From rob.parso3389 at gmail.com Tue Oct 1 11:23:05 2019 From: rob.parso3389 at gmail.com (rob.parso3389 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 07:23:05 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] MiABS Michigan's Got Talent Competition Message-ID: <005201d5784a$98f9d300$caed7900$@gmail.com> Good Morning NABSters I hope that all of you are having a great beginning of Fall. With the first day of National Meet the Blind Month underway, I thought it would be great to update you all on the progress for our talent competition at the Michigan state convention! The event, "Michigan's Got Talent," will take place on Friday, November 8, 2019 at 9pm at the Crowne Plaza Grand Rapids. This event, aimed at spotlighting our affiliate's talented members, is a social phenomenon that you will not want to miss. We will have great performers, delicious appetizers, and a cash bar! It is gearing up to be one for the record books. The Skinny: The talent competition offers prizes for the top three performers of the night. These prizes include cash and other items of desire, but to win such prizes you must enter the competition. There will also be a door prize drawn at the event, so you must be in the room for the event in order to win this item. To register for the competition, you should select the talent competition as part of your itinerary when you register for our state convention at www.nfbmi.org/convention. This will add the $5 cover charge to your overall registration invoice. If you do not do this, no worries, you can still buy a ticket at the door for $7. Take advantage of the savings and preregister, you will become part of the VIP club and have an opportunity to walk into the event and skip the lines. What's a Talent? A talent is subjective. This is not a singing competition. Talent shows include performers that can do something classical like playing a musical instrument or reading a poem to something unorthodox like belching the alphabet. If it makes you unique and keeps the judges on their feet, you are talented. Remember, I promised that if anyone needed a backup dancer, they can contract me for a $5 box from Taco Bell. I got mad moves, yo. We are here to have fun and create more camaraderie amongst our affiliate members at our fiftieth anniversary. Want to Compete? No problem, our competitor registration link is live on our affiliate's convention page. Simply go to www.nfbmi.org/convention and click the link that takes you to the form. Remember to read the directions carefully. There will be a conference call for competitors in the next two weeks so that you will know what the expectations are. If you have any questions about the event or the process to register to compete, please feel free to contact me via e-mail at Robert.E.Parsons at wmich.edu . I am always happy to help. Remember, scared money doesn't make any money, so if you think you are talented try to show us and be rewarded with love, hope, and determination. and maybe some cash. Blessings Robert E. Parsons Jr. President, Kalamazoo Chapter Vice President, Michigan Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind of Michigan Phone: 804 801 7674 "Without struggle, there is no progress." -Frederick Douglas From ljmaher03 at outlook.com Tue Oct 1 14:07:37 2019 From: ljmaher03 at outlook.com (Louis Maher) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 14:07:37 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Call for Speakers for A Phone Conference on How Students Can Do Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics (STEM) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, I have two speakers for the phone conference discussed below. I would like two more. --- Call for Speakers for A Phone Conference on How Students Can Do Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics (STEM) The Science and Engineering Division of the National Federation of the Blind and the National Association of Blind Students will present a joint phone conference on how blind professionals, and blind college and graduate students are succeeding in courses to do with science, technology, engineering, and mathematics. The call-in number will be the NABS conference line 712-770-5197, Participant Access Code: 265669. The call will occur at 8 PM EST through 9 PM EST on Sunday, February 23, 2020. Topics will be of interest for blind students in middle school, high school, college and graduate school and professionals. Parents of blind school-aged children and educators are also welcome. Some portion of the presentation will address how to succeed in a laboratory setting. If you are interested in giving an approximately ten-minute STEM-related talk, please contact Louis Maher (713-444-7838, ljmaher03 at outlook.com) with your topic. Thank you. --- Regards Louis Maher Phone: 713-444-7838 E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com From ninam0814 at gmail.com Tue Oct 1 14:40:27 2019 From: ninam0814 at gmail.com (Nina Marranca) Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2019 10:40:27 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] REMINDER - NABS Now Podcast Call Wednesday Oct 2 9 PM EST Message-ID: <953EAE85-A071-4F0C-B927-24C113DC04E6@gmail.com> Hi, everyone! I would like to remind you that the next NABS Now Podcast planning call is happening tomorrow- Wednesday Oct 2 at 9 PM EST. we will be planning our next episode and sharing our progress so far. All are welcome. Bring your ideas and enthusiasm. To join call: (712) 770-5197,,265669# See y’all tomorrow! Best, Nina Marranca Nina Marranca Moderator | National Association of Blind Students Mailing List Co-chair | Communications Committee Ninam0814 at gmail.com Nina Marranca Moderator | National Association of Blind Students Mailing List Co-chair | Communications Committee Ninam0814 at gmail.com From mausam.mehta.nfb at gmail.com Tue Oct 1 16:02:06 2019 From: mausam.mehta.nfb at gmail.com (Mausam Mehta) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 12:02:06 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] What's On Your Mind Wednesdays: Starting Tomorrow!!! Message-ID: <2E2E29EF-1D5D-4E37-8743-1CD1CA692AA2@gmail.com> Hey Nabsters, I hope everyone is having a terrific Tuesday! Almost hump day. That also means it's almost time to launch another exciting new project! The communications committee is thrilled to bring you What's On Your Mind Wednesdays, starting tomorrow in the NABS Facebook group! We will be posting a thought-provoking question on our Facebook page each week, and we encourage you to express your ideas and opinions! Stay tuned for tomorrow's discussion, and feel free to give your two cents and join in on the fun! If you are not a member of our Facebook group, follow the link below and submit a request to join, and we'll get you set up. https://www.facebook.com/groups/173482726798026/?ref=share Excited to hear from you soon! Mausam Mehta Chair | Communications Committee Secretary | National Association of blind students A proud division of the National Federation of the blind mausam.mehta.nfb at gmail.com | www.nabslink.org From aaronespinozanfb at gmail.com Wed Oct 2 06:49:07 2019 From: aaronespinozanfb at gmail.com (Aaron Espinoza) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 01:49:07 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] robotics Resources Message-ID: Hello my friend would like to continue in the robotics field as a blind person. Is there any resources available? I did read about the STEM-X program the NFB had in 2013 but is that still going on? From gretch99brown at gmail.com Wed Oct 2 12:29:04 2019 From: gretch99brown at gmail.com (Gretchen Brown) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 07:29:04 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] apa format Message-ID: Hi, I was wondering if anyone has any resources for writing APA formatted papers using JAWS. I currently have a sighted person check my work, as I do not currently know if there is a way to check this using JAWS. Also, does anyone know how to use JAWS to find a page number in a PDF file. Thank you in advance. From ljmaher03 at outlook.com Wed Oct 2 12:49:13 2019 From: ljmaher03 at outlook.com (Louis Maher) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 12:49:13 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] apa format In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Gretchen, Get the book: "Format Your Word Documents with JAWS and NVDA A Guide for Students and Professionals By David Kingsbury Assistive Technology Instructor The Carroll Center for the Blind" from the National Braille Press "https://www.nbp.org/". I got the book in Microsoft word format. It will take you about four hours to listen to. It teaches how to use the proof reading tools in JAWS and NVDA. It discusses the APA requirements. The book costs around $18. Regards Louis Maher Phone: 713-444-7838 E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Gretchen Brown via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2019 7:29 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: Gretchen Brown Subject: [NABS-L] apa format Hi, I was wondering if anyone has any resources for writing APA formatted papers using JAWS. I currently have a sighted person check my work, as I do not currently know if there is a way to check this using JAWS. Also, does anyone know how to use JAWS to find a page number in a PDF file. Thank you in advance. _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfe6b07f4c6244aa9672008d747345407%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637056162374117111&sdata=dR1Gj3hsuC0ekbl%2B9%2BSdZha4JYCpss4T9qgmmBOr3%2BE%3D&reserved=0 To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org%2Fljmaher03%2540outlook.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfe6b07f4c6244aa9672008d747345407%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637056162374117111&sdata=mWXLow1ypccgMg4BRTNrq38rJr%2F3iCg57SjZk4ZPKfI%3D&reserved=0 From davant1958 at gmail.com Wed Oct 2 12:56:53 2019 From: davant1958 at gmail.com (davant1958 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 07:56:53 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] apa format In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <174701d57920$dd70cfd0$98526f70$@gmail.com> Hello There is a book from National Braille Press on different types of formatting including APA style. You can purchase it in electronic word or Braille. Denise R. Avant, Esq. President, National Federation of the Blind of Illinois 773-991-8050 Live the life you want. For more information about NFBI, Go to www.nfbofillinois.org -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Gretchen Brown via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2019 7:29 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: Gretchen Brown Subject: [NABS-L] apa format Hi, I was wondering if anyone has any resources for writing APA formatted papers using JAWS. I currently have a sighted person check my work, as I do not currently know if there is a way to check this using JAWS. Also, does anyone know how to use JAWS to find a page number in a PDF file. Thank you in advance. _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/davant1958%40gmail.com From redwing731 at gmail.com Wed Oct 2 23:00:10 2019 From: redwing731 at gmail.com (Kendra Schaber) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 16:00:10 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Making graphs on Microsoft XL! Message-ID: <3E02D495-E7DF-4D1E-9618-BC3549135168@gmail.com> Hi all! I’m the student who’s taking environmental science who has picked brains and ranted on graphs last week. I’m back with a related query but a bit more narrowed down. I’m suposed to learn how to make a scatterplot using Microsoft XL next week in my science lab. I got dirrections on how to do this but they are not for screen reader users. They keep talking about using the mouse to get half of the dirrections done. How would I make a scatterplot without the mouse? How would I do this using a computer keyboard instead? I’m using a Dell laptop computer with both JAWS and NVDA installed on it. I also have Microsoft XL, I think it’s 2016 but will have to double check. The sighted dirrections I got are for XL 2016. I think you guys are more able to assist me with this query than the computer lady at the local Commission for the Blind. For one thing, she doesn’t know how to build graphs on Microsoft XL and for another, she is already swampped with other clients this term so even if she knew how to make such a graph, she wouldn’t have the time to teach me within reason. For a third, she also wants to work, on my listed spasific tech goals which were made before I knew I was going to be required to make graphs on Microsoft XL. So, honestly, I’ll need you guys to step in here and give me better dirrections here. Thank you!!! "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author Unknown. Thank you for reading this email! Also, please note that I have eighth grade spelling. I'm well known for spelling mistakes. Ironicly, writing is one of my gifts. Blessed Be! Kendra Schaber, Student of Chemeketa Community College, member of 350.ORG Salem, Member of the National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter. Writing on my Polaris Braille Sense. Using both Gmail and Outlook. Go Detroit, Red Wings! Go Pittsburgh, Penguins! Go Portland, Winterhawks! Go Baltimore, Oriels! Go Baltimore, Ravens! Go Oregon State Beavers, baseball and football teams! From sami.j.osborne97 at gmail.com Fri Oct 4 15:16:03 2019 From: sami.j.osborne97 at gmail.com (Sami Osborne) Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2019 11:16:03 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] BrailleNote Touch questions Message-ID: <5d976236.1c69fb81.fe61d.225d@mx.google.com> Hi all, I have a few somewhat unrelated questions for those who use the BrailleNote Touch. I've had mine for over a year now, and am really enjoying it so far. I feel that it's definitely an improvement over the Apex, especially in terms of crashing and other things. However, there are some things easily accomplished on the Apex that I haven't been able to figure out on the Touch yet. I've looked in the user guide as well as searched up things on Humanware's website, however the user guide is rather vague in some places (at least less clear than the Apexs' was), and there's nothing on the website about these things. First of all, how can you keep email attachments that you receive on the device? In my experience, you can save the attachment, but there might be times when you just decide to open it for some quick reading and then refer to it afterwords. Also, for some reason, if you open the attachment directly and then intend to go back to it, the document (and sometimes the whole email itself) will just randomly disappear with no explanation. Has anyone had that happen to them? Also related to email, is there a way to  just quickly select multiple recipients? Whenever I've had to do this, I would add the name and email address in my contacts, and then choose the button that says "Select recipient." However there may be times when you need to send an email once to multiple people, and you might not need to always keep their addresses. On the Apex, it will just say "Send to:," "Also send to:," "Copy to:," and "Blind copy to:." Also while we're on that note, is there a way to copy/blind copy someone on an email with the Touch. Finally, is there a way to navigate between pages in Google Drive or Docs? I tried pressing SPACE with M for the context menu, but it doesn't give me that option, plus SPACE with T to navigate elements, but that doesn't work in those kinds of documents. I know you can find a specific term which can bring you to the next page, but you may not always know what words are contained in the document, so I think it would be easier to scroll between pages. I hope you guys who use a BrailleNote Touch can help me out, because these quirky new adjustments from the Apex are really starting to get to me. Thanks for your help, Sami From sandragayer7 at gmail.com Fri Oct 4 16:17:59 2019 From: sandragayer7 at gmail.com (Sandra Gayer) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 17:17:59 +0100 Subject: [NABS-L] BrailleNote Touch questions In-Reply-To: <5d976236.1c69fb81.fe61d.225d@mx.google.com> References: <5d976236.1c69fb81.fe61d.225d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hello Sami, I use a Braillenote Touch. I can't help with your questions because I do not use the Internet with it. My needs are word processing and a few other offline tasks. I use the computer or smartphone for email. However, I hope someone answers you soon. Very best wishes, Sandra. On 10/4/19, Sami Osborne via NABS-L wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a few somewhat unrelated questions for those who use the BrailleNote > Touch. > > I've had mine for over a year now, and am really enjoying it so far. I feel > that it's definitely an improvement over the Apex, especially in terms of > crashing and other things. However, there are some things easily > accomplished on the Apex that I haven't been able to figure out on the Touch > yet. I've looked in the user guide as well as searched up things on > Humanware's website, however the user guide is rather vague in some places > (at least less clear than the Apexs' was), and there's nothing on the > website about these things. > > First of all, how can you keep email attachments that you receive on the > device? In my experience, you can save the attachment, but there might be > times when you just decide to open it for some quick reading and then refer > to it afterwords. Also, for some reason, if you open the attachment directly > and then intend to go back to it, the document (and sometimes the whole > email itself) will just randomly disappear with no explanation. Has anyone > had that happen to them? > > Also related to email, is there a way to  just quickly select multiple > recipients? Whenever I've had to do this, I would add the name and email > address in my contacts, and then choose the button that says "Select > recipient." However there may be times when you need to send an email once > to multiple people, and you might not need to always keep their addresses. > On the Apex, it will just say "Send to:," "Also send to:," "Copy to:," and > "Blind copy to:." Also while we're on that note, is there a way to > copy/blind copy someone on an email with the Touch. > > Finally, is there a way to navigate between pages in Google Drive or Docs? I > tried pressing SPACE with M for the context menu, but it doesn't give me > that option, plus SPACE with T to navigate elements, but that doesn't work > in those kinds of documents. I know you can find a specific term which can > bring you to the next page, but you may not always know what words are > contained in the document, so I think it would be easier to scroll between > pages. > > I hope you guys who use a BrailleNote Touch can help me out, because these > quirky new adjustments from the Apex are really starting to get to me. > > Thanks for your help, > > Sami > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gmail.com > -- Sandra Gayer DipABRSM, LRSM. Soprano Singer www.sandragayer.com Broadcast Presenter www.rnibconnectradio.org.uk/music-box.html Actor www.visablepeople.com Voiceover Artist www.archangelvoices.co.uk/content/sandra-gayer From alliefa1999 at gmail.com Fri Oct 4 16:29:04 2019 From: alliefa1999 at gmail.com (Alexandra Alfonso) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 12:29:04 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] BrailleNote Touch questions In-Reply-To: References: <5d976236.1c69fb81.fe61d.225d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: To cc someone hit the square button and go through the options til you get to +cc. Thank you > On Oct 4, 2019, at 12:17 PM, Sandra Gayer via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello Sami, > I use a Braillenote Touch. I can't help with your questions because I > do not use the Internet with it. My needs are word processing and a > few other offline tasks. I use the computer or smartphone for email. > However, I hope someone answers you soon. > > Very best wishes, > Sandra. > >> On 10/4/19, Sami Osborne via NABS-L wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I have a few somewhat unrelated questions for those who use the BrailleNote >> Touch. >> >> I've had mine for over a year now, and am really enjoying it so far. I feel >> that it's definitely an improvement over the Apex, especially in terms of >> crashing and other things. However, there are some things easily >> accomplished on the Apex that I haven't been able to figure out on the Touch >> yet. I've looked in the user guide as well as searched up things on >> Humanware's website, however the user guide is rather vague in some places >> (at least less clear than the Apexs' was), and there's nothing on the >> website about these things. >> >> First of all, how can you keep email attachments that you receive on the >> device? In my experience, you can save the attachment, but there might be >> times when you just decide to open it for some quick reading and then refer >> to it afterwords. Also, for some reason, if you open the attachment directly >> and then intend to go back to it, the document (and sometimes the whole >> email itself) will just randomly disappear with no explanation. Has anyone >> had that happen to them? >> >> Also related to email, is there a way to just quickly select multiple >> recipients? Whenever I've had to do this, I would add the name and email >> address in my contacts, and then choose the button that says "Select >> recipient." However there may be times when you need to send an email once >> to multiple people, and you might not need to always keep their addresses. >> On the Apex, it will just say "Send to:," "Also send to:," "Copy to:," and >> "Blind copy to:." Also while we're on that note, is there a way to >> copy/blind copy someone on an email with the Touch. >> >> Finally, is there a way to navigate between pages in Google Drive or Docs? I >> tried pressing SPACE with M for the context menu, but it doesn't give me >> that option, plus SPACE with T to navigate elements, but that doesn't work >> in those kinds of documents. I know you can find a specific term which can >> bring you to the next page, but you may not always know what words are >> contained in the document, so I think it would be easier to scroll between >> pages. >> >> I hope you guys who use a BrailleNote Touch can help me out, because these >> quirky new adjustments from the Apex are really starting to get to me. >> >> Thanks for your help, >> >> Sami >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Sandra Gayer DipABRSM, LRSM. > > Soprano Singer > www.sandragayer.com > > Broadcast Presenter > www.rnibconnectradio.org.uk/music-box.html > > Actor > www.visablepeople.com > > Voiceover Artist > www.archangelvoices.co.uk/content/sandra-gayer > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alliefa1999%40gmail.com From alpineimagination at gmail.com Fri Oct 4 19:16:13 2019 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 12:16:13 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] iPhone password autofill Message-ID: <3E7BF9D6-2965-495A-8DFB-389773D301F0@gmail.com> Hi everyone, I am currently using the "password auto-fill" feature on my iPhone. I used to write my passwords out until about 2 weeks ago, when secure text fields weren't working with the new iOs update. There is one Web site that will not allow me to use auto-fill, unlike the others in which I can easily find the button that fills out the password field. It's my school's Web site, which is very big on security. Before I contact my school's IT department, I wanted to ask if there are some sites that just don't work with auto-fill and VoiceOver. Thanks, Vejas From leadershipjba at gmail.com Fri Oct 4 19:37:08 2019 From: leadershipjba at gmail.com (JASON ALAMILLO) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 12:37:08 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Typically, it should always work, sometimes you might have to go into the website settings to make auto fill work.Re: iPhone password autofill In-Reply-To: <3E7BF9D6-2965-495A-8DFB-389773D301F0@gmail.com> References: <3E7BF9D6-2965-495A-8DFB-389773D301F0@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 12:18 PM Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L < nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > Hi everyone, > I am currently using the "password auto-fill" feature on my iPhone. I used > to write my passwords out until about 2 weeks ago, when secure text fields > weren't working with the new iOs update. > There is one Web site that will not allow me to use auto-fill, unlike the > others in which I can easily find the button that fills out the password > field. It's my school's Web site, which is very big on security. > Before I contact my school's IT department, I wanted to ask if there are > some sites that just don't work with auto-fill and VoiceOver. > Thanks, > Vejas > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leadershipjba%40gmail.com > From sandragayer7 at gmail.com Sun Oct 6 10:55:19 2019 From: sandragayer7 at gmail.com (Sandra Gayer) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 11:55:19 +0100 Subject: [NABS-L] (no subject) Message-ID: Hello Everyone, Is there a list serve for blind/visually impaired physiotherapists? Very best wishes, Sandra. -- Sandra Gayer DipABRSM, LRSM. Soprano Singer www.sandragayer.com Broadcast Presenter www.rnibconnectradio.org.uk/music-box.html Actor www.visablepeople.com Voiceover Artist www.archangelvoices.co.uk/content/sandra-gayer From thflute at gmail.com Sun Oct 6 16:54:22 2019 From: thflute at gmail.com (Tara Briggs) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 10:54:22 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] How to read kindle books on braille note touch plus Message-ID: <4EEF45C1-C4F9-4EB9-9C9C-9E573BAD58BE@gmail.com> Hi all! I have downloaded an accessible book on the Kindle app on my braille note touch plus. I have read the first page. And now I don’t know how to go to the second page! Any help would be great! Thanks so much. Tara Sent from my iPhone From dandrews920 at comcast.net Sun Oct 6 16:54:48 2019 From: dandrews920 at comcast.net (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2019 11:54:48 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not here on nfbnet.org. Dave At 05:55 AM 10/6/2019, you wrote: >Hello Everyone, >Is there a list serve for blind/visually impaired physiotherapists? > >Very best wishes, >Sandra. > >-- >Sandra Gayer DipABRSM, LRSM. > >Soprano Singer >www.sandragayer.com > >Broadcast Presenter >www.rnibconnectradio.org.uk/music-box.html > >Actor >www.visablepeople.com > >Voiceover Artist >www.archangelvoices.co.uk/content/sandra-gayer From trishak.nfb at gmail.com Sun Oct 6 19:40:25 2019 From: trishak.nfb at gmail.com (Trisha Kulkarni) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 12:40:25 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Reminder: October Fundraising Call Next Sunday at 9:00pm EST. Message-ID: <9C0FB709-7130-4A50-81D3-0318A86E8CBC@gmail.com>  Dear Students, As the weather cools down and schoolwork picks up, we hope you are keeping well this October. The NABS Fundraising Committee would like to remind all of you to take a study break next Sunday evening at 9:00pm EST. and join us for our monthly conference call. New members are always welcome as we work to find new and exciting ways to bring in funds for our division. Call: 712-770-5197 followed by access code 265669. If you have any questions before the meeting, do not hesitate to reach out to myself, Elizabeth Rouse, or Dustin Cather. Looking forward to talking to many of you then! Best Regards, Trisha Kulkarni Board Member | National Association of Blind Students A Proud Division of the National Federation of the Blind trishak.nfb at gmail.com www.nabslink.org From mausam.mehta.nfb at gmail.com Mon Oct 7 03:45:32 2019 From: mausam.mehta.nfb at gmail.com (Mausam Mehta) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 23:45:32 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Communications Committee Call, next Sunday at 8 PM Eastern Message-ID: <1BD4E1B9-B9CE-41BB-959B-05DD3226606D@gmail.com> Hey students, Somehow midterm season is sneaking up on many of us. I, for one, feel highly unprepared, but I know I can get that extra boost of energy from productive and motivating conversations with all of you! Join the communications committee for our committee call next Sunday at 8 PM Eastern! The call-in information is as follows: (712) 770-5197,,265669 Come with ideas and suggestions as we explore new initiatives coming up! Excited to hear from you! Mausam Mehta Chair | Communications Committee Secretary | National Association of blind students A proud division of the National Federation of the blind mausam.mehta.nfb at gmail.com | www.nabslink.org From sbonenfant2 at gmail.com Mon Oct 7 17:19:17 2019 From: sbonenfant2 at gmail.com (simon bonenfant) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2019 13:19:17 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Wanting to get a new braille display Message-ID: <5d9b73a7.1c69fb81.1eef5.305a@mx.google.com> I would look into getting an orbit reader 20 from Aph. This display is a big turn off for me because I use a braille note touch 32 cell but for you this might be what your looking for. Thanks. Simon. SENT from my braille note touch. On Sep 29, 2019 5:19 PM, Shikha via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello, > I want to get a new braille display to use with my phone. I have the braille sense U2  32 sell from hims. I want to get a 16 cell display for my phone. What do you guys recommend? > My braille speed is slow and I hardly use my braille display that I currently have because it is super heavy so I am not sure if my counselor will pay for it. > > Shikha Desai > Bachelor in Social Work > Georgia State University 18 > Master in Social Work Georgia State University Specialize Community Partnership 19 > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%40gmail.com From 1008jmd at gmail.com Mon Oct 7 17:59:23 2019 From: 1008jmd at gmail.com (John Dowling) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 13:59:23 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Wanting to get a new braille display In-Reply-To: <5d9b73a7.1c69fb81.1eef5.305a@mx.google.com> References: <5d9b73a7.1c69fb81.1eef5.305a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: > Hi, > I agree with Simon. The orbit reder 20 is low-cost compared to other models, the only downside is it's a bit noisy, and it takes a few seconds for the display to refresh, but it's still a great choice as a low-cost option. Hth, John. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 7, 2019, at 1:21 PM, simon bonenfant via NABS-L wrote: > > I would look into getting an orbit reader 20 from Aph. This display is a big turn off for me because I use a braille note touch 32 cell but for you this might be what your looking for. > Thanks. > Simon. > SENT from my braille note touch. > > On Sep 29, 2019 5:19 PM, Shikha via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello, > I want to get a new braille display to use with my phone. I have the braille sense U2 32 sell from hims. I want to get a 16 cell display for my phone. What do you guys recommend? > My braille speed is slow and I hardly use my braille display that I currently have because it is super heavy so I am not sure if my counselor will pay for it. > > Shikha Desai > Bachelor in Social Work > Georgia State University 18 > Master in Social Work Georgia State University Specialize Community Partnership 19 > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/1008jmd%40gmail.com > > > From ljmaher03 at outlook.com Mon Oct 7 19:27:56 2019 From: ljmaher03 at outlook.com (Louis Maher) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 19:27:56 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Wanting to get a new braille display In-Reply-To: <5d9b73a7.1c69fb81.1eef5.305a@mx.google.com> References: <5d9b73a7.1c69fb81.1eef5.305a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hello, I do recommend the Orbit 20. However, I would purchase it from its manufacturer "Orbit Research" " http://www.orbitresearch.com/support/orbit-reader-20-support/". They are able to give the Orbit 20 more support than can APH. Regards Louis Maher Phone: 713-444-7838 E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of simon bonenfant via NABS-L Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 12:19 PM To: Shikha via NABS-L Cc: simon bonenfant Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Wanting to get a new braille display I would look into getting an orbit reader 20 from Aph. This display is a big turn off for me because I use a braille note touch 32 cell but for you this might be what your looking for. Thanks. Simon. SENT from my braille note touch. On Sep 29, 2019 5:19 PM, Shikha via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello, > I want to get a new braille display to use with my phone. I have the braille sense U2  32 sell from hims. I want to get a 16 cell display for my phone. What do you guys recommend? > My braille speed is slow and I hardly use my braille display that I currently have because it is super heavy so I am not sure if my counselor will pay for it. > > Shikha Desai > Bachelor in Social Work > Georgia State University 18 > Master in Social Work Georgia State University Specialize Community > Partnership 19 _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%40gmai > l.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ljmaher03%40outlook.com From ALewis at nfb.org Mon Oct 7 20:18:04 2019 From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 20:18:04 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Wanting to get a new braille display In-Reply-To: <5d9b73a7.1c69fb81.1eef5.305a@mx.google.com> References: <5d9b73a7.1c69fb81.1eef5.305a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: FYI, the Orbit Reader is sold in the NFB Independence Market for $599. Anil Anil Lewis, M.P.A. (410) 659-9314 x 2374 National Federation of the Blind -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of simon bonenfant via NABS-L Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 1:19 PM To: Shikha via NABS-L Cc: simon bonenfant Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Wanting to get a new braille display I would look into getting an orbit reader 20 from Aph. This display is a big turn off for me because I use a braille note touch 32 cell but for you this might be what your looking for. Thanks. Simon. SENT from my braille note touch. On Sep 29, 2019 5:19 PM, Shikha via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello, > I want to get a new braille display to use with my phone. I have the braille sense U2  32 sell from hims. I want to get a 16 cell display for my phone. What do you guys recommend? > My braille speed is slow and I hardly use my braille display that I currently have because it is super heavy so I am not sure if my counselor will pay for it. > > Shikha Desai > Bachelor in Social Work > Georgia State University 18 > Master in Social Work Georgia State University Specialize Community > Partnership 19 _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org. > org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2 at gmail.com. > org _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alewis at nfb.org Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. From desai1shikha at gmail.com Tue Oct 8 19:05:03 2019 From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 15:05:03 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Planning for Washington Seminar Message-ID: <13F33427-A3F6-4C2D-8622-53A420F12042@gmail.com> Hey everyone, When do you guys start planning for Washington Seminar? I am thinking of flying to Baltimore on Friday night to visit friends and flying out of Dc on Tuesday or Wednesday night. How far in advance do you guys plan for Washington seminar and national convention? The plane ticket is about 180$ from Atlanta. How many days should I take off from work between Washington Seminar and National Convention after I get a job. I want to save up to take a week off for the Australia trip next November or December 2020 with my family. My parents said that I should try to save up all two weeks for the Australia trip. Please give any advice. Thanks, Shikha Desai Bachelor in Social Work Georgia State University 18 Master in Social Work Georgia State University Specialize Community Partnership 19 From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com Tue Oct 8 19:15:44 2019 From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 15:15:44 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Planning for Washington Seminar In-Reply-To: <13F33427-A3F6-4C2D-8622-53A420F12042@gmail.com> References: <13F33427-A3F6-4C2D-8622-53A420F12042@gmail.com> Message-ID: <01ac01d57e0c$c8b5c280$5a214780$@gmail.com> Hi Shikha: I believe hotel reservations don't open until November, so you have plenty of time. I would decide when you want to fly out and ask your affiliate president when your Congressional appointments will end. For example, all of Maryland's appointments are almost always finished by Tuesday night, so we are able to leave on Wednesday. However, Georgia may have appointments on Wednesday, so you may have to leave on Wednesday evening or Thursday morning if you decide to go to all of your meetings. Each state has its own schedule, so I encourage you to make sure you have your state's schedule before you decide to take off work. Hope this helps! Chris -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Shikha via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 3:05 PM To: National Association of Blind Students Cc: Shikha Subject: [NABS-L] Planning for Washington Seminar Hey everyone, When do you guys start planning for Washington Seminar? I am thinking of flying to Baltimore on Friday night to visit friends and flying out of Dc on Tuesday or Wednesday night. How far in advance do you guys plan for Washington seminar and national convention? The plane ticket is about 180$ from Atlanta. How many days should I take off from work between Washington Seminar and National Convention after I get a job. I want to save up to take a week off for the Australia trip next November or December 2020 with my family. My parents said that I should try to save up all two weeks for the Australia trip. Please give any advice. Thanks, Shikha Desai Bachelor in Social Work Georgia State University 18 Master in Social Work Georgia State University Specialize Community Partnership 19 _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%40gmail.com From desai1shikha at gmail.com Tue Oct 8 19:25:56 2019 From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 15:25:56 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Planning for Washington Seminar In-Reply-To: <01ac01d57e0c$c8b5c280$5a214780$@gmail.com> References: <13F33427-A3F6-4C2D-8622-53A420F12042@gmail.com> <01ac01d57e0c$c8b5c280$5a214780$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7FEBF5FE-1E6E-41E8-BE90-3C747B592F19@gmail.com> Thanks but should i buy the flights in October or wait till November. Good point Georgia does have meetings on Wednesday. Thanks Shikha Desai Bachelor in Social Work Georgia State University 18 Master in Social Work Georgia State University Specialize Community Partnership 19 > On Oct 8, 2019, at 3:15 PM, Chris Nusbaum via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Shikha: > > I believe hotel reservations don't open until November, so you have plenty > of time. I would decide when you want to fly out and ask your affiliate > president when your Congressional appointments will end. For example, all of > Maryland's appointments are almost always finished by Tuesday night, so we > are able to leave on Wednesday. However, Georgia may have appointments on > Wednesday, so you may have to leave on Wednesday evening or Thursday morning > if you decide to go to all of your meetings. Each state has its own > schedule, so I encourage you to make sure you have your state's schedule > before you decide to take off work. Hope this helps! > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Shikha via NABS-L > Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 3:05 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students > Cc: Shikha > Subject: [NABS-L] Planning for Washington Seminar > > Hey everyone, > When do you guys start planning for Washington Seminar? I am thinking of > flying to Baltimore on Friday night to visit friends and flying out of Dc on > Tuesday or Wednesday night. How far in advance do you guys plan for > Washington seminar and national convention? The plane ticket is about 180$ > from Atlanta. How many days should I take off from work between Washington > Seminar and National Convention after I get a job. I want to save up to take > a week off for the Australia trip next November or December 2020 with my > family. > My parents said that I should try to save up all two weeks for the Australia > trip. Please give any advice. > Thanks, > > > Shikha Desai > Bachelor in Social Work > Georgia State University 18 > Master in Social Work Georgia State University Specialize Community > Partnership 19 _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/desai1shikha%40gmail.com From mausam.mehta.nfb at gmail.com Tue Oct 8 23:47:17 2019 From: mausam.mehta.nfb at gmail.com (Mausam Mehta) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 19:47:17 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] September NABS Notes, Available Now!! Message-ID: <9F006B25-99B6-4150-9909-6E6D1CA54BE1@gmail.com> Hey hey students, Here we are as the weather finally gets cooler, and we pull our sweaters and boots out of our closets. Curl up with a pumpkin spice latte, if that's your style, and read our September edition of the NABS notes. Keep an eye out for a little surprise ... I won't say anymore! You can access the notes at the link below, and in the attached word document. http://nabslink.org/content/nabs-notesseptember-2019 Happy reading! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Please visit https://www.governmentjobs.com/careers/sc?department[0]=Commission%20for%20the%20Blind&sort=PositionTitle%7CAscending for additional information about our vacancies. Thanks, Wanda -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 9339 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From LBlake at nfb.org Fri Oct 11 14:51:04 2019 From: LBlake at nfb.org (Blake, Lou Ann) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 14:51:04 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Blind and low-vision young adults needed for field testing of employment app Message-ID: The below research participant solicitation is being provided for informational purposes only. The National Federation of the Blind has no involvement in this research, but we believe that it may contribute to our research mission. The NRTC on Blindness & Low Vision at Mississippi State University is now recruiting for field test participants for a new app project, 4to24, designed to help parents and youth focus on employment. The app provides information, resources, and activities that will help youth build independence and skills for employment as an adult. We are seeking parents of youth with blindness or visual impairment who are age 4 to 24, and youth with blindness or visual impairment who are age 16 to 24, to participate in a study using the app for a 6-month period. Attached to this email is a recruitment flyer that tells more about our app project and how it can benefit parents and youth. If you or someone you know may be interested in learning more, please see the attached flyer, or follow this link: https://www.research.net/r/MSUAppRegistry If you have questions or need more assistance, please call Anne Steverson or Karla Antonelli at 1-866-675-7782 or email at acc155 at mssstate.edu or kantonelli at colled.msstate.edu. Thank you for interest in our app project. Please forward this email to colleagues or friends who might be interested in participating. Sincerely, Karla B. Antonelli, PhD Research Scientist I National Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision 158 Industrial Education Building PO Box 6189 Mississippi State, MS 39762 662-325-3151 kantonelli at colled.msstate.edu https://www.blind.msstate.edu/ Lou Ann Blake, J.D. Deputy Executive Director, Blindness Initiatives 200 East Wells Street, Baltimore, MD 21230 (410) 659-9314, extension 2221 | lblake at nfb.org [National Federation of the Blind] [Facebook] [Twitter] [Youtube] The National Federation of the Blind is a community of members and friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation's blind. Every day we work together to help blind people live the lives they want. Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Employment App Field Test Flyer_Antonelli_MS State.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 325678 bytes Desc: Employment App Field Test Flyer_Antonelli_MS State.pdf URL: From mkvnfb94 at gmail.com Sun Oct 13 01:10:10 2019 From: mkvnfb94 at gmail.com (Mariya Vasileva) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 21:10:10 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Self employment inquiry Message-ID: Sent from my iPhone Hi, has anyone on this list been self employed? If so, what is it like and is there anyone doing this in Atlanta? I am asking because seeking regular employment with my handful work experience is damn near impossible. Thanks. From trishak.nfb at gmail.com Sun Oct 13 03:39:00 2019 From: trishak.nfb at gmail.com (Trisha Kulkarni) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 20:39:00 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Reminder: October Fundraising Call Sunday at 9:00pm EST. Message-ID: <02ED0D2C-9E24-48C5-9051-9FD9EF9F9D98@gmail.com>  What’s Up Students? We hope that you have had a wonderful weekend so far! Just a friendly reminder from the fundraising team to join us for our October committee call tomorrow, Sunday October 13, at 9:00pm EST. Topics will include efforts for Giving Tuesday, a new Super Bowl project, and plans for Washington Seminar. Everyone is welcome to join! Call: 712-770-5197,,265669 Talk to you then! Kindly, Trisha Kulkarni Board Member | National Association of Blind Students A Proud Division of the National Federation of the Blind trishak.nfb at gmail.com www.nabslink.org From johnawright98 at gmail.com Sun Oct 13 03:48:25 2019 From: johnawright98 at gmail.com (Johna Wright) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 22:48:25 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] October Communications Committee Call TOMORROW at 8pm EST Message-ID: Howdy, y’all! Just a quick reminder that the communications committee is having our monthly conference call tomorrow (Sunday) at 8pm eastern time. Whether you’ve come to every call since convention or this will be your first, your input is always welcomed and encouraged! We have lots of fun things happening so there shouldn’t be too many awkward silences... unless, of course, someone gets lost in the matrix — again. To join, call (712) 770-5197,,265669# Talk to you tomorrow, and if you have any questions in the meantime, don’t hesitate to holler. Cheers, Johna Wright Board Member | National Association of Blind Students A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind johnawright98 at gmail.com (706) 962-2613 www.nabslink.org From hstaley at nfbtx.org Sun Oct 13 10:48:42 2019 From: hstaley at nfbtx.org (Harry Staley) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 05:48:42 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Self employment inquiry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5C03F30E-75D0-469C-BA3C-3CAFDFDA5FC6@nfbtx.org> I have been self employed in the past. The pay may seem awesome but there are drawbacks. Your tax situation will get much more complicated and you will need to find and manage your own benefits such as health insurance, life insurance, etc. that being said if you are passionate about your craft, are competent, and can network the sky is the limit as an entrepreneur. There are two job markets the one where you apply through the normal HR channels and the job market made up of connections and relationships. Harry Staley (330) 718-1876 hstaley at nfbtx.org > On Oct 12, 2019, at 20:12, Mariya Vasileva via NABS-L wrote: > >  > > Sent from my iPhone > Hi, has anyone on this list been self employed? If so, what is it like and is there anyone doing this in Atlanta? I am asking because seeking regular employment with my handful work experience is damn near impossible. Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hstaley%40nfbtx.org From mkvnfb94 at gmail.com Sun Oct 13 14:52:44 2019 From: mkvnfb94 at gmail.com (Mariya Vasileva) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 10:52:44 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Self employment inquiry In-Reply-To: <5C03F30E-75D0-469C-BA3C-3CAFDFDA5FC6@nfbtx.org> References: <5C03F30E-75D0-469C-BA3C-3CAFDFDA5FC6@nfbtx.org> Message-ID: Thanks, I really appreciate the advice. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 13, 2019, at 06:49, Harry Staley via NABS-L wrote: > > I have been self employed in the past. The pay may seem awesome but there are drawbacks. Your tax situation will get much more complicated and you will need to find and manage your own benefits such as health insurance, life insurance, etc. that being said if you are passionate about your craft, are competent, and can network the sky is the limit as an entrepreneur. > > There are two job markets the one where you apply through the normal HR channels and the job market made up of connections and relationships. > > Harry Staley > (330) 718-1876 > hstaley at nfbtx.org > >> On Oct 12, 2019, at 20:12, Mariya Vasileva via NABS-L wrote: >> >>  >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> Hi, has anyone on this list been self employed? If so, what is it like and is there anyone doing this in Atlanta? I am asking because seeking regular employment with my handful work experience is damn near impossible. Thanks. >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hstaley%40nfbtx.org > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mkvnfb94%40gmail.com From mendezgabriel2000 at gmail.com Sun Oct 13 17:27:44 2019 From: mendezgabriel2000 at gmail.com (Gabriel Mendez-Frances) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 12:27:44 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Self employment inquiry In-Reply-To: References: <5C03F30E-75D0-469C-BA3C-3CAFDFDA5FC6@nfbtx.org> Message-ID: Hey Mariya, I've been self-employed for over a year now and I can tell you some of the pros and cons I've experienced. PROS - You can set your own schedule and work when you want - You have the freedom to work wherever you want - You can set your own prices based on what you think your work is worth. - As long as you have a phone, a computer, and an internet connection you won't need anything else. CONS - Your tax situation gets a bit more complicated than with a W2. Business tax deductions, tax credit criteria, and having to account for business expenses can be a hassle. - You will likely earn less than you expect at first since you have to build your brand first. - You will have to find clients and deal with unexpected circumstances like them not paying you or disappearing on you without a trace. I think the best thing about freelancing/self-employment is that you don't have to worry about transportation to and from work. It definitely isn't for everyone, but it can serve as a good source of alternative income if you're dedicated to it. -- Sincerely, Gabriel Mendez-Frances UAH C/O 2023 205.569.9852 On Sun, Oct 13, 2019, 9:54 AM Mariya Vasileva via NABS-L wrote: > Thanks, I really appreciate the advice. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 13, 2019, at 06:49, Harry Staley via NABS-L > wrote: > > > > I have been self employed in the past. The pay may seem awesome but > there are drawbacks. Your tax situation will get much more complicated and > you will need to find and manage your own benefits such as health > insurance, life insurance, etc. that being said if you are passionate about > your craft, are competent, and can network the sky is the limit as an > entrepreneur. > > > > There are two job markets the one where you apply through the normal HR > channels and the job market made up of connections and relationships. > > > > Harry Staley > > (330) 718-1876 > > hstaley at nfbtx.org > > > >> On Oct 12, 2019, at 20:12, Mariya Vasileva via NABS-L < > nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > >> > >>  > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> Hi, has anyone on this list been self employed? If so, what is it like > and is there anyone doing this in Atlanta? I am asking because seeking > regular employment with my handful work experience is damn near impossible. > Thanks. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NABS-L mailing list > >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hstaley%40nfbtx.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mkvnfb94%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mendezgabriel2000%40gmail.com > From cape.amanda at gmail.com Sun Oct 13 18:03:11 2019 From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (Amanda Cape) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 14:03:11 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Self employment inquiry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04964295-2176-4C9D-ACDE-D86A4E41CBC7@gmail.com> What do you do Gabriel? Amanda > On Oct 13, 2019, at 1:29 PM, Gabriel Mendez-Frances via NABS-L wrote: > > Hey Mariya, > > I've been self-employed for over a year now and I can tell you some of the > pros and cons I've experienced. > > PROS > - You can set your own schedule and work when you want > - You have the freedom to work wherever you want > - You can set your own prices based on what you think your work is worth. > - As long as you have a phone, a computer, and an internet connection you > won't need anything else. > > CONS > - Your tax situation gets a bit more complicated than with a W2. Business > tax deductions, tax credit criteria, and having to account for business > expenses can be a hassle. > - You will likely earn less than you expect at first since you have to > build your brand first. > - You will have to find clients and deal with unexpected circumstances like > them not paying you or disappearing on you without a trace. > > I think the best thing about freelancing/self-employment is that you don't > have to worry about transportation to and from work. It definitely isn't > for everyone, but it can serve as a good source of alternative income if > you're dedicated to it. > > > -- > > Sincerely, > > Gabriel Mendez-Frances > > UAH C/O 2023 > > 205.569.9852 > >> On Sun, Oct 13, 2019, 9:54 AM Mariya Vasileva via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Thanks, I really appreciate the advice. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Oct 13, 2019, at 06:49, Harry Staley via NABS-L >> wrote: >>> >>> I have been self employed in the past. The pay may seem awesome but >> there are drawbacks. Your tax situation will get much more complicated and >> you will need to find and manage your own benefits such as health >> insurance, life insurance, etc. that being said if you are passionate about >> your craft, are competent, and can network the sky is the limit as an >> entrepreneur. >>> >>> There are two job markets the one where you apply through the normal HR >> channels and the job market made up of connections and relationships. >>> >>> Harry Staley >>> (330) 718-1876 >>> hstaley at nfbtx.org >>> >>>> On Oct 12, 2019, at 20:12, Mariya Vasileva via NABS-L < >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>  >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> Hi, has anyone on this list been self employed? If so, what is it like >> and is there anyone doing this in Atlanta? I am asking because seeking >> regular employment with my handful work experience is damn near impossible. >> Thanks. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hstaley%40nfbtx.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mkvnfb94%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mendezgabriel2000%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com From iperrault at hotmail.com Mon Oct 14 21:37:33 2019 From: iperrault at hotmail.com (Ian Perrault) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 21:37:33 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Enhanced Google Maps Navigation Message-ID: Hi, I heard that Google Maps, when using walking directions, gives more voice guidance. How is it? Does it work if my phone is locked? Is it as good as Nearby Explorer's guidance? This will be good, until IOS 13.2 comes out when Nearby Explorer works again. Does the google maps guidance also announce points of interest? Can the app run in the background, or does google maps have to be in focus? Ian From blindinsider1 at gmail.com Tue Oct 15 00:14:53 2019 From: blindinsider1 at gmail.com (Seyoon Choi) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 19:14:53 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Enhanced Google Maps Navigation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3176C89D-E40F-4DC9-B278-C3EBAA43C070@gmail.com> > Hey Ian, > > Yes, I've tested this feature and appears to work even with screen locked. It lacks the feature such as announcing 'nearby points of interests, but am very impressed by its accuracy and Google's ability to pull this off. Also disappointed to let you know that the paid version of Nearby Explore is pulled from the App Store and APH has decided to discontinue in favor of free Nearby Explore online... If you're disappointed, I understand. Many of us spent $79 for this app, myself included and seeing it gone without much notice is rather frustrating. Regards Seyoon > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 14, 2019, at 4:38 PM, Ian Perrault via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi, > I heard that Google Maps, when using walking directions, gives more voice guidance. How is it? Does it work if my phone is locked? Is it as good as Nearby Explorer's guidance? This will be good, until IOS 13.2 comes out when Nearby Explorer works again. Does the google maps guidance also announce points of interest? Can the app run in the background, or does google maps have to be in focus? > Ian > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindinsider1%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From andrehill6188 at gmail.com Tue Oct 15 22:26:02 2019 From: andrehill6188 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=C3=A9_Hill?=) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 18:26:02 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] REMINDER: Legislative Advocacy Committee Call Sunday, October 20, at 8 PM ET Message-ID: Hello Everyone, The Legislative Advocacy Committee is having our monthly conference call on Sunday, October 20, at 8:00 pm eastern. The call-in number is 712-770-5197, and the access code is 265669. Our committee continues to engage in more places throughout the country, and we are always looking for new venues to make a difference. We are actively engaging in the process of adding cosponsors to the NFB top priority bills, and we need your help! On this month's call, we will be featuring panelists answering the question, "if the Access Technology Affordability Act were passed today, what would you buy?" If you have any questions, feel free to reach out!! Signed, André André E. Hill Co-Chair Legislative Committee National Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind From jameyanne at gmail.com Wed Oct 16 00:15:12 2019 From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 20:15:12 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Enhanced Google Maps Navigation In-Reply-To: <3176C89D-E40F-4DC9-B278-C3EBAA43C070@gmail.com> References: <3176C89D-E40F-4DC9-B278-C3EBAA43C070@gmail.com> Message-ID: <007d01d583b6$c768ac30$563a0490$@gmail.com> You're kidding! I just spent $79 for paid nearby explorer last month! I wouldn't have done that if I'd known it was going to be pulled. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Seyoon Choi via NABS-L Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 8:15 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Seyoon Choi Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Enhanced Google Maps Navigation > Hey Ian, > > Yes, I've tested this feature and appears to work even with screen locked. It lacks the feature such as announcing 'nearby points of interests, but am very impressed by its accuracy and Google's ability to pull this off. Also disappointed to let you know that the paid version of Nearby Explore is pulled from the App Store and APH has decided to discontinue in favor of free Nearby Explore online... If you're disappointed, I understand. Many of us spent $79 for this app, myself included and seeing it gone without much notice is rather frustrating. Regards Seyoon > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 14, 2019, at 4:38 PM, Ian Perrault via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi, > I heard that Google Maps, when using walking directions, gives more voice guidance. How is it? Does it work if my phone is locked? Is it as good as Nearby Explorer's guidance? This will be good, until IOS 13.2 comes out when Nearby Explorer works again. Does the google maps guidance also announce points of interest? Can the app run in the background, or does google maps have to be in focus? > Ian > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindinsider1%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com From iperrault at hotmail.com Wed Oct 16 00:18:46 2019 From: iperrault at hotmail.com (Ian Perrault) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 00:18:46 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Enhanced Google Maps Navigation In-Reply-To: <007d01d583b6$c768ac30$563a0490$@gmail.com> References: <007d01d583b6$c768ac30$563a0490$@gmail.com> Message-ID: No worries. Leave it on your phone, and it will work again once iOS 13.2 is released. Sent from my iPhone sorry for typos! > On Oct 15, 2019, at 8:16 PM, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: > > You're kidding! I just spent $79 for paid nearby explorer last month! I wouldn't have done that if I'd known it was going to be pulled. > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Seyoon Choi via NABS-L > Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 8:15 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Seyoon Choi > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Enhanced Google Maps Navigation > >> Hey Ian, >> >> Yes, I've tested this feature and appears to work even with screen locked. It lacks the feature such as announcing 'nearby points of interests, but am very impressed by its accuracy and Google's ability to pull this off. Also disappointed to let you know that the paid version of Nearby Explore is pulled from the App Store and APH has decided to discontinue in favor of free Nearby Explore online... If you're disappointed, I understand. Many of us spent $79 for this app, myself included and seeing it gone without much notice is rather frustrating. > > Regards > Seyoon >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 14, 2019, at 4:38 PM, Ian Perrault via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hi, >> I heard that Google Maps, when using walking directions, gives more voice guidance. How is it? Does it work if my phone is locked? Is it as good as Nearby Explorer's guidance? This will be good, until IOS 13.2 comes out when Nearby Explorer works again. Does the google maps guidance also announce points of interest? Can the app run in the background, or does google maps have to be in focus? >> Ian >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindinsider1%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/iperrault%40hotmail.com From blindinsider1 at gmail.com Wed Oct 16 00:18:47 2019 From: blindinsider1 at gmail.com (Seyoon Choi) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 19:18:47 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Enhanced Google Maps Navigation In-Reply-To: <007d01d583b6$c768ac30$563a0490$@gmail.com> References: <3176C89D-E40F-4DC9-B278-C3EBAA43C070@gmail.com> <007d01d583b6$c768ac30$563a0490$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <37ECE7CF-ACB6-4BD1-8AC8-2E786A02D785@gmail.com> Yes Jamie, frustrating indeed. The app description for the paid version of Nearby was updated to mention this discontinuation announcement. There goes my $79 down the drain… Seyoon > On Oct 15, 2019, at 7:15 PM, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: > > You're kidding! I just spent $79 for paid nearby explorer last month! I wouldn't have done that if I'd known it was going to be pulled. > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Seyoon Choi via NABS-L > Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 8:15 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Seyoon Choi > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Enhanced Google Maps Navigation > >> Hey Ian, >> >> Yes, I've tested this feature and appears to work even with screen locked. It lacks the feature such as announcing 'nearby points of interests, but am very impressed by its accuracy and Google's ability to pull this off. Also disappointed to let you know that the paid version of Nearby Explore is pulled from the App Store and APH has decided to discontinue in favor of free Nearby Explore online... If you're disappointed, I understand. Many of us spent $79 for this app, myself included and seeing it gone without much notice is rather frustrating. > > Regards > Seyoon >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 14, 2019, at 4:38 PM, Ian Perrault via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hi, >> I heard that Google Maps, when using walking directions, gives more voice guidance. How is it? Does it work if my phone is locked? Is it as good as Nearby Explorer's guidance? This will be good, until IOS 13.2 comes out when Nearby Explorer works again. Does the google maps guidance also announce points of interest? Can the app run in the background, or does google maps have to be in focus? >> Ian >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindinsider1%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindinsider1%40gmail.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Wed Oct 16 00:34:13 2019 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 20:34:13 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Informational interviewing Message-ID: <0B30EC02-11FD-42BA-83B5-764F0F20B10D@icloud.com> Hi all, Sorry if you’re seeing this more than once, but I’m trying to reach as many people as I can. As many of you know, this is my first semester of college. I’ve always been pretty set on what I want to do for my career, but now I’m starting to want to explore other options. I won’t go into detail about the whole revelation I’ve been having, but would love to connect with anyone who can share their insights. can anyone recommend someone who is working or who majored in the fields of Social work, Political science, Early Childhood and Elementary Education, or teaching blind students? i’m sorry this is such a broad listI just have so many interest and I’m trying to figure out the best path for myself. if you or someone you know would be interested in participating in aninformational interview, could you please reach out to me outside of the group? We can do either over the phone or via email, and it shouldn’t take more than 30 minutes. Thank you for your time And help throughout my time on this list. Sincerely, Mikayla Gephart From blindinsider1 at gmail.com Wed Oct 16 00:55:24 2019 From: blindinsider1 at gmail.com (Seyoon Choi) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 19:55:24 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Enhanced Google Maps Navigation In-Reply-To: References: <007d01d583b6$c768ac30$563a0490$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <16985F38-C0BD-40CD-A1E4-942B70B65317@gmail.com> True, but my argument comes down to why keep it if APH aren’t going to support it or update the app at all. Especially GPS apps, since it’s necessary to keep the map data up to date to make sure that we don’t end up somewhere that no longer exists. Perhaps keeping it around for a year or so might be worth an investment. Seyoon > On Oct 15, 2019, at 7:18 PM, Ian Perrault via NABS-L wrote: > > No worries. Leave it on your phone, and it will work again once iOS 13.2 is released. > > Sent from my iPhone sorry for typos! > >> On Oct 15, 2019, at 8:16 PM, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L > wrote: >> >> You're kidding! I just spent $79 for paid nearby explorer last month! I wouldn't have done that if I'd known it was going to be pulled. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Seyoon Choi via NABS-L >> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 8:15 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: Seyoon Choi >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Enhanced Google Maps Navigation >> >>> Hey Ian, >>> >>> Yes, I've tested this feature and appears to work even with screen locked. It lacks the feature such as announcing 'nearby points of interests, but am very impressed by its accuracy and Google's ability to pull this off. Also disappointed to let you know that the paid version of Nearby Explore is pulled from the App Store and APH has decided to discontinue in favor of free Nearby Explore online... If you're disappointed, I understand. Many of us spent $79 for this app, myself included and seeing it gone without much notice is rather frustrating. >> >> Regards >> Seyoon >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 14, 2019, at 4:38 PM, Ian Perrault via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> I heard that Google Maps, when using walking directions, gives more voice guidance. How is it? Does it work if my phone is locked? Is it as good as Nearby Explorer's guidance? This will be good, until IOS 13.2 comes out when Nearby Explorer works again. Does the google maps guidance also announce points of interest? Can the app run in the background, or does google maps have to be in focus? >>> Ian >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindinsider1%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com >> >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> https://www.avg.