From singingemmanuelle at gmail.com  Thu Aug  1 02:45:29 2019
From: singingemmanuelle at gmail.com (Emmanuelle Lo)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 22:45:29 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Spatial Orientation Experiences
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Hi Amy,

I think this is a really interesting discussion. I was also born blind, though I could see light and colors when I was younger. When I think about how to get around, I don't literally see images in my head, but I also don't use words to figure out where to go. I imagine myself walking, but it's from the first person perspective. For example, when I think about going from my dorm room to the cafeteria, I remember myself walking out the door, turning left when I find the intersecting sidewalk, walking straight uphill, then veering slightly right, then going downhill. So I'm basically reliving the memory of walking the route. This definitely doesn't happen right away, though, and I have to practice a lot of times before I can remember what to do this clearly. I've found that, since being on a college campus and frequently needing to get to places I haven't walked to with my O&M instructor, I've started to pay more and more attention to not only landmarks, but also changes in the paths (uphill, downhill, etc.) and LOTS of sound cues. The rest of my method involves getting lost and asking directions a bunch of times until my mental map/memory of that new route starts to develop. 

I hope this explanation made some sense. Best of luck to you. I know how frustrating O&M can be sometimes.

Cheers!
Emmie


> On Jul 30, 2019, at 9:28 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Amy,
> I think talking about this is very helpful. I've just sent you an email off-list... Hope it worked.
> Thanks,
> Vejas 
> 
>> On 30 Jul 2019, at 05:16, Amy Albin via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>> 
>> I guess the reason I'm so curious is because I think my spatial issues
>> are not simply caused by total blindness, not something experienced by
>> everyone totally blind since birth.
>> 
>>> On 7/30/19, Amy Albin <amyralbin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Thanks for your answers, Vejas. It does seem like we have similar
>>> challenges.
>>> 
>>> I just am really curious if people think the same way I do. So, Vejas,
>>> is what I described the same way you think? I'm just curious. Like I
>>> really can't do any mental imagery at all.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the answers.
>>> 
>>> And outlets have been hard for me too.
>>> 
>>>> On 7/29/19, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hi Amy,
>>>> Yes, I had trouble with all of that.
>>>> Some things are still rather challenging, but I've learned to live with
>>>> it.
>>>> Sometimes I just have to "play around" with something to get it to work.
>>>> For
>>>> example, I find plugging things into outlets can be hard. I just try
>>>> different outlets of various angles until I get it.
>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>> Vejas
>>>>> On 29 Jul 2019, at 18:19, Amy Albin via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks, Vejas.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also, out of curiosity, did you have trouble as a kid with things like
>>>>> buttoning, tying shoes, etc?
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 7/29/19, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Amy,
>>>>>> I'm also totally blind and had always had issues with spatial
>>>>>> orientation.
>>>>>> I find it difficult to create mental maps. Tactile maps aren't helpful
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> me because I can't translate the page into my mental map, although if
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> work for you that's great.
>>>>>> What helps me is to write a route down. For example, this week I have
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> intensive program on a campus I have been to, but that is in a building
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> haven't. My mom and I went to the campus ahead of time and did it a
>>>>>> couple
>>>>>> times. I took intensive notes on what to do and where to turn. This
>>>>>> way,
>>>>>> even though I can't necessarily remember the whole route yet, I still
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> the notes that I can rely on.
>>>>>> Of course, if you get lost you can always feel free to ask for help if
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> can't find it, but this can really maxime your independence and boost
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> confidence.
>>>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>>>> Vejas
>>>>>>> On 29 Jul 2019, at 15:19, Amy Albin via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I know that spatial orientation has been discussed on here before, but
>>>>>>> I was just curious if anyone’s experiences are similar to mine. I’ve
>>>>>>> been totally blind since birth.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So the way I am, I can't make a mental map. I think in words rather
>>>>>>> than pictures. So for instance, if you told me to imagine I'm facing
>>>>>>> my desk, then asked where is my bedroom door. I don't actually imagine
>>>>>>> the desk and how I turn to get to the door, even though I've lived
>>>>>>> here long enough I do it automatically. Instead I think, hmm. I know
>>>>>>> the desk is on the west wall, and the door is on the north wall. North
>>>>>>> is to the right of west, so therefore the door is to my right.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It's like instead of just picturing my bedroom, I have to solve a
>>>>>>> logic puzzle in my head, and I do it completely verbally. So if that
>>>>>>> is for my tiny bedroom, you can imagine how it is for a big hotel or a
>>>>>>> college campus. And then, well, the campus zig zags. So you can't just
>>>>>>> walk north, or make sensible 90 degree turns at actual defined
>>>>>>> corners. It's north, west, back north, now a little northwest... So
>>>>>>> then I just follow landmarks. But when I do left and right, I don't
>>>>>>> get the full idea because left and right change relative to the
>>>>>>> person, so I'd much rather use cardinal directions.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I compensate by learning routes and taking notes I can study like a
>>>>>>> cookbook recipe. Like:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 1. Leave the student center at the back exit.
>>>>>>> 2. With the door behind me, walk forward and to the left, diagnol
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> 10
>>>>>>> feet.
>>>>>>> 3. Follow the benches on the left. It's one bench, a garbage can, then
>>>>>>> another bench... And so on.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> But when I'm writing that description of a college campus, I'm not
>>>>>>> really picturing myself walking out the door and doing that, or if I
>>>>>>> am, the image is extremely dim. It's all the words that I wrote that
>>>>>>> are the way I think about it.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I am working with a wonderful teacher to help me learn spatial
>>>>>>> concepts. However, if anyone has similar experiences and/or
>>>>>>> suggestions, they would be greatly appreciated!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Amy Albin
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list
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>>>>>> 
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From elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com  Thu Aug  1 11:00:58 2019
From: elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com (Elizabeth Rouse)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 06:00:58 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] =?utf-8?q?Fantasy_Football!_=F0=9F=8F=88?=
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 What’s up, NABS!
The fundraising committee is excited to announce the return of a Federation
favorite! This year, we will have five fantasy football leagues. Drafts
 will take place at the end of this month as the season’s beginning is
almost upon us. Registration for each participant is $25…
Did I mention if you win your league you win $100???
Please contact me if you are interested in participating. I will put you in
contact with one of our five league commissioners.
Let’s get competitive,
Elizabeth
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563-210-1854

From amyralbin at gmail.com  Thu Aug  1 13:36:28 2019
From: amyralbin at gmail.com (Amy Albin)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 09:36:28 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Spatial Orientation Experiences
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Hi Emmie,

Yeah, thanks for responding!

On 7/31/19, Emmanuelle Lo via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Amy,
>
> I think this is a really interesting discussion. I was also born blind,
> though I could see light and colors when I was younger. When I think about
> how to get around, I don't literally see images in my head, but I also don't
> use words to figure out where to go. I imagine myself walking, but it's from
> the first person perspective. For example, when I think about going from my
> dorm room to the cafeteria, I remember myself walking out the door, turning
> left when I find the intersecting sidewalk, walking straight uphill, then
> veering slightly right, then going downhill. So I'm basically reliving the
> memory of walking the route. This definitely doesn't happen right away,
> though, and I have to practice a lot of times before I can remember what to
> do this clearly. I've found that, since being on a college campus and
> frequently needing to get to places I haven't walked to with my O&M
> instructor, I've started to pay more and more attention to not only
> landmarks, but also changes in the paths (uphill, downhill, etc.) and LOTS
> of sound cues. The rest of my method involves getting lost and asking
> directions a bunch of times until my mental map/memory of that new route
> starts to develop.
>
> I hope this explanation made some sense. Best of luck to you. I know how
> frustrating O&M can be sometimes.
>
> Cheers!
> Emmie
>
>
>> On Jul 30, 2019, at 9:28 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Amy,
>> I think talking about this is very helpful. I've just sent you an email
>> off-list... Hope it worked.
>> Thanks,
>> Vejas
>>
>>> On 30 Jul 2019, at 05:16, Amy Albin via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I guess the reason I'm so curious is because I think my spatial issues
>>> are not simply caused by total blindness, not something experienced by
>>> everyone totally blind since birth.
>>>
>>>> On 7/30/19, Amy Albin <amyralbin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Thanks for your answers, Vejas. It does seem like we have similar
>>>> challenges.
>>>>
>>>> I just am really curious if people think the same way I do. So, Vejas,
>>>> is what I described the same way you think? I'm just curious. Like I
>>>> really can't do any mental imagery at all.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the answers.
>>>>
>>>> And outlets have been hard for me too.
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/29/19, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Amy,
>>>>> Yes, I had trouble with all of that.
>>>>> Some things are still rather challenging, but I've learned to live with
>>>>> it.
>>>>> Sometimes I just have to "play around" with something to get it to
>>>>> work.
>>>>> For
>>>>> example, I find plugging things into outlets can be hard. I just try
>>>>> different outlets of various angles until I get it.
>>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>>> Vejas
>>>>>> On 29 Jul 2019, at 18:19, Amy Albin via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, Vejas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, out of curiosity, did you have trouble as a kid with things like
>>>>>> buttoning, tying shoes, etc?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/29/19, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Amy,
>>>>>>> I'm also totally blind and had always had issues with spatial
>>>>>>> orientation.
>>>>>>> I find it difficult to create mental maps. Tactile maps aren't
>>>>>>> helpful
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> me because I can't translate the page into my mental map, although if
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> work for you that's great.
>>>>>>> What helps me is to write a route down. For example, this week I have
>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>> intensive program on a campus I have been to, but that is in a
>>>>>>> building
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> haven't. My mom and I went to the campus ahead of time and did it a
>>>>>>> couple
>>>>>>> times. I took intensive notes on what to do and where to turn. This
>>>>>>> way,
>>>>>>> even though I can't necessarily remember the whole route yet, I still
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> the notes that I can rely on.
>>>>>>> Of course, if you get lost you can always feel free to ask for help
>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> can't find it, but this can really maxime your independence and boost
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> confidence.
>>>>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>>>>> Vejas
>>>>>>>> On 29 Jul 2019, at 15:19, Amy Albin via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know that spatial orientation has been discussed on here before,
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> I was just curious if anyone’s experiences are similar to mine. I’ve
>>>>>>>> been totally blind since birth.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So the way I am, I can't make a mental map. I think in words rather
>>>>>>>> than pictures. So for instance, if you told me to imagine I'm facing
>>>>>>>> my desk, then asked where is my bedroom door. I don't actually
>>>>>>>> imagine
>>>>>>>> the desk and how I turn to get to the door, even though I've lived
>>>>>>>> here long enough I do it automatically. Instead I think, hmm. I know
>>>>>>>> the desk is on the west wall, and the door is on the north wall.
>>>>>>>> North
>>>>>>>> is to the right of west, so therefore the door is to my right.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's like instead of just picturing my bedroom, I have to solve a
>>>>>>>> logic puzzle in my head, and I do it completely verbally. So if that
>>>>>>>> is for my tiny bedroom, you can imagine how it is for a big hotel or
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> college campus. And then, well, the campus zig zags. So you can't
>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>> walk north, or make sensible 90 degree turns at actual defined
>>>>>>>> corners. It's north, west, back north, now a little northwest... So
>>>>>>>> then I just follow landmarks. But when I do left and right, I don't
>>>>>>>> get the full idea because left and right change relative to the
>>>>>>>> person, so I'd much rather use cardinal directions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I compensate by learning routes and taking notes I can study like a
>>>>>>>> cookbook recipe. Like:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. Leave the student center at the back exit.
>>>>>>>> 2. With the door behind me, walk forward and to the left, diagnol
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> 10
>>>>>>>> feet.
>>>>>>>> 3. Follow the benches on the left. It's one bench, a garbage can,
>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>> another bench... And so on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But when I'm writing that description of a college campus, I'm not
>>>>>>>> really picturing myself walking out the door and doing that, or if I
>>>>>>>> am, the image is extremely dim. It's all the words that I wrote that
>>>>>>>> are the way I think about it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am working with a wonderful teacher to help me learn spatial
>>>>>>>> concepts. However, if anyone has similar experiences and/or
>>>>>>>> suggestions, they would be greatly appreciated!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Amy Albin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> NABS-L:
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list
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>>>>>
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From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  1 18:07:24 2019
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 19:07:24 +0100
Subject: [NABS-L] Studying Abroad as a Visually Impaired Student
Message-ID: <CADFycPbaYdWBweUdwHd16-Sk9tstPCWd5ZjCWkXestipvUzyDw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

Some of us are putting together an informal guide for visually
impaired students aspiring to study abroad. While this is primarily
aimed at addressing the concerns of students with disabilities from
India, many of the ideas and resources that we share in the guide will
potentially be useful to other VI students as well. This being the
case, I'd be grateful if you could take a couple of minutes to fill up
this short form:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScve6bFIDktFY41L916mgRxTgXoCLKdn1sqkEfFpYQmjNedGg/viewform?fbclid=IwAR3YZXmtVYgZUfg5PF9JEFAS3Z69zJGeYmYNDz3Yw3G6fzQxZcy4wj85P44

It will remain open till the end of tomorrow i.e. Friday, 12 AM Indian
Standard Time. Thank you.

Best,
Rahul


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Candidate for the BCL
Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018)
University of Oxford


From martinezana770 at gmail.com  Fri Aug  2 00:44:01 2019
From: martinezana770 at gmail.com (Ana Martinez)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 19:44:01 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Nabs diversity and inclusion committee
Message-ID: <CAPMxSt1LRaSGuEzRpbDF49jmD51Dry12MMUe303ikggw5724gA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Nabs! You are invited to the first call of the Nabs diversity
and inclusion committee! 😊 I’m excited to get this committee started
and to work along side you. This year the committee will focus on
Making Nabs a more welcoming division to students with diverse
cultural backgrounds, students who are blind and have additional
disabilities, and This committee will ensure that students from any
religion can have a safe space to share and to freely express their
religious believes.
If you identify with any of this issues, or if you would like to learn
more, join us this Sunday at 8pm eastern!!


From lily2011a at gmail.com  Fri Aug  2 00:59:15 2019
From: lily2011a at gmail.com (lily2011a at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 20:59:15 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Nabs diversity and inclusion committee
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Hi Ana,
I think this is a beautiful idea! I am glad that you are helping create an inclusive environment within the organization. What is the phone number to the conference and what is the access code? 
Thanks a bunch, 
Lily
Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 1, 2019, at 8:44 PM, Ana Martinez via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Nabs! You are invited to the first call of the Nabs diversity
> and inclusion committee! 😊 I’m excited to get this committee started
> and to work along side you. This year the committee will focus on
> Making Nabs a more welcoming division to students with diverse
> cultural backgrounds, students who are blind and have additional
> disabilities, and This committee will ensure that students from any
> religion can have a safe space to share and to freely express their
> religious believes.
> If you identify with any of this issues, or if you would like to learn
> more, join us this Sunday at 8pm eastern!!
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lily2011a%40gmail.com


From truewise.8614 at gmail.com  Fri Aug  2 01:18:29 2019
From: truewise.8614 at gmail.com (Vanna Song)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 18:18:29 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] Nabs diversity and inclusion committee
In-Reply-To: <76E8A522-EC7F-4585-BB65-2F08D066DC99@gmail.com>
References: <CAPMxSt1LRaSGuEzRpbDF49jmD51Dry12MMUe303ikggw5724gA@mail.gmail.com>
	<76E8A522-EC7F-4585-BB65-2F08D066DC99@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOrr3bP061Myj+kdxNtJHFWQbmth54Eizdhtw977xgdUWbHQgA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ana,

I was a part of something similar at my university and also did some
work along similar lines at an organization in DC a couple summers
ago. I think diversity and inclusion are a couple very important
points to touch on.

Vanna

On 8/1/19, Asadullina via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Ana,
> I think this is a beautiful idea! I am glad that you are helping create an
> inclusive environment within the organization. What is the phone number to
> the conference and what is the access code?
> Thanks a bunch,
> Lily
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 1, 2019, at 8:44 PM, Ana Martinez via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Nabs! You are invited to the first call of the Nabs diversity
>> and inclusion committee! 😊 I’m excited to get this committee started
>> and to work along side you. This year the committee will focus on
>> Making Nabs a more welcoming division to students with diverse
>> cultural backgrounds, students who are blind and have additional
>> disabilities, and This committee will ensure that students from any
>> religion can have a safe space to share and to freely express their
>> religious believes.
>> If you identify with any of this issues, or if you would like to learn
>> more, join us this Sunday at 8pm eastern!!
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lily2011a%40gmail.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NABS-L:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/truewise.8614%40gmail.com
>


From nabs.president at gmail.com  Fri Aug  2 01:29:55 2019
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster, National Student President)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 21:29:55 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Nabs diversity and inclusion committee Sunday at 8pm
 eastern
Message-ID: <021201d548d1$cadd1970$60974c50$@gmail.com>

So pumped you are interested!

Call: 712-770-5197,,265669#

Love,
Kathryn

Kathryn C. Webster
President | National Association of Blind Students
A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind
Nabs.president at gmail.com
www.nabslink.org

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Asadullina via NABS-L
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:59 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: lily2011a at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Nabs diversity and inclusion committee

Hi Ana,
I think this is a beautiful idea! I am glad that you are helping create an inclusive environment within the organization. What is the phone number to the conference and what is the access code? 
Thanks a bunch,
Lily
Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 1, 2019, at 8:44 PM, Ana Martinez via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Nabs! You are invited to the first call of the Nabs diversity 
> and inclusion committee! 😊 I’m excited to get this committee started 
> and to work along side you. This year the committee will focus on 
> Making Nabs a more welcoming division to students with diverse 
> cultural backgrounds, students who are blind and have additional 
> disabilities, and This committee will ensure that students from any 
> religion can have a safe space to share and to freely express their 
> religious believes.
> If you identify with any of this issues, or if you would like to learn 
> more, join us this Sunday at 8pm eastern!!
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lily2011a%40gmail.
> com

_______________________________________________
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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
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From amyralbin at gmail.com  Fri Aug  2 07:48:34 2019
From: amyralbin at gmail.com (Amy Albin)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 03:48:34 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Nabs diversity and inclusion committee Sunday at 8pm
 eastern
In-Reply-To: <021201d548d1$cadd1970$60974c50$@gmail.com>
References: <021201d548d1$cadd1970$60974c50$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAC5mtjFm2=GxScM2DnU5Jo=oKMLcGA-3JGwjCAGjXNscsgHPpQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Kathryn,

I think the Diversity and Inclusion Committee is great!

However, I didn't send an e-mail to you about it. I sent an e-mail to
Justin about the Legislation Committee.

Best,

Amy

On 8/1/19, Kathryn Webster, National Student President via NABS-L
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> So pumped you are interested!
>
> Call: 712-770-5197,,265669#
>
> Love,
> Kathryn
>
> Kathryn C. Webster
> President | National Association of Blind Students
> A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind
> Nabs.president at gmail.com
> www.nabslink.org
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Asadullina via NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:59 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: lily2011a at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Nabs diversity and inclusion committee
>
> Hi Ana,
> I think this is a beautiful idea! I am glad that you are helping create an
> inclusive environment within the organization. What is the phone number to
> the conference and what is the access code?
> Thanks a bunch,
> Lily
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 1, 2019, at 8:44 PM, Ana Martinez via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Nabs! You are invited to the first call of the Nabs diversity
>> and inclusion committee! 😊 I’m excited to get this committee started
>> and to work along side you. This year the committee will focus on
>> Making Nabs a more welcoming division to students with diverse
>> cultural backgrounds, students who are blind and have additional
>> disabilities, and This committee will ensure that students from any
>> religion can have a safe space to share and to freely express their
>> religious believes.
>> If you identify with any of this issues, or if you would like to learn
>> more, join us this Sunday at 8pm eastern!!
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lily2011a%40gmail.
>> com
>
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NABS-L:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com
>
>
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>


From nabs.president at gmail.com  Fri Aug  2 11:30:33 2019
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster, National Student President)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 07:30:33 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Nabs diversity and inclusion committee Sunday at 8pm
 eastern
In-Reply-To: <CAC5mtjFm2=GxScM2DnU5Jo=oKMLcGA-3JGwjCAGjXNscsgHPpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <021201d548d1$cadd1970$60974c50$@gmail.com>
	<CAC5mtjFm2=GxScM2DnU5Jo=oKMLcGA-3JGwjCAGjXNscsgHPpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <028b01d54925$b30cb630$19262290$@gmail.com>

😊 Apologies on the confusion. I replied to the list with the call-in information. That's why it came to you 😊

Have an awesome Friday.
- Kathryn

Kathryn C. Webster
President | National Association of Blind Students
A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind
Nabs.president at gmail.com
www.nabslink.org

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Amy Albin via NABS-L
Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 3:49 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Amy Albin <amyralbin at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Nabs diversity and inclusion committee Sunday at 8pm eastern

Hi Kathryn,

I think the Diversity and Inclusion Committee is great!

However, I didn't send an e-mail to you about it. I sent an e-mail to Justin about the Legislation Committee.

Best,

Amy

On 8/1/19, Kathryn Webster, National Student President via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> So pumped you are interested!
>
> Call: 712-770-5197,,265669#
>
> Love,
> Kathryn
>
> Kathryn C. Webster
> President | National Association of Blind Students A proud division of 
> the National Federation of the Blind Nabs.president at gmail.com 
> www.nabslink.org
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Asadullina via 
> NABS-L
> Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:59 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: lily2011a at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Nabs diversity and inclusion committee
>
> Hi Ana,
> I think this is a beautiful idea! I am glad that you are helping 
> create an inclusive environment within the organization. What is the 
> phone number to the conference and what is the access code?
> Thanks a bunch,
> Lily
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 1, 2019, at 8:44 PM, Ana Martinez via NABS-L 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Nabs! You are invited to the first call of the Nabs diversity 
>> and inclusion committee! 😊 I’m excited to get this committee started 
>> and to work along side you. This year the committee will focus on 
>> Making Nabs a more welcoming division to students with diverse 
>> cultural backgrounds, students who are blind and have additional 
>> disabilities, and This committee will ensure that students from any 
>> religion can have a safe space to share and to freely express their 
>> religious believes.
>> If you identify with any of this issues, or if you would like to 
>> learn more, join us this Sunday at 8pm eastern!!
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> NABS-L:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lily2011a%40gmail.
>> com
>
> _______________________________________________
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NABS-L:
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> mail.com
>
>
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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> com
>

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From kenia.flores at furman.edu  Sun Aug  4 17:03:46 2019
From: kenia.flores at furman.edu (Kenia Flores-Student)
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2019 17:03:46 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] Reminder: Diversity & Inclusion committee call tonight at
 8pm Eastern
Message-ID: <BN1PR0401MB096248696832CE168C169466E4DB0@BN1PR0401MB0962.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Good afternoon students,

I hope you are all doing well and eagerly anticipating the beginning of a new school year.
The NABS Diversity and Inclusion committee invites you to our first committee call tonight at 8pm eastern. We are committed to diversity and inclusion efforts, but we cannot do this without input from our members. We invite you to join us tonight and let us know how you believe we can be a more inclusive division. Please call 712-770-5197, and enter access code 265669.
We look forward to speaking with you all tonight!

