of excercise Initiating conversations Problem-Solving Please come with your questions! Hope to see you there! The call-in number is (712) 770-4130, with access code 868746. Sincerely, Vejas Vasiliauskas Secretary and Treasurer of the California Association of Blind Students Phone: (310) 265-3949 Email: alpineimagination at gmail.com From alishag.important2018 at gmail.com Sun Sep 9 05:46:24 2018 From: alishag.important2018 at gmail.com (Blind Hacks 101) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 00:46:24 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] I'm new In-Reply-To: <7A13800B-711D-441C-B080-BA4564481015@gmail.com> References: <7A13800B-711D-441C-B080-BA4564481015@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm still in high school I at the moment On Sat, Sep 8, 2018, 9:38 PM Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer wrote: > Welcome to the list! Where are you at with your education? > > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the > characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the > expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles > between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; > blindness is not what holds you back. > Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver > > > On Sep 8, 2018, at 18:34, Blind Hacks 101 via NABS-L > wrote: > > > > Hello > > > > I'm new to the list and wanted to Introduce myself. My name is Alisha. > I'm > > from Dickson Tennessee. I've been blind since birth and my eye condition > is > > optic nerve hypoplasia. I have some residual vision. I see better out of > my > > right eye than I do my left. And read a Blog. My main goal with it is to > > educate sided people, and help fellow blind and visually impaired people. > > Feel free to check it out. I just started it. I will try my best to post > > every Friday. The link is below. > > > > Thank you > > > > Blog: https://blindandvisuallyimpairedlifehacks.wordpress.com > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com > From nabs.president at gmail.com Sun Sep 9 13:23:12 2018 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (President, NABS | Kathryn Webster) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 09:23:12 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Today Is the Day! Let's Raise Money at 9pm eastern tonight! Message-ID: <000f01d44840$42f27600$c8d76200$@gmail.com> Students, This is the final reminder to join our Fundraising Committee at 9pm eastern tonight. We are gearing up for Washington Seminar planning and fall funding! Lots to report out, so you won't want to miss tonight's call! Call - 712-770-5197,,265669. Love, Kathryn Kathryn C. Webster President | National Association of Blind Students A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind (203) 273-8463 Nabs.president at gmail.com | www.nabslink.org From nabs.president at gmail.com Sun Sep 9 13:30:22 2018 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (President, NABS | Kathryn Webster) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 09:30:22 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] I'm new In-Reply-To: References: <7A13800B-711D-441C-B080-BA4564481015@gmail.com> Message-ID: <005101d44841$4311a150$c934e3f0$@gmail.com> Good morning Alisha; and welcome to our NABS family! I love that you are blogging! We have monthly blog posts for NABS; and would so appreciate your contribution to that. I am confident that your personal experience and expertise with blogging will reach far and wide on our platform. I've copied Matt Gip (Blog Coordinator) and Janae Bergmeier (Outreach Committee Chair) to this message. Please feel free to reach out and get involved! We are excited to have you join our list. Love, Kathryn Kathryn C. Webster President | National Association of Blind Students A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind (203) 273-8463 Nabs.president at gmail.com | www.nabslink.org -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Blind Hacks 101 via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2018 1:46 AM To: Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer Cc: Blind Hacks 101 ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [NABS-L] I'm new I'm still in high school I at the moment On Sat, Sep 8, 2018, 9:38 PM Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer wrote: > Welcome to the list! Where are you at with your education? > > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the > characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the > expectations of blind people, because low expectations create > obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life > you want; blindness is not what holds you back. > Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver > > > On Sep 8, 2018, at 18:34, Blind Hacks 101 via NABS-L > > > wrote: > > > > Hello > > > > I'm new to the list and wanted to Introduce myself. My name is Alisha. > I'm > > from Dickson Tennessee. I've been blind since birth and my eye > > condition > is > > optic nerve hypoplasia. I have some residual vision. I see better > > out of > my > > right eye than I do my left. And read a Blog. My main goal with it > > is to educate sided people, and help fellow blind and visually impaired people. > > Feel free to check it out. I just started it. I will try my best to > > post every Friday. The link is below. > > > > Thank you > > > > Blog: https://blindandvisuallyimpairedlifehacks.wordpress.com > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail > > .com > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.c om From nabs.president at gmail.com Sun Sep 9 13:42:04 2018 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (President, NABS | Kathryn Webster) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 09:42:04 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Outreach theme update. In-Reply-To: <5b92b214.1c69fb81.80e56.14c5@mx.google.com> References: <5b92b214.1c69fb81.80e56.14c5@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <007f01d44842$e537d570$afa78050$@gmail.com> That is so perfect! Please connect with Mat Gip and Janae Burgmeier, copied on this message. Love, Kathryn Kathryn C. Webster President | National Association of Blind Students A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind (203) 273-8463 Nabs.president at gmail.com | www.nabslink.org -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Maura Loberg via NABS-L Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 1:15 PM To: Janae Burgmeier via NABS-L Cc: Maura Loberg Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Outreach theme update. I have a unique-ish internship type of job this summer, is that okay? On Sep 7, 2018 11:37 AM, Janae Burgmeier via NABS-L wrote: > > October is disability employment month, however since we usually celebrate meet the blind month in October, September’s outreach theme will be employment. > > If you or someone you know has a unique career to share on either our blog or membership call. Please let us know. > > Also, we are getting our podcast going. Please send suggestions and audio clips to nabsnowpodcadt at gmail.com > > Janae Burgmeier > Outreach Chair > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com From bluezinfandel at hotmail.com Sun Sep 9 15:45:59 2018 From: bluezinfandel at hotmail.com (Ben Fulton) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 15:45:59 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Crave T.v. (Amy Sabo) Message-ID: Hi Amy, Thank you. I actually called Crave about this. - Crave T.V. is another streaming service, it's very much like net flicks but it has a different selection. It's like having another channel to watch. It's about 20$ a month, but they do not have descriptive video. Crave is not as old as net flicks, and the person on the phone said "they're working on it" but for the time being the descriptive video is not an option for this streaming service. Have a great day, Ben Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Crave T.v. Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" hello ben, well, to answer your question I have never heard of crave tv at all! maybe you can tell us more about here on this list? also, I will also forward your message to the perform-talk list so, people on that list can also assist you since that's a list for things in the performing arts and tv is a part of it! thanks again and, good luck with your information. hugs, amy On 9/8/18, Ben Fulton via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi All, > > Apologies if this is not on topic, but I wasn't sure where to post. I'm > wondering if anyone here knows whether Crave T.v. has descriptive video, and > if so how to turn it on. I have enjoyed netflicks and their descriptive > video, but Crave has a different selection, and I want to watch some of the > shows they have. If anyone has any knowledge, or can direct me to an > appropriate forum, I would appreciate it. > > All the best, > Ben > From bluezinfandel at hotmail.com Sun Sep 9 15:56:25 2018 From: bluezinfandel at hotmail.com (Ben Fulton) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 15:56:25 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Tips on using a support cane Message-ID: Hi Rania, For stairs you might want to loop the cane like I mentioned, or in some way put the white cane away, I would say you definitely want a folding cane for this. And then hold the handrail. If you can have the handrail with your bad ankle, and then you can use your arm on the rail to take the weight off your bad ankle, and use the support cane to detect what is on the stair case until you get to the top or bottom of the stairs, and take out the white cane again. Takes a few extra minutes, but will keep weight off your ankle. If you don't have a handrail on the side you need it, use the handrail anyway, just be a little more careful putting your weight on the support cane. You may have to sweep with the support cane, then use it for support to take a step, and repeat. From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Sun Sep 9 18:23:23 2018 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 18:23:23 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Tips on using a support cane In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Rania, I found it easier to use crutches or a walker instead of a support cane. The crutches do not take up any more space than a long white cane and a support cane. And I know from personal experience that it is possible to get around in tight or small spaces while using crutches. I found crutches to provide more support than a support cane. And using the crutches meant that I did not have to switch hands to use my long white cane. Instead, I simply used the crutch that was on the side where I normally use my long white cane in a similar manner as my long white cane. I was already walking rather slow, so I found sweeping one of the crutches out in front of me before taking a step forward worked well for me. You already need to position the crutches ahead of you as you step. So I simply swept one of the crutches across my body to make sure I was stepping in a place that was safe for me to step. I do not have much experience using a support cane or crutches with stairs though. I normally use the handrail on the side of my bad ankle. And when I step, I place my good ankle on the next step while leaving the bad ankle on the previous step. This way I am placing more of my weight on my good ankle rather than my bad ankle. I still have problems with my ankle even though my injury has healed. If I were using a support cane or crutches, I would place them on the next step to help me keep my balance as I am stepping up to the next step. But you can try different things to see what would work best for you. You can also find various boots and braces to help provide more support for your ankle as it heals. You can get a boot type caste that immobilizes the entire ankle from your doctor, or you can get a lace up support brace from a rehabilitation supply store or a good athletic store. I have always found the lace up support braces to be helpful even though they are a bit of a pain to put on. Anyway, I hope this helps you figure out a way to get around as your ankle heals. Please let me know if you have any further questions. Warm regards, Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rania Ismail LMT,CMLDT via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 10:22 PM To: NABS-L at nfbnet.org Cc: Rania Ismail LMT,CMLDT Subject: [NABS-L] Tips on using a support cane Hi everyone, I 'm not sure ware to post this but I was hoping I could find some help. I sprained my ankle 3 weeks ago and need to use a support cane along with the long white cane but I'm not sure how to use both at once. I was hoping I could find a few people who use 2 canes at the same time so I could get some tips my physical therapist and I could use while my ankle heals. Thanks for your help. Rania, -- Rania Ismail LMT, CMLDT _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Sun Sep 9 21:46:33 2018 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 21:46:33 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Looking for some Advocacy Assistance Message-ID: Hello All, I greatly appreciate all the responses I received in regards to my professor who is not willing to provide me with the accommodations I need for my class. However, I often find it difficult to communicate effectively when I am under a lot of stress or tired. So I am wondering if there is anyone out there who would be willing to help me write emails, fill out any complaint forms, and attend any meetings with college administrators with me. Or at the very least help me by reading through what I write to make sure it sounds okay. I have put a lot of time and effort into figuring out how to be successful in this class. In fact, I have not been able to spend as much time on my other classes because I have been spending so much time trying to figure out how to deal with this one class. I thought the extra things I have been doing for this class would be enough for me to be successful in this class. So I did not take any notes from the few short meetings I had with my professor. And I was stupid enough not to record any of my meetings with her like I normally do when I meet with people. So now I have to figure out a way to write out all my interactions with my professor without becoming over emotional about it. The last time I met with my professor all she wanted to do was argue with me. And I ended up crying after my meeting with her. I have never seen a professor be so resistant to any of my accommodations before. I understand the National Federation of the Blind does not necessarily provide assistance to individuals who are struggling to receive accommodations as a blind student. But I guess I was hoping that there might be someone out there who might be willing to help me. Thanks, Elizabeth From eschlenker at cox.net Sun Sep 9 22:08:23 2018 From: eschlenker at cox.net (Emily Schlenker) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 17:08:23 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Looking for some Advocacy Assistance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8BBDC9E8-7FD0-4363-8DF6-4E3D9F82DE44@cox.net> Elizabeth, this is why I thought it might be a good idea if you were to call me. I have actually been through the wars at my university which culminated in a federal complaint and intervention and assistance from the NFB. I would like to help, but I cannot see where you have actually answered any questions about what type of class and what subject and what is not being provided. It is normal to become emotional about these things, but you really need someone who is objective, thoughtful, and has some experience. You also need to be prepared to explain yourself in a clear and concise way. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 9, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello All, > > I greatly appreciate all the responses I received in regards to my professor who is not willing to provide me with the accommodations I need for my class. However, I often find it difficult to communicate effectively when I am under a lot of stress or tired. So I am wondering if there is anyone out there who would be willing to help me write emails, fill out any complaint forms, and attend any meetings with college administrators with me. Or at the very least help me by reading through what I write to make sure it sounds okay. > > I have put a lot of time and effort into figuring out how to be successful in this class. In fact, I have not been able to spend as much time on my other classes because I have been spending so much time trying to figure out how to deal with this one class. I thought the extra things I have been doing for this class would be enough for me to be successful in this class. So I did not take any notes from the few short meetings I had with my professor. And I was stupid enough not to record any of my meetings with her like I normally do when I meet with people. > > So now I have to figure out a way to write out all my interactions with my professor without becoming over emotional about it. The last time I met with my professor all she wanted to do was argue with me. And I ended up crying after my meeting with her. I have never seen a professor be so resistant to any of my accommodations before. > > I understand the National Federation of the Blind does not necessarily provide assistance to individuals who are struggling to receive accommodations as a blind student. But I guess I was hoping that there might be someone out there who might be willing to help me. > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/eschlenker%40cox.net From sarah at sarahblakelarose.com Sun Sep 9 23:05:36 2018 From: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com (Sarah Blake LaRose) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 19:05:36 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Looking for some Advocacy Assistance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <37917C39-A21C-4521-B19C-0DBFA318B63C@sarahblakelarose.com> Hi Elizabeth. I would also be willing to talk with you. Please feel free to message me privately if you would like and I will be glad to send you my phone number. I have dealt with professors who are bullies like this before and I understand that it is very emotionally upsetting. Sarah Blake LaRose http://www.sarahblakelarose.com Ps. 86:11 On Sep 9, 2018, at 5:46 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote: Hello All, I greatly appreciate all the responses I received in regards to my professor who is not willing to provide me with the accommodations I need for my class. However, I often find it difficult to communicate effectively when I am under a lot of stress or tired. So I am wondering if there is anyone out there who would be willing to help me write emails, fill out any complaint forms, and attend any meetings with college administrators with me. Or at the very least help me by reading through what I write to make sure it sounds okay. I have put a lot of time and effort into figuring out how to be successful in this class. In fact, I have not been able to spend as much time on my other classes because I have been spending so much time trying to figure out how to deal with this one class. I thought the extra things I have been doing for this class would be enough for me to be successful in this class. So I did not take any notes from the few short meetings I had with my professor. And I was stupid enough not to record any of my meetings with her like I normally do when I meet with people. So now I have to figure out a way to write out all my interactions with my professor without becoming over emotional about it. The last time I met with my professor all she wanted to do was argue with me. And I ended up crying after my meeting with her. I have never seen a professor be so resistant to any of my accommodations before. I understand the National Federation of the Blind does not necessarily provide assistance to individuals who are struggling to receive accommodations as a blind student. But I guess I was hoping that there might be someone out there who might be willing to help me. Thanks, Elizabeth _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah%40sarahblakelarose.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Sun Sep 9 23:07:03 2018 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 19:07:03 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Looking for some Advocacy Assistance Message-ID: <5b95a79a.1c69fb81.a13af.c68b@mx.google.com> Hi Elizabeth I would be happy to proofread any emails to this professor about this situation before you send them to your school's administration. On Sep 9, 2018 5:46 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello All, > > I greatly appreciate all the responses I received in regards to my professor who is not willing to provide me with the accommodations I need for my class. However, I often find it difficult to communicate effectively when I am under a lot of stress or tired. So I am wondering if there is anyone out there who would be willing to help me write emails, fill out any complaint forms, and attend any meetings with college administrators with me. Or at the very least help me by reading through what I write to make sure it sounds okay. > > I have put a lot of time and effort into figuring out how to be successful in this class. In fact, I have not been able to spend as much time on my other classes because I have been spending so much time trying to figure out how to deal with this one class. I thought the extra things I have been doing for this class would be enough for me to be successful in this class. So I did not take any notes from the few short meetings I had with my professor. And I was stupid enough not to record any of my meetings with her like I normally do when I meet with people. > > So now I have to figure out a way to write out all my interactions with my professor without becoming over emotional about it. The last time I met with my professor all she wanted to do was argue with me. And I ended up crying after my meeting with her. I have never seen a professor be so resistant to any of my accommodations before. > > I understand the National Federation of the Blind does not necessarily provide assistance to individuals who are struggling to receive accommodations as a blind student. But I guess I was hoping that there might be someone out there who might be willing to help me. > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Sun Sep 9 23:49:41 2018 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket X. Bidleman) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 16:49:41 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] CABS call recap Message-ID: Dear all, On behalf of the CABS board, I would like to thank everyone who was able to make it to our membership call this afternoon. We all recognize how busy people are, especially as school is just getting into the swing of things. That being said, we have calls like this to fuel productive discussion and to refresh us with the energy that being part of this organization and this movement gives us. We all have a common goal, and gaining an adequate understanding of others' experiences in relation to that goal is vital in achieving success. Toward that end, I want to recognize that a lot of you were not able to join us, and that's fine. Everyone is incredibly busy around this time of year, and it's important for all of us to be the successful students and people we are perfectly capable of being. The CABS board and I are always here as a resource for you, and to promote positive and productive discussion, I'm providing you with my contact information in case you'd like to talk about any of the themes that were discussed today. If you'd like to talk about anything else, feel free to reach out. You can reach me at this email address, which as a reminder is cricketbidleman at gmail.com. You can also reach me by phone or text at (805) 372-9550, though I will not be able to answer if I'm in class. I'm the first person who will readily recognize that I am by no means an expert in anything, but I will do everything I can to help you. If I do not have the information you're looking for, I may be able to provide you with some helpful resources, and I can always share my experiences. Thank you for taking the time to read this! Again, my number is (805) 372-9550, and my email is cricketbidleman at gmail.com. Best, Cricket X. Bidleman (she/her/hers) Stanford University | Class of 2021 Cell: (805) 372-9550 Email: cricketbidleman at gmail.com From ka.yat.li at gmail.com Mon Sep 10 13:35:14 2018 From: ka.yat.li at gmail.com (Ka Li) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 09:35:14 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Anatomy Class Message-ID: <63d7dbf7-c9c8-b0ad-c1e9-6ff74297bf54@gmail.com> Hello: I am taking an anatomy class this semester at my university and I was wondering what tips and tricks people have used in order to succeed in this type of class. Currently, I have someone utilizing a tactile drawing board to make diagrams and I will be getting some clay to produce 3D models. I have also asked the professor to be more verbally descriptive rather than referring to different parts by saying "this one or those  purple dots." The professor seems quite accommodating but one thing he's not sure how I would do well are the Dissection labs. He is concerned that I may not be able to tactially distinguish different parts since some of the specimens we would be using might be very small. I have never participated in Dissection labs before in high school so any tips would be very much appreciated. Best, Ka From eschlenker at cox.net Mon Sep 10 13:43:22 2018 From: eschlenker at cox.net (Emily Schlenker) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 08:43:22 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Anatomy Class In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3A863DF1-13E4-441A-B27B-038B11BFC904@cox.net> Hi! Do not worry, you will do great. I am taking a comparative vertebrate anatomy class this semester, and it is very hard. I have tactile drawings that are the same as what my classmates have. Using clay or model magic is also a fabulous idea, as is getting certain things from the craft store with distinguishing textures and shapes. As for the lab, dissection is actually pretty good for us, because many tissues have different textures and consistencies. As far as tiny things, you may have to rely on images and models to learn them and take exams. My class is a work in progress, as my professor has never taught someone without site. I am working very hard to learn difficult material and to help this be a learning experience for my instructor. I am going to leave you my phone number, and you or your professor can call me at anytime. Emily Schlenker 316-644-4227 PS I have had two semesters of biology, six semesters of chemistry, two semesters of physics, and tons of other interesting classes with challenging material. Feel free to ask me about anything that might be causing you trouble. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 10, 2018, at 8:35 AM, Ka Li via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello: > > I am taking an anatomy class this semester at my university and I was wondering what tips and tricks people have used in order to succeed in this type of class. Currently, I have someone utilizing a tactile drawing board to make diagrams and I will be getting some clay to produce 3D models. I have also asked the professor to be more verbally descriptive rather than referring to different parts by saying "this one or those purple dots." > > > The professor seems quite accommodating but one thing he's not sure how I would do well are the Dissection labs. He is concerned that I may not be able to tactially distinguish different parts since some of the specimens we would be using might be very small. I have never participated in Dissection labs before in high school so any tips would be very much appreciated. > > > Best, > > Ka > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/eschlenker%40cox.net From lily2011a at gmail.com Mon Sep 10 14:11:40 2018 From: lily2011a at gmail.com (lily2011a at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 10:11:40 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Anatomy Class In-Reply-To: <63d7dbf7-c9c8-b0ad-c1e9-6ff74297bf54@gmail.com> References: <63d7dbf7-c9c8-b0ad-c1e9-6ff74297bf54@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Ka, I took anatomy and physiology one and two in college. The biology department already had some three – D models that are used in the lab. Also, they purchased more of the three – D models because not only did they think it was going to be helpful to me but also a lot of sighted students benefit from the models as well. We dissected cats in the lab. The professor ordered thinner latex gloves, so that I could still feel the parts of the cat during the dissection process. When I had difficult time identifying the smaller parts of the cat such as the nerves, The professor would have me identify those parts on the three -d models. I found the three – D models very beneficial. Also the professor would sometimes make two dimensional models out of marshmallows, straws, and other miscellaneous things. I would also receive tactile images and diagrams that were produced at the disability office. I did not find those as helpful. I would always utilize the professors office hours and I even set up an hour each week to meet with the professor. We would go over material that I didn’t understand in class. A lab assistant would read my lab practicals to me because the practicals were Visual. If you would like more tips or have any other questions, feel free to contact me off list. My number is: 267-644-6530. Email works as well. All the best, Lily Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 10, 2018, at 9:35 AM, Ka Li via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello: > > I am taking an anatomy class this semester at my university and I was wondering what tips and tricks people have used in order to succeed in this type of class. Currently, I have someone utilizing a tactile drawing board to make diagrams and I will be getting some clay to produce 3D models. I have also asked the professor to be more verbally descriptive rather than referring to different parts by saying "this one or those purple dots." > > > The professor seems quite accommodating but one thing he's not sure how I would do well are the Dissection labs. He is concerned that I may not be able to tactially distinguish different parts since some of the specimens we would be using might be very small. I have never participated in Dissection labs before in high school so any tips would be very much appreciated. > > > Best, > > Ka > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lily2011a%40gmail.com From ahbeeorton at yahoo.com Mon Sep 10 14:25:13 2018 From: ahbeeorton at yahoo.com (Ahbee Orton) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 09:25:13 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] JAWS certification Message-ID: Hi All, I am working towards passing the JAWS certification test. Are there any suggestions for me to prepare or how to prepare for it? Thanks! Sincerely, Ahbee “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.” 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV From michael.ausbun at gmail.com Mon Sep 10 14:40:23 2018 From: michael.ausbun at gmail.com (michael.ausbun at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 07:40:23 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] JAWS certification In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006c01d44914$3531d9a0$9f958ce0$@gmail.com> Hello Ahbee, I suggest reading through the JAWS help menu. The exam is designed to test a breath of knowledge and not necessarily depth. Therefore, questions are drawn from each section of the help-topics. The exam is fairly straight forward, with a few questions that typically throw people off because they are slightly more specific than the rest of the exam. Good luck! Respectfully, Michael -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Ahbee Orton via NABS-L Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 7:25 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: Ahbee Orton Subject: [NABS-L] JAWS certification Hi All, I am working towards passing the JAWS certification test. Are there any suggestions for me to prepare or how to prepare for it? Thanks! Sincerely, Ahbee “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.” 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/michael.ausbun%40gmail.com From mausam.mehta.nfb at gmail.com Mon Sep 10 14:44:37 2018 From: mausam.mehta.nfb at gmail.com (Mausam Mehta) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 10:44:37 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Anatomy Class In-Reply-To: References: <63d7dbf7-c9c8-b0ad-c1e9-6ff74297bf54@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Ka! All of the strategies you are already using are great. The main point I would emphasize is to keep strong communication with your professor. Most professors are generally willing to adapt and think out of the box to make everything work, as long as you are working on sollutions together. I did a few disections in high school. Before each disection, I made sure to feel the whole organism, whether it was a frog or a fetal pig or what have you, before it was all chopped up. We usually did those disections in groups, so I kept up a constant stream of questions as my lab partners did the disecting, taking notes as we went. I never handled the scalpels myself, but I'm sure there is a way if you so choose. I'm majoring in business, so I'm by no means an expert on any of this. However, there are many on this list who are in life science fields who can give you some really useful tips. Best, Mausam Mehta Board member | National Association of blind students A proud division of the National Federation of the blind (540) 466-6033 mausam.mehta.nfb at gmail.com | www.nabslink.org > On Sep 10, 2018, at 10:11 AM, Asadullina via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello Ka, > > I took anatomy and physiology one and two in college. The biology department already had some three – D models that are used in the lab. Also, they purchased more of the three – D models because not only did they think it was going to be helpful to me but also a lot of sighted students benefit from the models as well. We dissected cats in the lab. The professor ordered thinner latex gloves, so that I could still feel the parts of the cat during the dissection process. When I had difficult time identifying the smaller parts of the cat such as the nerves, The professor would have me identify those parts on the three -d models. I found the three – D models very beneficial. > Also the professor would sometimes make two dimensional models out of marshmallows, straws, and other miscellaneous things. I would also receive tactile images and diagrams that were produced at the disability office. I did not find those as helpful. I would always utilize the professors office hours and I even set up an hour each week to meet with the professor. We would go over material that I didn’t understand in class. A lab assistant would read my lab practicals to me because the practicals were Visual. If you would like more tips or have any other questions, feel free to contact me off list. My number is: 267-644-6530. Email works as well. > All the best, > Lily > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 10, 2018, at 9:35 AM, Ka Li via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hello: >> >> I am taking an anatomy class this semester at my university and I was wondering what tips and tricks people have used in order to succeed in this type of class. Currently, I have someone utilizing a tactile drawing board to make diagrams and I will be getting some clay to produce 3D models. I have also asked the professor to be more verbally descriptive rather than referring to different parts by saying "this one or those purple dots." >> >> >> The professor seems quite accommodating but one thing he's not sure how I would do well are the Dissection labs. He is concerned that I may not be able to tactially distinguish different parts since some of the specimens we would be using might be very small. I have never participated in Dissection labs before in high school so any tips would be very much appreciated. >> >> >> Best, >> >> Ka >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lily2011a%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mausam.mehta.nfb%40gmail.com From eschlenker at cox.net Mon Sep 10 14:48:23 2018 From: eschlenker at cox.net (Emily Schlenker) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 09:48:23 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Anatomy Class In-Reply-To: References: <63d7dbf7-c9c8-b0ad-c1e9-6ff74297bf54@gmail.com> Message-ID: Scalpels are absolutely no problem. The only danger is when people get their hands all over everything when you were trying to dissect. It is a learning process, and everyone should have that opportunity. I know how difficult it is to try and learn a new skill when people are standing around you looking end it feels like they are waiting to make a mistake. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 10, 2018, at 9:44 AM, Mausam Mehta via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Ka! > All of the strategies you are already using are great. The main point I would emphasize is to keep strong communication with your professor. Most professors are generally willing to adapt and think out of the box to make everything work, as long as you are working on sollutions together. > I did a few disections in high school. Before each disection, I made sure to feel the whole organism, whether it was a frog or a fetal pig or what have you, before it was all chopped up. We usually did those disections in groups, so I kept up a constant stream of questions as my lab partners did the disecting, taking notes as we went. I never handled the scalpels myself, but I'm sure there is a way if you so choose. > I'm majoring in business, so I'm by no means an expert on any of this. However, there are many on this list who are in life science fields who can give you some really useful tips. > Best, > > > Mausam Mehta > Board member | National Association of blind students > A proud division of the National Federation of the blind > (540) 466-6033 > mausam.mehta.nfb at gmail.com > | > www.nabslink.org > >> On Sep 10, 2018, at 10:11 AM, Asadullina via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hello Ka, >> >> I took anatomy and physiology one and two in college. The biology department already had some three – D models that are used in the lab. Also, they purchased more of the three – D models because not only did they think it was going to be helpful to me but also a lot of sighted students benefit from the models as well. We dissected cats in the lab. The professor ordered thinner latex gloves, so that I could still feel the parts of the cat during the dissection process. When I had difficult time identifying the smaller parts of the cat such as the nerves, The professor would have me identify those parts on the three -d models. I found the three – D models very beneficial. >> Also the professor would sometimes make two dimensional models out of marshmallows, straws, and other miscellaneous things. I would also receive tactile images and diagrams that were produced at the disability office. I did not find those as helpful. I would always utilize the professors office hours and I even set up an hour each week to meet with the professor. We would go over material that I didn’t understand in class. A lab assistant would read my lab practicals to me because the practicals were Visual. If you would like more tips or have any other questions, feel free to contact me off list. My number is: 267-644-6530. Email works as well. >> All the best, >> Lily >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 10, 2018, at 9:35 AM, Ka Li via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> Hello: >>> >>> I am taking an anatomy class this semester at my university and I was wondering what tips and tricks people have used in order to succeed in this type of class. Currently, I have someone utilizing a tactile drawing board to make diagrams and I will be getting some clay to produce 3D models. I have also asked the professor to be more verbally descriptive rather than referring to different parts by saying "this one or those purple dots." >>> >>> >>> The professor seems quite accommodating but one thing he's not sure how I would do well are the Dissection labs. He is concerned that I may not be able to tactially distinguish different parts since some of the specimens we would be using might be very small. I have never participated in Dissection labs before in high school so any tips would be very much appreciated. >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Ka >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lily2011a%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mausam.mehta.nfb%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/eschlenker%40cox.net From taylorarndt99 at gmail.com Mon Sep 10 14:59:21 2018 From: taylorarndt99 at gmail.com (Taylor Arndt) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 10:59:21 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] JAWS certification In-Reply-To: <006c01d44914$3531d9a0$9f958ce0$@gmail.com> References: <006c01d44914$3531d9a0$9f958ce0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Read the Basic training materials from Freedom scientific in FS reader On 9/10/18, michael Ausbun via NABS-L wrote: > Hello Ahbee, > I suggest reading through the JAWS help menu. The exam is designed to test > a breath of knowledge and not necessarily depth. Therefore, questions are > drawn from each section of the help-topics. The exam is fairly straight > forward, with a few questions that typically throw people off because they > are slightly more specific than the rest of the exam. Good luck! > Respectfully, > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Ahbee Orton via NABS-L > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 7:25 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Cc: Ahbee Orton > Subject: [NABS-L] JAWS certification > > Hi All, > > I am working towards passing the JAWS certification test. Are there any > suggestions for me to prepare or how to prepare for it? Thanks! > > Sincerely, > Ahbee > > “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is > not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not > easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil > but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always > hopes, always perseveres.” > 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/michael.ausbun%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/taylorarndt99%40gmail.com > -- Taylor From ahbeeorton at yahoo.com Mon Sep 10 15:52:26 2018 From: ahbeeorton at yahoo.com (Ahbee Orton) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 10:52:26 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] JAWS certification In-Reply-To: References: <006c01d44914$3531d9a0$9f958ce0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8A739588-D9AA-4F72-AF15-CAF6936F7679@yahoo.com> Can I find an electronic format for a Focus 40 on the internet for the Basics training material by Ffreedom Scientific? “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.” 