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/iperrault%40hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindinsider1%40gmail.com From dandrews920 at comcast.net Wed Oct 16 01:59:26 2019 From: dandrews920 at comcast.net (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 20:59:26 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Enhanced Google Maps Navigation In-Reply-To: <37ECE7CF-ACB6-4BD1-8AC8-2E786A02D785@gmail.com> References: <3176C89D-E40F-4DC9-B278-C3EBAA43C070@gmail.com> <007d01d583b6$c768ac30$563a0490$@gmail.com> <37ECE7CF-ACB6-4BD1-8AC8-2E786A02D785@gmail.com> Message-ID: Unless you bought the app very recently, your money is not down the drain. That is, you got use of the program for some time, and development costs money. Nothing is forever! Dave At 07:18 PM 10/15/2019, you wrote: >Yes Jamie, frustrating indeed. The app >description for the paid version of Nearby was >updated to mention this discontinuation >announcement. There goes my $79 down the drain >Seyoon > On Oct 15, 2019, at 7:15 PM, Jameyanne >Fuuller via NABS-L >wrote: > > You're kidding! I just spent $79 for >paid nearby explorer last month! I wouldn't have >done that if I'd known it was going to be >pulled. > > -----Original Message----- > From: >NABS-L On Behalf Of >Seyoon Choi via NABS-L > Sent: Monday, October >14, 2019 8:15 PM > To: National Association of >Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: Seyoon Choi > > Subject: Re: >[NABS-L] Enhanced Google Maps Navigation > >> >Hey Ian, >> >> Yes, I've tested this feature and >appears to work even with screen locked. It >lacks the feature such as announcing 'nearby >points of interests, but am very impressed by >its accuracy and Google's ability to pull this >off. Also disappointed to let you know that the >paid version of Nearby Explore is pulled from >the App Store and APH has decided to discontinue >in favor of free Nearby Explore online... If >you're disappointed, I understand. Many of us >spent $79 for this app, myself included and >seeing it gone without much notice is rather >frustrating. > > Regards > Seyoon >> >> Sent >from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 14, 2019, at 4:38 >PM, Ian Perrault via NABS-L >wrote: >> >> Hi, >> I heard that Google Maps, >when using walking directions, gives more voice >guidance. How is it? Does it work if my phone is >locked? Is it as good as Nearby Explorer's >guidance? This will be good, until IOS 13.2 >comes out when Nearby Explorer works again. Does >the google maps guidance also announce points of >interest? Can the app run in the background, or >does google maps have to be in focus? >> Ian >> From mendezgabriel2000 at gmail.com Wed Oct 16 02:21:12 2019 From: mendezgabriel2000 at gmail.com (Gabriel Mendez-Frances) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 21:21:12 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Self employment inquiry In-Reply-To: <04964295-2176-4C9D-ACDE-D86A4E41CBC7@gmail.com> References: <04964295-2176-4C9D-ACDE-D86A4E41CBC7@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sorry for the late reply, I do freelancing as an accessible web developer, a software tester, an English/Spanish translator, and a voice actor. Most of my clients I find through the Upwork platform, but it's best when you find clients on your own accord since you don't have to deal with losing 20% of your income to fees. I think having connections is crucial to freelance work as well. Say you have your own crafts business. You'll want to sell to your friends, who will refer you to their friends, who will refer you to their friends, and so on. The same applies to almost any type of freelance work really. On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 1:04 PM Amanda Cape via NABS-L wrote: > What do you do Gabriel? > > Amanda > > > On Oct 13, 2019, at 1:29 PM, Gabriel Mendez-Frances via NABS-L < > nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > > > Hey Mariya, > > > > I've been self-employed for over a year now and I can tell you some of > the > > pros and cons I've experienced. > > > > PROS > > - You can set your own schedule and work when you want > > - You have the freedom to work wherever you want > > - You can set your own prices based on what you think your work is worth. > > - As long as you have a phone, a computer, and an internet connection you > > won't need anything else. > > > > CONS > > - Your tax situation gets a bit more complicated than with a W2. Business > > tax deductions, tax credit criteria, and having to account for business > > expenses can be a hassle. > > - You will likely earn less than you expect at first since you have to > > build your brand first. > > - You will have to find clients and deal with unexpected circumstances > like > > them not paying you or disappearing on you without a trace. > > > > I think the best thing about freelancing/self-employment is that you > don't > > have to worry about transportation to and from work. It definitely isn't > > for everyone, but it can serve as a good source of alternative income if > > you're dedicated to it. > > > > > > -- > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Gabriel Mendez-Frances > > > > UAH C/O 2023 > > > > 205.569.9852 > > > >> On Sun, Oct 13, 2019, 9:54 AM Mariya Vasileva via NABS-L < > nabs-l at nfbnet.org> > >> wrote: > >> > >> Thanks, I really appreciate the advice. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Oct 13, 2019, at 06:49, Harry Staley via NABS-L > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> I have been self employed in the past. The pay may seem awesome but > >> there are drawbacks. Your tax situation will get much more complicated > and > >> you will need to find and manage your own benefits such as health > >> insurance, life insurance, etc. that being said if you are passionate > about > >> your craft, are competent, and can network the sky is the limit as an > >> entrepreneur. > >>> > >>> There are two job markets the one where you apply through the normal HR > >> channels and the job market made up of connections and relationships. > >>> > >>> Harry Staley > >>> (330) 718-1876 > >>> hstaley at nfbtx.org > >>> > >>>> On Oct 12, 2019, at 20:12, Mariya Vasileva via NABS-L < > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>  > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> Hi, has anyone on this list been self employed? If so, what is it like > >> and is there anyone doing this in Atlanta? I am asking because seeking > >> regular employment with my handful work experience is damn near > impossible. > >> Thanks. > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> NABS-L mailing list > >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> NABS-L: > >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hstaley%40nfbtx.org > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> NABS-L mailing list > >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> NABS-L: > >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mkvnfb94%40gmail.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NABS-L mailing list > >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> NABS-L: > >> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mendezgabriel2000%40gmail.com > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mendezgabriel2000%40gmail.com > -- Sincerely, Gabriel Mendez-Frances UAH C/O 2023 205.569.9852 From 1008jmd at gmail.com Wed Oct 16 03:13:02 2019 From: 1008jmd at gmail.com (John Dowling, jr.) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 23:13:02 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Other options besides college Message-ID: Hey Yall, So, I’m still a junior in High School, and I just don’t think college is right for me. I want to persue my career in music, and I’m still gonna do that, I’m just trying to think about any other jobs on the side. Anyone have an advice for a struggling musician? thanks, John. Check out my first ever single: Do Dogs Go to Heaven. https://song.link/i/1471016111 From goosie1011 at gmail.com Wed Oct 16 04:36:04 2019 From: goosie1011 at gmail.com (Garrett Kearns) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 00:36:04 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Other options besides college In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As a fellow musician I wouldn't rely on it as your sole mode of income. Is college not for you because you think this is a better option? I would at least get your associate's. On 10/15/19, John Dowling, jr. via NABS-L wrote: > Hey Yall, > So, I’m still a junior in High School, and I just don’t think college is > right for me. > I want to persue my career in music, and I’m still gonna do that, I’m just > trying to think about any other jobs on the side. > Anyone have an advice for a struggling musician? > thanks, > John. > > Check out my first ever single: Do Dogs Go to Heaven. > https://song.link/i/1471016111 > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/goosie1011%40gmail.com > From eschlenker at cox.net Wed Oct 16 12:32:48 2019 From: eschlenker at cox.net (Emily Schlenker) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 07:32:48 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Other options besides college In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45933346-192F-4199-88C7-85B6D86217D5@cox.net> Hi there. This is most likely not a good idea, and those of us who have struggled for years to get through college in order to be more employable can attest to this fact. On the other hand, there’s nothing to say that you cannot go to some type of trade program or technical program in order to get a skill that will help you to supplement your income while you work to make it in music. It may be that since music comes easily to you, going to college or technical school might appear to be difficult, but this is something that everyone goes through. The brain must be challenged if you are to learn to do new things. Also, the vast majority of musicians who now make a living with music worked a lot of interesting jobs when they were trying to make it, and as someone who is blind, you need more advantages like education and training in order to get one of these jobs. You probably cannot just walk in to a pizza joint and start making pizza, unfortunately. It is sad that things are this way, but it is a reality. Good luck, and do not give up on either your music or education or technical training. Emily Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 15, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Garrett Kearns via NABS-L wrote: > > As a fellow musician I wouldn't rely on it as your sole mode of > income. Is college not for you because you think this is a better > option? I would at least get your associate's. > >> On 10/15/19, John Dowling, jr. via NABS-L wrote: >> Hey Yall, >> So, I’m still a junior in High School, and I just don’t think college is >> right for me. >> I want to persue my career in music, and I’m still gonna do that, I’m just >> trying to think about any other jobs on the side. >> Anyone have an advice for a struggling musician? >> thanks, >> John. >> >> Check out my first ever single: Do Dogs Go to Heaven. >> https://song.link/i/1471016111 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/goosie1011%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/eschlenker%40cox.net From ninam0814 at gmail.com Wed Oct 16 13:06:37 2019 From: ninam0814 at gmail.com (Nina Marranca) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 09:06:37 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Informational interviewing In-Reply-To: <0B30EC02-11FD-42BA-83B5-764F0F20B10D@icloud.com> References: <0B30EC02-11FD-42BA-83B5-764F0F20B10D@icloud.com> Message-ID: <23B4CCBF-95BB-4614-8EC9-20AF031647E3@gmail.com> Good for you for exploring so many options. __ I personally went from being an English major to someone who dual majors in psychology and criminal justice, so changing interests is definitely the norm, especially in the beginning of your degree. I'd recommend also posting in the National Association of Blind Students Facebook group. You may receive more responses there. Good luck! Best, nina Nina Marranca Moderator | National Association of Blind Students Mailing List Co-chair | Communications Committee Ninam0814 at gmail.com On 10/15/19, 20:38, "NABS-L on behalf of Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L" wrote: Hi all, Sorry if you’re seeing this more than once, but I’m trying to reach as many people as I can. As many of you know, this is my first semester of college. I’ve always been pretty set on what I want to do for my career, but now I’m starting to want to explore other options. I won’t go into detail about the whole revelation I’ve been having, but would love to connect with anyone who can share their insights. can anyone recommend someone who is working or who majored in the fields of Social work, Political science, Early Childhood and Elementary Education, or teaching blind students? i’m sorry this is such a broad listI just have so many interest and I’m trying to figure out the best path for myself. if you or someone you know would be interested in participating in aninformational interview, could you please reach out to me outside of the group? We can do either over the phone or via email, and it shouldn’t take more than 30 minutes. Thank you for your time And help throughout my time on this list. Sincerely, Mikayla Gephart _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ninam0814%40gmail.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Wed Oct 16 13:15:53 2019 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 09:15:53 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Other options besides college Message-ID: <5da71810.1c69fb81.4110d.cdc6@mx.google.com> Hi John thanks for your message. I would advise to consider whether or not you have the necessary and critical blindness skills that are needed to succed in the working world. On the job, you need to be able to make your own coffee if you drink that, get no and from work, cook, clean, do your own laundry, get to and from work in a timely manner, and manage your own finances. If you have not had an opportunity to learn these skills, I would consider attending a residential training facility where you can live on your own and work on these skillsets. On Oct 15, 2019 11:13 PM, "John Dowling, jr. via NABS-L" wrote: > > Hey Yall, > So, I’m still a junior in High School, and I just don’t think college is right for me. > I want to persue my career   in music, and I’m still gonna do that, I’m just trying to think about any other jobs on the side. > Anyone have an advice for a struggling musician? > thanks, > John. > > Check out my first ever single: Do Dogs Go to Heaven. > https://song.link/i/1471016111 > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com From keribcu at gmail.com Wed Oct 16 13:17:02 2019 From: keribcu at gmail.com (Gmail) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 09:17:02 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Other options besides college In-Reply-To: <45933346-192F-4199-88C7-85B6D86217D5@cox.net> References: <45933346-192F-4199-88C7-85B6D86217D5@cox.net> Message-ID: <419668B4-FBC4-41F1-9772-3882E2BB4BE7@gmail.com> Good morning, I highly suggest you seriously consider college. There are many different programs out there to fit people of different styles. I am currently working on my masters now. You could go to technical or trade school as well. You should definitely do something and get a degree or certification in something. It is really hard to get respected even with a degree so you could imagine how it is as a blind person without. Many people want to do music and unless if you are extraordinary Lee talented you won’t make it as a musician. This is the hard but sad truth. Keri Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 16, 2019, at 8:32 AM, Emily Schlenker via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi there. This is most likely not a good idea, and those of us who have struggled for years to get through college in order to be more employable can attest to this fact. On the other hand, there’s nothing to say that you cannot go to some type of trade program or technical program in order to get a skill that will help you to supplement your income while you work to make it in music. It may be that since music comes easily to you, going to college or technical school might appear to be difficult, but this is something that everyone goes through. The brain must be challenged if you are to learn to do new things. Also, the vast majority of musicians who now make a living with music worked a lot of interesting jobs when they were trying to make it, and as someone who is blind, you need more advantages like education and training in order to get one of these jobs. You probably cannot just walk in to a pizza joint and start making pizza, unfortunately. It is sad that things are this way, but it is a reality. > Good luck, and do not give up on either your music or education or technical training. > Emily > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 15, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Garrett Kearns via NABS-L wrote: >> >> As a fellow musician I wouldn't rely on it as your sole mode of >> income. Is college not for you because you think this is a better >> option? I would at least get your associate's. >> >>> On 10/15/19, John Dowling, jr. via NABS-L wrote: >>> Hey Yall, >>> So, I’m still a junior in High School, and I just don’t think college is >>> right for me. >>> I want to persue my career in music, and I’m still gonna do that, I’m just >>> trying to think about any other jobs on the side. >>> Anyone have an advice for a struggling musician? >>> thanks, >>> John. >>> >>> Check out my first ever single: Do Dogs Go to Heaven. >>> https://song.link/i/1471016111 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/goosie1011%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/eschlenker%40cox.net > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/keribcu%40gmail.com From kaybaycar at gmail.com Wed Oct 16 13:37:56 2019 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 09:37:56 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Other options besides college In-Reply-To: <419668B4-FBC4-41F1-9772-3882E2BB4BE7@gmail.com> References: <45933346-192F-4199-88C7-85B6D86217D5@cox.net> <419668B4-FBC4-41F1-9772-3882E2BB4BE7@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi John and all, I studied as a musician, and although I always loved college and academics, I can speak to the music as a career discussion here. Most musicians do need to supplement their income with some other skills. I tutored German, taught voice lessons, worked at our school's adaptive tech office, and eventually worked for a tech company from home. Somehow, accessibility testing became my bread-earning job, and although it wasn't my joy in life, I was grateful it could pay the bills. I would recommend being more intentional about this though than I was. Think about what you like to do and have some skill doing. Do you like to work with people? Do you like mechanical things? Do you like computers? Do you like teaching or working with children? Once you've made a list of things you can consider, begin doing some research into what it will take to do those kinds of jobs. If music is your career, then what other hobbies do you have that you can turn into bread-earners? And here's the thing, from one musician to any other fellow musicians out there. Seek to be a well-rounded musician. It will give you more life experience, allow you to see the world in different ways, thus inspiring your creativity, and you will be able to make more money to feed yourself. Also, if you supplement your life with other assions in addition to music, you will be less likely to burn out. If you think about the types of side careers you are interested in, you will be able to find out if they require college, trade school, or anything else. I will add here that if you are ever interested in teaching music, this is much easier to do with a college degree. You can probably teach music without one, but the degree gives you a lot of weight to throw around in that world as a teacher. Julie On 10/16/19, Gmail via NABS-L wrote: > Good morning, I highly suggest you seriously consider college. There are > many different programs out there to fit people of different styles. I am > currently working on my masters now. You could go to technical or trade > school as well. You should definitely do something and get a degree or > certification in something. It is really hard to get respected even with a > degree so you could imagine how it is as a blind person without. Many people > want to do music and unless if you are extraordinary Lee talented you won’t > make it as a musician. This is the hard but sad truth. > > Keri Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 16, 2019, at 8:32 AM, Emily Schlenker via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Hi there. This is most likely not a good idea, and those of us who have >> struggled for years to get through college in order to be more employable >> can attest to this fact. On the other hand, there’s nothing to say that >> you cannot go to some type of trade program or technical program in order >> to get a skill that will help you to supplement your income while you work >> to make it in music. It may be that since music comes easily to you, going >> to college or technical school might appear to be difficult, but this is >> something that everyone goes through. The brain must be challenged if you >> are to learn to do new things. Also, the vast majority of musicians who >> now make a living with music worked a lot of interesting jobs when they >> were trying to make it, and as someone who is blind, you need more >> advantages like education and training in order to get one of these jobs. >> You probably cannot just walk in to a pizza joint and start making pizza, >> unfortunately. It is sad that things are this way, but it is a reality. >> Good luck, and do not give up on either your music or education or >> technical training. >> Emily >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Oct 15, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Garrett Kearns via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> As a fellow musician I wouldn't rely on it as your sole mode of >>> income. Is college not for you because you think this is a better >>> option? I would at least get your associate's. >>> >>>> On 10/15/19, John Dowling, jr. via NABS-L wrote: >>>> Hey Yall, >>>> So, I’m still a junior in High School, and I just don’t think college is >>>> right for me. >>>> I want to persue my career in music, and I’m still gonna do that, I’m >>>> just >>>> trying to think about any other jobs on the side. >>>> Anyone have an advice for a struggling musician? >>>> thanks, >>>> John. >>>> >>>> Check out my first ever single: Do Dogs Go to Heaven. >>>> https://song.link/i/1471016111 >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/goosie1011%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/eschlenker%40cox.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/keribcu%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie A. McGinnity MM Vocal Performance, 2015; President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division From kmaent1 at gmail.com Wed Oct 16 15:08:05 2019 From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:08:05 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Informational interviewing Message-ID: <5da73261.1c69fb81.d458e.6112@mx.google.com> Hi=20Mikayla,=20not=20quite=20what=20you're=20looking=20for,=20but=20I'm=20= a=20grad=20 student=20in=20philosophy=20specializing=20in=20political=20philosophy.=20= =20 Depending=20on=20what=20part=20of=20political=20science=20you're=20interest= ed=20in,=20 I=20might=20be=20able=20to=20help. Best, Karl =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Mikayla=20Gephart=20via=20NABS-L=20 Hi, I'm totally blind, and I'm the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) specialist at Brookline Bancorp. I'm wondering if you have any ideas, as a blind person, that would help you conduct banking more easily? My goal is to make Brookline Bancorp be the best ADA friendly bank. For example, the banks have talking ATM machines, we've just launched free AIRA, and the iPhone app is now accessible. What other accessibility services would help you in banking? Ian From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Oct 17 19:11:20 2019 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 15:11:20 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Baking Accommodations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <884B3569-F0D2-4E10-8970-6E5E15D06175@gmail.com> Make sure the main computer website is accessible. I’m sure you’ve done that. But I did not see that in your email. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2019, at 3:01 PM, Ian Perrault via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi, > I'm totally blind, and I'm the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) specialist at Brookline Bancorp. I'm wondering if you have any ideas, as a blind person, that would help you conduct banking more easily? My goal is to make Brookline Bancorp be the best ADA friendly bank. For example, the banks have talking ATM machines, we've just launched free AIRA, and the iPhone app is now accessible. What other accessibility services would help you in banking? > Ian > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Oct 17 19:14:26 2019 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 15:14:26 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Baking Accommodations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Make sure if people want they can receive their bank statements in braille. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2019, at 3:01 PM, Ian Perrault via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi, > I'm totally blind, and I'm the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) specialist at Brookline Bancorp. I'm wondering if you have any ideas, as a blind person, that would help you conduct banking more easily? My goal is to make Brookline Bancorp be the best ADA friendly bank. For example, the banks have talking ATM machines, we've just launched free AIRA, and the iPhone app is now accessible. What other accessibility services would help you in banking? > Ian > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Oct 17 19:15:40 2019 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 15:15:40 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Baking Accommodations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And if you’re looking to include other disabilities, try the job accommodations network sign or the Jan site and that will give you some ideas without me having to list every disability on this list. I’m sure that you’re an ADA specialist you’re going to include everyone. That’s a great site for you to start with. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2019, at 3:01 PM, Ian Perrault via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi, > I'm totally blind, and I'm the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) specialist at Brookline Bancorp. I'm wondering if you have any ideas, as a blind person, that would help you conduct banking more easily? My goal is to make Brookline Bancorp be the best ADA friendly bank. For example, the banks have talking ATM machines, we've just launched free AIRA, and the iPhone app is now accessible. What other accessibility services would help you in banking? > Ian > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com From iperrault at hotmail.com Thu Oct 17 19:18:51 2019 From: iperrault at hotmail.com (Ian Perrault) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 19:18:51 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Banking Accommodations Message-ID: Yes, I've conducted ADA web site reviews. Do any of you use brailed credit cards? Receive e-mailed or brailed monthly statements? From iperrault at hotmail.com Thu Oct 17 19:23:35 2019 From: iperrault at hotmail.com (Ian Perrault) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 19:23:35 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Baking Accommodations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Are those mailing lists, or web sites? From hstaley at nfbtx.org Thu Oct 17 19:28:31 2019 From: hstaley at nfbtx.org (Harry Staley) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 14:28:31 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Baking Accommodations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31FF296A-1605-46D7-97DF-2ACD353D6FA9@nfbtx.org> Braille on debt cards is helpful. Harry Staley (330) 718-1876 hstaley at nfbtx.org > On Oct 17, 2019, at 14:24, Ian Perrault via NABS-L wrote: > > Are those mailing lists, or web sites? > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hstaley%40nfbtx.org From m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com Thu Oct 17 23:51:03 2019 From: m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com (Mike Gilmore) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 23:51:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [NABS-L] JAWS and web pages Message-ID: <456272726.3249819.1571356263759@mail.yahoo.com> Hi everyone, Occasionally I encounter the following situation: I'm using a fillable PDF or web form. When there's a box to fill out, I usually have no problem using JAWS. Once in a blue moon, however, I'll come to an edit box that has text in it (or that won't let you enter text) and JAWS says, "Edit unavailable." Does anyone know how to work around this? This is really frustrating when it occurs and it always requires sighted assistance. Thanks. Mike From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Oct 18 13:26:28 2019 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 09:26:28 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Baking Accommodations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <054401d585b7$a6719a70$f354cf50$@gmail.com> Web sites. Just look p Job accommodations network. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ian Perrault via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2019 3:24 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Ian Perrault Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Baking Accommodations Are those mailing lists, or web sites? _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From mausam.mehta.nfb at gmail.com Fri Oct 18 16:47:27 2019 From: mausam.mehta.nfb at gmail.com (Mausam Mehta) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 12:47:27 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Read the October Blog Post Message-ID: What up Napster’s, As we speed through October, we are well into our semesters, and that first round of midterms has come and gone. Where is the time going? Even though the pile of assignments seems endless, we have the perfect idea for a study break! Settle in with a warm blanket and some cookies, and read this month’s blog post! We promise it won’t disappoint! You can find it at the link below, or in the word document attached to this email. http://nabslink.org/content/blog-post-october-2019-see-or-not-see-arielle-silverman Happy reading! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You never know when you'll get a gig, and don't be afraid to play for the hat, many great musicians do. That said, you can even get a street performer's license, and with the right set up I've seen artists selling cd's on the sidewalk. Get a portable amp and the set up looks very professional. There are even busking festivals that you could get involved with. In Toronto the subway musicians are regulated through a audition process and they can make $20 an hour and last year the 1st place winner was given a recording contract to produce a single with Columbia, or one of the bigger studios. You could look into local options for playing as a street performer or subway musician, there may be subtle differences, and check on the by-laws regarding times and amplification devices. Your city hall should be fairly friendly, and the subway or public transit commission should be able to help you out with playing at transit terminals. In front of grocery stores and malls are also a great place. Also, speaking of festivals, in addition to busking festivals there are a lot of music festivals. Literally hundreds to choose from. During festival season if you can do a bit of travel you could be at a different festival every weekend. Based on what I heard you could do well at folk festivals, or country music festivals, but cast a wide net and see where it takes you. Also, if you can manage tours it really helps to boost your music career, people love a travelling musician. There are also a lot of side projects that could fit well. Like doing part time acting, if you get involved with some talent agencies and start looking for work in that area you could find yourself as an extra on some big project, and it could lead to bigger things. Also, having a career in music will help with auditions and getting gigs as an actor. Doing other part time things like the accessibility testing could also help out, but if you keep an open mind then you could make a good career in music. Remember that most musicians will not make the "big time" like having a single on the top 40 or anything like that, but get to know the local music scene and go to some festivals. Get to know some professional musicians playing the small time and get a real sense of what it's like. There are opportunities, but it's not always financially rewarding. Yet if this is what you want to do and you can figure out how to make your ends meet I would say to go for it and not let anyone tell you you can't or shouldn't. All the best, Ben From: Julie McGinnity To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Other options besides college Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi John and all, I studied as a musician, and although I always loved college and academics, I can speak to the music as a career discussion here. Most musicians do need to supplement their income with some other skills. I tutored German, taught voice lessons, worked at our school's adaptive tech office, and eventually worked for a tech company from home. Somehow, accessibility testing became my bread-earning job, and although it wasn't my joy in life, I was grateful it could pay the bills. I would recommend being more intentional about this though than I was. Think about what you like to do and have some skill doing. Do you like to work with people? Do you like mechanical things? Do you like computers? Do you like teaching or working with children? Once you've made a list of things you can consider, begin doing some research into what it will take to do those kinds of jobs. If music is your career, then what other hobbies do you have that you can turn into bread-earners? And here's the thing, from one musician to any other fellow musicians out there. Seek to be a well-rounded musician. It will give you more life experience, allow you to see the world in different ways, thus inspiring your creativity, and you will be able to make more money to feed yourself. Also, if you supplement your life with other assions in addition to music, you will be less likely to burn out. If you think about the types of side careers you are interested in, you will be able to find out if they require college, trade school, or anything else. I will add here that if you are ever interested in teaching music, this is much easier to do with a college degree. You can probably teach music without one, but the degree gives you a lot of weight to throw around in that world as a teacher. Julie On 10/16/19, Gmail via NABS-L wrote: > Good morning, I highly suggest you seriously consider college. There > are many different programs out there to fit people of different > styles. I am currently working on my masters now. You could go to > technical or trade school as well. You should definitely do something > and get a degree or certification in something. It is really hard to > get respected even with a degree so you could imagine how it is as a > blind person without. Many people want to do music and unless if you > are extraordinary Lee talented you won?t make it as a musician. This is the hard but sad truth. > > Keri Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 16, 2019, at 8:32 AM, Emily Schlenker via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Hi there. This is most likely not a good idea, and those of us who >> have struggled for years to get through college in order to be more >> employable can attest to this fact. On the other hand, there?s >> nothing to say that you cannot go to some type of trade program or >> technical program in order to get a skill that will help you to >> supplement your income while you work to make it in music. It may be >> that since music comes easily to you, going to college or technical >> school might appear to be difficult, but this is something that >> everyone goes through. The brain must be challenged if you are to >> learn to do new things. Also, the vast majority of musicians who now >> make a living with music worked a lot of interesting jobs when they >> were trying to make it, and as someone who is blind, you need more advantages like education and training in order to get one of these jobs. >> You probably cannot just walk in to a pizza joint and start making >> pizza, unfortunately. It is sad that things are this way, but it is a reality. >> Good luck, and do not give up on either your music or education or >> technical training. >> Emily >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Oct 15, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Garrett Kearns via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> ?As a fellow musician I wouldn't rely on it as your sole mode of >>> income. Is college not for you because you think this is a better >>> option? I would at least get your associate's. >>> >>>> On 10/15/19, John Dowling, jr. via NABS-L wrote: >>>> Hey Yall, >>>> So, I?m still a junior in High School, and I just don?t think >>>> college is right for me. >>>> I want to persue my career in music, and I?m still gonna do that, I?m >>>> just >>>> trying to think about any other jobs on the side. >>>> Anyone have an advice for a struggling musician? >>>> thanks, >>>> John. >>>> >>>> Check out my first ever single: Do Dogs Go to Heaven. >>>> From dandrews920 at comcast.net Sat Oct 19 21:16:48 2019 From: dandrews920 at comcast.net (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 16:16:48 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Please Share! 2019 Ohio Student Seminar Message-ID: > > >2019 Ohio Student Seminar > > > >Hosted By > >Ohio Association of Blind Students (OABS) > > > >Graphic shows the NFB of Ohio's logo with the words "live > > > > >Come join the Ohio Association of Blind Students at the National >Federation of the Blind of Ohio's 73rd annual state convention. > > > > >When? > > > >Friday, November 1, 2019 - Sunday, November 3, 2019 > > > > >Where? > > > >DoubleTree by Hilton Hotel > >175 Hutchinson Avenue, Columbus, OH 43235 > > > >If you are a blind/visually impaired student in the Ohio area, join >our growing community for the kickoff for the year! Connect with >blind students from around the state, engage in leadership-building >activities, and learn about resources that can facilitate your >success inside and outside of the classroom. Please visit >this link for more information. > > > >Have questions regarding the event? Interested in learning more >about OABS but can't attend convention? Contact Jackson Schwoebel by >phone at (706) 905-1963 or by email at jtschwoebel at gmail.com. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 42e1a8.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 14263 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dandrews920 at comcast.net Sat Oct 19 21:21:58 2019 From: dandrews920 at comcast.net (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 16:21:58 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Baking Accommodations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Is their web site accessible? At 02:00 PM 10/17/2019, you wrote: >Hi, >I'm totally blind, and I'm the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) >specialist at Brookline Bancorp. I'm wondering if you have any >ideas, as a blind person, that would help you conduct banking more >easily? My goal is to make Brookline Bancorp be the best ADA >friendly bank. For example, the banks have talking ATM machines, >we've just launched free AIRA, and the iPhone app is now accessible. >What other accessibility services would help you in banking? >Ian From iperrault at hotmail.com Sat Oct 19 21:30:55 2019 From: iperrault at hotmail.com (Ian Perrault) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 21:30:55 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Baking Accommodations In-Reply-To: <2a168d12-5c1f-463f-b88f-ad022652cd9e@HE1EUR01FT053.eop-EUR01.prod.protection.outlook.com> References: <2a168d12-5c1f-463f-b88f-ad022652cd9e@HE1EUR01FT053.eop-EUR01.prod.protection.outlook.com> Message-ID: Yes, I do ATA reviews every year. Sent from my iPhone sorry for typos! > On Oct 19, 2019, at 5:29 PM, David Andrews via NABS-L wrote: > > Is their web site accessible? > > At 02:00 PM 10/17/2019, you wrote: >> Hi, >> I'm totally blind, and I'm the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) specialist at Brookline Bancorp. I'm wondering if you have any ideas, as a blind person, that would help you conduct banking more easily? My goal is to make Brookline Bancorp be the best ADA friendly bank. For example, the banks have talking ATM machines, we've just launched free AIRA, and the iPhone app is now accessible. What other accessibility services would help you in banking? >> Ian > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/iperrault%40hotmail.com From dandrews920 at comcast.net Sat Oct 19 21:44:42 2019 From: dandrews920 at comcast.net (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 16:44:42 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Baking Accommodations In-Reply-To: References: <2a168d12-5c1f-463f-b88f-ad022652cd9e@HE1EUR01FT053.eop-EUR01.prod.protection.outlook.com> Message-ID: As I am sure you know, the ADA also covers the physical accessibility of public accommodations -- which includes banks. Dave At 04:30 PM 10/19/2019, you wrote: >Yes, I do ATA reviews every year. > >Sent from my iPhone sorry for typos! > > > On Oct 19, 2019, at 5:29 PM, David Andrews > via NABS-L wrote: > > > > Is their web site accessible? > > > > At 02:00 PM 10/17/2019, you wrote: > >> Hi, > >> I'm totally blind, and I'm the Americans > with Disabilities Act (ADA) specialist at > Brookline Bancorp. I'm wondering if you have > any ideas, as a blind person, that would help > you conduct banking more easily? My goal is to > make Brookline Bancorp be the best ADA friendly > bank. For example, the banks have talking ATM > machines, we've just launched free AIRA, and > the iPhone app is now accessible. What other > accessibility services would help you in banking? > >> Ian From PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu Sun Oct 20 06:19:09 2019 From: PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu (Justin Salisbury) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 06:19:09 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] REMINDER: Legislative Advocacy Committee Call Sunday, October 20, at 8 PM ET Message-ID: Aloha NABS members and leaders: The Legislative Advocacy Committee is having our monthly conference call on Sunday, October 20, at 8:00 pm eastern. Dial: 712-770-5197 Access code: 265669 On this month's call, we will be featuring panelists answering the question, "if the Access Technology Affordability Act were passed today, what would you buy?" If you have any questions, please do reach out! Talk soon! Justin Justin M. Hideaki Salisbury he/him/his Board Member | National Association of Blind Students    A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind (808) 797-8606 president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sun Oct 20 16:14:14 2019 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 12:14:14 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Baking Accommodations In-Reply-To: References: <2a168d12-5c1f-463f-b88f-ad022652cd9e@HE1EUR01FT053.eop-EUR01.prod.protection.outlook.com> Message-ID: <020301d58761$6b3c2960$41b47c20$@gmail.com> Yes, the JAN site is accessible -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ian Perrault via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2019 5:31 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Ian Perrault Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Baking Accommodations Yes, I do ATA reviews every year. Sent from my iPhone sorry for typos! > On Oct 19, 2019, at 5:29 PM, David Andrews via NABS-L wrote: > > Is their web site accessible? > > At 02:00 PM 10/17/2019, you wrote: >> Hi, >> I'm totally blind, and I'm the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) specialist at Brookline Bancorp. I'm wondering if you have any ideas, as a blind person, that would help you conduct banking more easily? My goal is to make Brookline Bancorp be the best ADA friendly bank. For example, the banks have talking ATM machines, we've just launched free AIRA, and the iPhone app is now accessible. What other accessibility services would help you in banking? >> Ian > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/iperrault%40hotmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com From rob.parso3389 at gmail.com Sun Oct 20 22:38:26 2019 From: rob.parso3389 at gmail.com (rob.parso3389 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 18:38:26 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Michigan's Got Talent: An Update Message-ID: <004c01d58797$1700d680$45028380$@gmail.com> Howdy NABSters! It's time for your update on the Michigan's Got Talent competition for our NFB of Michigan State Convention, brought to you by the Michigan Association of Blind Students! I know that we are preparing for a weekend full of advocacy, empowerment, and most of all, FUN! With the preregistration period ending, there may be some confusion for some of our members and attendees that may have missed the date, so here are a few updates about the event. * Don't worry if you have missed preregistration for the event. Our board member with the voice, Taylor Arndt, will be at the door running admission into the talent competition. For a slight price increase of $7, we can assure you get a seat at this event and can take part in the fellowship and support of our competitors. * If you have preregistered, that is great news! Be sure to pick up your registration packet at the beginning of convention on Friday, November 8 because inside of it will be a wristband. This wristband is proof that you have paid your $5 preregistration price to attend the competition. Simply show this wristband to Taylor at the door and you are on the fast track to your seat in the room. * We have space for more competitors. There is still a chance for you to sign up and compete at the event. Visit nfbmi.org/convention now and look for the link to the Google Form that is for competitors to sign up. Remember, this is a talent show, so don't think you have to sing to compete. You can get up and read "Mary had a Little Lamb,"and still be eligible to win cash and other prizes. Remember, the offer still stands to have Robert be your backup dancer. I got mad skills! * We have door prizes. Even if you are not planning to compete, attending the event itself puts you in the running for winning a fabulous MiABS door prize, provided by the generosity of Iota Phi Theta, Inc., a proud fraternity that your student division Vice President happens to be a brother of. These are prizes that can't be won if you are not in the room, so be there or be square! * We are providing appetizers! Thanks to our excellent white cane sponsors for this year's convention, this talent competition will host a cash bar, where you can enjoy the cocktail of your choice. However, we are also offering delicious appetizers, including chicken quesadillas and more, so get there early! All this information and more can be provided over the phone or through some other means any time prior to the event. Simply contact your closest MiABS officer for more information or help with signing up to compete. We look forward to partying and connecting with all of you in Grand Rapids in a few weeks. Best Robert E. Parsons Jr. President, Kalamazoo Chapter Vice President, Michigan Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind of Michigan Phone: 804 801 7674 "Without struggle, there is no progress." -Frederick Douglas From amyralbin at gmail.com Sun Oct 20 23:55:04 2019 From: amyralbin at gmail.com (Amy Albin) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 19:55:04 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] REMINDER: Legislative Advocacy Committee Call Sunday, October 20, at 8 PM ET In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Phone just crashed! Be there ASAP! On 10/20/19, Justin Salisbury via NABS-L wrote: > Aloha NABS members and leaders: > > The Legislative Advocacy Committee is having our monthly conference call on > Sunday, October 20, at 8:00 pm eastern. > > Dial: 712-770-5197 > Access code: 265669 > > On this month's call, we will be featuring panelists answering the question, > "if the Access Technology Affordability Act were passed today, what would > you buy?" > > > If you have any questions, please do reach out! > > Talk soon! > > Justin > > > Justin M. Hideaki Salisbury > he/him/his > > Board Member | National Association of Blind Students > A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind > (808) 797-8606 > president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amyralbin%40gmail.com > From ctate2076 at att.net Mon Oct 21 00:03:40 2019 From: ctate2076 at att.net (ctate2076 at att.net) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 20:03:40 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] REMINDER: Legislative Advocacy Committee Call Sunday, October 20, at 8 PM ET In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00ea01d587a2$ff271220$fd753660$@att.net> I am sick. Sorry I can't make it. Camille Tate -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Amy Albin via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2019 7:55 