[NABS-L] dining and menus
Annis, Tara
annis1 at live.marshall.edu
Mon Jan 28 17:52:22 UTC 2019
Hello,
Sometimes the restaurant will have the enu posted online, maybe on their web site. I've been able to look at the ites at Starbucks in this manner.
Tara
Tara Annis
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1. Re: Dining Etiquette (Carly Mihalakis)
2. Re: Dining Etiquette (Keri Svendsen)
3. Subminimum Wages in the News (Justin Salisbury)
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Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 16:58:40 -0800
From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
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Evening, Simon and others,
Personally, I was a braille reader for years growing up, but at the age of 19, lost such ability to appreciate complex, dot patterns.
I harbor no shame in simply, asking waiter to handle per their jobs, seeing too all layers of a dining experience, that is, just ask the waiter about the menu.
Car2018, simon bonenfant via NABS-L wrote:
>Hi Folks. As I read? this thread another question comes to my mind.
>What have you all done about reading menus when they are not in
>braille? Most places I go to the restruants do not have braille menus.
>I've heard of people using knfb reader or Seeing Ai or something else
>to that effect but that has really never seemed to work for me. I find
>that when I've tried using Knfb Reader to read menus it usually jumbles
>things together and I end up not clearly distinguishing the price of
>the ingredients in the dish to the actual dish which makes this task
>very confusing with Knfb Reader. I usually end up asking whoever I'm
>with to read me the menu which is fine with me but I'm just curious how
>others handle this? Thanks. Simon. Sent from my braille note touch. On
>Oct 27, 2018 9:05 AM, Justin Williams via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>wrote: > > Soups can be a little sloppy, so watch that, and be ware of
>how much salad dressing you put on your salad, and how big the pieces
>of the salad are. > > But yes, those items she mentioned are definitely
>worth consideration because they can be readily accessed without a
>whole lot of effort. > > Justin > -----Original Message----- > From:
>NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jameyanne Fuller
>via NABS-L > Sent:
>Friday, October 26, 2018 11:42 PM > To:
>'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> > Cc: Jameyanne Fuller <jameyanne at gmail.com> >
>Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette > > I echo what Tara said.
>Practice on your own until you feel comfortable with it. In the
>meantime, if you're out to eat in a professional setting, try to get
>things that you don't have to cut. They don't have to be handheld, but
>things like pasta, soup, or salad don't necessarily have to be cut.
>Though twirling spaghetti onto a fork is another matter. > >
>-----Original Message----- > From:
>NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tara Briggs via NABS-L
>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 6:47 PM > To: National Association of
>Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> > Cc: Tara Briggs
><thflute at gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette > > Hey
>Jason! Welcome to eating as a blind person! We???ve all been there!
>Probably one of the best things I can do just for you would be to
>practice when you???re by yourself. He could also start with something
>like toast and tried cutting up with a knife and fork. Then you can
>look at what you???re doing.
>One of the best things you can do is eat small bites! If you lift your
>fork up and it feels heavy and that might mean at the bite is too big.
>I hope other people pass on their tips and tricks. I have found that
>the sharper The knife,? the easier it is to cut food. > Tara > > Sent
>from my iPhone > > > On Oct 26, 2018, at 4:21 PM, Jason Perenski via
>NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > I hope this is the
>right place to ask about this.
>My ability to > > gracefully cut food with a fork and knife is abysmal.
>This is an > > uncomfortable situation to discuss since dining is so
>essential for > > social and business situations, and these skills are
>usually so > > incredibly obvious and second nature for most people. I
>know everyone > > struggles with something, but as an otherwise
>independent and > > successful young adult, this topic feels like
>something I shouldn???t be > > stumbling over. > > > > I don't eat a
>lot of meat or food that needs to be cut in general, but > > I'd like
>to look professional in more formal social and business > > settings
>now that I'm about to leave college. And frankly, I also > > don't want
>to be the blind person who always orders something handheld > > when
>eating in public. > > > > Unfortunately, no one taught me when I was
>younger, which is a > > widespread problem for blind children. I've
>read some guides online > > about proper table etiquette and how to cut
>something without looking > > like a slob. And I've even bought
>playdough to practice with. But I'm > > still lousy at it.