Best,
Kenia Flores

Kenia Flores
Furman University '20
Departments of Politics & International Affairs and History
2nd Vice President | National Association of Blind Students
President | North Carolina Association of Blind Students
(704) 476-6629
Kenia.flores at furman.edu


From trishak.nfb at gmail.com  Sun Aug  4 18:35:09 2019
From: trishak.nfb at gmail.com (Trisha Kulkarni)
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2019 14:35:09 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] You're Invited! August Fundraising Committee Call Next Week
Message-ID: <D3375AE8-B588-485C-8AAD-47C5E9EE8157@gmail.com>

Dear Students,
 
We just wanted to remind you to join us for our first committee call after national convention next week on Sunday August 11 at 9:00 PM eastern! Anyone is welcome, and we hope that you will help us brainstorm new ideas for making this year the best it can be!
 
Call 712.770.5197 followed by the access code 265669.
Talk to you then!
 
Best Regards,
Trisha
 
Trisha Kulkarni
Board Member | National Association of Blind Students
A Proud Division of the National Federation of the Blind
trishak.nfb at gmail.com
www.nabslink.org
 

From johnawright98 at gmail.com  Sun Aug  4 22:42:59 2019
From: johnawright98 at gmail.com (Johna Wright)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 00:42:59 +0200
Subject: [NABS-L] Communications Committee Conference Call
Message-ID: <17FB34D0-E137-46DE-B845-6013957D9F83@gmail.com>

Hello, friends!! 

We hope you’re having a fantastic home stretch of the summer, as school will be starting back up for most of us very soon. Before the hustle and bustle of the fall semester begins, we would like to invite you all to join the NABS Communications Committee for our first conference call after national convention next Sunday, August 11th, at 8pm eastern. Everyone is welcome to join and participate in this call, no matter your level of experience with communications/social media. 

To join, call (712) 770-5197,,265669#

If you have any questions or concerns, please reach out to me (johnawright98 at gmail.com). We look forward to hearing from you!

Johna Wright
Board Member | National Association of Blind Students
A Proud Division of the National Federation of the Blind 
www.nabslink.org
johnawright98 at gmail.com
(706) 962-2613

From ninam0814 at gmail.com  Mon Aug  5 00:24:27 2019
From: ninam0814 at gmail.com (Nina Marranca)
Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2019 20:24:27 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] July NABS Notes
Message-ID: <34137CAC-E0C2-49C4-ADA7-C3C0FDBEDF57@gmail.com>

Good evening students.

                I hope that you all are enjoying an awesome Summer. From events at National Convention, to the introduction of new committees, NABS has had a very busy and productive month. You can read all of these great updates  in the July NABS Notes. Please find the July NABS Notes pasted below. They may also be found in the attached document and via the following link:

http://nabslink.org/content/nabs-notes-july-2019

Best,

Nina Marranca

Medaille College | Class of 2022

Co-chair | Communications Committee

Ninam0814 at gmail.com

716-479-6487

 

 
NABS Notes – July 2019  
 

In this edition, you will find:  
National Convention Debrief  
The 2019 – 2020 NABS Board  
NFB Open House Gatherings  
Potential Chemistry Employment Opportunity  
2019-2020 NABS Committees  
NABS Facebook Group  
 
National Convention Debrief:  
 

NABS had a productive and exciting week at this year’s National Convention in Las Vegas! Whether you were experiencing the thrill in person or following the live stream from home, we want to thank you, the membership, for all of your contributions. It is our students who make NABS the powerful resource and network we are so proud of.  

 

NABS made a rousing presence with our engaging events:  
NABS Networking  
Annual NABS Business Meeting  
American Action Fund 100th Anniversary | Braille Carnival  
 

We want to extend a huge thank you to all of our student volunteers who made these events run smoothly and successfully. We would also like to thank our NABS Board for all of their hard work behind the scenes and at center stage.  

 

As we come out of this year’s convention, we would like to say a hearty farewell to our departing board members: Tarik Williams and Janae Burgmeier, and we usher in our new board members with the promise of so many possibilities to shape our future.  

 
Introducing the 2019 – 2020 NABS Board:  
 

President: Kathryn Webster  

1st Vice President: Syed Rizvi  

2nd Vice President: Kenia Flores  

Secretary: Mausam Mehta  

Treasurer: Dustin Cather  

Board Member 1: Trisha Kulkarni  

Board Member 2: Johna Wright  

Board Member 3: Elizabeth Rouse  

Board Member 4: Justin Salisbury  

 

Congratulations and onward as we work to level the playing field for blind students across the nation!  

 
NFB Open House Gatherings:  
 

Many people do not know the National Federation of the Blind, and may be reluctant to attend a local chapter meeting where you may have your questions answered. We will be hosting teleconferences for individuals that are curious about the National Federation of the Blind. The teleconference will present you with an opportunity to receive information from and ask questions of Federationists. We will be able to dispel the myths and misconceptions about the NFB and highlight the benefits of membership. These calls are specifically intended for individuals who are curious about our organization and would benefit from learning about us in an educational environment.  

 

The calls will take place on the third Sunday of each even numbered month at 4pm eastern and the third Wednesday of each odd numbered month at 8pm eastern. Our first two calls will be Sunday, August 18 and Wednesday, September 18.  

 

In order to participate, RSVP by emailing membership at nfb.org or calling 410-659-9314, extension 2509, and let us know which call date works best for you!  

 
Potential Chemistry Employment Opportunity:  
 

If you are a student who has taken one or more undergraduate chemistry courses, and are currently considering a major in chemistry or related field, regarding a possible internship project involving the acquisition of spectral data using an interface for blind/ low-vision users. Please contact Dr. Alfred D'Agostino, Professor Emeritus of Chemistry at adagostino at ndm.edu with your name, name of institution at which you are studying, your intended major, and the chemistry course/ courses you have taken.  

 
2019-2020 NABS Committees:  
 

We are  so pumped to announce our 2019-20 national student division committees, some of which we hope many of you will be more than interested in joining! Please find monthly meeting times below; and direct questions to the committee chairs. This year, our push is to have more voices across all of our committees. Each of you have the power to drive our efforts forward, but only if you make your voice heard.  

 

All committees meet on the NABS conference line: 712-770-5197,,265669#.  

 
Diversity & Inclusion Committee  
Chair: Syed Rizvi (syedrizvinfb at gmail.com)  

Meetings: First Sunday of each month at 8pm eastern  

 
Communications Committee  
Chair: Mausam Mehta (mausam.mehta.nfb at gmail.com)  

Meetings: Second Sunday of each month at 8pm eastern  

 
Fundraising Committee  
Chair: Elizabeth Rouse (elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com)  

Meetings: Second Sunday of each month at 9pm eastern  

 
Legislative Committee  
Chair: Justin Salisbury (president at alumni.ecu.edu)  

Meetings: Third Sunday of each month at 8pm eastern  

 
NABS Facebook Group:  
 

Join our Facebook group by visiting:  

https://m.facebook.com/groups/173482726798026

 

 

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From cookcafe at sc.rr.com  Mon Aug  5 21:30:56 2019
From: cookcafe at sc.rr.com (Steve & Shannon Cook)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 17:30:56 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] NFB of SC State Convention & Streaming Info
Message-ID: <016501d54bd5$12d14700$3873d500$@sc.rr.com>

Hi All, 

Below is the information to listen to the NFB of SC convention and agenda.  You have the choice of listening on your computer or calling in on the phone!  You can also go to www.nfbofsc.org to download an agenda in MP3 format or RTF.  Please share far and wide!

Topic: NFB Of SC 2019 State Convention
Time: Aug 10, 2019 07:00 AM Eastern Time (US and Canada)

Join Zoom Meeting
https://zoom.us/j/8032543777

One tap mobile
+16468769923,,8032543777# US (New York)
+16699006833,,8032543777# US (San Jose)

Dial by your location
        +1 646 876 9923 US (New York)
        +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose)
        +1 408 638 0968 US (San Jose)
Meeting ID: 803 254 3777
Find your local number: https://zoom.us/u/aSiIqMGRi

SIXTY-THIRD ANNUAL CONVENTION

NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND

OF SOUTH CAROLINA

DIAMOND JUBILEE OF THE
NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND
OF SOUTH CAROLINA

AUGUST 9, 10 & 11, 2019

MARRIOTT HOTEL
1200 HAMPTON STREET
COLUMBIA, SOUTH CAROLINA
803-771-7000

THEME “TRANSFORMING DREAMS INTO REALITY” 
Integrity and Respect

To allow all attendees the chance to benefit from all aspects of the convention, we are committed to providing a harassment-free environment for everyone. We appreciate your assistance in cultivating an atmosphere in which participants from diverse backgrounds may learn, network, and share with each other in an environment of mutual respect. Thank you for doing your part to contribute to our community and the high expectations we strive to maintain.


FRIDAY, August 9, 2019

Registration - 10:00 a.m. - 6:00 p.m. – Darlene Houck , Chairperson – Atrium 

Exhibits - 10:00 a.m. - 6:00 p.m. - David Houck, Chairman –  Atrium 

3:30 – 4:30 p.m. - National Federation of the Blind of South Carolina Board of Directors meeting – Frank Coppel, President.  Everyone is welcomed! – Capital IV

5:00 p.m. – 6:00 p.m. – Annual Senior Division Meeting – Shelley Coppel, President – Palmetto I

5:00 p.m. – 6:00 p.m. - Resolutions – Valerie Warrington, Chairperson – Palmetto II

6:00 p.m. – 7:00 p.m. - Computer Science and Technology Division Meeting, Thom Spittle, President  - Capital IV

7:30 p.m. – 10:00 p.m. - RECEPTION AND HOSPITALITY “Diamond Jubilee” – Silent Auction, Food, live music, and dancing! – Carolina A-E

9:00 p.m. -  South Carolina Association of Blind Students Annual Meeting, AJ McFadden, President – Carolina F-G


SATURDAY, August 10, 2019

Exhibits, 7:00 a.m. – 9:00 a.m. – Atrium 

Registration, 8:00 a.m. - 12:00 noon and 2:00 p.m. -   5:00 p.m. – Atrium 

8:30 a.m. – Coffee – served in back of meeting room – Carolina A-E


SATURDAY MORNING SESSION 
Carolina A-E

9:00 Call to Order 

Invocation - Isaiah Nelson, Board Member, Board of Directors, National Federation of the Blind of South Carolina 

9:05 a.m. Welcome and Opening Ceremonies - Jennifer Bazer, 2019 State Convention Planning Committee Chairperson

9:15 a.m.  Greetings From Host Chapter - Tiffiny Mitchell, President Columbia Chapter National Federation of the Blind of South Carolina 

9:20 a.m. Convention Arrangements and Announcements 

9:30 a.m. National Report - James Gashel, Secretary, National Federation of the Blind, Honolulu, HI 

10:15 a.m. The National Federation of the Blind of South Carolina Celebrating Seventy-five Years of Service to the Blind – A Panel Discussion 

11:00 a.m. A Report from the 2019 Braille Enrichment, Learning and Literacy “BELL” Academy - Tracy Spittle, State Coordinator and Lead Instructor 2019 “BELL” Academy 

11:10 a.m. Transforming my Dreams into Reality, Perspectives from a Blind Hunter - Michael Edmonds, Inman, SC

11:30 a.m. Presidential Report  - Frank Coppel 

12:00 p.m. Adjourn


12:30 – 1:30 p.m.  LUNCHEON – Carolina A-E

12:30 p.m. Invocation - David Houck, Executive Director, Federation Center of the Blind 

Introductions 

Luncheon Key Note Speaker – Leadership Development and Growth - Lefford Fate, Motivational Speaker, Sumter, SC


SATURDAY AFTERNOON SESSION
Carolina A-E

2:00 p.m. South Carolina School for the Deaf and Blind Report - Dr. Page McGraw, President

2:20 p.m. Report from the South Carolina Commission for the Blind - Elaine Robertson, Interim Commissioner 

2:40 p.m. Report from Talking Book Services - Kristin White, Director 

3:00 p.m. What is New and Innovative in the World of Assistive Technology – A Panel Discussion

3:40 p.m. Meet the Scholarship Class of 2019 - Shannon Cook, Scholarship Committee Chairperson 

3:50 p.m. Update from the SC Department of Education, Office of Special Education - Marty McKenzie, Statewide Vision Consultant 

4:00 p.m. Rocky Bottom Retreat and Conference Center of the Blind Report - Ed Bible, Vice Chairman, Board of Directors

4:20 p.m. Report from the National Federation of the Blind of South Carolina’s Successful Transitions Program - Jennifer Bazer, Director 

4:40 p.m. Update from the Federation Center of the Blind - 
Ed Bible, Chairman Board of Trustees, David Houck, Executive Director 

5:00 p.m. Adjourn 


BANQUET
SATURDAY EVENING
7:00 P.M.
Carolina A-E

Call to Order 

Invocation - Debra Canty, Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of South Carolina 

Introductions 

Banquet Speaker - James Gashel, Secretary, National Federation of the Blind, Honolulu, HI 

Awards 

2019 Scholarship Class 

Banquet Fund Raiser 

The Nominating Committee will meet immediately following the banquet in Palmetto II

Trivia Night Fundraiser – Sponsored by the South Carolina Association of Blind Students, will be held following the banquet in Carolina F-G


SUNDAY, August 11, 2019

Exhibits 7:00 a.m. - 8:15 a.m. – Atrium

8:00 a.m.  Coffee – served in back of meeting room in Carolina A-E

SUNDAY MORNING SESSION
Carolina A-E

8:30 a.m. Call to order 

Memorial Service - Dorothy Barksdale, Columbia Chapter 

8:45 a.m. Financial Reports, Rocky Bottom Retreat and Conference Center of the Blind and National Federation of the Blind of South Carolina - Valerie Warrington, Treasurer, National Federation of the Blind of South Carolina and Rocky Bottom Retreat and Conference Center of the Blind

9:00 a.m. Chapter and Division Reports 

10:00 a.m. Stewardship, Doing Your Fair Share 

10:30 a.m. Resolutions, Elections, and Other Business 

12:00 Adjourn


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From LBlake at nfb.org  Tue Aug  6 15:07:07 2019
From: LBlake at nfb.org (Blake, Lou Ann)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 15:07:07 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] Blind and low-vision college students needed for research
 study on navigating the challenges of college life
Message-ID: <BL0PR1701MB2388B75601A59778B494A495C9D50@BL0PR1701MB2388.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>

The below research participant solicitation is being provided for informational purposes only. The National Federation of the Blind has no involvement in this research, but we believe that it may contribute to our research mission.

Greetings,
My name is Josephine Grove. I am a student at the University of Phoenix pursuing a doctorate in Higher Education Administration.  I am conducting a study on challenges of blind and visually impaired college students enrolled in postsecondary institutions.  My goal is to gain a better understanding of how blind and visually impaired students navigate the challenges of college life, drawn from your lived experiences.

Are you:  blind or visually impaired for 3 or more years? Between the ages of 18 to 64? Have you taken 1 or more college classes either online or in person?  Are you willing to answer a few questions, by telephone interview, about your experiences for a research project aimed at improving the college experience and making it more successful?  Do you speak and write in English?  (The telephone interview will take 30 to 40 minutes.

If you answered yes to all of these questions, this is your opportunity to share challenges and obstacles you have experienced as a blind or visually impaired college student. Your participation will involve a30 to 40 minute telephone interview with the researcher, Jo Grove, who is a visually impaired college student. All personal information such as your name will be kept strictly confidential in compliance with a signed informed consent agreement.
If you are interested in volunteering or have questions, please send an email to Jo Grove at jogrove at email.phoenix.edu<mailto:jogrove at email.phoenix.edu> with subject line, Volunteer. Or call 314.320.5957
Many thanks and I hope to hear from you soon! Jo Grove

Lou Ann Blake, J.D.
Deputy Executive Director, Blindness Initiatives
200 East Wells Street, Baltimore, MD 21230
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From leadershipjba at gmail.com  Wed Aug  7 01:26:55 2019
From: leadershipjba at gmail.com (JASON ALAMILLO)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 18:26:55 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] iPad help
Message-ID: <6FCA98A7-2329-49FF-B713-FD1EB4B5F840@gmail.com>

Hello all, I am in need of some assistance. I am in need of some new AT for the next school year, and one of those technologies is an iPad. I have to write up a justification draft for my assistive technologist for why the iPad would be helpful for me. What I need from my fellow students, or from any TVI or anyone else who wants to have any input, is to list any ideas or suggestions to put down on how an iPad would be beneficial in a college setting for blind students. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Wed Aug  7 05:34:17 2019
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 22:34:17 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] iPad help
In-Reply-To: <6FCA98A7-2329-49FF-B713-FD1EB4B5F840@gmail.com>
References: <6FCA98A7-2329-49FF-B713-FD1EB4B5F840@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <82609B54-AC3E-419F-997D-4C73BE0C07EB@gmail.com>

Hi Jason,
Good luck on your justification.
There are two advantages to the iPad I can pin-point right away:
First, do you have a Braille notetaker or display already? The iPad will allow you to hook up with your Braille display. This way, you would still be using Voice-Over, but rather than relying on its speech you'd be navigating with the Braille display. (If you already have an iPhone, the Braille display commands with an iPad are largely the same).
The other thing is portability. An iPad is fairly lightweight compared to many computers. An iPhone is even more portable, though the iPad probably has a bigger screen that might allow you to utilize any residual vision you might have, if that's what you want.
Hope this helps,
Vejas  

> On 6 Aug 2019, at 18:26, JASON ALAMILLO via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello all, I am in need of some assistance. I am in need of some new AT for the next school year, and one of those technologies is an iPad. I have to write up a justification draft for my assistive technologist for why the iPad would be helpful for me. What I need from my fellow students, or from any TVI or anyone else who wants to have any input, is to list any ideas or suggestions to put down on how an iPad would be beneficial in a college setting for blind students. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
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From leadershipjba at gmail.com  Wed Aug  7 05:37:39 2019
From: leadershipjba at gmail.com (JASON ALAMILLO)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 22:37:39 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] iPad help
In-Reply-To: <82609B54-AC3E-419F-997D-4C73BE0C07EB@gmail.com>
References: <6FCA98A7-2329-49FF-B713-FD1EB4B5F840@gmail.com>
	<82609B54-AC3E-419F-997D-4C73BE0C07EB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F797A450-59CA-43AC-9875-DE57ACDBA3E0@gmail.com>

Hello, thank you for all your help. Yes, I do have a BrailleNote touch, and I did get some of that, although you did give me some ideas.

> On Aug 6, 2019, at 10:34 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jason,
> Good luck on your justification.
> There are two advantages to the iPad I can pin-point right away:
> First, do you have a Braille notetaker or display already? The iPad will allow you to hook up with your Braille display. This way, you would still be using Voice-Over, but rather than relying on its speech you'd be navigating with the Braille display. (If you already have an iPhone, the Braille display commands with an iPad are largely the same).
> The other thing is portability. An iPad is fairly lightweight compared to many computers. An iPhone is even more portable, though the iPad probably has a bigger screen that might allow you to utilize any residual vision you might have, if that's what you want.
> Hope this helps,
> Vejas  
> 
>> On 6 Aug 2019, at 18:26, JASON ALAMILLO via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all, I am in need of some assistance. I am in need of some new AT for the next school year, and one of those technologies is an iPad. I have to write up a justification draft for my assistive technologist for why the iPad would be helpful for me. What I need from my fellow students, or from any TVI or anyone else who wants to have any input, is to list any ideas or suggestions to put down on how an iPad would be beneficial in a college setting for blind students. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
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From louvins at gmail.com  Wed Aug  7 05:49:04 2019
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 00:49:04 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] iPad help
In-Reply-To: <F797A450-59CA-43AC-9875-DE57ACDBA3E0@gmail.com>
References: <6FCA98A7-2329-49FF-B713-FD1EB4B5F840@gmail.com>
	<82609B54-AC3E-419F-997D-4C73BE0C07EB@gmail.com>
	<F797A450-59CA-43AC-9875-DE57ACDBA3E0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADUoy9vKGy0Ms_d1P-M5VhPNo6NGAoJxF5cJV-1gbKyr8FyiSw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi.  If you had your IPAD, then if you needed to get books from bard
that would help you with class assignments, then you could easily and
quickly get the books you needed on a handy portable device.