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Amy Albin Subject: Re: [NABS-L] REMINDER: Legislative Advocacy Committee Call Sunday, October 20, at 8 PM ET Phone just crashed! Be there ASAP! On 10/20/19, Justin Salisbury via NABS-L wrote: > Aloha NABS members and leaders: > > The Legislative Advocacy Committee is having our monthly conference > call on Sunday, October 20, at 8:00 pm eastern. > > Dial: 712-770-5197 > Access code: 265669 > > On this month's call, we will be featuring panelists answering the > question, "if the Access Technology Affordability Act were passed > today, what would you buy?" > > > If you have any questions, please do reach out! > > Talk soon! > > Justin > > > Justin M. Hideaki Salisbury > he/him/his > > Board Member | National Association of Blind Students > A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind > (808) 797-8606 > president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amyralbin%40gmail. > com > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ctate2076%40att.net From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Mon Oct 21 00:40:32 2019 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 20:40:32 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Other options besides college In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <031401d587a8$25b6f360$7124da20$@gmail.com> John, there is a book on the Bard Site. The title is "But what if I don't want to go to college." I suggest you read that. Thanks, Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ben Fulton via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2019 1:08 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: Ben Fulton Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Other options besides college Hi John, I think there's a lot you can do without colledge. Getting a degree might be handy, if you wanted to go in for music, but you can get your name out there without it for sure. Making that video is a good step in the right direction. Getting more videos out there will help with promotion. Also check out your local pubs bars restaurants and any artsy venues. You never know when you'll get a gig, and don't be afraid to play for the hat, many great musicians do. That said, you can even get a street performer's license, and with the right set up I've seen artists selling cd's on the sidewalk. Get a portable amp and the set up looks very professional. There are even busking festivals that you could get involved with. In Toronto the subway musicians are regulated through a audition process and they can make $20 an hour and last year the 1st place winner was given a recording contract to produce a single with Columbia, or one of the bigger studios. You could look into local options for playing as a street performer or subway musician, there may be subtle differences, and check on the by-laws regarding times and amplification devices. Your city hall should be fairly friendly, and the subway or public transit commission should be able to help you out with playing at transit terminals. In front of grocery stores and malls are also a great place. Also, speaking of festivals, in addition to busking festivals there are a lot of music festivals. Literally hundreds to choose from. During festival season if you can do a bit of travel you could be at a different festival every weekend. Based on what I heard you could do well at folk festivals, or country music festivals, but cast a wide net and see where it takes you. Also, if you can manage tours it really helps to boost your music career, people love a travelling musician. There are also a lot of side projects that could fit well. Like doing part time acting, if you get involved with some talent agencies and start looking for work in that area you could find yourself as an extra on some big project, and it could lead to bigger things. Also, having a career in music will help with auditions and getting gigs as an actor. Doing other part time things like the accessibility testing could also help out, but if you keep an open mind then you could make a good career in music. Remember that most musicians will not make the "big time" like having a single on the top 40 or anything like that, but get to know the local music scene and go to some festivals. Get to know some professional musicians playing the small time and get a real sense of what it's like. There are opportunities, but it's not always financially rewarding. Yet if this is what you want to do and you can figure out how to make your ends meet I would say to go for it and not let anyone tell you you can't or shouldn't. All the best, Ben From: Julie McGinnity To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Other options besides college Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi John and all, I studied as a musician, and although I always loved college and academics, I can speak to the music as a career discussion here. Most musicians do need to supplement their income with some other skills. I tutored German, taught voice lessons, worked at our school's adaptive tech office, and eventually worked for a tech company from home. Somehow, accessibility testing became my bread-earning job, and although it wasn't my joy in life, I was grateful it could pay the bills. I would recommend being more intentional about this though than I was. Think about what you like to do and have some skill doing. Do you like to work with people? Do you like mechanical things? Do you like computers? Do you like teaching or working with children? Once you've made a list of things you can consider, begin doing some research into what it will take to do those kinds of jobs. If music is your career, then what other hobbies do you have that you can turn into bread-earners? And here's the thing, from one musician to any other fellow musicians out there. Seek to be a well-rounded musician. It will give you more life experience, allow you to see the world in different ways, thus inspiring your creativity, and you will be able to make more money to feed yourself. Also, if you supplement your life with other assions in addition to music, you will be less likely to burn out. If you think about the types of side careers you are interested in, you will be able to find out if they require college, trade school, or anything else. I will add here that if you are ever interested in teaching music, this is much easier to do with a college degree. You can probably teach music without one, but the degree gives you a lot of weight to throw around in that world as a teacher. Julie On 10/16/19, Gmail via NABS-L wrote: > Good morning, I highly suggest you seriously consider college. There > are many different programs out there to fit people of different > styles. I am currently working on my masters now. You could go to > technical or trade school as well. You should definitely do something > and get a degree or certification in something. It is really hard to > get respected even with a degree so you could imagine how it is as a > blind person without. Many people want to do music and unless if you > are extraordinary Lee talented you won?t make it as a musician. This is the hard but sad truth. > > Keri Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 16, 2019, at 8:32 AM, Emily Schlenker via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Hi there. This is most likely not a good idea, and those of us who >> have struggled for years to get through college in order to be more >> employable can attest to this fact. On the other hand, there?s >> nothing to say that you cannot go to some type of trade program or >> technical program in order to get a skill that will help you to >> supplement your income while you work to make it in music. It may be >> that since music comes easily to you, going to college or technical >> school might appear to be difficult, but this is something that >> everyone goes through. The brain must be challenged if you are to >> learn to do new things. Also, the vast majority of musicians who now >> make a living with music worked a lot of interesting jobs when they >> were trying to make it, and as someone who is blind, you need more advantages like education and training in order to get one of these jobs. >> You probably cannot just walk in to a pizza joint and start making >> pizza, unfortunately. It is sad that things are this way, but it is a reality. >> Good luck, and do not give up on either your music or education or >> technical training. >> Emily >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Oct 15, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Garrett Kearns via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> ?As a fellow musician I wouldn't rely on it as your sole mode of >>> income. Is college not for you because you think this is a better >>> option? I would at least get your associate's. >>> >>>> On 10/15/19, John Dowling, jr. via NABS-L wrote: >>>> Hey Yall, >>>> So, I?m still a junior in High School, and I just don?t think >>>> college is right for me. >>>> I want to persue my career in music, and I?m still gonna do that, I?m >>>> just >>>> trying to think about any other jobs on the side. >>>> Anyone have an advice for a struggling musician? >>>> thanks, >>>> John. >>>> >>>> Check out my first ever single: Do Dogs Go to Heaven. >>>> _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From johnawright98 at gmail.com Mon Oct 21 00:48:04 2019 From: johnawright98 at gmail.com (Johna Wright) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 20:48:04 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] October Membership Call NEXT SUNDAY at 8pm EST Message-ID: Hiya! Do you want to learn how to get more involved on campus? Are you a leader at your school? Do you have questions about plugging into different clubs/societies? If you answered yes to any of these questions, make sure you join in on our October Membership Call, because we will be covering everything you need to know about campus life and involvement! We will hear from some awesome panelists, have the opportunity to ask questions, and share any tips of our own. You definitely won’t want to miss this fun and informative call. Anyone is welcome to join and participate. The call will take place on Sunday, October 27th, at 8pm Eastern. To join, call (712) 770-5197,,265669# If you have any questions prior to the call, please feel free to reach out. Talk to you soon! Cheers, Johna Wright Board Member | National Association of Blind Students A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind johnawright98 at gmail.com (706) 962-2613 www.nabslink.org From LBlake at nfb.org Mon Oct 21 21:21:30 2019 From: LBlake at nfb.org (Blake, Lou Ann) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 21:21:30 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Blind college students needed for research study on perceptions of STEM online learning Message-ID: The below research participant solicitation is being provided for informational purposes only. The National Federation of the Blind has no involvement in this research, but we believe that it may contribute to our research mission. This study aims to delineate the central phenomenon of experiences of college students with low vision and blindness who are either pursuing or have pursued STEM related degrees in accredited post-secondary institutions in the United States. The focus is on exploration of the perceptions of post-secondary students with blindness regarding the quality and accessibility of online STEM curriculum and the instructional environments (i.e., either synchronous or asynchronous). Your participation will give us valuable firsthand information from your own perspective and greatly contribute to the integrity of this study. This study involves one 60-minute informal online interview that will take place at a mutually convenient time. With your consent, interviews will be audio-recorded. We are simply trying to capture your thoughts and perspectives on being a STEM student in online course settings. Your responses to the questions will be kept confidential. All personal identifiers will be erased during the analysis and write up of findings. Once the recording has been transcribed, the audio-recording will be destroyed. There is no compensation for participating in this study. However, your participation will be a valuable addition to our research and findings could lead to greater public understanding of STEM students with low vision or blindness in post-secondary institutions and inform faculty to optimize curriculum and instruction to benefit all students. You will have the right to end your participation in the study at any time, for any reason. If you choose to withdraw, all the information you have provided will be destroyed. The ethics protocol for this project was reviewed by New Mexico State University Office of Research Integrity and Compliance, which provided clearance to carry out the research. (Clearance expires on: 09/15/2020.) If you would like to participate in this research project, or have any questions, please contact: Dr. Sathiyaprakash Ramdoss at sramdoss at ashland.edu or 419-207-4938. Or Dongmei Liu at dmliu6 at nmsu.edu Sincerely, Dr. Sathiyaprakash Ramdoss Ms. Dongmei Liu Lou Ann Blake, J.D. 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Providing a safer and more useful place for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. From armando.l.vias at gmail.com Thu Oct 24 11:37:07 2019 From: armando.l.vias at gmail.com (Armando Vias) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 07:37:07 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] =?utf-8?q?National_Federation_of_the_Blind_Warns_Member?= =?utf-8?q?s_ABout_Phishing_Scams_using_The_Organization=E2=80=99s_Name_-_?= =?utf-8?q?The_Blind_Advocate?= Message-ID: https://theblindadvocate.com/news/nfb-warns-members-of-phishing-scam/ National Federation of the Blind Warns Members ABout Phishing Scams using The Organization’s Name The Blind Advocate October 22, 2019 Updated: 9:39 PM, Tuesday, October 22, 2019 United States: The National Federation of the Blind, (NFB), is warning its members to be on a look out for a phishing scam that is using the organization’s name. In an email sent to the NFBNET-Members-List, members of the National Federation of the Blind have been receiving reports that third-parties are trying to sell attendee lists for their state conventions and other federation events. Below, you will find the email that was sent to the NFBNET-Members-List. You can also click here to view the message, (opens in new tab/window). From: David Andrews via NFBNet-Members-List Date: Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 9:02 PM Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Pfishing Scams Using the Name of the National Federation of the Blind To: Dear Colleagues, Members of the National Federation of the Blind have been receiving reports of third parties trying to sell attendee lists for our state conventions and other Federation events. The National Federation of the Blind and its affiliates never sell member, attendee, or sponsor/exhibitor data in any way. These messages are not legitimate and should not be responded to or interacted with in any way. You may also receive email messages from a third-party about helping with booking flights, hotels, rental cars, and other items related to state conventions or other Federation events. In most, if not all, cases these email messages are not legitimate either. Any third-party reaching out about these solicitations should be confirmed with your state affiliate president or Federation event coordinator before you have any interaction with these third-parties. The issues described above are becoming more of an occurrence with all conventions and trade shows in recent years. Please be vigilant when reviewing any emails like these. If you do receive emails like these claiming to be from the National Federation of the Blind or one of our affiliates or leaders, please forward them to email issues at nfb.org. This mailbox will be used for reporting purposes only, no support. With this we can monitor what types of illegitimate emails are falsely using the Federation’s name and targeting our membership. Sincerely, Mark A. Riccobono Sent From My iPhone Armando L. Vias Student The Blind Advocate Blog Website: https://theblindadvocate.com Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/theblindadvocate Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/theblndadvocate Subscribe to The Blind Advocate YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGLcBRMO6R9uqXoPUANRJDg “Getting advocacy results for the blind.” From redwing731 at gmail.com Thu Oct 24 20:16:10 2019 From: redwing731 at gmail.com (Kendra Schaber) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 13:16:10 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Google Slides and screen reader accessability? Message-ID: Hi all! I’m doing a big group research project that envolves google slides. I’m suposed to be getting a sample work for my project. I’m using a Dell PC laptop with the latest Windows 10, 32 bit, Office home, NVDA, JAWS, and the Google sweet. Does anyone know if Google Slides is screen reader accessible? If I were to edit or read a slide off of Google Slides, would I be able to do this independently or would I require sighted assistance? "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear", Author Unknown. Thank you for reading this email! Also, please note that I have eighth grade spelling. I'm well known for spelling mistakes. Ironicly, writing is one of my gifts. Blessed Be! Kendra Schaber, Student of Chemeketa Community College, member of 350.ORG Salem, Member of the National Federation of the Blind of Oregon, Capitol Chapter. Writing on my Polaris Braille Sense. Using both Gmail and Outlook. Go Detroit, Red Wings! Go Pittsburgh, Penguins! Go Portland, Winterhawks! Go Baltimore, Oriels! Go Baltimore, Ravens! Go Oregon State Beavers, baseball and football teams! From martinezana770 at gmail.com Thu Oct 24 22:55:53 2019 From: martinezana770 at gmail.com (Ana Martinez) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 17:55:53 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] geno grams. Message-ID: <5872E83A-486D-4AE3-A596-D2A4070E6AC8@gmail.com> hi all, so for my social work class I need to make a genogram. does anyone know how to make one non-visually? Sent from my iPhone From ahbeeorton at yahoo.com Fri Oct 25 01:22:14 2019 From: ahbeeorton at yahoo.com (Ahbee Orton) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 20:22:14 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] geno grams. In-Reply-To: <5872E83A-486D-4AE3-A596-D2A4070E6AC8@gmail.com> References: <5872E83A-486D-4AE3-A596-D2A4070E6AC8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <90585DDB-D1B2-4C9A-982A-2CE8322F2633@yahoo.com> > Hi Ana, > > I made one when I was in grade school and my mom remembers. She says: "Yes. Full cell and letter l, g and b for male/female, with/without the trait." She also said that Mrs. Krystal Guillory has made some too. You might check with her. > > Blessings and HTH, > Ahbee > > “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.” > 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV > > On Oct 24, 2019, at 5:57 PM, Ana Martinez via NABS-L wrote: > > hi all, so for my social work class I need to make a genogram. does anyone know how to make one non-visually? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ahbeeorton%40yahoo.com > > > > > > > > From knownoflove at gmail.com Fri Oct 25 09:57:03 2019 From: knownoflove at gmail.com (Miranda) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 05:57:03 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] geno grams. In-Reply-To: <5872E83A-486D-4AE3-A596-D2A4070E6AC8@gmail.com> References: <5872E83A-486D-4AE3-A596-D2A4070E6AC8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <337631E0-1E79-4F00-BE71-600C9789DFE5@gmail.com> I have done these as a narrative, and if working with a client I would suggest finding a printable genogram so that they can draw it and describe the narrative to you for your documentation. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 24, 2019, at 6:57 PM, Ana Martinez via NABS-L wrote: > > hi all, so for my social work class I need to make a genogram. does anyone know how to make one non-visually? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/knownoflove%40gmail.com From ninam0814 at gmail.com Fri Oct 25 13:26:42 2019 From: ninam0814 at gmail.com (Nina Marranca) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 09:26:42 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Accommodations in biology and neuroscience courses Message-ID: <7522588A-BAF5-48B5-88E9-2E0FE1CF69B3@gmail.com> Good morning everyone!                 I’ve recently been thinking about concentrating my studies on not only general psychology but on cognitive neuroscience, as well. However, I’m super concerned about the biology and other science courses I will need to take. I have taken college level biology before and done well, but these classes would be of a much larger size and a very demanding nature.                 What accommodations have you used to make these courses accessible? How do you navigate biology labs and other science labs that are very visual? Have you found that you are able to keep up with the labs and course work?                 I know that many of these questions are specific to the individual, but I have very little knowledge of how people have done this in the past. Any help would be really appreciated. 😊 Thanks nina Nina Marranca Moderator | National Association of Blind Students Mailing List Co-chair | Communications Committee Ninam0814 at gmail.com From ljmaher03 at outlook.com Fri Oct 25 14:25:29 2019 From: ljmaher03 at outlook.com (Louis Maher) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 14:25:29 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Accommodations in biology and neuroscience courses In-Reply-To: <7522588A-BAF5-48B5-88E9-2E0FE1CF69B3@gmail.com> References: <7522588A-BAF5-48B5-88E9-2E0FE1CF69B3@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Nina, I have attached the minutes from the 2018 and 2019 Science Division / NABS joint phone conferences on Science Technology Engineering and Math (STEM). These documents should give you some ideas of how to proceed. The 2020 STEM conference call-in number will be the NABS conference line 712-770-5197, Participant Access Code: 265669. The call will occur at 8 PM EST through 9 PM EST on Sunday, February 23, 2020. Good luck. Regards Louis Maher Phone: 713-444-7838 E-mail ljmaher03 at outlook.com -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Nina Marranca via NABS-L Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 8:27 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: Nina Marranca Subject: [NABS-L] Accommodations in biology and neuroscience courses Good morning everyone!                 I’ve recently been thinking about concentrating my studies on not only general psychology but on cognitive neuroscience, as well. However, I’m super concerned about the biology and other science courses I will need to take. I have taken college level biology before and done well, but these classes would be of a much larger size and a very demanding nature.                 What accommodations have you used to make these courses accessible? How do you navigate biology labs and other science labs that are very visual? Have you found that you are able to keep up with the labs and course work?                 I know that many of these questions are specific to the individual, but I have very little knowledge of how people have done this in the past. Any help would be really appreciated. 😊 Thanks nina Nina Marranca Moderator | National Association of Blind Students Mailing List Co-chair | Communications Committee Ninam0814 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C0ef72796173148013bf208d7594f2304%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637076068725948770&sdata=iVs7gUri2g97K%2BELNdpl7ipJjkfccsm1ZydvGvlek48%3D&reserved=0 To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fnabs-l_nfbnet.org%2Fljmaher03%2540outlook.