>I'm curious if anyone here has other tips or tricks > > to get more
>comfortable and graceful at this. To be as detailed as > > possible,
>here's what sometimes happens: > > > > 1. I start cutting along the
>back (convex) portion of the fork, but > > I'm only partially
>successful at separating a bite. I end up with a > > tiny bit of meat
>clinging to the large piece and it's difficult to > > tell when I've
>successfully finished cutting something. This happens a > > lot with
>larger, rounded cuts, where a good edge to start from isn???t > >
>available or obvious.
>I place the fork in and position the knife along > > the back of it,
>but the thing to be cut extends well past the tines of > > the fork to
>either side. In theory I should easily be able to tell > > when the
>knife scrapes the plate and there's no more meat to cut, but > > in
>practice I'm not always successful at it. > > 2. While cutting, I start
>shifting the thing to be cut around the > > plate and, occasionally,
>start actually sliding the plate around. I > > don't know if this has
>something to do with technique or perhaps even > > strength. This
>happens less and less with experience, but it's still > > uncomfortable
>when it does. > > 3.
>This all becomes a bigger challenge with more complicated dishes > >
>(meat with sauce on top, or plates with several other items). > > > >
>Is this something you've ever related to, or is it just me? Were you >
>> taught any alternative techniques that might be helpful? Am I missing
>> > something obvious? Is my technique possibly incorrect? Are there
>meals > > you find easier to handle than others? All of this makes me
>feel like > > a bit of an inept loser for a skill that shouldn't be
>difficult. If > > you have skills or techniques to make this process
>more seamless and > > graceful, I'd love to hear them. > > > >
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 20:05:16 -0500
From: Keri Svendsen <keribcu at gmail.com>
To: Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette
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I will ask the person I'm with or the waiter/waitress.
I usually have an idea of what I'd like so that narrows it down. I usually have to ask about something anyhow because I have a lot of food allergies.
On 1/27/2019 7:58 PM, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L wrote:
> Evening, Simon and others,
>
> Personally, I was a braille reader for years growing up, but at the
> age of 19, lost such ability to appreciate complex, dot patterns.
> I harbor no shame in simply, asking waiter? to handle per their jobs,
> seeing too all layers of a dining experience, that is, just ask the
> waiter about the menu.
> Car2018, simon bonenfant via NABS-L wrote:
>> Hi Folks. As I read?? this thread another question comes to my mind.
>> What have you all done about reading menus when they are not in
>> braille? Most places I go to the restruants do not have braille
>> menus. I've heard of people using knfb reader or Seeing Ai or
>> something else to that effect but that has really never seemed to
>> work for me. I find that when I've tried using Knfb Reader to read
>> menus it usually jumbles things together and I end up not clearly
>> distinguishing the price of the ingredients in the dish to the actual
>> dish which makes this task very confusing with Knfb Reader. I usually
>> end up asking whoever I'm with to read me the menu which is fine with
>> me but I'm just curious how others handle this? Thanks. Simon. Sent
>> from my braille note touch. On Oct 27, 2018 9:05 AM, Justin Williams
>> via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > Soups can be a little
>> sloppy, so watch that, and be ware of how much salad dressing you put
>> on your salad, and how big the pieces of the salad are. > > But yes,
>> those items she mentioned are definitely worth consideration because
>> they can be readily accessed without a whole lot of effort. > >
>> Justin > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L
>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jameyanne Fuller via
>> NABS-L > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 11:42 PM > To: 'National
>> Association of Blind Students mailing list' <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> > Cc:
>> Jameyanne Fuller <jameyanne at gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dining
>> Etiquette > > I echo what Tara said. Practice on your own until you
>> feel comfortable with it. In the meantime, if you're out to eat in a
>> professional setting, try to get things that you don't have to cut.
>> They don't have to be handheld, but things like pasta, soup, or salad
>> don't necessarily have to be cut. Though twirling spaghetti onto a
>> fork is another matter. > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L
>> <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tara Briggs via NABS-L >
>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 6:47 PM > To: National Association of
>> Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> > Cc: Tara Briggs
>> <thflute at gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dining Etiquette > > Hey
>> Jason! Welcome to eating as a blind person! We???ve all been there!