On 8/7/19, JASON ALAMILLO via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello, thank you for all your help. Yes, I do have a BrailleNote touch, and
> I did get some of that, although you did give me some ideas.
>
>> On Aug 6, 2019, at 10:34 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jason,
>> Good luck on your justification.
>> There are two advantages to the iPad I can pin-point right away:
>> First, do you have a Braille notetaker or display already? The iPad will
>> allow you to hook up with your Braille display. This way, you would still
>> be using Voice-Over, but rather than relying on its speech you'd be
>> navigating with the Braille display. (If you already have an iPhone, the
>> Braille display commands with an iPad are largely the same).
>> The other thing is portability. An iPad is fairly lightweight compared to
>> many computers. An iPhone is even more portable, though the iPad probably
>> has a bigger screen that might allow you to utilize any residual vision
>> you might have, if that's what you want.
>> Hope this helps,
>> Vejas
>>
>>> On 6 Aug 2019, at 18:26, JASON ALAMILLO via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all, I am in need of some assistance. I am in need of some new AT
>>> for the next school year, and one of those technologies is an iPad. I
>>> have to write up a justification draft for my assistive technologist for
>>> why the iPad would be helpful for me. What I need from my fellow
>>> students, or from any TVI or anyone else who wants to have any input, is
>>> to list any ideas or suggestions to put down on how an iPad would be
>>> beneficial in a college setting for blind students. Any help would be
>>> greatly appreciated. Thank you.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> NABS-L:
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>>
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-- 
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson


From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Wed Aug  7 14:36:30 2019
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2019 10:36:30 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] iPad help
Message-ID: <5d4ae219.1c69fb81.5c747.1b9e@mx.google.com>

Hi Jason, why do you want an IPad?  I use one to do things like 
handling my course management system that my Apex can't handle, 
but since you have a touch, I'm not sure why you want the IPad 
except that it could be a backup if your touch ever needed to be 
sent in for service.  It might be though that there is something 
the Touch can't do that the IPad can, so you could write down 
whatever that is.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: JASON ALAMILLO via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: NABS-L at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 18:26:55 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] iPad help

Hello all, I am in need of some assistance. I am in need of some 
new AT for the next school year, and one of those technologies is 
an iPad. I have to write up a justification draft for my 
assistive technologist for why the iPad would be helpful for me. 
What I need from my fellow students, or from any TVI or anyone 
else who wants to have any input, is to list any ideas or 
suggestions to put down on how an iPad would be beneficial in a 
college setting for blind students. Any help would be greatly 
appreciated. Thank you.
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From blindinsider1 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  8 01:44:00 2019
From: blindinsider1 at gmail.com (Seyoon Choi)
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 18:44:00 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] iPad help
In-Reply-To: <6FCA98A7-2329-49FF-B713-FD1EB4B5F840@gmail.com>
References: <6FCA98A7-2329-49FF-B713-FD1EB4B5F840@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <679ABADC-C7C6-4144-B81E-13D9A9E5C6C3@gmail.com>

Hey Jason,

One of many reasons why you might consider the iPad over the BrailleNote Touch is the fact that iOS is vastly more mainstream with educational access apps, though similar criteria could be said for the Android as well. Plus with iPadOS coming out this fall, the iPad should be able to perform largely more desktop class applications complete with a better browser. The main advantage that I could think of are the performance, portability and its battery life. 

Hope this helps!

Best regards
Seyoon

Seyoon Choi
Saint Louis University Class of 2023
 

> On Aug 6, 2019, at 6:26 PM, JASON ALAMILLO via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello all, I am in need of some assistance. I am in need of some new AT for the next school year, and one of those technologies is an iPad. I have to write up a justification draft for my assistive technologist for why the iPad would be helpful for me. What I need from my fellow students, or from any TVI or anyone else who wants to have any input, is to list any ideas or suggestions to put down on how an iPad would be beneficial in a college setting for blind students. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
> _______________________________________________
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From leadershipjba at gmail.com  Thu Aug  8 02:33:45 2019
From: leadershipjba at gmail.com (JASON ALAMILLO)
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 19:33:45 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] iPad help
In-Reply-To: <679ABADC-C7C6-4144-B81E-13D9A9E5C6C3@gmail.com>
References: <6FCA98A7-2329-49FF-B713-FD1EB4B5F840@gmail.com>
	<679ABADC-C7C6-4144-B81E-13D9A9E5C6C3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALKwNYPWVS6YpurGSVC+w9kjewwKEMrtR3TeXx9bath-2Vxy2A@mail.gmail.com>

 I wasn’t trying to compare it to the touch, they just wanted me to justify
why I would want the iPad, everything everybody has said I have on the list
so I thnk everybody. a

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 6:44 PM Seyoon Choi <blindinsider1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Jason,
>
> One of many reasons why you might consider the iPad over the BrailleNote
> Touch is the fact that iOS is vastly more mainstream with educational
> access apps, though similar criteria could be said for the Android as well.
> Plus with iPadOS coming out this fall, the iPad should be able to perform
> largely more desktop class applications complete with a better browser. The
> main advantage that I could think of are the performance, portability and
> its battery life.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Best regards
> Seyoon
>
> Seyoon Choi
> Saint Louis University Class of 2023
>
>
> > On Aug 6, 2019, at 6:26 PM, JASON ALAMILLO via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello all, I am in need of some assistance. I am in need of some new AT
> for the next school year, and one of those technologies is an iPad. I have
> to write up a justification draft for my assistive technologist for why the
> iPad would be helpful for me. What I need from my fellow students, or from
> any TVI or anyone else who wants to have any input, is to list any ideas or
> suggestions to put down on how an iPad would be beneficial in a college
> setting for blind students. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank
> you.
> > _______________________________________________
> > NABS-L mailing list
> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  9 18:42:19 2019
From: m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com (Mike Gilmore)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2019 18:42:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [NABS-L] for those of you who have used Vital Source ...
Message-ID: <454739606.3399345.1565376139794@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi everyone,

I just found out about this list and decided to join.

I'm about to begin seminary.  I recently found out about Vital Source.  I have a question about it (I hope to use it if I can't find what I need on bookshare or Learning Ally or christianbook.com).

For those of you who have purchased or rented books from Vital Source, I'm curious to know about reading the books online (how it's done, what the best browser to use is, etc.)  I'm also curious to know whether there's a way to emboss these books.

Thank you for all of your help ahead of time.  If you know of any other sources other than Vital Source, Learning Ally, audible, Christian book dot com, and bookshare where it may be possible to obtain books in formats other than hardcopy print, please feel free to chime in.

Mike


From ninam0814 at gmail.com  Fri Aug  9 19:08:33 2019
From: ninam0814 at gmail.com (Nina Marranca)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2019 19:08:33 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] for those of you who have used Vital Source ...
In-Reply-To: <454739606.3399345.1565376139794@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <454739606.3399345.1565376139794@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR07MB5737A5678EB27A43D7AD6F28F3D60@DM6PR07MB5737.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Mike. Welcome to the list! Have you heard of the National Library Service?  This is a service that offers books in both Braille and in downloadable audio formats to those living in the United States.  You would need to apply and be approved. It's a great service. Here's a link to help you get started.
https://www.loc.gov/nls/enrollment-equipment/
Hope this is of some help, and I hope you find this list useful.
Best,
Nina

Nina Marranca
Medaille College | Class of 2022
Co-Chair | Communications Committee
ninam0814 at gmail.com
(716) 479-6487


________________________________
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Sent: Friday, August 9, 2019 14:43
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Mike Gilmore
Subject: [NABS-L] for those of you who have used Vital Source ...

Hi everyone,

I just found out about this list and decided to join.

I'm about to begin seminary. I recently found out about Vital Source. I have a question about it (I hope to use it if I can't find what I need on bookshare or Learning Ally or christianbook.com).

For those of you who have purchased or rented books from Vital Source, I'm curious to know about reading the books online (how it's done, what the best browser to use is, etc.) I'm also curious to know whether there's a way to emboss these books.

Thank you for all of your help ahead of time. If you know of any other sources other than Vital Source, Learning Ally, audible, Christian book dot com, and bookshare where it may be possible to obtain books in formats other than hardcopy print, please feel free to chime in.

Mike

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From knownoflove at gmail.com  Fri Aug  9 21:03:38 2019
From: knownoflove at gmail.com (Miranda)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2019 17:03:38 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] for those of you who have used Vital Source ...
In-Reply-To: <454739606.3399345.1565376139794@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <454739606.3399345.1565376139794@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AFC8EED1-58F0-4D07-ABBF-0AA94A04597D@gmail.com>

Hi Mike,
I have used this site quite frequently, and I recommend it to others. It is accessible via the website and the iPhone app. You would navigate the textbook as you would any other site. I would probably recommend Google Chrome as the most useful browser for navigating textbooks on vital source. As far as embossing books, I cannot personally speak to this as I have not done so.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 9, 2019, at 2:42 PM, Mike Gilmore via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I just found out about this list and decided to join.
> 
> I'm about to begin seminary.  I recently found out about Vital Source.  I have a question about it (I hope to use it if I can't find what I need on bookshare or Learning Ally or christianbook.com).
> 
> For those of you who have purchased or rented books from Vital Source, I'm curious to know about reading the books online (how it's done, what the best browser to use is, etc.)  I'm also curious to know whether there's a way to emboss these books.
> 
> Thank you for all of your help ahead of time.  If you know of any other sources other than Vital Source, Learning Ally, audible, Christian book dot com, and bookshare where it may be possible to obtain books in formats other than hardcopy print, please feel free to chime in.
> 
> Mike
> 
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From elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com  Sat Aug 10 21:08:14 2019
From: elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com (Elizabeth Rouse)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 16:08:14 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] =?utf-8?q?Fundraising_Committee_Call_Tomorrow_8/11_9_o?=
	=?utf-8?q?=E2=80=99clock_Eastern?=
Message-ID: <CANGwUJNaxxJ64aH-ieuk4nYrkgs_Bt-XpA+AOoJFP3NS8q3CKw@mail.gmail.com>

Come one come all to the first Fundraising call of the year!
Meet our committee chair and co-chairs.
Hear all about our current projects and help us brainstorm for the future!
Call 712-770-5197 and use access code 265669.
Hope to hear your voice tomorrow night!
Elizabeth
-- 
Elizabeth Rouse
Chair | Fundraising Committee
Board Member | National Association of Blind Students
A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind
www.nabslink.org
elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com
563-210-1854

From johnawright98 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 11 13:14:03 2019
From: johnawright98 at gmail.com (Johna Wright)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 15:14:03 +0200
Subject: [NABS-L] August Communications Committee Call
Message-ID: <D6BC9106-57C7-4422-8B56-FD540CC65B95@gmail.com>

Hey, everyone! 

Don’t forget that our first communications committee call after national convention will be taking place TONIGHT at 8pm eastern. No experience required, everyone’s thoughts/ideas are welcome! To join, call (712) 770-5197,,265669#. 

We hope to hear from you soon! 

Johna Wright
Board Member | National Association of Blind Students
A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind 
johnawright98 at gmail.com
(706) 962-2613
www.nabslink.org

From leadershipjba at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 02:47:03 2019
From: leadershipjba at gmail.com (JASON ALAMILLO)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 19:47:03 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] for those of you who have used Vital Source ...
In-Reply-To: <AFC8EED1-58F0-4D07-ABBF-0AA94A04597D@gmail.com>
References: <454739606.3399345.1565376139794@mail.yahoo.com>
	<AFC8EED1-58F0-4D07-ABBF-0AA94A04597D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1B4BCD26-5D50-4FD0-95D4-91070BDC4E9B@gmail.com>

Hi all, I also had some questions about vital source. So I am under the impression that you have to listen to it, either on their own version of audio or on the audio provided by VoiceOver, but from Miranda’s post, it seems like you can also just flick the screen to the left and right as though you are reading messages or websites. Which assumption am I correct on? I also want to know, as I have always just had my books transcribed into word documents by the DRC, and I have read them on my BrailleNote Touch or computer, is that also a possibility on this app? And if so, which format do the books come in if they are downloadable in a way to have them in this format instead of having them on a website or app all the time? If there is no way to keep them as formats that can skip having to use the web or the app all together any time we need to read our books, how can we search for paragraphs, words, quotes, and any other thing we may need within a book? When I went to download the app, on my phone it now says audible, is that the one we have to download or is there another one? And do we have to log in with our amazon accounts? If I have the app wrong, could someone please share the right one to this email conversation so I and others can download it? Thank you for all your help.

> On Aug 9, 2019, at 2:03 PM, Miranda via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mike,
> I have used this site quite frequently, and I recommend it to others. It is accessible via the website and the iPhone app. You would navigate the textbook as you would any other site. I would probably recommend Google Chrome as the most useful browser for navigating textbooks on vital source. As far as embossing books, I cannot personally speak to this as I have not done so.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 9, 2019, at 2:42 PM, Mike Gilmore via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> I just found out about this list and decided to join.
>> 
>> I'm about to begin seminary.  I recently found out about Vital Source.  I have a question about it (I hope to use it if I can't find what I need on bookshare or Learning Ally or christianbook.com).
>> 
>> For those of you who have purchased or rented books from Vital Source, I'm curious to know about reading the books online (how it's done, what the best browser to use is, etc.)  I'm also curious to know whether there's a way to emboss these books.
>> 
>> Thank you for all of your help ahead of time.  If you know of any other sources other than Vital Source, Learning Ally, audible, Christian book dot com, and bookshare where it may be possible to obtain books in formats other than hardcopy print, please feel free to chime in.
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu  Mon Aug 12 06:53:02 2019
From: PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu (Justin Salisbury)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 06:53:02 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] Legislative Advocacy Committee Call Sunday, August 18,
 at 8 PM ET
Message-ID: <BYAPR13MB27743FC0575F9B40DB771DC989D30@BYAPR13MB2774.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>

Aloha NABS members and leaders,

The Legislative Advocacy Committee is having our monthly conference call on Sunday, August 18, at 8:00 pm eastern. The call-in number is 712-770-5197, and the access code is 265669.

We have had some great new people join the committee, and we love growing our committee every time. 

Don't hesitate to reach out to me if you have any questions!

Talk to you soon!

Much aloha,

Justin

Justin M. Hideaki Salisbury
he/him/his

Board Member | National Association of Blind Students
   A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind
(808) 797-8606
president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org






From knownoflove at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 10:04:46 2019
From: knownoflove at gmail.com (Miranda)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 06:04:46 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] for those of you who have used Vital Source ...
In-Reply-To: <1B4BCD26-5D50-4FD0-95D4-91070BDC4E9B@gmail.com>
References: <454739606.3399345.1565376139794@mail.yahoo.com>
	<AFC8EED1-58F0-4D07-ABBF-0AA94A04597D@gmail.com>
	<1B4BCD26-5D50-4FD0-95D4-91070BDC4E9B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64E2B624-37F5-48AA-ACDB-2D0AA7A73E63@gmail.com>

Hi Jason,
Let me try to answer all of your questions. First, I believe there is some confusion. VitalSource it’s not the same as Amazon Kindle or audible. In fact, it is it’s own entity. The website is: www.vitalsource.com, and the app is found by searching for VitalSource on the App Store. The app shows up as bookshelf in the App Store and also when you download it to your iPhone.
As far as navigating a book on your iPhone, yes you do flick left and right as on a normal website or other screen. You are also able to search your book via the website and/or the iPhone app. As the search field on the website is dynamic, meaning that it updates as you type, I would suggest typing your search term into a plane text document, copying it, and pasting it into the search edit field on the website. This way, your screen reader does not slow down or lose its place due to the dynamic search field being automaticly updated. As I do not use a braillenote touch, I am not sure as to whether or not you can download the app from the Google play store to your device to use it. That would be pretty cool if you could though. I also do not know if this would work, but you might be able to go to the VitalSource website, log into your Bookshelf on your computer, and print your textbook to PDF in order to download it onto your braillenote Touch. You might lose access to navigation inside the book, so know that said PDF file may render navigation as far as headings and such difficult. However, if you are familiar with simply using a word document that does not contain such navigation, this may not be a concern for you.
I hope this helps, and have a successful semester!

Best wishes, Miranda


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 11, 2019, at 10:47 PM, JASON ALAMILLO <leadershipjba at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all, I also had some questions about vital source. So I am under the impression that you have to listen to it, either on their own version of audio or on the audio provided by VoiceOver, but from Miranda’s post, it seems like you can also just flick the screen to the left and right as though you are reading messages or websites. Which assumption am I correct on? I also want to know, as I have always just had my books transcribed into word documents by the DRC, and I have read them on my BrailleNote Touch or computer, is that also a possibility on this app? And if so, which format do the books come in if they are downloadable in a way to have them in this format instead of having them on a website or app all the time? If there is no way to keep them as formats that can skip having to use the web or the app all together any time we need to read our books, how can we search for paragraphs, words, quotes, and any other thing we may need within a book? When I went to download the app, on my phone it now says audible, is that the one we have to download or is there another one? And do we have to log in with our amazon accounts? If I have the app wrong, could someone please share the right one to this email conversation so I and others can download it? Thank you for all your help.
> 
>> On Aug 9, 2019, at 2:03 PM, Miranda via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mike,
>> I have used this site quite frequently, and I recommend it to others. It is accessible via the website and the iPhone app. You would navigate the textbook as you would any other site. I would probably recommend Google Chrome as the most useful browser for navigating textbooks on vital source. As far as embossing books, I cannot personally speak to this as I have not done so.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 9, 2019, at 2:42 PM, Mike Gilmore via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> 
>>> I just found out about this list and decided to join.
>>> 
>>> I'm about to begin seminary.  I recently found out about Vital Source.  I have a question about it (I hope to use it if I can't find what I need on bookshare or Learning Ally or christianbook.com).
>>> 
>>> For those of you who have purchased or rented books from Vital Source, I'm curious to know about reading the books online (how it's done, what the best browser to use is, etc.)  I'm also curious to know whether there's a way to emboss these books.
>>> 
>>> Thank you for all of your help ahead of time.  If you know of any other sources other than Vital Source, Learning Ally, audible, Christian book dot com, and bookshare where it may be possible to obtain books in formats other than hardcopy print, please feel free to chime in.
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/knownoflove%40gmail.com
>> 
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> 

From leadershipjba at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 10:08:40 2019
From: leadershipjba at gmail.com (JASON ALAMILLO)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 03:08:40 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] for those of you who have used Vital Source ...
In-Reply-To: <64E2B624-37F5-48AA-ACDB-2D0AA7A73E63@gmail.com>
References: <454739606.3399345.1565376139794@mail.yahoo.com>
	<AFC8EED1-58F0-4D07-ABBF-0AA94A04597D@gmail.com>
	<1B4BCD26-5D50-4FD0-95D4-91070BDC4E9B@gmail.com>
	<64E2B624-37F5-48AA-ACDB-2D0AA7A73E63@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALKwNYP1grO_Qw9yPd5MUXGVjPAkgwA-Cb0W8UfybSB9G6SNyQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you Miranda,  I did see a book shelf app so I will have to download
that, in terms of the searching thing, yeah I guess I will have to look on
how to search for a certain term or something like that, and hopefully I
can have it just as a document, I don’t want to have to open an app all the
time to look at my book. If I’m not wrong, you’re from Florida correct?

On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:04 AM Miranda <knownoflove at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Jason,
> Let me try to answer all of your questions. First, I believe there is some
> confusion. VitalSource it’s not the same as Amazon Kindle or audible. In
> fact, it is it’s own entity. The website is: www.vitalsource.com, and the
> app is found by searching for VitalSource on the App Store. The app shows
> up as bookshelf in the App Store and also when you download it to your
> iPhone.
> As far as navigating a book on your iPhone, yes you do flick left and
> right as on a normal website or other screen. You are also able to search
> your book via the website and/or the iPhone app. As the search field on the
> website is dynamic, meaning that it updates as you type, I would suggest
> typing your search term into a plane text document, copying it, and pasting
> it into the search edit field on the website. This way, your screen reader
> does not slow down or lose its place due to the dynamic search field being
> automaticly updated. As I do not use a braillenote touch, I am not sure as
> to whether or not you can download the app from the Google play store to
> your device to use it. That would be pretty cool if you could though. I
> also do not know if this would work, but you might be able to go to the
> VitalSource website, log into your Bookshelf on your computer, and print
> your textbook to PDF in order to download it onto your braillenote Touch.
> You might lose access to navigation inside the book, so know that said PDF
> file may render navigation as far as headings and such difficult. However,
> if you are familiar with simply using a word document that does not contain
> such navigation, this may not be a concern for you.
> I hope this helps, and have a successful semester!
>
> Best wishes, Miranda
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 11, 2019, at 10:47 PM, JASON ALAMILLO <leadershipjba at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi all, I also had some questions about vital source. So I am under the
> impression that you have to listen to it, either on their own version of
> audio or on the audio provided by VoiceOver, but from Miranda’s post, it
> seems like you can also just flick the screen to the left and right as
> though you are reading messages or websites. Which assumption am I correct
> on? I also want to know, as I have always just had my books transcribed
> into word documents by the DRC, and I have read them on my BrailleNote
> Touch or computer, is that also a possibility on this app? And if so, which
> format do the books come in if they are downloadable in a way to have them
> in this format instead of having them on a website or app all the time? If
> there is no way to keep them as formats that can skip having to use the web
> or the app all together any time we need to read our books, how can we
> search for paragraphs, words, quotes, and any other thing we may need
> within a book? When I went to download the app, on my phone it now says
> audible, is that the one we have to download or is there another one? And
> do we have to log in with our amazon accounts? If I have the app wrong,
> could someone please share the right one to this email conversation so I
> and others can download it? Thank you for all your help.
>
> On Aug 9, 2019, at 2:03 PM, Miranda via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> I have used this site quite frequently, and I recommend it to others. It
> is accessible via the website and the iPhone app. You would navigate the
> textbook as you would any other site. I would probably recommend Google
> Chrome as the most useful browser for navigating textbooks on vital source.
> As far as embossing books, I cannot personally speak to this as I have not
> done so.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 9, 2019, at 2:42 PM, Mike Gilmore via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I just found out about this list and decided to join.
>
> I'm about to begin seminary.  I recently found out about Vital Source.  I
> have a question about it (I hope to use it if I can't find what I need on
> bookshare or Learning Ally or christianbook.com).
>
> For those of you who have purchased or rented books from Vital Source, I'm
> curious to know about reading the books online (how it's done, what the
> best browser to use is, etc.)  I'm also curious to know whether there's a
> way to emboss these books.
>
> Thank you for all of your help ahead of time.  If you know of any other
> sources other than Vital Source, Learning Ally, audible, Christian book dot
> com, and bookshare where it may be possible to obtain books in formats
> other than hardcopy print, please feel free to chime in.
>
> Mike
>
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NABS-L:
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>
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>

From knownoflove at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 11:41:21 2019
From: knownoflove at gmail.com (Miranda)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 07:41:21 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] for those of you who have used Vital Source ...
In-Reply-To: <CALKwNYP1grO_Qw9yPd5MUXGVjPAkgwA-Cb0W8UfybSB9G6SNyQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <454739606.3399345.1565376139794@mail.yahoo.com>
	<AFC8EED1-58F0-4D07-ABBF-0AA94A04597D@gmail.com>
	<1B4BCD26-5D50-4FD0-95D4-91070BDC4E9B@gmail.com>
	<64E2B624-37F5-48AA-ACDB-2D0AA7A73E63@gmail.com>
	<CALKwNYP1grO_Qw9yPd5MUXGVjPAkgwA-Cb0W8UfybSB9G6SNyQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4FE845C8-7B38-4C73-BD1A-EC1A7C7E1807@gmail.com>