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV > On Sep 10, 2018, at 9:59 AM, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L wrote: > > Read the Basic training materials from Freedom scientific in FS reader > >> On 9/10/18, michael Ausbun via NABS-L wrote: >> Hello Ahbee, >> I suggest reading through the JAWS help menu. The exam is designed to test >> a breath of knowledge and not necessarily depth. Therefore, questions are >> drawn from each section of the help-topics. The exam is fairly straight >> forward, with a few questions that typically throw people off because they >> are slightly more specific than the rest of the exam. Good luck! >> Respectfully, >> Michael >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Ahbee Orton via NABS-L >> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 7:25 AM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Cc: Ahbee Orton >> Subject: [NABS-L] JAWS certification >> >> Hi All, >> >> I am working towards passing the JAWS certification test. Are there any >> suggestions for me to prepare or how to prepare for it? Thanks! >> >> Sincerely, >> Ahbee >> >> “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is >> not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not >> easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil >> but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always >> hopes, always perseveres.” >> 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/michael.ausbun%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/taylorarndt99%40gmail.com > > > -- > Taylor > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ahbeeorton%40yahoo.com From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Mon Sep 10 18:49:07 2018 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail LMT,CMLDT) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 14:49:07 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Tips on using a support cane In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks. I do use a folding cane. Will have to exparament. On 9/9/18, Ben Fulton via NABS-L wrote: > Hi Rania, > > For stairs you might want to loop the cane like I mentioned, or in some way > put the white cane away, I would say you definitely want a folding cane for > this. And then hold the handrail. If you can have the handrail with your bad > ankle, and then you can use your arm on the rail to take the weight off your > bad ankle, and use the support cane to detect what is on the stair case > until you get to the top or bottom of the stairs, and take out the white > cane again. Takes a few extra minutes, but will keep weight off your ankle. > > > If you don't have a handrail on the side you need it, use the handrail > anyway, just be a little more careful putting your weight on the support > cane. You may have to sweep with the support cane, then use it for support > to take a step, and repeat. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com > -- Rania Ismail LMT, CMLDT From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Mon Sep 10 18:53:19 2018 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail LMT,CMLDT) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 14:53:19 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Tips on using a support cane In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you. On 9/9/18, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote: > Hello Rania, > > I found it easier to use crutches or a walker instead of a support cane. The > crutches do not take up any more space than a long white cane and a support > cane. And I know from personal experience that it is possible to get around > in tight or small spaces while using crutches. > > I found crutches to provide more support than a support cane. And using the > crutches meant that I did not have to switch hands to use my long white > cane. Instead, I simply used the crutch that was on the side where I > normally use my long white cane in a similar manner as my long white cane. I > was already walking rather slow, so I found sweeping one of the crutches out > in front of me before taking a step forward worked well for me. You already > need to position the crutches ahead of you as you step. So I simply swept > one of the crutches across my body to make sure I was stepping in a place > that was safe for me to step. > > I do not have much experience using a support cane or crutches with stairs > though. I normally use the handrail on the side of my bad ankle. And when I > step, I place my good ankle on the next step while leaving the bad ankle on > the previous step. This way I am placing more of my weight on my good ankle > rather than my bad ankle. I still have problems with my ankle even though my > injury has healed. > > If I were using a support cane or crutches, I would place them on the next > step to help me keep my balance as I am stepping up to the next step. But > you can try different things to see what would work best for you. You can > also find various boots and braces to help provide more support for your > ankle as it heals. You can get a boot type caste that immobilizes the entire > ankle from your doctor, or you can get a lace up support brace from a > rehabilitation supply store or a good athletic store. I have always found > the lace up support braces to be helpful even though they are a bit of a > pain to put on. > > Anyway, I hope this helps you figure out a way to get around as your ankle > heals. Please let me know if you have any further questions. > > Warm regards, > Elizabeth > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rania Ismail > LMT,CMLDT via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 10:22 PM > To: NABS-L at nfbnet.org > Cc: Rania Ismail LMT,CMLDT > Subject: [NABS-L] Tips on using a support cane > > Hi everyone, I 'm not sure ware to post this but I was hoping I could find > some help. I sprained my ankle 3 weeks ago and need to use a support cane > along with the long white cane but I'm not sure how to use both at once. I > was hoping I could find a few people who use 2 canes at the same time so I > could get some tips my physical therapist and I could use while my ankle > heals. Thanks for your help. Rania, > > -- > Rania Ismail LMT, CMLDT > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com > -- Rania Ismail LMT, CMLDT From ka.yat.li at gmail.com Mon Sep 10 20:59:16 2018 From: ka.yat.li at gmail.com (Ka Li) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 16:59:16 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Anatomy Class In-Reply-To: References: <63d7dbf7-c9c8-b0ad-c1e9-6ff74297bf54@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1eec9dad-7e78-47b8-ee36-0dee331eaccb@gmail.com> Hello Lily: Thank you for the tips. Where were the 3-D models purchased? Right now, it doesn't look like they have a lot of 3-D models at my school. Best, Ka On 9/10/2018 10:11 AM, Asadullina via NABS-L wrote: > Hello Ka, > > I took anatomy and physiology one and two in college. The biology department already had some three – D models that are used in the lab. Also, they purchased more of the three – D models because not only did they think it was going to be helpful to me but also a lot of sighted students benefit from the models as well. We dissected cats in the lab. The professor ordered thinner latex gloves, so that I could still feel the parts of the cat during the dissection process. When I had difficult time identifying the smaller parts of the cat such as the nerves, The professor would have me identify those parts on the three -d models. I found the three – D models very beneficial. > Also the professor would sometimes make two dimensional models out of marshmallows, straws, and other miscellaneous things. I would also receive tactile images and diagrams that were produced at the disability office. I did not find those as helpful. I would always utilize the professors office hours and I even set up an hour each week to meet with the professor. We would go over material that I didn’t understand in class. A lab assistant would read my lab practicals to me because the practicals were Visual. If you would like more tips or have any other questions, feel free to contact me off list. My number is: 267-644-6530. Email works as well. > All the best, > Lily > Sent from my iPhone > > From cnusbaum at 195theglobe.com Tue Sep 11 00:47:39 2018 From: cnusbaum at 195theglobe.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 19:47:39 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Tomorrow on 195 The Globe: An Exclusive Interview with Federationist, 9/11 Survivor, Author and Speaker Michael Hingson Message-ID: Fellow Federationists: 195 The Globe, the station which brought you the stream of the 2018 NFB national convention, is proud to bring you an exclusive interview with special guest Michael Hingson, well-known for his survival of the September 11 attacks along with his guide dog Roselle, as told in his 2010 book “Thunder Dog.” In this wide-ranging interview, Mike talks about his 9/11 story, his personal background, and how the philosophy of the National Federation of the Blind has shaped both his attitudes toward blindness and the approach he took during his walk down 78 floors of the burning World Trade Center­an approach which saved his life and the lives of others. He also shares some lessons from September 11 which he feels our community as well as the public at-large should take to heart. This interview is one which promises to stimulate and inspire you as you listen. Our interview with Mike will air tomorrow, September 11, on The Blind Side, a program hosted by Chris Nusbaum which focuses on issues of interest to the blind community. You can tune into the show starting at 8:00 PM Eastern by visiting 195theglobe.com, searching for 195 The Globe in the TuneIn and ooTunes apps, or telling your Alexa or Google device to play 195 The Globe. We hope you will tune into this one-of-a-kind interview tomorrow at 8:00 PM Eastern! Thanks for listening, Your 195 The Globe Team Chris Nusbaum, Programming Director 195 The Globe Office: (951) 456-2324 Cell: (443) 547-2409 Email: cnusbaum at 195theglobe.com Web: http://www.195theglobe.com Twitter: @Chrisn98 and @195_theglobe Welcome to the Radio Revolution! From jldail13 at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 02:13:22 2018 From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 22:13:22 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Tomorrow on 195 The Globe: An Exclusive Interview with Federationist, 9/11 Survivor, Author and Speaker Michael Hingson In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Is this content available as a podcast? If so, how can I subscribe? Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 10, 2018, at 8:47 PM, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L wrote: > > > Fellow Federationists: > > 195 The Globe, the station which brought you the stream of the 2018 NFB national convention, is proud to bring you an exclusive interview with special guest Michael Hingson, well-known for his survival of the September 11 attacks along with his guide dog Roselle, as told in his 2010 book “Thunder Dog.” In this wide-ranging interview, Mike talks about his 9/11 story, his personal background, and how the philosophy of the National Federation of the Blind has shaped both his attitudes toward blindness and the approach he took during his walk down 78 floors of the burning World Trade Center­an approach which saved his life and the lives of others. He also shares some lessons from September 11 which he feels our community as well as the public at-large should take to heart. This interview is one which promises to stimulate and inspire you as you listen. > > Our interview with Mike will air tomorrow, September 11, on The Blind Side, a program hosted by Chris Nusbaum which focuses on issues of interest to the blind community. You can tune into the show starting at 8:00 PM Eastern by visiting 195theglobe.com, searching for 195 The Globe in the TuneIn and ooTunes apps, or telling your Alexa or Google device to play 195 The Globe. We hope you will tune into this one-of-a-kind interview tomorrow at 8:00 PM Eastern! > > Thanks for listening, > > Your 195 The Globe Team > > Chris Nusbaum, Programming Director > 195 The Globe > Office: (951) 456-2324 > Cell: (443) 547-2409 > Email: cnusbaum at 195theglobe.com > Web: http://www.195theglobe.com > Twitter: @Chrisn98 and @195_theglobe > > Welcome to the Radio Revolution! > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jldail13%40gmail.com From inscriptioelectronicaaustralia at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 07:26:09 2018 From: inscriptioelectronicaaustralia at gmail.com (Roger Newell) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 17:26:09 +1000 Subject: [NABS-L] JAWS certification In-Reply-To: <8A739588-D9AA-4F72-AF15-CAF6936F7679@yahoo.com> References: <006c01d44914$3531d9a0$9f958ce0$@gmail.com> <8A739588-D9AA-4F72-AF15-CAF6936F7679@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes you can, but the topics in the Help wizard are much more useful. Also, make sure to spend some of your revision time perusing the Freedom Scientific website. When you are doing the exam, make sure to read the questions carefully as I have found that they are not always worded clearly (sometimes even with grammatical or syntax errors). I consider myself an experienced JAWS user and have found some of the questions to be quite niche. I am speaking from experience as I have taken and passed the examination four times. On 9/11/18, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L wrote: > Can I find an electronic format for a Focus 40 on the internet for the > Basics training material by Ffreedom Scientific? > > “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is > not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not > easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil > but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always > hopes, always perseveres.” > 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV > >> On Sep 10, 2018, at 9:59 AM, Taylor Arndt via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Read the Basic training materials from Freedom scientific in FS reader >> >>> On 9/10/18, michael Ausbun via NABS-L wrote: >>> Hello Ahbee, >>> I suggest reading through the JAWS help menu. The exam is designed to >>> test >>> a breath of knowledge and not necessarily depth. Therefore, questions are >>> drawn from each section of the help-topics. The exam is fairly straight >>> forward, with a few questions that typically throw people off because >>> they >>> are slightly more specific than the rest of the exam. Good luck! >>> Respectfully, >>> Michael >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Ahbee Orton via >>> NABS-L >>> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 7:25 AM >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Cc: Ahbee Orton >>> Subject: [NABS-L] JAWS certification >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I am working towards passing the JAWS certification test. Are there any >>> suggestions for me to prepare or how to prepare for it? Thanks! >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> Ahbee >>> >>> “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it >>> is >>> not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not >>> easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in >>> evil >>> but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always >>> hopes, always perseveres.” >>> 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/michael.ausbun%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/taylorarndt99%40gmail.com >> >> >> -- >> Taylor >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ahbeeorton%40yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/inscriptioelectronicaaustralia%40gmail.com > From bluezinfandel at hotmail.com Tue Sep 11 13:19:38 2018 From: bluezinfandel at hotmail.com (Ben Fulton) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 13:19:38 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Jaws Certification Message-ID: This Jaws certification sounds really interesting. What does it allow one to do? What is the reason for it? I use JAWS myself, but I may not be that great at it. I still have difficulty with pages where I think maybe virtualizing the cursor would help, but I don't really know how to get around it. - I personally get frustrated trying to find information through the help menu's, and although I've called the help line on a number of different occasions, I have found the help there to be unreliable. It depends on who you get I think. One time I was trying to do something on outlook, and the Jaws help person wasn't of any help, and didn't know that much about outlook, and the Microsoft support wasn't helpful because the person there didn't know enough about JAWS. Would one of you certified types be able to help me figure out the odd thing online. I would consider myself to be of an intermediate, or average skill level, but then again, I'm not sure what the average, it is possible that I am below average, though I don't think I would be at the novice level. If interested message me at bluezinfandel at hotmail.com Thanks, Ben From bluezinfandel at hotmail.com Tue Sep 11 13:54:19 2018 From: bluezinfandel at hotmail.com (Ben Fulton) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 13:54:19 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Looking for some Advocacy Assistance Message-ID: Hi Elizabeth, I'm not sure if your school has an Ombudsperson. I had a situation in University, with a professor who had not provided a crucial part of the exam in an accessible format. It was a logic class, and the rules we were allowed to use were printed on a sheet provided to other students. Not having this sheet I used something known in logic as Modis Tollens, but it is a rule that we were not allowed on the exam, and I lost 10 points out of 30 on an exam worth 30% of the course, so basically 10% of the overall course. The ombudsperson was very helpful at being a liason between me and the professor. This may be helpful, especially considering the difficulties you are facing with that professor. In the end I had to rewrite the entire exam, but it made more that a letter grade worth of difference. Hope this helps, Ben Subject: [NABS-L] Looking for some Advocacy Assistance Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello All, I greatly appreciate all the responses I received in regards to my professor who is not willing to provide me with the accommodations I need for my class. However, I often find it difficult to communicate effectively when I am under a lot of stress or tired. So I am wondering if there is anyone out there who would be willing to help me write emails, fill out any complaint forms, and attend any meetings with college administrators with me. Or at the very least help me by reading through what I write to make sure it sounds okay. I have put a lot of time and effort into figuring out how to be successful in this class. In fact, I have not been able to spend as much time on my other classes because I have been spending so much time trying to figure out how to deal with this one class. I thought the extra things I have been doing for this class would be enough for me to be successful in this class. So I did not take any notes from the few short meetings I had with my professor. And I was stupid enough not to record any of my meetings with her like I normally do when I meet with people. So now I have to figure out a way to write out all my interactions with my professor without becoming over emotional about it. The last time I met with my professor all she wanted to do was argue with me. And I ended up crying after my meeting with her. I have never seen a professor be so resistant to any of my accommodations before. I understand the National Federation of the Blind does not necessarily provide assistance to individuals who are struggling to receive accommodations as a blind student. But I guess I was hoping that there might be someone out there who might be willing to help me. Thanks, Elizabeth ------------------------------ From lily2011a at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 15:21:48 2018 From: lily2011a at gmail.com (lily2011a at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:21:48 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Anatomy Class In-Reply-To: <1eec9dad-7e78-47b8-ee36-0dee331eaccb@gmail.com> References: <63d7dbf7-c9c8-b0ad-c1e9-6ff74297bf54@gmail.com> <1eec9dad-7e78-47b8-ee36-0dee331eaccb@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6774DA8A-2AD3-48E8-B81C-1B72E3D95889@gmail.com> Hello Ka, I’ll find out from the biology department which vendor or company they used to purchase the models from. I’ll let you know later today or at the latest tomorrow. Definitely keep an open communication going with your professor and let him know what you need. Also, I would let your professor know as soon as you don’t understand something in class because it is really easy to get behind in anatomy since there is a lot of information and the body is very complex. I believe you will do well! Lily Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 10, 2018, at 4:59 PM, Ka Li via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello Lily: > > Thank you for the tips. > > Where were the 3-D models purchased? Right now, it doesn't look like they have a lot of 3-D models at my school. > > > Best, > > Ka > > >> On 9/10/2018 10:11 AM, Asadullina via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hello Ka, >> >> I took anatomy and physiology one and two in college. The biology department already had some three – D models that are used in the lab. Also, they purchased more of the three – D models because not only did they think it was going to be helpful to me but also a lot of sighted students benefit from the models as well. We dissected cats in the lab. The professor ordered thinner latex gloves, so that I could still feel the parts of the cat during the dissection process. When I had difficult time identifying the smaller parts of the cat such as the nerves, The professor would have me identify those parts on the three -d models. I found the three – D models very beneficial. >> Also the professor would sometimes make two dimensional models out of marshmallows, straws, and other miscellaneous things. I would also receive tactile images and diagrams that were produced at the disability office. I did not find those as helpful. I would always utilize the professors office hours and I even set up an hour each week to meet with the professor. We would go over material that I didn’t understand in class. A lab assistant would read my lab practicals to me because the practicals were Visual. If you would like more tips or have any other questions, feel free to contact me off list. My number is: 267-644-6530. Email works as well. >> All the best, >> Lily >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lily2011a%40gmail.com From jldail13 at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 19:44:50 2018 From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 15:44:50 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] =?utf-8?q?=5Bnabs-l=5D_OABS_Podcast_=E2=80=93_Episode_1?= =?utf-8?q?=3A_Getting_Ready_for_Your_Next_Or_First_Semester_as_a_Blind_St?= =?utf-8?q?udent?= In-Reply-To: References: <72BC314E-A6C5-4E47-A687-0582E13357E8@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, I don’t have Facebook, and would love to subscribe to this podcast. Has it been updated? Is it avaialbe through iTunes? Thanks, Jessica > On Feb 24, 2017, at 8:30 PM, Elif Emir Öksüz via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Jewel, > That sounds like a great idea. We will follow up with that. > Until we do that we will share the podcast on our facebook and here. > I hope you liked it. > > On 2/24/17, Jewel via NABS-L wrote: >> Are there any plans to make this podcast on iTunes? I would really love to >> add it to my podcast catcher! It sounds really great I'm going to go listen >> to it right now! >> Jewel >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 11:00 PM, Elif Emir Öksüz via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> OABS Podcast – Episode 1 >>> Getting Ready for Your Next Or First Semester as a Blind Student >>> By Emily and Lillie Pennington >>> >>> Welcome to the very first episode of the monthly podcast >>> produced by the Ohio Association of Blind Students, where you can >>> learn what we can share about surviving and even thriving as a blind >>> student. In this, the first of what we hope to be many installments to >>> come, we hear from Emily Pennington, board member with the Ohio >>> Association of Blind Students, graduate from Xavier University, and >>> new law student at the University of Cincinnati; and from Lillie >>> Pennington, her sister, a freshman at Northern Kentucky University – >>> both blind students with, as they put it, “years of experience [in >>> the] ups and downs of preparing for college semester [by semester]”. >>> So please, take a moment to enjoy hearing from, and most probably also >>> learning from, these two students’ wealth of knowledge and know-how as >>> you grow your understanding of what it takes to be a blind student >>> today. >>> https://soundcloud.com/engelsizerisimdernegi/oabs-podcast-1-emily-and-lillie >>> >>> follow us on facebook for next episodes >>> https://www.facebook.com/NFB-Ohio-Association-of-Blind-Students-146614348703543/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat97%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jldail13%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Tue Sep 11 20:01:33 2018 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 15:01:33 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Tomorrow on 195 The Globe: An Exclusive Interview with Federationist, 9/11 Survivor, Author and Speaker Michael Hingson In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have no idea -- you will have to ask: cnusbaum at 195theglobe.com At 09:13 PM 9/10/2018, you wrote: >Hi, Is this content available as a podcast? If >so, how can I subscribe? Sent from my iPhone > >On Sep 10, 2018, at 8:47 PM, Chris Nusbaum via >NABS-L wrote: > > > Fellow >Federationists: > > 195 The Globe, the station >which brought you the stream of the 2018 NFB >national convention, is proud to bring you an >exclusive interview with special guest Michael >Hingson, well-known for his survival of the >September 11 attacks along with his guide dog >Roselle, as told in his 2010 book “Thunder >Dog.” In this wide-ranging interview, Mike >talks about his 9/11 story, his personal >background, and how the philosophy of the >National Federation of the Blind has shaped both >his attitudes toward blindness and the approach >he took during his walk down 78 floors of the >burning World Trade Center­an approach which >saved his life and the lives of others. He also >shares some lessons from September 11 which he >feels our community as well as the public >at-large should take to heart. This interview is >one which promises to stimulate and inspire you >as you listen. > > Our interview with Mike will >air tomorrow, September 11, on The Blind Side, a >program hosted by Chris Nusbaum which focuses on >issues of interest to the blind community. You >can tune into the show starting at 8:00 PM >Eastern by visiting 195theglobe.com, searching >for 195 The Globe in the TuneIn and ooTunes >apps, or telling your Alexa or Google device to >play 195 The Globe. We hope you will tune into >this one-of-a-kind interview tomorrow at 8:00 PM >Eastern! > > Thanks for listening, > > Your 195 >The Globe Team > > Chris Nusbaum, Programming >Director > 195 The Globe > Office: (951) >456-2324 > Cell: (443) 547-2409 > Email: >cnusbaum at 195theglobe.com > > Web: >http://www.195theglobe.com > > Twitter: @Chrisn98 and @195_theglobe > > >Welcome to the Radio Revolution! > > >_______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > From carne23m at mtholyoke.edu Tue Sep 11 22:14:56 2018 From: carne23m at mtholyoke.edu (Melissa Carney) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 18:14:56 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] NABS Notes: We'd Like Your Feedback! Message-ID: <004901d44a1c$dfad4000$9f07c000$@mtholyoke.edu> Good afternoon everyone, I hope you all are having a great week. To everyone who may be effected by the hurricane this weekend, please prepare and stay safe! NABS is looking for your feedback regarding our monthly NABS Notes. We would like to spice up our content a bit, and want to hear your thoughts and suggestions. We want to ensure that the NABS Notes are helpful and worthwhile to read, as our free time as students is already so limited. What do you like about NABS Notes, what could be improved, and what new things should we bring to the table? We look forward to hearing from you! Best, Melissa Melissa Carney Secretary | National Association of Blind Students A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind (860) 391-9319 Carne23m at mtholyoke.edu | www.nabslink.org From amieelsabo at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 22:54:28 2018 From: amieelsabo at gmail.com (Amy Sabo) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 16:54:28 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] Tomorrow on 195 The Globe: An Exclusive Interview with Federationist, 9/11 Survivor, Author and Speaker Michael Hingson In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hello chris, thanks for posting this awesome announcement about your today/tonight for the blind side in doing a reunion show for 911 today. yes, I remember that day indeed... that's awesome that you are going to do this interview with mike hinson. I have methim personally at national convention and, also at a few events that the ccb held since he is a board of directiorsof it! thanks for the announcement for posting here it on the listand, I hope that many people tune into to listen to it! mike is a awesome person and, he is a mentor to us all! hugs, amy On 9/10/18, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L wrote: > > Fellow Federationists: > > 195 The Globe, the station which brought you the > stream of the 2018 NFB national convention, is > proud to bring you an exclusive interview with > special guest Michael Hingson, well-known for his > survival of the September 11 attacks along with > his guide dog Roselle, as told in his 2010 book > “Thunder Dog.” In this wide-ranging interview, > Mike talks about his 9/11 story, his personal > background, and how the philosophy of the > National Federation of the Blind has shaped both > his attitudes toward blindness and the approach > he took during his walk down 78 floors of the > burning World Trade Center­an approach which > saved his life and the lives of others. He also > shares some lessons from September 11 which he > feels our community as well as the public > at-large should take to heart. This interview is > one which promises to stimulate and inspire you as you listen. > > Our interview with Mike will air tomorrow, > September 11, on The Blind Side, a program hosted > by Chris Nusbaum which focuses on issues of > interest to the blind community. You can tune > into the show starting at 8:00 PM Eastern by > visiting 195theglobe.com, searching for 195 The > Globe in the TuneIn and ooTunes apps, or telling > your Alexa or Google device to play 195 The > Globe. We hope you will tune into this > one-of-a-kind interview tomorrow at 8:00 PM Eastern! > > Thanks for listening, > > Your 195 The Globe Team > > Chris Nusbaum, Programming Director > 195 The Globe > Office: (951) 456-2324 > Cell: (443) 547-2409 > Email: cnusbaum at 195theglobe.com > Web: http://www.195theglobe.com > Twitter: @Chrisn98 and @195_theglobe > > Welcome to the Radio Revolution! > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amieelsabo%40gmail.com > From amieelsabo at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 00:04:44 2018 From: amieelsabo at gmail.com (Amy Sabo) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 18:04:44 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] new podcast to check out Message-ID: hello all, I hope that you all are doing well. I have just found this out on the ccb's web site over the weekend and, I thought that some of you would like to check this out and, then listen to it and, then subscribe to it... so, check it out and, I hope that you all enjoy it! http://traffic.libsyn.com/ccbpodcast/neis_01 hugs, amy From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 00:33:13 2018 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 20:33:13 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] NABS Notes: We'd Like Your Feedback! Message-ID: <5b985ecd.1c69fb81.8a59b.07d5@mx.google.com> Hi Melissa thanks for your message. I think the Nabs Notes is a wonderful publication. I would like to see more articles about students who are currently attending the three Nfb training centers. I would also like to see more articles about self-advocacy on college campuses in regards to dealing with issues regarding Student Disability Services. Roanna Bacchus On Sep 11, 2018 6:14 PM, Melissa Carney via NABS-L wrote: > > Good afternoon everyone, > > > > I hope you all are having a great week. To everyone who may be effected by > the hurricane this weekend, please prepare and stay safe! > > > > NABS is looking for your feedback regarding our monthly NABS Notes. We would > like to spice up our content a bit, and want to hear your thoughts and > suggestions. We want to ensure that the NABS Notes are helpful and > worthwhile to read, as our free time as students is already so limited. > > > > What do you like about NABS Notes, what could be improved, and what new > things should we bring to the table? > > > > We look forward to hearing from you! > > > > Best, > > Melissa > > > > Melissa Carney > > Secretary | National Association of Blind Students > >    A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind > > (860) 391-9319 > > Carne23m at mtholyoke.edu > > | > > www.nabslink.org > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com From 1008jmd at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 00:36:32 2018 From: 1008jmd at gmail.com (John Dowling) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 20:36:32 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] new podcast to check out In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0D6A2CF1-66EA-48CB-A3BB-1692D53047C6@gmail.com> I'm sorry, but the link appears to be broken. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 11, 2018, at 8:04 PM, Amy Sabo via NABS-L wrote: > > hello all, > I hope that you all are doing well. I have just found this out on the > ccb's web site over the weekend and, I thought that some of you would > like to check this out and, then listen to it and, then subscribe to > it... so, check it out and, I hope that you all enjoy it! > > > http://traffic.libsyn.com/ccbpodcast/neis_01 > > > > hugs, > amy > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/1008jmd%40gmail.com From amieelsabo at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 00:48:20 2018 From: amieelsabo at gmail.com (Amy Sabo) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 18:48:20 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] new podcast to check out In-Reply-To: <0D6A2CF1-66EA-48CB-A3BB-1692D53047C6@gmail.com> References: <0D6A2CF1-66EA-48CB-A3BB-1692D53047C6@gmail.com> Message-ID: sorry, on that.. I thought that I copied theentire link for it.. so, here is the link for checking it out from the ccb website which was on it's blog... here it is again... sorry, for the confusion... https://cocenter.org/no-end-in-sight-ccb-student-podcast-launches-https-bit-ly-2orwe0x/ hugs, amy On 9/11/18, John Dowling via NABS-L wrote: > I'm sorry, but the link appears to be broken. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 11, 2018, at 8:04 PM, Amy Sabo via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> hello all, >> I hope that you all are doing well. I have just found this out on the >> ccb's web site over the weekend and, I thought that some of you would >> like to check this out and, then listen to it and, then subscribe to >> it... so, check it out and, I hope that you all enjoy it! >> >> >> http://traffic.libsyn.com/ccbpodcast/neis_01 >> >> >> >> hugs, >> amy >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/1008jmd%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amieelsabo%40gmail.com > From kenia.flores at furman.edu Wed Sep 12 03:35:51 2018 From: kenia.flores at furman.edu (Kenia Flores-Student) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 03:35:51 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Legislative Advocacy Committee Call Sunday, September 16 at 8:00pm Eastern Message-ID: Good evening, fellow students, I hope you are all enjoying the first few weeks of the semester and are looking forward to the semester ahead. We understand your Sunday evenings are more than likely spent in the library, but we also know you could use a break from hitting the textbooks. The Legislative Advocacy Committee would love to have you join us for our monthly committee call this Sunday, September 16 at 8pm eastern. The call-in number is 712-770-5197, and the access code is 265669. We are eager to have you join us and look forward to speaking with you this Sunday! Best, Kenia Flores Kenia Flores Furman University '20 Department of Politics and International Affairs 2nd Vice President | National Association of Blind Students Chair | National Association of Blind Students Legislative Advocacy Committee President | North Carolina Association of Blind Students (704) 476-6629 Kenia.flores at furman.edu From inscriptioelectronicaaustralia at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 06:38:38 2018 From: inscriptioelectronicaaustralia at gmail.com (Roger Newell) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 16:38:38 +1000 Subject: [NABS-L] Jaws Certification In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In your use case, JAWS Certification doesn't sound like a good solution. JAWS Certification is designed for people wishing to train others in the use of JAWS or those who want to show their skill in using JAWS to an employer. Some of the content tested in the multiple-choice exam is definitely not something the average user would encounter even on an infrequent basis. There are email lists where people ask for help about issues with JAWS. The two most popular are at http://groups.io/g/jfw and http://groups.io/g/jaws-users-list Note that both are extremely high-traffic, but you will definitely learn lots of tips and tricks that you would not otherwise have known about. Even I, a proficient user, can claim to have learned things from reading messages on those lists. As I have said in a previous message, I have taken and passed the certification exam, but as I have not paid to receive my certificate (I only took the exam for my own amusement), you will not find my name listed as having obtained the certification. If you encounter any issues, you may contact me privately, however I have not used Outlook, so I can't help you with that problem. On 9/11/18, Ben Fulton via NABS-L wrote: > > > This Jaws certification sounds really interesting. What does it allow one to > do? What is the reason for it? > > I use JAWS myself, but I may not be that great at it. I still have > difficulty with pages where I think maybe virtualizing the cursor would > help, but I don't really know how to get around it. - I personally get > frustrated trying to find information through the help menu's, and although > I've called the help line on a number of different occasions, I have found > the help there to be unreliable. It depends on who you get I think. One time > I was trying to do something on outlook, and the Jaws help person wasn't of > any help, and didn't know that much about outlook, and the Microsoft support > wasn't helpful because the person there didn't know enough about JAWS. > > Would one of you certified types be able to help me figure out the odd thing > online. I would consider myself to be of an intermediate, or average skill > level, but then again, I'm not sure what the average, it is possible that I > am below average, though I don't think I would be at the novice level. > > If interested message me at bluezinfandel at hotmail.com > > Thanks, > Ben > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/inscriptioelectronicaaustralia%40gmail.com > From cookcafe at sc.rr.com Fri Sep 14 13:34:37 2018 From: cookcafe at sc.rr.com (Steve & Shannon Cook) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 09:34:37 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Anatomy Class In-Reply-To: <6774DA8A-2AD3-48E8-B81C-1B72E3D95889@gmail.com> References: <63d7dbf7-c9c8-b0ad-c1e9-6ff74297bf54@gmail.com> <1eec9dad-7e78-47b8-ee36-0dee331eaccb@gmail.com> <6774DA8A-2AD3-48E8-B81C-1B72E3D95889@gmail.com> Message-ID: <008e01d44c2f$b02a67d0$107f3770$@sc.rr.com> If you or someone has access to a 3D printer, you could print the parts you need for class. Steve Cook District 2 State Board Member of the NFB of SC 1st Vice President of the Computer Science & Technology Division of the NFB of SC 1st Vice President of the Columbia Chapter of the NFB of SC -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Asadullina via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 11:22 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: lily2011a at gmail.com Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Anatomy Class Hello Ka, I’ll find out from the biology department which vendor or company they used to purchase the models from. I’ll let you know later today or at the latest tomorrow. Definitely keep an open communication going with your professor and let him know what you need. Also, I would let your professor know as soon as you don’t understand something in class because it is really easy to get behind in anatomy since there is a lot of information and the body is very complex. I believe you will do well! Lily Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 10, 2018, at 4:59 PM, Ka Li via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello Lily: > > Thank you for the tips. > > Where were the 3-D models purchased? Right now, it doesn't look like they have a lot of 3-D models at my school. > > > Best, > > Ka > > >> On 9/10/2018 10:11 AM, Asadullina via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hello Ka, >> >> I took anatomy and physiology one and two in college. The biology department already had some three – D models that are used in the lab. Also, they purchased more of the three – D models because not only did they think it was going to be helpful to me but also a lot of sighted students benefit from the models as well. We dissected cats in the lab. The professor ordered thinner latex gloves, so that I could still feel the parts of the cat during the dissection process. When I had difficult time identifying the smaller parts of the cat such as the nerves, The professor would have me identify those parts on the three -d models. I found the three – D models very beneficial. >> Also the professor would sometimes make two dimensional models out of marshmallows, straws, and other miscellaneous things. I would also receive tactile images and diagrams that were produced at the disability office. I did not find those as helpful. I would always utilize the professors office hours and I even set up an hour each week to meet with the professor. We would go over material that I didn’t understand in class. A lab assistant would read my lab practicals to me because the practicals were Visual. If you would like more tips or have any other questions, feel free to contact me off list. My number is: 267-644-6530. Email works as well. >> All the best, >> Lily >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lily2011a%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cookcafe%40sc.rr.com From eschlenker at cox.net Fri Sep 14 13:40:02 2018 From: eschlenker at cox.net (Emily Schlenker) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 08:40:02 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Anatomy Class In-Reply-To: References: <63d7dbf7-c9c8-b0ad-c1e9-6ff74297bf54@gmail.com> <1eec9dad-7e78-47b8-ee36-0dee331eaccb@gmail.com> <6774DA8A-2AD3-48E8-B81C-1B72E3D95889@gmail.com> Message-ID: Honestly, 3-D printing is very much overrated as far as being able to produce detail for blind student. In my experience, having taken multiple semesters in the natural sciences, it is not really a good choice. It is not only slow, but it cannot account for different textures and important surfaces indicating such things as different types of tissue or types of cells. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 14, 2018, at 8:34 AM, Steve & Shannon Cook via NABS-L wrote: > > If you or someone has access to a 3D printer, you could print the parts you need for class. > > Steve Cook > District 2 State Board Member of the NFB of SC > 1st Vice President of the Computer Science & Technology Division of the NFB of SC > 1st Vice President of the Columbia Chapter of the NFB of SC > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Asadullina via NABS-L > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 11:22 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: lily2011a at gmail.com > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Anatomy Class > > Hello Ka, > > I’ll find out from the biology department which vendor or company they used to purchase the models from. I’ll let you know later today or at the latest tomorrow. Definitely keep an open communication going with your professor and let him know what you need. Also, I would let your professor know as soon as you don’t understand something in class because it is really easy to get behind in anatomy since there is a lot of information and the body is very complex. > I believe you will do well! > Lily > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 10, 2018, at 4:59 PM, Ka Li via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hello Lily: >> >> Thank you for the tips. >> >> Where were the 3-D models purchased? Right now, it doesn't look like they have a lot of 3-D models at my school. >> >> >> Best, >> >> Ka >> >> >>> On 9/10/2018 10:11 AM, Asadullina via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> Hello Ka, >>> >>> I took anatomy and physiology one and two in college. The biology department already had some three – D models that are used in the lab. Also, they purchased more of the three – D models because not only did they think it was going to be helpful to me but also a lot of sighted students benefit from the models as well. We dissected cats in the lab. The professor ordered thinner latex gloves, so that I could still feel the parts of the cat during the dissection process. When I had difficult time identifying the smaller parts of the cat such as the nerves, The professor would have me identify those parts on the three -d models. I found the three – D models very beneficial. >>> Also the professor would sometimes make two dimensional models out of marshmallows, straws, and other miscellaneous things. I would also receive tactile images and diagrams that were produced at the disability office. I did not find those as helpful. I would always utilize the professors office hours and I even set up an hour each week to meet with the professor. We would go over material that I didn’t understand in class. A lab assistant would read my lab practicals to me because the practicals were Visual. If you would like more tips or have any other questions, feel free to contact me off list. My number is: 267-644-6530. Email works as well. >>> All the best, >>> Lily >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lily2011a%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cookcafe%40sc.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/eschlenker%40cox.net From redwing731 at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 14:41:49 2018 From: redwing731 at gmail.com (Kendra Schaber) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 07:41:49 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Anatomy Class In-Reply-To: References: <63d7dbf7-c9c8-b0ad-c1e9-6ff74297bf54@gmail.com> <1eec9dad-7e78-47b8-ee36-0dee331eaccb@gmail.com> <6774DA8A-2AD3-48E8-B81C-1B72E3D95889@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5D72935C-AA03-4EB0-BB16-9FC47E11B310@gmail.com> Hi all! I heard that 3D printing is actually one of the best ways to see modles of different things like bones and graphic diagrams. I know that not every school has a 3D printer for the students to use during or for their classes. I was informed that it would help me out in my own future science classes. While I’m on the topic of science classes, how does one figure out if a lab is too visual for the blind without having the teacher doing all of the assessment and overjudging the situation by accedent? I had that experience in high school biology class. Also, in high school, I have run into inaccessable disections like worms themselves and computer anamated frog disections. I heard that the university setting is better than high school when it comes to bringing real spesamens to disect but does this happen every time that a disection occures? Also, figure out ways to make your diagrams accessable. Even with the best technology avalible, the tech doesn’t cover everything. I heard that it falls short with the very advanced diagrams because a picture doesn’t always translate into other forms of communication. I wonder if anyone who is exploring how to make pictures accessable to the blind has ever thought of pushing that application in the classroom? I think it’s the best place for this goal. Also, in anamidy class, if you can get your hands on something like a skelliten or organs of whatever type of anamidy that you’re studying. I think this will help you a lot. I got to touch a skellitan that was not normally accessable to the students because my science teacher at the time had morals. The only disection that I was ever able to access was the disection of a cows eye that took place at my nearest science musium of all places. I think if I remember right, we also disected a squid at that same musium. I didn’t disect myself but I did feel the body parts that were looked at by everyone else after they got disected. Thank you for taking the time to read this E Mail! Blessed be!!! Kendra Schaber, Chemeketa Community College, 350 Org, Citizen’s Climate Lobby, National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter, Salem, Oregon. Home email: Redwing731 at gmail.com Chemeketa Community College Email: Kschaber at my.Chemeketa.edu Phone: 971-599-9991 "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear" Author Unknown. Sent From My iPhone SE. Sent from My Gmail Email. Get Outlook Express for IOS. > On Sep 14, 2018, at 06:40, Emily Schlenker via NABS-L wrote: > > Honestly, 3-D printing is very much overrated as far as being able to produce detail for blind student. In my experience, having taken multiple semesters in the natural sciences, it is not really a good choice. It is not only slow, but it cannot account for different textures and important surfaces indicating such things as different types of tissue or types of cells. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 14, 2018, at 8:34 AM, Steve & Shannon Cook via NABS-L wrote: >> >> If you or someone has access to a 3D printer, you could print the parts you need for class. >> >> Steve Cook >> District 2 State Board Member of the NFB of SC >> 1st Vice President of the Computer Science & Technology Division of the NFB of SC >> 1st Vice President of the Columbia Chapter of the NFB of SC >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Asadullina via NABS-L >> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 11:22 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: lily2011a at gmail.com >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Anatomy Class >> >> Hello Ka, >> >> I’ll find out from the biology department which vendor or company they used to purchase the models from. I’ll let you know later today or at the latest tomorrow. Definitely keep an open communication going with your professor and let him know what you need. Also, I would let your professor know as soon as you don’t understand something in class because it is really easy to get behind in anatomy since there is a lot of information and the body is very complex. >> I believe you will do well! >> Lily >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 10, 2018, at 4:59 PM, Ka Li via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> Hello Lily: >>> >>> Thank you for the tips. >>> >>> Where were the 3-D models purchased? Right now, it doesn't look like they have a lot of 3-D models at my school. >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Ka >>> >>> >>>> On 9/10/2018 10:11 AM, Asadullina via NABS-L wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello Ka, >>>> >>>> I took anatomy and physiology one and two in college. The biology department already had some three – D models that are used in the lab. Also, they purchased more of the three – D models because not only did they think it was going to be helpful to me but also a lot of sighted students benefit from the models as well. We dissected cats in the lab. The professor ordered thinner latex gloves, so that I could still feel the parts of the cat during the dissection process. When I had difficult time identifying the smaller parts of the cat such as the nerves, The professor would have me identify those parts on the three -d models. I found the three – D models very beneficial. >>>> Also the professor would sometimes make two dimensional models out of marshmallows, straws, and other miscellaneous things. I would also receive tactile images and diagrams that were produced at the disability office. I did not find those as helpful. I would always utilize the professors office hours and I even set up an hour each week to meet with the professor. We would go over material that I didn’t understand in class. A lab assistant would read my lab practicals to me because the practicals were Visual. If you would like more tips or have any other questions, feel free to contact me off list. My number is: 267-644-6530. Email works as well. >>>> All the best, >>>> Lily >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lily2011a%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cookcafe%40sc.rr.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/eschlenker%40cox.net > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/redwing731%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 15:02:17 2018 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:02:17 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Anatomy Class In-Reply-To: References: <63d7dbf7-c9c8-b0ad-c1e9-6ff74297bf54@gmail.com> <1eec9dad-7e78-47b8-ee36-0dee331eaccb@gmail.com> <6774DA8A-2AD3-48E8-B81C-1B72E3D95889@gmail.com> Message-ID: <02b601d44c3b$ee891650$cb9b42f0$@gmail.com> How do you produce tactual details for a science class then? Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Emily Schlenker via NABS-L Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 9:40 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Emily Schlenker Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Anatomy Class Honestly, 3-D printing is very much overrated as far as being able to produce detail for blind student. In my experience, having taken multiple semesters in the natural sciences, it is not really a good choice. It is not only slow, but it cannot account for different textures and important surfaces indicating such things as different types of tissue or types of cells. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 14, 2018, at 8:34 AM, Steve & Shannon Cook via NABS-L wrote: > > If you or someone has access to a 3D printer, you could print the parts you need for class. > > Steve Cook > District 2 State Board Member of the NFB of SC 1st Vice President of > the Computer Science & Technology Division of the NFB of SC 1st Vice > President of the Columbia Chapter of the NFB of SC -----Original > Message----- > From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Asadullina via > NABS-L > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 11:22 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: lily2011a at gmail.com > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Anatomy Class > > Hello Ka, > > I’ll find out from the biology department which vendor or company they used to purchase the models from. I’ll let you know later today or at the latest tomorrow. Definitely keep an open communication going with your professor and let him know what you need. Also, I would let your professor know as soon as you don’t understand something in class because it is really easy to get behind in anatomy since there is a lot of information and the body is very complex. > I believe you will do well! > Lily > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 10, 2018, at 4:59 PM, Ka Li via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hello Lily: >> >> Thank you for the tips. >> >> Where were the 3-D models purchased? Right now, it doesn't look like they have a lot of 3-D models at my school. >> >> >> Best, >> >> Ka >> >> >>> On 9/10/2018 10:11 AM, Asadullina via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> Hello Ka, >>> >>> I took anatomy and physiology one and two in college. The biology department already had some three – D models that are used in the lab. Also, they purchased more of the three – D models because not only did they think it was going to be helpful to me but also a lot of sighted students benefit from the models as well. We dissected cats in the lab. The professor ordered thinner latex gloves, so that I could still feel the parts of the cat during the dissection process. When I had difficult time identifying the smaller parts of the cat such as the nerves, The professor would have me identify those parts on the three -d models. I found the three – D models very beneficial. >>> Also the professor would sometimes make two dimensional models out of marshmallows, straws, and other miscellaneous things. I would also receive tactile images and diagrams that were produced at the disability office. I did not find those as helpful. I would always utilize the professors office hours and I even set up an hour each week to meet with the professor. We would go over material that I didn’t understand in class. A lab assistant would read my lab practicals to me because the practicals were Visual. If you would like more tips or have any other questions, feel free to contact me off list. My number is: 267-644-6530. Email works as well. >>> All the best, >>> Lily >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lily2011a%40gmail >> .com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cookcafe%40sc.rr.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/eschlenker%40cox.n > et _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com From cookcafe at sc.rr.com Fri Sep 14 15:20:34 2018 From: cookcafe at sc.rr.com (Steve & Shannon Cook) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:20:34 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Anatomy Class In-Reply-To: References: <63d7dbf7-c9c8-b0ad-c1e9-6ff74297bf54@gmail.com> <1eec9dad-7e78-47b8-ee36-0dee331eaccb@gmail.com> <6774DA8A-2AD3-48E8-B81C-1B72E3D95889@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001701d44c3e$7d00ba30$77022e90$@sc.rr.com> Even though 3D printing is not 100% accurate, it is better than nothing. It will give a person an idea of what the item is. The print also depends on how detailed the file you print from is. Steve Cook District 2 State Board Member of the NFB of SC 1st Vice President of the Computer Science & Technology Division of the NFB of SC 1st Vice President of the Columbia Chapter of the NFB of SC -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Emily Schlenker via NABS-L Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 9:40 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Emily Schlenker Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Anatomy Class Honestly, 3-D printing is very much overrated as far as being able to produce detail for blind student. In my experience, having taken multiple semesters in the natural sciences, it is not really a good choice. It is not only slow, but it cannot account for different textures and important surfaces indicating such things as different types of tissue or types of cells. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 14, 2018, at 8:34 AM, Steve & Shannon Cook via NABS-L wrote: > > If you or someone has access to a 3D printer, you could print the parts you need for class. > > Steve Cook > District 2 State Board Member of the NFB of SC 1st Vice President of > the Computer Science & Technology Division of the NFB of SC 1st Vice > President of the Columbia Chapter of the NFB of SC -----Original > Message----- > From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Asadullina via > NABS-L > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 11:22 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: lily2011a at gmail.com > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Anatomy Class > > Hello Ka, > > I’ll find out from the biology department which vendor or company they used to purchase the models from. I’ll let you know later today or at the latest tomorrow. Definitely keep an open communication going with your professor and let him know what you need. Also, I would let your professor know as soon as you don’t understand something in class because it is really easy to get behind in anatomy since there is a lot of information and the body is very complex. > I believe you will do well! > Lily > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 10, 2018, at 4:59 PM, Ka Li via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hello Lily: >> >> Thank you for the tips. >> >> Where were the 3-D models purchased? Right now, it doesn't look like they have a lot of 3-D models at my school. >> >> >> Best, >> >> Ka >> >> >>> On 9/10/2018 10:11 AM, Asadullina via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> Hello Ka, >>> >>> I took anatomy and physiology one and two in college. The biology department already had some three – D models that are used in the lab. Also, they purchased more of the three – D models because not only did they think it was going to be helpful to me but also a lot of sighted students benefit from the models as well. We dissected cats in the lab. The professor ordered thinner latex gloves, so that I could still feel the parts of the cat during the dissection process. When I had difficult time identifying the smaller parts of the cat such as the nerves, The professor would have me identify those parts on the three -d models. I found the three – D models very beneficial. >>> Also the professor would sometimes make two dimensional models out of marshmallows, straws, and other miscellaneous things. I would also receive tactile images and diagrams that were produced at the disability office. I did not find those as helpful. I would always utilize the professors office hours and I even set up an hour each week to meet with the professor. We would go over material that I didn’t understand in class. A lab assistant would read my lab practicals to me because the practicals were Visual. If you would like more tips or have any other questions, feel free to contact me off list. My number is: 267-644-6530. Email works as well. >>> All the best, >>> Lily >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lily2011a%40gmail >> .com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cookcafe%40sc.rr.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/eschlenker%40cox.n > et _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cookcafe%40sc.rr.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 16:20:57 2018 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 12:20:57 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Anatomy Class In-Reply-To: <001701d44c3e$7d00ba30$77022e90$@sc.rr.com> References: <63d7dbf7-c9c8-b0ad-c1e9-6ff74297bf54@gmail.com> <1eec9dad-7e78-47b8-ee36-0dee331eaccb@gmail.com> <6774DA8A-2AD3-48E8-B81C-1B72E3D95889@gmail.com> <001701d44c3e$7d00ba30$77022e90$@sc.rr.com> Message-ID: <02ee01d44c46$ebe4d050$c3ae70f0$@gmail.com> Agreed, from my limited observations 3 d printing is pretty good. However, since I'm not one who works with the natural sciences, and as that I may run into a consumer who is, I'd be curious to hear from anyone who has other options other than 3 d printing. Justin Justin-----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve & Shannon Cook via NABS-L Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 11:21 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Steve & Shannon Cook Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Anatomy Class Even though 3D printing is not 100% accurate, it is better than nothing. It will give a person an idea of what the item is. The print also depends on how detailed the file you print from is. Steve Cook District 2 State Board Member of the NFB of SC 1st Vice President of the Computer Science & Technology Division of the NFB of SC 1st Vice President of the Columbia Chapter of the NFB of SC -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Emily Schlenker via NABS-L Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 9:40 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Emily Schlenker Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Anatomy Class Honestly, 3-D printing is very much overrated as far as being able to produce detail for blind student. In my experience, having taken multiple semesters in the natural sciences, it is not really a good choice. It is not only slow, but it cannot account for different textures and important surfaces indicating such things as different types of tissue or types of cells. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 14, 2018, at 8:34 AM, Steve & Shannon Cook via NABS-L wrote: > > If you or someone has access to a 3D printer, you could print the parts you need for class. > > Steve Cook > District 2 State Board Member of the NFB of SC 1st Vice President of > the Computer Science & Technology Division of the NFB of SC 1st Vice > President of the Columbia Chapter of the NFB of SC -----Original > Message----- > From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Asadullina via > NABS-L > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 11:22 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: lily2011a at gmail.com > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Anatomy Class > > Hello Ka, > > I’ll find out from the biology department which vendor or company they used to purchase the models from. I’ll let you know later today or at the latest tomorrow. Definitely keep an open communication going with your professor and let him know what you need. Also, I would let your professor know as soon as you don’t understand something in class because it is really easy to get behind in anatomy since there is a lot of information and the body is very complex. > I believe you will do well! > Lily > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 10, 2018, at 4:59 PM, Ka Li via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hello Lily: >> >> Thank you for the tips. >> >> Where were the 3-D models purchased? Right now, it doesn't look like they have a lot of 3-D models at my school. >> >> >> Best, >> >> Ka >> >> >>> On 9/10/2018 10:11 AM, Asadullina via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> Hello Ka, >>> >>> I took anatomy and physiology one and two in college. The biology department already had some three – D models that are used in the lab. Also, they purchased more of the three – D models because not only did they think it was going to be helpful to me but also a lot of sighted students benefit from the models as well. We dissected cats in the lab. The professor ordered thinner latex gloves, so that I could still feel the parts of the cat during the dissection process. When I had difficult time identifying the smaller parts of the cat such as the nerves, The professor would have me identify those parts on the three -d models. I found the three – D models very beneficial. >>> Also the professor would sometimes make two dimensional models out of marshmallows, straws, and other miscellaneous things. I would also receive tactile images and diagrams that were produced at the disability office. I did not find those as helpful. I would always utilize the professors office hours and I even set up an hour each week to meet with the professor. We would go over material that I didn’t understand in class. A lab assistant would read my lab practicals to me because the practicals were Visual. If you would like more tips or have any other questions, feel free to contact me off list. My number is: 267-644-6530. Email works as well. >>> All the best, >>> Lily >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lily2011a%40gmail >> .com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cookcafe%40sc.rr.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/eschlenker%40cox.n > et _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cookcafe%40sc.rr.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com From eschlenker at cox.net Fri Sep 14 16:46:10 2018 From: eschlenker at cox.net (Emily Schlenker) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:46:10 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Anatomy Class In-Reply-To: References: <63d7dbf7-c9c8-b0ad-c1e9-6ff74297bf54@gmail.com> <1eec9dad-7e78-47b8-ee36-0dee331eaccb@gmail.com> <6774DA8A-2AD3-48E8-B81C-1B72E3D95889@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7F4ACB7F-FAFA-4611-8111-94545D03EFA5@cox.net> My concern is, that something being better than nothing may actually be problematic depending on what the instructors expectations are. I am taking a 500 level anatomy class, and 3-D printing would not fly. Trying to represent germ layers and other features and processes is better done with something like the picture in a flash machine and adobe illustrator. Better than nothing has not worked up past about the 200 level classes in my experience, which is considerable. I have multiple semesters in several of the natural sciences. I will graduate with about 190 hours of credit. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 14, 2018, at 10:20 AM, Steve & Shannon Cook via NABS-L wrote: > > Even though 3D printing is not 100% accurate, it is better than nothing. It will give a person an idea of what the item is. The print also depends on how detailed the file you print from is. > > Steve Cook > District 2 State Board Member of the NFB of SC > 1st Vice President of the Computer Science & Technology Division of the NFB of SC > 1st Vice President of the Columbia Chapter of the NFB of SC > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Emily Schlenker via NABS-L > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 9:40 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Emily Schlenker > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Anatomy Class > > Honestly, 3-D printing is very much overrated as far as being able to produce detail for blind student. In my experience, having taken multiple semesters in the natural sciences, it is not really a good choice. It is not only slow, but it cannot account for different textures and important surfaces indicating such things as different types of tissue or types of cells. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 14, 2018, at 8:34 AM, Steve & Shannon Cook via NABS-L wrote: >> >> If you or someone has access to a 3D printer, you could print the parts you need for class. >> >> Steve Cook >> District 2 State Board Member of the NFB of SC 1st Vice President of >> the Computer Science & Technology Division of the NFB of SC 1st Vice >> President of the Columbia Chapter of the NFB of SC -----Original >> Message----- >> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Asadullina via >> NABS-L >> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 11:22 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: lily2011a at gmail.com >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Anatomy Class >> >> Hello Ka, >> >> I’ll find out from the biology department which vendor or company they used to purchase the models from. I’ll let you know later today or at the latest tomorrow. Definitely keep an open communication going with your professor and let him know what you need. Also, I would let your professor know as soon as you don’t understand something in class because it is really easy to get behind in anatomy since there is a lot of information and the body is very complex. >> I believe you will do well! >> Lily >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 10, 2018, at 4:59 PM, Ka Li via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> Hello Lily: >>> >>> Thank you for the tips. >>> >>> Where were the 3-D models purchased? Right now, it doesn't look like they have a lot of 3-D models at my school. >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Ka >>> >>> >>>> On 9/10/2018 10:11 AM, Asadullina via NABS-L wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello Ka, >>>> >>>> I took anatomy and physiology one and two in college. The biology department already had some three – D models that are used in the lab. Also, they purchased more of the three – D models because not only did they think it was going to be helpful to me but also a lot of sighted students benefit from the models as well. We dissected cats in the lab. The professor ordered thinner latex gloves, so that I could still feel the parts of the cat during the dissection process. When I had difficult time identifying the smaller parts of the cat such as the nerves, The professor would have me identify those parts on the three -d models. I found the three – D models very beneficial. >>>> Also the professor would sometimes make two dimensional models out of marshmallows, straws, and other miscellaneous things. I would also receive tactile images and diagrams that were produced at the disability office. I did not find those as helpful. I would always utilize the professors office hours and I even set up an hour each week to meet with the professor. We would go over material that I didn’t understand in class. A lab assistant would read my lab practicals to me because the practicals were Visual. If you would like more tips or have any other questions, feel free to contact me off list. My number is: 267-644-6530. Email works as well. >>>> All the best, >>>> Lily >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lily2011a%40gmail >>> .com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cookcafe%40sc.rr.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/eschlenker%40cox.n >> et > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cookcafe%40sc.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/eschlenker%40cox.net From eschlenker at cox.net Fri Sep 14 16:49:11 2018 From: eschlenker at cox.net (Emily Schlenker) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:49:11 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Anatomy Class In-Reply-To: References: <63d7dbf7-c9c8-b0ad-c1e9-6ff74297bf54@gmail.com> <1eec9dad-7e78-47b8-ee36-0dee331eaccb@gmail.com> <6774DA8A-2AD3-48E8-B81C-1B72E3D95889@gmail.com> Message-ID: <730167E1-5F98-4B8F-BB3D-EB5BEC56B90A@cox.net> Justin, you can either do it with a picture in a flash machine paired with adobe illustrator and the special paper that swells when treated with heat, or you can do it with thermoform, this will not produce the level of detail that is often necessary. I will graduate with a biology major and a chemistry minor, so I have considerable experience studying more than introductory level material in science. Emily President south central chapter national Federation of the blind of KS 316-644-4227 Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 14, 2018, at 10:02 AM, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: > > How do you produce tactual details for a science class then? > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Emily Schlenker via NABS-L > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 9:40 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Emily Schlenker > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Anatomy Class > > Honestly, 3-D printing is very much overrated as far as being able to produce detail for blind student. In my experience, having taken multiple semesters in the natural sciences, it is not really a good choice. It is not only slow, but it cannot account for different textures and important surfaces indicating such things as different types of tissue or types of cells. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 14, 2018, at 8:34 AM, Steve & Shannon Cook via NABS-L wrote: >> >> If you or someone has access to a 3D printer, you could print the parts you need for class. >> >> Steve Cook >> District 2 State Board Member of the NFB of SC 1st Vice President of >> the Computer Science & Technology Division of the NFB of SC 1st Vice >> President of the Columbia Chapter of the NFB of SC -----Original >> Message----- >> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Asadullina via >> NABS-L >> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 11:22 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: lily2011a at gmail.com >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Anatomy Class >> >> Hello Ka, >> >> I’ll find out from the biology department which vendor or company they used to purchase the models from. I’ll let you know later today or at the latest tomorrow. Definitely keep an open communication going with your professor and let him know what you need. Also, I would let your professor know as soon as you don’t understand something in class because it is really easy to get behind in anatomy since there is a lot of information and the body is very complex. >> I believe you will do well! >> Lily >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 10, 2018, at 4:59 PM, Ka Li via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> Hello Lily: >>> >>> Thank you for the tips. >>> >>> Where were the 3-D models purchased? Right now, it doesn't look like they have a lot of 3-D models at my school. >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Ka >>> >>> >>>> On 9/10/2018 10:11 AM, Asadullina via NABS-L wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello Ka, >>>> >>>> I took anatomy and physiology one and two in college. The biology department already had some three – D models that are used in the lab. Also, they purchased more of the three – D models because not only did they think it was going to be helpful to me but also a lot of sighted students benefit from the models as well. We dissected cats in the lab. The professor ordered thinner latex gloves, so that I could still feel the parts of the cat during the dissection process. When I had difficult time identifying the smaller parts of the cat such as the nerves, The professor would have me identify those parts on the three -d models. I found the three – D models very beneficial. >>>> Also the professor would sometimes make two dimensional models out of marshmallows, straws, and other miscellaneous things. I would also receive tactile images and diagrams that were produced at the disability office. I did not find those as helpful. I would always utilize the professors office hours and I even set up an hour each week to meet with the professor. We would go over material that I didn’t understand in class. A lab assistant would read my lab practicals to me because the practicals were Visual. If you would like more tips or have any other questions, feel free to contact me off list. My number is: 267-644-6530. Email works as well. >>>> All the best, >>>> Lily >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lily2011a%40gmail >>> .com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cookcafe%40sc.rr.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/eschlenker%40cox.n >> et > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/eschlenker%40cox.net From lily2011a at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 19:50:11 2018 From: lily2011a at gmail.com (lily2011a at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 15:50:11 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Anatomy Class In-Reply-To: <1eec9dad-7e78-47b8-ee36-0dee331eaccb@gmail.com> References: <63d7dbf7-c9c8-b0ad-c1e9-6ff74297bf54@gmail.com> <1eec9dad-7e78-47b8-ee36-0dee331eaccb@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1D3502E3-84B4-43FA-82D1-5F0CD337C1ED@gmail.com> Hi Ka, The place that my biology department purchases models from is called: Carolina. The website is: http://www.carolina.com Good luck and let me know if you need anything. Lily > On Sep 10, 2018, at 4:59 PM, Ka Li via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello Lily: > > Thank you for the tips. > > Where were the 3-D models purchased? Right now, it doesn't look like they have a lot of 3-D models at my school. > > > Best, > > Ka > > >> On 9/10/2018 10:11 AM, Asadullina via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hello Ka, >> >> I took anatomy and physiology one and two in college. The biology department already had some three – D models that are used in the lab. Also, they purchased more of the three – D models because not only did they think it was going to be helpful to me but also a lot of sighted students benefit from the models as well. We dissected cats in the lab. The professor ordered thinner latex gloves, so that I could still feel the parts of the cat during the dissection process. When I had difficult time identifying the smaller parts of the cat such as the nerves, The professor would have me identify those parts on the three -d models. I found the three – D models very beneficial. >> Also the professor would sometimes make two dimensional models out of marshmallows, straws, and other miscellaneous things. I would also receive tactile images and diagrams that were produced at the disability office. I did not find those as helpful. I would always utilize the professors office hours and I even set up an hour each week to meet with the professor. We would go over material that I didn’t understand in class. A lab assistant would read my lab practicals to me because the practicals were Visual. If you would like more tips or have any other questions, feel free to contact me off list. My number is: 267-644-6530. Email works as well. >> All the best, >> Lily >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lily2011a From matthewhgip at gmail.com Sat Sep 15 18:27:53 2018 From: matthewhgip at gmail.com (Matthew Gip) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 11:27:53 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] NABS Blog Post for September Message-ID: <32D45EA5-D27C-4A74-AA0B-2A31C777CE92@gmail.com> Dear Students, As our weekend has begun to kick off into a busy time filled with excitement, please spare a moment out of your day and read this month’s blog post. This month, the outreach committee is focusing on careers as a blind individual and how we handle and deal with the obstacles and barriers put before us and how we must overcome them. Thanks to our good friend, Angie Castro, for taking the time and writing a blog on her career as an audio engineer. Happy reading! Note: There will be a link which will take you to nabslink.org, where you can find the blog there and the blog has been copied and pasted beneath the link for your convenience. http://nabslink.org/content/working-audio-engineer-when-you-are-blind Working as an Audio Engineer when You Are Blind From the Editor Angie Castro is a resident of Wisconsin; and an active member of the Wisconsin affiliate. Angie’s passion for music, sound, and audio editing proves true through her eagerness to get her foot in the door, regardless of what it takes. If you know Angie, you immediately think of her kind heart, loving personality, and loyal soul, but many don’t know about her hidden talent. Please join us in reading more about Angie’s unique skill set; and how she is making it happen through her successes. I have been in the Audio Production Field for about a year now. But, first let me introduce myself. My name is Angie Castro and I am currently living in Madison, Wisconsin. I am an aspiring Audio Engineer who happens to be Blind. I say aspiring because, I don’t have a whole lot of experience in the field yet, to really call myself an audio engineer. Well at least, those are my thoughts. I will be sharing some of my experiences I’ve had while getting my feet wet in the field. I have been told that I have a great advantage to work in this field because my hearing must be great. While yes, I do have an advantage with working in this field because I use my hearing more than my vision, there are challenges that also come with it. Whether you are producing audio or mixing audio, you rely on your ears. But, for some things it can be a challenge because sometimes vision is needed, in the practical sense. Fortunately, I learned to adapt and adjust as needed. I have worked in the live sound aspect of audio engineering. While it is a great and ideal place for people to get their feet, wet and get started in this field, it can be hectic and stressful at times. One of my professional experiences was when I worked as a stage hand at the theatre at a university in Madison. Prior to my start date, I spoke to my boss about my blindness, what I was able to do, and what I maybe was less likely to be successful doing. One adjustment I made was memorizing the faders and knobs on the board. I would also have a session set up a certain way so it was easiest for me to access the channels where the microphones were set up. I helped my coworkers with setting up and striking down afterwards. Some of my roles included: setting up microphones and cables, putting microphones away, and wrapping cables when we were done with shows. Powering off the board and the amps were really intriguing to me, letting me get more hands-on exposure to audio engineering. There were times where I would have to have someone help me when I had difficulty with something. My coworkers were always mindful of telling me if there was something on the ground such as a cable or chair or what have you. Audio engineering is not just about producing or making music. It’s more than that. it’s making sure a song or a performance sounds great. It’s about ensuring the levels are not clipping or distorting and it all sounds clean. Another thing that you need to have is patience and communication skills to talk and work with an artist or performer. Ask them what they need and if they need help in any way. That is a big thing about this field. Whether you are working at a studio or a venue, you must be able to work with several different types of personalities. While I still have a lot to learn and more to experience, I can truly say, I love this field! It may have its challenges at times, but I don’t let blindness stop me from doing what I love. Respectfully, Matthew Gip President | California Association of Blind Students A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind of California Co-chair | National Association of Blind Students Outreach Committee Phone: (559) 375-2068 Email: matthewhgip at gmail.com Live The Life You Want! From michael.ausbun at gmail.com Sat Sep 15 20:20:07 2018 From: michael.ausbun at gmail.com (michael.ausbun at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 13:20:07 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Nevada State Convention Message-ID: <008301d44d31$7ec51b10$7c4f5130$@gmail.com> Greetings, The national Federation of the Blind of Nevada warmly invites you to join us as we dare to dream, declare, and deliver October 5 and 6 at the Nugget Casino Resort, 1100 Nugget Ave. Sparks, NV 89431. At this year's state convention, there will be a three-hour seminar, providing an opportunity for professionals in the field of blindness education and rehabilitation to learn, collaborate and work towards obtaining three (3) continuing education units, provided by Louisiana Tech University. Presenters consist of experts in the field of blindness education and rehabilitation, including Pamela Allen, Executive Director of the Louisiana Center for the Blind. Topics will include discussions around transition services, university programs, and a cane walk. Join us as we dare to dream, declare and deliver high quality services to blind and low vision consumers. For more information about our convention, please find our agenda at the following link: http://www.nfbnevada.org/convention-agenda.html Respectfully, Michael Ausbun Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Nevada From kenia.flores at furman.edu Sun Sep 16 03:43:03 2018 From: kenia.flores at furman.edu (Kenia Flores-Student) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 03:43:03 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Reminder: Legislative Advocacy Committee Call tomorrow at 8pm eastern Message-ID: Good evening fellow students, I hope you have had a wonderful weekend. This is a friendly reminder that the legislative advocacy committee is having our monthly conference call tomorrow (Sunday) at 8pm eastern. The call-in number is 712-770-5197, and the access code is 265669. We