>> Probably one of the best things I can do just for you would be to
>> practice when you???re by yourself. He could also start with
>> something like toast and tried cutting up with a knife and fork. Then
>> you can look at what you???re doing. One of the best things you can
>> do is eat small bites! If you lift your fork up and it feels heavy
>> and that might mean at the bite is too big. I hope other people pass
>> on their tips and tricks. I have found that the sharper The knife,??
>> the easier it is to cut food. > Tara > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On
>> Oct 26, 2018, at 4:21 PM, Jason Perenski via NABS-L
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > I hope this is the right
>> place to ask about this. My ability to > > gracefully cut food with a
>> fork and knife is abysmal. This is an > > uncomfortable situation to
>> discuss since dining is so essential for > > social and business
>> situations, and these skills are usually so > > incredibly obvious
>> and second nature for most people. I know everyone > > struggles with
>> something, but as an otherwise independent and > > successful young
>> adult, this topic feels like something I shouldn???t be > > stumbling
>> over. > > > > I don't eat a lot of meat or food that needs to be cut
>> in general, but > > I'd like to look professional in more formal
>> social and business > > settings now that I'm about to leave college.
>> And frankly, I also > > don't want to be the blind person who always
>> orders something handheld > > when eating in public. > > > >
>> Unfortunately, no one taught me when I was younger, which is a > >
>> widespread problem for blind children. I've read some guides online >
>> > about proper table etiquette and how to cut something without
>> looking > > like a slob. And I've even bought playdough to practice
>> with. But I'm > > still lousy at it. I'm curious if anyone here has
>> other tips or tricks > > to get more comfortable and graceful at
>> this. To be as detailed as > > possible, here's what sometimes
>> happens: > > > > 1. I start cutting along the back (convex) portion
>> of the fork, but > > I'm only partially successful at separating a
>> bite. I end up with a > > tiny bit of meat clinging to the large
>> piece and it's difficult to > > tell when I've successfully finished
>> cutting something. This happens a > > lot with larger, rounded cuts,
>> where a good edge to start from isn???t > > available or obvious. I
>> place the fork in and position the knife along > > the back of it,
>> but the thing to be cut extends well past the tines of > > the fork
>> to either side. In theory I should easily be able to tell > > when
>> the knife scrapes the plate and there's no more meat to cut, but > >
>> in practice I'm not always successful at it. > > 2. While cutting, I
>> start shifting the thing to be cut around the > > plate and,
>> occasionally, start actually sliding the plate around. I > > don't
>> know if this has something to do with technique or perhaps even > >
>> strength. This happens less and less with experience, but it's still
>> > > uncomfortable when it does. > > 3. This all becomes a bigger
>> challenge with more complicated dishes > > (meat with sauce on top,
>> or plates with several other items). > > > > Is this something you've
>> ever related to, or is it just me? Were you > > taught any
>> alternative techniques that might be helpful? Am I missing > >
>> something obvious? Is my technique possibly incorrect? Are there
>> meals > > you find easier to handle than others? All of this makes me
>> feel like > > a bit of an inept loser for a skill that shouldn't be
>> difficult. If > > you have skills or techniques to make this process
>> more seamless and > > graceful, I'd love to hear them. > > > >
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Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 04:42:38 +0000
From: Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu>
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Subject: [NABS-L] Subminimum Wages in the News
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Aloha NABS members and leaders,
As many of us are enjoying the beginnings of Washington Seminar, I want to share an excellent news article, front and center in the Sunday paper, here in Hawaii:
Naming Names: Hawaii Politicians Profit from Sub-Minimum Wage Sweatshops for the Disabled<http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/ID/22995/Naming-Names-Hawaii-Politicians-Profit-from-Sub-Minimum-Wage-Sweatshops-for-the-Disabled.aspx>
Enjoy,
Justin Salisbury
Chair, Legislative Advocacy Committee
Justin M. Hideaki Salisbury, MA, NOMC, NCRTB, NCUEB
Board Member | National Association of Blind Students
A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind
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