I’m sorry. No. I am not from Florida.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 12, 2019, at 6:08 AM, JASON ALAMILLO <leadershipjba at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thank you Miranda,  I did see a book shelf app so I will have to download that, in terms of the searching thing, yeah I guess I will have to look on how to search for a certain term or something like that, and hopefully I can have it just as a document, I don’t want to have to open an app all the time to look at my book. If I’m not wrong, you’re from Florida correct? 
> 
>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:04 AM Miranda <knownoflove at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Jason,
>> Let me try to answer all of your questions. First, I believe there is some confusion. VitalSource it’s not the same as Amazon Kindle or audible. In fact, it is it’s own entity. The website is: www.vitalsource.com, and the app is found by searching for VitalSource on the App Store. The app shows up as bookshelf in the App Store and also when you download it to your iPhone.
>> As far as navigating a book on your iPhone, yes you do flick left and right as on a normal website or other screen. You are also able to search your book via the website and/or the iPhone app. As the search field on the website is dynamic, meaning that it updates as you type, I would suggest typing your search term into a plane text document, copying it, and pasting it into the search edit field on the website. This way, your screen reader does not slow down or lose its place due to the dynamic search field being automaticly updated. As I do not use a braillenote touch, I am not sure as to whether or not you can download the app from the Google play store to your device to use it. That would be pretty cool if you could though. I also do not know if this would work, but you might be able to go to the VitalSource website, log into your Bookshelf on your computer, and print your textbook to PDF in order to download it onto your braillenote Touch. You might lose access to navigation inside the book, so know that said PDF file may render navigation as far as headings and such difficult. However, if you are familiar with simply using a word document that does not contain such navigation, this may not be a concern for you.
>> I hope this helps, and have a successful semester!
>> 
>> Best wishes, Miranda
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 11, 2019, at 10:47 PM, JASON ALAMILLO <leadershipjba at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all, I also had some questions about vital source. So I am under the impression that you have to listen to it, either on their own version of audio or on the audio provided by VoiceOver, but from Miranda’s post, it seems like you can also just flick the screen to the left and right as though you are reading messages or websites. Which assumption am I correct on? I also want to know, as I have always just had my books transcribed into word documents by the DRC, and I have read them on my BrailleNote Touch or computer, is that also a possibility on this app? And if so, which format do the books come in if they are downloadable in a way to have them in this format instead of having them on a website or app all the time? If there is no way to keep them as formats that can skip having to use the web or the app all together any time we need to read our books, how can we search for paragraphs, words, quotes, and any other thing we may need within a book? When I went to download the app, on my phone it now says audible, is that the one we have to download or is there another one? And do we have to log in with our amazon accounts? If I have the app wrong, could someone please share the right one to this email conversation so I and others can download it? Thank you for all your help.
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 9, 2019, at 2:03 PM, Miranda via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Mike,
>>>> I have used this site quite frequently, and I recommend it to others. It is accessible via the website and the iPhone app. You would navigate the textbook as you would any other site. I would probably recommend Google Chrome as the most useful browser for navigating textbooks on vital source. As far as embossing books, I cannot personally speak to this as I have not done so.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 9, 2019, at 2:42 PM, Mike Gilmore via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I just found out about this list and decided to join.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm about to begin seminary.  I recently found out about Vital Source.  I have a question about it (I hope to use it if I can't find what I need on bookshare or Learning Ally or christianbook.com).
>>>>> 
>>>>> For those of you who have purchased or rented books from Vital Source, I'm curious to know about reading the books online (how it's done, what the best browser to use is, etc.)  I'm also curious to know whether there's a way to emboss these books.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you for all of your help ahead of time.  If you know of any other sources other than Vital Source, Learning Ally, audible, Christian book dot com, and bookshare where it may be possible to obtain books in formats other than hardcopy print, please feel free to chime in.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/knownoflove%40gmail.com
>>>> 
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>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leadershipjba%40gmail.com
>>> 

From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 13 12:52:24 2019
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 08:52:24 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Mailing Lists For Blind Employees
Message-ID: <5d52b28b.1c69fb81.d5981.52bd@mx.google.com>

Dear Students,

My name is Roanna Bacchus, and I am visually impaired. On Monday September 16th, 2019 I will officially become a working professional. I will be working as a Receptionist Assistant at a non-profit organization in Orlando, Florida. Do any of you know of any mailing lists dedicated to blind employees?

From mkvnfb94 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 13 12:59:11 2019
From: mkvnfb94 at gmail.com (Mariya Vasileva)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 08:59:11 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Mailing Lists For Blind Employees
In-Reply-To: <5d52b28b.1c69fb81.d5981.52bd@mx.google.com>
References: <5d52b28b.1c69fb81.d5981.52bd@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <DA1D8BDC-B78F-4E72-BD0F-DDA01831F208@gmail.com>

Hi, Rona, you can join the employers division of the NFB, Dick Davis is the chairperson of that division. They can be a great source in helping you through the employment process and when you have your job.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 13, 2019, at 08:52, rbacchus228--- via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Students,
> 
> My name is Roanna Bacchus, and I am visually impaired. On Monday September 16th, 2019 I will officially become a working professional. I will be working as a Receptionist Assistant at a non-profit organization in Orlando, Florida. Do any of you know of any mailing lists dedicated to blind employees?
> _______________________________________________
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mkvnfb94%40gmail.com


From paezja at mail.broward.edu  Tue Aug 13 14:29:40 2019
From: paezja at mail.broward.edu (Jorge Paez)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 14:29:40 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] Mailing Lists For Blind Employees
In-Reply-To: <5d52b28b.1c69fb81.d5981.52bd@mx.google.com>
References: <5d52b28b.1c69fb81.d5981.52bd@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <9C956416-79D0-4339-B823-243C563E236A@mail.broward.edu>

Hi Roanna:
I don’t know if you remember me, but my name is Jorge and I was in the Independent Living Skills program at around the same time you were in the Pre-Employment program in Daytona.
I think we were also friends on FB at one point when I was on FB but not sure since I never got to talk to you.
(I’m off FB now for personal and mental health reasons.)
Anyway, just wanted to reach out.
You’re welcome to stay in touch with me via this email if you want.

Hope everything is well.

Jorge





> On Aug 13, 2019, at 8:52 AM, rbacchus228--- via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of Broward College. DO NOT click links or open attachments unless are expecting the information and you recognize the sender.
> ________________________________
> 
> Dear Students,
> 
> My name is Roanna Bacchus, and I am visually impaired. On Monday September 16th, 2019 I will officially become a working professional. I will be working as a Receptionist Assistant at a non-profit organization in Orlando, Florida. Do any of you know of any mailing lists dedicated to blind employees?
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From armando.l.vias at gmail.com  Tue Aug 13 20:26:22 2019
From: armando.l.vias at gmail.com (Armando Vias)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 16:26:22 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] =?utf-8?q?Kodi_Lee_To_Perform_Live_On_America=E2=80=99s?=
 =?utf-8?q?_Got_Talent_-_The_Blind_Advocate?=
Message-ID: <506236FE-B684-4724-840E-144E38F84D6B@gmail.com>


https://theblindadvocate.com/news/kodi-lee-to-perform-live-on-agt/

Kodi Lee To Perform Live On America’s Got Talent
The Blind Advocate	August 12, 2019
On Tuesday, August 14, 2019, a 22-year-old blind man named Kodi Lee will be performing live on America’s Got Talent, (AGT). America’s Got Talent is a show where performers all ages perform different kinds of talent, including but not limited to magicians, singers, dancers, and other talents as well.

This is not the first time that Kodi Lee appeared on America’s Got Talent. He first appeared on May 28, 2019 where he performed a song on the piano. You can watch the performance below. Be sure to support him by watching his live performance on Tuesday, August 14, 2019 at 8:00 p.m. Eastern, only on NBC.

America’s Got Talent airs on Tuesday’s and Wednesdays at 8:00 p.m. Eastern Time only on NBC.


Want to send feedback about this post? Click here to send an email with your thoughts.



Armando
The Blind Advocate Blog
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From mkvnfb94 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 13 21:13:54 2019
From: mkvnfb94 at gmail.com (Mariya Vasileva)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 17:13:54 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Employment software accessibility question
Message-ID: <17A18953-7DF9-4B09-A3D2-3622D6EA4270@gmail.com>



Sent from my iPhone
Hi all, I just got a job at Johnson & Johnson to do customer service part time, and I will be required to use a software combination called Navision financial and Autoplus to be able to do work. I was curious if anybody has used this software on either a Mac or a Windows computer, and if so, how accessible is it?

From m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 13 23:13:57 2019
From: m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com (Mike Gilmore)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 23:13:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [NABS-L] page numbers on Vital Source
Message-ID: <679186730.5000361.1565738037461@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi everybody,

I have a question about reading books with a web browser on Vital Source.  Are the page numbers on the web version?  I know a lot of times on bookshare, the page numbers are included in the chapter while other times it's all one file with headings or separate screens for each chapter but no page numbers.

Mike


From dandrews920 at comcast.net  Tue Aug 13 23:29:47 2019
From: dandrews920 at comcast.net (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 18:29:47 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Mailing Lists For Blind Employees
In-Reply-To: <5d52b28b.1c69fb81.d5981.52bd@mx.google.com>
References: <5d52b28b.1c69fb81.d5981.52bd@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.343.1772982287.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

It depends on your field. all our lists are at 
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/

there is nabop for national organization of blind office professionals.

Dave

At 07:52 AM 8/13/2019, you wrote:
>Dear Students,
>
>My name is Roanna Bacchus, and I am visually impaired. On Monday 
>September 16th, 2019 I will officially become a working 
>professional. I will be working as a Receptionist Assistant at a 
>non-profit organization in Orlando, Florida. Do any of you know of 
>any mailing lists dedicated to blind employees?



From knownoflove at gmail.com  Wed Aug 14 01:09:31 2019
From: knownoflove at gmail.com (Miranda)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 21:09:31 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] page numbers on Vital Source
In-Reply-To: <679186730.5000361.1565738037461@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <679186730.5000361.1565738037461@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D6DA1EEB-60CC-4070-8B4D-7CC3556DCCAE@gmail.com>

If I remember correctly, the answer is yes. There is a go to page edit box where the page number should be listed. It’s worth verifying page numbers with a professor to make sure that the e-book pages match the print pages, etc.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 13, 2019, at 7:13 PM, Mike Gilmore via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi everybody,
> 
> I have a question about reading books with a web browser on Vital Source.  Are the page numbers on the web version?  I know a lot of times on bookshare, the page numbers are included in the chapter while other times it's all one file with headings or separate screens for each chapter but no page numbers.
> 
> Mike
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com  Wed Aug 14 02:00:55 2019
From: elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com (Elizabeth Rouse)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 21:00:55 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Compete in NABS Fantasy Football
Message-ID: <CANGwUJMmMcwbDnw=FsOaM7_Q-j2xJbE+4NTJDx3d=xTusSS8RA@mail.gmail.com>

 We are still looking for a few more participants for our Fantasy Football
leagues this year!
Entry is $25, but league winners take $100.
If you are interested in competing, contact one of our four commissioners.
Sal Villa (Texas)
Cody Beardslee (Minnesota)
Dustin Cather (Illinois)
Shannon Cantan (Hawaii)
-- 
Elizabeth Rouse
Chair | Fundraising Committee
Board Member | National Association of Blind Students
A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind
www.nabslink.org
elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com
563-210-1854

From elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com  Wed Aug 14 02:19:42 2019
From: elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com (Elizabeth Rouse)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 21:19:42 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Compete in NABS Fantasy Football
In-Reply-To: <1BF7041C-F573-483F-A127-B5CA0D5C77DC@nfbtn.org>
References: <CANGwUJMmMcwbDnw=FsOaM7_Q-j2xJbE+4NTJDx3d=xTusSS8RA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1BF7041C-F573-483F-A127-B5CA0D5C77DC@nfbtn.org>
Message-ID: <CANGwUJMee=iuuX82kt-yF4DfDY8VUK6WzUGMA=3qKw81oBKHgA@mail.gmail.com>

I put you in contact off list 😀

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 9:18 PM NFB Of TN VP <jboehm at nfbtn.org> wrote:

> Good evening students!
> I would like to participate again this year, but I did not see any contact
> information for the commissioners. Could someone be so kind to get me in
> contact with one of them? Encourage others to join, for it was lots of fun
> and competitive to the very end! Thank you for your help.
>
> James Alan Boehm
> Peabody College of Vanderbilt University
> Human Developmental Clinical Mental Health Counseling: M. ED.
>
> Contact Information
> Phone: 901-483-1515
> Email: James.A.Boehm at Vanderbilt.edu
> Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com
> NFB Email: JBoehm at NFB-TN.org
> Learning Ally: JBoehm at LearningAlly.org
> Kustom Cane: kustomcane at gmail.com
> You Cane Give Initiative: YuCaneGive at gmail.com
>
> Blindness is a mere characteristic not defining my abilities; the only
> disabilities in life are poor expectations and negative attitudes.
>
> > On Aug 13, 2019, at 9:02 PM, Elizabeth Rouse via NABS-L <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > We are still looking for a few more participants for our Fantasy Football
> > leagues this year!
> > Entry is $25, but league winners take $100.
> > If you are interested in competing, contact one of our four
> commissioners.
> > Sal Villa (Texas)
> > Cody Beardslee (Minnesota)
> > Dustin Cather (Illinois)
> > Shannon Cantan (Hawaii)
> > --
> > Elizabeth Rouse
> > Chair | Fundraising Committee
> > Board Member | National Association of Blind Students
> > A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind
> > www.nabslink.org
> > elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com
> > 563-210-1854
> > _______________________________________________
> > NABS-L mailing list
> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NABS-L:
> >
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jab2bs%40mtmail.mtsu.edu
>
-- 
Elizabeth Rouse
Chair | Fundraising Committee
Board Member | National Association of Blind Students
A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind
www.nabslink.org
elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com
563-210-1854

From cricketbidleman at gmail.com  Wed Aug 14 21:42:48 2019
From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 14:42:48 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] Fwd: [NFB-Talk] Aira launches free service - try it today!
References: <00ee01d552e8$cc694900$653bdb00$@michaelhingson.com>
Message-ID: <7896198E-D159-494E-AB64-3AF84765595B@gmail.com>



Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Mike Hingson via nFB-Talk <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Date: August 14, 2019 at 14:39:48 PDT
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>, <cagdu at nfbcal.org>, "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: mike at michaelhingson.com
> Subject: [NFB-Talk] Aira launches free service - try it today!
> Reply-To: mike at michaelhingson.com, NFB Talk Mailing List <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> 
> This just in from Aira. 
> 
> 
> 
> Starting today, you can make short calls to Aira agents for free - every
> day. So, whenever you're doing those short, daily tasks where a little extra
> information can save you a lot of time, Aira has you covered. 
> 
> 
> 
> There's no catch either. So long as the call is relatively quick (5
> minutes), it's free! Just make sure you have the latest version of the Aira
> app on your phone. 
> 
> 
> 
> To learn more, read the announcement from Aira:
> <http://www.aira.io/aira_is_free> www.aira.io/aira_is_free.
> 
> 
> 
> If you're not familiar with Aira, visit  <http://www.aira.io> www.aira.io to
> learn more about the service. You can also download the app directly from
> the home page. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Michael Hingson
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> nFB-Talk at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-talk_nfbnet.org
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From cricketbidleman at gmail.com  Fri Aug 16 22:52:14 2019
From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket X. Bidleman)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 15:52:14 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] Aira at universities
Message-ID: <CABP7S8Me+5iDUmGJ1CcUiXn4NUajZALsRxsAcQcjPiuexz1o_g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm the newly appointed "Education Subject-Matter Expert" at Aira;
it's a role that's taking shape over time. What I'd like to do is find
out whether Aira is useful at the university level because if there's
enough demand for it, I'll be spending quality time talking to various
offices, working on getting Aira access sponsored by the universities
themselves for both blind students and employees. And just a note that
when I say blind, I'm referring to Kenneth Jernigan's definition.
That's a good speech to read by the way. At any rate, if you're
interested, please reach out to me *off list* at
cricket.bidleman at aira.io. If there's a reason to generate conversation
on this list, feel free to do that too, of course. And please forward
this to all relevant individuals and mailing lists. Thanks!

Best,
Cricket
-- 
Cricket X. Bidleman (she/her/hers)
Stanford University | Class of 2021
BA Candidate | Communications
Accessibility Consultant | Stanford University Computer Science
Director of Communications | Associated Students of Stanford University (ASSU)
Education SME and Student Liaison | AIRA
Secretary | California Association of Blind Students (CABS)


From jaw1431 at jagmail.southalabama.edu  Sat Aug 17 15:11:30 2019
From: jaw1431 at jagmail.southalabama.edu (Jessica Williams)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2019 10:11:30 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Student division social activities
Message-ID: <DA6FC7D8-F80C-4481-9FA8-AEC1D7E9A7E6@jagmail.southalabama.edu>

Good morning Nabsters, 
Our student division is in the process of finalizing  and putting the last     finishing touches  on  our social event!!!! What are some favorable and most popular student  activities that you may have participated in ?? ?  

Sent  from my iPhone

From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 17 15:38:45 2019
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2019 11:38:45 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Student division social activities
Message-ID: <5d581f89.1c69fb81.fe3ea.c0e1@mx.google.com>

Ice cream socials and meals are popular among students.

On Aug 17, 2019 11:11 AM, Jessica Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Good morning Nabsters, 
> Our student division is in the process of finalizing  and putting the last     finishing touches  on  our social event!!!! What are some favorable and most popular student  activities that you may have participated in ?? ?  
>
> Sent  from my iPhone 
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: 
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com 

From ctate2076 at att.net  Sat Aug 17 15:54:49 2019
From: ctate2076 at att.net (ctate2076 at att.net)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2019 11:54:49 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Student division social activities
In-Reply-To: <5d581f89.1c69fb81.fe3ea.c0e1@mx.google.com>
References: <5d581f89.1c69fb81.fe3ea.c0e1@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <006c01d55514$1a7c5380$4f74fa80$@att.net>

Activities involving some kind of inexpensive food, like pizza, always work. Playing some music, along with the food is great. I've also been to activities that involve some kind of physical activity, like beep ball escape rooms or,  something that gets us doing activities as a team can work to. 

Camille 

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of rbacchus228--- via NABS-L
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 11:39 AM
To: Jessica Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: rbacchus228 at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Student division social activities

Ice cream socials and meals are popular among students.

On Aug 17, 2019 11:11 AM, Jessica Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Good morning Nabsters, 
> Our student division is in the process of finalizing  and putting the last     finishing touches  on  our social event!!!! What are some favorable and most popular student  activities that you may have participated in ?? ?  
>
> Sent  from my iPhone 
> _______________________________________________ 
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> NABS-L at nfbnet.org 
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org 
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: 
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com 
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From PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu  Sun Aug 18 09:01:37 2019
From: PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu (Justin Salisbury)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2019 09:01:37 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] REMINDER: Legislative Advocacy Committee Call Sunday,
 August 18, at 8 PM ET
Message-ID: <BYAPR13MB27740AEC5FFF69EC1D87F31B89A90@BYAPR13MB2774.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>

Aloha NABS members and leaders,

The Legislative Advocacy Committee is having our monthly conference call on Sunday, August 18, at 8:00 pm eastern. The call-in number is 712-770-5197, and the access code is 265669.

Here is a working agenda for the call:

I.	Call to Order 
II.	Introduction of New Committee Leadership and Members
III.	Review NFB Legislative Priorities
a.	Access Technology Affordability Act
b.	Greater Accessibility and Independence through Nonvisual Access Technology (GAIN) Act
c.	Transformation to Competitive Employment Act
IV.	Review of Ongoing Initiative: Article Writing 
V.	Identify at least five student divisions and affiliates with whom to collaborate to incorporate legislative components into State Convention meetings and sessions
VI.	Identify time frames, topics, and leaders for quarterly advocacy webinars/podcasts to display on NABS site, NABS Now podcast, Youtube channel, social media, and list 
VII.	Prepare to develop a student advocacy hour-long agenda for 2019 Washington Seminar by November 15, 2019. 
a.	This will be incorporated into our winter seminar on February 10, 2020. 
VIII.	Prepare to officially launch the advocacy training program through the Zoom platform:
a.	Identify participants from interested states
b.	Communicate with presenters
c.	Come up with a name
d.	Come up with a time frame
e.	Come up with a marketing plan involving national leadership
IX.	Spotlight on VR Agency in Arkansas
X.	Who wants to formally join the committee?
XI.	Old Business
XII.	New Business
XIII.	Adjournment


Don't hesitate to reach out to me if you have any questions!

Talk to you soon!

Much aloha,

Justin

Justin M. Hideaki Salisbury
he/him/his

Board Member | National Association of Blind Students
   A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind
(808) 797-8606
president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org







From cricketbidleman at gmail.com  Mon Aug 19 16:53:39 2019
From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket X. Bidleman)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 09:53:39 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] A note about Aira and the Back-to-School program
Message-ID: <CABP7S8P-UCKTwQQoxYi_fv+AwiwAhfM7N0aW-3mMUV+1nrS4fw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

First, I've heard from a few students who are interested in having
university sponsorship of Aira. I'll begin that process as soon as I
can, by talking to those students individually and then to their
universities. I'm very excited to be getting this process started.

Someone also emailed asking why I'm reaching out to this list. I'm
already aware that Aira is a useful service at the college level, but
what I'm primarily interested in is getting universities to sponsor
the service. This is not only for students, but also for new/visiting
professors, or professors in general, or tourists, or employees. And
it's also for students who are not already a part of the
Back-to-School program, because there are plenty. It's also for
students who may be in the BtS program, but who use up all of their
minutes every month. So please contact me at cricket.bidleman at aira.io
if you're interested or if you have questions.

Regarding the current cycle of the Back-to-School program, everyone
who applied should be hearing from us (not me though) some time this
week. Have a bit of patience, and recognize that we work hard to make
this happen. Thanks!

Best,
Cricket
-- 
Cricket X. Bidleman (she/her/hers)
Stanford University | Class of 2021
BA Candidate | Communications
Accessibility Consultant | Stanford University Computer Science
Director of Communications | Associated Students of Stanford University (ASSU)
Education SME and Student Liaison | AIRA
Secretary | California Association of Blind Students (CABS)


From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 21 07:25:07 2019
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 08:25:07 +0100
Subject: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there
Message-ID: <AD5436E1-1937-4391-994E-6DBEDC4A98C2@gmail.com>

Hi All,

Please do forgive me if this has been discussed before. I was wondering if you have any pointers about using online dating apps, from a blind person’s standpoint. So far, I have found Hinge to be most useful, as it is largely based on personality traits rather than looks, but have not received a single expression of interest.