look forward to speaking with you then. Best, Kenia Flores Kenia Flores Furman University '20 Department of Politics and International Affairs 2nd Vice President | National Association of Blind Students Chair | National Association of Blind Students Legislative Advocacy Committee President | North Carolina Association of Blind Students (704) 476-6629 Kenia.flores at furman.edu From janae.burgmeier at gmail.com Sun Sep 16 17:22:07 2018 From: janae.burgmeier at gmail.com (Janae Burgmeier) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 12:22:07 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Outreach committee. Message-ID: <7F49A79D-C692-4B22-8B04-32E99F7A1F0B@gmail.com> The outreach committee is looking for ideas for their monthly themes. Last month was relationships, this month is unique employment and next month will be meet the blind month. What other themes could we have? What are you all interested in learning about this year? From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Sun Sep 16 17:31:01 2018 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 13:31:01 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Outreach committee. Message-ID: <5b9e9358.1c69fb81.6688f.bb57@mx.google.com> I am interested in learning about White Cane Day. On Sep 16, 2018 1:22 PM, Janae Burgmeier via NABS-L wrote: > > The outreach committee is looking for ideas for their monthly themes. Last month was relationships, this month is unique employment and next month will be meet the blind month. What other themes could we have? What are you all interested in learning about this year? > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com From alpineimagination at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 18:33:58 2018 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 11:33:58 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Participating in Student Government In College Message-ID: <86B08132-15D7-4FBB-ABF8-722C3CF56852@gmail.com> Hi All, I am going to be involved in my college dorm's student government. I'm extremely excited, and don't anticipate any problems. My position will mainly involve communicating with the students on my floor or wing if they have any problems, and to work along with the rest of the team to plan events. I just wanted to know if anyone else who participated in a similar position ever had any accessibility barriers of any kind. I remember from the discussion two weeks on here that sometimes there are sometimes accessibility issues in being part of a group. Thank you so much. Vejas Vasiliauskas Secretary and Treasurer of the California Association of Blind Students Phone: (310) 265-3949 Email: alpineimagination at gmail.com From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 19:32:34 2018 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket X. Bidleman) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 12:32:34 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Participating in Student Government In College In-Reply-To: <86B08132-15D7-4FBB-ABF8-722C3CF56852@gmail.com> References: <86B08132-15D7-4FBB-ABF8-722C3CF56852@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Vejas, Thanks for reaching out to the list with your question--it's a good one. Surprisingly, there are very few accessibility obstacles with participating in dorm government, since it's mostly emailing and talking to people. I was the secretary of my dorm government last year, so I got to write lots and lots of emails and meeting minutes. Dorm government in general is a pretty small time commitment, so you should be good on that front, but remember that the rest of the dorm government is there to help support you. If you're too busy to do something well, ask someone else for help. And don't procrastinate on stuff like that, because when you're planning events for lots of people, procrastination is the worst! I would say that one obstacle you might encounter is spreadsheets. As you know, spreadsheets are used to collaborate on things like event planning, and in today's university setting, most people like to use Google sheets. It's temperamental at best, so I would definitely suggest going and working with it some before doing any of the dorm government stuff. Again since you're a team, don't be afraid to sit down with the other people on the dorm government and talk about how you're all going to handle things. Keep an open dialogue if you can. I'd say the last important thing about being on a dorm government is that you are there, in part, to help people with problems they might have. Sometimes that involves taking on the role of a counselor or mediating arguments, so make sure to be patient and professional for that. I'm certified in student counseling, and one of the pieces of advice they gave us is, in dealing with interpersonal conflicts, to have the people involved speak about their experiences and in particular, ask them questions that guide them toward identifying and clarifying the specific feelings they have in relation to the situation. Regardless of whether you're dealing with a problem someone's talking to you about or an interpersonal conflict, it's important to remember that you're hearing their side of a story, so try not to get too emotionally invested if you can. It's really difficult sometimes though. And of course, if a student comes up to you and indicates that they're contemplating or seriously planning to harm themselves or someone else in some way, you should absolutely, no matter what happens, report this to the RA's in the dorm. I dealt with a situation last year where someone asked me specifically to promise I wouldn't say anything to anyone before telling me that they intended to seriously harm themselves. Promises like that can end up putting people in worse situations, so if that kind of situation arises, keep in mind that you could be saving a life. And that's about it, I think. Let me know if you have any questions--you know how to get in touch. Best, Cricket X. Bidleman (she/her/hers) Stanford University | Class of 2021 On 9/17/18, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi All, > > I am going to be involved in my college dorm's student government. I'm > extremely excited, and don't anticipate any problems. > My position will mainly involve communicating with the students on my floor > or wing if they have any problems, and to work along with the rest of the > team to plan events. > I just wanted to know if anyone else who participated in a similar position > ever had any accessibility barriers of any kind. I remember from the > discussion two weeks on here that sometimes there are sometimes > accessibility issues in being part of a group. > Thank you so much. > Vejas Vasiliauskas > Secretary and Treasurer of the California Association of Blind Students > Phone: (310) 265-3949 > Email: alpineimagination at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 12:17:01 2018 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 08:17:01 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Question About My Professional signature Message-ID: <5ba0ecc1.1c69fb81.6ee83.7743@mx.google.com> Dear Students, As many of you may know, I am participating in the Independent Living Skills program at the Rehabilitation Center For The Blind And Visually in Daytona, Beach, Florida. One of the things that my parents want me to learn while I am here is how to write my name in a professional manner. My Personal Management instructor and I are working on this on a daily basis. However, she suggested that I get a stamp with my professional signature on it. What are your thoughts on this? Roanna Bacchus  From taylorarndt99 at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 12:43:32 2018 From: taylorarndt99 at gmail.com (Taylor Arndt) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 08:43:32 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Question About My Professional signature In-Reply-To: <5ba0ecc1.1c69fb81.6ee83.7743@mx.google.com> References: <5ba0ecc1.1c69fb81.6ee83.7743@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9AFD7E57-1DAD-4A6F-B3D3-C2DA014DAC31@gmail.com> I have stamp Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 18, 2018, at 8:17 AM, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L wrote: > > Dear Students, > > As many of you may know, I am participating in the Independent Living Skills program at the Rehabilitation Center For The Blind And Visually in Daytona, Beach, Florida. One of the things that my parents want me to learn while I am here is how to write my name in a professional manner. My Personal Management instructor and I are working on this on a daily basis. However, she suggested that I get a stamp with my professional signature on it. What are your thoughts on this? > > Roanna Bacchus > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/taylorarndt99%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 12:49:08 2018 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 08:49:08 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Question About My Professional signature In-Reply-To: <9AFD7E57-1DAD-4A6F-B3D3-C2DA014DAC31@gmail.com> References: <5ba0ecc1.1c69fb81.6ee83.7743@mx.google.com> <9AFD7E57-1DAD-4A6F-B3D3-C2DA014DAC31@gmail.com> Message-ID: <07e501d44f4d$fe180490$fa480db0$@gmail.com> Does it work on the machines in the grocery store? Because that is a good idea/ -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Taylor Arndt via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 8:44 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Taylor Arndt Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Question About My Professional signature I have stamp Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 18, 2018, at 8:17 AM, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L wrote: > > Dear Students, > > As many of you may know, I am participating in the Independent Living Skills program at the Rehabilitation Center For The Blind And Visually in Daytona, Beach, Florida. One of the things that my parents want me to learn while I am here is how to write my name in a professional manner. My Personal Management instructor and I are working on this on a daily basis. However, she suggested that I get a stamp with my professional signature on it. What are your thoughts on this? > > Roanna Bacchus > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/taylorarndt99%40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From mauraloberg at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 15:03:52 2018 From: mauraloberg at gmail.com (Maura Loberg) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 10:03:52 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] tech for college Message-ID: <5ba113ee.1c69fb81.64c89.015a@mx.google.com> I am going to be entering blindness skills training and college in the near future. This year, I am working on writing letters to purchase certain pieces of tech. My question is, what technology did you find super useful in training and/or college? Computers? Notetaking devices? Braille displays? Screenreaders? Apps? I'm open to all ideas. I'm totally blind so magnifiers are out of the question. Thanks! From misokwak12 at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 15:28:41 2018 From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 11:28:41 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] tech for college In-Reply-To: <5ba113ee.1c69fb81.64c89.015a@mx.google.com> References: <5ba113ee.1c69fb81.64c89.015a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Either BrailleNote Touch or BrailleSense Polaris depending on your preference. I find the braille notetakers extremely useful for taking notes and reading texts as a heavy braille user. Miso Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 18, 2018, at 11:03 AM, Maura Loberg via NABS-L wrote: > > I am going to be entering blindness skills training and college in the near future. This year, I am working on writing letters to purchase certain pieces of tech. My question is, what technology did you find super useful in training and/or college? Computers? Notetaking devices? Braille displays? Screenreaders? Apps? I'm open to all ideas. I'm totally blind so magnifiers are out of the question. > Thanks! > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/misokwak12%40gmail.com From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 15:45:18 2018 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (sophie trist) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 10:45:18 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] tech for college Message-ID: <5ba11d9d.1c69fb81.b9bf6.2cd7@mx.google.com> Hi Maura, I second Miso's suggestion of a braille notetaker. I use a BrailleNote Touch, and I find it extremely useful for taking notes, completing simple assignments, and reading in class. I personally can't deal with headphones and laggy bluetooth connections in a classroom setting. You'll also want a computer for more complex assignments. A Windows laptop with JAWS is my preference. You will probably be using an online learning system like Blackboard, Moodle, or Canvas. As far as apps, KNFB Reader has saved my bacon pretty much on a daily basis. It's well worth the investment if you don't have it. Hope this is helpful, and good luck on your journey! Sophie On Sep 18, 2018 10:03 AM, Maura Loberg via NABS-L wrote: > > I am going to be entering blindness skills training and college in the near future. This year, I am working on writing letters to purchase certain pieces of tech. My question is, what technology did you find super useful in training and/or college? Computers? Notetaking devices? Braille displays? Screenreaders? Apps? I'm open to all ideas. I'm totally blind so magnifiers are out of the question. > Thanks! > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareader%40gmail.com From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 16:18:44 2018 From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 12:18:44 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Question About My Professional signature In-Reply-To: <5ba0ecc1.1c69fb81.6ee83.7743@mx.google.com> References: <5ba0ecc1.1c69fb81.6ee83.7743@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Roanna: I actually learned a very easy way to do this from President Riccobono. When he needed to electronically sign a document, he signed his name on a blank piece of paper and asked a sighted person to take a picture of the signature. He then saved the JPG file on his computer so he could use it whenever the situation called for it. Now, when he gets a copy of a document which requires his signature, whether in electronic form or in hardcopy, he can simply copy and paste the JPG file into the document. I have also tried this method and have found it to be very easy and useful. In cases in which you have to sign a document in the moment, such as a check at a restaurant or a form at a doctor's office, a stamp may be a good idea which I have never thought about. Personally, I have developed overtime a common signature which I can use in any situation. Mine consists of the letters CN (my first and last initials) followed by a "squiggly line" at the end. You will observe that my signature isn't my full written name, and that it probably wouldn't be considered to be neat handwriting. However, it is consistent and legible, so it's accepted in any professional setting. So I would advise you not to stress about writing all the letters of your name perfectly. Remember that many sighted people have very messy handwriting and that sighted people often can't make out each other's writing. As long as you have a signature which is consistent whenever you sign, you will be fine. Hope this helps, Chris Nusbaum > On Sep 18, 2018, at 8:17 AM, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L wrote: > > Dear Students, > > As many of you may know, I am participating in the Independent Living Skills program at the Rehabilitation Center For The Blind And Visually in Daytona, Beach, Florida. One of the things that my parents want me to learn while I am here is how to write my name in a professional manner. My Personal Management instructor and I are working on this on a daily basis. However, she suggested that I get a stamp with my professional signature on it. What are your thoughts on this? > > Roanna Bacchus > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%40gmail.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 17:23:33 2018 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 13:23:33 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Question About My Professional signature Message-ID: <5ba1349a.1c69fb81.664ee.51f1@mx.google.com> Hi Chris thanks for your message. My professional signature will consist of my initials. On Sep 18, 2018 12:18 PM, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Roanna: > > I actually learned a very easy way to do this from President Riccobono. When he needed to electronically sign a document, he signed his name on a blank piece of paper and asked a sighted person to take a picture of the signature. He then saved the JPG file on his computer so he could use it whenever the situation called for it. Now, when he gets a copy of a document which requires his signature, whether in electronic form or in hardcopy, he can simply copy and paste the JPG file into the document. I have also tried this method and have found it to be very easy and useful. > > In cases in which you have to sign a document in the moment, such as a check at a restaurant or a form at a doctor's office, a stamp may be a good idea which I have never thought about. Personally, I have developed overtime a common signature which I can use in any situation. Mine consists of the letters CN (my first and last initials) followed by a "squiggly line" at the end. You will observe that my signature isn't my full written name, and that it probably wouldn't be considered to be neat handwriting. However, it is consistent and legible, so it's accepted in any professional setting. So I would advise you not to stress about writing all the letters of your name perfectly. Remember that many sighted people have very messy handwriting and that sighted people often can't make out each other's writing. As long as you have a signature which is consistent whenever you sign, you will be fine. > > Hope this helps, > > Chris Nusbaum > > > On Sep 18, 2018, at 8:17 AM, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L wrote: > > > > Dear Students, > > > > As many of you may know, I am participating in the Independent Living Skills program at the Rehabilitation Center For The Blind And Visually in Daytona, Beach, Florida. One of the things that my parents want me to learn while I am here is how to write my name in a professional manner. My Personal Management instructor and I are working on this on a daily basis. However, she suggested that I get a stamp with my professional signature on it. What are your thoughts on this? > > > > Roanna Bacchus > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 17:32:12 2018 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 13:32:12 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] tech for college Message-ID: <5ba1369f.1c69fb81.4cb62.6c48@mx.google.com> I would also recommend the BrailleNote Touch for blind students who are going into college. The BrailleNote Touch is one of the best notetakers I have ever seen. It has allowed me to fill out forms and surveys on the internet and send and receive accurate emails. On Sep 18, 2018 11:45 AM, sophie trist via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Maura, > > I second Miso's suggestion of a braille notetaker. I use a BrailleNote Touch, and I find it extremely useful for taking notes, completing simple assignments, and reading in class. I personally can't deal with headphones and laggy bluetooth connections in a classroom setting. You'll also want a computer for more complex assignments. A Windows laptop with JAWS is my preference. You will probably be using an online learning system like Blackboard, Moodle, or Canvas. As far as apps, KNFB Reader has saved my bacon pretty much on a daily basis. It's well worth the investment if you don't have it. Hope this is helpful, and good luck on your journey! > > Sophie > > On Sep 18, 2018 10:03 AM, Maura Loberg via NABS-L wrote: > > > > I am going to be entering blindness skills training and college in the near future. This year, I am working on writing letters to purchase certain pieces of tech. My question is, what technology did you find super useful in training and/or college? Computers? Notetaking devices? Braille displays? Screenreaders? Apps? I'm open to all ideas. I'm totally blind so magnifiers are out of the question. > > Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareader%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com From braillemasterjustin at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 18:31:46 2018 From: braillemasterjustin at gmail.com (Justin Heard) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 14:31:46 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Environmental Science and Foreign Language Courses Message-ID: <65700b74-b90c-49bf-726f-afa27942151d@gmail.com> Hi everyone! I have two important questions. Next Spring, I will take an environmental science course. One of the things the professor mentioned is called a colorimeter. I looked through Independence Science, and did not see anything that went with LabQuest, though I'm not a science major so I could have easily missed something. Has anyone used a colorimeter before, and if so, how? For my major, I am required to take two foreign language courses. I am going to take Spanish 1 and 2. How should I handle this? Should I have as much material produced in Spanish braille as possible? I am an efficient braille reader, and my college will do this with ease. Or is there a digital route that I should take? Just so you know, I read all of my textbooks on a braille display because I learn better that way. I'm not sure how well I could switch from English to Spanish braille though. Has anyone tried learning a foreign language this way before? Thanks for taking the time to read this! From singingemmanuelle at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 19:02:31 2018 From: singingemmanuelle at gmail.com (Emmanuelle Lo) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 15:02:31 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Environmental Science and Foreign Language Courses In-Reply-To: <65700b74-b90c-49bf-726f-afa27942151d@gmail.com> References: <65700b74-b90c-49bf-726f-afa27942151d@gmail.com> Message-ID: <38C047C6-E24B-4928-BFBE-D8C442EED868@gmail.com> Hi Justin, I'm currently taking Chinese, and I use my Braille Note Touch to read BRF files that my transcriber produces. I took Latin in high school, and since that used the same alphabet as English and only really had one accent mark, it was easy to switch between English and Latin braille in the same digital document. I've never taken Spanish, so I'm not sure how different that is. But if you're reading BRF files, they can have both English and a foreign language without you needing to change any settings. I hope this helps, Emmie > On Sep 18, 2018, at 2:31 PM, Justin Heard via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi everyone! > I have two important questions. Next Spring, I will take an environmental science course. One of the things the professor mentioned is called a colorimeter. I looked through Independence Science, and did not see anything that went with LabQuest, though I'm not a science major so I could have easily missed something. Has anyone used a colorimeter before, and if so, how? > For my major, I am required to take two foreign language courses. I am going to take Spanish 1 and 2. How should I handle this? Should I have as much material produced in Spanish braille as possible? I am an efficient braille reader, and my college will do this with ease. Or is there a digital route that I should take? Just so you know, I read all of my textbooks on a braille display because I learn better that way. I'm not sure how well I could switch from English to Spanish braille though. Has anyone tried learning a foreign language this way before? > Thanks for taking the time to read this! > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/singingemmanuelle%40gmail.com From braillemasterjustin at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 19:33:11 2018 From: braillemasterjustin at gmail.com (Justin Heard) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 15:33:11 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Environmental Science and Foreign Language Courses In-Reply-To: <38C047C6-E24B-4928-BFBE-D8C442EED868@gmail.com> References: <65700b74-b90c-49bf-726f-afa27942151d@gmail.com> <38C047C6-E24B-4928-BFBE-D8C442EED868@gmail.com> Message-ID: That helps. I could have the textbook sent in a BRF format, though I'm not sure if I could have the assignments and tests produced that way since they wouldn't be ready to go until next semester. it takes a while for the transcription to happen. Thanks for the idea. On 9/18/2018 3:02 PM, Emmanuelle Lo via NABS-L wrote: > Hi Justin, > > I'm currently taking Chinese, and I use my Braille Note Touch to read BRF files that my transcriber produces. I took Latin in high school, and since that used the same alphabet as English and only really had one accent mark, it was easy to switch between English and Latin braille in the same digital document. I've never taken Spanish, so I'm not sure how different that is. But if you're reading BRF files, they can have both English and a foreign language without you needing to change any settings. > > I hope this helps, > Emmie >> On Sep 18, 2018, at 2:31 PM, Justin Heard via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hi everyone! >> I have two important questions. Next Spring, I will take an environmental science course. One of the things the professor mentioned is called a colorimeter. I looked through Independence Science, and did not see anything that went with LabQuest, though I'm not a science major so I could have easily missed something. Has anyone used a colorimeter before, and if so, how? >> For my major, I am required to take two foreign language courses. I am going to take Spanish 1 and 2. How should I handle this? Should I have as much material produced in Spanish braille as possible? I am an efficient braille reader, and my college will do this with ease. Or is there a digital route that I should take? Just so you know, I read all of my textbooks on a braille display because I learn better that way. I'm not sure how well I could switch from English to Spanish braille though. Has anyone tried learning a foreign language this way before? >> Thanks for taking the time to read this! >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/singingemmanuelle%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/braillemasterjustin%40gmail.com From ljmaher03 at outlook.com Tue Sep 18 19:47:03 2018 From: ljmaher03 at outlook.com (Louis Maher) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 19:47:03 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Environmental Science and Foreign Language Courses In-Reply-To: <65700b74-b90c-49bf-726f-afa27942151d@gmail.com> References: <65700b74-b90c-49bf-726f-afa27942151d@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello, You could talk to the Hadley School For The Blind (https://www.hadley.edu/), and ask them to show you the Spanish braille alphabet. It is almost the same as the English braille alphabet with only a couple of changes. Regards Louis Maher Phone: 713-444-7838 E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Justin Heard via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 1:32 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: Justin Heard Subject: [NABS-L] Environmental Science and Foreign Language Courses Hi everyone! I have two important questions. Next Spring, I will take an environmental science course. One of the things the professor mentioned is called a colorimeter. I looked through Independence Science, and did not see anything that went with LabQuest, though I'm not a science major so I could have easily missed something. Has anyone used a colorimeter before, and if so, how? For my major, I am required to take two foreign language courses. I am going to take Spanish 1 and 2. How should I handle this? Should I have as much material produced in Spanish braille as possible? I am an efficient braille reader, and my college will do this with ease. Or is there a digital route that I should take? Just so you know, I read all of my textbooks on a braille display because I learn better that way. I'm not sure how well I could switch from English to Spanish braille though. Has anyone tried learning a foreign language this way before? Thanks for taking the time to read this! _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C07ac2f32d8e144405c1d08d61d952b0d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636728923833987192&sdata=iZezrJjLYkAmrvIuReQvmCNcy0IkwZLswMuX47FHDcc%3D&reserved=0 To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org%2Fljmaher03%2540outlook.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C07ac2f32d8e144405c1d08d61d952b0d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636728923833987192&sdata=R4XwhvhIU2XnLWK4RLzD3JJ1Ydm6SS8L7SYXp2tW%2BaU%3D&reserved=0 From sheth.neel.s at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 20:03:51 2018 From: sheth.neel.s at gmail.com (Neel Sheth) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 16:03:51 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] tech for college In-Reply-To: <5ba113ee.1c69fb81.64c89.015a@mx.google.com> References: <5ba113ee.1c69fb81.64c89.015a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7FBEC57F-66A9-4229-8702-A4F2517782C2@gmail.com> Hello Maura, To reiterate earlier messages, I’d also highly recommend a braille note taker. It’s incredibly portable, and easy to use to take comprehensive notes independently without relying on speech output from a screen reader. With regards to a laptop, whether you choose to use mac or windows depends both on your familiarity with each, as well as your major. If you are going to be studying engineering of any sort, then stick to windows. For most other majors, A mac is also a solid choice. Personally, I do prefer using a mac, since voiceover has a very natural feel on the mac when compared to using a separate program as a screen reader. If, however, you do choose to use a mac, I would highly recommend maintaining proficiency in using windows, as windows is more widely used in professional settings. When in college, you should also cinsider getting a printer, since I have had many professors who want both an electronic and hard copy submission for assignments. Neel Sheth: Clemson University Phone: 803-420-2354 sheth.neel.s at gmail.com > On Sep 18, 2018, at 11:03 AM, Maura Loberg via NABS-L wrote: > > I am going to be entering blindness skills training and college in the near future. This year, I am working on writing letters to purchase certain pieces of tech. My question is, what technology did you find super useful in training and/or college? Computers? Notetaking devices? Braille displays? Screenreaders? Apps? I'm open to all ideas. I'm totally blind so magnifiers are out of the question. > Thanks! > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sheth.neel.s%40gmail.com From ljmaher03 at outlook.com Tue Sep 18 20:37:04 2018 From: ljmaher03 at outlook.com (Louis Maher) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 20:37:04 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] tech for college In-Reply-To: <7FBEC57F-66A9-4229-8702-A4F2517782C2@gmail.com> References: <5ba113ee.1c69fb81.64c89.015a@mx.google.com> <7FBEC57F-66A9-4229-8702-A4F2517782C2@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello, When considering a note taker, consider the Orbit 20 (https://www.aph.org/orbit-reader-20/), whose $500 price is about one tenth the cost of other note takers. Regards Louis Maher Phone: 713-444-7838 E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Neel Sheth via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:04 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Neel Sheth Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college Hello Maura, To reiterate earlier messages, I’d also highly recommend a braille note taker. It’s incredibly portable, and easy to use to take comprehensive notes independently without relying on speech output from a screen reader. With regards to a laptop, whether you choose to use mac or windows depends both on your familiarity with each, as well as your major. If you are going to be studying engineering of any sort, then stick to windows. For most other majors, A mac is also a solid choice. Personally, I do prefer using a mac, since voiceover has a very natural feel on the mac when compared to using a separate program as a screen reader. If, however, you do choose to use a mac, I would highly recommend maintaining proficiency in using windows, as windows is more widely used in professional settings. When in college, you should also cinsider getting a printer, since I have had many professors who want both an electronic and hard copy submission for assignments. Neel Sheth: Clemson University Phone: 803-420-2354 sheth.neel.s at gmail.com > On Sep 18, 2018, at 11:03 AM, Maura Loberg via NABS-L wrote: > > I am going to be entering blindness skills training and college in the near future. This year, I am working on writing letters to purchase certain pieces of tech. My question is, what technology did you find super useful in training and/or college? Computers? Notetaking devices? Braille displays? Screenreaders? Apps? I'm open to all ideas. I'm totally blind so magnifiers are out of the question. > Thanks! > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5f7b7fbd466a4d7635e208d61da201b2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636728978988481041&sdata=MyUIVduTTle3jrHfYVs6W1LHL1LuXRmjP9LrdOz6mVE%3D&reserved=0 > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org%2Fsheth.neel.s%2540gmail.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5f7b7fbd466a4d7635e208d61da201b2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636728978988637294&sdata=7%2FfN4Ab3tXGzU3SBwxkDyT%2FNAyIIydofoCz0UvKAa58%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5f7b7fbd466a4d7635e208d61da201b2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636728978988637294&sdata=RgQ65aGAuMy67JHMRnTGizWh%2FtzfOYpgAjyfyApqPbU%3D&reserved=0 To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org%2Fljmaher03%2540outlook.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5f7b7fbd466a4d7635e208d61da201b2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636728978988637294&sdata=ZmLyIdOj%2FEQEnCuHZJ4nrI2ZFlRJHT2HiNZmtFRSnb0%3D&reserved=0 From redwing731 at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 20:42:04 2018 From: redwing731 at gmail.com (Kendra Schaber) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 20:42:04 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] tech for college In-Reply-To: <7FBEC57F-66A9-4229-8702-A4F2517782C2@gmail.com> References: <5ba113ee.1c69fb81.64c89.015a@mx.google.com>, <7FBEC57F-66A9-4229-8702-A4F2517782C2@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all! I’m also getting ready for college. I’m also going through learning about the latest and greatest apps out there for college. I don’t think all states have this but in Oregon, you can take classes at the local Commission for the Blind. I’m taking a tech class there so as tthe result, I’m getting to learn about the latest requirements for a blind science student because I’m going into that field. I agree with all the information regarding the computer and a braille note taker. But I have more to add here. When you do get a P.C. Computer if that’s the one you want, you’ll need to know all of the latest platforms because the latest thing for college is to be able to use Black Board, the Microsoft office sweet and the Google office sweet. You have to be able to work with shared documents, be able to create spread sheets and put some of your work on to the internet. Because of this, the Google office sweet is a must in college. Depending on what your degree is going to be, also depends on how advanced you need your tech. For example, if you are getting a degree in writing or simular fields, I think that you might be able to get away with working with a Mack computer but you’ll need Office Word or Google Dox because they are both best for editing documents to my knowedge. If you are going into any science field of any form, you can’t get away with a Mack computer. Darn it!!! You have to work with the most advanced and most accessable technology that you can get your hands on. For this, you would need a PC computer equipt with the best office sweet programs, all of the top known internet brousers, all of the Microsoft Office sweet, all of the Google office sweet, Doxberry, all of the big programs that blind people use for being able to read as widely diverse documents as possable, the widely apps that you can get for accessability to your textbooks a braille note taker for all of the math that’s required, particularly the Polarious Braille Sense and you can’t forget the things like either a printer or access to a printer just in case your teachers ask for printed metereals. When I started going into the tech part of my college preparation, I found out right away that I couldn’t have a Mac computer because the software is not accessable at the levels that are required for the sciences. Because of this, I have spent all spring, summer, fall and possably, this coming winter learning all about how to use these tules on a Pc computer. My old one is so old that most of the latest versions of the programs are not compadible on it. I have a computer with Windows XP installed on it and the old JAWS 9.0. So, it’s truely a dinosaur for a computer. I can’t use that in college at all! I wanted to convert to a Mack because I’m already half there with my iphone but unfortunently, no such luck for me. I have to be just iphone loyal instead because the computer that I have to work with and will most likely get from the Commission for the Blind in Oregon will be a PC computer. On top of that, I also have to get a braille note taker myself for advanced math and the best access to my textbooks, I also have to go with the Polarous Braille Sense which itself runs on the Android platform but is compadible with the PC and IOS platforms. I have to be just as diverse with my tech platforms as I do in working with the diverse groups of people that are in my growing network. You might have to be just diverse in your own degree. Bare that in mind as you get ready for college yourself. Thank you for taking the time to read this Email! Blessed be!!! Kendra Schaber Chemeketa Community College, 350 Org, Citizen’s Climate Lobby, National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter, Salem, Oregon. Home Email: Redwing731 at gmail.com Chemeketa Community College Email: Kschaber at my.Chemeketa.edu Phone: 971-599-9991 “When the student is ready, the teacher will appear”, Author unknown. Sent from my iPhone SE. Sent from my Gmail Email Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: 20014106300n behalf of Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 13:05 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Neel Sheth Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college Hello Maura, To reiterate earlier messages, I’d also highly recommend a braille note taker. It’s incredibly portable, and easy to use to take comprehensive notes independently without relying on speech output from a screen reader. With regards to a laptop, whether you choose to use mac or windows depends both on your familiarity with each, as well as your major. If you are going to be studying engineering of any sort, then stick to windows. For most other majors, A mac is also a solid choice. Personally, I do prefer using a mac, since voiceover has a very natural feel on the mac when compared to using a separate program as a screen reader. If, however, you do choose to use a mac, I would highly recommend maintaining proficiency in using windows, as windows is more widely used in professional settings. When in college, you should also cinsider getting a printer, since I have had many professors who want both an electronic and hard copy submission for assignments. Neel Sheth: Clemson University Phone: 803-420-2354 sheth.neel.s at gmail.com > On Sep 18, 2018, at 11:03 AM, Maura Loberg via NABS-L wrote: > > I am going to be entering blindness skills training and college in the near future. This year, I am working on writing letters to purchase certain pieces of tech. My question is, what technology did you find super useful in training and/or college? Computers? Notetaking devices? Braille displays? Screenreaders? Apps? I'm open to all ideas. I'm totally blind so magnifiers are out of the question. > Thanks! > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sheth.neel.s%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/redwing731%40gmail.com From redwing731 at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 20:44:52 2018 From: redwing731 at gmail.com (Kendra Schaber) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 20:44:52 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] tech for college In-Reply-To: References: <5ba113ee.1c69fb81.64c89.015a@mx.google.com> <7FBEC57F-66A9-4229-8702-A4F2517782C2@gmail.com>, Message-ID: Hi all! As awesome as that sounds, you have to concider what you need out of your braille note taker. You might get the wrong one if you stick with the cheapest one out there on the market. Bare that in mind. Are you planning on taking advanced math? If so, that smaller note taker might not be the right note taker for you. Thank you for taking the time to read this Email! Blessed be!!! Kendra Schaber Chemeketa Community College, 350 Org, Citizen’s Climate Lobby, National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter, Salem, Oregon. Home Email: Redwing731 at gmail.com Chemeketa Community College Email: Kschaber at my.Chemeketa.edu Phone: 971-599-9991 “When the student is ready, the teacher will appear”, Author unknown. Sent from my iPhone SE. Sent from my Gmail Email Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: NABS-L on behalf of Louis Maher via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 1:37:04 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Louis Maher Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college Hello, When considering a note taker, consider the Orbit 20 (https://www.aph.org/orbit-reader-20/), whose $500 price is about one tenth the cost of other note takers. Regards Louis Maher Phone: 713-444-7838 E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Neel Sheth via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:04 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Neel Sheth Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college Hello Maura, To reiterate earlier messages, I’d also highly recommend a braille note taker. It’s incredibly portable, and easy to use to take comprehensive notes independently without relying on speech output from a screen reader. With regards to a laptop, whether you choose to use mac or windows depends both on your familiarity with each, as well as your major. If you are going to be studying engineering of any sort, then stick to windows. For most other majors, A mac is also a solid choice. Personally, I do prefer using a mac, since voiceover has a very natural feel on the mac when compared to using a separate program as a screen reader. If, however, you do choose to use a mac, I would highly recommend maintaining proficiency in using windows, as windows is more widely used in professional settings. When in college, you should also cinsider getting a printer, since I have had many professors who want both an electronic and hard copy submission for assignments. Neel Sheth: Clemson University Phone: 803-420-2354 sheth.neel.s at gmail.com > On Sep 18, 2018, at 11:03 AM, Maura Loberg via NABS-L wrote: > > I am going to be entering blindness skills training and college in the near future. This year, I am working on writing letters to purchase certain pieces of tech. My question is, what technology did you find super useful in training and/or college? Computers? Notetaking devices? Braille displays? Screenreaders? Apps? I'm open to all ideas. I'm totally blind so magnifiers are out of the question. > Thanks! > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5f7b7fbd466a4d7635e208d61da201b2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636728978988481041&sdata=MyUIVduTTle3jrHfYVs6W1LHL1LuXRmjP9LrdOz6mVE%3D&reserved=0 > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org%2Fsheth.neel.s%2540gmail.