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C0ef72796173148013bf208d7594f2304%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637076068725948770&sdata=2HKec%2FsDywH0oU9mgqX6%2ByUo6%2F7c2Oo4ErM5srJv644%3D&reserved=0 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: Science Division and NABS Conference Minutes 2019-02-24 (2).docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 36209 bytes Desc: Science Division and NABS Conference Minutes 2019-02-24 (2).docx URL: From ninam0814 at gmail.com Sat Oct 26 17:01:46 2019 From: ninam0814 at gmail.com (Nina Marranca) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 13:01:46 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Reminder-- October Membership Call Sunday October 27 at 8 PM EST Message-ID: Hey, students!                 As the weather gets colder and the study sessions get longer, we invite you to set aside an hour and join us for our October membership call happening tomorrow October 27 at 8 PM EST. Do you have questions about joining clubs or societies? Are you a campus leader with helpful tips for other blind students? Do you want to get more involved on campus but don’t know where to start?                 We will be covering all of these questions and more at tomorrow’s call. Hear from awesome panelists, share your own tips, and ask questions about everything related to campus life!                 To join, call: (712) 770-5197,,265669#                 We can’t wait to talk with you! Best, Nina Marranca Moderator | National Association of Blind Students Mailing List Co-chair | Communications Committee Ninam0814 at gmail.com From abbydnh at icloud.com Mon Oct 28 00:10:55 2019 From: abbydnh at icloud.com (Abby Duffy) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 20:10:55 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Disclosure of Blindness Message-ID: <06409FCD-A104-4436-ABA5-1D4954AE38CE@icloud.com> Hello, I’m applying for a job at a after school program at one of the elementary schools in my area, and I was wondering how or if I should disclose my blindness. I know the can will make it obvious, but I just wondered if any of you guys have experience of if I should disclose my disability or what I should do. From leadershipjba at gmail.com Mon Oct 28 00:20:23 2019 From: leadershipjba at gmail.com (JASON ALAMILLO) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 17:20:23 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Disclosure of Blindness In-Reply-To: <06409FCD-A104-4436-ABA5-1D4954AE38CE@icloud.com> References: <06409FCD-A104-4436-ABA5-1D4954AE38CE@icloud.com> Message-ID: <6C48C8CC-E3D3-4303-B749-161D012E7DE3@gmail.com> Hi Abby, I would not personally disclose my blindness in the application or the interview. Just speaking based on things I’ve done and some advise I’ve gotten, I would just let them think what they do. When you fill out the application, just fill out what you’re good at, and why you’d like to work for them. The same in the interview, just tell them why they should hire you, no matter if they can see that you’re blind or not. Let them see how skilled you are and that they would lose out by not letting you work for them, and then you can talk about your disability when you get the job, for if you need to make any accommodations or something like that. I hope this helps. > On Oct 27, 2019, at 5:10 PM, Abby Duffy via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello, I’m applying for a job at a after school program at one of the elementary schools in my area, and I was wondering how or if I should disclose my blindness. I know the can will make it obvious, but I just wondered if any of you guys have experience of if I should disclose my disability or what I should do. > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leadershipjba%40gmail.com From rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com Mon Oct 28 03:24:28 2019 From: rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com (andrew edgcumbe) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 23:24:28 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] vollunteering and small towns verses big towns or cities Message-ID: Hi My name is Andrew from Ontario Canada. I just wanted to ask few things. I live in a small town and that is a real struggle mostly because I am having a hard time finding vollunteer type stuff. I been having trouble finding vollunteer work and stuff like that ways to vollunteer that is. I have either been told i need somebody with me or they just plane don't communicate with me about things fully. Anyway that has been a real struggle for me I will say I am not the most skilled or experienced blind person. I am not sure how you all have gone about doing vollunteer type stuff but what troubles have you run into if any like what were you able to do if you have vollunteered or are vollunteering what are you doing or have you done? I have been having trouble finding the help I need again i live in a small town. I did go to a employmentsupport agency and they basically said they don't have resources to help me. she says i need computer and iphone training I do realize allot of things or jobs or whatever needs the technology but as far as vollunteering goes i feel there is still ways to vollunteer without having to be an exburt on technology or to good at it far as vollunteering goes. I don't know if any of you would have pointers or not when it comes to finding ways to vollunteering or not. The other thing is this in your experiences are bigger cities better for blind people or does it really make any differences big or small when it comes to vollunter opportunities or just opportunities for things over all. transportation wise it isn't to bad as there is a van that does come to my door but i am looking for some pointers if there is any on vollunteering mostly. like as far as big or small towns or cities do you feel there is more opportunity in bigger center for things like vollunteering or whatever? From ninam0814 at gmail.com Mon Oct 28 12:40:09 2019 From: ninam0814 at gmail.com (Nina Marranca) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 08:40:09 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] vollunteering and small towns verses big towns or cities In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1797727A-120D-4209-997A-53E1E0B3A471@gmail.com> Good morning Andrew! I have done a variety of volunteer tasks, from working spaghetti dinners, to sorting donated clothes, to helping with church functions, to pushing into educational settings to speak about blindness and service dogs. I've also worked with the elderly; often, reading or talking to elderly patients does a lot to boost their mood and quality of care. I think it just comes down to being flexible. Much like finding a job, don't under estimate the connections those around you may offer. Communicate that you are looking for volunteer opportunities to everyone you know. Search online also, and once you have found one, do not be afraid to advocate for yourself and everything that you can do. You may also want to consider creating your own community service project, such as recruiting local businesses and hosting a hat, glove, and coat drive before Winter gets under way. I hope this helps! Best, nina Nina Marranca Moderator | National Association of Blind Students Mailing List Co-chair | Communications Committee Ninam0814 at gmail.com On 10/27/19, 23:25, "NABS-L on behalf of andrew edgcumbe via NABS-L" wrote: Hi My name is Andrew from Ontario Canada. I just wanted to ask few things. I live in a small town and that is a real struggle mostly because I am having a hard time finding vollunteer type stuff. I been having trouble finding vollunteer work and stuff like that ways to vollunteer that is. I have either been told i need somebody with me or they just plane don't communicate with me about things fully. Anyway that has been a real struggle for me I will say I am not the most skilled or experienced blind person. I am not sure how you all have gone about doing vollunteer type stuff but what troubles have you run into if any like what were you able to do if you have vollunteered or are vollunteering what are you doing or have you done? I have been having trouble finding the help I need again i live in a small town. I did go to a employmentsupport agency and they basically said they don't have resources to help me. she says i need computer and iphone training I do realize allot of things or jobs or whatever needs the technology but as far as vollunteering goes i feel there is still ways to vollunteer without having to be an exburt on technology or to good at it far as vollunteering goes. I don't know if any of you would have pointers or not when it comes to finding ways to vollunteering or not. The other thing is this in your experiences are bigger cities better for blind people or does it really make any differences big or small when it comes to vollunter opportunities or just opportunities for things over all. transportation wise it isn't to bad as there is a van that does come to my door but i am looking for some pointers if there is any on vollunteering mostly. like as far as big or small towns or cities do you feel there is more opportunity in bigger center for things like vollunteering or whatever? _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ninam0814%40gmail.com From ninam0814 at gmail.com Mon Oct 28 12:44:45 2019 From: ninam0814 at gmail.com (Nina Marranca) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 08:44:45 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] Disclosure of Blindness In-Reply-To: <06409FCD-A104-4436-ABA5-1D4954AE38CE@icloud.com> References: <06409FCD-A104-4436-ABA5-1D4954AE38CE@icloud.com> Message-ID: Hi, Abby! I don't think there is just one right answer to this question. Personally, I would not indicate your blindness on the application. Submit your resume and other materials, just as anyone else would. However, depending on the degree of sight that you have, it may not be feasible to avoid the topic at an interview. I would disclose this knowledge at that time if necessary, especially if you feel that you will need accommodations. Furthermore, your employer may have questions about how you will complete the job as a blind person. These questions aren't exactly the most fair, but it may happen. Sometimes, it's better to get that out of the way ahead of time, but like I said before, it's about finding which approach works best for you. __ Best of luck! nina Nina Marranca Moderator | National Association of Blind Students Mailing List Co-chair | Communications Committee Ninam0814 at gmail.com On 10/27/19, 20:12, "NABS-L on behalf of Abby Duffy via NABS-L" wrote: Hello, I’m applying for a job at a after school program at one of the elementary schools in my area, and I was wondering how or if I should disclose my blindness. I know the can will make it obvious, but I just wondered if any of you guys have experience of if I should disclose my disability or what I should do. _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ninam0814%40gmail.com From rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com Mon Oct 28 14:50:52 2019 From: rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com (andrew edgcumbe) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 10:50:52 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] vollunteering and small towns verses big towns or cities In-Reply-To: <1797727A-120D-4209-997A-53E1E0B3A471@gmail.com> References: <1797727A-120D-4209-997A-53E1E0B3A471@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi thanks what i have been doing is that I first am not really the most experienced blind person when it comes to saying the right things to get in somewhere or advocating that is my problem. I have tried for example to go in some places to do friendly visiting but sometimes i am either told i need somebody with me which is hard to find or they fail to communicate with me commun have those type of communications one time with a place i too mom went with me and they would say something then this is over at a next town over from me but other wise there was no communication with me. about anything. and when i asked for clarification paperwork there was no responce in a sence. it is a small town where I am andi have not had much luck with getting into places. On 10/28/19, Nina Marranca via NABS-L wrote: > Good morning Andrew! > I have done a variety of volunteer tasks, from working spaghetti dinners, to > sorting donated clothes, to helping with church functions, to pushing into > educational settings to speak about blindness and service dogs. I've also > worked with the elderly; often, reading or talking to elderly patients does > a lot to boost their mood and quality of care. > I think it just comes down to being flexible. Much like finding a job, > don't under estimate the connections those around you may offer. Communicate > that you are looking for volunteer opportunities to everyone you know. > Search online also, and once you have found one, do not be afraid to > advocate for yourself and everything that you can do. > You may also want to consider creating your own community service project, > such as recruiting local businesses and hosting a hat, glove, and coat drive > before Winter gets under way. > I hope this helps! > Best, > nina > > Nina Marranca > Moderator | National Association of Blind Students Mailing List > Co-chair | Communications Committee > Ninam0814 at gmail.com > > On 10/27/19, 23:25, "NABS-L on behalf of andrew edgcumbe via NABS-L" > wrote: > > Hi My name is Andrew from Ontario Canada. I just wanted to ask few > things. I live in a small town and that is a real struggle mostly > because I am having a hard time finding vollunteer type stuff. I been > having trouble finding vollunteer work and stuff like that ways to > vollunteer that is. I have either been told i need somebody with me > or they just plane don't communicate with me about things fully. > Anyway that has been a real struggle for me I will say I am not the > most skilled or experienced blind person. I am not sure how you all > have gone about doing vollunteer type stuff but what troubles have you > run into if any like what were you able to do if you have vollunteered > or are vollunteering what are you doing or have you done? I have been > having trouble finding the help I need again i live in a small town. > I did go to a employmentsupport agency and they basically said they > don't have resources to help me. she says i need computer and iphone > training I do realize allot of things or jobs or whatever needs the > technology but as far as vollunteering goes i feel there is still ways > to vollunteer without having to be an exburt on technology or to good > at it far as vollunteering goes. I don't know if any of you would > have pointers or not when it comes to finding ways to vollunteering or > not. The other thing is this in your experiences are bigger cities > better for blind people or does it really make any differences big or > small when it comes to vollunter opportunities or just opportunities > for things over all. transportation wise it isn't to bad as there is > a van that does come to my door but i am looking for some pointers if > there is any on vollunteering mostly. like as far as big or small > towns or cities do you feel there is more opportunity in bigger center > for things like vollunteering or whatever? > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ninam0814%40gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rollercoasterman86%40gmail.com > From carlymih at comcast.net Mon Oct 28 12:40:14 2019 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 05:40:14 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] vollunteering and small towns verses big towns or cities In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good morning, Andrew, Good morning, Andrew, Unfortunately for us, every thing's turning out to be tech/ffine motor-oriented, posing still an additional barrier to access. I do use a SmartPhone but fortunately, it has a capability of its functionality being triggered with voice. since my own facility with fine motor is ineffectual at best, I am a little reliant on my roommate's whom is also total but possesses facility with a fine motor demension of occupational work.08:24 PM 10/27/2019, andrew edgcumbe via NABS-L wrote: >Hi My name is Andrew from Ontario Canada. I just wanted to ask few >things. I live in a small town and that is a real struggle mostly >because I am having a hard time finding vollunteer type stuff. I been >having trouble finding vollunteer work and stuff like that ways to >vollunteer that is. I have either been told i need somebody with me >or they just plane don't communicate with me about things fully. >Anyway that has been a real struggle for me I will say I am not the >most skilled or experienced blind person. I am not sure how you all >have gone about doing vollunteer type stuff but what troubles have you >run into if any like what were you able to do if you have vollunteered >or are vollunteering what are you doing or have you done? I have been >having trouble finding the help I need again i live in a small town. >I did go to a employmentsupport agency and they basically said they >don't have resources to help me. she says i need computer and iphone >training I do realize allot of things or jobs or whatever needs the >technology but as far as vollunteering goes i feel there is still ways >to vollunteer without having to be an exburt on technology or to good >at it far as vollunteering goes. I don't know if any of you would >have pointers or not when it comes to finding ways to vollunteering or >not. The other thing is this in your experiences are bigger cities >better for blind people or does it really make any differences big or >small when it comes to vollunter opportunities or just opportunities >for things over all. transportation wise it isn't to bad as there is >a van that does come to my door but i am looking for some pointers if >there is any on vollunteering mostly. like as far as big or small >towns or cities do you feel there is more opportunity in bigger center >for things like vollunteering or whatever? > >_______________________________________________ >NABS-L mailing list >NABS-L at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From carlymih at comcast.net Mon Oct 28 16:48:48 2019 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 09:48:48 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Employment Accessibility Obstacle In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good morning, Kiana, One other thing you might try is to address potential liabilities during garbage time, that is, before anybody's keeping track, While it's still safely off the record, before they're watching how it is you go about doing your job. Don't worry so much about using their record system . That'll take care of itself, particularly if the software was designed in house. Who knows, having a sighted reader enter record information into their special platform could in fact, deepen an understanding of the material, not to mention spark discussions with your social work colleagues on how best to work the case. Car >situation. I’ve been looking for a job for the >past 4 months, and I may finally be at a point >where I’m going to get an offer. It’s an >incredible position in a city I’m in love >with. I went in for the interview last >Wednesday, and the supervisor contacted me on >Friday to ask some follow-up questions. They >mainly consisted of whether I felt safe with the >clients. I told her I did. She’s also >concerned about accessibility when it comes to >me using their electronic health record to input >client information. I’ll be a clinical social >worker, and this is a therapist position, so >using the EHR is going to be a big part of it. >Their record isn’t mainstream. They developed >it within the agency, so the supervisor has been >trying to contact their IT people to see if they >know anything about the usability with screen >reading software. She called me again today and >told me that she’s still trying to find >answers, and she doesn’t want to extend an >official offer until she knows something. I >absolutely do not want this to fall through due >to that unknown factor. I’ve tried contacting >my counselor at Division of Services for the >Blind. I feel like I’m on shaky ground and >would rather have guidance and someone in my >corner before proceeding. Unfortunately, my >counselor has been on leave since the end of >May, and the person who is covering my case has >not answered my calls or returned voicemails. >This is a very time sensitive situation, and >it’s something I want to be on top of. The >accessibility may be an obstacle, but I’ve >been able to problem-solve in the past to get >around it. Has anyone else been in this >situation? Any suggestions, advice, or guidance >would be greatly appreciated, especially from >people who may be in a health-related field and >have encountered electronic records. The one at >my graduate internship was inaccessible, but I >was able to do assessments and notes via word >document. The secretary would upload the >documents. I could present this, but that would >be putting additional work on another employee >and it’s not ideal, especially since this is >an actual employment position. I’m determined >to make it this last step and land this job! >Warm regards, Kiana Harlan >_______________________________________________ >NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for NABS-L: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From sandragayer7 at gmail.com Mon Oct 28 18:04:23 2019 From: sandragayer7 at gmail.com (Sandra Gayer) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 18:04:23 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Disclosure of Blindness In-Reply-To: References: <06409FCD-A104-4436-ABA5-1D4954AE38CE@icloud.com> Message-ID: Hello, I always disclose and I use my disability as an advantage, explaining why I am the best person for the job. It's quite difficult to separate my skills from my disability anyway. I could hardly talk about being able to read and write in 11 Braille codes, without hinting why I know so much about Braille, for example. My CV has a lot of jobs like this; Braille Music Teacher, Braille product consultancy, I have worked and continue to work for the RNIB and other disability focused organisations. If you were reading my CV, you would probably ask yourself why there was such a high volume of Braille interest, if I could see. If your disability is not a hidden disability, your application and interview are your opportunities to sell yourself as a package. If you wait to be, as it were, found out, you place yourself in an awkward position and in a bad light. Why do that when you can frame it in a positive way? Very best wishes, Sandra. On 10/28/19, Nina Marranca via NABS-L wrote: > Hi, Abby! > I don't think there is just one right answer to this question. Personally, > I would not indicate your blindness on the application. Submit your resume > and other materials, just as anyone else would. However, depending on the > degree of sight that you have, it may not be feasible to avoid the topic at > an interview. I would disclose this knowledge at that time if necessary, > especially if you feel that you will need accommodations. Furthermore, your > employer may have questions about how you will complete the job as a blind > person. These questions aren't exactly the most fair, but it may happen. > Sometimes, it's better to get that out of the way ahead of time, but like I > said before, it's about finding which approach works best for you. __ > Best of luck! > nina > > Nina Marranca > Moderator | National Association of Blind Students Mailing List > Co-chair | Communications Committee > Ninam0814 at gmail.com > > On 10/27/19, 20:12, "NABS-L on behalf of Abby Duffy via NABS-L" > wrote: > > Hello, I’m applying for a job at a after school program at one of the > elementary schools in my area, and I was wondering how or if I should > disclose my blindness. I know the can will make it obvious, but I just > wondered if any of you guys have experience of if I should disclose my > disability or what I should do. > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ninam0814%40gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gmail.com > -- Sandra Gayer DipABRSM, LRSM. Soprano Singer www.sandragayer.com Broadcast Presenter www.rnibconnectradio.org.uk/music-box.html Actor www.visablepeople.com Voiceover Artist www.archangelvoices.co.uk/content/sandra-gayer From ninam0814 at gmail.com Wed Oct 30 12:07:51 2019 From: ninam0814 at gmail.com (Nina Marranca) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 08:07:51 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] NABS Now Podcast Planning Call happening Wednesday November 6th at 9 PM EST Message-ID: <92C1ABAC-D2DF-454F-9064-6494612E2600@gmail.com> Hey, students!                 