Apart from dating apps, are there any other ways that you have foubnd of putting yourself out there?


Best,
Rahul

Sent from my iPhone

From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Wed Aug 21 07:41:42 2019
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 03:41:42 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there
In-Reply-To: <AD5436E1-1937-4391-994E-6DBEDC4A98C2@gmail.com>
References: <AD5436E1-1937-4391-994E-6DBEDC4A98C2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F49E8D07-E673-4440-B62A-590F5D7C784C@gmail.com>

I am curious about this as well. Thanks for asking! :)

Amanda

> On Aug 21, 2019, at 3:25 AM, Rahul Bajaj via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Please do forgive me if this has been discussed before. I was wondering if you have any pointers about using online dating apps, from a blind person’s standpoint. So far, I have found Hinge to be most useful, as it is largely based on personality traits rather than looks, but have not received a single expression of interest.
> 
> Apart from dating apps, are there any other ways that you have foubnd of putting yourself out there?
> 
> 
> Best,
> Rahul
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> _______________________________________________
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From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Wed Aug 21 07:46:06 2019
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 03:46:06 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Linguistics courses as a braille reader and Jaws user
Message-ID: <F58CFFF2-4822-4FF4-A7EA-346E366625B4@gmail.com>

Hi everyone,
Have any of you taken linguistics courses as a Jaws user and braille reader? I am interested in taking some and wanted to hear your experiences as I heard several years ago that understanding the phonetics symbols were a problem.
Thanks,

Amanda

From mcap at fastmail.com  Wed Aug 21 07:51:00 2019
From: mcap at fastmail.com (Michael Capelle)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 02:51:00 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there
In-Reply-To: <F49E8D07-E673-4440-B62A-590F5D7C784C@gmail.com>
References: <AD5436E1-1937-4391-994E-6DBEDC4A98C2@gmail.com>
	<F49E8D07-E673-4440-B62A-590F5D7C784C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000c01d557f5$2d716d70$88544850$@fastmail.com>

Same here

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Amanda via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 2:42 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: cape.amanda at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there

I am curious about this as well. Thanks for asking! :)

Amanda

> On Aug 21, 2019, at 3:25 AM, Rahul Bajaj via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Please do forgive me if this has been discussed before. I was wondering if you have any pointers about using online dating apps, from a blind person’s standpoint. So far, I have found Hinge to be most useful, as it is largely based on personality traits rather than looks, but have not received a single expression of interest.
> 
> Apart from dating apps, are there any other ways that you have foubnd of putting yourself out there?
> 
> 
> Best,
> Rahul
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> _______________________________________________
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> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From 1008jmd at gmail.com  Wed Aug 21 11:18:11 2019
From: 1008jmd at gmail.com (John Dowling)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 07:18:11 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there
Message-ID: <BD8B504D-641A-46BC-85BB-275B480000E9@gmail.com>

As have I.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 21, 2019, at 3:52 AM, Michael Capelle via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 


From sami.j.osborne97 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 21 11:52:01 2019
From: sami.j.osborne97 at gmail.com (Sami Osborne)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 07:52:01 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there
Message-ID: <5d5d3063.1c69fb81.8bc33.7020@mx.google.com>

Hi Rahul and all,

While I have never utilized dating sites myself, I would personally discourage this. This is not to say that no one should do it, of course—everyone makes their own personal choices, but in my opinion online dating is not really "dating" someone, even though you and your partner might consider it so. When you date someone, you are really in their presence (in person), a lot of the time, and you're constantly going out and showing affection with each other. For me personally, it's far easier to meet a potential partner when they live near where you live. There are lots of ways of meeting people in person (IE. maybe they work the same job as you, or maybe a friend could hook you up with your future partner, or maybe you'd meet them at a bar or other public venue, etc. Of course I presume (since I've never done this myself) that you could ask to have a partner close to home when setting up an online dating account, but you'd probably also have no guarantee of that; you could end up with someone 1000 miles away, and you might never end up seeing each other in person because you might not have the money, or some other reason.

Another thing that's an important factor in dating is attraction, so that you know who you really have feelings for. Again, I could be wrong about this, but I feel that this is probably a whole lot easier in person than virtually; when you're face-to-face with the person you want to be your partner, at least you know all the features that really draw you to them. With online dating you could very well end up with someone with something you don't like in reality, even though it might not appear that way (they could have bad breath (no offense)), or, if your partner is sighted, they could offer you compliments about, say, your hair or eyes that draws them to you. I seriously doubt they'd be able to do this while just spending time virtually.

Again, this is not to say that people shouldn't do online dating if they don't want to, but this is just my personal opinion on this. My understanding of "dating" is that you're constantly out doing things with your partner (as long as you both have deep attractions to), going out, showing affection, offering compliments, offer gifts to on their special day, and just hanging out with each other a lot. Furthermore, if you date a sighted partner, I'm pretty sure you'd want someone who would break up just because of your blindness, and who just will accept you for who you are as a person. Your partner would most certainly want to be someone who's willing to guide you around when necessary, describe the scenery when you're out if unfamiliar, and who just doesn't view  you as inferior and just accepts your blindness for what it is: just a part of your person, not the characteristic that defines you.
In fact, now that I think about it, this brings me to possibly another problem with online dating, especially if you're visually impaired: you could choose not to disclose to your partner that you have a vision loss, but then if you guys see one another, he/she would automatically see your cane or dog and then break up with you right on the spot, leaving you feeling terribly depressed. In person your partner will just see it and immediately be able to make the decision whether to go forward or not.

I hope I made some sense here. Again, I'm just expressing my rather strong opinion, not trying to discourage anyone or anything.

Thanks for reading,

Sami  

On Aug 21, 2019 3:51 AM, Michael Capelle via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Same here
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Amanda via NABS-L
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 2:42 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: cape.amanda at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there
>
> I am curious about this as well. Thanks for asking! :)
>
> Amanda
>
> > On Aug 21, 2019, at 3:25 AM, Rahul Bajaj via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > Please do forgive me if this has been discussed before. I was wondering if you have any pointers about using online dating apps, from a blind person’s standpoint. So far, I have found Hinge to be most useful, as it is largely based on personality traits rather than looks, but have not received a single expression of interest.
> > 
> > Apart from dating apps, are there any other ways that you have foubnd of putting yourself out there?
> > 
> > 
> > Best,
> > Rahul
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > _______________________________________________
> > NABS-L mailing list
> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From mcap at fastmail.com  Wed Aug 21 12:00:30 2019
From: mcap at fastmail.com (Michael Capelle)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 07:00:30 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there
In-Reply-To: <5d5d3063.1c69fb81.8bc33.7020@mx.google.com>
References: <5d5d3063.1c69fb81.8bc33.7020@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <000601d55818$080fcbd0$182f6370$@fastmail.com>

I have had bad luck with dating sights.  I have used pof, eharmony, no luck.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sami Osborne <sami.j.osborne97 at gmail.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 6:52 AM
To: Michael Capelle via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Michael Capelle <mcap at fastmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there

Hi Rahul and all,

While I have never utilized dating sites myself, I would personally discourage this. This is not to say that no one should do it, of course—everyone makes their own personal choices, but in my opinion online dating is not really "dating" someone, even though you and your partner might consider it so. When you date someone, you are really in their presence (in person), a lot of the time, and you're constantly going out and showing affection with each other. For me personally, it's far easier to meet a potential partner when they live near where you live. There are lots of ways of meeting people in person (IE. maybe they work the same job as you, or maybe a friend could hook you up with your future partner, or maybe you'd meet them at a bar or other public venue, etc. Of course I presume (since I've never done this myself) that you could ask to have a partner close to home when setting up an online dating account, but you'd probably also have no guarantee of that; you could end up with someone 1000 miles away, and you might never end up seeing each other in person because you might not have the money, or some other reason.

Another thing that's an important factor in dating is attraction, so that you know who you really have feelings for. Again, I could be wrong about this, but I feel that this is probably a whole lot easier in person than virtually; when you're face-to-face with the person you want to be your partner, at least you know all the features that really draw you to them. With online dating you could very well end up with someone with something you don't like in reality, even though it might not appear that way (they could have bad breath (no offense)), or, if your partner is sighted, they could offer you compliments about, say, your hair or eyes that draws them to you. I seriously doubt they'd be able to do this while just spending time virtually.

Again, this is not to say that people shouldn't do online dating if they don't want to, but this is just my personal opinion on this. My understanding of "dating" is that you're constantly out doing things with your partner (as long as you both have deep attractions to), going out, showing affection, offering compliments, offer gifts to on their special day, and just hanging out with each other a lot. Furthermore, if you date a sighted partner, I'm pretty sure you'd want someone who would break up just because of your blindness, and who just will accept you for who you are as a person. Your partner would most certainly want to be someone who's willing to guide you around when necessary, describe the scenery when you're out if unfamiliar, and who just doesn't view  you as inferior and just accepts your blindness for what it is: just a part of your person, not the characteristic that defines you.
In fact, now that I think about it, this brings me to possibly another problem with online dating, especially if you're visually impaired: you could choose not to disclose to your partner that you have a vision loss, but then if you guys see one another, he/she would automatically see your cane or dog and then break up with you right on the spot, leaving you feeling terribly depressed. In person your partner will just see it and immediately be able to make the decision whether to go forward or not.

I hope I made some sense here. Again, I'm just expressing my rather strong opinion, not trying to discourage anyone or anything.

Thanks for reading,

Sami  

On Aug 21, 2019 3:51 AM, Michael Capelle via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Same here
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Amanda via NABS-L
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 2:42 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: cape.amanda at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there
>
> I am curious about this as well. Thanks for asking! :)
>
> Amanda
>
> > On Aug 21, 2019, at 3:25 AM, Rahul Bajaj via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > Please do forgive me if this has been discussed before. I was wondering if you have any pointers about using online dating apps, from a blind person’s standpoint. So far, I have found Hinge to be most useful, as it is largely based on personality traits rather than looks, but have not received a single expression of interest.
> > 
> > Apart from dating apps, are there any other ways that you have foubnd of putting yourself out there?
> > 
> > 
> > Best,
> > Rahul
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > _______________________________________________
> > NABS-L mailing list
> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com
>
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From ctate2076 at att.net  Wed Aug 21 12:40:06 2019
From: ctate2076 at att.net (ctate2076 at att.net)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 08:40:06 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there
In-Reply-To: <000601d55818$080fcbd0$182f6370$@fastmail.com>
References: <5d5d3063.1c69fb81.8bc33.7020@mx.google.com>
	<000601d55818$080fcbd0$182f6370$@fastmail.com>
Message-ID: <001201d5581d$9080e580$b182b080$@att.net>

I have also used dating websites, such as POF and Ok Cupid. I do not recommend them mostly because it fosters a false sense of happiness that is illusory. Whether or not you disclose your blindness, most people (in my experience it is the males) do not read your profile. They see your picture and then message you. Once you let them know you are blind, nearly all of them will disappear. It is very disheartening when that happens. 

Secondly, it is virtually impossible to grow attraction and genuine feelings through a computer. You have to have the ability to spend real time with each other to know if the initial attraction is true or not. 

I also think it is harder to discern whether the perspective partner is truthful with you about themselves or not. 

I think the best way to meet people is to go out into your community. You never know who is around the corner, so let everyone see you out there! 

Thanks,
Camille 

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Michael Capelle via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 8:01 AM
To: 'Sami Osborne' <sami.j.osborne97 at gmail.com>; 'Michael Capelle via NABS-L' <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Michael Capelle <mcap at fastmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there

I have had bad luck with dating sights.  I have used pof, eharmony, no luck.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sami Osborne <sami.j.osborne97 at gmail.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 6:52 AM
To: Michael Capelle via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Michael Capelle <mcap at fastmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there

Hi Rahul and all,

While I have never utilized dating sites myself, I would personally discourage this. This is not to say that no one should do it, of course—everyone makes their own personal choices, but in my opinion online dating is not really "dating" someone, even though you and your partner might consider it so. When you date someone, you are really in their presence (in person), a lot of the time, and you're constantly going out and showing affection with each other. For me personally, it's far easier to meet a potential partner when they live near where you live. There are lots of ways of meeting people in person (IE. maybe they work the same job as you, or maybe a friend could hook you up with your future partner, or maybe you'd meet them at a bar or other public venue, etc. Of course I presume (since I've never done this myself) that you could ask to have a partner close to home when setting up an online dating account, but you'd probably also have no guarantee of that; you could end up with someone 1000 miles away, and you might never end up seeing each other in person because you might not have the money, or some other reason.

Another thing that's an important factor in dating is attraction, so that you know who you really have feelings for. Again, I could be wrong about this, but I feel that this is probably a whole lot easier in person than virtually; when you're face-to-face with the person you want to be your partner, at least you know all the features that really draw you to them. With online dating you could very well end up with someone with something you don't like in reality, even though it might not appear that way (they could have bad breath (no offense)), or, if your partner is sighted, they could offer you compliments about, say, your hair or eyes that draws them to you. I seriously doubt they'd be able to do this while just spending time virtually.

Again, this is not to say that people shouldn't do online dating if they don't want to, but this is just my personal opinion on this. My understanding of "dating" is that you're constantly out doing things with your partner (as long as you both have deep attractions to), going out, showing affection, offering compliments, offer gifts to on their special day, and just hanging out with each other a lot. Furthermore, if you date a sighted partner, I'm pretty sure you'd want someone who would break up just because of your blindness, and who just will accept you for who you are as a person. Your partner would most certainly want to be someone who's willing to guide you around when necessary, describe the scenery when you're out if unfamiliar, and who just doesn't view  you as inferior and just accepts your blindness for what it is: just a part of your person, not the characteristic that defines you.
In fact, now that I think about it, this brings me to possibly another problem with online dating, especially if you're visually impaired: you could choose not to disclose to your partner that you have a vision loss, but then if you guys see one another, he/she would automatically see your cane or dog and then break up with you right on the spot, leaving you feeling terribly depressed. In person your partner will just see it and immediately be able to make the decision whether to go forward or not.

I hope I made some sense here. Again, I'm just expressing my rather strong opinion, not trying to discourage anyone or anything.

Thanks for reading,

Sami  

On Aug 21, 2019 3:51 AM, Michael Capelle via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Same here
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Amanda via NABS-L
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 2:42 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: cape.amanda at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there
>
> I am curious about this as well. Thanks for asking! :)
>
> Amanda
>
> > On Aug 21, 2019, at 3:25 AM, Rahul Bajaj via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > Please do forgive me if this has been discussed before. I was wondering if you have any pointers about using online dating apps, from a blind person’s standpoint. So far, I have found Hinge to be most useful, as it is largely based on personality traits rather than looks, but have not received a single expression of interest.
> > 
> > Apart from dating apps, are there any other ways that you have foubnd of putting yourself out there?
> > 
> > 
> > Best,
> > Rahul
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > _______________________________________________
> > NABS-L mailing list
> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 21 13:37:28 2019
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 09:37:28 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there
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I've met two persons who are blind who have met and married off Christian mingle.  Not the site I would have expected such to take place on, but, there it is.  

Dating web sites are just tools in the bag.  Transportation and seeing who is together  whey you are out is difficult for some of us, and so online dating is another avenue.  

I would do research on online dating with a disability just to get a prospective.  

I would suggest disclosing right before the date rather than in your profile, or surprising anyone.  There again, though, I know another couple who met online, one is blind and the other isn't, and the person who is blind surprised the other person and they are still together ten years later.  So, anything works, but a sudden shock or surprise is usually going to work against you.  I said usually, keep that in mind.

Do some research on how to write profiles to give you some ideas.

Get a good picture or head shot.  Most people, especially women won't e-mail you without a picture.

One advantage to online dating is that you know the people are there to date, or at least, they have a profile saying so.  That's good.  Meeting people face to face, you've got no clue, and they might be with someone at the time.

However, I would say that for us, online dating is a little of a disadvantage because you won't be able to see the person, and you're relying on description.  Also, when you disclose, the person will disappear, that is why I'm suggesting you to disclose  right before the date after they've said yes.  Do it is if you are describing what you look like, or something.  Don't make it a big deal. Be casual.  I've just found that disclosing at most other times, they disappear.  Pick restaurants or areas you are familiar with, and look up the menu before you get there so you know what you want and the date doesn't have to read the menu for the first time.  Or, just go to coffee, that's easier, and what I would do.  

I didn't do this, but anyone your interested in, or anyone who e-mails you, if you are interested, forward them to a friend for them to get a look.  I didn't do this, though, It is kind of impractical sometimes.

One more thing,

Good luck.

Knockem dead.

Justin










I have found that in my experience, almost noone introduces the blind guy to the girl among the community.  


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Camille Tate via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 8:40 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; 'Sami Osborne' <sami.j.osborne97 at gmail.com>
Cc: ctate2076 at att.net
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there

I have also used dating websites, such as POF and Ok Cupid. I do not recommend them mostly because it fosters a false sense of happiness that is illusory. Whether or not you disclose your blindness, most people (in my experience it is the males) do not read your profile. They see your picture and then message you. Once you let them know you are blind, nearly all of them will disappear. It is very disheartening when that happens. 

Secondly, it is virtually impossible to grow attraction and genuine feelings through a computer. You have to have the ability to spend real time with each other to know if the initial attraction is true or not. 

I also think it is harder to discern whether the perspective partner is truthful with you about themselves or not. 

I think the best way to meet people is to go out into your community. You never know who is around the corner, so let everyone see you out there! 

Thanks,
Camille 

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Michael Capelle via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 8:01 AM
To: 'Sami Osborne' <sami.j.osborne97 at gmail.com>; 'Michael Capelle via NABS-L' <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Michael Capelle <mcap at fastmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there

I have had bad luck with dating sights.  I have used pof, eharmony, no luck.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sami Osborne <sami.j.osborne97 at gmail.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 6:52 AM
To: Michael Capelle via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Michael Capelle <mcap at fastmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there

Hi Rahul and all,

While I have never utilized dating sites myself, I would personally discourage this. This is not to say that no one should do it, of course—everyone makes their own personal choices, but in my opinion online dating is not really "dating" someone, even though you and your partner might consider it so. When you date someone, you are really in their presence (in person), a lot of the time, and you're constantly going out and showing affection with each other. For me personally, it's far easier to meet a potential partner when they live near where you live. There are lots of ways of meeting people in person (IE. maybe they work the same job as you, or maybe a friend could hook you up with your future partner, or maybe you'd meet them at a bar or other public venue, etc. Of course I presume (since I've never done this myself) that you could ask to have a partner close to home when setting up an online dating account, but you'd probably also have no guarantee of that; you could end up with someone 1000 miles away, and you might never end up seeing each other in person because you might not have the money, or some other reason.

Another thing that's an important factor in dating is attraction, so that you know who you really have feelings for. Again, I could be wrong about this, but I feel that this is probably a whole lot easier in person than virtually; when you're face-to-face with the person you want to be your partner, at least you know all the features that really draw you to them. With online dating you could very well end up with someone with something you don't like in reality, even though it might not appear that way (they could have bad breath (no offense)), or, if your partner is sighted, they could offer you compliments about, say, your hair or eyes that draws them to you. I seriously doubt they'd be able to do this while just spending time virtually.

Again, this is not to say that people shouldn't do online dating if they don't want to, but this is just my personal opinion on this. My understanding of "dating" is that you're constantly out doing things with your partner (as long as you both have deep attractions to), going out, showing affection, offering compliments, offer gifts to on their special day, and just hanging out with each other a lot. Furthermore, if you date a sighted partner, I'm pretty sure you'd want someone who would break up just because of your blindness, and who just will accept you for who you are as a person. Your partner would most certainly want to be someone who's willing to guide you around when necessary, describe the scenery when you're out if unfamiliar, and who just doesn't view  you as inferior and just accepts your blindness for what it is: just a part of your person, not the characteristic that defines you.
In fact, now that I think about it, this brings me to possibly another problem with online dating, especially if you're visually impaired: you could choose not to disclose to your partner that you have a vision loss, but then if you guys see one another, he/she would automatically see your cane or dog and then break up with you right on the spot, leaving you feeling terribly depressed. In person your partner will just see it and immediately be able to make the decision whether to go forward or not.

I hope I made some sense here. Again, I'm just expressing my rather strong opinion, not trying to discourage anyone or anything.