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5f7b7fbd466a4d7635e208d61da201b2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636728978988637294&sdata=7%2FfN4Ab3tXGzU3SBwxkDyT%2FNAyIIydofoCz0UvKAa58%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5f7b7fbd466a4d7635e208d61da201b2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636728978988637294&sdata=RgQ65aGAuMy67JHMRnTGizWh%2FtzfOYpgAjyfyApqPbU%3D&reserved=0 To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org%2Fljmaher03%2540outlook.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5f7b7fbd466a4d7635e208d61da201b2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636728978988637294&sdata=ZmLyIdOj%2FEQEnCuHZJ4nrI2ZFlRJHT2HiNZmtFRSnb0%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/redwing731%40gmail.com From ljmaher03 at outlook.com Tue Sep 18 20:54:53 2018 From: ljmaher03 at outlook.com (Louis Maher) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 20:54:53 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] tech for college In-Reply-To: References: <5ba113ee.1c69fb81.64c89.015a@mx.google.com> <7FBEC57F-66A9-4229-8702-A4F2517782C2@gmail.com>, Message-ID: Hello, The Orbit 20 allows you to enter any 6 dot or 8 dot character you like. For this reason, you can enter any type of Braille required. Regards Louis Maher Phone: 713-444-7838 E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com From: Kendra Schaber Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:45 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Louis Maher Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college Hi all! As awesome as that sounds, you have to concider what you need out of your braille note taker. You might get the wrong one if you stick with the cheapest one out there on the market. Bare that in mind. Are you planning on taking advanced math? If so, that smaller note taker might not be the right note taker for you. Thank you for taking the time to read this Email! Blessed be!!! Kendra Schaber Chemeketa Community College, 350 Org, Citizen's Climate Lobby, National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter, Salem, Oregon. Home Email: Redwing731 at gmail.com Chemeketa Community College Email: Kschaber at my.Chemeketa.edu Phone: 971-599-9991 "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author unknown. Sent from my iPhone SE. Sent from my Gmail Email Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: NABS-L > on behalf of Louis Maher via NABS-L > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 1:37:04 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Louis Maher Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college Hello, When considering a note taker, consider the Orbit 20 (https://www.aph.org/orbit-reader-20/), whose $500 price is about one tenth the cost of other note takers. Regards Louis Maher Phone: 713-444-7838 E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L > On Behalf Of Neel Sheth via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:04 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Neel Sheth > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college Hello Maura, To reiterate earlier messages, I'd also highly recommend a braille note taker. It's incredibly portable, and easy to use to take comprehensive notes independently without relying on speech output from a screen reader. With regards to a laptop, whether you choose to use mac or windows depends both on your familiarity with each, as well as your major. If you are going to be studying engineering of any sort, then stick to windows. For most other majors, A mac is also a solid choice. Personally, I do prefer using a mac, since voiceover has a very natural feel on the mac when compared to using a separate program as a screen reader. If, however, you do choose to use a mac, I would highly recommend maintaining proficiency in using windows, as windows is more widely used in professional settings. When in college, you should also cinsider getting a printer, since I have had many professors who want both an electronic and hard copy submission for assignments. Neel Sheth: Clemson University Phone: 803-420-2354 sheth.neel.s at gmail.com > On Sep 18, 2018, at 11:03 AM, Maura Loberg via NABS-L > wrote: > > I am going to be entering blindness skills training and college in the near future. This year, I am working on writing letters to purchase certain pieces of tech. My question is, what technology did you find super useful in training and/or college? Computers? Notetaking devices? Braille displays? Screenreaders? Apps? I'm open to all ideas. I'm totally blind so magnifiers are out of the question. > Thanks! > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5f7b7fbd466a4d7635e208d61da201b2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636728978988481041&sdata=MyUIVduTTle3jrHfYVs6W1LHL1LuXRmjP9LrdOz6mVE%3D&reserved=0 > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org%2Fsheth.neel.s%2540gmail.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5f7b7fbd466a4d7635e208d61da201b2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636728978988637294&sdata=7%2FfN4Ab3tXGzU3SBwxkDyT%2FNAyIIydofoCz0UvKAa58%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5f7b7fbd466a4d7635e208d61da201b2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636728978988637294&sdata=RgQ65aGAuMy67JHMRnTGizWh%2FtzfOYpgAjyfyApqPbU%3D&reserved=0 To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org%2Fljmaher03%2540outlook.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5f7b7fbd466a4d7635e208d61da201b2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636728978988637294&sdata=ZmLyIdOj%2FEQEnCuHZJ4nrI2ZFlRJHT2HiNZmtFRSnb0%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/redwing731%40gmail.com From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 21:14:11 2018 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (sophie trist) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 16:14:11 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] tech for college Message-ID: <5ba16ab0.1c69fb81.2f25b.db93@mx.google.com> As far as braille displays go, it's just a matter of preference. If economy is your main concern, the Orbit 20 is a great option. However, as an English major, I read a TON of books. Having a 20-cell braille display would drive me up the wall. But it's all about what you're looking for. What works for me might not work for you. Soph On Sep 18, 2018 3:54 PM, Louis Maher via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello, > > The Orbit 20 allows you to enter any 6 dot or 8 dot character you like.  For this reason, you can enter any type of Braille required. > > > Regards > Louis Maher > Phone: 713-444-7838 > E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com > > From: Kendra Schaber > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:45 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Louis Maher > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college > > Hi all! > As awesome as that sounds, you have to concider what you need out of your braille note taker. You might get the wrong one if you stick with the cheapest one out there on the market. Bare that in mind. Are you planning on taking advanced math? If so, that smaller note taker might not be the right note taker for you. > > > Thank you for taking the time to read this Email! > Blessed be!!! > Kendra Schaber > Chemeketa Community College, > 350 Org, > Citizen's Climate Lobby, > National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, > Capitol Chapter, > Salem, Oregon. > Home Email: > Redwing731 at gmail.com > Chemeketa Community College Email: > Kschaber at my.Chemeketa.edu > Phone: > 971-599-9991 > "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author unknown. > Sent from my iPhone SE. > Sent from my Gmail Email > Get Outlook for iOS > ________________________________ > From: NABS-L > on behalf of Louis Maher via NABS-L > > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 1:37:04 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Louis Maher > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college > > Hello, > > When considering a note taker, consider the Orbit 20 (https://www.aph.org/orbit-reader-20/), whose $500 price is about one tenth the cost of other note takers. > > > Regards > Louis Maher > Phone: 713-444-7838 > E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L > On Behalf Of Neel Sheth via NABS-L > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:04 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: Neel Sheth > > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college > > Hello Maura, > To reiterate earlier messages, I'd also highly recommend a braille note taker. It's incredibly portable, and easy to use to take comprehensive notes independently without relying on speech output from a screen reader. With regards to a laptop, whether you choose to use mac or windows depends both on your familiarity with each, as well as your major. If you are going to be studying engineering of any sort, then stick to windows. For most other majors, A mac is also a solid choice. Personally, I do prefer using a mac, since voiceover has a very natural feel on the mac when compared to using a separate program as a screen reader. If, however, you do choose to use a mac, I would highly recommend maintaining proficiency in using windows, as windows is more widely used in professional settings. When in college, you should also cinsider getting a printer, since I have had many professors who want both an electronic and hard copy submission for assignments. > > Neel Sheth: Clemson University > Phone: 803-420-2354 > sheth.neel.s at gmail.com > > > > > On Sep 18, 2018, at 11:03 AM, Maura Loberg via NABS-L > wrote: > > > > I am going to be entering blindness skills training and college in the near future. This year, I am working on writing letters to purchase certain pieces of tech. My question is, what technology did you find super useful in training and/or college? Computers? Notetaking devices? Braille displays? Screenreaders? Apps? I'm open to all ideas. I'm totally blind so magnifiers are out of the question. > > Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5f7b7fbd466a4d7635e208d61da201b2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636728978988481041&sdata=MyUIVduTTle3jrHfYVs6W1LHL1LuXRmjP9LrdOz6mVE%3D&reserved=0 > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org%2Fsheth.neel.s%2540gmail.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5f7b7fbd466a4d7635e208d61da201b2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636728978988637294&sdata=7%2FfN4Ab3tXGzU3SBwxkDyT%2FNAyIIydofoCz0UvKAa58%3D&reserved=0 > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5f7b7fbd466a4d7635e208d61da201b2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636728978988637294&sdata=RgQ65aGAuMy67JHMRnTGizWh%2FtzfOYpgAjyfyApqPbU%3D&reserved=0 > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org%2Fljmaher03%2540outlook.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5f7b7fbd466a4d7635e208d61da201b2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636728978988637294&sdata=ZmLyIdOj%2FEQEnCuHZJ4nrI2ZFlRJHT2HiNZmtFRSnb0%3D&reserved=0 > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/redwing731%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareader%40gmail.com From santiago.blue.hernandez at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 22:07:30 2018 From: santiago.blue.hernandez at gmail.com (Santiago H) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 15:07:30 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] tech for college In-Reply-To: <5ba16ab0.1c69fb81.2f25b.db93@mx.google.com> References: <5ba16ab0.1c69fb81.2f25b.db93@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <78252326-7ECB-4CDC-A3B3-D773E140DB8F@gmail.com> Getting a BrailleNote Touch or an Orbit which can be paired to a computer or an iPad are both great options, one being more expensive than the other of course. Unfortunately, the BrailleNote Touch runs a version of Android from 2013, and given the fast pace in technology, I'm honestly not sure how well it will work in the long term with apps such as Google Docs, Sheets, and Slides which are widely used today. At the very least, getting a computer, a braille display, and some form of scanning software such as KNFB Reader are a must though. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 18, 2018, at 2:14 PM, sophie trist via NABS-L wrote: > > As far as braille displays go, it's just a matter of preference. If economy is your main concern, the Orbit 20 is a great option. However, as an English major, I read a TON of books. Having a 20-cell braille display would drive me up the wall. But it's all about what you're looking for. What works for me might not work for you. > > Soph > >> On Sep 18, 2018 3:54 PM, Louis Maher via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> The Orbit 20 allows you to enter any 6 dot or 8 dot character you like. For this reason, you can enter any type of Braille required. >> >> >> Regards >> Louis Maher >> Phone: 713-444-7838 >> E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com >> >> From: Kendra Schaber >> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:45 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: Louis Maher >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college >> >> Hi all! >> As awesome as that sounds, you have to concider what you need out of your braille note taker. You might get the wrong one if you stick with the cheapest one out there on the market. Bare that in mind. Are you planning on taking advanced math? If so, that smaller note taker might not be the right note taker for you. >> >> >> Thank you for taking the time to read this Email! >> Blessed be!!! >> Kendra Schaber >> Chemeketa Community College, >> 350 Org, >> Citizen's Climate Lobby, >> National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, >> Capitol Chapter, >> Salem, Oregon. >> Home Email: >> Redwing731 at gmail.com >> Chemeketa Community College Email: >> Kschaber at my.Chemeketa.edu >> Phone: >> 971-599-9991 >> "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author unknown. >> Sent from my iPhone SE. >> Sent from my Gmail Email >> Get Outlook for iOS >> ________________________________ >> From: NABS-L > on behalf of Louis Maher via NABS-L > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 1:37:04 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: Louis Maher >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college >> >> Hello, >> >> When considering a note taker, consider the Orbit 20 (https://www.aph.org/orbit-reader-20/), whose $500 price is about one tenth the cost of other note takers. >> >> >> Regards >> Louis Maher >> Phone: 713-444-7838 >> E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L > On Behalf Of Neel Sheth via NABS-L >> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:04 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >> Cc: Neel Sheth > >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college >> >> Hello Maura, >> To reiterate earlier messages, I'd also highly recommend a braille note taker. It's incredibly portable, and easy to use to take comprehensive notes independently without relying on speech output from a screen reader. With regards to a laptop, whether you choose to use mac or windows depends both on your familiarity with each, as well as your major. If you are going to be studying engineering of any sort, then stick to windows. For most other majors, A mac is also a solid choice. Personally, I do prefer using a mac, since voiceover has a very natural feel on the mac when compared to using a separate program as a screen reader. If, however, you do choose to use a mac, I would highly recommend maintaining proficiency in using windows, as windows is more widely used in professional settings. When in college, you should also cinsider getting a printer, since I have had many professors who want both an electronic and hard copy submission for assignments. >> >> Neel Sheth: Clemson University >> Phone: 803-420-2354 >> sheth.neel.s at gmail.com >> >> >> >>> On Sep 18, 2018, at 11:03 AM, Maura Loberg via NABS-L > wrote: >>> >>> I am going to be entering blindness skills training and college in the near future. This year, I am working on writing letters to purchase certain pieces of tech. My question is, what technology did you find super useful in training and/or college? Computers? Notetaking devices? Braille displays? Screenreaders? Apps? I'm open to all ideas. I'm totally blind so magnifiers are out of the question. >>> Thanks! >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5f7b7fbd466a4d7635e208d61da201b2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636728978988481041&sdata=MyUIVduTTle3jrHfYVs6W1LHL1LuXRmjP9LrdOz6mVE%3D&reserved=0 >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org%2Fsheth.neel.s%2540gmail.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5f7b7fbd466a4d7635e208d61da201b2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636728978988637294&sdata=7%2FfN4Ab3tXGzU3SBwxkDyT%2FNAyIIydofoCz0UvKAa58%3D&reserved=0 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5f7b7fbd466a4d7635e208d61da201b2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636728978988637294&sdata=RgQ65aGAuMy67JHMRnTGizWh%2FtzfOYpgAjyfyApqPbU%3D&reserved=0 >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org%2Fljmaher03%2540outlook.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5f7b7fbd466a4d7635e208d61da201b2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636728978988637294&sdata=ZmLyIdOj%2FEQEnCuHZJ4nrI2ZFlRJHT2HiNZmtFRSnb0%3D&reserved=0 >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/redwing731%40gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareader%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/santiago.blue.hernandez%40gmail.com From ljmaher03 at outlook.com Tue Sep 18 22:43:52 2018 From: ljmaher03 at outlook.com (Louis Maher) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 22:43:52 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] tech for college In-Reply-To: <5ba16ab0.1c69fb81.2f25b.db93@mx.google.com> References: <5ba16ab0.1c69fb81.2f25b.db93@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hello, A point about the $500 Orbit 20 is that you can also purchase a 40 or 80 cell Braille display in addition to our Orbit. The Orbit would serve as a portable note taker. Regards Louis Maher Phone: 713-444-7838 E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of sophie trist via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 4:14 PM To: Louis Maher via NABS-L Cc: sophie trist Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college As far as braille displays go, it's just a matter of preference. If economy is your main concern, the Orbit 20 is a great option. However, as an English major, I read a TON of books. Having a 20-cell braille display would drive me up the wall. But it's all about what you're looking for. What works for me might not work for you. Soph On Sep 18, 2018 3:54 PM, Louis Maher via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello, > > The Orbit 20 allows you to enter any 6 dot or 8 dot character you like.  For this reason, you can enter any type of Braille required. > > > Regards > Louis Maher > Phone: 713-444-7838 > E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com > > From: Kendra Schaber > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:45 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: Louis Maher > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college > > Hi all! > As awesome as that sounds, you have to concider what you need out of your braille note taker. You might get the wrong one if you stick with the cheapest one out there on the market. Bare that in mind. Are you planning on taking advanced math? If so, that smaller note taker might not be the right note taker for you. > > > Thank you for taking the time to read this Email! > Blessed be!!! > Kendra Schaber > Chemeketa Community College, > 350 Org, > Citizen's Climate Lobby, > National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter, Salem, > Oregon. > Home Email: > Redwing731 at gmail.com > Chemeketa Community College Email: > Kschaber at my.Chemeketa.edu > Phone: > 971-599-9991 > "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author unknown. > Sent from my iPhone SE. > Sent from my Gmail Email > Get > Outlook F%2Faka.ms%2Fqtex0l&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cd900fcd7856543a0fedf08d61da7c528 > %7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636729003733357986&sdata > =GxHuLkKfL55FDV%2FAGOCxsV6665kdJfePUGIYff7BQVk%3D&reserved=0> for iOS > ________________________________ > From: NABS-L > > on > behalf of Louis Maher via NABS-L > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 1:37:04 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Louis Maher > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college > > Hello, > > When considering a note taker, consider the Orbit 20 (https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aph.org%2Forbit-reader-20%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C554eb1ebde24498752a408d61dabe00a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636729021360042109&sdata=giCFcEELMPYx27HT3B2fKrrvloJvCmoJp5BoMO3VXUw%3D&reserved=0), whose $500 price is about one tenth the cost of other note takers. > > > Regards > Louis Maher > Phone: 713-444-7838 > E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L > > On > Behalf Of Neel Sheth via NABS-L > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:04 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > > Cc: Neel Sheth > > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college > > Hello Maura, > To reiterate earlier messages, I'd also highly recommend a braille note taker. It's incredibly portable, and easy to use to take comprehensive notes independently without relying on speech output from a screen reader. With regards to a laptop, whether you choose to use mac or windows depends both on your familiarity with each, as well as your major. If you are going to be studying engineering of any sort, then stick to windows. For most other majors, A mac is also a solid choice. Personally, I do prefer using a mac, since voiceover has a very natural feel on the mac when compared to using a separate program as a screen reader. If, however, you do choose to use a mac, I would highly recommend maintaining proficiency in using windows, as windows is more widely used in professional settings. When in college, you should also cinsider getting a printer, since I have had many professors who want both an electronic and hard copy submission for assignments. > > Neel Sheth: Clemson University > Phone: 803-420-2354 > sheth.neel.s at gmail.com > > > > > On Sep 18, 2018, at 11:03 AM, Maura Loberg via NABS-L > wrote: > > > > I am going to be entering blindness skills training and college in the near future. This year, I am working on writing letters to purchase certain pieces of tech. My question is, what technology did you find super useful in training and/or college? Computers? Notetaking devices? Braille displays? Screenreaders? Apps? I'm open to all ideas. 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[NABS-L] Trouble with BrailleSense Polaris Message-ID: Hi, Has anyone on the listserve experienced a problem with BrailleSense Polaris where the braille display shows HIMS and does not boot? I recently got the unit - about 10 days ago - and it has been great, except since last night, it is stuck on HIMS. I have tried taking out my battery and putting it back in but was not able to resolve the issue. If you have any suggestion, I'd like to know. Thanks in advance. Miso Sent from my iPhone From redwing731 at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 23:31:01 2018 From: redwing731 at gmail.com (Kendra Schaber) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 23:31:01 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Trouble with BrailleSense Polaris In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all! You might want to try calling Iree who gives free tech support to new users. I’m still in the prosess of getting one through the Oregon Commission for the Blind so I haven’t recieved mine yet. Thank you for taking the time to read this Email! Blessed be!!! Kendra Schaber Chemeketa Community College, 350 Org, Citizen’s Climate Lobby, National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter, Salem, Oregon. Home Email: Redwing731 at gmail.com Chemeketa Community College Email: Kschaber at my.Chemeketa.edu Phone: 971-599-9991 “When the student is ready, the teacher will appear”, Author unknown. Sent from my iPhone SE. Sent from my Gmail Email Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: NABS-L on behalf of Miso Kwak via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 4:26:08 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: Miso Kwak Subject: [NABS-L] Trouble with BrailleSense Polaris Hi, Has anyone on the listserve experienced a problem with BrailleSense Polaris where the braille display shows HIMS and does not boot? I recently got the unit - about 10 days ago - and it has been great, except since last night, it is stuck on HIMS. I have tried taking out my battery and putting it back in but was not able to resolve the issue. If you have any suggestion, I'd like to know. Thanks in advance. Miso Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/redwing731%40gmail.com From a.vias at outlook.com Tue Sep 18 23:49:20 2018 From: a.vias at outlook.com (Armando Vias) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 23:49:20 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Trouble with BrailleSense Polaris In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey! Have you tried resetting the system? Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 18, 2018, at 7:27 PM, Miso Kwak via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi, > Has anyone on the listserve experienced a problem with BrailleSense Polaris where the braille display shows HIMS and does not boot? > I recently got the unit - about 10 days ago - and it has been great, except since last night, it is stuck on HIMS. > I have tried taking out my battery and putting it back in but was not able to resolve the issue. > If you have any suggestion, I'd like to know. > Thanks in advance. > Miso > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5042ffeb414444e45bdc08d61dbe40f8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636729100295324136&sdata=5dcItfAca52NxB4sKAQKHY2jnRTG9njoPnioRCqa73c%3D&reserved=0 > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org%2Fa.vias%2540outlook.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5042ffeb414444e45bdc08d61dbe40f8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636729100295324136&sdata=xHYz%2BSQlmog5Yiy8V9cj6OG6h%2B1i6aDMyrzFw6Iuiec%3D&reserved=0 From misokwak12 at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 00:33:42 2018 From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 20:33:42 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Trouble with BrailleSense Polaris In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <945A550F-4BF0-436C-81F3-2899E533C878@gmail.com> Yes - reset as in pressing f2, f3 and dots 1 2 3 4 5 6. That didn't work. I think techniclly taking out the battery then inserting it again should reset the device. Is there any other reset I can try? Miso Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 18, 2018, at 7:49 PM, Armando Vias via NABS-L wrote: > > Hey! > Have you tried resetting the system? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 18, 2018, at 7:27 PM, Miso Kwak via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hi, >> Has anyone on the listserve experienced a problem with BrailleSense Polaris where the braille display shows HIMS and does not boot? >> I recently got the unit - about 10 days ago - and it has been great, except since last night, it is stuck on HIMS. >> I have tried taking out my battery and putting it back in but was not able to resolve the issue. >> If you have any suggestion, I'd like to know. >> Thanks in advance. >> Miso >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5042ffeb414444e45bdc08d61dbe40f8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636729100295324136&sdata=5dcItfAca52NxB4sKAQKHY2jnRTG9njoPnioRCqa73c%3D&reserved=0 >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org%2Fa.vias%2540outlook.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5042ffeb414444e45bdc08d61dbe40f8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636729100295324136&sdata=xHYz%2BSQlmog5Yiy8V9cj6OG6h%2B1i6aDMyrzFw6Iuiec%3D&reserved=0 > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/misokwak12%40gmail.com From schoi09 at outlook.com Wed Sep 19 01:12:11 2018 From: schoi09 at outlook.com (Seyoon Choi) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 01:12:11 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Trouble with BrailleSense Polaris In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It’s funny that you are having this issue. I recently got my Polaris as well through state loaner program, it seemed like it was a new unit with box and all, it worked great until now all the sudden after a reboot the Polaris says “Starting brailleSense” and hangs forever. The only way to shut the unit off is by removing the battery. I had issues in the past with the other unit that I got and they’ve sent me another one, but here it is having issue for the second time, which leads to conclusion that there has to be some sort of a serious software problem. I am now ended up with a Polaris that doesn’t exactly belong to me and not booting. Any other resets I could try? I will continue to monitor this thread. Regards Seyoon > On Sep 18, 2018, at 6:26 PM, Miso Kwak via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi, > Has anyone on the listserve experienced a problem with BrailleSense Polaris where the braille display shows HIMS and does not boot? > I recently got the unit - about 10 days ago - and it has been great, except since last night, it is stuck on HIMS. > I have tried taking out my battery and putting it back in but was not able to resolve the issue. > If you have any suggestion, I'd like to know. > Thanks in advance. > Miso > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/schoi09%40outlook.com From redwing731 at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 04:12:46 2018 From: redwing731 at gmail.com (Kendra Schaber) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 04:12:46 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] tech for college In-Reply-To: <78252326-7ECB-4CDC-A3B3-D773E140DB8F@gmail.com> References: <5ba16ab0.1c69fb81.2f25b.db93@mx.google.com>, <78252326-7ECB-4CDC-A3B3-D773E140DB8F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all! I think the Polarous Braille Sense is more up to date as far as I know. But if you are taking a lot of math, you’ll need something like it along with the rest of the tech. Thank you for taking the time to read this Email! Blessed be!!! Kendra Schaber Chemeketa Community College, 350 Org, Citizen’s Climate Lobby, National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter, Salem, Oregon. Home Email: Redwing731 at gmail.com Chemeketa Community College Email: Kschaber at my.Chemeketa.edu Phone: 971-599-9991 “When the student is ready, the teacher will appear”, Author unknown. Sent from my iPhone SE. Sent from my Gmail Email Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: NABS-L on behalf of Santiago H via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:07:30 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Santiago H Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college Getting a BrailleNote Touch or an Orbit which can be paired to a computer or an iPad are both great options, one being more expensive than the other of course. Unfortunately, the BrailleNote Touch runs a version of Android from 2013, and given the fast pace in technology, I'm honestly not sure how well it will work in the long term with apps such as Google Docs, Sheets, and Slides which are widely used today. At the very least, getting a computer, a braille display, and some form of scanning software such as KNFB Reader are a must though. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 18, 2018, at 2:14 PM, sophie trist via NABS-L wrote: > > As far as braille displays go, it's just a matter of preference. If economy is your main concern, the Orbit 20 is a great option. However, as an English major, I read a TON of books. Having a 20-cell braille display would drive me up the wall. But it's all about what you're looking for. What works for me might not work for you. > > Soph > >> On Sep 18, 2018 3:54 PM, Louis Maher via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> The Orbit 20 allows you to enter any 6 dot or 8 dot character you like. For this reason, you can enter any type of Braille required. >> >> >> Regards >> Louis Maher >> Phone: 713-444-7838 >> E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com >> >> From: Kendra Schaber >> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:45 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: Louis Maher >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college >> >> Hi all! >> As awesome as that sounds, you have to concider what you need out of your braille note taker. You might get the wrong one if you stick with the cheapest one out there on the market. Bare that in mind. Are you planning on taking advanced math? If so, that smaller note taker might not be the right note taker for you. >> >> >> Thank you for taking the time to read this Email! >> Blessed be!!! >> Kendra Schaber >> Chemeketa Community College, >> 350 Org, >> Citizen's Climate Lobby, >> National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, >> Capitol Chapter, >> Salem, Oregon. >> Home Email: >> Redwing731 at gmail.com >> Chemeketa Community College Email: >> Kschaber at my.Chemeketa.edu >> Phone: >> 971-599-9991 >> "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author unknown. >> Sent from my iPhone SE. >> Sent from my Gmail Email >> Get Outlook for iOS >> ________________________________ >> From: NABS-L > on behalf of Louis Maher via NABS-L > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 1:37:04 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: Louis Maher >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college >> >> Hello, >> >> When considering a note taker, consider the Orbit 20 (https://www.aph.org/orbit-reader-20/), whose $500 price is about one tenth the cost of other note takers. >> >> >> Regards >> Louis Maher >> Phone: 713-444-7838 >> E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L > On Behalf Of Neel Sheth via NABS-L >> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:04 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >> Cc: Neel Sheth > >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college >> >> Hello Maura, >> To reiterate earlier messages, I'd also highly recommend a braille note taker. It's incredibly portable, and easy to use to take comprehensive notes independently without relying on speech output from a screen reader. With regards to a laptop, whether you choose to use mac or windows depends both on your familiarity with each, as well as your major. If you are going to be studying engineering of any sort, then stick to windows. For most other majors, A mac is also a solid choice. Personally, I do prefer using a mac, since voiceover has a very natural feel on the mac when compared to using a separate program as a screen reader. If, however, you do choose to use a mac, I would highly recommend maintaining proficiency in using windows, as windows is more widely used in professional settings. When in college, you should also cinsider getting a printer, since I have had many professors who want both an electronic and hard copy submission for assignments. >> >> Neel Sheth: Clemson University >> Phone: 803-420-2354 >> sheth.neel.s at gmail.com >> >> >> >>> On Sep 18, 2018, at 11:03 AM, Maura Loberg via NABS-L > wrote: >>> >>> I am going to be entering blindness skills training and college in the near future. This year, I am working on writing letters to purchase certain pieces of tech. My question is, what technology did you find super useful in training and/or college? Computers? Notetaking devices? Braille displays? Screenreaders? Apps? I'm open to all ideas. I'm totally blind so magnifiers are out of the question. >>> Thanks! >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5f7b7fbd466a4d7635e208d61da201b2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636728978988481041&sdata=MyUIVduTTle3jrHfYVs6W1LHL1LuXRmjP9LrdOz6mVE%3D&reserved=0 >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org%2Fsheth.neel.s%2540gmail.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5f7b7fbd466a4d7635e208d61da201b2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636728978988637294&sdata=7%2FfN4Ab3tXGzU3SBwxkDyT%2FNAyIIydofoCz0UvKAa58%3D&reserved=0 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5f7b7fbd466a4d7635e208d61da201b2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636728978988637294&sdata=RgQ65aGAuMy67JHMRnTGizWh%2FtzfOYpgAjyfyApqPbU%3D&reserved=0 >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org%2Fljmaher03%2540outlook.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5f7b7fbd466a4d7635e208d61da201b2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636728978988637294&sdata=ZmLyIdOj%2FEQEnCuHZJ4nrI2ZFlRJHT2HiNZmtFRSnb0%3D&reserved=0 >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/redwing731%40gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareader%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/santiago.blue.hernandez%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/redwing731%40gmail.com From theweird1 at mediacombb.net Wed Sep 19 04:33:36 2018 From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 23:33:36 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] tech for college In-Reply-To: 2TsFgfiKzNiTi2TsIgbYXY References: <5ba16ab0.1c69fb81.2f25b.db93@mx.google.com>, <78252326-7ECB-4CDC-A3B3-D773E140DB8F@gmail.com> 2TsFgfiKzNiTi2TsIgbYXY Message-ID: <001001d44fd1$eeebffb0$ccc3ff10$@mediacombb.net> I believe a notetaker is essential. Which one is your preference. Also, a laptop and printer will be well used. If you would use it and can afford it or dcan convince your rehab to purchase it for you, a braille display would be quite handy. But I'm one who believes it should be separate from you notetaker. Another idea might be to pair a braille display with a tablet of some sort. One can do this much cheaper thana a notetaker would set you back. Loren -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Kendra Schaber via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 11:13 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Kendra Schaber Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college Hi all! I think the Polarous Braille Sense is more up to date as far as I know. But if you are taking a lot of math, you'll need something like it along with the rest of the tech. Thank you for taking the time to read this Email! Blessed be!!! Kendra Schaber Chemeketa Community College, 350 Org, Citizen's Climate Lobby, National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter, Salem, Oregon. Home Email: Redwing731 at gmail.com Chemeketa Community College Email: Kschaber at my.Chemeketa.edu Phone: 971-599-9991 "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author unknown. Sent from my iPhone SE. Sent from my Gmail Email Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: NABS-L on behalf of Santiago H via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:07:30 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Santiago H Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college Getting a BrailleNote Touch or an Orbit which can be paired to a computer or an iPad are both great options, one being more expensive than the other of course. Unfortunately, the BrailleNote Touch runs a version of Android from 2013, and given the fast pace in technology, I'm honestly not sure how well it will work in the long term with apps such as Google Docs, Sheets, and Slides which are widely used today. At the very least, getting a computer, a braille display, and some form of scanning software such as KNFB Reader are a must though. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 18, 2018, at 2:14 PM, sophie trist via NABS-L wrote: > > As far as braille displays go, it's just a matter of preference. If economy is your main concern, the Orbit 20 is a great option. However, as an English major, I read a TON of books. Having a 20-cell braille display would drive me up the wall. But it's all about what you're looking for. What works for me might not work for you. > > Soph > >> On Sep 18, 2018 3:54 PM, Louis Maher via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> The Orbit 20 allows you to enter any 6 dot or 8 dot character you like. For this reason, you can enter any type of Braille required. >> >> >> Regards >> Louis Maher >> Phone: 713-444-7838 >> E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com >> >> From: Kendra Schaber >> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:45 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Louis Maher >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college >> >> Hi all! >> As awesome as that sounds, you have to concider what you need out of your braille note taker. You might get the wrong one if you stick with the cheapest one out there on the market. Bare that in mind. Are you planning on taking advanced math? If so, that smaller note taker might not be the right note taker for you. >> >> >> Thank you for taking the time to read this Email! >> Blessed be!!! >> Kendra Schaber >> Chemeketa Community College, >> 350 Org, >> Citizen's Climate Lobby, >> National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter, Salem, >> Oregon. >> Home Email: >> Redwing731 at gmail.com >> Chemeketa Community College Email: >> Kschaber at my.Chemeketa.edu >> Phone: >> 971-599-9991 >> "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author unknown. >> Sent from my iPhone SE. >> Sent from my Gmail Email >> Get >> Outlook> 2F%2Faka.ms%2Fqtex0l&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cd900fcd7856543a0fedf08d61da7c5 >> 28%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636729003733357986&sd >> ata=GxHuLkKfL55FDV%2FAGOCxsV6665kdJfePUGIYff7BQVk%3D&reserved=0> for >> iOS ________________________________ >> From: NABS-L >> > on >> behalf of Louis Maher via NABS-L >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 1:37:04 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: Louis Maher >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college >> >> Hello, >> >> When considering a note taker, consider the Orbit 20 (https://www.aph.org/orbit-reader-20/), whose $500 price is about one tenth the cost of other note takers. >> >> >> Regards >> Louis Maher >> Phone: 713-444-7838 >> E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L >> > On >> Behalf Of Neel Sheth via NABS-L >> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:04 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > >> Cc: Neel Sheth >> > >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college >> >> Hello Maura, >> To reiterate earlier messages, I'd also highly recommend a braille note taker. It's incredibly portable, and easy to use to take comprehensive notes independently without relying on speech output from a screen reader. With regards to a laptop, whether you choose to use mac or windows depends both on your familiarity with each, as well as your major. If you are going to be studying engineering of any sort, then stick to windows. For most other majors, A mac is also a solid choice. Personally, I do prefer using a mac, since voiceover has a very natural feel on the mac when compared to using a separate program as a screen reader. If, however, you do choose to use a mac, I would highly recommend maintaining proficiency in using windows, as windows is more widely used in professional settings. When in college, you should also cinsider getting a printer, since I have had many professors who want both an electronic and hard copy submission for assignments. >> >> Neel Sheth: Clemson University >> Phone: 803-420-2354 >> sheth.neel.s at gmail.com >> >> >> >>> On Sep 18, 2018, at 11:03 AM, Maura Loberg via NABS-L > wrote: >>> >>> I am going to be entering blindness skills training and college in the near future. This year, I am working on writing letters to purchase certain pieces of tech. My question is, what technology did you find super useful in training and/or college? Computers? Notetaking devices? Braille displays? Screenreaders? Apps? I'm open to all ideas. 