We invite you to take a break from your busy week and join us for the next NABS Now Podcast planning call, happening Wednesday November 6th at 9 PM EST on the NABS Line. Interest for this project has been growing, and we could not be more excited! Whether you like to plan, record, or edit, we would love to have your talent on our team. No experience is necessary. Come with any ideas and enthusiasm!                 To join, call: (712) 770-5197,,265669#             Please don’t hesitate to reach out with any questions before the call! Have a great week. Best, Nina Nina Marranca Moderator | National Association of Blind Students Mailing List Co-chair | Communications Committee Ninam0814 at gmail.com From johnawright98 at gmail.com Thu Oct 31 01:09:11 2019 From: johnawright98 at gmail.com (Johna Wright) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 21:09:11 -0400 Subject: [NABS-L] October NABS Notes! Message-ID: Hello all members, new and old! How are you all doing on this fine Wednesday evening? We hope you’re doing well and recovering from midterms. Sit back, relax, grab a warm beverage (Pumpkin Spice Latte, anyone?) and check out the October NABS Notes! There are some really fun things you don’t want to miss, plus we have all our Committee updates included so you can get plugged in! Use the following link to access the NABS Notes on our website: http://nabslink.org/content/nabs-notes-october-2019 Also, I’m attaching the NABS Notes in a Word document for your convenience. Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns. Happy reading! Johna Wright Board Member | National Association of Blind Students A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind johnawright98 at gmail.com (706) 962-2613 www.nabslink.org From queenlindsay1 at gmail.com Thu Oct 31 02:51:13 2019 From: queenlindsay1 at gmail.com (Lindsay Adair) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 21:51:13 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] NABS-L Digest, Vol 156, Issue 26 Message-ID: <5dba4c24.1c69fb81.d8564.0257@mx.google.com> Dear NABS,   My name is Lindsay Adair, and in chemistry class, on my braille note touch, I am unable to write nucliar equations for Alpha, Betta and Gamma reactions. I am able to write chemical equations in Nemmith mode, but in order for me to write the nucliar, equations, I need to be able to write the chemical symbol for one element, an arrow, and two more chemical equations with a plus sign between them. When I try to do so on my touch, however, it does not look right to a sighted person. For now, I have been writing nucliar equwhns on the braille writer. Do any of you have a suggestion of how I can do them on the braille note without issue? If any of you have an idea, will you please email me at queenlindsay1 at gmail.com? Thank you. Best regards, Lindsay On Oct 29, 2019 7:00 AM, nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org wrote: > > Send NABS-L mailing list submissions to > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of NABS-L digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >    1. Re: vollunteering and small towns verses big towns or cities >       (Nina Marranca) >    2. Re: Disclosure of Blindness (Nina Marranca) >    3. Re: vollunteering and small towns verses big towns or cities >       (andrew edgcumbe) >    4. Re: vollunteering and small towns verses big towns or cities >       (Carly Mihalakis) >    5. Re: Employment Accessibility Obstacle (Carly Mihalakis) >    6. Re: Disclosure of Blindness (Sandra Gayer) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 08:40:09 -0400 > From: Nina Marranca > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] vollunteering and small towns verses big towns > or cities > Message-ID: <1797727A-120D-4209-997A-53E1E0B3A471 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Good morning Andrew! > I have done a variety of volunteer tasks, from working spaghetti dinners, to sorting donated clothes, to helping with church functions, to pushing into educational settings to speak about blindness and service dogs. I've also worked with the elderly; often, reading or talking to elderly patients does a lot to boost their mood and quality of care. > I think it just comes down to being flexible. Much like finding a job, don't under estimate the connections those around you may offer. Communicate that you are looking for volunteer opportunities to everyone you know. Search online also, and once you have found one, do not be afraid to advocate for yourself and everything that you can do. > You may also want to consider creating your own community service project, such as recruiting local businesses and hosting a hat, glove, and coat drive before Winter gets under way. > I hope this helps! > Best, > nina > > Nina Marranca > Moderator | National Association of Blind Students Mailing List > Co-chair | Communications Committee > Ninam0814 at gmail.com > > ?On 10/27/19, 23:25, "NABS-L on behalf of andrew edgcumbe via NABS-L" wrote: > >     Hi My name is Andrew from Ontario Canada. I  just wanted to ask few >     things. I live in a small town and  that is a real struggle mostly >     because I am having a hard time finding vollunteer type  stuff. I been >     having trouble finding vollunteer work and stuff like that ways to >     vollunteer that is. I  have either been told i need somebody with me >     or they just plane don't communicate with me about things fully. >     Anyway  that has been a real struggle for me I will say I am not the >     most skilled or experienced blind person.  I am not sure how you all >     have gone about doing vollunteer type stuff but what troubles have you >     run into if any like what were you able to do if you have vollunteered >     or are vollunteering what are you doing or have you done?  I have been >     having trouble finding the help I need again i live in a small town. >     I did go to a employmentsupport agency and they basically said they >     don't have resources to help me.  she says i need computer and iphone >     training I do realize allot of things or jobs or whatever needs the >     technology but as far as vollunteering goes i feel there is still ways >     to vollunteer without having to be an exburt on technology or to good >     at it far as vollunteering goes.  I don't know if any of you would >     have pointers or not when it comes to finding ways to vollunteering or >     not.  The other thing is this in your experiences are bigger cities >     better for blind people or does it really make any differences big or >     small when it comes to vollunter opportunities or just opportunities >     for things over all.  transportation wise it isn't to bad as there is >     a van that does come to my door  but i am looking for some pointers if >     there is any on vollunteering mostly. like as far as big or small >     towns or cities do you feel there is more opportunity in bigger center >     for things like vollunteering or whatever? >     >     _______________________________________________ >     NABS-L mailing list >     NABS-L at nfbnet.org >     http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >     To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >     http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ninam0814%40gmail.com >     > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 08:44:45 -0400 > From: Nina Marranca > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Disclosure of Blindness > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hi, Abby! > I don't think there is just one right answer to this question. Personally, I would not indicate your blindness on the application. Submit your resume and other materials, just as anyone else would. However, depending on the degree of sight that you have, it may not be feasible to avoid the topic at an interview. I would disclose this knowledge at that time if necessary, especially if you feel that you will need accommodations. Furthermore, your employer may have questions about how you will complete the job as a blind person. These questions aren't exactly the most fair, but it may happen. Sometimes, it's better to get that out of the way ahead of time, but like I said before, it's about finding which approach works best for you. __ > Best of luck! > nina > > Nina Marranca > Moderator | National Association of Blind Students Mailing List > Co-chair | Communications Committee > Ninam0814 at gmail.com > > ?On 10/27/19, 20:12, "NABS-L on behalf of Abby Duffy via NABS-L" wrote: > >     Hello, I?m applying for a job at  a after school program at one of the elementary schools in my area, and I was wondering how or if I should disclose my blindness. I know the can will  make it obvious, but I just  wondered  if   any of you guys have experience of if I should disclose my  disability or what I should do. >     >     _______________________________________________ >     NABS-L mailing list >     NABS-L at nfbnet.org >     http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >     To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >     http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ninam0814%40gmail.com >     > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 10:50:52 -0400 > From: andrew edgcumbe > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] vollunteering and small towns verses big towns > or cities > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hi thanks  what i have been doing is that I  first am not really the > most experienced blind person when it comes to saying the right things > to get in somewhere or advocating that is my problem. I  have tried > for example to go in some places to do friendly visiting but > sometimes i am either told i need somebody with me which is hard to > find or  they fail to communicate with me commun have those type of > communications one time with a place i too mom went with me and they > would say something then this is over at a next town over from me but > other wise there was no communication with me. about anything.  and > when i asked for clarification paperwork there was no responce in a > sence.  it is a small town where I am andi have not had much luck with > getting into places. > > On 10/28/19, Nina Marranca via NABS-L wrote: > > Good morning Andrew! > > I have done a variety of volunteer tasks, from working spaghetti dinners, to > > sorting donated clothes, to helping with church functions, to pushing into > > educational settings to speak about blindness and service dogs. I've also > > worked with the elderly; often, reading or talking to elderly patients does > > a lot to boost their mood and quality of care. > > I think it just comes down to being flexible. Much like finding a job, > > don't under estimate the connections those around you may offer. Communicate > > that you are looking for volunteer opportunities to everyone you know. > > Search online also, and once you have found one, do not be afraid to > > advocate for yourself and everything that you can do. > > You may also want to consider creating your own community service project, > > such as recruiting local businesses and hosting a hat, glove, and coat drive > > before Winter gets under way. > > I hope this helps! > > Best, > > nina > > > > Nina Marranca > > Moderator | National Association of Blind Students Mailing List > > Co-chair | Communications Committee > > Ninam0814 at gmail.com > > > > ?On 10/27/19, 23:25, "NABS-L on behalf of andrew edgcumbe via NABS-L" > > wrote: > > > >     Hi My name is Andrew from Ontario Canada. I  just wanted to ask few > >     things. I live in a small town and  that is a real struggle mostly > >     because I am having a hard time finding vollunteer type  stuff. I been > >     having trouble finding vollunteer work and stuff like that ways to > >     vollunteer that is. I  have either been told i need somebody with me > >     or they just plane don't communicate with me about things fully. > >     Anyway  that has been a real struggle for me I will say I am not the > >     most skilled or experienced blind person.  I am not sure how you all > >     have gone about doing vollunteer type stuff but what troubles have you > >     run into if any like what were you able to do if you have vollunteered > >     or are vollunteering what are you doing or have you done?  I have been > >     having trouble finding the help I need again i live in a small town. > >     I did go to a employmentsupport agency and they basically said they > >     don't have resources to help me.  she says i need computer and iphone > >     training I do realize allot of things or jobs or whatever needs the > >     technology but as far as vollunteering goes i feel there is still ways > >     to vollunteer without having to be an exburt on technology or to good > >     at it far as vollunteering goes.  I don't know if any of you would > >     have pointers or not when it comes to finding ways to vollunteering or > >     not.  The other thing is this in your experiences are bigger cities > >     better for blind people or does it really make any differences big or > >     small when it comes to vollunter opportunities or just opportunities > >     for things over all.  transportation wise it isn't to bad as there is > >     a van that does come to my door  but i am looking for some pointers if > >     there is any on vollunteering mostly. like as far as big or small > >     towns or cities do you feel there is more opportunity in bigger center > >     for things like vollunteering or whatever? > > > >     _______________________________________________ > >     NABS-L mailing list > >     NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >     http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >     To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > NABS-L: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ninam0814%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rollercoasterman86%40gmail.com > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 05:40:14 -0700 > From: Carly Mihalakis > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > , nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] vollunteering and small towns verses big towns > or cities > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Good morning, Andrew, > > Good morning, Andrew, > Unfortunately for us, every thing's turning out to be tech/ffine > motor-oriented, posing still an additional barrier to access. I do > use a SmartPhone but fortunately, it has a capability of its > functionality being triggered with voice. since my own facility with > fine motor is ineffectual at best, I am a little reliant on my > roommate's whom is also total but possesses facility with a fine > motor demension  of occupational work.08:24 PM 10/27/2019, andrew > edgcumbe via NABS-L wrote: > >Hi My name is Andrew from Ontario Canada. I  just wanted to ask few > >things. I live in a small town and  that is a real struggle mostly > >because I am having a hard time finding vollunteer type  stuff. I been > >having trouble finding vollunteer work and stuff like that ways to > >vollunteer that is. I  have either been told i need somebody with me > >or they just plane don't communicate with me about things fully. > >Anyway  that has been a real struggle for me I will say I am not the > >most skilled or experienced blind person.  I am not sure how you all > >have gone about doing vollunteer type stuff but what troubles have you > >run into if any like what were you able to do if you have vollunteered > >or are vollunteering what are you doing or have you done?  I have been > >having trouble finding the help I need again i live in a small town. > >I did go to a employmentsupport agency and they basically said they > >don't have resources to help me.  she says i need computer and iphone > >training I do realize allot of things or jobs or whatever needs the > >technology but as far as vollunteering goes i feel there is still ways > >to vollunteer without having to be an exburt on technology or to good > >at it far as vollunteering goes.  I don't know if any of you would > >have pointers or not when it comes to finding ways to vollunteering or > >not.  The other thing is this in your experiences are bigger cities > >better for blind people or does it really make any differences big or > >small when it comes to vollunter opportunities or just opportunities > >for things over all.  transportation wise it isn't to bad as there is > >a van that does come to my door  but i am looking for some pointers if > >there is any on vollunteering mostly. like as far as big or small > >towns or cities do you feel there is more opportunity in bigger center > >for things like vollunteering or whatever? > > > >_______________________________________________ > >NABS-L mailing list > >NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 09:48:48 -0700 > From: Carly Mihalakis > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > , NABS-L at nfbnet.org > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Employment Accessibility Obstacle > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed > > Good morning, Kiana, > > One other thing you might try is to address > potential liabilities during garbage time, that > is, before anybody's keeping track, While it's > still safely off the record, before they're > watching how it is you go about doing your job. > Don't worry so much about using their record > system . That'll take care of itself, > particularly if the software was designed in > house. Who knows, having a sighted reader enter > record information into their special platform > could in fact, deepen an understanding of the > material, not to mention spark discussions with > your social work colleagues on how best to work the case. > Car > >situation. I???ve been looking for a job for the > >past 4 months, and I may finally be at a point > >where I???m going to get an offer. It???s an > >incredible position in a city I???m in love > >with. I went in for the interview last > >Wednesday, and the supervisor contacted me on > >Friday to ask some follow-up questions. They > >mainly consisted of whether I felt safe with the > >clients. I told her I did. She???s also > >concerned about accessibility when it comes to > >me using their electronic health record to input > >client information. I???ll be a clinical social > >worker, and this is a therapist position, so > >using the EHR is going to be a big part of it. > >Their record isn???t mainstream. They developed > >it within the agency, so the supervisor has been > >trying to contact their IT people to see if they > >know anything about the usability with screen > >reading software. She called me again today and > >told me that she???s still trying to find > >answers, and she doesn???t want to extend an > >official offer until she knows something. I > >absolutely do not want this to fall through due > >to that unknown factor. I???ve tried contacting > >my counselor at Division of Services for the > >Blind. I feel like I???m on shaky ground and > >would rather have guidance and someone in my > >corner before proceeding. Unfortunately, my > >counselor has been on leave since the end of > >May, and the person who is covering my case has > >not answered my calls or returned voicemails. > >This is a very time sensitive situation, and > >it???s something I want to be on top of. The > >accessibility may be an obstacle, but I???ve > >been able to problem-solve in the past to get > >around it. Has anyone else been in this > >situation? Any suggestions, advice, or guidance > >would be greatly appreciated, especially from > >people who may be in a health-related field and > >have encountered electronic records. The one at > >my graduate internship was inaccessible, but I > >was able to do assessments and notes via word > >document. The secretary would upload the > >documents. I could present this, but that would > >be putting additional work on another employee > >and it???s not ideal, especially since this is > >an actual employment position. I???m determined > >to make it this last step and land this job! > >Warm regards, Kiana Harlan > >_______________________________________________ > >NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > >your account info for NABS-L: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 18:04:23 +0000 > From: Sandra Gayer > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Disclosure of Blindness > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hello, > I always disclose and I use my disability as an advantage, explaining > why I am the best person for the job. It's quite difficult to separate > my skills from my disability anyway. I could hardly talk about being > able to read and write in 11 Braille codes, without hinting why I know > so much about Braille, for example. My CV has a lot of jobs like this; > Braille Music Teacher, Braille product consultancy, I have worked and > continue to work for the RNIB and other disability focused > organisations. If you were reading my CV, you would probably ask > yourself why there was such a high volume of Braille interest, if I > could see. If your disability is not a hidden disability, your > application and interview are your opportunities to sell yourself as a > package. If you wait to be, as it were, found out, you place yourself > in an awkward position and in a bad light. Why do that when you can > frame it in a positive way? > > Very best wishes, > Sandra. > > On 10/28/19, Nina Marranca via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi, Abby! > > I don't think there is just one right answer to this question. Personally, > > I would not indicate your blindness on the application. Submit your resume > > and other materials, just as anyone else would. However, depending on the > > degree of sight that you have, it may not be feasible to avoid the topic at > > an interview. I would disclose this knowledge at that time if necessary, > > especially if you feel that you will need accommodations. Furthermore, your > > employer may have questions about how you will complete the job as a blind > > person. These questions aren't exactly the most fair, but it may happen. > > Sometimes, it's better to get that out of the way ahead of time, but like I > > said before, it's about finding which approach works best for you. __ > > Best of luck! > > nina > > > > Nina Marranca > > Moderator | National Association of Blind Students Mailing List > > Co-chair | Communications Committee > > Ninam0814 at gmail.com > > > > ?On 10/27/19, 20:12, "NABS-L on behalf of Abby Duffy via NABS-L" > > wrote: > > > >     Hello, I?m applying for a job at  a after school program at one of the > > elementary schools in my area, and I was wondering how or if I should > > disclose my blindness. I know the can will  make it obvious, but I just > > wondered  if   any of you guys have experience of if I should disclose my > > disability or what I should do. > > > >     _______________________________________________ > >     NABS-L mailing list > >     NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >     http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >     To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > NABS-L: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ninam0814%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gmail.com > > > > > -- > Sandra Gayer DipABRSM, LRSM. > > Soprano Singer > www.sandragayer.com > > Broadcast Presenter > www.rnibconnectradio.org.uk/music-box.html > > Actor > www.visablepeople.com > > Voiceover Artist > www.archangelvoices.co.uk/content/sandra-gayer > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > ------------------------------ > > End of NABS-L Digest, Vol 156, Issue 26 > ***************************************