Thanks for reading,

Sami  

On Aug 21, 2019 3:51 AM, Michael Capelle via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Same here
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Amanda via NABS-L
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 2:42 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: cape.amanda at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there
>
> I am curious about this as well. Thanks for asking! :)
>
> Amanda
>
> > On Aug 21, 2019, at 3:25 AM, Rahul Bajaj via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > Please do forgive me if this has been discussed before. I was wondering if you have any pointers about using online dating apps, from a blind person’s standpoint. So far, I have found Hinge to be most useful, as it is largely based on personality traits rather than looks, but have not received a single expression of interest.
> > 
> > Apart from dating apps, are there any other ways that you have foubnd of putting yourself out there?
> > 
> > 
> > Best,
> > Rahul
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Wed Aug 21 15:43:52 2019
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 08:43:52 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there
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I'd be curious, when it comes to online dating, when people disclose their blindness: Do they do so right away, or wait until they actually meet? (I know this is subjective for everyone).
I think that online dating is a good way to meet people but that one must be careful where they go. For example, a friend was showing me their Tinder profile, and the bios of people seem very superficial, so you really don't know what the person is like. (I've also been told that this site shouldn't be taken seriously, but that's down to opinion).
Vejas 

> On 21 Aug 2019, at 04:52, Sami Osborne via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Rahul and all,
> 
> While I have never utilized dating sites myself, I would personally discourage this. This is not to say that no one should do it, of course—everyone makes their own personal choices, but in my opinion online dating is not really "dating" someone, even though you and your partner might consider it so. When you date someone, you are really in their presence (in person), a lot of the time, and you're constantly going out and showing affection with each other. For me personally, it's far easier to meet a potential partner when they live near where you live. There are lots of ways of meeting people in person (IE. maybe they work the same job as you, or maybe a friend could hook you up with your future partner, or maybe you'd meet them at a bar or other public venue, etc. Of course I presume (since I've never done this myself) that you could ask to have a partner close to home when setting up an online dating account, but you'd probably also have no guarantee of that; you could end up with someone 1000 miles away, and you might never end up seeing each other in person because you might not have the money, or some other reason.
> 
> Another thing that's an important factor in dating is attraction, so that you know who you really have feelings for. Again, I could be wrong about this, but I feel that this is probably a whole lot easier in person than virtually; when you're face-to-face with the person you want to be your partner, at least you know all the features that really draw you to them. With online dating you could very well end up with someone with something you don't like in reality, even though it might not appear that way (they could have bad breath (no offense)), or, if your partner is sighted, they could offer you compliments about, say, your hair or eyes that draws them to you. I seriously doubt they'd be able to do this while just spending time virtually.
> 
> Again, this is not to say that people shouldn't do online dating if they don't want to, but this is just my personal opinion on this. My understanding of "dating" is that you're constantly out doing things with your partner (as long as you both have deep attractions to), going out, showing affection, offering compliments, offer gifts to on their special day, and just hanging out with each other a lot. Furthermore, if you date a sighted partner, I'm pretty sure you'd want someone who would break up just because of your blindness, and who just will accept you for who you are as a person. Your partner would most certainly want to be someone who's willing to guide you around when necessary, describe the scenery when you're out if unfamiliar, and who just doesn't view  you as inferior and just accepts your blindness for what it is: just a part of your person, not the characteristic that defines you.
> In fact, now that I think about it, this brings me to possibly another problem with online dating, especially if you're visually impaired: you could choose not to disclose to your partner that you have a vision loss, but then if you guys see one another, he/she would automatically see your cane or dog and then break up with you right on the spot, leaving you feeling terribly depressed. In person your partner will just see it and immediately be able to make the decision whether to go forward or not.
> 
> I hope I made some sense here. Again, I'm just expressing my rather strong opinion, not trying to discourage anyone or anything.
> 
> Thanks for reading,
> 
> Sami  
> 
>> On Aug 21, 2019 3:51 AM, Michael Capelle via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Same here
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Amanda via NABS-L
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 2:42 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: cape.amanda at gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there
>> 
>> I am curious about this as well. Thanks for asking! :)
>> 
>> Amanda
>> 
>>> On Aug 21, 2019, at 3:25 AM, Rahul Bajaj via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> Please do forgive me if this has been discussed before. I was wondering if you have any pointers about using online dating apps, from a blind person’s standpoint. So far, I have found Hinge to be most useful, as it is largely based on personality traits rather than looks, but have not received a single expression of interest.
>>> 
>>> Apart from dating apps, are there any other ways that you have foubnd of putting yourself out there?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Rahul
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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From mkvnfb94 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 21 16:20:05 2019
From: mkvnfb94 at gmail.com (Mariya Vasileva)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 12:20:05 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there
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I absolutely agree with Camille if I’m not mistaken, who wrote the email about how dating traditionally is supposed to be a person to person kind of meeting, seen as you don’t know who this person may be and what they may be like. However, I also agree that the online version of it is another alternative if transportation or other things can be a beast to make that a personal contact session. I have a profile on OkCupid, and I have explicitly disclosed the fact that I am blind without any hesitation, and I’ve had it both ways. I’ve had people ask me about it and become interested in it for their own knowledge, while others would either send really stupid questions which are only one or two so far, or they would un-match because of maybe something that I said or other factors that I’m not aware of, but some people may think that blindness may be the reason. You never know.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 21, 2019, at 11:43, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I'd be curious, when it comes to online dating, when people disclose their blindness: Do they do so right away, or wait until they actually meet? (I know this is subjective for everyone).
> I think that online dating is a good way to meet people but that one must be careful where they go. For example, a friend was showing me their Tinder profile, and the bios of people seem very superficial, so you really don't know what the person is like. (I've also been told that this site shouldn't be taken seriously, but that's down to opinion).
> Vejas 
> 
>> On 21 Aug 2019, at 04:52, Sami Osborne via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Rahul and all,
>> 
>> While I have never utilized dating sites myself, I would personally discourage this. This is not to say that no one should do it, of course—everyone makes their own personal choices, but in my opinion online dating is not really "dating" someone, even though you and your partner might consider it so. When you date someone, you are really in their presence (in person), a lot of the time, and you're constantly going out and showing affection with each other. For me personally, it's far easier to meet a potential partner when they live near where you live. There are lots of ways of meeting people in person (IE. maybe they work the same job as you, or maybe a friend could hook you up with your future partner, or maybe you'd meet them at a bar or other public venue, etc. Of course I presume (since I've never done this myself) that you could ask to have a partner close to home when setting up an online dating account, but you'd probably also have no guarantee of that; you could end up with someone 1000 miles away, and you might never end up seeing each other in person because you might not have the money, or some other reason.
>> 
>> Another thing that's an important factor in dating is attraction, so that you know who you really have feelings for. Again, I could be wrong about this, but I feel that this is probably a whole lot easier in person than virtually; when you're face-to-face with the person you want to be your partner, at least you know all the features that really draw you to them. With online dating you could very well end up with someone with something you don't like in reality, even though it might not appear that way (they could have bad breath (no offense)), or, if your partner is sighted, they could offer you compliments about, say, your hair or eyes that draws them to you. I seriously doubt they'd be able to do this while just spending time virtually.
>> 
>> Again, this is not to say that people shouldn't do online dating if they don't want to, but this is just my personal opinion on this. My understanding of "dating" is that you're constantly out doing things with your partner (as long as you both have deep attractions to), going out, showing affection, offering compliments, offer gifts to on their special day, and just hanging out with each other a lot. Furthermore, if you date a sighted partner, I'm pretty sure you'd want someone who would break up just because of your blindness, and who just will accept you for who you are as a person. Your partner would most certainly want to be someone who's willing to guide you around when necessary, describe the scenery when you're out if unfamiliar, and who just doesn't view  you as inferior and just accepts your blindness for what it is: just a part of your person, not the characteristic that defines you.
>> In fact, now that I think about it, this brings me to possibly another problem with online dating, especially if you're visually impaired: you could choose not to disclose to your partner that you have a vision loss, but then if you guys see one another, he/she would automatically see your cane or dog and then break up with you right on the spot, leaving you feeling terribly depressed. In person your partner will just see it and immediately be able to make the decision whether to go forward or not.
>> 
>> I hope I made some sense here. Again, I'm just expressing my rather strong opinion, not trying to discourage anyone or anything.
>> 
>> Thanks for reading,
>> 
>> Sami  
>> 
>>> On Aug 21, 2019 3:51 AM, Michael Capelle via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Same here
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Amanda via NABS-L
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 2:42 AM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: cape.amanda at gmail.com
>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there
>>> 
>>> I am curious about this as well. Thanks for asking! :)
>>> 
>>> Amanda
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 21, 2019, at 3:25 AM, Rahul Bajaj via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> 
>>>> Please do forgive me if this has been discussed before. I was wondering if you have any pointers about using online dating apps, from a blind person’s standpoint. So far, I have found Hinge to be most useful, as it is largely based on personality traits rather than looks, but have not received a single expression of interest.
>>>> 
>>>> Apart from dating apps, are there any other ways that you have foubnd of putting yourself out there?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Rahul
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> _______________________________________________
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 21 17:13:04 2019
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 13:13:04 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there
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,=20it=20is=20
really=20discouraging=20at=20times=20because,=20especially=20as=20a=20guy,=
=20you=20
have=20to=20swipe=20on=20hundreds=20of=20people=20before=20any=20message=20=
you=20back=20
because=20all=20the=20sites=20have=20many=20more=20men=20than=20women=20amo=
ng=20other=20
things.=20=20Make=20sure=20you=20find=20a=20good=20sighted=20friend=20to=20=
put=20up=20a=20
picture=20of=20you=20because=20sighted=20people=20won't=20be=20interested=20=
without=20
one=20(people=20without=20pictures=20are=20typically=20cheaters=20who=20don=
't=20
want=20to=20be=20recognized=20or=20sometimes=20scammers).

HTH,
Karl

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Rahul=20Bajaj=20via=20NABS-L=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Wed,=2021=20Aug=202019=2008:25:07=20+0100
Subject:=20[NABS-L]=20Using=20online=20dating=20apps=20and=20putting=20ones=
elf=20
out=20there

Hi=20All,

Please=20do=20forgive=20me=20if=20this=20has=20been=20discussed=20before.=20=
I=20was=20
wondering=20if=20you=20have=20any=20pointers=20about=20using=20online=20dat=
ing=20
apps,=20from=20a=20blind=20person=E2=80=99s=20standpoint.=20So=20far,=20I=20=
have=20found=20
Hinge=20to=20be=20most=20useful,=20as=20it=20is=20largely=20based=20on=20pe=
rsonality=20
traits=20rather=20than=20looks,=20but=20have=20not=20received=20a=20single=
=20
expression=20of=20interest.

Apart=20from=20dating=20apps,=20are=20there=20any=20other=20ways=20that=20y=
ou=20have=20
foubnd=20of=20putting=20yourself=20out=20there?


Best,
Rahul

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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 21 17:13:02 2019
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 13:13:02 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there
Message-ID: <5d5d7ba7.1c69fb81.cb6f0.9fea@mx.google.com>

Hi=20Sami,=20it=20sounds=20like=20you=20don't=20really=20understand=20what=
=20online=20
dating=20apps=20are.=20=20As=20most=20people=20use=20them,=20the=20point=20=
is=20to=20match=20
with=20someone=20who=20lives=20near=20to=20you,=20talk=20for=20a=20bit,=20a=
nd=20then=20go=20
on=20a=20date=20in=20person=20and=20see=20how=20things=20go.=20=20The=20vas=
t=20majority=20of=20
people=20aren't=20interested=20in=20matching=20with=20someone=20far=20away,=
=20for=20
precisely=20the=20reasons=20you=20mention,=20and=20any=20main=20stream=20da=
ting=20app=20
lets=20you=20set=20how=20close=20you=20want=20someone=20to=20be=20in=20orde=
r=20to=20see=20
their=20profile.=20=20The=20idea=20isn't,=20at=20least=20for=20the=20vast=20=
majority=20of=20
people,=20to=20enter=20a=20relationship=20with=20someone=20you've=20never=20=
met,=20
it's=20just=20another=20way=20of=20arranging=20to=20meet=20someone=20other=
=20than=20
having=20your=20friend=20set=20you=20up=20or=20trying=20to=20meet=20someone=
=20in=20a=20bar=20
(which=20at=20least=20for=20me=20is=20a=20lot=20less=20accessible).

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Sami=20Osborne=20via=20NABS-L=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20Michael=20Capelle=20via=20NABS-L=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Wed,=2021=20Aug=202019=2007:52:01=20-0400
Subject:=20Re:=20[NABS-L]=20Using=20online=20dating=20apps=20and=20putting=
=20
oneself=20out=20there

Hi=20Rahul=20and=20all,

While=20I=20have=20never=20utilized=20dating=20sites=20myself,=20I=20would=
=20
personally=20discourage=20this.=20This=20is=20not=20to=20say=20that=20no=20=
one=20should=20
do=20it,=20of=20course=E2=80=94everyone=20makes=20their=20own=20personal=20=
choices,=20but=20
in=20my=20opinion=20online=20dating=20is=20not=20really=20"dating"=20someon=
e,=20even=20
though=20you=20and=20your=20partner=20might=20consider=20it=20so.=20When=20=
you=20date=20
someone,=20you=20are=20really=20in=20their=20presence=20(in=20person),=20a=
=20lot=20of=20
the=20time,=20and=20you're=20constantly=20going=20out=20and=20showing=20aff=
ection=20
with=20each=20other.=20For=20me=20personally,=20it's=20far=20easier=20to=20=
meet=20a=20
potential=20partner=20when=20they=20live=20near=20where=20you=20live.=20The=
re=20are=20
lots=20of=20ways=20of=20meeting=20people=20in=20person=20(IE.=20maybe=20the=
y=20work=20the=20
same=20job=20as=20you,=20or=20maybe=20a=20friend=20could=20hook=20you=20up=
=20with=20your=20
future=20partner,=20or=20maybe=20you'd=20meet=20them=20at=20a=20bar=20or=20=
other=20public=20
venue,=20etc.=20Of=20course=20I=20presume=20(since=20I've=20never=20done=20=
this=20
myself)=20that=20you=20could=20ask=20to=20have=20a=20partner=20close=20to=20=
home=20when=20
setting=20up=20an=20online=20dating=20account,=20but=20you'd=20probably=20a=
lso=20have=20
no=20guarantee=20of=20that;=20you=20could=20end=20up=20with=20someone=20100=
0=20miles=20
away,=20and=20you=20might=20never=20end=20up=20seeing=20each=20other=20in=20=
person=20
because=20you=20might=20not=20have=20the=20money,=20or=20some=20other=20rea=
son.

Another=20thing=20that's=20an=20important=20factor=20in=20dating=20is=20att=
raction,=20
so=20that=20you=20know=20who=20you=20really=20have=20feelings=20for.=20Agai=
n,=20I=20could=20
be=20wrong=20about=20this,=20but=20I=20feel=20that=20this=20is=20probably=20=
a=20whole=20lot=20
easier=20in=20person=20than=20virtually;=20when=20you're=20face-to-face=20w=
ith=20
the=20person=20you=20want=20to=20be=20your=20partner,=20at=20least=20you=20=
know=20all=20the=20
features=20that=20really=20draw=20you=20to=20them.=20With=20online=20dating=
=20you=20
could=20very=20well=20end=20up=20with=20someone=20with=20something=20you=20=
don't=20like=20
in=20reality,=20even=20though=20it=20might=20not=20appear=20that=20way=20(t=
hey=20could=20
have=20bad=20breath=20(no=20offense)),=20or,=20if=20your=20partner=20is=20s=
ighted,=20
they=20could=20offer=20you=20compliments=20about,=20say,=20your=20hair=20or=
=20eyes=20
that=20draws=20them=20to=20you.=20I=20seriously=20doubt=20they'd=20be=20abl=
e=20to=20do=20
this=20while=20just=20spending=20time=20virtually.

Again,=20this=20is=20not=20to=20say=20that=20people=20shouldn't=20do=20onli=
ne=20dating=20
if=20they=20don't=20want=20to,=20but=20this=20is=20just=20my=20personal=20o=
pinion=20on=20
this.=20My=20understanding=20of=20"dating"=20is=20that=20you're=20constantl=
y=20out=20
doing=20things=20with=20your=20partner=20(as=20long=20as=20you=20both=20hav=
e=20deep=20
attractions=20to),=20going=20out,=20showing=20affection,=20offering=20
compliments,=20offer=20gifts=20to=20on=20their=20special=20day,=20and=20jus=
t=20
hanging=20out=20with=20each=20other=20a=20lot.=20Furthermore,=20if=20you=20=
date=20a=20
sighted=20partner,=20I'm=20pretty=20sure=20you'd=20want=20someone=20who=20w=
ould=20
break=20up=20just=20because=20of=20your=20blindness,=20and=20who=20just=20w=
ill=20accept=20
you=20for=20who=20you=20are=20as=20a=20person.=20Your=20partner=20would=20m=
ost=20
certainly=20want=20to=20be=20someone=20who's=20willing=20to=20guide=20you=20=
around=20
when=20necessary,=20describe=20the=20scenery=20when=20you're=20out=20if=20
unfamiliar,=20and=20who=20just=20doesn't=20view=C2=A0=20you=20as=20inferior=
=20and=20just=20
accepts=20your=20blindness=20for=20what=20it=20is:=20just=20a=20part=20of=20=
your=20
person,=20not=20the=20characteristic=20that=20defines=20you.
In=20fact,=20now=20that=20I=20think=20about=20it,=20this=20brings=20me=20to=
=20possibly=20
another=20problem=20with=20online=20dating,=20especially=20if=20you're=20vi=
sually=20
impaired:=20you=20could=20choose=20not=20to=20disclose=20to=20your=20partne=
r=20that=20
you=20have=20a=20vision=20loss,=20but=20then=20if=20you=20guys=20see=20one=
=20another,=20
he/she=20would=20automatically=20see=20your=20cane=20or=20dog=20and=20then=
=20break=20up=20
with=20you=20right=20on=20the=20spot,=20leaving=20you=20feeling=20terribly=
=20
depressed.=20In=20person=20your=20partner=20will=20just=20see=20it=20and=20=

immediately=20be=20able=20to=20make=20the=20decision=20whether=20to=20go=20=
forward=20or=20
not.

I=20hope=20I=20made=20some=20sense=20here.=20Again,=20I'm=20just=20expressi=
ng=20my=20
rather=20strong=20opinion,=20not=20trying=20to=20discourage=20anyone=20or=20=

anything.

Thanks=20for=20reading,

Sami=C2=A0=C2=A0

On=20Aug=2021,=202019=203:51=20AM,=20Michael=20Capelle=20via=20NABS-L=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:

=20Same=20here

=20-----Original=20Message-----
=20From:=20NABS-L=20<nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org>=20On=20Behalf=20Of=20Amanda=
=20via=20
NABS-L
=20Sent:=20Wednesday,=20August=2021,=202019=202:42=20AM
=20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20=

<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Cc:=20cape.amanda at gmail.com
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[NABS-L]=20Using=20online=20dating=20apps=20and=20putti=
ng=20
oneself=20out=20there

=20I=20am=20curious=20about=20this=20as=20well.=20Thanks=20for=20asking!=20=
:)

=20Amanda

=20On=20Aug=2021,=202019,=20at=203:25=20AM,=20Rahul=20Bajaj=20via=20NABS-L=
=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:

=20Hi=20All,

=20Please=20do=20forgive=20me=20if=20this=20has=20been=20discussed=20before=
.=20I=20was=20
wondering=20if=20you=20have=20any=20pointers=20about=20using=20online=20dat=
ing=20
apps,=20from=20a=20blind=20person=E2=80=99s=20standpoint.=20So=20far,=20I=20=
have=20found=20
Hinge=20to=20be=20most=20useful,=20as=20it=20is=20largely=20based=20on=20pe=
rsonality=20
traits=20rather=20than=20looks,=20but=20have=20not=20received=20a=20single=
=20
expression=20of=20interest.

=20Apart=20from=20dating=20apps,=20are=20there=20any=20other=20ways=20that=
=20you=20have=20
foubnd=20of=20putting=20yourself=20out=20there?


=20Best,
=20Rahul

=20Sent=20from=20my=20iPhone
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Wed Aug 21 18:07:45 2019
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 11:07:45 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there
In-Reply-To: <AD5436E1-1937-4391-994E-6DBEDC4A98C2@gmail.com>
References: <AD5436E1-1937-4391-994E-6DBEDC4A98C2@gmail.com>
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Good mid-morning, Rahul,

         Personally, as a teenager I would sort 
of browse Telepersonals, a telephone dating 
outfit here in the Bay Area. It was ideal, all 
voice. I ended up meeting a couple guys in person even.
For this reason, you have to be upfront about your blindness. No games.
Car 12:25 AM 8/21/2019, Rahul Bajaj via NABS-L wrote:
>Hi All, Please do forgive me if this has been 
>discussed before. I was wondering if you have 
>any pointers about using online dating apps, 
>from a blind person’s standpoint. So far, I 
>have found Hinge to be most useful, as it is 
>largely based on personality traits rather than 
>looks, but have not received a single expression 
>of interest. Apart from dating apps, are there 
>any other ways that you have foubnd of putting 
>yourself out there? Best, Rahul Sent from my 
>iPhone 
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From mcap at fastmail.com  Wed Aug 21 18:14:56 2019
From: mcap at fastmail.com (Michael Capelle)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 13:14:56 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there
In-Reply-To: <cmu-lmtpd-2556150-1566410952-0@sloti7d1t15>
References: <AD5436E1-1937-4391-994E-6DBEDC4A98C2@gmail.com>
	<cmu-lmtpd-2556150-1566410952-0@sloti7d1t15>
Message-ID: <008101d5584c$578720d0$06956270$@fastmail.com>

I do agree, I tell them about the blindness right away.

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 1:08 PM
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Cc: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there

Good mid-morning, Rahul,

         Personally, as a teenager I would sort of browse Telepersonals, a telephone dating outfit here in the Bay Area. It was ideal, all voice. I ended up meeting a couple guys in person even.
For this reason, you have to be upfront about your blindness. No games.
Car 12:25 AM 8/21/2019, Rahul Bajaj via NABS-L wrote:
>Hi All, Please do forgive me if this has been discussed before. I was 
>wondering if you have any pointers about using online dating apps, from 
>a blind person’s standpoint. So far, I have found Hinge to be most 
>useful, as it is largely based on personality traits rather than looks, 
>but have not received a single expression of interest. Apart from 
>dating apps, are there any other ways that you have foubnd of putting 
>yourself out there? Best, Rahul Sent from my iPhone 
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From leadershipjba at gmail.com  Wed Aug 21 20:55:51 2019
From: leadershipjba at gmail.com (JASON ALAMILLO)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 13:55:51 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there
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Hello all, I have some commentary on this subject. I think that a lot of what was said about dating has been true and is true for a lot of us. First, I would like to talk about the topic of disclosure of our blindness. Sometimes I have disclosed the fact early in our conversations, and sometimes that has not worked out for me. One of the reasons I did that has been because they would send me pictures or say different things that are visual and if I know I cannot participate in the conversation any longer, then I would have to disclose it. As for other times, I have not disclosed that I am blind until they get to know me and my personality a little bit more, so that they fall for who I am and what they like about me, and so they know all of the things that I like to do, watch, talk about, and all of that. The reason for that is that once I do tell them I am blind, I don’t want them to be conflicted on whether they wanna stay with me or not, I want them to know that yes I am blind, and there is nothing wrong with that. I will say though that sometimes although I am trying to keep that person in my life, that doesn’t always work but it is worth a try.
Second, on the apps themselves, I have found it annoying that we have to pay that app or website in order to chat with people that may see our profile or send us messages, and to access other parts of their profiles or other parts of the website. I know that it is a business and they have to make money somehow, but it is annoying, but I can get over that. I do however not like that with some of these applications, they are not accessible in formats that we would need them to be, to upload photos of us, and to edit our profiles as well.
I do think that you just have to scroll through the apps and see if people live near you or somewhere near you, and that would depend on what your financial and transportation livelihoods allow you to do.
Third, about the in-person versus online dating scene, it is not easy for some people to just walk up to someone and just start talking, let alone ask them out or to hang out or for their information to contact them later. It is also difficult to find people in the community who you may be interested in, especially when they are not interested or not around. Also, not all of us have blind individuals around us if that is what we are searching for, and sometimes sighted individuals are not up to talking to us, let alone going out with us. It doesn’t mean that it couldn’t happen, but that is what I think in terms of this topic.