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Right now it all depends on the grants you can get your hands on. This varies a lot by region, but there are frequently grants that cover tech, especially for colledge. Look into as much as you can, and make sure that you are using those funds to the best advantage. Right now you may be able to get a lot that will launch you into your career past school, especially if there are grants that are assigned each year. Determine what you absolutely need and then what you could use next year etc. For instance, I would recommend the victor stream reader trek. It is a book reader that also has gps, it would be very useful, but you could wait till next year to purchase that, if you need the grant money to purchase a note taker, which you will need immediately. Get something that will last long term, if the grant can cover something then focus on what suits your needs. I would say get a PC with a CD/DVD disc drive, many computers don't but I found a lot of material still handed out on CD's and having an external drive was a pain, but it is personal preference at that point. I would also say get Jaws the lates version, and if you can get the license to include an upgrade or two down the road that would be good. Kurzwell is also a wonderful program. It is the most sophisticated OCR software I have worked with. It's pricy, around 1,000 but again if you can get a grant for this, it is worth it. It made a lot of difference for me when I was able to purchase this in my second year. Someone made a point that you will need to learn a lot of platforms, like blackboard, and moodle. This is true, and I found one thing truly beneficial was that I was able to get funding for training where I could work 1 on 1 with a specialist who was very good at instructing me in how to use jaws on multiple platforms. I was able to get about 40 hours of training in total, and it made a huge difference. I would schedule sessions once a week or two, and then between sessions I would record everything that I found challenging between sessions. Also, make sure you purchase the full suite get the professional MS Office with outlook and everything, this will benefit you long term, and the initial investment is worth it. You will also need a printer, get one with a scanner, but depending on the grant situation you might be able to wait a year, and use the library to print for the first year. I found the librarians were usually pretty good if I handed them a usb key with the assignments that needed printing. Best of luck, Ben From santiago.blue.hernandez at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 15:33:55 2018 From: santiago.blue.hernandez at gmail.com (Santiago H) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 08:33:55 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] tech for college In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <265C560D-611D-4168-B49F-E27AFBC87B3E@gmail.com> Actually, a lot of people don't know this, but Microsoft Office is free for college students, so there is no need to purchase a copy or sign up for another subscription. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 19, 2018, at 7:56 AM, Ben Fulton via NABS-L wrote: > > > I'm glad I'm not the only one who found a PC indispensable for my degree. > > Right now it all depends on the grants you can get your hands on. This varies a lot by region, but there are frequently grants that cover tech, especially for colledge. Look into as much as you can, and make sure that you are using those funds to the best advantage. Right now you may be able to get a lot that will launch you into your career past school, especially if there are grants that are assigned each year. Determine what you absolutely need and then what you could use next year etc. > > For instance, I would recommend the victor stream reader trek. It is a book reader that also has gps, it would be very useful, but you could wait till next year to purchase that, if you need the grant money to purchase a note taker, which you will need immediately. Get something that will last long term, if the grant can cover something then focus on what suits your needs. > > I would say get a PC with a CD/DVD disc drive, many computers don't but I found a lot of material still handed out on CD's and having an external drive was a pain, but it is personal preference at that point. > > I would also say get Jaws the lates version, and if you can get the license to include an upgrade or two down the road that would be good. > > Kurzwell is also a wonderful program. It is the most sophisticated OCR software I have worked with. It's pricy, around 1,000 but again if you can get a grant for this, it is worth it. It made a lot of difference for me when I was able to purchase this in my second year. > > Someone made a point that you will need to learn a lot of platforms, like blackboard, and moodle. This is true, and I found one thing truly beneficial was that I was able to get funding for training where I could work 1 on 1 with a specialist who was very good at instructing me in how to use jaws on multiple platforms. I was able to get about 40 hours of training in total, and it made a huge difference. I would schedule sessions once a week or two, and then between sessions I would record everything that I found challenging between sessions. > > Also, make sure you purchase the full suite get the professional MS Office with outlook and everything, this will benefit you long term, and the initial investment is worth it. > > You will also need a printer, get one with a scanner, but depending on the grant situation you might be able to wait a year, and use the library to print for the first year. I found the librarians were usually pretty good if I handed them a usb key with the assignments that needed printing. > > Best of luck, > Ben > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/santiago.blue.hernandez%40gmail.com From mauraloberg at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 13:13:55 2018 From: mauraloberg at gmail.com (Maura Loberg) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 08:13:55 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] tech for college Message-ID: <5ba2720f.1c69fb81.bac87.d342@mx.google.com> Hello all. I'd like to thank you for your responses. I would like to open the debate more towards specific devices. Since I have to do it this way, I'd like to know the following: JAWS vs. NVDA, BrailleNote Touch vs. BrailleSense Polaris, Orbit Reader 20 vs. Focus 40 vs. Brailliant-BI32 vs. others, KNFBReader vs. Seeing AI and Windows vs. Mac vs. others. What devices have helped you survive higher education? What made you decide on those pieces of tech? Thanks! On Sep 18, 2018 11:33 PM, Loren Wakefield via NABS-L wrote: > > I believe a notetaker is essential.  Which one is your preference.  Also, a > laptop and printer will be well used.  If you would use it and can afford it > or dcan convince your rehab to purchase it for you, a braille display would > be quite handy.  But I'm one who believes it should be separate from you > notetaker.  > > Another idea might be to pair a braille display with a tablet of some sort. > One can do this much cheaper thana a notetaker would set you back.  > > Loren > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Kendra Schaber via > NABS-L > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 11:13 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Kendra Schaber > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college > > Hi all! > I think the Polarous Braille Sense is more up to date as far as I know. But > if you are taking a lot of math, you'll need something like it along with > the rest of the tech. > > > Thank you for taking the time to read this Email! > Blessed be!!! > Kendra Schaber > Chemeketa Community College, > 350 Org, > Citizen's Climate Lobby, > National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter, Salem, Oregon. > Home Email: > Redwing731 at gmail.com > Chemeketa Community College Email: > Kschaber at my.Chemeketa.edu > Phone: > 971-599-9991 > "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author unknown. > Sent from my iPhone SE. > Sent from my Gmail Email > Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ > From: NABS-L on behalf of Santiago H via NABS-L > > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:07:30 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Santiago H > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college > > Getting a BrailleNote Touch or an Orbit which can be paired to a computer or > an iPad are both great options, one being more expensive than the other of > course. Unfortunately, the BrailleNote Touch runs a version of Android from > 2013, and given the fast pace in technology, I'm honestly not sure how well > it will work in the long term with apps such as Google Docs, Sheets, and > Slides which are widely used today. At the very least, getting a computer, a > braille display, and some form of scanning software such as KNFB Reader are > a must though. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 18, 2018, at 2:14 PM, sophie trist via NABS-L > wrote: > > > > As far as braille displays go, it's just a matter of preference. If > economy is your main concern, the Orbit 20 is a great option. However, as an > English major, I read a TON of books. Having a 20-cell braille display would > drive me up the wall. But it's all about what you're looking for. What works > for me might not work for you. > > > > Soph > > > >> On Sep 18, 2018 3:54 PM, Louis Maher via NABS-L > wrote: > >> > >> Hello, > >> > >> The Orbit 20 allows you to enter any 6 dot or 8 dot character you like. > For this reason, you can enter any type of Braille required. > >> > >> > >> Regards > >> Louis Maher > >> Phone: 713-444-7838 > >> E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com > >> > >> From: Kendra Schaber > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:45 PM > >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >> > >> Cc: Louis Maher > >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college > >> > >> Hi all! > >> As awesome as that sounds, you have to concider what you need out of your > braille note taker. You might get the wrong one if you stick with the > cheapest one out there on the market. Bare that in mind. Are you planning on > taking advanced math? If so, that smaller note taker might not be the right > note taker for you. > >> > >> > >> Thank you for taking the time to read this Email! > >> Blessed be!!! > >> Kendra Schaber > >> Chemeketa Community College, > >> 350 Org, > >> Citizen's Climate Lobby, > >> National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter, Salem, > >> Oregon. > >> Home Email: > >> Redwing731 at gmail.com > >> Chemeketa Community College Email: > >> Kschaber at my.Chemeketa.edu > >> Phone: > >> 971-599-9991 > >> "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author unknown. > >> Sent from my iPhone SE. > >> Sent from my Gmail Email > >> Get > >> Outlook >> 2F%2Faka.ms%2Fqtex0l&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cd900fcd7856543a0fedf08d61da7c5 > >> 28%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636729003733357986&sd > >> ata=GxHuLkKfL55FDV%2FAGOCxsV6665kdJfePUGIYff7BQVk%3D&reserved=0> for > >> iOS ________________________________ > >> From: NABS-L > >> > on > >> behalf of Louis Maher via NABS-L > >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 1:37:04 PM > >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >> Cc: Louis Maher > >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college > >> > >> Hello, > >> > >> When considering a note taker, consider the Orbit 20 > (https://www.aph.org/orbit-reader-20/ look.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aph.org%2Forbit-reader-20%2F&data=02%7C01%7C > %7Cd900fcd7856543a0fedf08d61da7c528%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7 > C0%7C636729003733357986&sdata=9Vf7ySq9yvg3HbJM7Bb9VR8jwqFDVR4jELxEUgaBS4Y%3D > &reserved=0>), whose $500 price is about one tenth the cost of other note > takers. > >> > >> > >> Regards > >> Louis Maher > >> Phone: 713-444-7838 > >> E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: NABS-L > >> > On > >> Behalf Of Neel Sheth via NABS-L > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:04 PM > >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >> > > >> Cc: Neel Sheth > >> > > >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college > >> > >> Hello Maura, > >> To reiterate earlier messages, I'd also highly recommend a braille note > taker. It's incredibly portable, and easy to use to take comprehensive notes > independently without relying on speech output from a screen reader. With > regards to a laptop, whether you choose to use mac or windows depends both > on your familiarity with each, as well as your major. If you are going to be > studying engineering of any sort, then stick to windows. For most other > majors, A mac is also a solid choice. Personally, I do prefer using a mac, > since voiceover has a very natural feel on the mac when compared to using a > separate program as a screen reader. If, however, you do choose to use a > mac, I would highly recommend maintaining proficiency in using windows, as > windows is more widely used in professional settings. When in college, you > should also cinsider getting a printer, since I have had many professors who > want both an electronic and hard copy submission for assignments. > >> > >> Neel Sheth: Clemson University > >> Phone: 803-420-2354 > >> sheth.neel.s at gmail.com > >> > >> > >> > >>> On Sep 18, 2018, at 11:03 AM, Maura Loberg via NABS-L > > wrote: > >>> > >>> I am going to be entering blindness skills training and college in the > near future. This year, I am working on writing letters to purchase certain > pieces of tech. My question is, what technology did you find super useful in > training and/or college? Computers? Notetaking devices? Braille displays? > Screenreaders? Apps? I'm open to all ideas. 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Windows is more universal; you're much more likely to work with Windows in a school or workplace. In my opinion, Apple has been lagging behind in accessibility for VoiceOver on the Mac. It's just not keeping up with other screen readers.      Different screen readers behave differently in different situations, so it's a good idea to have more than one. I would heavily recommend investing in JAWS. However, NVDA is free and easy to install, so why not have that one too? I've come across situations where a website works better with NVDA than JAWS and vice versa. If you have both screen readers on your machine, you can flip between them as needed. You should also take note of Narrator, Mierosoft's built-in screen reader. Its new update is making it much more accessible and intuitive. The multitude of screen reader options is another reason I'd go with Windows over Mac. Yeah, you can boot-camp a Mac to run OS and Windows, but that's a PAIN!!!      For KNFB Reader/Seeing AI, it depends on what you plan to use it for. Seeing AI is cheaper and has a lot more versatility. It can read money (multiple currencies), scan bar codes, and work with photos. However, KNFB Reader is still superior in the OCR arena. I have both on my phone.      I've been a BrailleNote user for ten years (lord, just writing that makes me feel old), and I love my BrailleNote Touch. That's what I'm using to type this email. However, I'd recommend playing with both of them if possible, to determine which is the best fit for you. Personaaly, I don't see the point of having both a notetaker and a braille display. Best of luck! Sophie On Sep 19, 2018 8:13 AM, Maura Loberg via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello all. I'd like to thank you for your responses. I would like to open the debate more towards specific devices. Since I have to do it this way, I'd like to know the following: JAWS vs. NVDA, BrailleNote Touch vs. BrailleSense Polaris, Orbit Reader 20 vs. Focus 40 vs. Brailliant-BI32 vs. others, KNFBReader vs. Seeing AI and Windows vs. Mac vs. others. What devices have helped you survive higher education? What made you decide on those pieces of tech? > Thanks! > > On Sep 18, 2018 11:33 PM, Loren Wakefield via NABS-L wrote: > > > > I believe a notetaker is essential.  Which one is your preference.  Also, a > > laptop and printer will be well used.  If you would use it and can afford it > > or dcan convince your rehab to purchase it for you, a braille display would > > be quite handy.  But I'm one who believes it should be separate from you > > notetaker.  > > > > Another idea might be to pair a braille display with a tablet of some sort. > > One can do this much cheaper thana a notetaker would set you back.  > > > > Loren > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Kendra Schaber via > > NABS-L > > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 11:13 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: Kendra Schaber > > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college > > > > Hi all! > > I think the Polarous Braille Sense is more up to date as far as I know. But > > if you are taking a lot of math, you'll need something like it along with > > the rest of the tech. > > > > > > Thank you for taking the time to read this Email! > > Blessed be!!! > > Kendra Schaber > > Chemeketa Community College, > > 350 Org, > > Citizen's Climate Lobby, > > National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter, Salem, Oregon. > > Home Email: > > Redwing731 at gmail.com > > Chemeketa Community College Email: > > Kschaber at my.Chemeketa.edu > > Phone: > > 971-599-9991 > > "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author unknown. > > Sent from my iPhone SE. > > Sent from my Gmail Email > > Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ > > From: NABS-L on behalf of Santiago H via NABS-L > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:07:30 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: Santiago H > > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college > > > > Getting a BrailleNote Touch or an Orbit which can be paired to a computer or > > an iPad are both great options, one being more expensive than the other of > > course. Unfortunately, the BrailleNote Touch runs a version of Android from > > 2013, and given the fast pace in technology, I'm honestly not sure how well > > it will work in the long term with apps such as Google Docs, Sheets, and > > Slides which are widely used today. At the very least, getting a computer, a > > braille display, and some form of scanning software such as KNFB Reader are > > a must though. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Sep 18, 2018, at 2:14 PM, sophie trist via NABS-L > > wrote: > > > > > > As far as braille displays go, it's just a matter of preference. If > > economy is your main concern, the Orbit 20 is a great option. However, as an > > English major, I read a TON of books. Having a 20-cell braille display would > > drive me up the wall. But it's all about what you're looking for. What works > > for me might not work for you. > > > > > > Soph > > > > > >> On Sep 18, 2018 3:54 PM, Louis Maher via NABS-L > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Hello, > > >> > > >> The Orbit 20 allows you to enter any 6 dot or 8 dot character you like. > > For this reason, you can enter any type of Braille required. > > >> > > >> > > >> Regards > > >> Louis Maher > > >> Phone: 713-444-7838 > > >> E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com > > >> > > >> From: Kendra Schaber > > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:45 PM > > >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > >> > > >> Cc: Louis Maher > > >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college > > >> > > >> Hi all! > > >> As awesome as that sounds, you have to concider what you need out of your > > braille note taker. You might get the wrong one if you stick with the > > cheapest one out there on the market. Bare that in mind. Are you planning on > > taking advanced math? If so, that smaller note taker might not be the right > > note taker for you. > > >> > > >> > > >> Thank you for taking the time to read this Email! > > >> Blessed be!!! > > >> Kendra Schaber > > >> Chemeketa Community College, > > >> 350 Org, > > >> Citizen's Climate Lobby, > > >> National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter, Salem, > > >> Oregon. > > >> Home Email: > > >> Redwing731 at gmail.com > > >> Chemeketa Community College Email: > > >> Kschaber at my.Chemeketa.edu > > >> Phone: > > >> 971-599-9991 > > >> "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author unknown. > > >> Sent from my iPhone SE. > > >> Sent from my Gmail Email > > >> Get > > >> Outlook > >> 2F%2Faka.ms%2Fqtex0l&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cd900fcd7856543a0fedf08d61da7c5 > > >> 28%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636729003733357986&sd > > >> ata=GxHuLkKfL55FDV%2FAGOCxsV6665kdJfePUGIYff7BQVk%3D&reserved=0> for > > >> iOS ________________________________ > > >> From: NABS-L > > >> > on > > >> behalf of Louis Maher via NABS-L > > >> > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 1:37:04 PM > > >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > >> Cc: Louis Maher > > >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college > > >> > > >> Hello, > > >> > > >> When considering a note taker, consider the Orbit 20 > > (https://www.aph.org/orbit-reader-20/ > look.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aph.org%2Forbit-reader-20%2F&data=02%7C01%7C > > %7Cd900fcd7856543a0fedf08d61da7c528%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7 > > C0%7C636729003733357986&sdata=9Vf7ySq9yvg3HbJM7Bb9VR8jwqFDVR4jELxEUgaBS4Y%3D > > &reserved=0>), whose $500 price is about one tenth the cost of other note > > takers. > > >> > > >> > > >> Regards > > >> Louis Maher > > >> Phone: 713-444-7838 > > >> E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: NABS-L > > >> > On > > >> Behalf Of Neel Sheth via NABS-L > > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:04 PM > > >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > >> > > > >> Cc: Neel Sheth > > >> > > > >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college > > >> > > >> Hello Maura, > > >> To reiterate earlier messages, I'd also highly recommend a braille note > > taker. It's incredibly portable, and easy to use to take comprehensive notes > > independently without relying on speech output from a screen reader. With > > regards to a laptop, whether you choose to use mac or windows depends both > > on your familiarity with each, as well as your major. If you are going to be > > studying engineering of any sort, then stick to windows. For most other > > majors, A mac is also a solid choice. Personally, I do prefer using a mac, > > since voiceover has a very natural feel on the mac when compared to using a > > separate program as a screen reader. If, however, you do choose to use a > > mac, I would highly recommend maintaining proficiency in using windows, as > > windows is more widely used in professional settings. When in college, you > > should also cinsider getting a printer, since I have had many professors who > > want both an electronic and hard copy submission for assignments. > > >> > > >> Neel Sheth: Clemson University > > >> Phone: 803-420-2354 > > >> sheth.neel.s at gmail.com > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> On Sep 18, 2018, at 11:03 AM, Maura Loberg via NABS-L > > > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> I am going to be entering blindness skills training and college in the > > near future. This year, I am working on writing letters to purchase certain > > pieces of tech. My question is, what technology did you find super useful in > > training and/or college? Computers? Notetaking devices? Braille displays? > > Screenreaders? Apps? I'm open to all ideas. 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(Santiago H) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 09:55:11 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] tech for college In-Reply-To: <5ba279b7.1c69fb81.61b3b.828c@mx.google.com> References: <5ba279b7.1c69fb81.61b3b.828c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <63C26040-5CCB-42BC-964B-E54CC250D498@gmail.com> I personally have a Mac, and use both macOS and Windows. Honestly, Windows is less efficient for me and tends to crash a lot more, so I only use it if I absolutely have to. This is coming from a tech major. macOS tends to be much more responsive, but just like Sophie said, not much has been added to VoiceOver recently. Honestly, I'm not sure what else they could add that would improve the accessibility of apps. At one point a couple of years ago, it wasn't very stable; however, they seem to have fixed most of those bugs by now. Overall, it's best to be familiar with both macOS and Windows. When it comes to JAWS vs NVDA, I agree that having both is probably the best option. NVDA might work better in certain cases than JAWS, and vice versa. For instance, JAWS tends to be more responsive when using Excel, while NVDA tends to work better when browsing the web. As for note takers and braille displays; that's more of a personal preference. The BrailleNote Touch and BrailleSense Polaris both run Android; however, the BrailleNote does have a touch interface, which I would personally prefer over buttons, but that's just me and everyone is different. Alternatively, having a braille display like the Focus or Orbit which you can easily carry around and use with a lot of main stream devices is also a good option. Especially since those main stream devices will most likely have the most up to date software you'll need for school. If you can get a more premium display like the Focus 40 Blue, then you should go with that over the Orbit. While the Orbit is a great low cost display, it lacks routing buttons above each braille cell, making it less efficient for document editing. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 19, 2018, at 9:30 AM, sophie trist via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Maura, > > Windows all the way over Mac, although it's good to be at least passingly familiar with both. Windows is more universal; you're much more likely to work with Windows in a school or workplace. In my opinion, Apple has been lagging behind in accessibility for VoiceOver on the Mac. It's just not keeping up with other screen readers. > Different screen readers behave differently in different situations, so it's a good idea to have more than one. I would heavily recommend investing in JAWS. However, NVDA is free and easy to install, so why not have that one too? I've come across situations where a website works better with NVDA than JAWS and vice versa. If you have both screen readers on your machine, you can flip between them as needed. You should also take note of Narrator, Mierosoft's built-in screen reader. Its new update is making it much more accessible and intuitive. The multitude of screen reader options is another reason I'd go with Windows over Mac. Yeah, you can boot-camp a Mac to run OS and Windows, but that's a PAIN!!! > For KNFB Reader/Seeing AI, it depends on what you plan to use it for. Seeing AI is cheaper and has a lot more versatility. It can read money (multiple currencies), scan bar codes, and work with photos. However, KNFB Reader is still superior in the OCR arena. I have both on my phone. > I've been a BrailleNote user for ten years (lord, just writing that makes me feel old), and I love my BrailleNote Touch. That's what I'm using to type this email. However, I'd recommend playing with both of them if possible, to determine which is the best fit for you. Personaaly, I don't see the point of having both a notetaker and a braille display. Best of luck! > > Sophie > >> On Sep 19, 2018 8:13 AM, Maura Loberg via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hello all. I'd like to thank you for your responses. I would like to open the debate more towards specific devices. Since I have to do it this way, I'd like to know the following: JAWS vs. NVDA, BrailleNote Touch vs. BrailleSense Polaris, Orbit Reader 20 vs. Focus 40 vs. Brailliant-BI32 vs. others, KNFBReader vs. Seeing AI and Windows vs. Mac vs. others. What devices have helped you survive higher education? What made you decide on those pieces of tech? >> Thanks! >> >>> On Sep 18, 2018 11:33 PM, Loren Wakefield via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> I believe a notetaker is essential. Which one is your preference. Also, a >>> laptop and printer will be well used. If you would use it and can afford it >>> or dcan convince your rehab to purchase it for you, a braille display would >>> be quite handy. But I'm one who believes it should be separate from you >>> notetaker. >>> >>> Another idea might be to pair a braille display with a tablet of some sort. >>> One can do this much cheaper thana a notetaker would set you back. >>> >>> Loren >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Kendra Schaber via >>> NABS-L >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 11:13 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Cc: Kendra Schaber >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college >>> >>> Hi all! >>> I think the Polarous Braille Sense is more up to date as far as I know. But >>> if you are taking a lot of math, you'll need something like it along with >>> the rest of the tech. >>> >>> >>> Thank you for taking the time to read this Email! >>> Blessed be!!! >>> Kendra Schaber >>> Chemeketa Community College, >>> 350 Org, >>> Citizen's Climate Lobby, >>> National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter, Salem, Oregon. >>> Home Email: >>> Redwing731 at gmail.com >>> Chemeketa Community College Email: >>> Kschaber at my.Chemeketa.edu >>> Phone: >>> 971-599-9991 >>> "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author unknown. >>> Sent from my iPhone SE. >>> Sent from my Gmail Email >>> Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ >>> From: NABS-L on behalf of Santiago H via NABS-L >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:07:30 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Cc: Santiago H >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college >>> >>> Getting a BrailleNote Touch or an Orbit which can be paired to a computer or >>> an iPad are both great options, one being more expensive than the other of >>> course. Unfortunately, the BrailleNote Touch runs a version of Android from >>> 2013, and given the fast pace in technology, I'm honestly not sure how well >>> it will work in the long term with apps such as Google Docs, Sheets, and >>> Slides which are widely used today. At the very least, getting a computer, a >>> braille display, and some form of scanning software such as KNFB Reader are >>> a must though. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Sep 18, 2018, at 2:14 PM, sophie trist via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> As far as braille displays go, it's just a matter of preference. If >>> economy is your main concern, the Orbit 20 is a great option. However, as an >>> English major, I read a TON of books. Having a 20-cell braille display would >>> drive me up the wall. But it's all about what you're looking for. What works >>> for me might not work for you. >>>> >>>> Soph >>>> >>>>> On Sep 18, 2018 3:54 PM, Louis Maher via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> The Orbit 20 allows you to enter any 6 dot or 8 dot character you like. >>> For this reason, you can enter any type of Braille required. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Louis Maher >>>>> Phone: 713-444-7838 >>>>> E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com >>>>> >>>>> From: Kendra Schaber >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:45 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>>> Cc: Louis Maher >>>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college >>>>> >>>>> Hi all! >>>>> As awesome as that sounds, you have to concider what you need out of your >>> braille note taker. You might get the wrong one if you stick with the >>> cheapest one out there on the market. Bare that in mind. Are you planning on >>> taking advanced math? If so, that smaller note taker might not be the right >>> note taker for you. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thank you for taking the time to read this Email! >>>>> Blessed be!!! >>>>> Kendra Schaber >>>>> Chemeketa Community College, >>>>> 350 Org, >>>>> Citizen's Climate Lobby, >>>>> National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter, Salem, >>>>> Oregon. >>>>> Home Email: >>>>> Redwing731 at gmail.com >>>>> Chemeketa Community College Email: >>>>> Kschaber at my.Chemeketa.edu >>>>> Phone: >>>>> 971-599-9991 >>>>> "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author unknown. >>>>> Sent from my iPhone SE. >>>>> Sent from my Gmail Email >>>>> Get >>>>> Outlook>>>> 2F%2Faka.ms%2Fqtex0l&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cd900fcd7856543a0fedf08d61da7c5 >>>>> 28%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636729003733357986&sd >>>>> ata=GxHuLkKfL55FDV%2FAGOCxsV6665kdJfePUGIYff7BQVk%3D&reserved=0> for >>>>> iOS ________________________________ >>>>> From: NABS-L >>>>> > on >>>>> behalf of Louis Maher via NABS-L >>>>> > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 1:37:04 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Cc: Louis Maher >>>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college >>>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> When considering a note taker, consider the Orbit 20 >>> (https://www.aph.org/orbit-reader-20/>> look.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aph.org%2Forbit-reader-20%2F&data=02%7C01%7C >>> %7Cd900fcd7856543a0fedf08d61da7c528%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7 >>> C0%7C636729003733357986&sdata=9Vf7ySq9yvg3HbJM7Bb9VR8jwqFDVR4jELxEUgaBS4Y%3D >>> &reserved=0>), whose $500 price is about one tenth the cost of other note >>> takers. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Louis Maher >>>>> Phone: 713-444-7838 >>>>> E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: NABS-L >>>>> > On >>>>> Behalf Of Neel Sheth via NABS-L >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:04 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> > >>>>> Cc: Neel Sheth >>>>> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college >>>>> >>>>> Hello Maura, >>>>> To reiterate earlier messages, I'd also highly recommend a braille note >>> taker. It's incredibly portable, and easy to use to take comprehensive notes >>> independently without relying on speech output from a screen reader. With >>> regards to a laptop, whether you choose to use mac or windows depends both >>> on your familiarity with each, as well as your major. If you are going to be >>> studying engineering of any sort, then stick to windows. For most other >>> majors, A mac is also a solid choice. Personally, I do prefer using a mac, >>> since voiceover has a very natural feel on the mac when compared to using a >>> separate program as a screen reader. If, however, you do choose to use a >>> mac, I would highly recommend maintaining proficiency in using windows, as >>> windows is more widely used in professional settings. When in college, you >>> should also cinsider getting a printer, since I have had many professors who >>> want both an electronic and hard copy submission for assignments. >>>>> >>>>> Neel Sheth: Clemson University >>>>> Phone: 803-420-2354 >>>>> sheth.neel.s at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 18, 2018, at 11:03 AM, Maura Loberg via NABS-L >>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I am going to be entering blindness skills training and college in the >>> near future. This year, I am working on writing letters to purchase certain >>> pieces of tech. My question is, what technology did you find super useful in >>> training and/or college? Computers? Notetaking devices? Braille displays? >>> Screenreaders? Apps? I'm open to all ideas. 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To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareader%40 >>>>> gmail.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/santiago.blue.hern >>>> andez%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/redwing731%40gmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/theweird1%40mediacombb.n >>> et >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareader%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/santiago.blue.hernandez%40gmail.com From jrzobek at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 22:02:27 2018 From: jrzobek at gmail.com (Jonathan Zobek) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 18:02:27 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Using a Mac in College Message-ID: <52B73D02-B08B-4F6C-A3A7-4D6BEDC3787A@gmail.com> Hello NABSters! I have a Mac, and want to utilize it more fully in college. Besides the Notes app or Pages, how else can I (or do you) take notes using a Mac? Also, are there any blindness specific apps for Mac like there are for iOS devices? If so, what are they and what do you recommend? Thank you, Jonathan Sent from my iPad From santiago.blue.hernandez at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 22:23:41 2018 From: santiago.blue.hernandez at gmail.com (Santiago H) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 15:23:41 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Using a Mac in College In-Reply-To: <52B73D02-B08B-4F6C-A3A7-4D6BEDC3787A@gmail.com> References: <52B73D02-B08B-4F6C-A3A7-4D6BEDC3787A@gmail.com> Message-ID: This is just my personal preference, but I use Microsoft Office apps, such as Word and Excel, instead of Pages and Numbers. There aren't many blindness specific apps out there. One that comes to mind is DocuScan Plus for scanning documents. Hopefully KNFB Reader comes to the Mac eventually. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 19, 2018, at 3:02 PM, Jonathan Zobek via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello NABSters! > > I have a Mac, and want to utilize it more fully in college. Besides the Notes app or Pages, how else can I (or do you) take notes using a Mac? Also, are there any blindness specific apps for Mac like there are for iOS devices? If so, what are they and what do you recommend? > > Thank you, > Jonathan > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/santiago.blue.hernandez%40gmail.com From pompey2010 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 19 22:27:01 2018 From: pompey2010 at yahoo.com (Bobbi Pompey) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 15:27:01 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Using a Mac in College In-Reply-To: <52B73D02-B08B-4F6C-A3A7-4D6BEDC3787A@gmail.com> References: <52B73D02-B08B-4F6C-A3A7-4D6BEDC3787A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3AFCEAE5-E7A2-4B59-8252-55898C8E563E@yahoo.com> Hello, I also used text editor or Microsoft Word to take notes and complete assignments. I tended to use text editor for notes because it was a very simple interface and I did not need to format my notes. I switched between Pages and MS Word for creating assignments based on my needs. I did not use any blindness specific applications, but I did use some blindness related online resources like Bookstore. Hope this helps! > On Sep 19, 2018, at 3:02 PM, Jonathan Zobek via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello NABSters! > > I have a Mac, and want to utilize it more fully in college. Besides the Notes app or Pages, how else can I (or do you) take notes using a Mac? Also, are there any blindness specific apps for Mac like there are for iOS devices? If so, what are they and what do you recommend? > > Thank you, > Jonathan > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com From awildheir at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 03:27:39 2018 From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 23:27:39 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] tech for college In-Reply-To: <63C26040-5CCB-42BC-964B-E54CC250D498@gmail.com> References: <5ba279b7.1c69fb81.61b3b.828c@mx.google.com> <63C26040-5CCB-42BC-964B-E54CC250D498@gmail.com> Message-ID: <96F6ACEC-1988-4B6D-8508-71D49B8E6749@gmail.com> Might I suggest looking into the ElBraille sold by Freedom Scientific. It is basically a windows computer in a small docking station that attaches to the focus Braille display. A focus 40 5th gen version will be available this fall I think. Aimee Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 19, 2018, at 12:55 PM, Santiago H via NABS-L wrote: > > I personally have a Mac, and use both macOS and Windows. Honestly, Windows is less efficient for me and tends to crash a lot more, so I only use it if I absolutely have to. This is coming from a tech major. macOS tends to be much more responsive, but just like Sophie said, not much has been added to VoiceOver recently. Honestly, I'm not sure what else they could add that would improve the accessibility of apps. At one point a couple of years ago, it wasn't very stable; however, they seem to have fixed most of those bugs by now. Overall, it's best to be familiar with both macOS and Windows. When it comes to JAWS vs NVDA, I agree that having both is probably the best option. NVDA might work better in certain cases than JAWS, and vice versa. For instance, JAWS tends to be more responsive when using Excel, while NVDA tends to work better when browsing the web. As for note takers and braille displays; that's more of a personal preference. The BrailleNote Touch and BrailleSense Polaris both run Android; however, the BrailleNote does have a touch interface, which I would personally prefer over buttons, but that's just me and everyone is different. Alternatively, having a braille display like the Focus or Orbit which you can easily carry around and use with a lot of main stream devices is also a good option. Especially since those main stream devices will most likely have the most up to date software you'll need for school. If you can get a more premium display like the Focus 40 Blue, then you should go with that over the Orbit. While the Orbit is a great low cost display, it lacks routing buttons above each braille cell, making it less efficient for document editing. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 19, 2018, at 9:30 AM, sophie trist via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hi Maura, >> >> Windows all the way over Mac, although it's good to be at least passingly familiar with both. Windows is more universal; you're much more likely to work with Windows in a school or workplace. In my opinion, Apple has been lagging behind in accessibility for VoiceOver on the Mac. It's just not keeping up with other screen readers. >> Different screen readers behave differently in different situations, so it's a good idea to have more than one. I would heavily recommend investing in JAWS. However, NVDA is free and easy to install, so why not have that one too? I've come across situations where a website works better with NVDA than JAWS and vice versa. If you have both screen readers on your machine, you can flip between them as needed. You should also take note of Narrator, Mierosoft's built-in screen reader. Its new update is making it much more accessible and intuitive. The multitude of screen reader options is another reason I'd go with Windows over Mac. Yeah, you can boot-camp a Mac to run OS and Windows, but that's a PAIN!!! >> For KNFB Reader/Seeing AI, it depends on what you plan to use it for. Seeing AI is cheaper and has a lot more versatility. It can read money (multiple currencies), scan bar codes, and work with photos. However, KNFB Reader is still superior in the OCR arena. I have both on my phone. >> I've been a BrailleNote user for ten years (lord, just writing that makes me feel old), and I love my BrailleNote Touch. That's what I'm using to type this email. However, I'd recommend playing with both of them if possible, to determine which is the best fit for you. Personaaly, I don't see the point of having both a notetaker and a braille display. Best of luck! >> >> Sophie >> >>> On Sep 19, 2018 8:13 AM, Maura Loberg via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> Hello all. I'd like to thank you for your responses. I would like to open the debate more towards specific devices. Since I have to do it this way, I'd like to know the following: JAWS vs. NVDA, BrailleNote Touch vs. BrailleSense Polaris, Orbit Reader 20 vs. Focus 40 vs. Brailliant-BI32 vs. others, KNFBReader vs. Seeing AI and Windows vs. Mac vs. others. What devices have helped you survive higher education? What made you decide on those pieces of tech? >>> Thanks! >>> >>>> On Sep 18, 2018 11:33 PM, Loren Wakefield via NABS-L wrote: >>>> >>>> I believe a notetaker is essential. Which one is your preference. Also, a >>>> laptop and printer will be well used. If you would use it and can afford it >>>> or dcan convince your rehab to purchase it for you, a braille display would >>>> be quite handy. But I'm one who believes it should be separate from you >>>> notetaker. >>>> >>>> Another idea might be to pair a braille display with a tablet of some sort. >>>> One can do this much cheaper thana a notetaker would set you back. >>>> >>>> Loren >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Kendra Schaber via >>>> NABS-L >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 11:13 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Cc: Kendra Schaber >>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college >>>> >>>> Hi all! >>>> I think the Polarous Braille Sense is more up to date as far as I know. But >>>> if you are taking a lot of math, you'll need something like it along with >>>> the rest of the tech. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you for taking the time to read this Email! >>>> Blessed be!!! >>>> Kendra Schaber >>>> Chemeketa Community College, >>>> 350 Org, >>>> Citizen's Climate Lobby, >>>> National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter, Salem, Oregon. >>>> Home Email: >>>> Redwing731 at gmail.com >>>> Chemeketa Community College Email: >>>> Kschaber at my.Chemeketa.edu >>>> Phone: >>>> 971-599-9991 >>>> "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author unknown. >>>> Sent from my iPhone SE. >>>> Sent from my Gmail Email >>>> Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ >>>> From: NABS-L on behalf of Santiago H via NABS-L >>>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:07:30 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Cc: Santiago H >>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college >>>> >>>> Getting a BrailleNote Touch or an Orbit which can be paired to a computer or >>>> an iPad are both great options, one being more expensive than the other of >>>> course. Unfortunately, the BrailleNote Touch runs a version of Android from >>>> 2013, and given the fast pace in technology, I'm honestly not sure how well >>>> it will work in the long term with apps such as Google Docs, Sheets, and >>>> Slides which are widely used today. At the very least, getting a computer, a >>>> braille display, and some form of scanning software such as KNFB Reader are >>>> a must though. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>>> On Sep 18, 2018, at 2:14 PM, sophie trist via NABS-L >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> As far as braille displays go, it's just a matter of preference. If >>>> economy is your main concern, the Orbit 20 is a great option. However, as an >>>> English major, I read a TON of books. Having a 20-cell braille display would >>>> drive me up the wall. But it's all about what you're looking for. What works >>>> for me might not work for you. >>>>> >>>>> Soph >>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 18, 2018 3:54 PM, Louis Maher via NABS-L >>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> The Orbit 20 allows you to enter any 6 dot or 8 dot character you like. >>>> For this reason, you can enter any type of Braille required. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Louis Maher >>>>>> Phone: 713-444-7838 >>>>>> E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Kendra Schaber >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:45 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> >>>>>> Cc: Louis Maher >>>>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi all! >>>>>> As awesome as that sounds, you have to concider what you need out of your >>>> braille note taker. You might get the wrong one if you stick with the >>>> cheapest one out there on the market. Bare that in mind. Are you planning on >>>> taking advanced math? If so, that smaller note taker might not be the right >>>> note taker for you. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you for taking the time to read this Email! >>>>>> Blessed be!!! >>>>>> Kendra Schaber >>>>>> Chemeketa Community College, >>>>>> 350 Org, >>>>>> Citizen's Climate Lobby, >>>>>> National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter, Salem, >>>>>> Oregon. >>>>>> Home Email: >>>>>> Redwing731 at gmail.com >>>>>> Chemeketa Community College Email: >>>>>> Kschaber at my.Chemeketa.edu >>>>>> Phone: >>>>>> 971-599-9991 >>>>>> "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author unknown. >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone SE. >>>>>> Sent from my Gmail Email >>>>>> Get >>>>>> Outlook>>>>> 2F%2Faka.ms%2Fqtex0l&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cd900fcd7856543a0fedf08d61da7c5 >>>>>> 28%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636729003733357986&sd >>>>>> ata=GxHuLkKfL55FDV%2FAGOCxsV6665kdJfePUGIYff7BQVk%3D&reserved=0> for >>>>>> iOS ________________________________ >>>>>> From: NABS-L >>>>>> > on >>>>>> behalf of Louis Maher via NABS-L >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 1:37:04 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Cc: Louis Maher >>>>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> When considering a note taker, consider the Orbit 20 >>>> (https://www.aph.org/orbit-reader-20/>>> look.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aph.org%2Forbit-reader-20%2F&data=02%7C01%7C >>>> %7Cd900fcd7856543a0fedf08d61da7c528%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7 >>>> C0%7C636729003733357986&sdata=9Vf7ySq9yvg3HbJM7Bb9VR8jwqFDVR4jELxEUgaBS4Y%3D >>>> &reserved=0>), whose $500 price is about one tenth the cost of other note >>>> takers. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Louis Maher >>>>>> Phone: 713-444-7838 >>>>>> E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: NABS-L >>>>>> > On >>>>>> Behalf Of Neel Sheth via NABS-L >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:04 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> > >>>>>> Cc: Neel Sheth >>>>>> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello Maura, >>>>>> To reiterate earlier messages, I'd also highly recommend a braille note >>>> taker. It's incredibly portable, and easy to use to take comprehensive notes >>>> independently without relying on speech output from a screen reader. With >>>> regards to a laptop, whether you choose to use mac or windows depends both >>>> on your familiarity with each, as well as your major. If you are going to be >>>> studying engineering of any sort, then stick to windows. For most other >>>> majors, A mac is also a solid choice. Personally, I do prefer using a mac, >>>> since voiceover has a very natural feel on the mac when compared to using a >>>> separate program as a screen reader. If, however, you do choose to use a >>>> mac, I would highly recommend maintaining proficiency in using windows, as >>>> windows is more widely used in professional settings. When in college, you >>>> should also cinsider getting a printer, since I have had many professors who >>>> want both an electronic and hard copy submission for assignments. >>>>>> >>>>>> Neel Sheth: Clemson University >>>>>> Phone: 803-420-2354 >>>>>> sheth.neel.s at gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 18, 2018, at 11:03 AM, Maura Loberg via NABS-L >>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am going to be entering blindness skills training and college in the >>>> near future. This year, I am working on writing letters to purchase certain >>>> pieces of tech. My question is, what technology did you find super useful in >>>> training and/or college? Computers? Notetaking devices? Braille displays? >>>> Screenreaders? Apps? I'm open to all ideas. 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>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/santiago.blue.hernandez%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com From royzlilye at gmx.com Thu Sep 20 14:25:40 2018 From: royzlilye at gmx.com (Leye-Shprintse Oeberg) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 16:25:40 +0200 Subject: [NABS-L] tech for college In-Reply-To: <5ba2720f.1c69fb81.bac87.d342@mx.google.com> References: <5ba2720f.1c69fb81.bac87.d342@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <6834DCB1-04D7-461A-B5F5-A1C3BC82084D@gmx.com> בּס’ד Maura, Here’re some of my thoughts: JAWS vs. NVDA: I prefer NVDA over JAWS if I’m forced to work with my PC at all, I don’t think that JAWS is worth its money. Windows vs. Mac: I prefer Mac over Windows because the systemis stable, reliable and easy to use. KNFB Reader vs. Seeing Ai: KNFB Reader is the best, if I had this app when I grew up I would be a super lucky girl as the bookworm which I am! Orbit vs. Focus vs. Brailliant BI: I’d use Brailliant BI 32 or 40 as my big Braille display for Mac with VoiceOver or Focus 40 Blue if I used a Windows laptop with JAWS, Orbit would absolutely work as my portable display. BrailleNote Touch vs. BrailleSense Polaris: I don’t see the use for these notetakers at all, I think that it’s equally easy to connect the Braille display with an iPad or iPhone. The things which I use are the following: Laptop (Windows with NVDA when I really need it because I don’t like to work with it at all.) Tablet (iPad Mini 4) Smartphone (iPhone SE) 40 cells Braille display (Focus 40 Blue) 12 cells Braille display (Esys12) Programs: KNFB Reder, Audio Memos and Apple iWork (Pages, Keynote and Numbers). What you need depends on what you’ll study and what you’re used to use in general. I’m a minimalist when it comes to aids and I have been that since I was a child. Good luck with your studies! לשׁלום, Leye-Shprintse Oeberg Jönköping, Sweden royzlilye at gmx.com Sent from my iPhone SE > 19 sep. 2018 kl. 15:13 skrev Maura Loberg via NABS-L : > > Hello all. I'd like to thank you for your responses. I would like to open the debate more towards specific devices. Since I have to do it this way, I'd like to know the following: JAWS vs. NVDA, BrailleNote Touch vs. BrailleSense Polaris, Orbit Reader 20 vs. Focus 40 vs. Brailliant-BI32 vs. others, KNFBReader vs. Seeing AI and Windows vs. Mac vs. others. What devices have helped you survive higher education? What made you decide on those pieces of tech? > Thanks! > >> On Sep 18, 2018 11:33 PM, Loren Wakefield via NABS-L wrote: >> >> I believe a notetaker is essential. Which one is your preference. Also, a >> laptop and printer will be well used. If you would use it and can afford it >> or dcan convince your rehab to purchase it for you, a braille display would >> be quite handy. But I'm one who believes it should be separate from you >> notetaker. >> >> Another idea might be to pair a braille display with a tablet of some sort. >> One can do this much cheaper thana a notetaker would set you back. >> >> Loren >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Kendra Schaber via >> NABS-L >> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 11:13 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: Kendra Schaber >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college >> >> Hi all! >> I think the Polarous Braille Sense is more up to date as far as I know. But >> if you are taking a lot of math, you'll need something like it along with >> the rest of the tech. >> >> >> Thank you for taking the time to read this Email! >> Blessed be!!! >> Kendra Schaber >> Chemeketa Community College, >> 350 Org, >> Citizen's Climate Lobby, >> National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter, Salem, Oregon. >> Home Email: >> Redwing731 at gmail.com >> Chemeketa Community College Email: >> Kschaber at my.Chemeketa.edu >> Phone: >> 971-599-9991 >> "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author unknown. >> Sent from my iPhone SE. >> Sent from my Gmail Email >> Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ >> From: NABS-L on behalf of Santiago H via NABS-L >> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:07:30 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: Santiago H >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college >> >> Getting a BrailleNote Touch or an Orbit which can be paired to a computer or >> an iPad are both great options, one being more expensive than the other of >> course. Unfortunately, the BrailleNote Touch runs a version of Android from >> 2013, and given the fast pace in technology, I'm honestly not sure how well >> it will work in the long term with apps such as Google Docs, Sheets, and >> Slides which are widely used today. At the very least, getting a computer, a >> braille display, and some form of scanning software such as KNFB Reader are >> a must though. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 18, 2018, at 2:14 PM, sophie trist via NABS-L >> wrote: >>> >>> As far as braille displays go, it's just a matter of preference. If >> economy is your main concern, the Orbit 20 is a great option. However, as an >> English major, I read a TON of books. Having a 20-cell braille display would >> drive me up the wall. But it's all about what you're looking for. What works >> for me might not work for you. >>> >>> Soph >>> >>>> On Sep 18, 2018 3:54 PM, Louis Maher via NABS-L >> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> The Orbit 20 allows you to enter any 6 dot or 8 dot character you like. >> For this reason, you can enter any type of Braille required. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Louis Maher >>>> Phone: 713-444-7838 >>>> E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com >>>> >>>> From: Kendra Schaber >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:45 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>> Cc: Louis Maher >>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college >>>> >>>> Hi all! >>>> As awesome as that sounds, you have to concider what you need out of your >> braille note taker. You might get the wrong one if you stick with the >> cheapest one out there on the market. Bare that in mind. Are you planning on >> taking advanced math? If so, that smaller note taker might not be the right >> note taker for you. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you for taking the time to read this Email! >>>> Blessed be!!! >>>> Kendra Schaber >>>> Chemeketa Community College, >>>> 350 Org, >>>> Citizen's Climate Lobby, >>>> National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter, Salem, >>>> Oregon. >>>> Home Email: >>>> Redwing731 at gmail.com >>>> Chemeketa Community College Email: >>>> Kschaber at my.Chemeketa.edu >>>> Phone: >>>> 971-599-9991 >>>> "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author unknown. >>>> Sent from my iPhone SE. >>>> Sent from my Gmail Email >>>> Get >>>> Outlook>>> 2F%2Faka.ms%2Fqtex0l&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cd900fcd7856543a0fedf08d61da7c5 >>>> 28%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636729003733357986&sd >>>> ata=GxHuLkKfL55FDV%2FAGOCxsV6665kdJfePUGIYff7BQVk%3D&reserved=0> for >>>> iOS ________________________________ >>>> From: NABS-L >>>> > on >>>> behalf of Louis Maher via NABS-L >>>> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 1:37:04 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Cc: Louis Maher >>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college >>>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> When considering a note taker, consider the Orbit 20 >> (https://www.aph.org/orbit-reader-20/> look.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aph.org%2Forbit-reader-20%2F&data=02%7C01%7C >> %7Cd900fcd7856543a0fedf08d61da7c528%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7 >> C0%7C636729003733357986&sdata=9Vf7ySq9yvg3HbJM7Bb9VR8jwqFDVR4jELxEUgaBS4Y%3D >> &reserved=0>), whose $500 price is about one tenth the cost of other note >> takers. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Louis Maher >>>> Phone: 713-444-7838 >>>> E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: NABS-L >>>> > On >>>> Behalf Of Neel Sheth via NABS-L >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:04 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> > >>>> Cc: Neel Sheth >>>> > >>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] tech for college >>>> >>>> Hello Maura, >>>> To reiterate earlier messages, I'd also highly recommend a braille note >> taker. It's incredibly portable, and easy to use to take comprehensive notes >> independently without relying on speech output from a screen reader. With >> regards to a laptop, whether you choose to use mac or windows depends both >> on your familiarity with each, as well as your major. If you are going to be >> studying engineering of any sort, then stick to windows. For most other >> majors, A mac is also a solid choice. Personally, I do prefer using a mac, >> since voiceover has a very natural feel on the mac when compared to using a >> separate program as a screen reader. If, however, you do choose to use a >> mac, I would highly recommend maintaining proficiency in using windows, as >> windows is more widely used in professional settings. When in college, you >> should also cinsider getting a printer, since I have had many professors who >> want both an electronic and hard copy submission for assignments. >>>> >>>> Neel Sheth: Clemson University >>>> Phone: 803-420-2354 >>>> sheth.neel.s at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Sep 18, 2018, at 11:03 AM, Maura Loberg via NABS-L >> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I am going to be entering blindness skills training and college in the >> near future. This year, I am working on writing letters to purchase certain >> pieces of tech. My question is, what technology did you find super useful in >> training and/or college? Computers? Notetaking devices? Braille displays? >> Screenreaders? Apps? I'm open to all ideas. 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All of the advice on this thread so far has been excellent. You're in good hands. Here's my two-scents, if you can even call it that. The big thing to remember is that you should use what works for you and your budget. Whether your VR is helping you purchase your tech, or you're going at it on your own, make sure to think hard about what you might study, what you have comfortably and efficiently used in the past, and how much of a learning curve you might have if you are trying some new technology. You don't want that learning curve to overshadow what you're using it for in the first place. Personally, I use a Focus 40 blue, paired with my Windows PC and NVDA. I decided to forego JAWS and see how NVDA would work for daily use, and so far it's great. But I agree with others that if you have the opportunity to have both, take it. For scanning software, I have Seeing AI on my phone. As previously mentioned, it has a lot of versitile features in a single app, which keeps you from having to download mmultiple apps and programs. I also have Kurzweil 2000, which scans documents into text and allows them to be editable on my computer. You can also use Openbook with JAWS to do similar tasks. I have heard good things about both. One more thing. I have found that Soundscape, a microsoft app, has proven extremely useful during travel, especially for exploring the general environment. It's great for quick orientation to large campuses. of course traditional orientation services are highly valued and more effective, but this is a neat way to work on routes on your own. HTH Mausam Mehta Board member | National Association of blind students A proud division of the National Federation of the blind (540) 466-6033 mausam.mehta.nfb at gmail.com | www.nabslink.org > On Sep 19, 2018, at 10:56 AM, Ben Fulton via NABS-L wrote: > > R From ropermeaghan at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 17:55:46 2018 From: ropermeaghan at gmail.com (Roper, Meaghan) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 13:55:46 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Accessible Domain platforms Message-ID: Hey all, I'm looking to build a domain for a graduate project at the end of this semester, and I don't have time to code my own site. i wanted to ask if any of you have used platforms such as Weebly, Square Space or WordPress to build your own domain? I've heard Word Press is pretty accessible, but wanted to confirm with experienced users. Any advice or suggestions would be greatly appreaciated. Thanks, Meaghan Meaghan K. Roper Wheelock College | Class of 2018 Georgetown University | Class of 2019 From royzlilye at gmx.com Thu Sep 20 18:09:09 2018 From: royzlilye at gmx.com (Leye-Shprintse Oeberg) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 20:09:09 +0200 Subject: [NABS-L] Accessible Domain platforms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: בּס’ד Meaghan, I used WordPress to build my freelancing website, it’s accessible. What I remember, Weebly wasn’t very accessible some years ago, while I’ve any experience of using SquareSpace. לשׁלום, Leye-Shprintse Oeberg Jönköping, Sweden royzlilye at gmx.com Sent from my iPhone SE > 20 sep. 2018 kl. 19:55 skrev Roper, Meaghan via NABS-L : > > Hey all, > > I'm looking to build a domain for a graduate project at the end of this semester, and I don't have time to code my own site. i wanted to ask if any of you have used platforms such as Weebly, Square Space or WordPress to build your own domain? I've heard Word Press is pretty accessible, but wanted to confirm with experienced users. Any advice or suggestions would be greatly appreaciated. > > Thanks, > > Meaghan > > Meaghan K. Roper > Wheelock College | Class of 2018 > Georgetown University | Class of 2019 > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/royzlilye%40gmx.com From royzlilye at gmx.com Thu Sep 20 18:20:30 2018 From: royzlilye at gmx.com (Leye-Shprintse Oeberg) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 20:20:30 +0200 Subject: [NABS-L] Question About My Professional signature In-Reply-To: References: <5ba0ecc1.1c69fb81.6ee83.7743@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <970D4941-73E9-45AE-BE1A-61B5D9AC57CE@gmx.com> בּס’ד Chris, What a great idea to take a picture of your signature, thanks for the tip! I also like the idea of a stamp, but I wonder if that kind of signature would be regarded as legal? I’ve only a L followed by a squiggle, but I must admit that I’ll never feel comfortable with a pen in my hand. When I was younger, I really panicked about my signature, but today, I only see it as anoother way the society is ableist. So my advice would be to not stress about it, it’s only a signature. לשׁלום, Leye-Shprintse Oeberg Jönköping, Sweden royzlilye at gmx.com Sent from my iPhone SE > 18 sep. 2018 kl. 18:18 skrev Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L : > > Hi Roanna: > > I actually learned a very easy way to do this from President Riccobono. When he needed to electronically sign a document, he signed his name on a blank piece of paper and asked a sighted person to take a picture of the signature. He then saved the JPG file on his computer so he could use it whenever the situation called for it. Now, when he gets a copy of a document which requires his signature, whether in electronic form or in hardcopy, he can simply copy and paste the JPG file into the document. I have also tried this method and have found it to be very easy and useful. > > In cases in which you have to sign a document in the moment, such as a check at a restaurant or a form at a doctor's office, a stamp may be a good idea which I have never thought about. Personally, I have developed overtime a common signature which I can use in any situation. Mine consists of the letters CN (my first and last initials) followed by a "squiggly line" at the end. You will observe that my signature isn't my full written name, and that it probably wouldn't be considered to be neat handwriting. However, it is consistent and legible, so it's accepted in any professional setting. So I would advise you not to stress about writing all the letters of your name perfectly. Remember that many sighted people have very messy handwriting and that sighted people often can't make out each other's writing. As long as you have a signature which is consistent whenever you sign, you will be fine. > > Hope this helps, > > Chris Nusbaum > >> On Sep 18, 2018, at 8:17 AM, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Dear Students, >> >> As many of you may know, I am participating in the Independent Living Skills program at the Rehabilitation Center For The Blind And Visually in Daytona, Beach, Florida. One of the things that my parents want me to learn while I am here is how to write my name in a professional manner. My Personal Management instructor and I are working on this on a daily basis. However, she suggested that I get a stamp with my professional signature on it. What are your thoughts on this? >> >> Roanna Bacchus >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/royzlilye%40gmx.com From jhud7789 at twc.com Thu Sep 20 19:45:11 2018 From: jhud7789 at twc.com (jhud7789 at twc.com) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 14:45:11 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Question About My Professional signature In-Reply-To: <970D4941-73E9-45AE-BE1A-61B5D9AC57CE@gmx.com> References: <5ba0ecc1.1c69fb81.6ee83.7743@mx.google.com> <970D4941-73E9-45AE-BE1A-61B5D9AC57CE@gmx.com> Message-ID: <302413F7-4266-4866-BCEC-D28EA9AF3C71@twc.com> Are use my stamp all the time for stamping government official paperwork. So I don’t see anybody having any trouble with it. Matter fact, when they saw I was stamping my name on some paperwork and then handover hand timing it somewhere else, they actually requested that I bring my stamp and stamp the paperwork. That type of signature. Matter fact, there was one time, when my stamp I accidentally left it at home. And I did a handwritten signature. And they saw that a lot of my other paperwork was being stamped, and they asked where my stamp was. I’ve had no problems with any type of paperwork this way. joseph hudson Technology support for the blind or better known as Mack, IOS and Windows support FaceTime, iMessage, and email jhud7789 at twc.com Telephone/what's up messenger 254-300-7667 Twitter https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 Facebook https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 20, 2018, at 1:20 PM, Leye-Shprintse Oeberg via NABS-L wrote: > > בּס’ד > > Chris, > > What a great idea to take a picture of your signature, thanks for the tip! I also like the idea of a stamp, but I wonder if that kind of signature would be regarded as legal? I’ve only a L followed by a squiggle, but I must admit that I’ll never feel comfortable with a pen in my hand. When I was younger, I really panicked about my signature, but today, I only see it as anoother way the society is ableist. So my advice would be to not stress about it, it’s only a signature. > > לשׁלום, > Leye-Shprintse Oeberg > Jönköping, Sweden > royzlilye at gmx.com > > Sent from my iPhone SE > >> 18 sep. 2018 kl. 18:18 skrev Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L : >> >> Hi Roanna: >> >> I actually learned a very easy way to do this from President Riccobono. When he needed to electronically sign a document, he signed his name on a blank piece of paper and asked a sighted person to take a picture of the signature. He then saved the JPG file on his computer so he could use it whenever the situation called for it. Now, when he gets a copy of a document which requires his signature, whether in electronic form or in hardcopy, he can simply copy and paste the JPG file into the document. I have also tried this method and have found it to be very easy and useful. >> >> In cases in which you have to sign a document in the moment, such as a check at a restaurant or a form at a doctor's office, a stamp may be a good idea which I have never thought about. Personally, I have developed overtime a common signature which I can use in any situation. Mine consists of the letters CN (my first and last initials) followed by a "squiggly line" at the end. You will observe that my signature isn't my full written name, and that it probably wouldn't be considered to be neat handwriting. However, it is consistent and legible, so it's accepted in any professional setting. So I would advise you not to stress about writing all the letters of your name perfectly. Remember that many sighted people have very messy handwriting and that sighted people often can't make out each other's writing. As long as you have a signature which is consistent whenever you sign, you will be fine. >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >>> On Sep 18, 2018, at 8:17 AM, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> Dear Students, >>> >>> As many of you may know, I am participating in the Independent Living Skills program at the Rehabilitation Center For The Blind And Visually in Daytona, Beach, Florida. One of the things that my parents want me to learn while I am here is how to write my name in a professional manner. My Personal Management instructor and I are working on this on a daily basis. However, she suggested that I get a stamp with my professional signature on it. What are your thoughts on this? >>> >>> Roanna Bacchus >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/royzlilye%40gmx.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40twc.com From alpineimagination at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 20:57:30 2018 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 13:57:30 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Joining a Service Corps After College Graduation Message-ID: Hi All, I'm a junior in college. We had a career fair today, and there are several service corps opportunities one can do after graduation. Two in particular are of interest: Teach for America, a two-year paid program, and an 11-month service opportunity specifically aimed at these who just graduated my school, which is a Catholic institution. They sound like amazing opportunities. I was wondering if anyone any experience with joining a service corps after graduation, and whether they needed to convince the Department of Rehab that this is a great experience for them. Thanks, Vejas Vasiliauskas Secretary and Treasurer of the California Association of Blind Students Phone: (310) 265-3949 Email: alpineimagination at gmail.com From goosie1011 at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 21:06:46 2018 From: goosie1011 at gmail.com (Garrett Kearns) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 17:06:46 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Accessible Domain platforms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I use wordpress for my website and it's pretty accessible. Probably more so than other platforms. On 9/20/18, Leye-Shprintse Oeberg via NABS-L wrote: > בּס’ד > > Meaghan, > > I used WordPress to build my freelancing website, it’s accessible. What I > remember, Weebly wasn’t very accessible some years ago, while I’ve any > experience of using SquareSpace. > > לשׁלום, > Leye-Shprintse Oeberg > Jönköping, Sweden > royzlilye at gmx.com > > Sent from my iPhone SE > >> 20 sep. 2018 kl. 19:55 skrev Roper, Meaghan via NABS-L >> : >> >> Hey all, >> >> I'm looking to build a domain for a graduate project at the end of this >> semester, and I don't have time to code my own site. i wanted to ask if >> any of you have used platforms such as Weebly, Square Space or WordPress >> to build your own domain? I've heard Word Press is pretty accessible, but >> wanted to confirm with experienced users. Any advice or suggestions would >> be greatly appreaciated. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Meaghan >> >> Meaghan K. Roper >> Wheelock College | Class of 2018 >> Georgetown University | Class of 2019 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/royzlilye%40gmx.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/goosie1011%40gmail.com > From a.vias at outlook.com Thu Sep 20 21:10:41 2018 From: a.vias at outlook.com (Armando Vias) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 21:10:41 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Accessible Domain platforms In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: I also use WordPress to run my website called the Disability Awareness and More Blog. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 20, 2018, at 5:08 PM, Garrett Kearns via NABS-L wrote: > > I use wordpress for my website and it's pretty accessible. Probably > more so than other platforms. > >> On 9/20/18, Leye-Shprintse Oeberg via NABS-L wrote: >> בּס’ד >> >> Meaghan, >> >> I used WordPress to build my freelancing website, it’s accessible. What I >> remember, Weebly wasn’t very accessible some years ago, while I’ve any >> experience of using SquareSpace. >> >> לשׁלום, >> Leye-Shprintse Oeberg >> Jönköping, Sweden >> royzlilye at gmx.com >> >> Sent from my iPhone SE >> >>> 20 sep. 2018 kl. 19:55 skrev Roper, Meaghan via NABS-L >>> : >>> >>> Hey all, >>> >>> I'm looking to build a domain for a graduate project at the end of this >>> semester, and I don't have time to code my own site. i wanted to ask if >>> any of you have used platforms such as Weebly, Square Space or WordPress >>> to build your own domain? I've heard Word Press is pretty accessible, but >>> wanted to confirm with experienced users. Any advice or suggestions would >>> be greatly appreaciated. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Meaghan >>> >>> Meaghan K. Roper >>> Wheelock College | Class of 2018 >>> Georgetown University | Class of 2019 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdbde19375e9c4e176cd008d61f3d339a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636730745046753526&sdata=mILDUcdJwmT4cwwjZvAkkgJizXNaE%2BPV%2F6jmrkgMsB4%3D&reserved=0 >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org%2Froyzlilye%2540gmx.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdbde19375e9c4e176cd008d61f3d339a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636730745046753526&sdata=zB4G5WrFEEnzjOhqG2%2FW3TQPaX44TbfuqZR3STPJ3DQ%3D&reserved=0 >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdbde19375e9c4e176cd008d61f3d339a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636730745046753526&sdata=mILDUcdJwmT4cwwjZvAkkgJizXNaE%2BPV%2F6jmrkgMsB4%3D&reserved=0 >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org%2Fgoosie1011%2540gmail.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdbde19375e9c4e176cd008d61f3d339a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636730745046753526&sdata=4ei6bEm6PJvdrnj04Vc1TBuZxvsTc4o%2BldLm%2F3nd%2Bow%3D&reserved=0 >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdbde19375e9c4e176cd008d61f3d339a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636730745046753526&sdata=mILDUcdJwmT4cwwjZvAkkgJizXNaE%2BPV%2F6jmrkgMsB4%3D&reserved=0 > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org%2Fa.vias%2540outlook.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdbde19375e9c4e176cd008d61f3d339a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636730745046753526&sdata=6qew1y4kMF8%2FYjPGh4r3zoAU8jL2klEo35HYY2Ju6Fs%3D&reserved=0 From jameyanne at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 14:21:09 2018 From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 10:21:09 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Accessible Domain platforms In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <00b001d451b6$582da0b0$0888e210$@gmail.com> I agree with everything that's been said here. I don't have experience with other platforms, but wordpress is definitely accessible. I've been using it for my website for five years with no problems. I will note that I personally prefer to use the wp-admin editor over the more streamlined version on wordpress.com, but I don't know if that's inaccessible or if I just couldn't figure it out so I went back to what I know. You may want some sited assistance picking out a theme for your site in the beginning, as the descriptions don't give you a sense of what the theme visually looks like. The descriptions will tell you how many widgets and menus you can have and where they're positioned on the page, but it's nice to have someone describe what it looks like. Hope that's helpful. Feel free to message me off-list if you have questions or anything. Jameyanne -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Armando Vias via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2018 5:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Armando Vias Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Accessible Domain platforms I also use WordPress to run my website called the Disability Awareness and More Blog. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 20, 2018, at 5:08 PM, Garrett Kearns via NABS-L wrote: > > I use wordpress for my website and it's pretty accessible. Probably > more so than other platforms. > >> On 9/20/18, Leye-Shprintse Oeberg via NABS-L wrote: >> בּס’ד >> >> Meaghan, >> >> I used WordPress to build my freelancing website, it’s accessible. >> What I remember, Weebly wasn’t very accessible some years ago, while >> I’ve any experience of using SquareSpace. >> >> לשׁלום, >> Leye-Shprintse Oeberg >> Jönköping, Sweden >> royzlilye at gmx.com >> >> Sent from my iPhone SE >> >>> 20 sep. 2018 kl. 19:55 skrev Roper, Meaghan via NABS-L >>> : >>> >>> Hey all, >>> >>> I'm looking to build a domain for a graduate project at the end of >>> this semester, and I don't have time to code my own site. i wanted >>> to ask if any of you have used platforms such as Weebly, Square >>> Space or WordPress to build your own domain? I've heard Word Press >>> is pretty accessible, but wanted to confirm with experienced users. >>> Any advice or suggestions would be greatly appreaciated. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Meaghan >>> >>> Meaghan K. 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So I don’t see anybody having any trouble with it. Matter fact, when they saw I was stamping my name on some paperwork and then handover hand timing it somewhere else, they actually requested that I bring my stamp and stamp the paperwork. That type of signature. Matter fact, there was one time, when my stamp I accidentally left it at home. And I did a handwritten signature. And they saw that a lot of my other paperwork was being stamped, and they asked where my stamp was. I’ve had no problems with any type of paperwork this way. > > joseph hudson > > Technology support for the blind or better known as Mack, IOS and Windows support > > FaceTime, iMessage, and email > > jhud7789 at twc.com > > Telephone/what's up messenger > > 254-300-7667 > > Twitter > https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 > > Facebook > > https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 20, 2018, at 1:20 PM, Leye-Shprintse Oeberg via NABS-L wrote: >> >> בּס’ד >> >> Chris, >> >> What a great idea to take a picture of your signature, thanks for the tip! I also like the idea of a stamp, but I wonder if that kind of signature would be regarded as legal? I’ve only a L followed by a squiggle, but I must admit that I’ll never feel comfortable with a pen in my hand. When I was younger, I really panicked about my signature, but today, I only see it as anoother way the society is ableist. So my advice would be to not stress about it, it’s only a signature. >> >> לשׁלום, >> Leye-Shprintse Oeberg >> Jönköping, Sweden >> royzlilye at gmx.com >> >> Sent from my iPhone SE >> >>> 18 sep. 2018 kl. 18:18 skrev Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L : >>> >>> Hi Roanna: >>> >>> I actually learned a very easy way to do this from President Riccobono. When he needed to electronically sign a document, he signed his name on a blank piece of paper and asked a sighted person to take a picture of the signature. He then saved the JPG file on his computer so he could use it whenever the situation called for it. Now, when he gets a copy of a document which requires his signature, whether in electronic form or in hardcopy, he can simply copy and paste the JPG file into the document. I have also tried this method and have found it to be very easy and useful. >>> >>> In cases in which you have to sign a document in the moment, such as a check at a restaurant or a form at a doctor's office, a stamp may be a good idea which I have never thought about. Personally, I have developed overtime a common signature which I can use in any situation. Mine consists of the letters CN (my first and last initials) followed by a "squiggly line" at the end. You will observe that my signature isn't my full written name, and that it probably wouldn't be considered to be neat handwriting. However, it is consistent and legible, so it's accepted in any professional setting. So I would advise you not to stress about writing all the letters of your name perfectly. Remember that many sighted people have very messy handwriting and that sighted people often can't make out each other's writing. As long as you have a signature which is consistent whenever you sign, you will be fine. >>> >>> Hope this helps, >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>>> On Sep 18, 2018, at 8:17 AM, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Students, >>>> >>>> As many of you may know, I am participating in the Independent Living Skills program at the Rehabilitation Center For The Blind And Visually in Daytona, Beach, Florida. One of the things that my parents want me to learn while I am here is how to write my name in a professional manner. My Personal Management instructor and I are working on this on a daily basis. However, she suggested that I get a stamp with my professional signature on it. What are your thoughts on this? >>>> >>>> Roanna Bacchus >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/royzlilye%40gmx.com >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40twc.