> On Aug 21, 2019, at 11:14 AM, Michael Capelle via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I do agree, I tell them about the blindness right away.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 1:08 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there
> 
> Good mid-morning, Rahul,
> 
>         Personally, as a teenager I would sort of browse Telepersonals, a telephone dating outfit here in the Bay Area. It was ideal, all voice. I ended up meeting a couple guys in person even.
> For this reason, you have to be upfront about your blindness. No games.
> Car 12:25 AM 8/21/2019, Rahul Bajaj via NABS-L wrote:
>> Hi All, Please do forgive me if this has been discussed before. I was 
>> wondering if you have any pointers about using online dating apps, from 
>> a blind person’s standpoint. So far, I have found Hinge to be most 
>> useful, as it is largely based on personality traits rather than looks, 
>> but have not received a single expression of interest. Apart from 
>> dating apps, are there any other ways that you have foubnd of putting 
>> yourself out there? Best, Rahul Sent from my iPhone 
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From leadershipjba at gmail.com  Wed Aug 21 20:57:57 2019
From: leadershipjba at gmail.com (JASON ALAMILLO)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 13:57:57 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there
In-Reply-To: <F49E8D07-E673-4440-B62A-590F5D7C784C@gmail.com>
References: <AD5436E1-1937-4391-994E-6DBEDC4A98C2@gmail.com>
	<F49E8D07-E673-4440-B62A-590F5D7C784C@gmail.com>
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Hi Amanda, yes, it is an interesting topic, I would not mind talking about it if you you would like. Jason, leadershipjba at gmail.com

> On Aug 21, 2019, at 12:41 AM, Amanda via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I am curious about this as well. Thanks for asking! :)
> 
> Amanda
> 
>> On Aug 21, 2019, at 3:25 AM, Rahul Bajaj via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> Please do forgive me if this has been discussed before. I was wondering if you have any pointers about using online dating apps, from a blind person’s standpoint. So far, I have found Hinge to be most useful, as it is largely based on personality traits rather than looks, but have not received a single expression of interest.
>> 
>> Apart from dating apps, are there any other ways that you have foubnd of putting yourself out there?
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>> Rahul
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From sflinder775 at access.alamancecc.edu  Wed Aug 21 21:51:46 2019
From: sflinder775 at access.alamancecc.edu (Selvin Linder)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 17:51:46 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there
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References: <AD5436E1-1937-4391-994E-6DBEDC4A98C2@gmail.com>
	<F49E8D07-E673-4440-B62A-590F5D7C784C@gmail.com>
	<F894D098-E0E8-4802-A373-7F162F0315A8@gmail.com>
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Online dating is very dangerous.  It's better to meet in person. Online
dating is Stupid and it is a shitty way to date someone.

On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 4:59 PM JASON ALAMILLO via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hi Amanda, yes, it is an interesting topic, I would not mind talking about
> it if you you would like. Jason, leadershipjba at gmail.com
>
> > On Aug 21, 2019, at 12:41 AM, Amanda via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > I am curious about this as well. Thanks for asking! :)
> >
> > Amanda
> >
> >> On Aug 21, 2019, at 3:25 AM, Rahul Bajaj via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> Please do forgive me if this has been discussed before. I was wondering
> if you have any pointers about using online dating apps, from a blind
> person’s standpoint. So far, I have found Hinge to be most useful, as it is
> largely based on personality traits rather than looks, but have not
> received a single expression of interest.
> >>
> >> Apart from dating apps, are there any other ways that you have foubnd
> of putting yourself out there?
> >>
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Rahul
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> _______________________________________________
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From ninam0814 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 21 22:01:31 2019
From: ninam0814 at gmail.com (Nina Marranca)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 22:01:31 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there
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	<F49E8D07-E673-4440-B62A-590F5D7C784C@gmail.com>
	<F894D098-E0E8-4802-A373-7F162F0315A8@gmail.com>,
	<CACud-vE7kSVTLkQVgN7f84tYdQvVytZHZA8V3zcoX1bETTe8HQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hey, everyone!
This is definitely an interesting topic. Everyone has different perspectives, and it's great to examine them all. I love the constructive conversations taking place.  Please respect the concerns and opinions brought up on here. :)
Best,
Nina
Nina Marranca
Moderator | National Association of Blind Students Mailing List
Co-Chair | Communications Committee
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(716) 479-6487

Nina Marranca
Moderator | National Association of Blind Students Mailing List
Co-Chair | Communications Committee
ninam0814 at gmail.com
(716) 479-6487

________________________________
From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> on behalf of Selvin Linder via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 17:53
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Cc: Selvin Linder
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there

Online dating is very dangerous. It's better to meet in person. Online
dating is Stupid and it is a shitty way to date someone.

On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 4:59 PM JASON ALAMILLO via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hi Amanda, yes, it is an interesting topic, I would not mind talking about
> it if you you would like. Jason, leadershipjba at gmail.com
>
> > On Aug 21, 2019, at 12:41 AM, Amanda via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > I am curious about this as well. Thanks for asking! :)
> >
> > Amanda
> >
> >> On Aug 21, 2019, at 3:25 AM, Rahul Bajaj via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> Please do forgive me if this has been discussed before. I was wondering
> if you have any pointers about using online dating apps, from a blind
> person’s standpoint. So far, I have found Hinge to be most useful, as it is
> largely based on personality traits rather than looks, but have not
> received a single expression of interest.
> >>
> >> Apart from dating apps, are there any other ways that you have foubnd
> of putting yourself out there?
> >>
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Rahul
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> _______________________________________________
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From armando.l.vias at gmail.com  Wed Aug 21 23:24:32 2019
From: armando.l.vias at gmail.com (Armando Vias)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 19:24:32 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there
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	<F49E8D07-E673-4440-B62A-590F5D7C784C@gmail.com>
	<F894D098-E0E8-4802-A373-7F162F0315A8@gmail.com>
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I never used a dating app. I met people through blind singles group on Facebook though. And, I already found someone.

Armando
The Blind Advocate Blog
https://theblindadvocate.com

> On Aug 21, 2019, at 6:01 PM, Nina Marranca via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey, everyone!
> This is definitely an interesting topic. Everyone has different perspectives, and it's great to examine them all. I love the constructive conversations taking place.  Please respect the concerns and opinions brought up on here. :)
> Best,
> Nina
> Nina Marranca
> Moderator | National Association of Blind Students Mailing List
> Co-Chair | Communications Committee
> ninam0814 at gmail.com
> (716) 479-6487
> 
> Nina Marranca
> Moderator | National Association of Blind Students Mailing List
> Co-Chair | Communications Committee
> ninam0814 at gmail.com
> (716) 479-6487
> 
> ________________________________
> From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> on behalf of Selvin Linder via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 17:53
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Selvin Linder
> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there
> 
> Online dating is very dangerous. It's better to meet in person. Online
> dating is Stupid and it is a shitty way to date someone.
> 
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 4:59 PM JASON ALAMILLO via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Amanda, yes, it is an interesting topic, I would not mind talking about
>> it if you you would like. Jason, leadershipjba at gmail.com
>> 
>>> On Aug 21, 2019, at 12:41 AM, Amanda via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am curious about this as well. Thanks for asking! :)
>>> 
>>> Amanda
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 21, 2019, at 3:25 AM, Rahul Bajaj via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> 
>>>> Please do forgive me if this has been discussed before. I was wondering
>> if you have any pointers about using online dating apps, from a blind
>> person’s standpoint. So far, I have found Hinge to be most useful, as it is
>> largely based on personality traits rather than looks, but have not
>> received a single expression of interest.
>>>> 
>>>> Apart from dating apps, are there any other ways that you have foubnd
>> of putting yourself out there?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Rahul
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NABS-L mailing list
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From bestca21 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 21 23:33:17 2019
From: bestca21 at gmail.com (Caitlin A Best)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 19:33:17 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there
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I actually met my partner on a dating app. After we got to know one another I mentioned my blindness. It depends on the situation. Practice safety if you decide to meet in person. I’d meet them in a popular area during the day like a coffee shop. I’d make sure I had transportation and would let friends/family know where I was going, who I’d be meeting and post a selfie of my outfit. Maybe it was a bit overboard, but it’s better to air on the side of caution. 

Cheers,
Caitlin

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 21, 2019, at 18:01, Nina Marranca via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey, everyone!
> This is definitely an interesting topic. Everyone has different perspectives, and it's great to examine them all. I love the constructive conversations taking place.  Please respect the concerns and opinions brought up on here. :)
> Best,
> Nina
> Nina Marranca
> Moderator | National Association of Blind Students Mailing List
> Co-Chair | Communications Committee
> ninam0814 at gmail.com
> (716) 479-6487
> 
> Nina Marranca
> Moderator | National Association of Blind Students Mailing List
> Co-Chair | Communications Committee
> ninam0814 at gmail.com
> (716) 479-6487
> 
> ________________________________
> From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> on behalf of Selvin Linder via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 17:53
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Selvin Linder
> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there
> 
> Online dating is very dangerous. It's better to meet in person. Online
> dating is Stupid and it is a shitty way to date someone.
> 
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 4:59 PM JASON ALAMILLO via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Amanda, yes, it is an interesting topic, I would not mind talking about
>> it if you you would like. Jason, leadershipjba at gmail.com
>> 
>>> On Aug 21, 2019, at 12:41 AM, Amanda via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am curious about this as well. Thanks for asking! :)
>>> 
>>> Amanda
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 21, 2019, at 3:25 AM, Rahul Bajaj via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> 
>>>> Please do forgive me if this has been discussed before. I was wondering
>> if you have any pointers about using online dating apps, from a blind
>> person’s standpoint. So far, I have found Hinge to be most useful, as it is
>> largely based on personality traits rather than looks, but have not
>> received a single expression of interest.
>>>> 
>>>> Apart from dating apps, are there any other ways that you have foubnd
>> of putting yourself out there?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Rahul
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NABS-L mailing list
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From agrima at nbp.org  Thu Aug 22 11:47:44 2019
From: agrima at nbp.org (Tony Grima)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 11:47:44 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there
In-Reply-To: <2D422498-C8C3-4F2B-B953-29DC3E94F125@gmail.com>
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Hello! I just wanted to mention that Kim Loftis just published a book all about this topic: Dating in the Digital Age: An Accessible Journey for Finding Love Online. National Braille Press published it this summer: http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/DATING.html
Best,
Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of JASON ALAMILLO via NABS-L
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Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out there

Hello all, I have some commentary on this subject. I think that a lot of what was said about dating has been true and is true for a lot of us. First, I would like to talk about the topic of disclosure of our blindness. Sometimes I have disclosed the fact early in our conversations, and sometimes that has not worked out for me. One of the reasons I did that has been because they would send me pictures or say different things that are visual and if I know I cannot participate in the conversation any longer, then I would have to disclose it. As for other times, I have not disclosed that I am blind until they get to know me and my personality a little bit more, so that they fall for who I am and what they like about me, and so they know all of the things that I like to do, watch, talk about, and all of that. The reason for that is that once I do tell them I am blind, I don’t want them to be conflicted on whether they wanna stay with me or not, I want them to know that yes I am blind, and there is nothing wrong with that. I will say though that sometimes although I am trying to keep that person in my life, that doesn’t always work but it is worth a try.
Second, on the apps themselves, I have found it annoying that we have to pay that app or website in order to chat with people that may see our profile or send us messages, and to access other parts of their profiles or other parts of the website. I know that it is a business and they have to make money somehow, but it is annoying, but I can get over that. I do however not like that with some of these applications, they are not accessible in formats that we would need them to be, to upload photos of us, and to edit our profiles as well.
I do think that you just have to scroll through the apps and see if people live near you or somewhere near you, and that would depend on what your financial and transportation livelihoods allow you to do.
Third, about the in-person versus online dating scene, it is not easy for some people to just walk up to someone and just start talking, let alone ask them out or to hang out or for their information to contact them later. It is also difficult to find people in the community who you may be interested in, especially when they are not interested or not around. Also, not all of us have blind individuals around us if that is what we are searching for, and sometimes sighted individuals are not up to talking to us, let alone going out with us. It doesn’t mean that it couldn’t happen, but that is what I think in terms of this topic.

> On Aug 21, 2019, at 11:14 AM, Michael Capelle via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I do agree, I tell them about the blindness right away.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis 
> via NABS-L
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 1:08 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Using online dating apps and putting oneself out 
> there
> 
> Good mid-morning, Rahul,
> 
>         Personally, as a teenager I would sort of browse Telepersonals, a telephone dating outfit here in the Bay Area. It was ideal, all voice. I ended up meeting a couple guys in person even.
> For this reason, you have to be upfront about your blindness. No games.
> Car 12:25 AM 8/21/2019, Rahul Bajaj via NABS-L wrote:
>> Hi All, Please do forgive me if this has been discussed before. I was 
>> wondering if you have any pointers about using online dating apps, 
>> from a blind person’s standpoint. So far, I have found Hinge to be 
>> most useful, as it is largely based on personality traits rather than 
>> looks, but have not received a single expression of interest. Apart 
>> from dating apps, are there any other ways that you have foubnd of 
>> putting yourself out there? Best, Rahul Sent from my iPhone 
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From iperrault at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 25 23:14:15 2019
From: iperrault at hotmail.com (Ian Perrault)
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2019 23:14:15 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] Reading People
Message-ID: <DM5PR1301MB220409CCAD0A38A65D03C31BBFA60@DM5PR1301MB2204.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>

Hi All,
How do you guys read people, to see if they're actually having a good time, or if they feel uncomfortable? Unfortunately, voices often show that they're having fun, but sometimes I get into situations where, in reality, they actually weren't having fun.
Ian

From aliherky at gmail.com  Mon Aug 26 01:32:15 2019
From: aliherky at gmail.com (Ali)
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2019 18:32:15 -0700
Subject: [NABS-L] Reading People
Message-ID: <5d631a85.1c69fb81.78690.8cb6@mx.google.com>

That can be difficult. If I am with a sighted person, or knew one 
that was there, I would ask them after the fact. If not, I 
sometimes just ask the person outright.

Ali

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Ian Perrault via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 25 Aug 2019 23:14:15 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] Reading People

Hi All,
How do you guys read people, to see if they're actually having a 
good time, or if they feel uncomfortable? Unfortunately, voices 
often show that they're having fun, but sometimes I get into 
situations where, in reality, they actually weren't having fun.
Ian
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From ctate2076 at att.net  Mon Aug 26 00:14:06 2019
From: ctate2076 at att.net (ctate2076 at att.net)
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2019 20:14:06 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Reading People
In-Reply-To: <5d631a85.1c69fb81.78690.8cb6@mx.google.com>
References: <5d631a85.1c69fb81.78690.8cb6@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <015601d55ba3$2d55c410$88014c30$@att.net>

Sometimes I can get a sense of how they feel by how often they talk, laugh
or some other indicator other than tone of voice. Long silences usually mean
they are not enjoying themselves. If I am unsure, I just come out and ask or
make a small joke to gauge their reaction. 

Camille 

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Ali via NABS-L
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 9:32 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Ali <aliherky at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Reading People

That can be difficult. If I am with a sighted person, or knew one that was
there, I would ask them after the fact. If not, I sometimes just ask the
person outright.

Ali

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Ian Perrault via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Sun, 25 Aug 2019
23:14:15 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] Reading People

Hi All,
How do you guys read people, to see if they're actually having a good time,
or if they feel uncomfortable? Unfortunately, voices often show that they're
having fun, but sometimes I get into situations where, in reality, they
actually weren't having fun.
Ian
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 26 01:06:29 2019
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams)
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2019 21:06:29 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Reading People
In-Reply-To: <015601d55ba3$2d55c410$88014c30$@att.net>
References: <5d631a85.1c69fb81.78690.8cb6@mx.google.com>
	<015601d55ba3$2d55c410$88014c30$@att.net>
Message-ID: <006101d55baa$7f737a60$7e5a6f20$@gmail.com>

Learn to feel their energy.  Even in cheery tones of voices, the deep verbal
cues, and the energetic feel does not lie.  

They might disguise it on the surface, but if you learn to drill down, you
can pick it up usually.

However you should really just get them to tell you.  

You can use a counseling trick that counselors who are blind use.

That is just asking the person, and explaining to them that you can't see
and need them to tell you.

Also, just asking as a friend is another good idea.

People have to learn to speak up, anyway, so outside of just doing things or
putting people in situations that I know are awkward, I don't worry about it
over much because it really takes too much energy.  
I've learned how to discern who I should hang out with, wen, and where.

Thanks,

Justin


-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Camille Tate
via NABS-L
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 8:14 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: ctate2076 at att.net
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Reading People

Sometimes I can get a sense of how they feel by how often they talk, laugh
or some other indicator other than tone of voice. Long silences usually mean
they are not enjoying themselves. If I am unsure, I just come out and ask or
make a small joke to gauge their reaction. 

Camille 

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Ali via NABS-L
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 9:32 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Ali <aliherky at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Reading People

That can be difficult. If I am with a sighted person, or knew one that was
there, I would ask them after the fact. If not, I sometimes just ask the
person outright.

Ali

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Ian Perrault via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Sun, 25 Aug 2019
23:14:15 +0000
Subject: [NABS-L] Reading People

Hi All,
How do you guys read people, to see if they're actually having a good time,
or if they feel uncomfortable? Unfortunately, voices often show that they're
having fun, but sometimes I get into situations where, in reality, they
actually weren't having fun.
Ian
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From johnawright98 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 26 13:33:44 2019
From: johnawright98 at gmail.com (Johna Wright)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 09:33:44 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Check out our August BLOG POST!
Message-ID: <638D1B06-9296-4ADA-B97E-DF3817CF7B58@gmail.com>

Hi, friends! 

The fall semester is upon us. As you move back into your dorms, get your syllabi, and wait for fall break, be sure to check out our August blog post written by none other than our lovely national student division President, Kathryn Webster. You won’t want to miss this interesting read. Link: http://nabslink.org/content/blog-post-august-2019-murano-glass-candle-holder-kathryn-webster

Cheers, 

Johna Wright
Board Member | National Association of Blind Students
A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind 
johnawright98 at gmail.com
(706) 962-2613
www.nabslink.org

From steve14lin at gmail.com  Mon Aug 26 19:29:16 2019
From: steve14lin at gmail.com (Steve Lin)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 15:29:16 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] informational interviews
Message-ID: <5d64330c.1c69fb81.54655.b41f@mx.google.com>

Dear, 
National Association of Blind students and Maryland Association of Blind Students 
My name is Steve, and I’m currently a new subscriber of both the National association of Blind Students, and Maryland Association of Blind Students. I’m currently enrolled in the Comprehensive Orientation Rehabilitation Empowerment program at Blind Industries and Services of Maryland. 
  After the program, I’m planning on attending college and possibly study to become a businessman, stockbroker, or journalist. I’m writing this email because I would like to conduct informational interviews for people who are studying these 3 careers, or are actively involved in journalism, business, or is a blind stockbroker. 
My email is steve14lin at gmail.com, if anyone wants to get in touch. Thanks for taking the time to read my letter. 
Sincerely, 
Steve 





From podcast.nabs at gmail.com  Wed Aug 28 05:11:50 2019
From: podcast.nabs at gmail.com (Blind Students)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 01:11:50 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Let your voice be heard on the NABS Now Podcast
Message-ID: <CAExbYwsR5YkpMfnZ9F9KWF15C3AvqDL_sNRYRauK5zGcvd5-rg@mail.gmail.com>

 Hey everyone, we are excited to invite you to speak on the Nabs  Now
Podcast!   If you are interested please fill out the form  linked below,
and we will get back with you as soon as possible. We look forward to
hearing from you!

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1mNuIH7DfzpwnMSrOoejaZ9KE8h7HyZEhWG5L-7Hl_dg/viewform?edit_requested=true

NABS  Now  Team

Podcast.nabs at gmail.com

From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Wed Aug 28 06:09:43 2019
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 02:09:43 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Let your voice be heard on the NABS Now Podcast
In-Reply-To: <CAExbYwsR5YkpMfnZ9F9KWF15C3AvqDL_sNRYRauK5zGcvd5-rg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAExbYwsR5YkpMfnZ9F9KWF15C3AvqDL_sNRYRauK5zGcvd5-rg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1BD1188D-26F8-4637-82A7-8D328DEFD820@gmail.com>

I cannot seem to find this podcast on overcast. Has it already started?
Thanks,

Amanda

> On Aug 28, 2019, at 1:11 AM, Blind Students via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone, we are excited to invite you to speak on the Nabs  Now
> Podcast!   If you are interested please fill out the form  linked below,
> and we will get back with you as soon as possible. We look forward to
> hearing from you!
> 
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1mNuIH7DfzpwnMSrOoejaZ9KE8h7HyZEhWG5L-7Hl_dg/viewform?edit_requested=true
> 
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> 
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From sami.j.osborne97 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 28 11:08:15 2019
From: sami.j.osborne97 at gmail.com (Sami Osborne)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 07:08:15 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Let your voice be heard on the NABS Now Podcast
Message-ID: <5d6660a2.1c69fb81.95b3a.9076@mx.google.com>

What exactly are you planning to accomplish with this podcast? When do you plan on  getting it released? What exactly do you want us to share? Also, who is this "team" that's working on it? I think much more information would be greatly appreciated by all of us here. I'm not trying to sound rude or pushy here, so hopefully I won't be disciplined for this message, but if you guys are promoting something like this, it's best to publish as much information like this out there so that people will find it credible. With the very little information we have right now, outsiders might think this could be a spam email... especially since the email address is only listed as "Blind Students." Maybe you should change this email address to read "NABS Podcast" so that it sounds more believable.

Again, I'm not trying to be pushy, just giving you some friendly advice. Hopefully more information will be publicized soon.

Thanks,

Sami

On Aug 28, 2019 1:11 AM, Blind Students via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hey everyone, we are excited to invite you to speak on the Nabs  Now 
> Podcast!   If you are interested please fill out the form  linked below, 
> and we will get back with you as soon as possible. We look forward to 
> hearing from you! 
>
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1mNuIH7DfzpwnMSrOoejaZ9KE8h7HyZEhWG5L-7Hl_dg/viewform?edit_requested=true 
>
> NABS  Now  Team 
>
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From sami.j.osborne97 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 28 11:08:15 2019
From: sami.j.osborne97 at gmail.com (Sami Osborne)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 07:08:15 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Let your voice be heard on the NABS Now Podcast
Message-ID: <5d6660a2.1c69fb81.95b3a.9076@mx.google.com>

What exactly are you planning to accomplish with this podcast? When do you plan on  getting it released? What exactly do you want us to share? Also, who is this "team" that's working on it? I think much more information would be greatly appreciated by all of us here. I'm not trying to sound rude or pushy here, so hopefully I won't be disciplined for this message, but if you guys are promoting something like this, it's best to publish as much information like this out there so that people will find it credible. With the very little information we have right now, outsiders might think this could be a spam email... especially since the email address is only listed as "Blind Students." Maybe you should change this email address to read "NABS Podcast" so that it sounds more believable.

Again, I'm not trying to be pushy, just giving you some friendly advice. Hopefully more information will be publicized soon.

Thanks,

Sami

On Aug 28, 2019 1:11 AM, Blind Students via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hey everyone, we are excited to invite you to speak on the Nabs  Now 
> Podcast!   If you are interested please fill out the form  linked below, 
> and we will get back with you as soon as possible. We look forward to 
> hearing from you! 
>
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1mNuIH7DfzpwnMSrOoejaZ9KE8h7HyZEhWG5L-7Hl_dg/viewform?edit_requested=true 
>
> NABS  Now  Team 
>
> Podcast.nabs at gmail.com 
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From podcast.nabs at gmail.com  Wed Aug 28 13:43:49 2019
From: podcast.nabs at gmail.com (Blind Students)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 09:43:49 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Let your voice be heard on the NABS Now Podcast
In-Reply-To: <5d6660a2.1c69fb81.95b3a.9076@mx.google.com>
References: <5d6660a2.1c69fb81.95b3a.9076@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAExbYwvw8N1V40GxCi=ZfjOYfF3C5hHGF0LT1HxLNXUFytzAkw@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you for all of your excellent questions, and suggestions. Below we
have answered some of the frequently asked ones.

1. Q. What is the goal of the podcast?
    A.  We hope to provide an infotainment podcast about experiences , and
issues as they relate to blind students.

2. Q. Have we released an episode of the podcast yet?
     A.  No, as of now our release date for the first episode is set in
September.
3. Q. What do we wan’t you to share?
     A.  Aside for a few topic, and content guidelines that is entirely up
to you?
4. Q.  Who is on the Nabs Now Team?
      A. Nina  Marranca, Nick Petrillo, Santiago Hernandez, Robert Parsons,
Teriq  Williams, Maura Loberg, Mausam Mehta, and Aaron Espinoza. as well as
a few others.


If you have any further questions please don’t hesitate to ask. us either
here  or at podcast.nabs at gmail.com

Nabs Now Team

Podcast.nabs at gmail.com

On Wednesday, August 28, 2019, Sami Osborne <sami.j.osborne97 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> What exactly are you planning to accomplish with this podcast? When do you
> plan on  getting it released? What exactly do you want us to share? Also,
> who is this "team" that's working on it? I think much more information
> would be greatly appreciated by all of us here. I'm not trying to sound
> rude or pushy here, so hopefully I won't be disciplined for this message,
> but if you guys are promoting something like this, it's best to publish as
> much information like this out there so that people will find it credible.
> With the very little information we have right now, outsiders might think
> this could be a spam email... especially since the email address is only
> listed as "Blind Students." Maybe you should change this email address to
> read "NABS Podcast" so that it sounds more believable.
>
> Again, I'm not trying to be pushy, just giving you some friendly advice.
> Hopefully more information will be publicized soon.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sami
>
> On Aug 28, 2019 1:11 AM, Blind Students via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hey everyone, we are excited to invite you to speak on the Nabs  Now
> > Podcast!   If you are interested please fill out the form  linked below,
> > and we will get back with you as soon as possible. We look forward to
> > hearing from you!
> >
> > https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1mNuIH7DfzpwnMSrOoejaZ9KE8h7Hy
> ZEhWG5L-7Hl_dg/viewform?edit_requested=true
> >
> > NABS  Now  Team
> >
> > Podcast.nabs at gmail.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > NABS-L mailing list
> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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> NABS-L:
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>

From sflinder775 at access.alamancecc.edu  Wed Aug 28 13:56:51 2019
From: sflinder775 at access.alamancecc.edu (Selvin Linder)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 09:56:51 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Let your voice be heard on the NABS Now Podcast
In-Reply-To: <CAExbYwvw8N1V40GxCi=ZfjOYfF3C5hHGF0LT1HxLNXUFytzAkw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5d6660a2.1c69fb81.95b3a.9076@mx.google.com>
	<CAExbYwvw8N1V40GxCi=ZfjOYfF3C5hHGF0LT1HxLNXUFytzAkw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACud-vGGv7_egQmxzDLfaWObeRAtceatvDMHveD13=EKuP9VGA@mail.gmail.com>

Not interested.

On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 9:45 AM Blind Students via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Thank you for all of your excellent questions, and suggestions. Below we
> have answered some of the frequently asked ones.
>
> 1. Q. What is the goal of the podcast?
>     A.  We hope to provide an infotainment podcast about experiences , and
> issues as they relate to blind students.
>
> 2. Q. Have we released an episode of the podcast yet?
>      A.  No, as of now our release date for the first episode is set in
> September.
> 3. Q. What do we wan’t you to share?
>      A.  Aside for a few topic, and content guidelines that is entirely up
> to you?
> 4. Q.  Who is on the Nabs Now Team?
>       A. Nina  Marranca, Nick Petrillo, Santiago Hernandez, Robert Parsons,
> Teriq  Williams, Maura Loberg, Mausam Mehta, and Aaron Espinoza. as well as
> a few others.
>
>
> If you have any further questions please don’t hesitate to ask. us either
> here  or at podcast.nabs at gmail.com
>
> Nabs Now Team
>
> Podcast.nabs at gmail.com
>
> On Wednesday, August 28, 2019, Sami Osborne <sami.j.osborne97 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > What exactly are you planning to accomplish with this podcast? When do
> you
> > plan on  getting it released? What exactly do you want us to share? Also,
> > who is this "team" that's working on it? I think much more information
> > would be greatly appreciated by all of us here. I'm not trying to sound
> > rude or pushy here, so hopefully I won't be disciplined for this message,
> > but if you guys are promoting something like this, it's best to publish
> as
> > much information like this out there so that people will find it
> credible.
> > With the very little information we have right now, outsiders might think
> > this could be a spam email... especially since the email address is only
> > listed as "Blind Students." Maybe you should change this email address to
> > read "NABS Podcast" so that it sounds more believable.
> >
> > Again, I'm not trying to be pushy, just giving you some friendly advice.
> > Hopefully more information will be publicized soon.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Sami
> >
> > On Aug 28, 2019 1:11 AM, Blind Students via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey everyone, we are excited to invite you to speak on the Nabs  Now
> > > Podcast!   If you are interested please fill out the form  linked
> below,
> > > and we will get back with you as soon as possible. We look forward to
> > > hearing from you!
> > >
> > > https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1mNuIH7DfzpwnMSrOoejaZ9KE8h7Hy
> > ZEhWG5L-7Hl_dg/viewform?edit_requested=true
> > >
> > > NABS  Now  Team
> > >
> > > Podcast.nabs at gmail.com
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > NABS-L mailing list
> > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > NABS-L:
> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/
> > sami.j.osborne97%40gmail.com
> >
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NABS-L:
>
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sflinder775%40access.alamancecc.edu
>
-- 
*Selvin Linder *
336-645-0252

From elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com  Wed Aug 28 14:09:05 2019
From: elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com (Elizabeth Rouse)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 09:09:05 -0500
Subject: [NABS-L] Let your voice be heard on the NABS Now Podcast
In-Reply-To: <CACud-vGGv7_egQmxzDLfaWObeRAtceatvDMHveD13=EKuP9VGA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5d6660a2.1c69fb81.95b3a.9076@mx.google.com>
	<CAExbYwvw8N1V40GxCi=ZfjOYfF3C5hHGF0LT1HxLNXUFytzAkw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACud-vGGv7_egQmxzDLfaWObeRAtceatvDMHveD13=EKuP9VGA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANGwUJPo8_Xz1nHqHA0g-mKCa2a_fGW2fTyjWaeyy38NFDkrfA@mail.gmail.com>

 So excited to be involved and become an active listener! Thank you for the
opportunity you are giving us all.
Keep up the awesome work ☺️

On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 8:58 AM Selvin Linder via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Not interested.
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 9:45 AM Blind Students via NABS-L <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Thank you for all of your excellent questions, and suggestions. Below we
> > have answered some of the frequently asked ones.
> >
> > 1. Q. What is the goal of the podcast?
> >     A.  We hope to provide an infotainment podcast about experiences ,
> and
> > issues as they relate to blind students.
> >
> > 2. Q. Have we released an episode of the podcast yet?
> >      A.  No, as of now our release date for the first episode is set in
> > September.
> > 3. Q. What do we wan’t you to share?
> >      A.  Aside for a few topic, and content guidelines that is entirely
> up
> > to you?
> > 4. Q.  Who is on the Nabs Now Team?
> >       A. Nina  Marranca, Nick Petrillo, Santiago Hernandez, Robert
> Parsons,
> > Teriq  Williams, Maura Loberg, Mausam Mehta, and Aaron Espinoza. as well
> as
> > a few others.
> >
> >
> > If you have any further questions please don’t hesitate to ask. us either
> > here  or at podcast.nabs at gmail.com
> >
> > Nabs Now Team
> >
> > Podcast.nabs at gmail.com
> >
> > On Wednesday, August 28, 2019, Sami Osborne <sami.j.osborne97 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > What exactly are you planning to accomplish with this podcast? When do
> > you
> > > plan on  getting it released? What exactly do you want us to share?
> Also,
> > > who is this "team" that's working on it? I think much more information
> > > would be greatly appreciated by all of us here. I'm not trying to sound
> > > rude or pushy here, so hopefully I won't be disciplined for this
> message,
> > > but if you guys are promoting something like this, it's best to publish
> > as
> > > much information like this out there so that people will find it
> > credible.
> > > With the very little information we have right now, outsiders might
> think
> > > this could be a spam email... especially since the email address is
> only
> > > listed as "Blind Students." Maybe you should change this email address
> to
> > > read "NABS Podcast" so that it sounds more believable.
> > >
> > > Again, I'm not trying to be pushy, just giving you some friendly
> advice.
> > > Hopefully more information will be publicized soon.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Sami
> > >
> > > On Aug 28, 2019 1:11 AM, Blind Students via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey everyone, we are excited to invite you to speak on the Nabs  Now
> > > > Podcast!   If you are interested please fill out the form  linked
> > below,
> > > > and we will get back with you as soon as possible. We look forward to
> > > > hearing from you!
> > > >
> > > > https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1mNuIH7DfzpwnMSrOoejaZ9KE8h7Hy
> > > ZEhWG5L-7Hl_dg/viewform?edit_requested=true
> > > >
> > > > NABS  Now  Team
> > > >
> > > > Podcast.nabs at gmail.com
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > NABS-L mailing list
> > > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > > NABS-L:
> > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/
> > > sami.j.osborne97%40gmail.com
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NABS-L mailing list
> > NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > NABS-L:
> >
> >
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sflinder775%40access.alamancecc.edu
> >
> --
> *Selvin Linder *
> 336-645-0252
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NABS-L:
>
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/elizabethrouse.nfb%40gmail.com
>
-- 
Elizabeth Rouse
Chair | Fundraising Committee
Board Member | National Association of Blind Students
A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind
www.nabslink.org
elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com
563-210-1854

From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Wed Aug 28 14:13:32 2019
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 10:13:32 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Let your voice be heard on the NABS Now Podcast
In-Reply-To: <CANGwUJPo8_Xz1nHqHA0g-mKCa2a_fGW2fTyjWaeyy38NFDkrfA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5d6660a2.1c69fb81.95b3a.9076@mx.google.com>
	<CAExbYwvw8N1V40GxCi=ZfjOYfF3C5hHGF0LT1HxLNXUFytzAkw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACud-vGGv7_egQmxzDLfaWObeRAtceatvDMHveD13=EKuP9VGA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANGwUJPo8_Xz1nHqHA0g-mKCa2a_fGW2fTyjWaeyy38NFDkrfA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E6E9B5FF-6513-40F4-89CE-986C6768533F@gmail.com>

This is exciting! Can Canadians contribute to the podcast?
Thanks,

Amanda

> On Aug 28, 2019, at 10:09 AM, Elizabeth Rouse via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> So excited to be involved and become an active listener! Thank you for the
> opportunity you are giving us all.
> Keep up the awesome work ☺️
> 
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 8:58 AM Selvin Linder via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> Not interested.
>> 
>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 9:45 AM Blind Students via NABS-L <
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Thank you for all of your excellent questions, and suggestions. Below we
>>> have answered some of the frequently asked ones.
>>> 
>>> 1. Q. What is the goal of the podcast?
>>>    A.  We hope to provide an infotainment podcast about experiences ,
>> and
>>> issues as they relate to blind students.
>>> 
>>> 2. Q. Have we released an episode of the podcast yet?
>>>     A.  No, as of now our release date for the first episode is set in
>>> September.
>>> 3. Q. What do we wan’t you to share?
>>>     A.  Aside for a few topic, and content guidelines that is entirely
>> up
>>> to you?
>>> 4. Q.  Who is on the Nabs Now Team?
>>>      A. Nina  Marranca, Nick Petrillo, Santiago Hernandez, Robert
>> Parsons,
>>> Teriq  Williams, Maura Loberg, Mausam Mehta, and Aaron Espinoza. as well
>> as
>>> a few others.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If you have any further questions please don’t hesitate to ask. us either
>>> here  or at podcast.nabs at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> Nabs Now Team
>>> 
>>> Podcast.nabs at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> On Wednesday, August 28, 2019, Sami Osborne <sami.j.osborne97 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> What exactly are you planning to accomplish with this podcast? When do
>>> you
>>>> plan on  getting it released? What exactly do you want us to share?
>> Also,
>>>> who is this "team" that's working on it? I think much more information
>>>> would be greatly appreciated by all of us here. I'm not trying to sound
>>>> rude or pushy here, so hopefully I won't be disciplined for this
>> message,
>>>> but if you guys are promoting something like this, it's best to publish
>>> as
>>>> much information like this out there so that people will find it
>>> credible.
>>>> With the very little information we have right now, outsiders might
>> think
>>>> this could be a spam email... especially since the email address is
>> only
>>>> listed as "Blind Students." Maybe you should change this email address
>> to
>>>> read "NABS Podcast" so that it sounds more believable.
>>>> 
>>>> Again, I'm not trying to be pushy, just giving you some friendly
>> advice.
>>>> Hopefully more information will be publicized soon.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Sami
>>>> 
>>>> On Aug 28, 2019 1:11 AM, Blind Students via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hey everyone, we are excited to invite you to speak on the Nabs  Now
>>>>> Podcast!   If you are interested please fill out the form  linked
>>> below,
>>>>> and we will get back with you as soon as possible. We look forward to
>>>>> hearing from you!
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1mNuIH7DfzpwnMSrOoejaZ9KE8h7Hy
>>>> ZEhWG5L-7Hl_dg/viewform?edit_requested=true
>>>>> 
>>>>> NABS  Now  Team
>>>>> 
>>>>> Podcast.nabs at gmail.com
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> NABS-L:
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/
>>>> sami.j.osborne97%40gmail.com
>>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> NABS-L:
>>> 
>>> 
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sflinder775%40access.alamancecc.edu
>>> 
>> --
>> *Selvin Linder *
>> 336-645-0252
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> NABS-L:
>> 
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/elizabethrouse.nfb%40gmail.com
>> 
> -- 
> Elizabeth Rouse
> Chair | Fundraising Committee
> Board Member | National Association of Blind Students
> A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind
> www.nabslink.org
> elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com
> 563-210-1854
> _______________________________________________
> NABS-L mailing list
> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L:
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From dwiniecki at handid.org  Wed Aug 28 14:27:46 2019
From: dwiniecki at handid.org (Donald Winiecki)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 08:27:46 -0600
Subject: [NABS-L] Earsketch accessibility
Message-ID: <CAD5OMmFg79Q0DRmZRVThqLgjpWHrero4fkQKLRDhFz2P03u4eA@mail.gmail.com>

I would like to ask if anyone on this list has experience with the
earsketch programming system. In particular, I would like to know how
accessible it is for a competent JAWS user.

The system is based at the following website:
https://earsketch.gatech.edu/landing/#/

Best,

_don

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Don Winiecki, Ed.D., Ph.D.
Professor of Ethics & Morality in Professional Practice
Boise State University, College of Engineering
1910 University Drive, Mail Stop 2070
Boise, Idaho 83725-2070 USA
Office: RUCH 328, CCP 256
E-mail: dwiniecki at boisestate.edu
Telephone: (+01) 208 426 1899
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~d

From nabs.president at gmail.com  Wed Aug 28 14:35:58 2019
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster, National Student President)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 10:35:58 -0400
Subject: [NABS-L] Let your voice be heard on the NABS Now Podcast
In-Reply-To: <E6E9B5FF-6513-40F4-89CE-986C6768533F@gmail.com>
References: <5d6660a2.1c69fb81.95b3a.9076@mx.google.com>	<CAExbYwvw8N1V40GxCi=ZfjOYfF3C5hHGF0LT1HxLNXUFytzAkw@mail.gmail.com>	<CACud-vGGv7_egQmxzDLfaWObeRAtceatvDMHveD13=EKuP9VGA@mail.gmail.com>	<CANGwUJPo8_Xz1nHqHA0g-mKCa2a_fGW2fTyjWaeyy38NFDkrfA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E6E9B5FF-6513-40F4-89CE-986C6768533F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00c901d55dad$ea6ec130$bf4c4390$@gmail.com>

Of course! The more the merrier!

Love,
Kathryn

Kathryn C. Webster
President | National Association of Blind Students
A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind
Nabs.president at gmail.com
www.nabslink.org

-----Original Message-----
From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Amanda via NABS-L
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 10:14 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: cape.amanda at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Let your voice be heard on the NABS Now Podcast

This is exciting! Can Canadians contribute to the podcast?
Thanks,

Amanda

> On Aug 28, 2019, at 10:09 AM, Elizabeth Rouse via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> So excited to be involved and become an active listener! Thank you for 
> the opportunity you are giving us all.
> Keep up the awesome work ☺️
> 
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 8:58 AM Selvin Linder via NABS-L 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> Not interested.
>> 
>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 9:45 AM Blind Students via NABS-L < 
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Thank you for all of your excellent questions, and suggestions. 
>>> Below we have answered some of the frequently asked ones.
>>> 
>>> 1. Q. What is the goal of the podcast?
>>>    A.  We hope to provide an infotainment podcast about experiences 
>>> ,
>> and
>>> issues as they relate to blind students.
>>> 
>>> 2. Q. Have we released an episode of the podcast yet?
>>>     A.  No, as of now our release date for the first episode is set 
>>> in September.
>>> 3. Q. What do we wan’t you to share?
>>>     A.  Aside for a few topic, and content guidelines that is 
>>> entirely
>> up
>>> to you?
>>> 4. Q.  Who is on the Nabs Now Team?
>>>      A. Nina  Marranca, Nick Petrillo, Santiago Hernandez, Robert
>> Parsons,
>>> Teriq  Williams, Maura Loberg, Mausam Mehta, and Aaron Espinoza. as 
>>> well
>> as
>>> a few others.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If you have any further questions please don’t hesitate to ask. us 
>>> either here  or at podcast.nabs at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> Nabs Now Team
>>> 
>>> Podcast.nabs at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> On Wednesday, August 28, 2019, Sami Osborne 
>>> <sami.j.osborne97 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> What exactly are you planning to accomplish with this podcast? When 
>>>> do
>>> you
>>>> plan on  getting it released? What exactly do you want us to share?
>> Also,
>>>> who is this "team" that's working on it? I think much more 
>>>> information would be greatly appreciated by all of us here. I'm not 
>>>> trying to sound rude or pushy here, so hopefully I won't be 
>>>> disciplined for this
>> message,
>>>> but if you guys are promoting something like this, it's best to 
>>>> publish
>>> as
>>>> much information like this out there so that people will find it
>>> credible.
>>>> With the very little information we have right now, outsiders might
>> think
>>>> this could be a spam email... especially since the email address is
>> only
>>>> listed as "Blind Students." Maybe you should change this email 
>>>> address
>> to
>>>> read "NABS Podcast" so that it sounds more believable.
>>>> 
>>>> Again, I'm not trying to be pushy, just giving you some friendly
>> advice.
>>>> Hopefully more information will be publicized soon.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Sami
>>>> 
>>>> On Aug 28, 2019 1:11 AM, Blind Students via NABS-L 
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hey everyone, we are excited to invite you to speak on the Nabs  Now
>>>>> Podcast!   If you are interested please fill out the form  linked
>>> below,
>>>>> and we will get back with you as soon as possible. We look forward 
>>>>> to hearing from you!
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1mNuIH7DfzpwnMSrOoejaZ9KE8h7Hy
>>>> ZEhWG5L-7Hl_dg/viewform?edit_requested=true
>>>>> 
>>>>> NABS  Now  Team
>>>>> 
>>>>> Podcast.nabs at gmail.com
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
>>>>> for
>>>> NABS-L:
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/
>>>> sami.j.osborne97%40gmail.com
>>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NABS-L mailing list
>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
>>> for
>>> NABS-L:
>>> 
>>> 
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sflinder775%40acc
>> ess.alamancecc.edu
>>> 
>> --
>> *Selvin Linder *
>> 336-645-0252
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> NABS-L:
>> 
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/elizabethrouse.nf
>> b%40gmail.com
>> 
> --
> Elizabeth Rouse
> Chair | Fundraising Committee
> Board Member | National Association of Blind Students A proud division 
> of the National Federation of the Blind www.nabslink.org 
> elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com
> 563-210-1854
> _______________________________________________
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> l.com

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