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/royzlilye%40gmx.com From dandrews at visi.com Sun Sep 23 15:17:27 2018 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 10:17:27 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Accessible Domain platforms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: People seem to use WordPress or Drupal the most. We have a list, nfb-web that may be a good place for specific advice: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-web_nfbnet.org to subscribe. Dave At 12:55 PM 9/20/2018, Roper, Meaghan via NABS-L wrote: >Hey all, > >I'm looking to build a domain for a graduate project at the end of >this semester, and I don't have time to code my own site. i wanted >to ask if any of you have used platforms such as Weebly, Square >Space or WordPress to build your own domain? I've heard Word Press >is pretty accessible, but wanted to confirm with experienced users. >Any advice or suggestions would be greatly appreaciated. > >Thanks, > >Meaghan > >Meaghan K. Roper >Wheelock College | Class of 2018 >Georgetown University | Class of 2019 From janae.burgmeier at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 18:33:46 2018 From: janae.burgmeier at gmail.com (Janae Burgmeier) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 13:33:46 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Membership call reminder Message-ID: <0B876CCF-3556-416F-86FD-D07D76FC3AD0@gmail.com> Greetings students! This is a reminder that the membership call will take place at 8 eastern next Sunday September 30th. NABS Secretary Melissa Carney will be facilitating the call. We will have several speakers talking about employment so please be ready to ask some great questions and participate in an engaging conversation about unique careers a blind person might have. Call in info ‭(712) 770-5197,,265669‬ Have a great and relaxing Sunday! From johnawright98 at gmail.com Tue Sep 25 04:14:27 2018 From: johnawright98 at gmail.com (johnawright98 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 00:14:27 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Discussion Starter Message-ID: Hey, students! It’s me, your social media girl, again! I thought I would post another discussion starter, since you all were very engaged in our last one. For this one, I want to focus on scholarships and fellowships. Are there any scholarships or fellowships you’re thinking of applying for? Have you already been awarded a scholarship or fellowship? Do you know any tips and/or tricks to writing a great scholarship essay? For me personally, I am currently applying for a Gilman Study Abroad Scholarship in hopes of studying psychology abroad this coming summer. I think the most important thing about the essay is to research your field and any potential programs and include that in your application essay. I cannot wait to hear about your experiences! Johna Wright Vice President, National Federation of the Blind Community Service Division Social Media Chair, National Association of Blind Students From wmodnl at hotmail.com Tue Sep 25 05:45:31 2018 From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 05:45:31 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] SPSS: In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hello I hope you all are well. I have a question. Does anyone know a resource where I can find the latest up-to-date accessibility information on SPSS software and using it with jaws or zoom text? thanks I appreciate this. Have a good evening ________________________________ From: NABS-L on behalf of Johna Wright via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 12:14:27 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: johnawright98 at gmail.com Subject: [NABS-L] Discussion Starter Hey, students! It’s me, your social media girl, again! I thought I would post another discussion starter, since you all were very engaged in our last one. For this one, I want to focus on scholarships and fellowships. Are there any scholarships or fellowships you’re thinking of applying for? Have you already been awarded a scholarship or fellowship? Do you know any tips and/or tricks to writing a great scholarship essay? For me personally, I am currently applying for a Gilman Study Abroad Scholarship in hopes of studying psychology abroad this coming summer. I think the most important thing about the essay is to research your field and any potential programs and include that in your application essay. I cannot wait to hear about your experiences! Johna Wright Vice President, National Federation of the Blind Community Service Division Social Media Chair, National Association of Blind Students _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Tue Sep 25 07:20:14 2018 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 03:20:14 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Discussion Starter Message-ID: <5ba9e1b1.1c69fb81.4956f.3191@mx.google.com> Hi Johna thanks for your message. Each year the Visual Aid Volunteers Of Florida gives a scholarship to blind students. This award honors Doctor Abraham Nemeth who invented the Nemeth code that is used for mathematics in braille. I wrote my essay and sent into the committee along with my application. I wrote about why I wanted to go to college.   On Sep 25, 2018 12:14 AM, Johna Wright via NABS-L wrote: > > Hey, students! > > It’s me, your social media girl, again! I thought I would post another discussion starter, since you all were very engaged in our last one. For this one, I want to focus on scholarships and fellowships. Are there any scholarships or fellowships you’re thinking of applying for? Have you already been awarded a scholarship or fellowship? Do you know any tips and/or tricks to writing a great scholarship essay? For me personally, I am currently applying for a Gilman Study Abroad Scholarship in hopes of studying psychology abroad this coming summer. I think the most important thing about the essay is to research your field and any potential programs and include that in your application essay. > > I cannot wait to hear about your experiences! > > Johna Wright > Vice President, National Federation of the Blind Community Service Division > Social Media Chair, National Association of Blind Students > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com From sandragayer7 at gmail.com Tue Sep 25 09:15:27 2018 From: sandragayer7 at gmail.com (Sandra Gayer) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 10:15:27 +0100 Subject: [NABS-L] SPSS: In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, Have you tried contacting IBM direct? They have worked with visually impaired users of SPSS before and I'm sure they could send you a list of the keystrokes you need. Very best wishes, Sandra. On 9/25/18, wmodnl wmodnl via NABS-L wrote: > hello I hope you all are well. I have a question. Does anyone know a > resource where I can find the latest up-to-date accessibility information on > SPSS software and using it with jaws or zoom text? > thanks I appreciate this. Have a good evening > > ________________________________ > From: NABS-L on behalf of Johna Wright via > NABS-L > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 12:14:27 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Cc: johnawright98 at gmail.com > Subject: [NABS-L] Discussion Starter > > Hey, students! > > It’s me, your social media girl, again! I thought I would post another > discussion starter, since you all were very engaged in our last one. For > this one, I want to focus on scholarships and fellowships. Are there any > scholarships or fellowships you’re thinking of applying for? Have you > already been awarded a scholarship or fellowship? Do you know any tips > and/or tricks to writing a great scholarship essay? For me personally, I am > currently applying for a Gilman Study Abroad Scholarship in hopes of > studying psychology abroad this coming summer. I think the most important > thing about the essay is to research your field and any potential programs > and include that in your application essay. > > I cannot wait to hear about your experiences! > > Johna Wright > Vice President, National Federation of the Blind Community Service Division > Social Media Chair, National Association of Blind Students > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gmail.com > -- Sandra Gayer DipABRSM, LRSM. Soprano Singer www.sandragayer.com Broadcast Presenter www.rnibconnectradio.org.uk/music-box.html Actor www.visablepeople.com Voiceover Artist www.archangelvoices.co.uk/content/sandra-gayer From a.vias at outlook.com Tue Sep 25 14:15:30 2018 From: a.vias at outlook.com (Armando Vias) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 14:15:30 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Keys Stuck On The BrailleSense Polaris Message-ID: Hey! I have a problem with the BrailleSense Polaris. The dot 4 and the dot 1 keys are sticking, like it won't pop back up. I have to manually pull the keys up with my fingers? What should I do to make the keys not stick? Sent from my iPhone From misokwak12 at gmail.com Tue Sep 25 15:22:17 2018 From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 11:22:17 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Keys Stuck On The BrailleSense Polaris In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Probably send it to HIMS... I am sorry that you are experiencing this. On 9/25/18, Armando Vias via NABS-L wrote: > Hey! I have a problem with the BrailleSense Polaris. The dot 4 and the dot 1 > keys are sticking, like it won't pop back up. I have to manually pull the > keys up with my fingers? What should I do to make the keys not stick? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/misokwak12%40gmail.com > From santiago.blue.hernandez at gmail.com Tue Sep 25 16:07:44 2018 From: santiago.blue.hernandez at gmail.com (Santiago H) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 09:07:44 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Keys Stuck On The BrailleSense Polaris In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7CD065D6-7060-4FC9-8BC7-DB4AFFC154C3@gmail.com> Sorry about that. I second that. Contacting HIMS would be your best bet. If there was no accidental damage done, then it should be covered by their limited warranty. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 25, 2018, at 8:22 AM, Miso Kwak via NABS-L wrote: > > Probably send it to HIMS... I am sorry that you are experiencing this. > >> On 9/25/18, Armando Vias via NABS-L wrote: >> Hey! I have a problem with the BrailleSense Polaris. The dot 4 and the dot 1 >> keys are sticking, like it won't pop back up. I have to manually pull the >> keys up with my fingers? What should I do to make the keys not stick? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/misokwak12%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/santiago.blue.hernandez%40gmail.com From lily2011a at gmail.com Tue Sep 25 17:55:51 2018 From: lily2011a at gmail.com (lily2011a at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 13:55:51 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Question About My Professional signature In-Reply-To: References: <5ba0ecc1.1c69fb81.6ee83.7743@mx.google.com> <970D4941-73E9-45AE-BE1A-61B5D9AC57CE@gmx.com> <302413F7-4266-4866-BCEC-D28EA9AF3C71@twc.com> Message-ID: <32A39B24-7361-45CF-9E6A-65E9C469743F@gmail.com> Hello Joseph, where do you get a stamp made with your signature? What’s the name of the company and how much does that usually cost? Thanks, Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 22, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Leye-Shprintse Oeberg via NABS-L wrote: > > בּס’ד > > Joseph, > > Thanks for the information, I had never heard about it before on this side of the Pond, I’m in Sweden, therefore my question. > > לשׁלום, > Leye-Shprintse Oeberg > Jönköping, Sweden > leyeshprintse at gmail.com > > Sent from my iPhone SE >> 20 sep. 2018 kl. 21:45 skrev Joseph via NABS-L : >> >> Are use my stamp all the time for stamping government official paperwork. So I don’t see anybody having any trouble with it. Matter fact, when they saw I was stamping my name on some paperwork and then handover hand timing it somewhere else, they actually requested that I bring my stamp and stamp the paperwork. That type of signature. Matter fact, there was one time, when my stamp I accidentally left it at home. And I did a handwritten signature. And they saw that a lot of my other paperwork was being stamped, and they asked where my stamp was. I’ve had no problems with any type of paperwork this way. >> >> joseph hudson >> >> Technology support for the blind or better known as Mack, IOS and Windows support >> >> FaceTime, iMessage, and email >> >> jhud7789 at twc.com >> >> Telephone/what's up messenger >> >> 254-300-7667 >> >> Twitter >> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 >> >> Facebook >> >> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 20, 2018, at 1:20 PM, Leye-Shprintse Oeberg via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> בּס’ד >>> >>> Chris, >>> >>> What a great idea to take a picture of your signature, thanks for the tip! I also like the idea of a stamp, but I wonder if that kind of signature would be regarded as legal? I’ve only a L followed by a squiggle, but I must admit that I’ll never feel comfortable with a pen in my hand. When I was younger, I really panicked about my signature, but today, I only see it as anoother way the society is ableist. So my advice would be to not stress about it, it’s only a signature. >>> >>> לשׁלום, >>> Leye-Shprintse Oeberg >>> Jönköping, Sweden >>> royzlilye at gmx.com >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone SE >>> >>>> 18 sep. 2018 kl. 18:18 skrev Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L : >>>> >>>> Hi Roanna: >>>> >>>> I actually learned a very easy way to do this from President Riccobono. When he needed to electronically sign a document, he signed his name on a blank piece of paper and asked a sighted person to take a picture of the signature. He then saved the JPG file on his computer so he could use it whenever the situation called for it. Now, when he gets a copy of a document which requires his signature, whether in electronic form or in hardcopy, he can simply copy and paste the JPG file into the document. I have also tried this method and have found it to be very easy and useful. >>>> >>>> In cases in which you have to sign a document in the moment, such as a check at a restaurant or a form at a doctor's office, a stamp may be a good idea which I have never thought about. Personally, I have developed overtime a common signature which I can use in any situation. Mine consists of the letters CN (my first and last initials) followed by a "squiggly line" at the end. You will observe that my signature isn't my full written name, and that it probably wouldn't be considered to be neat handwriting. However, it is consistent and legible, so it's accepted in any professional setting. So I would advise you not to stress about writing all the letters of your name perfectly. Remember that many sighted people have very messy handwriting and that sighted people often can't make out each other's writing. As long as you have a signature which is consistent whenever you sign, you will be fine. >>>> >>>> Hope this helps, >>>> >>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>> >>>>> On Sep 18, 2018, at 8:17 AM, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear Students, >>>>> >>>>> As many of you may know, I am participating in the Independent Living Skills program at the Rehabilitation Center For The Blind And Visually in Daytona, Beach, Florida. One of the things that my parents want me to learn while I am here is how to write my name in a professional manner. My Personal Management instructor and I are working on this on a daily basis. However, she suggested that I get a stamp with my professional signature on it. What are your thoughts on this? >>>>> >>>>> Roanna Bacchus >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/royzlilye%40gmx.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40twc.com >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/royzlilye%40gmx.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lily2011a%40gmail.com From jhud7789 at twc.com Tue Sep 25 19:54:37 2018 From: jhud7789 at twc.com (joseph hudson) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 14:54:37 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Question About My Professional signature In-Reply-To: <32A39B24-7361-45CF-9E6A-65E9C469743F@gmail.com> References: <5ba0ecc1.1c69fb81.6ee83.7743@mx.google.com> <970D4941-73E9-45AE-BE1A-61B5D9AC57CE@gmx.com> <302413F7-4266-4866-BCEC-D28EA9AF3C71@twc.com> <32A39B24-7361-45CF-9E6A-65E9C469743F@gmail.com> Message-ID: I got mine done at office max and I believe it cost me $30. > On Sep 25, 2018, at 12:55 PM, Asadullina via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello Joseph, where do you get a stamp made with your signature? What’s the name of the company and how much does that usually cost? > > Thanks, > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 22, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Leye-Shprintse Oeberg via NABS-L wrote: >> >> בּס’ד >> >> Joseph, >> >> Thanks for the information, I had never heard about it before on this side of the Pond, I’m in Sweden, therefore my question. >> >> לשׁלום, >> Leye-Shprintse Oeberg >> Jönköping, Sweden >> leyeshprintse at gmail.com >> >> Sent from my iPhone SE >>> 20 sep. 2018 kl. 21:45 skrev Joseph via NABS-L : >>> >>> Are use my stamp all the time for stamping government official paperwork. So I don’t see anybody having any trouble with it. Matter fact, when they saw I was stamping my name on some paperwork and then handover hand timing it somewhere else, they actually requested that I bring my stamp and stamp the paperwork. That type of signature. Matter fact, there was one time, when my stamp I accidentally left it at home. And I did a handwritten signature. And they saw that a lot of my other paperwork was being stamped, and they asked where my stamp was. I’ve had no problems with any type of paperwork this way. >>> >>> joseph hudson >>> >>> Technology support for the blind or better known as Mack, IOS and Windows support >>> >>> FaceTime, iMessage, and email >>> >>> jhud7789 at twc.com >>> >>> Telephone/what's up messenger >>> >>> 254-300-7667 >>> >>> Twitter >>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 >>> >>> Facebook >>> >>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Sep 20, 2018, at 1:20 PM, Leye-Shprintse Oeberg via NABS-L wrote: >>>> >>>> בּס’ד >>>> >>>> Chris, >>>> >>>> What a great idea to take a picture of your signature, thanks for the tip! I also like the idea of a stamp, but I wonder if that kind of signature would be regarded as legal? I’ve only a L followed by a squiggle, but I must admit that I’ll never feel comfortable with a pen in my hand. When I was younger, I really panicked about my signature, but today, I only see it as anoother way the society is ableist. So my advice would be to not stress about it, it’s only a signature. >>>> >>>> לשׁלום, >>>> Leye-Shprintse Oeberg >>>> Jönköping, Sweden >>>> royzlilye at gmx.com >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone SE >>>> >>>>> 18 sep. 2018 kl. 18:18 skrev Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L : >>>>> >>>>> Hi Roanna: >>>>> >>>>> I actually learned a very easy way to do this from President Riccobono. When he needed to electronically sign a document, he signed his name on a blank piece of paper and asked a sighted person to take a picture of the signature. He then saved the JPG file on his computer so he could use it whenever the situation called for it. Now, when he gets a copy of a document which requires his signature, whether in electronic form or in hardcopy, he can simply copy and paste the JPG file into the document. I have also tried this method and have found it to be very easy and useful. >>>>> >>>>> In cases in which you have to sign a document in the moment, such as a check at a restaurant or a form at a doctor's office, a stamp may be a good idea which I have never thought about. Personally, I have developed overtime a common signature which I can use in any situation. Mine consists of the letters CN (my first and last initials) followed by a "squiggly line" at the end. You will observe that my signature isn't my full written name, and that it probably wouldn't be considered to be neat handwriting. However, it is consistent and legible, so it's accepted in any professional setting. So I would advise you not to stress about writing all the letters of your name perfectly. Remember that many sighted people have very messy handwriting and that sighted people often can't make out each other's writing. As long as you have a signature which is consistent whenever you sign, you will be fine. >>>>> >>>>> Hope this helps, >>>>> >>>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 18, 2018, at 8:17 AM, Roanna Bacchus via NABS-L wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Students, >>>>>> >>>>>> As many of you may know, I am participating in the Independent Living Skills program at the Rehabilitation Center For The Blind And Visually in Daytona, Beach, Florida. One of the things that my parents want me to learn while I am here is how to write my name in a professional manner. My Personal Management instructor and I are working on this on a daily basis. However, she suggested that I get a stamp with my professional signature on it. What are your thoughts on this? >>>>>> >>>>>> Roanna Bacchus >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/royzlilye%40gmx.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40twc.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/royzlilye%40gmx.com >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lily2011a%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40twc.com From philso1003 at gmail.com Tue Sep 25 21:11:11 2018 From: philso1003 at gmail.com (Phil) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 17:11:11 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Free webinar: Advocating Your Governor on Jobs for People with Disabilities (learn techniques and key lessons) Message-ID: Hello everyone, Other disability leaders and students appreciate it when I tell them about this upcoming webinar. You might also find it valuable. Please feel free to share. Free Webinar: Advocating Your Governor on Jobs for People with Disabilities Date: September 26 Wednesday Time: 1:30PM U.S. Eastern Time Leaders at the state level are critical to empower job seekers with disabilities to strive for work and secure a better future. We need to encourage our governors to lead on these issues. RespectAbility presents this webinar with its president Jennifer Mizrahi and director Philip Kahn-Pauli to share key advocacy lessons about how to write persuasively, how to present public testimony and where to find key resources on jobs for people with disabilities. You can find more details and registration information at: https://m.facebook.com/events/2156901914630835?refid=46&__xts__%5B0%5D=12.%7B%22unit_id_click_type%22%3A%22graph_search_results_item_tapped%22%2C%22click_type%22%3A%22result%22%2C%22module_id%22%3A1%2C%22result_id%22%3A2156901914630835%2C%22session_id%22%3A%2210130f35db8dfe9fd8cc1caa11844eaf%22%2C%22module_role%22%3A%22ENTITY_EVENTS%22%2C%22unit_id%22%3A%22browse_rl%3A24aae3b9-ae2e-bda1-e8fb-13d183bc0154%22%2C%22browse_result_type%22%3A%22browse_type_event%22%2C%22unit_id_result_id%22%3A2156901914630835%2C%22module_result_position%22%3A0%7D Think of it like a watch party on Facebook! Best, Phil From matthewhgip at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 02:40:16 2018 From: matthewhgip at gmail.com (Matthew Gip) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 19:40:16 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Join Outreach Committee Call Next Monday, October 1st at 9 pm eastern Message-ID: Dear Students, How many of you love our national student division? Do you want to show how much you love NABS by spreading that love to people who’s never heard of NABS and wants to be apart of our huge family and build membership? With that said, if you said yes to any of those questions, I would like to invite y’all to our next Outreach Committee Call, next Monday, October 1st, at 9 pm. We will be discussing how to improve our monthly NABS Notes, Meet the Blind Month for October, and other fun outreach projects as we strive to reach our goal in our movement. Come with your enthusiasm, dedication, and passion; remember, we are all here for each other and we are all working together. See you all next Monday! Call: (712) 770-5197 Access Code: 265669 Feel free to reach out if you have any questions or concerns. Best, Janae Burgmeier, Melissa Carney, Elizabeth Sheeler, Johna Wright, and Matt Gip NABS Outreach Leadership Matthew Gip President | California Association of Blind Students A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind of California Co-Chair | National Association of Blind Students Outreach Committee Phone: (559) 375-2068 Email: matthewhgip at gmail.com From ljmaher03 at outlook.com Fri Sep 28 19:49:37 2018 From: ljmaher03 at outlook.com (Louis Maher) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 19:49:37 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Call for Speakers for A Phone Conference on How Students Can Do Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics (STEM) Message-ID: Folks, The Science and Engineering Division of the National Federation of the Blind and the National Association of Blind Students will present a joint phone conference on how blind professionals, and blind college and graduate students are succeeding in courses to do with science, technology, engineering, and mathematics. The call-in number will be the NABS conference line 712-770-5197, Participant Access Code: 265669. The call will occur at 8 PM EST through 9 PM EST on Sunday, February 24, 2019. Topics will be of interest for blind students in middle school, high school, college and graduate school and professionals. Parents of blind school-aged children and educators are also welcome. Some portion of the presentation will address how to succeed in a laboratory setting. If you are interested in giving an approximately ten-minute STEM-related talk, please contact Louis Maher (713-444-7838, ljmaher03 at outlook.com) with your topic. Thank you. Regards Louis Maher Phone: 713-444-7838 E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com From rosz1878 at fredonia.edu Fri Sep 28 22:36:43 2018 From: rosz1878 at fredonia.edu (Lisa E Roszyk) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 15:36:43 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] FWD NABS Phone Conference on How Students Can Do Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics (STEM) Message-ID: Hi Beth, I hope your enjoying your Friday. I'm hoping to be able to at least attend this if not participate in it directly. However it made me think of how this might be helpful for CBVH counsolers or clients. Lisa On Fri, Sep 28, 2018, 12:51 PM Louis Maher via NABS-L wrote: > Folks, > > The Science and Engineering Division of the National Federation of the > Blind and the National Association of Blind Students will present a joint > phone conference on how blind professionals, and blind college and graduate > students are succeeding in courses to do with science, technology, > engineering, and mathematics. The call-in number will be the NABS > conference line 712-770-5197, Participant Access Code: 265669. The call > will occur at 8 PM EST through 9 PM EST on Sunday, February 24, 2019. > Topics will be of interest for blind students in middle school, high > school, college and graduate school and professionals. Parents of blind > school-aged children and educators are also welcome. Some portion of the > presentation will address how to succeed in a laboratory setting. > > If you are interested in giving an approximately ten-minute STEM-related > talk, please contact Louis Maher (713-444-7838, ljmaher03 at outlook.com > ) with your topic. > > Thank you. > > Regards > Louis Maher > Phone: 713-444-7838 > E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rosz1878%40fredonia.edu > From matthewhgip at gmail.com Sat Sep 29 16:00:25 2018 From: matthewhgip at gmail.com (Matthew Gip) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 09:00:25 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Reminder: Membership Call Tomorrow at 8 pm eastern Message-ID: <4915A2DE-132F-4694-B69C-DB646FF586AF@gmail.com> Greetings students! This is a friendly reminder that the NABS membership call will take place at 8 pm eastern tomorrow, September 30th. NABS Secretary Melissa Carney will be facilitating the call. We will have several speakers talking about employment so please be ready to ask some great questions and participate in an engaging conversation about unique careers a blind person might have. Call: (712) 770-5197 Access code: 265669 We will see you tomorrow! Best, Janae Burgmeier, Melissa Carney, Elizabeth Sheeler, Johna Wright, and Matt Gip NABS Outreach Leadership Matthew Gip President | California Association of Blind Students A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind of California Co-chair | National Association of Blind Students Outreach Committee Phone: (559) 375-2068 Email: matthewhgip at gmail.com Live The Life You Want! From matthewhgip at gmail.com Sat Sep 29 16:47:43 2018 From: matthewhgip at gmail.com (Matthew Gip) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 09:47:43 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Reminder: Join Membership Call Tomorrow at 8 pm eastern Message-ID: Greetings students! This is a friendly reminder that the membership call will take place at 8 pm eastern tomorrow, September 30th. NABS Secretary Melissa Carney will be facilitating the call. We will have several speakers talking about employment so please be ready to ask some great questions and participate in an engaging conversation about unique careers a blind person might have. Call: (712) 770-5197 Access Code: 265669 Best, Janae Burgmeier, Melissa Carney, Elizabeth Sheeler, Johna Wright, and Matt Gip NABS Outreach Leadership Matthew Gip President | California Association of Blind Students A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind of California Co-chair | National Association of Blind Students Outreach Committee Phone: (559) 375-2068 Email: matthewhgip at gmail.com Live The Life You Want! From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Sun Sep 30 22:04:15 2018 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 18:04:15 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] NFB National Convention Next Year Message-ID: Hi all! How are you all? This is Helga. I understand that the NFB National Convention will be held next year in Las Vegas. I have a friend from the UK-United Kigdom that will like to come next year to the Convention. He is also visually impaired. My question is, is it possible for him to come to the Convention as a first timer? Is there any scholarships that he can apply to be able to come? I’m just wondering since he is from another country. Who do I contact in order to ask this sort of question? Just wondering. My friend just would like to come. I’m not so sure if he can use the NFB rates as well. I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks so much! Helga Schreiber Group Moderator for the IPad help for the Blind IPadhelpfortheblind+subscribe at groups.io Admin of World Wide Friends Text: If you want to chat and make new friends, feel free to join a WhatsApp group called World Wide Friends Text, where people with hearing lost and who are blind can freely communicate by text only! ‎Open this link to join my WhatsApp group: https://chat.whatsapp.com/5yDqxdAPgEJKAhFWlRh13D Member of the National Federation of the Blind and board member of the Florida Association of Blind Students http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/fabs_nfbnet.org The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. Phone: (561) 203-9266 . iMessaging Contact: helga.schreiber at hotmail.com Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Skype: helga.schreiber26 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.3.3 From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com Sun Sep 30 22:21:31 2018 From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 18:21:31 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] NFB National Convention Next Year In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87951FBB-C95C-4FD9-A1C1-C3B560B6B849@gmail.com> That's a very good question. I would imagine that he could apply for a Jernigan scholarship, but I'm not sure if they would be willing to pay for international airfare. My best suggestion would be to send President Riccobono an email at officeofthepresident at nfb.org. Since the first-timers programs are run out of the national office, he will know where to direct you to. Chris Nusbaum > On Sep 30, 2018, at 6:04 PM, Helga Schreiber via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi all! How are you all? This is Helga. I understand that the NFB National Convention will be held next year in Las Vegas. I have a friend from the UK-United Kigdom that will like to come next year to the Convention. He is also visually impaired. My question is, is it possible for him to come to the Convention as a first timer? Is there any scholarships that he can apply to be able to come? I’m just wondering since he is from another country. Who do I contact in order to ask this sort of question? Just wondering. My friend just would like to come. I’m not so sure if he can use the NFB rates as well. I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks so much! > > Helga Schreiber > Group Moderator > > for the IPad help for the Blind > IPadhelpfortheblind+subscribe at groups.io > > Admin of World Wide Friends Text: If you want to chat and make new friends, feel free to join a WhatsApp group called World Wide Friends Text, where people with hearing lost and who are blind can freely communicate by text only! > ‎Open this link to join my WhatsApp group: > https://chat.whatsapp.com/5yDqxdAPgEJKAhFWlRh13D > Member of the National Federation of the Blind and board member of the Florida Association of Blind Students > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/fabs_nfbnet.org > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. > Phone: (561) 203-9266 > . > > > iMessaging Contact: helga.schreiber at hotmail.com > > Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com > Skype: helga.schreiber26 > > > "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 > Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.3.3 > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%40gmail.com From leena.salim at gmail.com Sun Sep 30 22:24:34 2018 From: leena.salim at gmail.com (Leena Bandy) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 18:24:34 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] NFB National Convention Next Year Message-ID: <20180930222434.leena.salim@gmail.com> You can also ask Adrijana. She did a lot of research on this last year when she was a first-timer. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date: Sunday, September 30, 2018 6:22 pm Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NFB National Convention Next Year > > > That's a very good question. I would imagine that he could apply for a Jernigan scholarship, but I'm not sure if they would be willing to pay for international airfare. My best suggestion would be to send President Riccobono an email at officeofthepresident at nfb.org. Since the first-timers programs are run out of the national office, he will know where to direct you to. > > Chris Nusbaum > > > On Sep 30, 2018, at 6:04 PM, Helga Schreiber via NABS-L wrote: > > > > Hi all! How are you all? This is Helga. I understand that the NFB National Convention will be held next year in Las Vegas. I have a friend from the UK-United Kigdom that will like to come next year to the Convention. He is also visually impaired. My question is, is it possible for him to come to the Convention as a first timer? Is there any scholarships that he can apply to be able to come? I'm just wondering since he is from another country. Who do I contact in order to ask this sort of question? Just wondering. My friend just would like to come. I'm not so sure if he can use the NFB rates as well. I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks so much! > > > > Helga Schreiber > > Group Moderator > > > > for the IPad help for the Blind > > IPadhelpfortheblind+subscribe at groups.io > > > > Admin of World Wide Friends Text: If you want to chat and make new friends, feel free to join a WhatsApp group called World Wide Friends Text, where people with hearing lost and who are blind can freely communicate by text only! > > ?Open this link to join my WhatsApp group: > > https://chat.whatsapp.com/5yDqxdAPgEJKAhFWlRh13D > > Member of the National Federation of the Blind and board member of the Florida Association of Blind Students > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/fabs_nfbnet.org > > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. > > Phone: (561) 203-9266 > > . > > > > > > iMessaging Contact: helga.schreiber at hotmail.com > > > > Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com > > Skype: helga.schreiber26 > > > > > > "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 > > Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.3.3 > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gmail.com > From cory.j.mcmahon at gmail.com Sun Sep 30 22:56:41 2018 From: cory.j.mcmahon at gmail.com (Cory McMahon) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 17:56:41 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] NFB National Convention Next Year In-Reply-To: <20180930222434.leena.salim@gmail.com> References: <20180930222434.leena.salim@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0d3b01d45910$dac52910$904f7b30$@gmail.com> Hopefully, you're friend will be able to come to the convension! -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Leena Bandy via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 5:25 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: Leena Bandy Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NFB National Convention Next Year You can also ask Adrijana. She did a lot of research on this last year when she was a first-timer. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date: Sunday, September 30, 2018 6:22 pm Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NFB National Convention Next Year > > > That's a very good question. I would imagine that he could apply for a Jernigan scholarship, but I'm not sure if they would be willing to pay for international airfare. My best suggestion would be to send President Riccobono an email at officeofthepresident at nfb.org. Since the first-timers programs are run out of the national office, he will know where to direct you to. > > Chris Nusbaum > > > On Sep 30, 2018, at 6:04 PM, Helga Schreiber via NABS-L wrote: > > > > Hi all! How are you all? This is Helga. I understand that the NFB National Convention will be held next year in Las Vegas. I have a friend from the UK-United Kigdom that will like to come next year to the Convention. He is also visually impaired. My question is, is it possible for him to come to the Convention as a first timer? Is there any scholarships that he can apply to be able to come? I'm just wondering since he is from another country. Who do I contact in order to ask this sort of question? Just wondering. My friend just would like to come. I'm not so sure if he can use the NFB rates as well. I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks so much! > > > > Helga Schreiber > > Group Moderator > > > > for the IPad help for the Blind > > IPadhelpfortheblind+subscribe at groups.io > > > > Admin of World Wide Friends Text: If you want to chat and make new friends, feel free to join a WhatsApp group called World Wide Friends Text, where people with hearing lost and who are blind can freely communicate by text only! > > ?Open this link to join my WhatsApp group: > > https://chat.whatsapp.com/5yDqxdAPgEJKAhFWlRh13D > > Member of the National Federation of the Blind and board member of > > the Florida Association of Blind Students > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/fabs_nfbnet.org > > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. > > Phone: (561) 203-9266 > > . > > > > > > iMessaging Contact: helga.schreiber at hotmail.com > > > > Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com > > Skype: helga.schreiber26 > > > > > > "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that > > whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." > > John 3:16 Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.3.3 > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%40gm > > ail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gmai > l.com > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cory.j.mcmahon%40gmail.c om From nabs.president at gmail.com Sun Sep 30 23:42:03 2018 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (President, NABS | Kathryn Webster) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 19:42:03 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] NFB National Convention Next Year In-Reply-To: <0d3b01d45910$dac52910$904f7b30$@gmail.com> References: <20180930222434.leena.salim@gmail.com> <0d3b01d45910$dac52910$904f7b30$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <014601d45917$316b1c10$94415430$@gmail.com> Hi Helga!! I am so excited to hear of this! I would love to connect with your friend in the UK. He would absolutely be able to use the hotel NFB rates, and registration, etc. I am uncertain of whether he could be eligible for the Jernigan scholarship, but am leaning toward not. Thanks so much for your outreach! Love, Kathryn Kathryn C. Webster President | National Association of Blind Students A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind (203) 273-8463 Nabs.president at gmail.com | www.nabslink.org -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cory McMahon via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 6:57 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Cory McMahon Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NFB National Convention Next Year Hopefully, your friend will be able to come to the convention! -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Leena Bandy via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 5:25 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: Leena Bandy Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NFB National Convention Next Year You can also ask Adriana. She did a lot of research on this last year when she was a first-timer. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date: Sunday, September 30, 2018 6:22 pm Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NFB National Convention Next Year > > > That's a very good question. I would imagine that he could apply for a Jernigan scholarship, but I'm not sure if they would be willing to pay for international airfare. My best suggestion would be to send President Riccobono an email at officeofthepresident at nfb.org. Since the first-timers programs are run out of the national office, he will know where to direct you to. > > Chris Nusbaum > > > On Sep 30, 2018, at 6:04 PM, Helga Schreiber via NABS-L wrote: > > > > Hi all! How are you all? This is Helga. I understand that the NFB National Convention will be held next year in Las Vegas. I have a friend from the UK-United Kingdom that will like to come next year to the Convention. He is also visually impaired. My question is, is it possible for him to come to the Convention as a first timer? Is there any scholarships that he can apply to be able to come? I'm just wondering since he is from another country. Who do I contact in order to ask this sort of question? Just wondering. My friend just would like to come. I'm not so sure if he can use the NFB rates as well. I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks so much! > > > > Helga Schreiber > > Group Moderator > > > > for the iPad help for the Blind > > IPadhelpfortheblind+subscribe at groups.io > > > > Admin of World Wide Friends Text: If you want to chat and make new friends, feel free to join a WhatsApp group called World Wide Friends Text, where people with hearing lost and who are blind can freely communicate by text only! > > ?Open this link to join my WhatsApp group: > > https://chat.whatsapp.com/5yDqxdAPgEJKAhFWlRh13D > > Member of the National Federation of the Blind and board member of > > the Florida Association of Blind Students > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/fabs_nfbnet.org > > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. > > Phone: (561) 203-9266 > > . > > > > > > messaging Contact: helga.schreiber at hotmail.com > > > > Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com > > Skype: helga.schreiber26 > > > > > > "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that > > whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." > > John 3:16 Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.3.3 > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > for NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%40gm > > ail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gmai > l.com > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cory.j.mcmahon%40gmail.c om _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.c om